the person in thisthread actually said the picture looked "very good", not terrible. How could it do harm?

I was quoting an earlier thread. Sorry to get everyones dander up. If you guys want to use it with a PC go ahead.

I ordered my 50PX500U Wednesday a week ago direct from Panasonic EPP, and it shipped from the Panasonic warehouse yesterday.

So the race is on! Who will get theirs first and post some pics?!?!?
Their warehouse is in Illinois. I live in Durham, NC. UPS delivered my XR55S digital receiver in two days. I wonder how long freight will take to deliver??

In looking at the PX500U manual, looks like the main advantage of the dedicated PC input are it supports additional scan rates/resolutions (1024x768, 640x480, etc.) I have found on a 34" display that running 1080i or 720P (which is what you would have to run on a PX50U thru the HDMI) results in too small of a font. I'm not sure on a 42" display what the optimum resolution would be in order to still be able to read text from across the room, but having the additional resolution support seems nice.

In other words: the PX50U supports 1080i and 720P. The PX500U supports 1080i, 720P, 800x600, 1024x768, 640x480, etc. Of course, since it's a fixed panel display it's scaling to get these and I'm curious how it looks.

I'm curious, too. My computer LCD looks dreadful with any input other than it's native resolution, but it's 5 years old and newer LCD's and/or plasmas — especially those designed for dual use — may have solved the problem.

As you mention, the reason Panasonic disclaims support for computers in the 50U is that many graphics cards do not produce a compatible signal, although obviously some do. The 500U is designed to accept all of the most common computer outputs.

Just called the shipping company, I am in Illinois so I am guessing I will have the first one, will be getting delivered very, very soon (not going to say the time in case someone tries to hijack the delivery truck!

So if someone can tell me if the mounting would be the same as the 50u that would be great so I can get this bad boy set up with the Peerless PLA-1 articulating arm.

Also my cable company said I would lose all "on-demand" functions, and the TV guide features with the built in cable card, but I wouldn't need to pay box rental and would just need to buy the cable card for $24. Since the TV has its own TV guide the pay per view stuff I could care less about.

...need to buy the cable card for $24...

Woah, that'd be a first. Everyone else is renting their card for around 2 bucks...

Woah, that'd be a first. Everyone else is renting their card for around 2 bucks...

Actually, when I called Comcast here in Baltimore, they told me the card is FREE. I am assuming they mean from from a monthly charge. I doubt they would give it to me to keep. And it was a month or two ago, they may have changed policies about that now.

Darren

For those who are buying at tweeter: What kind of deals are you getting?

The manager I talked to at my local tweeter said 10% ($400) off with purchase or warranty or cables. So basically, anything worth $400 is free with purchase. Anybody getting anything better or worse? Btw, this is with the 42PX500U.


Thanks.

Yes, thats right I saw it today at Howard's. Here are a few thoughts.....

1. Picture - Just as I would expect from Panasonic. Smooth, realistic, life like Colors, great Blacks. I did not detect any difference in PQ between the PX50 or the PX500. I have seen many of them and this store had all the current models on the same wall.

2. The design is a little questionable in my opinion. The bottom of the 42 is about 5" deep. The sides curve in towards the center back of the Plasma. Now what I really didn't like is the front. The speakers are hidden, but to do this the sides are kind of curved also. So what you will see is a three step process with three shades of Black starting from the glass and working towards the edges.

3. Limited menu options. Similar to the PX50.

4. The TV Guide interface does look good. It was not set-up so I can not tell you how good it works or not.

5. Did not see the "Neon Green".

6. Could not find how to make the PIP work. I didn't even see a button on the remote for it either.

7. The bottom of the Plasma is grey and is smaller then the previous model, but it does have a slight curve inward to it.

8. Did not get to here the sound since they did not have it hooked up.

I was not overly impressed with the PX500 now that I have seen it in person. I will now set my sights on the 8UY.

That is all for now.

Dave

Mods Note:

Pricing talk is not allowed!

Thanks.

Dave

which Howard's Dave?I'll go check it out this weekend.
thanks

So with all the curving, how do you think it will look wall mounted? Do you prefer the looks of the PX50U?

Decision made, analysis paralysis over. Awaiting delivery of Panny TH-42PD50U before the 4th of July.

Finally a convergence of Price and picture quality, and with help from fellow avs members. My wife and I have been drawn to the 8th generation Panny for months. I was having difficulty with the lack of per input picture settings and lack of documented 3:2 pulldown. Played with the different Vivid, Cinema and Standard pictures at several stores to see if this would be a work around and provide effectively 3 input settings (possibly). The final piece of the puzzel thanks to posts here, should the lack of per input picture settings or 3:2 pulldown be an issue after I receive the plasma - a backup plan for an external processor such as the Iscan Ultra.

Off to get the cables ready, and do some research for an antenna (Zenith Silver was the general recommendation if I recall correctly).

JCPZero

Decision made, analysis paralysis over. Awaiting delivery of Panny TH-42PD50U before the 4th of July.

Finally a convergence of Price and picture quality, and with help from fellow avs members. My wife and I have been drawn to the 8th generation Panny for months. I was having difficulty with the lack of per input picture settings and lack of documented 3:2 pulldown. Played with the different Vivid, Cinema and Standard pictures at several stores to see if this would be a work around and provide effectively 3 input settings (possibly). The final piece of the puzzel thanks to posts here, should the lack of per input picture settings or 3:2 pulldown be an issue after I receive the plasma - a backup plan for an external processor such as the Iscan Ultra.

Off to get the cables ready, and do some research for an antenna (Zenith Silver was the general recommendation if I recall correctly).

JCPZero

congrats....enjoy your Panny.

which Howard's Dave?I'll go check it out this weekend.
thanks

H.B. Store on Edinger.

Dave

So with all the curving, how do you think it will look wall mounted? Do you prefer the looks of the PX50U?

The curves are subtle, it will probably be fine. I don't know what you prefer, but for me its not my cup of tea.

Dave

Ok all. I went to a local B&M this (technically yesterday) afternoon here in Northern Virginia, thanks to a tip from mscappa. They have the 42PX500U (will get the 50" next week) in stock. They are selling it for list (or at least the same as Tweeter).

They had the PX50U, PX500U and a Mitsubishi on the same wall, so I got to compare them all.

As expected, the PQ was the same on the two Pannys. I was lucky, the simpsons was showing on fox, and I looked for the green tinge. What I did notice was that on _all_ the plasmas, the major part of the yellow was normal. On _all_ the plasmas, part of the edge of the cartoon figures, some of the yellow was green. But no more than expected when the contrast is yanked up to make sports and discovery hd look "brilliant". The only difference between the pannys and the mitsubishi seemed to be that the pannys contrast was set higher. I did not play around with the contrast setting, but it should be fixed easily.

The PX500 looks like it belongs to the Onyx line. What I am trying to say is that while the bottom part of the PX50 has the "plastic" look to the silver, the PX500 has a more "sleek titanium look". It's more noticable than in the photos I've seen so far. As I explained earlier in this thread, the "looks" are a deciding factor to me (my plasma will be part of my "furniture" if you will), and the added PC VGA input and the TV Guide (which looked good, but I didn't play around with it) are worth the extra $$.

To summarize:
1) Green tinge no different than on PX50, which looked fine with the Simpsons, and can be tuned out by properly configuring it.
2) Has sleek, Onyx quality (looks wise)
3) Program guide and PIP/Split screen looks good (as expected, no more or less)
4) Same as PX50 in other aspects.

That said, I had already ordered my PX500 with delivery for Tuesday the 5th, otherwise I would have purchased it in this B&M - Tweeter won't have it until Tuesday, and this store has it in stock. Plus this B&M offered it _with_ 3 yr extended warranty and free delivery. That costs 540 extra at T. I was able to get T to price match, though, so I got it for list including the 3yr and delivery.

Sorry to dissapoint anyone with a desire for a more "technical" review - I was in a hurry on a Friday night. I can post pics and test settings on Tuesday night for those of you with any questions.

I have read on this forum that the TH-50PX50U does not have 3:2 pulldown, but Vann's shows this in the features: Progressive Cinema Scan (3/2 Pulldown). So my question is, does the 50U have 3:2 pull down or not? Thanks

The curves are subtle, it will probably be fine. I don't know what you prefer, but for me its not my cup of tea.

Dave

Dave,

Just posted my "sneek preview" on the main PX500 thread. They had it in stock at "The Big Screen Store" in northern Virginia.

Here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5831308&&#post5831308 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5831308&&#post5831308)

I pretty much observed the same as you did, and everything was really what most of us (collectively) had predicted.

To summarize:
1) Green tinge no different than on PX50, which looked fine with the Simpsons, and can be tuned out by properly configuring it.
2) Has sleek, Onyx quality (looks wise)
3) Program guide and PIP/Split screen looks good (as expected, no more or less)
4) Same as PX50 in other aspects.

You're the moderator. Should we keep the "New PX500" comments here or in the
"Official New Panny thread"?

As for the PIP button, you might have had the wrong remote - the one I had (which was the one that came with the PX500) had a PIP and a "Split" button on the bottom.

I'll be getting mine on Tuesday next week. I'll play around with more settings then.

So with all the curving, how do you think it will look wall mounted? Do you prefer the looks of the PX50U?

I preferred the 500. It looks more "elegant" in my eyes. Matter of taste, really. Mine is going on the wall eventually.

For those who are buying at tweeter: What kind of deals are you getting?

The manager I talked to at my local tweeter said 10% ($400) off with purchase or warranty or cables. So basically, anything worth $400 is free with purchase. Anybody getting anything better or worse? Btw, this is with the 42PX500U.

Thanks.

I got the 3yr warranty and shipping included as mentioned earlier.

Just called the shipping company, I am in Illinois so I am guessing I will have the first one, will be getting delivered very, very soon (not going to say the time in case someone tries to hijack the delivery truck!

So if someone can tell me if the mounting would be the same as the 50u that would be great so I can get this bad boy set up with the Peerless PLA-1 articulating arm.

Also my cable company said I would lose all "on-demand" functions, and the TV guide features with the built in cable card, but I wouldn't need to pay box rental and would just need to buy the cable card for $24. Since the TV has its own TV guide the pay per view stuff I could care less about.

I'm guessing you'll win! :D Do post your pics when you get it - and let us know if you can get into the service menu. This is like waiting for Christmas morning! :p

(Ok, last msg for the evening...)

Looks like we have a race. I'm giving up on where I bought my PX500U 1 month ago today...called today and they still don't have it, said they received PX50U's instead...gave me the standard '1 week or so until arrival' BS line again.

Starting to consider the PX50U instead...$500 cheaper and it's actually available.

Hi all. I just purchased a th-50px50u today at Circuit City and it is going to be delivered tomorrow. I know I can't state the price I paid, but I didn't pay MSRP. I wanted the 500u but it is too wide for the opening on top of the fireplace.

Apparently not everywhere has 50px50u in stock like some of you found out. I was going to buy from Magnolia Hi Fi but they don't have it in stock.

Now I need to found out the discrete codes for on/off and video inputs.

Ok all. I went to a local B&M this (technically yesterday) afternoon here in Northern Virginia, thanks to a tip from mscappa. They have the 42PX500U (will get the 50" next week) in stock. They are selling it for list (or at least the same as Tweeter).

They had the PX50U, PX500U and a Mitsubishi on the same wall, so I got to compare them all.

As expected, the PQ was the same on the two Pannys. I was lucky, the simpsons was showing on fox, and I looked for the green tinge. What I did notice was that on _all_ the plasmas, the major part of the yellow was normal. On _all_ the plasmas, part of the edge of the cartoon figures, some of the yellow was green. But no more than expected when the contrast is yanked up to make sports and discovery hd look "brilliant". The only difference between the pannys and the mitsubishi seemed to be that the pannys contrast was set higher. I did not play around with the contrast setting, but it should be fixed easily.

The PX500 looks like it belongs to the Onyx line. What I am trying to say is that while the bottom part of the PX50 has the "plastic" look to the silver, the PX500 has a more "sleek titanium look". It's more noticable than in the photos I've seen so far. As I explained earlier in this thread, the "looks" are a deciding factor to me (my plasma will be part of my "furniture" if you will), and the added PC VGA input and the TV Guide (which looked good, but I didn't play around with it) are worth the extra $$.

To summarize:
1) Green tinge no different than on PX50, which looked fine with the Simpsons, and can be tuned out by properly configuring it.
2) Has sleek, Onyx quality (looks wise)
3) Program guide and PIP/Split screen looks good (as expected, no more or less)
4) Same as PX50 in other aspects.

That said, I had already ordered my PX500 with delivery for Tuesday the 5th, otherwise I would have purchased it in this B&M - Tweeter won't have it until Tuesday, and this store has it in stock. Plus this B&M offered it _with_ 3 yr extended warranty and free delivery. That costs 540 extra at T. I was able to get T to price match, though, so I got it for list including the 3yr and delivery.

Sorry to dissapoint anyone with a desire for a more "technical" review - I was in a hurry on a Friday night. I can post pics and test settings on Tuesday night for those of you with any questions.

Cool - thanks for the info!! Now I'm even more anxious for 'Christmas morning'. :D :D .

Ok all. I went to a local B&M this (technically yesterday) afternoon here in Northern Virginia, thanks to a tip from mscappa. They have the 42PX500U (will get the 50" next week) in stock. They are selling it for list (or at least the same as Tweeter).

They had the PX50U, PX500U and a Mitsubishi on the same wall, so I got to compare them all.

As expected, the PQ was the same on the two Pannys. I was lucky, the simpsons was showing on fox, and I looked for the green tinge. What I did notice was that on _all_ the plasmas, the major part of the yellow was normal. On _all_ the plasmas, part of the edge of the cartoon figures, some of the yellow was green. But no more than expected when the contrast is yanked up to make sports and discovery hd look "brilliant". The only difference between the pannys and the mitsubishi seemed to be that the pannys contrast was set higher. I did not play around with the contrast setting, but it should be fixed easily.

The PX500 looks like it belongs to the Onyx line. What I am trying to say is that while the bottom part of the PX50 has the "plastic" look to the silver, the PX500 has a more "sleek titanium look". It's more noticable than in the photos I've seen so far. As I explained earlier in this thread, the "looks" are a deciding factor to me (my plasma will be part of my "furniture" if you will), and the added PC VGA input and the TV Guide (which looked good, but I didn't play around with it) are worth the extra $$.

To summarize:
1) Green tinge no different than on PX50, which looked fine with the Simpsons, and can be tuned out by properly configuring it.
2) Has sleek, Onyx quality (looks wise)
3) Program guide and PIP/Split screen looks good (as expected, no more or less)
4) Same as PX50 in other aspects.

That said, I had already ordered my PX500 with delivery for Tuesday the 5th, otherwise I would have purchased it in this B&M - Tweeter won't have it until Tuesday, and this store has it in stock. Plus this B&M offered it _with_ 3 yr extended warranty and free delivery. That costs 540 extra at T. I was able to get T to price match, though, so I got it for list including the 3yr and delivery.

Sorry to dissapoint anyone with a desire for a more "technical" review - I was in a hurry on a Friday night. I can post pics and test settings on Tuesday night for those of you with any questions.

Hmm, titanium look eh? Now you make me want to get one.

Looks like we have a race. I'm giving up on where I bought my PX500U 1 month ago today...called today and they still don't have it, said they received PX50U's instead...gave me the standard '1 week or so until arrival' BS line again.

Starting to consider the PX50U instead...$500 cheaper and it's actually available.

Of course it depends on where you get it, but for me, the PX500 only cost me $100 more than the PX50 due to the price match.

Hmm, titanium look eh? Now you make me want to get one.

Didn't know how else to describe it - definitely has a "metal" look to it, as opposed to the more plastic look the 50 has. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the plastic look, but the 500 looks much more expensive.

I'm at a loss for words, guess I should post some other time than before bedtime and after getting up... ;)

Twilighter,

You can continue with the other thread. I only started this thread because I was the first to actually see one and thats why I posted it.

After you get yours you could start a new thread - "Official PX500 Owners Settings, Issues & Experiences!", or something like that.

What I have stated is only my opinion, I just was not impressed with the PX500 design, to me it looked too plastic and cheap. But whats more important is the picture and I know people won't be disappointed.

Good luck.

Dave

The little wifie just Nextelled me and said that our local Sam's Club has the TH-42PA25U for a shade under $X,XXX. That prompted me to go to the Wal*Mart online store and I see that they now have the TH-42PD50U for $X,XXX. I get another 10% of my purchase, so now at $X,XXX they are neck and neck for me on price. For about the same price is it a toss up on which to get? I gather from reading here that the PA25 has some more features than the PD50. I am inclined to go with the PD50 because of the reviews here and on CNET. Is there any other things I should consider? I assume that a Panasonic TH-42PD50U from a Wal*Mart is identical to one from Best Buy, Circuit City, or Sears

The little wifie just Nextelled me and said that our local Sam's Club has the TH-42PA25U for a shade under $X,XXX. That prompted me to go to the Wal*Mart online store and I see that they now have the TH-42PD50U for $X,XXX. I get another 10% of my purchase, so now at $X,XXX they are neck and neck for me on price. For about the same price is it a toss up on which to get? I gather from reading here that the PA25 has some more features than the PD50. I am inclined to go with the PD50 because of the reviews here and on CNET. Is there any other things I should consider? I assume that a Panasonic TH-42PD50U from a Wal*Mart is identical to one from Best Buy, Circuit City, or Sears

The PD50 supposedly has better picture quality than the older PA25, so unless the PA25 has features that you simply cannot do without i'd be more inclined to buy the PD50 just for the better PQ, which is usually the first consideration when shopping for a plasma. There is nothing the PA25 has that would make me choose it over a PD50 if i were in the market for an ED set.

Personally i can't stand the design of the PA25 which is why i didn't buy one last year, but at least it has a bit of a black bezel. The all-silver bezel of the new PD50 ruled it out for me immediately, but i did consider painting it black so it looks more like the HD version :)

Since the Walmart version has the exact same part number as the other retailers i'm sure it's identical. Usually if they're selling a reduced-content TV it will have a different part number unique to Walmart (similar to what Costco does). It's only $50 than CC's current price so i'd go with whichever you feel more comfortable buying from. CC's $39 delivery/setup charge is hard to beat though.

Since the Walmart version has the exact same part number as the other retailers i'm sure it's identical. Usually if they're selling a reduced-content TV it will have a different part number unique to Walmart (similar to what Costco does). It's only $50 than CC's current price so i'd go with whichever you feel more comfortable buying from. CC's $39 delivery/setup charge is hard to beat though.

Take in a printout of the Walmart price and have CC price match. I just had CC price match the PD50U to a store down the street from them (without even having it in writing). Paid $50 more for the PD50U than the last price I saw for the PA25U at Costco. Price matching is sometimes the luck of the draw.

JCPZero

Personally i can't stand the design of the PA25 which is why i didn't buy one last year, but at least it has a bit of a black bezel. The all-silver bezel of the new PD50 ruled it out for me immediately, but i did consider painting it black so it looks more like the HD version :)



The TH-42PA25UP (Sold at Costco/BJ's only) has actually a all-silver bezel like the TH-42PD50U. :)


http://www.glaucobruzzi.com/Attachments/TH-42PA25UP_pg1.jpg

TH-42PD50U
http://www.glaucobruzzi.com/Attachments/TH-42PD50U_pg1.jpg





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And come Tuesday, I'll be seeing a lot more of it. Wooohooo!

It was a haul, but I went up to the BSS and was able to see the PX50 and PX500 pretty much side by side. I didn't notice any differences in PQ between the two; both were beautiful. The extra features of the 500 and its appearance is worth the extra $$ to me. I thought it was pretty sexy. It has a swivel base to.

I didn't get any discount, but they're delivering and installing it for free and adding 4 years to the standard 1 year warranty. I'm happy with it.

Did I already say Wooohoooo!?

The 42PX500 has arrived in Canada at BestBuy. Demo'd it this pm but they only had a DVD feed Pixar's 'The Incredibles'. The display looks really nice in black trim, silver across the bottom with a Viera logo at the top left of the display. PQ very nice, much better than the recently introduced Hitachi HD right beside it. I cant believe Hitachi still having false contouring issues after going to 12 bit but unfortunately that's what I saw, doesnt look good for my 55" option.
Bottomline the 42PX500 had the sharpest most realistic colors on the wall of plasma panels in BB and dare I say the nicest looking panel, looks more professional much like the Onyx, enough to draw me to the 500 series. Now to wait for the 50" Panny 500 series model. This really is fun !

And come Tuesday, I'll be seeing a lot more of it. Wooohooo!

It was a haul, but I went up to the BSS and was able to see the PX50 and PX500 pretty much side by side. I didn't notice any differences in PQ between the two; both were beautiful. The extra features of the 500 and its appearance is worth the extra $$ to me. I thought it was pretty sexy. It has a swivel base to.

I didn't get any discount, but they're delivering and installing it for free and adding 4 years to the standard 1 year warranty. I'm happy with it.

Did I already say Wooohoooo!?


did you say swivel stand? really? built in?

I'm not sure if "swivel stand" is proper terminology. It's either a swivel stand or base. It's that silver thing attached to the bottom of the set in all of the pictures I've seen. It's not a cool electronic one like I've seen on some Hitachi's, but it definately swivels.

I haven't gotten mine yet, but the salesguy implied that it was standard and it looked exactly like the base I've seen in the pictures. I'll confirm this on Tuesday if all goes well.

Last Call before I merge this thread with its mommy and daddy thread.

Dave

Threads Merged!

Dave

I'm not sure if "swivel stand" is proper terminology. It's either a swivel stand or base. It's that silver thing attached to the bottom of the set in all of the pictures I've seen. It's not a cool electronic one like I've seen on some Hitachi's, but it definately swivels.

I haven't gotten mine yet, but the salesguy implied that it was standard and it looked exactly like the base I've seen in the pictures. I'll confirm this on Tuesday if all goes well.

That's the TY-ST50PX500 Pedestal Stand. :)

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BruZZi, is that what you get when you buy a TH50PX500 plasma TV? How 'bout the TH42PX500.

Maybe I should have explicitly asked if the swivel stand it was on in the store came with the TV. If it doesn't, I must find one.

Thanks.

BruZZi, is that what you get when you buy a TH50PX500 plasma TV? How 'bout the TH42PX500.

Maybe I should have explicitly asked if the swivel stand it was on in the store came with the TV. If it doesn't, I must find one.

Thanks.

Thats the model number for the stand that ships with the plasma, as per the user manual. Both the 42 and 50 inch have the same style stand, but a different model number to correspond with the respective plasma.

CatfishJohn, is the stand BruZZi posted the one you saw?

Thanks ryan.

I've never seen the whole stand as BruZZi posted, but it looks like the base I saw the set on at the store (which swiveled) as well as the base the set is on in the pictures from panasonic's site. It's kinda like saying I saw the suspect, but he was wearing a hat so I couldn't see his hair.

So, unless panasonic has pedestal stands that look exactly like the TY-50PX500 that BruZZi showed us, but doesn't swivel, I'd say that the TH-42PX500U and the TH-50PX500U both come standard with swivel stands.

Whatever may be the case, we should have confirmation by Tuesday.

Will the 500U stand fit the 50u models? If so, I'd love to see how one looks on a stand without the standard duck feet.

Thanks ryan.

I've never seen the whole stand as BruZZi posted, but it looks like the base I saw the set on at the store (which swiveled) as well as the base the set is on in the pictures from panasonic's site. It's kinda like saying I saw the suspect, but he was wearing a hat so I couldn't see his hair.

So, unless panasonic has pedestal stands that look exactly like the TY-50PX500 that BruZZi showed us, but doesn't swivel, I'd say that the TH-42PX500U and the TH-50PX500U both come standard with swivel stands.

Whatever may be the case, we should have confirmation by Tuesday.

Saw the 42PX500U at a N.Va BSS store today afternoon and it has a swivel stand. Had not read the recent postings about the stand earlier else I would have carefully looked at it. From what I remember, the base <> part of the stand was like in the photo posted by Bruzzi, however the next section seemed to be cylindrical and the TV attached to it, almost like the two parts of a cylinderical box.

The 42PX500U was displayed below the 50PX50U and the picture 'seemed' to be better, most likely due to the way they had set it up with 500U in vivid mode and the other with a more normal setting. Both sets looked great.

Will the 500U stand fit the 50u models? If so, I'd love to see how one looks on a stand without the standard duck feet.

No, the 500U and 50U stands are incompatible - the spacing of the upright bolts is different:

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/1976/50ustand3ct.jpg http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9750/500ustand9jj.jpg

I definitely preferred the look of the px500 stand to the px50, but now knowing that it swivels is yet another reason to love it!

I've never seen the whole stand as BruZZi posted, but it looks like the base I saw the set on at the store (which swiveled) as well as the base the set is on in the pictures from panasonic's site.

Some Panasonic Pedestal Stands swivel.

It's kinda like saying I saw the suspect, but he was wearing a hat so I couldn't see his hair.

What if he was bald ??? ;)

Sorry, I couldn't resist !!! :D :D :D

That's the way the stand looks. :)



Both the 42 and 50 inch have the same style stand, but a different model number to correspond with the respective plasma.

The base on the TY-ST50PX500 is actually bigger to support the heavier TH-50PX500U Model.






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A couple questions:

Do panasonics have any known ghosting issues (image burn-in)?

How long is the expected life of the 500U?

And say after 10 years when the picture is noticeably dimmer, how do I make it look like new?

Thanks guys.

I just ordered a 50U should I have waited for the 500U to come out?

It's already out correct?

I can cancel my order because it has not been shipped or charged on my credit card. I like the idea of a swivel stand and the looks but am not sure if its worth the extra $$$. What would you guys do in my situation?

Cancel, go to the store tomorrow and take a look at them side by side. Most major stores will have them on display by the 4th or 5th at the latest.

Then make your decision. The feeling of regret sucks.

The feeling of regret sucks.


Almost as much as buyer's remorse :)

Drivie

I've given up on the 42PX500U, after waiting a month for it to arrive, went back to store and cancelled. Ordered a 42PX50U from OneCall. Cheridave's comments got me checking the dimensions and the 500 is ~ 2" deeper than the 50, due to the flared/curved bottom portion. I will be wall mounting and prefer the slimer design of the 50. It is possible that the location of the mounting holes are above the bottom flare, causing the extra 2" to not add any depth when wall mounted...I would be carefull on what wall mount you are using as it could be trickey.

My PX500 is on the way and I'm liking what I hear! The swivel stand will be killer for my corner setup. So is the bezel shiny and deep black like the pictures suggest? I'm hoping it's much darker than the medium gray on the PX50's. Hey, how bout someone take a few pics at a B&M? I'm dying for a few shots. :D

Good to hear it's showing up at the local BB's...this was a concern for some.

A couple questions:

Do panasonics have any known ghosting issues (image burn-in)?

How long is the expected life of the 500U?

And say after 10 years when the picture is noticeably dimmer, how do I make it look like new?

Thanks guys.

The new Panasonic models have anti-burnin features.
After 10 years, just turn up the brightness setting to compensate - it will probably be at 50% or less initially when calibrated properly so there is plenty of room for compensation in the future. After 10+ years you may want a new model anyway for some new features or higher quality displays at that time!

I am looking for discrete codes for individual inputs for the PX50U. I have tried searching here but couldn't find them. May be I am not searching them correctly.

The good news is that using the JP1 remote 0250 device code works for the PX50U for the most part, including discrete On. But the discrete codes for individual inputs don't work on the PX50U (works on my TH-42PX20, though).

I am using IRClone to program a MX-500 and using a JP1 remote to get the discrete codes. I also tried converting Pronto codes found on remotecentral.com to codes for IRClone but they don't work either.

If you know the individual input discrete codes for the PX50U, please post here. Thanks.

My PX500 is on the way and I'm liking what I hear! The swivel stand will be killer for my corner setup. So is the bezel shiny and deep black like the pictures suggest? I'm hoping it's much darker than the medium gray on the PX50's. Hey, how bout someone take a few pics at a B&M? I'm dying for a few shots. :D

Good to hear it's showing up at the local BB's...this was a concern for some.


Yes, the bezel was shiny and black. If you look at the picture that BruZZi put up, I think I remember that the part of the border that has writing (Viera/Panasonic) is glass and part of the screen. I thought it was the sharpest looking TV in the whole place. That's very subjective though and some may find it less appealing.

From what I understand of the PX500's, they have built-in, non-detachable speakers. I didn't look very closely for them, but, visually, they are very discreet. Although I'm pretty sure they are there, I saw nothing that resembled speakers.

I didn't think about bringing a camera along. I'll take some pictures and try to post them here tomorrow.

I'm very excited. My 10 year old 27" CRT did me right, but a new bigger sheriff without a beer gut is coming to town. :D Its a good thing my new DVD player and HD cable will arrive a few days later. I can only handle so much excitement at one time.

A couple questions:

Do panasonics have any known ghosting issues (image burn-in)?

How long is the expected life of the 500U?

And say after 10 years when the picture is noticeably dimmer, how do I make it look like new?

Thanks guys.No burn-in if you treat the panel right (i.e. follow the manufacturer's guidelines regarding the proper care and maintenance of the PDP). The 500U is spec'ed to last 60,000 hours... over 20 years with normal use. After 10 years who knows how the picture will really look? I'll let you know 9 years and 10 months from now! :D

I just ordered a 50U should I have waited for the 500U to come out?

It's already out correct?

I can cancel my order because it has not been shipped or charged on my credit card. I like the idea of a swivel stand and the looks but am not sure if its worth the extra $$$. What would you guys do in my situation?IMO the additional features bundled in with the 500U justify the $500 up-charge. If you want/need those features is up to you. The PX50/500Us render the same picture (same glass/electronics). I've had a 50PX50U for two months and have absolutely no buyer's remorse. It's a great panel.

The 42PX500U was displayed below the 50PX50U and the picture 'seemed' to be better, most likely due to the way they had set it up with 500U in vivid mode and the other with a more normal setting. Both sets looked great.

Heh, that could have been due to me messing with the settings on Friday ;)

Seriously, the PQ should be identical (like most people have already pointed out.)

My PX500 is on the way and I'm liking what I hear! The swivel stand will be killer for my corner setup. So is the bezel shiny and deep black like the pictures suggest? I'm hoping it's much darker than the medium gray on the PX50's. Hey, how bout someone take a few pics at a B&M? I'm dying for a few shots. :D

I'll try to post some pics tomorrow, and from what I can tell, a bunch of others on the board will be receiving theirs, and might do the same. I hope you can wait that long... ;)

Of course, that won't let you compare the two side by side, if that's what you wanted.

Oh, and happy 4th of July! (For those of you in the US) :)

I am looking for discrete codes for individual inputs for the PX50U. I have tried searching here but couldn't find them. May be I am not searching them correctly.

The good news is that using the JP1 remote 0250 device code works for the PX50U for the most part, including discrete On. But the discrete codes for individual inputs don't work on the PX50U (works on my TH-42PX20, though).

I am using IRClone to program a MX-500 and using a JP1 remote to get the discrete codes. I also tried converting Pronto codes found on remotecentral to codes for IRClone but they don't work either.

If you know the individual input discrete codes for the PX50U, please post here. Thanks.

Same here. I got discrete on/off codes for pd50u working from remotecentral but input discretes did not work. I got mx-700 remote. if anyone got input discrete codes for the new pann plasmas, please let us know.

I like your screen-name. ;)

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How about toning down the Logo. Very bad for Plasma's including Panasonics :)

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Hey FOXNEWS,

How about toning down the Logo. Very bad for Plasma's including Panasonics :)

-- Rich


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Have you guys tried the discrete input codes for a PD25? Worth a shot. I noticed the new PX50 series has discretes available by hitting tv/video and then a number to select an input. Nice touch. If you have a remote that accepts macros, you could just use this new numbering system for inputs to get discrete functionality (ie. TV/Video, 2 for component 1.)

Also, Bruzzi (or anyone else), has anyone posted instructions for adjusting overscan on the 8th gen panels? The FAQ outlines SM access, but I don't see anything up yet on navigation w/in the SM. Is the new SM as intuitive as the old? Anyone adjusted overscan yet?

Here are my current 50px50u settings.......

Consumer Menu:

Pic Mode: standard
Picture: +10
Brightness: +10 (I lower it to +5 at night for DVDs)
Color: -4
Tint: -8
Sharpness: 0
Color temp: normal
Color Mgmt: off
Video NR: off
3D Y/C filter: off
Color Matrix: HD
MPEG NR: off
Black Level: light

Have not yet screwed around with the Service Menu.. but will soon

Occasionally i will use "bias" lighting: ropelight from HomeDepot

No green push :D :D, Skin tones look normal (to me). Spongebob is yellow like a lemon. :) :)

just pulled the trigger last night on 37PX50U...are these settings recommend for the first 100 hr break in period?

notice there wasn't a contrast setting listed so i'm going to follow post #2391 on this link below

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=505878&page=80&pp=30

still waiting for stand to arrive so i can unpack PDP and dvd player wahoo :D

Went to a local BSS store and they had the 50px50 and 42px500 together on a wall with a nice row of leather recliners in front. i didn't get a whole lot of time to play with it due to a “squatter” on the sofa and my wife and baby girl screaming at me to buy or get out! at any rate, it looked puuuurdy! completely met my expectations. looked exactly how i expected they would based on the UK pics I found several weeks back! wow boys and gilrs.....i don't know what else to say but....wow. i have to say i was very impressed by the 500.

IMHO, and truly no disrespect to the 50 owner’s, I just think they look much nicer. the glossy bezel and thin titanium bar across the bottom really dresses things up! The looks alone justify the extra $500 for me! Just looks like more of an elegant build, you know? However, beauty’s in the eye of the beholder, right?

I inspected the speakers in hopes to obstruct the "squatter's" view. :D but unfortunately, he didn't snap out of is trance like state while watching the incredibles(can't say i blame him). Anyway, the speakers seem to be hidden by a thin vertical perforated panel that run down the side of the screen(and I believe across the bottom). Virtually invisible unless you get right up on it like i had to do. i had to put my ear right up to it to make sure the sound was coming from there! The sound seems to be pretty dynamic too!

It is a bit thick at 5", but since i plan to use the swivel stand, not too big of a concern for me.

The PQ seems to be exactly the same as the 50 right above it. as far as the "Brits" claiming they see issues w/ the PQ, i didn't see any “horizontal line” issue or problems with the adjusting contrast. I looked for it, but nada? Then again, I wasn’t exactly snuggling up to the large gentleman on the couch in front of the screen! Anyway, I’m more excited than ever to get the 50” when it comes out!!

The PQ seems to be exactly the same as the 50 right above it. as far as the "Brits" claiming they see issues w/ the PQ, i didn't see any “horizontal line” issue or problems with the adjusting contrast. I looked for it, but nada? Then again, I wasn’t exactly snuggling up to the large gentleman on the couch in front of the screen! Anyway, I’m more excited than ever to get the 50” when it comes out!!

Cappa, what are you referring to here with the "Brits"? Did I miss a review or something? Please clue me in.

Thanks,

Drivie

I received my Panasonic TH42PD50U yesterday. All that analysis paralysis was somewhat for nothing - extremely satisfied with the plasma. I thought the limitation of effectivly three memory settings (Standard, Cinema and Vivid) would be too limiting - but I am finding the settings are actually close enough for both the DVD and SA8300HD. Using standard setting for the most part, but have set up vivid to punch up some of the NTSC stations.

First comments from the wife was how big the screen was. The delivery person gave her a look like your nuts lady. Although using a table top stand, I placed the TV at the furthest part of the TV cart. As we get used to the size I can bring it closer.

While hooking up the TV, Battlestar Galactica came on in HD. I thought the PQ looked great out of the box, although I know from reading here it will get better with calibration. The cablebox was on zoom, the PQ improved (obviously) even more when I took off the zoom.

Watched parts of Finding Nemo, Monsters Inc and Spiderman for 1:85 movies during break in. Spiderman is a great test disc for eyeball calibration, until I get a copy of AVIA or DVE.

Pleasantly suprised at the quality of the analog stations. When leaving in 4:3 mode the PQ as good if not better than my 32" CRT. During first 100 hours, using the ZOOM to eliminate black bars. Maybe after time and I can get used to JUST mode, not there yet.

HD looks outstanding. Using the PVR SA8300HD, watched "The Insider". Lots of dark suits, happy with the black levels on the TV.

So whether considering the panny PD50U, or HD panels by panasonic (since this thread has taken a turn for the 500) - enjoy your pannys!

JCPZero

Does the th50px50 have 3:2 pull down? The specs are not very clear.
Thanks in advance

Cappa, what are you referring to here with the "Brits"? Did I miss a review or something? Please clue me in.

Thanks,

Drivie


there was a thread started on the main plasma forum with a link to the UK version on AVS Forum, it's the AV Forums. Here's the thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=555868

Anyway, they are a bunch of UK folks complaining about some issues on their "pv500" the px equivalent. However, before anyone jumps to any conclusions, i suggest your read the dozens of other threads where they praise the pv500's! just like the US site, there are folks who love them AND those who prefer other models. Do the research as you would on this forum before you draw any conclusions.

Since I expect my PX500 to arrive tomorrow, I've spent some time over there reading the many discussions concerning the PV500. There are 4 things that are getting the most attention and are, in order of frequency:

1. "My new PV500 rocks"
2. There is some imaging processing feature dealing with auto adjustment of contrast levels that many people can see and a few are unhappy with. A way to disable the feature, if it exists, has not yet been found.
3. Some folks have seen a thin horizontal line in the middle of the display when a static image is being displayed.
4. A few reports of low frequency hum.

I'm not particularly concerned. From what I gather, these sets have been selling very well and even the ones who seem to be bothered by the contrast adjustments are very impressed with the PQ.

I am so totally looking forward to tomorrow.

Same here. I got discrete on/off codes for pd50u working from remotecentral but input discretes did not work. I got mx-700 remote. if anyone got input discrete codes for the new pann plasmas, please let us know.

Aside from trying to obtain those somewhate elusive discrete input codes, how do you like the performance of the MX-700 so far, especially its interaction with panny 50u/500u displays?

IMHO, and truly no disrespect to the 50 owner’s, I just think they look much nicer. the glossy bezel and thin titanium bar across the bottom really dresses things up! The looks alone justify the extra $500 for me! Just looks like more of an elegant build, you know? However, beauty’s in the eye of the beholder, right?



I'm personally surprised that a flat panel can generate so much in the way of stylistic critique. With the 50, ya got the screen, dark gray bezel surrounding it, and token speakers encased in a perforated metallic colored enclosure, spanning all of about 2 inches along the length of bottom bezel. That's it. It's not like an old console TV, or the current RPTVs where the cabinet is substantial enough to be considered part of the room's decor. Maybe I'm just a room decor idiot (don't answer that! :p) but I can't see how one can be critical of such a neutral design.

How is the PX500’s HD stretch working?

Am I sensing a bit of sarcasm?

How is the PX500’s HD stretch working?

Works Great !! But apparently only in Japan :D

Pic Mode: standard
Picture: +10
Brightness: +10 (I lower it to +5 at night for DVDs)
Color: -4
Tint: -8
Sharpness: 0
Color temp: normal
Color Mgmt: off
Video NR: off
3D Y/C filter: off
Color Matrix: HD
MPEG NR: off
Black Level: light

any idea if these settings are safe for the first 100 hrs?

That brit site is great. "Oh bloody hell...What's wrong with my tele?" :D

Hopefully Panasonic has used the time between the UK and US launch to correct the problems mentioned on UK units. Also, since they're PAL displays, the offending hardware/software may not even apply on our shores. There have been no such complains on the PX's here thus far and the PX500 shouldn't be significantly different internally.

You guys are getting out of control :) Scouring the planet for similar models in other countries to find information and possible problems. It's all Panasonic's fault. They've been dangling the PX500 carrot for too long.

Hearing how nice the PX500 looks is making me a bit sad, since I just ordered the PX50U. I think to cheer myself up I'll take the $500 and put it towards an LCD for the bedroom. The generic LCD models are getting good reviews and the 27-32" model price point is under attack...woohoo.

Have you guys tried the discrete input codes for a PD25? Worth a shot. I noticed the new PX50 series has discretes available by hitting tv/video and then a number to select an input. Nice touch. If you have a remote that accepts macros, you could just use this new numbering system for inputs to get discrete functionality (ie. TV/Video, 2 for component 1.)

Housecor, thanks for the tip on using TV/Video and numbers for discrete input selections! May be this is the reason why there is no discrete codes for inputs. I got TV/Video+Number programmed to the startup marcos in my MX-500. I still wish there were discrete codes for the inputs, but this is usable. One problem is that the TV start up time is about 9 seconds. It won't accept TV/Video until 9 seconds after Power On. I had to put a long wait in between to make it work.

How is the PX500’s HD stretch working?

Am I sensing a bit of sarcasm?

Right. Panasonic doesn't support HD stretch/zoom for any of it's PDPs, which IMO... is a very serious limitation.

How is the PX500’s HD stretch working?

Works Great !! But apparently only in Japan :D

Right. Panasonic doesn't support HD stretch/zoom for any of it's PDPs, which IMO... is a very serious limitation.

An AVS member reported months ago from the electronics district of Tokyo that the Japanese 500 model s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d in HD!!

Am I correct to conclude from optivityp’s and RandyWalter’s post above that:
1) the report from Japan was mistaken and
2) it is specifically known that the 500 doesn’t stretch?

If so, that is a bummer to those counting on it.

An AVS member reported months ago from the electronics district of Tokyo that the Japanese 500 model s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d in HD!!

Am I correct to conclude from optivityp’s and RandyWalter’s post above that:
1) the report from Japan was mistaken and
2) it is specifically known that the 500 doesn’t stretch?

If so, that is a bummer to those counting on it.Check-out page 51 of the operator's manual for the '42/50PX500U.' (http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TH42PX500U.PDF)

Well I pulled the trigger on the TH-42PX50U yesterday...(from a very reputable company that is listed with the BBB). Best price I could find, actually its less that circuit city..

Anyway, I appreciate all the advice on here, been following this thread and had it narrowed down to the 37px50u and the 42px50u.
(see: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5841121)
Will report on my findings when it arrives.. (7-10 days)..

-t

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An AVS member reported months ago from the electronics district of Tokyo that the Japanese 500 model s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d in HD!!

Am I correct to conclude from optivityp’s and RandyWalter’s post above that:
1) the report from Japan was mistaken and
2) it is specifically known that the 500 doesn’t stretch?



Not correct.
The Japanese model does stretch in HD. There are other differences as well.

Han

Why would you stretch a HD picture anyway? HD is supposed to be 16X9 , isn't it? The manual says the stretch will work according to the source signal and not the type of input. My Pioneer 510, for example, doesn't stretch if the input is the components even if the signal is 480I/P. My understanding is that the Panny will stretch any source but the 720P or 1080I. If your cable box upconverts everything when using components or HDMI, you won't be able to stretch. If the box has a "pass through" option and the signal is 480I/P the display can stretch the picture even if you are using components or HDMI. DVD in interlace or progressive mode should be fine. DVD upconverted to 720/1080 will not be stretched.

I think all the fuzz about the Japanese model stretching HD is because probably in Japan the boxes don't upconvert the signal therefore the display can stretch what is supposd to be stretched. The real HD picture should not be stretched anyway, right?

Just hope I didn't make anybody even more lost....

Check-out page 51 of the operator's manual for the '42/50PX500U.' (http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TH42PX500U.PDF)

It says:

Note:
The available aspect modes depend on the receiving signal.
• 480i (4:3), 480i (16:9), 480p (4:3), 480p (16:9) : 4:3, Full, Just or Zoom
• 1080i / 720p : 16:9 only

I find it odd that aside from the Japanese market PX500U, no other Panny plasma in history seems to be able to stretch HD signals. I wonder why the Japanese model gets this and nobody else does?

It also makes me wonder if there's a setting that can be changed in the Service Menu that will enable HD stretching on the non-Japanese market units? Like maybe on the PX50 as well ? :D

Right. Panasonic doesn't support HD stretch/zoom for any of it's PDPs, which IMO... is a very serious limitation.
My Panasonic LCD doesn't do it either. This was really annoying last night. I was watching NBC HD and it was a 16x9 aspect show floating in the middle of my 16x9 screen. It had a ~5" border around the whole thing. I think it was just a problem with the signal (it corrected itself after about 10 minutes,) but I still wish I could have zoomed it.

It says:

It also makes me wonder if there's a setting that can be changed in the Service Menu that will enable HD stretching on the non-Japanese market units? Like maybe on the PX50 as well ? :D

my same thought....... anyone bold enought to "really" screw around with the service menu yet? How about the infamous SubPixelControl?

Gman

Why would you stretch a HD picture anyway? HD is supposed to be 16X9 , isn't it?...

HD is 16:9, but a number of shows that were shot 4:3 SD are broadcast in 1080i or 720p with side bars part of the transmission. The receiver "sees" that as a 16:9 picture. Some people want to get rid of these "built-in" side bars.

My guess is that Panasonic is trying to protect people from themselves by removing an option that permits them to screw up a "regular" HD picture. Or avoid having to deal with the inevitable service calls that would result. After all, manufacturers still get calls from people complaining about "faulty" equipment that they have failed to plug in. :rolleyes:

Maybe the feature is available in Japan because they have more respect for the Japanese consumer's technical IQ. ;)

Our local ABC station solves the problem by stretching all 4:3 material to 16:9. Lots of complaints about that, too. :)

...This was really annoying last night. I was watching NBC HD and it was a 16x9 aspect show floating in the middle of my 16x9 screen. It had a ~5" border around the whole thing. I think it was just a problem with the signal (it corrected itself after about 10 minutes,) but I still wish I could have zoomed it.

That seems to be an NBC thing. It happens a lot, but usually lasts only for a couple of minutes, usually ending after the first commercial break.

I thought it might be our local station's fault, but apparently not.

Pic Mode: standard
Picture: +10
Brightness: +10 (I lower it to +5 at night for DVDs)
Color: -4
Tint: -8
Sharpness: 0
Color temp: normal
Color Mgmt: off
Video NR: off
3D Y/C filter: off
Color Matrix: HD
MPEG NR: off
Black Level: light

any idea if these settings are safe for the first 100 hrs?

morning bump...still unanswered :rolleyes:

Why would you stretch a HD picture anyway? HD is supposed to be 16X9 , isn't it? The manual says the stretch will work according to the source signal and not the type of input. My Pioneer 510, for example, doesn't stretch if the input is the components even if the signal is 480I/P. My understanding is that the Panny will stretch any source but the 720P or 1080I. If your cable box upconverts everything when using components or HDMI, you won't be able to stretch. If the box has a "pass through" option and the signal is 480I/P the display can stretch the picture even if you are using components or HDMI. DVD in interlace or progressive mode should be fine. DVD upconverted to 720/1080 will not be stretched.

I think all the fuzz about the Japanese model stretching HD is because probably in Japan the boxes don't upconvert the signal therefore the display can stretch what is supposd to be stretched. The real HD picture should not be stretched anyway, right?
It's true that one doesn't need to stretch HD because it's always 16:9, but the problem arises when you want to watch a non-HD show on the clear clean digital channels, like local news and daytime programming for instance. The program is 4:3 but the broadcaster adds the black bars left and right and transmits the final product in 720p or 1080i. The TV sees the signal is "HD" even though it's showing in 4:3 and disables Aspect Control so we're stuck with the black bars.

I would love to be able to watch my local news programs on the clean clear digital channels and use the TV's JUST setting. Most of the cable STBs have a ZOOM mode or STRETCH mode but neither of these are as good as the Panny JUST mode. This is the biggest peeve i have against my 42PX50.

However, you can use the TV's JUST and ZOOM modes when watching non-HD channels through the Component input as long as you have the STB to pass-through 480i and/or 480p, but the SD PQ via Component looks poor compared to the same channel on the S-Video/Composite input.

Not correct.
The Japanese model does stretch in HD. There are other differences as well.
Han

Thanks for clarifying it Han. Everyone appreciated your early eye-ball of the Japanese model awhile ago. Also, everyone knows Panny models in other countries do not always parallel the US models.

Why would you stretch a HD picture anyway?
Because my girlfriend told me that I will be sleeping with the dog if she has to watch a single black bar – no matter how distorted the picture is without the bars.

I bought the 37PX50 a couple of weeks ago and am experiencing some problems with the ATSC tuner.

Basically every couple of days it decides it doesn't want to receive a particular channel. When I change to the station I get a "Poor signal quality" message and a blank screen. All other stations work perfectly.

If I go back into the channel selection menu and re-run the auto channel scan it will find the station again.

A few days later and a different channel will disappear. Do the same auto-scan thing and it comes back.

Anyone else using the ATSC OTA tuner experiencing the same issues? I don't want to pack this thing up and return it!

Ok. The problem seems to be basically restricted to the OTA digital channels and the major broacaster in HD trough cableboxes. With my setup I solve this problem switching the input to the S-VIDEO and stretching it. The picture doesn't suffer too much (remember, this is NOT a true HD ) and I only have to hit one extra key on the RC. With the OTA digital coming from the antenna there is nothing that can be done. ESPN HD seems to address the problem with a "funny" bar when transmitting SD. My local CBS does the same with the gray bar.

It's true that one doesn't need to stretch HD because it's always 16:9, but the problem arises when you want to watch a non-HD show on the clear clean digital channels, like local news and daytime programming for instance. The program is 4:3 but the broadcaster adds the black bars left and right and transmits the final product in 720p or 1080i. The TV sees the signal is "HD" even though it's showing in 4:3 and disables Aspect Control so we're stuck with the black bars.

I would love to be able to watch my local news programs on the clean clear digital channels and use the TV's JUST setting. Most of the cable STBs have a ZOOM mode or STRETCH mode but neither of these are as good as the Panny JUST mode. This is the biggest peeve i have against my 42PX50.

However, you can use the TV's JUST and ZOOM modes when watching non-HD channels through the Component input as long as you have the STB to pass-through 480i and/or 480p, but the SD PQ via Component looks poor compared to the same channel on the S-Video/Composite input.
this is probably a very stupid question but oh well. How do you use the panny's just mode with the cable box? For instance, if I set the cable box to "4:3" mode, but set the tv to just, the cable box only sends 4:3 to the tv and i get the bars. If i set the cable box to zoom or stretch, that defeats the purpose, i dont want the cable box to zoom/stretch i want the panny to.

I bought the 37PX50 a couple of weeks ago and am experiencing some problems with the ATSC tuner.

Basically every couple of days it decides it doesn't want to receive a particular channel. When I change to the station I get a "Poor signal quality" message and a blank screen. All other stations work perfectly.


I have seen the same thing with my 42PX50 on three occations in the first week.
It seems to mess up the PSIP remapping, although there is good signal strength, it cannot lock.

Manually retuning it to the actual digital station, not the one that it is mapped to, fixes it.
For Buffalo CBS, it means that I have to tune to 39-1 from the keypad and it remaps
itself correctly to 4-1,

Mine also has an annoying buzz and is going back anyways.

I bought the 37PX50 a couple of weeks ago and am experiencing some problems with the ATSC tuner.

Basically every couple of days it decides it doesn't want to receive a particular channel. When I change to the station I get a "Poor signal quality" message and a blank screen. All other stations work perfectly.

If I go back into the channel selection menu and re-run the auto channel scan it will find the station again.

A few days later and a different channel will disappear. Do the same auto-scan thing and it comes back.

Anyone else using the ATSC OTA tuner experiencing the same issues? I don't want to pack this thing up and return it!

I've seen this problem reported from time to time with other tuners, but I've never experienced it with my Panasonic.

It's apparently related to PSIP codes within the signal that the stations are still experimenting with. When they make a change, the tuner may lose the station.

Before you decide to send the set in for service, check the "Local HDTV Info and Reception" forum here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=45) for Salt Lake City (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=418646&page=1&pp=30) to find out if others are having the same problem. It seems to be sporadic.

[QUOTE=foxnews]Same here. I got discrete on/off codes for pd50u working from remotecentral but input discretes did not work. I got mx-700 remote. if anyone got input discrete codes for the new pann plasmas, please let us know.[/QUOTE

I must be missing something. If you have the manufactures remote, just purchase a good learning remote like the pronto as they learn any RC codes? Why do you need discrete codes? I thought the mx-700 was a learning remote. Sorry if i am confused. :(

I've seen this problem reported from time to time with other tuners, but I've never experienced it with my Panasonic.

It's apparently related to PSIP codes within the signal that the stations are still experimenting with. When they make a change, the tuner may lose the station.

Before you decide to send the set in for service, check the "Local HDTV Info and Reception" forum here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=45) for Salt Lake City (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=418646&page=1&pp=30) to find out if others are having the same problem. It seems to be sporadic.

In my case it was three different stations over a period of 2 days, and my Sylvania OTA box did not experience any issues on the same channels, I am pretty sure that the stations didnt change anything and it is a problem in the TV.

Ok. The problem seems to be basically restricted to the OTA digital channels and the major broacaster in HD trough cableboxes. With my setup I solve this problem switching the input to the S-VIDEO and stretching it. The picture doesn't suffer too much (remember, this is NOT a true HD ) and I only have to hit one extra key on the RC. With the OTA digital coming from the antenna there is nothing that can be done. ESPN HD seems to address the problem with a "funny" bar when transmitting SD. My local CBS does the same with the gray bar.

But switching to the S-Video input doesn't solve the "problem". I don't want to have to watch the local news on the crappy analog channels - i'd prefer to watch the upconverted version on the gorgeous HD channels in better-than-DVD quality and i want the ability to use the TV's JUST mode on the 4:3 image to get rid of the black bars, just like i do on the analog channels. I don't want to see the "funny bars" when watching SportsCenter on the HD channel, and i don't want to see the light gray bars that CBS adds to it's DTV channel. I want aspect control darn it :)

It seems that some ultra-high-end displays give you this ability, but no not Panasonic.

In my case it was three different stations over a period of 2 days, and my Sylvania OTA box did not experience any issues on the same channels, I am pretty sure that the stations didnt change anything and it is a problem in the TV.

I'm not trying to dispute you, as your circumstances are altogether different. However, based on reports posted by people who seem to know a lot more about it than I do, the Chicago stations change things all the time, although most of us don't realize it. Again based on these comments, tuners seem to vary in susceptibility.

I lost a station once, but it came back on its own after a couple of days. I thought it had temporarily quit transmitting digitally for maintenance or upgrades. That was six months ago when my set was new, before I learned that a rescan could have restored the missing channel.

I'm currently watching "National Treasure" on my brand new PX500U. I haven't gotten my new DVD player yet, so I have my Toshiba SD-310V hooked up to the PX500U via composite video connection. It looks awesome. It sounds darn good as well. I'll have to wait until next Wednesday to get my HD cable hooked up.

I will eventually get around to taking some pictures.

Anyone else get their new toy today?

This is so cool.

Anyone else get their new toy today?

This is so cool.

Congrats! Looks like Tweeter :mad: messed up my delivery today, and its not going to arrive when promised. :( Perhaps I should just have the Big Screen Store drop one off instead. At least they had them in store.

Do post some pics when you have a chance!

I'm currently watching "National Treasure" on my brand new PX500U. I haven't gotten my new DVD player yet, so I have my Toshiba SD-310V hooked up to the PX500U via composite video connection. It looks awesome. It sounds darn good as well. I'll have to wait until next Wednesday to get my HD cable hooked up.

I will eventually get around to taking some pictures.

Anyone else get their new toy today?

This is so cool.


catfish!! PICS MY MAN!!! If i could run back out to sneak another peek today I would!!!

I'm currently watching "National Treasure" on my brand new PX500U. I haven't gotten my new DVD player yet, so I have my Toshiba SD-310V hooked up to the PX500U via composite video connection. It looks awesome. It sounds darn good as well. I'll have to wait until next Wednesday to get my HD cable hooked up.

I will eventually get around to taking some pictures.

Anyone else get their new toy today?

This is so cool.

Hey, how bout some pics? :)

And if you're happy with the DVD PQ from a composite connection on an older DVD, prepare to be wowed by a solid player over Component or HDMI.

[QUOTE=foxnews]Same here. I got discrete on/off codes for pd50u working from remotecentral but input discretes did not work. I got mx-700 remote. if anyone got input discrete codes for the new pann plasmas, please let us know.[/QUOTE

I must be missing something. If you have the manufactures remote, just purchase a good learning remote like the pronto as they learn any RC codes? Why do you need discrete codes? I thought the mx-700 was a learning remote. Sorry if i am confused. :(

The manufacturer's remotes don't have buttons for discrete functions such as "Power On", "Power off", HDMI, etc. They have toggle buttons such as "power" and "input". Therefore, you must get the discretes elsewhere (remotecentral is a good start)

Congrats! Looks like Tweeter :mad: messed up my delivery today, and its not going to arrive when promised. :( Perhaps I should just have the Big Screen Store drop one off instead. At least they had them in store.

Do post some pics when you have a chance!

The local Sound Advice is now telling me on or about July 8. Did they give you any ETA?


Cat...let's see some pics!!!

I'm currently watching "National Treasure" on my brand new PX500U........It looks awesome.

PICS OR BAN !! :D

px500u arrived at my house two hours ago, will be too busy tonight to set it up...actually probably won't get to it until Sunday..doh!

Okay, here are some pictures. They're not so great, but I put my heart into them. Don't be too hard on me because I really have no idea what I'm doing.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6227/p12tp.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/7859/p23fv.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1313/p30ez.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9931/p44vt.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2343/p52bm.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/849/p61re.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9605/p75qg.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5372/p84sh.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3462/p96gh.jpg

Congrats! Looks like Tweeter :mad: messed up my delivery today, and its not going to arrive when promised. :( Perhaps I should just have the Big Screen Store drop one off instead. At least they had them in store.

Do post some pics when you have a chance!
My delivery got messed up, too. The local freight terminal refused delivery due to damage. :eek:
I called them and they said it was messed up pretty bad. The guy I talked to said, "I know its not funny, but it is kinda funny - you know what I mean". I was too choked up to respond. ;) :( Looks like another week before I get mine :(

Thanks for the pics - its as close as I'm gonna be to one for another week. :(

PX500 REALITY CHECK

The PX500 was announced by Panny about Jan 05.

It is definitely “IN STOCK” MAR 05 at the usual internet suspects (dealers),
seen at BB & CC about JULY 01, 2005.

The first known PX500 delivery to an AVS member was about July 5, 2005.

This reality check may be subsequently linked to remind you:

no matter how bad you want it,
no matter how much you search the internet,
no matter how many dealers say “in a week” or “computer says in stock”,
no matter if a dealer says shipped [but misplaced the freight tracing number?],

• everything above is irrelevant if a container of panels isn’t in the US [if the bird didn’t land].
• internet dealers may indicate models not released by manufacturers as “in stock”.

Okay, here are some pictures. They're not so great, but I put my heart into them. Don't be too hard on me because I really have no idea what I'm doing.


CatfishJohn, thank you for the pictures. Congrats. And I love the components on the milk crate! Priorities! :)

Looks like the eagle has landed...congrats on the PX500.

BTW- good to hear other people see the weird NBC shrunken image phenomenon. I noticed this a few times and I thought I was going crazy.

My PX500 arrived this afternoon and although it's earmarked for a wall mount, I will be trying to get it set up on the stand tonight.

John, what's that amp that you're using. Looks like serious business. And it appears the pre-amp is from the same manufacturer.

CatfishJohn, thank you for the pictures. Congrats. And I love the components on the milk crate! Priorities! :)

Hey, I designed that milk crate myself. :cool:

John, what's that amp that you're using. Looks like serious business. And it appears the pre-amp is from the same manufacturer.

The amp and pre-amp are by Sim Audio. If I get half as much joy out of my new plasma as I've gotton from these components, I'll be very happy.

Regarding stretching HD, here's what I plan to do when my plasma finally gets here.

I have an HD Tivo through which I watch D* HD as well as OTA HD channels, and I can set the output resolution with the remote. I plan to setup a macro to 'Stretch HD' that:
1. sets HDTivo output to 480p
2. sets TV to JUST mode

and have '720 HD' and '1080 HD' macros to switch back. I know there would be some quality loss in the extra signal processing, but it I'm thinking it would be better than the double black bars. I could switch back easily to check to see if the channel fixed the problem partway through the show. If its a 4:3 show I'll just leave it.

Would this work?

Okay, here are some pictures. They're not so great, but I put my heart into them.

Thanks for the pics, and again, congrats on your new plasma!

My delivery got messed up, too. The local freight terminal refused delivery due to damage. :eek:
I called them and they said it was messed up pretty bad. The guy I talked to said, "I know its not funny, but it is kinda funny - you know what I mean". I was too choked up to respond. ;) :( Looks like another week before I get mine :(


I feel your pain! :( Supposedly they rescheduled mine for Friday. Well, we'll see. I was about to cancel my order and get it from the Big Screen Store (where I could have had it tomorrow), but then he knocked another 140 off my price, so I let it slide until Friday... Still pi#@ed me off since I stayed home from the office today. (They scheduled delivery for today.)

I've waited this long, I guess I can wait 3 more days...

Murphy's Law in effect.....my corollary.....the more you look forward to ownership of something the greater the likelihood things go wrong. But in a couple months time, all will be forgotten. :)

Murphy's Law in effect.....my corollary.....the more you look forward to ownership of something the greater the likelihood things go wrong. But in a couple months time, all will be forgotten. :)

So true. Someone should add that to a wiki somewhere. :D

On the bright side, I'll probably get more work done this week...

John - Thanks for the shots! Looks like the bezel is a very attractive shiny black, just as I hoped. Just that feature made the PX500 a buy in my book. And a friendly tip - shutting the blinds behind the panel would produce better shots - in case you want to post the finished product later. :) Any data on the TV Guide yet? I know it's been a common problem on other units, so I'm not too hopeful on this feature. And how do those speaks w/ the sub sound?

Judging by the placement of the logos and ticker on the MSNBC shot, it looks like overscan is very minimal on this set from the factory. This is great news since I've checked the service manual for the PD50 and see no settings for adjusting overscan. Unless the PX500 has a different SM or I'm overlooking something, overscan appears to not be adjustable on these new 8th gen units. My 6th gen came with around 5% overscan all around and I noticed a nice improvement in PQ from reducing my overscan to virtually nill via the SM. Has anyone run an Avia or DVE overscan pattern on their set to see what the factory values are?

Can't wait for mine!

Ryan

Your idea of creating a "stretch macro" sounds good. If your TIVO can output 480I instead of 480P maybe you can save some extra processing. There are reports from the Qualia006 forum that a good monitor (like the PX500) does a better job when receiving a 480I signal. You can try both, anyway. Please let us know how your macro works.

Sergio

I'm currently watching "National Treasure" on my brand new PX500U. I haven't gotten my new DVD player yet, so I have my Toshiba SD-310V hooked up to the PX500U via composite video connection. It looks awesome. It sounds darn good as well. I'll have to wait until next Wednesday to get my HD cable hooked up.

I will eventually get around to taking some pictures.

Anyone else get their new toy today?

This is so cool.


Cool. Thanks for the pix.

You comment about it sounding darn good as well, are you talking about the built in speakers or your audiophile rig? I'm asking because one of the deciding factors for me is the quality of the sound from the internal speakers since this will be in my bedroom and I don't think I will be doing a full AV system in there.

Also, how's the PQ on SD material? I'm 99% set on the Panny after another trip to BB and CC today. The Pios looked blurry with a HD signal fed into it and the PX50U looked so sharp in comparison. I just wonder how good the SD PQ will be. I've heard the Pios have better SD PQ.

On my 50PX50U, SD looks even better than on my old Sony 36" XBR450. It looks really good (both from ReplayTV and analog cable). I think it is better than on my 42PX20.

Cool. Thanks for the pix.

You comment about it sounding darn good as well, are you talking about the built in speakers or your audiophile rig? I'm asking because one of the deciding factors for me is the quality of the sound from the internal speakers since this will be in my bedroom and I don't think I will be doing a full AV system in there.

Also, how's the PQ on SD material? I'm 99% set on the Panny after another trip to BB and CC today. The Pios looked blurry with a HD signal fed into it and the PX50U looked so sharp in comparison. I just wonder how good the SD PQ will be. I've heard the Pios have better SD PQ.The speaker/sound system for the PX50Us is rather "chintzy," by comparison almost anything else (e.g. 500Us) will sound better. SD rendering (especially with CableCARD :) ) is decent, again by comparison SD doesn't hold a candle to HD content. 480p/DVD using component inputs is very good. Picture quality will be the same for both the 50/500Us.

Judging by the placement of the logos and ticker on the MSNBC shot, it looks like overscan is very minimal on this set from the factory. This is great news since I've checked the service manual for the PD50 and see no settings for adjusting overscan. Unless the PX500 has a different SM or I'm overlooking something, overscan appears to not be adjustable on these new 8th gen units. My 6th gen came with around 5% overscan all around and I noticed a nice improvement in PQ from reducing my overscan to virtually nill via the SM. Has anyone run an Avia or DVE overscan pattern on their set to see what the factory values are?

Can't wait for mine!

The MSNBC shot is a SD image and overscan can change when viewing an HD signal. Through Avia, overscan is less than 5% all the way around on my 50px50u. But this is a 480p signal. With HD, I don't know how you would be able to tell unless you run a HD test pattern through it or HDnet or someone puts these test patterns on in the early morning hours. Someone posted a translation of a foreign language review of the 500u last week.....it mentions overscan of 11% IIRC which I assume was for HD. Just wonder why it is so high and whether we are all seeing it but just don't know it. Viewing the HD logos and such they seemed to be placed properly with more than enough space to the screen edges.

Hey fellow AVSers! I got my PX500u yesterday from Tweeter. The guys there were somewhat bummed since my TV was the only one on the truck and they couldn't set it up in the store.

I did set up the TV last night with component connections to a DVD player and watched Lemony Snickets (for lack of a "visual" movie I hadn't seen before). The set looked amazing to my non-calibrated eyes. The out of the box setting is for a "vivid" picture which is very bright and changing it to "standard" or "cinema" made it too dark to look at after being exposed to "vivid". Maybe some calibration gurus will do their magic on this set and share their settings.

I also set up the TV Guide functionality although I don't plan on using it too much since I'll be getting most of my TV from satellite (currently Dish). I'll let the group here know how that TV Guide ends up working.

I didn't get the Dish receiver connected to it last night but I did set up a direct connection to my roof-top antenna (CM4221). My first impression is that the ATSC tuner in the 500u is better tuning in some channels than the Dish 811, other channels are better on the dish receiver. I'll get the 811 set up and report back more findings. I'll also post some pictures when I get the room more set up properly and my old TV out of there.

After looking around for years for a new TV, I am extremely pleased with this one.

Hey fellow AVSers! I got my PX500u yesterday from Tweeter. The guys there were somewhat bummed since my TV was the only one on the truck and they couldn't set it up in the store.

So you were the one to get my set... ;) I bet it was from the Baileys Xroads branch too...

Just kidding! Enjoy your set, and post pics when you can.

The out of the box setting is for a "vivid" picture which is very bright and changing it to "standard" or "cinema" made it too dark to look at after being exposed to "vivid".Dude... do yourself a favor and take your panel out of "vivid" mode... at least for the first 100 hours. You will quickly become accustom to the "standard" picture setting. Think long term... (unless you're rich), treat your panel right early on to insure many years of service.

optivity - the panel is not in vivid anymore...I got it out of vivid mode quick!

Twilighter - I got mine from the Fairfax store. Hopefully yours is at the Bailey's branch soon!

I am totally a novice here and have a 50PX50U arriving in the next couple of days. In browsing this book (thread), I have found mixed opinions on settings and I wanted to see if I could get some feedback.

First area that I wanted to ask about is the Color Management setting. Most people have suggested turning it off, but at least one had it set on.

In reviewing settings posted by two individuals, there is quite a variation here:

Picture:
+10/+17

Brightness:
+10(+5 at night for DVDs)/-3

Color:
-4/0

Tint:
-8/0

Sharpness:
0/+15

I am sure there are others who have posted settings similar and/or quite different from these.

Is it going to be trial and error for me? Does it depend much on the room and the light in that room? Of course, I do know that overall it will ultimately come down to personal preference.

Any help that anyone can offer, I am here to listen.

I am totally a novice here and have a 50PX50U arriving in the next couple of days. In browsing this book (thread), I have found mixed opinions on settings and I wanted to see if I could get some feedback.

First area that I wanted to ask about is the Color Management setting. Most people have suggested turning it off, but at least one had it set on.

In reviewing settings posted by two individuals, there is quite a variation here:

Picture:
+10/+17

Brightness:
+10(+5 at night for DVDs)/-3

Color:
-4/0

Tint:
-8/0

Sharpness:
0/+15

I am sure there are others who have posted settings similar and/or quite different from these.

Is it going to be trial and error for me? Does it depend much on the room and the light in that room? Of course, I do know that overall it will ultimately come down to personal preference.

Any help that anyone can offer, I am here to listen.I've had a 50PX50U since May 1st. I'd recommend running your new panel in standard mode with both the picture/brightness settings turned down a couple of notches. Color Management on/off seems to have more of an impact when using the component inputs rather than for HDMI or CableCARD. I have the Color Management setting set to the default: on. I use the default settings (0) for color & tint with sharpness turned down a couple of notches.

IMO... Panasonic knows how to calibrate their PDPs better than the "average" AVSF'er. Those who report evidence of the "neon green" phenomena most likely have other problems with their set-up.

I am totally a novice here and have a 50PX50U arriving in the next couple of days. In browsing this book (thread), I have found mixed opinions on settings and I wanted to see if I could get some feedback.

First area that I wanted to ask about is the Color Management setting. Most people have suggested turning it off, but at least one had it set on.

In reviewing settings posted by two individuals, there is quite a variation here:

Picture:
+10/+17

Brightness:
+10(+5 at night for DVDs)/-3

Color:
-4/0

Tint:
-8/0

Sharpness:
0/+15

I am sure there are others who have posted settings similar and/or quite different from these.

Is it going to be trial and error for me? Does it depend much on the room and the light in that room? Of course, I do know that overall it will ultimately come down to personal preference.

Any help that anyone can offer, I am here to listen.
you cant go by anybody elses settings, if i used the settings there i would have to throw my tv out it would look disgusting. Theres too many variations, IE cable used/cable box/signal/lighting/a million things. My color is at +6, i see people with it at -6. You need to get a calibration disk (avia) and just calibrate it yourself, forget about using other peoples settings it wont work.

IMO... Panasonic knows how to calibrate their PDPs better than the "average" AVSF'er. Those who report evidence of the "neon green" phenomena most likely have other problems with their set-up.

Just because your Panny doesn't have the Neon Green issue doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist for those of us who do have the problem. It's not our setup, it's the TV. I've tested every possible combination of setup with my other 5 TVs or 3 cable converters and PX50's own internal tuner, with various sources like cable HD, cable SD, OTA HD, and OTA SD and the only constant in the whole scenario is the PDP which has too much green. The factory settings out of the box were absolutely terrible and my PDP didn't display any yellow colors at all - they all ranged from yellow-tinted green to full-on Neon green. NYC taxi cabs were neon lime green with the factory settings and this was my first indication that something was wrong with my new TV.

You really need stop blaming our setups for this green problem because it cannot possibly be the case. Your unit is obviously not affected so you're not qualified to dismiss other's experience with this problem. And it is a problem. Panasonic even replaced one guy's plasma directly because their technician couldn't get rid of the green, and his replacement TV was perfect. Too many people with different setups have this problem to be anything other than the TV causing it.

What part of the phrase: "most likely" don't you understand? :confused:

you cant go by anybody elses settings, if i used the settings there i would have to throw my tv out it would look disgusting. Theres too many variations, IE cable used/cable box/signal/lighting/a million things. My color is at +6, i see people with it at -6. You need to get a calibration disk (avia) and just calibrate it yourself, forget about using other peoples settings it wont work.

Thanks! Sounds like a plan.

Regarding stretching HD, here's what I plan to do when my plasma finally gets here.

I have an HD Tivo through which I watch D* HD as well as OTA HD channels, and I can set the output resolution with the remote. I plan to setup a macro to 'Stretch HD' that:
1. sets HDTivo output to 480p
2. sets TV to JUST mode

and have '720 HD' and '1080 HD' macros to switch back. I know there would be some quality loss in the extra signal processing, but it I'm thinking it would be better than the double black bars. I could switch back easily to check to see if the channel fixed the problem partway through the show. If its a 4:3 show I'll just leave it.

Would this work?

I'm assuming you have the D* HD Tivo box...doesn't it have the ability to stretch/zoom/etc. the signal? My Dish box cycles thru the modes when you press a button and my Cable HD box does the same (usually the * or # button does this).

[QUOTE=catslick]

The manufacturer's remotes don't have buttons for discrete functions such as "Power On", "Power off", HDMI, etc. They have toggle buttons such as "power" and "input". Therefore, you must get the discretes elsewhere (remotecentral is a good start)

Ok now i got yah. Thanks for explaining. :rolleyes:

Hey, the PC Card input is a nice touch on the PX500 I didn't notice. You can view all types of cards via this input:

PC card slot reads:
• SD Card (1GB) • miniSD Card (128MB)
• Compact Flash (1GB) • Smart Media (128MB)
• Memory Stick (128MB) • xD Picture Card (128MB)
• Flash ATA (128 MB) • Memory Stick Pro (1GB)
The cards require standard PC card adapter.

I assume the numbers in parenthesies are the max size for the card.

Also, looks like they've added a handy anti-burn function:
Afterimage prevention function
If still image data is displayed for more than a few
minutes, the afterimage prevention function will
activate and the image disappears.

Slick.

What part of the phrase: "most likely" don't you understand? :confused:

But "most likely" implies a high likelyhood or almost certainty that our setup (connection method and/or equipment we're using) is causing the problem, but my own extensive testing has revealed the display as the root problem, not the setup or the equipment i have connected to it. Based on my own experience and the experience of others here, it would appear that our setups have virtually nothing to do with the green problem.

Just the fact that all SD and HD Cable and OTA channels through my TV's own internal tuner displays neon green at worst, or slight green tinge on some yellows at best after careful menu massaging, tells me it's the TV since there is no external equipment in the loop. I just don't see how a setup issue can cause green push on this TV when the same setup using 5 other various TVs i've tried show no such green issues. If anything, my old 32" Panny tube TV has a little red push. If my setup or equipment were adding green to the mix, this tube TV would be blue :D

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Thanks.

Dave

One thing I've learned in reading through this thread and others like it is that we all perceive things differently. Differently when it comes to describing picture rendition and more specifically, color rendition. For example, what is neon-green? Well, I can define it for myself but someone else may have a significantly different perception. What defines green push beyond the plasma norm?

Since we all see things differently and our Pannys are probably all calibrated a bit differently out of the box, I think these owner picture settings should best be used only as a general guide. I'm surprised optivity puts color management on but if it works for him then that's great. We don't see what he sees.

I agree that everyone sees things different on there plasmas. I read quite a bit on here about the different setting s people used and what looked good to them dosen't look great to me. I have found though that as my plasma racks up the viewing hours my settings have changed. When I first got it I had settings such as this ...standard setting....picture:20 to 22....bright: around 5.....color: around 5......tint: 0.......sharpness: 20. .......color mgmt: off. I would adjust these settings just a little depending on the content. My plasma has around 100 hours or so on it and now I've changed the settings to.....standard (vivid sometimes for watching DVD's)......picture: 15.....bright: 0.....color:0......tint:0.....sharpness: around 20......color mgmt: off......color temp: cool..... These settings are pretty much how it came to me from the factory except the picture setting is down a bit. I've actually had to turn down the color to - 5 or 6 on some programs. My vivid settings are set the same way which I use when I want that extra punch. I don't know if there's a "break in" period but my eyes don't lie.

Hey, the PC Card input is a nice touch on the PX500 I didn't notice. You can view all types of cards via this input:

PC card slot reads:
• SD Card (1GB) • miniSD Card (128MB)
• Compact Flash (1GB) • Smart Media (128MB)
• Memory Stick (128MB) • xD Picture Card (128MB)
• Flash ATA (128 MB) • Memory Stick Pro (1GB)
The cards require standard PC card adapter.

I assume the numbers in parenthesies are the max size for the card.

Also, looks like they've added a handy anti-burn function:
Afterimage prevention function
If still image data is displayed for more than a few
minutes, the afterimage prevention function will
activate and the image disappears.

Slick.

The afterimage prevention function is listed in the photo viewer section and references "still image data". I interprete this as it does not have this function while watching other sources (DVD, etc.) However, I am curious...someone hit pause on a DVD and see what happens.

The afterimage prevention function is listed in the photo viewer section and references "still image data". I interprete this as it does not have this function while watching other sources (DVD, etc.) However, I am curious...someone hit pause on a DVD and see what happens.

That occured to me as well, and I doubt it applies elsewhere. Most DVD players have a screensaver function built in now anyway.

... Panasonic knows how to calibrate their PDPs better than the "average" AVSF'er...
What a radical concept! :eek:

Unfortunately, took me more than a month to figure that out. :o

The first thing I did was change the settings based on other people's recommendations and I didn't readjust until the first 100 hours had passed. When I finally tried out the factory settings, I got almost perfect results from DVE. I've left them there ever since.

Of course, that was in my room with my associated equipment. As several have mentioned, different situations bring different results. Still, I'd recommend new owners give the standard factory preset a try for a few days before they try someone else's settings.
You need to get a calibration disk... and just calibrate it yourself...
But remember, these settings may not be valid for anything other than DVD input.

What a radical concept! :eek:

Unfortunately, took me more than a month to figure that out. :o

The first thing I did was change the settings based on other people's recommendations and I didn't readjust until the first 100 hours had passed. When I finally tried out the factory settings, I got almost perfect results from DVE. I've left them there ever since.

Of course, that was in my room with my associated equipment. As several have mentioned, different situations bring different results. Still, I'd recommend new owners give the standard factory preset a try for a few days before they try someone else's settings.Another voice of reason... I'm using the defaults ( with CableCARD :) ) and have the picture/brightness settings turned down a couple of notches during the panels break-in period. Picture quality varies based upon the incoming signal/station/program etc. There is a lot beyond the user's control if relying on a CATV/Satellite provider. Anyone subscribing to digital TV needs to use RG-6 coax to the STB/TV... For a $1.75 per month... try a CableCARD and you'll see how bad your HD-DVR really is. ;)

What a radical concept! :eek:

Unfortunately, took me more than a month to figure that out. :o

The first thing I did was change the settings based on other people's recommendations and I didn't readjust until the first 100 hours had passed. When I finally tried out the factory settings, I got almost perfect results from DVE. I've left them there ever since.

Of course, that was in my room with my associated equipment. As several have mentioned, different situations bring different results. Still, I'd recommend new owners give the standard factory preset a try for a few days before they try someone else's settings.

But remember, these settings may not be valid for anything other than DVD input.
true it will only be valid for the dvd input, but it will still most likely look alot better then using somebody elses settings, i know it did for me. Also you would need to hook the dvd player up via component, hdmi, and any other input you are using in order to calibrate those inputs independently of eachother. At least you will calibrate it using the correct cable, if not the correct input (ie cable box, dvd player, etc).

true it will only be valid for the dvd input, but it will still most likely look alot better then using somebody elses settings, i know it did for me. Also you would need to hook the dvd player up via component, hdmi, and any other input you are using in order to calibrate those inputs independently of eachother. At least you will calibrate it using the correct cable, if not the correct input (ie cable box, dvd player, etc).

Agreed. It's better than someone else's settings, but I have the sense that some have the impression that calibration disc settings are perfect for other inputs, which they are unlikely to be. The big variable, of course, is the input device.

I use DVE for DVD and a Laserdisc VE for my Laserdisc input. Both run through an iScan Ultra. I run the iScan "flat" for DVD, but must make several adjustments for the Laserdisc player.

Okay, here are some pictures. They're not so great, but I put my heart into them. Don't be too hard on me because I really have no idea what I'm doing.

First, I'm totally JEALOUS. Sweet looking setup.

I like that stand. It looks like each layer stands on points to minimize vibration. Is that right?

I'm taking a guess here, but the pics might turn out better if you take them at night so that the PDP is not backlit by the windows, and turn up the lights in the room to speed up the shutter on the camera.

Congrats to all who've received their new toys. Anyone besides Paulie and bkos?

My TV guide was still not operational when I stopped home during lunch, but when I got home from work a bit after 5, there it was in all its glory as is evident in the picture. So it took somewhere between 13 and 18 hours to get its act together.

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9649/p105rg.jpg

Housecor - Believe it or not my shades were closed when I took those pictures. I will need to do something about that.

I think the PX500's sound is quite good without any help. You can turn up the volume pretty far before things get messy. Since I verified that the audio was getting into the pre-amp and out my speakers, I've had the volume on my main rig all the way down. Even with the TV speakers active, audio is available on the output. That was not the case with my last set.

I was very surprised with the quality of SD material, but keep in mind that this is my first foray into anything beyond my 10 year old 27" Trinitron. With the picture in JUST mode, I think it is at least as good as it was (still is) with my Sony.

I tried hooking up my laptop before I came online with limited success. I think the problems are with my laptop. All I had was my desktop picture and the mouse pointer. No menu bars or icons anywhere to be seen on the PX500. This is really of little concern to me, but I'll probably keep on it.

I hope I answered everyone's question.

My s77s DVD player was shipped this morning and my HD cable will be here in a week. Only SD for me so far, but they say patience is a virtue. Sure it is.

Dude... do yourself a favor and take your panel out of "vivid" mode... at least for the first 100 hours. You will quickly become accustom to the "standard" picture setting. Think long term... (unless you're rich), treat your panel right early on to insure many years of service.


I always hear AVS members saying that, but what is the real data about this? How much does it diminish the half life of the plasma? I would expect that if it were seriously problematic, the manual would state this and recommend not using vivid, but the manual says nothing. Honestly,though, I expect that I'll buy another TV within 5-10 years so even if it cuts the half-life in half (pardon the pun), it wouldn't make any significant difference....

First, I'm totally JEALOUS. Sweet looking setup.

I like that stand. It looks like each layer stands on points to minimize vibration. Is that right?

I'm taking a guess here, but the pics might turn out better if you take them at night so that the PDP is not backlit by the windows, and turn up the lights in the room to speed up the shutter on the camera.

Thanks Solderbot. It's only two channel and will never be anything more. I dig my music. When I have the room and the cash I plan to put together a seperate surround system with the PX500 right in the middle.

That's correct. I have a more "audiophile" approved stand, but I like the looks of this one better and it has larger spaces for my fat amp.

I will eventually get some night pics, but I since my first volley of photos yesterday, I've just wanted to play with the new toy.

I always hear AVS members saying that, but what is the real data about this? How much does it diminish the half life of the plasma? I would expect that if it were seriously bad, themanual would state this and recommend not using vivid, but the manual says nothing. Honestly,though, I expect that I'll buy another TV within 5-10 years so even if it cuts the half-life in half (pardon the pun), it wouldn't make any significant difference....I'm not asking you to take my word for it...

"Plasma Break-In

Like a fine new automobile, the performance of a plasma TV can be optimized by allowing a break-in period. By properly following these simple break-in instructions, you should be rewarded with long-term enjoyment of your plasma TV. Plasma phosphors are most susceptible to image retention in the first hundred hours of use. The panel becomes considerably less sensitive to burn-in after this period. Very often, televisions, including plasma, are shipped from the factory with the contrast control at a high setting to provide a bright picture under typical dealer showroom lighting conditions. In your home, the room light levels are usually one half or less than that in retail showrooms. The contrast control may need to be lowered in your home for comfortable contrast levels that do not induce eye strain. When the plasma is initially installed, videophiles say it is best to do the following:

Make sure the display is in a viewing mode (aspect ratio) that completely fills the screen (there are often three or more settings from which to choose). The panel is shipped in this condition, in what is called the “Just” mode.

Turn down the picture control (contrast) to 50% or less.

Briefly engage the 4:3 mode to confirm the side bars are set to mid-gray (there is usually an adjustment in the Set Up menu that takes the sidebars from black to gray) to minimize the chance of burn-in.

Return the set to a “full screen” (Just, Zoom, Full) position during the first hundred hours of use.

During the first hundred hours of use it is best not to view the same channel for extended periods. This should prevent channel logos and other fixed images found on some channels from being retained.

Avoid any static images (video games, computer images, DVD title screens, etc.) during the hundred-hour break-in.

After the hundred-hour break-in period, during the next nine-hundred hours:

Continue to retain the picture setting at 50% or less.

Limit the use of 4:3 aspect ratio mode (traditional picture size that does not fill the entire screen) to 15% of viewing time.

Limit the use of static images (computer, video games, etc.) to less than 10% of viewing time.

After one-thousand viewing hours, panels are much less likely to experience
image burn-in."

I always hear AVS members saying that, but what is the real data about this? How much does it diminish the half life of the plasma? I would expect that if it were seriously bad, themanual would state this and recommend not using vivid, but the manual says nothing. Honestly,though, I expect that I'll buy another TV within 5-10 years so even if it cuts the half-life in half (pardon the pun), it wouldn't make any significant difference....

You might check out Bruzzi's (http://www.glaucobruzzi.com/plasma-faq/index.php?) wonderful site. This page (http://www.glaucobruzzi.com/plasma-faq/showthread.php?t=49) contains Panasonic's advice on break-in, among other things.

As for the last sentence, it's your money, so it's your call.

Thanks, Macfan. I've read Bruzzi's site and find it a wealth of great HD information.

I was just wondering about the specific problem that happens if you don't break in the plasma as per suggestions. I've yet to see any specific data as to the results. It seems with all the warnings out there, they'd have some data on the effect of not breaking in with low brightness. Perhaps this is some wives-tale that has been perpetuated over the years...

Not trying to be flippant, but I was looking for specific evidence for the recommendation other than their vague "optimization of performance and long-term enjoyment" statement (call me doubting Thomas...). If panny has made this recommendation, why isn't it in the manual? Not all panny owners read the AVS, and they are otherwise doing their owners a disservice by not putting it in bold print on paperwork in the box.

Not trying to be flippant, but I was looking for specific evidence for the recommendation other than their vague "optimization of performance and long-term enjoyment" statement (call me doubting Thomas...). If panny has made this recommendation, why isn't it in the manual? Not all panny owners read the AVS, and they are otherwise doing their owners a disservice by not putting it in bold print on paperwork in the box.

I have a 657UY which I followed the break-in guidelines. I once had a 503CMX that I left in torch mode and got uneven wear in about 1500 hours. It was noticable in bright scenes. Now, I am careful and Plasmas are better at burn-in resistance.

Here is another reason. A couple of years down the road you may want to upgrade. A panel with uneven wear is worth much less.

-- Rich

liferules - The reason the lower picture setting is recommended is to further reduce the chance of image retention. Remember, the higher the picture levels, the more quickly this retention occurs. If you run a wide variety of full screen material to the display with no logos or static content, then "torch" settings for break-in are just fine. In fact, this would accelerate the break-in process.

I hear what you're saying though - Much of this may be unnecessary with today's advanced phosphors, but using sane picture levels and stretch for 1000 hours is a small price to pay in my eyes for assurance I'm not going to scar my display for life.

So I have the 42PWD7UY and so far it has been fantastic with DVD's. My SD setup is Directv Tivo through the composite.

Question? My DVD player with component out is a Panasonic DVD Recorder, so my tivo is also run into this. Any harm in doing this?

On a whim, I tuned the TV to my DVD Player/Recorder and tuned the recorder to L1 so it fed the directv signal to the TV through the recorders component out. I swear it looks incredibly better in terms of colors, clarity and black level.

Is this actually possible or is my brain playing a "wishful thinking" trick on me? I have noticed on some programming though some artifacting (lines) which I presume is from the tv's 3:2 pulldown, so its not appropriate for everything, but might be good for movies.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Can someone tell me what stores they have seen the 42PX500U in? I am located in southern california (san diego) and so far i have visited best buy and tweeter and none of them have them on display. Tweeter said next Monday at the earliest.

Thanks

If panny has made this recommendation, why isn't it in the manual?...

I've wondered that, myself.

My cynical side says blame the lawyers. :rolleyes:

liferules - The reason the lower picture setting is recommended is to further reduce the chance of image retention. Remember, the higher the picture levels, the more quickly this retention occurs. If you run a wide variety of full screen material to the display with no logos or static content, then "torch" settings for break-in are just fine. In fact, this would accelerate the break-in process.

I hear what you're saying though - Much of this may be unnecessary with today's advanced phosphors, but using sane picture levels and stretch for 1000 hours is a small price to pay in my eyes for assurance I'm not going to scar my display for life.housecor - a very good explanation regarding uneven phosphor wear. What I don't understand, is with resources like Panasonic's White Paper: "Plasma Facts and Myths Panasonic Presents Advice From the Video Purist Perspective" (http://www.fcw.com/vendorsolutions/panasonicplasma.pdf#search='plasma%20facts%20and%20myths') available, why people don't follow the manufacturer's recommendations regarding the proper care and maintenance of their new PDPs? :confused:

So I have the 42PWD7UY and so far it has been fantastic with DVD's. My SD setup is Directv Tivo through the composite.

Question? My DVD player with component out is a Panasonic DVD Recorder, so my tivo is also run into this. Any harm in doing this?

On a whim, I tuned the TV to my DVD Player/Recorder and tuned the recorder to L1 so it fed the directv signal to the TV through the recorders component out. I swear it looks incredibly better in terms of colors, clarity and black level.

Is this actually possible or is my brain playing a "wishful thinking" trick on me? I have noticed on some programming though some artifacting (lines) which I presume is from the tv's 3:2 pulldown, so its not appropriate for everything, but might be good for movies.

Please let me know your thoughts.

A good portion of this has to do with your set's different settings on component input. Changing inputs nearly always changes saturation, brightness, etc, making adjusting levels necessary. To make a fair comparison, each option should be calibrated. Also, to make a fair comparison, why not run component from the D* box directly to your set to see if you have simliar results? You're typically better off running signals directly to your set rather than running them through another piece of equipment.

johnbrain666, it wasn't clear to me how you are connecting your D* receiver to your DVD Player/Recorder. If you are feeding it S-video or component, that alone could make an improvement compared to the composite signal you are sending to your TV.

If you don't have an extra component input available on your 42PWD7UY for D*, can you use S-video? If so, it should help, as it would avoid the signal degrading combining and separation involved with using composite.

Beyond that, housecor is right. You may be able to improve your D* picture substantially by tweaking the settings for it's input. It took me quite a bit of trial and error, but I now get a very good SD picture from D* on most channels.

To those who have received their 500us: congratulations.

My question deals with the TVGuide functionality: how "fast" is it? When you switch panes, access whatever "info" features there are, skip ahead an hour, 12 hours, a day, etc, is there a horrendous lag or does the information display keep up with flipping quickly around?

Thanks!

johnbrain666, it wasn't clear to me how you are connecting your D* receiver to your DVD Player/Recorder. If you are feeding it S-video or component, that alone could make an improvement compared to the composite signal you are sending to your TV.

If you don't have an extra component input available on your 42PWD7UY for D*, can you use S-video? If so, it should help, as it would avoid the signal degrading combining and separation involved with using composite.

Receiver is going to DVD via s-video, composite to TV. S-Video is usually better but most pro's recommmend composite over s-video for the Panny's for some reason it is better even though that defies normal setup. My directv tivo does not have component out so my DVD Recorder/Player uses that.

To those who have received their 500us: congratulations.

My question deals with the TVGuide functionality: how "fast" is it? When you switch panes, access whatever "info" features there are, skip ahead an hour, 12 hours, a day, etc, is there a horrendous lag or does the information display keep up with flipping quickly around?

Thanks!

I played around with the TV guide quite a bit last night and found it to be quite responsive. I actually find it significantly more useful than my cable guide. Because of this, I've been leaving the cable box off so that it passes the raw cable feed to the TV's internal tuner. It's easy enough to turn on the cable box when I want to have access to my premium channels.

Although I haven't tried the TV Guide with the cable box on, I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't work. My cable company doesn't have CableCard yet.

Receiver is going to DVD via s-video, composite to TV. S-Video is usually better but most pro's recommmend composite over s-video for the Panny's for some reason it is better even though that defies normal setup. My directv tivo does not have component out so my DVD Recorder/Player uses that.

The HD D* Tivo box has component out; I wasn't sure whether your version did or not.

I've seen the composite over S-video recommendation for Panasonics, too, but have wondered whether it applied to D*, or just to Laserdiscs, VCRs and other devices that start with a composite signal. My LD player does look much better via composite. I've never bothered to try my VCR in S-video, as the composite is as good as I could expect from that source. (And I rarely use it anymore anyway.)

On the other hand, the D* Y/C signal is already separated, and it's hard to believe combining it then separating it again would be better than using it in it's separated form. I'd give it a try if I were you, unless it's too hard to switch cables in your set-up.

One other thought. I'm no believer in cable mystique, but if there is anyplace an upgraded cable might help, it's with composite video. If you are using manufacturer supplied composite cable, you might consider a moderately priced upgrade. One seemed to improve signal quality (saturation, blacks) for my Laserdisc, although I was changing so many things at that time I may have attributed the improvement to the wrong cause.

I am totally a novice here and have a 50PX50U arriving in the next couple of days. In browsing this book (thread), I have found mixed opinions on settings and I wanted to see if I could get some feedback.

First area that I wanted to ask about is the Color Management setting. Most people have suggested turning it off, but at least one had it set on.

Is it going to be trial and error for me? Does it depend much on the room and the light in that room? Of course, I do know that overall it will ultimately come down to personal preference.

Any help that anyone can offer, I am here to listen.

If you are using component cables as input, turn it off. If you are seeing a lot of neon green and there is a slight tint of green in blond hair, turn it off. This will take care of it.

[QUOTE=Macfan424]The HD D* Tivo box has component out; I wasn't sure whether your version did or not. QUOTE]

I have the usual SD D*tivo, so no component out Will wait until later this year or next year to go HD. The box is almost $800 isn't it? Wife would kill me. I am thinking I need to look at the setting for component vs. composite. Maybe the secret lies therein.

I'll match em up and see how the straight signal compares. My wife thought the feed through the DVD Recorder was more "rich"

I am totally a novice here and have a 50PX50U arriving in the next couple of days. In browsing this book (thread), I have found mixed opinions on settings and I wanted to see if I could get some feedback.

First area that I wanted to ask about is the Color Management setting. Most people have suggested turning it off, but at least one had it set on.

The one person i know of who leaves it turned ON doesn't have the neon green or green push problem on his Panny that so many people here have reported. The rest of us turned Color Management OFF and this almost completely eliminated the green problem to the point that we can dial it almost completely out, if not all the way out. With Color Management turned ON, most yellows turn green to some extent and some become neon flourescent green. Just try it both ways and you'll quickly discover if you need to turn it off or not :cool:

I have the usual SD D*tivo, so no component out Will wait until later this year or next year to go HD. The box is almost $800 isn't it? Wife would kill me. I am thinking I need to look at the setting for component vs. composite. Maybe the secret lies therein.

I'll match em up and see how the straight signal compares. My wife thought the feed through the DVD Recorder was more "rich"

The D* HD Tivo is "down" to $700 now. :rolleyes: However, there is a rumor raging about these forums that D* will dramatically cut prices on August 1. Some say they'll free with a two year commitment. :D

Of course, if there is such a thing, it probably won't be available to existing subscribers, if they follow their usual practice. :mad:

By any chance, does your DVD recorder convert the D* signal to 480p before sending it to the TV? If so, you may be engaging the Panasonic's HD matrix, which would give you the "rich" look you mention. It doesn't work in 480i, which what you get with a straight D* connection.

The one person i know of who leaves it turned ON doesn't have the neon green or green push problem on his Panny that so many people here have reported...That could be me. ;)

The CableCARD interface provides the most efficient means to transport a digital signal over CATV to your PDP. Using only Panasonic's internal tuner/scalar, it makes sense to try the manufacturer's out of the box default settings for awhile... before 'playing' with a DVD like AVIA's “Guide to Home Theater” or taking a wearisome AVSF'ers suggestion about what works for them. :rolleyes:

Most likely your "neon green" issues are being exasperated by some combination of equipment, connection, cabling failures...

Crate of 50PX500's spotted at Fry's today. I asked the sales dude if they planned on setting one up and he was wasn't in any hurry to pull one out. Fry's customer service is weak.

The D* HD Tivo is "down" to $700 now. :rolleyes: However, there is a rumor raging about these forums that D* will dramatically cut prices on August 1. Some say they'll free with a two year commitment. :D

Of course, if there is such a thing, it probably won't be available to existing subscribers, if they follow their usual practice. :mad:

By any chance, does your DVD recorder convert the D* signal to 480p before sending it to the TV? If so, you may be engaging the Panasonic's HD matrix, which would give you the "rich" look you mention. It doesn't work in 480i, which what you get with a straight D* connection.

I'll read the manual. Not sure if it converting to progressive or not. I would assum eit des not, but who knows. As for D*, I've always been ablew to get the same deals as new customers by asking. I will wait to Aug. 1 Think it's real? I am a Sunday Ticket subscriber and diehard fan so a 2 year commitment is fine for me.

Wow. Free. I'd be there. Would I need the HDMI blade though for my 42PWD7UY? How many lines to they run from the Dish? Two just like the current d*tivo?

Thank you for the helpful info.

The CableCARD interface provides the most efficient means to transport a digital signal over CATV to your PDP.

Optivity - quick question about your cable card. I forget if you have comcast or not, but: Does Comcast really have to be present to install it? They refused to give me the card earlier when they were hooking up my cable , as I didn't yet have the TV to install it in.

I would think that it's just a matter of installing it and then calling the main office with a number to get it running? Of course, that's the theory...

They have to be present to install it, but if you have any problems after that, contact customer service and ask them to contact the headend to resolve your issue. If they say that they need to send someone out to rectify an issue, thats all the field tech is going to do.

Paul's has the 500 in Brea, CA. It was not hooked up and the manager said that they do not plan on hooking it up too soon b/c it will hurt the sales of the others.

Anyone still get cablecard noise in 50u or 500u?

Optivity - quick question about your cable card. I forget if you have comcast or not, but: Does Comcast really have to be present to install it? They refused to give me the card earlier when they were hooking up my cable , as I didn't yet have the TV to install it in.

I would think that it's just a matter of installing it and then calling the main office with a number to get it running? Of course, that's the theory...When a CableCARD module is installed in a TV the CableCARD/Host pairing information is displayed. This information is recorded by a CATV technician who reports the CableCARD module’s unit address, serial number and CableCARD/Host pairing back to the cable operator who then initializes and authorizes the CableCARD for use with the subscriber’s TV.

They have to be present to install it, but if you have any problems after that, contact customer service and ask them to contact the headend to resolve your issue. If they say that they need to send someone out to rectify an issue, thats all the field tech is going to do.

When a CableCARD module is installed in a TV the CableCARD/Host pairing information is displayed. This information is recorded by a CATV technician who reports the CableCARD module’s unit address, serial number and CableCARD/Host pairing back to the cable operator who then initializes and authorizes the CableCARD for use with the subscriber’s TV.

I see - I feel a little more enlightened now. Thanks D-Nice and optivity for your quick answers. Guess I'll be calling to schedule an appointment tomorrow morning...

Hey guys,

Well, I've had my Panny PX500 for 2 nights now, and IMHO it was worth the wait. First of all, the unit is GORGEOUS. No disrespect to the PX50 owners (as I was on the fence + I would agree with all who favor substance (PQ) over style (bezel). But the unit's design and bezel give it a decidedly more "high end" look. It's looks good on and off. Very sleek and grabs your attention.

I'll preface my picture quality comments with the fact that I am a newbie and my HT setup is'nt all the way there yet. Right now I only have the "monitor out" S-video connection from my Onkyo DD reciever into the PDP. :( In time, I would like to make dedicated connections for my DirecTV Tivo and my DVD player (/Recorder - soon, I hope).
I've been trying to watch mostly DVDs for the break-in period and all the DVD material looked fantastic. Monster's Inc. looked so good that I thought Sully was in my living room. No screen door effect at a 7 foot veiwing location. No neon green/green push (Simpsons Season 4 was the guinea pig for that - I don't do sponge bob).
The picture is very crisp, clear and the black levels are very much up to the panny reputation. (Good scene in Ocean's 11, where Damon and Clooney trigger the vault that accents the quality of black levels).

One of my other purchase points was that I wanted to get away from firing up the whole DD 6.1 system every time I watched TV - so the speaker system in the 500 was important. The speakers in the 500 produce very good sound and the cool thing is they're hidden in the bezel. I spent at least 15 minutes staring at the bezel and putting my ears to different sides before I figured this out. The sound quality is more than adequate for watching the news, sportscenter, etc.

I'm holding out for more HD content before I make that plunge, so one of my fears was that SD content thru my DirecTV Tivo would potentially be poor on an HD set. Although it's a noticable difference from DVD, I have to say I'm pretty happy with the PQ there too. I'm also coming from a 6 year old trinitron, so take that for what it's worth. I still have'nt got my AVIA DVD yet so I'm sure calibrating will help as well. Fired up the Tivo of the NE Pat's last Super Bowl victory for sports content and thought that looked great too.

Overall, I'm very happy. I was able to purchase the PDP through Panasonic's EPP with a major corporation (I believe another member was doing the same) . Anyway, as a result of that, the difference in price between the 50 and 500 was even less than the $500 difference in MSRP. With the extra features and high end design (IMO) it was a no-brainer. Once I bring my other components and their connections up to speed, I'll feel like I'm truely getting the most out of such a fantastic PDP. :D

Many thanks to the forum members and posters whose information and discussion helped me come to this decision. It looks like the months of late night research has paid off. :cool:

Paulie


PS: They're not great, but I could'nt post without giving you guys some pics!
Enjoy!

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I turned the black extension to 5 and it seems to closely have the same vibrance. I'll see what i think.

Completely off subject, but while waiting for my PX50U to arrive I bought a Syntax Olevia 32" LCD (LT32HVE). Took the savings from not getting the PX500U + a bit more. It's not in the same league, but for a bedroom TV, and the price...this thing is pretty darn impressive.

BTW, first thing my 4 year old wanted to watch when I hooked it up was: Sponge Bob..

Well, I've had my Panny PX500 for 2 nights now

Congrats on your set. Thanks for the pics and the review! Looks great! I'm supposedly getting mine today... :rolleyes:

Congrats Paulie. She's a beauty. Thanks for the pictures and the comments. I also felt the need to provide some pictures. She's my first; 28.75 inches tall, 88.2 lbs, and plently wide.

I received my s77s DVD player yesterday and Spiderman was glorious. I have not gotten DVE or AVIA yet, but I haven't had any problem adjusting it to my liking. I'm still using a slightly modified "Cinema" picture mode, but the scene where the "Green Goblin" attacked the city festival was so clear, colorful, and just visually awesome that I watched it 3 times.

With regards to the s77s, it seemed that setting it to output 480p rather than 720p or 1080i worked best for me. Could this be because the PX500 does better up-converting than the s77s?

She's only 3 days old now, but is very well behaved. She sleeps through the night and I haven't experienced any of the problems I've read about.

Can I expect even more from HD cable service?

I hope you get your TV today Twilighter.

Hi All,
From the PX500 manual:
"If using the pedestal, leave a space of 3 15/16” (10 cm) or
more at the top, left and right, 2 3/8” (6 cm) or more at the
bottom, and 2 3/4” (7 cm) or more at the rear."

Question:
If you are on the pedestal, does "leave a space of 2 3/8 inches or more at the bottom" make sense?
Thanks

Anyone still get cablecard noise in 50u or 500u?What do you mean... "cablecard noise?"

Any reputable online dealers selling the 50PX500? I've been waiting forever for it to come out, and am really happy that the initial indications from the board are as good as it sounds. Doesn't seem like its avaiable to see any place in the NYC area yet, but I'm happy to pull the trigger sight unseen. Seems like the only place I've seen it is the Panasonic web site for full retail. I called TVA but they are suggesting end of the month which is very disappointing as they would be my top choice. A google search gives me plenty of sites that indicate they have it for a nice price, but I haven't heard of any of them and am not too sure I'd want to go with a fly by night site.

Hi All,
From the PX500 manual:
"If using the pedestal, leave a space of 3 15/16” (10 cm) or
more at the top, left and right, 2 3/8” (6 cm) or more at the
bottom, and 2 3/4” (7 cm) or more at the rear."

Question:
If you are on the pedestal, does "leave a space of 2 3/8 inches or more at the bottom" make sense?
Thanks




It does'nt make sense: I just measured 3 5/8 from the bottom of the unit to the cabinet top. Maybe they're implying if you had a component under the unit?

How can I glean good information from this thread - It's freaking 99 pages long!! I can't possible read thru this whole thing and retain any of the information. I'm looking for better specs and service menu instructions for the 42PD50U, any help?

Maybe think of starting a new thread with key points highlighted at the beginning?

Rook

How can I glean good information from this thread - It's freaking 99 pages long!! I can't possible read thru this whole thing and retain any of the information. I'm looking for better specs and service menu instructions for the 42PD50U, any help?

Maybe think of starting a new thread with key points highlighted at the beginning?

Rook

Yes, but without the 99 pages, I would never have known how much better the picture could look by using a CableCard :) (Sorry Optivity, couldn't resist)

I'll read the manual. Not sure if it converting to progressive or not. I would assum eit des not, but who knows. As for D*, I've always been ablew to get the same deals as new customers by asking. I will wait to Aug. 1 Think it's real? I am a Sunday Ticket subscriber and diehard fan so a 2 year commitment is fine for me.

Wow. Free. I'd be there. Would I need the HDMI blade though for my 42PWD7UY? How many lines to they run from the Dish? Two just like the current d*tivo?

Thank you for the helpful info.
We're in the wrong thread for this, but, in reverse order:

-The D* HD DVR uses two lines from the dish, like your current box.

-HDMI would be better, but component would work.

-I'm skeptical about "free." These are rumors, after all, and "if it sounds too good to be true..." Still, we can hope. :) I've researched D*s HD DVRs a lot, thought about buying after the price drop, but decided to wait until August, too. There isn't all that much on in the summer that I have any great desire to record anyway.

-While playing D* through your DVD recorder, check in the 42PWD7UY user menu to see if the HD matrix is engaged. (I have a consumer model, but I assume its switchable in 480p on the commercial version, too.)

Of course, you can just increase saturation and black levels to taste on your composite input. One of the great things about the commercial version is their separate memory for each input which lets you adjust one source without messing up the others.

.............What I don't understand, is with resources like Panasonic's White Paper: "Plasma Facts and Myths Panasonic Presents Advice From the Video Purist Perspective" (http://www.fcw.com/vendorsolutions/panasonicplasma.pdf#search='plasma%20facts%20and%20myths') available, why people don't follow the manufacturer's recommendations regarding the proper care and maintenance of their new PDPs? :confused:


For starters - I didn't know this document existed, nor does the instruction manual include and information on "Break in" period. If it was so important - you'd think Panasonic would include it in it's paperwork. The white paper says my plasma has a white scroll bar to remove burn-in, is this correct or outdated, if so, how much else of this white paper is outdated.

As for the manual - It sucks. I doesn't tell you what each function actually does, just shows you how to adjust it. I'm sick of reading "Don't leave a picture on for extended periods of time" What the hell is that - is extended 2 seconds, 2 minutes or 2 hours???? Give us something other than that! I've watched several shows that even in Full/Just mode still have black bars at the top or bottom..... I feel that I have to watch it in Zoom as not to cause Burn-in to my young plasma. The Picture adjustment explanations are sh1t, telling me that Color Management control "enables Vivid Color Management automatically" is a no brainer, but would they care to explaine what Vivid Color Management is????

Any Idea where I can learn more in depth information about these settings

Rook

How can I glean good information from this thread - It's freaking 99 pages long!! I can't possible read thru this whole thing and retain any of the information. I'm looking for better specs and service menu instructions for the 42PD50U, any help?

Maybe think of starting a new thread with key points highlighted at the beginning?

Rook

The joy of faq's

Panasonic Plasma FAQ
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=407154

As for information from this thread that is missing in the faq, well, these things don't write themselves! I'm sure good samaritans can pass data on to Bruzzi for additions.

Hope you find some info there.

Yes, but without the 99 pages, I would never have known how much better the picture could look by using a CableCard :) (Sorry Optivity, couldn't resist)

WOW!!

I can't believe the problems that people are having getting a cable card.
I just bought my Sony 55xs955. Called Charter Comm to set up HD. Asked how much was the cable card, "1.50 a month", They came out and installed it no problem. I am amazed that some companies have the Bxlls to charge you the same price as the STB. That is almost a crime!! You are not getting the functionality of a set top box. The reason is that the PQ is outstanding with the cable card!!!! DiscoveryHD is the most amazing thing ever. I find myself watching the most absurd stuff just because I can't tear my eyes away from the screen. But with the cable card the picture is superior. If you can, get one!!.

Another happy PDP owner! ;)

Another happy PDP owner! ;)

CC gaining momentum and support. I'm actually surprised the PD50U doesn't have it...I know several people that recently bought rear projection LCD's due to having the CableCard slot.

CC gaining momentum and support. I'm actually surprised the PD50U doesn't have it...An oversight that Panasonic will most likely correct next year. :rolleyes:

An oversight that Panasonic will most likely correct next year. :rolleyes:

They had it last year. It disappeared as a cost cutting move.

They had it last year. It disappeared as a cost cutting move.Makes sense... unless you're competition (a.k.a. Samsung's SP-R4232) offer's it and you don't.

CC gaining momentum and support. I'm actually surprised the PD50U doesn't have it...I know several people that recently bought rear projection LCD's due to having the CableCard slot.

I guess if you don't want to ever use a DVR, don't want to order Pay Per View, don't want to watch video on demand, and the set has a good built-in guide, I kind of get that. But how many people really fall into that category?

I guess if you don't want to ever use a DVR, don't want to order Pay Per View, don't want to watch video on demand, and the set has a good built-in guide, I kind of get that. But how many people really fall into that category?While the first implementation of CableCARD technology may not be the panacea for CATV STBs, once two-way CableCARDs become standard many (perhaps most) will opt-out from using a cable-box.

If you're not too concerned about picture quality then a DVR will provide the ability to see time shifted reruns of "Joey" and the ability to rent PPV movies like "Are We There Yet?"

Did Matt LeBlanc try to pick up Mrs. Optivity or something? You really must hate that show... :D

Sorry Op, but I think you're the dissenting opinion on this one. Most everyone loves their DVR for timeshifting QUALITY shows (which is why most people have a TV in the first place, you know, to watch TV :rolleyes: ), and even if you don't have the DVR, video on demand allows you to catch up on the premium channel programming that you might miss that you're paying a pretty penny for.

We know you love your CC and your reasoning, which is awesome for you and I'm glad you're so happy with it, but quite frankly I think they dropped the ball rolling something out that's incompatible with such a large portion of available CATV services. I'd love to ditch the STB, but for a 3 digit cable bill, I'm going to squeeze every last bit of service out of Comcast I can...and for now that means a big old heat radiating STB until the advent of 2-way CC's and a DVR solution.

my $.02

Okay so is what people are saying that if I get the Cable Card I will not be able to use any Tivo...I can care less about on-demand pay per view or the cable TV guide (once I get the built in working). Right now I use an HD cable box and run a TIVO and DVD player (I just bought a PX500u)

Also if anyone has the TH-42PX500u I measure out the mounting holes on the back and measure the four at 26" across and 12 5/8" from top to bottom...could someone verify as I am providing the figures to Peerless to make an articulating arm for the model...

thanks!

What does STB stand for?

I'm with rogo and scottro. I would never consider an option that didn't include an excellent guide and DVR.

Of course CC isn't an option in Canada anyway, and the built-in guides are notoriously incompatible with our cable providers. I'm just lucky that my only option is also my preferred option.

What does STB stand for?

Stupid Timewarner Box :D

But more commonly known as Set Top Box (cable converter, satellite reciever, DVR, Tivo, OTA HD receiver, etc).

Did Matt LeBlanc try to pick up Mrs. Optivity or something? You really must hate that show... :D

Sorry Op, but I think you're the dissenting opinion on this one. Most everyone loves their DVR for timeshifting QUALITY shows (which is why most people have a TV in the first place, you know, to watch TV :rolleyes: ), and even if you don't have the DVR, video on demand allows you to catch up on the premium channel programming that you might miss that you're paying a pretty penny for.

We know you love your CC and your reasoning, which is awesome for you and I'm glad you're so happy with it, but quite frankly I think they dropped the ball rolling something out that's incompatible with such a large portion of available CATV services. I'd love to ditch the STB, but for a 3 digit cable bill, I'm going to squeeze every last bit of service out of Comcast I can...and for now that means a big old heat radiating STB until the advent of 2-way CC's and a DVR solution.

my $.02I don't mean to pick on ML per se... he's just an example of how bad most network TV is... for the extra $1.75 per month it's not like we can't afford both a DVR and a CC. While I've used an SA8000/8300HD-DVR for three years how many DVR advocates have tried a CableCARD? It's kind of foolish to say what is what unless you've used the technology.

It doesn't matter to me who prefers a CableCARD or an STB, but it should be acknowledged there is a trade-off with either approach. Picture quality versus DVR/program-guide/PPV/On-demand... I watched "Saving Private Ryan" last night on TNT-HD... it looked spectacular... If I leased an STB and paid for some premium(?) movies channels, maybe I could have viewed this rerun on-demand too. ;)

Thanks, I have comcast now, so there is no way to work the cable card and Tivo together? I haven't really looked at our current set up as I am swapping out my roomates components and he set everything up before. Ideally I want to minimize my components to the TV, a Tivo or DVR box and my sound system (Bose Series 1-2-3 GS II w/ DVD).

That way I don't need a cable box or DVD player.

How about an HD-Tivo with a 2-way CableCARD... there will be something like that... someday...

Great looking setup Paulie - Thanks for the pics and review! It's bizarre, but I have the exact same setup...okay, my stand is different. My PX500 is on the way and I've been running an S77 w/ Onkyo rcvr on my old pdp. Glad to hear the first impressions are positive.

Just friendly advice - I'd move the cable box down into the cabinet if possible and center the center channel in front of the set. Or, better yet, you could mount it right above. I'm actually using a DVD stand from Target that holds my center channel directly above my display. See my gallery if you're curious.

guess I will be waiting to get a cable card and upgrading the Tivo until both the HD Tivo and 2-way cable card are available. I am guessing the cable card slot on the 500u will also handle the 2-way cable card when it is developed.

Looks like an HD Tivo able to utilize cable cards will be available early next year...that will be the solution...in theory at least. Press release from Tivo below...

01/06/2005

tivo Developing High-Definition, Digital Cable Ready DVR

TiVo® DVR with CableCARD Will Offer Flexible, Fully Featured Platform for Accessing HD Broadcast and Broadband ContentCONSUMER ELECTRONICS SHOW, las vegas, NV - tivo (NASDAQ: tivo) today will demonstrate a high definition, digital cable ready DVR that will enable tivo subscribers to access the growing number of high definition broadcasts available over the air or through their cable provider without a separate set-top box. The DVR will support CableCARD technology, enabling consumers to access their favorite premium and HD cable channels with the ease of use and powerful search capabilities of the tivo® service. Moreover, as part of the "Tahiti" strategy announced at CES today, the new DVR will also allow consumers to access, download, and manage broadband content.
"We believe that the deployment of CableCARD technology is an essential development for the future of digital television. By eliminating the need for a separate set top box, consumers will enjoy more choice and flexibility over their entertainment delivery," said Mike Ramsay, chairman and chief executive officer, tivo. "TiVo will play a key role in driving this technology forward to bring it to the masses."

TiVo's HD CableCARD DVR will be a premium product marketed toward consumers that want the very best in home entertainment. Consumers will be able to record their favorite entertainment from many different sources - high-definition channels, premium cable channels, and video content available via broadband.

CableCARDs free consumers from needing a cable set top box and offer consumers choice in how they get their digital entertainment. By providing consumer choice, companies like tivo can provide an alternative to the traditional cable set top box and offer innovative services and content that address the consumer's personal interests.

The new HD CableCARD DVR is in development and tivo plans to launch the product early next year.

FINALLY! My 42PX500U is here! Pics and review later...

How about an HD-Tivo with a 2-way CableCARD... there will be something like that... someday...

Now you're talking!

I'm sure they'll find some way to taint the PQ and we'll all be wishing for our old school STB's and one-way CableCARD's...

Thanks, I have comcast now, so there is no way to work the cable card and Tivo together?

No, you can use the CC and Tivo (or DVR, or any STB) together. I agree w/ Optivity - yes, CC is currently limited, but that doesn't matter since you can still get a STB and the CC is so cheap you might as well pick it up to use for better PQ on normal viewing. I use my CC for ALL TV viewing. The only time I use my DVR is when I record something. Now with the TV Guide built into the PX500, I don't even have to switch over to the DVR to see the on screen guide, since I can use the PX500's built in guide.

TiVo's HD CableCARD DVR will be a premium product marketed toward consumers that want the very best in home entertainment. Consumers will be able to record their favorite entertainment from many different sources - high-definition channels, premium cable channels, and video content available via broadband.

I want the very best in home entertainment. . . .

So will this be priced for my HT budget.

Figure the odds! :(

Now you're talking!

I'm sure they'll find some way to taint the PQ and we'll all be wishing for our old school STB's and one-way CableCARD's...

Not to go too far off-topic - But while this sounds like a killer box, PQ will be tainted to some degree by default: A connection from the box is required. Even 1080i HD over HDMI from an SA 8300HD-DVR doensn't look as crisp and clear as 1080i from my CC. There is some minimal amount of processing that seems to always occur when another piece of equipment is brought into the loop.

Cory (and optivity), I'm assuming that (the CC and cableco DVR setup) requires switching inputs, etc. Do you find that a hassle at all?
Do you have a techno-challenged significant other that gives you grief about it? Mine gets confused just switching to watch a DVD...

Do you miss the instant replay/pause features of the DVR that would normally be available
if you were viewing through the DVR's tuner?

I'm just curious for next time...for all my negative talk about CC limitations I: a) Have never used one and b) Couldn't even if I wanted to (PD50)...

Perhaps I just like giving optivity a hard time?

Well, I finally got my 50PX50 mounted and here are some photos:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5856906&&#post5856906

I'm really happy with it so far. Greens are good and HD is amazing.

P.S. (page 100!)

Switching inputs hasn't been a problem, but then again I have an MX-850 remote that is activity based and the macros I've set up make it very intuitive to switch between "Watch TV" and "Watch DVR". Just a button press.

And no, I don't miss pause/rewind on the DVR on regular TV - I've found that feature to be generally a novelty for me. I really prefer to watch things live.

There's something more engaging about waching the original broadcast - and I'm sure part of that is attributed to the superior PQ & SQ. I've found it's pretty sketchy getting a lock on a Dolby D bitstream through the DVR. My DVR often just passes the Pro Logic track and the difference in sound is striking. Analog programming looks and sounds significantly better via CC since there's no MPEG encoding and compression going on before display. Honestly, I've found the difference in SQ to be even more notable.

Quick hookup question:

Have the following on the way:
37PX50U
S77 DVD player
HD TiVo

Both the HD TiVo and DVD have HDMI output, but the TV has only one HDMI input. Which one should I hook up. Normally, I would think this would be a no-brainer and hook up the TiVo to the HDMI, but in reading through a variety of postings, most have said that there is little/no perceptable difference hooking up the HD TiVo to HDMI vs. Component and there have been many reports of difficulties with the HD TiVo HDMI output as well. I'll be watching a lot more TiVo than DVDs, so #1 concern is the best picture out of the TiVo, but if they are even with HDMI vs. Component, I've got no problem going HDMI on the DVD.

Thoughts?

Hello,
I also have a hook up question. I have the following equipment coming to me next week:

TH-42PX500U
Panasonic S97
Onkyo S780 HTiB
Cox Cable STB with DVR (I would get a cable card, but I need to have my DVR)

So, my questions are:
(1) Should I cancel my cox cable DVR and just get HDTivo, then use the cable card slot to control my cable?
(2) What should I set the DVD player to? Should I upscan to 1080i?
(3) Any other tips you'd recommend with this set up, also knowing that I have every video game system and a pelican system selector to handle all the consoles, which will go into one of the component inputs.

Quick hookup question:

Have the following on the way:
37PX50U
S77 DVD player
HD TiVo

Both the HD TiVo and DVD have HDMI output, but the TV has only one HDMI input. Which one should I hook up. Normally, I would think this would be a no-brainer and hook up the TiVo to the HDMI, but in reading through a variety of postings, most have said that there is little/no perceptable difference hooking up the HD TiVo to HDMI vs. Component and there have been many reports of difficulties with the HD TiVo HDMI output as well. I'll be watching a lot more TiVo than DVDs, so #1 concern is the best picture out of the TiVo, but if they are even with HDMI vs. Component, I've got no problem going HDMI on the DVD. Thoughts?

A common theme i've seen here in past posts is that HDMI/DVI gives a little sharper image, but Component gives better color. To what extent probably depends on your TV and how it gets along with each video source.

Can you connect your HD Tivo to your TV with both HDMI and Component simultaneously output to both TV inputs? If so, maybe you can switch the TV between both inputs and note which looks better with your Tivo, then do the same with your DVD player and see which connection looks better and that should give you a better idea of which source gets the HDMI cable and which gets the Component cable.

TH-42PX500U
Panasonic S97
Onkyo S780 HTiB
Cox Cable STB with DVR (I would get a cable card, but I need to have my DVR)

(1) Should I cancel my cox cable DVR and just get HDTivo, then use the cable card slot to control my cable?

If you want HD Tivo, you'll have to subscribe to DirecTV. With all the switching to MPEG4 stuff coming down the pike this year you're probaby better off going with the cable DVR for now until things are settled in DirecTV land, then decide if you want to switch from cable to DirecTV. I was going to get DirecTV Tivo a few years ago but found out about the new cable DVRs and it's a much better option for me.

…I received my s77s DVD player yesterday and Spiderman was glorious….With regards to the s77s, it seemed that setting it to output 480p rather than 720p or 1080i worked best for me. Could this be because the PX500 does better up-converting than the s77s?....

Congrats CatfishJohn. Also, thanks for the info on how the S77 PX500 combo worked!
Using Secrets standard test of chapter 22 of A Bug’s Life, how do you find the MB (macroblocking bug)? TIA

Anyone still get cablecard noise in 50u or 500u?
What do you mean... "cablecard noise?"

There were previous posts that the card made continual clicking noises all night when the set was off. Something about receiving signals from the cable company?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5782199&highlight=cablecard#post5782199

Two things about CableCard:

(1) There is almost a zero percent chance ANY of these sets will work with a 2-way CableCard. I doubt they are even engineered to maybe make it work.

(2) The Tivo w/CableCard is, well, maybe not coming anytime soon. That was announced before the Comcast deal and I assure you the latter is more important.

was just informed that the BSS stores here in the DC area have the 50px500's in stock and on display. told him i would try and stop by tonight to see it(to make sure he wasn't bluffing) and he didn't flinch!;) I don't know if I can contain myself anymore, i MIGHT have to bite the bullet and pay retail! Thoughts? should i wait or just buy tonight?

Not to go too far off-topic - But while this sounds like a killer box, PQ will be tainted to some degree by default: A connection from the box is required. Even 1080i HD over HDMI from an SA 8300HD-DVR doensn't look as crisp and clear as 1080i from my CC. There is some minimal amount of processing that seems to always occur when another piece of equipment is brought into the loop.This has been my experience too. Think of all those HD-DVRs going through their perpetual shock tests before they ever reach your home. A flakey tuner here and a rumbling hard drive there.

Cory (and optivity), I'm assuming that (the CC and cableco DVR setup) requires switching inputs, etc. Do you find that a hassle at all?
Do you have a techno-challenged significant other that gives you grief about it? Mine gets confused just switching to watch a DVD...

Do you miss the instant replay/pause features of the DVR that would normally be available if you were viewing through the DVR's tuner?

I'm just curious for next time...for all my negative talk about CC limitations I: a) Have never used one and b) Couldn't even if I wanted to (PD50)...

Perhaps I just like giving optivity a hard time?My main concern regarding a dual DVR/CableCARD setup would be splitting the incoming coax cable. The WAF is technically challenged, fortunately for her she has a full-time “geek” available. She won’t even turn-on the PDP if I’m not home and must suffer with a 36” HD-ready CRT-TV instead. I can be an opinionated SOB… so fire away at will… I probably deserve it.

Two things about CableCard:

(1) There is almost a zero percent chance ANY of these sets will work with a 2-way CableCard. I doubt they are even engineered to maybe make it work.

(2) The Tivo w/CableCard is, well, maybe not coming anytime soon. That was announced before the Comcast deal and I assure you the latter is more important.Everything I’ve read so far leads me to believe you are correct. I’m wondering when two-way CableCARDs become standard, if it would be possible to swap-out a one-way CableCARD slot to enable interactive services; an obvious benefit for both the consumer and CATV provider. Comcast, Time Warner, Motorola and Scientific-Atlanta would surely love to control OpenCable standards and Verizon’s ability to implement their FIOS service. Its amazing how BIG Corporations manipulate the consumer without him even realizing it.

was just informed that the BSS stores here in the DC area have the 50px500's in stock and on display. told him i would try and stop by tonight to see it(to make sure he wasn't bluffing) and he didn't flinch!;) I don't know if I can contain myself anymore, i MIGHT have to bite the bullet and pay retail! Thoughts? should i wait or just buy tonight?

Fight the urge. If they won't deal, walk away. You've waited this long, what's another week or so?

I'm considering getting the PX500U instead of the PX50U.
But I'm curious about the TVGuide functionality.
What crazy connections do I need to get it working: a phone jack, a CableCard slot, some doohickey from my cable company? How does the Programming Guide magically get to my TV screen?
All I have is plain ol' vanilla cable from Adelphia.
Thanks for any info you can provide.
mk

mk - You need nothing special. It pulls the info right out of your existing cable stream. Simple as that. (okay, sometimes it doesn't work as planned, but that's all it takes.)

Thanks for the reply.
Given your answer, my next question would be, "so TVGuide is able to piggyback on Adelphia's cable stream?"
Is there some agreement whereby TVGuide has the permission of Adelphia to transmit their programming guide using Adelphia cable signals?
mk

I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but have any of you with the 500s looked for or noticed a horizontal line in the center of the screen like the Brits are complaining about in the AV Forums? They mention that it's noticible with a static image (ie. a PC connected with a solid background/wallpaper). Just curious if the same anomoly appears in the US version.

Drivie

Can anyone tell me how the Pioneer PQ measures up with Panny PQ? I was comparing the 500U to the cheaper Pioneer series and the Elite series.

Any of the owner of 42PD50 or PX50 play Halo 2 with it? I'm thinking of replacing my HD LCDTV with plasma, and I mainly play game and watch DVD with it. My current LCD TV has pretty bad black, so in Halo 2, some of the darker map is hard to see enemies on my screen (ie. Warlock map). So I'm temped to buy either 42PD50 or PX50, but I need to be sure if the black problem will resolved.
Also, which one has better PQ overall? 42PD50? Or PX50? I'll be watching it at about 6-8 feet away.

Also, how is the SD quality on the PX50 and PD50? Are there any differences?

Fight the urge. If they won't deal, walk away. You've waited this long, what's another week or so?


FOOS WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I NEEDED YOU! I just bit the bullet last night and ordered the 50px500! so i started thinking.....panny will definitely start dropping prices on the px50's waaay before the 500's, right? so how long would i actually be okay waiting for? To save how much? Anyway, that's my excuse and rationale. They swung an oookay deal, just a hair under 5 and free delivery. in any event, it should be coming today between 4-8pm. i just couldn't take it anymore! lets hope stores start dropping prices soon and i can at least get some price matching action! anyway, i'll update you all tonight on the my findings! i'll try and upload some pics too:)

Redleaf

The guide will not come from the cable company but through the same cable you have already hooked. The guide is in the "TV GUIDE" format and is very nice but not identical to the one supplied by the cable company. I guess the guide is transmitted through the PBS channel and should be good for a week or so.

Sergio

FOOS WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I NEEDED YOU! I just bit the bullet last night and ordered the 50px500! so i started thinking.....panny will definitely start dropping prices on the px50's waaay before the 500's, right? so how long would i actually be okay waiting for? To save how much? Anyway, that's my excuse and rationale. They swung an oookay deal, just a hair under 5 and free delivery. in any event, it should be coming today between 4-8pm. i just couldn't take it anymore! lets hope stores start dropping prices soon and i can at least get some price matching action! anyway, i'll update you all tonight on the my findings! i'll try and upload some pics too:)I paid MSRP for my 50PX50U, which on May 1st was the only one CC had in stock. I've enjoyed watching my 50U ever since... last night I saw "Into the West" on TNT-HD... Through CableCARD the picture my PDP rendered was "awesome!" Twenty years form now you won't care about what you paid for your PDP last night. Congratulations on your purchase. You are really going to enjoy watching your 50PX500U. Post up some pics... preferably from delivery, to unboxing, to setting up your PDP. It's a really cool experience.

If you haven't done so already, be sure to check out Panasonic’s White Paper (http://www.fcw.com/vendorsolutions/panasonicplasma.pdf#search='panasonic%20white%20paper' ) regarding Plasma Facts and Myths and the proper break-in procedures to use with your new PDP.

I just bought 2 Panasonics TH-50PX50Us and out of 2 both have very bad pics. Alot
of grain and blurry. I have a 42" Pana and it is great looking. I pluged both into a key systems dist amp and am looking at both at the same time and the new 50 is very bad I have vert lines across and fuzz. 42 great. Have tried everything like power cond and new wires on the wall of the wall all the inputs. Direct fron Sony HD100 sat through Denon AVR3803 rec. Nothing works took it back got a new one and same thing. The 2nd one i bought went to a friends house was hooked up last night and same it suks. Anyone have any trouble with the new 50Us.

anyone know the dimensions of the stand on the px500's?

Is there some agreement whereby TVGuide has the permission of Adelphia to transmit their programming guide using Adelphia cable signals?Redleaf,

Gemstar-TV Guide's interactive program guide is broadcast to you by your local PBS station(s). Regardless of whether it's over-the-air or through cable, if you've got a PBS station, you will receive the program guide. I have Adelphia and I receive the TV Guide On Screen guide without any problems.

Also, how is the SD quality on the PX50 and PD50? Are there any differences?

The SD PQ is dependent on the source. I have a SA8300HD box and SD PQ is as good if not better on my 42" PD50U than my former 32" Toshiba CRT. Pleasantly surprised.

JCPZero

Thanks, PigOnTheWing,
Now I just have to wait for the Bush White House to eliminate the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, and then we'll have NO PBS! :)

I just purchased a TH-42PX50U and noticed similar problem with my blacks to what many in the "Pan TH-42PHD7UY Black level changing" thread have claimed to have. I am reposting parts of my original post in that thread because I am interested in finding out if other owners of the 42px50U have this problem seen in the 42HD7UY, and because as a new member I seem to be denied access to posting url's ;)

The panel reproduces wonderful images IMHO but when a scene seems to shift from light to dark, especially when there is camera pan with a dark and light transition, the whole black level of the screen seems to flick to a different gain. It is especially noticeable with any kind of letter-boxing black bars adjacent to such scenes, I am still under 100 hours and have tried to avoid the bars but this black issue warranted further testing. I have a SA8300HD DVR hooked up to the TV through HDMI and a Sony DVD player hooked up through the component inputs. Both sources do this and it is reproducible by playing the same DVD frames over again and even replaying a recorded show on the SA8300.

I originally had though I was imagining the whole thing but it it pretty consistent and reproducible. It is not a case of reading about a problem and making it come true as I had never read the 42HD7UY black problems thread because I wasn't that interested in the commercial panel to begin with. I only went looking for it after I noticed this problem in my TH-42PX50U and it came up in search I did here at AVS.

I have a 30 day guarantee at CC and was wondering if I should have them exchange the TV for a new one while I can? If it seems other have this and it is common I may just not bother exchanging it or even seeing if I can swap up to a PX500 model. Anyone else seen this commonly on this consumer model as opposed to the commercial ones?


-Jerry C.

The panel reproduces wonderful images IMHO but when a scene seems to shift from light to dark, especially when there is camera pan with a dark and light transition, the whole black level of the screen seems to flick to a different gain. It is especially noticeable with any kind of letter-boxing black bars adjacent to such scenes, I am still under 100 hours and have tried to avoid the bars but this black issue warranted further testing. I have a SA8300HD DVR hooked up to the TV through HDMI and a Sony DVD player hooked up through the component inputs. Both sources do this and it is reproducible by playing the same DVD frames over again and even replaying a recorded show on the SA8300.

I originally had though I was imagining the whole thing but it it pretty consistent and reproducible. It is not a case of reading about a problem and making it come true as I had never read the 42HD7UY black problems thread because I wasn't that interested in the commercial panel to begin with. I only went looking for it after I noticed this problem in my TH-42PX50U and it came up in search I did here at AVS.

I have a 30 day guarantee at CC and was wondering if I should have them exchange the TV for a new one while I can? If it seems other have this and it is common I may just not bother exchanging it or even seeing if I can swap up to a PX500 model. Anyone else seen this commonly on this consumer model as opposed to the commercial ones?


-Jerry C.

Sorry to hear of your problem. I have the 50px50u and haven't experienced what you are describing. The only thing that comes close is when a camera pans from dark to light (or vise-versa) the camera exposure may change affecting black levels of the entire scene. But there is no difference in black bars. If you have ruled this simple explanation out and there is in fact a decided 'flicking' to another gain you should get it checked out or just return the thing. I definitely wouldn't try to live with it, especially given your return policy.

FOOS WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I NEEDED YOU! I just bit the bullet last night and ordered the 50px500! so i started thinking.....panny will definitely start dropping prices on the px50's waaay before the 500's, right? so how long would i actually be okay waiting for? To save how much? Anyway, that's my excuse and rationale. They swung an oookay deal, just a hair under 5 and free delivery. in any event, it should be coming today between 4-8pm. i just couldn't take it anymore! lets hope stores start dropping prices soon and i can at least get some price matching action! anyway, i'll update you all tonight on the my findings! i'll try and upload some pics too:)

In the end, what does money mean anyway! I just got my PX500, and I no longer think of what I spent on it. ;) You could wait for 2 years for what ever is out then... :) I'm certain they will have 1080p and CableCard v3 by then... :D

Through CableCARD the picture my PDP rendered was "awesome!"

Haven't received my cable card yet (that's for monday) but I have been watching InHD today, and it's awesome! Can't wait for the CC!

Slightly off topic, but a tip for those in a situation like mine, I have an X-Box hooked up to my PDP. I had a MadCat component adapter, which caused lots of ghosting. I spent $19 on a Microsoft component adapter, and it solved all my ghosting issues (which a $125 Monster component cable could not fix).

Lesson learned: Good connections and adapters are alpha and omega.

Also, for those keeping score: My 42PX500U has no evidence of any green push. If anyone wants any specific Avia or DVE screenshots, let me know.