You do not need to do that any more! When you switch to BR it asks if you want them to search your queue and mark all of the ones in your list that have BR available as BR. It sure saved me time. Then I moved the top 8 available on BR to the top. They show that they will send me Good Luck Chuck in BR tomorrow. I better not get it in SD!

Here's wishing you Good Luck mpsan :D

Here's wishing you Good Luck mpsan :D

OK, I should know by Thursday. I have not opened the 5 free BR's I got in the store yet. I just tried regular DVD's. So far, so good, but will give the BR's a try Tomorrow or Thursday. Too busy tonight.

My call to Netflix helped. The nice lady said she would put one in queue for me, and now 3:10 to Yuma is shipping. :)

After having multiple conversations with Sony, I got several confirmations that the warranty from Sony Style has to be purchased within 30 days of purchase. There is a 2nd warranty department that sells warranties later in the life. Of course, the cost is more. A 3 year was $500+ instead of the $350+ that Sony Style sells. They were very clear that the Sony Style warranty would not be honored if sold past it's requirement for early purchase. Very confusing. I had to buy the more expensive because today is the last day I could buy (they go by purchase, not delivery) and could not take the risk of buying something then having to correct the issue. I do not trust Sony to fix the misinformation between the 2 warranty units.

thanks for the feed back guys, I waiting for my integra to materialize, now on to the amp
decisions, decisions. I was specking the gemstone it looks interesting.

R

After having multiple conversations with Sony, I got several confirmations that the warranty from Sony Style has to be purchased within 30 days of purchase. There is a 2nd warranty department that sells warranties later in the life. Of course, the cost is more. A 3 year was $500+ instead of the $350+ that Sony Style sells. They were very clear that the Sony Style warranty would not be honored if sold past it's requirement for early purchase. Very confusing. I had to buy the more expensive because today is the last day I could buy (they go by purchase, not delivery) and could not take the risk of buying something then having to correct the issue. I do not trust Sony to fix the misinformation between the 2 warranty units.

I also tried, but was unsuccessful in contacting Sony Style, but did talk to Sony Extended Service again, who told me the same story too, but BTScott called and was transfered to Sony Stlye and was offered and bought the cheaper Sony Style Warranty and his Q warranty ends in July, so it doesn't make sense. I decided to not pursue it any longer, especially with the risk of Sony Style finding out their possible mistake with BTScott, thus screwing up his good deal.

We can now watch an unlimited number online. I thought WHO CARES! Above all else, who wants to sit in front of the PC for that?


I must say I don't mind sitting in front of the computer since I have one attached to the Q :). The quality isn't too bad really a bit below sd but having a library of often older titles that weren't high quality to begin with eases the pain. The instant access is really nice. If you do decide to hook up your computer I would suggest turning off the power saving mode on the Q. With power save on I got some screen irregularities in color tone but with it off my whites were nice and even (this only happened with the computer hookup everything else does not seem to be affected by power save and it wasn't input 6 or 7 related).

Its also not a bad way to check out tv series since they have quite a few (nowhere near the selection I hope they will have soon). If you decide you like the series you can always order the dvd version.

Its also good for that nostalgia fix.... the "real knight rider" for instance has a large amount of episodes and things like quantum leap, sliders, original battlestar galactica and the A team as well.

Talked to Angelic at Sony(1-866-766-9259 opt #1) and got the 3 year extended warranty for my Q006 for $509.87. The closer you live to a major repair hub the closer you can get to the $509 price. Based on my very positive experience when Sony replaced the Optical Block to fix the "green" problem, I feel good about having an extended warranty directly with SONY. My QOO6 is still by far the best HD set I have and I own four others. BUT without this BLOG I would have never known about these problems/options until it was too late. Thanks to everyone!!!!!!!

I've gotten two copies of Stranger than Fiction from netflix from different warehouses, now awaiting my 3rd. Both wouldn't play on my Sony 301 with the latest rev. After close inspection, I noticed black specsIt triggered a memory about rot that I had read about and sure enough, after some research, it turned up as an issue with this particular title.

Anyone here by any chance has had success with this title? Off topic I know, but since you nice gentlemen are currently talking about netflix, I figured I would throw it out there :)

I must say I don't mind sitting in front of the computer since I have one attached to the Q :). The quality isn't too bad really a bit below sd but having a library of often older titles that weren't high quality to begin with eases the pain. The instant access is really nice. If you do decide to hook up your computer I would suggest turning off the power saving mode on the Q. With power save on I got some screen irregularities in color tone but with it off my whites were nice and even (this only happened with the computer hookup everything else does not seem to be affected by power save and it wasn't input 6 or 7 related).

Its also not a bad way to check out tv series since they have quite a few (nowhere near the selection I hope they will have soon). If you decide you like the series you can always order the dvd version.

Its also good for that nostalgia fix.... the "real knight rider" for instance has a large amount of episodes and things like quantum leap, sliders, original battlestar galactica and the A team as well.

I guess I would make some use out of it if I had a computer connected to the Q. I do have cat5 there, but never brought a system down. I suppose I could try my laptop.

mpsan,

Come on, just try a Blu-ray in your new player. I guarantee you'll like it :D

mpsan,

Come on, just try a Blu-ray in your new player. I guarantee you'll like it :D

OH, so you are looking at that forum too? :D

mpsan,

If you can't get the Playback review of the BD30 without subscribing, I'll get it to you somehow, even if I have to resort to MAIL. 4000 watts?! What be the power?

Have you heard of anyone having trouble with the volume control? My Qualia 006 shoots up to "19" - you then manually have to turn it back down - audio board was replaced once - same problem again happening.

thanks,
Cathy

Was this for the Qualia006 ?

Are you able to get an extended warranty on the Qualia006 - I was told they would not give one ???

Cathy I.

Are you able to get an extended warranty on the Qualia006 - I was told they would not give one ???

Cathy I.

Read back over the last few pages. There is a lot of information, including telephone numbers and prices.

mpsan,

If you can't get the Playback review of the BD30 without subscribing, I'll get it to you somehow, even if I have to resort to MAIL. 4000 watts?! What be the power?

Well, I will look at the review again to see if they will let me get it. Do you have a URL?

The power is a Sub and a 5ch Amp at 250 Watts each. I run B&W Nautilus all around...except for sub.

OH, so you are looking at that forum too? :D

I've been checking it out, since I am interested in the BD50 that will be coming out. I couldn't resist ;)

So, has your Netflix come in yet?

i should have 3:10 to Yuma AND Shoot'em Up (they must have shipped me an extra b/c of my complaint as i am now downgraded from 4 to 1 at a time :()

why not the bd65 dd?

the bd50 will have internal decoding but not bitstream? i remember there was some limitation that i thought was disappointing...

why not the bd65 dd?

the bd50 will have internal decoding but not bitstream? i remember there was some limitation that i thought was disappointing...

BD,

Are we talking about the Panny? I haven't heard about a BD65. I thought the 50 was the new one coming out with all the bells and whistles, that is if it has 7.1 analogs.

I've been checking it out, since I am interested in the BD50 that will be coming out. I couldn't resist ;)

So, has your Netflix come in yet?

No, I did see that they shipped it and I will get it tomorrow. It is Good Luck Chuck.

BD,

Are we talking about the Panny? I haven't heard about a BD65. I thought the 50 was the new one coming out with all the bells and whistles, that is if it has 7.1 analogs.

You know, I think I need a break :D

Either the bd30 or 5k needs to go back...tracking so many threads is obviously wearing on me. Newtoyitis.

mpsan and others, try this for the review: http://magazine.playbackmag.net/playback/200801web/.

You have B&W Nautilus in 5.1? With the Q? How do you have your center placed? I won't clutter this thread with high-end audio chatter, but you have just exposed to a gearhead like me about the equivalent of parking five Ferraris in the garage.

Have you heard of anyone having trouble with the volume control? My Qualia 006 shoots up to "19" - you then manually have to turn it back down - audio board was replaced once - same problem again happening.
Hello Cathy, and welcome! As the official thread Historian, I can tell you with some authority that you are (unfortunately) the first one to post here with a any kind of problem with the volume controls.

But as I mentioned in my reply to your PM, you set should still be under its original Sony warranty, so keep on them until they fix it.

Are you able to get an extended warranty on the Qualia006 - I was told they would not give one ???
Read back over the last few pages. There is a lot of information, including telephone numbers and prices.

Here are a couple of useful links for where to start:
DiveDude seems to be the first one to mention extended warranties recently (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12728936#post12728936)
Penton-Man makes a now-infrequent appearance with information on how to get a cheaper EW from Sony (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12757999#post12757999)

--Dwayne

Official Historian of the Qualia 006 Owners' Thread

mpsan and others, try this for the review: http://magazine.playbackmag.net/playback/200801web/.

You have B&W Nautilus in 5.1? With the Q? How do you have your center placed? I won't clutter this thread with high-end audio chatter, but you have just exposed to a gearhead like me about the equivalent of parking five Ferraris in the garage.

OK, I can get to the Playback web site but do not see where to click for the review. I only see music reviews.

OH, my shelf is above the Q...I have a picture here! And, NO, the sub is not there any more...it is away from the corner and the wall!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=40261&d=1122507597

When you get to the Playback page, do you see a toolbar? If so, click on pages, the review is on page 152. If this isn't happening, let me know with a PM and I'll send you a copy of the review.

I thought your five Nautilus speakers may have been the $50K/pair Nautilus shell speaker. Still, the set you have are very nice. Ironically, today I got my Home Theater magazine delivered which has a featured article on, drum roll, the B&W speaker company, including pix of the aforementioned Nautilus speaker.

When you get to the Playback page, do you see a toolbar? If so, click on pages, the review is on page 152. If this isn't happening, let me know with a PM and I'll send you a copy of the review.

I thought your five Nautilus speakers may have been the $50K/pair Nautilus shell speaker. Still, the set you have are very nice. Ironically, today I got my Home Theater magazine delivered which has a featured article on, drum roll, the B&W speaker company, including pix of the aforementioned Nautilus speaker.

Yes, now I can see the review. He liked it!

Yes, I read the B&W story as well. Actually we dropped down a bit on our speakers so that we could place the sub where we wanted it. Those big ones sure have a bad WAF!

Did you see the $6 million dollar setup? I used to live near there and had the same NovaBeam he mentioned!

mpsan,

have you gotten your netflix blu-ray and "stepped into the blu" yet?

mpsan,

have you gotten your netflix blu-ray and "stepped into the blu" yet?

Well, I can look and check the mail. It should be here today. Our mail gets here about 16:00.

Well, I can look and check the mail. It should be here today. Our mail gets here about 16:00.

The whole gang is anxiously waiting :D

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f200/divedude/MiniDiveGang.jpg

Thanks DD. I noticed an Elton John 60th Birthday BR. So I added it to Netflix and it says short wait! I sure hope Netflix adds more BR. I was getting used to little or no wait on SD titles!

I see that DTS is still not very popular even on BR!

OK...got it. I like the pic and sound. A little bit of a learning curve, however. I get status screens on the BD30 that I had to get off. Found that toggle. Wanted to see if it showed dts 5.1, but could not find it.

I had to do a skip to get by all of the previews instead of hitting top menu. SD DVD's do that as well sometimes.

The picture was great...if not a little too bright, but we plan on watching the whole thing tonight. I am using the BD30 remote as I want to see what I need before programming my Harmony!

Now we just need Netflix to get their act together!

OK...got it. I like the pic and sound. Good Luck Chuck was DTS 5.1 for me.

Now we just need Netflix to get their act together!

Glad you like it :D So when you get everything all setup, pop in Ratatouilla, Cars or anything in Tier 0 to really blow your mind.

First post of this thread if you haven't checked it out:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858316

Glad you like it :D So when you get everything all setup, pop in Ratatouilla, Cars or anything in Tier 0 to really blow your mind.

First post of this thread if you haven't checked it out:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858316

I was looking at that thread for great audio...I want that Queen disk. I wonder if BB has it and I can trade one of my unopened ones I got with the BD30?

Did you see the $6 million dollar setup? I used to live near there and had the same NovaBeam he mentioned!

Where did you live near Redding? :p

Cheers -

Jeremy


www.Kipnis-Studios.com

Where did you live near Redding? :p

Cheers -

Jeremy


www.Kipnis-Studios.com

We are from Hartford. Anyway, we lived in Fairfield for a while and our first house was in Milford...home of Krell now. :D

mpsan,

have you gotten your netflix blu-ray and "stepped into the blu" yet?

OK DiveDude and BD...we watched Good Luck Chuck. Looked very good, except for two things. During bright outdoor scenes it was a little washed out. I expected this as it was noted in the review.

However, several times during the movie, I saw flashing! It happened during some darker scenes...like there is an elevator that had dark blue doors. Whenever they were there, the doors were flashing! I think once in a restaurant as well.

Is this my setup? Of course I have the BD30 connected to the Q via HDMI. The BD30 is set to HDMI Video and I have the BD30 to not output audio via HDMI. I also have the BD30 set to 1080i (not auto) and 16:9 (not 16:9 full).

So, any idea what the flashing is? Can it be that DVD? Also I am still at 1.2 firmware.

TIA

However, several times during the movie, I saw flashing! It happened during some darker scenes...like there is an elevator that had dark blue doors. Whenever they were there, the doors were flashing! I think once in a restaurant as well.

Is this my setup? Of course I have the BD30 connected to the Q via HDMI. The BD30 is set to HDMI Video and I have the BD30 to not output audio via HDMI. I also have the BD30 set to 1080i (not auto) and 16:9 (not 16:9 full).

So, any idea what the flashing is? Can it be that DVD? Also I am still at 1.2 firmware.

TIA

mpsan,

I have never seen flashing from my BD10 on any movies. But I have not watched Good Luck Chuck. Does it do it everytime you play the same scene? On my player, I have the video setting at default and I am using the Pro setting on the 006. I don't know if this would affect video, but do you have the HDMI Audio Output set to Off?

mpsan,

I have never seen flashing from my BD10 on any movies. But I have not watched Good Luck Chuck. Does it do it everytime you play the same scene? On my player, I have the video setting at default and I am using the Pro setting on the 006. I don't know if this would affect video, but do you have the HDMI Audio Output set to Off?

First...yes, it will do it every time when looking at someone getting out of the elevator. The walls are deep blue and there is a small amount of flashing.

However, I CAN stop it! IF I force the BD30 to 720P, instead of the 1080i I selected, it will stop. I do not want to do that. Also...I have had the Q in VIVID. If I select Pro it seems to go away...at least to the point where you would need to look hard to see it. I wonder if BenDover has his Q set at Pro.

DD, I suppose that almost everyone uses Pro and not Vivid...huh!

I am posting this on the Q forum as several people here have the BD30 and most other forums do not even know what the Q006 is!

First...yes, it will do it every time when looking at someone getting out of the elevator. The walls are deep blue and there is a small amount of flashing.

However, I CAN stop it! IF I force the BD30 to 720P, instead of the 1080i I selected, it will stop. I do not want to do that. Also...I have had the Q in VIVID. If I select Pro it seems to go away...at least to the point where you would need to look hard to see it. I wonder if BenDover has his Q set at Pro.

DD, I suppose that almost everyone uses Pro and not Vivid...huh!

I am posting this on the Q forum as several people here have the BD30 and most other forums do not even know what the Q006 is!

I have used both Vivid and Pro, but with my new Optical Block, the Pro looks better. The Vivid is too bright and over driven. And the Pro does give various additional settings. After getting the new OB, I had to recalibrate each input on my 006. With the installation of the OB, everything was set back to factory defaults.

I have watched maybe 100 or so Blu-ray movies and not seen what you are describing.

Is there a chance the input your BD30 is connected to has a setting that needs to be changed. As you know, they are all adjustable. Don't know if you are connecting to 6 or 7 and if you had been using that one before, since you had been using one of them for the Sony DVD player.

I see this thread is now on a very good page :p But my post number may be very unlucky (1313) :eek:

I never use vivid. Mostly pro (umr calibrated) but sometimes standard.

I've not seen flashing on anything but my cable box which seems to be hdmi related. I just force a resolution change and the the flashing goes away but when flashing is present it is there constantly not just in on particular scene or type of scene.

I have used both Vivid and Pro, but with my new Optical Block, the Pro looks better. The Vivid is too bright and over driven. And the Pro does give various additional settings. After getting the new OB, I had to recalibrate each input on my 006. With the installation of the OB, everything was set back to factory defaults.

I have watched maybe 100 or so Blu-ray movies and not seen what you are describing.

Is there a chance the input your BD30 is connected to has a setting that needs to be changed. As you know, they are all adjustable. Don't know if you are connecting to 6 or 7 and if you had been using that one before, since you had been using one of them for the Sony DVD player.

I am using the same input as the Sony. As a quick and dirty I just pulled the HDMI and Coax audio cables from the Sony and attached them to the BD30. I am somewhat surprised that this issue also seems to go away with the Q getting 720P instead of 1080i but I am sure that the picture is better on 1080i.

I can recheck the settings on the input, but I remember setting it to vivid a while ago and thinking I should not need that. Perhaps the overall color setting is too low.

I never use vivid. Mostly pro (umr calibrated) but sometimes standard.

I've not seen flashing on anything but my cable box which seems to be hdmi related. I just force a resolution change and the the flashing goes away but when flashing is present it is there constantly not just in on particular scene or type of scene.

OK...so I have my cablebox at component. Anyway, I assume you have your BD30 set to output HDMI at 1080i and not automatic.

OK...so I have my cablebox at component. Anyway, I assume you have your BD30 set to output HDMI at 1080i and not automatic.

not sure, i'll have to double-check...

OK...so I have my cablebox at component. Anyway, I assume you have your BD30 set to output HDMI at 1080i and not automatic.

I have my BD10 hard set to 1080i.

Well, I would assume that 1080i is the way to go. As I said, I do not know why Vivid at 1080i flashes. However, I must say it is in a particular 2 or 3 scenes. Perhaps I will just leave everything alone and see what happens with other BR disks.

Still not sure why my wife and I like Vivid. It seems to me at least Pro should be good enough.

You want to feed it native resolution from the disk and not downres it. The only difference between 1080i and 1080p is the interlacing and the 006 has an excellent deinterlacer. Try some other disks. It is always possible the player has a problem of some kind.

You could also update the firmware and see if that fixes it.

You want to feed it native resolution from the disk and not downres it. The only difference between 1080i and 1080p is the interlacing and the 006 has an excellent deinterlacer. Try some other disks. It is always possible the player has a problem of some kind.

You could also update the firmware and see if that fixes it.


Yes, I had asked them about going from 1.2 to 1.3 and they said that there was nothing in 1.3 that would matter. I see that the dvd is 1080p on the BD30 display, but it is sent from the BD30 to the Q at 1080i.

I will also try to set the thing to Pro and boost the color a bit. I am not sure just what it is set to now but at least 1 person (first page of thread) says he had to bump his color up to 40 after a umr cal.

I will also try to set the thing to Pro and boost the color a bit. I am not sure just what it is set to now but at least 1 person (first page of thread) says he had to bump his color up to 40 after a umr cal.

You may find that going to Pro from Vivid takes a little adjustment. When I got my new OB I was trying to calabrate things for a few days. I forgot I had set my HDMI input for the HD DVD player to Pro and forgot. I had been watching Vivid on HD TV and then watched a HD DVD that night and was really happy with the picture, colors and skin tones. After the movie I switched back to TV and saw how overdriven Vivid was. I went back to the other input and saw it was on Pro, and decided that was the way to go with the new OB. So I have calibrated all of my other inputs.

The cool thing about the 006 is that for each input, you can set Vivid, Standard and Pro differently. Thus, you can switch back and fourth if you want easily.

You may find that going to Pro from Vivid takes a little adjustment. When I got my new OB I was trying to calabrate things for a few days. I forgot I had set my HDMI input for the HD DVD player to Pro and forgot. I had been watching Vivid on HD TV and then watched a HD DVD that night and was really happy with the picture, colors and skin tones. After the movie I switched back to TV and saw how overdriven Vivid was. I went back to the other input and saw it was on Pro, and decided that was the way to go with the new OB. So I have calibrated all of my other inputs.

The cool thing about the 006 is that for each input, you can set Vivid, Standard and Pro differently. Thus, you can switch back and fourth if you want easily.

OK...I will try. My basic question is why Vivid causes flashing. In fact, I am not so sure Pro gets rid of it or just makes it not TOO bad. I could get a new one to try, but would hate to swap one out at BB only to find that there was nothing wrong with the first one. The mode where the flashing does go away is 720P but that is no solution!

Of course, I will continue to look for the flashing on other BR media to see if it is just this disk.

mpsan,

what settings on the bd30 might you have tinkered with? black level? enhanced/extended color, etc?

is it only on dark scenes/areas that you see this flashing/pumping?

mpsan,

what settings on the bd30 might you have tinkered with? black level? enhanced/extended color, etc?

is it only on dark scenes/areas that you see this flashing/pumping?

Yes, only on "darker" scenes, but not real dark. The scene was when they get out of an elevator (several times during the movie) and the lower walls are dark blue. The room is well lit. The blue walls flash with white. I did not mess with the BD30 picture settings. All are default. I can recheck, but all I did was make it HDMI, HDMI Audio OFF, 1080i, and audio (4 settings) set to bitstream. I also left aspect at 16:9.

As I said, I am not so sure Pro fixes it as much as masking most of it, and 99% of the movie was fine!

I can get another unit from BB but would hate to do that for nothing. So far none of the reviews of this movie say anything about this. Also I am on f/w 1.2 and Panasonic said that there is nothing in 1.3 to fix this issue, but who knows! This is a Netflix disk and will go back Tuesday so I would like to resolve it by then. :D

BenDover,

Have you watched 3:10 to Yuma Blu-ray, or more to my point have you listened to it? The discrete 7.1 LPCM is fantastic. The bullets flying through the room and to the back couldn't sound any more realistic. :cool:

The bullets flying through the room and to the back couldn't sound any more realistic. :cool:

dd, is there something in your aquatic past you haven't previously shared with us? :D

BenDover,

Have you watched 3:10 to Yuma Blu-ray, or more to my point have you listened to it? The discrete 7.1 LPCM is fantastic. The bullets flying through the room and to the back couldn't sound any more realistic. :cool:

yes dd, i actually watched it TWICE...i agree, the 7.1 track was spectacular...the opening scene with wagon heist was unbelievable!!! gave my subs a good workout...the back surrounds were very active too

i also watched shoot'em up which i very much liked as well...it too had a very active/aggressive soundtrack with bullets wizzing all over the place!!!

Yes, only on "darker" scenes, but not real dark. The scene was when they get out of an elevator (several times during the movie) and the lower walls are dark blue. The room is well lit. The blue walls flash with white. I did not mess with the BD30 picture settings. All are default. I can recheck, but all I did was make it HDMI, HDMI Audio OFF, 1080i, and audio (4 settings) set to bitstream. I also left aspect at 16:9.

As I said, I am not so sure Pro fixes it as much as masking most of it, and 99% of the movie was fine!

I can get another unit from BB but would hate to do that for nothing. So far none of the reviews of this movie say anything about this. Also I am on f/w 1.2 and Panasonic said that there is nothing in 1.3 to fix this issue, but who knows! This is a Netflix disk and will go back Tuesday so I would like to resolve it by then. :D

oh, btw, i checked my settings and i have the bd30 set to "auto" as opposed to 1080i... not sure that would make a difference though

yes dd, i actually watched it TWICE...i agree, the 7.1 track was spectacular...the opening scene with wagon heist was unbelievable!!! gave my subs a good workout...the back surrounds were very active too

i also watched shoot'em up which i very much liked as well...it too had a very active/aggressive soundtrack with bullets wizzing all over the place!!!

I'm still waiting on Shoot 'Em Up from Netflix. I really liked 3:10, I enjoy a good western.

dive dude, Panasonic is calling your name (http://gizmodo.com/347355/hands-on-the-sdr+sw20-panasonics-first-underwater-camcorder) :)

oh, btw, i checked my settings and i have the bd30 set to "auto" as opposed to 1080i... not sure that would make a difference though

No, as I forced mine back to Auto and it picked 1080i. I DID get another unit and the flashing was a little less. However, when I now go to PRO it is GONE! I bumped the color up a few from 38 to 40. I guess VIVID is not just color, it enhances Sharpness and Black level. Not sure what else.

The trip back to BB was worth it (actually not far from me), as they allowed me to trade one of my Free movies (Sunshine) for a Queen disk they had. It is supposed to be great and BB did not even know they had it. Also, my wife got a price adjustment on my Frys PM. I will not say what they did, but what a deal we got. I did not see what they gave my wife 'til I got back in the car. I was busy exchanging the BD30.

dive dude, Panasonic is calling your name (http://gizmodo.com/347355/hands-on-the-sdr+sw20-panasonics-first-underwater-camcorder) :)

jb007,

Panasonic is playing very loose with the term dive, 5 foot :rolleyes: My Gates housing is good to 450', which is about twice as deep as I am good for :D

The Panny UW cancorder might be good to video the shallow animals:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f200/divedude/Elephant.jpg

No, as I forced mine back to Auto and it picked 1080i. I DID get another unit and the flashing was a little less. However, when I now go to PRO it is GONE! I bumped the color up a few from 38 to 40. I guess VIVID is not just color, it enhances Sharpness and Black level. Not sure what else.

The trip back to BB was worth it (actually not far from me), as they allowed me to trade one of my Free movies (Sunshine) for a Queen disk they had. It is supposed to be great and BB did not even know they had it. Also, my wife got a price adjustment on my Frys PM. I will not say what they did, but what a deal we got. I did not see what they gave my wife 'til I got back in the car. I was busy exchanging the BD30.

i didn't get any sort of deal on my bd30 from circuit city...but i'm never that lucky...

i am thinking of returning the bd30 and holding out for the bd50

dd, when do you think the bd50 will *actually* hit store shelves?

i didn't get any sort of deal on my bd30 from circuit city...but i'm never that lucky...

i am thinking of returning the bd30 and holding out for the bd50

dd, when do you think the bd50 will *actually* hit store shelves?

Well, my bottom line was $332 and I got 5 free BR disks in store and 5 more via mail! I can not use the "hi-def" audio now, just 5.1 DD and DTS. I also have no time for hours of internet stuff about the movie. In fact, I don't recall ever seeing any extras on SD dvd's that I cared about. Anyway that is a long way of saying that I do not think, for me, that the BD50 will buy me anything. Maybe some day I will upgrade my Meridian 568, but it sure sounds good now!

i am thinking of returning the bd30 and holding out for the bd50

dd, when do you think the bd50 will *actually* hit store shelves?

I have read May / June. Just in time for me to stimulate the economy with my tax rebate check :)

bd
I noticed that you are running two subs out of your 9.8, ..since the is only one sub out how did you split the out put? and did you use xlr or rci outs?
I'm waiting for my new gemstone amp to arrive and I'm now getting down to cabling and hooking everything up to the q. also what input are you using on the q for hdmi in 6 or 7 and does it make any difference
Thanks Ross

bd
I noticed that you are running two subs out of your 9.8, ..since the is only one sub out how did you split the out put? and did you use xlr or rci outs?
I'm waiting for my new gemstone amp to arrive and I'm now getting down to cabling and hooking everything up to the q. also what input are you using on the q for hdmi in 6 or 7 and does it make any difference
Thanks Ross

Ross,

I don't have an Integra, but I run 2 subs out of my Pio Elite 84 by using a RCA cable splitter and running cables to each sub.

You can use either HDMI 6 or 7, it doesn't make any difference. Just keep in mind that each input can be calibrated individually, so make sure to check your settings.

bd
I noticed that you are running two subs out of your 9.8, ..since the is only one sub out how did you split the out put? and did you use xlr or rci outs?
I'm waiting for my new gemstone amp to arrive and I'm now getting down to cabling and hooking everything up to the q. also what input are you using on the q for hdmi in 6 or 7 and does it make any difference
Thanks Ross

well, i admittedly do not have a very *pure* setup...

initially i only had my yamaha rx-z9; the z9 has two sub outputs which can be configure either l/r or front/back...i opted for front back which has them firing all the time (the l/r approach, from what i read a long time ago, seems to split the load, the left sub only handling sub meant for the left speakers and the right handling sub meant for the right speakers)

when using the 9.8, i am feeding the analog outs to the analog ins on my z9 and using the amp section of the z9...i believe, although i have to confirm, when i am using the "direct" multi-channel analog setting on the z9, i am NOT getting both subs active. however, if i choose to apply and DSP within the z9 then it will use both subs. i think there is a configuration within my z9 that would permit both subs to be active even when i'm running the "pure direct" but i haven't looked into this yet (you reminded me that i should get right on that :D ... thanks).

i have been running primarily in "pure direct" mode, opting not to apply any dsp to the DTS-HD Master/Dolby TrueHD signal so i have been missing out on both subs being active (as well as me "presence speakers" that yamaha takes advantage of...my system is technically a yamaha 9.2 setup)

Well, my bottom line was $332 and I got 5 free BR disks in store and 5 more via mail! I can not use the "hi-def" audio now, just 5.1 DD and DTS. I also have no time for hours of internet stuff about the movie. In fact, I don't recall ever seeing any extras on SD dvd's that I cared about. Anyway that is a long way of saying that I do not think, for me, that the BD50 will buy me anything. Maybe some day I will upgrade my Meridian 568, but it sure sounds good now!

i am likely with you on my usual lack of interest in extras and interactivity but have to admit that when any interactive content exists on hd dvd, i at least check it out ...not necessarily all of it, but while it is still novel i tend to play around. same for some of the "games" on both bd and hd dvd, although i find these much more ridiculous in terms of me wanting to use them (liar's dice on POTC and the strategy game on hd dvd version of 300).

that being said, while it has been maintained that profile 1.0 players should seemlessly play back 1.1 and 2.0 content, that does not appear to be the case even with only the handful of 1.1 titles available (i think the first 2.0 title just came out but i haven't gotten it as i'm not a fan of "Saw" or many horror flicks of late ... as a youngster i liked them, as a middle-aged man, not so much).

so b/c i don't want to have these issues and potentially have to update my player every month to fix playback issues with recently released titles that may have 1.1 and/or 2.0 features, i am leaning towards getting a player that satisfies profile 2.0, aka BD-Live.

but as for your existing meridian, presuming that it has multi-channel analog inputs, the bd50 would actually be great for you as it is going to do internal/onboard decoding of the advanced audio codecs!

I have read May / June. Just in time for me to stimulate the economy with my tax rebate check :)

yes, i've been known to *stimulate* the economy every now and then...seems more now than then :)

i am likely with you on my usual lack of interest in extras and interactivity but have to admit that when any interactive content exists on hd dvd, i at least check it out ...not necessarily all of it, but while it is still novel i tend to play around. same for some of the "games" on both bd and hd dvd, although i find these much more ridiculous in terms of me wanting to use them (liar's dice on POTC and the strategy game on hd dvd version of 300).

that being said, while it has been maintained that profile 1.0 players should seemlessly play back 1.1 and 2.0 content, that does not appear to be the case even with only the handful of 1.1 titles available (i think the first 2.0 title just came out but i haven't gotten it as i'm not a fan of "Saw" or many horror flicks of late ... as a youngster i liked them, as a middle-aged man, not so much).

so b/c i don't want to have these issues and potentially have to update my player every month to fix playback issues with recently released titles that may have 1.1 and/or 2.0 features, i am leaning towards getting a player that satisfies profile 2.0, aka BD-Live.

but as for your existing meridian, presuming that it has multi-channel analog inputs, the bd50 would actually be great for you as it is going to do internal/onboard decoding of the advanced audio codecs!

I agree that it may be fun to see what is available online...for a bit. I liked stuff like SAW as well, but no longer. In fact I used to like stuff like Sunshine. My wife does not like it when stuff is in there just to show gore. I understand that Sunshine shows heads exploding, etc. I do not see how that adds to the story...we get the point without it.

Anyway, my Meridian does NOT have multi-channel analog inputs, so the BD30 may just be as good as it gets for me for a while. Sure looks like the number of pure av processors has gone away as everyone wants a receiver now! I was surprised to see that the BR of Elton 60 is PCM only...both PCM 2 and PCM 5.1. In that case all I would get would ProLogic II.

I just got a call from my dealer that my new Q toys are in and will be installed tomorrow afternoon. Both just came out this week -

Denon 5308CI
150 Watts x 7 Channels
Audyssey MultEQ Pro calibration installer ready
Audyssey MultEQ XT Auto-Setup/Room EQ
HD Radio with simulcast capability
XM Radio Ready
Ethernet Internet Radio
DDSC-HD Digital surround circuitry
Dolby True HD and DD+
dts-HD Master Audio
DENON LINK III
THX® Ultra2 certified
PlaysForSure connectivity
EL backlit learning remote & second zone remote


Denon DVD 2500BTCI
Complete digital-only transport to eliminate interference
Single-cable HDMI connection and Digital HD output up to 1080p*
Fully 10-bit processing for i/p and scaling circuit
Blu-ray 1080p/24fps output capability
Up to 36 bit Deep Color support via HDMI
Native bit stream output for Dolby Digital+, Dolby TrueHD, and dts-HD master audio
Bonus View functionality, providing simultaneous Audio and Video options for greater interactivity.
Digital media disc support: Blu-Ray, DVD-Video, DVD-R/RW, CD Audio WMA, MP3, Kodak picture CD, Fuji Color CD.

I don't own any blu-ray disks. I think I need to join Netflix!

I will post impressions but it may take a bit as the kids don't give dad a lot of rest.:o

I just got a call from my dealer that my new Q toys are in and will be installed tomorrow afternoon. Both just came out this week -

I don't own any blu-ray disks. I think I need to join Netflix!


RonB63,

You have been doing your share of economy stimulation - very nice :D

Yes, join Netflix. They are a little slow on getting out new Blu-ray titles, but there are a lot of great older ones for you to catch up on. Once they get a handle on the post Christmas demand for Blu-ray rentals, they will get faster on getting the new releases out.

I agree that it may be fun to see what is available online...for a bit. I liked stuff like SAW as well, but no longer. In fact I used to like stuff like Sunshine. My wife does not like it when stuff is in there just to show gore. I understand that Sunshine shows heads exploding, etc. I do not see how that adds to the story...we get the point without it.

Anyway, my Meridian does NOT have multi-channel analog inputs, so the BD30 may just be as good as it gets for me for a while. Sure looks like the number of pure av processors has gone away as everyone wants a receiver now! I was surprised to see that the BR of Elton 60 is PCM only...both PCM 2 and PCM 5.1. In that case all I would get would ProLogic II.

shouldn't your meridian be able to accept pcm 2ch over optical/coax s/pdif?

RonB63,

You have been doing your share of economy stimulation - very nice :D

Yes, join Netflix. They are a little slow on getting out new Blu-ray titles, but there are a lot of great older ones for you to catch up on. Once they get a handle on the post Christmas demand for Blu-ray rentals, they will get faster on getting the new releases out.

since i downgraded to 1 unlimited, the next disc seems to get pushed immediately...i read somewhere that they believe their *algorithms* assign HIGHER priority to lesser plans (that seems very counter-intuitive to me, but what the hell do i know).

also, it could just be a by-product of me having very recently complained AND downgrading from 4 to 1 ...

since i downgraded to 1 unlimited, the next disc seems to get pushed immediately...i read somewhere that they believe their *algorithms* assign HIGHER priority to lesser plans (that seems very counter-intuitive to me, but what the hell do i know).

also, it could just be a by-product of me having very recently complained AND downgrading from 4 to 1 ...

I will look over the plans and figure out what makes sense. I was so desperate to have something that I shot down to the local Walmart and grabbed the only two titles they had - Shoot Em Up & Rush Hour 3. At least they both have 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio.

For other purchases I will see what Amazon has. This should hold me over till Netflix kicks in. You guys got me looking forward to 3:10 to Yuma!

I am more interested how my 7.2 Klipsch Ultra2 will sound as I have never fed them anything better than 5.1 DD. I know the Q will do the video justice.

Now I can't wait till April when Umr is back up here!

I will look over the plans and figure out what makes sense. I was so desperate to have something that I shot down to the local Walmart and grabbed the only two titles they had - Shoot Em Up & Rush Hour 3. At least they both have 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio.

For other purchases I will see what Amazon has. This should hold me over till Netflix kicks in. You guys got me looking forward to 3:10 to Yuma!

I am more interested how my 7.2 Klipsch Ultra2 will sound as I have never fed them anything better than 5.1 DD. I know the Q will do the video justice.

Now I can't wait till April when Umr is back up here!

you got me looking at the specs of the denon bd player you are getting and i have a disconcerting observation, i don't see dts-hd ma?!?!

at 999 msrp (that is my limit these days on a player :)) it is a viable option, but i am concerned about the dts-hd ma

For other purchases I will see what Amazon has. This should hold me over till Netflix kicks in. You guys got me looking forward to 3:10 to Yuma!


Here is the link to the Blu-ray deals thread. Amazon has several on sale, including several Tier 0.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=976789

since i downgraded to 1 unlimited, the next disc seems to get pushed immediately...i read somewhere that they believe their *algorithms* assign HIGHER priority to lesser plans (that seems very counter-intuitive to me, but what the hell do i know).

also, it could just be a by-product of me having very recently complained AND downgrading from 4 to 1 ...

You are right. Netflix actually told me they give preference to folks with less at a time plans. To me, it doesn't make much sense to treat the people that pay less better than the people that pay more per month. I am on the 4 at a time plan. They have me locked into the original per month price ($17.00), since I have been a customer since they started. I have found that I am better off keeping at least 2 at home. If my queue is empty, they don't send me anything. Go figure :confused:

They are finally sending Shoot 'Em Up.

You are right. Netflix actually told me they give preference to folks with less at a time plans. To me, it doesn't make much sense to treat the people that pay less better than the people that pay more per month. I am on the 4 at a time plan. They have me locked into the original per month price ($17.00), since I have been a customer since they started. I have found that I am better off keeping at least 2 at home. If my queue is empty, they don't send me anything. Go figure :confused:

They are finally sending Shoot 'Em Up.

if you and ron are into action, shoot 'em up has plenty of it right from the start...very interesting new view on carrots i have come away with :eek:

shouldn't your meridian be able to accept pcm 2ch over optical/coax s/pdif?

Yes...but do I want to hear that BR in only 2ch Stereo, or perhaps ProLogicII?

Here is the link to the Blu-ray deals thread. Amazon has several on sale, including several Tier 0.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=976789

Thanks DD - I will be looking it over closely later tonight to see what I "need."

you got me looking at the specs of the denon bd player you are getting and i have a disconcerting observation, i don't see dts-hd ma?!?!

at 999 msrp (that is my limit these days on a player :)) it is a viable option, but i am concerned about the dts-hd ma

Though most over on the 2500 thread feel it is included, one user said that he will check it tonight to put the question to rest. There were questions concerning the wording in the manual - open for interpretation.

Though most over on the 2500 thread feel it is included, one user said that he will check it tonight to put the question to rest. There were questions concerning the wording in the manual - open for interpretation.

please let us know how it works out, but IMHO, there is no ambiguity in the manual. then look at their other bd player and it is explicitly called out...sooo :(

please let us know how it works out, but IMHO, there is no ambiguity in the manual. then look at their other bd player and it is explicitly called out...sooo :(

From tingbro over on the 2500 thread -

"Just hooked up my 2500 to my 3808ci. Picked it up yesterday at Magnolia in Santa Clara, CA.

Set HDMI settings to multi channel and audio to HD Audio output as relayed to me by buddy Big Playa. Put in Live Free Die Hard and selected the DTS MA soundtrack and........

Voila, the 3808ci lit up "DTS HD MSTR." Guess this means the manual meant for DTS HD to mean both DTS HD High Res (lossy) and Master Audio (lossless)."

I feel better...

thanks DD & DB
I am also upgrading from a Yamaha receiver with .2 sub outs.
As DD said I can split the rci out but was wondering if the xlr can be split into two rci female connectors with out messing anything up. guess I will have to play with it. I'll let you know what works best
Ross

From tingbro over on the 2500 thread -

"Just hooked up my 2500 to my 3808ci. Picked it up yesterday at Magnolia in Santa Clara, CA.

Set HDMI settings to multi channel and audio to HD Audio output as relayed to me by buddy Big Playa. Put in Live Free Die Hard and selected the DTS MA soundtrack and........

Voila, the 3808ci lit up "DTS HD MSTR." Guess this means the manual meant for DTS HD to mean both DTS HD High Res (lossy) and Master Audio (lossless)."

I feel better...

that is awesome...

now i shall curse you as i ponder actually swapping the bd30 for the denon in my Q setup :eek:

thanks DD & DB
I am also upgrading from a Yamaha receiver with .2 sub outs.
As DD said I can split the rci out but was wondering if the xlr can be split into two rci female connectors with out messing anything up. guess I will have to play with it. I'll let you know what works best
Ross

my plan is to eventually (probably within the next 6mos) get one or more amps and jettison the z9...only drawback is my "presence speakers" would then become useless :(

heads up ron, the denon 2500 appears to suffer the same problem with bass being 5db low on pcm output via hdmi :(

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12914793&postcount=4754

my plan is to eventually (probably within the next 6mos) get one or more amps and jettison the z9...only drawback is my "presence speakers" would then become useless :(

BD,

I'll be happy to store them in my bedroom. ;) So when I move my BD10 to the bedroom, I'll be all set for 7.1 with two more speakers.

For those of you that like to take a lot of pictures in a short period of time, here is a camera that can do just that :D

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/01/prweb643061.htm

heads up ron, the denon 2500 appears to suffer the same problem with bass being 5db low on pcm output via hdmi :(

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12914793&postcount=4754

Thanks BD -I was keen to that. It seems that the Panny and Denon might share same/similar chips. I'm curious to see if/when/how this might be addressed.

The kids are in bed so I can't give the unit a proper demo. It does look nice and has nice weight. It takes about 30 seconds to load and the tray opens and closes nicely. It has the feel of a solid machine. I have to play with it and the 5308CI more tomorrow.

BD,

I'll be happy to store them in my bedroom. ;) So when I move my BD10 to the bedroom, I'll be all set for 7.1 with two more speakers.

if i can't use them i'd certainly be happy to ship them out to you...it would be much better than sitting around collecting dust and attracting the ire of my wife ;)

Thanks BD -I was keen to that. It seems that the Panny and Denon might share same/similar chips. I'm curious to see if/when/how this might be addressed.

The kids are in bed so I can't give the unit a proper demo. It does look nice and has nice weight. It takes about 30 seconds to load and the tray opens and closes nicely. It has the feel of a solid machine. I have to play with it and the 5308CI more tomorrow.

as someone else properly pointed out in either the bd30 or denon 2500 thread, i think it is easily correctable in the denon since it only has hdmi out...in the panasonic, there are also analog outs and apparently if you bump the pcm lfe output to compensate for the -5db then you are making the bd30's analog lfe output +5db too hot!

i think it would be simple to add a menu option but panny may want a better solution than putting the burden on the consumer to know which output he/she is using and what setting to use for that output ...

i'd be really curious to know if, as some are speculating, the denon is a rebadged panny...

as someone else properly pointed out in either the bd30 or denon 2500 thread, i think it is easily correctable in the denon since it only has hdmi out...in the panasonic, there are also analog outs and apparently if you bump the pcm lfe output to compensate for the -5db then you are making the bd30's analog lfe output +5db too hot!

We are indeed perusing the same threads (the 2500 in this case).

For those interested -

"I just want to clarify something. I am not sure but probably concur that the Denon may share some of the Pannys internals and circuits. I do not think this is absolute though. It may just be a problem with the chipset they are both using. I will emphatically say this though, the Panny and Denon are nothing alike internally.

I posted earlier today I took the top of a shipment damaged Denon. I made some good notes of what I saw. I also took the top off of my Panny later today. Its not close folks. I think many on here want to just say the Denon is a Panny in fancy clothing. Well if you consider the massive floating transport upgrade, better power supply, innovative cooling for noise reduction as just a few of the things I noticed as much different, then other than that, they may be the same. I know the Panny is a good player and I love it, but its not even close to the same league as the Denon for build quality. That is what you are paying for here. It cost money to add these things and I do not think the Denon is a rip off by any means."

When is father's day this year?



http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/25/lawnbott-lb3500-offers-bluetooth-control-stylin-rims/

When is father's day this year?

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/25/lawnbott-lb3500-offers-bluetooth-control-stylin-rims/

That's June 15, and the middle of lawn mowing season. Now Valentines Day is coming up soon :D

I am starting to wonder, with my new BD30, if it may be time to get rid of my Meridian 568 for something like the Integra DTC-9.8? It seems to have everything. I wonder if I would still have the LFE issue though? But most important, would I gain anything from the new Audio modes and will it sound any near as good as my Meridian on CD's, etc? The Integra is about 30% of the cost of the Meridian, if that, and you don't get something for nothing!

I am starting to wonder . . .

mpsan,

This HDV stuff is really addicting. The lossless codec’s on the HDV's are fantastic and listening to a true 7.1 is something to behold. You will still have the LFE issue until a fix comes out. You can do a workaround of sorts by turning up the sub, either at the sub or setting a preset in the amp.

I am starting to wonder, with my new BD30, if it may be time to get rid of my Meridian 568 for something like the Integra DTC-9.8? It seems to have everything. I wonder if I would still have the LFE issue though? But most important, would I gain anything from the new Audio modes and will it sound any near as good as my Meridian on CD's, etc? The Integra is about 30% of the cost of the Meridian, if that, and you don't get something for nothing!

if you are bitstreaming the advanced audio codecs then you will NOT have the lfe issue...as i understand it, it exists only when you are bitstreaming a PCM track off the disc itself (e.g., most disney movies use LPCM as their main sound track).

i presume your meridian is a pre/pro? what amp(s) do you use? maybe you can get the dtc-9.8, try it out and if it is comparable *then* sell the merdian...or, keep both which is what i usually do and therefore why i have so much stuff accumulating in my home :)

mpsan,

This HDV stuff is really addicting. The lossless codec’s on the HDV's are fantastic and listening to a true 7.1 is something to behold. You will still have the LFE issue until a fix comes out. You can do a workaround of sorts by turning up the sub, either at the sub or setting a preset in the amp.

Actually, my sub has a remote. I can set it +5 db and then I can hit normal to revert back. I do not have 7.1 now...just 5.1..not sure if the other two channels would matter.

if you are bitstreaming the advanced audio codecs then you will NOT have the lfe issue...as i understand it, it exists only when you are bitstreaming a PCM track off the disc itself (e.g., most disney movies use LPCM as their main sound track).

i presume your meridian is a pre/pro? what amp(s) do you use? maybe you can get the dtc-9.8, try it out and if it is comparable *then* sell the merdian...or, keep both which is what i usually do and therefore why i have so much stuff accumulating in my home :)


Yes, I have lots of "old" computer stuff at home too! Even an Apple [] + as well as others. Even an original IBM PC.

I notice the Elton 60 DVD is PCM only and that is what started me thinking. However, I wonder if the PCM days are numbered.

Nothing says valentine's day like the gift of av components :).

I do not have 7.1 now...just 5.1..not sure if the other two channels would matter.

The extra two channels will matter but how much? I have not heard enough 7.1 source material to judge just yet.
But isn't more always better?:)

You also should consider your current setup. If I had my seating area pressed up against a back wall for example I personally would be less enthusiastic then if the rear wall was back a few feet or more. I like a little spacing but ask others as I do not consider myself an expert on anything audio - not to say I won't have opinions though.

I would like to hear other opinions myself.

The extra two channels will matter but how much? I have not heard enough 7.1 source material to judge just yet.
But isn't more always better?:)

You also should consider your current setup. If I had my seating area pressed up against a back wall for example I personally would be less enthusiastic then if the rear wall was back a few feet or more. I like a little spacing but ask others as I do not consider myself an expert on anything audio - not to say I won't have opinions though.

I would like to hear other opinions myself.


Yes, our seating is several feet from the rear wall.
At any rate, I may just wait 'til this BD30 LFE issue is resolved. It seems that even with the Integra 9.8 I would still have issues on PCM only BR's like Elton 60.

Yes, our seating is several feet from the rear wall.


You got it made. More and more BD's are coming out in discrete 6.1 and 7.1, but you can always process the rear channels out of 5.1. And the added fullness to the soundstage is nice.

BD,

I am starting to think I am very happy with my BD10 and may not get the BD50. I don't have problems playing any disks and the BD10 can pass through the following using the 7.1 analog outputs:

Uncompressed PCM
Dolby Digital
Dolby Digital Plus
Dolby TrueHD
DTS
DTS-HD High Resolution
The only one it can't do is DTS-HD Master Audio.

But if the 50 comes out without problems, I may get it anyway.

You got it made. More and more BD's are coming out in discrete 6.1 and 7.1, but you can always process the rear channels out of 5.1. And the added fullness to the soundstage is nice.


Well, as I said, I may wait a bit and see how this all sounds. My BD30 is like my Q006 lamp hours...in fact we have seen only 1 BR movie on it so far!!

We hope that will change this weekend!

BD,

I am starting to think I am very happy with my BD10 and may not get the BD50. I don't have problems playing any disks and the BD10 can pass through the following using the 7.1 analog outputs:

Uncompressed PCM
Dolby Digital
Dolby Digital Plus
Dolby TrueHD
DTS
DTS-HD High Resolution
The only one it can't do is DTS-HD Master Audio.

But if the 50 comes out without problems, I may get it anyway.

if it ain't broke don't fix it :)

haven't some 1.1 profile titles given the bd10 some trouble?

did you get the new saw title, which is 2.0 profile?

if it ain't broke don't fix it :)

haven't some 1.1 profile titles given the bd10 some trouble?

did you get the new saw title, which is 2.0 profile?

Not a problem with any titles on my player, and I usually get the latest. Although I am still waiting on Resident Evil Extinction and Sunshine from our friends at Netflix. I have Shoot 'Em Up to watch tonight.

I watched Saw IV last night (2.0) and not a problem. It starts off very gory (considering I was trying to eat pizza :eek:) and answers the story about Jigsaw. It was done in a little different style than the previous Saw's.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12792469#post12792469

I have seen the light (actually heard the light). I was under the impression that DTS-HD HR was a sub set of DTS-HD MA. It is actually an encoding of its own. I was thinking I would get 7.1 out of a DTS-HD MA since my BD10 could decode HR, but I was wrong. I only got 5.1 out of Saw IV (MA) and I tested Shoot 'Em Up (MA) today and only get the 5.1 DTS core. I can get 7.1 out of 3:10 because it is LPCM.

So now I am back in the market for the BD50 and maybe a new A/V Processor.

Well, my hat is of to Sony and the repair guys at Starpower in Dallas. I got great service from the Qualia Concierge desk and the repair was done in less that 2 weeks from when I reported it. What a difference a new optical block can make. My eyes were starting to believe that green was the natural color of everything. I would be really curious of how many sets have this issue. Since my repair guy has done several in the Dallas area, it has to be a bunch. I cleared my warranty by 6 days (thanks to this site) but I sure will sleep better now that I also have a Sony extended warranty.

Well, my hat is of to Sony and the repair guys at Starpower in Dallas. What a difference a new optical block can make. My eyes were starting to believe that green was the natural color of everything.

texas_buff,

That is great news :) Did Daniel do the work? Before I had mine fixed, I was starting to think all concrete buildings and roads were tinted green.

would you tell us what is the production date on your Q please?
Is your s an early production?

Daniel did do the repair and noted he had done several. Not a good sign for units that are still in good working order. Seems like Sony must be getting wise to the issue because the were very accommodating, got the parts quickly, and they did several follow-ups. Seems like they should consider extending the warranty period. As for production date, it was one of the early ones and was delivered about this time 3 years ago - just in time for the Superbowl.

would you tell us what is the production date on your Q please?
Is your s an early production?

Not sure who you are asking, but mine is Feb. 2005.

mpsan and BenDover,

I have joined you guys in BD30 ownership. It will be here next week. It all started when I ordered a Pio Elite 94 a few days ago and decided I needed something to feed DTS-HD MA to it with. I just didn't have the will power to wait for the BD50 in May or June. Sound familiar BD :D

mpsan and BenDover,

I have joined you guys in BD30 ownership. It will be here next week. It all started when I ordered a Pio Elite 94 a few days ago and decided I needed something to feed DTS-HD MA to it with. I just didn't have the will power to wait for the BD50 in May or June. Sound familiar BD :D

yes, all too much so :)

good luck...i'm sure you will love it...

i actually called a local shop earlier to see if they had a denon 2500 in stock :eek: glad they said no :o

mpsan and BenDover,

I have joined you guys in BD30 ownership. It will be here next week. It all started when I ordered a Pio Elite 94 a few days ago and decided I needed something to feed DTS-HD MA to it with. I just didn't have the will power to wait for the BD50 in May or June. Sound familiar BD :D

I still like my BD30. I wish there was no LFE issue, but I can not play multi channel PCM anyway. I created an open post for Panasonic as I KNOW they read the thread. I did not want to post there, but they told me that we were a few hundred people making a lot of people on the forum concerned. He told me to just switch to the DD or DTS tracks, as all the DVD's had them.

I then told him to look at Elton 60. It had PCM 2.0 and PCM 5.1 ONLY!

yes, all too much so :)

good luck...i'm sure you will love it...

i actually called a local shop earlier to see if they had a denon 2500 in stock :eek: glad they said no :o

Still trying to figure out if an Integra 9.8 would be good to replace my Meridian? It may be a good time to just wait and see what happens in the next 6 months!

OH...I forgot, I did resolve my BluRay flashing issue. I had the Q set to Vivid! I since changed to pro.

Still trying to figure out if an Integra 9.8 would be good to replace my Meridian? It may be a good time to just wait and see what happens in the next 6 months!

OH...I forgot, I did resolve my BluRay flashing issue. I had the Q set to Vivid! I since changed to pro.

i don't know how the DACs in the Integra match up with your Meridian but there does appear to be many people who have switched from higher priced gear and not looked back with remorse.

as for your flashing, i'm glad that switching away from vivid fixed it, but to be very honest, that would still concern me as i wouldn't expect to see ANY FLASHING no matter what my settings were :confused:

i don't know how the DACs in the Integra match up with your Meridian but there does appear to be many people who have switched from higher priced gear and not looked back with remorse.

as for your flashing, i'm glad that switching away from vivid fixed it, but to be very honest, that would still concern me as i wouldn't expect to see ANY FLASHING no matter what my settings were :confused:

Yes, I agree with the flashing issue. I believe the Vivid does a lot with sharpness, etc as well. It was only on one scene whenever they were in the hallway. The thing I keep seeing about the Integra is that it will not do 2 ch analog as well as the Higher priced spreads. But, I must admit to not playing with normal CD's much anymore! Actually, the dealer where I bought the Q has Integra...maybe I can take one to try?

Now, will PCM over HDMI have the LFE Bug? Will PCM over Coax have it? I believe that Analog out of the BD30 will NOT have the bug, but my Meridian does not have 5.1 analog!

I assume that an HDMI from the BD30 to the Integra 9.8 and then to the Q would not mess up the Video quality!

Now, will PCM over HDMI have the LFE Bug? Will PCM over Coax have it? I believe that Analog out of the BD30 will NOT have the bug, but my Meridian does not have 5.1 analog!

I assume that an HDMI from the BD30 to the Integra 9.8 and then to the Q would not mess up the Video quality!

The PCM over HDMI will have the LFE problem. If you can send it bitstream and let the Integra decode it, you will be OK. Just that some movies use LPCM for the loseless tract and don't have TRUE HD or DTS-HD. Don't know about the Coax.

But you would need to get the Integra first, you know you want one :D Or I can point you to a really good deal on a Pio Elite 94 that you could use as a preamp.

The PCM over HDMI will have the LFE problem. If you can send it bitstream and let the Integra decode it, you will be OK. Just that some movies use LPCM for the loseless tract and don't have TRUE HD or DTS-HD. Don't know about the Coax.

I can, and do, send bitstream now over coax to my Meridian. I guess I could output HDMI from the bd30 to the Integra, and then the video on to the Q.

Perhaps that is the way to go, with 5.1 analog from the BD30 to the Integra. Then I can select the input, somehow, on the Integra so PCM will come from the BD30 Analog. Of course the BD30 does not have 7.1 analog, but, for now, I only have 5.1.

I can, and do, send bitstream now over coax to my Meridian. I guess I could output HDMI from the bd30 to the Integra, and then the video on to the Q.

Perhaps that is the way to go, with 5.1 analog from the BD30 to the Integra. Then I can select the input, somehow, on the Integra so PCM will come from the BD30 Analog. Of course the BD30 does not have 7.1 analog, but, for now, I only have 5.1.

Don't know how the Integra handles passing HDMI video while processing analog input. The Pio Elite's won't, at least I haven't been able to figure it out on either my 72 or 84, and I believe the 94 is the same. If I feed HDMI to the Pio 94 for it to feed on, I can not choose mulit channel analog input. It expects the audio to come from the HDMI source. What I am going to do is use both my BD10 and BD30. The BD10 will have HDMI to the 006 and 7.1 analogs to the 94 (for LPCM movies). The BD30 will feed HDMI to the 94 for video pass thru to the 006 and audio processing (bitstream for non-LPCM movies like DTS-HD MA)

Don't know how the Integra handles passing HDMI video while processing analog input. The Pio Elite's won't, at least I haven't been able to figure it out on either my 72 or 84, and I believe the 94 is the same. If I feed HDMI to the Pio 94 for it to feed on, I can not choose mulit channel analog input. It expects the audio to come from the HDMI source. What I am going to do is use both my BD10 and BD30. The BD10 will have HDMI to the 006 and 7.1 analogs to the 94 (for LPCM movies). The BD30 will feed HDMI to the 94 for video pass thru to the 006 and audio processing (bitstream for non-LPCM movies like DTS-HD MA)

Well, if I do go to something like the Integra 9.8, I may just use HDMI and boost the bass (my sub itself has a remote and a button to reset to default) for the PCM. I do see that most dvd's do not rely on pcm for the HD Audio.

I know that at least one Q006 poster here has the Integra 9.8. I wonder how they connect to the Q?

I know that at least one Q006 poster here has the Integra 9.8. I wonder how they connect to the Q?

He's probably out searching for an all-night A/V store :D

Well, if I do go to something like the Integra 9.8, I may just use HDMI and boost the bass (my sub itself has a remote and a button to reset to default) for the PCM. I do see that most dvd's do not rely on pcm for the HD Audio.

I know that at least one Q006 poster here has the Integra 9.8. I wonder how they connect to the Q?

He's probably out searching for an all-night A/V store :D

hey guys, sorry my wife and daughter were away for the weekend and my son and i have been "boying" the entire weekend :)

i don't have *any* analog running into the integra right now; any analog outputs i have are passing through my Zektor MAS7.1 on to my RX-Z9, which is pulling duty as an amp these days. so, i have not had the occasion to see if the integra can output video via hdmi while passing analog inputs out.

essentially, all components first go through one of my zektor switches, hdmi5.1 or mas7.1, with hdmi output of both of these going to a hdmi input on the integra (still have one more hdmi input open on the integra but with the switching provided by the two zektors, it might not ever have to use it unless i just run something straight to the integra). from the integra the hdmi video output goes directly to the Q and the 7.1 analog audio outputs from the integra go to my rx-z9 for amplification via its "7.1 pure direct" analog so as to avoid any more ADC/DAC conversions...

sounds simple, doesn't it :)

hey guys, sorry my wife and daughter were away for the weekend and my son and i have been "boying" the entire weekend :)

i don't have *any* analog running into the integra right now; any analog outputs i have are passing through my Zektor MAS7.1 on to my RX-Z9, which is pulling duty as an amp these days. so, i have not had the occasion to see if the integra can output video via hdmi while passing analog inputs out.

essentially, all components first go through one of my zektor switches, hdmi5.1 or mas7.1, with hdmi output of both of these going to a hdmi input on the integra (still have one more hdmi input open on the integra but with the switching provided by the two zektors, it might not ever have to use it unless i just run something straight to the integra). from the integra the hdmi video output goes directly to the Q and the 7.1 analog audio outputs from the integra go to my rx-z9 for amplification via its "7.1 pure direct" analog so as to avoid any more ADC/DAC conversions...

sounds simple, doesn't it :)

So, in my case...IF I go for the Integra, I would run HDMI from the BD30 to the 9.8 and then to the Q. Then select HDMI Audio ON in the BD30. I would run XLR from the 9.8 to the AMP. For PCM, I could just raise the sub a little for the few times I use PCM. Does that sound right?

Also, are you getting any clicks, or hum? Some say the 9.8 takes a second if you change modes, or the DVD changes modes from menu to movie? Do you see that?

Finally...what is everyone using for some setup on BluRay? I see no DVE yet, but there is supposed to be a code on Sony dvd's? Not sure I have seen that and are they on all Sony Blu dvd's?

So, in my case...IF I go for the Integra, I would run HDMI from the BD30 to the 9.8 and then to the Q. Then select HDMI Audio ON in the BD30. I would run XLR from the 9.8 to the AMP. For PCM, I could just raise the sub a little for the few times I use PCM. Does that sound right?

Also, are you getting any clicks, or hum? Some say the 9.8 takes a second if you change modes, or the DVD changes modes from menu to movie? Do you see that?

Finally...what is everyone using for some setup on BluRay? I see no DVE yet, but there is supposed to be a code on Sony dvd's? Not sure I have seen that and are they on all Sony Blu dvd's?

the setup for you and the integra sounds right to me....

as for calibrating the blu-ray players, or hd dvd for that matter, i don't touch anything and just rely on my original umr calibration for the most part...i'm lazy in that regard :)

Finally...what is everyone using for some setup on BluRay? I see no DVE yet, but there is supposed to be a code on Sony dvd's? Not sure I have seen that and are they on all Sony Blu dvd's?

I don't think there is one for Blu-ray. There is one for HD DVD. But on any SONY Blu-ray, when the menu comes up, enter 7669 (spells SONY) and one will come up for adjustments. You can use the wheel or FF to move to the next calibration screen.

Watched King of California Blu-ray last night. I really enjoyed it. It involved SCUBA diving :cool:

It only had DTS 5.1 and DD 5.1 sound tracks, but didn't need anything else. I thought it was a good story.

Also, are you getting any clicks, or hum? Some say the 9.8 takes a second if you change modes, or the DVD changes modes from menu to movie? Do you see that?


The 9 year old Integra I have did that. There was always a clunk out of one speaker whenever it changed modes. That is one of the reasons I went to Pio Elite's.

the setup for you and the integra sounds right to me....

as for calibrating the blu-ray players, or hd dvd for that matter, i don't touch anything and just rely on my original umr calibration for the most part...i'm lazy in that regard :)

Thank you. I think I will call the place I got the Q and see what/if he will do anything on the 9.8. Perhaps I can take a new one and if it is not what I expected I can return it? I would hate to take a demo, and then if it is OK, have to rewire it all over again for a new one.

I don't think there is one for Blu-ray. There is one for HD DVD. But on any SONY Blu-ray, when the menu comes up, enter 7669 (spells SONY) and one will come up for adjustments. You can use the wheel or FF to move to the next calibration screen.

OK...need to see if I have any Sony BR's.

The 9 year old Integra I have did that. There was always a clunk out of one speaker whenever it changed modes. That is one of the reasons I went to Pio Elite's.

I would hate that. BD do you get clicks/clunks?

I would hate that. BD do you get clicks/clunks?

mp, sorry i missed that part of your question...

no, i have not experienced any clicks/clunk/noises of any kind. if the hdmi handshake is lost anywhere in the chain audio does cut out but i believe that is what is supposed to happen according to hdmi/hdcp.

mp, sorry i missed that part of your question...

no, i have not experienced any clicks/clunk/noises of any kind. if the hdmi handshake is lost anywhere in the chain audio does cut out but i believe that is what is supposed to happen according to hdmi/hdcp.

OK, but what had been on some forum is that when you stop a dvd and resume, or if the dvd's menu is not surround and the main movie is DTS, etc, every time you go to the main menu there is a delay for the Integra to lock on. This can be a pain when choosing extras like deleted scenes.

At any rate, from all that I see, it seems that if I had HDMI from the BD30 to an Integra 9.8, with the BD30 in bitstream, I would then get ALL of the new HD audio...including PCM (with the required LFE "Issue"). OH, have you used the auto room EQ and did you think it helped?

OK, but what had been on some forum is that when you stop a dvd and resume, or if the dvd's menu is not surround and the main movie is DTS, etc, every time you go to the main menu there is a delay for the Integra to lock on. This can be a pain when choosing extras like deleted scenes.

At any rate, from all that I see, it seems that if I had HDMI from the BD30 to an Integra 9.8, with the BD30 in bitstream, I would then get ALL of the new HD audio...including PCM (with the required LFE "Issue"). OH, have you used the auto room EQ and did you think it helped?

my post from yesterday didn't survive the server meltdown...

since i only playback BD in this player, and therefore only call up the "pop-up menu" (in movie menus), i have not had any issue with audio locking on.

that being said, yes, this unit takes a bit longer to lock onto a new audio signal...this doesn't bother me but it is longer than usual.

there is a good, raving, review of the Integra DTC-9.8 by Secrets (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/processor-receiver-product-reviews/ssps/integra-dtc-9.8-thx-ultra2-7.1-ssp.html)and they do mention the audio lock on time but otherwise highly recommend it.

BTW, there is also a review by Kris Deering on Secrets of the Panasonic BD-30 (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cd-dvd-player-product-reviews/dvd-players/panasonic-dmp-bd30-blu-ray-player-benchmark-review.html)(lousy SD DVD playback...but again, i don't use it for SD).

oh, and no on the Audyssey EQ...been meaning to but haven't found the time or the quiet environment. Also, i've been trying to figure out if my audio calibration by umr on my RX-Z9 is all that i need when i use the Z9 as an amp and select "pure direct" model (i.e., no DSP applied).

mpsan,

Have you checked to see if Cinema Black Pro is set to ON in the setup menu?

Hey everyone, first post on this forum. so please bear with me. I have a 70in Sony Qualia KDS-07Q006. I bought it brand new about 2 years ago, Since then it has gone threw 4 bulbs, and now needing the 5th bulb. my problem isnt just the bulb, i would like an answer from sony on why my 13k tv is blowing threw this many bulbs and the problem hasnt been fixed. could anyone help me out. Thank you very much!

Hey everyone, first post on this forum. so please bear with me. I have a 70in Sony Qualia KDS-07Q006. I bought it brand new about 2 years ago, Since then it has gone threw 4 bulbs, and now needing the 5th bulb. my problem isnt just the bulb, i would like an answer from sony on why my 13k tv is blowing threw this many bulbs and the problem hasnt been fixed. could anyone help me out. Thank you very much!

Welcome to the 006 thread, I would guess you have a jacked up Ford ( I mean that in a good way ) :cool:

So a couple of questions:


How many hours did each bulb last?
Did they burn out or just get dim?
Is the 006 turned on and off frequently?
Do you have power problems at your house - outages, voltage spikes, brownouts, ets . . .

my post from yesterday didn't survive the server meltdown...

since i only playback BD in this player, and therefore only call up the "pop-up menu" (in movie menus), i have not had any issue with audio locking on.

that being said, yes, this unit takes a bit longer to lock onto a new audio signal...this doesn't bother me but it is longer than usual.

there is a good, raving, review of the Integra DTC-9.8 by Secrets (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/processor-receiver-product-reviews/ssps/integra-dtc-9.8-thx-ultra2-7.1-ssp.html)and they do mention the audio lock on time but otherwise highly recommend it.

BTW, there is also a review by Kris Deering on Secrets of the Panasonic BD-30 (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cd-dvd-player-product-reviews/dvd-players/panasonic-dmp-bd30-blu-ray-player-benchmark-review.html)(lousy SD DVD playback...but again, i don't use it for SD).

oh, and no on the Audyssey EQ...been meaning to but haven't found the time or the quiet environment. Also, i've been trying to figure out if my audio calibration by umr on my RX-Z9 is all that i need when i use the Z9 as an amp and select "pure direct" model (i.e., no DSP applied).

Thank you. Yes, I have seen those reviews. Also, I plan on using my Sony 975 for SD.

mpsan,

Have you checked to see if Cinema Black Pro is set to ON in the setup menu?

I will check to see what I have. I need to make a list of my current settings!

[QUOTE=divedude;13012904]Don't know how the Integra handles passing HDMI video while processing analog input. The Pio Elite's won't, at least I haven't been able to figure it out on either my 72 or 84, and I believe the 94 is the same. If I feed HDMI to the Pio 94 for it to feed on, I can not choose mulit channel analog input. It expects the audio to come from the HDMI source. QUOTE]

Revision to the above statement - after reading the manual for my 94 that is hopefully going to arrive tomorrow, it appears a new feature will let me assign a HDMI video input while listening to analog audio. I would like that because I could take a HDMI switch and a cable out.

And it appears this is a work around for the BD30 LFE issue. :)

[QUOTE=divedude;13012904]Don't know how the Integra handles passing HDMI video while processing analog input. The Pio Elite's won't, at least I haven't been able to figure it out on either my 72 or 84, and I believe the 94 is the same. If I feed HDMI to the Pio 94 for it to feed on, I can not choose mulit channel analog input. It expects the audio to come from the HDMI source. QUOTE]

Revision to the above statement - after reading the manual for my 94 that is hopefully going to arrive tomorrow, it appears a new feature will let me assign a HDMI video input while listening to analog audio. I would like that because I could take a HDMI switch and a cable out.

And it appears this is a work around for the DB30 LFE issue. :)


DD is there an LFE issue? :D

That sounds good re: the 94. I had thought you had it already. I had also assumed that any unit would allow HDMI video and analog in...I guess not!

[QUOTE=divedude;13049497]


DD is there an LFE issue? :D

That sounds good re: the 94. I had thought you had it already. I had also assumed that any unit would allow HDMI video and analog in...I guess not!

The previous Elites would not let me watch HDMI while listening to another source, but the new one does according to page 69 of the manual.

Free shipping = 10 day delivery :rolleyes: I have my BD30 all setup and ready to go.

Lots of Friendly Engagements on the BD30 thread :D

[QUOTE=mpsan;13049530]

The previous Elites would not let me watch HDMI while listening to another source, but the new one does according to page 69 of the manual.

Free shipping = 10 day delivery :rolleyes: I have my BD30 all setup and ready to go.

Lots of Friendly Engagements on the BD30 thread :D

Let me know how it all sounds! I will have to look at page 69.

heh, this helps me stick to my guns re not spending more than $1K for future players...oh the insanity...



...

All - The next player announced will be 'uber' hi-end if you think the 3800 @ $2k, think DVD-5910 expensive...

heh, this helps me stick to my guns re not spending more than $1K for future players...oh the insanity...

All - The next player announced will be 'uber' hi-end if you think the 3800 @ $2k, think DVD-5910 expensive...


At that price, it would have to be 3D Blu-ray ;)

At that price, it would have to be 3D Blu-ray ;)

3D Blu-ray! OH, wait 'til I get on the other thread. I can say I saw a mention in another forum about 3D BR, and ask if anyone knows when it will be available! :D

[QUOTE=mpsan;13049530]

The previous Elites would not let me watch HDMI while listening to another source, but the new one does according to page 69 of the manual.

Free shipping = 10 day delivery :rolleyes: I have my BD30 all setup and ready to go.

Lots of Friendly Engagements on the BD30 thread :D

Looks like we may get some help from Panasonic. I had sent an email to them but added some extra info and some additional "stuff". I did not want to put that on the forum.

[QUOTE=divedude;13049896]

Looks like we may get some help from Pioneer. I had sent an email to them but added some extra info and some additional "stuff". I did not want to put that on the forum.

A year ago, it was the Elite 84 taking the heat for low LFE. Pio came out with a firmware fix and all was well.

My 94 arrived today, so I will be swapping it in tomorrow and doing the setup.

Mini Dive was rummaging through the electronics boxes I have opened in the last few days and found a snack. I guess he can't read very well :eek:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f200/divedude/MiniDiveSnack.jpg

Mini Dive was rummaging through the electronics boxes I have opened in the last few days and found a snack. I guess he can't read very well :eek:



his mask must be fogged up :)

does any one knows which optical manufacture made the lens assembly for the Q?

does any one knows which optical manufacture made the lens assembly for the Q?

Can't say for sure, but here is a picture taken of the internal workings of the Optical Block :D

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f200/divedude/Opticalblock.jpg

well, here is a new toy that will be used to care for my other toys...will be a while before i get this in my rack though...

http://www.liebert.com/product_pages/Product.aspx?id=56

6kVA should be enough to keep things running for a while :)

well, here is a new toy that will be used to care for my other toys...will be a while before i get this in my rack though...

http://www.liebert.com/product_pages/Product.aspx?id=56

6kVA should be enough to keep things running for a while :)

COOL :cool: I have two 1.5 KVA's, each with 4 batteries just for my primary A/V. They can keep it running for at least 20 minutes. Long enough to get my generator fired up. I have a total of 8 UPS around the house, so I definitely believe in them.

quick comment, i watched Hellboy on the Panny 30K last night with my son and it has 5.1PCM track.

There appeared to be *plenty* of base...at times I even lowered the volume in anticipation of my wife yelling down to please lower the volume b/c the floors are shaking. If this was -5db, I'm afraid to watch it when/if this LFE issue gets fixed :)

(NOTE: posting it here as this is a touchy topic in the 30K thread and it doesn't need any more pot-stirring :))

quick comment, i watched Hellboy on the Panny 30K last night with my son and it has 5.1PCM track.

There appeared to be *plenty* of base...at times I even lowered the volume in anticipation of my wife yelling down to please lower the volume b/c the floors are shaking. If this was -5db, I'm afraid to watch it when/if this LFE issue gets fixed :)

(NOTE: posting it here as this is a touchy topic in the 30K thread and it doesn't need any more pot-stirring :))

It needs to be fixed, but it is not the "End of the World" issue they make it out to be. A simple adjustment can be made when needed to get it close. The amazing thing is all the people asking for explinations of what the problem is on various threads. If they don't notice the problem without being told what to look for, it can't be that bad. Not the same class of problem as the 5000 only playing DTS HD in stereo. :eek:

LFE is used to various levels on diferent movies. I think a lot depends on the way the movie was mixed. In the case of Hellboy, there are a lot of sound effects. More of the base could have been sent to the sub and not just the LFE channel. I like this explanation; it helped me to understand what is going on with the LFE channel:

http://www.dolby.com/assets/pdf/tech_library/38_LFE.pdf

In comparison to your movie, I watched the Wall Street Blu-ray last night. It is DTS-HD Master Audio. I played it on the BD30, and sent it bitstream to the 94 for decoding (no LFE loss). There was very little base output of any kind since the movie was mostly dialogue, so there wouldn't have been an LFE issue no matter how it was played. ;)

It needs to be fixed, but it is not the "End of the World" issue they make it out to be. A simple adjustment can be made when needed to get it close. The amazing thing is all the people asking for explinations of what the problem is on various threads. If they don't notice the problem without being told what to look for, it can't be that bad. Not the same class of problem as the 5000 only playing DTS HD in stereo. :eek:

LFE is used to various levels on diferent movies. I think a lot depends on the way the movie was mixed. In the case of Hellboy, there are a lot of sound effects. More of the base could have been sent to the sub and not just the LFE channel. I like this explanation; it helped me to understand what is going on with the LFE channel:

http://www.dolby.com/assets/pdf/tech_library/38_LFE.pdf

In comparison to your movie, I watched the Wall Street Blu-ray last night. It is DTS-HD Master Audio. I played it on the BD30, and sent it bitstream to the 94 for decoding (no LFE loss). There was very little base output of any kind since the movie was mostly dialogue, so there wouldn't have been an LFE issue no matter how it was played. ;)

glad to hear you got your new toy up and running!!

btw, doesn't appear as though there will be much of a need for the samsung 5K:

http://www.cepro.com/article/netflix_to_drop_hd_dvd_discs_will_only_rent_blu_ray/

Netflix is dropping HD DVD support!

glad to hear you got your new toy up and running!!

btw, doesn't appear as though there will be much of a need for the samsung 5K:

http://www.cepro.com/article/netflix_to_drop_hd_dvd_discs_will_only_rent_blu_ray/

Netflix is dropping HD DVD support!

I got my notice in the mail also. And just when I was thinking about getting the A35 to replace my A2. Another nail in the coffin, I think the lid is about closed.

I got my notice in the mail also. And just when I was thinking about getting the A35 to replace my A2. Another nail in the coffin, I think the lid is about closed.

The fat lady be singin';)

Just read that Best Buy will be phasing out HD DVD as well and changing their heretofore "neutral" stance on the previous hi-def war to "recommending" Blu-Ray.

Penton-Man should be coming back any day now that the war is just about over ;)

Penton-Man should be coming back any day now that the war is just about over ;)

That would be Great :)

Called Sony for my extended warranty today; I hate dropping that much coin on a warranty as opposed to new gear but the alternative is unthinkable.

still no green issues of the sort that have caused others to have their OB's replaced; i only get the "green blob" in the cold months and only for a short while when the Q is warming up.

dd, do you also have a blockbuster subscription or only netflix?

i just signed up for a free trial at blockbuster; i like the idea of doing an in-store exchange at a local store...i always find myself on the weekends wishing i had that flexibility.

not sure what their service will be like but compared to what had been happening to me with netflix i am hopeful.

since dropping from four to one unlimited (and then bumping back up to 2 unlimited...one just isn't enough :)), service has been better...but everything still reads long wait for new releases.

i hope that one of the incentives offered to netflix was to up their allocation of copies for new bd releases!!! the logjam needs to be cleared :(

dd, do you also have a blockbuster subscription or only netflix?

i just signed up for a free trial at blockbuster; i like the idea of doing an in-store exchange at a local store...i always find myself on the weekends wishing i had that flexibility.

not sure what their service will be like but compared to what had been happening to me with netflix i am hopeful.

since dropping from four to one unlimited (and then bumping back up to 2 unlimited...one just isn't enough :)), service has been better...but everything still reads long wait for new releases.

i hope that one of the incentives offered to netflix was to up their allocation of copies for new bd releases!!! the logjam needs to be cleared :(

I've had pretty good experience w/Blockbuster. When I first signed-up, you had unlimited returns for the in-store swap. Now they have gone up a few bucks per month and I'm on a 5 swaps per month in-store. If I exceed the 5 swaps, they charge me 1.99 per flick. All in all, not a bad deal, and their service has been good. Once you make the store return and that movie is scanned at the counter, Blockbuster immediately mails you the next movie from your account movie queue, and emails you. I like that part too.

I've had pretty good experience w/Blockbuster. When I first signed-up, you had unlimited returns for the in-store swap. Now they have gone up a few bucks per month and I'm on a 5 swaps per month in-store. If I exceed the 5 swaps, they charge me 1.99 per flick. All in all, not a bad deal, and their service has been good. Once you make the store return and that movie is scanned at the counter, Blockbuster immediately mails you the next movie from your account movie queue, and emails you. I like that part too.

Yep, you just described the experience I'm looming forward to.

If they stock and deliver, ill drop netflix.

dd, do you also have a blockbuster subscription or only netflix?



No, just Netflix. I have been with them since they started and get a somewhat lower rate. It is a 12 mile drive each way to the local Blockbuster, so one movie is 48 miles. With the price of gas, it doesn't take much more to buy from Amazon. And the local BB doesn't have much selection in the way of HD movies.

I am hoping Netflix will start stocking more new blu-ray movies after their announcement yesterday :)

Netflix sent me 2 today - We Own the Night and a brand new The Game Plan, even though it is a few weeks since release.

No, just Netflix. I have been with them since they started and get a somewhat lower rate. It is a 12 mile drive each way to the local Blockbuster, so one movie is 48 miles. With the price of gas, it doesn't take much more to buy from Amazon. And the local BB doesn't have much selection in the way of HD movies.

I am hoping Netflix will start stocking more new blu-ray movies after their announcement yesterday :)

Netflix sent me 2 today - We Own the Night and a brand new The Game Plan, even though it is a few weeks since release.

Ah, for me I have two very large and well stocked blocbusters within 3mi of home.

You're getting two good titles.

I actually bought game plan this past weekend b/c my daughter had been home sick a few days and netflix came up short. Studios forcing buy vs rental. Gotta love capitalism ;)

Looks like the BD50 was released in Europe today. But it may only have 5.1 analogs :( If that is the case, I am good with my BD40 (BD10 + BD30) :D

http://panasonic.net/pavc/blu-ray/dmp-bd50/

Just had my bulb blow up. Luckily only the element shattered not the glass enclosure so nothing made it into the Q. A bit disconcerting though. The bulb still seemed to have plenty of life left but clearly its number had come up. I have my 1st bulb back in the Q and keeping things toasty :). I noticed there was a fog on the glass plate (inside the Q) that made me pretty worried but luckily it wiped off with moistened lens cloth.

I am tempted to go with BetterLamps.com as they have the bulb in stock while tvlampsforless said they expect a shipment in Friday. Anyone have any strong opinions?

Long live the Qs - I am coming to the witching hour of warranty expiration soon so I shall have to give Penton Man's suggestion a workout and give myself a few years of peace of mind.

Fyi this is the first bulb I have had to order only used my original (which is back in service at the moment) and the free replacement from Sony. I might just have to check bulb hours for the first time :).

I am tempted to go with BetterLamps.com as they have the bulb in stock while tvlampsforless said they expect a shipment in Friday. Anyone have any strong opinions?


Both places seem to be good sources. I ordered from TVlampsforless.

That would have been really cool if you were watching a movie with a big explosion just as the bulb exploded :cool:

Looks like the BD50 was released in Europe today. But it may only have 5.1 analogs :( If that is the case, I am good with my BD40 (BD10 + BD30) :D

http://panasonic.net/pavc/blu-ray/dmp-bd50/

interesting...the exact same day last year that they loosed the bd30 on europe.

the bd30 was then loosed on the us market in oct 2007...

can't find online manual??

Thanks I ordered from BetterLamps. I was a bit disappointed at their shipping charges/options. Basically with the added shipping surcharge (and limited shipping options) it makes sense to give TVlampsforless a try if they are in stock. I also thought the whole betterlamps checkout process was too convoluted and didn't seem as well designed as it should be.

Thanks I ordered from BetterLamps. I was a bit disappointed at their shipping charges/options. Basically with the added shipping surcharge (and limited shipping options) it makes sense to give TVlampsforless a try if they are in stock. I also thought the whole betterlamps checkout process was too convoluted and didn't seem as well designed as it should be.

My experience withTVlampsforless was excellent. I ordered standard shipping and got it in 4 days.

Looks like the BD50 was released in Europe today. But it may only have 5.1 analogs :( If that is the case, I am good with my BD40 (BD10 + BD30) :D

http://panasonic.net/pavc/blu-ray/dmp-bd50/

If the BD 50 does not have an LFE issue, then HDMI may be all that we need. Still, not sure I care about the extras in Profile 2 BR.

i'm confused now, i am reading that the bd50 WILL have internal decoding of the advanced audio codecs...this is contrary to what i was led to believe thus far.

had i known this i would have returned the bd30 and waited for the 50 :(

not having 7.1 analog out is a bummer and would make it totally complete, however, i only envision using the analog outs when i know i am going to be viewing the pip and would like to hear the audio as well :)

i'm confused now, i am reading that the bd50 WILL have internal decoding of the advanced audio codecs...this is contrary to what i was led to believe thus far.

had i known this i would have returned the bd30 and waited for the 50 :(

not having 7.1 analog out is a bummer and would make it totally complete, however, i only envision using the analog outs when i know i am going to be viewing the pip and would like to hear the audio as well :)

The internal decoding of all the formats was the main feature to allow use with analogs. This would have been the answer for folks without 1.3 receivers / amps. But without the full complement of analogs (7.1), it is a no sale for me.

If the BD 50 does not have an LFE issue, then HDMI may be all that we need. Still, not sure I care about the extras in Profile 2 BR.

I would be very surprized if the LFE issue has been fixed for the PCM through HDMI, since Panny only just started admitting to it being a problem on the 30. It likely won't have it from the analogs, but again it only has 5.1.

So I called SONY to purchase my extended warranty late this afternoon. I called 1-866-766-9259 and asked for Jessica. Jessica wasn't there, so I asked the guy if he could quote me a warranty. I gave him the Model Number KDS70Q006 and was quoted $359. I knew that wasn't right. Come to find out the model number was bringing up a Grand Wega in their data base. The guy didn't know what a Qualia was. He did say Jessica will be there in the morning, so I will call then. I am all for saving money, but would hate to find out my extended warranty was invalid when I needed it :eek:

Did anyone else have this kind of problem getting the Sony extended warranty?

So I call SONY this morning and asked for Jessica, but she was working with another customer. Another lady named Angelic(sp?) made me an offer for the 3 year warranty - $331, $28 less than yesterday. What's the deal, this is even lower :confused: Maybe I should have waited and called back next week, at some point they may pay me to take the warranty :D

I double verified this was for a Qualia 006, KDS70Q006. They had my serial number and purchase date. Even though they say I am covered for parts and labor, I really don't trust them. Why did they charge everyone else over $500?

I paid a little bit less for the 3yr extended warranty today. I grilled the person on the phone to be sure the Qualia was covered. I was transfered to this person from the Qualia support line (getting my first replacement bulb).

Parts/Labor covered for 3 years after my original warranty expired.

Good deal, IMHO.

John

John,

Thanks for the reply. I can't believe I am paranoid of saving money :rolleyes: But I will happily spend it on some Blu-rays, pizza and beer :D

So how many hours do you have on the bulb?

Hi,

Two years of very heavy use (at least 8 hours per day). I haven't checked the hours through the menu. Last night I noticed it was going dim and this morning, pop! I had a spare. I called Sony and asked them about the free replacement, they said yes and will overnite it to me when they are back in stock.

I cleaned the glass between the bulb and the TV, it was pretty dirty. With the new bulb, I'm in Qualia heaven!

This is a great TV........

Something has definitely changed I got mine from Jessica and the price was 305 (they said something about a 15% discount which of course was nice). Oddly I wasn't in their system despite having gotten my free replacement bulb. They used the shipping date (not the arrival date) for the warranty purpose.

[QUOTE]Something has definitely changed I got mine from Jessica and the price was 305 (they said something about a 15% discount which of course was nice)QUOTE]

Probably the only change is that the current warranty does not cover the optical block.:eek: Just kidding folks...move on...nothing to see here...

The internal decoding of all the formats was the main feature to allow use with analogs. This would have been the answer for folks without 1.3 receivers / amps. But without the full complement of analogs (7.1), it is a no sale for me.

I would think that a bitstream from the player to a very good Proc would be a higher quality sound than anything Panasonic would put in a BR player to decode the audio.

I would think that a bitstream from the player to a very good Proc would be a higher quality sound than anything Panasonic would put in a BR player to decode the audio.

I don't know how much it costs for the chip that does the DAC, likely not much now days. I do know my BD10 sounds great through the analogs. It just isn't able to decode DTS-HD MA, it only sends the DTS core.

I'll be making use of it tonight watching War (7.1 PCM) on my BD10.

So...if I can get a BD from Netflix...say something like Monster House, and it is going on Comcast STARZ HD and they both have 5.1, will the Starz feed be as good (recorded on the 3412)?

So...if I can get a BD from Netflix...say something like Monster House, and it is going on Comcast STARZ HD and they both have 5.1, will the Starz feed be as good (recorded on the 3412)?

No sir. Comcast is only going to have a optical audio feed and not as much bandwidth. The analog outs can pass LPCM which is uncompressed. LPCM is the same quality as TRUE HD and DTS-HD MA.

No sir. Comcast is only going to have a optical audio feed and not as much bandwidth. The analog outs can pass LPCM which is uncompressed. LPCM is the same quality as TRUE HD and DTS-HD MA.

OK, will get the Netflix. Actually all 4 of my Netflix I have out now are BR. I have HBO and Starz free now, but in 6 months I will drop it...unless they offer me more stuff to not go with Verizon FIOS TV.

OK, will get the Netflix. Actually all 4 of my Netflix I have out now are BR. I have HBO and Starz free now, but in 6 months I will drop it...unless they offer me more stuff to not go with Verizon FIOS TV.

Monster House is the first blu-ray I purchased. One of my favorites :D

Monster House is the first blu-ray I purchased. One of my favorites :D

I will have to get it from Netflix. The only downside to DVD's is I will have to watch the darn extras my wife always wants to see!

I will have to get it from Netflix. The only downside to DVD's is I will have to watch the darn extras my wife always wants to see!

You could get selective and only order the BD that come out as 2 disk sets. ;) Netflix will only send the disk with the movie.

You could get selective and only order the BD that come out as 2 disk sets. ;) Netflix will only send the disk with the movie.

Yes, and I have done that as I never get the second one!

The fat lady is singing . . .

Come home Penton-Man, the war is over :)

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSL1643184420080216?feedType=RSS&feedName=technologyNews

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/2598.html

The fat lady is singing . . .

Come home Penton-Man, the war is over :)

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSL1643184420080216?feedType=RSS&feedName=technologyNews

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/2598.html



Oh Crap!

And just as it was going to get interesting.

Cheers -

Jeremy


www.Kipnis-Studios.com

The fat lady is singing . . .

Come home Penton-Man, the war is over :)

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSL1643184420080216?feedType=RSS&feedName=technologyNews

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/2598.html
The mainstream news agencies tend to be a few days late all the time.
The fat lady sung on 1/4/08 (I should have patented the phrase back then) but, some on AVS never listened.
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=467711&postcount=1580

The curtain is coming down now.

The mainstream news agencies tend to be a few days late all the time.
The fat lady sung on 1/4/08 (I should have patented the phrase back then) but, some on AVS never listened.
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=467711&postcount=1580

The curtain is coming down now.

Welcome back Penton-Man to (posting on) the Q006 thread! (I suspect you've been lurking all along :D).

Does this mean you'll make more frequent appearances here? We certainly hope so. You are still enjoying the Q006, no?

Welcome back Penton-Man to (posting on) the Q006 thread! (I suspect you've been lurking all along :D).

Does this mean you'll make more frequent appearances here? We certainly hope so. You are still enjoying the Q006, no?

Yeah PM. I went "over there" so you can come back here to the 006 thread! :D

Actually my Blu purchase uncovered some setting issues I have/had with the 006 and now I want a new Proc, too, for the new Audio!

dd,

i went to a tweeters with my brother in law this past weekend and had him "oh so close" to impulsively buying the Pio 94 AVR ... i had never seen that unit in person...it is "hulking" to say the least :)

i think he will ultimately get the pio 94, a panny bd30 (or ps3, to satisfy both his itch and my nephew's) AND upgrade his tv to a 73in rear proj (he likes Mitsubish and there was a great deal on the 73in rear pro dlp 734 series ... he had to outdo me by 3in :eek:)

dd,

i went to a tweeters with my brother in law this past weekend and had him "oh so close" to impulsively buying the Pio 94 AVR ... i had never seen that unit in person...it is "hulking" to say the least :)

i think he will ultimately get the pio 94, a panny bd30 (or ps3, to satisfy both his itch and my nephew's) AND upgrade his tv to a 73in rear proj (he likes Mitsubish and there was a great deal on the 73in rear pro dlp 734 series ... he had to outdo me by 3in :eek:)

I like the way the front of the 94 looks like 2 units stacked. It is a solid receiver and puts out great sound. Did I send you the price the guy at 6th Ave was offering it at? That guy should give me a free one for all the folks I have sent there :D

I like the way the front of the 94 looks like 2 units stacked. It is a solid receiver and puts out great sound. Did I send you the price the guy at 6th Ave was offering it at? That guy should give me a free one for all the folks I have sent there :D

yes, you sent me the 6th ave info...i'll forward that info to my brother in law for his inevitable purchase :)

when we got back and his wife glared at me, i simply said, "you should have know better than to let me go out "browsing" with your hubby to a/v stores :D"

when we got back and his wife glared at me, i simply said, "you should have know better than to let me go out "browsing" with your hubby to a/v stores :D"

It's 9 months until Thanksgiving, she'll get over it by then :D

The BD30 firmware update to fix the PCM LFE bug is imminent (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=998399)!!!!!

The BD30 firmware update to fix the PCM LFE bug is imminent (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=998399)!!!!!

Looks like it is at the 3 winks stage ;););)

The BD30 firmware update to fix the PCM LFE bug is imminent (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=998399)!!!!!



...so, I can then get away from my 1.2 firmware? :D

...so, I can then get away from my 1.2 firmware? :D

And the only other little thing you will need is an HDMI receiver ;)

You know you want one :D

And the only other little thing you will need is an HDMI receiver ;)

You know you want one :D

Yeah...I know! I was looking for a proc...or at least a receiver with xlr in. The Pio may be good for a bit, however! There is the Denon Pre/Pro but that is $7K. I guess with the LFE fixed, I do not need to worry that the Pio will not view HDMI video with audio from 5.1 analog in.

The Integra DTC-9.8 is a great bang for the buck pre-pro :)

The Integra DTC-9.8 is a great bang for the buck pre-pro :)


I do know that but am afraid of the issues concerning the long lock times when changing audio modes. Some have also mentioned hum and noise. I know you have one and do not have any issues with it. Do you see the long lock times?

I do know that but am afraid of the issues concerning the long lock times when changing audio modes. Some have also mentioned hum and noise. I know you have one and do not have any issues with it. Do you see the long lock times?

yes, there is about a second or two to lock on when changing but it doesn't bother me and i don't really encounter it all that often, or at least not at points where it would be noticeable.

the pio 94 avr, as i'm sure dd can attest, is another good choice and simplifies things a bit as well.

i have to start looking for good amps to feed from my integra pro/pro and eventually retire my z9; i've been slow in doing this b/c i do like the "presence" speaker channels available from the z9

the pio 94 avr, as i'm sure dd can attest, is another good choice and simplifies things a bit as well.

i have to start looking for good amps to feed from my integra pro/pro and eventually retire my z9; i've been slow in doing this b/c i do like the "presence" speaker channels available from the z9

For mpsan, the 94 would allow him to use it as a pre-amp to feed his current amp at 5.1 and then use the built-in rear channel amps to move up to 7.1 without having to buy an additional 2 channel amplifer.

The 94 thread says a lot in the lack of problems. Mostly just guys asking about setup tweeks.

Thank you both. I just wish the 94 had xlr. I had an issue with a Proceed AVP and then switched to the Meridian. The Meridian has XLR for the fronts. With it I have no hum at all! Still, the Pio would let me add the 2 channels. Not sure what that would buy me, however. Also, the Pio can be bought for less $$$ than the Integra now.

Also...is 6th Ave OK on the Pio warranty? Of course, the local B&M's say they are not. I think, however, that they are as they do have a B&M in NY.

Also...is 6th Ave OK on the Pio warranty? Of course, the local B&M's say they are not. I think, however, that they are as they do have a B&M in NY.

6th Ave has a B&M and the guy I purchased from said they are autorized dealers for Pio and my 2 year warranty would be in effect. Their website also says they are authorized dealers.

http://www.6ave.com/shop/home.aspx

Thank you both. I just wish the 94 had xlr. I had an issue with a Proceed AVP and then switched to the Meridian. The Meridian has XLR for the fronts. With it I have no hum at all! Still, the Pio would let me add the 2 channels. Not sure what that would buy me, however. Also, the Pio can be bought for less $$$ than the Integra now.


So I guess you are worried about a ground loop or picking up external inductance. On the 94 thread there are several guys using the 94 as a pre-amp. You might ask on that thread if anyone is having a problem not using XLR.

Thank you both. I just wish the 94 had xlr. I had an issue with a Proceed AVP and then switched to the Meridian. The Meridian has XLR for the fronts. With it I have no hum at all! Still, the Pio would let me add the 2 channels. Not sure what that would buy me, however. Also, the Pio can be bought for less $$$ than the Integra now.

Also...is 6th Ave OK on the Pio warranty? Of course, the local B&M's say they are not. I think, however, that they are as they do have a B&M in NY.

the integra does have xlr inputs, fwiw.

i got mine for almost 1.1K

Thanks again. I will look again and perhaps ask about the need for xlr. Does the Integra and the Pio show items like volume, etc on the Q when you are watching a BR DVD?

Thanks again. I will look again and perhaps ask about the need for xlr. Does the Integra and the Pio show items like volume, etc on the Q when you are watching a BR DVD?

The Pio does not have on-screen display of the receiver volumn thru HDMI. I believe they treat HDMI as an untouched passthru of the video. I wish it did, it is an effort to read the volumn on the receiver. If it ever gets so I can't read it, I guess I will breakout my field glasses :eek:

The Pio does not have on-screen display of the receiver volumn thru HDMI. I believe they treat HDMI as an untouched passthru of the video. I wish it did, it is an effort to read the volumn on the receiver. If it ever gets so I can't read it, I guess I will breakout my field glasses :eek:

Well, my Meridian also can not do this as my Proceed used to. The Meridian is set for 87db being correct. I can no longer see this as it is not connected to video at all. Just Audio. I must be older than you. :D

Thanks again. I will look again and perhaps ask about the need for xlr. Does the Integra and the Pio show items like volume, etc on the Q when you are watching a BR DVD?

the integrad 9.8 does allow you to display the OSD through HDMI on the display; you can also turn this feature off (the video purists believe it should be turned off when watching HDM)

Aright guys, since the talk has moved considerably over to the Receiver/Pre-Pro side of things, I would be remiss if I didn't chime in and recommend that you consider the Anthem D2 (or AVM50)...both will do OSD over HDMI and/or Component video, including volume, video input stats, output stats, audio input stats, output stats, everything that you can imagine is displayed on the set when you make any changes.

I know I sound like a fanboy guys, but seriously, it's been 2 years now, and my investment in a D2 was perhaps the smartest purchase I've ever made...well, that and the beloved Qualia of course :-)

BluRay from the Pioneer 94HD to the D2 is outstanding on the Qualia, but it's what it does for standard DVD that had me hooked the moment I saw it. Simple cable TV (HD especially) ain't bad either.

Again guys, I'm an audio old-timer, audio is my first and still top concern, not this fancy video stuff, and the audio side of the D2 and the flexibility for multi-zone audio and video, on a single chassis, is unreal. Oh, did I mention it has one of the best video scalers on the market in it, the Gennum VXP?

Aright, I'll stop, but all these posts about frustrating receiver situations got my blood boiling over here!

Cheers! Happy Sunday guys, maybe I'll go watch the Chris Botti concert BluRay again...I am hoping for faster BluRay releases soon of great stuff like this.

-Brian

Aright guys, since the talk has moved considerably over to the Receiver/Pre-Pro side of things, I would be remiss if I didn't chime in and recommend that you consider the Anthem D2 (or AVM50)...both will do OSD over HDMI and/or Component video, including volume, video input stats, output stats, audio input stats, output stats, everything that you can imagine is displayed on the set when you make any changes.

-Brian

I guess I must be missing it in the specs, but does the Anthem D2 have HDMI 1.3 and do all of the advanced audio codec processing for Blu-ray?

Aright guys, since the talk has moved considerably over to the Receiver/Pre-Pro side of things, I would be remiss if I didn't chime in and recommend that you consider the Anthem D2 (or AVM50)...both will do OSD over HDMI and/or Component video, including volume, video input stats, output stats, audio input stats, output stats, everything that you can imagine is displayed on the set when you make any changes.

I know I sound like a fanboy guys, but seriously, it's been 2 years now, and my investment in a D2 was perhaps the smartest purchase I've ever made...well, that and the beloved Qualia of course :-)

BluRay from the Pioneer 94HD to the D2 is outstanding on the Qualia, but it's what it does for standard DVD that had me hooked the moment I saw it. Simple cable TV (HD especially) ain't bad either.

Again guys, I'm an audio old-timer, audio is my first and still top concern, not this fancy video stuff, and the audio side of the D2 and the flexibility for multi-zone audio and video, on a single chassis, is unreal. Oh, did I mention it has one of the best video scalers on the market in it, the Gennum VXP?

Aright, I'll stop, but all these posts about frustrating receiver situations got my blood boiling over here!

Cheers! Happy Sunday guys, maybe I'll go watch the Chris Botti concert BluRay again...I am hoping for faster BluRay releases soon of great stuff like this.

-Brian


I am also an old time audio guy. In fact I still have the pre/pro and basic amp setup. That is why I have a hard time getting rid of my Meridian. We are from Hartford and moved to southern Ct. I still remember the Scully days of recording! I told you I was old. Does the Anthem do the new lossless DD and DTS modes?

the integrad 9.8 does allow you to display the OSD through HDMI on the display; you can also turn this feature off (the video purists believe it should be turned off when watching HDM)

That is why I am having a hard time. :D
I like the 9.8 specs and the fact that it is a Pre/Pro...but I am worried about the lag when it (and all Onkyo/Integra) sees an audio mode change. I know it would bug me because of a local station (NBC) now. It switched to HD News. Whenever they go to a comm'l, they switch the 5.1 off, and the lag that they broadcast is a pain. I just feel that a DVD would drive me crazy if it happened there!

OTOH, I still have a problem getting something like the 94, and using my own power amp I am using now. Seems like a waste!

OH, to get back on topic, I am still looking in to why my Q has great Black Levels on Vivid, but not Pro. I just wrote every setting down in all 3 modes and will compare to others settings shown on page one. I HAVE to fix this.

One thing that may help is that on March 25 they will release the Blu version of DVE!

POP!!!! :eek:

2043 for this last bulb and this time it exploded ...

funny b/c this morning my son and i were gaming on the 360 and i said to him i was having difficulty seeing the bad guys (but just chalked it up to the in-game experience; i.e., dark/cloudy day type environment)...maybe that was the bulb suddenly dimming.

i think this was about how many hours it went on me last time...i wish i could get 3000 :(


my son's comment was rewarding though after the replacement (of course i had a spare on hand!!), WOW, that is bright!

2043 for this last bulb and this time it exploded ...

funny b/c this morning my son and i were gaming on the 360 and i said to him i was having difficulty seeing the bad guys (but just chalked it up to the in-game experience; i.e., dark/cloudy day type environment)...maybe that was the bulb suddenly dimming.

i think this was about how many hours it went on me last time...i wish i could get 3000 :(


my son's comment was rewarding though after the replacement (of course i had a spare on hand!!), WOW, that is bright!

That must have been one heck of a game to blow the bulb up :eek::cool:

Glad you had a spare :)

That must have been one heck of a game to blow the bulb up :eek::cool:

Glad you had a spare :)

well, *i* wasn't playing at the time of the POP ... i was playing GRAW2 earlier with him...he was playing Halo3 online with his cousin in multiplayer matches (i'm not big on online multiplayer...i die too much :))

i just searched the thread and now see (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=8691968&postcount=12062) that i had gotten a lot more life out of my previous bulb :( almost 2700hrs and it didn't explode.

I guess I must be missing it in the specs, but does the Anthem D2 have HDMI 1.3 and do all of the advanced audio codec processing for Blu-ray?

Nope, you didn't miss it, it ain't there...HDMI 1.1 is fully supported on the D2 and AVM50, but no plans for 1.3 at this point. Here's the great part - you don't need it!!!!!! It's a total fallacy, decoding of Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master Audio should be done in the player, the BluRay player, not the receiver! There is absolutely no advantage to doing it in the receiver, even Dolby and DTS themselves say that in all their whitepapers! In fact, you actually lose certain capabilities by doing the decoding in the receiver instead of the player. Let the player do the decoding, and send multichannel PCM over HDMI to the D2, the sound is absolutely stunning. Trust me, if the sound was any better at all done any other way, I'd do it, but it's not! Anthem has a great write-up on this on their site, or like I say, check out Dolby and DTS websites and read the whitepapers...

I am listening to Dolby TrueHD and DD+ soundtracks all the time decoded in my Pioneer 94HD and sent as uncompressed PCM over HDMI to my D2, the sound is to die for. There is absolutely no difference whether you decode in the player or in the receiver, these are lossless formats guys - except that sending to the receiver without decoding loses you the capability for the interactive audio that BluRay can provide, as well as language selection, etc. Really, seriously, don't buy in to the bogus hype that the mass market receiver mfg's and HDMI spec folks are selling us all on, its absolute crap...in any other industry, they would be getting indicted by the FTC for fraud and collusion...HDMI 1.3 offers absolutely NOTHING that you will see in any discs for at least 3 years...at that time, if HDMI 1.3 has any real advantages, Anthem will make it available as an upgrade to the existing D2s and AVM50s, and do it better than anyone else, and support the heck out of it, etc.

Seriously guys, I know I sound like a paid advertisement, I have no affiliation with them other than being a long-time willing beta tester for them after developing a great respect for their software development skill. Their commitment to supporting their customers through these tricky technology times and staying focused on delivering real, audible improvements for us audio/video freaks is unmatched by ANYONE in this industry, that is a fact.

The D2 is pure joy in anybody's living room/theater, its pricey but worth every penny and then some.

Cheers guys, check out La Vie en Rose if you haven't already, she won Best Actress for a reason! Not my usual cup of meat, but she killed in that role for sure...

Peace,
Brian

i just searched the thread and now see (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=8691968&postcount=12062) that i had gotten a lot more life out of my previous bulb :( almost 2700hrs and it didn't explode.

Curious I noticed that my 2nd bulb's life was considerably shorter as well (and it blew up). I wonder if there is a problem with the cooling path that we should look into. The slowly rising temperatures from less effective cooling would explain the lower bulb life and the explosive demises. This time around I didn't do anything special to try and clean out the "under the Q" path that you see directly behind the bulb. I was worried that I might raise up dust into the light path.

Nope, you didn't miss it, it ain't there...HDMI 1.1 is fully supported on the D2 and AVM50, but no plans for 1.3 at this point. Here's the great part - you don't need it!!!!!! It's a total fallacy, decoding of Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master Audio should be done in the player, the BluRay player, not the receiver! There is absolutely no advantage to doing it in the receiver, even Dolby and DTS themselves say that in all their whitepapers!

Brian

Sorry, but there is no way the Panny BD30 (which this discussion was about) is going to get the full loseless 7.1 descrete DTS HD MA or LPCM into the receiver without either HDMI 1.3 for bitstream transmission or 7.1 analogs. And the BD30 only has 5.1 analogs.

Out of lurk mode to add another statistic in the yellow stain area. Not to the green stage yet, but had the pleasure of having UMR to my home for the first time, and his eyes saw it without the need of his calibration equipment.

Needless to say, we didn't do video calibration, but he did wonders for the audio side as well. I'm using Martin Logan Ascents, Theater, and Descent for the front with Halo C2/A51 equipment.

Light engine to be replaced tomorrow, and looking forward to having the Q back the way it should be!

Randy
Clearwater, FL

Out of lurk mode to add another statistic in the yellow stain area. Not to the green stage yet, but had the pleasure of having UMR to my home for the first time, and his eyes saw it without the need of his calibration equipment.

Needless to say, we didn't do video calibration, but he did wonders for the audio side as well. I'm using Martin Logan Ascents, Theater, and Descent for the front with Halo C2/A51 equipment.

Light engine to be replaced tomorrow, and looking forward to having the Q back the way it should be!

Randy
Clearwater, FL

Randy,

You are going to be impressed all over again after you get the new Optical Block. If your bulb has dust on it, this would be a good oportunity to clean it off. And if you have some Swifters, the repair Tech can clean out the inside of the Q. There will be a lot of dust inside at the bottom.

Enjoy !

Sorry, but there is no way the Panny BD30 (which this discussion was about) is going to get the full loseless 7.1 descrete DTS HD MA or LPCM into the receiver without either HDMI 1.3 for bitstream transmission or 7.1 analogs. And the BD30 only has 5.1 analogs.

to elaborate a little, the bd30 does not offer INTERNAL decoding of the advanced audio codecs, only bitstream output. in order to get the bitstream output of the advanced audio codecs, hdmi 1.3 is required.

IF the BD30 were miraculously upgraded to do the INTERNAL decoding of the advanced audio codecs, then yes you could have it decode internally and send the up to 7.1 LPCM output over your HDMI 1.1 connection.

I think ;)

dd/mpsan/hifi/others with the panasonic bd30...

they've posted the firmware upgrade (v1.6) to the global panny site...i'll update mine tonight when i get home.

mpsan, interestingly there has been some discussion, not sure if you noticed it, about "flicker" on samsung displays...wonder if this is what you had been experiencing with the Q...this f/w upgrade supposedly fixes the samsung issue so *maybe* it fixes your issue with flicker?

dd/mpsan/hifi/others with the panasonic bd30...

they've posted the firmware upgrade (v1.6) to the global panny site...i'll update mine tonight when i get home.

mpsan, interestingly there has been some discussion, not sure if you noticed it, about "flicker" on samsung displays...wonder if this is what you had been experiencing with the Q...this f/w upgrade supposedly fixes the samsung issue so *maybe* it fixes your issue with flicker?


I will check it out. As I said, the flicker was on a scene where there was a blue hallway stripe. It ONLY happened when the Q was on vivid!

Also, re: the D2, Anthem. I am sure it sounds great, but after the $6,000 Meridian I am never again trusting a highend vendor to "do the right thing".

P.S. Have any of you used a CD-RW to do the update? Panny Japan says to use a CDR, but Panny US says a good quality CD-RW is OK.

***UPDATE***

CD-RW worked fine.

Out of lurk mode to add another statistic in the yellow stain area. Not to the green stage yet, but had the pleasure of having UMR to my home for the first time, and his eyes saw it without the need of his calibration equipment.I've added your report to the list linked at the bottom of my post. Sorry to learn about your light engine.

P.S. Have any of you used a CD-RW to do the update? Panny Japan says to use a CDR, but Panny US says a good quality CD-RW is OK.

I have only used CDR, but I have read that if CD-RW is written at a low speed, it works.

dd/mpsan/hifi/others with the panasonic bd30...

they've posted the firmware upgrade (v1.6) to the global panny site...i'll update mine tonight when i get home.


Thank you ! I got her downloaded and ready to burn. So I plan to play the shotgun scene from Ratatouille, do the update and than play it again to see the difference.

Thank you ! I got her downloaded and ready to burn. So I plan to play the shotgun scene from Ratatouille, do the update and than play it again to see the difference.

i don't own ratatouille...any other titles that might be good for testing? i suppose any disney title with lpcm? i think i have the "dinosaur" title...there has to be bass in that :)

i don't own ratatouille...any other titles that might be good for testing? i suppose any disney title with lpcm? i think i have the "dinosaur" title...there has to be bass in that :)

Crank or the helo takeoff scene in Black Hawk Down.

Also, re: the D2, Anthem. I am sure it sounds great, but after the $6,000 Meridian I am never again trusting a highend vendor to "do the right thing".


They already "did the right thing" - by building and delivering it just as it is. Not to mention 2 years of history on this product alone, constantly supporting the advent of new software features, video processing capabilities, etc. Even if you didn't trust them to *ever* offer HDMI 1.3 (a ridiculous assumption btw given the history of every single one of their previous products), it's still the best choice today in a high end audio/video preamp/processor....period.

Brian

Sorry, but there is no way the Panny BD30 (which this discussion was about) is going to get the full loseless 7.1 descrete DTS HD MA or LPCM into the receiver without either HDMI 1.3 for bitstream transmission or 7.1 analogs. And the BD30 only has 5.1 analogs.

Divedude,

My apologies, I didnt' realize that the long pole in the tent was the Panny BD30, which of course will only ever send bitstream for the advanced audio programs. These players are of course not a good match for the D2. Those that are would be like the Pioneer models, Sony PS3, Sony models, Samsung models...I particularly recommend the Pioneer models, all of them are very high quality and you can get some of the older ones very cheap right now...they are great about releasing new firmware on a regular basis, even for the HD1, which is the oldest one.

After the Pioneer BD players (HD1,94HD,95HD,etc.), the next great internally decoding player is the new Denon that does internal decoding, and the upcoming Marantz.

FWIW,
Brian

They already "did the right thing" - by building and delivering it just as it is. Not to mention 2 years of history on this product alone, constantly supporting the advent of new software features, video processing capabilities, etc. Even if you didn't trust them to *ever* offer HDMI 1.3 (a ridiculous assumption btw given the history of every single one of their previous products), it's still the best choice today in a high end audio/video preamp/processor....period.

Brian


Well, I will look at their web site again, but with the BD30, it would not help me now.