Sony seems to have added another item to their FAQ for the Q:

"What is the DRC™ feature on the television?

The DRC™ (Digital Reality Creation) feature electronically enhances the picture from quality sources such as, DVDs, satellite and digital camcorders. The DRC™ feature creates a denser picture by increasing the density of the picture 4 times. The DRC™ feature should be set to Cinemotion or Interlaced for watching movies and television, and Progressive for still images.

NOTE: The DRC™ feature adjustments will not be available while playing back a signal source with a resolution higher than 480i, such as a progressive scan DVD player or HDTV set top box"

So this would imply that those who prefer the 480i signal to the Q via the 975 (or equivalent, thereof :) ), appreciate the processing being performed by the Q's DRC circuitry.

Sounds similar to the "bug-like" processing people are yearning.

3) What height stand do you guys recommend? Our stand is 28" and seems a little high.



The Sony stand is probably the recommend height. Not sure what is is. I have a Salamander Design stand which is about 23" with coasters, which is still fine, but would have preferred something lower. I believe the maximum stand height should not go over 24". Eye level is where you really want to be.

Where are you located? Sounds great that you will have two ISF techs there, no less the ISF founder himself :)

They must have been "itching" to get their hands on a Q. Maybe they can do some Service Menu tweaks!!!

i'm in west palm beach. i'm more than happy to be the guinea pig for the first Q006 that joe calibrates. i understand he has calibrated several Q004's already.

DBordello...Is direct mode a DirectTV HD Tivo term/setting? I am not familiar with this setting on the Q itself.

Can your Denon receiver compensate for the lip sync delay?

Ben,

Direct Mode is an option under the video menu on the Q. It is unclear what it does besides eliminate sync issues.

Ben,

Direct Mode is an option under the video menu on the Q. It is unclear what it does besides eliminate sync issues.

ah yes, it is all coming back to me now :)

that is what i get for reading the manual weeks before taking delivery.

from what i recall, it bypasses certain video processing circuits.

OK, you have my attention :)

Can you elaborate on this?



I own a Qualia 006, KDS34XBR960, and a Sharp 45" LC-45GX6U. The Sharp unit's AVC connects to the 45" Panel with DVI Cable. The native resolution of the Sharp Panel is 1920 x 1080 (Same as the Qualia) Unlike the Qualia, I can access the Sharp Panel directly. When you start the Panel with the AVC, you can then switch over to a 1080P 60 Hz source. I use a Gefen DVI Switch to do the switch. Right now the only source material I have at 1080P is from my computer, but it is spectacular. Can't wait for 1080p games. Hope this helps.

Hello All,

I received my Q006 today. It is wonderful, even though I haven't watched any HD content yet (tomorrow).

I am having problems with lip sync. I have a HD DirecTV TiVo connected via HDMI. The TiVo is connected via an optical cable to a Denon reciever. If the TiVo is outputting in a format that is interlaced (480, 1080i) AND direct mode is off there is about a quarter of a second delay in the lip sync. It is very noticeable.

If direct mode is on, the lip sync is perfect.

If the TiVo is outputting at 480p or 720p the lip sync is perfect.

1) Is there a disadvantage to direct mode? Does it lower the picture quality?

2) What format should the TiVo output ideally (even if lip sync was perfect for all)? My thinking was that since the scaler in the Q006 is probably better I would output in the same resolution as it was broadcast in.

3) What height stand do you guys recommend? Our stand is 28" and seems a little high.

Thanks for all of your input,
dan

Sounds about right. I have an HDTiVo connected via HDMI and have to add about 30ms of delay on the amplifier to compensate for video delay. Conversely, when using the Qualia's own speakers, the lip sync is always correct.* Since I have the HDTiVo set to output 1080i all the time, I never took notice that the delay might be different for 480p/720p sources. I also never tried out Direct Mode.

Regarding question 2: Ideally the HDTiVo would output the native resolution of the source, but unfortunately it doesn't currently do that. I use 1080i full-time, as it is much easier than having to change resolutions all the time (and annoy Mrs. Zechman in the process). TiVo & DirecTV have said that native resolution is a possible software upgrade, but no real announcements.

Stand height: The Sony stand is about 16.5 inches high, but the TV actually sits on an "indent" in the top that is just over 15 inches high. I and many others find this height to be about optimal. The set is BIG. Ideally, you want to look directly at (or slightly upward at) the center of the screen from a seated position. The Sony stand puts the screen center about 43 inches off the floor. You can figure that the screen center will be about 27 inches up from the top of a stand and work it from there to figure out what your tallest tolerable height would be.

BRT3 has a PDF file with exact dimensions of the set and stand (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/.Pictures/Qualia006/PDFinfo/Dimensions.pdf) on his Qualia 006 website (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/Menu11.html).

--Dwayne

* This is one of the main reasons why I wish the Qualia would send digital audio that comes in via HDMI back out the optical audio output: it could be optimally adjusted for lip-sync like it is for the Qualia's own speakers.

We will have a TT-400 Diamondcase stand. It is 25" high. Ours is due here in a few HOURS so I will let you know, but Joel is using this same stand. Very nice and great people to do business with.


The Sony stand is probably the recommend height. Not sure what is is. I have a Salamander Design stand which is about 23" with coasters, which is still fine, but would have preferred something lower. I believe the maximum stand height should not go over 24". Eye level is where you really want to be.

I really like the TT-400 stand. I think the height is fine. In part it depends on how far back you sit. The TV has no vertical brightness falloff, so it's just an ergonomic issue really. From my 13' distance, I don't notice any upward tilt to my head when viewing, no fatigue at all.

My experience with FP units is that you want the bottom of the screen to be no higher than approximately eye level. If it's much higher than that, you tilt up. If it's there or lower, you don't need to. Some prefer it lower and I think that if you sit under 10' away that would make sense. The farther back you go, the less it matters.

Cheers

Does anyone know what the actual screen dimensions are for the Qualia 006? I can't seem to find that measurement anywhere.

Does anyone know what the actual screen dimensions are for the Qualia 006? I can't seem to find that measurement anywhere.

Go here :)

http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing32.html

My experience with FP units is that you want the bottom of the screen to be no higher than approximately eye level. If it's much higher than that, you tilt up. If it's there or lower, you don't need to. Some prefer it lower and I think that if you sit under 10' away that would make sense. The farther back you go, the less it matters.



Joel,
You are absolutely right about the stand height. I sit about 12 feet from the Q and I don't really look up at the set at all, in fact, I would need to get closer if I get a lower stand.

i suppose by the time any of these gaming systems come out there *might* be a TV set that can accept 1080p, but for now it doesn't appear that anything currently available, or even available in the immediate future, can/will accept 1080p.

I'll have to connect it to my 23" HP LCD.
It almost makes me want to cry (or scream) to compare the vision and genius of Ken Kutaragi, president of Sony Computer Entertainment, to the team that designs the Sony Qualia:

“When the PlayStation 2 was released in 2000, it broke the gaming console mold by including support for playing DVDs. Now, Ken Kutaragi, president of Sony Computer Entertainment, is portraying the PlayStation 3 as an all-around entertainment and media machine that will not only play games, but will also store and play back video. In a series of two interviews with Impress PC Watch, Kutaragi revealed that the PlayStation 3 will become an "entertainment supercomputer" for the home.”

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/24/news_6126423.html

This man’s vision has me sold on the PS3. This unit has the makings of a revolution, IF Sony can resist temptation an keep it as an open architecture. Now Sony, fire the Qualia VP and give us that 1080p 60fps!

Joel:

Got the stand an hour ago. I will be getting the Q set up on it tomorrow. They did a great job on the Stain and I can't wait to show all of you the Shelf they built for the very large B&W Center speaker.

As a side note, I gave a copy of our order paperwork specs to the delivery team (the local team) as the lead driver is going to buy one just like mine. He was so impressed and he wants to put his Qualia on a stand like mine.

Of course, he does not have a Q...I can't tell you how many people say they do as they believe the Q is the 70" LCD! Even the cable guy who installed the 6412 said he just left a place with the same TV only mine looked a lot better! :D

I really like the TT-400 stand. I think the height is fine. In part it depends on how far back you sit. The TV has no vertical brightness falloff, so it's just an ergonomic issue really. From my 13' distance, I don't notice any upward tilt to my head when viewing, no fatigue at all.

My experience with FP units is that you want the bottom of the screen to be no higher than approximately eye level. If it's much higher than that, you tilt up. If it's there or lower, you don't need to. Some prefer it lower and I think that if you sit under 10' away that would make sense. The farther back you go, the less it matters.

Cheers

reincarnate, don't blame the qualia design team, the hdmi chipsets for handling 1080p aren't available or at least were not available during the design/fab of the Q006...I repeat, no TVs can accept 1080p at this time via hdmi...i agree that this is sad, and i hope that they will allow people to upgrade, somehow...but don't lay all the blame on the qualia folk, otherwise i'll have to question your intentions :)

Got my 400gb seagate hd the other day and the enclosure arrived today...I quickly assembled the drive, powered down my SA8300HD, connected the drive to the 8300, fired the drive up, proceeded to power up the 8300...voila, i went from 100% spaced used to 26% used....mmmm, back to recording more hd source to enjoy my Q :)

now i'll have to do the same with my other sa8300...

Do you believe this would be a good reason to wait, and not buy an 006 until a later date?

Do you believe this would be a good reason to wait, and not buy an 006 until a later date?

Yes, If you have the patience to wait a year (or possibly two). Or you could just buy the Q006 now and start enjoying, and then buy another one later that does accept 1080p/60. I hope to upgrade if and when it becomes available.

reincarnate, don't blame the qualia design team, the hdmi chipsets for handling 1080p aren't available or at least were not available during the design/fab of the Q006...I repeat, no TVs can accept 1080p at this time via hdmi...i agree that this is sad, and i hope that they will allow people to upgrade, somehow...but don't lay all the blame on the qualia folk, otherwise i'll have to question your intentions :)


Doesn't the Qualia 004 accept 1080p24 over HDMI?

Doesn't the Qualia 004 accept 1080p24 over HDMI?

that isn't a tv in my book :)

Yes, the 004 does accept 1080p24sf over HDMI. And no, it's not a "TV." :)

Mpsan, glad you like the TT-400 -- nice piece of furniture indeed. Those guys do a great job.

As for waiting or not, I don't think that Sony sees the 006 buyers and gamers as having much crossover (I'm not saying I agree) - I think they see gamers and PS3 customers as not the type to plop down 13k on a display but rather will be sitting in front of smaller 1080p monitors. Sony may come out with a 1080p upgrade or start shipping 006s in a year or two that have 1080p but THERE IS NO INDICATION FROM SONY THAT IT WILL HAPPEN. It is pure speculation.

OTOH, JVC is coming out with their 1080p DILA sets late this year. I don't know if those will accept 1080p60 -- if that's essential to you, you could wait to see what those take or don't take. Those will be nice TVs too and cheaper than the 006.

Cheers

Confused about the lip sync thingy ... If I intend not to use the 006 speakers...and send my Sat audio signal to my amp via digital and send the Sat video direct to the 006 via DVI, am I going to have a sync problem?

Confused about the lip sync thingy ... If I intend not to use the 006 speakers...and send my Sat audio signal to my amp via digital and send the Sat video direct to the 006 via DVI, am I going to have a sync problem?
The short answer is yes, no matter what TV you get.

The more accurate answer is . . . it depends.

Pretty much all fixed-pixel displays that have to do any kind of scaling (which means anything but a CRT or CRT-RPTV) introduce a slight delay between the video and the audio because processing the video takes time, but the TV can't delay the audio by the same amount when it goes directly from your source to your audio system. Some TV's are "quicker" than others, and it will depend heavily on your sources and your settings--and your ability to perceive it. This is why better AV amplifiers have an adjustable delay. IMHO, the Qualia is pretty good and I've found that a 30ms delay in audio at the amplifier is about right.

The same situation exists for adding external video processors.

--Dwayne

Do you believe this would be a good reason to wait, and not buy an 006 until a later date?
The reason to wait would be for Sony's lower cost SXRD TVs (with 5000:1 CR) to come out.

The reason to wait would be for Sony's lower cost SXRD TVs (with 5000:1 CR) to come out.
The one immutable Law of the A/V Universe: there will ALWAYS be something better/faster/cheaper/cooler down the road. IMHO it's hard to put a value on immediate gratification and enjoyment over the here and now. Plus, you might get hit by a truck and never get to enjoy the next great thing...

:D

The one immutable Law of the A/V Universe: there will ALWAYS be something better/faster/cheaper/cooler down the road. IMHO it's hard to put a value on immediate gratification and enjoyment over the here and now. Plus, you might get hit by a truck and never get to enjoy the next great thing...

:D
This is true. I was just trying to point out that waiting for a new model would probably be more beneficial than waiting for improvements in the current product.

This list has been a great help to me, so much so I decided to delay my 006 purchase.

I had just decided to commit to getting the 006, after coming to terms with parting with $13,000 for a TV. I have been to the Sony authorized store store several times to look at the gorgeous display, and justified the cost to myself in part because it seemed as future proof as any TV on the market right now and a excellent complement to my Sony FX-1 HD camcorder. That was until I found out from this list that it is not 1080p compatable. I think that Sony's advertising is slightly deceptive in pointing out that has 1080p resoulution without mentioning that it is not capable of accepting a 1080p signal. It never even crossed my mind that a 1080p TV would not accept a 1080p input - it just seems crazy! How can they annouce that the sub $500 PS3 will have 2 HDMI 1080p outputs when their $13,000 TV cannot accept the signal from it? The dealer was no help when they agreed with me several times when I pointed out that as good as the picture is now, I could not wait to see what it would be like with a 1080p input. Absolutely no indication that it would not work, and it was only after I confronted them today with the owners manual that they indicated they knew about the shortcoming.

This might not be a big deal to many people, but I want this TV to last 10 years or so and also want to continue to keep up with quality advances as they come (PS3 and Blue-Ray at 1080p). I am also planning on having a cabinet built for it, so the money I will have in it goes well over and above the cost of the TV itself. Lastly has anyone here tried to get rid of a big screen TV after is has passed its prime? I had started trying to sell my Pioneer Elite HD TV and could already see that it was going to be a big hassle that I do not want to have to do again anytime soon.

If Sony releases a update to the 006 to make it 1080p compliant I will be the first in line to buy it, until then I will watch the situation - and the market to see who comes up with universal HD TV first, with the 006's incredible picture quality.

ggreen21

First of all, take a chill pill.

Secondly, nobody currently makes the 1080p parts to accept 1080p.

When someone does comes up with a device to accept 1080p, there will always be something else around the corner that will cause you to want to wait.

Bottom line, its not worth getting worked up over because it a never ending vicious circle.

Remember, Blu-Ray will only output 1080I:)

Looking for a dealer on the SF Bay/Peninsula that I can go see the Q006? Anyone know if there is one in the area??

TIA

theyar

ggreen21

First of all, take a chill pill.

Secondly, nobody currently makes the 1080p parts to accept 1080p.

When someone does comes up with a device to accept 1080p, there will always be something else around the corner that will cause you to want to wait.

Bottom line, its not worth getting worked up over because it a never ending vicious circle.

I am totally with you on this JimP!!! If you keep thinking on "WHAT IF", you definitely go crazy! It is a never-ending circle, and I for one have not regretted buying early in the game. Besides it will not make too much of a difference when Blu-Ray comes around, and yes, Blu-Ray is 1080i.

I really didn't want to seem like I was that worked up over it, I did just come from the store and wrote the post. I think if I had already bought one I would be fine with it, the picture really is astounding - much better than anything else I have seen! I also believe that the 006 should be able to be eventually upgraded, but I want to wait and see what happens. I just got of the phone with Qualia and while they said that there were no cuurent plans to upgrade the 006, the 004 was a software upgrade and they didn't thing there would be a reason it could not potentially be done. I do have to point out that was a customer support rep and not a Qualia engineer so it's possible that they don't really know.

That said, I do find current HDTV situation a little frustrating. Like everyone else, I have been waiting through the iterations of HDTV over the years waiting for the the one that can produce all 1920*1080 pixels and support ALL the seemingly bazillion number of HDTV format standards. Once the HDTV's can do that, there should not be as much reason to upgrade. Sure there are no current components that support 1080p, but they several have been announced and components are a heck of a lot easier to eBay than TVs. I know that there will be something better around the corner always and that's fine, all I want is something that is a good size TV that is supports the new broadcast baseline.

I had a Sony XBR TV that I was perfectly happy with for 10 years because the NTSC broadcast standard never changed. Sure the TV's, became incrementally better through the years but the basic core broadcast standard did not. It's been a crazy period of turmoil that the TV industry has been going through and I thought the 006 marked the end of it in some sense. The Qualia 006 is so tantalizingly close to supporting all of the formats at their native resoultion, and it was disappointing to realize just days before I was to make my purchase that it did not have all of the capabilities I thought it had. It's hardly the end of the world, but in my case it just means a little more waiting.

even when a sets come out that can accept 1080p input, i doubt there will be any 1080p content!!

Looking for a dealer on the SF Bay/Peninsula that I can go see the Q006? Anyone know if there is one in the area??


They do have it in select Magnolia Hi-Fi stores. I know the one in San Ramon currently has one, unless someone has already snatched it. You know there's a bunch of rich folks around that area.

Also "3deye" aka "G", ordered his set from a local dealer near Mill Valley.

what happened to the page count?

i think they broke this forum over the last week.

I had a Sony XBR TV that I was perfectly happy with for 10 years because the NTSC broadcast standard never changed. Sure the TV's, became incrementally better through the years but the basic core broadcast standard did not. It's been a crazy period of turmoil that the TV industry has been going through and I thought the 006 marked the end of it in some sense. The Qualia 006 is so tantalizingly close to supporting all of the formats at their native resoultion, and it was disappointing to realize just days before I was to make my purchase that it did not have all of the capabilities I thought it had. It's hardly the end of the world, but in my case it just means a little more waiting.

Totally understandable! I guess you will be a Qualian later rather than sooner. We will be waiting for you too! :)

what happened to the page count?

i think they broke this forum over the last week.

NO SH**! I first I was wondering what the heck you were talking about, but then I realized we just lost 100 pages! Or was it just a dream? :D

NO SH**! I first I was wondering what the heck you were talking about, but then I realized we just lost 100 pages! Or was it just a dream? :D
No dream. I believe they simply added more posts to each page so we actually didn't lose to any other thread, we just done "condensed". Same thing happened with all the other threads on the forum.

Did you call or e-mail "The Man" yet?

NO SH**! I first I was wondering what the heck you were talking about, but then I realized we just lost 100 pages! Or was it just a dream? :D

kaduku,
And look what we got in return for our 100 pages . . . a green smiley face :D

NO SH**! I first I was wondering what the heck you were talking about, but then I realized we just lost 100 pages! Or was it just a dream? :D


They just deleted "Penton-Man" post. That would be about right. 100 pages more or less. just kidding yall. :D

They just deleted "Penton-Man" post. That would be about right. 100 pages more or less. just kidding yall. :D
Well then I've just got to kick her into overdrive. :D
(My first Penton was green :D)

Ggreen -
The 006 is not the ONLY display out there that will apparently not accept its "native" resolution(1080P).

In addition, unless you are a gamer, I suspect you will visualize no difference in your viewing experience with the 006’s lack of ability to accept 1080p 60fps.

Remember, Blu-Ray will only output 1080I:)
EXACT-A-MUNDO for about the 100th time. :)

even when a sets come out that can accept 1080p input, i doubt there will be any 1080p content!!

See....
http://www.cedmagazine.com/ced/2004/0604/06e.htm :)

I wish my cable company would just free up enough bandwidth(by getting rid of garbage that nobody watches) to just give me a couple more HD channels in 1080i or 720p for that matter.
The chance of that happening in the near future......0
VOD (Video On Demand) is where they see all their revenue coming in.

BTW BenDover,
Have you yet informed your better half of the actual price of the 006?????

No dream. I believe they simply added more posts to each page so we actually didn't lose to any other thread, we just done "condensed". Same thing happened with all the other threads on the forum.

Did you call or e-mail "The Man" yet?

Not yet, I am in the process of trying to buy that Sony HD video cam, and my wife does not know how much it is yet, so the calibration will have to wait a little. SHHHHHHHHHHHH

kaduku,
And look what we got in return for our 100 pages . . . a green smiley face :D

lol :D

i'm in west palm beach. i'm more than happy to be the guinea pig for the first Q006 that joe calibrates. i understand he has calibrated several Q004's already.


HIFI59

I sent you a private message. I live in Ft. Lauderdale and would like to get my Q calibrated too. Please furnish contact info.

Bernie

They do have it in select Magnolia Hi-Fi stores. I know the one in San Ramon currently has one, unless someone has already snatched it. You know there's a bunch of rich folks around that area.

Also "3deye" aka "G", ordered his set from a local dealer near Mill Valley.


Thanks kaduku! I looked at Magnolia in Palo Alto but they didn't have it... will continue to check...

the yar

Nope, wife is still clueless as to the price...at this point though, now that all of the new toys have come out of hiding, not sure that she would fret much over the q...besides, she really loves it and even her mom saw it and loved it!

On my bb so haven't checked your link yet PM, but the only thing further I would add to the topic would be that 1080p isn't in the ATSC standard, is it? :eek:

That's too techical for me....see post below.

I heard that “Hef” may be getting two…I say TWO (2) Qualia 006’s for his bedroom at the “mansion.”

If this comes to fruition, can you imagine the power that was just handed to the local NVC dispatcher in the Bel Air area in regards to assigning this cherry job to whatever crew.

I'm sorry, everyone, I'm just having an extremely difficult time here understanding how the Q could NOT accept 1080p. It's fixed pixel, so it just upconverts everything sent to it. OK. One day, it gets a pure 1080p signal...what would it do? Would it actually downconvert it to 1080i or 720p, then upconvert it again to 1080p? That's the only thing that could happen if the Q "does not accept 1080p signals", and that makes absolutely zero sense. Why would you even waste processing time and power to "downconverting" in any shape or form?

kaduku,
And look what we got in return for our 100 pages . . . a green smiley face :D

It will give Mini Dive something to play with :D

I got a call from my brother who went to a Sony invitation-only "event" this evening in Dallas. He and his wife thought it was related to his sister as she works for Sony Pictures Entertainment. Nope... turns out it was an unveiling... of the 006! Apparently some dealer in Dallas just got the 006 and decided to make a big splash of it, nevermind it's been around for a while now. I believe a Sony exec was on hand as well.

When he called he was going on and on about this amazing TV and how great it looked, etc. I said "You dipsh*t, that's the TV I have. You were SUPPOSED to come by and see it a month ago... oh well at least now you know how it looks."

I got a call from my brother who went to a Sony invitation-only "event" this evening in Dallas. He and his wife thought it was related to his sister as she works for Sony Pictures Entertainment. Nope... turns out it was an unveiling... of the 006! Apparently some dealer in Dallas just got the 006 and decided to make a big splash of it, nevermind it's been around for a while now. I believe a Sony exec was on hand as well.

When he called he was going on and on about this amazing TV and how great it looked, etc. I said "You dipsh*t, that's the TV I have. You were SUPPOSED to come by and see it a month ago... oh well at least now you know how it looks."

lol, that is so funny man! :D

Ggreen -
The 006 is not the ONLY display out there that will apparently not accept its "native" resolution(1080P).

In addition, unless you are a gamer, I suspect you will visualize no difference in your viewing experience with the 006’s lack of ability to accept 1080p 60fps.

[ Penton says the "g"-word and Zechman's head pops up . . . . ]

ggreen21:
FWIW, I am one of the resident gamers here and I love this set for games, even without 1080p. First off, like many have said, there is no content out there, except for PC's via DVI and possibly the upcoming PS3. Even the XBox 360 is supposed to top out at 1080i/720p. Plus there's the other gaming advantages like the SXRD panels' fast 5ms refresh rate, and no worries about burn-in. The large screen makes the experience very immersive and the set is bright enough so that you don't have to play in a darkened room at all.

Another thing that most people aren't aware of is that this set's high native resolution really brings out the details in 1080i in a way that you just won't see on anything else, except MAYBE the very very best CRT sets.

Honestly, the fact that it's Sony that we expect to bring us the first 1080p-capable game system actually lends me some hope that Sony will also upgrade their flagship TV to display it. After all, they're going to have to show this 1080p feature off at trade shows and such, aren't they? Right now, and likely for the next year, the only 1920x1080 displays from Sony will be SXRD.

(Of course the gaping hole in this line of thinking is that a Qualia 004 sure is a whole lot more portable and capable of projecting a bigger picture at a trade show. :( )

--Dwayne

P.S. But you're absolutely right to be upset at the salespeople who didn't know enough to give you accurate information about the set up front!

Nope, wife is still clueless as to the price...at this point though, now that all of the new toys have come out of hiding, not sure that she would fret much over the q...besides, she really loves it and even her mom saw it and loved it!

On my bb so haven't checked your link yet PM, but the only thing further I would add to the topic would be that 1080p isn't in the ATSC standard, is it? :eek:

As I understand it, 1080p at 24Hz and 30Hz is in the standard, but 60Hz is not.

EDIT: Here's a nice chart, courtesy of Gateway, of all places.
FAQ: What are the 18 formats of ATSC standard? (http://support.gateway.com/s/CsmrEltrncs/DigitalTV/Shared/2517984faq42.shtml)

--Dwayne

I heard that “Hef” may be getting two…I say TWO (2) Qualia 006’s for his bedroom at the “mansion.”

If this comes to fruition, can you imagine the power that was just handed to the local NVC dispatcher in the Bel Air area in regards to assigning this cherry job to whatever crew.
Somehow I don't think ol' H.H. will have any trouble convincing NVC to send a 4-man delivery crew, either.
Hell, they'll probably send an 8-man delivery crew, since he's getting two of them! :D

--Dwayne

I'm sorry, everyone, I'm just having an extremely difficult time here understanding how the Q could NOT accept 1080p. It's fixed pixel, so it just upconverts everything sent to it. OK. One day, it gets a pure 1080p signal...what would it do? Would it actually downconvert it to 1080i or 720p, then upconvert it again to 1080p? That's the only thing that could happen if the Q "does not accept 1080p signals", and that makes absolutely zero sense. Why would you even waste processing time and power to "downconverting" in any shape or form?
Here's the part you're missing: When fed a signal that the TV doesn't accept, the TV will display nothing--not do down-conversion or anything like that.

Same as it would if I fed it a signal from an FM antenna or my satellite multiswitch or an Ethernet cable or an RS-232 serial cable. No valid signal means no display at all.

--Dwayne

Well I finally got my Q after some delivery fiasco. And of course the day I get it we have a black out. So there she was sitting in my TV room in the dark all night. That was painful. :)

I finally got to see the Q in action a little last night, except my viewing distance is 5 feet as it turned out my existing TV stand is too small!! Q is just sitting on the floor in the middle of the room.

I was happy at the DVD playback. It was really good considering the size of the screen and the resolution that was being upconverted. Worth the money? I would say yeah. I was very pleased with it.

Watched some HD broadcast and now noticed my Cox service has a lot of compression. Never noticed it as much on my XBR CRT, but then when in 16:9 mode I affectively had a 30" display. With a bigger screen it is easier to notice more problems. It was acceptable, but there was a twinge of dissappointment. But I was kind of expecting that. I know from upgrading my sound system that you really need a good source. Garbage in will be garbage out. I'm feeling a little numb at this point thinking I could have bought a GSXR 1000 instead.

Then I tuned into the Discovery HD last night and took in their nature shows. WOW!!!! OH MY GOSH!!! My jaws just dropped. I was salivating all night long. There was this show on predatory behavior of different animals. It was so impressive. There were snake scenes that I was actually nervous watching because it looked so real. And the detail and clarity was just mind boggling. Watched until 1am and staying home from work today to fiddle with the Q. I am one happy camper!!!

And this is sitting 5 feet away from the Q. I am noticing grain on some shows. Not sure if this what Veinboy is talking about. But I notice that PQ can vary widely on the same program. I'm thinking that what I'm seeing is the limitation of the various optics cinematographers are using to catpure with??? Some scenes show grain and others are completely prestine.

Anyone in San Diego have any preference to cable or directTV? Sure would be nice to get a clean HD feed. I'm thinking the bugs are going to have to be incorporated to compensate as it looks like service providers will if anything compress even more to squeeze in more programming unfortunately.

Alright, heading off to Stereo Design to pick up the new TV stand. By the way, they have the Wilson Alexandria speakers in and setup for demo. Elite speakers for an elite TV? Well might have to upgrade to 004 for those? :)

Great to have another 006 owner in the Diego! Glad you like it -- give my regards to Steve and the gang at Stereo Design. As between cable and sat, well, they're both compressed like crazy, pick your poison IMHO.

Cheers

xrispy...

We had the same thing on DiscoveryHD...and INHD2. My wife, at one time loved Trading Spaces...saw a whole lot of them.

Then one day we turned on the TV and DiscoveryHD had a Trading Spaces on. We both said WOW at the same time and watched it. :D When the designers commented in different shades of a color or texture we saw it too...for the first time!

Good luck with the Q. I also see that the source quality changes so much even on the same show!

I got a call from my brother who went to a Sony invitation-only "event" this evening in Dallas. He and his wife thought it was related to his sister as she works for Sony Pictures Entertainment. Nope... turns out it was an unveiling... of the 006! Apparently some dealer in Dallas just got the 006 and decided to make a big splash of it, nevermind it's been around for a while now. I believe a Sony exec was on hand as well.

When he called he was going on and on about this amazing TV and how great it looked, etc. I said "You dipsh*t, that's the TV I have. You were SUPPOSED to come by and see it a month ago... oh well at least now you know how it looks."

kanebear,
Which dealer had the big unveiling in Dallas?

I just saw my first Qualia 006, and it was completely by chance. I was actually shopping for a refrigerator!

I went to Pacific Sales in Corona, CA. While browsing their huge showroom, I noticed they had an HT section. Obviously I had to take a look. When I walked in, there she was in all her glory...a beautiful Qualia 006 that they had just got in a couple days ago. Wow, this set just has ultra high quality written all over it! Incredible looking TV just from an aesthetics point of view.

The salesman turned the set on (I was there when the doors opened). The picture quality from HD was excellent, as expected. Very clean, and I didn't notice a single artifact of any kind (we were watching Discovery HD). Later, he put on a DVD of The Aviator, and the PQ was still very impressive to say the least.

I then asked about price, and I was surprised at how much he was discounting the set from MSRP (about $2000 off) as I didn't think anyone was really discounting these sets much.

Even that price is probably out of my range for my "everyday" set that will go in my family room, but it is tempting..........

C'mon Rob-
A DVD player such as what you have DEMANDS mating with an 006.

I also got my frig at Pacific Sales.....GREAT prices.

C'mon Rob-
A DVD player such as what you have DEMANDS mating with an 006.

I also got my frig at Pacific Sales.....GREAT prices.

Actually I would have to get another DVD player since my Elite is dedicated to my DWIN TV3 and the 123 inch Silverstar! :)

Yes, this was my first visit to Pacific Sales and I was VERY impressed with the entire store, including the HT department.

Is that price for the 006 ($2k off) a good one?

Actually I would have to get another DVD player since my Elite is dedicated to my DWIN TV3 and the 123 inch Silverstar! :)

Yes, this was my first visit to Pacific Sales and I was VERY impressed with the entire store, including the HT department.

Is that price for the 006 ($2k off) a good one?
Nobody that I know of here has posted a better price for the display.

Nobody that I know of here has posted a better price for the display.

That's what I thought.

Now, how do I buy it without the wife knowing the price!?!? ;)

Yes, I found the same price on the Net (no sales tax) -- you won't do much better to my knowledge. Good luck!

Cheers

Hi all

Can anyone comment on an optimal DVD player for the Qualia 006?

Our Qualia arrives tomorrow and we have been pitched on the following options:
1-Denon dv 5910 $3,499.99
2-Denon dv 3910 $1,499.99
3-Pioneer Elite dv59avi $ 999.99 (on sale-reg $1,499.99)

Will we notice any degradtion of image quality with the Pioneer Elite dv59avi versus upgrading to the Denon dv 3910? Please advise.

Thanks,
Joel

Hi all

Can anyone comment on an optimal DVD player for the Qualia 006?

Our Qualia arrives tomorrow and we have been pitched on the following options:
1-Denon dv 5910 $3,499.99
2-Denon dv 3910 $1,499.99
3-Pioneer Elite dv59avi $ 999.99 (on sale-reg $1,499.99)

Will we notice any degradtion of image quality with the Pioneer Elite dv59avi versus upgrading to the Denon dv 3910? Please advise.

Thanks,
Joel

While there have been a few postings about better quality with the Denons, most here feel the money will be better spent on a new Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player, when they're expected to become available for sale late this year or early spring next year.

I think the majority of posters here are using the Sony HDMI DVD player, which sells retail around $300, and are very happy.

[QUOTE=Rob Tomlin]
Now, how do I buy it without the wife knowing the price!?!? ;)

I don't know....ask BenDover. :)

It's gonna end up costing me a trip to Tahiti, a cruise around the Society Islands AND a necklace of Tahitian black pearls for my honesty. :eek:

Hi all

Can anyone comment on an optimal DVD player for the Qualia 006?

Our Qualia arrives tomorrow and we have been pitched on the following options:
1-Denon dv 5910 $3,499.99
2-Denon dv 3910 $1,499.99
3-Pioneer Elite dv59avi $ 999.99 (on sale-reg $1,499.99)

Will we notice any degradtion of image quality with the Pioneer Elite dv59avi versus upgrading to the Denon dv 3910? Please advise.

Thanks,
Joel
jb is correct....keep in mind that Blu-ray is on the horizon (still first week in March 06 for its debut).
BUUUUUT if you've got alot of Penton paper laying around, you already have a fairly large DVD collection and you want an EXCELLENT player for audio purposes...I'd say the Pio 59 avi.
Brt just bought one and we haven't heard from him in awhile so he's probably immersed in it.
Rob Tomlin is a DVD player guru so perhaps he can chime in also.

Our Qualia arrives tomorrow and we have been pitched on the following options:
1-Denon dv 5910 $3,499.99
2-Denon dv 3910 $1,499.99
3-Pioneer Elite dv59avi $ 999.99 (on sale-reg $1,499.99)

Will we notice any degradtion of image quality with the Pioneer Elite dv59avi versus upgrading to the Denon dv 3910?
Out of those three players you should get better results with the Pioneer Elite DV59avi. It's the only one that will deliver 480i over HDMI, which allows the excellent processor in the Qualia to perform the deinterlacing and scaling. I had the Sony 975 (one of the only other players to do 480i over HDMI) but traded up to the P59 as the Sony's reliability is suspect (many users have problems with tray lock). In addition, if you want to upgrade and add an external processor (like the Algolith Dragonfly or Mosquito), the ability to send 480i over HDMI is essential...

Totally immersed, PM, totally immersed...
:D

jb is correct....keep in mind that Blu-ray is on the horizon (still first week in March 06 for its debut).
BUUUUUT if you've got alot of Penton paper laying around, you already have a fairly large DVD collection and you want an EXCELLENT player for audio purposes...I'd say the Pio 59 avi.
Brt just bought one and we haven't heard from him in awhile so he's probably immersed in it.
Rob Tomlin is a DVD player guru so perhaps he can chime in also.

Nah, not a DVD guru at all....that designation is for Kris Deering (who listed the Pioneer Elite 59avi and Denon 3910 as a tie for DVD players of the year last year).

I love my Elite. It is a great player for the money.

I agree with the comments made by brt3 as well regarding the advantages of the Elite being able to send a 480i signal via HDMI. This player is a steal at the prices you can get them for now.

kanebear,
Which dealer had the big unveiling in Dallas?

I believe it was "Star Power Home Entertainment" but I'm not quite sure. He said they'd gone completely over the top and had a red carpet laid out at the entrance etc etc. I can't remember the name of the Sony exec, i'll have to call and see if he remembers.

Oh, and the Umr has landed... :D Calibration to start 8 AM tomorrow. SuhWEET!

....keep in mind that Blu-ray is on the horizon (still first week in March 06 for its debut).

I can't imagine that there are going to be any large numbers of HD players or much software out there in 2006 given all of the talk by Sony and Toshiba of a unified format being inevitable.

....most here feel the money will be better spent on a new Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player, when they're expected to become available for sale late this year or early spring next year...


Hey, aren't all you Qualia owners going to unite and support Sony and not purchase HD-DVD?!
Even if you can afford it, don't buy both! Let's not support a format war!--choose one only and stick with it! Choose BluRay!

given all of the talk by Sony and Toshiba of a unified format being inevitable.

Yup, TALK is the operative word here.

And unless my Viagra has effected my brain as well as my eyes (welp I guess the Optic Nerves are part of da brain considering they be Cranial Nerves)…..soooooo I’ll restate….
Unless my Viagra has effected my frontal lobes as well as my eyes, "all of" refers to one article from Japan which was quoted endlessly on forums and in a few U.S. newspapers and later the significance of which was discounted by Sony execs.

Unfortunately, Lars, unless the Mod Squad from Congress steps in (Whom, B.T.W. should be awarded Time Men of the Year), I do see a format war brewing. This time I think Sony has the firepower to win ….and it deserves too…being the better format for consumers.
P.S.
For inquiring minds, No, I don’t require Viagra, it is reserved for dem special occasions when zee queen requires 4 hours of constant org*sms.

In addition, if you want to upgrade and add an external processor (like the Algolith Dragonfly or Mosquito), the ability to send 480i over HDMI is essential...

Totally immersed, PM, totally immersed...
:D

Speaking of which…..tear yourself or Elmo away from your Pio DVD player and tell us what you meant by “make SD watchable”…..were you primarily referring to analog or digital SD?

Someone else asked that awhile back but I guess you missed his query.

[QUOTE=Penton-Man] I do see a format war brewing. This time I think Sony has the firepower to win ….and it deserves too…being the better format for consumers.
QUOTE]

So does this mean you'll resist temptation and NOT buy HD-DVD, even if they have some of your favorite titles? (I can say I will absolutely refuse to support a format war--it's BluRay or nothing, unless they do unite before I purchase--but the latest word is that unification would be after they both test the waters with their individual products, meaning years away....)

That's what I thought.

Now, how do I buy it without the wife knowing the price!?!? ;)
Mrs. Zechman knew the price up front. I definitely played up the part about saving $2G over MSRP. I also played up how I saved another $1500 by buying an amplifier that's not the top-of-the-line-deluxe model but one step down. But at this point, there's no amount of playing up savings in the world that will let me get a new DVD player (even a Sony 975) by her. :(

Now that we have the TV and the sound system, Mrs. Zechman likes it a lot.
She's become even more of an elitist TV snob than I am!

She just told me that it will only cost me some new bedroom furniture and several dinners out. :p

--Dwayne

Hi all

Can anyone comment on an optimal DVD player for the Qualia 006?

Our Qualia arrives tomorrow and we have been pitched on the following options:
1-Denon dv 5910 $3,499.99
2-Denon dv 3910 $1,499.99
3-Pioneer Elite dv59avi $ 999.99 (on sale-reg $1,499.99)

Will we notice any degradtion of image quality with the Pioneer Elite dv59avi versus upgrading to the Denon dv 3910? Please advise.



IMHO, I had both players, but decided on the 3910. I thought the PQ was better. Now if you have the bucks and are not worried about having to fork out more money later for Blu-Ray, then go for the gold (5910) :)

[QUOTE=Penton-Man] I do see a format war brewing. This time I think Sony has the firepower to win ….and it deserves too…being the better format for consumers.
QUOTE]

So does this mean you'll resist temptation and NOT buy HD-DVD, even if they have some of your favorite titles? (I can say I will absolutely refuse to support a format war--it's BluRay or nothing, unless they do unite before I purchase--but the latest word is that unification would be after they both test the waters with their individual products, meaning years away....)

Well personally I plan to get the Sony Blu-ray player around the time it debuts because it should *communicate* more effectively (or with less glitches) over HDMI and i.Link with my 006 than other brands…….and Laurence of Arabia will be on Blu-ray. :D

And I’ll resist temptation and NOT buy HD-DVD not because of any inherent brand (or format in this case) loyalty but….. because, I can just foresee that if I were to buy both at around the same time….it will end up costing me a trip to the Orient and some Jade thingee or other. :eek:

Of course if Blu-ray loses, Yup, I’ll be gettin both….and resigning myself to add to the travel itinerary and jewelry collection of zee queen. :cool:

Dwayne,
I forgot.
What components did you eventually buy to drive your speakers?

Mrs. Zechman knew the price up front. I definitely played up the part about saving $2G over MSRP. I also played up how I saved another $1500 by buying an amplifier that's not the top-of-the-line-deluxe model but one step down. But at this point, there's no amount of playing up savings in the world that will let me get a new DVD player (even a Sony 975) by her. :(

Now that we have the TV and the sound system, Mrs. Zechman likes it a lot.
She's become even more of an elitist TV snob than I am!

She just told me that it will only cost me some new bedroom furniture and several dinners out. :p

--Dwayne

Well, unfortunately I don't think there will be any successful convincing going on in light of the fact that we just decided to take the plunge on a ridiculously expensive refrigerator (a built-in model), that was roughly half the cost of what the Qualia would be. :eek:

Well personally I plan to get the Sony Blu-ray player around the time it debuts because it should *communicate* more effectively (or with less glitches) over HDMI and i.Link with my 006 than other brands…….and Laurence of Arabia will be on Blu-ray. :D


I agree!

If ever there was an argument for Blu-Ray, it is the fact that the best movie ever made, Lawrence of Arabia, will be on that format!

And if ever there were a movie that DEMANDS to be in High Def, Lawrence of Arabia is it (unless you can see it in glorious 70mm)!!!!

IMHO, I had both players, but decided on the 3910. I thought the PQ was better.

As always, if possible, try them both out on YOUR equipment (presumably the Qualia in this case) to decide.

I did, and came to a different conclusion: DVD Player Shootout (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=484316) (this comparison included the Onkyo SP1000 as well as the Denon 3910 and Pio Elite 59avi).

I did, and came to a different conclusion: DVD Player Shootout (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=484316) (this comparison included the Onkyo SP1000 as well as the Denon 3910 and Pio Elite 59avi).
Like I said, DVD guru. :)
Kris is a DVD god. :eek:

B.T.W. - kaduku is one of the first wave 006 owners. :)

B.T.W. - kaduku is one of the first wave 006 owners. :)

Thanks for mentioning that PM :)

Well, unfortunately I don't think there will be any successful convincing going on in light of the fact that we just decided to take the plunge on a ridiculously expensive refrigerator (a built-in model), that was roughly half the cost of what the Qualia would be. :eek:



Rob,

I don't know what size you were interested in but there will be a 60inch SXRD from Sony KDSR60A10 for a MSRP of 4,999.99 in Oct. of 2005. I doubt it will be as nice as the Qualia but it should come close and I am in the market for a 60inch 1080P set. Hopefully this one will include a 1080P input, if not I will wait for one that does.

Speaking of which…..tear yourself or Elmo away from your Pio DVD player and tell us what you meant by “make SD watchable”…..were you primarily referring to analog or digital SD? Someone else asked that awhile back but I guess you missed his query.
Sorry to not catch that; at times I'm on the road and follow the thread on my Treo 650 (thanks, Veriz*n, for finally coming around!)...

The Dragonfly/Mosquito combo should enhance all my SD sources: C*mcast analog (very nearly unwatchable at this point), C*mcast Digital SD (just watchable to OK, depending on the channel), and DVD (which is pretty good at 480i/HDMI/Pioneer Elite DV-59AVi). The basis of comparison here is DVHS, which is awfully close to perfect (in a less than 4K world). The Algolith Mosquito should also have a big impact on the block artifacts that are my sworn enemy on C*mcast HD content. The more I watch the more I see...

In my house D*recTV had far superior PQ to C*mcast, especially on non-HD content. My beloved F1 was far more watchable then, but D*recTV (or, in reality, our arcane legal system) screwed me on HD content -- I couldn't get any local HD content because of the "local affiliate waiver" game, and though I'm familiar with the ways around this the recent availability of the C*mcast/6412 HD recorder made me surrender to the Dark Side...

Rob,

I don't know what size you were interested in but there will be a 60inch SXRD from Sony KDSR60A10 for a MSRP of 4,999.99 in Oct. of 2005. I doubt it will be as nice as the Qualia but it should come close and I am in the market for a 60inch 1080P set. Hopefully this one will include a 1080P input, if not I will wait for one that does.

Really? Wow!

If this is accurate, this is definitely worth waiting for. Sounds interesting to say the least (and 60 to 65 inches is just about right).

Thanks for the info.

Wow, I finally watched "House of Flying Daggers" tonight and what a beautiful movie to watch on the Q. Not only a great transfer, but a great story too!

Two thumbs up :)

Actually I would have to get another DVD player since my Elite is dedicated to my DWIN TV3 and the 123 inch Silverstar! :)

Yes, this was my first visit to Pacific Sales and I was VERY impressed with the entire store, including the HT department.

Is that price for the 006 ($2k off) a good one?

This price on the 006 from Pac. Sales includes delivery and a 5 year warranty. They seem to be quite good with service also as a friend bought a JVC dila from them and had a prob a week or two in and they brought out a replacement with no questions asked. Delivery included basic setup on their set.

Roy

I couldn't get any local HD content because of the "local affiliate waiver" game, and though I'm familiar with the ways around this the recent availability of the C*mcast/6412 HD recorder made me surrender to the Dark Side...

Ray, You have a PM :)

I believe it was "Star Power Home Entertainment" but I'm not quite sure. He said they'd gone completely over the top and had a red carpet laid out at the entrance etc etc. I can't remember the name of the Sony exec, i'll have to call and see if he remembers.

kanebear,
That is interesting, considering Star Power has had a 006 on display since the first week of March. That is where I purchased mine.

kanebear,
That is interesting, considering Star Power has had a 006 on display since the first week of March. That is where I purchased mine.

Odd. Perhaps they finally got good availability and are trying to market it now. Pretty innovative way to sell a high end TV, IMO. I would imagine they'll have zero problem selling a ton of 'em into North Dallas.

This price on the 006 from Pac. Sales includes delivery and a 5 year warranty. They seem to be quite good with service also as a friend bought a JVC dila from them and had a prob a week or two in and they brought out a replacement with no questions asked. Delivery included basic setup on their set.

Roy

Good to know. I am definitely impressed with Pacific Sales so far. It does seem a little funny to think that we could very well turn out buying both a high and refrigerator and high end television there!

:cool:

Yup, TALK is the operative word here.

And unless my Viagra has effected my brain as well as my eyes (welp I guess the Optic Nerves are part of da brain considering they be Cranial Nerves)…..soooooo I’ll restate….



Watch out for that Viagra stuff - latest news is the FDA is investigating cases where blindness is occurring in Viagra users - that will definitely reduce your enjoyment of your home theater.

As far as it only being talk - yeah that is a valid criticism. Except for one thing - the talk is is right on the money. The market for high def DVD players is such that it WILL NOT support two competing formats. Not that high a percentage of homes have HDTV's - and there is going to be an even smaller percentage of people who will be willing to buy into a situation where there are two compting formats. Look what that situation has done to DVD-A and SACD.

Dwayne,
I forgot.
What components did you eventually buy to drive your speakers?
My AV receiver is the Sony STR-DA5000ES. I wanted a digital amp with 7.1 and enough optical inputs (4). I was originally looking at the STR-DA9000ES, but shifted down, saving ~$1500 and giving up features that I wouldn't have used anyway (DVI, iLink that ONLY works with the Sony ES SACD player, 200Wx7 vs. 170Wx7, more inputs).

Like the 006 itself, it has discrete remote codes for everything, making programming my Philips Pronto remote easy. The 5000's LCD two-way remote is pretty sweet. The 9000's remote is also touch-screen, but since I already have the Pronto, it would be superfluous.

My unit is recent enough that is doesn't suffer from the hiss problems that others reported when it first came out. I might later change it out for the 7100(?) model that's supposed to be out sometime this year, which adds HDMI switching.

The 5000 drives a full set of Infinity Beta series (http://www.infinitysystems.com/homeaudio/series.aspx?SerId=BET) speakers:
2 x 50 (Left and Right)
1 x C360 (Center)
2 x ES250 (Surrounds)
1 x ES250 (bi-wired to act as both surround back left and surround back right)
1 x SW10 (Subwoofer)

Mrs. Zechman highly approves of the sound system, especially the way you can select FM radio stations by name from the LCD remote.

--Dwayne

P.S. When I was setting up the sound system, Mrs. Zechman joked about how we were getting to the point where we had more remotes than we had things to control with them. At that point, I was forced to show her that the 5000 in fact had a 2nd remote, and I nearly got slapped . . . . :eek:

Dwayne
Thanks for the reply concerning audio delay. Doesn't look like my NAD 773 gives me that option though, outside of your Sony STR-DA5000ES is there any external device that can be put inline to adjust delay? I will be very disappointed if I get out of lip sync syndrome.

My stand is done and have installed internal lighting behind the stained glass door panels and roll out CD / DVD storage trays. I will snap some pics maybe later today and post same. Still not received 006 delivery yet. Man if it takes any longer I may as well wait until 2006 models.



Quote:
(Pretty much all fixed-pixel displays that have to do any kind of scaling (which means anything but a CRT or CRT-RPTV) introduce a slight delay between the video and the audio because processing the video takes time, but the TV can't delay the audio by the same amount when it goes directly from your source to your audio system. Some TV's are "quicker" than others, and it will depend heavily on your sources and your settings--and your ability to perceive it. This is why better AV amplifiers have an adjustable delay. IMHO, the Qualia is pretty good and I've found that a 30ms delay in audio at the amplifier is about right.

The same situation exists for adding external video processors.

--Dwayne

Zech/neo,

FWIW, I have not seen any lip sync problems from any source (i.e., digital cable box or dvd player). One is connected to input 6, the other to input 7. both feed their audio to my receiver; cable box via optical, the dvd player via i.link (1394). since your posts i have made conscious effort to detect any such delay and i can not perceive any. that being said, my receiver can adjust delay if i in fact did see any (yamah rx-z9).

i'll continue to look for it but so far i have fortunately not been subjected to such a problem.

i am also noting that i haven't seen other reports of lip sync...is it something limited to hd tivo boxes and/or the particular connections you two are using?

I had the lipsync problem with my Q006 and the HD Tivo. Changed to "Direct" as suggested on this forum and the problem is solved. I'll look for it on the SA 8300HD, next time I'm on that box. It's only used for my wife's "Tennis Channel".

I would like some clarification if this feature should be turned on or off or use one of the other 2 modes instead. I understand that cinemotion should be used with film and regular TV shows but not with live action and sports. Can someone clarify when it should be used for the best picture. Thanks

Arnie

I have a Sony DVD recorder. I used the correct Sony code but I can not get it to work at all. I can get my cable box to work but not the Sony DVD recorder. Are there any tricks to use Thanks

Arnie

My AV receiver is the Sony STR-DA5000ES. I wanted a digital amp with 7.1 and enough optical inputs (4). I was originally looking at the STR-DA9000ES, but shifted down, saving ~$1500 and giving up features that I wouldn't have used anyway (DVI, iLink that ONLY works with the Sony ES SACD player, 200Wx7 vs. 170Wx7, more inputs).

Like the 006 itself, it has discrete remote codes for everything, making
P.S. When I was setting up the sound system, Mrs. Zechman joked about how we were getting to the point where we had more remotes than we had things to control with them. At that point, I was forced to show her that the 5000 in fact had a 2nd remote, and I nearly got slapped . . . . :eek:

LOL,

Why is it that all wives have this aversion to an army of remotes?
It sort of provides me with positive reinforcement as to what I’ve gotten for spending so much Penton Paper on all dem toys.

Watch out for that Viagra stuff - latest news is the FDA is investigating cases where blindness is occurring in Viagra users - that will definitely reduce your enjoyment of your home theater.

Which is why I said...."And unless my Viagra has effected my brain as well as my eyes (welp I guess the Optic Nerves are part of da brain considering they be Cranial Nerves)."

Honestly, I only tried the stuff once and really didn’t notice any difference (I don’t know if that is a compliment to my manhood or an insult to Pfiizer)……EXCEPT that is caused me terrible heartburn – so never again.

Hopefully, for consumers there won’t be a format war but, I’m not holding my breath…..even if I have to…..Laurence on Blu-ray can keep me happy for a looooong time.:D

One thing that I have noticed with this current discussion on lipsych problems and Arnies recent query on Cinemotion…..is an interesting tidbit that I have experienced that may be anecdotal but I have to experiment more with...and perhaps others should?

You guys know the way the manual states that Cinemotion only works with 480i. I believe that many here also remember that one of our 006 owners( rcohen- I think) has stated that he believes that Cinemotion (despite what the manual says) indeed does work with 1080i sources….or at least makes the picture look better with it enabled (and he believes he has proven this with some Dwayne-like computer evaluation that is way over my head)……..

Welp to make a long story short, I tried Cinemotion on the 006 with a DVD player outputting 1080i and experienced some lipsych issues whereas when I reset the player to output 480i (still on Cinemotion) no such lipsych problems occurred with this particular DVD....may have to see if this is an anomaly or whether it is a common occurrence when trying Cinemotion with 1080i.

might[/I] later change it out for the 7100(?) model that's supposed to be out sometime this year, which adds HDMI switching.

Yup, that be da Sony STR-DA7100ES.....which I'm currently looking at somewhat seriously.
Tell me Dwayne, do you think with your current AV receiver you are getting a true 170W/channel .....or is this simply a paper spec.

I haven't really followed Sony's sound stuff.

As UMR's Qualia Experience thread was closed (inexplicably 13 days after the last post when the flames had died out) I'll have to post this here. I had my calibration done yesterday. I was expecting incremental improvements. I got those. What I didn't expect was the extreme improvements in greyscale, clarity, detail and noise reduction.

I wasn't there for most of the time as I had to get to the office but we did have a minute to look at the results from the pattern generator before I left. It showed quite a bit of filtering on the component inputs at 1080i. DVI/HDMI was much much better and almost matched iLink at 1080. A surprising find was that 480i/p over HDMI had some loss of detail (when viewing the multiburst pattern) and that the components outperformed HDMI at the lower resolution.

After calibration, I saw the expected accuracy in the grey scale, better color accuracy and massive improvement in the (yes, I will say it) CRT-like black. What I didn't expect was the improvement in my sources over component.

I have a Hi-Vision LD player running through a Sony MSC-4000 MUSE decoder. On the Sony decoder's menu displays I always saw substantial ringing through the Q. It was less apparent while watching MUSE LDs but still visible in some cases and was incredibly frustrating. When I returned to see the results, the ringing was GONE. Also, the picture was significantly less noisy with more detail. Apparently, UMR found the service menu entry he was looking for that tweaks the filtering done on the inputs. All I can say is, WOW. Also, the improvement in greyscale and color was major. What I thought was accurate before turned out to be far too blue. I was using the middle color setting, not warm, as I felt the warm had too much red to it. NOW it looks perfect. As a bonus, the warm setting is now calibrated for black & white movies... perfect!

Thus, if you haven't had a calibration done yet, I STRONGLY advise you to do so. You aren't getting everything out of your set until you have. I highly recommend Jeff/UMR. His pricing is higher than others; I believe his value is MUCH higher than others.

A surprising find was that 480i/p over HDMI had some loss of detail (when viewing the multiburst pattern) and that the components outperformed HDMI at the lower resolution.

Looks like those that chose the Panny S97S as their interim player before Blu-ray debuts are smilin !! :)

Thus, if you haven't had a calibration done yet, I STRONGLY advise you to do so. You aren't getting everything out of your set until you have. I highly recommend Jeff/UMR. His pricing is higher than others; I believe his value is MUCH higher than others.
So, umr, when are you going to do a SoCal tour?

JB, Joel other SoCal guys... ?
I think we've got a little army of 006 owners down here.

Gotta get back to the Indy.
Even though its not in HD (thumbs WAY down to ABC)

I'm hoping to see Dario's Ashley in some hot outfit and cheering for Danica to win.
Just wondering...if Petite Power pulls it off...will anyone bitch about here weighing only 100 or so lbs.?

Later

Gotta get back to the Indy.
Even though its not in HD (thumbs WAY down to ABC)... Just wondering...if Petite Power pulls it off...will anyone bitch about here weighing only 100 or so lbs.?

Man, ABC totally blew it -- the Greatest Spectacle in Racing® in SD? But then, I gotta say Tony George has totally ruined the race; what was the Rock & Roll/NBA style "player intro" about? Guess I'll just watch the rest of my F1 on the HD-DVR, then switch over to ABC live to see how Ms. Patrick is doing. I'm rooting for her, as I'd like to see Letterman/Rahal win back-to-back Indys...

It is incredible to me that this race is NOT in HD!

Unbelievable.

So, instead of watching it on my 123 inch screen, I have to watch it on my 46 inch Mitsubishi. :(

I assume the Coca Cola 600 at Charlotte on Fox will be in HD.

Yes, I can't believe the race is not in HD. How on earth would they think otherwise is beyond me for such an event.

BRT3 - are you picking up F1 in HD???

Penton-Man - I would definately be interested in a calibration. Josh from DOCDVD will be in So. Cali second week of June. I was thinking of having him do it (my mom's bday that week so big if as I may be out of town), but I need to ask him how much experience he has unless anyone here knows. Joel? UMR sounds like the ideal person experience wise with the Q although Josh seems to be moving a lot of Q's.

Man, I have done nothing for the past couple of days except stare at the Q looking for any morsel of fine HD programming and watching DVD's noticing a lot of detail I've never noticed before. Definately the first TV to captivate my attention this much as I would normally be going stir crazy staying couped up at home by now. She definately needs to be dialed in though on the settings I noticed.

I would like some clarification if this feature should be turned on or off or use one of the other 2 modes instead. I understand that cinemotion should be used with film and regular TV shows but not with live action and sports. Can someone clarify when it should be used for the best picture. Thanks

Arnie
My understanding is that Cinemotion is the setting where the TV looks for the cadence of frames where every fifth frame is a repeat of frame #4, so that it can remove it. This is the way that the studios convert 24fps film into 30fps video. The Cinemotion setting (reverse 3:2 pulldown or inverse telecine) essentially converts it back to 24fps for you so that motion (especially vertical) looks smoother.

An easy-to-see A/B test is to watch the beginning of any Star Wars DVD with the opening scrolling text--it has a tendency to jitter without the Cinemotion setting.

That said, I do have that setting turned on for the input that's fed by my HDTiVo, since it's mainly used for movies. I don't know for sure that it's actually DOING the fifth-frame-removal on 1080i, but that would certainly account for a small processing delay.

Incidentally, the way I determined how much delay to add was using the Fifth Element DVD: there's a scene about half way through where there's a ticking time bomb--perfect for getting your audio and video in sync.

Given what others have said about "Direct" mode, it sounds like I'll be wanting that setting on the XBox's input!

--Dwayne

Yes, I can't believe the race is not in HD. How on earth would they think otherwise is beyond me for such an event.... BRT3 - are you picking up F1 in HD???
Man, I wish! I think they have F1 in either HD or a "better rez but not quite HD" format in Europe. We don't get the good stuff here, and though CBS is broadcasting 3 or 4 races this season, they have also dropped the ball on HiDef. It sure would be nice to see the F1 race at Indy in HiDef, though...

NASCAR seems to have the money and might to insure that their broadcasts are done right. They have done an outstanding job, and the race today should look pretty good in HD.

And, Ms. Patrick is leading Indy!

Yup, that be da Sony STR-DA7100ES.....which I'm currently looking at somewhat seriously.
Tell me Dwayne, do you think with your current AV receiver you are getting a true 170W/channel .....or is this simply a paper spec.

I haven't really followed Sony's sound stuff.
Well, I haven't been feeding it 0dB square waves to torture-test it, but I've liked the sound of it so far. I have not heard it clipping anything no matter how high I've cranked it up.

This is actually one of the advantages of the all-digital design (not just Sony's): it doesn't require as much power to achieve higher volumes, so they can be built smaller and they run cooler. AVS's own Alan Gouger is a fan of the Panasonic line.

For those who want to read further, here's the AVS sticky thread on digital amps (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=417894).

--Dwayne

So, umr, when are you going to do a SoCal tour?

JB, Joel other SoCal guys... ?
I think we've got a little army of 006 owners down here.

I am plenty willing to go anywhere in the USA.

I am plenty willing to go anywhere in the USA.

UMR-
Have you really found something worthwhile in the service menu as Kanebear surmised? If yes, what, exactly?

UMR-
Have you really found something worthwhile in the service menu as Kanebear surmised? If yes, what, exactly?

Yes. I have found a way to improve the high frequency performance and reduce the edge enhancement in the service mode. It does not result in perfect performance for all inputs, but it is a significant improvement.

Yes. I have found a way to improve the high frequency performance and reduce the edge enhancement in the service mode. It does not result in perfect performance for all inputs, but it is a significant improvement.

Can you share the settings with us? I'm familiar with the service menu.
I'm also curious as to how you found those settings. Sevice manual? Trial and error? How does this affect your overall impression of the set?

Can you share the settings with us? I'm familiar with the service menu.
I'm also curious as to how you found those settings. Sevice manual? Trial and error? How does this affect your overall impression of the set?

I am not sharing any service mode adjustments anymore and I determined it after extensive effort.

It does improve my impression of the set.

It is incredible to me that this race is NOT in HD!

Unbelievable.

So, instead of watching it on my 123 inch screen, I have to watch it on my 46 inch Mitsubishi. :(

I assume the Coca Cola 600 at Charlotte on Fox will be in HD.

I saw the end... to add insult to injury, finishing on a caution??? Blah. I was hoping Patrick would pull it out at the end. I think she should've conserved fuel and waited until later to make her move but what do I know. At least Michael Andretti finally got his Indy win... wow, first the Red Sox, now this. :)

I am not sharing any service mode adjustments anymore and I determined it after extensive effort.

It does improve my impression of the set.


UMR - sending you an e-mail.

I finally saw a Q006 at a local Magnolia HiFi store. There was no price on it and may just be a display unit. It definitely had the best picture in there. Made me proud to own one :)

Man, I wish! I think they have F1 in either HD or a "better rez but not quite HD" format in Europe. We don't get the good stuff here, and though CBS is broadcasting 3 or 4 races this season, they have also dropped the ball on HiDef.
In regards to seeing F1 in HD on CBS. That is all up to Mr. Bernie Ecclestone, who controls the series AND the media rights. Any F1 broadcast comes from his media group....those who wish to air it pay Bernie.

Penton-Man - I would definately be interested in a calibration. Josh from DOCDVD will be in So. Cali second week of June. I was thinking of having him do it (my mom's bday that week so big if as I may be out of town), but I need to ask him how much experience he has unless anyone here knows. Joel? UMR sounds like the ideal person experience wise with the Q although Josh seems to be moving a lot of Q's.

I think that umr would be an excellent choice and perhaps if all the SoCal guys chipped in for a tour, that would significantly decrease the individual calibration cost as to essentially cover alot of his travel expenses ?????? - rather than doing it in an individual manner.

I am simply not ready at this time because I am seriously considering purchasing the bug combo like brt and it would seem to make more sense to have THAT hooked up first before any calibration was performed. Anyway, I will be in the South Pacific during the 2nd week of June, so even IF I were interested in the other person, it simply wouldn’t work out.

So, I’m looking more towards the fall for my tweaking.

Just a quick two cents -- I think a UMR trip is worthwhile. I don't want to calibrate anything until I find out from Sony (via Josh) whether my "lines" issue requires service.

Cheers

Penton-Man and Joel - Yes count me in for UMR then. He has peeked my interest in the new service settings he has found. I'm not in a hurry to have calibration done right away as I'm happy with it now. So whenever you guys are ready let me know. I think I'm going to get the Bug combo as well, but won't be doing that until next year.

Finally got to take a few pics of the new stand, will look better with a 006 on top. :)

Finally got to take a few pics of the new stand, will look better with a 006 on top. :)

Very nice!!!!! Is that a one of a kind? Please send pics with the Q on it.

It is a one off, I designed it and had it built locally, except for the glass panels. They were made to order by a very talented lady in NC. I added the interior lights and the storage trays after.

Very impressive Neo! That is a cool stand.

It is a one off, I designed it and had it built locally, except for the glass panels. They were made to order by a very talented lady in NC. I added the interior lights and the storage trays after.

Great job man! The best custom made stand I've seen so far. :)

Great job man! The best custom made stand I've seen so far. :)


Better than the barrel?? :D

I had the lipsync problem with my Q006 and the HD Tivo. Changed to "Direct" as suggested on this forum and the problem is solved. I'll look for it on the SA 8300HD, next time I'm on that box. It's only used for my wife's "Tennis Channel".

i too have a lipsync issue with the Q006 and discoveryHD especially. no tivo involved at all. i posted this a few months ago but no one seemed to care or notice it. i
DID NOT have this issue with my 60" lcd xbr. Anyway, direct mode does seem to solve it

As a Q owner and former Sony 60"xbr lcd owner, i feel it necessary to share what i experienced this weekend. i have owned the Q for months now and know it's characteristics very well. i have top notch equipment and cables hooked up to it. Having said that, i gave my xbr to my son who just moved into a new house this weekend. hooking up the xbr was a priority for both him and i. i have not seen the xbr's picture since i bought the Q a few months ago. after hooking everything up it was time to fire it up. i was very anxious to see the picture as i remember loving the image it gave especially after it was calibrated. here we go, power on! i look away till a minute or so goes by and have my son tune to an HD channel and to ensure it was in pro mode, warm etc.. i turn to look. First impression, Brighter,different whites. i like them! i change channels. INHD2 is showing some african animal thing. WOW! i am absolutely blown away.. all i can say scene after scene is Holy Sh%@. incredibly crisp with "pop" that the Q simply hasn't shown me. my son agreed, my wife (good eyes) agreed. i could'nt get over it. we watch more programs throughout the afternoon into evening. My son has seen my Q many times and we agree on the following obsevations.

1. the xbr displaying HD has more pop and wow factor than the Q. it's image can only be described as warm, silvery, correct.

2. The Q has more appearant depth. 3d effect. very nice. The xbr does a respectable job here but not the the same degree.

3. XBR colors more accurate by a mile. they just look correct, especially greens,lighter shades of blue and fleshtones.

4. The Q is more film-like. we often agree with the image looking very very nice and smooth but lacks the pop of the XBR.

5. Contrast much better than the XBR. everything in HD still looks fine but the Q kills it with dvd material.

6. Screen door effect on the XBR was NOT an issue viewing at 9 feet. even bright scenes. this particular set always seemed to have less SDE than other sets i've seen in stores.

i believe the beautiful "silvery" ,warm ,yet crisp look of the images on the XBR are due to both the lcd panels and proper calibration. i am getting my Q calibrated friday. i will report back after i re-assess the image of the Q.

i believe the beautiful "silvery" ,warm ,yet crisp look of the images on the XBR are due to both the lcd panels and proper calibration. i am getting my Q calibrated friday. i will report back after i re-assess the image of the Q.


A side-by-side after the Q was properly calibrated would have been the best way to go but I'm sure having two beasts side-by-side is too much.

Will look for your post.

Better than the barrel?? :D
The barrel will always be my favorite . . . . ;)

Neo: "Very nice" says Mrs. Zechman. My thoughts exactly.

--Dwayne

It is a one off, I designed it and had it built locally, except for the glass panels. They were made to order by a very talented lady in NC. I added the interior lights and the storage trays after.

Neo2005,
A fancy stand for a fancy TV. Looks great :cool:

Joel,

I noticed the "black lines" while watching a letterboxed HD program off of my digital cable dvr; I'll have to check when viewing other letterboxed programming. I just happend to be close to the set when I noticed it...I wasn't sniffing pixels again :)

<snip>1. the xbr displaying HD has more pop and wow factor than the Q. it's image can only be described as warm, silvery, correct.

2. The Q has more appearant depth. 3d effect. very nice. The xbr does a respectable job here but not the the same degree.

3. XBR colors more accurate by a mile. they just look correct, especially greens,lighter shades of blue and fleshtones.

4. The Q is more film-like. we often agree with the image looking very very nice and smooth but lacks the pop of the XBR.

5. Contrast much better than the XBR. everything in HD still looks fine but the Q kills it with dvd material.

6. Screen door effect on the XBR was NOT an issue viewing at 9 feet. even bright scenes. this particular set always seemed to have less SDE than other sets i've seen in stores.</snip>

Heh heh heh... just you wait. You have noooo idea just how blown away you will be. If you thought this set was good before... good is about to take on a whole new meaning.

Thanks, BenDover!

I AM NOT ALONE!!! :)

Now, the question is, how do we fix them?

Cheers

BenDover, you have a PM and an email. Thanks!

Cheers

Hi Guys,

Mini Dive says it is time to go diving, so we're packing the gear and heading to Palau for a couple of weeks. I'll be looking for Qualians over there. Talk to ya'll later.

Hi Guys,

Mini Dive says it is time to go diving, so we're packing the gear and heading to Palau for a couple of weeks. I'll be looking for Qualians over there. Talk to ya'll later.

Which route are you taking? Just wondering if you're passing my hometown GUAM. I doubt it if you'll meet any Qualians there, unless they are just vacationing like you. HDTVs are not yet popular in that side of the pacific :)

Enjoy your trip and "Dive On"

Which route are you taking? Just wondering if you're passing my hometown GUAM. I doubt it if you'll meet any Qualians there, unless they are just vacationing like you. HDTVs are not yet popular in that side of the pacific :)

Enjoy your trip and "Dive On"

kaduku,
Yes, I will be traveling thru Guam. A short layover of 1 hour 20 minutes on the way there. On the way back a longer layover from 4:40am - noon. If I remember right, there is a Burger King, Domino's, Weinerschnitzle and various bars in the waiting area of the airport, but I doubt that will keep me entertained for 7 hours :eek: If they let me out of the airport, any suggestions on something to do for a few hours that morning?

kaduku,
Yes, I will be traveling thru Guam. A short layover of 1 hour 20 minutes on the way there. On the way back a longer layover from 4:40am - noon. If I remember right, there is a Burger King, Domino's, Weinerschnitzle and various bars in the waiting area of the airport, but I doubt that will keep me entertained for 7 hours :eek: If they let me out of the airport, any suggestions on something to do for a few hours that morning?

Oh yeah, they will let you out. 7 hours in that small airport would be torture for me. Just clear yourself through customs. I would rent a car, go to King's Restaurant (less than 2 miles) for some of the best breakfast food you'll ever have (try some local dishes). 2-3 hours is plenty of time to drive around and explore. Don't worry, you can't get lost there. Drive down to Tumon Bay, which like a mini Waikiki and check out the beaches. If you still have time, I would also check out Two Lover's Point for a breathtaking view of the bay.

Oh yeah, they will let you out. 7 hours in that small airport would be torture for me. Just clear yourself through customs. I would rent a car, go to King's Restaurant (less than 2 miles) for some of the best breakfast food you'll ever have (try some local dishes). 2-3 hours is plenty of time to drive around and explore. Don't worry, you can't get lost there. Drive down to Tumon Bay, which like a mini Waikiki and check out the beaches. If you still have time, I would also check out Two Lover's Point for a breathtaking view of the bay.

kaduku,

Thanks for the great suggestions. :D I have printed my new Guam itinerary.

Hi Guys,

Mini Dive says it is time to go diving, so we're packing the gear and heading to Palau for a couple of weeks. I'll be looking for Qualians over there. Talk to ya'll later.
Sheeeeeeeesh,
First jb beats me to the 006 and then YOU beat me to the Pacific this summer. :eek:
What? Too much Survivor?

At least Mini-Dive shows good taste in regulators.
Have a great time divedude. :)

Don't worry, you can't get lost there.
LOL......kaduku. :D

Long time no talky...

I might be interested in a UMR tweak in SoCal if you want to put me on the list for a price quote..... thanks all..

My prices are on my website the only uncertainty is how to split the travel cost.

I've been glued to the Q now for days. I've seen some amazing eye candy. The prospects of making this even better is really exiciting to me. So I'm definately on for UMR whenever the rest of you SoCal guys are ready so we can split the travel costs if that is doable.

kaduku,
Yes, I will be traveling thru Guam. A short layover of 1 hour 20 minutes on the way there. On the way back a longer layover from 4:40am - noon. If I remember right, there is a Burger King, Domino's, Weinerschnitzle and various bars in the waiting area of the airport, but I doubt that will keep me entertained for 7 hours :eek: If they let me out of the airport, any suggestions on something to do for a few hours that morning?

Going through Honolulu or Narita?? I can't decide which is worse... breaking it up in the middle or one loooooong flight and then a relatively short one. Either way I hope you're in BizFirst, 'cause both are 'effin LONG hauls in coach.

Sheeeeeeeesh,
First jb beats me to the 006 and then YOU beat me to the Pacific this summer. :eek:
What? Too much Survivor?

At least Mini-Dive shows good taste in regulators.
Have a great time divedude. :)

PM,
Enjoy the pearl shopping. Hope you get a chance to see a shark or two. :cool: If Mini Dive gets caught in the current and get washed up in Tahiti, give him the big Q sign. He'll know he's among friends :D We're leaving this afternoon.

Going through Honolulu or Narita?? I can't decide which is worse... breaking it up in the middle or one loooooong flight and then a relatively short one. Either way I hope you're in BizFirst, 'cause both are 'effin LONG hauls in coach.

kanebear,
I get the grand tour. Hawaii on the way and Japan on the way back. :eek: We always travel up front, Mini Dive saves his miles for these long trips. ;)

Hey, DD, have a great trip. Have MiniDive keep a weather eye out for ya; there's a typhoon just NE of Yap right now. Looks like it will miss Palau, but be careful! 'Tis the season....

Greet a shark for me (professional courtesy, you know...) :)

Cheers

Hey, DD, have a great trip. Have MiniDive keep a weather eye out for ya; there's a typhoon just NE of Yap right now. Looks like it will miss Palau, but be careful! 'Tis the season....

Greet a shark for me (professional courtesy, you know...) :)

Cheers

Joel,
Thanks for the heads-up on the typhoon. It is the start of the rainy season, but i'll be underwater anyway.

I will say "Howdy" to all the sharks I come across :D

I am putting together a southern California calibration tour. Please go to my website and fill out a calibration request using the link below if you are interested in this. It would also be useful if you could indicate what time period you are interested in. The additional tour cost may not be as low as $50 if the number of sets I am calibrating is insufficient to cover my travel costs.

Calibration Request Form (http://www.accucal.org/pricing_copy(1).htm)

UMR-

I respect your right not to discuss the service menu tweaks you have discovered. However, I'm sure a lot of prospective customers of yours would be very interested in knowing the outcome of those tweaks and exactly what the set now is capable of displaying by HDMI or component that it was not capable of displaying before your tweaks, using high frequency test patterns, single pixel burst results etc.

Thanks.

UMR-

I respect your right not to discuss the service menu tweaks you have discovered. However, I'm sure a lot of prospective customers of yours would be very interested in knowing the outcome of those tweaks and exactly what the set now is capable of displaying by HDMI or component that it was not capable of displaying before your tweaks, using high frequency test patterns, single pixel burst results etc.

Thanks.

Based on what I saw the tweak does not make any missing bust patterns suddenly appear, but it does improve the high frequency response on burst patterns that do exist considerably. I would guess something like 3 to 10 dB on the high frequency (1 to 3 pixel burst) patterns. It is difficult to quantify this with only visual observations.

Joel,
Thanks for the heads-up on the typhoon. It is the start of the rainy season, but i'll be underwater anyway.


I heard of the so-called dry and rainy season in the micronesian area, but I found out that there is no such thing after living there for over 20 yrs. It rains everyday, and is dry everyday, and typhoons can appear anytime of the year. I once experienced 3 typhoons within weeks of each other. Just a little trivia :)

I am putting together a southern California calibration tour. Please go to my website and fill out a calibration request using the link below if you are interested in this. It would also be useful if you could indicate what time period you are interested in. The additional tour cost may not be as low as $50 if the number of sets I am calibrating is insufficient to cover my travel costs.

Calibration Request Form (http://www.accucal.org/pricing_copy(1).htm)

What do you say Nor Cal Qualians (brt3, 3deye, etc)! I'm in if we get enough folks to go along with this. Hopefully by adding our names to our friends down south, we can get Umr to our area too! :D

I am putting together a southern California calibration tour. It would also be useful if you could indicate what time period you are interested in.
Calibration Request Form (http://www.accucal.org/pricing_copy(1).htm)
Well for me, the earliest would be around October, I reckon.

UMR-

I respect your right not to discuss the service menu tweaks you have discovered.
I believe that the lawyers call dat "intellectual property" for which one can get patents and such. :)

I don't blame umr either because it probably took some time to figure it out.
nhey, are you considering a 2nd follow-up calibration ???

Only to be attempted by Professional Drivers or the curious that have plenty of time on their hands....(works for other Sonys......may work for the 006?)

Sony entry is done by starting with the TV turned off.

Use the remote and press this sequence: Display, 5, vol +,
Power on. You will see a bunch of codes. The buttons you want to
avoid are 3 & 6, as these are the ones that change the values. You can use
1 & 4 to scroll up or down the different control parameters without worry of
doing any harm.

Even if you make changes to see what happens, you can just
turn it off and back on to exit service mode and erase what you did, as it
will only save it if you press mute and then enter which is how they get it
to write to the EPROM.

Joel,
Thanks for the heads-up on the typhoon. It is the start of the rainy season, but i'll be underwater anyway.

Yep,
But I bet dem tsunamis really buff the bottom. :)

Hold on MiniDive…it’s every man for himself ! ! ! :eek:

Could one just pay to have the magical service menu tweaks emailed to oneself? Adding the expense of travel would not be realistic, at least not in my case.

Could one just pay to have the magical service menu tweaks emailed to oneself? Adding the expense of travel would not be realistic, at least not in my case.

Nope.

I believe that the lawyers call dat "intellectual property" for which one can get patents and such. :)

I don't blame umr either because it probably took some time to figure it out.
nhey, are you considering a 2nd follow-up calibration ???

No, I'm perfectly satisfied with the set right now after one calibration. I seriously doubt I'd notice any improvement with a second calibration as I don't have eagle eyes or stare at test patterns. :) :)

Any Q owners out there that might have U-571 in their collection, please pop it in and skip towards the final scenes when the U-571 is diving towards 200m...I watched this the other night and saw some horrible false contouring. I have an HD version stored on my DVR; I was going to purchase this DVD anyhow so now I am also curious whether the DVD version will exhibit the same behavior. When I get the DVD I will have to check it out on some other displays to see whether it is the source material or something in the Q. My guess is the source since I have seen this type of behavior before on similarly lit scenes being displayed on CRT, LCD, etc.

Thanks.

BTW, I believe that Joel has tracked down the answer to his question regarding the black lines seen at the top and bottom of a letterboxed program (e.g., 2.35:1 material). I'll let him provide the details, but I'll quickly summarize, it isn't the Q that is responsible. The only part the Q has in this is what we've heard over and over again in this forum, it magnifies something that was already there.

Indeed I have. From various sources, I have concluded that the black lines (which are very small, 1 mm width) near the top and bottom of the screen on letterboxed materials are not artifacts of the 006, its inputs, or the source units (e.g., STBs or DVDs) to which it is connected.

Rather, they are the artifact created when the studio masks the source material in the DVD and other production processes, which then become visible when the 006 deinterlaces and scales the material up to 1080p, revealing the artifact.

But based on Sony's bench test (in their QC department) and an ISF person's review of the 006 (Josh Lehman), it does not appear to originate in the 006 in any respect. I have photos if anyone is interested. PM me with your email and I will send the Sony bench test photos along.

I am quite relieved. The upside is that my eyes apparently aren't aging as fast as the rest of me .... :D

Cheers

Anyone know what the differences are between the Qualia 002 HDV camera from -

- the HDRFX1 and
- the professional version of the HDRFX1?

Why a 3rd version?

And has anyone heard anything concert about the smaller verson of the Qualia 006 that is scheduled for release in the summer? Size, price, etc.

Hey .... whatever happened to ColorTV?????? :confused: :confused: :confused:

ok boys, just got my Qualia calibrated by none other than joel silver, the isf founder. i was most impressed by his knowledge on anything and everything related to video. it was a very gratifying experience. he was here for about 3.5 hours. he ran it thru its paces and was very impressed.only real weak area was left/right uniformity. greenish on left side, reddish on right.nothing noticeable on normal viewing. he had hands on with the Q in san francisco months ago and noted that my set was able to display the multiburst pixel on / pixel off (fine detail) whereas the one he saw in sanfrancisco could not. ALSO, are you ready for this? he did not have to go into the service menu to calibrate it to D6500. he used the Minolta CS 200 Color Analyzer to make his adjustments. He also used a signal generator for HD 1080i input. Gentlemen, i have the settings written down that his equipment told him was correct. i was surprised that he didn't need to go into the service menu. he showed me the x/y results as he was calibrating for grayscale. dead on or very very close to the ideal numbers.

the bottom line is the picture. Boy, does it look great. i now have that "silvery" look to images that i had on my prevously calibrated 60" sony lcd. blacks improved. whites improved. shadow detail improved. the set now puts out 60 ft lamberts. it's not a nite and day difference, but it is clearly more satisfying to me now than it was previously. well worth it. charged me only 335.00. BTW, he is NOT too impressed with jvc's 1080p set compared to the Qualia. any questions guys? fire away.

What didn't he like about the JVC?

What didn't he like about the JVC?

inferior lens/electronics i think he said

BTW, he is NOT too impressed with jvc's 1080p set compared to the Qualia. any questions guys? fire away.

Well that statement will surely expose the Qualia 006 trolls again.......unless, of course we have driven them all out over time.

Of course, what does Joel Silver know anyway…..other than being an ISF co-founder and current President ?

I'd also be interested in hearing why he didn't like the JVC's. Of course, it's time to start considering other 1080p sets that are only a few weeks and months away (the Samsung 70'' sets come to mind). Can the Qualia still hold its crown at its incredible price point?

any questions guys? fire away.

If you talk with him again, ask him if his techo-wizard buddy …Joe Kane is willing to do calibrations for us elitist 006 owners in SoCal…or does he still restrict his services to commercial interests.

I'd also be interested in hearing why he didn't like the JVC's. Of course, it's time to start considering other 1080p sets that are only a few weeks and months away (the Samsung 70'' sets come to mind). Can the Qualia still hold its crown at its incredible price point?

my take on his comments about the jvc was that it's not the same caliber as the qualia. that's all. not that it sucks or not worth it's projected price. i can confidently say that he thinks the Q is superior.

I'd also be interested in hearing why he didn't like the JVC's. Of course, it's time to start considering other 1080p sets that are only a few weeks and months away (the Samsung 70'' sets come to mind). Can the Qualia still hold its crown at its incredible price point?

despite the Qualia's price , he seriously doubts that sony is making any real money on this set based on it's optics and perhaps the yields.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=38176&stc=1
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here's joel going at it

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=38177&stc=1
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here's joel using the color analyzer

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=38178&stc=1
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that's joel on the left and my normal calibrator bob on the right. bob did a great job on my 60" xbr lcd.

BTW, the color analyzer indicated prior to calibration that my Qualia was greenish on the top end (whites) and reddish on the low end (blacks). he did not like the results of using wide color space using the analyzer. the numbers were "out there". he calibrated in normal space,warm,pro, cinema black on (per sonys guidance) and all that other crap in advanced mode set to off.

BTW, the color analyzer indicated prior to calibration that my Qualia was greenish on the top end (whites) and reddish on the low end (blacks). he did not like the results of using wide color space using the analyzer. the numbers were "out there". he calibrated in normal space,warm,pro, cinema black on (per sonys guidance) and all that other crap in advanced mode set to off.

hifi,
You mentioned earlier that Joe did not require to do anything with the service menu of the Q006. Do you think he did not know how to get to it or just really didn't need to? Also what was his opinions on umr's calibration using the service menu? (if you mentioned it) :)

despite the Qualia's price , he seriously doubts that sony is making any real money on this set based on it's optics and perhaps the yields.


I don't know about that. The Qualia is the same TV that was a XBR model and was going to sell for 10,000 MSRP, but Sony decided to stick a Qualia badge and raise the
price 3,000. One of the stores in LA has the MSRP slashed twice and the sticker reads ask salesman for best price, I did and he said 9,999.00 without blinking twice. I would say Sony is making a very good profit selling this set for 13,000.

he had hands on with the Q in san francisco months ago and noted that my set was able to display the multiburst pixel on / pixel off (fine detail) whereas the one he saw in sanfrancisco could not. i was surprised that he didn't need to go into the service menu.

O.K., now doesn't this peak anyone else's curiosity??

Joe saw more detail in your set than the one he saw in San Francisco. Did Sony change something?? If so, when? How do you get a set that displays finer detail? Built dates, maybe??

Joe didn't go into the service menu for any of the adjustments, whereas UMR says that you have to in order to get the most out of the set. Are the sets different or do Joe and UMR not share the same aim points when it comes to the picture?

Did Joe say anything about convergence or chromatic abberation? The set I saw was off a little but early in this thread I recall someone saying that theirs was perfectly converged.

By the way, did Joe take 3 1/2 hours to actually calibrate the set or was he mostly studying/testing performance for his own information?

hifi,
You mentioned earlier that Joe did not require to do anything with the service menu of the Q006. Do you think he did not know how to get to it or just really didn't need to? Also what was his opinions on umr's calibration using the service menu? (if you mentioned it) :)

he definitely knows how to get into the service menu.

he was able to acheive x=313 y=329 or very very close to these ideal numbers using nothing but user level adjustments... gain and bias.

i did mention that other calibrators i read about online went into the service menu for adjustments. he stated that the service menu simply was not necessary in my case.. he dialed in the ideal numbers without doing that and was pleased he didn't have to go into the service menu although he was ready and willing to if necessary.

ok boys, just got my Qualia calibrated by none other than joe silver, the isf founder. i was most impressed by his knowledge on anything and everything related to video. it was a very gratifying experience. he was here for about 3.5 hours. he ran it thru its paces and was very impressed.only real weak area was left/right uniformity. greenish on left side, reddish on right.nothing noticeable on normal viewing. he had hands on with the Q in san francisco months ago and noted that my set was able to display the multiburst pixel on / pixel off (fine detail) whereas the one he saw in sanfrancisco could not. ALSO, are you ready for this? he did not have to go into the service menu to calibrate it to D6500. he used the Minolta CS 200 Color Analyzer to make his adjustments. He also used a signal generator for HD 1080i input. Gentlemen, i have the settings written down that his equipment told him was correct. i was surprised that he didn't need to go into the service menu. he showed me the x/y results as he was calibrating for grayscale. dead on or very very close to the ideal numbers.

the bottom line is the picture. Boy, does it look great. i now have that "silvery" look to images that i had on my prevously calibrated 60" sony lcd. blacks improved. whites improved. shadow detail improved. the set now puts out 60 ft lamberts. it's not a nite and day difference, but it is clearly more satisfying to me now than it was previously. well worth it. charged me only 335.00. BTW, he is NOT too impressed with jvc's 1080p set compared to the Qualia. any questions guys? fire away.
are you going to post the settings?

O.K., now doesn't this peak anyone else's curiosity??

Did Joe say anything about convergence or chromatic abberation? The set I saw was off a little but early in this thread I recall someone saying that theirs was perfectly converged.

By the way, did Joe take 3 1/2 hours to actually calibrate the set or was he mostly studying/testing performance for his own information?

one of the first tests he did was to look at convergence. he was very impressed. there were some reds comming thru on the left side but nothing serious. he stated how badly jvc's d-ila are in this area.
he started out by putting in his avia pro disk to see what the Q can do. he has already calibrated several Q004's. he liked was he saw overall on my set compares very well to the 004. from there he spent maybe ten minutes analyzing the wide space mode with the cs200 and determined that normal was the one to use. he would have liked to seen an adjustment that lets you adjust between normal and wide, as somewhere in between would then have been best. after that he adjusted for color,brightness,etc before going into gain/bias area. he pulled out some sony reference sheet that said to turn on the cinema black also.

we then viewed some dvd material including disks that would see what my pioneer dvi59i was made of. it did very well in most tests but failed in some others as most every dvd does except those with the realta chip in them (denon 5910).

after the dvd portion of calibration was complete we hooked up his signal generator to send a 1080i signal for my hd input. the only further adjustments we had to make on this input was to set sharpness to min whereas with dvd we set it to 5. we then viewed some hdnet stuff. i was happy with what i saw. we chatted for 15 minutes about future technologies and stuff like that. he even explained what that line was we all see above and below the black bars that joel was worried about. has something to did with bits. too much info too fast for me to absorb everything he said. anyway, bottom line is that the picture is a definite improvement. i see a silver cast instead of the previous red cast to images displayed on the Q. That's what i was yearning for after seeing that my 60" lcd was able to do after it's calibration.

I always thought it was JOEL Silver (not JOE).

here's some FYI. joel left a sony information sheet behind on the Qualia by accident. this is what it says about "direct mode" setting for those who wondered about it (myself included)

on=10 bit mode; off=8 bit mode. on mode makes digital keystone correction and gamma correction options unavailable.

not sure, but it sounds like on is the way to go. after all, it helps with lipsync issues to boot.

I always thought it was JOEL Silver (not JOE).

you are correct, my error.

Dang this thread got interesting again in a big way!

Did he say anything about ambient light? What does the set look like post calibration in complete darkness? (for "movie-theater" experience)

Damn this thread got interesting again in a big way!

Did he say anything about ambient light? What does the set look like post calibration in complete darkness? (for "movie-theater" experience)

it looks better in complete darkness although i typically view programs in low light. the blacks appear slightly blacker when viewing familiar material. less glow i think.

it looks better in complete darkness although i typically view programs in low light. the blacks appear slightly blacker when viewing familiar material. less glow i think.

How about DVD viewing with your 59avi? What corrections or differences did it make (mb, etc)?

So did Joel have your qualia for Direct Mode "On" or Off

Thanks,
Arnie

some other owners have personal webpages with all their settings posted--where can we find yours!!!!???!!!!

I always thought it was JOEL Silver (not JOE).
Well it’s good to see at least one person on this thread reads my stuff (see post # 6188).

ok boys, just got my Qualia calibrated by none other than joel silver any questions guys? fire away.

1. Did he by any chance use the ColorFacts Professional calibration system-(Milori) ?

2. Did he provide you with a calibration report detailing the pre and post calibration performance data?

3. Do you know what model spectroradiometer he used for your calibration?

Umr – Do you mind reiterating for us what equipment you use and will bring to people’s homes for a calibration?

If it has not changed since your “Experience” thread, could you just provide a link to that thread for all late comers to the calibration quest.

So did Joel have your qualia for Direct Mode "On" or Off

Thanks,
Arnie

off

How about DVD viewing with your 59avi? What corrections or differences did it make (mb, etc)?

the differences where significant. i say that because the new settings increase contrast and minimize the red cast i had. i feel (and so did both calibrators) that blacks looked nicer and shadow detail improved.

1. Did he by any chance use the ColorFacts Professional calibration system-(Milori) ?

2. Did he provide you with a calibration report detailing the pre and post calibration performance data?

3. Do you know what model spectroradiometer he used for your calibration?

1. he might have. if he did i missed it while i was grabbing a bite to eat. the two calibrators were offered, but wanted to continue with calibrations. as for me, i hadn't eaten all day. the wife made a plate for us.

2. he had me write down the new settings. i know what my old ones were.

3. he used what he said was the new minolta cs 200 color analyzer. i think he coined it as a hybrid spectroradiometer. he just sent samsung some of them.

Umr – Do you mind reiterating for us what equipment you use and will bring to people’s homes for a calibration?

If it has not changed since your “Experience” thread, could you just provide a link to that thread for all late comers to the calibration quest.

Video Equipment...

Accupel HDG-3000; 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i component video test pattern generator.
Two Progressive Labs CA-6X; NIST traceable color analyzer.
GretagMacbeth EyeOne Pro; NIST traceable spectroradiometer with custom software and PC color management software.
Sekonic L-558 Cine light meter.
AEMC CA813; NIST traceable light meter.
Compuvideo; composite, S-Video and RF-Video test pattern generator.
Cabling to support DVI, HDMI, VGA, BNC, RCA, S-Video and RF video connections.
Digital Video Essentials 720p & 1080i; D-VHS test tapes.
Avia Pro; professional DVD test disks.
THX Demo and Setup LaserDisc.
Video Essentials LaserDisc.
Digital Video Essentials, Avia, Silicon Optix HQV Benchmark, Microsoft WHQL, HQV Benchmark and Jim Taylor's DVD Demystified; DVD test disks.
Toy Story II, Star Wars I and Charlotte Gray; DVD movies for verification.

Audio Equipment...

M-Audio MoblePre USB powered preamp and audio interface.
Behringer ECM 8000 microphone.
TrueRTA real time analzyer and signal generator.
Gold Line 's "The 5.1 Audio Toolkit".
Ovation's "Avia Guide To Home Theater".
Room Optimizer software to determine optimum room acoustic design.
Room Sizer software to design the optimum room dimensions.
Radio Shack analog sound level meter.


I also bring a printer along to print a calibration report.

http://catalogs.infocommiq.com/avcat/CTL2861/index.cfm/pin_id/2861/sid/0/ts/companydetail/companyid/301358/prid/29/item/pressDetail.htm

http://www.tequipment.net/MinoltaCS-200.asp

info on the minolta cs 200 analyzer.

Video Equipment...
Digital Video Essentials 720p & 1080i; D-VHS test tapes.

Have you found this helpful, as isn’t this a fairly recent addition to your arsenal? (Yes, European football fans, I AM an Arsenal supporter!)

If worthwhile, and for those of us that don’t own a D-VHS machine, is it possible for you to bring one for out-of -state calibrations, even if it takes a minimal extra service charge ?

Have you found this helpful, as isn’t this a fairly recent addition to your arsenal? (Yes, European football fans, I AM an Arsenal supporter!)

If worthwhile, and for those of us that don’t own a D-VHS machine, is it possible for you to bring one for out-of -state calibrations, even if it takes a minimal extra service charge ?

It is helpful if you have a D-VHS machine. I would have difficulty bringing a player on the plane and I am not sure what good it would be.

PS: I went to a few Boro games early in the year in Middlesbrough. It was a real treat.

Hifi

Herre is a template you can use to share with us your post ISF settings:

Video mode:
Picture =
Brightness =
color=
hue=
sharpness =
color temp.=
Noise Reduction =
Direct Mode=

Advanced settings
drc mode=
drc pallette =

cinema black pro=
color space=
color corrector =
DTE=
clear white=
detail enhancer=
black corrector=
gamma corrector =
white balance =

Hifi - Here is a template you can use to share with us your post ISF settings:
Subtle, Bernster, subtle...
:D

after the dvd portion of calibration was complete we hooked up his signal generator to send a 1080i signal for my hd input. the only further adjustments we had to make on this input was to set sharpness to min whereas with dvd we set it to 5.
Gotta love it, PM -- gotta love it!

It is helpful if you have a D-VHS machine. I would have difficulty bringing a player on the plane and I am not sure what good it would be.

PS: I went to a few Boro games early in the year in Middlesbrough. It was a real treat.

Well I don’t blame you because you’d probably have to triple box it with the baggage handlers and that would be one BIG box.

I thought I’d ask with the off-chance of me purchasing one of these machines next summer when they will probably be price slashed as well as their movies after Blu-ray debuts. But, then I’d guess I would have to purchase the exact same model as yours with the same ware inside of it for the settings to be compatible anyway.

P.S.
I’ve always liked Boro’s red kits and I believe that they would’ve done even better in the EPL if they hadn’t have had injury problems.

bernster,
Joel is right down the road from you….are you going to go for it?
If not, I think that beefchopper also knows a good calibrator in your area, you can PM him... I think he still checks into the AVS forum.

Gotta love it, PM -- gotta love it!

Well now I see what it takes to tear you outa your Pio black hole….positive reinforcement. :)

On that note,
You’ve got a fan in the Qualia offices in Ft. Myers, Florida.
Personally, I think she is a dog lover that’s fallen for your pics of Elmo….but who knows…it may be due to your Qualia 006 homepage.

Folks, tomorrow (Sunday) I be off to dem islands. So, jb007, kaduku, brt... please watch over our baby. If I see Divedude and miniDive floating by on the Pacific current, I’ll be sure to throw them a line.

Perhaps I can check in if da boot has internut onboard….and I have any Penton paper left.

PM,

Will do. Have a great trip :)

Have a good vacation all.

Our son and his girlfriend came here from Denver so we played tour director for this past week. He could not stop watching HD! He had the Plasma on all the time and for the first time ever, watched complete shows without "surfing". He loved the Q, of course, and we rented Ray again. Very good transfer and very sharp. He sure likes the Q!

Joel...we have the same luck with the TT400. Perfect until they put the Q on it and there now is a slight ding on the left side. Not too bad since Diamondcase sent us a touchup stick but it is a shame that it made it here in great shape and then got a ding!!

well it's been over 24 hrs since my q was calibrated. i been re-watching a lot of familiar material. i am very pleased with the difference i see. LOTR trilogy has gone from excellent to incredible. it's got that metallic silver tone i like so much. i believe the major shortcomming prior to calibration was how the green cast in the upper grayscale area caused images to look dirty for lack of a better word. getting rid of excess reds in the bottom end also cleaned things up. of course, the result is excellent grayscale. i temporarily set things back to the defaults for a few hours just to see the difference. i am definitely sticking to my calibrated settings.

BTW, i just discovered my pioneer 59avi can display the transfer rates of dvd transfers. LOTR is often pegged at 10mbps! most movies i checked out are at around 5-6 mbps. it confirms what my eyes see. nice!

Well now I see what it takes to tear you outa your Pio black hole….positive reinforcement. :)

Actually, I've been on the road a LOT these days. NYC last month, Tennessee this month (not too far from Sparky Country). Not enough time with the Qualia or the Pioneer 59AVi. But geez -- you get used to the Qualia, then go away and look at crap for a week, then you come back and it looks even better than before (if that's possible)...

Those calibration settings made me laugh; guess I need to start the "Anti Sharpness Society" (you too, can be an ASS)...

Those calibration settings made me laugh; guess I need to start the "Anti Sharpness Society" (you too, can be an ASS)...

I’m tempted to have my calibrator do a service menu tweak so as to necessitate the user sharpness set to the max.--- just to spite you.

For the time being, I guess I’ll just have to stay an ASS connoisseur – which aint really a far stretch for me to begin with.

of course, the result is excellent grayscale.

I’m beginning to think that even if one only pays for the normal standard service of calibration of two inputs, it may well be worthwhile in the long run to have the Grayscale done on ALL the inputs.

Umr, do you offer a discounted selective service (Grayscale only) for the other inputs that you normally don’t calibrate without otherwise having to pay a full $100 for a complete calibration of these additional inputs?

LOTR is often pegged at 10mbps!
Wow-zir !
brt, add that to one of your best DVD lists.

I’m tempted to have my calibrator do a service menu tweak so as to necessitate the user sharpness set to the max.--- just to spite you.

For the time being, I guess I’ll just have to stay an ASS connoisseur – which aint really a far stretch for me to begin with.

Hah -- but then you'd have to live with JVC PQ in a Qualia world!

As to the Anti Sharpness Society -- you must love it when you're pitched a softball...

;)

Folks, tomorrow (Sunday) I be off to dem islands. So, jb007, kaduku, brt... please watch over our baby. If I see Divedude and miniDive floating by on the Pacific current, I’ll be sure to throw them a line.


lol, You deserve this trip. Enjoy it!!!!! :)

the differences where significant. i say that because the new settings increase contrast and minimize the red cast i had. i feel (and so did both calibrators) that blacks looked nicer and shadow detail improved.

This definitely good news! I am already impressed with the way the Denon 3910 displays dvd on the Q, and to think that it can be improved. WOW!

I’m beginning to think that even if one only pays for the normal standard service of calibration of two inputs, it may well be worthwhile in the long run to have the Grayscale done on ALL the inputs.

Umr, do you offer a discounted selective service (Grayscale only) for the other inputs that you normally don’t calibrate without otherwise having to pay a full $100 for a complete calibration of these additional inputs?

The gray scale applies to all inputs and is not input specific. The other device calibration includes settings in those devices, level adjustments in the TV and setting things like DRC properly.

Its my understanding that UMR went into service menu to calibrate 006 and Joel believed he did not need to in order to get good pq. I don't understand this disparity. Do I need a calibration just to set the user controls? Right now I do that with my eyes and it seems to work. The user settings seem to be content driven, e.g. some dvds and broadcasts require different settings than others. So how will a calibrator help pq just setting user controls when we need to change them anyway for content?

Also Hifi stated that Joel was able to acheive x=313 y=329 or very very close to these ideal numbers using nothing but user level adjustments... gain and bias.

I don't see gain and bias controls in the user settings. What are these? What do these numbers mean?

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I don't see gain and bias controls in the user settings. What are these? What do these numbers mean?

gain and bias controls are in the advanced menu system under "white balance" . u must be in pro mode to access them.

HI apologize if this is old news, but I am thinking about replacing my Hitachi 65 with a 1080p display soon. The review by Shane here http://www.theperfectvision.com/current.html
indicated some problems with the Q. Anyone, especially a calibrator have any comment?
Also, does anyone know if some sort of upgrade/service procedure could allow for the Q to accept 1080p natively?

Thank you very much

Fury

Its my understanding that UMR went into service menu to calibrate 006 and Joel believed he did not need to in order to get good pq. I don't understand this disparity.
I think that’s an excellent question for umr. My take on the situation is that perhaps for supreme optimization of the picture quality, one may desire to delve into the service menu….and more importantly know how to decipher the codes to make an improvement. Perhaps he can expound upon the specifics.

Granted you can make the picture pretty damn good without having to do so, though.

There are no Qualia Kings (006) out there yet because the display is so new, but the cream will rise to the top…and to the best of my knowledge…nobody out there in calibrator land has put more time into tweaking 006’s (at a reasonable price to boot) than umr.

“My bags are packed……
I’m ready to go…..”

Also, does anyone know if some sort of upgrade/service procedure could allow for the Q to accept 1080p natively?
Fury
None available.
As to the future....it's all speculation at this point.

Read the review in May issue of Widescreen, it's more comprehensive.

Its my understanding that UMR went into service menu to calibrate 006 and Joel believed he did not need to in order to get good pq.

i just re-read the widescreen review of the Qualia. th reviewer stated that he to got accurate grayscale by just adjusting user menu controls and did not have to resort going into the service menu itself.

HI apologize if this is old news, but I am thinking about replacing my Hitachi 65 with a 1080p display soon. The review by Shane here http://www.theperfectvision.com/current.html
indicated some problems with the Q. Anyone, especially a calibrator have any comment?
Also, does anyone know if some sort of upgrade/service procedure could allow for the Q to accept 1080p natively?



Well, you have the founder of ISF, Joel Silvers giving the Q006 high points and who also likes it better than the JVC 1080ps. You can also take it from us owners that this is one of the best tvs ever made and that we are not regretting the extra cost at all. As far as accepting 1080p signals, let's just hope there is an upgrade in the near future. :)

I think that’s an excellent question for umr. My take on the situation is that perhaps for supreme optimization of the picture quality, one may desire to delve into the service menu….and more importantly know how to decipher the codes to make an improvement. Perhaps he can expound upon the specifics....

Here are my views on service mode adjustments in general since there are not specific ISF guidelines on this (i.e. all ISF calibrations are not equal).

I believe service mode adjustments are a double edged sword. It is easier and generally safer if you don't have to enter the service mode. My goal is to do the best possible job on any display device I am willing to work on. I don't like to be outdone by anyone at anything. With 25 years of engineering and R&D experience working with very dangerous processes and complex instrumentation I believe I have a little different skill level than most in this trade. Because of this I am frequently willing to go the extra mile for all of my clients. For example, I use my own software with my Gretag Macbeth spectroradiometer to give me more flexibility than any of the commercial packages. The following are my goals that guide me on whether I will do something in the service mode or not.

1. Set the display up so it is easy to restore it to a calibrated condition if possible.
2. Perform all improvements that can be made to a display that will be reliable, safe and yield a reasonable level of improvement for the effort.

I will enter the service mode to meet these goals if I believe I can do it with minimal or no risk. Most Sony sets can be set in the service mode so a single button push will reset the input to a calibrated condition. Sony sets also frequently filter the inputs more than most people like, but reversing it requires service mode access. The Qualia requires entering the service mode to do these things which I believe my customers value. Others opinions of this will vary based on their goals; experience and skill level with each display.

Each calibrator though only has experience with the sets he/she has seen so it is not possible for everyone to know everything about every display. Personally, I tend to avoid displays that I don't like. I also tend to develop my own tweaks if a display has promise in my opinion. The Qualia is one of those that I have dedicated quite a bit of time to get the best performance for my customers. I personally tend to be very up on Sony and try to use that to my customer's advantage. This is not to say I am only a Sony person. I am currently working with another manufacturer directly to improve their current and future designs. You can be sure my customers who have those displays will be getting the best performance possible because of these relationships.

Here are my views on service mode adjustments in general since there are not specific ISF guidelines on this (i.e. all ISF calibrations are not equal).

I believe service mode adjustments are a double edged sword. It is easier and generally safer if you don't have to enter the service mode. My goal is to do the best possible job on any display device I am willing to work on. I don't like to be outdone by anyone at anything. With 25 years of engineering and R&D experience working with very dangerous processes and complex instrumentation I believe I have a little different skill level than most in this trade. Because of this I am frequently willing to go the extra mile for all of my clients. For example, I use my own software with my Gretag Macbeth spectroradiometer to give me more flexibility than any of the commercial packages. The following are my goals that guide me on whether I will do something in the service mode or not.

1. Set the display up so it is easy to restore it to a calibrated condition if possible.
2. Perform all improvements that can be made to a display that will be reliable, safe and yield a reasonable level of improvement for the effort.

I will enter the service mode to meet these goals if I believe I can do it with minimal or no risk. Most Sony sets can be set in the service mode so a single button push will reset the input to a calibrated condition. Sony sets also frequently filter the inputs more than most people like, but reversing it requires service mode access. The Qualia requires entering the service mode to do these things which I believe my customers value. Others opinions of this will vary based on their goals; experience and skill level with each display.

Each calibrator though only has experience with the sets he/she has seen so it is not possible for everyone to know everything about every display. Personally, I tend to avoid displays that I don't like. I also tend to develop my own tweaks if a display has promise in my opinion. The Qualia is one of those that I have dedicated quite a bit of time to get the best performance for my customers. I personally tend to be very up on Sony and try to use that to my customer's advantage. This is not to say I am only a Sony person. I am currently working with another manufacturer directly to improve their current and future designs. You can be sure my customers who have those displays will be getting the best performance possible because of these relationships.

Great response! I'm sold on this! :D

Great response! I'm sold on this! :D

I think it was an excellent response as well.

If I buy a Qualia, I certainly would not hold back on paying for a top notch ISF calibration.

umr, if you are ever in the NY area, give me a heads up as i would be interested in having my Q calibrated by someone who has spent a good deal of time working with the set.

umr, if you are ever in the NY area, give me a heads up as i would be interested in having my Q calibrated by someone who has spent a good deal of time working with the set.



I'm in upstate NY and also interested. :D

My son is at West Point so I do go up to the NY area.