QUALIA 006 Owner's Thread [Text View] - Page 5

kaduku

02-04-05, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by Zechman
Only games listed to explicitly support 1080i will actually output 1080i. In the XBox dashboard, you should enable all resolutions that your TV can accept--for the Qualia, that means all of them. In addition, you'll need to tell your XBox that you have a wide-screen set (these menu options only appear if you have the High Definition AV Pack connected), and that you have a Dolby Digital receiver (assuming that you actually do and have the XBox connected to it).

In the case of a 720p game, you will want to have 720p turned on as a viable resolution in the XBox dashboard, and let your TV scale it up (or down) to its native resolution. The XBox will not up-scale a game to a higher resolution than the game supports. It will down-scale to 480i, and frankly I don't know if it will down-scale to 480p or not. When in doubt, look at the back of the box to see what resolutions are supported.

To put it another way, you don't get to choose what resolution(s) the game will display--the game designers have already chosen that for you. What you do get to do is tell the XBox what resolutions your TV is capable of displaying. If you have 480p turned off and 1080i turned on in the Dashboard settings, a 480p game will display at 480i.

jp2 (and kaduku): I don't know if this is something you already knew or not, and I'm not really directing this at you in particular--it's just that I read your response that way and wanted to make sure that no one else read it that way, too.

As for your second question, the 1080i game should indeed have higher resolution and more visible detail than a 480p game. Whether it actually looks or plays better is really dependent on the artists and game designers. I think you'd have a hard time convincing people that the Atari Anthology (1080i) is "better" than Halo 2 (480p). :D

--Dwayne

Thanks Dwayne for the additional info. I can't wait to try other games on the 006 like Need for Speed.

kaduku

02-04-05, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
Hi guys,

Just got the 006 yesterday and hooked it up. It was jaw dropping! The whites are the best I have seen, and the blacks are just as good or better than crt, IMO, Colortv. Beats my panny pdp hands down in every aspect. Nothing on the market can come close, but I'm not telling you all anything you already don't know. I feel lucky to have this set, and even more lucky to be a part of this forum. Now my wife knows what all the fuss was over!!

sj,
Glad to hear that your set came in one piece. I also look forward to hearing your reviews on your baby.

brt3

02-04-05, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by colortv
What complaints could you have with this thing? Maybe minor screen relection issues?

The only other thing I've noticed is that sometimes the Qualia image has a slight "digital" quality, as in very (excessively?) crisp edges, sometimes with a faint hint of "ringing" or double image where you have a strong contrast between a sharply defined edge and the background behind. This is not severe in any way -- my set is still not 100% dialed in, and because I'm still working on wiring issues the stand is not all the way back against the wall. I may be noticing these artifacts because I'm so close to the screen.

One other thing could be happening with this set and will doubtlessly be an issue for all of us Q006 owners. The resolution of this display is so high that it will ruthlessly display faults with the source material. The "problem" I describe above may be just that -- seeing faults with the source material, or artifacts induced by the transmission method, because they are not "masked" by a lower resolution display.

Ray

colortv

02-04-05, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Can any of you illustrious gentlemen clairify a question I have. I saw a current 70 inch Sony XBR today and from 14 feet with my tape measure I could not make our any SDE. I brought my tape measure so I could be sure I was viewing things from the exact distance of my couch.

The question is will I see a significant picture difference from the Qualia 006 vs the 70 XBR at this distance. I would assume the Qualia has a "better" picture but what I need help with is there a real world difference for the extra $7,000 to my viewing experience.

I made a similar comparison when I first saw the Qualia 006 at the Sony Store in Las Vegas. Granted, the two 70" displays were not in the same room for side-by-side evaluation, but I went between rooms watching the same show on Discovery HD from a similar 10' (approx) viewing distance. No doubt, the Qualia's PQ blew away the LCD RPTV. Even though the LCD's SDE doesn't jump out at 10' the Qualia's picture has a velvet smoothness and it's a heck of a lot crisper. I would not settle for a 720p display now that I've witnessed the superiority of 1080p SXRD.

The scaler is superior in the Qualia, the colors more accurate, the overall viewing experience much more satisfying. I understand budget constraints - I have them too. But will you be able to accept anything less than this TV? If you go for anything else, I suggest that you do not ever let a Qualia 006 in your sights or you will have major regrets. Pinch pennies, save up for it if at all possible. That said, I am glad there are less expensive HDTV's out there. Without them, the HD revolution would not happen. It will be great to see an HDTV for every pocketbook.

slocko

02-04-05, 05:21 PM

i think Motormouth already made the plunge. He just has to wait a while. 5 weeks I think?

Joel

02-04-05, 05:52 PM

Wait time is 4 weeks according to Sony cierge in NYC. The first shipment sold out, they are waiting for more to arrive from Japan. Or so they say.

Cheers

Neo2005

02-04-05, 06:34 PM

My stand builder and I have worked out the CD/DVD storage issues and this stand should hold 648 CDs using slide out CD / DVD storage units. Four doors / 4 compartments 1 shelf in the middle of each. Still looking for some nice small stained glass pannels for the doors. This stand will be approx. 21.5H x 85W x 26.5 D. That should put the middle of the screen at 49".
Anybody think that at 10 feet that would be tooooooo high with eye level at say 39-40"??

Coulld someone give me the actual screen measurements, excluding the foot stand and speakers.

Thanks

sparkysj

02-04-05, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by jb007
sparkysj,

You've contributed with posts to this thread before, so now that you're an "official" owner, we're expecting big things from you ;)

jb007,

I will do my best! I am a busy rural family practice physician with few cohorts and this keeps me hopping!!

Kaduku,

You mentioned a few pages back you had somewhat of a collection of superbit DVDs. Could you give me a couple titles you like beside the Fifth Element?

sj

kaduku

02-04-05, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Joel
Wait time is 4 weeks according to Sony cierge in NYC. The first shipment sold out, they are waiting for more to arrive from Japan. Or so they say.

This is exactly what I was afraid of. The time I am ready to make the move and they don't have in stock and the uncertainty of when they will be available for delivery. Glad I made the move!!!! I have friends coming over for Super Bowl and I can't wait to blow their minds away!!!!!!

kaduku

02-04-05, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj

You mentioned a few pages back you had somewhat of a collection of superbit DVDs. Could you give me a couple titles you like beside the Fifth Element?

sj,
All were awesome. I did finally get Fifth Element and it was superb! Both Spider-mans were also nice. It's really hard to recommend any, since they all great, though I really liked Starship Troopers and Leon The Professional.

sparkysj

02-04-05, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by colortv
I made a similar comparison when I first saw the Qualia 006 at the Sony Store in Las Vegas. Granted, the two 70" displays were not in the same room for side-by-side evaluation, but I went between rooms watching the same show on Discovery HD from a similar 10' (approx) viewing distance. No doubt, the Qualia's PQ blew away the LCD RPTV. Even though the LCD's SDE doesn't jump out at 10' the Qualia's picture has a velvet smoothness and it's a heck of a lot crisper. I would not settle for a 720p display now that I've witnessed the superiority of 1080p SXRD.

The scaler is superior in the Qualia, the colors more accurate, the overall viewing experience much more satisfying. I understand budget constraints - I have them too. But will you be able to accept anything less than this TV? If you go for anything else, I suggest that you do not ever let a Qualia 006 in your sights or you will have major regrets. Pinch pennies, save up for it if at all possible. That said, I am glad there are less expensive HDTV's out there. Without them, the HD revolution would not happen. It will be great to see an HDTV for every pocketbook.

Colortv,

I was reading about a new stand alone vidio processor/scaler Sony came out with this past month. So far they have not decided to ship overseas, just sell in Japan. Has high praise and selling like hotcakes. I would not be surprised if it wasn't the same proscessor Sony developed for the 006?

sj

Penton-Man

02-04-05, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by colortv

Someone mentioned they could not see much difference between a D-Theater 1080i tape of "Entrapment" and an SD DVD. I beg to differ - I rented the SD DVD and the HD D-Theater version blows it away. Not only in resolution, but color space. I would not recommend tying up a lot of $$ in a D-Theater movie collection, but I think the machine and a few D-Theater tapes are worth the investment for now to see how much you can get out of your Qualia 006. Also a nice way to archive HD content from the Qualia's tuner and a Firewire equipped STB/DVR. Most of us have some old VHS tapes we might want to play (rarely) and I've noticed my JVC 40000U seems to get more out of those old tapes than I would have expected. The Qualia DRC seems to massage those low res videos - I was surprised.
I also found that comment to be extremely surprising. I believe it was jb007 that made that observation.
Perhaps you guys should compare connections and settings so we all know that this isn't a case of comparing apples to oranges or whatever.

MotorMouth777

02-04-05, 08:11 PM

Neo2005

You can have my cardboard cutout that I made in my fantasy period....lol. Just make a rectangle 35 inches high by 61 inches wide and you got the viewing area of a 70 inch diagonal 16:9 TV

And yes guys, thanks to all of your support and information, I am finally making the plunge. I was able to come up with the extra "blood money" Sony is extorting out of us. Now the hard part is going to be the waiting.

If I had been born a rich kid named Winthorp I would not have had to wait like this. Unfortunately I am not part of the lucky sperm club and get to acturally work for a living.

Penton-Man

02-04-05, 08:25 PM

sparkysj-
Lawrence of Arabia is a superb SuperBit....not just because of what the SuperBit moniker implies - but it is a remaster of the original film -supervised by the actual director.

The settings and cinematography are embelished by the Qualia 006 and this is one DVD that you will actually feel like you're in a real movie theater....alas without the crying babies and other such distractions.

pepco

02-04-05, 08:45 PM

We need screenshots.

jb007

02-04-05, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I also found that comment to be extremely surprising. I believe it was jb007 that made that observation.
Perhaps you guys should compare connections and settings so we all know that this isn't a case of comparing apples to oranges or whatever.

It was me, I fess up and admit it :)

I have not compared Entrapment DVHS versus the DVD. I made the comment based on my observation between the DVHS (brand new 40000) playing Entrapment, which stutters and pixelizes into blocks at points (mostly after hitting the play button) and a Superbit DVD (Spidey 2 or 5th Element) on the Sony 975.

The DVHS is wired via firewire and component. The DVD is wired via HDMI and set to "auto" resolution. My component input (4) and HDMI (7) are both set to the same picture settings -- maybe that's the problem. I'm not saying I was disappointed with the DVHS picture, just that it is not noticeably different than the DVD picture. With HD via DirecTV or OTA, there is a discernible difference. Maybe I need to invite colortv down to San Diego for a visit (to show me what I'm doing wrong) :)

kaduku

02-04-05, 09:44 PM

Anyone,

Besides those expensive Monster or Panamax UPS, can I just use any ones like the APC UPS for computers. I just wonder if they are powerful enough to handle the 006 in case of a blackout. There was some discussion on this in earlier posts.

brt3

02-04-05, 10:01 PM

HiDef Bob

02-05-05, 02:25 AM

When I purchased my first television, it was the first Sony Triniton. The Trinition picture was clearly the best of all the sets on display at the store where I bought it. The Trinitron tube was revolutionary back then.

Now it looks like Sony has come up with another revolutionay display system ... the SXRD system. From what I have read on this thread and seen for myself, SXRD is blowing away the competition, just as the Trinitron did many years ago.

Up until the Qualia came along I saw nothing on the market in a large screen (>34') that interested me. New products would come along and sound exciting, but when I saw them I was disappointed. Now, I cannot wait for a smaller (50-60"), more affordable model to come out ... I will most definitely be placing an order!

MotorMouth777

02-05-05, 02:32 AM

Hey guys....I am beginning to get ready for the set. What DVD player do I want to purchase. Is there anything else that is a must have?

I don't want to spend a ton because hopefully the Blu-Ray will simply replace it within the next 12 months (assuming there will be blu-ray content to watch)

Getting the Qualia made me get off my lazy behind and install the rear matrix speakers for my 7.1 surround.............was lazy and had been slumming it with 5.1 Wow, 7.1 really adds depth to the soundstage. Especially with dual subs.

One less day till delivery day................................

MotorMouth777

02-05-05, 02:37 AM

Anyone know any reason that I could not use one of those new Mac-Mini's with its DVI out to output my picture albums on the 006. We have thousands and thousands of pictures all in digital form and it would seem to be a kick to output them to the big screen so everyone could enjoy them.

Also since this has DVI out then I think I could just use this as my temporary DVD player until Blu-Ray is avail.

At only $500 the mini seems tailor made for this purpose............any thoughts?

Near76

02-05-05, 03:33 AM

I have a HD Leeza KD-HD1080P scaler that can scale basically anything to 1080p. I have seen some posts that question the Qualia's 1080p input capabilities. Bottom line, before I drop $13k, will this accept the 1080p output from my Leeza? Any help would be much appreciated...thanks!

-Matt

colortv

02-05-05, 04:59 AM

Originally posted by jb007
It was me, I fess up and admit it :)

I have not compared Entrapment DVHS versus the DVD. I made the comment based on my observation between the DVHS (brand new 40000) playing Entrapment, which stutters and pixelizes into blocks at points (mostly after hitting the play button) and a Superbit DVD (Spidey 2 or 5th Element) on the Sony 975.

The DVHS is wired via firewire and component. The DVD is wired via HDMI and set to "auto" resolution. My component input (4) and HDMI (7) are both set to the same picture settings -- maybe that's the problem. I'm not saying I was disappointed with the DVHS picture, just that it is not noticeably different than the DVD picture. With HD via DirecTV or OTA, there is a discernible difference. Maybe I need to invite colortv down to San Diego for a visit (to show me what I'm doing wrong) :)

jb,

For starters, I suggest forgetting the Firewire connection of the DVHS machine to the TV. I saw the same kinds of problems via Firewire, but no problems at all via component cables. When the pix on Firewire was stable I could not tell the difference comparing it to component. Plus... you can't see the DVHS machine's on-screen menus via the Firewire connection, but you can see then through the component connection. So I'm quite satisfied with foregoing the Firewire route with the DVHS machine - something's not stable there. Perhaps the slightest digital videotape dropouts affect the integrity of the digital Firewire stream to the TV. It's possible there is no dropout compensation via Firewire. ??

colortv

02-05-05, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by kaduku
Anyone,

Besides those expensive Monster or Panamax UPS, can I just use any ones like the APC UPS for computers. I just wonder if they are powerful enough to handle the 006 in case of a blackout. There was some discussion on this in earlier posts.

I suggest you go to the website of the manufacturer of your choice and pick the UPS that has sufficient capacity. I included the demands of the cable box, DVHS, and a/v receiver and decided on the Belkin Battery Backup 1100 VA. I have the Belkin UPS plugged into the wall, then I have only a Monster Power conditioner HTS 5100 plugged into the UPS - all the components are then plugged into the Monster Power Conditioner. I called Monster directly about my concept and they reluctantly agreed that this setup would do the job I want for a decent price.

I'm sure you could use just a UPS and shut the set down fairly quickly after the power failure so that the blower in the Qualia can properly cool down the expensive lamp. Other theads on the AVS Forum have indicated that some DLP owners have had premature lamp failures after a power failure since the lamps were not able to be cooled down by forced air during the power outtage.

Some discussions have suggested that "pure sine wave" from pricier units such as the $1500 APC unit mentioned in the earlier thread are better than the square wave put out by cheaper units. As I understand it, the UPS feeds incoming untouched line voltage under normal power conditions. But if there is a power failure then the square wave battery output of the UPS will feed your devices. The TV picture will not be optimum when the sqaure wave is the output, so shutting down the set promptly would be a good idea. Most sources agree that the square wave does not damage the TV, but I plan to shut the TV down quick after a power failure to minimize square wave.

colortv

02-05-05, 05:22 AM

colortv

02-05-05, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Hey guys....I am beginning to get ready for the set. What DVD player do I want to purchase. Is there anything else that is a must have?

I don't want to spend a ton because hopefully the Blu-Ray will simply replace it within the next 12 months (assuming there will be blu-ray content to watch)

I have the Sony NS975V - I love it. Others including Penton like the Panny S97. These bargain priced players (under $300) are big performers for a great price. They have HDMI outputs, and even though they could scale the 480 DVD source up to 1080i to feed the Qualia, forget that. The Qualia's scaler is better - set the DVD player to output either 480i or 480p on the HDMI output and let your 006 do a superior scaling job up to 1080p.

There are reports of green depression and locked up trays with the Sony player, but I haven't had one problem with mine. The skin tones are perfect and the tray operates as it should. The Panny is purported to have macroblocking issues on some TV's but not all. A firmware patch may fix the Panny macroblocking. Of course there are more expensive DVD players out there, but like you I decided not to waste money on an expensive SD DVD player I won't use much in a year or two. In one form or another, high definition DVD players are coming in the not too distant future.

casey

02-05-05, 05:56 AM

MotorMouth777-

Looks like you and I will be among the last to get our Qualia's. I've been fixing up the room while I wait. I am hearing first week in March. Did you buy the Sony Stand? I am very happy with the stand I bought.

I picked up a Monster Cable HDMI / HDMI cable for the Qualia. I must also pick up a DVI / HDMI adapter to hook it up to my Sony STB. This summer I will pitch the adapter when the new DirecTV mpeg-4 STB's come out.

Congrat's on your purchase. Think Final Four party instead of Super Bowl!

27 days and counting.............................................:)

ToddD

02-05-05, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Anyone know any reason that I could not use one of those new Mac-Mini's with its DVI out to output my picture albums on the 006. We have thousands and thousands of pictures all in digital form and it would seem to be a kick to output them to the big screen so everyone could enjoy them.

Also since this has DVI out then I think I could just use this as my temporary DVD player until Blu-Ray is avail.

At only $500 the mini seems tailor made for this purpose............any thoughts?

I have a Mac Mini and I think it would be great for this setup. It does have DVI out and you'd have a choice of resolutions to run it at...all the way up to 1920X1200

As ColorTV pointed out you could add wireless keyboard and mouse (Bluetooth or regular RF) and have a cool solution

Two other thoughts on this....

1. Take a look over at the Mac HTPC forum...lots of new things going on over there that I'd bet have been spurred on by the Mini....you may find some software there that would add even more value to your idea.

2. The DVD drive in a Mini is a standard Laptop drive so after Blue Ray ships the Mini might just be your Blue Ray player:D

Dilbert1

02-05-05, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by brt3
The only other thing I've noticed is that sometimes the Qualia image has a slight "digital" quality, as in very (excessively?) crisp edges, sometimes with a faint hint of "ringing" or double image where you have a strong contrast between a sharply defined edge and the background behind. This is not severe in any way -- my set is still not 100% dialed in, and because I'm still working on wiring issues the stand is not all the way back against the wall. I may be noticing these artifacts because I'm so close to the screen.

One other thing could be happening with this set and will doubtlessly be an issue for all of us Q006 owners. The resolution of this display is so high that it will ruthlessly display faults with the source material. The "problem" I describe above may be just that -- seeing faults with the source material, or artifacts induced by the transmission method, because they are not "masked" by a lower resolution display.

Ray

I have noticed what you are talking about with DVDs. I noticed that when I managed to set my Denon 2010 to 480i the picture improved quite a bit. The image "edge" quality is highly dependant on the quality of the DVD. Don't be discouraged if you see less than desired edge "qualia" on a DVD - it is not the Sony.

My wife and I had friends over last night and we looked at HDdiscovery and quite a bit of DVDs. The Qualia left them speechless. You will enjoy the effects this set has on your friends. The entertainment room looks fantastic now with my components in a very nice stand to the left of the Qualia with bias lighting and accent lighting. Silk trees make wonderful shadows on the ceiling. The set is not too large any more and the wife approves.

We were blown away by "The Chronicals of Riddick" (the picture quality made you forgive the fact that the plot is flawed). Riddick was stunning and the scenes on the planet Crematoria with the burning atmosphere was jaw dropping amazing. I can't wait to try super bit like the "5th element" or perhaps "Lawerence of Arabia". Another DVD worth trying is Miyazaki's "Spirited Away". This amazing DVD (a wonderful plot) is incredible on the Qualia 006. Spirited Away is like an art show with amazing colors and beautiful drawings. And this was only DVD!!!!! Blue Ray with quality productions can only be better!!!

I take it back - this is not like commercial movies. There is no comparison!!!
We were all saying that we were seeing far more on the Qualia than any movie. I don't see how movie houses are going to compete in the future unless they are offering something like Imax or a dating service for teenagers. The only advantage is screen size.

With regard to black level I think that it is not a problem. There are many settings that affect black level.

I am using a $17.00 5000 Deg Kelvin daylight lamp that you can buy from Home Depot. It throws a beautiful bluish light with a slight violet tinge behind the TV that really adds to the drama. I highly recommend this. GE Plant & Aquarium fluorescent 28 inches long and about 20 watts. Mount the light fixture with double stick foam tape ($5.00) to the back of the TV.

For people that are waiting I do not think you will be disappointed. I stated earlier that the only thing you can get from this thread is that people are excited. That is a reasonable conservative response and view point when buying something sight unseen. As more people report you can have more confidence in the average report - which right now is spectacular. I just hope the set does not go Poof.

Dilbert

Penton-Man

02-05-05, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by Near76
I have a HD Leeza KD-HD1080P scaler that can scale basically anything to 1080p. I have seen some posts that question the Qualia's 1080p input capabilities. Bottom line, before I drop $13k, will this accept the 1080p output from my Leeza? Any help would be much appreciated...thanks!

-Matt
The jury is out on this but the general consesus is NO.
Perhaps when nhey gets his set calibrated in the next couple of weeks - we will be able to have a definitive answer.

Penton-Man

02-05-05, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by MotorMouth777

If I had been born a rich kid named Winthorp I would not have had to wait like this. Unfortunately I am not part of the lucky sperm club and get to acturally work for a living.
When I was a wee young laddie, I had to walk 5 miles in the snow to school everyday.............barefoot !:D........and backwards!:D :D

Penton-Man

02-05-05, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by colortv
jb,

For starters, I suggest forgetting the Firewire connection of the DVHS machine to the TV.
How about comparing settings guys?

Penton-Man

02-05-05, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by colortv

There are reports of green depression and locked up trays with the Sony player, but I haven't had one problem with mine. The skin tones are perfect and the tray operates as it should.
Green depression isn't an issue if you pass 480i over HDMI and let the Qualia do the scaling. It only happens if you have the DVD player do the upconvert.
Unfortunately, tray-locking and disc not playing problems continue to plague the Sony with varied reports stating that you can not buy them in Canada now and you also can't place them in your purchase basket if you go to the SonyStyle site.

Penton-Man

02-05-05, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by colortv
- set the DVD player to output either 480i or 480p
I suggest 480i.
A couple of people with high-priced external scalers have done A/
B comparisons between passing 480i over COMPONENT vs. 480p over DVI to their scalers and then to their display(non-Qualia owners) and the 480i even over component looked better than the 480p.

Penton-Man

02-05-05, 11:32 AM

Color-
Fire up that barbi and make sure you've got that extra propane tank ready for Sunday!
Here's hoping that it is indeed a Super Bowl and not a Stupor Bowl like so many have been in the past.
I just want a good game.

Penton-Man

02-05-05, 12:07 PM

Color-
I thought that you decided on an APC UPS not a Belkin unit??
Can you provide a link to the Belkin model you got and perhaps PM me as to where you purchased it.
I assume it was cheaper than the APC?

LRS3

02-05-05, 12:28 PM

Has anyone tried yet to install a center-channel speaker above the Qualia, perhaps on a dedicated shelf angled down slightly (with a lip to keep the speaker from sliding off!) toward the viewers/listeners? There doesn't seem to be a lot of room below the Qualia for a large center-channel speaker (unless you want to put it on a stand in front of the Qualia's stand, in which case it probably would be too far out in the room).

colortv

02-05-05, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by casey
MotorMouth777-

Looks like you and I will be among the last to get our Qualia's. I've been fixing up the room while I wait. I am hearing first week in March. Did you buy the Sony Stand? I am very happy with the stand I bought.

I picked up a Monster Cable HDMI / HDMI cable for the Qualia. I must also pick up a DVI / HDMI adapter to hook it up to my Sony STB. This summer I will pitch the adapter when the new DirecTV mpeg-4 STB's come out.

Congrat's on your purchase. Think Final Four party instead of Super Bowl!

27 days and counting.............................................:)

Check the prices on the cables from RAM who advertise at the top of these AVS pages. Their prices on cables are far cheaper than what I have found locally and the quality is excellent.

I doubt if you guys will be the last to get Qualia 006's. Sony would be in bad shape if no one else bought them after you. :)

sparkysj

02-05-05, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by LRS3
Has anyone tried yet to install a center-channel speaker above the Qualia, perhaps on a dedicated shelf angled down slightly (with a lip to keep the speaker from sliding off!) toward the viewers/listeners? There doesn't seem to be a lot of room below the Qualia for a large center-channel speaker (unless you want to put it on a stand in front of the Qualia's stand, in which case it probably would be too far out in the room).

LRS3,

There should be plenty of room in the stand for an average to large center speaker (about 11.5 in. clearance) unless your center speaker is not oblong, you could mount in on the wall with a bracket or shelf that doesn't extend out too far.

sj

colortv

02-05-05, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by ToddD
I have a Mac Mini and I think it would be great for this setup. It does have DVI out and you'd have a choice of resolutions to run it at...all the way up to 1920X1200

As ColorTV pointed out you could add wireless keyboard and mouse (Bluetooth or regular RF) and have a cool solution

Two other thoughts on this....

1. Take a look over at the Mac HTPC forum...lots of new things going on over there that I'd bet have been spurred on by the Mini....you may find some software there that would add even more value to your idea.

2. The DVD drive in a Mini is a standard Laptop drive so after Blue Ray ships the Mini might just be your Blue Ray player:D

I considered using a Mac Mini along with Elegato's EyeTV 500 HD recording package which includes an ATSC tuner. The software/hardware package allows recording of ATSC HD and unencrypted cable programs to your Mac's internal drive or external Firewire drive. You can edit out the commercials or unwanted content. The DVI output of the Mac could be fed to the Qualia 006.

I specifically asked Elegato customer support if the Mac Mini would work with their EyeTV software. The answer: kind of. The Mini or even a lesser Mac can record the incoming HD video, no problem. But the Mini's processor is too slow and can't play back full rez mpeg 2 HD. You can burn SD DVD's of your HD recordings - the software does the conversion, pretty slick. But to play back full resolution HD video you need a dual processor G5 Mac. That would make for one very pricey DVR! So I don't see the Mac Mini as an HD DVR solution.

Here's the response from Elegato customer support:

EyeTV 500 only records unencrypted cable, so no authorization is necessary. Most of your cable line is encyrpted, and EyeTV 500 can't receive that.

EyeTV 500 will work on a 256 MB Mac mini, right out of the box.

However, the CPU will almost completely used just to show video. All video you see will not be in HDTV resolution, but instead a quarter of that. The frame rate will be good.

The recordings you make will still be in HDTV resolution, but your Mac mini can't play them fully. Thus, we scale down playback on the fly.

The quality of HDTV content will be very similar to a professionally made DVD (about 720 by 480).

More RAM is recommended, and a faster processor never hurts.

To see HDTV resolutions with all of the frames, you'll need a Dual G5.

colortv

02-05-05, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Color-
I thought that you decided on an APC UPS not a Belkin unit??
Can you provide a link to the Belkin model you got and perhaps PM me as to where you purchased it.
I assume it was cheaper than the APC?

Penton,

I made a mistake in an old post on this. I did not buy the APC UPS after learning about a really special deal on the Belkin website. Enter the coupon code 12345 and you will get 50% off any Belkin UPS. It shows up in the checkout cart as a "friends of Belkin promotion." I just tested it - the offer is still good (be sure to click the red "redeem coupon" button). It arrived the day after I ordered it on Belkin's website. They are located in Compton, CA here in SoCal.

If the link below doesn't work, go to http://www.belkin.com and look for model 1100VA in the UPS section.

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=76&pcount=&Product_Id=171958

colortv

02-05-05, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Green depression isn't an issue if you pass 480i over HDMI and let the Qualia do the scaling. It only happens if you have the DVD player do the upconvert.
Unfortunately, tray-locking and disc not playing problems continue to plague the Sony with varied reports stating that you can not buy them in Canada now and you also can't place them in your purchase basket if you go to the SonyStyle site.

That explains why I'm not seeing any green issues I guess. I'm still happy with the player - so far so good. Sony's probably going to replace the player with something different, who knows if it will be better or more reliable. If I have a problem you can be sure I'll remind them of the trouble reports and get it taken care of, even out of warranty if need be. But as I said, so far so good!

Dilbert1

02-05-05, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by brt3

One other thing could be happening with this set and will doubtlessly be an issue for all of us Q006 owners. The resolution of this display is so high that it will ruthlessly display faults with the source material. The "problem" I describe above may be just that -- seeing faults with the source material, or artifacts induced by the transmission method, because they are not "masked" by a lower resolution display.

Ray

I agree, so far. There is considerable difference from DVD to DVD. I have not tried super bit so far. Is it really worth the extra cost? I would love to get Lawrence of Arabia.

Also, is it worth using DVI/HDMI over component? My receiver switches component and I would like to use the DVI/HDMI for the computer.

Dilbert1

Dilbert1

02-05-05, 03:41 PM

Dilbert1

02-05-05, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by colortv

I'm sure you could use just a UPS and shut the set down fairly quickly after the power failure so that the blower in the Qualia can properly cool down the expensive lamp. Other theads on the AVS Forum have indicated that some DLP owners have had premature lamp failures after a power failure since the lamps were not able to be cooled down by forced air during the power outtage.

I just read your comment about lamp life. You would think the manual would address this issue formally.

Dilbert1

ToddD

02-05-05, 04:03 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by colortv
I considered using a Mac Mini along with Elegato's EyeTV 500 HD recording package which includes an ATSC tuner. The software/hardware package allows recording of ATSC HD and unencrypted cable programs to your Mac's internal drive or external Firewire drive. You can edit out the commercials or unwanted content. The DVI output of the Mac could be fed to the Qualia 006.

I specifically asked Elegato customer support if the Mac Mini would work with their EyeTV software. The answer: kind of. The Mini or even a lesser Mac can record the incoming HD video, no problem. But the Mini's processor is too slow and can't play back full rez mpeg 2 HD. You can burn SD DVD's of your HD recordings - the software does the conversion, pretty slick. But to play back full resolution HD video you need a dual processor G5 Mac. That would make for one very pricey DVR! So I don't see the Mac Mini as an HD DVR solution.

Here's the response from Elegato customer support:

EyeTV 500 only records unencrypted cable, so no authorization is necessary. Most of your cable line is encyrpted, and EyeTV 500 can't receive that.

EyeTV 500 will work on a 256 MB Mac mini, right out of the box.

However, the CPU will almost completely used just to show video. All video you see will not be in HDTV resolution, but instead a quarter of that. The frame rate will be good.

The recordings you make will still be in HDTV resolution, but your Mac mini can't play them fully. Thus, we scale down playback on the fly.

The quality of HDTV content will be very similar to a professionally made DVD (about 720 by 480).

More RAM is recommended, and a faster processor never hurts.

To see HDTV resolutions with all of the frames, you'll need a Dual G5.

/QUOTE]

It would be great if the Mini would work as a ATSC DVR but I agree that it will not at this point. Some other on the forum are working to come up with some way to handle this problem. In my case I do not care as my PVR solution is the HD Tivo and I'm looking forward to the MPEG 4 unit from Directv...But as a DVD player \ photo viewer \ Audio playback HTPC...it's going to be good....

Edit:
But then again I just found this over on the Mac HTPC part of the forum:
"Who has tried 1080i with EyeTV and Mini 1.4? I've just received my second unit for timeshifting and I'm having only rare visible frame drops on a 1920x1088 PBS feed ranging 16.5 to 18.5Mbps on my Rev. 1 12" PB 867 G4 using the lastest 1.7. This has an inferior graphics chipset and near half the processor speed." Maybe It can do it all!

Neo2005

02-05-05, 04:20 PM

Quote:" Has anyone tried yet to install a center-channel speaker above the Qualia, perhaps on a dedicated shelf angled down slightly (with a lip to keep the speaker from sliding off!) toward the viewers/listeners? There doesn't seem to be a lot of room below the Qualia for a large center-channel speaker (unless you want to put it on a stand in front of the Qualia's stand, in which case it probably would be too far out in the room)."

If I'm correct your screen face should be 23" from the wall, I have been looking at a TV mount bracket that would adjust to put my PSB center speaker overtop and out to where the screen face will be. I found this one, and it looks like it would do the job. Please let me know where exactly the screen face falls out from your back wall.

http://www.bracketsandstands.com/brackets12.htm

mpsan

02-05-05, 05:33 PM

Hello:

Is this pure sine-wave power? Also, I do not see how much they charge for shipping. Do you have to buy it to see? I assume 640 Watts is enough for the TV alone. Also, I notice that they have a 1250VA unit that is supposed to be pure sine-wave for $179, which would be $89.50. I wonder if it is worth the extra $13 or so?

TIA

Originally posted by colortv
Penton,

I made a mistake in an old post on this. I did not buy the APC UPS after learning about a really special deal on the Belkin website. Enter the coupon code 12345 and you will get 50% off any Belkin UPS. It shows up in the checkout cart as a "friends of Belkin promotion." I just tested it - the offer is still good (be sure to click the red "redeem coupon" button). It arrived the day after I ordered it on Belkin's website. They are located in Compton, CA here in SoCal.

If the link below doesn't work, go to http://www.belkin.com and look for model 1100VA in the UPS section.

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=76&pcount=&Product_Id=171958

Penton-Man

02-05-05, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Dilbert1
I agree, so far. There is considerable difference from DVD to DVD. I have not tried super bit so far. Is it really worth the extra cost? I would love to get Lawrence of Arabia.

Get it !!!!!!!!!!!! It is movie- making at its best and the new transfer isn't nearly as grainy as the old.

Are Superbits worth the extra cost?

The one thing that I think is the most important part about the superbit titles: is CONSISTENCY! Yes, other Studios also make reference titles but, it’s always HIT AND MISS with them! The Superbit label on a DVD is what THX should have been, but ISN'T.

You can buy superbit titles without reading a review beforehand. You know exactly what you get. As I said, that’s what THX should have been all along.

Studio consistency overview:
Columbia: Superbit consistenly 'reference'; all others consistently 'good'; never a turd
Fox: X-Men 'reference', Moulin Rouge 'great'; DH3 'horrible'.
Paramount: Braveheart 'reference'; Forrest Gump 'good-mediocre'; Tomb Raider 'flat'.
New Line: Blade, Seven 'reference'; Rush Hour 2 'mediocre'.
Warner: The Pledge 'ultimate reference'; all others recently consistently 'great'.
Universal: Erin Brokovich, Pitch Black, U-571, Fast and the Furious 'reference'; American Pie 2 'good' (too dark, muddy); Jurassic Park 1+2 'mediocre'.
MGM: Hannibal 'great'; all latest dual WS/PS releases 'mediocre';
Disney: Remember the Titans, The Insider 'reference'; Tombstone 'bad'; is getting much better overall.

The studio that puts out the best transfers 'on average' is probably Warner. Fox also has lots of good ones and only a few Turds.

But Columbia is the ONLY studio where I now know EXACTLY what I get when I buy a title.

Columbia’s non-SB titles ALL look alike:
- a bit soft, because horizontal filtered
- a fair bit ringing/EE
- good black level (mostly a tad too hot, which is much preferred over drowned blacks)
- perfect shadow delineation
- perfect color hues and saturation (if not a tad too saturated at times)
None of the non-SB titles are close to reference, but at least they are never bad.

And their new SB titles ALSO all look alike:
- very high detail, horizontally non-filtered

- a bit of aliasing because of the above, a non-issue IMO because its a sign of the high detail; the same amount of detail without aliasing WOULD be possible with a better down-conversion filter, though.
- still a bit EE, but much higher in frequency, really thin edge halos, so not as big a deal as on the non-SB
- every other aspect like delineation and colors as good as non-SB

Anyway, the consistency on the SB lineup is most welcome, at least from me.(the above for the most part is courtesy of Bjoern)

So, while it’s a shame that Col/Tri needs a 'Superbit' label to achieve what others have been doing (selectively) for some time now, its still a good thing.

After all that, what probably even outperforms all of the above (if colortv can just get jb007 to tweak his D-Theater unit comparably) are DVHS movies – but man are THEY expensive.

HiDef Bob

02-05-05, 07:56 PM

Has anyone see "Hero" on the Qualia 006. Anyone who has seen this movie will remember the scene with the leaves. I think this would be an excellent test to see how the Qualia handles the mass of swirling leaves (any artifacts) and the part at the end of the scene where everything turns red (any blooming).

I think this film is a masterpiece of picture and sound. The DTS sound track is stunning. It features the music of KODO and Itzak Perlman.

RDO CA

02-05-05, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by LRS3
Has anyone tried yet to install a center-channel speaker above the Qualia, perhaps on a dedicated shelf angled down slightly (with a lip to keep the speaker from sliding off!) toward the viewers/listeners? There doesn't seem to be a lot of room below the Qualia for a large center-channel speaker (unless you want to put it on a stand in front of the Qualia's stand, in which case it probably would be too far out in the room).

Key West --one of my favorite places in the world--sunset at Mallory Square ---beer an oysters at the Half shell Raw Bar --Memories --but back to the question --you might try this if your speaker weight is low enough

http://www.racksandstands.com/prods/Sanus/TVSb-and-TVSc/Center-Channel-Speaker-Stands/0C276/0PSY0054.htm#additional

Roy

jb007

02-05-05, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
How about comparing settings guys?

colortv,

I've tweaked my settings some on Input 4 and must say "There's Something About Mary" looked pretty darn good on DVHS.

Here's one issue I'm having...I believe you wrote you were successful in recording via firewire from the 006, as well as your STB (remember I'm on DirecTV). I know there was discussion about this earlier and the question was whether the 006 outputs, as well as inputs, via firewire. When I set my 006 to antenna and tune in a digital station (or any station for that matter via OTA) on the 006 and then set the DVHS to I-1 (firewire), I don't get any image or audio. Is there something else I should be doing ar a setting I am missing on the 006 or JVC? Thanks!

MotorMouth777

02-05-05, 11:26 PM

To anyone who already has this set..........

Is this BS or not?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=505875

Hey folks,

Well, I've seen the Sony Qualia 006 70" RPTV in two places. Wow! What a killer display - lives up to the hype. Punchy, rich in color, rich contrast (the blacks are actually black!) incredible resolution!

But I haven't been able to truly evaluate it in a controlled way yet - only seen it on store settings.

In the second set-up I saw it at the Sony Store. As usual, it was a careless, incompetent set-up, with rolling green bars of an interference pattern passing over the Hi-Def picture. What a shame.

I had a few DVDs and asked the salesman to hook up a DVD player. This way I could by-pass the interference problem and see how it handled DVDs. The salesman brought out a DVD player and 25 minutes of incompetency later (I had to keep grabbing the remotes from him to actually get anything done) he had it hooked up via S-Video. He just couldn't do it with component at the moment he said. Sigh.

I only had a brief time with the display, but even in that set-up the Qualia showed tremendous potential. The smoothness and lack of pixels, obviously. But also the contrast was terrific when I turned the lights off.
As well, the depth of the image was excellent. And talk about fine color and picture detail!

One thing though: at first I didn't notice it, but after a while I caught on the this subtle blurring of moving images. And since I was looking mostly at dialog scenes I was aware of it on the actor's faces. If their face was perfectly still the image was crystal clear. But as the actor's moved their face as they talk - I mean even normal, subtle movements of their face - I could see the image blurring and "re-grouping" at the point their face stopped. Like digital compression that isn't quite up to the task of motion.

Now, I've read that the Qualia doesn't quite match the motion response of a good tube set (or even a good plasma, if I have it right). Could the Qualia's slightly slow motion response be what I'm seeing? It was very subtle and only something an anal videophile would likely notice, but it was certainly happening.

Any comments?

Thanks,

__________________
Rich H

pepco

02-06-05, 12:52 AM

Please post screenshots

Penton-Man

02-06-05, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
To anyone who already has this set..........

Is this BS or not?
_________________
Rich H
Theoretical presumptions (based upon suboptimal calibration and limited viewing experience) by people that rationalize that the 006 is not worth the money….since they probably couldn’t afford it anyway.

Similar to the discussions that go on in the 004 thread by people that don’t actually own the projector.

Don’t worry motormouth, it’s as good as it gets.

Tulsa1

02-06-05, 02:11 AM

Hello fellow Qualians,
Sorry for taking so long to report back after the delivery Thursday but I
didn't get the chance to fire it up until Friday after work. I am very
disappointed to report bad news at this point. It seems the tv has
some sort of internal intermittent problem which greatly effects picture
quality. Not even the integrated tuner can produce a quality picture.
I have tried everything possible to narrow down the problem with no
certain conclusions. One minute it can look satisfactory then looks like crap.
It is unpredictable. I have moved the feeds back to my plasma for the
game tomorrow. What a HUGE disappointment this has been so far.
I guess I will contact the guys at LV to see how they want to handle this.
Knocked the wind out my sails:(

Martin

Barrybud

02-06-05, 02:59 AM

Is anyone seeing false contouring on this unit?

The Executor

02-06-05, 03:08 AM

Tulsa1,

Could you provide us with any specifics about the image problem you are experiencing?. Is it a motion artifact? color? Please let us know. I am very interested in seeing how sony's concierge will handle this situation. One of the reasons why I decided against the Qualia was their no return policy. PLease keep us informed.

MotorMouth777

02-06-05, 03:21 AM

Tulsa1............Man we all feel sorry for you. What a bummer to get this set in your house in advance of the SuperBowl and then its FUBAR. Yikes....... At least you got another HDTV as fallback. That would definitely bum me out.

Was the delivery process "normal"....any excessive manhandling that you could see. Packaging unblemished?

Let us know how your "Cierge" makes this right for you. I assume that since Qualia is the "premier" line they are all over this like stink on you-know-what. Seems like here is an opportunity for SONY and Qualia to step up to the plate and justify why we are all willing to pay big bucks for not only their products and their service but for the premium experience of owning Qualia.

I bought one of the very first 996's in 1999 (after waiting for 11 months) and within 1 hour of delivery one of the seals on the transmission blew and all my hydraulic fluid spewed forth. Clutch went right to the floor and I was stranded. Imagine my embarrassment in front of my friends...especially after waiting for so long for such a "special" car. Probably very similar to your feelings with your friends about your TV

Seems for some of the very first cars this was an issue. Believe me I gave them some chin-music like they have never heard before. Porsche had the dealership owner loan me his personal Porsche while they specially trucked in a replacement car. Gave me a $2,500 voucher for my next Porsche as well. They kept me as a customer and today I still buy their products and think highly of the brand because of how they fixed my problem the right way....and in a big way.

Tulsa1

02-06-05, 03:48 AM

I will probably have to wait till Monday morning to contact anyone but I
will keep you all informed how they resolve this. I hope the replacement
takes a better path than my first one. It went to Dallas then Ok City
via NVC, then a local company of their choosing put it on a rental truck
and drove to four small towns in Okla before bringing it here.
Then one of the two guys couldn't lift it and they moved it with one small
dolly balanced in the center of the box. I had to help to get it in the house.
I bet this won't happen with the second unit:mad: :(
I hope they do the right thing.

Martin

bernster2001

02-06-05, 07:09 AM

Tulsa

What a sad experience. I think they will send a tech to try to fix before they agree to a replacement.

Barybud

No false contours that I can see. Pq is outstanding . Watched Startrek Enterprise on Friday. Lots of wows.

Has anyone noticed that FOX overscans or zooms their HD pic. FOX logo partially off the screen. Doesn't happen with other channels. Hope its fixed for the game.

NorthJersey

02-06-05, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by colortv
As I have stated in other posts, when the set is adjusted correctly, the blacks are NOT crushed and the shadow detail is better than any other digital display technology I have seen to date. Proper adjustment is the key. DVE can fool you, depending on your DVD player. The settings on the DVD player's input to the TV may not apply to your STB or ATSC tuner. The other inputs may need to be tweaked the old fashioned way - by eye to your personal taste. It would be great if test signals could be occasionally transmitted on cable and ATSC so we could make accurate adjustments. I'd gladly get up at 3am to make those tweaks if I knew the signals were being transmitted. Probably not gonna happen.

colortv, I believe you said you subcribe to comcast, and if so, I'm sure you receive inHD. If so, then every Saturday at 7am they show a basic HDTV calibration show, for about 20-25 minutes, to help calibrate TV's. Like I said, basic calibration, not something an experienced ISF is going to perform, but a good start.

Dilbert1

02-06-05, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Get it !!!!!!!!!!!! It is movie- making at its best and the new transfer isn't nearly as grainy as the old.

Are Superbits worth the extra cost?

The one thing that I think is the most important part about the superbit titles: is CONSISTENCY! Yes, other Studios also make reference titles but, it’s always HIT AND MISS with them! The Superbit label on a DVD is what THX should have been, but ISN'T.

You can buy superbit titles without reading a review beforehand. You know exactly what you get. As I said, that’s what THX should have been all along.

Studio consistency overview:
Columbia: Superbit consistenly 'reference'; all others consistently 'good'; never a turd
Fox: X-Men 'reference', Moulin Rouge 'great'; DH3 'horrible'.
Paramount: Braveheart 'reference'; Forrest Gump 'good-mediocre'; Tomb Raider 'flat'.
New Line: Blade, Seven 'reference'; Rush Hour 2 'mediocre'.
Warner: The Pledge 'ultimate reference'; all others recently consistently 'great'.
Universal: Erin Brokovich, Pitch Black, U-571, Fast and the Furious 'reference'; American Pie 2 'good' (too dark, muddy); Jurassic Park 1+2 'mediocre'.
MGM: Hannibal 'great'; all latest dual WS/PS releases 'mediocre';
Disney: Remember the Titans, The Insider 'reference'; Tombstone 'bad'; is getting much better overall.

The studio that puts out the best transfers 'on average' is probably Warner. Fox also has lots of good ones and only a few Turds.

But Columbia is the ONLY studio where I now know EXACTLY what I get when I buy a title.

Columbia’s non-SB titles ALL look alike:
- a bit soft, because horizontal filtered
- a fair bit ringing/EE
- good black level (mostly a tad too hot, which is much preferred over drowned blacks)
- perfect shadow delineation
- perfect color hues and saturation (if not a tad too saturated at times)
None of the non-SB titles are close to reference, but at least they are never bad.

And their new SB titles ALSO all look alike:
- very high detail, horizontally non-filtered

- a bit of aliasing because of the above, a non-issue IMO because its a sign of the high detail; the same amount of detail without aliasing WOULD be possible with a better down-conversion filter, though.
- still a bit EE, but much higher in frequency, really thin edge halos, so not as big a deal as on the non-SB
- every other aspect like delineation and colors as good as non-SB

Anyway, the consistency on the SB lineup is most welcome, at least from me.(the above for the most part is courtesy of Bjoern)

So, while it’s a shame that Col/Tri needs a 'Superbit' label to achieve what others have been doing (selectively) for some time now, its still a good thing.

After all that, what probably even outperforms all of the above (if colortv can just get jb007 to tweak his D-Theater unit comparably) are DVHS movies – but man are THEY expensive.

Thank you for the great response on Super Bit.

Are you using DVI/HDMI cables or component?

Dilbert1

jb007

02-06-05, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by Tulsa1
Hello fellow Qualians,
Sorry for taking so long to report back after the delivery Thursday but I
didn't get the chance to fire it up until Friday after work. I am very
disappointed to report bad news at this point. It seems the tv has
some sort of internal intermittent problem which greatly effects picture
quality. Not even the integrated tuner can produce a quality picture.
I have tried everything possible to narrow down the problem with no
certain conclusions. One minute it can look satisfactory then looks like crap.
It is unpredictable. I have moved the feeds back to my plasma for the
game tomorrow. What a HUGE disappointment this has been so far.
I guess I will contact the guys at LV to see how they want to handle this.
Knocked the wind out my sails:(

Martin

Tulsa1,

I feel your pain. What a HUGE disappointment! This is the first DOA (or actually faultering on life-support) unit we have heard about in this thread. It sucks that it happened to you and especially with the SB today :( Since all other reports here have been positive, we can only assume you got a bad apple. It goes without saying that some cars manufactured are lemons, some pieces of electronic equipment -- no matter how expensive -- are DOA, etc. Here's hoping that Sony and QUALIA do the RIGHT thing and send a tech out to connect a loose wire, replace a defective part or provide you with a brand new 006 IMMEDIATELY! I know the owners in this thread are behind you 100%, so please keep us updated.

On another front, how disappointing that a short while after Penton-Man posted what a great thread this has been with owners helping each other out by posting settings and answering questions (for each other and prospective buyers), we now are seeing some trolling. It appears that those who chose not to purchase a 006, or are not in a position to afford one, are looking for reasons to justify their position. While I wish they'd take it somewhere else (how about a new thread, "Why I didn't purchase a Qualia 006"), I say just ignore them! They can do all the rationalizing they want. Those who own a 006, and their friends that come over to watch the 006, know it provides one of the finest television viewing experiences available today. Nuff said :D

nhey

02-06-05, 09:35 AM

Someone asked to see how I attached my bias light to the back of the 006. See Attached. I have 2" wide strips of velcro you can buy at Staples underneath the fixture attaching it to the set, as well as above it holding down perpendicular smaller strips.

jb007

02-06-05, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by pepco
Please post screenshots

Here are a few:

screenshot 1 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=4945110&fullpage=1)

screenshot 2 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=5015944&fullpage=1)

screenshot 3 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=5021067&fullpage=1)

screenshot 4 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=5027730&fullpage=1)

There are more posted throughout this thread. However, a screenshot can not do the 006 justice. Additionally, depending upon the settings of the camera, flash, resolution, etc., this will affect the quality of the screenshot, in the end, it may not be real helpful. Good luck.

kaduku

02-06-05, 09:41 AM

Dilbert1

02-06-05, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by Tulsa1
I will probably have to wait till Monday morning to contact anyone but I
will keep you all informed how they resolve this. I hope the replacement
takes a better path than my first one. It went to Dallas then Ok City
via NVC, then a local company of their choosing put it on a rental truck
and drove to four small towns in Okla before bringing it here.
Then one of the two guys couldn't lift it and they moved it with one small
dolly balanced in the center of the box. I had to help to get it in the house.
I bet this won't happen with the second unit:mad: :(
I hope they do the right thing.

Martin

I am waiting to hear how they handle this for you. I wonder if a Sony Rep. is following this thread. If this is true then Six Sigma aspirations are probably gone unless the set was damaged in shipping.

My shipping experience was excellent. Quck, on time, and the two guys delivered with no trouble (single story). I've seen no problems so far. Black level is fine now. My little popup problem was simple (as I suspected) and my fault.

An additional benefit I did not anticipate was having the children see HD travel films of other countries. Mouth open and looking at different cultures. The reality of the pictures made a difference!!

Incidentally I would recommend that people keep the protective blanket that comes with the set - don't let the movers take it for you. May be useful when moving to a new house. I did not keep the packaging. The box is the size of a garage stall.

Dilbert1

jb007

02-06-05, 09:47 AM

nhey

02-06-05, 10:53 AM

JB007,

I took a photo from the front with only the bias light on in the room last night. The problem is that the camera slows down its shutter speed to expose the picture correctly and you can't really tell the effect the bias light has on the lighting in the room. It only adds a little light, so you would not be able to read from your seat at night, assuming no other lights are on in the room. It lights the back of the TV as a fluorescent bulb would. It provides enough light to allow you to walk around the room without tripping etc. and since its behind the set you get zero reflections on the screen as you would from a lamp anywhere in front of the set.

Is it a major improvement? No. Even with a lamp on in front of the set the picture is outstanding. Is it a minor improvement? Yes, for a videophile, if you want to do everything the best way possible, then you don't want any lights on in front of the set at night since the screen, as you know, is somewhat reflective.

colortv

02-06-05, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Tulsa1
I will probably have to wait till Monday morning to contact anyone but I
will keep you all informed how they resolve this. I hope the replacement
takes a better path than my first one. It went to Dallas then Ok City
via NVC, then a local company of their choosing put it on a rental truck
and drove to four small towns in Okla before bringing it here.
Then one of the two guys couldn't lift it and they moved it with one small
dolly balanced in the center of the box. I had to help to get it in the house.
I bet this won't happen with the second unit:mad: :(
I hope they do the right thing.

Martin

Since these sets are so thoroughly checked before shipping, I wonder if careless shipping/handling is the culprit? As with any electronic device, failures can happen. The first UPS I received from Belkin was no good right out of the box. We had a power failure the other day, and rather than switch to battery, the thing just shut off - no UPS function. Belkin cheerfully sent out a replacement which works as it should. I just hope Sony has a unit in stock for you that can be sent to you promptly. I doubt that "Melvin's Color TV Repair" can fix this one. Sorry to hear about the problem.

colortv

02-06-05, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by NorthJersey
colortv, I believe you said you subcribe to comcast, and if so, I'm sure you receive inHD. If so, then every Saturday at 7am they show a basic HDTV calibration show, for about 20-25 minutes, to help calibrate TV's. Like I said, basic calibration, not something an experienced ISF is going to perform, but a good start.

Thanks for this info! I will DVR it next Saturday morning (4am here).

colortv

02-06-05, 11:16 AM

Penton-Man

02-06-05, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by Dilbert1
Thank you for the great response on Super Bit.

Are you using DVI/HDMI cables or component?

Dilbert1
I’m actually using HDMI – HDMI cable.

You know the thing is, after having purchased this display, I find myself similar to a junkie looking for my next fix in regards to procuring more and MORE 1080i content which looks absolutely beautiful with this set.

I mean, I’m watching programs on Discovery HD that I would NEVER have watched before I got the 006. Paint drying, grass growing, snails mating…..hell it doesn’t matter….watching this set is like a blind man seeing for the first time after an extraordinary operation.

Penton-Man

02-06-05, 11:18 AM

Tulsa1-
Sorry to hear about that. I think that the only saving grace in this situation is that you went through the Sony cierge system for your purchase which I would assume given their resources you will eventually receive a satisfactory resolution.

I think that the key word here may be “eventually”.

Just be respectful but PERSISTENT.

colortv

02-06-05, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by jb007
colortv,

I've tweaked my settings some on Input 4 and must say "There's Something About Mary" looked pretty darn good on DVHS.

Here's one issue I'm having...I believe you wrote you were successful in recording via firewire from the 006, as well as your STB (remember I'm on DirecTV). I know there was discussion about this earlier and the question was whether the 006 outputs, as well as inputs, via firewire. When I set my 006 to antenna and tune in a digital station (or any station for that matter via OTA) on the 006 and then set the DVHS to I-1 (firewire), I don't get any image or audio. Is there something else I should be doing ar a setting I am missing on the 006 or JVC? Thanks!

I assume you only have one Firewire connection into your DVHS machine, otherwise be sure the iLink input is set to the input that the SXRD TV is on. I have successfully recorded several shows FROM the Qualia's ATSC tuner to the DVHS machine over Firewire. No special tricks required. You can't watch the output of the DVHS machine while you are recording though - you must be watching the show on the ATSC tuner while you are making a blind recording.

Today I'm stashing all of InHD2's IMAX marathon on DVHS. Some really great stuff - absolutely stunning 1080i video and Dolby surround.

Fox is doing a pitiful job of upconverting SD on the Superbowl pre-game shows. They are simply zooming in on their NTSC feed to fill the 16:9 frame. Dollar ninety eight - looks terrible. I'm sure the game will look better than that?

jb007

02-06-05, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by colortv
You can't watch the output of the DVHS machine while you are recording though - you must be watching the show on the ATSC tuner while you are making a blind recording.

Oh, OK. That must be the problem. I was looking for a picture and audio when the JVC was set to I-1 (the 006). I'll make a "blind" test recording. Thanks.

Penton-Man

02-06-05, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by colortv

Today I'm stashing all of InHD2's IMAX marathon on DVHS. Some really great stuff - absolutely stunning 1080i video and Dolby surround.

color,
You're killin me.
I can't get that channel with Adelphia.
Hopefully Comcast will purchase Adelphia, as apparently the bids went in this past week.

punkzip

02-06-05, 12:45 PM

Who here has the Ideal Lume backlight - does it really help and how do you use it? If you turn all the lights off for a movie, why do you need a backlight? I think nhey has this? nhey, could you post your attachment again showing how you stuck it on with velcro? Which Ideal Lume light did you get?

Dilbert1

02-06-05, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by nhey
Someone asked to see how I attached my bias light to the back of the 006. See Attached. I have 2" wide strips of velcro you can buy at Staples underneath the fixture attaching it to the set, as well as above it holding down perpendicular smaller strips.

Mine looks just about the same. I am using a day light bulb about 5000K at 20 watts. The bluish glow behind the TV is great and is easy on the eyes. We have high ceilings so the light washs up the wall in a pleasing manner. Incidentally the placement of the fixture, as shown, keeps light from bleeding down to the stand and showing up on the wall behind the stand - remember the Sony stand is open to the wall.

Dilbert1

nhey

02-06-05, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by punkzip
Who here has the Ideal Lume backlight - does it really help and how do you use it? If you turn all the lights off for a movie, why do you need a backlight? I think nhey has this? nhey, could you post your attachment again showing how you stuck it on with velcro? Which Ideal Lume light did you get?

It cost about $60 if I remember correctly, and I got an RF remote about the size of a quarter that allows you to remotely turn it on and off, so it can be mounted on the top of the rear of the TV (see my post last page for a photo), out of direct line of sight. It is 6500 degrees kelvin. It comes in a "fixture" (not just the bulb) which is nice and allows me to attach it to the back of the TV. I didn't get the super duper model which was more, just the basic 6500K model with the RF remote included. When I bought it, I think they offered the RF remote as an extra, which I don't see offered now on the cinemaquest web site - it might be there somewhere - you should call them. Its worth getting.

kaduku

02-06-05, 03:06 PM

SRT-10 Viper

02-06-05, 03:07 PM

I just purchased (well rented) the DVR6400 from Comcast... I have read the User Guide and the Remote guide. Now I am new to this, but no where does the manual outline how to record, program, record one show while watching another... Basic stuff but again I am new to DVRs... Anyone have any brief recommendations? Or, where I can get a better user guide. I've even gone on the Motorola site and downloaded the guide (same one I got from Comcast). I can play an figure it out, however it shouldn't be this way.

HiDef Bob

02-06-05, 03:16 PM

So, how does the Superbowl broadcast look on the Qualia 005?

kaduku

02-06-05, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Dilbert1
Incidentally I would recommend that people keep the protective blanket that comes with the set - don't let the movers take it for you. May be useful when moving to a new house. I did not keep the packaging. The box is the size of a garage stall.

Why didn't I think of that!!!! I have been looking for something to cover my 006 during non-use periods to keep the dust out and that cover, since it was made for it, would have been perfect. I did find a micro-suede type fabric that will be stitched professionally to cover the screen. I will post a pic when it's done.

sparkysj

02-06-05, 03:58 PM

punkzip

02-06-05, 03:58 PM

SO where exactly is this pic of the Ideal Lume placement? How do you view attachments in the first place?

Ed Weinman

02-06-05, 04:09 PM

(If you don't like the Super Bowl...check the Animal Planet channel for the Puppy Bowl...yes, the Puppy Bowl.)

Dilbert1

02-06-05, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by kaduku
Why didn't I think of that!!!! I have been looking for something to cover my 006 during non-use periods to keep the dust out and that cover, since it was made for it, would have been perfect. I did find a micro-suede type fabric that will be stitched professionally to cover the screen. I will post a pic when it's done.

The blanket is good if you are going to move the set but it is not something you would want to look at all the time.

I was thinking of something along the same lines. An attractive fabric, perhaps
one that matches our throw pillows. Who would you have sew the fabric for
you?

If you have kids I think a cover is a good idea especially when they have friends over to visit and they get wild. It would be nice if I could restrict access to the entertainment room.

Dilbert1

colortv

02-06-05, 05:12 PM

Penton,

Check your PM

colortv

02-06-05, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by HiDef Bob
So, how does the Superbowl broadcast look on the Qualia 005?

Hmm, the 005 won't be out until spring. The Super Bowl looks good on the 006 however. But too bad Fox isn't 1080i.

HiDef Bob

02-06-05, 05:56 PM

005 ... my typo. Even though it is 720p I think PQ is excellent on my Sony KV36XBR400. Looking forward to a 50" Qualia!

sparkysj

02-06-05, 07:33 PM

Half time show on 006 is a sight to behold!!!

sj

Penton-Man

02-06-05, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by colortv
Hmm, the 005 won't be out until spring. The Super Bowl looks good on the 006 however. But too bad Fox isn't 1080i.
Hi-Def ....
I figure you did a typo and meant 006.
I agree with color.

The game looked good but, the NFL games that I've seen so far on the 1080i channels looked better, easily better P/Q - even appreciated by my 84 year old father with advanced glaucoma who doesn't know i from p or 720 from 1080 for that matter.

As far as the game, I wanted Philly to win - just because I lived there for a few years and like to support the underdog.

However, they deserved to lose. NO 2-minute offense whatsover, and NO late game fitness to even work a 2-minute offense.

Me thinks that there was alot of partying going on between the last playoff game and the Super Bowl for the Philly players.

Penton-Man

02-06-05, 10:02 PM

colortv-
PM responded to.

kaduku

02-06-05, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by Dilbert1
The blanket is good if you are going to move the set but it is not something you would want to look at all the time.

I was thinking of something along the same lines. An attractive fabric, perhaps
one that matches our throw pillows. Who would you have sew the fabric for
you?

If you have kids I think a cover is a good idea especially when they have friends over to visit and they get wild. It would be nice if I could restrict access to the entertainment room.

I wouldn't have mind about how that cover looked like, as long as the 006 was protected. A local upholstery shop is doing the job for me. I just want to make sure that dust does not collect behind the glass as the 70 XBR LCD was prone to this. Hopefully Sony had resolved this with the 006.

kaduku

02-06-05, 11:06 PM

I have both Comcast and Directv (don't ask why, it's a long story). The only channels I can't get in HD right now is NBC and Fox. So I did watch the Super Bowl on SD via Directv and Comcast. I was really impressed on how SD looked on Comcast through the 006, especially during the halftime show. I could only imagine how it looked on HD. I will be ready for next year. At least I will see the Oscars on HD.

I also wanted the birds to win, but I agree with Penton-Man that they deserve to lose.

brt3

02-06-05, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by kaduku
I wouldn't have mind about how that cover looked like, as long as the 006 was protected. A local upholstery shop is doing the job for me. I just want to make sure that dust does not collect behind the glass as the 70 XBR LCD was prone to this. Hopefully Sony had resolved this with the 006.

kaduku,

Tell me more about the cover you're having made, please. As I'm just north of SF you think your cover-maker might make two? This would be perfect for my set. Every seen the keyboard covers and notebook sleeves made by RadTech?

http://www.radtech.us

They use an optical grade microfiber called "Optex". It's totally safe for fine optics, and is tough and resilient as well. I have both of these products in a light grey color, and it's good stuff.

Back to your cover idea. Our best friends have an autistic son who is wonderful, but he really likes the "feel" of glass -- it's sweet and funny, but he licks our windows and mirrors. They were over for the SuperBowl and I thought about how nice it might be to have a cover; would also be good when we're out of town to keep the dust off...

kaduku

02-06-05, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by brt3
kaduku,

Tell me more about the cover you're having made, please. As I'm just north of SF you think your cover-maker might make two? This would be perfect for my set. Every seen the keyboard covers and notebook sleeves made by RadTech?

http://www.radtech.us

They use an optical grade microfiber called "Optex". It's totally safe for fine optics, and is tough and resilient as well. I have both of these products in a light grey color, and it's good stuff.

Back to your cover idea. Our best friends have an autistic son who is wonderful, but he really likes the "feel" of glass -- it's sweet and funny, but he licks our windows and mirrors. They were over for the SuperBowl and I thought about how nice it might be to have a cover; would also be good when we're out of town to keep the dust off...

I can't believe this. I have one of those radtech covers for my imac which I bought from the Macworld Expo. It's like the softest material I've ever felt. I have been searching for this material. I brought the cover to a local fabric shop, who told me that it feels like micro-suede. The fabric I bought has one side that feels somewhat like the radtech one, but has a backing that is stiff. You mentioned that you have this fabric. Where can I get one that is about 9 feet by 5 feet. I am also gonna have an elastic edge made just like the imac cover. I was suppose to deliver the fabric that I have now tomorrow so they can start, but I will wait for that Optex material which is alot better.

brt3

02-06-05, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by kaduku
I can't believe this. I have one of those radtech covers for my imac which I bought from the Macworld Expo. It's like the softest material I've ever felt. I have been searching for this material. I brought the cover to a local fabric shop, who told me that it feels like micro-suede. The fabric I bought has one side that feels somewhat like the radtech one, but has a backing that is stiff. You mentioned that you have this fabric. Where can I get one that is about 9 feet by 5 feet. I also want it to have an elastic edge just like the imac cover. I was suppose to deliver the fabric that I have now tomorrow so they can start, but I will wait for that Optex material which is alot better.

kaduku,

I just have several of notebook pouches, keyboard covers, and screen covers out of this fabric. I agree that it is very safe for any optics; I use the keyboard covers (just a flat piece of the cloth) to clean screens and lenses.

If you find a source for the fabric let me know; conversely, I'll try on my own to locate a source. As I said, it might be a good idea to go in together; two covers might be cheaper (per unit) than one...

kaduku

02-07-05, 12:01 AM

brt3

02-07-05, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by kaduku
I agree that two heads are better than one. I will try to contact radtech tomorrow also.

kaduku,

Here's a couple of sites I found after a quick search. I've emailed two companies to try and see if we could source the fabric from them. It would be really nice to get a large enough piece of fabric to make the cover with no seams along the screen face -- I'm guessing a minimum of two yards in width? Also, there are widely varying grades of this fabric; it would be nice to find the optical grade as used by RadTech...

Anyone else out there interested in joining us and making a "group buy" on this?

http://secure.cartsvr.net/catalogs/index.asp?category=220060
http://www.googalies.com/whatrsa.html
http://www.properautocare.com/micwhatbigde.html
http://www.the-cloth.com/ourmicro.shtml
http://www.the-cloth.com/lens.shtml
http://hotproducts.alibaba.com/manufacturers-exporters/Microfiber_Fabric.html

nhey

02-07-05, 07:11 AM

FYI: In case you didn't see the post in the other 006 thread (the one on "motion artifact"), Widescreen Review is planning on having a review of the 006 in their April issue that should be on the newstands April 15. They have the most detailed interviews of any mag (they usually run 3 or 4 pages).

By the way, I saw NO motion artifacts during the SuperBowl except the Eagles lack of motion, (slow motion) during the last half of the fourth quarter.

Dilbert1

02-07-05, 09:04 AM

Dilbert1

02-07-05, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by brt3
kaduku,

I just have several of notebook pouches, keyboard covers, and screen covers out of this fabric. I agree that it is very safe for any optics; I use the keyboard covers (just a flat piece of the cloth) to clean screens and lenses.

If you find a source for the fabric let me know; conversely, I'll try on my own to locate a source. As I said, it might be a good idea to go in together; two covers might be cheaper (per unit) than one...

A neutral color (earth tone perhaps) would go better than a bright blue etc.

Another possibility is to use a more protective material, for scratches, for the front and have the back lined with the microfiber. Whatever it is, it would be nice to have it easy to put on and off and be reasonably form fitting.

We could advertise these as Qualia Cozies made from Owners Thread.

Dilbert1

SABAlove

02-07-05, 09:41 AM

Color-
Thanks for the post of the belkin stuff.

G.B.

02-07-05, 11:32 AM

Did anybody log any of the menu settings yet ? That sounded good to me....no response yet ?

nhey

02-07-05, 11:43 AM

G.B. - See first post for menu settings by a couple of owners.

JP2- I remember you saying that you ended up not tweaking the grey scale on your 006 because the "warm" setting was so close to 6500k across the scale, based on your Colorfacts equipment. Was that the reason?

I have an ISF calibration scheduled in a couple of weeks, but am wondering if it is really worth the $$$ considering that the warm color temp. preset seems to be pretty much dead-on to 6500K. I am also very happy with the picture I have right now.

My calibrator did a great job with my previous RPTV (a CRT), but I'm wondering how much improvement is really possible with this set considering there are no geometry, convergence, or focusing issues that require tweaking, and the grey scale looks to be very, very good out of the box on the 'warm' setting. I guess the question is what exactly can an ISF calibration do to improve on a great picture? I know how to set the basic controls myself using DVE or Avia.

mpsan

02-07-05, 11:46 AM

ColorTV must not have seen my question. I noticed they had a 1250VA (vs. 1100 VA) that said it was pure sine-wave for only $13 more. Did you notice that, too?

Originally posted by SABAlove
Color-
Thanks for the post of the belkin stuff.

G.B.

02-07-05, 11:52 AM

nhey, I was just seconding the motion you had...posted earlier in the forum. You even made the template for them to have a standard to log the setting..........I wish soon we had a copy of the manual on the forum...I have the 950 XBR it lacks a lot on how to the settings. Someone said you have a better manual for this set. Thanks to A.V.S. we all worked together to get our set looking good. Umr also helped with his experience on the L.C.D.'s ...Lots of inputs on new technology like this set is very important.

nhey

02-07-05, 12:19 PM

Tripplite HT1500

This looks like an interesting UPS by Tripplite that takes up to 450 watts from attached equipment. The Qualia needs 330 watts.

http://www.tripplite.com/shared/pdf/manuals/932232.pdf

SABAlove

02-07-05, 12:25 PM

mpsan-
That looked like a surge protector/powerline conditioner. I did not see where it said UPS... If it IS a UPS with sine wave output at 1250VA, it's hard to see how that's not worth $13 more...

Tulsa1

02-07-05, 12:34 PM

I talked to my concierge in Vegas about my sick Qualia and without
any questions he promptly stated that he would make the necessary
calls right now to arrange a switch-out. He promised to call me back with
the details. He did state that this was the first reported problem on the
006. My guess is the shipping experience for my TV probably jarred
something inside causing all the odd problems.
I am going to request the shipping of the second unit be handled
a whole lot more professional than the first. Something tells me that the
tour my first 006 took in the back of that Uhaul all over Oklahoma
probably didn't help it's well being. Not to mention how they must have
loaded it.
Anyway, so far so good.
Thank you all very much for the kind words and support.
This is the first time I have ever been so stressed out over a TV.
But then again, this is NOT just a TV. It's a 70" VR experience.
I will keep you all informed.

Thanks,
Martin

jp2

02-07-05, 12:36 PM

nhey,
If your ISF person is willing to take the time and teach you how to modify the settings and what each one is supposed to do, that may be worth the cost. They may even be able to tweak the set a bit better if they are able to access other sm settings. I agree with you though, I don't know how much better they could adjust this set.
brgds,
jp

Barrybud

02-07-05, 12:39 PM

Hi all,

In mounting the back lighting be careful about what you put on top of or on the back of any RPTV. Keep in mind that the mirror is attached to the back and it doesn't take much pressure to change the shape of the mirror and warp the image. Give it a try. Press on the top and/or back of the set and see what it does. Do it carefully though.

I am so glad to see that Sony seems to have overcome the issues that RCA, Toshiba and Philips couldn't. I had the Cineos LCoS and I could see the potential of this technology, even though the set had issues. I was such a LCoS fanboy that one member dubbed me the "LCoS Evangelist".

I still think that this is the best micro-display technology out there now.

SABAlove

02-07-05, 12:39 PM

sorry just found it... link below

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=77&pcount=&Product_Id=186810#

I don't see anywhere a discussion of how long this thing lasts for... I dimly recall a formula from high-school physics that could probably shed some light on this, but I think I killed those brain cells a long time ago (college...)

Barrybud

02-07-05, 01:35 PM

The PDF from their site says the 1250 model battery running @ 50-100% of load will last 100 minutes and require a 12 hour recharge.

Keep in mind that these are MOV based surge protection which is not desirable to use for your high-end A/V equipment.

Look here for more details
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=2421176#post2421176

mpsan

02-07-05, 01:50 PM

Nope, here is the one I meant...

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=77&pcount=&Product_Id=186810

Originally posted by SABAlove
mpsan-
That looked like a surge protector/powerline conditioner. I did not see where it said UPS... If it IS a UPS with sine wave output at 1250VA, it's hard to see how that's not worth $13 more...

mpsan

02-07-05, 01:53 PM

...I hope you have the S/N so sometime in the future we don't get it back! :D

Originally posted by Tulsa1
I talked to my concierge in Vegas about my sick Qualia and without
any questions he promptly stated that he would make the necessary
calls right now to arrange a switch-out. He promised to call me back with
the details. He did state that this was the first reported problem on the
006. My guess is the shipping experience for my TV probably jarred
something inside causing all the odd problems.
I am going to request the shipping of the second unit be handled
a whole lot more professional than the first. Something tells me that the
tour my first 006 took in the back of that Uhaul all over Oklahoma
probably didn't help it's well being. Not to mention how they must have
loaded it.
Anyway, so far so good.
Thank you all very much for the kind words and support.
This is the first time I have ever been so stressed out over a TV.
But then again, this is NOT just a TV. It's a 70" VR experience.
I will keep you all informed.

Thanks,
Martin

w8jvm

02-07-05, 01:55 PM

Whow! I finally found a forum where a lot of people know what they are talking about. Her is my delima. I have a Zenith with 9" Crts. From what I Hear that is about as good as it gets. What I want to know is what will I get for my 13K? Is it worth the difference. The only think I can tell so far is that I get the up coding to 1080P but I will not be able to use source material at 1080P. Thanks in advance for your help and advise.

SABAlove

02-07-05, 01:57 PM

Better yet, look up on the site... 100min for 1250 at 50-80% load. Mentions simulated sine-wave. Similar sine-wave mentioned for 1100, but only 1.5-4 minutes backup time! Pretty huge difference. Anyone used one of these? Any fan noise we need to be worried about?

wojtek

02-07-05, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by w8jvm
Whow! I finally found a forum where a lot of people know what they are talking about. Her is my delima. I have a Zenith with 9" Crts. From what I Hear that is about as good as it gets. What I want to know is what will I get for my 13K? Is it worth the difference. The only think I can tell so far is that I get the up coding to 1080P but I will not be able to use source material at 1080P. Thanks in advance for your help and advise.

9" guns are great, but they do require careful, periodical convergence adjustments for best picture. They do tend to burn-in with station logos and what have you, if left on a long time.

Qualia will offer a perfect convergence and no burn-in worries. I would also think that true pixel-by-pixel 1080 resolution on the Qualia will give you more detail than a 9" CRT, but that is more debatable. Also, Qualia may offer better brightness. CRT will offer deeper blacks.

Best if you take your favorite reference DVD and go check the Qualia out with DVD and HD material. Also, watch this space for R Harkness' review of this set, coming soon.

mpsan

02-07-05, 02:45 PM

Richard,

We went to see a closeout of a new 9" Mits and it was not even close to anything else there. All of the DLP's and LCD's were sharper than the Mits with the 9" CRT's. So we are waiting to see the Qualia when it is at a local shop...soon from what I hear.

'73 :D

Originally posted by w8jvm
Whow! I finally found a forum where a lot of people know what they are talking about. Her is my delima. I have a Zenith with 9" Crts. From what I Hear that is about as good as it gets. What I want to know is what will I get for my 13K? Is it worth the difference. The only think I can tell so far is that I get the up coding to 1080P but I will not be able to use source material at 1080P. Thanks in advance for your help and advise.

w8jvm

02-07-05, 03:08 PM

Thanks for the data! The one other question I have is about not having the ability to input 1080P signals. If I spend 13K it will have to last me a long time and I am wondering if that will be an issue in a few months / years?

Tulsa1

02-07-05, 03:22 PM

I just got a call back from Sony with talk about maybe trying to fix it.
I explained that I had not received a good working 006 that I had
paid for and was not receptive to settling for a repaired TV.
They agreed that they would probably be willing to replace it with a new
one but did not have an estimate how long this might take.
This is starting to leave a very bitter taste in my mouth after just
popping $14K but I am going to give them a chance to make good on this.
The person that called me back the second time was over Qualia support
so I took the opportunity to discuss the shipping experiences of my 006.
She promised this would not happen to me again.
The calls from them did seem to climb the ladder as needed but we shall
see if their response is fair and timely.
I will let you know how it progresses.

Enjoy your Qs,
Martin

JimP

02-07-05, 03:27 PM

Tulsa1

I know how much you want it to be perfect from the first time you turn it on until you die of old age at around 120.

I might agree to them looking at it if they can fix it on the first visit and its something like a loose wiring harness. Beyond that, I think I'd ask them for another one.

w8jvm

02-07-05, 04:07 PM

Not to press my luck, but one other experiment just got me curious. I notice a slight quality difference when I look at HDTV via my OTA imput and the same signal over my comcast cable input. With a set as good as the Qualia, do you owners notice a significant quality difference. Or, is it just these old eyes playing tricks on me

mpsan

02-07-05, 04:38 PM

I would think years. Stations are not even all hd yet and who knows when the new DVD players will come out and have Media support.

Originally posted by w8jvm
Thanks for the data! The one other question I have is about not having the ability to input 1080P signals. If I spend 13K it will have to last me a long time and I am wondering if that will be an issue in a few months / years?

Penton-Man

02-07-05, 05:27 PM

Barrybud - thanks for the great link !

Penton-Man

02-07-05, 05:28 PM

Tulsa –

If you settle for a tech visit (and they are successful in getting the 006 to function) make sure you at least get a free ISF calibration with it.

You can probably get a new replacement TV eventually if you are “persistent”, however, as I said before “eventually” is the key word and will undoubtedly be based upon when the next shipment arrives and if all those have been scooped up.

Sending a tech to your residence may simply be a ploy to validate your findings to make sure they are not dealing with some nut case.

Was the last Qualia support person who spoke with by any chance Margaret French ?

grendyl

02-07-05, 05:49 PM

I just came back from Fry's. They did not have the Qualia of course. They did have two 60" Sony LCD RPTVs (I understand the qualia is LCoS and not LCD?). Anyhow one had a glass shield/covering built on the screen, the other did not. The glass shield caused massive reflections, etc. I wanted to know does the Qualia have that that glass piece covering the screen or a matted surface?

brt3

02-07-05, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by Tulsa1
I just got a call back from Sony ...The calls from them did seem to climb the ladder as needed but we shall see if their response is fair and timely. I will let you know how it progresses.

Tulsa1 -- check your PM...

brt3

02-07-05, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by grendyl
I just came back from Fry's. They did not have the Qualia of course. They did have two 60" Sony LCD RPTVs (I understand the qualia is LCoS and not LCD?). Anyhow one had a glass shield/covering built on the screen, the other did not. The glass shield caused massive reflections, etc. I wanted to know does the Qualia have that that glass piece covering the screen or a matted surface?

grendyl,

The QUALIA does indeed have a glass shield in front of the screen. I believe it's made of acrylic, but it is specially treated to be anti-reflective and does a very good job...

colortv

02-07-05, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by mpsan
ColorTV must not have seen my question. I noticed they had a 1250VA (vs. 1100 VA) that said it was pure sine-wave for only $13 more. Did you notice that, too?

Based on my experience last night, the Belkin 1250VA might be a better choice. After the game I was demoing the 006 to my friends with some D-Theater 1080i source material. I inadvertently had my amp cranked up way too loud when the D-Theater logo came on which caused the amp to draw more current than the Belkin UPS was able to supply, causing a fast shutdown of the whole system when the Belkin tripped! Not exactly what I had in mind, since one of the bases I wanted to cover with the Belkin UPS was to let the lamp cool down gradually by the TV's internal fans in the event of a power failure. An embarrasing moment to be sure, but at least everyone's hearing was protected by the fast shutdown! All was well moments later when I restarted the Belkin UPS and no further problems even at fairly loud volume. I have all components plugged into the Monster 5100 power conditioner - the Monster is the only thing plugged into the Belkin UPS. The 1250VA would probably have been a better choice for the extra pittance - a cushion is a good thing.

colortv

02-07-05, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by nhey
Tripplite HT1500

This looks like an interesting UPS by Tripplite that takes up to 450 watts from attached equipment. The Qualia needs 330 watts.

http://www.tripplite.com/shared/pdf/manuals/932232.pdf

But keep in mind other peripherals you may want to plug into the UPS such as cable DVR, DVD player, and a/v receiver. You could quickly run out of power cushion as I found out with the 1100VA as mentioned in the previous post.

Penton-Man

02-07-05, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by colortv
Not exactly what I had in mind, since one of the bases I wanted to cover with the Belkin UPS was to let the lamp cool down gradually by the TV's internal fans in the event of a power failure.
Lots and Lots of LLL !:) :D :)

nhey

02-07-05, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by colortv
But keep in mind other peripherals you may want to plug into the UPS such as cable DVR, DVD player, and a/v receiver. You could quickly run out of power cushion as I found out with the 1100VA as mentioned in the previous post.

ColorTV - I'm not sure how to calculate the capacity I would need for a UPS.

Is it the sum of the watts each component + the 006 draws?

006 = 330 watts
AV receiver = 100 watts
HD TIVO = 40 watts
Comcast 6412 = don't know, assume 40 watts
DVD player = 40 watts

Total = 550 watts

So I would need a UPS that can provide at a very minimum at least 550 watts of power??
How much do the 1100va and 1250va provide?

kaduku

02-07-05, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by brt3
kaduku,

Here's a couple of sites I found after a quick search. I've emailed two companies to try and see if we could source the fabric from them. It would be really nice to get a large enough piece of fabric to make the cover with no seams along the screen face -- I'm guessing a minimum of two yards in width? Also, there are widely varying grades of this fabric; it would be nice to find the optical grade as used by RadTech...

Anyone else out there interested in joining us and making a "group buy" on this?

Dilbert and brt3,

I have contacted Radtech and told them that I am interested in buying a large uncut amount of their optex fabric for use on my large screen tv. The person I talk to said that she will forward the request to upper management. I also told her that this can be a new venture for them to manufacture screen covers for large tvs', since they are not too many out there available and that maybe I can be their first test subject. This is a good sign since she didn't laugh at me and hung up.

brt3,
Those sites you provided are very interesting. If it doesn't pan out with Radtech, then maybe we'll go with those companies, though I prefer those luxurious optex fabrics.

casey

02-07-05, 07:25 PM

Hey Guys-

I've asked this before............................but I need some input. My stand is all wood. Will the Qualia scratch the top? Should I put something under it? If I need to move it around a bit while it is on top of the stand, will it scratch it?

wojtek

02-07-05, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by brt3
grendyl,

The QUALIA does indeed have a glass shield in front of the screen. I believe it's made of acrylic...

:)

DOBE

02-07-05, 07:28 PM

I'm still following this thread and you guys...and rogo in another thread...are slowly convincing me that I should seriously consider buying this set. Those 006 owners, who have experience with the P50 Fujitsu plasma, are particularly convincing...to me. But $16,000+, including tax and a new stand, is a major investment!

I'm in an area where there is no 006 to observe. Your feedback is...for the moment...all I have to judge this set. I don't believe any display is perfect. I love my P50 but have learned to live with some of it's deficiencies. I now want a bigger screen.

I don't know what happened to "Dream Catcher" who compared his 006 to the P50 while watching the AFC/NFC playoffs. However, "Ray" posted his comments comparing the P50 to the 006 more recently. I'm surprised how definitive they both were about the superiority of the 006 over the P50.

There are a few reasons I went with the P50 over a RPTV, almost 2 years ago. I'm hoping that some of you can comment on the 006 and how it handles what were well known deficiencies in RPTVs. If you guys think these issues should be discussed in another thread then I'll re-post, but where best to ask these questions than in the owners thread?

OFF AXIS VIEWING: Top of the line plasmas produced superior PQ at more horizontal angles...up to 160 degrees. Also vertical off-axis viewing is always consistent with a plasma, but not RPTVs. I know this problem has been improved with each new RPTV generation, but the last time (last week) I saw an LCD or CRT RPTV, the problem had not been satisfactorily resolved...for my purposes. We usually watch TV straight on and sitting down but many times someone is standing by the display or in the kitchen watching 120-130 degrees off-axis. As I've said I've yet to see a RPTV that didn't have some off-axis PQ degradation. This is less of a problem with DLPs, but I think they can have a waxy look and there are those rainbows. Has the 006 corrected the off-axis problem and if so to what extent?

UNIFORM BRIGHNESS: I've noticed this problem for years. It's still present in the 70" XBR LCD. The center of the display is brighter than other areas. With the new 70" LCD XBRs, the problem is much more subtle than it was in past when the hot spots (especially with CRT RPTV) were very evident. But the lack of uniform brightness is still noticeable...to me. [Again DLPs have less of a problem but they have other issues.] You know what I'm describing. Even if you're sitting in the center, you can move your head or slowly move your body horizontally and the brighness of the picture changes, although it is less of a problem with the newest sets. This is similar to the off-axis viewing issue, but since you can observe it while sitting in or near the center I put it in a different category. Has the 006 eliminated this problem?

WASHED OUT PICTURE IN BRIGHT LIGHT: My family room has many windows and it opens onto a kitchen which has even more windows. The couch is in front of a sliding glass door. My family room faces west and so the sun is a problem in the summer, until after 8:30. 2 years ago a plasma was my only real choice. LCD and CRT RPTV suffered too much PQ degradation in bright light. The current 70" XBR still has the problem. I saw that set with soft lighting at Magnolias and it looked very good. The Good Guys had the same set in the front of the store facing the front door and during the day the PQ suffers greatly. Has the 006 eliminated this problem?

REFLECTED IMAGE: The nature of RPTVs are that they involve a reflected image. Diirect view sets do not. I've never liked that that 'reflected' image look. For me at least, it detracts from the reality of the image. How does the 006 handle the reflected image? Is it as realistic as a direct view?

It may sound like I'm being picky but...as I said... we're talking about 16K+ for a TV + tax + stand. I know plasmas have their problems, but I already own one of those. I really suspect that the 006 will have some kind of deficiencies because we're not to the point where technology can produce a perfect 70" HD display. I don't think whatever deficiencies this display will eventually have will necessarily be a deal breaker. But I do want to know the nature of any deficiecies. Some people consider certain deficiencies to be a deal breaker, others don't even notice the *deficiencies*.

Thanks. I think answering these questions will help a lot of people.

ToddD

02-07-05, 07:37 PM

Penton-Man

02-07-05, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by wojtek
:)
:)
It is recognized you have a funny sense of being funny.:D

mpsan

02-07-05, 08:00 PM

Great...makes me wonder. My surround is high power as well...I have to run the Meridian 568 into something good! :D

I assume the pure sine-wave bit did not matter?

Originally posted by colortv
Based on my experience last night, the Belkin 1250VA might be a better choice. After the game I was demoing the 006 to my friends with some D-Theater 1080i source material. I inadvertently had my amp cranked up way too loud when the D-Theater logo came on which caused the amp to draw more current than the Belkin UPS was able to supply, causing a fast shutdown of the whole system when the Belkin tripped! Not exactly what I had in mind, since one of the bases I wanted to cover with the Belkin UPS was to let the lamp cool down gradually by the TV's internal fans in the event of a power failure. An embarrasing moment to be sure, but at least everyone's hearing was protected by the fast shutdown! All was well moments later when I restarted the Belkin UPS and no further problems even at fairly loud volume. I have all components plugged into the Monster 5100 power conditioner - the Monster is the only thing plugged into the Belkin UPS. The 1250VA would probably have been a better choice for the extra pittance - a cushion is a good thing.

brt3

02-07-05, 08:01 PM

from: http://www.apcc.com/products/runtime_for_extendedruntime.cfm

Runtime by load for: APC AV Power Conditioners with Battery
For 120V input voltage; runtime in minutes at various loads:
Model S10: 18 min @ 500W, 14 min @ 600W, 11 min @ 685W
Model S15: 18 min @ 500W, 14 min @ 600W, 11 min @ 700W, 8 min @ 800W, 7 min @ 900W

These models go on sale sometime this year and might be good choices, although they don't sound particularly cheap...

brt3

02-07-05, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by DOBE

OFF AXIS VIEWING: Top of the line plasmas produced superior PQ at more horizontal angles...up to 160 degrees. Also vertical off-axis viewing is always consistent with a plasma, but not RPTVs.

UNIFORM BRIGHTNESS: I've noticed this problem for years. It's still present in the 70" XBR LCD. The center of the display is brighter than other areas. Has the 006 eliminated this problem?

WASHED OUT PICTURE IN BRIGHT LIGHT: My family room has many windows and it opens onto a kitchen which has even more windows. The couch is in front of a sliding glass door. My family room faces west and so the sun is a problem in the summer, until after 8:30. 2 years ago a plasma was my only real choice. Has the 006 eliminated this problem?

REFLECTED IMAGE: The nature of RPTVs are that they involve a reflected image. Diirect view sets do not. I've never liked that that 'reflected' image look. For me at least, it detracts from the reality of the image.

It may sound like I'm being picky but...

DOBE,

I rather doubt your the pickiest person on this board; all in all this seems like a pretty critical group who are ready to accept whatever flaws this set may have.

Regarding your issues:

OFF-AXIS VIEWING is outstanding with the Qualia; far better than ANY RPTV I've ever seen. You'd have to be at a very extreme angle for this to be an issue.

UNIFORM BRIGHTNESS is outstanding on this set. I'm not sure how Sony did it, as this is something that's always annoyed me about RPTV. With the Q006 you get outstanding brightness that is creamy-smooth. Sorry to use peanut-butter metaphors, but other RPTVs look chunky by comparison. I am using the DVE tape tonight and will be interested to confirm these opinions carry over into test patterns...

WASHED-OUT PICTURE is the only area where you might have a problem, though it will be far less severe with the Q006 than with any other RPTV. If I were spending this kind of money (wait... I just did!) I might try and invest in some window coverings, or the new style of external "storm blinds" that are totally hidden until needed. Would either of these be an option?

REFLECTED IMAGE: I'm not certain what you're describing here; could you go into more detail? Suffice it to say, the Q006 sets new standards for realism; the only thing that might be better is a QUALIA004, Sony G90, or other world-class projector in an optimized front-projection setup (read: darkened room, dedicated home theater). I don't think you'll get any better "realism" from something that's so easily installed in the average living room

Dilbert1

02-07-05, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by nhey
ColorTV - I'm not sure how to calculate the capacity I would need for a UPS.

Is it the sum of the watts each component + the 006 draws?

006 = 330 watts
AV receiver = 100 watts
HD TIVO = 40 watts
Comcast 6412 = don't know, assume 40 watts
DVD player = 40 watts

Total = 550 watts

So I would need a UPS that can provide at a very minimum at least 550 watts of power??
How much do the 1100va and 1250va provide?

The power required is indeed the sum. The only reason it would not be the sum is if the power for each unit is peak power and you have enough units that it becomes valid to consider the average power for all components. That is not likely to be the case here.

I am not sure why to you need to plug anything but the Qualia into the UPS.
Indeed, you would know right away that the circuit the Qualia was plugged into failed because the picture would quit, but the fan and led would still be running.

Keep in mind that the UPS may also introduce harmonics into the line that may defeat some of the purpose of your power conditioner - except surge protection.

Loss of forced air cooling results in thermal soakback. This means that when the cooling air is removed the thermal energy from the lamp fixture spreads through areas of low thermal resistance possibly to structures/components that do not tolerate repeated heating and cooling cycles. The lamp itself is probably the hottest thing in the set even when the fan is on. I would be suprised (and I've been suprised before) to find significant damage to the Qualia from very infrequent loss of power but caution in this matter is personal preference. Imagine neighborhoods with power failure and hundreds of sets failing simultaneously - very bad design and business for Sony.

Dilbert1

Dilbert1

02-07-05, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by kaduku
Dilbert and brt3,

I have contacted Radtech and told them that I am interested in buying a large uncut amount of their optex fabric for use on my large screen tv. The person I talk to said that she will forward the request to upper management. I also told her that this can be a new venture for them to manufacture screen covers for large tvs', since they are not too many out there available and that maybe I can be their first test subject. This is a good sign since she didn't laugh at me and hung up.

brt3,
Those sites you provided are very interesting. If it doesn't pan out with Radtech, then maybe we'll go with those companies, though I prefer those luxurious optex fabrics.

Sounds good.

Dilbert1

brt3

02-07-05, 08:42 PM

One other thing about the Qualia 006; get ready to have an intense dislike for nearly everythiing else. I always thought of myself as an extremely critical viewer, but my standards are now even higher than before. This has resulted in my hardly being able to watch my other set, a well-calibrated 50" Sony XBR plasma. Though this set was bought mainly as a convenience for the other members of my family (very easy to use, and good for viewing photos on Memory Stick) I could tolerate (dare I say even enjoy?) watching it when the quality of the source material was high and reasonably lit. After watching my Qualia it is extremely difficult to watch the plasma, or any other sets for that matter. I really don't want to sound like a snob here, but this set WILL change your standards. I have been secretly scheming about going into debt, redesigning my living room, and installing another Qualia there (or one of the cheaper Sony SXRD models). Do I need to see a specialist, or is this simply another case of Qualia-itis?

MotorMouth777

02-07-05, 09:06 PM

Tulsa....

Would you be willing to post the Serial number when Qualia takes it back and replaces your set as they should. Would hate for anyone to get a "recycled" set as new. Pretty sure they would not do that but with a big corporation and people under pressure to deliver sets....................... you never know.

sparkysj

02-07-05, 09:16 PM

Monster and other power conditioners claim with "clean power" you get a sharper picture and better sounding audio as well. My question is has anyone noticed subjectively or objectively any difference with the highher end products such as the HTS 5100?

sj

sparkysj

02-07-05, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by jb007
Oh, OK. That must be the problem. I was looking for a picture and audio when the JVC was set to I-1 (the 006). I'll make a "blind" test recording. Thanks.

jb007,

Did it work? I am interested in getting the JVC but with D*tv is it a worthy investment? I was not really clear on the dialogue between you and colortv.

sj

sparkysj

02-07-05, 09:56 PM

Penton-Man,

Watched Lawrnence of Arabia over the wkend and wow!!!

sj

Penton-Man

02-07-05, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
Penton-Man,

Watched Lawrnence of Arabia over the wkend and wow!!!

sj
It is QUITE the amazing motion picture.....esp. when viewed on the 006.:)

brt3

02-07-05, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
Monster and other power conditioners claim with "clean power" you get a sharper picture and better sounding audio as well. My question is has anyone noticed subjectively or objectively any difference with the highher end products such as the HTS 5100?
sj

I think a lot of factors come into play here. The biggest two I can think of would be:

1.) The quality of the power in your "neighborhood". In my previous location I was out in the country. I had the two Monster Reference products (HTPS 7000 & HTS 5100) set up and they made a huge improvement in both sound and picture quality. The HTPS gives you a steady 120V output no matter what; it had to work incredibly hard as the meter showing the power input would fluctuate constantly (from about 112 to 126). My wife (then girlfriend) works for the local utility, and she was astonished by this variation. But, I was out in the country and probably as far from a substation as you could get. The Monster products were ideal at resolving this situation.

2.) The quality of the power supplies in your equipment. Most RPTVs skimp in this area, and when you get rapid changes between bright and dark scenes the power supply just can't keep up. These products really helped in this area; I could really notice a difference after adding them to my system.

BTW, the best products I've ever seen in this product area are by EquiTech. They make both "component" style products that stack with your other gear, as well as electrical mains or subpanel replacements that will supply balanced & regulated power to an entire room or an entire house. RGPC (Richard Gray Power Co) products get a lot of press, but they seem a bit more on the "tweaky" or magical side as far as their press and advertising, whereas the EquiTech products stress a more science-based approach (just my opinion; your mileage may vary)...

sparkysj

02-07-05, 10:43 PM

Thanks, brt3, very good explanation!

sj

brt3

02-07-05, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
Thanks, brt3, very good explanation!

sj

Must be because I spent the first 20 years of my life in Knoxville...
BTW, how's Dollywood?
:D

R Harkness

02-07-05, 11:10 PM

Very nice reply brt3 and from what I've seen of the Qualia I agree.

Originally posted by brt3

REFLECTED IMAGE: I'm not certain what you're describing here; could you go into more detail?

This is something that gets discussed off and on on the plasma forum and it's something like this:

Some people find that one of the things that attracted them to a plasma was a sort of inherent characteristic of the technology, as compared to something like a RPTV. That is, plasma, like a CRT direct-view set, is an "emissive" light source - the image being made of direct light. There is, to me, an intensity to the image that really seems to recreate the feeling of looking at real, direct light reflected off real, solid objects. That you are looking directly at the scene vs that scene being intermediated by, say, a projector and a screen.

RPTVs, for all they do so well, look like a projected (or rear-projected) image on a screen. Great for recreating the feeling of watching film, but for some of us a projected image never looks as palpable, intense and realistic as achieved by the emmissive light displays. Add to that the uneven screen illumination and subtle (and sometimes not subtle) "shiftiness" of the image with viewer movement, and it amounts to another artificial quality.

That is pretty much what he's getting at, I believe. (And, obviously, it's not like plasmas don't have liabilities of their own). I also note that not everyone sees things the same way. Of course there are people who have seen plenty of plasmas but who still prefer the performance of a projected or rear projected technology.

All that said, I was watching the Qualia yet again today and it is easily the best RPTV I've seen. It really minimizes to a great degree some of these complaints - very smooth illumination and off-axis viewing etc.

brt3

02-07-05, 11:14 PM

Rich,

Thanks -- and stay warm, eh?

jb007

02-07-05, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
jb007,

Did it work? I am interested in getting the JVC but with D*tv is it a worthy investment? I was not really clear on the dialogue between you and colortv.

sj

Haven't had a chance to try it yet. My understanding, from colortv, is that I should be able to record OTA HD, but not anything from DirecTV. However, I haven't tried it.

sparkysj

02-07-05, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by brt3
Must be because I spent the first 20 years of my life in Knoxville...
BTW, how's Dollywood?
:D

brt3,

Things have changed so much, brt3, I doubt you would even recognize it. Most of my family grew up in knoxville and surrounding areas. Dolly adds something new to Dollywood about every year. Great for the kids!

sj

colortv

02-08-05, 03:46 AM

colortv

02-08-05, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by jb007
Haven't had a chance to try it yet. My understanding, from colortv, is that I should be able to record OTA HD, but not anything from DirecTV. However, I haven't tried it.

I have not been able to record to DVHS via iLink from an HDMI source input into the Qualia. So I don't think recording from DirecTV is possible. Most of my new HD DVHS library has come from iLink/Firewire connection to my Comcast DVR. One of the big benefits of the Comcast box to me, and after yesterday's IMAX marathon on InHD2, I suddenly have a very large collection of DVHS IMAX films in gorgeous 1080i. The images are the most stunning I've seen on my 006 so far. I'm also saving all the Super Bowl commercials and half time show. Funny that friends of mine who saw Sir Paul on SDTV didn't appreciate the half time show. But it sure was incredible on the Qualia 006. The old boy still sounds good and the show was quite spectacular. Guess it didn't play as well in SD, at least not to my friends who saw it.

brt3

02-08-05, 04:25 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by R Harkness
That is, plasma, like a CRT direct-view set, is an "emissive" light source - the image being made of direct light. There is, to me, an intensity to the image that really seems to recreate the feeling of looking at real, direct light reflected off real, solid objects. That you are looking directly at the scene vs that scene being intermediated by, say, a projector and a screen.

RPTVs, for all they do so well, look like a projected (or rear-projected) image on a screen. Great for recreating the feeling of watching film, but for some of us a projected image never looks as palpable, intense and realistic as achieved by the emmissive light displays...

All that said, I was watching the Qualia yet again today and it is easily the best RPTV I've seen. It really minimizes to a great degree some of these complaints - very smooth illumination and off-axis viewing etc.

RH,

Sounds like a classic "video vs. film" debate, which seems to plague mankind. We have a "mixed" household here; my wife loves her PC, and I love my Macs. Somehow we all just get along...

Seriously, though, I understand there's a certain vibrant, lifelike quality to video that is lacking in film. To me a plasma screen has the immediacy of video, but I've alway's felt there was a greater realism with analog displays and film -- until the Qualia. Sony has it nailed, I think, as this set is bright, vibrant, and lifelike, all the while maintaining a smoothness that is analagous to film. And it's only going to get better from here on out! Anyone read that Qualia "white paper" insert in all the magazines, esp. the part about how Sony has the production yield aspect figured out and that this technology is fully scalable? Which means, over the next 6-18 months the price of SXRD (although in a Sony, not Qualia product) will likely be halved, and they can "cut" the SXRD chips to match whatever resolution they want to produce. Combine this with advances in video processor-on-a-chip techology (i.e., Realta) and the implications may be groundbreaking. Just as we've seen video production go from a $150,000 price of entry to $5-$10K with a high-end PC setup, we may be on the verge of true reference-quality imaging that is affordable for everyone, and easy to use and set up to boot.

I played around with DVE (the 1080i version) this evening and was really floored by what this set can do. The footage of the Space Shuttle is simply jaw-dropping. Especially the shot from the cargo bay, with the blue earth below and the inky blackness of space above (yikes; that sounds like Carl Sagan). This footage, and the footage towards the end of the video calibration sequence, is all exceptional.

I spent my time (which was all too brief) trying to set the perfect balance between the picture and brightness settings, as well as figuring out the effect of different settings on PQ. I'll mention my general findings here; please bear with me if I'm not specific enough as this was a quick "first draft" at getting the set dialed in.

First, the geometry on my set is very close to perfect. I'm not sure how big a Qualia pixel is (you just can't see the damn things!), but it must be within 5-10 pixels of being perfect. My image is shifted up and to the left ever so slightly; this is almost invisible even with test patterns. On some of the uniform fields you can tell that there is some light falloff in the corners, but I challenge anyone to see this on actual program content; it is very slight and only occurs on certain fields. My set seems to have some minor red fringing at the very top edge of the screen; with some of the set geometric grid patterns that use white lines along black fields, there is a white horizontal line that is essentially split by the top edge of the display area. It appears with a red fringe or shadow, but this is mostly a case of having the "wrong" type of image appearing in precisely the wrong spot; again, this is never visible on real world material. If I decide to fully calibrate the set I'll see if that's something we can deal with.

The detail on the set is extraordinary, but then we all knew that. What I found is that I was turning off some of the detail enhancement features, and ending up with a (apologies in advance) smoother or more film-like picture. The settings I ended up with are listed below. My deck is the JVC 40K, connected by CV to input 4. After setting according to the test signals -- twice -- I went back to the reference video on DVE and used that to make minor adjustments to some settings.

One other thing. Regarding earlier discussions about plasma vs. RPTV and my characterization of film vs. video: my gut is telling me that these DVHS settings are not going to translate over exactly to the HDMI inputs with my Comcast 6412. When I watch HD content on this box I notice a significant difference in optimum settings for well-done film content versus those required for good HD-video sources. The video simply has a more luminous and saturated quality to it that makes me want to turn down the picture and brightness a tad, and drop the color settings a bit to tone down the red, whereas the box-stock settings (with Pro mode enabled and the color temp set to "warm") look very good with top-quality film-sourced content.

For example, INHD2 was showing their movie trailers tonight and they looked simply fantastic (except for some Comcast compression artifacts that were subtle-but-evident with motion and quick pans). I was most impressed by the "Million Dollar Baby" trailer, especially since I'm really familiar with this film; having seen it twice over the past three weeks I have a very strong sense for what it should look like in a good theater. This is a film with beautifully done cinematography and lots of blacks and shadows, which are (often) punctuated by dramatic beams of light. This happens constantly in the film in dark gyms that are dramatically lit, with frequent dark shadows, and during in-car scenes. The fight scenes are very well lit, and color is used very effectively throughout the film. The lighting and cinematography work to empasize the battle between light and dark that occurs in the film itself.

First, the Q006 does blacks very well, although shadow detail is not perfect. The blacks are rich, however, and though by no means perfect you do not feel "cheated". There were just a few scenes where I felt like a was missing out on the last bit of detail lost in the shadows or darkness, but this felt like it happened infrequently and to a minor degree. I was much more impressed by what the set did right. Smooth depiction of microscopic detail, for example -- you can trace every wrinkle, line, and pore on Clint Eastwood's skin. Same with Morgan Freeman; his face is a great test for detail resolution in a display. Read that sentence again: "smooth resolution of microscopic detail". THAT is the core of this set, IMHO. You get all the detail a 1080P device can provide, but it gives it to you in a form that is without digital flaws or artifacts. It is brutally sharp yet smooth and very easy to look at. After seeing this trailer on the Qualia I knew I'd seen image quality superior to what I'd seen in the theater. For a fim buff that's saying something.

Sorry to ramble on. Let me relate the settings I ended up with on the DVHS input. This was really walking a very fine balance between the Picture and Brighness settings. What I ended up with after several rounds of setting and resetting was:

Settings/JVC 40K deck/CV to input 4
Picture mode: PRO
Picture: 55
Brightness: 29
Color: 30
Hue: 0
Sharpness: Minimum
Color Temp: Warm
Noise Reduction: OFF
Direct Mode: ON
Game Mode: OFF

ADVANCED MENU SETTINGS:
BN Smoother: OFF
Cinema Black Pro: ON
Color Space: Normal
Color Corrector: OFF
DTE: OFF
Clear White: ON
Detail Enhancer: OFF
Black Corrector: Low
Gamma Correction: OFF
White Balance: NO CHANGE

Afterwards I went back to the reference video material on DVE to confirm everything looked perfect, which it did to me. I then followed that up with the DVHS version of "Moulin Rouge" -- a great test for dark blacks, shadow detail, vibrant colors, and insane amounts of quickly cut frenetic dance scenes. This film looked wonderful, I thought (and I saw it in the theatical release as well). This film's signature color is a deep intense red; what a challenge for any display device, as the colors in this film are as vivid and richly saturated as any I've seen on film. The Qualia handled the film beautifully, with the coup de grace being the scene where Nicole Kidman is lowered from the darkness above into the crowd. The contrast between her pale skin and the darkness of the shadow behind her is striking on the Qualia, as is the perfect color and detail rendition of her skin.

That's about it for my viewing this evening. The more I fine-tune this set the more respect I develop for the Sony engineers, designers, and artists who conceived and built this set. I am convinced that the Qualia will be getting rave reviews from the top buff mags, but no matter what happens you'll have to pry miine out of my cold, lifeless hands to get my Qualia away from me.

Sorry for the length, but it's late and I'm less succinct at this hour. Hope this helps somebody out there, either with enjoying their Qualia more or making the decision to order a set!

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nhey

02-08-05, 07:00 AM

BRT3-

I have the distinct honor of being the first to respond to your last post.

WHAT A GREAT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for taking the time to convey your impressions of the set.

I've been saying all along - the detail is amazing. Watching Matrix Revolutions on HBO-HD Saturday night, and seeing close-ups of Laurence Fishburne's complexion (no disrespect intended to a fine actor) - well...let's just say everything was sooooo clearly resolved it was kind of surprising the make-up artists didn't cover everything up...

Tulsa1

02-08-05, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Was the last Qualia support person who spoke with by any chance Margaret French ?
Your close Penton;)
She has been very courteous and open. I think it is in my best interest
to give them a chance to resolve this problem. Until then I will have
a chance to learn more about the features of the TV. MotorMouth
was quite correct about the availability of the 006s. There are no units
left in the USA at this time. I hope this wounded TV will put me in line
for the next inbound. Hopefully soon.

I did find a great option in one of the menus for monitoring the signal
strength of the OTA antenna input. It shows several details about your
incoming signal and you can even leave this window up while you
change channels.

I am dying to have an 006 that can function properly. This is like having
a fancy new car with no keys.
It is watchable after being on for a couple of hours but the inputs
are still goofed up.

Regards,
Martin

nhey

02-08-05, 07:44 AM

Tulsa-

Is the OTA option you mentioned in the service menu? No one has posted anything about the service menu as yet.

Tulsa1

02-08-05, 07:53 AM

It was under the user main menu near the bottom mixed in with
several other options. It's not obvious you have to look for it.
Great for see what you are receiving and tweeking your antenna.

Martin

JimP

02-08-05, 07:55 AM

Tulsa

Is there anything on the set like a system reboot?

Have you tried unplugging the set and replugging it after a few minutes. Surprising how many electronic devices work by doing so.

nhey

02-08-05, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Tulsa1
It was under the user main menu near the bottom mixed in with
several other options. It's not obvious you have to look for it.
Great for see what you are receiving and tweeking your antenna.

Martin

Has any other owner used this menu option? I thought I had looked through all the user menus pretty carefully, but may have missed this. Sounds like a very useful option. Thanks.

Tulsa1

02-08-05, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by JimP
Tulsa

Is there anything on the set like a system reboot?

Have you tried unplugging the set and replugging it after a few minutes. Surprising how many electronic devices work by doing so.
Thank you for the suggestion but we are past most of the basic
fixes. Keep in mind its intermittent and seems to improve after being on for
while but never correct. The HDMI inputs also will not accept 480P or
720P signals. I don't think it is a quick fix problem.
I certainly wish it was.

Martin

Tulsa1

02-08-05, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by nhey
Has any other owner used this menu option? I thought I had looked through all the user menus pretty carefully, but may have missed this. Sounds like a very useful option. Thanks.
I'm not home right now but will confirm and post exactly where that
option was located. I remember discovering it in an odd place.

kaduku

02-08-05, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by brt3
Post Preview:

Sorry for the length, but it's late and I'm less succinct at this hour. Hope this helps somebody out there, either with enjoying their Qualia more or making the decision to order a set!

brt3,
You go boy!!!!!! What a fantastic review!!!!!!!!!!!!! I already know that this is a great tv, because I own one, but your review (like others) makes me feel even better, especially since they have already run out of the first run.

ext

02-08-05, 09:29 AM

Looks to me that the Qualia 006 will be a line of rear projection sets as opposed to 006 representing only the 70" model.

Sony has two models now available in Japan for the 005 LCD line. KDX-40Q005 & KDX-46Q005
http://www.ecat.sony.co.jp/visual/tv/index.cfm?B2=35&ST=2&VC=1

Since the 006 has been introduce in Canada as the KDS-70Q006 it leaves a little hope open for smaller sized models to be available in the future as the line grows.

MotorMouth777

02-08-05, 09:54 AM

It is amazing to me that anyone can actually read that chicken scratching.

HiDef Bob

02-08-05, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by ext

Since the 006 has been introduce in Canada as the KDS-70Q006 it leaves a little hope open for smaller sized models to be available in the future as the line grows.

If you go to a Sony Store here in Vancouver, Canada there are "Qualia" signs next to the set. So, the 006 IS being sold in Canada under the Qualia name.

colortv

02-08-05, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by brt3
Post Preview ...

brt,

Thanks for your thoughtful and informative post. I'll try your settings. I'm surprised to see sharpness down that low, but I look forward to dialing in your numbers and see how they fly. Much appreciated!

jb007

02-08-05, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by HiDef Bob
If you go to a Sony Store here in Vancouver, Canada there are "Qualia" signs next to the set. So, the 006 IS being sold in Canada under the Qualia name.

That may be true, but the website in Canada makes no reference to QUALIA, and shows it as a Sony Grand Wega KDS70Q006 (http://www.sonystyle.ca/commerce/servlet/ProductDetailDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&productId=1001017&navigationPath=32050n45260).

FYI, the Canadian website also appears to allow purchase of a replacement bulb ($500 CDN) now. It previously said "not in stock," whereas now it reads "next in line." I went through the process up to the point of inputting my credit card number, and the bulb replacement showed in the cart. We may be getting close . . .

colortv

02-08-05, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by colortv
Based on my experience last night, the Belkin 1250VA might be a better choice. After the game I was demoing the 006 to my friends with some D-Theater 1080i source material. I inadvertently had my amp cranked up way too loud when the D-Theater logo came on which caused the amp to draw more current than the Belkin UPS was able to supply, causing a fast shutdown of the whole system when the Belkin tripped! Not exactly what I had in mind, since one of the bases I wanted to cover with the Belkin UPS was to let the lamp cool down gradually by the TV's internal fans in the event of a power failure. An embarrasing moment to be sure, but at least everyone's hearing was protected by the fast shutdown! All was well moments later when I restarted the Belkin UPS and no further problems even at fairly loud volume. I have all components plugged into the Monster 5100 power conditioner - the Monster is the only thing plugged into the Belkin UPS. The 1250VA would probably have been a better choice for the extra pittance - a cushion is a good thing.

I called Belkin today, and they cheerfully agreed to take back the 1100VA ($20 restocking fee) and swap it for the 1500VA. I'll feel more comfortable with the cushion after my experience on Sunday. The 1500VA lists for $200 and with the "friends of Belkin" 50% off coupon (enter 12345 in the coupon field on Belkin's website) it's a great deal at $100.

Scott MS

02-08-05, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by ext

Since the 006 has been introduce in Canada as the KDS-70Q006 it leaves a little hope open for smaller sized models to be available in the future as the line grows.

This was mentioned earlier. The 006 was also introduced as model number KDS-70Q006 in the U.S. It's the same model number of all the sets. Just in the U.S., everybody calls it the "Qualia 006". If you look on the back, it says model number "KDS-70Q006".

keyser

02-08-05, 11:03 AM

Pardon me if this is somwhere in the thread, but I´m just too lazy to got through it all. Does this set have a dymanic iris, and if it doesn´t(which I don´t think it has) any idea why not(since a rather cheapish hs-51 LCD has it)? SXRD with DI sounds killer to me.

ext

02-08-05, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Scott MS
This was mentioned earlier. The 006 was also introduced as model number KDS-70Q006 in the U.S. It's the same model number of all the sets. Just in the U.S., everybody calls it the "Qualia 006". If you look on the back, it says model number "KDS-70Q006".
I forgot about that. Half my brain shuts off when I get excited. ;)

Penton-Man

02-08-05, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by Tulsa1
Your close Penton;)
She has been very courteous and open.
Excellent, it sounds like you’re progressing up the chain of command in an expeditious fashion.
It would figure that the one guy here that I wanted to check passing 480i vs 1080i from a Pio 59 avi to the 006, would receive his TV apparently D.O.A.

Penton-Man

02-08-05, 12:00 PM

brt-
Great review!
When you get a chance... let us know what your settings end up using the HDMI input with your Comcast 6412.

Penton-Man

02-08-05, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by keyser
Pardon me if this is somwhere in the thread, but I´m just too lazy to got through it all. Does this set have a dymanic iris
I don't believe it does.

keyser

02-08-05, 12:17 PM

Anyone have an idea as to why sony don´t use a dynamic iris like they do on the hs-51?

jb007

02-08-05, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by keyser
Pardon me if this is somwhere in the thread, but I´m just too lazy to got through it all. Does this set have a dymanic iris, and if it doesn´t(which I don´t think it has) any idea why not(since a rather cheapish hs-51 LCD has it)? SXRD with DI sounds killer to me.

There is reference in the Owner's Guide to a mechanical iris.

There has been a lot of speculation about what would make the 006 better than it already is, i.e., dynamic iris, 1080p input, etc. All I can tell you is that all owners that have posted (with a working 006 ;)) have been extremely pleased with the 006. Even non-owners have opined it is the best RPTV available on the market. Certainly improvements will be made over time, but for this moment, the 006 does most everything I expect and demand of it. But if I wanted to be greedy, well that's another story . . . :D

brt3

02-08-05, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by colortv
I'm surprised to see sharpness down that low, but I look forward to dialing in your numbers and see how they fly. Much appreciated!

colortv,

I was not prepared for this result, and was also surprised by going to OFF or LOW settings on some of the image/detail settings. Two things that are in play here, I think, are the incredible resolution of the set, along with the incredible resolution of the DVE tape video material. I may need to alter these settings when using more "real" material, but with DVE these settings are what looks best to me.

Penton-Man

02-08-05, 01:28 PM

color - please check your PM

freddy23

02-08-05, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by HiDef Bob

If you go to a Sony Store here in Vancouver, Canada there are "Qualia" signs next to the set. So, the 006 IS being sold in Canada under the Qualia name.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I was talking to my local Sony guy and he was telling me ( for what it is worth) that the XBR line in Canada will be phased out and replaced with the Qualia line. Since the Qualia line is supposed to be Sony's premium line, this doesn't make a lot of sense. Oh well, as long as I can get my hands on an 006, I could care less what they call it.

P.S. He did say that the US will still have the XBR line

kaduku

02-08-05, 02:40 PM

I just finished talking to John at Radtech, makers of the Optex Fabric used for computer monitors and laptops. For those of you who are not familiar with this fabric, it is one of the softest, lightest, lint free material on the planet. I have one on my Imac screen, and I believe brt3 has one too. John does have uncut sizes that will be enough for the 006. All I have to do is buy an 3/8 inch wide elastic band to be sewn around the edges to be done by an upholstery expert. Looks especially sharp when you have a tight fit. I've already emailed him the dimensions that I need for my set. He qouted me $39.00 per linear yard. Each roll is 60 inches wide. Enough room the 006. I know that is pretty expensive, but believe me it is worth it. Besides you just spent over 13 grand, whats another $120. I also asked John that he may get additional orders from this forum, so maybe he can give us a discount or something, just mention my name Randy. Several colors are available, gray (which I am getting), black, aqua blue, and the jaguar pattern for you wild ones. If you're interested, check out the website and email him. Don't forget to mention my name.

Now if you have an dust free environment, then you don't need a cover, but if you do, then you need to cover this baby with something.

http://www.radtech.us/Products/ImacScreensavrz.aspx

john@radtech.us

DocDVD

02-08-05, 02:47 PM

Just wanted to give everyone the official Qualia non-Qualia store dealer update....today we got in all of our Qualia 006s for our customers, the first US dealer to get them outside the Qualia stores in Vegas and NY. We even got one extra. The wait is over. This means hopefully every dealer who got approved to be Qualia dealers should be getting them soon assuming they have completed the Qualia training and completed the required riders. Awesome!

Barrybud

02-08-05, 02:50 PM

But keep in mind other peripherals you may want to plug into the UPS such as cable DVR, DVD player, and a/v receiver. You could quickly run out of power cushion as I found out with the 1100VA as mentioned in the previous post.

You may want to rethink plugging any high current unit like an amp or AV receiver into a UPS. Who cares if that goes off during a power failure. Maybe its own surge protection (sp), but the nature of sp may not feed an amp all the power it needs when it wants it.

Save the TV so it can cool down and a DVR in case its recording at the time.

DOBE,

There is just something about viewing pixels directly that seems more life like.

LCoS off axis viewing is far better than any other RPTV technology. Its even better than LCD flat panel because there is a color shift on the LCD when you get out of the sweet spot. Only Plasma and tube are better.

brt3

02-08-05, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by kaduku
I just finished talking to John at Radtech... John does have uncut sizes that will be enough for the 006. I also told John that he may get additional orders from this forum, so maybe he can give us a discount or something, just mention my name Randy.

Randy,

That's great news; let me know if you want to "combine" orders to defer costs for the manufacturing aspect, as I definitely want one in grey. Check your PM...

brt3

02-08-05, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by Tulsa1
I'm not home right now but will confirm and post exactly where that
option was located. I remember discovering it in an odd place.

when you call up "menu" on the remote this is the item on the bottom, the one with four squares set together. When you have a CableCard selecting this item gives you options for iLink, etc., and the CC status is under "diagnostics". I assume this changes depending on the input to the set?

brt3

02-08-05, 03:18 PM

One quick note regarding my settings from DVE. That setup was done under pretty critical viewing conditions; the room was not dark, but the lighting was set fairly low. I'll let eveyone know how this translates into "real world" viewing with the lights up and using less than perfect source material...

Dilbert1

02-08-05, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by kaduku
I just finished talking to John at Radtech, makers of the Optex Fabric used for computer monitors and laptops.
http://www.radtech.us/Products/ImacScreensavrz.aspx

john@radtech.us

Are you going to make it big enough to just stretch around the protective screen?

I would assume you are not going to try to cover the whole set like the bag that comes with the shipping box.

Dilbert1

Dilbert1

02-08-05, 03:23 PM

kaduku

02-08-05, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Dilbert1
Are you going to make it big enough to just stretch around the protective screen?

I would assume you are not going to try to cover the whole set like the bag that comes with the shipping box.

Dilbert1

I'm going to do it just like the imac cover. Just over the edges on the top and bottom, and around the speakers. My main concern is keeping dust off the screen. The fabric does stretch a little and it will be big enough for the whole screen. I want it to be a tight fit like the way they have it on their website. Have you emailed John yet? Do it soon so he sees that we mean business and hopefully gives us a discount. I think brt3 has already done so.

Tulsa1

02-08-05, 03:46 PM

My contact called today to let me know they had a new
replacement for my 006 and the ball is rolling for the exchange.
They seem anxious to resolve this. I will rest easier tonight.
I am hoping the delivery of the second TV will be more professional.
I also got a call from NVC asking me to rate them on my delivery
experience. I told them that I felt sorry for my TV and the local guys
that had to delivery it. They were not prepared or experienced in handling
something like the 006. A young man and his father was not a fair match
for this beast. Looking forward to joining the ranks of the happy Qualians.

Cheers,
Martin

MotorMouth777

02-08-05, 03:52 PM

Its good to see Qualia taking care of their customers the right way.

Now I just hope they don't try and fix the broken set and then pass it off to someone else as new?

colortv

02-08-05, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by Barrybud
You may want to rethink plugging any high current unit like an amp or AV receiver into a UPS. Who cares if that goes off during a power failure. Maybe its own surge protection (sp), but the nature of sp may not feed an amp all the power it needs when it wants it.

Save the TV so it can cool down and a DVR in case its recording at the time.

Good idea. Thanks. I had the receiver plugged into the Monster because I had heard about improved "sonic clarity." But I can't hear a difference with my Yamaha 2500 plugged into the Monster HTS 5100 vs the wall, so I may go with your suggestion. I guess my FM presets are at risk though, and even more of a concern are the YPAO settings for my room. We seem to go through quite a few power outages every year here in LA, however brief they may be. Not so brief last year - no juice for 36 hours on one occasion!

colortv

02-08-05, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Its good to see Qualia taking care of their customers the right way.

Now I just hope they don't try and fix the broken set and then pass it off to someone else as new?

Could be something as simple as a loose internal connection from rough handling. But this one may end up as a store demo.

HiDef Bob

02-08-05, 04:02 PM

From all I have read and what I personally have seen at the Sony Store (from a unit that isn't even being displayed at its best), I am now saving for a hoped for 50 or 60 inch Qualia - priority 1! If such a unit does come available I would hope to pick one up by Christmas or shortly there after.

colortv

02-08-05, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by HiDef Bob
From all I have read and what I personally have seen at the Sony Store (from a unit that isn't even being displayed at its best), I am now saving for a hoped for 50 or 60 inch Qualia - priority 1! If such a unit does come available I would hope to pick one up by Christmas or shortly there after.

Bob,

Save up for SXRD. You won't be happy with anything else now that you have been enlightened. I've actually started to take the set for granted, but I get a reality check when I see any other HDTV regardless of price. I think it's going to be awhile before any other technology trumps SXRD.

brt3

02-08-05, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by kaduku
I'm going to do it just like the imac cover. Just over the edges on the top and bottom, and around the speakers. My main concern is keeping dust off the screen. The fabric does stretch a little and it will be big enough for the whole screen. I want it to be a tight fit like the way they have it on their website. Have you emailed John yet? Do it soon so he sees that we mean business and hopefully gives us a discount. I think brt3 has already done so.

I've emailed John as well. My ideas are slightly different from kaduku's in that I would like to make something that fits over the Q006 like a tailored suit, covering the entire front, sides, rear, and top of the set. When I'm on the road this would really protect the screen and keep the dust to a minimum. This approach, however, will be more expensive to produce since there's a lot more measuring, sewing, and design involved.

Cleanmaxx Brian

02-08-05, 04:46 PM

Just to let you all know, Vanns has the JVC HMDH40000U for $399. According to ColorTV, this is a must have for the Qualia...

I think that is a good price no?
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/473799114

colortv

02-08-05, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Cleanmaxx Brian
Just to let you all know, Vanns has the JVC HMDH40000U for $399. According to ColorTV, this is a must have for the Qualia...

I think that is a good price no?
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/473799114

That is an excellent price! That's who I bought my 40K from. I haven't seen a cheaper price.

Dilbert1

02-08-05, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by kaduku
I'm going to do it just like the imac cover. Just over the edges on the top and bottom, and around the speakers. My main concern is keeping dust off the screen. The fabric does stretch a little and it will be big enough for the whole screen. I want it to be a tight fit like the way they have it on their website. Have you emailed John yet? Do it soon so he sees that we mean business and hopefully gives us a discount. I think brt3 has already done so.

I emailed John. I think the cover for just the screen works for me. For longer periods I think I would just put a blanked over the whole thing or use the shipping bag. A snug fit with the cover while being easy to put on or off will make it more useable.

For me the main concern is an accidental bump of the screen with a hard object or finger prints with the kids.

Dilbert1

kaduku

02-08-05, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by Dilbert1
I emailed John asking about the prices and mentioning your name.

Dilbert1,
I was just planning to cover the glass only, but after talking to brt3, I might just do what he plans to do by covering the whole thing. More material, but what the heck, it's worth it.

To all owners,
Pls look behind the glass and see if you have any dust. I have covered my set since receiving it with a satin bed cover. My old 70 XBR had dust collecting just after 2-3 days. I have already heard from a 006 owner that he already has dust.

Dilbert1

02-08-05, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by brt3
when you call up "menu" on the remote this is the item on the bottom, the one with four squares set together. When you have a CableCard selecting this item gives you options for iLink, etc., and the CC status is under "diagnostics". I assume this changes depending on the input to the set?

Push the antenna button and the diagnostics option will be available.

Dilbert1

brt3

02-08-05, 05:54 PM

One reason I don't mind using a full cover is that I'm very tall; this makes it relatively easy for me to put on/take off even though the set w/stand is fairly tall...

slocko

02-08-05, 05:57 PM

Thank you for a clear and concise explanation on this matter. I never really understood it too well.

Originally posted by brt3
I think a lot of factors come into play here. The biggest two I can think of would be:

1.) The quality of the power in your "neighborhood". In my previous location I was out in the country. I had the two Monster Reference products (HTPS 7000 & HTS 5100) set up and they made a huge improvement in both sound and picture quality. The HTPS gives you a steady 120V output no matter what; it had to work incredibly hard as the meter showing the power input would fluctuate constantly (from about 112 to 126). My wife (then girlfriend) works for the local utility, and she was astonished by this variation. But, I was out in the country and probably as far from a substation as you could get. The Monster products were ideal at resolving this situation.

2.) The quality of the power supplies in your equipment. Most RPTVs skimp in this area, and when you get rapid changes between bright and dark scenes the power supply just can't keep up. These products really helped in this area; I could really notice a difference after adding them to my system.

BTW, the best products I've ever seen in this product area are by EquiTech. They make both "component" style products that stack with your other gear, as well as electrical mains or subpanel replacements that will supply balanced & regulated power to an entire room or an entire house. RGPC (Richard Gray Power Co) products get a lot of press, but they seem a bit more on the "tweaky" or magical side as far as their press and advertising, whereas the EquiTech products stress a more science-based approach (just my opinion; your mileage may vary)...

Dilbert1

02-08-05, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by colortv
Good idea. Thanks. I had the receiver plugged into the Monster because I had heard about improved "sonic clarity." But I can't hear a difference with my Yamaha 2500 plugged into the Monster HTS 5100 vs the wall, so I may go with your suggestion. I guess my FM presets are at risk though, and even more of a concern are the YPAO settings for my room. We seem to go through quite a few power outages every year here in LA, however brief they may be. Not so brief last year - no juice for 36 hours on one occasion!

We go years without any interruption in power. If it is a common occurance in your location I can see the logic to using a UPS.

Dilbert1

Dilbert1

02-08-05, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by kaduku
Dilbert1,
I was just planning to cover the glass only, but after talking to brt3, I might just do what he plans to do by covering the whole thing. More material, but what the heck, it's worth it.

To all owners,
Pls look behind the glass and see if you have any dust. I have covered my set since receiving it with a satin bed cover. My old 70 XBR had dust collecting just after 2-3 days. I have already heard from a 006 owner that he already has dust.

Now I'm curious.

As far as I can see it is not possible for dust to get behind the screen. The chassis has rubber seals that press up against the screen so dust cannot easily get behind the screen. I do not understand what advantage there is to a cover that is larger than the screen. The back of the Qualia does not need to be protected (as far as I can see). In fact it may not be a good idea to cover or partially restrict the ventilation holes or the ability of the case to radiate heat in case the Qualia turns on by accident (kids or a bump of the controller). The back of the Qualia is dark in color because it looks good that way and also because it radiates heat more effectively.

I think the main vulnerability is from being bumped and scratched by a hard object. I also suggest that you consider ease of use.

Let me know your reasons and ideas.

Dilbert1

Penton-Man

02-08-05, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by Tulsa1
My contact called today to let me know they had a new
replacement for my 006 and the ball is rolling for the exchange.
They seem anxious to resolve this.
That's the best news I've heard today!

Penton-Man

02-08-05, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by kaduku
I have already heard from a 006 owner that he already has dust.
Can you elaborate a little on this?

Does he post on this forum?

Joel

02-08-05, 06:49 PM

Indeed, how can one tell? And, how can one be sure that the dust or whatever came during use rather than final assembly? Just curious.

Cheers

kaduku

02-08-05, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by Dilbert1
Now I'm curious.

As far as I can see it is not possible for dust to get behind the screen. The chassis has rubber seals that press up against the screen so dust cannot easily get behind the screen. I do not understand what advantage there is to a cover that is larger than the screen. The back of the Qualia does not need to be protected (as far as I can see). In fact it may not be a good idea to cover or partially restrict the ventilation holes or the ability of the case to radiate heat in case the Qualia turns on by accident (kids or a bump of the controller). The back of the Qualia is dark in color because it looks good that way and also because it radiates heat more effectively.

I think the main vulnerability is from being bumped and scratched by a hard object. I also suggest that you consider ease of use.

Let me know your reasons and ideas.

Dilbert1

Before I received my 70 XBR, I did some research and found many owners complaining about dust easily getting behind the glass. I did not think much of this and after receiving my unit, I did notice some dust, but too much. Then when I decided to return the unit for a 006 (about 2 weeks) , I started really noticing alot more dust. THe 70 XBR also had a good rubber seal and I really don't have any idea why dust is collecting behind the glass, but I don't want to take a chance with this $13,000 baby. Someone mention that static might be the culprit. I agree with you that there is no need to cover the back and I guess it's just a personel preference. I am still debating whether to cover the screen only or the whole back. I may also just cover the whole thing with a bed cover during long non-use periods, but I definitely want the screen covered at least with the optex fabric. I only have one child and he's 10 years old and very responsible, if anything, I am more of a child, so I am not really worried about anyone bumping the thing or fingerprints.