Whatever happened to the "buy the combo for $5,000" deal?

Originally posted by Joel
I didn't find Reincarnate's post offensive. Was it the reference to "being first" and "new tech"? Well, in fairness, who beat Sony to market with a 3-chip LCOS 1080p RPTV solution in quantity?
Cheers
As Joel points out, I did not say anything offensive. What we frequently have on AVS forum are "clicks". For example: the high end projector group has always been populated by a group of TI social fanatics. The objective picture quality limitations do not matter much.

Many people are connected to the industry and will not tell you that they have ulterior motives. I do get them "bees-a-buzzin", but I do try do write in a respectful manner.

And yes I do sometimes do not go back and read what others have to say. I do make a point to remember important findings and facts. But frequently it is a waste of time: Just look at the defensive emotional replies to this current post, where I did NOT say anything disrespectful. The reality is, Q of Z led some of you on, and you fell for it. (maybe that is why he is a Bandit!) Not one said one thing worthwhile except for Joel.

My point was that when you push technology, before it is ready for prime time there is a price to pay. As Joel states 1080p rear projection is brand new. SXRD is new as Sony makes that point in their current advertising. Even this one "factual point" is without merit.

As I and other and others have illustrated, Qualia 006 limitations include:
1) Broadcasts 720p to 1080 conversions don't look so hot as compared to native 720p displays

2) lack of 1:1 pixel mapping

3) artificial outlining

4) no 1920*1080 60fps

5) Sony does not recommend this display for computer use. Temporary image retention?

Now if I looked closer I could even be more objective. If I'm wrong please correct me. What you guys are looking for is pure 1920*1080 broadcasts with low compression rates. So am I. The current 006 is priced way to high (as JimP pointed out) and Samsung "1080P" will take a lot of market share. Sony blew it again!
BTW, The current push AVS $$$ special is not a real long term solution. Note that no one else will tell you this. :)

Sorry if you guys are mad. Its only money after all. Q of Z, I wish you well and hope that you have a happy life. Everyone has a bad day. Please understand that it does not matter what you state, as I only answer to a higher authority. The motives are pure.

OK, while I am tempted to respond, as I'm sure others are, let's not and let it lie otherwise we'll have a couple of pages of useless back and forth dialogue.

Originally posted by Joel
Well, in fairness, who beat Sony to market with a 3-chip LCOS 1080p RPTV solution in quantity? Anyone?

OOO!!! OOO!!! OOO!!! Mr. Kotter!!!

That would be Toshiba.

--Dwayne

My wife said the Qualians can say anything they want to about reincarnate but I better not let them say anything about my magnum Oh puss!

Originally posted by Joel
Well, in fairness, who beat Sony to market with a 3-chip LCOS 1080p RPTV solution in quantity? Anyone?
The answer to that (in the case of Toshiba) hinges entirely upon how you define "quantity". I was on three different B&M stores' list to be notified when I could order the set, or even view a demo. Never got a call; never got to place an order or even see one in person. I don't know how many of these sets Toshiba actually built, but I bet Sony has already shipped more Qualias than the entire Toshiba production run...

Originally posted by reincarnate
My point was that when you push technology, before it is ready for prime time there is a price to pay. As Joel states 1080p rear projection is brand new. SXRD is new as Sony makes that point in their current advertising. Even this one "factual point" is without merit.

My point was that SXRD is more than a year old and has been given a good shakedown in the 004. The Qualia 006 is a new product, but it's built on a proven display technology.

1) Broadcasts 720p to 1080 conversions don't look so hot as compared to native 720p displays
Sounds like a scaler issue, not SXRD. Also a matter of opinion. Assuming one holds this opinion, I would expect that one would also think that 1080i to 720p conversions don't look so hot as compared to native 1080(i/p) displays.

2) lack of 1:1 pixel mapping
Assuming this is actually true, it's also a scaler and/or HDMI issue, not an SXRD issue. Also, no information available about whether or not this is true for iLink.

3) artificial outlining
What are you talking about??? Please link me to where this has been brought up, because this is the first time it's been mentioned in this thread.

4) no 1920*1080 60fps
True for HDMI and Component. No information available about whether or not this is true for iLink. Has nothing to do with SXRD. The Q004 R2 proves this.

5) Sony does not recommend this display for computer use. Temporary image retention?
Nope. Much more likely the 1:1 pixel mapping issue combined with the overscan that has no ready way to reduce, but can be increased in user menus. And again has nothing to do with SXRD.

So what are the "bugs" in SXRD? Is it prone to dead pixels? Is the color accuracy poor? Do the color levels fade over time? Is it sensitive to heat? Do pixel changes affect neighboring pixels? Does it burn in? Does it ghost? Does have trouble keeping up with pixel changes @60Hz? What?

--Dwayne

The Toshiba (and early JVC and RCA, if I recall correctly) problems were why I said "quantity...." :) Sony was the first to ship a reliable 3-chip 1080p LCOS RPTV out the door. More power to them.

No point in getting sucked into the point by point. My only observation was a suggestion that folks should save their rants for posts that are offensive in fact. The post I commented on wasn't. The second one was closer to the line IMJ ... :)

Have a great weekend folks... :)

Cheers

Remember folks, this is an Q006 owner's thread. We already know how owner's feel about this tv, and we do welcome opinions that are constructive from non-owners, but some remarks really belong somewhere else. Nobody comes knocking at your home and tells you that you made a mistake buying that brand new car in the driveway because of this and that. We've gone through this before with other tr___s, and will probably go through it again. It just shows that in every school classroom, theres always one or two.

Maybe he should just start another new thread called "Sony To Fire Devil Qualia 006 Owners"

Originally posted by Joel
The Toshiba (and early JVC and RCA, if I recall correctly) problems were why I said "quantity...." :) Sony was the first to ship a reliable 3-chip 1080p LCOS RPTV out the door. More power to them.
Well IMHO, qualifying the question with "quantity" still helps make my point.

. . . which is that Sony was not the first to try it, but is the first to get it right. And the warnings about "new" technology did indeed apply to Toshiba/JVC/RCA(?). And healthy skepticism was good advice for the first purchasers of the Qualia 004, though now in hind sight we know it was not necessary.

So when Qualia-bashers start talking about SXRD as "new technology" and conveniently forget that the 004 even exists, I get annoyed.

This particular one seems to also conveniently forget that the TI xHD3 chip, when it appears in the Sammy 97's, will also be new technology--and instead of following his own advice, he declares it the winner over SXRD.


Say it with me, everyone: SXRD is not new technology. Not unless you also think the HD2+ chip is new and unproven, too.

--Dwayne

P.S. As for being sucked into the point by point, hey, I'm bored. :D

Originally posted by Zechman

P.S. As for being sucked into the point by point, hey, I'm bored. :D

Me Too! :D

Shame on you non-viewing qualians!

I expect it is going to take quite some time before I rewatch my hd and DVD collection :)

If a Qualia was fed a live feed of a non Qualia display showing a movie, could the Qualia reproduce the bad picture? I know us non Qualians can never get up to the Qualia's level--i just wondered if they were great enough to get down to ours!

Originally posted by Artwood
If a Qualia was fed a live feed of a non Qualia display showing a movie, could the Qualia reproduce the bad picture? I know us non Qualians can never get up to the Qualia's level--i just wondered if they were great enough to get down to ours!

The Q would display whatever the source signal sent to it told it to display. If that (signal) was of a non-Qualia display showing an artifacted movie, so be it. I'm sure that the Q6 would display it very nicely, too!! ;)

Artwood,

I know some find your posts humorous. I do not.

It appears to me you often have little to say substantively, but seek to impress with your wit and humor.

Frankly, I prefer Steven Wright. "What's another word for thesaurus?" :D

It's not about water-proofing our Qualias, your magnum or non-Qualians "reaching" our level. It's only T.V., and arguably the best picture currently available, only on the QUALIA 006! :p

Originally posted by BenDover
Whatever happened to the "buy the combo for $5,000" deal?

Email Jason at AVSCIENCE for pricing if you're even THINKING about getting this combo. Trust me. Do so even if you already placed a deposit with Algolith directly for the Dragonfly NR unit. My Mosquito gets here tomorrow. :)

Amen to what Kanebear said. I may not spend the $$$ but it's worth your time to check out the special.

Cheers

BD,
What's your verdict on the 3910 with the Q?

Originally posted by slocko
not really. after a few weeks you get this annoying message telling you to connect your phone line.

i know because i got rid of my landlines and have to live with that message on all my tvs.

slocko,
NO REALLY. It happened to me, I disconnected mine and forgot to reconnect it. I got a message saying to call DirecTV and until I did, I could not record using TIVO. So I guess you have your story and I have mine. I was just trying to be helpful. Hell, everyone can leave their lines unhooked as far as I am concerned.

Originally posted by kaduku
Remember folks, this is an Q006 owner's thread. We already know how owner's feel about this tv, and we do welcome opinions that are constructive from non-owners, but some remarks really belong somewhere else. Nobody comes knocking at your home and tells you that you made a mistake buying that brand new car in the driveway because of this and that. We've gone through this before with other tr___s, and will probably go through it again. It just shows that in every school classroom, theres always one or two.

Maybe he should just start another new thread called "Sony To Fire Devil Qualia 006 Owners"

Someone's getting the message. ;)

kaduku, just got home and didn't fool with it much yet, but what i saw i really liked...played a really dark scene from star wars ep v and the black details were amazing.

we're having a cinema night tonight with my kids as the new couch arrived today so i won't be able to mess with either the q or the 3910 until everyone has gone to bed :)

here is a pic: (kids just had a "play date" so don't mind the mess :) )

Originally posted by BenDover
kaduku, just got home and didn't fool with it much yet, but what i saw i really liked...played a really dark scene from star wars ep v and the black details were amazing.

we're having a cinema night tonight with my kids as the new couch arrived today so i won't be able to mess with either the q or the 3910 until everyone has gone to bed :)

here is a pic: (kids just had a "play date" so don't mind the mess :) )

Nice!!

I said this a few pages ago and I can't recommend it enough: If you want a great and mercilesss black level tester: Put in Alien from the Quadrilogy.

Sorry divedude, didn't mean disrepect.

I think it was just a coincidence in your case that something happened on the D* side to remove the Tivo service from your account.

Many people leave their Tivo's unplugged so they can't receive updates. I've even heard of people running a long cable to their neighbor's house just to activate the Tivo and never again connect it.

I would never intentionally slight the Qualia brethren! :)

Originally posted by divedude
slocko,
NO REALLY. It happened to me, I disconnected mine and forgot to reconnect it. I got a message saying to call DirecTV and until I did, I could not record using TIVO. So I guess you have your story and I have mine. I was just trying to be helpful. Hell, everyone can leave their lines unhooked as far as I am concerned.

I just can't take it anymore! After listening to repeated pearls of wisdom like this:
Did anyone see The Phellps-meister's comments on Qualias will not focus uniformaly he said he tried focusing the centrer and the outside would be off and then tried outside adjustment and center was off... the hits just keep on coming
I have come to the sudden realization that my Qualia 006 is an unmitigated piece of shite! HOW could I have been so foolish? HOW could I let myself become a Sony drone, worshipping at the altar of a flawed technology? WHY, OH WHY??? [repeated sobs...]

THE AWFUL TRUTH (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=5621335#post5621335)

Originally posted by brt3
I just can't take it anymore! After listening to repeated pearls of wisdom like this:

I have come to the sudden realization that my Qualia 006 is an unmitigated piece of shite! HOW could I have been so foolish? HOW could I let myself become a Sony drone, worshipping at the altar of a flawed technology? WHY, OH WHY??? [repeated sobs...]

THE AWFUL TRUTH (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=5621335#post5621335)

You notice that one troll automatcially attracts the others in that thread? It's like they're a network of stupidity or something. It's almost like they have ESP powers or something, except that would actually require powerful brains, so, we all know better than that.

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
You notice that one troll automatcially attracts the others in that thread? It's like they're a network of stupidity or something. It's almost like they have ESP powers or something, except that would actually require powerful brains, so, we all know better than that.

You are on the right track, but you don't need extra senses to explain it. It works by one of the old fashioned, primitive senses.

Smell.

Originally posted by ehlarson
You are on the right track, but you don't need extra senses to explain it. It works by one of the old fashioned, primitive senses. Smell.
Nothing's stronger than troll pheromones...

You drive by trouble makers can babble on and on about no 1 to 1 pixel mapping, no 1080p60, black levels, Qualia high price, wobulated 1080p DLP this, CRT that.............

So you can squat in front of your current POS weenie TV and gnash your teeth until you find something that is not perfect with the Q. Instead of getting Miss April in the back seat of your car you would be obsessing over the fact that her socks don't match her blouse so your staying home with your mother. Or your gonna wait for some new girl to move in to the neighborhood. Maybe you could talk to a girl then. What the hell is wrong with you people. Is it not enough that she is pretty with big zoomers but you just gotta see if her big toe is ugly or not?

Here is an interesting fact...........it's just a TV. It is a very good TV but of course not perfect. What is? All I know is that this 70 inch monster just looks absolutely awesome. I don't even care how the little buggers did it. I sit there at night, slackjawed watching anything in HD. Even stuff like spiders and some wierdo dicking with snakes in the jungle. I hate spiders and snakes.

But by all means babble on some more about all the Q's imperfections if it makes you feel better.............. I will be downstairs, drooling on myself, mesmerized by such an imperfect picture on my obviously substandard display.

I still wish I had one! Maybe I'll sell my fatboy and get one

If it weren't for the trolls the Qualia thread couldn't survive this long--Qualia owners would be so happy with their sets that they'd actually watch them! As for useful observations come on now--do you think that anybody that works for Widescreen Review says"I try to fathom the techno speak at the Qualia thread but it's so advanced it would bewilder Mr.Kane!"

Please forgive me--I know this is all real--I used to make wrestling fans angry, too!

The thread continues to survive because new owners are taking delivery and popping in to join the ranks, look for advice, settings, share their experience, talk about the equipment they have in their system augmenting the Q, etc.

Owners that stick around to help others out should be praised and in fact perform a service for newcomers and/or those just looking for information to make an informed decision on their prospective purchases because if misleading posts by non-owners, hell even those who have never seen the set, are left unanswered, those people would be wrongly misled.

anyhow...

I still havent seen one

Originally posted by pepco
I still havent seen one

are you a misleading poster? i don't know you as one...but i have a short memory :)

No sir, I love this thread, I've been reading it for a long time. Its what makes me want one so much. And I havent seen one yet. I am like alot of folks, just cant justify the cost yet..... but as I said before I could sell my 2003 fatboy and get one, she's paid for and not being ridden much these days. I need to see one so the fever will really rise, thats why I, as a non-owner, love for you guys to post screenshots. The most amazing thing getting my attenion in this thread is there are no problems being reported about the 006, unlike in the other brand threads. Looks like Sony got it right with this set. :)

Originally posted by brt3
Nothing's stronger than troll pheromones...

LOL :D

Originally posted by pepco
but as I said before I could sell my 2003 fatboy and get one, she's paid for and not being ridden much these days.


Well, I have a Q006, and you want one. I want to buy a fatboy, and you have one. Hmmm! nah, my wife would kill me!

I wouldn't say Sony necessarily got it 'right' with this one. I'd say they're going over each set with a fine toothed comb in their Carson, CA facility and fixing problems before they go out the door. It simply wouldn't do for a statement product like this to have problems now, would it? Mind you, I'm glad they're doing such thorough QC and wish they did it on ALL products. I seriously doubt these sets are any better faultwise than any other, they're simply examined much more closely.

Originally posted by kanebear
I wouldn't say Sony necessarily got it 'right' with this one. I'd say they're going over each set with a fine toothed comb in their Carson, CA facility and fixing problems before they go out the door. It simply wouldn't do for a statement product like this to have problems now, would it? Mind you, I'm glad they're doing such thorough QC and wish they did it on ALL products. I seriously doubt these sets are any better faultwise than any other, they're simply examined much more closely.

Well, they got it right with my set, whether they worked on it at Carson or not. How dow I know this, because everywhere I go where I see an HDTV, it still does not match up to picture quality of my Q :D

Originally posted by kanebear
I wouldn't say Sony necessarily got it 'right' with this one. I'd say they're going over each set with a fine toothed comb in their Carson, CA facility and fixing problems before they go out the door. It simply wouldn't do for a statement product like this to have problems now, would it? Mind you, I'm glad they're doing such thorough QC and wish they did it on ALL products. I seriously doubt these sets are any better faultwise than any other, they're simply examined much more closely.


Even with close examination, that wouldn't explain most component failures that happen a couple of months later. Manufactures can use either marginal components(those that just do get the job done) or components that are rated higher that are less likely to fail. With the lack of failures, I would think that better components are being used.

Originally posted by kanebear
I wouldn't say Sony necessarily got it 'right' with this one. I'd say they're going over each set with a fine toothed comb in their Carson, CA facility and fixing problems before they go out the door. It simply wouldn't do for a statement product like this to have problems now, would it? Mind you, I'm glad they're doing such thorough QC and wish they did it on ALL products. I seriously doubt these sets are any better faultwise than any other, they're simply examined much more closely.
Not that good QC is a bad thing, but part of "got it right" includes things that are in the design and have nothing to do with QC.

Examples:
- Discrete IR codes for all inputs (Granted, iLink is a little different.)
- Separate video settings on all inputs
- More than one HDMI port
- Having separate audio inputs on HDMI input #6 for use with DVI devices
- Black pillarboxes (I suppose this is a minus if you prefer gray.)
- iLink capability
- Lamp is installed from the FRONT
- Adjustable iris
- Removable speakers
- Cinemotion on 1080i content (?)

I could go on and on. All of these things are design decisions and could not be "fixed" in Carson, CA. And any of the first five would have disqualified this set for me. But for me at least, Sony "got it right" on the feature set and as a result I'm very happy with this set.

Yeah, there's a few things that I wish it did differently, but no show-stoppers.

QC is only half of the story.

--Dwayne

Originally posted by Zechman
Not that good QC is a bad thing, but part of "got it right" includes things that are in the design and have nothing to do with QC.

Examples:
- Discrete IR codes for all inputs (Granted, iLink is a little different.)
- Separate video settings on all inputs
- More than one HDMI port
- Having separate audio inputs on HDMI input #6 for use with DVI devices
- Black pillarboxes (I suppose this is a minus if you prefer gray.)
- iLink capability
- Lamp is installed from the FRONT
- Adjustable iris
- Removable speakers
- Cinemotion on 1080i content (?)

I could go on and on. All of these things are design decisions and could not be "fixed" in Carson, CA. And any of the first five would have disqualified this set for me. But for me at least, Sony "got it right" on the feature set and as a result I'm very happy with this set.

Yeah, there's a few things that I wish it did differently, but no show-stoppers.

QC is only half of the story.

--Dwayne

Very very true. QC can only prevent an out of box failure. It can't prevent the nightmares that happen later on (JVC's red shift, Samsung's smudges, Phillips' protection mode) and can't correct design flaws and omissions which as you said they got almost 100% right.

Originally posted by rcohen
The nicest way to do it is to reduce the resolution slightly, so you still get 1:1 pixel mapping. I added a custom resolution (using the Nvidia drivers) of something like 1840x1020 and selecting center, instead of scale.

For watching movies via the PC, I would think you'd want 1920x1080 w/overscan.

rcohen,

Would it not be better to use 1840x1035 as this is the same ratio as 16x9? I assume that this signal is sent interlaced to the 006?

Is there now a consensus that the 006 can not input and display a 1080p/24 signal?

Damon

I speant a day programming and re-programming the unit... I Talked to the help desk and reprogrammed it again. The unit wasn't up to the task. I have a Denon 5083A, Classe CP500 for 2 channel, Denon 3910 DVD, and Qualia 006. I was never able to get all of the devices to turn on with one touch of the button... My Classe CP500 wasn't in the DB so I had to have the remote learn some codes. The Classe turns off by pushing the power buton twice to turn it off.. The programming would not turn it off so I called the helpdesk. They put a code in to work, however warned me that the help button will also turn the amp off. The helpdesk said this should be fixed in a month. My Denon wouldn't turn on 50% of the time so I had to push the help to get the system to fix this... Well you know the rest of the story.. The Classe would turn off everytime I did this. Other impression is the screen is to small for these 45 year old eyes... I returend the unit and will now try to more expesive Pronto TSU7000 (Can be bought new from several store under $600, MSRP ove $900). Has anyone tried the Pronto?

Hoiw's the Denon 3910's Macroblocking from the Faroudja chip doing on the Qualia?

The Pronto and the new Marantz RC9500 (I think that's the model) are the same (about the same price) but I think the new Marantz has a better look and feel. Programming these are much more difficult but they can be much more customized than the 880. The main issue I have with my 880 is reminding my family members to turn everything off and on with the remote, not the front buttons on the TV ... as long as they do that, everything works great. :)

Have you tried using the larger button sizes for the activities rather than the defaults? You can have at least 3 plus setup.... that makes it easier on MY 45-year old eyes ...

The Harmony 880 is a good device, works like it's supposed to ... but is not as flexible as the fully programmable devices that cost almost 4x more -- and is not intended to be. It will do a great job on the majority of systems. I am surprised that you have issues with the Denon, though... I must say that I found Harmony customer support to be excellent and as responsive as I have ever experienced.

Cheers

...but the basic design and Mfg. must be good. You just can't inspect quality in!

Originally posted by kanebear
I wouldn't say Sony necessarily got it 'right' with this one. I'd say they're going over each set with a fine toothed comb in their Carson, CA facility and fixing problems before they go out the door. It simply wouldn't do for a statement product like this to have problems now, would it? Mind you, I'm glad they're doing such thorough QC and wish they did it on ALL products. I seriously doubt these sets are any better faultwise than any other, they're simply examined much more closely.

Q of BanditZ, 3910 works great... I have it output at 480P and let the Qualia do the upscaling. Looks better to me that way. Joel I ended up buying a Protno on ebay for $430... So not that much more than the 880... I'll post my results once I get it and program it.

Originally posted by SRT-10 Viper
Q of BanditZ, 3910 works great... I have it output at 480P and let the Qualia do the upscaling. Looks better to me that way. Joel I ended up buying a Protno on ebay for $430... So not that much more than the 880... I'll post my results once I get it and program it.

I was just curious to see how an MB situation would be on an LCOS display. Nice to see that it's working out for you.

A little OT, but you guys know everything! :D

The Q006 is connected to a 6412. The audio out from the 6412 is by Digital Coax to our Proc. This is located one room (and a small hallway) away from my wifes sewing room. She has a small receiver there and an SD TV.

Is there an FM STEREO transmitter, that I could get so that I could hook the unused l/r audio out of the 6412 and she can listen to some of the "Music Choice" stations on her FM tuner in the receiver? I know that there is a leapfrog unit, but have not heard anything good about it. I do see a Lorex 6428, but have heard nothing about it. We just can't run another cable.

TIA

BenDover,

My Bride would like to know what the red paint "color" is, and the mfg. We are looking to do something similar in our bedroom, she has been looking at Eddie Bauer red.:rolleyes:

I on the other hand I would like to see the leather furniture from a front view. ;)

My stand is done and delivered, just waiting for my 006 maybe ...... nxt, wk!!!!!!!!:D

Thanks for the info/

Originally posted by DANewsome
rcohen,

Would it not be better to use 1840x1035 as this is the same ratio as 16x9? I assume that this signal is sent interlaced to the 006?

Is there now a consensus that the 006 can not input and display a 1080p/24 signal?

Damon
The underscan setting is just for using Windows apps, not watching movies. The pixel aspect ratio is still 1:1 on the center setting, regardless of the resolution. For Windows apps, I don't really care if the aspect ratio is exactly 16:9. I forgot exactly what resolution I used, but I tweaked it (as much as Nvidia would allow) in order to fit the image on the screen without cropping. For movies on a PC, you would want 1920x1080, with overscan, 1:1 pixel mapping, and exact 16:9 aspect ratio.

Unfortunately, the signal is sent interlaced. For 24fps movies, I suspect that the Cinemotion setting will deinterlace it, so you effectively get 1080p/24. The same thing happens when you view 480i movies with Cinemotion. It gets converted to 480p/24.

For 1080p/60 signals, 1080p would be better than 1080i. For movies, it shouldn't matter.

I'll download some 1080 WMVs onto my PC and give it a try.

Little trivia, courtesy of Eliab:

On DVE, if you look at the movie/video test material at the end of the disk, you'll recall there is a sequence of a man and woman sitting at a table in a restaurant talking. Directly between them, sitting at a table at the back of the restaurant, you'll see a man talking. That man is none other than Joe Kane. Just like Alfred Hitchcock used to do in the movies he directed.

I tried downloading the HD WMV files from Microsoft and playing them from the PC. As expected, I didn't notice any interlacing on film sources, but I did on video sources. You can see interlacing when you drag windows around. They don't appear at 720p.

Dissapointingly, most of the 1080 videos are only at 1440x1080. Only a couple of Microsoft ads were at 1920x1080, and they were significantly sharper.

I found Nvidia's overscan compensation menu (right-click on the desktop). That's a better way to switch back and forth between underscan, while retaining 1:1 pixel mapping.

Originally posted by Neo2005

My stand is done and delivered, just waiting for my 006 maybe ...... nxt, wk!!!!!!!!:D


Neo2005,
Seems like you have been waiting forever Neo. Good to hear the time is getting near. Mini Dive likes to throw a party every time a new 006 is delivered and he is getting ready to celebrate your delivery . . .

Originally posted by divedude
[BMini Dive likes to throw a party every time a new 006 is delivered . . . [/B]
Hey, Dive, I just got home from RadioShack; several of Mini-Dive's family members were hanging out there ...

Mini-Dive's first cousin, twice removed... (http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F007%5F009%5F002%5F000&product%5Fid=12%2D837)

A few pictures.

second pic,

I didn't have a wide enough angle lens to get the entire cabinet in so various pictures have different parts of it. There's also a pic or two of the rest of the room which is still an absolute mess... tomorrow is finish out and clean up day!

more

m

These pics are from League of Extraordinary Gentlemen on DVHS. A few shots I've zoomed in on an area of the screen to give a better idea of what it looks like at very close range.

a

b

c

d

e

two more

Last one... whew!

Originally posted by mpsan
A little OT, but you guys know everything! :D

The Q006 is connected to a 6412. The audio out from the 6412 is by Digital Coax to our Proc. This is located one room (and a small hallway) away from my wifes sewing room. She has a small receiver there and an SD TV.

Is there an FM STEREO transmitter, that I could get so that I could hook the unused l/r audio out of the 6412 and she can listen to some of the "Music Choice" stations on her FM tuner in the receiver? I know that there is a leapfrog unit, but have not heard anything good about it. I do see a Lorex 6428, but have heard nothing about it. We just can't run another cable.

TIA

Ramsey electronics (http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/hk/default.asp?page=amfm) has exactly what you need. You can get one of their transmitters in kit form if you're so inclined or prebuilt.

Alternatively, do you have cable running in there? It's not hard at all to modulate the output from a satellite receiver or cable box (in stereo) and put it on your in-home cable. In fact, some of Dish Network's two tuner receivers have this built in. The CELabs (http://www.hometech.com/video/mod.html#CE-1001ST) modulator is a VERY cost effective way to do this. Combine that with an IR repeater and she can have full control over watching and listening to anything from the 6412.

Thank you. I will check them out. Nice pics, too. My stand is shipping next Tuesday. Then I can up a few from here.

Originally posted by kanebear
Ramsey electronics (http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/hk/default.asp?page=amfm) has exactly what you need. You can get one of their transmitters in kit form if you're so inclined or prebuilt.

Alternatively, do you have cable running in there? It's not hard at all to modulate the output from a satellite receiver (in stereo) and put it on cable. In fact, some of Dish Network's two tuner receivers have this built in. The CELabs (http://www.hometech.com/video/mod.html#CE-1001ST) modulator is a VERY cost effective way to do this. Combine that with an IR repeater and she can have full control over watching and listening to anything from the 6412.

Originally posted by Neo2005
BenDover,

My Bride would like to know what the red paint "color" is, and the mfg. We are looking to do something similar in our bedroom, she has been looking at Eddie Bauer red.:rolleyes:

I on the other hand I would like to see the leather furniture from a front view. ;)

My stand is done and delivered, just waiting for my 006 maybe ...... nxt, wk!!!!!!!!:D

Thanks for the info/

I can't recall off the top of my head the name of the color, but it is Benjamin Moore paint (eggshell, three coats...or was it four...). I'll ask my wife if she knows the name or still has the paint card.

I've been busy finishing the assembly of my rack, installing my equipment, wiring up all the wall plate, making all my interconnects, etc. Just have my two presence speakers and one sub left but I'm tired and enjoying my Q, even if it is with only one sub :)

I'll take some better photos of the couch tomorrow.

National Treasure on DVD looked great on Q plus its a good story and DVD had some nice extras. As a follow up, my 6412 still has some issues but Comcast is working to solve it with some heavyweight techs. It isn't the 6412 but rather something on the outside lines that is causing tiling. They have installed an amp which really didn't help the tiling.

I am glad to hear everybody is satisfied with their Q's and the only real issues are what (and how) to hook up to it. What a great testimonial that is for the Q and Sony.

I have seen the 70" at Tweeter now 3 times and can't seem to walk away from it. They don't have it fed right so I can't get them to run anything other than broadcast HD to it for the moment.

It's a remarkable looking set. I currently have the Samsung 56" DLP and am thinking seriously about going for the 70".

Since I can't look at alternative sources in the store for the moment, could someone take a few minutes and tell me how this set does, particuraly with fast motion ? I saw a protestor sign flash though on a local news report once when I was watching and it had the jutter affect and worry what fast motion, particurarly sports, might look like.

Thanks,
GoIrish

Originally posted by GoIrish
I have seen the 70" at Tweeter now 3 times and can't seem to walk away from it. They don't have it fed right so I can't get them to run anything other than broadcast HD to it for the moment.

It's a remarkable looking set. I currently have the Samsung 56" DLP and am thinking seriously about going for the 70".

Since I can't look at alternative sources in the store for the moment, could someone take a few minutes and tell me how this set does, particuraly with fast motion ? I saw a protestor sign flash though on a local news report once when I was watching and it had the jutter affect and worry what fast motion, particurarly sports, might look like.

Thanks,
GoIrish

Ok, so Tweeter DOES carry it? That takes care of my problem. Now I KNOW I can make the hour drive to Ft. Wayne and finally see this thing. I'll call them first, but, I'll be making some plans in the near future to make that drive.

Couple of questions: I may be daft, but the Qualia home site doesn't offer me a page where I can simply look at the list of specs.

Also, as I understand it, this is arguably the only TV on the market (outside of some high end front projectors) that can really do 1080p/24 FPS or thereabouts, yes?

I may have missed this detail, but can ANY of the INPUTS on the Q handle true 1080p, for the sake of future proofing?

Originally posted by kanebear
Home Theater is BAD for the waistline.

Yes, I've gained 70 pounds since I got my 1st HD set in 2001.

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
Ok, so Tweeter DOES carry it? That takes care of my problem. Now I KNOW I can make the hour drive to Ft. Wayne and finally see this thing. I'll call them first, but, I'll be making some plans in the near future to make that drive.

Couple of questions: I may be daft, but the Qualia home site doesn't offer me a page where I can simply look at the list of specs.

Also, as I understand it, this is arguably the only TV on the market (outside of some high end front projectors) that can really do 1080p/24 FPS or thereabouts, yes?

I may have missed this detail, but can ANY of the INPUTS on the Q handle true 1080p, for the sake of future proofing?

No... the best you can get into it is 1080i... no 1080p, not even at 24Fs unless I'm doing something wrong.

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
Ok, so Tweeter DOES carry it? That takes care of my problem. Now I KNOW I can make the hour drive to Ft. Wayne and finally see this thing. I'll call them first, but, I'll be making some plans in the near future to make that drive.



Q of B,
There are 3 or so Tweeter's here in Ct that have the Q but many do not. My friend saw one in a Tweeter store about 50 minutes from me.
It was listed at the MSRP.

Good luck and call first!

Originally posted by RonB63


Good luck and call first!

Indeed I shall, before making the trek blindly.

here is the front view you requested...we love it...it is as if it was made for our room/requirements...after scouring many showrooms, we found this in macy's furniture showroom...i would like to add another ottoman but i'm not sure the wife cares to...

still working on the paint color...i'll check the paint can to see if they marked it with the color's name.

pardon the mess but i'm still in the process of setting all the equipment/speakers up and finishing the trim (mouldings, etc.). columns need to be "accesorized" with some fancy moldings and painted yet...the work never ends.

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
Also, as I understand it, this is arguably the only TV on the market (outside of some high end front projectors) that can really do 1080p/24 FPS or thereabouts, yes?

I may have missed this detail, but can ANY of the INPUTS on the Q handle true 1080p, for the sake of future proofing?

The Qualia 006 cannot take 1080p in any form via HDMI or component. The jury's still out on iLink, but I'm not especially optimistic about it.

The Qualia 004 projector can take 1080p24sf as an "undocumented feature" and the newer R2 version supports that and 1080p60. Before the 006 hit the streets, there was a lot of speculation that it would have roughly the same electronics as the 004 and thus might support 1080p24sf even if the specs didn't say so. This is where the rumor of 1080p support got started.

I know that a lot of people (myself included) would LOVE to see an R2 upgrade for the 006.

--Dwayne

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
Ok, so Tweeter DOES carry it?
For those in the DC area, a friend was in my local Tweeter in Fairfax yesterday and tells me they a Q006 on display there.

--Dwayne

Originally posted by Zechman
The Qualia 006 cannot take 1080p in any form via HDMI or component. The jury's still out on iLink, but I'm not especially optimistic about it.

The Q006 is the first I've read where people are actually using I-link for something besides just audio. Even that's kind of eye opening, in and of itself.

I wonder if I-link is going to be a nice "cheat" for all of us on any number of these 1080p-ready displays coming out, starting this Fall.



The Qualia 004 projector can take 1080p24sf as an "undocumented feature" and the newer R2 version supports that and 1080p60. Before the 006 hit the streets, there was a lot of speculation that it would have roughly the same electronics as the 004 and thus might support 1080p24sf even if the specs didn't say so. This is where the rumor of 1080p support got started.

Nice! Dare I ask, for laughs...how much does the 004 cost?



I know that a lot of people (myself included) would LOVE to see an R2 upgrade for the 006.

--Dwayne

Considering the $13,000 you all paid, I would certainly hope you would get it. I'm certainly no engineer, but I can't fathom why that would be incredibly difficult to pull off.

The 004 cost $30k with lens, 27K without. It's oh so nice! Prices are MSRP

Ken

Originally posted by Ken Stokes
The 004 cost $30k with lens, 27K without. It's oh so nice! Prices are MSRP

Ken

It'd better be "oh so nice" at that price. ;) Heh, the JVC-DILA 1080p FP/video processor combo runs about $40K MSRP, so, I guess that's where that's at.

Just curious...

Does anyone know of a B&M in the lower peninsula of Michigan where a Qualia 006 can be viewed on display?

Have car; Will travel.

FWIW, I had tiling, freezes and lots of pixelization. What fixed it was a 6db attenuator! These 6412's don't like strong signals either.


Originally posted by bernster2001
National Treasure on DVD looked great on Q plus its a good story and DVD had some nice extras. As a follow up, my 6412 still has some issues but Comcast is working to solve it with some heavyweight techs. It isn't the 6412 but rather something on the outside lines that is causing tiling. They have installed an amp which really didn't help the tiling.

I am glad to hear everybody is satisfied with their Q's and the only real issues are what (and how) to hook up to it. What a great testimonial that is for the Q and Sony.

Originally posted by kanebear
A few pictures.
kanebear, thanks for taking time to post all the pictures, they are awesome. Cant wait to see the 006.

Originally posted by brt3
Hey, Dive, I just got home from RadioShack; several of Mini-Dive's family members were hanging out there ...


brt3,
Mini Dive says thanks for sending a picture of his cousin Sally. Most of the family liked to hang out at RadioShack. I guess it must be the electronics in their blood. :D Now that they have heard how great the 006 is, I think they might start hanging out at the Sony stores. :cool:

How hard would it be to one day make the Qualia support 1080p? As much as I am not on the bandwagon of the Qualia I could get on it if it looked better than anything else with 1080HD discs. Make that great enough and people wouldn't mind paying extra for the Qualia. I know the Qualia may not do 1080/60--what is the differences and advatages of 1080/24 versus 1080/30?

P.S. Sometimes I actually do break down and ask questions that I don't know the answers to--who knows--maybe I'll convert to Qualianism--if the only Qualias were in heaven and I went there would you want to go, too?

Originally posted by Artwood
if the only Qualias were in heaven and I went there would you want to go, too?

Careful now, Artwood, that's Marshall Applewhite territory.

Take off those black Nike sneakers and relax...

I guess I need to relax--my people who ignore me went down from 13 to 12--maybe I'm getting lucky!

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
Considering the $13,000 you all paid, I would certainly hope you would get it. I'm certainly no engineer, but I can't fathom why that would be incredibly difficult to pull off.
Before the set officially shipped, DocDVD told us (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4904767#post4904767) in the "Sony jumps ..." thread that there weren't any HDMI chipsets at the time with the necessary throughput for 1080p/60, and so the feature would have been extremely expensive, if possible at all.

Since then, Sony has announced the R2 version of the Qualia 004 and the upgrade for R1 owners (which is every last one of them). The upgrade is pretty much a complete electronics swap-out, but it does at least prove that the hardware is now available and it's a possibility.

Originally posted by Artwood
How hard would it be to one day make the Qualia support 1080p?
I expect that it would require a full swap-out of the input panel on the rear and all the associated electronics, kinda like was done with the 004.

Which leads me to some other food for thought: if such a swap actually became a reality, would it be limited to the Q006? After all, in the US, the input panel is exactly the same as the current XS LCD line.

--Dwayne
(Un-official Historian of the Qualia 006 Owner's Thread)

Originally posted by Artwood
I guess I need to relax--my people who ignore me went down from 13 to 12--maybe I'm getting lucky!

Or you chased them off the forum outright and they said the hell with it.

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
Or you chased them off the forum outright and they said the hell with it.

:)

I have no idea if this is accurate but for what it's worth, I was told by a major Sony dealer that they will be coming out with a "50 inch SXRD Grand Wega" rear projection this year at an expected list price of $3999. He said it is SXRD but not a Qualia and the model number will be KDSR50A10.

Now, a 50 at 4k would be a nice set. Interesting news, Beefchopper.

Artwood, if you convert to Qualianism, you do have to drink the Kool-Aid when Sony tells you to or you'll miss that comet ... :)

Re 1080p, I think we'll just have to wait and see -- there has been absolutely no word from Sony that would suggest the 006's can or will be upgradeable to 1080p.

Cheers

Originally posted by Beefchopper
I have no idea if this is accurate but for what it's worth, I was told by a major Sony dealer that they will be coming out with a "50 inch SXRD Grand Wega" rear projection this year at an expected list price of $3999. He said it is SXRD but not a Qualia and the model number will be KDSR50A10.

Compelling...

Beefchopper,

My Sony dealer told me that there would be 55" and 65" SXRD products for Winter 2005 which could be February or March 2006. He didn't know what this really meant, but he let me read the notice from Sony.

The Q006 on display convinced the wife that 1080p is a must. She is through looking at 720p sets.

Don

I have yet to do some serious comparisons, but what I've noticed so far is that the Q seems to give me a better picture when it is getting a native 720p signal (e.g., from abc) as opposed to something that is native 1080i...anyone else seeing this?

Originally posted by BenDover
I have yet to do some serious comparisons, but what I've noticed so far is that the Q seems to give me a better picture when it is getting a native 720p signal (e.g., from abc) as opposed to something that is native 1080i...anyone else seeing this?

I notice very substantial differences in HD content over my 1080i connection on a Comcast/Motorola 6412. ABC has really impressed me as of late. Last night I saw "Desperate Housewives" and it was stunning . There was a scene where the Desperate Redhead was playing miniature golf; the range of colors was pretty amazing. On an unrelated note, Shrek2 was shown in HD the other night and it was mesmerizing. The detail in all the different textures was simply incredible, and the colors -- especially green -- were gorgeous...

Anyway, back to your question -- I think what you're seeing is more related to the differences in the networks and their quality standards than anything else. Some other posters (editor58 and colortv) have made note of the huge variations in HD content that sometimes occur as a result of conscious decisions to give a show a certain look. "Housewives" strikes me as very detailed and crisp, and the colors -- though beautiful -- are slightly oversaturated. It is followed by "Grey's Anatomy", which has a more neutral palette but is not as nice to look at. "CSI: Miami", on the other hand, shoots everything to look as though it's sunset -- extremely warm but far too extreme, IMHO. "24" has a grittier, grainier look to it, but compare that to "House" which follows it. I think my choices for the first annual "Minnies" (think Oscars + Mini-Dive) would be "Housewives", "CSI: Vegas", and "House". Fox also does a surprisingly good job on some of the NASCAR broadcasts.

At first I questioned the validity of these creative decisions but this happens constantly in film, where directors choose film stock, processing, and filters to give their film a specific look. Great examples of this would be "Black Hawk Down", "Gladiator", "The Matrix", or "Memento". Though none of these films are technically accurate they are all beautiful to look at; the directors' choices or exaggerations serve their creative visions well.

I certainly understand the color aspect, what I was specifically referring to was the quality of the picture in terms of picture detail, edges, motion, etc.

Funny, but what finally made me post this question was viewing Desparate Houswives last night with the wife :)

brt3...so is your 6412 at 1080i?

Originally posted by brt3
I notice very substantial differences in HD content over my 1080i connection on a Comcast/Motorola 6412. ABC has really impressed me as of late. Last night I saw "Desperate Housewives" and it was stunning . There was a scene where the Desperate Redhead was playing miniature golf; the range of colors was pretty amazing. On an unrelated note, Shrek2 was shown in HD the other night and it was mesmerizing. The detail in all the different textures was simply incredible, and the colors -- especially green -- were gorgeous...

Anyway, back to your question -- I think what you're seeing is more related to the differences in the networks and their quality standards than anything else. Some other posters (editor58 and colortv) have made note of the huge variations in HD content that sometimes occur as a result of conscious decisions to give a show a certain look. "Housewives" strikes me as very detailed and crisp, and the colors -- though beautiful -- are slightly oversaturated. It is followed by "Grey's Anatomy", which has a more neutral palette but is not as nice to look at. "CSI: Miami", on the other hand, shoots everything to look as though it's sunset -- extremely warm but far too extreme, IMHO. "24" has a grittier, grainier look to it, but compare that to "House" which follows it. I think my choices for the first annual "Minnies" (think Oscars + Mini-Dive) would be "Housewives", "CSI: Vegas", and "House". Fox also does a surprisingly good job on some of the NASCAR broadcasts.

At first I questioned the validity of these creative decisions but this happens constantly in film, where directors choose film stock, processing, and filters to give their film a specific look. Great examples of this would be "Black Hawk Down", "Gladiator", "The Matrix", or "Memento". Though none of these films are technically accurate they are all beautiful to look at; the directors' choices or exaggerations serve their creative visions well.

Originally posted by mpsan
brt3...so is your 6412 at 1080i?

Oh, I missed that in his post...I am passing the native signal from my cable box. So, when viewing ABC, I'm sending the Q 720p.

Originally posted by BenDover
I certainly understand the color aspect, what I was specifically referring to was the quality of the picture in terms of picture detail, edges, motion, etc.. Funny, but what finally made me post this question was viewing Desparate Houswives last night with the wife :)

BenD -- Yes, "DH" looked pretty good, no? Though I mentioned color I meant to imply that there are a huge number of variables besides the 720p vs 1080i issue. I will try to look critically at that issue by going back and forth between 720p and 1080i native HD content. The only way (that I can think of) to practically assess the difference between IDENTICAL material would be to compare DVE 1080i to DVE 720p...

Oh, this past weekend, after I got all of my speakers set up except the two "presence" speakers, I popped in the Spiderman 2 DVD and played the trailers for 1 and 2. All I can say is WOW. It certainly wasn't the BluRay version I saw a couple of times in the NYC Qualia showroom, but the 3910 did its best, as did the Q. Now, throw the 7.2 in the mix and I can honestly say I will forever be disappointed going to the movie theater and paying to watch a new movie.

Those two trailers are great, IMHO, for showing off the whole system. I plan on using them to WOW friends :)

F.Y.I.
SonyStyle stores are now (and have been for a few days) shipping out the new HD –DVR’s to all their customers that had pre-orders in.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
F.Y.I.
SonyStyle stores are now (and have been for a few days) shipping out the new HD DVRs to all their customers that had pre-orders in.

So when does your unit arrive and how soon after that can we expect your report on the coupling with the Q?

OK, my 6412's are sending at 1080i. Look good too. Sometimes when in a real theater I can see slight flicker as the frames go by. I do see a very little bit of that on the Q when watching some IMAX stuff on INHD2. I believe that I have also seen a little of that in IMAX theaters as well.

My first paying job...back when Elvis made films...was at a movie theater and I have never stopped seeing things others miss...like the reel change circles on the upper right! :D


Originally posted by BenDover
Oh, I missed that in his post...I am passing the native signal from my cable box. So, when viewing ABC, I'm sending the Q 720p.

JOEL...

Got a call from Dave...the TT-400 shipped today. Should get it by the 26th or 27th. I hope it is the 26th as the Q dealer will then come out on the 27th. If not, I will have to wait 'til that next Tuesday. Our son is going to be here from Denver and once the TT-400 is delivered the Q will not be watchable 'til the dealer switches stands.

Originally posted by BenDover
So when does your unit arrive and how soon after that can we expect your report on the coupling with the Q?
I'm undecided as of yet on the purchase. I'm waiting for the early adopters to see if there are any issues with the CableCARD from their respective cable companies.

I think that in this case, it may be prudent to be patient.

My big concern is the guide data. Is it from PBS?

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I'm undecided as of yet on the purchase. I'm waiting for the early adopters to see if there are any issues with the CableCARD from their respective cable companies.

I think that in this case, it may be prudent to be patient.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I'm undecided as of yet on the purchase. I'm waiting for the early adopters to see if there are any issues with the CableCARD from their respective cable companies.

I think that in this case, it may be prudent to be patient.

That almost sounds like "man-speak" for the wife wouldn't let me get it yet :)

But given the source, we all know the words to be pearls of wisdom!

Originally posted by BenDover
That almost sounds like "man-speak" for the wife wouldn't let me get it yet :)

Exact-A-Mundo.:D You hit dee nail on dee head!

Especially, since she has already informed me that if I purchase the Algo combo when the mesquite bug gets HDMI.....a bribe of a STRING of black Tahitian pearls will be in order.:eek:

P.S.
And they aint no pearls of wisdom as far as I'm concerned.....just something an oyster deposited over the years not knowing nothin else to do with its time.

Originally posted by mpsan
My big concern is the guide data. Is it from PBS?
I read somewhere that the TV Guide interface is pretty much the same for all boxes that use Gemstar's software.

Don't ask me what that means.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
...she has already informed me that if I purchase the Algo combo when the mesquite bug gets HDMI.....a bribe of a STRING of black Tahitian pearls will be in order.:eek:
Dude -- you might as well order those pearls NOW, as you will undoubtedly have a significant bug infestation around your Qualia. BTW (and don't laugh) -- check out Costco.com for pearls. I can pick nits with the best of them, and Costco sells pearls that are far superior to Mikimoto at less than half the price. Far better lustre, size uniformity, and color uniformity -- I was blown away by what a great job they do! Now, if we can only get them to start selling the Qualia line...

:D

Well, we can search forums to see if "Mikey Likes it" soon! :D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I read somewhere that the TV Guide interface is pretty much the same for all boxes that use Gemstar's software.

Don't ask me what that means.

Please forgive me if this has been asked (and asked, and asked) before, but really, I did check the FAQ here first, and I did try the forum search function... getting way too many hits and not much that looked useful. Google didn't turn up much either.

At any rate... my new Qualia 006 arrives tomorrow, and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me how to get into the service menu and where I might find useful info about what I can do (and don't want to do!) while in the service menu.

I've done the DISP-5-VOL+-POWER sequence (or however that goes -- it's been a while) before on a CRT-based Sony RPTV. I never got around to getting into the service menu of my 70" XBR (which is now on eBay). This time around, with my new Qualia, I'd like to make sure I have enough rope to shoot myself in the foot. :)

Originally posted by RasterEyes
...my new Qualia 006 arrives tomorrow, and I'm wondering if anyone can tell me how to get into the service menu and where I might find useful info about what I can do (and don't want to do!) while in the service menu.
Try going HERE (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing32.html)...

Download the file titled "Diagnostics", which is a portion of the factory service manual that I posted...

Originally posted by brt3
Try going HERE (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing32.html)...

Download the file titled "Diagnostics", which is a portion of the factory service manual that I posted...
Thanks. :)

And damn... 294 pages in this thread!? Couldn't we use a few subtopics? ;)

Originally posted by brt3
At first I questioned the validity of these creative decisions but this happens constantly in film, where directors choose film stock, processing, and filters to give their film a specific look. Great examples of this would be "Black Hawk Down", "Gladiator", "The Matrix", or "Memento". Though none of these films are technically accurate they are all beautiful to look at; the directors' choices or exaggerations serve their creative visions well.

I've got four words for you... House of Flying Daggers.

Any chance of the Qualia Thread being released as a book? Since I'm in it it would be like being in the Hall of Fame!

Originally posted by Artwood
Any chance of the Qualia Thread being released as a book? Since I'm in it it would be like being in the Hall of Fame! Could be printed on TP.

Originally posted by brt3
Dude -- you might as well order those pearls NOW, as you will undoubtedly have a significant bug infestation around your Qualia. BTW (and don't laugh) -- check out Costco.com for pearls. I can pick nits with the best of them, and Costco sells pearls that are far superior to Mikimoto at less than half the price. Far better lustre, size uniformity, and color uniformity -- I was blown away by what a great job they do!
:D
Ray - I aint going to get off that easily. It’s going to require a personal visit to a place in downtown Papeete for a hands-on followed by neck-on visual evaluation followed by a cruise on the M/S Paul Gaugin.

It’s payback time for the Qualia bird and all future accessory hook-ups…so she says. She just better pack an entire suitcase of dem outfits and “do-me heels” that gets Penton in dee mood.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Ray - I aint going to get off that easily. It’s going to require a personal visit to a place in downtown Papeete for a hands-on followed by neck-on visual evaluation followed by a cruise on the M/S Paul Gaugin.
Good thing for you -- Costco now books cruises... :p

MPSAN: congrats on the upcoming TT-400. you will really like it. The Q fits perfectly on it. :)

Cheers

Great. We are also taking the speakers off the Q. We also spent a few extra $$ so that it was shipped by Bekins. I will take a few pics as they also made a matching shelf for our Big 31" wide B&W center!



Originally posted by Joel
MPSAN: congrats on the upcoming TT-400. you will really like it. The Q fits perfectly on it. :)

Cheers

I wasn't planning on leaving the Q's speakers attached but after reading 3deye's post about the wife/kids viewing the Q with the Q's speakers and reserving the full up surround experience with his YSP-1 to instances when he is viewing I thought that that might be a good idea (although, I do normally despise giving someone the easy way out...I'd rather they take the time to understand the setup and use it to its fullest potential...that is what the Harmony remote is for!).

So what I would do, ideally, is setup an "activity" on the Harmony that simply turns the Q and the cable box on, enabling the Q's speakers and using the Q to control volume (if there is, or maybe even if there isn't, I will probably have to enlist the help of the Harmony support folk).

BD,
On which setting did you find the best PQ on the 3910 with the Q?

Originally posted by kaduku
BD,
On which setting did you find the best PQ on the 3910 with the Q?

I'm still in a toss up between 720p and 1080i; I still haven't had much time to evaulate and therefore haven't thrown a number of different titles at it to get a broader spectrum of data.

I also plan on a/b'g it with the Sony 975 (price of admission for a friend of mine that wants to watch Blade Trinity on my new setup :) he'll be bringing his 975 over for the a/b) and my old Samsung 931 for the hell of it.

Audio using 1394 connection is amazing!!!

When will the 1080p through hdmi upgrade be available for the Qualia 6? When will they start putting this board into the new sets?

Eric, there is no indication that Sony will have a 1080p upgrade for the Qualia 006, unlike the 004. There has been nothing from Sony about it. Some have speculated here that it could be possible, some have said otherwise. But for now, do not assume there will be such an upgrade (although we would all be glad to see it). Similarly, there has been no suggestion that new sets would be made with it (like the R2 version of the 004). No suggestion at all; in fact, to the extent Sony has said anything about it, they have said they won't include 1080p. So, don't assume that by waiting you will get a set with 1080p.

No one here has ruled it out but there's no reason to expect it.

Cheers

Originally posted by ericlhyman
When will the 1080p through hdmi upgrade be available for the Qualia 6? When will they start putting this board into the new sets?


I do not believe anyone here knows whether such an upgrade is even on the drawing boards for the Q006 much less when they will make it available or even start including it in new production runs.

Do you know something we don't?

If so, do tell.

Sometimes people confuse the Q004, and its associated upgrade to 1080p, with the 006.

Originally posted by BenDover
I wasn't planning on leaving the Q's speakers attached but after reading 3deye's post about the wife/kids viewing the Q with the Q's speakers and reserving the full up surround experience with his YSP-1 to instances when he is viewing I thought that that might be a good idea (although, I do normally despise giving someone the easy way out...I'd rather they take the time to understand the setup and use it to its fullest potential...that is what the Harmony remote is for!).

So what I would do, ideally, is setup an "activity" on the Harmony that simply turns the Q and the cable box on, enabling the Q's speakers and using the Q to control volume (if there is, or maybe even if there isn't, I will probably have to enlist the help of the Harmony support folk).
I can't really help you with the Harmony (I'm a Pronto user.), but I can confirm that there is a direct IR remote code to toggle the speakers on/off. I wish there were two discretes for on and off like there are for power (and frankly, I don't know that there aren't any), but the toggle code works pretty well for me the way I have my remote set up.

--Dwayne

With the Xbox360 and PS3 being announced and both manufacturers stating they will do 1080p, how will the 006 handle these signals? Any thoughts?

Originally posted by dpc123
With the Xbox360 and PS3 being announced and both manufacturers stating they will do 1080p, how will the 006 handle these signals? Any thoughts?

Didn't think that there is a 1080p HDMI transmitter out. Has anyone heard any different??

Originally posted by mpsan
Well, we can search forums to see if "Mikey Likes it" soon! :D
Wellp,
Substitute markrubin for Mikey, BenDover for Mikey’s brother and the cereal evaluation has done begun: :D
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=537711&perpage=20&pagenumber=3

I plan to buy a Qualia within a month,can anybody tell me how small dish sd looks on the set.I also have a Big dish that will look better,I am sure.

Originally posted by Zechman
I can't really help you with the Harmony (I'm a Pronto user.), but I can confirm that there is a direct IR remote code to toggle the speakers on/off. I wish there were two discretes for on and off like there are for power (and frankly, I don't know that there aren't any), but the toggle code works pretty well for me the way I have my remote set up.

--Dwayne

Thanks Zech, is there a site that lists all the IR codes? If not, can you provide me with the code for toggling the speakers on/off, thanks.

Originally posted by JKUCSMA
I plan to buy a Qualia within a month,can anybody tell me how small dish sd looks on the set.I also have a Big dish that will look better,I am sure.

And hence we come full circle once again, does size really matter?

Originally posted by BenDover
Thanks Zech, is there a site that lists all the IR codes? If not, can you provide me with the code for toggling the speakers on/off, thanks.
I got the codes from Remote Central (http://www.remotecentral.com/).

Here is the list of discrete codes for Sony televisions. (http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/files/rcfiles.cgi?area=prontong&db=discrete&br=sony&dv=television)

These codes are formatted in a way that they can be used by the ProntoEdit program for Philips Pronto remotes--I don't know if they are useful for you as-is.

The only ones I've tried so far are the Power On, Power Off, Speakers On/Off, and the Video1-7; and they work wonderfully.

The only issue I've found with programming a remote is that the Qualia, when first turned on, ignores remote input for a few seconds while the bulb is powering up. So if you make a macro that does Power On & Video 7, even with a short delay in between, it doesn't switch the inputs. So you might have to treat powering up the TV as separate activity.

--Dwayne

Originally posted by JKUCSMA
I plan to buy a Qualia within a month,can anybody tell me how small dish sd looks on the set.I also have a Big dish that will look better,I am sure.

I have a Direc TV HDTivo and a Time Warner SA 8300HD DVR feeding my Q006 through the HDMI connections. SD from the HD Tivo looks better than I have ever seen on any other set--better than just "watchable". The SD picture from the T-W HD box is just watchable. Dish size has nothing to do with PQ, unless the larger dish is receiving a digital signal which has been transmitted with a higher bit rate, and therefore, higher resolution.

Originally posted by dpc123
With the Xbox360 and PS3 being announced and both manufacturers stating they will do 1080p, how will the 006 handle these signals? Any thoughts?

PS3 will have 2 HDMI ports that will output 1080p. This will be able to have dual screen functionality. Dual Q006 gaming anyone? :)

XBox360 is only specifying 1080i right now. They will use the same setup as the current XBox for video interfaces. So maybe later they can support 1080p.

-xrispy

Just a short comment about the "big dish"

The little dish systems use extreme amounts of compression (which changes over time depending on content), as do some cable systems. The c-band systems use little compression, and is the source for network signals your local stations rebroadcast. It is the cleanest source available to the consumer, at the cost of having a huge dish system shadowing your back yard.

Dave W.

Originally posted by DaveDubya
Just a short comment about the "big dish"

The little dish systems use extreme amounts of compression (which changes over time depending on content), as do some cable systems. The c-band systems use little compression, and is the source for network signals your local stations rebroadcast. It is the cleanest source available to the consumer, at the cost of having a huge dish system shadowing your back yard.

Dave W.

Wow, can you even buy the big C-band dishes anymore? I remember my dad had that WAY back in the day...

Originally posted by xrispy
PS3 will have 2 HDMI ports that will output 1080p. This will be able to have dual screen functionality. Dual Q006 gaming anyone? :)
Assuming that's true, we'll all need to get PS3's and then raise holy hell with Sony about why their flagship television doesn't work with their new game system. Then maybe we'll get some sort of upgrade to 1080p.

At the same time, it'd be nice for them to allow TwinView to display two HD sources instead of just 1HD/1SD or 2SD. Then we'd be able to use the PS3's dual screen feature on the Qualia by connecting the PS3 to inputs 6 and 7. :cool:


XBox360 is only specifying 1080i right now. They will use the same setup as the current XBox for video interfaces. So maybe later they can support 1080p.
Ick! If it's truly the same as the current XBox (as in, it uses the same interface and is interchangable with the current High Definition Adapter), then we'll never see anything better than component. I've read that the XBox's AV interface doesn't have digital signal capability (except optical audio) and that's why we have no DVI or HDMI adapter for the XBox today, not even from a third party.

Now if "the same setup" means a similar modular setup, but with a new different connector that includes all-digital video capability, then forget I said anything. ;)

I guess in both cases, we'll know for sure eventually . . . .

--Dwayne

Hi PM:

I just read the thread. I had seen it before but had not looked in several days. I think, from what they say, that HDMI to Q and Audio to Proc via Coax or optical may resolve the pops. It sure does not sound like a surfers box. Even the 6412's are not too bad.

Still, we do not surf on the Q and only put that on when we have something to watch. It will better once we know how the guide does.

Take care...

Dave #507 :D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Wellp,
Substitute markrubin for Mikey, BenDover for Mikey’s brother and the cereal evaluation has done begun: :D
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=537711&perpage=20&pagenumber=3

Big Dish

With the popularity of the little dish and continued growth of cable, the "BUD" business has certainly evaporated. I know of only one shop still open in my area, although equipment can still be found on the INTERNET. Some info can be found at www.4dtvforum.com/ and this site as well. The best source for stuff may be your neighbor- I rescued a complete 3m dish system from someone who was getting ready to throw it away. Now I admit this is the kind of thing that will appeal only to the hobbyist, but now with sets like the Qualia coming out there may be new interest in the better signal source. Don't want to get too far off topic, but you may want to check into it.

Dave W.

Now if "the same setup" means a similar modular setup

Sorry, I meant same modular setup for the XBox360. MS is really pushing HD gaming on this platform.

PS3 is reportedly said to support dual HD through both HDMI ports. I didn't think about inputting to two inputs on the Q though. That would be nice especially for multi player on the same box. Always hated split screen view.

I can't wait for either one as they will both look absolutley incredible on the Q I'm sure. :)

Man, wish my Q would finally arrive. Still waiting...

THREAD TANGENT : Consumer BUD is breathing it's last breath. I believe currently there's only around 200k Videocipher II+ subs active nationwide and something like 100k 4DTV/digital sidecar subs active. Motorola runs a 'consumer authorizations center' and broadcasts guide info for the receivers as well as channel maps and satellite definitions. Without these, the 4DTV is basically a doorstop. In the current economic environment I tend to wonder how much longer they will continue as this costs money and they aren't charging the end users directly.

Most dish makers are out of business. Orbitron, KTI, Paraclipse, all are gone. KTI was bought by Orbitron which was bought by Patriot antenna. Paraclipse apparently saw the writing on the wall years ago and got into making pest equipment of all things. About two years ago, they dropped the dishes completely. Currently the only mesh antennas available Orbitron/Patriot are 16 and 24 footers. Thus, you can still get a reasonably sized new prime focus polar mount dish, but it's going to be a solid commercial version.

I believe within the next 5 years, C band will revert to the sole domain of the hobbyist where it started. Unless someone picks up the consumer authorizations side of things once Motorola decides to get out, all that glorious low-compression Digicipher II and analog Videocipher II will be lost to us. We'll still get DVB FTA broadcasts and in the clear analog, but that'll be it. This is very sad, as C band is by far the most pure, best quality signal one can receive for both SD and HD.

For my part, I had a 12' dish back when I was single but could not move it due to line of sight issues at the new house. Too many trees and they're beautiful ancient oaks so I'm not inclined to saw 'em down just for TV. Every time I see crappy SD and overcompressed HD, I start cursing under my breath and walking the lot trying to find a spot I could fit an 8 footer. I'd give ANYTHING to have my dish back. So if you can have C band, do yourself a favor... GET IT and enjoy it while you can.

Originally posted by kanebear
THREAD TANGENT : Consumer BUD is breathing it's last breath. I believe currently there's only around 200k Videocipher II+ subs active nationwide and something like 100k 4DTV/digital sidecar subs active. Motorola runs a 'consumer authorizations center' and broadcasts guide info for the receivers... in the current economic environment I tend to wonder how much longer they will continue as this costs money and they aren't charging the end users directly.

Most dish makers are out of business. Orbitron, KTI, Paraclipse, all are gone. KTI was bought by Orbitron which was bought by Patriot antenna. Paraclipse apparently saw the writing on the wall years ago and got into making pest equipment of all things. About two years ago, they dropped the dishes completely. Currently the only mesh antennas available Orbitron/Patriot are 16 and 24 footers. Thus, you can still get a reasonably sized new prime focus polar mount dish, but it's going to be a solid commercial version.

I believe within the next 5 years, C band will revert to the sole domain of the hobbyist where it started. Unless someone picks up the consumer authorizations side of things once Motorola decides to get out, all that glorious low-compression Digicipher II and analog Videocipher II will be lost to us. We'll still get DVB FTA broadcasts and in the clear analog, but that'll be it. This is very sad, as C band is by far the most pure, best quality signal one can receive for both SD and HD.

This makes baby Q cry. :(

Sorry, I meant same modular setup for the XBox360. MS is really pushing HD gaming on this platform

Todd Holmdahl, the Microsoft VP for Xbox hardware development, just had an interview with the editors of extremetech.com.

www extremetech com/article2/0,1558,1817031,00.asp

In it he states that Xbox360 is not 1080P capable. It will support composite, component and possibly VGA out of the box and S-video as an add on. He also talks about how the unit will not upscale DVD content (480P only).

Derek

Sorry about the URL but I can't post links yet.

LOL-
Brt, it looks like you’ve got em drooling over in the Pio thread.
I’m glad you decided to go for it.
Rob knows his stuff regarding the 59avi.

If you get a chance, try to do an A/B(best to rent two copies of the same DVD and toggle the inputs) between the Sony and Pio on inputs 6 and 7 before you return it. Might be interesting…. because Sony may come out with a new (fixed?) model in the same price range sometime in the future.

Sheesh. No HDMI support on a next gen console. Microsoft really likes to keep annoying people don't they?

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I’m glad you decided to go for it. Rob knows his stuff regarding the 59avi. If you get a chance, try to do an A/B (best to rent two copies of the same DVD and toggle the inputs) between the Sony and Pio on inputs 6 and 7 before you return it.
PM,
I pulled the Sony and dropped the Pioneer into it's place. No time yet to do a direct A/B, but here are my first impressions after spending about an hour eyeballing the basic settings. This was done with "The Fifth Element", as I know the film backwards and forwards and use it often as a reference. As with the Sony 975, I'm feeding the Pioneer signal into my Qualia 006 at 480i over HDMI.

First, the Pio has slightly exaggerated color saturation as set at the factory. I turned "chroma" down one click, which seemed to fix things nicely. Once I have time I'll go back and change the settings on this input of the Qualia to compensate more accurately.

Second, though the Pio didn't initially seem to have more fine detail resolution than the Sony, certain things are more noticeable on the Pioneer. In "The Fifth Element" (in the desert at the beginning) there are some shots of the sky that really show every flaw in the film master. These really seem to jump out on the Pioneer. This is somewhat analagous to the resolving power of the Qualia (though not to the same degree), where you tend to see every little flaw inherent in the source material. One test for me is the Nucleo Lab scene in "The Fifth Element". General Munro appears several times in this scene, and one great test for resolving power is to look at his shoulder patch. If "sharpness" is too elevated you'll actually lose detail in the patch. On the Pioneer I can read the letters on the patch more easily than on the Sony.

I am happier with the Pioneer in my system. Though the improvement so far is slight it is much more enjoyable to use, much nicer to look at in my "stack", and beautifully built and reliable. It should be a formidable piece when paired with the Algolith Dragonfly/Mosquito combo (and once I have the time to properly tweak things with DVE)...

Finally, guess what happened when I pulled the Sony out of my system? The dreaded tray lock reared it's ugly head (for the first time) and I nearly lost my newly acquired "Big Fish" DVD! After cycling the power several times the player finally regurgitated, but that alone may be reason enough for me NOT to put it back into the system for an A/B...

nhey,
You've got a PM from P-M.

Originally posted by brt3

First, the Pio has slightly exaggerated color saturation as set at the factory. I turned "chroma" down one click, which seemed to fix things nicely. Once I have time I'll go back and change the settings on this input of the Qualia to compensate more accurately.

To paraphrase Bob Pariseau...
"Reports from others in this thread are pretty consistent however. When using HDMI at 480i you should expect to have to change two items from the factory defaults you get when you load the 59avi settings of "HDMI Direct" mode into a Memory. First, change HDMI Color Adjust from Standard to Enhanced. Second, change Black Setup from 0 to 7.5. Again, this is *ONLY* reported as necessary for HDMI 480i.

This combination is supposed to be necessary to preserve both Blacker than Black AND Peak White data properly at HDMI 480i."

Originally posted by brt3

Finally, guess what happened when I pulled the Sony out of my system? The dreaded tray lock reared it's ugly head (for the first time) and I nearly lost my newly acquired "Big Fish" DVD! After cycling the power several times the player finally regurgitated, but that alone may be reason enough for me NOT to put it back into the system for an A/B...
Imagine losing a "personal"(of you and the wife) DVD in the Sony and the consequences when zee wife would find out.:eek:

F.Y.I. - How do you set the IRE to 7.5?

Home Menu -> Video Adjust -> Memory1 (2 or 3) -> Detailed settings -> Black Setup (scroll down)

PM -- Headed OTD; will report later...

Joel, check you P.M.'s

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Imagine losing a "personal"(of you and the wife) DVD in the Sony and the consequences when zee wife would find out.:eek:
At that point I believe I'd whip out the chainsaw...

Originally posted by brt3
At that point I believe I'd whip out the chainsaw...
ROTFLMAO
:) :D :)

Originally posted by Ted99
I have a Direc TV HDTivo and a Time Warner SA 8300HD DVR feeding my Q006 through the HDMI connections. SD from the HD Tivo looks better than I have ever seen on any other set--better than just "watchable". The SD picture from the T-W HD box is just watchable. Dish size has nothing to do with PQ, unless the larger dish is receiving a digital signal which has been transmitted with a higher bit rate, and therefore, higher resolution. Sorry,the big dish is Bud Cband,and is the best picture available. The dealer where I saw the set at ,was using Comcast cable.Thanks for the repy.

PM, got the pm and replied.

Cheers

Got it, thanks. I think I'm probably going to be in Tahiti that week (becoming poorer) but nobler.

So far, initially it looks like a rocky road for the Sony HDD-500.

Lucky you ... nothing like a week of noble savagery ... I haven't heard much on the HDD500, and will look further.

Cheers

Weird. PM, you and I have the same number of posts -- well, we did until I posted this one. :)

Originally posted by Joel
Weird. PM, you and I have the same number of posts -- well, we did until I posted this one. :)

And Joel had a 4 and one-half year head start! I don't know what that says about Penton or Joel, but I should keep my mouth shut :D

Originally posted by Joel
Weird. PM, you and I have the same number of posts -- well, we did until I posted this one. :)
THAT'S creepy.
I didn't even notice it.
All I pay attention to is El Rogo and now he's somewhere over 21K.:eek:

Originally posted by jb007
I don't know what that says about Penton
Fast outa the gate.....but does the boy have staying power ?

I'm shootin you a PM in a few minutes so check.

Dwayne - please check your PM for an off-topic.
Thanks

PM...the HDD-500 Thread is starting to look....."interesting"! :mad:

Originally posted by mpsan
PM...the HDD-500 Thread is starting to look....."interesting"! :mad:
Yup,
Like I said, in this case, it is prudent to be patient.
The only buginess that I want to see is in the Algo bugs.

I see even Rogo stopped in for a whaz up?

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Dwayne - please check your PM for an off-topic.
Thanks
Read and replied.

BTW, you (meaning everyone, but especially Penton-Man :p) might want to try selecting "Yes" to the "Pop up a box when you receive a Private Message?" option in your user profile on the "Edit Options" page.

Much easier than having to post "You have a PM" all the time . . . .

--Dwayne

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Yup,
Like I said, in this case, it is prudent to be patient.
The only buginess that I want to see is in the Algo bugs.

It's so sad that all products can't be as problem-free as the Qualia 006, isn't it? :cool:

--Dwayne

OH, Well...for now I will keep my 6412's. Verizon just ran Fiber to my house, so Comcast will have another player on the block soon! FIOS!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Yup,
Like I said, in this case, it is prudent to be patient.
The only buginess that I want to see is in the Algo bugs.

I see even Rogo stopped in for a whaz up?

Zechman...I have had that option on since I started posting years ago. Lately, it does not seem to always work and I get no popup. I then log in a few days later and see that I have several older PM's.

Originally posted by Zechman
Read and replied.

BTW, you (meaning everyone, but especially Penton-Man :p) might want to try selecting "Yes" to the "Pop up a box when you receive a Private Message?" option in your user profile on the "Edit Options" page.

Much easier than having to post "You have a PM" all the time . . . .

--Dwayne

i am not a technical guy so this question might sound dumb, so at the risk of proving Mark Twain correct:

"Does the lamp in the Q vary in intensity? In other words, if the Q is set to an empty input that produces a black screen, will the lamp still be using up it's life expectancy? Just wondering if it made sense to leave it on all the time tuned in to an empty input so you wouldn't have to worry about the power on delay."

Like I said, probably dumb question, but I had to ask anyway.

My big move is now less than 6 weeks away!!!!!

Hello All,

I bought a Q006 today and had a few questoins. I am happy to join the group and can't wait for my tv to arive.

My first thoughts were to remove the speakers on the Q006 and use my center channel since everything is fed by my denon reciever. Then it occured to me that the speakers on the Q are probably better than my center channel. Is there an audio input that can be used for ALL video sources? Such that I would run the center channel audio to the Q. I will be using the 2 HDMI (HD Tivo & Sony DVD Player).

Sorry if this has been asked (I read as much of this thread as I could), is there any issue with burn-in? The SXRD seems to be unique and I am not sure where it falls in terms of burn-in.

thanks,
dan

Originally posted by mpsan
Zechman...I have had that option on since I started posting years ago. Lately, it does not seem to always work and I get no popup. I then log in a few days later and see that I have several older PM's.

Popup doesn't work for me either. I just assume it is some popup blocker I don't remember how to disable anymore...

Originally posted by slocko
"Does the lamp in the Q vary in intensity? In other words, if the Q is set to an empty input that produces a black screen, will the lamp still be using up it's life expectancy? Just wondering if it made sense to leave it on all the time tuned in to an empty input so you wouldn't have to worry about the power on delay."
If the TV is on, the lamp's-a-burnin' (and the fan's-a-turnin'). The only time it varies in intensity is if you enable the power-save mode, where it runs slightly dimmer. The only time the lamp is off is when the TV is off.

The good news is that the delay is only a few seconds from power-on to lamp-on and then less than a minute to full brightness.

Originally posted by DBordello
My first thoughts were to remove the speakers on the Q006 and use my center channel since everything is fed by my denon reciever. Then it occured to me that the speakers on the Q are probably better than my center channel. Is there an audio input that can be used for ALL video sources? Such that I would run the center channel audio to the Q. I will be using the 2 HDMI (HD Tivo & Sony DVD Player).
Sorry, each video input has it's own audio input, and there's no way to make one of them into a "master", unless you just use one input and do your source selection with an external switch or an AV receiver. And then things will get complicated if you want to use iLink.

As for using the Qualia speakers as a center channel (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5529387#post5529387), I don't recommend it. Click to see my previous post on why.

Sorry if this has been asked (I read as much of this thread as I could), is there any issue with burn-in? The SXRD seems to be unique and I am not sure where it falls in terms of burn-in.
Much like LCD, it's closest cousin, no burn-in issues. I'm a heavy gamer, and I haven't observed any ghosting, either. Dead pixels are a possibility, but thus far there've been no bona fide reports of it.

--Dwayne

Originally posted by Zechman
It's so sad that all products can't be as problem-free as the Qualia 006, isn't it? :cool:

:D :D :D You guys must have misunderstood this post. I wasn't talking about the HDD-500 . . .

. . . I was talking about Internet Explorer . . . . :eek: ;) :p

--Dwayne

Thanks Dwayne for the response. That was my feeling, but I had to ask.

As I said, sometimes it does work, so I don't know just what changed.


Originally posted by jitguy
Popup doesn't work for me either. I just assume it is some popup blocker I don't remember how to disable anymore...

Popup has always worked for me, so there's never a need to post if you send me a PM. Nice to see them, of course, but by the time I've read the post I've seen the pm.

Yes, PM -- it is creepy, and yes I had a 4.5 year head start. Oh well. I had a few quiet posting years there, though ... :)

Cheers

Let's get this thread humming again.
Where's editor with his "bug report"?
Sheesh, isn't the Yankees recent winning streak over by now?

The Sony recorder is having a tough go of it on the other thread. Anybody here know anything about an HD Replay in the works or some other DVR's due out in the future that people chained to cable companies can use?

Originally posted by mpsan
As I said, sometimes it does work, so I don't know just what changed.
Like jitguy and mpsan above, the pop-up thing doesn't work for me either so I'm giving a heads-up to brt and kaduka that a PM is on its way to you guys......this is in regards to 006 owners in Northern Cali - Santa Cruz, San Francisco etc.
It seems like there are more(that I'm blocking on) than you two guys that are in Northen Cali so other 006 owners up there in the "Sophisticated" part of Cali (I mean no disrespect because it's probably true) please refresh my memory.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Like jitguy and mpsan above, the pop-up thing doesn't work for me either so I'm giving a heads-up to brt and kaduka that a PM is on its way to you guys......this is in regards to 006 owners in Northern Cali - Santa Cruz, San Francisco etc.
It seems like there are more(that I'm blocking on) than you two guys that are in Northen Cali so other 006 owners up there in the "Sophisticated" part of Cali (I mean no disrespect because it's probably true) please refresh my memory.

I don't know about "sophisticated", but I'm brt and kaduku's neighborhood.

That's right. Mill Valley and I think motormouth is up there too.
Looks like I have to do a search under toe, Miss April, or boobs? to get his little boxy things to PM.
Your's 3deye is on the way.
Anybody else up there that I forgot about or could tell me who has the best Cioppino in San Francisco itself?

I should have known.
A search under "Big Zoomers" found motormouths last post.

A PM is on its way to you my friend.

Penton,

Wish I was in beautiful Ka..Li...Forn...ya but am stuck in the midwest counting tornadoes.

Moved my couch a foot closer to 9.5 ft (eyeball to screen). now and am just loving it. Better than being at the theater. I put a new mac G5 on input 6 to display family pictures via slide show when not watching TV or movies. Now when we are not watching TV, Kids playing X box or surfing the web via the Mac G5 it runs through my digital pictures like one big picture frame constantly changing. Way cool. I'm running it about 15-16 hours a day so although I was not the first to get one I may be the first to change out my bulb. I figure I would have spent many times the cost of the bulb and the new G5 to get my wife a new painting so I just display many different pictures of paintings, images...whatever. (G5 is kick ass and I was a PC guy. Everyone should get one of these. Surfing the web on your Q from the couch is.......well awesome)

Would be interesting to see how I could determine how many total hours I have run when the bulb finally blows. Then I could at least provide one data point for everyone to guess when a bulb change might be coming. My best guess is that I have about 650-700 hours on the Q bulb so far.



No issues or problems with the mighty Q...... Just an awesome picture and puddles of drool.

MM

PM, I had heard that DNNA is working on an "HD-Replay" type of recorder, but will not be called REPLAYTV. I have 3 ReplayTV's and have been waiting for this to happen. It has been fun adding large Hard Drives to them and I hate to get rid of them!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
The Sony recorder is having a tough go of it on the other thread. Anybody here know anything about an HD Replay in the works or some other DVR's due out in the future that people chained to cable companies can use?

First off let me say both televisions are fine pieces of equipment and each have their plusses and minuses so hopefully nobody will be offended. I am doing this review just as another data-point for those curious about the Qualia (as I was before I purchased mine). This is being done as a COMPARISON, between the two, since that is what I can easily do. Below is listed the equipment used. Note one thing, that I am not including grayscale tracking (they both were fine) because I think my CP5000 needs calibration. Therefore everything is relative…

Sony Qualia KDS-70Q006 (just over 1 week old)
Mitsubishi 65813 (just over 1 year old)
Sencore VP403 (DVI only for this test)
Sencore CP5000 (1 year old – may need calibration)
Tektronix 2245
My eyes

First let me also say that I am not an ISF trained technician, however, I am an Electrical Engineer, and do enjoy dabbling in televisions. My eyesight is average… Therefore, someone who does this for a living could most probably do a better job than myself, but this should be a good data point for those curious about the Q…

Setup – Both televisions were set up using the VP403 and CP5000 to the best of my abilities. The Mitsubishi had additionally some improvements mentioned over on the Spot (ringing fix, color decoder adjustment using scope). I started with the factory defaults, added some suggestions from both here and the Spot, then proceeded to drag out the computer and equipment to do the real work…

Objective items – These are things I feel that can be quantitatively repeated by another using similar instruments to mine. There are several things that stood out during my attempt to calibrate both units (the 65813 being done several times over the past year). Some of them very surprising! The Sony was the clear winner in the resolution department (well sort of – you will understand in a second). It was able to completely resolve the highest frequency multiburst that the VP403 would put out. The 65813 could at best generate a “gray field” with the highest frequency. This is a known issue with this model, and apparently is in the design (not likely to be improved). The Sony also won the color decoder contest. I did not even have to touch the factory settings. Why all manufactures refuse to do this annoys me. At any rate, even with the Perfect-color tweaks, the 65813 could not hold a candle to the Sony (though I hear rumors that there is a way to improve the 65813, but it is only known by a few, and they will not divulge the secret, as is their right). The VP403 has a test which locates a white box inside a white line, and turns the box on and off. This is a test for both power supply (tube) and black level retention. If the white line is affected by the flashing white box… The 65813 failed this test (bending the box quite a bit – which I have seen on several 65813’s so it’s not limited to mine – yet was not an issue on a Pioneer 710). The Sony of course was fine. Mostly because it’s fixed pixel device I’m sure. An interesting result was noticed while doing the convergence and watching some shows. Here is where the Sony falls on it’s face in a very odd place. Convergence – yes, you heard me. The 65813, while it has horrible resolution compared to the Sony, was able to be adjusted so that all the lines in the convergence pattern were where they should be (except for the last inch or so of the picture where they did fall apart some). The Sony, well, let’s just say I hope the service manual has adjustments for the panels in it. This in theory should be a simple fix, but we will see. On the convergence pattern (and on real HD), the blue is up and left by about ½ a line (not too bad). The red however is off by way over a pixel (maybe 2) on the left side of the screen. Not horrible when watching HD broadcasts, but it is noticeable. I really hope this can be fixed, since this is really the only thing that bothers me about the set. On the upper right corner (where the multiburst High Frequency pattern on the VP403 is) it is perfect (hence the easily visible pattern). It does have 1 stuck blue pixel in the center, but I can’t see it from where I sit (only from about a foot away) so I can easily live with that.

Subjective items – These are things which are just my opinion and may be refuted by others… The reason I am getting rid of the 65813 is mostly in this area. One thing it does that the Sony does not is have bad black level control. What I mean by this is that if you watch a 4:3 broadcast with gray pillar bars while credits are scrolling, you will see the brightness of the pillar bars change parallel with the credits. As with a lot of things – very annoying once you know it is there. The Sony has none of this behavior. Another thing is what I will assume is lens flare. The Sony has very little of this in my opinion. The 65813 has quite a bit (less than black areas when the credits are there or any high contrast situation). I think Sony spent a lot of money on the optics. Ringing is another area the Sony does better in. Surprisingly, I had to set the sharpness to 18 for best response (not 0), but it did very well there (unlike the 65813 which had massive ringing no matter what was done – even with the ringing fix). Another thing is one aspect of convergence that the Sony (and all fixed pixel devices) do well in. Very straight lines. Not to say the 65813 did not have straight lines, just not as straight (and spending all weekend to get them straight is a chore). Oh, and the Sony is a light cannon compared to the 65813!

Final comments – I’m keeping the Qualia. That should say something. I was able to run them a while side by side (2 DTV boxes) and compare pictures. One of the boxes was an HD-TiVo, so it’s picture was delayed by about 1 second. It made for some really easy comparisons (look, turn head, compare). The Sony, while having a lot more resolution, did not “stand out” during this test (speaking only about resolution here). However, day to day viewing I find myself noticing a lot more detail than the 65813. Could have been the material, but I really think it makes a significant improvement. Color rendition while doing this was no contest. The Sony was a joy to look at. Even with my hours of attempting to get the 65813 perfect, the Sony (out of the box no less) did a much better job. I treasure accuracy above all else, and the Sony has this. The two units side by side, I had no trouble picking the Q over the M… There might be some odd things going on with the Sony at VERY low light levels (possibly not enough bits – think banding or clay face), but I think this is more likely to be an issue with the source material since with the VP403, I can go from 1 to 100 in increments of 1 and see no such issues. So is this a perfect TV? – no. If I can eventually get the panels aligned, it will be as close as it needs to be for myself. Is it worth the price of admission? I think so, but only the buyer can determine if the extra improvements are worth the extra cash (as with all things, a significant increase in cost for what most would probably consider a smaller increase in performance).

Thanks for the detailed review. I would imagine that the panel thing is unit-specific. But there may be a service manual tweak -- however, I doubt it, those things are usually fixed hardware pieces in a light engine assembly. I would imagine it's a QA/QC thing probably with some acceptable variations (acceptable to Sony, that is).

What about the black level and shadow details?

I'm glad you liked the 006.

Cheers

Joel - I guess I missed that. However, I thought the difference in black level and shadow detail was not great. The Q has as good as or better detail than the M, but the M has less "light spill" than the Q (meaning less light seen in a dark room with no picture). Since the shadow detail is there, and I never watch in a completely dark room (dim backlighting), I don't even consider it an issue. Plus, since it's only an issue when there is no picture (how often does that happen), I thought the Q betters the M (since it has more lens flair). Hope that helps... Oh, and I suspect you may be correct on the panels. They may even adjust them in a Jig before they install them.

How good does the Qualia do with the color teal or reddish purple(plum)? Thgose are ususally the hardest colors to produce. The ultimate everyday test for most TVs is when the Miami Dolphins play the Minnesota Vikings in football. The teal shouldn't be gree or blue--the purple shouldn't be Laker blue--the orange shouldn't be reddish and the yellow shouldn't be tinged orange or chartreuse--plus you should have green for grass, blue for the sky and super black and white for the refs. Many times even on calibrated sets all won't be perfect because satellite, OTA, and Cable signals are sometimes skewed and you might have to tweak slightly per channel. One last question Qualia fans: Does the Qualia adjust hue or tint from channel to channel? If not can you tell the differences in hue and tint from channel to channel? If you see no differences either the Qualia is doing a great job at compensation or you don't know Coke from Pepsi so I won't offer you an RC!

My response would be yes and no. As far as I can tell the Q has as good a decoder as I have seen (I have not seen the expensive stuff, but I've seen plenty of consumer grade). Since I missed the FB season (just got mine) I can only go by what I have seen so far, and it's no contest compared to my Mitsu. I have not seen any "per channel" capability so it's "garbage in, garbage out" (and there is PLENTY of garbage out there)... If it's good source material, it's a good picture. Stations that are notorious for being asleep at the wheel look as bad as they are. Hope that helps...

I use email notification to find out about new posts. It also sends me email whenever anybody PMs me.

Originally posted by Joe C5
First off let me say both televisions are fine pieces of equipment and each have their plusses and minuses so hopefully nobody will be offended. I am doing this review just as another data-point for those curious about the Qualia (as I was before I purchased mine). This is being done as a COMPARISON, between the two, since that is what I can easily do. Below is listed the equipment used. Note one thing, that I am not including grayscale tracking (they both were fine) because I think my CP5000 needs calibration. Therefore everything is relative…



Joe,
Great review. I am just an av wannabe so I don't understand much of what you said, just as long as you choose the Q006 at the end. True, the Q006 is not the perfect tv, but for now is the best picture show out there.

Thx PM for the info. Sounds like the man for me!

Joe C5,

I saw the Qualia finally and have to say my Mits 73" has a better picture to me. It is sharper, has better black level and shadow detail, has better contrast and better color. Plus the Qualia had haloing. Like yours, just my opinion.

Joe C5,

I saw the Qualia finally and have to say my Mits 73" has a better picture to me. It is sharper, has better black level and shadow detail, has better contrast and better color. Plus the Qualia had haloing. Like yours, just my opinion.

Bill, congratulations. I'm pleased you have finally been able to see the Qualia in person. I'm curious, where did you see it? What were the viewing conditions?

Saw it at Magnolia HiFi. The viewing conditions were good- subdued light. I have to say it had the best picture resolution wise of any set there but not a great difference. They only had one CRT-RPTV, a 55" Mits Diamond and it wasn't even turned on.

Given your prior posts, I wasn't surprised by your view of the black levels, but I do find your opinion about sharpness, and especially color, interesting.

Sharpness involves a lot of things, contrast ratio being something that increases perception of it. The resolution didn't seem to be up to my set however signal quality could have been reduced by all the hooked up sets. The haloing, extreme edge enhancement maybe, didn't help either. There is no doubt that a micro-display and CRT have a difference in color. This goes a long way towards preference and what one is used to for what one likes or perceives as better. To me the color on my set looks more life-like.

Joe C5,

I saw the Qualia finally and have to say my Mits 73" has a better picture to me. It is sharper, has better black level and shadow detail, has better contrast and better color. Plus the Qualia had haloing. Like yours, just my opinion.

Why am I not surprised

I don't know RDO CA, why aren't you?

Sharpness involves a lot of things, contrast ratio being something that increases perception of it. The resolution didn't seem to be up to my set however signal quality could have been reduced by all the hooked up sets. The haloing, extreme edge enhancement maybe, didn't help either. There is no doubt that a micro-display and CRT have a difference in color. This goes a long way towards preference and what one is used to for what one likes or perceives as better. To me the color on my set looks more life-like.

Your findings make sense. One of the things many owners have posted is that the sharpness needs to be turned down from the out of the box settings. I believe your comment about the split feed and loss of signal quality also explains the resolution, which I believe even you concede, should be better at 1080p than most other sets. As far as the color, it's also understandable you would prefer your own (calibrated?) settings over the default ones on a set in a store.

Thanks for your honesty :).

Sharpness involves a lot of things, contrast ratio being something that increases perception of it. The resolution didn't seem to be up to my set however signal quality could have been reduced by all the hooked up sets. The haloing, extreme edge enhancement maybe, didn't help either. There is no doubt that a micro-display and CRT have a difference in color. This goes a long way towards preference and what one is used to for what one likes or perceives as better. To me the color on my set looks more life-like.

It would be intereesting to know if the set were hooked up via HDMI or component. I his review umr mentioned that the Sony seems to do some pretty severe filtering on the component inputs.

I have owned a Mits 73, a Toshiba LCOS and now a Q. To even compare the Mits to the Q is a joke. The Mits is not in the same league as the Q.

How did Toshiba LCoS compare when it was working right?

Toshiba was better than Mits but not as good as Q.

I would like to post an impression of my new Qualia. I use E* and have the Voom package. At night I use an Ideal Lume back light. Because of the room limitations, I have to sit at about 8 feet from the screen. And although I examined one in the showroom very closely, I never noticed a defect that I can't stop from focusing on now.

Whenever there is any hi-def camera motion or zooming against a light background like the sky, faces, snow or the green grass of athletic fields or golf courses or landscapes, the graininess or grit of the screen against the moving light colored scene is more than a little distracting. Throughout this thread I only saw one other mention of this and that was by Empire-of-One on post #3085 and I saw this after my purchase.

I've set my Standard, Pro and Vivid settings all to Cinemotion but this doesn't help much. I discussed this with Eliab from info@Avical.com who travels the country and does the ISF calibrations. He will be coming to calibrate my Qualia next month but didn't promise that he could help much in this regard.

After my purchase I went back and looked at some larger Sony 50 inch plasmas and didn't see the same graininess but the demo tapes that the store was showing made it difficult to really tell if it was also inherit in these plasmas .

Does this defect bother anyone else? Any suggestions or solutions? I hope I'll eventually get used to it but right now it's driving me crazy.

veinboy,

Sorry to hear about your issue. I have never experienced what you describe (but then again, I am 13 feet away from the Q).

veinboy, isn't that a result of the satellite source and not the tv, any tv? i know right before voom went under they were reportedly the only sat company to solve some of the issues that typically plague satellite. also, are you connected via component or hdmi?

jb007 and others- Could you try looking for it at 8 feet from the screen? I would be curious to know if it is a Qualia problem.

Landscape scenes where the HD cameras are slowly pan against a light colored background or the sky is where it is easiest to see. My Dish installer saw it too right away and thought the viewing distance could be part of the problem. I also see it on the Voom channels too like the Equator channel where they show a lot of landscapes.

I am connected via HDMI. I don't know if it's the satellite source or the TV but at least one other person (Empire-of One, post #3085 page 155) has seen it independently at a dealer's showroom but he didn't mention what the feed was there.

I bought the Harmony 880 remote but took it back since it didn't work well with my system. I just bought a Proto Pro TSU 7000 and it works great... One area that worked on the Harmony that I have not been able to do on the Proto is to go right to the desired video input directly. On the Harmony, each of the video inputs were accessable. On the Pronto, I can only get to video 1 -3 with the sony ir codes. Has anyone with a Proto Pro TSU700 figured out how to do this?

jb007 and others- Could you try looking for it at 8 feet from the screen? I would be curious to know if it is a Qualia problem.

Landscape scenes where the HD cameras are slowly pan against a light colored background or the sky is where it is easiest to see. My Dish installer saw it too right away and thought the viewing distance could be part of the problem. I also see it on the Voom channels too like the Equator channel where they show a lot of landscapes.

I am connected via HDMI. I don't know if it's the satellite source or the TV but at least one other person (Empire-of One, post #3085 page 155) has seen it independently at a dealer's showroom but he didn't mention what the feed was there.


well, you are getting some voom content but it isn't being transmitted the way that voom was transmitting so if it is a sat problem you will see it nonetheless.

i think it is source related...i see what you describe on all of my displays for any given content. i've noticed that my local pbs feed over digital cable has suffered.

one good test might be to look at an ota feed...i haven't had my ota antenna set up for some time now but for some reason i remember the locals being much better than what i see over digital cable.

3 things on this foggy Monday:

1. Veinboy, I don't see it on mine (I have my own little issue with the Q too, but not that one). BTW, watched Ray on it this weekend. Unbelievable picture. My neighbor (who has a Mits 65) came in and said "when did they put that out on HDTV?" He thought it looked just like upconverted HD material and simply could not believe it. He immediately started reviewing his bank statements ... :)

2. Bill: Thanks for your posts. I'm glad you finally saw it; did you think that the 006 had the best picture of the digital displays you've viewed or are there others you prefer?

3. And finally: It's over. I mean over. The 006 has been proclaimed the best HDTV out there. By whom, you ask? Why, none other than the DEFINITIVE source for all things HD -- the San Diego Union Tribune. Imagine my chortling this morning when, over my coffee, I read in my UT that the 006 can lay claim to being "the best HDTV ever made" or some such. *laughing* For those of you in San Diego, look in the Business section..... :D

Cheers!

Proper calibration is key to getting the best performance. I would suggest anyone with this set strongly consider doing this right.

D-Theater is one of the best sources available to the consumer. I would suggest getting a D-VHS player and looking at something like U-571 over i.Link. That will show you what your TV is capable of with a high quality source.

Ben Dover -Thanks for the suggestion about the OTA antenna to rule out the satellite as the source of the problem. The best hi def picture in town with an over-the-air signal comes from the local public channel WQED in Pittsburgh but their antenna went down last night. The other OTA channels are at this time of the day (noon) all broadcasting upconverted signals. I'll check again later and report back.

umr- I don't think I want to pay for a D-VHS player with the Blu-Rays coming out fairly soon... (I don't need to archive and have the Dish DVR 921), but I am getting the proper calibration done next month ($400 with a Photo Research PR650 SpectroRadiometer ) and will also post on those results.

I am connected via HDMI. I don't know if it's the satellite source or the TV but at least one other person (Empire-of One, post #3085 page 155) has seen it independently at a dealer's showroom but he didn't mention what the feed was there.

Have you seen this watching a DVD or any other source besides sat?

Proper calibration is key to getting the best performance. I would suggest anyone with this set strongly consider doing this right.

D-Theater is one of the best sources available to the consumer. I would suggest getting a D-VHS player and looking at something like U-571 over i.Link. That will show you what your TV is capable of with a high quality source.

UMR- ever since Eliab calibrated my set, I strongly prefer viewing HD material over an HDMI connection rather than via iLink. There is no way to calibrate an iLink input is there? I tried the same user menu settings I have for the HDMI input for my iLink input, but the HDMI picture is still better.

Joel and veinboy,

Please don't think me rude, but I purposely have not and will not look for the issues you describe. Call me an ostrich, but while I'm aware there are shortcomings with this set, I am so mesmerized everytime I watch TV on the Q006, that I prefer not to know where the scars are located. If I don't know it's there, then I won't fixate on it or worry about it. I am cursed with being a bit of a perfectionist, so this would just ruin it for me.

By the same token, I don't look for door dings on my new ride either. I know they're there, but mentally, I'm a happier person not knowing where to look every time I walk up to my car :)

UMR- ever since Eliab calibrated my set, I strongly prefer viewing HD material over an HDMI connection rather than via iLink. There is no way to calibrate an iLink input is there? I tried the same user menu settings I have for the HDMI input for my iLink input, but the HDMI picture is still better.

Yes, but you need a reference source for i.Link like I have.

Joel,

The only stand out quality of the Qualia over the other digital sets was slightly more resolution. If I came into that store to buy a set I wouldn't consider it worth the premium price for the difference. If one knows to look for it, and I don't see how one could miss it, the haloing (extreme edge enhancement ) was something not on the other sets. On a similar note I have never seen a CRT-RPTV in a store that comes close to the picture I see at home. The Mits CRT-RPTVs in most cases need a lot of calibration to come up to their potential. I'm sure in most cases the Qualia will show better than the Mits in the store, probably much better. It is unfortunate but true. I'm assuming the Qualia needs tuning (or something) like the Mits. Either that or one has never seen a Mits that looks like mine.

The Set makers can not compete with the digital sets out-of-the-box quality with CRT-RPTVs out of the box, hence the end of expensive, high quality CRT-RPTVs. I, so far, rue the end of CRT-RPTVs but I obviously am in the minority.

jb007- You are completely correct in not looking for the scars or defects for the reasons that you mentioned and I hope that my mentioning this doesn't interfere with others enjoyment of their sets or ruin it for them. But I'm convinced that the problem I discussed really does exist and another Qualia owner has sent me a private message acknowledging that it is annoying to them also.

It is also seen on OTA high def broadcasts and in my opinion and others is not related to the source. I'm pretty sure that it bothers me enough that if I would have seen this before I bought it, I probably would not have purchased the set. I pointed it out to the wife and she sees it but it doesn't bother her at all. But that's just me and my personality. I tend to sometimes see the glass as half empty and it is a curse especially considering all of the great positive things that have been said about Qualias.

I think it should be mentioned though so that others can look for this problem before they purchase a Qualia. Then they can see for themselves whether they see it at all and if they do, whether or not it is bothersome to them.

Yes, but you need a reference source for i.Link like I have.


I assume you are referring to your DVHS machine. Correct? Do you have a calibration tape that you can use in the DVHS machine over an iLink connection to a RPTV like the 006?

I assume you are referring to your DVHS machine. Correct? Do you have a calibration tape that you can use in the DVHS machine over an iLink connection to a RPTV like the 006?

That is correct. I have two of them. One is for 720p and the other is for 1080i.

Hello Veinboy,
Have you noticed any difference or have any preference with 480i vs 1080i output from your Sony DVD player to the 006?

Whenever there is any hi-def camera motion or zooming against a light background like the sky, faces, snow or the green grass of athletic fields or golf courses or landscapes, the graininess or grit of the screen against the moving light colored scene is more than a little distracting. Throughout this thread I only saw one other mention of this and that was by Empire-of-One on post #3085 and I saw this after my purchase.

I've set my Standard, Pro and Vivid settings all to Cinemotion but this doesn't help much. I discussed this with Eliab from info@Avical.com who travels the country and does the ISF calibrations. He will be coming to calibrate my Qualia next month but didn't promise that he could help much in this regard.

After my purchase I went back and looked at some larger Sony 50 inch plasmas and didn't see the same graininess but the demo tapes that the store was showing made it difficult to really tell if it was also inherit in these plasmas .

Does this defect bother anyone else? Any suggestions or solutions? I hope I'll eventually get used to it but right now it's driving me crazy.

Veinboy,

Is it a "shimmering" type of effect? I noticed this type of effect on my Toshiba LCoS and now on my Sony GWIV RPTV on bright, solidly colored areas. My assumption was/is that it was due to the combination of fixed pixels, polarized light, and the lenticular screen. The Toshiba had a pitch of less than .1mm if I remember. I think the polarized light is key too because I've never seen this effect on DLP's.

I can easily see the effect on the GWIV when displaying a 100IRE field, especially if I move my viewing angle horizontally. Lowering the White Level seems to minimize it to a degree, but doesn't eliminate it. Do you see the same thing?

Can anyone confirm if the 006 is using a lenticular screen or some type of diffusion screen? If it is a diffusion screen than the cause of what your are seeing must be something else.

Sean

For those of you that like boxscores . . .

This thread has now reached 300 pages, that consist of 5,983 posts on the Q006, with 242,225 views. Penton-Man continues to be omni-present with 987 posts in this thread, followed in second place by kaduku with 382 (not even half of PM's posts!)

As Joel would say,

Cheers!

For those of you that like boxscores . . .

This thread has now reached 300 pages, that consist of 5,983 posts on the Q006, with 242,225 views. Penton-Man continues to be omni-present with 987 posts in this thread, followed in second place by kaduku with 382 (not even half of PM's posts!)



Just wanted to post on the 300th page! Go Qualians! :D

Hi everyone,

Mini Dive is having a cookout to celebrate the 300th page :D

Ya'll are invited . . .

Penton-Man ... After very close examination of both the 480i and the 1080i outputs from my Sony 975 to the Qualia, I can honestly say that I see no difference at all ... although I realize that most people favor the picture from the 480i output.

Sean S ... The graininess that I see on light colored backgrounds when the camera slowly pans isn't really a "shimmering" effect that some people might even call moire. Occassionally I can see some shimmering with striped shirts or car grills on the Qualia but that doesn't bother me much. (I do see a lot of moire, however, on my perforated Stewart screen that I use with my DILA G 15 projector in my theater and Don Stewart told me that's never been described before with that set up, so maybe I'm crazy) ...or just tormented!

Hi everyone,

Mini Dive is having a cookout to celebrate the 300th page :D

Ya'll are invited . . .

nice...getting a jump on the memorial day weekend?

Page 300!!!

I wonder what the AVS record is?

--Dwayne

P.S. Only 200 posts to be #2 ahead of kaduku! But we all know that NO ONE will out-post Penton-Man on this thread . . . .

Page 300!!!

I wonder what the AVS record is?

--Dwayne

P.S. Only 200 posts to be #2 ahead of kaduku! But we all know that NO ONE will out-post Penton-Man on this thread . . . .

I didn't even know I made the list! JB, are you sure about this tally. :)

Hi everyone,

Mini Dive is having a cookout to celebrate the 300th page :D


Ya'll are invited . . .


Hey Divedud, sign me up!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love my WEBER too!:D

Smooth Convergence Between HD Gaming Computers and Home Theater Projectors

"With all that horsepower and a Blu-ray drive, you'd think the PS3 might be able to play HD material, and you'd be correct. In fact, I hear it will only output 1080p from its dual HDMI outputs—which is somewhat puzzling when you consider that the Sony's finest RPTV, the Qualia 006, can only accept a 1080i input."

http://www.guidetohometheater.com/news/052005e3/

i suppose by the time any of these gaming systems come out there *might* be a TV set that can accept 1080p, but for now it doesn't appear that anything currently available, or even available in the immediate future, can/will accept 1080p.

I'll have to connect it to my 23" HP LCD.

i just cooridinated for my Q to get calibrated. i called the isf tech who did it for my xbr 60" lcd.he did an excellent job. after i called him this time and told him it's a Q006 that i want calibrated , he said he would call me back. Today he called back to inform me that the isf founder (a friend of his) himself will be comming with him to do the actual calibration. Wow! nice. i feel confident that it will be calibrated precisely. The calibration is cooridinated for next week. i will let you all know how it went.

BenDover

I got my Sharp LC45GX6U to successfully accept 1080P. I bypass the AVC unit and drive the panel directly.

i just cooridinated for my Q to get calibrated. i called the isf tech who did it for my xbr 60" lcd.he did an excellent job. after i called him this time and told him it's a Q006 that i want calibrated , he said he would call me back. Today he called back to inform me that the isf founder (a friend of his) himself will be comming with him to do the actual calibration. Wow! nice. i feel confident that it will be calibrated precisely. The calibration is cooridinated for next week. i will let you all know how it went.


Where are you located? Sounds great that you will have two ISF techs there, no less the ISF founder himself :)

They must have been "itching" to get their hands on a Q. Maybe they can do some Service Menu tweaks!!!

BenDover

I got my Sharp LC45GX6U to successfully accept 1080P. I bypass the AVC unit and drive the panel directly.

OK, you have my attention :)

Can you elaborate on this?

Hello All,

I received my Q006 today. It is wonderful, even though I haven't watched any HD content yet (tomorrow).

I am having problems with lip sync. I have a HD DirecTV TiVo connected via HDMI. The TiVo is connected via an optical cable to a Denon reciever. If the TiVo is outputting in a format that is interlaced (480, 1080i) AND direct mode is off there is about a quarter of a second delay in the lip sync. It is very noticeable.

If direct mode is on, the lip sync is perfect.

If the TiVo is outputting at 480p or 720p the lip sync is perfect.

1) Is there a disadvantage to direct mode? Does it lower the picture quality?

2) What format should the TiVo output ideally (even if lip sync was perfect for all)? My thinking was that since the scaler in the Q006 is probably better I would output in the same resolution as it was broadcast in.

3) What height stand do you guys recommend? Our stand is 28" and seems a little high.

Thanks for all of your input,
dan

Where are you located? Sounds great that you will have two ISF techs there, no less the ISF founder himself :)

I believe that be Joe Kane of North Hollywood?.....and Digital Video Essentials fame.

Oops,
I think that there were actually co-founders of the ISF...... Joe Kane and Joel Silver (currently in the Boca Raton area ?).

DBordello...Is direct mode a DirectTV HD Tivo term/setting? I am not familiar with this setting on the Q itself.

Can your Denon receiver compensate for the lip sync delay?