Here is a newer email I got from the Chief Engineer (retired) at UNC-TV on 03/31/09:
Technical Response, Ticket # 10494
The TVGOS data (originally Gemstar) now Macrovision that was transmitted over WUNL-TV's analog broadcast in your area was suspended several weeks ago. The data comes to the transmitter site via phone line. The TVGOS folks (Macrovision) that supply the data to the PBS stations did not have telephone line service scheduled beyond the original analog shutoff date of February 17. They have restored service in some markets but not in the Triad on WUNL-TV Winston-Salem so that service has been off for some time.
Further, UNC-TV has notified the TV Guide (Macrovision) folks that UNC-TV is suspending carriage of the TV Guide data at all transmitter sites beginning April 1. There are many reasons for this and the primary reason is as we switch the cable companies over to digital service, this TVGOS data is not available on our digital broadcast.
Wow, you did a lot better than I did in dealing with TWC. Okay, here's the weird thing. Monday night I set my box to zipcode 00000 and left it off overnight. Tuesday morning I set the zip back to my real Greensboro zip. By 2 PM I had listings for nearly every station for Tues/Wed. So it looks like the service may have been activated long enough for exactly one day of successful download!

On the other hand, I checked the 753... diagnostic screens last night and I am NOT showing a host channel. My hope is that this means WFMY has started sending their digital feed and my zipcode reset caused the box to resync to it. Previously, I had partial listings coming from WGHP (Fox) OTA. User FOXENG told me on the Greensboro forum that they have a box set up on the phone line just like your WUNC guy described, but they've never been told specifically what it's supposed to carry, just that it's a VBI device. When I had 0-8 (OTA 8) as a host, I was getting listings for WGN and VH1C, and no others. I noticed last night that my current listings are missing VH1C, so maybe that was a supplement to WUNC's feed.

If you receive TVGOS on cable, with analog equipment, there is a possibility that TWC will be putting the data on the WFMY signal as WFMY has agreed to carry and broadcast this data on their digital signal. If your equipment receives the TVGOS data over-the-air with an antenna, then this service will completely end when analog broadcasting ends June 12.
I'm quoting this separately because it's old news to us, but I somewhat wonder if TWC in the Triad has been made aware of exactly what is going on. The TWC engineer I spoke with was aware of problems with TIVO boxes -- some TIVO boxes needed a converter to take the digital feed and convert it to analog VBI -- which would seemingly work for us if such a device could be made compatible, as I'm sure the Radio Shack gurus around here could make happen, and if TWC were sending the digital feed. So far, that's the big question. Well, I suppose there's also the question of whether or not WFMY is broadcasting the feed. I haven't been able to pick up WFMY digital OTA.

Will12, would you please forward that response to Terry Cross? I'm highly suspicious as to the quality of communication going his way.

So, question time:

For Will12 or any fellow Greensboro TVGOSers, Are you getting any listings today? Have you tried the 00000...overnight...realzip trick? Are you able to pick up WFMY digital OTA? If so, any listings? I'm not sure if WFMY would broadcast the feed on their -1, -2, or whatever, so if anybody is getting that feed, please note if all the - stations come through.

For anyone who is getting listings from a digital provider, do you have a host channel listed on the 753... diagnostic screen?


April 2, 2009
Yep, looks like yesterday was the last of my listings. Talk about timing!

Will12, would you please forward that response to Terry Cross? I'm highly suspicious as to the quality of communication going his way.

So, question time:

For Will12 or any fellow Greensboro TVGOSers, Are you getting any listings today? Have you tried the 00000...overnight...realzip trick? Are you able to pick up WFMY digital OTA? If so, any listings? I'm not sure if WFMY would broadcast the feed on their -1, -2, or whatever, so if anybody is getting that feed, please note if all the - stations come through.

For anyone who is getting listings from a digital provider, do you have a host channel listed on the 753... diagnostic screen?


April 2, 2009
Yep, looks like yesterday was the last of my listings. Talk about timing!

evernight - No data today. I have forwarded the UNC-TV email to my last known email contact at TWC and asked them to send it to Terry - since Terry called me and I don't have his direct address. I'm heading out of town for a few days, so if I don't have any data when I get back, I will try the 00000 trick.

Yesterday I tried a new tack. Previously I'd attempted to pick up the VBI on my antenna, making the assumption that if WFMY were broadcasting the digital feed as rabbitears said they were, it would come through to me via Time Warner Cable. I'm no longer prepared to make that assumption, so last night I oriented my antenna to pick up WFMY-HD OTA. No listings today, but I don't know if that's conclusive, as I didn't perform any sort of reset on the box.

So here's what I'd like to know from people who have successfully received listings digitally.

1) Did you receive the feed OTA or via cable?

2) Did you have to do a reset of any of the many kinds that come up here? If so, what kind?

3) Do you have any listing for host channel on the 753159852 page?

Thanks in advance!

After years of enjoying my Sony 500gb HD DVR, I am tired of the TVGOS data games! This only started happening this year!!!

I'm going to use my media ctr PC to stream to my xbox next to my plasma.

Anyone want to buy my used sony w/ remote, manual and orig. box?

Starting Friday I've had (mostly) full listings, after partial listings Tuesday and Wednesday but nothing Thursday. I found a sweet spot for my OTA antennae where I can pick up CBS HD and several other digital channels, some of which are not on "Basic" TWC. I'm pretty sure that's how I'm getting the listings. They're also probably analog, and possibly from WGHP (Fox, channel 8) as that's the last host channel I saw. I'm happy for now, but who knows what's next?

Incidentally, I recommend anybody having problems to dig into the spiffspace forums. There's a procedure there to "force" the digital host channel, though there's still a preference for analog on the boxes that causes them to switch back, reportedly.

After years of enjoying my Sony 500gb HD DVR, I am tired of the TVGOS data games! This only started happening this year!!!

I'm going to use my media ctr PC to stream to my xbox next to my plasma.

Anyone want to buy my used sony w/ remote, manual and orig. box?

Let me know what your assking. I may be interested. a.b.christie@excite.com.
Alan

Alan, I have much to watch and delete on it before I can sell.... let's talk in a month :)

I saw in the Greenville SC forum that TVGOS is most likely dead in my area for good! What a joke! :mad:

Someone here suggested a class action lawsuit a month or so ago..... that still being considered? :confused:

I just thought I would mention that Sony just accounted their new models of HDTV's, including the new XBR9. While Sony continues to offer TV Guide On Screen, it is now "internet powered", which I assume means it gets its programming data thru its ethernet/internet port, instead of OTA.

That is certainly a change for the better, and makes we wonder why it took so long for TVGOS to make such a change.

BTW, does anyone know what the URL will be, for the data?

Someone here suggested a class action lawsuit a month or so ago..... that still being considered? :confused:

I believe I suggested it (though others may have too). If you're seriious that TVGOS is dead, that will leave me PISSED!

I'm having dinner w/ a lawyer friend next Tuesday. I'll have a chat with him to see what kind of lawyer is best to approach for this kind of an issue and what it takes to set up a class-action lawsuit.

I believe I suggested it (though others may have too). If you're seriious that TVGOS is dead, that will leave me PISSED!


IMHO, it isn't dead. It is just changing with the times. I mean, it wasn't TVGOS that caused the national change to digital TV.

If there is some sort of lawsuit, I would rather see its goal to be to get TVGOS to offer us "converters"; to not leave all us older customers behind.

There is currently the DTVpal, which "converts" ATSC (digital OTA) to NTSC-based TVGOS data. What we need is also something converts from QAM (digital cable) to NTSC-based TVGOS data, and something that converts internet (see my post above) to NTSC-based TVGOS data. If these converter devices existed, we should be OK for a long while.

Yesterday I tried a new tack. Previously I'd attempted to pick up the VBI on my antenna, making the assumption that if WFMY were broadcasting the digital feed as rabbitears said they were, it would come through to me via Time Warner Cable. I'm no longer prepared to make that assumption, so last night I oriented my antenna to pick up WFMY-HD OTA. No listings today, but I don't know if that's conclusive, as I didn't perform any sort of reset on the box.

So here's what I'd like to know from people who have successfully received listings digitally.

1) Did you receive the feed OTA or via cable?

2) Did you have to do a reset of any of the many kinds that come up here? If so, what kind?

3) Do you have any listing for host channel on the 753159852 page?

Thanks in advance!

Evernight:
1) My listings via TWC in Greensboro are back this morning (Friday) at least through Sunday morning - hopefully they are still loading and just haven't finished yet. I am receiving them from TWC via cable with no box to my analog Panasonic DVR and analog TV, just as they used to be before UNC-TV cut off the local feed.
2) I did reset my DVR, putting in the 00000 area code over Wednesday night, then the real area code over Thursday night.
3) I will wait until I'm sure I've got the full listings before checking for the host channel.

evernight; PM me (your PM's are turned off).

Update - as of Easter Sunday I now have a full 8 days of TVGOS listings. My host channel reads 00-9 (which is WFMY on TWC). Unbelievably happy! I have a sister-in-law in town who is not getting the listings yet, I had her set the area code to 00000 yesterday, and told her to set it to the correct code today, to see if she starts getting them on Monday.

Update - as of Easter Sunday I now have a full 8 days of TVGOS listings. My host channel reads 00-9 (which is WFMY on TWC). Unbelievably happy! I have a sister-in-law in town who is not getting the listings yet, I had her set the area code to 00000 yesterday, and told her to set it to the correct code today, to see if she starts getting them on Monday.

work for sis in law?

Update - as of Easter Sunday I now have a full 8 days of TVGOS listings. My host channel reads 00-9 (which is WFMY on TWC). Unbelievably happy! I have a sister-in-law in town who is not getting the listings yet, I had her set the area code to 00000 yesterday, and told her to set it to the correct code today, to see if she starts getting them on Monday.
Hi again. Just to confirm, you at not time have tried OTA? I'm somewhat dubious of the host channel listings. 9 is TWC's read on WFMY's analog station, so I wonder if that'll conk out on June 12. Must check my host again tonight.

videobruce, I PM'd.

Hi again. Just to confirm, you at not time have tried OTA? I'm somewhat dubious of the host channel listings. 9 is TWC's read on WFMY's analog station, so I wonder if that'll conk out on June 12. Must check my host again tonight.

No, I have not tried OTA. My discussion with the engineer at TWC left me hopeful that the listings will continue beyond June 12. Keeping my fingers crossed!

work for sis in law?


No, she is still missing listings. I sent her the instructions for a full reset (using the 653159147 code) today (Tuesday 4/14).

No, she is still missing listings. I sent her the instructions for a full reset (using the 653159147 code) today (Tuesday 4/14).

I've been following this thread for ages (read: since my listings stopped displaying).

I live in Western MA (Northampton) and my local PBS station is WGBY.

Is there difinitive write-up on the steps to go through to try to get things to work? I quote the above post since the term "full reset" doesn't mean much to me. Anyone have any pointers on what I can do/where I can go to go through the steps to try a "do over"?

BTW, I'm meeting my lawyer friend tonight and will discuss what it takes to do a class-action and post back.

Is there difinitive write-up on the steps to go through to try to get things to work? I quote the above post since the term "full reset" doesn't mean much to me. Anyone have any pointers on what I can do/where I can go to go through the steps to try a "do over"?


I was referring to the reset procedure posted in several places in the avsforums, this worked for my DVR specifically, see post #30 here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=941025

Since my cable system dropped the PBS station as the TVGOS host and added the local CBS station, I had to force my DVR to go search for the new host, and the full reset seems to be what did the trick. On my DVR, holding down the "up" and "down" channel buttons together for several seconds worked to reset it also. Depends on your equipment.

No, she is still missing listings. I sent her the instructions for a full reset (using the 653159147 code) today (Tuesday 4/14).

Can you send me the full reset instruction usiing 653....

Thanks Gregg

Go to setup, toggle down one line, enter 653159147, wait untill it resets, turn TV off for a day.

Go to setup, toggle down one line, enter 653159147, wait untill it resets, turn TV off for a day.

Will this affect
A) recordings?
B) schedule of upcoming recordings?
C) channel lineup?

thanks,
Kevin

Can anyone take a look in the channel line up, in the setup->change channel lineup screen, and see if the channel PLEXe is there? Its the Movieplex cable channel, and I do not have it in mine, even though its been updating the program listings correctly. Thanks in advance.

TVGOS has been out for 3 months after being out for another 2 in November with numerous calls to Toshiba Tech support, including incident report to Macrovision. In general Toshiba's support is good and they try to be helpful but no one thought to ask what station was listed for the only Analog ( read: TVGOS host) channel. Originally like many it was the local PBS station but now is CBS. I stumbled on this by pure frustration and when I called Toshiba late afternoon, 4/13 and also e-mailed Macrovision with the incident # and my Zipcode lo and behold I started to receive some data by the next afternoon,and the full grid by this morning Why Macrovision would have to be told about this when Comcast is probably their largest provider of TVGOS info for them is really incompetent. How could they not have been in contact with Comcast in the Philly area to coordinate changing the host channel for PBS to CBS? Even though anyone with TVGOS should be the same priority you would think a market as large as Philadelphia and it's suburbs would not fall through the tracks. Done my rant, glad I have my guide back

ClemsonKev;
Not existing recordings,
Probably, untill it fully updates and you re-setup the channel assignments,
See above.

Go to setup, toggle down one line, enter 653159147, wait untill it resets, turn TV off for a day.

I did this yesterday. There doesn't seem to be any visual indicator of a reset, is there? Or did I do it wrong?

The screen goes black, except for the preview window in the upper left corner and returns to whatever channel you were on.

Of the two supposed different resets (warm and cold), I don't see any difference between the two. I just did a system reset (653274147), which I don't like since it turns the TV off without a cool down cycle to fully get rid of the existing data.

The screen goes black, except for the preview window in the upper left corner and returns to whatever channel you were on.

Of the two supposed different resets (warm and cold), I don't see any difference between the two. I just did a system reset (653274147), which I don't like since it turns the TV off without a cool down cycle to fully get rid of the existing data.Did your Mits revert back to TVGOS Setup square one as it used to after you did that TVGOS System Reset? I'm asking because I just did it (first time since the Mits software update) and it didn't allow me to go through TVGOS setup from scratch like it used to. In fact, my TVGOS input config is wrong and I'm trying to correct it (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16301744).

Only after this reset (if I remember correctly).
It's still sitting at that 1st level upgrade.

Per my earlier post, I reached out to a lawyer friend about the idea of a class-action, and this is what he had to say:

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: ...
To: ama@...
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:13:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: class action

A lot of different thoughts on this. First, if you read all of the fine print in your manual, warranty, etc., I'm guessing that you'll find language to the effect that even though the TV supports the functionality, it is not within the manufacturer's control whether any third-party content providers support that functionality, and that they will not be liable if none do. Big companies (such as TV manufacturers) have hordes of lawyers who do nothing but sit around and try to anticipate and head off lawsuits like this one. I'd be pretty surprised if they didn't cover something like this. Now, such a statement would have limited, but some, value if this got to a courtroom.

But furthermore, even without such a provision, I wonder whether caselaw supports a claim like this. I mean, my set supports 1080p and is marketed on that fact, but there is little 1080p programming out there. They sold you functionality, not the service or content. If I sell you a screwdriver, I doubt I'd be at fault if you can't find a screw to use it on. And I doubt if I'd succeed in suing Sony because I can't get the latest movies for my betamax anymore. All that of course is just speculation -- this is veeery far from my areas of expertise.

As to the process question, I'm not really sure how you'd go about this. A handful of you would need to find lawyers who do specialize in false advertising, product liability, contracts, etc. etc. If those lawyers felt like the case had legs, they would file the suit on behalf of the handful of you that brought the case, and then take steps to make it a class action, and do the work to establish the larger class of harmed customers etc. etc. For a big case like this, you'd need a big, sophisticated firm, rather than some ambitious individual. Just start networking among city firms and see who you could have initial conversations with. Someone who does this for a living could likely tell you quickly whether it has merit. And since they probably get paid on a contingent basis, you can trust that opinion.

Keep in mind what you have to gain and lose here. Big class actions can be good for punishing large corporations when they do wrong, and very good for making the lawyers involved wealthy, but the members of the class -- the customers hurt in the first place -- often end up with little to show for their efforts. Would it be worth all of this effort if seven years from now you received a coupon for 5 percent off the purchase of a new television set? I can't imagine a scenario in which anyone could be compelled to provide the service that you miss.

My own hunch -- again, not worth a thing here -- is to drop it. I suspect there is not much of a case here, and even if there were, the potential gain is not worth the time and effort. But, no harm in talking to some lawyers about it.

there is not much of a case hereDito.

Dito.

Yea. I concur. That Atty spelled out what I was thinking.

Problem #1:
Macrovision's (formerly Gemstar) insistance not to directly allow contact from the consumer. They force you to go through the manufacture that has no clue about any of this and doesn't really care. All they do is pass numbers along to MV and wait for a lame reply that is usually wrong.

Problem #2:
Designing the system with no formal support other than filling out some form. By providing a diagonsitic screen, but not providing some way of interperting the most relevent entries.

Problem #3:
By not designing the system to allow the user to speed up the process by palcing the device on thier host cgannel, eliminating the overly long delay while the device searches a couple hundred channels for what an educated comsumer might already know,

Problem #4:
By using confusing, criptic and now outdated terms within those diagonstic screens,

Lastly, problem #5:
Not giving the consumer more credit for information that is readily available regarding all of the above.

End statement of facts.

[QUOTE=videobruce;16325251]Problem #1:
Problem #4:
By using confusing, criptic and now outdated terms within those diagonstic screens,

So your being criptic, who or what is the CEA and how can antenna web help?

Thanks Gregg

That's his SIGNATURE BOZOO :)

Not part of TVGOS

videobruce, big Amen to those. Wasted so much time because of those and lack of information. The manual with my TOSHIBA said it MIGHT take 24 hours to start and it MIGHT take 8 days to fully populate. IF it had said it WILL instead of might it would have saved a lot of worry and wasted time for me.

That's his SIGNATURE BOZOO :)
Not part of TVGOSYou mean Bozo?

Just figured that was it but he didn't know how to spell it :)

I'm in Durham, NC, on TimeWarner Cable without a set-top-box (standard package). I receive ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS all in QAM (plus analog) from the cable. TVGoS went out about a month ago. I tried setting the zip to 00000 overnight but that didn't do anything. The TVGoS screen would have the correct time and would say it found the channel lineup, but I wouldn't get the schedule. I did the hard-reset and let it sit for several days, and now it can't find the time or the channel lineup.

I've tried forcing the channel to QAM for CBS and for analog for CBS but neither setting had any affect.

Is there something else I can try?

I'm in Durham, NC, on TimeWarner Cable without a set-top-box (standard package). I receive ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS all in QAM (plus analog) from the cable. TVGoS went out about a month ago. I tried setting the zip to 00000 overnight but that didn't do anything. The TVGoS screen would have the correct time and would say it found the channel lineup, but I wouldn't get the schedule. I did the hard-reset and let it sit for several days, and now it can't find the time or the channel lineup.

I've tried forcing the channel to QAM for CBS and for analog for CBS but neither setting had any affect.

Is there something else I can try?

dundakitty: I live in Greensboro and just went through the exact same experience with TWC. What happened is UNC-TV used to provide TVGOS, but they dropped it statewide recently. In Greensboro the TVGOS signal recently started being delivered over TWC channel 9 (WFMY-CBS).

When I first lost TVGOS, I emailed a trouble ticket to TWC. Of course the first responders didn't know what I was talking about, first wanting me to reset the cable box (after I told them the problem didn't involve a cable box), then saying they weren't responsible for troubleshooting 3rd party equipment. I kept asking them to ESCALATE (key word) to engineering, and finally it got to a TWC tech in Charlotte (Matt) who had a local engineer from TWC Greensboro call me. The local engr knew exactly what was going on, and told me about WFMY picking up the signal in April. I kept trying various resets and I started getting listings again on April 10. Just setting the zip code to 00000 and then back was NOT sufficient in my case because it didn't force my equipment to search for the new host channel. Other posts in AVS have info on various methods of resetting and forcing the host channel. My sister-in-law, also in Greensboro, just unplugged her unit overnight, plugged it back in, then let it sit for a couple of days, and that worked (much to my surprise).

My advice would be to badger TWC until you find someone who can tell you what is going on in the Triangle in terms of who is going to be delivering TVGOS (probably the CBS station) and when. Hope this helps.

Just figured that was it but he didn't know how to spell it :)

So can you answers my question?

BO@zoo

The one he already answered?

Now that the clock problems have stabilized somewhat after the prolonged DST transition, I decided to revisit using the DTVPal Plus in TVGOS mode to convert TVGOS data received from my local digital CBS station into analog form for my Toshiba ASTC/NTSC TV that uses only analog signals for the TVGOS -- and it seems to be working. And it should work after June 12th.

I set up the DTVPal Plus emulating a Scientific Atlanta cable box according to the manual on input one, and my OTA antennas on input two. I used the zip code from the DTVPAL Plus manual for the TVGOS setup on the TV, and the zip code for the local CBS station on the DTVPal Plus. I left the TV set on input one overnight, and the TVGOS system did get downloads overnight from the digital CBS station via the DTVPal Plus. The TV also locked on the input one so that I could not receive anything on input two, probably due the state the TV was left in after the many experiments I had done during the clock problems. I reset the TV by unplugging it and plugging it back in, and input two started working. The next morning the TVGOS had reset itself and asked for the cable provider again. I selected Comcast, as I had better luck with that than "No Match" in earlier experiments. The listings instantly appeared, although the channel lineup was reduced from a thousand to around 700 with the cable channels -- And, I have received TVGOS downloads for the last two nights successfully, with the TV working normally.

I had to do a lot of editing in the channel editor to turn off the cable channels, but I am able to receive HD broadcasts normally from input two using the ATSC tuner.

One key point is that the the TVGOS host channel found by the TV in the Scientific Atlanta scheme is channel 190. The digital ATSC CBS channel would be 191, as the virtual channel number of the CBS station in Washington, DC is 9.1 -- Scientific Atlanta drops the decimal and adds 100 to the virtual channel numbers, so channel 09.1 becomes 191 on the DTVPal Plus. This may be key to getting it to work. Channel 190 may be the basic data stream including the HD subchannel and the SD subchannels as well as the SCTE 127 data carrying the TVGOS information to be converted and inserted into the analog VBI data output by the DTVPAL Plus. Channel 191 may only have the HD subchannel data.

So can you answers my question?

BO@zoo

OK, you joined Jan '09 and those are 1st grade questions. I am not being mean and we all had to go through 1st grade but you apparently have much studying to do. Your post had a smart a__ tone weather it was meant or not.

You apparently need more education then can be given here but I suggest you google "CEA", Consumer Electronics Association and also follow the link given in videobruce SIGNATURE. That will answer your question but you still may not understand.:)

bruce is dave41736, i forgot my log in (genius). I know its a long time ago but I'm getting my feed from WNED dt, was ota but verizon fios is supplying it now. On another TV TWC PBS 89.1 I had working in March for 2 days, tried the force and can't get it back, using zip 14207 also now btw.

bruce is dave41736, i forgot my log in (genius). I know its a long time ago but I'm getting my feed from WNED dt, was ota but verizon fios is supplying it now. On another TV TWC PBS 89.1 I had working in March for 2 days, tried the force and can't get it back, using zip 14207 also now btw.Sorry, but I have no idea what all of that is suppose to mean. :confused:

I received an answer from the chief engineer of our 'Host' station in this market stating Macrovision remotely checked their signal and said all was ok. That doesn't answer why I use to receive a packet count and now I don't.
They must have one heck of an antenna. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by dave41736
bruce is dave41736, i forgot my log in (genius). I know its a long time ago but I'm getting my feed from WNED dt, was ota but verizon fios is supplying it now. On another TV TWC PBS 89.1 I had working in March for 2 days, tried the force and can't get it back, using zip 14207 also now btw.

Sorry, but I have no idea what all of that is suppose to mean.

Bruce I'm in your market, I talked to you back in December about using the Batavia zip code. I have been up and running since. I was getting the host (WNED) over the air. I'm also not getting a packet count running the G test. My host, I have FIOS, says 1:71-0. Clock set channel is WNED though. Not sure why I can't get a packet count, the ATSC slicer page shows stats. If I can help you in any way let me know.

Originally Posted by dave41736
bruce is dave41736, i forgot my log in (genius). I know its a long time ago but I'm getting my feed from WNED dt, was ota but verizon fios is supplying it now. On another TV TWC PBS 89.1 I had working in March for 2 days, tried the force and can't get it back, using zip 14207 also now btw.

Sorry, but I have no idea what all of that is suppose to mean.

Bruce I'm in your market, I talked to you back in December about using the Batavia zip code. I have been up and running since. I was getting the host (WNED) over the air. I'm also not getting a packet count running the G test. My host, I have FIOS, says 1:71-0. Clock set channel is WNED though. Not sure why I can't get a packet count, the ATSC slicer page shows stats. If I can help you in any way let me know.Dave's not here anymore, man. You know those postage stamps that we used to lick in the 60's, you know, the ones that said Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds? Anyway, who's bruce, man? (Am I the only one who's head's spinning trying to figure out this secret code?) I worked for 2 days in March too, but the force wasn't with me either, but now I under stand no kwotes...

Dave's not here anymore, man. You know those postage stamps that we used to lick in the 60's, you know, the ones that said Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds? Anyway, who's bruce, man? I haven't the slightest clue what you are talking about. I didn't subscribe to any of that.

My tvgos is working and has been since December. I thought maybe I could help someone especially in the Buffalo area. Sorry I bothered you guys.

dave41736; You aren't bothering anyone. Check your PM's.

My tvgos is working and has been since December. I thought maybe I could help someone especially in the Buffalo area. Sorry I bothered you guys.You're not bothering anyone. I'm just saying I didn't understand the bruce is dave thing.

I didn't understand the bruce is dave thing.I don't either.

After months of intermittent interruptions, there is nothing at all to pickup down here. No time, no version updates (still at 0.00.00). I figure it's got to do with the switch to a digital signal. :mad:

I have comcast cable and an antenna. If anybody from the miami/ft lauderdale is getting tvgos, let me know.

I've contacted both my local CBS station and Macrovision about this, hopefully they will do something about it.

Does anyone out there have an LG 32LX1D that has successfully received digital OTA TVGOS? I am awaiting a host channel in South Carolina and cannot verify that my LG will even receive the signal. Macrovision is unsure as well since the version is 08.01.29. LG will not return phone calls (which is not a good sign). A response from anyone with this particular model and has experience with the digital TVGOS would be appreciated.

Frances

Does anyone out there have an LG 32LX1D that has successfully received digital OTA TVGOS? I am awaiting a host channel in South Carolina and cannot verify that my LG will even receive the signal. Macrovision is unsure as well since the version is 08.01.29. LG will not return phone calls (which is not a good sign). A response from anyone with this particular model and has experience with the digital TVGOS would be appreciated.

Frances

look in the Greenville, SC forum on AVS.... many people are reporting that TVGOS told them they are working with SCETV across the state to re-establish guide data "within 2 months"

I got fed up and started using Windows Media Center and stream HD from it to the xbox next to the plasma.

Just talked to Samsung tech support, they said forget it, about getting TVGOS digitally on my TV. There TVs don't support it and there is no plans to do anything about it.

Also talked to my local CBS affiliate and they are broadcasting the TVGOS both in analog and digital but I'm getting nothing.

Guess I'll get a DVR or cable box so I can have a TV guide.

Anybody know any other solutions? Can someone explain DTV pal or whatever it's called? :mad::confused::(

............ Anybody know any other solutions? Can someone explain DTV pal or whatever it's called? :mad::confused::(

When I gave up on TVGOS, I spent $60 on a USB tuner for my PC. I use Windows Media Center as my DVR. I stream HD shows to my xbox360 hooked up to my Plasma and love it! So much that I just ordered a Linksys DMA2200 for use on the bedroom TV. The Guide on Media Center works MUCH better than TVGOS; and is accesible right through the xbox.;)

No cable box fee.
No Tivo fee.
No BS from TVGOS outages.

The Media Center solution is pretty simple if you have a decent PC already.

Just talked to Samsung tech support, they said forget it, about getting TVGOS digitally on my TV. There TVs don't support it and there is no plans to do anything about it.

Also talked to my local CBS affiliate and they are broadcasting the TVGOS both in analog and digital but I'm getting nothing.

Guess I'll get a DVR or cable box so I can have a TV guide.

Anybody know any other solutions? Can someone explain DTV pal or whatever it's called? :mad::confused::(

I have Samsung with TVGOS and it works. I worked with Macrovision via email. They had me do some test, send them data and resets. I took some time but I now get the guide form cable CBS.

Gregg

"I now get the guide form cable CBS."

Analog cable??

Can someone explain DTV pal or whatever it's called? :mad::confused::(

The DTVpal is a set-top-box that converts the new Digital over-the-air TV channels (ATSC), into old fashion analog signals.

What makes it unique from all the others, is that it also gathers up the Program Information Material from all the digital over-the-air TV channels, and re-creates the analog TVGOS (VBI) data, and adds that TVGOS data to its analog output signals.

I actually used my two $50 coupons to buy two of the DTVpal boxes. However, as it turned out, I haven't had to use them for my two old, analog only, TVGOS devices. My cable company is doing this for me, and including the TVGOS data on cable analog channel 50 (before the digital cut-over, I use to get TVGOS from the Philly stations PBS-12 and My-17) . I think Gemstar gave my cable company the hardware to do the TVGOS on channel 50 thing.

BTW, my new Sony gets its TVGOS from the digital CBS channel, and I read the next Sony sets will be getting their TVGOS from over the internet.

I have Samsung with TVGOS and it works. I worked with Macrovision via email. They had me do some test, send them data and resets. I took some time but I now get the guide form cable CBS.

Gregg

I too have a Samsung, HL-R5067W, and I'm getting nowhere. Do you know which version of TVGOS that you have? Any tips for the rest of us would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
John

Just talked to Samsung tech support, they said forget it, about getting TVGOS digitally on my TV. There TVs don't support it and there is no plans to do anything about it.They couldn't even implement a 1394 port for a AVHDD device properly. Why would that work?The Media Center solution is pretty simple if you have a decent PC already.That is if you love M$, love running a 100+ watt power hog and dealing with all the 'glitches' of a PC just to record TV programs.I took some time but I now get the guide form cable CBS.How do you know it is from a "digital" host channel, not just analog? You couls still be getting data from their analog feed of that digital OTA channel as is the case in my market.

Add to the list of TVGOS codes;
339-927-439: VBI Disable. Disables analog data.
also;
179-324-865: Disable Analog Tuning. Enables digital data. This was orginally listed as "Enable ATCS" in that TVGOS code list posted last year.

Using these two codes in the above order is suppose to disable any analog host stations and force the system to look for and use a digital host instead. Also, when you power back on your device both of these are suppose to reset as if you never entered those codes in the first place.

I don't believe that is the case since I now can't even get anything off an anlog host. I beleive the codes "stick". Even after doing two full resets.

BTW, those two 'soft' resets (warm & cold), neither seem to do anything. I have never seen any affect with either. Both procedures seem to act the identical way. The only reset that works is the full "System reset": 653-274-147. It dumps almost everything including the two 'patches'.

For those on Comcast in the Portland,OR/Vancouver,WA area, TVGOS data is now transmitted on digital cable channel 80 (which serves up both KOIN 6.1 and KPDX 49.1). The TV guide data is embedded in KOIN 6.1's transport stream, just like OTA 6.1.

Even though analog TVGOS stopped working on DIRECTV around the first week of May, It just began working again -- using the same analog host channel as before (TV Guide channel, Ch. 237) starting yesterday morning. Actually it may have started a day or so earlier, but I had essentially given up so didn't spot it. I've now seen downloads on two days in a row, so I think it's back on the air...

Can anyone confirm that the guide is present and working (with listings) in the Miami/Fort Lauderdale area (over-the-air or via Comcast Cable)?

Can anyone confirm that the guide is present and working (with listings) in the Miami/Fort Lauderdale area (over-the-air or via Comcast Cable)?

Its working great on my Toshiba DLP, connected to comcast with no box, or card.

If anyone reads this, I recently got TVGOS working again on my Samsung HLR-5667. I am in the Philly suburbs, and Comcast here is sending the TVGOS data on analog cable channel 2, KYW(CBS).

OTA is now pretty much useless for this system, since from my understanding it can only get data from analog signals(cable or antenna), and no station that will broadcast the data is still sending out analog OTA(no low power or class A analog signal will be sending out TVGOS data).

But it does still work with analog cable.

Is anyone in the Baltimore area getting OTA TVGuide now that the transition has occurred?

jtm

We lost TVGoS on TWC in Durham during the switch-over from PBS to CBS several months ago. We got it back in May, but have lost it again.

Is anyone receiving it over-the-air in the Raleigh-Durham area?

I have Panasonic EH55, and live just outside of Philadelphia.

I have basic\limited cable (Comcast Cablevision in Willow Grove PA) without a cable box, and plug the cable line directly into my Panny.

I stopped getting TVGOS and time updates right around July 1st (two weeks after the digital transition). I tried resetting (pushing up\down channel buttons for 5 seconds, and then re-entering zip code info etc..), but still doesn't work.

Same here Audubon pa 19403. (Toshiba 50HP95) I called Tech support for toshiba and instead of reading the data for the diagnostic screen like I've done too many times they just had me do the full reset today. I'll follow up with them tomorrow if I most likely do not receive the guide. I'll also shoot Macrovision an e-mail.

Some TVGOS info

Older Toshiba and Sharp and probably Panasonic too, cannot receive TVGOS on digital tuners. They have older firmware that was not upgraded. This came from Toshiba and a CBS engineer with the new TVOGS equipment and claims only newer Sony's can decode the digital data.

If you have basic cable or use an external DTV converter (DTV PAL) on your analog input, you may get TVGOS back since they can convert the digital data to the analog VBI required. But if you have pure OTA and nothing else, you won't get TVGOS, even with ATSC tuners. Confirmed from CBS affiliate, Sharp, and Toshiba.

So what next?
You might want to try this.
Let the FCC know that the manufacturers advertised ATSC tuners but did not disclose the premium features were analog only based. The FCC had some rules on TV marketing for digital and perhaps they were violated.

Heres the link.

http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm?sid=d1e640&id=d1e735

Click on ONLINE FORM and it takes 5 minutes to fill out online. The more that write can only help.

The FCC had some rules on TV marketing for digital and perhaps they were violated.As much as I have little regard for the FCC (along with most big business), you really can't point the finger in that direction. The tuner is working fine. It's a unrelated feature that isn't working. The FCC doesn't have a handle on that.

any news regarding SCETV or ANYONE carrying the TVGOS data in South Carolina?

TVGOS has been down in this state for months.....

...19473....lost it near the end of June...haven't seen it since. I've done several resets as well. Toshiba 46HM95, Comcast, CableCard with a splitter to Ant2.

FWIW, Mits contacted me again and it was determined that the firmware upgrade I received months ago was the wrong version. They are sending me another one to see if that works.
I will post back when I get it installed.

any news regarding SCETV or ANYONE carrying the TVGOS data in South Carolina?

TVGOS has been down in this state for months.....
You probably already know, but TVGOS is working now in South Carolina. It's good to have a lineup and grid again on my LG TVs.

Frances
Sandy Run, S.c.

Charleston area? Link to where and who?

Charleston area? Link to where and who?
The South Carolina PBS stations are carrying the TVGOS data. For some reason even though I am within 15 miles of Columbia, S.C., I pick up the Sumter PBS station (WRJA) better than the Columbia station (WRLK). Using my DTV Pal with my two LG televisions (TVGOS version 08.01.29), I now have WRJA as my host channel. By now, I am assuming the engineers have all the equipment installed at the PBS stations in South Carolina so everyone in the state should have access to TVGOS with the right equipment.

Frances
Sandy Run, S.C.

FWIW, Mits contacted me again and it was determined that the firmware upgrade I received months ago was the wrong version. They are sending me another one to see if that works.
I will post back when I get it installed.
and the results are?

Still receiving TVGOS in South Florida somehow. Samsung said my TV is not capable of recieving TVGOS digitally, so maybe my CBS affiliate is still broacasting TVGOS in analog. Not sure what's going on but I'm happy and keeping my fingers crossed.

and the results are?None. They sent me a USB stick instead of a CF card, I'm still waiting to find out if I can xfer the files to a CF card and then flash the TV. I assume I can, but don't want to take a chance. At least, not yet.
In the mean time, (three+ weeks ago) I have lost everything, even using SCTE127 data off of cable that orginally worked. :mad:

This is post as of July 11th on AVS Forum Greenville from Shaun. We are still waiting for WJWJ-DT in Beaufort, TVGOS guide to come up.

I currently have the TVGOS encoders installed at six of our eleven transmitter sites. Over the next two weeks I hope to finish out the installs. Here is the current status:

Online: WHMC, WJPM, WRET, WNTV, WNEH, WRLK
Pending: WRJA, WNSC, WJWJ, WITV, WEBA

-Shaun
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Shaun Bennett
Engineering, SCETV

This is post as of July 11th on AVS Forum Greenville from Shaun. We are still waiting for WJWJ-DT in Beaufort, TVGOS guide to come up.

I currently have the TVGOS encoders installed at six of our eleven transmitter sites. Over the next two weeks I hope to finish out the installs. Here is the current status:

Online: WHMC, WJPM, WRET, WNTV, WNEH, WRLK
Pending: WRJA, WNSC, WJWJ, WITV, WEBA

-Shaun
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Shaun Bennett
Engineering, SCETV
WRJA Channel 27 in Sumter is carrying TVGOS. It shows up as my host channel on both my LG LCD TVs (through my DTV Pal +). Can't speak for the Beaufort channels but I have had the TVGOS for over two weeks now.

Frances
Sandy Run, S.C.

WRJA Channel 27 in Sumter is carrying TVGOS. It shows up as my host channel on both my LG LCD TVs (through my DTV Pal +). Can't speak for the Beaufort channels but I have had the TVGOS for over two weeks now.

Frances
Sandy Run, S.C.

But you made a statement that SCETV stations are carrying the TVGOS signal. I'm glad you have yours and we are waiting for the rest to come up.

But you made a statement that SCETV stations are carrying the TVGOS signal. I'm glad you have yours and we are waiting for the rest to come up.

WRJA Channel 27 in Sumter IS SCETV.

Frances
Sandy Run, S.C.

I received a letter from Mr. Jeffrey H. Tignor, Acting Chief, Consumer Inquiries and Complaints Division/Consumer & Governmental Affairs Bureau for the FCC, advising me that complaints regarding issues with TVGOS should be reported to the Federal Trade Commission, Consumer Response Center, 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington DC 20580 (877-382-4357). He suggests that they may be able to assist those who are getting nowhere dealing with device manufacturers and Macrovision/Movi, since the FCC has no jurisdiction in the matter.

I just disabled TVGOS on both of my Mitsubishi DLPs. I've spent over 10 months in endless conference calls with CBS, Macrovision, Mitsubishi, and Comcast Cable, and endured tedious diagnostics routines and other tests, and to this day I've yet to receive guide data that did not mysteriously disappear within a few days. And a "new" issue became part of the equation a few months ago: a couple of the local network affiliates have begun transmitting their broadcast signal in a manner that causes some TVs to reset themselves when tuned to the culprit stations....in my case, NBC. Removing these stations from the TV's channel memory provided only a temporary solution; once a glitch in the TVGOS software caused the HOST CHANNEL to be lost, the TVs once again started searching for a new host channel and rebooted the minute they came across the channel transmitting the "unusual" data. This in turn caused the entire TVGOS system to be wiped out, starting a vicious cycle that just looped over and over every single day. I must admit I could not believe what was happening in the beginning, and it was only after eliminating all of the variables and spending time at home monitoring the TVs over several days that I was able to confirm what I've just described. Having 2 identical TVs set up exactly the same way allowed me to have a control unit to test my theory against---one of the TVs actually remained stable long enough to acquire a host channel and download a working guide, and did not reboot itself for a few weeks. However, a couple of days ago I noticed that the TVGOS grid on that set was filling up with "NO LISTINGS" in each cell, and when I checked the diagnostics screens I saw that the host channel field was blank. I knew that eventually the TV would start looking for a new host channel, so I purposely erased the NBC affiliate from the channel memory hoping to avoid a reboot but my efforts were in vain. Ironically, the Mitsubishis go through the reset procedure even if they are off, and I would never have realized there was a problem if it weren't for the fact that after each reboot the AVRs connected to them through NetCommand would remain on. Since the only way I know of to eliminate the random resets is to have a working TV Guide, I decided to forget about TVGOS altogether. It is truly a shame that we can't sue the current owners of TVGOS....we could probably reap enough from the lawsuit to buy each affected AVSForum member a Kuro, which I'm told by the local CBS affiliate is 100% compatible with the TVGOS data stream. ;)

A class action lawsuit with billable hours to each device owner. Four hours a day x7, x the number of weeks one is without TVGOS.
I would say $50 an hour would be appropriate. ;)

Configuration:

Over the Air (OTA) antenna connected to the OTA input.
Comcrap Cable connected to the Cable input.

NO set top box! They get enough money out of me :)

Here in Albuquerque, I was getting the TVGOS via PBS Channel 5.....over the air.

After the conversion the TVGOS quit updating. It turns out that the subject Samsung has version 8.1.42 of the TVGOS firmware and you need versions 8.1.65 or greater in order to extract the TVGOS data from a digital signal and for whatever reason, even though PBS Channel 5 analog is on the cable, it apparently does NOT have the TVGOS data?

Calls to Comcrap were to no avail. They don't have a clue what TVGOS is in this area. Maybe this explains why in today's paper they announced they are laying off 160 support people.

Anyway, long story short, I got this thing working thanks to recommendations here on AVS forum. I ran down to SEARS and picked up a DTVPAL Plus. I didn't have a coupon, but it was on sale for $49.95. Oh, well.

I was already getting my best HD content over the air and really didn't want to mess that up so I split the OTA signal before and then recombined the signal after the DTVPAL so that I could directly tune those OTA channels and NOT use the DTVPAL's remote.

I followed the DTVPAL's instructions for hooking up the G-Link cable.

Now here's where it gets interesting. I decided to use the composite video out and ran that into an unused (AV1) video input on the Sammy. I lied to the Sammy and told it that I had a Scientific Atlanta cable box on AV1 and turned off the tv and waited the usual 24 hours to see if it would updata. NADA! I also used the fake ZIP code of 00048 per the DTVPAL manual.

I discovered that I needed to go into the Sammy's Setup Menu and under "System" setting I needed to set the "PORT" to G-link. I turned off the tv and almost immediately I saw the led blinking on the DTVPAL. Within a few hours I had TV GUIDE ON SCREEN!!!!!!!!!!

Hoooray! I haven't a clue where it found the data. When I use the magic "X" "I" numbers 753159852 my host channel is 2:0-450. My understanding is that 0: is the OTA connector, 1: is the cable connector, and 2 must be the AV1 composite connector?

Anyone have any idea what 0-450 means???

Thanks to your effort and info about using the DTV PAL. I tried to get my Mits 52628 to display TVGOS data from my TR-40 (same as DTV PAL) converter box. After a lot of trial and many errors, I did manage to get the guide to display data. I'm not sure it was worth the effort though, since the data is for display purposes only; you can no longer highlight a channel on the list and tune to that channel when you press ENTER. If I press enter, it tunes to the converter box on INPUT-2. I guess with a little retraining we might get the hang of it.

There are a few more things to try, but it will never be a substitute for a firmware update for the Mits. In the end, it might be just as easy to tune to channel 3 and display the guide from the converter itself. Since my set is such a power hog when it is turned off, we have been turning off the power to the set unless we are using it. Using the guide in the converter means we do not have to leave the set powered many hours a day when it is not being used. The converter will suck up the latest guide data in a few seconds when it is turned on.

My setup in the previous post was not all that satisfactory since I could only tell my Samsung that I was using a cable box on the Cable input. The option to put a box on the OTA connector was not available in the TVGOS setup.

I decided to split the OTA signal before the DTVPAL+ and then recombine the Channel 3 output with the OTA signal and stuff that into the OTA connector. Voila!

I set the DTVPAL+ to the digital station that I knew was carrying the TVGOS signal digitally. That turns out to be KNME Channel 5.1 here in Albuquerque. I then followed the instructions in the DTVPAL's manual for setting it up to pass the TVGOS in an analog manner to the Channel 3 output. I ignored the part about using the G-Link.......it's NOT NEEDED. You just set the DTVPAL to the station transmitting TVGOS data and leave it there!

I have Comcast cable plugged into the Cable input of the tv as well.

I rescanned the OTA and the CABLE input and waited over night.

Tada, I've got TVGOS and I can change channels using the Sammy's remote. There are a whole bunch of crap channels in my list however, and editing them does not seem to work? For whatever reason, the channel lineup is the way I left it back in June which is ok for now?

Since a picture is worth 10,000 words or something like that, I have attached (I couldn't figure out how to insert it here) a jpeg to clarify my connection scheme.

After I wrote the last post, I installed another splitter to deliver the output of the converter to the antenna input, just as you have shown. My hook up is the same except I don't have cable.

If I let the converter be identified as a cable box and had the G-link cable in-place, I continued to receive the guide as I did before. The Guide populated and there were a zillion channels that must be available in the Phoenix area. I'm sure somewhere among them were the OTA channels we receive. I couldn't find any with any detailed program data, although I may not have looked hard enough or waited long enough for the data to arrive.

Then, I reconfigured the GUIDE so it looked for data on the antenna. I set the TR-40 (DTV PAL) to channel 8-1, the local PBS station which I believe carries the data, set the converter to deliver the GUIDE and set the ZIP to my local one, NOT the one in the converter manual, which is 00021 for Phoenix.

Setting it to my local ZIP is probably an error becuase so far I don't have any data. Maybe you can spot something that is incorrect. There are probably a few more variables to flip, but I don't have high hopes for something is really acceptable, given the way we use this TV.

Another option I have fiddled with, is to use my Harmony remote to display the guide from the converter just by selecting an activity on the remote. That works OK, but I have been divided on whether to display the GUIDE in a split screen or just switch to the input that displays it. Now that I have it on Channel 3, just switching to the channel is probably a good option.

ABQGeo, I have been trying to get something similar to work, without luck, but now you give me hope again. I have a Toshiba 42HP95 TV that only accepts analog TVGOS. I have a cablecard, and FIOS cable. I bought the DTVPAL months ago, for the most important purpose of having a way to reestablish the clock signal after some future TV reset, and also (if possible) to get some TVGOS channel listings. (None of which were a problem until the June digital conversion.)

I was able to get the DTVPAL to pick up the digital TVGOS signal from the CBS affilaite, and then send it to the TV, but only when I specified that the DTVPal was on CABLE, and only when I used the IR blaster. Once I do that, however, I can't tell TVGOS that I have the FIOS on Cable as well, since the TV's TVGOS setup only allows one Cable input at a time. What I really want to do is record over my Toshiba Symbio that is integrated with the 42HP95 and TVGOS, even if have to do a manual recording. (Even such a manual recording will only be possible if tell TVGOS that I have the FIOS/Cable input on ANT1.) I tried telling TVGOS that I had the Cable on ANT1, and the DTVPAL on ANT2 but then I never seemed to receive anything from the DTVPAL. Is that how you did it??? I don't fully understand the part where you said: " .... I then followed the instructions in the DTVPAL's manual for setting it up to pass the TVGOS in an analog manner to the Channel 3 output. . The manual says to do this with the remote; is that what you did? Why is the analog passthrough necessary, in this case? Did you use the zip code for your city specified in the DTVPal manual?

Please note: In my case I do not need to record anything from OTA, as the FIOS Cable has far more channels in High Def. So I don't think I need the two splitters for what I am particulary trying to achieve, but please tell me if you think they would help even with my setup. Also, please note, I had tried the same thing you mentioned about pre-tuning the DTVPal (to my local CBS affiliate) which I know now carries the TVGOS digital signal.

Thanks,
Mark

Hi Mark, sorry to take so long getting back here. I wasn't subscribed to this thread.

The reason for an analog pass through is that the firmware version of the TVGOS in my Samsung is Version 8.1.42/8.6.44 and does not decode digital TVGOS data. Hence the DTVPAL+

Yes, using the DTVPAL+ Remote, I first set the DTVPAL to KNME 5.1, the digital station that carries TVGOS in this area.

Then I went to SETUP/SYSTEM SETUP/TV GUIDE & GUIDE+. This activity makes the DTVPAL plus unresponsive to its own remote except for the power button. The DTVPAL expects to receive channel changing commands via the G-Link. By presetting the DTVPAL to the channel I wanted, it stays that way even through this setup process. The DTVPAL will only respond to Scientific Atlanta codes following this setup.

The OTA connector on my Samsung is an ATSC tuner that tunes both analog and digital stations. With my wiring method, scanning the OTA results in a Channel 3 analog (that has the TVGOS data in the VBI) plus all the digital channels. I then use the Samsung's TVGOS to change channels. I never even tune to Channel 3....why would I? The HD signal is on 5.1 and is nicely displayed in the TVGOS with the programming information.

I did not use the special ZIP code 00048. I used a real one 87109. I get a nice grid with TVGOS data for ALL the OTA stations as well as the analog stations and clear QAM that are coming through on the other (Cable) input connector. I don't have a cable card for Comcast's digital tier. Using the Samsung's TVGOS I can select programs from either OTA or CABLE which makes my wife very happy. She never did grasp the idea of TWO different sources of tv signals and switching "antennas"

The only problem I have had is that yesterday the clock was off by about 5 hours? I went into the Samsung's setup and changed the clock from AUTO to Manual and input the time. I suppose this was some sort of problem at KNME 5.1? I'll let it run this way for a day or two and try setting it back to AUTO.

On another note, I tried setting an old Radio Shack 8-device universal remote to a Scientific Atlanta box using codes 0877, 0008, 0477, and 1877. I figured I could change that Channel 3 output
should the TVGOS data move over to CBS like it has in other areas. The LED blinks, but the station doesn't change????

George

hi all... sorry to have not posted recently, and i hope i'm not covering ground that has not already been covered, but i believe i have an answer to how to get this TR-40 ( and derivitives ) to actually work ( in my case )...

i will post this on all TVGOS threads that i'm subscribed to, in hope of conveying to all.

1 - my setup

OTA > TR40 ( using RF channel 3 ouput ) > PANNY DMR-E95 V7 ( analog tuner, analog TVGOS ) > TV....

2 - TR40 programming process

TR40 initialized using regular installation process...

3 - Panny programming process

panny set to Cable NO, Box NO, regular ZIP ( mine is 89052 - las vegas )

4 - sequence of events

shut down panny
wait at least 24 hours ( important... be patient )
panny might get confused... might display ' search for data has failed '
leave the thing alone and let it sit turned off longer
panny clock gets updated when it finds a host channel ( important -
panny has not necessarily figured it all out yet. all it knows is that it
found enough guide data to set its clock... it's still working on stuff )

leave the thing alone some more and wait...
panny then finds its HOST channel AND host identification ( important -
it is NOT just the RF channel, here, but the identification of the
host as well. in my case, it found the host with data on CBS, normally channel 8-1, RF channel 7 ( on the TR40 ), and on RF channel 3 on the
panny.

at this point, the panny has enough to obtain a channel lineup...
wait for the panny to display a lineup grid ( it will indicate NO LISTINGS for everyhing...

here is where the panny gets really confused... in my case, the panny knows where the TVGOS data is coming from... RF channel 3 ( output of TR40 ), AND the CBS affiliate. but in the listing grid lineup, the panny thinks that CBS
( KLAS ) is on its normal channel ( in my case, channel 8 )...

if you leave the panny in this state, you never get a listing update because the panny goes after KLAS, which it thinks is on RF channel 8... after several days, you continue to get no listings due to this, and then finally the panny will give up...

once you have a lineup, it's IMPERATIVE to go into the listing channel lineup and CHANGE the host station to the same channel that the panny uses for its found host channel... in my case, i manually changed KLAS from RF channel 8
to RF channel 3... while i made other changes in the channel editor, i don't
think it's important to make any other changes in the TVGOS channel editor.

the key, here, is that it's not only important to keep the host station turned ON in the channel editor, but to actually assign that station to whatever channel your panny thinks that host station is transmitting on. once the panny has a lineup, it will use whatever channel that lineup says is for the host station. if you have not changed the station in question to the same channel as it originally found TVGOS data on, the panny will get lost and stop working...

so far, i've gone 48 hours, and continue to receive grid updates... i'll report back again to advise if i get a full week's worth of updates...

5 - important notes

1 - success is on my oldest TR40 with F103 firmware. i suspect that it will also work on my newer TR40 ( still F103 ), as well as my DTVPAL+ ( F106 ),
although i have not tested these other boxes all the way through.

2 - these boxes DO have bugs. if the tuner is commanded ( in TVGOS mode )
to go to an unoccupied channel, the boxes will lock up and may not recover without a power down restart. all 3 of my boxes do this. sometimes if i wait long enough, they will once again respond, but i usually just do a power down restart to get them to respond again.

3 - these boxes have some problems with the remote IR receivers. one of my boxes is almost deaf in that i must hold a remote within INCHES of the box for it to respond. another of my boxes is suceptible to spurious IR signals, even from RANDOM light in the room. in my case, this is what causes the box to want to jump out of TVGOS mode. the solution is to COVER the remote
IR detector with BLACK vinyl tape after setup so it becomes DEAF to ambient
light. in this condition, the TR40 will still respond if you hold a remote about 1
inch away from the box.

4 - this setup works properly, if the object of the game is to just get listings
without using the box for anything else. in my case, i just want a week's worth of listings, and i use external stuff for actual reception. in my case, i'm currently mixing the channel 3 TR40 output with the RF distribution output of a dish network SAT receiver ( modulated on channel OTA channel 51 )...

you can do whatever you want as far as the mix is concerned, as long as the TR40 ( on channels 3 or 4 ) is in the clear in the mix, and the panny can receive it without interference from other channels in the mix.

5 - again, the real key to this mess is to update the host station's RF channel
to channel 3 ( or 4 if you are using the TR40 output on channel 4 ) once you get a lineup into the panny's TVGOS system. the panny NEEDS to have what it thinks is its host station synchronized in its channel editor in order for it to get past the lineup and start populating the grid.

sorry for the long post, but i've been going crazy trying to get this thing to work right for over a year now, and it finally came to life...

best regards and good luck....

ron g...

Anyone on the Dallas-Fort Worth area receiving TVGOS? My DTV Pal DVR has ceased downloading the TVGOS info. Only getting up to about 12 hrs of PSIP info on some but not all channels now.

ABQGeo:

I am having big problems, getting my TV to read the DTVPal TVGOS signal unless I tell the TV that the DTVPal is a cable box. But then it doesn't allow me to record any of my true Cable channels since I can only set the TV's TVGOS setup to have one Cable Input at a time. I really need to get the TV to see the DTVPal as just an Antenna signal, rather than a Cable box.

I am still not clear what the "analog pass through" you are talking about, and hope its my missing piece. I know there is an analog passthrough on the remote, but then that doesn't seem to work when the DTVPal is in TVGOS mode. (Please Note: I have a DTVPal, not a DTVPal+). Exactly how are you getting your DTVPal+ into what you are calling analog pass though, while still keeping the DTVPal in TVGOS mode?

Thanks
Mark

the key, here, is that it's not only important to keep the host station turned ON in the channel editor, but to actually assign that station to whatever channel your panny thinks that host station is transmitting on.

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rkg22, that is very good advice. I used to have the same requirement before the Digital Transition switch (when my cable company was then carrying the PBS TVGOS signal on a different analog station number than the PBS station was normally known as.)

Right now, I am trying to get my DTVPAL and TV to work together when the TV considers the DTVPal to be on Antenna rather than on cable. (Even for just the clock signal.) I have some questions for you based on your experience.

1) Are you able to get the DTVPal to output the TVGOS signal, without first configuring your TV to identify it as a cable box? In otherwords, during the TVGOS setup on your TV can you just say its coming from your Antenna input (without cable)?

2) Do you need to use the IR Blaster at all?

Here's my problem--
The reason I need this is that I have FIOS Cable coming in (with a cable card) via my Ant. 1, and my Toshiba TV's TVGOS setup only allows 1 Cable input at a time. So I need to say that the DTVPal is on Ant 2 without cable. All of this is so that I can at least maintain the clock signal and manually record the Cable (using a Toshiba Symbio firewire recorder).
When I do the following experiment: A TV full reset, and set up its TVGOS to go for (Scientific Atlanta 085) Cable via (composite) input Video 1 and that's where I hookup the DTVPal with IR Blaster--> I am able to get a clock signal in a fairly short time (with the TV off of course) and the DTVPal switches to the local CBS host channel. However, if instead I do the TV reset, only set TVGOS to go to Ant 2 and hook up the DTVpal via the RF, with the DTVPal pretuned to that same CBS Channel, and tune the TV to Ant-2 channel 3--> I can't get any Clock signal.


Note the next day: Hurray, I now have this particular problem resolved thanks to the post I found from jtbell at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16947513#post16947513 ! That entire post was very helpful, particulary where it said , "Going further, in order to get TVGOS data from the Pal, you must tune the Pal to the host channel while it is in TVGOS mode, using Scientific Atlanta cable box codes. You do not get TVGOS data when you tune the Pal to the host channel using its own remote, before putting it in TVGOS mode".
Prior to reading that post, I couldn't even get the clock data on my Toshiba's TVGOS Ant-2 RF input from the DTVPAL, even though I had no problem getting clock data when I used the IR Blaster and configured the TV to say that I was receiving the TVGOS from the DTVPal as a Cable Box via composite Video input. I had been blaming the TV all this time. The reason turned out I was doing the pretuning of the DTVPal to the host channel before going to the TVGOS mode. (Even though I had a universal remote set up in advance to the Scientific Atlanta codes for another experiment, I had stopped using it for any of this.) Once I instead did a couple of channel changes on the DTVPal with that remote using the Scientific Atlanta codes (while in TVGOS mode), and then finalized on the CBS host channel, I rather quick got the TVGOS clock data over Ant-2! Note: In the future I may have to periodically use that same universal remote to change the DTVPal's channel to a non host channel and then back to the host channel, per some other information in jtbell's same post. Fortunately avntsf reports in http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17136573#post17136573 that even without that retune procedure his DTVPal "continues to yield TVGOS data on the output for at least a week or two, and perhaps longer (because I haven't monitored it longer than that)" .

rkg22, that is very good advice. I used to have the same requirement before the Digital Transition switch (when my cable company was then carrying the PBS TVGOS signal on a different analog station number than the PBS station was normally known as.)

Right now, I am trying to get my DTVPAL and TV to work together when the TV considers the DTVPal to be on Antenna rather than on cable. (Even for just the clock signal.) I have some questions for you based on your experience.

1) Are you able to get the DTVPal to output the TVGOS signal, without first configuring your TV to identify it as a cable box? In otherwords, during the TVGOS setup on your TV can you just say its coming from your Antenna input (without cable)?

2) Do you need to use the IR Blaster at all?

Here's my problem--
The reason I need this is that I have FIOS Cable coming in (with a cable card) via my Ant. 1, and my Toshiba TV's TVGOS setup only allows 1 Cable input at a time. So I need to say that the DTVPal is on Ant 2 without cable. All of this is so that I can at least maintain the clock signal and manually record the Cable (using a Toshiba Symbio firewire recorder).
When I do the following experiment: A TV full reset, and set up its TVGOS to go for (Scientific Atlanta 085) Cable via (composite) input Video 1 and that's where I hookup the DTVPal with IR Blaster--> I am able to get a clock signal in a fairly short time (with the TV off of course) and the DTVPal switches to the local CBS host channel. However, if instead I do the TV reset, only set TVGOS to go to Ant 2 and hook up the DTVpal via the RF, with the DTVPal pretuned to that same CBS Channel, and tune the TV to Ant-2 channel 3--> I can't get any Clock signal.


Note the next day: Hurray, I now have this particular problem resolved thanks to the post I found from jtbell at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16947513#post16947513 ! That entire post was very helpful, particulary where it said , "Going further, in order to get TVGOS data from the Pal, you must tune the Pal to the host channel while it is in TVGOS mode, using Scientific Atlanta cable box codes. You do not get TVGOS data when you tune the Pal to the host channel using its own remote, before putting it in TVGOS mode".
Prior to reading that post, I couldn't even get the clock data on my Toshiba's TVGOS Ant-2 RF input from the DTVPAL, even though I had no problem getting clock data when I used the IR Blaster and configured the TV to say that I was receiving the TVGOS from the DTVPal as a Cable Box via composite Video input. I had been blaming the TV all this time. The reason turned out I was doing the pretuning of the DTVPal to the host channel before going to the TVGOS mode. (Even though I had a universal remote set up in advance to the Scientific Atlanta codes for another experiment, I had stopped using it for any of this.) Once I instead did a couple of channel changes on the DTVPal with that remote using the Scientific Atlanta codes (while in TVGOS mode), and then finalized on the CBS host channel, I rather quick got the TVGOS clock data over Ant-2! Note: In the future I may have to periodically use that same universal remote to change the DTVPal's channel to a non host channel and then back to the host channel, per some other information in jtbell's same post. Fortunately avntsf reports in http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17136573#post17136573 that even without that retune procedure his DTVPal "continues to yield TVGOS data on the output for at least a week or two, and perhaps longer (because I haven't monitored it longer than that)" .
hi seattlemark...

yes, i'm using the pal RF output on channel 3 fed to my panny E95...
the tvgos in the panny is set up as cable NO, and box NO, so the panny tuner is used...
in this config, no need for the IR blaster, however, as i noted, and as others have noted, the PAL will require periodic maintenance in order to keep it going. my experience is that the PAL worked for about 3 days, and then stopped shipping clock
and tvgos data. i remedied this by using a universal remote ( programmed for scientific atlanta code ) to kick the PAL to another station and then back to the host station...

i'm on my 2nd try with this setup to see if it stops again. if it does, it will be a major nuisance for me, and i may give up based on this fact alone. i use the panny in ' tuner ' mode because i'm also mixing the PAL output with a DISH NTSC output. i use the tuner in the panny to tune to the DISH output in order to record stuff on the panny.

do note again, that once you get to having a lineup, you'll need to go into the panny channel editor and change the channel for the host station to whatever you have set in the PAL box ( channel 3 or 4 ) in order to keep it alive... if you don't do this, the panny will tune to its apparent host station on whatever channel was in the channel editor, which is not likely to be the same as what you have the PAL output set to.

after that, things do work, although if the PAL needs a kick in the side every 3 days, it will be a pain in the rear for me...

rgds,

ron g...

hi seattlemark...

in this config, no need for the IR blaster, however, as i noted, and as others have noted, the PAL will require periodic maintenance in order to keep it going. my experience is that the PAL worked for about 3 days, and then stopped shipping clock
and tvgos data. i remedied this by using a universal remote ( programmed for scientific atlanta code ) to kick the PAL to another station and then back to the host station...

....

do note again, that once you get to having a lineup, you'll need to go into the panny channel editor and change the channel for the host station to whatever you have set in the PAL box ( channel 3 or 4 ) in order to keep it alive... if you don't do this, the panny will tune to its apparent host station on whatever channel was in the channel editor, which is not likely to be the same as what you have the PAL output set to.
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Thanks Ron. I am using both those pieces of advice. This morning I found that things were far better than I had expected after dealing with this for a year. Here is my post from this morning in the other TVGOS thread (at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17140655#post17140655):

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Derek, coincidentally today after working on various configurations for many months, I just did get a (Seattle area) FIOS lineup a couple of hours ago, and I am on cablecard. Using many tips from various great posts on this and other AVS threads, I managed to do this by using a DTVPal on my Ant-2 of my Toshiba 42HP95, tuned to channel 3 right after a full TV-reset. Initially I just said I had the Ant-2 for TVGOS. After getting a clock, I added to that TVGOS setup the cable card on Ant-1 (and used my real zip code not the alternate regional one from the DTVPal manual). After sitting overnight, this morning I had lineups for both OTA and for FIOS for my area. (I was overjoyed after planning this for over a year, since I have a Toshiba Symbio AVHD recorder firewired to the TV.) For the OTA, in the TVGOS lineup, I turned off every Air Channel but the CBS channel, and that I modified in the lineup to say was on Channel 3 (so it doesn't get confused in a couple of days).

Interestingly, yesterday that Macrovision (now Rovi) site you mentioned shows that TVGOS is not carried by FIOS Cable in my area. Which is true, as I picked it up over the antenna with the DTVPal getting it from the local CBS station. So I was very pleasantly surprised when I found the FIOS lineup this morning coming in via the the DTVPal.

Note: I could not use the IR blaster with my configuration, because the TV's TVGOS setup would only support one Cable related input at a time, and I had to reserve that for the real FIOS/cablecard. (My TV will only use the IR Blaster with the DTVPal if I say the DTVPal is a cable box.) The most important thing I learned from the AVS Forums about initially setting up the DTVPal to run in TVGOS mode without the IR Blaster, was to switch it at least once to the Host Channel while it's in TVGOS mode (rather than before going into TVGOS mode). If it already happens to be on that Host Channel before going into TVGOS mode, then switch from and back to that Host Channel while in TVGOS mode (with the Scientific Atlanta codes and a universal remote). Also, many have reported that even afterwards while in TVGOS mode you have to periodically "maintain" it by doing that Host Channel switch from, and back to the Host Channel (some say around every 3 days, while others say maybe ever week or two). I guess the frequency of that required "maintenance" depends on our individual DTVPal's performance.

So after months of no updates, trying a converter to kick the signal down to analog, I split the cable coming in and put it both the cable and antenna tuners in back of the TV. Low and behold it now picks up the signal and I have updates.

Which converter are you using?

Which converter are you using?

No converter, straight cable coming into the house goes into splitter, one goes to CATV tuner in tv, the other goes to Antenna tuner in the tv. Service electric CATV, host channel is CBS from Philly.

So after months of no updates, trying a converter to kick the signal down to analog, I split the cable coming in and put it both the cable and antenna tuners in back of the TV. Low and behold it now picks up the signal and I have updates.

I did the same with Comcast Cable. If I disconnect the Ant split I start losing the guide, even thought I no Ant input programmed?

Gregg

No converter, straight cable coming into the house goes into splitter, one goes to CATV tuner in tv, the other goes to Antenna tuner in the tv. Service electric CATV, host channel is CBS from Philly.

Oh. :eek:

I have Sevice Electric too, and I have continued to have TVGOS working throughout the OTA digital conversion. Analog TVGOS is on analog channel 50, and digital TVGOS is on digital QAM channel 109.

I did the same with Comcast Cable. If I disconnect the Ant split I start losing the guide, even thought I no Ant input programmed?

Gregg

All i can notice is the ant portion of my tv only picks up channels 2-49 from the cable and they are not digital. I also noticed my version of the guide went up to 8.06XXXX. I'm wondering if I hooked my OTA antenna back up if it would start getting the guide via that now.

I'm at a point that I don't want to mess with it since it is now working......

Finally got TVGOS working again on my DTVPal DVR. Had not worked for a couple of months. Did a software update to the DVR yesterday, went through the unit's setup procedure, left it alone overnight, and today I have TVGOS.

Before I waste some money, I thought I'd check with you guru's here to see if my logic is right or I'm off my rocker. :)

I have a Toshiba 62HM94. It has TVGOS. I also have a Toshiba Symbio hard drive recorder. The Symbio works off the TVGOS to allow me to record OTA HDTV - I only have OTA coming in.

The TVGOS only ever worked sporadically, and I gave up on it years ago. When I wanted to record TV, I'd just set up a manual record date/time to record to my Symbio.

Lately, my TV clock has gone screwy. After calling Toshiba, the only way to have the correct time is via TVGOS, and as it's analog TVGOS, the only way to get TVGOS to work again is via a TVGOS compatible converter box, which is either the dtvpal trv-40cr and artec t3apr-t.

So, after a brief look around for an OTA receiver/hard drive recorder that doesn't have a subscription (oops, they don't exist), I'm thinking about getting the Artec t3apr-t converter:
http://www.meritline.com/artec-t3apr-t-tvr-dtv-converter-box-with-tv-guide---p-34159.aspx

I'm guessing I can hook it up to set my TV's date/clock, then go back to life as usual. And if I feel real adventurous, pehaps I could split my OTA cable, and use ANT1 and ANT2 on my TV, one for straight in HDTV and one for analog converted TVGOS population.

So, I see 2 symptoms of my own insanity: spending $60 (oops no govt coupon) to set my TV's clock; and converting digital signal to analog in order to get my digital HD TV to work correctly.

But beyond my own madness, do you think what I'm describing will work? Dropping $60 and it doesn't would really be cause for me to jump out the window. Anyone else using the artec t3apr-t for this?

Thanks :)
dsr

So, after a brief look around for an OTA receiver/hard drive recorder that doesn't have a subscription (oops, they don't exist)...


What about the DTVPal DVR? It uses TVGOS, PSIP or manually set timers.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1099071

What about the DTVPal DVR? It uses TVGOS, PSIP or manually set timers.


Ooooh, thanks for the tip. I think I might be better off saving my $ for that instead of the albatross I'm currently following. I'll read up on it some more....

What about the DTVPal DVR? It uses TVGOS, PSIP or manually set timers.


At least for me, the lack of a digital cable tuner (QAM), crosses that off my list.

Before I waste some money, I thought I'd check with you guru's here to see if my logic is right or I'm off my rocker. :)

I have a Toshiba 62HM94. It has TVGOS. I also have a Toshiba Symbio hard drive recorder. The Symbio works off the TVGOS to allow me to record OTA HDTV - I only have OTA coming in.

The TVGOS only ever worked sporadically, and I gave up on it years ago. When I wanted to record TV, I'd just set up a manual record date/time to record to my Symbio.

Lately, my TV clock has gone screwy. After calling Toshiba, the only way to have the correct time is via TVGOS, and as it's analog TVGOS, the only way to get TVGOS to work again is via a TVGOS compatible converter box, which is either the dtvpal trv-40cr and artec t3apr-t.


I don't own a 62HM94, but I do have a few Toshiba devices from different eras, all with TVGOS. If I do a full TVGOS master reset on any of them, and then not set it back up (don't enter a zip code, etc), I am suddenly provided a way to manually set the clock buried in some obscure TV setup menu.

Have you tried to see if that works for you?

At least for me, the lack of a digital cable tuner (QAM), crosses that off my list. Yes it is OTA only, as dsr15 was asking about an OTA recorder.

I have a Toshiba 62HM94. It has TVGOS. I also have a Toshiba Symbio hard drive recorder. The Symbio works off the TVGOS to allow me to record OTA HDTV - I only have OTA coming in.I thought most gave upon AVHDD's?
I have a similar setup, but my set is a Mits with a RCA 2160 AVHDD. Actually I have two decks and they do indeed work (though with some glitches). I also have CATV along with OTA and my TVGOS does indeed work (last time I checked).

Look around for the "Artec jump start" method.

Do you know if Toshiba issued any firmware upgrade s for that set? Is your TVGOS V& or V8? You might have a chance if you have V8 and no upgarde using that Artec as a 'jump start' then removing the box and let the set follow though.

What market are you in? Check your local reception thread for anyone else that is using TVGOS.

I don't own a 62HM94, but I do have a few Toshiba devices from different eras, all with TVGOS. If I do a full TVGOS master reset on any of them, and then not set it back up (don't enter a zip code, etc), I am suddenly provided a way to manually set the clock buried in some obscure TV setup menu.

Have you tried to see if that works for you?

Walt - you rock! After some digging, went to TVGOS Settings page, typed in secret code 653274147, and tv rebooted 3 times and voila... I was able to reset the date and time.

Things are looking up, but I have one step to go. By resetting TVGOS, it has no channels listed anymore. And without the channel being listed, the Symbio HD recorder can't record... I'll keep fiddling, but this is a great step up!

Do you know if Toshiba issued any firmware upgrade s for that set? Is your TVGOS V& or V8? You might have a chance if you have V8 and no upgarde using that Artec as a 'jump start' then removing the box and let the set follow though.

Thanks for the ideas. I did upgrade to latest firmware. The TVGOS is analog-only, which is some derivative of version 7 iirc? I just got my clock to reset, so if I get my channels to come back up, hopefully I won't need the Artec. tx!

Have you checked the version number by going into the diag. screen? Just getting the clock set is only a first step. I wouldn't count on anything more than that without some help.
What you need to see is the grid (at first, with no listings). That's the troublesome step.

Have you checked the version number by going into the diag. screen? Just getting the clock set is only a first step. I wouldn't count on anything more than that without some help.
What you need to see is the grid (at first, with no listings). That's the troublesome step.

The second line of the diag screen (using TVGOS code 753159852) is 08.01.27.

So having done the master reset earlier - I got my clock back but lost my channels. Unfortunately I need both to be there for my HD recorder to work with manual time recordings.

You have no 'grid', or just don't have listings? You should be able to do a manual recording, can't you??

its been gone since mid june....Philly burbs...Comcast. I've called Toshiba every 2 weeks, contacted Comcast several times and have emailed Rovi as well. The Rovi website has stated that the guide "is known to be working in your area" since day one...now when I go to the website, it says "digital and analog is available" Matbe they're fianally getting thier act together???

You have no 'grid', or just don't have listings? You should be able to do a manual recording, can't you??

No grid. No manual recordings. I basically went from:

clock OK, channels show in TVGOS, empty grid = was able to set TVGOS based manual recordings

-- unplugged TV during a vacation

bad clock, channels show in TVGOS, but empty grid = can't set TVGOS based manual recordings, no way to manually reset clock

Did TVGOS reset code, which allowed me to reset the TV clock through TV setup menu, but after the reset no channels show up in TVGOS anymore: no grid. Also, TVGOS doesn't seem to respect the TV-set clock setting, it shows no clock in diag screens and no host channel in diag screens.

No grid. No manual recordings. I basically went from:

clock OK, channels show in TVGOS, empty grid = was able to set TVGOS based manual recordings

-- unplugged TV during a vacation

bad clock, channels show in TVGOS, but empty grid = can't set TVGOS based manual recordings, no way to manually reset clock

Did TVGOS reset code, which allowed me to reset the TV clock through TV setup menu, but after the reset no channels show up in TVGOS anymore: no grid. Also, TVGOS doesn't seem to respect the TV-set clock setting, it shows no clock in diag screens and no host channel in diag screens.
If your system is anything like mine, setting the clock manually also disables TVGOS. On mine, I have to go into setup and go back through the set up to have TVGOS do its thing while not setting the clock manually.

Hi,
I'm new and had just posted a note over in the Tucson HDTV reception forum, but maybe I should post this here as well (?)..

I lost the TVGOS tv guide in June and have been unable to receive it since then. The grid is empty. This is bad because my Toshiba Symbio DVR works off the TVGOS guide.

My setup:
Toshiba HD DLP television, model: 46HM94
Toshiba Symbio HD DVR
Antenna (OTA) reception.

I've tried several things over the past couple of months. Searching the internet I found the TVGOS setup code list and have fiddled with several of the settings but nothing seems to help.

Diagnostics says I'm using vers.08.01.27
Is there a way to "enable VBI" or is it set at the factory? (this option isn't on the TVGOS setup code list, hence the question)

Does anybody know which station in Tucson is broadcasting the TVGOS signal? I've tried 4.1, 6.1, 9.3, 13.1, 13.2, 18.1, 27.1.


Time/Date have been set manually (I got tired of no date/time, so finally set it last week). In the owner's manual, it says the Online TV Guide will override the manual settings (perhaps I shouldn't believe them? ;)):

Note:
• If you highlight TV GUIDE ON SCREEN to set the time and date through the TV Guide On Screen system and a power outage occurs, the time and date will be updated automatically when the power is restored.
• If you highlight MANUAL to set the time and date manually and a power outage occurs, you will lose the time and date settings when the power is restored.
• If you manually set the time and date and then perform TV Guide On Screen setup, the manual time and date settings will be overridden by the TV Guide On Screen settings.

I'd just like to get the TVGOS tv guide back. If someone can please help, I'd be eternally grateful. :)

Thanks!

There is a procedure using a Artec CECB as a 'jump start' to get the grid up. The box is only inserted temporary in line between your antenna and/or CATV feed. Once the 'grid' is present, the box gets removed. I don't know if it will work with your TV, but if it doesn't, the box can be left in line 24/7 and wiull provide an analog version of the TVGOS data stream.

Diagnostics says I'm using vers.08.01.27
Is there a way to "enable VBI" or is it set at the factory? (this option isn't on the TVGOS setup code list, hence the question)

Does anybody know which station in Tucson is broadcasting the TVGOS signal? I've tried 4.1, 6.1, 9.3, 13.1, 13.2, 18.1, 27.1.



I am not sure about your set, but on my older Toshiba 27HL95 set, TVGOS will only work off an analog channel, even though the set itself also has OTA ATSC and Cable QAM tuners.

Though, if you can indeed receive TVGOS data from your ATSC tuner, it should be your local CBS DT station. If not, then you will need to get a DTVpal.

Charter changed their channel lineup 9/29/09 and the TVGOS lineup has not been updated. They added many new HD channels. Here are the ones that I have noticed are missing.

235 C Span 3
238 Azteca
241 Disney XD
242 AYM Sports
424 HRTV
760 HGTV HD
761 Food Network HD
810 USA HD
811 SYFY HD
812 FX HD
813 AMC HD
824 Natl Geo HD
825 Science CH HD
829 MLB HD
830 Speed Channel HD
834 Golf Ch HD
835 Versus HD
840 CNN HD
844 Fox News HD
849 Bravo HD
857 Cartoon Net HD

It would be great to have them added to the guide. I am hoping TVGOS monitors this thread.

Charter changed their channel lineup 9/29/09 and the TVGOS lineup has not been updated. They added many new HD channels. Here are the ones that I have noticed are missing.

...

It would be great to have them added to the guide.

It has been my experience that TVGOS lags by a few months in updating a lineup. Plus. sometimes the updated lineup shows up automatically, and sometimes you need to reset TVGOS, re-select your cable system, and then you will get the updated/new lineup.

In the mean time, you could, of course, simply edit your lineup manually, adding and changing channels as needed. It is not all that difficult. I have to do it all the time because I use the QAM turner and its channel numbering, instead of a cable-box and its channel numbers used by TVGOS.

I am hoping TVGOS monitors this thread.

I'm hoping to win the PowerBall lottery, 12 times in a row. I think my odds are better. :D

I am a good channel editor by now but without the correct program guide info for the channels in the list to start with, you can't reassign the channel number or position in the linup. Thanks for the thought though.

I am a good channel editor by now but without the correct program guide info for the channels in the list to start with, you can't reassign the channel number or position in the linup. Thanks for the thought though.

There should be correct program guide info all most, if not all, the channels you listed.

I know for sure that HGTV HD and USA HD exist, because I found them myself unassigned when editing (lots of scrolling to finally reach them), and had no problems assigned them channel numbers and moving them (way) up in position. I think you just need to give it a try.

I will look again. Thanks for the suggestion.

its been gone since mid june....Philly burbs...Comcast. I've called Toshiba every 2 weeks, contacted Comcast several times and have emailed Rovi as well. The Rovi website has stated that the guide "is known to be working in your area" since day one...now when I go to the website, it says "digital and analog is available" Matbe they're fianally getting thier act together???
Lost it again...on or about the 24th. It worked great for 2 wks

Lost it again...on or about the 24th. It worked great for 2 wks

Do you know what channel your TVGOS equipment is attempting to use?

For the most part, my TVGOS equipment is using cable analog channel 50, which happens to be the TVG channel. I think this is due to TVGOS supplying equipment to my cable company to continue to support analog TVGOS after the DTV conversion.

Anyway, there occasionally seems to be a bit of competition. CBS-3 (KYW), which supports digital TVGOS, also broadcasts digital VBI data which includes, amongst other things like analog CC, analog TVGOS. I think this digital VBI data gets converted by my cable company's general conversation to analog stations, into analog VBI which (accidentally?) includes analog TVGOS. In other words, the analog conversion intends to generate analog CC, but also unintentionally generates analog TVGOS too, out of the digital VBI data.

Unfortunately, this conversion of the digital VBI into analog TVGOS appears to be a bit flaky. It works sometimes. Doesn't work at all other times. But mostly works but with a lot of bursts of corrupted TVGOS data.

My problem of late, is that my Toshiba DVR will attempt to use analog channel 3, instead of analog channel 50. This is even if analog channel 3 isn't proving to be a good solid source of TVGOS data (corrupted data is still data). And I can't find anyway of forcing my DVR to ignore channel 3 and use rock-solid channel 50.

Does this match to what you are seeing?

I lost mine too about the same time. Seems like the host id is gone. Im holding out that it will just come back before I start changing anything yet....

mine seems to have started up again. Of course, I went ahead and did a reset over the weekend so now I get to edit my channels again...yee Ha! Good move on holding out Is067...I wish I had such willpower.

Yeah, mine started back up on its own again too. I think it was on Sunday night that the downloads started again.

America is a large country. if you people would at least give your general area it would help the rest of us to know wether to check or even try to get it working. :)

All channels have TV guide data, KOCO and KOKH are limited to PSIP only.

Comcast in my area has told me that TVGOS will be provided on Channel 11 (CBS). I've done hard resets on both my Panny's (EH55 and 75) and told them to set the clocks automatically, after which I've turned off the units. However, in order to speed things along (I'm expecting a call from Comcast tomorrow morning), how can I tell the units to focus on Channel 11. I've found threads on how to find the host channel, but nothing on how to set it to a particular value. Is there a way to do this? The quicker I know the better. Thanks!

PatH