Colortv,
How about a pic of the bias lighting in action.

"Reasons you should not buy this particular product."

1. You don't like to watch TV
2. You don't have the room
3. You don't have the money
4. You don't have enough blood plasma to sell to get the money
5. You know for sure that in 5-7 years you'll be able to pick one of these up much cheaper.
6. You know that the technology of the future isn't SXRD, it's ESP
-And finally-
7. YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT (although this didn't stop several of us)

ColorTv-

I'm sure you know this but to be sure other's realize it...


The Harmony is an IR remote so you need direct line of site. With an RF remote you can control your bias light without getting up to turn it on or off, so the Harmony won't be able to control a bias light set up behind the TV. The $20 RF remote I mentioned is about the size of a quarter. Once you get the Harmony set up, you'll have that remote and the RF remote on your coffee table only (if you decide to get it).

Originally posted by nhey
JB007 - maybe add the following in the first post?

How To Use the 006 Photo View Feature if you Don't Own a Sony Camera:

nhey,

Here is my original (edited) post regarding how to place images from your computer onto a memory stick:

Originally posted by jb007
Go to Good Guys, Best Buy, etc. with your memory stick in hand. Place it into one of the Sony digital still cameras on display and take one or two photos. Insert the memory stick into your PC and bring up "my computer." Click on the memory stick, which should be listed as a removable drive. Navigate to the folder containing the two sample photos you took at the store. Load your .jpegs into that folder. It isn't necessary to alter the resolution of the .jpegs or or do anything else. Each transferred photo will display on the 006.

Since you've actually gone through the process, is there anything that should be modified in these instructions before linking to post #1?

Originally posted by kaduku
Thanks Penton-Man, no problem on stepping on my toes.



Thanks I will try this. It seems she did a good job stretching the elastic. Too loose and it would not hold and too tight and it would be hard to get on. Your cover really does look professional.

Dogbert is too short to get his nose on the screen so at least I don't have to worry about that.

Dilbert1

First off, I am the real DW. :D

I keep looking for someone to answer Seacamp380. I am waiting for the 006 to show up in a store near me, in Portland, OR. In the HD threads, both OTA and Comcast, I see many issues with Audio, etc. I have a Meridian Proc and large B&W speakers all around. I am sure it will not take the poping and noise others describe. I know this has nothing to do with the 006, however, but wonder if HD may be a little too soon to "play" with?

However, I, too, have questions regarding the 006 and a cable feed. Also, how does a normal DVD look, and is an upscaling player worth it? How about SD and something like a ReplayTV? I still am not sure about the HD recorders you guys have. I keep hearing, here anyway, that some of the audio (Grammys) here in Portland was so bad people switched to SD. That is not an option if you are recording the show, and can the HD shows all be recorded?

Anyway...

TIA, and still wonder when the 006 will be in the Local B&M's.
I am glad that buying a French Press is not quite this hard! :D

Originally posted by jb007
nhey,

Here is my original (edited) post regarding how to place images from your computer onto a memory stick:



Since you've actually gone through the process, is there anything that should be modified in these instructions before linking to post #1?


I provided a little more detail. Your explanation is also fine.

There is a way to view jpegs on the 006 without purchasing a Sony camera. You do need to purchase a Sony memory stick or memory stick pro and place it in a Sony camera (the stick doesn't need to be formatted) and take a couple "test" pictures. You can do this at a Best Buy/Circuit City type store. They don't mind letting you test a camera with your memory stick. That establishes the file structure on the memory stick and then all you need to do is copy your jpegs from your hard drive into the folder where those test pictures are stored, insert the memory stick at the bottom of the screen, and away you go. If your computer does not "accept" the Sony memory stick, you will also need to purchase a digital card reader/writer. San Disk makes a 12 in 1 reader/writer for about $30. It's a very nice feature of the 006 and should not be ignored by those with digital cameras. You can even do slide shows with music. Very impressive. There is no need to resize your prints if you don't want.

Originally posted by SABAlove
"Reasons you should not buy this particular product."

1. You don't like to watch TV
2. You don't have the room
3. You don't have the money
4. You don't have enough blood plasma to sell to get the money
5. You know for sure that in 5-7 years you'll be able to pick one of these up much cheaper.
6. You know that the technology of the future isn't SXRD, it's ESP
-And finally-
7. YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT (although this didn't stop several of us)

Well said.

I have been wondering why the Qualia is generating this level of interest and feelings in its owners. I don't think it is coincidence or obsession. I also don't think it has to do with having bought an expensive toy.

I think there is a threshold that has been reached with virtual reality. The pictures are good enough to begin to generate an emotional response similiar to what you would feel if the Qualia were not between you and the subject. The feeling is much more personal than what you would feel in a movie theater where you share the visual stimulation. I think that this VR experience will have a significant effect on society as the technology improves and becomes available to a larger segment of the population. The internet is tying us together through the movement of information but video technology has the ability to connect us emotionally.

I had to stop by the TV store yesterday and realized how much better the Qualia picture is over all the sets I saw there. I saw a $10K plasma that was half the size of the Qualia and the picture was not as good.

Dilbert1

Dilbert - Did you hear about an experimental display in Japan that is something like 4000 x 2000 that was shown to people who were so amazed by the reality of the image that some actually fainted??

Maybe we are starting to get a taste of that with the level of detail/sharpness exhibited by the 006?

Hey guys... I've searched both Qualia threads but I haven't been able to figure out an answer to the question of iris, hopefully one of you owners can help me :-)

The basic question is, does the Qualia have any kind of iris setting? I understand that it doesn't have a dynamic iris, but I'm confused as to whether there is a mechanical iris that can be adjusted in the menu options?

If so, how does this setting work in the menu itself? Is it a multiple-setting type thing (low, medium, high?), or is it an on/off thing? Likewise, does the menu also have a setting that reduces bulb output? And if so, is this an on/off thing or a multiple-setting thing?

Finally, if the set does have these settings, and one of you owners has played with them, can you talk a bit about the effect it had on the picture? I read all this talk about bias lighting, but it would seem to me that if the TV has an iris and a bulb setting, that if both were set to their lowest-light-output settings, the set would be viewable in pitch black... or is it still kinda too bright and requires a bias light with those settings (which is fine, because I'm likely to get one - it just helps with a 3000:1 contrast display :-) but I'm just curious.)

Thanks so much guys! I'm just about the pull the trigger myself...

Oh and one other request... if any of you guys could take a picture of some games (like Halo 2) on the set, I'd love to see them!

Thanks again!
- paul

Originally posted by nhey
Dilbert - Did you hear about an experimental display in Japan that is something like 4000 x 2000 that was shown to people who were so amazed by the reality of the image that some actually fainted??

Maybe we are starting to get a taste of that with the level of detail/sharpness exhibited by the 006?

I did hear about that and from what I remember, it was also Lcos based technology!

Originally posted by mpsan
First off, I am the real DW. :D

I know this has nothing to do with the 006, however, but wonder if HD may be a little too soon to "play" with?

Also, how does a normal DVD look, and is an upscaling player worth it? How about SD and something like a ReplayTV?
:D

Not too soon for HD.

There is a lot of information in this thread about Qualia scaling and DVD players. Qualia scaling is great - you don't need a fancy DVD scaler. The quality of the picture is tied to how much information is on the DVD. Some look fantastic, some less so, and some can only be tolerated in a small split screen. You will probably be very happy.

SD is watchable. If it is a problem then you can reduce the size of the picture by putting it in a split screen and it will look fine.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by nhey
Dilbert - Did you hear about an experimental display in Japan that is something like 4000 x 2000 that was shown to people who were so amazed by the reality of the image that some actually fainted??

Maybe we are starting to get a taste of that with the level of detail/sharpness exhibited by the 006?

We are on an accelerating (exponential) VR curve that will change the way we behave and work. I think this is a privileged generation to be able to see these changes. Just as cells in your body respond to electrical and chemical messages we as individuals are increasing the complexity of our connectivity.

Dilbert1

And you thought it was just entertainment.

Of course that is the most useful way to think of it.

Dilbert1

Wow, we now have more posts than the "JVC D-ILA Owner's first impressions" thread that has over 200,000 views and was started in 7/04.

Keep the information flowing . . . :)

Originally posted by wintr
Hey guys... I've searched both Qualia threads but I haven't been able to figure out an answer to the question of iris, hopefully one of you owners can help me :-)

The basic question is, does the Qualia have any kind of iris setting? I understand that it doesn't have a dynamic iris, but I'm confused as to whether there is a mechanical iris that can be adjusted in the menu options?

If so, how does this setting work in the menu itself? Is it a multiple-setting type thing (low, medium, high?), or is it an on/off thing? Likewise, does the menu also have a setting that reduces bulb output? And if so, is this an on/off thing or a multiple-setting thing?

Finally, if the set does have these settings, and one of you owners has played with them, can you talk a bit about the effect it had on the picture? I read all this talk about bias lighting, but it would seem to me that if the TV has an iris and a bulb setting, that if both were set to their lowest-light-output settings, the set would be viewable in pitch black... or is it still kinda too bright and requires a bias light with those settings (which is fine, because I'm likely to get one - it just helps with a 3000:1 contrast display :-) but I'm just curious.)

Thanks so much guys! I'm just about the pull the trigger myself...

Oh and one other request... if any of you guys could take a picture of some games (like Halo 2) on the set, I'd love to see them!

Thanks again!
- paul


No adjustments for the mechanical iris are in the user menu. There is an option to reduce the power consumption (2 settings, normal and low, I think are the terms used), that reduces the brightness of the bulb and serves to increase black levels.

Originally posted by wintr
Hey guys... I've searched both Qualia threads but I haven't been able to figure out an answer to the question of iris, hopefully one of you owners can help me :-)

The basic question is, does the Qualia have any kind of iris setting? I understand that it doesn't have a dynamic iris, but I'm confused as to whether there is a mechanical iris that can be adjusted in the menu options?

If so, how does this setting work in the menu itself? Is it a multiple-setting type thing (low, medium, high?), or is it an on/off thing? Likewise, does the menu also have a setting that reduces bulb output? And if so, is this an on/off thing or a multiple-setting thing?
- paul
Well, I will take a stab at this one and anyone else can add or correct.

It does have an iris that is controlled by selecting "Cinema Black Pro",
where the iris is closed down to some degree. That is the extent of
the iris controls. Their is also a "Power Saver" mode which reduces the
intensity of the bulb causing a reduction in contrast and black level.
The combination of these two has been reported to be useful for
dark room viewing.

I personally find the black levels of the 006 to be as good as my
Fujitsu P50/40, if not better. The 006 is definitely the best HD picture
I have seen so far. I was expecting a compromise in detail with a 70"
screen size but this thing creates an image of reality that you have to
see to believe. This is the real deal.

Martin

Thank you. I will be waiting for the 006 at a dealer near me. I know of one who will let me play with dvd's and sd all day if I want.

P.S. Are you one of the lucky people who can record HD stuff? Just wondered if the HD recorders have built in ATSC/QAm Tuners.


Originally posted by Dilbert1
Not too soon for HD.

There is a lot of information in this thread about Qualia scaling and DVD players. Qualia scaling is great - you don't need a fancy DVD scaler. The quality of the picture is tied to how much information is on the DVD. Some look fantastic, some less so, and some can only be tolerated in a small split screen. You will probably be very happy.

SD is watchable. If it is a problem then you can reduce the size of the picture by putting it in a split screen and it will look fine.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by Tulsa1

It does have an iris that is controlled by selecting "Cinema Black Pro",
where the iris is closed down to some degree. That is the extent of
the iris controls. Their is also a "Power Saver" mode which reduces the
intensity of the bulb causing a reduction in contrast and black level.
The combination of these two has been reported to be useful for
dark room viewing.


Excellent! That's what I wanted to hear. It does conflict a bit with nhey's answer, but I assumme that's because "Cinema Black Pro" as a menu option doesn't really suggest an actual iris adjustment (sounds more like an electronics thing.) Does it mention that this is a physical iris adjustment in the Qualia manual?

thanks again,
paul

Originally posted by wintr
Excellent! That's what I wanted to hear. It does conflict a bit with nhey's answer, but I assumme that's because "Cinema Black Pro" as a menu option doesn't really suggest an actual iris adjustment (sounds more like an electronics thing.) Does it mention that this is a physical iris adjustment in the Qualia manual?


BTW, according to the Qualia 004 (the front projector) documentation, Cinema Black Pro does indeed control an iris in that case... but does anyone have proof that this is the case for the 006 as well? (rather than it being an electronics adjustment like brightness or contrast - which is what the "black corrector" option is on the XBR line.)

Thanks!
paul

I've been lurking here for a while. And today I bit the bullet!

Put down a 25% on a Qualia 006 at Showcase Home Theater (aka Tweeter) here in Scottsdale, AZ. Apparently they are allotted 100 units which arrive in groups of 10. I am the second in line for the next shipment, expected beginning of April.

I was pleasantly surprised to be offered a 10% discount without really asking. They also promised to price match for 60 days after the set is delivered, in case they offer a bigger discount on a sale or the MSRP is lowered.

We are having a 22' wall of built-in cabinets made for a game room. Since they will be custom made to accomodate the TV, I wanted a set that will last 20 years. I still have a 27" XBR from 20 years ago that works great, so I hope this Qualia will be just as durable.

Originally posted by colortv
Some guests stopped by last night and I tried the memory stick trick. It worked as it did for you. The 006 blows everone away of course, but seeing high res stills on it is fantastic and the slide show with piano music is the cat's meow. My friends were shaking their heads in astonishment that Sony took Apple's cue from iPhoto and put it into this TV. Or was that me shaking my head? This TV just keeps amazing me!
Try resizing/cropping photos to 1920x1080, using your PC before displaying them in the 006. It makes a huge improvement.

Originally posted by ekovalsky
I've been lurking here for a while. And today I bit the bullet!

Put down a 25% on a Qualia 006 at Showcase Home Theater (aka Tweeter) here in Scottsdale, AZ. Apparently they are allotted 100 units which arrive in groups of 10. I am the second in line for the next shipment, expected beginning of April.

I was pleasantly surprised to be offered a 10% discount without really asking. They also promised to price match for 60 days after the set is delivered, in case they offer a bigger discount on a sale or the MSRP is lowered.

We are having a 22' wall of built-in cabinets made for a game room. Since they will be custom made to accomodate the TV, I wanted a set that will last 20 years. I still have a 27" XBR from 20 years ago that works great, so I hope this Qualia will be just as durable.

Welcome to Q006 ownership.

There have been other postings about discounting from MSRP, but nothing confirmed that I recall, until now. Wow, that's almost enough savings to pay for a stand (can you hear me now P-M ;)), although it sounds as though you'll be able to spend that money on other accessories, since your 006 will be built in. Congrats again.

Originally posted by Tulsa1


I personally find the black levels of the 006 to be as good as my
Fujitsu P50/40, if not better. The 006 is definitely the best HD picture
I have seen so far. I was expecting a compromise in detail with a 70"
screen size but this thing creates an image of reality that you have to
see to believe. This is the real deal.

Martin

And this comes from a guy who owns both Fujitsu P50/40, widely acclaimed as the best plasma available, and the Qualia 006. Wow.

C'mon, Sony, release the smaller versions!

There's no way I can fit this 70" monster into my condo!:(:(:(

Originally posted by ekovalsky
I've been lurking here for a while. And today I bit the bullet!

Put down a 25% on a Qualia 006 at Showcase Home Theater (aka Tweeter) here in Scottsdale, AZ. Apparently they are allotted 100 units which arrive in groups of 10. I am the second in line for the next shipment, expected beginning of April.

I was pleasantly surprised to be offered a 10% discount without really asking. They also promised to price match for 60 days after the set is delivered, in case they offer a bigger discount on a sale or the MSRP is lowered.

We are having a 22' wall of built-in cabinets made for a game room. Since they will be custom made to accomodate the TV, I wanted a set that will last 20 years. I still have a 27" XBR from 20 years ago that works great, so I hope this Qualia will be just as durable.

I too, had a 27" XBR from about the same period. I forget the model, but it had removable box speakers on each side. Replaced it with a 27" flat screen, also made by Sony, but it did not have the PQ and sound of that XBR. I wished I had never parted with it :( Anyways, congrats on your order!!!!

Originally posted by wintr
BTW, according to the Qualia 004 (the front projector) documentation, Cinema Black Pro does indeed control an iris in that case... but does anyone have proof that this is the case for the 006 as well? (rather than it being an electronics adjustment like brightness or contrast - which is what the "black corrector" option is on the XBR line.)
When you toggle the Cinema Black setting, you can hear something mechanical happening. It's definitely an iris or filter setting. The result is that the blacks really do get darker (along with the whites). There are other, separate settings that electronically affect the black level.

Originally posted by wintr
Excellent! That's what I wanted to hear. It does conflict a bit with nhey's answer, but I assumme that's because "Cinema Black Pro" as a menu option doesn't really suggest an actual iris adjustment (sounds more like an electronics thing.) Does it mention that this is a physical iris adjustment in the Qualia manual?

thanks again,
paul
Based on the diagrams Sony has supplied to the trade magazines,
there is a true iris as part of the light engine assembly in the 006.
The option of "Cinema Black Pro" is the only user control for this iris
that I am aware of. I will find a copy of that diagram, scan it, and post it
this evening or tomorrow.

Martin

Originally posted by rcohen
When you toggle the Cinema Black setting, you can hear something mechanical happening. It's definitely an iris or filter setting. The result is that the blacks really do get darker (along with the whites). There are other, separate settings that electronically affect the black level.

Sweet! That's exactly what I wanted to hear. The combo of a true mechanical iris and a variable bulb setting is killer! Gives you the ability to dial in the exact brightness settings you want for nighttime vs. daytime viewing without effecting the overall image contrast. I wish sony had given us some way to store multiple settings for Pro though... but a few seconds of menu twidling each night is no big deal :-)

- paul

Ahhhh there is hope yet for my holy grail!

So who has tried messing with the cinema black setting and viewed the set in Total Darkness?

The thought of sitting down with a bowl of popcorn to watch a movie and having lights on in the room really depresses me! (I guess it doesn't bother too many other people!). Of course a front projector would be best for that, but for regular tv viewing, I do prefer lights on in the room!
Yes, I want it all! (No, I can't afford both a front projector and fixed panel)

Originally posted by wintr
Excellent! That's what I wanted to hear. It does conflict a bit with nhey's answer, but I assumme that's because "Cinema Black Pro" as a menu option doesn't really suggest an actual iris adjustment (sounds more like an electronics thing.) Does it mention that this is a physical iris adjustment in the Qualia manual?

thanks again,
paul


I stand corrected - I didn't realize the cinema black pro adjusts the iris. Makes sense. Thanks.

I have a question for anyone who might happen to still have one of the monster boxes this thing comes in.

What are the dimensions please? I have some constraints getting this unit up the stairs and I'd like to do it IN the box. I specifically need the width and depth... the height isn't necessary.

THANKS.

Hey guys, regarding bias lighting behind the set... what about some sort of light sensor that could control an electrical outlet, so that the bias light could just come on automatically at night, and switch off in the morning? I guess for a lot of people the light would be on a lot more than necessary, so maybe it's not such a great idea. Maybe a simple timer device?

...so just use an X10.

Originally posted by BrettStah
Hey guys, regarding bias lighting behind the set... what about some sort of light sensor that could control an electrical outlet, so that the bias light could just come on automatically at night, and switch off in the morning? I guess for a lot of people the light would be on a lot more than necessary, so maybe it's not such a great idea. Maybe a simple timer device?

mpsan; What type of B&Ws do you have? I currently have N802s and am thinking of buying Signature 800s and use the N802s for the rear.

I have the 803's. I like the way they image and with a sub they are great.


Originally posted by SRT-10 Viper
mpsan; What type of B&Ws do you have? I currently have N802s and am thinking of buying Signature 800s and use the N802s for the rear.

Here is what I was able to come up with showing no bias light, a single bias light and dual bias light. The dual light in person gives the most pleasing results. If you look closely, you'll see where the light tends to show to the left, right and below the set.

Hi guys,

This set stole my heart at CEDIA, and as an ISF calibrator I've been itchin' to calibrate one. I've done countless Sony LCD RPTVs (which I like), and I'm hoping this one carries over all the strong points of those others. The Sonys have the best service menu out there if you know where everything's at and what it does. For instance, you can seperately optimize grayscale for each input/scanrate, the color decoder is fully adjustable, dynamic brightness can be eliminated, and there's full control of red, green, and blue gamma in addition to overall gamma.
Are there any Qualia 006 owners in Virginia, Ohio, or West Virginia that would like to get your set calibrated by someone who really loves this TV?

Chad

Originally posted by Chad B
Hi guys,

This set stole my heart at CEDIA, and as an ISF calibrator I've been itchin' to calibrate one. I've done countless Sony LCD RPTVs (which I like), and I'm hoping this one carries over all the strong points of those others. The Sonys have the best service menu out there if you know where everything's at and what it does. For instance, you can seperately optimize grayscale for each input/scanrate, the color decoder is fully adjustable, dynamic brightness can be eliminated, and there's full control of red, green, and blue gamma in addition to overall gamma.
Are there any Qualia 006 owners in Virginia, Ohio, or West Virginia that would like to get your set calibrated by someone who really loves this TV?


Please, please calibrate mine. You only need to find a way to get to the San Francisco area. I will also provide you with some milk and cookies, while your working at it :D

Joking aside, I do wished you were in this area. You sound like the type of guy who knows what he's doing. Do us a favor and update us when you do work on one these babys.

Originally posted by Chad B
This set stole my heart at CEDIA, and as an ISF calibrator I've been itchin' to calibrate one.



Chad B,
From your first impression of the Qualia 006, do you even think the 006 can be improved, if so, by how much?

Originally posted by Chad B
Hi guys,

This set stole my heart at CEDIA, and as an ISF calibrator I've been itchin' to calibrate one. I've done countless Sony LCD RPTVs (which I like), and I'm hoping this one carries over all the strong points of those others. The Sonys have the best service menu out there if you know where everything's at and what it does. For instance, you can seperately optimize grayscale for each input/scanrate, the color decoder is fully adjustable, dynamic brightness can be eliminated, and there's full control of red, green, and blue gamma in addition to overall gamma.
Are there any Qualia 006 owners in Virginia, Ohio, or West Virginia that would like to get your set calibrated by someone who really loves this TV?

Chad

I live in northern Virginia. I don't have an 006 yet, but I will. :cool:
(Where the hell is that boat?)

How much is the "I've been itchin' to calibrate one" discount? :)

--Dwayne

Originally posted by kaduku
I will also provide you with some milk and cookies, while your working at it :D

Lobsters and fine wine might be more effective:D

Originally posted by kaduku
I will also provide you with some milk and cookies, while your working at it :D
Originally posted by wojtek
Lobsters and fine wine might be more effective:D
Looks like I have some shopping to do! :D

--Dwayne

GREAT NEWS!!!!

I just got the call from my local dealer. He will be delivering my Qualia 006 on February 26th. I will be getting the first one. 10% off to boot. :D

Originally posted by casey
GREAT NEWS!!!!

I just got the call from my local dealer. He will be delivering my Qualia 006 on February 26th. I will be getting the first one. 10% off to boot. :D
Well it’s about time that you joined the Qualia club and put something worthy on top of that beautiful stand of yours !!!

If I remember correctly you also have sort of an enclave that should fit the stand and 006 just about perfectly, correct?

Where are you from casey ? You didn’t get it from DocDVD by any chance -because I think he’s already gotten some allotment and sold to somebody in the family here.

Here is what it is going to look like. I will send a real picture when it gets here. I've since painted the room, added blinds and carpet.

Originally posted by casey
Here is what it is going to look like. I will send a real picture when it gets here. I've since painted the room, added blinds and carpet.

Casey,
Congratulations on the good news! The setup looks great, especially how the TV will fit in that enclave. What brand stand is that? I would also assume you have a bias lighting set-up already.

I do notice on that picture that the SXRD logo (assuming that is the logo) is below the Sony name. My 006 has it next to the memory stick slot.

It is a great stand. Very well made.

http://www.diamondcase.com/TT/TT_HTML_Files/TT400.HTML

Originally posted by kaduku
Who was that who said about how disappointing DVD viewing was on the 006. Well, my son and I are watching Shark Tale and it is just spectacular to watch it on the Qualia. I love this tv!!!!!!!!!!!
I just watched Shark Tale on the 006. It's really stunning. It's creepy how lifelike everthing looks. I felt like I could reach into the TV. It was far better quality than in the theater. I'm going to use that movie to show off the TV.

What do you guys with bias lighting on your sets think about this article?:

http://www.revolutionhometheater.com/howto/darkness/index.html

Damon

I think the first paragraph, which mentions "dimly lit stars on the ceiling", and the "dimly lit guides to your seat on the floor", is a good example of how even "reference theaters" have some light in the room. Do some people have possibly too much bias lighting? Sure. But from what I've seen having just a small amount of it can improve the overall viewing experience.

Originally posted by rcohen
I just watched Shark Tale on the 006. It's really stunning. It's creepy how lifelike everthing looks. I felt like I could reach into the TV. It was far better quality than in the theater. I'm going to use that movie to show off the TV.

You guys should post some more pictures of this TV in action :-) I know photos don't really show off any TV very well, but I still love seeing 'em! Anything to keep me going a bit longer until mine arrives... or alternatively it would tide me over if someone in Dallas with a 006 wanted to show off to a vistor... ;-)

BTW, the best shots (for me anyway) are the ones that have some ambient light in the room so that I can see the TV itself as well as the image. If the shot is taken in pitch blackness, then it might as well be a straight screencapture of the source for all I can tell ;-)

- paul

Originally posted by Owen
Both HTPC's and scalers can output 1080p video over a 1080i interface without any lose of quality.
The conversion of progressive frames at 30frames per second to interlaced fields at 60 fields per second and back to progressive frames at 30fps is a loss less process.

HTPC's should have there desktop resolution set to 1920x1080i 60Hz in display drivers which is the same as 1920x1080p 30Hz (Note that Powerstrip calls this mode 1920x1080 30Hz)
No lines are discarded in this mode and the Qualia will deinterlace (weave) the fields back together to form perfect 30fps progressive output.

I posted about this issue some time back in the "bandwagon" thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4964427#post4964427

Regards,

Owen


Thanks Owen, I saw your original post and the ensuing discussion in the original thread but at this price point I'm still hoping for some hands-on verification!

One question though: I thought the 006 was natively a 60Hz 1080p display, not a 30Hz display? If it's 60Hz, I can get decent 60fps gaming performance using a 60Hz 1080i output from the HTPC and using the 006's internal de-interlacer to fill in the missing lines, but if it's a 30Hz display I may be reduced to playing chess online or something! :)

Casey,
I have the same stand with my 60XBR950. Some posters have implied that a stand higher than 16 inches might be a problem with the 006. What do you think?

As Casey was one of the original members of the "Sony jumps" thread and has now re-joined us with good news, I was wondering if anybody knows about jason30.

Did he bail out on the 006 due to the price?
Anybody seen him on other threads?

I am very glad to hear all of the positive feedback. I had been holding off hoping that the secondary stores might allow for a bit of price adjusting and it sounds like that is exactly the case. Does anyone know of stores in Minnesota that are or will be selling the Qualia? Can't wait to get this into my house. Also I am interested in how large the box is that this comes in through - trying to plan where in the house to place it and I don't like the idea of having them move it out of the box (seen too many scratches and dents on items being moved and last thing I want to do is wait until the next shipment). Lots of congrats to you current owners and hope to be joining you soon.

Hey casey,
If I recall, you were also a Toshiba 1080p owner. Well bud, you don't have to worry about any *persistent blue* with the 006 !

Originally posted by thesirjay
Does anyone know of stores in Minnesota that are or will be selling the Qualia? Can't wait to get this into my house. Also I am interested in how large the box is that this comes in through - trying to plan where in the house to place it and I don't like the idea of having them move it out of the box (seen too many scratches and dents on items being moved and last thing I want to do is wait until the next shipment). Lots of congrats to you current owners and hope to be joining you soon.
I don't know for sure where casey is from. I thought he might be dealing with DocDVD, whose from the Atlanta area I believe.

Can't help you with the box dimensions. You're probably going to have to nab somebody whose delivery is imminent.

Originally posted by jb007
Wow, we now have more posts than the "JVC D-ILA Owner's first impressions" thread that has over 200,000 views and was started in 7/04.

Keep the information flowing . . . :)
Well then, it looks like that fisherman that was trolling around here a few days back and his disciple just better put it in high gear then !:D

Originally posted by casey
GREAT NEWS!!!!

I just got the call from my local dealer. He will be delivering my Qualia 006 on February 26th. I will be getting the first one. 10% off to boot. :D



Casey
You say 10% off. Did you get the impression that the price has dropped 10% or that they were giving you a break for having to wait????

Originally posted by Tulsa1
Well, I will take a stab at this one and anyone else can add or correct.

It does have an iris that is controlled by selecting "Cinema Black Pro",
where the iris is closed down to some degree. That is the extent of
the iris controls. Their is also a "Power Saver" mode which reduces the
intensity of the bulb causing a reduction in contrast and black level.
The combination of these two has been reported to be useful for
dark room viewing.

wintr-
I'll expound a bit on Tulsa's post as above.
According to Sony, at least in regards to the 004 (which actually does have 3 fixed iris settings I believe), "Cinema Black Pro" improves image quality and contrast level by simultaneously controlling the iris AND the lamp together to provide z perfecto pasta tomato sauce for "optimal picture performance for any screen size and room environment".

I presume that this concept was carried over to our 006 and is actually independent of the "Power Saver" mode setting for the lamp.

Tulsa-
Any problems?
Are all things going according to schedule ?

Originally posted by SRT-10 Viper
Sparkysj; Do you have your TV against the wall? The manual states the TV should be at least 4 inches away from the wall to allow for cooling. Colortv, I spent time with the light last night moving it to different locations. I tried like the previous poster had and put it on the slanted back. To me it was to harsh for my room (low ceilings). I then tried against the very back *where it is straight up and down) and found if low on that part of the TV, the light was pleasing for the room.


Viper,

Thanks very much for the tip about the distance from the wall. I guess I should start reading the manual more! Colortv, ignore that post about putting the light in the crease! I will now mount the bias light, and try it as you suggested. Thanks again.

sj

JimP
I'm actually now using three bias lights ( the GE ones from Home Depot) with the 006 when I turn my tracking lights completely off.

I mounted one on the top of the back and one on each of the sides. I think you're correct, a set this big needs MORE. It's all a matter of personal preference of course. Sometimes I turn my tracking lights onto the dimmest setting and just use one.

I just like the versatility of three because different guests prefer different things but I definitely don't think that 3 is overkill for my needs. Keep in mind I do not have a simple brightly colored wall behind the TV that is very reflective.

I am pleased to announce that I am (probably?) the first person in the U.S.A. in proud possession of an 006 replacement bulb. It arrived today (took one week by UPS ground service). I could not imagine going any length of time with this GREAT set out of commission.

I can now sleep at night...

:D :D :D

Well, put her in to make sure she works.
Time yourself with a stopwatch so we all know how long a process this is.

Sleep well my friend.

Tonight is the debut of the new Survivor series. Is that broadcast in HD ?
Here’s hoping there is more *survivor* than *back-stabber* because for the last few years I think the survival aspect has been downplayed compared to the first couple of years.

I must say I am excited to see how this will play on our TV’s because of the beautiful location.

I do have mixed emotions though….because Palau is one of the PREMIER destinations for serious scuba divers (I’m saying Top 5 List ! ) who would give their left …ah…would give anything to get a free trip to Palau just to put a mask and fins on after they were booted off the show – so I’d better not hear any whining from these contestants on how “hard it is” for twenty some days in paradise.

As you guys know, I've mentioned I have a calibration scheduled for 2 -23.

Well... its being postponed until the end of April or beginning of May. My calibration guy is purchasing a Photo Research PR-650 SpectraColorimeter and won't receive it until mid-April. Costs about 20K !!

http://www.photoresearch.com/current/pr650.asp

He says only about 6 other calibrationists in the U.S. own one, of which only one or two others do "national tours".

He does think there is always room for improvement with any set and that he can make a great display even better.

Here is a quote: For what it's worth, I've seen a handful of sets in the eight years that I've been doing this that looked very impressive after some minimal adjustments. However, even those select few professional monitors had a decent amount of room for improvement.



:) :)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Tonight is the debut of the new Survivor series. Is that broadcast in HD ?
Here’s hoping there is more *survivor* than *back-stabber* because for the last few years I think the survival aspect has been downplayed compared to the first couple of years.

I must say I am excited to see how this will play on our TV’s because of the beautiful location.

I do have mixed emotions though….because Palau is one of the PREMIER destinations for serious scuba divers (I’m saying Top 5 List ! ) who would give their left …ah…would give anything to get a free trip to Palau just to put a mask and fins on after they were booted off the show – so I’d better not hear any whining from these contestants on how “hard it is” for twenty some days in paradise.


No, not in HD, unfortunately.

nhey-
How many inputs are you having done ?

Originally posted by nhey

does think there is always room for improvement
:) :)
Yeah, unfortunately, that’s what my wife also says about our yard.
:eek:
How about posting his url again for anybody that’s interested and any dates that he has already set up for different parts of the country.

P.S. -Perhaps we could get some sort of group rate as there seems to be alot of owners in Cali.

Originally posted by nhey
No, not in HD, unfortunately.
You mean I actually HAVE to watch SD on my Qualia.:(

Originally posted by DANewsome
What do you guys with bias lighting on your sets think about this article?:

http://www.revolutionhometheater.com/howto/darkness/index.html

Damon

DANewsome, I agree with the article, sort of. Some dark movies look good in total darkness, while having bias lighting can be practical too. I tend to judge each movie with or without light while watching. Often bias lighting seems to improve the PQ, IMHO. It sounded like the author was trying to reproduce his childhood experiences as well.

sj

Originally posted by rcohen
I just watched Shark Tale on the 006. It's really stunning. It's creepy how lifelike everthing looks. I felt like I could reach into the TV. It was far better quality than in the theater. I'm going to use that movie to show off the TV.

I agree, this movie on the 006 is just stunning. I watched it on a Netflix loaner, and was just so mesmerized that I decided to buy the dvd. The stores should use this movie for their demo shows. Makes Finding Nemo look like crap (PQ, not story). It will definitely be one of my show off movies.

Originally posted by nhey
I am pleased to announce that I am (probably?) the first person in the U.S.A. in proud possession of an 006 replacement bulb. It arrived today (took one week by UPS ground service). I could not imagine going any length of time with this GREAT set out of commission.



Now you're making me think :D :D :D

This is a pic of my new sound system but I cant decide where to put the TV
I am planning on sitting back about 11 ft. Do you think it will be too far back
Roy

Originally posted by Chad B
...there's full control of red, green, and blue gamma in addition to overall gamma.
Chad
Hey Chad. I'm interested in your experience (and opinion) on adjusting Gamma as a Pro, specifically with Sony RPTV LCDs.

Do you find your self adjusting RGB Gamma individually, or mainly overall Gamma? Also, do you know the settings (or can you advise how to find 'em) for NTSC equivalent Gamma for Sony's settings of Off, Low, Med, High in their XS line?

Thanks!

I live in Michigan. My dealer just offered 10% off. I did not even ask.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/?articleID=4231

below is an excerpt from the above article. According to the last sentence below, Sony is working on smaller SXRD RPTV models.



No better way to wow journalists than with a new product proclaiming the future. The new 70-inch, high-definition, QUALIA 006 aims to “set itself apart from the pack in an industry promoting the slimmest models available,” says Sony’s senior marketing manager Robin Powell.

Current market stats show that almost half of Canadians own a rear projection TV (Canada is actually the world leader in buying rear projection TVs), and the two emerging darlings of home theatre enthusiasts — plasma and LCD TVs — have only managed to scoop up 16 per cent of the market. With HD being the new revolution, Sony has invested a lot of time and research money developing rear projection TVs, to open the door to stunning picture quality.


Robin Powell, Senior Marketing Manager for Sony of Canada, demonstrates Sony’s new 70-inch QUALIA 006 — the latest high-definition TV — to Digital Journal Features Editor, David Silverberg. — Photo by djc Features

Powell explains that new Sony-designed technology called SXRD delivers maximum 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution for HD viewing (compare that to Sony’s Grand Wega LCD, with a res of 1386 x 788). Creating uniform brightness across every frame is not just a tag line for journalists to snatch; it is essential for home-theatre fanatics, for TV lovers, for anyone desiring lush colours in a movie, show or sports match.

Also impressive is the QUALIA’s “Pure Red” colour reproduction, which creates stunning red colours via the Optical Engine. Often, some wide screen TVs display an orange tint to reddish hues, and watching Peter Parker don an orange-shaded superhero suit is always a buzz killer.

A few bonus features propel this TV into must-check-out status: an advanced video menu allows you adjust settings for each video input and also label them, so you can replace “Video 2” with “DVD”, for example; a replaceable 200-watt lamp makes HD viewing less cumbersome; a contrast ratio at 3000:1 with optimal black level reproduction creates a deeper black and a whiter white; and detachable speakers let creativity reign supreme in case of custom cabinet work.

Attached to any HD television this impressive is a price tag that will make many a jaw drop: $17,000, plus $2,000 for the stand. The QUALIA may not be ideal for the regular TV junkie, but it’s a dream gadget for serious home-theatre enthusiasts and millionaires looking to shed a few dollars.

But on to the sight test. Journalists were led to the Sony booth at the Interior Design Show, and we were then instructed to gather around a mammoth QUALIA displaying a gorgeous display of a high-definition nature show. My eyes tried to find some precedent to recall when I’d seen such a vibrant TV picture, but I soon realized I was viewing a benchmark in my life. How could I go back to my boring standard definition boob tube now?

Sony’s Powell was quick to grab a reporter and sit him three feet from the screen, saying the picture quality didn’t degrade at such an angle. The reporter turned to us and said, “I like it!” At any angle, at any position, the picture was well worth adoration. I tried hard to be skeptical but the only fault I could name was the high price. However, Powell assured us that Sony was working on smaller models using the same technology.

Originally posted by casey
I live in Michigan
Then plan on taking delivery in a snowstorm.:D

Casey: I also have ordered the TT400, in a custom finish (darker than walnut). However, it won't be delivered until April, so I don't plan to order the Sony until I can get a firm delivery date on the stand (I don't want to move that thing and risk damaging it).

The DiamondCase is a great stand, a very fine piece of finished furniture with hidden casters. It's not much more expensive than the Sanus or the Salamander triple. And .. it's the only stand that my spouse even halfway liked. :) There are only a few left on the end of March/April production left -- 4 left as of Tuesday, so if anyone else is interested in one, I would call soon. www.diamondcase.com. Talk to Fred, he's a great guy.

Cheers

Geez Joel,
You could probably get a friend with a pick-up (if you don't have one) and drive up to Yorba Linda to pick it up in an hour and a half or so.....saving yourself any delivery charges. They are right off the 57 Imperial Hwy. exit.

Originally posted by Joel
Salamander triple. And .. it's the only stand that my spouse even halfway liked. :)

Yeah, but you've got a much finer spouse now.:D

Originally posted by karson
Thanks Owen, I saw your original post and the ensuing discussion in the original thread but at this price point I'm still hoping for some hands-on verification!

One question though: I thought the 006 was natively a 60Hz 1080p display, not a 30Hz display? If it's 60Hz, I can get decent 60fps gaming performance using a 60Hz 1080i output from the HTPC and using the 006's internal de-interlacer to fill in the missing lines, but if it's a 30Hz display I may be reduced to playing chess online or something! :)


Don’t get confused between game frame rates and display frame rates, as they are not directly related.
Play stations and Xbox’s only use 30fps, as that is all a standard TV will display, and they do not have a problem with regard to smooth movement as fare as I am aware (I am not a gamer).

Rcohen made a good point:

Quote
“You can't have 1080 res and 60fps simultaneously. A deinterlacer has to sacrifice resolution or FPS, or just display interlaced. Ideally, it can automatically switch between resolution and frame-rate, depending on the contents of the signal. When outputting a 30fps signal at 1080i, it can be lossless.”

My congratulations go to rcohen, as he is the first person I have come across that obviously has a good understanding of interlacing systems.
So many people are under the misapprehension that a 1080p input is required for a 1080p display to achieve full performance when in fact, 1080p at up to 30fps can be transferred over a 1080i interface without any degradation.

This question was put to staff in the Pro division at Sony Australia and they confirmed that a 1080p interface is not required to display full 1080p video.

As for the 006, well we don’t know what refresh rate is used to drive the screen, it could well be 60Hz. However, since the display is intended as a video display only, and does not suffer from flicker, there is no need to support a refresh rate greater then 30Hz for 1080 input.
However, it is very possible that 720p 60fps input will be scaled to 1080p and displayed at 60fps.
I don’t know if anyone has tried using a 1280x720p 60Hz input on the 006 to see what happens.
It could be just what you gaming people are looking for. :D

Regards,

Owen

Originally posted by Owen
As for the 006, well we don’t know what refresh rate is used to drive the screen, it could well be 60Hz. However, since the display is intended as a video display only, and does not suffer from flicker, there is no need to support a refresh rate greater then 30Hz for 1080 input.
However, it is very possible that 720p 60fps input will be scaled to 1080p and displayed at 60fps.
I don’t know if anyone has tried using a 1280x720p 60Hz input on the 006 to see what happens.
It could be just what you gaming people are looking for. :D


Owen, you bring up a good point... I hope this isn't the case, but if the qualia only supports 1080i/30hz input (vs. 1080i 60hz input) then it's impossible to feed it at its max display resolution.

As an example: This is still up for debate I guess, but let's assume for the sake of argument that blu-ray/hd-dvd's will eventually ship with 1080p content at either 24 or 30fps. Lemme take the 24fps example for now...

So you pop your 1080p/24fps disc in the player that's hooked up to the qualia at 1080i (max RESOLUTION input the qualia supports, it sounds like) and hit play. In a perfect world, the player would output 1080i at 48hz. This would allow the Qualia 006 to weave the frames back together into a 24fps output and it would be a totally lossless process with an identical resolution to true 1080p/24.

But... this assumes two things:

#1: The player knows to output 1080i at 48hz instead of 24hz (or in the case of a 30fps source, it would need to output at 60hz instead of 30hz.) Do existing DVD players do this kind of thing now at lower (480/720) resolutions?

#2: The second thing assumed here is that the qualia can accept a 48/60hz input at 1080i. I'm pretty sure this is true, but the way to verify it would be for someone to feed the qualia from their HTPC at 1920x1080ix60hz (NOT 30hz.)

Any thoughts guys?

- paul

Originally posted by kaduku
I agree, this movie on the 006 is just stunning. I watched it on a Netflix loaner, and was just so mesmerized that I decided to buy the dvd. The stores should use this movie for their demo shows. Makes Finding Nemo look like crap (PQ, not story). It will definitely be one of my show off movies.

Make sure you see the Japanese animation "Spirited Away". Wonderful plot for adults as well as kids and the artwork rendition by the Qualia is beautiful. It is my favorite.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by wintr

Any thoughts guys?

- paul
Sony Blu-ray outputs 1080i...unequivocally.:)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Yeah, unfortunately, that’s what my wife also says about our yard.
:eek:
How about posting his url again for anybody that’s interested and any dates that he has already set up for different parts of the country.

P.S. -Perhaps we could get some sort of group rate as there seems to be alot of owners in Cali.


Right now, I'm probably going to have one component and one HDMI input, but may get both HDMI inputs.

www.avical.com

He has not as yet done any 006s. He does tours around the country when he has enough interest in a certain area. He will not leave until he is satisfied he has gotten you the best picture possible. I'd describe him as a video perfectionist. If any owners are interested, PM me and I'll get a list going. I agree it seems as if there are a number of owners in California. If we can get enough, I might be able to get some sort of discount. Of course, I can't be sure, but I'll be glad to try.

Originally posted by casey
It is a great stand. Very well made.

http://www.diamondcase.com/TT/TT_HTML_Files/TT400.HTML

Casey,
Regarding the stand, does the middle compartment open up or what?

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Sony Blu-ray outputs 1080i...unequivocally.:)

I definitely don't doubt that! :) But resolution isn't the whole issue... isn't frequency also a factor? What I'm curious about is whether a blu-ray player would output (and whether the Qualia can input) 1080i at 48/60hz or whether it's limited to 24/30hz.

- paul

Originally posted by Penton-Man

….because Palau is one of the PREMIER destinations for serious scuba divers (I’m saying Top 5 List ! ) who would give their left …ah…would give anything to get a free trip to Palau just to put a mask and fins on after they were booted off the show – so I’d better not hear any whining from these contestants on how “hard it is” for twenty some days in paradise.

Yes, too bad it's not HD. About Palau, I'd say top three. I lived near Palau and was a frequent visitor. I am an Open Water Diver and if you are one too or just a snorkeler, you must dive Palau at least once during your lifetime or at least see the place. It is like nothing else in this world, especially the rock islands (query it on the web). Beautiful and stunning, just like the Qualia.

Originally posted by kaduku
Yes, too bad it's not HD. About Palau, I'd say top three. I lived near Palau and was a frequent visitor. I am an Open Water Diver and if you are one too or just a snorkeler, you must dive Palau at least once during your lifetime or at least see the place. It is like nothing else in this world, especially the rock islands (query it on the web). Beautiful and stunning, just like the Qualia.

Hmmm, this sounds like H20Sports territory.

Be skiing ya,

jb007 :D

I’m not really sure what your point is wintr.
Blu-Ray etc will output 1080p 30 frame per second video over the industry standard 1080i 60 fields per second interface (60Hz) that all HD TV’s support.
The 006 will weave deinterlace this to 1080p 30fps for display.
The screen never needs to run at more then 30 fps (30Hz) for 1080 video source.
Only 720p60 requires the screen to run at 60Hz
Does anyone know if the 006 supports 720p 60 ?

At this stage it does not look like the 006 supports 1080p 24. I am not sure if anyone has tried 1080i 48. What’s worse for us prospective 006 owners down under, is that according to Sony Australia, the 006 does NOT support 1080i 50Hz for PAL countries such as Australia, which is a major let down for us.

Any thoughts I had of importing a 006 from the US are on hold pending confirmation of 50Hz support.
Most displays that can sync to 50Hz, can also sync to 48Hz and therefor allow 24p operation for film.
Maybe one of you kind Qualia owners that also have a HTPC can test 1080i 50Hz operation to settle this issue once and for all.
If you need Power Strip timings for 1080i 50Hz please PM me.

Regards to all,

Owen

Originally posted by karson
One question though: I thought the 006 was natively a 60Hz 1080p display, not a 30Hz display? If it's 60Hz, I can get decent 60fps gaming performance using a 60Hz 1080i output from the HTPC and using the 006's internal de-interlacer to fill in the missing lines, but if it's a 30Hz display I may be reduced to playing chess online or something! :)
Um, here's the deal. 30Hz is plenty fast for any fast-action game. Otherwise you'd never have played any game on any television set, ever. The human eye and brain start to perceive a rapid slide-show as actual motion at about 24Hz, which is why movies (and PAL television at 25Hz) use that rate. NTSC uses 30Hz because it's a little faster than 24 and syncs up nicely with our 60Hz power grid.

When you see game benchmarks that claim "164 frames per second", it's just a convenient way of measuring how fast your computer (CPU and video card, mainly) is over the life of the benchmark. Most games will never display more than 30-40 frames per second because that's how fast the game engine operates.

Every game engine is a little different, but id Software's family of Doom and Quake game engines makes a good teaching example. They all have a mode called "timedemo" that very few people actually know what it does. The original Doom engine is the simplist example: during normal gameplay the engine divides all timing and events into a 35Hz system. (Newer engines do use a faster base clock, I just happen to recall that Doom used 35Hz.) If your computer is capable of more than 35Hz, you get 35Hz, period. If your computer is not capable of 35Hz, you get what it is capable of. If your computer is capable of more than twice that, you'll effectively get multiple frames that are exactly the same--but the picture can only change 35 times per second because nothing in the game moves more often than that. (All of this is further limited by the refresh rate of your monitor, but that's another topic.)

The timedemo mode turns this notion on it's head. Instead of connecting the game engine to a real-time clock so that time in the game passes, well, in real-time, the game engine is set to run as fast as the display will allow with the assumption that each formerly-35Hz tick of the clock gets rendered exactly once, regardless of whether your computer can do it faster or slower than that. Then you can calculate the speed of your system based on the number of frames it renders (variable in normal gameplay, fixed in timedemo) versus the time that elapses from start to finish (fixed in normal gameplay, variable in timedemo).

Number of frames versus elapsed time? Frames per second. But no one plays the game in this mode. It's just a benchmark. You might as well try saying that a Porsche going 55mph is "faster" than a Yugo going 55mph. Not really true. What is true is that the Porsche's extra horsepower makes it more likely to still be able to sustain 55mph up a steep hill.

So can we please stop with the complaints that "30Hz isn't fast enough for games" since I doubt that anyone saying it has ever actually played a game at 120Hz--even when they think they have.

--Dwayne

Over-simplified short version for Penton-Man, who admits to skipping over long posts no matter how brilliant and/or insightful they are: :D
All games run at 30Hz. :cool:

On the issue of a smaller, Sony branded SXRD display. Well feed back from Sony Australia indicates that we will be getting a Sony branded SXRD RPTV latter this year (Q4?), not the Qualia 006.
It is not known if it will be a 70” model or 60”, but most likely a 60”.
Obviously this model will need to accept 1080i 50Hz to meet our HD standard and most probably will accept 1080i 48Hz as it is very close to 50Hz.
All HD TV’s sold here are multi standard and will also accept 1080i 60Hz as well.

It is pure speculation that the availability of a 60” XBR type model in world markets such as Australia, will mean that a similar model will be available in the US, as the models available in the US are often very different the those available to rest of the world, for some strange reason best known to the manufacturers.

Regards to all,

Owen

Now that’s tellin em Zechman. :D

Owen

Originally posted by skoolpsyk
ok, fess up. Who has watched porn on their 006? :)

Okay, I have to admit that I did see some form of humans exchanging fluids on the 006, and I must say that it was breathtaking :D

Originally posted by jb007
Hmmm, this sounds like H20Sports territory.

Be skiing ya,

jb007 :D

Thanks for thinking of me jb007!

But, in my case, "h2osports" refers to water skiing, wake boarding, wake surfing and Sky Skiing. Both in terms of my avocation as well as my vocation. Living in Maine, the (fresh) water's a bit "hard" right now; thus business is a bit on the slow side! But with "Boat Show Season" just around the corner, things will be picking up soon.

Be skiing ya,

DSG

BTW, Palau does sound like a beautiful place to visit and/or dive.

Sorry for going OT:D

Dwayne,

That would be great! Hmmm, how about I'll do the 006 for the price of a direct view instead of a projection? That knocks off $80 from my already low, low price. And if you act now, you can take advantage of no interest and no payments till after you get the set! ;)
Hehehe... Anyway, just let me know when you get it and we'll set up a time!

Chad

Kaduku

quote: ok, fess up. Who has watched porn on their 006?

Okay, I have to admit that I did see some form of humans exchanging fluids on the 006, and I must say that it was breathtaking



Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaa now we understand what those covers for your Qualias are really for. It's the Qualia Condom.

Bad Kaduku Bad.

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Kaduku





Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaa now we understand what those covers for your Qualias are really for. It's the Qualia Condom.

Bad Kaduku Bad.


LOL :D :D :D

kaduku-

Yes it opens. I have a good sized center channel in the middle section with a Monster Power Center below.


http://www.diamondcase.com/TT/TT_HTML_Files/TT400_Open.HTML

Originally posted by casey
kaduku-

Yes it opens. I have a good sized center channel in the middle section with a Monster Power Center below.


http://www.diamondcase.com/TT/TT_HTML_Files/TT400_Open.HTML

Casey - I seriously considered the TT400 but decided to get the Sony stand because the TT400 is about 24" tall while the Sony is about 16" tall. I was concerned about having to look up while watching the set. Do you find the height a problem?

Casey, I also am located in Michigan. Where abouts is this dealer located?

kmh71; Not sure where Casey is but there is a dealer that has them of 12 mile in Farmington that offered me the same deal prior to me buyig from Sony.

SRT-10 Viper

Do you recall if they included the same 3 year warranty??

I'm trying to determine if there is any difference other than price by waiting a few weeks for this next shipment to get into dealers' warehouses vs buying direct from Sony.

Son of a gun. He did it!!!! He had mentioned it, but at the price, I didn't know if he would pull the trigger.

He did tell me that with the new displays, it was the only way to stay competitive as a calibrator.

He has to do at a minimum 200 calibrations to get a return on that investment.

Go Eli!!!!

Originally posted by nhey
As you guys know, I've mentioned I have a calibration scheduled for 2 -23.

Well... its being postponed until the end of April or beginning of May. My calibration guy is purchasing a Photo Research PR-650 SpectraColorimeter and won't receive it until mid-April. Costs about 20K !!

http://www.photoresearch.com/current/pr650.asp

He says only about 6 other calibrationists in the U.S. own one, of which only one or two others do "national tours".

He does think there is always room for improvement with any set and that he can make a great display even better.

Here is a quote: For what it's worth, I've seen a handful of sets in the eight years that I've been doing this that looked very impressive after some minimal adjustments. However, even those select few professional monitors had a decent amount of room for improvement.



:) :)

Originally posted by slocko
Son of a gun. He did it!!!! He had mentioned it, but at the price, I didn't know if he would pull the trigger.

He did tell me that with the new displays, it was the only way to stay competitive as a calibrator.

He has to do at a minimum 200 calibrations to get a return on that investment.

Go Eli!!!!


Slocko - I forget - do you own an 006, and are you going to get it calibrated by Eliab??

nhey,
I may be interested, but I'd like to wait on the first report on a home calibrated set. I guess there's always room for improvements, but just how much. The picture is so good already. I have been watching this thing on vivid, factory settings, except for picture, which I toned it down to 56, and I did hear that once calibrated, I will have to get used to it being darker.

Originally posted by nhey
www.avical.com

He has not as yet done any 006s. He does tours around the country when he has enough interest in a certain area. He will not leave until he is satisfied he has gotten you the best picture possible. I'd describe him as a video perfectionist. If any owners are interested, PM me and I'll get a list going. I agree it seems as if there are a number of owners in California. If we can get enough, I might be able to get some sort of discount. Of course, I can't be sure, but I'll be glad to try.

After reading the FAQs on Avical.com, I realized that I am watching on torch mode on my 006, thus reducing life span on the bulb and maybe the set itself. I know several owners have posted different settings in Pro mode. Can someone please send me the settings that seems to work for them. I will use these settings only until professionally calibrated.

Originally posted by Zechman
Um, here's the deal......................................................

Over-simplified short version for Penton-Man, who admits to skipping over long posts no matter how brilliant and/or insightful they are: :D
All games run at 30Hz. :cool:

Ha ! You are soooooo right. You know me too well.:D

I red (I like my reds !)…….Um…here’s the deal....................................
skipped all the rest, then scrawled down to the end and was extremely gratified to see a one sentence pearl of wisdom that I can now retain at least for several years.

Originally posted by nhey
I'd describe him as a video perfectionist.
Well that sounds good.
Perfection works great for things like displays and brain surgery so I may well be interested.

First I'd like to see what differences he provides you after callibration and also I kinda want to put more hours on my lamp.

Thanks again for the link for all of us.

Originally posted by kaduku
After reading the FAQs on Avical.com, I realized that I am watching on torch mode on my 006, thus reducing life span on the bulb and maybe the set itself. I know several owners have posted different settings in Pro mode. Can someone please send me the settings that seems to work for them. I will use these settings only until professionally calibrated.
Kuduku –

I’ve tried all the settings helpfully posted by jb007 on page1 of this thread over component (cable stb and DVD player) DVI/HDMI (cable stb) and HDMI (DVD player).

For ME, I’ve found brt’s settings to be the most appealing. The only thing that I changed from his listed settings was that I set the Color Space to Wide. Oh, also I left the sharpness at stock setting of 25 in the Pro Mode ---everything else same as brt.

Yes, Palau is fabulous. My Top 5 list (in no particular order) is:
1. Galapagos Islands
2. French Polynesia to include Rangiroa in the Tuamotu’s just next door a bit.(Tahiti, --- Bora, Bora,etc. …and oh, the fringe benefits !)
3. Gulf of Aquaba in the Red Sea
4. Great Barrier Reef in Owen’s part of the world
and of course
5. Palau

Been to each and done all (primarily scuba).
Some things you just have to do before they put you into the ground.:)
Another is watching Hi- Def on a Qualia 006.:D

Originally posted by Penton-Man

1. Galapagos Islands
2. French Polynesia to include Rangiroa in the Tuamotu’s just next door a bit.
3. Gulf of Aquaba in the Red Sea
4. Great Barrier Reef in Owen’s part of the world
and of course
5. Palau



Nothing like the Qualia Owner's thread to learn about the finer things in life...:)

Penton - did you see the hammerheads in the Galapagos? I visited the islands twice - one of my favorite parts of the world. I scanned all my Galapagos Fuji Velvia slides into my hard drive - I hope to display them on a 50" Qualia someday.

Originally posted by wojtek

Penton - did you see the hammerheads in the Galapagos? I visited the islands twice - one of my favorite parts of the world. I scanned all my Galapagos Fuji Velvia slides into my hard drive - I hope to display them on a 50" Qualia someday.
Yes, a veritable FLEET of them swimming with that characteristic side to side motion with their snouts.

It was one of the most amazing things I’ve ever witnessed underwater and I captured it on 16mm film (God, I guess that dates me – but I was probably just over 20 years old at the time).

Penton and Wojtek-

I think the Maldives should be in the list of the top 5. Personally I found the diving there to exceed the Great Barrier Reef by quite a lot. (I went to outer, less visited parts of the reef, on an extended live aboard dive boat).

If you haven't been to the Maldives, I highly suggest going. Not sure if the recent Tsunami caused any long-term damage.

Originally posted by SF_Theater
Penton and Wojtek-

(I went to outer, less visited parts of the reef, on an extended live aboard dive boat).

Not to get WAY off topic (as if we aren’t there by now- but I'll make this short) ... live aboard dive boats, SF_Theater, San Francisco, brings back memories of Al Giddings, Dewey Bergman, and Carl Roessler.

Originally posted by sparkysj
Viper,

Thanks very much for the tip about the distance from the wall. I guess I should start reading the manual more! Colortv, ignore that post about putting the light in the crease! I will now mount the bias light, and try it as you suggested. Thanks again.

sj

After I finally got all the optical connections, etc. made to my setup, I pushed the stand back to 4" from the wall. Problem with mounting the bias light on the angled surface is that it throws a lot of light onto the ceiling which I find annoying. I'd prefer to contain the light to the wall behind the 006. So I remounted the light to the lowest part of the vertical angle on the back of the TV, directly above the connections panel. A bit of light escapes to the ceiling, but much less than the other way.

More on the TT-400: You can customize the unit; I ordered it (and it appears Casey did as well) with the center cabinet door having a grill cloth. You can order it open or with glass, etc. They also have optional fans, lighting and ventilated shelving (I ordered it with ventilated shelves but no fans).

And Penton-Man, AMEN on your spouse comment! :) I know those guys are off the 57, 90 minutes away, but I won't risk banging it around in a pickup, I'll let them take that risk for a few bucks.

Cheers

For diving, try the other side of Australia--The NorthWest Cape and Exmouth. The Ningaloo Reef is swimming distance from the mainland (not a two-hour boatride as in the Great Barrier Reef) and if you are there at the right time (Northern Spring), you can swim with the Whale Sharks. It is one of the best kept secrets in Australia.

Originally posted by Owen
Don’t get confused between game frame rates and display frame rates, as they are not directly related.
Play stations and Xbox’s only use 30fps, as that is all a standard TV will display, and they do not have a problem with regard to smooth movement as fare as I am aware (I am not a gamer).

Rcohen made a good point:

Quote
“You can't have 1080 res and 60fps simultaneously. A deinterlacer has to sacrifice resolution or FPS, or just display interlaced. Ideally, it can automatically switch between resolution and frame-rate, depending on the contents of the signal. When outputting a 30fps signal at 1080i, it can be lossless.”

My congratulations go to rcohen, as he is the first person I have come across that obviously has a good understanding of interlacing systems.
So many people are under the misapprehension that a 1080p input is required for a 1080p display to achieve full performance when in fact, 1080p at up to 30fps can be transferred over a 1080i interface without any degradation.

This question was put to staff in the Pro division at Sony Australia and they confirmed that a 1080p interface is not required to display full 1080p video.

As for the 006, well we don’t know what refresh rate is used to drive the screen, it could well be 60Hz. However, since the display is intended as a video display only, and does not suffer from flicker, there is no need to support a refresh rate greater then 30Hz for 1080 input.
However, it is very possible that 720p 60fps input will be scaled to 1080p and displayed at 60fps.
I don’t know if anyone has tried using a 1280x720p 60Hz input on the 006 to see what happens.
It could be just what you gaming people are looking for. :D

Regards,

Owen

Believe me I'm not confused between game FPS and visual FPS, but the simple fact is that if my game is delivering output at 100fps and my display only refreshes 30 times a second, I'm limited to a 30fps gaming experience. And while games can indeed look good at 30fps, believe me they look and play better at 60fps and 100fps, in some cases MUCH better - remember XBox etc. games are optimized for TVs with fized, slow refresh rates and look so smooth because they make extensive use of blurring etc., whereas PC displays routinely top 120Hz VRR and so are generally designed to make use of high-end systems where available.

I guess the million dollar question is really what the exact refresh rate of the 006 is? It's almost certainly a fixed rate, and if it needs to support a 60p input it's at least 60Hz which would imply a 60fps gaming experience, does anyone know for sure a) what the refresh rate is or b) if the 006 supports a 60 frames-per-second progressive input at any resolution?

I bought it at Paulson's Audio & Video in Farmington Hills, Michigan.

Is my stand too high at 24 inch? I do not think so.......................I will know in a week. The Qualia 006 has excellent vertical viewing angles , so no issue there. I also wanted the stand to be functional. I configured it to hold seven pieces of equipment. I also wanted it raised slightly so I could see it better from other rooms.

I too got the ventilated shelves without the fan.

One other comment on the stand. The center section is wider than the outer sections. This allows more room for a good sized center channel.

dimensions
http://diamondcase.com/TT/TT_HTML_Files/TT400_Dims.HTML

And following Casey's comments, I think the stand height issue depends in part on how far away you sit, not to mention being a personal preference. If you are at 7-8 feet, height may be more of an ergonomic issue (as Casey says, it's not a PQ issue because of the vertical viewing angles) than if you are at 15 feet. My viewing distance is going to be about 13-14 feet, so I am not concerned about a slightly higher stand (I also have some intervening furniture). Each situation is slightly different.

Cheers

No 006 for me until June/July when I move to Florida.

Hopefully by then it will be $1000 dollars with 10 bulbs thrown in for free.

Originally posted by kaduku
After reading the FAQs on Avical.com, I realized that I am watching on torch mode on my 006, thus reducing life span on the bulb and maybe the set itself. I know several owners have posted different settings in Pro mode. Can someone please send me the settings that seems to work for them. I will use these settings only until professionally calibrated.
I don't believe any of your picture settings will have an effect (negative)
on the life of the lamp or TV as the lamp burns at the full 200W all
the time unless you utilize the "Power Saver" mode.
I am drawing this conclusion because my power center monitors the
current draw +/- 0.1amp and the picture modes settings make no difference.
The "Power Saver" mode does however.
Unlike plasma the SXRD is not hurt by maximum settings.
Just my .02

Martin

Originally posted by Tulsa1
I don't believe any of your picture settings will have an effect (negative)
on the life of the lamp or TV as the lamp burns at the full 200W all
the time unless you utilize the "Power Saver" mode.
I am drawing this conclusion because my power center monitors the
current draw +/- 0.1amp and the picture modes settings make no difference.
The "Power Saver" mode does however.
Unlike plasma the SXRD is not hurt by maximum settings.


Well, this is good to hear and that does make sense. Though I like the smoothness of PRO mode, I'm already so used to that vivid look. I will look at PRO mode again tonight when it is a darker.

I spoke to a Sony Marketing VP (my company has a direct relationship with sony and several other CE manuf.) and he said there IS going to be a 60" SXRD (7.9K MSRP street 7.6k) but it won't be until Q4 05'-Q1 06. Yields on SXRD are not up to capacity so they can only build approx. 3-5 a day (they are hand-built in Miyagi, Japan then shipped to the West coast (hence the short supply on the east coast)). He said they don't see a threat to their 1080p business until Q1-Q2 06' from JVC lcos and they don't think LG/Panasonic 3LCD is a worthy product (alot of people out there love Sony and the Quality of product and picture).

All those looking for a more affordable and smaller Qualia, start saving because you may have your TV for Christmas/Channukah and next years Super Bowl.

Cheers

Originally posted by spider4re
I spoke to a Sony Marketing VP (my company has a direct relationship with sony and several other CE manuf.) and he said there IS going to be a 60" SXRD (7.9K MSRP street 7.76k) but it won't be until Q4 05'-Q1 06.
Cheers I like the idea of the 60" and the price is understandable. By Q4 '05-Q1 '06 there will be 60" LCDs around the corner and we fence sitters will never make a purchase ;) It just doesn't get any easier. Thanks for the info.

Originally posted by spider4re
Yields on SXRD are not up to capacity so they can only build approx. 3-5 a day ...

...start saving because you may have your TV for Christmas/Channukah and next years Super Bowl.

Cheers

Holy Molly, at a production speed of 3-5/day not only should we start saving but also need to get on the waiting list....

I see I am going to have a hard time with my large and heavy B&W 30" X 13" Center! Will they customize, and is this stand more $$$ than the Sony stand? I do not see pricing anywhere.


Originally posted by casey
One other comment on the stand. The center section is wider than the outer sections. This allows more room for a good sized center channel.

dimensions
http://diamondcase.com/TT/TT_HTML_Files/TT400_Dims.HTML

Base price is $2000.

Is it better to have the center speaker below or above the display?

Neo2005

The concensus is that its better to have the center channel speaker above the set.

I chose to place mine under it as the minor trade off in audio quality for an improvement is asthetics. I'm using Atlantic Tech 450 series speakers. They're fairly heavy and its kind of nice to get away from a big honking center channel above the set look.

Originally posted by Tulsa1
I don't believe any of your picture settings will have an effect (negative)
on the life of the lamp or TV as the lamp burns at the full 200W all
the time unless you utilize the "Power Saver" mode.
I am drawing this conclusion because my power center monitors the
current draw +/- 0.1amp and the picture modes settings make no difference.
The "Power Saver" mode does however.
Unlike plasma the SXRD is not hurt by maximum settings.
Just my .02

Martin

Good observation about the power.

Dilbert1

I'm sure most, if not everyone, on this forum uses the "Google" search engine. But maybe not everyone here is familiar with the "Google Answers" service.

In any case, I came across a question on the site that has pertinence to this thread:

http://www.answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=473981

He is willing to pay $30 for a correct response. I assume this person is not a member here:)

Be skiing ya,

DSG

Originally posted by ext
By Q4 '05-Q1 '06 there will be 60" LCDs around the corner and we fence sitters will never make a purchase ;)

A 60" LCD does not belong in the same room with the Qualia 006, PQ-wise.

A 60" SED may.

A 60" Qualia 005 LCD may, too, due to family connections:)

Thank you. I did not see that on their site. I forgot how much the Qualia stand was, but I, too, wonder about height.

Originally posted by casey
Base price is $2000.

I thought the Qualia stand was $1,500.

Originally posted by Tulsa1
I don't believe any of your picture settings will have an effect (negative)
on the life of the lamp or TV as the lamp burns at the full 200W all
the time unless you utilize the "Power Saver" mode.
I am drawing this conclusion because my power center monitors the
current draw +/- 0.1amp and the picture modes settings make no difference.
The "Power Saver" mode does however.
Unlike plasma the SXRD is not hurt by maximum settings.
Just my .02

Martin

Martin,

Good observation! Also keep in mind that Sony has revolutionized LCOS technology with an "inorganic" vs "organic" thin layer of silicon compound that does not degrade over time exposed to intense heat. Thus SXRD.
IMHO, this was the beginning of "The Holy Grail" as we see on our sets today AND tomorrow!:cool:

sj

OK, thank you.


Originally posted by Ed Weinman
I thought the Qualia stand was $1,500.

Originally posted by Tulsa1
Unlike plasma the SXRD is not hurt by maximum settings.
Just my .02

Martin
Martin, none of your posts are worth only .02
More like....mucho mas dinero...$$$$$$$.

Originally posted by mpsan
Thank you. I did not see that on their site.
It's not.
One must ask.

Originally posted by Ed Weinman
I thought the Qualia stand was $1,500.
:D
tanks jb!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Martin, none of your posts are worth only .02
More like....mucho mas dinero...$$$$$$$.

yours are too, PM!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
It's not.
One must ask.
PM,

You gotta watch those long-winded replies...

:-D

Originally posted by brt3
PM,

You gotta watch those long-winded replies...

:-D
:D

.

Originally posted by Owen
Don’t get confused between game frame rates and display frame rates, as they are not directly related.
Play stations and Xbox’s only use 30fps, as that is all a standard TV will display, and they do not have a problem with regard to smooth movement as fare as I am aware (I am not a gamer).

Rcohen made a good point:

Quote
“You can't have 1080 res and 60fps simultaneously. A deinterlacer has to sacrifice resolution or FPS, or just display interlaced. Ideally, it can automatically switch between resolution and frame-rate, depending on the contents of the signal. When outputting a 30fps signal at 1080i, it can be lossless.”

My congratulations go to rcohen, as he is the first person I have come across that obviously has a good understanding of interlacing systems.
So many people are under the misapprehension that a 1080p input is required for a 1080p display to achieve full performance when in fact, 1080p at up to 30fps can be transferred over a 1080i interface without any degradation.

This question was put to staff in the Pro division at Sony Australia and they confirmed that a 1080p interface is not required to display full 1080p video.

As for the 006, well we don’t know what refresh rate is used to drive the screen, it could well be 60Hz. However, since the display is intended as a video display only, and does not suffer from flicker, there is no need to support a refresh rate greater then 30Hz for 1080 input.
However, it is very possible that 720p 60fps input will be scaled to 1080p and displayed at 60fps.
I don’t know if anyone has tried using a 1280x720p 60Hz input on the 006 to see what happens.
It could be just what you gaming people are looking for. :D

Regards,

Owen
I don't know what the 006 displays at, but I'd be very surprised if it isn't 60hz. I assure you that all game consoles can output 60hz, and all standard TVs can display 60hz (albeit interlaced). Some game software doesn't run at 60hz, but many games do. There's definitely a noticeable difference between 30 and 60 on a game, but most people wouldn't recognize it without seeing a side-by-side comparison. It's more of a subconscious thing. 60hz games feel a lot more responsive - especially action games. For movies (including most CG movies), the relatively low 24hz frame rate isn't as noticeable, thanks to motion blur. Video games don't have motion blur, since doing it well has too high of a performance cost, for such a subtle effect. If CG movies didn't have motion blur at 24hz, they would look terrible.

Originally posted by IamtheWolf
Hey Chad. I'm interested in your experience (and opinion) on adjusting Gamma as a Pro, specifically with Sony RPTV LCDs.

Do you find your self adjusting RGB Gamma individually, or mainly overall Gamma? Also, do you know the settings (or can you advise how to find 'em) for NTSC equivalent Gamma for Sony's settings of Off, Low, Med, High in their XS line?

Thanks!

In the service menu, the r, g, and b gamma each have a value of 0-15, with 0 giving the highest measured number of about 2.9, and 15 going the other way with a measured result of around 1.8 or 1.9. I like to shoot for a reading of between 2.2-2.5, with 2.2 being great for living room tvs with little light control, and 2.5 looking good for darkened theater tvs. On the Sony LCDs, I start with putting all the gamma numbers at 6, which gives a reading of about 2.3, and then I calibrate the grayscale. There is always a color or 2 that tracks a little different across the grayscale, and 1 click of gamma always gives perfect results after retweaking the grayscale. In other words, if blue tracks well at 20 IRE and 100 but peaks up a few percent around 50, I take the blue gamma nuber down 1 number to 5, and retweak the grayscale. It is so close to perfection afterwords it's almost unbelievable. My typical settings in the end might be r 7, g 6, and b 5 just for an example. But don't try this yourself without the right test equipment because it has an effect on the grayscale.
I have not experimented much with the user presets (I do all gamma work in the service menu), but I did fool with them a little on one set. Unfortunately, I can't remember exactly how they acted. I know at one extreme the gamma will measure around 2.9 (too bland) and at the other extreme around 1.9 (too vivid). I think the middle two (low and med) settings were in the acceptable range.

Originally posted by mark haflich
Wow. For the next delivery of these from Qualia dealers other than the Sony owned NYC and Vegas stores end prices to the consumer are really dropping. Big big BIG savings are out there for those who waited.

Not necessarily. Early adopters may have gotten a better deal than you know depending upon where they bought the TV and before it was clear there would be a strong demand. If the TV is popular and Sony can't supply enough the price may stay above $10k for quite a while.

One thing is for sure the price will come down eventually but I suspect that these big screens will stay expensive for a few years.

Dilbert

Originally posted by kaduku
Chad B,
From your first impression of the Qualia 006, do you even think the 006 can be improved, if so, by how much?

Honestly, it looked incredible, but my buddy and I did see some things that could be improved. I could tell there was some red push, and compared to the Qualia 004 they had set up close by, the color temp on the 006 was noticeably cooler (bluer).
I think after calibration of the grayscale and color decoder the picture will have richer colors and purer whites, but without making skintones look overly sunburnt.

Originally posted by mark haflich
Big big BIG savings are out there for those who waited.

How do they do it??? Volume, volume, VOLUME!!!

Seriously, though, we ALL know that OUR units (numbers 1 to 300) were lovingly hand-assembled by those little Sony elves in a hollow tree, right??? Unlike those other Qualia 006s, subjected to an ungodly boat trip on treacherous seas in that BRUTAL salt air, OUR babies were lovingly airlifted on Northwest Airlines and softly lowered into placed by the gentle hands of those princes at NVS ...

Originally posted by rcohen
I don't know what the 006 displays at, but I'd be very surprised if it isn't 60hz. I assure you that all game consoles can output 60hz, and all standard TVs can display 60hz (albeit interlaced). Some game software doesn't run at 60hz, but many games do. There's definitely a noticeable difference between 30 and 60 on a game, but most people wouldn't recognize it without seeing a side-by-side comparison. It's more of a subconscious thing. 60hz games feel a lot more responsive - especially action games. For movies (including most CG movies), the relatively low 24hz frame rate isn't as noticeable, thanks to motion blur. Video games don't have motion blur, since doing it well has too high of a performance cost, for such a subtle effect. If CG movies didn't have motion blur at 24hz, they would look terrible.


Yes all NTSC TV’s have a 60Hz field rate (half frames) BUT, the frame rate is 30fps ALWAYS.
Remember it takes two fields to make a frame.
The only way 60fsp is achievable is if you consider each field a separate frame (which it is not) of only 720x220 resolution for SD input or 1920x540 for HD 1080i.
This will obviously provide better motion at the expense of vertical resolution, but it could conceivably be done that way for a video game.
I have no idea if Play Stations or Xbox’s work in that mode, maybe they do.

Since the 006 is a progressive display, it will deinterlace 480i 60 fields per second source to 480p 30 frames per second and upscale to 1080p.
1080i 60Hz is deinterlaced to 1080p 30fps.
The 006 cannot display fields, nor should it ever need to.
The only time 60fps is ever needed is for 720p 60fps source.


Regards,

Owen

Originally posted by mark haflich
Wow. For the next delivery of these from Qualia dealers other than the Sony owned NYC and Vegas stores end prices to the consumer are really dropping. Big big BIG savings are out there for those who waited.

Not surprising. But I don't regret paying full list price and I bet the other early adopters don't either. The quality time I've spent with my 006 for the last few weeks has been worth the price of admission.

I hope SXRD does come down in price ... dramatically. Many of my friends who have seen my set wish they could have one too. Rather than compromise on a lesser technology at a lower price, I hope the time comes that video this good is affordable for all.

Originally posted by Owen
Yes all NTSC TV’s have a 60Hz field rate (half frames) BUT, the frame rate is 30fps ALWAYS.
Remember it takes two fields to make a frame.
The only way 60fsp is achievable is if you consider each field a separate frame (which it is not) of only 720x220 resolution for SD input or 1920x540 for HD 1080i.
This will obviously provide better motion at the expense of vertical resolution, but it could conceivably be done that way for a video game.
I have no idea if Play Stations or Xbox’s work in that mode, maybe they do.

Since the 006 is a progressive display, it will deinterlace 480i 60 fields per second source to 480p 30 frames per second and upscale to 1080p.
1080i 60Hz is deinterlaced to 1080p 30fps.
The 006 cannot display fields, nor should it ever need to.
The only time 60fps is ever needed is for 720p 60fps source.


Regards,

Owen
Well, maybe this is a difference in terminology.

When games work at 60fps interlaced, they typically use one of these techniques:
1) They alternate between rendering even and odd fields. Each field is offset from each other, because they will be offset when displayed on the TV. This is more efficient, since it reduces the number of pixels that need to be rendered by half.
2) They render full frames at 60fps, but alternate between outputting only the even or the odd field. The other field is either discarded, or used for vertical filtering, to reduce interlace flicker. This technique is more common, because it also supports progressive-scan, supports filtering, and behaves gracefully when the frame rate drops below 60fps.

Console games choose between approach 1&2, but PC games always use #2.

The result is full 60fps motion, but the vertical resolution is reduced during fast motion. During slow motion, it results in full frame resolution. Video cameras typically use approach #1, but I don't know what digital video cameras do. Interlacing isn't very friendly to MPEG encoding, so they probably record full frames at 24, 30, or 60 frames per second.

As to whether 60 frames per second is possible from an interlaced signal, it depends on the deinterlacer. I think that most of them DO generate full resolution frames 60 frames per second. When there is a high difference in pixel values between subsequent fields, the pixels are blurred, to hide the horizontal lines and avoid flicker. This blurriness could be controlled with intillegent switching on each pixel, or with a filter kernel that accomplishes the same goal without switching. It's still outputting full resolution 60fps images, just a bit blurry in spots with fast motion.

You mentioned that the 006 cannot display fields, nor should it ever need to. Actually, I suspect that's what the game mode does. It probably updates the frame one field at a time, displaying the full frame at 60fps with the last two fields, complete with horizontal lines. It's also possible that it uses a different filter kernel that's a blend between filtered, deinterlaced fields and unfiltered fields. That would make the display more responsive, which some people would find preferable for games.

It should be possible to see this stuff more clearly by photographing the screen with a fast shutter speed. Unlike CRTs or DLPs, high speed photography is possible on LCD-based displays, like the 006. No need for tripods. :)

I don't want to unleash the MSRP police, but is about 10% off the most anyone has seen?

7 DAYS........................................................ ........................................:)

Has anyone used the iscanHD+ with their 006?

Originally posted by mark haflich
Wow. For the next delivery of these from Qualia dealers other than the Sony owned NYC and Vegas stores end prices to the consumer are really dropping. Big big BIG savings are out there for those who waited.

I haven't seen or heard prices dropping. I think a discount is not the same as pricing dropping. The next person that store sells to may not get the same discount. Unless, of course you personally have heard or seen those big, big, BIG savings.

Originally posted by kaduku
I haven't seen or heard prices dropping. I think a discount is not the same as pricing dropping. The next person that store sells to may not get the same discount. Unless, of course you personally have heard or seen those big, big, BIG savings.

Mark Haflich is a Sony dealer. He may indeed have heard something...:)

Indeed, in a few weeks you can probably ask him exactly what these BIG savings are, since he will be selling the Qualias.

Discount Shmishcount..............


Crap..................I would pay 10% EXTRA to get my friggin set sooner.

Originally posted by aaronwt
Has anyone used the iscanHD+ with their 006?
I think you're probably better off without it. The iscan adds another A/D D/A conversion step, and the 006 has good internal processing. If you use the iscan for hdmi switching (without scaling) to give you more inputs, that might be worthwhile. It's an expensive switcher, though. If you already have one, I'm sure you'll be able to sell it easily.

I agree with RCohen. Your best bet is to get a DVD player that will output 480i on HDMI, and an STB that will output SD at 480i and HD at 1080i on HDMI (if there indeed is such an animal), and then either a DVHS or other device (such as a blu-ray or HDDVD player when available) that will record and playback HD content at 1080i via HDMI or Firewire. The deinterlacer and scaler in the 006 is comparable to a very good standalone scaler.

Cheers

Originally posted by spider4re
I spoke to a Sony Marketing VP (my company has a direct relationship with sony and several other CE manuf.) and he said there IS going to be a 60" SXRD (7.9K MSRP street 7.6k) but it won't be until Q4 05'-Q1 06. Yields on SXRD are not up to capacity so they can only build approx. 3-5 a day (they are hand-built in Miyagi, Japan then shipped to the West coast (hence the short supply on the east coast)). He said they don't see a threat to their 1080p business until Q1-Q2 06' from JVC lcos and they don't think LG/Panasonic 3LCD is a worthy product (alot of people out there love Sony and the Quality of product and picture).

All those looking for a more affordable and smaller Qualia, start saving because you may have your TV for Christmas/Channukah and next years Super Bowl.

Cheers

If Sony is only cranking out 90-150 006s a month, I don't see how any discounting could be taking place?? All hand made is nice, but it really limits the supply. It really doesn't make since for Sony to give much of a break to the dealers. Maybe they're ramping up some sort of an Assembly line.

sj

Originally posted by Joel
I agree with RCohen. Your best bet is to get a DVD player that will output 480i on HDMI, and an STB that will output SD at 480i and HD at 1080i on HDMI (if there indeed is such an animal), and then either a DVHS or other device (such as a blu-ray or HDDVD player when available) that will record and playback HD content at 1080i via HDMI or Firewire. The deinterlacer and scaler in the 006 is comparable to a very good standalone scaler.

Cheers

Sony just released a standalone scaler which they are selling in Japan. Don't remember the price but it was pricey. I suspected it is the scaler they developed for the 006.

Originally posted by wojtek
Mark Haflich is a Sony dealer. He may indeed have heard something...:)

Indeed, in a few weeks you can probably ask him exactly what these BIG savings are, since he will be selling the Qualias.

No disrespect to Mark, whom I've read has a good reputation, and I'm not even doubting his statement:

Originally posted by mark haflich
For the next delivery of these from Qualia dealers other than the Sony owned NYC and Vegas stores end prices to the consumer are really dropping. Big big BIG savings are out there for those who waited.

But, Mark was the same person who three weeks ago posted:

Originally posted by mark haflich
I think the sets may have problems. I do not know what the problems are but some may be showing up here. Shipments to dealers are being delayed for 30 days to contain the number of sets out there with problems.

He never really got back to us on that issue, despite numerous inquiries. I'm not questioning Mark, just the reliability of his source.

We've read that one can now purchase a 006 from a reputable dealer for $1,300 off MSRP. The 006 appears to be selling well, given there is wait time to receive one (supply and demand).

Generally, the more expensive the item, the more the profit for the seller. The questions are how low will they go? And how soon? Does anyone really believe the 006 will hit or break the $10k barrier in '05? I don't think so.

Its not going to be any price drops this year, maybe next years model will be a few dollars cheaper. Thats Sonys price and they are sticking to it. I just hope the 50 or 60 inch version will be under 10 grand when it comes out. If a Sony dealer drops a price of a Sony they are no longer a Sony dealer, thats a fact.

JimP;

Don't know about the warranty offered. I would assume it is a Sony warranty (3 years). I didn't pursue since I bought it direct from Sony... Couldn't wait.

Casey, Can you say what vendor you bought the 006 from? and if they have a demo set available to look at. Anxious in Michigan.

lentsd; Go to Paulsen's (sp?) 12 mile in Farmington... They called me the other day and said they have one on the floor.

Paulson's Audio and Video Farmington Hills (It's now on display)

Sony tells me there were some QC problems and that sets beyond the initial batch sold by Vegas and NYC Sony stores would be delayed 30 days. They never told me anything further. So I couldn't post anything additional about what the QC problems were. Sorry I damaged my credibility that way. Now 30 days later sets are starting to appear in other than those two Sony stores.

Others start posting that their local store offered 10% off without them even asking. Some other says ITS A FACT, if a store sells it at a price other than Sony's price they are gone. Fact, a Sony dealer can give it away, if she/he wants. Sony imposes minimum prices at which a set can be advertised. Violate that and you're gone. So, posters conclude that 10% is the best any store will sell it for. But according to the other poster, that store will be gone. OK. Buy it from the Sony owned stores and pay list plus your local sales tax or buy it from that 10% off store. What a deal! Or . . . .

BTW. I didn't say that Sony was dropping the price. I said that price savings (discounts) from dealers can be had. Hell I wasn't the first to say that. But I know one can do significantly better than 10%. Of course, if a dealer can't get them, the he/she can't sell them and if a dealer gets only a very very few and people are willing to pay above list, then I guess they will go to the highest bidder. But, gosh golly I know some dealers are taking orders at significantly more than 10% off.

Attached to any HD television this impressive is a price tag that will make many a jaw drop: $17,000, plus $2,000 for the stand. The QUALIA may not be ideal for the regular TV junkie, but it’s a dream gadget for serious home-theatre enthusiasts and millionaires looking to shed a few dollars

FYI:

These prices are Canadian dollars, USA $13,000 and $1,500 for the stand!

Originally posted by mark haflich
Sony tells me there were some QC problems and that sets beyond the initial batch sold by Vegas and NYC Sony stores would be delayed 30 days. They never told me anything further. So I couldn't post anything additional about what the QC problems were. Sorry I damaged my credibility that way. Now 30 days later sets are starting to appear in other than those two Sony stores.

Others start posting that their local store offered 10% off without them even asking. Some other says ITS A FACT, if a store sells it at a price other than Sony's price they are gone. Fact, a Sony dealer can give it away, if she/he wants. Sony imposes minimum prices at which a set can be advertised. Violate that and you're gone. So, posters conclude that 10% is the best any store will sell it for. But according to the other poster, that store will be gone. OK. Buy it from the Sony owned stores and pay list plus your local sales tax or buy it from that 10% off store. What a deal! Or . . . .

BTW. I didn't say that Sony was dropping the price. I said that price savings (discounts) from dealers can be had. Hell I wasn't the first to say that. But I know one can do significantly better than 10%. Of course, if a dealer can't get them, the he/she can't sell them and if a dealer gets only a very very few and people are willing to pay above list, then I guess they will go to the highest bidder. But, gosh golly I know some dealers are taking orders at significantly more than 10% off.

Mark,
Thanks for clarifying that for us. BTW, I don't think anybody said that you said that Sony was dropping the price. I do believe the discounts though. Dealers can give a discount at anytime, to anyone, for any reason (or for no reason at all). Whether it is a discount or if they do drop the price, which will be eventual, though I don't foresee that to happen for at least a few months (not weeks), the better for everyone to get these sets into their homes and start enjoying what we owners have been enjoying the past couple of months.

ps....If they do price drop, I don't think it will be that much.

Earlier today I stopped in at a local audio/video dealer (Commercial Electronics, Vancouver, Canada) to pick up RCA to BNC adaptors. They are a Sony dealer so I took the time to look at their Qualia 006. WOW, WOW, WOW!!! I saw my first quality HDTV program on this set. I was absolutely blown away!

The program was the PBS production - "Kalahari: The Flooded Desert - Fish Eagles ". It was like looking through a window!!! The scenic shots were absolutely breathtaking And every detail of every feather on the birds was visible!

Even the DVD they were playing when I first went in looked great. At first I thought it was a trailer running on the Movie Central HD channel!

They have an amazing hard disk system which holds an enormous collection of DVD and HDTV programs ... all UNCOMPRESSED! The system allows them to send the images to all their TV's in the store. And anyone in another room can view a different selection at the same time. It is made by an American company (I think in California) who are developing a PVR which would use a part of this disk (film studios don't want you to be able to permanently store HDTV on a hard disk!).

Anyway ... I am now TOTALLY sold on the Qualia 006! It truly is an amazing televion. I want one (well a slightly smaller version) ... I definitely NEED one. How can I continue to watch HDTV on my relatively small lower resolution Sony KV36XBR400!

Anyone who is critical of this amazing television, either - has not seen it, has seen it improperly setup or with a poor video source, or cannot afford it!

By the way, the salesman told me that the SXRD/LCOS technology that Sony is using was originally developed by JVC. Is the correct?

Originally posted by HiDef Bob
Earlier today I stopped in at a local audio/video dealer (Commercial Electronics, Vancouver, Canada) to pick up RCA to BNC adaptors. They are a Sony dealer so I took the time to look at their Qualia 006. WOW, WOW, WOW!!! I saw my first quality HDTV program on this set. I was absolutely blown away!


Bob,

Great to hear that you were able to get to see a Qualia 006. You comments validate the hype we early adopters have been spewing out. As you note, the set speaks for itself. Unless someone has another agenda they're dealing with, I can't imagine anyone not being blown away with the performance. I hope smaller and cheaper SXRD sets come out soon. I want another one for my weekend escape house.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Martin, none of your posts are worth only .02
More like....mucho mas dinero...$$$$$$$.
Thank you Penton, I really appreciate that.
You and the other Qualians in here have been a real pleasure
to follow and share thoughts with. I rarely stick to a thread for
very long but this one has been fun and educational.

Cheers to all current and upcoming 006 owners.

Martin

Originally posted by sparkysj
yours are too, PM!
I second that, very much so

SIX DAYS........................................................ ........................................... :)

Originally posted by colortv
...I hope the time comes that video this good is affordable for all.

I would like to believe that it is in all our best interest for as many people as possible to be able to afford HD display technology of this quality and better. This TV is of no great use by itself without quality programming. I want there to be a large market so that we will see more speciality programming in the sciences, arts, etc. Interestingly enough, however, the market for this kind of programming favors those that can afford a more expensive TV. Years of SD in every household brought us mostly crap and sports but a small HD market has brought some good programming. I hope the quality improves with time as the market increases. HD crap is still not worth watching.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by Dilbert1
I would like to believe that it is in all our best interest for as many people as possible to be able to afford HD display technology of this quality and better.

Dilbert1

I am not trying to be negative. In fact, I love this TV so much that I feel that there is something valuable to lose if the video and variety of quality content does not continue to improve!

Dilbert1

Hope you guys in California are doing OK with all that rain, stay safe!

Originally posted by HiDef Bob

By the way, the salesman told me that the SXRD/LCOS technology that Sony is using was originally developed by JVC. Is the correct?

Yes, that is correct. SXRD is just Sony's version of LCoS technology. It has been around awhile, but is just starting to hit its stride. There was an early LCoS model by JVC back in 99 that quickly disappeared, Mitsubishi gimungous 82" Alpha and Phillips one chip mistakes. JVC finally made a viable business model of RP 3 chip LCoS technology last year.

The real MSRP of the Qualia 006 is and has always been $10000. The $3,000 "bump" has been attributed to many factors, from having to ship the first 300 units over by air, devaluation of the dollar against the yen,
to simply cashing in on the buzz the final product created at the trade shows.

The electrionics industry does not work on soaking a few thousand early adopters for $13,000. It works on margins and volume. JVC has already demonstrated they can by delievering 720p LCoS technology at street prices of 2500-3000 for the 52" and 3000-3500 for the 61" and still make a substanial profit.

No doubt the Qualia has the best RP pic availble today, but with a $10000 MSRP, it will never do the volume need to establish Sony as a leader in the LCoS market. Sony struggled with sales of the old 70" XBR LCDs and that had a MSRP of only $7,999, with a street of 5500-6000.

LCoS technology has the edge over other current rear projection sets and will really start to dominate in 2006. Like most of us on the forum, we have been looking for a long time for the best compromise on next gen technology and this looks like it. SEDs and 3 chip DLP might eventaully surpass it, but currently they are a long way off at an acceptable price point.

For those of us that can't miss another football season in HD, we do have good news. LG will be releasing their 71" and 62" 1080 LCoS mid 2005 with a MSRP of $8995 and $6995 and a street 1500-2000 less. Also, there are JVC's new 70" and 60" at late 2005 with a MSRP of $9495 and $6495 and a street 1500 less. Finally, if those still fall out of your home theater budget, and they do for about 90% of the buying public. JVC will release their public second generation (4th internally) 720p LCoS sets around August 2005 at comparable or less then street price of their current 52" and 61" set, along with two new 56" and 70" 720p sets.

Where’s the baaaaaaahhhhhh?

I’m amazed that you communicated with one of the Sony “sheep.”

Oh, now I understand, Hi-Def Bob innocently and inadvertently placed the buzz word “JVC” in his sentence to allow us to hear yet another rant on the new JVC’s and LG’s.

P.S. - Watch out for that Hi-Def Bob, the sharks are still circling and that innocent query is like throwing blood in the water.:D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Where’s the baaaaaaahhhhhh?

I’m amazed that you communicated with one of the Sony “sheep.”

Oh, now I understand, Hi-Def Bob innocently and inadvertently placed the buzz word “JVC” in his sentence to allow us to hear yet another rant on the new JVC’s and LG’s.

P.S. - Watch out for that Hi-Def Bob, the sharks are still circling and that innocent query is like throwing blood in the water.:D

Penton-Man,

I agree! Look at the JVC thead, you don't see a lot of smiley faces being posted.:)

I am currently using Dish Network. Aside from movie channels I find myself watching discovery HD theater and HDnet. What is the story with VOOM?

People here seem to like Comcast cable but we do not have that service.
I did not take Direct TV because I felt there were some compressions issues. Dish Network seems to be watchable with SD but it is hard to compare since I do not have Direct TV anymore. MPEG 4 should make a difference but I do not know when and which services, other than Direct TV, will upgrade.

Any comments about which services people think offer the best quality and programming would be appreciated.

Dilbert1

(I thought that Dish was going the MPEG 4 route too...don't remember the source for this, though.)

Anyone else notice faint vertical banding, when you view solid colored backgrounds?

Originally posted by sparkysj
Hope you guys in California are doing OK with all that rain, stay safe!

I live in the flats of LA so no flooding worries for me. I reluctantly decided to leave my beloved Qualia behind for a couple of days to hang out at my weekend house near Palm Springs to catch up on some reading. Amazing what can happen in a 2 hour drive to the desert - we endured a biblical-quality deluge in the mountains west of Palm Springs, then suddenly no clouds and a gorgeous starry sky as we entered the Coachella Valley in the desert.

Gorgeous as it is out here today, I'm itching to get back to the 006 and watch the HD "Matrix" marathon I've accumulated on the DVR. I haven't spent this much time watching TV since I was a teenager. Sorry Dilbert, I'll have to disagree with you. There's plenty of good HD to be had, including the car race on Fox yesterday. Of course we all want more and we'll have it soon enough. Now that cheaper and more compact HD cameras are becoming available, there will be fewer excuses for producers and broadcasters not to develop HD content.

Fate can be a wonderful thing! It can help clear one’s mind of conflicting issues.

This weekend my normal local Home Theatre dealer loaned me a Naim DVD5 for evaluation in my system. As fate would have it the Naim uses BNC connectors for component out. While my dealer had a component cable with BNC connectors, it was too short for my setup and he did not have RCA to BNC adaptors. However, I knew of a dealer that did have these adaptors, so I went there on Saturday.

As fate would have it this store is a consumer and professional dealer for Sony and they had the Qualia 006 on display. Although I had previously seen this set at a Sony Store, they did not have an HD feed whenever I was there and their DVD source was not the best. However, as mentioned in a post (#1931) yesterday, I was completely wowed by the display at Commercial Electronics! I knew right away I had to have one. After all I have to live up to my handle - “HiDef Bob”! I have HD from Bell ExpressVu, Star Choice and Shaw Cable. I have an HD PVR. The only thing missing is a Qualia!

If I had not gone to that store and seen the Qualia 006 at its finest I would have bought the Naim DVD5 because the CD quality is the best that I have heard from a DVD player and the PQ is outstanding. Instead I will put that CA$6000 towards a Qualia. The 006 is just too big for my room, so I will be anxiously awaiting a 50-60” version so I too can join the Qualia/SXRD club!

PS. By the way, sorry for using "JVC" in my previous post ... I have never been a JVC fan since they help kill Beta!

Originally posted by rcohen
Anyone else notice faint vertical banding, when you view solid colored backgrounds?

I checked for that last week with solid color patterns on my setup DVD. I was surprised at the purity and evenness of the raster. So, no, I haven't seen any hint of banding on solid color backgrounds. What was the source you noticed this on? Perhaps something in the transmission?

Originally posted by HiDef Bob
Fate can be a wonderful thing! It can help clear one’s mind of conflicting issues.

This weekend my normal local Home Theatre dealer loaned me a Naim DVD5 for evaluation in my system. As fate would have it the Naim uses BNC connectors for component out. While my dealer had a component cable with BNC connectors, it was too short for my setup and he did not have RCA to BNC adaptors. However, I knew of a dealer that did have these adaptors, so I went there on Saturday.


Bob,

With some really great DVD players on the market for under $300, I can't understand why anyone would spend that kind of money on a DVD player, especially with high def DVD's on the horizon. Just how much PQ can be squeezed out of an SD DVD? Guess I need to be enlightened on this one. SD DVD's from my <$300 Sony 975 player look amazing on the the 006. DVHS 1080i D-Theater tapes look even better, and are the best interim solution before high def DVD's IMHO. Just my 2 cents on this subject...

color-
I'm wondering if your Belkin kicked in on Friday night as we had lightning and thunder boomers in the L.A. area !

shades of Geoooorgia.

Originally posted by sycore
Hugh, thanks for the reply. Don't let the Sony sheep get you down. They seem to have trouble enjoying what is easily the best RP set currently available. At least until mid to late 2005, when the LG and JVC 1080 LCoS are released.
sparkysj -
I was referring to this gem of a post (above) in case anybody missed it.

Originally posted by HiDef Bob

PS. By the way, sorry for using "JVC" in my previous post ... I have never been a JVC fan since they help kill Beta!
Well, funny thing is, I actually am a JVC fan but some people (and I don't mean you) don't understand that there is a time and place for everything.

Colortv

I can justify CA$6000 for the DVD5, because it is an excellent CD player as well and it matches the quality of my sound system. MY Pioneer DVL90 is not even close for CD output. The DVD5 is also a excellent DVD A player. As the for DVD output it has Progressive Scan (Faroudja) DVI out and DTS 5.1 (with a built in upgradable Faroudja scaler comng) ... none of which my old Pioneer has. But yes CA$6000 is a lot of money for a DVD player!

And you are right ... high def DVD players are just around the corner ... when rentable software will be available is the question.

The bottom line is this - I usually watch 100+ hours of HDTV per month (I am an HD addict), while only about 10--15 hours of DVD's and even less listening to CD's. You do the math as to what is most important to me and where I should be putting my money! And I can always buy a good quality dedicated CD player (like the Naim CD5) at a later date.

Oh, and one other thing I didn't mention - I subscribe to Movie Central HD which gives me movie in HDTV 24/7 and have access to recent PPV movies in HDTV.

Hi-Def Bob-
They tell me that unless you require SA-CD support – the Arcam DV-27A is a great combo DVD/CD player that offers a lot of bang for your buck.

If you’re interested, P.M. me for someone that may be able to give you a great price. You may be able to pick up one of these and not kill your budget for the 006.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Hi-Def Bob-
They tell me that unless you require SA-CD support – the Arcam DV-27A is a great combo DVD/CD player that offers a lot of bang for your buck.

If you’re interested, P.M. me for someone that may be able to give you a great price. You may be able to pick up one of these and not kill your budget for the 006.

Yes, that unit was at the top of my list for a long time before I came across the newer Naim DVD5. I don't think the CD quality is up to the Naim, which is outstanding (in developing the DVD5, Naim made it a priority that the unit have CD sound quality equal to their acclaimed CD5 player). But I read somewhere the the Arcam has slightly better PQ.

It is an option. Arcam has since brought out the DV-29A, so the DV-27A might be available at a reduced price. I still may wait for a Blu-ray DVD player and buy a separate CD player. But for now, as I said a Qualia is my priority.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
sparkysj -
I was referring to this gem of a post (above) in case anybody missed it.

Penton-Man,

I had a feeling you were referring to that sarcastic post, just wanted to point out how much better our thread is, and the comradery WE have!!! Plus, they don't have a PM on their post!

Picked up Spiderman 2 Superbit, and Sharks Tale today.

Can't wait to see them on the 006...

By the way, I've heard The Incredibles (an animated flick), which is due out in a week or two (?) also has an incredible picture (as per current issue of Widescreen Review).

Originally posted by colortv
I checked for that last week with solid color patterns on my setup DVD. I was surprised at the purity and evenness of the raster. So, no, I haven't seen any hint of banding on solid color backgrounds. What was the source you noticed this on? Perhaps something in the transmission?
It's really faint. Sometimes it can be distracting, though. I've noticed it on DVDs and cable. Depending on the image, sometimes it's visible and sometimes it isn't. I thought maybe I was just seeing MPEG artefacts, but when I scale the image up and down in the twin mode, the vertical lines stay in the same position, so I don't think it's coming from the source.

Originally posted by rcohen
It's really faint. Sometimes it can be distracting, though. I've noticed it on DVDs and cable. Depending on the image, sometimes it's visible and sometimes it isn't. I thought maybe I was just seeing MPEG artefacts, but when I scale the image up and down in the twin mode, the vertical lines stay in the same position, so I don't think it's coming from the source.

Can this be vertical banding that you see with some LCDs????

I imagine the Lord of the Rings dvds must look extraordinary on the 006.

Originally posted by rcohen
It's really faint. Sometimes it can be distracting, though. I've noticed it on DVDs and cable. Depending on the image, sometimes it's visible and sometimes it isn't. I thought maybe I was just seeing MPEG artefacts, but when I scale the image up and down in the twin mode, the vertical lines stay in the same position, so I don't think it's coming from the source.

rcohen,

Most of the artifacts that I have experienced have been cable connections. Even though it has been against general consensus, I found myself gong back to the more expensive cables. Just the other night, I started to see streaks of blue lines watching a DVD, changed the cable, and it immediately cleared. I must admit that I started using Monster cables again, and IMHO seemed to get a better picture?

Originally posted by sparkysj
rcohen,

Most of the artifacts that I have experienced have been cable connections. Even though it has been against general consensus, I found myself gong back to the more expensive cables. Just the other night, I started to see streaks of blue lines watching a DVD, changed the cable, and it immediately cleared. I must admit that I started using Monster cables again, and IMHO seemed to get a better picture?
If it was a signal problem, I would expect it to scale along with the image, not remain stationary.

It's difficult to photograph. You can faintly see it the attached photo. I converted the photo to grayscale, so it's easier to see, but I didn't do any other processing.

I guess that you'll always have pro/con "discussions" re: cables but I've learned long ago that the well built ones do increase the sound/picture aspects of a system.

My first experience was with a pair of Audioquest speaker cables which blew my mind with more detailed sound as well as increasing the clarity of the entire sound spectrum.

I tried putting solid gray JPEGs on a memory stick. The vertical banding is most visible at 40% grey. It's definitely not a an input signal issue, since it still shows up on a JPEG. I can't photograph the results, since I only have one memory stick.

To keep this in perspective, this banding usually isn't visible during normal viewing, unless you look for it. It's a bit more visible sometimes with solid backgrounds.

It would be interesting to hear whether this is unique to my set, though.

Originally posted by rcohen
If it was a signal problem, I would expect it to scale along with the image, not remain stationary.

It's difficult to photograph. You can faintly see it the attached photo. I converted the photo to grayscale, so it's easier to see, but I didn't do any other processing.

I had very similar looking banding on my D-ILA JVC front projector (G15.) Using the Dilard calibration software (custom software that allowed for service-level adjustments over RS232 using a PC), I was able to correct for it. That software had a mode where I could adjust the drive of individual vertical raster lines. I can't remember what the adjustment was called. Prior to adjusting it, I had faint banding on solid-color fields that looked just like the shot you posted.

The adjustment allowed me to adjust the overall gamma for each vertical pixel line. If I recall, there was one or two lines that were brighter than the adjacent lines (like your screenshot.)

I wonder if this has something to do with the LCOS-based technology? Do any other owners see this on solid-color fields? I remember it being *very* hard to see on a regular moving source.

- paul

Originally posted by rcohen
If it was a signal problem, I would expect it to scale along with the image, not remain stationary.

It's difficult to photograph. You can faintly see it the attached photo. I converted the photo to grayscale, so it's easier to see, but I didn't do any other processing.

rcohen,

Have you tried switching to another video input, say video 6 to video 7? I would assume if you could get it to reproduce, then it is probably not the source, or signal problem.

Wintr,
That sounds exactly right. Maybe my set just needs to be tweaked, after its voyage around the world. It makes sense that these light lines could be digitally corrected, hopefully inside the 006, instead of at the source.

So, how do I tweak this? Is there a way to do it myself? Otherwise, where would I go to get someone to fix it? Sony?

Originally posted by sparkysj
rcohen,

Have you tried switching to another video input, say video 6 to video 7? I would assume if you could get it to reproduce, then it is probably not the source, or signal problem.
I see the same thing on video 5, video 6, and on Memory Stick images. That's all I've tried. I don't see how it could be a source or cable problem.

Indy 500 in HD... WOW!

Daytona 500...

rcohen,

I know you did a lot of tweaking when you first got the set, can you put it back to the factory settings?

Originally posted by rcohen
Wintr,
That sounds exactly right. Maybe my set just needs to be tweaked, after its voyage around the world. It makes sense that these light lines could be digitally corrected, hopefully inside the 006, instead of at the source.

So, how do I tweak this? Is there a way to do it myself? Otherwise, where would I go to get someone to fix it? Sony?

I would guess that this would be tweakable through the service menu.

On the JVC it worked like this: The vertical lines were grouped into blocks of 8 lines. When I adjusted a given line (making it brighter or darker), it would affect every 8th line the same way. I could make this adjustment for each primary color.

In the Dilard software this worked by selecting a line with the cursor or arrow keys, then hitting up or down to adjust the value. But of course this was all done through this custom software over the RS232 cable - on the Qualia there's no such software or RS232 input, but maybe there'd be a similar adjustment in the on-screen service menu that you could adjust with the remote.

I just looked it up on the Dilard website (www.dilard.com) and I think it was called the Eight Bar Wizard. Unfortunately the Dilard website seems to be missing the link to the documentation for this feature now, for some reason.

The good thing is, if this issue is the same thing as the JVC had, it was purely an electronics adjustment. It had to do with the driver circuitry to the LCOS panel itself. Something to do with the voltage gain per vertical pixel line, I think. If there isn't a service menu adjustment, or if getting into the Qualia service menu isn't an option (has anyone done this yet?) then I'd assume a sony tech would need to come out and adjust it.

- paul

Originally posted by Penton-Man
color-
I'm wondering if your Belkin kicked in on Friday night as we had lightning and thunder boomers in the L.A. area !

shades of Geoooorgia.

Penton,

I was up late Friday night watching "Numbers" off the DVR around 1am. Wow, what a sound and light show outside! We "Angelenos" rarely see that kind of weather as you know. But nary a flicker from DWP so the Belkin slumbered. I was surprised that Comcast was able to override the DVR with NWS severe weather bulletins. The DVR went into pause and the weather bulletins took over the screen along with the very unpleasant warning tones. Boy those sound nasty when the 5.1 surround is cranked up. Shades of tornado season in my beloved hometown in Kansas!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Where’s the baaaaaaahhhhhh?

I’m amazed that you communicated with one of the Sony “sheep.”

Oh, now I understand, Hi-Def Bob innocently and inadvertently placed the buzz word “JVC” in his sentence to allow us to hear yet another rant on the new JVC’s and LG’s.

P.S. - Watch out for that Hi-Def Bob, the sharks are still circling and that innocent query is like throwing blood in the water.:D

Didn't mean to riel the flock ;) just pointing out some viable alternatives to the 006. Far be it from me to accuse the emporer of having no clothes. I didn't even bring up banding and QC issues, which can not be assest by a sample size of 300, maybe 15 of which are owned by people on this forum. They pale in comparsion to the early QC issues of the JVC, but at $13000 a pop they should.

Originally posted by Ed Weinman
I guess that you'll always have pro/con "discussions" re: cables but I've learned long ago that the well built ones do increase the sound/picture aspects of a system.

My first experience was with a pair of Audioquest speaker cables which blew my mind with more detailed sound as well as increasing the clarity of the entire sound spectrum.

ED,

Hard to dispute when you can see it with your own eyes/ears. I would think it may be even more imperative with such a high tech, cutting edge piece of electronic marvel, like the 006.

Originally posted by nhey
Picked up Spiderman 2 Superbit, and Sharks Tale today.

Can't wait to see them on the 006...

By the way, I've heard The Incredibles (an animated flick), which is due out in a week or two (?) also has an incredible picture (as per current issue of Widescreen Review).

After watching Shark Tales on the 006 and seeing how incredible the PQ was. I too, can't wait to see The Incredibles on this baby! Wait til you see the skin details on the sharks :D

sparkysj,

Yes, I don't know why that initial experience has lasted with me for almost fifteen years but...! (I was playing a laser disc that I thought I knew very well. The sound limitations were obvious to me with the "lesser" cables but the amount of difference with the Audioquest was astonishing!)

Hey guys...

So, besides the possible banding artifact that rcohen is investigating, has anyone seen any other artifacts on the 006? I'm talking about things like SDE, SSE, black crush, etc... anything that detracts or distracts from viewing in any way?

Having not yet seen a 006 in person myself, I am just curious as to whether we have truly hit that "display nirvana" whereby one can watch a 2 hour movie and not get distracted a single time by any kind of display artifacts or defects.

This nirvana has definitely been reached in front projector land (for a while now) but it only works in a blacked-out room :-) I'm wondering if we've finally achieved that level of movie theatre (or better than movie theatre) display in RPTV with the 006...

- paul

The base technology did not come from JVC...Sony bought a company in Silicon Valley five years ago or so, might actually have been pre- 2000, who developed this flavor of LCOS (SXRD). I for the life of me can not remember the name of the company.

Originally posted by colortv
Penton,
Shades of tornado season in my beloved hometown in Kansas!
Color,
I worked in Kansas for a bit, not to mention the fact that hell, that's Wyatt Earp's old stompin ground.

What's your hometown, exactly.

Originally posted by sycore
Didn't mean to riel the flock ;) just pointing out some viable alternatives to the 006. Far be it from me to accuse the emporer of having no clothes. I didn't even bring up banding and QC issues, which can not be assest by a sample size of 300, maybe 15 of which are owned by people on this forum. They pale in comparsion to the early QC issues of the JVC, but at $13000 a pop they should.
I know, I know you keep pointing out alternatives, but let’s show a little consideration for others, no ?

There are several regular followers and posters of this thread that have put down $$ and are awaiting an 006 with eager anticipation. Posting alternatives like that simply provides hurtful and conflicted thoughts to those individuals. Not to mention the fact that many people on this thread and OTHER threads don’t consider those choices to be competitive alternatives at this time…..or perhaps even after those models even make it into the consumer’s hands.

There are plenty other places on this forum that you can guide people to other alternative choices. How about refraining from doing it on this thread until everyone here has taken delivery of their units and the 006’s become rather commonplace in the designated Sony dealers.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Color,
I worked in Kansas for a bit, not to mention the fact that hell, that's Wyatt Earp's old stompin ground.

What's your hometown, exactly.

Wichita...home of Coleman (camping stuff) and Pizza Hut (I ate at #1 as a kid), Beechcraft, Cessna, Learjet, Boeing, etc.

Hey, this seems to be the first post of page 100 on our little thread!

Originally posted by wintr
Hey guys...

So, besides the possible banding artifact that rcohen is investigating, has anyone seen any other artifacts on the 006? I'm talking about things like SDE, SSE, black crush, etc... anything that detracts or distracts from viewing in any way?

Having not yet seen a 006 in person myself, I am just curious as to whether we have truly hit that "display nirvana" whereby one can watch a 2 hour movie and not get distracted a single time by any kind of display artifacts or defects.
- paul
Well,
If this will get us to page 100.....SDE - no, SSE - no, black crush - no and I haven't even experienced the banding aritifact yet.

The only thing that has distracted me a single time that one would remotely consider a "display artifact" is my wife sauntering past the front of the TV in stiletto heels, black thigh highs, etc. with that *look* on her face.

Originally posted by colortv

Hey, this seems to be the first post of page 100 on our little thread!
Ah color, you beat me by four min.

I REALLY have to improve my typing skills !!!!

NUMBERS is turning out to be quite the series, no?

Originally posted by rcohen
If it was a signal problem, I would expect it to scale along with the image, not remain stationary.


Well, if it were an RF or other interference issue it could well affect the display independent of the image. The fact that it still there on a JPEG is interesting. I would try disconnecting all the other inputs while looking at the JPEG. That would eliminate interference on the video ins and cable feed. I'd also try the other basic interference trouble shooting techniques like turning off all nearby electronics, etc.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Ah color, you beat me by four min.

I REALLY have to improve my typing skills !!!!

NUMBERS is turning out to be quite the series, no?

"Numbers" is a pretty decent show IMHO. I'm a long-time Judd Hirsch fan and I'm sure the writers will have fun keeping his character alive in the "B story" of the series. The show looks really good in CBS 1080i.

I just stopped by the Samsung 1080 DLP thread for the first time in a long time. Poor fellows are awaiting Sammy's almost-always-missed delivery targets. I'm still impressed that Sony hit the bullseye with the 006 - they delivered on time with a very high quality product.

I noticed that my vertical lines show up on the gray background of the memory stick screen, with no memory card inserted. Anyone else getting that?

rcohen,I've seen that banding on my TV when changing the channel or when program goes to commercial. I dont think it does it everytime though. I,ve never noticed it when video is be displayed. Also I dont own a 006, I see the banding on a 34 inch *** TV.

I have a PACE 550 box also.

For those with Cinemax HD - watched Daredevil tonight - this is a GREAT transfer - well worth looking out for this flick- rich colors, great close-ups of Jennifer Garner's green eyes :) :) :) and other fine attributes

Banding???? Never seen it.
Any artifacts... uhm.... NO.
Great picture....uhm... YES, YES, YES.

Originally posted by nhey
For those with Cinemax HD - watched Daredevil tonight - this is a GREAT transfer - well worth looking out for this flick- rich colors, great close-ups of Jennifer Garner's green eyes :) :) :) and other fine attributes

Banding???? Never seen it.
Any artifacts... uhm.... NO.
Great picture....uhm... YES, YES, YES.

You lucky dog you!

Originally posted by wintr
Hey guys...

So, besides the possible banding artifact that rcohen is investigating, has anyone seen any other artifacts on the 006? I'm talking about things like SDE, SSE, black crush, etc... anything that detracts or distracts from viewing in any way?

Having not yet seen a 006 in person myself, I am just curious as to whether we have truly hit that "display nirvana" whereby one can watch a 2 hour movie and not get distracted a single time by any kind of display artifacts or defects.

This nirvana has definitely been reached in front projector land (for a while now) but it only works in a blacked-out room :-) I'm wondering if we've finally achieved that level of movie theatre (or better than movie theatre) display in RPTV with the 006...

- paul

wintr,

There are no artifacts or distractions and nobody but rcohen has seen "bending" on the 006. The only artifacts that I have is a garage filled with old, used ,cheap, and broken down cables. No defects or detractions,
either. Just 100% pure unadulterated enjoyment that just gets better every day. It seems to "learn" how to improve. I say WOW everyday!

Originally posted by colortv
Wichita...home of Coleman (camping stuff) and Pizza Hut (I ate at #1 as a kid), Beechcraft, Cessna, Learjet, Boeing, etc.

Hey, this seems to be the first post of page 100 on our little thread!
Color TV

Wife has family in Great Bend and Albert. Uncle was Chief of Police in Russell. Going to the family reunion in Hays in June.
I was Director of Service at Thorobred Chevrolet on Kellogg Ave in the 70's.
Wichita was a great place then. It has changed a lot since then and not for the better.

Stew

I swear they put my unit on the Edmond Fitzgerald to get it over here..................Either that or the Merchant Marines are taking in some local color in the south pacific somewhere.


Penton you got any good boat updates for me.

Originally posted by thestewman
Color TV

Wife has family in Great Bend and Albert. Uncle was Chief of Police in Russell. Going to the family reunion in Hays in June.
I was Director of Service at Thorobred Chevrolet on Kellogg Ave in the 70's.
Wichita was a great place then. It has changed a lot since then and not for the better.

Stew

Oh yeah, I remember that Chevy dealer. I get back to Wichita twice a year to visit family. I'm surprised to see the changes, but my impression is that it has done pretty well for itself. I'm lucky to have grown up there but glad to be in LA now. OK, sorry for the OT. Back on track now... whew!

FIVE DAYS...........................................:)

I know I'll regret this but, tomorrow night (Tuesday), could any of you 006 owners check out the opening title sequence for the HBO-HD show: Carnivale?
On my set it is the most 3-D looking sequence I've seen, and I imagine it would look unbelievable on a 006.
Why would I regret this? Because hearing you rave about it will make me want what I can't have right now even more!

Folks, when you have the time look at Color TV's Profile, & www.,he has lots of history in Television & Color TV....Very interesting....G.B.

G.B.
Your link is broken. Might want to recheck it.

Color TV posted earlier about his qualifications in the industry. Very impressive. As a consumer, his high opinion of the 006 carries a lot of weight.

Very (http://www.kingoftheroad.net/colorTV/index.html) Impressive. (http://www.kingoftheroad.net/KARD_html/kard5.html)

Yes, I was just wanting to make note , like our new member Thestwman to have a look....I know we search threads for knowledge & common interest, But some join late ...so a recap is good.

Mr. 2000

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
I swear they put my unit on the Edmond Fitzgerald to get it over here..................Either that or the Merchant Marines are taking in some local color in the south pacific somewhere.


Penton you got any good boat updates for me.
No,
I haven’t really inquired about it and to tell you the truth, I’m not so sure that your batch is even coming over by boat. The delay simply may be due to the fact that at this time, demand far exceeds availability as the production process can’t keep up.

Should I post that production line video again?

I would only suggest to future Qualia owners that are seriously interested in purchasing this TV that Sony cierge will be allocated to meet their needs first and your local Sony dealer will get his allotment afterwards (unless he has already received some of course - which speaks to his foresight).

If you want to purchase from your local Sony dealer and you have a specific timetable in mind that is inflexible, then I suggest you only buy from said dealer when the units are actually in his possession - and ready to go out the door to your home.

Apparently, some dealers are making promises to their clients about when the 006 will come in – when the dealers haven’t even actually placed an order but have only expressed an *interest* to Sony in doing so....as per a lunch conversation I had with someone in marketing last Fri.

Just curious if any owners are getting the double-picture phenomenon we have discussed earlier in this thread when switching to input 6. I think I have noticed that it only occurs when I switch to a channel that broadcasts 720p like FOX and ESPN.

For example, if I am watching something on input 4, and then switch to input 6 where a FOX HD program like 24 is playing, I will get a double picture (HDMI handshake issue) that goes away if I change the channel. However, if I do the same thing and switch from input 4 to input 6 where I have a 1080i program playing like HBO-HD, I never get a double picture. The curious aspect about this is that my Comcast digital box is set to output everything at 1080i, so even though the Fox program is broadcast in 720p, my digital box is outputting it as 1080i. This does not happen with input 7. I have never had a double picture with that input.

Penton - maybe pass this along to your Sony contacts?

Originally posted by Penton-Man
There are several regular followers and posters of this thread that have put down $$ and are awaiting an 006 with eager anticipation. Posting alternatives like that simply provides hurtful and conflicted thoughts to those individuals. Not to mention the fact that many people on this thread and OTHER threads don’t consider those choices to be competitive alternatives at this time......
How about refraining from doing it on this thread until everyone here has taken delivery of their units and the 006’s become rather commonplace in the designated Sony dealers.

I don't see how withholding information of viable alternatives would be of help to readers of this thread or forum. In fact, the people that would need this info the most would be those you have mention, those considering purchasing a 006 in the near future. How would they feel if no one told them, by mid to late 2005 they would be able to buy a comparable LCoS technology for about half the price. Reports from CES and of people that have actually seen the final pre-production units of both the LG and JVC in person, is that they could surpass or easily match the picture quality of 006 at a more acceptable price point.

One the Sony Dealers in Vancouver, Canada told me this morning that a smaller Qualia will be released in a few months.

And I heard this from 2 sources - Sony is dropping their Plasma line.

Originally posted by sycore
I don't see how withholding information of viable alternatives would be of help to readers of this thread or forum. In fact, the people that would need this info the most would be those you have mention, those considering purchasing a 006 in the near future. How would they feel if no one told them, by mid to late 2005 they would be able to buy a comparable LCoS technology for about half the price. Reports from CES and of people that have actually seen the final pre-production units of both the LG and JVC in person, is that they could surpass or easily match the picture quality of 006 at a more acceptable price point.
As a Qualia owner posting on the Qualia 006 Owner's Thread which was conceived by jb007 to provide help and guidance to all current and prospective Qualia 006 owners.......

If one is in the market for a Qualia 006, one reads every damn page of this thread and the “Sony jumps” thread before he plunks down 13K.

If one is in the market for a JVC, it would be common sense to read the JVC threads.

If one is in the market for an LG, it would be common sense to read the LG threads.

If one doesn’t know WTF he wants to buy, he can read a speculative thread entitled something like “Alternatives to the Purchase of the Qualia 006 for those interested in LCOS.” Just think, you could be the original author of said thread and save a countless number of people thousands of dollars !!!!!!!!!

I believe that you do not have such a noble motive in mind and the only reason why you post speculation like the last sentence of your post (which MANY non-Qualia owners disagree with) is that you have a large ready-made audience here.

I don’t suggest you “withhold” information, just post it in a more appropriate place to spare people awaiting delivery of their units unneeded anxiety.

Let’s see if you care.

Originally posted by nhey
Just curious if any owners are getting the double-picture phenomenon we have discussed earlier in this thread when switching to input 6. I think I have noticed that it only occurs when I switch to a channel that broadcasts 720p like FOX and ESPN.

For example, if I am watching something on input 4, and then switch to input 6 where a FOX HD program like 24 is playing, I will get a double picture (HDMI handshake issue) that goes away if I change the channel. However, if I do the same thing and switch from input 4 to input 6 where I have a 1080i program playing like HBO-HD, I never get a double picture. The curious aspect about this is that my Comcast digital box is set to output everything at 1080i, so even though the Fox program is broadcast in 720p, my digital box is outputting it as 1080i. This does not happen with input 7. I have never had a double picture with that input.

Penton - maybe pass this along to your Sony contacts?

nhey,

A couple of owners did report this and I think it was only related to the Comcast stb, if my memory serves me correctly. Most concluded it was a minor annoyance that was quickly corrected by changing the channel., as you have done.

Originally posted by nhey

Penton - maybe pass this along to your Sony contacts?
I already have but, I'm not holding my breath as to a speedy reply. :)