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HardDriver

12-14-06, 10:55 AM

BenDover

12-14-06, 11:06 AM

Hopefully I will get my first new bulb and will be replacing it myself (got the set in June of '05, not sure of the hours). From what others have said here, it's not that big of a deal and I am probably going to try and clean the "little window" with some lens cleaner if it's dusty, and I may even snap a few pictures while I'm in there for anyone unsure of the procedure. With that said, I would like some more input on the "Power Saving Mode" and the "High Altitude" settings a few (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9131222&highlight=150W#post9131222) others (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9003212&highlight=150W#post9003212) have mentioned without much elaboration. Exactly how much longer bulb life could I expect with the faster fan and 150W power setting, and how much will it dim my picture? Another thing which I have wondered: I know short on/off power cycles can be hard on the mercury bulb, but what will shorten its life the most? Leaving the set on for long periods (all day) or turning it on and off 2 or 3 times a day?

i wimped out on the "cleaning the lens" bit ... it was a friday night and the kids were due home any minute to start our traditional movie night ...

for the first year i had my set on power saving mode and i don't think it bought me any additional life comparing my bulb hours to others' (iirc, just a bit over 2700)...i did not have high altitude on though...maybe others have turned that on and can report.

during the week my set is typically on/off in the morning for about 2hrs of viewing, then on/off at night for 2-4hrs. weekends can vary but typically included much heavier usage with 2-5 on/off cycles and probably 10-12 hours "on" time per day.

HardDriver

12-14-06, 12:05 PM

Thanks for your input, I'm going to have to venture into the service menu so I can accurately compare my old bulb's life with the "cool kids" in here to create some comparative statistics.

BenDover

12-14-06, 03:06 PM

update on holiday bug toy shopping:

i ended up going with the apc j type power conditioner (j15blk)...the s type just seems too hard to get a hold of without jumping through hoops...not to mention the price!

as for the speakers i am going to be buying for my den setup, i will be going with definitive technology's new UIW RCS and RSS II speakers; they were kind enough to provide me with this product literature:

[EDIT: hmm, for some reason the attachment is not working; will try to upload from home tonight]

brt3

12-14-06, 03:33 PM

update on holiday bug toy shopping: I ended up going with the apc j type power conditioner (j15blk)...the s type just seems too hard to get a hold of without jumping through hoops...not to mention the price!
From whom didst thou purchase the APC???

BenDover

12-14-06, 04:19 PM

From whom didst thou purchase the APC???

did a price search and settled on thenerds.net as i've dealt with them before on occasion.

divedude

12-14-06, 05:56 PM

dd, I plan to put her thru her paces on Friday Night as I’ve got some TeeVee watching to take care of like that series about that high school football team in Texas and of course House but, threads like this :eek: ……………
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=766230&page=1&pp=30
are giving me second thoughts about the purchase.

Nevertheless, I’ll give her a fair shake and see how she works out this weekend if all goes according to plan.

PM,

Yes, I have been following that thread. It's a little scarry. I am hoping most of the problems are related to SD playback, and I won't use it for that. But I'm willing to give it a try, so I ordered one. Should have it next Wednesday. I'll be updating my Netflix profile to include both formats. :eek: More material for my Netflix complaints thread :rolleyes: Mini Dive should really enjoy Christmas being able to watch Forbidden Planet :D

Penton-Man

12-14-06, 06:03 PM

update on holiday bug toy shopping:

Update ? What the hell, I just got over your Pio plasma $$$$$ purchase!

Ya know you guys are killin me !
What is this ?
A race now to see how many toys we can accumulate before Dec. 30 !

Is there some tax benefit I am missing ?
Regarding that, is there anyone here that works for the I.R.S. that could do me a big favor to straighten something simple out with one phone call (feel free to P.M.).

Ben, thanks for the response on the “problems” thread, nobody else seemed concerned about it because they’re too involved with their non-HDMI receivers.

Penton-Man

12-14-06, 06:07 PM

PM,

Yes, I have been following that thread. It's a little scarry. I am hoping most of the problems are related to SD playback, and I won't use it for that. But I'm willing to give it a try, so I ordered one. Should have it next Wednesday. I'll be updating my Netflix profile to include both formats. :eek: More material for my Netflix complaints thread :rolleyes: Mini Dive should really enjoy Christmas being able to watch Forbidden Planet :D

Well thanks to Ben (Re. "resume feature" or bookmarking on another thread), I may just watch "Riddick" by myself tonight.... if I have the time to hook her up.
I'm saving Field of Dreams for a special occasion.

The "Resume" feature to me is a big deal because often we just get interrupted and can't watch a movie in its entirety and leave the last hour for the next night.

divedude

12-14-06, 06:23 PM

Well thanks to Ben (Re. "resume feature" or bookmarking on another thread), I may just watch "Riddick" by myself tonight.... if I have the time to hook her up.
I'm saving Field of Dreams for a special occasion.

The "Resume" feature to me is a big deal because often we just get interrupted and can't watch a movie in its entirety and leave the last hour for the next night.

Can you please point me to that link, I would like to know how to do that if it takes a special trick.

BenDover

12-14-06, 06:26 PM

Can you please point me to that link, I would like to know how to do that if it takes a special trick.

just press "B" on the remote :D

divedude

12-14-06, 06:29 PM

just press "B" on the remote :D

Thank you :) :)

BenDover

12-14-06, 06:37 PM

Thank you :) :)

here's the link (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9171101&&#post9171101) which goes into more detail regarding the setting/retrieving the bookmark :p

it is very simple and i use it all the time with my kids since they rarely are able to stay up long enough on friday nights to get through the whole movie...they did make it through ant bully last week though!

BenDover

12-14-06, 06:39 PM

Update ? What the hell, I just got over your Pio plasma $$$$$ purchase!

Ya know you guys are killin me !
What is this ?
A race now to see how many toys we can accumulate before Dec. 30 !

Is there some tax benefit I am missing ?
Regarding that, is there anyone here that works for the I.R.S. that could do me a big favor to straighten something simple out with one phone call (feel free to P.M.).

Ben, thanks for the response on the “problems” thread, nobody else seemed concerned about it because they’re too involved with their non-HDMI receivers.

my wife has seen all the new "stuff" arrive and installed, but she hasn't seen the bill and is smart enough not to ask how much :)

now, if she opens the credit card statement she will likely collapse ... but that is what year-end bonuses are for ;)

she just called me to tell me a package arrived that she signed for...it is the apc j15 power conditioner w/battery backup...guess i'll have a new toy to set up tonight; glad i'm all caught up on my tv viewing.

brt3

12-14-06, 06:41 PM

Ya know you guys are killin me ! What is this ? A race now to see how many toys we can accumulate before Dec. 30 !
All I want for Christmas is LOA on BluRay...
:D
Given BluRay's rate of issuing new releases, however, that may just have to wait unitl Xmas 2007...
:mad:
Let's hope they give it the treatment it deserves!

BenDover

12-14-06, 06:47 PM

brt, when does your panny 65in plasma arrive? are you wall mounting that beast? what are you going to do for sound?

brt3

12-14-06, 06:50 PM

brt, when does your panny 65in plasma arrive? are you wall mounting that beast? what are you going to do for sound?
If we were ready we could have it by next week, but we want to hold off on delivery until after Xmas (the tree is in the way)...

I will have it stand mounted at first, and will probably hook up a Denon S-301 initially just to get going. Simple and quick...

thesirjay

12-14-06, 06:50 PM

Apparently Sony doesn't really care how long the bulbs last anymore. A sign that the loving is probably going away (I would have thought they would want to know purely for bulb labeling and future use decisions).

"We no longer walk customers through how to view the lamp hours or reset the hours. Sorry not to assist you with that procedure."

Ah well at least I got mine and I did go the extra mile of cleaning the glass. I guess I have become jaded as the extra oomph didn't hit me nearly as hard as when I purchased it. I have also been seeing the new xbrs which from a further distance are extremely close so it wasn't the miles above experience that it was when I got mine in Mar 05.

thesirjay

12-14-06, 06:52 PM

I will have to get around to doing a thread search soon to see how many hours I had on my bulb but for the moment life is keeping me busy (and I am pondering upgrading the firmware on my hd-dvd player).

divedude

12-14-06, 06:52 PM

All I want for Christmas is LOA on BluRay...
:D
Given BluRay's rate of issuing new releases, however, that may just have to wait unitl Xmas 2007...
:mad:
Let's hope they give it the treatment it deserves!

brt3,
When I saw a Blu-ray demo on a machine from Japan in March 2005, they were using a scene from LOA to demo how great Blu-ray was. And that demo looked excellent! Wish they had gone ahead and transferred the rest of it. How long do you think it will be until Rob shows up, now that LOA is being mentioned :D

Rob Tomlin

12-14-06, 07:50 PM

brt3,
When I saw a Blu-ray demo on a machine from Japan in March 2005, they were using a scene from LOA to demo how great Blu-ray was. And that demo looked excellent! Wish they had gone ahead and transferred the rest of it. How long do you think it will be until Rob shows up, now that LOA is being mentioned :D

The very next post!

:D :D :D :D

Penton-Man

12-14-06, 10:06 PM

All I want for Christmas is LOA on BluRay...
:D
Given BluRay's rate of issuing new releases, however, that may just have to wait unitl Xmas 2007...
:mad:
Let's hope they give it the treatment it deserves!
All I know is “next year.”

I think the running joke at Sony Pictures is……….”Is that Penton asking again about LoA ? Tell him it’ll be out next year.” :eek:

The b*stards (if you SPHE guys are reading this, I’m joking, o.k.!) know how much this film means to me and won’t commit any other details to me at this time other than to say………
“It’ll be out next year.”

I mean they’re willing to show me all this other crap that I don’t care about but won’t show me anything on LoA.

I’ve dropped so many hints about sending the original print to John Lowry’s We Dust Em and Clean Em Film Services that some people at Sony are probably wondering if I’m an anonymous partial owner of Lowry’s company.

I’ve asked everybody from the top (David Bishop) of the totem pole to the bottom of the totem pole (tech’s interns) and it’s like they see me coming from a mile away and I have some sort of tracking device on…..so they clam up.

All I know at this point is, seriously that it will be available on Blu-ray in 2007 and it “looks good.” The “looks good” part came from a conversation 2 weeks ago from a tech guy who definitely knows what should “look good” now, after the initial subpar Blu-ray releases like TFE.

I’m going to watch “Riddick” tonight on the A2, I’ll post some quickie stuff tomorrow for divedude and anyone else interested.

divedude

12-14-06, 10:22 PM

I’m going to watch “Riddick” tonight on the A2, I’ll post some quickie stuff tomorrow for divedude and anyone else interested.

Thanks buddy! Looking forward to your report. I hope it looks and sound great. I've already got some movies on order and in queue. :)

BenDover

12-14-06, 10:24 PM

thestewman

12-14-06, 11:05 PM

PM

What the real story on this ?

Sony develops and promotes Blu-Ray. Now we find out it does not even build its own Blu-ray players but has Pioneer rebadge their players with the Sony name.

"Commencing set-up made clear that there were more similarities between the BDP-HD1 and Sony’s BDP-S1 than just the rear panel, as the two share identical on-screen instruction graphics, looks, placement and some fonts. The open drawer revealed the two players use the same disc drive as well, leading me to ask a Pioneer representative who builds its player. I was assured that Pioneer builds its player, including the drive, which makes it clear that Pioneer also builds Sony’s player"

brt3

12-14-06, 11:13 PM

What the real story on this ? Sony develops and promotes Blu-Ray. Now we find out it does not even build its own Blu-ray players but has Pioneer rebadge their players with the Sony name.
I wonder how many of their resources were diverted to "The Savior" -- A.K.A., PlayStation3...

HardDriver

12-14-06, 11:19 PM

Enjoy your J15, Ben, we've hard ours for about 6 months now and it has proven to be an excellent purchase! It's connected via USB to my HTPC and it is interesting to see just how poor my local power is.

Penton-Man

12-15-06, 01:20 AM

holy crap, two things arrived, my credit card statement (which the wife didn't open :D) and the apc j15...

the box for the j15 is bigger than any other a/v component i've received (excluding tv's, monitors, qualias (gets its own category ;))...haven't opened it yet but am very curious to see why the box is so damned big!
Now I'm getting jealous, I may not get the most toys by the end of December but I plan to beat your arse by the end of Jan. :p

B.T.W.
The "B" didn't work on Riddick. :(

Penton-Man

12-15-06, 01:23 AM

PM

What the real story on this ?

Sony develops and promotes Blu-Ray. Now we find out it does not even build its own Blu-ray players but has Pioneer rebadge their players with the Sony name
Well Stew that is true and I wouldn’t fret about it because sometimes when one is so pre-occupied with other things you subcontract stuff out to people that do as good a job or better than you. :)

The consumer don't care who makes what as long as it works great. :)

Penton-Man

12-15-06, 01:26 AM

I wonder how many of their resources were diverted to "The Savior" -- A.K.A., PlayStation3...
For Qualians, don't think of it as a Savior as we are above such stuff.

Think of it as the best dang Blu-ray movie playing machine on the market.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That from a person who never thought he would purchase a "gaming machine."

Penton-Man

12-15-06, 01:29 AM

"Thanks buddy! Looking forward to your report. I hope it looks and sound great. I've already got some movies on order and in queue"

Initial thoughts…………………..on the Toshiba HD A2 (Dec. 2006 build)

Set-up is a snap ! :)
I’m talking you can have people come over for a showing and before they’ve finished their first drink, you’ve already configured everything…..there just aint much to do.

Aesthetics – looks good in any rack. Black with a silver thingee in front similar to the PS3….I guess the silver thingee is to make it look more expensive than all black.

Performance (in regards to the PS3) – regarding ONE hd dvd disc – This machine is slow…..I mean sloooooow. For brt, think o the difference between an F1 race car and your ole family sedan. Honestly, you Qualians that own the 1st gen Toshibas must have the patience of Jobe because this 2nd gen unit puts my patience to the test and the 1st gen units were supposed to be slooooooooooooooooooooooooow-errrrrrrrrrr.

Everything is slooooooooooooow about it compared to the PS3. One thing that is particularly annoying is that if you rewind for a little bit, I feel like I’m dealing with a laser disc player from the ole days and then when you start forward again I get an audio drop-out lasting 2-3 seconds which I absolutely abhor.

Picture Quality (at least for this one disc)- SUPERB !
Audio Quality (at least for this one disc) Good, not as good as stuff I’ve heard with the PS3 but, that’s obviously title dependent. I flipped between the DD+ and the DTS soundtracks and DTS sounds a tad better in the sections I listened to but, I’m not sure if this is simply related to a louder default level on the DTS audio encode.

Overall – After VERY limited viewing, since I didn’t have any glitches, freezes or other such nonsense that apparently plagued a significant percentage of Gen1 owners, I’m initially happy with the purchase.

The sloooooooooooooooooowness of the unit really annoys me but, it may not you. I figure it’ a tradeoff that I’m willing to live with in order to get hif def optical discs from Universal at this time.

MotorMouth777

12-15-06, 03:00 AM

I could not take mingling with the peasants anymore at Walmart trying to find a Playstation so I just snagged one off of Ebay tonight. Not bad as only a $100 premium for the 60 gig unit. Now I guess I can piss and moan about the lack of Blu-Ray content. Like where is the Blu-Ray version of Pirates and all the Pixar stuff............... I hate it when I just want it now.

Anyone have the HD-DVD player for the XBox 360 and if so how did it look.

Here is what Blu-Ray has in the que.

Title Available_Date
View from Space with Heavenly Music 20-Jun-06
Muriel Anderson: A Guitarscape Planet 20-Jun-06
New Orleans Concert: The Music of America's Soul 20-Jun-06
The Fifth Element 20-Jun-06
Resident Evil: Apocalypse 20-Jun-06
Hitch 20-Jun-06
House of Flying Daggers 20-Jun-06
Black Hawk Down 27-Jun-06
A Knight's Tale 27-Jun-06
XXX 27-Jun-06
50 First Dates 27-Jun-06
Kung Fu Hustle 27-Jun-06
Stealth 27-Jun-06
S.W.A.T. 11-Jul-06
Ultraviolet 11-Jul-06
Underworld: Evolution 18-Jul-06
Basic Instinct 2 25-Jul-06
Silent Hill 25-Jul-06
The Big Hit 25-Jul-06
Memento 25-Jul-06
Into the Blue 01-Aug-06
RV 01-Aug-06
Monster House 01-Aug-06
Open Season 01-Aug-06
Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby 15-Aug-06
The Benchwarmers 15-Aug-06
Click 15-Aug-06
Tears of the Sun 22-Aug-06
Little Man 22-Aug-06
The Covenant 29-Aug-06
Gridiron Gang 29-Aug-06
All the King's Men 29-Aug-06
The Tailor of Panama 05-Sep-06
Vertical Limit 05-Sep-06
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back 05-Sep-06
Pat Metheny Group: The Way Up - Live 05-Sep-06
Elvis Costello and the Imposters: Club Date - Live In Memphis 19-Sep-06
The Black Crowes: Freak N Roll into the Fog 19-Sep-06
Alice Cooper: Live at Montreux, 2005 19-Sep-06
Toto: 25th Anniversary - Live in Amsterdam 19-Sep-06
X-Men: The Last Stand 19-Sep-06
Fantastic Four 19-Sep-06
Kiss of the Dragon 19-Sep-06
The Transporter 19-Sep-06
Behind Enemy Lines 25-Sep-06
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen 25-Sep-06
Speed 26-Sep-06
Kingdom of Heaven 26-Sep-06
Ice Age: The Meltdown 26-Sep-06
The Omen 26-Sep-06
Flight of the Phoenix 26-Sep-06
Rising Sun 26-Sep-06
Transporter 2 26-Sep-06
The Devil Wears Prada 26-Sep-06
The Sentinel 26-Sep-06
Alien vs. Predator 26-Sep-06
Commando 26-Sep-06
Courage Under Fire 26-Sep-06
Men of Honor 03-Oct-06
Broken Arrow 03-Oct-06
Chain Reaction 10-Oct-06
Entrapment 10-Oct-06
Phone Booth 10-Oct-06
Planet of the Apes 10-Oct-06
The Marine 10-Oct-06
SOPRANOS: SEASON SIX - PART 1 17-Oct-06
Discovery Atlas: China Revealed 17-Oct-06
Discovery Atlas: Italy Revealed 17-Oct-06
Discovery Atlas: Brazil Revealed 17-Oct-06
Discovery Atlas: Australia Revealed 17-Oct-06
Lord of War 24-Oct-06
The Punisher 24-Oct-06
Total Recall 24-Oct-06
Reservoir Dogs 24-Oct-06
Stargate 30-Oct-06
First Blood 30-Oct-06
Saw 31-Oct-06
The Devil's Rejects 31-Oct-06
Crash 31-Oct-06
Young Guns 31-Oct-06
Saw II 31-Oct-06
American Psycho 31-Oct-06
Stir of Echoes 07-Nov-06
The Descent 07-Nov-06
Crank 07-Nov-06
Employee of the Month 14-Nov-06
Saw III 14-Nov-06
Terminator 2: Judgment Day 14-Nov-06
Legends of Jazz: Showcase 14-Nov-06
The Usual Suspects 14-Nov-06
Windtalkers 14-Nov-06
Bulletproof Monk 14-Nov-06
Flyboys 14-Nov-06
Hart's War 14-Nov-06
The Princess Bride 14-Nov-06
The Last Waltz 14-Nov-06
The Terminator 14-Nov-06
Species 14-Nov-06
Bubble 21-Nov-06
Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room 21-Nov-06
HDNet World Report Special: Shuttle Discovery's Historic Mission 21-Nov-06
The Architect 21-Nov-06
The Brothers Grimm 21-Nov-06
The Great Raid 21-Nov-06
Chicago 21-Nov-06
U2: Rattle and Hum 21-Nov-06
Lara Croft: Tomb Raider 21-Nov-06
Four Brothers 28-Nov-06
Aeon Flux 28-Nov-06
Sahara 28-Nov-06
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow 28-Nov-06
Sleepy Hollow 05-Dec-06
The Italian Job 05-Dec-06
The Manchurian Candidate 05-Dec-06
We Were Soldiers 05-Dec-06
Mission: Impossible III 05-Dec-06
Nacho Libre 05-Dec-06
Reds 12-Dec-06
Mission: Impossible - Ultimate Missions Collection [Blu-Ray] 12-Dec-06
World Trade Center 12-Dec-06
Black Rain 12-Dec-06
Chronos 12-Dec-06
Tony Bennett: An American Classic 19-Dec-06
John Legend: Live at the House of Blues 19-Dec-06
Gone In 60 Seconds 19-Dec-06
Dark Water 19-Dec-06
Pearl Harbor 19-Dec-06
Annapolis 19-Dec-06
Casanova 26-Dec-06
Enemy of the State 26-Dec-06
Flightplan 02-Jan-07
Goal! 09-Jan-07
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy 16-Jan-07
The Guardian 16-Jan-07
Dinosaur 16-Jan-07
Eight Below 16-Jan-07
Glory Road 16-Jan-07
The Haunted Mansion 23-Jan-07
The Wild 23-Jan-07
Sky High 23-Jan-07
Invincible 23-Jan-07
GoodFellas 23-Jan-07
The Last Samurai 23-Jan-07
The Phantom of the Opera 23-Jan-07
Unforgiven 23-Jan-07
Scooby-Doo 23-Jan-07
The Searchers 23-Jan-07
Superman: The Movie 23-Jan-07
A Christmas Story 23-Jan-07
Blazing Saddles 23-Jan-07
The Fugitive 30-Jan-07
Full Metal Jacket 30-Jan-07
Good Night, And Good Luck. 30-Jan-07
House of Wax 30-Jan-07
Lethal Weapon 30-Jan-07
Million Dollar Baby 30-Jan-07
National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation 30-Jan-07
Space Cowboys 06-Feb-07
Swordfish 06-Feb-07
Tim Burton's Corpse Bride 06-Feb-07
Training Day 06-Feb-07
Under Siege 06-Feb-07
16 Blocks 13-Feb-07
Firewall 13-Feb-07
Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang 13-Feb-07
Lethal Weapon 2 13-Feb-07
Rumor Has It... 13-Feb-07
Syriana 13-Feb-07
ATL 13-Feb-07
The Lake House 13-Feb-07
Superman Returns 13-Feb-07
The Ant Bully 13-Feb-07
Lady in the Water 20-Feb-07

BenDover

12-15-06, 09:58 AM

pm, dish man, what are you getting by the end of jan?!?

sorry to hear about the riddick title not being authored to make use of the 'resume' feature...the early universal titles and maybe even som paramount titles apparently weren't authored to allow this feature...i had totally forgotten about that...i didn't make much use of resume in the beginning b/c i generally watched a movie through to the end ... now time is at a premium wi al the holidays and such.

the startup times seems to be hit or miss across the board...wonder if it has to do with that whole hdcp handshake ritual...

the first gen hd dvd i have is slow indeed, but usually not an issue for me but that is an individual thing...i read that the second gen startup time is supposed to be something like 20sec, how long did yours take...i presume you weren't talking about the first time startup time but subsequent startups after the player was initialised? what is the time, after the unit is already powered up, between loading a disc in the tray and playback on screen?

motor, i picked up the 360 addon when it came out and the pq over component to the q is just as good as the standalone hd dd player...sound is limited to optical out and it transcodes to dd...there is an update coming soon(?) that will allow the user to slect dts transcoding ... i guess that is significant in that it will permit the higher dts bitrate?

sweet thing about the addon, very fast load/play...but i usually use the player unless the addon is already fired up from a gaming session and it is just a kiddie movie ;) i may move the 360 setup into the den with the new pio plasma...see if the wife throws a fit :)

brt3

12-15-06, 12:55 PM

One thing about my limited experience with the Blu-Ray; it's noticeably slower than a normal DVD player, but sounds as though it may be fast relative to the HD-DVD boxes. My experience was on the Panny; the Sony/Pioneer player may be faster still...

divedude

12-15-06, 02:09 PM

Initial thoughts…………………..on the Toshiba HD A2 (Dec. 2006 build)

PM,

Thank you very much for the review. :) Your experience sounds consistent with what I have been reading on the other threads. I can live with the little things as long as it works. And if I am just playing one movie a night, a little slow startup won't kill me. I am not expecting it to sound as good as my Panny with the analog outs, but there are some movies I would like to watch in HD that only come in this format. I think mine will be here Wednesday.

brt3

12-15-06, 02:19 PM

BenDover

12-15-06, 02:57 PM

I would dearly love to see a direct comparison between a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player going head-to-head against a Denon DVD-5910Ci playing the same title on SuperBit DVD. Though I have one on order, I still may wait for the second generation of HD players, and try to maximize my exisiting DVD collection. Anybody seen such a comparo?

i remember when i was "considering" the 5910ci that umr advised me against it...

there is so much you can do with upconverting b/c after all you are simply filling in/making up information that is not there in the original signal.

a good upscaled dvd looks fine, but it just isn't true hd...a discerning eye such as yours should be able to see the difference; others, maybe not so much depending on viewing distance, size of screen, etc.

while i love to waste money on new toys :D, this is one investment i would not make...ymmv

i can just smell denon coming out with their own hd player in 2007, whether it be bd, hd dvd, both or combo...don't forget that these players are upconverter too...the toshiba 1st gen unit is actually a very good damn upconverter...shockingly so...it arguably better than my denon 3910 and my oppo 971 :eek:

i understand the panny bd player is very good too; i would expect the pio to follow suit...i don't recall what has been said about the sony player but our own jb007 has one so maybe he can fill us in.

brt3

12-15-06, 03:05 PM

i can just smell denon coming out with their own hd player in 2007, whether it be bd, hd dvd, both or combo
The Denon salesperson insisted to me that Denon will NEVER produce a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player -- because their upsampling DVD players are so spectacular. That's one of the funnier claims I've ever heard, right up there with "GM will NEVER produce a hybrid because their existing cars are so fabulous!"...

Penton-Man

12-15-06, 03:05 PM

pm, dish man, what are you getting by the end of jan?!?

Nothing yet, I'm just looking now because all you Qualians are making me feel impotent without buying more stuff. :eek:

It all really depends if I can sell a piece of property in upstate Pa. within the next 60 days or so (i.e. no problems with settlement),

Penton-Man

12-15-06, 03:07 PM

Penton-Man

12-15-06, 03:10 PM

there is so much you can do with upconverting b/c after all you are simply filling in/making up information that is not there in the original signal.

a good upscaled dvd looks fine, but it just isn't true hd...a discerning eye such as yours should be able to see the difference; others, maybe not so much depending on viewing distance, size of screen, etc.

Correcto-mundo. :)

You can't get blood out of a stone.
Only thing is...... just prepare yourselves for a range of PQ difference between all titles of both formats because ultimately it comes down to the shape of the masters and some are in sh*tty condition.

BenDover

12-15-06, 03:20 PM

Correcto-mundo. :)

You can't get blood out of a stone.
Only thing is...... just prepare yourselves for a range of PQ difference between all titles of both formats because ultimately it comes down to the shape of the masters and some are in sh*tty condition.

unfortunately this is true...and i fear that the more mass-market the new hd optical discs become, the more trash we will see, not only b/c of poor masters, but also b/c of poor/sloppy mastering, etc.

it seems that at least at this early stage, early adopters/enthusiasts are really having a say/influencing workflow...don't think it will last though :(

brt3

12-15-06, 03:26 PM

Only thing is...... just prepare yourselves for a range of PQ difference between all titles of both formats because ultimately it comes down to the shape of the masters and some are in sh*tty condition.
As the Blu-Ray version of "The Fifth Element" demonstrates very clearly; this title would -- no doubt -- look better via the SuperBit DVD on a Denon DVD-5910Ci than the Blu-Ray version. When I compared the two discs on the Panny Blu-Ray player, the differences were not that great, and the Blu-Ray had such problems (filthy, dust-covered film stock, poor registration, flickering) that it was actually less enjoyable. Like the Q006, Blu-Ray/HD-DVD will mercilessly reveal flaws in the source (if viewed on a decent display).

As to the Denon, though it's a dream DVD unit the expense doesn't work for me. At some point I've got to break down and buy a decent scaler for DVD and SD sources. I sure tried with Algolith, but they were deceptive and slow with the Mosquito HDMI/DragonFly combo. Apparently, the complexity of the Realta chip gives some of the developers fits, and leads to a lot of bugs down the road for users. Which has guided me towards the Crystalio II; it seems simple and does a good job.

BenDover

12-15-06, 03:39 PM

As the Blu-Ray version of "The Fifth Element" demonstrates very clearly; this title would -- no doubt -- look better via the SuperBit DVD on a Denon DVD-5910Ci than the Blu-Ray version. When I compared the two discs on the Panny Blu-Ray player, the differences were not that great, and the Blu-Ray had such problems (filthy, dust-covered film stock, poor registration, flickering) that it was actually less enjoyable. Like the Q006, Blu-Ray/HD-DVD will mercilessly reveal flaws in the source (if viewed on a decent display).

As to the Denon, though it's a dream DVD unit the expense doesn't work for me. At some point I've got to break down and buy a decent scaler for DVD and SD sources. I sure tried with Algolith, but they were deceptive and slow with the Mosquito HDMI/DragonFly combo. Apparently, the complexity of the Realta chip gives some of the developers fits, and leads to a lot of bugs down the road for users. Which has guided me towards the Crystalio II; it seems simple and does a good job.

i thought you already had an upscaling solution and were just looking to "upgrade" ... i agree that you still need a good upscaling solution, i just am not willing to shell out the coin for the 5910...the 3910 (and the Tosh now) suit me just fine.

the 3910 will stay with me b/c it plays dvd, sacd, dvd-audio, etc. AND it connect to my receiver via firewire! i hope upcoming hd players include firewire as a connection option.

Rob Tomlin

12-15-06, 03:41 PM

Rob may have done a compare with the Pio that you currently own.
Rob ?????

Yep.

First let me say, the Toshiba HD-A1 really does do a pretty darn good job with upconverting SD DVD's. In my direct comparison with my Pioneer Elite 59avi, I still found the Elite to be slightly cleaner and had a little more depth to it, and the color was slightly more saturated than the Toshiba.

But honestly, I would have been hard pressed to notice any differences without doing a direct comparison. And even then, the differences were pretty small.

My equipment rack is getting very full, so I have considered selling the Elite. But I do use the SACD and DVD-A, and would not have that capability without it, so I am keeping it for now, and still use it for SD DVD playback.

thesirjay

12-15-06, 03:43 PM

but i usually use the player unless the addon is already fired up from a gaming session and it is just a kiddie movie ;) i may move the 360 setup into the den with the new pio plasma...see if the wife throws a fit :)

I have to ask have they fixed the burn-in issue with plasmas? If not that seems a scary move to make as you mention you do play games (which are renown for having status gauges etc that never change).

brt3

12-15-06, 03:46 PM

i thought you already had an upscaling solution and were just looking to "upgrade" ... i agree that you still need a good upscaling solution, i just am not willing to shell out the coin for the 5910...the 3910 (and the Tosh now) suit me just fine.
I was near the top of the list for the Algolith combo, but got really mad after being promised delivery "next month" for the better part of a year...

Speaking of the 3910, Costco.com is selling them at what looks like a pretty good price, given their liberal return policy...

BenDover

12-15-06, 03:55 PM

I have to ask have they fixed the burn-in issue with plasmas? If not that seems a scary move to make as you mention you do play games (which are renown for having status gauges etc that never change).

that does concern me but i thought that burn-in wasn't really an issue any longer in this day and age?

i seriously doubt that my wife would want the console up in the den anyhow as it is right off the kitchen and dining rooms so she wouldn't appreciate the "noise" ...

if anything it would only be moved up there on occasion...but i have to say, my son is totally against it! he loves gaming on a 70in screen :D boy is this kid's wife going to have a tough time with him :eek:

Penton-Man

12-15-06, 06:59 PM

You guys that have PS3's hooked up to your 006's ........................
be aware that the newest firmware upgrade for the PS3 allows one to choose between RGB and YCbCr as video outputs to the 006.

I think it would be wise to examine both choices with some viewing and see what looks best .....or if they look the same with little or no difference.

divedude

12-16-06, 01:04 AM

Just a heads-up for you BD types, try Kung Fu Hustle, it looks gorgeous on the 006 and really sounds fantastic. I went for the Cantonese LPCM soundtrack with English subtitles. May be the best I have seen on BD. And it's damn funny too :D

BenDover

12-17-06, 12:41 AM

my wife, and a few other family members and friends, have told me they think the picture on the fhd1 is better than the q :eek: i'm fairly certain they are primarily saying this because of the richer/deeper blacks and secondarily because of the differences in size...it's all good either way, visitors now have a choice :D

on another note, this yamaha receiver is awesome...i connected a wireless bridge to the network connector and have been streaming media files from the pc's in the house and discovered internet radio! also very happy with the sound coming out of the yamaha ysp-1100. all in all, the new toys are being well received...not so much the credit card statement ;)

MotorMouth777

12-17-06, 01:16 AM

While I am waiting for my PS3 to ship to me next week I bought the HD-DVD player for the Xbox 360 for a measly $200. I was quite suprised that it looks and sounds pretty darned good. When the PS3 gets here the competing formats can just duke it out. I will have both bases coverd.

Now if they would just get to work pressing disks...............

camchow

12-17-06, 09:25 AM

BenDover

12-17-06, 09:29 AM

questions about the 1080i and 1080p
as far as I know the Q006 only accept 1080i through the hdmi input,so if I get the sony blue ray player and output 1080p to the Q,what would the Q going to show
wound that be 1080i or 1080 p
for those of you has the sony blue ray player,how the pic look in 1080 i or p
and how the sd dvd disc look with blue ray player

you seem a bit mixed up here; the q will ONLY accept a 1080i signal but DISPLAYS it as 1080p.

so to answer your question, if you fed it 1080p it wouldn't show anything. you need to feed it 1080i...the q will then properly recreate the 1080p signal.

as for your last question, those that own the sony player will be able to tell you how it looks being fed 1080i, but not 1080p :)

hope that helped.

camchow

12-17-06, 10:42 AM

thank you !

RandyL999@aol.co

12-17-06, 01:32 PM

Arriving in the next two weeks...

my first Q
Tivo Series 3 HD
PS3
HTPS7000

these will get integrated into the existing HT setup. Can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!! Especially for the BCS championship game (Go Gators!).

MANY MANY thanks to the regulars on this forum for your information, help, suggestions, etc. that made it easy to decide to pull the plug.

Everything will be great except the Amex bill...

Randy
Clearwater, FL

Penton-Man

12-17-06, 01:49 PM

Everything will be great except the Amex bill...

Randy
Clearwater, FL
Congrats on joining the club. :D

http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/mediaplayer.asp?ean=096741043925&z=y&track=2&disc=1

To those O.C. Qualians that just can never tear themselves away from their Q and get out………….
Click on the audio clip to listen to what you missed recently at the Segerstrom Concert Hall :p
http://www.ocpac.org/onstage/Event.asp?EventID=653

denverguy

12-17-06, 07:25 PM

i HAVE CHANCE TO BUY 006 DISPLAY UNIT FOR 7995.00....BEEN IN STORE 1 YR .

ANY OPINIONS? HELP EMAIL IF YOU CAN HELP WITH DECISION

denverguy

12-17-06, 07:28 PM

I Am New To This Board...i Purchased The Hd65' Sony First 'qualia' Type Large Hd. It Has Blue Tube Bad That Cannot Be Replaced ...no Stock.....but The Qualia 006 Looks Great...display Set At $7995.00...deal Or No Deal??

RandyL999@aol.co

12-17-06, 09:24 PM

I just bought mine last week at Sound Advice (division of Tweeter) for $6995. Floor model for 5 months, new bulb, full warranty. No stand. YMMV

Randy

BenDover

12-18-06, 01:49 PM

KTamez

12-18-06, 07:42 PM

divedude

12-18-06, 07:58 PM

Took these today while running out to grab my lunch...hope mini enjoys...i should try to capture the "king kong" scene on video...it gave me a good laugh this morning as it goes from ferocious beast to cowering wimp :)

BenDover,

Mini Dive got the entire family out to look at the pictures you sent of his cousins. They say thanks for thinking of them ;)

divedude

12-18-06, 08:08 PM

$6500 including stand w/ 1 month old lamp. :D

Just gotta figure out how to pick it up. Its 3 hours away, No box available so it can't be shipped. Weather sucks, so its either rent a UHaul trailer, or an Econoline Van. Any recommendations on moving the Q besides bring 3 big guys ;)

KTamez,

Check out page 30 of the owners manual, it specifies using 4 guys. This is the manual found on brt3's website:

http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wa/Manual.pdf.pdf-zip.zip?a=downloadFile&user=raythompson&path=/Pictures/Qualia006/PDFinfo/Manual.pdf

KTamez

12-18-06, 08:12 PM

Thanx for the concern. I figure the 3 guys plus myself will be sufficient. :)

Penton-Man

12-18-06, 08:23 PM

Thanx for the concern. I figure the 3 guys plus myself will be sufficient. :)
In that case, I suggest hiring miniDive as supervisor as he has prior experience with dem humans. :D

brt3

12-18-06, 08:24 PM

Just gotta figure out how to pick it up. Its 3 hours away, No box available so it can't be shipped. Weather sucks, so its either rent a UHaul trailer, or an Econoline Van. Any recommendations on moving the Q besides bring 3 big guys ;)
DiveDude is right; you need 4 guys to move this properly unless it's a simple straight shot.

I don't know how crazy you want to get with this, but you might want to have a well-regarded piano mover give you a quote. I have to move our Qualia downstairs at some point during January, and that's probably who will do it for me. This set may not look like it, but it's a beast to move without damage!

I would avoid an Econoline based on ride alone; these are usually stiffly sprung. You could always preload it with about 10-15 bags of Redi-Crete. :D

I'd look at a U-Haul trailer, or find the smallest possible truck with a liftgate. Since I'm a fanatic (and my medication really hasn't kicked in) I'd actually do what I suggested with adding weight to smooth out the ride. Since what distinguishes the Qualia from all other sets are it's optics, you don't want to have it bouncing around on a 3 hour tour...

Just my thoughts; as always, your mileage may vary...

KTamez

12-18-06, 09:00 PM

Well the rear door on a van isn't quite tall enough so thats a no go. (Thanx FordVehicles.com) Time is tough to come by for me, so I'm going to call some piano movers tomorrow and ask for some quotes (Thanx for the idea BRT!). Its a 200mile trip one way... We'll see where we end up.

The Trailer will be a PITA given the store is smack dab in the middle of downtown with no decent parking. Going to end up having to double park in front of their store as they don't have a good loading area.....

Kurtis

divedude

12-18-06, 09:17 PM

Kurtis,

If you look in the manual, it will show how the 006 should be carried (where to hold on to it). Here is a picture of it actually being done by pros:

divedude

12-18-06, 09:24 PM

brt3,

Here is a picture of Mini Dive delivering one all by himself. He is very strong :D

denverguy

12-18-06, 10:12 PM

how is the 006 from display floor satisfied with performance?

BenDover

12-19-06, 06:56 AM

two guys delivered mine; they got very luck though and only had to carry it about 15-20ft and put it down on a dolly...then it rolled into my basement media room...finally, the two lifted it onto the stand.

i know the manual suggests four peopl, but practically, when moving furniture, etc., it is sometimes counterproductive to have too many hands as there are really only a couple of spots usually where the weight can be lifted...i suppose the other two might be good to keep it from tipping :eek:

of course, if you have the manpower, then by all means find a way to put it to use...jmo

denverguy

12-19-06, 06:23 PM

After this board answered my query about display models and their prices etc , I was able to leverage down a 7 month display unit down to $6988..and a free bulb if needed within 1 year...full warranty as new...$50 for delivery.

Thanks you guys saved me over $1000..

They have one left.

RandyL999@aol.co

12-19-06, 07:12 PM

Hey DenverGuy....

Do they have any of the Qualia stands left (SUSX10 model)?

Randy

KTamez

12-19-06, 07:22 PM

Randy, I'm not going to be using the Qualia stand in my purchase but they're basically just making me buy it as a package deal, since they don't feel they have a use for it anymore... Would have rather paid less for just the Q, but I can't pass up the smoking deal they made me.

If you're interested let me know. KTamez1320@hotmail.com

Kurtis

RandyL999@aol.co

12-19-06, 07:32 PM

Do any of you that are using the Qualia SUSX10 stand have any problems with not being able to easily move it for access behind your television?

I would have thought some casters might have made things easier (maybe it has 'em and I'm just not aware...).

Thanks for any help you can give!

Randy

BenDover

12-19-06, 07:40 PM

RandyL999@aol.co

12-19-06, 07:47 PM

divedude

12-19-06, 08:07 PM

Can you tell me how tall the opening is? Again, my thanks in advance!

11 1/2"

RandyL999@aol.co

12-19-06, 08:15 PM

thanks... you guys on this forum are really great, helping out us newbies to the Q world. I needed about 15" to get the ML center channel in and have room to tip it up. I know you all are hard core videophiles, but I want the sound to be right too! My ears are probably smarter than my eyes, so the tips and help here at AVS has been really appreciated.

I guess I'll have to wait until my cabinet guy can make me a stand to hold the Q to take delivery and set it all up.

Damn the waiting... I wanna see my new toy!

:-)

Randy

divedude

12-19-06, 08:32 PM

Randy,

You might want to think about mounting the center above. The Sony stand puts the 006 at the optimal viewing height. A few inches higher wouldn't hurt, and I am sure some of the guys that have other stands can weigh in on this. When we started getting the 006's, there was a lot of discussion on TV height and I think a few mounted the center above. I know you are excited :)

denverguy

12-20-06, 07:59 AM

Randy,

They have another set , no stand. Sorry

RonB63

12-20-06, 11:53 AM

Got an e-mail from itrackr late last night that the 60gig PS3 was in stock at a local Target. Swung by at 9 am and there were 2 units sitting in the case. They would not let me buy the other (for friends that are also looking).

Only problem now is the wife already finished all x-mas shopping so I will have to wait until my son's birthday in Feb. to gift it. I don't want him to see daddy getting the new console. He will make due with his xbox for now.

Lovin' the Q...

BenDover

12-20-06, 11:57 AM

divedude

12-20-06, 12:25 PM

Only problem now is the wife already finished all x-mas shopping so I will have to wait until my son's birthday in Feb. to gift it. I don't want him to see daddy getting the new console. He will make due with his xbox for now.

Lovin' the Q...

Maybe Santa Clause can bring it :D :D

RonB63

12-20-06, 07:17 PM

I didn't even tell the wife yet I bought it. ;)
It is now hidden on the top shelf of the walk-in closet. She won't even notice as it is up so high (7+ feet).
This is tough for me too. I bought 3 games that I would love to play. If Santa brings it I would be going to bed around 2:00am. :eek:

BenDover

12-20-06, 07:26 PM

brt3

12-20-06, 07:28 PM

what's one more gift under the tree; you can claim that you had nothing to do with it :D
Do what I do -- blame it on the dog...

Penton-Man

12-20-06, 10:17 PM

Do what I do -- blame it on the dog...
Be careful with that !

Some dogs can talk or learn how to do so over time. :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4GPotQ8gZM

I'm disappearing for a few days for bidness.

RonB63

12-21-06, 12:18 AM

Do what I do -- blame it on the dog...

Since we are poochless I would have to blame the ratty black mutt next door. That SOB looks like the kind that would try to sneak a Blu-ray type of device under someone's tree.

If the wife goes for that then she will certainly understand the dedicated Blu-ray player left near our back door by the pesky canine for a happy St. Patty's Day! :cool:

divedude

12-22-06, 10:38 AM

I am still trying to figure out why my Pio Elite 72 will not pass picture on to the 006 via HDMI from the A2. Does the 006 version of HDMI (1.1 I believe) support HDCP?

BenDover

12-22-06, 10:47 AM

I am still trying to figure out why my Pio Elite 72 will not pass picture on to the 006 via HDMI from the A2. Does the 006 version of HDMI (1.1 I believe) support HDCP?

yes, of course it does dd...otherwise you wouldn't be getting cable, satellite, or your bd playback :) also, didn't you post that it works when connected directly to the Q? without hdcp on the Q's inputs you wouldn't get a picture that way either.

not sure what the issue is in your case...puzzling; maybe return and get a new unit...could be a dud/lemon...more likely something about the chain (a2 -> Pio avr -> Q).

do you have any hdmi/dvi switcher you an maybe throw in the chain to see if that clears things up? not familiar with your pio avr but maybe there are some settings regarding the hdmi connection/output that need to be tweaked for the a2 but seem to be ok for your panny.

divedude

12-22-06, 10:58 AM

jp2

12-22-06, 11:52 AM

I am still having similar issues with my q and a ps3. it may be that some sets are not handling the handshake properly. I have 2 devices that don't work via hdmi, the ps3 and a jvc d-theater tape deck. I also have 2 devices that do work, a htpc with dvi-hdmi, and a dish vip622 dvr. I have verified that the ps3 and hdmi cable have no issues by bringing them to a sonystyle store and connecting them to a similar sony tv (it accepts only 1080i but upscales to 1080p). I had some service people over to try and trouble-shoot but no luck yet. they can supposedly upgrade the sw via a memory stick and if that doesn't work they can replace some of the boards that are related to the hdmi ports. there may be some chipset on these boards that doesn't work properly. I'll keep everyone updated on the outcome.
brgds,
jp

divedude

12-22-06, 12:18 PM

jp2,

Thanks for the info. My A2 works fine plugged directly into the 006, but not feed thru the Pio. My Panny BD10 works fine fed thru the Pio. Go figure. I'm going to buy a new Pio 84 and see if it works.

KTamez

12-22-06, 12:37 PM

BenDover

12-22-06, 01:17 PM

Thanks Ben,

I'm grasping at straws. I was reading the specs on a receiver I am thinking of getting and it said it would not pass the picture if both the player and the TV did not support HDCP. I have been thinking about geting a switcher to hold me over until the new receivers come out. Any suggestions on a switcher? I don't want to keep pluging and unpluging.

It is funny in that some folks with the same receiver I have are passing the video to their TV. I checked and have earlier firmware on my Pio, so that may play into the problem.

i own three different brands at the present time, a zektor, a monoprice and a gefen.

the gefen isn't in my Q setup.

both the zektor and the monoprice are; i love the zektor for my setup b/c it is rack mountable and works flawlessly; the monoprice is a bit more finicky and doesn't respond well to my harmony remote unless i point the remote directly at it.

so while both the zektor and the monoprice work fine as switchers, i prefer the zektor for its form factor, functionality and remote ir response.

zektor has a new product which is an hdmi switcher but uses dvi ports on the unit itself requiring either hdmi-dvi cables or a cable adapter...they have a new model coming out very soon that simply puts hdmi connectors on...

BenDover

12-22-06, 01:20 PM

dive,

My Pio 84 has worked good thus far from PS3 and Dish 622 to a Sony Plasma (Q has arrived and will be unloading it this afternoon!). I'm planning on going direct to monitor with all of my components, but I'll hook it up real quick through the 84 for you if you want. Don't have an A2, but it may help for some reference.

Kurtis

i go direct now but only b/c my avr doesn't have hdmi...how do you plan on getting audio? analog interconnects?

i would love to go hdmi but i am not ready to replace my yamaha rx-z9

KTamez

12-22-06, 02:15 PM

Digital Toslink. I have 4 devices in my cabinet.

PS3- HDMI Video/Toslink Audio
Dish 622- HDMI Video/Toslink Audio
XBOX 360- Component Video/ Toslink Audio
Escient DVD -Component Video/Toslink Audio

Going through the AVR messes with the video quality pretty severely. At least it has with Sony Plasma..... I shouldn't have bought the Pio 84, sand gotten a nice Pre/Pro, since I am using seperate amps anyways also.......

Kurtis

BenDover

12-22-06, 02:17 PM

Digital Toslink. I have 4 devices in my cabinet.

PS3- HDMI Video/Toslink Audio
Dish 622- HDMI Video/Toslink Audio
XBOX 360- Component Video/ Toslink Audio
Escient DVD -Component Video/Toslink Audio

Going through the AVR messes with the video quality pretty severely. At least it has with Sony Plasma.....

Kurtis

but then you lose the lossless pcm that some, or maybe i should say many, bd titles have...

divedude

12-22-06, 03:41 PM

Guys,

Just got back with the Pio 84 and I might say I got a very good Christmas Deal. So I will be spending the afternoon swaping it in.

I plan to run the Panny BD10 directly into the 006 and feed the receiver with 8 analog inputs. That is what I have been doing and I love the analog sound. I am going to feed both the A2 and HD Tivo into the Pio with HDMI.

divedude

12-22-06, 03:43 PM

dive,

My Pio 84 has worked good thus far from PS3 and Dish 622 to a Sony Plasma (Q has arrived and will be unloading it this afternoon!). I'm planning on going direct to monitor with all of my components, but I'll hook it up real quick through the 84 for you if you want. Don't have an A2, but it may help for some reference.

Kurtis

Kurtis,

Thanks for the offer, but I just brought the 84 home. Enjoy your 006 and have fun connecting everything and playing with it :D

KTamez

12-22-06, 03:46 PM

In my TV room I have lived for years without surround sound of any kind. Just stereo out of tow large floorstanders. I have gone ahead to bite the bullet to make the room a dedicated theater/gaming room with Klipsch THX Ultra Speaker/Sub system being purchased at the same time as I got the Q, but if its not the absolute best audio format it won't break my heart. My biggest concern is getting the best possible video quality from my sources.... Nothing is written in stone yet, but I would hate to give up some video quality for sake of the sound.

Any thoughts?

Kurtis

divedude

12-22-06, 03:47 PM

but then you lose the lossless pcm that some, or maybe i should say many, bd titles have...

BD,

I am hoping for a firmware update for the Pio in the near future for the LFE issue. My Panny will be fine since I am using analog. For the A2, I will hook up both HDMI and toslink and go with which ever sound best until the firmware is updated on the Pio.

Now I just have to hope the new receiver passes the A2 HDMI, if not I will look into the switches you suggested. Thanks :)

KTamez

12-22-06, 03:50 PM

Ben, I have a Yammy 1600 I am no longer using that has HDMI if it suits your purpose that I'd sell pretty cheap.....

Kurtis

divedude

12-22-06, 03:51 PM

divedude

12-22-06, 04:02 PM

This is the best thread in AVS. Everyone is so helpful and friendly. Thanks jb007 for starting it ;)

Penton-Man

12-22-06, 05:59 PM

Well, you have started at the top for video quality :D One thing I can suggest for audio is speaker placement is important.
I agree with the divedude, as above.
Also since, for some reason “pigs” have been on my mind all day……..
(did anyone know that one of the world’s sexiest men recently suffered the loss of his beloved pot-bellied pig :( )…….anyway…………

Budget for whatever you can in regards to audio and keep in mind that umr can (to a degree) often make silk purses out of sows' ears pretty much no matter what audio components you end up getting so I would actually recommend his audio calibration OVER his video calibration but, I think that by the time you’re ready to/if hire him, he will only be taking clients that want both done………..or so he claimed on some thread a couple weeks or so back.

Penton-Man

12-22-06, 06:01 PM

The dedicated movie remote is now selling at your local GameStop store for a whopping....................... $25 !

RonB63

12-22-06, 06:22 PM

I have gone ahead to bite the bullet to make the room a dedicated theater/gaming room with Klipsch THX Ultra Speaker/Sub system being purchased at the same time as I got the Q
Kurtis

Kurtis - I too have the Klipsch Ultra2 7.2 setup and the sound is great with the Q.
You will love it. I do agree also that placement is very important and consider having umr calibrate both as I did. Well worth it! The audio was tough in my room until Jeff showed up and made it sound sweet.

Ron

Rob Tomlin

12-22-06, 06:49 PM

Also since, for some reason “pigs” have been on my mind all day……..
(did anyone know that one of the world’s sexiest men recently suffered the loss of his beloved pot-bellied pig :( )…….anyway…………

Yes, and he took this very, very hard. Having had to put our beloved dog of 12 years down a few weeks ago, I can certainly relate to his pain. :(

thesirjay

12-22-06, 07:12 PM

The dedicated movie remote is now selling at your local GameStop store for a whopping....................... $25 !

Woot! Thanks PM it will be nice to not get annoying messages about low battery on the controller in mid-movie.

Quick HDMI quiz.... An HDMI receiver sounds nice (free switch to deal with my more than 3 hdmi's) but does any of the current 1.1 or 1.2's support the uncompressed audio option? Or do we need to wait for 1.3 to get those kind of options? What does 1.2 gain you?

Lastly I just wanted to verify that there is no difference in the HDMI cable correct? I have seen some cables claiming to be 1.3 compliant but I am hoping that isn't implying that there is such a thing as a non 1.3 compliant hdmi cable.

KTamez

12-22-06, 08:05 PM

Kurtis - I too have the Klipsch Ultra2 7.2 setup and the sound is great with the Q.
You will love it. I do agree also that placement is very important and consider having umr calibrate both as I did. Well worth it! The audio was tough in my room until Jeff showed up and made it sound sweet.

Ron

UMR isn't coming anywhere near me in the foreseeable future. so once everything is close to up and running I'm going to be needing a reliable alternative in the Northwest.... Looked around on ISF and THX sites but haven't seen much with a glowing reputation that I've seen like UMR has here.....

For the meantime though the old AVIA disc and the Radio Shack SPL meter will have to suffice (Mother In Law is being good to me for Christmas, or so I hear :) )..

Kurtis

Penton-Man

12-22-06, 08:29 PM

KTamez -
Some people simply tweak based upon findings on page 1 and also common audio discs (AVIA) and the combination is such a WOW effect for initial purchasers that it lasts them quite a long time.......a year ?

Then when they want to "upgrade" they put out the extra bucks for a video/audio calibration with umr and viola........its like WOW all over again just for several hundred rather than several thousands dollars.

In some cases, it's better not to rush to get it done. :)

KTamez

12-22-06, 08:43 PM

For the next few months it will be pretty much business as usual with just the new TV, New Amps, and will slowly get the Surround Sound Wired in and installed, along with constructing Component rack(s), platform for theater seats, blah blah blah.... :)

The wife thinks its fun for now. She's gonna hate me before its done......

divedude

12-22-06, 09:06 PM

Quick HDMI quiz.... An HDMI receiver sounds nice (free switch to deal with my more than 3 hdmi's) but does any of the current 1.1 or 1.2's support the uncompressed audio option? Or do we need to wait for 1.3 to get those kind of options? What does 1.2 gain you?

Lastly I just wanted to verify that there is no difference in the HDMI cable correct? I have seen some cables claiming to be 1.3 compliant but I am hoping that isn't implying that there is such a thing as a non 1.3 compliant hdmi cable.

thesirjay,

None of current receivers decode the HD audio and LPCM, but the players do and pass it on thru the HDMI to the receivers. From what I have been reading the 1.3 receivers will be able to decode, but you don't need that if your player does. That is why I went ahead and purchased the Pio 84 with HDMI 1.2. Check out this link:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=771110

As for the cables, they will work for any of the HDMI versions. I have read that on various links, but don't remember where.

BenDover

12-22-06, 09:07 PM

Woot! Thanks PM it will be nice to not get annoying messages about low battery on the controller in mid-movie.

Quick HDMI quiz.... An HDMI receiver sounds nice (free switch to deal with my more than 3 hdmi's) but does any of the current 1.1 or 1.2's support the uncompressed audio option? Or do we need to wait for 1.3 to get those kind of options? What does 1.2 gain you?

Lastly I just wanted to verify that there is no difference in the HDMI cable correct? I have seen some cables claiming to be 1.3 compliant but I am hoping that isn't implying that there is such a thing as a non 1.3 compliant hdmi cable.

1.3 is for passing the raw, ie, compressed, bitstream for decoding outboard by a pre/pro or avr ... but there aren't any outboard devices yet that 1) have 1.3 hdmi, and 2) that can decode the new advanced audio codecs.

to pass the "uncompressed" lossless, ie, the player will do the decoding and pass the pcm over the hdmi, 1.1 and 1.2 are fine.

BenDover

12-22-06, 09:11 PM

thesirjay,

None of current receivers decode the HD audio and LPCM, but the players do and pass it on thru the HDMI to the receivers. From what I have been reading the 1.3 receivers will be able to decode, but you don't need that if your player does. That is why I went ahead and purchased the Pio 84 with HDMI 1.2. Check out this link:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=771110

As for the cables, they will work for any of the HDMI versions. I have read that on various links, but don't remember where.

in agreement with what i posted simultaneously :)

one correction, lpcm is already uncompressed digital audio data...current receivers WILL/CAN "demodulate" the LPCM to produce the audio.

divedude

12-22-06, 09:41 PM

My HDMI problem from the A2 thru the Pio Elite 72 to the 006 is officially fixed . . . the Pio Elite 84 is in the mix and doing the job its older brother couldn't :D

I thought the Panny Blu-ray player was expensive, but it was cheaper that what it cost to get the A2 HD DVD to work (player + new receiver) :eek: What the heck, anything for great TV ;)

PS. Mini Dive pulled out his credit card and got if for a Christmas present to me. I think he got it so we could watch Riddick tonight.

divedude

12-22-06, 09:47 PM

in agreement with what i posted simultaneously :)

one correction, lpcm is already uncompressed digital audio data...current receivers WILL/CAN "demodulate" the LPCM to produce the audio.

BD,

What you said is what I was trying to say. :)

I'm thinking it is better to go with the player doing the decoding, because it is easier to get them updated with firmware and new codes (CD or Internet connection).

mpsan

12-23-06, 12:02 AM

I mounted a big, heavy, B&W above the Q. There is a pic on this forum somewhere. I can search for it.

Randy,

You might want to think about mounting the center above. The Sony stand puts the 006 at the optimal viewing height. A few inches higher wouldn't hurt, and I am sure some of the guys that have other stands can weigh in on this. When we started getting the 006's, there was a lot of discussion on TV height and I think a few mounted the center above. I know you are excited :)

thesirjay

12-23-06, 12:53 AM

BenDover

12-23-06, 09:36 AM

Zechman

12-23-06, 12:45 PM

Thanks for all the info - I just wanted to verify I can get the current "next gen" audio out of my players with most any hdmi compatible receiver as long as the player itself has a decoder (which I am hoping the A1 HD-DVD and the PS3 do???) And this should be superior to the 5.1 out option?

Yes, exactly as you describe--and HDMI 1.1 is enough to do it, and both the HD-A1 and the PS3 do in-player decoding. Although from what I've read, in practice, the older HDMI equipment tends to have more compatibility issues.

On the HD-DVD side, there's probably going to be precious few titles that actually allow you to pass the bitstream rather than decode it in the player. When a title doesn't require in-player decoding, it can't include menu sounds or in-movie experience stuff--and I think literally all of them use menu sounds right now.

Blu-Ray is pretty much the same way, although there are a number of titles that don't require it.

So IMHO there's no compelling reason to wait for a 1.3 receiver unless or until you can mate up a receiver and TV which both support the "A/V Sync" feature.

As for your other questions: Yes, 1.1 is enough to support (uncompressed) multi-channel PCM audio and No, there is no difference in HDMI cables. In the 1.3 spec there is a new design for a physically smaller connector (for camcorders and other small devices), but the existing standard connectors and cables are okay for the forseeable future.

And how much they should cost is more of a religious than scientific debate.... :D

--Dwayne

P.S. "When what to my wandering eyes should appear, but two PS3 games and controller are here." Thanks, Santa Claus!

thesirjay

12-23-06, 02:14 PM

Lol Zechman - I hope you are enjoying your ps3. I know I will be enjoying mine a good bit more when I finally get a remote :). Thanks as always man for the great rundown of technology. Sadly I don't have the time to keep up with all of the various threads but I have a huge group of Qualian go-to guys who make my tech life much more livable.

Viva La Qualia - Viva La Qualians - Long Live the Bulbs!

Best Wishes to all of you - Enjoy the Holidays and make sure to look away from the Qualia for at least a bit :).

mpsan

12-23-06, 05:55 PM

Randyl999...
OK, post 6694 has the Picture of the stand and Speaker above. This should be a link to it

Stand Link (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=40261)

mpsan

12-23-06, 06:01 PM

Well, it is almost time for us to watch our own 24 season 5 marathon...got the 6 dvd's. The 7th is not on Netflix anymore. I am thinking that Tuesday may be a great time to get a new lamp on order!!

Happy Holidays all, and I hope the Denver snow melts in time for us to fly there January 16th for a wedding!

brt3

12-23-06, 09:42 PM

Also since, for some reason “pigs” have been on my mind all day... (did anyone know that one of the world’s sexiest men recently suffered the loss of his beloved pot-bellied pig :( )…
Geez, P-M -- you had me absolutely terrified there for a minute! I just checked out back and -- thank God! -- Little Porky is just peachy. Guess it's possible you were referring to someone else...

brt3

12-23-06, 09:50 PM

This is a fairly old link, but this guy's Christmas lights indicate he may be worthy of Honorary Qualian status.

Or else it's Zechman's pad...

:D

Merry Christmahanakwanzaka to all!

Light 'em up! (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/07/xmaslights.html)

thesirjay

12-23-06, 10:24 PM

Great Lights - Wife enjoyed them a lot but her first words were of course "No you can't have them" :).

brt3

12-23-06, 10:28 PM

...for some reason “pigs” have been on my mind all day…
(did anyone know that one of the world’s sexiest men recently suffered the loss of his beloved pot-bellied pig :( )…
umr can (to a degree) often make silk purses out of sows' ears...
:eek:

Penton-Man

12-24-06, 12:55 PM

Geez, P-M -- you had me absolutely terrified there for a minute! I just checked out back and -- thank God! -- Little Porky is just peachy. Guess it's possible you were referring to someone else...
Lol, :D
Geez Ray sorry. I didn’t know that you own a pig! :) I must have given you a few grey hairs over that comment!

O.K. – to make a long story short because it’s pig crap under the bridge…..so to speak. Several months ago a certain Microsoft V.P., in his infinite wisdom, referred to some Blu-ray friendly Hollywood studios as “pigs.” I copied and pasted the link to some high-level studio folk that I thought would be interested in this non-flattering characterization on a public internet forum.

Needless to say, they were all insulted (actually, initially all thought that it was some joke and that someone on the internet was fictitiously imitating said V.P.) – until I assured them that in fact he/it was the real deal.

Anyway, I aint talking no more about it because it’s old news and I don’t want to beat a dead pig into the ground.

Here’s a Merry Christmas to all Qualians and all Qualian watchers. :)
I’m interested in who was naughty and nice over the past year which should be reflected in the opening of gifts tomorrow.

Is Ron really going to hold back on opening that PS3 ?
Are some of you guys going to pop a new lamp into your 006’s this coming week ?
Did BenDover get anything else new to attach to or compete with his 006 ?
Did miniDive propose to his girlfriend ?

New Year’s Resolutions ?
For one, I’ve decided that I will not ride in that bike race on Jan.13 (because of last year :eek: ).

Again, Merry Christmas to all and a Happy Heathy New Year !

Ted99

12-24-06, 01:03 PM

WOW! Thanks for the fast reply... one LAST question... I would need to put a Martin Logan Theater center channel speaker in the opening of the Qualia stand. I can't find a spec sheet ANYWHERE for dimensions.

Can you tell me how tall the opening is? Again, my thanks in advance!

Randy
I mounted my M-L Theatre center speaker above the Q006. I made a shelf, sort of like a bookcase, that has two side supports and a horizontal connector across the top. The side supports are sized to fit just behind the "picture frame" lip around the front of the Q 006, and the top fits just behind the top lip. The shelf is 12 inches wide. I painted it flat black, and it is invisible from the front. The bottom is screwed into the top of the Sony stand, for stability. There is just a thin piece of plastic over the top of the stand, with particle board as the core, so it was easy to drill pilot holes for the screws. The M-L Theatre stand screws to the horizontal piece across the top, and the speaker front is just at the front edge of the TV, aimed slightly downward. Sounds great. I screwed a 36w 6500K flourescent fixture at the back of the top shelf, and it is an excellent bias light. Both the bulb and single tube fixture came from Home Depot. I made my shelf from an extra 3 foot wide solid-core door I had on hand. Just ripped it lengthways in three 12 inch pieces, and had a very stiff side and top shelf 1 1/2 inches thick.

Sorry, no pictures

divedude

12-24-06, 01:12 PM

I finally got Mini Dive to quit playing with his balls (hee hee, ornaments that is) long enough to wish all Qualians and friends of Qualians a

VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS ! ! !

schaffer970

12-24-06, 01:16 PM

Just a note to those of you who may be opening your PS3s tomorrow morning. You don't have to update the firmware to use your PS3. Yesterday, PSN (PlayStation Network) was brought to it's knees when Sony put up a free game for download (Gran Turismo HD Concept). It will be interesting to see how things hold up tomorrow when everyone connects trying to update firmware, create accounts, and do downloads from the site.

Good Luck & Merry Christmas! :)

dave-320c

12-24-06, 01:42 PM

MPSAN - Hi:
Nice stand, speakers, and Qualia.
Just purchased a Qualia, used, and currently have it set up in my third garage until the media room is built (2007). I am looking for a stand, and that one looks great. Can you tell me where you purchased it from?
Just saw Devil wears Prada last night with my wife, who seems to enjoy the Qualia as much as I do. Great picture; just love the Q.
I have been following this forum for sometime; just great. Thanks for all the good info; best wishes for a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Thanks,
Dave

mpsan

12-24-06, 03:15 PM

Hi...yes, it is from Diamond Case and is in your area! I had it shipped to Oregon. Those guys are GREAT and others on here have used them as well! They built the stand and matching shelf! Many finishes to choose from. We had them Match our B&W's! It was very well priced as well!

Diamond Case TT400 (http://www.diamondcase.com/TT/TT_HTML_Files/TT400.HTML)

Let me know if you need any help as they tweaked it for the Q.

Have a good Holiday,

Dave R.

MPSAN - Hi:
Nice stand, speakers, and Qualia.
Just purchased a Qualia, used, and currently have it set up in my third garage until the media room is built (2007). I am looking for a stand, and that one looks great. Can you tell me where you purchased it from?
Just saw Devil wears Prada last night with my wife, who seems to enjoy the Qualia as much as I do. Great picture; just love the Q.
I have been following this forum for sometime; just great. Thanks for all the good info; best wishes for a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Thanks,
Dave

thesirjay

12-24-06, 05:54 PM

Thanks for the heads up on the PS3 - I decided to wrestle my way in and download Gran Turismo HD today (a number of errors but eventually made it in - don't get too frustrated if it fails a bit).

625 MB download fyi..

RonB63

12-24-06, 06:17 PM

Is Ron really going to hold back on opening that PS3 ?

'Fraid so. :(
The good news is that I think I have a few friends (or at least they will be soon!) who will be setting theirs up in the coming days. This doesn't do much to help my 6 year old so I got a few new xbox games to amuse him. I stopped mentioning some time ago that Santa might bring a new game console when I realized that supplies were short. By the time I picked mine up we had already finished our xmas shopping.

I keep telling myself that this is all for the best as there will be many more titles available by the third week in Feb.(son's b-day)

A very merry Christmas and New Year to all!!!!!!!!!

divedude

12-24-06, 06:42 PM

Did miniDive propose to his girlfriend ?

PM,
Of course, anything to get more presents :D:D

BenDover

12-25-06, 12:55 AM

'Fraid so. :(
The good news is that I think I have a few friends (or at least they will be soon!) who will be setting theirs up in the coming days. This doesn't do much to help my 6 year old so I got a few new xbox games to amuse him. I stopped mentioning some time ago that Santa might bring a new game console when I realized that supplies were short. By the time I picked mine up we had already finished our xmas shopping.

I keep telling myself that this is all for the best as there will be many more titles available by the third week in Feb.(son's b-day)

A very merry Christmas and New Year to all!!!!!!!!!

i don't know, if i were you i would bump a few presents that are currently in the christmas morning line-up for your son's birthday and replace them with the ps3 ... :D

pm, no, i haven't gotten anything else...my son's wii will get hooked up tomorrow though, but not to the Q as i don't want any wii-motes shattering the Q (their front is plexiglass, right? maybe it wouldn't be so bad :eek:)

if i could have just gotten some reasonable assurance that the new pio bd player would eventually decode the advanced audio codecs i would have nabbed one today ... lucky for my wallet i suppose ;)

BenDover

12-25-06, 10:42 AM

Merry Christmas to all those who believe :)

brt3, you may be interested in what they say about the Denon 3930, I know I am:

http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/avhardware/2006-electronics-product-awards.php

PM, I'll let you know if I actually pull the trigger on this ;)

Zechman

12-25-06, 12:20 PM

Christmas is many things to many people.

Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ, obviously a Christian thing. But any biblical scholar will agree that December 25th has no connection at all to that event.

Christmas is also Santa Claus, Christmas trees, reindeer, holly, mistletoe, and of course presents. None of these things come from the Christian tradition (the connection between Saint Nicholas and Santa Claus is pretty thin, actually), but they're still pretty deeply ingrained into the American culture. Around the world, the differences are interesting, but the similarities are even more so.*

Christmas is also a federal holiday. That probably doesn't mean much to most people, but where I live, it means the whole world shuts down.

Finally, Christmas not so much a day as a "time of year" that culminates in Christmas Day. Charles Dickens brought us this concept in his most famous book--a time of year for all to be a little kinder, a little more generous, a little more caring.

And I suppose that for some, sadly, Christmas is something to be offended by. They prefer to say "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons Greetings" instead.

So to all of my friends who read this I want to say "Merry Christmas". To my fellow Christians, I say it in the first meaning above. To others, take your pick. I have a hard time understanding how anyone could be offended by the Dickens version of Christmas, but if you are, then I sincerely wish you joy and good health this time of year--and you can call it whatever you like.

May simple kindness never become "offensive".

Merry Christmas, everyone.

--Dwayne

*If you've never been to Epcot (Disney World) in December, I encourage you to go sometime. It's quite magical as well as educational.

jitguy

12-25-06, 01:35 PM

Well done, Dwayne.

Merry Christmas all!

mpsan

12-25-06, 03:28 PM

Yes, well said. I hate this new PC stuff!

So Merry Christmas to all (except Comcast) and Happy Holidays to those looking for a PC message.

Penton-Man

12-25-06, 07:17 PM

Rob Tomlin

12-26-06, 12:02 AM

Well, when Easter arrives, I will expect a dissertation on the symbolism of bunnies and eggs!:D

Nicely done Dwayne. :)

Might I also add, Christmas means..........peace on earth, good will toward men (and women).
So, lest us not forget on this festive day when we’re opening gifts and having fine meals with family and friends.........those that gave the ultimate sacrifice for peace.

Nice post Penton.

http://www.rx8club.com/images/smilies/patriot.gif

Zechman

12-26-06, 08:25 AM

Well, when Easter arrives, I will expect a dissertation on the symbolism of bunnies and eggs!:D

Nicely done Dwayne. :)
Well, I might be hitting post #500 by that time, so who knows?

Might I also add, Christmas means..........peace on earth, good will toward men (and women).
So, lest us not forget on this festive day when we’re opening gifts and having fine meals with family and friends.........those that gave the ultimate sacrifice for peace.
Agreed. May we never forget our American heroes (like Penton-Man Senior).

--Dwayne

P.S. To everyone who enjoyed what I wrote: Thank you.

brt3

12-26-06, 03:38 PM

brt3, you may be interested in what they say about the Denon 3930, I know I am:

http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/avhardware/2006-electronics-product-awards.php
BenDover -- that is very helpful; it's always nice to read a rave review before the pulling the trigger. I think this unit almost eliminates the need for the DVD5910 -- though I'm still considering the Crystallio...

divedude

12-26-06, 05:14 PM

P.S. To everyone who enjoyed what I wrote: Thank you.

I enjoyed it and looking forward to hearing about the Easter eggs and bunnies. Maybe you can tell us which one came first ;)

mpsan

12-26-06, 11:09 PM

Well, I called Qualia for the new lamp. All was good and he said he was sorry that I may have called too late to ship today, but by tomorrow it will be sent overnight! He knew that my Q was not dead.

Nice to see still good service and he said our Q's have better optics and parts than other sets in the line!

SRT-10 Viper

12-27-06, 07:21 AM

Randyl999...
OK, post 6694 has the Picture of the stand and Speaker above. This should be a link to it

Stand Link (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=40261)

Here is a picture of my B&W speaker above the Qualia:

mpsan

12-27-06, 01:52 PM

Here is a picture of my B&W speaker above the Qualia:

Very nice as well. I also have my sub away from the corner now as well.

mpsan

12-27-06, 01:56 PM

divedude

12-27-06, 06:24 PM

Well, I got my new lamp this morning...less than 24 hours after I called.

Just a quick question, however. The bottom of the packing list has a note that if I do not return the bad part in 45 days they will bill me $1. For one thing they do not have any way to do this and for another is this just something on all the packing sheets for the free lamp?

mpsan,

I didn't get a note like that. Did they send a prepaid shipping label? Otherwise it would be cheaper to let them bill you the $1 and not pay for postage :D

I can just see all of us being told the next time we buy a new vehicle or house that our credit score is all screwed up because we owe Sony $1 :eek:

mpsan

12-27-06, 09:15 PM

Well, it was on the packing slip. I do not believe it is correct. I am not worried about the $1...just thought it was strange. Perhaps I can call. I wonder if this is like grade school when the teacher would say that if you talked it was going on your permanent record? :D I wonder how many jobs I lost because of it?

mpsan,

I didn't get a note like that. Did they send a prepaid shipping label? Otherwise it would be cheaper to let them bill you the $1 and not pay for postage :D

I can just see all of us being told the next time we buy a new vehicle or house that our credit score is all screwed up because we owe Sony $1 :eek:

divedude

12-27-06, 09:25 PM

I wonder if this is like grade school when the teacher would say that if you talked it was going on your permanent record? :D I wonder how many jobs I lost because of it?

I remember that one. :rolleyes: I also remember being told if I wasn't quite I would be ostracized and sent to the Principals office where he would use the Electric Paddle on me :eek:

thesirjay

12-28-06, 09:57 AM

thesirjay

12-28-06, 10:52 AM

Just a quick mention for the photographers in this thread (they offer a version for displays as well). It appears someone has made a better lens cleaner. Worth a read if thats something that you would be interested in:

http://www.denguru.com/2006/12/27/finally-an-optical-lens-cleaner-that-really-works/

Happy New Year :)

thestewman

12-28-06, 12:24 PM

brt3

12-28-06, 01:02 PM

They sell Purosol on B&H Photo's website; that alone is a pretty good endorsement...
click HERE (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/shop/3316/Optical_Cleaning_Supplies_Optical_Cleaning_Solutions.html)

mpsan

12-28-06, 02:55 PM

I had the same thing in mine - no clue why it was there as they certainly didn't mention anything about shipping the old bulb back. There wasn't a pre-paid shipping envelope so I just imagined it was some bug in their system.

Yeah, they didn't even ask me how many hours were on mine! He knew mine was still running so they can not expect a failed one any time soon.

lastxbr960

12-28-06, 03:14 PM

I doubt the PIP feature on the 006 will allow 2 high-def sources to be displayed at once. I checked the manual for their 34" current XBR model (KD34xbr960) and it allows one digital and one analog picture, with the digital on the left side only.

My 006 arrives Friday a.m. also.

Yea I was annoyed when I found that out on my xbr960, but I found a workaround, I have a cable card aand dvr cable box, by sending svideo out the box (I also have it on hdmi).
Basically I use input 3 svideo from the cablebox whenever i need PIP, it changes the digital signal to NTSC analog and allows any channels to be cobined for picture PIP.
When I have settled on a channel I like I simply switch to the HDMI input from the box and that's it since the pip screens are small, quality loss is not an issue.
:)

thesirjay

12-28-06, 06:23 PM

For those photographers out there let me know what you think of it. The idea it can be used on displays (perhaps a different formula and hopefully a larger size) may come in handy.

brt3

12-28-06, 06:34 PM

It also sounds as though this may be a good product for cleaning the glass in the lamp housing during Qualia bulb changes...

thesirjay

12-28-06, 06:42 PM

Great thought brt3 - something that actively fights buildup would be a boon.

divedude

12-28-06, 09:34 PM

Finally a media that will deliver the video quality our Qualia's deserve, 3.9TB ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

brt3

12-28-06, 09:45 PM

I like the 3.9 TERABYTE part. Whether there will be any disc formats after HD-DVD/Blu Ray is an interesting discussion; a lot of folks feel these will be the last "hard copy" formats. If FIOS is implemented quickly they may be right, though I will always be somewhat dubious of distributed media when the Hollywood Greed Meisters are involved...

thesirjay

12-29-06, 07:09 PM

Hmm with that type of memory maybe they will create virtual worlds instead of mere 2-d films. Because honestly I can't see a movie (in its current format) really having much use for anywhere near that type of memory.

brt3

12-29-06, 07:12 PM

Well, if you had true 4K High Definition video without compression (on either video or audio), you could get everything you want PLUS extras, etc., on the same disc. If you look at creating interactive content to boot, you start to use up a lot of data fairly quickly.

Or, you could always buy the entire Bond series on a single disc...

divedude

12-29-06, 08:31 PM

Remember when a 20 MB hard drive seemed so big that we would never use all the space. :D

It would be great to put a movie out at film resolution on a single disk and be able to blow it up on a giant screen with no loss. :cool:

thesirjay

12-29-06, 10:34 PM

I remember when it was amazing that you could use a simple punch to double the size of your 5 1/4 floppy (hard drive whats that?) - ah the good ole days of sticking it to the media makers :) now you can get a 1gb memory stick for under 20 bucks.

mpsan

12-29-06, 11:17 PM

...and I still have them. My Apple][+ still works. I even have a CP/M card in it made by some new company called Microsoft. Geee I wonder whatever happened to them?

OH, I wirewrapped a card and I put Memory in it. My Apple has 64K...what the heck will I ever do with that much memory?

Have you ever thought how much it would cost us today for 1GB memory at the Apple days prices? I think $1 a chip (16K) was good and it took 9 chips per 16K. So, I had $36 into my 64K of memory!

I remember when it was amazing that you could use a simple punch to double the size of your 5 1/4 floppy (hard drive whats that?) - ah the good ole days of sticking it to the media makers :) now you can get a 1gb memory stick for under 20 bucks.

jb007

12-30-06, 03:16 AM

Happy Anniversary to me . . .

Happy Anniversary to me . . .

Happy Anniversary jb007 . . .

Happy Anniversary to me! :D

Fellow 006'ers,

It was exactly two years ago on this date that I placed my order for the Qualia 006 with Brian Glenn, then of Qualia, at the Sony Style store in The Forum Shops at Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas, NV.

Many of us will be celebrating our two year anniversary of 006 ownership and viewing in the coming months of (2)007. And I know most -- if not all of us -- are supremely happy with the purchase and continue to enjoy the *viewing experience* watching the 006, which is saying a lot because in consumer electronics, two years is really like 10 years.

Happy New Year everone. May the new year bring you and your families health, joy and continued happiness watching the Q006. :)

Penton-Man

12-30-06, 12:43 PM

Happy Anniversary to me . . .

Happy Anniversary to me . . .

Happy Anniversary jb007 . . .

Happy Anniversary to me! :D

A well-deserved Happy Anniversary to our founder. :)

thesirjay

12-30-06, 01:57 PM

Happy Anniversary - Boy I have known you guys (at least from a lurking viewpoint) for a long long time as I was an avid follower of the Q006 threads before anyone actually had one (oh the 1080P debates). Thanks to all of you for adding that extra bit to my life and helping me to toss down some serious change sight unseen on this magnificent tv. Enjoy your moment jb007 and enjoy the Q! Long live the lamp!

brt3

12-30-06, 03:18 PM

May the lamp be with you...

divedude

12-30-06, 03:59 PM

This is a great day; it is the day that put us on the path to the ultimate in viewing pleasure. Thanks for taking the lead jb007 :)

Mini Dive would like to toast you with a cold one:

brt3

12-31-06, 02:09 AM

In honor of the QEII (Qualia Extravaganza 2)...

Here's to good friends! (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/iMovieTheater17.html)

thesirjay

12-31-06, 03:22 PM

Heh ok you have out olded me there :) the only time I have seen that peacock was in retro footage. Sure looks good on the Q though thanks!

thesirjay

12-31-06, 04:21 PM

It would have been nice if we could have all met aboard the QEII (the boat) for the QEII event :).

BenDover

12-31-06, 06:30 PM

Well, I was in a Walmart in Methuen [sic?], MA just a couple hours ago and they had about 10 PS3s (5 20 and 5 60gb versions) in the display; didn't ask if they had others in the back.

I was very tempted but ultimately exercised restraint. May still get one but if I did it would be at a BB as I have a $500 gift card from BB that I was going to use for a Pio BD player (through their Magnolia portion) but if I can't get some confirmation on advanced audio codec support I will stay clear of it for now...

So, if any fellow Qualia owners live near that Walmart and are still looking for a PS3, they got em :)

Penton-Man

12-31-06, 07:01 PM

but if I can't get some confirmation on advanced audio codec support I will stay clear of it for now...

Well Ben you know that it's already got Dolby True and I believe bfdtv has already confirmed that DTS told him that the firmware upgrade for DTS MA will be forthcoming sometime early next year. So, what's you waiting fer ? :)

BenDover

12-31-06, 07:07 PM

Well Ben you know that it's already got Dolby True and I believe bfdtv has already confirmed that DTS told him that the firmware upgrade for DTS MA will be forthcoming sometime early next year. So, what's you waiting fer ? :)

i really don't want a game console for a player; it would be going in my den with the new Pio which will become the heavy family use set...my wife just won't stand for a game console as the player, even with the remote...i can't blame her as i don't really consider that optimal either...but, it may have to do...either i will cave in and head back to that walmart tomorrow sans the little kiddies (so they don't immediately rat me out :)) or i would get one from BB when i get back home and they have them in stock.

at least then i would feel confident that i could resell it at a reasonable price when the 2d/3d gen bd standalones start hitting shelves...the current panny is looking better but my only holdback is that it doesn't do 24p right off the disc.

the ps3 does the native 24p straight off the disc out, right?

can i ask how the better halves of the folks with the ps3s are handling the "situation"?

Penton-Man

12-31-06, 07:10 PM

This has been a hecka of a day for me folks. I mean every good deed goes punished. Talk about getting caught as an innocent bystander in an AVS forum shootout! :eek:

Anyway, it's nice to see that were all here .............all the regulars from day 1 (except where the heck is Joel from San Diego ????????) and new owners coming onboard to carry the Qualian banner.

Like jb said, I am amazed that with technology marching forward and two years elapsing of time, that we still have arguably the best 70" RPTV out there and we DEFINITELY have the best thread on AVS.

Here's to everyone having a Happy Healthy New Year !
To all Qualians, their loved ones and all Qualian watchers - have a great New Year's Eve and pulllllllllllease refrain from shooting your guns in the air. :eek:

A bullet may come down and land on brt's prized porcinus.

Penton-Man

12-31-06, 07:14 PM

1. the ps3 does the native 24p straight off the disc out, right?

2. can i ask how the better halves of the folks with the ps3s are handling the "situation"?

1. No it doesn't but, could EASILY be done with firmware upgrade if they are inclined to do so. I imagine alot of it will be determined by how many of Sony's LCD displays come out with that feature at upcoming CES.

2. I just told her that it's a Blu-ray DVD player that I like to stand vertically to save room in my component cabinet and she's clueless. :)

thesirjay

12-31-06, 08:44 PM

BenDover

12-31-06, 09:09 PM

1. No it doesn't but, could EASILY be done with firmware upgrade if they are inclined to do so. I imagine alot of it will be determined by how many of Sony's LCD displays come out with that feature at upcoming CES.

2. I just told her that it's a Blu-ray DVD player that I like to stand vertically to save room in my component cabinet and she's clueless. :)

:D

as for the 24p, doesn't the sony standalone do 24p native off the disc? should be a no brainer for the ps3 in that case...hopefully they see it like i do :)

i never really cared much about it but with all the hullaballoo and now i have a display that can accept and display at multiples of 24, i want something to get every last bit of performance ;)

BenDover

12-31-06, 09:11 PM

My wife is used to the video game systems (I have them all). The purchase of a new console has tended to coincide with something very nice happening in our lives so she tends to have a positive perception of them. I haven't managed to run into a remote yet but it will be nice when I do.

heh, i've played that "angle" with my wife before...works great!

now that the kids are getting older though, it is getting tougher...but you can bet that i will be getting a new digital camera and hd camcorder sometime soon to capture the kids' communions and then i guess the next upgrade for camera and camcorder will be around confirmation time as well as sweet 16 :D :D

divedude

12-31-06, 10:21 PM

Happy New Year from Mini Dive and his buddy Jack, me too ! ! !

2006 has been a great year, we now have Blu-ray and HD DVD. I can't wait to see what next year brings :D

divedude

12-31-06, 11:04 PM

can i ask how the better halves of the folks with the ps3s are handling the "situation"?

Ben,

Maybe this will help to convince your wife :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfXGXzV-AgQ

divedude

12-31-06, 11:28 PM

Or maybe this one, or maybe not :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6jxqOZIATw&NR

BenDover

01-01-07, 12:43 PM

Penton-Man

01-01-07, 10:32 PM

Or maybe this one, or maybe not :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6jxqOZIATw&NR
Hmmmmmmmmmm.

I think I'll take the Wii. :D

thesirjay

01-02-07, 02:18 AM

BenDover

01-02-07, 07:36 AM

Um consolations um grats um consolations Bendover? At least you paid sticker which is more than I can say. I didn't go nuts at least and only paid a bit of a premium but lets just say I would be a much happier man had I found them in a store :) especially since the wife would have a bit less ammo on the "I told you so" pile. Happy New Year to all of you - may all of your electronics interoperate!

thanks :) it was inevitable that i would at some point happen across a unit sitting on a shelf and i knew that i couldn't hold back ;) only reason i didn't scoop it the first day i saw it was that i had my kids and my niece and nephew with me; they have all proven in the past to have loose lips :D also, i didn't feel like setting it up at my brother-in-laws house as would have been necssary had the kids known of the purchase...so i went back the next day while "gassing up" the vehicle for the return trip.

oh, i did fail to mention that i also ordered a new Oppo; the new 981 model, successor to the 971.

question, what does the ps3 do with titles that have pcm as the audio track of choice...will it encode it to output over the optical?

i'm torn as to where the final resting place of the ps3 should be, the Q or the P (Q has a non-hdmi receiver which could take analog audio but the ps3 doesn't have multi-channel analog out (PM, is this a possible future breakout cable???); the P, at least for the present time, has an hdmi receiver but only has the Yamaha YSP sound projector which is being fed pass-through s/pdif).

i'm trying to track down a shop that might be able to demo the in-ceiling/wall definitive technology speakers (UIW RCS/RLS II or III) for the final configuration in the den but haven't been successful thus far...they look well designed but in this instance i have to hear them first and won't go on blind-faith...

LL3HD

01-02-07, 09:41 AM

thanks :)
i'm trying to track down a shop that might be able to demo the in-ceiling/wall definitive technology speakers (UIW RCS/RLS II or III) for the final configuration in the den but haven't been successful thus far.Have you tried Audio Breakthrough?

Not sure if they have them for demo but I know they do carry DT.

They’re on Northern Blvd. (25A) in Manhasset, eastbound side, along the “miracle mile” area. They’re a credit card toss from Harvey’s on Glen Cove road. :D

BenDover

01-02-07, 09:50 AM

thanks LL...there are a few shops, a couple you've already mentioned, that are def tech dealers that can order them for me but last i checked no one had them to demo...i realize this may be hard...maybe they'll do an install nearby and the owner will allow them to bring me by for a quick listen.

Zechman

01-02-07, 10:14 AM

can i ask how the better halves of the folks with the ps3s are handling the "situation"?
Mrs. Zechman knows that I get grumpy when I don't have games to play. I try to include her as best I can, but so far only Karaoke Revolution has tickled her fancy.

She actually bought me my XBox . . . and on HER birthday (but that's another story).

--Dwayne

Zechman

01-02-07, 10:16 AM

Happy New Year to all!

and, curses to my fellow Q owners that couldn't keep me away from that Methuen Walmart!!

i have absolutely no self-control!

they didn't have much in the way of movies, in fact they only had xmen iii and devil wears prada so i onl got xiii

picked a few games too...like i really needed to do that!

and, they had the remote so i got that as well...

when i get back to ny i'm cutting up my credit card ;)
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Ben, you're my hero!

...because I only spent about $350 for a PS2, memory card, Guitar Hero 1 & 2, and an extra wireless guitar controller.

At least it was a big hit at the New Years party I went to. :cool:

--Dwayne

Zechman

01-02-07, 10:27 AM

Happy New Year to owners and lurkers alike, you are all dear friends. Little did I know when I pulled the trigger that one of the best benefits would be my membership in this little club--one of the finest groups I've ever had the pleasure of conversing with.

Perhaps 2007 will bring about the "Qualia killer", but it sure didn't happen in the year 006. :cool:

Have a happy and healthy 2007, everyone!

--Dwayne

BenDover

01-02-07, 03:19 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Ben, you're my hero!

...because I only spent about $350 for a PS2, memory card, Guitar Hero 1 & 2, and an extra wireless guitar controller.

At least it was a big hit at the New Years party I went to. :cool:

--Dwayne

when my wife throws me out, do you have a "guest hero room" i can use :)

brt3

01-02-07, 04:02 PM

Happy New YearPerhaps 2007 will bring about the "Qualia killer", but it sure didn't happen in the year 006...
This technology -- properly implemented with top-notch optics -- might be the Next Best Thing...

Laser TV (http://www.coherent.com/flash/Laser%5FTV%5FKRON/)

thestewman

01-02-07, 06:17 PM

SED (http://www.pcworld.com/article/128357-1/article.html?tk=nl_dnxnws) This technology -- properly implemented with top-notch optics -- might be the Next Best Thing...

Laser TV (http://www.coherent.com/flash/Laser%5FTV%5FKRON/)

Maybe Laser TV will beat SED TV (http://www.pcworld.com/article/128357-1/article.html?tk=nl_dnxnws) and the 006 will reign as king of the displays a few more years.

Stew

divedude

01-02-07, 10:32 PM

This technology -- properly implemented with top-notch optics -- might be the Next Best Thing...

Laser TV (http://www.coherent.com/flash/Laser%5FTV%5FKRON/)

I really like the idea that the laser lasts as long as the TV.

brt3

01-02-07, 10:44 PM

Agreed, DD -- not changing bulbs would be nice! However, I wonder about one thing in the video news story I posted. They claim "it will be the same depth as other flat panel displays". That has to mean, "it will be the same depth as other RPTV displays"...

Penton-Man

01-02-07, 11:22 PM

Guys,
I think I just found me an interim display for our hmmmmm…. how shall I say this….
Conservatory ? (Qualia-speak)
Solarium ? (newly refined and cultured person speak)
or
sunroom ?(Joe6pack speak)

Anyway, you get the idea, it’s a big mostly glass room out yonder attached to the back of our house in which you could probably park four Bentley Azures.

The display I’m thinking about may not be as good as the Qualia for critical viewing but has some neat features and will allow us to watch TeeVee in the mostly glass lined room in the early evening while it’s still pretty sunny outside during the summer…………..

Until,

1. I can convince the wife to put some curtains all around so we can eventually go REAL big and get a front projector…………and
2. My better half eventually decides what color/style curtains, with/without blinds, etc. she will choose.

As the above two conditions may take MONTHS :eek: , I’ve got to get a decent TeeVee in that room.
I’m lookin at a 70 incher like the 006 but I can’t say anything more about it (not even the manufacturer) because it hasn’t been officially announced and won’t be until CES, so I don’t want to steal anybody’s thunder.

The 006 room will still remain #1 for critical viewing with its attached sound system for serious listening. :)

Meanwhile all you guys (esp. brt ) are welcome on over and I’ll break out the moonshine, we’ll tell lies and call out the women. :D

P.S.
Bendover….re. the PS3 questions, I rarely talk to those SCEA (Sony Computer) people cause they’re all too smart for me. :o

brt3

01-02-07, 11:45 PM

Man, P-M -- I can't believe you're not going to pop for the 103-inch Panny for your Conserva-Sola-Suna-roomium...

BenDover

01-03-07, 12:29 AM

i quickly connected the ps3 to my qualia setup; setup was fairly quick and painless (i am so famililar with the interface through my psp...it was actually shockingly IDENTICAL to the little tiny psp); the video out was a bit confusing and then i realized that in "auto" it must default to 720p for the ps3 game/menu functions and when playing bd content to 1080i (or at least the native rez of the panel...i'll have to confirm this by moving it up to the pio elite plasma which can accept 1080p).

for sound i was stuck with using the optical out and the movie i had was actually good for this since it has a dts-hd ma track (which means i was simply getting the "core" but it is also a 6.1 discrete es track which was nice)...xmen iii, last stand.

anyone else view this on their Q? i wasn't terribly impressed :(

i was however delighted with the ps3 and all the geek display stats :)

didn't have a chance to register the bluetooth remote but will do that tomorrow morning or late night...if it provides a simple way to playback a bd movie i think my wife can survive :)

i was disappointed in the ps3's sixaxis controller, at least with respect to its size/feel...feels so flimsy and light...also a bit small for my hands...i think the 360's controller is better in that regard.

maybe i'll pop a quick game in tomorrow morning/night too if i have time (games are always dangerous as they represent a time sink-hole for me ;))

oh, i did wirelessly connect to my network and perform the upgrade from 1.1 to 1.32 before doing anything.

btw, did anyone here say that the ps3 was silent? *cough* i certainly don't mind the fan noise, but those posts i've read in other parts claiming total silence must be by deaf posters :)

anyhow, more tomorrow...oh yeah, i have come into the 21st century and setup a netflix account...have KOH, BHD and Fantastic 4 (one for the kiddies!) in the queue...any other suggestions, dd?

jb007

01-03-07, 01:36 AM

thesirjay

01-03-07, 04:40 AM

thesirjay

01-03-07, 04:41 AM

Geez 4995 that may even include the stand - makes me a bit envious that it isn't nearer to the midwest. A pair of Q's would make great dual monitors :).

BenDover

01-03-07, 07:12 AM

I've been up in the bay area the past few days and stopped by the Sony Style store today. They had a Q006 on display with the price marked down to $4,999.95. I didn't ask if that was for the floor model (I assume it was) or if others are available.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Also, on another note, the Sony PS3 sits perfectly on one of the side rear shelves behind the Q006 on the Sony model stand. I was out of room "down below" so this, combined with the fact the PS3 operates via bluetooth, makes it a perfect spot.

that is exactly where i was thinking i might place the ps3 if i keep it in my q006 setup...i was going to remove the 006's speakers (i had them installed since day 1; not really used but i actually like they way they look :)) and place the ps3 on one side and the 360 on the other and maybe the wii beneath where the 360 is now ... do you think my kids will be considered spoiled (i say they are all for them :))

BenDover

01-03-07, 07:32 AM

fyi for me on the ps3 once I patched the firmware it re-orders the inputs so that 1080i is preferred over 720p.
Once you select a resolution it should make you confirm and then that is the resolution it uses for menus, games, and bds... There shouldn't be different settings coming up at least from my experience - try going into display again you can always do the manual setup and select the resolution you wish as well.

That will solve your oddity but keep in mind that some games may require you to go 720p to look good (some bug that makes them be either 720p or else they downgrade to 480) I only know this happened with Fall of Man but I haven't played it since I upgraded the firmware so maybe they caught the bug...

first thing i did was upgrade the firmware...and when i do the auto it seems to select 720p while displaying the menus but when it plays the bd movies it displays the native rez of the movie, which is perfectly fine by me and what i want...that is, to pass the native res of whatever it is outputing thereby allowing the q to take it up to 1080p...i presume this just means that the menus are authored in 720p and that is why it shows 720p when operating the menus...to be clear, by menus i am talking about the ps3's menus, not the movies menus.

[EDIT: OK, maybe not, i just went through the setup screens again and you are correct in that it now selects 1080i when i specify auto...not sure if i should go back and remove the resolutions that i added as compatible resolutions; i.e., 480p and 720p or if it was the auto routine that added them also...guess it doesn't matter as they are correct resolutions...i guess the ps3 won't pass 480i?]

RandyL999@aol.co

01-03-07, 08:03 AM

thesirjay

01-03-07, 09:56 AM

For the PS3 it automatically adds the other resolutions as compatible there shouldn't be anything you need to do (and it should keep you in 1080i all the time I believe now) but if you decide you want it in a specific setting than simply do manual and only select the resolution you want.

mpsan

01-03-07, 02:45 PM

brt is that from ColorTV? I remember those starts and saw the first broadcast in color of Peter Pan at my Uncles RCA shop in Hartford!

In honor of the QEII (Qualia Extravaganza 2)...

Here's to good friends! (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/iMovieTheater17.html)

brt3

01-03-07, 02:47 PM

brt is that from ColorTV? I remember those starts and saw the first broadcast in color of Peter Pan at my Uncles RCA shop in Hartford!
We have a winner! If you go to the listed link he used to have a website, and gave me permission to use his clip...

mpsan

01-03-07, 03:03 PM

Well, it is a shame he left. I know he was busy but I was surprised he never came back.

OH, we watched 24 Season 5 on DVD over the New Years period. I do see why my Blacks seem like a dark gray. During one fade to black spot, the dvd was paused and I noticed the Q screen was not BLACK but a uniform darker gray.

I checked with my AVIA DVD and the black seems perfectly set up.

I guess I will have to look into this again. I guess it could be the DVD's, but I doubt it.

We have a winner! If you go to the listed link he used to have a website, and gave me permission to use his clip...

brt3

01-03-07, 03:14 PM

We watched 24 Season 5 on DVD over the New Years period. I do see why my Blacks seem like a dark gray. During one fade to black spot, the dvd was paused and I noticed the Q screen was not BLACK but a uniform darker gray.

I checked with my AVIA DVD and the black seems perfectly set up.

I guess I will have to look into this again. I guess it could be the DVD's, but I doubt it.
It's pretty amazing -- to me -- how we easily and quickly become acclimated to near-perfection. Though the Q006 is -- by far -- the best display I've owned, it's fairly easy to see things I'd like to be improved in the picture. On this level, however, it's unclear (with some artifacts) whether they originate in the source or the display.

That being said, I am (still) thrilled with my set, and can't believe any A/V product which still seems to be State Of The Art after 2+ years...

thestewman

01-03-07, 03:58 PM

PM What is the real story on this ?

Sony develops and promotes Blu-Ray. Now we find out it does not even build its own Blu-ray players but has Pioneer rebadge their players with the Sony name.

"Commencing set-up made clear that there were more similarities between the BDP-HD1 and Sony’s BDP-S1 than just the rear panel, as the two share identical on-screen instruction graphics, looks, placement and some fonts. The open drawer revealed the two players use the same disc drive as well, leading me to ask a Pioneer representative who builds its player. I was assured that Pioneer builds its player, including the drive, which makes it clear that Pioneer also builds Sony’s player"

Here is the answer from Sony to my question last month to PM

Tuesday December 12, 2006:
Sony Issues A Statement On The Source Of Its BDP-S1 Blu-ray Player

A Sony spokesperson has emailed the HD Guru the following statement:
“At this early stage of Blu-ray player development there are only very few technology suppliers capable of offering components
that could be used in the construction of the BDP-S1.
It stands to reason that we have sourced key components from
similar vendors, however, the design and development of the BDP-S1 was done by Sony.”
Copyright 2006 HD Guru (SM) All rights reserved

Here ie the test report
EXCLUSIVE: First Review of the Pioneer Elite BDP-YD1 Blu-ray Player (http://hdguru.com/?p=30)

Notice, that no one decodes DTS’s lossless DTS-H, Dolby TruHD and Dolby Digital Plus but plays them back as their digital compressed formats.

Stew

jb007

01-03-07, 04:00 PM

Geez 4995 that may even include the stand - makes me a bit envious that it isn't nearer to the midwest. A pair of Q's would make great dual monitors :).

Interestingly, the Sony Style store had the Q006 displayed on a non-Sony stand :eek:

jb007

01-03-07, 04:05 PM

My Q arrived yesterday, and I'm really happy to finally have it.

I still have some things to get set up tomorrow (the Tivo Series 3 and the PS3).

One more question for those of you stronger than I in the video world...

I've seen the different settings that some of you have used (your preferences, after calibration by umr, reviewers, etc.... thanks for the web page brt!). My question is:

Is there a lot of video difference from Q to Q? In other words, if I use umr's settings on the Q he worked on, should the same settings yield a similar result on my unit?

Sorry if this seems so basic as to be dumb... I'm a lot more at home in the audio side of the equation. Thanks in advance for your continuing help. This is one hell of a forum!

Randy

Randy,

First of all, welcome to "ownership status" in the club! As to your question, the posted settings are generalized. Every Q006 is a little different. Those that have had their Q006 calibrated by umr can relate that not only does he do a stellar job, but he is an extremely nice fella who explains everything. For instance, he opined how my chroma level was way off as compared to other Q006s he had calibrated. There were other differences as well. I guess if they were all the same, he could calibrate one and just release the settings for a small fee to all those interested :p