I've been trying to get a cablecard that actually WORKS in my 42PX. The cableguy has been out with two of them and no dice. When he was installing the second one he mention that the DVR with HDMI connection gives the best signal then second is cablecard. I have a hard time believing that, what could be better than a direct connection? I think he was trying to sell me


I understand your pain. It took TWC 2 days to get my cablecard working. I have no clue as to how and why it is so hard for them to activate a card.

optivity,
I'm with you on this one. I use a cablecard with my Pioneer 5050 and I get a much better picture than my old SA 8300. There is just more depth to the picture with the cablecard. I personally think there is some D/A conversion going on in the SA 8300 even if you use the HDMI connection and passthrough feature of the SA 8300. Do I miss the guide, ppv or on-demand features from TWC??? Nope.Thanks. Now I know that we (2) share our CATV providers 'dirty little secret!'

It makes sense to me the tuner/scalar made by Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. for their 50U series PDPs might decode a digital signal better than the current crop of SA8000/8300HD-DVRs. CableCARD provides the most efficient method to transport a digital signal to your TV over CATV. There are no external devices or wires that can potentially interfere with the delivery of the signal. Provided the TVs internal (sub-pixel controller?) digital tuner/scalar is reasonably efficient... CableCARD has the potential to render the best possible digital signal to your TV with the current CATV standards.

Thanks. Now I know that we (2) share our CATV providers 'dirty little secret!'

It makes sense to me the tuner/scalar made by Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. for their 50U series PDPs might decode a digital signal better than the current crop of SA8000/8300HD-DVRs. CableCARD provides the most efficient method to transport a digital signal to your TV over CATV. There are no external devices or wires that can potentially interfere with the delivery of the signal. Provided the TVs internal (sub-pixel controller?) digital tuner/scalar is reasonably efficient... CableCARD has the potential to render the best possible digital signal to your TV with the current CATV standards.

Thanks a lot guys. I opted for the PD50 even though it did not have a Cable Card because i was unaware that it made a difference in PQ. I thought the only real advantage of having the Cable Card slot was to eliminate another piece of equipment. Oh well my bad and your advantage. I still do love the PQ of my set but it makes me wonder now if it could be even better. Oh well no going back now.

On another subject > My TWC box allows me to Stretch and Zoom HD and even though it will allow me to fill the whole screen on letter boxed feed, it looks like CRAP. Stretch makes everything look fat and Zoom blows everything out of the picture entirely. At this point i just watch the normal feed even though it is letter boxed. I did like the "JUST" mode on the PD50 Tuner. Does anyone know if there is any way to override the STB and be able to utilize the JUST mode using TW's STB? Thanks

I've been trying to get a cablecard that actually WORKS in my 42PX. The cableguy has been out with two of them and no dice. When he was installing the second one he mention that the DVR with HDMI connection gives the best signal then second is cablecard. I have a hard time believing that, what could be better than a direct connection? I think he was trying to sell me

You would think the TV's internal tuner would do a better job than a cable converter box, but this is not the case with my cable system. See my post #2239 on the previous page. There's something about my TWC cable box and two DVRs that make the picture quality even better than using the TV's internal QAM tuner.

Thanks a lot guys. I opted for the PD50 even though it did not have a Cable Card because i was unaware that it made a difference in PQ. I thought the only real advantage of having the Cable Card slot was to eliminate another piece of equipment. Oh well my bad and your advantage. I still do love the PQ of my set but it makes me wonder now if it could be even better. Oh well no going back now.Right now, this is still speculation on my part; just my personal observations and theories... and I'm no rocket scientist. As luck would have it... my requirements were to buy a consumer PDP that supported HD on a 50" display with CableCARD.On another subject > My TWC box allows me to Stretch and Zoom HD and even though it will allow me to fill the whole screen on letter boxed feed, it looks like CRAP. Stretch makes everything look fat and Zoom blows everything out of the picture entirely. At this point i just watch the normal feed even though it is letter boxed. I did like the "JUST" mode on the PD50 Tuner. Does anyone know if there is any way to override the STB and be able to utilize the JUST mode using TW's STB? ThanksYou have to live with the technology as is.... 50Us don't offer aspect control with HD signals. If you place any value in the proper care and maintenance of your new PDP... you know that black bars, tickers & the ever-oppressing station logos are not things to be desired. If you don't like the way the picture fills your screen, sorry you'll just have to watch something else... I call it making a sacrifice for the good of your PDP. It’s not the display's fault everything isn’t broadcast in HDTV. This is the technology we bought into so this is what we have to live with.

After the PDP is broken-in you can use 4:3 aspect control and HD black bars on a limited basis... for no more than 10 - 15% of your total viewing.

I've been using a CableCARD since Saturday and so far my observations are that picture clarity & color renderings are better for all SD/HD content. As you move from one connection type to another (e.g. composite --> component --> HDMI --> CableCARD) there are incremental improvements made to the picture the PDP renders. IMO the internal tuner/scalar/electronics in my $5000 PDP has to be at least a wee bit better than some cheapo cable box designed to resist the shock treatment that most users administer to things they don't own.

I'd like to believe this but the logic fails when you view HDTV OTA. There's no cable box in the loop and the same problems exist. And I didn't see any improvement in the color accuracy or green rainbow effect when moving from the 8000HD components->8300HD components->8300HD HDMI.

All I can say is either my eyes/brain are more discriminating, or you guys are more willing to accept the shortcomings of a $4K-$5k set.

And nothing personal, but I hope perspective buyers aren't fooled into thinking static photo shots tweaked to look good are all you need to evaluate motion picture quality with a variety of program material. Caveat Emptor.

I'd like to believe this but the logic fails when you view HDTV OTA. There's no cable box in the loop and the same problems exist. And I didn't see any improvement in the color accuracy or green rainbow effect when moving from the 8000HD components->8300HD components->8300HD HDMI.

All I can say is either my eyes/brain are more discriminating, or you guys are more willing to accept the shortcomings of a $4K-$5k set.

And nothing personal, but I hope perspective buyers aren't fooled into thinking static photo shots tweaked to look good are all you need to evaluate motion picture quality with a variety of program material. Caveat Emptor.

Whatever shortcomings exist should be weighed in relation to what was paid for the TV and whether the purchaser feels they received a fair return on their purchase. What I want to know is why do you still have your 50u? You obviously don't like it and you don't think it is worth what you paid.

There is no way that these sets can't blow away a $200 CRT (made in China or not). The fact that you think they can't tells me you haven't a clue, and will likely never be happy with any set ever. Now, I was lucky enough to get my pd50u for free, and having sold tv's for more than 10 years, believe me, there is no WOW factor for me. I have a Sharp HDTV DLP projector, a Mitusbishi HDTV RPTV and a few Sharp LCD's. I really don't need this plasma, so if it didn't perform as well as my other sets I would sell it to someone needing the, as you put it, "wow factor." I would encourage anyone looking at plasmas to seriously consider the Panasonics.

Scott

Dude, I feel sorry for you if you can't handle the truth but I have 2 direct view CRTs HDTVs, one of which was ISF calibrated besides the $200 cheapo set. I 've had numerous videophile friends over comparing the sets side-by-side. The first comment they make with no input from me are that the flesh tones are off. If I adjust for optimal fleshtones, the the green push shows back up.

If you like your FREE set, I'm happy for you. But you can stick it where the sun doesn't shine if you want to tell me I don't have a clue. ;)

Whatever shortcomings exist should be weighed in relation to what was paid for the TV and whether the purchaser feels they received a fair return on their purchase. What I want to know is why do you still have your 50u? You obviously don't like it and you don't think it is worth what you paid.

1.) I bought on-line, so I'd have to incur a huge loss if I decided to return it or sell it.

2.) I'm hoping someone will come up with a fix, hopefully Panasonic. But if 99.999% of you people think all is well, I doubt that will happen.

3.) My posts will alert other first time plasma purchasers to shop with a more critical eye. I've seen quite a few posts that said that these sets may or may not look good in B&Ms, CCs and the like, then get them home and with a little tweaking that they look FABULOUS. My bad, I actually believed what I read here. (And yes, I did go view them personnally at several stores).

And as an aside, I don't understand why some of you just won't admit this set has some shortcomings? A few even get bent out of shape if you say anything negative at all. As an analogy, what if you were a first time sports car buyer and you ran across a bunch of reviews that said the new XYZ sports car is fantanstic...it's fast, handles well, comfortable, reasonably priced, etc. You buy only to find out the heater doesn't work in the winter, the AC doesn't cool adequately in the summer, and when it's hot, it's almost impossible to start. Then when you point this out in a forum, a bunch of people chastise you for mentioning it because all XYZ sports car do this. Maybe it's just me, but I'd like to know the pros and cons before I buy. Wish I would of read more cons before I bought.

I'd like to believe this but the logic fails when you view HDTV OTA. There's no cable box in the loop and the same problems exist. And I didn't see any improvement in the color accuracy or green rainbow effect when moving from the 8000HD components->8300HD components->8300HD HDMI.

All I can say is either my eyes/brain are more discriminating, or you guys are more willing to accept the shortcomings of a $4K-$5k set.

And nothing personal, but I hope perspective buyers aren't fooled into thinking static photo shots tweaked to look good are all you need to evaluate motion picture quality with a variety of program material. Caveat Emptor.Because you see evidence of (get ready for a new acronym) "GRE" for both OTA and CATV D* leads me to believe the problem is either with your PDP (which is possible) or some other aspect of your set-up (which is probable).

You're basically wrong on both of these assertions: "All I can say is either my eyes/brain are more discriminating, or you guys are more willing to accept the shortcomings of a $4K-$5k set."

And this statement is ********: "And nothing personal, but I hope perspective buyers aren't fooled into thinking static photo shots tweaked to look good are all you need to evaluate motion picture quality with a variety of program material. "

While the photos are indeed static... they are not "tweaked" and there is a hell of a lot of less bytes in a JPG image versus BMP.

I've only posted up the JPG version because of the constraints within AVSF... and for any yo yo (like you)... still using dial-up for Internet access.

I think you need to get some more education/experience in data communications before posting trash like this...

1.) I bought on-line, so I'd have to incur a huge loss if I decided to return it or sell it.

2.) I'm hoping someone will come up with a fix, hopefully Panasonic. But if 99.999% of you people think all is well, I doubt that will happen.

3.) My posts will alert other first time plasma purchasers to shop with a more critical eye. I've seen quite a few posts that said that these sets may or may not look good in B&Ms, CCs and the like, then get them home and with a little tweaking that they look FABULOUS. My bad, I actually believed what I read here. (And yes, I did go view them personnally at several stores).

And as an aside, I don't understand why some of you just won't admit this set has some shortcomings? A few even get bent out of shape if you say anything negative at all. As an analogy, what if you were a first time sports car buyer and you ran across a bunch of reviews that said the new XYZ sports car is fantanstic...it's fast, handles well, comfortable, reasonably priced, etc. You buy only to find out the heater doesn't work in the winter, the AC doesn't cool adequately in the summer, and when it's hot, it's almost impossible to start. Then when you point this out in a forum, a bunch of people chastise you for mentioning it because all XYZ sports car do this. Maybe it's just me, but I'd like to know the pros and cons before I buy. Wish I would of read more cons before I bought.

1) TVA offers a 30 day return (BTW, I don't mean to shill for TVA....they just happen to have a nice return policy) and a very competitive price. Looks like you chose the wrong retailer. The only loss you would incur would be shipping which for me was $175 dollars.....peanuts in context to the purchase.

2) A fix? To what? Green? It also has red push. So does the 5050 Pio...it has both also with a bit more green than the Panny. I have yet to come across a TV with a truely neutral color pallette. Have you read reviews of previous Pannys and Pios? Based on all that I've read and seen with HD signals, the Panny color pallette has stayed roughly constant and so has the Pio. You want a Sony instead? Or a Fujitsu? Prepared to spend more....much more. I don't know much about those TVs because I am not willing to spend more. If you want the best you should have done your homework. And even with that it is unclear to me if those TVs are better than this generation's Panny. I read a review last nite, in fact, in Perfect Vision where the reviewer chose the Panny TH-42PX25 as his reference set (in a comparison with a Pio and Hitachi.) How 'bout that!

3) As you said, Caveat Emptor.

I own an ISF calibrated Pioneer 510HD CRT which (and pardon my bias) may well be one of the most accurate RPTVs ever produced (along with he 600 and 700 series). Despite it's accuracy it still had red push. It is more accurate than the 50px50u by a mile. It has also lost roughly 50% of it's brightness over 4 years, has turned green, has developed a convergence problem and has never looked all that great in a bright room. But even in it's early days, it never offered the kind of transparent, 'you are there' imaging that this TV offers with HD signals. 'Bikini Destinations' last nite was breathtaking (yes, I'm a female fanboy, LOL)....the 510 can't touch it and never could. Same goes with 'Sunrise Earth' and many other programs. And, conversely, there is some programming where it's shortcomings are apparent. You have spoken loud enough for everyone to hear.....you hate the TV. We get it.

alright, alright, let's stop feeding into this negative nancy and move on! Lets talk about more important things like, why is Panny keeping this darn px500 so hush hush? We want more info NOW PANNY!!! Atleast give us some higher res pics to gawk at until it's out or a new press release to read over feverishly again and again ......give us something!? Throw us a friggin' bone here! :D

1) TVA offers a 30 day return (BTW, I don't mean to shill for TVA....they just happen to have a nice return policy) and a very competitive price. Looks like you chose the wrong retailer. The only loss you would incur would be shipping which for me was $175 dollars.....peanuts in context to the purchase.

Yes $175 for shipping and a days pay waiting for the shippers to show up since I spent the last of my vacation days waiting for the set to show up. That's assuming I can pull it off on short notice.

2) A fix? To what? Green? It also has red push. So does the 5050 Pio...it has both also with a bit more green than the Panny. I have yet to come across a TV with a truely neutral color pallette. Have you read reviews of previous Pannys and Pios? Based on all that I've read and seen with HD signals, the Panny color pallette has stayed roughly constant and so has the Pio. You want a Sony instead? Or a Fujitsu? Prepared to spend more....much more. I don't know much about those TVs because I am not willing to spend more. If you want the best you should have done your homework. And even with that it is unclear to me if those TVs are better than this generation's Panny. I read a review last nite, in fact, in Perfect Vision where the reviewer chose the Panny TH-42PX25 as his reference set (in a comparison with a Pio and Hitachi.) How 'bout that!.

Good for him. Did he mention that it has a green/red push? Did he mention that all the plasmas do that? But most importantly, did he mention the green RBE? If not he's doing a disservice to his readers.


3) As you said, Caveat Emptor.

I own an ISF calibrated Pioneer 510HD CRT which (and pardon my bias) may well be one of the most accurate RPTVs ever produced (along with he 600 and 700 series). Despite it's accuracy it still had red push. It is more accurate than the 50px50u by a mile. It has also lost roughly 50% of it's brightness over 4 years, has turned green, has developed a convergence problem and has never looked all that great in a bright room. But even in it's early days, it never offered the kind of transparent, 'you are there' imaging that this TV offers with HD signals. 'Bikini Destinations' last nite was breathtaking (yes, I'm a female fanboy, LOL)....the 510 can't touch it and never could. Same goes with 'Sunrise Earth' and many other programs. And, conversely, there is some programming where it's shortcomings are apparent. You have spoken loud enough for everyone to hear.....you hate the TV. We get it.

So why get bent out of shape? You like it. I think it has some shortcomings. I haven't lived with a Pioneer, Sony or Fujitsu PDP so I haven't commented on them for the obvious reason. Maybe there should have a sticky at the top of PDP thread stating that all PDPs have color rendering and possibly RBE effect problems if such is the case.

So you have a 4 year old ISF calibrated Pioneer 510HD CRT RPTV that looks like crap now. I thought they looked like crap when they were new. That's why I bought direct view sets. But anyhow, what does that have to do with the price of tea in china? Someone saying this PDP looks better than a 4 year old ISF calibrated CRT RPTV provides little new information to me. If someone tells me that their cheapo CRT direct decodes colors better and suffers no green RBE tells me something meaningful.

You stated your opinions, I stated mine. Isn't that how a forum is suppose to work? Or does everyone have to agree that the set is perfect for you to enjoy it?

And everybody here has read them and I think enough has been said already. The tone is turning sour so I think that its time to move on.

Thanks.

Dave

Because you see evidence of (get ready for a new acronym) "GRE" for both OTA and CATV D* leads me to believe the problem is either with your PDP (which is possible) or some other aspect of your set-up (which is probable).

You're basically wrong on both of these assertions: "All I can say is either my eyes/brain are more discriminating, or you guys are more willing to accept the shortcomings of a $4K-$5k set."

And this statement is ********: "And nothing personal, but I hope perspective buyers aren't fooled into thinking static photo shots tweaked to look good are all you need to evaluate motion picture quality with a variety of program material. "...

As far as being static imaged not being tweaked, you now mean to tell me you haven't tried various signal sources, connections and setting in the menus?

While the photos are indeed static... they are not "tweaked" and there is a hell of a lot of less bytes in a JPG image versus BMP.


Well if you can't see the "green rainbow effect" or whatever you want to call it, then I can see how you might take this position. There is at least one other forum member who saw it independent of my observations and he returned his set. He hasn't posted here about his dissatisfaction, and I now understand why.


I've only posted up the JPG version because of the constraints within AVSF... and for any yo yo (like you)... still using dial-up for Internet access.

I think you need to get some more education/experience in data communications before posting trash like this...

Nice...real nice. I'll stack my degrees in Physics, EE, and CS and 25 years of experience as an electrical engineer against anything you have to offer, bub. But this is dumb. Someone points to some deficiencies and you guys revert to childish personal attacks.

Enjoy. :p

Yes $175 for shipping and a days pay waiting for the shippers to show up since I spent the last of my vacation days waiting for the set to show up. That's assuming I can pull it off on short notice.

Good for him. Did he mention that it has a green/red push? Did he mention that all the plasmas do that? But most importantly, did he mention the green RBE? If not he's doing a disservice to his readers.


The calibration and measurements test showed it and he did mention the green push. He also said the Pio delivered a picture where 'everything had a slight greenish tint.' Bottom line is that all these TVs were less than perfect with color rendition. Some of these things can be fixed with ISF calibration and some you have to live with. No he did not mention the green RBE and if you were to read the thread where this is addressed, you would see this is not so much a problem on the Panny as it can occur on all TVs of any technology. But your perspective has focused in a tunnel vision like manner on the Panny specifically. I feel bad for those who are experiencing RBE but the info that we have at hand points to it not being a Panny problem.


So why get bent out of shape? You like it. I think it has some shortcomings. I haven't lived with a Pioneer, Sony or Fujitsu PDP so I haven't commented on them for the obvious reason. Maybe there should have a sticky at the top of PDP thread stating that all PDPs have color rendering and possibly RBE effect problems if such is the case.

So you have a 4 year old ISF calibrated Pioneer 510HD CRT RPTV that looks like crap now. I thought they looked like crap when they were new. That's why I bought direct view sets. But anyhow, what does that have to do with the price of tea in china? Someone saying this PDP looks better than a 4 year old ISF calibrated CRT RPTV provides little new information to me. If someone tells me that their cheapo CRT direct decodes colors better and suffers no green RBE tells me something meaningful.


I'm not bent out of shape. Instead it is you venting your considerable anxiety over your purchase. I love the TV....you on the other hand can focus on nothing but it's faults and somehow expect the TV to be perfect. It's eating you up, man.

BTW, with regard to my old Pio, I stated clearly, even in it's early days, it could not match the vivid realism of the Panny with HD material. But you just ignored that, chosing instead, to focus on faults to feed your anxiety even more. What has become clear to me is that you have not viewed any plasma with a critical eye in advance of your purchase or subsequent to that. I have. You have rolled a set of expectations in your head regarding what the picture should look like based on the subjective observations of others. This is your fault.

Maybe you should check into a skilled ISF calibrator who can perhaps help you.

Edit: I agree with the moderator here. I have said all I'm going to say on this issue.

RE Plasma vs. Directview CRT

I don't think there are many here that submit that plasma exceeds the picture quality of a high quality direct view CRT. CRT is the standard bearer. A high quality CRT has the best contrast values, excellent color, and very good resolution. Many of these characteristics exceed what is available even in the highest priced plasma. But what about the negative points of directview CRT; Small screen size, super large box, and very heavy. I wonder how the directview CRT resolution would hold up if you could get it to a size of 50"? How big would that box be?


That is why plasma is attractive alternative to me. I seems I can get acceptable picture quality in a large display image in a small form factor. I am monitoring the current gen plasmas because it seems they are in a price range I can afford.

I know it is difficult to spend our hard earned cash on something that doesn't live up to our expectations. I am the worst at getting buyers remorse, so I can empathise.

Best Regards,

Mike

So has anyone come up with a way to adjust overscan on the 42PD50U yet? The service menu from what I see of it has limited options.

Minxmeister: I think the solution is clear...sell the display. I live in Austin also and can probably find a buyer. I already paid for a PX500U or would buy it myself. What do you think, do you want to sell it?

And yeah, what's the deal on the PX500U...you would think it is top secret or something...let's go Panasonic...post the manual or something.

"And as an aside, I don't understand why some of you just won't admit this set has some shortcomings?"

I've already posted about my set's shortcoming. But they're not the same as yours. I don't notice any "RBE" or post-calibration green push.

Less than 5 people have commented about this RBE, and not all were Panasonic owners. Less than 5 people out of many more owners and lurkers. It seems that this RBE is more a function of how some people's eyes and brains work, rather than a shortcoming of the TV.

"A few even get bent out of shape if you say anything negative at all."

It seems to me that the person getting the most bent out of shape is you. You seem to have a problem accepting that most owners here do not have the same problems that you found with your set.

Dude, I feel sorry for you if you can't handle the truth but I have 2 direct view CRTs HDTVs, one of which was ISF calibrated besides the $200 cheapo set. I 've had numerous videophile friends over comparing the sets side-by-side. The first comment they make with no input from me are that the flesh tones are off. If I adjust for optimal fleshtones, the the green push shows back up.

If you like your FREE set, I'm happy for you. But you can stick it where the sun doesn't shine if you want to tell me I don't have a clue. ;)

Dude, I can handle most anything, even the truth. Remember, I'm the one that originally posted that my set had no green push. Then, I realized, thanks to spongebob, that it did, so I admitted it in this thread. I even took the time to post pics of the green push for all to see. I too have the issue of having to turn the color way down to get flesh tones to look natural. I am sorry you are not happy with your pdp. I do feel your pain, but there is no such thing as a perfect plasma or any display for that matter. That's why we have ISF calibraters, and why we are all talking about rainbows and crap. By the way, my abject apologies to you for saying you have no clue. That was uncalled for especially since I don't even know you.

Scott

optivity,

How long do channel changes take when you go from a 480i channel to a 1080i channel (and vice versa) with your CableCard?

This thread has gotten insane, but I've checked in occasionally since I've gotten my px50. I just noticed that people were talking about trouble with their cablecard. I've also gone through a couple of them from comcast, and have settled for one that is somewhat broken but is bearable. I figured the problem was with their cablecards, but now I'm starting to think maybe its the tv's internal tuner. What it does is that when you turn off the tv and then use it later, most digital and hd channels (except for the locals, which use the qam tuner), show a black screen, and the only way to remedy this is to take out the cablecard and then reinsert it. Has anyone had this same problem/solution and does anybody know if this is a problem with the panny's cablecard slot? I've also read some problems about the hdmi port, it seems like there's several issues with these sets. Oh well, I've been enjoying it immensly so far.

By the way, my abject apologies to you for saying you have no clue. That was uncalled for especially since I don't even know you.

Thank you, apology accepted. And I apologize if I said anything to offend you.

I hope perspective buyers aren't fooled into thinking static photo shots tweaked to look good are all you need to evaluate motion picture quality with a variety of program materialThis is your posting style that’s got me in a “frost.” AVSF is my latest “hobby” and that’s all it means to me. To imply I’m using “tweaked” screen captures from my 50U to fool prospective buyers is really a “cheap shot.”

You stated your opinions, I stated mine. Isn't that how a forum is suppose to work? Or does everyone have to agree that the set is perfect for you to enjoy it?More of the same… the only difference is this time I wasn’t your “target.”

I'll stack my degrees in Physics, EE, and CS and 25 years of experience as an electrical engineer against anything you have to offer, bub.Your reports of the dreaded “Green RBE” and your inability to use the Menu/Picture settings to eliminate evidence of “green push” leads me to believe the money your parents invested in your education was a waste. I’ll give you a “tip,” buy an Avia Home Theater DVD and “calibrate” your TV. Perhaps with the stack of degrees you’ve acquired you’ll be able to figure it out, but I doubt it.

as an aside, I don't understand why some of you just won't admit this set has some shortcomings?"Along the “misleading” picture line… I believe I was the 1st to post up a green “SpongeBob.”

optivity,

How long do channel changes take when you go from a 480i channel to a 1080i channel (and vice versa) with your CableCard?There is no major lag to speak of.

This thread has gotten insane, but I've checked in occasionally since I've gotten my px50. I just noticed that people were talking about trouble with their cablecard. I've also gone through a couple of them from comcast, and have settled for one that is somewhat broken but is bearable. I figured the problem was with their cablecards, but now I'm starting to think maybe its the tv's internal tuner. What it does is that when you turn off the tv and then use it later, most digital and hd channels (except for the locals, which use the qam tuner), show a black screen, and the only way to remedy this is to take out the cablecard and then reinsert it. Has anyone had this same problem/solution and does anybody know if this is a problem with the panny's cablecard slot? I've also read some problems about the hdmi port, it seems like there's several issues with these sets. Oh well, I've been enjoying it immensly so far.Based on your post… CableCARD/HDMI signaling problems, I’d say the fault lies with your cable provider or some aspect of your set-up.

All.

I have a Panasonic TH-42PX50U connected to a Comcast Motorola 6200 STB via a DVI to HDMI cable. I receive all standard definition material with no problem. However, when tuned to any High Definition channel, I get snow flashes on part of the screen that eventually turn into full blank screens and/or full snow constantly. If I reduce the STB resolution from 1080i or 720p to 480p for HDTV signals, the problem goes away. I have had Comcast check the signal and the box (no problems) and have changed the cable connector twice. This is only a problem with the HDMI input. All other inputs (except CableCard which I have not tried) work fine. Component high definition works fine in 720p or 1080i.

I have also been in contact with Panasonic service who now think that the problem may be the HDMI input in the display. Short of getting Panasonic to replace the HDMI input, does anyone have any suggestions as to what could be causing this problem and how I might go about fixing it?

All.

I have a Panasonic TH-42PX50U connected to a Comcast Motorola 6200 STB via a DVI to HDMI cable. I receive all standard definition material with no problem. However, when tuned to any High Definition channel, I get snow flashes on part of the screen that eventually turn into full blank screens and/or full snow constantly. If I reduce the STB resolution from 1080i or 720p to 480p for HDTV signals, the problem goes away. I have had Comcast check the signal and the box (no problems) and have changed the cable connector twice. This is only a problem with the HDMI input. All other inputs (except CableCard which I have not tried) work fine. Component high definition works fine in 720p or 1080i.

I have also been in contact with Panasonic service who now think that the problem may be the HDMI input in the display. Short of getting Panasonic to replace the HDMI input, does anyone have any suggestions as to what could be causing this problem and how I might go about fixing it?IMO... your cable provider is probably blowing smoke at this issue. CATV companies seem to be technically challenged when passing digital service over DVI/HDMI/CableCARD interfaces. If you want to try and further trouble-shoot/isolate the problem... your best approach might be to use another device, (e.g. a DVD player) that has either/both DVI/HDMI in/outputs to see how it works with your TV. Another alternative would be to see if Comcast can supply an STB with an HDMI output so you can eliminate the DVI --> HDMI converter.

Looking for the tv thats right for you I've learned alot from looking at local retailers. First of all if you wait you'll never enjoy whats available and I'm learning this. I've decided on a 42 inch model. Because at a BB I saw the Panasonic 42px25 and 50px25 side by side. I know these are 04 models but Panasonic reduced the weight of them by 15 pounds with the 50u models. Which I believe made them more affordable but I'll leave this up to you experts to decide. What my eyes see I believe that you can't make a 50 inch look as good as 42 inch. The Panasonic th42px25u is the best picture of the two. I believe I can still find the 25u online. I read that everyone say's buy the 50 inch but with reduced picture quality. Well Thats my pennys worth.

Again, it boils down to: for the money, performance and footprint...I really like these displays. The first PDP I saw was $15K and looked like crap. If you're not happy with the new Panasonic line, then you probably won't be happy with a PDP at all. I'm hearing the usual minor problems that you see on every display in every forum.

IMO... your cable provider is probably blowing smoke at this issue. CATV companies seem to be technically challenged when passing digital service over DVI/HDMI/CableCARD interfaces. If you want to try and further trouble-shoot/isolate the problem... your best approach might be to use another device, (e.g. a DVD player) that has either/both DVI/HDMI in/outputs to see how it works with your TV. Another alternative would be to see if Comcast can supply an STB with an HDMI output so you can eliminate the DVI --> HDMI converter.

Thanks Optivity,

I am purchasing a LG DVD player model LDA-511 with upscaled HDMI output. Will check HDMI to HDMI input with that unit and see if it works properly.

optivity,

I am interested in the 50 or 500 for my father. It seems that the cable-card may not be user friendly enough for him. From what I see with my PC QAM tuners, there is no understanding of the "Logical" channel numbers. For example, 85.1 selects ABC-HD on the QAM tuners. On comcast and TVGuilde, this is listed as 805. So if he were to use the Cable-Card only, he would have a hard time figuring out which channels are which.

Is that the way yours works?

Thanks,

Rich

optivity,

I am interested in the 50 or 500 for my father. It seems that the cable-card may not be user friendly enough for him. From what I see with my PC QAM tuners, there is no understanding of the "Logical" channel numbers. For example, 85.1 selects ABC-HD on the QAM tuners. On comcast and TVGuilde, this is listed as 805. So if he were to use the Cable-Card only, he would have a hard time figuring out which channels are which.

Is that the way yours works?

Thanks,

RichI'm using (for the time being) Albany Time Warner Cable and the CableCARD interface to receive their NTSC/ATSC signals. While the channel line-ups remain the same there is very little information passed to the subscriber. I've resorted to the time-tested, old-fashion printed card listing of channels, the TV guide and the Internet to retrieve upcoming program information. :rolleyes:

Will be ordering my 42PX50U this week. If I use my Mastercard I get an extra year tacked on to the warranty period. Is purchasing an extra 4 year warranty really worth the extra cost? I would assume that I will probably replace the PX within five years to get new upgraded picture quality anyway, so why not save a little money up front? Any comments?

I'm using (for the time being) Albany Time Warner Cable and the CableCARD interface to receive their NTSC/ATSC signals. While the channel line-ups remain the same there is very little information passed to the subscriber. I've resorted to the time-tested, old-fashion printed card listing of channels, the TV guide and the Internet to retrieve upcoming program information. :rolleyes:

Cool. That works so long as the cablecard does the appropriate channel mapping, which it sounds like it does.

Thanks,

Rich

Will be ordering my 42PX50U this week. If I use my Mastercard I get an extra year tacked on to the warranty period. Is purchasing an extra 4 year warranty really worth the extra cost? I would assume that I will probably replace the PX within five years to get new upgraded picture quality anyway, so why not save a little money up front? Any comments?

Of couse, it depends on the $$. The only extended warranty I ever bought was for my 657UY. I did that because carry-in service for a 185 LB monitor was too big a deal. Personally, I would not buy one for a smaller set.

-- Rich

If a plasma is going to break, will it be in the early years or later years? I have had CRT televisions for over 14 years without a service call. Are plasma's really that fragile that the lifetime is less than 5 years?

Again, it boils down to: for the money, performance and footprint...I really like these displays.

Well said.

When I first decided I wanted a 16:9 television, I got hooked on the 34" Sony XBR CRT. PQ was outstanding and has only gotten better, IMO. Plasma was expensive and the picture couldn't compare.

But that XBR wasn't as inexpensive back then as it is now. Actually, if I recall, it was the price of what a good quality PDP is now.

From my viewing distance, that 34-incher would look smallish compared to a PDP, so at my range of ten feet, the performance of the PDP is more satisfying.

And the footprint of the plasma is the biggest discriminator. It would be really tough to wall mount that 34" XBR. :D And besides, it would stick out 24" into my viewing area, and still look smallish by comparison!

Will be ordering my 42PX50U this week. If I use my Mastercard I get an extra year tacked on to the warranty period. Is purchasing an extra 4 year warranty really worth the extra cost? I would assume that I will probably replace the PX within five years to get new upgraded picture quality anyway, so why not save a little money up front? Any comments?

The one bad thing about plasmas is that they can break so that they are not repairable. Combine that with the idea that approx. 30% of all consumer electronics fail in the first year according to Consumers Reports, and you may want to consider the warranty. It would suck to have to through yours in the trash if you have major pixel failure during the 3rd year. Are you a gambler? The odds at least are in your favor that you won't have any problems, but who knows?

Scott

All.

I have a Panasonic TH-42PX50U connected to a Comcast Motorola 6200 STB via a DVI to HDMI cable. I receive all standard definition material with no problem. However, when tuned to any High Definition channel, I get snow flashes on part of the screen that eventually turn into full blank screens and/or full snow constantly. If I reduce the STB resolution from 1080i or 720p to 480p for HDTV signals, the problem goes away. I have had Comcast check the signal and the box (no problems) and have changed the cable connector twice. This is only a problem with the HDMI input. All other inputs (except CableCard which I have not tried) work fine. Component high definition works fine in 720p or 1080i.

I have also been in contact with Panasonic service who now think that the problem may be the HDMI input in the display. Short of getting Panasonic to replace the HDMI input, does anyone have any suggestions as to what could be causing this problem and how I might go about fixing it?
I have the same configuration from comcast and do not have this problem. I have my stb set at 720p for HD signals.

This is your posting style that’s got me in a “frost.” AVSF is my latest “hobby” and that’s all it means to me. To imply I’m using “tweaked” screen captures from my 50U to fool prospective buyers is really a “cheap shot.”

More of the same… the only difference is this time I wasn’t your “target.”.

I'm sorry if you don't like my posting style. All I have to say is I don't like being told:

"you haven't a clue"

"will likely never be happy with any set ever"

Accused of calling "all of us new Panny owners are not very bright" when I did no such thing.

And it continues:

"There seems to be alot of intelligent discussion here about the Pannys puctuated periodically by hyperbolic and whiny posts....like yours. And if you steer far away from this thread you won't be missed as you add nothing productive."

"If you don't understand what you're looking at... you’re not qualified to make recommendations to those seeking advice. As is generally the case...those of you who think you know everything are annoying to those of us who do..."

"Is comparing the Pannys to a $200 Chinese CRT 'intelligent discussion'?"

"this statement is ********"

"and for any yo yo (like you)... still using dial-up for Internet access"

"I think you need to get some more education/experience in data communications before posting trash like this..."

And for what I implied, and it seems a few of you are implying things I never intended, allow me to clarify. Besides utilizing different sources, connections, program material, particular scenes, menu settings, there's also the lighting environment, the cameras settings, the camera's own color rendering characteristics, so yes I would say the "still" image was optimized. I can't imagine anyone going through the trouble to show off an image that's not optimized while pontificating on all the changes they made to their system to optimize it. Further, people viewing the image will have different video cards and display devices, introducing further differences. But the main point was that still images will not fully demonstrate what the set looks like with video of varying program material as opposed to particular still images. I stand by my original statement.


Your reports of the dreaded “Green RBE” and your inability to use the Menu/Picture settings to eliminate evidence of “green push” leads me to believe the money your parents invested in your education was a waste. I’ll give you a “tip,” buy an Avia Home Theater DVD and “calibrate” your TV. Perhaps with the stack of degrees you’ve acquired you’ll be able to figure it out, but I doubt it..

And the childish personal attacks continue.

None the less, FYI, I bought and have been utilizing the Avia DVD for the last 4 years on both my equipment and that of friends with good results. Further, I have tried the 8000HD w/components, 8300HD w/components, 8300HD w/HDMI, RP91-D w/components, direct cable RF connection for network HDTV passed-thru and the built in OTA tuner while making adjustments in both the consumer and service menus. It has been my experience that I can minimize the green push, but then generally the flesh tones are off. I believe, if I remember correctly from a recent post, a professional reviewer came to a similar conclusion. If in my frustration I made a statement that was somewhat over the top, there was at least one person who didn't resort to personal attacks to remind/inform me that PDPs still won't deliver the picture a direct view CRT will.

I won't even get into the "green RBE" because if you don't see it, it's a none issue for you.


Along the “misleading” picture line… I believe I was the 1st to post up a green “SpongeBob.”

I never have watched “SpongeBob” and probably never will. None the less, it was obvious to me that the "delivered settings" had such artifacts as blond hair with a "greenness" to it. So thanks for the confirming my original observations. But I still think that optimizing particular still images is only part of the equation when evaluating a device that is designed to deliver motion pictures. If you don't agree, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

P.S. My parents didn't pay for any of my post-secondary education. :cool:

Yawn . . .

77 pages, almost 2300 posts, over 200,000 views, and pages and pages of swordfighting.

Maybe it's time to close this thread?

MHO

I've finally jumped off the fence and purchased the TH-50PX50u. The TV is fantasic - great PQ on SD and HD channels - and no dead / stuck pixels. I did notice a minor green push but that seems to have been easily mitigated by minor adjustments. Overall, I've been very satisified. I have about 120 hours on the panel now and working my way towards the magic 900 hour mark. I've been avoiding any black/gray bars - even as I've moved beyond the 100 hour mark. Also I'm avoiding static images in general. One question I have is with regard to the translucent channel ID's that many stations superimpose - usually in the bottom right. The keyword here is translucent. Can anyone tell me whether these translucent images are safe to view for somewhat extended periods - or should I also continue to avoid such things until beyond the 900 hour mark?

Thanks...;-)

I've finally jumped off the fence and purchased the TH-50PX50u. The TV is fantasic - great PQ on SD and HD channels - and no dead / stuck pixels. I did notice a minor green push but that seems to have been easily mitigated by minor adjustments. Overall, I've been very satisified. I have about 120 hours on the panel now and working my way towards the magic 900 hour mark. I've been avoiding any black/gray bars - even as I've moved beyond the 100 hour mark. Also I'm avoiding static images in general. One question I have is with regard to the translucent channel ID's that many stations superimpose - usually in the bottom right. The keyword here is translucent. Can anyone tell me whether these translucent images are safe to view for somewhat extended periods - or should I also continue to avoid such things until beyond the 900 hour mark?

Thanks...;-)

I've never seen anyone complain about the translucent logos causing burn-in. I've seen Tivo mentioned and ticker-type channel logos though. Personally, HDnet and other HD channels with the translucent logos, I don't worry about and have no problem tuning them in and leaving 'em on. But, when it comes to Fox, National Geographic and other SD bright logos, I am conscious of their brightness and position. I wouldn't leave those channels on for exended periods.....which is not to say that doing so would guarantee burn-in. BTW, there is a sticky burn-in thread at the top.....there is a great deal of info there. Quite honestly, I haven't read it in detail....maybe I should!

If you could any model Panasonic in 50 inch for the same price what one would you buy. Is the media center models better than models with built in tuners?

If you could (buy) any model Panasonic in 50 inch for the same price what one would you buy.

I'd buy the one that has the particular features i need or want.

Is the media center models better than models with built in tuners?

They are if you need the extra flexibility the media box provides.

Mods Note:

Well I guess its time to put on our babysitting hat and babysit this thread, so just to let you know that anymore "CRAP" post will be deleted without notice.

Have a Good Night!

Dave

Hi,

I've made some posts a while back and have been lurking long before and long since. I've been looking to buy a tv for some time and still am.

I feel compelled to jump in with my two cents regarding this tempest in the teapot regarding this guy Minxmeister for two reasons. First, because the squabble touches on one of the central purposes of this forum. Second, because in itself, I guess I have to admit it troubles me as an issue of simple grace and courtesy in itself.

I'm grateful for Minxmeister's posts. They're fine. They're informative. They present another point of view, and raise some valid questions, at least to someone who's trying to make heads and tails of the options out there in displays today. They're offensive, but only if you were born missing the first six layers of your skin, and if you take your Panny really really really seriously.

A few months ago, I discovered that "false contouring" was an accepted bugaboo with plasma technology. I kept looking at plasmas in shops and kept being astonished on how poor the price/pq ratio was on these expensive things in terms of this particular problem. These forums are a fantastic resource and a great help to a novice like myself, but I was surprised at how little remarked upon this apparently universal limitation seemed to be for home appliances typically costing north of two or three large. So I'm still looking for a tv, and am happy to wait until the technology reaches a point where I'm more comfortable with the trade-offs involved, (there will always, of course, be trade-offs). And from what I see in the shops, technology seems to be creeping forward a little with regards to false contouring, and who knows, with prices coming down as well, maybe I'll spring for one of these monsters sometime this year.

If other people can accept that trade off, or don't feel its a trade off in the first place, that's fine. But the fact that I can post a message here and say, "Gee, there are a lot of wonderful things about plasmas in general and Pannies in particular that totally outclass crt and rptv, but you might want to think about false contouring before you buy because its a common problem and looks like hell" is what I think this board should partly be about, and indeed why I lurk on.

Why bring this up? Because I find that Minxmeister raises some interesting issues. (Though in my specific case the these problems with green push ultimately don't matter much, since my eyes are flummoxed by a certain little band of the spectrum anyway...)

So anyway, Minxmeister read that everyone loves their Panny because the green problem was merely a factory setting that could be adjusted out, but then discovered too late that the "fix" for the green yellows compromises fleshtones. And he had the unmitigated temerity to be pissed about it. And he's surprised that a lot of people are willing to shell out big bucks for what are by his standards, sub par color. By my lights, that's fine. My wallet and I are glad to know about things like this, even in those cases where the messenger's tone may want for delicacy. Could Minxmeister have researched better, and maybe come across this info right on this board before he bought? Maybe, maybe not- it doesn't matter.
He's writing about his experience, and even with my green-challenged eyes I find it interesting, and can imagine that others out there with better eyes than mine might find it more so.

What's with this pile on the rabbit stuff?

I dunno, maybe its the times- I guess "You're either with us or against us" is the new black.

optivity,

I am interested in the 50 or 500 for my father. It seems that the cable-card may not be user friendly enough for him. From what I see with my PC QAM tuners, there is no understanding of the "Logical" channel numbers. For example, 85.1 selects ABC-HD on the QAM tuners. On comcast and TVGuilde, this is listed as 805. So if he were to use the Cable-Card only, he would have a hard time figuring out which channels are which.

Is that the way yours works?

Thanks,

Rich

Hey, Rich. I have this tv, and I have comcast and used the qam tuner for a week or so before I got the cablecard in. The internal hi-def tuner gave me these random channels for the locals in hd, such as 84.7 for fox, 84.2 for nbc, etc., similar to the results you got with your pc. I had to write down the channels in order to know which was which when surfing around the locals. When I got the cablecard in, these channels moved. It became the defaults that are given by my sp, where hd digital channels were in the 800's, matching the analog number, so nbc was 807 instead of 7, and abc was 805 instead of 5. If you're getting the cablecard for your father, it's real easy for him to figure it out, he can just surf the 800s to go through the hd channels. Good luck.

All.

I have a Panasonic TH-42PX50U connected to a Comcast Motorola 6200 STB via a DVI to HDMI cable. I receive all standard definition material with no problem. However, when tuned to any High Definition channel, I get snow flashes on part of the screen that eventually turn into full blank screens and/or full snow constantly. If I reduce the STB resolution from 1080i or 720p to 480p for HDTV signals, the problem goes away. I have had Comcast check the signal and the box (no problems) and have changed the cable connector twice. This is only a problem with the HDMI input. All other inputs (except CableCard which I have not tried) work fine. Component high definition works fine in 720p or 1080i.

I have also been in contact with Panasonic service who now think that the problem may be the HDMI input in the display. Short of getting Panasonic to replace the HDMI input, does anyone have any suggestions as to what could be causing this problem and how I might go about fixing it?

I started a thread on this issue a week or so ago. I first connected my PX50 to a Directv HD Tivo using HDMI and got a black screen and no sound. Someone correctly pointed out that these STBs have known problems with the HDMI connector. But I also connected the Panny to a Samsung SIR TS-360 using DVI to HDMI cable with the exact same results described above: HD yielded black screens or snow but SD worked normally. At this point, I thought the problem had to be with the TV's HDMI input since I had problems with two different STBs.

Someone suggested that I try connecting a DVD player. Well, I didn't own a DVD with an HDMI output so I invested a few $$ and it arrived today. The result was picture and sound not only at 480p but it also worked for a signal upconverted to 720p and 1081i. Now I'm not sure what the problem is. Perhaps the HD Tivo's HDMI is faulty but then why the same problem with a Samsung D* box and a Comcast STB, both using DVI to HDMI?

I actually went back to CC during the 30 day period and ordered a replacement TV. The 42PX50 must be popular because CC told me that they are out of stock on this model in my area and it would be at least 2 weeks before new sets were available. Now I'm not sure if it's simpler just to keep my existing set and use HDMI for the DVD player and component for TV.

wassim17,

Thanks for the info. That is great news.

-- Rich

I started a thread on this issue a week or so ago. I first connected my PX50 to a Directv HD Tivo using HDMI and got a black screen and no sound. Someone correctly pointed out that these STBs have known problems with the HDMI connector. But I also connected the Panny to a Samsung SIR TS-360 using DVI to HDMI cable with the exact same results described above: HD yielded black screens or snow but SD worked normally. At this point, I thought the problem had to be with the TV's HDMI input since I had problems with two different STBs.

Someone suggested that I try connecting a DVD player. Well, I didn't own a DVD with an HDMI output so I invested a few $$ and it arrived today. The result was picture and sound not only at 480p but it also worked for a signal upconverted to 720p and 1081i. Now I'm not sure what the problem is. Perhaps the HD Tivo's HDMI is faulty but then why the same problem with a Samsung D* box and a Comcast STB, both using DVI to HDMI?

If you're leaving your STBs on it's possible that they might not be recognizing that the TV is HDCP compliant when you turn the TV on or switch to the HDMI input. This happens with Scientific Atlanta cable DVRs if the DVR, when connected via DVI, is already on when the TV is turned on or the TV input is changed to HDMI. The workaround for these DVRs is to turn the DVR off, then switch the TV to the HDMI input then go back and turn the DVR on. Apparently the DVR when first turned on queries the TV to see if it's HDCP compliant so TV needs to be on and set to the HDMI input for the TV to respond to the DVR's query. If the TV is off, the DVR gets "no answer" and does not complete the connection resulting in no picture.

Try this method and see if it works - it's worked for tons of SA DVR users so the Tivo or Sammy STB might just require the same sequence to enable the connection. It's worth a shot . . . .

I've finally jumped off the fence and purchased the TH-50PX50u. The TV is fantasic - great PQ on SD and HD channels - and no dead / stuck pixels. I did notice a minor green push but that seems to have been easily mitigated by minor adjustments. Overall, I've been very satisified. I have about 120 hours on the panel now and working my way towards the magic 900 hour mark. I've been avoiding any black/gray bars - even as I've moved beyond the 100 hour mark. Also I'm avoiding static images in general. One question I have is with regard to the translucent channel ID's that many stations superimpose - usually in the bottom right. The keyword here is translucent. Can anyone tell me whether these translucent images are safe to view for somewhat extended periods - or should I also continue to avoid such things until beyond the 900 hour mark?

Thanks...;-)Good deal my fellow 50PX50U owner... My only regret now is I wish my panel were even BIGGER! :D

Some of you guys need to step up to the plate and start experimenting with the CableCARD interface. This is the only way to see how these panels can truly perform. In my case… once the CableCARD was installed the panel went from rendering a great picture to one where the colors are “dead-on!” There is improvement for SD too. The downside is... most CATV providers seem to be technically challenged when delivering D* over DVI/HDMI/CableCARD so our results may vary.

Sox404 - I have the Panny 42PX50u and have it connected to an SA8300-DVR through HDMI and have no problems. I don't know if that is relevant, but it may indicate that the TV is not the problem.

Rich N.

Thanks Optivity,

I am purchasing a LG DVD player model LDA-511 with upscaled HDMI output. Will check HDMI to HDMI input with that unit and see if it works properly.

White Tiger let us know if you are satisfied with the LG DVD player. I to was looking at that model with interest. If you can share your opinion i would appreciate it. Thanks.

BTW, another gripe that I have with my PX50 is the false contouring. It's easily noticeable in underwater scenese or sky scenes. It's better than the PX25 models because of the increase in greyscales, but it's still there.

As far as I know, this is an issue with all plasmas and lcds though.

Sox404 - I have the Panny 42PX50u and have it connected to an SA8300-DVR through HDMI and have no problems. I don't know if that is relevant, but it may indicate that the TV is not the problem.

Rich N.

raidbuck,

If I may ask, how long to channel changes take when you go from a 480i channel to a 1080i channel with your PX50/8300HD combo?

raidbuck,

If I may ask, how long to channel changes take when you go from a 480i channel to a 1080i channel with your PX50/8300HD combo?

a few seconds maybe?I cant really tell much a difference if i send the 37px50 a 1080i signal and let the box upconvert it, or send it the 480i signal, so I'm pretty much just sending the tv 1080i now. I originally had all 4 formats going to the tv, and it didnt take more then a second or 2 to change channel's that I can remember, nothing that frustrated me that much, but i figure if it looks the same to me i might as well just send 1080i to save that second or 2.

raidbuck,

If I may ask, how long to channel changes take when you go from a 480i channel to a 1080i channel with your PX50/8300HD combo?

I haven't noticed a difference between SD analog and HD because I don't go into analog much at all. For HD channels it is a few seconds, probably a second too long, but not bad.

Rich N.

I am a rookie to the plasma world and need a little help. I just got the 42px50u and I have Cablevision SA8300 STB, HDMI Outputting DVD player, and Onkyo Surround Sound.

The 42px50u only has one HDMI input, so do I use that for the STB or the DVD player?

If i use that for the STB, what should i use for the DVD player. I am not really sure how to connect all these parts and what cables to use. I want to maximize the picture and sound quality of my setup.

I am a rookie to the plasma world and need a little help. I just got the 42px50u and I have Cablevision SA8300 STB, HDMI Outputting DVD player, and Onkyo Surround Sound.

The 42px50u only has one HDMI input, so do I use that for the STB or the DVD player?

If i use that for the STB, what should i use for the DVD player. I am not really sure how to connect all these parts and what cables to use. I want to maximize the picture and sound quality of my setup.My suggestion is to use the HDMI connection for your STB and a component connection for your DVD player. The STB will pass 1080i/720p signals to your TV so it makes sense to use your best digital connection for this purpose. The DVD player can do no better than 480p so a component connection seems to be most appropriate for it. You can connect the coax digital audio out of the STB to your Onkyo receiver for full DD 5.1 and the optical audio out of the DVD player to the receiver for it's DD sound.

Another thought is if you want to achieve the best picture possible, try using the CableCARD interface of your TV which will open the HDMI port for your DVD player.

I am a rookie to the plasma world and need a little help. I just got the 42px50u and I have Cablevision SA8300 STB, HDMI Outputting DVD player, and Onkyo Surround Sound.

The 42px50u only has one HDMI input, so do I use that for the STB or the DVD player?

If i use that for the STB, what should i use for the DVD player. I am not really sure how to connect all these parts and what cables to use. I want to maximize the picture and sound quality of my setup.

That has been one of the gripes in this forum concerning only one HDMI input. I would use it on whatever device you use the most because from what i have read here and other places HDMI gives you the better PQ. I quess you will have to try it on both devices to see which device gives you the better PQ. Use Component as your other alternative connection as this is the best after HDM1 and DVI. Hope this helps.

I am a rookie to the plasma world and need a little help. I just got the 42px50u and I have Cablevision SA8300 STB, HDMI Outputting DVD player, and Onkyo Surround Sound.

The 42px50u only has one HDMI input, so do I use that for the STB or the DVD player?

If i use that for the STB, what should i use for the DVD player. I am not really sure how to connect all these parts and what cables to use. I want to maximize the picture and sound quality of my setup.

Well, that's one gripe I have with my PX50. Unlike Pio and LG plasmas which have two HDMI inputs, the PX50s only have one.

Right now, I'm using HDMI for my DVD player and component for my SA8000HD. You should experiment and see what is the optimal setup for you. If you use HDMI for one, definitely use component for the other. There really shouldn't be a huge difference. Theoretically HDMI should be better, but most people can't tell the difference, and some actually prefer component.

One thing is, you won't be able to pass 1080i or 720p via component from your DVD player. You can only pass 1080i or 720p via HDMI from your DVD player. You can pass 1080i and 720p via component from your 8300HD STB.

White Tiger let us know if you are satisfied with the LG DVD player. I to was looking at that model with interest. If you can share your opinion i would appreciate it. Thanks.


Catsllick,

I went to BB to buy the LG LDA 511 but not yet in stock. Ended up getting an LG LST 3510A open box with 30% off and a $50 BB card for net only slightly more than the DVD player would have cost. The 3510 includes both an HD tuner and an upscaling DVD player connected via a DVI output. Again, no joy from the Panny 42PX50 when connected through the HDMI input. However, I have a Syntax Olevia LT26HVE in the bedroom which takes both the HD inputs from the tuner and the DVD player at 720p or 1080i with no problems.

Given at least two complaints on this same issue, it would appear that at least some of the Pannys suffer from an inherent HDMI input problem. Panasonic never called in the 24 hours that they promised they would. I finally called them back but they still have been unable to contact a service rep up to now. They are now supposed to call me back with a service call date today. So much for the Club Panasonic 2 day service guarantee.

Any word on an expected release date on the 500X?

Any word on an expected release date on the 500X?

This was posted on 6/13 by thegamer36......I'm hoping their accurate! :D

I just got off the phone with Panasonic online store and they said the following:

42" 500U will be shipping out Monday June 20.
50" 500U will be shipping out Monday June 27.

They sell at MSRP. These ship dates are from their online store, meaning that other online stores and bm stores may be close to getting them as well. Let's hope this is true.

I can upconvert to 1080i and 720p with my DVD player using component. :) :)

While this thread has been great, it is getting harder to look for issues now that more people have these sets. I am having an issue with the 50px50u and a cablecard. To better find replys to this and other issues with the cable card, I have a new thread called Panasonic 50PX50U and CableCard with my problem. Please see that and reply for any input.

While this thread has been great, it is getting harder to look for issues now that more people have these sets. I am having an issue with the 50px50u and a cablecard. To better find replys to this and other issues with the cable card, I have a new thread called Panasonic 50PX50U and CableCard with my problem. Please see that and reply for any input.Welcome to my world! :eek:

From the menu bar above, select 'Search' then 'Advanced Search' and then Search by my User Name... read my posts since June 11th, and you'll see what I'm going through with Albany Time Warner's CableCARD. If you find anything out with your CableCARD... please let me know. :(

BTW... here is a the link back to... 'your world...' (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=550400)

Some of tonight’s screen captures from my PX50U… slightly “tweaked…” for ’ MinxMeisters’ viewing pleasure…

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/DSC01178.JPG

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/DSC01204.JPG

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/DSC01206.JPG

absolutely stunning......

I like the first pic (dam* I missed the national anthem). The last two ruins everything. ;)

absolutely stunning......Thanks dude... Like I said... try the CableCARD... for a $1.75/month why not? We need some more CC pioneers out here.

Some of tonight’s screen captures from my PX50U…

Very nice, and I've got the popcorn!!!
(original question deleted - it was answered in above post) :cool:

I like the first pic (dam* I missed the national anthem).I lucked out there... I was flipping channels while 'Carrie' was on. :) The last two ruins everything. ;)Sorry, what can I say? I was born, raised and still live in NY. Remember, we have the best team in Baseball that money can buy. :D

If you're leaving your STBs on it's possible that they might not be recognizing that the TV is HDCP compliant when you turn the TV on or switch to the HDMI input. This happens with Scientific Atlanta cable DVRs if the DVR, when connected via DVI, is already on when the TV is turned on or the TV input is changed to HDMI. The workaround for these DVRs is to turn the DVR off, then switch the TV to the HDMI input then go back and turn the DVR on. Apparently the DVR when first turned on queries the TV to see if it's HDCP compliant so TV needs to be on and set to the HDMI input for the TV to respond to the DVR's query. If the TV is off, the DVR gets "no answer" and does not complete the connection resulting in no picture.

Try this method and see if it works - it's worked for tons of SA DVR users so the Tivo or Sammy STB might just require the same sequence to enable the connection. It's worth a shot . . . .

Seemed like a really good idea but unfortunately I tried it with both the HD Tivo and the Sammy STB with no effect. The HDMI to HDMI for the Tivo was dead no matter what. The Sammy's DVI to HDMI worked fine at 480p but not at all (alternating black screen and snow) at 720p or 1080i. Seems like White Tiger and I both have HDMI input problems although HDMI does work for me with a HDMI capable DVD player. I don't own another TV with an HDMI input so I can't readily test the STBs with another set.

okay boys, here are some new pics from our brothers in the UK of their pv500's or our px500's. since their the UK version, their guts are not exact, but look how beautiful.......

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feast your eyes......
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Now THAT is exciting!!!

Help I'm a plasma novice and have been sitting on the px50 , px500 fence , am interested in the 50". Was already to get the 50px50u as I don't necessarily need the extra inputs and thought the pq between the two sets should be the same but to quote a news release"The VIERA TH-50PX500 features Panasonics latest PEAKS (Picture Enhancement Accelerator with Kinetic System) technology incorporating a new plasma panel, deep black filter and real black drive system. The deep black filter attached to the front protection glass reduces light transmittance, effectively suppressing external glare and reflection. The real black drive system has realized a high contrast ratio of 3,000:1 in the dark environment, creating deeper and richer blacks."

Any of the information I have seen on the 50px50u , this PEAKS feature is not mentioned. I called Panasonic and they said the PX500 series has the PEAKS feature while the PX50 series does not. Could the PX500 series possably have a better picture because of these features? I know the 50PX500 is wider , taller and thicker and weighs 14 lbs more then the 50PX50U so there is defiantly more hardware in the PX500.

a few more.....ahhh yes boys, take it all in....
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I wish someone would post a clear pic of the back. I want to see what connections are back there!

I wish someone would post a clear pic of the back. I want to see what connections are back there!

me to, this is as close as i could find....but i guess it might be different anyway though....[IMG]

Thanks mscappa, I am sure they are different, but it might give us an idea. Why does the PX500 have a PCMCIA slot? Is it for a card converter to display photos? What I would love but there is a zero chance, is if you could plug a firewire card in there to have a 1394 input. Fat chance!

Help I'm a plasma novice and have been sitting on the px50 , px500 fence , am interested in the 50". Was already to get the 50px50u as I don't necessarily need the extra inputs and thought the pq between the two sets should be the same but to quote a news release"The VIERA TH-50PX500 features Panasonics latest PEAKS (Picture Enhancement Accelerator with Kinetic System) technology incorporating a new plasma panel, deep black filter and real black drive system. The deep black filter attached to the front protection glass reduces light transmittance, effectively suppressing external glare and reflection. The real black drive system has realized a high contrast ratio of 3,000:1 in the dark environment, creating deeper and richer blacks."

Any of the information I have seen on the 50px50u , this PEAKS feature is not mentioned. I called Panasonic and they said the PX500 series has the PEAKS feature while the PX50 series does not. Could the PX500 series possably have a better picture because of these features? I know the 50PX500 is wider , taller and thicker and weighs 14 lbs more then the 50PX50U so there is defiantly more hardware in the PX500.

I think that the PEAKS system has been a part of Panasonic plasmas since at least the sixth generation.

http://panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/en030821-7/en030821-7.html

Help I'm a plasma novice and have been sitting on the px50 , px500 fence , am interested in the 50". Was already to get the 50px50u as I don't necessarily need the extra inputs and thought the pq between the two sets should be the same but to quote a news release"The VIERA TH-50PX500 features Panasonics latest PEAKS (Picture Enhancement Accelerator with Kinetic System) technology incorporating a new plasma panel, deep black filter and real black drive system. The deep black filter attached to the front protection glass reduces light transmittance, effectively suppressing external glare and reflection. The real black drive system has realized a high contrast ratio of 3,000:1 in the dark environment, creating deeper and richer blacks."

Any of the information I have seen on the 50px50u , this PEAKS feature is not mentioned. I called Panasonic and they said the PX500 series has the PEAKS feature while the PX50 series does not. Could the PX500 series possably have a better picture because of these features? I know the 50PX500 is wider , taller and thicker and weighs 14 lbs more then the 50PX50U so there is defiantly more hardware in the PX500.Just remember, all the fancy hardware doesn't mean a thing unless you've got the signal to drive it. IMO... you need to use a CableCARD to obtain the best performance from your PDP.

14 pounds heavier on the new 500u over the 50u? Well thats exactly the weight difference between the 2004 model 25u to the 50u. Not knocking the 50u but thats how they made it more affordable by taking contents out of it. Sounds to me that the 500u is the 25u replacment not the onyx? Reading the review of perfect vision the 25u is there reference set, that they compare other models to. I wish onyx owners would chime in here and find out that Panasonics flagship model is worth more money than the others. I can see why the onyx doubters would chime in and say they don't see the differences because when it boils down to shelling out the extra money, it always talks.

I feel compelled to post this morning. My TH-42PD50 turned one month old yesterday. To celebrate, I stopped by Best Buy and they gave me back $200 plus tax – equal to price changes since purchase. Nice.

Last night we saw CSI in full HD glory (on an ED set, of course). We then watched a bit of the Spurs – Pistons play, again in HD. It’s hard to imagine that it could even be better with a HD set (no remorse, though).

Even with all the concerns about color and so on, this is an amazing set. It makes us want to watch TV again – but only HD. A vote taken at lights out was unanimous – all prefer average programming in HD over anything in regular cable. For the first time ever, TV is competing with DVD’s!

No regrets here. Next step is now to improve calibrating skills – you know, polishing the turd.

Regards, Michael

Some of tonight’s screen captures from my PX50U… slightly “tweaked…” for ’ MinxMeisters’ viewing pleasure…
http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/DSC01204.JPG
Hey, I watched the Yankees last night on my 50px50u as well and have to say that games on YESHD through my SA8300 -HDMI- are absoulutely stunning.

I'm calling cablevision to get the CC today, I can't imagine a better PQ but if you say there is an improvement, I'm in.....

Gman

...side note, if anyone is on the fence re: screen size (any brand of PDP) I have only 1 thing to say: GO BIG, and then more. For kicks I sat 6ft away from my 50' during the game and it felt I was there in the field, full immersion, priceless.

Whoa...that's the first time I've ever come close to seeing the Pirates lose in HD...sigh...no HD love for the Buccos in Pittsburgh...

Looks good OPTIVITY.

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Whoa...that's the first time I've ever come close to seeing the Pirates lose in HD...sigh...no HD love for the Buccos in Pittsburgh...

Looks good Gman.

Not my pic... Optivity's (but my set looks the same!)

Oops. Fixed it.

Hey, I watched the Yankees last night on my 50px50u as well and have to say that games on YESHD through my SA8300 -HDMI- are absoulutely stunning.I know... the game looked even better the night before during Giambi's 'walk-off' home run. :)

I'm calling cablevision to get the CC today, I can't imagine a better PQ but if you say there is an improvement, I'm in.....

GmanGreat news... jump on the bandwagon... I believe you will soon share my 'dirty little secret' about our CATV providers; your panels renderings will most likely improve from what was stunning... to color renderings that are "dead on." Unfortunately, CC opens up a new can of technical worms... so be prepared for some smoke blowing to come your way; and it's not from Optivity. ;)

...side note, if anyone is on the fence re: screen size (any brand of PDP) I have only 1 thing to say: GO BIG, and then more. For kicks I sat 6ft away from my 50' during the game and it felt I was there in the field, full immersion, priceless.Agreed. I'm thinking 65" the next time around. :eek:

Does anyone know the size of the wall mounting bolts used in the 42PD50U?

Good deal my fellow 50PX50U owner... My only regret now is I wish my panel were even BIGGER! :D

Some of you guys need to step up to the plate and start experimenting with the CableCARD interface. This is the only way to see how these panels can truly perform. In my case… once the CableCARD was installed the panel went from rendering a great picture to one where the colors are “dead-on!” There is improvement for SD too. The downside is... most CATV providers seem to be technically challenged when delivering D* over DVI/HDMI/CableCARD so our results may vary.
Yeah - so far so good with the TV. I've been thinking about the cable card. Isn't there an issue with On-Demand though (i.e., doesn't support it)?

Yeah - so far so good with the TV. I've been thinking about the cable card. Isn't there an issue with On-Demand though (i.e., doesn't support it)?CableCARD communication is currently one-way so none of the On-Demand, PPV or Program Guide Services are available. However, IMO the "vast" improvement in picture quality for less money per month more than compensates for the loss of these services.

It must be some kind of improvement to go without a program guide...I freak when I reboot the box and it takes a half hour to come back.

They need to get two-way card going...no guide or VOD seems like the stone ages especially when you're talking about a few thousand dollars for a display. Of course so does hooking up the bunny ears to get OTA.
Lucky for me Panny left the cable card off the PD50 so there's one less thing I have to tinker with...

It must be some kind of improvement to go without a program guide...I freak when I reboot the box and it takes a half hour to come back.

They need to get two-way card going...no guide or VOD seems like the stone ages especially when you're talking about a few thousand dollars for a display. Of course so does hooking up the bunny ears to get OTA.
Lucky for me Panny left the cable card off the PD50 so there's one less thing I have to tinker with...Eh... how many time shifted recordings of "Joey" do we really need? :rolleyes:

Give me better a picture, that's all I ask.

I just spoke to a sales rep at Tweeter actually Sound Advice in Florida and as soon as I asked him about the 500U's he knew what I was talking about. He punched it into his computer and he said he expects to see them around the first week of July.

Optivity...how do you know what you're watching with no program guide? I bet you're old school, with a complete TV Guide collection like Frank Costanza...
Or....Do you sit there and say to the wife, "Damn...this show looks great. What is it?" ;)
Ha ha...glad you like the cable card.

It must be some kind of improvement to go without a program guide...I freak when I reboot the box and it takes a half hour to come back.

They need to get two-way card going...no guide or VOD seems like the stone ages especially when you're talking about a few thousand dollars for a display. Of course so does hooking up the bunny ears to get OTA.
Lucky for me Panny left the cable card off the PD50 so there's one less thing I have to tinker with...


the built in program guide is one of the reasons i'm waiting for the px500's. really glad to hear optivity's enjoying his cable card, I can't wait to do the same!

I have a 37' panny ED in my bedroom and both me and the missus love it, so....

Because we are building a new house we have decided to sell our 61' DLP (any takers) and buy a 50" plasma for above the mantel (the DLP will just look wrong in front of the fireplace). To this end I have got the builder to install a power outlet and cable outlet (not that it is necessary for my proposed set up) above the mantel. I have also had a 2" conduit run from above the mantel to where my components are going to live, for the cables from the DVR and DVD player to go through.

The room is pre-wired for surround (again all wired to where the components are), which leads to my main question.

Do I go HD 50" or ED and which one, do I wait for the new ones (the PX500)? Need to order in the next week or so to make sure that it gets there in time for me to install it in the new house.


I do not need speakers on the TV so which is the best model without?

From what I have heard/read and from my experience with my other panny 37" I think the Panny is the one.
I have a full digital Panny reciever
Scientific Atlanta DVR
Sony 400 disk multi DVD player
JBL speakers

Which cables do I need to get the best signal to the TV.

If I buy the industrial panel, do I need any extra input cards to do this?

Thanks fellas, all and any advice would be appreciated.

Brit

I finally had the opportunity to speak to someone working for Albany Time Warner Cable who is knowledgeable about CableCARDS and unfortunately he confirmed my worst fears. He said the digital sound output from an SA PowerKEY Model PKM600 CableCARD to my PX50U was being disabled by the "CCI flags" (http://broadband.motorola.com/catalog/product_documents/CableCARDpaper_sept03.pdf) being passed with the content provider's programming. He could not explain why I'm getting DD for some HD stations and not others only to say the optical digital interface of the PX50U handles the copy protection differently than their STBs. He’s looking for volunteers so anyone with a PX50U and DD receiver might be interested to see how their PDP handles digital sound output with a CableCARD.

It will be interesting to see if the 500Us are affected in the same manner?

BTW… He told me he’s using a CableCARD in a Pioneer PDP and really likes the picture it renders.

I wish someone would post a clear pic of the back. I want to see what connections are back there!

this is off a japanese px500 version. sorry, all i could find.....

You da man! Thanks.

[QUOTE=jrock65]I think that the PEAKS system has been a part of Panasonic plasmas since at least the sixth generation.

[Thanks, I thought the PEAKS technology was something new for this year it looks like there are more then likely no picture enhancement differences between the px50 and px500

I am a rookie to the plasma world and need a little help. I just got the 42px50u and I have Cablevision SA8300 STB, HDMI Outputting DVD player, and Onkyo Surround Sound.

The 42px50u only has one HDMI input, so do I use that for the STB or the DVD player?

If i use that for the STB, what should i use for the DVD player. I am not really sure how to connect all these parts and what cables to use. I want to maximize the picture and sound quality of my setup.

I saw an HDMI switcher on the web , to quote the discription The ex-tend-it 2x1 HDMI Switcher enables effortless HDTV source switching using a single high definition display. A simple and reliable solution, the 2x1 HDMI Switcher links any two HDTV sources (DVD players and satellite set tops) to one HDTV display. It completely eliminates the need to disconnect then reconnect multiple HDTV sources, saving time by providing a fundamental tool that brings it all together behind the scenes. When all three devices (the display plus the two sources) are connected to the 2x1 HDMI Switcher and powered on, you simply select which source you want to view on the display using the Switcher, the IR remote that comes with it, or any universal remote you program to work with the Switcher. I don't have one but plan on getting one when I get my plasma. Just do a web search for the Extend-It 2x1 HDMI Switcher and you will see information on it.

Getting a bit off-topic, but BritOverseas, there's no 50" ED set, so that decision's made for you. No speakers? You want the industrial panny, currently the TH-50PHD7UY. This year's model (...8UK) hasn't been announced yet, but should be out by the fall, and rumoured to have a narrower bezel than the 7UY. (The smaller (37" and 42") ED sets were announced, with a 1/8" bezel.)

Good luck... Perry.

Optivity: I am trying to decide between using the CC or a set top box. Which way do you think I should go :)

Sorry, couldn't resist the jab after all your CC praise.

Some of tonight’s screen captures from my PX50U… slightly “tweaked…” for ’ MinxMeisters’ viewing pleasure…


Thanks. I knew you were slowly warming up to me. :D

When, if you sort out the CC issues, feel free to PM with your success. I couldn't live without DD.

Thanks. I knew you were slowly warming up to me. :D

When, if you sort out the CC issues, feel free to PM with your success. I couldn't live without DD.I agree with you regarding D*. My cable provider says it's not their fault because they pass the signal without changes. My position is I'm not going to pay for something I'm not getting, so I dropped $50/month of premium movie channels. Just like any other technology there always seems to be a tradeoff: do I sacrifice picture quality and pay more for TWs STB or do I use the CableCARD which enables my PDP to render the best picture possible and have my DD sound output enabled/disabled by the whims of TNT-HD, INHD, etc.? There may be some engineering modifications to Time Warner's SA PowerKEY to enable DD, but I'm not counting on that.

If content/CATV providers aren't going to enable "copy once" protection for their subscribers who most likely comprise the bulk of their revenue source, eventually the implementation of D* services for private use will come to a grinding halt.

Time Warner has already lost 33% of my business because of this issue. As more TVs with CableCARDs are sold... if subscribers are going to be subjected to the copy protection paranoia of their content providers, this will only serve to slow the implementation of D* service and CATV providers may incur an erosion of their customer base/revenue source.

Optivity: I am trying to decide between using the CC or a set top box. Which way do you think I should go :)

Sorry, couldn't resist the jab after all your CC praise.

LOL! :D

I'm not too concerned with the clicking sound, unless someone thinks I should be, it's just kinda strange to be laying in bed with the TV off and all the sudden hear it click like its trying to turn on. I've only heard it happen a few times.
Scott

I had read Scott Tucker's post before I bought my set and didn't think much about it until I bought my own set. I am also hearing clicking sounds from my 42PX50 every now and then, even when the set is off. It is quite infrequent.

The sound it makes is the same clicking sound it makes when you first turn it on. I haven't noticed any other effect, adverse or otherwise, associated with the sound.

My setup is:

HD Tivo -> Component to panel, analog sound to panel, optical sound to AV receiver
Panasonic DVD player connected to panel via HDMI

I'm interested in whether this is common and/or whether someone followed up with Panasonic on this issue.

Has anyone gotten the service manual for the TH-42PD50U (probably the same info for the PX50 too)? I see its available from a vendor on EBAY pretty cheap, do a search on EBAY for TH-42PD50U manual.

I remember one cause of the clicking sounds being expansion/contraction of different parts of the display as it heats up, cools down. Don't know if that could be the cause in this case?

Has anyone gotten the service manual for the TH-42PD50U (probably the same info for the PX50 too)? I see its available from a vendor on EBAY pretty cheap, do a search on EBAY for TH-42PD50U manual.

I did. ;)

BruZZi - if you indeed got the 42PD50U service manual, does it give the details for eliminating overscan? Horizontal and vertical size and centering adjustment parameters?

BruZZi - if you indeed got the 42PD50U service manual, does it give the details for eliminating overscan? Horizontal and vertical size and centering adjustment parameters?

YGPM :D

I had read Scott Tucker's post before I bought my set and didn't think much about it until I bought my own set. I am also hearing clicking sounds from my 42PX50 every now and then, even when the set is off. It is quite infrequent.

The sound it makes is the same clicking sound it makes when you first turn it on. I haven't noticed any other effect, adverse or otherwise, associated with the sound.

My setup is:

HD Tivo -> Component to panel, analog sound to panel, optical sound to AV receiver
Panasonic DVD player connected to panel via HDMI

I'm interested in whether this is common and/or whether someone followed up with Panasonic on this issue.

Thanks for validating the clicking sound. I haven't heard mine do it in a while. It is strange that it will do that when it is off. I'm hoping it's nothing to worry about.

Scott

Occasionally, I hear a 'click-like' sound from my PX50U. Usually it occurs about 20 seconds after the TV is powered off.

There's been talk of the lack of memory for per input settings and the work around using the "modes" (e.g., vivid). But I'm trying to determine if there is memory for stretch modes.

For example, if I watch a DVD in Full, SD Cable in Just, and HD Cable in Full, can I switch around between those sources and have the stretch modes remain the same for each?

Thanks.......

There's been talk of the lack of memory for per input settings and the work around using the "modes" (e.g., vivid). But I'm trying to determine if there is memory for stretch modes.

For example, if I watch a DVD in Full, SD Cable in Just, and HD Cable in Full, can I switch around between those sources and have the stretch modes remain the same for each?

Thanks.......

Yes.

For example, if I watch a DVD in Full, SD Cable in Just, and HD Cable in Full, can I switch around between those sources and have the stretch modes remain the same for each?

Actually this does work. I just set Video 1 to JUST, Video 2 to ZOOM, and the TV tuner to 4:3 and cycled through all of them and all the aspect settings remained the way i set them up per input. So each SD input remembers what aspect setting you originally set it for.

As you probably know by now these TVs will not stretch or zoom any sort of 720p or 1080i signal - these signals will be displayed full screen whether it's from the Component input, HDMI input, or an HD channel on the TV's internal tuner.

Thanks both jrock and randywalters. Good news on the stretch modes. Too bad on the hi res sources. I guess the only reason you would stretch 1080i/720p is if it was in 4:3, correct?

Thanks both jrock and randywalters. Good news on the stretch modes. Too bad on the hi res sources. I guess the only reason you would stretch 1080i/720p is if it was in 4:3, correct?

Yep, basically. Although I'm watching all programming in 4:3 mode, even with 480i sources. I set the sidebars on "Dark".

It might be foolish, but I'm not going to worry about burn-in.

I'll let you guys know if/when my plasma starts to show signs of burn-in/disparate aging from watching 4:3 programming without stretch all the time.

Also what model year is it & it will be hooked up to HD Comcast Cable. Any info on this model would be great & is there any burn-in problems with this model? Thanks.

Please read the "rules before posting" thread: ie MSRP only.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=488095

There are quite a few long threads on the 42PD50 already, check them out. This is a new model for this year - it just came out a couple months ago. The MSRP is $2499. The new Panasonic models like this one reportedly have additional burn-in protection. There really haven't been any serious burnin reports on plasmas for the last couple years under normal home use conditions. Just don't leave one on with a fixed still image over night or something.

I sense that these panels are burn-in friendly. I've watched hours of Fox Sports, ESPN, etc. with persistant, bright logos, crawls, etc. No hint of even residual imaging.

Threads Merged!

Dave

I've never seen a plasma that couldn't burn-in. As soon as you get yours Bill1313, turn the picture (contrast) setting as low as you can stand it. I set mine at 0. Definitely take it off the factory set VIVID mode or you're bound to burn something, most likely your retinas.

Scott

I think someone here (or possibly another forum? Can't remember) recently did suffer burn in from playing a video game on a fairly new Panny plasma. The game had a static display of white "gauges". Not sure how many hours of use were involved. So when I recieve my 42PD50 later this week I plan to be quite careful with it.

A couple of quotes from Panasonic regarding the PDP "burn-in" issue:

"Burn-in, which is an uneven aging of the phosphors in a display device, can occur on any display that uses phosphors to generate an image, including tube TVs, projection TVs that use CRTs, and plasma TVs. Such uneven aging happens when bright, static images are left onscreen for an extended period of time, which can leave a permanent "shadow" that is always visible. It often occurs because the contrast and brightness settings on the TV are too high. Use common sense when it comes to your plasma TV; don't pause video games or watch TV stations with station logos onscreen for long periods of time, and use one of the many display calibration DVDs available today for properly setting brightness and contrast.

Over time, burn-in could be especially noticeable when stripes are introduced at the edges of screen to allow 4:3 images to be shown on a 16:9 screen or vice-versa. In this case the luminance of the stripe should be neither full-white nor deep-black. It should be either a steady gray, or should be varied so that the average wear is the same as in the center of the panel."

As for the logic used that compels an individual to ignore the manufacturer's recommendations regarding the proper care and maintenance of their brand new $2500 - $5000 [MSRP] PDP is beyond me? :confused:

I'll add that I think every plasma should be broken-in and Panny gives specific guidelines to do so. The first 100 hours seem to be especially important. My guess is that I'm around 400 hours or so into my new Panny and now feel comfortable watching unstretched 2:35 to 1 movies, baseball games with static score images, etc. After watching this type of programming I often check to see image retention and have noticed none of it. Of course, it helps to keep brightness down to sane levels.

I just ordered the TH-42PWD7UY and now have to decide on wall-mounting it or to use a stand. I've seen a few third party manufacturers of plasma stands, but there are so many.
Just wondering what other owners of Panny plasmas are using? ANy preferences or note-worthy setups? Any suggestions or ideas?

Occasionally, I hear a 'click-like' sound from my PX50U. Usually it occurs about 20 seconds after the TV is powered off.

I also hear clicks that sound like the TV is coming on and off well after I've turned it off.

Rich N.

okay, at this point i'm just flat out annoyed.......where are these px500's? Foos-man, any word on your delivery date? If they would just put SOMETHING on their website(worst site EVER by the way) like an expected date of delivery or something, I wouldn’t be so annoyed. But why be all secretive about it? No press releases, no pics, no articles, nothing to read up on at all!

The anticipation is KILLING ME……..wait…...you don’t think that’s why they do it, do you? See, that would be just wrong! :p

Yep, basically. Although I'm watching all programming in 4:3 mode, even with 480i sources. I set the sidebars on "Dark".

It might be foolish, but I'm not going to worry about burn-in.

I'll let you guys know if/when my plasma starts to show signs of burn-in/disparate aging from watching 4:3 programming without stretch all the time.

I am with you. I refuse to stretch or zoom 4:3 programming as it distorts the picture in a way i do not prefer. I will wait until the day comes when all content is 16:9 HD. I too am not afraid of burn-in. I also will let everyone know when burn-in becomes an issue.

A couple of quotes from Panasonic regarding the PDP "burn-in" issue:

"Burn-in, which is an uneven aging of the phosphors in a display device, can occur on any display that uses phosphors to generate an image, including tube TVs, projection TVs that use CRTs, and plasma TVs. Such uneven aging happens when bright, static images are left onscreen for an extended period of time, which can leave a permanent "shadow" that is always visible. It often occurs because the contrast and brightness settings on the TV are too high. Use common sense when it comes to your plasma TV; don't pause video games or watch TV stations with station logos onscreen for long periods of time, and use one of the many display calibration DVDs available today for properly setting brightness and contrast.

Over time, burn-in could be especially noticeable when stripes are introduced at the edges of screen to allow 4:3 images to be shown on a 16:9 screen or vice-versa. In this case the luminance of the stripe should be neither full-white nor deep-black. It should be either a steady gray, or should be varied so that the average wear is the same as in the center of the panel."

As for the logic used that compels an individual to ignore the manufacturer's recommendations regarding the proper care and maintenance of their brand new $2500 - $5000 [MSRP] PDP is beyond me? :confused:

Optivity, the only thing that has never been addressed on this forum, or any other forum i have seen including this quote from Panasonic you so graciously posted here for us to review. What period of time constitutes: an extended period of time. I see plasma's every day that have static computer images on them day and night and still do not show signs of Burn-in. Like i said you guys worry about it if you want. I really feel if you are smart and use common sense it will not be a problem. Also just a plug but thanks to all your post's. They have helped me out on a lot of issues.

I am with you. I refuse to stretch or zoom 4:3 programming as it distorts the picture in a way i do not prefer. I will wait until the day comes when all content is 16:9 HD. I too am not afraid of burn-in. I also will let everyone know when burn-in becomes an issue.Since I can’t afford to spend $5000 on a PDP too often, I prefer to follow the Manufacturer's recommendations regarding the proper care and maintenance of my display with resources such as: ’this’ (http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TH37PX50U.PDF) and ’this’ (ftp://ftp.panasonic.com/pub/Panasonic/Drivers/PBTS/papers/Plasma-WP.pdf) and ’this.’ (http://www.fcw.com/vendorsolutions/panasonicplasma.pdf#search='plasma%20myths%20white%20paper') My recommendation is a new owner of any Panasonic PDP should seriously consider following their manufacturer's guidelines regarding the proper care and maintenance of their new displays rather than some autonomous AVSF participant who asserts they "refuse to stretch or zoom 4:3 programming " on his PDP.

Optivity. What period of time constitutes: an extended period of time.When the plasma is initially installed, videophiles say it is best to do the
following:
y Make sure the display is in a viewing mode (aspect ratio) that completely
fills the screen (there are often three or more settings from which to
choose). The panel is shipped in this condition, in what is called the
“Just” mode.
y Turn down the picture control (contrast) to 50% or less.
© 2004 Panasonic 3
y Briefly engage the 4:3 mode to confirm the side bars are set to mid-gray
(there is usually an adjustment in the Set Up menu that takes the
sidebars from black to gray) to minimize the chance of burn-in.
y Return the set to a “full screen” (Just, Zoom, Full) position during the
first hundred hours of use.
y During the first hundred hours of use it is best not to view the same
channel for extended periods. This should prevent channel logos and
other fixed images found on some channels from being retained.
y Avoid any static images (video games, computer images, DVD title
screens, etc.) during the hundred-hour break-in.
After the hundred-hour break-in period, during the next nine-hundred hours: ,
y Continue to retain the picture setting at 50% or less.
y Limit the use of 4:3 aspect ratio mode (traditional picture size that does
not fill the entire screen) to 15% of viewing time.
y Limit the use of static images (computer, video games, etc.) to less than
10% of viewing time.
After one-thousand viewing hours, panels are much less likely to experience
image burn-in.

okay, at this point i'm just flat out annoyed.......where are these px500's? Foos-man, any word on your delivery date? If they would just put SOMETHING on their website(worst site EVER by the way) like an expected date of delivery or something, I wouldn’t be so annoyed. But why be all secretive about it? No press releases, no pics, no articles, nothing to read up on at all!

The anticipation is KILLING ME……..wait…...you don’t think that’s why they do it, do you? See, that would be just wrong! :p

Same here! I'm a n00b around here, but after reading up on everyone's comments and opinions I had narrowed my 42" search down to the 50u and Samsung hp-r4252.

But after seeing some pics and a LITTLE more info on the 500u, I really wanna know/hear/see more of it. Does anyone have more info for us starving 500u hopefuls?? :)

... I will wait until the day comes when all content is 16:9 HD...

Fair enough, but many of us would hate to deprive ourselves of Citizen Kane, Casablanca, Wizard of Oz, Gone With the Wind and so many other classics, to say nothing of all the new films released on DVD at 2.35:1.

Actually, the latter should not be as much of an issue as it is. Many films are shot in Super 35mm and released theatrically in 1.85:1 as well as 2.35:1, but on DVD only in the latter, for reasons that seem to make no sense given the importance of DVD's to film revenue these days. In fact, I would think studios would make alternate 1:85 DVD versions just as they do 4:3, and maybe they will when/if HD DVD's ever hit the market.

In any case, current plasmas are no more subject to burn-in than CRTs, and most of use did not spend much time obsessing about them (except when used with computers).

Follow the plasma manufacturer's recommendations and common sense, and burn-in is a non-problem.

In any case, current plasmas are no more subject to burn-in than CRTs, and most of use did not spend much time obsessing about them (except when used with computers).

Follow the plasma manufacturer's recommendations and common sense, and burn-in is a non-problem.Right, with the first 1000 hours of careful operation being the most important to insure the 'long term' performance of your PDP! ;)

Kudos to UE!

I was in Albuquerque over the weekend and got to see ALL FOUR of the 50 series Panys in one place That's a first, at least for me. Also the first time viewing the 50PX50.

For all you 42PD50 owners, you done good. It does look great (once beyond SDE range), definitely sharp and penetrating. But my favorite is definitely the 50-incher. It's surprising how much it DOESN'T look too big any more.

Bottom line: I don't think anyone can go wrong with any of them. Seriously. There wasn't a better plasma picture in the store, IMO, and that included Pios and Sonys.

my .01 (worth half as much)

Has Panasonic released the 50PX500U's yet? Any online dealers have stock?

Kurt

Well, the "logic" behind not stretching 4:3 material is simply: Dislike of distorting and further degrading an already crappy 480i picture > Risk of burn-in/uneven wear.

And no, I do not recommend that others follow this.

I did stretch everything for the first 150 hours or so, but not anymore.

Right now, I'm watching 50% SD and 50% DVD/HD. I expect the DVD/HD percentage to gradually go up as more HD programming is introduced.

I'll report at the first sign of burn-in/uneven wear, if any.

Everyone waiting for a TH-50PX500U, you can thank me...I just pulled the trigger on a 50U, so I'm sure the 500U will be released later this afternoon, and the price will somehow drop right in line with the 50U. :)

Well, the "logic" behind not stretching 4:3 material is simply: Dislike of distorting and further degrading an already crappy 480i picture > Risk of burn-in/uneven wear.I've become accustomed to watching 480i using the 'Just' aspect mode setting. Since it is 'just' 480i it doesn't really matter but you can improve your SD signal quality with the use your PDPs CableCARD interface.

Everyone waiting for a TH-50PX500U, you can thank me...I just pulled the trigger on a 50U, so I'm sure the 500U will be released later this afternoon, and the price will somehow drop right in line with the 50U. :)


LOL!!! Thank God! I feel like i've been waiting since January!!

...I did stretch everything for the first 150 hours or so, but not anymore.

Right now, I'm watching 50% SD and 50% DVD/HD. I expect the DVD/HD percentage to gradually go up as more HD programming is introduced...

I did much the same, although I watch HD about 80% of the time. (Less in the summer, while we are in rerun mode.)

I've become accustomed to watching 480i using the 'Just' aspect mode setting. Since it is 'just' 480i it doesn't really matter but you can improve your SD signal quality with the use your PDPs CableCARD interface.

Those of us with satellite don't have the CableCARD option. It depends on the program, but I tend to watch D* in 4:3, and digital 480i OTA in "just."

I tried 'justify' this weekend.....I like the picture but what I don't is the way the TV changes resolution. It is like there is a momentary flick of a picture, a black screen pause, then the change in resolution. I know this might sound paranoid but I thought if this happens all the time while I channel surf the TV might go pooooft! one day. And I *am* a channel surfer. ESPN is native 720, then there are 1080i and 480i. Of course, none of the HD channels justify. What I do is set everything to 'full.'

Panny PD50/PX50 owners - Has anyone successfully hooked up their PC via HDMI?
I'm seriously considering a Panny PX50, but I want to run a HTPC via HDMI. I know Panny says PC input on HDMI isn't supported, but I suspect they're just saying this to avoid having to support it. Anyone had success? Details? Thanks guys.

Panny PD50/PX50 owners - Has anyone successfully hooked up their PC via HDMI?
I'm seriously considering a Panny PX50, but I want to run a HTPC via HDMI. I know Panny says PC input on HDMI isn't supported, but I suspect they're just saying this to avoid having to support it. Anyone had success? Details? Thanks guys.

I think you are making a very bad assumption here. Panasonic is very clearly targeting the HDMI connector for Video and not PC use.

Too bad they do not have a CableCard board for the 7UY series.

- Rich

Greetings! Im in the market for a Plasma display and am considering the Panasonic TH-50PX50U. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thanks....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=505878

I've had it for a month. No complaints at all. Great TV. Sharp HD PQ was expected. Mostly impressed with the SD stuff.

Before you begin reading that thread, I'd suggest you grab something to eat, because it's gonna take a long time to wade thru 2400-plus posts! :D

FWIW, I saw one this weekend in a UE in Albuquerque and it was a very nice picture. Compared to the Pios, Sonys, and some second-tiers, its picture was "as-good-as-or-better." IMO

Greetings! Im in the market for a Plasma display and am considering the Panasonic TH-50PX50U. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thanks....

Ummmmm.....this thread is about feedback on the TV you mentioned. What you do is start from the left hand column and read a word. When you are finished with that one, go on to the next to the immediate right. And so on and so forth. Put the words together, and, voila! Feedback! :p

;)

I hooked my PC up to the PX50 via the S-Video cable, since my HDMI is filled and my video card's DVI goes to my monitor. It worked, but I can't quite figure out which resolution to select on my PC. I did it to see what DVDs looked like coming from the computer. They looked OK, not too bad, certainly not as good as component from a DVD player, but considering the S-Video source it was watchable.

Ummmmm.....this thread is about feedback on the TV you mentioned. What you do is start from the left hand column and read a word. When you are finished with that one, go on to the next to the immediate right. And so on and so forth. Put the words together, and, voila! Feedback! :p

;)

DanP,

That even insulted me. Shame on you. freddy14, take your time and review the last 20 or so pages of this thread. That will give you all the info you need.

Greetings! Im in the market for a Plasma display and am considering the Panasonic TH-50PX50U. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thanks....

There are 2400+ posts on this thread, but you could save yourself some time by searching for "TH-50PX50U". I got 114 hits doing that, which should give you enough feedback. (I got 53 with just "50PX50")

Or you could do what D-Nice suggested and start about 20 pages back, as most of the earlier material went up before the TH-50PX50U was released.

Some people have reported hearing a click sounds from their plasma, even when it is off. I have the 50px50u and I do hear a click once in a while when it is off as well. I am not in the room very often when it is off, so I can't tell how often it happens, but I have heard it. And it was a time when the TV was off for quite some time, so it has nothing to do with it cooling off. I have a cablecard, so I didn't think too much about it, figuring it may have something to do with Comcast communicating with the cable card, which I believe still has power to it, even if the TV is off, unless it is unplugged from power of course.

I also get a click sound from the speakers sometime and the screen blanks out for a few seconds. I wasn't sure if it was the TV or Comcast. I have determined it looks like the TV and have someone coming out to look at it. I began to notice this problem only after having the TV for a couple of weeks. I think it was there all along. I called Panasonic, and after calling twice, waiting for a couple of weeks for them to call me back, of which they never did, and waiting on hold for 40 minutes, they are sending someone out later this week to look at the TV to see what the problem is. I have it mounted on the wall over the fireplace. I am not looking forward to having to get one of the neighbors to come over and help me get it down to have them work on it. I hope they find something simple and not able to find anything wrong. I don't want to spend this type of money on something with problems.

As far as the reported green push or the yellows looking more like lime greenish yellow, I do see that from time to time as well. It does not seem to be an adjustment. It only seems to be noticeable in some pictures and only certain yellows. Most of the time it seems fine. Does make you go crazy at times wondering if something that looks greenish yellow is really supposed to look like that or is it really supposed to be yellow.

In general though, I do like the set. Great picture and am happy with it, pending I get the intermitant screen blanking out problem fixed.

DanP,

That even insulted me. Shame on you. freddy14, take your time and review the last 20 or so pages of this thread. That will give you all the info you need.

Yes, I think you're right.....I apologize. My dry humor is desert dry tonite, hehe.

I think Acherry2's view on the green-yellow issue is right on. Is it adjustable....only to a certain point IMO. Still, it doesnt' detract from my enjoyment of the 50u because the overall look is so appealing. I remember my Pioneer Elite CRT had red push and it seems like just about all TVs have something that could be improved. BTW, I built an attenuator for the red.....there were detailed instructions for that on the Hometheater Spot forum. You simply plugged it into the end of your red component cable and it worked like a charm. Unfortunately there is no green component cable so it is out of the question here. Still for the more adventuresome, you can get into service mode where perhaps you could tone down the green a bit.

Some people have reported hearing a click sounds from their plasma, even when it is off. I have the 50px50u and I do hear a click once in a while when it is off as well. ... And it was a time when the TV was off for quite some time, so it has nothing to do with it cooling off. I have a cablecard, so I didn't think too much about it, figuring it may have something to do with Comcast communicating with the cable card, which I believe still has power to it, even if the TV is off, unless it is unplugged from power of course.

I do hear the clicking sounds when the set is off AND I don't have a cable card so that is not the cause in my situation.

[QUOTE=acherry2]Some people have reported hearing a click sounds from their plasma, even when it is off. I have the 50px50u and I do hear a click once in a while when it is off as well. ... And it was a time when the TV was off for quite some time, so it has nothing to do with it cooling off. I have a cablecard, so I didn't think too much about it, figuring it may have something to do with Comcast communicating with the cable card, which I believe still has power to it, even if the TV is off, unless it is unplugged from power of course.

I do hear the clicking sounds when the set is off AND I don't have a cable card so that is not the cause in my situation.


Gremlins

Panny PD50/PX50 owners - Has anyone successfully hooked up their PC via HDMI?
I'm seriously considering a Panny PX50, but I want to run a HTPC via HDMI. I know Panny says PC input on HDMI isn't supported, but I suspect they're just saying this to avoid having to support it. Anyone had success? Details? Thanks guys.

I have PD50U DVI to HDMI and its pretty nice. I do have to use underscan options with Nvidia and Powerstrip to get what I want though. I am hoping to find the menu options to adjust the overscan in the TV. The 25U has this option and I have heard good stories with the adjustments, I just hope they did not get rid of the options with the PD50U.

Ok guys after a month or two of reading this forum my TH42PX50U is here. Thanks for all the help with this. I've been sitting on the fence for over a year and if it weren't for you guys I would probably still be stairing at my 32 inch something or another.

I have to say thought that the PQ really looks amazing even though I haven't had comcast out here yet for the cablecard install yet. They'll be here later this week. In the meantime I'm throwing in some full screen dvd's and trying to get through the first 100 hours with the contrast turned down and everything else your supposed to do.

I have noticed a single dead pixel in the bottom left corner though. At least I think that is what it is. Do these increase in number at all? Is there any way to get rid of it? Not that it's a big deal, the only way to see it is if your starting at it from about 6 inches away (don't ask...)

Thanks in advance

I didn't get my PX500U in time for fathers day (thanks to mscappa for the jinx awhile back :) ), but I did get food poisoning.

I called the store today and still no delivery. I don't know what's going on, but I'm calling back tomorrow to see if they will check with the Pany rep. Making me crazy.

;)I didn't get my PX500U in time for fathers day (thanks to mscappa for the jinx awhile back :) ), but I did get food poisoning.

I called the store today and still no delivery. I don't know what's going on, but I'm calling back tomorrow to see if they will check with the Pany rep. Making me crazy.

Congrats on the food poisoning ;) I'm almost as anxious as you are for you to receive your PX500. I can't wait to see some owner's pics of a N. American unit.

I do hear the clicking sounds when the set is off AND I don't have a cable card so that is not the cause in my situation.

Same here. Mine is fed by composite signal from my whole house switcher, and I hear it click sometimes when it's off. So, yeah, it's not the cable card. I vote Gremlins.

Scott

...I did get food poisoning.
More green push!!

For PX50/500U owners with cable-tv the choice is a simple one... your external STB is the primary cause of any color renderings that appear to be somewhat off on your PDP. Have your CATV provider install a CableCARD, which enables your PDP to manage the incoming digital signal. For the leased price of $1.75 per month, why not give the CableCARD a try? :confused:

For PX50/500U owners with cable-tv the choice is a simple one... your external STB is the primary cause of any color renderings that appear to be somewhat off on your PDP. Have your CATV provider install a CableCARD, which enables your PDP to manage the incoming D* signal. For the leased price of $1.75 per month, why not give the CableCARD a try? :confused:

I second that, I have CC in my 37" Panny ED in my bedroom and the picture is excellent. In fact that is what persuaded my missus to go for the 50" in for the family room.

For PX50/500U owners with cable-tv the choice is a simple one... your external STB is the primary cause of any color renderings that appear to be somewhat off on your PDP. Have your CATV provider install a CableCARD, which enables your PDP to manage the incoming D* signal.

What does a DirecTV (D*) signal have to do with CATV? I don't get it . . . .

I haven't heard the clicking sound, but then I'm rarely around the plasma when it's off.

;)

Congrats on the food poisoning ;) I'm almost as anxious as you are for you to receive your PX500. I can't wait to see some owner's pics of a N. American unit.


Me too!!!

I didn't get my PX500U in time for fathers day (thanks to mscappa for the jinx awhile back :) ), but I did get food poisoning.

I called the store today and still no delivery. I don't know what's going on, but I'm calling back tomorrow to see if they will check with the Pany rep. Making me crazy.


oh man, I never thought about it like that, sorry ..... :o

I second that, I have CC in my 37" Panny ED in my bedroom and the picture is excellent. In fact that is what persuaded my missus to go for the 50" in for the family room.

NICE! I'm sold. :D

Manual is on site at

service dot us dot panasonic - OPERMANPDF - TH42PX500U dot pdf

Direct link for px500 online instruction manual:

http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TH42PX500U.pdf

For those of you who report 'clicking' sounds...

What elevation/cities are you guys at? I can't remember where or when I read it, but apparently plasmas can be affected by the atmospheric pressure. I believe that they have trouble even operating at very high levels. When the glass is exposed to various pressures it can expand/contract just enough to possibly cause the 'click', especially when warming up or cooling off.

Just a thought...

What does a DirecTV (D*) signal have to do with CATV? I don't get it . . . .Sorry... a 'gross' misuse of one of this Forum's many acronyms! :eek:

Direct link for px500 online instruction manual:

http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TH42PX500U.pdf


SWEETNESS!! :D

SWEETNESS!! :D
mscappa: agreed. It's about time that we got some literature! I've been waiting patiently for something to read. Now that I've read nearly the entire manual, it seems that waiting for the 500U paid off (gosh: there's even V adjust!)...I can't wait to hear from some of our first reviewers!

Well, it looks like you cannot stretch an HD signal. Look at page 51 in the PX500 manual. It acts just like the PX50U in that only 480i or 480p can stretch (4:3, Full, Just or Zoom).

Well, it looks like you cannot stretch an HD signal. Look at page 51 in the PX500 manual. It acts just like the PX50U in that only 480i or 480p can stretch (4:3, Full, Just or Zoom).
thegamer36-

that is a pitty...can't say i didn't predict it, though...

i am pleased, however, about what is present on page 52: i'm glad that our "reports" from japan paid off in that there really is a POP/PAP/PIP mode. the resizing is limited (i'm coming from an XBR34 CRT where the panels' sizes were variable), as is the input selection, but it's better than nothing (i do mean that more so than it sounds).

For those of you who report 'clicking' sounds...

What elevation/cities are you guys at? I can't remember where or when I read it, but apparently plasmas can be affected by the atmospheric pressure. I believe that they have trouble even operating at very high levels. When the glass is exposed to various pressures it can expand/contract just enough to possibly cause the 'click', especially when warming up or cooling off.

Just a thought...

Great point i have read that also. I live in Florida and i have not had this clicking issue with my set.

page 59 of the manual indicates that this unit does have a fan. I thought other posters reported that the 42 and 50 inch plasmas would not have fans. I checked
the px50 series manual and they have fans as well.

I guess the fans are very quiet since owners report not hearing anything at all.

yeah, it's unfortunate, yet kinda expected about the HD stretch thing. I like the v adjust option though. :) I'm definitely happy to see the PIP feature(sigh of relief)! Also, the program guide has definitely exceeded my expectations. primarily with the keyword search features! the interface looks very user friendly intuitive too. kinda cool that they have a "progress bar" for the elapsed time of a given program. I’m also excited to hear it’s “hi-fi” sound! :D

"BBE VIVA 3D provides a musically accurate natural 3D image with hi-fi sound."

Ah, PC input on the back for the PX500. Excellent.

Also, it looks like the "auto" brightness adjust (aka C.A.T.S.) can now be enabled on all picture settings.

Here's a strange one:

To reduce the occurrence of after-images, set the
“Side Bar” to “Bright”.
The side bar may flash (alternate black/white)
depending on the picture. Using Cinema mode will
reduce such flashing (see page 24).

Sounds like the side bars have gotten smarter by changing based on APL. This could prove quite annoying but could be avoided by setting the bars to black.

...Here's a strange one:

To reduce the occurrence of after-images, set the
“Side Bar” to “Bright”.
The side bar may flash (alternate black/white)
depending on the picture. Using Cinema mode will
reduce such flashing (see page 24).

Sounds like the side bars have gotten smarter by changing based on APL. This could prove quite annoying but could be avoided by setting the bars to black.

This is exactly the same wording as in the manual for 25U series. (Okay, not exactly: My 25U manual says "see page 26" ;) )

For what it's worth, I've never seen flashing on my 25.

Quite a while back "BruZZi" gave us all instructions on how to enter the service menu on the PD50U. A member called "Jacx" went into the service menu and adjusted the green tint down a few notches. He claimed that it took care of his green push issue and it may help with the green push that a lot of us have and are still experiencing although it is only visible on occasion. My question is has anybody else tried this fix and if so, did it help? Thanks.

Thanks for the link. I reviewed the manual, and there appear to be some interesting features not previously listed, such as the IR blaster (an included accessory) to allow the set to control a VCR (or maybe a DVD recorder?) as well as the Zoom Adjuste feature and the adaptive contrast. So it looks like my patience paid off. Still, I would have liked dual RF inputs for both Antenna and Cable, and a second HDMI port, but all in all a great bargain for the price, IMHO.

Darren

Thanks for the link. I reviewed the manual, and there appear to be some interesting features not previously listed, such as the IR blaster (an included accessory) to allow the set to control a VCR (or maybe a DVD recorder?) as well as the Zoom Adjuste feature and the adaptive contrast. So it looks like my patience paid off. Still, I would have liked dual RF inputs for both Antenna and Cable, and a second HDMI port, but all in all a great bargain for the price, IMHO.

Darren
Zoom Adjust is also on the px50 series (page 25 of the manual).

But I agree that adaptive contrast (CATS) is a nice feature.

The IR blaster is useless for me, since no VCR or DVD Recorder could ever replace my HDTiVo. Now if the IR blaster would send out any IR commands not consumed by the TV, and plugged into a standard IR hub or repeater, that would be way cool. Plasmas beg to be wall-mounted and have all components hidden in the closet for the ultimate 'clean' look. Having the plasma itself function as the IR receiver in that type of setup would be perfect.

Zoom Adjust is also on the px50 series (page 25 of the manual).

But I agree that adaptive contrast (CATS) is a nice feature.



You are 100% correct. It is interesting that the px500 manual is more detailed, with an actual visual of the functioning of the feature. I did look at both manuals, but was looking for the diagram I saw in the px500 manual, which is why I missed it.

Darren

After reading about the vast improvement in picture quality Optivity achieved with his CC in his PX50U, I've been trying to get someone from the local TWC company to explain why this is so, since one of their techs continue to proclaim:

The picture quality of the broadcast HD services will be identical to off-air reception. Most of the broadcasters are connected via fiber and are providing the same stream that is being transmitted OTA. No compression is being done on any of the HD programs (broadcast and premium) currently available on the Austin system.

I support CableCards everyday at TW and what we find is that the Panasonic TV's generally work better than other brands. We have had some issues with Sony and Mitsubishi. Those issues are being worked through at our Corporate level with the TV manufacturers. One of the problems we have supporting the product is that it is constantly changing. Models come onto the market daily and the lists of supported Televisions is outdated before it is published.

Most of the customers with CableCard TV's decide to opt for the Settop box for it's extended feature set such as DVR functionality, guide, etc. Others just want to receive broadcast HD and do not need the cablecard for that.

I would like to respond to the poster that says TW lowers the resolution or otherwise changes the HD services.....All of our HD services are not in any way, modified. We pass all of them through our digital switch with no changes made.


Link to thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5484282#post5484282)

I really don't want to go through the trouble of getting a CC to find out that the HD picture quality doesn't improve substantially while loosing DD and the DVR features.

How many others have tried the CC and found a substanitial improvement in picture quality over the HDMI connection when viewing HD content?

Why not just add CC to your set-up? It's only an additional $1.75 per month.

Trust me... I have the 'fine eye' for detail...

My PX50U renders a picture (and yellows...) that is "dead-on."

For those of you who report 'clicking' sounds...

What elevation/cities are you guys at? I can't remember where or when I read it, but apparently plasmas can be affected by the atmospheric pressure. I believe that they have trouble even operating at very high levels. When the glass is exposed to various pressures it can expand/contract just enough to possibly cause the 'click', especially when warming up or cooling off.

Just a thought...

I'm probably very close to sea level.

Rich N.

I'm probably very close to sea level.

Rich N.It's not 'elevation' related. I live in Upstate NY, the Hudson Valley region. My speculation is the click-like sound being reported is most likely related to something to do with the PDPs internal power-supply/power-surge protection where perhaps during the power-off cycle... power is first terminated to one part of the PDP and then after some short delay the rest of the system powers down.

The fact that many of us report hearing this noise and for most 50U owners, our PDPs work fine... I believe this 'click-like' sound to be an inherent part of the PX50Us design and is nothing to worry about.

After reading about the vast improvement in picture quality Optivity achieved with his CC in his PX50U, I've been trying to get someone from the local TWC company to explain why this is so, since one of their techs continue to proclaim:

Link to thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5484282#post5484282)

I really don't want to go through the trouble of getting a CC to find out that the HD picture quality doesn't improve substantially while loosing DD and the DVR features.

How many others have tried the CC and found a substanitial improvement in picture quality over the HDMI connection when viewing HD content?

I think there is some confusion here because Optivity has proclaimed that the CC has improved his picture quality. IMO this is in actuality probably not the cause of his improved PQ. The CC allows the feed from the cable company to be placed directly into the RF input on the TV. The CC simply provides accurate mapping of the channels. Otherwise, the QAM tuner can get the stations, but they do not get mapped according to the Cable company's station mapping. There have been ample reports of this on this thread.

So why is Optivity's PQ improved? Well, because like GEICO, he has cut out the middleman. Your PQ is only as good as your weakest link. In this case, it was probably Optivity's cable box that was causing some degradation or change in the picture. Who knows, it may even have been doing some scaling. Now the cable goes directly into the TV and VIOLA, better picture!

Even with a straight pass through of a feed from any source, it has always been my belief that a direct connection from source to display is better than running through any intermediary or switching device, (like some receivers, stbs, etc.). Every connection extra is a possibility of signal loss, interference, or the like.

Optivity, any comments?

Darren

P.S. Comcast here in Maryland does not charge for the CableCard. At least that is what they tell me.

DarrenK - Well said and agreed. My experience has mirrored Optivity's and I think you've summarized the reasons well.

I have had no exposure to any kind of PIP capabilities. I read through the instruction manual for the px500u for which I plan on buying and am curious if:

I can split screen playstation and direct tv signal
I can split screen two separate direct tv channel from the same signal
I can split screen dvd and direct tv signals

Could someone familiar with PIP (specifically for the PX500U) tell me if the above is possible. Or better yet give me the rundown on what is possible with PIP/split screen for this model. Your help is much appreciated.

If you read the manual it is pretty clear....

The only things you cannot spit screen at the same time are HDMI and PC input.

So everything else can be done.
You want to split two direct TVs from the same signal??? WHat???

You would need 2 seperate direcTV recievers hooked up to both of the component inputs......but you could do it.

DVD and DirectTV would be no problem.

From reading the online PX500U manual, I see no major stated differences in zoom/stretch capability for hd sources over the PX50U models. Does anyone recall just how this feature was described in the Japanese model having this feature mentioned in this post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5727845&&#post5727845

If you read the manual it is pretty clear....

The only things you cannot spit screen at the same time are HDMI and PC input.

So everything else can be done.
You want to split two direct TVs from the same signal??? WHat???

You would need 2 seperate direcTV recievers hooked up to both of the component inputs......but you could do it.

DVD and DirectTV would be no problem.

I Guess what I am asking is can I watch a ballgame on espn on one side and HBO on the other through direct tv using only 1 reciever. Reading the manual, it was not clear but I got the impression that this was not possible (that it was only through two separate sources).

I Guess what I am asking is can I watch a ballgame on espn on one side and HBO on the other through direct tv using only 1 reciever. Reading the manual, it was not clear but I got the impression that this was not possible (that it was only through two separate sources).

No. You would need 2 D* tuners.

Scott

I read this about the new px500’s(see below), but the manual says it can only read(not write) still images off the SD card. Can someone shed some light?

“However if you've splashed on the PX500 or LX500 models, you can also record to an SD card in MPEG4 format to allow viewing of one channel whilst recording another.”

is this where the PCMCIA slot comes in handy?

from another site:

"The VIERA PX500 and LX500 series have an SD Memory Card slot allowing MPEG4 recording onto an SD Memory Card while digital double tuners allow simultaneous recording and viewing of two different programs. The series has intelligent TV program guides, a universal design based easy-to-use remote controller, digital photo playback for viewing still photos, an HDMI terminal and an RGB signal input terminal for direct connection of the display to a personal computer."

I read the PX500 users manual. I must say I'm dissapointed because I found NOTHING in there about 3:2 pulldown.

This is a feature I desired to make SD broadcast look better. As a lot of channels are still in this format.

Its better to get a monitor, then get the tuner box of your choice, with the features desired.

I wonder when Panasonic is coming out with their new monitors.

Oh well...

from another site:

"The VIERA PX500 and LX500 series have an SD Memory Card slot allowing MPEG4 recording onto an SD Memory Card while digital double tuners allow simultaneous recording and viewing of two different programs. The series has intelligent TV program guides, a universal design based easy-to-use remote controller, digital photo playback for viewing still photos, an HDMI terminal and an RGB signal input terminal for direct connection of the display to a personal computer."

That appears to be the Japanese model.

See this link: http://www.panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/en050406-9/en050406-9.html

I wish we got ones with two digital tuners here but such is not the case...yet.

Darren

In reading thru the manuals for both the new consumer PX500U series and the new commercial 8UK series, it seems that the 8UK model have more robust picture adjustments for each type of input

For instance, on page 20 of the 8UK manual it shows:
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TH37PWD8UKJ.PDF

1) separate and independant picture adjustments controls for H-POS, H-SIZE, V-POS & V-SIZE for video(s-video), component and dvi inputs

2) separate and independant picture adjustments controls for H-POS, H-SIZE, V-POS, V-SIZE & CLOCK PHASE for rgb/pc inputs.

but on pages 24-26 of the PX500U manual it shows:
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TH42PX500U.pdf

3) only limited vertical position and vertical size adjustments which are tied directly to the zoom mode only but no horizontal position or hortizontal size adjustments.

4) only H-position and V-Position controls & clock phase under rgb/pc inputs but no H-size nor V-size controls

Did the last generation of commercial models (7UY) also have more detailed picture controls than than their consumer counterparts?

Also of interest is that both manuals clearly mention the possibility of "after image" retention for 4:3 material displayed at its standard 4:3 size for an "extended period"

I must say I'm dissapointed because I found NOTHING in there about 3:2 pulldown.

This is a feature I desired to make SD broadcast look better. As a lot of channels are still in this format.

Wait, by nature, all plasmas are progressive. 3:2 pulldown is automatic for 480i signals, right?

A plasma can't display a native 480i signal. So it either has to do deinterlacing or line doubling, correct?

Hmm, good point. That means 1080i is always converted to 720p.

I think there is some confusion here because Optivity has proclaimed that the CC has improved his picture quality. IMO this is in actuality probably not the cause of his improved PQ. The CC allows the feed from the cable company to be placed directly into the RF input on the TV. The CC simply provides accurate mapping of the channels. Otherwise, the QAM tuner can get the stations, but they do not get mapped according to the Cable company's station mapping. There have been ample reports of this on this thread.

So why is Optivity's PQ improved? Well, because like GEICO, he has cut out the middleman. Your PQ is only as good as your weakest link. In this case, it was probably Optivity's cable box that was causing some degradation or change in the picture. Who knows, it may even have been doing some scaling. Now the cable goes directly into the TV and VIOLA, better picture!

Even with a straight pass through of a feed from any source, it has always been my belief that a direct connection from source to display is better than running through any intermediary or switching device, (like some receivers, stbs, etc.). Every connection extra is a possibility of signal loss, interference, or the like.

Optivity, any comments?

Darren

P.S. Comcast here in Maryland does not charge for the CableCard. At least that is what they tell me.Darren... What you said...

that is, I basically agree. I've owned HD capable TVs for about 4 years. During this time I've had occasion to use (4) different SA STBs. I've noticed an improvement with each newer generation of cable box but my speculation is they are not as efficient as the internal tuner/scalar/etc. of my $4999.95 [MSRP] PDP. In addition your assertion that "PQ is only as good as your weakest link," is totally correct. Individuals must insure every component used to build their in-home systems from the coax cable --> PDP has been optimized to deliver the best signal possible.

For PX50/500U owners in order to verify my assertion that using the CableCARD interface on your PDP improves the picture it renders... will cost you approximately $1.75 per month... so why not give it a try? ;)

From the pictures I have seen of the PX500U, it comes with a stand. Is this correct? And is it detachable from the stand?

I am stuck between buying either the 42PX50U or 42PX500U. Asthetically, are they the same or different. If different, which one looks better? Is the picture quality exactly the same between the two? Do they have the same picture adjustment options? Is there anything extra included in the 500U other than the obvious (ie. pc input, memory card reader, etc as stated on the standard descriptions of each).

I can live without the PC input and memory card reader. Is there any option that I just can't pass up with the 500U, or just save $$$ and stick with the 50U?

Thanks guys.

Darren... For PX50/500U owners in order to verify my assertion that using the CableCARD interface on your PDP improves the picture it renders... will cost you approximately $1.75 per month... so why not give it a try? ;)

I watch VOD too much to give it up. Now maybe when they get the two-way card I'd try it.

Rich N.

it's out!!!!!
http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?displayTab=O&storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&itemId=93883&catGroupId=24973&modelNo=TH-50PX500U&surfModel=TH-50PX500U&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702

it's out!!!!!Which compels me to ask this...

What makes the TH-50XVS30 worth $2500 [MSRP] more than the TH-50PX500U?

I seem to recall a Panasonic sales blurb proclaiming the 500Us were 'the same' as Onyx! :confused:

From the pictures I have seen of the PX500U, it comes with a stand. Is this correct? And is it detachable from the stand?

I am stuck between buying either the 42PX50U or 42PX500U. Asthetically, are they the same or different. If different, which one looks better? Is the picture quality exactly the same between the two? Do they have the same picture adjustment options? Is there anything extra included in the 500U other than the obvious (ie. pc input, memory card reader, etc as stated on the standard descriptions of each).

I can live without the PC input and memory card reader. Is there any option that I just can't pass up with the 500U, or just save $$$ and stick with the 50U?

Thanks guys.Aesthetically, they are very similar. The electronics/glass used to render a picture is essentially the same. The 500Us have a better sound/speaker system which IMO is perhaps the most significant difference.

Check out a comparison 'here.' (http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelComparisonResults?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&catGroupId=24973&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702&surfCategory=Plasma%20TVs&items=93883|93338|)

From the pictures I have seen of the PX500U, it comes with a stand. Is this correct? And is it detachable from the stand?

I am stuck between buying either the 42PX50U or 42PX500U. Asthetically, are they the same or different. If different, which one looks better? Is the picture quality exactly the same between the two? Do they have the same picture adjustment options? Is there anything extra included in the 500U other than the obvious (ie. pc input, memory card reader, etc as stated on the standard descriptions of each).

I can live without the PC input and memory card reader. Is there any option that I just can't pass up with the 500U, or just save $$$ and stick with the 50U?

Yeah the PX500 comes with a stand - all consumer models come with a stand.

The PX500 looks a little different than the PX50 - the biggest difference being the design of the stand ( i actually like the PX50's stand better ). The PX500's black border appears to be larger than the PX50's.

Both use the 8th generation glass so PQ should be identical. Both appear to have the same picture adjustment options from what i've seen in the manuals.

For me, i don't need any of the extra features of the PX500 over the PX50 and now that i see the PX500 lacks Variable Audio Output and has the same screwy single-RF either/or cable/ATSC tuner and is still unable to stretch or zoom HD signals i'm really really glad that i bought the 42PX50 last month instead of waiting for the PX500 to be released. I even slightly prefer the overall look of the PX50 over the PX500.

42PX50U:
http://www2.panasonic.com/static/models/th-42px50u.jpg

42PX500U:
http://www2.panasonic.com/static/models/th-42px500u.jpg

I am a newbie and I have a setup question. I have a 42px50 connected to a panny s77 dvd player via HDMI. The DVD also has an optical audio connection to my receiver. If i get a Cable Card from cablevision how do I get the cable/tv audio to my surround sound? I want to be able to switch between using only the televisions speakers (for when i dont want to crank up the surround sound) and the surround sound when watching TV. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.

I am a newbie and I have a setup question. I have a 42px50 connected to a panny s77 dvd player via HDMI. The DVD also has an optical audio connection to my receiver. If i get a Cable Card from cablevision how do I get the cable/tv audio to my surround sound? I want to be able to switch between using only the televisions speakers (for when i dont want to crank up the surround sound) and the surround sound when watching TV. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.Selecting the "speakers-off" option on your TV will disable it's sound output and enable the optical digital audio out connection to your receiver.

Selecting the "speakers-off" option on your TV will disable it's sound output and enable the optical digital audio out connection to your receiver.

Actually the Optical Digital Audio also works if the speakers are set to ON so you can either use the TV's speakers with the HT reciever turned off, or lower the TV's volume all the way down and turn on the HT reciever instead (This is the method i'm using).

The PX500 looks a little different than the PX50 - the biggest difference being the design of the stand ( i actually like the PX50's stand better ). The PX500's black border appears to be larger than the PX50's.

There's more to it than that. Hidden in that "larger" lower black bezel are two "woofers." Should make for much improved sound if you're just watching TV w/o your HT system.

From the pictures I have seen of the PX500U, it comes with a stand. Is this correct? And is it detachable from the stand?

I am stuck between buying either the 42PX50U or 42PX500U. Asthetically, are they the same or different. If different, which one looks better? Is the picture quality exactly the same between the two? Do they have the same picture adjustment options? Is there anything extra included in the 500U other than the obvious (ie. pc input, memory card reader, etc as stated on the standard descriptions of each).

I can live without the PC input and memory card reader. Is there any option that I just can't pass up with the 500U, or just save $$$ and stick with the 50U?

Thanks guys.

- I actually like the design and stand of the px500 better. IMHO, the px500 has much less of that grey plastic look and the stand hides your cables much better.
- Another big difference is PIP. px500 has it, px50 doesn't.
- As far as picture adjustment, it has adaptive contrast (CATS) which is an "auto" brightness adjustment on all picture settings.
- It also has an interactive tv program guide for your cable card(eliminating your cable box) which the px50's don't have.
- It also has an IR blaster to control some peripherals.
- I too am eagerly awaiting to hear that 6 speaker system!
- So it's not JUST the PC and SD card slots. :D

Actually the Optical Digital Audio also works if the speakers are set to ON so you can either use the TV's speakers with the HT reciever turned off, or lower the TV's volume all the way down and turn on the HT reciever instead (This is the method i'm using).
Of course one can always choose to: 'RTFM'

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/amp.JPG

- I actually like the design and stand of the px500 better. IMHO, the px500 has much less of that grey plastic look and the stand hides your cables much better. Aesthetically both models look very similar to me... a totally 'subjective' observation.- Another big difference is PIP. px500 has it, px50 doesn't. IMO... PIP/POP/Split-Screen features are 'basically worthless' without dual-tuners.
- As far as picture adjustment, it has adaptive contrast (CATS) which is an "auto" brightness adjustment on all picture settings. Which perhaps will drive one crazy when enabled as the PDP auto-adjusts brightness.
- It also has an interactive tv program guide for your cable card(eliminating your cable box) which the px50's don't have. An excellent feature for those 'using a CableCARD to achieve superior' picture renderings, I wish my PX50U had this.
- It also has an IR blaster to control some peripherals. ???
- I too am eagerly awaiting to hear that 6 speaker system! Another BIG +
- So it's not JUST the PC and SD card slots. :DRight. Given all the additional features... it's worth the extra $500... same as Onyx! ;)

-
As far as picture adjustment, it has adaptive contrast (CATS) which is an "auto" brightness adjustment on all picture settings.


Danger Will Robinson....danger! ;)

I assume this is something you can shut off. I don't like tricked up picture settings. Invariably I turn them off (color managment, auto flesh tones, et. al.) as they seem to do more harm than good.

In any case I look forward to all the impressions and reviews....the 500u has got to be one of the most anticipated TVs in this or any forum. Just don't hold your new bride too dear as she might disappoint. :o

Actually the Optical Digital Audio also works if the speakers are set to ON so you can either use the TV's speakers with the HT reciever turned off, or lower the TV's volume all the way down and turn on the HT reciever instead (This is the method i'm using).

This is the method i use too that way you don't have to go through the menu setup every time you want to switch.

Danger Will Robinson....danger! ;)

In any case I look forward to all the impressions and reviews....the 500u has got to be one of the most anticipated TVs in this or any forum. Just don't hold your new bride too dear as she might disappoint. :o

I think that's practically guaranteed.
Let the nitpicking begin!

If we chose spouses the way we choose displays there'd be a lot of lonely cats around here...albeit with great looking HT setups. ;)

Originally Posted by RandyWalters
Actually the Optical Digital Audio also works if the speakers are set to ON so you can either use the TV's speakers with the HT reciever turned off, or lower the TV's volume all the way down and turn on the HT reciever instead (This is the method i'm using).

Of course one can always choose to: 'RTFM'

All i'm saying is that the speakers don't necessarily need to be set to OFF in order for the Digital Optical Audio out to work. It works either way. I keep my speakers set to ON so when the chicky-friend comes over she can watch the TV using the TV's speakers without firing up the HT systsem. Works fine this way. When i'm listening through my HT system i simply turn the TV's volume all the way down.

All i'm saying is that the speakers don't necessarily need to be set to OFF in order for the Digital Optical Audio out to work. It works either way. I keep my speakers set to ON so when the chicky-friend comes over she can watch the TV using the TV's speakers without firing up the HT systsem. Works fine this way. When i'm listening through my HT system i simply turn the TV's volume all the way down.You are correct sir... I'm too old to have a 'chicky-friend' :(

Instead I have the 'wifey-poo' :( :(

I think that's practically guaranteed.
Let the nitpicking begin!

If we chose spouses the way we choose displays there'd be a lot of lonely cats around here...albeit with great looking HT setups.Along the up-side... with surround sound systems we can play as LOUD as we like!

Instead I have the 'wifey-poo' :( :(


Hey Op, better not let her read this post. :D

I read the PX500 users manual. I must say I'm dissapointed because I found NOTHING in there about 3:2 pulldown.


This is interesting. The manual for the new 8UKs not only adresses this, but shows how to turn it off if desired. :confused:

Originally Posted by mscappa
- As far as picture adjustment, it has adaptive contrast (CATS) which is an "auto" brightness adjustment on all picture settings.

Originally Posted by optivity
Which perhaps will drive one crazy when enabled as the PDP auto-adjusts brightness.

Originally Posted by DanP

Danger Will Robinson....danger!

I assume this is something you can shut off. I don't like tricked up picture settings. Invariably I turn them off (color managment, auto flesh tones, et. al.) as they seem to do more harm than good.

Why not try it before you decide?

Not everyone likes it, but it is one of my favorite features. (I have last year's version.)

Admittedly, my room lighting varies far more than most, going from exceptionally bright on sunny days (huge windows) to almost HT dark at night, but the auto adjust gives me excellent pictures under all circumstances. I calibrated my picture under my usual (dark) viewing conditions and let the set adjust for brighter ones.

It is not at all obtrusive, no radical changes when you turn a room light on or off, etc. Other than no eye strain at night and a bright, clear picture during the day, I wouldn't know it was on.

Of course, you can leave it off if you don't like it.

Hey Op, better not let her read this post. :DLike 'they' say... after 20 years of marriage... "the bloom is off the rose..." ;)

Question folks:
Does the height measurement in the Panasonic Manuals include the pedestal?
Thanks

Curious - Just judging by the specs, I'm not so sure the PX500 will sound all that better. Note the poorer frequency response and equal THD for the PX500. The only real advantage is separate speakers and an extra 10 watts. We'll see...

PX500:
6: (2 bass-reflex woofers: 6 ohms, 120 Hz - 2kHz, 10% THD) (4 tweeters: 8 ohms, 500 Hz - 15kHz, 10% THD) 26W Output Power

PX50:
2 (16W, 6 ohms, 105Hz - 20kHz, 10% THD)

Some observations from Housecors numbers.....those distortion numbers are not a good, though specs can sometimes be misleading. Bass extension is worse for the 500u, surprising since it uses separate drivers. High frequency extension is also better for the 50u though I'm not so sure how audible the 15k to 20k range is. Bass extension is, again, not a good. Bottom line....don't expect great audio performance from the 500u. Certainly not great bass though you can't expect much from integrated TV speakers.

After comparing the 50px50 vs. 50px500 on this link:

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelComparisonResults?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&catGroupId=24973&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702&surfCategory=Plasma%20TVs&items=93883|93338|#h1

I don't see the extra $500 MSRP being worth it. The PIP as mentioned before is not useful with only one tuner. My main use of PIP in the past was to watch 2 different TV programs and switching back and forth during commercial breaks, thus requiring 2 tuners.

The EPG looks like a good idea, but all cable and satellite STBs have this function. IR blaster for VCR recording: VCR is phasing out, and DVR do the same job better.

Why would a slightly more powerful speaker be useful? The attached speakers are used for routine TV watching, like for news, etc. Most people use separate sound system if they really want better audio. The 26W output doesn't sound like much at all.

I have no use for SD card, PC slot, PC input.

The panel is wider by 2.5 inches and heavier by 15 pounds. IMO, I like the look of the px50 better because of the narrower bezel.

Main disappointment: No HD zoom, only one RF input and one tuner.

PQ should be identical. For my purpose, I think the px50 is the better value. I will put the $500 toward other AV products.

Curious - Just judging by the specs, I'm not so sure the PX500 will sound all that better. Note the poorer frequency response and equal THD for the PX500. The only real advantage is separate speakers and an extra 10 watts. We'll see...

PX500:
6: (2 bass-reflex woofers: 6 ohms, 120 Hz - 2kHz, 10% THD) (4 tweeters: 8 ohms, 500 Hz - 15kHz, 10% THD) 26W Output Power

PX50:
2 (16W, 6 ohms, 105Hz - 20kHz, 10% THD)

In general, specs like these are only a very rough indicator of sound quality. By hi-fi standards, both are pretty bad (10%THD! :eek: ), but in reality they are fine for ordinary TV. I'd guess the PX500 design gives a little smoother sound, but I wonder how many people listen to their TV (as opposed to HT components) with a critical enough ear to notice.

I don't don't know why they would want to do this, but it's possible Panasonic is using the same amplifier in both, choosing to show more power for the PX500 by rating it over a narrower frequency range. Or, they may be using a more honest frequency response rating for the PX500. No way to tell this, as neither includes a frequency response +/- db figure.

The 500u may not be a good value to you because you don't value the additional features (and you forgot the additional inputs, BTW) as much as others. Your 'weight' toward these items is low but for others it can be high. Entirely subjective.

... The PIP as mentioned above is not useful with only one tuner. My main use of PIP in the past was to watch 2 different TV programs and switching back and forth during commercial breaks, thus requiring 2 tuners...

Panasonic probably assumed many people have ready access to a second tuner through a VCR, DVR, etc., or they combine OTA with cable or satellite.

It does seem kind of parsimonious not to include a second NTSC tuner (as they had in the 25 series) as they are pretty cheap. (But maybe the FCC regulation won't allow this any more.) A second ATSC tuner would be much more valuable, but they are more costly.

Actually, upping from 2 to 6 speakers and separating the tweeters to either side of the screen and dropping the woofers below the panel should do a much better job and separating the sound and adding a much wider and vibrant simulated 3D effect.

And don’t forget, they also have their "BBE® ViVA HD3D Sound " driving their
"hi-fi" sound! I love that old school reference! :D

Actually, upping from 2 to 6 speakers and separating the tweeters to either side of the screen and dropping the woofers below the panel should do a much better job and separating the sound and adding a much wider and vibrant simulated 3D effect.

And don’t forget, they also have their "BBE® ViVA HD3D Sound " driving their
"hi-fi" sound! I love that old school reference! :DHow did you get that: ® into your post?

How did you get that: ® into your post?

what do you mean?

Actually, upping from 2 to 6 speakers and separating the tweeters to either side of the screen and dropping the woofers below the panel should do a much better job and separating the sound and adding a much wider and vibrant simulated 3D effect.


In general, the drivers should be as close together as possible if they share a crossover and the frequencies are directional. Can you imagine a singer going up the register with the sound imaging starting out below the screen and then shifting to the east/west edges? With bass (especially deep bass) it is hard to tell where the sound is coming from since it is omni-directional. That's why you can put a subwoofer pretty much anywhere in the room you want.

In general, the drivers should be as close together as possible if they share a crossover and the frequencies are directional. Can you imagine a singer going up the register with the sound imaging starting out below the screen and then shifting to the east/west edges? With bass (especially deep bass) it is hard to tell where the sound is coming from since it is omni-directional. That's why you can put a subwoofer pretty much anywhere in the room you want.


are you referring to the woofers that are below the panel or the tweeters on the sides?

How did you get that: ® into your post?

what do you mean?

Pretty sure that he is wondering how you got the registration symbol into your post - "®".

How did you get that: ® into your post?


i just copied and pasted off the panny site. are you not able to?