And the 42 HD, is, indeed, the "worst buy" by far of the line.
Hey, that's my TV yer talkin' about! Well, it is great for me. Price point is max what we wanted to spend, it's not an EDTV (my preference), and it is a super thin plasma (wife's preference). $4k for the 50 inch was too much and my wife wasn't as big a fan of the Sony 55" LCD as I was. This was a great compromise. I don't regret it a bit.

-p-

Dangit...I bought my 42PD50 from CC back in mid/late June, and I carefully watched all the deals for the next 30 days to see if I could find a lower price...nada...then after my 30 day pricematch window expired, the rebate happened, then this price drop...oh well.Once you buy... don't ever look back... if you think about how cheap leftover PD50U's will be when they start showing up at Sam's Club or BJ's Wholesale Club next year... it will drive you nuts! :eek:

Here's the dilemma. The choice is between Pan 42px50u, and Hitachi 42HDS52. The Hitachi is only 2.5 Benjamins more, but the financing is alot sweeter. What would you guys do?

trust your eyes pick the one that looks the best to you and has the features you need also look at remotes big factor if your married the easier to use the better.

Here's the dilemma. The choice is between Pan 42px50u, and Hitachi 42HDS52. The Hitachi is only 2.5 Benjamins more, but the financing is alot sweeter. What would you guys do?

I'd buy the one with the better picture quality. As a matter of fact, i did :)

What about repair history between the 2 companies?

Question for you guys:

Using a Panny 50pxu50u

1) If I get a progressive dvd player
a)Component (420p)----------> what will be the upconverted signal to the TV? 420p @ 1366x768?


b)DVI or HDMI(720p)-----------> what will be the upconverted signal to the TV?
720p or 1080i @ 1366x768?

2) Is is standard for a (Panny S97 or S77) progressive dvd player to output HDMI signals at 720p

I think the Panny px50u manual says it will upconvert DVI or HDMI 720p signals to 720p or 1080i. Sorry for these basic questions.

2nd2none06,

Once again...it is 480P, not 420P. You appear to ignore replies to you with this correction.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your questions.

A progressive player which is strictly 480P and does not upconvert will deliver 480P to the panel. It does not matter what the native resolution of the panel is. There is no upconversion: the panel displays 480i, 480P, 720P, 1080i depending on input signal.

If however you are speaking of an upconverting player then both component and HDMI/DVI pass the all of the above resolutions to the panel. There is no limitation.

The panel will display the input signal resolution (the player, the tuner, etc.). I am not aware of any upconversion capability in the PX50U. It does scan NTSC as 480P.

[QUOTE=ClarkeBar]2nd2none06,

If however you are speaking of an upconverting player then both component and HDMI/DVI pass the all of the above resolutions to the panel. There is no limitation.
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So it appears all I need is an upconverting player to pass the 480p, 720p, and 1080i to the panel. I take it that you can decide which signal to use in the players (S77 or S97) menu options. Thanks.

You got it. :)

I am using the Oppo but the Pannys you mentioned are fine players.

Just to be clear, no matter what signal you send to your px50u, the displays built-in scaler will scale the image to 1366x768. That is true whether you send it 480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i.

The only reason to buy an upconverting player is if the player can do a better job scaling than the display itself.

The only reason to buy an upconverting player is if the player can do a better job scaling than the display itself.


Correct...but in my experience that is 'usually' the case. Sometimes it's a wash.

Just to be clear, no matter what signal you send to your px50u, the displays built-in scaler will scale the image to 1366x768. That is true whether you send it 480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i.

The only reason to buy an upconverting player is if the player can do a better job scaling than the display itself.

Well I curretly have a non-progressive dvd player (component). When I hit the recall button on the panel is says 480i. Why isn't this 768p if the thats the px50u displays?

If I get a progressive player and then it recall, will it say 768p? or 480p, 720p, 1080i? (based on the component vs HDMI concetions)

Well I curretly have a non-progressive dvd player (component). When I hit the recall button on the panel is says 480i. Why isn't this 768p if the thats the px50u displays?

If I get a progressive player and then it recall, will it say 768p? or 480p, 720p, 1080i? (based on the component vs HDMI concetions)I'm using an inexpensive progressive scan DVD player which is connected to one of the component inputs of my 50PX50U. The TV reports 480p as the incoming signal and the "Color Matrix" option is enabled for both SD/HD formats. DVDs played back on my PX50U look very good, much better than Cable TV SD programs. My question is:

Do upconverting DVD players provide any significant improvement in the picture rendered with source material encoded using 480i resolution, or is this just a lot of hype?

I've got a 50PX500 and the Panny upscaling DVD player S77. Out of the box, the DVD player is set to 480. When you hit recall on the TV, it tells you 480. When you adjust the DVD player ot send out 1080, the TV tells you on recall that its at 1080. This is with an HDMI connectin.

I have not invested in a better HDMI cord - its tough to justify the extra $$ when the S77 comes with one.

The picture when I switch from 480 to 1080 on the first Xmen movie seems to be a bit better, but I'm still in the 100 hour break in period so I've got the screen set pretty dark and have not optimized yet. So its tough to tell.

Everyone seems to say that upscaling is better. I like to think the extra $100 I spent on the DVD player over a regular one is worth it. And the additional cost is marginal compared to the $5k dropped on the TV. But I guess the same can be said for the HDMI cord....

If you're in the market for a DVD player, it may make sense to buy one with upconversion capability. But it sounds like it's not worth replacing a standard 480p player. I'm very interested in buying into HD-DVD or Blu-ray technology when it becomes available but I'm concerned about the "copy protection" issues and their effect when HD-DVD soundtracks are played back using older Dolby Digital receivers.

Well I curretly have a non-progressive dvd player (component). When I hit the recall button on the panel is says 480i. Why isn't this 768p if the thats the px50u displays?

If I get a progressive player and then it recall, will it say 768p? or 480p, 720p, 1080i? (based on the component vs HDMI concetions)
The input signal, that is the signal that your DVD player puts out, that comes across the wire and into the back of the plasma, will be 480i for a non-progressive DVD player.

The TV takes the input signal and works some magic: upconverting / downconverting, 3:2 pulldown, scaling, line doubling, filtering, enhancing, interpolating etc. etc.

The signal always ends up at 1366x768, progressive, because that's the only resolution the panel can display.

The Recall button shows you what the input signal resolution received by the connector on the back of the panel is, before the processing begins. If you had an upconverting DVD player, you'd tell it which of the various formats to output, and the Panny would seamlessly recognize the signal and tell you what it was receiving when you hit Recall.

Does that help clear it up?

Cheers... Perry.

... There is no upconversion: the panel displays 480i, 480P, 720P, 1080i depending on input signal. ... I am not aware of any upconversion capability in the PX50U. It does scan NTSC as 480P.
Actually, the panel displays 1366x768, or 768p if you like, no matter what the resolution of the incoming signal. It has to have a scaler ("upconversion capability") to do this trick. With a 1080i signal, it will deinterlace and downconvert.

As srohde points out, the difference is in the relative quality of the scalers in the panel and dvd player.

Hello all. I just received the Avia calibration DVD for my PX50U, any tips hints or in put on using it?

Thanks PerryU!

Is there any info on scalers installed in the PX50u's?

vs

for ex. the scalers in the s77, s97, & oppo dvd players?

Additional question on Avia; should you be calibrating before or after the 100 hour break in period? Seems like after as I've been trying to keep all my levels at 0 until I hit 100 hours.

Hello all. I just received the Avia calibration DVD for my PX50U, any tips hints or in put on using it?

http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/Video-calibration.html

pgrokkos,

I would break-in the set brfore doing any calibration. I went 200 hours minimum with my set but that's me. Some of the screens can be quite bright and the combination of Menu boxes and test screens can make for some temporary image retention. Let the phosphors settle in.

Well if the PX50u displays everything at 1366x768 or 768p, then I'm going to hold off buying a progressive scan dvd and wait for the xbox 360 (w/progressive scan) and see what dvd video signals can be sent to the display (so far 480p, 720p, and 1080i confirmed for games). Sounds like the PX50u delacer is better than the one in my current dvd player anyway.

Order Comcast Digital HD w/the Motorola DVR box (hopefully the 6412). I going with the HDMI connection for the HB Box to the Plasma, and the component for the DVD to the Plasma. Thanks for the input guys.

if you buy a dvd player with progressive scan and video up-convert via hdmi you should notice a better picture.

The signal always ends up at 1366x768, progressive, because that's the only resolution the panel can display.This is wrong... considering the Color Matrix setting is fixed to SD using 480i component input.

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/color_matrix.JPG

(edit) PerryU is most likely correct and my post is probably wrong.... feature sets/capabilities (e.g. color matrix setting) will vary based on the incoming signal.

I own the TH-50PX50U. Is there a setting that can show how many hours the TV has been on? So I can keep track during the break in period.

Go here:

http://www.glaucobruzzi.com/plasma-faq/index.php?

A gold mine of info.

Or here for the direct route:

http://www.glaucobruzzi.com/plasma-faq/showthread.php?t=81

Remember to bookmark although he thoughtfully provides a link in his Sig when posting here on AVS.

This is wrong... considering the Color Matrix setting is fixed to SD using 480i component input.

Sorry, Op, I don't get your point. AFAIK, The panel by its nature can only physically display a progressive image... that is, all 768 lines drawn in a single frame, and not an interlaced image where one frame displays the odd-numbered lines and the next the even. I believe only the ALIS panels display a sort-of interlaced image.

That's a different issue from the input signal, which can be one of a variety of resolutions including 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i etc. Depending on the input resolution, various kinds of processing occur and different options are available or not, e.g. colour matrix settings and zoom / stretch modes.

According to my (admittedly incomplete) mental schematic, there's an input signal of numerous possible resolutions, a number of processing steps, and the pixels on the panel. Regardless of the input signal the pixels display a 1366x768 progressive image.

You're probably right, I stand corrected.

Once you buy... don't ever look back... if you think about how cheap leftover PD50U's will be when they start showing up at Sam's Club or BJ's Wholesale Club next year... it will drive you nuts! :eek:
Outstanding point. I just bought a 42PD50 at CC (needed to buy there because of a credit for a TV they couldn't fix). I'm sure it'll drop further as the holiday season approaches, but you have to let that sort of thing go.

I look at any extra cost as "rent" for the time I owned it before the price drop.

Oh and btw, I absolutely love this TV. Actually bought it without the wife's involvement -- she's out of town for a couple weeks and the sale at CC ended yesterday -- but I'm confident the WAF on this guy will be through the roof.

(She doesn't care much about digital TV or advanced features...wall mountability, on the other hand, will be a hit.)

On another topic...I've got just a cheap prog. scan DVD player connected via component, and it look stunning. Would there be any benefit to one of the fancier upconvert players w/HDMI? (I figure upconverting in and of itself is somewhat pointless given that this is an ED display.)

--chris

trust your eyes pick the one that looks the best to you and has the features you need also look at remotes big factor if your married the easier to use the better.
I would not make such a decision based on the remote.

No matter what kind of remote my TVs have come with, they all frustrated my wife. She can't handle keeping straight which input is for what, etc.

Originally I got one of those giant Sony brick things, and used macros to set everything up, but if the macro misfired or the remote was angled wrong and things didn't get set right, she'd freak. Many is the Saturday at 7 AM I'd be woken up, with her stating "The stupid thing WON'T WORK!"

Then I bought a Harmony. Since it's activity based, she doesn't have to know about inputs -- she just pushes the button for "Watch TV." If it misfires or is angled wrong, she hits a big yellow HELP button. It then automatically re-sends the input selection to the TV and asks "Did that fix the problem?" If she says no, it then prompts her with several Y/N questions until the problem is resolved.

I've slept late on Saturdays ever since. I don't work for Logitech or have any sort of financial interest in this...I am just telling you that this remote can save a marriage, and I never EVER make electronics purchases based on the included remote anymore as I never use them.

--chris

On another topic...I've got just a cheap prog. scan DVD player connected via component, and it look stunning. Would there be any benefit to one of the fancier upconvert players w/HDMI? (I figure upconverting in and of itself is somewhat pointless given that this is an ED display.)

--chrisUnless you need to buy a DVD player right now, I'd recommend you wait until either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray DVD players are available. From what I've read, upconverting DVD players provide mixed results based on the TV they're used with and I assume, at best, the improvement is marginal. I'm using an inexpensive Philips progressive scan DVD player connected to the component interface of my 50PX50U and I am very impressed with the picture quality being rendered. With the PD50U it's best to dedicate your HDMI connection to the program source you will use most (e.g. CATV-STB).

The best thing about buying a 42PD50U is for what it probably cost, you won't mind hanging it in your bedroom next year to make way for that BIG 65" SED panel you know you really want. :D

Cheer,

I have the Silver Harmony 688. Asked for it last year as a Christmas present but it was really a present for the wife (you know what I mean). Love the darn thing and worth the price just for the insurance it provides. Still waiting on a more developed and comprehensive speech recognition one for her as well. Can't have enough back-up.

I would not make such a decision based on the remote.

No matter what kind of remote my TVs have come with, they all frustrated my wife. She can't handle keeping straight which input is for what, etc.

Originally I got one of those giant Sony brick things, and used macros to set everything up, but if the macro misfired or the remote was angled wrong and things didn't get set right, she'd freak. Many is the Saturday at 7 AM I'd be woken up, with her stating "The stupid thing WON'T WORK!"

Then I bought a Harmony. Since it's activity based, she doesn't have to know about inputs -- she just pushes the button for "Watch TV." If it misfires or is angled wrong, she hits a big yellow HELP button. It then automatically re-sends the input selection to the TV and asks "Did that fix the problem?" If she says no, it then prompts her with several Y/N questions until the problem is resolved.

I've slept late on Saturdays ever since. I don't work for Logitech or have any sort of financial interest in this...I am just telling you that this remote can save a marriage, and I never EVER make electronics purchases based on the included remote anymore as I never use them.

--chris

I purchased one of those Sony Brick Remotes (RM-AV3000) about 2 years ago, and have have been pretty happy w/it. The wife won't go near the thing. For myself, I consider this a positive side effect of owning this remote, but she rarely ever turns on the TV in the morning.

Just did some experimentation with my panny 42" 500U model.
I usually use media center pc connected via pc input at 1024x768.

I tried using a DVI to HDMI cable instead, because I thought the quality may be slightly better. The 1280x720p looks like crap, the text isn't very legible, and I tried 1080i. The 1080i looked pretty good, but SD looked even worse for some reason, and dvds looked approx the same.

After much experiementation, I decided to stick with vga to vga at 1024x768 at 80hz which is the televisions native resolution. Games work best using pc input as well, because for some reason dvi to hdmi doesn't fill the screen at 800x600 or 1024x768. I guess outputting the televisions native resolution does the best job.
I just hope I don't run into any problems down the road using HD (720p/1080i) through the computer.. may be it will downconvert it to 1024x768 automatically?

Oh well..

Mo!

I've been running my HTPC via VGA @ 1024x768/60hz for the last week on my PX500 and PQ is excellent. DVDs looks great via Zoomplayer/Dscaler5/FFDshow and at least match my Panny S77 @720p via HDMI. This morning I did the same as you and tried the DVI->HDMI connection. I got a grainy, rough, fuzzy, and processed result. Really a bummer. I was hoping to see at least equal results since the VGA input doesn't support PBP. So where did you get the info that 80hz is the preferred refresh to send the display? I haven't monkied w/ refresh much yet. I'm hoping a little tweaking can improve the PQ of PC via HDMI, but refresh alone has nothing to do with the ugly results.

Anyone else had good luck with PC input via HDMI?

EDIT - One strange note - I was able to get a display on various resolutions other than just 720p and 1080i. Nice surprise. Too bad it can't compete w/ VGA PQ.

The last page of the manual (english section) has all the available resolutions and refresh rates availalbe by the hdmi, components and pc inputs.

The pc input can go up to I believe 85hz. I actually took it back to 60hz. I noticed that some games had some frame skipping if the desktop frequency wasn't the same.. 60hz works best actually.

As far as the HDMi looking crappy at 72op I am a little concerned. In the future I may need to use that HDMI input for DVD player or cable tv or something. If 720p looks bad with pc source at 720p, I hope movies don't look like crap.

Can someone please verify that with a dvd player using hdmi input at 720p, the picture looks great on the 42" 500U model just to give me peace of mind ?

If anyone is considering the 50u versus 500u, the pc input is great!

Thanks
Mo!

mohanman - Don't worry, everything else connected via HDMI looks excellent, just not PC. I run my Panny S77 DVD via HDMI and the picture is great.

I own a Panny TH-37PX50U as well as a Fujitsu P42HHA40US. I purchased the Oppo DV971H which has worked great. I ended up leaving it hooked up to the Panny.

Several people have asked whether I have seen any evidence of macroblocking, especially on the Panny. I can't say I have, but in the interest of testing the set up, I want to know where to look.

I did read somewhere that the opening scene of Monster's Inc is notorious for showing it. People refer to the wall near the clock. I watched the begining several times. Near the childs bed is a round analog alarm clock. No sign of it there. A few minutes later there is a scene with a digital clock. I didn't see it there either. Am I looking in the right spot?

Are there any other well known scenes where I might look for this? My DVD collection is not too extensive, so the more suggestions of where to look, the better.

I am just trying to help others. I am already convinced that the oppo/panny is a winning combination.

Man,
That new hitachi looks good.. the 42" that everyone is talking about with the powerswivel 1024x1024.
The only thing, I don't think it has pc input, or can display computer games/images.

Since this is a panny forum any thought?

Should I return the 42"500u and get the hitachi, or will the panasonic name serve me well? I mean, I am pretty happy with it.. I think

Aghh

Mo!

Are you kidding me? I would keep the 500U in a heartbeat.

Don't misunderstand...I like Hitachi....so much so the first ED I ordered was the 42EDT41. Sears ran out of them so I had to try again. Would have bought the PD50U but the PQ-features/price ratio didn't cut it when something else turned up for me at BB as a better value.

If going HD this time around however the 500U would be my first choice. The combination of PQ and feature set cannot be beat at its price IMHO...especially after the reductions.

Newegg has the Panasonic TH-50PX500U. I have ordered quite a bit of PC stuff from them in the past, but their return policy on big TV's is a concern.

Just got a 50" Panny 50U that will be delivered tommorrow. I have a Magnavox DVD player, nothing special. I know it has an option for progressive scan, and it has the components output. Do I put progressive scan on, and are Acoustic Research 6 FT componet cables good enough to get the best picture? Thanks for any help.

Poster

Try the interlace mode. Unless you have a top notch dvd player the Panny will probably do a better job upconverting the picture.

Sergio

Poster

Try the interlace mode. Unless you have a top notch dvd player the Panny will probably do a better job upconverting the picture.

Sergio

Thank you Sergio, I will try that.

I'm using an inexpensive Philips progressive scan DVD player connected to the component interface of my 50PX50U and I am very impressed with the picture quality being rendered. With the PD50U it's best to dedicate your HDMI connection to the program source you will use most (e.g. CATV-STB).
Makes sense, although I am still SD on my DTivos. Not quite ready for the investment in an HD-DTivo + HD package, especially as I can't use it for locals yet.

Thanks for the DVD info. I watched the extended edition (with the uber-high bitrate) Return of the King the other night, and it blew me away from my $30 DVD player.

The best thing about buying a 42PD50U is for what it probably cost, you won't mind hanging it in your bedroom next year to make way for that BIG 65" SED panel you know you really want. :D
Yeah, well, I'll need a new house for that first! My family room isn't nearly big enough; I'd be sitting 6-8 feet back from something that big. :(

--chris

Yeah, well, I'll need a new house for that first! My family room isn't nearly big enough; I'd be sitting 6-8 feet back from something that big. :(

--chrisEh... Just move the couch out to your deck! :D

(easy for me to say considering I'm in my 3rd and last house) ;)

I have the Silver Harmony 688. Asked for it last year as a Christmas present but it was really a present for the wife (you know what I mean). Love the darn thing and worth the price just for the insurance it provides.I purchased one of those Sony Brick Remotes (RM-AV3000) about 2 years ago, and have have been pretty happy w/it. The wife won't go near the thing. For myself, I consider this a positive side effect of owning this remote, but she rarely ever turns on the TV in the morning.I hear you both. I guess it's like selecting your new HDTV -- you have to know your environment and factor it in when making a purchase decision.

Though I focused on Saturday mornings, I can tell you that I would get calls or IMs while at work, out at a game, whatever. The peace of mind the Harmony has brought me cannot be overstated.

And best of all (he said, desperately trying to drag his post back on topic), setting it up for my new 42PD50U took about 30 seconds. :)

--chris

Try the interlace mode. Unless you have a top notch dvd player the Panny will probably do a better job upconverting the picture.Now this is terrific advice!

Naturally, it never occured to me. I presumed that since the source was progressive, and the destination was progressive, why would I want to interlace and then deinterlace?

Yet...I noticed last night when watching Empire Strikes Backthat there was a bit of minor "jumpiness" along the very bottom edge of the image. Just now I switched to interlaced on the player and fired it up...rock-solid picture that looks as good (or better) than the prog-scan version.

This defies reason to me -- I don't care how good the scaler in the Panny is, it's axiomatic that deinterlacing/reinterlacing will invariably make an image worse. But it works, and that's what counts.

I suppose my cheapie DVD player just has some bad electronics in it.

--chris

Eh... Just move the couch out to your deck! :DHeh. That'll blow the WAF to smithereens.

Sadly the only real option for a true HT room in the house is the basement which is unfinished except for 1/3 of it which we turned into a darkroom for my wife the photographer. It's also full of stuff -- a good 40% of the remaining space is taken up by my computer and network gear.

I think the thing to do is wait until the kids move out, turn one bedroom into a data room for my crap, turn another into a work room/storage for the other crap, and continue to encourage my wife's migration to digital imaging. May have to pony up for a Nikon D2X to seal that deal, but then the basement is all mine.

Of course, then I have to go through the whole decide-on-a-TV thing again. :)

--chris

Cheer

The interlaced picture comes cleaner to the Panny. It looks like you can even turn down brightness 2 or 3 points and you get a more solid picture without what loooks like edging enhancement when progressive is on.

When I use my HD TIVO I also send the SD source in 480I through HDMI and that's the best setting. It seems that the Panny likes "raw" signal instead of pre-processed one.

I also prefer 1080I instead of 720P to watch HD but the difference is very subtle.

Sergio

Now this is terrific advice!

Naturally, it never occured to me. I presumed that since the source was progressive, and the destination was progressive, why would I want to interlace and then deinterlace?

Yet...I noticed last night when watching Empire Strikes Backthat there was a bit of minor "jumpiness" along the very bottom edge of the image. Just now I switched to interlaced on the player and fired it up...rock-solid picture that looks as good (or better) than the prog-scan version.

This defies reason to me -- I don't care how good the scaler in the Panny is, it's axiomatic that deinterlacing/reinterlacing will invariably make an image worse. But it works, and that's what counts.

I suppose my cheapie DVD player just has some bad electronics in it.

--chris

I wont get my set delivered until tonight, but since you just tried it I will ask you the question. Is interlace a feature on the Panny that you set up. I am sure it's in the direction manual, just curious ahead of time. Thanks much :)!

Another question I have if anyone can explain it to me. What does an HDMI cable do? I have D* and will probably just get the standard HD box with no Tivo. Does this cable go from the HD Box to the Panny TV? It gives you a better signal and picture right? If so any help on what brands are quality? Thanks again everyone! :)

The interlaced picture comes cleaner to the Panny. I believe you, because I see the effects with my own eyes. But this just doesn't make sense to me. The DVD player is taking a film source (of, say, 24 frames/sec) and turning it into roughly 60 fields/sec. Then the TV squishes the 60 fields/sec back into roughly 30 frames/sec. That, logically, should not look better than just taking 24 frames/sec and doing the necessary pulldown to expand it to 30 frames/sec.
When I use my HD TIVO I also send the SD source in 480I through HDMI and that's the best setting.
Now this makes more sense to me, since the SD source is interlaced to begin with. The Panny just turns out to be better at deinterlacing than the DTivo. No surprise there.

Interlacing/deinterlacing is the bane of my existence. I have a lot of stuff that I pulled off my DTivo and plopped on a server in the basement. I then have an Xbox running XBMC, which plays vids off the server. XBMC essentially uses the linux player mplayer to do its output. What makes me nuts is that even though the source vid from the DTivo is interlaced, and the output is interlaced, mplayer thinks it's always used on a PC. So it expects to be playing progressive sources, which then get interlaced for output via the Xbox's video cable. If I want to watch one of my interlaced sources, it has to deinterlace the video and then re-interlace it.

Deinterlacing a source that is interlaced almost always looks like crap. On my pc I've managed to get acceptable (though not very good) results using something like media player classic w/ffdshow where I can tweak the deinterlacing settings, but I'd rather the stupid Xbox just take an interlaced source and output it as such.

Sigh. Rant off.

--chris

I wont get my set delivered until tonight, but since you just tried it I will ask you the question. Is interlace a feature on the Panny that you set up. I am sure it's in the direction manual, just curious ahead of time. Thanks much :)!
Nope, it's automagical. Nothing you need to do.

--chris

Another question I have if anyone can explain it to me. What does an HDMI cable do? I have D* and will probably just get the standard HD box with no Tivo. Does this cable go from the HD Box to the Panny TV? It gives you a better signal and picture right? If so any help on what brands are quality? Thanks again everyone! :)
An HDMI is a direct digital audio/video connection. Any other type (component, S-Video, composite, whatever) is analog, so your digital source (DTV, DVD, etc.) is converted from digital to analog, then converted back to digital information in the TV. HDMI just does straight digital. Presumably this gets you the best quality picture, although as I do not have anything with HDMI output I haven't observed it yet on my ED Panny.

Best to check whether the DTivo HD receiver has HDMI output. Not sure if they all do.

--chris

An HDMI is a direct digital audio/video connection. Any other type (component, S-Video, composite, whatever) is analog, so your digital source (DTV, DVD, etc.) is converted from digital to analog, then converted back to digital information in the TV. HDMI just does straight digital. Presumably this gets you the best quality picture, although as I do not have anything with HDMI output I haven't observed it yet on my ED Panny.

Best to check whether the DTivo HD receiver has HDMI output. Not sure if they all do.

--chrisHDMI provided the best picture when I had an SA8300HD-DVR connected to my 50PX50U --> but CableCARD is even better.

Poster

Try the interlace mode. Unless you have a top notch dvd player the Panny will probably do a better job upconverting the picture.

SergioI've always played DVDs through the component input with the progressive scan feature enabled on the DVD player and the picture rendered looks fabulous. But I'm always up for ways to improve picture quality so I'll give your suggestion a try.

Heh. That'll blow the WAF to smithereens.

Sadly the only real option for a true HT room in the house is the basement which is unfinished except for 1/3 of it which we turned into a darkroom for my wife the photographer. It's also full of stuff -- a good 40% of the remaining space is taken up by my computer and network gear.

I think the thing to do is wait until the kids move out, turn one bedroom into a data room for my crap, turn another into a work room/storage for the other crap, and continue to encourage my wife's migration to digital imaging. May have to pony up for a Nikon D2X to seal that deal, but then the basement is all mine.

Of course, then I have to go through the whole decide-on-a-TV thing again. :)

--chrisBy the time we can afford one of those elusive 65" SED panels... the kids will probably have grandkids of their own... and you know where that leaves us... :eek:

Nope, it's automagical. Nothing you need to do.

--chris

Thanks for the response. :)

An HDMI is a direct digital audio/video connection. Any other type (component, S-Video, composite, whatever) is analog, so your digital source (DTV, DVD, etc.) is converted from digital to analog, then converted back to digital information in the TV. HDMI just does straight digital. Presumably this gets you the best quality picture, although as I do not have anything with HDMI output I haven't observed it yet on my ED Panny.

Best to check whether the DTivo HD receiver has HDMI output. Not sure if they all do.

--chris

Cool thanks again for your help. I will look for a cable.

I've always played DVDs through the component input with the progressive scan feature enabled on the DVD player and the picture rendered looks fabulous. But I'm always up for ways to improve picture quality so I'll give your suggestion a try.

:

Optivity:

The result will depend on the quality of your DVD player. If you follow the 7,899,777,954,925 posts on the Qualia006 thread you can see that for most DVD players the result is better in interlaced mode since the Qualia does a superb job scaling and deinterlacing the signal. There are , however, exceptions: A Pioneer 59AVI will probably do an even better job , according to that board . My experience is only with a cheap DVD player.

Sergio

If you follow the 7,899,777,954,925 posts on the Qualia006 thread...OK. I'll get right on that. ;)

I am taking delivery a 42pd50 this weekend. I'd appreciate if anyone can give me a list of things to check, to make sure the tv has no problem.
tia.

Hey OP, if you're still there, can you comment on the ---"14 bit processing...double the grayscale steps and color depth when feeding the panel with HDMI input"--- claim that we see in the advertising of the PWD/PHD8UK's ? Noone seems to have tested this since there are no HDMI blades available for the commercial panels. What about the Consumer panels such as yours...can you see any difference when you feed yours HDMI? Do you see RAINBOWS of different colors and completely eliminated false contouring???

But this just doesn't make sense to me. The DVD player is taking a film source (of, say, 24 frames/sec) and turning it into roughly 60 fields/sec. Then the TV squishes the 60 fields/sec back into roughly 30 frames/sec.No expert here, cheer, but DVDs are not film at 24fps; they're 480i (at 60fps, afaik). Non-progressive DVD players don't even have a de-interlacer; they're passing the source material through as it comes off the disk.

So that may explain why sending 480i and letting the Panny do the dirty work results in a better picture, especially with cheaper players with low-quality processing.

At least, that's my understanding; as I said at the outset I'm no expert.

Cheers, cheer... Perry.

i've searched this thread and the forum and can't find a clear answer...

so, i have the 42PD50U edtv and just got the D* HDTV hooked up, but am wondering what the feed (resolution?) from the D* stb to my plasma should be?

my stb allows for all kinds, i.e. 480i; 480p; 780i; 480p-1080i,... and also ALL. this last choice of ALL allows me to also set it at NATIVE, as well - the others won't.

which of these should i be using? is there a difference because i have edtv???

Unless you need to buy a DVD player right now, I'd recommend you wait until either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray DVD players are available.
I disagree. I already had a DVD player, but bought a Denon (729? $600+ at any rate) DVD player. Makes a big difference.

You don't just save money by deferring buying until blu-ray/hd-dvd are out, you defer enjoyment. And we still don't know when they'll be out and for how much. So it might be a quite-long delay. Amortized over the time, the $1/day might be worth it.

I bought my 37PX50 a month ago. Cost me $300 due to the recent price break. That's steep, but $10/day? Alright, I've certainly enjoyed the HDTV quite a bit in that time. Should I have waited a month, that might have turned into six months? And what about next year's price breaks? It would never end.

I disagree. I already had a DVD player, but bought a Denon (729? $600+ at any rate) DVD player. Makes a big difference.

You don't just save money by deferring buying until blu-ray/hd-dvd are out, you defer enjoyment. And we still don't know when they'll be out and for how much. So it might be a quite-long delay. Amortized over the time, the $1/day might be worth it.


I agree. I am getting one of the new upscaling DVD players which are not really that expensive anyway. At first I was like "maybe I should wait for the new HD or Blu-rays to get to market". Then I thought about it and I doubt the new players are gonna make my old DVD's look any better and if the upscalers work well then I will probably continue to use it for my old discs when I go to a new format.

-Jerry C.

Hey OP, if you're still there, can you comment on the ---"14 bit processing...double the grayscale steps and color depth when feeding the panel with HDMI input"--- claim that we see in the advertising of the PWD/PHD8UK's ? Noone seems to have tested this since there are no HDMI blades available for the commercial panels. What about the Consumer panels such as yours...can you see any difference when you feed yours HDMI? Do you see RAINBOWS of different colors and completely eliminated false contouring???I have not seen the dreaded RBE effect or false contouring since getting rid of my STB and using the CableCARD. Given this setup:

CATV STB--> HDMI --> 8UK (or) CATV STB --> HDMI --> PX50/500U

I'd say the 8UKs would render a better picture with: "14 bit processing...double the grayscale steps and color depth." Unfortunately these panels are not DCR devices and you will have to wait until next year for one with this much processing power and number of grayscale steps.

I would be interested to compare the performance of the commercial 8UKs and consumer PX50/500Us under these conditions:

CATV STB--> HDMI --> 8UK (or) CableCARD --> PX50/500U

I wonder if the superior processing power and number of grayscale steps of the 8UKs would render a better picture than the PX50/500Us can with CableCARD technology?

Since when have the prices dropped on Panny's? Saw the 42Px500U for the price of a 42Px50u.

Unfortunately these panels are not DCR devices and you will have to wait until next year for one with this much processing power and number of grayscale steps.




What does DCR mean?

I noticed the increased processing power on the commercial model and am looking really hard at this. My problem with the 50PX50U was noise in the background and dark areas, so-called "dithering" according to what I've read. This is reportedly due to the digital control of brightness with plasma (as opposed to analog control with LCD). With higher-bit processing, this should be reduced through digital interpolation even if the source remains 8 bit.

Since the 14 bit processing is only available through HDMI/DVI, I'd need to get two DVI input boards (don't have HDMI sources yet). Has it been confirmed that Panny's DVI boards are based on the Video standard for black or are they PC standard?

Since when have the prices dropped on Panny's? Saw the 42Px500U for the price of a 42Px50u.

Just occurred, end of Aug.

MSRP $500 reduction for 37" and all 42"

MSRP $1000 reduction for all 50"

Discounts from there...who knows where the bottom will stabilize? Competition is sweet.

bought my 50px50u today woohoo!


http://s4m.us/uploads/5b42d1f90a.jpg (http://s4m.us)

If they'd just get rid of that godawful silver I might have my almost perfect TV. I love the new 1080 DLP's but can't adjust my environment to handle the poor horizontal viewing angle. I enjoy watching programing in darkness so LCD's blacks just don't cut it so that leaves plasma, which has been just too damn expensive ( I'm a cheap bastard). Do yo think panny will go to a beautiful black frame anytime in the near future?

The commercial models have as minimal a black frame as you can get with potentially better PQ with more tweak-ability and better video processors for less money.

-Jerry C.

Add in cost of blades/tuners it starts to even out but this would be the "everyday" TV as well as the home theater so listening to local news in 5.1 doesn't do a lot for me. At this point I have a 32' RCA crt tube which has better blacks than almost anything out there, a more than adequete speaker setup for news/talk AND everytime I hit the little button, it comes on. BTW haven't checked, have commercial panny's experienced the same mfr price drop? I think I remember reading that there will be another price drop come November, any inklings on what magnitude or are they just trying to spook their competitors? It's a good time to be sitting on the sidelines, it just seems to get better.

Yes the 50" I just ordered is MSRP'd at the same $3999 as the consumer 50" PX50 and forum sponsors have it for far far below that already so I would say they are still cheaper than what you can get a consumer model, even with the blades added in. If you don't care about the stand and or speakers being built in, the commercial models do actually have a built in amp for stereo speakers so you can add some cheap bookshelf's if you want something not to have to fire up the whole audio rack just to watch TV, the seem like a good deal. The only downside IMHO is the warranty is carry-in instead of in-home like the consumer models. I don't hate the bezel on the consumer models but I do prefer the minimal look of the commercial.

-Jerry C.

You forgot the tuner! I live in an area with quite a bit of OTA HD content (Indy! the only one) so an OTA tuner is a must, I already have 5.1 peaker system so adding more speakers just adds clutter, not the look I'm going for. Any word on the 9 series?

What does DCR mean?Digital Cable Ready

"Plug-and-play TV:

A standard for digital TVs from the FCC. Introduced in 2003, it enables a digital TV to plug directly into the cable outlet and receive both analog and digital signals without a set-top box. Encrypted signals for premium services are decoded by inserting a CableCARD from the cable company. The first phase of plug-and-play TV is for one-way transmission to the TV. The second phase adds two-way transmission for video on demand and other interactive services. "Digital Cable Ready" means plug-and-play capability."

Soon retail DCR HD-DVRs will be available offering consumers additional choices.

Guys after watching my TV last night, I noticed that for example ESPN News has the side bars and ESPN and ESPN2 do not. In fact it seems like only ESPN News has it like that throughout my channels. I am in Just mode I believe. Is ESPN News not in widescreen format? I have a 50" 50U. Thanks!

"poster", You are correct, ESPN News is SDTV, 4:3. However if you're in "just" mode you shouldn't have any bars. "Just" does a stretch/zoom combo to fill the screen if I'm not mistaken.

Guys after watching my TV last night, I noticed that for example ESPN News has the side bars and ESPN and ESPN2 do not. In fact it seems like only ESPN News has it like that throughout my channels. I am in Just mode I believe. Is ESPN News not in widescreen format? I have a 50" 50U. Thanks!

Assuming you're watching all of these at 480p or 480i, it may be you're
in "auto" in which case the set will not recognize the 4:3 mode occasionally especially with scrolling underneath the screen and therefor will not stretch it. This is mentioned in the manual if I recall correctly.

If you're watching at 720p or 1080i, the set defaults to "full" and no other adjustments are available.

Thanks for the input scottro & cpcat. I just got my set yesterday so I do not have HD yet. D* can't come until the 17th :( . I am at work now so I can't fudge with it, but will try the suggestions. One thing I am unsure of yet as I only got through page 10 of the manual, is how do you know what I am in in regards to 480i or 780i? I know if I hit recall, it brings the channel up and it says 480i. Sorry if this is obvious, when you get something new you want to get a handle on it without worring. Thanks for the help!

Thanks for your response OPTIVITY...it sounds like what you are saying is that the consumer models don't claim to have the 14-bit processing and extra grayscale steps through HDMI that the 8UK's claim. For some reason I thought that they did. Anyway, it's frustrating to me that none of the professional guru's have evaluated the latest Panny's to see if the increased processing power has eliminated false contouring, banding, clayface, etc.

Well the 50px50u is here and is monsterous! I luv it! Upgraded from the 42" after the price cuts...a difference on $300!!!!!!! (within my 30 day CC purchase) woot!

Digital HD will installed on 9/7; going with the DVR box first.

Thanks for your response OPTIVITY...it sounds like what you are saying is that the consumer models don't claim to have the 14-bit processing and extra grayscale steps through HDMI that the 8UK's claim. For some reason I thought that they did. Anyway, it's frustrating to me that none of the professional guru's have evaluated the latest Panny's to see if the increased processing power has eliminated false contouring, banding, clayface, etc.Your observation may be correct since both series show the same specefications for shades of gradation and number of displayable colors. Perhaps the only thing which separates the two is the sales lingo being used. With their enormous investment in plant & equipment and competition for sales it seems PDP makers would try to maximize their economies of scale which is best achieved using the same components for all makes/models of plasma TV/monitors and then changing some minor cosmetic/features to be marketed for each target group.

Well the 50px50u is here and is monsterous! Unfortunately, all too soon you will experience the incredible shrinkage phenomena. :D

"poster", You are correct, ESPN News is SDTV, 4:3. However if you're in "just" mode you shouldn't have any bars. "Just" does a stretch/zoom combo to fill the screen if I'm not mistaken.

I tried Just mode and it still has bars, somehow last night I got it to display full screen, but right now its not. Just wondering if there is a way around it. Thanks for your help!

Thanks for your response OPTIVITY...it sounds like what you are saying is that the consumer models don't claim to have the 14-bit processing and extra grayscale steps through HDMI that the 8UK's claim.

The Consumer Models also use 14-bit processing but no extra shades.



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The Consumer Models also use 14-bit processing but no extra shades.



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That doesn't make sense. The extra steps are due to the higher-bit processing.

So which PDP will render a better picture, an 8UK with HDMI to an STB or a PX50/500U using CableCARD?

Hello everyone,
I've tried searching and posting a couple of times for the default service menu settings on a 42px500u to no avail. I think I might have changed something on mine by accident. I'm posting what my settings are currently in the hopes of finding someone kind enough with a 42px500u to verify my settings. If anybody needs help on navigating the service menu, Please let me know. I have the service manual. Here are the settings that I can see on my set's service menu. If anybody has different values or extra settings please let me know. Thanks in advance.
Jules.


pct-adj Picture
AGC
OFF
Gain
200
YMAX
000


COLOR
30
TINT
05
S-BRT
80-A
RFAGC1
74
AGC-ADJ1
FIX
RFAGC2
74
AGC-ADJ2
FIX

OPTION BOOT-ROM
0000:00
MN102H90MTZ1: --
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RM-SET CODE
A

STB-CAS

So which PDP will render a better picture, an 8UK with HDMI to an STB or a PX50/500U using CableCARD?
:eek: :eek: :eek:
Who are you, and what have you done with optivity???

...or was that a subtle, rhetorical question? In which case...

Who are you, and what have you done with optivity???

:D

Some of you have talked about the deinterlacing on the Pannys. But ...

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=240019&highlight=panasonic

"No Reverse 3:2 Pulldown in Panasonic Plasma!"

So now I'm confused. ??

Granted that 90% say the Pany has no 3:2 look at this.

CNET Review page 4 (http://reviews.cnet.com/Panasonic_TH_42PX50U/4505-6482_7-31349719-5.html?tag=top)

Like the person from homethreater says "3:2 pulldown in a $40 dvd player and not in a plasma?"

And to many people say they get a better picture by letting the plasma deinterlace (and do 3:2 pulldown) than having the dvd player do it.

I have to believe it does have 3:2 built in.

The Consumer Models also use 14-bit processing but no extra shades.

That doesn't make sense. The extra steps are due to the higher-bit processing.

The 2048 steps advertised for the consumer model equals 11 bit accuracy. (2 raised to the 11th power). The commercial model's 4096 steps equals 12 bits.

The 14 bit processing probably refers to the accuracy of the arithmetic calculations performed by the video filters and decoders. You need more bits in the arithmetic than in the input and output because you lose precision whenever you do addition and subtraction.

I posted some screenshots of my TH42PD50 in action to my gallery if anyone wants to check it out...any suggestions calibration wise would be appreciated if something looks "off".

scottro's gallery (http://gallery.avsforum.com/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/7463525)

I feel pretty dumb, but I have no idea how to insert a picture in the body of a post.
Can somebody give me a quick rundown? Forum FAQ wasn't much help.

Finally went ahead and bought the th50PX50u today. I was really stuck between the 50, the 500, and 8UK, but in case this helps anyone still riding the fence, here's how I broke the deadlock:

1) I want to wall-mount the TV, and I think the 500U would look bad (stick out too far) because of the bulge. Also, I didn't think I'd use the card reader or PC hookup and I bought a Yamaha YSP-1 for sound.

2) I was REAL close to buying the 8UK but I really want to try the cablecard and I didn't want to buy the "old" TY-FB7HM model HDMI blade and I couldn't find anyone who knew anything about the new 8HM blade. Would have to buy mail order and warranty is not in-home. Also, this set is out of stock everywhere currently.

3) The 50U is slim, it has a cablecard slot, it has speakers for when I upgrade and move it to some other room, it's selling fairly far below MSRP, and it was in stock (receiving wednesday) from local B&M with 30 day no questions return/exchange policy (but not CC). The YSP-1 will actually look very nice right below this set since it's silver with black edges.

Now I'll just watch carefully for price drops for the next 30 days and then NEVER CHECK AGAIN (yeah, right).

Now to get my Panny DVD-S97 player. Anyone know how long the included HDMI cable is with this player?

Thanks to everyone.

Jim

Finally went ahead and bought the th50PX50u today...

I was REAL close to buying the 8UK but I really want to try the cablecard...

The 50U is slim, it has a cablecard slot, it has speakers for when I upgrade and move it to some other roomExcellent choice. Home electronics have gone the way of the PC and I suspect once SED panels are widely available we will all have a bad case of upgraditis! With a CableCARD you will see a better picture now & be able to move your TV to another room later without having to supply a separate sound system or cable provider's STB. ;)

Jim,

The HDMI cable included with the S97 DVD player is 6ft long. That's what I use connect the S97 to my 42PX20 plasma. There are a lot of info on this player in the DVD Forum.

Knievel- Because CNET references getting into the service menu to correct things, I suppose I can assume that they *do* know what they are talking about. :) Thanks. I wonder why Panasonic doesn't mention this on their web site? I'm now also wondering if this might be a difference between ED and HD sets? Pro and consumer sets?

I am about to pull the trigger on the px500 and I have a question about the pc input. I have an RCA DTC-100 as my HD receiver. Its HD output is VGA. I am currently using a VGA>Component adapter to hook it up to my Mitsbushshi HD CRT. I plan on chucking the adapter when the panny arrives, but will I run into any problems using the pc input for my DTC-100? Does this input have the same flexibility as far as picture adjustments, etc that the other inputs have?

BTW I need the component inputs for my JVC DVHs and XBox and the HDMI input for my DVD player.

thanks

Panasonic at Good Guys

Everyone here talks aboit BB and CC. Now GG carries the Panasonic plasmas and they have the 37PX50U for the price of the 42PD50U.

Just purchased 42px50u. I use DVD's regularly and will be getting PVR from comcast (motorola dct6412).

Since there is only 1 hdmi slot and I do not want to buy a switch for that, I'm thinking of:

1) use the hdmi slot for cable
2) get a samsung hd941 and use the hack to do the upconvert through component.

Any other ideas on what would be a better option to maximize PQ with both cable(PVR) and DVD?

Thanks

Any progressive scan dvd player will render a very satisfactory picture using the TV's component input. There is no real need to up-convert 480 lines of resolution.

I am about to pull the trigger on the px500 and I have a question about the pc input. I have an RCA DTC-100 as my HD receiver. Its HD output is VGA. I am currently using a VGA>Component adapter to hook it up to my Mitsbushshi HD CRT. I plan on chucking the adapter when the panny arrives, but will I run into any problems using the pc input for my DTC-100? Does this input have the same flexibility as far as picture adjustments, etc that the other inputs have?

BTW I need the component inputs for my JVC DVHs and XBox and the HDMI input for my DVD player.

thanks
I'm not at home at the moment, but if I remember correctly, the VGA input on the PX500 has VERY limited adjustability. I would not suggest using the VGA input for primary HD viewing.

I just got my 42pd50u and I have read that it's internal tuner will pull down some HD channels for me from Comcast even though I don't have a digital package currently. True?

True, if they're broadcasting the HD's that you would be getting over-the-air for free like they're supposed to be. Screw the cable into the set and do a cable channel scan.

True, if they're broadcasting the HD's that you would be getting over-the-air for free like they're supposed to be. Screw the cable into the set and do a cable channel scan.
Awesome, if I can get "Lost" in HD before the new season starts, my wife and I will be beyond thrilled.

True, if they're broadcasting the HD's that you would be getting over-the-air for free like they're supposed to be. Screw the cable into the set and do a cable channel scan.

Does this work for satelite too. I can't get my D* hooked up until the 17th so I have normal D* service. I would just need to do a scan? Just got my TV last week and am not aware of this. Any help would be great. Thanks!

I just got my 42pd50u and I have read that it's internal tuner will pull down some HD channels for me from Comcast even though I don't have a digital package currently. True?

If they offer the local big network channels at no extra cost then the TV should scan them in even though you don't have a digital package. I have digital and an HD package with an HD DVR and HD STB, but for the heck of it i scanned the "analog" channels into my PX50 directly from the wall (no cable card and no digital box) and i get CBS-DT, NBC-DT, ABC-DT, FOX-DT, KCET-DT, TNT-HD, and Discover-HD through the TV's tuner. They have weird channel assignments that make no sense so you should probably save them as Favorites so you can find them easily. Mine are a PITA.

EDIT - come to think of it i'm mistaken about TNT-HD and DISC-HD; they are part of the regular digital package but i forgot that i can only get them through my cable HD STB, NOT through the TV's tuner. I only get the local broadcast networks with the TV's tuner.

Also, different cable companies have different policies on what HD channels they give you through the wall. And some cable companies (like Comcast where my mom lives) you can't get anything directly from the wall - you HAVE to rent their cable box even if you just have basic analog service.

If they offer the local big network channels at no extra cost then the TV should scan them in even though you don't have a digital package. I have digital and an HD package with an HD DVR and HD STB, but for the heck of it i scanned the "analog" channels into my PX50 directly from the wall (no cable card and no digital box) and i get CBS-DT, NBC-DT, ABC-DT, FOX-DT, KCET-DT, TNT-HD, and Discover-HD through the TV's tuner. They have weird channel assignments that make no sense so you should probably save them as Favorites so you can find them easily. Mine are a PITA.
More good information, thanks.

Which DVD player do you guys recommend for my new display? I have read so much about the EDTV looking great with a progressive player but I am not sure what player to try first. I am still using a 1st gen DVD player if you can believe that.

Does this work for satelite too. I can't get my D* hooked up until the 17th so I have normal D* service. I would just need to do a scan? Just got my TV last week and am not aware of this. Any help would be great. Thanks!


No, the TV doesn't have a satellite tuner.

No, the TV doesn't have a satellite tuner.

Bummer, thanks for the reply :)

More good information, thanks.

Which DVD player do you guys recommend for my new display? I have read so much about the EDTV looking great with a progressive player but I am not sure what player to try first. I am still using a 1st gen DVD player if you can believe that.

I was mistaken about TNT-HD and DISC-HD; they're not included in my basic package with TWC. I've edited my post above. Sorry.

I'm not at home at the moment, but if I remember correctly, the VGA input on the PX500 has VERY limited adjustability. I would not suggest using the VGA input for primary HD viewing.

I was afraid that this might be true. I guess I will have to get a component switcher or upgrade to an AVR that has component switching.

thanks for the reply.

If they offer the local big network channels at no extra cost then the TV should scan them in even though you don't have a digital package. I have digital and an HD package with an HD DVR and HD STB, but for the heck of it i scanned the "analog" channels into my PX50 directly from the wall (no cable card and no digital box) and i get CBS-DT, NBC-DT, ABC-DT, FOX-DT, KCET-DT, TNT-HD, and Discover-HD through the TV's tuner. They have weird channel assignments that make no sense so you should probably save them as Favorites so you can find them easily. Mine are a PITA.

EDIT - come to think of it i'm mistaken about TNT-HD and DISC-HD; they are part of the regular digital package but i forgot that i can only get them through my cable HD STB, NOT through the TV's tuner. I only get the local broadcast networks with the TV's tuner.

Also, different cable companies have different policies on what HD channels they give you through the wall. And some cable companies (like Comcast where my mom lives) you can't get anything directly from the wall - you HAVE to rent their cable box even if you just have basic analog service.

I always thought the cableco's were mandated to give you the digitals of the OTA networks "in the clear QAM", unencrypted...maybe not. At least Comcast in my area does. I pick up some other stuff as well as the analogs and broadcast HD's, like the audio portion of the digital music channels, and some other various programming. Nothing of any importance.

Folks,

Some of you might recall that my fiancee and I had some difficulty with 42PX50Us from CCity over the past few weeks.

We originally described to you lines appearing in the middle of our PDPs which highlighted the interface between the two panels comprising the imaging area of the PDP (since all non-prototype PDPs, to my knowledge, remain dual drive units). One unit was built in Japan, while one unit was built in Mexico. Both were delivered to our residence using less than "white glove" means (CC contracted local deliverers in the Arlington, VA area). After trying a third 42" PX model in the store before having it delivered, and seeing the same line, we swore off of Panasonic models (at least the 42" panels).

While we waited to make a decision on what unit to purchase (our minds all the while creating substitutions from smaller LCD panels to tide us over for some months to an LCD+projector combination for dual duty to even *no* panel for the time being) we watched the substantial price drops.

We decided to give the 50PX50U a try and, after getting a price match to CC's by BB - and then some additional money off after describing the troubles we experienced at CC (they seemed quite happy that we switched "sides") - we eagerly awaited our 50" on Sunday.

We met one delivery agent downstairs and proceded to his truck, but there was no second agent! The agent, who spoke no English (evident when we couldn't get him to stop trying to get the PDP off of a RCA Scenium on which it sat), ultimately dropped the 50PX first onto a box near the Scenium, and then onto the floor - resulting in the kind of crash that would generally cause folks to wonder if there'd just been a moderate auto accident a few vehicles away from you! When the second agent arrived (from out of our apt building's neighborhood store, no less), he didn't want to believe that the PDP had been dropped! We ultimately did not accept the set...

To make a long story short, we were sent a replacement on Labor Day, and the folks who delivered it were absolutely top notch - par for the course after calling every BB rep we could who was connected with the delivery. With a nearly white glove delivery and setup - and heretofore unexperienced kindness upon departure - we are proud to report, that after 5 units, the fifth (a 50PX50U) was a charm.

It's as gorgeous, brilliant, crisp, and exquisite as we expected (at least with the settings dumbed down so as to most efficiently work through the 100+ hour period during a loop of Fleetwood Mac's "Rhiannan" in concert).

The thanks: to all who urged us to try again, especially since we weren't paying for multiple pickups and deliveries; to local (and forum!) friends who made us chuckle, especially after the third and (ghasp!) fourth sets; to BB, for holding a grudge against CC and giving us the CC price plus some extra savings; to M. Lynch Signature Rewards, which ultimately took the BB price of this 50" into "obscenely cheap" territory; and, finally, to Panasonic, for not letting us down with a gorgeous set.

The moral: My folks were set to order a commercial 50" online, and now they won't be doing so. After having this much trouble with ones delivered to us from stores literally not 3 miles away, I am happy to have bought from a local B&M. Had we bought online and experienced even the first problem, I predict we'd have not accepted a replacement.

Thanks, all.

Also, different cable companies have different policies on what HD channels they give you through the wall. And some cable companies (like Comcast where my mom lives) you can't get anything directly from the wall - you HAVE to rent their cable box even if you just have basic analog service.

Hmm, I hope I don't have to rent a box. I just spoke with a friend and he thinks that I will still need an OTA to get any HD channels. I hope he is incorrect.

Anyone know on my above comment?

Anyone know on my above comment?

The "different cable companies vary" comment is accurate. Typically with a QAM tuner and coax connected to the digital input you will have the broadcast stations in HD and little else in the way of unencrypted digital channels. But this is at the discretion of the particular cable headend you are connected to.

The "different cable companies vary" comment is accurate. Typically with a QAM tuner and coax connected to the digital input you will have the broadcast stations in HD and little else in the way of unencrypted digital channels. But this is at the discretion of the particular cable headend you are connected to.
Thanks Marty. My plasma will be in on Friday so that will be the true test.

I am hopeful that I pick up at least a few quality HD channels for football/Lost.

I sure am looking forward to season 2 of Lost beginning September 21st. :)

Now, the NY Football Giants... that's another story! :rolleyes:

I sure am looking forward to season 2 of Lost beginning September 21st. :)

Now, the NY Football Giants... that's another story! :rolleyes:
Of course! Just picked up Season 1 on DVD yesterday (too bad I can't figure out which new DVD player I need for my plasma)
Do you know if Nip/Tuck is in HD?

I have a favor to ask from somone here, can anyone tell me the dimensions of the 42PD50U's box? I need to figure out if I can fit it in my car, haha.

A question about doing a channel scan for the 42PD50U. I am using the QAM tuner to pick up analog and HD channels from Comcast. If I do a auto channel scan (for digital and analog) would it wipe out my "favorites" and channel labels (PBS, ABC, NBC labels) I have tediously set up previously? I want to know if my Comcast has added any new HD channels but I hate the idea of having to setup my "favorites" and labels all over again. Thanks.

For those interested, a link to Panasonic's Firmware Downloads (http://www.pasctraining.panasonic.com/SpecialApplications/ProductFirmwareDownloads/downloads1.asp) for the PX50/500Us and other assorted models.

Caution though on the firmware upgrades. You need to ensure that you use the SD formatting software which they provide the link for (using you o/s to format can cause problems for the tv) and that you do not have a more recent version in your TV already (I was told that installing an older firmware could really mess things up). By holding down the vol+ on both the remote and tv for 10 secs should bring you to a status screen. The version is in the top right corner. My 50px500U came with 1.60. My TVGOS works fine now since the upgrade to 1.62 last night.

Is there a way to upgrade firmware on non-SD card PDPs?

Of course! Just picked up Season 1 on DVD yesterday (too bad I can't figure out which new DVD player I need for my plasma)
Do you know if Nip/Tuck is in HD?

I have a favor to ask from somone here, can anyone tell me the dimensions of the 42PD50U's box? I need to figure out if I can fit it in my car, haha.

No Nip/Tuck in HD...
An FX HD channel is at the very top of my wish list, with FX's outstanding originals like The Shield, Rescue Me, N/T. I'm not holding my breath.

Unless you have a pickup...you're going to have a tough time getting the box in pretty much any car. I don't know the dimensions other than "pretty f*&*ing big".

Not that I'm aware of. If your model is listed you should be able to some how. I know my TV has inputs in the back that are used for servicing. If yours has such, a tech may be able to do it for you if you are having problems. This version fixes a bug that caused my Motorola cablecard to conflcit with TVGOS.

Is there a way to upgrade firmware on non-SD card PDPs?The PX50Us have an:

"SD card slot located behind the CableCARD slot."

PX50U owners are best off to contact Panasonic Customer Support to request an SD Card that contains the firmware upgrade.

The PX50Us have an:

"SD card slot located behind the CableCARD slot."

PX50U owners are best off to contact Panasonic Customer Support to request an SD Card that contains the firmware upgrade.

I agree. I'm just not a fan of waiting for snail mail.

So where does one buy the media & a PC compatible device to format & download the firmware to it?

So where does one buy the media & a PC compatible device to format & download the firmware to it?

BB, CC and pretty much any electronics or camera store. I used the card reader which was built into my printer to format it. You can also buy cheap stand alone usb cardreaders for your pc for 10 bucks.

No Nip/Tuck in HD...
An FX HD channel is at the very top of my wish list, with FX's outstanding originals like The Shield, Rescue Me, N/T. I'm not holding my breath.

Unless you have a pickup...you're going to have a tough time getting the box in pretty much any car. I don't know the dimensions other than "pretty f*&*ing big".

The N/T DVD should look almost as good as HD, if it is widescreen.

BB, CC and pretty much any electronics or camera store. I used the card reader which was built into my printer to format it. You can also buy cheap stand alone usb cardreaders for your pc for 10 bucks.Dude... I guess I'm seriously out of touch... :rolleyes:

Like this?

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/sd_card_reader.JPG

Isn't it amazing the things we learn in the AVSF? :)

I have a favor to ask from somone here, can anyone tell me the dimensions of the 42PD50U's box? I need to figure out if I can fit it in my car, haha.

Same as the box for the 42PX50U: 50" long x 21" wide x 37" tall.

I'm pretty sure it won't fit in a car . . . . .

Not that I'm aware of. If your model is listed you should be able to some how. I know my TV has inputs in the back that are used for servicing. If yours has such, a tech may be able to do it for you if you are having problems. This version fixes a bug that caused my Motorola cablecard to conflcit with TVGOS.

Does the firmware upgrade change the settings back to the factory defaults?

Same as the box for the 42PX50U: 50" long x 21" wide x 37" tall.

I'm pretty sure it won't fit in a car . . . . .
...except maybe lying down if you have a wide trunk and back seat that flips down. If that's what you're thinking of doing, it's a very very bad idea to transport a plasma lying down.

I bought my 42PD50U from CC and that big box wouldn't even fit in my SUV (Toyota 4Runner). The CC guys took it out of the box, stood it up on my back seat (screen facing seat back) and secured it in place with the seat belts by tying them together in the middle so they made a X across the screen. They've obviously done this many times and it was actually very secure on the short ride home (>10 miles). Saved me from having to dispose of that huge box!

Does the firmware upgrade change the settings back to the factory defaults?

Yes, I believe it did.

Dude... I guess I'm seriously out of touch... :rolleyes:

Like this?

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/sd_card_reader.JPG

Isn't it amazing the things we learn in the AVSF? :)

Yup. That'll do the trick.

Panasonic instructs the user to turn the TV on before inserting the SD card into the slot. After the SD download is complete the user is instructed to:

(1) Please remove the SD card from the TV.
(2) Please disconnect the power cable from the wall outlet.
(3) Please reconnect the power cable to the wall outlet.

Shouldn't the TV be powered off before disconnecting the power cable from the wall outlet?

Caution though on the firmware upgrades. You need to ensure that you use the SD formatting software which they provide the link for (using you o/s to format can cause problems for the tv) and that you do not have a more recent version in your TV already (I was told that installing an older firmware could really mess things up). By holding down the vol+ on both the remote and tv for 10 secs should bring you to a status screen. The version is in the top right corner. My 50px500U came with 1.60. My TVGOS works fine now since the upgrade to 1.62 last night.

I assume this has to be done with the TV off?

I assume this has to be done with the TV off?Nope. The instructions say:

"While the TV is ON, insert the SD card into the SD card slot located behind the CableCARD slot. Make sure the back of the SD card (with the gold receptors) is facing you."

I have acquired the materials necessary to perform the firmware upgrade to my 50PX50U. Before I attempt this can anyone provide more specific details regarding what the firmware upgrade fixes? All Panasonic says is:

"Digital Tuner Firmware (version 1.24)

- CableCARD firmware upgrade message with SA CableCARD

- Blank picture or frozen image after the TV is switched-on when viewing premium channels with Motorola CableCARD"

I'm not sure if these bug fixes justify even attempting the upgrade?

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant the TV has to be turned off to pull up the firmware version by holding down the Vol + button down for 10 seconds. I did it with the tv off and on. Nothing when off and turned up the volume when on.

Just got my 42px50u yesterday and had the DirecTV guys out today to hook up the DirecTV HD-DVR 10-250. Very pleased with the HD channels but, as everyone seems to say, the SD channels are less than impressive.

I want to break-in my TV properly so I need to stretch SD content to fill the screen, right? But with my DirecTV DVR set to 720p and utilizing HDMI, I cannot access the aspect ratio function even if a SD channel is selected. Is this normal?

If I reset my set top box to 480p, then I can stretch or zoom SD content. But if you do that, your stuck receiving a 480p signal and you lose the benefits of the HD channels.

Does that mean I am supposed to get off the couch and switch my set top box to 480p when I want to watch SD content and then get back up and switch it to 720p if I want to watch an HD channel?

Isn't there a way to set the settop box to 720p and set up the TV so that it will automatically display HD channels in 16:9 HD and display the SD channels in zoom or just mode?

I would just like to be able to pre-configure the TV so that it always displays SD channels in zoom or just mode - can that be done?

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant the TV has to be turned off to pull up the firmware version by holding down the Vol + button down for 10 seconds. I did it with the tv off and on. Nothing when off and turned up the volume when on.I've got the firmware downloaded to a formatted SD Memory Card:

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/properties.JPG

But I'd like some input from the resident guru's before I attempt the upgrade.

Unless you have a pickup...you're going to have a tough time getting the box in pretty much any car. I don't know the dimensions other than "pretty f*&*ing big".

Just got a 42PD50 tonight from CC. It fit in my Honda Element just fine. There are room to spare as well. :)

BTW, so far, right out of the box, the PQ of 42PD50 looks quite disappointing compare to the 42" 6UY that I got last year...

Does that mean I am supposed to get off the couch and switch my set top box to 480p when I want to watch SD content and then get back up and switch it to 720p if I want to watch an HD channel

Use your DVR's remote, pushing up on the big round button let you change between 420i/420p/720p/1080i

Isn't there a way to set the settop box to 720p and set up the TV so that it will automatically display HD channels in 16:9 HD and display the SD channels in zoom or just mode?

I would just like to be able to pre-configure the TV so that it always displays SD channels in zoom or just mode - can that be done?

I don't think you can do that.

Use your DVR's remote, pushing up on the big round button let you change between 420i/420p/720p/1080i



I don't think you can do that.

I have my STB set to pass through and the TV (500u) set to Just. When I switch from an HD channel to an SD channel it automatically fills the screen. If you set the box to pass 720p or even 1080i, the TV won't let you stretch an HD signal.

has anyone used a sharpshooter ant for ota hd and did it work , live in townhome so big ant out of the question. using rabbit ears with limited success. px50 seems to have good tuner.

I use one of those 2 feet diameter saucer like antenner. It is actually a rod type antenner inside with a buildin motor so that I can change it pointing direction. Since that was just for testing purpose, I just let the saucer antenner sit on top of my roof and have the cable hanging down.

I house is a typical high range. I guess it's about 24 feet high. I live about 30 miles away from the city and I got 88% on one channel. 40-70% on a few others. I couldn't get CBS-DT and another one at all with the 42PD50. With the same antenner and same cable, I get 90+% on ALL of the local OTA channels on a 34" Sony XBR tube type TV. Go figure.

I have my STB set to pass through and the TV (500u) set to Just. When I switch from an HD channel to an SD channel it automatically fills the screen. If you set the box to pass 720p or even 1080i, the TV won't let you stretch an HD signal.

Interesting! I haven't tried that with my 42PD50 yet since I only got it tonight. When I set "just" in my 6UV, everything becomes "just". I always leaves DirecTV HD Tivo at 1080i though.

If you set it to "Just" it will be just for every channel except for HD (1080i and 720p), this is assuming you have your STB set to pass the native signal to the PDP. In HD modes your only option is full and you need to make your STB stretch the screen if its 4:3 content. But when you switch back to a non-HD channel it remembers the "just" mode setting.

I finally broke down and purchased the SpyderTV calibration kit. I wanted to post the settings for the 50PX50U that it recommended.

The DVD player used is a Panasonic S97S with 720P HDMI connection. I also tried the Component 480P setting as well.

It first recommended the Warm Setting.

HDMI (Dark Room)
Picture 24
Brightness 3
Color 1
Tint -5

HDMI (with a lamp light on)
Picture 22
Brightness 3
Color 1
Tint -3

Component (with a lamp light on)
Picture 18
Brightness 7
Color 0
Tint -5

Any thoughts?

Same as the box for the 42PX50U: 50" long x 21" wide x 37" tall.

I'm pretty sure it won't fit in a car . . . . .
Thank you. I have made arrangements to move it via a SUV.

I've got the firmware downloaded to a formatted SD Memory Card:

But I'd like some input from the resident guru's before I attempt the upgrade.


I'd like more feedback from anyone else that has tried this. I haven't even been succesful pulling up the firmware version in my set using the VOL+ method described in a previous post.

Agreed. It would be most prudent to know your TV's "current" firmware version before attempting an upgrade.

I don't know if anyone has already posted Panny's press release on the recent price drops on another thread, but here it goes anyway:

Official Price Drop Announcement (http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prModelDetail?storeId=11301&catalogId=13251&itemId=94590&modelNo=Content08312005094919627&surfModel=Content08312005094919627)

I'd like more feedback from anyone else that has tried this. I haven't even been succesful pulling up the firmware version in my set using the VOL+ method described in a previous post.

On my 500U, I had to turn back on my built-in TV speakers in order to get the version info to come up using the vol +. I had them turned off with vol going to my receiver.

I've got the firmware downloaded to a formatted SD Memory Card:

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/properties.JPG

But I'd like some input from the resident guru's before I attempt the upgrade.

Plug it in and let it ride. Yes, I turned off my TV before unplugging. As for other fixes, I have no references to provide, other than it didn't work before (no TVGOS data) and now it does. Sorry I can't be more specific.

Are you "LCN" on the ecoustics.com CableCARD thread? "LCN" describes the same problem as yours that was also resolved with the firmware upgrade. How do I display the current firmware installed with my TV? Do you use your TV's optical audio output to an external Dolby Digital receiver? If so, is the interface being disabled for any of your HD stations?

Guys,
I am trying to use Avia and this tutioral wants me to display the white screen. I can't figure out how to do it on my 50" 50U. Can anyone help? Thanks! Here is the tutorial.

http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/Video-calibration.html

EDIT: N/M I think I know what they are asking me. This is pretty hard to figure out. I will just have to go through the basic controls.

Are you "LCN" on the ecoustics.com CableCARD thread? "LCN" describes the same problem as yours that was also resolved with the firmware upgrade. How do I display the current firmware installed with my TV? Do you use your TV's optical audio output to an external Dolby Digital receiver? If so, is the interface being disabled for any of your HD stations?

Yup. That is I. By holding down the vol + on both the remote (pointed at the TV) and the vol + on the front of the TV for 10 secs should bring up a screen with lots of info on it. In the top right corner should be a version #. A Panasonic tech told me how to do this. Yes, I have a optical going from my TV to my receiver (I am using a CableCard in my TV). I also have another optical going from my Sony 400 disc DVD changer (a real cool piece of equipment) to my receiver. I originally thought that I could run my HMDI cable from my DVD changer to my TV and then just have the one optical going into my receiver from my TV. However, it seems like I lose DTS (and maybe even 5.1) sound. Hence the direct connection from the DVD to my receiver. Audio from my TV to my receiver works fine over optical. I usually disable my TV's speakers, except I had to enable them to get to the version screen.

...I have a optical going from my TV to my receiver (I am using a CableCard in my TV)... Audio from my TV to my receiver works fine over optical.If you get a chance I'd appreciate your verification with CableCARD the sound output (DD versus PCM) from optical --> Dolby Digital receiver for channels like: TNT-HD, ESPN-HD, DISC-HD, INHD & HD Net. For these channels my optical interface is disabled and my Dolby Digital receiver only gets PCM audio. I've noticed that when this occurs the CableCARD diag menu reports a CCI byte value of 0x02 and detects ECMs (entitlement control messages). If you could check your diagnostics I'd like to know what you are seeing at your end.

I'm using Time Warner's Scientific-Atlanta CableCARD and suspect they employ a "copy protection" policy which disables the onboard digital interface. I'm not really sure if the firmware upgrade for my TV will address this issue.

If you get a chance I'd appreciate your verification with CableCARD the sound output (DD versus PCM) from optical --> Dolby Digital receiver for channels like: TNT-HD, ESPN-HD, DISC-HD, INHD & HD Net. For these channels my optical interface is disabled and my Dolby Digital receiver only gets PCM audio. I've noticed that when this occurs the CableCARD diag menu reports a CCI byte value of 0x02 and detects ECMs (entitlement control messages). If you could check your diagnostics I'd like to know what you are seeing at your end.

I'm using Time Warner's Scientific-Atlanta CableCARD and suspect they employ a "copy protection" policy which disables the onboard digital interface. I'm not really sure if the firmware upgrade for my TV will address this issue.

I know I that my optical out works on HD stations, but I'd have to check tonight to see if it is downscaled from 5.1 over the optical. I have RCN's Motorolla cablecard. I have no other audio cords other than the optical from my TV. I'm not sure if the upgrade with fix your issue, but it (usually) never hurts to have the latest firwares.

I strongly encourage everyone to file complaints with the FCC stating that Comcast is not installing nor is working on being capable of installing cable cards. I volunteered my home/TV for them to figure out how to get the cable cards working for Panasonic TVs (now the tech supervisor doesn't call me back) and seriously have spoken to 50 people, they are all incompetent, the customer service "supervisor" doesn't even know anything but apparenlty he doesn't have a boss.

Here is the FCC complaint website lets flood it with complaints!!

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/complaints.html

An excerpt from the FCC regarding the "Commercial Availability of Navigation Devices" (http://www.fcc.gov/omd/pra/docs/3060-0849/3060-0849-11.doc)

"... we are concerned about anecdotal evidence relating to the cable industry’s current level of support for unidirectional CableCARDs and expect that performance to improve over the coming months to meet consumer expectations as they purchase CableCARD-enabled devices. To this end, we direct the six largest cable operators to file on or before August 1, 2005, and every 90 days thereafter, status reports on CableCARD deployment and support, including efforts to develop and deploy a multistream CableCARD for widespread use in digital devices available commercially. "

LarryN2723 - Just read about your volume button info screen trick. I'm eager to try it. Do you recall if that screen gives you total time the TV has been on? I'm dieing to get through the 100 hour usage burn in threshhold and wanted to check progress. If its not there, then do you know how to get it?

Separately, has anyone tried the firmware upgrade on a 50PX500? Has anyone seen a list of the benefits of the upgrade?

LarryN2723 - Just read about your volume button info screen trick. I'm eager to try it. Do you recall if that screen gives you total time the TV has been on? I'm dieing to get through the 100 hour usage burn in threshhold and wanted to check progress. If its not there, then do you know how to get it?

Separately, has anyone tried the firmware upgrade on a 50PX500? Has anyone seen a list of the benefits of the upgrade?

Sorry, can't remember. I'd have to check tonight. I do know that you can page forward to view even more info. I upgraded my 50PX500. The upgrade is supposed to fix some specific problems with SA and Motorolla cablecards.

Just got my 42px50u yesterday and had the DirecTV guys out today to hook up the DirecTV HD-DVR 10-250...Isn't there a way to set the settop box to 720p and set up the TV so that it will automatically display HD channels in 16:9 HD and display the SD channels in zoom or just mode?

I would just like to be able to pre-configure the TV so that it always displays SD channels in zoom or just mode - can that be done?
There is no way to do exactly what you want, but you can get close.

While your TV won't let you stretch a 720p or 1080i signal, your HR10-250 can be set to automatically stretch a 480i signal to full screen (16:9) before up-converting it and sending it to the TV. This won't give you "Zoom" or "Just" but something more like "Full." (Not that I've ever seen a big difference between Panasonic's "Full" and "Just.")

You won't be able to stretch incoming HD signals either, so when a station up-converts a SD program and transmits it in HD with side bars, you can't change it. And, if the SD program is letterboxed, the top and bottom bars remain. Neither happen enough to be of major concern during break-in, but you do have the option of setting the HR10-250 to 480i when viewing letterboxed programs, as I do so I can "Zoom" them to properly fill the screen with an undistorted, if soft, picture.

Sorry, I'm 2000 miles away from my set and operating manual right now, so I can't give you specific instructions, but these options are in the HR10-250 set-up menu somewhere and is described in its manual.

i just bought the 50px50u. i have a few questions. i have yet to plug it in btw.

1. this tv will not accept 1080p signal. what will happen 5 years down the road? will they (direct tv or OTH signals) have 1080p signals and 720p signals broadcasting at the same time?

2. i have read on the internet that there will be another price drop in november. any truth?

3. the 50" plasmas that panasonic will be releasing soon, will they be 1080p?

4. if , a few years down the road , i want to get hd-dvd player will i be able to hook it up to this tv? for now i am getting the s97


thank you

RusticR6,

1) 1080P is not going to be broadcast by anyone for a LONG time. I think just getting 1080i and 720p universally support/used will probably take another 10 years.

2) The recent price drops are IMHO pretty amazing. I doubt much more price decreases until next year.

3) What new 50" plasmas? The new commercial versions are still the same rez

4) New HD-DVD & BR players will most likely use HDMI for the next 1-3 years. After that, who knows?

I finally broke down and purchased the SpyderTV calibration kit. I wanted to post the settings for the 50PX50U that it recommended.

The DVD player used is a Panasonic S97S with 720P HDMI connection. I also tried the Component 480P setting as well.

It first recommended the Warm Setting.

HDMI (Dark Room)
Picture 24
Brightness 3
Color 1
Tint -5

HDMI (with a lamp light on)
Picture 22
Brightness 3
Color 1
Tint -3

Component (with a lamp light on)
Picture 18
Brightness 7
Color 0
Tint -5

Any thoughts?

That's very close/identical to what I've gotten via AVIA and component connection on two different 50PX50u's now. It's certainly dark sometimes depending on the programming. Increasing the brightness brings out shadow detail but at the expense of increased dithering noise.

I'm assuming your black level is set to "light"? Mine is.

There seems to be slight green push, thus the need for negative tint value.
This was identical on both of my sets (I returned the first due to what appeared to me as excessive noise and floating black levels). I'm still evaluating the second set.

I have had the set since June (April MFG Date). I am now getting a thin light 'band' down the left side of the screen. There is a darker line where the normal part of the picture starts. I can see the picture in the stripe area, but it's lighter. I'm using a HDMI to DVI connection from the Comcast Moto 6412.

The HD picture is fine.

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks
Jeff

RusticR6

Just to offer a couple of flourishes to MattNelson's reply:

1) 1080p requires far too much bandwidth for broadcasters to be willing to consider, at least at this time. They are already finding ways to use less bandwidth, not more. They may change their mind many years from now when very large screens become commonplace, but it's not a sure thing that it will ever happen.

2) Post Thanksgiving price drops have been rumored, but if you were going to out wait every rumored price drop, you'd never buy a new set. Present prices are pretty attractive.

3) The first 1080 plasmas will be large (65"+, or so) and very expensive. It will probably be quite some time before they appear in smaller sizes, as the benefits don't offset the much higher cost on those.

4) It's likely that HDMI will be used for a long time. Even if something "better" comes along, equipment will continue to offer multiple types of connections, just as it does now.

"1080p requires far too much bandwidth for broadcasters to be willing to consider, at least at this time. "

Actually, it's impossible to send 1080p60 in the existing 6MHz-wide broadcast channels using MPEG-2, the only codec anyone can broadcast in right now. It's not just a matter of willingness, but of the limitations of the codec and the frequency allocation.

I thought MPEG-4 was coming?

thanks. my mind will rest easy now.

I thought MPEG-4 was coming?
For satellite's it is coming. And they will all require new receivers. If they switched to MPEG-4 for OTA all current TV's would be obsolete!

i wonder if that means more compressed signal and pixeling

I strongly encourage everyone to file complaints with the FCC stating that Comcast is not installing nor is working on being capable of installing cable cards. I volunteered my home/TV for them to figure out how to get the cable cards working for Panasonic TVs (now the tech supervisor doesn't call me back) and seriously have spoken to 50 people, they are all incompetent, the customer service "supervisor" doesn't even know anything but apparenlty he doesn't have a boss.

Here is the FCC complaint website lets flood it with complaints!!

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/complaints.html

Brad, my assumption is that the problem is dependent on locale. I have Comcast (just north of Boston) and had absolutely zero problems with getting the CableCARD or having it installed. In fact, the tech called me (I was at work, my wife was home for the install) to make sure I really really wanted both the CableCARD and the cable box because "they do the same thing."

That said, and I already know the answer but figured I would try, once CableCard technology goes bi-directional, is there an upgrade path for us? I hate thinking that to get Video-On-Demand once the CaleCard technology comes out for it, I will have to a) keep the Comcast cable box/DVR (which I HATE) or b) spend $$$$ to buy another TV in 2-3 years. If there were some sort of adapter for CableCard1 --> CableCard2, or some sort of firmware upgrade, I would be much much happier. Anyone?

-p-

All,

I really love everything about the 50 in Panasonic PX50u and PX500u.
I really want to buy one. (not sure which model, I don't need the speakers or the extra component (see switcher). So I would essentially be paying 500.00 more for a PC input.


BUT, here is a real problem. The SINGLE HDMI interface is KILLING ME!!!!!

I need to hook up, xbox 360, Playstation 3, HD Tivo, Nintendo Revolution, old xbox, gamecube, all to this TV, and of course I want the best picture quality from all of them.
I would really like another HDMI interface so all the next gen video games can be in hdmi. What can I do??

A few questions.
Can you get a 720p or 1080i signal using component inputs?
If yes, then what is the difference in picture quality when using COMPONENT vs HDMI?
Is it similar to the drastic quality upgrade of (yellow) RCA JACKS to SVIDEO?
Or more sublte like regular cheap component cables vs Monster component cables?
Should I really care about the lack of additional HDMI?

I already have a Pelecan component switcher to handle all my current consoles, is there an equivalent HDMI switcher that doesn't cost a million dollars??
If not, any suggestions? I am mostly concerned with xbox360/ps3 hooked up together

-Mike

Mike MCGowan,
Geffen makes some HDMI switches that would work for you. Do you have a separate DVD player also? If so does it use HDMI?

"1080p requires far too much bandwidth for broadcasters to be willing to consider, at least at this time. "

Actually, it's impossible to send 1080p60 in the existing 6MHz-wide broadcast channels using MPEG-2, the only codec anyone can broadcast in right now. It's not just a matter of willingness, but of the limitations of the codec and the frequency allocation.
Since 1080p30 is one of the ATSC Table 3 approved broadcast formats, I assumed that's what we were talking about, not 1080p60, which, as far as I know, is not included the ATSC standards.

In either case, I still don't expect to see 1080p broadcasts anytime soon.

No, the xbox360 and ps3 will both function as a pro scan dvd player, so luckily, no need.

Questions from a new PD50U user:

How much better will a progressive DVD player hooked up with component be over a S-video DVD player that isn't progressive? So far with s-video, I am decently impressed with the quality of Lost season 1 on DVD but not so impressed with the first Matrix (for example). Not sure why.

Without the benefit of any calibration DVDs, can I just use some common settings used by you other PD50U users? If so, I would love to hear them. Also, can anyone mention or point me to the settings for break-in again? I am on hour 3 of 100!

Overall, I am not that impressed with the SD stuff like I thought I would be.

Questions from a new PD50U user:

How much better will a progressive DVD player hooked up with component be over a S-video DVD player that isn't progressive? So far with s-video, I am decently impressed with the quality of Lost season 1 on DVD but not so impressed with the first Matrix (for example). Not sure why.


Read this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=477740) . Very informative re: DVDs, their limitations, and progressive scan.

-p-

Anyone know how to remove a favorite (pressing favorite from the remote) from a 42px50u when the channel is no longer listed (menu/setup/program channel/manual)?

When the tv did the initial scan, it picked up channels that were broadcasting at that time. I saved one as a favorite (just playing around figuring out how everything works) but I guess it is no longer broadcasting and the channel no longer appears in the channel list (and, as a result, I can't set the favorite number to blank).

Thanks.

[QUOTE=pgrokkos]LarryN2723 - Just read about your volume button info screen trick. I'm eager to try it. Do you recall if that screen gives you total time the TV has been on? I'm dieing to get through the 100 hour usage burn in threshhold and wanted to check progress. If its not there, then do you know how to get it?

To find the total time the TV has been on, use BruZZi's Plasma FAQ here (http://www.glaucobruzzi.com/plasma-faq/index.php?) . This is a wonderful resource.

Here (http://www.glaucobruzzi.com/plasma-faq/showthread.php?t=81) is the specific page you want.

BTW, the display is in hexadecimal. The hex for 100 is 64. If you have a Windows PC, the scientific version of the calculator will do decimal to hex conversions. To do it manually, multiply the tens position by 16 (6x16+4=100)

Questions from a new PD50U user:

How much better will a progressive DVD player hooked up with component be over a S-video DVD player that isn't progressive? So far with s-video, I am decently impressed with the quality of Lost season 1 on DVD but not so impressed with the first Matrix (for example). Not sure why.

Without the benefit of any calibration DVDs, can I just use some common settings used by you other PD50U users? If so, I would love to hear them. Also, can anyone mention or point me to the settings for break-in again? I am on hour 3 of 100!

Overall, I am not that impressed with the SD stuff like I thought I would be.

Here are my settings over component for 50PX50U from AVIA:

Standard
Pic 20
Brt 5
Color +1
Tint -5
Sharp 15
Black level "light"
Color Mng off
Mpeg NR off

With the ED model I can't say they'll be equivalent.
You can use this as a rough guide and tweak it from there. I really can't tell any difference with Color Mng and MPEG NR on or off so I just leave them both off.

I just got my 50px50u, wall mounted it, ran the component video cables behind the walls. The problem is I am not getting any picture from my dvd (via component). I pressed the "tv/DVD" input and selected the component 1 (where I connected the cables) and only get a blank blue screen . Tried the other input and same reult. Am I doing something wrong? I am pretty sure I have the component inputs right (Green for Y, Blue for Pb, REd for Pr). Thanks for all your help.

Anyone know how to remove a favorite (pressing favorite from the remote) from a 42px50u when the channel is no longer listed (menu/setup/program channel/manual)?

When the tv did the initial scan, it picked up channels that were broadcasting at that time. I saved one as a favorite (just playing around figuring out how everything works) but I guess it is no longer broadcasting and the channel no longer appears in the channel list (and, as a result, I can't set the favorite number to blank).

I don't see how the channel number no longer appears on the chart - when i had my tuner in Antenna Mode my chart was filled with dozens and dozens of channel numbers that are not broadcasting anything, yet they were all displayed in the chart. Have you tried to re-scan all the channels again?

Try to add the channel manually and see if the chart shows it as a Favorite.

If you can get at it, go in and select --- and that removes it from your Favorites list.

Questions from a new PD50U user:

How much better will a progressive DVD player hooked up with component be over a S-video DVD player that isn't progressive? So far with s-video, I am decently impressed with the quality of Lost season 1 on DVD but not so impressed with the first Matrix (for example). Not sure why.

Without the benefit of any calibration DVDs, can I just use some common settings used by you other PD50U users? If so, I would love to hear them. Also, can anyone mention or point me to the settings for break-in again? I am on hour 3 of 100!

Overall, I am not that impressed with the SD stuff like I thought I would be.


OK, I'm a newb when it comes to this but there's a break-in period and procedure? Just bought a 50PDX50U and didn't read about that. Thanks.

I've been told that the PX500u does not remember the settings for individual inputs. Can anyone confirm or refute this? If this is true how can you calibrate the TV for different devices?

I just got my 50px50u, wall mounted it, ran the component video cables behind the walls. The problem is I am not getting any picture from my dvd (via component). I pressed the "tv/DVD" input and selected the component 1 (where I connected the cables) and only get a blank blue screen . Tried the other input and same reult. Am I doing something wrong? I am pretty sure I have the component inputs right (Green for Y, Blue for Pb, REd for Pr). Thanks for all your help.


Check your DVD player.

Check for a setting in the menu to switch from composite/s-video/componet.

Make sure you have it set to Progresive Scan. (some DVD players have a switch on th back).

Are you getting sound?

Guys, I just purchased a 50Px50U and am quite new at this. I read some glowing reviews and it stacked up pretty well at CC to LG, Hitachi, and Sony so I pulled the trigger. I probably should've had CC set it up for me, but I couldn't wait 3 days for them so tried to do it myself. I've read A LOT of the threads here trying to get some answers but figured I give this a shot. Currently I only have my TW Cable HD-DVR Scient Atl box hooked up to the TV with Monst Cbls. The pic on the non-HD channels is pretty bad...most look very grainy. Some of the HD channels come in pretty well, but many seem just ok. Is there some place any of you recommend I start or have any advice about the setup for this set?? MUCH appreciated.

Stunz, I am getting sound. There is a switch for progressive scan on the back and I had it switch to that. I will look for the manual today(it is here somewhere ) and see if there is a menu setting issue. By the way, the dvd is an Adcom GVD-850, hope that helps.

Guys, I just purchased a 50Px50U and am quite new at this. I read some glowing reviews and it stacked up pretty well at CC to LG, Hitachi, and Sony so I pulled the trigger. I probably should've had CC set it up for me, but I couldn't wait 3 days for them so tried to do it myself. I've read A LOT of the threads here trying to get some answers but figured I give this a shot. Currently I only have my TW Cable HD-DVR Scient Atl box hooked up to the TV with Monst Cbls. The pic on the non-HD channels is pretty bad...most look very grainy. Some of the HD channels come in pretty well, but many seem just ok. Is there some place any of you recommend I start or have any advice about the setup for this set?? MUCH appreciated.

I have the SA8300hd box from TWC. On my HD rptv, I use S-Video for standard def. MUCH better picture. Or course I use the component or HDMI for all high def viewing.

Guys, I just purchased a 50Px50U......Currently I only have my TW Cable HD-DVR Scient Atl box hooked up to the TV with Monst Cbls. The pic on the non-HD channels is pretty bad...most look very grainy. Some of the HD channels come in pretty well, but many seem just ok. Is there some place any of you recommend I start or have any advice about the setup for this set?? MUCH appreciated.I'm curious as to why you bought Monster cables instead of regular cables? Did the CC salesman push them on you and if so, what was his reasoning? And which ones did you get?

If your TWC HD DVR is an SA8000HD then you're stuck with poor SD over the Component connection and there's no other way you can connect it or get around it, unless you manually switch the DVR to SD mode then change the rear connections.

If it's the Motorola 6412 (or the SA8300HD) then do what kclfoxtrot said and watch SD through the S-Video connection then switch the TV to that input. How does it look? You may have to split the R/L Audio outputs if there's only one set of em.

Also try the regular yellow Composite Video connection and compare it to S-Video. My 20" LCD happens to like Composite more than S-Video for some reason but my plasma prefers S-Video.

I'm curious as to why you bought Monster cables instead of regular cables? Did the CC salesman push them on you and if so, what was his reasoning? And which ones did you get?
.

I can tell you that the BB sales person pushed the Moster cables. HD cable box won't come for 10 days; not sure what kind it is (Insight is my provider) but I was told it has a dual tuner :confused: . Anyway, are you saying that I shouldn't use Monster cables with my px50u? Thanks

When I first got my Panny plasma I had a SA4200 and I tried regular coax, composite and s-video. The S-video was definitely the best of the 3 but by a small margin. With my SA8300HD, I haven't tried an s-video cable yet but the SD channels definitely look no worse with component connection than they did on the old 4200.

Wondering if anyone who plays video games on their Panny can help me. I played my first game yesterday and am getting the side bars on my screen. It wasn't there yesterday, but now it is. Can anyone tell me how to get rid of these. The game is in 480p. Thanks!

Guys, I just purchased a 50Px50U and am quite new at this. I read some glowing reviews and it stacked up pretty well at CC to LG, Hitachi, and Sony so I pulled the trigger. I probably should've had CC set it up for me, but I couldn't wait 3 days for them so tried to do it myself. I've read A LOT of the threads here trying to get some answers but figured I give this a shot. Currently I only have my TW Cable HD-DVR Scient Atl box hooked up to the TV with Monst Cbls. The pic on the non-HD channels is pretty bad...most look very grainy. Some of the HD channels come in pretty well, but many seem just ok. Is there some place any of you recommend I start or have any advice about the setup for this set?? MUCH appreciated.


The lower channels looked pretty bad and I ended up using a cable amplifier I got from Radio Shack. It cleaned up the the analog SD channels big time. Also helped the picture for my antenna input as well.

I can tell you that the BB sales person pushed the Moster cables. HD cable box won't come for 10 days; not sure what kind it is (Insight is my provider) but I was told it has a dual tuner :confused: . Anyway, are you saying that I shouldn't use Monster cables with my px50u? Thanks

BB and CC push Monster Cables on unsuspecting customers because the have a huge markup and are extremely profitable for the store, with false claims that they improve picture quality or shield the signal from stray photon rays and solar flares. Truth is they offer zero performance improvement over decent conventional cables that cost only one-fourth as much.

Anyone who was conned into buying Monster cables should take them back for a full refund, buy cheaper cables, and put the rest of the money back in their wallet. Now if they were only priced say 20% higher than regular cables i could see it being worth it for the nice build quality, but 400% higher? No way.

Anyone who was conned into buying Monster cables should take them back for a full refund, buy cheaper cables, and put the rest of the money back in their wallet. Now if they were only priced say 20% higher than regular cables i could see it being worth it for the nice build quality, but 400% higher? No way.

I found a site called Cables for Less. The page for their component cables is Here (http://www.cablesforless.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2131). These seem to be better quality than comparably-priced ones at other sites. Has anyone used these cables?

I'm about to pull the trigger on the PX or PD soon. I just realized that if I use the OTA ATSC tuner, I have no way to get the surround sound out of the TV to my receiver. The video out is just stereo. Is this correct?

Thanks in advance for any help with this.

I can tell you that the BB sales person pushed the Moster cables. HD cable box won't come for 10 days; not sure what kind it is (Insight is my provider) but I was told it has a dual tuner :confused: . Anyway, are you saying that I shouldn't use Monster cables with my px50u? Thanks

Just use them. They are not your problem.

This forum is just dominated with Moster Cable / Bose bashers.


Watch how many bashers jump on this. :)

I'm about to pull the trigger on the PX or PD soon. I just realized that if I use the OTA ATSC tuner, I have no way to get the surround sound out of the TV to my receiver. The video out is just stereo. Is this correct?

Thanks in advance for any help with this.

I'm pretty sure there's an optical out for 5.1 back there.

I am in the middle of construction and need to know how deep the stand is that comes with the PX500. I looked on Panny's site but it didn't have that info. Also searched the forums. :o It is going above a fireplace, yea I know :rolleyes: not optimum viewing hight, but trust me it will work. I may consider letting it stand on the mantle, depending on the width of the stand. I'm figuring on a 7 inch or so deep mantle. The gas fireplace will be used occationally to take the chill off the room, but not for long periods of time. I am a little concerned about the heat issue, but will have a heat deflector installed plus the mantle to hopefully guide the heat away from the screen. Also from what I can tell all the cable run from the bottom center correct? I am considering getting the unit from DirectBuy, thanks dad!. The price is the best I've seen anywhere, but I will have to wait 4-6 weeks for it. Considering construction of the room wont be done for several weeks, I'm not to worried about it.

BTW the bottem edge of the screen should be aprox. 48 inches off the ground. Is this still to high, or do you guys think this will work? Yea I know this topic has been around for awhile, just need fresh insights thanks.


Jeff

The US Open on CBS was stunning. However, the sound of the announcers could barely be heard over the sound from the mics on the court. The ball off the rackets was crisp and loud as was the crowd, but the commentary of the analysts could barely be heard. It was as if I was missing a center channel carrying voice. Is this a setup problem? I have not noticed this on other HD channels, but I will pay attention today when watching the football games. I've only spent about 4 hrs. with the 500U and overall it is a great plasma.

Just use them. They are not your problem.

This forum is just dominated with Moster Cable / Bose bashers.


Watch how many bashers jump on this. :)

LMAO. Monster is just fine, just way over priced. :D Bose is entirely different story. ;)

BTW, after using my PD50 for the last few days, I can't see the improvement overy my 1 year old 6UY. I'm returning it to CC and mail order a 8UY.

I'm about to pull the trigger on the PX or PD soon. I just realized that if I use the OTA ATSC tuner, I have no way to get the surround sound out of the TV to my receiver. The video out is just stereo. Is this correct?


It has a digital audio out.

I know that this topic has been discussed before, but I just wanted to confirm my understanding. Is there any PQ difference between the 500U and the 50U? It was my understanding that the only differences are related to additional features. I had decided that the additional features (i.e. PIP and better speakers) were not worth the additional cost for me. I went to look at the 50U at Tweeter and the sales rep immediately tried to sell me the 500U. I told him that I was not interested in the additional features. He told me that in addition to the additional features, the PQ was far superior. Based on my comparison between the two, there was a difference between the two displays. The 500U did look better. I asked if this was due to the settings and the response was no, that the 500U has a better picture. From doing my research on this forum, it appears that there should not be any PQ difference between the two. Is this just Tweeter's way of making a sale on the higher priced model?

I'm curious as to why you bought Monster cables instead of regular cables? Did the CC salesman push them on you and if so, what was his reasoning? And which ones did you get?

If your TWC HD DVR is an SA8000HD then you're stuck with poor SD over the Component connection and there's no other way you can connect it or get around it, unless you manually switch the DVR to SD mode then change the rear connections.

If it's the Motorola 6412 (or the SA8300HD) then do what kclfoxtrot said and watch SD through the S-Video connection then switch the TV to that input. How does it look? You may have to split the R/L Audio outputs if there's only one set of em.

Also try the regular yellow Composite Video connection and compare it to S-Video. My 20" LCD happens to like Composite more than S-Video for some reason but my plasma prefers S-Video.
Yes the CC sales guy was pretty adamant that I buy the $89 Monst Cbls and assured me I would see a very noticable diffnce. I paid $3600 for the 50PX50U so I figured whats a few more bucks, but I very may well return them after I hook up less expensive ones if I see no diffnce.

I have the SA 8300HD DVR box and I hooked up an S Video and there was no noticable diffnce over the Monst Component Cables. I tried some of the picture settings I've seen listed here and that also barely made any diffnce. The picture on the SD channels actually seem worse than on my previous non-hd tv. Also, i found this odd as well, but the sound seems to come in a little better on the SD channels vs. the HD ones.

Will the HDMI be a better connection and provide a better picture over the components? I was told that the SA8300 boxes don't support HDMI eventhough they have the jacks for it. But this was from the same CC sales guy that talked me into the highest priced Monst Cbls.

The US Open on CBS was stunning. However, the sound of the announcers could barely be heard over the sound from the mics on the court. The ball off the rackets was crisp and loud as was the crowd, but the commentary of the analysts could barely be heard. It was as if I was missing a center channel carrying voice. Is this a setup problem? I have not noticed this on other HD channels, but I will pay attention today when watching the football games. I've only spent about 4 hrs. with the 500U and overall it is a great plasma.

A lot of times when a sports event is in 5.1 (as opposed to 2.1) I notice this. The announcers seem to be only on the center channel and the level is often not high enough to be heard clearly over the crowd noise. The same can be true of movie dialog. This is one reason why you shouldn't plan to skimp on your center channel speaker.

Ok, I can't tell if my scan picked up (for example) this TN+Pitt game in HD. It says it was HD where available at the start. I think it should be channel 8.1 but not sure how to input those.

I hope this is not inapropriate:

I'm pretty much ready to go ahead and purchase my TH-50PHD8UK, but one little snag: I'm in Canada... According to one source here, Panasonic will not release the 8 series in Canada for some time (maybe they're trying to get rid of all the 7 series left around - pretty lame).

The same source is offering to import it from the US but the end price is about $1000 more than if I purchased it from TVA and had it shipped. I have nothing against paying a premium given the circumstances, but a 30% premium on a $3000 item is a bit much IMHO.

I have 2 questions:

-Does TVA ship to Canada (Montreal, only a 30mn drive from Champlain NY!).

-I go to NYC from time to time (only a 5hr drive). Would anyone be able to recommend an authorized location where I could buy this set on the way (New Hampshire - no tax), New Jersey, New York, etc.? I'm obviously looking for the below $3000 price tag, as advertised by TVA.

Thanks!

Yup. That is I. By holding down the vol + on both the remote (pointed at the TV) and the vol + on the front of the TV for 10 secs should bring up a screen with lots of info on it. In the top right corner should be a version #. A Panasonic tech told me how to do this. Yes, I have a optical going from my TV to my receiver (I am using a CableCard in my TV). I also have another optical going from my Sony 400 disc DVD changer (a real cool piece of equipment) to my receiver. I originally thought that I could run my HMDI cable from my DVD changer to my TV and then just have the one optical going into my receiver from my TV. However, it seems like I lose DTS (and maybe even 5.1) sound. Hence the direct connection from the DVD to my receiver. Audio from my TV to my receiver works fine over optical. I usually disable my TV's speakers, except I had to enable them to get to the version screen.

I know I that my optical out works on HD stations, but I'd have to check tonight to see if it is downscaled from 5.1 over the optical. I have RCN's Motorolla cablecard. I have no other audio cords other than the optical from my TV. I'm not sure if the upgrade with fix your issue, but it (usually) never hurts to have the latest firwares .

Sorry, can't remember. I'd have to check tonight. I do know that you can page forward to view even more info. I upgraded my 50PX500. The upgrade is supposed to fix some specific problems with SA and Motorolla cablecards .

Plug it in and let it ride. Yes, I turned off my TV before unplugging

”LarryN2723” thanks for the tip about showing the status menu, you’re right there is a lot of interesting information regarding the PDP and it's performance. My 50PX50U with original firmware version 1.210

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/px50u_1.210.JPG

I proceed with the SD download:

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/sd_download.JPG

Update firmware version 1.240 applied.

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/px50u_1.240.JPG

same result, the firmware update 1.240 does not address the "copy protection" policy as applied by Albany Time Warner for high-value digital content on premium movie channels such as HBO, etc.; and for their non-local HD tier from TNT 1827 through ESPN 1869. :mad:

BTW... follow the instructions precisely as written and there is no problem applying the firmware update. After the firmware update is loaded... the PX50U must remain on and disconnect the power cord from the wall outlet, wait a few seconds then reconnect the power cord to the wall outlet. The TV will power up and a firmware "update being applied" message is displayed. Do not interrupt power until the update has finished.

Thanks, Scottro and WKC, onc I knew it was there, I was able to find the digital output on the PD and PX. It was not with the other I/O ports but over on the left.

This is why I love this board (but isn't the Sony digital out better? :) :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ).

I go to NYC from time to time (only a 5hr drive). Would anyone be able to recommend an authorized location where I could buy this set on the way (New Hampshire - no tax), New Jersey, New York, etc.? I'm obviously looking for the below $3000 price tag, as advertised by TVA.

Thanks!

Hmm, i haven't seen any local stores in NY carry the commerical models at all.

I am in the middle of construction and need to know how deep the stand is that comes with the PX500. I looked on Panny's site but it didn't have that info. Also searched the forums. :o It is going above a fireplace, yea I know :rolleyes: not optimum viewing hight, but trust me it will work. I may consider letting it stand on the mantle, depending on the width of the stand. I'm figuring on a 7 inch or so deep mantle. The gas fireplace will be used occationally to take the chill off the room, but not for long periods of time. I am a little concerned about the heat issue, but will have a heat deflector installed plus the mantle to hopefully guide the heat away from the screen. Also from what I can tell all the cable run from the bottom center correct? I am considering getting the unit from DirectBuy, thanks dad!. The price is the best I've seen anywhere, but I will have to wait 4-6 weeks for it. Considering construction of the room wont be done for several weeks, I'm not to worried about it.

BTW the bottem edge of the screen should be aprox. 48 inches off the ground. Is this still to high, or do you guys think this will work? Yea I know this topic has been around for awhile, just need fresh insights thanks.


Jeff

Depending how far you sit away from the tv 48" may not be that much. I'm 15' away and 46" is just fine since I'm usually reclined anyway.

Stand wize I don't have a 500U but the stand for my 42PD50U is 12" deep.

Hmm, i haven't seen any local stores in NY carry the commerical models at all.


B&H Photo does. :)



I hope this is not inapropriate:

I'm pretty much ready to go ahead and purchase my TH-50PHD8UK, but one little snag: I'm in Canada... According to one source here, Panasonic will not release the 8 series in Canada for some time (maybe they're trying to get rid of all the 7 series left around - pretty lame).

The same source is offering to import it from the US but the end price is about $1000 more than if I purchased it from TVA and had it shipped. I have nothing against paying a premium given the circumstances, but a 30% premium on a $3000 item is a bit much IMHO.

I have 2 questions:

-Does TVA ship to Canada (Montreal, only a 30mn drive from Champlain NY!).


I don't think so (They used to). Give them a call to confirm it.


-I go to NYC from time to time (only a 5hr drive). Would anyone be able to recommend an authorized location where I could buy this set on the way (New Hampshire - no tax), New Jersey, New York, etc.? I'm obviously looking for the below $3000 price tag, as advertised by TVA.

Thanks!


Filou, TVA is an Online Store. You're not going to find a local Dealer selling with the same discounted prices as Online Stores.


Dell Canada sells Panasonic Plasmas (Dell USA used to carry them). They have the TH-3PWD8UK and TH-42PWD8UK listed on their website. The TH-50PHD8UK and the other Models should be coming soon.

If the prices still high for you...

BHPhoto.com ( 420 Ninth Avenue - Between 33rd & 34th street - NYC ) is selling the TH-50PHD8UK for just a little bit more than the price you wrote on your post. ;)
That's an excellent price for a local store especially being a very reputable Dealer. :)



If you have any other questions about the 50PHD8UK, please post in one of the following threads: :)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=576903

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=563479



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”LarryN2723” thanks for the tip about showing the status menu, you’re right there is a lot of interesting information regarding the PDP and it's performance. My 50PX50U with original firmware version 1.210

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/px50u_1.210.JPG

I proceed with the SD download:

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/sd_download.JPG

Update firmware version 1.240 applied.

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/px50u_1.240.JPG

same result, the firmware update 1.240 does not address the "copy protection" policy as applied by Albany Time Warner for high-value digital content on premium movie channels such as HBO, etc.; and for their non-local HD tier from TNT 1827 through ESPN 1869. :mad:

BTW... follow the instructions precisely as written and there is no problem applying the firmware update. After the firmware update is loaded... the PX50U must remain on and disconnect the power cord from the wall outlet, wait a few seconds then reconnect the power cord to the wall outlet. The TV will power up and a firmware "update being applied" message is displayed. Do not interrupt power until the update has finished.

Opt,

Have you noticed anything new with the firmware upgrade? Did it resolve any issues you might have had before the upgrade?

So far, my 500u is working without any problems, I'd hate to install it and end up regretting it. Also, I'm waiting for Brighthouse/TWC to get me a cable card, I'll refer to this upgrade if there are any problems.

Also, did you have the TV off when you brought up the info screen using the vol buttons?

I know that this topic has been discussed before, but I just wanted to confirm my understanding. Is there any PQ difference between the 500U and the 50U? It was my understanding that the only differences are related to additional features. I had decided that the additional features (i.e. PIP and better speakers) were not worth the additional cost for me. I went to look at the 50U at Tweeter and the sales rep immediately tried to sell me the 500U. I told him that I was not interested in the additional features. He told me that in addition to the additional features, the PQ was far superior. Based on my comparison between the two, there was a difference between the two displays. The 500U did look better. I asked if this was due to the settings and the response was no, that the 500U has a better picture. From doing my research on this forum, it appears that there should not be any PQ difference between the two. Is this just Tweeter's way of making a sale on the higher priced model?

The 42/50PX500U uses the same panel and electronics as the 42/50PX50U. There should be no difference in PQ between the two. The difference you saw could have been the settings or the source or cables or whatever, or maybe it was just the power of suggestion from a convincing lying salesman :)

Opt,

Have you noticed anything new with the firmware upgrade? Did it resolve any issues you might have had before the upgrade?

So far, my 500u is working without any problems, I'd hate to install it and end up regretting it. Also, I'm waiting for Brighthouse/TWC to get me a cable card, I'll refer to this upgrade if there are any problems.

Also, did you have the TV off when you brought up the info screen using the vol buttons?I have seen no difference in my PX50U's operation between firmware levels 1.210 & 1.240. Upgrading the firmware basically confirms what I already knew, the TV behaves as it should and Time Warner's "copy protection" policy is the root cause that disables my TV's optical interface for high-value digital content. Going though this exercise has taught me what tools are required, how to use Panasonic's SD Memory Card format utility, download and save the firmware upgrade to the SD Memory Card and use it to update the firmware level of the TV. Hopefully, this will come in handy in the future.

For now, unless you are experiencing a particular problem that a firmware upgrade is reported to resolve, I’d recommend against attempting the upgrade.

The TV has to be powered on with it's speakers enabled in order to bring up the "status" screen and/or apply a firmware update.

Thanks,
I went to the Big Screen Store in my area today and compared the two models again. I did not see the dramatic picture difference this time (or any difference) and the store manager was not aware of any picture differences between the two models. However, he said that he heard the 500U has the same glass as the Onyx models, but did not know for sure. Needless to say, I will not be taking my business to Tweeter. Too bad, since I was seriously considering purchasing from them.

I hate to keep asking questions, but I just don't get what is happening here. I do not have HD yet, it comes on the 17th. I was watching the game tonight on ESPN between Baltimore and Indy. I leave the room for a couple of minutes and I come back in and all of a sudden i have side black bars! I was saying WTF, why is this happening. I change to other channels beside ESPN News which always has sidebars and everything else is in widescreen. I shut the TV down and turn it back on and then ESPN went back into the normal widescreen mode with no bars.

I posted about having side bar problems with a video game I played and I can almost swear that when I first played it, it was full widescreen and then the next day it seemed to have bars. I always watch in Just mode and don't get what is happening. Can anyone explain this to me, any tips on preventing this? Thanks very much :) I have a 50" Panny 50U.

I looked at the link for the firmware and saw nothing for the 42PD50U. Is the firmware on the PD50s upgradeable? I often have uncommanded closed captioning which activates itself when I switch from an analog cable channel to a digital channel. Which certainly seems like a software glitch. I wish there was a "super-duper global off mode" for the closed captioning. Merely turning CC off in the TV settings doesn't seem to work for digital channels.

Also, I hope for an upgrade that would allow the tuner to switch from CABLE mode to ANTENNA mode and vice versa while keeping the respective Cable and Antenna channel maps intact (so no channel scan would be needed when switching modes). Perhaps this would take more than a programming change, but a man can dream.

I went to the Big Screen Store in my area today and compared the two models again. I did not see the dramatic picture difference this time (or any difference) and the store manager was not aware of any picture differences between the two models. However, he said that he heard the 500U has the same glass as the Onyx models, but did not know for sure.

He's wrong - the Onyx is last years model and has the old 7th gen glass. The PX500 has 8th gen glass like the PX50. Print this out and stick it in his pocket :D

Has anyone managed to get the price lower than 10% off MSRP at CC? If there is no sale going on can I still get the 10% off price if I ask for it?

I looked at the link for the firmware and saw nothing for the 42PD50U. Is the firmware on the PD50s upgradeable?Look on the back of your PDP for an SD Memory Card slot. If you find one you'll know this is the interface Panasonic uses to apply firmware updates. There is no firmware update for the PD50U because the current release for the PX50/500Us is intended to address CableCARD issues.

Just a thought, but I know that ESPN shows the sidebars when they display scores on the bottom of the screen at 28 and 58 minutes past the hour. When they are finished with the scores, the sidebars go away. Assuming this only happens on ESPN during games, then this could be your problem.

Now, is as good a time as any to baseline our respective PD/PX50/500U configurations, which enables us to compare notes on a technical basis.

"Optivity" proposes to build you a better box! :) but it requires a group effort to achieve.! In order to participate everyone must display his system status:

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/px50u_1.210.JPG

Only then do we have something objective to discuss. ;)

Has anyone managed to get the price lower than 10% off MSRP at CC? If there is no sale going on can I still get the 10% off price if I ask for it?

look for some place for them to price match. works all the time.

If you are getting their extended warrantee, they will for sure lower the price (for quite a bit) for you.

Just a thought, but I know that ESPN shows the sidebars when they display scores on the bottom of the screen at 28 and 58 minutes past the hour. When they are finished with the scores, the sidebars go away. Assuming this only happens on ESPN during games, then this could be your problem.

Wow, that could be it. I will check next time a game is on. Maybe baseball will be on tonight. Thanks a ton for your reply!

For now, unless you are experiencing a particular problem that a firmware upgrade is reported to resolve, I’d recommend against attempting the upgrade.



This is what i was thinking as well.

Or you may wish to go through the exercise just for the fun of it! :D

When the tv did the initial scan, it picked up channels that were broadcasting at that time. I saved one as a favorite (just playing around figuring out how everything works) but I guess it is no longer broadcasting and the channel no longer appears in the channel list (and, as a result, I can't set the favorite number to blank).


I'm having this same type of problem, in that I live in Houston and at different days I lose channel 20-1 and 26-1. It states low signal strength. But if I do a scan of channels the stations will return and will for for a few days. Has any one else seen this problem? I have the 50PX500 unit.

Mike

I'm having this same type of problem, in that I live in Houston and at different days I lose channel 20-1 and 26-1. It states low signal strength. But if I do a scan of channels the stations will return and will for for a few days. Has any one else seen this problem? I have the 50PX500 unit.

Mike

I ended up resetting the tv and starting over with a new channel scan. I don't consider this a problem as I receive all the channels I am supposed to without issue.

I have Comcast cable with no cable box and no cable card. When I scan for channels, I get all of the channels I used to get plus 10 or so HD channels plus a bunch of music channels. Occasionally as I am surfing up and down the channels a new one will appear in the 103 range. These channels appear only for the length of the program and then once the show is over the channel is gone. So far I have seen Sex in the City, some comedy special, and Constantine (without commercials or company logos). I've searched the tv guide to see what channel I might be receiving but the program never shows on the listing.

Again, I don't consider this a problem as everything else works normally. I just learned not to add these channels to the favorites.

Fatbody, you're probably picking up some On-Demand content. I've experienced the same thing.

I am NOT a fan of expensive cables...heck I bought my speaker wire at the dollar store (it sounds great by the way...all my other components - receiver, speaker etc. are high quality). However, I noted above in this thread about Monster Cables being pushed at the B&M stores. Well, I saw another B&M store that is carrying them - Wal-Mart. I know, I was shocked too. I thought it was a mistake. But it was real. And about 1/4 the $$$ of what they sell for in BB. First Panny's on their website, now this. One would think they are trying to move upscale...

Darren

Regarding bringing up the screen with the firmware revision...

I am not able to bring this up on our 50PX500. When I press both volume up buttons, nothing happens for about 3-4 seconds, then the screen will flash back for a split second, return to the normal picture, and no special display ever comes up.

Am I misinterpreting the directions somehow? Power is on and set is displaying a normal picture before starting.

Once you get the hang of it... it's easy to bring up the status screen. With the TV speakers on and while tuned to a program source, put the volume down low (so you don't blast your sound) then press and hold the Vol + on your remote to be sure you see the volume graphic increasing on your screen; then push and hold the Vol + button on the TV. Both Vol + buttons have to be pressed for about 10 seconds. When both buttons are pushed the volume graphic bar on the display will stop increasing and I seem to recall it disappeared which indicates the TV status screen option is being initiated. When the status screen comes up it overlays the program being displayed. When the status screen is initiated you will notice the panel's display darken a bit, when you see the screen become a bit more dark release the Vol + buttons.

just bought the px50 and just realized I can't hook up my bookshelf speakers directly to the px50 like I did with my 20-year-old CRT television. Ouch! The existing speakers really are poor and my Pinnacle bookshelfs would give the audio a bit of a pop.

I have a limited amount of space to put components in my bedroom armoire, so can anyone recommend a home-theater-in-a-box or a low end receiver/amp to hook up speakers and a DVD player? maybe a home-theater "in-a-box" Do any of these in-a-box solutions have decent dvd players built in? I'm no super videophile, but I don't want absolute junk.

thanks!

Eric :)

Once you get the hang of it... it's easy to bring up the status screen. With the TV speakers on and while tuned to a program source, put the volume down low (so you don't blast your sound)...
What if you press the "Mute" button on the Panny remote beforehand, or perhaps tune to a channel that has no audio (e.g., an invalid DirecTV channel, for DTV folks) in order to avoid the loud volume issue when attempting to pull up the status screen?

There is a ton of info in the audio section of this forum amd it is well worth browsing thru!

My rep;y was directed at Eric regarding HTIB's

What if you press the "Mute" button on the Panny remote beforehand, or perhaps tune to a channel that has no audio (e.g., an invalid DirecTV channel, for DTV folks) in order to avoid the loud volume issue when attempting to pull up the status screen?I used the tip that was supplied by "LarryN2723" and this is what works for me. If you can find a better way, I'm all for it. If you begin with the volume adjusted down to a lower setting, once the status initiation process begins the volume will stop increasing long before it becomes too loud. I'm not 100% sure, but you may need to have your TV connecteded to a valid incoming digital source with the speakers/volume enabled in order to display the status screen.

There is a ton of info in the audio section of this forum amd it is well worth browsing thru!

thanks..looked..and i think the ZVOX fits the bill for my budget and space considerations.

Eric

I'm not 100% sure, but you may need to have your TV connecteded to a valid incoming digital source with the speakers/volume enabled in order to display the status screen.

A valid incoming digital source? OK, well we had tried it on an S-Video input. Does that really make a difference?

Also, I had pressed both volume up buttons simultaneously, so the volume indicator on the TV was not going up. We'll try it again and press the remote button first.

-Todd