Lol!

Just watched POTC Dead Man's Chest. Lots of couch shaking effects. I liked the movie as well, but I am still 8 years old at heart.
I just watched Dead Man's Chest. My favorite part for sound was when Davy Jones was playing the organ. Does anyone know what that low frequency note was?

watched Pulse last night and the server room scene had lots of low end and plenty through out the movie as well.

watched Pulse last night and the server room scene had lots of low end and plenty through out the movie as well.

I watched Pulse last night and that server room scene was long and intense. I can see it damaging lesser subwoofers because of the sustained bass.

I watched Pulse last night and that server room scene was long and intense. I can see it damaging lesser subwoofers because of the sustained bass.


i was going to post about pulse - maybe the most bass we have ever experienced in our room with that scene.

A little off subject, but the best bass I ever heard was from Tymphony and Bass Drum in a huge hall in Pittsburgh, Pa. It was called The Syria Shrine. I was there for a performance of The King and I starring Yule Brenner years ago. They had a lot of Shriner's Circuses there over they years and really big audience events. Indoor and held about 8000 I would guess. Even at a symphony seating 2 to 3 thousand or a very large hall with pipe organ it was nothing compared to that. It takes a HUGE space to give really nice bass without encountering the nullification caused by standing waves. A home theater even with bass traps cannot do it. Even 25 hertz is a wavelenght of over 45 feet. Cancellation and standing waves are inherent in a "small room" really killing the bass assuming you can even produce it. I am not doubting the room vibration effects, just the accuracy of the audible and physical feelings of low frequency in a home room. I can pretty well reproduce the in home feeling of a thunderclap with my 18 inch JBL so it is not that I have not heard or felt the impact from movies. It is just that it is tough to fight the laws of physics.

i was going to post about pulse - maybe the most bass we have ever experienced in our room with that scene.

Ditto. I was experiencing some port noise and had to cut the line level output by 5db during that scene. Oddly enough, the over all volume level of the sound track is rather low. I think they could have done a better job with equalization on this DVD.

Ian

If you are getting port noise usually that would indicate that the diameter of the port is too small to support the volume of air you are pumping due to cone excursion. When the port is noisy, it usually is due to the speed of the air in the port is exceeding the speed of sound. Assuming the port diameter has been properly designed to match the driver capability you are overdriving the speaker. Your low frequency boost by whatever equilization you may also be using is too great or the cutoff freqency in the crossover is too low. If the speaker was not designed properly a bigger diameter port with more duct length to keep the box frequency the same will fix it. My 18 inch JBL driver seems happy with an 8 inch port diameter. Still it will flutter your pant legs at a distance of about 6 ft when cranking out volume.

If you are getting port noise usually that would indicate that the diameter of the port is too small to support the volume of air you are pumping due to cone excursion. When the port is noisy, it usually is due to the speed of the air in the port is exceeding the speed of sound. Assuming the port diameter has been properly designed to match the driver capability you are overdriving the speaker. Your low frequency boost by whatever equilization you may also be using is too great or the cutoff freqency in the crossover is too low. If the speaker was not designed properly a bigger diameter port with more duct length to keep the box frequency the same will fix it. My 18 inch JBL driver seems happy with an 8 inch port diameter. Still it will flutter your pant legs at a distance of about 6 ft when cranking out volume.

I'm familiar with this kind of problem, and I will try experimenting with the crossover. I believe the noise may have to do with bypassing the subs crossover and relying on the receiver's which I set to 80HZ. This enables the high pass filter which on some subs like my Velodyne operates on only a 6db slope. By initiating my subs low pass crossover I will get a steeper 12db roll off which should provide cleaner output. I'm not using any equalization on my HTR when listening to DD or DTS. However with Pulse, the over all volume was about 4 db low so that the master volume had to be raised effecting the line level output on a bass track which was already running relatively hot. The sub didn't exhibit any audible port noise on WOTW and rarely has a problem handling DVD's even with the most dynamic audio tracks. Hopefully these adjustments will reduce the chance of having any future problems. Thanks for your input.

Ian

Are you sure it was port noise and not distortion, or something in your room vibrating?

Yeah, enabling the sub's crossover and using it to blend with the main speakers may help a bit - especially since it will mean the sub is playing less frequencies. I use a 80Hz crossover on my receiver, but use the one on my VTF-3 Mk2 @ 80Hz as well. I was able to blend the sub with the speakers great, and use bass traps and a BFD to eq the sub flat.

Are you sure it was port noise and not distortion, or something in your room vibrating?

Believe me I know when I'm getting post noise. The sub sounded like it had indigestion and was beginning to fart! :D


I use a 80Hz crossover on my receiver, but use the one on my VTF-3 Mk2 @ 80Hz as well. I was able to blend the sub with the speakers great, and use bass traps and a BFD to eq the sub flat.

Unlike the Velo subs, HSU uses a steeper 24db slope which is better suited to attain a clean linear response. Since the adjustment the bass sounds tighter and cleaner, even after I put it through its paces with tracks from WOTW, Sky Captain and Lost In Space.

Ian

Actually it's more between 23-25hz. The reason it's so cool[one of my favs as well] because it's subtle enough to just gently shake the couch with no added sound effects, it's almost silent, and you and Bruce reacts almost the same way at the same time like WTF?

Your couch literally shakes from that? I assume you have the house to yourself when you do this, right? I'm surprised that several people mentioned couch-shaking bass: doesn't everything else shake as well? And how do you not go deaf from the volume(I assume that the other channels are loud enough so as not to be overshadowed by bass)

It all depends on how you calibrate. Yes, everything reacts to the sound pressure wave. People reference the couch shake because they can feel it. You are also hit by the wave, but the couch takes more space than your body (hopefully) and so it reacts more. Because you are sitting on it, you feel it. This is not deafening levels. If you are not participating in the movie, it can be annoying because other items in the house will vibrate. If you are in another room, you can hear the other items more than you hear the movie. But the first time you experience a good, deep, powerful sound wave that shakes the house, the more you will want.

If you have a sub that will do this, try it.

Your couch literally shakes from that? I assume you have the house to yourself when you do this, right? I'm surprised that several people mentioned couch-shaking bass: doesn't everything else shake as well? And how do you not go deaf from the volume(I assume that the other channels are loud enough so as not to be overshadowed by bass)You can get that nice rumble that feels like a small tremor at very low volumes with out shaking the whole house. You don't need high volumes to experience this kind of tactile feeling with a good sub. Until getting a good sub I though you had to crank the volume too, to experience this.

I find myself in agreement with Randy once again. You can get a nice little shaking at even some rather low volumes. Of course the more you turn it up the more of a shaking you can get. Any seen with some nice low rumbles say anything below 30hz or so can still shake up a room at pretty low levels. Much of this depends on your sub of course and what it is capable of as well as how "hot" you have your sub calibrated to. I can notice a little bit of bass even when listening to levels like -30db's. Now that same scene at -10db's will have your pants flapping and the couch giving you a ride around the room.

Since this is thread that is supposed to be about movies, I finally saw some of polar express this moring--it is Christmas afterall, I had my sister bring it over as I knew my Mom bought it for my niece and nephews last year. I had heard that the first scene when the train arrives is supposed to have some real nice rumble to it. I didn't even put it in, I came in from outside and they had it playing at -25db's and I caught it just in time for the first train arrival scene. Not only is there a whole lot of real deep bass, there is some very good use of the surrounds as well. You actually feel like you are present as the train pulls up. Now I could feel the couch shaking just a bit at even this low of a level. This helped in the perception of the real deep bass, beyond what you are hearing. You really don't hear real deep bass much--even at higher levels. This is especially true at low levels. A good sub, does exactly what you want it to do--get you more involved into the movie experience. Bass can do that even at low levels. I am now looking forward to watching after the kiddies leave tomorrow at about -10db's or so. It should be real fun.

You also have to take the construction of the room into account. Raised floors will transmit, and in some cases amplify, the motion from the sub. A concrete slab won't do this. You will also get more vibration from furnishings when the sound is at or near an items resonance frequency.

I find myself in agreement with Randy once again. You can get a nice little shaking at even some rather low volumes. Of course the more you turn it up the more of a shaking you can get. Any seen with some nice low rumbles say anything below 30hz or so can still shake up a room at pretty low levels. Much of this depends on your sub of course and what it is capable of as well as how "hot" you have your sub calibrated to. I can notice a little bit of bass even when listening to levels like -30db's. Now that same scene at -10db's will have your pants flapping and the couch giving you a ride around the room.

Since this is thread that is supposed to be about movies, I finally saw some of polar express this moring--it is Christmas afterall, I had my sister bring it over as I knew my Mom bought it for my niece and nephews last year. I had heard that the first scene when the train arrives is supposed to have some real nice rumble to it. I didn't even put it in, I came in from outside and they had it playing at -25db's and I caught it just in time for the first train arrival scene. Not only is there a whole lot of real deep bass, there is some very good use of the surrounds as well. You actually feel like you are present as the train pulls up. Now I could feel the couch shaking just a bit at even this low of a level. This helped in the perception of the real deep bass, beyond what you are hearing. You really don't hear real deep bass much--even at higher levels. This is especially true at low levels. A good sub, does exactly what you want it to do--get you more involved into the movie experience. Bass can do that even at low levels. I am now looking forward to watching after the kiddies leave tomorrow at about -10db's or so. It should be real fun.

I had that playing at -15 the other night. The dialogue is a bit low, but wow, when the trained pulled in, it set off my glass break detectors in my utility room.

2 rooms away and about 75 feet way from where my PC-Ultra is located, on a concrete floored family room.
1st movie to do that, even with War of the Worlds....however this was the HD-DVD version playing in DDplus.

Here's an old one to add to the "House crumbling bass" DVD's...

I've just bought my first R1 DVD from Amazon, and it's blown me away..
It's the widescreen DTS version Of "Virus".

The movie was released in 1999 and I've had an R4 version for a few years, but it originally came out in 4:3 version in DD. and the widescreen version was never available in Australia..

It has some very powerful bone jarring bass, with some good extensions and very loud explosions...
When the Computer voice speaks, it just about rocked the room..

That in it self is worth the purchase, but the real surprise was the surround sound..
It would have to be the best surround sound I have ever heard...I had no idea that my dipoles could sound so strong.

If you haven't seen the movie, it's well worth watching..

Oh, and the picture quality is nothing short of HD...
A bit of a Horror/Sci-fi movie, but not too much over the top..

The earthquake scene (although short) in Phenomenon is a good test.
Another odd one was the fight scene outside the saloon in Maverick.

I know it doesn't have an LFE track but has anyone felt anything on `Deer hunter's' `Nam scenes with all the Apache flyovers (near ref. level at 15 Hz in 2 ch. stereo waterfalls)??

I think I didn't note King Kong, DOMINO, The Matrixe(s).... but they're action type.

http://img.tesco.com/pi/entertainment/DVD/LB/486014_DV_L_B.jpg http://img.tesco.com/pi/entertainment/DVD/LF/486014_DV_L_F.jpg

Chapter 8 the big one lasting a whooping earth shattering 8 minutes is enough to loosen the ceiling and joists above @120dbc SPL! :eek: :D

I think anyone who thinks The Lion King, Aladdin and some others on that list have house-crumbling bass has their sub turned on way too loud.

I suggest Mars Attacks.

I think anyone who thinks The Lion King, Aladdin and some others on that list have house-crumbling bass has their sub turned on way too loud.

What! There are people on this forum who play their sub too loud? Its so hard to belive! :p


Ian :D

War or the Worlds - Chap. 5, where the first alien ship comes up from under the ground. (SVS PB12-NSD/2)

Pete

War or the Worlds - Chap. 5, where the first alien ship comes up from under the ground. (SVS PB12-NSD/2)

Pete
bout time someone mentioned WOTW! :p ;) :p

lol

Everyone always talks about the "Darla scene" in Finding Nemo, but that part is only about 2 seconds long. The real bass in that movie is in Chapter 10 when that old submarine is falling off the edge. My couch vibrates like an old car from that scene.

Play Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith at the lava chapter where Anikan and Obi Wan are fighting each other. So far I've yet to find a moive that has more bass than that.

Lord of the Rings.....Return of the King

Denon....put that in and Go to the scene where Froto is going into Mount Doom...

Then you'll have a new winner....that will give your insanse subwoofer set up a workout....it will also test out how well your house is put together :D

Lord of the Rings.....Return of the King

Denon....put that in and Go to the scene where Froto is going into Mount Doom...

Then you'll have a new winner....that will give your insanse subwoofer set up a workout....it will also test out how well your house is put together :D

I'll give it a shot but if it's anything like the Belrog, Fire Dragon scene in the Fellowship of The Ring, the lava chapter in Star Wars has MUCH more bass. Regardless, I'll give both that and scene 5 in WOTW a shot tomorrow and report back.

Everyone always talks about the "Darla scene" in Finding Nemo, but that part is only about 2 seconds long. The real bass in that movie is in Chapter 10 when that old submarine is falling off the edge. My couch vibrates like an old car from that scene.

The inside the Whale scene ( i forget what chapter, but I think thats what they call it)
has some really nice bass when the whale blows etc.

Play Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith at the lava chapter where Anikan and Obi Wan are fighting each other. So far I've yet to find a moive that has more bass than that.

Many consider Revenge of the Sith to be very disappointing in terms of LFE. Especially compared to all of the other Star wars flicks.

War of the Worlds
The Haunting
Master and Commander
Finding Nemo
Any Lord of the Rings

All of these have great True Deep LFE.

War of the Worlds remains king for me....

Add `The Guardian'...

Add `The Guardian'...

done :)

don't know if anyone has listed this one but, "From Hell", the jack the ripper story featuring Johnny Depp and Heather Graham is a VERY bottom heavy movie. lots of great sound and stringed instruments. great movie too IMO. i usually select the DTS encode track.

give it a whirl.

Hi everyone, new to the forum. I'm always on the lookout for great lfe tracks so this thread is great. I had the movie Day After Tomorrow which I hadn't watched in a few years and popped it in. Low and behold a DTS track was on the disk and had some very healthy bottom throughout the various weather scenes. Might be worth a look for DTS fans.

got an advance copy of "flags of our fathers" yesterday- one of the benefits of living so close to hollywod. wait. maybe the ONLY benefit to living so close to hollywood- especially since most of the stuff they churn out these days is garbage.

anyway- WOW- i only watched about 30 minutes or so of it because i was exhausted. but MAN, clint eastwood and company REALLY went to town on mixing this one. for that 30 minutes i saw at least. the movie started to look like it was toning down abit after the battle sequence and getting a more political /dialogue slant. will rewatch from the beginning tonight and see how it turns out. if the rest of the movie is as intense as what i saw i'm stoked. but even that battle sequence alone was worth hearing on my system.

This movie is nice looking and the special effects (CG) are quite good but the Zeppelin Attack scene produced the most house shaking bass I have heard. Definitely should be on the sub demo list. I would love to see the waterfall chart of the Zeppelin blowing up.

This movie is nice looking and the special effects (CG) are quite good but the Zeppelin Attack scene produced the most house shaking bass I have heard. Definitely should be on the sub demo list. I would love to see the waterfall chart of the Zeppelin blowing up.

Check out the waterfall thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9658801&&#post9658801) , posted it a couple of days ago.

You want crumbling, rent Saw III

This movie is nice looking and the special effects (CG) are quite good but the Zeppelin Attack scene produced the most house shaking bass I have heard. Definitely should be on the sub demo list. I would love to see the waterfall chart of the Zeppelin blowing up.

what sub demo list?

what sub demo list? The one in all the SVS user manuals. We all know RMK gets all the documentation from SVS.

nm

The one in all the SVS user manuals. We all know RMK gets all the documentation from SVS.

What documentation from SVS?

nm
nm what?

for a sec I thought I was in the waterfall thread and covered my tail..(yawn) goodnight!

DR,

Are those JVC 7500s in your pics??I have the same speakers and your the first person I've found that has them! :D

Just found the stats...almost identical to the 7500s! :o

bad thing is the 7500s are 2 channel stereo towers...no voice matched centers or surr.s. :mad:

There are a number of bass/DVD threads here on AVS. Someone, forgot who, has compiled a list of them all in a single post.

There are a number of bass/DVD threads here on AVS. Someone, forgot who, has compiled a list of them all in a single post.that would be the DR. who just posted. ;)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8971042#post8971042

Aha! And it's right in his signature! :D

There are a number of bass/DVD threads here on AVS. Someone, forgot who, has compiled a list of them all in a single post.

yah that would would be me :eek: nice to know all that work goes unnoticed

for a sec I thought I was in the waterfall thread and covered my tail..(yawn) goodnight!

DR,

Are those JVC 7500s in your pics??I have the same speakers and your the first person I've found that has them! :D

Just found the stats...almost identical to the 7500s! :o

bad thing is the 7500s are 2 channel stereo towers...no voice matched centers or surr.s. :mad:


huh what stats? don't know what model they are. Have had them for a long time.

I still like what I get from my sound, knowing that sure a timbre matched speakers system would be ideal but I have no funds for that now. Spent it all on my new(old by now) sub.

listed in `your stuff'....JVC SP-45BK


stats might not be the best term for it but I'm sleeptyping!

THey look almost identical to my 7500s except the logo is on the screen with mine...only paid $20 for mine...the former owner had some candle fettish and wax was all over the screens(evicted rentor). I just grabbed a hairdryer and they are as good as new!

I'll probably still replace them when I get my LR HT gear.WAF doesn't include huge black speakers.

I'm using boxy sounding SOny surrounds for a center right now...really throws off the mix with DVDs! :( They are good towers though! :D

sorry for going off topic peeps! :o

Check out the waterfall thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9658801&&#post9658801) , posted it a couple of days ago.

You want crumbling, rent Saw III


Thanks for the link Kweezer. :)

Anything Produced by Jerry Bruckhiemer!

Not sure if it's been mentioned but when they are in the server room in the movie pulse. Holy crap. I don't think I ever grabbed my remote so fast in my life.

Anything Produced by Jerry Bruckhiemer!
Even his TV shows! :cool:

New updates :)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8971042#post8971042

Add "Catch a Fire."
There's a refinery in the movie, and several scenes at the refinery have LOTS of low-Hz bass.

Add "Catch a Fire."
There's a refinery in the movie, and several scenes at the refinery have LOTS of low-Hz bass.

are you talking to me?

I was. But after that I saw that it was already on the list. :D

Open Range
It had some excellent gunshots that made my sub shake the whole floor.

Bumping an old thread.


For NEW updates visit:

The Master List of DVD, HD-DVD & Blu-ray Movies with BASS Thread...With WaterFalls

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=755493

Bumping an old thread.


For NEW updates visit:

The Master List of DVD, HD-DVD & Blu-ray Movies with BASS Thread...With WaterFalls

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=755493Thanks for the link, DrPainMD. I'd lost track of the subject for a while now and am happy to have the reference source again.

I have to say,watch xman 3 and go to scene number 3 were there in training. That has amazing sound effects and bass. the sound sounds best in dts mode

Although the movie isnt good (well, it is a guilty pleasure of mine) I think the bass in Driven is pretty good.

I guess a newbie kinda question.. but a sincere one. I have followed many speaker/sub threads however am still left with one question unanswered. I was watching a movie tonight ('300', a movie often mentioned on the sub thread) and wondered. "What is the proper sound 'setting' for this movie".. specifically when the bass or the trebles were heard, did my settings duplicate what the Director wanted me to hear. And, if I set my system to be a perfect match for the Sound Engineer of "300", would I have to somehow reset my system to match the desires of the Director of Blackhawk Down, or Ironman, or the Director of Band of Brothers?..... Hopefully I'm expressing my confusion and sincere curiosity about how 'we'.... those of us who enjoy our Home Theatre experience duplicate what the producers of the movies want us to see and hear. I hope this message makes as much sense in the reading as it does in the writing.

Actually it does not..U almost sound like U have a boombox setup with a bass and treble knob.
No offense but u lost me.






I'm surprised this thread is not locked since it IS very similar to the Master thread!

I guess a newbie kinda question.. but a sincere one. I have followed many speaker/sub threads however am still left with one question unanswered. I was watching a movie tonight ('300', a movie often mentioned on the sub thread) and wondered. "What is the proper sound 'setting' for this movie".. specifically when the bass or the trebles were heard, did my settings duplicate what the Director wanted me to hear. And, if I set my system to be a perfect match for the Sound Engineer of "300", would I have to somehow reset my system to match the desires of the Director of Blackhawk Down, or Ironman, or the Director of Band of Brothers?..... Hopefully I'm expressing my confusion and sincere curiosity about how 'we'.... those of us who enjoy our Home Theatre experience duplicate what the producers of the movies want us to see and hear. I hope this message makes as much sense in the reading as it does in the writing.


If you calibrate the system using test tones and equalize it flat then play it at reference levels, you should be pretty good.



Almost nobody here has a flat room response....without serious room treatments for nulls and peaks and proper equalization...

Got it?

I guess a newbie kinda question.. but a sincere one. I have followed many speaker/sub threads however am still left with one question unanswered. I was watching a movie tonight ('300', a movie often mentioned on the sub thread) and wondered. "What is the proper sound 'setting' for this movie".. specifically when the bass or the trebles were heard, did my settings duplicate what the Director wanted me to hear. And, if I set my system to be a perfect match for the Sound Engineer of "300", would I have to somehow reset my system to match the desires of the Director of Blackhawk Down, or Ironman, or the Director of Band of Brothers?..... Hopefully I'm expressing my confusion and sincere curiosity about how 'we'.... those of us who enjoy our Home Theatre experience duplicate what the producers of the movies want us to see and hear. I hope this message makes as much sense in the reading as it does in the writing.Or to try to answer another way, if you get your system right, it will be correct for all discs. They are mastered expecting a flat system response, so if you achieve that, you will always hear what the director/sound engineer intended. Your settings need not change from disc to disc.

He may be asking the setting on his amp for sound,,,like Dolby Pro Logic II or Cinema 6.1, DTS and so on..i'm befuddled.