Hopefully P-M will be able to shed some light on the Blu-Ray 1080 output issue.

Also, interesting the Blu-Ray player is black in color, not matching the SXRD line.

By The Way Ray, hey! that rhymes! Is that your happy look! :DThat is, believe it or not, my happy face... ;) Although, if the current sunny weather ensues, I may have to cut loose with my "truckful of bananas" grin... :cool:

Very nice design. I might buy one just to display it :)

Some info on the Sony BDP-S1 Blu-Ray Player (http://gadgets.fosfor.se/sony-bdp-s1-blu-ray-home-player/#more-945)

I think it means "works with Qualia 004 and Ruby SXRD displays now, might work with Qualia 006 down the road, and works with the new Bravia XBR LCD (46", I think) that was recently announced... [EDIT & DISCLAIMER: then again, I've not really kept up with the exact 1080P frame rates that the SXRD FP units are happy with, but I bet Dwayne or P-M will confirm or deny my suspicions...]


I would expect the player to put out both 1080i and 1080p, just like the 480i / 480p players do. They are not going to limit their sales to only 1080p capable TV's. The Blu-ray players I have seen since last March have worked beautifully with the 006.

anyone here planning to upgrade there dvd collections? or is the plan to only buy new titles in the new format?

i for one, will buy very few titles. will wait until netflix or blockbuster begins renting them out to try out the new format. i have a box full of 600 dvds that i only watched once and will never watch again for the most part. i am afraid i have no business collecting dvds.

slocko,
I plan to be selective on what I buy. I also hope Netflix or Blockbuster rents them, since I typically only watch a movie once. However, I do plan to purchase the Blu-ray version of "Into the Blue" as soon as possible :D

I would expect the player to put out both 1080i and 1080p, just like the 480i / 480p players do. They are not going to limit their sales to only 1080p capable TV's. The Blu-ray players I have seen since last March have worked beautifully with the 006.

Agreed. They want to sell as many Blu-Ray players as possible. The universe is already small enough when it's comprised of early adopters, and those with HDTV's. Why in the world would Sony then limit the player to those with HDTV's that can accept 1080p input?

Plus, remember, there has been rampant speculation that the Q006 may, in fact, accept 1080p from a Blu-Ray player -- via iLink firewire :)

Everyone,

I was notified of the results of my PET scan and it is clean. I am officially in remission and no surgery :D :D :D Ya'll and the 006 have been a big part of my coming through this - Thank You !

This makes three major things in 5 years. Cancer, triple bypass 2 years ago and a brown recluse bite on the neck, just below my ear, almost 5 years ago. My personal physician thinks I am trying to get my medical degree the hard way, by learning from personal experience :eek:

Conratulations divedude! That is excellent news and a great way to start off 006, while watching your 006 :)

And if I recall correctly, the only people that know that Jack is really alive and kicking is Ex-President Palmer, Michelle, Tony and Chloe.

Buchanan(I think that was his name) – Jack’s boss at CTU is unaware that Jack *survived* the shooting.

Is that correct? ……..24 fans?


PM,
I just re-watched the last episode and those are the folks in the know :cool:

Great news DD! What a way to start a new year! :D

What a great game on the Q-vision - Hook 'Em Horns :D
Just goes to show …..Don’t Mess With Texas ! :eek:

Thank goodness I’m not a USC alumnus.

I wish the BCS would provide us with a #1 vs. #2 game like that every year !

I am wondering something.

If a b-ray player is going to cost more than $1000, how much of a bath is Sony going to take on the Playstation? Obviously they are not going to sell the PS for $1000 or higher, they have to be competitive with the $300-$400 price of the Xbox.

I think Sony is going to take a REAL bath just to get consumers on board but, in the end it will prove to be a wise business decision.

Everyone, I was notified of the results of my PET scan and it is clean. I am officially in remission and no surgery :D :D :D Ya'll and the 006 have been a big part of my coming through this - Thank You !That's great news! May you never darken the door of a hospital again, my friend...
:)

Great game. I had the pleasure of watching it at a stripjoint with lovely company at my side. Best damn game I ever had the pleasure of watching. Only problem was I kept getting distracting and missing key plays :D
Will you people please read the above post carefully and stop bugging me about directions !

Just gotta say, I'm extremely gratified hearing people refer to the new technology as bray or B-ray, given that my actual, unaltered, original name is "B. Ray". D*mn, I knew I should have copyrighted it... :D
You know I always thought of you as a good ole boy from the South named something like Billy Ray Thompson that used to race dem NASCAR type vehicles around a dirt track somewhere in the boones. :)

Hopefully P-M will be able to shed some light on the Blu-Ray 1080 output issue.

Well the prototypes were all 1080i and there aint that many displays out there that will truly accept 1080p......so I suspect it will output both interlaced and progressive, but even if the engineers screwed up, we should still be able to run 1080p in thru i.LINK, according to Z-man.

Truth be told, now that we are at the HD level, even the crappiest HD player (Bray or HD-DVD) is going to look spectacular compared to todays standard dvd players.

LOL....LOL..........
Tell that to the folks on the Pio 79avi thread that just recently forked over close to 1K for their brand spankin new standard DVD players and wear a flame-suit while you're at it. :eek:

You know I always thought of you as a good ole boy from the South named something like Billy Ray Thompson that used to race dem NASCAR type vehicles around a dirt track somewhere in the boones. :)Though I originally hail from Tennessee, I'm currently ape about Formula One...
:rolleyes:
And, interestingly (or not), no one believes me when I tell them the "B." don't stand for nothing. If it ever did my Grandfather (I'm a third, thus "brt3") took it to his grave. So, like you, most people assume it's a good ole name like "Billy Ray"...
:eek:

I think it means "works with Qualia 004 and Ruby SXRD displays now, might work with Qualia 006 down the road
It just p*sses me off because they continue to be coy.

Everyone,

I was notified of the results of my PET scan and it is clean. I am officially in remission and no surgery :D :D :D Ya'll and the 006 have been a big part of my coming through this - Thank You !

THAT'S the best da*n news on this whole thread !

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEcause the bx. simply gave the pathology of the superficial tissues whereas the PET looked at EVERYTHING.

Now, you can truly do a moon walk on air with MiniDive and MiniDiva, me thinks you just dodged a bullet because many people with your dx. present when the horse has already left the barn.

GREAT NEWS !

It just p*sses me off because they continue to be coy.While coyness is a desireable trait in a direction-giver, it is infuriating when it comes to technology and the delicate interaction of our expensive toys. Wonder which of these two hobbies is more expensive? Depends on the Franc/Dollar rate of exchange relative to that of the Yen/Dollar, I guess...
:D

Hi new to thread have my 006 2 months and thought I would share my first bad experience.
The first day of the new year was watching tv and heard like a gunshot and alas no picture but had sound I surmised that the bulb went out really disappointing for my first 60 days. I called sony 1-2-2006 they sent a new bulb as promised . We checked the hours 391. I am pleading my case with sony to waive the 1 bulb in 3 year policy and will let this thread know how I make out, but here is the interesting part. I believe I found the reason for the premature failure. After replacing the bulb and inspecting the old one I noticed alot of dust/debris covering the lower screen (air Inlet) almost like dryer lint and believe this caused the bulb to overheat and explode. I will be checking this after 30 days of use and cleaning this debris out.

Well it appears that the video game players will probably have cheap access to both formats. Microsoft jumped in by saying they will have a hd-dvd addon for the 360 this year. Talk about Microsoft versus Sony but at least I can watch anything I want as long as I have both systems (and the 360 addon).

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/05/xbox_360_to_get_external_hddvd/


That should significantly raise the price of the XBox 360 so the PS will be more competitive.

Hi new to thread have my 006 2 months and thought I would share my first bad experience.
The first day of the new year was watching tv and heard like a gunshot and alas no picture but had sound I surmised that the bulb went out really disappointing for my first 60 days. I called sony 1-2-2006 they sent a new bulb as promised . We checked the hours 391. I am pleading my case with sony to waive the 1 bulb in 3 year policy and will let this thread know how I make out, but here is the interesting part. I believe I found the reason for the premature failure. After replacing the bulb and inspecting the old one I noticed alot of dust/debris covering the lower screen (air Inlet) almost like dryer lint and believe this caused the bulb to overheat and explode. I will be checking this after 30 days of use and cleaning this debris out.

First of all, sorry to hear about this experience, someone did mention that while replacing their bulb, they did notice some dust inside and was wondering if he should clean it. Never heard about it since (about 3 to 4 weeks ago). I am planning to replace my bulb in about 3 weeks (Superbowl) and will look inside for dust or lint, if I do find some, I will clean it, maybe use my mini vac. Hope that Sony will waive that bulb for you!

THAT'S the best da*n news on this whole thread !

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEcause the bx. simply gave the pathology of the superficial tissues whereas the PET looked at EVERYTHING.

Now, you can truly do a moon walk on air with MiniDive and MiniDiva, me thinks you just dodged a bullet because many people with your dx. present when the horse has already left the barn.

GREAT NEWS !


PM,
If it wasn't for the blood tests I get done 3 or 4 times a year, my Doc. would not have found I was anemic. That started us on the path to find out why. I know you will agree, it is important to get checkups and have the proper tests. It saved my life and gave me many extra years of watching the 006 :D

The Mini's and myself are starting to talk about the next dive trip, so we can do the moon walk underwater :cool:

Just watched "The Cave" on the 006. The underwater cave scenes and high tech diving equipment made the movie for me. The story line and acting - so so, but not bad. The special feature, "Into The Cave", was very interesting showing the real cave divers that filmed the movie and a good introduction into what cave diving is. And how really dangerous it is.

The underwater scenes were made in HD and merged with the film. So when Sony releases this in Blu-ray it should be a real looker.

I am planning to replace my bulb in about 3 weeks (Superbowl) and will look inside for dust or lint, if I do find some, I will clean it, maybe use my mini vac. Hope that Sony will waive that bulb for you!

kaduku,
The manual does say to vacuum the cavity out. I got Mini Diva to sweep mine out, she says you can't beat a good mini vac . . .

kaduku,
The manual does say to vacuum the cavity out. I got Mini Diva to sweep mine out, she says you can't beat a good mini vac . . .

Good thing you have someone like Mini Dive to do those things for you! Just shows that I don't read manuals :D

Ack the Qualia has cavities we are supposed to search? Hmm how is a Qualian like the TSA? I guess I might have to do a bit of reading - any other maintenance that we are supposed to be doing?

To be clear, what I was alluding to when I noticed the bit in the article about the Sony B-Ray player was that there was an SXRD display out there capable of accepting 1080p, not whether the player would in fact output 1080p...that seems to be clearly stated in the article. However, I presumed their reference to SXRD wasn't to the super elite 004, but to the mainstream 50/60 GW SXRD or some upcoming model. Is there a Bravia model that accepts 1080p, I wasn't aware of this.

To be clear, what I was alluding to when I noticed the bit in the article about the Sony B-Ray player was that there was an SXRD display out there capable of accepting 1080p, not whether the player would in fact output 1080p... Is there a Bravia model that accepts 1080p, I wasn't aware of this.I could've sworn there was a recent (as in CES) announcement regarding a new Bravia/XBR 46", and that they were calling it "1080P" compatible. As we are all learning, there is 1080P and then there's 1080P and then there's 1080P -- and the manufacturers aren't doing much to clear the air regarding the specifics and compatibility between prodcucts. Didn't we go through this before with HDTV and it's 18 different variants??? :rolleyes:

Ack the Qualia has cavities we are supposed to search? Hmm how is a Qualian like the TSA?I was tempted to go there, but instead opted for a tacky revisitation of men lost in foreign lands... :D

One of these days we'll all have to all agree to just leave poor old Penton-Man alone... ;)

Oops! -- did I say old? :eek:

Hey Dive -- where did you see the reference to cavity-cleaning? Is that in the regular owner's manual under "Bulb Replacement"? I'll look in the Service Manual and see if there's any reference there...

"Sony's Bravia flat-panel televisions were apparently a hit over the 2005 end-of-year buying season, and now Sony is upping the ante with a new 46-inch version supporting 1080p HDTV."

This is all I could find online; I can't find anything from Sony with actual hard specifications...

Let me start by saying that I love my Qualia.

Only one thing spoils the experience for me...false contouring. I'm surprised that there isn't more talk about it in this forum. I've tested other Qualia's so I know it's not specific to mine. A great HD signal looks fantastic. Sometimes a little posterization will slip into a low light shot, but if there isn't major compression going on it's good. DVD's are another story. I have somewhere around 1400 titles in my collection and so many are a disappointment. For those of you who have access to the DVD "Constantine", here is an example. You should view this in a darkened room.

Chapter 4 2:49
Chapter 4 3:05

The first shot is a girl on a rooftop at night. As she runs toward the
edge, the sky is full of noise. This is generally what I see in a lot of
"dark" films. In the second shot, the sky behind her has severe
banding. The overall look in low lighting is a posterized look.

"Batman Begins" is a DVD that received a great review in "Widescreen Review" A lot of the contrast was riddled with noise and picture flaws tend to take you out of a movie.

Here is the rest of my equipment list:

Hughes HR10-250 DirectTivo HD
Dish Network 921 HD PVR
Pioneer 79AVI
Denon 5805
Algolith HDMI Mosquito

The Mosquito does a great job on noise and picture aberrations, and I'm very pleased with the results but this looks like what happens when you try to squeeze 16 bits of info into 8.

I have tried a few other DVD players in component, and every combination involving the Denon or directly to the Qualia. No luck.

Also, I had the Qualia professionally ISF calibrated.

Over Christmas I installed a 42 inch Panasonic Plasma for my mother-in-law. I tried out Constantine as a test. The night sky was smooth and free of any banding.

Yes I know it's not 70" and it doesn't have the spectacular resolution a color range that the Qualia has....but it still ticked me off.

Thoughts? Comments? Personal stories?

Thanks,
VFX

Let me start by saying that I love my Qualia.

Only one thing spoils the experience for me...false contouring. I'm surprised that there isn't more talk about it in this forum. I've tested other Qualia's so I know it's not specific to mine. A great HD signal looks fantastic. Sometimes a little posterization will slip into a low light shot, but if there isn't major compression going on it's good. DVD's are another story. I have somewhere around 1400 titles in my collection and so many are a disappointment. For those of you who have access to the DVD "Constantine", here is an example. You should view this in a darkened room.

Chapter 4 2:49
Chapter 4 3:05

The first shot is a girl on a rooftop at night. As she runs toward the
edge, the sky is full of noise. This is generally what I see in a lot of
"dark" films. In the second shot, the sky behind her has severe
banding. The overall look in low lighting is a posterized look.

"Batman Begins" is a DVD that received a great review in "Widescreen Review" A lot of the contrast was riddled with noise and picture flaws tend to take you out of a movie.

Here is the rest of my equipment list:

Hughes HR10-250 DirectTivo HD
Dish Network 921 HD PVR
Pioneer 79AVI
Denon 5805
Algolith HDMI Mosquito

The Mosquito does a great job on noise and picture aberrations, and I'm very pleased with the results but this looks like what happens when you try to squeeze 16 bits of info into 8.

I have tried a few other DVD players in component, and every combination involving the Denon or directly to the Qualia. No luck.

Also, I had the Qualia professionally ISF calibrated.

Over Christmas I installed a 42 inch Panasonic Plasma for my mother-in-law. I tried out Constantine as a test. The night sky was smooth and free of any banding.

Yes I know it's not 70" and it doesn't have the spectacular resolution a color range that the Qualia has....but it still ticked me off.

Thoughts? Comments? Personal stories?

Thanks,
VFX

I personally only remember encountering any significant false contouring when watching U-571 on an HD broadcast. I have the Constantine DVD and will try to pop it in this weekend ( I have a Denon 3910, not the 79AVI and I use the DVI/HDMI connection). Most of the picture noise I've encountered and/or blocking artifacts I've mainly attributed to the transfer...this is one area that the HD DVDs should excel in given the deblocking filter processing specified in the AVC standard. Also, as you stated already, this is a 70" screen so imperfections are magnified.

One of these days we'll all have to all agree to just leave poor old Penton-Man alone... ;)

Yeah, RIGHT, when pigs fly !

I see someone else with good taste lives in Novato……
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adjacent to the d of Hond below...........

http://cgi.xxxx.com/ebaymotors/Hond


How far exactly are you from San Francisco ???

That is one fine restoration job !

Unfortunately the transfer can't be blamed. I owned a Toshiba 65" CRT rearpro before the Qualia. I watched HD and my DVD collection on it for a few years and never had a problem. One of the first DVD's I watched on the Qualia was "Moulin Rouge" ( the HD version had great reviews and it looked fine on my CRT ) The shadowy areas of the film were full of noise and posterization. At first I thought maybe there was a fault in my set, but I visited a dealer and his displays were the same. A friend of mine purchased a display at the same time I did and his is the same. The difference for him is that it's his first large screen and he's less critical.

The dealer said that false contouring is a fixed pixel display problem in general. I just think it's curious that it's not really mentioned in the reviews I read.

I personally only remember encountering any significant false contouring when watching U-571 on an HD broadcast. I have the Constantine DVD and will try to pop it in this weekend ( I have a Denon 3910, not the 79AVI and I use the DVI/HDMI connection). Most of the picture noise I've encountered and/or blocking artifacts I've mainly attributed to the transfer...this is one area that the HD DVDs should excel in given the deblocking filter processing specified in the AVC standard. Also, as you stated already, this is a 70" screen so imperfections are magnified.

I also attribute these to how good is the transfer is on DVD, so far I have seen only select DVDs out there that do a great job at this, so I am not surprise that most of his collection of DVDs didn't look that great. Definitely the newer DVDs now are nice because they are being mastered in high definition. And yes, the bigger screen does make a difference in seeing crap. DVD players may be factor also, not that I am saying the 79avi is crap. It is probably my second choice next to the Denon 3910 :D

I see someone else with good taste lives in Novato……

http://cgi.xxxx.com/ebaymotors/Hond

How far exactly are you from San Francisco??? That is one fine restoration job !THAT is one sweet bike, and was my dream bike when I was but a pup...

I'm about 30 minutes north of the Golden Gate Bridge, BTW. If any Qualians are coming to MacWorld Expo (Dwayne??? ;) ) let me know...

Unfortunately the transfer can't be blamed. I owned a Toshiba 65" CRT rearpro before the Qualia. I watched HD and my DVD collection on it for a few years and never had a problem. One of the first DVD's I watched on the Qualia was "Moulin Rouge" ( the HD version had great reviews and it looked fine on my CRT ) The shadowy areas of the film were full of noise and posterization. At first I thought maybe there was a fault in my set, but I visited a dealer and his displays were the same. A friend of mine purchased a display at the same time I did and his is the same. The difference for him is that it's his first large screen and he's less critical.

The dealer said that false contouring is a fixed pixel display problem in general. I just think it's curious that it's not really mentioned in the reviews I read.Not positive I understand; when you say "his is the same" are you saying that all these displays demonstrated noise and posterization with the DVD, or that it only appeared on the Qualia? Just curious; I'm not familar with "Moulin Rouge" on DVD, as I have the DVHS version (which is spectacular).

It occurs to me that IF the Qualia is demonstrating a problem here that it could be somewhat dependent on your settings. Check my webpage -- or the first page of this thread -- and reference the settings that are commonly being used. Just a thought...

Unfortunately the transfer can't be blamed. I owned a Toshiba 65" CRT rearpro before the Qualia. I watched HD and my DVD collection on it for a few years and never had a problem. One of the first DVD's I watched on the Qualia was "Moulin Rouge" ( the HD version had great reviews and it looked fine on my CRT ) The shadowy areas of the film were full of noise and posterization. At first I thought maybe there was a fault in my set, but I visited a dealer and his displays were the same. A friend of mine purchased a display at the same time I did and his is the same. The difference for him is that it's his first large screen and he's less critical.

The dealer said that false contouring is a fixed pixel display problem in general. I just think it's curious that it's not really mentioned in the reviews I read.

Interesting, maybe UMR can shed some light on this!

THAT is one sweet bike, and was my dream bike when I was but a pup...

I'm about 30 minutes north of the Golden Gate Bridge, BTW. If any Qualians are coming to MacWorld Expo (Dwayne??? ;) ) let me know...

I am trying to find some time to go, will let you know.

By the way Ray, Microsoft Vista is looking pretty good. Apple is going to have to do a follow up to keep their people from switching back :D

Not positive I understand; when you say "his is the same" are you saying that all these displays demonstrated noise and posterization with the DVD, or that it only appeared on the Qualia? Just curious; I'm not familar with "Moulin Rouge" on DVD, as I have the DVHS version (which is spectacular).

It occurs to me that IF the Qualia is demonstrating a problem here that it could be somewhat dependent on your settings. Check my webpage -- or the first page of this thread -- and reference the settings that are commonly being used. Just a thought...

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Yes, all of the displays demonstrate this issue. I'd heard that the DVHS version of Moulin Rouge looked spectacular, which is why I pulled out my primitive old DVD :)
I was disappointed that it didn't hold up. As for my settings, I used your webpage as the "bible" when i first got my Qualia. I've tried all of the settings there and then had my set ISF calibrated. The newer discs are hit and miss. Batman Begins as I mentioned got great reviews for picture quality, but suffered in low light.

Before getting the Pioneer 79AVI ( which I bought hoping it would fix this problem ) I had a Sony 9000ES which is what all my discs played on when I had the Toshiba. It was very nice for it's time ( still is with component )

I like the Pioneer a lot but it doesn't get rid of this issue. If someone told me that the Denon 3910 or 5910 would eliminate this, I would get one. I have the 5805 receiver which I love. The reason i didn't get the 5910 is because I plan on getting a Dragonfly which should duplicate the HQV in the 5910 but also allow me to use it for other sources ( does this make sense? )

Thanks
VFX

Hey Dive -- where did you see the reference to cavity-cleaning? Is that in the regular owner's manual under "Bulb Replacement"? I'll look in the Service Manual and see if there's any reference there...


brt3,
Yep, in the user manual, page 22, at the end on section 4.

I think you said you see this when viewing in a dark room, have you experimented with some lighting in the room, e.g.' backlighting?

Maybe what you are seeing is what some refer to as SSE.

Hope that doesn't being the SSE battle to this doorstep!

Interesting, maybe UMR can shed some light on this!

I discussed this exact situation with Jeff when he was here. He said what we are seeing is the result of compression artifacts of the MPEG2 signal whether it is Satellite,Comcast or DVD.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Yes, all of the displays demonstrate this issue. I'd heard that the DVHS version of Moulin Rouge looked spectacular, which is why I pulled out my primitive old DVD :)

As for my settings, I used your webpage as the "bible" when i first got my Qualia. I've tried all of the settings there and then had my set ISF calibrated. The newer discs are hit and miss. Batman Begins as I mentioned got great reviews for picture quality, but suffered in low light.

If someone told me that the Denon 3910 or 5910 would eliminate this, I would get one.... The reason i didn't get the 5910 is because I plan on getting a Dragonfly which should duplicate the HQV in the 5910 but also allow me to use it for other sources ( does this make sense? )Thanks, VFX, for your response. What you are describing seems endemic to DVDs, and has gotten much worse with the inclusion of extras on DVD. Unless they put the extras on a second DVD the bitrate suffers and the artifact rate skyrockets. A great comparison is to take any of the SuperBit titles and compare them to the regular DVD.

This problem also drives me nuts -- though to a lesser degree -- with C*mcast HDTV. Compression sucks, and we need more bandwidth ASAP...

BTW, I was one of the first people on the Algolith preorder list for the D'fly. I cancelled my order for several reasons. One was that I was insulted by the repeated delays and total lack of communication. The other reason; I have come to believe that the Dragonfly will not make much difference on a Q006. My plan was to do EXACTLY what you're doing -- DV79AVi @ 480I via HDMI >> DragonFly >> Qualia 006. At this point I'm not sure I'd ever buy anything from Algolith, and I think they've squandered a LOT of good will in the A/V community...

I discussed this exact situation with Jeff when he was here. He said what we are seeing is the result of compression artifacts of the MPEG2 signal whether it is Satellite,Comcast or DVD.BTW -- two weeks and counting to my ISF calibration with UMR/Jeff. Who else in the Bay Area is getting calibrated? Kaduku?? 3deye???

BTW -- two weeks and counting to my ISF calibration with UMR/Jeff. Who else in the Bay Area is getting calibrated? Kaduku?? 3deye???

Didn't even realized you were all set, please PM with all info!

Thanks, VFX, for your response. What you are describing seems endemic to DVDs, and has gotten much worse with the inclusion of extras on DVD. Unless they put the extras on a second DVD the bitrate suffers and the artifact rate skyrockets. A great comparison is to take any of the SuperBit titles and compare them to the regular DVD.

This problem also drives me nuts -- though to a lesser degree -- with C*mcast HDTV. Compression sucks, and we need more bandwidth ASAP...

BTW, I was one of the first people on the Algolith preorder list for the D'fly. I cancelled my order for several reasons. One was that I was insulted by the repeated delays and total lack of communication. The other reason; I have come to believe that the Dragonfly will not make much difference on a Q006. My plan was to do EXACTLY what you're doing -- DV79AVi @ 480I via HDMI >> DragonFly >> Qualia 006. At this point I'm not sure I'd ever buy anything from Algolith, and I think they've squandered a LOT of good will in the A/V community...

Hi,
I checked the bitrate on these scenes and they didn't seem too low. Compression is clearly the problem, but when you see the same scene being handled smoothly on a CRT or plasma it's a little annoying. PPVHD bandwith is great, so Bluray will definitely be the way to go, but before I switched from CRT I had a fairly decent disc collection, now, not so much.

I know Algolith went through some personnel shifts, but they've been pretty attentive to my inquiries. I'll let you know if the Dragonfly helps.

VFX

Today marks one year since our fearless leader (jb007) took delivery of the very first Qualia 006 in the country.

It's been quite a year. The most remarkable thing, IMHO, is that the 006 is still looked at by so many as the reference display--"the one to beat"--after all this time.

Another remarkable thing is the community of Qualia owners (a.k.a. the thread that wouldn't die) that was an unexpected bonus. AYE LUFF YWEW GYEZZZ!!!

Two years ago you could never have convinced me that a five-figure pricetag on a TV could possibly be worth it. But still no regrets, a year and over 300 pages later.


Here's to all of us continuing to enjoy one helluva TV in the year 2 . . . 006.

--Dwayne

P.S. And OF COURSE a big congrats to our official "artistic photographer" of the thread, DiveDude, on your recent news from the Doc. Like I said before: Here's to 100 more . . . .

BTW -- two weeks and counting to my ISF calibration with UMR/Jeff. Who else in the Bay Area is getting calibrated? Kaduku?? 3deye???

I just had a cancellation in LA/San Diego so another Qualian could join the club. ;)

Hi,
I checked the bitrate on these scenes and they didn't seem too low. Compression is clearly the problem, but when you see the same scene being handled smoothly on a CRT or plasma it's a little annoying. PPVHD bandwith is great, so Bluray will definitely be the way to go, but before I switched from CRT I had a fairly decent disc collection, now, not so much.

I know Algolith went through some personnel shifts, but they've been pretty attentive to my inquiries. I'll let you know if the Dragonfly helps.

VFX

I'm sorry, could you clarify again how your 79AVI is connected to the Q, component or HDMI/DVI?

Thanks.

Today marks one year since our fearless leader (jb007) took delivery of the very first Qualia 006 in the country.

It's been quite a year. The most remarkable thing, IMHO, is that the 006 is still looked at by so many as the reference display--"the one to beat"--after all this time.

Another remarkable thing is the community of Qualia owners (a.k.a. the thread that wouldn't die) that was an unexpected bonus. AYE LUFF YWEW GYEZZZ!!!

Two years ago you could never have convinced me that a five-figure pricetag on a TV could possibly be worth it. But still no regrets, a year and over 300 pages later.


Here's to all of us continuing to enjoy one helluva TV in the year 2 . . . 006.

--Dwayne

P.S. And OF COURSE a big congrats to our official "artistic photographer" of the thread, DiveDude, on your recent news from the Doc. Like I said before: Here's to 100 more . . . .

Thanks Zechman (Offical Historian of the Qualia 006 Thread).

Happy Anniversary to the QUALIA 006 (and me :D).

Wow, it was one year ago today that I nervously waited at home, on an atypically rainy day in San Diego, anxiously awaiting delivery of the beast. I clearly remember the large white truck pulling up and two gentlemen (without white gloves :p) unloading the Q006 and matching stand. Those boxes were huge :)

I vividly recall the excitement of getting the TV and stand unpacked, into the house, and set up in the proper place. Spending time, carefully plugging in my new Sony DVD player, running all the cables to the amplifier, HD TiVo, etc.

Then, enjoying an HD basketball game, followed by another 364 days of pure viewing bliss. I say to myself all the time . . . I LOVE THIS T.V. :D

Now, here we are today. I'm still enjoying what I feel is the best picture available to a consumer; still on my first bulb; only one glitch ever, recently when the picture wouldn't come on (but that cured itself); a great thread with fellow Qualians; and my anniversary gift to the Q006, a calibration by umr on Tuesday!

Here's looking to another great year of viewing the 006 in 006; a Sony Blu-Ray Player; and a TiVo Series 3 HD recorder.

Thanks, everyone, for making this such a nice place to hang out.

jb007

jb007,

Congratulations ! ! !

Your reminiscence of delivery day brought back some great memories of my own delivery day, as I am sure it did for everyone. :)

And thank you for giving us such a nice place to hang out ;)

Regrets,
I've had a few...
But then again,
Too few to mention...
:D

Wow, it was one year ago today that I nervously waited at home, on an atypically rainy day in San Diego, anxiously awaiting delivery of the beast.
jb007
If I recall correctly, it wasn’t just a “rainy” day, it was a like a monsoon out there ! :eek:

Kudos for not being a procrastinator and mind-f**king the death out of this display before actually deciding to “pull the trigger”.

You blazed a trail that alot of us would quickly follow without trepidation.

Good job !

This keeps up and it will become as uninteresting as NASCAR Trucks, what ever happened to "The State of The Art unlimited cutting edge engineering / development / etc. ????? Hey ... if ya don't have the dough or the technology go race INDY or Champ cars. :mad:






FIA proposals - key details

After an unprecedented period of consultation - including input from over 90,000 race fans around the world, the FIA has published its draft Technical and Sporting Regulations for the 2008 season. The aim is clear - to drive down the costs of competing in Formula One and to improve the spectacle for fans.

"The real argument is not about sports governance or even about how much money FOM gives the teams, it's all about costs," said Max Mosley, FIA President. "One manufacturer is spending a sum greater than half of its total annual dividend. This is unsustainable and sooner or later the shareholders will notice."

The new regulations include:

A 'centreline downwash generating' split-plane rear wing to become compulsory - this will dramatically reduce the 'wash' from the back of a car, allowing closer racing.

Banning new technologies that give teams a clear performance advantage (and which are subsequently adopted by other teams) after one season - this will allow the teams to benefit from the innovation, but prevents out-of-control spending on trying to develop it.

A 19,000 rpm rev limit on engines to reduce costs, and also to "redirect engine research towards road-relevant technologies."

A standard Engine Control Unit (ECU) for all teams to limit the use of driver aids and to allow the FIA to check mileage.

A return to slick tyres to increase mechanical grip to offset the loss of aerodynamic grip. Drivers will also be able to adjust tyre pressures from inside the car to compensate for periods of slow running.

Other changes include reducing the minimum weight of a Formula One car from 605kg to 550kg to eliminate the need for ballast in cars, the use of fuel partially derived from bio-power sources and even proposals to allow manufacturers to experiment with the use of hybrid technology, storing and then reusing energy normally lost under braking.

Amendments are also proposed for the Sporting Regulations, including the requirement for engines to last for three events, transmissions to last for four events, testing restrictions and a move to a single tyre supplier, to ensure a level playing field for all runners.

If adopted, the FIA is confident that the new package of regulations will help it to dramatically cut the costs of competing in Formula One and improve both the quality and closeness of racing.

Happy Anniversary to the QUALIA 006 (and me :D).

Wow, it was one year ago today that I nervously waited at home, on an atypically rainy day in San Diego, anxiously awaiting delivery of the beast. I clearly remember the large white truck pulling up and two gentlemen (without white gloves :p) unloading the Q006 and matching stand. Those boxes were huge :)

I vividly recall the excitement of getting the TV and stand unpacked, into the house, and set up in the proper place. Spending time, carefully plugging in my new Sony DVD player, running all the cables to the amplifier, HD TiVo, etc.



Congratulations JB,
I remember that day very clearly, because I was just as excited as you were, even if it wasn't even my TV! Though it was just you receiving the Q, we were all with you man on that special day! :D

I just had a cancellation in LA/San Diego so another Qualian could join the club. ;)

UMR,
I am replacing my bulb about a week before Superbowl. I haven't discussed this with da wife, but what are your thoughts on doing a calibration during this change. I was told that the new bulb should have at least 50 hours before any type of calibration.

JB,
Do you have an appointment with UMR for a calibration while he is in San Diego?

Disregard, I see that you do have an appointment on Tues, let us know your thoughts on the calibration! :D

UMR,
I am replacing my bulb about a week before Superbowl. I haven't discussed this with da wife, but what are your thoughts on doing a calibration during this change. I was told that the new bulb should have at least 50 hours before any type of calibration.

I would try and get at least 20 hours on the lamp, but most of the time requirements are related to infant mortality issues with displays. Returning a display right after a calibration would not be fun.

dd-
Even though Sony has one, I guess they didn’t show it at CES, perhaps at the Sony dealer show in late Feb/March. ?

At least Panasonic stepped up to the plate………..
http://engadget.com/2006/01/07/panasonics-ces-booth-tour/

scrawl down to the component with the placard that says “Blu-ray Recorder”

I would try and get at least 20 hours on the lamp, but most of the time requirements are related to infant mortality issues with displays. Returning a display right after a calibration would not be fun.Kaduku -- guess I always err on the side of caution... ;)
My 50 hour estimate would appear to be unnecessarily conservative... :o

One year ago I was waiting for the second wave of Banana Boats to arrive.

I would try and get at least 20 hours on the lamp, but most of the time requirements are related to infant mortality issues with displays. Returning a display right after a calibration would not be fun.


Kaduku -

I recently changed my bulb. The bulb is extremely bright for the first 30 or 40 hours. I would definitely NOT get it calibrated until after 40 or 50 hours of use, and I would change it at least 2 weeks before the SuperBowl. You can always put the old one back in if you don't think the new one if overly bright, but I'm pretty sure you'll see what I mean. If you're getting it calibrated before the SuperBowl you should change it now. It will be plenty bright SuperBowl time.

This is the first anniversary of the purchase of my Q. Ordered it during 2005 CES at LV Q store and received it about 2 weeks later.

I am still loving it.

First, I just wanted to say that it's because of the founders and frequent posters of this thread that I made the jump and bought the 006 about 90 days ago and all I can say is that I'm still in awe of this tv. I think this is the first time in my life that I have not had even a small twinge of buyer's regret - not even when the new Sony's came out. (I'll take the quality construction and screen size over the mechanical iris any time of the day.)

Second, and this may have already been addressed earlier in the thread, but has anybody heard anything about Sony providing an upgrade path to current 006 owners of the HDMI input to a 1080p input? Not that it's going to kill me not to have full 1080p input over HDMI but I would jump at the chance to do it if it's offered (if only for the PS3).

Again, congrats to all of you on the one year anniversary of this awesome unit. :D

Since some has brought up 1080P input again . . . . and again . . . . and again.

Does anyone find it bordering on ridiculous that HD disc players are being touted at CES, with possible launches in just weeks, and yet nobody is definitively on the record as to whether we will have a 1080I output option for our displays?

Sorry, Rubinfl

To address your question, there is no certainty that a firmware upgrade for an 006 1080P HDMI input is in the works. Much speculation from reliable sources indicate the possibility for one, but my dealer is not aware of anything at the moment.

First, I just wanted to say that it's because of the founders and frequent posters of this thread that I made the jump and bought the 006 about 90 days ago and all I can say is that I'm still in awe of this tv. I think this is the first time in my life that I have not had even a small twinge of buyer's regret - not even when the new Sony's came out. (I'll take the quality construction and screen size over the mechanical iris any time of the day.)

Second, and this may have already been addressed earlier in the thread, but has anybody heard anything about Sony providing an upgrade path to current 006 owners of the HDMI input to a 1080p input? Not that it's going to kill me not to have full 1080p input over HDMI but I would jump at the chance to do it if it's offered (if only for the PS3).

Again, congrats to all of you on the one year anniversary of this awesome unit. :D

There are no firm plans for such an upgrade for either the Qualia or SXRDs according to the Sony folk in the know here at CES. The company's position remains unchanged: the quality of our internal video processing on these sets is so good that 1080P inputs would not have much, if any real world effect on PQ. If and when there should be an appreciable demand for such an upgrade, it certainly could be provided for these sets, but at present we foresee no such demand now or in the near future....

There are no firm plans for such an upgrade for either the Qualia or SXRDs according to the Sony folk in the know here at CES. The company's position remains unchanged: the quality of our internal video processing on these sets is so good that 1080P inputs would not have much, if any real world effect on PQ. If and when there should be an appreciable demand for such an upgrade, it certainly could be provided for these sets, but at present we foresee no such demand now or in the near future....

Thanks for that update gazelle. I think the issue is really twofold. First, since we have such a wonderful television, we all want it to be the best it can be. Accordingly, many of us are getting the umr calibration. Others are purchasing Algolith products, clean power units, etc. Second, there is concern that even should the picture not be significantly better with 1080p input, we still want to know that our televisions can accept input from most any source. Last week it appeared the Sony Blu-Ray was outputting 1080p, with no mention of 1080i or 720p, and there was concern because no one wants their Q006 to become obsolete.

I think we are all striving to have the best picture possible, and realize the Q006 will not be the benchmark reference in the future, but that we are a long way off from devices that output only a 1080p signal.

Remember the scare a few years ago because those who bought the first HD TV's (us early adopters :)), paid a hefty price, but the TV's didn't have HDCP? There was speculation that because of a broadcast flag, the image may be downrezzed and one would not be able to watch true HD on that set. Well, that still hasn't happened, and if it did tomorrow, I've still gotten 3 or so good years of use out of my Sony plasma, so an upgrade to a new LCD would not be that painful if I had to make a change (which I don't :D)

My point is one we all know. As quickly as the electronics industry evolves and comes out with new, improved models, the replaced units still have a good shelf life. Now, that may not apply to your purchase of a product in a format war; i.e., HD DVD or Blu-Ray. Most of us remember VHS v. Betamax. What about DIVX DVD players? :p

Kaduku -

I recently changed my bulb. The bulb is extremely bright for the first 30 or 40 hours. I would definitely NOT get it calibrated until after 40 or 50 hours of use, and I would change it at least 2 weeks before the SuperBowl. You can always put the old one back in if you don't think the new one if overly bright, but I'm pretty sure you'll see what I mean. If you're getting it calibrated before the SuperBowl you should change it now. It will be plenty bright SuperBowl time.

I agree that this really might not be a good time for a calibrated (Sorry UMR). As far as the brightness of the new bulb, I was planning to install it just before Superbowl. Do you think it would be too bright? Does the picture look better after it tapers down?

I would try and get at least 20 hours on the lamp, but most of the time requirements are related to infant mortality issues with displays. Returning a display right after a calibration would not be fun.

I'd love to get my set worked on by you, unfortunately it seems to be a bad timing because of my plans. I hear that you may be back in spring, I should be ready by then.

Has anybody -- or know of somebody -- that has purchased a Qualia 005? I did a quick search on the AVS Forum, but didn't find too much. Wondering how pleased the owners are with the Q005.

I'm sorry, could you clarify again how your 79AVI is connected to the Q, component or HDMI/DVI?

Thanks.
I've tried 79AVI ->HDMI ->Qualia
79AVI->HDMI->Denon 5805->Qualia
79AVI->HDMI->Mosquito->Qualia

And every possible variation of these.

The same paths with component.

just a quick question for all the 006 owners, would u buy it again right now at this date in time? or get one of the newer technology sets?

so drop the coin on the 006 or get something newer?

i am being dead honest here, just wondering what to do?

There are no firm plans for such an upgrade for either the Qualia or SXRDs according to the Sony folk in the know here at CES. The company's position remains unchanged: the quality of our internal video processing on these sets is so good that 1080P inputs would not have much, if any real world effect on PQ. If and when there should be an appreciable demand for such an upgrade, it certainly could be provided for these sets, but at present we foresee no such demand now or in the near future....
Gazelle, welcome to the neighborhood !!!! :)

I think that the water is somewhat murky in this regard…..because I’ve heard that they’re “working on it.” What that actually means and whether it ever comes to fruition is a BIG question mark. I wouldn’t bet the farm on it but, I wouldn’t rule it out either.

Also consider the fact that I think there’s a purty good chance that the 2006 – 70” SXRD (non-Qualia) set due out around October will be capable of accepting 1080P over HDMI so that kind of flys in the face of the *party position* that “the quality of our internal video processing on these sets is so good that 1080P inputs would not have much, if any real world effect on PQ.”

I’ve actually been frustrated with the lack of detailed information coming out of the Sony folk at CES (from what I’ve read on-line) and I’m beginning to think that alot more insightful stuff will hopefully be revealed at the upcoming Sony dealer show.

just a quick question for all the 006 owners, would u buy it again right now at this date in time? or get one of the newer technology sets?

so drop the coin on the 006 or get something newer?

i am being dead honest here, just wondering what to do?
Well there is really nothing NEWER or better out there as far as I'm concerned.....except for the prototype tiny SED sets that Toshiba is showing at CES and won't be available *until ??????? at what 55"?

If you want or need a TV now, I would say YES - buy it and you will be in HD heaven quickly.

If you can wait until October, and if things don't stay on schedule suppose November or December, I would say you may want to strongly consider postponing your purchase for the NEW 70" SXRD, as described above.

**The reason I say until ????????? is because Toshiba is showing prototype 42” sets that output 720p at C.E.S. now and are predicting 55” sets outputting 1080p in “late 2006”. That seems like a very, very quick optimistic ramp up to me !

The only thing NEWER and BETTER....
http://gear.ign.com/articles/679/679235p1.html

but when will a 70" or larger size be available and HOW MUCH ?

I agree that this really might not be a good time for a calibrated (Sorry UMR). As far as the brightness of the new bulb, I was planning to install it just before Superbowl. Do you think it would be too bright? Does the picture look better after it tapers down?

Kaduku,

Yes, the picture does look better after the bulb tapers down a little. As I recall, you use the standard color temp., which appears "brighter" then Pro mode. The first 20 or 30 hours of a new bulb will really be bright with standard color temp. I really think you should change the bulb now or in the next few days. By Superbowl time it will have tapered down and be fabulous. If you change it now, and don't think it's too bright you can always put back your current bulb and switch to the new one a few days before the Superbowl so you have nothing too lose. Changing the bulb is pretty easy once you've done it once.

There are no firm plans for such an upgrade for either the Qualia or SXRDs according to the Sony folk in the know here at CES. The company's position remains unchanged: the quality of our internal video processing on these sets is so good that 1080P inputs would not have much, if any real world effect on PQ. If and when there should be an appreciable demand for such an upgrade, it certainly could be provided for these sets, but at present we foresee no such demand now or in the near future....

This is interesting. Exactly how does Sony think this "appreciable demand" will manifest itself? All they need to do, if they really need consumer feedback, is send a letter to the owners (they have all our names and addresses) and ask us. If the price is reasonable (I can't define that...) then I would bet that most of us would do it. It seems to be an easy way for Sony to get some more $$$ from us, keep us really happy (and with blue-ray coming up I'm sure they'd love to have us purchase their model) and isn't that really the bottom line for them?

Since some has brought up 1080P input again . . . . and again . . . . and again.

Does anyone find it bordering on ridiculous that HD disc players are being touted at CES, with possible launches in just weeks, and yet nobody is definitively on the record as to whether we will have a 1080I output option for our displays?

sophie,

Here is at least one manufacture that states their BD player will output 720p and 1080i. I am pretty sure they all will, and some will also output 1080p.

LAS VEGAS - January 5, 2006 - Samsung Electronics formally kicks off the era of Blu-ray today, as it demonstrates its BD-P1000 Blu-ray disc (BD) player here at CES. The new device will let consumers take full advantage of high-definition displays, playing content at native 720p or 1080i video resolutions. The player will ship in early Spring and shortly thereafter will become the first BD player from any manufacturer to be sold in the U.S. It is expected to retail for approximately $1,000.

http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/PressRelease/PressRelease.asp?seq=20060106_0000223502

just a quick question for all the 006 owners, would u buy it again right now at this date in time? or get one of the newer technology sets?

so drop the coin on the 006 or get something newer?

i am being dead honest here, just wondering what to do?

303_GSS,
Considering what is available now, yes I would. :)

just a quick question for all the 006 owners, would u buy it again right now at this date in time? or get one of the newer technology sets?Hell, I've been thinking about a ReFi just so I can buy a second Qualia 006...

:D

I'm assuming that WHEN (see: Penton-Man) Sony comes out with a 70" SXRD set -- of the non-Qualia variety -- that it will be built to an appropriate price point. Given the market it would likely be priced at or around $6K. Though it will have some improvements over our sets (can you say "dynamically variable iris"), it will likely have to incorporate compromises -- the same chips as the smaller SXRD siblings, poorer optics, different screen, not as good a scaler, etc. -- to meet this pricing structure.

I'd love to see Sony go all out. They got where they are by making truly superior televisions that -- for an awfully long time -- were clearly superior to the competition. If they bit the bullet they could try to set an even higher standard than what we see in our Q006s by combining all the superior Q006 hardware with the dynamic iris feature of the new sets PLUS fully-functioning 1080P. If they build a lot of these they could lessen the per unit cost of the Q006 technology, sell them at a small premium over the competition (say, $1K), watch the killer reviews come piling in, and sell a TON of these sets.

Come on, Howard -- I DARE you -- GO FOR IT!!!

sophie,

Here is at least one manufacture that states their BD player will output 720p and 1080i. I am pretty sure they all will, and some will also output 1080p.

Agreed, I wouldn't worry about it.
Also, in regards to the Sony unit, I believe it has i.LINK so you may be able to actually take advantage of the 1080p output if Zechman's work is correct.

just a quick question for all the 006 owners, would u buy it again right now at this date in time? or get one of the newer technology sets?

so drop the coin on the 006 or get something newer?

i am being dead honest here, just wondering what to do?

Based on the newer sets from the past couple months, and from what I have read, heard, and seen. I would not hesitate for one moment to buy this TV again, and it seems alot of peeps are doing just that right now! :D

Kaduku,

Yes, the picture does look better after the bulb tapers down a little. As I recall, you use the standard color temp., which appears "brighter" then Pro mode. The first 20 or 30 hours of a new bulb will really be bright with standard color temp. I really think you should change the bulb now or in the next few days. By Superbowl time it will have tapered down and be fabulous. If you change it now, and don't think it's too bright you can always put back your current bulb and switch to the new one a few days before the Superbowl so you have nothing too lose. Changing the bulb is pretty easy once you've done it once.

Thanks nhey, thats all I needed to know. I will change my bulb in a couple of days, which should give me about 50 hours by Superbowl.

Hell, I've been thinking about a ReFi just so I can buy a second Qualia 006...

:D

I'm assuming that if/when Sony comes out with a 70" SXRD set -- of the non-Qualia variety
Well Ray, you had better change that sentence to when and drop the if/ because it WILL happen. An internal memo went out to a bunch of people about a week ago announcing the display and its projected debut of October 2006.

I dare say the optics and scaler will be just as good or better than our sets, it will accomodate 1080p via HDMI, the only ? is what SXRD chip ?

Will they cheapen up the set and use the smaller chip or go for the gusto and use a new and improved version ?

Have I mentioned.....How bout dem REDSKINS ! :D

Well Ray, you had better change that sentence to when and drop the if/ because it WILL happen.Done...

thanks for the responses so far everyone! and definately keep them coming.

I guess I will go out and get the 006 then(I better do it before its too late)

If the toshiba SED comes out in 55"+ in a year or so, there is alwayz room for another set right?..... 006 and a SED, doenst get much better than that!

Agreed, I wouldn't worry about it.
Also, in regards to the Sony unit, I believe it has i.LINK so you may be able to actually take advantage of the 1080p output if Zechman's work is correct.

PM,
Mini Dive is ready to hook it up . . .

Sorry, Rubinfl

To address your question, there is no certainty that a firmware upgrade for an 006 1080P HDMI input is in the works. Much speculation from reliable sources indicate the possibility for one, but my dealer is not aware of anything at the moment.


Thanks for the response. I realize this issue has been covered (ad nauseum) before but I figured with the CES going on and the announcement that the PS3 and Blu-Ray will output in 1080p that maybe there had been some more recent info. It's not that I'll go hang myself if we don't get a 1080p input upgrade but I wouldn't mind springing for it if it became available. I agree with some of the other posts that the PQ on this unit is so amazing that I can't even imagine it getting better but . . . you have to be a littlle demading (if not anal) about PQ to spring for the $$ for the 006.

As for the guy who's debating getting the 006 ---- everyday you delay in getting it is one less day that you'll be in video nirvana.

If the toshiba SED comes out in 55"+ in a year or so, there is alwayz room for another set right?..... 006 and a SED, doenst get much better than that!

I like you're thinking! You are definitely Qualian material! :D

thanks for the responses so far everyone! and definately keep them coming.

I guess I will go out and get the 006 then(I better do it before its too late)

If the toshiba SED comes out in 55"+ in a year or so, there is alwayz room for another set right?..... 006 and a SED, doenst get much better than that!
I have a feeling that you will see alot of us Qualians on a future SED owner's thread - but it may not be until 2007 or even 2008 for some of us to get the size we want at a resonable price.

PM,
Mini Dive is ready to hook it . . .
I foresee a bunch of “what pin cable do I buy” questions.

Thanks for the response. I realize this issue has been covered (ad nauseum) before but I figured with the CES going on and the announcement that the PS3 and Blu-Ray will output in 1080p that maybe there had been some more recent info. It's not that I'll go hang myself if we don't get a 1080p input upgrade but I wouldn't mind springing for it if it became available. I agree with some of the other posts that the PQ on this unit is so amazing that I can't even imagine it getting better but . . . you have to be a littlle demading (if not anal) about PQ to spring for the $$ for the 006.

As for the guy who's debating getting the 006 ---- everyday you delay in getting it is one less day that you'll be in video nirvana.
Actually I think it may take a little bit more than a firmware upgrade to make it happen. ;)

I have a feeling that you will see alot of us Qualians on a future SED owner's thread - but it may not be until 2007 or even 2008 for some of us to get the size we want at a resonable price.

PM,
I'm thinking it will take at least 80 inches to get me to upgrade. Size does matter :D

I foresee a bunch of “what pin cable do I buy” questions.

PM,
I hope it will be the same kind I use to connect my Sony Camcorder and Mit D-VHS :confused:

Hey, don't ask me. All I know is that it has an i.LINK port. Whether it's 4 or 6 pin.....I just don't know.

PM,
I'm thinking it will take at least 80 inches to get me to upgrade. Size does matter :D
Oops, it may take more than that to upgrade.

Check out paragraph #5
http://computerworld.com.sg/ShowPage.aspx?pagetype=2&articleid=856&pubid=3&issueid=45

"SED TVs will have a lifetime of about 30,000 hours"

Quick......... math wizards out there, if I were to watch TV say 3 hours/day…..how much time does that equate to in years ?
And how about 4 hours/day - which I don't think is unreasonable on weekends.

I don’t like the idea of paying a premium price for a disposable TV. :eek:

Oops, it may take more than that to upgrade.

Check out paragraph #5
http://computerworld.com.sg/ShowPage.aspx?pagetype=2&articleid=856&pubid=3&issueid=45

"SED TVs will have a lifetime of about 30,000 hours"

Quick......... math wizards out there, if I were to watch TV say 3 hours/day…..how much time does that equate to in years ?
And how about 4 hours/day - which I don't think is unreasonable on weekends.

I don’t like the idea of paying a premium price for a disposable TV. :eek:

3 hours a day would be roughly 28 years :-) I bet you would upgrade WAY before
then...

Well there is really nothing NEWER or better out there as far as I'm concerned.....except for the prototype tiny SED sets that Toshiba is showing at CES and won't be available *until ??????? at what 55"?

If you want or need a TV now, I would say YES - buy it and you will be in HD heaven quickly.

If you can wait until October, and if things don't stay on schedule suppose November or December, I would say you may want to strongly consider postponing your purchase for the NEW 70" SXRD, as described above.

**The reason I say until ????????? is because Toshiba is showing prototype 42” sets that output 720p at C.E.S. now and are predicting 55” sets outputting 1080p in “late 2006”. That seems like a very, very quick optimistic ramp up to me !

PM
Toshiba became partner in the SED technology with Canon who developed the technology. They have had operating sets since 1986 so there is a long head start on getting these to market.

This is interesting. Exactly how does Sony think this "appreciable demand" will manifest itself? All they need to do, if they really need consumer feedback, is send a letter to the owners (they have all our names and addresses) and ask us. If the price is reasonable (I can't define that...) then I would bet that most of us would do it. It seems to be an easy way for Sony to get some more $$$ from us, keep us really happy (and with blue-ray coming up I'm sure they'd love to have us purchase their model) and isn't that really the bottom line for them?

Better Idea

A Qualia 006 Blu-ray Upgrade package to include their highend Blu-Ray double density Player/ Recorder and a 1080P software upgrade.

I would buy it

Best idea: A Qualia 008 Blu-Ray Player :D

3 hours a day would be roughly 28 years :-) I bet you would upgrade WAY before
then...
Well that’s a helluva alot better than disposable contact lenses. I can live with that !

Tony, give us the poop on any timetable for BIG sed displays from Toshiba.
Did you find out anything at CES ?

There are no firm plans for such an upgrade for either the Qualia or SXRDs according to the Sony folk in the know here at CES. The company's position remains unchanged: the quality of our internal video processing on these sets is so good that 1080P inputs would not have much, if any real world effect on PQ. If and when there should be an appreciable demand for such an upgrade, it certainly could be provided for these sets, but at present we foresee no such demand now or in the near future....
Gazelle, did you get the name of this Sony rep?

I'm really tempted to track down his e-mail address so that we can all *show him appreciable demand for the upgrade*......... :)

Gazelle, did you get the name of this Sony rep? I'm really tempted to track down his e-mail address so that we can all *show him appreciable demand for the upgrade*......... :)On a related note, does anyone have any accurate idea regarding how many Qualia 006s have been sold in North America over the past 367 days? I'd be interested in knowing just how many of these are in the hands of consumers -- and how many fellow petitioners for the elusive 1080P upgrade there might be...

...and you think it will make a difference Saturday! :)

Have I mentioned.....How bout dem REDSKINS ! :D

Not happy about this but our Local Paper had a CES report and did say the Blu-ray HD-DVD forwmat war is on and to not expect much for a year or two.

They also said that the HD-DVD was DOA at the demo.

...and you think it will make a difference Saturday! :)
Them be fightin words !

All we have to do is send Joe Theisman out there this week to give analysis to you guys...... and we will lull all your players to sleep ! :eek:

Them be fightin words !

All we have to do is send Joe Theisman out there this week to give analysis to you guys...... and we will lull all your players to sleep ! :eek:

I'm sure we'll all agree, no matter the outcome, the game will look splendid on the Q006! :D

Well I've gots to say somethin, because I suspect mpsan may prove correct. :o

On a related note, does anyone have any accurate idea regarding how many Qualia 006s have been sold in North America over the past 367 days?
Well I suspect a helluva alot more than Qualia 004's !

Those of you that have been around here for awhile know that I typically don't advocate posting, just for the sake of posting. However, with 625 posts needed, or if my calculations are correct, about 69.4 total posts per day on this thread, we would hit 10,000 on 1/18/06, the one-year anniversary of this thread. Wouldn't that be cool. :)

Those of you that have been around here for awhile know that I typically don't advocate posting, just for the sake of posting. However, with 625 posts needed, or if my calculations are correct, about 69.4 total posts per day on this thread, we would hit 10,000 on 1/18/06, the one-year anniversary of this thread. Wouldn't that be cool. :)

jb007,
Yes :cool:

Those of you that have been around here for awhile know that I typically don't advocate posting, just for the sake of posting. However, with 625 posts needed, or if my calculations are correct, about 69.4 total posts per day on this thread, we would hit 10,000 on 1/18/06, the one-year anniversary of this thread. Wouldn't that be cool. :)

jb007,
And at an average of ~30 posts per page, that would give us almost 21 more pages.

Does anyone think the price of bulbs for the 006 will go down in the next year?

Does anyone think the price of bulbs for the 006 will go down in the next year?

Does anyone besides Sony manufacture these bulbs?

Mini Dive says rule #006, watch "Wedding Crashers" on the Qualia :D

Those of you that have been around here for awhile know that I typically don't advocate posting, just for the sake of posting. However, with 625 posts needed, or if my calculations are correct, about 69.4 total posts per day on this thread, we would hit 10,000 on 1/18/06, the one-year anniversary of this thread. Wouldn't that be cool. :)

Here's my contribution :D

kaduku,
Mini Dive has a little Spam for you . . .

Here's my contribution :D


and here's one more for the cause....

You guys are killin' me :D

There really should be some Q006 substance . . .

... and I'll be doing my part tomorrow ...

... after my umr calibration !!!

:p

On a related note, does anyone have any accurate idea regarding how many Qualia 006s have been sold in North America over the past 367 days?
So, I call up somebody at Sony today to find out the answer to that very question (as if he would even allow me to publicly post it) and I find out from his assistant that he’s flown the coop to Hawaii for some Sony golf thing “to be an official glad-hander.”

Translation….. during lunchtime he’s running to the local nude beach with his totally unneeded blindmans cane/walking stick disguise to get a “hands-on” feel for the local culture.

My contribution.

OK, see you in the Super Bowl...OH, wait, that is not going to happen! :D


Them be fightin words !

All we have to do is send Joe Theisman out there this week to give analysis to you guys...... and we will lull all your players to sleep ! :eek:

Well that’s a helluva alot better than disposable contact lenses. I can live with that !

Tony, give us the poop on any timetable for BIG sed displays from Toshiba.
Did you find out anything at CES ?

Some said 07 - some said 08 - nothing we can count on...

Don't change the subject!!! Why not mention asking for directions, too? :D

I'm sure we'll all agree, no matter the outcome, the game will look splendid on the Q006! :D

God I hope the darn ps3 hits soon - I have been waiting for ages to see some nice 1080i movies without compression artifacts (and the full 1080 unlike the crunches out of most cable boxes).

So, I call up somebody at Sony today to find out the answer to that very question (as if he would even allow me to publicly post it) and I find out from his assistant that he’s flown the coop to Hawaii for some Sony golf thing “to be an official glad-hander.”

So, Hawaii boy calls me from Oahu to brag about the great time he’s having and tells me that …….

"There will be no 1080P upgrade kit for the Qualia 006".

So, I say "BFD" .....I still like my TV. :D

You guys are shameless. I wanna be a 'ho -- a post-ho...
:eek:

So, Hawaii boy calls me from Oahu to brag about the great time he’s having and tells me that …….

"There will be no 1080P upgrade kit for the Qualia 006".

So, I say "BFD" .....I still like my TV. :D

PM,
I'm with you, I don't need no stinkin' 1080p upgrade :D

kaduku,
Mini Dive has a little Spam for you . . .

Atta Boy Mini Dive! Now thats one smart mini dude!

The thousand ways to cook SPAM! :D

... after my umr calibration !!!



Don't forget, we want an in depth evaluation of your set after calibration.

So, Hawaii boy calls me from Oahu to brag about the great time he’s having and tells me that …….

"There will be no 1080P upgrade kit for the Qualia 006".

So, I say "BFD" .....I still like my TV. :D

Well, that was quick. We went from, "it's being discussed internally, we'll see what the demand is" to "there will be no 1080p upgrade kit for the Q006."

Bummer :(, but to quote P-M, "I stll like my TV :D" and "BFD"

Atta Boy Mini Dive! Now thats one smart mini dude!

The thousand ways to cook SPAM! :D

kaduku,
And Mini Dive likes it raw, he calls it SPAM Sashimi ;)

Just a silly ? I am sure but if I recall zechman's post from ages ago doesn't it handle a 1080p over ilink? As I actually recall it he did some testing with the mac and found that the mpeg2 that he sent in at 1080P was not showing any interlacing (even with specially test movie) so it appeared the Qualia was taking it entire and using it. I know he has said that the PC simply doesn't have the ilink drivers that the mac does so he would be unable to duplicate it later. Feel free to refresh my memory or correct me but it seemed that there was a magic scenario (i-link) that allowed 1080P to be displayed or was it just some Qualia magic that was masking the fact that it was really downgrading it to 1080i then perfectly guessing how to turn it back into 1080P?

Some said 07 - some said 08 - nothing we can count on...
Well that may be a good thing because I think us Qualians are far too much of a Wild Bunch to exist on any other typical owner's thread on AVS.

Perhaps by 2008, we may mellow a bit so as not to disturb the more conservative crowd that buys these SED's.

On the other hand, an 80" SED Owner's thread seems intrinsic Qualian material. :D

PM,
I'm with you, I don't need no stinkin' 1080p upgrade :D
Truly, esp. since it would then necessitate purchasing a GOOD Realta video processor at what 4K ? to make the 2-3K upgrade kit even worthwhile.

And if some of you guys sit as far as 14 ft. away from your 006’s I doubt that you would be able to appreciate even the above combo upgrade……unless you have Eagle vision.

Don't forget, we want an in depth evaluation of your set after calibration.
Hey, jb,
let's see a pic of the good u-mur man too !

Well, that was quick. We went from, "it's being discussed internally, we'll see what the demand is" to "there will be no 1080p upgrade kit for the Q006."

Bummer :(, but to quote P-M, "I stll like my TV :D" and "BFD"
EXACTLY !

And in response to your first paragraph, hey,......we don't fool around on the Qualia 006 Owner's Thread - we Progress !!!!!

or was it just some Qualia magic that was masking the fact that it was really downgrading it to 1080i then perfectly guessing how to turn it back into 1080P?
THAT'S the key. Just because the 006 accepts a 1080P signal doesn't ncessarily mean that it's not downgrading it to 1080i and then interlacing it back to 1080P

I just don't know, Z-man may be able to refresh our memories.

But keep in mind......unequivically, umr claims the i.LINK is a superior input ANYWAY compared to the others on our display.....and Zee Queen, Zee Royal Pouch and Moi confirmed that with real world testing. :D

I've started to enter SEVERE "24" withdrawl ! :eek:

doenst look good, the one store i figured would have it here locally has said they cant get them anymore.

i am in vancouver,bc,canada

it is still on the sonystyle.ca website (sonysytle canada) for 17,000 canadian.

anyone have any suggestions on where to get one from and who will ship to canada?

Check out what our friend Owen from down under posted in another thread:

"Since 1080i and 1080p are THE SAME 1920x1080 pixel resolution, conversion of 1080i to 1080p is NOT upscaleing.
In fact, no scaling is involved what so ever. It is simply a case of deinterlacing, nothing more.

Since BluRay HDDVD will only carry 1080p 24fps on disk, and a 1080i interface can transfer up to 30 PROGRESSIVE frames per second, why anyone would think that 1080p output from a BluRay player will be better then 1080i output, is a mystery to me.

1080i can be 1:1 mapped on a 1080p display just as well as 1080p, so HTPC users need not worry.
Unless you are a gamer, there is no pressing need for 1080p 60 input."

:D :D :D

New to the Forum, hopefully someone can help. Purchased my 006 in early August 2005. Average about 4 hours per day viewing time. Guessing I have approximately 600 hours plus.

I have the DirecTV Hughes HR10-250 HD receiver with Tivo. Unfortunately they designed the remote with the "TV Power" button directly next to the number "1" button. Needless to say accidentally turning off the Qualia instead of directing entering channel a channel selection happens more than desired.

Recently I have noticed that when I attempt to power the Qualia back up. The lamp "Sony" illuminates but the green power LED continues to blink for anywhere from 30 to 45 seconds before the display will fade up to full brightness. If I turn the Q off for a few minutes and power back up, it displays in its normal start up time.

Tonight I powered up the Q and immediately noticed that the screen only came up to about 3/4 brightness. All settings were normal. Re-cycled power several times with negative results. Immediately assumed that it was possibly a lamp issue, so I scanned the forum for info and found the procedures for displaying how many hours were on the lamp. Followed the protocol and was able to display some menu items but never found the the correct info in the menu. After several attempts, the Q will not display any service menu at all.

Not sure what to do next, or who to call for service. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

J.T.

New to the Forum, hopefully someone can help. Purchased my 006 in early August 2005. Average about 4 hours per day viewing time. Guessing I have approximately 600 hours plus.

I have the DirecTV Hughes HR10-250 HD receiver with Tivo. Unfortunately they designed the remote with the "TV Power" button directly next to the number "1" button. Needless to say accidentally turning off the Qualia instead of directing entering channel a channel selection happens more than desired.

Recently I have noticed that when I attempt to power the Qualia back up. The lamp "Sony" illuminates but the green power LED continues to blink for anywhere from 30 to 45 seconds before the display will fade up to full brightness. If I turn the Q off for a few minutes and power back up, it displays in its normal start up time.

Tonight I powered up the Q and immediately noticed that the screen only came up to about 3/4 brightness. All settings were normal. Re-cycled power several times with negative results. Immediately assumed that it was possibly a lamp issue, so I scanned the forum for info and found the procedures for displaying how many hours were on the lamp. Followed the protocol and was able to display some menu items but never found the the correct info in the menu. After several attempts, the Q will not display any service menu at all.

Not sure what to do next, or who to call for service. Any suggestions?



Thanks,

J.T.

First, a hearty welcome from the Qualian family!

A couple of thoughts. First, I strongly suggest you consider a universal remote like the Harmony that a lot of folks like, or a Home Theatre Master which I use and absolutely adore. Check out remotecentral.com for all the info you'll ever need. You need a universal remote to avoid shutting off the Q by mistake. Whenever you accidentally shut off the Q, let the fan cool the bulb until you hear the fan shut off, then press power to turn it back on. I suspect you might have been trying to turn it on too quickly. I'm not sure if that can harm the bulb but it's better to be safe. It's best to "baby" this set and that's what I always do, as I can't imagine being without it for any period of time.

If you have a replacement bulb try replacing the bulb. If you don't have a replacement bulb, order one pronto from the Sony store. Everyone should have a replacement on hand in case of a bulb malfunction. I really think you're having a bulb problem. If it turns out not to be the bulb, then you'll need to arrange a service call. So...if I were you I'd schedule a service call for next week, order a replacement bulb today if you don't have one, and go from there. You'll get the bulb in a couple of days and if that solves the problem you can cancel the service call. Good luck.

No Qualia at the 2006 CES. The 82" LCD on display has an red streak down the center of the display.

They did have one Qualia 70" that was demoing a Playstation 3. It was mounted in a kiosk and there was no Qualia mentioned in the booth. I asked about it and was simply told "we not showing the Qualia".

The Playstation 3 was amazing I thought. Better than the XBox360, which I got to play with. I only saw one game on the XBox360.

Logitech harmony 890 is out...

New to the Forum, hopefully someone can help. Purchased my 006 in early August 2005. Average about 4 hours per day viewing time. Guessing I have approximately 600 hours plus.

I have the DirecTV Hughes HR10-250 HD receiver with Tivo. Unfortunately they designed the remote with the "TV Power" button directly next to the number "1" button. Needless to say accidentally turning off the Qualia instead of directing entering channel a channel selection happens more than desired.

Recently I have noticed that when I attempt to power the Qualia back up. The lamp "Sony" illuminates but the green power LED continues to blink for anywhere from 30 to 45 seconds before the display will fade up to full brightness. If I turn the Q off for a few minutes and power back up, it displays in its normal start up time.

Tonight I powered up the Q and immediately noticed that the screen only came up to about 3/4 brightness. All settings were normal. Re-cycled power several times with negative results. Immediately assumed that it was possibly a lamp issue, so I scanned the forum for info and found the procedures for displaying how many hours were on the lamp. Followed the protocol and was able to display some menu items but never found the the correct info in the menu. After several attempts, the Q will not display any service menu at all.

Not sure what to do next, or who to call for service. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

J.T.

You might check the power savings mode which dims the bulb intensity.

Being an owner of the Qualia 006 and reading this forum for new ideas and infomation, I have to say something...

This thread seems to be more of a personal conversation between a few than anything helpful. Why don't people take those conversations to PM or e-mail eachother? I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying it, but come on...

Then you wonder why people don't read through all the pages before asking a question.

I have read that there are people who send the Qualia a 480i signal through HDMI using a Sony NS975V DVD player. I have to ask why you would do that.

I ask because I have the HQV DVD test material, and I can say without a doubt that the scaler and de-interlacer in the Qualia is not better than the DVD player based on the tests on the DVD.

No Qualia at the 2006 CES. The 82" LCD on display has an red streak down the center of the display.

They did have one Qualia 70" that was demoing a Playstation 3. It was mounted in a kiosk and there was no Qualia mentioned in the booth. I asked about it and was simply told "we not showing the Qualia".

The Playstation 3 was amazing I thought. Better than the XBox360, which I got to play with. I only saw one game on the XBox360.


Sony announced several months ago that they were dropping the Qualia name.

Sony announced several months ago that they were dropping the Qualia name.

I hadn't seen an official Sony announcement, but had heard rumors.

I have read that there are people who send the Qualia a 480i signal through HDMI using a Sony NS975V DVD player. I have to ask why you would do that.

I ask because I have the HQV DVD test material, and I can say without a doubt that the scaler and de-interlacer in the Qualia is not better than the DVD player based on the tests on the DVD.

I, too, have my Sony NS975V DVD player set on what I think is "automatic" to output upscaled 1080i and I love the picture. However, conventional wisdom that the $13,000 MSRP Qualia has a better scaler than the <$300 DVD player makes sense. Did you base your evaluation tests subjectively or objectively?

In regards to your comment regarding *personal* conversations between regular posters . . . that's what has kept this thread alive for the last year. There have been very few technical issues with the Q006. The Qualia line even appears to be going away . . . but this thread is still running strong because we are a community of owners.

I've never seen anyone asking a question, that likely was covered in the last 300 pages of this thread, get flamed or told to use the search button (which we all know is routine in other threads).

So, feel free to drop in whenever you like, but there's no need to complain about the chef's cooking, we'll be happy to make whatever you like :D

I've never seen anyone asking a question, that likely was covered in the last 300 pages of this thread, get flamed or told to use the search button (which we all know is routine in other threads).

So, feel free to drop in whenever you like, but there's no need to complain about the chef's cooking, we'll be happy to make whatever you like :D
Ditto, well said. :)

jb, please post a pic of umr with dem fancy measuring instruments that he brings to your cali (in Cali. :D) if you can !

I ask because I have the HQV DVD test material, and I can say without a doubt that the scaler and de-interlacer in the Qualia is not better than the DVD player based on the tests on the DVD.
It’s not as simple as that.

Consider the fact that (if I recall correctly) umr tested the inputs/signals on our 006’s and discovered that (primarily due to inherent filtering) by my rudimentary synopsis…..

i.LINK is the most optimal input

1080i over HDMI is a superb input that the Qualia is happy to eat.

480i over component is a much superior way to feed 480i to the Qualia bird than is ….

480i over HDMI.

I think that the video processing in the Quali 006 is superior to that of the player you've mentioned, in fact, I kinda think that several high end displays on the market probably have superior video processors than does the Sony DVD player you've mentioned.

I, too, have my Sony NS975V DVD player set on what I think is "automatic" to output upscaled 1080i and I love the picture. However, conventional wisdom that the $13,000 MSRP Qualia has a better scaler than the <$300 DVD player makes sense. Did you base your evaluation tests subjectively or objectively?

In regards to your comment regarding *personal* conversations between regular posters . . . that's what has kept this thread alive for the last year. There have been very few technical issues with the Q006. The Qualia line even appears to be going away . . . but this thread is still running strong because we are a community of owners.

I've never seen anyone asking a question, that likely was covered in the last 300 pages of this thread, get flamed or told to use the search button (which we all know is routine in other threads).

So, feel free to drop in whenever you like, but there's no need to complain about the chef's cooking, we'll be happy to make whatever you like :D

I ordered the HQV DVD in an effort to answer the question of which device to depend on for scaling and de-interlacing. I set the DVD player to 4:3 Pan Scan, and output of 480i over HDMI to test the TV. After that I set the DVD player to 16:9, 4:3 Full, and 1080i, and compared.

BTW, I by no means think that the NS975V is the end all be all of DVD players. I wanted to like the 3910 that I purchased, but it went south on me, and had to return prior to the HQV DVD arriving. Crappy build quality on that 3910 that I had turned me off to Denon...

Color bar/Vertical detail - The DVD player showed this as rock solid. The TV alone messed with the spacing a bit and was flickering at the bottom of zone 1. DVD wins.

Jaggies - The DVD player had noticeably less Jaggies appear on all three Jaggies tests, and they appeared less frequently. DVD Wins.

Detail enhancement - I needed to use both the capabilities of the TV and DVD player to make this PASS. On the TV, raised DTE and Detail to Medium and on the DVD player raised the sharpness to 2. That resulted in the most detail to be seen in this test. You would be surprised how well this test shows the effects of DTE, Detail and the sharpness controls for the respective devices. Use both.

Noise reduction - I needed to use the TV NR, and set that to high to pass the test. TV won, but the DVD player does not offer NR.

3-2 Detection - I needed to use the DVD player at 16:9 and 1080i to pass this test. TV takes longer on it's own to resolve the detail in the stands than does the DVD player. I have the TV on Cinemotion and Mode 3. DVD player won.

Film Cadence - Well DVD and TV did about the same job. Use DVD.

Mixed 3:2 Film with added video titles - Neither the TV nor the DVD player could deal with the Horizontal scrolling text without distortion of the text. Neither win. Vertical scrolling was fine. Side note, I have never seen this to be an issue in anything other than the HQV DVD.


I hear what your saying about the conversation in this thread, and that there are not many things to report on... I guess when I check the thread I'm looking for the latest info, but find out instead, how people like to eat spam or something along those lines instead. It's very fustrating having to scroll past the personal conversations to get to some meat.

I don't mean to offend, so thanks for hearing me out... :) I'll shut up now about it... I feel better... lol

So, feel free to drop in whenever you like, but there's no need to complain about the chef's cooking, we'll be happy to make whatever you like :D

That’s what makes this thread a pleasure to peruse.
You might sample a new appetizer that can have a ‘technically’ savory flavor, or,
you might fill your belly with an amusing entrée.

doenst look good, the one store i figured would have it here locally has said they cant get them anymore.

i am in vancouver,bc,canada

it is still on the sonystyle.ca website (sonysytle canada) for 17,000 canadian.

anyone have any suggestions on where to get one from and who will ship to canada?

I sent you a PM with info

I hear what your saying about the conversation in this thread, and that there are not many things to report on... I guess when I check the thread I'm looking for the latest info, but find out instead, how people like to eat spam or something along those lines instead. It's very fustrating having to scroll past the personal conversations to get to some meat.

I don't mean to offend, so thanks for hearing me out... :) I'll shut up now about it... I feel better... lol

YOU JUST HAD TO TALK ABOUT MY MOST FAVORITE FOOD IN THE WORLD!

I, too, have my Sony NS975V DVD player set on what I think is "automatic" to output upscaled 1080i and I love the picture. However, conventional wisdom that the $13,000 MSRP Qualia has a better scaler than the <$300 DVD player makes sense. Did you base your evaluation tests subjectively or objectively?

In regards to your comment regarding *personal* conversations between regular posters . . . that's what has kept this thread alive for the last year. There have been very few technical issues with the Q006. The Qualia line even appears to be going away . . . but this thread is still running strong because we are a community of owners.

I've never seen anyone asking a question, that likely was covered in the last 300 pages of this thread, get flamed or told to use the search button (which we all
know is routine in other threads).

So, feel free to drop in whenever you like, but there's no need to complain about the chef's cooking, we'll be happy to make whatever you like :D




I had to chuckle and smile when I read your response.
You are right on the money

I had to chuckle and smile when I read your response.
You are right on the money
I often chuckle when people come to a FREE non-subscription internet site and believe they are ENTITLED to be given something they need for very little effort and then leave once they’ve eventually found what they were looking for.

Only to come back again in 6 months or so for another ENTITLED freebie.

Check out what our friend Owen from down under posted in another thread:

"Since 1080i and 1080p are THE SAME 1920x1080 pixel resolution, conversion of 1080i to 1080p is NOT upscaleing.
In fact, no scaling is involved what so ever. It is simply a case of deinterlacing, nothing more.

Since BluRay HDDVD will only carry 1080p 24fps on disk, and a 1080i interface can transfer up to 30 PROGRESSIVE frames per second, why anyone would think that 1080p output from a BluRay player will be better then 1080i output, is a mystery to me.

1080i can be 1:1 mapped on a 1080p display just as well as 1080p, so HTPC users need not worry.
Unless you are a gamer, there is no pressing need for 1080p 60 input."

:D :D :D
To those that are newcomers to this thread or don’t remember who Owen was from the “Sony Jumps” thread.

Well, let’s just say, like umr, he does the above stuff for living !
And is apparently successful at it.

He often enlightens the gurus on the purely geek-speak threads with his knowledge….if not putting them to shame. :eek:

For us hobbyists, I think the take home message here is that ……There is little or no 1080P source material out there for consumers and don’t expect to see any for a long time from either the broadcasters or the film studios.

PM,

Long time lurker, relatively new Qualian, first time caller (well, not really, but I still consider myself an FNG!)...

I am certainly no expert, but I would suggest that this is not simply a matter of whether or not there is an abundance of 1080p source material. What about those of us who have invested or would like to invest in a top notch, best of breed external scaler/deinterlacer? One that is solely devoted to this task, and arguably much better at it than any Sony engine.

If I've got an Anthem D2 with the Gennum VXP chip, for instance, why shouldn't we push for a 1080p input on the Qualia??? It makes no sense to deinterlace/scale/interlace, etc. multiple times in the chain. I want to do all video processing within the Gennum chip in the D2, and output 1080p to my Qualia over HDMI.

So, looked at differently, there are indeed many 1080p sources out there...they're called external processors, and there is an entire marketplace full of DVDO, Gennum and other solutions that provide it - why would we not expect Sony to recognize this, and do something about it for their highest end product line?

They obviously get it on some level, or they wouldn't have offered it on the Qualia 004. The logical next step is to make it available on the 006.

Just my thoughts, I know noone asked, but hey, I'm passionate about this amazing set. Trust me, I love the native picture of the Qualia, it's insanely beautiful. But I also believe in the "Best of Breed" approach to things...Sony's entire business is not built around video processing. Companies like DVDO and Gennum exist ONLY for that reason.

Thoughts? Comments? Let's make this amazing experience even better, right?!

Peace,
Brian

Being an owner of the Qualia 006 and reading this forum for new ideas and infomation, I have to say something...

This thread seems to be more of a personal conversation between a few than anything helpful. Why don't people take those conversations to PM or e-mail eachother? I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying it, but come on...

Then you wonder why people don't read through all the pages before asking a question.


I don't mean this in a disparaging manner, in fact i want it to be encouraging, start up a qualia owner's technical thread or FAQ thread, etc. and that will stay focused on technical issues/concerns...i wouldn't mind one of those threads.

I often chuckle when people come to a FREE non-subscription internet site and believe they are ENTITLED to be given something they need for very little effort and then leave once they’ve eventually found what they were looking for.

Only to come back again in 6 months or so for another ENTITLED freebie.

Penton-Man, I never said I was entitiled, just did not know that the Owner's Thread was meant to be a place where owners came to chat about off topic things, that's all.

Alright, a quick update. umr has been here about 5 hours. He finished the Q006 (all inputs, including i.link). It's looking splendid. He is currently calibrating my audio system; then will calibrate the Sony plasma upstairs.

An extremely nice, knowledgable guy, who will explain everything and show you what he's doing, step by step. I'll post a full review later, after I've had an opportunity to do some Q viewing :)

In the meantime, here are some pics . . .

Alright, a quick update. umr has been here about 5 hours. He finished the Q006 (all inputs, including i.link). It's looking splendid. He is currently calibrating my audio system; then will calibrate the Sony plasma upstairs.

An extremely nice, knowledgable guy, who will explain everything and show you what he's doing, step by step. I'll post a full review later, after I've had an opportunity to do some Q viewing :)

In the meantime, here are some pics . . .

wow, is he sleeping over? :)

so what has he said so far about the quality of your paricular unit, given that he has seen some variations in the Qualias he has calibrated to date; e.g., color uniformity, aberrations, etc.

I ordered the HQV DVD in an effort to answer the question of which device to depend on for scaling and de-interlacing. I set the DVD player to 4:3 Pan Scan, and output of 480i over HDMI to test the TV. After that I set the DVD player to 16:9, 4:3 Full, and 1080i, and compared...Thanks for the detailed information; it's clear you took some time to gather this data. What I'm unclear on is how the settings on the TV menus might (or might not) be impacting your comparison. Could you PM me the settings on your Qualia?

In my setup I preferred the Sony 975 outputting 480i via HDMI; this looked better to me on the program material I use than when I let the player handle the processing. BTW, I use programs I've seen many, many times (5th Element, Bourne Supremacy) to reach this determination. On the "Bourne" disc there's a great scene at the beginning, where Jason is going over his "memory book" of newspaper clippings, etc., that he uses to try and piece together his back-story. This scene ruthlessly exposes small differences in how players and processors render real-world detail.

On the other hand, once I upgraded to the Pioneer Elite DV-59AVi -- after finding the Sony player somewhat less than reliable -- the situation seems to reverse itself. With these players the consensus seems to be to let the player process & scale the image. I have not had the opportunity, quite frankly, to do the same detailed comparison that I made with the Sony as my knee issues intervened. The Pioneer does produce a gorgeous image in conjunction with the Qualia, though -- clearly an improvement over the Sony.

JB, glad to hear your calibration is underway. Looking forward to the results. I was unable to book UMR this trip ... :( Perhaps next time.

Cheers

umr (Jeff) has now moved upstairs to work his magic on the plasma, after we took a brief break for a late lunch.

The Q006 is looking really, really good. I have a printout he provided me (in color!) which has graphs and charts displaying what my picture looks like pre and post calibration. He set the calibrated positions through the service menu, so they are now the defaults in the user menu :)

umr says my Q006 was about average in its shortcomings as compared to other Qualia 006's he has calibrated. He did say that mine had more of a gamma issue, that needed correcting, as compared to others.

In the past, I would see a mirrored like ghost image of white titles on a black background (end of movie credits). I believe others have posted a similar experience. That is now gone :)

Another dramatic improvement is the sound. After umr calibrated my surround sound system, there is a profound and noticeable difference!

I'll post more observations later, after I have an opportunity to enjoy the newly tweeked systems. :)

An extremely nice, knowledgable guy, who will explain everything and show you what he's doing, step by step.
Sounds fabulous !

Go u-mr !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JB, glad to hear your calibration is underway. Looking forward to the results. I was unable to book UMR this trip ... :( Perhaps next time.

Cheers
Not to worry, he will be coming back and I hope to get him sometime after July or perhaps even later.

So if that fits your schedule, that's already 2 clients !

I'll post more observations later, after I have an opportunity to enjoy the newly tweeked systems. :)
jb - This is starting to sound like when you first received your 006 and you posted all the pics.

Keep them coming !!!!!!!

So, any chance of getting UMR in the Boston area? I definitely want to get my grayscale adjusted, and I'm sure there are other tweaks to be made as well.

They obviously get it on some level, or they wouldn't have offered it on the Qualia 004. The logical next step is to make it available on the 006.
Thoughts? Comments? Let's make this amazing experience even better, right?!

Peace,
Brian
Brian,
I don't want to ruin the flow of jb's calibration with umr so I'll save my answer to your questions about 1080P/ video processor stuff for later when jb's all done.

In regards to offering 1080p input via HDMI as an upgrade kit for our 006's, I believe that they just don't think it is worth their time and effort.

I believe that if everything goes according to plan the 70" SXRD (non-Qualia) displays due out this Oct. (if they stay on schedule) will offer 1080P over HDMI.

In regards to the 1080P upgrade kit for the Qualia 004, the scuttlebutt is that the main impetus for that was that a Qualia 004 owner apparently had one of these front projectors in his home and was a big gamer and BIG business client of Sony...ergo, phone calls were made, things were done and an upgrade kit was produced.

So, looked at differently, there are indeed many 1080p sources out there...they're called external processors, and there is an entire marketplace full of DVDO, Gennum and other solutions that provide it - why would we not expect Sony to recognize this, and do something about it for their highest end product line?Agreed; this is why I was quick to get on the list for the Algolith Dragonfly/MosquitoHDMI combo. However, after researching the pros and cons it didn't seem to be a viable option; though it would have made some improvements with SD sources the limitations imposed by not being able to feed the Qualia 1080P from the Algolith killed any hope of sufficient bang-for-the-buckage... :(

At this point I still try to make improvements to the set and system where possible. The biggest improvement per dollar may well come next week, when I get the Q calibrated. After that we'll see about BluRay; if we avoid a format war and we get a quick, even BR rollout with a large number of available titles, then I'll buy in. I've already seen what a limited rollout looks like with D-VHS; though any BluRay rollout will quickly dwarf the total D-VHS catalog, I'm not interested in the new technology unless I can get the titles I want -- for the fifth time, in some cases (Beta, VHS, LaserDisc, DVD, BluRay). And the studios have the gall to try and limit the traditional interpretation of "personal use"... :rolleyes: :eek: :mad:

Looks like the Toshiba HD-DVD player is available for preorder:

Toshiba HD-A1 (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-GKIthCvGHhB/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?i=052HDA1)

I believe that if everything goes according to plan the 70" SXRD (non-Qualia) displays due out this Oct. (if they stay on schedule) will offer 1080P over HDMI.

In regards to the 1080P upgrade kit for the Qualia 004, the scuttlebutt is that the main impetus for that was that a Qualia 004 owner apparently had one of these front projectors in his home and was a big gamer and BIG business client of Sony...ergo, phone calls were made, things were done and an upgrade kit was produced.Penton-Man -- does this mean we'll all upgrade to the 70"SXRD/Sony, use our Qualia 006s for second displays, and live happily ever after??? :D

Regarding the story behind the 1080P/Qualia 004 -- THAT, my friend, is what I call pull!!! :rolleyes:

It looks like jb has a great unit, dont look like no blue glow in the blacks like the sxrds have.
I dont know about color uniformity, but black levels look pretty good.

Agreed; this is why I was quick to get on the list for the Algolith Dragonfly/MosquitoHDMI combo. However, after researching the pros and cons it didn't seem to be a viable option; though it would have made some improvements with SD sources the limitations imposed by not being able to feed the Qualia 1080P from the Algolith killed any hope of sufficient bang-for-the-buckage... :(

O.K., O.K. you've urged me to answer Brian now.

I'll start typing up something nerdy for us all while we're waiting for more jb pics.

Penton-Man -- does this mean we'll all upgrade to the 70"SXRD/Sony, use our Qualia 006s for second displays, and live happily ever after??? :D

Hey, don't laugh, I'm already considering it because I just don't know when an 80" SED will be available.

I really could be a two SXRD man if they make SIGNIFICANT improvements; otherwise, I'm waiting for the next best thing.

Regarding the story behind the 1080P/Qualia 004 -- THAT, my friend, is what I call pull!!! :rolleyes:
Hey, don't kid yourself. Sony's not dumb. I bet they make out like bandits in the end (with contracts) by making this little kit to appease one of their partners/suppliers for his in-home use.

O.K. Brian,
Allow me to elaborate just a tad, because anymore than that and I think it will truly detract from jb’s calibration posting for all of us.. It’s my fault because I guess I wasn’t clear. I think you and I are simply mixing apples and oranges here. I was responding to Owen’s thoughts in the post that jb offered up to us…..so you may want to read Owen’s post again.

I should say that it will be a long, LONG time before people see TRUE 1080P/60 source material – which is what everybody on a bunch of other threads seems to always be clamoring about.

The only real benefit of 1080p/60 or as some folks say 1080/60p would be for gaming as Owen said and I personally also believe for sports –but I don’t think there are any 60p video cameras out there and I doubt there is any commercial equipment made to handle it anyway.

The cursory specs that we’ve gotten from the Sony press releases and my hurried phone call to a Sony person when I was doing the thread “Scoops on Blu-ray and Related Musings” or some such title (never again :eek: !) simply say that the Sony Blu-ray will output *1080P*. I assume this means the optimal output they could offer is 1080/24sF from 24 frame based material.

If you have a BETTER outboard video processor that can properly restore 1080p/24 (i.e. true 1080P @ 24 frames) from 1080p/24sF material encoded into 1080/60i,then hell yes, go for it.

But good luck in getting the 006 to accept that signal over HDMI.

Now, I’ve got a headache.

Hope that helps, if not, maybe I can find a link for you somewhere in the next few days.

Where’s jb !

Now, I’ve got a headache. Hope that helps, if not, maybe I can find a link for you somewhere in the next few days. Where’s jb !Two words: Extra-Strength Tylenol. Wait -- how do hypenated words count? Can't wait to hear more from JB. Trust us -- "The details of your plasma are inconsequential...". Start running your favorites through the Qualia and get back to us with the details! That's 888 for me... :D

QUOTE=Penton-Man]Brian,
I don't want to ruin the flow of jb's calibration with umr so I'll save my answer to your questions about 1080P/ video processor stuff for later when jb's all done.


Certainly, not trying to ruin the vibe, I am completely on board his feeling that it's Christmas all over again! I still think there's room for this topic though, even now :-)

In regards to offering 1080p input via HDMI as an upgrade kit for our 006's, I believe that they just don't think it is worth their time and effort.

They are selling alot more 006's than they ever dreamed possible. The 004 I'm sure is peanuts comparatively, in terms of revenue for Sony. Multiply that by how much more revenue would be generated by even a relatively small percentage of us getting the "upgrade", you'd think Sony would be more than willing to listen.

I am suggesting that we all suspend disbelief (like we do when we watch King Kong), and pull together a customer response letter to Sony, advocating as owners that an upgrade be made available, at a cost to be determined by Sony.


I believe that if everything goes according to plan the 70" SXRD (non-Qualia) displays due out this Oct. (if they stay on schedule) will offer 1080P over HDMI.


That doesn't help me. I'm the guy who buys one set every 5 years...I think that's actually pretty often. A set of this caliber should reasonably last 5-10 years...it is with that in mind, that I want to have the very best available today, so that it takes a little longer to be "out of date".

In regards to the 1080P upgrade kit for the Qualia 004, the scuttlebutt is that the main impetus for that was that a Qualia 004 owner apparently had one of these front projectors in his home and was a big gamer and BIG business client of Sony...ergo, phone calls were made, things were done and an upgrade kit was produced.

Name and phone number of said individual would be helpful :-) Seriously though, this is a great reason that things can get done, it happens whether we like it or not in life. The lesson is that loud feedback can have an effect. Of course, it doesn't hurt if the loud feedback comes from someone who is filthy rich, and helps Sony get richer :-)

Bottom line guys? I will be pursuing this, in some fashion. I will admit I don't know exactly how yet, but I owe it to myself to try...I may get nowhere with it, but I'm gonna see what I can do.

I'd love to have everyone's support on it. I'll keep the list informed of my progress.

-Brian

Hey, go for it, I think we're all with you.

Now after my headache .....you've given me EYE STRAIN :eek: with the above response.

Whaz up with all that bold ?

Sorry man, just practicing my "loud feedback"...ha!

Thanks for the support. I'll do my best.

-Brian

So, Hawaii boy calls me from Oahu to brag about the great time he’s having and tells me that …….

"There will be no 1080P upgrade kit for the Qualia 006".

So, I say "BFD" .....I still like my TV. :D


BUMMER

Sorry man, just practicing my "loud feedback"...ha!

Thanks for the support. I'll do my best.

-Brian

Hey MWP
Post a preaddressed letter for all us Qualians to sign individually and mail.
Stew

Hey MWP: Post a preaddressed letter for all us Qualians to sign individually and mail. StewIf you post it we will come! :D Seriously, if you put something together I will post it as a petition on my Qualia website. We have nothing to lose -- besides a few video artifacts, that is... ;)

So, any chance of getting UMR in the Boston area? I definitely want to get my grayscale adjusted, and I'm sure there are other tweaks to be made as well.

Definitely.

P-M,

If one man was responsible for getting Sony to come out with a 1080p upgrade kit for the Q004, why can't you be that man for the Q006? :D

Seriously, maybe we could find a Q006 owner with some clout, say maybe that guy who starred in The Manchurian Candidate, Antwoine Fisher, Out of Time, Man on Fire, Remember the Titans, Pelican Brief, just to name a few. :p

Seriously, maybe we could find a Q006 owner with some clout, say maybe that guy who starred in The Manchurian Candidate, Antwoine Fisher, Out of Time, Man on Fire, Remember the Titans, Pelican Brief, just to name a few. :pNot that those are chopped liver, but I also like the dude's work in "The Hurricane", "Courage Under Fire", "Philadelphia", and "Malcolm X"...

To connect this back to our thread, "Malcolm X" is one of the most visually fantastic HDTV titles I've yet had the pleasure to view on the Qualia. When Malcolm/DW goes to Mecca for his Hajj there's a scene where he's kneeling inside a mosque. The carpet is a vivid red, there is a full range of details inside the mosque -- from pitch black to a brightly lit chandelier, and then there's intense sunlight streaming through the doors. This scene will bring most displays to their knees...

"Courage Under Fire" is perhaps the best workout your sound system will ever endure. The sound design is spectacular, as the same battle scene is relived repeatedly from the differing perspective of each individual involved. The scene at the beginning is challenging both sonically and visually; it's a tank battle during the middle of the night during the opening salvos of Desert Storm. Pitch black backgrounds, vivid gun flashes and explosions, etc., along with dimly lit tank interiors -- another tough scenario for most displays...

Speaking of which, JB -- more details??? Pronto, por favor!?!

:D

Initial Impressions . . .

First, I had the settings posted by bernster2001 on the Q006 for the last year and have always felt the picture was outstanding. I have only had the opportunity to view a little HD TV (NCIS) and look at a few DVD's (umr was gracious enough to present me with a DVD movie when he finished, that is an excellent transfer and looks spectacular on the Q006).

The colors are much improved. The blacks are much improved. There is now more of a *3D* effect. I was concerned that tonight's NCIS looked a little soft, but upon checking other channels, I think it was just that show for some reason. The calibrated picture is also not quite as bright as before. Remember, I'd been watching the old settings for the last year, so getting adjusted to the new settings may take a few days.

After calibration, I now notice some subtleties in the picture that previously were not apparent. There is an overall improvement in picture quality. However, I would caution that because the Q006 is so good already, you should not expect a dramatic change or to go *WOW* after calibration.

The audio calibration, on the other hand, is more dramatic and noticeable. The same can be said about the calibration of the Sony plasma -- more apparent and dramatically better.

I'm very pleased with the end result and would recommend umr. He is a knowledgable guy and takes his time to get it done right. I will follow up with more thoughts in the future, once I've had an opportunity to adjust my eyes to the new settings and view more source material.

Initial Impressions... I'm very pleased with the end result and would recommend umr. He is a knowledgable guy and takes his time to get it done right. I will follow up with more thoughts in the future, once I've had an opportunity to adjust my eyes to the new settings and view more source material.Geez -- ask and it shall be given! Thanks, JB...

What do you think of the Qualia Shrine I have created. Amazing, but I built that stand out of oak myself. I also put a dimmer on the two lights above the set behind the top cut of curtains and you can dial in just the right amount of backlighting when watching movies at night. Amazing what a little bias lighting can do. The wife totally hated it at first because I banished her couch out of the bay window to the other side of the room but now is warming somewhat to the theater look. Have not organized the speaker wires yet but was excited with the look so far despite the clutter. Maybe post a pic in better lighting when finished.

I am also thinking of flanking the Qualia with four 32" Aquos LCD's above and below each left/right main speaker in matching enclosures to the Qualia stand. Not sure if that will be overkill but since the wife thinks I am certifiable anyway when it comes to my sweetest, dearest most loved Qualia then what the hell. I think she is still pissed about the couch.

Photo is kind of weak but getting an image below the 500k limit with my camera was a challenge.

What think?

What do you think of the Qualia Shrine I have created.I think you need to add 30 or 40 votive candles along the front of the shrine to complete the effect...

What do you think of the Qualia Shrine I have created. Amazing, but I built that stand out of oak myself. I also put a dimmer on the two lights above the set behind the top cut of curtains and you can dial in just the right amount of backlighting when watching movies at night. Amazing what a little bias lighting can do. The wife totally hated it at first because I banished her couch out of the bay window to the other side of the room but now is warming somewhat to the theater look. Have not organized the speaker wires yet but was excited with the look so far despite the clutter. Maybe post a pic in better lighting when finished.

I am also thinking of flanking the Qualia with four 32" Aquos LCD's above and below each left/right main speaker in matching enclosures to the Qualia stand. Not sure if that will be overkill but since the wife thinks I am certifiable anyway when it comes to my sweetest, dearest most loved Qualia then what the hell. I think she is still pissed about the couch.

Photo is kind of weak but getting an image below the 500k limit with my camera was a challenge.



What think?


Beautiful job. The curtains behind it are perfect.

Yo MM777 .... great tabernacle setup, so where is the altar, incense, the orchestra pit?

Just kidding ... looks great! ;)

Bottom line guys? I will be pursuing this, in some fashion. I will admit I don't know exactly how yet, but I owe it to myself to try...I may get nowhere with it, but I'm gonna see what I can do.

I'd love to have everyone's support on it. I'll keep the list informed of my progress.

-Brian

You are definitely the man with the plan! Count me in!

What do you think of the Qualia Shrine I have created. Amazing, but I built that stand out of oak myself. I also put a dimmer on the two lights above the set behind the top cut of curtains and you can dial in just the right amount of backlighting when watching movies at night. Amazing what a little bias lighting can do. The wife totally hated it at first because I banished her couch out of the bay window to the other side of the room but now is warming somewhat to the theater look. Have not organized the speaker wires yet but was excited with the look so far despite the clutter. Maybe post a pic in better lighting when finished.

I am also thinking of flanking the Qualia with four 32" Aquos LCD's above and below each left/right main speaker in matching enclosures to the Qualia stand. Not sure if that will be overkill but since the wife thinks I am certifiable anyway when it comes to my sweetest, dearest most loved Qualia then what the hell. I think she is still pissed about the couch.

Photo is kind of weak but getting an image below the 500k limit with my camera was a challenge.

What think?


It looks great MM! Long time no hear, at least you didn't just show up again out of the blue and complain about my SPAM! :D

I was concerned that tonight's NCIS looked a little soft, but upon checking other channels, I think it was just that show for some reason.
Not to worry, it IS the show, or their cameras or something that they're doing.

I've seen NCIS on a bunch of HDTV's now and I think that it is just about the WORST series broadcast in HD that I routinely look at every week, unfortunately.

I'm very pleased with the end result and would recommend umr. He is a knowledgable guy and takes his time to get it done right. I will follow up with more thoughts in the future, once I've had an opportunity to adjust my eyes to the new settings and view more source material.
You are one lucky fellow umr !

You are aware of what the moniker 007 (after jb) stands for ?

Licensed to Kill :eek:

What think?
Sa -WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE- tah !

Nice job !

Now if you could just get those curtains on an electric motor controlled rail and have is so they covered up the Qualia until the press of a button (either up or to the side openings would be fine). Something about that setup just screams for the curtain(s) to dramatically move out of the way. Heh hope I didn't just make your wife's evil ideamakers list :).

Initial Impressions . . .

First, I had the settings posted by bernster2001 on the Q006 for the last year and have always felt the picture was outstanding. I have only had the opportunity to view a little HD TV (NCIS) and look at a few DVD's (umr was gracious enough to present me with a DVD movie when he finished, that is an excellent transfer and looks spectacular on the Q006).

The colors are much improved. The blacks are much improved. There is now more of a *3D* effect. I was concerned that tonight's NCIS looked a little soft, but upon checking other channels, I think it was just that show for some reason. The calibrated picture is also not quite as bright as before. Remember, I'd been watching the old settings for the last year, so getting adjusted to the new settings may take a few days.

After calibration, I now notice some subtleties in the picture that previously were not apparent. There is an overall improvement in picture quality. However, I would caution that because the Q006 is so good already, you should not expect a dramatic change or to go *WOW* after calibration.

The audio calibration, on the other hand, is more dramatic and noticeable. The same can be said about the calibration of the Sony plasma -- more apparent and dramatically better.

I'm very pleased with the end result and would recommend umr. He is a knowledgable guy and takes his time to get it done right. I will follow up with more thoughts in the future, once I've had an opportunity to adjust my eyes to the new settings and view more source material.


It appears Jeff (UMR) is doing a great job. Posted results and opinions from Qualia owners all seem to confirm and substantiate Jeff's adjustments and
settings. My memory recalls that Qualians who have posted their opinions after Jeff does his thing results in richer colors, a more 3D experience and a dramatic change in their audio systems. JB's report definitely confirms my own experience Keep up the good work Jeff.
Stew

Haven't bought any new toys in quite some time, thinking about swapping out my 3910 for a 5910...anyone actually seen these two side by side to compare the difference in output?

Haven't bought any new toys in quite some time, thinking about swapping out my 3910 for a 5910...anyone actually seen these two side by side to compare the difference in output?

Don't you just wanna wait for the new Blu-Ray, or do you plan to use it with your existing DVD collection.

Don't you just wanna wait for the new Blu-Ray, or do you plan to use it with your existing DVD collection.

Isn't the Blu-Ray player backwards compatible with today's DVD's?

Isn't the Blu-Ray player backwards compatible with today's DVD's?

Good question, and how do you think the quality will be compared to high end players like the 3910, 59avi, and 5910. Well the 5910 should be better!

Hi I have a Q006 on order now just waiting for a stand. That leads to my question. The center height of the 006 is 27.5 and the manual gives this spot at the correct vertical viewing height. The stand I am looking at is 28" high add this to the sweet spot and you have 56" and that just seems to high. The stand I am looking at is this one: JSP Industries Mozart cant post URL due to newness to forum but the stand can be found at jsp-industries with com added

I could not find any info for dimensions of the Sony stand (SU-SX10)for the 006 but I am thinking it brings it in around 36 to 39 for the sweet spot for vertical viewing. I wanted a nice furniture looking piece that I could put my NHT VS-2 center speaker in as well as my components. Right now components would be Amp, Pre-Amp, Cable HD-DVR box, DVD player CD Player. Does anyone have any input on the Sony stand or the one I am looking at for viewing height. Thanks.

Has anyone used this or a similiar product to place thier center speakers on?

OmniMount Center Channel Speaker Shelf (CCH1B) OMS CCH1B

I cant post a URL as of yet but you can see this item on the Circuitcity website

Also after reading through more of the forum I see many built custom stands. I would love to get some info on these and think that might be an option I will look into as well. The Sony stand is expensive and I am looking for more of a finish furniture look.

Hi I have a Q006 on order now just waiting for a stand. That leads to my question. The center height of the 006 is 27.5 and the manual gives this spot at the correct vertical viewing height. The stand I am looking at is 28" high add this to the sweet spot and you have 56" and that just seems to high. The stand I am looking at is this one: JSP Industries Mozart cant post URL due to newness to forum but the stand can be found at jsp-industries with com added

I could not find any info for dimensions of the Sony stand (SU-SX10)for the 006 but I am thinking it brings it in around 36 to 39 for the sweet spot for vertical viewing. I wanted a nice furniture looking piece that I could put my NHT VS-2 center speaker in as well as my components. Right now components would be Amp, Pre-Amp, Cable HD-DVR box, DVD player CD Player. Does anyone have any input on the Sony stand or the one I am looking at for viewing height. Thanks.

The shorter the better, I have a triple Salamander and it is a little taller than the Sony stand, but angle still provides a great picture. Go to Ray's (brt3) site for Sony stand dimensions.

http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/Menu11.html

I don't anticipate, or expect, the new HD players to be as good at processing my legacy DVDs (already legacy :)) and since I don't see myself buying an HD player until the 1) war is over, 2) prices have come down and 3) there are enough new compelling movies to buy ( i don't anticipate reacquiring my collection)

The shorter the better, I have a triple Salamander and it is a little taller than the Sony stand, but angle still provides a great picture. Go to Ray's (brt3) site for Sony stand dimensions.

http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/Menu11.html


Don't you just love the new Qualians going through all the same issues the rest of us went though about a year ago...

As I recall, I did a lot of reseach and really debated what kind of stand to get and finally decided on Sony's stand primarily because it was the shortest I could find. I believe I made the correct decision now that I have a year's viewing under my belt. Tall stands will result in having to look upwards from a typical seating height. Their may be more beautiful stands, but this one is functionally pefect for my setup and equipment. At first, I actually ordered a really expensive custom built stand but cancelled once I realized it would be too tall for this set.

Good question, and how do you think the quality will be compared to high end players like the 3910, 59avi, and 5910. Well the 5910 should be better!


With the new and greatly improved (or so they say) audio codecs that will be included with the new high-def DVD players (blu-ray and HD-DVD), does that mean we will need to get new AV receivers to decode the audio signals??????

Have any new AV receivers that decode those signals been announced as yet???

Haven't bought any new toys in quite some time, thinking about swapping out my 3910 for a 5910...anyone actually seen these two side by side to compare the difference in output?Not me, but if you decide to get the 5910 there's a Version TWO model coming out soon. This will allow the HQV chip to upscale to 1080P; though that's not (apparently) going to be kosher on the Q006 I thought you'd wanna know. It's a bummer when you buy something and it's immediately obsolete...

Tall stands will result in having to look upwards from a typical seating height. Their may be more beautiful stands, but this one is functionally pefect for my setup and equipment. At first, I actually ordered a really expensive custom built stand but cancelled once I realized it would be too tall for this set.

You did make the right decision, I'm just lucky that the Q006 is sooo good that the picture quality is not affected at all with the current height on my stand, also having a viewing distance of 12 feet helped a little, though I still wish it was a little shorter like the Sony stand :D

Heh now... lets not use the O word around the Q thread :) at least not for 5 more years if the wife was to see that I might become Deceased :).

Just went to MacWorld Expo and stopped by the SonyStyle store on the way back to the car. They had a Q006 on display; it looked fairly decent. However, the most expensive set in the store was the new 46" LCD Qualia 005 -- which looked like pure and total shee-ite running some inane 480I Mariah Carey video compilation. What are these goofballs thinking? The way this unit was setup it was one of the WORST looking displays in the store... :mad:

On the other hand, the little HD camcorder (HDR-HC1) looked pretty sweet; I was impressed by how nice an image it produced... :cool:

DIVE-DUDE ALERT:

Proceed immediately to the following webpage:
Jessica Alba's Laptop (http://products.sel.sony.com/fj/fj-1/pimpmypc/pimpmypc.html#)

Sorry, couldn't resist using the words "Jessica Alba" and "laptop" in the same sentence... :D

Regardless, the link will take you to a site that gives you the opportunity to bid on a J.A.-designed computer. Oops, what I MEANT to say was that she designed the outside stuff attached to the computer's case. Jessica Alba, circuit designer -- the mind boggles! :eek:

DIVE-DUDE ALERT:

Proceed immediately to the following webpage:
Jessica Alba's Laptop (http://products.sel.sony.com/fj/fj-1/pimpmypc/pimpmypc.html#)

Sorry, couldn't resist using the words "Jessica Alba" and "laptop" in the same sentence... :D

Regardless, the link will take you to a site that gives you the opportunity to bid on a J.A.-designed computer. Oops, what I MEANT to say was that she designed the outside stuff attached to the computer's case. Jessica Alba, circuit designer -- the mind boggles! :eek:

brt3,
After seeing her PC design, thank God she has her looks to fall back on. On closer look, maybe that lace came off her dress . . . no, no I don't need another PC :o

You did make the right decision, I'm just lucky that the Q006 is sooo good that the picture quality is not affected at all with the current height on my stand, also having a viewing distance of 12 feet helped a little, though I still wish it was a little shorter like the Sony stand :D

Just remember if you build isolator platforms and place your seating on those you will regain any height you lost with your stand ... and hey if you go to the trouble to build isolator platforms you need to install the "Buttkicker" system", and experience a new dimension in Home Theater. :D

Isn't the Blu-Ray player backwards compatible with today's DVD's?
Yes.

how do you think the quality will be compared to high end players like the 3910, 59avi, and 5910.
THAT'S a big ?mark.

Nobody will really know until they buy one and do a direct A/B comparison.

Hi I have a Q006 on order
Fine choice. :D

DIVE-DUDE ALERT:

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dd...........and this may be a special interest to kaduku.

I watched "Into the Blue" and I was quite amazed at the free-diving of Jessica and her boyfriend (who the hell cares what HIS name is) but, do you know if she and he did the actual free-diving themselves or if there were body/stunt doubles ?

Because they really do get some respectable depth for amateurs.

Neo is definitely the poster boy (heh, I guess that is a pun although at the time I didn't mean it to be, then I realized I could say no pun intended but then decided I now did intend the pun, ah hell...you better skip this one too pawrampe :) ) for buttkicker!

If Sony fails to be more forthcoming in what it has in the works, then the below Panasonic will be the first Blu-ray anything I buy
(I am REALLY pissed that Lawrence of Arabia is not in the first 20 Sony Blu-ray titles - despite the fact that I was told it would be and there would actually be 25 titles)
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/ces/panasonics-bluray-recorder-146588.php

Now I'm hearing...."Oh, L.o.A. will definitely be in one of the early monthly releases following the initial 20 listed on the press release."

If Sony fails to be more forthcoming in what it has in the works, then the below Panasonic will be the first Blu-ray anything I buy (I am REALLY pissed that Lawrence of Arabia is not in the first 20 Sony Blu-ray titles - despite the fact that I was told it would be and there would actually be 25 titles)http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/ces/panasonics-bluray-recorder-146588.php Now I'm hearing...."Oh, L.o.A. will definitely be in one of the early monthly releases following the initial 20 listed on the press release."Any particular reason why all the early Blu-Ray players look like the bastard child of "The Jetsons" and "Star Trek"???

As to LoA, I'm sure they'll be 100% sure to get the classics out first -- like "Dukes Of Hazzard" -- before getting around to those d*mn furrin' films...

:rolleyes:

However, the most expensive set in the store was the new 46" LCD Qualia 005 -- which looked like pure and total shee-ite running some inane 480I Mariah Carey video compilation. What are these goofballs thinking? The way this unit was setup it was one of the WORST looking displays in the store... :mad:

I don't care how it was set up.

Personally, I wouldn't spend that much Penton paper for a display that size (even if it was SED) unless it enabled Jessica Alba herself to strut right out of the box and present me with her personal "Lap Top".

I don't care how it was set up. Personally, I wouldn't spend that much Penton paper for a display that size (even if it was SED) unless it enabled Jessica Alba herself to strut right out of the box and present me with her personal "Lap Top".Most definitely agreed. Still not sure how many Q006s are out there, but with their pricing on the Q005 I'd say it's going to be one rare bird (or turkey)...

503 posts to go in 7 days. That's 71.8571429 average posts per day. I don't know guys, it may be a squeeker :D

If Sony fails to be more forthcoming in what it has in the works, then the below Panasonic will be the first Blu-ray anything I buy
(I am REALLY pissed that Lawrence of Arabia is not in the first 20 Sony Blu-ray titles - despite the fact that I was told it would be and there would actually be 25 titles)
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/ces/panasonics-bluray-recorder-146588.php

Now I'm hearing...."Oh, L.o.A. will definitely be in one of the early monthly releases following the initial 20 listed on the press release."

When is that Panny Blu-Ray player going to be available? How much? Are they taking pre-orders :-)

Would you really buy it before L.o.A. is available?

dd...........and this may be a special interest to kaduku.

I watched "Into the Blue" and I was quite amazed at the free-diving of Jessica and her boyfriend (who the hell cares what HIS name is) but, do you know if she and he did the actual free-diving themselves or if there were body/stunt doubles ?

Because they really do get some respectable depth for amateurs.

I don't remember them talking about doubles during the extras on the DVD and I know Jessica Alba and Paul Walker are very comfortable in the water and are certified divers, but suspect that some scenes did required doubles, at least for Paul Walker.

I don't remember...Kaduku -- sending you a PM right about now...

503 posts to go in 7 days. That's 71.8571429 average posts per day. I don't know guys, it may be a squeeker :D

We need everyone's help on this, even you Pawrampe! In the immortal words of Rob Schneider

"YOU CAN DO IT".

Oh, Zechman, how many posts has this thread been averaging per day for say, the last week?

TIA :)

(I know to go to the Official Historian and resident braniac with these types of questions :D)

My BR player is going to be the Playstation 3. Don't know how long I'm gonna have to wait for that little jewel.

Gonna add it to the shrine.............................

You are one lucky fellow umr !

You are aware of what the moniker 007 (after jb) stands for ?

Licensed to Kill :eek:

I had no idea I was in such danger. :eek: ;)

Hey everyone!

It is nice to see this thread still going strong. I just had my Q calibrated today by none other than the venerable UMR. I thought that the Q had an impressive picture out of the box and was skeptical at how much better it could be improved. So after about 8 months of ownership I decided to take the plunge.

All I can is WOW!! It’s almost the same feeling I had when I first powered the Q on and saw the first HD images painted across its screen – except this time the feeling is more pronounced as I thought I had a great image to begin with. But the improvements were beyond anything I ever dreamed it would be or thought possible. Standard def DVD’s are simply spectacular (I thought they were great before) if they have a good transfer. And HD material is simply breathtaking. UMR – you are so awesome! Thanks so much as you’ve now justified my investment in this wonderful display.

If any of you Q owners are thinking about proper calibration I can’t say enough about having UMR do it for you. If you don’t you are certainly not realizing the full potential of your Q.

-xrispy

PS – UMR is also superb at audio calibration and really helped that side of my system as well. I spent the whole evening listing to music as well as watching HD programming with such renewed enthusiasm. :)

Does anyone know??


With the new and greatly improved (or so they say) audio codecs that will be included with the new high-def DVD players (blu-ray and HD-DVD), does that mean we will need to get new AV receivers to decode the audio signals??????

Have any new AV receivers that decode those signals been announced as yet???

I found this statement on a CNET site about dolby digital plus:
The latest Dolby format is backward compatible with existing DD decoders via down-mixing capability and SPDIF digital audio output.

Not sure if this means you can get the new format using an existing DD decoder.

I found my answer. If you're receiver takes HDMI or multichannel audio then it will be compatable and reproduce the dolby HD audio formats. Even if it doesn't, 5.1 dolby digital will be better than the current version.

Here's the press release that discusses this:

Ensuring Compatibility Between Next-Generation High-Definition Disc Players and Your A/V System

Dolby Has You Covered

Next-generation high-definition (HD) optical disc players will differ in many ways from the functionality and performance of today’s standard-definition DVD-Video players. The good news is that whether you own a legacy audio/video (A/V) system equipped with Dolby® Digital, or a more current A/V receiver equipped with an HDMI™ connection or external line-level multichannel inputs, a compatible, high-quality playback path is assured. Dolby has you covered.

The Next Generation of Optical Disc Players

As a result of advances in coding systems and disc storage capacities and the commercial development of blue-laser technologies, next-generation optical formats are poised to deliver high-definition video quality. New audio codecs including Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD will also bring high-resolution audio performance to the entertainment experience.

Next-generation optical formats will bring a new level of audio interactivity to the playback experience. For example, home theater enthusiasts may watch a high-definition video while listening to an audio track mastered on the disc that is simultaneously mixed with director's commentary streamed from a studio website. With each feature or program selection from your remote control, you may experience unique sounds created within the player.

The most practical way that the next-generation disc players achieve these new interactive features is by processing all of the related audio elements in the player. This is the same model that has been used for video on DVDs: the main video is decoded, then overlaid with subtitles or menus, and output as a complete video presentation, either as analog (composite, component) or digital (DVI, HDMI) baseband signals.

In HD disc players, the audio will be handled in the same fashion. Soundtracks decoded from the disc, as well as audio elements streamed or downloaded from an Internet connection or generated internally in the player, will be decoded in the player as digital PCM signals. PCM is the format players use to perform all internal audio processing operations, including mixing. In the mixing stage, streaming commentary, button sounds, and other non-disc-audio will be mixed with the native 5.1 or 7.1 soundtrack from the disc. The result will be the complete audio presentation as intended by the content maker.

The implications of this decoding within the player are significant. New features can be created for a given title long after the discs have shipped. More importantly, the fact that players will be mixing the audio internally means that it will no longer be possible (or necessary) to output raw audio bitstreams from the player as is typical with DVD-Video. As a result, consumers can no longer assume that every player will work with every A/V receiver.

Two methods already exist for reproducing the high-resolution soundtracks of next-generation optical formats through your A/V receiver or audio processor.

Increasingly, A/V processors and receivers are being equipped with IEEE 1394 (FireWire®) or HDMI connections, capable of transporting up to eight channels of 24-bit/96 kHz PCM audio content. If your A/V receiver is equipped with this type of next-generation connection, you should look for a similarly furnished next-generation optical media player. By this method of connection, the mixed PCM signal is transported from the HD player to your A/V receiver, where digital signal processing and bass management can be easily effected.

Multichannel Analog Connection

A next-generation optical player may also include line-level audio outputs derived from the multichannel mixed PCM signal passed through digital-to-analog converters. The advent of SACD and DVD-Audio in recent years has led to the incorporation of 5.1 and even 7.1 external inputs on many A/V receivers. If your A/V receiver is equipped with 5.1 or 7.1 external audio inputs, the selection of an optical player equipped with 5.1- or 7.1-channel line-level outputs will provide full-bandwidth reproduction of the audio signal originating from your HD player.

A connection through either of these existing interfaces will let you experience the full potential of the high-resolution audio delivered on next-generation optical formats.

S/PDIF Connection

If your A/V receiver or processor has neither multichannel analog or digital inputs, but is equipped with 5.1-channel Dolby® Digital decoding and playback, you will still be able to enjoy 5.1-channel performance from next-generation optical players. Included within 7.1-channel multichannel Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD streams is a core 5.1 mix prepared by the content maker that is used when the player is set for 5.1-channel mode. After playback audio signals have been mixed in the player, the PCM signal can be encoded to a Dolby Digital signal and output from the player via S/PDIF (optical or coaxial) to your connected Dolby Digital A/V receiver or processor.

In many instances, the audio quality you will experience from this connection may be better than what you would experience during playback of standard-definition DVD-Video discs, especially if the native signal on the disc is Dolby TrueHD or high-bit-rate Dolby Digital Plus. This is a direct result of a higher-quality source signal feeding a Dolby Digital encoder running at 640 kbps—higher than the maximum bit rate on DVD-Video.

Because Dolby Digital encoding support is optional in HD players, you will need to look for a next-generation player equipped with a S/PDIF output and built-in Dolby Digital 5.1-channel encoding technology.

Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus in A/V Receivers

Eventually, A/V receivers will have direct access to Dolby® Digital Plus or Dolby TrueHD bitstreams. We are working with the IEC and HDMI organizations to update data protocols to enable future versions of these high-bandwidth interfaces to carry these bitstreams.

To decode these bitstreams, the A/V decoder will need to support the updated data protocols, as well as incorporate these new decoding algorithms. In addition, it will be necessary to select HD discs in which the content maker has permitted the core 5.1 or 7.1 audio bitstreams to bypass the player’s mixing process and be sent directly to the digital outputs of the player. We expect that certain HD discs will permit this, but they may represent a minority of titles. In the end, the sound quality will be essentially the same as that of audio decoded within the player as PCM signals and transported through a current-generation HDMI connection to the A/V receiver.

With six or eight channels of 24-bit/96 kHz audio to handle from these new HD formats, the post-processing DSP requirements for an A/V receiver more than double. Rather than devoting the considerable DSP resources to decoding the core audio signals within the A/V processor itself, it may be more fruitful to use the A/V processor’s DSP resources to perform high-resolution post-processing such as bass management, room or speaker equalization, Dolby Pro Logic® IIx decoding, or other types of digital signal processing.

As a result of the quality and capabilities that the new digital interfaces provide, hardware manufacturers can offer more highly optimized system designs that attain the ultimate in performance while providing the greatest flexibility and efficiency for the consumer.

Dolby, Pro Logic, and the double-D symbol are registered trademarks of Dolby Laboratories. FireWire is a registered trademark of Apple Computer, Inc. HDMI is a trademark of HDMI Licensing LLC. © 2005 Dolby Laboratories, Inc. All rights reserved. S05/16661

I know this won't be a popular sentiment shared by many, or any, other Q owners on this thread, but I'm not really rooting for Blu-Ray. The article above from Dolby (though admittedly not limited to BR players) helps illustrate why I say this. although it is given a great marketing spin by Dolby (Dolby has you covered...pfffft!), it shows that if you read carefully theses new hd players, more so the BR players in my estimation, will be loaded to the hilt with DRM features that will really frustrate consumers such as myself. Because Sony is behind BR I am guessing that they will greatly hinder, impede and/or outright disable full enjoyment by the consumer, which today means so much more than watching/listening when, where how in accordance with someone elses idea of the approriate manner.

I am speculating that this is at least one of the important reasons Microsoft chose to back HD-DVD...yes, the evil empire watching out for consumers...ok, not directly since their primary motivation is their own benefits.

Ok, sorry for the diatribe but this was something that came to mind the other day as I was pondering my position on the looming "war".

BR may be better from a technical aspect due to its higher initial capacity but, as a bleeding edge technology lover, even though it pains me to say this, I would settle for the lesser technology (if it can truly be said all around that HD-DVD even is the lesser of the two) before empowering content providers even further to limit my acess and all around enjoyment. :D