This has to be some of the worst advice that get's circulated around this forum. Why anyone would promote additional wear to their PDPs phosphors is beyond me. You are a lot better off to read this document "Plasma Facts and Myths Panasonic Presents Advice From the Video Purist Perspective" (http://www.fcw.com/vendorsolutions/panasonicplasma.pdf#search='plasma%20white%20paper%20panason ic') and follow the guidelines as specified by the manufacturer of your PDP.

LOL. Did you actually READ the PDF? It says the SAME EXACT THING. LOL.

LOL. Did you actually READ the PDF? It says the SAME EXACT THING. LOL.Dude... I don't know what you're smoking today? But if you can read beyond the first paragraph... (and count higher than the number of fingers on your hands) on pages 3 - 4 you will see Panasonic has provided specific steps to follow to insure the proper break-in/maintenance of a new PDP. :p

Dude... I don't know what you're smoking today? But if you can read beyond the first paragraph... (and count higher than the number of fingers on your hands) on pages 3 - 4 you will see Panasonic has provided specific steps to follow to insure the proper break-in/maintenance of a new PDP. :p

Exactly, they are talking about turning down the settings and having different images on the PDP, so there is no burn-in. Exactly what rhcorolla said.

Exactly, they are talking about turning down the settings and having different images on the PDP, so there is no burn-in. Exactly what rhcorolla said.Since you're up to (11) posts I'm anticipating you will provide us with some links to a better source. :rolleyes:

Since you're up to (11) posts I'm anticipating you will provide us with some links to a better source. :rolleyes:

Hilarious.

This has to be some of the worst advice that get's circulated around this forum. Why anyone would promote additional wear to their PDPs phosphors is beyond me. You are a lot better off to read this document "Plasma Facts and Myths Panasonic Presents Advice From the Video Purist Perspective" (http://www.fcw.com/vendorsolutions/panasonicplasma.pdf#search='plasma%20white%20paper%20panason ic') and follow the guidelines as specified by the manufacturer of your PDP. Well, that same white paper (which I had already read & printed out) says Panasonic plasmas have a half life brightness rating of 60,000 hours- 4 times the life of a CRT rear projection. So what's the big deal about a 100 hours lost? ;) The advantage would be you could bump up the picture control settings after that 1st 100 hours. I probably am not going to go to that trouble, but was curious how others have fared, & how far the envelope has been pushed...

Edit: also the referenced white paper was released Nov. 2004. Didn't this 8th generation of glass come out after this was issued? So maybe restrictions aren't as great?

My 42PX50 is due to arrive today evening. These are the current 'planned' settings that I will apply atleast for the first 100 hours.

Standard
Picture: -5
Brightness: -3
Color: 0
Tint: -8
Sharp: 0
Color Temp: normal
Color Mng. : off
CATS: off
Black level: grey

Any suggested changes? Along with this I will ensure I dont see the bars atleast for the first 100 hours. Is there anything else that I need to be aware of/ careful about?These settings are safe to use... perhaps too safe? I'm wondering how the display will look and if possibly bringing up the Picture & Brightness to 0 will suffice? The BIG things to avoid for the first 100 hours are prolonged use of black bars, static logo's (but what are you going to do if you want to watch a TV show?) and that damn crawling ticker which is prevalent on many news channels. Provided you vary your viewing habits, your panel should be fine.

Well, that same white paper (which I had already read & printed out) says Panasonic plasmas have a half life brightness rating of 60,000 hours- 4 times the life of a CRT rear projection. So what's the big deal about a 100 hours lost? ;) The advantage would be you could bump up the picture control settings after that 1st 100 hours. I probably not going to go to the trouble of that, but was curious how others have fared, & how far the envelope has been pushed...The idea of running a "brand new" PDP (unmonitered?) for 100 hours non-stop... doesn't make sense to me. Since I've never seen this break-in procedure published by the manufacturer, I still recommend you follow their approach as specified in the instructions regarding the proper care and maintenance of their PDPs.

Panels with 60,000 hours service were available in 2004 so I believe the same procedures apply to Panasonic's 8th generation PDPs.

These settings are safe to use... perhaps too safe? I'm wondering how the display will look and if possibly bringing up the Picture & Brightness to 0 will suffice?

Thanks. So does that mean I am ok with setting a zero across the board? (Picture, Brightness, Color, Tint, Sharp)? Also, I see the suggestion to turn the contrast below 50%. Is that a setting other than what I have mentioned already? It will probably become more obvious to me when I see it in the evening.. :)

I believe the Picture setting is -30 to +30 so 0 should be 50%. Provided you use Standard or Cinema modes the settings other than picture can be adjusted up/down a couple of notches to suit your preference. The black level adjustment should be Dark for SD and Light for HD.

i don't know why everyone is so worried about burn-in... ever since i've heard pany's used a new blue phosphor that matched traditional crt's in half-life, i just forgot about break in whatsoever... i never broke-in my plasma with any safe settings (i played videogames, watched in 4x3, and 2.35:1)

i think the white sheet wasn't updated for the new model plasmas. maybe i'm wrong, but didn't the owner's manual speak about burn-in on older models, but new owner's manuals don't mention it at all?

well bottom line, i never broke-in my plasma, treated it as a regular tv and have never seen any burn-in (owned for 6 months now)

The idea of running a "brand new" PDP (unmonitered?) for 100 hours non-stop... doesn't make sense to me.Point well taken optivity.


i don't know why everyone is so worried about burn-in... ever since i've heard pany's used a new blue phosphor that matched traditional crt's in half-life, i just forgot about break in whatsoever... i never broke-in my plasma with any safe settings (i played videogames, watched in 4x3, and 2.35:1)

i think the white sheet wasn't updated for the new model plasmas. maybe i'm wrong, but didn't the owner's manual speak about burn-in on older models, but new owner's manuals don't mention it at all?

well bottom line, i never broke-in my plasma, treated it as a regular tv and have never seen any burn-in (owned for 6 months now)Thanks, vnguyen. This is exactly the kind of experience I was hoping to hear about. You give me confidence to let 'er rip. We don't need no stinking burn-in precautions! :D Seriously though, my nature is to be cautious, but hopefully not too anal.

optivity's language my have been a bit strong in his original response, but the gist of what he said is correct. It may not do any great harm to run a continuous loop for four days, but it is unnecessary. And you should still exercise reasonable caution for the next 900 hours either way.

Why not just set the picture control under 50% and keep the set at full screen most of the time for the first month, and just enjoy the picture? That is no hardship for most owners. The occasional 2.35:1 movie or watching some 4:3 with grey side bars during that time isn't going to do the set any damage either. I'd even venture that, if need be, cranking up the picture enough to enjoy your favorite NFL team during daytime once a week is also harmless.

That's pretty much how I broke mine in (last year's 25/u model), and I've never had any problem. (And, no, there was no mention of break-in in my manual either, another reason to believe the issue has become overblown in some minds.)

If you'd rather just get the break-in period over with, fine, but it really isn't a big deal.

I dont worry about break-in, it does NOT say anything in my PM50's owner manual about burn-in/break/in, it's factory set at vivid!!
Let her burn baby!!
Plus i bought at Costco's no worries here mate!!

optivity's language my have been a bit strong in his original response, but the gist of what he said is correct. It may not do any great harm to run a continuous loop for four days, but it is unnecessary. And you should still exercise reasonable caution for the next 900 hours either way.

Why not just set the picture control under 50% and keep the set at full screen most of the time for the first month, and just enjoy the picture? That is no hardship for most owners. The occasional 2.35:1 movie or watching some 4:3 with grey side bars during that time isn't going to do the set any damage either. I'd even venture that, if need be, cranking up the picture enough to enjoy your favorite NFL team during daytime once a week is also harmless.

That's pretty much how I broke mine in (last year's 25/u model), and I've never had any problem. (And, no, there was no mention of break-in in my manual either, another reason to believe the issue has become overblown in some minds.)

If you'd rather just get the break-in period over with, fine, but it really isn't a big deal.

I completely agree with you, Macfan424. I set everything at 50% and on Standdard and have been fine for the past month. I see much bigger of a deal made on rhis forum from some people, than what is made of it in the Panny manual. As a matter of fact, the only reason I heeded the break-in/burn-in scenario in the first place was when I read Bruzzi's FAQ.

Realax, just tone down the picture a bit and then enjoy! I see no loss of PQ with my current settings. I think too much is made of burn-in, IMHO.

nc

i don't know why everyone is so worried about burn-in... ever since i've heard pany's used a new blue phosphor that matched traditional crt's in half-life, i just forgot about break in whatsoever... i never broke-in my plasma with any safe settings (i played videogames, watched in 4x3, and 2.35:1)

i think the white sheet wasn't updated for the new model plasmas. maybe i'm wrong, but didn't the owner's manual speak about burn-in on older models, but new owner's manuals don't mention it at all?

well bottom line, i never broke-in my plasma, treated it as a regular tv and have never seen any burn-in (owned for 6 months now)It's interesting to note that for every person who reports no problems with image retention (I'm in this camp) another reports burn-in problems with their PDP. I wonder how much abuse these panels receive before image retention becomes evident?

"optivity" will confess to displaying some limited 4:3 SD or upconverted HD with black/gray bars and the occasional DVD with 2.35:1 OAR. :eek:

My paranoia about image retention has diminished over time and provided the individual uses some degree of 'sanity' in their viewing habits there is a low risk of burn-in damage to a PDP.

I still recommend being cautious for the first 100 hours and careful during the next 900. It's best to use the full 16:9 display whenever possible to insure even phosphor wear.

Hey Bud-Man, I bought mine at Costco too. What is exactly their return policy? I just notice that they say you have to be 100% satisfied. Is there a time limit, etc.?

For the newer folks here, take a look at this in additon to the Panasonic White Paper: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3424/273087528Pioneer%20DTV%20White%20Paper%20-%20FINAL.pdf

They tortured brand new plasmas with 48 hours of static images after an intitial break-in period and didn't get any permanent image retention. There's alot of other comparisons of plasma to other display technologies too.

Of course, the study was sponsored by Pioneer so it's subject to some bias, but it still seems well done. It made me feel better.

For another take on image retention, here is what Pioneer recently said on the subject:...you should be careful about leaving a static image on screen for really long periods of time. The IDC/ISF study found that a static image left on the plasma for 48 hours will create a "ghost" effect where you can still see that image after the TV is turned off. The good news is that the ghosting was virtually erased after a regular DVD loop ran on the screen for 24 hours. So whether you pause for 5, 10 or even 60 minutes, the IDC/ISF study found it extremely unlikely that any static image will be noticeable or left on the screen.
Pioneer's white paper pdf entitled "Mythbusting - Just the Facts on Plasma TV Performance" can be found here. (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3424/273087528Pioneer%20DTV%20White%20Paper%20-%20FINAL.pdf)

Opps, cpcat posted the same link while I was typing. :o

Hey Bud-Man, I bought mine at Costco too. What is exactly their return policy? I just notice that they say you have to be 100% satisfied. Is there a time limit, etc.?
cleoreve...no time limit as of right now.

Based on the Panny White paper they suggest turning the Picture control to 50%. When I spoke to a local Panny technician, they said a setting of 15 or less (+30 being max). I don't think the '0' setting is what they meant by the 50% . Could a PhD in Theoretical Mathematics please respond to what we should be setting the Picture and Brightness to based on the Panny white paper.

Opps, cpcat posted the same link while I was typing. :o


We had a Vulcan Mind Meld. :D

Based on the Panny White paper they suggest turning the Picture control to 50%. When I spoke to a local Panny technician, they said a setting of 15 or less (+30 being max). I don't think the '0' setting is what they meant by the 50% . Could a PhD in Theoretical Mathematics please respond to what we should be setting the Picture and Brightness to based on the Panny white paper.I’m not sure if one will… but you can read about the benefits of the "Multi-Facet Asymmetrical Configuration Hyper-Pixel" combined with a flux capacitor and 1.21 jigawatts of electricity... (click -->) here (<-- click) (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6417129&&#post6417129)

Just noticed something weird on my Panny 37" PX50U. On regular TV and HD channels the screen is completely full. On digital channels (but not HD), the picture does not completely fill the screen. I have a vertical black strip on the very most left edge about 1/4" wide. Could this be the cable card doing some kind of whacky interpolation of the signal. Just switched channels again to espn and no issues. Back to some of he digital cable channels with Comcast and the line shows up - again at the very edge - almost as if the picture just does not go that far edge to edge. HD No problems. Any ideas?

Based on the Panny White paper they suggest turning the Picture control to 50%. When I spoke to a local Panny technician, they said a setting of 15 or less (+30 being max). I don't think the '0' setting is what they meant by the 50% . Could a PhD in Theoretical Mathematics please respond to what we should be setting the Picture and Brightness to based on the Panny white paper.

If you have -30 to +30... then 0 is 50%.

I believe this was answered a few times... but people have reponded differently.

Is it possible to set different picture settings for each input on PD50 ?! Some said yes, some said no?! Confused?!?!?

Is it possible to set different picture settings for each input on PD50 ?! Some said yes, some said no?! Confused?!?!?Yes and no :D

The consumer models don't have "Input Memory" per se, but they do have the ability to remember which Picture Mode you assigned to each input (Vivid, Standard, and Cinema) and these modes do remember what menu settings you selected, so you can use different Picture Modes for the different inputs and that works fairly well. I don't like to watch SD over Component because it looks poor sharing the HD settings so i use separate inputs for both formats, and use the most suitable Picture Mode for each. This works great because i can optimize the settings for HD and SD independently.

I use the Component input only for watching HD and set up a Vivid picture mode with Color Temp set to Normal and Black Level set to Light. Contrast is 25 and Brightness is +7.

I watch all my SD through the S-Video input and use the Standard picture mode with Color Temp set to Normal but Black Level set to Dark. Contrast is 30 and Brightness is -6.

It seems to be the way comcast is sending the signal for those programs. I have not seen a way to adjust the Just mode further (maybe in the service menu??)

As far as the 50% settings the technician told me that it was 50% of 0 to +30 = +15 or less. The numbers in the negative range I was told do not count. Anyways if you watch the TV at all "0" settings it looks really crappy and to do this for a 1000 hours is ridiculous. Having calibrated my Panny I am using +12 picture and +10 brightness and these settings look awesome. I will keep it like this permanently now that I am > 100 hours but still less than the 1000 hours.

Whats the deal with this?
Walk up to your set, stand at the side 2 feet away looking at the edge of screen i see the same screen projected 1" back, a reflection ,really see it with scores/letters like the outer glass is reflecting on the rear plasma glass!!
My PA25 NEVER did that!!!
So if your sitting on the side you get a double picture, which on a rare occasion with a room full of people over like the holidays my living room get's a lil tight.......i'm not happy about this!!!

Also i might add, i used a dvi to hdmi adapter and succesfully ran my HTPC on the HDMI connection, the screen was a lil too big, which i cannot adjust do to no vertical or horizontal adjustments, even resolution has no effect, most likely why panny doesnt recommend it.
HDMI is useless right now as the phase 3 moto 6412 has DD audio issues with the HDMI connection, so until Cox aka "Cocks" gets there arse in gear with a new firmware, which ive read in the PVR forum is 12.22, mine is 12.15 so i'm using component input.

It seems to be the way comcast is sending the signal for those programs. I have not seen a way to adjust the Just mode further (maybe in the service menu??)

As far as the 50% settings the technician told me that it was 50% of 0 to +30 = +15 or less. The numbers in the negative range I was told do not count. Anyways if you watch the TV at all "0" settings it looks really crappy and to do this for a 1000 hours is ridiculous. Having calibrated my Panny I am using +12 picture and +10 brightness and these settings look awesome. I will keep it like this permanently now that I am > 100 hours but still less than the 1000 hours.If your information is correct this is good news. From day 1 I've always had my panel on standard mode with the picture setting from +8 to +15. I agree that if the picture setting is 0 the PDP is not worth watching.

Currently, I have the picture setting at +12 for my "non-calibrated" PX50U. ;)

Whats the deal with this?
Walk up to your set, stand at the side 2 feet away looking at the edge of screen i see the same screen projected 1" back, a reflection ,really see it with scores/letters like the outer glass is reflecting on the rear plasma glass!!
My PA25 NEVER did that!!!
So if your sitting on the side you get a double picture, which on a rare occasion with a room full of people over like the holidays my living room get's a lil tight.......i'm not happy about this!!!If you intend to watch your panel to the side of the screen from a distance of 2 feet... I've got a 13" color TV (complete with internal VHS tape player) gathering dust in my basement... that I'd be willing to part with. :D

Another AVSF participant has reported that if he darts his eyes rapidly while watching his PDP through his fingers he can see the "dreaded" RBE effect! :eek: :rolleyes:

Ha Ha optivity, i noticed this the other day when getting something off my stand,i thought the inner and outer glass was almost touching each other?
It has to do with the newer outer glass, has more reflective properties then 6th generation glass.

Thanks dtrell. That almost seems too good to be true. That being the case, I don't see any need to purchase an extended warranty. Agree?

The MSRP of the 5060 is $6000. I have no clue as to why Pioneer put that on their website as absolutely no one will ever sell it at that price in the US. But truthfully, who buys a plasma at MSRP?

Regardless, most stores still sell the Panny x50u and the 5060 about $2,000 apart.

This made my decision easy to go with the Panny.

I would have went with the Pio if the pricing was probably within $500 or so.

Hi everyone - first thanks for the thread...I recently purchased the TH37PX50U and am in the middle of my burn-in period. The posts on this site helped my research greatly and I'm confident in my purchase. I'm anxiously awaiting this weekend when my 100 hours will be up and I can slightly raise the brightness to a more liveable level.

One question I have actually relates more to my Motorola 6412 HD box - I had to switch to this from TIVO so I'm getting used to a new remote. The best thing the TIVO remote did was have a way to set it up so that the volume button controlled your AV receiver. With this MOTO remote, you actually have to press "AUX" to control the receiver, and then "CABLE" again to go back to the box...so it is incredibly annoying and takes to many steps to simply adjust the volume, which is something we continually do through a broadcast.

Any suggestions? Has anyone seen any posts before on this topic? I realize it is menial, but from a practical use standpoint it is kind of a big deal.

Lastly - any suggestions on how much I can raise the brightness after I get through 100 hours? I know I still need to keep them lower if possible for the first 1000 hours...

With this MOTO remote, you actually have to press "AUX" to control the receiver, and then "CABLE" again to go back to the box...so it is incredibly annoying and takes to many steps to simply adjust the volume, which is something we continually do through a broadcast.

My Motorola remote (silver with a big OnDemand button) has a way to change it so the volume up/down goes to the Aux device. You should have gotten an instruction sheet with your remote that explains how to do it.

If you lost the instructions, follow this link. (http://www.comcast.com/remotes/?linkID=100)

With this MOTO remote, you actually have to press "AUX" to control the receiver, and then "CABLE" again to go back to the box...so it is incredibly annoying and takes to many steps to simply adjust the volume, which is something we continually do through a broadcast.

Lastly - any suggestions on how much I can raise the brightness after I get through 100 hours? I know I still need to keep them lower if possible for the first 1000 hours...Like Marty said it's possible to re-configure the 6412's remote to operate the TV's volume when the remote is in DVR mode. I did this on my Mom's 6412 using the instructions provided.

As for raising your panel's brightness, i think you actually want to increase the Picture setting instead. I have my Brightness set low to improve black level then set the Picture setting way high to make the picture brighter.

The idea of running a "brand new" PDP (unmonitered?) for 100 hours non-stop... doesn't make sense to me.
A fair statement to make...I mean, how many folks would even consider running their brand-new vehicles 500 miles (or whatever number of miles the manufacturer suggests) non-stop in order to break-in the engine? I mean, that's around 8 hours of non-stop driving...depending on how fast you drive and assuming that you can even get 500 miles out of a single tank of gas. ;)

Thanks for the responses...I figured there must be a way - it would be ludicrous otherwise...however, I still don't see the directions (sorry if I'm dense here). The instructions provided just gave the codes for each device and no cross controlling instructions. The link above doesn't show a picture of the remote I got from Cox with my 6412 box...

I use my 6412 cable remote for volume and menu access, just add the panny code and your set

Never mind guys - thanks...I found something on the Cox site...

Wasn't included with my box.

So what's the consensus here on calibrating? I'm having trouble getting my settings down since every channel is different, but the biggest problems I'm having are way overdone greens and overdone reds...

Do you guys use the Color Management ON or OFF?

Thanks dtrell. That almost seems too good to be true. That being the case, I don't see any need to purchase an extended warranty. Agree?
absolutely...as long as the policy holds.

Whats the deal with this?
Walk up to your set, stand at the side 2 feet away looking at the edge of screen i see the same screen projected 1" back, a reflection ,really see it with scores/letters like the outer glass is reflecting on the rear plasma glass!!
My PA25 NEVER did that!!!
So if your sitting on the side you get a double picture, which on a rare occasion with a room full of people over like the holidays my living room get's a lil tight.......i'm not happy about this!!!

You sure? This is normal and a quality of all pdp's due to the multiple layers of glass that absorb reflections. My PD25 did this. My PX500 does this. But you have to be at a rediculous angle to see this - well beyond what anyone would watch TV at. Non-issue to me.

Also i might add, i used a dvi to hdmi adapter and succesfully ran my HTPC on the HDMI connection, the screen was a lil too big, which i cannot adjust do to no vertical or horizontal adjustments, even resolution has no effect, most likely why panny doesnt recommend it.
HDMI is useless right now as the phase 3 moto 6412 has DD audio issues with the HDMI connection, so until Cox aka "Cocks" gets there arse in gear with a new firmware, which ive read in the PVR forum is 12.22, mine is 12.15 so i'm using component input.

You can use a "resolution within a resoultion" in Powerstrip to resolve this issue of the edges of the screen being cut off via DVI/HDMI. This is due to overscan. A search in the HTPC forum should help you out if you're interested in solving this one.

Also i might add, i used a dvi to hdmi adapter and succesfully ran my HTPC on the HDMI connection, the screen was a lil too big, which i cannot adjust do to no vertical or horizontal adjustments, even resolution has no effect, most likely why panny doesnt recommend it.
HDMI is useless right now as the phase 3 moto 6412 has DD audio issues with the HDMI connection, so until Cox aka "Cocks" gets there arse in gear with a new firmware, which ive read in the PVR forum is 12.22, mine is 12.15 so i'm using component input.

Whoa, is this right? Does this mean you can use a scaler like the DVDO with the consumer model over HDMI? Can you feed native resolution?

I didn't think this was possible with the consumer model. Man, I hope it is.

Thanks to all the knowledge and people in this forum :). My Panny arrived and I just love it.
My next step is to upgrade my DVD player from my old non progressive scan Pioneer. What DVD players are the current owner's happy with?

1. Looks like I should stay away from Faroudja 23xx chip for macro blocking reasons. That eliminates the Panny S77/S97 and the Oppo.
2. The Sony's have a shifting problem.

I dont want to spend more than 200 dollars on the DVD player, and want to make sure that I buy the best available within that much that has been tried and tested by experts.. which would be none other than all of you current Panny plasma owners.

"Problems"
1)Once turned off for a minute or two, my px50 clicks several times.
2) Wheln initially turned on, screen freezes for minutes with no control functios working.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.--Thanks

"Problems"
1)Once turned off for a minute or two, my px50 clicks several times.
2) Wheln initially turned on, screen freezes for minutes with no control functios working.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.--Thanks


I have the same issue as you mention in #1, also with my PX50U. I thought maybe it was cablecard related; like a reset or something.

nc

BTW, I have a cablecard(cablevision)

"Problems"
1)Once turned off for a minute or two, my px50 clicks several times.
2) Wheln initially turned on, screen freezes for minutes with no control functios working.Are you using a Cablecard? I had this happen a few times when i was using a Cablecard for a two-week trial. I turned the Cablecard in and it hasn't happened since.

Had the same problem with my Panny 37, turned in the cable card and got a new one. Fixed the problem and have not had this problem for well over 2 months now.

Thanks to all the knowledge and people in this forum :). My Panny arrived and I just love it.
My next step is to upgrade my DVD player from my old non progressive scan Pioneer. What DVD players are the current owner's happy with?

1. Looks like I should stay away from Faroudja 23xx chip for macro blocking reasons. That eliminates the Panny S77/S97 and the Oppo.
2. The Sony's have a shifting problem.

I dont want to spend more than 200 dollars on the DVD player, and want to make sure that I buy the best available within that much that has been tried and tested by experts.. which would be none other than all of you current Panny plasma owners.

I'd love to know the answer to this questions too, as I'm going to be getting a new HD plasma very soon.

I have a 50" Panny PX500U and my neighbor has the 42" 50U. We are both having a problem once in awhile of one or two of the local channels just vanishing (they won't come up)....and then we have to RESCAN all the channels, then they are "back" ok. Anyone else have this problem, and any ideas on how to fix this minor problem? Of course, these plasmas are just great in every other aspect. Thanks, Bruce.

Any word when the px500u will be available in any quantity, I have found them out of stock at most stores, and those that have them its mostly $msrp. :(
Did Panasonic goof up on the production or misjudge the popularity of this set?

Hopefully soon, Many people out there waiting.

I could have bought and taken delivery of a a car in less time

bmsprague, the tuner on my Panasonic 42PD50U also tends to "lose" digital channels if there is a signal problem. (Meaning, even when the signal is restored, the TV won't tune to that channel again without a rescan.) My 42PD50 occasionally loses OTA and cable channels due to this issue. Seems to me the digital tuner should be much more robust than this.

I just wish my 42PD50U would get all the QAM cable stations it's supposed to, I can't get my local FOX HD or PBS HD over cable (but they are OK on OTA.) So if something is on FOX I have to do a rescan using antenna mode for it, then after it's over, do a rescan for my cable channels again. It's very clumsy not to be able to switch from Cable to Antenna and vice versa without doing a rescan.

Panasonic; I love my picture, but you need a more powerful/convienient tuner setup, and more RF inputs.

bmsprague, the tuner on my Panasonic 42PD50U also tends to "lose" digital channels if there is a signal problem. (Meaning, even when the signal is restored, the TV won't tune to that channel again without a rescan.) My 42PD50 occasionally loses OTA and cable channels due to this issue. Seems to me the digital tuner should be much more robust than this.

I just wish my 42PD50U would get all the QAM cable stations it's supposed to, I can't get my local FOX HD or PBS HD over cable (but they are OK on OTA.) So if something is on FOX I have to do a rescan using antenna mode for it, then after it's over, do a rescan for my cable channels again. It's very clumsy not to be able to switch from Cable to Antenna and vice versa without doing a rescan.

Panasonic; I love my picture, but you need a more powerful/convienient tuner setup, and more RF inputs.


Better off with a tunerless PM50 from Costco's, get a DVR and you'll never turn back, plus with the long as they sell it price match it's a no brainer.
I get a kick out of some of you here, spend thousands on a plasma and are too "cheap" for $10 a month STB, thats the reason you passify your purchase, if it has a tuner i will same 100's of dollars in the long run.....yea the agggrevation like your having is NOT worth it.
Without a cablecard it's WORTHLESS!!

Are you using a Cablecard? I had this happen a few times when i was using a Cablecard for a two-week trial. I turned the Cablecard in and it hasn't happened since.Since you obtain better performance with an STB instead of a CableCARD, is it possible to show us your PDP's status screen for a HD channel? I'd like to see the values for SNR, etc., and determine how many splits to the coax cable (if any) comprise your set-up. Here is an example of what my TV reports:

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/px50u_1.210.JPG

Since you obtain better performance with an STB instead of a CableCARD, is it possible to show us your PDP's status screen for a HD channel? I'd like to see the values for SNR, etc., and determine how many splits to the coax cable (if any) comprise your set-up.Yikes, looks like Service Menu stuff. I don't mess with the service menu and don't even know how to get into it. And i no longer have the cablecard.....

I only have one splitter - it's located behind the TV and feeds the TV's RF input and the two DVRs. It's a good one supplied by the cable technician and does not degrade the picture quality one bit. I have one single direct run of new RG6 from the pole outside straight to this splitter behind the TV with no other splits along the way (i helped the technician run the cable several months ago). Even if i remove the RG6 run from the splitter and connect it straight to the TV the SD picture still isn't as good as it is through the regular SA8000 via S-Video. What i might try is to connect the 8000 to the TV with the RF cable instead of S-Video which forces me to see the 8000 over Channel 3 of the TV's tuner and see how it compares to the S-Video input.

Network HD does look better through the TV's tuner than it does on my 8000HD (over component). It's SD where the STB outperforms the TV's tuner.

I have a 50" Panny PX500U and my neighbor has the 42" 50U. We are both having a problem once in awhile of one or two of the local channels just vanishing (they won't come up)....and then we have to RESCAN all the channels, then they are "back" ok. Anyone else have this problem, and any ideas on how to fix this minor problem? Of course, these plasmas are just great in every other aspect. Thanks, Bruce.


Yes same here also. I have this problem from time to time. What I think, is that the local channel has a week signal and when the Panny tries to lock on it will loss it and even if the stations comes back stronger it will not tune it back in. I had to rescan also to bring it back in line. It is a pain. Also it will be out for days and never come back in only way is to rescan.

Mike

A 50" looking like a CRT?, def not on any SD material for sure, a 42" has a hard time looking anything close to a CRT on the same SD channel.
Ok, here is my experience. My wife and me went to a CC store a week ago to pick up a tv under 2K after taxes, delivery, stand. Only liked sony 36xs955 tube and pana 42pd50. Did not like lcd or projection at all. In the store both tvs had dvd-like feed and sony tybe looked sharper and cleaner and was $400 cheaper. So we went with a tube. After they brought it to our master bedroom we realized we made a mistake as it was too bulky even for our bedroom, which is 18'x17' (comparing with a coffin, etc). So, after 2 days back went the tube and in came the plasma.

I did not have an hd signal, but I compared SD and DVD after playing with settings on both. DVD outside bright scenes: in original format both looks excellent with the same clarity and sharpness. When you start to zoom (as you have with most, even widescreen dvds) PQ starts degrading on both. The trick is that you have to zoom much more on 42' plasma compared with smaller tube. Of course, this degrading is very obvius when you stand right in front of it. From the 12'-13' it's Ok. DVD inside shadow scenes (I used "million dollar baby"): Plasma beats tube fair and square. Much better contrast and bigger range of adjustment. I saw the same with SD: plasma is equally sharp and beats tube in contrast in challenging scenes. I am not sure where all this "my old small tube beats new plasma for SD" comes from. Maybe it's true for hd or old plasmas - I don't know. I was able to compare best ED and the best tube you can buy (XS series is basically the same as XBR) and I did not see it.

So, for us it was a design issue (would you pay $400 to change, for example, wallpaper in your bedroom). I would be happy with tube too - for it's cheaper price and turn it on and leave attitude - for plasmas you have to zoom all the way every time you watch a new dvd and be aware of the possibility of the burn-in - annoyance for me. Just don't give me "CRT is still the king" crap.

Thanks to all the knowledge and people in this forum :). My Panny arrived and I just love it.
My next step is to upgrade my DVD player from my old non progressive scan Pioneer. What DVD players are the current owner's happy with?

1. Looks like I should stay away from Faroudja 23xx chip for macro blocking reasons. That eliminates the Panny S77/S97 and the Oppo.
2. The Sony's have a shifting problem.

I dont want to spend more than 200 dollars on the DVD player, and want to make sure that I buy the best available within that much that has been tried and tested by experts.. which would be none other than all of you current Panny plasma owners.

I too would like to know the answer to 1 & 2 also, I did not know problems with Panasonic and Sony.

Thanks :)

...for plasmas you have to zoom all the way every time you watch a new dvd...
Maybe it's just a terminology misunderstanding, but you shouldn't have to "Zoom" your plasma when watching most DVD's. If your player is set for a 16:9 TV, all you should have to do is use "Full" on the plasma, which does indeed yield a picture as good or better than a CRT.

I agree with your premise that your plasma can hold it's own with a comparable sized CRT on SD picture quality, at least if you use the original aspect ratio. When set on 4:3, my 42" plasma stands up quite well compared to my 32" Sony. It does seem more sensitive to poor signal quality, but I'm not sure that isn't because of my heightened expectations for the plasma. (My CRT is only used for DVD's now. It doesn't have a decent OTA antenna, so I'm relying on memory for that part, an unreliable approach, I'll admit.)

The various stretch or zoom modes do yield a softer picture, but that is to be expected. The CRT I had before the Sony had a "Zoom" mode, and it looked dreadful. :eek:

Soon I will buy the 42" Panny EDTV at Costco. I have a few questions:

I have a Comcast STB which is HD (also DVR)--I assume this will work on the Costco Panny?

What type of cables would be best to use? Component-DVI or HDMI?

Will I be able to receive ALL the current HD offerings from Comcast?

I assume I should have no problems hooking up my DVD player and my surround sound?? Any input on this?

Does anyone know the difference between the Costco Panny and the one (for example) at Circuit City (TH42PD50U)??? They look like the same EDTV models but after reading some comments here I wonder what might be different.

I believe I will be a lot better off getting whatever cables I need from on online suppler--they do charge a LOT at CC. Anyone--do you note any quality differences using online cables?

Thanks for your help

The Comcast STB will work, but how you connect depends on which type of DVR. I have the SA8300 and it has an HDMI (Video and Sound), which I use (it is good for me because I don't have a sound system for the Panny and thus I save some cabling). When I had the Moto6412 it was DVI (Video only) and I didn't use it.

The HD you receive is based upon the Comcast plan and premium channels you buy, not the TV.

I'm not aware of any problems with hooking up peripheral equipment to the Panny. I have the HD version, but I haven't heard any differences.

I bought mine at Tweeter so I can't comment on Costco.

Rich N.

Does anyone know the difference between the Costco Panny and the one (for example) at Circuit City (TH42PD50U)??? They look like the same EDTV models but after reading some comments here I wonder what might be different...
Outside of the cosmetics, they are the same, except the Costco version, 42PM50U, lacks the built-in tuner for OTA signals found in the more commonly available 42PD50U.

Thank you. We are located in an area where we have no access to OTA so this looks like it will work great for me.

I just called Comcast and they have a new HD STB DVR which is HDMI capable--I will just trade out my old HD STB and be good to go--I think.

Quick question about s-video / composite hook ups. The PD or PM50U have two component (Com 1 & Com 2), one HDMI (HDMI) and two composite (Video 1 & Video 2) inputs. The two composite inputs have an S-video connection available also. I understand if you hook up something to the S-Video connection, the video composite cable should not be used, only the audio L & R. If I use S-Video on Video 1 can I also hook up a straight composite (all three cables) or the S-Video to Video-2 from another source and have them both work independently? I thought I read somewhere that if you used the S-Video on either Video 1 or Video 2 the other would not work. Help please!

Quick question about s-video / composite hook ups. The PD or PM50U have two component (Com 1 & Com 2), one HDMI (HDMI) and two composite (Video 1 & Video 2) inputs. The two composite inputs have an S-video connection available also. I understand if you hook up something to the S-Video connection, the video composite cable should not be used, only the audio L & R. If I use S-Video on Video 1 can I also hook up a straight composite (all three cables) or the S-Video to Video-2 from another source and have them both work independently? I thought I read somewhere that if you used the S-Video on either Video 1 or Video 2 the other would not work. Help please!
The only "problem" is if you try to use S-Video and composite on the same input, e.g. both on Video 1. S-Video always takes precedence.

You can use S-Video on Video 1 and composite on Video 2 if you like (or vice versa) or either S-Video or component on both. All the other inputs are unaffected. You can use any combination you want.

Soon I will buy the 42" Panny EDTV at Costco. I have a few questions:

I have a Comcast STB which is HD (also DVR)--I assume this will work on the Costco Panny?

What type of cables would be best to use? Component-DVI or HDMI?

Will I be able to receive ALL the current HD offerings from Comcast?

I assume I should have no problems hooking up my DVD player and my surround sound?? Any input on this?

Does anyone know the difference between the Costco Panny and the one (for example) at Circuit City (TH42PD50U)??? They look like the same EDTV models but after reading some comments here I wonder what might be different.

I believe I will be a lot better off getting whatever cables I need from on online suppler--they do charge a LOT at CC. Anyone--do you note any quality differences using online cables?You should have no problem hooking up a Comcast HD DVR and DVD Player to the Costco Panny. The type of cables you use will depend on what kind of outputs the DVR and DVD player have. The TV has one HDMI and two Component inputs so you're pretty much covered. Sometimes HDMI looks better than component, but sometimes it doesn't. You won't know until you try it on your particular combination.

You can get all the HD channels that Comcast offers as long as you subscribe to the required digital and/or HD package(s) they offer.

The Costco Panny is discussed in the link below, but basically it's just like the 42PD50U except it has no tuners whatsoever, does not have Optical Audio output, and has a dark gray bezel instead of the all-silver one on the PD50.

Costco 42PM50U (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=588371)

Thanks MacFan. I sure get confused easily, but I think you've set me straight.

I get confused easily. Another question:

I have a Samsung DVD player with a DVI connection from the DVD to the TV (presently). It appears that the Panny EDTV does not have a DVI connection--what will I have to do to connect my DVD to the TV?

tuscanbob get a dvi to hdmi cable or just hook it up thru component, plenty of cables on e-bay cheap.

Thanks--but if the TV has only 1 HDMI connection, which will be used for the STB to TV connection, then I will have to use components from DVD to TV. Further-- what does that do to my ability to connect from my Surround to the TV?

Gets a bit more complex as we go. Appreciate the help!

To further complicate the issue I now note that Costco has a Maxent MX-42X3(HDTV) for only $100 more than the Panasonic EDTV. It appears that this Maxent model has many Panasonic components. It also has more connections , which would appear to be more compatible with my needs.

Any thoughts on this Maxent?

Thoroughly confused the more I study and research.....

Tucsonbob---
The debate rages on in this thread between the Costco Maxent 42 and the Panny PM50U. Maxent is HD and I understand has a PC capable connection whereas the Panny is ED and doesn't. I don't think you can go wrong with either choice from what I read here. Afterall with Costco's benevolent return policy, if you don't like one take it back and buy the other.

I regards to Costco's return policy. Has anyone ever tried to return a plasma after say 6 months of watching? Right away I could see but until the TV is really past the break-in period you really do not see the true capabilities of the TV. I am sure they say one thing but returning the TV after a good few months or even a years worth of use??? I would think you would have a fight on your hands.

trojan,,,no fight...its their policy plain and simple. they will take it back without argument.

I just received my 42px500u. I guess people are starting to get them in stock again. Thanks to all on this site that have helped me do extensive research over the past few months finding the right tv. I also have a 50px500u on backorder that should ship mid november.

I am currently breaking in the tv with low picture and brightness settings as recommended from others on this site. I am very anxious to turn the settings up since the current settings are rather drab. Is there any downside to leaving the tv on all day while I am at work to speed up the process assuming it is on a channel without a ticker, logo, etc.

Thanks again all, now I'm working on the "A" part of the AV.

NEWBIE!

Greetings

If you are careful, running it a higher light output during the breakin is fine. Just mix it up.

If you still manage to damage it, then you were simply not careful enough.

Regards

I just received my 42px500u.

I am currently breaking in the tv with low picture and brightness settings as recommended from others on this site. I am very anxious to turn the settings up since the current settings are rather drab. Is there any downside to leaving the tv on all day while I am at work to speed up the process assuming it is on a channel without a ticker, logo, etc.It won't hurt the TV. I couldn't stand the dreary low settings i used during break in so i left the TV on all night a few times to hurry up the process (either on a channel w/o a ticker or bug or playing a full screen DVD on repeat). After i got a hundred hours on it i cut loose with the picture setting and got it to look as punchy as the old 32" HD Tube TV it replaced.

2 or 3 times a day, my picture will get these wierd lines through it. The picture itself doesn't distort, just some form of interference. It only happens using the Dishnetwork 811, inputting via the HDMI input. I've swapped out both the 811, and the DVI/HDMI cable, but still have the problem. Panny knows about this, and so does one of their service reps. The problem is so intermittent, they're not in a big hurry to try and repair it, fearing they'll have trouble getting it to repeat the problem. The service teck doesn't want to come over and watch tv for half a day, waiting for the problem to pop up. I think it's in the HDMI input circuitry, but they don't want to fix it until they know for sure. By turning the plasma off for a few seconds, then turning back on, the lines will disappear.

I have pictures, but they're all over 500kb's so I can't attach them. I'm getting discouraged. If Panny doesn't want to fix it, would they cross ship me a new one?? I still have the old box, and packaging.


Thanks,
Terry

2 or 3 times a day, my picture will get these wierd lines through it. The picture itself doesn't distort, just some form of interference. It only happens using the Dishnetwork 811, inputting via the HDMI input. I've swapped out both the 811, and the DVI/HDMI cable, but still have the problem. Panny knows about this, and so does one of their service reps. The problem is so intermittent, they're not in a big hurry to try and repair it, fearing they'll have trouble getting it to repeat the problem. The service teck doesn't want to come over and watch tv for half a day, waiting for the problem to pop up. I think it's in the HDMI input circuitry, but they don't want to fix it until they know for sure. By turning the plasma off for a few seconds, then turning back on, the lines will disappear.

I have pictures, but they're all over 500kb's so I can't attach them. I'm getting discouraged. If Panny doesn't want to fix it, would they cross ship me a new one?? I still have the old box, and packaging.


Thanks,
Terry

I wouldn't assume it's the TV's problem until you've duplicated it with another separate HDMI source. The Dish 811 has been a problematic unit. Maybe you could borrow a DVD player with a DVI/HDMI output.

I regards to Costco's return policy. Has anyone ever tried to return a plasma after say 6 months of watching? Right away I could see but until the TV is really past the break-in period you really do not see the true capabilities of the TV. I am sure they say one thing but returning the TV after a good few months or even a years worth of use??? I would think you would have a fight on your hands.


Week ago i returned my PA25 after 7 months to Costco's no problems whatsoever, i packed up in the box as new and they asked if it was ever used..haha.
They asked if it was resellable, i said sure, like my Akai i returned after 2 weeks they said that was going in the trash compactor........joke?

cpcat,

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll see if I can come up with one somewhere, but there's still not too many of them around. Also, the next time it acts up, I'll take some pics at a lower resolution, post them, and see what everyone thinks.

Other than this minor inconvience, the tv is great, everyone raves about the picture, even though it's only ED.

I'm not complaining about Panny, or their service either, they just want to make sure that when they come to fix it, or get it, they'll be able to do it right the first time.

I really enjoy this avsforum, great place to get info, and post problems like mine,

Peace,
Terry

I wouldn't assume it's the TV's problem until you've duplicated it with another separate HDMI source. The Dish 811 has been a problematic unit. Maybe you could borrow a DVD player with a DVI/HDMI output.The same goes for the SA8300HD-DVR... what an STB POS these units are... the HDMI connections for these boxes are "flakey" at best.

The same goes for the SA8300HD-DVR... what an STB POS these units are... the HDMI connections for these boxes are "flakey" at best.

The DVI output of the Motorola 6412 HD-DVR is finicky as well going into the HDMI of my PD50, I will get "handshake" issues when I power up the set sometimes with crazy lines, or a double image on-screen. Typically switching to an analog channel or powering down the set fixes it. This isn't something I'd classify as a problem that Panny could "fix".

The same goes for the SA8300HD-DVR... what an STB POS these units are... the HDMI connections for these boxes are "flakey" at best.

I've had pretty good luck with the Hughes HTL-HD D* receiver. It's made by LG. LG is apparently partnering again with D* to make the new MPEG 4 boxes as well :) .

One thing I miss about my TIVO is the networking - I use to listen to music stored on my computer (in the other room) and look at pictures with the USB wireless adapter...I can't see any functionality like that in the Motorola 6412 box...

Anyone have any suggestions?

The DVI output of the Motorola 6412 HD-DVR is finicky as well going into the HDMI of my PD50, I will get "handshake" issues when I power up the set sometimes with crazy lines, or a double image on-screen. Typically switching to an analog channel or powering down the set fixes it. This isn't something I'd classify as a problem that Panny could "fix".

Get a newer phase 3 6412 with HDMI out, ALOT better SD encoding than before and i mean ALOT!! SD now almost looks HD quality!!
But the HDMI output has DD5:1 sound problems,if you care and a firmware is out but only a few cable co's are using it, i right now am using Component out to my PM50.
My phase 2 DVI 6412 displayed horrible quality esp on the lowest of channels, being cahnnel 2 CBS the worst!

Thanks for the tip...didn't realize these were available...now I just have to find a Comcast rep who knows what HDMI is....

Okay another newbie question. I think I already know the answer, but I'll throw it out there and see if I get any hits.
Watching "Rome" the other night. First time I have watched it on my panny PM50U. It was extremely dark as are a few other programs.

I had my settings with Picture +15 Brightness +-0 Color -7 Tint -1 Dark level to light

It was so dark, so I cranked up the Pricture to +25 and Brightness to +10 just to see if the PQ improved. It was still very dark.

Is this something you just live with with Plasma screens, when you are used to Sony Trinitron Wega CRT TV?

Cleoreve - nice to see someone else mention that black levels really stink. The pannys supposedly offer the best plasma black levels. I have a 50PX500 and couldn't wait to get out of the 100 hour break in period so I could crank up the levels. I've been incredibly disappoined watching Rome in HD using composite cables - West Wing, another very darkly lit show is similarly crappy - as well as over HDMI for a DVD on a Panny upscaling DVD player. I actually thought maybe I got a bad TV but have just come to accept that black levels really aren't even close to a regular TV.

I've tried the freebie optimizer on a couple of DVDs and even input the levels others have used with a pro calibration disk. I'm actually a little surprised that people don't complain more about it.

Cleoreve - nice to see someone else mention that black levels really stink. The pannys supposedly offer the best plasma black levels. I have a 50PX500 and couldn't wait to get out of the 100 hour break in period so I could crank up the levels. I've been incredibly disappoined watching Rome in HD using composite cables - West Wing, another very darkly lit show is similarly crappy - as well as over HDMI for a DVD on a Panny upscaling DVD player. I actually thought maybe I got a bad TV but have just come to accept that black levels really aren't even close to a regular TV.

I've tried the freebie optimizer on a couple of DVDs and even input the levels others have used with a pro calibration disk. I'm actually a little surprised that people don't complain more about it.

In general, Plasma is not as bright as other technologies. It does take a little while to become accustomed to it. That said, I run mine hotter than alot of folks I've seen here. My 50PX50U settings in Standard mode:
Pic 19
Brt 9
Color 0
Tint -5
Shp 0
Black level light
color mgn off

"Black level" performance is referring to how closely a display can produce true black. Excellent black levels produce a richer, more realistic appearing image. Shadow detail performance is I believe what you are referring to. This is also excellent IMO at least for the 50PX50U. AVIA/THX optimizer can help but don't be afraid to tweak a little based on your preferences. If you want more shadow detail, increase the brightness a few tics. The key is to find a setting where the blacks are still black but the shadow detail is also good. If you crank it up too high you'll lose the blacks and also you'll tend to see more artificial shadow detail which is typically very noisy as well.

Some productions have shadowy areas by design and the cinematographer doesn't always intend for you to see detail in all areas. This is where some sort of calibration or test pattern is helpful to get you in the ballpark. I try to give myself a little room to adjust to preference, but not stray too far.

As an aside, I assume when you said "composite" cables, you meant "component". If not, I can see why you'd be dissatisfied. :)

I understand what you say cpcat, but I'm still a little dissappointed in the the darkness of certain shows like the ones referenced above. It's hard to see the main characters, much less other objects in a dark room. I agree the PQ with my plasma is far superior (much clearer and more detailed) than my 32 inch Sony CRT. However, that said, I didn't realize I would have to give up so much of my perceived "brightness." Maybe over a period of time my eyes will adjust and appreciate the clarity and forget about seeing well in settings that are very dark. Thanks pgrokkos for your supportive comment.

In general, Plasma is not as bright as other technologies. It does take a little while to become accustomed to it. That said, I run mine hotter than alot of folks I've seen here. My 50PX50U settings in Standard mode:
Pic 19
Brt 9
Color 0
Tint -5
Shp 0
Black level light
color mgn off

I calibrated my 50” using the DVE disk after about 25 hours and my picture and brightness controls wound up at very similar levels to cpcat's (+22 and +10 on standard mode, black level set to ‘light’). At these settings I have not experienced any image retention or burn-in whatsoever (I do vary my viewing and watch 4:3 in 'just' mode) and I don't find my picture to be at all dark, even during the daytime in a room that gets a lot of sunlight. In fact my 32" CRT set is still in the same room and I've made many direct comparisons between the two (I do this to remind myself that it’s a good thing I spent over $3,000 on a television). I haven't seen Rome, but Sunday I ran a comparison while watching West Wing (which pgrokkos found to be very dark) and found the plasma to have better brightness and shadow detail than the CRT, with negligible differences in black levels. Granted the plasma was receiving HD and the CRT wasn’t calibrated but I always thought the CRT set had a good picture and there was just no comparison.

One thing to take note of when making your adjustments is when using the built-in tuner the black level is locked to 'dark' on SD channels and 'light' on HD. The component input allows you to choose.

Bottom line… if the picture's too dark, don't be afraid to turn up the controls until you're happy. The set won’t explode and if you can’t enjoy the picture what good is it?

This is for the new panny HDMI users......tell me if you notice some serious overscan using HDMI?

I'm starting to not like the hdmi input afterall, with my panny pm50u plasma connected to hdmi i get some serious overscan issues, i see about 1" more screen then with component, which is ok for HD broadcasts but when they switch back to side bar SD on commercials i will sometimes get a white bar on top of my screen pulsating, very annoying!
I had another panny plasma a PA25 which i had them connected side by side before i returned it,and i could see peoples faces on a boxing match that i couldnt see on component out on the pa, also i had my htpc hooked up to the pm50 and have the same overscan problem.
What i understand consumer plasma's have no overscan adjustment, i cant find any in the service menu.
I might just reserve the hdmi for a upconvert dvd player for now.

This is for the new panny HDMI users......tell me if you notice some serious overscan using HDMI?

I'm starting to not like the hdmi input afterall, with my panny pm50u plasma connected to hdmi i get some serious overscan issues, i see about 1" more screen then with component, which is ok for HD broadcasts but when they switch back to side bar SD on commercials i will sometimes get a white bar on top of my screen pulsating, very annoying!
I had another panny plasma a PA25 which i had them connected side by side before i returned it,and i could see peoples faces on a boxing match that i couldnt see on component out on the pa, also i had my htpc hooked up to the pm50 and have the same overscan problem.
What i understand consumer plasma's have no overscan adjustment, i cant find any in the service menu.
I might just reserve the hdmi for a upconvert dvd player for now.

I see this on both HDMI and component. Setting the overscan somewhat lower has the advantage of showing you more of the picture. The disadvantage is that if some stations are off a little, you may get some relative underscan as you describe. Personally, I'd rather have less overscan and see more of the picture.

This is for the new panny HDMI users......tell me if you notice some serious overscan using HDMI?

I'm starting to not like the hdmi input afterall, with my panny pm50u plasma connected to hdmi i get some serious overscan issues, i see about 1" more screen then with component, which is ok for HD broadcasts but when they switch back to side bar SD on commercials i will sometimes get a white bar on top of my screen pulsating, very annoying!
I had another panny plasma a PA25 which i had them connected side by side before i returned it,and i could see peoples faces on a boxing match that i couldnt see on component out on the pa, also i had my htpc hooked up to the pm50 and have the same overscan problem.
What i understand consumer plasma's have no overscan adjustment, i cant find any in the service menu.
I might just reserve the hdmi for a upconvert dvd player for now.
bud-man, you are experiencing "underscan" over hdmi, not overscan. overscan is when you can see LESS of the picture. you have more overscan over component on your set than on hdmi.

Has anyone been able to get the Pannys to pass HDMI Dolby Digital Input thru to the Optical outputs?

Thanks in advance

It won't hurt the TV. I couldn't stand the dreary low settings i used during break in so i left the TV on all night a few times to hurry up the process (either on a channel w/o a ticker or bug or playing a full screen DVD on repeat). After i got a hundred hours on it i cut loose with the picture setting and got it to look as punchy as the old 32" HD Tube TV it replaced.I'm with you on that, & have done the exact same thing. Just be careful when doing a DVD loop that you truly have it on a loop! When I repeated "Disc" originally on my Sony NS70H upscaling DVD player, it played the movie, extras w/ side bars, then stuck on menu! :eek: Luckily I caught it when checking it the first time, & changed the repeat setting to "Title" to properly loop the movie.

I'm enjoying my new 37" HD Panny plasma after 1 week. I'm struck particularly by the broad palette of colors. Turquoise, lavender, or other similar type colors are unbelievable to see! Only complaint so far is that it I can hear the fan in the back during very low or no volume. And the unit is not generating any heat at all like I had been led to believe...

Has anyone been able to get the Pannys to pass HDMI Dolby Digital Input thru to the Optical outputs?
I haven't, nor have I heard from anyone who had when mentioning this in the past. I've been told that HDCP will not allow digital audio through HDMI.

I didn't think that the Panny plasmas HAD fans ?!? Is this true for all Panasonic panels, consumer & commercial?

I didn't think that the Panny plasmas HAD fans ?!? Is this true for all Panasonic panels, consumer & commercial?

My 50PX50U has three. They are very silent however.

I tried hooking up a Panasonic S97 to my 50PHD8UK today (via HDMI) -- very disappointing results. This player looks fantastic on my 42 Panny EDTV (PWD8UK). Is it the jump to HD and bigger size that's exposing the limitations of DVD format --- or should I be using a different DVD player?

What are you guys using with positive results?

I tried hooking up a Panasonic S97 to my 50PHD8UK today (via HDMI) -- very disappointing results. This player looks fantastic on my 42 Panny EDTV (PWD8UK). Is it the jump to HD and bigger size that's exposing the limitations of DVD format --- or should I be using a different DVD player?

What are you guys using with positive results?

I am surprised that it is that bad. Have you tried other resolutions 720P or 1080i?

-- Rich

from my cox cableCard it does pass dolby digital out from the optical out. It should be the same for the HDMI. I haven't tried it thou

from my cox cableCard it does pass dolby digital out from the optical out. It should be the same for the HDMI. I haven't tried it thou

No.
In fact, there is no current set I'm aware of that will provide a DD 5.1 pass-through from the HDMI input to the TV's digital output. I'm unsure, but it may provide a 2 channel PCM signal. I think the Samsung DLP's do this. I don't have any HDMI sources so I can't check.

It *will* provide the DD 5.1 signal at the digital output when on the TV input whether via CableCard (as you said) or the TV's digital tuner.

I have tried 720p and 1080i. I can notice a difference, but it does not do much for the incredibly bad resolution. Not sharp at all. Tons of pixelization, jagged edges, and horrible definitition in dark parts of the screen.

I played with the settings both on the S97 and 50PHD8UK. The S97 is properly adjusted for the handshake to a Plasma HD via HDMI. On the 8Uk I have the brightness and contrast low-ish due to break-in, but even when I play with ALL picture settings none of my major problems changes.

Is it possible there would be such a huge difference between the 50" HD and 42" EDTV for this player?

I have tried 720p and 1080i. I can notice a difference, but it does not do much for the incredibly bad resolution. Not sharp at all. Tons of pixelization, jagged edges, and horrible definitition in dark parts of the screen.

I played with the settings both on the S97 and 50PHD8UK. The S97 is properly adjusted for the handshake to a Plasma HD via HDMI. On the 8Uk I have the brightness and contrast low-ish due to break-in, but even when I play with ALL picture settings none of my major problems changes.

Is it possible there would be such a huge difference between the 50" HD and 42" EDTV for this player?

This sounds strange. My friend bought a Bravo D2 for use with his 657UY. There is an advanced mode that allows you to enter the specific settings to deliver native rate (1366x768) to the Panny. It had an awesome picture, sharp and punchy. Native rate avoids additional scaling that is requried for 720P and 1080i. For the money, the Bravo D2 is great.

-- Rich

This sounds strange. My friend bought a Bravo D2 for use with his 657UY. There is an advanced mode that allows you to enter the specific settings to deliver native rate (1366x768) to the Panny. It had an awesome picture, sharp and punchy. Native rate avoids additional scaling that is requried for 720P and 1080i. For the money, the Bravo D2 is great.

-- Rich
what connection was he using?

Bravo D2 DVI

so the commercial pannys accept native rate over dvi?

Yes commercial panels for Pioneer and Panasonic accept native rate over DVI. The consumer models from Pioneer and Panasonic do not. Although, the Pioneer 61 may accept native rate since it is based on the NEC 61.

-- Rich

but form what ive read, the hdmi blades for them DO NOT accept native rate?

but form what ive read, the hdmi blades for them DO NOT accept native rate?

I have been able to get the HDMI board on my 657UY to accept native rate. Others report it works fine on the 7UY.

-- Rich

Originally Posted by keepsmyling
Thanks to all the knowledge and people in this forum . My Panny arrived and I just love it.
My next step is to upgrade my DVD player from my old non progressive scan Pioneer. What DVD players are the current owner's happy with?

1. Looks like I should stay away from Faroudja 23xx chip for macro blocking reasons. That eliminates the Panny S77/S97 and the Oppo.
2. The Sony's have a shifting problem.

I dont want to spend more than 200 dollars on the DVD player, and want to make sure that I buy the best available within that much that has been tried and tested by experts.. which would be none other than all of you current Panny plasma owners.

So many Panny owners....anyone care to help out a bit? (BTW, I am still considering the Panny and the Sony).

So many Panny owners....anyone care to help out a bit? (BTW, I am still considering the Panny and the Sony).


I would also be interested in a DVD player to purchase that will work with the Pana PX500U, which I have also not purchased yet, but looks good...to me.
Need to get rid of the Sony VCR :o

I am confused about the PX500U. I have been told that it uses 7th gen glass and that it doesn't have the same 14-bit processing capability thru HDMI that the PHD8UK has. On the Panny website it says that the glass is indeed 8th gen, but lists 2048 grayscale steps and doesn't mention anything about 14-bit depth using HDMI/DVI. Does anyone know for sure if the 500U will have the extra grayscale using HDMI??? I feel that this is crucial to dealing with false countouring...at least the part that has to do with the set and not the source. HELP

Has anybody purchased a different stand for their 42PX50U? If so, where did you buy it? Do you have any pictures you can share? I'm considering if I keep mine I will probably get a different stand for it. I like the stands that come with the Philips, how they are really low.

I was in Circuit City today, and salesperson told me that warranty on 50U does not include in-home service. I was considering the 50 or 500U over the 8UK because I didn't want to have to bring panel in. I'm guessing he was just wrong. Can anyone confirm this? Does the regular warranty on consumer models include in home service? Thanks.

I was in Circuit City today, and salesperson told me that warranty on 50U does not include in-home service. I was considering the 50 or 500U over the 8UK because I didn't want to have to bring panel in. I'm guessing he was just wrong. Can anyone confirm this? Does the regular warranty on consumer models include in home service? Thanks.

I can confirm that the salesperson is on crack. All consumer Panny's have in-home service. The commercial Panny's have carry-in the first year.

Yes commercial panels for Pioneer and Panasonic accept native rate over DVI. The consumer models from Pioneer and Panasonic do not. Although, the Pioneer 61 may accept native rate since it is based on the NEC 61.

-- Rich

What about native rate over component on the commercial models?

What about native rate over component on the commercial models?

Native rate is supported on all Panasonic commercial models on most input. I have not tried component but I am sure it works since the VGA and component can be configured to take component or RGB signals. Visual Apex includes the manufactures spec PDFs. Check them out for the model you are interested in.

-- Rich

I was in Circuit City today, and salesperson told me that warranty on 50U does not include in-home service. I was considering the 50 or 500U over the 8UK because I didn't want to have to bring panel in. I'm guessing he was just wrong. Can anyone confirm this? Does the regular warranty on consumer models include in home service? Thanks.


This is clearly stated in my 50PX50U's manual. The CC CSR is mistaken. What is funny is they actually seem to *think* they know what they're talking about and they do their best to convince you of the same.

Anyhow, just the mild PITA about CC.

Has anybody purchased a different stand for their 42PX50U? If so, where did you buy it? Do you have any pictures you can share? I'm considering if I keep mine I will probably get a different stand for it. I like the stands that come with the Philips, how they are really low.If you're talking about the factory table stand then nobody makes an aftermarket one. Peerless made a pretty neat one a few years ago but i've heard it's discontinued and it no longer appears on their website. I think the model number was a PLT BLK. It's kinda big but is adjustable and nice looking. It utilizes a mounting plate similar to a wall mount bracket. Expensive.

None of the other factory Panny stands wil fit the PD50/PX50 series (they have an incompatible support bar and different/incompatible posts/uprights).

In Germany their 42PX50 equivalent has a unique stand that uses the diamond-shaped base portion from the PX500U but with a special support bar to make it work with the PX50 underside. Unfortunately this German stand isn't available here or on any US mode.

I was in Circuit City today, and salesperson told me that warranty on 50U does not include in-home service. I was considering the 50 or 500U over the 8UK because I didn't want to have to bring panel in. I'm guessing he was just wrong. Can anyone confirm this? Does the regular warranty on consumer models include in home service? Thanks.

The standard warranty is for 1 year parts and labor and does include in home service. :)

I recently bought a Panasonic TH-42px50U at CC and at about the same time my son bought a Maxent 42 MX-42X3 at Costco. Price diff. is $1K. Both are HD . I helped my son with his plasma setup.

My observations:

1) They are quite comparable in PQ; similar charactertics -- same color rendition, good dark area details, stunning HD, so-so SD .

2) With my panny throttled down for contrast/brightness for the 1st 100hrs, his Maxent PQ looks far superior with default "Standard" setting (he's not going for that "break-in" period)

3) Some menu options are exactly the same: e.g. same Picture mode options: vivid, standard, cinema .

Did I pay $1K too much for about the same PQ ?

For those interested, I just got an email from Crutchfield that they have the 50PX50U in stock now!

Hi -- I just received my HP PL5000N today (Same as Panny 500 unit) ... any suggustions for the settings for breakin period ... and post break in period for the HDMI source input ?

Thank you!

BTW -- This thing is NICE.

I just calibrated my new 42PX50U yesterday and watched Star Wars III on it last night. Man what an awesome picture! This set is just amazing. I'm glad I purchased this set.

I read somewhere here that there was a comparison between the PX50U and 500U - I thought in Bruzzi's faq's. But I've been looking and can't seem to find it. Can anybody point me there? Thanks.

Hi -- I just received my HP PL5000N today (Same as Panny 500 unit) ... any suggustions for the settings for breakin period ... and post break in period for the HDMI source input ?

Thank you!

BTW -- This thing is NICE.

http://www.glaucobruzzi.com/plasma-faq/showthread.php?t=49

50% or less contrast setting is pretty dark to me. I've decided to enjoy my TV now and just try to fill the screen most of the time.

50PX50U
Standard
pic 19
brt 8
color 0
tint -5
shp 0
color mg off
black level light

I've gone back and forth between HDMI/DVI and component. I've decided I prefer component. It seems a little less noisy and the colors are more vibrant to me. This could obviously have to do with my source as well (Hughes HTL-HD D* reciever/OTA receiver)

The break-in period is independent of what input is used.

Hi all,

I seem to be having an issue using my DVR remote to control my 50px500. I believe I have the 2200 remote for the SA 8300 HD DVR. Anyway, has anyone been able to control their set using this equip? Any suggestions?

Also, I seem to be having issues with volume cntrol on the DVR using HDMI. I though I read somewhere there was an easy fix for this....anyone know what it is?

I read somewhere here that there was a comparison between the PX50U and 500U - I thought in Bruzzi's faq's. But I've been looking and can't seem to find it. Can anybody point me there? Thanks.You mean This One ? (http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelComparisonResults?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&catGroupId=24973&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702&surfCategory=Plasma%20TVs&items=93882|93192|)

Hi all,

I seem to be having an issue using my DVR remote to control my 50px500. I believe I have the 2200 remote for the SA 8300 HD DVR. Anyway, has anyone been able to control their set using this equip? Any suggestions?

Also, I seem to be having issues with volume cntrol on the DVR using HDMI. I though I read somewhere there was an easy fix for this....anyone know what it is?

I am using the TW remote from the 8300HD to control the 42px50U. I believe there are several remotes out there for use with the 8300. Mine is a RT-U61CP-1.6S (Yes really!) Check and see if your cable folks have any alternatives.

I am using the TV volume ("punched through" to the cable remote). You might hook up the analog audio feeds and try it that way -- note that you must change the appropriate audio settings in the TV menus. I really like the HDMI audio, as the analog audio has some hum while the HDMI audio is nice and quiet.

Craig

I posted this question in the general Plasma forum, but no concrete replies. Will a consumer Panny display a native pal source,ie DVD? I live in the US but a lot of friends send me DVDs from Europe. So far I have been watching them on the PC. Please before I buy my new Panny does anyone know the answer to this, Otherwise I will probably get a pal to ntsc converting DVD player. Thanks

I am using the TW remote from the 8300HD to control the 42px50U. I believe there are several remotes out there for use with the 8300. Mine is a RT-U61CP-1.6S (Yes really!) Check and see if your cable folks have any alternatives.

I am using the TV volume ("punched through" to the cable remote). You might hook up the analog audio feeds and try it that way -- note that you must change the appropriate audio settings in the TV menus. I really like the HDMI audio, as the analog audio has some hum while the HDMI audio is nice and quiet.

Craig


Thanks Craig i'll check out other remote options. my main issue is that I can't power on and off or adjust the volume. I had been using componant to hook it up, but once I hooked up the HDMI, I couldn't adjust the voume anymore! I could never power on or off though. I was hoping it was just a matter of programming the remote or something, but I can't seem to figure that part out either! Any other thoughts?

Can anyone check their tube and post the model number?

I have a maxent and it has a panny tube: MC127H27D8. Does anyone have this tube in their panny?

Thanks.

Hello -

A search did not turn up any answers so I thought I would post here. I'm looking for the overall height of the 50PX50U with the stand that comes with the unit.

Thanks in advance

I am seriouslly thinking of getting the Panny 500u, was ready to get an SXRD, but changed my mind. I'm looking for a little advice/insight if you will...Any thoughts out there on the current prices of these units and where they are heading? Do you think we will see any price drops by years end? I know Panny makes a commercial model...TH50PHD8UK...is it the same panel as the 500? I know it doesn't have a tuner, but really are there any other differences? I see a lot of people go that route, is it to save money, or perhaps they have a tuner and audio gear already and see no need for redundancy? Any help is greatly appreciated. I fully expect to be an owner one day real soon, and I can't wait. :D

I am seriouslly thinking of getting the Panny 500u, was ready to get an SXRD, but changed my mind. I'm looking for a little advice/insight if you will...Any thoughts out there on the current prices of these units and where they are heading? Do you think we will see any price drops by years end? I know Panny makes a commercial model...TH50PHD8UK...is it the same panel as the 500? I know it doesn't have a tuner, but really are there any other differences? I see a lot of people go that route, is it to save money, or perhaps they have a tuner and audio gear already and see no need for redundancy? Any help is greatly appreciated. I fully expect to be an owner one day real soon, and I can't wait. :D

I will be getting a commercial model soon. The 500U and 8UK are both 8th generation panels. Someone mentioned that the 8UK has less screen glare. I can tell you that for the most part people don't buy the 8UK because it's cheaper, although that's a good thing. Most people, including myself, use a STB and an external sound system. Most of these people prefer a cleaner look without the distractions of the consumer models. People who buy the 8UK include techies who like to play with the more advanced settings the commercial offers. Also, in addition to individual input settings, the commercial is more computer friendly. I plan on using it as an HTPC and there are lots of goodies to be had. The one main negative is unlike the consumer models, the first year Panny warranty is carry-in, so you must either ship or carry in the TV. Panny will pay for return shipping if at an authorized dealer. I just found out though that an extended warranty from Warrantech, which begins after the Panny expires, does include IN-HOME service. WOO-HOO!

Hello -

A search did not turn up any answers so I thought I would post here. I'm looking for the overall height of the 50PX50U with the stand that comes with the unit.

Thanks in advance

My 50PX50U stands 34.5 inches high including the pedestal stand.

I am seriouslly thinking of getting the Panny 500u, was ready to get an SXRD, but changed my mind. :D

What made you change your mind? Just curious I'm leaning to towards the PX50 or the SXRD.
Thanks,
Grateful11

What made you change your mind? Just curious I'm leaning to towards the PX50 or the SXRD.
Thanks,
Grateful11

I've been following the Rear Projection threads for quite some time now. I've come to some conclusions after all this time. Most of the other technologies are compromises and issues of one sort or another (not that Plasma doesn't have it's issues). Even the new LCOS sets have some issues. I think that Plasma has been around now for a goodly amount of time and they are proving themselves worthy of consideration. It seems that RP's have a higher customer dissatisfaction rate, if you read all the negatives in this and other forums. I also don't like the idea of spending hundreds of dollars every other year or so on a new bulb so I can watch TV. I don't like the flimsy screens...I would be afraid to clean one. I don't care for the depth of the units either. Styling wise, I don't think they can compare with most Plasmas.
As far as the SXRD, I've been reading about problems with blue hue. I haven't seen it myself, but I am a little leary of a new technology such as LCOS, especially now that people are reporting problems. perhaps the next generation SXRD will be more refined. I didn't like the Sony styling either...the speakers look awful to me. I know the set is 1080P, but that doesn't really matter that much since there isn't any programming to see at that resolution, and may not be any for quite some time. The sets are comparable in price in the 50" range and I think the Plasma has an equal picture, and maybe better color.
I'm not an expert or anything like that, these are just my observations and feelings, and they have lead me away from the RP's and into the Plasma world. Once I purchase my set I know I will be enjoying it for a long long time :)

Anyone familiar with the unit Costco has? (TH-50PM50U)

This at a very good price, Panasonic 50" looks and specs like a PX50.

I just got PD50... nice but not 100% happey with it :( colors are a bit off, actually quite a bit... kind of disappointed

It is made in Mexico :confused: could that be the cause? should I go and change it for a Japanese made one?!

Anyhow... I have Green push, as well as Purple/pink push! For the green push I played with Tint... (-4 or -5) fixes it... but then some reds show as "pink/purpel"... in "Just married" DVD, the red coat shows as purple and in most cases red shows as purple... but in Seinfeld, the red celeing light is TOOO RED... Colors are just NOT RIGHT!!! I am just tired of playing with settings!!!!!! :mad:

Anyhow... on another matter... what should I do for the break-in period? I have kept it at Standard with Picture settings at

Picture +5
Sharpness +10
Tint -4
All else (0)

Lower "picture" setting makes the picture too dark! So, what should I really do to get through first 100 hours? Also, should I keep black levels at dark/light for DVDs? Why cant I change it for TV?!

Damn... I am not too pleased... may return this TV :(

You mean This One ? (http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelComparisonResults?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&catGroupId=24973&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702&surfCategory=Plasma%20TVs&items=93882|93192|)


Yep, that's the one. Thanks so much. So it seems like the 500 has the tv guide, computer input, and is just more attractive. The other features - better speakers and PIP don't matter to me. So here's a question for you guys. I don't plan on using my display to do computing but am wondering if a computer input would make it more future-proof. Will there be capabilities that come along later that my computer will be able to handle so that the computer input gives display more flexibility?

And I think I read that a cable card sometimes disables tv guide? Is that true or did I make it up? It would be a drag to pay extra for the guide only to have it not work.

Thanks.

I just got PD50... nice but not 100% happey with it :( colors are a bit off, actually quite a bit... kind of disappointed

It is made in Mexico :confused: could that be the cause? should I go and change it for a Japanese made one?!

Anyhow... I have Green push, as well as Purple/pink push! For the green push I played with Tint... (-4 or -5) fixes it... but then some reds show as "pink/purpel"... in "Just married" DVD, the red coat shows as purple and in most cases red shows as purple... but in Seinfeld, the red celeing light is TOOO RED... Colors are just NOT RIGHT!!! I am just tired of playing with settings!!!!!! :mad:

Anyhow... on another matter... what should I do for the break-in period? I have kept it at Standard with Picture settings at

Picture +5
Sharpness +10
Tint -4
All else (0)

Lower "picture" setting makes the picture too dark! So, what should I really do to get through first 100 hours? Also, should I keep black levels at dark/light for DVDs? Why cant I change it for TV?!

Damn... I am not too pleased... may return this TV :(

I also noticed an issue with "RED" it bleeds to pixels around it, no other color does that. It does a very poor job showing red... like when news casters wear poppy seeds on their jackets, that poppy seed red flower shows extremely poor. It does bleed a bit to side and the whole flower is NOT smooth, it consists of red lines which are quite noticable (from 14 feet). Is there something wrong? How can I calibrate this? I looked at any other color and there's no other issue with other colors. It's only on red, like when in another scene a boy in red shirt was moving... the edges around his shirt were all terrible looked totally unsmooth, while his mother in blue shirt had none of those issues around the edges!

Help me pls.

alexb76, I'll let you know how I set up my 42PD50, your results may vary. Mine was made in Japan but I doubt there is any difference. Room lighting and other factors can affect how you get the best picture for your viewing.

First, I suggest "Standard" picture mode, and turn the "color management" setting OFF. All the following settings are based on that. Then, if you still find too much green, I suggest changing tint to -3 or -4 as you already have done. I also noticed reds looked "different" to me on this set but I got used to it.

For brightness and contrast, settings that seem OK to me over the range of SD cable, DVD, and HD, are Picture +9, Brightness +6. I find the default color setting too saturated so I set Color at -3. Sharpness, I find softening the picture a little helps reduce harsh edges on HD and DVD, without hurting SD much, so I use a Sharpness setting of -5. For standard def cable TV my black level is set to Dark, for HD and DVD it's set to Light. I don't know why you can't change black level on your cable, are you using a set-top box or some other digital feed? And on your problems with Red color, I'm not sure what is going on there, but reducing the Color and Sharpness settings may help some. In general, Reds and Browns tend to show a lot more color noise than Blues or Greens, don't ask me why. If my cable signal is not crystal clear, reds and browns get messed up first. You can also try turning on Video NR and see if that helps stabilize noise in the Reds.

As far as break-in, I pretty much set my TV up how I wanted it to look. I don't think the above settings put too much stress on the TV (especially compared to the screaming Vivid mode it came in). During break-in, I was careful not to leave graphics or black areas on the screen for too long, so my break in was based on managing the content, more than using "safe" picture settings. I now have about a thousand hours on it and have had no burn-in problems. But make sure you don't leave a DVD menu, or something with still graphics, or even widescreen or pillarbox black bars up for a long time until you get a couple hundred hours use on the TV.

alexb76, I'll let you know how I set up my 42PD50, your results may vary. Mine was made in Japan but I doubt there is any difference. Room lighting and other factors can affect how you get the best picture for your viewing.

First, I suggest "Standard" picture mode, and turn the "color management" setting OFF. All the following settings are based on that. Then, if you still find too much green, I suggest changing tint to -3 or -4 as you already have done. I also noticed reds looked "different" to me on this set but I got used to it.

For brightness and contrast, settings that seem OK to me over the range of SD cable, DVD, and HD, are Picture +9, Brightness +6. I find the default color setting of zero a little too saturated so I set Color at -3. Sharpness, I find softening the picture a little helps reduce harsh edges on HD and DVD, without hurting SD much, so I use a Sharpness setting of -5. For standard def cable TV my black level is set to Dark, for HD and DVD it's set to Light.

As far as break-in, I pretty much set my TV up how I wanted it to look. I don't think the above settings put much stress on the TV (especially compared to the screaming Vivid mode it came in). During break-in, I was careful not to leave graphics or black areas on the screen for too long, so my break in was based on managing the content, more than using "safe" picture settings. I now have about a thousand hours on it and have had no burn-in problems. But make sure you don't leave a DVD menu, or something with still graphics, or even widescreen or pillarbox black bars up for a long time until you get a couple hundred hours use on the TV.

Thnx... I will try those... but I am goin crazy over the RED bleeding (see my last post)... might got a bad unit!

Yep, that's the one. Thanks so much. So it seems like the 500 has the tv guide, computer input, and is just more attractive. The other features - better speakers and PIP don't matter to me. So here's a question for you guys. I don't plan on using my display to do computing but am wondering if a computer input would make it more future-proof. Will there be capabilities that come along later that my computer will be able to handle so that the computer input gives display more flexibility?

And I think I read that a cable card sometimes disables tv guide? Is that true or did I make it up? It would be a drag to pay extra for the guide only to have it not work.

Thanks.

Yes, that's why i'm getting the 8UK, using it as an HTPC. I think having a PC input is a must. The cablecard to me is a big headache, and TV guide according to a lot of people is another headache. If you connect a PC to the 500U you can download www.titantv.com i love it, it will give you up to 6 hours at a time, you can type in a movie or program and it will tell you when it's coming on weeks in advance. It also gives you a HD schedule for your particular cable or satellite system.

Anyone familiar with the unit Costco has? (TH-50PM50U)

This at a very good price, Panasonic 50" looks and specs like a PX50.There are a few other threads about this model. It's basically a PX50 only it has no tuner and no Optical Audio Output.

Can anyone check their tube and post the model number?

I have a maxent and it has a panny tube: MC127H27D8. Does anyone have this tube in their panny?
Your question made me curious.

I can't readily check my glass, so I checked Panasonic's parts numbers. None of them look at all like one you posted. They all start with an MD followed by two numbers for size (e.g. 42=42 inch) then a type indicator (S=standard, H=high definition) two numbers for generation (e.g. 08= 8th generation) and a letter code, which seems to indicate a sub-set (e.g. AIJ, or AIJS, or BIJ).

It would seem likely that they would stamp the same numbers on the part itself, although I suppose it's possible that they don't.

I found a couple of interesting anomalies. For example, the PX50 and 8UK show the same glass (MD42H08AIJ) — no surprise — but the PX500 lists a slightly different model number (MD42H08AIJS), which also has a $300 higher replacement cost. :confused:

Also, the 42PD25 is shown using 6th generation glass (MD42S06BIJ) while the 42PA25 — presumed identical except for the tuner — lists the 7th generation (MD42S07AIJ) glass, same as the 7UY commercial model. Both are listed at the exact same price. The 6UY commercial model lists MD42S06AIJ glass, which costs $100 more. :confused:

Incidentally, for those that might be wondering, the PD50 and PM50 show the same 8th generation glass (with a $450 lower replacement cost than the PA/PD25 glass).

Anyone know the explanation for why different glass seems to be used in seemingly similar models?

Yes, that's why i'm getting the 8UK, using it as an HTPC. I think having a PC input is a must. The cablecard to me is a big headache, and TV guide according to a lot of people is another headache. If you connect a PC to the 500U you can download www.titantv.com i love it, it will give you up to 6 hours at a time, you can type in a movie or program and it will tell you when it's coming on weeks in advance. It also gives you a HD schedule for your particular cable or satellite system.Unfortunately, with CATV source input CableCARDs enable DCR-TVs to achieve the best picture possible. If the MPAA has it's way copyright protection will eliminate Internet access to high value digital content which will make HTPC's useless to your home theater set-up.

I posted this in a separate thread, but thought maybe somebody would have an answer here to this question regarding the Panny 50PX50U.



My DVD player (LG-LDA511) has this black level setting in its setup screen:

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B.L.E. (Black Level Expansion)
To select the black level of playback pictures. Set your
preference and monitor’s ability.

On: Expanded grey scale. (0 IRE cut off)
Off: Standard grey scale. (7.5 IRE cut off)

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So should I set the Black Level Expansion setting to "On" or "Off" with my Panny TH-50PX50u.

And what exactly is the difference?

If you are new Panny owner and are happy with your DVD player, please take a minute to respond with the model of the DVD player and a line or two about how satisfied you are with the PQ. Thanks. Just trying to home in to the player I should buy.

I posted this in a separate thread, but thought maybe somebody would have an answer here to this question regarding the Panny 50PX50U.



My DVD player (LG-LDA511) has this black level setting in its setup screen:

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B.L.E. (Black Level Expansion)
To select the black level of playback pictures. Set your
preference and monitor’s ability.

On: Expanded grey scale. (0 IRE cut off)
Off: Standard grey scale. (7.5 IRE cut off)

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So should I set the Black Level Expansion setting to "On" or "Off" with my Panny TH-50PX50u.

And what exactly is the difference?

Set to "off" which will provide the EIA-861 video standard 7.5-235 IRE (also NTSC standard).
Set to "on" if using a non EIA standard input such as PC.

I don't watch PAL DVD's but some standards of PAL are based on 0 IRE as well.

I've been following the Rear Projection threads for quite some time now. I've come to some conclusions after all this time. Most of the other technologies are compromises and issues of one sort or another (not that Plasma doesn't have it's issues). Even the new LCOS sets have some issues. I think that Plasma has been around now for a goodly amount of time and they are proving themselves worthy of consideration. It seems that RP's have a higher customer dissatisfaction rate, if you read all the negatives in this and other forums. I also don't like the idea of spending hundreds of dollars every other year or so on a new bulb so I can watch TV. I don't like the flimsy screens...I would be afraid to clean one. I don't care for the depth of the units either.

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In case it helps you...I went down the same path you described, from considering RPTV to plasma over the course of 1 1/2 years. In addition to your list of RPTV negatives, the limited viewing angles were a major drawback for me. I finally bought a Panny 50PX500U in September and haven't regretted my decision for a moment. Good luck in your decision.

If you are new Panny owner and are happy with your DVD player, please take a minute to respond with the model of the DVD player and a line or two about how satisfied you are with the PQ. Thanks. Just trying to home in to the player I should buy.

I use a LG 3510a DVD/tuner combo and it seems a fine picture to me.

Remember, if you feed the Panny 480i via DVD you'll have to adjust the black level accordingly. If you feed 480p or higher it's not necessary.

Thnx... I will try those... but I am goin crazy over the RED bleeding (see my last post)... might got a bad unit!


With my 50PX50U, feeding 480i from DVD would look poor unless I adjust the brightness down from the level that I would normally view 480p and higher sources. If I switch to 480p from DVD no adjustment is necessary. Just FYI in case this might be the problem you are experiencing.

I've been following the Rear Projection threads for quite some time now. I've come to some conclusions after all this time. Most of the other technologies are compromises and issues of one sort or another (not that Plasma doesn't have it's issues). Even the new LCOS sets have some issues. I think that Plasma has been around now for a goodly amount of time and they are proving themselves worthy of consideration. It seems that RP's have a higher customer dissatisfaction rate, if you read all the negatives in this and other forums. I also don't like the idea of spending hundreds of dollars every other year or so on a new bulb so I can watch TV. I don't like the flimsy screens...I would be afraid to clean one. I don't care for the depth of the units either. Styling wise, I don't think they can compare with most Plasmas.
As far as the SXRD, I've been reading about problems with blue hue. I haven't seen it myself, but I am a little leary of a new technology such as LCOS, especially now that people are reporting problems. perhaps the next generation SXRD will be more refined. I didn't like the Sony styling either...the speakers look awful to me. I know the set is 1080P, but that doesn't really matter that much since there isn't any programming to see at that resolution, and may not be any for quite some time. The sets are comparable in price in the 50" range and I think the Plasma has an equal picture, and maybe better color.
I'm not an expert or anything like that, these are just my observations and feelings, and they have lead me away from the RP's and into the Plasma world. Once I purchase my set I know I will be enjoying it for a long long time :)

Thanks Treasure Hunter, I'm beginning to feel the same way. We went to Tweeter last night and looked at several sets. I think the biggest disappointment we saw was the lesser expensive Mit. LCD RP's . The Samsung HLR5057W actually had one of the best pictures of the RP's. But the Pioneer and Panasonic Plasma's just kept bringing us back over to them. They did look good. Just got to decide between 42" and 50" and what brand. I thought the Philips 50PF7320A/37 at Sam's looked awful and at the right price, but the wife says she doesn't like the brand name.
Grateful11

Thanks Treasure Hunter, I'm beginning to feel the same way. We went to Tweeter last night and looked at several sets. I think the biggest disappointment we saw was the lesser expensive Mit. LCD RP's . The Samsung HLR5057W actually had one of the best pictures of the RP's. But the Pioneer and Panasonic Plasma's just kept bringing us back over to them. They did look good. Just got to decide between 42" and 50" and what brand. I thought the Philips 50PF7320A/37 at Sam's looked awful and at the right price, but the wife says she doesn't like the brand name.
Grateful11I purchased a TH-50PX50U last May and I'm very satisfied with this TV. Pioneer/NEC/Samsung/etc., generally offer more features than Panasonic... but the picture my display renders, especially the black levels, are solid. I'd recommend that if you're torn between a 42" versus a 50" panel... go with the 50" and you won't be sorry. It's rare to hear from anyone in this Forum who says they wish they had bought the smaller display.

Alex,

Don't know if this will help you, but I noticed significant green push and oversaturation of reds when I first bought my set (same set but the 37"). I have my tint at -4 and I can tell you that 250 hours in, my sets colors are actually getting better and the set is getting brighter. I had read that this can occur, and it certainly is. The picture on my set three weeks in is MUCH better than the first week or so...hopefully this will be the case for you too.

Alex,

Don't know if this will help you, but I noticed significant green push and oversaturation of reds when I first bought my set (same set but the 37"). I have my tint at -4 and I can tell you that 250 hours in, my sets colors are actually getting better and the set is getting brighter. I had read that this can occur, and it certainly is. The picture on my set three weeks in is MUCH better than the first week or so...hopefully this will be the case for you too.

Thanks... how can I tell how long have I used the unit? Is there a hidden setting?

I had a technician in today, he went to service menu and changed Tint from 4 to 0.. it made the green push a little better but reds are still bleeding a little. Interestingly, Tint had minimum of 0 and went up quite high 20-30 (dont remember the max) and my set was set at 4... dropping it down to 0 helped things a bit.

There was no grayscale setting (as expected) and that's disappointing... but I just have to decide if I wanna live with this or not.

One other thing I noticed is how POOR the "Just" algorithm is... it really doesn't change much from FULL... I remember NEC Just mode (Stadium) was really really good.

bmsprague, the tuner on my Panasonic 42PD50U also tends to "lose" digital channels if there is a signal problem. (Meaning, even when the signal is restored, the TV won't tune to that channel again without a rescan.) My 42PD50 occasionally loses OTA and cable channels due to this issue. Seems to me the digital tuner should be much more robust than this.

I just wish my 42PD50U would get all the QAM cable stations it's supposed to, I can't get my local FOX HD or PBS HD over cable (but they are OK on OTA.) So if something is on FOX I have to do a rescan using antenna mode for it, then after it's over, do a rescan for my cable channels again. It's very clumsy not to be able to switch from Cable to Antenna and vice versa without doing a rescan.

Panasonic; I love my picture, but you need a more powerful/convienient tuner setup, and more RF inputs.


Similar problem for me with my 50PX500U. Here is a possible solution, it partially works for me.

In my case, PBS and FOX are on channel 92 and ABC and NBC are on channel 93. Neither channel on scan is indicated on. Find the channels not indicated on, when you go into the manual programming screen, turn them on and then tune them in from your remote. Say channel 92. The screen goes white with snow for a second, then the tuner switches to digital and it will pick up only the first channel having a program, example 92-1 or 92-2 etc. This is the way I get PBS only, no FOX because that follows as 92-3

You can also go into TVGuide and set up whatever you find as say channel 92-1 and you can tune in that way also.

Thanks... how can I tell how long have I used the unit? Is there a hidden setting?

I had a technician in today, he went to service menu and changed Tint from 4 to 0.. it made the green push a little better but reds are still bleeding a little. Interestingly, Tint had minimum of 0 and went up quite high 20-30 (dont remember the max) and my set was set at 4... dropping it down to 0 helped things a bit.

There was no grayscale setting (as expected) and that's disappointing... but I just have to decide if I wanna live with this or not.

One other thing I noticed is how POOR the "Just" algorithm is... it really doesn't change much from FULL... I remember NEC Just mode (Stadium) was really really good.Actually there is a grayscale setting in the service menu but the guy probably didn't know about it, or didn't want to admit that he doesn't know the procedure or have the specially modified remote required to adjust the grayscale.

Another member here noticed the JUST mode on his new consumer model wasn't the same algorithm as the JUST mode on his existing commercial model and took pics showing the obvious difference. Things looked closer to normal with the commercial models JUST mode.

Checking the Hours Used compliments of Bruzzi's Handy Panny FAQ:
http://glaucobruzzi.com/plasma-faq/showthread.php?t=81

deharry, THANK YOU THANK YOU for that tip about the Panasonic tuner. Using your tip I can now get Fox digital, where the TV was not finding it in the automatic channel scan. In my case, Fox is supposed to be at cable channel 83.1, (TWC channel 1501) but the scan never found it, and manually entering 83.1 comes up with no channel. But by manually activating analog channel 83 in the channel map, I can now tune the digital channel. (When I select channel 83, first it comes up with analog static, then switches to the digital channel.) I never tried enabling channel 83 manually because I assumed that it would only attempt to find the analog channel.

I still can't get PBS because it is at 83.2, and the tip you describe seems to only work on the first digital subchannel. But mainly I wanted FOX to work over cable. Now I have a spare antenna I can sell or give away...

I'd like to calibrate my 42PX50U as well... I'm assuming that I am limited in terms of calibration from the controls I can access through the remote .. am I correct or is there other "user" calibration settings I can access?

I have a SA-4200HD STB and a new PX500. By the way, the plasma was just received and is fantastic.
I hooked up the STB DVI output to the TV HDMI input with a converter cable. Works fine, but the STB Component output will not work. If I disconnect the DVI connector, the component output works fine. Thoughts?

deharry, THANK YOU THANK YOU for that tip about the Panasonic tuner. Using your tip I can now get Fox digital, where the TV was not finding it in the automatic channel scan. In my case, Fox is supposed to be at cable channel 83.1, (TWC channel 1501) but the scan never found it, and manually entering 83.1 comes up with no channel. But by manually activating analog channel 83 in the channel map, I can now tune the digital channel. (When I select channel 83, first it comes up with analog static, then switches to the digital channel.) I never tried enabling channel 83 manually because I assumed that it would only attempt to find the analog channel.

I still can't get PBS because it is at 83.2, and the tip you describe seems to only work on the first digital subchannel. But mainly I wanted FOX to work over cable. Now I have a spare antenna I can sell or give away...


Glad for the hint. In my case, I live in South Florida with Comcast. The channels scan that the QAM tuner fails on my set is 92 and 93. In your case it is 83, my 83 scans returns 83-1 to 83-10 "channel not available". This is very interesting for my trouble shooting.

As it stands now, I am holding off the Panasonic Technician from checking the set out because my retailer will exchange the set as soon as he has new stock. There seems to be an issue here with the QAM operation of the tuner, so I am hoping that the new batch will have an updated or XXXX thing modified on the QAM tuners.

If there is a technical individual here who may have a clue on our predicament with these QAM tuners, please feel free to express your theory.

I posted this as its own topic yesterday but got no response. Maybe this is a more appropriate location. Any help is appreciated.



I have a 50px50u with digital cable service - no cable card - my cable co doesnt support it. They also wont give me a second hd box for this set (dont ask). So im trying to get my hd locals on my own via cable - antennae is out of the question. When i hook up the coax line directly to the back of the set and do the channel scan (analogue and digital) it zips through the analogue part then starts the digital scan. The digital part takes awhile (4-5mins) and as the progress bar fills it suddunly stops -at about 85%- before the progress bar finishes. The result is that it finds a boat load of music channels + some digital cable channels (toon disney, and cinnemax thriller) + some other blank channels w/o audio or video (I assume these are scrambled).

Here is the problem -- it also almost always finds pbd-hd and once i got it to find abc and nbc-hd. It has never found fox-hd. My hd locals are really all im concerned about getting, but i cant recapture nbc,abc,pbs and fox (never have gotton fox and only abc+nbc once) simultaniously.

I bought a lg 3410a dvd+ hd tuner all in one at best buy. It can find ALL of my locals EVERYTIME. So i know it can be done. I really dont want to keep the LG tuner since its cumbersome, but i cant figure out how to get the panny to tune the digital hd locals in a consistant manner.

Is it normal for the channel scan to end before the progress bar completes? Maybe its "timing out" before it finds my hd locals?

Is there a way to manually program them at 5.1 8.1 13.1 etc?

Is anyone else having this problem? - Getting the panny to tune unscrambled digital cable.

Thanks for the help.


I have a similar problem. I also tried an LG tuner and Samsung tuner, and they found my missing channels as 92-1 92-X & 93-1, 93-X. My Panny tuner on scan finds nothing. I have come to the conclusion that this is a very serious defect with the Panny QAM tuner. Tried everything in the book, amplifiers, attenuators, no splitters but nothing worked.

I am sorry that I squandered my 7 day money back period from my retailer, as I am now stuck with a turkey that forces me to go to a cable card. None has reported this problem with other brands, but all the complaints are from Panasonic units.

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I am sorry that I squandered my 7 day money back period from my retailer, as I am now stuck with a turkey that forces me to go to a cable card. None has reported this problem with other brands, but all the complaints are from Panasonic units.

I don't want to be overly pessimistic as you look toward CableCard, but I've been unable to get CableCard working in my 50PX500U despite many iterations with TWC and Panny technical support. I don't know if it's related to the QAM tuner or a different problem, but I strongly suspect that the problem is in the TV, since all channels come in fine with a set top box and I've tried three CableCards with no success.

Please post if you find out any more about resolution to your tuner problems.

I just received my 50px50u yesterday. Plugged it in and it looks fantastic (until I turned down the brightness/contrast/etc/etc). It is in a open built in wall shelving system in the great room. The only thing I am dissapointed about is the duckfoot stand. Because of it, the TV sits back 6-7 inches (estimate) in the built-in system, meaning that some of the people at the sides of the room have a small portion of the screen blocked! If I move it forward, the feet would stick out, which would of course look rediculous. Very annoying. I know there doesn't seem to be other stands that work with the TV. Has anyone tried putting the stand on backwards (since the back portion is shorter than the front)? That way the TV could sit more forward. I didn't try it when I installed the stand, so I guess it probably won't go on that way. I am sure I am not the only one to have ever had this problem. Any ideas/or solutions??

I am planning to buy a 50PX50U this week-end. Waffling over the extended warranty.

Pro for warranty : peace of mind for 4 years

Con for warranty : cost, plus I want to keep the unit for at least 10 years so the warranty does not really cover the most vulnerable years of use.


What did YOU do ? Buy the extended warranty or live with the base warranty ?

I am planning to buy a 50PX50U this week-end. Waffling over the extended warranty.

Pro for warranty : peace of mind for 4 years

Con for warranty : cost, plus I want to keep the unit for at least 10 years so the warranty does not really cover the most vulnerable years of use.


What did YOU do ? Buy the extended warranty or live with the base warranty ?I purchased the first 50PX50U that my local Circuit City received last May. Since it was the first 50PX50U that Circuit City sold in my area, they insisted I pay MSRP, which at the time was $4999.95. The total I paid was $5400, which includes:

The TH-50PX50U
NYS Sales Tax :eek:
A three-year Circuit City warranty protection plan
Monster HDMI cable
24 month 0% Circuit City financing

Since I cannot afford to spend $5400 on a TV too often, I decided to include the extended warranty so I don't have to worry if the panel fails during the first three years. This TV now retails in the low 3K range at some of the BIG Box warehouse outlets, which for me personally nears that tipping point where warranty protection isn't necessary. I anticipate by the time my warranty protection ends 2 1/2 years from now, 50" 1080p FP displays will cost less than what I paid for my 720p PDP on May 1, 2005.

BTW... during the six months I've had this PDP, I have been contacted by Panasonic and Circuit City and have been offered to extend my extended warranty protection... for an additional price of course. It appears you can buy additional warranty coverage almost anytime during the first year of ownership.

Optivity too bad Costco's didnt sell that panel, you would of aready gotten the money back,now with the 50PM50 on there site it's a reality.
I dont know how you could price match stuff bought online as they delete/add almost daily there selection of stock online....there smart about that.
When ive gotten many price matches they physically leave there service area and go out on the floor and look whats in stock and the price to verify.
That was your decision to jump the gun and buy early. :) i hate waiting also...hehe

I know... I had been waiting since November 2004 when I almost "pulled the trigger" and bought a 50PHD7UY. By the time the new TVs came out last Spring, I couldn't stand it any longer so I bought a 50PX50U. Oh well... we all know how rapidly the price for electronics declines once they are released.

The "good news" is I've enjoyed watching my PDP since May and even the NYGs :eek: are on a roll. :)

I am planning to buy a 50PX50U this week-end. Waffling over the extended warranty.

Pro for warranty : peace of mind for 4 years

Con for warranty : cost, plus I want to keep the unit for at least 10 years so the warranty does not really cover the most vulnerable years of use.


What did YOU do ? Buy the extended warranty or live with the base warranty ?

I bought my 50PX50U without the extended warranty. Extended warranties are a cash cow for these places. What does that tell you?

The likelihood of a failure past a year which would cost significantly more than what the extended warranty costs is very low. Other than the panels, which shouldn't fail, I'm not sure I can think of a single component failure which would significantly surpass this cost. If you have mulitiple failed components (like say a lightning strike or maybe your toddler throws a big rock through the panel) that wouldn't be covered anyway. This *would* be covered by most homeowner's insurance policies, though.

If something extremely rare nevertheless *does* occur which is catastrophic to the set and not covered, I'll write it off and get a new one.

Fro tds1 ...

While I was reading your post I was thinking, "just turn the panel around !!!" Now I don't have mine yet, but I do have the duck foot stand, and I will have a similar problem with my armoire. So, if you try it, and if it works I hope that you will post your results because there are probably a lot of us out here that would do it if you find that it works. Thanks for any future information that you provide, and for your willingness to try it...if you do. Sincerely, TB

Fro tds1 ...

While I was reading your post I was thinking, "just turn the panel around !!!" Now I don't have mine yet, but I do have the duck foot stand, and I will have a similar problem with my armoire. So, if you try it, and if it works I hope that you will post your results because there are probably a lot of us out here that would do it if you find that it works. Thanks for any future information that you provide, and for your willingness to try it...if you do. Sincerely, TB

Even if you could install it backwards (which I personally doubt)...I would be very leery of it tipping forward. Those engineers know what they're doing!

For the original poster...could you do a wall mount inside your built-in wall unit? Maybe even one that articulates a bit so you could pull it out when those "obstructed view" seats are in use, then tuck it back away in the cubby?

Articulated wall mount sounds like the cleanest, safest approach, but reversing the stand (or just cutting off the duck feet) would be fine IF you securely tie the top of the panel to the wall so it couldn't tip forward. I can think of a few ways to do this; it would carry no weight, just protect against the forward tip. With the panel on the current stand, if you grab the top and pull forward, how much pull would it take to tip it over? Attach it that securely to the wall at the top, and you've effectively replaced the function of the duck feet.

Diabolical PerryU !!!!

Even if you could install it backwards (which I personally doubt)...I would be very leery of it tipping forward. Those engineers know what they're doing!

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It's designed for a strap to be attached to the back anyway according to the manual that comes with the stand. If it works with the feet turned around, simply attach the safety straps as instructed in the manual and this should keep it from tipping forward. There are little clamps included with the stand that are designed to attach to the top corners of the back of the panel to allow attachment of straps, rope, wire, etc. I'd probably find a stud in the rear wall to attach to if possible.

Yep, that's the one. Thanks so much. So it seems like the 500 has the tv guide, computer input, and is just more attractive. The other features - better speakers and PIP don't matter to me. So here's a question for you guys. I don't plan on using my display to do computing but am wondering if a computer input would make it more future-proof. Will there be capabilities that come along later that my computer will be able to handle so that the computer input gives display more flexibility?

And I think I read that a cable card sometimes disables tv guide? Is that true or did I make it up? It would be a drag to pay extra for the guide only to have it not work.

Thanks.
I can't speak for anyone else, but the TV Guide in my 500u works fine for me with a cable card (on Charter cable). I will say that I use the PIP (actually it's split screen) quite a bit. The only bad thing is that PIP doesn't work with either the VGA or the HDMI inputs.

tds1--I could be wrong but IIRC, the display is held secure to the two vertical stand posts by two screws that thread through a threaded opening in the post (2 per post)--this prevents the display from being completely detached from the stand. The part I don't remember is whether the openings are threaded all the way through to the other side of the post; if not, then there would be no way for you to secure the display to the posts w/ the included/aforementioned screws.

Also--and from a purely aesthetic standpoint--the model number is imprinted on one side of the rear of the stand (at the base of where the post is secured to the base, IIRC); the model number of course would now be visible if you somehow are able to reverse-mount the display on the stand.

There are a couple of issues I think I can shed some light on. First, if you want to install the stand backwards, first see if you can remove the posts and install them backward as well. That way the posts will be facing in the original direction and you should be able to secure the posts to the TV as you do now. Unfortunately, I suspect that this won't work. However, even if you just secure the stand to the TV by tightening the screws until friction holds it to the post, I'm not sure that makes much difference. If the TV tips so much that it can fall out of the stand, it's going to crash anyway.

There are "tip-over" straps that attach to the back of the stand with screws. If you reverse the stand, this would be useless because it would not stop the TV from tipping forward, just backward. However there are also clips that you can attach to the top back corners and then use wire or cord to secure to the back of your furniture. This would be invisible from the front. Just make sure that you can unhook it easily so you can move the TV to get to the back panel when needed. The information on this if in the instructions for the stand, not the TV.

Good luck.

I can't speak for anyone else, but the TV Guide in my 500u works fine for me with a cable card (on Charter cable). I will say that I use the PIP (actually it's split screen) quite a bit. The only bad thing is that PIP doesn't work with either the VGA or the HDMI inputs.

Are you able to feed two TV signals to your PIP, and if so, how?

For those interested... follow these links to some detailed information regarding Panasonic PDPs (7th gen?)

Go to:

”Panasonic eLearn Site” (http://www.pasctraining.panasonic.com/main/index.jhtml?default=true) at the upper right side of page click on “eLearn - Document Downloads (handouts)” From the pop-up window select “Plasma Display (PDP)” and under the documents section select:

“Pictures of Plasma Symptoms”

“Plasma (GP6D - GPH7D)”

“Plasma Panel Replacement Textbook”

So I'm noticing on my normal NTSC channel viewing there is about a half inch of black bar running down the right side of the screen. It looks like if I can somehow adjust the "h pos" setting on my px42 500u I can move it over...I can do this with computer monitors is it possible with plasmas?

I am taking look at the service menu but have no idea how to navigate it...Any ideas?

Ok so I figured it out...It seems to be overscan on the NTSC that Time Warner is broadcasting over cable...It is more noticeable on some channels, on channels like FoodTV it is non-existant...No problems with this overscan problem on playing video games, DVD's or watching HDTV broadcasts...

So the question is can I change the overscan settings on the NTSC signals?

Anyone?

I got a 42PX50U yesterday, and Star Wars III was the first movie I watched as well (thrilling !!). One question : I have the widescreen version. I set my DVD player to 16:9. But I still see black horizontal bars on teh top & bottom. Is this normal for Star Wars (widescreen version) ? (My Monster's Inc widescreen version covers the entire screen, no black bars, sweet picture...).


I just calibrated my new 42PX50U yesterday and watched Star Wars III on it last night. Man what an awesome picture! This set is just amazing. I'm glad I purchased this set.

...I still see black horizontal bars on teh top & bottom. Is this normal for Star Wars (widescreen version) ? (My Monster's Inc widescreen version covers the entire screen, no black bars, sweet picture...).
The black bars are normal for Star Wars III and any other movie shown in 2.35:1 format. I haven't seen the Monster's Inc. DVD, but it is probably 1.85:1, which would fill your 1.78:1 screen.

You'll find the aspect ratio on most DVD's by looking at the fine print on the back of the box. The majority of them seem to be in 2.35:1 format (a few even wider), but there are a lot of 1.85:1 movies available.

I got a 42PX50U yesterday, and Star Wars III was the first movie I watched as well (thrilling !!). One question : I have the widescreen version. I set my DVD player to 16:9. But I still see black horizontal bars on teh top & bottom. Is this normal for Star Wars (widescreen version) ? (My Monster's Inc widescreen version covers the entire screen, no black bars, sweet picture...).


I found this on another thread...It explains it well. I believe star wars is 2:35:1

http://www.skullface.com/different_modes/43modes.jpg
http://www.skullface.com/different_modes/1781.jpg
http://www.skullface.com/different_modes/2351.jpg

I have a purple line running down halfway my Panny plasma - from the Panasonic technical books, looks like a "Panel" problem. Anybody have this problem, and what was the solution (replacement, repair)? I do have CC protection plan, but I'm curious as to what evryone else has experienced.

I have a purple line running down halfway my Panny plasma - from the Panasonic technical books, looks like a "Panel" problem. Anybody have this problem, and what was the solution (replacement, repair)? I do have CC protection plan, but I'm curious as to what evryone else has experienced.


I don't have this problem. So most likely you need it serviced. Try calling the service center, after all you've got a 1 year in home service warranty. If anything they will come over and replace it for you if they cannot fix it.

Just ordered a 50PX50U - got a delivery date of 12/12.

Well I am a happy owner of a new 42pd50u. Very stunned by the picture for my first plasma,,,amazing.

A small problem though , I just realised I have been watching all of my DVD's in 480I mode out of my DVD player. It is an older ( 2 year?) JVC W/ Progressive scan, but I didn't realize I had to 'enable' this function on the player.

Anyways I just realized and switched over, but I have found that the noise in the 480P mode is nearly double that of 480I. There also seems to be a strange 1/2" bar in the picture along the bottom of the display where the picture dosen't quite "match up".

I have tryed playing with the noise reduction tools on the Panny, but they actually seem to make it worse, especially the MPEG noise function. I have since switched back to 480I in dissapointment. Does this seem like a problem with my new Panny ?.... or more likely a problem with my lower end JVC progressive scan DVD player messing with the output.

Thanks for any insight everyone, the knowledge shared on this site is amazing.

Jeremy

Just ordered a 50PX50U - got a delivery date of 12/12.

Oh Panther...you dog, you. It's gonna be a nice Christmas...with a tough month of waiting ahead. Congrats.

Well I am a happy owner of a new 42pd50u. Very stunned by the picture for my first plasma,,,amazing.

A small problem though , I just realised I have been watching all of my DVD's in 480I mode out of my DVD player. It is an older ( 2 year?) JVC W/ Progressive scan, but I didn't realize I had to 'enable' this function on the player.

Anyways I just realized and switched over, but I have found that the noise in the 480P mode is nearly double that of 480I. There also seems to be a strange 1/2" bar in the picture along the bottom of the display where the picture dosen't quite "match up".

I have tryed playing with the noise reduction tools on the Panny, but they actually seem to make it worse, especially the MPEG noise function. I have since switched back to 480I in dissapointment. Does this seem like a problem with my new Panny ?.... or more likely a problem with my lower end JVC progressive scan DVD player messing with the output.

Thanks for any insight everyone, the knowledge shared on this site is amazing.

Jeremy

It's possible the plasma does a better job deinterlacing than your DVD player does - you wouldn't be the first person to say this. I'm sure it's frustrating that it seems like your DVD player "isn't working"...but just go with the flow and leave it in 480i mode if the picture is satisfying to you.

I'm thinking about buying the new Denon s301 HTIB (I want a good, simple 2.1 system). Anyway, I read the specs and it has a faroudja chip. I have also read reports on how faroudja and panasonic plasmas don't mix too well and could cause macroblocking.

Does anyone own a dvd player with a faroudja chip and panasonic plasma TV? Preferably someone with a 42pd50. Is there macroblocking?

Thanks

Essencedesign, I have the 42PD50U and have noticed the following quirks:

Using a 480i DVD player, with component, on some 1.85 ratio DVDs, I often get a flickering white line at the bottom of the screen, as if the set needs more overscan. I do not have this problem over s-video connection, only component. To work around this, I ditched my old 480i player for a 480p player, which brings me to the next issue.

Using a 480p player over component cable, if Video NR is set to "ON", I get a narrow horizontal band at the bottom of the screen, where the color/brightness is shifted brighter compared to the rest of the image. The "brightness shift" within the band is mainly visible with dark blue and dark gray backgrounds. I can't see the "brightness shift" on bright colors. The band goes away if I turn Video NR off. On good quality DVDs it's not an issue, but on DVDs with crummy source materials it'd be nice to be able to use the Video NR to smooth it a little. Why does Video NR cause this "mystery band" on 480p inputs?

Thanks Craig i'll check out other remote options. my main issue is that I can't power on and off or adjust the volume. I had been using componant to hook it up, but once I hooked up the HDMI, I couldn't adjust the voume anymore! I could never power on or off though. I was hoping it was just a matter of programming the remote or something, but I can't seem to figure that part out either! Any other thoughts?

Check out the second "settings" menu of the 8300 and be sure you are set up for HDMI input, and also check that you have selected "variable" for volume control. You can configure the remote (or should be able to) to turn the TV on and off and to control the TV volume while in "cable" mode. Actually, I have 2 different TW remotes and they are both set up that a single button turns on both the TV and the 8300, and volume controls the TV volume (in this case set the cable volume to "fixed")

Craig

Oh Panther...you dog, you. It's gonna be a nice Christmas...with a tough month of waiting ahead. Congrats.

Just hope their delivery beats Christmas.

Essencedesign, I have the 42PD50U and have noticed the following quirks:

Using a 480i DVD player, with component, on some 1.85 ratio DVDs, I often get a flickering white line at the bottom of the screen, as if the set needs more overscan. I do not have this problem over s-video connection, only component. To work around this, I ditched my old 480i player for a 480p player, which brings me to the next issue.

Using a 480p player over component cable, if Video NR is set to "ON", I get a narrow horizontal band at the bottom of the screen, where the color/brightness is shifted brighter compared to the rest of the image. The "brightness shift" within the band is mainly visible with dark blue and dark gray backgrounds. I can't see the "brightness shift" on bright colors. The band goes away if I turn Video NR off. On good quality DVDs it's not an issue, but on DVDs with crummy source materials it'd be nice to be able to use the Video NR to smooth it a little. Why does Video NR cause this "mystery band" on 480p inputs?



That sounds like the same picture "bar" along the bottom of the display that I was noticing. But I was not able to tie it to the Video NR. Actually I found that the MPEG NR feature actually did worse things to the picture in terms of overall noise.
I have not had any issues with the Interlaced signals from my DVD like you are speaking of. They seem to come across better than anything.

Does this mean that I might have similar problems with any progressive content , such as those from HD signals ?

Anyone have a link for the lowest profile flat wall mount for the 50PX50U? I'm gonna be hanging this about 6" from the door that enters the room, so a look to the left as you enter will be viewing the side profile of the unit. I'd prefer to keep it as snug as possible.

One other noob question - How much of a PITA is it to wire/rewire components to a flat mount plasma? Does it need to be removed from the wall each time?

One other noob question - How much of a PITA is it to wire/rewire components to a flat mount plasma? Does it need to be removed from the wall each time?
It's a huge PITA, you must take the TV down to re-wire.

I want to thank everyone in this forum for the great info. After about a month of reading this forum I just ordered my 50PX50u and the ship date is slated for on or before 12/19. Hopefully Panasonic will get the TV out a bit faster. One question for those that have the Panasonic TV's. What if any calibration disc is recommended? Digital Video Essentials or Avia? Thanks again.

I ordered my TH-42PX50U from PCconnection in Mid Oct...just shipped out on Friday...was about 4 weeks total. Negotiated free shipping. Web site still shows 2+ weeks leadtime, so I guess the batch they got in all went to backorders.

I just had my new 50px500u mounted above my fireplace. Whoa... may have to rethink this when I remodel. But for now I will live with it. My question is, they used an omnimount tilt mount. However because of the extra thick base, it is hardly able to tilt at all! Has anyone else wall mounted their 50px500u on a tilt mount? How were you able to get the tilt more than a couple degrees? Thanks for your help.

A few questions if you don't mind. I have been thinking about the TH50PHD8UK, actually it's probably number one on my list right now. The question about it is: What color is the frame actually? It looks like a nice solid black...is that correct? The table stands that are sold for it I assume are matching colors...is that correct? Which stand fits/looks best with the 8UK?
Also, I know this is a Panny thread, but I've also been looking at the 50hpx95 from Toshiba. I haven't been able to locate one for a personal view yet. I hear they are basically a Panny panel with Tosh electroincs and are very similar in picture. Any thoughts about this? They are both almost impossible to find anywhere, so maybe I'll go with the first one that appears at a reasonable price!

Just ordered a 50PX50U - got a delivery date of 12/12.

...Just hope their delivery beats Christmas
Congrats... I've had a 50PX50U since May; it's a fabulous display. My brother in-law is so impressed by my panel he ordered one from Sears last weekend and received a December 13th delivery date.

I just wanted to pass this info on to everyone. After alot of headaches with the Samsung HP-R5052 I decided that I didn't want to keep this. Yesterday I went to a few stores BB and CC to just compare models. My second stop was CC and while I was there sales person is there something I can help you with. I smiled and said if you have 2 of the Pan TH50px50U I will buy them now. He said if you order before one you can have them tomorrow. I didn't believe this I said to him let me see your screen that says you have them in stock. (The web site says they don't) to my amazement they had 254 instock. So today (11-15-05) I am waiting for my delivery.

I purchased them at the CC store in Valley Stream NY. Hope this helps someone.

braz

Ok ... I am certain this question has been asked before so I hope I don't bore anyone with this. the TH-42PX50U qualifies as an HDTV yet some reviews say that it's not a true HDTV because the horizontal resolution can only display 1024 pixels.. so the assumption is that it can't possibly display 1080i because the number of hor pixels is less.. do I understand this corectly? So if this is the case and the panny is receiving a 1080 signal does it down convert it to 780P and if so is the difference marginal if a set displaying natiive 1080i were to be compared visually .. of course all sets are not created equally but let's just assume it's the same manufacturer.

A 1080i signal converted for a 720p set is no less objectionable than a 720p signal converted for a 1080i display. NBC&CBS = 1080i; ABC&FOX=720p. Also consider that until very recently, there were no 1080i displays that could resolve the full 1920 vertical lines of resolution.

Ok ... I am certain this question has been asked before...
You're right. There are several whole threads devoted to this, with a lot of heated opinion on both sides. Rather than bog this thread down, I'll respond briefly and recommend you look up some of those threads if you want more details. ;)

...is the difference marginal if a set displaying natiive 1080i were to be compared visually...
It more of a theoretical perfectionist issue than a practical one. Under typical home viewing conditions, the difference would be virtually undetectable by most people on a 42" display. Unless the viewer is very close, it wouldn't become a significant factor unless the screen were much larger, at least 60", probably over 70".

... until very recently, there were no 1080i displays that could resolve the full 1920... lines of resolution.
And there is still very little programming that actually delivers it.

For the record, because there has been some confusion in terminology in this exchange, the two currently employed broadcast HD standards are 1365x720p and 1920x1080i. (There is a 1920x1080p standard, but it is not being used.) Most 42" plasmas are 1024x768p. The first number is horizontal, the second vertical in all cases. Plasmas are progressive. (Exceptions are 42" ALiS panels, which are a quasi interlaced 1024x1024 design.) All plasmas must convert either broadcast resolution to their native format.

Does anyone in the San Fran bay area know what the procedure is for returning a tv at the store that begins with AND? I LOVE my new 50px500u, the PQ is excellent, the functions are excellent, but it just isn't going to work for me mounted above the fireplace. It was mounted on MOnday, but because the base is thicker than the rest of the tv, I can't get any real tilt which I need because of the height. It looks great mounted up there, and I don't mind looking up, to watch, but it looks very odd not seeing the screen straight on. So, unfortunately, I need to return it and get something that is totally flat on the back to get the tilt I need.

Does anyone in the San Fran bay area know what the procedure is for returning a tv at the store that begins with AND? I LOVE my new 50px500u, the PQ is excellent, the functions are excellent, but it just isn't going to work for me mounted above the fireplace. It was mounted on MOnday, but because the base is thicker than the rest of the tv, I can't get any real tilt which I need because of the height. It looks great mounted up there, and I don't mind looking up, to watch, but it looks very odd not seeing the screen straight on. So, unfortunately, I need to return it and get something that is totally flat on the back to get the tilt I need.Perhaps the 50PX50U will meet your mounting requirements? It renders the same picture as the 500U but has less features. Maybe you can swap the 500 for a 50U?

I thought about that, but as trivial as it sounds, we really like the TV guide.

I'm with you on that, TVGOS is a great feature to have especially if you use a CableCARD.

....I LOVE my new 50px500u, the PQ is excellent, the functions are excellent, but it just isn't going to work for me mounted above the fireplace. It was mounted on MOnday, but because the base is thicker than the rest of the tv, I can't get any real tilt which I need because of the height. It looks great mounted up there, and I don't mind looking up, to watch, but it looks very odd not seeing the screen straight on. So, unfortunately, I need to return it and get something that is totally flat on the back to get the tilt I need.Tilting the TV downward won't improve the picture quality at all if that's a factor in your decision to return it, and personally i think a tilted plasma looks odd compared to the same model sitting flat against the wall. If you have 30 days to return the TV maybe give it a few more weeks to get used to the way it sits on the wall before giving up on it. The PX50 doesn't look as good as a PX500 on the wall. The bottom of the PX50 has big openings and void ares that are normally hidden by the table stand and it looks like hell from below. I don't know if the PX500's underside is any better as i've only seen the PX50 wall mounted.

The PX50 doesn't look as good as a PX500 on the wall. The bottom of the PX50 has big openings and void ares that are normally hidden by the table stand and it looks like hell from below. I don't know if the PX500's underside is any better as i've only seen the PX50 wall mounted.How can you say:

"The PX50 doesn't look as good as a PX500 on the wall."

when you have:

"only seen the PX50 wall mounted." :confused:

Took exactly a week to order and receive my PX500 yesterday afternoon from J&R in NY - very quick and efficient.

Hey folks make sure you have a helper when you receive this baby I had no idea how heavy it is in the box with all the add-ons and stand. Nothing cheaply built here I can tell you. Well protected but man is this baby heavy when everything is in that box and your by yourself trying to manuever and install the stand. Whoa! Hernia time. The week before I was moving the 60" SXRD and it was a piece of cake compared to the plasma. I now see why people have them professionally installed.

Well anyways, we had severe storms and then no cable for hours to finally connect it after I carefully tried to engineer this thing and so finally 10PM Cable returned and the wife helped me lift it onto the Bello stand. It's a beautiful TV and my wife loves it (She hated the SXRD). Right out of the box once she warmed up - the colors are outstanding without a single tweak are amazingly beautiful and great from "EVERY ANGLE" the SXRD required a damn sweet spot - this plasma has a sweet spot from anywhere in the room. A Calibrator bought my SXRD and he's supposed to return to do the plasma in about a month to perfect it.

The only thing I've seen that I may need to tweak is the whites when a full background aren't as white as they should be and I've seen others mention this but the calibrator should be able to figure it out but colors are fantastic and HD is WOW. Can't wait to see UofM go at it this weekend with the Buckeyes and hopefully ABC will do it in 16:9 like CBS does. I'll update when have more time since I had to come to work today - dammit. :(

Plasma & LCD FP Rules in our House! :D

Cool Westa, I hope you've finally found your TV. It took you awhile but you finally came to your senses. :)

Well just installed my new TH-50PX500U on the wall and I LOVE IT! I do have a question though. I've noticed that sometimes the back ground "noise" music, applause .. etc .. seems louder then the rest, is this normal, or is there a setting that I'm missing?

Also, some of the non-HD broadcasts seem a little "grainy" I'm running digital cable though HDMI connection. Is this the norm, or again, is there something I can set to change this?

Thanks in advance!

Matt
San Diego, CA

Well just installed my new TH-50PX500U on the wall and I LOVE IT! I do have a question though. I've noticed that sometimes the back ground "noise" music, applause .. etc .. seems louder then the rest, is this normal, or is there a setting that I'm missing?

Also, some of the non-HD broadcasts seem a little "grainy" I'm running digital cable though HDMI connection. Is this the norm, or again, is there something I can set to change this?

Thanks in advance!

Matt
San Diego, CA

Matt - Congrats. I'm very happy with my PX500 as well. Turn off the surround mode (I can't recall the exact name) under sound in the menu. It tends to emphasize background noise.

Try cranking sharpness way down. I prefer mine at '-23 or so. That should resolve much of the grainy feel you're noticing. Also, use cinema for SD. It's a bit softer and more forgiving of SD grain.

I just had my new 50px500u mounted above my fireplace. Whoa... may have to rethink this when I remodel. But for now I will live with it. My question is, they used an omnimount tilt mount. However because of the extra thick base, it is hardly able to tilt at all! Has anyone else wall mounted their 50px500u on a tilt mount? How were you able to get the tilt more than a couple degrees? Thanks for your help.


My 50PX500U is wall mounted. The tilt angle is a function of where you have the screws in relation to the vertical slots on the mount brackets. The lowest setting will give you the greatest tilt downward, the highest the most tilt upward. Obviously this will raise or lower your TV on the wall, so to get the setting you want, you may have to lower or raise the wall bracket on the wall,

How can you say:

"The PX50 doesn't look as good as a PX500 on the wall."

when you have:

"only seen the PX50 wall mounted." :confused:Because i've seen several pictures of both models in various wall mounted setups and the more elegant almost all-black design of the PX500 looks much better on the wall than the icky mostly silver PX50. The PX500 looks more like a piece of art where the PX50 looks like a cheap TV.

The only one i've seen in person was the PX50U (at CC and BB) but that statement was about the exposed ugly underside. That right there would keep me from wall mounting a PX50, unless i could close up the underside somehow, maybe with a narrow "shelf" running the length of the underside or a custome made cover to hide all the exposed ribs and openings along the bottom.

What else do you want to find fault with? :confused:

What else do you want to find fault with? :confused:I don't know, yet... that depends on the content of your next post. :p

Does anyone in the San Fran bay area know what the procedure is for returning a tv at the store that begins with AND? I LOVE my new 50px500u, the PQ is excellent, the functions are excellent, but it just isn't going to work for me mounted above the fireplace. It was mounted on MOnday, but because the base is thicker than the rest of the tv, I can't get any real tilt which I need because of the height. It looks great mounted up there, and I don't mind looking up, to watch, but it looks very odd not seeing the screen straight on. So, unfortunately, I need to return it and get something that is totally flat on the back to get the tilt I need.
Might be as simple as mounting a spacer board between the wall and mount (1-2") ....should give you a few more degrees of angle and be out of view behind the TV.

kreegs

I don't want to be overly pessimistic as you look toward CableCard, but I've been unable to get CableCard working in my 50PX500U despite many iterations with TWC and Panny technical support. I don't know if it's related to the QAM tuner or a different problem, but I strongly suspect that the problem is in the TV, since all channels come in fine with a set top box and I've tried three CableCards with no success.

Please post if you find out any more about resolution to your tuner problems.

Panasonic continues to ship the PX500 series with software that will not work with Motorola CableCards, and perhaps others. In my area of NJ, running on the older (incompatible) software versions seems to be the primary explanation for the symptoms you describe.

The first step is to confirm that you're on the most recent firmware. After I made the upgrade, there was plain sailing.

The version of the firmware you have can be found by enabling sound on on your TV. Then press vol up on the TV front while simultaneously pressing volume up on the remote control. You may need to hold for up to 10 secs. You may also need to play with pressing one of the buttons just a shade ahead of the other and then holding. A status screen is then displayed. This provides information about your software version, as well as channel-specific information about your authorization status from your cable provider.

The Panasonic site has a list of the software versions needed. If you need to upgrade, you can download the upgrade to your own SD card from the site, or contact Panasonic tech support, who will send you a loaner SD card with the update on it.

Applying the update is just a matter of inserting the SD card and following instructions. Of course one of the steps is to unplug the TV form the wall. This means you'll lose the TVGOS customizations and programming content your set has collected.

It was mounted on MOnday, but because the base is thicker than the rest of the tv, I can't get any real tilt which I need because of the height. It looks great mounted up there, and I don't mind looking up, to watch, but it looks very odd not seeing the screen straight on. So, unfortunately, I need to return it and get something that is totally flat on the back to get the tilt I need.
Perhaps you can get a different mount instead of a new TV.

I don't want to be overly pessimistic as you look toward CableCard, but I've been unable to get CableCard working in my 50PX500U despite many iterations with TWC and Panny technical support. I don't know if it's related to the QAM tuner or a different problem, but I strongly suspect that the problem is in the TV, since all channels come in fine with a set top box and I've tried three CableCards with no success.

Please post if you find out any more about resolution to your tuner problems.Panasonic has been building DCR-TV's that meet the OCAP 1.0 spec for years. I bought a TH-50PX50U, use Time Warner Cable and have an SA PowerKEY CableCARD installed that works perfectly... right down to TWC's annoying Conditional Access/Copy Protection enforcement policy that disables my TV's optical audio interface. :mad:

The fault is with your cable provider, their CableCARD, your incoming signal or some combination of these factors... not your TV.

This has probably been asked many times, but I can't find any posts, so please forgive me if it's redundant. I am hoping to get a TH-50PHD8UK soon and I want a good DVD player to go along with it. I'm looking for suggestions and advice...DVD's that work well, and DVD's to stay away from. I have been considering the following: Denon 2910, Yamaha DVD-s2500, Pioneer Elite DV-59AVI. Any others I should consider? I need a player that offers good sound as well as picture because it will be my only audio equipment for the time being.

This has probably been asked many times, but I can't find any posts, so please forgive me if it's redundant. I am hoping to get a TH-50PHD8UK soon and I want a good DVD player to go along with it. I'm looking for suggestions and advice...DVD's that work well, and DVD's to stay away from. I have been considering the following: Denon 2910, Yamaha DVD-s2500, Pioneer Elite DV-59AVI. Any others I should consider? I need a player that offers good sound as well as picture because it will be my only audio equipment for the time being.

Consider the Bravo D2 since it has a advanced mode that allows it to scale to the native rate of the 50PHD8UK using the DVI connector. This produces a very sharp picture for less than $250.

-- Rich

Hey is4b2rd-

Sorry to hear about your mounting dissapopintment. How was your buying experience and the deal they gave you at "And"? I've called the Redwood City store and was thinking of pulling the trigger there. I was going to buy from another place, but they won't sell the 500U. I figure I won't get as good a deal there, but delivery will be free.

Good luck with returning that set!
Nelson

Hello,

I am considering either the 42" or 50" 500u models but a little concerned after reading some posts about lack of cable card functionality and some SD images getting grainy around the edges (saw in another post). I plan on having a fairly simple set-up with a new receiver, my existing Pioneer DV-563A DVD player, and existing 5.1 Surround Sound (Boston Acoustics speakers and Mirage subwoofer). Also will add Xbox and a VCR.

I really want to take advantage of the cablecard functionality and the EPG that comes with this. Will I be happy? Any tips on connecting my set-up? I was hoping to get some feedback on similiar set-ups utilizing similiar components and the cable card w/ EPG. I live in MA as a reference and COmcast is my cable provider.

Thanks in advance!

What is the footprint size (in inches) of the pedestal/base stand for the 42px500u? I need to make sure my current CRT stand will make a safe substitute until a better one is located.

TIA,
Louie

Hello,

I am considering either the 42" or 50" 500u models but a little concerned after reading some posts about lack of cable card functionality and some SD images getting grainy around the edges (saw in another post). I plan on having a fairly simple set-up with a new receiver, my existing Pioneer DV-563A DVD player, and existing 5.1 Surround Sound (Boston Acoustics speakers and Mirage subwoofer). Also will add Xbox and a VCR.

I really want to take advantage of the cablecard functionality and the EPG that comes with this. Will I be happy? Any tips on connecting my set-up? I was hoping to get some feedback on similiar set-ups utilizing similiar components and the cable card w/ EPG. I live in MA as a reference and COmcast is my cable provider.

Thanks in advance!You will be happy with this TV. The "cablecard functionality" will be determined by your cable provider as implemented with their Conditional Access policies and if they pass TVGOS data to support the 500U's EPG.

I am likely going to buy the 42PX50U within the next two weeks. Question for those who have it: how difficult is it to attach the plasma to the stand? The salesman in a local B&M store was making a big to-do about it and stressed that it was important for his installation people to do it (at a ridiculous price, of course). Just curious whether two very handy people could easily handle the job?

I just got a 42PC50U last week. Attaching this to the stand is trivial - you do need two people, but its easy - no need for a pro. My wife & me had the stand installed in 15 minutes (easy). Now if you are talking about wall-mounting it would be a different story...


I am likely going to buy the 42PX50U within the next two weeks. Question for those who have it: how difficult is it to attach the plasma to the stand? The salesman in a local B&M store was making a big to-do about it and stressed that it was important for his installation people to do it (at a ridiculous price, of course). Just curious whether two very handy people could easily handle the job?

Agreed on the simplicity, I even did it with no help. Just need somewhere to lay the panel flat to attach the base like a large ottoman or deep couch.

Thanks....I had a feeling that this was the case. The store was just trying to throw in an additional fee.

Nelsun, my experience at the redwood city store was great. I bought both the 50px500u and the sharp lc-45gd7u. I am not going to return the panny most likely. I want to see if I can figure out how to remount it. Maybe get one of those cantilever mounts so that it can be pulled out slightly and tilted down when I need it. I do like the look of it against the wall, maybe it will look odd always angled. The sharp.. geesh, I think I may return that. The picture quality is horrible. It actually seems to have gotten much worse in the week that I have had it. Not sure what's up with it. The speakers/sound are incredible though. The best I've heard on a set. I think I need an LCD because the bedroom is very bright and I know the reflection on a plasma would be a little too much most likely.

Sorry, went off topic. The redwood city store was great, I worked with Joe, the manager.

Lisa, the 50px500u (which I am sure the 42 is the same), the stand has two "posts" and you simply lower the tv onto them and then use 4 screws to secure. Very easy.

Thanks...the store was trying to add a $180 "installation" fee by claiming that the stand was difficult to put together and that their guys were the best able to seat the plasma in the stand. I knew he was full of it but I wanted to make sure that my handyman and I could put it together.

I just ordered a 50px500u and was wondering which wall mount would be best? Would also like to know if any additional cables are necessary? This is my first plasma so any advice or links would be appreciated.