opening scene for next season is of the other Others (Richard and crew) before the Purge and meeting Ben.

Helgus Antonius was the name of the hospital/research ship launched by Dharma in the Lost Experience in 2006. If time is moving slower on the island then it would be feasible that it could arrive there now. It would also explain why they have a sat phone that's leagues ahead of the regular kit. It was also speculated that it may have had a helicopter pad.

If it is that ship, then this is the first official crossover into the Experience.

Photos here:
http://www.thecoconutinternet.com/showpost.php?p=12695&postcount=19

opening scene for next season is of the other Others (Richard and crew) before the Purge and meeting Ben.

How do you know this?

In case anybody hasn't seen it yet, here is a link to the new orientation film for station 6, The Orchid (http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2007/07/lost-orientation-film-station-six.html). It looks like to should provide some good discussion for a little while at least.

Michael (http://tv.ign.com/articles/807/807901p1.html) will be returning to Lost a regular cast member next season.

I think the new orientation theme certainly lends itself to possible time travel/worm hole theories.

neither one of those were spoilers...

then again people here are a lil crazier than most.

Michael (http://tv.ign.com/articles/807/807901p1.html) will be returning to Lost a regular cast member next season.

In many ways, I wish they had not announced this. One of my favorite aspects of this show is the constant twists and turns it offers, and knowing Michael is coming back will have me looking for it in every episode until it happens. If they had not announced this, and he returned, I could only imagine the explosion of posts that would take place in the main Lost thread on here soon afterwards.

In many ways, I wish they had not announced this. One of my favorite aspects of this show is the constant twists and turns it offers, and knowing Michael is coming back will have me looking for it in every episode until it happens. If they had not announced this, and he returned, I could only imagine the explosion of posts that would take place in the main Lost thread on here soon afterwards.

The producers have dropped several hints over the past year that Michael would return at some point. So, this isn't really news to the fans.

The producers have dropped several hints over the past year that Michael would return at some point. So, this isn't really news to the fans.

How could they have known that he would have been able to come back to the show, since he was cast in the pilot episode of CBS's "Demons" a while back? If that show had been picked up for the fall season, there's no way he would have been able to return to Lost.

How could they have known that he would have been able to come back to the show, since he was cast in the pilot episode of CBS's "Demons" a while back? If that show had been picked up for the fall season, there's no way he would have been able to return to Lost.

They have a plan for the Michael character that called for his return. If he had been unable to return due to other commitments, then that plotline would obviously have to be changed or abandoned. They're pros; they know how to to do that sort of thing.

By Matt Roush: TVGuide Senior Critic Friday, August 10, 2007

Question: There are two things I love about television: Lost and surprises that really take your breath away. So can you please explain why in the world ABC would reveal during the TCA press tour that Harold Perrineau would be returning to the show next season? Where is the element of surprise if you let the audience know the surprise before it actually happens? Had Michael appeared on Lost next season with absolutely no advance warning, it would've been one of the biggest surprises on television. So thanks, ABC, for ruining what was sure to be a shocker of a season.— Craig W.

Matt Roush: Don't blame it all on ABC — we critics forced their hand last month. Blame the spoiler culture as well, fed by fanfests like Comic-Con, or even the Lost producers for using that forum instead of the critics' press tour to discuss and leak details about where the show was going next season. If you read the coverage of the ABC portion of the press tour, you'll only scratch the surface of the feeling of resentment among the critics in that room, many of whom had rallied around Lost in the second half of the season but still felt they were being snubbed in favor of Comic-Con. The questions to ABC Entertainment prez Steve McPherson got so heated that his PR staff eventually stepped up and got the OK from Lost's Damon Lindelof to break the news a day early about Michael returning to the show. Honestly, I wasn't expecting or even hoping for a plot spoiler like that. I was hoping more for a discussion about the creative direction of the show in the wake of the flash-forward surprise of the season finale. No specifics, just a state-of-the-moment assessment of how the show is primed to tell its stories for the final two seasons. Instead, we were tossed a bone with this casting announcement, which apparently had been planned to break the following day at Lost's Comic-Con session. So whether it was ABC or the Lost producers themselves who broke the story, this nugget of spoiler news was going to get out. That's the way the entertainment business works nowadays, for better or worse. It's increasingly difficult to watch a show anymore without having many of the best twists ruined in advance — unless you go out of your way to avoid the coverage, and then the coverage of the coverage, and so on. I do my best to stay away from material like this, but when it's put out in front of the entire mass of people who cover TV, you can't exactly ignore it.

how about some REAL spoilers people. like Libby being wife to Alvar Hanso which is why she had a boat to give Des.

NEW CAST ADDITIONS (courtesy of Entertainment Weekly):

1) Jeremy Davies
2) Ken Leung (Sopranos - Uncle Junior's "buddy" in the facility)
3) Rebecca Mader
4) Lance Reddick (Major Daniels from The Wire....YEAH!)
5) Jeff Fahey (Lawnmower Man)

Some good actors in that list, Lance Reddick is outstanding.

do y'all even understand what SPOILERS are...

Cast would only be a spoiler if ya new what they were going to be used as, like Naomi last season.

do y'all even understand what SPOILERS are...

Cast would only be a spoiler if ya new what they were going to be used as, like Naomi last season.

No. The casting information came from EW - not the show or a preview. Therefore, it is considered a spoiler and would be deleted if posted/discussed in the NO Spoilers Lost thread.

No.

at least ya know it :eek:

at least ya know it :eek:

I better - it's taken years and thousands of posts to define and then continually enforce the agreed upon criteria for what constitutes a spoiler.

And then an equal number of posts to address those that continually want to tweak that definition. ;)

MORE LIBBY!!! (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Exclusive-Lost-Resurrects/800022625)

OK, so technically, the ABC hit isn't bringing Cynthia Watros' short-lived character back from the dead. But Lost executive producer Carlton Cuse confirms to me exclusively that the actress will be playing Hurley's dearly departed sweetheart again this season for multiple episodes, presumably in more flashbacks.

"She'll be in enough of the show for us to fill in the missing pieces of her story," says Cuse. "We could not be more pleased. Cynthia is a smart and engaging actor, and [executive producer] Damon [Lindelof] and I have some very cool parts of her story left to tell."

It's by pure chance that Emmy winner Watros was even available for the return engagement: Her fall pilot, The Rich Inner Life of Penelope Cloud, wasn't picked up, which left a spot open on her dance card.

Well I guess I was wrong about finding out more of here back story and all.:)

Well I guess I was wrong about finding out more of here back story and all.:)
I'm not going to say I told you so, but.... :p

Thanks for the proof in the pudding, lacombo, and its great to have it confirmed. As far as I'm concerned, other than Eko, Libby was the only Tailie who was even remotely interesting. ;)

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Oooh, surprise official podcast came out yesterday.

My .02 worth on the SD vs HD Lost. Some shows are more rewarding to see in HD than others; let's face it, your average courtroom drama looks nice in HD, but it's not that big a deal. Lost on the otherhand is shot on a beautiful tropical island. Lost in HD is literally a Hi-Def showcase! The only thing on par with it are the Discovery Channel specials. Lost would probably be the *first* thing I'd buy on Blu-Ray.
Yes, that is exactly my attitude as well. HD disk is to the largest extent overkill on most pedestrian fare which can be easily satisfied through upconversion.

Alternatively, great cinematography, scenic location and special/visual effects, fall in the province of HD.

That being said, as far as general broadcast viewing goes, HD is my general default mode.

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Palladin

Chance favors the prepared mind

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/lost/lost-producer-confirms-blu-ray-9854.aspx

They're making a fresh transfer at 1080P as opposed to upconverting 720P (original format of Lost). So, 1080p with that greatly increased bitrate equals the best looking version of Lost that you'll ever see. I've been sitting on the fence regarding Blu-Ray/HD-DVD, but when Lost comes out, the fence sitting is done!

Oooh, surprise official podcast came out yesterday.

worth the listen?

worth the listen?

yes it is...

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcast

yes it is...

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcastI'll have to second that! Although archiguy might not like it so much... ;)


ron

I'll have to second that! Although archiguy might not like it so much... ;) ron
Okay, I don't tend to listen to the podcasts, so I don't know what standard they should be held to, but on a scale from 1-10, I'd probably give it a 6.

As for their discussion regarding parallel futures and the like, I'd agree that some of Arch's theory may be jepordized, but let's remember that these same 2 guys have already laid open a huge escape hatch for themselves a couple of months back, when they stated that some of the island's mysteries will never be explained. Essentially that gives them carte blanche to potentially create the absolutely impossible, and then ignore it. I mean that kind of power could probably get someone a gig in the Heroes "Origins" series. :rolleyes: :D

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Palladin

Chance favors the prepared mind

who changed this thread? Or was it simply split from the other main thread? I don't usually read or reply to spoiler threads...

No one changed this thread. It's been around a long time. It is separate from the main thread(s).

who changed this thread? Or was it simply split from the other main thread? I don't usually read or reply to spoiler threads...CP (or one of the other mods) trimmed the posts starting with yours about the podcast from the original thread and stuck them over here. I don't usually look at the Spoilers thread either and I don't personally think of the podcast info as anything that will ruin my viewing experience. But I can see how the more particular, avoid-anything-not-in-the-show people would though...


ron

Yeah - I split it off. Was going to leave the podcast notification, but once discussion started of the content of the podcast, I just went back to the point the convo started.

Yeah - I split it off. Was going to leave the podcast notification, but once discussion started of the content of the podcast, I just went back to the point the convo started.
Understandable, and I guess this is my mea culpa. :( Lax only indicated it was worthwhile, R11 made vague reference to Archiguy's theories, and I thought I was taking it just a short step further by just mentioning the general subject topic without the discussion for those who might be interested, was vague enough. But I guess I can see how this can be interpreted as potentially falling into the arena of a spoiler.

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Chance favors the prepared mind

It's always gradual short steps - we tried to get official podcasts and producer comments, website, etc. included as non-spoilers...but it caused a revolt and in hindsight would be too dificult to manage with different definitions for each show.

when they stated that some of the island's mysteries will never be explained. Essentially that gives them carte blanche to potentially create the absolutely impossible, and then ignore it.

That's what I hated about X-files..:(

Should the thread be called
LOST on ABC in HD - WARNING: SPOILERS !!!

testing spoiler tag
they are in purgatory

Should the thread be called
LOST on ABC in HD - WARNING: SPOILERS !!!

testing spoiler tag
they are in purgatory

This thread is supposed to be about spoilers, not speculation. The Producers have unconditionally renounced that theory. Or, if you were just testing, never mind. ;)

An article from the TV reviewer in the local paper:

http://blog.oregonlive.com/peteramescarlin/2008/01/tv_review_lost_just_in_time_el.html

Not much I would consider spoilerish but some probably would... Eight ep is going to go by pretty fast but I have to admit, I'm starting to feel a little like a kid on Christmas eve :D


ron

There are no spoilers for this season in the mobisodes. They're just little scenes that get inserted here and there over the last 3 seasons that flesh things out a bit more. This 13th one, "So It Begins", is really cool and features Christian Shepard in a wonderfully creepy scene, but doesn't spoil anything. Nobody should be afraid to watch it; in fact, out of all the mobisodes, that's the only one I would unflinchingly recommend everybody watch who's obsessed with the show.


This is minor, but I think showing something that happens directly before the great opening scene of the first episode just undermines it's impact. Instead of just going in to the episode with a blank slate you know something else just happened.

If that's another smoke monster form it changes our perspective of how it functions:


It's sentient. Able to move and think independently of who it's connected to.

If a dog can see Jacks' dad, it's not reliant on the target for it to function or be seen. This means that anyone can see who it appears as and it's not just linked to the mind of the target. Which means whenever someone says "did you see that guy?" there is no reason they can't see it now and that sucks the mystery out of whenever it appears.

It knows the future. If it knows jack has work to do then it knows Jack is essential to some great plan and it knows it has a responsibility to set that plan in motion - "go wake him up." . That gives Jack a free pass. He'll never be in danger from smokey and anything he plans to do will not be threat. So as long as others are working on jack's plan at that time they'll never be in danger from smokey either. It also means that Jack's intentions are the correct and necessary ones for events to play out and have been predicted to occur.

Any of the spooky sights of Jack's dad in the first season are now explained. He's not a ghost, spirit guide or figment of Jack's mind. He's just smokey wandering around giving tips to Jack.



If it's not smokey that makes Jack's dad special because he has after death abilities. That colors our view of when we see him now because we know he's not just another person who got caught up in this. Is Jack's dead dad God now for example? Why would he appear in that form to Vincent? The dog doesn't have clue who he is.

If it's Jacob in another form then we know Jacob was free at one point to do what he wanted to and he's only been trapped there very recently.

For anyone watching the show Jack's dad is just Jack's dad. But the moment you watch that mobisode it make's Jack's dad a significantly different character. Either as a human or as an island being. You can't look at Jack's dad now without your opinion of him being changed so any future storylines that attempt to show Christian's "ghost" don't work. We know he's either a sentient and autonomous smokey or something very different from every other apparition we see.

edit: plus Christian's ghost talks! I don't think that ever happens in the show so that removes some mystery from it as well. In the show he's silent and spooky character that just floats around. Now he talks to dogs and is quite a nice and nonthreatening being.

I proposed on the main thread that if anyone wants to discuss the mobisodes, the "Find 815" ARG game, or other "official" materials put out there by ABC they could do it here.

Here are my thoughts on that last mobisode, #13, "So it Begins"... We see Christian as corporeal, solid, able to get Vincent to come to him and touch him, even communicate with him, if we're to believe Vincent then trotted off and found Jack because Christian asked him to. That syncs up with other physical mirages we've seen, especially Eko's brother, who was even able to set fire to Eko's hut. And Christian says the same thing to Vincent that Walt says to Locke: "You've got work to do". Maybe right after the crash, an unconscious Jack was scanned by Smoky, and was "selected" to be the leader, the one to protect the Island. When it became clear that Jack might, perhaps unwittingly, endanger the Island, Smoky then reviewed the others he had scanned and decided Locke was the guy who "had work to do" to protect the Island. Locke has already demonstrated to Smoky that he was a Man of Faith. That's apparently what's needed for the upcoming struggle.

We know that Smoky is "real" and able to interact with people, in sometimes dangerous ways. We've seen it somehow capture images from people's minds. I believe it then uses those thoughts, those images, to reshape itself to a form that person would recognize. It then tests them, and pronounces judgment based on criteria that's not yet clear. What's equally not clear yet is whether Smoky has any connection to Jacob. Perhaps it's a manifestation of Jacob's subconscious. Perhaps it's how Jacob finds connection with the real world. But the combination of these recent revelations of Walt and Christian now have me convinced it has a clear purpose. Just not sure what that is yet...

so what did Smoky do with his body??? at least Walt is supposedly off the island and Ecko's bro was dead as well..

It was also nice to see the boat from the ARG in the show.

best info I've seen so far that I cant wait to see is Ep8 with Michael. Having an ep where he meats Tom, Mr Friendly, def makes him the likely man on the boat.

so what did Smoky do with his body??? at least Walt is supposedly off the island and Ecko's bro was dead as well..


We don't know what happened to Christian's body. Yet. Patience, grasshopper. ;)

Has anyone else heard of the "ho ho ho" theory of where the Losties are? Referring to the 1/31 episode...

I proposed on the main thread that if anyone wants to discuss the mobisodes, the "Find 815" ARG game, or other "official" materials put out there by ABC they could do it here.

Here are my thoughts on that last mobisode, #13, "So it Begins"... We see Christian as corporeal, solid, able to get Vincent to come to him and touch him, even communicate with him, if we're to believe Vincent then trotted off and found Jack because Christian asked him to. That syncs up with other physical mirages we've seen, especially Eko's brother, who was even able to set fire to Eko's hut. And Christian says the same thing to Vincent that Walt says to Locke: "You've got work to do". Maybe right after the crash, an unconscious Jack was scanned by Smoky, and was "selected" to be the leader, the one to protect the Island. When it became clear that Jack might, perhaps unwittingly, endanger the Island, Smoky then reviewed the others he had scanned and decided Locke was the guy who "had work to do" to protect the Island. Locke has already demonstrated to Smoky that he was a Man of Faith. That's apparently what's needed for the upcoming struggle.

We know that Smoky is "real" and able to interact with people, in sometimes dangerous ways. We've seen it somehow capture images from people's minds. I believe it then uses those thoughts, those images, to reshape itself to a form that person would recognize. It then tests them, and pronounces judgment based on criteria that's not yet clear. What's equally not clear yet is whether Smoky has any connection to Jacob. Perhaps it's a manifestation of Jacob's subconscious. Perhaps it's how Jacob finds connection with the real world. But the combination of these recent revelations of Walt and Christian now have me convinced it has a clear purpose. Just not sure what that is yet...

CC said in one of the podcasts that smoky tried to drag Locke down the hole because Locke had lost his faith. Smoky does appear to be scanning the individual before he either lets them go or kills them.

So why did it kill the pilot?

CC said in one of the podcasts that smokey tried to drag Locke down the hole because Locke had lost his faith. Smokey does appear to be scanning the individual before he either lets them go and kills them.

So why did it kill the pilot?

I can't think of a good reason. My not-so-good reason is the pilot was in the Pilot. Could be that the concept of Smoky changed from what they initially envisioned it as, a monster, into something more complex as the show's mythology evolved. Now it apparently has to have a good reason to kill you. Or maybe it just didn't appreciate the subtleties of Greg Grunberg's work on 'Alias'. ;)

I can't think of a good reason. My not-so-good reason is the pilot was in the Pilot. Could be that the concept of Smoky changed from what they initially envisioned it as, a monster, into something more complex as the show's mythology evolved. Now it apparently has to have a good reason to kill you. Or maybe it just didn't appreciate the subtleties of Greg Grunberg's work on 'Alias'. ;)

Good point. Danielle originally called Smoky a "security system". If that is the case and it's some kind of machine or device then it is being controlled or manipulated by someone, maybe Jacob?

We don't know what happened to Christian's body. Yet. Patience, grasshopper. ;)

that one def won't be answered but just thought I'd throw it out there for the spoiler crew.;)

As we are wondering who R. G. is, Goodwin makes a return appearance in EP 6. Don't know if it's a flashback or flashforward.

I don't believe Goodwin's first name has ever been revealed.

As we are wondering who R. G. is, Goodwin makes a return appearance in EP 6. Don't know if it's a flashback or flashforward.

I don't believe Goodwin's first name has ever been revealed.

His last name isn't listed on IMDB.

I love the "missing pieces" episode with Ben and Jack playing chess. Ben had some good lines about leaving the island and wanting to return one day

Matthew Fox was on a talk show today. Said he thinks they are filming 5 more episodes starting this Spring. Would that give them time to add them to this season? Also said he hopes most of the "crew" (his word) would be back but some may have other commitments. Don't know if he was talking about the filming crew or about other cast members.

The producers have been talking about the Dharma Orientation film 6, the Orchid. It was shown last year at the San Diego Comic con and now is on youtube.

Cool stuff!!!

Maybe now the statements made by Charlie of how he's dead but also alive; and Jack in the flash forward saying that his father was upstairs in the hospital are starting to make sense. Maybe somebody can explain the rabbits to me. Here's a link to the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gERdALb5vQ&feature=related

Here is another link to a vid by the lostgirl speculating on the clues in the video. My only problem with this is that the lostgirl isn't in her bikini when she made this. Oh well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm1JlOGVqjs&feature=related

Just a note that if you see someone mentioning "wormhole" in the no spoilers thread they are reading spoilers and hijacking it as their own theory and that just ain't cool. It ought to be immediately deleted.

Just a note that if you see someone mentioning "wormhole" in the no spoilers thread they are reading spoilers and hijacking it as their own theory and that just ain't cool. It ought to be immediately deleted.

Hold on a minute; just because someone mentions the word "wormhole", it doesn't mean they're "hijacking" a theory or that it's a spoiler to begin with. Wormholes and parallel universes (aka alternate timelines) and all kinds of quantum stuff have been a popular subject for speculation, not just here on AVS but all over the web, I should imagine. I know I've been talking about that sort of stuff in the main thread since the pod of episodes last spring.

I'm not sure what the LOST writing team have in store for us, but it's a safe bet that someone, somewhere, has figured it out all on their own, or soon will. Laws of probability and all that.

Hold on a minute; just because someone mentions the word "wormhole", it doesn't mean they're "hijacking" a theory or that it's a spoiler to begin with. Wormholes and parallel universes (aka alternate timelines) and all kinds of quantum stuff have been a popular subject for speculation, not just here on AVS but all over the web, I should imagine. I know I've been talking about that sort of stuff in the main thread since the pod of episodes last spring.

I'm not sure what the LOST writing team have in store for us, but it's a safe bet that someone, somewhere, has figured it out all on their own, or soon will. Laws of probability and all that.

Already stepped on some toes I see. :) J/K

I'll give you the alternate timelines and parallel universes, but not "wormholes"
Too much of a coincidence and two different things in my mind.

If you have been listening to the Darlton podcasts or reading their interviews in EW and elsewhere you know that they have been saying that fans should be paying strict attention to the third season ep "Flashes before your eyes" and the Dharma Orientation film 6, the Orchid. It seems like the clues are adding up to the island being a wormhole that is able to connect to different points in time. Not the same thing as alternate realties. I have read interviews by the producers, and the actors playing Locke and Ben saying that the "alternate reality" thing would be to cop an easy answer and not trusting their audience.

Here is an article from EW that I think is pretty on target. Who knows though, if this is a setup by Darlton, they have my undying admiration.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20180747_2,00.html

There is another long article on-line that talks about all kinds of reasons why it points to the island being a wormhole central location. Pretty interesting.

There is another long article on-line that talks about all kinds of reasons why it points to the island being a wormhole central location. Pretty interesting.
Got a link?

Matthew Fox was on a talk show today. Said he thinks they are filming 5 more episodes starting this Spring. Would that give them time to add them to this season? Also said he hopes most of the "crew" (his word) would be back but some may have other commitments. Don't know if he was talking about the filming crew or about other cast members.

Believe they(as in the network) announced there will indeed be around 5 more episodes this season.

Ion fact, think there was a promo about all the new shows before this passed episode aired.

Got a link?

Here is the whole article:

THE LOST CHEAT SHEET!
SEASON 4, EPISODE 5: ''THE CONSTANT''
This week, no crazy non sequiturs, dubious pop culture tangents, or flat-out lame jokes. Only helpful information. Honest! Today's cheat sheet is indebted to two books: Warped Passages: Unraveling the Mysteries of the Universe's Hidden Dimensions, by Lisa Randall; and The New Time Travelers, by David Toomey.

Dedicated to all you wormholes out there. You know who you are.

THE HATCH
A bunker buried in the jungle, properly known as the Swan, and part of the Dharma Initiative, a Utopian science outfit financed by the Hanso Foundation. It was allegedly created to study the Island's unique electromagnetic fluctuations. In the finale of season 2, the Hatch either exploded or imploded; regardless, it went bye-bye, leaving nothing but a charred crater behind. Desmond, Locke, and Mr. Eko were all inside the Hatch during this destruction event. They, too, should have been blown to smithereens. Instead, Desmond woke up naked, Locke woke up mute, and Mr. Eko woke up delirious. To this day, I have been convinced that Lost has not given us a satisfying explanation for how those three survived. But yesterday, a theory came to mind. First, we must revisit:

''FLASHES BEFORE YOUR EYES''
A pivotal season 3 episode in which it was revealed that after Desmond turned the failsafe key, he experienced something like time travel; his Island-present consciousness downloaded into his flashback-past self. Even more odd, when his mind returned to the Island present, Desmond came back with ''flashes'' of the future. Did Desmond's consciousness simultaneously expand forward and backward in time, then reverse course and contract back into his head? Does super-electromagnetic Desmond have the ability to omnisciently experience the arc of his existence (or his ''worldline,'' to use a word coined by Lost-cited egghead Hermann Minkowski) all at once, but chooses not to, or at least, only in manageable ''flashes''? Perhaps tonight's episode will offer illumination. During his ''Flashes'' flashback, Desmond learned from a mysterious lady named Ms. Hawking two things about the nature of Lost time (assuming that she was being truthful, of course): Both free will and predestination are at work. Hawking warned Desmond that if he proposed to Penny, ''every single one of us will die.'' But then, after they witnessed a man's death, Ms. Hawking told Desmond that despite knowing the man's fate, she was powerless to stop it; the universe would have found a different way to kill him. This brings us to:

DAVID LEWIS
David Lewis is the name of Charlotte Staples Lewis' father. (We know this from when Ben ran down Charlotte's bio at the end of ''Confirmed Dead.'') David Lewis is also a famous thinker in the field of physics. During the 1970s, he gave a series of lectures about the topic of time travel. One of his most important contributions was a response to the problem known as ''The Grandfather Paradox.'' This is the idea that a time traveler can't go back in time and kill his grandpa because it would create a new timeline in which the time traveler would have never come into existence. Lewis resolved this paradox by simply suggesting that in a world where time travel would be possible, creating paradox would be impossible; the cosmos would basically work against you and execute what Desmond would call...

''COURSE CORRECTION'' PART ONE
Example: Charlie. But two things about Charlie's death: (1) Fate technically didn't kill Charlie. Remember what happened: Desmond flashed on a new version of Charlie's death — one that offered a future that was beneficial to all castaways. Heroically, Charlie embraced this fate. Charlie exercised his free will and essentially killed himself. (2) Regardless, Fate got what it wanted. Which brings me back to the mystery of how Desmond, Locke, and Eko survived the Hatch implosion. Were they saved by ''The Grandfather Paradox''? Did Fate spare them because they just weren't supposed to die yet? Maybe. And if so, it would be awfully convenient; Lost could basically get away with any leap in narrative logic by chalking it up to ''course correction.'' Ironically, this is exactly the complaint that many physicists have to paradox theories like the one suggested by David Lewis. Which brings us to...


''COURSE CORRECTION'' PART TWO
Igor Novikov was a physicist whose name is attached to the most famous theory addressing time-travel paradox: the Novikov Self-Consistency Principle. Similar to Lewis, Novikov advocated ''course correction.'' But many others — including Matt Visser, who coined the phrase ''Novikov Consistency Conspiracy'' — opposed Novikov's articulation because it implied the work of supernatural agencies. A religious person (like Charlotte's namesake, C.S. Lewis) might call this agency ''God.'' An open-minded scientific person might call it ''Maxwell's Demon,'' named after James Clerk Maxwell's tricky thought experiment, discussed in this space a couple weeks ago. Novikov himself called it by another name, a name connected directly to Lost: ''Jinn,'' a word from the Koran for a category of formless magical entities that defy the laws of space-time. (The Monster, for example, could be a ''Jinn.'') But I might suggest a fourth candidate, one that our old X-Files friend Dana Scully would find hard to swallow but at least puts us in a plausibly human arena: an honest-to-God conspiracy, executed by Cancer Man-ish agents like Ms. Hawking, Brother Jerome (Desmond's former monastery boss), and many others. The Lostverse is populated by people struggling to avert catastrophic paradox and perhaps battling each other over the proper form of ''course correction.'' This raises the question: How would these flesh-and-blood ''demons'' know the future? Answer:

THE ORCHID
The Orchid is the name of another Dharma Initiative station that we have not yet seen, but will, soon. (Next week, to be exact.) A version of the Orchid's orientation film was released last summer by the producers of Lost; you can see it on YouTube or at abc.com. The film suggests that Dharma was trying to harness the unique energies of the Island in order to conduct experiments in time travel. It mentions something called the Casimir Effect, which points toward the kind of energy that Dharma was harnessing. What would negative energy be good for? Growing and maintaining a most volatile distortion in the fabric of reality, or ''Minkowski space-time,'' a distortion known as:

A WORMHOLE
I bow before the feet of many other Lost theorists, including J. Wood at powells.com, who've brought wormholes into the Lost conversation much earlier than me. If you're a sci-fi nut, you know all about wormholes, a theoretical phenomenon in space-time that can connect one point in time to another. Novikov speculated that wormholes could mature into ''natural time machines.'' If the Island is basically ground zero for a small, localized wormhole, then it's very possible that Dharma was to create a kind of quantum switchboard, connecting calls between Island present and the future or the past. I wonder if the name ''Miles Straum'' is another clue nodding in the direction of wormhole theory. The producers say ''Miles Straum'' was meant to sound like ''maelstrom,'' which is a massive, monstrous whirlpool in the middle of an ocean. Not a bad analogy for a wormhole in the South Pacific, eh?

+++

I know what you're thinking. You mean to tell me that I gotta know all this noodle-cooking stuff to understand Lost? My answer is this: If any of this is accurate, I'm betting it'll probably be explained just as generally, if not more so, as I did here. But here's the curious thing about all this. Science is supposed to be the process of making the unknowable knowable, right? This is essentially the argument against supernatural forces: They're just phenomena we haven't explained yet, phenomena like Lost's Monster, ghosts, and various other ''jinns.'' But the current direction of physics suggests that science has gone so far down the rabbit hole that they're coming back to where they started: to a view of reality marked by inherent unknowability. Concepts like ''braneworld cosmology'' advocate the existence of dimensions embedded in our reality that defy natural order. I wouldn't be surprised if, at the end of the day, Lost rallies around Edward Mitten's ''M theory,'' a unified theory of reality that incorporates multiple dimensions (10, to be exact) plus a bonus 11th dimension marked by supergravity. What does the ''M'' stand for? Witten never said. It could mean ''magic,'' ''membrane,'' or ''mystery.'' In fact, Lisa Randall offers the idea that the ''M'' means ''Missing theory.''

Sounds like Lost to me.

think we might see Juliet's bus splattered husband next week. Also get to see the Orchid Station...

ABC: Juliet receives an unwelcome visit from someone from her past and is given orders to track down Charlotte and Faraday in order to stop them from completing their mission -- by any means necessary. Meanwhile, Ben offers Locke an enticing deal.

Could you pass along the link so I can keep following what the author of this has to say?

Here is the whole article:

THE LOST CHEAT SHEET!
SEASON 4, EPISODE 5: ''THE CONSTANT''
This week, no crazy non sequiturs, dubious pop culture tangents, or flat-out lame jokes. Only helpful information. Honest! Today's cheat sheet is indebted to two books: Warped Passages: Unraveling the Mysteries of the Universe's Hidden Dimensions, by Lisa Randall; and The New Time Travelers, by David Toomey.

Dedicated to all you wormholes out there. You know who you are.

THE HATCH
A bunker buried in the jungle, properly known as the Swan, and part of the Dharma Initiative, a Utopian science outfit financed by the Hanso Foundation. It was allegedly created to study the Island's unique electromagnetic fluctuations. In the finale of season 2, the Hatch either exploded or imploded; regardless, it went bye-bye, leaving nothing but a charred crater behind. Desmond, Locke, and Mr. Eko were all inside the Hatch during this destruction event. They, too, should have been blown to smithereens. Instead, Desmond woke up naked, Locke woke up mute, and Mr. Eko woke up delirious. To this day, I have been convinced that Lost has not given us a satisfying explanation for how those three survived. But yesterday, a theory came to mind. First, we must revisit:

''FLASHES BEFORE YOUR EYES''
A pivotal season 3 episode in which it was revealed that after Desmond turned the failsafe key, he experienced something like time travel; his Island-present consciousness downloaded into his flashback-past self. Even more odd, when his mind returned to the Island present, Desmond came back with ''flashes'' of the future. Did Desmond's consciousness simultaneously expand forward and backward in time, then reverse course and contract back into his head? Does super-electromagnetic Desmond have the ability to omnisciently experience the arc of his existence (or his ''worldline,'' to use a word coined by Lost-cited egghead Hermann Minkowski) all at once, but chooses not to, or at least, only in manageable ''flashes''? Perhaps tonight's episode will offer illumination. During his ''Flashes'' flashback, Desmond learned from a mysterious lady named Ms. Hawking two things about the nature of Lost time (assuming that she was being truthful, of course): Both free will and predestination are at work. Hawking warned Desmond that if he proposed to Penny, ''every single one of us will die.'' But then, after they witnessed a man's death, Ms. Hawking told Desmond that despite knowing the man's fate, she was powerless to stop it; the universe would have found a different way to kill him. This brings us to:

DAVID LEWIS
David Lewis is the name of Charlotte Staples Lewis' father. (We know this from when Ben ran down Charlotte's bio at the end of ''Confirmed Dead.'') David Lewis is also a famous thinker in the field of physics. During the 1970s, he gave a series of lectures about the topic of time travel. One of his most important contributions was a response to the problem known as ''The Grandfather Paradox.'' This is the idea that a time traveler can't go back in time and kill his grandpa because it would create a new timeline in which the time traveler would have never come into existence. Lewis resolved this paradox by simply suggesting that in a world where time travel would be possible, creating paradox would be impossible; the cosmos would basically work against you and execute what Desmond would call...

''COURSE CORRECTION'' PART ONE
Example: Charlie. But two things about Charlie's death: (1) Fate technically didn't kill Charlie. Remember what happened: Desmond flashed on a new version of Charlie's death — one that offered a future that was beneficial to all castaways. Heroically, Charlie embraced this fate. Charlie exercised his free will and essentially killed himself. (2) Regardless, Fate got what it wanted. Which brings me back to the mystery of how Desmond, Locke, and Eko survived the Hatch implosion. Were they saved by ''The Grandfather Paradox''? Did Fate spare them because they just weren't supposed to die yet? Maybe. And if so, it would be awfully convenient; Lost could basically get away with any leap in narrative logic by chalking it up to ''course correction.'' Ironically, this is exactly the complaint that many physicists have to paradox theories like the one suggested by David Lewis. Which brings us to...


''COURSE CORRECTION'' PART TWO
Igor Novikov was a physicist whose name is attached to the most famous theory addressing time-travel paradox: the Novikov Self-Consistency Principle. Similar to Lewis, Novikov advocated ''course correction.'' But many others — including Matt Visser, who coined the phrase ''Novikov Consistency Conspiracy'' — opposed Novikov's articulation because it implied the work of supernatural agencies. A religious person (like Charlotte's namesake, C.S. Lewis) might call this agency ''God.'' An open-minded scientific person might call it ''Maxwell's Demon,'' named after James Clerk Maxwell's tricky thought experiment, discussed in this space a couple weeks ago. Novikov himself called it by another name, a name connected directly to Lost: ''Jinn,'' a word from the Koran for a category of formless magical entities that defy the laws of space-time. (The Monster, for example, could be a ''Jinn.'') But I might suggest a fourth candidate, one that our old X-Files friend Dana Scully would find hard to swallow but at least puts us in a plausibly human arena: an honest-to-God conspiracy, executed by Cancer Man-ish agents like Ms. Hawking, Brother Jerome (Desmond's former monastery boss), and many others. The Lostverse is populated by people struggling to avert catastrophic paradox and perhaps battling each other over the proper form of ''course correction.'' This raises the question: How would these flesh-and-blood ''demons'' know the future? Answer:

THE ORCHID
The Orchid is the name of another Dharma Initiative station that we have not yet seen, but will, soon. (Next week, to be exact.) A version of the Orchid's orientation film was released last summer by the producers of Lost; you can see it on YouTube or at abc.com. The film suggests that Dharma was trying to harness the unique energies of the Island in order to conduct experiments in time travel. It mentions something called the Casimir Effect, which points toward the kind of energy that Dharma was harnessing. What would negative energy be good for? Growing and maintaining a most volatile distortion in the fabric of reality, or ''Minkowski space-time,'' a distortion known as:

A WORMHOLE
I bow before the feet of many other Lost theorists, including J. Wood at powells.com, who've brought wormholes into the Lost conversation much earlier than me. If you're a sci-fi nut, you know all about wormholes, a theoretical phenomenon in space-time that can connect one point in time to another. Novikov speculated that wormholes could mature into ''natural time machines.'' If the Island is basically ground zero for a small, localized wormhole, then it's very possible that Dharma was to create a kind of quantum switchboard, connecting calls between Island present and the future or the past. I wonder if the name ''Miles Straum'' is another clue nodding in the direction of wormhole theory. The producers say ''Miles Straum'' was meant to sound like ''maelstrom,'' which is a massive, monstrous whirlpool in the middle of an ocean. Not a bad analogy for a wormhole in the South Pacific, eh?

+++

I know what you're thinking. You mean to tell me that I gotta know all this noodle-cooking stuff to understand Lost? My answer is this: If any of this is accurate, I'm betting it'll probably be explained just as generally, if not more so, as I did here. But here's the curious thing about all this. Science is supposed to be the process of making the unknowable knowable, right? This is essentially the argument against supernatural forces: They're just phenomena we haven't explained yet, phenomena like Lost's Monster, ghosts, and various other ''jinns.'' But the current direction of physics suggests that science has gone so far down the rabbit hole that they're coming back to where they started: to a view of reality marked by inherent unknowability. Concepts like ''braneworld cosmology'' advocate the existence of dimensions embedded in our reality that defy natural order. I wouldn't be surprised if, at the end of the day, Lost rallies around Edward Mitten's ''M theory,'' a unified theory of reality that incorporates multiple dimensions (10, to be exact) plus a bonus 11th dimension marked by supergravity. What does the ''M'' stand for? Witten never said. It could mean ''magic,'' ''membrane,'' or ''mystery.'' In fact, Lisa Randall offers the idea that the ''M'' means ''Missing theory.''

Sounds like Lost to me.

It is on spoliertv.blogspot.com

Believe they(as in the network) announced there will indeed be around 5 more episodes this season.

Ion fact, think there was a promo about all the new shows before this passed episode aired.

Yeah, Lindeloff (sp?), Cuse & Co have said--via EW, I believe--that 5 more eps will be completed for S4 (giving us 13 instead of the planned 16).

Apparently some story points have been shuffled a bit - some things that were to be revealed this season will have to wait for next season. But the majority of stuff they wanted to occur in S4 will happen for the most part.


All I do know for sure is that so far, S4 has had some of the best LOST moments yet. Will even go out on a limb & say that I felt "The Constant" was one of the best eps ever. Then again, I've always been a big fan of Desmond.

Some good spoilery stuff on who the final two of the oceanic 6 are. Best theory I've read so far.

http://seat42f.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1704&Itemid=99999999

the six have been known since dec unless they changed it, Jin & Sun are the last two. Also known was more than 6 are off the island by interviews and of course seeing Ben.

spoilers are a hole other thing to keep up with along with the show.

well no husband but a new character from the others camp.

clips on ign http://media.tv.ign.com/media/821/821880/vids_1.html

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO DESMOND?
In ''The Constant,'' Desmond became ''unstuck in time'' after flying through a thundercloud crackling with strange electricity. He experienced something like time travel, though not bodily time travel; instead, his consciousness shuttled between two different time periods, Island present 2004 and Desmond's past 1996. But here's the tricky twist: Desmond's Island-present mind wasn't the one doing the time traveling. When Desmond got hit with Island magic, his consciousness got knocked off-line and was replaced by his 1996 self. It was this older Desmond consciousness that toggled between present and past throughout the episode. Once Desmond '96 completed the errand of getting Penny's phone number so he could call her on Christmas Eve 2004, Desmond's present-day mind came back online, but rebooted with the new memories created by his time-travel adventure. I know: tricky stuff. But I had the chance to run all this by Damon Lindelof — and he says this interpretation is correct.

Full article here (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20182393,00.html)

Anyone else starting to think Ben is actually a "Good" guy?

Anyone else starting to think Ben is actually a "Good" guy?

We've seen that Ben will kill in cold blood to gain his objectives so he may be an antihero in that he will do what he thinks is justifiable in his own mind for the greater good.

Meet Ben's "man on the boat": Kevin Johnson.

It would only be a surprise if it wasn't him. (http://www.docarzt.com/lost-spoilers/lost-spoiler-huge-spoiler-meet.php)

but is he the spy or just 1 of the spies???

can't wait for the backstory in ep8

Anyone else starting to think Ben is actually a "Good" guy?

Can a liar who prevaricates at the drop of a hat and spins webs with everyone ever be a "good guy?" Apparently Sayid thinks so.

Some spoilers I ran across:

An upcoming article from TV Guide has some very interesting tidbits regarding the return of Michael. Here are the bullet points, I've added some of my own intel in parentheses:

* There is a "darkly revelatory" series of flash BACKS involving Michael in Manhattan following his return to civilization.
* Four dead characters show up in this episode. (Friendly, Libby, Minkowski, Regina.)
* According to Cuse: "It's safe to say Michael's return to the outside world did not work out in any way he hoped or planned."
* Walt shows up briefly. (And as a child, not taller ghost Walt proportions.)
* According to Lindelof "He [Harold Perrineau] was always coming back on the freighter, it was just a matter of [when] we were gonna reveal the freighter."
* Originally, Michael and the freighter were going to be part of the season 3 finale.

Can a liar who prevaricates at the drop of a hat and spins webs with everyone ever be a "good guy?" Apparently Sayid thinks so.

If he's somehow "saving the world" by preserving the Island, then do not the ends justify the means? Sayid may have reluctantly made that calculation.

* There is a "darkly revelatory" series of flash BACKS involving Michael in Manhattan following his return to civilization.

Ah, more "evidence" that Michael is indeed the man in the coffin (always been my contention).

Good to know we'll be seeing Richard and Smokey before the season is over...

next 3 eps seems to Sayid(FF), Kate(??) and Ben(FB)

and thanks to GA's 2hr finale LOST will not have one. so 2 separate shows for LOST finale.

and thanks to GA's 2hr finale LOST will not have one. so 2 separate shows for LOST finale.

Isn't it bad enough that GA is taking the 9pm timeslot back? I wish they would just move Lost to a different day and keep it at 9.

Ep9 location shoots:
Locations used for The Shape of Things to Come: Papailoa (Police Beach AKA Camp Jack), Camp Erdman (Otherton, Camp Locke), Heeia Kea (The forested valley where Karl was shot), Honolulu Community College (Iraq), and Diamond Head for the Otherton interiors and anything secret they may have filmed. Altogether they filmed two solid days on the Iraq set, and another day for pick ups.

Interview with Blake Bashoff(Karl):
http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=b5407c60-f2d3-49bd-9dbf-c777b8686355
we have a deleted scene for the dvd
Watching the episode last night, I did notice that [something that we shot wasn't shown]. On the day we filmed it, the people who were shooting at us, there was actually a great shot of the snipers emerging through the jungle in these incredible, elaborate, jungle camouflage uniforms. And I don't know if you got a sense of that last night or not—I think you just saw movement in the trees.

sledgeweb did a nice fbf on it http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2008/03/4x08-heres-the-shooter.php#more

The official description for LOST 4.09 - "Shape of Things to Come"

"The Shape of Things to Come" - Locke's camp comes under attack, and Jack tries to discover the identity of a body that has washed ashore, on "Lost," THURSDAY, APRIL 24 (10:01-11:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

Who is not pumped for this? So let's start dissecting. Body that washes ashore? Not Regina, unless the chains around her neck were made of Styrofoam. Patchy? Say it isn't so. Charlie? Not. One of the looking glass babes? Why?

My guess is this body is going to belong to one of the "NEW" people who have come to island, and by new... I don't mean freighties.

Who is not pumped for this? So let's start dissecting. Body that washes ashore? Not Regina, unless the chains around her neck were made of Styrofoam. Patchy? Say it isn't so. Charlie? Not. One of the looking glass babes? Why?


She could of had the chains on to sink faster to reach some destination that has not been revealed yet or the more obvious to make her suicide more likely to succeed.

We will be seeing a flash back into John Locke's child hood. What could that possibly have to do with anything going on in the present? Who knows!

Richard Alpert returns! This should raise some huge questions for folks. Do the others return to chase away the forces that have descended on New Locketown?

So far details have been scant with Alpert showing up at the same time Locke is born!

The couple who do the LOST blog "The Transmission" from Hawaii reported seeing Nestor on set during filming a couple of weeks back. Which means we'll once again see the Ageless Richard Alpert in a future episode this season. YEA!!!

We will be seeing a flash back into John Locke's child hood. What could that possibly have to do with anything going on in the present? Who knows!

Richard Alpert returns! This should raise some huge questions for folks. Do the others return to chase away the forces that have descended on New Locketown?

So far details have been scant with Alpert showing up at the same time Locke is born!


Ok...beat me to it!!

I had read over @ AICN that Carbonell's return to LOST would be within the next Locke-centric episode & that we would see Alpert--still the "same age"--- in 1952, the year John Locke was born.

Tim Goodman's column in today's Chron - sort of hinting at spoilers so putting link in spoilers thread:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/21/DDDF10PA3T.DTL

Did anybody see this year's Comicon LOST video ?
I think it opens up a lot of possibilities.

Probably wouldn't have bothered posting if this thread wasn't so buried, but in an EW producers interview video (http://www.ew.com/ew/package/0,,1550612_20245764,00.html) they show some scene snippets from future episodes. Those "lost" soldiers with British accents were shown with bows and arrows. You can draw your own conclusions about that.

Probably wouldn't have bothered posting if this thread wasn't so buried, but in an EW producers interview video (http://www.ew.com/ew/package/0,,1550612_20245764,00.html) they show some scene snippets from future episodes. Those "lost" soldiers with British accents were shown with bows and arrows. You can draw your own conclusions about that.

Hmmm. Perhaps that jives with Jacob's aversion to technology?

Since there has been no new post in almost a year, a bump might be in order so that this thread can be more easily found. New season debuts in about three weeks!

M

According to my Directv guide, they are rerunning the finale from last season on 1/29.

Well without much fanfare last season's 2 hour Lost season-ender re-aired Tuesday night (1/26) as an "enhanced" version (with the lower third "pop-ups").

Didn't know it was coming, the DVR series manager didn't catch it; was it flagged as "new"?? Have reset series manager to record ALL episodes.

The first couple minutes of the premiere are now online:
http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2010/01/lost-episode-601-la-x-sneak-peek.html#axzz0e1jjo7o7

This was released as part of a contest where 815 people received "messages in a bottle" that contained a USB stick with the opening scene. I can't wait to see the rest of the episode.

I just watched it.. fantastic teaser. Doesn't give you enough evidence to think that its going one way or the other but really gets that Lost part of your brain kicking again! :D

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

4 Days!

I ain't doin' it. Nope. No way, no how. Unh uh.

O
M
G

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0036EH3WK/110bb-20

From the new issue of TV Guide:

So should we discard all we learned in the previous seasons' flashbacks? Pretty much, says executive producer Carlton Cuse. "All the matters now are the flash-sideways stories," he says.

=================

Wish I could post this in the main LOST thread for all the people who are saying they are just going to ignore the flash-sideways. They are going to be sorry if they do that.

From the new issue of TV Guide:

So should we discard all we learned in the previous seasons' flashbacks? Pretty much, says executive producer Carlton Cuse. "All the matters now are the flash-sideways stories," he says.

=================

Wish I could post this in the main LOST thread for all the people who are saying they are just going to ignore the flash-sideways. They are going to be sorry if they do that.

I sure hope that's them being coy.. 5 seasons of serious emotional and cerebral investment being erased would be just plain awful. Might was well go with one of the crappy series endings that theyve ruled out already (aliens, snowglobe, dream, etc). I have faith that its not as potentially awful as it sounds though, they have yet to NOT come though solidly.

I sure hope that's them being coy.. 5 seasons of serious emotional and cerebral investment being erased would be just plain awful. Might was well go with one of the crappy series endings that theyve ruled out already (aliens, snowglobe, dream, etc). I have faith that its not as potentially awful as it sounds though, they have yet to NOT come though solidly.

I am not versed in what goes on with The Powers...I don't listen to the podcasts or check out other web sites, but even if they are telling the truth, it really doesn't matter...The flashbacks still are valid for the losties that set off the bomb and are now in 2007. They are probably not valid for the alternate timeline losties. In the new 2004 timeline, it's pretty clear that anyone who got to the island after 1977 did not/could not go there. Some of the stuff may that happens with them may or may not have happened regardless of the presence of the Island, but already there has been a 1 month difference in the time that the flight took off from Sydney.

I'm sooooo looking foward to whatever ending they give us, even if it still means some unanswered questions/speculation.

No matter how they end it, other than a dream or a snowglobe, I'm good.

Life does not always have a neat little bow wrapped around it.

Some great info coming out of PaleyFest where cast & crew held a Q&A panel.. and showed an awesome teaser for tomorrow's episode!!

Photos from the event:
http://www.sl-lost.com/2010/02/28/photo-gallery-lost-panel-at-paleyfest2010/

Interview with Nestor Carbonell about Richard's story and the significant episode #9 this season:
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Closing comments and sneak peek for tomorrow's episode!!
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A brief summary of some of the A's to the Q's in the panel (if someone has the video for the actual panel, please post it!):

The answer is “yes” to the following:
Will Richard and Ilana exchange some words soon? Will we see another painting by Bender?
Do some of the characters’ last names have significance, particularly Jack’s?
Is Jack married to someone we’ve met before?
Was Jacob telling the truth when he said someone was coming to the island?
Will we learn more about Hurley and Libby’s connection?
Will we see Vincent and Charlie again? Will we learn if Desmond was really on the plane?

The answer is “no” to the following:
Will we get a conclusion to the story of Ben’s love, Annie?
Do the purple circles in Bender’s mural mean anything?
Did Juliet’s ex-husband get killed by a smoke bus?
Will there be a DVD release of the show in chronological order?

The answer is “maybe” to the following:
Will the Hurley bird be explained? Will we see Walt again?

The answer is “no comment” to the following:
Will we learn why women can’t have babies on the island?

Radio silence: After being bombarded with questions about the show for six years, Cuse said they do not plan on commenting on the series finale after it airs.

Final spoiler from Lindelof: “Water.”

Separate listing of details\spoilers:

1. Jack's baby momma (mother of David Shephard in the flash-sideways world) IS somebody we've met before. Juliet? Kate? Sara? Hmm...

2. We probably will see Walt again. "[Malcolm David Kelley] absolutely would still be on the show," Carlton Cuse said, "but the actor aged." Damon Lindelof: "We are working on a way to bring Walt back before Lost is all said and done."

3. Damon: "Ilana and Richard will say things to each other and about each other in the future."

4. Terry O'Quinn is "playing a guy who we're not going to see until the finale." (Eeeee!)

5. Someone IS coming to the island.

6. Matthew Abbadon will not return.

7. We will get an answer to Libby and Hurley and their connection in the past.

8. Vincent will be back.

9. The finale is being written right now. Episode 15 was just shot this week in Hawaii.

10. Damon says there's no need for an island to have a Lost-themed ride at Disney World: "Just put people in a black room, spin them around and punch them in the face and tell them 'You just had the Lost experience.'"

11. Will we find out if there really was a bird on the island that said "Hurley" as it flew by? "That is on our list of things to explain."

12. When asked if we'll find out what happened to Annie, Ben's childhood sweetheart, Carlton says "We don't want to say. Probably not."

13. The gang's back together! While answering an unrelated Q, Terry O'Quinn mentioned: "A whole bunch of the cast is working together again."

14. There will be more for Charlie fans.

15. Alan Dale aka Charles Widmore will return.

16. Whether Jacob actually ever furnished a list of candidates to Ben or The Others is speculative...and might have been Ben lying to get the surgery from Jack.

17. A clip was shown for next week's episode in which Sayid says "apparently, I'm evil," Miles tells Sayid he was dead and says "Whatever brought you back it wasn't them (Temple people)," and Claire storms into the Temple telling Dogen that "He" wants to talk to him.

More videos of the PaleyFest panel!

http://www.sl-lost.com/2010/03/01/lots-of-videos-of-the-lost-panel-at-paleyfest-2010/

My whole family went to Paleyfest Lost, great fun! Terry O'Quinn is an amusing fellow.

Upcoming episode titles from IMDB:

8. Ab Aeterno (March 23rd)
9. The Package (March 30th)
10. Happily Ever After (April 6th)
11. Everybody Loves Hugo (April 13th)
12. The Last Recruit (April 20th)
13. The Candidate (May 4th)
14. Across The Sea (May 11th)
15. What They Died For (May 18th)
16. The End (May 23rd)


Updated list.

I see that IATom has already posted the titles for the last few episodes. Note that the final episode - The End - has been split into Part I and Part II covering the last 2:30.

I see that IATom has already posted the titles for the last few episodes. Note that the final episode - The End - has been split into Part I and Part II covering the last 2:30.

It will still be shown as a continuous episode, though. The Season 4 finale was shown as Part I the week before, then Parts II and III as a continuous episode the following week.

Ah yes, 'What The Died For'.. I knew that. Still, thats ALL the info that's available for that episode. Even the finale has more details leaked about it. Something tells me it'll be quite an episode.

Yup, the 2-hour eps usually have a "Part 1" and "Part 2". The finale started out as a 2-hour ep also, just was extended by half-hour.

ABC's web site has a short clip (like they always do for each new ep) from "Across The Sea", it plays automatically when you go to the LOST page. Doesn't show Jacob or MIB, but two women, apparently on the island and in some undetermined year in the past (from how they're dressed). One of them is pregnant and the ship she was on seems to have crashed on the island.

You can see both sneak peek's here (as always):

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com

Interestingly enough, after this week there will be no more promos, sneak peeks, or promotional stills released per Damon & Carlton.

Say WHAT? ABC has over 8 hours of Lost programming scheduled week after next but they aren’t going to promote it?!?! Where did you read that?

Say WHAT? ABC has over 8 hours of Lost programming scheduled week after next but they aren’t going to promote it?!?! Where did you read that?

Oh, they'll promote the hell out of it. They're simply not releasing any images or info about the final episodes as part of the ads. You'll probably just see generic spots for the "last episodes of Lost".

Oh wow.. insanse MAJOR spoilers for the upcoming episode as it was sneak-peeked at the Lost Live event last night. This is pretty much one viewer's summary of the entire episode so only read this if you are absolutely sure! I made the mistake of casually skimming through it and already saw 2 huge spoilers!!

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2010/05/major-spoilers-episode-616-what-they.html

There was a big event last night and some great stuff has come out from it:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45203
They showed classic clips to which Darlton commented on:

Jack and Locke arguing over “faith vs. science” and Locke asking Jack to push the button inside the Swan Hatch. They pointed out that it wasn’t so much that Locke didn’t have faith, he said he didn’t want to do it alone, and needed Jack, referencing the famous “live together, die alone” speech. They mentioned that the scene in the submarine is where they came full circle on Jack’s transformation because he was now the man of faith trying to get Sawyer to NOT do something, (fiddle with the bomb) and Sawyer was playing the role of the empiricist this time.

Desmond finally reaching Penny on the phone in the Constant, Sayid in the background. Talked about how ridiculous it was that his mind time traveled to 1997 to ensure Penny would call him in 2004, Faraday’s rat maze, etc. And how it was the hardest and longest episode for them to break. They wanted to reveal time travel in a personal way that involved endearing characters and lots of emotion. That’s why Desmond remarks to Faraday’s mathematical explanation of a Constant: “can it be a person?”

The Dharma scene where Hurley debates time travel rules with Miles, and finally stumps him. They anticipated the audience having the same sort of questions that Hurley did, and the scene pretty much already took place within the writer’s room.

Some *really* good questions from the audience: “why must there be a human presence on the island?” which they said they’ve never been asked before but couldn’t answer. One guy asked a question which seemed to startle Darlton, especially Damon, and they basically said “We don’t want to spoil the ending to the show” as their answer, which made me think the guy was *extremely* close in his guessing the global reveal. I’ll give you a hint: he asked if there was an allusion in people doubting the button-pushing in the hatch as a critical necessity, and the critical necessity of protecting the lightcave. There was a lot more to it, but that’s all I’m giving. Sorry.

CONFIRMED SPOILERS TO FOLLOW, BEWARE:

Walt in the finale, confirmed by Carlton, to which Damon seemed a little shocked
First 10 mins will be a huge Star Wars reference (Darlton didn’t like Damon saying this, but Damon said ‘but its ok to drop the Walt-bomb?!”)
We’ll learn more about Eloise Hawking and what exactly she was doing as a “timecop” with Desmond in both timelines
The characters will debate exactly what Widmore was doing back on the island
Look for a reference to the fateful scene where Desmond and Jack first met: “you’ve got to lift it up, brotha” (a fan asked this question to which Carlton said “you won’t be disappointed”
They showed a snippet from the finale, and it was EXACTLY word-for-word from those leaked script pages on the net: MIB, Ben, and Sawyer at the well, MIB talking about sinking the island, Ben frustrated that he thought he could be on the island, MIB saying Ben could get on a boat with him, them finding a dog’s tracks.

END SPOILERS

Here's an extended sneak peek that was shown:
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And another rundown of the panel conversation at the event:
- Just got back, not too many spoilers...but Carlton did let out that we will see Walt again before all is said and done.
- they also referenced that one of the final scenes involves a lot of characters and that the very final scene has been known since season 1
- One of the fans in the audience asked if Desmond's line to Jack in the 2nd season when they first meet in the stadium and Desmond tells Jack "You have to lift it up" would have any relevance to the finale. Damon & Carlton said "you will not be disappointed."
- The bigger one, though, was confirmation that we will see Walt in the finale. Yes, Walt.
- Eloise's knowledge is relevant for the finale.
- Walt will be back in some form.
- Damon would not directly address why Smokey was pulling Locke down that hole in the S1 finale, so that could be relevant. Same with whether or not Jacob is actually good, and whether or not there's anything worth protecting down in the Light Cave.
- There will be a Star Wars reference in the first 7 minutes of the finale.
- Hurley was involved in the final scene (we knew this already).
- A clip was shown, pretty much an extended version of the Sawyer/Ben/Flocke one posted here. Sawyer tells Locke that he thinks Desmond is needed for destroying the Island, Locke says yes. Sawyer then takes Ben's gun, punches him, and walks away while saying that the group he's a part of "aren't candidates anymore". Locke then remarks that the Island will be at the bottom of the ocean when he's done with it, prompting Ben to question his loyalty (Ben was promised the Island in return for his help, and assumed that its destruction was figurative and not literal). Locke then invited him to join him on his boat as he watches the Island sink. He kneels down to the ground near the well and notices pawprints.
He realizes that a dog had been there.
- Also, mirrors are very relevant.
- When Ben asks why Flocke isn't running to chase him down Flocke explains that he intends to use Desmond to destroy the Island. Naturally Ben isn't too pleased.
- The extended clip ends with Flocke examining the ground near the well and stating that a dog had been there.
- Widmore was lying when he said Jacob visited him (more on this below)

Read more: http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/#/axzz0oZLHT4Mz#ixzz0oZLhY1vf

And another great writeup:

A lady from the audience said the show pretty much restored her faith in God and got her much closer in faith and relationships (wow)
Damon and Carlton spoke a LOT on the struggle of faith, reason, religion, empiricism, etc. Damon summarized the show in this way “you have the Bible, it tells you, you do this and this, or there are consequences” and at the end of the day, you have to choose to have faith in that book, or not. So it really isn’t about that book, it’s about whether or not you decide to trust it. That’s our show. And it’s not just the Bible, it’s basically all the religious texts”.
One guy asked Damon and Carlton for a job, Michael Emerson kindly got up and received his resume
A really good question asked from the audience: “if MIB knew he couldn’t kill a candidate, why was he trying to do so by dragging Locke underground in season 1?” to which Damon replied: “ahh yes, but was he trying to kill him? You have to remember that Locke had just seen “the face of the island, and it was beautiful” and he was planning on going and giving a big speech to the castaways to give them hope and courage. MIB didn’t like this and was preventing him from doing so.”
Damon used the analogy of the “Johnny Explainer” (aka Exposition-Guy) character that is normally used as a cheap plot device to cover complex backstory and narrative (Dharma guy comes wandering out of the jungle to tell the 815ers about his time in the Dharma Initiative), as a springboard to say “as writers, we divided up Johnny Explainer’s dialogue amongst our characters. We’d put his word in Ben’s mouth, in John Locke’s mouth, Jacob’s mouth, and you always had to wonder if they were telling the truth, or not. Every time someone in the show gave an explanation, we wanted there to be an element of doubt.” After all this Damon said something to the effect of “but Johnny Explainer is no longer giving you the fruit from the tree”. He used a lot of interesting metaphors, some I understood, some I didn’t.
How much was planned out? They had the end-game in mind during season 1. They know how they wanted it to end. Between the hiatus of season 1-2, they sat down and had time to write out the core mythology. But also, when each season started up in the writing bootcamp, they might change or modify or add things, knowing ultimately where they still had to go. The end-game has never changed in theme or purpose, but may have changed in small details and content.
Damon pointed out that the #1 and #2 questions most asked by fans is: 1) Was everything planned out? 2) how much input does the audience have on the show? Damon said you can’t have it both ways. Because if they planned EVERYTHING out and locked it away in some “LOST binder”, then obviously fans would not be allowed any input or effect on the show. An immediate response to the audience: people kept asking why Hurley wasn’t losing any weight… so they wrote in that he was stashing Dharma ranch dressing (and other things). An anticipated audience reaction dealt with pre-emptively: Nicki and Paulo.
Why Nicki and Paulo? Because in the third season they realized they were punting along and had to do something. Their rule was to introduce new characters at the beginning of each season, and as they saw they were introducing the Others characters at the cages (Juliet, etc.) they wanted to introduce new characters back at the beach camp. Thus, Nicki and Paulo. They admit it was a mistake and tried to be cruel in how they got rid of Nicki and Paulo to make the fans feel somewhat satisfied.
When Damon realized Walt was getting too tall (taller than Damon isn’t very tall, btw), they basically said “lets get Walt on that raft, pronto!” and remarked how you can notice during season 1’s arc that Walt’s voice cracks a bit ala Peter Brady on the Brady Bunch. They way they wrote this into the show was that Walt was so special that even he was freaking out the Others, and Ben wanted him off the island.
Personally, I’ve been getting a little disappointed and frustrated with the increasing criticisms and attacks on the show you can find on many popular blogs and news sites. I can tell you, honestly, that A LOT of things that Damon and Carlton explained about the writing process, about character motivations, about overarching themes they’ve built into the show, about mistakes they’ve made, etc. cleared up a TON of the negative things “fans” have been saying. I wish all those people were forced to attend and listen. It really would have put a lot of their skepticism, frustration, and doubt at ease.
Damon said “if you hated Expose, if you hated Across the Sea, please watch the finale, give it some time, and let’s see if you still hate those eps or think they were unnecessary in the grand scheme”. (Obviously he was talking more about Across the Sea than Expose)
Jorge listed Ben as his favorite character, Emerson listed Eko as his favorite character (they weren’t allowed to pick their own), and Damon and Carlton copped out not listing any-one character, but saying how if you ate your favorite food every single day, you’d be sick of it. But they were excited because they could write for different characters all the time and it never seemed to get stale for them. They said that Hurley was basically the personality of the writing team of Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz, and they would not have been able to write Hurley that way as a character. They said that the Desmond character/story was pretty much their writing territory.
After an audience member asked Darlton and Jorge if they were going to continue podcasting (Darlton: no, Jorge, maybe 1-2 after the finale), and Damon explained that they wouldn’t have too much more to talk about after the finale, Damon turned to Jorge and asked him “after reading the finale, being in the finale, do you have anything that needs explaining?” and Jorge sat for awhile, thought, shifted in his seat, and said “naw man, I don’t… cuz… I get it… I think I get it!” and smiled and everyone laughed.

They listed a good rule for Widmore (and others). “If a character tells you something, you can doubt it. Like Widmore. He suddenly has this change of heart and says Jacob visited him? Did Jacob really visit him? On the other hand, if you SEE something happening, then it’s true and real. We witnessed Jacob visiting Ilana at the hospital, her all bandaged up. But all we know is Widmore relayed a story. So it might be false. You have to remember to not listen to what characters on LOST say, but what they actually DO. Keep this in mind when wondering if what Widmore said was true.” It seemed like a good rule for all the characters on LOST, btw.

I really, really hope this ends up on the DVD set, because I can tell you, I’ve read the interviews, the magazines, watched the recap eps, listened to the podcasts, and I still feel like I really got to know Damon and Carlton a heck of a lot more after this than all those others. It was definitely worth the price of admission.

I’m not even gonna say “overall, it was great”. Because I was smiling and enjoying every minute of it. Since this is starting to sound like an AICN type review, I’ll leave it here.

Namaste!

So, finale still set for this Tuesday?....local listings are showing a second extended DWTS, as if we needed that.....?

So, finale still set for this Tuesday?....local listings are showing a second extended DWTS, as if we needed that.....?

Are you in some kind of alternate reality? :confused:

No more need for this thread I guess.

So, finale still set for this Tuesday?....local listings are showing a second extended DWTS, as if we needed that.....?

You are joking, right? You do realize the finale aired last night (Sunday night)???

Are you in some kind of alternate reality? :confused:

No more need for this thread I guess.

Unless someone comes up with a good reason why, yes, this topic is not needed anymore.

No, we'll close it.

I'll change the title of the original thread.