Originally posted by Penton-Man
You THINK ? You KNOW exactly to the strip of Penton Paper how much that combo will cost and save you for the pair rather than purchasing each one separately. You've been watching for these insects with the super-charged chip as long as I have.
:D
$2,495.00 + 3,495.00 = $5,990.00
Mosquito + Dragonfly = $5,000.00 (Penton Price)

BUT -- anyone who has any experience with Faroudja will realize these prices are not particularly expensive for state-of-the-art products. Once you view material that's been well-processed by a superior scaler/processor it is nearly impossible to take it out of your system. When my Faroudja DVP-2200 got blowed up (go back 5-10 pages to the AC Line Protector discussion) I thought I'd pull my hair out. Given that the Qualia shows every miniscule flaw in source material I believe the difference with the Algolith stack is going to be VERY impressive...

Originally posted by RonB63

150k - new room addition to house this piece of art
11k - wall unit to hold TV and compments (3 little kids who love to grab)
7k - new speakers - you said that the sound is important too
4k - new receiver - same reason as above
2k - you said it is important to have a power cond./voltage regulator
1k - eventual Blu-ray or hybrid - gotta feed the beast the best right?
1k - calibration since the best can be even better! I rounded up for effect
5k - 2 new "bugs" to clean up the video (Thanks Editor! :))

New TV - 13K
Accessories - 181k
VIDEO NIRVANA - PRICELESS!

Originally posted by RonB63
New TV - 13K
Accessories - 181k

THE WAY THIS IS GOING IT WOULD BE CHEAPER FOR ME TO OFFER EVERY PERSON ON THIS THREAD $500 TO STOP POSTING ANY COMMENTS ABOUT OTHER GEAR/ENHANCEMENTS/ADD-ONS...

Then again - this is way too fun (at least until my wife leaves me)! :)
Just remind your wife that the A/V hobby is WAY less expensive (and with fewer lasting side-effects) than crack cocaine, hookers, gambling, or Ferrari addictions...

On second thought, perhaps you should delete the "crack" and "hookers" part...
;)

Originally posted by RonB63
1k - eventual Blu-ray or hybrid - gotta feed the beast the best right?
Then again - this is way too fun (at least until my wife leaves me)! :) [/B]
Wellp, I think you should add another 1K to your estimate for the Blu-ray, the way things are going.

Bonnie,
I'll leave the back door unlocked.:)

RonB63,

You're also a little low on speakers and the receiver(most certainly want to go with separates). Just bump it up by 10K and you should be in the ballpark.

Others,
I would take any manufacturers demo to be slanted toward their own product. Well, what do you expect them to do?? Lets see what Faroudja and others come out with and do our own comparative analysis.

Originally posted by brt3

I contacted Eliab about calibrations on the Left Coast. He has referred me to a good friend of his, Chuck Williams, who is relocating to the San Francisco area in July (heads up, kaduku and 3deye!).

Ray,
Let me know when you're doing yours! :D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
So nhey,
Did he keep the Color Space set on "Wide" prior to and AFTER calibration ?


Yes he did. I'll add that to my review.

Originally posted by Joel
Very interesting on the warm color mode; are whites pinkish after calibration? I stick with the neutral setting because whites go visibly pinkish when the set is on warm.

Thanks so much for the information!!!! I also like the sharpness at zero, no question for me about that.

Cheers

I don't see the rosy - pinkish tint to whites that I agree is there with the warm color temperature pre-calibration. Whites appear - well... plain white.

Originally posted by brt3
Guilty as charged...
:D :D :D
I contacted Eliab about calibrations on the Left Coast. He has referred me to a good friend of his, Chuck Williams, who is relocating to the San Francisco area in July (heads up, kaduku and 3deye!). Maybe I'll have my Dragonfly/Mosquito combo up and running by then (GREAT review, editor!) so he can do everything in one fell swoop...

At my calibration session yesterday, I told Eliab about this great thread and the fraternity of Qualians. I also told him to expect some phone calls. He told me he had been contacted by someone from this thread the day before, who lived in San Fran and that he recommended Chuck Williams. Chuck is moving to that area (not sure if he is already relocated). He is also OUTSTANDING. If you guys can get him to do a Qualia "tour" in California, you'll be very satisfied with his work.

Ron,
Thanks for putting my spending in perspective...as I said before, and as I tell my kids all the time, everything is relative!

Originally posted by nhey
At my calibration session yesterday, I told Eliab about this great thread and the fraternity of Qualians. I also told him to expect some phone calls. He told me he had been contacted by someone from this thread the day before, who lived in San Fran and that he recommended Chuck Williams. Chuck is moving to that area (not sure if he is already relocated). He is also OUTSTANDING. If you guys can get him to do a Qualia "tour" in California, you'll be very satisfied with his work.

Nhey,

how many hours did you log before calibrating the set?

I think I am going to give eliab a call to come visit me on long island.

$400 is cheap relative to the algolith stack :)

Originally posted by gellis
Thanks for the sentiments. I did order it from Sony Qualia. I didn't get much compassion from them. Want a replacement? Order a new one. Refund? Well, that will depend on how long it takes to get the set returned and inspected. Sorry, I'm not in a great mood at the moment!

I am very happy to learn that the lead time is only two weeks now. That's some consolation.

You got WHAT response from Sony??? Which store did you deal with and whom did you speak to? Upon hearing that response I'd be having a very reasoned conversation with that individual to ascertain just how high at Sony I needed to go to get the situation resolved, which would be my very next call. After that, I'd be calling to dispute the charge on the credit card.

NVC is in charge of the thing until it's set up and powered on, so I'm assuming they took it away and are sending it back? IMO this should put you at the head of the line for the very next set available. As for delivery... mine was right at 30 days (placed in late march), if it's shortened to 2 now it's happened in very recent history and I'm jealous. :)

Just got my Harmony 880 from Best Buy yesterday -- not only works great with my Qualia, but its color screen is great!!! Has separate commands for the different Qualia video inputs too.

Originally posted by BenDover
Nhey,

how many hours did you log before calibrating the set?

I think I am going to give eliab a call to come visit me on long island.

$400 is cheap relative to the algolith stack :)


I probably am pretty close to 900 to 1000 hours. Was one of the first few to get the 006.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Wellp, I think you should add another 1K to your estimate for the Blu-ray, the way things are going.

Bonnie,
I'll leave the back door unlocked.:)

After seeing the Blu-ray demo at the N.Y. store on the Q I think I would trade in my first born so what's another 1k.

Sorry PM - Bonnie is not a "back door" kinda gal.:eek:

Originally posted by RonB63
Sorry PM - Bonnie is not a "back door" kinda gal.:eek:
I don't need that much information Ron.:eek:

Originally posted by JimP
RonB63,

You're also a little low on speakers and the receiver(most certainly want to go with separates). Just bump it up by 10K and you should be in the ballpark.



JimP,

I know but I have to draw the line somewhere. Actually the 7k for speakers (Klipsch THX Ultra2) was for 5.1 but I forgot that I should go 7.1 so it will be closer to 9k. I know that separates are the best way to go but I've always been a lazy reciever guy. Some things never change. I'm actually much more into HT than music (at least at this point). I just want the HDMI switching and the room EQ (thinking about the Denon 4806).

Another 10K and zee wife will surely be knockin' on Penton's door.:D

Originally posted by RonB63
1+ years ago - moved to my current house - 4000sf, nice lot -life is good right?
Wrong!
Read "sony jumps" thread - must have this TV. I was happy with getting a nice 61" DLP but noooooooo....

150k - new room addition to house this piece of art
11k - wall unit to hold TV and compments (3 little kids who love to grab)
7k - new speakers - you said that the sound is important too
4k - new receiver - same reason as above
2k - you said it is important to have a power cond./voltage regulator
1k - eventual Blu-ray or hybrid - gotta feed the beast the best right?
1k - calibration since the best can be even better! I rounded up for effect
5k - 2 new "bugs" to clean up the video (Thanks Editor! :))

New TV - 13K
Accessories - 181k

And on that note, I think you just gave the trolls *information overload* with the above post......they done just don't know where to begin:D
Do we attack the display ? The cost overuns of the addition ? His choice in the necessity of a power conditioner ?

Good job !:)

Originally posted by bobhoppel
Just got my Harmony 880 from Best Buy yesterday -- not only works great with my Qualia, but its color screen is great!!! Has separate commands for the different Qualia video inputs too.

WHAT?!?!?!

Logitech's site still shows "notify me"

Did you preorder from BB? Or did you just walk in and pick it up...going to call a local BB in NYC now and pick it up during lunch if they have it.

Originally posted by BenDover
Nhey,
I think I am going to give eliab a call to come visit me on long island.
$400 is cheap relative to the algolith stack :)
Keep in mind that fee was only for 2 inputs.

Which brings up another question that maybe umr can comment on. How does this calibration stuff of an individual input on the 006 relate to the fact of when you have multiple components hooked into a switcher which then feeds into one input on the 006 ??

What I mean is …..with all this stuff from the switcher hooked into one input on the 006, don’t compromises have to be made ? Would it be best to hook each individual component into its own input on the 006 and have each of those inputs calibrated ?
Should that make a significant difference in picture quality? I mean really significant?

Scenario:
You’ve got 4 HDMI sources going into your Mosquito. The mosquito is hooked to the Dragonfly. The Dragonfly goes into one HDMI input on your 006. Will compromises have to be made with calibrating that one input on the 006 to get the best use out of all those 4 components that are feeding into the Mosquito?

Nice article by Ofer in Secrets:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_12_1/algolith-mosquito-video-noise-reducer-3-2005.html

The statement that I find to be most distressing, "However, as more HDTV stations are being introduced, HDTV is bound to suffer the same fate as SDTV. HDTV stations use exactly the same compression technology as SDTV and if bitrates decline, the same problems we’ve been seeing in SDTV compression will also occur in HDTV."

At bb right now and just picked up my 880...

Originally posted by kanebear
You got WHAT response from Sony??? Which store did you deal with and whom did you speak to? Upon hearing that response I'd be having a very reasoned conversation with that individual to ascertain just how high at Sony I needed to go to get the situation resolved, which would be my very next call. After that, I'd be calling to dispute the charge on the credit card.

Yes, I was unpleasantly surprised and disappointed at the apparent Sony policy for this sort of problem. However, I want to wait to see what happens today and give Sony a chance. I'll post what happens as soon as I have news.

I ordered by calling the phone number listed on the Qualia site. I believe the team is in Florida.

BenDover

Igot a heads up yesterday on the Harmony 880 from this forum: http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/rc-harmony/thread.cgi?2015

Originally posted by bobhoppel
BenDover

Igot a heads up yesterday on the Harmony 880 from this forum: http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/rc-harmony/thread.cgi?2015

Thanks Bob, if it wasn't for your post I would have been oblivious to the fact that BB had them...I paid more than I would have if I bought it online somewhere, but somethings I just can't wait on :) Especially since it is confirmed that the stalk is making a delivery on Monday.

Now I have to get all of my equipment set up...

RE MY BLACK LINES:

UMR has told me that this is a Sony issue, having to do with their electronics and he has seen it in other Sony sets. He believes it the service mode may have something to fix it (he has fixed it in other sets) but doesn't know how to fix the item in the 006 service menus.

Yuck.

No cheers today. :(

Originally posted by Joel
RE MY BLACK LINES:

UMR has told me that this is a Sony issue, having to do with their electronics and he has seen it in other Sony sets. He believes it the service mode may have something to fix it (he has fixed it in other sets) but doesn't know how to fix the item in the 006 service menus.

Yuck.

No cheers today. :(

Joel, do you think these lines would show up clearly in a digital photograph? If so, maybe you can post a pic so that everyone else can see what you are experiencing and report back whether they too experience these lines.

Seems really odd to me to blame the set when it only occurs on DVD playback. Did you have the chance to experiment with another DVD player?

Not yet. I don't think a digital pic will work. But I will try another DVD player. We'll see. Thanks

Originally posted by RonB63
1+ years ago - moved to my current house - 4000sf, nice lot -life is good right?
Wrong!
Read "sony jumps" thread - must have this TV. I was happy with getting a nice 61" DLP but noooooooo....

150k - new room addition to house this piece of art
11k - wall unit to hold TV and compments (3 little kids who love to grab)
7k - new speakers - you said that the sound is important too
4k - new receiver - same reason as above
2k - you said it is important to have a power cond./voltage regulator
1k - eventual Blu-ray or hybrid - gotta feed the beast the best right?
1k - calibration since the best can be even better! I rounded up for effect
5k - 2 new "bugs" to clean up the video (Thanks Editor! :))

New TV - 13K
Accessories - 181k

THE WAY THIS IS GOING IT WOULD BE CHEAPER FOR ME TO OFFER EVERY PERSON ON THIS THREAD $500 TO STOP POSTING ANY COMMENTS ABOUT OTHER GEAR/ENHANCEMENTS/ADD-ONS...

Then again - this is way too fun (at least until my wife leaves me)! :)


My Creative Director asked if you'll buy him a Datsun 510 so he can soup it up, and race on weekends. He says he'll come over and clean your screen.

-Editor

PS- I have a few other components you'll have to have, starting with a QuBit... ha ha ha ha, rolfalmo:D

I think Datsuns are a little too high-brow for us to consider. Is he one of those guys at the bottom of the 96th street ramp waiting to clean my windshield?
QuBit - I don't remember what this is but I hope it's under $29.95! Or at least 3 easy payments of $10.99 so I can spread it out a bit. :)

Originally posted by RonB63
I think Datsuns are a little too high-brow for us to consider. Is he one of those guys at the bottom of the 96th street ramp waiting to clean my windshield?

No squeegee. Just a drawing tablet... of course you can take two and call me in the morning...


QuBit - I don't remember what this is but I hope it's under $29.95! Or at least 3 easy payments of $10.99 so I can spread it out a bit. :)

$299,000.99 But as a Special QVC shopper, you can do it on 3 easy flex payments of $600 thousand each, and we'll throw in free shipping, and a set of those steak knives!

-Editor

Well, not that bad!

Originally posted by brt3
I think Michel Poirer told me that the combo (Dragonfly w/HDMI Mosquito) would run $5K...

Kanebear, did you take delivery?

Ben...some are saying that BB even pricematched a web site showing it at $180.

P.S. BB in Beaverton, OR does have them, so it is true!

Originally posted by BenDover
WHAT?!?!?!

Logitech's site still shows "notify me"

Did you preorder from BB? Or did you just walk in and pick it up...going to call a local BB in NYC now and pick it up during lunch if they have it.

Already got it today during lunch.

I'll send my wife in to a bb near my home to see if they'll price match Internet advertised prices...she's usually good at that and for some reason takes the heat off me for spending pp...so when she finally gets the nerve up to ask me how much the q cost, I should be able to avert any angry response by describing how I went out of my way to save thousands off the msrp.

Originally posted by BenDover
Already got it today during lunch.

I'll send my wife in to a bb near my home to see if they'll price match Internet advertised prices...she's usually good at that and for some reason takes the heat off me for spending pp...so when she finally gets the nerve up to ask me how much the q cost, I should be able to avert any angry response by describing how I went out of my way to save thousands off the msrp.

I go mine also today. Does it really take this long to update it? So far 2 hours and counting.

Originally posted by kaduku
I go mine also today. Does it really take this long to update it? So far 2 hours and counting.

no, something is wrong...it should take minutes, not hours :)

[EDIT: cancel the current operation and retry...i've found that software firewalls tend to interfere with the process and therefore i either disable the software firewall during update of the remote or i download the file and don't have it automatically open the harmony application but instead save the file to the pc and manually start the operation by double-clicking the downloaded file once it is done.]

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
How am I supposed to sleep tonight when I have timc's pictures floating in my mind? :( ;)

By dreaming of the next ones ill post hehehe ;-)

PS: I just watched the 5th Element superbit again, but this time thru my htpc at 1920 by 1080i.....Soon i'll play that really spooky Doom 3 game on the Q !!

I must now say the pc will replace my Samsung dedicated dvd player that upscales 480p & 540 something p and 1080i (which is where i leave it and looks best on the Q.

PQ looks 2 times better on the pc !! No noise!! Yippie!! Makes me think those two critters everyones talking about recently are flying around in my htpc ; Dragonfly and Mosquito ,,,,,,,,:>~<:,,,,,,,,,

Gotta luv a clean lean Qualia & a htpc machine!!

I think the Q and my pc are now engaged, lol

Tim

Originally posted by timc1475
By dreaming of the next ones ill post hehehe ;-)

PS: I just watched the 5th Element superbit again, but this time thru my htpc at 1920 by 1080i.....Soon i'll play that really spooky Doom 3 game on the Q !!

I must now say the pc will replace my Samsung dedicated dvd player that upscales 480p & 540 something p and 1080i (which is where i leave it and looks best on the Q.

PQ looks 2 times better on the pc !! No noise!! Yippie!! Makes me think these two critters are partly there in the pc ; Dragonfly and Mosquito>

Gotta luv a clean lean Qualia machine!!

I think the Q and my pc are now engaged, lol

Tim

i was wondering about that myself; particularly since i have the myhd pci card which also upconverts dvds and has been proven to do a damn fine job compared to some expensive, dedicated scalers/deinterlacers...

Originally posted by BenDover
no, something is wrong...it should take minutes, not hours :)

[EDIT: cancel the current operation and retry...i've found that software firewalls tend to interfere with the process and therefore i either disable the software firewall during update of the remote or i download the file and don't have it automatically open the harmony application but instead save the file to the pc and manually start the operation by double-clicking the downloaded file once it is done.]

Pls help!!!! I got the download working now, but the remote seems to freeze at USB CONNECTED. Do you know how to reset this thing?

i would disconnect, restart the computer, then reconnect...

you installed the software from the cd, right?

the software on the website available for download is not compatible, apparently, with this remote...i had to install on my laptop b/c it wouldn't work on my main pc that i use to update the other two harmony remotes

Originally posted by BenDover
i would disconnect, restart the computer, then reconnect...

I've tried that including removing the battery. Everything time I put the batteries back in it says "no configuration", then when I try redoing the download, it reboots and then says USB CONNECTED and the download screen says error conecting to the remote and the remote freezes again. Nothing happens also when I place it back on the charger. I guess it's going back to BB tomorrow.

look at my edit above...

Originally posted by BenDover
Kanebear, did you take delivery?

Oh HELL yeah! It's HEEERE! The local warehouse that NVC contracts with only sent two people... fortunately I had a few guys around to help but it fully took four people to get that behemoth up and in the cabinet. Pictures tomorrow of the Q in it's new home... it fits like a GLOVE! The delivery guy measured, measured and remeasured.... he didn't think it was going to fit. I shudder to think how hard it's gonna be to get it out when it comes time for a bulb replacement tho... :)

Obviously you all know how good the thing is... so you'll certainly identify with this. My room is in utter disarray. Boxes, packaging and cables everywhere. My current 'chair' is the box my surrounds came in! So... they drop off the Q, I hook it up, fire it up... wife comes home and wants to go to dinner. ARRRRRRRRRRRGH! Ok, off we go. Come home... she goes in the house, I go back to the HT room (separate from the house... was a poolhouse in a former life) and pop in I-robot on D-VHS... and sit on a box for 2 hours because I utterly cannot stop watching the thing. The combination of amazing sound and the Q's picture is just... sublime. I have the D-VHS deck going into the Q over Firewire. I want to try the component out just to see how much of a difference I notice. Now to get 100 hours on it so I can have UMR do his magic!

I still have a ways to go with wiring and getting the components all in (Dish 942 gets installed tomorrow, I got the HD cable box up and running tonight no thanks to Time Warner's idiocy... cable card will be next Tuesday unless i can bribe someone...) Then FINALLY I can get everything cleaned up and get some furniture in there. Next up... convincing the wife that an 8.5' dish really isn't that big.

Kanebear - congratulations! That must be great to finally get to fiddle around with Q006!

To bring up an age old debate - what cable is best? I was at Fry's today looking at HDMI cables to get ready for my 6's impending arrival (feel like I'm expecting a baby or something) and saw anywhere from $49 Sony Cable to some brand I wasn't familiar with but was $129.

Anyone have any preferences as to what brand/model is best? Does it even matter really? Just curious...

-xrispy

kanebear,

I can't wait either. It should be fun.

Originally posted by xrispy
To bring up an age old debate - what cable is best? I was at Fry's today looking at HDMI cables to get ready for my 6's impending arrival (feel like I'm expecting a baby or something) and saw anywhere from $49 Sony Cable to some brand I wasn't familiar with but was $129.

Anyone have any preferences as to what brand/model is best? Does it even matter really? Just curious...


Some say no, but I truly believe that cabling do matter. I use Audioquest HDMI cables. I think their better than Monster. A little expensive, especially the longer they get, but worth it, and you won't find them at Fry's.

http://www.audioquest.com/

Originally posted by BenDover
look at my edit above...

BD,
I gave up on the 880, and will get a replacement tomorrow. I guess trying to configure it for 2 plus hours fried it.

Thanks Kaduku. I don't normally buy cables at Frys, but I think I was fantasizing about not spending $750 for 3 feet of cable for once. hahaha - think I'll check out the HDMI3's weekend.

-xrispy

Kaduku, one thing that causes problems with these remotes and has been one deficiency that they didn't correct for some reason is trying to include too much guide info and/or too many channels...reduce the number of channels or the period for which you download guide info (I am forced to limit guide data to 7 days normally and for this remote it seems to be even less...haven't fully figured it out but didn't have much time to mess with it yet)

Can someone tell me whether the wheels on the Q's stand are "beefy" ??

In other words, might I just be able to use the stand as a dolly to roll the beast in from my garage into my basement?

Originally posted by kanebear
Oh HELL yeah! It's HEEERE! The local warehouse that NVC contracts with only sent two people... fortunately I had a few guys around to help but it fully took four people to get that behemoth up and in the cabinet. Pictures tomorrow of the Q in it's new home... it fits like a GLOVE!


OK, so after you get it up and running... my bet is you'll yearn for the Dragonfly & Mosquito Combo within a week...

5:1 odds, any takers!?

-Editor

BTW: Congrats!!!!!!


-Edited- I wish I could spelllll.

Originally posted by editor58
OK, so after you get it up and running... my bet is you'll years for the Dragonfly & Mosquito Combo within a week...

5:1 odds, any takers!?

-Editor

BTW: Congrats!!!!!!

What's your cut on these "bugs" ?? :D

Originally posted by BenDover
What's your cut on these "bugs" ?? :D

I pay what U doo do.

But you see, having seen the Faroduja against the Algolith bugs, I know why I'm buying them. Eventually, I'm gonna run them through a Scope
and really see... my eye is never wrong.

OH and BTW, the Cable Fiasco as to which one is better... is BULL$&&T.

Maybe for audio to speakers, and other VOLTAGE relevant gear.

DIGITAL IS DIGITAL. Either you have 0010001010010001 or YOU DO NOT.

Buy a decent cable. I have 45 cent toslink cable from my DVD player to my Fosgate FAP-1 and have switched them back and forth to a $90 cable that was given to me, and the is NO difference.

Remember I make Hi-Def content, own an HD AVID, and it's properly wired. If I listened to Monster and other "phile-Nuts" I could have spent 100K for cable. That's a fact Jack.
DIGITAL is DIGITAL... Just don;t buy a cable that won't seat well, or come apart.!

-Editor

Editor58

I agree with you. I have been buying digital cables off of monoprice.com for over a year and have never had a problem. Have even swapped them with Monster and one of the Monster HDMI cables was intermittent.-- Go figure?

GREAT NEWS!!!
May 6, 2005, 7:58 AM PDT
Court overturns broadcast flag
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit ruled on Friday that the Federal Communications Commission did not have the authority to prohibit the manufacture of computer and video hardware without the so-called "broadcast flag."

The first thing I saw when I RTFM'ed the Q was that the lamp is removed from the bottom FRONT.



Originally posted by kanebear
I shudder to think how hard it's gonna be to get it out when it comes time for a bulb replacement tho... :)

Thanks Editor - I went with premium cables for the audio side speaker connects. I bought equipment from Stereo Design in San Diego. They were nice enough to let me borrow various cables and test them in my house before I bought them - and I did notice a difference. But as for HDMI I don't have a source who will allow me to do that and was thinking the same thing on the digital signal anyway. I'll check out some premium cable versions for curiosity/comparison sake. In the end I think I'll go with something that is not necessarily the cheapest but not necessarily the most expensive either.

I thinks its more a psychological problem with this hobby. Good components costs a lot. So when I spend over $10k on a component I feel wierd attaching a $10 cable to it. I think I'm going to take up knitting or something as a less costly hobby. JK! :)

-xrispy

Hey, Xrispy -- I have spent A LOT OF $$$ over the years at Stereo Design, IMO the best audio shop in San Diego. I had some service issues with them (and of course, their prices are basically full retail less 10%) but they do know what they are doing. I recommend them as well. What tends to set cables apart are (1) the quality of the connectors and (2) shielding -- some cable wraps are more susceptible to AC cord interference than others, but it's not linear --- sometimes cheaper cables are better, you have to experiment. Give my regards to Steve at Stereo Design...

Cheers

Hey Joel,

Stereo Design is definately one of my favorites. Steve is very nice and knowledgable. I'd just let him know what components I was interested in and he'd setup it up in one of the listening rooms where I would spend hours just listening to various discs. Quite a different experience than going into a CC or BB for sure. But then again they typically don't have the stuff we're after anyway.

I haven't visited in a while though as that store is DANGEROUS for me. :)

-xrispy

Originally posted by xrispy

I thinks its more a psychological problem with this hobby. Good components costs a lot. So when I spend over $10k on a component I feel wierd attaching a $10 cable to it. I think I'm going to take up knitting or something as a less costly hobby. JK! :)



You are absolutely right! It is a psychological thing. We've spent thousands on a DVHS player, premium dvd player, receiver, power conditioner, ups, stand, switcher, premium speakers, Mosquito, and Dragonfly. What's another freakin 50-70 bucks. Remember, we Q006 owners are a special breed that want the best, including everything else that is connected to it. Now if you want to save money, don't spend another 2 grand on a nice stand that doesn't really do anything to make the picture quality any better and just lay the Q006 on a wooden crate. IMHO :D

Added to my Qualia webpage:
Algolith VS. Faroudja (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html) -- the review/comparison by editor58

Originally posted by kaduku

...

Now if you want to save money, don't spend another 2 grand on a nice stand that doesn't really do anything to make the picture quality any better and just lay the Q006 on a wooden crate. IMHO :D

That would be like shooting a canon from a row boat :)

Originally posted by editor58
OK, so after you get it up and running... my bet is you'll yearn for the Dragonfly & Mosquito Combo within a week...

5:1 odds, any takers!?

-Editor

BTW: Congrats!!!!!!


-Edited- I wish I could spelllll.

I placed a deposit on the Dragonfly the day they announced preordering. The moment I get word I can order the combo, it's done... or did I miss something???

BD,
Thanks for trying to help me on the 880. I talked to their tech support, who could not figure it out. I also tried an updated software they sent me that they claim is newer than the one that came with the remote, which didn't help. I've already exchanged the 880 at BB this morning and will try it with another computer. Tech support also mentioned to me that BB was not suppose to release it yet, until they are able to post patches on the their site.

Originally posted by kaduku
BD,
Thanks for trying to help me on the 880.

np




...

Tech support also mentioned to me that BB was not suppose to release it yet, until they are able to post patches on the their site.

lol

Originally posted by kanebear
I placed a deposit on the Dragonfly the day they announced preordering. The moment I get word I can order the combo, it's done... or did I miss something???

Were you and editor trying to hustle bets from fellow Qualians or was that purely a co-inky-dink?

Hi all:

Mr. Fed-X man came... then I did too, for in his arms was my
BUG! Yes, the Mosquito is here... now where is that dragonfly?

Editor

Originally posted by BenDover
Were you and editor trying to hustle bets from fellow Qualians or was that purely a co-inky-dink?

Hey, gotta try to offset the cost of all these damn toys somehow...

Originally posted by editor58
Hi all:

Mr. Fed-X man came... then I did too, for in his arms was my
BUG! Yes, the Mosquito is here... now where is that dragonfly?

Editor

Late June, sayeth the website. F'ck that, I don't wanna wait, sayeth I!

Originally posted by kanebear
Late June, sayeth the website. F'ck that, I don't wanna wait, sayeth I!

Thou have to waitist... the comitteee of HDMI ith... hath not certifyith
the fly-ith. Until thou happens you are screwe-ed, and fly-less.

So zip up and wait.

Editor-i-or

I understand that the Q006 will not pass native 1080p. Is there any benefit to having the iSCAN on a dvd source with HDMI that can output 1080i?
Elbert

Wednesday of these week, my 06 arrived damaged - the mirror was cracked. There was obvious damage to the box.

Here's a follow-up: It seems like Sony is coming through. I'm apparently scheduled to receive a replacement set next week -- pretty fast. The Sony people in the Flordia office are treating me well and are very responsive. I appreciate it.

I'm still waiting for a credit on the damaged set. Getting a replacement required placing a new order with a new credit card charge.

Thanks for the support, fellow forum members, and special thanks to jp for his guidance.

Originally posted by gellis
Wednesday of these week, my 06 arrived damaged - the mirror was cracked. There was obvious damage to the box.

Here's a follow-up: It seems like Sony is coming through. I'm apparently scheduled to receive a replacement set next week -- pretty fast. The Sony people in the Flordia office are treating me well and are very responsive. I appreciate it.

I'm still waiting for a credit on the damaged set. Getting a replacement required placing a new order with a new credit card charge.

Thanks for the support, fellow forum members, and special thanks to jp for his guidance.

Great news...glad to see Sony stepping up to the plate.

Ouch on the double credit card charge...if my wife saw a bill for $30,000 she would head straight to the courthouse :)

Gellis - good to hear you are being taken care of. The customer service was sounding a bit scary at first. I was actually cringing reading your posts. Knock on wood - I hope my 6 arrives intact next week.

-xrispy

Originally posted by Elbert
I understand that the Q006 will not pass native 1080p. Is there any benefit to having the iSCAN on a dvd source with HDMI that can output 1080i?
Elbert

Yes, dedicated external scalers often do a much better job than what comes with your DVD player.

Whatever happened to the person that had a problem with blues on their q?

Picked up the Harmony 880 at BB over lunch; programmed it at the office. Had the firewall issues, saved the executable, blah blah but it seemed to program fine. Computer at home went on the *BLINK* (sending it back to the moo-cow people, without one for a couple weeks), so had to do it at the office. I hope it works ... it's a slick little unit, very nice look and feel. The buttons around the display are pretty tiny, however, as are the items on the screen. We'll see how well the wife and kiddies can find those buttons. Setup went pretty quickly, however.

Still got my black lines ... I have heard from only one other Qualian who has seen them ... bums me out. Fortunately, they are not visible from my seating distance ... but I know they are there....

Cheers

Originally posted by gellis
Wednesday of these week, my 06 arrived damaged - the mirror was cracked. There was obvious damage to the box.

gellis,
Great to hear you are getting the replacement soon. :) As you're having several years of great viewing, some shipper is going to be having 7 years of bad luck :(

Sorry if this is a repeat but I couldn't find it whie searching the thread. Can someone PLEASE post the proper powerstrip settings for this damn thing? I have it running at 'full screen' however it's not 1920x1080 1:1 pixel mapped and that's beyond annoying. I can get it CLOSE but can't seem to get the horizontal squeezed in. :( That plus when futzing with the resolution and timings in powerstrip the Q freaks out and I have to go into the Ilink menu and come back out to get it to re-synch. Oh well at least it works with a DVI-HDMI cable. HELLLP!


Oh yeah, am posting this FROM the Q btw... even if it's not spot on resolution it still looks damn good!

Originally posted by gellis
Wednesday of these week, my 06 arrived damaged - the mirror was cracked. There was obvious damage to the box.

Here's a follow-up: It seems like Sony is coming through. I'm apparently scheduled to receive a replacement set next week -- pretty fast. The Sony people in the Flordia office are treating me well and are very responsive. I appreciate it.

I'm still waiting for a credit on the damaged set. Getting a replacement required placing a new order with a new credit card charge.

Thanks for the support, fellow forum members, and special thanks to jp for his guidance.

gellis,
From a fellow bay arean, glad to hear that Sony is sending another unit asap. I just don't get why you have to be charged again!

Growing weary...cannot think clearly...cannot resist...must fight the temptation...not rational to try to improve something I have not yet taken delivery of...must block algolith website...

BenDover - Don't do it man! We have to be strong! Just say no...well at least until after the Q arrives anyway. :)

Originally posted by brt3
(heads up, kaduku and 3deye!).

My head is up.

Originally posted by 3deye
My head is up.

G,
Your setup looks great! I wish I had my 006 in my bedroom. That Yamaha looks perfect for a bedroom atmospehere. Great job man!

I guess you're now getting ready for the 004 for the main HT. :D

OK, I admit it...I have been looking at too many manuals and screens. Where is the Contrast adjustment on the 006? Am I going blind along with everything else?

Just going crazy setting up 3 TV's before Comcast brings 2 6412's and a 6200!!

TIA

Originally posted by kaduku
I guess you're now getting ready for the 004 for the main HT. :D

hmmm.... now you've got me thinking... hmmm... <g>

Actually, my main HT is lit by the most powerful light-source around (el sol) and the viewing screen is a bunch of very transmissive silicon sources (glass), looking out on a big green forest. The bedroom HT is the only place where the virtual world has the opportunity to leak in.

Man... I just took the morning off and watched Day After Tomorrow with the sound turned up loud. Was very fun.

Hey, have any of you seen the film Baraka? It was broadcast on InHD2 this week and I transferred it to DVHS yesterday. UNBELIEVABLE PQ and beautiful source material. I heartily recommend it.

I've been experimenting with DVD Shrink and DVD Encryptor... very cool utilities to have.

Now maybe I need to go for a walk.

So far, DVD Shrink has been able to decrypt and write, via NERO, for me. I have not had to use dvd decrypter...yet!

Originally posted by 3deye
hmmm.... now you've got me thinking... hmmm... <g>

Actually, my main HT is lit by the most powerful light-source around (el sol) and the viewing screen is a bunch of very transmissive silicon sources (glass), looking out on a big green forest. The bedroom HT is the only place where the virtual world has the opportunity to leak in.

Man... I just took the morning off and watched Day After Tomorrow with the sound turned up loud. Was very fun.

Hey, have any of you seen the film Baraka? It was broadcast on InHD2 this week and I transferred it to DVHS yesterday. UNBELIEVABLE PQ and beautiful source material. I heartily recommend it.

I've been experimenting with DVD Shrink and DVD Encryptor... very cool utilities to have.

Now maybe I need to go for a walk.

Looks like Baraka is going on again May 20. Since I will have my 6412 tomorrow. with an upgrade to Digital Classic, I can record it!

Originally posted by 3deye
hmmm.... now you've got me thinking... hmmm... <g>

Actually, my main HT is lit by the most powerful light-source around (el sol) and the viewing screen is a bunch of very transmissive silicon sources (glass), looking out on a big green forest. The bedroom HT is the only place where the virtual world has the opportunity to leak in.

Man... I just took the morning off and watched Day After Tomorrow with the sound turned up loud. Was very fun.

Hey, have any of you seen the film Baraka? It was broadcast on InHD2 this week and I transferred it to DVHS yesterday. UNBELIEVABLE PQ and beautiful source material. I heartily recommend it.

I've been experimenting with DVD Shrink and DVD Encryptor... very cool utilities to have.

Now maybe I need to go for a walk.

Good god we have hit 280?!? heh its great to see the thread alive and well I finally got a cover for my Qualia (big thanks for the help). Now perhaps I can get some posting of pics done. Great to see the old standbys like dive still posting here.

Originally posted by nhey


Brightness 28
Contrast 63
Color was calibrated to 33 but when we viewed material post-calibration we both agreed that punching up the color to 40 on the material we looked at provided a more pleasing picture - but this is one setting that may need to be adjusted from input to input.
Tint 31
Sharpness 0
Color space wide: Yes, set to on.
Cinema black Pro - suprisingly he left it off
He thought the black levels post calibration were excellent. Did not have time to do an actual measurement. I am perfectly satisified with this set's black levels, even with cinema black pro shut off.

Cost was $400. [/B]

Tint? I believe contrast simply equals picture but wasnt too sure where tint is (may be a service menu item I haven't dared go in there yet).

Good to see you back, thesirjay.

I can see if Picture is Contrast. Also, at the bottom of Video is advanced and I think that tint, etc is there. Advanced brings up a bunch more settings.

P.S. You may want to check your PM as I responded to a question you asked me on 4/22 and it is still unread.


Originally posted by thesirjay
Tint? I believe contrast simply equals picture but wasnt too sure where tint is (may be a service menu item I haven't dared go in there yet).

FYI, the Harmony 880 is a total pain in the a**. The software won't run on the laptop at home, I updated it (tried to) with network logos at work and it totally locked up on me. I had to leave town today and now will have to mess with tech support. So far, it has not worked even once! Yikes.

Looks good, tho. *laughing*

Cheers

Wow! Most on remotecentral like it. I am waiting 'til I get my TT-400 (supposed to ship this week) and when all is set up, my next project is a Remote...another one.

P.S. I am getting the fans but not the remote. Did you get fans on your TT-400?


Originally posted by Joel
FYI, the Harmony 880 is a total pain in the a**. The software won't run on the laptop at home, I updated it (tried to) with network logos at work and it totally locked up on me. I had to leave town today and now will have to mess with tech support. So far, it has not worked even once! Yikes.

Looks good, tho. *laughing*

Cheers

Originally posted by thesirjay
Tint? I believe contrast simply equals picture but wasnt too sure where tint is (may be a service menu item I haven't dared go in there yet).

thesirjay,
I'm still here, good to see you. The picture adjustment is contrast. The hue adjustment is what in the past I referred to as tint, but the color temp will also adjust the tint. Hope this helps.

If you're watching Jacque Cousteau and aren't seeing any blue then you are having real problems!

Originally posted by Artwood
If you're watching Jacque Cousteau and aren't seeing any blue then you are having real problems!

Artwood,
Unless Jacque is at the Red Sea ;)

Is that where red push came from?

OK GUYS....

The Mosquito is installed. VERY NICE. Oh... I have you attention now...???

So you wanna know about it???

-Editor

Originally posted by editor58
OK GUYS....

The Mosquito is installed. VERY NICE. Oh... I have you attention now...???

So you wanna know about it???

-Editor
Man, you are SUCH a tease! So, the Eagle has landed -- give it up, dude!

Originally posted by brt3
Man, you are SUCH a tease! So, the Eagle has landed -- give it up, dude!

It's Sooooo much fun this way.

As usual, I am not ready to comment! I just don't sit in the Bentley,
and go OOooooo... ahhhh. $hit... Leather and burl-wood don't impress
me anymore. So, I'll be going through it for the next few days... but You
will be the first to know.

I did watch on INHD, "In Theaters" which is a glorified 1/2 hour of
movie trailers. THIS is a VERY good barometer cause all it is is, is fast cuts.

I also watched on DVD Spartan. which is a very good film. The transfer was not that great so this will also give me some good material to offer my feedback.

I will Czech in tomorrow... yawnnnnn.

-Editor

Originally posted by thesirjay
Good god we have hit 280?!? heh its great to see the thread alive and well I finally got a cover for my Qualia (big thanks for the help). Now perhaps I can get some posting of pics done. Great to see the old standbys like dive still posting here.

Good hear that you have received your cover, hope your happy with it.

Originally posted by Joel
FYI, the Harmony 880 is a total pain in the a**. The software won't run on the laptop at home, I updated it (tried to) with network logos at work and it totally locked up on me. I had to leave town today and now will have to mess with tech support. So far, it has not worked even once! Yikes.


I was having the same problem. I even bypassed the router and plugged my laptop directly to the modem and still had problems. I even tried the latest version software with no luck. I managed to get some success using the mac. I was getting errors messages even though it did update the remote. It is working now and runs great with all my components, including my very old karaoke laser disc, which wasn't even on the list of devices.

I hope some of you lucky Qualia 006 owners saw HD to the MAX on CBS Boston this evening -

The best quality HDTV on television today is without a doubt is "HD to the MAX". This evening's program "The Great American West" was stunning! The amazing resolution and color purity made the scenes almost 3D like ... like watching through a window. And the pictures are enhanced with DD5.1 sound that shakes the floor!

These are films originally shot in IMAX and converted to HDTV.

Every Saturday evening from CBS BOSTON at 9:05pm PDT / 12:05am EDT (available in Canada on Bell ExpressVu on channel 817).

Can you guys post how many hours a day you have your Q 006 turned on?
I am still amazed at the lack of problems being reported about this set.
Thanks

all right. I have lost. I spent abort 20 minutes today watching this creature and I no longer have much control. My 65" Mits from a couple of years ago that has such a good picture that the calibrator wouldn't take my money or do anything to it now looks like yesterday's stale bread.

I must control my lust.

D#!* you all!

:)

Originally posted by pepco
Can you guys post how many hours a day you have your Q 006 turned on?
I am still amazed at the lack of problems being reported about this set.
Thanks

I am averaging about 3 to 4 hours a day. I am not having any problems at all with my Q006 (knock on wood). No blue ghosting (whatever that is), vertical banding, etc. I've haven't really messed around with the settings, because it's looks so good already, though I will probably have an ISF calibration done when the time arrives.

Originally posted by brt3
Man, you are SUCH a tease! So, the Eagle has landed -- give it up, dude!


brt3 - sent you a PM.

Originally posted by thesirjay
Tint? I believe contrast simply equals picture but wasnt too sure where tint is (may be a service menu item I haven't dared go in there yet).

TINT = HUE
PICTURE = CONTRAST

:D :D

QUALIA MOVIE ALERT

Chronicles of Riddick on HBOHD last night - great transfer! (may not be to your liking content-wise, but great picture quality, level of detail, yada yada...

LOVE MY (CALIBRATED) Q !!!

C'mon Sony... Bring on blu-ray!!

Originally posted by kwhittenberger
all right. I have lost. I spent abort 20 minutes today watching this creature and I no longer have much control. My 65" Mits from a couple of years ago that has such a good picture that the calibrator wouldn't take my money or do anything to it now looks like yesterday's stale bread.

I must control my lust.

D#!* you all!

:)

This is becoming a "classic" response...

Sad as it may be, this will happen even to us Qualia owners, sooner or later...later hopefully.

That is the nature of the beast.

Originally posted by nhey
QUALIA MOVIE ALERT

Chronicles of Riddick on HBOHD last night - great transfer! (may not be to your liking content-wise, but great picture quality, level of detail, yada yada...

LOVE MY (CALIBRATED) Q !!!

C'mon Sony... Bring on blu-ray!!


That disc should be a torture test for black performance.

Originally posted by BenDover
That disc should be a torture test for black performance.

How about I, Robot? I've found that one to be rather merciless as well. And the latest version of Alien from that 9 disc Quadrilogy.

Originally posted by pepco
Can you guys post how many hours a day you have your Q 006 turned on?
I am still amazed at the lack of problems being reported about this set.
Thanks

pepco,
About 5 hours on weeknights and 6-14 hours each weekend day.

Originally posted by nhey
QUALIA MOVIE ALERT

Chronicles of Riddick on HBOHD last night - great transfer! (may not be to your liking content-wise, but great picture quality, level of detail, yada yada...

LOVE MY (CALIBRATED) Q !!!



Chronicles of Riddick dvd looked awesome on the Q. I can just imagine how it looked on HD. This movie should definitely be on the QRD list.

Hey, I just realized it's my 500th post! Yipeeeee! :D

Just got the cablecard installed today. I frankly thought it was the 3250HD box that TWC here uses but I am now FULLY convinced that DISH HD is the best subscription HD we have available to us at this time. Dish does downrez certain channels (yes even the voom ones) but I'd rather see a higher bitrate 1440x1080 picture than a bit-starved 1920x1080 full-rez macroblockfest... which is exactly what TWC was. PBSHD showed a closeup of a river flowing at one point that turned into 100% blocks... no kidding, not ONE area of the screen was not 'blocked. My 42" NEC XR3A is MUCH nicer to this material... which the 006 throws into sharp relief.

Good material (I, Robot on D-VHS) is jawdropping as you all know. Bad material is stomach churning! Surprisingly enough though the analog SD doesn't look that bad. Digital SD does tho... so I will definitely be doing the Mosquito/Dragonfly thing.

A note... one thing I did was to set EVERY input on the TV to Pro. If you leave the unused inputs on Vivid as they come from the factory, the iris will needlessly open and close as you cycle through them (which you can hear in a stone quiet room). I realize this is a small niggle but anything I can do to minimize wear and tear is something I wanna do!

Originally posted by kanebear

A note... one thing I did was to set EVERY input on the TV to Pro. If you leave the unused inputs on Vivid as they come from the factory, the iris will needlessly open and close as you cycle through them (which you can hear in a stone quiet room). I realize this is a small niggle but anything I can do to minimize wear and tear is something I wanna do!


Intereseting observation, thanks for sharing.

Originally posted by nhey
TINT = HUE
PICTURE = CONTRAST

:D :D

lol but what the heck does tint 31 mean then?

...but, I disabled the unused inputs so I do not cycle thru them.

Originally posted by kanebear
Just got the cablecard installed today. I frankly thought it was the 3250HD box that TWC here uses but I am now FULLY convinced that DISH HD is the best subscription HD we have available to us at this time. Dish does downrez certain channels (yes even the voom ones) but I'd rather see a higher bitrate 1440x1080 picture than a bit-starved 1920x1080 full-rez macroblockfest... which is exactly what TWC was. PBSHD showed a closeup of a river flowing at one point that turned into 100% blocks... no kidding, not ONE area of the screen was not 'blocked. My 42" NEC XR3A is MUCH nicer to this material... which the 006 throws into sharp relief.

Good material (I, Robot on D-VHS) is jawdropping as you all know. Bad material is stomach churning! Surprisingly enough though the analog SD doesn't look that bad. Digital SD does tho... so I will definitely be doing the Mosquito/Dragonfly thing.

A note... one thing I did was to set EVERY input on the TV to Pro. If you leave the unused inputs on Vivid as they come from the factory, the iris will needlessly open and close as you cycle through them (which you can hear in a stone quiet room). I realize this is a small niggle but anything I can do to minimize wear and tear is something I wanna do!

OK, cable guys just left. Got two 6412's both at 9.17. Swap works as well. Guys said my units were new as they still had protective stuff on them. They said they had seen my set before, but it was a LCD! When it went on they saw DiscoveryHD and said WOW. Then we tried the Surround Proc, etc. They then wanted to try lots of music channels for the sound! :D

Originally posted by thesirjay
lol but what the heck does tint 31 mean then?

All it means is that I have Hue set to 31 in the video menu.

Originally posted by mpsan
...but, I disabled the unused inputs so I do not cycle thru them.

*slapping forehead* Duh, forgot we can do that.

Originally posted by nhey
All it means is that I have Hue set to 31 in the video menu.

hmm maybe we actually have different menus (I would be a bit shocked if so) my hue is at zero and it goes Red up to 31 and Green up to 32 (on slider) rather odd that the max number is different for those 2 but I don't imagine you have yours almost max green or max red. Thanks again for posting your experience I try out everyone's settings and its always like seeing a different tv.

thesirjay

You're not on hue.

Hello ALL:

Well, I got my two 6412's and a 6200. I have a question, however. All stations come in great. I have two HD plasma sets and the Q. INHD2 looks great on the two plasma sets but the Q breaks up/freezes and has lots of pixels. The signal level should be OK. Any ideas why this is going on? Anyone else had this issue before? The 6412 is set to 1080i if that matters and is on Input 4 via Component cables (not Comcast).

TIA

Originally posted by mpsan
Hello ALL:

Well, I got my two 6412's and a 6200. I have a question, however. All stations come in great. I have two HD plasma sets and the Q. INHD2 looks great on the two plasma sets but the Q breaks up/freezes and has lots of pixels. The signal level should be OK. Any ideas why this is going on? Anyone else had this issue before? The 6412 is set to 1080i if that matters and is on Input 4 via Component cables (not Comcast).

TIA

Does it look like macroblocking from overcompression or a 'pixel-spray' from reception errors? Swap the boxes out, the one on the Q could be defective. If that doesn't solve the problem, you have either a low signal issue or an interference issue. I had that issue and bought a drop amplifier (http://www.smarthome.com/7750.HTML) that took care of the problem. If it's intereference though, all the drop amp will do is amplify the noise. Are your analog channels noisy? Do you have pixelation and freezing on any of the digital SD channels?

brt..... Can you save me hours of reviewing each page to find who did what with lighting .... where & what to buy / what volts etc.

Many thanks ...... getting very close

Just got my Qualia. Wow. Used a HDMI cable to my Cablevision box. When you change channels the pictue blinks twice. For one second the picture goes black. It also blinks ramdomly from time to time while watching television. When the cable guy saw this he said it was a HDMI bad cable problem. When I switch to the component cables no problem. Component =video 5 and HDMI =6 . Could it be a pictue lock issue because of a weak cable signal. Does anybody know what the problem is? Thanks in advance

Scoots

Originally posted by Neo2005
brt..... Can you save me hours of reviewing each page to find who did what with lighting .... where & what to buy / what volts etc. Many thanks ...... getting very close
Neo,

Are you talking bias lighting? If so go HERE (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/Menu29.html) and click on the IdealLume link...

Scoots, I had the same issue when I tried a DVI-HDMI cable from my Pioneer cable box. Ultimately, because the Pioneer didn't use the correct colorspace (colors looked weird) on its DVI output and I couldn't figure out how to fix it, I changed to component instead. I think it's the handshake; the cable box HDMI firmware is likely old and doesn't shake hands well with the 006. It is NOT the 006; my Sony 975 works fine on both HDMI outputs. It is the HDMI output on your box.

Kaduku, glad to hear all turned out well with the 880. If I had my normal home PC I am sure it would have been fine but it fried right before I got it and am using a loaner from work, fully loaded with all the security stuff that interferes with the Harmony software, and it cannot be disabled. So, I might have to wait a few weeks until the moo-cow folks fix my PC.

Cheers

Check this out; it's a link to Bergdorf Goodman's Rewards Program, (http://www.bergdorfgoodman.com/store/catalog/template/catF7.jhtml?itemId=cat207907&parentId=cat140018&masterId=catstore&cmCat=) where you can get the following QUALIA products with reward points (right down any Elitist's alley, eh?)...

500,000 points:
• sony QUALIA 007 Super Audio CD Player delivers a rich, deep and remarkably live-sounding audio experience

750,000 points:
• sony QUALIA 006 SXRD Rear Projection TV with full high-definition resolution, state of the art Sony DVD player, and a selection of DVDs by Sony Pictures

Thanks kanebear.

It looks like a bunch of pixelization all over the screen with freezes and loss of audio.

Someone on the HDTV forum section told me to access the service menu and see s/n and correctable counts. I can compare them to the "good" box. He also asked me to see if I had the same with both tuners as he said one of the two is 3db down.

I believe VH1 Classic had some pixelization but no freezes or audio dropouts.

I was also told that the 6412 does this with too much signal as well. OH, I do have an amp at the feed, but could try an additional one. Still, since all of this was just installed yesterday, I would think it is up to Comcast to make it work.


Originally posted by kanebear
Does it look like macroblocking from overcompression or a 'pixel-spray' from reception errors? Swap the boxes out, the one on the Q could be defective. If that doesn't solve the problem, you have either a low signal issue or an interference issue. I had that issue and bought a drop amplifier (http://www.smarthome.com/7750.HTML) that took care of the problem. If it's intereference though, all the drop amp will do is amplify the noise. Are your analog channels noisy? Do you have pixelation and freezing on any of the digital SD channels?

Originally posted by thesirjay
hmm maybe we actually have different menus (I would be a bit shocked if so) my hue is at zero and it goes Red up to 31 and Green up to 32 (on slider) rather odd that the max number is different for those 2 but I don't imagine you have yours almost max green or max red. Thanks again for posting your experience I try out everyone's settings and its always like seeing a different tv.

Sorry my bad - hue is set at zero - right in the center.

Thanks Joel,

I thought it was handshake. Maybe in a year I will ask for a new cable box.

Scoots

6412 FYI...

I ran a test and just like I was told. INHD2 breaks up ONLY on Tuner two!

S/N on good tuner is 35+ db and tuner two is about 3db down

On the BAD 6412, the tuner 1 is 31 -32 db and tuner two is 28-29!! Also, tuner 1 gets NO freezes!

Worst is that tuner one on both has no uncorrectables and on the bad box I get 65, 000 uncorrectables.

What are you 6412 owners getting for S/N and error counts?

P.S. Access this from 6412 service menu...

turn off 6412 and within 2 seconds hit OK/select. Then go to in-band status!

Heya...

I picked up my 880 on Saturday and it's actually working pretty well. I did have one problem and had to go to Logitech's CS site to get a software update, which isn't actually available (at least yet) on the Harmony site. If any of you are having problems with out of memory errors when updating, this will fix them.

http://images.harmonyremote.com/EasyZapper/Downloads/LogitechHarmonyInstaller4.4.exe

Just remember to uninstall the 4.3 code before installing the new one!

Well, like I've said before, if it wasn't for bad luck I wouldn't have any...

my delivery today got botched...not sure who to blame but I took the day off for nothing. coming tomorrow morning at 8am but I can't take another day off so I'll be here to see them carry it in but nothing else...do you think I'll be able to concentrate all day??

i vaguely remember some talk here about hdmi not passing audio.

this weekend i was at a neighbor's house and they had a philly plasma hooked up to a S.A 8300 from cablevision via hdmi.

hdmi seemed to send both video and audio with no problems. the cable box was set to output audio via hdmi. he hadn't received his receiver yet, so i couldn't test if material with surround sound would have presented a problem.

Originally posted by BenDover

my delivery today got botched...not sure who to blame but I took the day off for nothing. coming tomorrow morning at 8am but I can't take another day off so I'll be here to see them carry it in but nothing else...do you think I'll be able to concentrate all day??

Sorry to hear about the botched delivery, glad to hear though that your wait is about over. It's gonna be very difficult to accept delivery then have to leave for work and not think about the Q and able to function normally throughout the day. I bet it's gonna be a short work day. :D

Finally got the 880 software to load; I didn't uninstall 4.3 before installing 4.4 of the executable. I will try it tonight with the 006 and report.

Mpsan, I did not get the fans on my TT-400.

BenDover, sorry to hear about your botched delivery, but once it's there, you'll feel great about it.

I will also have to disable the unused inputs; I will have to look up how to do that.

Slocko, what I remember reading (but I think it was in another forum) was that HDMI v.1.0 passes 2-channel audio along with video but not 5.1 audio. HDMI v.1.1 passes 5.1 audio -- you have to figure out what versions you have to see what passes or accepts what. That's what I seem to recall on that point.

Cheers!

I just got a Yamaha YSP-1 and wanted to hook it to the 006 via the optical output. In the manual it says the optical output only is active with digital channels as expected. But it seems that it will not output digital audio coming in from HDMI.

Does this optical output only work with the CableCard ? If so it won't be of use to me and I'll have to stick with the analog connection to the TV. Right now I have the optical cable between the YSP-1 and the Sci Atl 8300HD which works fine -- so the problem is not with the YSP-1.

PS -- don't flame me on the YSP-1, it is actually pretty respectable when used with a subwoofer, and the 006/YSP is not my high end home theater & audio setup.

I have been having problems with tiling or macroblocking on HD channels only. Comcast has been out 2 times and haven't fixed it. Tomorrow is their last chance. They are sending senior tech to calibrate the signal. What is really weird is that HD channels were working great when they were in 700's. When Comcast moved them to 200's several weeks ago, the problem started.

Has anyone tried the instructions on brt3's web site for determining number of bulb hours in the service menu?

I tried it but the screen they claim will appear when you follow the steps isn't the one I see.

Here is what you are supposed to do:

With the set off, Press display, channel 5, volume + and Power in this sequence and the set will turn on in the service menu. Then press the JUMP key on the remote 3 times, to take you to a service level menu running across the top of your screen. Then press the number 2 key 9 times and you are supposed to see a display with the number of bulb hours and the number of times the set has been turned on. I don't see that screen. Simply shut off the TV to get out of the service menu.

By the way, don't be scared trying this, since you can change the service menu settings ONLY if you press the mute key followed by the enter key to "write" changes to the service menu.


Here is a "cut and paste" of the exact directions:

The lamp and panel time are displayed as follows.
< Enter the service mode >
1. Press the keys of the remote commander in rapid sequence as follows,
when the set is in standby mode. (Press each button within a second.)
<DISPLAY> then < CHANNEL 5> then <VOLUME +> then <POWER>
2. Press the “JUMP” key [3 times]. This accesses the DE-micro service menu.
3. Press “2” key [9 times] to show the following display:

PANEL NVM OK 9 OPTION_E
0 LAMP O Diff 1
LampTM 14 LampCT 71

The screen above reads:
“Total lamp time is 14 hours” and
“Total lamp ON/OFF cycle is 71 times”

umr-

Did you notice if the overscan with HD material was "off" on the 006 you calibrated? Eliab noticed that the overscan with DVD material via a component connection to input 4, and tested with DVE's overscan pattern was a little off. However, the overscan with HD material using an overscan pattern generated by his Photo Research 650 was considerably off (HDMI connection to input 6). At my request he adjusted the overscan in the service menu (the user menu overscan control only moves the picture to the right) to optimize the HD picture, but since the Sony has one set of overscan controls for all scan rates, the DVD overscan is now much worse (the black bars on the side of 480i material are not equal in width, with the black bar to the left of the picture considerably wider than the black bar to the right of the picture. I've spoken to Eliab and he will walk me through the service menu correction later this week to return to something closer to the original overscan, but I'm curious if you saw any overscan issues.

By the way, the overscan was better than 5% all around, even with HD material, but was "off center" with HD material is probably the best way to describe it with the picture shifted towards the right and not centered. With non-HD material it was about 2.5% all around, but again slightly off center.


brt3 -

Does the service menu mention anything about adjusting overscan? I'm trying to find that command in the service menu. It might not be called "overscan", but something like "picture position"or something like that, instead.

What a disappointment...even had problems putting my equipment rack together so I couldn't at least enjoy some music (one of the legs on the rack was shipped with none of the holes threaded...took me twenty minutes to figure out why I couldn't get the damn screw in!)

OK, Joel. I am getting the fans with speed control, but no remote. I will use X10 for that. My Amp and proc run hot, and now I see how hot the 6412 is I am glad I got the fans.

Also, just go to inputs and remove unused ones. I had done that from the start so I would not have to cycle thru them. I even added one back when I installed the 6412.


Originally posted by Joel
Finally got the 880 software to load; I didn't uninstall 4.3 before installing 4.4 of the executable. I will try it tonight with the 006 and report.

Mpsan, I did not get the fans on my TT-400.

BenDover, sorry to hear about your botched delivery, but once it's there, you'll feel great about it.

I will also have to disable the unused inputs; I will have to look up how to do that.

Slocko, what I remember reading (but I think it was in another forum) was that HDMI v.1.0 passes 2-channel audio along with video but not 5.1 audio. HDMI v.1.1 passes 5.1 audio -- you have to figure out what versions you have to see what passes or accepts what. That's what I seem to recall on that point.

Cheers!

nhey,

I did not see any overscan issues on Ted's set on any input type. It is possible that some of your sources are pixel clipping and causing uneven performance.

Mine are still in the 700's, but even vh1 classic had some issues. Did you try to see the signal levels as I mentioned above and do you get it with both tuners? I find tuner 2 to be 3-4 db down from tuner one.


Originally posted by bernster2001
I have been having problems with tiling or macroblocking on HD channels only. Comcast has been out 2 times and haven't fixed it. Tomorrow is their last chance. They are sending senior tech to calibrate the signal. What is really weird is that HD channels were working great when they were in 700's. When Comcast moved them to 200's several weeks ago, the problem started.

Do any of the DRC settings do anything to a signal being sent to the TV at 1080i? Manual says no, but the settings are still availible in the menu when watching this signal. BN Smoother is not which matches the TV manual, but the manual says the same thing about DRC, and it's still in the menu.

-EDIT-

While watching the Yankee game on YES HD, I started playing around with the DRC Palette. I found a graphic during a segue between pitches that had a border that would start clipping when I put the "Reality" at 100. When I dropped it back down to 45, it stopped and I can confirm by playing back that signal from my PVR. So in 1080i, DRC Palette does in fact do something. Currently I have them set at

Cinemotion
DRC Reality = 45
DRC Clarity = 90

Still white letters on a dark moving background is the easiest place to tell. On the graphic that I found, the top line of pixels would start flashing if I crancked up "Reality" and would stop when brought back down.

Originally posted by Joel

I will also have to disable the unused inputs; I will have to look up how to do that.



Joel,

To get rid of unused inputs:
In the menu, go to SETUP.
Pick LABEL VIDEO INPUTS.
Press enter to go to PROGRAM.
Select the input you want to skip and press enter.
Scroll to SKIP and enter.

It is gone until you want to relabel it.

Originally posted by ekovalsky
I just got a Yamaha YSP-1 and wanted to hook it to the 006 via the optical output. In the manual it says the optical output only is active with digital channels as expected. But it seems that it will not output digital audio coming in from HDMI.

Does this optical output only work with the CableCard ? If so it won't be of use to me and I'll have to stick with the analog connection to the TV. Right now I have the optical cable between the YSP-1 and the Sci Atl 8300HD which works fine -- so the problem is not with the YSP-1.

PS -- don't flame me on the YSP-1, it is actually pretty respectable when used with a subwoofer, and the 006/YSP is not my high end home theater & audio setup.

I've got a YSP also but am using it in a slightly different way... I've got the 006 speakers hooked up so that my wife can easily turn on the set and watch TV without the YSP. Then I have the dvd player, dvhs unit, and 6412 all hooked up to the YSP via optical and coax digital inputs. The 880 fires everything up automatically, so it's all pretty transparent (I have separate 880 activities for the units outputting to the YSP or to the TV's speakers. I haven't tried the optical output from the 006 and probably never will.

Hey, the YSP performs pretty well with a good sub. I'm quite pleased.

Originally posted by 3deye
Hey, the YSP performs pretty well with a good sub. I'm quite pleased. [/B]

Yes, at the new pricing the YSP is a great value. I paid under $1k delivered.

We're having the 006 built into a custom wall unit, and we will not be able to have the TV speakers attached. So all sound will be coming from the YSP. I'll just use the analog and optical connections from the DVD player and HD-DVR. Obviously a universal remote will be required. No way will my wife tolerate four different remotes -- 006, YSP, DVD, HD-DVR -- to use the system and control volume !

Originally posted by 3deye
I've got the 006 speakers hooked up so that my wife can easily turn on the set and watch TV without the YSP...
I have a similar (but different) setup. I have the Q006 setup so my wife or daughter can switch it on and use it normally with the attached speakers. If I need to watch alone or late at night I switch the speakers off and use my AKG Hearo 999 (http://www.akg.com/products/powerslave,mynodeid,186,id,731,pid,731,_language,EN.html) wireless headphones. If you're careful with the setup these things sound great, and the surround is quite effective to boot. Highly recommended, and quite a bit less expensive than those Elitist QUALIA 010 phones... ;)

Originally posted by divedude
pepco,
About 5 hours on weeknights and 6-14 hours each weekend day.
Divedude, thats about same amount of hours My proven direct view 34 inch set is on.A lot of times it seems to be used as background noise like when I am on the computer. Glad to see the 006 is holding up (bulb mainly) with that amount of hours, thats really good news after reading about other brands having premature bulb failure. Glad to see you are not babying it.

FTL engines are spun up and the jump is a succes...my Q has jumped into my HT :)

Not much time other than to fire it up and check out the picture via my Cablevision SA8300HD box.

Tinkering will have to wait until this weekend although I'm sure I'm going to be up some late nights this week :) so maybe I'll get some done during the weeknights.

Waiting on Middle Atlantic to ship me out a new rail for my equipment rack so I haven't even set up my RX-Z9...will have to connect the Q's speakers and make due with them until this weekend.

Originally posted by slocko
i vaguely remember some talk here about hdmi not passing audio.

this weekend i was at a neighbor's house and they had a philly plasma hooked up to a S.A 8300 from cablevision via hdmi.

hdmi seemed to send both video and audio with no problems. the cable box was set to output audio via hdmi. he hadn't received his receiver yet, so i couldn't test if material with surround sound would have presented a problem.
Just to clarify: HDMI passes audio just fine. If you pass two-channel PCM sound via HDMI to the Qualia 006, it will play that audio on its own speakers just fine on both inputs 6 and 7.

The Qualia 006 does not play any sound at all when it receives Dolby Digital or DTS Surround via HDMI. How can it? It only has two speakers!

However, it would be nicer if it did some sort of down-mix or just playing the Left and Right front channels.

This is actually a dilemma I face now with my TiVo boxes: If I set them to output Dolby Digitial, many HD shows will be silent unless I also turn on the audio system. That complicates things for Mrs. Zechman. OTOH, if I turn off DD, then, well, I don' t have Dolby Digital . . . .

--Dwayne

Dwayne

If your TIVO box has left right audio outputs that stay active and doesn't have to be reselected if DD is active, you can run your DD to your receiver/preamp and the left right output to your 006.

Originally posted by ekovalsky
I just got a Yamaha YSP-1 and wanted to hook it to the 006 via the optical output. In the manual it says the optical output only is active with digital channels as expected. But it seems that it will not output digital audio coming in from HDMI.

Does this optical output only work with the CableCard ? If so it won't be of use to me and I'll have to stick with the analog connection to the TV. Right now I have the optical cable between the YSP-1 and the Sci Atl 8300HD which works fine -- so the problem is not with the YSP-1.
You're right. The Qualia 006 does not pass digital audio that comes in via HDMI back out via the digital audio out. The digital audio output is there to output digital audio that is received by the set's internal tuner via antenna, and (I think) via cable and CableCard. I don't use CC, so I can't verify that. DiveDude?

(EDIT: manfredc confirms that digital audio from CableCard does get sent out via the optical audio output.)

Again, because the TV doesn't process any kind of surround sound, I kinda wish it did also pass HDMI-fed digital audio back out via that output.

--Dwayne

Originally posted by JimP
Dwayne

If your TIVO box has left right audio outputs that stay active and doesn't have to be reselected if DD is active, you can run your DD to your receiver/preamp and the left right output to your 006.
Actually, I had tried this early on using input 6. But if you select DD and play a show that has DD audio, you still get no sound on the Q006's speakers. Either:
1) the regular analog audio outputs of the HDTiVo dont stay active in this instance, or
2) the Q006 is ignoring the analog audio inputs of input 6 when digital audio is present, even though it can't process that digital audio.
I'm didn't fully test to see which it was yet.

--Dwayne

Originally posted by BenDover
What a disappointment...even had problems putting my equipment rack together so I couldn't at least enjoy some music (one of the legs on the rack was shipped with none of the holes threaded...took me twenty minutes to figure out why I couldn't get the damn screw in!)
Ben,

Hmm, looks like you went with Infinity Beta 50, C360, and CSW10--same as what I have! :cool:

--Dwayne

Originally posted by Zechman
Ben,

Hmm, looks like you went with Infinity Beta 50, C360, and CSW10--same as what I have! :cool:

--Dwayne

Yep, and 4 ES250s and two OWS1s (for the Yamaha "presence" channels).


damn, it is really hard leaving this thing...but i must go :(

I used three ES250's for the surrounds, but the one in the center is bi-wired and set up as if it is two separate speakers for the "surround rear" channels of a 7.1 setup.

For those of you who are wondering what I'm talking about, have a look:
Infinity Beta Series (http://www.infinitysystems.com/homeaudio/series.aspx?SerId=BET)
Infinity Beta ES250 (http://www.infinitysystems.com/homeaudio/product_detail.aspx?prod=BETAES250BK)

--Dwayne

Thanks for the input disable tips. However, I no longer need them as my Harmony 880 just goes right to the correct input! :D Yep, finally got it to work, and now it works great. It was a pain to get going, but it really does a nice job. You can directly access the video input, which is very nice and makes me wonder why the Sony remote doesn't let you do that.

Cheers

Joel, I had a similar situation with my Samsung DLP; it too forced you to cycle through inputs whereas the Harmony remotes simply take you directly there! Go figure...

Glad to hear you stuck it out and are now enjoying the Harmony...they really are priceless given their price/performance :)

Just when is the release date when all of the web sites will have the 880 in stock?


Originally posted by BenDover
Joel, I had a similar situation with my Samsung DLP; it too forced you to cycle through inputs whereas the Harmony remotes simply take you directly there! Go figure...

Glad to hear you stuck it out and are now enjoying the Harmony...they really are priceless given their price/performance :)

Originally posted by pepco
Divedude, thats about same amount of hours My proven direct view 34 inch set is on.A lot of times it seems to be used as background noise like when I am on the computer. Glad to see the 006 is holding up (bulb mainly) with that amount of hours, thats really good news after reading about other brands having premature bulb failure. Glad to see you are not babying it.

pepco,
I thought I was babying the 006. :D The 65" HD Mit I replaced was on from 8am until midnight everyday, but I never really watched it during the day . . . just background noise like you said. But I decided the bulbs cost too much for background noise, so I now use a small TV on my computer table for that purpose and watch the BIG BOY Q for the good stuff.

I heard June 10 (but that was awhile back). Rumor has it that BB released the 880s before they were supposed to, and Logitech has been scrambling on the support front.

Cheers

Originally posted by Zechman
The digital audio output is there to output digital audio that is received by the set's internal tuner via antenna, and (I think) via cable and CableCard. I don't use CC, so I can't verify that. DiveDude?


Zechman,
I think you are right that the optical out will pass digital audio output from all internal tuners, but I do not have CableCard either. I have HDTivo and love it.

Great...now I have the 6412 Remote, too. I have to do something!!

Originally posted by Joel
I heard June 10 (but that was awhile back). Rumor has it that BB released the 880s before they were supposed to, and Logitech has been scrambling on the support front.

Cheers

Originally posted by mpsan
Great...now I have the 6412 Remote, too. I have to do something!!

don't you have a BB by you? if they don't have anymore 880's, just get whatever model Harmony they have and then exchange it for the 880 when they have it...

Originally posted by 3deye
Greetings Qualioids...

My installation was finished last week... the five pieces of built-in furniture, repainting, walling over two windows behind the 006, new awning on the outside deck to reduce glare, etc etc. The unit fits into the corner like a glove... and contains an 006, Yamaha YSP-1, REL sub, Sony 975 dvd, JVC30k dvhs, comcast 6412 (in addition to the built-in CC), and the all-important idealume bias light with handy-dandy remote control (waiting on the 880). Everything's neat and tidy with a fabulous WAF. Netflix has been delivery a steady supply of heroi.. er, I mean films. What more can I say? Perhaps that I've purchased my share of items in my day, electronics, cars, cameras, etc... and I'm more satisfied with the 006 than I've been with any other purchase. I haven't found a nit to pick yet. (Well, maybe that my guitar practice time has taken a very severe hit.)

So... I'm very grateful to you all for helping me out with all of my questions, and for turning me onto such great toys as the JVC (I have about 20 of those IMAX nature films on tape now, and my 4yrold is nuts for those).

I just need to get a little more exercise.

Enjoy!

An update: Damaged 006 delivered last Wednesday; replacement delivered today in apparently perfect shape. I've just started to gaze at this thing. HDTV (Comcast) is amazing, even better than I expected or hoped.

I had a local home theatre company (Audio Arts in Saratoga, Bay Area CA) handle the installation for me. They ripped out my old Marantz WallVision II (hard to believe that six years ago, that blew me away) and handled the construction work to turn the residual hole in the wall into a suitable home for the 006. The installer had never seen an 006; he, too, was blown away by the picture. Audio Arts is doing a great job, by the way, and I would recommend them without hesitation.

Anyway, I'm estatic to be part of this family and appreciate all the tips and information posted here. I understand about half of what is posted but hope to get less ignorant as quickly as possible.

PS: I'm still waiting to hear from Sony re: a refund for the original damaged set. I'll give it a few more days.

divedude: How much would you pay for a waterproof underwater Qualia?

Originally posted by Artwood
divedude: How much would you pay for a waterproof underwater Qualia?
Y'know, using water-cooling for the bulb would be a lot more efficient! :D

--Dwayne

Originally posted by divedude
Zechman,
I think you are right that the optical out will pass digital audio output from all internal tuners, but I do not have CableCard either. I have HDTivo and love it.
My bad, DD. Somehow I had it in my head that you were using CableCard.

Some "unofficial thread historian" I turned out to be! :rolleyes:

Anyone else out there using CableCard? Do you get digital audio from the Q006's optical out?

--Dwayne

Wow.....been gone working for a bit and look at how many pages have been added. Gotta stay up for hours tonight just catching up. Missed the Qualia but now back with my baby. Picture looks as good as I remember........still slackjawed in front of her.

Moved the couch closer to about 9 ft.........damn near perfect distance for me. Awesome.

Originally posted by Zechman
My bad, DD. Somehow I had it in my head that you were using CableCard.

Some "unofficial thread historian" I turned out to be! :rolleyes:

Anyone else out there using CableCard? Do you get digital audio from the Q006's optical out?

--Dwayne

I am using Cable Card (Adelphia) and getting digital audio out from there HD channels but no sound from analog channels (dont watch them ever).

Originally posted by Zechman
Y'know, using water-cooling for the bulb would be a lot more efficient! :D

--Dwayne


Until it starts leaking. Some of the CRT rear projection manufacturers were using a liquid cooled system on the CRTs. It was some kind of glycol solution. Worked fine until some of them started leaking onto the circuit boards. Not only did you have to fix the cooling leak, but you'd be into it for the cost of replacing circuit boards as well. Probably a poor design that could be improved upon. On the upside, if you remove air circulation for cooling purposes, you could probably reduce the dust problems that appear on many sets (not the 006 so far).

So what is the dead pixel policy on these things? I think I have one, maybe two "black" pixels. Can't see it unless you are inches away from the screen...serves me right for "looking" for defects :)

Seriously, I remember this being discussed a while back but searched and can't find the post(s). Did this get resolved? Can this be rectified with a swap out of the light engine?

BenDover

If what you see are "black" then its probably dust. A dead pixel would show up as a combination of the other two colors (i.e. red green, green blue, blue red,) By the way, quit sniffing the pixels. ;-)

Originally posted by JimP
BenDover

If what you see are "black" then its probably dust. A dead pixel would show up as a combination of the other two colors (i.e. red green, green blue, blue red,) By the way, quit sniffing the pixels. ;-)


Jim,
Thanks for the feedback and now I do recall discussions about dust, but how can we be certain of this? I've read about definitions of dead pixels as they relate to lcd technology and I do recall black being one of the manifestations.

Maybe more importantly, isn't the default state of the pixels on the q black suggesting that if a pixel is dead, black would be one manifestation?


You are right, I should stop sniffing pixels:)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 3deye
[B]Greetings Qualioids...

My installation was finished last week... the five pieces of built-in furniture, repainting, walling over two windows behind the 006, new awning on the outside deck to reduce glare, etc etc. The unit fits into the corner like a glove... and contains an 006, Yamaha YSP-1, REL sub, Sony 975 dvd, JVC30k dvhs, comcast 6412 (in addition to the built-in CC), and the all-important idealume bias light with handy-dandy remote control (waiting on the 880). Everything's neat and tidy with a fabulous WAF. Netflix has been delivery a steady supply of heroi.. er, I mean films. What more can I say? Perhaps that I've purchased my share of items in my day, electronics, cars, cameras, etc... and I'm more satisfied with the 006 than I've been with any other purchase. I haven't found a nit to pick yet. (Well, maybe that my guitar practice time has taken a very severe hit.)

So... I'm very grateful to you all for helping me out with all of my questions, and for turning me onto such great toys as the JVC (I have about 20 of those IMAX nature films on tape now, and my 4yrold is nuts for those).














3deye - the IMAX films - can they be played on the Sony 975 or do they require a Microsoft windows media hig def vidio computer attachment?


Marc

BenDover,

My understanding of an LCD rear projector is that you are actually seeing 3 LCD panels overlay the images they produce. A dead pixel in any of the three colors would give you the remaining two colors. I think SXRD basically would follow the same technique.

LCD flat panels are a different animal and with those, you would probably see black on a dead pixel.

Clear as mud??

Dead pixels are not the whole picture. I like stuck as an analogy. Pixels can be stuck off, on or somewhere in between. They also may not all have the same black point. The best way to find them is on a full screen primary or black screen. I would not encourage looking for them if you don't want to find problems. Three panel devices like LCD and SXRD are unlikely to have black pixels. Dust is more likely if a black spot appears.

Originally posted by JimP
BenDover,

My understanding of an LCD rear projector is that you are actually seeing 3 LCD panels overlay the images they produce. A dead pixel in any of the three colors would give you the remaining two colors. I think SXRD basically would follow the same technique.

LCD flat panels are a different animal and with those, you would probably see black on a dead pixel.

Clear as mud??

You are right in that what I was referring to was a typical flat panel LCD; e.g., computer screen.

What you say makes sense, but how is it that the dust would fall solely in a single pixels boundaries? While the pixel structure is almost non-existent looking at the Q, if you get real close, close enought to smell 'em :), you can see the faint borders of the pixel and what I am seeing is exactly one of those blackened, completely. No partial blackening and no "cross-border" blackening.

I certainly can live with the single blip (maybe two, I have to look at it again; I noticed it when I was scanning channels (which took forever, as forewarned by the Q) and the screen was all gray) but if there aren't supposed to be any and Sony is willing to do something about it, I don't want to wait on it and then regret not having it rectified immediately.

Thanks for you help and insight.

A black pixel is more likely a problem with the electronics than a panel problem if it is not dust. This has been observed with some sources as well.

Originally posted by umr
Dead pixels are not the whole picture. I like stuck as an analogy. Pixels can be stuck off, on or somewhere in between. They also may not all have the same black point. The best way to find them is on a full screen primary or black screen. I would not encourage looking for them if you don't want to find problems.


I wasn't looking purposely, just happened to walk up on the set while I had a full gray screen and the offending pixel was just about eye level. :D

So what would cause a pixel to be stuck off? I presume it would be at some point in the light path subsequent to the three LCOS, excuse me, SXRD, panels where the light is recombined?

Originally posted by umr
A black pixel is more likely a problem with the electronics than a panel problem if it is not dust. This has been observed with some sources as well.

Thanks umr.

You know, before I damn the Q for being at fault, I should verify with another source. It could be my SA8300HD box that is the culprit. When I had VOOM, every now and again a pixel or two would light up white hot and stay that way; initially I thought it was one of the mirrors in the DLP, but then quickly discovered pressing the "guide" button and then exiting the guide "unstuck" the pixel...so clearly, it was the VOOM box at fault.

Originally posted by BenDover
...So what would cause a pixel to be stuck off? I presume it would be at some point in the light path subsequent to the three LCOS, excuse me, SXRD, panels where the light is recombined?

Already answered above. It is highly (probably impossible) unlikely an obstruction is going to be present in the light path that exactly matches the pixel structure for all three panels in the same location.

Originally posted by umr
Already answered above. It is highly (probably impossible) unlikely an obstruction is going to be present in the light path that exactly matches the pixel structure for all three panels in the same location.

Right, I was referring to the electronics/mechanicals, or whatever comes after the three panels, which controls the light output of a single pixel.

Originally posted by BenDover
Right, I was referring to the electronics/mechanicals, or whatever comes after the three panels, which controls the light output of a single pixel.

There is nothing after the three panels that controls the light output of a single pixel. The iris is the only thing after the panels that effects the light output and it effects the whole image.

These sets use sub-pixels (red, green, blue) to build a single pixel. Each panel has separate cabling and driver circuitry. The only way I see that this can be a problem other than processing is if there is a manufacturing flaw in the panel circuitry that is present in each chip at that location. I would expect that kind of flaw to be present on multiple Qualia's.

Well, last night I pre-ordered the Sony DHG-HDD500 from the SonyStyle website. Even later last night I ordered the Denon 3910. This morning I cancelled the Sony preorder :) (I'm going to take a wait and see approach on this unit and I don't like many aspects of what is being offered so I can't justify the large expense when my two Cablevision-provided DVR's seem to be doing just fine for now and I can connect external SATA drives to increase their capacity.)

Hopefully the 3910 and the Q make a good team, at least until I fall victim to the "bug" temptation. Another primary reason for me picking up the 3910 is the iLink out for audio (SACD and DVD-Audio) as my receiver accepts this input. SACD and DVD-Audio will soon be defunct I imagine given the HiDef DVD formats' high resolution audio specifications, but I still have a few titles in my collection that would just beg to be played.

OT:

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000207042953/

I can check. I do believe someone on another forum even bought one near me. Not sure if they pricematched, however.


Originally posted by BenDover
don't you have a BB by you? if they don't have anymore 880's, just get whatever model Harmony they have and then exchange it for the 880 when they have it...

Originally posted by marcsmul
3deye - the IMAX films - can they be played on the Sony 975 or do they require a Microsoft windows media hig def vidio computer attachment?
Marc [/B]

I'm recording the InHD 1080i stuff (along with other material from HBO/Show/Max/Starz, DiscoveryHD, etc) on the JVC 40k DVHS deck from the Comcast 6412. This is facilitated by the 1394 port on both units, so copying from the 6412 to the 40k is brain-damaged simple. You can get 2.5hrs on a $7 tape, which is about $2 per Imax film.

3deye...Can the JVC 40K only record HD from ilink? I mean, the main use would be saving "stuff" recorded from the 6412, correct?

I ask as Vanns is showing them at a VERY low price!

P.S. Is $7 a mail order price? Seems a bit high, although I have not bought S-VHS tape in a long while.




Originally posted by 3deye
I'm recording the InHD 1080i stuff (along with other material from HBO/Show/Max/Starz, DiscoveryHD, etc) on the JVC 40k DVHS deck from the Comcast 6412. This is facilitated by the 1394 port on both units, so copying from the 6412 to the 40k is brain-damaged simple. You can get 2.5hrs on a $7 tape, which is about $2 per Imax film.

Originally posted by mpsan
3deye...Can the JVC 40K only record HD from ilink? I mean, the main use would be saving "stuff" recorded from the 6412, correct?

I ask as Vanns is showing them at a VERY low price!

P.S. Is $7 a mail order price? Seems a bit high, although I have not bought S-VHS tape in a long while.
Yes, I only use the JVC to record and play back 1080i, and ilink is required to do that.

I bought mine from Vanns also... very cheap for that kind of technology.

Re dvhs tapes... www.taperesources.com has the cheapest dvhs on the net, that I know of. You get the $7/ea price when you buy by the case. Although an SVHS tape _can_ be modified to record DVHS, the stock for DVHS is more robust and I recommend it due to the potential for many dropouts with SVHS.

Great, except that we need to record in real time. Except, can we have the 6412 on (which I always do) and have the 40K record 6412 output. I assume the 40k has a timer. I don't know much about it (or Vanns for that matter).

I just can see how fast the 6412's are going to fill up!

Originally posted by 3deye
Yes, I only use the JVC to record and play back 1080i, and ilink is required to do that.

I bought mine from Vanns also... very cheap for that kind of technology.

Re dvhs tapes... www.taperesources.com has the cheapest dvhs on the net, that I know of. You get the $7/ea price when you buy by the case. Although an SVHS tape _can_ be modified to record DVHS, the stock for DVHS is more robust and I recommend it due to the potential for many dropouts with SVHS.

Thank you for the tape link as well. They are df-300's I think. Do you use df-420's?

Originally posted by 3deye
Yes, I only use the JVC to record and play back 1080i, and ilink is required to do that.

I bought mine from Vanns also... very cheap for that kind of technology.

Re dvhs tapes... www.taperesources.com has the cheapest dvhs on the net, that I know of. You get the $7/ea price when you buy by the case. Although an SVHS tape _can_ be modified to record DVHS, the stock for DVHS is more robust and I recommend it due to the potential for many dropouts with SVHS.

Originally posted by BenDover

Hopefully the 3910 and the Q make a good team, at least until I fall victim to the "bug" temptation. Another primary reason for me picking up the 3910 is the iLink out for audio (SACD and DVD-Audio) as my receiver accepts this input. SACD and DVD-Audio will soon be defunct I imagine given the HiDef DVD formats' high resolution audio specifications, but I still have a few titles in my collection that would just beg to be played.

BD,
Please double check this. I've heard from my dealer when I was shopping for a receiver that the 3910's iLink for some reason only works with Denon receivers. So if this is true, then I hope your receiver is a Denon brand. BTW, I have the 3910 and it works beautifully with the Q006. Just make sure that it does BTB. You will be able to confirm this by looking at the box and looking for 2 or 3 dots that are supposed to be colored in black. You can find more info on this at the "Denon 3910 Owner's Thread".

Originally posted by kaduku
BD,
Please double check this. I've heard from my dealer when I was shopping for a receiver that the 3910's iLink for some reason only works with Denon receivers. So if this is true, then I hope your receiver is a Denon brand. BTW, I have the 3910 and it works beautifully with the Q006. Just make sure that it does BTB. You will be able to confirm this by looking at the box and looking for 2 or 3 dots that are supposed to be colored in black. You can find more info on this at the "Denon 3910 Owner's Thread".

well, they have the proprietary dlink connector that only works with denon receivers and is essentially their version of ilink, but it also has an ilink port.

[EDIT: I just searched the owner's thread and found a couple of posters who have my combo, i.e., Yamaha RX-Z9 receiver and Denon 3910. They are using the iLink connection without issue...whew!]


i will know for sure shortly :)

Originally posted by BenDover
well, they have the proprietary dlink connector that only works with denon receivers and is essentially their version of ilink, but it also has an ilink port.

[EDIT: I just searched the owner's thread and found a couple of posters who have my combo, i.e., Yamaha RX-Z9 receiver and Denon 3910. They are using the iLink connection without issue...whew!]


i will know for sure shortly :)

Yes, I was talking about the iLink, and not the dlink. Good to hear that the Yamaha and 3910 works. I think it was the Pioneer 56txi that did not work with 3910.

Kaduku,

I take it then that the 3910 does not exhibit MB issues with the Q?

Originally posted by BenDover
Kaduku,

I take it then that the 3910 does not exhibit MB issues with the Q?

Well, remember I am just an av wanabe, so I'm not sure what I am talking about, but sometimes yes from what I am reading on the owner's thread. I guess I do sometimes see it, but doesn't it depend on the dvd transfer. Otherwise, it produces a great picture. I had the Pioneer 59avi, though a great player, I thought the 3910 performed slightly better.

Originally posted by Artwood
divedude: How much would you pay for a waterproof underwater Qualia?

Artwood,
Are you referring to a housing for the Qualia HD video camera or a housing for the 006. If you are talking about a housing for the 006, I would need to also hire 4 large divers to swim it around underwater for me ;)

For all you Qualians who are considering the Algolith Dragonfly/Mosquito combo:

Algolith Dragonfly/Mosquito Special (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=538182&highlight=dragonfly)

I'm starting to think that it might be cheaper, and make more sense, to simply wait for the HiDef DVD player (whatever format...) and then repurchase my DVD collection, selling off my old DVDs. :)

I am quite impressed at how good SD (whether analog or digital) looks on the Q...I was expecting the worse but instead got more than I could have hoped for...

Originally posted by mpsan
Thank you for the tape link as well. They are df-300's I think. Do you use df-420's?

I use the df-300's. Since tape is not a random access medium, shuttling around is a major PITA and the shorter tapes are just more convenient for me.

And yes, the 40k does have a timer, and you can also use ilink from the 006 to feed it directly.

What do you guys think of this claim?

"OTHER SHOW STOPPERS: DLP micro-display developer Texas Instruments staged a "shoot out" between a forthcoming, 71-inch Samsung 1080p DLP rear-projection television, to be priced around $6,500, and a much-heralded Sony Qualia 70-inch set that uses a rival micro-display technology (SXRD) and sells for $11,000 to $13,000 - if you can find a dealer who actually has one.

The comparative picture quality of the two TVs was this close. In one freeze-frame test pattern comparison, the DLP model showed significantly less image ringing."

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/living/11603429.htm

Any comments? I find it hard to believe, especially since TI was in charge.

Originally posted by BenDover
I'm starting to think that it might be cheaper, and make more sense, to simply wait for the HiDef DVD player (whatever format...) and then repurchase my DVD collection, selling off my old DVDs. :)

I am quite impressed at how good SD (whether analog or digital) looks on the Q...I was expecting the worse but instead got more than I could have hoped for...

My first post - got my Q Tuesday nite. SD looked pretty good. I was surprised I could pull in HD straight off my cable. Got a 6412 last night. SD looks terrible. Now a splitter allows me to watch HD from the 6412, and analog SD just fine off the Q tuner. Is the analog tuner in the 6412 that bad?

reincarnate

I'm looking forward to seeing the Samsung 1080p set. But if the only test that TI can show it's chip superiority to the SXRD is ringing (which can easily be sharpness set too high) then I doubt that its got much else going for it, otherwise they would be quoting those test as well.

On the positive side, the release of a 1080i Samsung will hopefully lower the price of the 006.

Originally posted by Zechman
Just to clarify: HDMI passes audio just fine. If you pass two-channel PCM sound via HDMI to the Qualia 006, it will play that audio on its own speakers just fine on both inputs 6 and 7.

The Qualia 006 does not play any sound at all when it receives Dolby Digital or DTS Surround via HDMI. How can it? It only has two speakers!

However, it would be nicer if it did some sort of down-mix or just playing the Left and Right front channels.

This is actually a dilemma I face now with my TiVo boxes: If I set them to output Dolby Digitial, many HD shows will be silent unless I also turn on the audio system. That complicates things for Mrs. Zechman. OTOH, if I turn off DD, then, well, I don' t have Dolby Digital . . . .

--Dwayne

I ran HDMI from Sony 975 to the Q and played a DVD I thought was Dolby 5.1, and got sound from the Q. Is the 975 maybe not passing 5.1?

Originally posted by jitguy
I ran HDMI from Sony 975 to the Q and played a DVD I thought was Dolby 5.1, and got sound from the Q. Is the 975 maybe not passing 5.1?
Can't say for sure as I'm one of the few here that doesn't have a 975, but I suspect that this means the 975, as you have it configured, is not sending DD via HDMI.

After looking at the manual for it a bit, I see there are a number of settings (Surround Mode, Speaker Setup, etc.) that can certainly cause the 975 to downmix.

--Dwayne

Maybe Sony got wind of our concern/confusion over the issue of "burn-in" with the Q; they don't list the Q's technology as one subject to burn-in, yet they don't also go out of there way to affirmatively dispell the notion the way they do for LCD. Nevertheless, I'm confident there are absolutely no burn-in issues with SXRD/LCOS.

Burn-in (http://www.iq.sony.com/srvs/autoresponsev4.asp?id=216618)

Originally posted by brt3
For all you Qualians who are considering the Algolith Dragonfly/Mosquito combo:

Algolith Dragonfly/Mosquito Special (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=538182&highlight=dragonfly)
Ray,
How about summarizing (for all late comers) --what you hope to achieve with this *bug combo* as hooked up to the 006 so that everyone here can get up to speed on this subject…..as I think you are probably very early in the purchasing queue.
Perhaps also detail the sources you plan on connecting to it.:)

Originally posted by BenDover
I'm confident there are absolutely no burn-in issues with SXRD/LCOS.



I hope so! My 10 yr old son has been playing alot since I've connected his xBox on my Q006.

Originally posted by kaduku
I hope so! My 10 yr old son has been playing alot since I've connected his xBox on my Q006.

He must be the most popular kid on the block! I can only imagine the scene, Halo2 on a life-like, 70" screen :)

Hey guys,

Happy to see all the new (I've lost count) wavers. Things seem to be sailing along as everyone is enjoying their Q006s (at least for the next two weeks, before repeats begin :D)

I've read the posts from umr regarding a better picture via iLink. I've read the posts from Penton-Man regarding the new Sony Blu-Ray players having iLink. There have been suggestions connecting the future Blu-Ray player to the Q006 via iLink will be the way to get the best picture.

With me so far? I'm also aware you don't get any of the menus (graphical) over iLink with a DVHS player, or cable box, I believe.

My question is (Penton-Man, colorTV or ?) is there any reason to believe the Sony Blu-Ray player menu will be visible if connected to the Q006 via iLink?

Does anyone know why we currently can't see menus when connecting our components to the Q006 via iLink? Is it just that the DVHS or cable box doesn't transmit menus via iLink or is iLink incapable of transmitting menus?

OK, my wife did like the price of the 40k, but said she would have a hard time going back to tape!! I also agree!

Originally posted by 3deye
I use the df-300's. Since tape is not a random access medium, shuttling around is a major PITA and the shorter tapes are just more convenient for me.

And yes, the 40k does have a timer, and you can also use ilink from the 006 to feed it directly.

YES! But, help may be on the way when Comcast sends Digital on the SD channels.

Originally posted by jitguy
My first post - got my Q Tuesday nite. SD looked pretty good. I was surprised I could pull in HD straight off my cable. Got a 6412 last night. SD looks terrible. Now a splitter allows me to watch HD from the 6412, and analog SD just fine off the Q tuner. Is the analog tuner in the 6412 that bad?

Originally posted by BenDover
He must be the most popular kid on the block! I can only imagine the scene, Halo2 on a life-like, 70" screen :)
Oh yeah, it is definitely a thing of beauty! :cool:

So I guess I must be the most popular kid on my block, too. :D

--Dwayne

P.S. But for overall beauty, I'd have to give the nod to SSX 3.

Originally posted by 3deye
I use the df-300's. Since tape is not a random access medium, shuttling around is a major PITA and the shorter tapes are just more convenient for me.

And yes, the 40k does have a timer, and you can also use ilink from the 006 to feed it directly.

Have you figured a way to use the program timer when recording via iLink input to the JVC ? I have a 30K and when trying to use the timer to record your choices are the NTSC tuner channels, L1 or L2 and F1.

Stew

Q006 and the DirecTV HD Tivo(HR10-250). As I reported earlier, I purchased the HR10-250 to go with my Q006 because of the superiority of the Tivo software user interface, compared to the SA 8300HD. I also found that the HD picture on the HR10-250 via the HDMI connection had a more 3-D appearance than the component cables, and SD was truly exceptional--the best I have seen on an HDTV from any source. I later reported that my HDMI connection failed (picture became "posterized", or looked like one were looking through about 10 feet of water); and that this was a frequently reported problem on the Tivo Community Forum. My HR10-250 had a post-Jan 2005 manufacturing date, so it was not supposed to have the HDMI card mechanical seating problem of the early models. But, again on the Tivo Community Forum, some were speculating that the latest software download (the "f" version) was introducing an incompatibility with certain TV sets. Another Q006 owner reported the same problem as mine on that forum. After the usual "dance" with Direc TV, I got a new replacement HR10-250 and , after activation, removed the telephone connection so that the HR10-250 will not install the "f" download. It's been about a week, since then, and the HDMI connection is still working. Suggestion: Until we learn otherwise, any Q006 owners adding the HR10-250 should prevent instalation of the "f" software update until we hear that Direc TV has resolved the problem (mayby never, given the orphan status of the HR10-250). This is all circumstantial--I lost my HDMI connection the first time coincident with the "f" instalation and I haven't lost it yet while preventing the "f" upgrade. If anything different happens, I'll report back. Ted

Ted99-

FWIW, Both of my HD TiVo's have the "f" update and are connected via HDMI cables, one to the Q006, the other to a Sony plasma. Both are working fine. However, I have experienced the HDMI issue you describe and it was resolved by replacement of the HD TiVo by DirecTV.

I know there is a thread of people in the TiVo community that have had their HDMI cards apparently go bad with the "f" update, so it appears to be more than coincidence, but I wanted to share my status.

Most of the un Qualia people in the world have had to deal with incompatability problems for years and every time they're posted on the HDTV recorders forum they get excoriated by all the MPAA apologists. Maybe if enough Qualia people raise Cain they can get more done on the incompatability front. Qualia owners are just learning that alot of times the display IS NOT the problem--the cable or satellite provider or DVR manufacturer is and that provider is controlled by Hollywood!

Originally posted by Artwood
Most of the un Qualia people in the world have had to deal with incompatability problems for years and every time they're posted on the HDTV recorders forum they get excoriated by all the MPAA apologists. Maybe if enough Qualia people raise Cain they can get more done on the incompatability front. Qualia owners are just learning that alot of times the display IS NOT the problem--the cable or satellite provider or DVR manufacturer is and that provider is controlled by Hollywood!

9/10 times, at least, when something goes wrong, you can easily give the evil eye to the cheap hardware that comes from the satellite and ESPECIALLY the cable companies.

Originally posted by Ted99
Q006 and the DirecTV HD Tivo(HR10-250). As I reported earlier, I purchased the HR10-250 to go with my Q006 because of the superiority of the Tivo software user interface, compared to the SA 8300HD. I also found that the HD picture on the HR10-250 via the HDMI connection had a more 3-D appearance than the component cables, and SD was truly exceptional--the best I have seen on an HDTV from any source. I later reported that my HDMI connection failed (picture became "posterized", or looked like one were looking through about 10 feet of water); and that this was a frequently reported problem on the Tivo Community Forum. My HR10-250 had a post-Jan 2005 manufacturing date, so it was not supposed to have the HDMI card mechanical seating problem of the early models. But, again on the Tivo Community Forum, some were speculating that the latest software download (the "f" version) was introducing an incompatibility with certain TV sets. Another Q006 owner reported the same problem as mine on that forum. After the usual "dance" with Direc TV, I got a new replacement HR10-250 and , after activation, removed the telephone connection so that the HR10-250 will not install the "f" download. It's been about a week, since then, and the HDMI connection is still working. Suggestion: Until we learn otherwise, any Q006 owners adding the HR10-250 should prevent instalation of the "f" software update until we hear that Direc TV has resolved the problem (mayby never, given the orphan status of the HR10-250). This is all circumstantial--I lost my HDMI connection the first time coincident with the "f" instalation and I haven't lost it yet while preventing the "f" upgrade. If anything different happens, I'll report back. Ted

I have the 'f' update, and have been running the HDMI to the Qualia for a month without issue.

Something I noticed last night while watching HD from my local cable company (Cablevision) using the SA8300HD, the picture would blink/flash every 5 seconds or so. I think I managed to duplicate the issue. It appears to happen sometimes when going from an analog station to the digital station. Changing the channel to another digital station didn't remedy the issue, but, changing to an analog station and then back to a digital station fixed the issue.

Any other Cablevision subscribers using a SA8300HD with their Q experience this? editor58?

I hope this isn't a regular occurrence.

Originally posted by thestewman
Have you figured a way to use the program timer when recording via iLink input to the JVC ? I have a 30K and when trying to use the timer to record your choices are the NTSC tuner channels, L1 or L2 and F1.

Stew

The only thing I use the dvhs unit for is backing up material from the 6412, which I do manually. I've never touched the timer.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
How about summarizing (for all late comers) -- what you hope to achieve with this *bug combo*... Perhaps also detail the sources you plan on connecting to it.:)

PM,

My goal is to improve SD sources (which means, in my case, making SD Comcast watchable) and take HD to a higher level. Compression artifacts are rampant on cable, even on HD content -- I am disgusted by how often you see block artifacts on HD content with fast motion, pans, or transitions. I plan to use the combo with SD cable, HD cable, and DVD. I also use DVHS, but will be surprised if this is improved very much, as I have few quibbles about DVHS PQ.

To summarize the improvements offered by the combo I shall defer to the noble words of editor58, who I paraphrase below:

"The Algolith Dragonfly is a deinterlacer, scaler and cadence corrector with some noise reduction (Standard Definition (SD) Mosquito noise reduction, a reduced version of what is offered in the Mosquito product). The Mosquito is a compression artifact Noise reducer – it does not do any scaling, deinterlacing or cadence correction. To optimize picture quality you need to combine the two. This combo offers the best picture: you get maximum compressed noise reduction in SD and HD, as well as Block artifact reduction, edge detection, and improved sharpness from the Mosquito (giving added depth of field in both SD and HD), while the Dragonfly uses the power of the Teranex software algorithms for deinterlacing, scaling and cadence correction.

De-interlacing is the hardest part of signal processing. Once you accomplish de-interlacing the scaling is the easy part, and the Dragonfly does this far better than Faroudja. Since the SiliconOptix Realta chip is capable of over 3 Trillion instructions per second it cleans video and applies CNR (codec noise reduction) at the pixel level. What does this mean? If a pixel doesn’t need processing, it doesn’t get it. The algorithm detects motion, and leaves that alone too because otherwise you’ll get smearing. The processing is applicable up to 2K pixels width, so those of us with QUALIA 006’s and enhanced 1920x1080 resolution will achieve stunning results. The 10-bit diagonal interpolator removes any “jaggies” and stair-stepping artifacts from de-interlaced video sources without blurring the image. This was apparent during some FOX/NASCAR video that we were shown. The video was from a flat sky on an overcast race day, and while the noise levels were low and didn’t need a lot of the Realta’s power the video was smooth and easy on the eyes. To my eyes it was clear that the de-interlacing and output to 1080p was an outstanding result.

The Mosquito was also quite impressive. Analog SD broadcasting is the bane of all digital TV’s, serving up mosquito noise, MPEG garbage of every proportion, and broadcast noise. What the Mosquito offers is a delicious way to return your video content (even if it’s HD) to a pristine picture free of artifacts. We have all seen that high motion HD content is not free from Block Pixelization due to bandwidth constraints. As more HD content becomes available the delivery pipe is only going to get smaller. If this is an indication of things to come the Mosquito will become a necessity; right now it’s a luxury that should be part of every serious videophile’s system. On various video formats from WMV, MPEG 1 and 2, SD and HD output in 720p, the Mosquito delivered on every level. Noise reduction was outstanding – pixel tearing and motion block artifacts were gone.

The Dragonfly/Mosquito combo is not inexpensive. However, as new algorithms are developed these devices are openly upgradeable via internet download, taking some sting out of the price."

Originally posted by Ted99
After the usual "dance" with Direc TV, I got a new replacement HR10-250 and , after activation, removed the telephone connection so that the HR10-250 will not install the "f" download.

Ted99,
I have the "f" download and use the HDMI connection. For me everything works fine. Just a note, if you leave the telephone connection unplugged, you will lose your TIVO privileges after a few weeks. You will still be able to watch SAT, but not record with TIVO.

not really. after a few weeks you get this annoying message telling you to connect your phone line.

i know because i got rid of my landlines and have to live with that message on all my tvs.

Got my 3910 today...will be connecting it shortly...it might be a long night and a long day tomorrow.

kaduku, what are you feeding the Q from your 3910, 480p, 720p, 1080i?

also, not related to the Q, is the drive supposed to be so noisy when the dvd is spinning?

Originally posted by BenDover
Got my 3910 today...will be connecting it shortly...it might be a long night and a long day tomorrow.

kaduku, what are you feeding the Q from your 3910, 480p, 720p, 1080i?

also, not related to the Q, is the drive supposed to be so noisy when the dvd is spinning?

I've never really noticed any noise coming from the 3910, of course it's in the Salamander stand, and if there is any noise, if might be muffled. I will be watching a movie tonight, so I will listen and let you know. It appears to have a better picture at 1080i. Try all settings and let me know your opinion. I suggest to check which version firmware you have. The Owner's thread has directions on how to do this and to upgrade. I believe the newest one just came out a couple days ago. I also suggest to have the black level set to enhanced, you will see the difference. I believe the 3910 is one best dvd players out there, of course, the 5910 would have been really nice to have instead.

BenDover

I too have found that sometimes when you go to a different channel that has a lower resolution to a higher resolution channel (HD) (e.g. from a 480i to a 1080i) then sometimes the 8300HD or the Qualia just wigs out and the screen will flash repeatedly every few seconds. I have to switch back to the crappy analog channel and then back to the HD to get it to stop. Or even power off the cable box and turn the bugger back on. Not sure what the hell is up with that crap but I have it too on Time Warner. When I go from a analog channel to a HD or whenever the TV has to get a new resolution from whatever channel then it has some spastic flashing but only once. The endless loop of spastics is somethng different and it does not always happen. Just once and a blue moon.

brt3: Sounds like you know what you're talking about--would the video rocket scientist geeks at the Video Processor forum agree with you? If they would then you would have a chance at achieving the best Qualia picture in the world! Is it OK for different Qualia owners to compete or is the notion of perfection competing with itself illogical? Is Qualia resistance futile? Should we all be assimilated?

Originally posted by Artwood
brt3: Sounds like you know what you're talking about--would the video rocket scientist geeks at the Video Processor forum agree with you? If they would then you would have a chance at achieving the best Qualia picture in the world! Is it OK for different Qualia owners to compete or is the notion of perfection competing with itself illogical? Is Qualia resistance futile? Should we all be assimilated?
Yes.

Originally posted by brt3
PM,

My goal is to improve SD sources (which means, in my case, making SD Comcast watchable) and take HD to a higher level. Compression artifacts are rampant on cable, even on HD content -- I am disgusted by how often you see block artifacts on HD content with fast motion, pans, or transitions. I plan to use the combo with SD cable, HD cable, and DVD. I also use DVHS, but will be surprised if this is improved very much, as I have few quibbles about DVHS PQ.

This is the punishment you get for being first.
Not many broadcasters actually transmit the full resolution of 1920*1080.
Each re-scaling and D/A and A/D conversion plays havoc with the picture quality.

Perhaps consider buying a DLP display, so that its dither noise will "cover-up" the motion artifacts?:)

Component based power conditioning should help out here too.

A lesson learned long ago is to never buy into new technology until the bugs are worked out. Otherwise, I've got the cheese.

Originally posted by reincarnate
This is the punishment you get for being first.
Not many broadcasters actually transmit the full resolution of 1920*1080.
Each re-scaling and D/A and A/D conversion plays havoc with the picture quality.

Perhaps consider buying a DLP display, so that its dither noise will "cover-up" the motion artifacts?:)

Component based power conditioning should help out here too.

A lesson learned long ago is to never buy into new technology until the bugs are worked out. Otherwise, I've got the cheese.

What he speaks of has nothing to do with the set, he is talking about improving source material so that the unforgiving nature of the Q makes these lesser sources more bareable.

Nice attempt at spinning...

Originally posted by reincarnate
This is the punishment you get for being first.
Not many broadcasters actually transmit the full resolution of 1920*1080.
Each re-scaling and D/A and A/D conversion plays havoc with the picture quality.

Perhaps consider buying a DLP display, so that its dither noise will "cover-up" the motion artifacts?:)

Component based power conditioning should help out here too.

A lesson learned long ago is to never buy into new technology until the bugs are worked out. Otherwise, I've got the cheese.
I wonder where this myth got started that SXRD is a "new technology"???

The first Qualia 004 owners bought new technology well over a year ago. By the time the Qualia 006 was released this year, it had already been proven. I suppose Sony DRCv2 could qualify as "new", but not SXRD.

I wouldn't have made a 5-figure investment in a TV otherwise.

It's no newer than, for instance, TI's HD2+ chip. Both were first shown at CEDIA 2003.

Do your research, people! :rolleyes:

--Dwayne

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
BenDover

I too have found that sometimes when you go to a different channel that has a lower resolution to a higher resolution channel (HD) (e.g. from a 480i to a 1080i) then sometimes the 8300HD or the Qualia just wigs out and the screen will flash repeatedly every few seconds. I have to switch back to the crappy analog channel and then back to the HD to get it to stop. Or even power off the cable box and turn the bugger back on. Not sure what the hell is up with that crap but I have it too on Time Warner. When I go from a analog channel to a HD or whenever the TV has to get a new resolution from whatever channel then it has some spastic flashing but only once. The endless loop of spastics is somethng different and it does not always happen. Just once and a blue moon.

MM,
Thanks for confirming this, I guess it is a SA issue. I may try hooking up the 4200 and see if that box exhibits the same behavior...so much to do this weekend and so little time!

Originally posted by Artwood
brt3: Sounds like you know what you're talking about--would the video rocket scientist geeks at the Video Processor forum agree with you? If they would then you would have a chance at achieving the best Qualia picture in the world! Is it OK for different Qualia owners to compete or is the notion of perfection competing with itself illogical? Is Qualia resistance futile? Should we all be assimilated?

Perfection is judged on a sliding scale, so no it is not illogical.

To be honest, I am quite content with the sets sd performance given that it is an order of magnitude better than sd on my samsung dlp.

Maybe after some serious viewing time I will feel differently since I haven't had time to log many hours, but since I will still be viewing the samsung regularly, I think the relative experience may keep me content...maybe I dodged the algolith bullet...for now at least.

Now to talk myself out of the Richard Gray power co products :)

Originally posted by reincarnate
This is the punishment you get for being first.
Not many broadcasters actually transmit the full resolution of 1920*1080.
Each re-scaling and D/A and A/D conversion plays havoc with the picture quality.

Perhaps consider buying a DLP display, so that its dither noise will "cover-up" the motion artifacts?:)

Component based power conditioning should help out here too.

A lesson learned long ago is to never buy into new technology until the bugs are worked out. Otherwise, I've got the cheese.

Man, it really is the kiss of death whenever you hit a thread let alone author one, God forbid.

All anyone has to do is punch your name into the search field in any forum on AVS to see the ugly tale. You truly are one of the worst liars,spinners, and fountains of misinformation on all of AVS.

You never let pesky things like "accuracy," "logic," "facts", or truth ever stand in your way.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=471364&highlight=reincarnate

That's one of your magnum opuses to stupidity and illogic.

I'm truly dismayed that the likes of you continues to survive at AVS. That BS should have been the end of you, for sure.

LOL!!!

Q, after skimming through that thread, I see that I was actually being kind to reincarnate. :p

It's kind of sad how he's trying so hard to sound like Artwood--and failing so utterly. :D

--Dwayne

Originally posted by Zechman
LOL!!!

Q, after skimming through that thread, I see that I was actually being kind to reincarnate. :p

It's kind of sad how he's trying so hard to sound like Artwood--and failing so utterly. :D

--Dwayne

At least when he's not in full rant mode, Artwood's post usually have some grain of basic logic going for them and you can engage him in some meaningful dialogue vs. speaking to a brick wall.

Originally posted by reincarnate
This is the punishment you get for being first.
Not many broadcasters actually transmit the full resolution of 1920*1080.
Each re-scaling and D/A and A/D conversion plays havoc with the picture quality.

Perhaps consider buying a DLP display, so that its dither noise will "cover-up" the motion artifacts?:)

Component based power conditioning should help out here too.

A lesson learned long ago is to never buy into new technology until the bugs are worked out. Otherwise, I've got the cheese.

What bugs! The only bug I see right now is the one who wrote this post!
From the immortal words of Scarface "You cockaroach!"
I shouldn't even be responding to this crap, oops! I mean non-sense.

Originally posted by kaduku
What bugs! The only bug I see right now is the one who wrote this post!
From the immortal words of Scarface "You cockaroach!"
I shouldn't even be responding to this crap, oops! I mean non-sense.

Everyone should add him to their ignore list. That's how you deal with the problem.

I didn't find Reincarnate's post offensive. Was it the reference to "being first" and "new tech"? Well, in fairness, who beat Sony to market with a 3-chip LCOS 1080p RPTV solution in quantity? Anyone? What amazes me is that it is so bug-free. The TV doesn't have any bugs, AFAIK.

But it is a new advancement -- even if LCOS has been around awhile.... It's a big step forward optically, for example.

Sometimes folks are being trolls. That post didn't cross that threshold for me, FWIW.

Cheers

UPDATE FROM JASON AT AVS:

The AVS Mosquito/Dragonfly special covered only the DF with the noise reduction; when I inquired about the DF without noise reduction, Jason contacted Algolith who advised that the cheaper DF without noise reduction would not be available until the end of the year. The AVS Special, therefore, only covers the $3495 MSRP DF. If you want to take advantage of the AVS Special, that's the one you will get (Jason will give you the details).

So please factor that in when considering your plans; HDMI Mosquito this summer, $2995 MSRP DF not available until end of the year.

Cheers

P.S.: I also posted this in the Video Processor's forum. Jason ok'd for me to post it; feel free to link this in any other AVS forum.