Neo is definitely the poster boy (heh, I guess that is a pun although at the time I didn't mean it to be, then I realized I could say no pun intended but then decided I now did intend the pun, ah hell...you better skip this one too pawrampe :) ) for buttkicker!

You guys are brutal... :)

For the people paying for calibration, how are they charging you, for the session or per input?

The guy I had over here when I first got the TV charged me $275 for one input, and never touched the service menu. That's when I said, "Hey, thanks, I'm all set" and showed him the door (politely). I too can do the standard menu...

Wow, I'm sitting here on the train reading the Jan/Feb issue of TPV and I can hardly believe the statement I just came across. They picked the Sony SXRD-based front projector, the VPL-V100, aka the ruby, as the too product of the year...that isn't what shocked me however. They go on to say "...also outperforms Sony's own $30K Qualia 004 projector in every area but ultimate light output, and it costs $20,000 less to boot!"

WOW...I would be very upset if I were an 004 owner!

...The guy I had over here when I first got the TV charged me $275 for one input, and never touched the service menu. That's when I said, "Hey, thanks, I'm all set" and showed him the door (politely). I too can do the standard menu...

I think you are under estimating what can be done in the user menu. Many displays do not need service mode access to achieve the best PQ. Most front projectors are a good example of this. Unless you have access to quality test instruments and a modicum of skill in the area it is very unlikely that you can equal someone with a spectroradiometer and the proper test patterns.

I think you are under estimating what can be done in the user menu. Many displays do not need service mode access to achieve the best PQ. Most front projectors are a good example of this. Unless you have access to quality test instruments and a modicum of skill in the area it is very unlikely that you can equal someone with a spectroradiometer and the proper test patterns.


Oh, I agree with you, but it was the $275 PER INPUT that turned me off...

Thinking the unthinkable?

Michael Schumacher has admitted there is a chance - albeit a very small one - that he may not end his Formula One career with Ferrari, the team that has brought him five world championships.


Move over Kimi? Perhaps a traden im de seats? :eek:

Thinking the unthinkable? Michael Schumacher has admitted there is a chance - albeit a very small one - that he may not end his Formula One career with Ferrari, the team that has brought him five world championships.Move over Kimi? Perhaps a traden im de seats? :eek:Und I haff hurdt datt He und Ah-nult are formink dere own...

Motorcycle (mit Sidecar) Death-Defying Stunt Show!
Governator has a boo-boo (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/01/09/BAGNQGKH6P1.DTL)

Hey Dive-Dude,

Think I found someone for Mini-Dive to party with...

der Uber Groppenator haaf pinched one Fraulein too many and got his buttkickersmitten. :p

I think you are under estimating what can be done in the user menu. Many displays do not need service mode access to achieve the best PQ. Most front projectors are a good example of this. Unless you have access to quality test instruments and a modicum of skill in the area it is very unlikely that you can equal someone with a spectroradiometer and the proper test patterns.



Having used a few different excellent, and very well known ISF-certified calibrators in the past, I can tell you that UMR's pricing is EXCELLENT - very fair. Looks like it is based on the number of sources you have connected, rather than the number of inputs your set has, so that if you have a DVD player and a cable box and a satellite box all hooked up, he would calibrate those 3 inputs for the fee on his web site.

UMR - is that correct??

I know this won't be a popular sentiment shared by many, or any, other Q owners on this thread, but I'm not really rooting for Blu-Ray. The article above from Dolby (though admittedly not limited to BR players) helps illustrate why I say this. although it is given a great marketing spin by Dolby (Dolby has you covered...pfffft!), it shows that if you read carefully theses new hd players, more so the BR players in my estimation, will be loaded to the hilt with DRM features that will really frustrate consumers such as myself. Because Sony is behind BR I am guessing that they will greatly hinder, impede and/or outright disable full enjoyment by the consumer, which today means so much more than watching/listening when, where how in accordance with someone elses idea of the approriate manner.

I am speculating that this is at least one of the important reasons Microsoft chose to back HD-DVD...yes, the evil empire watching out for consumers...ok, not directly since their primary motivation is their own benefits.

Ok, sorry for the diatribe but this was something that came to mind the other day as I was pondering my position on the looming "war".

BR may be better from a technical aspect due to its higher initial capacity but, as a bleeding edge technology lover, even though it pains me to say this, I would settle for the lesser technology (if it can truly be said all around that HD-DVD even is the lesser of the two) before empowering content providers even further to limit my acess and all around enjoyment. :D


O.K., please decode. Are you saying that HD-DVD will allow you to make copies and Blue-Ray won't???

O.K., please decode. Are you saying that HD-DVD will allow you to make copies and Blue-Ray won't???My "read" on matters is that HD-DVD -- especially running on a PC or Mac -- will produce a data-stream that is far less challenging to manipulate (for personal use only!) than Blu-ray. This is a valuable point, and though BR has better storage specs I've been waffling between the two over this point -- especially given the recent Sony debacle...

O.K., please decode. Are you saying that HD-DVD will allow you to make copies and Blue-Ray won't???

Sorry, the decoder is licensed by the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray groups and their DRM specifications do not allow the unencrypted stream of consciousness to be openly transmitted; you need to have an HDCP/AACS compliant reader, plug into my HDMI port, do the official handshake, then access the information you seek :D

der Uber Groppenator haaf pinched one Fraulein too many and got his buttkickersmitten. :p

nice, very nice ;)

O.K., please decode. Are you saying that HD-DVD will allow you to make copies and Blue-Ray won't???

Seriously, bottom line, I don't trust Sony and/or the Blu-Ray association (i.e., their thirst to control content to the nth degree and squeeze every last cent out of the public, all the while screaming that pirates are robbing them blind :) ... ok, that sounded a little "conspiracy-theory-ish")...just a gut feeling...that coupled with the fact that I don't like the idea of popping in a disc and having that disc automagically update/upgrade my expensive player...have you been subject to those auotmagic upgrades/updates that get pushed to your digital cable box/DVR only to have everything go bonkers, unpredictably?!?

[EDIT: Also, I'm trying to do my part in answering jb007's call by spurring some discussion/debate while trying to keep it "technical" for pawrampe's sake (sorry, had to take one *last* shot)]

My "read" on matters is that HD-DVD -- especially running on a PC or Mac -- will produce a data-stream that is far less challenging to manipulate (for personal use only!) than Blu-ray. This is a valuable point, and though BR has better storage specs I've been waffling between the two over this point -- especially given the recent Sony debacle...

The fact that Microsoft and HP are lining up behind HD-DVD leads me to believe that HD-DVD will be more "open" and allow content to be used more freely (within the letter of the law, i'm not talking about piracy, although the way things are going that which we consider fair use today may be piracy tomorrow)

1. When is that Panny Blu-Ray player going to be available? How much?

2. Are they taking pre-orders :-)

3. Would you really buy it before L.o.A. is available?

1. Tony, I don't know. I can't find anybody that knows anything about it at this point and I don't know anybody at Panasonic.

2. Before L.o.A. - No.

After L.o.A. debut - Most likely as I also want a way to dump HD stuff onto Blu-ray discs and at this point, Panasonic is the only company advertising a Blu-ray Recorder.

I know this won't be a popular sentiment shared by many, or any, other Q owners on this thread, but I'm not really rooting for Blu-Ray
No problem, it's kinda like not rooting for the Yankees. Eventually they will always win.
Here's the studio support rooting list:

Blu Ray...EVERYBODY except Universal which has been rumored to maybe change.

Hd dvd will not have studio support from.......
Sony
MGM
Columbia Tri Star
Disney
Miramax
Fox.

B/r has hardware support from
Mitsubishi
Panasonic
Philips
Pioneer
Samsung
Sony
Ben Q
HP
Sharp
Yamaha
Zenith
Hitachi
LG

Did I mention all I freakin care about are TITLES.

503 posts to go in 7 days. That's 71.8571429 average posts per day. I don't know guys, it may be a squeeker :D
Did I mention that I found a brand new in box KILLER standard def. DVD player that I bought at an estate sale last weekend. :D

You guys will NEVER guess what the brand/model is but, in an attempt to Go For the Gold (503 posts in 7 days) I will start giving hints in a few hours. :)

I'm about to pull the trigger on the Qualia. It's definitely the best picture out there from my evaluation. I looked at the Mits, the Brillian, the JVC D-ILA. Nothing really compares….but is there anyt buyers remorse out there after the smoke from CES? Is the lack of a 1080P input something to wait for? Would really appreciate some feedback. Thanks

Is the lack of a 1080P input something to wait for? Would really appreciate some feedback. Thanks
If in the future you plan to spend (an additional) about 4K for a GOOD video processor to hook up to the display and you actually sit close enough to the screen to appreciate the difference, yes, wait.

I'm about to pull the trigger on the Qualia. It's definitely the best picture out there from my evaluation. I looked at the Mits, the Brillian, the JVC D-ILA. Nothing really compares….but is there anyt buyers remorse out there after the smoke from CES? Is the lack of a 1080P input something to wait for? Would really appreciate some feedback. Thanks

If you can wait until the end of this year, that would probably be best. The 70in. non-qualia will be out and it is rumored to have 1080p over hdmi.

A caveat to BenDover's post is that owners on the SXRD thread have been complaining about color uniformity issues and what not. All I'm saying is the new Sony 70" SXRD may be substantially cheaper than the Q006, have 1080p input, and maybe even an auto iris, but the question will be -- how does it's picture compare with the Q006. Food for thought.

A caveat to BenDover's post is that owners on the SXRD thread have been complaining about color uniformity issues and what not. All I'm saying is the new Sony 70" SXRD may be substantially cheaper than the Q006, have 1080p input, and maybe even an auto iris, but the question will be -- how does it's picture compare with the Q006. Food for thought.

Thank you, counselor :)

I’m in the computer industry and every time I buy a state of the art computer, it is outdated before I have all the software installed. This seems to be the predicament with HDTV right now. The Holy Grail seems to be SED, but you can’t wait forever. I’ve seen the color anomalies on the SXRD and it concerns me that I will be switching out TVs. The 006 doesn’t appear to have those issues. Besides, I would like to get a HDTV now not in 10 months. Hell, I might be dead then. Kinda the issue for me is do I but a stop gap 60 incher or buy a high ticket item now that might not have all the bells and whistles needed for the future. I’m stumped

I’m in the computer industry and every time I buy a state of the art computer, it is outdated before I have all the software installed. This seems to be the predicament with HDTV right now. The Holy Grail seems to be SED, but you can’t wait forever. I’ve seen the color anomalies on the SXRD and it concerns me that I will be switching out TVs. The 006 doesn’t appear to have those issues. Besides, I would like to get a HDTV now not in 10 months. Hell, I might be dead then. Kinda the issue for me is do I but a stop gap 60 incher or buy a high ticket item now that might not have all the bells and whistles needed for the future. I’m stumped

Your concerns about the future are legitimate, being in the computer industry, you understand how it works. There will always be something better tomorrow. However, reading your post above it seems to me, you want the Q006 now. No color anomaly issues. Available now. If I was buying today, I would still purchase the Qualia.

dd...........and this may be a special interest to kaduku.

I watched "Into the Blue" and I was quite amazed at the free-diving of Jessica and her boyfriend (who the hell cares what HIS name is) but, do you know if she and he did the actual free-diving themselves or if there were body/stunt doubles ?

Because they really do get some respectable depth for amateurs.

PM,
I heard that "what's his name" was able to get down to 100' by practicing during the shoot. Jessica said she would hold her breath during the takes while others were taking sips of air from the off-scene tanks. But Jessica did have a great free diving instructor - Flipper :D

I'm just amazed that Mr. Magellan was only amazed by Jessica's free diving ability, there were a couple of other things I was amazed by ;)

I'm about to pull the trigger on the Qualia. It's definitely the best picture out there from my evaluation. I looked at the Mits, the Brillian, the JVC D-ILA. Nothing really compares….but is there anyt buyers remorse out there after the smoke from CES? Is the lack of a 1080P input something to wait for? Would really appreciate some feedback. Thanks

I've seen the Q006 side by side with the XBR SXRD on two different occasions in two different stores. One was in the Sony store, where the Q006 was presumably calibrated by Sony technicians. The other was in a high-end store that has an ISF certified technician, and that was was known to be calibrated.

In both cases, the XBR SXRD was the hands down winner against the Q006. In my opinion, the differences weren't even debatable because we had multiple eyes on each test and everybody was in complete agreement. The most noticeable difference came in low level dark pictures. The Q006 images lost detail in dark images, and the XBR SXRD had fine levels of details in the dark images that you simply couldn't see in the Q006. And note: the Q006 is the 1st generation SXRD chips from Sony and the XBR TVs are 2nd gneration SXRD chips. So that might explain the differences.

That was a deal killer for me with the Q006: how could I buy a $13k TV when their consumer version looked better at 1/3 the cost?

The dumbo ears speakers on the XBR SXRD was the deal killer for me on this TV. I would have to widen my entertainment center by 6 inches to fit this TV that is 5 inches smaller than my current set -- in order to accomodate speakers that were absolutely of no use to me. (My audio system would be insulted by the presense of those Sony speakers.)

So I bought the Brillian 6580iFB instead. It arrived last Friday; and so far, it is very impressive. Even my wife can't believe how good it looks.

I’m in the computer industry and every time I buy a state of the art computer, it is outdated before I have all the software installed. This seems to be the predicament with HDTV right now. The Holy Grail seems to be SED, but you can’t wait forever. I’ve seen the color anomalies on the SXRD and it concerns me that I will be switching out TVs. The 006 doesn’t appear to have those issues. Besides, I would like to get a HDTV now not in 10 months. Hell, I might be dead then. Kinda the issue for me is do I but a stop gap 60 incher or buy a high ticket item now that might not have all the bells and whistles needed for the future. I’m stumped

dtblair,
The 006 is the best one available now and life is short. Enjoy it now. You can always get another TV when a better version comes out, but you can't get back those lost moments of enjoyment :)

I've seen the Q006 side by side with the XBR SXRD on two different occasions in two different stores. One was in the Sony store, where the Q006 was presumably calibrated by Sony technicians. The other was in a high-end store that has an ISF certified technician, and that was was known to be calibrated.

In both cases, the XBR SXRD was the hands down winner against the Q006. In my opinion, the differences weren't even debatable because we had multiple eyes on each test and everybody was in complete agreement. The most noticeable difference came in low level dark pictures. The Q006 images lost detail in dark images, and the XBR SXRD had fine levels of details in the dark images that you simply couldn't see in the Q006. And note: the Q006 is the 1st generation SXRD chips from Sony and the XBR TVs are 2nd gneration SXRD chips. So that might explain the differences.

That was a deal killer for me with the Q006: how could I buy a $13k TV when their consumer version looked better at 1/3 the cost?

The dumbo ears speakers on the XBR SXRD was the deal killer for me on this TV. I would have to widen my entertainment center by 6 inches to fit this TV that is 5 inches smaller than my current set -- in order to accomodate speakers that were absolutely of no use to me. (My audio system would be insulted by the presense of those Sony speakers.)

So I bought the Brillian 6580iFB instead. It arrived last Friday; and so far, it is very impressive. Even my wife can't believe how good it looks.

You must have been looking at a not very well set up Q006. Everyone else thinks it's great. I think you didn't get to see the whole picture, but the Brillian is a great TV. Hope you enjoy it as much as I am enjoying my TV.

Hey Dive-Dude,

Think I found someone for Mini-Dive to party with...

brt3,
Mini Dive is checking the web for tickets to go down under. He likes that Ausi grape drink :D

A caveat to BenDover's post is that owners on the SXRD thread have been complaining about color uniformity issues and what not. All I'm saying is the new Sony 70" SXRD may be substantially cheaper than the Q006, have 1080p input, and maybe even an auto iris, but the question will be -- how does it's picture compare with the Q006. Food for thought.

Probably not as good. I dont think the light engine or optics and build quality will be as good. The advanced iris and true 1080p inputs with a slim form factor will be hard to deny. If they can improve on the flaws the sxrd has i might be a owner.

Any screenshotss of your qualia jb? I think alot of peaple would like to see screenshots of a Umr tweaked qualia.

I've seen the Q006 side by side with the XBR SXRD on two different occasions in two different stores. One was in the Sony store, where the Q006 was presumably calibrated by Sony technicians.
Wrong presumption.

The dumbo ears speakers on the XBR SXRD.
Keep in mind most Qualians LOVE elephants and room/space limitations for the typical Qualian (even in California :eek: ) are essentially non-existent.

So I bought the Brillian 6580iFB instead. It arrived last Friday; and so far, it is very impressive. Even my wife can't believe how good it looks.
Good choice.
Too bad you have an aversion to elephants.

Now you just need an experienced calibrator that knows quite a bit about this particular brand to take you to video nirvana. :)

His name be..............................





further down......






further down.......



UMR. :D
(damn that guy knows somethin about displays even other than our SXRD's) :)

Besides, I would like to get a HDTV now not in 10 months.
My friend, you just answered your own question.

Plus, the non-Qualia 70" SXRD should debut in Oct. if all the stars allign properly.

Did I mention that I found a brand new in box KILLER standard def. DVD player that I bought at an estate sale last weekend. :D

You guys will NEVER guess what the brand/model is but, in an attempt to Go For the Gold (503 posts in 7 days) I will start giving hints in a few hours. :)
Hint #1 –

As I admit to paying much attention to the video core performance as measured by Secret’s Benchmark testing (as I do with exactly what instruments umr shows up with at the calibration session compared to other calibrators)

This player has……
1. A virtually flat frequency response.
2. Y/C delay is less than 5ns (which is within spec)
3. Black and white levels are within spec (white = 99.7 I.R.E.)
4. It is capable of reproducing below black picture information and above white information thus passing the FULL video signal with brightness and contrast settings set to 0 – where they should optimally be with every player if the manufacturers got it right.
5. There is NO macroblocking.
6. There is NO pixel cropping on the sides or top or bottom of the picture.

Not many players out there can do the above.

Hint #2-
To the best of my knowledge, this player sits in the #2 position on the list of all-time greatest DVD players as determined by Kris Derring of Secrets (in its category).

Hint #3
Umr has determined (via 006 calibrations) that the BEST way to feed a 480 anything signal to our display is via the component inputs predominantly I believe because there is less inherent filtering via this route.

Hint #4
I got this new player for less than half the MSRP and it cost me exactly 11 strips of Penton paper.

Hey, I'm not rich like all you other guys.

You must have been looking at a not very well set up Q006. Everyone else thinks it's great. I think you didn't get to see the whole picture, but the Brillian is a great TV. Hope you enjoy it as much as I am enjoying my TV.

It's a shamed beacuse I would have bought the Q006 had it looked as good as the XBR SXRD. I even told my friends that I had settled on the Q006 (and they thought I was crazy). You have to admit, there's something very stylishly elegant about the Q006 design. But after seeing it a second time at a second store, and viewing the same results, I couldn't do it.

I also could have mentioned that I actually saw the Q006 and XBR SXRD at a third store as well. But in this case, they weren't side-by-side, so I didn't draw any conclusions. Regardless, I did look for low level dark detail in the third store as well, and it also seemed a little lacking. Now, with that said...

I also spoke with Qualia in NY (I believe) about the 1080p inputs. They said that they would not discontinue the Q006 and come out with a new Q with 1080p inputs. Instead, they would update the Q006 with 1080p inputs via HDMI likely in 2006, and that they would offer a field upgrade to existing owners. I believe they mentioned a guestimate of $2000 for the field upgrade. But then again, this was a very technically minded sales girl, not necessarily somebody who spoke with the authority to categorically state Qualia's marketing plans.

Hint #5
Like the Penton motor-sickle, this DVD player is ..................
NO LONGER MANUFACTURED !

So, if you want to get one in mint condition you've got to get lucky at an estate sale or perhaps keep an eagle eye out on e-bay.

The dumbo ears speakers on the XBR SXRD was the deal killer for me on this TV. I would have to widen my entertainment center by 6 inches to fit this TV that is 5 inches smaller than my current set -- in order to accomodate speakers that were absolutely of no use to me. (My audio system would be insulted by the presense of those Sony speakers.)



PencilGeek,
If the SXRD wouldn't fit your entertainment center, how were you planning to fit a set as large as the 006 into it?

Hint #6
By hooking up this player it allowed me to free up another HDMI input for future High Definition component hook-ups. :D

Hint #7
I'm pissed at Sony Pictures for not including Lawrence of Arabia in its first 20 titles.

Hint #7
I'm pissed at Sony Pictures for not including Lawrence of Arabia in its first 20 titles.

PM,
I'm guessing it's not made by Sony :rolleyes:

Here is my pudooma, arcam?

I also spoke with Qualia in NY (I believe) about the 1080p inputs. They said that they would not discontinue the Q006 and come out with a new Q with 1080p inputs. Instead, they would update the Q006 with 1080p inputs via HDMI likely in 2006, and that they would offer a field upgrade to existing owners. I believe they mentioned a guestimate of $2000 for the field upgrade. But then again, this was a very technically minded sales girl, not necessarily somebody who spoke with the authority to categorically state Qualia's marketing plans.

Sounds very promising! All we can do now is just cross our fingers!

PM,
I'm guessing it's not made by Sony :rolleyes:
Good guess divedude !

Here is my pudooma, arcam?
Clooooooooooooooose.........but no SEE-GAR !
A model from that manufacturer is actually #3 on the all-time greatest list.

Mine is #2. :D

BTW........ You will probably enjoy this.............
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/06/1g_blu-ray_may_omit_features/

Looks like the only thing to date with a "full-profile" is Jessica or Panasonic.

Sounds very promising! All we can do now is just cross our fingers!
And toes !

Clooooooooooooooose.........but no SEE-GAR !
A model from that manufacturer is actually #3 on the all-time greatest list.

Mine is #2. :D

BTW........ You will probably enjoy this.............
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/06/1g_blu-ray_may_omit_features/

Looks like the only thing to date with a "full-profile" is Jessica or Panasonic.


amusing, but not surprising...i think these things are really much further away from prime-time than we know...sound like a product we all know, *cough* algolith *cough*

Any screenshotss of your qualia jb? I think alot of peaple would like to see screenshots of a Umr tweaked qualia.

It's really difficult to appreciate the beauty of the image from a screen shot, but here you are. Keep in mind, since I didn't use a flash, there may be some camera shake. These shots are from a DVD, ergo not HD.

I confess I feel like I've put ketchup on a steak served in a fine restaurant; but I believe umr would be the first one to tell you, adjust the settings to your taste. Accordingly, even though I have not had much of an opportunity to watch the Q006 since calibration, I have turned of cinema pro black to brighten the picture, and turned off direct mode to sharpen the picture. Otherwise, all is looking splendid :)

Did I mention that I found a brand new in box KILLER standard def. DVD player that I bought at an estate sale last weekend. :D

You guys will NEVER guess what the brand/model is but, in an attempt to Go For the Gold (503 posts in 7 days) I will start giving hints in a few hours. :)
Answer.....................

And in this corner, weighing in at a Whooping MSRP of……………










Tune in Friday for the final answer ! :D

PencilGeek,
If the SXRD wouldn't fit your entertainment center, how were you planning to fit a set as large as the 006 into it?

Believe it or not, I would only have to widen the entertainment center 1/4 inch to fit the Q006. If I removed the Q006 speakers (they are removeable), then the size dimentions are only 1/4" wider than my opening. I was planning to put two 1/4" spacers between the three sections bolting my center together, then cover up the 1/4" spacers with some hardwood oak trim. Pretty easy, actually.

Having used a few different excellent, and very well known ISF-certified calibrators in the past, I can tell you that UMR's pricing is EXCELLENT - very fair. Looks like it is based on the number of sources you have connected, rather than the number of inputs your set has, so that if you have a DVD player and a cable box and a satellite box all hooked up, he would calibrate those 3 inputs for the fee on his web site.

UMR - is that correct??

The price is only based on the display and not the sources. I will calibrate any source hooked to a given display for the price listed. Travel of course adds to the fee. I find this simplifies the whole process of counting sources, resolutions and inputs.

Hello Fellow Qualians,

I'm going to break down and buy a larger rack for my Qualia :(

I'm going with the Salamander Triple 20 which is a little taller than I'd like but it will accomadate my gear. I need more space!!

So, the Qualia is available to anyone in the Northern California/Tahoe/Reno:) area and to any AVS members who couldn't shell out the $1500 and wanted one here is your chance.... $500 and maybe some gas/lunch :rolleyes:

Send me a PM or e-mail.

James Elvick

Now that's a bargain! (unless of course you can get one for the P-M price ;))

Hint #2- To the best of my knowledge, this player sits in the #2 position on the list of all-time greatest DVD players as determined by Kris Derring of Secrets (in its category).Not sure what "in its' category" refers to, but the #2 player on The Kris List:

DVD Shootout... (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all)

would appear to be "The Big Black One" -- the Denon DVD-5910. If this is indeed the case you are a very lucky boy! Do tell more...

Wrong presumption.VERY wrong. Just yesterday I was at the Sony store at the Metreon in San Francisco. The Qualia 006 was the best-looking display in the entire store by a large margin. A broadcast crew that had been working the MacWorld Expo walked up behind me as I was looking, and they kept saying how the only set in the store they'd want to take home was the Q006.

That being said, they are clearly lax about calibration, as the worst-looking display in the entire store was the Qualia 005...

I confess I feel like I've put ketchup on a steak served in a fine restaurant; but I believe umr would be the first one to tell you, adjust the settings to your taste.Think of it as using low-sodium soy sauce in a fine sushi restaurant...

AFAIK, eyeballs & brains (it's a system, after all) are a liitle like snowflakes -- no two people's are the same...

Hint #7: I'm pissed at Sony Pictures for not including Lawrence of Arabia in its first 20 titles.That's a weak hint, bro -- unless one construes it to mean that you were driven over the edge by the prospect of Blu-Ray without LoA, which drove you to spend cash on a clapped-out, obsolete format...
:D

VERY wrong. Just yesterday I was at the Sony store at the Metreon in San Francisco. The Qualia 006 was the best-looking display in the entire store by a large margin. A broadcast crew that had been working the MacWorld Expo walked up behind me as I was looking, and they kept saying how the only set in the store they'd want to take home was the Q006.

That being said, they are clearly lax about calibration, as the worst-looking display in the entire store was the Qualia 005...

Sorry, but the "broadcast crew" statement is completely irrelevant because you never mentioned what else was in the store, what the Q006 was compared to (if they actually did a comparison at all), or were simply drueling over the exceptionally good looks of the Q006 design.

Notice my comparison was made on three systems, two side-by-side comparisons with the XBR SXRD, two known calibrated systems, multiple sets of eyes viewing identical content, and everybody coming to the same exact conclusion. I trust my results more than the random comments of a "broadcast crew" about which nothing is known of their qualifications, or the context of their comments.

This sounds dangerously close to a categorical belief that the Q006 is still the best looking display on the market even though its been on the market for a year already and isn't even Sony's current generation of SXRD (LCoS) technology. Personally, I think such a categorical statement would be foolhardy. One should always keep an open mind about the imminent obsolecense of a product -- especially in this industry (even if you already paid $13k for it).

Heck, I'm sure my Brillian will be obsolete in 6 months, if not 3 months -- but that's why I bought a Lumagen VisionPro HDP processor to try to make sure its imminent obsolecense was extened at least another year or more.

All you veteran Microdisplay owners, please vote on lamp life here;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=629175

amusing, but not surprising...i think these things are really much further away from prime-time than we know...sound like a product we all know, *cough* algolith *cough*
Careful, careful or you just may offend someone that enjoys showing up here once in a blue moon on Qualia thread milestones that you query for video processor answers, whom everyone else has learned to ignore.

On the Algolith threads, he is the PERPETUAL Algolith cheerleader and *insider* …..

But, of course, he may have a vested interest because apparently he’s sold a bunch of em. :rolleyes:

Not sure what "in its' category" refers to, but the #2 player on The Kris List:

DVD Shootout... (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all)

would appear to be "The Big Black One" -- the Denon DVD-5910. If this is indeed the case you are a very lucky boy! Do tell more...
Ah, so close ………….yet so far !

I will after lunch. :)

That's a weak hint, bro -- unless one construes it to mean that you were driven over the edge by the prospect of Blu-Ray without LoA, which drove you to spend cash on a clapped-out, obsolete format...
:D
It WAS a weak hint :D ........... I simply meant to eliminate Sony as the manufacturer of the DVD player in question, and to keep the process going. :D

which drove you to spend cash on a clapped-out, obsolete format...
:D
Hardly.
Finally someone that can keep everything in prospective.

I’m amazed by all the nit-picking about the qualities of different displays, different standard DVD players, different speakers and even different freakin CABLES :eek: :eek: on other threads by AVS forum members.( I just pursued the Blu-ray forum and it’s already begun over there).

When, if your typical next door neighbor walked into your home theater for a look-see or listen-to, he would be very hard-pressed to appreciate the difference, and probably never will.

On the other hand, I would bet that if/when you purchase the cheapest, piss-poor Blu-ray player or HDD player out there and throw in a Hi-Def disc, that picture will blow the socks off your neighbors feet !

I would have expected more AVS members to be enamored at the prospects of a magnitude increase in visual entertainment (despite its initial limitations and offerings) but, apparently alot would prefer to nit-pick it to death before even consumer models are available and prefer the saying……”You will have to yank my standard DVD player out of my cold dead hands….or some such thing.” :eek:

This sounds dangerously close to a categorical belief that the Q006 is still the best looking display on the market even though its been on the market for a year already and isn't even Sony's current generation of SXRD (LCoS) technology. Personally, I think such a categorical statement would be foolhardy.
RMAOL.......... :D :D :D

I ordered the HQV DVD in an effort to answer the question of which device to depend on for scaling and de-interlacing. I set the DVD player to 4:3 Pan Scan, and output of 480i over HDMI to test the TV. After that I set the DVD player to 16:9, 4:3 Full, and 1080i, and compared.

BTW, I by no means think that the NS975V is the end all be all of DVD players. I wanted to like the 3910 that I purchased, but it went south on me, and had to return prior to the HQV DVD arriving. Crappy build quality on that 3910 that I had turned me off to Denon...

Color bar/Vertical detail - The DVD player showed this as rock solid. The TV alone messed with the spacing a bit and was flickering at the bottom of zone 1. DVD wins.

Jaggies - The DVD player had noticeably less Jaggies appear on all three Jaggies tests, and they appeared less frequently. DVD Wins.

Detail enhancement - I needed to use both the capabilities of the TV and DVD player to make this PASS. On the TV, raised DTE and Detail to Medium and on the DVD player raised the sharpness to 2. That resulted in the most detail to be seen in this test. You would be surprised how well this test shows the effects of DTE, Detail and the sharpness controls for the respective devices. Use both.

Noise reduction - I needed to use the TV NR, and set that to high to pass the test. TV won, but the DVD player does not offer NR.

3-2 Detection - I needed to use the DVD player at 16:9 and 1080i to pass this test. TV takes longer on it's own to resolve the detail in the stands than does the DVD player. I have the TV on Cinemotion and Mode 3. DVD player won.

Film Cadence - Well DVD and TV did about the same job. Use DVD.

Mixed 3:2 Film with added video titles - Neither the TV nor the DVD player could deal with the Horizontal scrolling text without distortion of the text. Neither win. Vertical scrolling was fine. Side note, I have never seen this to be an issue in anything other than the HQV DVD.


I hear what your saying about the conversation in this thread, and that there are not many things to report on... I guess when I check the thread I'm looking for the latest info, but find out instead, how people like to eat spam or something along those lines instead. It's very fustrating having to scroll past the personal conversations to get to some meat.

I don't mean to offend, so thanks for hearing me out... :) I'll shut up now about it... I feel better... lol

For anyone curious:

So I decided to give Denon one last chance, and picked up a new 3910. When set to HDMI/1080i/RGB/Video2, this is what you get...

It passes every test. The Jaggies test was rock solid. The flag test had no jaggies, and the backround behind the flag no longer gets blended together following the path of the flag. Not only that, but the color sensitivity/range produced by this player, picture texture detail and the audio quality burried the Sony. The candence tests were all rock solid whereas the Sony was only good on 24fps 3-2. Those are the advantages that you'll find if you go to a higher end player.

And again, the DVD player is much better at scaling and de-interlacing.

My 2 cents.

For anyone curious:

So I decided to give Denon one last chance, and picked up a new 3910. When set to HDMI/1080i/RGB/Video2, this is what you get...

It passes every test. The Jaggies test was rock solid. The flag test had no jaggies, and the backround behind the flag no longer gets blended together following the path of the flag. Not only that, but the color sensitivity/range produced by this player, picture texture detail and the audio quality burried the Sony. The candence tests were all rock solid whereas the Sony was only good on 24fps 3-2. Those are the advantages that you'll find if you go to a higher end player.

And again, the DVD player is much better at scaling and de-interlacing.

My 2 cents.

Yup, I ordered the HQV disc when it was first available and offered to AVSForum members. My 3910 is configured exactly as the configuration you used to report these results and I found the same thing...actually quite boring...it passed every test :)

IIRC, some of the tests I found hard to make a determination on, the tests with the coffee cup...maybe the coffee was distracting me...coffee, my only vice...well, that and my affliction of spending tens of thousands of dollars on computer and a/v equipment :D

Another member here also has the 3910 and ran the HQV disc through it mated to the Q as well and reported the same, boring, results :)

Did you try switching from RGB to YCrCb? I set mine to RGB based on my reading of some information on the Secrets site but can't recall exactly why now ...

Would love to get my hands on a 5910 for a relative comparison when mated to my Q!

I liked the colors on RGB better so I went with it.

On the coffee cup scene, you'll notice the differences in selecting Video1 and video2 in the setup menu. Video 2 being the better choice. It might be called Auto and not Video, not sure.

Really makes the NS975V look like crap... :)

I have looked at the SXRDs at 4 different stores, the JVC H-IDL at two, the Brillian at the Brillian R&D office, and the Qualia. The Qualia was set up right next to the JVC and SXRD. The first time I looked at the Qualia, it looked absolutely awful. I stopped a sales rep and questioned what was going on. He had no clue but agreed something was amiss. SO I kinda ruled the Qualia out. Went to look at the Brillian, looked ok but not wow. I spent 45 minutes talking directly with their ISF guy and VP of sales. They did spend a great amount of time with me and I was impressed with the HD, but when they switched to SD the Brillian had hugh pincushioning on the side bars. They admitted that was a convergence issue. "All TVs have some issues". So then we started talking about the issue of Brillian not truley accepting a 1080i signal ( you can read it in other AVS forums) in that it takes a 540 and upscales. He said yes "but look at the picture. See any jaggies?"

So I went back to look at the SXRD and JVC and was blown away by the Qualia. They had fixed whatever was wrong and there was no comparison between the other sets. All the same feed, same room. No comparison. It was WOW. I gotta feel right now IMHO the Qualia is the best picture out there

This sounds dangerously close to a categorical belief that the Q006 is still the best looking display on the market even though its been on the market for a year already and isn't even Sony's current generation of SXRD (LCoS) technology. Personally, I think such a categorical statement would be foolhardy. One should always keep an open mind about the imminent obsolecense of a product -- especially in this industry (even if you already paid $13k for it).


Some people (even non owners) are still saying this after a year, or at least saying that it's still comparable to the newer sets.

Even you were comparing the Q with the newer sets :D

Qualians are known to make foolhardy statements, besides this is our thread!

It's really difficult to appreciate the beauty of the image from a screen shot, but here you are. Keep in mind, since I didn't use a flash, there may be some camera shake. These shots are from a DVD, ergo not HD.

Looks familiar. Charlotte Gray. The scene of the train passing over the bridge in
S/D DVD is so good on the Qualia its almost HD. Good test of your dvd player and the Qualia.

For anyone curious:

So I decided to give Denon one last chance, and picked up a new 3910. When set to HDMI/1080i/RGB/Video2, this is what you get...

It passes every test. The Jaggies test was rock solid. The flag test had no jaggies, and the backround behind the flag no longer gets blended together following the path of the flag. Not only that, but the color sensitivity/range produced by this player, picture texture detail and the audio quality burried the Sony. The candence tests were all rock solid whereas the Sony was only good on 24fps 3-2. Those are the advantages that you'll find if you go to a higher end player.



Good to hear that my 3910 is still one of best players out there.

Sorry, but the "broadcast crew" statement is completely irrelevant because you never mentioned what else was in the store, what the Q006 was compared to (if they actually did a comparison at all), or were simply drueling over the exceptionally good looks of the Q006 design.

Notice my comparison was made on three systems, two side-by-side comparisons with the XBR SXRD, two known calibrated systems, multiple sets of eyes viewing identical content, and everybody coming to the same exact conclusion. I trust my results more than the random comments of a "broadcast crew" about which nothing is known of their qualifications, or the context of their comments.

This sounds dangerously close to a categorical belief that the Q006 is still the best looking display on the market even though its been on the market for a year already and isn't even Sony's current generation of SXRD (LCoS) technology. Personally, I think such a categorical statement would be foolhardy. One should always keep an open mind about the imminent obsolecense of a product -- especially in this industry (even if you already paid $13k for it).

Heck, I'm sure my Brillian will be obsolete in 6 months, if not 3 months -- but that's why I bought a Lumagen VisionPro HDP processor to try to make sure its imminent obsolecense was extened at least another year or more.Wow -- that's what can be referred to as a "Woodie" around here. Though I normally ignore blatant trolling, something about the hubris in your response is just generally irksome.

Your "assumption" that we are blinded, somehow, by the fact we spent $10-$13K has a fundamental flaw; we all bought the Q006 because we wouldn't settle for anything less than the best. If something better comes out tomorrow I plan on buying it for video room #2 (AKA, The Family Room), and will compare it ad nauseum to the Q006. My personal self-worth is not caught up in whether or not someone likes my TV set. I could also care less about whether someone works in the TV industry -- although that helps qualify their reaction to a set. Broadcast people typically know how to look through the fallacies of "showroom setup", and are not impressed by Vivid settings, etc., that are designed to elicit the "WOW" response from the consumer. To suggest that somehow their comments regarding the Q006 as "the best-looking display" in the store meant that it had the best-looking case is to ignore the context of my entire post, as well as being literal to the point of blindness.

And, BTW, it's time to start qualifying these "you spent $13K for your set; of course you can't see that something else is better" as exactly what they are -- worthless drivel undeserving of a response, that only p*ss me off because it's so easy to cast stones at people who spend a lot for things -- and so easy to assume that they're probably just wealthy and don't know any better.

I really hope you love and enjoy your Brillian in your setup, and that it keeps you "drueling"-ly happy. Anyone who enjoys their Sony SXRD (non-Qualia) versions is OK by me as well. To each his own. But, in your haste to correct someone over an unscientific approach, you forgot that your rigidly constructed "review" was predicated on the supposition that Sony Stores actually calibrate each display, and you conveniently ignored the CONTEXT of my response -- which points out how the most expensive set in the Sony Store -- the Q005 -- had the poorest calibration.

In my case, I actually WANTED to like the "baby" SXRD sets, as I hoped to buy one to replace the festering pustule of a plasma in my other room. It's not that bad, actually, but the Qualia has rendered it unwatchable.

Regardless, I have compared these displays -- the 50" & 60" SXRD -- to the Qualia on more than one occasion now (three, to be exact). I won't be taking one home, as it has a number of PQ issues that are not present in my Qualia (for more details search this thread).

Your "assumption" that we are blinded, somehow, by the fact we spent $10-$13K has a fundamental flaw; we all bought the Q006 because we wouldn't settle for anything less than the best. If something better comes out tomorrow I plan on buying it for video room #2 (AKA, The Family Room), and will compare it ad nauseum to the Q006. My personal self-worth is not caught up in whether or not someone likes my TV set. I could also care less about whether someone works in the TV industry -- although that helps qualify their reaction to a set. Broadcast people typically know how to look through the fallacies of "showroom setup", and are not impressed by Vivid settings, etc., that are designed to elicit the "WOW" response from the consumer. To suggest that somehow their comments regarding the Q006 as "the best-looking display" in the store meant that it had the best-looking case is to ignore the context of my entire post, as well as being literal to the point of blindness.

And, BTW, it's time to start qualifying these "you spent $13K for your set; of course you can't see that something else is better" as exactly what they are -- worthless drivel undeserving of a response, that only p*ss me off because it's so easy to cast stones at people who spend a lot for things -- and so easy to assume that they're probably just wealthy and don't know any better.

I really hope you love and enjoy your Brillian in your setup, and that it keeps you "drueling"-ly happy. Anyone who enjoys their Sony SXRD (non-Qualia) versions is OK by me as well. To each his own. But, in your haste to correct someone over an unscientific approach, you forgot that your rigidly constructed "review" was predicated on the supposition that Sony Stores actually calibrate each display, and you conveniently ignored the CONTEXT of my response -- which points out how the most expensive set in the Sony Store -- the Q005 -- had the poorest calibration.



Congratulations PencilGeek, you've just pissed off the one of the most nicest guys in this thread, first time too! :D

Congratulations PencilGeek, you've just pissed off the one of the most nicest guys in this thread, first time too! :DHey, it happens to the best of us! Although that was -- on the Penton/Richter Scale -- a pretty mild response...
:D

Hey, it happens to the best of us! Although that was -- on the Penton/Richter Scale -- a pretty mild response...
:D


Is that your angry face now! :D

Hey, it happens to the best of us! Although that was -- on the Penton/Richter Scale -- a pretty mild response...
:D
Who ...........ME.............otherwise known as the PeaceMaker ? :D

I knew where we were headed as soon as he made the derogatory “dumbo ears” comment. ;)

Did I mention that I found a brand new in box KILLER standard def. DVD player that I bought at an estate sale last weekend. :D

You guys will NEVER guess what the brand/model is but, in an attempt to Go For the Gold (503 posts in 7 days) I will start giving hints in a few hours. :)
Answer…………

And in this corner, weighing in at Whooping MSRP of……………

$229. :eek: ( for which I paid $110. at the estate sale :D ),

Wearing silver trunks,

The Panny from Japan-EE !

The ReaPer and a Keeper !

Posting a professional record of 82 and 0 !

the #2 ranked component DVD player in the World !

The Panasonic RP82………….(thunderous applause)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5587388&&#post5587388

Who ...........ME.............otherwise known as the PeaceMaker ? :D

Well, you have fired one round of the six the Peacemaker holds.
Are those your silver bullets kimo sabe ?

Are those your silver bullets kimo sabe ?
Simple brass for a smart-ass. ;)

Answer…………

The Panasonic RP82………….(thunderous applause)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5587388&&#post5587388
Being the “Trust But VERIFY” type person I am :D , I’ve already hooked her up and plugged in the super secret code to check how many hours were REALLY on this unit and the cute little display read 00000, etc. :)

I shall break ground tonight with the recently released….
“The Constant Gardener”

Good to hear that my 3910 is still one of best players out there.
Well check out my link above and roll down to the category...........

"HDMI if Display is NOT subject to MacroBlocking" :)

I shall break ground tonight with the recently released….
“The Constant Gardener”Though Jessica Alba is undoubtedly a better swimmer, I've always been a Rachael Weisz kinda guy...

In my dreams, at least...

:D

Is that your angry face now! :DYou noticed, eh?

Well, you have fired one round of the six the Peacemaker holds.
Are those your silver bullets kimo sabe ?And I always figured Penton-Man for a Glock man...

[QUOTE=Penton-Man]Answer…………

And in this corner, weighing in at Whooping MSRP of……………

$229. :eek: ( for which I paid $110. at the estate sale :D ),

Wearing silver trunks,

The Panny from Japan-EE !


Hey umr ......

I thought we told these guys how much you liked mine at calibration time and we were wondering about all the fuss on the high end ( Penton-Paper) DVD units?

"My boy, my boy .... your're a good boy ... but you just don't listen"

Always pay attention to what umr is saying .... the man knows his equipment. :p

[QUOTE=Penton-Man]Answer…………

And in this corner, weighing in at Whooping MSRP of……………

$229. :eek: ( for which I paid $110. at the estate sale :D ),

Wearing silver trunks,

The Panny from Japan-EE !


Hey umr ......

I thought we told these guys how much you liked mine at calibration time and we were wondering about all the fuss on the high end ( Penton-Paper) DVD units?

"My boy, my boy .... your're a good boy ... but you just don't listen"

Always pay attention to what umr is saying .... the man knows his equipment. :p
Hey, Neo, I didn't recall that post and call from umr !

I never knew you also had the Panny from Japan-EE !!!!!!

MPSAN................Got rain ? :D

Neo or umr,
Did you guys decide on whether it was better (PQ-wise) to run 480i or 480p into the 006 ?

I'm too lazy to experiment. :o

Congratulations PencilGeek, you've just pissed off the one of the most nicest guys in this thread, first time too! :D
Geez........................

And I thought brt was just ....all looks !

Geez.... And I thought brt was just ....all looks !Although I do need a good back-waxing and a flea-dip, eh? :D

BTW, I'm having fun with an intersting little A/V system -- the Denon S-301. Got it hooked up to a Sony Bravia XBR of the 26" variety. This thing offers about any silver disc format -- unlike the Evil Sony all-in-ones, which do NOT play DVD-Audio -- along with AM/FM, USB input from MP3 players, and a very well-implemented iPod interface. Also gives you 2.1 sound, and -- I was surprised by this -- the thing doesn't sound half bad! Also, the DVD section is a lift -- I think -- from the Denon DVD-1920, and it gives a very nice image feeding the Bravia 720P over HDMI. This makes a killer baby system for our exercise/rehab room. Dive-Dude -- you should look at this for your Bravia -- unless you've got something really smokin' hooked up...

Believe it or not, I would only have to widen the entertainment center 1/4 inch to fit the Q006. If I removed the Q006 speakers (they are removeable), then the size dimentions are only 1/4" wider than my opening. I was planning to put two 1/4" spacers between the three sections bolting my center together, then cover up the 1/4" spacers with some hardwood oak trim. Pretty easy, actually.

PencilGeek,
Thanks for the answer, I didn't realise the speakers on the SXRD were so wide. :o

Wow -- that's what can be referred to as a "Woodie" around here. Though I normally ignore blatant trolling, something about the hubris in your response is just generally irksome.

Your "assumption" that we are blinded, somehow, by the fact we spent $10-$13K has a fundamental flaw; we all bought the Q006 because we wouldn't settle for anything less than the best. If something better comes out tomorrow I plan on buying it for video room #2 (AKA, The Family Room), and will compare it ad nauseum to the Q006. My personal self-worth is not caught up in whether or not someone likes my TV set. I could also care less about whether someone works in the TV industry -- although that helps qualify their reaction to a set. Broadcast people typically know how to look through the fallacies of "showroom setup", and are not impressed by Vivid settings, etc., that are designed to elicit the "WOW" response from the consumer. To suggest that somehow their comments regarding the Q006 as "the best-looking display" in the store meant that it had the best-looking case is to ignore the context of my entire post, as well as being literal to the point of blindness.

And, BTW, it's time to start qualifying these "you spent $13K for your set; of course you can't see that something else is better" as exactly what they are -- worthless drivel undeserving of a response, that only p*ss me off because it's so easy to cast stones at people who spend a lot for things -- and so easy to assume that they're probably just wealthy and don't know any better.

I really hope you love and enjoy your Brillian in your setup, and that it keeps you "drueling"-ly happy. Anyone who enjoys their Sony SXRD (non-Qualia) versions is OK by me as well. To each his own. But, in your haste to correct someone over an unscientific approach, you forgot that your rigidly constructed "review" was predicated on the supposition that Sony Stores actually calibrate each display, and you conveniently ignored the CONTEXT of my response -- which points out how the most expensive set in the Sony Store -- the Q005 -- had the poorest calibration.

In my case, I actually WANTED to like the "baby" SXRD sets, as I hoped to buy one to replace the festering pustule of a plasma in my other room. It's not that bad, actually, but the Qualia has rendered it unwatchable.

Regardless, I have compared these displays -- the 50" & 60" SXRD -- to the Qualia on more than one occasion now (three, to be exact). I won't be taking one home, as it has a number of PQ issues that are not present in my Qualia (for more details search this thread).

brt3,
I too have done the side by side comparisons, as documented in this thread back when the SXRD's came out. I was looking for a bedroom TV. And I am in total agreement with you.

Man O Man, have you guys ever been busy posting. And all I did today was go out and buy a new toy :)

Man O Man, have you guys ever been busy posting. And all I did today was go out and buy a new toy :)You're not getting off that easy; DD! How come everyone around here is pulling a Penton? Out with it -- if it's at all A/V (or auto) related, enquiring minds wanna know. If you got a Denon S301 you work pretty quickly...
:D

Hey guys thanks for the input and great info on this forum. I originally asked about the stand height and got some great info. Well after putting tape up where the Q006 would sit on a nice stand to get a in house idea before hand I found out there is a Sony Style store here in Providence, RI and they have Q006 with the Sony stand! So I went there today and took a look and I must say it does look really nice with the set and puts it at the perfect height. Well the sales person came over and we started to talk some of placement and distance from the set. He felt my seating distance of 10 feet is still too close for this set and I would have better results at 12 to 15 feet. Well I am maxed at 10 feet for viewing distance and I can’t change that. He then said at that distance I might enjoy the 60" XBR set. Well I hate to say but the 60" XBR did look more vibrant and crisp which is my preference. Now the source HD was on the Q006 and a DVD on the 60" XBR so I had him put the DVD in the Q006 and it had a much softer picture. I am thinking wait this cant be! The Q006 has better optics, bright better color producing bulb, not confirmed but told better video processor and scalers, to include video filtering and of course a much better sound system (something I don’t care about). So now I just got home and decided one thing if I do finalize my purchase of the Q006 I will go with the Sony stand it does finish the set nicely and puts it at the perfect viewing height. When I mentioned going to the Sony store to my stereo video pro who cant sell the Q006's he said it is a great set and not to basis anything on the feed at the store so I am coming here for some advice.

Is my seating distance of 10" really to close for the Qualia?

I know you can sit close to the set but am I better off going with the 60" XBR due
to seating distance?

Money is not the worry here the set is already paid for but I don’t want to spend an additional 6000+ for the Qualia when I might be better served by the 60" XBR.
I do like a vibrant, crisp bright picture which the 60" XBR seemed to have. On a good note the Sony sales guy was being nice and helped with input on what he really thought would be the best TV for my room. Very commendable to come really close to convincing me that the Q006 was not right and lose a big sale.

So everything is on hold now till I hear back from you guys. After reading everything here I don’t think you are biased on the Q006 and will have some great input on how to proceed. So for now the decision is the Q006 with Sony Stand or the 60” XBR with stand to be determined due to more options with smaller set.

Thanks again….

PS I felt it might be important to add what I watch.

Cox HD Digital feed record or watch all HD feeds of local networks when availible, other than that SD analog source. At this time I have the Motorola box with DVI out but can swap it for one with HDMI as well. DVD's all widescreen will update to an HD DVD (when things settle) or get a upscaling HDMI unit now for DVD's which I watch alot of.

Wow -- that's what can be referred to as a "Woodie" around here. Though I normally ignore blatant trolling, something about the hubris in your response is just generally irksome.


Excuse me?

I don't think you have any idea what hubris means, because you used it completely incorrectly. There was nothing in my posting that was overly prideful, or even remotely inferred that "my crap was better than yours." On the contrary, I was quite defferential of my crap, and quite flattering of the Q006. I also said that my crap (just like yours) will be obsolete nearly as soon as I take it home, and that's why I took some measures to prevent that from happening. To think otherwise, is the epitome of hubris.

You also made the assumption (incorrectly so), that I assumed one of the Q006's was calibrated because it was in the Sony store. If you read what I wrote a little more carefully, you would see that I said I knew it was calibrated, but I PRESUMED it was done by Sony personnel (because it was in a Sony store). I don't know if that distinction even matters to you, but clearly you missed this point.


Your "assumption" that we are blinded, somehow, by the fact we spent $10-$13K has a fundamental flaw; we all bought the Q006 because we wouldn't settle for anything less than the best.

If that's REALLY the case, then why didn't you spend $50k - $100k on a studio monitor instead? Talk about a fundamental flaw in reasoning.

Even though I was very careful to make sure I never accused anybody of trying to defend their $13k investment, it sounds like that's exactly what you're doing. Personally, I could care less. You don't need to defend your purchases to me or anybody else; you have a perfect right to buy whatever you want. The only person I need to defend my purchases against, is my wife, and believe me, I do a lot of defending because I have many, MANY more times $$$ invested in my system than the cost of a Q006.

Next time you want to flame somebody , at least make an attempt to understand what they were trying to communicate instead of flying off the handle in some type of knee-jerk manner that proves the point you thought I was trying to make (but wasn't) more than your own.

He felt my seating distance of 10 feet is still too close for this set and I would have better results at 12 to 15 feet. Well I am maxed at 10 feet for viewing distance and I can’t change that. He then said at that distance I might enjoy the 60" XBR set.

10 feet is Ok with HD sources. You will not be able to see the pixels. SD sources might be a bit hard on your eyes. I find that at ten feet you are really absorbed into what you are viewing as the screen now encompasses much of your peripheral vision.

Well I hate to say but the 60" XBR did look more vibrant and crisp which is my preference. Now the source HD was on the Q006 and a DVD on the 60" XBR so I had him put the DVD in the Q006 and it had a much softer picture. I am thinking wait this cant be! The Q006 has better optics, bright better color producing bulb, not confirmed but told better video processor and scalers, to include video filtering and of course a much better sound system (something I don’t care about).

You need to make sure you are comparing apples to apples. I don't know about the 60XBR but the Qualia 006 has 3 picture modes. Vivid, Standard and Pro.
You have to know which picture mode the 006 was in in order to compare it to the XBR. Each 006 picture mode being less bright and softer than the other. Showroom displays usually tend to have bright eye popping display setups.
Many viewers find at home with subdued or controlled lighting that bright picture is irritating.

...Well the sales person came over and we started to talk some of placement and distance from the set. He felt my seating distance of 10 feet is still too close for this set and I would have better results at 12 to 15 feet. Well I am maxed at 10 feet for viewing distance and I can’t change that. He then said at that distance I might enjoy the 60" XBR set... Is my seating distance of 10" really to close for the Qualia?I have a ten-foot viewing distance with my Qualia and love it. My biggest problem with the 50"/60" SXRD was how noticeable the pixel structure gets at viewing distances that are no problem with the Q006...

DMP2722

That salesman is retarded.................. You either trust that clueless wanker or put your faith in this crusty lot of Qualians.

I have moved myself even closer to my shrine and now sit about 7-8ft away. The picture is just wicked cool and you just feel immersed at that distance......like part of the action (I'm sitting closer so I can jump in and hand our hero Jack Bauer an extra magazine or two as he never seems to pack enough ammo). Other than BattleStar Galactica (for purely nerd type reasons) I try and watch as little SD as possible. It just looks so primitive at 8 ft or 18 ft.


I have attached a really cool picture of a Schwinn Bike off the Qualia so you can see what you get at close viewing distances................ Penton has lots of experience with bikes and I am sure he would agree that is one outstanding bike. :)

I have attached a really cool picture of a Schwinn Bike off the Qualia so you can see what you get at close viewing distances................ Penton has lots of experience with bikes and I am sure he would agree that is one outstanding bike. :)Ride, Sally, ride!

Is my seating distance of 10" really to close for the Qualia?




DMP2722,

The Qualia 006 manual shows 8' as the minimum distance. You will be in heaven with the 006 :D

You're not getting off that easy; DD! How come everyone around here is pulling a Penton? Out with it -- if it's at all A/V (or auto) related, enquiring minds wanna know. If you got a Denon S301 you work pretty quickly...
:D

brt3,
Mini Dive is playing with it now, but I will post a picture later this afternoon. Hint: it is something I have always wanted, and unfortunately it is not Jessica Alba :D

A common rule of thumb is to sit back a distance equal to 1.5x the picture diagonal.

"Red Eye" is an excellent movie. Very exciting.

I am on the New Toy bandwagon - mine is the pocket pc 6700 with sprint (heh ok only a minor toy) but its nice to have a decent pda/cell phone/web browser and with a bluetooth gps unit for it I can finally converge all those pesky functionalities into one! PDAs have always been a bane for me as trying to keep them charged up and with me just doesn't work not to mention the cellphone/pda war for space on my belt (in the pocket is electronics suicide). Its nice to see they are starting to get a clue about putting simple functionalities together.

Is my seating distance of 10" really to close for the Qualia?

I know you can sit close to the set but am I better off going with the 60" XBR due
to seating distance?



I have a 12 feet distance, and the Q seems to be getting smaller and smaller. I would love to be at 10 feet, to get that first time immersed feeling again when I first powered up the Q. The 60 incher will seem so small after a few months of viewing. I used to be that type of person that loved that bright crisp picture look, but after following the recommendations from other owners, and going to a less brighter picture with a slightly softer look, I now have, along with the size, a true cinema experience with this TV. I am a movie buff, and often go to the movies by myself (wife don't care for movies), I hardly go now, as long as I have my Q and Netflix, it's like being at the movies :D

10 feet is Ok with HD sources. You will not be able to see the pixels. SD sources might be a bit hard on your eyes. I find that at ten feet you are really absorbed into what you are viewing as the screen now encompasses much of your peripheral vision.



You need to make sure you are comparing apples to apples. I don't know about the 60XBR but the Qualia 006 has 3 picture modes. Vivid, Standard and Pro.
You have to know which picture mode the 006 was in in order to compare it to the XBR. Each 006 picture mode being less bright and softer than the other. Showroom displays usually tend to have bright eye popping display setups.
Many viewers find at home with subdued or controlled lighting that bright picture is irritating.

I think a person would also need to know how many hours are on the Q bulb...if it is a showroom model, it is likely that sucker has been "burning" for at least 12 hours/day, seven days a week, since they got it in the store...

My personal opinion on the distance, and it isn't related to being able to see pixels, etc., but related to that effect you have when sitting too close in a movie theater...it is just too straining on my eyes/brain to sit closer than 9 ft...i think 10 ft is fine...the Qualia store in NYC has two viewing positions set up, one is 9-10ft, the other is about 12-14 ft...i recall both being fine, but any closer and i couldn't deal with such a large screen.

I have a ten-foot viewing distance with my Qualia and love it. My biggest problem with the 50"/60" SXRD was how noticeable the pixel structure gets at viewing distances that are no problem with the Q006...


Really, i thought the pixel structure was even less discernible on the 50/60 inch models and this would seem to correspond to the higher fill factor on the 50/60 SXRD chips.

i know i put my nose up to the glass and couldn't make out the pixels any better than i do on my Q.

DMP2722

That salesman is retarded.................. You either trust that clueless wanker or put your faith in this crusty lot of Qualians.

I have moved myself even closer to my shrine and now sit about 7-8ft away. The picture is just wicked cool and you just feel immersed at that distance......like part of the action (I'm sitting closer so I can jump in and hand our hero Jack Bauer an extra magazine or two as he never seems to pack enough ammo). Other than BattleStar Galactica (for purely nerd type reasons) I try and watch as little SD as possible. It just looks so primitive at 8 ft or 18 ft.


I have attached a really cool picture of a Schwinn Bike off the Qualia so you can see what you get at close viewing distances................ Penton has lots of experience with bikes and I am sure he would agree that is one outstanding bike. :)


my wife looks over my shoulder as i click on your link, fully expecting to just see a bike! LOL


nice, very nice!

I have a 12 feet distance, and the Q seems to be getting smaller and smaller. I would love to be at 10 feet, to get that first time immersed feeling again when I first powered up the Q. The 60 incher will seem so small after a few months of viewing. I used to be that type of person that loved that bright crisp picture look, but after following the recommendations from other owners, and going to a less brighter picture with a slightly softer look, I now have, along with the size, a true cinema experience with this TV. I am a movie buff, and often go to the movies by myself (wife don't care for movies), I hardly go now, as long as I have my Q and Netflix, it's like being at the movies :D


My Q is in an environment in which light is tightly controlled; as such, i find the very bright, vivid mode to be blinding. completely blacked out room+backlighting, seems to really enhance my viewing experience.

I have a 12 feet distance, and the Q seems to be getting smaller and smaller. I would love to be at 10 feet, to get that first time immersed feeling again when I first powered up the Q. The 60 incher will seem so small after a few months of viewing. I used to be that type of person that loved that bright crisp picture look, but after following the recommendations from other owners, and going to a less brighter picture with a slightly softer look, I now have, along with the size, a true cinema experience with this TV. I am a movie buff, and often go to the movies by myself (wife don't care for movies), I hardly go now, as long as I have my Q and Netflix, it's like being at the movies :D

kaduku,
My Lazyboy is at 12'. Part of the time, I am at my PC 21' away watching it. And I know I would also be happy if I were 10' away. Just goes to show how versatile the 006 is.

I think a person would also need to know how many hours are on the Q bulb...if it is a showroom model, it is likely that sucker has been "burning" for at least 12 hours/day, seven days a week, since they got it in the store...

My personal opinion on the distance, and it isn't related to being able to see pixels, etc., but related to that effect you have when sitting too close in a movie theater...it is just too straining on my eyes/brain to sit closer than 9 ft...i think 10 ft is fine...the Qualia store in NYC has two viewing positions set up, one is 9-10ft, the other is about 12-14 ft...i recall both being fine, but any closer and i couldn't deal with such a large screen.

You bring up a very good point, some owners here have reported that their bulb needed replacing only after a few months. In fact, my brightness has dimmed down considerably, to a point where I can understand someone not being impressed at all with it and liking a totally brand new 60 incher with a fairly new bulb in it.

I also agree with the distance, don't go closer than 10 feet, especially if you plan to watch SD also!

You're not getting off that easy; DD! How come everyone around here is pulling a Penton? Out with it -- if it's at all A/V (or auto) related, enquiring minds wanna know. If you got a Denon S301 you work pretty quickly...
:D


Guys,
Just got back from a great drive. It has been a while since I've had a 'vette, and I've always wanted a convertible model. Mini Dive and I really like the "Heads-up display". :)

Although I do need a good back-waxing and a flea-dip, eh? :D

BTW, I'm having fun with an intersting little A/V system -- the Denon S-301. Got it hooked up to a Sony Bravia XBR of the 26" variety. This thing offers about any silver disc format -- unlike the Evil Sony all-in-ones, which do NOT play DVD-Audio -- along with AM/FM, USB input from MP3 players, and a very well-implemented iPod interface. Also gives you 2.1 sound, and -- I was surprised by this -- the thing doesn't sound half bad! Also, the DVD section is a lift -- I think -- from the Denon DVD-1920, and it gives a very nice image feeding the Bravia 720P over HDMI. This makes a killer baby system for our exercise/rehab room. Dive-Dude -- you should look at this for your Bravia -- unless you've got something really smokin' hooked up...

brt3,
Your setup sounds really great. Thanks for the heads up. I have my Onkio in the bedroom, with Bose 601's in the front and 602's in the back. Plus a sub and center. And it is more than I need in there. Plus I have I have spent most of my extra Penton Paper on the new ride.

Guys,
Just got back from a great drive. It has been a while since I've had a 'vette, and I've always wanted a convertible model. Mini Dive and I really like the "Heads-up display". :)


wow, awesome dd...you deserve it!!!

Yes I am lazy!!! Please someone tell me how to or which page to check the bulb hours and reset procedure.

Disregard, I found it on JB's first page! :D

Bulb has just been replaced at 1318 hours.

Bulb has just been replaced at 1318 hours.


kaduku,
Does the 006 look like new again :)

Only 24 hours until "24". Program you DVR's and TiVo'S, set your alarms, make a note, remind your friends and relatives, and tie a string around your finger :D

kaduku,
Does the 006 look like new again :)

It does, though not as much as I thought or heard it would be. I guess my old bulb is still worth hanging on to. It could be just my imagination thinking that my old bulb was going out with only 1300 hours on it. It is definitely brighter, noticeable especially on white backgrounds and images. I was worried that if I changed it just before Superbowl, like a day or two, that it might be too bright for viewing, but after seeing it now, I could have waited a bit longer. THe picture is not too bright at all. I guess I can give the full observation review after 30 or 40 hours of use.

I am watching the Broncos/Patriots game right now, and the picture is just so amazing. I don't mind this type of brightness at all, but I know it will only get better and better as it tapers down.

If that's REALLY the case, then why didn't you spend $50k - $100k on a studio monitor instead? Talk about a fundamental flaw in reasoning.

Maybe because he doesn't have that kind of money for a TV, now if he was some high tech billionaire, then you can ask him that question.

Wait a minute, Ray! Are you one!

Wow guys thanks for all the input and you have made it really tough now. I spent the day looking at the 60 and Q from room to room at the store that had the stand I really want which is 25" from the ground and currently has the Q on it. Thie stand I want to get from the Collection is the Bolero in Harvest Sun:

http://www.jsp-industries.com/Pages/introhomethea.html

My girl friend has been running around with me try to help me decide. She made a good point the screen is so big that if you are too close you have to move your head/eyes around the screen to take in all the action and it can become draining. So after spend another 2+ hours running back and further trying DVD's and HD content I decided no matter what set I get I rather have that JSP Bolero Stand. She did say that the set actually looked good and even better at this tweeter than the other one because the set and stand wasn't up on a pedestal and really liked the set. (GREAT point I am sure every Q I have seen has been in the store up and running for almost a year) but did the PQ look $7500 better? I was hard pressed to say it did. So I left Tweeter thinking Ok the 60 on the JSP Bolero Stand fine done. I ran to Circuit City for a second and they are selling the 60 for $4199.99 one night only with free delivery. I am shocked Tweeter says they will match that and I am saving 7600.00 over the Q. Man I can pay cash to install that new Vinyl Fence LOL. I get home tape up where 60 would measure out to be and say let me read the forum and see what everyone has to say. And it seems you all think 10" is good but agree the Q does have a softer look to it and in the long run is actually the better look. So I will debate some more tonight before I call my sales guy again!!! To discuss what I am doing. Just to give some price points I am getting the Q for 11,500 and 60 for 4199.99 before tax. The stand doesn’t matter as I want that stand over the Salamander or Sony Q stand. The Sony stand put the set at the correct height but with my components jammed into the bottom it will look like a mess. Beside my couch does sit a bit low so I think I will raise it or just get another couch that is higher anyhow it is time for a change. So the finally price difference is $7895.00 OMG!!!

Now at that much more money and way technology changes so fast I am bit gun shy now to spend that much but my insurance basically covered the cost of the set. One thing my girl friend said that really surprised me was "you never take vacations and really like watching movies at home so buying this set is like your vacation money so get the Q. One thing I am really trying to figure out is the 60 weighs in at 98lbs and the Q at 286lbs what the heck weighs another 190 pounds the Glass on the front?? Oh I did also make sure both sets were on the same exact settings. One thing I thought was mentioned is the pixel ratio or density wouldn't a 60" with same resolution as the Q have tighter packed pixels so a sharper Picture? And is that the reason has a sharper look to it.

Well again I will have to sleep on this one if I can sleep or toss and turn over this one LOL. May the Gods of all that is Video strike me with clarity and show me the way so my sales guy doesn’t pull out a gun and shoot me. Hehe Thanks again guys. All input is greatly appreciated.

Edit: Back to taping up the dimensions and raising the couch with 2x4's to check it out...

$7,900 is a lot of extra jack my friend. If you start analyzing numbers the Q may indeed come in second place. I am glad I let the little head do the thinking and purchase the Q. There is just something cool about having the 70 inches and that awesome picture that I have never had any buyers remorse. It is simply that good. Whatever you choose you will be happy as you are looking at all outstanding sets.

My Q stand is 15 inches which puts the center of the TV right at eye height when on the couch. Build up your couch platform accordingly. Also i wouldn't worry about moving your head/eyes so much it becomes tiresome. I routinely sit at 8 feet and I can take the whole picture in with just a little head movement. For Rome I moved up to about 6 1/2 ft and I swear I could smell leather and olive oil. It feels awesome because the picture is just so damn perfect and I feel immersed in whatever I am watching.

If the $11,500 is not a big deal to you then just do it.....get the Q. You will definitely not regret this purchase. Besides, the last thing you want is for you and your girlfriend to be on your raised couch in a few months and have her start wondering what an extra 10 inches would be like. :)

LOL Motor I loved Rome and look forward to it coming back but I quess I will have to watch 24 in the mean time. Well I did all the taping of dimensions based on the 25" stand and it is just too high if I go with the Sony stand and lower everything down 10" it looks good. My room is not really that big to raise the couch more than lets say 2" or it will look wrong and it is on a wall that is is the main enterance one side and hallway to back of house on other so really straped for what I can do. You are right whatever I get it will be better than what I had and I will be happy.

Well again I will have to sleep on this one if I can sleep or toss and turn over this one LOL. May the Gods of all that is Video strike me with clarity and show me the way so my sales guy doesn’t pull out a gun and shoot me. Hehe Thanks again guys. All input is greatly appreciated.



First of all, that is a nice stand! What would go in that middle section? DVDs, maybe a center speaker. Second, you better make your decision fast before you get married to your girlfriend, then it won't be alone up to you anymore! If you decide on the 60 incher, you will be happy, because I want one too for my bedroom, and if you go for the Q, you'll be glad you didn't go for the smaller set. I just changed my bulb on my set and I am getting that brand new, first time feeling again, just simply amazing. I have seen the 60 incher in person, very nice indeed, but I still prefer my Q. Do me a favor, if you do get the Q, please check your lamp hours when you first power it up.

Guys -- Just got back from a great drive. It has been a while since I've had a 'vette, and I've always wanted a convertible model. Mini Dive and I really like the "Heads-up display". :)Awesome, DD -- make sure MiniDive helps with keeping it regularly detailed...

Maybe because he doesn't have that kind of money for a TV, now if he was some high tech billionaire, then you can ask him that question. Wait a minute, Ray! Are you one!I'm not telling, but then I seem to lack fundamental reasoning skills... ;)

This is absolutely fantastic, but I can't post it directly because of the rules around here. Let's see if I can remember something approximating the Penton-Method:

combine the following two lines and paste them into your browser:
http://cgi.eba
y.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7382512195&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1

It's definitely worth it, as I've NEVER heard of a Qualia Bear before!!!
:eek: :D :rolleyes:

I wouldn't dare drink a thing that came out of that weird freaky misspelled cousin to the koala bear teapot thingy............


The way he is holding that spout..............It is just wrong.

I guess the key is phonetic spelling: Qualia = Ko-ah-lee-ah. Almost fits, I guess! Dive-Dude should buy the whole set for Mini-Dive snack time...

First of all, that is a nice stand! What would go in that middle section? DVDs, maybe a center speaker. Second, you better make your decision fast before you get married to your girlfriend, then it won't be alone up to you anymore! If you decide on the 60 incher, you will be happy, because I want one too for my bedroom, and if you go for the Q, you'll be glad you didn't go for the smaller set. I just changed my bulb on my set and I am getting that brand new, first time feeling again, just simply amazing. I have seen the 60 incher in person, very nice indeed, but I still prefer my Q. Do me a favor, if you do get the Q, please check your lamp hours when you first power it up.

My center speaker would go in that spot like in the Pic. This is one of the things I love about this stand and below in the cabinet I can put other items. I will not store DVD's have to many of them and they are in plastic draw bins now. If I decide on the Q I will check the lamp hours when first powered up and post.

The Sony stand put the set at the correct height but with my components jammed into the bottom it will look like a mess.

DMP2722,
Just to give you an idea of what components look like in the Sony stand, please take a look at a picture of mine. My center speaker is 22" wide and there is pleanty of space left over. If you have too many components to place in the bottom, there is room on the back sides of the stand. I did that for awhile and used an inexpensive remote extender.

Thanks for the Pics Divedude. May I ask what your viewing distance is from the set. The Sony stand does put the set right it needs to be and has a very nice finished look.

decidion,decidion,decidion
I've gone through the whole process seven months ago before I bought my Q and enjoyed it since then
Q006 $13000
tv stand $1200
watch that amazing picture on the Q and knowing that you have one of the best tv is priceless

Thanks for the Pics Divedude. May I ask what your viewing distance is from the set. The Sony stand does put the set right it needs to be and has a very nice finished look.

DMP2722,
I am at 12'. I have my PC's setup in the corner opposite the 006 and if I moved the chairs closer to the TV, I would not be able to see the full screen of the TV from my PC area. As I noted before, the Sony manual for the 006 shows the minimum viewing distance as 8', so you will be fine at 10'. Your eyes will not be going back and forth like at a tennis match :)

It is a big decision to pay this much for a TV, but you are getting a great deal. And you will not be sorry about getting the 006. The picture is superb. I guess you have looked at the SXRD thread. They are having lots of problems and I hope Sony can fix them up.

decidion,decidion,decidion
I've gone through the whole process seven months ago before I bought my Q and enjoyed it since then
Q006 $13000
tv stand $1200
watch that amazing picture on the Q and knowing that you have one of the best tv is priceless

camchow,
Glad to see you are enjoying your 006. Don't be a stranger ;)

YUP! More than I ever remember! We are on a 500' hill so the Q is safe!
We also Got Seahawks! :D

MPSAN................Got rain ? :D

I have not gone back to look through the prior 300+ pages to check but does anyone prefer the low power lamp mode to the iris closed more. To me the blacks look a little darker with with the low power mode and the image does not seem as compressed. What do others feel?

Maurice

I have not gone back to look through the prior 300+ pages to check but does anyone prefer the low power lamp mode to the iris closed more. To me the blacks look a little darker with with the low power mode and the image does not seem as compressed. What do others feel?

Maurice

My experience has been that turning on Cinema Pro Black makes the blacks blacker and increases contrast. Turning on the reduced power mode seems (to me) to make the picture darker without increasing contrast.

David

I have not gone back to look through the prior 300+ pages to check but does anyone prefer the low power lamp mode to the iris closed more. To me the blacks look a little darker with with the low power mode and the image does not seem as compressed. What do others feel?

Maurice

I went with both actually but I noticed when using the Qualia as a computer monitor that the reduced power mode caused it to flicker most displeasingly on nearly white scenes (like the vast majority of webpages). After I killed off power save mode the screen was crisp again.

One thing I hope to see either with the high def signals or with a good processor is better handling of the really dark areas blotchiness on almost black scenes is a bit annoying wish they could find a bit better algorithm.

I have attached a really cool picture of a Schwinn Bike off the Qualia so you can see what you get at close viewing distances................ Penton has lots of experience with bikes and I am sure he would agree that is one outstanding bike. :)
Perhaps THAT'S why I crashed !
(this accounts for my recent absence from posting)

To make a long story short..................

I race dem bicycles now (for fun? :eek: )rather than dem motor-sickles…Master’s Class, of course, or as I like to call it……S.O.F. catergory (s = slow, o = old , f = farts) category.
On Sat., some idiot in front of me hit the brakes when he shouldn’t have.

Massive pile-up, unfortunately, I was directly behind the joker and could not veer away to take a different line. :eek:

Picture-perfect face plant i.e. ……..face and head planted into the ground with my legs upside down, feet in the air.
Penton-Man losses consciousness for a minute or so they say..... hey I was just waiting for the 8- count. :D
Came up for air with a face looking like a Red-man (i.e. Redskins) rather than the white man that I be.
Spitting enough blood to make any boxing manager cringe.

E.M.T.’s want to take me directly to the local hospital……RIGHT !, laying in the E.R. for 5 hours cold, wet (it was pouring rain) sweaty, dirty, etc. while they dilly-dally around to treat me.
Penton-Man gets back on bike and rides ten miles back to the start, leaving a good enough blood trail for a blind-man to follow.
Zee wife nearly faints.
I go home to wash all the filth off and get in a hot shower to warm up.
Onto the local hospital with 4-5 towels on hand to prevent all the blood from ruining the upholstery of zee wife’s new car.

Admitted on Sat. night…………….
Quick findings……….
Noted physical appearance…..”Raccoon eyes”- google it if you don’t know what it means, it’s like the two worst black eyes that you’ve ever seen.

Findings –
1. Massively comminuted fracture of the nasal bone.
2. Non displaced fracture of the left infra-orbital ridge.
3. Lousy Panorex view of the mandible (jaw) will need C.T. Scan on Sunday.
4. Massive tear of the soft tissues inside the mouth from approximately the gum-line along the lower teeth (all across) and extending down into the inferior suclus (where you get food particles trapped if you don’t gargle.)

Plan –
1. Admit for observation and oral surgery :eek: on Sun. morning for massive soft tissue injury.
2. Give plenty of I.V. pain meds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Sun. morning-
1. Wife pissed again that she has to tolerate another Penton-Man two-wheel induced surgery.
2. Oral surgeon spends close to 2 hours debrieding (cutting out the dead tissue) and suturing the inside of Penton-Man’s mouth together so he can go out in public without profusely spitting blood every 30 sec.
3. Morphine !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Sun. evening –
1. Penton-Man wakes up and is now lucid enough to realize that he would not wish this TV picture in his private room upon the worst Qualian troller there ever be.(I see recently we've got a new one)

2. Penton-Man realizes that in about 3 hours the new season opener of “24” airs and zee royal wife does not know how to set the HD DVR to record it.

3. Penton-Man pages the Oral surgeon to get out of there ASAP.
Oral surgeon, says it’s O.K. as long as the Neurosurgeon says it’s fine with him.(oops, I forgot about that alleged loss of conscious I had for about a minute.)

4. Neurosurgeon can’t be found. Yikes :eek: …….we’re at 45 min. and counting for "24" .

5. Penton-Man signs out A.M.A. (Against Medical Advice so as to not put any fellow colleagues in future jeopardy).

6. The nursing staff gives Penton-Man one last I.V. dose of pain meds ”to go for the road.”

7. Penton-Man makes it home at 7:59 P.M., sets the DVR and tries to watch a REAL tv and the first new episode of a longley awaited season.

8. Penton-Man can’t concentrate at all because the I.V. meds have take away all the pain but made dee brain like mush !

9. Penton-Man retire to his own bed where he should have been all the time.

P.S. – To all interested parties, do NOT attempt any of the above “doctor treat thyself “ practice unless you are a professional, know more than the Docs that are treating you, and are half- crazy ! :D

Mon. Afternoon-
Preparing to spin around a little on the bike outside to get the lactic acid out of my leg muscles and scare the bee-jee-bers out of the local neighborhood kids with my raccoon eyes.

I've followed this thread since the beginning. I don't own an 006 but enjoy the read. Penton-Man you are one crazy M----- F-----:) Great read but take care of yourself, we need our spy at Sony!

Ken

I just got back in town (more on that below), so I have not seen 24 yet (but will watch all four hours tonight :D). However, it appears P-M's latest escapade may rival an hour in the life of Jack Bauer :D

I visited the QUALIA store in Manhattan yesterday. They had the Q005 running the same Blu-Ray trailers as the Q006, set up next to each other. I thought the Q005 looked really good :) The Q005 was initially on the vivid setting, so I made some changes. Although not identical, the display settings and graphics are very similar to the Q006. In fact the Q006 and Q005 utilize the same exact remote control. I guess for an extra $2k, you're still not entitled to the Q004 remote :p

I spoke with the Qualia cierge on duty. She seemed somewhat knowledgeable, but didn't have any inside info. She told me Qualia corporate in San Diego has already been disbanded. She said the Q005 would be the last Qualia product manufactured. Also, that the QUALIA showroom would be converted back to Sony space very soon, with the Qualia products being mixed in with the Sony products on the main floor.

She told me the digital camera has been a big seller (much to my surprise!) She also said the headphones have sold well (again, somewhat to my surprise). There are no more Q HD camcorders available (although they did have one on display).

One final observation, they had the Blu-Ray feeding the Q006 and Q005 via component cables, and it looked awesome.

Looks like, for the first time ever, we're going to fall short of a goal on this thread. Oh well, it's still a great and fun place to be :)

(We'd have to average 114 posts per day, to hit 10k on the one-year anniversay, 1/18/06)

...Preparing to spin around a little on the bike outside to get the lactic acid out of my leg muscles and scare the bee-jee-bers out of the local neighborhood kids with my raccoon eyes.
High-end racing mountain bike: $5000
Geeky-looking clothing & accessories to "fit in": $1000
Bike repair bills after accident: $750
Hospital bills for repairing Penton-Man: $10000
Biking while heavily medicated -- PRICELESS!
:D

Seriously, P-M -- get well soon and be sure to include a good dose of Qualia Viewing Therapy in your rehab. Also, don't hesitate asking for directions, as chicks find the racoon-eyes thing dead sexy...
:eek:

Sorry to laugh at your misfortune, but reading your post made me bust a gut as I envisioned your "perfect face plant" ... I intitially thought you were going to say that your face was planted in an anatomical feature of the rider in front of you ... LOL

Seriously though, get well soon!

Hey Penton hope you get well soon. Guys thanks so much for the input on everything. As suggested I also read the XBR forums for the 50 and 60. At this time I think I will be going with the 60" XBR and if I get a "Green Blob" unit I will be playing the exchange game. I have read allot about the SSE some are seeing but I don’t understand what this really looks like. This has been a really tough decision. I love the Qualia but with the way things are changing so quickly with technology I felt the additional money would be better spent later on for a HD/Blue Ray DVD Player (When the war is over). Due to my dead Pioneer Elite Pro HD-710 RPT HDTV the existing $3000 dollar wall unit I bought to go around it is now un-usable as well. Grrr I loved this unit. Well I am sure I will be happy with the 60 XBR set and it will be better than what I had. Again guys thanks so much for the input and help on this one. In the end this was a very tough decision.

DMP2722, congratulations on your impending purchase. I'm sure you will enjoy it. Don't be afraid to drop on by here from time to time; you'll always be welcome.

jb007

Penton Man,

You are one really AMAZING guy!! I can't even imagine having the kind of great attitude about life that you have, after having gone through what you've just had to endure. Despite all the pain, etc. you still are as witty as ever. I'm sure you'll have a quick and complete recovery with your tremendous attitude. All the best to you and your wife. I'd advise you to stay in front of the Q until you are fully recovered rather than getting back on your ride, but I know you are definitely a free spirit who was "Born to Run", or should I say, "Born to Ride"...

Perhaps THAT'S why I crashed !
(this accounts for my recent absence from posting)



PM,

Get well soon and prescribe yourself lots of QM (Qualia medicine) :)

Mini Dive has something for you (1st picture) would like to suggest you get one of these (2nd picture) . . .

However, it appears P-M's latest escapade may rival an hour in the life of Jack Bauer :D


jb007,
I bet PM looks and feels like he got in the way of Jack Bauer :eek:

PM, sorry to hear of what happened. I almost had to watch the Seahawks on a Hospital SD set myself. My wife had surgery Friday, and we thought she may have to stay Saturday. I did, however set the 6412 for the game. Met two neighbors there as well. One was a Dr. who lives across the street. I may have saved his house from burning up last year, and then the Mother of the kid who set off the fireworks who started the fire!

Anyway, it was a good story.

Get home soon...at least in "our" hospital we had free wireless internet!

My experience has been that turning on Cinema Pro Black makes the blacks blacker and increases contrast. Turning on the reduced power mode seems (to me) to make the picture darker without increasing contrast.

David
Same with me .

But, I bet the baseline of my bulb is so dark now that it's like a stock new bulb in the normal mode. :eek:

I've followed this thread since the beginning. I don't own an 006 but enjoy the read. Penton-Man you are one crazy M----- F-----:) Great read but take care of yourself, we need our spy at Sony!

Ken
Thanks !

It makes it all the worthwhile to take the time to type up the incident.

As far as the Sony spy stuff, I’m still pissed that the Sony Pictures people didn’t come thru with Lawrence of Arabia in the opening 20 titles.(Now, they tell me sometime in the two months following the initial 20 titles are released :rolleyes: ).

But I really shouldn’t hold that against the Sony Electronics people, who are the ones that I really get my leaks from. Maybe I’ll cool down in a few months AFTER I’ve bought that elusive Panasonic Blu-ray RECORDER…..and pump Sony for more info.

I just got back in town (more on that below), so I have not seen 24 yet (but will watch all four hours tonight :D). However, it appears P-M's latest escapade may rival an hour in the life of Jack Bauer :D
I just caught up with last night’s two hours to prepare myself for the next 2 hours worth tonight.
Bonus feature….”24” looks much better P/Q wise than it last year, to my eye. :)

1.High-end racing mountain bike: $5000
2.Geeky-looking clothing & accessories to "fit in": $1000
3.Bike repair bills after accident: $750
4.Hospital bills for repairing Penton-Man: $10000
5.Biking while heavily medicated -- PRICELESS!
:D

6.Seriously, P-M -- get well soon and be sure to include a good dose of Qualia Viewing Therapy in your rehab. Also, don't hesitate asking for directions, as chicks find the racoon-eyes thing dead sexy...
:eek:
1. High-end racing mountain bike: $5000 – that’s about right (and I've got five but all with support :D )

2. Geeky-looking clothing & accessories to "fit in": $1000 –Nope, I’m sponsored so I get all that geeky looking stuff for free !

3. Bike repair bills after accident: $750 –Less, I do all the repairs myself- just pay for parts at cost.

4. Hospital bills for repairing Penton-Man: $10000 – That aint to far off the mark after all the out-patient visits are included. I would really like the ENT guy to twist my nose back into place after all the swelling goes down in a month or so, but my wife says if I keep it the way it is now, she want ever have to worry about anyone else (but her) giving me directions if I ask for them. :eek:

5.Biking while heavily medicated -- PRICELESS! – Hey, I was completely sober during the race…..and plan on only using the pain meds AFTER my training rides this week to stay in shape. I don’t want to do a public retraction like Bode Miller.

6. Thanks much. :)

Sorry to laugh at your misfortune, but reading your post made me bust a gut as I envisioned your "perfect face plant" ... I intitially thought you were going to say that your face was planted in an anatomical feature of the rider in front of you ... LOL

Seriously though, get well soon!
Hmmmm,
Did I mention ANYWHERE in that spiel anything about Hair Pie. :D

Hey Penton hope you get well soon. Guys thanks so much for the input on everything. Again guys thanks so much for the input and help on this one. In the end this was a very tough decision.
Like jb007 said, feel free to visit us anytime as you have no ax to grind.

Plus, it sounds like you don't have a Pencil Neck ! :D

PM,

Get well soon and prescribe yourself lots of QM (Qualia medicine) :)

Mini Dive has something for you (1st picture) would like to suggest you get one of these (2nd picture) . . .
Thanks for the pics divedude.
One day you guys must teach me (step by step) how to actually put a pic on this forum so you all can enjoy my misery on a first-hand basis. Perhaps umr will..... when he does my cali.
First I guess I've got to break down and buy a digital camera to replace the one that is now bear poop. :eek:

P.S.-
The helmet looks good, I actually cracked mine in the front all the way thru. :eek:

It's medication time. :)
But not too much, as I've got to stay alert for tonight's "24".

Now Penton..........if you would have only been leading the race this never would have happened............ Apparently you are not a (SOF) Slow Old Fart as was the guy in front of you but rather a (FOF) Fast Old Fart.

Yikes........... I saw how Clint Eastwood reset her broken nose in Million Dollar Baby.......... Thats gonna leave a mark.


Get better soon bro........

MotorMouth

5.Biking while heavily medicated -- PRICELESS! – Hey, I was completely sober during the race…..and plan on only using the pain meds AFTER my training rides this week to stay in shape. I don’t want to do a public retraction like Bode Miller.Ahhh -- I didn't even think of all the possibilities, as I was simply referring to your post-accident lactic acid-reducing ride, in which you were scaring the bejeezus out of the local neighborhood children...

I just caught up with last night’s two hours to prepare myself for the next 2 hours worth tonight.
Bonus feature….”24” looks much better P/Q wise than it last year, to my eye. :)

First time I have enjoyed 24 in HD on the 006. The 5.1 sound is very good too.
Two things I noticed. They have a blazing array of computer programs and databases they can instantly access. Too bad nothing like that exists. Not even the top secret fed agencies have such things. Instant fingerprint comparisons from a scanned copy? Not in this lifetime.
I watched the star continue to shoot after his gun was empty.
Some one should tell Jack Bauer to stop shooting after the slide locks back on his H&K.

I just caught up with last night’s two hours to prepare myself for the next 2 hours worth tonight.
Bonus feature….”24” looks much better P/Q wise than it last year, to my eye. :)

A few some comments on Fox H/D PQ. Fox network PQ sure leaves a lot to be desired. The CBS Saturday and Sunday football programs compared to the Fox network programs showed a lack of quality from Fox. CBS appeared to have all if not mostly HD cameras in use and it was obvious Fox had several S/D cameras.
There was one type of Fox camera used on both days that lacked not only a quality HD signal but looked like it was looking thru a light fog as the signal lacked contrast. Maybe it was a poor long range lens, but I would have been embarrassed to send out such a low quality picture.
Fox also exhibited the same low quality H/D and used a lot of S/D cameras last year when they did the Nascar races too.
Does anyone know if Fox transmits 780P or 1080i?
There sure is a big difference in resolution and/or signal definition between 24 and American Idol. Both programs are prerecorded and maybe its the recording medium.

FOX, like ABC and ESPN, broadcasts in 720p. CBS, NBC, HDNET, HBO, Showtime, etc. are 1080i. Theoretically, 720p is better for sports (fast moving action). I generally prefer 1080i, but fhe Sunday night football games on ESPN often looked better than Note Dame games on NBC.

24 is transferred, like most dramas on network TV, from film to HD. American Idol is shot on HD cameras (I presume; I've never watched it) and saved on video tape, like most sitcoms. It's the HD video cameras that give you that "live" look.

Finally, remember FOX was the last network to go HD. For years, Mr. Murdoch fought the revolution, as FOX continued to broadcast in *High Resolution Widescreen*, or some name like that, which was not HD.

Been gone for a few days -- just a quick note to wish PM some quick healing. I love the checking out AMA to get to 24 -- that's our boy!!! You wanna sue the b*stard who braked? I'm sure JB and I can work something out for you ... lol

Cheers

PM,
Hope you get well soon!

Now I always pictured you, as most owners on this thread as middle age, now you actually sound like a very young man. Care to elaborate on this.

...and he knows a lot about medical stuff so is he a Dr.?

PM,
Hope you get well soon!

Now I always pictured you, as most owners on this thread as middle age, now you actually sound like a very young man. Care to elaborate on this.

I think American Idol looks even better this year than it did last year on the 006 :)

Been gone for a few days -- just a quick note to wish PM some quick healing. I love the checking out AMA to get to 24 -- that's our boy!!! You wanna sue the b*stard who braked? I'm sure JB and I can work something out for you ... lol

Cheers
How does one exactly sue somebody else for inherent stupidity ?
Would that be under state or federal law ?

PM,
Hope you get well soon!

Now I always pictured you, as most owners on this thread as middle age, now you actually sound like a very young man. Care to elaborate on this.
Kaduku…..I'm a 53 y.o. going on 23 years old.
Yup, I can still out-ride (bike) a lot of Experts/Semi-Pros in their 20’s. (ask Stewman about Motorcycle Six Days Riders)
(Was a member of the Master’s U.S. National Team one year :) )

BAD day today boys. Post-op fever spike to 103 degrees. :eek:
Forgive me if I check out for a few days, age IS catching up. :o

How does one exactly sue somebody else for inherent stupidity ?
Would that be under state or federal law ?Federal law in 49 states, state law in California. This is predicated on the notion that, in most states, the Federal law takes precedent in cases of extreme stupidity, since they are the true experts in this area. In California, however, all bets are off -- our state gov't seems to have cornered the market on stupidity...
:rolleyes:

...and he knows a lot about medical stuff so is he a Dr.?
Do you watch House?

As House would say, "I'm from the lab ;)."

I think American Idol looks even better this year than it did last year on the 006 :)

It looks so 3-D Mini Dive was trying to grab one of the Coke's from the judges table :D

BAD day today boys. Post-op fever spike to 103 degrees. :eek: Forgive me if I check out for a few days, age IS catching up. :o
Looks like it's time for one of those good old-fashioned home remedies -- Vicodin + Scotch = SLEEP...
:D

BAD day today boys. Post-op fever spike to 103 degrees. :eek:
Forgive me if I check out for a few days, age IS catching up. :o

PM,
Keep a close eye on the thermometer, boiled brains are not good :(

Originally Posted by Penton-Man
BAD day today boys. Post-op fever spike to 103 degrees.
Forgive me if I check out for a few days, age IS catching up.


PM,
Keep a close eye on the thermometer, boiled brains are not good :(


And you are already crazy enough :p

Get well soon, we need you here :)

P.M. - take brt3's advice and as your eyelids start their trek downward calmly imagine that you are the star of the soon to be released Blu-Ray version of LoA.

Sweet dreams my friend! :cool:

Sorry to butt in but I'm very new to these discussion boards and didn't know where else to start.
I just took the dive and purchased a 006. I've heard a lot about how important the correct set up is in order to get the most out of the unit. Are set up stats out there somewhere that I can get a look at? Do I have to have someone come and callibrate the Qualia? Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks

Tim

Sorry to butt in but I'm very new to these discussion boards and didn't know where else to start.
I just took the dive and purchased a 006. I've heard a lot about how important the correct set up is in order to get the most out of the unit. Are set up stats out there somewhere that I can get a look at? Do I have to have someone come and callibrate the Qualia? Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks

Tim

Tim

Welcome to the Qualia Owners thread
I am sure you will enjoy your 006 as much as the rest of the Qualia owners on this thread.

In answer to your questions.
The first page of the thread posted by our own JB007 is a FAQ for Qualia owners.
Just scroll down to whatever you need answered.

JB007 FAQ Page 1 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=498008&page=1&pp=30&highlight=umr)

BRT3 (Ray) also has a ton of information on his Qualia page including settings and Qualia manuals.

BRT3 Qualia page (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/Menu11.html)

Sorry to butt in but I'm very new to these discussion boards and didn't know where else to start.
I just took the dive and purchased a 006. I've heard a lot about how important the correct set up is in order to get the most out of the unit. Are set up stats out there somewhere that I can get a look at? Do I have to have someone come and callibrate the Qualia? Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks


Congrats TC,
Could you check your lamp hours when you get the Q. See the first page for instructions :D

One more day for you Ray! I'm jealous. Let us know how you feel about the calibration, especially getting use to having the picture a little darker.

One more day for you Ray! I'm jealous. Let us know how you feel about the calibration, especially getting use to having the picture a little darker.

Kaduku - Just curious why you are interested in the number of hours on the bulb when new owners first get the set?

For everyone getting their set calibrated: One thing most people need to get used to is the fact that the " apparent brightness" of the set is usually toned down compared to where it was primarily because setting the grey scale leads to a lower color temp then most people have it set as, or the way the set comes to you from the factory. Even the "pro" setting on the 006 which is pretty close to the calibration standard out of the box, needs to be adjusted down by the calibrationist. For those watching the 006 on standard or cool color temp the change will be more drastic. At first, many people don't like the look of a calibrated set, but once you watch it for a week or so you will definitely notice the improvements in detail etc.

Kaduku - Just curious why you are interested in the number of hours on the bulb when new owners first get the set?

For everyone getting their set calibrated: One thing most people need to get used to is the fact that the " apparent brightness" of the set is usually toned down compared to where it was primarily because setting the grey scale leads to a lower color temp then most people have it set as, or the way the set comes to you from the factory. Even the "pro" setting on the 006 which is pretty close to the calibration standard out of the box, needs to be adjusted down by the calibrationist. For those watching the 006 on standard or cool color temp the change will be more drastic. At first, many people don't like the look of a calibrated set, but once you watch it for a week or so you will definitely notice the improvements in detail etc.

Just wondering if they put any hours at all on these sets, let's say to test them.
As far as the brightness, I just want to hear how people feel afterwards, maybe just to give me more guts to go along with it. I am at standard right now and already consider the picture to be very good. I like bright, but not vivid bright.

Looks like it's time for one of those good old-fashioned home remedies -- Vicodin + Scotch = SLEEP...
:D

Cough syrup and a beer = DEEP SLEEP :D

One more day for you Ray! I'm jealous. Let us know how you feel about the calibration, especially getting use to having the picture a little darker.I'll be interested in seeing how much darker my set ends up. I've always had my sets calibrated, and have always loved the results -- even if some of the CRTs required "light control" for the room windows afterwards (see: Dwayne). I'm thinking it's going to be pretty good!

I'll be interested in seeing how much darker my set ends up. I've always had my sets calibrated, and have always loved the results -- even if some of the CRTs required "light control" for the room windows afterwards (see: Dwayne). I'm thinking it's going to be pretty good!

umr suggested that I may want to turn cinema black pro off while viewing during the daytime, to increase brightness.

Oh, by the way . . .

HAPPY ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY !!!

This thread is exactly one year old today. Thanks, (most :D) everyone, for your contributions. :) :) :)

Oh, by the way . . .

HAPPY ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY !!!

This thread is exactly one year old today. Thanks, (most :D) everyone, for your contributions. :) :) :)

I completely forgot! Congratulations everyone for keeping this thread alive and interesting. Hope we many have many more! :D

WOW, I don't even know anyone that old!! :D


Kaduku…..I'm a 53 y.o. going on 23 years old.
Yup, I can still out-ride (bike) a lot of Experts/Semi-Pros in their 20’s. (ask Stewman about Motorcycle Six Days Riders)
(Was a member of the Master’s U.S. National Team one year :) )

BAD day today boys. Post-op fever spike to 103 degrees. :eek:
Forgive me if I check out for a few days, age IS catching up. :o

:D

Nope, we have never seen House. My sister has a Bio and Chem degree and went to work in a hospital lab for 20+ years. She does know a lot though!

Do you watch House?

As House would say, "I'm from the lab ;)."

...and I recorded it on the 6412 on the Plasma. I am not sure I want to add lamp hours on the Q for AI. I see it is on tonight, too. How many auditions will they show? I mean when will the show begin for real?



It looks so 3-D Mini Dive was trying to grab one of the Coke's from the judges table :D

For anyone interested in the ongoing BluRay/HD-DVD "debate", I'd suggest you read the latest issue of "Widescreen Review". The more I read (and re-read) this issue -- and the more I think about the dangers inherent in Sony's attitude towards legitimate copying for personal use -- the more I am turned off by Blu-Ray. The best point in the article was made by a Mr. Joseph Kane, who pointed out that HD-disc formats are being so slow to market that they may be rendered obsolete by online delivery. It also quotes a guy named Gates as saying these will be the very last physical formats ever marketed for media purchase -- again, the online thing. Regardless, good reading; makes me just want to take the plunge, buy a Denon 5910 to maximize my existing DVD collection, and sit out the HD-disc debacle...

BRT the Third, I have seen this a lot lately. I guess that it seems that most studios are on board with Blu-ray at this time. I think that the issue with Gates is like telling homeless people..."just buy a house"! To him, everyone has High Speed internet, and that is just not true. I have 8MB Comcast, but can get 15MB Verizon FIOS. I work at a very big Company who makes some of the fastest Servers around (remember, I am a Migrant Electronics Worker) and a lot of people I work with still have dialup!




For anyone interested in the ongoing BluRay/HD-DVD "debate", I'd suggest you read the latest issue of "Widescreen Review". The more I read (and re-read) this issue -- and the more I think about the dangers inherent in Sony's attitude towards legitimate copying for personal use -- the more I am turned off by Blu-Ray. The best point in the article was made by a Mr. Joseph Kane, who pointed out that HD-disc formats are being so slow to market that they may be rendered obsolete by online delivery. It also quotes a guy named Gates as saying these will be the very last physical formats ever marketed for media purchase -- again, the online thing. Regardless, good reading; makes me just want to take the plunge, buy a Denon 5910 to maximize my existing DVD collection, and sit out the HD-disc debacle...

I think that the issue with Gates is like telling homeless people..."just buy a house"! To him, everyone has High Speed internet, and that is just not trueGood point; the Gates quote was just an aside to my main point that -- as I am starting to perceive it -- the technically savvy consumer may be much better served by HD-DVD than by BluRay. I was initially swayed by the argument that BR was a more sophisticated format with more storage. Now I'm thinking HD-DVD has enough space to do the job, while maintaining our ability to copy a disc for personal use. Sony may have more studios on their side, but HD-DVD will be first to market. In the end it will be up to us, the humble consumers. I think it's interesting that someone like me, who is usually an early adopter, is choosing to sit this one out. I wonder how many people will make a similar choice and simply decide to wait for the dust to settle...

Guys, I really need help big time...!

This morning I had:

DirectTV HD DVR connected to input 7.
Denon 3910 connected to input 6.

Both are the HDMI inputs in the back of the Qualia.

Then I had a cable installer run a line in the house and provided me with a HD DVR for their service. I personally took the HDMI cable out of the DTV DVR, and put it in the cable box, while the box was unplugged. Then I pluged in the cable box and watched cable, from the cable box HDMI through an HDMI cable to input 7. A picture appeared.

When the installer left, I removed the HDMI cable that is connected to input 7, and put it back in the DTV DVR.

Here's the problem.

I can no longer get inputs 6 and 7 to produce video as it was, DVD on 6, DTV on 7. So I thought the HDMI ports 6 and 7 were dead. I take the HDMI cable out of the DTV DVR, and put it back into the cable box. I now get picture. WTF!

I hooked up the cable box using component cables, have the DTV DVR on HDMI 7 and DVD on HDMI 6, but get no picture from 6 or 7.

HEEEEELLLLLLLPPPPP :(

Guys, I really need help big time...!

This morning I had:

DirectTV HD DVR connected to input 7.
Denon 3910 connected to input 6.

Both are the HDMI inputs in the back of the Qualia.

Then I had a cable installer run a line in the house and provided me with a HD DVR for their service. I personally took the HDMI cable out of the DTV DVR, and put it in the cable box, while the box was unplugged. Then I pluged in the cable box and watched cable, from the cable box HDMI through an HDMI cable to input 7. A picture appeared.

When the installer left, I removed the HDMI cable that is connected to input 7, and put it back in the DTV DVR.

Here's the problem.

I can no longer get inputs 6 and 7 to produce video as it was, DVD on 6, DTV on 7. So I thought the HDMI ports 6 and 7 were dead. I take the HDMI cable out of the DTV DVR, and put it back into the cable box. I now get picture. WTF!

I hooked up the cable box using component cables, have the DTV DVR on HDMI 7 and DVD on HDMI 6, but get no picture from 6 or 7.

HEEEEELLLLLLLPPPPP :(


First, the simple suggestions:


1) Shut off the set, and check to ensure everything is plugged in fully. Turn on the set, and see what you have working.

2) If this fails, shut off the set, and unplug the cable and DTV DVR boxes. Wait about 3 minutes. Plug the boxes back in and turn set back on.

Most likely this is a, HDMI "handshake" problem, introduced by the cable box, which is usually rectified by turning the set off and on, maybe need to do that more than once.

Once you get things the way you want, make sure the cable box is the most current box the cable company is offering.

umr suggested that I may want to turn cinema black pro off while viewing during the daytime, to increase brightness.


I do that.

First, the simple suggestions:


1) Shut off the set, and check to ensure everything is plugged in fully. Turn on the set, and see what you have working.

2) If this fails, shut off the set, and unplug the cable and DTV DVR boxes. Wait about 3 minutes. Plug the boxes back in and turn set back on.

Most likely this is a, HDMI "handshake" problem, introduced by the cable box, which is usually rectified by turning the set off and on, maybe need to do that more than once.

Once you get things the way you want, make sure the cable box is the most current box the cable company is offering.

I did all of this and I have come to two conclusions:

1) The DVD player was in Direct Pure mode, so I turned that off and now it works on that the HDMI 6 port on the back of the TV.

2) The DTV unit says that HDMI is not connected. I think the HDMI port on the SAT box (which is known to go south) is now dead. I connected the DTV DVR via components and will live with it that way until I get the motivation to open her up and explore...

Thanks Guys!

...and I recorded it on the 6412 on the Plasma. I am not sure I want to add lamp hours on the Q for AI. I see it is on tonight, too. How many auditions will they show? I mean when will the show begin for real?

mpsan,
The auditions last a few weeks, but I like them better than the actual sing off. There are some real oddballs that audition, great fun :eek: :D

Yes, I am sitting it out, too. I can not wait 'til Netflix has HD content, but I am afraid it will be a long time before we see that...if ever.


Good point; the Gates quote was just an aside to my main point that -- as I am starting to perceive it -- the technically savvy consumer may be much better served by HD-DVD than by BluRay. I was initially swayed by the argument that BR was a more sophisticated format with more storage. Now I'm thinking HD-DVD has enough space to do the job, while maintaining our ability to copy a disc for personal use. Sony may have more studios on their side, but HD-DVD will be first to market. In the end it will be up to us, the humble consumers. I think it's interesting that someone like me, who is usually an early adopter, is choosing to sit this one out. I wonder how many people will make a similar choice and simply decide to wait for the dust to settle...

Hello Mr. Dude.

I have no problem with someone who is just so bad that they are there on a bet. But, I have a big problem with someone who does believe they are the next Idol...and they just do not know how bad they are. This is the case when they are from a small town and/or their family thinks they are great. When you can see that they are hurt by the comments...it bothers me. This kind of situation always bothered me even when I was a kid (and I AM older than PM). I was sure no goodie-two-shoes, but I just do not like it when someone is made fun of...when they can not help it.

mpsan,
The auditions last a few weeks, but I like them better than the actual sing off. There are some real oddballs that audition, great fun :eek: :D

Sorry to butt in but I'm very new to these discussion boards and didn't know where else to start.

Tim

timcolo,
You started just like you should, with the first post :D It is very cool that you joined on the anniversary of this thread :cool:

Welcome aboard and congratulations :)

Hello Mr. Dude.

I have no problem with someone who is just so bad that they are there on a bet. But, I have a big problem with someone who does believe they are the next Idol...and they just do not know how bad they are. This is the case when they are from a small town and/or their family thinks they are great. When you can see that they are hurt by the comments...it bothers me. This kind of situation always bothered me even when I was a kid (and I AM older than PM). I was sure no goodie-two-shoes, but I just do not like it when someone is made fun of...when they can not help it.


Hey, I didn't put the show on the air. And anyone that goes on the show knows what they are getting into.

OH, no question...I just said that it makes me a little sad at times.

I am going to watch last nights show in a few minutes.

Hey, I didn't put the show on the air. And anyone that goes on the show knows what they are getting into.

Regarding your HDMI and Cable box issue. It would help to know what cable box you have. I have had a handshake issue from time to time with my Scientific Atlanta 8300 and my Qualia through HDMI. Sometimes I get no picture and sometimes I get a flashing picture. It is definetly a handshake issue. That is why I also have the cable box atached via component.

I have found a solution which works 99% of the time. The HDMI connection must be perfect and aligned.

The real solution is to first turn your TV on wait till you get the Display information than turn on your cable box. That seems to have solved the handshake issue. Somebody recommended that on the board and it worked.

Arnie

Anybody noticed this. Now that I turn on my Q, it takes a little longer now to brighten up. Remember I had just replaced my bulb a few days ago.

:D

Nope, we have never seen House. My sister has a Bio and Chem degree and went to work in a hospital lab for 20+ years. She does know a lot though!
It’s an inside joke on HOUSE.

Often only his patients see House’s fellows, while the Man likes to work in the background.

When he does appear unannounced in front of a patient and begins giving orders to his fellows the patient becomes vexed as to “who the hell THIS guy is”……….

House simply, likes to reply …..

“I’m from the lab.” :rolleyes:

Penton, M.D. Ph.D.
(simply means one doesn’t know when it’s time to quit and stop eating sh*t all day long :o )
(the more D’s accumulated means the more dumb you are compared to other people)

Post-Op fever broke this a.m.
Now with ouchies all over.

Nose tweaked to one side. Zee wife says simply to turn my head to one side (like Brian Williams ? on NBC Nightly News) when talking to people rather than having it straightened.

Retiring for more Qualia viewing.

Sorry for missing our anniversary.

Sorry for missing our anniversary.

Given the (painful) circumstances, you're excused. There's always next year, as well as post #10,000, etc. :)

It’s an inside joke on HOUSE.

Often only his patients see House’s fellows, while the Man likes to work in the background.

When he does appear unannounced in front of a patient and begins giving orders to his fellows the patient becomes vexed as to “who the hell THIS guy is”……….

House simply, likes to reply …..

“I’m from the lab.” :rolleyes:

Penton, M.D. Ph.D.
(simply means one doesn’t know when it’s time to quit and stop eating sh*t all day long :o )
(the more D’s accumulated means the more dumb you are compared to other people)

I could have sworn, based on real life experiences, that Ph.D. stood for "Pile it Higher and Deeper" :confused:

Anybody noticed this. Now that I turn on my Q, it takes a little longer now to brighten up. Remember I had just replaced my bulb a few days ago.

I've noticed green blobs while warming up... :eek:

green stuff from magnetic interence?

I've noticed green blobs while warming up... :eek:

BenDover,

I just turned mine on and looked closely, no green blobs and normal warm-up.

Just sitting here warming up the Q006 -- and waiting for Jeff from Accucal to show up. Can't wait to get the big box calibrated; will post details later...

Just sitting here warming up the Q006 -- and waiting for Jeff from Accucal to show up. Can't wait to get the big box calibrated; will post details later...

You're in for an evening of enjoyment. Please tell umr I send my regards; I can't believe he's still on the road :)

I've gone back to his calibrated settings, but find myself toggling direct mode from time to time. However, my eyes have settled in on the calibrated look, and I'm definitely enjoying the Q006.

I do see some *noise* from time to time in dark areas of the picture, in dark scenes. Maybe you can ask Jeff if he has a simple suggestion for me.

Thanks, and enjoy your calibration experience!

jb007

BenDover,

I just turned mine on and looked closely, no green blobs and normal warm-up.

I was kind of half joking, but I do on occasion see a faint green blob (well, not necessarily green all the time) when starting up and the signal from the cable box is generating a solid gray screen (the color of the gray bars on cbs; my box defaults to CBSHD when it starts up).

You're in for an evening of enjoyment. Please tell umr I send my regards; I can't believe he's still on the road :)

I've gone back to his calibrated settings, but find myself toggling direct mode from time to time. However, my eyes have settled in on the calibrated look, and I'm definitely enjoying the Q006.

I do see some *noise* from time to time in dark areas of the picture, in dark scenes. Maybe you can ask Jeff if he has a simple suggestion for me.

Thanks, and enjoy your calibration experience!

jb007

Noise in dark areas is an inherent deficiency in MPEG-2...one of the many wonders forthcoming in AVC/H.264

I was kind of half joking, but I do on occasion see a faint green blob (well, not necessarily green all the time) when starting up and the signal from the cable box is generating a solid gray screen (the color of the gray bars on cbs; my box defaults to CBSHD when it starts up).

I was going to ask what you were smoking :D

You're in for an evening of enjoyment. Please tell umr I send my regards; I can't believe he's still on the road :)Wow... :eek:

Not sure which expletives to use describing the changes that Jeff has brought about; the difference on my set is -- to my picky eye -- a very substantial improvement.

First, some of the early sets apparently came from the factory with incorrect gamma settings. In my case this was throwing off all my other settings, despite my best intentions. I can go into more detail later, but here are the biggest differences that I am seeing:

HD/DVR via the Comcast 6412 over HDMI:
Well, this is just spectacular -- I'm watching some short on DiscoveryHD about snakes, and the image is a herpetologist's wet dream. Intense, vivid colors, perfect saturation, greatly improved reds (this was a shocker, as I always thought the reds on this set were already great), and really lovely blacks. The only changes I am playing with on this source are the Qualia's controls for power saving; some video sources look better in reduced mode while others look better in standard. Video-based sources like "Letterman" seem to do better with the slight added "pop" of standard mode. CSI (Vegas) looks better to me in reduced mode, as it really makes the nighttime flyover of Vegas look spectacular...

DVD via the Pioneer DV-59AVi over HDMI:
More surprises here. I have been feeding DVD into the Q006 at 480I over HDMI. While this setting was the best way to go with the old Sony 975, changing this to 1080I -- along with the other calibration adjustments -- has really improved the picture. On my "Bourne Supremacy" disc these differences were readily apparent. At the beginning of the disc -- shot in Indonesia (I think) the colors are just spectacular. A favorite test of mine is when Marie goes through a scrapbook that she and Jason keep to trigger his memory (they hope). This is a great test for DVD players, as the sheets of paper have different colors, textures, and text sizes. Being able to resolve these different details clearly and cleanly is quite the challenge.

DVHS via the JVC 40K over iLink:
If the others are "wow" then this one is "WOW". Unbelievably detailed test patterns with even better-looking video footage. The Space Shuttle footage is just remarkable. The improvement in detail is so dramatic that compression errors -- which are tough to see on DVHS -- were clearly visible on the blue sky "long shots" of the shuttle after launch. The footage of the shuttle in orbit over the Earth is simply amazing; the blacks are superb, the colors are spot-on, and the smallest details (like the texture on the shuttle tiles) are clearly visible. Did you know that different tiles on the shuttle have different textures depending on their function? You do now...

In short, Jeff offers major bang-for-the-buckage, is incredibly efficient and thorough, and is extremely easy to work with to boot. Two thumbs up, and Elmo is positively drooling whenever the Purina commercials come on...

Welcome to the Qualia Calibrated Club :D

Noise in dark areas is an inherent deficiency in MPEG-2...one of the many wonders forthcoming in AVC/H.264

I thought it was only me who was seeing this. Some dark scenes have picture deterioration and a greenish tint. Dark scenes (even dark clothing) on 24 were hard to watch. I have had my set calibrated by Eliab which has no effect on these artifacts. This is not an issue on INHD, Discovery channel or broadcasts using HD camera images. It seesms to be an issue on NBC broadcasts but less so than FOX(but American Idol looks great).

UMR has not made trip to So Fla yet, and I will probably recalibrate with him when he does. Don't know if it will help based on JB's post.

What is AVC/H.264? When and will that solve this problem?

BTW, this is not an issue on my Panasonic TH-42PHD8UK 42 inch plasma which has a stunning picture. Is it because of the smaller screen?

Regarding your HDMI and Cable box issue. It would help to know what cable box you have. I have had a handshake issue from time to time with my Scientific Atlanta 8300 and my Qualia through HDMI. Sometimes I get no picture and sometimes I get a flashing picture. It is definetly a handshake issue. That is why I also have the cable box atached via component.

I have found a solution which works 99% of the time. The HDMI connection must be perfect and aligned.

The real solution is to first turn your TV on wait till you get the Display information than turn on your cable box. That seems to have solved the handshake issue. Somebody recommended that on the board and it worked.

Arnie

I have had an 8300 for two days now, and saw this last night. What I did to correct the issue was to tune in a SD program, then go back to an HD program. It's not the cable, rather the cable box's issue producing 1080i in my case. So I switched to 480i programming, then back to 1080i programming and the flashing stopped.

You're in for an evening of enjoyment. Please tell umr I send my regards; I can't believe he's still on the road :)

I've gone back to his calibrated settings, but find myself toggling direct mode from time to time. However, my eyes have settled in on the calibrated look, and I'm definitely enjoying the Q006.

I do see some *noise* from time to time in dark areas of the picture, in dark scenes. Maybe you can ask Jeff if he has a simple suggestion for me.

Thanks, and enjoy your calibration experience!

jb007

Try dropping the brightness a notch. MPEG compression artifacts are strong at low picture levels.

...
In short, Jeff offers major bang-for-the-buckage, is incredibly efficient and thorough, and is extremely easy to work with to boot. Two thumbs up, and Elmo is positively drooling whenever the Purina commercials come on...

Thank you for the kind comments.

I have had an 8300 for two days now, and saw this last night. What I did to correct the issue was to tune in a SD program, then go back to an HD program. It's not the cable, rather the cable box's issue producing 1080i in my case. So I switched to 480i programming, then back to 1080i programming and the flashing stopped.

I get that all the time as well and use the exact same procedure to cure it; it has really been prevalent lately. The last few updates they pushed to the 8300 have really screwed things up.

I sometimes get a black screen when playing back something recorded on the DVR now too...I'm starting to get pissed...I'm sure it has to do with content protection crap...what are they thinking, the stuff on the 8300 isn't leaving the 8300!

I thought it was only me who was seeing this. Some dark scenes have picture deterioration and a greenish tint. Dark scenes (even dark clothing) on 24 were hard to watch. I have had my set calibrated by Eliab which has no effect on these artifacts. This is not an issue on INHD, Discovery channel or broadcasts using HD camera images. It seesms to be an issue on NBC broadcasts but less so than FOX(but American Idol looks great).

UMR has not made trip to So Fla yet, and I will probably recalibrate with him when he does. Don't know if it will help based on JB's post.

What is AVC/H.264? When and will that solve this problem?

BTW, this is not an issue on my Panasonic TH-42PHD8UK 42 inch plasma which has a stunning picture. Is it because of the smaller screen?

AVC/H.264 is one of the codecs, likely the dominant over Microsoft's, that will be used in both of the new HighDef DVDs (i.e., HD-DVD and Blu-Ray). The codec is much more efficient and has many features that will greatly enhance perceived visual quality as well as greatly increase the efficiency of the codec. Will take a lot of horsepower to decode these bitstreams and unless you have a very high end video card (hardware implemented AVC/H.264 decoding) with a high end processor, your computer will choke when trying to decode.

BTW, all this discussion about High Def DVDs and 1080p, etc., I want to know when I will be able to receive broadcast material that uses the AVC/H.264 codec!! most of my viewing is broadcast!!

Is Scientific Atlanta or Motorola coming out with new cable boxes that will be able to handle AVC/H.264? I presume that when content starts becoming available on the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray formats that it will be available for broadcast, unless they plan on coding twice or reencoding the DVD conten...uggh!

...

BTW, this is not an issue on my Panasonic TH-42PHD8UK 42 inch plasma which has a stunning picture. Is it because of the smaller screen?


Smaller screen and lower resolving power...

OH...I saw an ad for the show and I think the new season is starting soon. May give it a try.

MPSAN, MEW.CD (Migrant Electronics Worker.Computer Division)

See, I have one D. :D

It’s an inside joke on HOUSE.

Often only his patients see House’s fellows, while the Man likes to work in the background.

When he does appear unannounced in front of a patient and begins giving orders to his fellows the patient becomes vexed as to “who the hell THIS guy is”……….

House simply, likes to reply …..

“I’m from the lab.” :rolleyes:

Penton, M.D. Ph.D.
(simply means one doesn’t know when it’s time to quit and stop eating sh*t all day long :o )
(the more D’s accumulated means the more dumb you are compared to other people)

I always heard that as well! Although I heard it as Piled Higher and Deeper! :D

But, to me, nothing is worse that the MBA's. I think they have killed Products! Don't get me started. OH, my 006 is still great (to keep this On Topic).


I could have sworn, based on real life experiences, that Ph.D. stood for "Pile it Higher and Deeper" :confused:

Hey Penton Man, how're you feeling?

Hello Q owners. I know some of you have the Harmony Remote. I was looking into getting either the 880 or 676. I wonder if any of you know which would be better. I assume they both control the Q very well. I have heard that the charger for the 880 is a pain and was thinking that the 676 may be a better way to go.

The $50 rebate helps as well...especially if a B&M has a good price on these.

TIA

In short, Jeff offers major bang-for-the-buckage, is incredibly efficient and thorough, and is extremely easy to work with to boot. Two thumbs up, and Elmo is positively drooling whenever the Purina commercials come on...
Well there ya go !

To all those doubting Thomas’s out there that questioned the value/merits of a umr calibration which I’ve been advocating since it seems even B.Q. (Before Qualia) !

What did I say early on this thread……something like……” you don’t go out and buy a Ferrari and then try to save money by not having the best guy you can find give it a tune-up.”

If memory serves me correct, the ORIGINAL doubting Thomas was…………………

??????????????????????????

Think people, think !!!!!!!

I’m still medicated but I believe I remember :cool: ……………..


It be ………………..

Colortv !

So, Colortv, if you’re lurking or ever do catch up to speed on this thread, you can probably catch umr in April or even later in the year for a SoCal cali and refine your 006, as I plan to do, once our schedules coincide. :)

OH...I saw an ad for the show and I think the new season is starting soon. May give it a try.

MPSAN, MEW.CD (Migrant Electronics Worker.Computer Division)

See, I have one D. :D
Well I also have an F. A. C. something or other after that which is stiched on the white coat (I can't read the last letter as it was worn off long ago) - which, for the life of me, I don't remember what I received it for.

I hope something good. :confused:

But, to me, nothing is worse that the MBA's. I think they have killed Products!
And medicine !

What did I say early on this thread……something like……” you don’t go out and buy a Ferrari and then try to save money by not having the best guy you can find give it a tune-up.”

:)

It is just like how I slapped 18 in. Bridgestone S03 tires on my new SL500 - I
did not hestitate to spend a few grand after what the car cost me :-)

Just made a great car that much better...

Hey Penton Man, how're you feeling?
Thanks for asking jb.

I guess if I'm posting that means improved.

Seriously, it only hurts now .....when I move !

So, what am I going to do in the next half hour?

Go out and ride !
The thing is, once the adrenalin starts flowing it is just as good a pain reliever as codeine but, I know I'll feel the consequences tonight at bedtime.

Envision what happened to me as one of those WWF ? wrastlers :D picking up his opponent (up-side down) and pile-driving him into the mat on his head and face. :eek:

The artifacts that you were describing before were exactly what brt and I suffered through and thus sent us both on the futile quest of an Algolith :eek: remedy.

Well, I sure would not know. :D
I will look at House ad next time I see it.

OH, since "D"'s count, I can be

MPSAN, MEW.CD.DASD

The DASD is Direct Access Storage Device

But those were the days of "big Iron".


Well I also have an F. A. C. something or other after that which is stiched on the white coat (I can't read the last letter as it was worn off long ago) - which, for the life of me, I don't remember what I received it for.

I hope something good. :confused:

Hello Q owners. I know some of you have the Harmony Remote. I was looking into getting either the 880 or 676. I wonder if any of you know which would be better. I assume they both control the Q very well. I have heard that the charger for the 880 is a pain and was thinking that the 676 may be a better way to go.

The $50 rebate helps as well...especially if a B&M has a good price on these.

TIA

mpsan,

I've used both and prefer the 880. It looks nicer (color screen) and I find the charger to be a great benefit over replacing batteries.

Not sure about medicine. In the "old days" a Company came out with a new item...like a radio...and it had more features, better sound, or could get more stations. The consumer got a better radio for his $$. Now, MBA's tell us that if we buy this company and get the "write off" of take this tax deduction, etc the Company will make a bigger profit. True, but for the consumer you still have the same old "radio", unchanged!

And medicine !

Since you have used both, are the buttons smaller on the 880 as I have heard? Can you operate the basic DVD functions (Sony 975) by touch without looking at a LCD all the time? Also, have they fixed the charging stand? One other thing...how long before you HAVE to charge the 880?

TIA,
Dave


mpsan,

I've used both and prefer the 880. It looks nicer (color screen) and I find the charger to be a great benefit over replacing batteries.

Since you have used both, are the buttons smaller on the 880 as I have heard? Can you operate the basic DVD functions (Sony 975) by touch without looking at a LCD all the time? Also, have they fixed the charging stand? One other thing...how long before you HAVE to charge the 880?

TIA,
Dave

1. It's been awhile now, so I honestly don't recall the sizes of the buttons on the old remote.

2. I have a Sony 975 as well. The LCD screen is rarely used when operating basic functions. There are hard play, stop, rew, ff, etc. keys on both remotes.

3. What was wrong with the charging stand? I know sometimes it doesn't make perfect contact, so you have to wiggle the remote to get a beep, but that's rare and I have two 880's.

4. The charger is really an illuminated base station. Therefore, when the remote (or TV) is not in use, the remote sits in the base station charging.

Hope this helps you in making a decision. If possible, you may want to visit a B&M store and hold each model in your hand.

2. So, are some of the items like Audio, etc on the LCD for the 975? Also nice to be able to turn CC off if they come on.

3. I have seen that they "fixed" the stand to make it work without playing with it and Logitech will send you an updated one.

4. Our remote will be on the Sofa as they are now and I would not want the charger there. That is why I asked how long a charge lasted. I was thinking that I would keep the charger on the wet bar in back of the room, and charge it once per ??? as needed.


I wonder if BestBuy has them both at their B&M? Rebate is good 'til April 25 so still have time to look for best price. I only need one as the two Plasma's use my Radio Shack 2117's and JP1. With JP1 you can do anything!

1. It's been awhile now, so I honestly don't recall the sizes of the buttons on the old remote.

2. I have a Sony 975 as well. The LCD screen is rarely used when operating basic functions. There are hard play, stop, rew, ff, etc. keys on both remotes.

3. What was wrong with the charging stand? I know sometimes it doesn't make perfect contact, so you have to wiggle the remote to get a beep, but that's rare and I have two 880's.

4. The charger is really an illuminated base station. Therefore, when the remote (or TV) is not in use, the remote sits in the base station charging.

Hope this helps you in making a decision. If possible, you may want to visit a B&M store and hold each model in your hand.