Originally posted by sparkysj
nhey,

A couple of owners did report this and I think it was only related to the Comcast stb, if my memory serves me correctly. Most concluded it was a minor annoyance that was quickly corrected by changing the channel., as you have done.
Actually, it has also occurred with me and I use Adelphia's HD stb which is Moto 6200 which I think is different than the one our Comcast subscribers are using.

Like you said, it's just a minor annoyance, but it gives us something to talk about and we certainly wouldn't want to "withhold" real information to prospective buyers rather than speculation.

Originally posted by HiDef Bob
One the Sony Dealers in Vancouver, Canada told me this morning that a smaller Qualia will be released in a few months.


There you go Bob !!!!!!
Looks like you'll join the club in a few months if that's true.

Originally posted by sycore
I don't see how withholding information of viable alternatives would be of help to readers of this thread or forum. In fact, the people that would need this info the most would be those you have mention, those considering purchasing a 006 in the near future. How would they feel if no one told them, by mid to late 2005 they would be able to buy a comparable LCoS technology for about half the price. Reports from CES and of people that have actually seen the final pre-production units of both the LG and JVC in person, is that they could surpass or easily match the picture quality of 006 at a more acceptable price point.

All speculation.......

1. No one told them

2. Mid to late 2005

3. Half the price

4. Comparable LCOS technology

5. Surpass or easily match the PQ of the 006












l

Originally posted by Penton-Man
There you go Bob !!!!!!
Looks like you'll join the club in a few months if that's true.

It all depends on the price how soon I am able to purchase one. As long as I have it in time for the Olympics next year I will be happy! But sooner the better ... as there may be some HD hockey to watch in the fall!

The salesman wasn't sure whether it is to be a 46" or 50" ... I sure hope it is 50!

Originally posted by HiDef Bob
It all depends on the price how soon I am able to purchase one. As long as I have it in time for the Olympics next year I will be happy! But sooner the better ... as there may be some HD hockey to watch in the fall!

The salesman wasn't sure whether it is to be a 46" or 50" ... I sure hope it is 50!

HiDef Bob,

I am more of a football fan, but could not believe how good HD hockey looks on the 006. Caught a game on HDnet the other night and was completely mesmerized! The black puck against the ice was incredible, and so easy to follow.

Originally posted by HiDef Bob
as there may be some HD hockey to watch in the fall!

ARGGGHHH!
Yep, I'll bet you guys are going bonkers right about now.

Here's hoping you accumulate more "Loonies" for your future purchase.
God, I love Vancouver. There's a seafood restaurant down at the wharf which kinda overlooks the east end of Stanley Park which is one of my faves when I'm there- before taking the train on up to Whistler.

I recounted my settings to kuduku a few pages back which were essentially the same as brt's with a few exceptions.
One thing that I forgot to mention is that I'm experimenting with running component out (480i) from my DVD player into the Qualia for awhile so another thing I changed in the Advanced Menu was to switch from the stock setting of "Mode 1" to CineMotion setting.

This from an Albany NY Tweeter dealer....


ASM0115@twtr.com

I have the 70" Sony Qualia available right now. There is one in our
warehouse that is unspoken for at this moment.

It is selling for $12999.99. Once that one sells we do not have any more
coming in from Sony until the beginning of April(Estimated Time of Arrival).

If you are interested in it please give me a call at 518-452-0622. Just
ask for Jon Higgins. I'm sure this will sell quickly so please do not
hesitate if you want it.

"Who is ready to pull the trigger......
This from an Albany NY Tweeter dealer...."

Calling all Tri-State fence-hangers, one Qualia burger with everything on it, ready to go.........

Originally posted by sparkysj
nhey,

A couple of owners did report this and I think it was only related to the Comcast stb, if my memory serves me correctly. Most concluded it was a minor annoyance that was quickly corrected by changing the channel., as you have done.

I have only seen the double-pix pheonomenon when my Comcast/Motorola 6412 DVR was connected to input 6 via DVI/HDMI. I did NOT see the problem with my Sony 975 DVD player connected to input 6 via HDMI. Also, I did not see the double-pix phenomenon from the Comcast box on the TV's input 7, but since there are no RCA audio inputs onm the 006's input 7, I went another direction. Rather than deal with this minor double-pix annoyance on input 6 (which may well be an HDMI or DVI glitch with the Comcast box), I decided to connect the Comcast box to input 4 on the 006 using the cheap component video cables that Comcast supplied with the DVR. Try as I might, I could not spot any difference in PQ between the DVI/HDMI digital connection and the analog component video connection, and the component way is hassle and double-pix free. Audio from the Comcast box goes to the TV video 4 input via analog RCA cables and simultaneously to my Yamaha 2500 a/v receiver via optical/Toslink digital cable.

I know this is OT, but the Yamaha 2500 is a helluva box with tons of features and very high quality for a very good price with online pricing. All my devices including the Sony DVD player, JVC 40K DVHS machine, Comcast box, and Qualia 006 audio output are going to the Yamaha via optical/Toslink digital cables and I've trimmed input levels on the Yamaha such that there are no changes in volume between devices (excluding the overly loud TV commercials). The Yamaha lives up to the stellar reviews it has gotten.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I recounted my settings to kuduku a few pages back which were essentially the same as brt's with a few exceptions.
One thing that I forgot to mention is that I'm experimenting with running component in (480i) from my DVD player into the Qualia for awhile so another thing I changed in the Advanced Menu was to switch from the stock setting of "Mode 1" to CineMotion setting.

Penton-Man,

I am also using 480i with component out on dvd player. Just read your post and changed from "mode 1" to Cinemotion and what a difference! More clarity and film like. Very good.

Originally posted by JimP
G.B.
Your link is broken. Might want to recheck it.

Color TV posted earlier about his qualifications in the industry. Very impressive. As a consumer, his high opinion of the 006 carries a lot of weight.

Hey guys, thanks for the nice comments.

I get quite a bit of traffic on my website from folks looking for info about the early days of color TV. That explains my user icon - a WORKING 1959 RCA CTC-9 color television with the original NBC peacock. I've even got an RCA TK-41 color television camera (circa 1962) sitting next to the old color TV in my home office.

http://www.kingoftheroad.net/colorTV

I couldn't resist this screenshot. I have hi-res artwork of the peacock which I sized to 1920x1080 and put on a memory stick to display on my Qualia 006.

Originally posted by colortv
Hey guys, thanks for the nice comments.

I get quite a bit of traffic on my website from folks looking for info about the early days of color TV. That explains my user icon - a WORKING 1959 RCA CTC-9 color television with the original NBC peacock. I've even got an RCA TK-41 color television camera (circa 1962) sitting next to the old color TV in my home office.

http://www.kingoftheroad.net/colorTV

I couldn't resist this screenshot. I have hi-res artwork of the peacock which I sized to 1920x1080 and put on a memory stick to display on my Qualia 006.

Wow, the black level in that peacock shot is as dark as the TV's frame. That's pretty impressive.

- paul

Originally posted by wintr
Wow, the black level in that peacock shot is as dark as the TV's frame. That's pretty impressive.

- paul

Almost, but not quite - maybe due to how your computer monitor is calibrated. The photo shows some slight grayness in the blacks, as much as anything because this is a flash shot which caused a slight haze on the semi-matte SXRD face. In order to avoid screen reflections from the flash, I photographed it off axis. I squared the funky perspective with Photoshop. This is a true screenshot however, even though I used a little bit of Photoshop to straighten it out. I've had this image up on my 006 when guests enter the house and it always results in dropped jaws. The peacock never looked that good in NTSC for which it was originally created in 1956.

Originally posted by sparkysj
Penton-Man,

I am also using 480i with component out on dvd player. Just read your post and changed from "mode 1" to Cinemotion and what a difference! More clarity and film like. Very good.
Yup, I think that just may be the better choice when feeding 480i into the 006 with a DVD.
Tell me, given your background, whenever G.B. posts, do you think of a gall bladder sparkysz ?
(no offense G.B.)

Originally posted by colortv
Hey guys, thanks for the nice comments.

I get quite a bit of traffic on my website from folks looking for info about the early days of color TV. That explains my user icon - a WORKING 1959 RCA CTC-9 color television with the original NBC peacock.
Like I said in the early days of the “Sony jumps” thread when we were all listening to comments by Rogo and others about the 006 that they had seen at the Indianapolis show (AND its presumed competition) – just luv that icon, one of the best on AVS.

Well it’s official colortv, we’ve received more rain than in the El Nino year, more even than Seattle to date! Perfect time for us Southern Cali people to have purchased the 006 for serious couch potato work.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Yup, I think that just may be the better choice when feeding 480i into the 006 with a DVD.
Tell me, given your background, whenever G.B. posts, do you think of a gall bladder sparkysz ?
(no offense G.B.)

Penton-Man,

I try really hard not to think about gall bladders when I'm not working. Don't like to watch medical related shows, either. But if you have any gall bladder questions or problems, please feel free to pm me.

Stay dry!!

Casey,

In a day or two, you could probably just switch over to counting down in hours. Good luck with your delivery!

For those of us in San Diego anxiously waiting for the Qualia 006 to arrive, I have confirmed from Tweeter that they expect to be getting 10 units shipped to their warehouse near second week of April. Now, I don't know how big of a region this warehouse serves though. The part number in their system will be 70Q006. The salesperson said he could discount it to $11,800 - but I didn't get this in writing so YMMV.

This is such a great thread. I've been reading it religously as I've been waiting years for RP technology to deliver PQ that was truly astounding. It appears the time has finally arrived! Can't wait to replace my beloved XBR 36" CRT display.

-xrispy

Anybody know when the Sony open house is scheduled? Usually happens the last week of February, first week of March at the HQ in New Jersey.

We should expect to see what will be offered for 2006 -- meaning available "this Fall". I wouldn't be surprised to see a 60" Qualia.

Should also answer questions about whether Sony is going to include SXRD in the XBR in the near future vs. developing more models and sizes in the Qualia line.

Originally posted by Scott MS
Anybody know when the Sony open house is scheduled? Usually happens the last week of February, first week of March at the HQ in New Jersey.

Two dealers I've talked to recently have said the Sony show is scheduled for something like March 7th - 9th (I may be off by a day or two.) in Las Vegas.

Be skiing ya,

DSG

BTW, both of these dealers are on the East Coast. It's my understanding that rather than have both an East Coast and a West Coast show, Sony has decided to hold only one this year in Vegas.

I just hooked up a computer to the Qualia. I am using 1280 x 720 resolution which works well for readability (at 1920 x 1080 I cannot read text).

However at this resolution part of the start menu and the left portion of the Windows screen is not on the screen. The Nvidia software gives you the opportunity to "underscan" which I did. This puts all the start menu on but still leaves a portion of the left screen off, also the start menu is now too high on the bottom.

I can input a custom resolution and refresh rate with my software. Anyone have any suggestions as to what to do to get the Windows screen fully on the screen?

Originally posted by punkzip
I just hooked up a computer to the Qualia. I am using 1280 x 720 resolution which works well for readability (at 1920 x 1080 I cannot read text).

However at this resolution part of the start menu and the left portion of the Windows screen is not on the screen. The Nvidia software gives you the opportunity to "underscan" which I did. This puts all the start menu on but still leaves a portion of the left screen off, also the start menu is now too high on the bottom.

I can input a custom resolution and refresh rate with my software. Anyone have any suggestions as to what to do to get the Windows screen fully on the screen?

You may want to give Powerstrip a try, it allows you to adjust underscan/overscan values interactively:

http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm

Another thing to try (if you haven't already) is setting windows to use large fonts (right click on desktop, go to properties, then go to the Appearance tab and change the font size drop down.) That way maybe you can run in 1080i but still be able to read the fonts. I'm hoping that works for me once I get my Qualia since I definitely want to drive it at 1080i from the HTPC.

Have you tried 1920x1080i at 48hz? I'm just curious if the Qualia will sync with this frequency.

- paul

Originally posted by xrispy

This is such a great thread. I've been reading it religously as I've been waiting years for RP technology to deliver PQ that was truly astounding. It appears the time has finally arrived! Can't wait to replace my beloved XBR 36" CRT display.

-xrispy
See, people are actually willing to put time and research into a purchase of an over 10K display rather than simply coming on board in mid-thread like other angry old buggers have presumed with their self-righteous postings.

Xrispy – glad to see you’re becoming part of the Qualia family. I just hope the bird store in San Diego is able to fulfill their estimated timetable and your delivery does not drag out until later in the summertime. You can join jb007 and Joel as fellow San Diego owners in the fulfillment of video nirvana.

Originally posted by sycore
I don't see how withholding information of viable alternatives would be of help to readers of this thread or forum. In fact, the people that would need this info the most would be those you have mention, those considering purchasing a 006 in the near future. How would they feel if no one told them, by mid to late 2005 they would be able to buy a comparable LCoS technology for about half the price. Reports from CES and of people that have actually seen the final pre-production units of both the LG and JVC in person, is that they could surpass or easily match the picture quality of 006 at a more acceptable price point.

Sycore, Sycore, Sycore,
People here are not ignorant. They have done their research just like I did. We are aware of the LG and JVC products, but believe the Qualia 006 is a much more superior TV, and thats why they've joined this thread. Some people are interested in the 006, but are not 100% sure yet, and have come to this thread to get answers from actual owners, and not to hear about other products. I hope you've gotten the hint, and please stop pissing off my friend Penton-Man.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Like I said in the early days of the “Sony jumps” thread when we were all listening to comments by Rogo and others about the 006 that they had seen at the Indianapolis show (AND its presumed competition) – just luv that icon, one of the best on AVS.

Well it’s official colortv, we’ve received more rain than in the El Nino year, more even than Seattle to date! Perfect time for us Southern Cali people to have purchased the 006 for serious couch potato work.

Penton,

I'll thank you again for the compliment on my icon. That peacock pops. I'm doing my best to keep the old bird alive. You may have heard about the recent peacock murders in Palos Verdes - there was a story the other day in the LA Times. Beautiful but noisy birds.

I've lived in SoCal since 1971 and I've never seen rain like this. I just hope Colorado is getting it's share of snow from these storms. Those of us in the western US get much of our drinking water from Colorado river snowmelt. Lakes Powell and Mead have gotten alarmingly low the last few years. Most of the rain we are getting here locally goes straight into the Pacific, not to our taps. Nuts, huh?

Sorry for the OT folks. Zap .... back on track ...

Fox's Monday night stuff is looking real good in HD. Both Idol and 24, shows I never watched in SD. I'm hooked on both of them with this gorgeous TV!

Originally posted by colortv
That peacock pops. I'm doing my best to keep the old bird alive.

I've lived in SoCal since 1971 and I've never seen rain like this.


colortv,

Writing this from my Treo600 on the road - works OK to keep me current on Qualia. That peacock is amazing - what a great way to start a Qualiathon!

I'm extremely happy to have unplugged my Q006 before leaving - sounds like the CA storms were nasty! How bad was it, kaduku & 3deye? I'm going through MAJOR QWS (Qualia Withdrawal Syndrome) and can't wait to get back home!

Four Days........................................................ ............:)

Originally posted by HiDef Bob

The salesman wasn't sure whether it is to be a 46" or 50" ... I sure hope it is 50!

The salesman may be confused. The 46" is Qualia 005, an LCD Direct View, due out in June.

I'd be surprised if anyone at Sony rank and file knows anything about release dates for a 50" SXRD.

Still, any info or even a rumor is welcome.:)

BTW, let me chime in and say that the professional experience of colortv adds much weight to his statements on the display. Thanks colortv and avsforum!:)

ColorTV--

Have you thought of replacing your signature icon with an icon of the peacock on the 006?

By the way, I confirmed last night that the double pic on input 6 only occurs when I switch to it when a FOX-HD or ESPNHD program is playing (both of which are broadcast at 720p). If I switch to input 6 and have a 1080i program playing like HBOHD, I notice that the 006 seems to take a couple seconds longer to switch but I never get a double picture. I suspect there is something "funny" going on with the Comcast 6412 box with 720p signals. Even though I have it set to output on 1080i, I think it may be sending some sort of mistaken information via the DVI to HDMI output that confuses the 006.

Here is the test of my theory:

Would be interesting to see if you get the same results with your Comcast 6412 box. First, hook up a DVI to HDMI between the 6412 and the 006 to input 6. Then, go to input 6 and turn the channel to ESPN-HD or FOXHD. Then go to any other input, such as input 4. Then switch back to input 6 and see if you get the double picture.

Penton - would also be interesting to see if this happens with your Adelphia box.

Note to all prospective owners: This is just a very minor annoyance that is easily rectified by changing the channel if you "must" use the DVI to HDMI out on the Comcast box, which, I agree, offers very little or no discernable picture improvement compared to component.

Originally posted by brt3
colortv,

Writing this from my Treo600 on the road - works OK to keep me current on Qualia. That peacock is amazing - what a great way to start a Qualiathon!

I'm extremely happy to have unplugged my Q006 before leaving - sounds like the CA storms were nasty! How bad was it, kaduku & 3deye? I'm going through MAJOR QWS (Qualia Withdrawal Syndrome) and can't wait to get back home!

brt3,
Yes, good thing you did unplug the beast. Lightning mostly in the north bay. Also hail in Alameda and tornadoes in Sacramento. I was working in the Richmond area and the clouds looked really weird, but there was hardly any rain though.

The Peacock was like our THX test today on DVD...Equipment in the tube days would drift & even at the station. Even your picture tube would need to warm up a day if you had It off for 3-5 days. Even when things went Solid State in Early 70's. Green on Bonanza, Arnez on Gunsmoke, had shirts the same color you could set your Hue with. We don't want to make Color TV home sick, talking about Dodge. N.B.C., R.C.A. owned Called it Living Color, In Early Stereo R.C.A. called it Living Stereo....OK, Back to the future with Qualia....

Colortv,

I agree with nhey, have you thought about changing the peacock over to 006 in your icon? That picture is incredible!

Originally posted by sparkysj
All speculation.......

1. No one told them

2. Mid to late 2005

3. Half the price

4. Comparable LCOS technology

5. Surpass or easily match the PQ of the 006

OK, let's deal in facts then

1. LG's 3500:1 vs. Sony 3000:1 contrast ratio
2. LG's 4ms cell response time vs. Sony 5-6ms
3. JVC MSRP $9500 vs. Sony MSRP$13000
4. JVC's demo being called superior to the Qualia demo by more the one person and early magazine reports.
5. Both technologies based on LCoS chips using inorganic material.










l [/QUOTE]

To quote Penton-Man back to me on information I had heard and reported on 11-10-04: "Tweeter has a tiny snowball's chance in an extremely hot day in Hell of carrying the SXRD". So much for having an open mind on information sharing.

Originally posted by brt3
colortv,

Writing this from my Treo600 on the road - works OK to keep me current on Qualia. That peacock is amazing - what a great way to start a Qualiathon!

I'm extremely happy to have unplugged my Q006 before leaving - sounds like the CA storms were nasty! How bad was it, kaduku & 3deye? I'm going through MAJOR QWS (Qualia Withdrawal Syndrome) and can't wait to get back home!

br3,

We like to also refer to it as a QUALIA DEFICIENCY!

Originally posted by kaduku
Sycore, Sycore, Sycore,
People here are not ignorant. They have done their research just like I did. We are aware of the LG and JVC products, but believe the Qualia 006 is a much more superior TV...
I hope you've gotten the hint, and please stop pissing off my friend Penton-Man.

"but believe the Qualia 006 is a much more superior TV..."

That is the biggest ignorant statement on this whole thread:) I know you haven't even seen th LG in action and doubt you have seen the JVC in action. I have seen the JVC in person and have seen the capabilities of the 1920x1080 spaitalight LCoS light engine.
Never did I once deny, the fact the 006 is currently the best RP tv you could currently buy.
If passing on vital information is going to piss you sheep off, you better buckle down. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Originally posted by Ted99
To quote Penton-Man back to me on information I had heard and reported on 11-10-04: "Tweeter has a tiny snowball's chance in an extremely hot day in Hell of carrying the SXRD". So much for having an open mind on information sharing.

Ha, very good. I was just sharing what I had been told. Let's wait and see what transpires in April.

Originally posted by nhey

By the way, I confirmed last night that the double pic on input 6 only occurs when I switch to it when a FOX-HD or ESPNHD program is playing (both of which are broadcast at 720p).
Penton - would also be interesting to see if this happens with your Adelphia box.
Note to all prospective owners: This is just a very minor annoyance that is easily rectified by changing the channel if you "must" use the DVI to HDMI out on the Comcast box, which, I agree, offers very little or no discernable picture improvement compared to component.
It indeed appears that the type of program (interlaced vs. progressive) that is playing when switching to that input 6 makes a difference. Maybe, for some reason, if the Qualia detects a progressive program over the DVI to HDMI cable on input 6 it gets confused resulting in a double picture because it is expecting an interlaced signal, while if a interlaced program is playing, the Qualia is happy and no double picture.

It would be interesting to see if anybody out there were to run from their DVD player a 720p signal via DVI/HDMI or HDMI/HDMI cable into input 6 to see if they get the double pic. If it occurs under those circumstances, and one has to lay fault somewhere to be happy then I would say the fault lies with our 006 (I can live with that).

HOWEVER, if no double pic occurs when doing the above, then I would presume it is a handshake issue from our cable boxes that we all have to live with and will probably be duplicated with other displays and components now and in the future.

Originally posted by wojtek

BTW, let me chime in and say that the professional experience of colortv adds much weight to his statements on the display. Thanks colortv and avsforum!:)
Yup, the proof is in the pudding fur sure. It’s nice to have a contributor whose hobby is somewhat *interlaced* with his profession and who works under a true peer review format in regards to his videophilic endeavors, i.e. can you spell......... E-M-M-Y A-W-A-R-D W-I-N-N-E-R.
:)

Originally posted by sycore
OK, let's deal in facts then

1. LG's 3500:1 vs. Sony 3000:1 contrast ratio
2. LG's 4ms cell response time vs. Sony 5-6ms
3. JVC MSRP $9500 vs. Sony MSRP$13000
4. JVC's demo being called superior to the Qualia demo by more the one person and early magazine reports.
5. Both technologies based on LCoS chips using inorganic material.
[/B][/QUOTE]

sycore,

I think you should just get it over and place your order for the 006. You know you want one! If you wait and order the LG or JVC, which I'm sure are fine TVs, you will not be happy, because in the back of your mind, you will wonder if you made a mistake. The # is 1-877-qualia3.

Originally posted by sparkysj

sycore,
I think you should just get it over and place your order for the 006. You know you want one! If you wait and order the LG or JVC, which I'm sure are fine TVs, you will not be happy, because in the back of your mind, you will wonder if you made a mistake. The # is 1-877-qualia3. [/B][/QUOTE]

sparkysj-
Ha, never happen.
He’s a Qualia Wannabe But Too Miserly To Ever Be.

Kuduku, I think you pissed him off, the guy’s losing it now.

sycore:

What are your thoughts about this post I made earlier in this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5176904#post5176904) where I explained why I made the decision to go with the Qualia over waiting for the JVC?

--Dwayne

Originally posted by Penton-Man
It indeed appears that the type of program (interlaced vs. progressive) that is playing when switching to that input 6 makes a difference. Maybe, for some reason, if the Qualia detects a progressive program over the DVI to HDMI cable on input 6 it gets confused resulting in a double picture because it is expecting an interlaced signal, while if a interlaced program is playing, the Qualia is happy and no double picture.

It would be interesting to see if anybody out there were to run from their DVD player a 720p signal via DVI/HDMI or HDMI/HDMI cable into input 6 to see if they get the double pic. If it occurs under those circumstances, and one has to lay fault somewhere to be happy then I would say the fault lies with our 006 (I can live with that).

HOWEVER, if no double pic occurs when doing the above, then I would presume it is a handshake issue from our cable boxes that we all have to live with and will probably be duplicated with other displays and components now and in the future.

Penton - but the interesting point is that my Comcast box is setup to output everything at 1080i, so if it turns out to be a progressive/interlace issue than maybe the Comcast box is not converting 720p source material to 1080i for some reason. Does your Adelphia box output native rate or at a specific resolution??

Penton-Man,

You may be right, but we've seen our share of "old buggers" turn into Sony sheep and fall prey to the big bad 006 wolf! But who knows, he may remain a JVC jackass.

Could anyone extrapolate from the 70" dimensions what the 60" dimensions (approx.) would be?

Thanks in advance



Originally posted by brt3
Try this on for size; it's the best I can do until my set arrives...

Ray

Originally posted by nhey
Penton - Does your Adelphia box output native rate or at a specific resolution??
The box I'm using that's hooked up to input 6 on the Qualia outputs native.

Originally posted by spider4re
Could anyone extrapolate from the 70" dimensions what the 60" dimensions (approx.) would be?

Thanks in advance

spider-4re,

If my ratio-proportion is correct, I get 64 inches longx40 inches wide. This is without speakers which is an unknown at this point. I imagine the depth would be somewhat shorter, but who knows.

Originally posted by sycore
"but believe the Qualia 006 is a much more superior TV..."

That is the biggest ignorant statement on this whole thread:) I know you haven't even seen th LG in action and doubt you have seen the JVC in action. I have seen the JVC in person and have seen the capabilities of the 1920x1080 spaitalight LCoS light engine.
Never did I once deny, the fact the 006 is currently the best RP tv you could currently buy.
If passing on vital information is going to piss you sheep off, you better buckle down. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Do us a favor and just buy one (JVC or LG) already :D

Originally posted by Zechman
sycore:

What are your thoughts about this post I made earlier in this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5176904#post5176904) where I explained why I made the decision to go with the Qualia over waiting for the JVC?

--Dwayne

I agree with most of what you are saying, except
"Even if I wait, it's not like I'll be getting it at half the price of the Qualia--and if I wait that long I expect the Qualia will be down in price, too. So I think the price argument is a red herring."
The JVC has a very real chance of streeting at $7,500-8000. The Sony's will never be offical advertised at a discount, but no doubt at it's inflated MSRP of 13,000 you could knock off 10-20%
Also, I disagree with your assumption the scaler in the new JVC will be as inferior as the ones in 720 sets. The scaler is totally new to this model and will no doubt be vastly improved over the current one in the 720 sets. Also,
I believe LG will be using the electronics and scaler from their acclaimed HDTV OTA set top box.
I, like you, am tired of the wait, but we have waited this long what is another 9-10 months. I had been tracking DLP technology since 1990
when I read about it some TI white paper. Still think a 3chip DLP can be very competitive PQ wise, but TI has sat on the technology too long with out lowering production cost to an acceptable level.

Originally posted by sparkysj
spider-4re,

If my ratio-proportion is correct, I get 64 inches longx40 inches wide. This is without speakers which is an unknown at this point. I imagine the depth would be somewhat shorter, but who knows.








Do you mean to say that it will only be approx 2" smaller than the 70"(currently 66" and change)?


Also, is 40" the Height (wide)?

An interesting exchange, Sycore. It's true that some folks who saw the JVC at CES preferred it; I owned a JVC DILA FP and it was a great machine, I loved the PQ (the scaler was pretty bad, tho, but that's another story!). I think the JVC set will be excellent, and its entry into the market will probably affect street prices for the Sony somewhat (although not much, as Sony prices tend to stay high generally).

Whether the contrast ratio and response time facts you refer to actually result in visible PQ differences will depend on a lot of factors, and will have to be seen in a production model to be certain. But if you want to wait for it, then heaven bless you and you certainly have more patience than the rest of us! :)

I did not attend CES and did not see the JVC. I have seen the Sony, and it is "all that" and "the bomb." If JVC can sell a machine with comparable PQ for 30% less, then that's a good thing. Even for those of us who have bought (or like me, plan to purchase) an 006 before then, if true it doesn't make our purchasing decisions any less valid. And, if it turns out that the JVC is not quite as good but still 30% cheaper, it doesn't make a decision to wait for and purchase that unit any less valid. Each of us has to make our own decisions based on our own priorities and circumstances.

But I do think it is a bit premature to judge one superior/inferior to the other or even comparable until the JVC ships and can be viewed critically, as the Sony has been viewed. It may be better, worse or comparable to the Sony once it ships. JVC may use a great scaler or a so-so one, we won't really know until it ships. Similarly, JVC may ultimately charge less, or more than we think. Sony, after all, originally said it was going to charge 10k and then charged 13k. One never knows. I for one, hope that JVC finds a way to raise the bar and charge less -- even if I own the 006 at that point.

But it is certainly a reasonable thing for someone to wait and see. I am waiting myself for a few months so that I can get the Sony a bit cheaper (and cover the cost of my custom stand), for example.

Cheers

Originally posted by sycore
I agree with most of what you are saying, except
"Even if I wait, it's not like I'll be getting it at half the price of the Qualia--and if I wait that long I expect the Qualia will be down in price, too. So I think the price argument is a red herring."
The JVC has a very real chance of streeting at $7,500-8000. The Sony's will never be offical advertised at a discount, but no doubt at it's inflated MSRP of 13,000 you could knock off 10-20%
Also, I disagree with your assumption the scaler in the new JVC will be as inferior as the ones in 720 sets. The scaler is totally new to this model and will no doubt be vastly improved over the current one in the 720 sets. Also,
I believe LG will be using the electronics and scaler from their acclaimed HDTV OTA set top box.
I, like you, am tired of the wait, but we have waited this long what is another 9-10 months. I had been tracking DLP technology since 1990
when I read about it some TI white paper. Still think a 3chip DLP can be very competitive PQ wise, but TI has sat on the technology too long with out lowering production cost to an acceptable level.

I stand by my first statement, and I think you mis-read me on the second.

In the first case, I think that given enough time, Sony will bring SXRD into the XBR line and we'll see what we now call the Qualia 006 re-released (maybe even replaced) by the KDS-70XBR100 as originally announced at CEDIA. Along with that will be a dramatic lowering of the price once supply catches up with demand, in this case maybe even to the original $9999. At the same time, if comparable sets come available at a close, but lower MSRP (like the JVC at $9500), then that will pressure Sony to drop their prices as well, assuming they have supply to meet demand. So like I said, I think the price argument is a red herring because I don't expect that the price difference then will be all that much.

Besides, using your numbers and assuming full MSRP on the Qualia (best-case scenario for the JVC), it's still not "half the price of the Qualia", so how can you say you disagree with that statement? ;)

In the second case, I do know that the newer machines will have better scalers than the current ones--this is what I meant by "but the new ones will have different electronics"--that I'm not holding the current scaler against the newer sets. In fact, we'll probably know more about the new scalers when the 2nd gen 720p sets become available in March/April. We'll also get our first taste of whether JVC will deliver on time or not. But until they are available, it's still an unknown.

And until it ceases to be an unknown, I see nothing truly compelling there worth waiting for that will clearly be so much better (or cheaper) than the Qualia 006 that I'll later regret purchasing an 006 now.

I think the core of our disagreement here is that you are far more optimistic about JVC and LG than I am.

--Dwayne

Pleasssssssssssssssse don't feed the trolls.

They are here most likely for one of the following reasons:

1) they are annoyed by seeing so many people successfully enjoying a
new technology.
2) they are bored, unhappy, and can't stand seeing other happy people.
3) get pleasure from pushing our buttons so we will get upset.

This thread is getting cluttered lately with troll and anti-troll posts.
Ignore them so maybe they will starve and go annoy another thread.

Regards,
Martin

Who, me? [Innocent look] :D

IMHO, a well thought out, well expressed argument will go a lot farther than an ad hominem attack.
And besides, the Qualia is a great TV. Defending it is unbelievably easy!

--Dwayne

Originally posted by sycore
Never did I once deny, the fact the 006 is currently the best RP tv you could currently buy.

As a long time Lurker and fence sitter I would personally like to thank you for putting this to rest...

What are the JVC and LG models being discussed on this thread?

Thanks.

Originally posted by spider4re
Do you mean to say that it will only be approx 2" smaller than the 70"(currently 66" and change)?


Also, is 40" the Height (wide)?

spider4re,

Sorry about that. I was using 75 inches long which includes the speakers on the 006. Recalculating, using 66 inches across and 47 inches in height for the 006:

The 60 inch Sony should be 57 inches across without speakers and 40 inches in height, approximately.

Originally posted by Tulsa1
Pleasssssssssssssssse don't feed the trolls.

They are here most likely for one of the following reasons:

1) they are annoyed by seeing so many people successfully enjoying a
new technology.
2) they are bored, unhappy, and can't stand seeing other happy people.
3) get pleasure from pushing our buttons so we will get upset.

This thread is getting cluttered lately with troll and anti-troll posts.
Ignore them so maybe they will starve and go annoy another thread.

Regards,
Martin

Martin,

You are right, of course! We all know how great the 006 is!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Merican
As a long time Lurker and fence sitter I would personally like to thank you for putting this to rest...

Good for you, Merican, and welcome!

Originally posted by sparkysj
Colortv,

I agree with nhey, have you thought about changing the peacock over to 006 in your icon? That picture is incredible!

What do you think? It's hard to recognize the 006 in the tiny allowable size. I'm having withdrawl .. I want those round corners back! :)

Originally posted by Zechman
Who, me? [Innocent look] :D

IMHO, a well thought out, well expressed argument will go a lot farther than an ad hominem attack.
And besides, the Qualia is a great TV. Defending it is unbelievably easy!

--Dwayne
Yo Dwayne,

That works well with reasonable people. Encouraging him will simply initiate an endless back and worth debate until he has completely hijacked the thread all in an attempt to gain some sort of self-centered one-upmanship – rather than contributing some meaningful dialogue that could be of use to others that frequent THIS thread, which did I mention is….. the Qualia 006 Owner's Thread which was conceived by jb007 to provide help and guidance to all current and prospective Qualia 006 owners.......

Tulsa’s correct, he’s a loser.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Yup, the proof is in the pudding fur sure. It’s nice to have a contributor whose hobby is somewhat *interlaced* with his profession and who works under a true peer review format in regards to his videophilic endeavors, i.e. can you spell......... E-M-M-Y A-W-A-R-D W-I-N-N-E-R.
:)

Whoa Nellie! I'm blushing in NTSC orange-red! Speaking of which, the color space we see on our 006's is incredible after so many years of being conditioned to NTSC. Especially reds. So much more accurate. But considering how many years "RCA Compatible Color" (aka NTSC) has served us, I shouldn't complain about it too much. I miss NTSC just about as much as I miss 2" quadruplex videotape. In other words, not at all!

Originally posted by colortv
What do you think? It's hard to recognize the 006 in the tiny allowable size. I'm having withdrawl .. I want those round corners back! :)

That is positively one of the most beautiful sights I have ever seen!!!! Color, you are "The Man"!

Originally posted by colortv
What do you think? It's hard to recognize the 006 in the tiny allowable size. I'm having withdrawl .. I want those round corners back! :)
Sweeeet. :D

Originally posted by colortv
I miss NTSC just about as much as I miss 2" quadruplex videotape. In other words, not at all!
Due to the pristine picture of this TV, I have now become such an HD addict (are you listening Hi-Def Bob?) that I’m searching high and low for more and more 1080i source material.

Like an addict looking for his next fix.

I can just foresee the day coming when, with my thirst for HD movies, I end up buying both format players (Blu-ray and HD) just to have access all available movies in1080i.

Then color, I’ll be stuck with an Edsel when one of them loses the war.

Originally posted by sparkysj
That is positively one of the most beautiful sights I have ever seen!!!! Color, you are "The Man"!


Colortv - I like the new icon - kind of brings a tear to my eyes... The grand old RCA peacock on the spanking new king of all displays...

:) :) :) :)

It's absolutely ridiculous to compare any competing displays unless they have been seen SIDE BY SIDE in identical viewing environments, properly set-up, and receiving the exact same simultaneous feed. Anyone who says JVC or LG is better than Sony or DLP or whatever else in any other scenario is blowing bubbles.

I wasn't at CES, but the Sony-JVC-LG booths were probably not identical viewing environments, the JVC and LG sets were likely pre-production prototypes (versus production Sony 006 units), and the source material was not identical. Let's talk after someone with critical eyeballs does a REAL comparison with all competitors sitting next to each other.

Within a few months when we have nothing better to do, we can surf on over to the JVC and LG 1080p threads and read their tales of woe. All the bad news I read on the JVC thread about the current D-ILA RPTV's confirmed what I had seen with my own eyes - a very inferior HDTV.

Originally posted by rcohen
I noticed that my vertical lines show up on the gray background of the memory stick screen, with no memory card inserted. Anyone else getting that?


rcohen - I turned on the 006, clicked on "memory stick" on the remote without inserting a memory stick, and I see a blue background, with the memory stick menus, and the words "no memory stick inserted", but no gray background. Definitely Blue. Definitely not gray.

So.. what are you referring to?? If you're seeing a gray background and I'm seeing a blue background... well...???

Hey guys...


Next month there will be at least 2 reviews of the 006 published... in Widescreen Review and Perfect Vision.

I would expect (don't have any confirmation) both to have the 006 on their covers considering it is a breakthrough technology for RPTVs...

ColorTV, Please check your PM. Thanks.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Then color, I’ll be stuck with an Edsel when one of them loses the war.

I bought that "lemon" back in 1980 from the original owner in Laguna Beach for a mere $4500. They were still laughing back then. But no more laffs, and that weird looking convert of mine is worth a few Qualias.

Hmm... "Qualias" ... that sounds like a new standard of value. On second thought, once those puppies start pouring off the line, the worth of one of our Qualias may drop faster than a dollar in Italy. No matter, we're getting our Qualia's worth every day we watch them. I think it's gonna be great when SXRD is affordable to a wider audience.

Originally posted by nhey
rcohen - I turned on the 006, clicked on "memory stick" on the remote without inserting a memory stick, and I see a blue background, with the memory stick menus, and the words "no memory stick inserted", but no gray background. Definitely Blue. Definitely not gray.

So.. what are you referring to?? If you're seeing a gray background and I'm seeing a blue background... well...???
I had a memory stick in, pressed "memory stick", then pulled the stick out. I guess it behaves differently, if you do it in that order.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Due to the pristine picture of this TV, I have now become such an HD addict (are you listening Hi-Def Bob?) that I’m searching high and low for more and more 1080i source material.

Like an addict looking for his next fix.

I can just foresee the day coming when, with my thirst for HD movies, I end up buying both format players (Blu-ray and HD) just to have access all available movies in1080i.

Then color, I’ll be stuck with an Edsel when one of them loses the war.

Penton-Man,

I'm not sure if you are aware, but there is a superbit website here (http://sonypictures.com/cthe/superbit) .

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Yo Dwayne,

That works well with reasonable people. Encouraging him will simply initiate an endless back and worth debate until he has completely hijacked the thread all in an attempt to gain some sort of self-centered one-upmanship – rather than contributing some meaningful dialogue that could be of use to others that frequent THIS thread, which did I mention is….. the Qualia 006 Owner's Thread which was conceived by jb007 to provide help and guidance to all current and prospective Qualia 006 owners.......

Tulsa’s correct, he’s a loser.
*thunk*

(the sound of Zechman letting it drop...)

--Dwayne

Penton-Man –
See, people are actually willing to put time and research into a purchase of an over 10K display rather than simply coming on board in mid-thread like other angry old buggers have presumed with their self-righteous postings.

Tulsa -
This thread is getting cluttered lately with troll and anti-troll posts.
Ignore them so maybe they will starve and go annoy another thread.


You’re right Penton-Man, I have been doing a lot of research for the last several years on the best RP technology to get. This isn’t the only thread I’ve been reading. While I’m admittedly a Sony fan, ultimately I’m partial to the best technology that fits my needs and budget. So I’m also actively looking at other threads to see how owners of other RPTV’s feel about their purchases as well as keeping tabs on emerging sets from other manufacturers. One thing that strikes me compared to owners of other sets is the amount of shear delight they are getting from the Qualia 006. While there are many “good” displays out there, they seem to leave something to be desired as people are always looking for tweaks to enhance their PQ although they are happy with the PQ they have. Now the Qualia 006 isn’t perfect as some seemingly very minor issues have been brought to light in this thread, it is ultimately the set that is as close to perfection as one can hope for in this price range according to anecdotal testimony by the very fortunate individuals that own it.

And while I hunger for new information on display technologies from any manufacturer and their comparisons of PQ to each other, I also believe in keeping information in the proper context. After all this is the Qualia 006 Owners’ Thread. I see it as a place for owners to share information to get the best out of their investments, share in the joy of having such a great product, and be a great place for prospective buyers to see how satisfied current owners are. Telling owners that there is a better display coming out makes no sense to me and seems out of place here. I think we all realize that no matter how good a product we buy today it will ultimately be outdone by another product eventually. It’s an individual issue of timing. One can always wait and never have anything or decide that a product fulfils a need at that particular time.

With that I encourage the likes of Sycore to continue to post new information -- perhaps in an RPTV emerging technologies type thread. Believe me, the Qualia 006 is a bit of a stretch for my budget so I’ll be reading every word on the possibility of better for less and confirming for myself the legitimacy of the information until I have a shiny new RPTV sitting on my stand.

Sorry for the long post, I’ve been reading this thread and learning so much from everyone that I felt compelled to contribute somehow. It’s great to be in the company of people who are enthusiastic about this stuff as well as being very knowledgeable.

-xrispy

Originally posted by Zechman
*thunk*

(the sound of Zechman letting it drop...)

--Dwayne

Nevertheless, Zechman, I still enjoyed your well articulated posts.

Originally posted by peterhodes
What are the JVC and LG models being discussed on this thread?

Thanks.

Don't know, It was actually only one guy who kept bringing it up. I believe there is a JVC or LG thread out there where you can find out, but if you want to know anything about the 006, you've come to the right place.

Originally posted by xrispy

With that I encourage the likes of Sycore to continue to post new information -- perhaps in an RPTV emerging technologies type thread. Believe me, the Qualia 006 is a bit of a stretch for my budget so I’ll be reading every word on the possibility of better for less and confirming for myself the legitimacy of the information until I have a shiny new RPTV sitting on my stand.

Sorry for the long post, I’ve been reading this thread and learning so much from everyone that I felt compelled to contribute somehow. It’s great to be in the company of people who are enthusiastic about this stuff as well as being very knowledgeable.



Nicely said :D :D :D

You guys who encouraged me to create a new icon for my username got me started. I just wasted an hour shooting this video and getting it up on the web. Quicktime 6 required. Call me crazy! Enjoy!

http://www.kingoftheroad.net/qualia006/peacock.html

Originally posted by colortv
You guys who encouraged me to create a new icon for my username got me started. I just wasted an hour shooting this video and getting it up on the web. Quicktime 6 required. Call me crazy! Enjoy!

http://www.kingoftheroad.net/qualia006/peacock.html

Colortv,
You never cease to amaze me. Very impressive indeed!!! I especially like your new icon :D

Could someone who has used this set as a computer monitor post the resolution and refresh rate they used? I am having a devil of a time getting the screen to fit. I tried Powerstrip but I am not very good at using it. It would be the easiest if I could just crib off someone :)

Originally posted by colortv
You guys who encouraged me to create a new icon for my username got me started. I just wasted an hour shooting this video and getting it up on the web. Quicktime 6 required. Call me crazy! Enjoy!

http://www.kingoftheroad.net/qualia006/peacock.html
I really like that!!! Way to go Colortv.
That would make a great "power-up" sequence for the 006 but
I guess that would be favoring one of the networks.
Colortv, would you happen to have that clip in an AVI or MOV file?

Martin

Originally posted by punkzip
Could someone who has used this set as a computer monitor post the resolution and refresh rate they used? I am having a devil of a time getting the screen to fit. I tried Powerstrip but I am not very good at using it. It would be the easiest if I could just crib off someone :)

I'm right there with you, but I'm still waiting on a delivery date. If you don't have it figured out by the time I have my set, you can cheat off of me. :cool:

Where the hell is that boat?!?

--Dwayne

I still haven't seen the Qualia 006 in person and would like to do so.

Does anyone know of any sets that can be seen in the southeast? Atlanta maybe??

Color-
Finally figured out how to get the QT plugin... peacock looks awesome!
-Josh

The Qualia works ok as a computer monitor for Windows although I can't get the entire screen to fit yet (see my other post). I am using 1280 x 720 progressive at 60Hz. 1980 x 1080 interlaced at 60 Hz works also but the fonts are too small and the screen isn't close to fitting.

However, when I try to play games like Half-Life, they will not even display. I get vertical bars breaking up the image and horizontal lines going up and down. I think computer games are playable as I heard someone here post about playing the Half-Life 2 demo. Anyone have any idea of what you need to set the refresh rates/resolution at for games? I hope this doesn't mean the Qualia cannot be used for computer games because I have not gotten a single game to display correctly although Windows displays fine.

Originally posted by xrispy

With that I encourage the likes of Sycore to continue to post new information -- perhaps in an RPTV emerging technologies type thread.
-xrispy
Well said.

Don’t worry, prices on the 006 will drop arithmetically as production ramps up and competitors release their 1080p models. Like you mentioned, it’s simply a matter of timing as to when you’re in the market for this type of display. A lot of us early adopters could wait no longer – hell, I’d be embarrassed to tell you what TV I was watching every night before I got the 006.

Dwayne,
I don't know if you are aware of this but, it may prove to be of interest:

"With the announcement of gaming giant Electronic Arts' commitment to Blu-Ray, the Association cemented that format's future as the disc of choice for console games. Factor in Sony's backing of Blu-ray and the company's announced plans to support Blu-ray in its future PlayStation gaming consoles--and suddenly Blu-ray looks like it has the gaming market niche sealed up. No matter which way Hollywood goes, Blu-ray will exist, in this scenario."

Originally posted by JimP
I still haven't seen the Qualia 006 in person and would like to do so.

Does anyone know of any sets that can be seen in the southeast? Atlanta maybe??
Jim-
I think that DocDVD (who posts at least here and on some of the Qualia 004 threads) is somewhere in the Greater Atlanta area and has some in stock, if I recall his last post correctly.

Originally posted by kaduku
Nicely said :D :D :D
Ditto as above.

Kuduku-
Come Thursday night calling on an accomplished free diver for “Survivor” so that the folks can have fire.
:)

Originally posted by sparkysj
Penton-Man,

I'm not sure if you are aware, but there is a superbit website here (http://sonypictures.com/cthe/superbit) .
Thanks but like color said, there's only so much our DVD players can sqeeze out of 480.

Ya justs can't gets blood out of stone.
It is indeed one interim solution which will have to suffice for awhile.

15 years ago we couldn't even dream that we could have images in our homes as good as those produced by the Quallia 006. 10 years if we had $75,000 we could buy a 3 gun - 9" tube projector that would produce images that gave that "looking through a window" quality. Now for a fraction of the cost we can buy a Qualia 006 that gives images almost as good as those $75,000 projectors. Smaller versions due out later this year will be even cheaper. And Sony promises to use the SXRD technology through the cheaper lines ... maybe these units will not be up to the standard set by the Qualia, but will at least give something close for the average consumer.

The point is, this really is a time to rejoyce! With the amazing advances picture and sound quality it is becoming more and more like "being there", whether it is a nature special, an episode of CSI or a football game.

Originally posted by Penton-Man


Kuduku-
Come Thursday night calling on an accomplished free diver for “Survivor” so that the folks can have fire.
:)

I will be watching. Don't you just miss those warm, blue, crystal clear waters.

Hi Def, This is true,I had no interest in big screen TV Till the way we do it now...Converging was not my thing , even on CRT's earley day of Color...The information you get on the Forums is so wonderful for product knowledge & how to do...

Originally posted by Tulsa1
I really like that!!! Way to go Colortv.
That would make a great "power-up" sequence for the 006 but
I guess that would be favoring one of the networks.
Colortv, would you happen to have that clip in an AVI or MOV file?

Martin

Thanks Tulsa. Check your PM

Originally posted by kaduku
Don't know, It was actually only one guy who kept bringing it up. I believe there is a JVC or LG thread out there where you can find out, but if you want to know anything about the 006, you've come to the right place.

Thanks for responding.

I wondered if either might be less-deep than the 006.

Who will win the format war? Blu-ray in one corner and DVD-HD in the other. Sony is steadfast in that they Will make Blu-rays and put all their movies on them. Toshiba, the inventor of the DVD is likewise just as determined to make DVD-HD with some big Hollywood productions behind them. I think Penton-Man might be right, we will need two players to enjoy all the new 1080i coming out at the end of the year or so, the way it looks now. Any thoughts?

This could be another VHS vs Beta all over again.

1. Sony owns 1 or 2 studios so has access to a large number of movies.
2. Unlike with the Beta/VHS wars, Sony has some big player support, including JVC who seems to be better at promoting than Sony.
3. If I have this right, Blu-ray was a much large disk capacity which gives it an advantage ... they might even want to put Blu-ray on one side of the disk and standard definition on the other, which would give them a huge advantage.

Personally, I am hoping Blu-ray is the ultimate winner .... but whoever wins the images are going to be spectacular on the Qualia!

Originally posted by punkzip
The Qualia works ok as a computer monitor for Windows although I can't get the entire screen to fit yet (see my other post). I am using 1280 x 720 progressive at 60Hz. 1980 x 1080 interlaced at 60 Hz works also but the fonts are too small and the screen isn't close to fitting.

However, when I try to play games like Half-Life, they will not even display. I get vertical bars breaking up the image and horizontal lines going up and down. I think computer games are playable as I heard someone here post about playing the Half-Life 2 demo. Anyone have any idea of what you need to set the refresh rates/resolution at for games? I hope this doesn't mean the Qualia cannot be used for computer games because I have not gotten a single game to display correctly although Windows displays fine.

Ugh. This isn't good. A big part of my decision to buy a Qualia is going to depend on how well I can use it as a computer display (hooked up to my HTPC.) I hope one of you guys can address this issue...

For what it's worth, I had this issue with my XS955 and I had to go into the service menu to adjust overscan/underscan values to get it to properly center the computer desktop image. Has anyone figured out how to enter the Qualia service menu? On the XS955 you press Display, 5, Volume Up, and then Power On (if the TV is already on, you turn it off first and then enter this code during the 5 second window before the TV "really" shuts off.)

- paul

Originally posted by Tulsa1
This could be another VHS vs Beta all over again.

tulsa, I agree somewhat, but they did not come out at the same time, I don't think.

HiDef Bob, I would also add that the Blu-ray may have a better handshake with the 006.

As I posted a while back, I do not have any issues using the 006 as a display for my htpc. I use a nvidia 6600 card and set it to 1080i. I have been trying to get it to sync with 1080p/24 with no success yet. Paul, I pm'd you about viewing my set in person. I just got back from Japan but will give details on the htpc setup as soon as I have a little time. As with most htpc, it is very dependent on the graphics card.
brgds,
jp

Originally posted by wintr
Ugh. This isn't good. A big part of my decision to buy a Qualia is going to depend on how well I can use it as a computer display (hooked up to my HTPC.) I hope one of you guys can address this issue...

For what it's worth, I had this issue with my XS955 and I had to go into the service menu to adjust overscan/underscan values to get it to properly center the computer desktop image. Has anyone figured out how to enter the Qualia service menu? On the XS955 you press Display, 5, Volume Up, and then Power On (if the TV is already on, you turn it off first and then enter this code during the 5 second window before the TV "really" shuts off.)

- paul

Wintr, I think we are really going to have to find an extra geeky computer guy to join our thread!

If there are two HD DVD camps, which, apparently, there are/will be...I hope that "universal" HD DVD players will come and that all we'll have to do is to insert which ever DVD HD formatted disc that we want to watch at the time and let the DVD player/tv do their convergence thing(s).

Originally posted by colortv
You guys who encouraged me to create a new icon for my username got me started. I just wasted an hour shooting this video and getting it up on the web. Quicktime 6 required. Call me crazy! Enjoy!

http://www.kingoftheroad.net/qualia006/peacock.html

I'm impressed! That brings back memories. I am planning to buy another DVI/HDMI cable to hook up to my computer. The PC is on the other side of the wall from from Qualia so it should be easy to thread the cable to the PC. You have inspired me to try my own animations.

ColorTv's post is a great example of the sort of things one can do with an owners thread. Lets keep this going as long as possible.

Incidentally I did not mean that everything is crap programming just that I want to see the medium used to it's potential. Perhaps the higher definition and the emotional response potential will open up opportunites that we have not anticipated. I do suspect that this will happen.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by Dilbert1
I'm impressed! That brings back memories. I am planning to buy another DVI/HDMI cable to hook up to my computer. The PC is on the other side of the wall from from Qualia so it should be easy to thread the cable to the PC. You have inspired me to try my own animations.

ColorTv's post is a great example of the sort of things one can do with an owners thread. Lets keep this going as long as possible.

Thanks to all for your nice comments. Glad you're enjoying the peacock.

Unlike most owner's threads on AVS, we Qualia 006 owners have little to complain about, very few problems, few calibration and setup concerns. We seem to be a fairly happy lot and I hope our positive experiences with the Qualia 006 will encourage a few other fence sitters to join the party. It's pretty cool to be able to recommend any product without reservations - no reservations whatsoever!

Originally posted by colortv
Thanks to all for your nice comments. Glad you're enjoying the peacock.

Unlike most owner's threads on AVS, we Qualia 006 owners have little to complain about, very few problems, few calibration and setup concerns. We seem to be a fairly happy lot and I hope our positive experiences with the Qualia 006 will encourage a few other fence sitters to join the party. It's pretty cool to be able to recommend any product without reservations - no reservations whatsoever!

Colortv -

EXACTLY correct. This is one GREAT set, no two ways about it. I get that great "WOW" almost 3-D feeling when seeing a nicely transferred high-def flick on this set. That feeling, which I had when first viewing my first HD-RPTV about 4 or 5 years ago (a CRT set), and which went away, has now returned, and is there EVERY day I turn on this set. I also find, that setting the color temp. to cool or neutral periodically and turning down the contrast a little to about 56 (I usually use warm and about 58), can really give me an extra jolt of "WOW" even though it may not be a technically "accurate" picture. This is especially true with my Comcast HD box and particularly both INHD channels and FOXHD.

By the way... I don't remember seeing much mentioned here, other than very infrequenty, about reds this set provides, so let me be very clear. They are PERFECTLY RED - not reddish orange - like many other sets I've seen. I watched American Idol last night, which uses a lot of red in the set (Coca -cola labeled mugs on the judges' desk are quite evident), and it is DEAD ON perfect. The best reds I have ever seen BY FAR. Its interesting that this is something Sony mentions in their advertising for this set -the great reds, and that is definitely not hype.

Originally posted by nhey
... I don't remember seeing much mentioned here, other than very infrequenty, about reds this set provides, so let me be very clear. They are PERFECTLY RED - not reddish orange - like many other sets I've seen. I watched American Idol last night, which uses a lot of red in the set (Coca -cola labeled mugs on the judges' desk are quite evident), and it is DEAD ON perfect. The best reds I have ever seen BY FAR. Its interesting that this is something Sony mentions in their advertising for this set -the great reds, and that is definitely not hype.

We have become conditioned to seeing a very different red on NTSC television. The original NTSC spec for red was abandoned in the 1950's. Early RCA color TV's (model CT-100) displayed a red very similar to what we see on our Qualia 006's, albeit a bit less saturated. Unfortunately the red phosphors used in those early sets provide a fairly dim picture. Different phosphors that yielded the orangey-red we are used to on NTSC video provided a much brighter image, so those original spec phosphors have not been used since around 1955. I have seen a working RCA CT-100 and immediately noticed the difference in red tone. I have not seen reds like that again until I saw the Qualia 006. Of course the overall color space on HDTV is much wider than NTSC, but no other HDTV I've seen has reds as gorgeous as SXRD. They are highly saturated and very accurate. You're right - American Idol really shows off the reds. Idol is one of the best looking shows on HDTV - breathtaking - and it's 720p.

Color TV , This is true Folks...They called the phosphor pure earth phosphors...When the found out they may have a shortage of the Red Phosphor they went synthetic which was a Orange Red..I have not herd anybody talk of this for 20 years.....

Originally posted by G.B.
Color TV , This is true Folks...They called the phosphor pure earth phosphors...When the found out they may have a shortage of the Red Phosphor they went synthetic which was a Orange Red..I have not herd anybody talk of this for 20 years.....

You why this thread is so great? It is because it has so much depth. Guys like G.B., Colortv and nhey embody that.

Let me ask you all a question that may be sort of a reverse consequence of the great reds the 006 puts out. My wife and I noticed that stage blood on the 006 looks really fake, too red, compared to news shots. Is this orange-red compensation on the part of movie makers?

Originally posted by sparkysj
You why this thread is so great? It is because it has so much depth. Guys like G.B., Colortv and nhey embody that.

Let me ask you all a question that may be sort of a reverse consequence of the great reds the 006 puts out. My wife and I noticed that stage blood on the 006 looks really fake, too red, compared to news shots. Is this orange-red compensation on the part of movie makers?

It means you have to go into the service menu and fix the red push that the set came with.

Re: Re: Re: Qualia 006 ISF calibration

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Originally posted by kaduku
Chad B,
From your first impression of the Qualia 006, do you even think the 006 can be improved, if so, by how much?
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Honestly, it looked incredible, but my buddy and I did see some things that could be improved. I could tell there was some red push, and compared to the Qualia 004 they had set up close by, the color temp on the 006 was noticeably cooler (bluer).
I think after calibration of the grayscale and color decoder the picture will have richer colors and purer whites, but without making skintones look overly sunburnt.

Has any of the geekier geeks check color bars with this set to see if it has red push or not?? This might be a problem to check unless you're sure that the HD color matrix is being generated.

While we're getting into the nitty gritty, anyone done a black level (brightness) test using different APLs to see if black levels float??

Originally posted by sparkysj
You why this thread is so great? It is because it has so much depth. Guys like G.B., Colortv and nhey embody that.

Let me ask you all a question that may be sort of a reverse consequence of the great reds the 006 puts out. My wife and I noticed that stage blood on the 006 looks really fake, too red, compared to news shots. Is this orange-red compensation on the part of movie makers?

Since most movies are shot on film, that is not an issue. There are red liquids specifically designed to look authentic on film and video. I assure you no one in the TV industry consciously thinks about the inaccuracy of NTSC reds. We're all used to that red tone. The reds on the Qualia are really saturated, but they don't have the oversaturated look of an NTSC TV with the "color" cranked up too high. I'm still getting used to the color space of HDTV and the SXRD, because it is different than what we've become accustomed to.

I have noticed what you see - fake looking blood and makeup flaws. These 006's are unforgiving and will eventually raise the standards of all professions in the TV/movie industry. I have become pickier with my editing now as a direct result of having this TV. In the past, we have concentrated on making 4:3 look good, with some sacrifice to 16:9. It's hard to satisfy the needs of both aspect ratios. But now that I own a 16:9 TV and I'm watching my work at home, I'm putting extra effort into 16:9. The same will apply over time to all aspects and departments of TV/movie production. So my Qualia 006 is certainly influencing my work and I'm encouraged to do a better job.

Originally posted by sparkysj
Wintr, I think we are really going to have to find an extra geeky computer guy to join our thread!

Um, I'm already here--I just don't have my Qualia yet. :cool:

Where the hell is that boat?!?

--Dwayne

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Dwayne,
I don't know if you are aware of this but, it may prove to be of interest:

"With the announcement of gaming giant Electronic Arts' commitment to Blu-Ray, the Association cemented that format's future as the disc of choice for console games. Factor in Sony's backing of Blu-ray and the company's announced plans to support Blu-ray in its future PlayStation gaming consoles--and suddenly Blu-ray looks like it has the gaming market niche sealed up. No matter which way Hollywood goes, Blu-ray will exist, in this scenario."

Interesting. Is a Blu-ray disk physically different from a DVD? Or to put it another way, is Blu-ray a higher-capacity disk format (more than 9G/side) or is it a different encoding method (i.e. MPEG4 vs. MPEG2)?

If it's just a different codec then it could theoretically be supported on current platforms (well, not the Gamecube). Then again, if it's just a codec, why would it be of any advantage to game consoles except for FMV sequences?

--Dwayne

Originally posted by wintr
Has anyone figured out how to enter the Qualia service menu? On the XS955 you press Display, 5, Volume Up, and then Power On (if the TV is already on, you turn it off first and then enter this code during the 5 second window before the TV "really" shuts off.)

- paul

Okay Qualia owners, I'd say the chances are pretty good that the SM sequence is the same on the Q006. Can someone give it a try?

Can someone who does pro calibrations confirm or deny?

--Dwayne

colortv,

CRT-RPTVs do not use colored phosphors. I have been watching red for 25 years.

Originally posted by Zechman
Okay Qualia owners, I'd say the chances are pretty good that the SM sequence is the same on the Q006. Can someone give it a try?

Can someone who does pro calibrations confirm or deny?

--Dwayne

And just in case anyone's ascared: Just entering the service menu doesn't do anything other than display the service info. You can just turn the TV off and back on, and all will be back to normal. In fact, changing values doesn't actually do anything permanent either - you have to specifically "Write" them to memory to make them permanent (which is code: Mute then Enter, by the way.)

umr's tweak threads have the full SM info for the Grand Wega sets.

- paul

Originally posted by Zechman
Um, I'm already here--I just don't have my Qualia yet. :cool:

Where the hell is that boat?!?

--Dwayne

Zechman,

That is music to all our ears!!!!!! Man do we have it all now, or what!
Hope you get your 006 soon!

sm access to 006 works as described. you need to be patient because the tv takes a while when turning off then on right away. It will eventually turn on with the sm overlayed on top of what ever input you previously have the tv set to. I haven't play with the settings yet.

btw, blu-ray uses a "blue" laser as opposed to a red laser (hence the name.) As such it is much more than just a codec difference (actually both use mpeg 2.) Most of the hidef dvd player/recorders in Japan were blu-ray with prices around 2K. They usually included a hdd, dvd, and bd(blu-ray dvd) with a tuner built-in. Sharp made one called a BD-HD100 that had a 160GB HD, 25GB BD, and DVD. This unit also has a 110CS tuner. It contains hdmi, i.link,D4 (like component), and 100Base-tx LAN connections. I need to research this more to see if there are any issues with trying to use this in the US with the 006. The menus will probably be in Japanese, the DVD looks like its only DVD-5 (4.7GB) (most DVDs movies are DVD-9) and it may be region 2. I'm not sure if I can take advantage of the built-in tuner. The output may be 1125i/750p and may not sync with the 006. I think the comcast 6412 may be a better fit!
brgds,
jp

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but I found the Qualia 006 Owner's Guide on their support page.

This may help those with simple hookup type questions.

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/KDS70Q006.pdf

Originally posted by jm_etue
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but I found the Qualia 006 Owner's Guide on their support page.


THANK YOU. This answers all of my pre-delivery hookup questions. Mucho appreciado!

I attended a pro seminar tonight here in Los Angeles on the Sony HVR-Z1U HDV camcorder. This is the "pro" version of the FX1 consumer HDV camcorder. I went to the seminar as a skeptic after reading some reviews. But after seeing split screen comparisons to Sony's $165,000 HDW-F900 HDCAM pro camera, I became a believer. The $5,000 Z1 is an awesome camera producing STUNNING images, although it's not perfect and not right for every situation. The consumer version should be great for most of the needs we would have - assuming we could afford the steep $3500 (street) entry price.

A well respected Hollywood cinematographer showed some footage he shot under tough lighting conditions. The camera always looked incredible. A recent need for a small HD camera arose for the TV series "Jag" and this cinematographer convinced the producers of Jag to shoot some footage on the Z1. Everyone was impressed at how well the Z1's images intercut with Jag's 35mm film.

The consumer FX1 will look awesome on a Qualia 006, but too bad the price is so high. Any of you who can pay the freight on this camera will not be disappointed. If you do, you MUST use the more expensive tape Sony sells for HDV. Mini DV tape stock will work but is more prone to devastating dropouts. Shoot your precious footage on the good stuff - tape is cheap.

Originally posted by jm_etue
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but I found the Qualia 006 Owner's Guide on their support page.

This may help those with simple hookup type questions.

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/KDS70Q006.pdf

Thanks jm_etue, a link to the Qualia 006 Owner's Manual is now in post #1 for easy reference by prospective owners and those waiting for the boat :)

Originally posted by colortv
So my Qualia 006 is certainly influencing my work and I'm encouraged to do a better job.

I am looking forward to the day when HDTV is priority 1 with all the networks. It is nice to know that there is at least one person that is working to make HDTV better for the home viewer.

Since you work in the industry maybe you can answer a question - why is it the sometimes the technician "forgets" to switch to HDTV, either at the beginning of the program or after a commercial break. Is this just a case of the tech not paying attention to his/her job or is it more complicated than that?

colortv,

I passed on your remarks re: Sony HDRFX1 to a local professional video dealer . He sent the following reply ...

"We now have both the Consumer HDRFX1 and the Professional HVRZ!U in stock for demo and rental. We are going to have the Professional HVRZ1U and the Professional HVRM10U Deck in stock in the next week or so. I find most people want the Pro version for good reason. It does PAL and NTSC, DVCAM and HDV and has balanced XLR Audio and SMPTE Timecode and Six Presets along with more.

We are renting the Mini 35 Adapter which allows 35mm Motion Picture Lenses like Cook, Panavision and Zeiss on the front of the HVRZ1U and it converts the image to a softness like film. Since we got this unit, it has been out everyday. People are excited as you can imagine."

Exciting times in the video industry!

Originally posted by HiDef Bob
I am looking forward to the day when HDTV is priority 1 with all the networks. It is nice to know that there is at least one person that is working to make HDTV better for the home viewer.

Since you work in the industry maybe you can answer a question - why is it the sometimes the technician "forgets" to switch to HDTV, either at the beginning of the program or after a commercial break. Is this just a case of the tech not paying attention to his/her job or is it more complicated than that?

That's a good question and a mystery that currently affects the network comedy show I work on. Our HD broadcast on this last Tuesday night was loaded with problems. Being the editor on the show, I'm VERY familiar with how the show should look and sound - in some cases I may have seen an episode dozens of times before we send the finished product to the network.

In the case of this Tuesday's broadcast:

• the "Tag" (the last act of the show before the station break) aired in 4:3 SD even though the rest of the show was in HD. Mystery not yet solved.

• due to the recent horrific storms we have experienced in Southern California, our local station inserted a weather bulletin "crawl" at the bottom of the frame midway into the telecast. Apparently they had no means to put the crawl on the HD feed, so the broadcast suddenly switched to 4:3 SD and the weather bulletin appeared. When it ended, teh local engineers switched back to 16:9 HD.

• a technician at the network in NYC made 2 edits in the show to remove "glitches" (dropouts) he discovered when doing a pre-broadcast quality check. I went ballistic when I saw and heard what he had done. In both cases, the soundtrack obviously jumped and the actors made a sudden jump in the frame, certainly not the way I delivered the show. Proper procedure would have been to check the tape on another VTR and if the problems persisted, request a new copy before air.

After watching the broadcast on my DVR, I made an SD VHS from the HD DVR recording on my Comcast/Motorola 6412 (a handy feature of that box) and showed our producers what happened on Wednesday. Not one of them has an HDTV and have not seen the show on the HD channel. That seems strange doesn't it? We are currently shooting our 100th episode of the series in HD. These problems were not seen on the 4:3 SD broadcast they all watched that night.

Needless to say, the pot was boiling yesterday over this issue. The inept engineer who took it upon himself to make edits in a show SHOULD have requested a new HD dub from the master (although that tape had been QC'd and approved by another technician the day before). It's never considered to be acceptable practice for someone in his position to make such changes, especially considering the show has been carefully massaged to look good in front of an audience of millions of people.

So you can see that I sympathize with you and am as perplexed as you are. Keep in mind that 2 copies of comedy and dramatic shows produced in HD are delivered to the networks - a 4:3 SD downconversion for airing on the analog channels and a 16:9 HD version for the digital channels. The tapes are played in sync and there are 2 switching centers in network control rooms handling the SD and HD feeds. Obviously the system needs refinement, and as HD becomes more widely accepted these problems MAY disappear.

i purchased the 006 last sunday at the nyc sony store, based in large part on this site. thank you all for the terrific info and observations. delivery is 4 to 6 weeks, can't wait.

thanks again

colortv,

Thanks so very much for the great insite!

I also sympathize with "Joe Blow" who just put down a large sum of money to enjoy HDTV, only to encounter all these glitchs. The average consumer is probably even more frustrated and annoyed than people like ourselves that are aware of some of the technical issues.

Since I began watching HD in 2000, I have also notice that there have been far more problems with HD broadcasts with DD5.1. The good news is that those problems seem to be gradually disappearing. Maybe CBS did the right thing by waiting. Early episodes of Alias on ABC were racked with problems ... often the centre channel was missing, so no dialogue! Also, there were more dropouts ... both picture and sound. Does DD5.1 add to the bandwidth?

Originally posted by apache1
i purchased the 006 last sunday at the nyc sony store, based in large part on this site. thank you all for the terrific info and observations. delivery is 4 to 6 weeks, can't wait.

thanks again

Congrats and welcome aboard, apache1:cool:

Colortv,

I might be a little biased, but your show is certainly one of the best I've seen! My wife and I enjoy it immensely!

Penton-Man,

Where are you? Is every thing OK?

ColorTV, I have been following your posts with interest, my youngest son is a senior associate producer for WWE, and lives in Stamford CT with his brother the music co-ordinator for the same company.

Did anybody purchase an extended warranty with their 006?

Folks with D*,

Looks like one of the birds is completed two months early, Directv Sat 8. Did not give a launch date, but hopefully soon.

Originally posted by sparkysj
Penton-Man,

Where are you? Is every thing OK?
Everything’s fine. Thanks for asking.

Since the thread is back on track I’m just letting everyone else run with the ball for a few downs as thee ol’ legs are tired. We’ve got good stuff going again.

Here’s a link that I came across that is recent and represents what I think is a nice summary of the current state of affairs as to the Format Wars and also explains why Blu-Ray is the superior choice (more space ! on dem discs !).

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119665,00.asp
:)

Originally posted by apache1
i purchased the 006 last sunday at the nyc sony store, based in large part on this site. thank you all for the terrific info and observations. delivery is 4 to 6 weeks, can't wait.

thanks again
apache,
Welcome to the Qualia 006 family, it's nice to have you onboard.:)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Everything’s fine. Thanks for asking.

Since the thread is back on track I’m just letting everyone else run with the ball for a few downs as thee ol’ legs are tired. We’ve got good stuff going again.

Here’s a link that I came across that is recent and represents what I think is a nice summary of the current state of affairs as to the Format Wars and also explains why Blu-Ray is the superior choice (more space ! on dem discs !).

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119665,00.asp
:)

The holographic versatile disk at the end of the article was interesting. Have not heard of that?

Originally posted by sparkysj
Colortv,

I might be a little biased, but your show is certainly one of the best I've seen! My wife and I enjoy it immensely!

Glad to hear it. Thanks. I'll pass along your comments to the star of the show who will be here in my editing room in 5 minutes. He loves compliments!

Originally posted by Neo2005
Did anybody purchase an extended warranty with their 006?

I would have purchased the extended warranty in a heartbeat, but for some reason an extended warranty is not available ... yet. Hopefully one will be offered and we early adopters can be grandfathered into the plan if we opt to buy an extended warranty.

Originally posted by jkv4
Re: Re: Re: Qualia 006 ISF calibration

quote:
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Originally posted by kaduku
Chad B,
From your first impression of the Qualia 006, do you even think the 006 can be improved, if so, by how much?
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Honestly, it looked incredible, but my buddy and I did see some things that could be improved. I could tell there was some red push, and compared to the Qualia 004 they had set up close by, the color temp on the 006 was noticeably cooler (bluer).
I think after calibration of the grayscale and color decoder the picture will have richer colors and purer whites, but without making skintones look overly sunburnt.


You must have been looking at the set with the user menu set at cool color temp which does give a bluish white, but makes the picture "brighter". The warm color temp has been confirmed by JP2 using Milori Colorfacts to be pretty close to 6500K for the whole IRE range. Using digital video essentials, I saw no red push. The out of the box color and hue settings were dead on. Some folks like less "intense" colors, which can be easily achieved by turning down the color setting a couple notches. There is also a Color Corrector setting in the user menu that makes colors more "vivid" but can be shut off if that is your preference. I don't think I've ever seen "sunburnt" skin tones with any HD program I've seen on this set. To me, one of the most outstanding aspects of this set is how accurate the skin tones are.

I watched Spiderman 2 superbit at 480i on my DVD player via component to the 006 last night. I was amazed at the sharpness and detail I was seeing - extremely impressive for 480i. Everyone who has seen the Blu-ray version of Spiderman 2 has been stunned at how great it looks. I can't wait!

Originally posted by sparkysj
The holographic versatile disk at the end of the article was interesting.
That’s because you’ve been spending too much time down in the CAT scanner or MRI suite looking at all those 3-D images of people’s body parts.:)

To me….it means that BOTH my future Blu-Ray and my HD-DVD units will be obsolete too soon.

Oh well…..technology marches on.

Originally posted by nhey
I don't think I've ever seen "sunburnt" skin tones with any HD program I've seen on this set. To me, one of the most outstanding aspects of this set is how accurate the skin tones are.

Agreed nhey,
No red push with my settings either.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
That’s because you’ve been spending too much time down in the CAT scanner or MRI suite looking at all those 3-D images of people’s body parts.:)


Penton-Man, I do spend alot of time down there, but it"s our voluptuous MR and CT tech girls that have the most interesting 3-D images.!!

I would bet that Colortv has alot of cute editing techs running around the studio as well.

Originally posted by sparkysj
I would bet that Colortv has alot of cute editing techs running around the studio as well.

:(

It's a man's world here...

Originally posted by sparkysj
Folks with D*,

Looks like one of the birds is completed two months early, Directv Sat 8. Did not give a launch date, but hopefully soon.

sparkysj,
Any links to this news?

Originally posted by apache1
i purchased the 006 last sunday at the nyc sony store, based in large part on this site. thank you all for the terrific info and observations. delivery is 4 to 6 weeks, can't wait.


You are very much worthy, congratulations and welcome! :D

Originally posted by kaduku
sparkysj,
Any links to this news?

Kaduku,

Go over to the HDTV Hardware forum here on AVS. Go to the first thread-D* plans with sats or something like that. Click on the last page. I think it is posted by Alan Gordon. He has a ton of links on his lengthly post.

Kaduku. post #308.

Originally posted by sparkysj
Kaduku,

Go over to the HDTV Hardware forum here on AVS. Go to the first thread-D* plans with sats or something like that. Click on the last page. I think it is posted by Alan Gordon. He has a ton of links on his lengthly post.

Thanks sparkysj,
I am a D* customer and having problems due to my terrain. This added Sat is very good news indeed.

Originally posted by kaduku
Thanks sparkysj,
I am a D* customer and having problems due to my terrain. This added Sat is very good news indeed.

Kaduku,

I am in the same boat. But from the sound of the article it sounds like D* is planning on really cleaning things up. Maybe even our SDs will have more bandwidth with all the extra space this bird will have.

From the Owner's Guide:
The DIGITAL AUDIO (OPTICAL) OUT jack is available only when a digital TV channel is received.

My question is for owners using the i.link input:

Will the digital audio bit stream from a D-VHS VCR connected via firewire pass through to the DIGITAL AUDIO (OPTICAL) OUT on the 006 (and then to a 5.1 receiver)?

Thanks.

Just an update on the Qualia as a PC monitor. I have a PC hooked up via a DVI to HDMI cable. Most games will not even display. The problem I think is that the Qualia will only support a limited number of resolutions and these resolutions may not be what the game supports. Or perhaps I have the refresh rate wrong (I am using 60 Hz at all resolutions). From posting on other boards I understand that component connection may allow for more resolutions, however, there is no DVI to component cable for my Nvidia video card. I could get a VGA to component transcoder with a DVI to VGA adapter but the combination will be expensive and only available via the Internet with no guarantee of working.

Sorry for the bad news. If anyone is successful with PC games on the Qualia let me know.

Originally posted by punkzip
Just an update on the Qualia as a PC monitor. I have a PC hooked up via a DVI to HDMI cable. Most games will not even display. The problem I think is that the Qualia will only support a limited number of resolutions and these resolutions may not be what the game supports. Or perhaps I have the refresh rate wrong (I am using 60 Hz at all resolutions). From posting on other boards I understand that component connection may allow for more resolutions, however, there is no DVI to component cable for my Nvidia video card. I could get a VGA to component transcoder with a DVI to VGA adapter but the combination will be expensive and only available via the Internet with no guarantee of working.

Sorry for the bad news. If anyone is successful with PC games on the Qualia let me know.

It's amazing that Sony does not list the supported resolutions/refresh rates on all Qualia's inputs.

Manufacturers for most displays do. Perhaps they will publish them if people insist.

Originally posted by punkzip
Just an update on the Qualia as a PC monitor. I have a PC hooked up via a DVI to HDMI cable. Most games will not even display. The problem I think is that the Qualia will only support a limited number of resolutions and these resolutions may not be what the game supports. Or perhaps I have the refresh rate wrong (I am using 60 Hz at all resolutions). From posting on other boards I understand that component connection may allow for more resolutions, however, there is no DVI to component cable for my Nvidia video card. I could get a VGA to component transcoder with a DVI to VGA adapter but the combination will be expensive and only available via the Internet with no guarantee of working.

Sorry for the bad news. If anyone is successful with PC games on the Qualia let me know.

You might want to give some of the settings in this post a chance. Reading the thread may also be useful. This post is for the Grand Wega series which may behave similarly to the Qualia. Sony TV's do not tend to be PC friendly in general.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=3326925#post3326925

Here is some interesting reading about D-VHS.
I thought it appropriate to post in here since several of us 006 owners
are using it.

http://www.videosystems.com/e-newsletters/HDV_at_Work_feb_22/#1

Martin

ColorTV..Please check your PM.

I just received word that my 006 will arrive mid April, so building the stand starts now.

I too would like an extended warranty...anybody heard anything regarding that business?:D

NOTE: SONY'S DLP, THIS WAS ON ANOTHER THREAD POSTED A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.

If your budget cannot handle recent plasma price reductions then I would concur with NavyChop above even though I haven't seen it get rave reviews the JVC has the best PQ at BB and Sears when I visit and the BB Sales person said the JVC was his favorite outside the Pio plasma. The JVC D-ILA is good and so is the SONY DLP. I believe both Samsung, JVC, and a new Sharp DLP with around 10,000:1 CR and may improve daytime viewing and angle viewing issues and will have improved versions debuting between April and July. If my budget couldn't be stretched to $4k or $5K then I would go with a DLP or the JVC at around$2.5-$3K. But the way prices are falling in plasma's they are getting much closer. Take an afternoon to compare them side by side. Always remember that in retail stores they rarely duplicate the type of viewing conditions/angles that we have in our homes that same DLP in a brightly lit room and from an anlge may be a real problem and glare can be an issue.

Also Sony may be debuting their new DLP's with sxrd in the next few months but right now they are keeping their plans secret. The sxrd will become Sony's next big thing and right now it's only available in the Qualia 006 at $13K. That sure would be great having your children getting a Home Theater for you when you retire, what a great thing to do! Kudo's!
Good Luck!

"new DLP's with sxrd"??? :confused:

Um, if it uses SXRD, then how can they be calling it a DLP??? :confused:

DLP means micro-mirrors. SXRD is reflective LCoS.

I agree that SXRD will eventually become the engine of the XBR line, maybe even late this year, but to call it a DLP is just plain misleading.

Am I the only one confused?

--Dwayne

26 Hours....................................................... ...:D

Originally posted by Zechman


Am I the only one confused?

--Dwayne

You are not confused. They are. They are using DLP as a generic term for a microdisplay. Duh.

........................Sony DLP with SXRD........................................?????


See what happens when people sniff vaseline and surf too much porn......................it melts whats left of their brain.

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
........................Sony DLP with SXRD........................................?????


See what happens when people sniff vaseline and surf too much porn......................it melts whats left of their brain.
Well it didn't prevent me from catching that mistake....

Um, wait, forget I said anything.... :D

--Dwayne

I agree that SXRD will eventually become the engine of the XBR line.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=5237034#post5237034

I wouldn´t be too sure of that.

Originally posted by keyser
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=5237034#post5237034

I wouldn´t be too sure of that.

But that is what Sony is currently suggesting. That the SXRD technology filter down through their cheaper lines.

They are dropping Plasmas.

However, they are one company plans to stay strong in picture tubes. And LCD's will continue to be part of their lineup, with the new "back-lit" LCD's (have I got that right?) coming later this year.

So, SXRD technology I think will become a major part of their television line, but there will be lots of other choices.

With their new LED backlit flat panel LCD´s there wouldn´t be any point in having plasmas, beside them beying cheaper. I bet these Qualia LCD´s will look awesome.
I hope your right about the SXRD filtering it´s way down, because I don´t think I´ll upgrade to another DLP(can´t stand the motion artifacts and posturizing) or LCD(to much SDE). 1080P SXRD with Dynamic Iris... that´s what I´d want... oh yeah, and for 10k:)

NAH...this is what happens when you don't wash your fruit and vegtables!

Having a hard time in Portland, OR, getting to see the 006. I guess it will be a while before stores have a display as most of the ones due in are pre-sold!

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
........................Sony DLP with SXRD........................................?????


See what happens when people sniff vaseline and surf too much porn......................it melts whats left of their brain.

Ok I managed to get the Qualia working as a PC monitor for games by installing BETA drivers. However these beta drivers cause some other problems unrelated to the Qualia display. Suffice it to say that it was a VERY arduous process to get it to work and I am not even sure why the new drivers solved the game display problem.

If any one wants to use the Qualia as a PC monitor with Nvidia cards post here and I can give you some tips.

Originally posted by apache1
i purchased the 006 last sunday at the nyc sony store, based in large part on this site. thank you all for the terrific info and observations. delivery is 4 to 6 weeks, can't wait.

thanks again

WOW!! Look at the delivery times Sony is quoting. Looks like maybe Sony is having production problems of some sort based on the delivery times their own company stores are stating.
My local dealer pushed back the delivery of my 006 to the end of Feb when I checked two weeks ago.
I am going to visit him today and check again. I am going there to help my daughter purchase a new big screen HDTV, not a 006 and I might possibly buy a 17 or 22' HDTV LCD to watch the news, weather etc so the 006 is not on constantly. Our old 60" RPTV Mits ran 12 hrs or more every day. I am surprised it lasted as long as it did.

Stew

Originally posted by mpsan
NAH...this is what happens when you don't wash your fruit and vegtables!

Having a hard time in Portland, OR, getting to see the 006. I guess it will be a while before stores have a display as most of the ones due in are pre-sold!

mpsan,

I never saw the 006 displayed until it arrived to my home. The Sony Qualia website said you could make an appt. at conveniently located stores in NYC or Vagas. I can honestly tell you, you will be completely blown away. There is just NOTHING better. I can't see Sony holding back the technology by not letting it filter down to smaller TVs or XBR line. They would be foolish to do so.

Originally posted by punkzip
Ok I managed to get the Qualia working as a PC monitor for games by installing BETA drivers. However these beta drivers cause some other problems unrelated to the Qualia display. Suffice it to say that it was a VERY arduous process to get it to work and I am not even sure why the new drivers solved the game display problem.

If any one wants to use the Qualia as a PC monitor with Nvidia cards post here and I can give you some tips.

So punkzip, are you actually playing games now? If so, how does it preform? How does the 006 look as a PC monitor?

I am sure that my wife and I will love it. But, I can not/will not buy anything completely unseen.

Originally posted by sparkysj
mpsan,

I never saw the 006 displayed until it arrived to my home. The Sony Qualia website said you could make an appt. at conveniently located stores in NYC or Vagas. I can honestly tell you, you will be completely blown away. There is just NOTHING better. I can't see Sony holding back the technology by not letting it filter down to smaller TVs or XBR line. They would be foolish to do so.

Originally posted by mpsan
I am sure that my wife and I will love it. But, I can not/will not buy anything completely unseen.

Why not?

Hundreds of AVS'ers bought plasmas and RPTVs sight unseen and are deliriously happy.

I can say that I would buy a 50" SXRD RPTV in a hearbeat based on this thread and Rich Harkness' reporting, IF it were available:D

Well, I guess we are just that way!

Originally posted by wojtek
Why not?

Hundreds of AVS'ers bought plasmas and RPTVs sight unseen and are deliriously happy.

I can say that I would buy a 50" SXRD RPTV in a hearbeat based on this thread and Rich Harkness' reporting, IF it were available:D

Originally posted by mpsan
I am sure that my wife and I will love it. But, I can not/will not buy anything completely unseen.

If you ever get to Tennessee, stop on by.:D

The Qualia looks fine as a PC monitor. You can use 1980 x 1080 but it is best not to because text is hard to read (even if you use large fonts a lot of text on Web sites is still tiny). I recommend 720p.

As for games, I have only played Half-Life 2 for about 5 minutes at 1980 x 1080, looks great preliminarily.

Thanks Punkzip, and thanks for all your hard work! Good news indeed!

Originally posted by mpsan
Well, I guess we are just that way!

I accept that!:)

Are there any Qualians in Oregon?

punkzip,
I pm'd you about how to get the 006 working properly as a htpc. As I think you discovered, htpc's are very driver dependent. I was able to get my nvidia 6600 card to sync with no issues pretty easily. The forceware drivers recognized the 006 properly and allows me to pick any of the standard hdtv resolutions. What I haven't been able to do yet is get the 006 to sync with 1080/24PsF. The qualia 004 is able to do this but I don't think the 006 is able to. The latest forceware drivers (75.90) have a pre-configured timing for that rate but the 006 doesn't seem to sync. One other option would be to try a vga to component dongle and see if the 006 syncs on that input. I am using the htpc mostly for dvd viewing which looks very good at 1080i. I agree that for web browsing, 720p would be easier on the eyes at 12 feet back. btw, shark tales looks amazing on the 006!
brgds,
jp

Do any of the Qualia owners have a Mitsubishi D-VHS machine? Does this record from the Sony's firewire?

Originally posted by ericlhyman
Do any of the Qualia owners have a Mitsubishi D-VHS machine? Does this record from the Sony's firewire?

I have a JVC DVHS machine which records from the Qualia 006 iLink port just fine. But I seem to recall something quirky about the Mits DVHS Firewire connection. Maybe it was that only a Mits DVHS machine can record from a Mits HDTV's Firewire port - but not sure. A Mits DVHS machine may be compatible as an HD recorder from the Qualia 006. Anyone... ?

On another DVHS note .. I've heard it's possible to capture and edit HDV in the new version of Apple/Mac iMovie 5 HD from a Sony HDV camcorder, then output the edited movie back to the HDV camcorder OR (even better) via Firewire to DVHS. Since there's no high def DVD format yet to send the finished product out to, once again DVHS may prove its value as a recordable high def medium in the interim.

This will help me out: I plan to rent a Sony Z1 (pro) HDV camera in the near future for a little test run, edit in either Final Cut Pro HD or iMovie HD, then output the edited HD movie to DVHS to archive it. Since I'll only have the camera for a short time during the rental, it's much better for me to archive the finished movie on DVHS rather than on an HDV tape.

Watched "The Chronicles of Riddick" on dvd. Whoever said it was right, great transfer.

Colortv,

If you just had the new Sony HDV camcorder, and no editing equipment, I guess you would make tapes and then have to watch them on HDTV just using the camcorder itself? Is that correct?

Originally posted by kaduku
Watched "The Chronicles of Riddick" on dvd. Whoever said it was right, great transfer.

Kaduku,

Imagine how good it's going to look on Blu-ray!

Originally posted by sparkysj
Kaduku,

Imagine how good it's going to look on Blu-ray!

I have never seen Blu-Ray in action. I'm already impressed with watching regular dvd on the 006. I can only imagine how great Blu-Ray or HD-DVD looks.

Originally posted by sparkysj
Colortv,

If you just had the new Sony HDV camcorder, and no editing equipment, I guess you would make tapes and then have to watch them on HDTV just using the camcorder itself? Is that correct?

That's correct. You could either connect the HDV camera to the 006 via Firewire or component video.

Originally posted by kaduku
I have never seen Blu-Ray in action. I'm already impressed with watching regular dvd on the 006. I can only imagine how great Blu-Ray or HD-DVD looks.

If you get the chance to see a D-Theater DVHS movie you'll get a very good idea of what high definition DVD's will look like. I doubt there will be much (if any) quality difference. Just the convenience of a small disk, as we have come to know and love SD DVD.

I have been VERY impressed with the PQ on 1080i HBO-HD on Comcast. I watched all three Matrix films looking for problems and didn't see any. I was specifically looking for compression artifacts, motion problems, dithering, etc. Comcast is doing an excellent job of passing HBO-HD down the pipe, at least in my area. So I suspect that if you are able to get a decent feed of HBO-HD, you'll get a good idea of what movies will look like on high definition DVD.

Originally posted by colortv
If you get the chance to see a D-Theater DVHS movie you'll get a very good idea of what high definition DVD's will look like. I doubt there will be much (if any) quality difference. Just the convenience of a small disk, as we have come to know and love SD DVD.

I have been VERY impressed with the PQ on 1080i HBO-HD on Comcast. I watched all three Matrix films looking for problems and didn't see any. I was specifically looking for compression artifacts, motion problems, dithering, etc. Comcast is doing an excellent job of passing HBO-HD down the pipe, at least in my area. So I suspect that if you are able to get a decent feed of HBO-HD, you'll get a good idea of what movies will look like on high definition DVD.

Colortv,
I have seen the Matrix movies on D* HBO-HD, they do look great, but I've heard that Comcast is much less compressed and looks much better. I have read somewhere that D-VHS and Superbit DVDs looked the same. I have been thinking about getting a JVC D-VHS machine, so I can record some HD stuff. Since you own a JVC D-VHS, what do you think of this comparisan with the Superbit DVD.

To colortv or anyone else with a DVHS unit and the 006. Do we use a 4-pin or a 6-pin firewire cable to connect these two boxes? (I can't tell from the picture of the back of the Sony in the manual.)

BTW, I'm assuming that the iLink port on the Sony is for Input #2... correct?

Thanks!

Hey guys,

Just got my new website up and running. I've tried to include:

DOWNLOADS: Qualia 006 brochure, owner's manual, and dimensions...
PICTURES: Screenshots, set photos, and colortv's famous NBC Peacock movie...
LINKS TO: Qualia US website, this thread, my initial review and settings, D-VHS movies, and Sony Superbit page...

I hope this is of help to anyone considering this set!

http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/Menu11.html

6 HOURS....................................................... ........:D :D :D :D :D

5 HOURS....................................................... ...........:D :D :D :D :D

Sony is going to come and check out my 006, to see what's up with the vertical lines.

rcohen

Sounds something like vertical banding that can be adjusted out with service menu adjustments.

Be a good idea to write down which service menu item they're in when they make their adjustments.

what ever happened to the guy with the bad qualia? i might have missed some pages since i've haven't had time to keep up with thread as diligently as i would have liked.

Originally posted by kaduku
Watched "The Chronicles of Riddick" on dvd. Whoever said it was right, great transfer.

That was me. It does look good.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by brt3
Hey guys,
I hope this is of help to anyone considering this set!

http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/Menu11.html
I'm sure it will.
Nice job brt !:)

Originally posted by slocko
what ever happened to the guy with the bad qualia? i might have missed some pages since i've haven't had time to keep up with thread as diligently as i would have liked.
That be Tulsa.
You haven't missed anything as we have not received any updates.

Originally posted by JimP
rcohen

Sounds something like vertical banding that can be adjusted out with service menu adjustments.

Be a good idea to write down which service menu item they're in when they make their adjustments.
The tech said that there isn't a service menu adjustment for vertical lines on the 006. They've already been out to my house, and they're coming back on Tuesday with some replacement parts, to try and narrow down the problem.

It isn't solved yet, but Sony's support has been outstanding. Very responsive and polite. I presume that the Qualia premium price includes premium support.

The original "white glove" delivery was also outstanding. That's the first time I've ever had delivery people volunteer to take their shoes off, so they wouldn't get any dirt on my carpet. The service tech did that, too.

With this kind of service, it makes me appreciate Sony more than I would have if nothing had gone wrong.

I'm a bit concerned, though, that if they replace major components that the calibration will be off. Hopefully, the original calibration will still be accurate, or else they will recalibrate it for me.

Originally posted by Dilbert1
That was me. It does look good.

Dilbert1
On that note, we watched the Superbit version of Black Hawk Down last night. The DTS sound track is just superb.

With a good sound system set up in your home theater, you actually feel like you’re in the helicopters.

Is there a Netflix-like service that does Superbit?

Add me to the owner list.................................:D

Casey is at bat! How about some pictures you lucky man?

Originally posted by casey
Add me to the owner list.................................:D

-1 HOUR........................................................ .......:D :D :D:D :D

congrats, casey, you can put your jaw back in place now.....................!!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I'm sure it will.
Nice job brt !:)

I second that motion!!!:D

So, what's playing at the Penton-Man Cinema-plex tonight?

WOW LG's set coming in it 50% less then Sony's MSRP on the 006, is amazing! At that price point LCoS domination is certain. Hope the JVc come in at a similar price. Wonder what the 62" will price at?

http://www.productwanted.com/index.html/page/site-DetailPage/overview/yes/model_no/71SL1D

LG's plan to take the company upscale is really paying off. Their plan to become the leader next generation HDTV sets seems to be taking off. I propose we change the nomenclature for LCoS tecnology to LCS for short. It will be easier when people go into the showrooms to buy the new Sony, JVC and LG sets, to let the salesmen know what they want. It is catchy too.

How about shots of films we "know and love" so that the rest of us can dream?! (Anything, really, will do!)

Originally posted by rcohen
Is there a Netflix-like service that does Superbit?

rcohen,

Blockbuster's online, Netflix-like service has tons of Superbit titles. I am thinking about opening an account for these titles alone.

Damon

Originally posted by sycore

If passing on vital information is going to piss you sheep off, you better buckle down. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Isn’t it a pity when some poor soul gets craped on all day long ?

I mean he gets craped on by his boss at work.
He gets craped on by his direct supervisor.
He even gets craped on by the teenage kid in the mail room for letting his box get too full.

Then he comes home and the 5 year old kid down the hall leaves bubble gum on his floor mat so he tracks it into his apartment – EVERY day.

Then when he gets into his apartment, he finds the dog craps on the rug – EVERY day – because the dog is never walked.

And the ONLY power in the world that this poor guy has…. is to use his keyboard to exhibit anti-social behavior in a feeble attempt to take control of his life.

A truly desperate individual.

The last time we had a problem child like this on another thread I frequented, the moderator had to intervene and delete the poor guy’s posts. I always wondered what happened to him afterwards.
:D

Originally posted by casey
Add me to the owner list.................................:D
Congrats casey !
It looks like you can finally make use of that beautiful stand.

Let's see how she looks like in that enclave that you have.

Originally posted by sparkysj
So, what's playing at the Penton-Man Cinema-plex tonight?
That probably be the Superbit version of "Legends of the Fall". Apparently it won the Academy Award for Best Cinematography in 1994 - which should look fab on our Qualia 006's. :)

Originally posted by DANewsome
rcohen,

Blockbuster's online, Netflix-like service has tons of Superbit titles. I am thinking about opening an account for these titles alone.

Damon

DANewsome,

Do you or does anyone know if Blockbusters rent out VHS-D movies? I might be inclined to buy a D-VCR player/recorder like the one colortv has, if they do. Since I have D*, no way to record movies from the STB.

OK, if we ever get that way. :D

Originally posted by sparkysj
If you ever get to Tennessee, stop on by.:D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
That probably be the Superbit version of "Legends of the Fall". Apparently it won the Academy Award for Best Cinematography in 1994 - which should look fab on our Qualia 006's. :)

Great Montana landscape, 006 should really shine!

Originally posted by 3deye
To colortv or anyone else with a DVHS unit and the 006. Do we use a 4-pin or a 6-pin firewire cable to connect these two boxes? (I can't tell from the picture of the back of the Sony in the manual.)

BTW, I'm assuming that the iLink port on the Sony is for Input #2... correct?

Thanks!

Yes, the iLink ports on the 006 are 4 pin. iLink devices show up on their own menu, completely separate from the other inputs on the 006. So not releated to 006 input 2, etc. When an iLink device is connected to the 006 there are transport controls available (play, ffd, etc). But I prefer to connet the DVHS machine via component rather than Firewire/iLink because you can't see the on-screen-display of the VCR through the Firewire connection, but you can see it through component. There are times you need to see the DVHS machine's menus and you can't see them via iLink.

Originally posted by sparkysj
DANewsome,

Do you or does anyone know if Blockbusters rent out VHS-D movies? I might be inclined to buy a D-VCR player/recorder like the one colortv has, if they do. Since I have D*, no way to record movies from the STB.

I don't think there is a big enough D-Theater rental market so not likely any places that rent the films. Perhaps an online source such as Netflix has or will offer them.

Originally posted by kaduku
Colortv,
I have seen the Matrix movies on D* HBO-HD, they do look great, but I've heard that Comcast is much less compressed and looks much better. I have read somewhere that D-VHS and Superbit DVDs looked the same. I have been thinking about getting a JVC D-VHS machine, so I can record some HD stuff. Since you own a JVC D-VHS, what do you think of this comparisan with the Superbit DVD.

Superbit is 480 not 1080i - it's still an SD DVD, although a better quality one. Standard definition DVD's simply can't compare to high definition, whether 720 or 1080. I've made the comparison and there is none. D-VHS is way better and high def DVD's will be too.

I continue to be very pleasantly surprised with Comcast HD. Much better than expected.

Originally posted by colortv
Superbit is 480 not 1080i - it's still an SD DVD, although a better quality one. Standard definition DVD's simply can't compare to high definition, whether 720 or 1080. I've made the comparison and there is none. D-VHS is way better and high def DVD's will be too.

Boy color, you keep trying to make my wallet thinner.:)

Colortv,

Kaduku has D* just like I do. I know you went thru this with jb007, but without an ilink on your stb you can't record movies, I don't think. Could you use component to record movies off the stb?

Here is the delivery truck.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Boy color, you keep trying to make my wallet thinner.:)

Just wait 'till he gets that new Sony HD camcorder!!

Here it is set in place. :)

Here it is with the room darker.

You can see the Qualia in direct line of sight from the living room and dining room.

Originally posted by casey
You can see the Qualia in direct line of sight from the living room and dining room.

Looks nice Casey. Enjoy.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by casey
Here it is set in place. :)
Casey, wow !!!!!
It fits in the enclave perfectly !

Good for you.

Originally posted by casey
Here is the delivery truck.
Snow....but apparently no snowstorm like with your Toshiba delivery.:)

Originally posted by casey
Add me to the owner list.................................:D

Casey,
It feels great everytime someone takes delivery of their 006. Now it's Motormouth's turn (hopefully soon, I think he's losing it a little). Anyway looks great in your living room, can't wait for your review :D

Originally posted by colortv
Yes, the iLink ports on the 006 are 4 pin. iLink devices show up on their own menu, completely separate from the other inputs on the 006. So not releated to 006 input 2, etc. When an iLink device is connected to the 006 there are transport controls available (play, ffd, etc). But I prefer to connet the DVHS machine via component rather than Firewire/iLink because you can't see the on-screen-display of the VCR through the Firewire connection, but you can see it through component. There are times you need to see the DVHS machine's menus and you can't see them via iLink.
In regards to those pesky connections, if all goes according to plan (which needless to say....never does),

I plan on running a i.Link from my stb to a Sony Blu-ray and hooking the Blu-ray up to the 006 via HDMI to video 7.

Kuduku-
I’m soooo glad I popped for that Optex cover. It is AMAZING how much dust accumulates on the protective screen of the 006 without it in place.

Originally posted by colortv
Yes, the iLink ports on the 006 are 4 pin. iLink devices show up on their own menu, completely separate from the other inputs on the 006. So not releated to 006 input 2, etc. When an iLink device is connected to the 006 there are transport controls available (play, ffd, etc). But I prefer to connet the DVHS machine via component rather than Firewire/iLink because you can't see the on-screen-display of the VCR through the Firewire connection, but you can see it through component. There are times you need to see the DVHS machine's menus and you can't see them via iLink.

Ah ha... I remember reading that issue about the menus only showing up via component from one of your other informative posts. Thanks so much. (I'll use both outputs for the heck of it.) One last thing... I'm assuming that the Moto6412 has a 4-pin 1394 jack on it as well... correct? So I just need two 4-pin-to-4-pin cables to go from the 6412>40k and from the 40k>006.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Kuduku-
I’m soooo glad I popped for that Optex cover. It is AMAZING how much dust accumulates on the protective screen of the 006 without it in place.

PM,

Thanks for the website compliments. ANY feedback or suggestions would be welcome...

As to the Optex cover -- have you posted photos of yours yet? I've been on the road and may have missed it...

Originally posted by 3deye
I'm assuming that the Moto6412 has a 4-pin 1394 jack on it as well... correct? So I just need two 4-pin-to-4-pin cables to go from the 6412>40k and from the 40k>006.

3deye,

About your post; I bought the following cables for my 006; one cable for the Comcast 6412 to Qualia connection, and another for the JVC 40K to Qualia hookup. Of course, without pulling the set out (again) I can't remember which is which -- typical 40-something brain-fade...

Sony VMCIL4615 1.5m i.LINK 4 Pin6 Pin Digital Video Cable
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000063W8X/103-3848783-0864647?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance

Sony VMCIL4415 1.5m i.LINK 4Pin to 4Pin Digital Video Cable
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000063W8W/103-3848783-0864647?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance

And another object any Qualian must lust after...
Sony HDRFX1 HDV High Definition Camcorder w/12x Optical Zoom
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00068JKR0/qid=1109467153/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-3848783-0864647?v=glance&s=photo

Originally posted by sparkysj
DANewsome,

Do you or does anyone know if Blockbusters rent out VHS-D movies? I might be inclined to buy a D-VCR player/recorder like the one colortv has, if they do. Since I have D*, no way to record movies from the STB.

For D-VHS and non-Region 1 rentals try www.nicheflix.com

HEY! Don't I get a turn too? :D


Originally posted by kaduku
Casey,
It feels great everytime someone takes delivery of their 006. Now it's Motormouth's turn (hopefully soon, I think he's losing it a little). Anyway looks great in your living room, can't wait for your review :D

Originally posted by sparkysj
Colortv,

Kaduku has D* just like I do. I know you went thru this with jb007, but without an ilink on your stb you can't record movies, I don't think. Could you use component to record movies off the stb?

I don't think you can record HD on a DVHS machine any other way than Firewire. You are recording an mpeg 2 data stream on DVHS.

I've read about someplace that converts a DirecTV box to have Firewire ports. I don't know the cost or if it's even worth it.

Originally posted by Penton-Man


And the ONLY power in the world that this poor guy has…. is to use his keyboard to exhibit anti-social behavior in a feeble attempt to take control of his life.

A truly desperate individual.



Oh no, I am starting to hear a little 006 buyer's remorse setting in?
I think Ill get 2 sets, the 71" one for here and the 62" for the condo on the beach.

Originally posted by colortv
I don't think you can record HD on a DVHS machine any other way than Firewire. You are recording an mpeg 2 data stream on DVHS.

I've read about someplace that converts a DirecTV box to have Firewire ports. I don't know the cost or if it's even worth it.

Thanks colortv,

I just looked at brt3's link above on the new Sony Camcorder on Amazon, and prices look like they are starting to really come down. Your idea of converting the HDV image to Apple editing then back to the JVC is very intriging! Looks like prices may continue to drop off the $3500.00 mark.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Kuduku-
I’m soooo glad I popped for that Optex cover. It is AMAZING how much dust accumulates on the protective screen of the 006 without it in place.

PM,
Yes, I'm glad too. I guess it's that static cling that attracts these dust particles. I'm with brt3, how did you do your cover? Pic pls!

Originally posted by mpsan
HEY! Don't I get a turn too? :D

Aren't you still wanting to see one before pulling the trigger? If your in the SF area, PM me! :D

Originally posted by 3deye
Ah ha... I remember reading that issue about the menus only showing up via component from one of your other informative posts. Thanks so much. (I'll use both outputs for the heck of it.) One last thing... I'm assuming that the Moto6412 has a 4-pin 1394 jack on it as well... correct? So I just need two 4-pin-to-4-pin cables to go from the 6412>40k and from the 40k>006.

The 6412 has a 6 pin Firewire port, so you will need a 6pin>4pin cable to connect it to the 40K. And a 4pin>4 pin cable to connect the 40K to the 006.

Hey Penton and others bothered by sycore's posts...

I suggest we just ignore them and do not respond. That mentality just loves to work you and he obviously relishes the annoyance he's causing. He doesn't understand the concept of "threads" which we savvy folks know are forums to cover specific topics. This thread we are looking at right now is quite clearly titled "QUALIA 006 Owner's Thread" specifically for the purpose of sharing all things related to the Qualia 006. Other AVS Forum threads may be perfect for sycore to share his thoughts. He seems to have some things he wants to say, but the poor fellow just doesn't undertand the concept of threads.

So again, I respectfully suggest a "zero response policy" to sycore's irrelevant posts - no doubt there will be more in the future, whether from him or someone else.

Originally posted by colortv
Hey Penton and others bothered by sycore's posts...

I suggest we just ignore them and do not respond. That mentality just loves to work you and he obviously relishes the annoyance he's causing. He doesn't understand the concept of "threads" which we savvy folks know are forums to cover specific topics. This thread we are looking at right now is quite clearly titled "QUALIA 006 Owner's Thread" specifically for the purpose of sharing all things related to the Qualia 006. Other AVS Forum threads may be perfect for sycore to share his thoughts. He seems to have some things he wants to say, but the poor fellow just doesn't undertand the concept of threads.

So again, I respectfully suggest a "zero response policy" to sycore's irrelevant posts - not doubt there will be more in the future, whether from him or someone else.

Sorry, but I have to say this at least. I was just about to respond to the @%*%#, then I read your post, and since you are one of the most respected persons on this thread, I will obey :D

Originally posted by Zechman
I stand by my first statement, and I think you mis-read me on the second.

In the first case, I think that given enough time, Sony will bring SXRD into the XBR line and we'll see what we now call the Qualia 006 re-released (maybe even replaced) by the KDS-70XBR100 as originally announced at CEDIA. Along with that will be a dramatic lowering of the price once supply catches up with demand, in this case maybe even to the original $9999. At the same time, if comparable sets come available at a close, but lower MSRP (like the JVC at $9500), then that will pressure Sony to drop their prices as well, assuming they have supply to meet demand. So like I said, I think the price argument is a red herring because I don't expect that the price difference then will be all that much.

Besides, using your numbers and assuming full MSRP on the Qualia (best-case scenario for the JVC), it's still not "half the price of the Qualia", so how can you say you disagree with that statement? ;)

In the second case, I do know that the newer machines will have better scalers than the current ones--this is what I meant by "but the new ones will have different electronics"--that I'm not holding the current scaler against the newer sets. In fact, we'll probably know more about the new scalers when the 2nd gen 720p sets become available in March/April. We'll also get our first taste of whether JVC will deliver on time or not. But until they are available, it's still an unknown.

And until it ceases to be an unknown, I see nothing truly compelling there worth waiting for that will clearly be so much better (or cheaper) than the Qualia 006 that I'll later regret purchasing an 006 now.

I think the core of our disagreement here is that you are far more optimistic about JVC and LG than I am.

--Dwayne

Yes, I believe I am more optimistic about the LG and JVC, because I have seen what they could do. I appreciate your intellectual analysis and understand the basis of your argument, but I DON'T believe price is a red herring. The new LG's LCS sets are set to street at somewhere around 50-60% less the the 006 MSRP. There is a link to it a few posts back. Now, even though I have seen a demo of the Spatialight chips and think it could surpass the 006 in PQ, you are right, no one knows how the final product will perform, but at those street prices even if it is relatively close in term of PQ, it should be brought to the attention of people reading this thread so they may make a well informed decision.
It sounds like you already have your mind made up on a 006, and if you have, congratulations it is a fantastic TV. I, however, can not justify spending double the price for a comparable product, when 2 promising product are just on the horizon. I know it has been a long haul for many of us, but in 6-9 months you will have your answer and see for yourself. The 006 will still be an option and by then and there will hopefully be lower prices and smaller sizes. Yes, you miss out on glorious HDTV viewing during that time, but admittedly HDTV content is still fairly light. Think of it this way, this is the TV you probably will be watching for the next 8-10 years, don't you want to get it right?

Anyone watching the Extreme fighting on HDNet. Looks great on the 006, makes me feel all hyped up!!!!! :D

Originally posted by Dilbert1
Looks nice Casey. Enjoy.

Dilbert1
Caseys screenshots should put to rest any ??s about how to the 006 performs in different light situations. They are great shots in very light and dark conditions. The shot from the other room is amazing!!. I am starting to really want one of these boogers. Please keep more screenshots coming if you all find the time. I have yet to see one in person,so the screenshots and all the info in this thread is all us non- owners have.