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gazelle
10-10-05, 09:49 PM
Plenty of manufacturers would sell their souls if they could only produce a 70" Display that "sucks" as badly as the Qualia :eek:

aaronwt
10-11-05, 12:54 AM
I also see some macroblocking and breakup on fast moving objects.


I've seen this on every DirecTV HD(4) receiver/PC OTA HD(2) receiver I've used over the last 4 years and I've also seen it on every type of HD display in the stores. It is a source issue.

dr_jason
10-11-05, 01:28 AM
dr_jason

I think if a convergence grid was placed on any of these sets and one was to look close enough, they would find some area where they are seeing some degree of color fringing. The question then becomes two part. Precisely how much is there and how much does it bother you. If even a small amount bothers you, then you're sunk. No point is trying to swap these out as you're likely to get another one with some. If a small amount is acceptable as long as you know its normal, then the next question is just how much do you have? By chance, can you photograph and post a jpeg of it??

I'll put the picture under SXRD tweaks rather than bog down this thread. Thanks for the interest.

kaduku
10-11-05, 02:10 PM
Does anybody know how BAD the Qualia sucks compared to the newer SXRD sets?

The only thing that sucks is you! LOL

I see that you still feel pretty bad that you don't have a Qualia yet, you probably can't even afford a baby Qualia too! :D

Penton-Man
10-11-05, 05:44 PM
Does anybody know how BAD the Qualia sucks compared to the newer SXRD sets?
In regards to suckage, I’ve always preferred experience rather than “new” at it.

My Qualia sucks BAD ! :D

Neo2005
10-11-05, 06:24 PM
PM

umr just left .... my Qualia006 now sucks good!!!

Artwood
10-11-05, 06:42 PM
Don't feel bad Qualia lovers--at least your hard earned cash helped Sony produce the SXRD sets that cost less and it'll be a little while before their 70-inch version comes when you'll have to face the apples versus apples comparisons.

Ask yourself this question...are Sony's latest SXRD displays truely hard worked and thought out developments of the Qualia or is there remotely the chance that Sony CREATED demand with the price of the Qualia all the time knowing they would come out with the current models and COULD have already produced them if a gun was put to their head?

Ask yourself this question--did the Qualia's price REFLECT the cost that was involved in Sony producing it?

If you were in charge of marketing at Sony can you imagine any other scenario than the one that took place that would have earned Sony more money than the way the Qualia and the follow on SXRD sets were released? Can you remember any other thread in the history of the forum that was more mutual admiration society of the forum that was as unwelcoming to other people's opinions than the Qualia thread? Is there any chance that the existence of such a thread at the premier Video enthusiast Video forum in the world--AVS--engendered exclusivity and demand that Sony advertising could have never achieved no matter how hard they tried?

Can you remember any other product in the history of the forum that this far after its introduction and after follow on models still had as many posts as this one? Is the Qualia really the greatest thing that ever happened to Video? Is there any chance that Sony KNOWS marketing?

To all those at this thread who really do love their Qualias I say congragulations. To Sony I say that the Qualia is one of the rare occasions where the marketing of a product to a high end NON mass audience--was even better than the product itself. Congragulations Sony!

P.S. To the people that think I'm all sour grapes and can't afford the Qualia all I'll say is that many people know the price of everything and the Value of nothing. The Qualia was a great product--the newer SXRD sets are better values--as a Video enthusiast I'm am always willing to just blow a wad on the best--the Qualia was great but was not the best and never was a great value!

It really reminds me of the time that Izod came out with the alligator logos on their shirts and charged three times what a comparable shirt cost weeks before they started selling them. They were great shirts but weren't revolutionary. The Qualia isn't revolutionary either but at least it was a bigger than normal incremental step on the way to better displays--for that I'm thankful. Who knows--maybe one day I could have the same attitude that Qualia owners have about their sets about another set...no I don't guess I could--not because they couldn't build a set like that but because that's just not me! Cheers!

umr
10-11-05, 06:44 PM
PM

umr just left .... my Qualia006 now sucks good!!!

That was the best Qualia 006 I have seen. The color primaries and secondaries on this set were nearly spot on. I wish everyone could get one that looked that good.

kaduku
10-11-05, 06:55 PM
I finally got to see a 60" SXRD at Circuit City, and they looked pretty good. Now I am seriously thinking of getting at least a 50 incher for my bedroom. :)

Oh BTW, Artwood! Suck on this! hahahahahaha :D

kaduku
10-11-05, 07:00 PM
PM

umr just left .... my Qualia006 now sucks good!!!

Neo,
From a scale of 1 to 10, how much of difference do you have now after calibration with UMR?

TANKFULL
10-11-05, 07:10 PM
UMR calibrated my 006 Monday. He made a great set even greater. I really appreciate Jeff's professionalism and amazing knowledge of the process of calibration.

Walter

divedude
10-11-05, 07:54 PM
Value of nothing.


Well at least Artwood told us what his value on this thread is ;)

divedude
10-11-05, 08:08 PM
I've yet to see a 70" Qualia but hope to do so one day. I just got my 60" SXRD which is a close cousin and love teh set and PQ. However, I was under the assumption that all SXRD sets had no SDE. I noticed on my set if I'm 1' or closer I can see a faint outline of square pixels. I wonder if I'm seeing artifiacts that may be a result of my Directv HD Tivo. I also tried my Denon 2800 DVD player and saw the same pixels so I'm thinking it's not the feed. I also see some macroblocking and breakup on fast moving objects. I would love to hear from owners here if you are also seeing the same things and is this normal for this technology.


HomeGuy,

I think if you get close enough to any TV you are going to see the pixels, but I don't believe they are made to watch from a foot away either. So sit back and enjoy. :D

divedude
10-11-05, 08:22 PM
And as far as suckage goes, the fan on the 006 does an excellent job :D

Marc Alexander
10-11-05, 09:09 PM
Art, I'm not sure what has sparked this new persona??? What reason do you have to make such inflammatory statements (I've never considered you a flamer previously)?

You are giving this thread and this forum WAY too much credit. The envy it may have caused is tiny tiny in Sony's world. I doubt the SXRD sets sold this forum has directly influenced even show up as percentage points in Sony's bottom line. Your conspiracy theory is quite far fetched IMHO.

Neo2005
10-11-05, 09:22 PM
kaduku My best guess is that I was about 75-80% there, he took it to 98-99%. Also he fine tuned my audio 7.1 and it sounds as good as the 006 looks.

You will have to ask him what he thought of the Berklines with the Buttkicker system.

Thanks again umr ... did you stop at Parkers?

umr
10-11-05, 09:30 PM
The Buttkicker system is definitely a plus to the home theater experience.

I did stop at Parkers. It was a great suggestion. I had an excellent pull of Guinness that was as good as I have had outside of Dublin.

G.B.
10-12-05, 12:56 AM
Qualia was to beat a competitor that has a upper end set. I think they did that knowing both company's well, and people working at both...Have you ever looked into the history of Color TV Artwood ? 1954 R.C.A. CT-100 .Yow! In 1954 spending $1000 on a color TV would be roughly equivalent to spending $20,000 on a top HDTV now. Like buying a car! This was a properly-designed NTSC receiver with no shortcuts. Later sets cost less , but took years later to get back to the standard of this set. Plus they would of been better if UMR was Tweaking then.

jstenuf
10-12-05, 08:04 AM
I just received my winter issue of the Perfect Vision and they refer to the
60" and 50" SXRD's as Qualia"s not XBRs???????????????

umr
10-12-05, 08:31 AM
Qualia was to beat a competitor that has a upper end set. I think they did that knowing both company's well, and people working at both...Have you ever looked into the history of Color TV Artwood ? 1954 R.C.A. CT-100 .Yow! In 1954 spending $1000 on a color TV would be roughly equivalent to spending $20,000 on a top HDTV now. Like buying a car! This was a properly-designed NTSC receiver with no shortcuts. Later sets cost less , but took years later to get back to the standard of this set. Plus they would of been better if UMR was Tweaking then.

You might be surprised to know that I actually started tweaking TV's in the 60's. My great uncle was the local fire chief who moonlighted as a TV repairman. I pestered him until he showed me what he was doing. I have been repairing and improving sets since then.

thestewman
10-12-05, 11:24 AM
Jeff

Have you considered or do you have any plans to visit the Chicago or Midwest ?

Any other Qualia owners near Chicago who are interested in having UMR do his magic to their 006 ?

christefan
10-12-05, 11:33 AM
What settings are you using for your Q after calibration? Have you assigned these to all the inputs or do you find that you prefer them on specific ones, ie dvd,sat, cable, ld? Thanks, steve

Artwood
10-12-05, 12:04 PM
Since UMR put me on his ignore list a long time ago if anybody corresponds with him tell him I respect his contributions at the Forum and wish him Peace!

kaduku
10-12-05, 12:47 PM
Since UMR put me on his ignore list a long time ago if anybody corresponds with him tell him I respect his contributions at the Forum and wish him Peace!

Hey ARTWOOD. how about me! hahahahahahaha :D

Neo2005
10-12-05, 01:27 PM
Now come on kaduku, how can Artwood mention that you are on his ignore list if you respond to his imput?

For those who do not already know here is umr's web page.

http://www.accucal.org/

Neo2005
10-12-05, 01:29 PM
Of course what I MEANT to say was ... if he is on your ignore list. Oh never mind. Rosanna Rosanna Dana.

kaduku
10-12-05, 01:36 PM
Now come on kaduku, how can Artwood mention that you are on his ignore list if you respond to his imput?



Actually, I wanted him to also respect my contributions on this thread and to also wish me peace :D

mpsan
10-12-05, 01:40 PM
I do resent the fact that Artwood seems to imply people go to this forum and buy the Q because of what they read alone. I admit, that I looked here MANY pages ago but only to see if there were issues with the set.

I can assure you that we bought this set after looking at almost everything else out there. We were even looking at CRT and DLP. The ONLY reason we bought the Q006 was because of the picture we saw. It is the same reason we bought the Meridian Proc and the speakers we chose. We heard lots of speakers and bought the B&W's because, to us, they sounded the best. We sure listened to a whole lot of speakers at lots of highend stores!

So, when we shop for an item, and finally chose it, I/we are happy with what we got as we know why we chose what we did. Of course prices will fall and new versions will come out, but that does not make us enjoy the Q006, or the Speakers, any less!

Dave

bobhoppel
10-12-05, 01:56 PM
Jeff

Have you considered or do you have any plans to visit the Chicago or Midwest ?

Any other Qualia owners near Chicago who are interested in having UMR do his magic to their 006 ?

I would certainly be interested!

umr
10-12-05, 04:12 PM
I could easily make a trip to the Midwest. I will be in St. Louis around Christmas. I could make a quick trip up to Chicago if the weather permits. PM or email me if you are interested. I have already listed St. Louis area tour dates on my website. I could also come up earlier that the dates shown if there is enough demand.

umr
10-12-05, 04:18 PM
How about Denver/Boulder, CO?

I am open to any place in the USA as long as I make a reasonable profit. I will not travel and loose money or break even. I have had several requests to travel to CA and other western states, but they have been unwilling to cover my travel expenses. Since I am not planning to travel there for pleasure it makes no sense for me to go there.

Penton-Man
10-12-05, 04:23 PM
I also see some macroblocking and breakup on fast moving objects. I would love to hear from owners here if you are also seeing the same things and is this normal for this technology.
I believe that is courtesy of your local cable company or satellite provider and I’m hoping that brt can address this after he hooks up his Algolith Squeeter bug.

umr
10-12-05, 04:24 PM
Do you ski? ;)

Yes, but I get severe asthma from the wood being burnt at every ski resort. I have no desire to return and go back to the hospital.

Penton-Man
10-12-05, 04:26 PM
Ask yourself this question...
Why on earth does Artwood continue to think that we actually care what he says????? :confused:

I just love the long speeches because it adds to our page count. :D

Penton-Man
10-12-05, 04:28 PM
Art, I'm not sure what has sparked this new persona??? What reason do you have to make such inflammatory statements (I've never considered you a flamer previously)?

You are giving this thread and this forum WAY too much credit. The envy it may have caused is tiny tiny in Sony's world. I doubt the SXRD sets sold this forum has directly influenced even show up as percentage points in Sony's bottom line. Your conspiracy theory is quite far fetched IMHO.
LOL.....
You hit the nail on dee head.

But ole Artwood does provide us with good comic relief from time to time. :D

Penton-Man
10-12-05, 04:29 PM
Yes, but I get severe asthma from the wood being burnt at every ski resort. I have no desire to return and go back to the hospital.
How come I never see your little green light on ??????
Is that some kind of computer thing ????

Penton-Man
10-12-05, 04:32 PM
That was the best Qualia 006 I have seen. The color primaries and secondaries on this set were nearly spot on. I wish everyone could get one that looked that good.
C'mon Neo, umr, TANKFULL....... you guys are killin me !!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's have some DETAILS on the calibration !!!!!!!!!!!!


At least throw us a bone or two !!!!!

hifi59
10-12-05, 04:33 PM
FYI... just bought the SpyderTV by Datacolor (colorvision.com). i ran it on my Q006. after 30 minutes, it came back with numbers very close to my calibrated numbers. only difference was it wanted color,bright,contrast all equally lowered a few notches than what i already had. not bad! Since the product doesn't specifically state it supports Lcos, i decided to call the company. The Csr told me it does not support Lcos. i was a bit surprised as it ran thru the tests nicely on my set. I will keep it. It's pretty cool! i have 3 calibrations lined up with it almost covering the cost of the unit.

umr
10-12-05, 04:45 PM
hifi59,

Be very careful using the SpyderTV to calibrate gray scale on a Qualia. My SpyderTV is horrible on the LCoS set I tested it on. The low end sensitivity of the light meter is also unlikely to work on a set like the Qualia with very low black levels.

umr
10-12-05, 04:46 PM
How come I never see your little green light on ??????
Is that some kind of computer thing ????
I choose not to display my online status.

umr
10-12-05, 04:48 PM
C'mon Neo, umr, TANKFULL....... you guys are killin me !!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's have some DETAILS on the calibration !!!!!!!!!!!!


At least throw us a bone or two !!!!!

What do you want to know?

umr
10-12-05, 04:58 PM
What settings are you using for your Q after calibration? Have you assigned these to all the inputs or do you find that you prefer them on specific ones, ie dvd,sat, cable, ld? Thanks, steve

Video device user menu settings vary from set to set and device to device. They are not universal. I also adjust the sources to achieve the best results that I can from each. This will include device user settings along with wiring changes, attenuators and custom video delay circuitry when necessary. These things require one to carefully examine the displays performance along with each source to obtain the best results with what is available. Copying a few settings without considering the video system as a whole will not yield the full potential from any display.

Audio calibration is even more custom with the room, speaker and listener position playing critical roles. Copying settings on the audio side is similarly and probably more obviously flawed.

hifi59
10-12-05, 06:35 PM
Since the product doesn't specifically state it supports Lcos, i decided to call the company. The Csr told me it does not support Lcos. i was a bit surprised as it ran thru the tests nicely on my set.

i just looked at the software again. Lcos IS an option. The Csr must not be up to date.

hifi59
10-12-05, 06:41 PM
hifi59,

Be very careful using the SpyderTV to calibrate gray scale on a Qualia. My SpyderTV is horrible on the LCoS set I tested it on. The low end sensitivity of the light meter is also unlikely to work on a set like the Qualia with very low black levels.

Thanx umr. i bought it mainly for other people's sets. just tested it on my Q. i left my bias/gains as joel set them on his cs200. b/w images are , and remain, very b/w.

Penton-Man
10-12-05, 07:41 PM
What do you want to know?
Any tidbit of knowledge for inquiring minds…..for example –

1. Did you find anything interesting or different on your recent calibrations that you have not mentioned in “A Qualia Experience” or on this thread as an incidental note that could provide insight for people to improve their Qualia viewing experience while awaiting a GEN-U-INE umr calibration ??????????????????

2. Did you notice much of a difference in the individual displays as they came from Sony before you did your calibration?

3. After you ordered your Guinness and the barkeep found out that you calibrate Qualia 006’s …..did he exclaim …..”Brilliant.”

4. As an aside, have you heard of any calibration discs in the works that are like the DVE 1080i tape but will be in disc form to fit and play in a Sony Blu-ray ………and would they theoretically be of help to you for future calibrations with this component connected to the 006 ?

Penton-Man
10-12-05, 07:42 PM
To Neo and other recent recipients of a umr calibration……….

Did you feel it was worth the expense ?

Were you there during the calibration ?

Refresh our memories as to what DVD players you have hooked up to your 006 and how do you receive broadcast channels…..what STB…..cable, satellite ?

After umr’s calibration did you change (or did umr recommend a change?) of any wiring going into your 006 or signal input……..For example HDMI vs. component or 480i or 480p vs 1080i into the Qualia bird ?

Is umr a Republican ?

Penton-Man
10-12-05, 07:44 PM
I hope the last question isn't too personal.....I just ran out of things to ask for. :)

hifi59
10-12-05, 08:11 PM
Is umr a Republican ?

i am. damn, did i say that out loud?

Neo2005
10-12-05, 08:17 PM
In order of importance, I am a republican, but umr doesn't have to be anything, he has a son in West Point, who may go on to be in the "Special Forces" and a Scout at that! I think that speaks all that is necessary.

He did approve of my cheap Pany DVD and component wiring of same but ended up changing it to 480p vs. 480i. It looked a lot better.

Within the menus that are reachable by us he did change a few settings, but I will allow him to fill you in if he chooses. I can tell you that I am not a wealthy man and pick my toys carefully, but he and his calibrations for both video and audio were worth every penny.

What else he did within the service menu must remain his trade secret. I was there every minute, from approx 2:00pm to after 6:00pm.

Penton-Man
10-12-05, 08:29 PM
He did approve of my cheap Pany DVD and component wiring of same but ended up changing it to 480p vs. 480i. It looked a lot better.

I knew or guessed right at everthing you mentioned EXCEPT for the above...
WHICH model Pany DVD player?

Penton-Man
10-12-05, 08:31 PM
He did approve of my cheap Pany DVD and component wiring of same but ended up changing it to 480p vs. 480i.

umr, why?

Please don't say it looked better that way. What initiated the change in your mind to try out 480p?

umr
10-12-05, 11:55 PM
umr, why?

Please don't say it looked better that way. What initiated the change in your mind to try out 480p?

This is not a change in my mind from my normal SOP. I have reference material that I know what it should look like. When my material does not look good I start experimenting to see what looks best with a given player. I know that is not what you wanted to here, but it is reality. Every source/display/connection has an optimum choice that needs to be determined. My goal is for my clients to get the absolute best PQ from their equipment so I don't stop until I am satisfied I have found the best solution for what they have.

I will even suggest equipment changes if they are likely to yield significant improvements.

umr
10-13-05, 12:04 AM
Any tidbit of knowledge for inquiring minds…..for example –

1. Did you find anything interesting or different on your recent calibrations that you have not mentioned in “A Qualia Experience” or on this thread as an incidental note that could provide insight for people to improve their Qualia viewing experience while awaiting a GEN-U-INE umr calibration ??????????????????

2. Did you notice much of a difference in the individual displays as they came from Sony before you did your calibration?

3. After you ordered your Guinness and the barkeep found out that you calibrate Qualia 006’s …..did he exclaim …..”Brilliant.”

4. As an aside, have you heard of any calibration discs in the works that are like the DVE 1080i tape but will be in disc form to fit and play in a Sony Blu-ray ………and would they theoretically be of help to you for future calibrations with this component connected to the 006 ?

1. I find a surprising lack of consistency in performance between these sets. The primaries seem to vary much more than I would have thought.

2. The settings do change some between the sets. Sony seems to be modifying them a little.

3. I never discuss Qualia's with non-Qualian's.

4. I have not heard of any, but I would bet Joe Kane is or will be doing one soon. It would probably not help much with video unless the player did not conform to standard levels. It may be a requirement on the audio side if the standards change.

umr
10-13-05, 12:06 AM
...Is umr a Republican ?

:eek: :D :cool: :p

Artwood
10-13-05, 12:23 AM
Penton-Man and kaduku: I love you both as cousins--a zillion times Qualia removed! Peace!

kaduku
10-13-05, 12:33 AM
Penton-Man and kaduku: I love you both as cousins--a zillion times Qualia removed! Peace!

Peace Bruddah! :)

kaduku
10-13-05, 12:42 AM
Kingdom of Heaven

I just finished watching this movie on DVD. Beautifully filmed and a great transfer. I now see the controversy did movie created. I can just imagine how it would look on a UMR calibrated Q :eek:

Artwood
10-13-05, 12:43 AM
I would say the same thing to divedue but I'm afraid it might drown him!

rubear
10-13-05, 11:12 AM
Nice setup, Robert! And welcome to AVS!

I'm using a Sony STR-DA5000ES. Fairly inexpensive, has delay processing (in 10ms steps), and you can use the Sony S-Link ports to effectively make the TV into the IR receiver for it. Admittedly, it's probably overkill for what you want, though.

Also, Penton-Man posted some other suggestions a few pages back. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6251231#post6251231)

Hope that helps!

--Dwayne
(Official Historian of the Qualia 006 Owners' Thread)

Thanks Dwayne,
I need a processor without amplification. I may eventually replace my processor with one that has programmable delay. For now I've ordered a delay unit from http://lipfix.com.
Sony sent a tech out that updated my firmware, but no change. He said that *all* high end displays have some delay. He said some are very sensitive to it, others just don't notice it. He has ordered a new "video processor". he seems uncertain if it will help.

He got into a service menu, anyone know the codes for that?

Thanks,
-
Robert
http://stampededrive.net/Theater.htm

Neo2005
10-13-05, 11:31 AM
rubear quote: "He got into a service menu, anyone know the codes for that?


Danger Will Robinson, .... Danger!

brt3
10-13-05, 12:34 PM
He got into a service menu, anyone know the codes for that?
SOME danger, Will. As long as you write EVERYTHING down before changing a setting you can usually return that setting to normal. That being said, I do NOT play around in the service menu, though I won't be hatin' others that do...

For info on how to access the SM go to my page under "Downloads" HERE. (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing32.html) Go to the bottom right and download the file marked "DIAGNOSTICS". This will give you details on accessing the SM; specifically, it shows how to access the "hour-meter" for the lamp.

Once I have the time (post knee-surgery) I will post the remainder of the SM. Since I had to enter what I've posted manually (into Word, converted into pdf) I need someone/someplace who can convert the SM into pdf. Does Kinko's do this kinda thing?

Penton-Man
10-13-05, 03:49 PM
Jeff

Have you considered or do you have any plans to visit the Chicago or Midwest ?

Any other Qualia owners near Chicago who are interested in having UMR do his magic to their 006 ?
I love you as an old school motor-sickle fanatic...............
but WE WAS ROBBED !!!!!!! (I always wanted to say that)

Penton....an ANAHEIM angels fan, of course ......and a Qualia 006 owner. :D

Penton-Man
10-13-05, 03:51 PM
Penton-Man and kaduku: I love you both as cousins--a zillion times Qualia removed! Peace!
I love you too Artwood.

Do you think that the latest bomb scare for the N.Y.C. subway system was actually perpetuated by the bus companies that provide service for the New Yorkers in order to bring in more income for a few days ?

Sony Ruby…..Next big thing for the masses that can’t afford the 004 ?

Penton-Man
10-13-05, 03:56 PM
:eek: :D :cool: :p
For some odd reason when I see your handle "umr" - I think Republican.
I can justify such thought process from the "u" and "r" but I have no idea about the "m" to cause me to make that association.

On that note, when I see Ray's handle, "brt" - I always think of a bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwhich.

Go figure.
I'm sure the see-key-a-trists out there are having a field day with this.

Thanks for the feedback on the questions. :)

Penton-Man
10-13-05, 03:58 PM
Kingdom of Heaven

I just finished watching this movie on DVD. Beautifully filmed and a great transfer. I now see the controversy did movie created. I can just imagine how it would look on a UMR calibrated Q :eek:
I also watched it ................on Tue. night and I must say you are absolutely correct. It IS beautifully filmed and the transfer is fan-tas-mic. The storyline is purty darn good also.

I missed the bit about the controversy with this film. Please enlighten. What's with that?

Penton-Man
10-13-05, 04:05 PM
4. I have not heard of any, but I would bet Joe Kane is or will be doing one soon. It would probably not help much with video unless the player did not conform to standard levels. It may be a requirement on the audio side if the standards change.
Well then I figure I'll be seeing you in or around April 006 to calibrate my 006.

Go NAVY ! :D

Penton-Man
10-13-05, 04:07 PM
I am open to any place in the USA as long as I make a reasonable profit. I will not travel and loose money or break even. I have had several requests to travel to CA and other western states, but they have been unwilling to cover my travel expenses. Since I am not planning to travel there for pleasure it makes no sense for me to go there.
Well, I sure as hell hope that us Cali guys can get umr to do a tour around April 2006 (which is when I think I'll be ready for him) because I don't want to get stuck with the whole expense thing, so-low-men-tay ! :eek:

C'mon you guys, California has to have more Qualia owners (at least by AVS posting standards) than any other state ?

You don't go out and buy a Ferrari and not have the absolute best guy tune it to ultimate performance for a fraction of the cost of the original purchase.

jb007
10-13-05, 04:26 PM
For some odd reason when I see your handle "umr" - I think Republican.
I can justify such thought process from the "u" and "r" but I have no idea about the "m" to cause me to make that association.

On that note, when I see Ray's handle, "brt" - I always think of a bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwhich.

Go figure.
I'm sure the see-key-a-trists out there are having a field day with this.

Thanks for the feedback on the questions. :)

So, P-M, do you think of a martini -- shaken, not stirred -- when you see my postings? :D

Penton-Man
10-13-05, 04:29 PM
Of course ! :D

jb007
10-13-05, 04:29 PM
Well, I sure as hell hope that us Cali guys can get umr to do a tour around April 2006 (which is when I think I'll be ready for him) because I don't want to get stuck with the whole expense thing, so-low-men-tay ! :eek:

C'mon you guys, California has to have more Qualia owners (at least by AVS posting standards) than any other state ?

You don't go out and buy a Ferrari and not have the absolute best guy tune it to ultimate performance for a fraction of the cost of the original purchase.

P-M I am up (or is that down) for a umr calibration. I exchanged PM's (now you know what I think of when I see your handle :D) with umr awhile back, but as much as he tried to defray the costs of travel, it appeared there weren't too many of us getting calibrations to spread the costs. Count me in.

Ted99
10-13-05, 04:38 PM
As the owner of the Q006 that was first reviewed by UMR and the first to be callibrated by him, I'll chip in on the "Republican" topic. I'm the Democrat that is running against a first-term Republican in Texas Congressional District Ten. You can see my bio on my website at www.tedankrum.com. Just think, if, by some miracle, I got elected; there would be a Member that knew the difference between SDE and SSE!

brt3
10-13-05, 04:42 PM
Well, I sure as hell hope that us Cali guys can get umr to do a tour around April 2006 (which is when I think I'll be ready for him) because I don't want to get stuck with the whole expense thing.
I'm in on the NoCal swing. There must be at least 2-3 of us in the Bay Area? Me, Kaduku, and another Q006 owner in Mill Valley for sure -- plus, there are a few more SFO posters, methinks...

Penton-Man
10-13-05, 05:21 PM
P-M I am up (or is that down) for a umr calibration. I exchanged PM's (now you know what I think of when I see your handle :D) with umr awhile back, but as much as he tried to defray the costs of travel, it appeared there weren't too many of us getting calibrations to spread the costs. Count me in.
Well since umr appears to enjoy his Guinness….I surely hope that Joel will join in on the fun.

Also, Rob T. (in Riverside ?) ….I betcha umr does front projectors too !

Penton-Man
10-13-05, 05:24 PM
As the owner of the Q006 that was first reviewed by UMR and the first to be callibrated by him, I'll chip in on the "Republican" topic. I'm the Democrat that is running against a first-term Republican in Texas Congressional District Ten. You can see my bio on my website at www.tedankrum.com. Just think, if, by some miracle, I got elected; there would be a Member that knew the difference between SDE and SSE!
Well then …you must have been happy with the latest national poll results referred to on NBC National News last night. :)

b.t.w. ----
SDE = Social Democratic Party of Estonia :D

Penton-Man
10-13-05, 05:26 PM
Kaduku
Fierce African Warrior ….sort of cut from the same thread as the Zulu warrior. :)

Ted99
10-13-05, 05:27 PM
Watched it on my HD TIVO and loved it.

TANKFULL
10-13-05, 06:48 PM
To Neo and other recent recipients of a umr calibration……….

Did you feel it was worth the expense ?

Were you there during the calibration ?

Refresh our memories as to what DVD players you have hooked up to your 006 and how do you receive broadcast channels…..what STB…..cable, satellite ?

After umr’s calibration did you change (or did umr recommend a change?) of any wiring going into your 006 or signal input……..For example HDMI vs. component or 480i or 480p vs 1080i into the Qualia bird ?

Is umr a Republican ?


Hi Penton-Man,
Here's my answer to your questions.

I definitley thought it was worth the expense. We all have a lot of money tied up in our equipment. I'm the type of person that needs to know that everything is working at it's peak preformance.(Audio/Video)

I was there for the calibration. Although much of what UMR did(Audio/Video)was above my knowledge, it was enjoyable to learn more about my System. Plus UMR
is a neat guy and enjoyable to talk to.

I have a Denon 3910 DVD player and I have satellitte.

UMR changed my DVD hook up into the 006 from HDMI to Componet and set the DVD to 480i to allow the 006 to up convet to 1080i. This improved the picture noticably.

I have no idea if UMR is a Republican or Democrat. But He is one smart guy. So, maybe he does lean a little to the right!

Walter

Penton-Man
10-13-05, 06:57 PM
Thanks for the feedback !
You sure he doesn't lean a little to the right because of an old football injury to his right knee? :D

b.t.w. -
Penton word association test for "TANKFULL" = Always Prepared :)

TANKFULL
10-13-05, 07:02 PM
Thanks for the feedback !
You sure he doesn't lean a little to the right because of an old football injury to his right knee? :D

b.t.w. -
Penton word association test for "TANKFULL" = Always Prepared :)

I don't think so, because he did'nt walk with a limp.

Walter

Neo2005
10-13-05, 07:02 PM
P-M I'm thinking that "TANKFUL" was that "person" who gave you "directions" somewhere in France.

Penton-Man
10-13-05, 07:10 PM
I think the see-key-a-trists would have more fun with you or BenDover than me ! :D

You are one naughty fellow. :eek:

TANKFULL
10-13-05, 07:19 PM
P-M I'm thinking that "TANKFUL" was that "person" who gave you "directions" somewhere in France.

Since I stopped eating french Fries I've lost 15 pounds!

brt3
10-13-05, 07:39 PM
Since I stopped eating french Fries I've lost 15 pounds!
And I've gained 15 since I started eating "Freedom Fries"...

kaduku
10-13-05, 08:35 PM
I have a Denon 3910 DVD player and I have satellitte.

UMR changed my DVD hook up into the 006 from HDMI to Componet and set the DVD to 480i to allow the 006 to up convet to 1080i. This improved the picture noticably.



Bendover and I have the same set up as you, except we have it connected via HDMI and on 1080i. I am assuming that you had it set this way also. I may just try component also just to see, even without the calibration.

Neo2005
10-13-05, 10:35 PM
Quote:

"Bendover and I have the same set up as you, except we have it connected via HDMI and on 1080i. I am assuming that you had it set this way also. I may just try component also just to see, even without the calibration."

kaduku ......I don't think you will need calibration to tell the difference when switching to component vs. HDMI, but also play with 480i vs. 480p just to see the diff. Each unit is different so what works in one home may not in the other.

thestewman
10-14-05, 12:48 AM
I love you as an old school motor-sickle fanatic...............
but WE WAS ROBBED !!!!!!! (I always wanted to say that)

Penton....an ANAHEIM angels fan, of course ......and a Qualia 006 owner. :D

Yes you were robbed. Somehow we got away with it. But I'm a Cubs fan.
I watched the replay of the play frame by frame and could not say it hit the ground. That, and a lack of dirt or dust pretty much proves it never touched the ground. The LA catcher stated there was not a speck of dirt on the ball.

thestewman
10-14-05, 12:59 AM
Sony Ruby…..Next big thing for the masses that can’t afford the 004 :

Penton

What is a Ruby ?

BenDover
10-14-05, 10:53 AM
All these happy umr calibration customers has got me bumming even more so that I got called out of town at the last minute... I find the 3910 info interesting. Hopefully I'll be able to catch him at a later date when he visits his son again.

umr
10-14-05, 10:55 AM
All these happy umr calibration customers has got me bumming even more so that I got called out of town at the last minute... I find the 3910 info interesting. Hopefully I'll be able to catch him at a later date when he visits his son again.

I will be back around Army-Navy. Check my website www.accucal.org for more details on tour dates and locations. This show may be coming to your area soon.:D

My front row seats for U2 at MSG were fabulous as well. Thought I might give you something else to be bummed about.

kaduku
10-14-05, 11:28 AM
I also watched it ................on Tue. night and I must say you are absolutely correct. It IS beautifully filmed and the transfer is fan-tas-mic. The storyline is purty darn good also.

I missed the bit about the controversy with this film. Please enlighten. What's with that?

Well, correct if I am wrong, but the movie implies that it was the Christians that started the war against the Muslims. Peeps were also worried that the movie might incite more problems with Al-Queda.

Penton-Man
10-14-05, 02:11 PM
Well, correct if I am wrong, but the movie implies that it was the Christians that started the war against the Muslims.
Yup, that’s the impression I got but I would qualify it by saying they aint no Christians that Christ would have been proud of.

Was that not historically correct?

I never did well in history…..calculus was my forte. :D

Penton-Man
10-14-05, 02:11 PM
Peeps were also worried that the movie might incite more problems with Al-Queda.
Typical garbage.
People should accept it for what it is.

A movie about “A knight…….His men” and a new found love. :)

Penton-Man
10-14-05, 02:14 PM
Penton

What is a Ruby ?
PLEASE don't say that out loud in front of my wife. :eek:
It will cost me yet another trip to some foreign land. :eek: :eek:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=578834

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=578853

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6191715&&#post6191715

*Despite what previous posters have implied in the past, Greg Rogers from WSR claims that "The VPL-VW100 (da Ruby :D ) will only accept 1080p24sf through its analog inputs, YPbPr or RGB. It will only accept 1080p60 (or 1080p50) through its digital inputs (DVI or HDMI).".........if you're into frame rate stuff.

Penton-Man
10-14-05, 02:17 PM
Since I stopped eating french Fries I've lost 15 pounds!
With my jaded (since we’re now into dem expensive stones :eek: ) mind I was thinking more in terms of high octane gasoline…..ala VP Racing fuel. :D

kaduku
10-14-05, 05:25 PM
PM,
I didn't realized you've hit the 2000 mark. Congratulations! You're on track to equal Rogo's 20,000 plus posts in 10 years. Of course, by then Rogo would probably be in the 40,000 range :D

TANKFULL
10-14-05, 06:35 PM
With my jaded (since we’re now into dem expensive stones :eek: ) mind I was thinking more in terms of high octane gasoline…..ala VP Racing fuel. :D

Well, high test is best!

Penton-Man
10-14-05, 07:11 PM
PM,
I didn't realized you've hit the 2000 mark. Congratulations! You're on track to equal Rogo's 20,000 plus posts in 10 years. Of course, by then Rogo would probably be in the 40,000 range :D
Gol-dang, neither had I.
If I had known that, I might have stopped for a few days at 2005 just so that things in the universe would be in complete harmony.

Thanks for the congratulations and in regards to Rogo…..I plan on enlisting Artwood to investigate the validity of Rogo’s post count……..perhaps he can convince the moderators of some illegal activity thus causing a deduction of 20,000 or so my friend Rogo’s total and thus get me back in da game! :D

brt3
10-14-05, 08:00 PM
Thanks for the congratulations and in regards to Rogo…..I plan on enlisting Artwood to investigate the validity of Rogo’s post count……..perhaps he can convince the moderators of some illegal activity thus causing a deduction of 20,000 or so my friend Rogo’s total and thus get me back in da game! :D
Gotta be a conspiracy -- pretty sure that was Rogo piloting one of those black helicopters that are always buzzing my house...

brt3
10-14-05, 08:01 PM
And, personally, I can't wait until I make it to "666"...

kaduku
10-14-05, 08:03 PM
Gol-dang, neither had I.
If I had known that, I might have stopped for a few days at 2005 just so that things in the universe would be in complete harmony.

Thanks for the congratulations and in regards to Rogo…..I plan on enlisting Artwood to investigate the validity of Rogo’s post count……..perhaps he can convince the moderators of some illegal activity thus causing a deduction of 20,000 or so my friend Rogo’s total and thus get me back in da game! :D


lol hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha uuuuuggghhhhh

kaduku
10-14-05, 08:04 PM
Gotta be a conspiracy -- pretty sure that was Rogo piloting one of those black helicopters that are always buzzing my house...


lol! You guys are killing me!

JimP
10-14-05, 10:19 PM
kaduku

O.K., those last two post can't possibly count. Deduct 2 from kaduku. You're back to 689. lol :)

Hike
10-15-05, 11:36 AM
I'm new at this and I saw the Qualia 70" and all I have to say is WOW!! It's the finest screen I've ever seen. Clearer and more crisp then everything else. My question is this I'm having a tough time deciding if I want to drop $10.500 on the Qualia or wait for Sony to come out with a larger version of their 60" LCOS which I think is the second best picture I've seen. Is their talk of at least 65" or 70" in the XBR LCOS line or not??

The Samsung 67" DLP is good too but the Sony 60" LCOS is a hair better as far as I'm concerned.

I wonder what the price of the Qualia will do near Christmas time?

Any advise would be appreciated! Thanks!!

brt3
10-15-05, 01:07 PM
So, I went to Magnolia and saw the Sony 60" SXRD. My initial feeling is one of disappointment. The guy says he can set it up with a better source , and we'll try again. Looked like they were running HD via DishNetwork, and the compression artifacts were pretty unpleasant. That was either from the source or their distribution network. I'm guessing the thing is actually quite good at it's price point, but it's really hard watching anything after owning the Q006. If you want the best picture $10K can buy go for the Qualia 006, buy it immediately, and enjoy it...

divedude
10-15-05, 03:31 PM
So, I went to Magnolia and saw the Sony 60" SXRD. My initial feeling is one of disappointment. The guy says he can set it up with a better source , and we'll try again. Looked like they were running HD via DishNetwork, and the compression artifacts were pretty unpleasant. That was either from the source or their distribution network. I'm guessing the thing is actually quite good at it's price point, but it's really hard watching anything after owning the Q006. If you want the best picture $10K can buy go for the Qualia 006, buy it immediately, and enjoy it...

brt3,

I spent Friday looking at TV's to replace the two year old 27" Sony tube in the bedroom. I went to three different places and saw either 50" or 60" SXRD's in all of them. I wasn't overly impressed. They looked good compared to the other RP's, but not as good as the plasma's or LCD's. And certainly not as good as the Qualia 006. I went with the intention of getting a 50" SXRD and mounting it high on the wall next to the ceiling. One of the 60" SXRD's I saw was sitting at standing eye level, so I took the opportunity to lay on the floor to get an idea of what it would look like from my bed. The brightness dropped off tremendously, and since there is not a practical way to angle the set, I crossed it off my list.

Since my usual bedtime viewing is watching MASH on the Hallmark Channel prior to going to sleep, I was afraid the Hallmark insignia would burn into a plasma. So I brought home a Sony Bravia 40" XBR LCD. And I was impressed with the picture.

Now as soon as I can get Mini Dive to help me get the 111 LB. tube off its 6' high mount, we can install the new TV. :eek:

And to Hike, I would also say get the 006 now and start enjoying great TV :D

kaduku
10-15-05, 07:33 PM
I'm new at this and I saw the Qualia 70" and all I have to say is WOW!! It's the finest screen I've ever seen. Clearer and more crisp then everything else. My question is this I'm having a tough time deciding if I want to drop $10.500 on the Qualia or wait for Sony to come out with a larger version of their 60" LCOS which I think is the second best picture I've seen. Is their talk of at least 65" or 70" in the XBR LCOS line or not??

The Samsung 67" DLP is good too but the Sony 60" LCOS is a hair better as far as I'm concerned.

I wonder what the price of the Qualia will do near Christmas time?



Though the 60" SXRD had the best picture in the house at Circuit City (of course, the Q was not there), I still feel the Qualia looks better, maybe because of the size, or maybe the PQ, or both. There is speculation that a 70" XBR SRXD will be available sometime mid 2006. Personally, if I was in your shoes, I would wait til Christmas then go for the Qualia :)

brt3
10-15-05, 07:59 PM
I've been thinking about the biggest PQ difference between the Qualia and the 60" Sony SXRD. Why was I so disappointed when the thing is quite good relative to its' competition? The biggest factor in this -- I believe -- is how comfortably you can watch the Qualia at close distances. You can get away with watching the Q006 at 8 feet, but when you translate this ratio of screen size to viewing distance over to the 60" SXRD you end up closer (let's say 6.5 feet just for the sake of discussion). At this distance the picture on the Baby SXRD just doesn't seem to work as well as on the Q. Now, I fully realize that the SXRD I saw was (more than likely) not as well dialed-in as my Qualia. That being the case, I did not have the "holy sh*t" out-of-the-box viewing experience that I did with the Qualia...

Penton-Man
10-15-05, 08:15 PM
I've been thinking about the biggest PQ difference between the Qualia and the 60" Sony SXRD. Why was I so disappointed when the thing is quite good relative to its' competition? The biggest factor in this -- I believe -- is how comfortably you can watch the Qualia at close distances. You can get away with watching the Q006 at 8 feet, but when you translate this ratio of screen size to viewing distance over to the 60" SXRD you end up closer (let's say 6.5 feet just for the sake of discussion). At this distance the picture on the Baby SXRD just doesn't seem to work as well as on the Q. .
And that is indeed an important point my friend as at least with displays.... SIZE DOES MATTER......
We usually sit at a distance of 9 Ft. and a few inches to get that IMAX effect with none of the known detrimental effects described with some other large TeeVee's at this viewing distance.

Any news from Algolith on the Squeeter?

Penton-Man
10-15-05, 08:21 PM
Now as soon as I can get Mini Dive to help me get the 111 LB. tube off its 6' high mount, we can install the new TV. :eek:

So I assume you're using the same mount for your new TV ?
And what may that be in case others of us need a recommendation ?

Are you done everything yet and awaiting the endo with biopsy ?

divedude
10-15-05, 09:13 PM
So I assume you're using the same mount for your new TV ?
And what may that be in case others of us need a recommendation ?

Are you done everything yet and awaiting the endo with biopsy ?


PM,

No, I have to take down the old one. I purchased a new mount made to hold a plasma or LCD flat panel. It is called the OmniMount U3 Tilt -

http://www.omnimount.com/product.asp?p=120

It is very heavy duty with additional parts for expansion to wide studs and still allow centering. And it lets me tilt 15 degrees. Even has a place for a padlock. I got it at CC.

The old mount is made for a tube TV. I have attached pictures of each.

Still doing chemo. Had a treatment last Monday and have my last one on Oct. 24. Then it looks like the endo and biopsy in mid November. One reason I went ahead and got a larger TV for the bedroom was in case I need surgery, I wanted to get it mounted first. And a guy needs some new toys once in awhile ;)

One of the places I saw the 50" SXRD also had the 70" Q. They weren't in the same room though.

Penton-Man
10-15-05, 09:28 PM
PM,

No, I have to take down the old one. I purchased a new mount made to hold a plasma or LCD flat panel. It is called the OmniMount U3 Tilt -

http://www.omnimount.com/product.asp?p=120

It is very heavy duty with additional parts for expansion to wide studs and still allow centering. And it lets me tilt 15 degrees. Even has a place for a padlock. I got it at CC.

The old mount is made for a tube TV. I have attached pictures of each.
.
Let us know how the new mount works out with the new TeeVee.

Also any link to the old mount that you are using?

I would hope that they postpone the endo and bx. until AFTER Thanksgiving unless you are pushing them for an early answer.

Penton-Man
10-15-05, 09:30 PM
Came across this and nearly had a seizure laughing my arse off………….

Engineer>attorney>salesman>EF Hutton ?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6355507&&#post6355507

Sooooooo happy his wife is the actual Qualian.

Penton-Man
10-15-05, 10:15 PM
PM,
in case I need surgery
Hope not…… but, in case you do, and they perform a gastric pull-thru…….the upside is…. I guarantee you will have the most unique CXR (chest x-ray) in your neighborhood.

Could be a real attention-getter during commercial time while viewing the 006 with friends other than the little fella………mini. :)

brt3
10-15-05, 11:43 PM
SIZE DOES MATTER......Hey, I wear a size 14 shoe...
:D

Any news from Algolith on the Squeeter?NADA! Since I'm going under the arthroscope pretty soon (Nov. 1st) I'm beginning to doubt I'll get infested in time for extensive comparison during rehab...

brt3
10-16-05, 12:30 AM
Found what I'm sending Penton for Christmas...
:eek:
Sony XDCAM (http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000843063502)

Penton-Man
10-16-05, 10:39 AM
Found what I'm sending Penton for Christmas...
:eek:
Sony XDCAM (http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000843063502)
Wow-zir !

I just hope you're not sending it C.O.D. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Marco99
10-16-05, 08:23 PM
I've been thinking about the biggest PQ difference between the Qualia and the 60" Sony SXRD. Why was I so disappointed when the thing is quite good relative to its' competition? The biggest factor in this -- I believe -- is how comfortably you can watch the Qualia at close distances. You can get away with watching the Q006 at 8 feet, but when you translate this ratio of screen size to viewing distance over to the 60" SXRD you end up closer (let's say 6.5 feet just for the sake of discussion). At this distance the picture on the Baby SXRD just doesn't seem to work as well as on the Q. Now, I fully realize that the SXRD I saw was (more than likely) not as well dialed-in as my Qualia. That being the case, I did not have the "holy sh*t" out-of-the-box viewing experience that I did with the Qualia...

I totally agree with you on this issue. The 60" SXRD is really very nice when you compare it to the 50-60" rear projectors in the $2k-4K price range. They've all got problems but the SXRD seems to beat them in most areas. It's got better blacks, more vibrant colors and almost no SDE. But, I really wonder about two things with the 60" SXRD. Is there any way to know with absolute certainty that the quality of the scaler (or the general build of the scaler) is equivalent or superior to the 006? And, could it be the screen materials make a big difference (like a HOLY $HIT difference)? :eek:

And one more, final provocative thought, do we necessarily know that the 3rd generation SXRD panels, or even the fact that they are smaller, makes it necessarily superior to the previous SXRD panels? :confused:

divedude
10-16-05, 08:33 PM
[QUOTE=Penton-Man]Let us know how the new mount works out with the new TeeVee.

Also any link to the old mount that you are using?
QUOTE]


PM,

Here is a link to my tube TeeVee mount. These can be purchased at most TV stores or at Home Depot. They make different sizes depending on how large the TV is. I have my rear speakers mounted on the 13" size. That way I can have the speakers mounted high and tilted down.

http://www.teeveesupply.com/product_pages/wall_mounts/tv_wall_mounts.htm

JimP
10-16-05, 08:34 PM
Marco99

I think that the main reason for going to a smaller chip is that it is cheaper to manufacture and for 60" and smaller sets, there is no benefit in having the larger chip.

Now this brings in another question. When Sony brings out a non Qualia SXRD 70" set, which SXRD chip are they going to use. Since it'll be priced a lot less than the Qualia, will they put the cheaper chip in it?

divedude
10-16-05, 08:54 PM
Since there has been much discussion on audio sync, I thought this might be of interest. The SONY LCD TV has an A/V Sync setting in the menu to give various delays to the audio feed to the Optical Out. So it looks like SONY is thinking about it.

Artwood
10-16-05, 10:10 PM
Audio sync would be great! Some people may be disapointed but Sony hasn't been able to come up with a sync that will delay my posts forever!

gazelle
10-16-05, 11:15 PM
Marco99

I think that the main reason for going to a smaller chip is that it is cheaper to manufacture and for 60" and smaller sets, there is no benefit in having the larger chip.

Now this brings in another question. When Sony brings out a non Qualia SXRD 70" set, which SXRD chip are they going to use. Since it'll be priced a lot less than the Qualia, will they put the cheaper chip in it?

It is in development now and will be smaller than the newest version currently in the 50" & 60" SXRDs. The chip in the Qualia 006 is passe' and won't be produced again (too awkward and too expensive). The trend, not only for Sony, but all LCoS - Based Displays is toward smaller and cheaper....

Marco99
10-16-05, 11:28 PM
It is in development now and will be smaller than the newest version currently in the 50" & 60" SXRDs. The chip in the Qualia 006 is passe' and won't be produced again (too awkward and too expensive). The trend, not only for Sony, but all LCoS - Based Displays is toward smaller and cheaper....

Yes, but do smaller chips and higher yields necessarily mean a better quality device or, more importantly, better PQ?

I mean, we are talking about projector technology. Has anyone ever argued an 8mm print is better than a 16mm, or 16mm better than 35mm, or 35 better than 70mm. With projected technology, why on earth would smaller be better for PQ? :confused:

G.B.
10-16-05, 11:31 PM
Good point......Unless smaller would be sharper & finer detail ?

brt3
10-16-05, 11:51 PM
Yes, but do smaller chips and higher yields necessarily mean a better quality device or, more importantly, better PQ?...Has anyone ever argued an 8mm print is better than a 16mm, or 16mm better than 35mm, or 35 better than 70mm. With projected technology, why on earth would smaller be better for PQ? :confused: Interesting analogy. I'm not (even remotely) an expert on SXRD, but one issue related to chip size might be fill factor; SXRD seems to tout this as an advantage, but do different sizes of SXRD chips have more "density" than others? Just to clarify, I'm referring to the what % of a chip is devoted to imaging vs. non-imaging elements...

umr
10-16-05, 11:56 PM
Here is a good article that discusses some of the factors involved in panel design. I am sure the specifics are out of date (2002), but the concepts should be valid.

http://www.joeinc.tv/publications/Jepsen_MD2002_Manuscript.pdf

gazelle
10-17-05, 12:02 AM
Interesting analogy. I'm not (even remotely) an expert on SXRD, but one issue related to chip size might be fill factor; SXRD seems to tout this as an advantage, but do different sizes of SXRD chips have more "density" than others? Just to clarify, I'm referring to the what % of a chip is devoted to imaging vs. non-imaging elements...

I'm certainly no expert either, but i guess smaller chips do lend themselves to higher fill factor and from a quality control viewpoint, one bad chip has a lesser effect on PQ. Better PQ is kind of irrelevant as long as it is approximately the same PQ at a much reduced cost from a manufacturer's viewpoint....

Marco99
10-17-05, 08:29 AM
Here is a good article that discusses some of the factors involved in panel design. I am sure the specifics are out of date (2002), but the concepts should be valid.

http://www.joeinc.tv/publications/Jepsen_MD2002_Manuscript.pdf

Correct me if I am wrong, but I am reading larger panel, better fill rate and better efficiency in the output. Even in the 40-60" sets. Obviously, the number of panels and the bulb plays a role, but I am reading bigger is better... :eek:

umr
10-17-05, 09:22 AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but I am reading larger panel, better fill rate and better efficiency in the output. Even in the 40-60" sets. Obviously, the number of panels and the bulb plays a role, but I am reading bigger is better... :eek:

That is correct if everything else is equal which is never the case.

Penton-Man
10-17-05, 05:40 PM
Within these players there are some differences, but they are all able to deliver the goods on Region 1 NTSC Film material over component. The Denon 3800 and 9000 may require factory or user upgrades to reach their full potential if it has not been done already.

Arcam FMJ DV-27
Arcam FMJ DV-27A
Denon DVD-3800
Denon DVD-9000
Denon DVD-2900
Onkyo DV-SP1000
Pioneer DV-59AVi
Jeff, are you recommending to people that own the Pio 59avi hook that player up to their 006 via component ????

umr
10-17-05, 05:42 PM
Jeff, are you recommending to people that own the Pio 59avi hook that player up to their 006 via component ????

I would recommend experimenting with it. 480p on component with these sets is VERY good and the Pioneer players do an excellent job on component. Using 1080i does not take advantage of the SI chip and using 720p forces double scaling.

Marco99
10-17-05, 06:12 PM
That is correct if everything else is equal which is never the case.

Ah, yes...ceteris paribus...which is an assumption...which is always a great way to start things off! :D

I guess I forgot to mention the optics before, when we were talking about the qualitative differences and what could be affecting the PQ. These are also obviously different between the 60" SXRD and the Qualia 006...

There are some other interesting papers on that site:

http://www.joeinc.tv/publications/publications.htm

Including market and technology predictions, and manufacturing processes.

From one of the papers, it looks like larger LCoS panels have better yield rates indivually, but since you can produce more small panels in the same manufacturing process you can produce them faster and therefore have better overall yield rates on smaller panels and lower costs.

It's always about $$$ and never about quality. Perhaps that's why it's called Qualia and costs $13k!!! ;)

Here's the take away for Qualia owners: Bigger is better (both diagonal screen and SXRD panels)...

Penton-Man
10-17-05, 07:18 PM
SIZE DOES MATTER

:eek:

Penton-Man
10-17-05, 07:20 PM
Hey, I wear a size 14 shoe...
:D
.
It appears we have a theme for this page. :eek: :eek:

I think we need a pic of MiniDive for balance. :)

Penton-Man
10-17-05, 07:25 PM
I would recommend experimenting with it. 480p on component with these sets is VERY good and the Pioneer players do an excellent job on component. Using 1080i does not take advantage of the SI chip and using 720p forces double scaling.
So you are saying that with this player hooked up to this display, 480p over component just may be better than 480i over HDMI ????????

And doesn't running 480p cause an extra step in de-interlacing compared to just shooting 480i into the Big Bad Qualia Bird ????????????

Now, I'm really confused. :confused:

umr
10-17-05, 07:37 PM
So you are saying that with this player hooked up to this display, 480p over component just may be better than 480i over HDMI ????????

And doesn't running 480p cause an extra step in de-interlacing compared to just shooting 480i into the Big Bad Qualia Bird ????????????

Now, I'm really confused. :confused:

480i and 480p over HDMI is definitely inferior to component on these sets.

Something must deinterlace the 480i signal to progressive and the Silicon Image chip is superior to anything Sony puts in their displays. The DVD player also has the advantage of working with the raw digital stream after MPEG decoding.

Penton-Man
10-17-05, 08:07 PM
Thanks for the clarification Jeff. :)

Penton-Man
10-17-05, 08:10 PM
brt or anyone?
Is the Pio 59avi being replaced by the 79avi or will it continue in Pioneer's line for the time being?

divedude
10-17-05, 08:45 PM
Originally Posted by brt3
Hey, I wear a size 14 shoe...



It appears we have a theme for this page. :eek: :eek:

I think we need a pic of MiniDive for balance. :)


PM,

Mini Dive may be short, but this is what he says he uses to measure with :cool:

divedude
10-17-05, 09:05 PM
His fins, that is :D

brt3
10-17-05, 10:50 PM
Is the Pio 59avi being replaced by the 79avi or will it continue in Pioneer's line for the time being? My understanding is that the 79AVi is a replacement for the 59AVi. There ought to be some decent deals on the 59 over the next few months...

brt3
10-17-05, 10:51 PM
Mini Dive may be short, but this is what he says he uses to measure with :cool:Mini Dive speaks softly, but carries a big stick...

brt3
10-17-05, 10:52 PM
His fins, that is :D Mini Dive has very good taste in program material. Had no idea he was a breast man...

Marco99
10-17-05, 11:22 PM
Just talked to a Qualia salesperson in Las Vegas and they said since the release of the 50" and 60" XBR SXRD sets, that sales of the Qualia 006 are up!

Perhaps those of us that are waiting for a price drop on the Qualia 006 are never going to see it. Not unless Sony decides to crank up production a little bit and sell even more units at a lower price.

Come on Sony!!! Under $10K! You can do it!!! ;)

Wish I could somehow guilt them into meeting their original product announcement at last year's CEDIA. This is how this whole mess got started for me!!! :mad:

Marco99
10-17-05, 11:23 PM
Mini Dive has very good taste in program material. Had no idea he was a breast man...

Yes, I noticed that also...could we get a measurement of what's on the screen? :cool:

brt3
10-17-05, 11:33 PM
Just talked to a Qualia salesperson in Las Vegas and they said since the release of the 50" and 60" XBR SXRD sets, that sales of the Qualia 006 are up! Wonder if that's because, as Sam Clemens once observed, "The rumors of the Qualia's death are greatly exaggerated"? Bet quite a few fence-sitters took the plunge when they heard those reports of Qualia's imminent demise...

brt3
10-17-05, 11:35 PM
Yes, I noticed that also...could we get a measurement of what's on the screen? :cool: Looked like Mini was ready to Dive right in...

brt3
10-17-05, 11:35 PM
Sorry for my recent spate of perversity. Those responsible have been sacked...

brt3
10-17-05, 11:41 PM
Wow! Amazing example of Qualia resolution; am watching the bayz-boll playoffs (STL/HOU) -- just tuned in. On the long shots you can clearly see George Herbert Walker Bush and his wife, Bar -- even though their heads are only about an inch in height you can clearly tell it's them. On the STL home run (just now) you could even "read his lips" ("Oh wow!", he exclaimed)...

Penton-Man
10-17-05, 11:44 PM
Sorry for my recent spate of perversity.
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII like it.
Shows I'm not the only perv on this thread. :D

Penton-Man
10-17-05, 11:45 PM
My understanding is that the 79AVi is a replacement for the 59AVi. There ought to be some decent deals on the 59 over the next few months...
EXACTLY ......what I was thinking!

brt3
10-17-05, 11:46 PM
EXACTLY ......what I was thinking!Do I sense some Algolith product in your future???

Penton-Man
10-17-05, 11:48 PM
Mini Dive has very good taste in program material. Had no idea he was a breast man...
Actually, you’ll note that MiniDive is a truly competitive fellow as the cleavage in those fins is more dramatic than that of those bosoms shown on the 006 !

Penton-Man
10-17-05, 11:51 PM
Do I sense some Algolith product in your future???
I just don't know.
You're my guinea pig tester.

Even if I don't purchase one, you have to consider a Pio in the $650-$700 range as the initial release of movies on Blu-ray can't be THAT overwhelming(in QUANTITY).........and I'm also wondering how much those 1080i movies will cost ?

Penton-Man
10-17-05, 11:55 PM
Just talked to a Qualia salesperson in Las Vegas and they said since the release of the 50" and 60" XBR SXRD sets, that sales of the Qualia 006 are up!

LOL :D LOL :D LOL :D
Call the paramedics, Artwood just went into a coma...........or a state of suspended dis-belief. ;)

brt3
10-17-05, 11:59 PM
Even if I don't purchase one, you have to consider a Pio in the $650-$700 range as the initial release of movies on Blu-ray can't be THAT overwhelming(in QUANTITY).........and I'm also wondering how much those 1080i movies will cost ?I gotta think -- based on previous roll-outs and the continuing format conflicts -- that it will take two years to get a large Blu-Ray catalog out there. Pricing is an interesting concept; I'm guessing they'll split the difference between current DVD prices and the average DVHS prices...

Neo2005
10-18-05, 04:59 PM
Thanks DD ... I always like to keep abreast of what Mini is up to.

divedude
10-18-05, 08:25 PM
We figured you guys would like those floation devices. And the 006 displayed them in their full size and glory :D

rubear
10-19-05, 10:53 AM
Anyone seen the KDS-R60XBR1 and 006 sets side-by-side? I'm curious, other than size, what differences can be seen.

The Sony tech came out to yesterday and replaced the video processor board in an attempt to reduce the video delay. I wasn't that excited to see him dive deep into the bowels of the set, but he appeared to know what he was doing. Absolutely no change in the delay, which is what he and I expected. And no change in the picture quality that I can see, so that is good. My delay processor should arrive today, so finally I can watch a musician pluck a string in time with the music.

http://stampededrive.net/Theater.htm

Marco99
10-19-05, 11:22 AM
Anyone seen the KDS-R60XBR1 and 006 sets side-by-side? I'm curious, other than size, what differences can be seen.

I haven't seen them side to side, but I have seen both of them independently. To me there are several big differences.

The screen material is superior on the Qualia 006. It looks far more glossy and window like than the XBR. It adds a punch that the XBR lacks. The XBR picture is really good, better than the other TV's around it, but it doesn't have a "WOW" quality to it like the Qualia.

The iris on the XBR really affects the black and color levels. You throw it wide open and you begin to see some of that punch of the Qualia. But you also begin to see some edges on the picture detail. I think the watts of the bulbs and the iris play a pretty significant role in why some people think the XBR's picture looks kind of "soft."

Finally, I think the closer you get to the Qualia's screen to examine the image you realize just how good it is, and how well it holds up under scrutiny. My experience, and this only my opinion, is that both the 50" and 60" XBR image does not hold up particularly well under close scrutiny. It is REALLY one of those sets where you MUST be 8' to 12' away to appreciate it. However, again, that is just my $0.02...

G.B.
10-19-05, 11:52 AM
RUBEAR, I PM 'ed You

Neo2005
10-19-05, 02:31 PM
Zechman where in the world are you maman .... nothing since 10/3/05.... If you be da post ho ... yo being out ho'd. Dwayne man may be on a holiday? Mini and we'uns be miss'en you.

Penton-Man
10-19-05, 05:25 PM
I would recommend experimenting with it. 480p on component with these sets is VERY good and the Pioneer players do an excellent job on component. Using 1080i does not take advantage of the SI chip and using 720p forces double scaling.
Well what are your thoughts on this…….

Speaking ONLY concerning video and not audio, given the fact that the Panny DVD S97 scored so high for component output (score 91….and at a price of <$300. would make one think that it is a giant killer!) on what I think is the most recent Secrets DVD comparisons…………

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all#Pioneer%20EliteDV-59AVi%20(Component)


do you think it is worthy of being on the list that you previously posted awhile back for recommended DVD players directly into the 006. (it outputs 480i and 480p over component)

I know that with 480i over component ….macroblocking is not supposed to even be an issue. Not sure if that applies to 480p or not.

Penton-Man
10-19-05, 05:26 PM
Zechman where in the world are you maman .... nothing since 10/3/05.... .
Being held hostage by a ring of Terminator computers ? :eek:

umr
10-19-05, 05:28 PM
Well what are your thoughts on this…….

Speaking ONLY concerning video and not audio, given the fact that the Panny DVD S97 scored so high for component output (score 91….and at a price of <$300. would make one think that it is a giant killer!) on what I think is the most recent Secrets DVD comparisons…………

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all#Pioneer%20EliteDV-59AVi%20(Component)

do you think it is worthy of being on the list that you previously posted awhile back for recommended DVD players directly into the 006. (it outputs 480i and 480p over component)

I know that with 480i over component ….macroblocking is not supposed to even be an issue. Not sure if that applies to 480p or not.

I would not put the S97 on that list. Secrets is a useful site, but you cannot take the ratings as being directly proportional to PQ on all displays.

brt3
10-19-05, 05:56 PM
Being held hostage by a ring of Terminator computers ? :eek: Or perhaps Zechman has been taken hostage by an Artwood pushed over the edge and into madness by the uptick in Qualia 006 sales. Poor Zechman, down in that cold, dark basement, being forced to watch DLP and plasma sets for every waking hour of each and every day...
:eek:

Penton-Man
10-19-05, 06:11 PM
I would not put the S97 on that list. Secrets is a useful site, but you cannot take the ratings as being directly proportional to PQ on all displays.
Even if ALL one cares about is video PQ as displayed on our Qualia 006’s and

1) You had no intention of EVER using an external scaler/processor; and
2) Your rec'r or pre/pro does not have I-Link and you NEVER intend to replace it, and
3) You have no interest in SACD or DVD-A (sound quality of DV-59AVI vs,S97),
????????????????????????????????????????????

The reason I’m pushing this…is because I’m getting ready to pull the trigger on a Pio 59avi but, if I hook it up and only see a very slight increase in PQ compared to the Panny S97, :( I will have felt that I just wasted some serious denario…. :mad:

esp. since the upcoming Blu-ray units will be able to play standard DVD’s. On the other hand, if initially I only see a slight increase in PQ, I would suppose you can also work your magic on this player as sourced to the 006 better than you could with the Panasonic ?????????

Penton-Man
10-19-05, 06:11 PM
Oh, on that Blu-ray note, I just heard that now the official debut of the Sony Blu-ray instead of being March 6, as I previously mentioned to all Qualians, is NOW March/Aprilish…because they want to try to coincide it with PlayStation stuff.

I may be going to the big Sony par-tey next Thursday night in West Hollyweird – just for the free food, gift bags, and starlet squeezing so, I’ll try to get a little more info on that.

divedude
10-19-05, 07:41 PM
Zechman where in the world are you maman .... nothing since 10/3/05.... If you be da post ho ... yo being out ho'd. Dwayne man may be on a holiday? Mini and we'uns be miss'en you.

Neo2005,
I guess great minds do think alike. Yesterday, Mini Dive and I were also wondering what happened to Zechman. I hope his curtain didn't fall on him :eek:

Penton-Man
10-19-05, 07:57 PM
Dang it brt,
I just went lurking over at the Pio 79avi thread and I see you're looking a buying one of those now!!!!!! :eek:
What the hell do you plan on doing with the 59avi that you JUST purchased ? :confused:

Penton-Man
10-19-05, 07:58 PM
Neo2005,
I guess great minds do think alike. Yesterday, Mini Dive and I were also wondering what happened to Zechman. I hope his curtain didn't fall on him :eek:
Make that 4 souls.
So was I.

brt3
10-19-05, 09:11 PM
...What the hell do you plan on doing with the 59avi that you JUST purchased ? :confused:Movin' it downstairs...
How do we do it? Volume, volume, volume!

brt3
10-19-05, 09:14 PM
...Mini Dive and I were also wondering what happened to Zechman. I hope his curtain didn't fall on him :eek:One hopes his highly customized window shades (aka: Qualia Shipping Box) did not come loose from their fixings, pinning him beneath their bulk...

brt3
10-19-05, 09:17 PM
Oh, on that Blu-ray note, I just heard that now the official debut of the Sony Blu-ray instead of being March 6, as I previously mentioned to all Qualians, is NOW March/Aprilish…because they want to try to coincide it with PlayStation stuff.Translation: actual, guaranteed product in wide distribution about June 1st. If my Bugz work out I may just pass on BluRay/HD-DVD v1.0, and wait for v2.0 (or higher)...

Penton-Man
10-19-05, 09:26 PM
Movin' it downstairs...
How do we do it? Volume, volume, volume!
P-M will PM you with a possible seller for the 79, after National News....as I try to stay well-rounded. :D

Unless of course you've already entered into a transaction on that new piece of equipment. :p

brt3
10-19-05, 09:33 PM
P-M will PM you with a possible seller for the 79, after National News....as I try to stay well-rounded. :D Unless of course you've already entered into a transaction on that new piece of equipment. :pThat would be MOST welcome; especially if I can find a source who actually realizes they're making a silver version...

Penton-Man
10-19-05, 10:09 PM
Referral is on the way......hope it's of some help. :)

Speaker1
10-19-05, 10:20 PM
Have had my Q for 7 months. Last two weeks have had problem of screen suddenly going dark ( sound continues) and power light starts single blinking. Happening repetitively at about 10 minute intervals. Have had 3 intermittent episodes. One going on now. I thought lamp was going. Now I think it may be power supply. Have about 1800 hrs on set. What do you electronics gurus think? Thanks.

Penton-Man
10-19-05, 10:31 PM
Intel, Microsoft back next-generation DVDs
Tech heavyweights throw weight behind format opposed by Sony, Dell


Complete article (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9501255/)
stewman,
I see your 2 red chips and raise you one big Blue chip ......
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26790

Penton-Man
10-19-05, 10:57 PM
Have had my Q for 7 months. Last two weeks have had problem of screen suddenly going dark ( sound continues) and power light starts single blinking. Happening repetitively at about 10 minute intervals. Have had 3 intermittent episodes. One going on now. I thought lamp was going. Now I think it may be power supply. Have about 1800 hrs on set. What do you electronics gurus think? Thanks.
Somebody else reported this problem awhile back, just be patient and I'll bet you get some input from others more familiar with this occurence.

Marco99
10-19-05, 11:42 PM
stewman,
I see your 2 red chips and raise you one big Blue chip ......
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26790

I think the fat lady has already sung. Microsoft and Intel were outmaneuvered by Sony, and it's all over except for the crying.

http://news.com.com/Forrester+Blu-ray+winning+drawn-out+format+war/2100-1041_3-5902753.html?

Blu-ray has got more studio support and Sony will probably throw Microsoft and/or Intel a bone by including some of their technologies and giving them a piece of the licensing action.

Speaker1
10-20-05, 12:30 AM
Somebody else reported this problem awhile back, just be patient and I'll bet you get some input from others more familiar with this occurence.
Thanks PM. I found the post. Glad you have that prodigious memory. I understand you're great at directions, too. :D

thesirjay
10-20-05, 10:40 AM
Just a quick thought on the Blu-ray DVD issue. I know I am planning on trying to make do with the DVD player inside the PS3 for awhile. I realize it is likely to be lower end than I am used to in terms of features but it should give me a taste of the new higher res apple without having to bleed on the cutting edge for a product that may very well have flaws (remember the early 480p's... ouch). I am hoping Sony will do it well enough in the PS3 to sell blu-ray as a platform and then I can snag a v2 when the quality/bugs/features are more favorable. Zech come back you are missed.... and remember if you are reading this trapped underneath something... cardboard is edible (if not palatable).

Penton-Man
10-20-05, 11:23 AM
umr....where are you?

In regards to my DVD player questionaire.....I see you just calibrated Patrick's set-up down in Houston who just happens to own the Panny S97.......

"No lie. UMR calibrated my Optoma H78DC3 a month or so ago. I only wish I calibrated it with my 59AVI instead of my S97. I may have to get him back up when I get my 79AVI. I'll be moving my 59 back down with the 56TXI & Pioneer 5050 Plasma in the Den. "

brt....Please note.........."I'll be moving my 59 back down with the 56TXI & Pioneer 5050 Plasma in the Den. "

What's up with all you guys and high-end DVD players?.......when you buy a new one....you all move the old one to a downstairs room? :confused:

How many downstairs rooms do you guys have anyway? :eek:

brt3
10-20-05, 12:07 PM
What's up with all you guys and high-end DVD players?.......when you buy a new one....you all move the old one to downstairs room? :confused:

How many downstairs rooms do you guys have anyway? :eek:D*mn, P-M -- what are you, some kinda Com-U-nest? We are simply trying to do our American Duty to support the US economy via prolific spending...
:rolleyes:
Kinda like the Big Guy in the Oval Office...
:D

umr
10-20-05, 12:13 PM
umr....where are you?...

Sugar Land :D

Patrick is in Dallas.

brt3
10-20-05, 12:14 PM
Zech come back you are missed.... and remember if you are reading this trapped underneath something... cardboard is edible (if not palatable).
Zechman, come home! (http://www.scoutbase.org.uk/ps/activities/uo/box2.gif)

manfredc
10-20-05, 12:24 PM
It's the lamp. Same thing happened to me after 6 month and 1850 hrs. Called Sony and they shipped a new lamp overnight.

mpsan
10-20-05, 12:32 PM
I think it is "Mini Dive speaks softly, but carries a big shtick". :D

Mini Dive speaks softly, but carries a big stick...

Speaker1
10-20-05, 12:53 PM
It's the lamp. Same thing happened to me after 6 month and 1850 hrs. Called Sony and they shipped a new lamp overnight.
Thanks. It helps to know what it is and isn't.

mpsan
10-20-05, 12:55 PM
PM
Will you look at that! Even someone with two posts knows about the Ho's. :D

Thanks PM. I found the post. Glad you have that prodigious memory. I understand you're great at directions, too. :D

brt3
10-20-05, 01:09 PM
PM -- Will you look at that! Even someone with two posts knows about the Ho's. :DHe's very friendly...

slocko
10-20-05, 01:18 PM
Here is another angle to consider:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/20/business/dvd.php

If this comes to pass, prices will drop fairly quickly.

I think the fat lady has already sung. Microsoft and Intel were outmaneuvered by Sony, and it's all over except for the crying.

http://news.com.com/Forrester+Blu-ray+winning+drawn-out+format+war/2100-1041_3-5902753.html?

Blu-ray has got more studio support and Sony will probably throw Microsoft and/or Intel a bone by including some of their technologies and giving them a piece of the licensing action.

mpsan
10-20-05, 01:22 PM
This is not true at all and is a blatent generalization. I moved my old dvd player upstairs, as the Q is downstairs! :D



umr....where are you?

In regards to my DVD player questionaire.....I see you just calibrated Patrick's set-up down in Houston who just happens to own the Panny S97.......

"No lie. UMR calibrated my Optoma H78DC3 a month or so ago. I only wish I calibrated it with my 59AVI instead of my S97. I may have to get him back up when I get my 79AVI. I'll be moving my 59 back down with the 56TXI & Pioneer 5050 Plasma in the Den. "

brt....Please note.........."I'll be moving my 59 back down with the 56TXI & Pioneer 5050 Plasma in the Den. "

What's up with all you guys and high-end DVD players?.......when you buy a new one....you all move the old one to downstairs room? :confused:

How many downstairs rooms do you guys have anyway? :eek:

JimP
10-20-05, 01:24 PM
Just a quick thought on the Blu-ray DVD issue. I know I am planning on trying to make do with the DVD player inside the PS3 for awhile. I realize it is likely to be lower end than I am used to in terms of features but it should give me a taste of the new higher res apple without having to bleed on the cutting edge for a product that may very well have flaws (remember the early 480p's... ouch). I am hoping Sony will do it well enough in the PS3 to sell blu-ray as a platform and then I can snag a v2 when the quality/bugs/features are more favorable. Zech come back you are missed.... and remember if you are reading this trapped underneath something... cardboard is edible (if not palatable).


That's actually a pretty good idea. I've not been a gamer, but have been thinking about it in the back of my mind as a way to get a taste of it along with a blue ray on the cheap. Then as you say, pick up a Blue Ray after a generation or two when they get the inevitable bugs worked out.

Marco99
10-20-05, 06:04 PM
Here is another angle to consider:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/20/business/dvd.php

If this comes to pass, prices will drop fairly quickly.

Yes, it could make the technology very quickly very pervasive in Asia. HOWEVER, you've got to remember where most of the legal content for DVD's (whatever format) is going to originate. Legal content is going to come from the US Studios and the US Studios are looking more favorably at the copy protection Sony is offering them.

The studios are really worried about extremely high quality copies floating around in the consumer marketplace. Sony also happens to be a studio, so they can talk the same language and have the same concerns as the other studios.

Sony has lost so many format wars. I don't think they are prepared to lose again and lose all that licensing revenue again. Ironically, I think the initial high cost of Blu-ray may also make the studios feel more comfortable with the HD format migration than thinking about millions of inexpensive HD-DVD devices coming out of Asia all of the sudden...but that's just my $0.02...

Penton-Man
10-20-05, 06:16 PM
:rolleyes:
Kinda like the Big Guy in the Oval Office...
:D
Aint that a fact.
Used to be they always b*tched that the Democrats did that sort of thing, and now I think the Big Guy has set all types of spending records in that regard.

Hey, nobody flame me....I'm an IN-de-PEN-dee-sta! :D

I'm votin for that woman on "Commander In Chief" when she's up for relection.

punkzip
10-20-05, 06:17 PM
For those who are using the Qualia with a computer, what resolution and refresh rate are you running at?

Penton-Man
10-20-05, 06:18 PM
Sugar Land :D

Patrick is in Dallas.
You know.......your killin me!

I think its another Artwood conspiracy against moi and my 006!

Penton-Man
10-20-05, 06:20 PM
PM
Will you look at that! Even someone with two posts knows about the Ho's. :D
Freakin absolutely unbelievable!

Next thing ya know, I'll see it on some billboard just off the freeway. :eek:

Penton-Man
10-20-05, 06:24 PM
Yes, it could make the technology very quickly very pervasive in Asia. HOWEVER, you've got to remember where most of the legal content for DVD's (whatever format) is going to originate. Legal content is going to come from the US Studios and the US Studios are looking more favorably at the copy protection Sony is offering them.

The studios are really worried about extremely high quality copies floating around in the consumer marketplace. Sony also happens to be a studio, so they can talk the same language and have the same concerns as the other studios.

Sony has lost so many format wars. I don't think they are prepared to lose again and lose all that licensing revenue again. Ironically, I think the initial high cost of Blu-ray may also make the studios feel more comfortable with the HD format migration than thinking about millions of inexpensive HD-DVD devices coming out of Asia all of the sudden...but that's just my $0.02...
That's a good 2 cents. :)
Sony's got much more invested in this venture than the other guys.

brt3
10-20-05, 08:22 PM
Freakin absolutely unbelievable! Next thing ya know, I'll see it on some billboard just off the freeway. :eek: If da 'hoes don't quit you must relent...
:D

mpsan
10-20-05, 08:40 PM
:D

That is also why there were only 49 women in the Miss America pagent!

To get back On Topic, I wonder how long it will be before Netflix will have HD format? It is a shame but we watch VERY little HD on the Q...mostly Normal DVD's from Netflix.

If da 'hoes don't quit you must relent...
:D

brt3
10-20-05, 08:44 PM
Next thing ya know, I'll see it on some billboard just off the freeway. :eek: You and Angelyne (sp?) side by side...

divedude
10-20-05, 09:17 PM
:D
I wonder how long it will be before Netflix will have HD format?


mpsan,

I hope they go with Blu-ray. I have been a long time Netflix subscriber (almost 6 years) and would love having Blu-ray HD DVD's delivered to my mailbox. :)

slocko
10-20-05, 09:23 PM
I don't know how many studios are backing HD-DVD, but if those supporting Blue-Ray see HD-DVD players and titles flying off the shelves due to affordable prices, they might change their tune.

Personally, I won't jump into the game until prices are under $500. Then maybe. I don't have the time to watch a lot of movies. My free time is spent watching HD network shows and whatever movies I can record from HBO-HD, Showtime-HD, and HDNET. Since I hardly go to the movies, there is always something to record. I don't even watch regular dvds anymore.

Marco99
10-20-05, 11:01 PM
That's a good 2 cents. :)
Sony's got much more invested in this venture than the other guys.

There's another piece out about HP putting pressure on Sony to adopt "mandatory managed copy" for PC users:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1873633,00.asp

There's some interactive content issues too, but everyone knows Intel and Microsoft's complaints relate to multimedia PC's and keeping there hardware and software involved in home theaters and the future of home entertainment.

I think this is really where this all breaks down. Between the copyright holders who own the content that consumers want to own, and the people who want to deliver it through whatever mechanism they think works in their own self interests. It's a mess!!! :(

Let's also remember cheap does not translate to US adoption or studios jumping on the bandwagon. Ever hear of VCD or SVCD? Sold a lot in China because it was inexpensive, but did you see much of it at Best Buy or Circuit City? ;)

Oh, and let's not forget the problem of different price thresholds in all of these countries for purchasing a movie. And HD DVD has suggested eliminating region codes:

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000873062235

mpsan
10-20-05, 11:04 PM
Me too, in fact I am still getting 4 at a time for the 3 at a time price!

mpsan,

I hope they go with Blu-ray. I have been a long time Netflix subscriber (almost 6 years) and would love having Blu-ray HD DVD's delivered to my mailbox. :)

mpsan
10-20-05, 11:06 PM
My problem with HD-HBO is that there are only a handfull of new movies on each month.

I don't know how many studios are backing HD-DVD, but if those supporting Blue-Ray see HD-DVD players and titles flying off the shelves due to affordable prices, they might change their tune.

Personally, I won't jump into the game until prices are under $500. Then maybe. I don't have the time to watch a lot of movies. My free time is spent watching HD network shows and whatever movies I can record from HBO-HD, Showtime-HD, and HDNET. Since I hardly go to the movies, there is always something to record. I don't even watch regular dvds anymore.

Penton-Man
10-20-05, 11:25 PM
Personally, I won't jump into the game until prices are under $500. Then maybe.
Well,
From whats I hear, there may be a couple or three? versions of the Sony Blu-ray available to the public, with the ELITE :D version running around 1K and more economical versions with less features priced lower.

So, you may be seeing BLUE (without Viagra) sooner than yous thinks. :)

slocko
10-20-05, 11:29 PM
Of course all Qualians who by their very nature are Elitists, have to buy the Elite version no? :D

Zechman
10-21-05, 09:04 AM
Sorry, guys, work has been really really busy these last couple of weeks, what with me having to do other peoples' jobs for them in addition to my own. (THAT is a whole other story.) Ever heard the phrase "being a victim of your own success"?

Hopefully, those responsible will soon be sacked. Also, those responsible for the sacking of those responsible for brt3's naughtiness, have been sacked.

Also, Mrs. Zechman and I just celebrated our 5-year anniversary, so we were away on vacation for a while (but didn't see any moose). ;)

But fear not. Your Humble Historian is ever on the case, always watching, reading, learning. Even when he's not commenting.

--

A friend of mine (y'all would know him as drhollen (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/member.php?u=7462744) here on AVS) replaced his 56" 955XS with a 60" SXRD GW this weekend. Ironically, the original set was purchased on a 18-month-no-interest-no-payments plan and so he literally had not expended ANY Penton-paper on the XS set. I had the honor of helping him move it into the house and set it up.

So here's the definitive biggest difference between the Qualia 006 and the KDS-R60XBR1: The 60" set is much easier to lift! (Sony, my back thanks you.) :)

Thankfully, his living room does not require any creative light control like mine did. ;)

I found the picture very comparable to the 006. He, coming from an LCD set, initially thought it was darker, but in reality just wasn't used to seeing so much contrast. Next time I visit, I'm going to bring along my Avia DVD and put it through its (admittedly amateur) paces. I expect it will do very well.

And the big 1080p experiment has had two setbacks, so that's another reason you haven't heard from me in a while. First I ordered a new large hard drive for it, and it arrived DOA and had to be replaced. Second, I ordered a FireWire HD enclosure for the Mac Mini and learned the hard way that the 400Mbps bandwidth isn't quite enough to move the data from the HD to the Mac and then from the Mac to the Qualia at the same time on the same bus. So a USB 2.0 enclosure is now on the way.

--Dwayne

Zechman
10-21-05, 11:37 AM
Next thing ya know, I'll see it on some billboard just off the freeway. :eek:
Not likely. Nationwide billboard advertising was WAY too expensive, so I had to settle for only putting them up here on the east coast. :p

--Dwayne

jb007
10-21-05, 11:39 AM
Welcome back, not that you ever really left. I figured your absence had something to do with Mrs. Zechman ;)

Zechman
10-21-05, 11:49 AM
Ironically, the "curtain" did, in fact, fall down (first time that's happened) between my last post and today.

So naturally, I had quite a good laugh at the speculation about why I hadn't posted in a while . . . .

--Dwayne

divedude
10-21-05, 12:08 PM
Ironically, the "curtain" did, in fact, fall down (first time that's happened) between my last post and today.

So naturally, I had quite a good laugh at the speculation about why I hadn't posted in a while . . . .

--Dwayne


Zechman,
Glad it didn't fall on Mrs. Zechman or you :D Good to hear from you again ;)

Neo2005
10-21-05, 01:16 PM
welcome back Dwayne ..... now where were you REALLY?

Marco99
10-21-05, 02:10 PM
Don't know how many people care, but I thought I'd throw it out here because Qualia owners have got the best display for viewing good source material.

All Superbit titles are $9.99 at Best Buy. A lot of them are still available through the Best Buy web site.

If you aren't sure what's in the Superbit catalog, head on over here:

http://www.sonypictures.com/cthe/superbit/catalog.html

They are ALL $9.99 including Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, The Fifth Element, even the one that has both Charlie's Angels and Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle.

The Superbit titles in the stores should also be marked $9.99. If they aren't marked $9.99 they should still ring up as $9.99. Oddly enough, I picked up 9 titles @ $9.99. :)

Neo2005
10-21-05, 02:31 PM
How much better PQ in a Superbit DVD?

Marco99
10-21-05, 02:55 PM
How much better PQ in a Superbit DVD?

You should probably read a review of any particular Superbit title you're interested in because not all digital transfers are created equal.

However, DVD is all about compression and the Superbit has more space dedicated to a higher video bitrate. There are usually no extras found on a Superbit title but they often include DTS soundtracks. The standard DVD often has a video bitrate of 4-5+ Megabits per second (Mbps) while the Superbits often have 6-7+ Mbps. With a good digital transfer, you should be able to discern that level of difference in the video.

Anyway, a lot of people use the Superbit version of The Fifth Element as a reference disk... :D

Penton-Man
10-21-05, 06:15 PM
Also, Mrs. Zechman and I just celebrated our 5-year anniversary, so we were away on vacation for a while (but didn't see any moose). ;)
Dwayne
You mean you didn't take the opportunity to be the FIRST Qualian to post on this thread while on vacation in mooooooooooose country ?

For shame. Seems to me you did a long distance post from deer country. So whats with that, you find moose more entertaining than deer ??????????

OR.......... was it that 5 year anni- thing. :o
Nothing much new....
-brt is still awaiting the Mosquito
-everyone here is too rich for my blood
-umr won't give me a commitment on a component.... I guess?.... for fear of physical reprisal
-I threw out a few Blu-ray updates concerning the REVISED debut :eek: and the good possibility of a couple/several? models in different price ranges- which I doubt has been posted on any thread in this forum as not many Sony people are even aware of such minutia
-people like punkzip have been asking computer questions to us that only Zechman could answer
-various other video, power, bulb, DVD rental, HBO HD subscription musings

-and.............NEW Qualians are teasing me ABOUT DIRECTIONS !!!!!

Welcome back !!!!! :)

Penton-Man
10-21-05, 06:19 PM
Welcome back, not that you ever really left. I figured your absence had something to do with Mrs. Zechman ;)
Well its nice to see you popped in to say Hi too ? :)

Tell me, San Diego lost another mayor and you're heavily involved in runnin for the new open position ?????? :D

Penton-Man
10-21-05, 06:22 PM
Of course all Qualians who by their very nature are Elitists, have to buy the Elite version no? :D
Very astute !
It be a prerequisite (and the bean counters have probably already factored that into their quarterly reports to Sir Howard)

hifi59
10-21-05, 06:24 PM
Another great review of the new sxrd in november S&V mag. this time it's the 50".

Pluses include... excellent hd picture quality, rich natural color,excellent black rendition and shadow detail, wide selection of picture adjustments, custom picture mem for each input.

Negatives.... no ant signal strength meter, no support for 1080p hd signals.

their bottom line...gorgeous picture, deep crt-like blacks, should shake up things in HDTV land. Yawn.......

Penton-Man
10-21-05, 07:10 PM
P.S. to post # 7975 (the moderately long one above)

-we all ran out of cardboard jokes
and
-Artwood appears to have taken one week ? sabbatical from the 006 owner’s thread to present at an advanced course at the C.I.A.*

*C.I.A. = Conspiracy Institute of America

Did I say Welcome Back ?

divedude
10-21-05, 08:33 PM
Mini Dive would like to introduce his girl friend, Mini Diva. He says the 006 is a real chick magnet. :cool:

Zechman
10-21-05, 10:42 PM
Since brt3 is probably the only one to "get" the moose reference . . .

. . . it, and the bit about people getting sacked, is a Monty Python reference. It's a recurring joke embedded in the opening credits of Monty Python and the Holy Grail, one of the greatest movies of all time.

--Dwayne

Zechman
10-21-05, 10:46 PM
Negatives.... no support for 1080p hd signals.
I'll be the judge of that! :cool:

Gimme a couple of weeks to take my Mac down to drhollen's place, and we'll know the real truth.

--Dwayne
(Official Champion of 1080P on the Qualia 006)

brt3
10-21-05, 11:40 PM
Since brt3 is probably the only one to "get" the moose reference . . .
A mřřse once bit my sister...

Ralph The Wonder Llama

Penton-Man
10-22-05, 12:25 AM
Mini Dive would like to introduce his girl friend, Mini Diva. He says the 006 is a real chick magnet. :cool:
Ya know….they say that the longer people are together…..the more and more they appear to look similar to each other………

Me thinks that MiniDive and MiniDiva have been together alot longer than you’ve realized…..as you’ve been too busy to notice he’s kept her hidden in his vintage ScubaPro dive bag. :)

Penton-Man
10-22-05, 12:28 AM
a Monty Python reference. It's a recurring joke embedded in the opening credits of Monty Python and the Holy Grail, one of the greatest movies of all time.
--Dwayne
You should’ve been there when it was first shown in dem movie Thee-A-ters that we all used to go to…….OR were you? :eek:

Audience participation was as good as the movie itself. :cool:

Neo2005
10-22-05, 12:58 AM
DD ...and to my old eyes they appear to be anotomically correct.

brt3
10-22-05, 01:08 AM
You should’ve been there when it was first shown in dem movie Thee-A-ters that we all used to go to...This summer I took my 11 year-old daughter -- who I've thoroughly warped (her favorite B'way show is "Spamalot") -- to the 30th anniversary screening of "Grail". Kid even has "killer rabbit" slippers (sadly, I'm not kidding)...

brt3
10-22-05, 01:09 AM
DD ...and to my old eyes they appear to be anotomically correct.Plain, or peanut?

divedude
10-22-05, 01:27 PM
Ya know….they say that the longer people are together…..the more and more they appear to look similar to each other………

Me thinks that MiniDive and MiniDiva have been together alot longer than you’ve realized…..as you’ve been too busy to notice he’s kept her hidden in his vintage ScubaPro dive bag. :)

PM,

Yes, I think you are correct. I've been wondering why that dive bag has been bouncing ;)

divedude
10-22-05, 01:40 PM
Plain, or peanut?


brt3,
They are both of the peanut variety, but they came out of different chocolate dip vats, so it is OK for them to date :)

divedude
10-22-05, 01:43 PM
DD ...and to my old eyes they appear to be anotomically correct.

Neo2005,
Mini Dive says she is 100% anatomically correct :D :D

thestewman
10-22-05, 04:20 PM
Second, I ordered a FireWire HD enclosure for the Mac Mini and learned the hard way that the 400Mbps bandwidth isn't quite enough to move the data from the HD to the Mac and then from the Mac to the Qualia at the same time on the same bus. So a USB 2.0 enclosure is now on the way.

--Dwayne

Dwayne
Are you referring to a housing for your new harddrive when you say
a Firewire HD enclosure and a USB 2.0 enclosure ?

Stew

Penton-Man
10-22-05, 04:27 PM
brt,
When exactly are you scheduled for knee surgery?
The Algo Squeeter bug is supposed to ship out next week.

thestewman
10-22-05, 06:34 PM
A bit OT but relevant to the elitist group of 006 users with Comcast.

I recently added Comcast cable and a dual tuner Motorola 6412 Phase III DVR to my Qualia 006, HD/Cband, OTA and D-VHS setup.

If you have Comcast cable and a Motorola DCT 6412 dual tuner DVR, I would be interested to know your settings and cable hookup and what most elitist's are using.

With the 6412 have you found a difference using the component, HDMI or Firewire outputs to the Qualia 006 ?

For the HD output of the 6412 is your DVR set at 1080i to the 006 ?
I found connecting the cable line direct to the 006 without any unit in line which passes the local station HD signals, the 006 indicated 1080i was being input.
So, I set mine at 1080i and I don't see any difference between OTA, Cband or Comcast cable comparing the same channels.

For the 6412 4:3 setting are you using 480i.480p, Stretch or OFF ?
I found OFF gave me a better non-HD picture.

Stew

brt3
10-23-05, 12:31 AM
brt -- When exactly are you scheduled for knee surgery? The Algo Squeeter bug is supposed to ship out next week.November 1st; all I can say is I'm glad I'm not in my Doc's position; if I had to operate on anyone at 8 AM the death rate in area hospitals might increase exponentially (especially since I'm not even a licensed physician)...

Hoping the silver Bug arrives before Halloween; won't be able to wire the d*mn thing for awhile afterwards...

Since we're on the topic of health -- GOOD LUCK to DiveDude; hope that last chemo goes well, my friend!

slocko
10-23-05, 11:09 AM
How many of you Qualians are expecting X-mas cards from Sony this year ;)

divedude
10-23-05, 11:21 AM
[QUOTE=Penton-Man]brt -- When exactly are you scheduled for knee surgery? The Algo Squeeter bug is supposed to ship out next week.[/QUOTENovember 1st; all I can say is I'm glad I'm not in my Doc's position; if I had to operate on anyone at 8 AM the death rate in area hospitals might increase exponentially (especially since I'm not even a licensed physician)...

Hoping the silver Bug arrives before Halloween; won't be able to wire the d*mn thing for awhile afterwards...

Since we're on the topic of health -- GOOD LUCK to DiveDude; hope that last chemo goes well, my friend!

brt3,
I don't think the cancer stands a chance with you and all my friends on this forum pulling for me. On 11/1, the Mini's and I will be thinking of you and praying for success :)

brt3
10-23-05, 06:36 PM
[QUOTE=brt3]...the Mini's and I will be thinking of you and praying for success :)Thanks, DD! I'll have to keep Mini-Dive's evil twin away from my knees during my recovery...

divedude
10-23-05, 09:23 PM
[QUOTE=divedude]Thanks, DD! I'll have to keep Mini-Dive's evil twin away from my knees during my recovery...

brt3,
I bet Elmo can keep the evil twin occupied, unless he's busy hooking up cables to the BUG ;)

brt3
10-23-05, 09:26 PM
[QUOTE=brt3]brt3 -- I bet Elmo can keep the evil twin occupied, unless he's busy hooking up cables to the BUG ;) Guess the Evil Twin (ET) might just melt in his mouth, not in his paws...

brt3
10-24-05, 01:18 PM
How many of you Qualians are expecting X-mas cards from Sony this year ;)If Howard Stringer doesn't send me personal Christmas greetings, my elitist feelings will be TERRIBLY wounded...
;)

brt3
10-24-05, 01:20 PM
OMG -- it's post #666 for me!
:eek:

divedude
10-24-05, 07:44 PM
OMG -- it's post #666 for me!
:eek:


brt3,

Scarry, I would venture to say the Evil Twin had something to do with that :eek:

And we are getting close to that devilish time of year . . .

Zechman
10-25-05, 09:45 AM
Dwayne
Are you referring to a housing for your new harddrive when you say
a Firewire HD enclosure and a USB 2.0 enclosure ?
Yes. I had a 200GB hard drive already on hand to put in it (them?).

An update: Even with the USB connection, the playback pauses at times. I'm now suspicious of the hard drive itself, and will have to try another one. I also tried recording to DVHS from the Mac and the results were not pretty. :(

Still working on it . . . .

--Dwayne