nullspace - the unit does have a large hump on the bottom, so I suspect Sanus is correct that the thin mount won't work.

By a hump on the bottom, do you mean the back side of the plasma? Can anyone provide any dimensions on the 500U's bolt spacing and if there is a projection on the back that would interefere with a wall mount?

Thanks

Would the Sanus VMPL25 Ultra Thin Mount be appropriate for the Panasonic 50U? Will finally be purchasing a Plasma this summer. I know I am getting close as I am on the Forum several times daily and particularly gravitate towards this Thread. Have made visits to the usual stores and to my eyes { Myopia & Diplopia with Astigmatism} the Pio 5040 looks the best, but not $1000 better. I had narrowed it down to the Commercial Panasonic OR THE 50u. Prefered the speaker-less look of the Commercial Plasma but it is coming down to Warranty issues. I believe the 50U offers 2 yr. in Home vs. 1 yr. Carry-In.{correct me if that is incorrect} I have no way to transport a TV of that size!! My only connections will be a STB with DVR and my CP-72 Panasonic DVD Player. Am already starting to wrestle with wall hanging issues, thus my question on the Mount. Thanks

Hi nullspace people use the tilt mount to greatly help with daytime screen reflections. In bright rooms. My 6UY picks up room objects reflections and just a small titl can help.

By a hump on the bottom, do you mean the back side of the plasma? Can anyone provide any dimensions on the 500U's bolt spacing and if there is a projection on the back that would interefere with a wall mount?

I saw a 42PX500U for the first time yesterday. There are huge humps on the bottom rear that appear to house large speakers. I remember thinking that this panel would be almost impossible to wall mount, or at least would stick out several inches. I think it's the thickest plasma i've ever seen. Someone recently posted pictures of their new 500U and i seem to remember a side view that showed the humps.

Thanks for the quick replies. I tracked down those pictures (Paulie and CatfishJohn both posted some), and you can see the humps. I'm glad I asked before ordering the thin mount.

I've been a lurker for quite a while, and I really appreciate all the information. I'm excited about my new setup. I've used these forums to choose the TV, stand (I modified an IKEA shelving unit and it turned out great), and a new receiver I've yet to order. I'll post pics and answer any questions when it's all set up.

what a day....... after 2 cable cards and 2 new HD boxes(long story), it's finally up and running. For the record, I have to say, Optivity.....you're right. The SD channels are better, much less noise in the picture and the hd's are more crisp and clear. colors actually seem better too? i'm just now starting to play with the program guide, so i'll keep you posted on how that ends up working for me.

At any rate , it was a long afternoon and ALMOST had to go nearly a week with basic cable due to some programming issue on their end and "locked" my account by accident or something. But after begging the cable guy to tr just one more time, to his surprise, it worked!

in the end, due to my endless patience, sense of humor and charming wit;), he gave me a month of all free movie channels including the HD one’s too! So i'll be enjoying the next month of movie watching. :) thanks for the advice and continual bombardment and praise of the cable card optivity, IMHO, so far, it's so worth it!! :D

Thanks for the quick replies. I tracked down those pictures (Paulie and CatfishJohn both posted some), and you can see the humps. I'm glad I asked before ordering the thin mount.

I've been a lurker for quite a while, and I really appreciate all the information. I'm excited about my new setup. I've used these forums to choose the TV, stand (I modified an IKEA shelving unit and it turned out great), and a new receiver I've yet to order. I'll post pics and answer any questions when it's all set up.


I recently received and mounted my TH-50PX500U to the wall using a Sanus VMPL50 flat mount that mounts the Plasma 2.5" from the wall. This appears to be the closest that the 500U will be able to mount. There is still a bit of ability to tilt the screen (although not the full travel of the mount) allowing for wiring connections for those with a good tactile sense or a convenient mirror to help. The plastic cover for the wiring will not be able to be used when mounted this way. The mounting holes are spaced 26" apart horizontally with about a 12.5" vertical spacing.

Be sure to have two people to install; especially if it's in a nook with close tolerances on each side of the unit!

Hope this helps :)

im sure alot of people are choosing the 500 over the 50 because of the pc input - but the question is why cant you just use the s-vid or a dvi-hdmi port (if you have either connection on your videocard). Would the quality be better from the vga port? Anybody hook up the 500 or 50 to a pc? Im wondering how it would look, any feedback from anybody that has a pc hooked up? How did you hook it up/how does it look? Thanks

im sure alot of people are choosing the 500 over the 50 because of the pc input - but the question is why cant you just use the s-vid or a dvi-hdmi port (if you have either connection on your videocard). Would the quality be better from the vga port? Anybody hook up the 500 or 50 to a pc? Im wondering how it would look, any feedback from anybody that has a pc hooked up? How did you hook it up/how does it look? Thanks


In my experience the picture looks fine if you have a DVI video card or VGA --- even a tad better with the DVI.
I just think most people have vga and dont wont to change out their video cards


Tico
Tico@tvauthority.com

mscappa, what is the dimensions of the stand for the 500U? Do you have the 42 or 50 inch? Thanks.

Thanks ocmotoxfan - that's perfect. I just ordered a VMPL50 from Onecall.

what a day....... after 2 cable cards and 2 new HD boxes(long story), it's finally up and running. For the record, I have to say, Optivity.....you're right. The SD channels are better, much less noise in the picture and the hd's are more crisp and clear. colors actually seem better too? i'm just now starting to play with the program guide, so i'll keep you posted on how that ends up working for me.

At any rate , it was a long afternoon and ALMOST had to go nearly a week with basic cable due to some programming issue on their end and "locked" my account by accident or something. But after begging the cable guy to tr just one more time, to his surprise, it worked!

in the end, due to my endless patience, sense of humor and charming wit;), he gave me a month of all free movie channels including the HD one’s too! So i'll be enjoying the next month of movie watching. :) thanks for the advice and continual bombardment and praise of the cable card optivity, IMHO, so far, it's so worth it!! :D

Another CC lover :)

Would the Sanus VMPL25 Ultra Thin Mount be appropriate for the Panasonic 50U? Will finally be purchasing a Plasma this summer. I know I am getting close as I am on the Forum several times daily and particularly gravitate towards this Thread. Have made visits to the usual stores and to my eyes { Myopia & Diplopia with Astigmatism} the Pio 5040 looks the best, but not $1000 better. I had narrowed it down to the Commercial Panasonic OR THE 50u. Prefered the speaker-less look of the Commercial Plasma but it is coming down to Warranty issues. I believe the 50U offers 2 yr. in Home vs. 1 yr. Carry-In.{correct me if that is incorrect} I have no way to transport a TV of that size!! My only connections will be a STB with DVR and my CP-72 Panasonic DVD Player. Am already starting to wrestle with wall hanging issues, thus my question on the Mount. Thanks

Several people have reported success using the Sanus thin mounts. I have the VMPL2 that I'm about to put up...almost the same as the VMPL250, I think a bit wider and beefier. Any of the Sanus VMPL's should work, just check the weight limit if your buying a 50".

As for warranty, it's 1 year in home for the PX50U not 2 years.

I know this isn't the DVD thread, but FYI...I just bought a Samsung HD950 upconverting DVD player from TVA and hooked it up via HDMI to the PX50U and it works flawlessly...very nice picture.

Man, the PX50U continues to impress me (with no CC), no remorse.

Hi guys. I am new here and have been looking into buying an HDTV. I am not ready yet as I just got married and need to get back on my feet. I have started saving though and have had my eye on the Panasonic TH42PX50U 42" Plasma.

I will try to read through the thread, but was wondering if anyone had any quick impressions on it or could give me any advice. In the store it is $3100 and online it is cheaper. I really cant go over that spending limit. Is ordering online risky? Thanks in advance. :)

.....I just got married and need to get back on my feet.

Wow, that must have been a GREAT honeymoon :D

Wow, that must have been a GREAT honeymoon :D

Nice, I didnt catch that one. :p

I spoke with Panasonic tech support over the phone this weekend about my Panasonic TH-42PX50U. They told me that the electronic buz that changes intesity along with the screen brightness is normal in all plasma TVs....

Anyways, I went to a local store where they had lots of plasmas and indeed they all had some level of buzz. The Panasonic seemed to be one of the lowder though. In the store I could not hear the buzz over the relatively quiet "people buzz" from anywhere else farther than a foot or two away from the TV.

Mine is audible and not too loud, but certainly I'd prefer if it was not there.

Does anyone know precisely which components emit this noise?

By listening closely at the back of the TV I can locate the noise coming from somewhere at the left side of the panel (when looking at it from the back). It sounds like it is not a point source but may be several individual components, perhaps one of the bank of transistors with the heat sinks???

Anyways, I also found out that the TV has three fans on top/back. Now that I know that, I can hear them from my seating position about 8 feet away ever so slightly when I turn the TV on and they "rev-up" for a first time. After that I do not notice them - they are very quiet.

So - do you hear your fan noise? If you do not then your environment is probably noisy or your hearing can tolerate them just fine :)

kocho, my experiences mirror yours almost exactly. My weekend was spent investigating the buzz and have come to the conclusion that I'm more sensitive to electronic noise from TVs than most. My conclusion is based on a number of factors.

1. My two CRT TVs make at least as much noise as my new plasma. The characteristics of the buzz is slightly different between the three, but the buzz exists on all. When I'm watching TV and not trying to find fault with it, I do not notice it.

2. No one else who I've demonstrated the buzz to could here anything beyond 5 feet from the plasma, even when muted.

3. My experience has indicated that my hearing is better than average.

Unless it increases in magnitude, I'm not going to worry about it.

I haven't noticed any fan noise, but I haven't listened for it exclusively. It may be that the noise I'm hearing is a combination of electronic and fan noise.

For the record, I have to say, Optivity.....you're right. The SD channels are better, much less noise in the picture and the hd's are more crisp and clear. colors actually seem better too?

thanks for the advice and continual bombardment and praise of the cable card optivity, IMHO, so far, it's so worth it!! :DI hate to say it... but... I told you so... ;)

the PX50U continues to impress me (with no CC), no remorseI do miss the convenience of being able to record reruns of "Joey" :D

I'm getting a little confused here. I'm rechecking the pictures on the back of the 500Xs that have been posted and now notice the large bump in back. I was planning on wall mounting.

Has anyone wall mounted a 50PX500?

Does the bump make it stick out further than any other Plasma?

I've seen a couple of posts that suggest a 2.5inch space. I think that compares to about a 1.5 inch space which is typical for any plasma. Is that right?

An extra 1 inch won't kill me for better sound from the TV but is the TV itself much thicker as well?

Are we talking about all in a 8inch space from the wall as opposed to 5-6inches for a 50PX50?

Can someone comment on the total space of a wall mounted 50PX50 from wall to front of tv?

Can someone with a PX500 or PX50 please run the Avia or DVE overscan pattern on HDMI and or component and report the % overscan on these new units? Mines on the way and I'm just curious.

I'm getting a little confused here. I'm rechecking the pictures on the back of the 500Xs that have been posted and now notice the large bump in back. I was planning on wall mounting.

Has anyone wall mounted a 50PX500?

Does the bump make it stick out further than any other Plasma?

I've seen a couple of posts that suggest a 2.5inch space. I think that compares to about a 1.5 inch space which is typical for any plasma. Is that right?

An extra 1 inch won't kill me for better sound from the TV but is the TV itself much thicker as well?

Are we talking about all in a 8inch space from the wall as opposed to 5-6inches for a 50PX50?

Can someone comment on the total space of a wall mounted 50PX50 from wall to front of tv?

The 50PX50 is 3 51/64" deep. The 50PX500 is 5.4" deep. So basically the PX500 is 1.5 inches thicker. I wouldn't worry about a huge difference in wall mounted appearance. BTW, the 42" models, strangely, have the exact same depth as the 50's.

Oh, and a side shot someone else posted:
http://www.innerbean.com/housecor/px500_pictures/images/p52bm.jpg
Also, I threw the pics everyone else has posted of their PX500 together on a quick page. Yes, I'm that keyed up waiting for my PX500 to show! :D

Here's the URL if anyone is interested: http://www.innerbean.com/housecor/px500_pictures/

Oh, and for anyone who hasn't tried Picasa by Google yet, do it. Awesome free app.

Now that is service. Really appreciate the quick reply. Where did you order it from?

Can someone with a PX500 or PX50 please run the Avia or DVE overscan pattern on HDMI and or component and report the % overscan on these new units? Mines on the way and I'm just curious.

For component on the PX50 it is between 3% and 4% depending on the side in question. I didn't test HDMI as I prefer the component connection.

Now that is service. Really appreciate the quick reply. Where did you order it from?

Glad to help. Actually, I didn't order it at all. My 6th gen PD25 has an issue Panny has been unable to correct under warranty so they're replacing it w/ a PX500. Needless to say, they've made a loyal Panny customer out of me. :D

Hi everyone! I just ordered my px 50u last night from Extreme Electronics. After hanging around the forums in and out for some time I decided to make the plunge. I got a pretty fair deal and excellent service from Chris Majoros who was knowledgeable and very accomdating. My PLA1 arrived yesterday which I plan to mount in a nook about my fireplace.

I went with the 50 instead of the 500 mainly because it was a better fit although saving few hundred dollars was important. I like the fact that the speakers are beneath the screen as I'd rather have height than width and I like the fact that the TV is 1.5" narrower.

Spending money like water now. Ordered a MX3000 and dvd and cables. I think I'll hold off on the receiver until switching becomes more commonplace.

I'll post pics when its up.
Hooray!

With my 50PX50, I am getting about 3 - 4% overscan using the HDNet test signal over the component connection. I haven't tested HDMI yet since I am very satisfied with component. I am saving the HDMI input for a HDDVD/PS3 next year.

For component on the PX50 it is between 3% and 4% depending on the side in question. I didn't test HDMI as I prefer the component connection.

Thanks for posting Dan and Matt. That sounds like an improvement from my PD25 which was at around 5% all around OOTB. Sadly, it's looking more and more like we have to live with the factory overscan on the 8th gen models.

3 to 5% Overscan is with in the Standard.

It sounds like most of you guys are with in that.

So go enjoy the picture and try to find something else that needs our attention:)

Dave

I resoundingly agree.

First, in May I ordered a 52" rear prj tv and had to return it. They scheduled a pickup from UPS with a pickup window of 9am to 7pm, but they screwed up the request so I had to stay at home 3 days before they got the pickup right.

Then in late June I ordered my plasma. The order was stuck on hold for a week because my credit card fraud alert blocked the purchase and noone followed up to tell me. That was resolved, and I switched my order to the 50PX500 which had been released in the meantime.
Last Tuesday the local freight terminal refused shipment on my plasma because it was massively damaged in transit. I am still trying to get them to ship me a replacement a week later.

Please excuse the following cathartic rant:

Last Tuesday I called them when I saw the refused-damaged status from the freight company and they said they had been notified of the damage and I would receive a call that day or the next morning with a replacement order number.

Wednesday pm I called back because I hadn't been called. I was told unless I remembered the name of who I had talked to the previous day, she would have to start the process over and contact the shipping company to get more information before a replacement could be sent, and she would call me as soon as she had any info.

I was out of town Thurs-Sunday, but my cell was my contact number - no call.

Monday am - called and said its been almost a week and nothings been done. Was told someone called the freight company on Thursday, but they couldn't ship a replacement until they had confirmation that the damaged unit was being returned. They didn't know if this had happened and the person who was handling it wasn't in today and I'd have to wait and call back tomorrow ?!?!?!?!?!? :mad: He asked if I'd like to leave a message on the guy's voicemail. I said no, I wanted to talk to a supervisor. He said ok, then transferred me to the guy's voicemail anyway!?!?!?!?! I called back and asked for a supervisor, but got his voicemail. I left a message, but received no call back.

Tuesday am - today. called again, and now finally a request was made to their ops department to issue a replacement order. Supposedly this will ship out today, and I'll receive a callback today with a tracking number. I'm not holding my breath.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Were it not for the EPP discount I would never do business with them again.As luck would have it, my plasma arrived at the local freight terminal this morning at 8am. At 11:30 the status changed to damaged. :eek: That's two in a row. It took 9 days to ship the replacement after the first damaged plasma. I called Panasonic and left a message for the supervisor I'd worked with to finally get the replacement shipped. He finally called back late this afternoon and said a replacement would be shipped overnight, so depending on whether it goes out in time today I'll either be getting it today or tomorrow. Finally some customer service!! :) It only took a month.

So the chronology for this ordeal is:
18Jun Ordered 50PX50
23Jun changed order to50PX500 after order held up by credit card fraud protect
01Jul shipped
05Jul damaged
14Jul replacement shipped
19Jul damaged
19/20Jul replacement shipped

How will it end?

A. 20/21Jul delivered??
or
B. Head put through wall and ER visit??

Stay tuned...


BTW, if you ever ship something via freight, I would not recommend PilotAir. I think they currently employ that gorilla from the old Samsonite commercials.

BTW, if you ever ship something via freight, I would not recommend PilotAir. I think they currently employ that gorilla from the old Samsonite commercials.

Oh great, don't tell me that. They're shipping mine...

If you think ordering/shipping a plasma is troublesome, try ordering wood blinds for a house...ordered Hunter Douglas 2 5/8" blinds for a new house...dude that delivered it wheeled the cartons into the garage and said, "Wow, looks like someone got a little rough with these."

Multiple shipments later, 2.5 months later and people can no longer peer into our house...and my wife is finally talking to me again and has stopped yelling at me for doing it myself.

I think that's an often overlooked part of the buying experience.
Ask your sellers about their shipping.
A shipping mistake is a one time thing or unacceptable.
I guess I'll give my shippers a bonus, b/c they have repeatedly saved me the hassle of exchanges from day 1.

Oh great, don't tell me that. They're shipping mine...

Yikes, mine too.

I did this on a TH-50PX500U

"While pressing the VOLUME - (minus) button on the Plasma,
press the "RECALL" button on the Remote Control 3 times in a row (within 2 seconds).
Then press "1" on the remote two times until you see OPTION BOOT ROM.
Now press and hold the MUTE key on the remote for 3 seconds.
TIME = Hours of Operation (Hex Numbers)
COUNT = How many times the Plasma was powered on
Switch off the power (Using the remote or the plasma button) to exit the service menu."

But here is my question?

On the last screen that come up with the TIME and COUNT info what is?

Can someone tell me what the second line reads
Looks like something like this

0000: FA

I think that I by mistake chnaged the FA from something else. I would like to set it back to what is should be, not sure what this isbut I by mistake changed it with the vol change when I was in this menu.

Thanks
Mike

I did this on a TH-50PX500U

"While pressing the VOLUME - (minus) button on the Plasma,
press the "RECALL" button on the Remote Control 3 times in a row (within 2 seconds).
Then press "1" on the remote two times until you see OPTION BOOT ROM.
Now press and hold the MUTE key on the remote for 3 seconds.
TIME = Hours of Operation (Hex Numbers)
COUNT = How many times the Plasma was powered on
Switch off the power (Using the remote or the plasma button) to exit the service menu."

But here is my question?

On the last screen that come up with the TIME and COUNT info what is?

Can someone tell me what the second line reads
Looks like something like this

0000: FA

I think that I by mistake chnaged the FA from something else. I would like to set it back to what is should be, not sure what this isbut I by mistake changed it with the vol change when I was in this menu.

Thanks
Mike


If It's in the second line, that's the EEPROM ADDRESS which changes the EEPROM Value. Not sure what It'll affect by changing this setting so you should ask another PX500 owner to access the Service Menu (Anyone ???) and check the default value. And be careful as the volume + , - change the settings.



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I did this on a TH-50PX500U

"While pressing the VOLUME - (minus) button on the Plasma,
press the "RECALL" button on the Remote Control 3 times in a row (within 2 seconds).
Then press "1" on the remote two times until you see OPTION BOOT ROM.
Now press and hold the MUTE key on the remote for 3 seconds.
TIME = Hours of Operation (Hex Numbers)
COUNT = How many times the Plasma was powered on
Switch off the power (Using the remote or the plasma button) to exit the service menu."

But here is my question?

On the last screen that come up with the TIME and COUNT info what is?

Can someone tell me what the second line reads
Looks like something like this

0000: FA

I think that I by mistake chnaged the FA from something else. I would like to set it back to what is should be, not sure what this isbut I by mistake changed it with the vol change when I was in this menu.

Thanks
Mike


mine reads 0000: 00

Hey all. 50u arrived on time, and have been upgrading cable to HD, and getting things hooked up. All I can say is WOW, ...when viewing Discovery HD, it looks like you could walk right into the screen. I am now about 20 hrs into the break-in period. I have a couple of questions for anyone who can answer them...

- I celebrated getting things set up with a viewing of Constantine. Worrying about burn-in during the break-in period, I was concerned when I couldn't zoom the display out to fill the entire screen. Even with the zoom set at its max under Zoom Adjustment in the TV submenu, it wasn't enough to fill the screen. Does anyone know if there is a way to do further adjustments in a case like this (since a lot of movies are 2.35:1).

- Avia disc showed up today too. I read elsewhere in the forum that it is best to wait until after the break-in period to mess with calibration. I have my picture settings cranked way down for the break-in, but was just wondering if anyone had a comment on this.

Thanks!

Can someone with a PX500 or PX50 please run the Avia or DVE overscan pattern on HDMI and or component and report the % overscan on these new units? Mines on the way and I'm just curious.

I just got my Avia DVD today, so I was curious about what all is on there. The overscan on my new 50U came very close to 2% all the way around the diamond.

To update my black level changing issue here; CC is bringing a new one tomorrow and taking the old one at the same time. The only odd thing is when I went on Tues. to the store to get an exchange they told me they had about 20 on back order and that it might take a while to get a replacement. Today I get a call that they are coming Thurs. to swap the TV's. It makes me happy that it is coming so soon but odd that they seemed to have a backlog and it is taking only 2 days. Oh well, I'll report back on the new panel's black level consistency when I do identical tests to see what's what.

-Jerry C.

Hey all. 50u arrived on time, and have been upgrading cable to HD, and getting things hooked up. All I can say is WOW, ...when viewing Discovery HD, it looks like you could walk right into the screen. I am now about 20 hrs into the break-in period. I have a couple of questions for anyone who can answer them...

- I celebrated getting things set up with a viewing of Constantine. Worrying about burn-in during the break-in period, I was concerned when I couldn't zoom the display out to fill the entire screen. Even with the zoom set at its max under Zoom Adjustment in the TV submenu, it wasn't enough to fill the screen. Does anyone know if there is a way to do further adjustments in a case like this (since a lot of movies are 2:35).

- Avia disc showed up today too. I read elsewhere in the forum that it is best to wait until after the break-in period to mess with calibration. I have my picture settings cranked way down for the break-in, but was just wondering if anyone had a comment on this.

Thanks!

I think you're outta luck with the 2:35 screen ratios. My advice is to lay off of those completely until about 100 hours per Panny's white paper. Keep the screen filled.

I'd also wait until at least 100 hours for Avia. If the phosphors are breaking in then you've got to expect that a stable calibration will need to wait too. Good idea to keep the settings down. And if your like me, you'll find that you might actually prefer those settings in the long run. I think I had mine set at +12 picture, +2 brightness at the beginning.....since then I've notched the picture down even further.

Congrats on your new Panny. After a couple of months I still haven't grown tired of my 50px50u.....the picture never disappoints.

im sure alot of people are choosing the 500 over the 50 because of the pc input - but the question is why cant you just use the s-vid or a dvi-hdmi port (if you have either connection on your videocard). Would the quality be better from the vga port? Anybody hook up the 500 or 50 to a pc? Im wondering how it would look, any feedback from anybody that has a pc hooked up? How did you hook it up/how does it look? Thanks
I am particularly interested in how the 500U will look with a PC input as well. I just ordered a TH-50PX500U from Cambryn at TVA and should have it by the end of this week/early next week. Once I have things up and running I'll let you know how things look!

Thanks to everyone on this awesome site for sharing information about their experiences. I'm looking forward to providing some helpful feedback myself for a change.

Ter

To update my black level changing issue here; CC is bringing a new one tomorrow and taking the old one at the same time. The only odd thing is when I went on Tues. to the store to get an exchange they told me they had about 20 on back order and that it might take a while to get a replacement. Today I get a call that they are coming Thurs. to swap the TV's. It makes me happy that it is coming so soon but odd that they seemed to have a backlog and it is taking only 2 days. Oh well, I'll report back on the new panel's black level consistency when I do identical tests to see what's what.

-Jerry C.

The lesson here is BUY LOCAL!!!!!!

I thought I read somewhere in this forumn that the PX500 had richer blacks than the PX50, also kept reading about a "green push." Can someone explain this to a new guy?

Thanks

The PX50 & PX500Us are equivalent PDPs regarding the panel's specifications, both TVs render the same picture. The 500Us include $500 worth of additional features (e.g. PC input, electronic program guide, superior speaker/sound system, etc.).

As far as the "green push" controversy goes...

These panels have no "green push" issues, instead those who observe this problem don't understand or cannot accept the symptom referred to as "green push" is caused by some other problem with their home setup: "garbage in... garbage out..."

I am particularly interested in how the 500U will look with a PC input as well. I just ordered a TH-50PX500U from Cambryn at TVA and should have it by the end of this week/early next week. Once I have things up and running I'll let you know how things look!

Thanks to everyone on this awesome site for sharing information about their experiences. I'm looking forward to providing some helpful feedback myself for a change.

Ter
i just ordered it from cambryn too, hopefully should be here around the same time. next question is gonna be how much to spend on a vga cable?

I just purchased a TH-42PX50U and noticed similar problem with my blacks to what many in the "Pan TH-42PHD7UY Black level changing" thread have claimed to have. I am reposting parts of my original post in that thread because I am interested in finding out if other owners of the 42px50U have this problem seen in the 42HD7UY, and because as a new member I seem to be denied access to posting url's ;)

The panel reproduces wonderful images IMHO but when a scene seems to shift from light to dark, especially when there is camera pan with a dark and light transition, the whole black level of the screen seems to flick to a different gain. It is especially noticeable with any kind of letter-boxing black bars adjacent to such scenes, I am still under 100 hours and have tried to avoid the bars but this black issue warranted further testing. I have a SA8300HD DVR hooked up to the TV through HDMI and a Sony DVD player hooked up through the component inputs. Both sources do this and it is reproducible by playing the same DVD frames over again and even replaying a recorded show on the SA8300.

I originally had though I was imagining the whole thing but it it pretty consistent and reproducible. It is not a case of reading about a problem and making it come true as I had never read the 42HD7UY black problems thread because I wasn't that interested in the commercial panel to begin with. I only went looking for it after I noticed this problem in my TH-42PX50U and it came up in search I did here at AVS.

I have a 30 day guarantee at CC and was wondering if I should have them exchange the TV for a new one while I can? If it seems other have this and it is common I may just not bother exchanging it or even seeing if I can swap up to a PX500 model. Anyone else seen this commonly on this consumer model as opposed to the commercial ones?


-Jerry C.

Quoted for reference above:

The CC delivery guys just dropped off the new Panny after asking me to reproduce the problem for them on the old one, which I easily did. One guy seemed to think it was a minor thing with the black levels changing but agreed it should no be doing what it was doing ;) They put the new one in place and I played through the exact same scene on a DVD less than 5 minutes later and the blacks were rock solid with not so much as a flicker. I am glad I listened to ppl here and returned it as I could have probably lived with the problem but it probably would have grown as an annoyance for me as time went on :)

The original TV was an April 2005 build and this new one is July 2005 so it is about as fresh off the assembly line in Japan as you can get. Resolution changes seem to be much quicker but that could be in my mind as I never really timed them before but it does seem to jump in and out of menus quicker too. Take this with a grain of salt though. All in all the TV is exactly what I wanted originally and the only downside is that I have to re-do my initial 100 hour burn-in all over again ;)

-Jerry C.

Correct me if I am wrong. I thought the new Pany's were assembled in Mexico.

Correct me if I am wrong. I thought the new Pany's were assembled in Mexico.My 50PX50U has an Osaka April 2005 build date. I have not experienced the changing black or green push phenomena.

The PX50 & PX500Us are equivalent PDPs regarding the panel's specifications, both TVs render the same picture. The 500Us include $500 worth of additional features (e.g. PC input, electronic program guide, superior speaker/sound system, etc.).

As far as the "green push" controversy goes...

These panels have no "green push" issues, instead those who observe this problem don't understand or cannot accept the symptom referred to as "green push" is caused by some other problem with their home setup: "garbage in... garbage out..."


anyone have any specifics on that "Enhancement Accelerator with Kinetic System"?

anyone have any specifics on that "Enhancement Accelerator with Kinetic System"?

yeah, i've read online that that is included in the PX500 and not in the 50? But I don't know if there is any truth to that!

The "Enhancement Accelerator with Kinetic System" (a.k.a. PEAKS) in Pannsyspeak terms:

"Matsushita's PDP TV product line, includes new PEAKS (Picture Enhancement Accelerator with Kinetic System) technology that enables rendering of 3.62 billion colors.

PEAKS technology consists of a 350-MHz signal processing engine, a newly developed driver and panels with a parallel cross pattern.

The newly developed PEAKS driver generates 2,048 steps of gradation for each of red, green and blue, resulting 3,620 million color rendered. Matsushita's previous best was 1.07 billion colors rendered with 1,536 steps of gradation. "

anyone have any specifics on that "Enhancement Accelerator with Kinetic System"?

Didn't Scotty install this in the engineering crawl-space in episode 17? :p

Didn't Scotty install this in the engineering crawl-space in episode 17? :pNo sorry... that was the "wobbulator" module; rumored to be integrated with the new generation of SED displays. ;)

The "Enhancement Accelerator with Kinetic System" (a.k.a. PEAKS) in Pannsyspeak terms:

"Matsushita's PDP TV product line, includes new PEAKS (Picture Enhancement Accelerator with Kinetic System) technology that enables rendering of 3.62 billion colors.

PEAKS technology consists of a 350-MHz signal processing engine, a newly developed driver and panels with a parallel cross pattern.

The newly developed PEAKS driver generates 2,048 steps of gradation for each of red, green and blue, resulting 3,620 million color rendered. Matsushita's previous best was 1.07 billion colors rendered with 1,536 steps of gradation. "

Still doesn't answer if this is included in only the PX500 and not the PX50?

A comparison of the displayable colors and shades of gradation for the 'Onyx, 500U and 50U' (http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelComparisonResults?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&catGroupId=24973&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702&surfCategory=Plasma%20TVs&items=86942|93883|93338|) series PDPs (with/without) the Pannyspeak 'Star Trek: Wobbulator' (a.k.a. PEAKS) module...

In other terms known as: 'Pure marketing hype!' ;)

Mount for 500U...

I know there was extensive questions about this, but what are people recommending for the 500U wall mount. Is the bump on the bottom a big deal? In particular, can anyone recommend the Peerless brand?

mountsdirect has a choose by tv model option which will show you some different choices i think. hope it helps.

dya,

I got the peerless PLA-1S articulating arm, and was referred to the PLA-PAN wall mount (I think this was the name) there was also a PLA-PANPX but which has an extra spacer. I have a call in with a tech at peerless because the spacing seems a bit much if I use the included 1/4" spacers for the mount. I am thinking I don't need any spacers on the mount.

The bump doesn't come into play for the articulating arm not sure about a flat wall mount.

Call Peerless though, the equipment I have recieved is built really well and their service has been very good.

Dya,
I got the vertical mount direct from panasonic (TY-WK42PV2W). The "humps" don't get in the way at all, unless you are trying to access connections, but the mount flips up 45 degrees for this. The mount is less than 2' thick and the PDP sits about 5 1/4 " off the wall, I don't think it can get much better than that.

Anyone have the dimensions of the box for the 50px500u?
Sorry if i missed it, i did search but got no hits.

Thanks

Well, after weeks of incompentency by Panasonic and Pilot Air, my folks finally received their TH-50PX500 yesterday.

Why do they tell you to lay the panel on its face in order to attach it to the pedestal? It was easier to just lift it, while vertical, and drop it onto the pedestal brackets.

Unfortunately, there is cosmetic damage on the far upper right. There were several pieces of masking tape over the area and when we pulled them off, they had been covering a gouge in the trim. Have you noticed how sensitive that vertical strip on the sides is to scratching? My dad just ran his finger over it and his fingernail scratched it.

No HD feed to view yet (cannot receive any OTA signals, even with a Radio Shack antenna), but SD (DirecTV) didn't look as bad as I thought it might as long as you are 8 or more feet back. Up close, the compression artifacts are pretty bad. I was really hoping at least one HD signal would be available, but that's what happens when you live in hilly terrain with no line-of-sight to the transmitter I guess.

They don't have their new receiver/speakers yet, so all listening was with the internal speakers. I was not that impressed with the BBE processing - voices sounded pretty thin. We turned it off after a while.

Ryan, I hope the third time is the charm with respect to your delivery.

-Todd

Todd, are they not gonna request a new one? It arrived damaged, and that's absolutely unnacceptable.

Has anyone had a chance to play around with the px500 program guide? I can't seem to find the preference for listing the channels in numerical order as opposed to completely RANDOM! Anyway, I know there has to be a simple setting for this, if anyone knows, please help!! It's driving me nuts! Also, is there anyway to scan the stations without actually changing the channels?

:eek: :mad: My third plasma shipment was damaged. Pilot just called, they want to bring it to my house to have me look at it. They say the box is damaged but the TV inside isn't. I called Panasonic and at first the CSR said - why are they bringing it to your house - why would you want it? I asked how fragile they were and if I should consider accepting it. He put me on hold and when he came back he changed his story and said 'oh, the box is damaged, but that doesn't mean the TV is damaged' you can accept it and have 30 days to assess if it works ok.

After 3 attempts and over a month waiting for it, would I be stupid to take a chance by accepting it? :confused: How fragile are they? How much box damage should I tolerate? How well are they packaged? They will be here in 1 1/2 hours (7pm eastern), so any quick opinions would be greatly appreciated.!! :)

Ryan - If the pdp fires up and the case itself isn't damaged, I'd take it. Hey, you have 30 days as a safety net - why not? If something was truly damaged, you should be able to tell w/in 30 days. Plus, you always have the warranty to back you as well.

After all this time, I would at least open the box and take a good hard look.

Check the glass especially well, and that includes the deeper layers, because I've read of at least one case where the outer protective glass layer was okay but the display glass itself was shattered.

If they will wait for you, you might want to power it on if everything is okay to this point.

Fall back is to get the CSR rep to send you something in writing via e-mail that you do have the thirty days.

Good luck!

…would I be stupid to take a chance by accepting it? :confused: …any quick opinions)

I am not a lawyer, but if you accept the delivery and shipping damage exists, isn’t it the shipping company that has to remedy damages and not plasma sales company?

Thus, regardless of what the plasma sales company says verbally, they may be on sound grounds to deny liability and instead send you back to the shipping company – who did not make a 30 day agreement. Regardless, good luck.

I am not a lawyer, but if you accept the delivery and shipping damage exists, isn’t it the shipping company that has to remedy damages and not plasma sales company?

Thus, regardless of what the plasma sales company says verbally, they may be on sound grounds to deny liability and instead send you back to the shipping company – who did not make a 30 day agreement. Regardless, good luck.

That's a good point - what i do at work if i ever sign a bill of lading is write "BOX DAMAGED - CONTENTS SUBJECT TO INSPECTION FOR HIDDEN DAMAGE" right on the paper before the driver has a chance to tell me not to. Then i sign my name. It might help to take pictures of the box while it's still on the truck or the lift gate with the driver smiling nervously.

Hi all;

I've been reading this thread as much as possible but have not found an answer to this question:

-What is the commercial version of the 50px50u / 50px500u? That is, the version that requires you to buy a 3rd party video card and does not have speakers?

Since I already have a sound system, I figure I don't need the built in speaker unless that speaker can act as the CENTER speaker of my 5.1 setup and since I only want 1 x YPbPr input for my DVD, 1 x YPbPr input for a satellite receiver and 1 x HDMI input for another satellite receiver, I don't need all the other stuff (cable tuner, cable guide card, etc. etc.)

PS: I see the model TH-50PHD7UY on PANASONIC's web site, but is'nt that last year's 7th generation model vs. the 8th generation 50px50u/50px500u?

Hi all;

I've been reading this thread as much as possible but have not found an answer to this question:

-What is the commercial version of the 50px50u / 50px500u? That is, the version that requires you to buy a 3rd party video card and does not have speakers?

The upcoming "8UK" Commercial Models



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:eek: :mad: My third plasma shipment was damaged. Pilot just called, they want to bring it to my house to have me look at it. They say the box is damaged but the TV inside isn't. I called Panasonic and at first the CSR said - why are they bringing it to your house - why would you want it? I asked how fragile they were and if I should consider accepting it. He put me on hold and when he came back he changed his story and said 'oh, the box is damaged, but that doesn't mean the TV is damaged' you can accept it and have 30 days to assess if it works ok.

After 3 attempts and over a month waiting for it, would I be stupid to take a chance by accepting it? :confused: How fragile are they? How much box damage should I tolerate? How well are they packaged? They will be here in 1 1/2 hours (7pm eastern), so any quick opinions would be greatly appreciated.!! :)

Ryan - I found out first hand that the packaging of these displays is actually pretty good! My 50u arrived Monday, and when the drivers took it off the truck, I almost s#!^!!! The box looked like someone had run a forklift into a pole or something. I had the guys take the box apart right there in the street so I could check it out. To my amazement, the display was fine. Not a scratch. But, as was mentioned here, when I signed off for the delivery, I wrote on the order that the box was damaged. That way it was documented.... and.... I took a picture of it when I got it inside the house. Check it out.... this looks awful, but the unit works flawlessly. There is quite a good airspace inside the box just for when things like this happen. So - take heart...

http://www.bdssite.com/images/50u-box-damage.JPG

Well, my 50PX500 showed up with very minor damage. (but nothing near yours, OhBoy!. Oh boy, indeed! :) )The top left back corner was slightly dented. I accepted it, but wrote on the delivery slip that the box was damaged, and I took good photos of it. I unboxed it and none of the internal styrofoam was damaged and the TV itself doesn't have a scratch, and everything seems to be working fine.

Thanks for all of your advice!!!

Wow! After waiting a month and for 3 different shipments, some of my excitement was dampened. But as soon as I got it hooked up - :D WOW :D . I'm floored!!! The picture is awesome!! I'm also impressed with the sound system, although I'll primarily be using it with my home theater surround system.

I hadn't seen the 500 series in person, and I definitely prefer it to the PX50. Well worth the upgrade, IMHO.

Unfortunately, there is cosmetic damage on the far upper right. There were several pieces of masking tape over the area and when we pulled them off, they had been covering a gouge in the trim. Have you noticed how sensitive that vertical strip on the sides is to scratching? My dad just ran his finger over it and his fingernail scratched it.


Hey Todd, there is a thin plastic film covering the vertical and horizontal black strips (not the perforated speaker strips, but the outermost ones). That might be what was scratched. Perhaps you missed them? I've done that with a watch before. Wore it for a month before I noticed the plastic film.

If so, just peel up a corner and pull it off.

What is the commercial version of the 50px50u / 50px500u? That is, the version that requires you to buy a 3rd party video card and does not have speakers?Here is the 'thread' (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=547477&page=1&pp=30) that currently has 382 posts which discuss every possible nuance of the upcoming 8th generation commercial monitors... :rolleyes:

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/damaged.JPG

Dude... I would never accept a $4995.95 [MSRP] boxed PDP delivered in that condition! Good luck... :eek:

For those interested the 42PWD8UK is on Panasonics web site now with some interesting specs and the frame is now black instead of charcoal grey with a more modern stand.


"Up to 2,048 shades of gradation (4,096 shades via HDMI or DVI connection) - New Advanced Real Gamma System and up to 14-bit signal processing provide superior performance at brightness levels where the human eye sees best"


http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?displayTab=O&storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=94147&catGroupId=14624&modelNo=TH-42PWD8UK&surfModel=TH-42PWD8UK


http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/images/LargerPhoto/l_TH-42PWD8K.jpg

Funny, how the specs look exactly the same as the '7th generation' (http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CompareModels?storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&catGroupId=14624&surfCategory=Professional%20Series%20Plasma%20Displays&items=72960|94147|) commercial monitor. :confused:

except the 7UY weighs 1.1 pounds less...

Optivity, I KNOW that you will have the answer to this question !!! Does the PWD8UK have a cablecard slot? Does the PHD8UK?

Optivity, I KNOW that you will have the answer to this question !!! Does the PWD8UK have a cablecard slot? Does the PHD8UK?I'm sure you're not being 'facetious...' so I'll bite and the answer is... No. Commerical PDP monitors are not designed for home use so they do not include internal tuners, speakers or a CableCARD slot.

I love those simple black lines of teh case there....

I hate the ones that try to over-silver the thing and make it more appealing to the "average" consumer.....

Idiot question, you guys are talking about having to purchase a tuner card... Is this needed for signals coming from a cable box, or only from direct input (the cable itself)?

If you don't feel like retyping what has probably been covered, could you just point me to the right threads?

TIA!

EGAD, does that mean that owners of the new 8UKs won't be able to achieve the same picture quality in a home theatre environment that the consumer models produce? (and no, not facetious, just not technically savvy) by the way OP, I for one REALLY appreciate the time and effort that you spend on this forum trying to help people like me. You are among the most active, attentive and helpful persons on this forum...and here is my sincere thanks!!!

EGAD, does that mean that owners of the new 8UKs won't be able to achieve the same picture quality in a home theatre environment that the consumer models produce? (and no, not facetious, just not technically savvy) by the way OP, I for one REALLY appreciate the time and effort that you spend on this forum trying to help people like me. You are among the most active, attentive and helpful persons on this forum...and here is my sincere thanks!!!Blush... While not phishing (pun intended) for such compliments... thanks. I am a BIG advocate of using a CableCARD, because I do and I've seen the improvement regarding the picture my PDP renders... Since I've used both an SA8000 & SA8300HD-DVR for the past three years... I have enough experience to make a reasonable comparison.you guys are talking about having to purchase a tuner card... Is this needed for signals coming from a cable box, or only from direct input (the cable itself)?If you choose to go with a commercial PDP you will need an external tuner source (e.g. CATV provider's cable box a.k.a. an STB) to receive SD/HD programs.

Funny, how the specs look exactly the same as the '7th generation' (http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CompareModels?storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&catGroupId=14624&surfCategory=Professional%20Series%20Plasma%20Displays&items=72960|94147|) commercial monitor. :confused:

except the 7UY weighs 1.1 pounds less...

I don't believe the 7UY had 14-bit processing or the 4096 shades. The 8UK is the same panel as PD50 but it interesting that neither mention sub-pixel control in their specs even though the 8th generation panels have it.

Hey Todd, there is a thin plastic film covering the vertical and horizontal black strips (not the perforated speaker strips, but the outermost ones). That might be what was scratched. Perhaps you missed them? I've done that with a watch before. Wore it for a month before I noticed the plastic film.

If so, just peel up a corner and pull it off.

Well, I had peeled off the horizontal plastic film across the top and bottom, but I could not see or feel a film that ran vertically on the sides. I looked - really. The horizontal film was easy to see and to peel off.

Just called the folks and they were now able to find an edge on the vertical film. There is no gouge or damage after all. Ryan, thanks so much!

-Todd

I don't believe the 7UY had 14-bit processing or the 4096 shades. The 8UK is the same panel as PD50 but it interesting that neither mention sub-pixel control in their specs even though the 8th generation panels have it.I thought the 7UYs could achieve this spec using the TY-42TM6D terminal board?

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/4096.JPG

I guess I need a lesson in math 101... I always thought 2^12=4096 and 2^14=16384 :confused:

Just got back from CC, and saw the 42PX50U (looks great), but I have not seen the 42PX500U yet (I think this is what I really want). The wife says she likes the "flat" black bezel on the 50U that we saw (all the others had very shiny glossy black bezels....much reflections....no good for WAF). Can any of you that now have the 500U please confirm if the bezel on it is "flat" black like that of the 50U?

Can any of you that now have the 500U please confirm if the bezel on it is "flat" black like that of the 50U?

Nope.

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I thought the 7UYs could achieve this spec using the TY-42TM6D terminal board?

I guess I need a lesson in math 101... I always thought 2^12=4096 and 2^14=16384 :confused:

I believe HDMI is limited to 12-bit which is where the 4096 comes from. I am not sure how the panel would be able to take advantage of 14-bit. Or maybe it upconverts the 12-bit signal to 14-bit which is not any different than a DVD player which takes the 8-bit data from a DVD and processes it up to 10-bit or 12-bit for output. Does anybody else have a better understanding of this?

This article talks about the need to process signals inside a TV at a higher bit rate than the input signal. This could explain why Panasonic has now implemented 14-bit processing for a 12-bit HDMI signal.


"Digital Processing

The electronics for implementing digital signal processing are considerably more complex than analog signal processing. This is the main reason why most displays currently offer fewer controls with digital inputs than with analog inputs. For example, for the standard 8-bit 0-255 intensity scale that has 256 levels, merely increasing the black-level by 10 levels requires that the number 10 be digitally added to the intensity value for each pixel that is received by the display. The first problem is that this needs to be implemented in special image processing hardware. The second problem is that we automatically lose 10 intensity levels so there are now only 246 active levels on the 0-255 scale. A third problem arises if we wish to recover the now illegal values of 256 to 265 from the addition and restore them back to the 0-255 scale. To do this, it’s necessary to effectively multiply all of the signal intensity values by a factor of 255/265=0.962. (It can be done with fixed point arithmetic or a look-up table.) This is actually a rescaling of the intensity values and is equivalent to lowering the analog video gain using a Contrast Control. A fourth problem arises because the intensity scale has now acquired some irregularities (artifacts) because the former 256 steps are now remapped and squeezed into 246 steps, resulting in some visible 7-bit intensity-scale banding and false contouring.

This same type of processing is required for each control pair that is implemented digitally: Brightness and Contrast, Red, Green and Blue Drive and Bias. More complex processing is required to implement Color Tint and Saturation Controls. Finally, additional processing is required to implement the desired Gray-Scale and Gamma (generally in the form of a look-up table). All of this can be done with custom image processing chips. However, each processing step in the chain results in a further loss of intensity levels and mathematical precision, so the cumulative errors can be quite large and produce severe artifacts that will be seen on screen. To prevent this from happening the internal signal processing should be done with more than the external 8-bit signal intensity scale. The greater the degree of processing required the finer the internal intensity scale that is needed internally. 10-bits is the minimum needed in order to restrain the 8-bit artifacts from growing too much as discussed in the Digital Granularity section above."

http://www.displaymate.com/ShootOut_Part_3.htm

I've been looking for a new TV since my Pat's won thier last SB. Preseason begins in a few weeks (Aug 12) so I couldn't wait any longer.

I picked up the Panny 42" ED at CC in Nashua NH last night at an awsome deal! I had bad luck (lots of B.S.) dealing with CC in Burlington MA, but the people in Nashua are simply great.

One thing that struck me odd is the build info. My tv was assembled in Mexico on May 2005. I thought I've read here that most of these were still built in Japan. And I'm surprised that CC had a TV with a May date.

BruZZi, thanks for the reply (and thanks for your web site). I am bringing the wife around with the WAF...but now we are down to "inches" (don't ask).

Do you or anyone out there know the dimensions of the 42PX500U stand?

Specifically:

Distance from table top to the very bottom edge (silver part) of the plasma unit? (looks about 6" from the pictures)

Front to back distance of the stand plate as it rests on table? (looks about 10-11")

Thanks,
Bruce

BruZZi, thanks for the reply (and thanks for your web site).

You're Very Welcome. :)

I am bringing the wife around with the WAF...but now we are down to "inches" (don't ask).

:D :D :D

Do you or anyone out there know the dimensions of the 42PX500U stand?

Distance from table top to the very bottom edge (silver part) of the plasma unit? (looks about 6" from the pictures)

It's about 3.75"

Front to back distance of the stand plate as it rests on table? (looks about 10-11")

Base = 27" w x 14.5" d





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Thanks! We're gonna make this work to get that PX500!

Quick question for those of you with the 500U models: We have now taken off the vertical plastic film strip on the outer edges, but is there a film that should be removed over the "perforated" vertical strips (the second section in from the outside)?

I thought someone had mentioned these strips hold the tweeters, but I still can't tell if there is something we are supposed to remove here or not.

Just tried to use the front panel S-Video input on the 50PX500 and discovered that it has a problem. It looks like something is not terminated properly. The picture is foggy and seems out-of-focus, and text "smears" to the right (every edge has a trail heading off to the right). The composite input on the front is fine.

This article talks about the need to process signals inside a TV at a higher bit rate than the input signal. This could explain why Panasonic has now implemented 14-bit processing for a 12-bit HDMI signal...Thanks for the link to this informative article. Based on these exerpts:

“DVI has red, green and blue channels with 8-bits of intensity information per channel.

HDMI (High Definition Multimedia Interface) is the next generation of digital interconnect that is beginning to appear in the marketplace. It is backwards compatible with DVI. From our perspective here it has two major advantages: support for up to 12-bits of intensity (4096 levels) and typical transmission distances of up to 15 meters. (These can be extended with the same methods used with DVI.) This will help to significantly reduce many of the digital artifacts

HDMI will eventually allow up to 12-bit signals, which has 4096 levels, but for now most computer and video content is restricted to 8-bits and 256 levels.

only the 14-bit scale is below the one percent threshold. However, at very low light levels the detection threshold for the eye will increase. So, in order to take full advantage of the larger dynamic ranges for the current generation of displays it will be necessary to extend the intensity scale by at least two more bits over the current 8-bits. Hardware that’s capable of handling 10 and 12-bit signals is starting to make an appearance and will significantly reduce granularity effects in the long-term, however, for now almost all image content is based on 8-bits.”

I wonder if some processing difference between CableCARD/DVI/HDMI standards occurs; that can be attributed to the perceived difference in picture quality, and in the real 8-bit world of CATV transmission if it really matters?

Just tried to use the front panel S-Video input on the 50PX500 and discovered that it has a problem. It looks like something is not terminated properly. The picture is foggy and seems out-of-focus, and text "smears" to the right (every edge has a trail heading off to the right). The composite input on the front is fine.

Sorry that you are encountering S-vid probs. Lets check the cable out:

• what results do you get using the same S-vid cable, but a different TV?

• what results do you get from a different S-vid cable to the PX500?

urgent help needed....regarding Cablecard Installation...

Comcast stopped by today and installed the cable card, except the screen keeps saying "scanning new channels" for over 30-45 minutes and freezes up...I think the issue is with Comcast's settings...they are headed back to my house in the next hour to look at it again...if anyone has dealt with this issue please let me know if their is a simple solution...

FYI I have the 42-THPX500U, with a Motorola cable card.

Thanks,
Brad

urgent help needed....regarding Cablecard Installation...

Comcast stopped by today and installed the cable card, except the screen keeps saying "scanning new channels" for over 30-45 minutes and freezes up...I think the issue is with Comcast's settings...they are headed back to my house in the next hour to look at it again...if anyone has dealt with this issue please let me know if their is a simple solution...

FYI I have the 42-THPX500U, with a Motorola cable card.

This might be normal - i didn't get a CableCard but when i first scanned my analog cable channels into the TV's tuner it took well over a half-hour. I also looked like it locked up (no movement on the progress bar for several minutes) but eventually finished the download so i think that was a normal part of the download process.

Since you'll be scanning a lot more channels with the CableCard than i did with analog cable straight from the wall it'll probably take a lot longer to scan your channels than it took me. Give it an hour or two and see if it completes the task.

Sorry that you are encountering S-vid probs. Lets check the cable out:

• what results do you get using the same S-vid cable, but a different TV?

• what results do you get from a different S-vid cable to the PX500?

I tried two different S-Video cables and two different sources (DVD and DirecTv receiver) to narrow down the problem to the S-Video input. Anything else we should try before calling Panasonic?

Would anyone here recommend getting a Panasonic Professional display (i.e. TH-42PWD8UK or the upcoming 50" version) + DVDO iScan HD+?

Would this make sense? The cost of such a setup would be very near the cost of the 50px500u, but is the iScan HD+ a better upconverter than the cards built in the consumer display?

I only need 1 x DVI input and a couple of Ypbpr inputs, so it looks like a reasonable solution... I do not need a cable input.

Thanks.

The TH-42PWD8UK is only 480 Lines - called "Enhanced Definition" because it can do progressive, called 480p. With 480 lines you do not technicall "upscale", but de-interlace. So presumably do not even need an up-scaling DVD player for example, and even the cheap ones do de-interlacing to a progressive display. If you want the 720 Line versions, you want the TH4-2PHD8U or other with "HD" in it.

No doubt there are many more people out here who know more about this however....

I tried two different S-Video cables and two different sources (DVD and DirecTv receiver) to narrow down the problem to the S-Video input. Anything else we should try before calling Panasonic?


I am out of ideas other than checking Bruzzi’s website Plasma FAQ at:
http://www.glaucobruzzi.com/plasma-faq/forumdisplay.php?f=16

Maybe someone else will comment.
Good luck.

Got my 42PX50U last week. Hooked up to a cablevision Scientific Atlanta box (forget the number) via HDMI. Also the Sony upscaling DVD player. My first impressions:

-very good looking unit. pretty good sound for built-in speakers, though i'll be updgrading that soon.
-very nice HD picture.
-no matter what I do to the SD picture it pretty well sucks. I have it on justified right now, which seems to be the best compromise. Wish it did SD better.
-i have whatever the green issue is....greens are like really bright neons. of course, i've done no calibration yet so i expect i can get this to look better. still, it's pretty comical that it comes out of the box this way.
-i wish it had 2 HDMI ports, as I want to hook both my cablevison box and my DVD player up via HDMI w/out getting a splitter
-the blacks are okay, but every now and again they seem dark grey. again, no calibration yet. that will probably improve.

Overall it's pretty much what I expected, other than the weird freakish green thing. The neighbors have been duly impressed with it ;-)

The TH-42PWD8UK is only 480 Lines - called "Enhanced Definition" because it can do progressive, called 480p. With 480 lines you do not technicall "upscale", but de-interlace. So presumably do not even need an up-scaling DVD player for example, and even the cheap ones do de-interlacing to a progressive display. If you want the 720 Line versions, you want the TH4-2PHD8U or other with "HD" in it.

No doubt there are many more people out here who know more about this however....

Thanks! You answered one of the questions I had when I downloaded the PANASONIC instruction manual: the difference between the "PWD" vs. "PHD" models - the difference is obvious when you look at the resolution spec, but if you don't even know what you're looking for good luck :p

I am therefore looking at getting the TH-50PHD8U (4098 x 768 pixels) + DVDO iScan HD+ (+ SDI & Denon SDI DVD player would be another question within this question).

Any ideas on the performance of such a setup vs. the consumer model?

Here are some answers that come to my mind:

-Better since the iScan HD+ is a much better upscaler than what is built in with the consumer model.

-Equal (no point in going to such a "complicated" setup)

-Worse (since the iScan HD+ would connect to the Plasma using an HD-15 to BNC RGB connector vs. HDMI input on the consumer model)

(note: once again, I have no use for cable inputs - I only need to hookup 1 DVD player and 2 HD satellite receivers...)

Got my 42PX50U last week. Hooked up to a cablevision Scientific Atlanta box (forget the number) via HDMI. Also the Sony upscaling DVD player. My first impressions:

-no matter what I do to the SD picture it pretty well sucks. I have it on justified right now, which seems to be the best compromise. Wish it did SD better.
-i have whatever the green issue is....greens are like really bright neons. of course, i've done no calibration yet so i expect i can get this to look better. still, it's pretty comical that it comes out of the box this way. -the blacks are okay, but every now and again they seem dark grey. again, no calibration yet. that will probably improve.

Overall it's pretty much what I expected, other than the weird freakish green thing. The neighbors have been duly impressed with it ;-)

Make sure to go into the user menu and turn Color Management to OFF - this will reduce the green a lot. Blacks will probably never be as good as the CRT it replaced but you should be able to get it close. Your eyes will adjust in the next week or two also.

SD channels over Component look awful on my HD DVR and Pioneer 3510HD, but the same channels look great over S-Video and even Composite. So i watch all my SD over S-Video, and switch to the Component input to watch HD. DVI may have the same problem with SD in your case. The plasma will look worse with a poor signal so if you have any splitters and/or older RG59 cabling in the house this can be part of your problem.

Try connecting the S-Video and try the settings i posted here and see how it looks on yours:

Green Post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=561935)

If it's any consolation, my friend's 50" Pioneer plasma also has a green tint most of the time.

-no matter what I do to the SD picture it pretty well sucks.
Take a look at the "Polishing the Turd" post by R Harkness. It's linked from one of the stickys at the top of the forum. Lots of good tips on making the best of SD.

urgent help needed....regarding Cablecard Installation...

Comcast stopped by today and installed the cable card, except the screen keeps saying "scanning new channels" for over 30-45 minutes and freezes up...I think the issue is with Comcast's settings...they are headed back to my house in the next hour to look at it again...if anyone has dealt with this issue please let me know if their is a simple solution...

FYI I have the 42-THPX500U, with a Motorola cable card.

Thanks,
BradThere are many issues with CableCARD and it's difficult to determine where in the chain the fault lies: Motorola --> Comcast --> Panasonic or Scientific Atlanta --> Time Warner --> Panasonic. One interesting note: Panasonic has released a firmware upgrade (version 1.24) for the PX50Us. If you're interested, there are a couple of long threads regarding CableCARD problems at: ecoustics.com.

...Any ideas on the performance of such a setup vs. the consumer model?

Here are some answers that come to my mind:

-Better since the iScan HD+ is a much better upscaler than what is built in with the consumer model.

-Equal (no point in going to such a "complicated" setup)

-Worse (since the iScan HD+ would connect to the Plasma using an HD-15 to BNC RGB connector vs. HDMI input on the consumer model)...

You might try asking this in the video processor forum (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=37), where you'll find more experience with various types of external video processors.

From mine, I'd say you could expect the answer to be "Better." It's doubtful that any plasma's internal processor is as good as the iScan. Whether it is enough better to justify it's cost is for you to decide. Internal scalers have become pretty good. (Panasonic's consumer and commercial models appear to use the same one.)

You shouldn't need a breakout cable as you should be able to connect the iScan to the TH-50PHD8U using HD-15 on both ends. Whether you would actually see an improvement using HDMI is moot, but you could install an HDMI (or DVI) card in the TH-50PHD8U, and connect the iScan that way.

My set-up is a step or two down from yours (iScan Ultra and Panasonic ED), but adding the iScan resulted in a significant improvement to my eyes, and I've recommended it to others.

Since you don't seem to need a tuner, speakers and additional inputs of the consumer version, the TH-50PHD8U would appear to be a good choice for you in any case, providing you don't mind the poorer warranty or buying online. PQ is at least as good as the consumer version. You might consider trying it for awhile without the iScan. You can always upgrade to the HD+ later.

My set-up is a step or two down from yours (iScan Ultra and Panasonic ED), but adding the iScan resulted in a significant improvement to my eyes, and I've recommended it to others.


How do you have your iScan connected to your Panny? Do you use it for all your incoming signals, or simply for SD?

How do you have your iScan connected to your Panny? Do you use it for all your incoming signals, or simply for SD?
I use an HD-15 to component breakout cable.

I didn't want to use the HD-15 input as a permanent connection as it is on the front of my 42PD25U. I've been saving my HDMI input for a D* HD DVR (someday, when the price is right), but I recently saw a DVI to HDMI cable for $10, so I may give it a try just to satisfy my curiosity. I can't imagine how it could offer a visible improvement over what I'm using, though.

I use the iScan only for SD signals as my only HD source right now is OTA using the Panasonic's built-in tuner. It's great with SD D*, and laserdiscs, too. Plus, I get a terrific picture using my old non-progressive scan Sony DVD player.

Ok, I've got a couple of questions regarding listening to 5.1 TV shows. According to the manual it seems like I can hook up an optical cord or the audio left/right cable to my reciever. Is that all? Seems like I would need more than that to get 5.1 sound. My cable converter has left/right plus SPDIF. If I get a cable card can I still get 5.1 sound?

Thanks for your help!

Left/right (red/white) is stereo only. If your receiver has an optical, connect that to your cable box, and assuming you have the full complement of speakers you should get full surround.

With a CableCard you connect the optical out of the TV set to the receiver instead.

Thanks everyone for recommending the 42" 500U model.
I got it after returning my sony 42" with the little blue light that lights up.
The prices were comparable, but after "breaking" in the panasonic
for a few hours, I began to realize the picture quality is far better.

The blacks or so black, the colors are so vibrant. It is HDMI, Cable Card and
PC input, components.. the works. I just wish they made interchangeable cards also.. oh well.

Hopefully it won't break on me after the warranty runs out next year.

Thanks again!
Mo!

Thanks Marty!

The PX50 & PX500Us are equivalent PDPs regarding the panel's specifications, both TVs render the same picture. The 500Us include $500 worth of additional features (e.g. PC input, electronic program guide, superior speaker/sound system, etc.).

As far as the "green push" controversy goes...

These panels have no "green push" issues, instead those who observe this problem don't understand or cannot accept the symptom referred to as "green push" is caused by some other problem with their home setup: "garbage in... garbage out..."

I had a 42pd50 and experienced a problem with the tint. Perhaps it was a symptom but I couldn't find the cause. The controls available didn't alleviate the symptoms. I exchanged the unit for a Samsung. Using the exact same hook-up, the problem was not noticeable.

What's my point? If so many have had the same set of symptoms, then there is likely some difference in this panel (or some of them) that make them more susceptible to the problem - more garbage sensitive in your terminology. Either way, the symptoms are there for many of us.

urgent help needed....regarding Cablecard Installation...

Comcast stopped by today and installed the cable card, except the screen keeps saying "scanning new channels" for over 30-45 minutes and freezes up...I think the issue is with Comcast's settings...they are headed back to my house in the next hour to look at it again...if anyone has dealt with this issue please let me know if their is a simple solution...

FYI I have the 42-THPX500U, with a Motorola cable card.

Thanks,
Brad

Looks like yet ANOTHER satisfied CC user :)

Foosman's experience (total time < 1 minute):
1) Insert 1-end of HDMI cable into PX50U
2) Insert other-end of HMDI cable into HD DVR
3) Turn on both.
4) Crack open cold Guiness *OPTIONAL*
5) Fight urge to immediately hook up DVD player and put in DVE
6) Watch TV (not Joey episodes)

Do you hear that? That's the sound of the bliss of not having to deal with the cable company.

…42" 500U model….Hopefully it won't break on me after the warranty runs out next year… Mo!

Based on other AVS members' experiences, it will be problem free.

However, if you bought it on a credit card, there is a possibility that the credit card company will extend the Panasonic warranty by one or even two years.

It is all explained on that little white booklet that you immediately threw with your last bill. No, problem as they are impossible to understand anyway.

Just call the number on the back of your credit card and explain that you made a major purchase with the card and need to know 1.) does the card extend the manufacturers warrantee, 2.) if so, do you have do anything (send in copies of receipt, etc) ?

Good luck.

I just got my 42px500u today after reading this thread for weeks and so far am very pleased. one thing i've never seen mention of is using the sd card reader and the photo viewer. I've tried dropping in pictures of various resolutions and while wider resolution pictures will show up more of the screen, I can't seem to find a resolution that will take up the entire display in the photo viewer. has anyone else played around with this? I've read the manual and it doesnt appear to be any help, simply stating the min and max resolutions.

If this has been covered already my aplogies, i've read as much of this thread as i could stand (most of it) leading up to my purchase and my searches didnt find anything relevant.

I had a 42pd50 and experienced a problem with the tint. Perhaps it was a symptom but I couldn't find the cause. The controls available didn't alleviate the symptoms. I exchanged the unit for a Samsung. Using the exact same hook-up, the problem was not noticeable.

What's my point? If so many have had the same set of symptoms, then there is likely some difference in this panel (or some of them) that make them more susceptible to the problem - more garbage sensitive in your terminology. Either way, the symptoms are there for many of us.Looks like yet ANOTHER satisfied CC user

Foosman's experience (total time < 1 minute):
1) Insert 1-end of HDMI cable into PX50U
2) Insert other-end of HMDI cable into HD DVR
3) Turn on both.
4) Crack open cold Guiness *OPTIONAL* (mandatory)
5) Fight urge to immediately hook up DVD player and put in DVE
6) Watch TV (not Joey episodes)

Do you hear that? That's the sound of the bliss of not having to deal with the cable company.So what can I say? Perhaps my cable operator has a better implementation of their system and CableCARD technology. I believe I was the one who first brought the issue of the "neon-green" SpongeBob to this Forum's attention. Of course, at the time I was viewing him using a SA8300HD-DVR --> HDMI on my PX50U. My observation has been once the CableCARD was installed any color rendering problems were eliminated. Perhaps it can be attributed to MPEG-2 decoding or grey scale processing differences with CableCARD versus HDMI or Component inputs? What "Foos-Man" neglected to tell "brad79" is there is a firmware upgrade available from Panasonic for the CableCARD interface that may resolve the issues he is having with Comcast and their Motorola card. Also... before he crack's open his Guinness... "Foos-Man" should "step-up" and fork over the $1.75 per month to actually see what a CableCARD can do for his PDP. I've had (3) years worth of experience using SA-HD-DVRs so at least I actually know what I'm talking about. :rolleyes:

well comcast is still working on the issue...

does anyone know if the firmware upgrade works for both the 50U and 500U, I have the 500U?

Also according to Comcast the TV doesn't need to be on to be downloading/scanning the channels so it obviously isn't a time issue...will let eveyone know when I figure out the solution.

The HD DVR is only offered through Direct TV right, that is not an option as my building has a contract with Comcast (very good rates). Also no Guiness here, I will have a Jack/Coke when this issue is resolved and the TV is mounted on the wall.

I've read most of this forum for about 2 months and have decided on the 500U for sure. I'm hoping to have it within a couple of weeks and had a quick cable card question. I really want to use the cable card but also am going to need a DVR like Tivo come fall. There are several shows that i like to watch that are showing at the exact same time. Is it possible to use Tivo or another DVR and a cable card. I know the cable cards are only 1 way but I was curious if you could still use a DVR. Any help would be much appreciated, thanks.

I've read most of this forum for about 2 months and have decided on the 500U for sure. I'm hoping to have it within a couple of weeks and had a quick cable card question. I really want to use the cable card but also am going to need a DVR like Tivo come fall. There are several shows that i like to watch that are showing at the exact same time. Is it possible to use Tivo or another DVR and a cable card. I know the cable cards are only 1 way but I was curious if you could still use a DVR. Any help would be much appreciated, thanks.

No reason you can't use both if you are willing to pay for both. Split the cable, connect up the DVR as if you didn't have the CableCard.

You could split your incoming signal sending one leg to the DVR and the other to your TV, connect the DVR to either the HDMI or Component input and from the TVs menu select TV to receive the signal from the CableCARD or HDMI/component to get the input from your DVR.

Would splitting the cable defeat the purpose of having a cable card? I want a cable card for the improved quality of SD. Also, you would just have to switch inputs to watch the DVR, not record correct? I'm particularly asking you Optivity since you seem to be very knowledgable about cable cards.

Analyze all of your wiring and minimize splits. If you end up with too many splits, add an amplifier. (I know the answer to the other question, but I'll give Optivity first dibs.)

Thanks martyj19. I sorta answered the question myself after i asked it. You would have to switch inputs to be able to access the DVR and record, but could you still record one show and watch another, just by switching inputs? I guess i'm just trying to figure out if doing all of this would be worth it just to have a cable card. A DVR is a must because of the multitude of shows that air at the same time, but a cable card sounds good too for the improved quality of SD.

Would splitting the cable defeat the purpose of having a cable card? I want a cable card for the improved quality of SD. Also, you would just have to switch inputs to watch the DVR, not record correct? I'm particularly asking you Optivity since you seem to be very knowledgable about cable cards.Each time a coax cable is split the signal strength decreases. Splitter loss occurs every time the incoming signal is split (e.g. a two-way splitter reduces the signal 30% for each leg; while a four-way splitter reduces the signal 60% per leg). For CATV applications a passive 5-1000 MHz splitter is preferred. There is also some loss depending on the size of the cable (a bigger cable will result with smaller loss) and the length (a longer length yields a bigger loss). For digital applications shielded RG-6 coax cable should be used. An F-Type 75-ohm terminator can be used to close unused ports on a splitter to minimize OTA signal ghosting or digital signal degradation. The bottom line is when the signal reaches your TV the optimal strength is 15.5 dB. Provided the signal does not vary by more than +(-)3dB you should be good to go.

There's nothing stopping you from watching SD using the TV's tuner without a CableCard.

The CableCard is used only to decrypt digital channels that are sent down the cable encrypted. It does not come into play at any other time.

With the DVR you can watch anything you want on any other input just by switching to it. The average DVR also lets you record one thing and watch another (it can do this if it claims to be "dual tuner").

Thanks martyj19. I sorta answered the question myself after i asked it. You would have to switch inputs to be able to access the DVR and record, but could you still record one show and watch another, just by switching inputs? I guess i'm just trying to figure out if doing all of this would be worth it just to have a cable card. A DVR is a must because of the multitude of shows that air at the same time, but a cable card sounds good too for the improved quality of SD.I'm not sure if we're on the same page... if you split the incoming signal, both the DVR & CableCARD receive the signal at all times. You only need to select a different input on the TV itself to access the desired device: DVR or CableCARD; just like you would change the input to say: Component 2 if that was where you had your DVD player connected. The DVR could be used to record up to two different channels at the same time & you could watch a 3rd channel through the CableCARD.

Hey Optivity! :)

Just had to report that :

1) while I did not purchase a Panny I did...

2) use their PQ to adjust the various competitor sets and...

3) decided to grab the Zenith Z42PX2D at BB after the recent price drop because...

4) I was able to get to roughly (IMO) 95% or so of Panny PQ (although requiring higher than I would like Contrast level) and what really sealed the deal was...
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5) CABLECARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D


P.S. If it doesn't work out I will go either PD50U and rough it* or shoot the works and grab 500U when prices fall more.

* = NO CABLECARD!!!!!!

You could always try the 'Samsung SP-R4232' (http://product.samsung.com/SamsungUSA/PRODUCT/20050401/spr4232.pdf) a lot of BANG for the buck. ;)

I agree on the Sammy...and it does have the Card slot!!!!

But I can't get past the Glossy Bezel (petty I know) and the fact that no matter how much I adjust it doesn't give the decidedly Panny PQ characteristics or a reasonable facsimile. Very few competitor sets like the Zenith have the coloration of the Panny but Sammy does not give it no matter what (yes I even tweaked the 6 color section). Red never seems to look right on it and Panny has the most pleasing red to my eye right out of the box. They seem to render red the way the early Sony's did before they got much better. For me the feeds at BB and other vendors like Sears featuring the Leonardo drawing made it easier to decide. Of course no one has Panny's Blacks but I can live with somewhat less Black as long as I like the color and the contrast is sufficient.

If the Zenith doesn't work out I would rather go with my first love...which is the plan in a very few years anyway with a bigger size and HD (hopefully for roughly the same coin :D )

Thanks for taking the 'Heat' and pushing the card. In my case it was a deciding factor.

You could always try the 'Samsung SP-R4232' (http://product.samsung.com/SamsungUSA/PRODUCT/20050401/spr4232.pdf) a lot of BANG for the buck. ;)
For those obsessed with specifications, Samsung currently leads the field. And their feature set is tops, too.

Still, I'd agree with ClarkeBar, impressive specs don't always lead to equally impressive picture quality. Nonetheless, the new Samsung line does deserve a hard look.

The NEW Samsung line is the 4272 / 5072 series...I have not heard that they are available anywhere for us to look at. Have I missed that announcement while I was on vacation???

I have not seen any of that series (all black) in person but the 42" has been available on the web for awhile and many sites are already out of stock. The new 50" is not expected until mid-Aug or so. I also haven't seen an ED listed anywhere in this newest series.

They have a killer look and are likely to be THE next big thing with their continuing improvements. Time to bring on the new Pannys...and return feature sets to their previous glory.

Hey Optivity! :)

Just had to report that :

1) while I did not purchase a Panny I did...

2) use their PQ to adjust the various competitor sets and...

3) decided to grab the Zenith Z42PX2D at BB after the recent price drop because...

4) I was able to get to roughly (IMO) 95% or so of Panny PQ (although requiring higher than I would like Contrast level) and what really sealed the deal was...
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5) CABLECARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D


P.S. If it doesn't work out I will go either PD50U and rough it* or shoot the works and grab 500U when prices fall more.

* = NO CABLECARD!!!!!!

You guys are still lucky to be living in an area that does not need a cable box to get any basic cable/etc.....

:P

The Samsung 4272 is in at least a few B&Ms now and probably will be in more soon.

I have not seen any of that series (all black) in person but the 42" has been available on the web for awhile and many sites are already out of stock. The new 50" is not expected until mid-Aug or so. I also haven't seen an ED listed anywhere in this newest series.

They have a killer look and are likely to be THE next big thing with their continuing improvements.

I saw an all-black Samsung Plasma at Fry's last week, but there was no information card on the shelf so i don't know what model number it was. The cabinet was gorgeous, but the picture quality was so-so compared to some of the other plasmas nearby. They did have a good HD loop going. The 50PX500U had a great picture too.

There's nothing stopping you from watching SD using the TV's tuner without a CableCard.

The CableCard is used only to decrypt digital channels that are sent down the cable encrypted. It does not come into play at any other time.

With the DVR you can watch anything you want on any other input just by switching to it. The average DVR also lets you record one thing and watch another (it can do this if it claims to be "dual tuner").

With regard to the Cabel Card's function, I thought it was slightly different than you describe. According to earlier posts here, when hooked up to their cable directly, the Panny can get most of the cable channels with the QAM tuner, but that the channel mapping was way off, and there were odd channel numberings, channels showing up in the wrong place, etc. The cable card allowed correct mapping of the channels.

That was my recollection from earlier in this thread anyway.

Darren

i would like to thank everyone the info was accurate and i bought the th42px50u and could not be happier or at least untill the 1080p issue is resolved. going to try the cable since a lot of people say the picture is better. former sony user.

meant to say cablecard so much for proof reading.

I feel as if I've started a CableCARD revolt! :D For a $1.75 per month anyone with a DCR TV & CATV can see it for themselves. ;)

Hi Guys
After over one year of "wanting" a Plasma TV and after reading ALL 114 pages of this thread Twice ; I finally "threw down the gauntlet" and purchased the PX50U this morning. I greatly enjoyed the Posts, especially the ones that mentioned J&R in NYC. I recall going there on my lunch hour to look at the TV'S and had purchased my Receiver there plus lots of CDs. As I am now concerned with Cables and Wallhanging issues I am sure I will continue to visit this thread to pick up more information. Thanks

With regard to the Cabel Card's function, I thought it was slightly different than you describe. According to earlier posts here, when hooked up to their cable directly, the Panny can get most of the cable channels with the QAM tuner, but that the channel mapping was way off, and there were odd channel numberings, channels showing up in the wrong place, etc. The cable card allowed correct mapping of the channels.

That was my recollection from earlier in this thread anyway.

Darren

Well then it appears what you wanted to watch was standard definition digital channels. You will probably need a CableCard to do that. My original answer applied to standard definition analog channels (2 to 125).

Well then it appears what you wanted to watch was standard definition digital channels. You will probably need a CableCard to do that. My original answer applied to standard definition analog channels (2 to 125).

Doesn't it depend upon the cable provider, who determines which channels are analog and which are digital? Here I think the digitals start around 104.

Darren

I need to find some specs on wall mounts that will work with my px50u. The studs in my walls are 24" apart and so I need one that is 4 feet wide because the spot I have picked out is centered on a stud. If I can't find a wall mount I need to find a stand that will work but that would be a last resort. :(

My 50px500 is on its way, and I need to buy a wall mount. Unless someone can give me a compelling reason to get tilt, I'd rather have the unit as close to the wall as possible. Unfortunately, Sanus says the TV has a hump on the back that would prevent me from using a thin mount. I also asked Chief and Peerless, but the model is so new they have no idea.

Does anyone have the 50" mounted using a thin mount? What is the best choice?

I have a 500u and it is wall mounted with an "omni mount" from circut city. It has a bit of play in it, I like it.

HOWEVER...you DO NOT WANT THIS THING TOO CLOSE TO THE WALL!!!!

Why?

Because the ports on the back, FACE the back, they do not face down....and it is a royal pain to hook stuff up to it after it is on the wall.

yeah, I have big hands, and it is a nightmare working back there.....

if you do wall mount it, make sure ALL of your cables are attached first.

other than that....this thing rocks...

dpak

:eek: :mad: My third plasma shipment was damaged. Pilot just called, they want to bring it to my house to have me look at it. They say the box is damaged but the TV inside isn't. I called Panasonic and at first the CSR said - why are they bringing it to your house - why would you want it? I asked how fragile they were and if I should consider accepting it. He put me on hold and when he came back he changed his story and said 'oh, the box is damaged, but that doesn't mean the TV is damaged' you can accept it and have 30 days to assess if it works ok.

After 3 attempts and over a month waiting for it, would I be stupid to take a chance by accepting it? :confused: How fragile are they? How much box damage should I tolerate? How well are they packaged? They will be here in 1 1/2 hours (7pm eastern), so any quick opinions would be greatly appreciated.!! :)

I hate to say it, but this is why I paid more to buy it retail. I told myself how much extra I would pay, and well, I found it for that much.

it is worth it. or it was for me.

dp

I feel as if I've started a CableCARD revolt! :D For a $1.75 per month anyone with a DCR TV & CATV can see it for themselves. ;)
I wish that were the case Optivity. My local cable company does not yet offer CableCard. The guy that came to hook me up with HD cable had never even heard of CableCard. Maybe I should make it a habit to call the cable company daily to enquire about it.

One of the reasons I opted for the PX500U over the PX50U was the "TV Guide" feature which makes up for the loss of the cable guide via the STB.

We're a bit sheltered down here in southern MD. I should be happy that they even offer a good selection of HD programming.

I wish that were the case Optivity. My local cable company does not yet offer CableCard. The guy that came to hook me up with HD cable had never even heard of CableCard. Maybe I should make it a habit to call the cable company daily to enquire about it.

One of the reasons I opted for the PX500U over the PX50U was the "TV Guide" feature which makes up for the loss of the cable guide via the STB.

We're a bit sheltered down here in southern MD. I should be happy that they even offer a good selection of HD programming.I thought there was an 'FCC Mandate' (http://thomashawk.com/2005/03/fcc-extends-set-top-box-deadline.html) that required Cable operators to support CableCARD? Oh well, you'll get there... eventually...

BTW... the most swank affair I've attended was a "black tie" reception at a Golf/Country Club in Chevy Chase MD. I thought the outlying "Beltway" communities were HIGH-income/HIGH-technology areas... it's kind of amusing to find out in Upstate NY, a place like 'Smallbany' has a more FCC friendly CATV provider.

I thought there was an 'FCC Mandate' (http://thomashawk.com/2005/03/fcc-extends-set-top-box-deadline.html) that required Cable operators to support CableCARD? Oh well, you'll get there... eventually...

BTW... the most swank affair I've attended was a "black tie" reception at a Golf/Country Club in Chevy Chase MD. I thought the outlying "Beltway" communities were HIGH-income/HIGH-technology areas... it's kind of amusing to find out in Upstate NY, a place like 'Smallbany' has a more FCC friendly CATV provider.

Not to get off-topic, optivity, but what are your criteria for quoting words, using one or two quote marks, and using italics. :p

Not to get off-topic, optivity, but what are your criteria for quoting words, using one or two quote marks, and using italics. :pWhile there is a "method to my madness" at times there is no particular 'rhyme or reason' for "optivity's" use of " ' " versus " " " quotes...

Typically... (but not always) a " ' " quote will be used in conjunction with {u}{b}{i}{color} tags to draw 'emphasis' to a particular point or imbedded [url]... When quoting/paraphrasing another's ideas/thoughts normally " " " will be used.

Basically... it's just an additional form of entertainment for myself and hopefully others (although some might consider it to be more of an annoyance) to make use of the many tags/icons provided by AVSF.

Does any of this make sense to you? Because it surely does not to me... :confused:

I thought there was an 'FCC Mandate' (http://thomashawk.com/2005/03/fcc-extends-set-top-box-deadline.html) that required Cable operators to support CableCARD? Oh well, you'll get there... eventually...

BTW... the most swank affair I've attended was a "black tie" reception at a Golf/Country Club in Chevy Chase MD. I thought the outlying "Beltway" communities were HIGH-income/HIGH-technology areas... it's kind of amusing to find out in Upstate NY, a place like 'Smallbany' has a more FCC friendly CATV provider.
While I did live in the Chevy Chase area for some time, where I am now is a good 50 miles south of the southern tier of the beltway. You are correct that this area is high-income and high-tech and am pretty sure that they have more otions available to them.

The area where I am now just recently topped the 100,000 mark with regards to population, but is far from being a high-income and high-tech area. Until they decide to build a bridge over the Potomac to VA from down here, we're not gonna get much bigger. The good news is that they're finally building a BB for us.

I was up in Rochester, NY for about 5 years and absolutely loved everything about it.

On another note, I love my new panny.

While there is a "method to my madness" at times there is no particular 'rhyme or reason' for "optivity's" use of " ' " versus " " " quotes...

Typically... (but not always) a " ' " quote will be used in conjunction with {u}{b}{i}{color} tags to draw 'emphasis' to a particular point or imbedded [url]... When quoting/paraphrasing another's ideas/thoughts normally " " " will be used.

Basically... it's just an additional form of entertainment for myself and hopefully others (although some might consider it to be more of an annoyance) to make use of the many tags/icons provided by AVSF.

Does any of this make sense to you? Because it surely does not to me... :confused:

Thankfully, no one uses l33t speak (if you don't know what I mean be thankful)......now that would be "bothersome." LOL.

This a little off topic, but if i do choose to use a cable card and a DVR by splittng the cable, is it possible to get a DVR that doesn't require a monthly fee like comcasts dvr or tivo. I don't care about the program guide that it would come with since i would use the 500U's program guide and the cable card to watch normal tv and just use the dvr to record the shows i want to watch later.

And if the monthly service fee is required to be able to mess with live tv, that's okay too, cause i rarely use that feature anyways. I just want to avoid paying for more than i need.

This a little off topic, but if i do choose to use a cable card and a DVR by splittng the cable, is it possible to get a DVR that doesn't require a monthly fee like comcasts dvr or tivo. I don't care about the program guide that it would come with since i would use the 500U's program guide and the cable card to watch normal tv and just use the dvr to record the shows i want to watch later.

And if the monthly service fee is required to be able to mess with live tv, that's okay too, cause i rarely use that feature anyways. I just want to avoid paying for more than i need.

Sony DVR /DVD Recorder (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=RDRHX900)

"Cable Box/Satellite Reciever Control may not be compatible with all brands of cable boxes and satellite recievers."

Most likely you would be unable to record any digital or HD channels from your CATV provider... eventually there will be DVR type devices that include CableCARD support to provide this capability.

Thanks Randy, i figured there had to be something out there that didn't require a monthly fee to use. The downside i guess is the cost. Quite a bit more expensive than you're standard tivo.

Thanks Randy, i figured there had to be something out there that didn't require a monthly fee to use. The downside i guess is the cost. Quite a bit more expensive than you're standard tivo.

FYI, LG was also making a HD capable DVR, but with a much smaller hard drive than the sony. It, like the sony, has a built in ATSC tuner and QAM tuner for cable. The sony has two rf inputs, one for OTA and one for Cable, and also has the Tv Guide menu.

Darren

There is no firmware upgrade available for the cablecard issue if you have a 500u, the product shipped with the latest/greatest on it.

Panasonic will be calling me later to walk me through some things to see if we can fix the issue.

After waiting 30 minutes to get a hold of someone the CSR was very helpful.

Question, are these cablecards addressable cards?

The cable in my area, digital or analog, uses some sort of box address to verify usage and assign correct numbers to all the channels. If you do not have that, many of the channels are unavailable or in the wrong order.

Would these cards be able to act IN LIEU of a cable box (provided subscription fees are paid, etc etc...)?


Or does this all depend on your provider?

It seems to depend on provider. You need to give the customer service line a call. Some of them charge a nominal fee to utilize the card but my provider does not. :)

You are correct in that the cablecard is meant to remove the box for those who do not utilize pay-per-view and on demand services. Optivity (do a member post search) swears by the better PQ and others have joined him in this...I cannot state it for myself as I have not yet been set up for it with Comcast here in Md. I'm still breaking in my Plasma and am not interested in viewing anything of importance for a few more days at least. But I do not doubt it as I have never had any decent reception with any box I've ever tried. To me they are nothing but noise (picture) providers. So I prefer to run my cable straight in now with analog...it will be the same with Digital HD using the cablecard. :)

Question, are these cablecards addressable cards?

The cable in my area, digital or analog, uses some sort of box address to verify usage and assign correct numbers to all the channels. If you do not have that, many of the channels are unavailable or in the wrong order.

Would these cards be able to act IN LIEU of a cable box (provided subscription fees are paid, etc etc...)?


Or does this all depend on your provider?

That's exactly how they work. The authorization part of the cable box in a tiny package that works with the other logic in the TV.

I do not doubt it as I have never had any decent reception with any box I've ever tried. To me they are nothing but noise (picture) providers. So I prefer to run my cable straight in now with analog...it will be the same with Digital HD using the cablecard. :)And this my friend is known as... (attn. DanP) "hitting the proverbial nail on the head!" ;)

Just wondering if anyone has ever tried hooking up PC via DVI to HDMI on the
Panasonic 42" 500U model..
I do use the pc input, but rather have the HDMI input as can go to 720p

Thanks

Has anyone had their new 50U/500U ISF calibrated yet? I just paid Gregg Loewen to do mine and he is coming on saturday, July 30th to calibrate it. I'm a little nervous because I've never had this done before, so I'd like to hear of other results from fellow 8th genertaion plasma owners.

Thanks!

And this my friend is known as... (attn. DanP) "hitting the proverbial nail on the head!" ;)

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LOL.

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LOL.At least you still appreciate my humor. :D

Well, after way too many months of deliberation (i think some people call it analysis paralysis) i finally ordered the 50px500u. Now I need to update the DVD player. Can anyone recommend one or two or three which work best with the Panny. Im not looking to spend tons of cash but will if the consensus is that it makes a real difference. Ideas?

ps. I know there's an entire forum devoted to DVD's but Im afraid I'll get stuck in that wormhole too --I dont want to become a DVD devotee I just wanna watch movies.

a

Has anyone had their new 50U/500U ISF calibrated yet? I just paid Gregg Loewen to do mine and he is coming on saturday, July 30th to calibrate it. I'm a little nervous because I've never had this done before, so I'd like to hear of other results from fellow 8th genertaion plasma owners.

Thanks!

It is my understanding that this may not be possible at this time. Nobody has been able to access (or Locate) the "RGB Cuts and Drives" to calibrate the "Greyscale".

So until this knowledge is known I think I would wait.

Dave

Well, after way too many months of deliberation (i think some people call it analysis paralysis) i finally ordered the 50px500u. Now I need to update the DVD player. Can anyone recommend one or two or three which work best with the Panny. Im not looking to spend tons of cash but will if the consensus is that it makes a real difference. Ideas?

ps. I know there's an entire forum devoted to DVD's but Im afraid I'll get stuck in that wormhole too --I dont want to become a DVD devotee I just wanna watch movies.

a


I just received my TH-50PX500U today and DVDs look awesome on the plasma with my Panny S97 DVD player. I am using the HDMI connection, upconverted to 1080i. I'm no expert, but I would recommend the S97. Good luck!

I just received my TH-50PX500U today! DVDs on this display look stunning. As expected, SD over analog cable doesn't look that great. I will be upgrading to digital cable (maybe some improvement?) and HD through my local cable company tomorrow.

Anyway, here are a few pics. Keep in mind that I'm an amateur at taking pictures and that the display looks much better in person. I will try to post some additional pics once I have my PC hooked up.

Ter

Well, after way too many months of deliberation (i think some people call it analysis paralysis) i finally ordered the 50px500u. Now I need to update the DVD player. Can anyone recommend one or two or three which work best with the Panny. Im not looking to spend tons of cash but will if the consensus is that it makes a real difference. Ideas?

ps. I know there's an entire forum devoted to DVD's but Im afraid I'll get stuck in that wormhole too --I dont want to become a DVD devotee I just wanna watch movies.

a

I got the Samsung HD950.

Optivity: thanks for the spelling correction. And my apologies to Guinness.

Terminator3, i really like the entertainment center that you've got under your new plasma. I'm planning on getting my 500U in a couple of weeks and am now shopping for the basics first. Where did you purchase the center and what brand is it? Thanks.

I just received my TH-50PX500U today! DVDs on this display look stunning. As expected, SD over analog cable doesn't look that great. I will be upgrading to digital cable (maybe some improvement?) and HD through my local cable company tomorrow.

Anyway, here are a few pics. Keep in mind that I'm an amateur at taking pictures and that the display looks much better in person. I will try to post some additional pics once I have my PC hooked up.

Ter

Those pictures are amazing Terminator3! I have been out of the office the past two days (my son has one of those bugs going around) and unable to contact you back and see how things are going for you and your new panel.

Let me know how you like your digital cable hooked up/installed on your new panel. Digital is always best for digital televisions (I've have to upgrade once I have my new LCD :) ). I'm glad to see everything arrived ok and going well for you so far. Let me know if you have any more questions at any time.

Best Regards,
Cambryn Courson

I got the Samsung HD950.

Optivity: thanks for the spelling correction. And my apologies to Guinness.Good catch on your part... I was wondering if you would notice? ;)

Has anyone had their new 50U/500U ISF calibrated yet? I just paid Gregg Loewen to do mine and he is coming on saturday, July 30th to calibrate it. I'm a little nervous because I've never had this done before, so I'd like to hear of other results from fellow 8th genertaion plasma owners.

Thanks!

I believe you're the first. Gregg seems to do excellent work from the reviews I've read. I visited with him at length and he has a great deal of experience. Please take good notes of exactly what he accomplishes/changes - especially via the service menu. I may consider this as well. You might want to view the Avia grayscale gradient so you can get a reference of how much he improves gray tracking.

I just received my TH-50PX500U today! DVDs on this display look stunning. As expected, SD over analog cable doesn't look that great. I will be upgrading to digital cable (maybe some improvement?) and HD through my local cable company tomorrow.

Will you be getting your digital/HD service with a CableCard or external HD STB? Or an HD DVR?

FWIW, analog cable (ch 2-99) looks slightly better through my SA8000 DVR via S-Video than it does going through the TV's internal tuner (which looks a bit grainy in comparison). Same thing with my SA8000HD and Pioneer 3510HD. But most people report that external STBs degrade picture quality so be ready to take a slight hit in PQ with an external digital STB. If you don't need the extended features of an STB (VOD, PPV, etc) and don't want a DVR then CableCard is the way to go. I'd try a CableCard but i practically never watch TV in real time (i use 2 DVRs and time-shift everything).

I temporarily connected my Pioneer 3510HD STB to the plasma and SD (both analog and digital channels) looked horrible through the Component connection, but look great via Composite and even better via S-Video so keep that in mind when you get your HD STB from the cable company. Same goes for my SA8000HD DVR but SD doesn't look quite as bad over Component as it does on the 3510HD. I had the same results with these STBs on my 32" HD Tube TV and two different small LCD TVs in other parts of the house. So if you use an HD STB check out how SD looks on S-Video compared to Component.

Well, after way too many months of deliberation (i think some people call it analysis paralysis) i finally ordered the 50px500u. Now I need to update the DVD player. Can anyone recommend one or two or three which work best with the Panny. Im not looking to spend tons of cash but will if the consensus is that it makes a real difference. Ideas?

ps. I know there's an entire forum devoted to DVD's but Im afraid I'll get stuck in that wormhole too --I dont want to become a DVD devotee I just wanna watch movies.

a

I went to walmart and purchased a CyberHome upconvert (720p or 1080i) HDMI type, that came with a HDMI cable 6 ft, the other 2 cables. for only $80. It works great with my TH-50PX500U run it at 720p I love it. It also plays all my DVD-R DVDs just like my old APEX player. It is also very slim.

Mike

I have a 500u and it is wall mounted with an "omni mount" from circut city. It has a bit of play in it, I like it.

HOWEVER...you DO NOT WANT THIS THING TOO CLOSE TO THE WALL!!!!

Why?

Because the ports on the back, FACE the back, they do not face down....and it is a royal pain to hook stuff up to it after it is on the wall.

yeah, I have big hands, and it is a nightmare working back there.....

if you do wall mount it, make sure ALL of your cables are attached first.

other than that....this thing rocks...

dpak
Thats a good thing to know, I will keep this in mind for others that are looking to wall mounting it. Do you have a flat mount?

I have a 500u and it is wall mounted with an "omni mount" from circut city. It has a bit of play in it, I like it.

HOWEVER...you DO NOT WANT THIS THING TOO CLOSE TO THE WALL!!!!

Why?

Because the ports on the back, FACE the back, they do not face down....and it is a royal pain to hook stuff up to it after it is on the wall.

yeah, I have big hands, and it is a nightmare working back there.....

if you do wall mount it, make sure ALL of your cables are attached first.

other than that....this thing rocks...

dpak


Pak...which omnimount are you using?

Hey Terminator3?

Where did you get that entertainment console in your TV photos?

It's pretty sweet.

Thanks

I'm very close to getting the 50" PX50 but my wife is wondering if I really know what I am doing, (The just completed brick pathway in the backyard does meander a bit) so I have a connection question.

If you use the cablecard system, STB or a satellite system, how do you bleed the audio to your home theater receiver?

STBs have an audio output jack(s) in back. Preferably it is optical. Simply connect the cable from the back of the STB to the input of your receiver.

When using a CableCARD, the PX50U has an optical digital audio out and analogue audio out connection(s) for your 5.1 receiver as well.

I'm also wondering about the PX50U vs PX500U. The only thing the 500U offers that I would be interested in is the PC input. But I has dismissed that and then I noticed in another thread where somebody was going to buy a home theater PC. I didn't realize something like that even existed. Could the PC input become a big deal a couple years from now?

Depends on personal usage...now and future...but PC input was a must have for me which is why I didn't choose the PD50U (although it can be handled differently with the current inputs anyway...just will lack resolution control.) Am still considering the 500U while evaluating the new Zenith ED.

Will be interested to hear from anyone with long term PC use on these plasmas.....I would have concern about burn-in but looks like there are many who feel it's a non-issue.

I could see an issue from heavy gamers...but that's not me.

PC input for me is really a "don't cut off your nose to spite your face" kind of thing. I may never utilize it in a wi-fi setup like I imagine...certainly mywife doesn't see herself using it at all...but times and situations change. I figure why not have a capability in hand in order to further the usage as the years go by and new (larger :D ) replacements are added.

I already own (2) PCs and a laptop, I guess I need a PC compatible PDP too. :)

I use my 500U 42" to connect to my home theater pc.
It is a media center pc allowing to act as a tivo,
plays dvds
music

I also can play GTA San Andreas for pc at a nice 1024x768.. trust me it looks awesome!!

Movies also look great at 1024x768. I am still working with the frequency though because every now and then I see a tear in action scene.. nothing big and hardly noticeable, but I want PERFECTION.

I highly recommend pc input, and a HTPC, they are upgradeable, can do the above, and cost as much as a tivo and dvd player etc (you can get the powerspec one for under $800) and it works awesome, I keep that one in my bedroom since it is nearly totally silent.

Now to see how halo looks at 1024x768 on big screen..

Oh, and I don't recommend the Alienware DHS system.. it has been nothing but a headache since day one, go with powerspec media center if you are thinking of one.

Thanks,
mo!

So I'm at my local BB finally getting a good look at the 50PX50 which is on display next to a Sony and Pioneer. I am immediately struck by the lack of resolution on the Panny. The picture was almost blocky in my view where the other plasmas were not.

All three were hooked up to an unknown source but all were hooked up to the same source. A BB employee agreed with me but that's as far as he would go. He gave me some babble about the remotes being locked up and I thought to myself that I wouldn't know what to change anyway. I made a mental note to ask about this here. So here it is.

Thanks for reading.

The out of box default setting for the PX50U is Vivid which cranks the contrast & sharpness controls way-up. If connected to an external source there is an adjustable on/off setting for Black Level which if set incorrectly hides a lot of detail. Were all three panels cabled the same, HDMI, Component, etc.?

I've had my 50U since May 1st and its HD renderings are crisp, clear, detailed with true well-saturated colors. Of course I am using the CableCARD interface. ;)

Terminator3, i really like the entertainment center that you've got under your new plasma. I'm planning on getting my 500U in a couple of weeks and am now shopping for the basics first. Where did you purchase the center and what brand is it? Thanks.

Hey Terminator3?

Where did you get that entertainment console in your TV photos?

It's pretty sweet.

Swimzwu and Benit,

Thanks for the nice comments on the entertainment center. Back when I first started thinking seriously about buying a PDP, I began looking around at entertainment centers. There wasn't a whole lot to choose from that I thought would work, and the ones that looked good and were functional cost way too much. That's when I decided to go ahead and build my own. I created my own plans to meet my requirements and then built it from scratch using cherry and maple. So, what you are looking at is a one of a kind "Terminator3" entertainment center. :)

Will you be getting your digital/HD service with a CableCard or external HD STB? Or an HD DVR?

FWIW, analog cable (ch 2-99) looks slightly better through my SA8000 DVR via S-Video than it does going through the TV's internal tuner (which looks a bit grainy in comparison). Same thing with my SA8000HD and Pioneer 3510HD. But most people report that external STBs degrade picture quality so be ready to take a slight hit in PQ with an external digital STB. If you don't need the extended features of an STB (VOD, PPV, etc) and don't want a DVR then CableCard is the way to go. I'd try a CableCard but i practically never watch TV in real time (i use 2 DVRs and time-shift everything).

I temporarily connected my Pioneer 3510HD STB to the plasma and SD (both analog and digital channels) looked horrible through the Component connection, but look great via Composite and even better via S-Video so keep that in mind when you get your HD STB from the cable company. Same goes for my SA8000HD DVR but SD doesn't look quite as bad over Component as it does on the 3510HD. I had the same results with these STBs on my 32" HD Tube TV and two different small LCD TVs in other parts of the house. So if you use an HD STB check out how SD looks on S-Video compared to Component.

I am using the Motorola DCT6412 STB with DVR from Mediacom. Right now I have the cable being split to the STB and the PDP's ANT input. The SD channels through the ANT input actually don't look too bad now. However, the SD analog channels through the STB's component feed look pretty poor.

Thanks for the advice on using the composite or S-video feeds from the STB for analog SD. I will have to give that a shot to see how it compares to the ANT input.

Ter

The out of box default setting for the PX50U is Vivid which cranks the contrast & sharpness controls way-up. If connected to an external source there is an adjustable on/off setting for Black Level which if set incorrectly hides a lot of detail. Were all three panels cabled the same, HDMI, Component, etc.?

I've had my 50U since May 1st and its HD renderings are crisp, clear, detailed with true well-saturated colors. Of course I am using the CableCARD interface. ;)

Optivity, what are you using for Picture settings on your PX50U? I have changed Vivid to Standard, turned Color Management off, Black level is set to light, and all other settings are at 0, except for "Picture" which I have set to +8. I find that when I set "Picture" close to 0, which some people have recommended, the picture on the PDP becomes too dim, even with HD feeds. I know you're running with the CableCARD and I'm not :rolleyes: , but I'm still curious about your picture settings.

Thanks,

Ter

...I created my own plans to meet my requirements and then built it from scratch using cherry and maple. So, what you are looking at is a one of a kind "Terminator3" entertainment center. :)
Oh. My. Gawd.

Are you married? I hope so, because otherwise my wife wants your number. :eek:

Seriously, that is one sweet looking unit. You might want to think about ramping up for production, 'cause I have a feeling the T3 Entertainment Center could be in big demand.

Congrats.

Hiya folks. I just got a 42pd50u and have a quick question, my apologies if this has already been covered somewhere in this gargantuan thread.

Is there a way to view 2.35:1 movies full screen without stretching the image? I'm using 480p letterbox output from my dvd player. The only aspect that will not have black bars is "zoom", but it stretches the image vertically.

Thanks in advance.

Hiya folks. I just got a 42pd50u and have a quick question, my apologies if this has already been covered somewhere in this gargantuan thread.

Is there a way to view 2.35:1 movies full screen without stretching the image? I'm using 480p letterbox output from my dvd player. The only aspect that will not have black bars is "zoom", but it stretches the image vertically.

Thanks in advance.

The aspect ratio of your screen is 1.78:1. So if the movie is 2.35:1 and fills the screen horizontally, it has to be shorter than your screen. This is what results in the unused space at top and bottom.

The out of box default setting for the PX50U is Vivid which cranks the contrast & sharpness controls way-up. If connected to an external source there is an adjustable on/off setting for Black Level which if set incorrectly hides a lot of detail. Were all three panels cabled the same, HDMI, Component, etc.?

I've had my 50U since May 1st and its HD renderings are crisp, clear, detailed with true well-saturated colors. Of course I am using the CableCARD interface. ;)

Cha..Ching.. If I didnt know better Opt. I`d say you where gettin a kick back from
the Cable providers Assc. of America....J/K.. :p

It might be handy to have a "2.35 --> 1.78 crop zoom" that crops the left and right edges off a 2.35 picture and fills the screen with the remainder. I don't like the vertical stretch at all. Of course others would not like cropping part of the film off either.

Optivity, what are you using for Picture settings on your PX50U? I have changed Vivid to Standard, turned Color Management off, Black level is set to light, and all other settings are at 0, except for "Picture" which I have set to +8. I find that when I set "Picture" close to 0, which some people have recommended, the picture on the PDP becomes too dim, even with HD feeds. I know you're running with the CableCARD and I'm not :rolleyes: , but I'm still curious about your picture settings.

Thanks,

TerI've tried watching with the Picture setting at 0 and agree it's too dim. My settings:

Picture Mode: Standard
Picture: +15
Brightness: 0
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: +10
Color Temp: Normal
Color Management: On
Video NR: Off
3D Y/C Filter (auto adjusts): On/480i Off/720p/1080i
Color Matrix (auto adjusts): SD/480i HD/720p/1080i
MPEG NR: Off
Black Level (auto adjusts): Dark/480i Light/720p/1080i

Cha..Ching.. If I didnt know better Opt. I`d say you where gettin a kick back from
the Cable providers Assc. of America....J/K.. :p Nope. Just a "working stiff" who can hopefully afford to retire about seven years from now... :)

Swimzwu and Benit,

Thanks for the nice comments on the entertainment center. Back when I first started thinking seriously about buying a PDP, I began looking around at entertainment centers. There wasn't a whole lot to choose from that I thought would work, and the ones that looked good and were functional cost way too much. That's when I decided to go ahead and build my own. I created my own plans to meet my requirements and then built it from scratch using cherry and maple. So, what you are looking at is a one of a kind "Terminator3" entertainment center. :)

Sheesh, I get all impressed with myself for making some speaker stands....
Very nice work T3. Verrrry nice!

You must have a good woodshop setup...mmmm....tools.

I feel a little weird...when I went back to find your pics to see what all the fuss was about, I didn't even notice your shiny new plasma perched atop your project.
How very un-AVS like of me. :confused:

Please forgive me for an ignorant question, but I can't seem to find an answer in this thread:

Is the Panasonic TH-42PHD7UY a new model, or is it soon to be outdated/replaced with one of the models discussed above? Any words of wisdom on this particular piece?

Thank you for your time!

It might be handy to have a "2.35 --> 1.78 crop zoom" that crops the left and right edges off a 2.35 picture and fills the screen with the remainder. I don't like the vertical stretch at all. Of course others would not like cropping part of the film off either.


Ok yea, that's exactly what I'm looking to do. Is there a way to do that?


My main concern is avoiding burn in, I'd prefer just to have the black bars. Will I be able to do that once break in period is over? Do most people even worry about that? I'll be using this primarily for watching dvd's, so I'd be doing it alot.

Here are some pics from my new Panny (since June 2005)

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8333/pv500c55554dw.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pv500c55554dw.jpg)

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http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6410/pv7.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pv7.jpg)


Sorry for the mess...:-) It's not all ready yet

Joshy

Some More:

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/531/pv6.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pv6.jpg)

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1027/pv5.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pv5.jpg)

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http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/5614/pv14.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pv14.jpg)

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/3577/pv12.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pv12.jpg)

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7735/pv500b0za.th.jpg (http://img26.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pv500b0za.jpg)

Latest Update:

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Those lines on a screen are from my Cam, they not accour in normal viewing

Joshy

Please forgive me for an ignorant question, but I can't seem to find an answer in this thread:

Is the Panasonic TH-42PHD7UY a new model, or is it soon to be outdated/replaced with one of the models discussed above? Any words of wisdom on this particular piece?

The PHD7UY series are Commercial models with no tuners, no speakers, no table stand, and minimal inputs. It is still the current model but will soon be replaced by the new 8UK series (virtually the same but with newer generation glass, a slightly redesigned cabinet, and i think a few other minor changes). These can only be bought either online/mailorder or through professional local A/V installers.

The displays covered in this thread (PD50U, PX50U, PX500U) are the Consumer models that you can buy in Brick-and-Mortar stores (as well as online). These have built-in tuners, speakers, come with a table pedestal, and have a lot more inputs.

If you don't need the features of the Consumer model you may be able to get by with the more basic Commercial model which is basically a display, not a TV.

Wow, you just saved me an enormous headache. Thank you, Randy!

How are these new panasonic models with glare. I am considering purchasing the PX50 but it will be adjacent to a wall that is Approx 18'x18' and almost entirely windows. I am having this house built so am not living it in yet so it is hard to tell how this setup will work. Would this be a bad idea? The wall of windows will be the East wall and the Plasma would be mounted on the South wall, if that helps. I dont watch too much in the daytime but during the summer months here it can stay light until after 10pm. I was originally considering LCD but I haven't found one big enough that I like and can afford. Would plasma work for me? I am really impressed with these new panny's

JJ

The house is not built yet? Then wait until it is to buy the TV. Another generation of technology will be on the market by then.

How are these new panasonic models with glare. I am considering purchasing the PX50 but it will be adjacent to a wall that is Approx 18'x18' and almost entirely windows. I am having this house built so am not living it in yet so it is hard to tell how this setup will work. Would this be a bad idea? The wall of windows will be the East wall and the Plasma would be mounted on the South wall, if that helps. I dont watch too much in the daytime but during the summer months here it can stay light until after 10pm. I was originally considering LCD but I haven't found one big enough that I like and can afford. Would plasma work for me? I am really impressed with these new panny's

JJ

It glares big time. I'm very happy with the PX50 but if you plan on having your blinds open during daylight, with all the window space you have, I suggest you do a careful compare and contrast with other plasmas like the Pioneers. I can't say if the new Pannies are better or worse but it's good that you have at least considered this.

no the house is almost ready...I'll be moving in about a month
I sold my projector with my old house, sold my 300 lb RPTV and just took back and LCD that I didnt like. I am ...dare I say it...TV less
Wife is saying just get something that I will be happy with...which is difficult

I've never considered plasma until now because prices are becoming reasonable and in Boise we only have Best buy and CC and the plasmas are rarely set up right and have always looked bad.

I was just trying to get some input on glare with large (5'x7') windows

JJ

How are these new panasonic models with glare. I am considering purchasing the PX50 but it will be adjacent to a wall that is Approx 18'x18' and almost entirely windows. I am having this house built so am not living it in yet so it is hard to tell how this setup will work. Would this be a bad idea? The wall of windows will be the East wall and the Plasma would be mounted on the South wall, if that helps. I dont watch too much in the daytime but during the summer months here it can stay light until after 10pm. I was originally considering LCD but I haven't found one big enough that I like and can afford. Would plasma work for me? I am really impressed with these new panny's

My 42PX50U seems to have some sort of anti-glare coating on the glass. It's reflective, but not as much as the 32" HD Panny tube TV it replaced which has no anti-glare treatment at all. The reflection of the window opposite the TV is not as apparent in the plasma as it was with the tube TV in the daytime. When i was looking at it at Circuit City, it was less reflective than some of the other plasmas that were on the same wall.

I would think your room will be getting lotsa light in the morning but as noon approaches the sun will be more to the south and no longer beaming into the big windows so it might not be so bad. If you're wall mounting it an articulated arm mount might be handy so you could pull the TV all the way out and turn it at an angle if there are things in the room that are illuminated and reflecting off the screen. The adjustability can come in real handy here.

If you're table mounting it, i think the 42PX500U is the one with the swivel stand. . . .

Anyone here have suggestions on changing default settings for 42PX500U?

I have kept mine on default settings as I have no idea which ones are ideal.

I am new to the world of plasma. I have a 50px50u. It seems most everyone runs thier settings a bit to the dark side. is there a reason for this other than personal prefference? Is it a prevenative measure being taken to avoid screen burn in?

Looking for advice

I am new to the world of plasma. I have a 50px50u. It seems most everyone runs thier settings a bit to the dark side. is there a reason for this other than personal prefference? Is it a prevenative measure being taken to avoid screen burn in?

Darker is easier on the eyes and easier on the phosphurs.

I buck the trend and run mine hot on the SD inputs, but a little less hot on the HD and DVD inputs. I prefer that it look the same as my previous HD tube TV and to do so i have to run the contrast on the high side. I'm not worried about shortening it's life since i don't plan on keeping it the full 20 years of it's claimed 60,000 hour lifespan :D

Generally, when calibrated, the display will be at those lower settings.

This isn't necessary to protect the display. It'll last years and years regardless.

It is often necessary to preserve shadow and highlight detail, however.

Anyone here have suggestions on changing default settings for 42PX500U?

I have kept mine on default settings as I have no idea which ones are ideal.I am new to the world of plasma. I have a 50px50u. It seems most everyone runs thier settings a bit to the dark side. is there a reason for this other than personal prefference? Is it a prevenative measure being taken to avoid screen burn in?

Looking for adviceA new PDP (Panasonic) should be run no higher than the Standard setting with both the Picture and Brightness controls turned down at least a few notches. Some individuals will tell you it's safe to ignore the manufacturer's recommendations, but I believe it's best to follow their instructions. If you have not done so already, read Panasonic's white paper: "Plasma Facts and Myths Panasonic Presents Advice From the Video Purist Perspective" (http://www.fcw.com/vendorsolutions/panasonicplasma.pdf#search='plasma%20myths%20white%20paper') for information regarding the appropriate break-in procedures to use with your new display.

Thanks for the white papaer on the Panasonic Plasma. I had no idea there was a breaking in period. I have now taken down all my settings ( contrast, brightness, color etc. ) to 0. Seeing as we have had the set for 5 days now I expect we are about half way there to the 100 hour mark. I do have a follow up question and apologize if its been addressed in this forum. I am having trouble doing the following:

I am using a HDTV reciever from Direct TV and connected directly to the set with HDMI

1. changing the aspect ratio - doest seem to change anything. If I adjust the format on the sat rec it sometimes displays everythin in a rose color. Cant seem to get the TV to cover the whole display when its in 4:3 mode. Isnt that something we are supposed to be doing?

2. Some of my setups are greyed out on the setup menus - Side Bar, 3D YC Filter, Color Matrix.

Am I doing something wrong? Again thanks for any response, I didnt have time to go through the 3,000 plus replys on this forum. Is there a easy way to search on the forum for a subject?

Rick

I am new to the world of plasma. I have a 50px50u. It seems most everyone runs thier settings a bit to the dark side. is there a reason for this other than personal prefference? Is it a prevenative measure being taken to avoid screen burn in?

Looking for advice
what makes you think they're on the dark side? If you are going by settings people are posting, dont. My settings may look bright on my tv but dark to you because of a million different factors, cable box, lighting, wiring, connection.

When I was shopping for my plasma every store had the Panasonic setting on Vivid and with the factory default setting. This ought to be a red flag why not to buy a floor display! Contrast at full bore! They do it beacause of the lightning in these stores is bright as can be. Also I don't know how you could watch these tv's in any other setting than vivid. Standard doesn't look right on mine. Cinema doesn't look right and either does auto.

Thanks for the white papaer on the Panasonic Plasma. I had no idea there was a breaking in period. I have now taken down all my settings ( contrast, brightness, color etc. ) to 0. Seeing as we have had the set for 5 days now I expect we are about half way there to the 100 hour mark. I do have a follow up question and apologize if its been addressed in this forum. I am having trouble doing the following:

I am using a HDTV reciever from Direct TV and connected directly to the set with HDMI

1. changing the aspect ratio - doest seem to change anything. If I adjust the format on the sat rec it sometimes displays everythin in a rose color. Cant seem to get the TV to cover the whole display when its in 4:3 mode. Isnt that something we are supposed to be doing?

2. Some of my setups are greyed out on the setup menus - Side Bar, 3D YC Filter, Color Matrix.

Am I doing something wrong? Again thanks for any response, I didnt have time to go through the 3,000 plus replys on this forum. Is there a easy way to search on the forum for a subject?

RickSome settings may not be selectable (i.e. greyed-out) based upon the incoming signal and/or cable connection (e.g. component versus HDMI). Your PDP supports 480i/480p/720p/1080i. The aspect control is available only with 480i/480p signals. If the program is 720p/1080i perhaps there are stretch/zoom options available using the satellite remote. Obviously, it is not desired to use a setting that results in a "rose colored" picture.

The color matrix setting can only be adjusted with 480p signals, otherwise it will be set to SD for 480i and HD for 720p/1080i. I believe the 3D YC Filer is selectable with 480i but not 720p/1080i.

Hiya folks. I just got a 42pd50u and have a quick question, my apologies if this has already been covered somewhere in this gargantuan thread.

Is there a way to view 2.35:1 movies full screen without stretching the image? I'm using 480p letterbox output from my dvd player. The only aspect that will not have black bars is "zoom", but it stretches the image vertically.

Thanks in advance.

Unforunately "NO " :(

but, according to the 'black bar brigade' (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=563678) it doesn't matter... ;)

It might be handy to have a "2.35 --> 1.78 crop zoom" that crops the left and right edges off a 2.35 picture and fills the screen with the remainder. I don't like the vertical stretch at all. Of course others would not like cropping part of the film off either.

This is exactly what the adjustable zoom on the PX500 allows you to do.

Good point. I'll have to try that the next time I rent a DVD. ;)

Before I open a thread regarding in general plasma's having this display issue that I'm about to speak of, I figured I'd post it here, seeing that my 50px50u is experiencing it.. Lets see if any others in the group of Panny owners are seeing this..

First yes, I know there are other threads on the topic, but no one here has dicussed it. And to be honest, no one has come to any conclusion on what is the cause of it. The issue is the phosphor/plasma response time, firing time, whatever you want to call it, specifically for the greens (No this is not green push i'm talking of).

I'm very aware of RBE on DLPs, and I can see them with minmal effort. My 50PX50U arrived about 1.5 weeks ago and while the picture is stunning, my eyes see what I can only equate to a RBE. Only it is greenish yellow. Not only can I see it in dark scenes w/white objects that move, but even the white of baseball players running fast. To my eyes at times i can see a green blur behind them...

If you find a bright scene in a movie or tv. Wave your hand (with your fingers spread) quickly infront of the plasma and you'll see a green and purplish look to your fingers as they move.

Of course I've adjusted the heck out of the tv to minimize it. Reducing contrast does help, but does not alleviate the issue. I'm still in my first 100 hours, so the tv is very new. Yes I have good cables. No it is not just one input. HDMI, DVD (component), Xbox (component) and Tivo (composite) all suffer from the same thing.

So today I was playing around with xbox, and they have this pong screen saver. a white blip moving around. And I noticed that the trailing edge is green, while the leading edge is purpble.. Now this tells me that the green phosphors are not firing at the right time. That is, the purple edge comes from the red and blues firing, then the greens come on, produce a white image and at the end the reds and blues have turned off while the greens are still on. Hence the purple leading edge and the green trailing edge.

You can think of it as this, pretend we've outlined a 3 x 4 pixel box, and it is moving up.

RB RB RB
RBG RBG RBG
RBG RBG RBG
G G G

Thats the end effect... and it drives me nuts. I can see it on all sorts of scenes. I've yet to go back to a store and sit there and wave my hand infront of all the plasmas...i know i've seen this effect on other brands though... This may just be an issue w/all plasmas.. Ideas? then again, i'm the minority that can see the flicker in the new LED tail-lights on cars... eek.. my eyes must be too good for my own good..

Good news is that I am getting a new 50px50u, as this one has a poor coating of anti-glare, so i'm getting it replaced on wed.

-t

wdwms: There was another forum reader who reported a similar effect a few months ago. He/she was the only person to my recollection who claimed to see that. I'll try to do a quick search to see if I can find that thread...

I found it. Here's a link to that thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=540599&highlight=rainbow+plasma

I found it. Here's a link to that thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=540599&highlight=rainbow+plasma


Yah good info in that thread.. I just got off the phone w/a Panny tech, and its just one of the "gotchas" with the technology... I'm wondering if with age the phosphors will "die" quicker after being excited.. May attribute to some Plasmas on display at stores not exhibiting this detail. Also I swear it gets better the longer the tv is on...

thanks for the link!

-t

ok...been a serious lurker for months around here and have been back and forth to stores all around just to figure out which display to get....i am about to pull the trigger on a 500U but have not seen this question or answer anywhere yet:

If I utilize a CableCard from Comcast AND a Moto 64xx DVR via the HDMI input will I be able to utilize the split screen on the 500U with these inputs active?

thanks!

ok...been a serious lurker for months around here and have been back and forth to stores all around just to figure out which display to get....i am about to pull the trigger on a 500U but have not seen this question or answer anywhere yet:

If I utilize a CableCard from Comcast AND a Moto 64xx DVR via the HDMI input will I be able to utilize the split screen on the 500U with these inputs active?

thanks!

Yup. I did exactly this with my PX500 last night.

This is exactly what the adjustable zoom on the PX500 allows you to do.
Actually, no. the adjustable zoom only works in the vertical direction, which causes stretching. You can't adjust the horizontal as well.

What is actually needed to avoid stretching the image is to zoom vertically to to full height and clip off a bit on the left and right sides to maintain the OAR.

This can't be done on the Panny plasma zoom. The only way I know of is to use a HTPC and a DVD player such as ZoomPlayer or TheaterTek, which allow custom zoom settings. You can even define custom profiles for each aspect ratio the the software applies automatically if it can detect the aspect ratio, or you can manually assign the profile if the disc didn't flag it or flagged it incorrectly. I haven't tried this yet - so the info provided is just from my research, but this is my preferred solution.

Yup. I did exactly this with my PX500 last night.

So you can watch two HD shows at one time?

At the risk of leaving a permanent "after-image" on your PDP.

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/split.JPG

Has anyone actually seen this set on Long Island? And what gives with the secrecy about price and availability say with TVAuthority? I would like to buy one from TVA but they don't have it posted on their site. And spend all that money without seeing it? I don't think so.

So you can watch two HD shows at one time?


Yes! Exactly what I want to do....oh and see the difference with the cable card input as well since it is so cheap. But I can't live without my dual-tuner Comcast DVR...

This basically gets you a dual tuner in the panny...i mean...kinda....in a round about way of course!

Thanks housecor for confirming!

Optivity - I'm not really worried about burn in...panny is just covering their butt and i wouldn't be watching split screen all the time normally....just when commercials are on or i want to check something out while watching something else...

Try not to use the split-screen feature too much during the break-in period.

I'm having trouble getting the PD50 remote to operate my Dish 6000 satellite receiver. The remote codes listed in the manual, 105, 115, or 116, don't work. Anyone have this problem and figure out a fix?

Jack

I am new to the world of plasma. I have a 50px50u. It seems most everyone runs thier settings a bit to the dark side. is there a reason for this other than personal prefference? Is it a prevenative measure being taken to avoid screen burn in?

Looking for advice

What many people are after is perfection. There is a perfect picture color, tint, brightness, contrast, color temperature etc., and it is not "VIDID" mode. Do yourself a favor and invest in one of the set up dvd's like Digital Video Essentials or Avia. Set up your display like they say, and no matter how dark and soft you think the picture looks, watch it that way for a month. After a month, set the tv to VIVID mode. Make sure you have a bucket close by before you set it to VIVID because you will likely puke. My point is, once you get used to the way a picture should look, you will never go back to a high contrast, high sharpness look again. Your display will look more perfect.

What many people are after is perfection. There is a perfect picture color, tint, brightness, contrast, color temperature etc., and it is not "VIDID" mode. Do yourself a favor and invest in one of the set up dvd's like Digital Video Essentials or Avia. Set up your display like they say, and no matter how dark and soft you think the picture looks, watch it that way for a month. After a month, set the tv to VIVID mode. Make sure you have a bucket close by before you set it to VIVID because you will likely puke. My point is, once you get used to the way a picture should look, you will never go back to a high contrast, high sharpness look again. Your display will look more perfect.

This couldn't be more true. I've calibrated my RPTV a number of times over the years. The first time I did it, I was extremely uncomfortable with the image because, like everyone, I was conditioned to enjoy the the vivid picture that you always see on poorly adjusted TV's. Now when I see another TV, I can't help but think it looks like crap in comparison.

Do yourself a favor and take Scott's advice, you will thank him later!

Drivie

Yah good info in that thread.. I just got off the phone w/a Panny tech, and its just one of the "gotchas" with the technology... I'm wondering if with age the phosphors will "die" quicker after being excited.. May attribute to some Plasmas on display at stores not exhibiting this detail. Also I swear it gets better the longer the tv is on...
-t

I see this effect on my 42PD50U (the color looks more yellow-brown to me than yellow-green). However, after about 3 months (300+ hours) of using the plasma, this effect appears much less noticeable to me. I seriously doubt that my eye is getting used to it, as I see the DLP "rainbow" very clearly every time I pass by a DLP set.

ok...been a serious lurker for months around here and have been back and forth to stores all around just to figure out which display to get....i am about to pull the trigger on a 500U but have not seen this question or answer anywhere yet:

If I utilize a CableCard from Comcast AND a Moto 64xx DVR via the HDMI input will I be able to utilize the split screen on the 500U with these inputs active?

thanks!
I don't believe that the HDMI or PC input on the PX500 can be displayed in a split screen. If you hook up your DVR via component input, you can view both sources in split screen though.

Right. It's in the manual on page 52.

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/split.JPG

I see this effect on my 42PD50U (the color looks more yellow-brown to me than yellow-green). However, after about 3 months (300+ hours) of using the plasma, this effect appears much less noticeable to me. I seriously doubt that my eye is getting used to it, as I see the DLP "rainbow" very clearly every time I pass by a DLP set.


Aoleg, good to know.. I've got about 35 hours on the tv, but i get to re-start my counter tomorrow when the replacement tv comes.. oh well.. keep me updated if you see it continually get better..

-t

When you watch HDMI source you can press a remote control button 1000 times for split screen. It happens nothing - no reaction!

It will not work! Trust me!

Joshy