[MOD EDIT] Please use this thread for LOST spoilers and discussion.



Big spoiler from Kristin on E

Locke is responsible for the character's death...but not in the way you think, this person dies because of something Locke has done.

She also says to expect more "creeeeepy" stuff from Walt before the end of the season.

Well, I guess we should call this thread, "Lost & the Rules of Spoiler Tag use" since this is probably the fourth time it has come up here... :rolleyes:

anyways...
Whether or not we knew Locke was involved in the death of someone this season, we still don't know how he was involved.. Everybody assumes a death means someone will flat out kill someone else...

my speculation? Maybe Locke opens the hatch, and whatever is released from within kills Boone...
ahhh... 5 weeks, 1 day to go.. ;)

Originally posted by JayDog_2
Well, I guess we should call this thread, "Lost & the Rules of Spoiler Tag use" since this is probably the fourth time it has come up here... :rolleyes:

anyways...
Whether or not we knew Locke was involved in the death of someone this season, we still don't know how he was involved.. Everybody assumes a death means someone will flat out kill someone else...

my speculation? Maybe Locke opens the hatch, and whatever is released from within kills Boone...
ahhh... 5 weeks, 1 day to go.. ;)
Well thats the point of my first spoiler, he doesnt really kill anybody but he makes a decision or does something that results in the death of one of the cast members. I think its either going to be Boone, Michael or Sayid.
It would be pretty damn wicked if there was something in the hatch that comes out and kills Boone but I think one monster is enough for this island. I think there are computers, files, etc that tell more about the history of the island. Looking at what the hatch looks like in my earlier pictures, I would have to guess that its a government project gone horribly wrong and the hatch is a sort of panic room/shelter.

I know...waiting this long to find out more about Locke and the hatch is going to suck. I hope its worth it.

Originally posted by neoufo51
Well thats the point of my first spoiler, he doesnt really kill anybody but he makes a decision or does something that results in the death of one of the cast members. I think its either going to be Boone, Michael or Sayid.
It would be pretty damn wicked if there was something in the hatch that comes out and kills Boone but I think one monster is enough for this island. I think there are computers, files, etc that tell more about the history of the island. Looking at what the hatch looks like in my earlier pictures, I would have to guess that its a government project gone horribly wrong and the hatch is a sort of panic room/shelter.
Monster? I didn't say monster... ;)
more speculation...
Look at the hatch as a means of 'containment' .... remember Rousseau's team.. they were all infected, and she didn't want them to leave the island...

just posted a comment so that I can subscribe to the thread.

Thats why I referred to the hatch as a possible "panic room." As you can see in...

the pictures, its quite large

And to whoever wants to subscribe, there is a link at the top of every thread.

Title edited.

Keep spoilers and discussion of those spoilers in this thread. Spoiler tags are optional. Please keep any "borderline" topics here, and reserve the primary LOST thread for speculation, mindless guessing and bean calculations.

Thanks.

Originally posted by Flyer1
just posted a comment so that I can subscribe to the thread.

You can subscribe without posting a comment, by clicking the subscribe thread link at bottom of thread.

or by clicking http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/member2.php?s=&action=addsubscription&threadid=517981

editing out the thread number :)

Yeah...this thread will die off...especially with 5 weeks of no Lost. Oh well.

i don't get why we need two threads. Just use the spoiler tag and who cares if you put it in the other thread? But I agree, enough about the freaking beens.

So I am bumping it to the top.

I gotta wonder about the counts for this thread ... 10 posts (now 11) with 243,000 plus views? That doesn't seem logical.

YMMV

It's because the view count from when this was part of the "original" Lost thread moved over with this thread.

Originally posted by dmbatch
http://www.procarparts.com/subcategory/SUBCAT-SPOILERS.JPG

Moved from LOST - No Spoiler thread.

OK, what am I looking at and how does it relate to LOST?

It's a spoiler. Get it?

Got it. Duh!

It was much funnier in the original Lost thread...

No spoiler tags necessary? All righty then...

JJ Abrams: "The story of Rousseau is something I would be nervous about if I were Claire."

Lindelof: despite rampant rumors to the contrary, the finale will not reveal why Oceanic 815 crashed but "it's gonna rock people's worlds...the 'Who Shot J.R.' of LOST. We want people talking all summer long."

Flashbacks during the 3-hour two-night finale will focus on the day of the flight. The monster returns. And will end in a cliff-hanger that defies "the loyal audience to not tune in next season."

There, I feel better. Now you know what I know.

Someone else is going to die before the end of the season...

Someone else? from the main cast?

I want to know. I need to know. :p

Here's a clip.

TV Guide: There are rumors that Boone may not be the only main character dying. What can you tell us about that?
Somerhalder: There are going to be a lot more. I'm going to sound like an ass for saying this, but I'd rather be the first one off. It was all the more of a shock to me and the cast and to the story. You never forget the first, right?

and...

TV Guide: Is there a chance we haven't seen the last of Boone?
Somerhalder: Yeah, totally. By the end of the season, I'll be back in flashbacks. Here's the other thing: I'm gonna be coming back next season, too.

TV Guide: Wait — is Boone really dead?
Somerhalder: He's dead as a doornail. Trust me. He's in the ground. Dead, dead, dead.

TV Guide: So how will he be back next season?
Somerhalder: [The producers] have kind of told me what they have in mind, but I don't think they know in whole yet. But I can imagine it's gonna be pretty cool. And I wholeheartedly look forward to it.

Now, that's why I'm still subscribed to this thread... :):)

wiggo and rdwalt, you made my day!

They can bring him back in flashbacks and in hallucinations. They could even bring him back as a ghost to talk to Locke.

It will be his long lost evil twin. :p

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
They can bring him back in flashbacks and in hallucinations. They could even bring him back as a ghost to talk to Locke.

Boone doing his best Obi Wan: Looocke uuuse the fooorce... :p

Originally posted by Mr.Poindexter
They can bring him back in flashbacks and in hallucinations. They could even bring him back as a ghost to talk to Locke.

There's no such thing as ghosts. The only ghosts you'll see on this show is if you're watching it through an analog channel. :p

Wolfie

Wow... Just came across a pretty big spoiler. Seems that, as we thought from the adjusted radio message, there is indeed another set of survivors. Michelle Rodriguez is joining the cast and will also be seen in the season finale. Here is the info:

"TV Guide reports that film actress Michelle Rodriguez ("The Fast & The Furious", "Resident Evil") will be joining the cast of ABC hit show "Lost" next season as a regular. You won't have to wait til next year though it seems.

Turns out she will be introduced in the thriller's flashback-heavy season finale next month as a fellow passenger who befriends Matthew Fox's Jack prior to takeoff of the ill-fated Oceanic Flight 815."

Season 2 Teaser:

THEY ARE NOT THE SURVIVORS THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE

I want to know more about that.

I demand to know more about that! :p

I thought that the previews were ok for the regular thread?

But that leads to the speculation: how are they "not"? (obviously)

Is it:

1. They are not "survivors" at all? (dead/purgatory theory-denied by abrams)
2. They are survivors, but that they didn't survive what they thought they did? (the flight crash wasn't real. They were implanted with fake memories or something, yet survived whatever process they underwent or somehow escaped?)
3. The "not" refers to the "they" word, meaning, they aren't even the people that they thought they were and are instead clones, but indeed died on the flight.

They showed Sawyer running in the "preview", so presumably he survives what looks to be a shooting in the season ender.

I'd put zero creedence in the video shown. (not that I think Sawyer won't survive) The video was fairly generic and more for effect than anything else. Probably previously aired or cut footage.

But they clearly are hinting at something significant. Clones? ;)

As far as the "spoilerness" - I didn't want to take the chance in the regular thread. It is a preview and it's official - but it wasn't aired and you have to jump through hoops to see it. Better safe than sorry.

I thought that the previews were ok for the regular thread?

But that leads to the speculation: how are they "not"? (obviously)

Is it:

1. They are not "survivors" at all? (dead/purgatory theory-denied by abrams)
2. They are survivors, but that they didn't survive what they thought they did? (the flight crash wasn't real. They were implanted with fake memories or something, yet survived whatever process they underwent or somehow escaped?)
3. The "not" refers to the "they" word, meaning, they aren't even the people that they thought they were and are instead clones, but indeed died on the flight.
I suppose the first "they" could refer to an additional group of survivors. Perhaps Jack, Kate, Locke, Sayid, etc. meet what they think are survivors from another part of the plane (Rose's husband, etc.), but they turn out to be something entirely different.

I suppose and perhaps do not a spoiler make.

The LOST fanatics define a spoiler as anything not in the show. There was even an argument over things shown in previews (IIRC, they decided those were OK, but some still disagreed). So "I suppose" and "perhaps" are spoilers over in that thread, although not anywhere else in the known universe.

Of course, remember that these forums (provided to us at no charge) generate huge screaming fights and cries of "censorship" when the owners and moderators try to be impartial (I'm constantly amazed at the level of abuse the moderators take from some on the lunatic fringe, and grateful that they stick around despite it).

Just my opinion.

Wrongo Wiggo. "I suppose" and "perhaps" are merely speculation and therefore not spoilers even according to the strigent definition at "that" thread.

Posted 03-09-05
:confused:

Last time I'll define "spoiler".

Anything that has not aired on the show or a preview - THAT IS A KNOW FACT FROM A SOURCE OTHER THAN THE SHOW OR A PREVIEW - is a spoiler.

Any speculation would not be considered a spoiler. Any discussion about where the show may head over the next few episodes - or few seasons - would not be considered a spoiler.

Suggesting Walt will kill Locke is speculation, not a spoiler. Suggesting the numbers actually correspond to ages is also speculation.

I suppose and perhaps do not a spoiler make.
My speculation may not be a spoiler, but I was responding to a previous post in this thread about a trailer for next season that hasn't aired on TV yet. How do you suggest that I respond to that post if not in this thread?

An island of Losties
Like Trekkies before them, devoted fans of the current hit TV show find camaraderie at a convention
By Roy Rivenburg Los Angeles Times Staff Writer June 14, 2005

What's inside the mysterious hatch on ABC's hit TV show "Lost"? Maybe a tunnel to Burbank, where a dozen cast and crew members surfaced over the weekend for the world's first official "Lost" convention.

In an event that was billed as "history in the making," fans hobnobbed with the show's stars, scooped up "Lost" merchandise and unearthed a few secrets about the cryptic series, which is like a cross between "Twilight Zone" and "Gilligan's Island."

The two-day convention was organized by Creation Entertainment, a Glendale company that also runs fan conventions for "Star Trek," "Xena" and other shows with cult followings.

Nobody wore costumes to this confab, unless you count the woman with the red blob of fake flesh attached to her shoulder. "It's a piece of Arzt," she explained, referring to the character who inadvertently blew himself up in the season finale.

Other "Losties," who paid as much as $189 per ticket, were just as ardent about the show. One asked actor John Terry, who plays the father of Jack, if he was "in need of female companionship." Terry said he was "happily married."

At the end of a Q&A session with several of the show's writers, one audience member shouted, "Don't kill Sawyer," referring to the island's hunky bad boy. Executive producer Damon Lindelof replied, "We won't. But he did get shot, which means his shirt will be off in a future episode." As female crowd members whooped, Lindelof added, "And he'll be wet" (Sawyer fell into the ocean after being shot).

Many of the audience questions focused on various conundrums from the Wednesday night show, which will move to 9 p.m. this fall. Set on a strange tropical island, the sci-fi series revolves around 14 survivors of a plane crash, and their encounters with an unseen monster, a polar bear, the wreckage of a 150-year-old slave ship and other oddities.

"Have any of you heard of string theory?" Terry asked at the beginning of his talk. "I think the characters have fallen into a tear in the fabric of the universe, and they're co-creating this reality." But, he added, "I really don't know. And even if I did know, I couldn't tell you or I'd have to kill every one of you."

It's a familiar refrain among the show's cast and crew.

"You learn to become artful about giving infuriatingly vague answers," writer Javier Grillo-Marxuach said backstage. "I don't even show the scripts to my wife."

He added, "Our fans are like Talmudic scholars. They have created a body of scholarship about every episode."

About a month after the series debuted, Grillo-Marxuach was walking his dog when a neighbor yelled from across the street, "Are they dead?" Grillo-Marxuach shouted back, "No, they're not dead." The neighbor replied, "Really? Then why are their clothes so clean?"

At the convention, Grillo-Marxuach and his colleagues dangled a handful of clues to fans. "The plane did not crash by accident," Lindelof told the crowd. "It crashed for a very specific reason." But he dismissed speculation that someone aboard the plane caused the crash. "I will tell you today that is not the case."

He also promised, "Season 2 is gonna get weird" — though he and other writers promised the mysteries wouldn't drag on as long as "The X Files," which ran nine seasons.

Other tidbits:

What's inside the mysterious hatch will be interesting, but not as interesting as the effect it has on the John Locke character, according to Grillo-Marxuach.

The rear section of the plane — and additional survivors — will be discovered during the second season.

The people who kidnapped Walt, the young boy, are the "others" on the island.

Eight infants have played the newborn son of Claire on the show. "They keep growing," so new ones have to be brought in, said Emilie de Ravin, who plays Claire. "It's a constant struggle to find newborn Caucasian babies in Hawaii," where the show is taped.

Fans came from as far away as Toronto, Brooklyn and Alaska for the convention, but Creation Entertainment officials admitted they were disappointed by the turnout. Although they had hoped for a crowd of 1,000, actual attendance was closer to 800, they estimated. Even that might be generous, judging from Sunday's crowd. The ballroom, with seating for 280, was never full.

One fan, Marianna Anderson, blamed the weak attendance on a shortage of marquee names, such as the actors who play Jack, Kate or Sawyer. Organizers did recruit De Ravin and Jorge Garcia, who plays Hurley. But after that, the speaker lineup went to such second-tier characters as evil Ethan (William Mapother), and the psychic who warned Claire about her baby (Nick Jameson, a former member of the rock group Foghat).

The fans didn't seem to mind. Many crept up the center aisle on their knees to snap photos while the actors spoke. They also stood in a long line for autographs, and bought $25 T-shirts and caps, $40 canvas posters, $8 stainless steel shot glasses and $130 "Lost" jackets.

At one point, Terry was asked to sign a photo using his character's name. He paused, searching his memory. "Christian Shephard," the woman offered. Is that with one "p" or two, he asked. Someone pulled out a program and supplied the correct spelling.

Convention organizers said the weekend event was the first of six "Lost" gatherings planned for the next year. The next will be held in Northern California sometime before the end of 2005, they said.

Oh man... I like the show and all, but people need more fullfilling hobbies ;)

Oh man... I like the show and all, but people need more fullfilling hobbies ;)

:D Can't you envision someone in the audience asking Nick Jameson if he had any other psychic visions about Claire that he didn't share on camera. :D

They couldn't get Lonesome Dave to play the psychic? Some of these conventions have to be hilarious. I still laugh when I think about the SNL skit with William Shatner where he was answering questions at a convention and he snapped and told them all to get a life, a classic SNL moment.

I received the latest issue of Oceanic-Air Inflight Magazine where they listed the first three episode titles and the writers.

Episode One:
"Man of Science, Man of Faith" written by Damon Lindelof

Episode Two:
"Adrift" written by Steven Maeda & Leonard Dick

Episode Three:
"Orientation" written by Javier Grillo-Marxuach & Craig Wright


"Man of Science, Man of Faith" is obviously about Jack and Locke. "Adrift" is about the raft survivors and "Orientation".... I haven't a clue.

"Orientation"- maybe a welcome for the passengers from the back of the plane?

Sounds logical!

Given Adrift preceeds Orientation, you might take that a step further and have the raft survivors finding the back half survivors. Orientation could then also be from / for the raft survivors.

Pulled this from a fan site on the net.

Do you know what's in the hatch? Please tell me we find out early on.

From Damon Lindelof himself: "What's in the hatch is so intense/cool/complicated that it actually takes three full episodes to fully understand it. Fortunately, these are the first three episodes of the show, so the wait is over!"

Let's hope.

ABC's rerun jumble is a 'Lost' cause

The New York Daily News Tuesday, August 9th, 2005

How many times can ABC take a hot new hit show that everybody loves, and frustrate old fans and repel potential new ones with its astoundingly stupid programming moves?

The answer, in recent years, is at least three - and the third is happening right now, with the maddening way ABC is rerunning episodes of "Lost" this summer.

It wasn't that many years ago that ABC made its first stunningly self-destructive move by taking its white-hot "Who Wants To Be a Millionaire" show and using it to fill so many hours in the network's prime-time schedule that viewers deserted in droves - and ABC tumbled out of first place.

Last season, after the surprise and very welcome popularity of "Desperate Housewives" and "Lost" vaulted ABC back to prominence, the network - under new management - again risked the ire of loyal fans by stalling the momentum of those serialized stories with literally months of reruns.

We're all aware of the economics of commercial broadcast television, but why anger the very viewers you've just won back?

Fox started "24" last season in January, but was able to show that series sequentially from then on without a single pre-emption or rerun. I was very frustrated by the seemingly endless rerun cycle for "Lost" and "Housewives" at midseason, and letters from readers proved I was far from alone.

But in the summer, just when ABC should be nurturing new fans of "Lost" in particular, what it's doing these days is annoying them instead - and really upsetting long-time fans who have tried to bring new viewers to the series during ABC's "See it all, from the very beginning" summer cycle.

The catch - and the flat-out dumb move - is that with "Lost," a series that relies on an intricate sequential story structure, ABC isn't showing it all. With the second-season premiere scheduled for Sept. 21, the network has begun trimming rerun episodes from its summer cycle, rather than double up in other time slots.

Last Wednesday, ABC aired the 11th episode of "Lost," the one in which Jack (Matthew Fox), in flashbacks, confronted his alcoholic surgeon father. That was after skipping episode 10. Tomorrow night at 10, "Lost" jumps to episode 14, the one in which we find out about the past, and the psychic powers, of little Walt. It turns out he can, among other things, move things around unexpectedly and violently - just like ABC is doing with "Lost."

"I worked really hard pulling some friends of mine into the loop," complained a typically irate fan on one "Lost" fan site message board, "and now I have to explain missing episodes to them?"

The solution, and the salvation, arrives Sept. 6, when the loaded-with-extras boxed-set DVD of the first season of "Lost" is released.

But while that event alone would have been enough to reward fans and stoke them for the start of season two, the August rerun cycle - and its nonrerun herky-jerky approach - is muddying the waters.

ABC should have lived up to its slogan and rebroadcast every episode, or not gone the summer rerun route at all.

I'll chime in on behalf of the no-spoiler police. There isn't stuff in that "ABC's rerun jumble is a 'Lost' cause" post that are spoilers and probably doesn't belong in this "SPOILERS Thread." At the very least, mention that there aren't any spoilers.

Sorry. Couldn't resist. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5949492&&#post5949492)

It's buried in a swf on this site (http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm). Click on "Hurley's Numbers" to bring it up. There's another preview buried in the seat for the new cast member.

It has other things buried in it too. One thing I didn't notice before that it pointed out:
Ethan Rom is an anagram for other man.

http://www.spoilerfix.com/lost.php

Anyone catch the preview of Season 2 where you can see the word Quarantine in red on the hatch???

I haven't seen that.

I did read in Entertainment Weekly that the girlfriend from the sitcom Titus is joining the cast.

I liked her. (on titus)

Does anyone have a screencap of that WORD on the hatch? I would be curious to see.

:)

Man, there is gonna be a lot of hotness in HD on Lost this season.

SERIOUS spoiler thread from Lost-Forum.com:

http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=14177

I'm amazed, but they just might have figured the darn thing out.... I used spoiler tags because this is so big, I really didn't want someone to get spoiled by accident. Read the whole thread, lots of info.

"In 1929, Dr. John Desmond Bernal conceived of the Bernal sphere, a rotating space colony with a diameter of approximately 15 kilometers (9.3 miles), filled with air and colonized around the equator, where the rotation of the colony would create centrifugal force to simulate Earth's gravity.

In the 60s and 70s, speculation and research into the possibility of space colonies experienced a renaissance, brought on by the Space Race. One of the most prominent thinkers participating in the design and advocacy of space colonies was Princeton physicist Gerard O'Neill, who in 1969 asked the provocative question, "Is the surface of a planet really the right place for an expanding technological civilization?" Throughout the 70s, O'Neill led workshops that investigated several proposed space colony designs in great detail. A NASA Summer Study in 1975 investigated three primary designs, dubbed Island One, Island Two, and Island Three. All three are based on the premise of a self-sustaining, artificial ecology within the station, called an arcology.

Spoiler tags in the no spoiler tag thread! Why do we really need two threads.?These threads should be merged. I never know what thread is what.

Spoiler tags in the no spoiler tag thread! Why do we really need two threads.?These threads should be merged. I never know what thread is what.

Read the thread titles.

I don't know if anybody noticed this before (I did a search on 'pre-flight' and on 'check-in'), but on the seating chart at

http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm

If you click Pre-board Check-in, a window comes up that says:

Ethan Rom

and allows you to drag-n-drop the letters into boxes to spell "other man"

When you do this, a video of the scene with the boat people saying "just give us the boy" is displayed.

Sorry if this is old news...

Some screen caps from eps 3&4. Seems the guy on the raft come ashore and meet Anna Lucia and the new character who was on OZ.

Link to Site (http://www.mclaughlinlabs.com/leigh/lost/promopics.htm)

http://www.mclaughlinlabs.com/leigh/lost/s2_ep03_01.jpg

Thanks...Excellent link and pics. I love the big picture of the group, desktop material.

Who's missing from that cast picture. I don't see Walt or the Black Lady (didn't see her during the last 10 or so episodes)

Who's missing from that cast picture. I don't see Walt or the Black Lady (didn't see her during the last 10 or so episodes)

I heard, the lady who played Rose (L. Scott Caldwell) was on Broadway, and unavailable.

Walt was probably in school...

~Dan

I'm new to the Lost series and just watched the entire series over the weekend thanks to a friend's DVD collection. Didn't see this posted yet, but TitanTV.com gives this description for tonight's episode titled "Adrift":

Their raft destroyed, Michael, Sawyer and Jin encounter another predator in the ocean. And on land, the hatch doesn't seem to be any safer. Nikki: Jolene Blalock. Locke: Terry O'Quinn. Sawyer: Josh Holloway. Michael: Harold Perrineau. Jin: Daniel Dae Kim.

I recognize Locke, Sawyer, Michael, and Jin, but who is Nikki? A new character, or has she been on the show before?

from the other thread.

Word has it that T'pol won't be making an appearance tonight after all as it's a Michael-centric episode - the flashbacks are his. And yes, Nikki is a new character, and her appearance will be associated with a Sawyer flashback in a later episode.

Programming Guide for S3, Ep3 says:

Lost
Orientation (New) 10/05/2005 8:00 PM [CT], 1 hr

The hatch begins to yield its secrets to Jack, Locke and Kate. And the survivors of the attack on the raft wonder just who's holding them captive. Helen: Katey Sagal. Desmond: Henry Ian Cusick. Cooper: Kevin Tighe. Francine: Roxie Sarhangi.

Cast & Credits: Matthew Fox, Evangeline Lilly, Dominic Monaghan, Jorge Garcia, Maggie Grace
---------------------
Back to my post cut and pasted a couple above, after viewing Ep. 2: Archiguy - why would the credits list Nikki: Jolene Blalock if she was not in this episode? I wonder if Nikki is Mike's wife? I know she's been on before in Mike's flashbacks, but there were no other women on Ep 2 other than Kate given any amount of time.

And Ep. 3 has Helen, Cooper, and Francine. Hmmm. Who are these folks? (Desmond has been revealed) Maybe they are "others"?

Helen was the name of Locke's phone-sex girl.

Programming Guide for S3, Ep3 says:

Grace
---------------------
Back to my post cut and pasted a couple above, after viewing Ep. 2: Archiguy - why would the credits list Nikki: Jolene Blalock if she was not in this episode? I wonder if Nikki is Mike's wife?

The Guide made a mistake, that's all. Apparently, she's got something to do with Sawyer's previous life, not Michael's. I'll be happy to see her in "civies"; no more silly Vulcan haircut and humorless 'tude.

Over in the non-spoiler thread, a lot of people are whining that the plot is not moving fast enough, and that we're not finding out enough fast enough. But the more they get their wish, the shorter the life of the series (which they don't seem to understand). Lindelof has said (and this is the spoiler part that I can't post over there) that they think they can only sustain this for four or five seasons tops, otherwise it's unfair to the viewers. So the more they reveal, the shorter the run. If the people in the other thread get what they want, the series finale will be this year.

Just venting.

anyone else notice last night that the shark had that logo on it? The logo that's on all the food in the hatch. The showed a quick underwater shot of the shark swimming by and right on the back before the tail was the logo.

(I'm guessing) The island is owned and operated by some corporation and these sharks are branded (or genetically created) by this company as a type of security system.

And how was the last shot of the episode, huh? Seeing the others approaching was so awesome and creepy--it made the whole episode worth the watch.

Except that's not the Others, its the people from the tail section. The others have actual weapons and not cobbled together clubs ;)

The Guide made a mistake, that's all. Apparently, she's got something to do with Sawyer's previous life, not Michael's. I'll be happy to see her in "civies"; no more silly Vulcan haircut and humorless 'tude.Well... I'll miss those "pointy" ears! :D

The Guide made a mistake, that's all. Apparently, she's got something to do with Sawyer's previous life, not Michael's. I'll be happy to see her in "civies"; no more silly Vulcan haircut and humorless 'tude.

This is truly too good to be true. My favorite show (Lost) will have Jolene Blalock in it. IMHO, she is extremely hot. ;)

With all the hype about the first 2 1/2 episodes yielding a ton of answers, I'm expecting big things in the next 30 minutes. ;)

For the Spoiler thread people-

Check this out- http://www.mygeekyplace.net/montauk_project.html

Technically there aren't any spoilers there, but its a big enough coincidence that I didn't think it should go in the main thread.

Over in the non-spoiler thread, a lot of people are whining that the plot is not moving fast enough, and that we're not finding out enough fast enough. But the more they get their wish, the shorter the life of the series (which they don't seem to understand). Lindelof has said (and this is the spoiler part that I can't post over there) that they think they can only sustain this for four or five seasons tops, otherwise it's unfair to the viewers. So the more they reveal, the shorter the run. If the people in the other thread get what they want, the series finale will be this year.

Just venting.IMO, that's a flawed argument. They could reveal every secret the island has to offer in the next few episodes and still have a story that compels viewers to watch for many seasons. The challenges that could remain are not trivial. Just look at all the drama 24 packs into a single day - a whole season. If the length of the series depends entirely upon how slowly they trickle out the "secrets", then I see that as a tremendous lack of imagination.

A trickle reveal may be the foremost goal of these writers. I may be the only one, but if that's the case, I'm not sure how long I'll stay tuned.

Cheers,

Tim

Wiggo, you're right on.

People, just chill, enjoy the ride, and take in the series like fine wine off the vine.

So what's this?

http://www.dharmaindustries.com/

So what's this?

http://www.dharmaindustries.com/

That's a website setup by a fan of LOST.

a fan from Sweden

http://www.kraftkost.se/index.htm

Is anyone able to access?

Wiggo, you're right on.

People, just chill, enjoy the ride, and take in the series like fine wine off the vine.

But some of us drink beer! :D (Damn...where's that beer mug icon when you need it!)

Is anyone able to access?

If you're talking about the "DHARMA INDUSTRIES" website - it's nothing but the swan logo - but yes I can access it.

If you're talking about the "DHARMA INDUSTRIES" website - it's nothing but the swan logo - but yes I can access it.

Did you click on "DHARMA INDUSTRIES"?

Did you click on "DHARMA INDUSTRIES"?

I tried and get an "invalid IP address" warning...then nothing (unless it is of course secretly erasing my hard drive as we speak). I've tried quickly entering "the numbers" while the other numbers are flashing....but nada. If you right click on it, it is a Macromedia Flash object. It is displaying a number series of xx.xx.xxx.xx That is 1 digit shy of 48.15.162.34(2), FWIW.

Anybody see the script page that comes up at the oceanicflight815.com website. Click on the barcode at the bottom of the page and enter theislandiswaiting . Very cool.

any other code words to get more info?

Anybody see the script page that comes up at the oceanicflight815.com website. Click on the barcode at the bottom of the page and enter theislandiswaiting . Very cool.

Hmm, wonder when that script is for. It references Michael knowing Korean now. Also, Zombies? Interesting...but can't really see the show going there. At least not right now.

The header says "Lost #206 'Abandoned' - Production Draft 09/25/05".

I took that to mean season two, episode six at first, however over at

http://www.tv.com/lost/show/24313/episode_guide.html&season=2

they list the eposides as:

25 2-1 Destination Lost
26 2-2 Man of Science/Man of Faith
27 2-3 Adrift
28 2-4 Orientation (this week's ep)
29 2-5 Everyone Hates Hugo
30 2-6 ...And Found
31 2-7 The Hunt
32 2-8 The Other 48 Days

I think this script page, which is the third now "leaked" through various ABC-created websites, is likely to be disinformation or a "red herring" instead of an "easter egg".

It's still fun to "find" these LOST things and it sure helps keep interest in the show up, which is probably what the producers are after anyway...

Mike

I'm still convinced that the show Lost is part of the Dharma Initiative's psychological experiment to see how long they can get reasonable people to watch a show filled with red herrings and try to make sense of it.

Me, I'm in for the run!

Minor correction: Destination Lost was the recap/intro, so my count was off by one all the way down:

25 Destination Lost
26 2-1 Man of Science/Man of Faith
27 2-2 Adrift
28 2-3 Orientation (this week's ep)
29 2-4 Everyone Hates Hugo
30 2-5 ...And Found
31 2-6 The Hunt (and some report this is being retitled to "Abandoned")
32 2-7 The Other 48 Days

There's an article on Rodriguez (http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|97719|1|,00.html) over on Zap2It. Pretty much confirms she's with the second half of the plane and they've been roughing it. I'm guessing this week's episode has Hugo being a pain and bothering whomever's trying to enter in the numbers. Next week's "... And Found" is probably the "finding" of the other group of survivors.

Where did Desmond go, you ask? He'll be back in one form or another. Here's the "guest cast" list from the next 3 episodes:

"Abandoned" Episode: #2.6 - 26 October 2005
Sam Anderson .... Bernard
L. Scott Caldwell .... Rose
Michael Cowell .... Doctor
David Ely .... Intern
Lindsay Frost .... Sabrina
Thomas Gibson .... Greg DeGroot
François Guétary .... Philippe
Kimberley Joseph .... Cindy
Jessica Smith .... Brenda
Ashleigh Ann Wood .... Nora


"The Other 48 Days" Episode: #2.7 - 2 November 2005
Sam Anderson .... Bernard
M.C. Gainey .... Bearded Man


"Cosmos" Episode: #2.8 - 9 November 2005
Marvin Candle .... Dr. Marvin Candle
Henry Ian Cusick .... Desmond
Neil Hopkins .... Liam
Garry Jackson .... Old Nick
Terasa Livingstone .... Lily
Fredd Wayne .... Simon

Where did Desmond go, you ask? He'll be back in one form or another. Here's the "guest cast" list from the next 3 episodes:

"Abandoned" Episode: #2.6 - 26 October 2005
Sam Anderson .... Bernard
L. Scott Caldwell .... Rose
Michael Cowell .... Doctor
David Ely .... Intern
Lindsay Frost .... Sabrina
Thomas Gibson .... Greg DeGroot
François Guétary .... Philippe
Kimberley Joseph .... Cindy
Jessica Smith .... Brenda
Ashleigh Ann Wood .... Nora


"The Other 48 Days" Episode: #2.7 - 2 November 2005
Sam Anderson .... Bernard
M.C. Gainey .... Bearded Man


"Cosmos" Episode: #2.8 - 9 November 2005
Marvin Candle .... Dr. Marvin Candle
Henry Ian Cusick .... Desmond
Neil Hopkins .... Liam
Garry Jackson .... Old Nick
Terasa Livingstone .... Lily
Fredd Wayne .... Simon

YES! More Dr. Candle.

There's an article on Rodriguez (http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|97719|1|,00.html) over on Zap2It. Pretty much confirms she's with the second half of the plane and they've been roughing it. I'm guessing this week's episode has Hugo being a pain and bothering whomever's trying to enter in the numbers. Next week's "... And Found" is probably the "finding" of the other group of survivors.

Nice mustache, Michelle.

Has anybody translated the french words on the map of the island that shows up on http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm
I figured out a few sort of
'THE SEA KNOWS TO DANCE THE LONE OF CLEAR GULFS HAS MONEY REFLECTIONS'
'HAS REFLECT CHANGING AT THE EDGE OF A TANG'
'ARUENT SEA OF'
' ALOND THE GULFS CLEAR'

there is also a few formulas and numbers '.0316 .0965 'radians'

Got Another,

Cote Sauvage = Wild Dimension
Le Cratere = The Crater
'blue Lagoon'
Roc Sous = Under Rock

By The Way This Ia After Going Thru Row A Seats 4 8 15 16 23 42 And When You Get To Shannon The Map Shows Up

one more, one of the numbers on the map is 0316 when looking at the http://www.oceanic-air.com/trackresults.htm page I noticed the landing time of flight 815 is also 0316

THE “MR. TELEVISION” COLUMN
Lost Chances

By Marc Berman MediaWeek Magazine October 24, 2005

Considering there isn't a watercooler out there that isn't bubbling with conversation about ABC's Lost, you would think the future of the Emmy-winning drama would be paved with gold. Lost, after all, ranks No. 3 overall out of 130 shows this season, according to Nielsen Media Research`data in both total viewers (22.4 million) and adults 18-49 (9.0/22), with double-digit across-the-board year-to-year gains. It's the biggest scripted drama hit since CSI.

Pretty damn impressive, don't you think?

Although I could not figure out what creator J.J. Abrams meant when he told me last spring that Lost would look considerably different in season two, I'm now beginning to understand. Instead of focusing on the 48 bewildered castaways who scramble for safety on a mysterious Pacific island after a terrifying plane crash, the mystery of the hatch—the best serialized cliffhanger since "Who Shot J.R." on Dallas in 1980—has revealed an underground system of computers. And the return and ultimate capture of Sawyer, Jin and Michael reveals that the population is increasing on Lost.

If you think there were mysteries in need of solving in year one, just wait. There is now much more than meets the eye on Lost than 48 survivors, an unseen monster, wild boars, a marooned Frenchwoman, jinxed lottery numbers and a dangerous pack of "Others" who may, or may not, have kidnapped young Walt. With all the questions raised in season one, you might have thought we would have had some answers by now. Instead, an entirely new—and frustrating—can of worms has been opened.

Unlike Dallas, which revealed early in the season that troubled Kristin (Mary Crosby) pulled the trigger, satisfying the millions of viewers who debated all summer who did it, on Lost we still—five episodes into the season—don't have a definitive explanation for that hatch (or any of the other mysteries, for that matter). In fact, we've barely even seen the beach. Instead, a good portion of the action takes place in this subterranean habitat where a hermit named Desmond was assigned the bizarre task of saving the world by pressing a button every 108 minutes.

Who is Desmond? How did he get on the island? Are the plane crash survivors part of a large-scale experiment? Will Desmond, who ran off in episode two, be back?

As the survivors of Flight 815 continue to look for answers, viewers might begin to look for the remote, as Lost becomes increasingly difficult to follow. Instead of solving any of the first-season mysteries, season two has raised a ton of new questions that only add to the growing confusion. Even a Rhodes scholar might have a hard time understanding what is happening.

Where is Walt? What happened to Claire when she was kidnapped last season? Did Jack really see his father? How did Locke miraculously regain the use of his legs? Eventually, the answers to these first-season questions are going to have to be solved. After all, you can only tease an audience for so long.

Abrams once told me that his primary concern for any of his shows (dramas Felicity and Alias were his first two) was not the ratings. But what he and co-creator Damon Lindelof need to understand is that the initial appeal of Lost was the complexity of the characters and their situation, and the sense that, little by little, viewers would be let in on their, and the island's, secrets.

I am beginning to worry that Lost is traveling the same route as serialized drama Twin Peaks, which started out strong but ended prematurely just one season later.

After Twin Peaks exploded onto the scene in April 1990 as a must-see murder mystery from avant-garde filmmaker David Lynch, everyone speculated on who killed Laura Palmer. But when season two opened that fall—populated with oddities like dancing dwarfs and towering giants—viewers jumped ship by the millions, and the show was canceled that spring. While the initial success of both Twin Peaks and Lost came from creating a surreal world, you can only go so far without alienating viewers.

I can guarantee that Lost will not be canceled next spring. But unless the writers begin to start tying up some of the loose ends, Lost could very well live up to its title in season three. We need some answers, and we need them now.

Heh, if the writer had done a bit of research they could have answered some of their own questions...

Heh, if the writer had done a bit of research they could have answered some of their own questions...
you shouldnt have to "research" to figure out whats going on in a tv show, i think that was the point of the article.

Got the oceanic-air Inflight Magazine today... Seems that the theory on the lost thread (that someone would "be-other" as opposed to die...) is incorrect.

Here it is (Italics are MINE.. not from this e-mail... and although not very popular, I love that movie REQUIEM FOR A DREAM... read on!):

Oceanic Airlines

Dear Frequent Flyer —

Greeting from the Writer's Room of Lost!

As we careen wildly toward the midpoint of season two, the Writer's Room is working feverishly to continue to provide you with the kind of "Lost" thrills and spills to which you, the viewer, have grown accustomed. Sometimes, that includes changing things up a little bit...

...now, season two is already rife with change - new series regulars in the form of the tail section survivors (or "tailies" as we like to call them - as opposed to the "fusies" of the fuselage section), new mysteries (the Dharma initiative, the elusive Alvar Hanso, the mysterious Desmond), and new challenges - but some of our more daring experiments will come your way not just in the stories, but also in the way we choose to tell them.

During the November sweeps, you will not only be seeing the death of a major character (and we're not telling who it is here!), the tragedy will lead into one of the most unusual and compelling hours we have yet to produce. We won't spoil too much, but let's just say that the intense inside story of the tailies and their trials on the island will be told in a way that will surprise you - and those of you who have gotten used to "Lost's" method of telling stories in the present with flashbacks to the past are going to be thrown for what we hope is a fantastic thrill-ride of a loop on this one.

Beyond the November sweeps, "Lost" is going to continue to find new and exciting ways of telling stories on the island. One of the more thrilling developments going on around here is that director Darren Aronofsky - the daring visionary behind such films as "Pi" and "Requiem for a Dream" - as well as the upcoming Hugh Jackman/Rachel Weisz sci-fi drama "The Fountain" - has just signed up to direct an episode of "Lost..." and you can bet that the blend of the mystery and drama of "Lost" with the visually innovative style of this maverick filmmaker is going to make for some truly awesome television.

Wanna know more? Here are the confirmed titles and writers of some our upcoming episodes...

"Abandoned"
Written by Elizabeth Sarnoff

"The Other 48 Days"
Written By Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse

"Collision"
Written by Javier Grillo-Marxuach and Leonard Dick

And there's a lot more where those came from - as always, stay tuned, and thanks for getting Lost with us!

Shucks, you beat me to posting it. That was a nice teaser article without revealing too much.

and those of you who have gotten used to "Lost's" method of telling stories in the present with flashbacks to the past are going to be thrown for what we hope is a fantastic thrill-ride of a loop on this one.

Wonder what the new method will be in this episode to throw us for a loop? Possibly a show where they've been rescued in the future and they're telling the story of being on the Island in the past as flashbacks? Could be very interesting...

Wonder what the new method will be in this episode to throw us for a loop? Possibly a show where they've been rescued in the future and they're telling the story of being on the Island in the past as flashbacks? Could be very interesting...
I hope not...that would mean they did get rescued, and I think it's too early in the series to answer that question...

~Dan

I received an email containing a theory about Lost. In my opinion, this is the best theory ever. Either the author is really smart or he stole the script from ABC's vault. Anyway, you have been warned. MAJOR SPOILER AHEAD. Here it goes...

Theory written by "Lapense"

Ok, this may be right, and if it isn't then its one of the biggest
coincidences I have ever seen. Theres factual background information in
it to introduce the theory, so bear with it please.

Ok, so here goes.

Something caught my attention in the mural in the hatch that rekindled
some old research knowledge from high school days. I decided to refresh
my knowledge of it, and heres what I came up with (I am referring to
the circle with the dot in it, or the zero with the point...thats how i
said it to myself and thats what started this).

Philosophical Idea Relationship
There is a philosophical concept that describes the return of
consciousness to higher thoughts and awareness. Metaphorically, it
refers to your consciousness spiraling outward towards a higher
awareness. Often referred to as the Zero Point, it is a game that
requires one to create and restore balance and realized that it is just
a game itself. "If you feel a part of your soul in that game called out
to you - with messages about changes there and in our game - then pay
attention - as all things are parallel and move in spiraling motions."
Lets look at the mural Jack looked at in the hatch.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/520/mural9fl.jpg

If you look right above the number 42, you see a circle with a dot in
it. Or is it a Zero with a point in it? Lets move on to the blue,
hieroglyphic eye right above the word "sick". This philosophy also
incorporates many Eye metaphors. One of which being The Right Eye of
Horus, which is a reference to the information stored in the DNA
priests and other people from ancient times (information referring to
Creational Geometry), in which this information will be released at the
end of the world. The color blue makes reference to the end of the
world. This whole philosophy is called "Atlantis Rising". The people
the information was stored in were people who were resident on
Atlantis.

Atlantis
The Lost City. It's location is generally unknown, but theorized
(believed best theorized by the following picture)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Atlantis_map_1882.jpg

Atlantis was an ancient island that sunk years ago. An island with a
mild climate with a power source described as mysterious
electromagnetic crystals. The location above is the proposed location
at that time. But it lies in the middle of a tectonic plate that pretty
much flows around the world. It is speculated to have moved due to
shifts in the plates.

Mayan History
Mayan history also tells of a lost island named Mu. This island is
historically believed to be the same as Atlantis. The Mayans were also
very good at math and astrology, operating off of a number system that
has a base of 20 (like the metric system has a base of 10), they were
able to create a calendar 1000s of years ago that said there are 360
days in a year (which is extraordinarily accurate). This is known as
the Mayan Calendar. The calendar it self predicted the end of the world
in 2012, because it used a deductive math structure. The end of the
world would represent events like their god Quetzalcoatl returning as a
messiah.

The DHARMA Initiative
Created in 1970 by two scientists and funded by the Hanso Foundation,
it is an initiative set up on the island to analyze the geological
phenomena of the island. It was said that there are six stations set up
on the island. We also know from the Hanso Foundation website that they
have different initiatives running as well, including "The Life
Extension Project", "The electromagnetic research initiative", "The
mathematical forecasting initiative", "The cryogenics development
imperative", and "The accelerated remote viewing training facility".

Connecting the Dots
The philosophy of "Atlantis Rising" clearly represents what is
happening psychologically to the castaways (take Locke for a basic
example). The other ideal are too. The Zero Point is on the Mural. The
Blue Right Eye of Horus is also on the mural representing the end of
the world coming "Out of the Blue". And also the Creational Geometry
information to be released (can be represented by the priest found in
the tree, even though he wasn't really a priest, but its still
symbolic).

Other indications of the mural include the Mayan Messiah, Quetzacoatl.
Translated into English as meaning "Feathered Serpent" or "Serpent
Bird", if you really look at the right of the mural, you can see what
can be construed as a bird with its beak wide open around the word
"Sick" (you can even infer a tongue there too). The everything to the
north of it looks like overlapping shapes of similar color (feathers?).
The possibility of this being the monster on the island cannot be
rejected.

We know that something went wrong in the middle of the DHARMA
initiative that requires them to push the button every 108 minutes
(which is the sum of the infamous numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42). But
what went wrong? I propose that the island started to move along the
rifts. The island was stationary to begin with in the Atlantic.
Probably just starting to rise a century or two ago. What do we know
that is that old on the island? The Black Rock of course. If it was
indeed a slave trade ship, it would have been traveling between Africa
and America. It hit the island when it was lower than it is now. Over
the years, the island rose more, which is why there is no beach around
it. Next we have the ship with Rousseau. 16 years ago, her ship was
doing a geological study off of South America only to pick up the
signal and crash there. About 10-12 years ago, a small airplane
containing drugs crashes on the island. Maps of Nicaragua are found on
the plane. Hurley's insane mental patient friend was working a post in
Alaska about 7 years ago, analyzing signals over the Pacific and picked
up the island's transmission. 3 years ago, Desmond's ship gets caught
on the Great Barrier Reef and drifts to the island. And flight 815
crashes on the island, off course between Sydney and America, heading
slightly north towards Fiji. Here is a Tectonic map with specific
locations and times. Note that going by either Antarctica OR Alaska
areas would result in the polar bears on the island.


http://www.geocities.com/pubclear/482594511swyLSE_ph.jpg

And one more picture. This is from Map Quest

http://www.geocities.com/pubclear/482595508zbuoEP_ph.jpg

The star indicates the location with the coordinates of 4.815 Latitude,
162.342 Longitude, or the numbers as coordinates.

And now the Mayan mythology and the connection to the DHARMA
initiative. I mentioned the Mayan Calendar before. In the orientation
video, there is a clip (which I don't have the picture of) with the two
creators of the initiative sitting in there office. On their bookshelf
is none other than the Mayan Calendar. As mentioned before, the
calendar predicted the end of the world in 2012. If we look at the
names of the projects of the Hanso corporation, they certainly do have
a theme of life preservation. I think the DHARMA initiative is not a
study of the island, but a control of the island. Six stations set up
to control the island itself. I think the problem that was encountered
was either the island was rising or it started moving. Pushing the
button every 108 minutes probably prevents the island from rising
somehow. Just as Desmond's partner said when asked why he pushed the
button: "Just saving the world, my friend".

The Others bear a striking resemblance to the scientists in the
orientation video. My theory: once the island started to move, its
location may not be hidden anymore. If someone were to find it, then
they would come to it and ruin the initiative. The same goes for those
who castaway on it. I think the main purpose of the others is to keep
everyone who is on the island ON the island. Take Danielle for example.
She has been there 16 years and instead of focusing on how to get off
the island, she is trying to find her kid. Same with Michael as he
leaving, the Others take Walt, and now Michael doesn't want to leave
(the only guy who knows how to build a raft).

Here's where things get cool
Notable quotes from the producers:
It's important to note," Lindelof says, "that we've never said when the
plane crashed. I think the assumption is that it happened in 2004 when
the show premiered, but we've never said that
Lindelof: "The number [23] is important to the scheme of the show."

The numbers represent the final location of the island before the end
of the world, and the present time is 2012. Remember how I said the
Mayan Calendar predicted the end of the world in 2012? well, more
specifically?

December 23, 2012

It makes sense. In Sayid's first flashback, he lets a girl go during
some war in the Iraq area, and the second flashback says he hasn't seen
her in 7 years and it's the flashback of him before he gets on the
plane. Most of us just assumed he was in the Gulf War era. But it
doesn't add up. If he was serving during, say, the current war, it
would be about 2005 when he let the girl go, thus making 7 years later
2012. Also, the apartment he was in while he was undercover was
ridiculously run down, yet it had a Plasma?!?. Yeah right.

My Theory: The Island is Atlantis/Mu. The DHARMA initiative is
preventing the end of the world as predicted by the Mayan Calendar. The
Numbers are the final position of the Island. The Others are trying to
keep everyone on the Island and keep away the rest of the World. They
are also scientists part of DHARMA. And if you still aren't convinced,
here's this. The DHARMA initiative started in 1970. If it was meant to
run till the end of the world, it was meant to run 42 years.

UPDATE

First off, I would like to clarify a few things about this theory
before I go to add-ons/corrections.

The Sayid example was a loosely based example. It IS true that he
served in the Gulf and he was part of the Republic Guard (or whatever
its called). However, it is ALSO true that we don't know the time of
his first flashback. It is rashly assumptive of one to say that it was
during the Gulf, or while he was in the Republic Guard (he could have
just been serving in general). The example isn't solid, but it isn't
necessarily wrong either.

I NEVER said the Island was moving due to continental drift. I have an
extensive knowledge of geology and physics, and I know that isn't
possible. I was insinuating that something was propelling the Island
and that it would make sense (or make it easier to propel?) to do this
along the faults of the planet.

Also, I am talking about the idea of Atlantis rising out of the water,
both physically as well as metaphorically (psychologically speaking). I
get to that in the updates. And I also realize that information on
Atlantis is varying and unstable; there is no definitive source for it,
which is why my information on Atlantis is small compared to everything
else.

Now for the updates

THE DRUG PLANE
The type of plane that this was is the Beechcraft C-45. THIS IS A
MILITARY VESSEL that was specifically build for World War II as a
variation of the Beech Model 18. Only 4526 were build starting 1933 and
production of the stopped in 1945. THEY ARE ANTIQUE WORLD WAR II BOMBER
PLANES. They can only fly 1140 miles before needing to refuel. Taking
this into account? I need to re-determine where I can place this on the
scale with more research.

Rousseau's Boat
She is French and so is her team. Remember that there is a French
country in South America called French Guiana. Its to the north of
South America?and fits in perfectly with the timeline that I made here.

Desmond
Upon further analysis of Desmond?s account of what's happened, I think
he is lying BIG time to the castaways. When Jack met him in the
flashback in the stadium, he said he was training for "a race around
the world". This can be interpreted in two ways. One: The race actually
spans the distance around the world and it?s a competition. But lets
not forget one thing. Desmond's shirt he was wearing in the flashback
had the DHARMA logo on it. I think he knows everything (the DHARMA
initiative would contain all knowledge of the island). Maybe he meant
he was participating in a race that takes place in a singular point
around the world from where they are at ( i.e. the race is only on the
island). Desmond also said his boat crashed on the reef (assuming Great
Barrier Reef). That places him WAY to far from the Island's location
currently. And remember, he told the castaways that his ship crashed,
similar to what Rousseau told the castaways. If Desmond is lying, then
maybe Rousseau is as well, and the "ship crashing" story is what the
DHARMA initiative tells them to do when talking to people who aren't
affiliated with it. (I am not sure, but I think that Rousseau asked
Sayid when she captured him if he was "him", just like Desmond asked
Locke the same thing)

The Hatches/Black Rock
Isn't it interesting how the hatch seems to be constructed in a similar
fashion to a submarine (appearing to be aquatically sealed). Perhaps
the DHARMA initiative built the hatches while the island was
underwater, before it started "rising". The Black Rock had a hole in
its hull, suggesting that maybe it didn't crash on the island, but some
of the explosives exploded in its journey and it sank onto the island
(all the explosives that were uncovered seem to have residue on them
similar to the kind of residue you would find on an object that has
been underwater for a period of time). Also, Hurley's mental patient
friend with the numbers was monitoring LONG WAVE TRANSMISSIONS when he
heard the numbers. Long wave transmissions are what submarines use
because they can travel underwater through certain depths. Perhaps when
the island rose high enough was when the transmission could be picked
up (16 years ago). Keep in mind that we never heard that transmission.
If each number was stated in a different voice, it could be a
verification system between the hatches, if each one is assigned a
specific number. This would also explain why there is still a hatch(es)
underwater (if in fact there is one underwater).

I have a corrected trajectory map of the islands traveling path that I
will post later. Keep giving me your thoughts so I can make more
corrections/elaborations.

I don't see any real "connecting of the dots" in that theory - mostly just speculation. BTW - there was also speculation about Atlantis in the main LOST thread back in January.

Speculation is not a spoiler. And there is nothing concrete in that speculation. It's all very loose and disconnected.

He says:

Other indications of the mural include the Mayan Messiah, Quetzacoatl.
Translated into English as meaning "Feathered Serpent" or "Serpent
Bird", if you really look at the right of the mural, you can see what
can be construed as a bird with its beak wide open around the word
"Sick" (you can even infer a tongue there too). The everything to the
north of it looks like overlapping shapes of similar color (feathers?).
The possibility of this being the monster on the island cannot be
rejected.

So this guy starts with Messiah=Feathered Serpent=Bird=Bird in Painting=Monster?
Talk about a disconnect. This guy is no where close.

There was one thing in that rambling post that caught my eye, and that is:

"Desmond's shirt he was wearing in the flashback had the DHARMA logo on it."

I didn't notice that. Did anyone else? Anyone still got it recorded and can go back and check? This is a pretty big deal if so, perhaps the question also needs to be posted in the other BIG thread...?

There was one thing in that rambling post that caught my eye, and that is:

"Desmond's shirt he was wearing in the flashback had the DHARMA logo on it."

I didn't notice that. Did anyone else? Anyone still got it recorded and can go back and check? This is a pretty big deal if so, perhaps the question also needs to be posted in the other BIG thread...?

I can't imagine that so many people would have missed the fact that Desmond's shirt in the flashback had the logo on it. I certainly don't remember it.

Here are two posts from the main thread where people had mentioned what they saw on Desmond's shirt in the flashback of the stadium:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6233702&&#post6233702

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6236817&&#post6236817

Oh man, now we need a screen cap of Desmond at the stadium! :eek:

Here is a link to a screencap of Desmond in the stadium. I don't think it looks like the Dharma logo.

http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x01/4/science-faith-cap426.jpg

Here is a link to a screencap of Desmond in the stadium. I don't think it looks like the Dharma logo.

http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x01/4/science-faith-cap426.jpg

Yes, based on that, it's a different shape at least. Wish we could get a higher rez look at it by sharpening up the image the way they do on Alias, 24, etc. ;)

That's definately a CREST of some sort... like a soccer team or something.

I am pretty sure it was a Griffin or some sort of large bird. I noticed it and thought that it looked like a Rugby team emblem when I first saw it. Of course, I have killed a lot of brain cells since then so I could be remembering wrong.

Rousseau's Boat
She is French and so is her team. Remember that there is a French
country in South America called French Guiana. Its to the north of
South America?and fits in perfectly with the timeline that I made here.

Rousseau said her "vessel was 3 days out of Tahiti" when they ran aground.

Its in episode 9 (sayid gets captured by reasueu and Hurley builds golf course) at the 24 minute point (w/o commercials)

They were there before the Red Sox won the series.

I asked this in the other thread but nobody answered. How do you get everyone to show up on the seating chart at oceanic-air.com? Only some show up for me and I can't get more than six seats to show up.

I asked this in the other thread but nobody answered. How do you get everyone to show up on the seating chart at oceanic-air.com? Only some show up for me and I can't get more than six seats to show up.

The only thing I've ever known to do is click on the seat rows for the infamous numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42. Are those the six you get to show up? Hopefully someone else will have more information about it.

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Originally Posted by tdtobat
I asked this in the other thread but nobody answered. How do you get everyone to show up on the seating chart at oceanic-air.com? Only some show up for me and I can't get more than six seats to show up.



The only thing I've ever known to do is click on the seat rows for the infamous numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42. Are those the six you get to show up? Hopefully someone else will have more information about it.

__________________
Jeff in Memphis

Thats what I use to do. I just tried it and now after the video that shows up when you hit the last number it goes to another Lost site http://www.oceanicflight815.com/.

I have no idea how to get any seats to show up now.

Do we know who's gonna die yet?

shannon

If you click on seat H8 one of the seats light up (usually a different one each time but sometimes it repeats). You'll need to reload each time, then click H8 gain to get a new seat number. Some seat numbers won't light up until you have clicked on the current one and I don't think all of the main characters have seat numbers (but I might be wrong on that).

Looks like next week is going to be more boring backstory.

http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-promos/sea2/48days/normal_48days-promo12.jpg

http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-promos/sea2/48days/normal_48days-promo15.jpg

Looks like next week is going to be more boring backstory.

http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-promos/sea2/48days/normal_48days-promo12.jpg

http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-promos/sea2/48days/normal_48days-promo15.jpg

OMG...seeing the teddybear just gave me a very eerie feeling.

Looks like the teddy bear that the "others" were carrying....

I received an email containing a theory about Lost. In my opinion, this is the best theory ever. Either the author is really smart or he stole the script from ABC's vault. Anyway, you have been warned. MAJOR SPOILER AHEAD. Here it goes...

Theory written by "Lapense"

Ok, this may be right, and if it isn't then its one of the biggest
coincidences I have ever seen. Theres factual background information in
it to introduce the theory, so bear with it please.

Ok, so here goes.

Something caught my attention in the mural in the hatch that rekindled
some old research knowledge from high school days. I decided to refresh
my knowledge of it, and heres what I came up with (I am referring to
the circle with the dot in it, or the zero with the point...thats how i
said it to myself and thats what started this).

Philosophical Idea Relationship
There is a philosophical concept that describes the return of
consciousness to higher thoughts and awareness. Metaphorically, it
refers to your consciousness spiraling outward towards a higher
awareness. Often referred to as the Zero Point, it is a game that
requires one to create and restore balance and realized that it is just
a game itself. "If you feel a part of your soul in that game called out
to you - with messages about changes there and in our game - then pay
attention - as all things are parallel and move in spiraling motions."
Lets look at the mural Jack looked at in the hatch.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/520/mural9fl.jpg

If you look right above the number 42, you see a circle with a dot in
it. Or is it a Zero with a point in it? Lets move on to the blue,
hieroglyphic eye right above the word "sick". This philosophy also
incorporates many Eye metaphors. One of which being The Right Eye of
Horus, which is a reference to the information stored in the DNA
priests and other people from ancient times (information referring to
Creational Geometry), in which this information will be released at the
end of the world. The color blue makes reference to the end of the
world. This whole philosophy is called "Atlantis Rising". The people
the information was stored in were people who were resident on
Atlantis.

Atlantis
The Lost City. It's location is generally unknown, but theorized
(believed best theorized by the following picture)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Atlantis_map_1882.jpg

Atlantis was an ancient island that sunk years ago. An island with a
mild climate with a power source described as mysterious
electromagnetic crystals. The location above is the proposed location
at that time. But it lies in the middle of a tectonic plate that pretty
much flows around the world. It is speculated to have moved due to
shifts in the plates.

Mayan History
Mayan history also tells of a lost island named Mu. This island is
historically believed to be the same as Atlantis. The Mayans were also
very good at math and astrology, operating off of a number system that
has a base of 20 (like the metric system has a base of 10), they were
able to create a calendar 1000s of years ago that said there are 360
days in a year (which is extraordinarily accurate). This is known as
the Mayan Calendar. The calendar it self predicted the end of the world
in 2012, because it used a deductive math structure. The end of the
world would represent events like their god Quetzalcoatl returning as a
messiah.

The DHARMA Initiative
Created in 1970 by two scientists and funded by the Hanso Foundation,
it is an initiative set up on the island to analyze the geological
phenomena of the island. It was said that there are six stations set up
on the island. We also know from the Hanso Foundation website that they
have different initiatives running as well, including "The Life
Extension Project", "The electromagnetic research initiative", "The
mathematical forecasting initiative", "The cryogenics development
imperative", and "The accelerated remote viewing training facility".

Connecting the Dots
The philosophy of "Atlantis Rising" clearly represents what is
happening psychologically to the castaways (take Locke for a basic
example). The other ideal are too. The Zero Point is on the Mural. The
Blue Right Eye of Horus is also on the mural representing the end of
the world coming "Out of the Blue". And also the Creational Geometry
information to be released (can be represented by the priest found in
the tree, even though he wasn't really a priest, but its still
symbolic).

Other indications of the mural include the Mayan Messiah, Quetzacoatl.
Translated into English as meaning "Feathered Serpent" or "Serpent
Bird", if you really look at the right of the mural, you can see what
can be construed as a bird with its beak wide open around the word
"Sick" (you can even infer a tongue there too). The everything to the
north of it looks like overlapping shapes of similar color (feathers?).
The possibility of this being the monster on the island cannot be
rejected.

We know that something went wrong in the middle of the DHARMA
initiative that requires them to push the button every 108 minutes
(which is the sum of the infamous numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42). But
what went wrong? I propose that the island started to move along the
rifts. The island was stationary to begin with in the Atlantic.
Probably just starting to rise a century or two ago. What do we know
that is that old on the island? The Black Rock of course. If it was
indeed a slave trade ship, it would have been traveling between Africa
and America. It hit the island when it was lower than it is now. Over
the years, the island rose more, which is why there is no beach around
it. Next we have the ship with Rousseau. 16 years ago, her ship was
doing a geological study off of South America only to pick up the
signal and crash there. About 10-12 years ago, a small airplane
containing drugs crashes on the island. Maps of Nicaragua are found on
the plane. Hurley's insane mental patient friend was working a post in
Alaska about 7 years ago, analyzing signals over the Pacific and picked
up the island's transmission. 3 years ago, Desmond's ship gets caught
on the Great Barrier Reef and drifts to the island. And flight 815
crashes on the island, off course between Sydney and America, heading
slightly north towards Fiji. Here is a Tectonic map with specific
locations and times. Note that going by either Antarctica OR Alaska
areas would result in the polar bears on the island.


http://www.geocities.com/pubclear/482594511swyLSE_ph.jpg

And one more picture. This is from Map Quest

http://www.geocities.com/pubclear/482595508zbuoEP_ph.jpg

The star indicates the location with the coordinates of 4.815 Latitude,
162.342 Longitude, or the numbers as coordinates.

And now the Mayan mythology and the connection to the DHARMA
initiative. I mentioned the Mayan Calendar before. In the orientation
video, there is a clip (which I don't have the picture of) with the two
creators of the initiative sitting in there office. On their bookshelf
is none other than the Mayan Calendar. As mentioned before, the
calendar predicted the end of the world in 2012. If we look at the
names of the projects of the Hanso corporation, they certainly do have
a theme of life preservation. I think the DHARMA initiative is not a
study of the island, but a control of the island. Six stations set up
to control the island itself. I think the problem that was encountered
was either the island was rising or it started moving. Pushing the
button every 108 minutes probably prevents the island from rising
somehow. Just as Desmond's partner said when asked why he pushed the
button: "Just saving the world, my friend".

The Others bear a striking resemblance to the scientists in the
orientation video. My theory: once the island started to move, its
location may not be hidden anymore. If someone were to find it, then
they would come to it and ruin the initiative. The same goes for those
who castaway on it. I think the main purpose of the others is to keep
everyone who is on the island ON the island. Take Danielle for example.
She has been there 16 years and instead of focusing on how to get off
the island, she is trying to find her kid. Same with Michael as he
leaving, the Others take Walt, and now Michael doesn't want to leave
(the only guy who knows how to build a raft).

Here's where things get cool
Notable quotes from the producers:
It's important to note," Lindelof says, "that we've never said when the
plane crashed. I think the assumption is that it happened in 2004 when
the show premiered, but we've never said that
Lindelof: "The number [23] is important to the scheme of the show."

The numbers represent the final location of the island before the end
of the world, and the present time is 2012. Remember how I said the
Mayan Calendar predicted the end of the world in 2012? well, more
specifically?

December 23, 2012

.

The time (2012) is NOT right, at all.

Remember Jack (on the island) and his Dad said something like 'That's why Sox didn't win the Series'? Well, BoSox won it in 2004, ChiSox won it in 2005.

So, the plane crashed in 2004.

It wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility that the writers felt that there was no way that the Red Sox (or White Sox) would win the World Series before 2012. There was a curse and all.

Still, it's impossible the plane crashed beyond 2004.
And I do think they mean Red Sox.

http://rapidshare.de/files/6550202/HansoClassification4-16-81.wmv.html

New Dharma video. creepy

I know what really happened at the end of the last episode if anyone wants to find out let me know.

I have a feeling it looks like Danielle killed Shannon, and Ana killed or wounded Danielle. ;) And Ana use to be a cop.

The show seems to be slowing down each episode as it wanders off in different directions with so many plot lines it's impossible to keep track. There are 10 minutes of last weeks show each week and very little new ground broken and virtually NO 'mysteries' are revealed. I can appreciate what the writers are trying to do but I think they may be LOST in their own creativity and forgot what the show looks like to the viewer. Main characters like Jack and Kate didn't even show up in the last episode and why did we have to endure every footstep thru the jungle as the gang tried to get to the base camp? The flashbacks are somewhat interesting but the real story is on the island and the mysteries that it contains. Come on writers lets step up the pace it's draaaagggginnnnggggg.

My $0.02...

ursa

http://rapidshare.de/files/6550202/HansoClassification4-16-81.wmv.html

New Dharma video. creepy

I know what really happened at the end of the last episode if anyone wants to find out let me know.


Well, it IS the spoiler thread, so I think you should share what you know...

Link didn't work for me, BTW, took me to an ad page for Rapid Share.

Well, it IS the spoiler thread, so I think you should share what you know...

Link didn't work for me, BTW, took me to an ad page for Rapid Share.
That's just rapidshare's look, but it's the correct page.

Click on the link, then scroll down to the bottom and you'll see a button that says "free" Click on that button which will open a new page, again scroll to the bottom, and you will see "Download: HansoClassification4-16-81.wmv" Click on that file and you've got it.

Worked for me.

The show seems to be slowing down each episode as it wanders off in different directions with so many plot lines it's impossible to keep track. There are 10 minutes of last weeks show each week and very little new ground broken and virtually NO 'mysteries' are revealed. I can appreciate what the writers are trying to do but I think they may be LOST in their own creativity and forgot what the show looks like to the viewer. Main characters like Jack and Kate didn't even show up in the last episode and why did we have to endure every footstep thru the jungle as the gang tried to get to the base camp? The flashbacks are somewhat interesting but the real story is on the island and the mysteries that it contains. Come on writers lets step up the pace it's draaaagggginnnnggggg.

My $0.02...

ursa
I feel your pain. ;) I've been griping on the non spoiler thread that the 'security system' has been MIA all season. I think the apparent 'death' of such a major character from season one is more noteworthy than whatever happened to Shannon. YMMV.

http://rapidshare.de/files/6550202/HansoClassification4-16-81.wmv.html

New Dharma video. creepy

I know what really happened at the end of the last episode if anyone wants to find out let me know.

So what really happened if you really have a clue?

So what really happened if you really have a clue?


I heard the same thing this guy did.

I have a feeling it looks like Danielle killed Shannon, and Ana killed or wounded Danielle. ;) And Ana use to be a cop.

I heard the same thing this guy did.

Not saying it's not possible, however, the actress who plays Danielle, Mira Furlan is not listed as a guest star in any episode for the rest of the year. Nor is it in her profile on IMDB or under the LOST IMDB entry. This info is usually added after the actor or actress has been contracted or paid.....

http://rapidshare.de/files/6550202/HansoClassification4-16-81.wmv.html

New Dharma video. creepy

I know what really happened at the end of the last episode if anyone wants to find out let me know.

Where did that video come from? I haven't seen it discussed on any of the Lost boards. Looks like it may have been made by a fan with too much time on their hands. :rolleyes:

There's a lot more where this one came from ....

Will we get any clarification about the numbers this season?
Damon: Carlton might want to punch me for actually going on record and saying this, but I think that that question will never, ever be answered. I couldn't possibly imagine [how we would answer that question]. We will see more ramifications of the numbers and more usage of the numbers, but it boggles my mind when people ask me, "What do the numbers mean?"

http://www.tvguide.com/News/AskAusiello/

From that link:

Are you concerned that Ana-Lucia is beyond redemption? I can't tell you how many e-mails I got from AA readers asking, "When is that bitch going to die?!" Actually, I can tell you: 124.
Carlton: At the beginning of last season, people didn't like Josh Holloway's character either. And by the end of the season, he was one of the most-liked characters on the show. It'll be really interesting to see, as we tell more about Ana-Lucia, whether that changes the audience's perception of her. We think it will.
Damon: In the same moment that we decided Shannon would die, [we also decided that] Ana-Lucia would be responsible for that death. It would be the first time one castaway was responsible for killing another, and it would give so much inherent conflict and trauma [heading to] the merge. We're walking a very tenuous tightrope with her, but we feel that over the course of the next two episodes the audience will hopefully get a better understanding for that character and what she's been through.

Can you confirm that Shannon was, in fact, shot? Fans have been speculating that she looked like she had a stab wound.
Carlton: She was shot.
Damon: People are getting a little too…

They're reaching a little too much?
Carlton: They totally are. And she did not have a Dharma Initiative stamp on her.

So, it should be perfectly clear now. I have to admit that I was on the side of the people that thought that Shannon was killed by someone else.

Well, there remains a tiny bit of wiggle room with the way they used the word "responsible", but it appears that they're confirming that what looks like a stab wound wasn't. However, the statement, "And she did not have a Dharma Initiative stamp on her", was overt sarcasm and came right on the heels of debunking the "stab" premise, which isn't nearly as far out there as the idea that Shannon would have a Dharma stamp on her. Could be that they're sensitive to any criticisms of their "bullet wound" but perhaps there's an attempt to bolster the shooting theory to provide a bigger shock at airing time. Can't wait to find out!

Here is a Q&A with the producers of LostDo you even read the posts? That same link was posted three days and three posts earlier than yours :rolleyes:

Check out the Canadian preview for next week's epsiode. It is much different than the US preview.

http://www.lostlinks.net/promo2.htm

They do not enter the code in time!!!

Sure is! Whoa --- Jack and Kate --- threw me a curve.

Here is another great theory about the island....with visual aids.

http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3377

Here is another great theory about the island....with visual aids.

http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3377

Very impressive, however, that guy should really get a job. Volunteer for the Peace Corps, enlist in the Marines, anything but devote that kind of time to TV show that won't do well in syndication because we'll all know the punch line by then.

The show seems to be slowing down each episode as it wanders off in different directions with so many plot lines it's impossible to keep track. There are 10 minutes of last weeks show each week and very little new ground broken and virtually NO 'mysteries' are revealed. I can appreciate what the writers are trying to do but I think they may be LOST in their own creativity and forgot what the show looks like to the viewer. Main characters like Jack and Kate didn't even show up in the last episode and why did we have to endure every footstep thru the jungle as the gang tried to get to the base camp? The flashbacks are somewhat interesting but the real story is on the island and the mysteries that it contains. Come on writers lets step up the pace it's draaaagggginnnnggggg.

My $0.02...

ursa


I just said the same thing...http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6610453&&#post6610453

I just said the same thing...http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6610453&&#post6610453

Here's an idea. Don't watch.

Well the below site for hanso doesn't work anymore...?!? So, don't know when or if it will be back up...

--------------------------------------

Some new information has been posted to the HANSO Foundation site run by ABC. It is a letter, and a flash video.

If you go to the HANSO (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/) website, and click on the Alvar Hanso link, you'll get a short bio page including a picture of Alvar (from the Orientation video). If you mouse-over the image, you can see a letter flash on top of the photo. Clicking on the image plays a flash movie. The movie shows the bunker computer with someone typing to another person named MOLE.

This looks just like the ending scene in last nights episode where Michael was talking with ???

When the movie has finished, a letter appears from the GHO saying they will be allowed to continue their experiments in Zanzibar.

Whatever this has to do with the show, I don't have a clue, but the info is up there now.

In the upcoming epsiode, Kate and Rousseau find another Dharma station....with a new logo!

http://www.thetailsection.com/gallery/albums/2x15/maternity-promo14.jpg

In the upcoming epsiode, Kate and Rousseau find another Dharma station....with a new logo!

http://www.thetailsection.com/gallery/albums/2x15/maternity-promo14.jpg

WOW! This thread LIVES! I figured it was locked since there hadn't been a post here basically since I'd finally finished digesting the rest of my leftover Turkey day meat!

:p

Still loving the show and all of it's twists, turns and unanswered mysteries.

Have they loosened the "no spoilers" over at the "other thread" ? Or has everyone just given up on reading/posting on this thread ?!?!?

Nope. Other thread is still strictly "No Spoilers"

Nope. Other thread is still strictly "No Spoilers"

Interesting. The 4-5 friends I have who are "LOST" kooks have pretty much gone off the deep end AFA checking up on the hundreds of Lost blogs/sites that have sprouted up on the web. I don't have the time to either check the other thread or scan the various Lost insider sites.

Yet strangely I have the time to pop off a reply here.

Ain't life strange???
:p

Screen caps have been posted for the next three episodes..

http://www.thetailsection.com/

Hmmm...I wonder where the writers are going with this ?
A Dharma front company? Subcontractor? Scientific partner? Competitor? Hostile takeover agent?

CPanther, since you can't make out this tag in the episode, you would consider it a spoiler, no?

I can't believe how few posts are over here...

http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/lockdown-promo06-727388.jpg

There aren't many spoilers available, so this thread doesn't get much activity.

Since the photo isn't from an actual screenshot of the show, we're probably better off just leaving it here.

Hmmm...I wonder where the writers are going with this ?
A Dharma front company? Subcontractor? Scientific partner? Competitor? Hostile takeover agent?

CPanther, since you can't make out this tag in the episode, you would consider it a spoiler, no?

I can't believe how few posts are over here...

http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/lockdown-promo06-727388.jpg

Well, there is the widmore labs connection which of course showed up in the background of the Charlie episode and was on the pregancy test.

Also, I'm not familiar at all with hot air balloons, but if that is supposed to be a basket, it looks like it was originally sealed. But it's hard to get a frame of reference for the size...could a person or two fit in there for a cross the world journey or is that some other part of a balloon that I don't know about unrelated to where a person would ride?

Oh geez......2 more to die??

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/Hulaflake/Misc/Lost2graves4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/Hulaflake/Misc/Lost4.jpg

Looks like the church is coming along in the 2nd pic.
Source of the pics at the Oahu beach set is the lost-forum.

My guess is the two to die, and I voted at the lost-forum is:

Michael and AnaLucia

I bet it is Ana Lucia (becuase of M Rodriguez's legal issues and drinking problem) and the Fake Henry Gale.

Libby and Desmond in a flashback together? Kelvin in the jungle!

http://i3.tinypic.com/vrghw0.jpg

Its rumored that Clancy Brown will be playing Kelvin. How cool is that?
Will Charlie and Eko blow up the hatch? Why???

The description of Libby giving Desmond a boat pretty much wraps up my thought that she is and has been part of Dharma. She is working to get people on the island and in the nut house was watching either Hurley or the guy with the numbers.

Hummm? http://www.comcast.net/entertainment/index.jsp?fn=2006/04/19/229263.html&cvqh=itn_lost

(although her Ex-Life role is said to be just a "guest-starring" one).

From SpoilerFix

Michael Ausiello on tvguide.com reports that the two-hour season finale will be centered around Desmond flashbacks.

Spoilerfix update:

[Note: Sources tell us that Libby will not return next season.]


So I guess she might be one of the 2 that gets killed off :/

I guess technically this could be a spoiler as it was mentioned on GMA that 2 characters were killed on LOST last night. There's speculation about whether Libby is indeed dead, but I don't know if the cast of GMA actually knows that for a fact or not.

oh ****..


http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1592/img03516fw.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9694/hatch5iq.jpg

Nice find!

AL on "Extra" said when asked about Libby: "Maybe she's not dead".

Caught the quick glimpse of Walt on the Lost promo during Grey's Anatomy. I think Bluebeard was standing with him. Was in the middle of a 4 hour Grey's marathon, so I didn't pause and analyze, but he appeared to be pretty tall - maybe not so much that they'll be forced to address it within the show.

Caught the quick glimpse of Walt on the Lost promo during Grey's Anatomy. I think Bluebeard was standing with him. Was in the middle of a 4 hour Grey's marathon, so I didn't pause and analyze, but he appeared to be pretty tall - maybe not so much that they'll be forced to address it within the show.

I'm wondering about that too; saw the promo on 'Prison Break'. Clearly, they just can't ignore the fact that he's grown significantly since the last time he was on the show. My bet is that it will be explained away as some Dharma experiment, perhaps the Life Extension project.

Caught the quick glimpse of Walt on the Lost promo during Grey's Anatomy. I think Bluebeard was standing with him. Was in the middle of a 4 hour Grey's marathon, so I didn't pause and analyze, but he appeared to be pretty tall - maybe not so much that they'll be forced to address it within the show.

A "4 hour Grey's marathon?" CP, you are hereby ordered to turn in your man club membership card immediately.

Walt was on the radio this morning here in Atlanta - Star 94 and they asked him about getting bigger and he said he's only grown 2 inches since we last saw him and it's not going to be addressed in the show. Everyone move along - nothing to see here, folks.

A "4 hour Grey's marathon?" CP, you are hereby ordered to turn in your man club membership card immediately.

:D

My wife and I both love that show. We supposedly had time for one episode cause she was tired, but then had to see the next, then the final 2 hour episode. Couldn't go to sleep knowing there were more episodes to watch.

As far as Walt, addressing the growth is a minor point compared to the fact that he is part of the finale. I'm rooting for him to shoot Michael. :)

oh ****..


http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1592/img03516fw.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9694/hatch5iq.jpg

Why are these images formatted in 4:3? Why not 16:9? This is the HDTV Programming Forum, after all. :)

... I'm rooting for him [Walt] to shoot Michael. :)
LOL :D

Why are these images formatted in 4:3? Why not 16:9? This is the HDTV Programming Forum, after all. :)

They're open matte - feel free to crop. :)

saw the promo on 'Prison Break'.Why would Fox be promoing ABC shows? Wouldn't the American Idol people get upset about that?

Why would Fox be promoing ABC shows? Wouldn't the American Idol people get upset about that?

Sorry, it wasn't PB; but I saw it somewhere (and I, being a virile, studly, manly-man, don't watch 'Gray's Anatomy' like another of my fellow Charlotteans who shall remain nameless ;) ) - maybe Alias?

For those that want to watch the preview with Walt in it, just go to ABC.com. There is also a 1:30 scene from tonight's episode that can be viewed.

Direct Link: http://abc.go.com/fsp/index.html?channel=Lost

For those that want to watch the preview with Walt in it, just go to ABC.com. There is also a 1:30 scene from tonight's episode that can be viewed.

Direct Link: http://abc.go.com/fsp/index.html?channel=Lost

Must... resist...the link! :eek:

Sorry, it wasn't PB; but I saw it somewhere (and I, being a virile, studly, manly-man, don't watch 'Gray's Anatomy' like another of my fellow Charlotteans who shall remain nameless ;) ) - maybe Alias?

Me think he doth protest too much.
- Shakespeare?

Me think he doth protest too much.
- Shakespeare?

:D Just trying to have some fun with the local "Gray's" fan I referenced... (Frankly, I'd probably watch it too if they put Katherine Heigl in a revealing outfit every week instead of a smock. She might be the hottest thing on TV right now.)

It wasn't aired during Alias, only Grey's and Desperate Housewives - take your pick. :D

It wasn't aired during Alias, only Grey's and Desperate Housewives - take your pick. :D

Busted. :(

Look, I swore off that show (DH), I did! Quit watching a few weeks back when it finally did a Dwight Stone over the shark. But my wife, see, she likes it and it was playing in the background while I was perusing my latest issue of Guns & Ammo. ;)

It wasn't aired during Alias, only Grey's and Desperate Housewives - take your pick. :DI don't think that's true, because I saw the ad, but only watch Fox on Sunday nights. I MIGHT have seen it on GMA getting ready in the morning, but I'm not sure.

I was just giving archiguy a hard time. Really wanted to say Grey's & Oprah's Legend's Ball, but Oprah was bumped. :)

Spoiler for next week's episode: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0793130/

Does this show that Ecko & Walt will die?


Episode Cast overview, first billed only:
Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje .... Mr. Eko (2005-)
Naveen Andrews .... Sayid Jarrah
Emilie de Ravin .... Claire Littleton
Matthew Fox .... Dr. Jack Shephard
Jorge Garcia .... Hugo "Hurley" Reyes
Josh Holloway .... James "Sawyer" Ford
Malcolm David Kelley .... Walt Lloyd (2004-2005)
Daniel Dae Kim .... Jin Kwon
Yoon-jin Kim .... Sun Kwon (as Yunjin Kim)
Evangeline Lilly .... Kate Austen
Dominic Monaghan .... Charlie Pace
Terry O'Quinn .... John Locke
Harold Perrineau .... Michael Dawson
Michelle Rodriguez .... Ana-Lucia Cortez (2005-)
Cynthia Watros .... Libby (2005-)

Does this show that Ecko & Walt will die?
No, I think it shows that Walt will leave the show, and the folks with the "2005-" are new this season.

No, I think it shows that Walt will leave the show, and the folks with the "2005-" are new this season. Why "will leave"? If you believe the date, he already left the show (isn't it 2006 now?).

Libby is on the show within a flashback of Desmond's

If it's correct, they should remove Walt's date entirely since he now has appeared in an episode in 2006. The "2005-" is open-ended and is only listed because they were not part of the 2004 portion of the original season. The end date just isn't determined yet. Once there are 2007 episodes, if Libby and AL haven't appeared in 2007, they should put a 2006 at the end.

Even if AL is never to be seen again, they may not put the 2006 date up until the year is over since we are still in 2006.

yeah, what panther said...

From TitanTV.com:

Live Together, Die Alone:

In the second-season finale, Jack and Sayid devise a plan to confront the Others and rescue Walt after discovering something strange just offshore. And Eko and Locke come to blows as Locke makes a potentially cataclysmic decision regarding the "button" and the hatch. Flashbacks follow Desmond (Henry Ian Cusick) and explore the hatch's history from his point of view. Mr. Friendly: M.C. Gainey. Kelvin Inman: Clancy Brown. Alex: Tania Raymonde. Ms. Klugh: April Grace.

Harold Perrineau on The View, some interesting quotes:

"Originally, they said you are not going to be here on season 3" and said they filmed him and Walt sailing out to the horizon as the folks on the dock left. But then he said he was confused last night, because that scene wasn't there and it was much more open-ended.

And when he asked should he look for another job, the producers apparently said yes, but told him to say "if you see me someplace else, do not count that as information about Lost"

And "we had originally talked about Michael coming back season 4 and finding them...and there's a whole rescue, and we get off the island."

A couple of interesting things from the Podcast:

The guy in the bunker at the end was *not* Jack (we've confirmed this via IMDB.com).

The "monster" will be back next season.

We actually "saw" the monster in Season 2, but we may not have known we did. (I can only guess that this means the black smoke/mist)

Much of next season will be about what happens to Jack/Kate/Sawyer. (I guess we can infer from this that they will not quickly escape/be-rescued)

Desmond is probably not dead. (they talked alot about how dumb it would be to kill him off when his love interest has just popped up)

The 4-toed statue probably doesn't mean alot right now. (red herring?)

In season 3, we will find out how Locke ended up in a wheelchair and how Jack got his tattoos.

Season 3 will continue to be more character-driven and will continue to deal less with the "Mythology." (Reminds me of the X-Files.)

As I said in the No-Spoilers thread, 90% of the podcast was a waste of time (lots of stupid, juvenile, off-topic yammering) but the few tidbits are worth it.

Today's local paper has an interview with Harold Perrineau (Michael on Lost) by Terry Morrow of the Scripps Howard News Service. Talks about his thoughts on Michael's character for the upcoming season.

http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=LOST-TV-06-02-06

That's bizarre, he won't even be used in flashbacks so it's see you later Michael, have a nice life and he is effectively completely removed from the story. This sort of makes the scene of him leaving in the boat pretty much meaningless. IMO, it's a very weak conclusion to the storyline of a MAJOR character...he escapes the island, end of story, weird...I have to think that Walt will somehow return to the island as he was one of THE major plotlines of both seasons.

I guess the point is that because Michael left the island never to return, it tells the audience that you can in fact leave the island.

I agree. Not only is his character written off in a very unsatisfactory manner, he also is apparently going to literally get away with murder! C'mon, that just doesn't happen on network TV where everyone is supposed to get their just desserts. Something smells fishy about this. Maybe Harold has been instructed to plant disinformation or the producers may have plans to bring him back in follow-on seasons.

As for Walt, he left with Michael, so he's probably gone for good too. Especially, if faux-Henry is to be believed, the Others have gotten more than they expected from Walt; perhaps his usefulness to them has come to an end. And besides, the boy is growing like a weed. They hid it pretty well in the last ep because his face still looks the same, but it would have provided a problem down the line. They had to get rid of him. If so, I do hope they resolve the dripping-wet and backwards-speaking sudden appearances thing. (My bet is on Dharma "remote viewing" experiments.)

Yes, it really leaves the impression that they're writing this show by the seat of their pants. Naively, no doubt, I had hoped that there was a bit more cohesiveness and strength in the storylines, but apparently not. To be honest, this really gives me pause to reassess the value of any of the "clues" or sub-plots in this show. The whole subject of Walt's unusual abilities and his value to the Others is now a moot point..? It's a bit disappointing...

Personnaly I don't think Walt was on the boat. I think he was "Remote Viewing" himself there. Henry Gale said "He's (Walt) one of us now" or something like that.

Personnaly I don't think Walt was on the boat. I think he was "Remote Viewing" himself there. Henry Gale said "He's (Walt) one of us now" or something like that.
Didn't Michael hug Walt? I would think it would be hard to hug a remote viewing person...?

If Walt's not on the boat with Michael, won't he raise heck once he gets out?

The guy did everything he did to save his son. He's not supposed to talk once he gets out so no one will find out he murdered people...but if he did all that for Walt and Walt didn't really leave with him, I would assume he'd forgo all the "I don't want to get in trouble for the murders" stuff to again try to get Walt back. Which means he'd tell people about the crash and the island.

I think Walt had to be on the boat with him. His character would not just give up once he figured out Walt wasn't really there.

The quote about moving away from the mythology stuff upsets me. That's what people watch the show for. That's why all these websites have popped up. That's why these "games" exist. If they're planning to have less of it in the next season, it tells me they may be running out of story. Easiest way to patch that up? Add more meaningless flashbacks that have a nugget or two of relation to the real story. It cheapens the show and allows them to prolong the series. Eventually, people will get fed up (see the X Files, as mentioned above).

A couple of questions above were addressed in the podcast as well.

They warned viewers that just because Perrineau is not signed for next season does NOT mean he won't return in following seasons.

As for "seat of the pants," they addressed that question (from a viewer) that they never introduce anything without having thought it through to the conclusion. The example was brought up about the hatch. When they had Locke/Boone find it in Season 1, it was already throught through to its destruction in Season 2.

Believe it or not, of course...but that's what they said.

Yes, it really leaves the impression that they're writing this show by the seat of their pants. Naively, no doubt, I had hoped that there was a bit more cohesiveness and strength in the storylines, but apparently not. To be honest, this really gives me pause to reassess the value of any of the "clues" or sub-plots in this show. The whole subject of Walt's unusual abilities and his value to the Others is now a moot point..? It's a bit disappointing...

I suspect they'll continue to expand on Walt's abilities and why they wanted him next season; they won't just let that whole plotline die. However, as I said above, they had to get Walt off the show somehow because the boy has a bad habit of continuing to grow! (Maybe they should have cast Gary Coleman instead.) ;)

Everything I've seen indicates to me that they are not just "winging" it from "the seat of their pants". We've seen several small things in S-1 that popped back up with significance in S-2. This ain't '24', which they admittedly write on the fly, or, Heaven forbid, 'The X-Files'. It's far more well thought out than that. I've got faith in the writers and producers; everyone should. They haven't let us down so far.

Well, I do hope they continue with Walt's storyline as I will be disappointed if it's left to fade away as it would seem to be a major part of the overall story.

The most recent Podcast made during Comic-Con in San Diego had some interesting prospects mentioned:

The possibility of an underwater hatch.

Desmond definitely is returning next season.

Check out the new DHARMA video. It explains everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPCCcXarkc

Check out the new DHARMA video. It explains everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPCCcXarkc

wow. That was more explanation than we got in all of season 2.

From what I understand, the producers had a big hand in what went on with this online "lost experience" game that produced this, right? Are we to assume this is canon and will be explored on the show at some point?

(all this is assuming the clip isn't a fake, but from what I can tell it really did come from the scattered clips that had to be gathered as part of the Lost game.)

Evangeline Lilly on the Jimmy Kimmel show last night: She will "hook up" with either Jack or Sawyer in season 3.

Evangeline Lilly on the Jimmy Kimmel show last night: She will "hook up" with either Jack or Sawyer in season 3.

I don't think they could drag out another Season of sexual tension between them...that should be pretty obvious to everyone now

wow. That was more explanation than we got in all of season 2.

From what I understand, the producers had a big hand in what went on with this online "lost experience" game that produced this, right? Are we to assume this is canon and will be explored on the show at some point?

(all this is assuming the clip isn't a fake, but from what I can tell it really did come from the scattered clips that had to be gathered as part of the Lost game.)

I was waiting until just before the new season started to catch up on all the summer off the air stuff to be put together. Probably saved my sanity in the process. Now that I have seen this video, I'm guessing the Lindelhof and Cuse wanted to get some backstory out there for those nuts who really wanted to know what the numbers were and what DHARMA is about. I imagine this video is going to be played during an episode sometime early in the season.

Does anyone want a new spoiler topic for this season? Or is this one fine?

This thread is fine, but I want some spoilers!!!!

:eek:

I've read some interesting things from the other web sites. There is an underwater hatch that Jack is in. They use it for dolphin and shark testing. There is also a bear cage that bears have to learn how to get food by doing certain things.

The biggest spoiler that I've read is that there is a town on the island that the others live in that looks normal with houses and other buildings.

I've also seen some pictures that make it look like Lock will go def and will have to write what he wants to say on paper. Desmond will be naked and have to wear one of Hurleys big shirts that makes him looks like he is wearing a dress. There will be a flashback where Lock meets Boon as a young boy on a farm. Young Boon wears a Geranmo t shirt which is what one of the records in the hatch is.

This is all that I can think of that are spoilers. Please add more and discuss.

For a few weeks now, AICN.com has had a list of all the "flashbacks" for the 2nd half of LOST Season 3 posted. While any inside info on the net should be taken with a grain (or pound) of salt, the AICN list has been accurate up until now. So my guess is the following spoiler info is true.

My main interest in this has to do with the fact that some have complained that the "answers" to the various LOST mysteries were getting put on the backburner during S3, replaced by more "character" based stuff. I myself have enjoyed S3 a lot, and always knew that answers would come to the patient. Well, with what's gone down in the last couple of episodes, I think some answers (or at least partial answers) are coming down the pike before the end of S3. At this rate, the recently hypothesized 5-season run of LOST could work without running out of gas before the end.

Here's the batting order for LOST flashbacks thru the season finale.


3.16 Juliet Burke (the 4/11/07 episode)--Nice clues to the Others and their reasons for being there--and Juliet's current deception revealed in flashback form was nice. "See you in a week". Hmm..

3.17 Desmond Hume-always love the Desmond flashbacks.

3.18 Jin & Sun Kwon-more screentime for the beautiful Sun is always good.

3.19 Jack Shephard-interested to see what this one deals with. More with the ex-wife, maybe?

The last 3 are, to me, the most compelling...

3.20 Karen & Gerald DeGroot

Yes, folks. Flashbacks centered on the DeGroots, the founders of the DHARMA INITIATIVE. This could be the biggest "answers" episode of the season. Or the one to piss us all off the most! ;)

3.21 Charlie Pace

Seems that when a character is gonna get killed off, the episode's flashbacks usually center around that doomed character. Psychic Desmond says Charlie is doomed. Could this be the one? Would be one hell of a way to lead up to the S3 finale that features....

3.22-23 Benjamin Linus

If the finale centers around Ben flashbacks, I'd be willing to bet some elements of the big LOST mysteries (at least the ones pertaining to the Others) will get some light shed on them in the S3 finale. And we'll get a pisser of a cliffhanger, too. Abrams, Lindeloff, Cuse and Co. know that this one better tackle at least some revealing info while baiting us for S4. Doubt they disappoint.

After this, it might be a big wait until Jan '08. But I can wait if it means S4 is "non-stop".

So nice to see some actual posts on this thread! Thanks!

i think the cliffhanger will be a shocker too shock everyone, i think someone who is well trusted is a other or atleast not who they say they are, and maybe the first signs of them actually getting off the island, kinda like desmonds g/f who u thought found him at the season finale last year, but never really heard much after that. I also dont think Charlie will be the only death of a lostie this year

3.19 Jack Shephard-interested to see what this one deals with. More with the ex-wife, maybe?


Doubtful Julie Bowen will make another appearance on LOST this season. She was preggers and apparently her water broke on the set of 'Boston Legal' last week. Assuming they've already filmed LOST 3.19, Julie would have been very noticeably pregnant during that period - probably not conducive to her part-time role as Jack's non-pregnant wife. Although I'm sure she would have enjoyed an all-expenses paid trip to Hawaii for a few days. :)

Doubtful Julie Bowen will make another appearance on LOST this season. She was preggers and apparently her water broke on the set of 'Boston Legal' last week. Assuming they've already filmed LOST 3.19, Julie would have been very noticeably pregnant during that period - probably not conducive to her part-time role as Jack's non-pregnant wife. Although I'm sure she would have enjoyed an all-expenses paid trip to Hawaii for a few days. :)


Did not know that about Ms Bowen. So, yeah...she may not be part of the next Jack-centric episode.

OTOH, last night's episode (Juliet flashbacks) got me thinking about what you mention about having 3.19 in the can already. The scenes of the flashback to the beginning of S3 ("Others-ville" and their view of the 815 crash) went on longer with Juliet and Ben's conversation. This could have been filmed recently and CG'ed into the existing footage (a la Nikki and Paulo flashbacks). Or it was all filmed at the same time and we only saw the rest of that scene (or is there more for the future?) this week?

Could be that Julie Bowen and other actors playing "flashback" parts could have scenes in the can already. Would support the theory that the creators do have this whole story planned out after all. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

Just as soon as I find this thread to post my "spoiler", it get changed!!!!

Posted today @ AICN.com:

LOST To Drop The Flashbacks!!!! …… For One Episode!!



A highly-placed insider has just set my hinder straight on the batting order for the final episodes of “Lost” this season.

The bad news? As reported by TV Guide’s Michael Ausiello, the season will indeed not end with a Benjamin Linus flashback two-parter.

The good news? We’ll be getting Ben’s flashbacks even sooner! He’ll be the focus of 3.20, the episode previously believed to be DeGroot-centric. (If you’re thinking Dharma masterminds Karen and Gerald DeGroot will still turn up in that episode, I’d guess you’re thinking right.)

The shocking news? After years of privately and publicly nagging the producers of “Lost” to cut back on the flashbacks, I can report that 3.19 is slated to be the first-ever flashback-free episode in the series’ history.

The absent flashbacks for that episode, says my source, “won't even be missed.”

“The episode,” he or she adds, “focuses on one of season one's ‘mysteries’ - if that's the right word.”

What I am assured is the true flashback order:
3.17 Desmond Hume
3.18 Jin & Sun Kwon
3.19 no flashbacks!
3.20 Benjamin Linus
3.21 Charlie Pace
3.22-23 Jack Shephard

looks like FB is back in LOL although another spoiler tracker still has it as no fb

UPDATE!! LOST NOT
To Drop The Flashbacks!!
I am – Hercules!!

UPDATE!! Another reputable source told us late last night that 3.19 WILL contain flashbacks, and they'll be Locke flashbacks. So I called my original source (the one who said no flashbacks for 3.19), and that source said my latter source was right. The original source got confused because all of Locke's flashbacks are very RECENT flashbacks. All apparently take place on Dharma Island (or thereabouts) subsequent to Ben reintroducing Locke to his daddy (the last time we all saw Locke). So the real, true and now double-confirmed flashback order is:

3.17 Desmond Hume
3.18 Jin & Sun Kwon
3.19 John Locke
3.20 Benjamin Linus
3.21 Charlie Pace
3.22-23 Jack Shephard

Apologies for the mix-up!!

END OF UPDATE!!

Just couldn't resist.

Came across this today @ AINC.com:



A Bit Of Scoopage On
LOST's Season Finale!!


The “Lost” season finale is out there. Someone billing himself as “lostfan108” just sent us what appears to be a rundown of the whole shebang, this week’s episode and next’s. If it’s fakery, it’s one of the best forgeries I’ve ever seen in my long tenure here at Ain’t It Cool News. I was thinking it might even be an elaborate foiler manufactured by the “Lost” writers, but candidly it’s too good to waste on fooling us. Many details on this week’s episode – heretofore unrevealed details we’ll be able to confirm on Wednesday - are included, adding to the missive’s air of legitimacy. If it’s legitimate, as I believe it to be, the season finale contains by far the biggest reveal of any season finale yet.

ABC says of the finale:

"Through the Looking Glass" - Jack and the castaways begin their efforts to make contact with Naomi's rescue ship, on the season finale of "Lost.”

"Lost" stars Naveen Andrews as Sayid, Henry Ian Cusick as Desmond, Emilie de Ravin as Claire, Michael Emerson as Ben, Matthew Fox as Jack, Jorge Garcia as Hurley, Josh Holloway as Sawyer, Daniel Dae Kim as Jin, Yunjin Kim as Sun, Evangeline Lilly as Kate, Elizabeth Mitchell as Juliet, Dominic Monaghan as Charlie and Terry O'Quinn as Locke.

Guest starring are M.C. Gainey as Mr. Friendly/Tom, Tania Raymonde as Alex, Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert, Blake Bashoff as Karl, Andrew Divoff as Mikhail, Ariston Greene as Jason, Sonya Walger as Penny, Mira Furlan as Rousseau, Brian Goodman as Pryce, Marsha Thomason as Naomi, L. Scott Caldwell as Rose, Sam Anderson as Bernard, Lana Parilla as Greta, Tracy Middendorf as Bonnie, James Lesure as Dr. Hamill, Nigel Gibbs as funeral director, Loreni Delgado as pharmacist, Larry Clarke as customer and Kate Connor as doctor.

"Through the Looking Glass" was written by Carlton Cuse & Damon Lindelof and directed by Jack Bender.


What ABC is not telling us:

* We do not get a lot more information this season about Richard Alpert and the island’s other natives.

* We do not get a lot more information this season on the Dharma Initiative or the Hanso Foundation.

* We do not learn a lot more this season about Jacob.

* We don’t learn more about the four-toed statue.

* Christian Shepherd is not discovered alive.

* Libby does not appear.

* We will learn something huge about Kate.

* We get a major clue related to the “other” Oceanic 815 that boasted no survivors.

* We’ll be meeting new characters, not all of them in flashbacks.

* Rousseau’s original Frenchy broadcast from the pilot plays a role this week.

* There is much death in the finale.

* Yet another original cast member goes the way of Boone and Shannon.

* A long-absent regular returns. And that regular is not listed among ABC’s cast list.

* We will see Terry O’Quinn at least one more time before the season ends.

* We see a new side of Hurley.

* Desmond does not sacrifice himself to save Charlie.

* There’s a big reveal involving Naomi and Penelope.

* Between now and 2008, fans may scratch holes in their heads wondering how this show is going to continue next season.

* The huge huge huge HUGE season-ending reveal resides in Jack’s very dark flashbacks, so watch them very carefully.



Chew on that, spoiler fans. The next 2 weeks should prove intriguing.

And just as others we're complaining about another Jack-centric episode..... ;)

Well. If I ever saw a document begging for a parody response, its this one.

A Bit Of Scoopage On
LOST's Season Finale!!

What ABC is not telling us:

* We do not get a lot more information this season about Richard Alpert and the island’s other natives.
However, much is revealed about his brother Herb, and The Tijuana Brass

* We do not get a lot more information this season on the Dharma Initiative or the Hanso Foundation.
However, two other completely mythical organizations will be introduced so that the same types of questions concerning Dharma and Hanso can be raised, and we still won’t have to answer them.

* We do not learn a lot more this season about Jacob.
Because we’ve already learned so much about Jacob through the incessant speculation of our audience. :rolleyes:

* We don’t learn more about the four-toed statue….
...until season five. However, for the benefit of our loyal fans, we will be introducing a new five-toed staute in season four to encourage lengthy discussions about the incongruous toe count between the two.

* Christian Shepherd is not discovered alive.
This will be part of a special online puzzle for our fans, to see how large a percentage can figure out it means that Christian Shepherd is DEAD.

* Libby does not appear
after having been found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice.

* We will learn something huge about Kate.
If you are fortunate enough to have Showtime, keep your eye out for the new season of The “L” word.

* We get a major clue related to the “other” Oceanic 815 that boasted no survivors.
Think time-travel, inter-dimensional space, wormhole, cloning and whatever other silly nonsense you can dream up to explain why this series makes no sense.

* We’ll be meeting new characters, not all of them in flashbacks.
IOW, more of Desmond’s flash-forwards.

* Rousseau’s original Frenchy broadcast from the pilot plays a role this week .
(Crackle static) “Tish, you know I can’t control myself when you speak French (Crackle static)

* There is much death in the finale.
Everyone on the Lost set are much too lazy to learn proper grammar, so they hired the Geico cavemen.

* Yet another original cast member goes the way of Boone and Shannon. (see Something huge about Kate above)

* A long-absent regular returns. And that regular is not listed among ABC’s cast list.
Vincent returns. And he’s pissed there’s no Dharma kibble left.

* We will see Terry O’Quinn at least one more time before the season ends.
He will appear as Jacob again, but this time, with the lights on.

* We see a new side of Hurley.
Pass. Too easy. We’ll let someone else take a crack at this one.

* Desmond does not sacrifice himself to save Charlie.
a/k/a Claire buys the farm.

* There’s a big reveal involving Naomi and Penelope.
(see Something huge about Kate above)

* Between now and 2008, fans may scratch holes in their heads wondering how this show is going to continue next season.
Between now and 2008, fans may scratch holes in their heads wondering WHY this show is going to continue for the next three seasons.

_____________________________________________________
Palladin

Chance favors the prepared mind

I have a real problem with this spoiler tease stuff they keep doing over there.

If you have spoilers, post them. Quit making big headlines saying you do only to vaguely and cryptically reference spoilers you yourself have seen without actually spilling the beans.

Most of us are big boys. We can decide if we want to read the spoilers or not. If you're so concerned that people will take the spoiler info and go tell it to people who don't want to hear it, don't tell us you know anything to begin with.

Supposedly, the season ends with a big mega-cliffhanger about Jack that turns the whole show upside down. A real mindfrak that will blow our minds. Personally, I don't want to know what that is, so I hope if anybody finds out, they put in spoiler tags, even in this thread. They didn't post that over at AICN, even though they know what it is.

Evangeline Lilly was on one of the late night talk shows last week and she said when she read the script for the final episode of the season the hair stood up on the back of her arms.

Supposedly, the season ends with a big mega-cliffhanger about Jack that turns the whole show upside down. A real mindfrak that will blow our minds. Personally, I don't want to know what that is, so I hope if anybody finds out, they put in spoiler tags, even in this thread. They didn't post that over at AICN, even though they know what it is.

Here is the big mind frak that everyone is talking about, read it at your own risk.

In Jack's flashback we see that he is tormented, he is doing drugs, he watches his ex-wife have a baby with another man, we see him stealing drugs, he is spiraling out of control. He then goes to see someone and we discover it is KATE. For the first time we realize we are now watching not a flash back but a flash forward. Jack and Kate where rescued. They are back home. Jack keeps screaming at Kate that they need to go back to the island. Kate says no and leaves. Jack freaks out and keeps screaming they have to go back.

Nope, ain't going to do it. Thanks for putting it in spoiler tags, though. Now, let's please not get into a discussion about this or I'll have to avoid this thread for the duration. Little, minor spoilers I don't mind, and kinda' enjoy, but not something that's reputedly this big.

I'm with you, Archi.

I'm sitting here, staring at that big block of white space and IMMENSELY tempted.

But, if this is as good as reported (and put goosebumps on Evangeline's arms - something I bet the hobbit can't do), it's worth the wait.

But, if this is as good as reported (and put goosebumps on Evangeline's arms - something I bet the hobbit can't do), it's worth the wait.

I dunno, Hobbits have those really big furry feet, and you know what they say.... :D

What are you saying, he tickles her with his big hairy feet? :D

I just read the Big Spoiler. I can't help it. I'm just curious like that. I just figured I would give my impression of it, without revealing any of it. If true, it really is a huge deal that should be a really cool reveal at the end of the episode and will likely be worse than the "What's in the Hatch" of the first season cliffhanger as far as being a frustrating wait. If you haven't read the spoiler yet, and can manage to resist doing so for the next two weeks, congrats to you. The payoff should be well worth it.

I just wanted to say that it really is as big a spoiler as has been said before. So read at your own risk.

I try to avoid spoilers like the plague, but we're all going to know this within the next week anyway, and then this show disappears for god knows how long, so WTF...

Here is the big mind frak that everyone is talking about, read it at your own risk.

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(I deleted the spoiler so it won't show up in someone's e-mail inadvertently). :)

Okay, now that I've read it, assuming its actually true (and I have my some doubts about certain aspects of it), I think there is a very good chance that by 2010, this series will unfortunately be remembered as a monument of epic proportions to the self-indulgent stupidity of Hollywood and will
supplant Bobby Ewing's shower dream of the past year in 'Dallas' as the most inane plot twist in television history,
perhaps something like Lost Island is reality and the REST of the planet is purgatory, or that Jack is the one that's nuts and Hurley is his seriously overweight therapist. (complete idle speculation so it doesn't really count as a spoiler anyway) :)
In any case, I got a bad feeling that even though I'll 'pay the check' of watching it through, I'll probably be cancelling my credit card before this charge hits the account! :(

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Chance favors the prepared mind

When I saw the title of the Episode, I immediately thought about Star Trek. "Through the Looking Glass" is a very famous Star Trek episode where we see an alternate reality. A parallel universe of "how might things have turned out differently if only X happened?"

After reading the spoiler tag, I have to ask when the Lost producers plan to send their royalty check to the Star Trek people.

It's funny that you mention Dallas. Instead of the Bobby Ewing shower scene in Dallas, it seems more akin to the Dallas finale, when JR saw how things would have turned out for everyone else if only he were never born.

When I saw the title of the Episode, I immediately thought about Star Trek. "Through the Looking Glass" is a very famous Star Trek episode where we see an alternate reality. A parallel universe of "how might things have turned out differently if only X happened?"

After reading the spoiler tag, I have to ask when the Lost producers plan to send their royalty check to the Star Trek people.
Well, to be fair, that royalty check should be directed to the creative team of ST TOS, since 'Through the Looking Glass' was in many respects, just a re-working of 'Mirror Mirror'. :)

It's funny that you mention Dallas. Instead of the Bobby Ewing shower scene in Dallas, it seems more akin to the Dallas finale, when JR saw how things would have turned out for everyone else if only he were never born.
Okay, you have me at a disadvantage here, as I was not a regular viewer of Dallas, and only saw some episodes because my girlfriend at that time WAS. However, once they pulled the 'Bobby Stunt', I had sufficient ammunition to placate the GF, and refuse to sit through the show any longer. ;)

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Palladin

Chance favors the prepared mind

When I saw the title of the Episode, I immediately thought about Star Trek. "Through the Looking Glass" is a very famous Star Trek episode where we see an alternate reality. A parallel universe of "how might things have turned out differently if only X happened?"

After reading the spoiler tag, I have to ask when the Lost producers plan to send their royalty check to the Star Trek people.



Well, one of the reasons JJ Abrams isn't a fixture around LOST these days has to do with that TREK movie he's working on.....coinidence? ;)

Read it.

Not what I expected. And not "ruined" for me. Still gotta see how this plays out.

Okay, since some of you like the spoilers, here goes, all the juicy dish on the final episode. I'll break it down into sections.

Fate of Locke:

Locke is just about to kill himself in the Dharma grave pit that he fell into after Ben shot him when he hears a voice telling him not to. He looks up to see...WALT!! Walt helps him out of the pit and then disappears. No sign of Michael, and there's no explanation about where Walt has been or what happened to him or Michael.

Locke then makes it to the Radio Tower -- and gets there in time to kill Naomi just before she makes the rescue call. He throws a knife straight into her back. Jack can't understand what Locke is doing and tells him that he'll have to shoot him to stop him from making the call himself. Locke threatens to kill Jack, but then backs down.

Jack makes the rescue call -- and someone on the other end answers.

Charlie's fate:

Charlie dies trying to unblock a jamming signal so they can use the satellite phone. Mikhal is there and uses a grenade, blowing up the jamming device but killing Charlie in the process (earlier in the episode Desmond tells Charlie he will die down there but he has to do it to save Claire).

Penny's info:

Just in case you didn't read Charlie's fate, when that thing happens to him I talked about, he sees a transmission from Penny and Penny denies even knowing anything about Naomi.

Lots of interesting stuff. Lets see if it all pans out (this guy hasn't been wrong yet though so we will see).

Hmm no spoilers about Ezra James.

Hmm no spoilers about Ezra James.

Sorry, who is Ezra James?

Sorry, who is Ezra James?
Think of him as "Sharkboy" ;) , without the "Lavagirl" (she'll show up at the end of Season 6 , when the volcano erupts).

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Think of him as "Sharkboy" ;) , without the "Lavagirl" (she'll show up at the end of Season 6 , when the volcano erupts).

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Oh got it, had to look it up, that shark that attacked the boat. Never knew they gave it a name.

Why are there tags on things. this is the spoiler section. if ya dont want to know you shouldnt be lookin...

Jan is so far away as I know so well since my Bday is in Jan... Maybe a show will tank and they'll throw up this season til then. even though I'll have the dvd's.

Nevermind someone already posted it., sorry for the double post.