I wonder if anybody has any experience with HDMI connection between the Sanyo Z4 projector and Denon 5910? I have just received a DVD-A1XVA (European model 1080p ready) and are experiencing that when setting the projector to 0 overscan the picture on PAL disc and NTSC discs does not cover the whole picture area (ie “underscan”). Om PAL discs there are 5/6 black pixels left and right and 2/3 black pixels on the bottom of the picture. On NTSC discs the picture is shifted to the right 10/12 black pixels on the left side 4/5 black pixels at the bottom and zero at the top and right side. Have you experienced something simular? It seems like the scaler is not scaling properly. I can of course turn on the overscan on the projector but much of the point of buying a player with the DVDO scaler integrated is to omit the projectors scaler.


I've been meaning to drop Kris a line. Haven't talked to him in a month or so. I'll ask him about it. He told me he helped a friend setup an S3 once. But, it was awhile ago. I don't know if he can remember specifics that far back or not. I know I can't.

If the difference was between a 4:3 letterboxed disc and squeezed 16:9 it could be something in the player handling it differently. But, there is no reason I can think of why a scaler would respond differently to two different discs, both encoded at 16:9. The difference has to be in the framing on the disc. Also, it's not unique to the 5910 or S3. I've seen the same thing at 0% overscan with other players and other displays with component and digital inputs.



Hi

There are variations between various DVD’s but most new well mastered risks disks are consistent with the observations reported in the previous post (above). I have also used the DVE disc in both PAL and NTSC and watched the overscan patterns with the same result and I assume at least they are correctly mastered.

The reason I suspect the player is that I have tried other DVD players without experiencing this issue and that there are differences between PAL and NTSC discs. The NTSC discs are shifted to the right ref my first post.

Any comments on my suspicion? Any suggestion on how to confirm if the problem is in the player or the projector?

I am a brand new owner of the Denon 5910 and have hooked it up to my Sony Ruby projector yesterday. I am amazed at the quality of the picture I am receiving on the Ruby and a good friend of mine who actually does ISF calibrations was over and was also amazed at the quality of the picture. We have not even yet done any calibration on the Sony Ruby.

I do have a quick question that I could not locate the answer to in the manual. I have all my equipment installed on a rack on the side of the theater and use an IR target at the front of the theater which then leads to IR emitters that are stuck on the front of the various pieces of equipment. I noticed what looks like an IR jack in the back of the Denon. Can this be used to do a direct IR connection so I don't have to stick an IR emitter on the front of the unit?

Thanks for any assistance.

Scott

front of the unit, im not aware of any IR jack in the rear of the unit

I should have been more specific. On the back of the unit in an area labeled remote control and to the right of the Rs232 connector there are 2 jacks labeled room to room in and out. This is different than the Denon link jack on the back. I could not find anything in the manual that references exactly what these connections are for and thought they might be a way to transfer IR commands.

Scott

Paying as much as we paid for this thing, I would err on the side of caution and stick to what we know for sure and save the speculation for another time, Ive got my emitter in the conventional spot but if and when you do find out what those jacks are feel free to share the info, till then..... enjoy! :)

If I'm not mistaken those two jack holes are for on/off triggers...?

Keenan,

While I have seen similar jacks on other pieces of equipment used for on/off triggers, these are definately labeled room in and room out in a section of the back panel labeled remote control. That would be very unusual labeling for on/off triggers. I can't understand why I couldn't find anything in the instruction manual that describes what these are for.

Scott

That's true, I was just taking a guess. Call Denon tech support, they are usually pretty helpful, I had to call just yesterday about my 5900, only took a minute or so to get to the right person.

Keenan,

That is probably the best idea to call Denon since there is nothing in the manual I can find and noone else seems to know. I will let everyone know what I find out.

Scott

Keenan,

That is probably the best idea to call Denon since there is nothing in the manual I can find and noone else seems to know. I will let everyone know what I find out.

Scott

On the AVR-5803, that label is for the input for an RF remote base station that comes with the 5803. I haven't looked at those 5910's inputs to see if they are marked the same. However, DENON is very good at properly marking trigger inputs with a 12V indicator.

You are correct that staying on the side of caution with a 5910 is a very good idea.

Andy

I did talk to Denon tech support. Those connections are to hook other pieces of Denon equipment to and then turning the AC power off on one unit, will turn the AC power off on the other unit.

Scott

:p So it is a sort of power trigger.

Keenan,

You were correct. I should have never doubted you :) :)

I didn't ask, but I assume these are designed only to connect other Denon equipment to and could not be used as general triggers, at least I am not going to try :D

Scott

The 5910ci does seem to have some issues playing certain DVD-R discs. Other Denon players like the 2910 and 1600 have the same problems on the same discs. The disc starts out playing fine then after about 5 - 10 minutes the picture starts breaking up, slowing down and then just stops playing with a disjointed picture with macroblocking frozen on the screen. The Pioneer Elite 79avi plays the same discs with absolutely no problem at all. What gives? I thought the 5910 was not supposed to have these issues.

Chuck1801,
Certain DVD-R dics? Could you be more specific?
Are they DVD-R or +R or both.
Any specific brand?
What software are you using?
I use Verbatim DVD+Rs with DVD Idle software.
No issues so far but I don't have the 5910ci just the regular model.

The particular discs were of the 2004 foosball World Championships and were commercially produced by Inside Foos Productions. Jim Stevens who runs Inside Foos told me they were authored on Apple Macintosh and he has sold hundreds of copies to people across the US and around the world. The discs play fine in the vast majority of DVD players but not in my 5910ci or on the 2910. They play fine on the Pioneer 79avi. I'll try to get some more info.

Don't buy crappy brands with bad media dye ;) It's all down to how good the dye is. All dvd players have problems with certain dvd-r or dvd+r discs and dyes. If it was an original disc there would be reason for complaining. For example, some Denons don't like TTG02 dye (TDK uses this on some of their 1-8X DVD-R batches). Make sure to get a brand with good media dye.

Chuck,
I assumed you had made these yourself and would know the particulars.

I have both devices hooked up via IEEE1394 Firewire and DenonLink V3. I didn't know if it was necessary when I set up both units, so just hooked up both since he cables were there. I am currently using IEEE1394 and am able to play all media (DVD-V, DVD-A, redbook CD and SACD with no problems. I have fumbled around the menus of both devices and find that whenever I select DenonLink I "break" at least one function, so always revert back to IEEE1394. My question--is this "normal"? Has anyone else experienced this? Is it really a "one-or-the-other" situation with these links? Please advise if you can shed some light. Thanks!

I have both devices hooked up via IEEE1394 Firewire and DenonLink V3. I didn't know if it was necessary when I set up both units, so just hooked up both since he cables were there. I am currently using IEEE1394 and am able to play all media (DVD-V, DVD-A, redbook CD and SACD with no problems. I have fumbled around the menus of both devices and find that whenever I select DenonLink I "break" at least one function, so always revert back to IEEE1394. My question--is this "normal"? Has anyone else experienced this? Is it really a "one-or-the-other" situation with these links? Please advise if you can shed some light. Thanks!
Yes you have to choose, it is either Denon-Link or IEEE1394. You cannot have both simutaneously.
Take care

Thanks for the response. Strange that the documentation doesn't spell it out more clearly. I think I'll pull the Denon-Link--one less cablin in the snarl and isn't that what it's all about??

Strange that the documentation doesn't spell it out more clearly. Strange? This is Denon "documentation" right? ;)

:D

Denon manuals are famous for being unnecessarily confusing and seem to strive to not give the exact answer you're looking for.

I would try both, one at a time...

I believe I heard the Denon link hac better bandwidth and you may hear a difference.

Just a thought, and let us know.

Re: Denon documentation--I actually found it to be regreshingly complete for the most part. I've been using Sony amps and DVD players the past 10 years or so and it was always a bit lacking--like didn't want to reveal too much for fear someone would "get it" and hack their rigs. Being an old radio buff, I miss the days when hacking and mods were encouraged (sigh).

Anyway, I'll research some more and see what I can find. I will probably stick with the IEEE standard--prefer them over proprietary solutions. Cheers!

One other thing... since I'm transferring the ones and zeros to the amp for D-to-A conversion, does anyone know if the AVR-4806 has the same DACs as those purported to be in the 5910? I believe they're touted as Burr Brown DACs in the player. I apologize if this should be posted in the AVR-4806 thread.

One other thing... since I'm transferring the ones and zeros to the amp for D-to-A conversion, does anyone know if the AVR-4806 has the same DACs as those purported to be in the 5910? I believe they're touted as Burr Brown DACs in the player. I apologize if this should be posted in the AVR-4806 thread.
I believe the DACs in the 5910 are the same ones that are in the 5805 which are of higher quality than those found in the 4806.
Is there an audible difference?

dc

This is my first post on this board. Hello AVS members. :)

I like the forum a lot and I read through this whole thread yesterday and enjoyed it. Some very good posts in this thread. Right now I am browsing a lot of threads and reading through them to get a feel of this very big e-community. :cool: Mr. Pointdexter's (spelling?) HT thread is also brilliant! What a fantastic collection of equipment he has chosen for his HT. Brilliant.

I am actually considering the Denon DVD-A1XVA (Asian/European 1080p version of the 5910) but I will have to look at my pocket. I've only recently upgraded to the Denon AVC-A11XV (4805 amp is it?) and also placed an order for a Jamo THX Ultra 7.1 speaker set. This thread has helped a lot to give me the confidence in purchasing an expensive DVD player for my standards. Now I need to save up and hopefully go for this player in the future. HD-DVD / Blu-Ray is still far for me as I am not an early adopter and will like to wait it out before there is a universal player which good muscles to flex in this domain. I would be more comfortable with such a purchase.

I have to take it step by step to move into the HD age. After the DVD player will be the 1080i projector and I am sure this forum and the members will be helpful to guide me.

A big 'Hello' from me! Great forum. :cool:


Best,
Haroon Malik.

Haroon...

Welcome!

Hey guys! I am back again, like an addict. Nothing to do while Denon is repairing my player -- for the third time -- but read in envy your stories of 5910 nirvanna.

My 5910, when it worked, was awesome. But in four months, I was only able to see FIVE DVDs in such bliss.

What is the chance of this happening? Once mine is fixed, should I expect it to last 5 years? Man, I hope so.

Anyway, just reading that both Sony and Toshiba have delayed their next gen players. Those of you who have the best, and didn't wait for Blue Ray /HD-DVD are looking smart, and watching the best movie PQ around.

April is coming, and I have been waiting for satisfaction since I purchased mine in NOVEMBER.

Anybody considering DAKMART should read my postings, using search.

My 5910 arrived DOA, unable to even play the AVIA dvd for calibration. NO REFUNDS. Say goodbye to $2400 plus shipping (at today's price).

I had already spent $11,500 on speakers, display/stand, 4806 Denon AVR, cables, not counting hours of self-insatall (I'm an ex-builder -- it looks great in that room!). We watch TV for consolation. The basic Sony DVD does not even compare. So I don't waste time watching DVD's, waiting for a working 5910. To be honest, the kids don't seem to mind. This makes me wonder if the high end is worth it. Obviously, it's we guys who seem to get out of control.

Anybody considering how any 5910 will be serviced, I can tell you it took 3 weeks the first time in December (from the day of arrival 12/6 when I learned it was dead and called for help until 12/23rd) and then 5 weeks, the second time (1/26 until 3/8), just to even get a RMA to be able to send it back. First repair was returned 1/26.

The only DVD's I watched trouble-free was on 1/26, 1/27 and then 1/28 when it locked up.

$500 per DVD and I didn't get lucky.

Hey guys! I am back again, like an addict. Nothing to do while Denon is repairing my player -- for the third time -- but read in envy your stories of 5910 nirvanna.

My 5910, when it worked, was awesome. But in four months, I was only able to see FIVE DVDs in such bliss.

What is the chance of this happening? Once mine is fixed, should I expect it to last 5 years? Man, I hope so.

Anyway, just reading that both Sony and Toshiba have delayed their next gen players. Those of you who have the best, and didn't wait for Blue Ray /HD-DVD are looking smart, and watching the best movie PQ around.

April is coming, and I have been waiting for satisfaction since I purchased mine in NOVEMBER.

Anybody considering DAKMART should read my postings, using search.

My 5910 arrived DOA, unable to even play the AVIA dvd for calibration. NO REFUNDS. Say goodbye to $2400 plus shipping (at today's price).

I had already spent $11,500 on speakers, display/stand, 4806 Denon AVR, cables, not counting hours of self-insatall (I'm an ex-builder -- it looks great in that room!). We watch TV for consolation. The basic Sony DVD does not even compare. So I don't waste time watching DVD's, waiting for a working 5910. To be honest, the kids don't seem to mind. This makes me wonder if the high end is worth it. Obviously, it's we guys who seem to get out of control.

Anybody considering how any 5910 will be serviced, I can tell you it took 3 weeks the first time in December (from the day of arrival 12/6 when I learned it was dead and called for help until 12/23rd) and then 5 weeks, the second time (1/26 until 3/8), just to even get a RMA to be able to send it back. First repair was returned 1/26.

The only DVD's I watched trouble-free was on 1/26, 1/27 and then 1/28 when it locked up.

$500 per DVD and I didn't get lucky.
Norm you should have gotten the Oppo as a backup. The picture is excellent. My 5910 never mis-behaved (knock on wood 3 times !!!).
Take care,

I'll look into an OPPO.

I nearly bought a 3910 for the basement until the DAKMART owner showed up and messed with the deal his salesman & I were setting up. I wanted another, though lesser set up than my 4806/5910 for the basement. Still, he lost about 3 gran more for not fixing up my 5910 problem the way his salesman had promised a week earlier, before my trip!

What an ignorant SOB. He lost my business, and I went to his shop in Hallandale in person! (Flew in from Maryland)

Any update yet on the 1080P software upgrade for existing DVD-5910/DVD-A1XV owners?

Any update yet on the 1080P software upgrade for existing DVD-5910/DVD-A1XV owners?

My understanding is that the ci upgrade is hardware too. I don't know since my ci came straight from Denon :)

My understanding is that the ci upgrade is hardware too. I don't know since my ci came straight from Denon :)

It has been announced that only units built before a certian date (not sure of the exact date) will require the hardware upgrade in addition to the firmware patch.

Half

If you don't have a 1080p capable display, the hardware upgrade is useless.

Anyone know if there have been any firmware updates for this player? Considering how many that has been for the DVD-3910.

It has been announced that only units built before a certian date (not sure of the exact date) will require the hardware upgrade in addition to the firmware patch.

Half

Beside 1080p , can anyone tell me if there is any differences on the PQ and features since it require a hardware upgrade ?

There are other improvements, I believe with the scaler.

Search the thread, look for Kris Deerings posts.

according to Kris the additional improvents in scaler and otherwise show no evident improvement in picture quality so it seems like really what you really gain is the 1080p support, I can support his findings since I oringally had the 5910 and now I have the CI version and I cannot tell a difference in the image quality, obviously 1080p support could be a different story however im not using that resolution at this time

Nobody knows about the firmware?

according to Kris the additional improvents in scaler and otherwise show no evident improvement in picture quality so it seems like really what you really gain is the 1080p support, I can support his findings since I oringally had the 5910 and now I have the CI version and I cannot tell a difference in the image quality, obviously 1080p support could be a different story however im not using that resolution at this time


Thanks . :p

Nobody knows about the firmware?
Our Denon rep maintains that a firmware upgrade will be available. He said it would be in a week. That was about two weeks ago. This of course only covers units with a serial number higher than 500(as I recall). We really want to upgrade to 1080p in the field as this unit is not near our office. Anyone else heard anything?

I am thinking about getting this dvd player for my new nec 61RX4 panel, is this still currenlty the best dvd player out there for the money?

I am thinking about getting this dvd player for my new nec 61RX4 panel, is this still currenlty the best dvd player out there for the money?

If your display's native resolution is either 720p or 1080i you will be hard pressed to find a better standard definition scaling dvd player on the market. The HQV de-interlacing combined with 10bit DVDO scaling is really in a class of it's own.

If your display will not accept 720p or 1080i then there might be some advantage to using an outboard scaler that offers custom resolutions, but you will be spending big $ to get one that offers HQV processing.

Is it the best DVD player out there for the money? In terms of bang for the buck, NO, you can get very competitive video performance for far less $. However, if you are asking if it is without regard to cost the best standard definition DVD video player and a very competitive high end redbook, SACD, DVDA player than the answer is a definite YES.

If you do purchase, you won't be disappointed, go for it!

Half

I don't think this is against forum rules, but I put my 5910ci up for sale on the For Sale section. Please take a look.

FilmMixer why have you decided to sell it?

Still no update in the 1080P firmware updates?

FilmMixer why have you decided to sell it?

Still no update in the 1080P firmware updates?

It's already upgraded / came upgraded. I have been using it 1080p to my Ruby and it's awesome. I am going to go the external scaler route, and I will need to feed it 480i, which is about the only thing this player doesn't do.... It's awesome, and sounds amazing (using DL3 to a 5805, which is going too), but in the new system, it will be overkill.

So 1080P HQV from the Denon to the Ruby is not as good as 480i going to a scaler and then to the Ruby?

As for the 1080P upgrade it was a general question for those that need the 1080P firmware update.

Nevermind I think I can see what you are upgrading to. The Anthem D2? Those screen shots of Levasque Ruby looks nice but is the method of 480i over to the Scaler better than a the Denon outputting 1080P? Guess you will soon be able to tell us :)

Just hope come September Denon release the AVR-5807 with these same scaling abilities.

So 1080P HQV from the Denon to the Ruby is not as good as 480i going to a scaler and then to the Ruby?

As for the 1080P upgrade it was a general question for those that need the 1080P firmware update.

I don't know what's going on with Denon... no ci on their website, no 5805 upgrades, and no 5910 to ci updates as of late.... I'll have to email Denon Jeff and make sure he checks in here......

Denon UK have the DVD A1XVA up on their website and sometime this month they're supposed to be posting details of the updated AVCA1XVA amp model which includes the upgrades (analog to HDMI upconversion and scaling etc). Presumably details for upgrading existing AVCA1XV's will also appear soon.

I don't know what's going on with Denon... no ci on their website, no 5805 upgrades, and no 5910 to ci updates as of late.... I'll have to email Denon Jeff and make sure he checks in here......It seems Denon doesn't update the US site.
If you go to the Denon Germany site you'll see the DVD-A1XVA which is the same as the 5910ci.
They even list the upgrade for the DVD-A1XV (aka 5910) which in Germany costs 299 EUR. They also mention their network upgrades for the top processors/receivers.
Link: http://www.denon.de/site/frames_main.php?main=prod&ver=&MID=3&sub=1&action=detail&Pid=268

On the UK site they also show the upgraded model with 1080p.
Link: http://www.denon.co.uk/site/frames_main.php?main=prod&ver=&MID=3&sub=1&action=detail&Pid=268

It seems Denon doesn't update the US site.
If you go to the Denon Germany site you'll see the DVD-A1XVA which is the same as the 5910ci.
They even list the upgrade for the DVD-A1XV (aka 5910) which in Germany costs 299 EUR. They also mention their network upgrades for the top processors/receivers.
Link: http://www.denon.de/site/frames_main.php?main=prod&ver=&MID=3&sub=1&action=detail&Pid=268

Pedro

When they mention a price of 3,799 €, does it reflect the actual price you can get in shops?

Pedro

When they mention a price of 3,799 €, does it reflect the actual price you can get in shops?3,799€ is the MSRP in Germany.
As always, you can get it a little lower if you find the right dealer. :)

3,799€ is the MSRP in Germany.
As always, you can get it a little lower if you find the right dealer. :)

I'm currently resident in the UAE... The price here is 1/3 lower than the German price... :eek:

I'm picky about video and audio so I bought the 5910 as a I create my home theater. My apartment has some space limitations as well as lots of sunlight, so for tv I am thinking of going with a 50" plasma screen (as opposed to a projector).

Question: with the processing in this player would it be silly to drop a wad of cash on a plasma from a company known for its video technology (such as fujitsu or runco)? Or would I use the plasma's technology for everything but video from the 5910? I have a relative who runs a store who can set me up with a runco 50" at cost (or an LG or toshiba).

BTW I'd appreciate knowing which plasmas you have seen paired with this hefty monster (I had fun lugging it up 7 flights of stairs!) and how they fared.

thanks,

doug

I'm picky about video and audio so I bought the 5910 as a I create my home theater. My apartment has some space limitations as well as lots of sunlight, so for tv I am thinking of going with a 50" plasma screen (as opposed to a projector).

Question: with the processing in this player would it be silly to drop a wad of cash on a plasma from a company known for its video technology (such as fujitsu or runco)? Or would I use the plasma's technology for everything but video from the 5910? I have a relative who runs a store who can set me up with a runco 50" at cost (or an LG or toshiba).

BTW I'd appreciate knowing which plasmas you have seen paired with this hefty monster (I had fun lugging it up 7 flights of stairs!) and how they fared.

thanks,

doug


IMHO I think your display decision should be based soley on "first hand comparison" if possible. However, my guess would be that if you can find a display that has a native resolution that matches the 5910 (480p, 720p, 1080i, or 1080p ci only) then the scaler of the 5910 should be superior to most if not all on-board display scalers.

My opinion is not based on "first hand" experience as I use an LCD RPTV, but I hope this helps.

Half

The "CCS" setting in the picture adjust menu. What does i ACTUALLY do? I understand that it stands for "Cross Color Supressor" but I can not see any difference at all between ON and OFF (and I tried a lot of different movies back and forth). Maybe it's not effective in DVI/HDMI mode or something like that? Anyway, setup is D65 calibrated H79 using DVI-DVI from european DVD-A1XV.

The "CCS" setting in the picture adjust menu. What does i ACTUALLY do? I understand that it stands for "Cross Color Supressor" but I can not see any difference at all between ON and OFF (and I tried a lot of different movies back and forth). Maybe it's not effective in DVI/HDMI mode or something like that? Anyway, setup is D65 calibrated H79 using DVI-DVI from european DVD-A1XV.

I believe that the "CCS" setting is designed to address anomolies that are inherent in composite output signals not s-video, component, or dvi/hdmi.

Half

I believe that the "CCS" setting is designed to address anomolies that are inherent in composite output signals not s-video, component, or dvi/hdmi.

Half

Thanks for the info.

HI GUYS, I am a new to this thread .
i am currently thinking of upgrading my DVD player to either denon A1XV OR the Marantz dv9600 via HDMI to marantz S4 pj. any advise as to which will be more compatible in video performance . Some guys suggested to go with marantz9600 as it has better audio capability. apreciate v much if any one could advise. TQ

You'd probably have to hear the audio for yourself. The 5910 is supposed to have excellent audio also. Videowise, the 5910 will be better because of the HQV deinterlacer - MPEG decoding and deinterlacing are the most crucial pieces of good DVD performance.

larry

IMHO the 5910 has VERY good SACD/DVDA playback and admirable Redbook CD playback. A hi-end standalone CD might out do it in Redbook playback, but not by much. Stereophile recently gave it a Class A rating for audio playback which is not a common rating for Universal players of less than "boutique" classification.

As mentioned in the previous post, the Marantz while having a good scaler, won't offer the deinterlacing performance of the 5910 either.

Good luck...

Half

I have just upgraded my 5910 to 1080p . Notice there is slight improvement on the picture motion and effectiveness on the NR . Anyone else can confirm ? FYI , I am only comparing 720p before and after the upgrade since my pj native is 720p only.

Jason,

Do you happen to know if they changed anything in hardware or was it only firmware?
Did you noticed any changes on the setup or pic adj menus?

Thanks

I have just upgraded my 5910 to 1080p . Notice there is slight improvement on the picture motion and effectiveness on the NR . Anyone else can confirm ? FYI , I am only comparing 720p before and after the upgrade since my pj native is 720p only.

Can you check out "Finding Nemo" just in the opening sequence when Marlin and Coral swims in front of their nest, with the NR ON? With NR ON (even at +1) there is a visible "trail effect" behind Marlin in that scene. (I'm using the european 5910 (A1XV). Not 1080p upgraded.

Jason,

Do you happen to know if they changed anything in hardware or was it only firmware?
Did you noticed any changes on the setup or pic adj menus?

Thanks

Yes , there is a hardware upgrade too .

Setup and pic adj is unchange except mine change from Denon link 2nd to 3rd edition .

[Yes , there is a hardware upgrade too.]

Thanks Jason for the reply but was your unit a firmware upgrade or was it hardware upgrade?

Both hardware and firmware upgarde . My unit is the early batch,only Denon link 2nd edition. The Denon technician say it is a must to upgrade to 3rd edition inorder to upgrade to 1080p .

Those who already has the Denon link 3rd edition but 720p, the upgrade time is faster but still need a hardware upgrade .

Those like mine only 2nd edition will take longer times for the upgrading .

So to conclude , if your set need to upgrade to 1080p , there is always a hardware and firmware upgrade .

Thanks Jason

Does the 5910ci have an input which would allow you to scale another player?

Both hardware and firmware upgarde . My unit is the early batch,only Denon link 2nd edition. The Denon technician say it is a must to upgrade to 3rd edition inorder to upgrade to 1080p .

Those who already has the Denon link 3rd edition but 720p, the upgrade time is faster but still need a hardware upgrade .

Those like mine only 2nd edition will take longer times for the upgrading .

So to conclude , if your set need to upgrade to 1080p , there is always a hardware and firmware upgrade .


That goes against everything else we heard from Denon (that later built units would only need a software upgrade). I really don't want to send my player back to the factory.

If they do indeed all require a hardware fix, hopefully they will do them at the dealer locations...

That goes against everything else we heard from Denon (that later built units would only need a software upgrade). I really don't want to send my player back to the factory.

If they do indeed all require a hardware fix, hopefully they will do them at the dealer locations...

I am not sure about other countries . For Singapore , the only way to get it done is to send back to Denon sevice center since it takes time to do it and testing . Minimum is 2 days here .

My friend bought the 5910(3rd edition , 720p) 3 months ago also need to change the hardware .

Does the 5910ci have an input which would allow you to scale another player?

Unfortunately not.

Does this player have any problems playing dual disks?

I only own a couple, but they both play fine in my 5910. The redbook layer wouldn't play in my 5900 at all.

Half

I've got a 5910 and an SDI modded RP82/Iscan HD combo. And have compared the two systems feeding a 720p DLP pj and now a 1080p SXRD pj. At 720p they were neck and neck for the most part. Really, I had a hard time telling a difference switching back and forth between the two on a very revealing 92" Silverstar screen. Feeding 1080i to the SXRD, I'm getting some y/c delay on red with the 5910 that the 82/Iscan combo doesn't have. I haven't completely ruled out the scaling in the display as the cause for the delay, but it appears to be from the Denon. I've got a VP30 on order, so hopefully, I'll be able to correct y/c delay and confirm a few things then. I'm a little disappointed that the 5910 doesn't have y/c adjustment built-in. I'm also disappointed that it didn't support 1080p and 480i output digitally. Though, an upgrade should soon rectify the 1080p part at least. Also, inexcusably missing from the 5910 is a vertical stretch mode for non-anamorphic dvds. If you have any non-anamorphic discs, you have to either watch them window boxed in the middle of your screen or use one of the very poor zoom functions in the player that are not designed for actual use, as they horribly degrade image quality and do not optimize 4:3 letterboxed to fit 16:9 screens without cutting off part of the picture. The vertical stretch mode available in the Iscan products is excellent at making 4:3 letterboxed achieve its full potential on 16:9 screens.


Has the verticle stretch improved with the Ci version?

I currently own the Denon 2900 and am interested in upgrading to the 5910.

I recently read on another board where people were sending these units (5910) in for stage modifications. I'm aware of this being done for the 2900 and 3910 but had not heard of this upgrade to the 5910? Does anyone have any experience with this or insight as to is overall value to an already costly machine?

Thanks!

I currently own the Denon 2900 and am interested in upgrading to the 5910.

I recently read on another board where people were sending these units (5910) in for stage modifications. I'm aware of this being done for the 2900 and 3910 but had not heard of this upgrade to the 5910? Does anyone have any experience with this or insight as to is overall value to an already costly machine?

Thanks!

rjg54,

I purchased a new and modified 5910 directly from Mike, the owner of Hot Rod Audio Mods http://www.hotrodaudiomods.com/. He worked closely with Alex Peychev of APL HiFi, (who builds some cutting edge stuff for the 3910), to come up with a toned down version for the already exemplary 5910. The master clock is replaced among other things. I also requested and had the op amps replaced on the two channel output stage. All together I probably spent an additional $700 on modifications which leads me to why I did it. I don't have $10k for two killer units, one that plays CDs, SACDs, and DVD-As, the other being an exceptional DVD player. For 'very little' extra $ I believe I now have an improved video playback unit as well as bona fide audiophile unit for music, either Stereo or multi-channel. I have had my modified 5910 for almost 6 months now and am thrilled by its performance every time I use it.

By the way, Mike is a super guy to talk to and will work with you to achieve any level of modification you desire, that is, you're not stuck with a package that includes modes you'd really rather not pay for. It's all there on his website. Feel free to pm me if you like.

mark

I am also very pleased with my HRAM modded 5910. Mike's capable installation of the APL clock, BB OPA-627 op amps in the output stage, chassis damping and electrolytics upgrades combine to take the already sonically excellent 5910 to a higher level.

The modded 5910 is top shelf for audio and video in one box and while a bit pricey, is a fraction of what comparable performance would cost with equally high end separates.

If your input device is the weak link in your playback chain (speakers, pre-amp and amp), the HRAM 5910 will bring about dramatic improvements in your listening experience.

Highly recommended.

Thanks for the insight...!

I to am looking for a quality player (universal) to reduce the number of required components needed as well as save a little money. I love my 2900 and the 5910 with modifications appears at this point to be a great long term investment...

Unfortunately I am at a loss for understanding the improvements to the video signal. Are the improvements to the video included in one of the stage packages or an extra???

My intent is to mate a new universal player with a recently purchased Arcam 300 receiver and a pending Panasonic 600 plasma tv.

The modded 5910 is top shelf for audio and video in one box and while a bit pricey, is a fraction of what comparable performance would cost with equally high end separates.

Highly recommended.

Not to mention your savings on cables--especially if you like expensive ones!

......:)

Unfortunately I am at a loss for understanding the improvements to the video signal. Are the improvements to the video included in one of the stage packages or an extra???



I would expose myself as a village idiot if I tried to tell you so I have included the URL where you can find the description for the Master Clock Generator (http://www.aplhifi.com/Masterclock.html). I hope this helps.

In answer to the second part of the quote above, the master clock upgrade is part of all Mikes upgrade stages starting with the first most basic stage 1 modd. Check out the list of upgrades for each stage by returning to the HRAM home page and click on the Denon 3910 near the bottom.

In all fairness, HRAM isn't the only one doing 5910 modds but IMHO they had the clearest, most straight forward approach. I spent 6 months comparing as many of the different modifications as I could find, in most cases, talking to the owner/modifier.

Enjoy!

In all fairness, HRAM isn't the only one doing 5910 modds but IMHO they had the clearest, most straight forward approach. I spent 6 months comparing as many of the different modifications as I could find, in most cases, talking to the owner/modifier.

Which modifiers did you compare it to? Reference audio mods, underwood, etc...?

Which modifiers did you compare it to? Reference audio mods, underwood, etc...?

After weeding out those with little or no experience I focused squarely on APL HiFi, HRAM, and Underwood. To tell the truth, Reference Audio Mods dropped out of my sights. No explanation.

mark

I would expose myself as a village idiot ...

Hey!!.....

I resemble that remark....:)

...

Hey!!.....

I resemble that remark....:)

I knew I'd seen that expression around here before! When it comes to explaining electronics I just couldn't think of a better moniker for myself when I wrote that. However, I am ashamed I did not seek prior approval for its use ;). As I write this I'm racking my brain for an alternative. All I can think of is Virtual Dork but it just doesn't roll off the tongue the same way.

Still no update on the 1080P firmware update?

Anyone here do vid comparison test against the new Toshiba HD-DVD player?

Just curious.....

Anyone here do vid comparison test against the new Toshiba HD-DVD player?

Just curious.....

IMHO if you asking the comparison between standard definiton playback then the 5910 wins hands down. However if you are asking about a comparison between the standard def playback of the 5910 to the High Def playback of the Toshiba then the Toshiba would certainly win by a significant margin.

The real dertimining factor as to how much better the Hi-Def dvd would look will have to do with your display size and viewing distance. There are numerous reviews on the first HD DVD titles available, they all concur that HD DVD is a superior format, as if should be.

If you are like me and many other 5910 owners you likely have a very large selection of standard definition dvds that you aren't planning on ditching anytime soon. Also if you are a fan of DVDA or SACD and want a universal player that also has excellent redbook cd playback then you will also find a reason to keep your 5910 even if you decide to be an early adopter of one of the Hi-Def formats.

Hope this answers your question...

Half

half - Thanks very much for the respones - yeah, I meant std def 5910 vs. Toshiba hi def. I dont know - maybe it is my older non-DVI/HDMI Mitsu HDTV and/or my viewing distance, but the 5910 more than holds it's own (for me at least) against HBO and Showtime HD content - hence why I was curious about the initial HD-DVD player performance.

I invested in the 5910 last year because I do still own over 1000 SD DVD's (down from over 2000) and also have a large DVD-A and SACD library that I plan to enjoy for years to come.

I'll probably wait to upgrade the HDTV before I dive into HD-DVD and/or Blu-Ray players but that $500 price for the Toshiba is tempting.....

half - Thanks very much for the respones - yeah, I meant std def 5910 vs. Toshiba hi def. I dont know - maybe it is my older non-DVI/HDMI Mitsu HDTV and/or my viewing distance, but the 5910 more than holds it's own (for me at least) against HBO and Showtime HD content - hence why I was curious about the initial HD-DVD player performance.

I invested in the 5910 last year because I do still own over 1000 SD DVD's (down from over 2000) and also have a large DVD-A and SACD library that I plan to enjoy for years to come.

I'll probably wait to upgrade the HDTV before I dive into HD-DVD and/or Blu-Ray players but that $500 price for the Toshiba is tempting.....

If your display doesn't support DVI/HDMI inputs than you cannot feed it a "scaled" image from the 5910 anyway, as it only supports scaling from the digital outputs. In addition if the DVD software distributors decide to cripple the analog outputs of the HD DVD/Blue Ray players you won't be able to see a "true" HD output with your display either. Sounds like a display upgrade would definitely be justified prior to a player upgrade at this point.

Keep in mind that the playback quality of the HD feeds from HBO, Showtime, Discovery Channel, etc... are often hindered by nasty compression artifacts that are a result of the signal providers (Dish, Direct, Cable) ability to sustain bandwidth. All of the signal providers have to balance signal quality vs more content, and in most cases additional channels are considered priority.

You made an important point with your statement, most people compare DVD playback with the limited HD broadcast currently availalbe so they are not likely to see a "need" for a new optical format. The other factor is that the differences between 480i and 1080i are not night and day until they are displayed on larger screens or from closer view distances.

Many people, including myself, are more bothered by mpeg/de-interlacing artifacts than they are by a softer "lower resolution" image, so a quality standard def DVD can actually look "better" than a poor HD feed.

However, in an apple to apple, head to head comparison with properly set up equipment it would be hard for anyone to say that the SD content of any player could compare with that of a HD content. With the exception of the "full screen VHS crowd" that still are renting from blockbuster! :)

Remember, cassette tape didn't replace reel to reel or LP because it's better sound quality, VHS didn't defeat Beta because or it's superior picture, Laser Disc couldn't compete against VHS because it was infereior, and SACD and DVDA aren't a dying format because MP3 sounds better. The vast majority of the consumer market want smaller, more portable, easier to use formats without regard to true performance. This is a reality that will likely cause the HD format war to drag on for quite some time.

I went to BB last tuesday to see if they had a display of the HD DVD Toshiba player, but none was displayed. If one of america's largest retailers isn't excited about the new format than how is the general consumer going to be?

Half

Half,

I just got back from a BB a few minutes ago. I looked for the HD DVD display too. I found it, but both the player and the set were turned off. The movies (all 6 of them) were selling for around $26.00.

I'll wait...

Kal,
I am looking forward to Part 2 of your article on the 5910 & 4806.
I realize the point of the article was to explore the digital connectivity and Auto-EQ features but have you connected the 5910 to the 4806 via analog cables and used the 5910's internal D\A conversion....

I'd be interested to hear your impressions.

BTW, I enjoy your column immensely.


I just read Kal's article in Stereophile and need to clarify Milt99's good question.

Kal spoke to the convenience of the DL3 digital link, and the similar sonic transfer betw/ the IEEE1394 and the DL3.

BUT -- Milt99 asked about using the analogue output for the multi-channels to TAKE ADVANTAGE of the better quality DAC's in the 5910 than the 4806.

Does this make a difference??? I would guess so, but what do you professionals hear.

My 5910 just came back from its third repair and sadly have used it less than 7 days since I bought in NOVEMBER. And so, Kal's comments on Denon service and repairs echoed my experience. No trouble with the 4806.

I just ordered my first SACD's and DVD-A's from cduniverse. So I can't say I am excited enough!

F/u to my own Q:

I reviewed the 5910 manual, in PURE DIRECT mode, with ALL OFF (digital audio and digital video o/p both off), only analogue is output (pg 50).

Since my only connection to the 4806 AVR is via DL3, am I correct in saying that the DL3 carries analogue data; and further, that this totally replaces the need for 6-8 separate muliple analogue RCA cables in my 5.1/7.1 HT? And, finally, that this is the best sound possible, as well as a helluva convenient way to go?

Sorry to hijack the thread..... I'm working to learn what know you guys learned long ago. I have searched the archives, and still need help. My 5910 manual is dated 2004, and mentions DL2 -- but my 5910 was upgraded recently to DL3.

Re-reading and playing around, I believe now, that highest rez playback is EXT IN using analogue RCA jacks from 5910 to 4806, and to play this in PURE DIRECT on the 4806 AVR (stereo and LFE only); second best, is multi-ch in 5.1, presuming some minor noise occurs with multiple transformers in use; however, multi-channel processing into various modes, nor Audyssey MultiEq are not allowed in the 4806; but, some speakr configuration is allowed in the 5910.

This does take advantage of the DAC's in the 5910, though. Here, there is up to 192 hz sampling in 2-ch, or 96 hz in 5.1, then off to the 4806 where AL 24 processes and no digital noise interference for play in pure direct mode.

But I want to use my 7.1 HT set-up and must accept the compromise that follows.... transfer first to 4806 as DSD in multiple channels, resulting a decrease in sampling to 96 hz in 5.1; still better than redbook, and in multi-ch, and modulated in mode du jour.

So, only other transfer options are Toslink, IEEE1394 and DL3. I have no readings about Toslink, other than it is not subject to EMF interference in transport. Denon seems to rec either IEEE or DL, though.

DL3 allows highest digital transfer of DSD (1.2 gbps vs 400 mbps with IEEE1394) which then is AL24 processed and converted to analogue and moded into optional multi-channel modes per user's selection.

Am I even close? Do I need a PhD?

Norm, where did you get your transfer rates for Firewire vs. DL3? Does anyone know if the 5910 will (is capable) pump the digital data at those speeds?

I've had my 5910 hooked up to my 4806 via Firewire since I got it but have always wondered if I should use the DL3 hookup instead.

Kal mentioned in his piece that he could discern no aural difference between the two.

John

You should try it just so you can tell us......:D

Allright, I will...

Norm, where did you get your transfer rates for Firewire vs. DL3? Does anyone know if the 5910 will (is capable) pump the digital data at those speeds?

I've had my 5910 hooked up to my 4806 via Firewire since I got it but have always wondered if I should use the DL3 hookup instead.

Kal mentioned in his piece that he could discern no aural difference between the two.

JohnBoth i.Link and DL can handle bitrates necessary for all the supported formats of audio. The best you'll probably see the player transfer with Coax/Toslink is 96khz/24bit 2ch PCM. Not very many discs are encoded this way.

larry

I dont want to break any rules here so I will keep this brief, I'm regretfully selling my 5910CI 2 Months old if anyone is interested please my ad on audiogon or videogon or pm me for more details, my apologies to the mods if this is inappropriate.

funlvr1965, why are you selling the unit?

Im trying to facilitate another upgrade in the theater (audio processor upgrade), im sure I will regret this in the end. I have pictures posted in my ad

Norm, where did you get your transfer rates for Firewire vs. DL3? Does anyone know if the 5910 will (is capable) pump the digital data at those speeds?

I've had my 5910 hooked up to my 4806 via Firewire since I got it but have always wondered if I should use the DL3 hookup instead.

Kal mentioned in his piece that he could discern no aural difference between the two.

John


I found this in the back of my 4806 manual.

My 5910 manual is 1st edition (DL2), but after its refurbishment now uses DL3. The DL3 has higher specs, and is SACD capable, though I don't why.

Pooper is the expert.

I don't believe the speed of DL2 prevented SACD. It was Sony licensing and whatever was necessary to get proper encryption (to satisfy Sony). I think there were some good facts about all this in the 5900 thread.

larry

Has anyone tested the backwards compatability of the newer 5910ci with DL3 connected to an original 5803 that only supports DL2? I would be using the 5910ci primarily for DVDs; I don't own any DVD-A media (as I currently have no DVD-A player), though I might purchase a few if I get the 5910ci. I have a Sony SCD-C555ES to play the small collection of SACDs I have (the 555 is currently hooked up to the 5803 via the 5.1 channel ext.in analog inputs). My plan is to connect the 5910ci via Denon Link only.

I don't believe the speed of DL2 prevented SACD. It was Sony licensing and whatever was necessary to get proper encryption (to satisfy Sony). I think there were some good facts about all this in the 5900 thread.

larry
Correct, Denon needed approval from Sony.

Does the Ci version do anything else besides 1080p?


Thanks

Has anyone tested the backwards compatability of the newer 5910ci with DL3 connected to an original 5803 that only supports DL2? I would be using the 5910ci primarily for DVDs; I don't own any DVD-A media (as I currently have no DVD-A player), though I might purchase a few if I get the 5910ci. I have a Sony SCD-C555ES to play the small collection of SACDs I have (the 555 is currently hooked up to the 5803 via the 5.1 channel ext.in analog inputs). My plan is to connect the 5910ci via Denon Link only.
With a DL3 player and a DL2 receiver you will get everything except SACD over the connection. DL3 in the player and the receiver is required for SACD carriage. I believe Denon has/had an upgrade for those older receivers regarding DL3.

I'm putting in place a high end HTPC, and planning to rip most of my DVDs and store them on the HTPC's very large storage. Then play them through Microsoft Media Center Edition with MyMovies plug-in, and a yet to be selected DVD playing program and filters. This HTPC has Nvidia 7900GTX and other high end components.

But... I guess this has certain drawbacks, as the quality of picture coming through my DVD-5910 player has to be superior to anything my HTPC, however high end as it may be, could output. Am I right here, or are there a set of software players / scalers / image processors that one can run on a high end PC and reach the playing quality of the 5910?

Another question: can I rip my DVDs into the HTPC not using the HTPC DVD but reading the 5910 output? Thereby reading not the DVD content directly (with all its features / content), but rather reading the output signal of a playing movie after the 5910 has upscaled and did its other magic? Obviously not through the HDMI output because of the encryption, but is there another connection that can be made to read the signal in high quality? Maybe a digital input card in the HTPC that receives this signal and records it?

Has anyone experimented with this can of things or gave this some thought before and can guide me?

Thanks in advance,

Shahar

Good question. I have the same one. My intent is to: 1. Protect my original purchase's value from scratching; how many damaged cd's does one need to learn to do this??!!?? 2. Listen throughout the house and cars on different dvd and cd players.

But I doubt this can be done, as this is the essence of intended copyright protection encoded in HDCP to protect the media industry.

I believe if and when you copy/burn hirez material, you imprint low rez similar to redbook (older cd) standards.

The industry might please itself and its consumers if it allowed trade-ins, even at modest cost, to redeem those unplayably scratched older cd's.

I have an original 5803. It is not the 5803"A" model, which I believe denotes a model with the Denon Link 3/PLIIx/etc upgrade pre-installed. I have just purchased a brand new Denon 5910ci DVD player, and attempted to connect it to the 5803 via Denon Link. In the 5910ci's menus, I configured the Denon Link option for "2(Auto)" as my 5803 does not support DL3. However, when doing this, the Denon Link connection does not work. The 5803 sees the 5910 and reports the link is up. But when playing a disc, the audio drops out every other second and the "lock" light on the front of the 5803 goes out each time the audio drops out. Just as a sanity check, I tried with a couple different Ethernet cables besides the one Denon bundled with the 5910ci and the behavior is the same. Additionally, if I try playing a DVD-Audio disc, not only does the sync drop every other second occur, but when the audio is playing, it's not audio -- its digital noise. This leads me to believe that the original 5803 may not even be DL2, and that is why it loses sync every other second and why it doesn't understand a DVD-Audio disc. So, for now, I am using the analog 5.1 outputs into the 5803's ext.in2, but it would be nice to have the Denon Link part working.

Am I correct in this assumption that the original 5803 is pre-DL2, or should it work with DL2 from the 5910ci? Or do I have a defective unit (though whether it is the 5910ci or the 5803 that is defective I have no way of testing)? Unforunately, Denon was closed for the weekend by the time I got the 5910ci home, so I can't call them, hence I figured I would try asking here.

(I never sent the 5803 in for the upgrade to DL3 as I previously had no need for the upgrade and having no receiver for a month would completely cripple my home theatre.)

Does the 5803 have a small sticker on the back saying Denon Link S.E or is it just labelled as Denon Link? If it's the latter then it needs to be upgraded for it to work. Some original 5803's were only Denon Link and not Denon Link S.E. Unfortunately Denon Link 3 or 2 (S.E) won't work with the original Denon Link properly.

Given the choice I'd get it upgraded, not only for Denon Link 3 but PLIIx is well worth it I.M.O.

Does the 5803 have a small sticker on the back saying Denon Link S.E or is it just labelled as Denon Link? If it's the latter then it needs to be upgraded for it to work. Some original 5803's were only Denon Link and not Denon Link S.E. Unfortunately Denon Link 3 or 2 (S.E) won't work with the original Denon Link properly.

Given the choice I'd get it upgraded, not only for Denon Link 3 but PLIIx is well worth it I.M.O.
My 5803 does not have a sticker with S.E on it. :mad:

Was there a firmware-only upgrade that added S.E support to the 5803? Sending the unit in for upgrade really isn't an option for me. It would be for DL3 support only as none of the other features do anything for me. PLIIx might be nice, but I haven't got the surround back speakers it requires anyway, so it isn't something I can even use. I would be perfectly happy with DL2 support and using the 5.1 analog for SACD support (and I don't even really need SACD support from the 5910ci as I've had a Sony SCD-C555ES for years and prefer to use that for SACDs).

Unfortunately it's a hardware modification that's needed. I was in a similar position with my old KA1SE (upgraded 5800) as it only had Denon Link and not Denon Link S.E. At the time it didn't warrant going back to Denon UK again just for a Denon Link S.E update.

On the Denons, can you turn HDCD playback off on an HDCD? If it is an HDCD, then it has to play it back with HDCD decoding? Can it be disabled?

On the Denons, can you turn HDCD playback off on an HDCD? If it is an HDCD, then it has to play it back with HDCD decoding? Can it be disabled?
I do not believe you can defeat the HDCD decoding. There is no menu option or remote control option for this, at least.

Why would anyone want to defeat the HDCD encoding? It's definitely beneficial and was developed by supremely skilled recording engineers, IMO.

Has anyone done the 300 dollar 1080p upgrade. I currently use my 5910 (via HDMI connection) with a sony ruby projector and a 110 inch screen. Will I be able to see a notice difference with the 1080p upgrade?

Has anyone done the 300 dollar 1080p upgrade. I currently use my 5910 (via HDMI connection) with a sony ruby projector and a 110 inch screen. Will I be able to see a notice difference with the 1080p upgrade?

Have practically the same setup, 5910 HDMI out/Ruby/100"Stewart ST, and have also been wondering the same thing. Have also given some serious thought to the addition of Vantage HD or Lumagen scaler to do the job on the 5910 output as well as on the output of other sources. Viewing distance is 11' to front row and 16' to the back row.

Well guys as someone who owns the 5910 CI and a ruby also, I havent tried the 1080 output on the denon yet although I will when I get a chance, only had the ruby just over a week, watched king kong last night, with the ruby and denon combo its impressive, I know that because I also have a 720p projector mounted as well and doing A/B comparison clearly shows much more detail with the ruby. The point I wanted to bring up was about the video processor, think of the 5910 as a self contained unit, scaler and high end video processor wrapped into one, once you try to output to a video processor you may not get nearly the improvement you thought you might get and thats because the denon cannot output the native resolution of standard dvd which is 480i which is what is needed to truly take advantage of what an outboard scaler can accomplish, I image there will be an advantage but scalers really like interlaced signals as opposed to progressive signals, if you plan on using a scaler just get one of the inexpensive dvd players like the oppo that outputs 480i or a pioneer 79-avi and keep the denon because let me tell you I feel the 5910 is one great universal player, it will be some time before hi def players can accomplish what the denon has accomplished, thats me 2 cents.

Well guys as someone who owns the 5910 CI and a ruby also, I havent tried the 1080 output on the denon yet although I will when I get a chance, only had the ruby just over a week, watched king kong last night, with the ruby and denon combo its impressive, I know that because I also have a 720p projector mounted as well and doing A/B comparison clearly shows much more detail with the ruby. The point I wanted to bring up was about the video processor, think of the 5910 as a self contained unit, scaler and high end video processor wrapped into one, once you try to output to a video processor you may not get nearly the improvement you thought you might get and thats because the denon cannot output the native resolution of standard dvd which is 480i which is what is needed to truly take advantage of what an outboard scaler can accomplish, I image there will be an advantage but scalers really like interlaced signals as opposed to progressive signals, if you plan on using a scaler just get one of the inexpensive dvd players like the oppo that outputs 480i or a pioneer 79-avi and keep the denon because let me tell you I feel the 5910 is one great universal player, it will be some time before hi def players can accomplish what the denon has accomplished, thats me 2 cents.
Does the Oppo output 480i?

Yes you are right the 5910 is a crazy good DVD player :D

dc

In thinking back now, I believe the oppo 971 only outputs 480i through component output, if you want to take advantage of 480i through digital outputs thus using different colorspace then first choice that comes to my mind is the pioneer 59-avi or 79-avi, I beilieve there is a sony that also puts out 480i although im not sure using what output

I just picked up the DVD-AIXV[A] which is the Aussie version of the 5910CI.
Luckily i have it on loan for a couple of days to do a comparison to my existing DVD-AIXV [5910]. I have a SIM2 HT300E-Link PJ.
I have the Denon 5805 [AVC-AIXV] amp also but don't use the video switching choosing to go straight to the PJ.
Up until now i have been running the 5910 via HDMI with the output res set to 720P on the DVD player.
I can select 1080I but the PJ TO ME looks better IMHO at 720P.
So i get the new box home, swap them over set the menus and select 1080P and guess what NO SIGNAL!!
The 'out of range' box comes up on the screen and that's it!!
I try all other output resolutions including 1080I and they all output signal but no 1080P.
Now if the SIM2 wasn't going to accept 1080 resolution why would 1080I work and not 1080P???
Is this an issue of HDMI or is it an issue with PJ not being true 1080 compatible?
Can any resident expert shed some light on my problem.
Regards,
Flying Ed.

Flying Ed- I have the same problems to but only sometimes with my DVD-A1XV outputting 720P via HDMI into my Denon AVR-4806 then out via DVI to my Marantz S3 projector. Try turning off and on the DVD player a few times usually clears this up when it occurs. I am looking at upgrading to the DVD-A1XV(A) or get the 1080P upgrade for my DVD-A1XV when it is released here so I have it in time for when I get a 1080P projector (either a 1080P DLP or the Sony Ruby).

Thanks Spiro but i don't reckon this is the problem as i am not going thru the amp but straight into the PJ.
My guess is that it is the PJ not being TRU HD compatible.
It is weird tho, when i run the HDSTB into the PJ via DVI the info buton on the PJ says it is 1980 x 1080.It also says 1980 x 1080 when i select the DVD to be output at 1080I via HDMI into the PJ.
But soon as i want to choose 1080P it says out of range!! - What gives, i figured that 1080P and 1080I would be the same in as much that the PJ would sense that they are both 1080 signals but that is definetly not the case.
I did try switching the unit on and off as Spizz suggested but to no avail.
Looks like i will be staying with the 5910 at 720P!!
Any more help would be greatly appreciated especially anyone who owns the
SIM2 HT 300ELink.
Thanks again in frustration!!
F.E.
P.S. - I just did a quick check on the SIM2 website and they are saying that the PJ should accept 1080P signal so now i am more confused!! - HELP!!

the none of your equipment involved is faulty, its simply the fact that a display with a native rate of 720p will not see or resolve a 1080 progressive signal, when I first received my 5910CI I tried the same setup and got the same result "out of range" and no signal, I was down in the theater yesterday and intended on redoing this experiment except with my ruby this time, I was to do this after watching a show on a cable channel, which at the time I was watching on my digital projection 720p projector but during the viewing I heard a loud pop and immediately knew that the bulb in the digital projection pj had just exploded, I spent the rest of the evening vacuuming out the bulb fragments from the inside of the unit so I didnt get to send a 1080p signal to the ruby from the 5910CI, hopefully I will get a chance to do that today after work and report back, I will say that the my wife and I had company over the weekend and we watched king kong in the theater with the 5910CI and the ruby and I will tell you it looked fantastic if you have this combo its a definite winner.

Thanks funlvr1965.
I take on board what you say BUT why does the SIM2 manual and the website say that the HT300ELink does accept the 1080P input?
How it deals with it is another concern but should it accept it or is this a mistake??
Anyone?
F.E.

Ive also checked the sim website, this is clearly misleading, the native resolution of this pj is 1280x720 WXGA which is also stated in their specs

I want to do something I thought would be very simple. That is, at an expensive of thousands of dollars, replace my Cd player, DVD player, and 3805 with a Denon 5910 CD/DVD/SACD player and 5805 AVR. My intention was to simplify things and get better quality in many areas at the same time. My display unit is 6 year old Toshiba Theaterview with component inputs and the ability to display up to 1080i (which I do on one set of the component ins using a Voom box to display OTA HD signals). All I wanted to do was simply connect the 5910 to the 5805 and then to the TV. Hopefully using one set of components from the 5910 to the 5805 then to the TV for all my video. Then the denon link and/or 1394 for all wonderful high-end DTS 5.1 and SACD type audio (plus audio from my Squeezebox, Ipod, etc.).

This would seem like a simple thing to do, yet I cannot get virtually any of it to work. Mind you, I'm an engineern. Have worked as a network engineer on everything from ethernet to ATM and served as CTO of a publicly traded internet company -- just so you know I'm not a dolt -- I can even solder and repair broken pinball machines.

Though something of a separate issue, just for completeness' sake, my speakers are Paradigm 100's for the front's and center's, and di-pole Polks for the side surrounds and some old Advents for the rear surrounds. My intention was to bi-amp the three fronts then single amp the sides and backs. I originally set it up this way in the "advanced" config, then went back to "regular" and other configs just to see if that might be part of the issue. I don't think it is as I've tried just about every possible speaker config you can think of, even putting a voltmeter on the speaker and pre-out jacks to see what was happening when I had an FM station (displaying RDS data, so I know it was tuned in) playing -- nada, nothing.

I've got to believe there's some weird config thing going on here, but I'll be darned if I can figure it out. Here's my predicament:

1: I cannot seem to even get the monitor out (RCA, not F connected, though using a true component cable that's worked fine in many other configurations) to the TV. I've tried all of the different scaling options, etc. What I find interesting is that when you press the "monitor select" button on the front of the 5805 it only switches between HDMI and DVI, never component, though I would've thought all the monitor outs would be active at the same time, but possibly not hdmi and dvi at the same time -- at least the component, the one I NEED, should always be active. So I am forced to use the front panel or remote to go through config's while I stand in front of the display.

2: When I connect the 5910 to the 5805 I cannot get any audio (video I'm assuming is related to problem one) to come through.
2a: I've tried using Denon Link.
2b: I've tried using ieee1394
2c: I've tried using optical audio

3: In fact, I have a Squeezebox (from Slim Devices, check this out if you haven't seen one, they're awesome) just as the "simplest possible" audio test. When I take the optical out cable from my Squeezebox and connect it to the front Opt 6 connector and then assign via config the Opt 6 connector to Aux and switch to Aux, I get no sound. No matter how many modes I try, directly, dolby, etc. I can take this cable and move it over to my "old" 3803" and set it up the same way and it works just fine.

4: If I connect the 5910 directly to my TV via a component cable and go through the 3803 for audio, it works just fine for DVD, CD, SACD (though I had to figure out the try of switching the SACD mode to CD BEFORE you insert the regular CD).

5: AT ONE POINT I actually had sound coming out, but then later one while trying to get other stuff working, I LOST IT and haven't even been able to get that back. I was pressing a lot of buttons on/off though, and I've found that there are certain things you can change in this thing that don't "take" unless you power cycle it on/off -- VERY FRUSTRATING when you're trying to get things to work.

I'm suspecting some kinds of config conflicts, but I'll be buggered if I can figure out what they are. I've noticed some odd thing that sometimes when you change config info (especially when message with 1394 or denon link), you have to turn the device(s) off and on to get it to "take".

Basically, if someone could tell me the best/easiest way to connect the 5910 to the 5805 and then to my component ins on the Toshiba TV, that would be great. I'd thought all I would need to do was connect the Denon Link, and the components between the 5910 and 5805, then the component monitor out to my TV and I'd be all set! But no such luck.

Going insane over the holidays...

BTW, if someone wants a consulting fee, I'll pay $50 an hour (or you name a rate if you are an expert/genius at this and can make it work in a heartbeat) to talk to someone on the phone and if they get it to work, I'll paypal them the consulting fee (if we take a long time and still can't get it to work and it just seems to be an equipment problem, I'll still paypal over a "thanks" fee of some type). Just e-mail me direct and I'll send back my phone number. HELP!

Or, if someone knows of a Denon consulting service (even pay-per-call/event), I'd be willing to go that route. Anything to make it work, right now I just have a big mess sitting in my family room.

Thanks in advance,
Terry Parker
terryparker@myself.com

I want to do something I thought would be very simple. That is, at an expensive of thousands of dollars, replace my Cd player, DVD player, and 3805 with a Denon 5910 CD/DVD/SACD player and 5805 AVR.
terryparker@myself.com
I hope I can help you save the $50 :)
I do not have the 5805 but have the 4806. Assuming the menus are similar, you have to do the following:

Audio

1 - first, select Denon-Link as the output on the 5910 (which I do have btw)
2 - second, select Denon-link as the connection for the 5910 (assuming you want DVD as the name for the 5910 in the 5805, you need to in the 5805 setup menu select "DLink" in the Digital In Assignment (page 18 of the US version of the manual). Both the DVD and the AVR support Denon Link III, assuming your 5910 is a newer batch and already provides that support that is all you need.

At this point you should be able to hit play on the DVD and listen to audio. If you do not, let me know.

Video

1-Connect the Video component out from the 5910 to the 5805 input. Make sure you know which input on the 5805 you connected to (the 5805 has 6 inputs!!! so you must know which number from 1 to 6).
2-Then on the 5805 Video Setup menu (page 71 of the manual), select the input you connected the 5910 to.

That is it. You should be able to see the image. If you do not, connect the 5910 component out directly to the TV and check whether you get image. If you do not, then the cable is faulty. If you do get the image.
If you do not get the image, let us know.

I know these instructions are pretty basic but I have to understand if you covered the basics correctly so we can get a better diagnosis.

Good luck :)

New 5910 owner built june 05


ok so whats the hot set up to get the best sound out of the dvd-5910

For home theater? 5.1 analog or digital d3-link otp, coax...ext

2 channel stereo hot set ups (inc cable seletions if improvment made)

i went with kris set up on contrast -2 w/hdmi ext.... on an earlyer post for best picture quality............but any other tips for pic quality whould be helpful.

my setup is a hitachi plasma 55" directors series, denon 3806 , klipsch Ref 7's 5.1
panamax power cond..... new denon 5910-dvd! & Toshiba hd-dvd to play with.

more excited about the 5910 a true audiophile set. The build and performance are unbelivable!!! sound and video!

any 3806 users out there? whats your audio setup home theater and audio playback?



best of the best info is allways here!

I hope I can help you save the $50 :)
I do not have the 5805 but have the 4806. Assuming the menus are similar, you have to do the following:

Audio

1 - first, select Denon-Link as the output on the 5910 (which I do have btw)
2 - second, select Denon-link as the connection for the 5910 (assuming you want DVD as the name for the 5910 in the 5805, you need to in the 5805 setup menu select "DLink" in the Digital In Assignment (page 18 of the US version of the manual). Both the DVD and the AVR support Denon Link III, assuming your 5910 is a newer batch and already provides that support that is all you need.

At this point you should be able to hit play on the DVD and listen to audio. If you do not, let me know.

Video

1-Connect the Video component out from the 5910 to the 5805 input. Make sure you know which input on the 5805 you connected to (the 5805 has 6 inputs!!! so you must know which number from 1 to 6).
2-Then on the 5805 Video Setup menu (page 71 of the manual), select the input you connected the 5910 to.

That is it. You should be able to see the image. If you do not, connect the 5910 component out directly to the TV and check whether you get image. If you do not, then the cable is faulty. If you do get the image.
If you do not get the image, let us know.

I know these instructions are pretty basic but I have to understand if you covered the basics correctly so we can get a better diagnosis.

Good luck :)

I couldn't even get the 5805 OSD display to display directly via the S-Vid monitor out to my TV,when taking the same exact cable off and putting it on S-vid out on 5910 worked just fine. Obviously some issues. I have, BTW, already done everything you suggested above, plus trying the 1394 route, which didn't work either. Just getting component OSD or ANY OSD to display wouldn't work. So, didn't seem much point in trying to get other stuff working at that point and Denon Tech agreed.

I hope I can help you save the $50 :)
I do not have the 5805 but have the 4806. Assuming the menus are similar, you have to do the following:

Audio

1 - first, select Denon-Link as the output on the 5910 (which I do have btw)
2 - second, select Denon-link as the connection for the 5910 (assuming you want DVD as the name for the 5910 in the 5805, you need to in the 5805 setup menu select "DLink" in the Digital In Assignment (page 18 of the US version of the manual). Both the DVD and the AVR support Denon Link III, assuming your 5910 is a newer batch and already provides that support that is all you need.

At this point you should be able to hit play on the DVD and listen to audio. If you do not, let me know.

Video

1-Connect the Video component out from the 5910 to the 5805 input. Make sure you know which input on the 5805 you connected to (the 5805 has 6 inputs!!! so you must know which number from 1 to 6).
2-Then on the 5805 Video Setup menu (page 71 of the manual), select the input you connected the 5910 to.

That is it. You should be able to see the image. If you do not, connect the 5910 component out directly to the TV and check whether you get image. If you do not, then the cable is faulty. If you do get the image.
If you do not get the image, let us know.

I know these instructions are pretty basic but I have to understand if you covered the basics correctly so we can get a better diagnosis.

Good luck :)

Oh, and if you can get me upgraded to a better picture than my Toshiba theaterview 1080i rear projection screen for only 50 clams, BRING IT ON! I'lll upgrade when the technology and price makes sense, not just to have the LATEST AND GREATEST and coolest stuff, most of which they can't even take advantage of. It's silly and a waste of money. I'd rather spend it buying $250 Carver 750 watt amps off e-bay and hanging them off my 3805 to get UNBELIEVEABLE sound out of my Paradigm 100's for less than 1/3 of the bucks these guys are paying up upgrade to the latest Denon amp that you can fry a frigging egg on.

i need to reset defaults in my 5910 denon any one know how? :o

I watched Munich the other day and the picture was excellent as always. However, there is an initial documentary (shot in video probably) by Spielberg which was combing so much I could not watch it :mad:

What gives ???

Should I change the 5910 to video just to watch the documentary ? (I think it is set to Auto - I'm traveling so can't tell for sure).

Hi

Let me tell you first how newbie I am( and french to, it's worst). My current TV is a 1991 JVC AV-2749A. So My first purchase is going to be a KDS-50A2000. Then I want to change my current DVD player (Panasonic DVD-S35) and thinking of buying this baby: Denon DVD-5910CI. But, before I withdraw all my saving of my pension plan for it, I would appreciate any advise or info for theses questions:

Beside the sound quality of this DVD player

1- How or is the Output 1080p on the Denon DVD player going to affect the quality of the PQ on the Sony A2000 series( compare to my old panasonic DVD player) for a regular DVD movie ? (on a scale 1 to 5)
2- Is the HQV chip on this machine when playing a regular DVD movie, will improve the PQ quality on the A2000 ? (Same scale)

Thank's

Philippe

p.s About me: I work @ the plant were they made the chips that the Land Rover use to take pictures on Mars. So I work in imaging, but not in TV imaging

I inquired about the 1080p upgrade at the Tweeter where I bought the 5910 and they gave me the impression that Denon is not charging for this mod.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Also, he mentioned that Denon's turnaround on servicing is approximately 10 weeks!!

Has anyone done this upgrade aftermarket?

Denon IS charging for this mod thats why I decided to get the 5910CI although ive since sold it

Do you expect the Denon DVD-3930 to be on par or surpass the 5910?

Boy, this thread has sure gone dead quiet.....

Has everybody unloaded their 5910 or something?

Anyway, I want to know from anyone who has gotten the 1080p upgrade on this unit. Did you notice a significant improvement in PQ on your native 1080p display?

I just returned to NV from a drive east that included stopping in at the Denon upgrade site in NJ, with other family business. Couldn't stand the thought of shipping the great 5910 back and forth. Got the upgrade. However, back home, I have not seen an improvement. My HDTV is the Brillian 6580iFB, capable of receiving 1080p input, but with pretty good internal upgrade processing in and of itself. At the present, I'm relying on the Brillian rather than the 5910. Don't mistake my comments, however, as I'm delighted with the other format outputs of the 5910, just didn't see an improvement over that 1080p processing within the Brillian set.

carmarv,
What did they charge for the upgrade please.

Thanks very much, carmarv, for the valuable information. You did well by not shipping it. I just had a 2910 serviced and it took two months turnaround time. I think I will forgo the upgrade on the 5910, as I am sure the Sony SXRD XBR2 will do admirably on the conversion.

kenabb - I believe it is $300 for the upgrade.

Yes, $299 plus NJ tax as I was in that state.

I have just taken delivery of the new 5910ci, and found that my projector, Sony Ruby, needed to be re-calibrated. It was fine out of the box with 2 other dvd players, but with the Denon, the brightness was high. Has anyone else found this? Is this a faulty unit?

I doubt you have a bad unit, ive had the regular 5910 and also the 5910ci, both performed great, all dvd players do not output video settings the same you need to recalibrate for that player its not uncommon at all, also make sure you check youre IRE settings on the player since that will go a long way in determining your picture contrast,choose the wrong ire and your picture will have that washed out look, go back through this thread towards the begining you will find Kris Deerings recommendations as far as settings for this player, congratulations you have one of the best sd players around, the only reason I sold mine was to upgrade to a hd player to go with my ruby

I have just taken delivery of the new 5910ci, and found that my projector, Sony Ruby, needed to be re-calibrated. Every different device connected to an input on a display will potentially require (re)calibration, especially analog input. However, with a digital output DVD player, there is only 1 video stream that is correct and that is what is on the disc. So if black (16) is encoded on the disc it should show up at your PJ as 16. Same with all the other pixel values. Unfortunately, some players at default settings have to muck with the video somewhat in addition to deinterlacing and/or scaling.

larry

In case you haven't seen the thread, can any of the owners here shed any light on my unfortunate 5910 experience (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8358265) ?

This was a brand new sealed unit, build date July 2005. Not a CI, but the DL jack read "3rd."

In case you haven't seen the thread, can any of the owners here shed any light on my unfortunate 5910 experience (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8358265) ?

This was a brand new sealed unit, build date July 2005. Not a CI, but the DL jack read "3rd."

I purchased two Denon 5910s back in June 2005. On commercial disks the picture quality is outstanding. I am outputing 1080i into a JVC LT-40FH96 in both my bedroom and living room. You would swear that you are looking at a 35mm flim projection. I have also never had any problems playing a store bought disc. HOWEVER yes on some homemade DVDs it is very particular on what it will play. I only use very high quality blank media and I have had no problem playing DVD-R or DVD+R discs that I have made myself. But on some of my friends discs yes it will freeze up or just refuse to play them at all. Some discs I bought off ebay would just not play at all. I have found the best machine that will play anything is my Pioneer Combi Laserdisc player. Discs that the Denon refuses to acknowledge will play perfectly.

I have never considered this a problem and I am still very happy with the Denon because 99% of what I play are store bought disc or ones I made myself. The cheap ones I got off ebay play fine in my Laserdisc Combi player.

:) Also all of my older homemade VCDs play perfectly on the Denon. Again I used very high quality media.

OK, so my Denon 5910ci has suddenly STOPPED playing cd's - i.e. pre-recorded, store purchased first run cd's. It will play DVD's, SACD's, DVD-Audio discs, but for some reason, every cd I put in the tray spins for a while, then simply displays all zeros on the panel, and hitting "play" won't start the disc.

What the heck is going on here? It seemed to be doing this intermittingly a while back, but I thought it was just a "bad" cd here or there. Well, now it's all of them.

HELP! What do you think it is?

OK, so my Denon 5910ci has suddenly STOPPED playing cd's - i.e. pre-recorded, store purchased first run cd's. It will play DVD's, SACD's, DVD-Audio discs, but for some reason, every cd I put in the tray spins for a while, then simply displays all zeros on the panel, and hitting "play" won't start the disc.

What the heck is going on here? It seemed to be doing this intermittingly a while back, but I thought it was just a "bad" cd here or there. Well, now it's all of them.

HELP! What do you think it is?
I can't find my receipt, so I can't remember the exact component, but it sounds like the laser tracking assembly has gone bad. I observed the exact same behavior over a period of months with my 5900 and finally sent it in to be fixed. I've read about others here having the same problem, and when I first talked to Denon NJ they seemed to be aware of the problem.

Can someone tell me if they notice a difference in using component output from the 5910 compared to the DVI or HDMI output? I am using the HDMI output and it seems the color saturation is not as stark as with a component output? Has anyone else noticed this? Or is it just me HDMI cables that sucks? I have used 2 different kinds and both seem to put out less color satuation. If someone else has noticed this and give me some advice for which component and/or HDMI cables work well with this player I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Greg

Anybody else had a chance to play with the noise reduction--i have been watching a lot of commercial dvd rentals lately and have been amazed at what the noise reduction can do with the graininess of some dvd's--it is neat to be able to actually adjust it to the actual level of noise that is in the picture with an individual dvd. Maybe there is a tiny bit of picture softening at 3 but imho, that's better than watching picture granularity!

To me, this particular feature of the unit's processing has really made watching suboptimally made dvd's tolerable, even enjoyable and is at least a partial justification for the price differential between it and less expensive competitors...

anyone else have experience playing with this feature?

I have to admit. I can't get on with the Noise Reduction at all. Into my Sim 2 RTX via HDMI at it's native 720p I find that even on 1 the DNR introduces a noticeable "smearing effect" in the motion. Some subtle and other times unbearable. Going up to +2 and +3 is awful in my opinion. I love the picture quality of the A1XV (5910) on good DVD's, but with poor DVD's the picture is quite grainy. Sadly, for me the DNR reduces the grain but causes even more problems.

Anyone else find this with the DNR settings?

What do you guys use for the Enhancement settings? I go to +2 max, but most viewing is done in the STD picture setting.

Anyone?

I'm using settings someone posted here a long time ago. Contrast -2, Enhancer +1 and DNR +1. I have a 5910ci, a 4806 and a Samsung 6187 1080p. I've connected with HDMI from the 5910ci direct to the Samsung, I've also tried the component. I use the Denon Link to the 4806 for audio.

I've been disappointed with the picture quality of the 5910ci. I'm finding that the settings I've make the picture watchable for most DVD's, some are great and some are poor. I'm also finding that there can be a big difference between DVD quality.

I can get someone to come and calabrate the TV and DVD I guess but I like to learn as much about my toys as I can, especially when I pay so much for the top of the line.
Does anyone know if there is anything in this forum or on the internet to help with tunning the 5910ci? Maybe the best quality picture can only be had by paying for calabration but I'd like to try it on my own without having to guess at all the possible combinations.

You need to get a calibration DVD like Avia or Digtial Video Essentials an calibrate the display to match the DVD player output. Also, the settings on the DVD player may not be "correct" with the newer units/firmware. Except for DNR for "noisy" sub-par DVD transfers, you shouldn't have to change players settings from neutral.

larry

Thanks, I've got the Digital Video Essentials DVD and will go through the calibration. I'll let you know how it goes.

I purchased two Denon 5910s back in June 2005. On commercial disks the picture quality is outstanding. I am outputing 1080i into a JVC LT-40FH96 in both my bedroom and living room. You would swear that you are looking at a 35mm flim projection. I have also never had any problems playing a store bought disc. HOWEVER yes on some homemade DVDs it is very particular on what it will play. I only use very high quality blank media and I have had no problem playing DVD-R or DVD+R discs that I have made myself. But on some of my friends discs yes it will freeze up or just refuse to play them at all. Some discs I bought off ebay would just not play at all. I have found the best machine that will play anything is my Pioneer Combi Laserdisc player. Discs that the Denon refuses to acknowledge will play perfectly.

I have never considered this a problem and I am still very happy with the Denon because 99% of what I play are store bought disc or ones I made myself. The cheap ones I got off ebay play fine in my Laserdisc Combi player.

:) Also all of my older homemade VCDs play perfectly on the Denon. Again I used very high quality media.
Hi dhardling,

Noticed that your running the 5910 on LCD. I just auditioned a 5910 on both the Sony and Samsung LCDs and they looked terrible from the HDMI but, great from the component output. Is that normal or just a poor setup at Tweeter?

All other players that we tested failed using my test disk.

I really need to replace my Sony DVP S9000ES as I am getting microblocking and mpeg artifacts on my Samsung LN 4051 especially on dark scenes.

Any advice would be appreicated.
Thanks, Vic

Does anyone know if an upgrade for the 5910 will be offered to add the extra PC resolutions and keystone functionality of the 3930, or is a successor to the 5910 planned that provides these?

Has anyone who owns a later 5910 (not CI) that has the hardware for 1080P upgraded their DVD player to 1080P? Since these machines don't need hardware, did Denon send firmware for you to update yourself, or did you have to send it in to a repair center.

I have one of these, and on the Denon website, they tell you to call them to for more information. Unfortunately, they aren't open on weekends. During the week, I called them several times last week. I was on hold for 3 hours one time and 4 hours a second time--and they never answered the phone. So I can't figure out how to proceed with the upgrade. Also, do they charge for this upgrade if they don't have to upgrade the hardware?

Mike

From the website: "Serial numbers with 1 as the 6th digit xxxxx1xxxx or last five digits of 00300~00499, call 201-762-6616. All others use the "learn More" icon below to check for the update."

I bought a 5910 in Feb or March of this year. Had the upgrade to CI done, but didn't want to ship it from NV to the east and back again. So personally transported it physically, on a trip with other family business, to the site in NJ, where they upgraded it in the space of a couple of hours. Had to be a service center upgrade.

I bought a 5910 in Feb or March of this year. Had the upgrade to CI done, but didn't want to ship it from NV to the east and back again. So personally transported it physically, on a trip with other family business, to the site in NJ, where they upgraded it in the space of a couple of hours. Had to be a service center upgrade.

Did your 5910 have 1 as the 6th digit xxxxx1xxxx or last five digits of 00300~00499?

Yes, the 6th digit was a "1".

carmarv
Have you noticed any difference between the 1080i output and 1080p. I have a 5910 hooked up to a sony ruby projector via a denon 4806. I am considering the 1080p upgrade for both the 5910 and 4806, I am not sure it is worth 800 dollars.

Sorry for getting back late. As I stated on another link, my HDTV is the Brillian 6580iFB, with very good performance. So, not really any difference yet. But I will upgrade the 4806 as I want it to be my central switcher/node of my system. Hope this helps. Charlie

When watching 4:3 videos, such as the Poirot mystery series, when I try to use the 720p mode, the picture is stretched horizontally to fill the screen on a Sony Grand Wega KDF E50A10 LCD RP, which is a native 720p device.

When I switch the 5910 to 480p, I get the proper aspect ratio back, but there seem to be some odd artifacts in the image: sometimes it seems like lines are being doubled in parts of the picture where there is motion.

Any ideas on what to do? I'm using the HDMI component connection between the 5910 and the A10.

What mode do you have the stretch mode in? If it is on Auto this should make the aspect ratio correct as long as the flag is correct on the DVD. Try manually changing the stretch mode to 4:3 and see if that makes it correct. If not you may have your TV set up incorrectly. Make sure your Sony is set display native input with no aspect ratio adjustment. Hope this helps.

Let me check the stretch mode... I'm beginning to suspect that the flags aren't set properly on the DVDs, as the transfers seem to be low-budget efforts with lots of artifacts.

AVS members,

Last year you guys helped me spend $$$ (wisely): Sony 34xbr910N crt, denon 5910 dvd, denon 4806 avr and B&W 706 7.1 spkrs (in a 16X22' family room). This TV was a compromise in time and $. I have enjoyed HT, redbook cd's and SACD/DVD-A for a mere $12k. Luckily, I am still married! The only WAF is contingent on not getting into a more expensive hobby like, say boating, or gasp, girlfriends....

Our Denon products were refurbished, and the 5910 (built dec 2004) probably is not up-gradable to 1080p o/p w/ "ci", although they did repair a problem in Feb 2006 for poor video processing -- and they did a DL-3 upgrade. The whole "board" was replaced so it might be a newish 5910 - I dunno.

Time for a real HD plasma!

This 200 lb TV set now goes in basement HT where Bose Acoustimass 500 series 5.1 spkr was set-up 14 yrs ago in 10X10 area. Probably 30-40 watt spkrs - max.

Santa might bring Pioneer 5070, 6070, or Pany 50, 58, ?65." We can't decide. We sit 8 - 12' away. That is, one lucky person sits at 8' in a recliner, the rest of us sit 12' away on sofa. I read that even at this distance, 65" 1080p is wasted.... but, that's my conundrum with plasmas. And, then A/V equipment....

Which AVR, DVD player should I use where? What new gear makes sense? I can afford quality, but do not want to mis-match equipment, nor mis-apply equip with space constraints. I have enjoyed Denon Audyssey EQ & DL3 interconnectivity. PQ is excellent.

Basement: I am not certain I need the volume in the smaller basement space, nor 7.1 .... The PQ on my 1080i Sony crt will be seen from 8 - 9.5' seating area. So, 1080p will not be appreciated here, unless 65", space-wise this is out. One day a 50" plasma may go there.... Spker upgrades, too. No time soon, however. Which AVR and DVD? Goal is to have fine HT and music (while playing billiards). Teens hang out down there.

Family Room: The family room is capable of great HT potential. Goal is excellent HT and music set-up. I am leaning toward Pio 6070 or panny 58, both 1080i. If I bypass a 1080p display given the seating distances, why get BR, right? Or is this still the Holy Grail? Would 1080p output on newer 5910ci show SD dvd's better on 1080i? What Denon AVR & DVD? Would a BlueRay or HD-DVD ever be appreciated in this space, in which case I should plan one day for a 1080p display? and of course the appropriate A/V stuff?

Would you ever consider the arduous task of cabling from the FR to the basement in an existing home, and going with the 5805? Seems too hard.

Thanks for any ideas.
Norman

Would it be practical to use a US Denon 5910 on 240v/50hz in Australia using a stepdown transformer?

Has anyone done it?

Thanks!

I bought a used Denon DVD 5910ci. FedEx will ship it tomorrow afternoon. I downloaded the USA Denon firmware update and instructions. I will follow them very carefully. Definitely looking forward to this universal player. I will be using it primarily in my headphone system. I also bought a Samsung LN-S2338W 23" LCD HDTV for my bedroom. I hope I like it. I should get it shipped next Monday.

I got it a few minutes ago. I am testing all of the features right now. Later on, I will do a firmware update. This is one of the biggest and heaviest components that I have ever bought into my home.

Welly Wu,

I'm curious what you paid for this player. Maybe you could PM me. I've been looking at a similar model in the Videogon Classifieds, but I'm not sure what the fair market value is.

Welly, you bought a 5910 for headphone use?
Hmmm.

OK, so my Denon 5910ci has suddenly STOPPED playing cd's - i.e. pre-recorded, store purchased first run cd's. It will play DVD's, SACD's, DVD-Audio discs, but for some reason, every cd I put in the tray spins for a while, then simply displays all zeros on the panel, and hitting "play" won't start the disc.

What the heck is going on here? It seemed to be doing this intermittingly a while back, but I thought it was just a "bad" cd here or there. Well, now it's all of them.

HELP! What do you think it is?

I have the exact same problem! First I thought it was bad media or burns, but it is getting worse. Now I can get this with original cds too. I can get the cd to play but usually I have to eject and insert the cd about 20-25 times before it plays. DVDs play fine, I only get this problem with CDs. WTF is this?? I have an old firmware on the player and I have the european A1XV model (without 1080p). I am thinking of sending the player to the Denon Denmark service center :(

I doubt you have a bad unit, ive had the regular 5910 and also the 5910ci, both performed great, all dvd players do not output video settings the same you need to recalibrate for that player its not uncommon at all, also make sure you check youre IRE settings on the player since that will go a long way in determining your picture contrast,choose the wrong ire and your picture will have that washed out look, go back through this thread towards the begining you will find Kris Deerings recommendations as far as settings for this player, congratulations you have one of the best sd players around, the only reason I sold mine was to upgrade to a hd player to go with my ruby
Thanks, you are exactly right. I changed the ire setting - Bingo! Thanks for your help.
Norm

Has anyone who owns a later 5910 (not CI) that has the hardware for 1080P upgraded their DVD player to 1080P? Since these machines don't need hardware, did Denon send firmware for you to update yourself, or did you have to send it in to a repair center.

I have one of these, and on the Denon website, they tell you to call them to for more information. Unfortunately, they aren't open on weekends. During the week, I called them several times last week. I was on hold for 3 hours one time and 4 hours a second time--and they never answered the phone. So I can't figure out how to proceed with the upgrade. Also, do they charge for this upgrade if they don't have to upgrade the hardware?

Mike

From the website: "Serial numbers with 1 as the 6th digit xxxxx1xxxx or last five digits of 00300~00499, call 201-762-6616. All others use the "learn More" icon below to check for the update."

it is not clear to me what this means from the website--I have a '1' for the 6th digit--what exactly does that mean? Does it just need firmware for the CI update? I find myself in a similar situation to mike here--would appreciate if someone could explain all of this...
thanks!

I'm going to return my player to the dealer today. Unfortunately it must be sent to the Denon Service Center in Denmark so I will have to wait for about a month before I get it back. I'll let you know what they say about the above mentioned problem with audio-cds.

it is not clear to me what this means from the website--I have a '1' for the 6th digit--what exactly does that mean? Does it just need firmware for the CI update? I find myself in a similar situation to mike here--would appreciate if someone could explain all of this...
thanks!

Sorry it took so long to reply. It is hard to get through to Denon. I did finally do so, and tried to convince them to send me a disk to update, but they insisted that the player had to be returned to them for service. Cost is the same, even though there may not be any hardware upgrades.

Sorry it took so long to reply. It is hard to get through to Denon. I did finally do so, and tried to convince them to send me a disk to update, but they insisted that the player had to be returned to them for service. Cost is the same, even though there may not be any hardware upgrades.


that seems awfully steep for a firmware update--I could see if they were adding something like a board to the pre 6/05 units but 300 for shoving a cd in the piehole not including shipping seems a bit moronic...I hate to mention it in this forum with those of us who love our 5910's but that 300 could go toward a hd player...where the resolution difference might be more useful

I do, however, really appreciate the reply and info!

Sorry for bumping this thread guys, but I have to get this off my chest: the Denon DVD 5910ci is a stunning audio source component! Previously, I had a number of different source components including the NAD C 541i, Denon DVD 2900, Pioneer Elite DV-59AVi, and an Ayre Acoustics CX-7 Evolution. The 5910ci is easily the best sounding component so far. On CDs, it is as good as the Ayre CX-7E. With SA-CD and DVD-Audio, it is in a new tier. Heck, even JVC XRCDs and HDCDs sound better. I am really impressed. The 5910ci has such transparency, detail retrieval, high resolution, balance, and smoothness that I now concur with Stereophile and The Absolute Sound's decisions to put it into their recommended digital source components categories last year. Why they have not decided to write a complete review of it as an audio source component is beyond me because this is truly a high end audio component sans the boutique audiophile cachet.

On the video side, it is even more stunning were that possible. I knew that this was really a videophile machine, but I was not prepared to witness myself the sheer beauty of even a meager 720p DVD-Video on my modest Samsung LN-S2338W which I use as a SD NTSC TV and computer monitor. I can not even imagine what a 1080p film will look like.

Lastly, I know that Denon is working on a Blu-Ray and HD-DVD universal player. They have to be. My hope is that they take the existing Denon DVD 5910ci and combine it with the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD knowing full well their hard earned reputation is going to bear its name on such a future "hyper universal" player.

I am already working and saving up my pennies for that.

Thank you for taking the time to read. I have learned a lot of useful information from this thread alone.

Sorry for bumping this thread guys, but I have to get this off my chest: the Denon DVD 5910ci is a stunning audio source component! Previously, I had a number of different source components including the NAD C 541i, Denon DVD 2900, Pioneer Elite DV-59AVi, and an Ayre Acoustics CX-7 Evolution. The 5910ci is easily the best sounding component so far. On CDs, it is as good as the Ayre CX-7E. With SA-CD and DVD-Audio, it is in a new tier. Heck, even JVC XRCDs and HDCDs sound better. I am really impressed. The 5910ci has such transparency, detail retrieval, high resolution, balance, and smoothness that I now concur with Stereophile and The Absolute Sound's decisions to put it into their recommended digital source components categories last year. Why they have not decided to write a complete review of it as an audio source component is beyond me because this is truly a high end audio component sans the boutique audiophile cachet.

On the video side, it is even more stunning were that possible. I knew that this was really a videophile machine, but I was not prepared to witness myself the sheer beauty of even a meager 720p DVD-Video on my modest Samsung LN-S2338W which I use as a SD NTSC TV and computer monitor. I can not even imagine what a 1080p film will look like.

Lastly, I know that Denon is working on a Blu-Ray and HD-DVD universal player. They have to be. My hope is that they take the existing Denon DVD 5910ci and combine it with the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD knowing full well their hard earned reputation is going to bear its name on such a future "hyper universal" player.

I am already working and saving up my pennies for that.

Thank you for taking the time to read. I have learned a lot of useful information from this thread alone.

I enjoyed this "review", but would like something a bit more concrete and definitive, particularly in reviewing all the new CI versions that have come out. My 5805CI, for instance. I can't even USE Audyssey Pro without going through either Denon or Audyssey training AND paying another $375 bones for THEIR calibrated mic and software. So what the heck was a paying for when I bought the CI version? Xm radio? Blech. Quite annoying.

Back to the 5910, what are the "CI" differences? And, is it any better or worse (and WHY please) than say the 2930CI which I've been using for two weeks on my 1080p samsung dlp screen and am liking very much. I have a "regular" 3910 sitting on the sides, but I'm trying to figure out why to go back to this bigger box that seemed to have more issues with dark color leveling and some macro-blocking issues. I'd like to hear something REAL about why the 3910(CI or not CI) is better/worse than 2930(CI or not CI). Oh, BTW, the 3910 is no longer a "current product", it has been supplanted by the 3920 and 3930, so you can't use the side-by-side feature comparison from the Denon web site.

Getting tired of being over-product-managed-to-death by a company who used to stand for quality first, then hype. I think the pendulum has finally swumg more towards form than function, which is a darn shame.

Search this thread about the 5910 -> 5910ci upgrades. Key features include Denon Link III and 1080p output via HDMI 1.1 and DVI. CI updates do not touch the audio portion of the 5910.

If it looks and sounds good to you, then it is good. I'm trying to say that maybe you should stick with the Denon DVD 2930ci.

Denon does make quality products, but I keep reading that they are prone to iffy technical support and damage or malfunctions. C'est la vie mes amis!

Is there a change log or something regarding the different 5910 firmwares?

Sorry for bumping this thread guys, but I have to get this off my chest: the Denon DVD 5910ci is a stunning audio source component! Previously, I had a number of different source components including the NAD C 541i, Denon DVD 2900, Pioneer Elite DV-59AVi, and an Ayre Acoustics CX-7 Evolution. The 5910ci is easily the best sounding component so far. On CDs, it is as good as the Ayre CX-7E. With SA-CD and DVD-Audio, it is in a new tier. Heck, even JVC XRCDs and HDCDs sound better. I am really impressed. The 5910ci has such transparency, detail retrieval, high resolution, balance, and smoothness that I now concur with Stereophile and The Absolute Sound's decisions to put it into their recommended digital source components categories last year. Why they have not decided to write a complete review of it as an audio source component is beyond me because this is truly a high end audio component sans the boutique audiophile cachet.

On the video side, it is even more stunning were that possible. I knew that this was really a videophile machine, but I was not prepared to witness myself the sheer beauty of even a meager 720p DVD-Video on my modest Samsung LN-S2338W which I use as a SD NTSC TV and computer monitor. I can not even imagine what a 1080p film will look like.

Lastly, I know that Denon is working on a Blu-Ray and HD-DVD universal player. They have to be. My hope is that they take the existing Denon DVD 5910ci and combine it with the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD knowing full well their hard earned reputation is going to bear its name on such a future "hyper universal" player.

I am already working and saving up my pennies for that.

Thank you for taking the time to read. I have learned a lot of useful information from this thread alone.

agreed--my primary reason for going with the 5910 was the audio virtues. these days this is even more true with hd video and the 3930 having almost the same video processing!

I enjoyed this "review", but would like something a bit more concrete and definitive, particularly in reviewing all the new CI versions that have come out. My 5805CI, for instance. I can't even USE Audyssey Pro without going through either Denon or Audyssey training AND paying another $375 bones for THEIR calibrated mic and software. So what the heck was a paying for when I bought the CI version? Xm radio? Blech. Quite annoying.

Back to the 5910, what are the "CI" differences? And, is it any better or worse (and WHY please) than say the 2930CI which I've been using for two weeks on my 1080p samsung dlp screen and am liking very much. I have a "regular" 3910 sitting on the sides, but I'm trying to figure out why to go back to this bigger box that seemed to have more issues with dark color leveling and some macro-blocking issues. I'd like to hear something REAL about why the 3910(CI or not CI) is better/worse than 2930(CI or not CI). Oh, BTW, the 3910 is no longer a "current product", it has been supplanted by the 3920 and 3930, so you can't use the side-by-side feature comparison from the Denon web site.

Getting tired of being over-product-managed-to-death by a company who used to stand for quality first, then hype. I think the pendulum has finally swumg more towards form than function, which is a darn shame.

I believe the 3930 (ci) has the hqv processsing that the 5910 (ci and not ci) does whereas the 2910 has the excellent but not quite as good realta reon processing--I use my 5910 (non-ci) largely for audio and use the video features through a toshiba crt that has a 1080i native resolution--thus the 'ci" upgrade (for mine is only firmware but still costs the same as if the actual board had to be replaced on the pre-6/05 models). Thus the 1080 P upgrade is not helpful for me until I get a new display that actualy will accept and display 1080p-mine is just an old 1080I non ci model and the primary benefit over the new 3930CI is the better d/a converters (i.e. audio stuff)--the video circuitry is largely the same. The 3910 and 3930CI have better audio d/a converters than the 2930 I think as well if one of your main interests is audio but the 2930 is also a great performer there. stereophile rated the 5910 "class a" as an audio component and the 3910 "class b (which would likely translate to the 3930 as well). They didn't ever test the 2910/20/30.

My player got a new laser and firmware. It is still in Denmark though so a few more days of waiting...

:D heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Got the player back yesterday and all is working fine. I tried maybe 20 original and 20 cd-r with and all loaded instantly. New laser is good :)

If one were to use a player exclusively for video, is it worth paying the premium for the DVD-5910CI over the DVD-3930CI?

I have read both the Secrets and Audioholics reviews of both.

Audioholics makes little distinction between their video performance. In fact, they scored identically on their video tests.

Secrets states that the biggest difference between the two is the omission of the DVDO HD Anchor Bay Technology Scaler from the 3930 whichs uses the Realta chip for scaling.

It is clear that for audio, the 5910 is superior to the 3930, but while the 5910 may be superior to the 3930 for video, I question how much.

Has anyone made this comparison?

If one were to use a player exclusively for video, is it worth paying the premium for the DVD-5910CI over the DVD-3930CI??

probably no tif just fo rvideo. plus you can always get a dvdo scaler and with hd video out there...seem slike it would be tough to just if THAT much price difference in an HD world if audio is NOT a consideration...

Easy, huh? Not quite, I had the 5910 connected via Denon link to a Denon receiver. Now the Denon receiver is out and another receiver is in. I connected the 5910 via 5.1 to get SACD and it is defaulting to stereo because the Denon link is still on. When I bring the setup I cannot select Denon link (it is greyed out).

So, how can I turn the Denon link off?

Wow, my eyes hurt. So I didn't piss anyone off, I just read through 40 pages of this thread and could still use a hand.

I have a 5910 and am getting a Meridian G68 in a couple days. My TV is a Panasonic th50px60u.

Can anyone give me a complete list of how to best set my system up? ie.

First, cabling. I currently have the component video cables going to an AVR then to my TV. Is this the best way of doing things or should I go directly from the 5910 to the TV and is component cable the best way?

For Audio, I have 6 RCA interconnects between the analog direct out to the AVR and a co-ax digital cable to the AVR. With the better processing power of the G68 should I run everything through the coax digital cable and ditch the analog outs altogether? I think the G68 converts everything to digital so am I best of not doing the D-->A conversion only to go back to digital again in the G68? Since there is not analog direct in the G68 it seems to me I should bypass the processing in the 5910, how do I do that?

Once wired optimally, how should I set up the menus?

I know these must seem like stupid questions to a lot of you but I am just getting a bit lost.

Wow, my eyes hurt. So I didn't piss anyone off, I just read through 40 pages of this thread and could still use a hand.

I have a 5910 and am getting a Meridian G68 in a couple days. My TV is a Panasonic th50px60u.

Can anyone give me a complete list of how to best set my system up? ie.

First, cabling. I currently have the component video cables going to an AVR then to my TV. Is this the best way of doing things or should I go directly from the 5910 to the TV and is component cable the best way?

For Audio, I have 6 RCA interconnects between the analog direct out to the AVR and a co-ax digital cable to the AVR. With the better processing power of the G68 should I run everything through the coax digital cable and ditch the analog outs altogether? I think the G68 converts everything to digital so am I best of not doing the D-->A conversion only to go back to digital again in the G68? Since there is not analog direct in the G68 it seems to me I should bypass the processing in the 5910, how do I do that?

Once wired optimally, how should I set up the menus?

I know these must seem like stupid questions to a lot of you but I am just getting a bit lost.
I would not use the Meridian to hook up the DVD (Video). The image will be better through HDMI which your TV provides (at least in theory because the 5910 can upscale the image to match your monitor resolution).
And you should not use the coax-out (except for CD maybe). The 5910 is a DVD-Audio/SACD player and you would not take advantage of that using coax. So you will need to use the 6 RCA interconnects. For CD playing, it is up to you to do an audio comparison and check whether you prefer the sound through the Meridian or through the 5910, the 5910 has a very powerful audio processing capability as well. I would try to turn off the A/D conversion in the Meriridan if possible for the DVD-A/SACD input (they should allow for that, if not shame on them).

Thanks, I do not think the Meridian allows for the analog to pass through so I think the 5910 will be used simply as a transport and SACD will be a digital to analog to digital to analog affair.

I will try the HDMI direct connection to the TV, thanks. Is it better than component? Any brand recommendations?

Any other set-up advice?

Hi everyone,
I have a problem with my Pioneer 930HD and Denon 5910 setup that I can't quite explain. The Denon 5910's connected to the Pioneer with a 20' HDMI cable, and it's gradually harder to get the components to synch when I switch between Input 1 (which has a Tivo Series 3 connected to it through an HDMI cable) and Input 3 (where the 5910's connected). At first the automatic 1080i upscaling on the Denon wasn't producing a picture unless I shut off the player & TV for a few minutes, turned on both again, switched between Inputs 1 and 3, and then let the Pioneer get "used" to a 480p/576i picture for a few minutes on Input 3 before the upscaling picture was visible.

Now it seems that the Pioneer won't recognize the 5910's HDMI connection at all. I've went and reconnected cables, turned on/off both machines for a few minutes before starting over, to no avail. However, composite and component video from the 5910 into the 930 is fine.

I'm going to try a new HDMI cable, but I vaguely remember an old 930HD thread talking about this happening. Are there specific inputs on the Tivo's "Live TV" that I should use to avoid confusing the 930? What's going on? Is it indeed an HDMI problem?

FYI, my 5910 build is 6/2005, and I have the original firmware still installed.

The Better Cables HDMI connecting the Denon to the Pioneer's barely a year old, by the way.

I now have a 5080 pioneer and have tried to use my 5900 using dvi to hdmi with it but I am having trouble. The dvi is turned on. I think!

My 5910ci has trouble reading CDs.. the display goes 0:00:00 and does not detect it as CD.. It takes re-boot to load a CD.. Also, sometime the HDMI/DVI keeps flashing while playing CD.. Any ideas???

My 5910ci has trouble reading CDs.. the display goes 0:00:00 and does not detect it as CD.. It takes re-boot to load a CD.. Also, sometime the HDMI/DVI keeps flashing while playing CD.. Any ideas???

I hate to say it but there are many reports about it being the laser assy. I currently have my 3910 @ Denon because it doesnt always load the media, and loud vibrations. It is a common problem with the x910 series.

The flashing HDMI indicator may be something different. I think I saw this discussed in the 3910 Owners thread.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/productImages/9/5/00000114295-DenonDVD5910DVDSACDuniversalplayer-large.jpeg

I bet it is a nice player, though its bulky..

Does anyone know a way of turning off the Macrovision protection feature on the 5910? Just like you can turn off the Regional Code feature on this player by a series of buttons pressing.

Ben

Anyone know when a replacement top of the line universal player with the addition of Blu-Ray will be released?

I am looking at a used Denon 5910. It has Denon Link 3, so I suspect it is a later build date. Anyway, as best I can tell the only difference between it and a 5910CI is 1080p upconverting. Are there any other differences?

Does anyone know a way of turning off the Macrovision protection feature on the 5910? Just like you can turn off the Regional Code feature on this player by a series of buttons pressing.

Ben
Have you turned off the regional code? and if you did, did it mess up any of the functions, or change video or audio in any way?

Anyone know when a replacement top of the line universal player with the addition of Blu-Ray will be released?
Denon has no plans to make a universal player, now that BLU-RAY has won the war, Denon Jeff says that their top of the line player, (which will have SACD, DVD-A, and some features using D-LINK, he won't talk about, but says it will be fantastic) should be out by years end, but if I know Denon, plan on that end of year being 2009, not 2008

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/productImages/9/5/00000114295-DenonDVD5910DVDSACDuniversalplayer-large.jpeg

I bet it is a nice player, though its bulky..
It's a lot more than nice, it's fantastic, far and away the best DVD player I've seen (own) upscaling to 1080 is unbelievable, one wonders if BLU-RAY is much better

I am looking at a used Denon 5910. It has Denon Link 3, so I suspect it is a later build date. Anyway, as best I can tell the only difference between it and a 5910CI is 1080p upconverting. Are there any other differences?
The 5910ci comes with a 5910 owners instruction manual plus one extra, 2 pages telling about the 1080p capability, and connection to receivers, so the only difference is the 1080p capability, so if you don't need that, go for the 5910, if you buy it, denon has a ci upgrade posted on it's web site, just be sure it was originally purchased from an authorized dealer, or Denon will not do anything for you.

It's a lot more than nice, it's fantastic, far and away the best DVD player I've seen (own) upscaling to 1080 is unbelievable, one wonders if BLU-RAY is much better

Blu-Ray is much better. But I watch a lot of DVDs too.

Have you turned off the regional code? and if you did, did it mess up any of the functions, or change video or audio in any way?

I haven't turned it back on, but I'm guessing that when I've watched the bonus DVDs from the James Bond 2fers it's the reason I only get oriental (not sure which language) characters appearing for menu selections rather than the English I get on another player. The 1st disks so far have played as one would expect with English menus; just the 2nd disks have been a weird that way -- and I could find no way to get them to display in English. A few other similar quirks I've had in the past (subtitles on/off when you would expect them to be off/on) I would suspect to be of the same nature.

But as I said, I've not re-enabled the region coding to see if it mattered.

My SOny 52W3000 is displaying that it's not a valid signal when I try to send 1080p throught the 5910ci that I got..

Obivously the TV ain't the issue as it takes 1080p from my HD-DVD player and Blu-Ray player just fine using the same HDMI cables..

Please advise.. I have selected Max. Res on the HDMI set-up page and the machine automatically defaults to 1080i..

I bot the machine off Magnolia Hifi and it's built date is Dec 2005.. THe machine is not marked anywhere as a Ci but upon power up, it says 5910ci and does sport the 1080p upgraded logo on the lower left.. which is consistent with what I have seen on the web as far as picture goes...

I was never an issue as my last TV only took 1080i and I have just purchased the 52W3000 Sony two weeks ago..

My SOny 52W3000 is displaying that it's not a valid signal when I try to send 1080p throught the 5910ci that I got..

Obivously the TV ain't the issue as it takes 1080p from my HD-DVD player and Blu-Ray player just fine using the same HDMI cables..

Please advise.. I have selected Max. Res on the HDMI set-up page and the machine automatically defaults to 1080i..

I bot the machine off Magnolia Hifi and it's built date is Dec 2005.. THe machine is not marked anywhere as a Ci but upon power up, it says 5910ci and does sport the 1080p upgraded logo on the lower left.. which is consistent with what I have seen on the web as far as picture goes...

I was never an issue as my last TV only took 1080i and I have just purchased the 52W3000 Sony two weeks ago..
You might try panel resolution instead of MAX, and AUTO instead of 1080p, if that doesn't work,,Go to the Denon home page, check for updates, they may have an answer to your problem in an update, since your 5910ci was built in 2005, I'm guessing there will be help from Denon for your issue, if there are no updates, just use the site to contact the tech. dept. and they will surely know what to tell you

Blu-Ray is much better. But I watch a lot of DVDs too.
I watch DVD'S on my 5910ci through a Denon avr5308ci you might be surprised at just how good the picture is, display is a Mitsubishi 73711 73" 9" guns RPTV, and DVD'S look as good as broadcast HDTV on this setup, which is amazing

I watch DVD'S on my 5910ci through a Denon avr5308ci you might be surprised at just how good the picture is, display is a ) 73" 9" guns RPTV, and DVD'S look as good as broadcast HDTV on this setup, which is amazing

I suspect your TV leaves a bit to be desired regarding resolution (Home Theater review, Nov 2002). Which would be what makes them appear similar...

But, blu-ray (or hd-dvd) will look significantly better on a TV that's up to the task of displaying the additional resolution.

Watch blu-rays, hd-dvds through respective types of players (via HDMI), and watch DVDs through the 5910... No match. (But it's still a pretty decent picture, depending on the DVD, and I still mostly watch DVDs.)

[My TV now: Sony KDS-R60XBR2. My previous TV was similar to yours, Mitsubishi 55" (non-Diamond); I do recall how sweet DVDs looked on it, so I'm sure they look pretty decent on your set too. More film-like than the XBR2; recall seeing it at the store back then...]

I suspect your TV leaves a bit to be desired regarding resolution (Home Theater review, Nov 2002). Which would be what makes them appear similar...

But, blu-ray (or hd-dvd) will look significantly better on a TV that's up to the task of displaying the additional resolution.

Watch blu-rays, hd-dvds through respective types of players (via HDMI), and watch DVDs through the 5910... No match. (But it's still a pretty decent picture, depending on the DVD, and I still mostly watch DVDs.)

[My TV now: Sony KDS-R60XBR2. My previous TV was similar to yours, Mitsubishi 55" (non-Diamond); I do recall how sweet DVDs looked on it, so I'm sure they look pretty decent on your set too. More film-like than the XBR2; recall seeing it at the store back then...]
1620X1080 is damned good, and there is more to a good picture than resolution, what you don't seem to get is how the Denon avr5308ci can and does improve any image, read up on it, it does amazing things, it's not the 5910ci alone, but the combination of the two, that makes the picture so damned good, the 5910ci, by itself is mearly very good, the two together is amazing, and I am not comparing the images only to my set, I have seen all the new technologies, DLP LCD LCOS etc. not impressed, they all have visible flaws, which a top of the line CRT does not, the day I see a better image then the one I get, I will buy it

1620X1080 is damned good, and there is more to a good picture than resolution, what you don't seem to get is how the Denon avr5308ci can and does improve any image, read up on it, it does amazing things, it's not the 5910ci alone, but the combination of the two, that makes the picture so damned good, the 5910ci, by itself is mearly very good, the two together is amazing, and I am not comparing the images only to my set, I have seen all the new technologies, DLP LCD LCOS etc. not impressed, they all have visible flaws, which a top of the line CRT does not, the day I see a better image then the one I get, I will buy it

I'm perplexed, what is your receiver doing that is improving your dvd picture? If your set is 1080i aren't you upscaling with the 5910 to match it? What does that leave for the receiver? While it may be smaller, don't look at a Pioneer Elite 150 plasma. While I agree with your statement about CRT in general, the 150 has the black level to match a CRT and lacks the problems with a RPTV. Your set is good, the 150 is better.

1620X1080 is damned good, and there is more to a good picture than resolution, what you don't seem to get is how the Denon avr5308ci can and does improve any image, read up on it, it does amazing things, it's not the 5910ci alone, but the combination of the two, that makes the picture so damned good, the 5910ci, by itself is mearly very good, the two together is amazing, and I am not comparing the images only to my set, I have seen all the new technologies, DLP LCD LCOS etc. not impressed, they all have visible flaws, which a top of the line CRT does not, the day I see a better image then the one I get, I will buy it

So the 5803 does better than the 5910? I've followed (one of) the 5803 thread(s) but have seen nothing to indicate this has been the case.

Point the way...

(Color me skeptical about DVD looking like hi-def. Certainly there have been some that look quite nice, the Bonds I mentioned above among several others, but hi-def, no.)

I have a 5910 connected to an AVR-4806 running to a Samsung HL-S6188 61" DLP. I also use my PS3 as a Blu-Ray player connected the same way.

The 5910 is, by far, the best looking SD player out there. The LOTR trilogy is stunning with this player.

That being said, it just doesn't compare to Blu-Ray. You can't argue that when Blu-Ray movies contain up to 6 times the pixel data on the screen (vs. DVD). Colors are much richer and have much more depth on Blu-Ray too.

So the 5803 does better than the 5910? I've followed (one of) the 5803 thread(s) but have seen nothing to indicate this has been the case.

Point the way...

(Color me skeptical about DVD looking like hi-def. Certainly there have been some that look quite nice, the Bonds I mentioned above among several others, but hi-def, no.)
The avr5308ci uses the Silicon Optix Realta HQV video processing & scaling chip set, not found in the 4806, or any other Denon Receiver, does the picture look as good as BLU-RAY? not when viewed side by side, ( borrowed a BR player from a friend) but viewed on it's own, that's a different story, don't poo poo something, when you haven't experienced it, the Realta HQV has previously been available only in professional products, hopefully it's cost will come down so it can be incorporated into less expensive devices, by the way the 73711 did not exist in 2002, my particular set was set up and calibrated by an ISF tech, and is spot on for gray scale, color, etc. takes a lot of hours and some fancy high tech equipment to do that, but well worth it, mitsubishi incorperates 3 chip sets that add artificial sharpness to the picture, he turned 2 of them off, because they could not be turned off on the remote, the third can be turned on or off by the remote, so he left it, the measured 1620X1080 exceeds Mitsubishi's own claims, go check out a 5308 you might be surprised

The avr5308ci uses the Silicon Optix Realta HQV video processing & scaling chip set, not found in the 4806, or any other Denon Receiver, does the picture look as good as BLU-RAY? not when viewed side by side, ( borrowed a BR player from a friend) but viewed on it's own, that's a different story, don't poo poo something, when you haven't experienced it, the Realta HQV has previously been available only in professional products, hopefully it's cost will come down so it can be incorporated into less expensive devices, by the way the 73711 did not exist in 2002, my particular set was set up and calibrated by an ISF tech, and is spot on for gray scale, color, etc. takes a lot of hours and some fancy high tech equipment to do that, but well worth it, mitsubishi incorperates 3 chip sets that add artificial sharpness to the picture, he turned 2 of them off, because they could not be turned off on the remote, the third can be turned on or off by the remote, so he left it, the measured 1620X1080 exceeds Mitsubishi's own claims, go check out a 5308 you might be surprised



But the 5910 also has the Realta HQV chip. If the player has it, you don't need it in the AVR.

But the 5910 also has the Realta HQV chip. If the player has it, you don't need it in the AVR.
You would think so wouldn't you, but that's not the case, the combo works better than the 5910ci by itself, I think the difference is the 5910ci uses DVDO video scaling, the 5308ci does not, it uses the HQV for scaling

Question on the 5910ci running HDMI for audio. I currently have the 5910 set up as "Multi Normal" for HDMI audio. From what I've read in the manual, this means it should "bitstream" the Dolby Digital and DTS tracks from a DVD.

I have the 5910 hooked up to a Yamaha RX-Z11 - again, using HDMI for audio and video. When I play a DVD, however, the Z11 will only light up "PCM" in the display vs. DD or DTS, which leads me to believe the 5910 is doing the decoding. Doesn't setting the 5910 to "Multi Normal" just bitstream the audio? If so, why am I getting "PCM" to the Z11?

Thanks for any feedback.

by the way the 73711 did not exist in 2002

It was reviewed in Home Theater magazine, according to its website, for the November 2002 issue. If it wasn't available then, then how could they review it?

http://www.hometheatermag.com/rearprojectiontvs/142/

It was reviewed in Home Theater magazine, according to its website, for the November 2002 issue. If it wasn't available then, then how could they review it?

http://www.hometheatermag.com/rearprojectiontvs/142/
they may have gotten an early preproduction model, it was introduced in 2003

I'm perplexed, what is your receiver doing that is improving your dvd picture? If your set is 1080i aren't you upscaling with the 5910 to match it? What does that leave for the receiver? While it may be smaller, don't look at a Pioneer Elite 150 plasma. While I agree with your statement about CRT in general, the 150 has the black level to match a CRT and lacks the problems with a RPTV. Your set is good, the 150 is better.
you need to go to the "don't throw your CRT TV away" thread by Mr. Bob, before you start believing Plazma or any of the new technologies are better than a fine CRT, they will be someday, but not just yet, Perhaps Mitsubishi's LazerView, lazer lit DLP will change that (I hope, it sounds fantastic, can hardly wait to see one, my friend went to the CES, and was stunned buy it, and Pioneer had a new set that produced images out of a black background so dark, and image so clear it seemed to be floating in air) if those two sets turn out to be as good as their CES prototypes suggest, I will concede the agruement, BUT, not before then (the 5910ci uses a DVDO scaler, the 5308ci uses the HQV for scaling, and aparently for just about everything else video wise)

you need to go to the "don't throw your CRT TV away" thread by Mr. Bob, before you start believing Plazma or any of the new technologies are better than a fine CRT, they will be someday, but not just yet, Perhaps Mitsubishi's LazerView, lazer lit DLP will change that (I hope, it sounds fantastic, can hardly wait to see one, my friend went to the CES, and was stunned buy it, and Pioneer had a new set that produced images out of a black background so dark, and image so clear it seemed to be floating in air) if those two sets turn out to be as good as their CES prototypes suggest, I will concede the agruement, BUT, not before then (the 5910ci uses a DVDO scaler, the 5308ci uses the HQV for scaling, and aparently for just about everything else video wise)

The Pioneer Elite 150 is superior to your set except for size. I'm not just saying that lightly, every review I've seen has said it's the best consumer display on the market leaving out FP. If you haven't seen an ISF calibrated Elite 150, I have, you should. Right off the bat it has more accurate color, superior geometry, more light output and higher resolution than your set. I've seen what Mr. Bob has said. The Elite 150 can't be compared to any other plasma. The real weakness in plasma historically was it's black level. The Elite is the first set to approach CRT, comments about other plasmas are immaterial. Your Mits is a great set, if you like it better, which is all that really matters, enjoy it.

It was reviewed in Home Theater magazine, according to its website, for the November 2002 issue. If it wasn't available then, then how could they review it?

http://www.hometheatermag.com/rearprojectiontvs/142/
I keep forgetting that the industry changes model years long before the calander year ends, so the 73711 was most likely available in the third or fourth quarter of 2002, even though it is a 2003 model

The Pioneer Elite 150 is superior to your set except for size. I'm not just saying that lightly, every review I've seen has said it's the best consumer display on the market leaving out FP. If you haven't seen an ISF calibrated Elite 150, I have, you should. Right off the bat it has more accurate color, superior geometry, more light output and higher resolution than your set. I've seen what Mr. Bob has said. The Elite 150 can't be compared to any other plasma. The real weakness in plasma historically was it's black level. The Elite is the first set to approach CRT, comments about other plasmas are immaterial. Your Mits is a great set, if you like it better, which is all that really matters, enjoy it.
I'm not going to get into a childish, "mine is better than yours" arguement, I will tell you however some of your assumptions about my set are just plain wrong.

OK, THIS IS FOR ALL YOU DOUBTING THOMASES, Vacationing/ Living in the Los Angeles area (now or in the not to distant future) if you find you have a Saturday evening/night with no other plans, YOU are invited for a demonstration..... there are however 3 no 4 things to keep in mind,,,,, #1 I have 3 dogs, so if you have allergies, or just plain don't like dogs, might not be a good idea to come over,,,,,,#2 I am not the best housekeeper in the world, my place can best be described as organized chaos,,,,,, #3 the invite is strictly BYOB, and if you are the type who gets the munchies, bring something to munch on with you,,,,, #4 absolutely NO small Children

I'm not going to get into a childish, "mine is better than yours" arguement, I will tell you however some of your assumptions about my set are just plain wrong.

Your assumption that I own the Elite is just plain wrong. I wish I did, but I'm holding out for the 9G. Only a true believer would maintain a CRT RPTV of any kind, and yours is probably the best, was better than the Elite 150. Enjoy your rose colored glasses.

Your assumption that I own the Elite is just plain wrong. I wish I did, but I'm holding out for the 9G. Only a true believer would maintain a CRT RPTV of any kind, and yours is probably the best, was better than the Elite 150. Enjoy your rose colored glasses.
still looking for a pissing contest? how sad

I'm not going to get into a childish, "mine is better than yours" arguement, I will tell you however some of your assumptions about my set are just plain wrong.

And some of them are right. So there you go...

Looking forward to the next Denon superstar. If I still have a job by then, or I've managed to find the next one, may just have to take the plunge.

Still find my 5910's occaisional hiccups (once in a while splash of random, non-repeatable macroblocks) irritating (mentioned by a few others). Anybody know if there is/was a fix for that particular problem? Otherwise it's peachy.

And some of them are right. So there you go...

Looking forward to the next Denon superstar. If I still have a job by then, or I've managed to find the next one, may just have to take the plunge.

Still find my 5910's occaisional hiccups (once in a while splash of random, non-repeatable macroblocks) irritating (mentioned by a few others). Anybody know if there is/was a fix for that particular problem? Otherwise it's peachy.
No TV is perfect, I go out every year around January February, to look at all the new sets (there is no shortage of high end audio video stores in Pasadena - Los Angeles - Glendale - Hollywood and Santa Monica) at least 5 or 6 full days worth, as I said, as soon as I see something better I will buy it, I am not stuck on what I have, and have an open enough mind to try to find better, but I don't just assume something is better because it's new, not without checking it out first,,,,, sorry about the glitches in your 5910, haven't had a problem yet, hope I don't, hope you find a solution

no-nonsense,

Check out Mr. Bob's post, #3113, on the Don't Throw Away Your CRT thread. Just to be clear, I never said the Elite 150 was cost effective.

Have you turned off the regional code? and if you did, did it mess up any of the functions, or change video or audio in any way?

My 5910 was originally a Code 2 unit. Since my DVD collection is all Code 1, I had it reset accordingly. No problem whatsoever encountered. Best player I've owned, having gone thru flagships from Sony and Pioneer (2 each) and a Krell.

Anybody have any suggestions before I reset the Microprocessor on my unit...
I fail to get a picture via HDMI or DVI from my 5910, I know the physical input on the HDCP compatible display is working as I can hookup other sources without incident.
I have set HDMI/DVI output resolution to 720p (native rate of my display)
I have tried output format YCbCr or RGB, neither work
I have assured I am not in a pure direct mode
s video and component video work, digital audio via coax does work
I find it very odd that both outputs would fail simultaneously

Thanks for any assistance
Don

Anybody have any suggestions before I reset the Microprocessor on my unit...
I fail to get a picture via HDMI or DVI from my 5910, I know the physical input on the HDCP compatible display is working as I can hookup other sources without incident.
I have set HDMI/DVI output resolution to 720p (native rate of my display)
I have tried output format YCbCr or RGB, neither work
I have assured I am not in a pure direct mode
s video and component video work, digital audio via coax does work
I find it very odd that both outputs would fail simultaneously

Thanks for any assistance
Don
Don,

I just thought I might chime in with a similar, though not identical, situation. My Denon DVD-5910 has been connected to a Mitsubishi WS-55815 for a year now via HDMI, faithfully outputting phenomenal 1080i (as is the native resolution of a CRT RPTV) from hundreds of DVDs. When I created a dedicated home theater, I purchased an Epson Home Cinema 720 projector, and the Denon continued to flawlessly output the now 720p native resolution when HDMI was run directly to it.

Having had a receiver with no HDMI switching or repeating functionality, I recently upgraded in order to take advantage of some of the new high-resolution audio formats. I purchased a Denon AVR-2808CI, expecting, of course, that this unit would be eminently compatible with the flagship DVD player of its own family. Well, much to my chagrin, the DVD-5910 locks up and stops all operation the very second it is connected to the AVR-2808CI. I can run HDMI directly to the projector and get a great picture, I can run it directly to my other two HDMI compatible displays and get a great picture, but when I try to run it to my receiver, my DENON receiver, the thing flips out and freezes. It won't even allow me to open the disc tray until I've disconnected the HDMI cable and performed a hard reset.

Denon's response to me is that the DVD-5910 is faulty and must be sent in for service at my expense. THEIR flagship DVD player won't interface with THEIR receiver, and I get to fund the R&D to iron out the flaw. Just ridiculous.

Has anyone had a similar experience?

I really took the Denon tech support guy to task and questioned how he could assert that my DVD player is at fault when it functions with no issues when connected to anything except the receiver, but he says since the strange behavior happens in the DVD player that it is at fault, not the receiver.

Don,

I just thought I might chime in with a similar, though not identical, situation. My Denon DVD-5910 has been connected to a Mitsubishi WS-55815 for a year now via HDMI, faithfully outputting phenomenal 1080i (as is the native resolution of a CRT RPTV) from hundreds of DVDs. When I created a dedicated home theater, I purchased an Epson Home Cinema 720 projector, and the Denon continued to flawlessly output the now 720p native resolution when HDMI was run directly to it.

Having had a receiver with no HDMI switching or repeating functionality, I recently upgraded in order to take advantage of some of the new high-resolution audio formats. I purchased a Denon AVR-2808CI, expecting, of course, that this unit would be eminently compatible with the flagship DVD player of its own family. Well, much to my chagrin, the DVD-5910 locks up and stops all operation the very second it is connected to the AVR-2808CI. I can run HDMI directly to the projector and get a great picture, I can run it directly to my other two HDMI compatible displays and get a great picture, but when I try to run it to my receiver, my DENON receiver, the thing flips out and freezes. It won't even allow me to open the disc tray until I've disconnected the HDMI cable and performed a hard reset.

Denon's response to me is that the DVD-5910 is faulty and must be sent in for service at my expense. THEIR flagship DVD player won't interface with THEIR receiver, and I get to fund the R&D to iron out the flaw. Just ridiculous.

Has anyone had a similar experience?

I really took the Denon tech support guy to task and questioned how he could assert that my DVD player is at fault when it functions with no issues when connected to anything except the receiver, but he says since the strange behavior happens in the DVD player that it is at fault, not the receiver.

What you really should do is keep the HDMI cable in place to your TV and run the DenonLink cable to your Denon receiver. (That's what I do, and why I've not run into this problem (I used to use component to my previous TV with DenonLink for the sound; when I got a new TV, just used HDMI instead of component)).

Pretty sure there's one or two mentions of this problem somewhere or other on this forum -- maybe even in this thread. Member 'no-nonsense' comes to mind as one person who discussed this issue. Likely on the 5308 thread.)

Not sure if you can switch it through the receiver via HDMI (by turning off sound somewhere in the chain (5910 or 2808)), but that is also one (slight) possibility. Your 5910 is not "broken" and in need of "repair", but unless there is a specific firmware update or whatever to address this problem, you would probably be wasting time and/or money to have Denon "repair" it.

What you really should do is keep the HDMI cable in place to your TV and run the DenonLink cable to your Denon receiver. (That's what I do, and why I've not run into this problem (I used to use component to my previous TV with DenonLink for the sound; when I got a new TV, just used HDMI instead of component)).

Pretty sure there's one or two mentions of this problem somewhere or other on this forum -- maybe even in this thread. Member 'no-nonsense' comes to mind as one person who discussed this issue. Likely on the 5308 thread.)

Not sure if you can switch it through the receiver via HDMI (by turning off sound somewhere in the chain (5910 or 2808)), but that is also one (slight) possibility. Your 5910 is not "broken" and in need of "repair", but unless there is a specific firmware update or whatever to address this problem, you would probably be wasting time and/or money to have Denon "repair" it.

I hadn't thought about fiddling with the HDMI audio output. I actually use the 5.1 outputs to my receiver because the 5910 has such vastly superior audio reproduction. As far as DenonLink is concerned, I managed to buy the model just below the inclusion of that feature so I'm out of luck there. Shutting off the audio (if possible) sounds like a good option, though, so I'll give that a shot!

The good news is that I actually have one month left of "free" service from Denon and a whole year left from the retailer, from whom I made the usually questionable decision to purchase an extended warranty. I didn't realize any of this until I fished through mountains of receipts and found the 5910's buried beneath the manual for a Tassimo coffee maker. We shall see!

As an aside, Does anyone feel there's much reason to invest in the "CI" upgrade for my player? I will be looking into a 1080p projector about this time next year, but I don't know if its worth anticipating that. I guess I just worry they'll stop offering the modification and I'll miss the boat, but maybe that's an unfounded fear as well.

As an aside, Does anyone feel there's much reason to invest in the "CI" upgrade for my player? I will be looking into a 1080p projector about this time next year, but I don't know if its worth anticipating that. I guess I just worry they'll stop offering the modification and I'll miss the boat, but maybe that's an unfounded fear as well.

I am in the same boat, and I will definitely NOT upgrade. And I don't have the Denonlink upgrade either, I bought a very early release. (And I don't have a Denon receiver, either).

Denon is going to release a new flagship model next year that does what the 5910 does plus Blu-Ray. At that point, my 5910 will be a pretty pricey doorstop, and I don't see the need to throw more good money after bad, for what I am sure will be only a very slight improvement.

For that matter, I don't notice the difference whether I let the Denon upscale from 480p or let my new Samsung 67" LED DLP do it--they both do a great job.

I'd rather put the upgrade money in a "cheap" Blu-Ray player to hold me over.

But if Denon does come out with the new flagship with Blu-Ray, and the format seems at that point to have some legs, I'll almost certainly get one.

I am in the same boat, and I will definitely NOT upgrade. And I don't have the Denonlink upgrade either, I bought a very early release. (And I don't have a Denon receiver, either).

Denon is going to release a new flagship model next year that does what the 5910 does plus Blu-Ray. At that point, my 5910 will be a pretty pricey doorstop, and I don't see the need to throw more good money after bad, for what I am sure will be only a very slight improvement.

For that matter, I don't notice the difference whether I let the Denon upscale from 480p or let my new Samsung 67" LED DLP do it--they both do a great job.

I'd rather put the upgrade money in a "cheap" Blu-Ray player to hold me over.

But if Denon does come out with the new flagship with Blu-Ray, and the format seems at that point to have some legs, I'll almost certainly get one.

The format has legs... Eyeing that flagship too, but also eyeing whether I'll have a job at that point -- once got a fortune cookie fortune that said "You will never need to worry about a steady job" (as I recall), so what the heck am I worrying about? :).

(I didn't bother with the CI upgrade either; thought about it, but my TV does quite well with converting 1080i to 1080p, component or HDMI.)

Did you know that dvd with hdmi 1.1 and ampli 1.3 are not compatible about the output streaming audio.

I have check in all part of forums and many people has problem with dvd 1.1 and ampli 1.3, but noone in official say this.

I have dvd a1xva and avc 1hd and audio via hdmi in bitastream doesn't work

Pls read and let me know

Regards

Did you know that dvd with hdmi 1.1 and ampli 1.3 are not compatible about the output streaming audio.

I have check in all part of forums and many people has problem with dvd 1.1 and ampli 1.3, but noone in official say this.

I have dvd a1xva and avc 1hd and audio via hdmi in bitastream doesn't work

Pls read and let me know

Regards


Just read a few posts previous to yours (on this very same page). It discussed this very same issue (hdmi audio from the 5910 is apparently not an option, but hdmi video works fine). Not certain there was a resolution regarding turning off the HDMI audio on the DVD player and passing just the video through the receiver and/or preamp. But DenonLink works fine for audio to the receiver/preamp with a direct HDMI feed to the TV, this I know.

Just read a few posts previous to yours (on this very same page). It discussed this very same issue (hdmi audio from the 5910 is apparently not an option, but hdmi video works fine). Not certain there was a resolution regarding turning off the HDMI audio on the DVD player and passing just the video through the receiver and/or preamp. But DenonLink works fine for audio to the receiver/preamp with a direct HDMI feed to the TV, this I know.

There is a guys that has solved this matter:

here the link


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1032195&highlight=


But i want to have an official answer from DENON.

Here in italy noone is able to give an official answer.

I will write to DENON JAPAN

Giuseppe

Anyone know why my DVD-5910 might only be outputting two channels (front left and right) out of six from the 5.1 analog outputs?

I have it set up to output HDMI as well, and SACD and DVD-A are set for multi-channel, so I'm not sure what could be going wrong.

Thanks.

Anyone know why my DVD-5910 might only be outputting two channels (front left and right) out of six from the 5.1 analog outputs?

I have it set up to output HDMI as well, and SACD and DVD-A are set for multi-channel, so I'm not sure what could be going wrong.

Thanks.

Possibly you have the HDMI hooked up to your TV (either directly or through a receiver, probably won't matter)? Your TV can only output two channels, so it could be overriding what you have set up elsewhere. Turn your 5910's HDMI audio off and see if you get your 5.1 analog channels back...

(Back when I was trying to get my system upgraded to HDMI and 1080p, had similar issues with my TV making life difficult for the HDMI audio. At least that's the conclusion I ultimately came to. (Not for the 5910, as for me it's still using DenonLink, but at the time it was the TV and the blu-ray player and various HDMI splitters that never panned out.))

Possibly you have the HDMI hooked up to your TV (either directly or through a receiver, probably won't matter)? Your TV can only output two channels, so it could be overriding what you have set up elsewhere. Turn your 5910's HDMI audio off and see if you get your 5.1 analog channels back...

(Back when I was trying to get my system upgraded to HDMI and 1080p, had similar issues with my TV making life difficult for the HDMI audio. At least that's the conclusion I ultimately came to. (Not for the 5910, as for me it's still using DenonLink, but at the time it was the TV and the blu-ray player and various HDMI splitters that never panned out.)

I figured out the problem. I had the HDMI output set to multichannel in the Digital Interface Setup Menu. When I set it to two channel, I could alter settings in the Audio Setup Menu and fix the problem. I guess if you want analog 5.1 output you can't set the Digital Interface Setup Menu setting to more than two channels.

hi guys,have a Anthem D2 and was thinking of a universal source,i have a 128 now and a cheap Panasonic DVD(w/hdmi).I was wondering if anyone compared these and if there was still alot of glitches with the 5910 and the D2?
thanks John

You may want to wait till early next year--Denon is reportedly coming out with a replacement for the 5910 that does BluRay as well.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1048326&goto=newpost

This is not the top of the thread, but will get you there. :)

thanks for your reply,i will keep that in mind.
john