So did anyone calculate the amount of actual Grays out of a 2 hour episode ? It seemed in the second half of the episode there was more commercial time than episode time.

I was glad that I was able to watch all 3 hours in a row tonight. They seemed to keep the drama a little more grounded than the Hand Grenade episode(s).

However, for a series that has done so well at maintaining numerous storylines since episode 1, I was a little bummed that the season finale stories are pretty much the same as the end of season 1.


It would be great if we could get House and Bailey to switch hospitals for a couple of weeks next season.


Dave B

I can't believe there's not more chat about this show here. It was a fantastic season finale. Is Katherine Heigl ("Izzie" Stevens") off of the show next season? She was pretty much the only eye candy on the show.

Oh, by the way, I didn't really notice how many commercials there were. However, I did notice I was hitting the 30-second skip button a lot. :D

ABC officially announced "Grey's Anatomy" will move to 9 PM (ET/PT) on Thursdays this fall.

The complete ABC schedule is here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7665890&&#post7665890

Thats true about izzie. But the denny thing was getting way overblown. She was getting way annoying with that whole deal.

ABC officially announced "Grey's Anatomy" will move to 9 PM (ET/PT) on Thursdays this fall.

The complete ABC schedule is here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7665890&&#post7665890
CSI, OC, Grey's Anatomy. hmmm, bye bye OC.

Good thing Earl moved up an hour.

Why are they moving it? Did they not get enough viewers Sunday nights? Do they think they will get more up against CSI?

CSI, OC, Grey's Anatomy. hmmm, bye bye OC.

Good thing Earl moved up an hour.

Why are they moving it? Did they not get enough viewers Sunday nights? Do they think they will get more up against CSI?

If I had to wager a guess, it would be that they think it's got enough of a following now to compete against CSI. It shouldn't have any problem beating "The OC", but I don't know how it's gonna fare against CSI.

Everyone wants the lucrative Thursday audience and they all want to be the ones in position to take over the top spot when CSI eventually drops off.

Incredible episode(s) last night...I honestly loved the culmination of EVERYTHING we've seen in the past two seasons of the show. From the Burke/Christina unrest, to the Webber/his wife finally coming to grips with the affair with Grey, to George-Izzie-Meredith-Christina-Alex "family" bond and friendship finally becoming solidified.

Whats going to happen now? Who is off the show? (Front Runners: Izzie, Burke, Addison) Will Meredith choose Derek? And if so, what does this mean for Addison?

Derek is such a complex character and Patrick Dempsey plays it perfect. I hate him and yet I want him and Meredith to be together because they are truly in love, and no matter how hard they fight it, they will always be in love. So when Meredith asked Webber about his affair and why he didn't leave his wife for Grey, it just added even more chaos to Meredith's jumbled mind. I love the chaos in the show, I think it is what truly makes it great.

The episode theme of "fight or fight" was perfect. Absolutely perfect. What set it up perfect was the end of Sunday's episode when Bailey was the only one running towards the gunshots. Everybody else was huddled in a corner or on the ground (or just plain shocked). Then with Christina fleeing from Burke after seeing him in such a weak position, you just wanted to yell at Christina and tell her to get back in there because he loves you and you love him. Stop being so AFFRAID! The end of the episode where she finally walks in there and stops him from moving his hand was just plain emotional. I hated that she wasn't with him the whole time, but I understand why she couldn't. She couldn't stand seeing him weak and seeing him in this position. She needed him to be strong.

Honestly, I can't wait for the Fall...that was a great season finale and Shonda did some amazing writing...can't wait to read her blog


also, Callie is a big girl ;)

Why are they moving it? Did they not get enough viewers Sunday nights? Do they think they will get more up against CSI?

It is simply a matter of supply and demand. In this case the supply and demand for commercial time. Commercials can demand a far higher price on Thursday than on Sunday. Thus the same program -- even with a smaller rating on Thursday -- could well get Disney/ABC tens of millions of dollars more in revenue per year.

Thursday is a prime night for movie studios to hype the features which normally begin running on Fridays.

Thursday is also prime night for car makers -- who see more than 70% of their foot traffic over the Friday-Sunday weekend.

In addition food chains and food manufacturers want to get their share of the weekend shoppers. And on and on.

And Thursday is the last day to get the coveted 18-49 viewer (before he or she heads off to enjoy his or her weekend).

I take it that the colored ghosting issues were "local" on last night's Grey's Anatomy then ?? No mention of it in this thread.... Another Dayton-area member posted about this in the local forum and saw it via cable and OTA. We saw it via TW also (didn't flip to OTA 'cause we were recording it and watching it behind schedule).

The irony of hospital interns...

While some of the drama, and simultaneous drama themes are unbelievable. What I can't believe, is that these Dr's, overeducated, overachievers, and their brilliant mentors in this hospital have not realized that there is more than 1 elevator in the hospital.

How much of the drama could they remove from their lives if they stop getting into the same elevator as each other :)


Dave B

I watched it OTA on WEWS-DT (Cleveland) and didn't notice any problems except for the occasional goof up coming back from commerical breaks.

Thats true about izzie. But the denny thing was getting way overblown. She was getting way annoying with that whole deal.
Her "what about me... do it for me" speech was right up there on the annoying meter as the Meredith "love me, choose me" dialogue.

The irony of hospital interns...

While some of the drama, and simultaneous drama themes are unbelievable. What I can't believe, is that these Dr's, overeducated, overachievers, and their brilliant mentors in this hospital have not realized that there is more than 1 elevator in the hospital.

How much of the drama could they remove from their lives if they stop getting into the same elevator as each other :)


Dave B

Dave,

There has been plenty amounts of drama in the stair case.

Not only was it some of the most annoying and drawn out scenes ever for GA, but just how many freaking commercials can you have before it's called an infomercial. My wife and I stopped watching the show 1/2 way through and just started timing the commercials and the show. about 8 minutes of show for every 3-4 miinutes of commercials. Ridiculous

Not only was it some of the most annoying and drawn out scenes ever for GA, but just how many freaking commercials can you have before it's called an infomercial. My wife and I stopped watching the show 1/2 way through and just started timing the commercials and the show. about 8 minutes of show for every 3-4 miinutes of commercials. Ridiculous


It did seem like they were breaking for commercial very often and for a long time...very annoying

It did seem like they were breaking for commercial very often and for a long time...very annoying

Didn't notice it watching on a DVR--and I'm not referring to just being able to skip through commercials. The breaks didn't seem any more frequent or long (I mouse click through them, so I have an idea how long they are).

Edit: Just realized I was talking about Sunday's show--I better not read this thread just yet.

Tivo... learn to use it ;). Amazing finale. My wife was SCREAMING at Christina to get back in there. I was pleased to see that both my predictions from a few months ago came true (Denny died and Izzie quit). The moments of realization for all the characters over the final 3 hours were very well done... just the quiet looks of "yeah... now I get it."

As for Izzie leaving, she isn't. The producers only said that someone was quitting the program, not leaving the show. Now personally I wouldn't want her ever practicing medicine again, but since this is a TV show... ;)

Just watched all three hours at once and I can't praise my DVR enough. Three hours were actually 2 hours and 10 minutes of actual show. Very well done, I've predicted throughout the whole season that Derek and Meredith will get back together and it seems that they will. They simply love each other too much to let other obstacles get in the way. Izzy looked ABSOLUTELY AMAZING in her dress, 2nd was Addison and 3rd Meredith. It will be hard waiting 4 months for new episodes!

Finally watched it, and yes there were a lot of commercials.

One thing really stuck out in the finale. The actors who play Dr. McDreamy and Dr. Grey cannot act. Sandra Oh probably goes to work every day wondering why she has to work with them.

I don't have Tivo, but I have a custom built HTPC. It was recording 3 other channels at that timeslot, so I had to watch grey's anatomy live.

I don't have Tivo, but I have a custom built HTPC. It was recording 3 other channels at that timeslot, so I had to watch grey's anatomy live.

Sounds like you picked the one with the most commercials to watch live! At least now we know whose fault all the commercials was. ;)

Finally watched it, and yes there were a lot of commercials.

One thing really stuck out in the finale. The actors who play Dr. McDreamy and Dr. Grey cannot act. Sandra Oh probably goes to work every day wondering why she has to work with them.

And you think she is a great actress, head and shoulders above the other two? She and her puppy dog "droopy" expression every week drives me nuts. I vote Izzy Stevens as the best character on the series. Izzy FTW. :D

And you think she is a great actress, head and shoulders above the other two? She and her puppy dog "droopy" expression every week drives me nuts. I vote Izzy Stevens as the best character on the series. Izzy FTW. :D

Izzy and the other male doctor are just average actors. The "Nazi" and the Chief are good.

But as between the ones I mentioned, I think most people would agree Sandra Oh is by far the best.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0644897/awards
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0690186/awards

I don't believe they have such a page for Patrick Dempsey, although surprisingly (to me) he was nominated for something for his work on this show.

I agree, Sandra Oh is by far the best actor on this series with T.R. Knight(George) and Chandra Wilson(Bailey) a close second, the rest are efficient at getting the job done but there's nothing spectacular about how they do it.

The entire draw of Grey's Anatomy is how genuine the tensions and relations between Meredith and Derek play off on screen.

I'm sorry, but this show would simply not be what it is today if not for that intoxicating chemistry they have together on screen.

This great show is moving to Thursday, opposite The O.C., CSI, and NBC's new Studio 60, another Aaron Sorkin show. I only have 2 HD tuners on my PVR...NOW WHAT?!?!?
I dunno how it will survive against CSI. Much of the OC crowd also watches Grey's. This will be tough.

I rewatched the Finale (3hrs) last night with some friends who had not seen it yet.

One of the things that struck me on the rewatch. Is the writers, have done a really superb job since the beginning of not only maintaining story lines, but also keeping things in balance.

In the finale you have the hand of Burke paralyzed at the same time Denny's heart isn't pumping.


Everyone feels great when the Fast Food shooter is shot, which is balanced by the fact that Burke is also shot.




So when rewatching the finale last night.... As Denny is Dying, just one floor away someone was possibly conceiving. Seems to me that a new storyline twist may have been added that could really complicate the Meredith, Derek, Addison, Fin story.


Dave

Her "what about me... do it for me" speech was right up there on the annoying meter as the Meredith "love me, choose me" dialogue.

Dude, I guess ya'll didn't get the memo. All of those women on that show, except for Chandra Wilson and Dreamy's Wife are annoying as hell.

McDreamy's wife is ALSO as annoying as hell. But the poison oak episode ranks up there as one of my all-time favorite moments ;)

The entire draw of Grey's Anatomy is how genuine the tensions and relations between Meredith and Derek play off on screen.

I'm sorry, but this show would simply not be what it is today if not for that intoxicating chemistry they have together on screen.

To each his own, but it was when they were alone together in a scene during the last two hours that I turned to my wife and complained about their inability to act. Maybe if I'd been more intoxicated I would have seen the chemestry. :D

Okay guys, just got back from abroad and watched the last episode.

Seems the DVR stopped recording when the Chief Resident(the Nazi) and the Chief of Staff were in the bubble (the observation amphitheater above the O.R.).

Actually, the Nazi just walked in and was about ready to say something to the Chief and I got no more recording.

Anything else happen after that point ????????????

TIA.

Uh....Merideth and McDreamy had sex, and she lost her panties. Denny died. Izzy quit. The last shot was Merideth looking at Vet and McDreamy. And...Scene.

So nothing important ;)

I'm sorry, but this show would simply not be what it is today if not for that intoxicating chemistry they have together on screen.

Could that be a typo? Could you have meant to write that the show would not be the same without their sacharine, juvenile, emotionally crippled performances? If that is what you meant, then you would be correct

The show would be SOOO much better if they dumped the Merideth and McDreamy characters and renamed the show. Then they could focus on being a great hospital drama with a great ensemble cast, and not a cheesy two-bit soap opera with awful writing like 'love me...choose me'.

Could that be a typo? Could you have meant to write that the show would not be the same without their sacharine, juvenile, emotionally crippled performances? If that is what you meant, then you would be correct

The show would be SOOO much better if they dumped the Merideth and McDreamy characters and renamed the show. Then they could focus on being a great hospital drama with a great ensemble cast, and not a cheesy two-bit soap opera with awful writing like 'love me...choose me'.
I kinda think that much of the public would view “a great hospital drama” as rather boring if it did accurately reflect the real thing.

But thanks for your candid opinion as it sure saved me from getting up to get another cup of coffee.

This show surely aint the movie version of Franz Kafka’s “A Country Doctor” but at the same time, my opinion is that it’s not as bad as you’ve portrayed it to be.

I guess, different strokes for different folks. :)

P.S.
As to renaming the show, I think that the only person that may, and I say may be bugged is ……………
Henry Gray F.R.S. (Fellow Royal College of Surgeons).

But what the hell, he’s dead and buried long ago and his book is too damn heavy to carry around to Gross Anatomy lab anyway. :D

P.S.
As to renaming the show, I think that the only person that may, and I say may be bugged is ……………
Henry Gray F.R.S. (Fellow Royal College of Surgeons).

But what the hell, he’s dead and buried long ago and his book is too damn heavy to carry around to Gross Anatomy lab anyway. :D

Actually, I believe the show's name is a pun, and named after lead character Meredith GrEy.

-R

Actually, I believe the show's name is a pun, and named after lead character Meredith GrEy.

-R
It's a play on the text, "Henry Gray's Anatomy of the Human Body".

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0914294083/qid=1148485789/sr=1-7/ref=sr_1_7/104-2832417-7712711?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
Amazon.com: Gray's Anatomy Descriptive and Surgical: Books: Henry Gray

I've got that book. I carried it to lab the first 2 weeks. And it is too damn heavy. Started using Chung's. I even have chunks to prove it.

And is it just me or does there seem to be a lot of venom thrown around about the "acting abilities" of the people on the show. It's not that bad. I know, let's replace McDreamy with Keanu Reeves and Grey with Sarah Michelle Gellar. Poor show wouldn't last half a season.

As long as Denny FINALLY expired, I be happy.

It's a play on the text, "Henry Gray's Anatomy of the Human Body".

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0914294083/qid=1148485789/sr=1-7/ref=sr_1_7/104-2832417-7712711?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
Amazon.com: Gray's Anatomy Descriptive and Surgical: Books: Henry Gray
Ah, keenan you are one smart fellow :) ………

Also, FWIW …..”Grey Matter” – the home of the writers of this show,
(http://www.greyswriters.com/)

is a play on dem cells in da brain. :D

And is it just me or does there seem to be a lot of venom thrown around about the "acting abilities" of the people on the show. It's not that bad. I know, let's replace McDreamy with Keanu Reeves and Grey with Sarah Michelle Gellar. Poor show wouldn't last half a season.

I only comment on bad acting when it's so bad it pulls me out of the imaginary world of the show (or movie) and back to the reality of sitting in front of the TV. Sometimes it's really bad writing that does that (e.g. Commander in Chief). Average acting doesn't due that--I'm generally rather tollerant of acting.

As long as Denny FINALLY expired, I be happy.

As long as that story line expired, I'll be happy. That was pretty over the top at the end.

As long as that story line expired, I'll be happy. That was pretty over the top at the end.

It was wayyyyy over the top. I just wish that Meriedth and "Mr. Can't buy Me Love" :) would just hurry up and get back together. Personally, I would do Addison over Grey. Well, yeah that and poor choice of wording, ;) but I mean I would take Addision over Grey.

As long as that story line expired, I'll be happy. That was pretty over the top at the end.
It obviously hasn't, seeing as Izzy quit.

As long as that story line expired, I'll be happy. That was pretty over the top at the end.
It obviously hasn't, seeing as Izzy quit.

Maybe that was for negotiating position with the actress. Perhaps she has a notorious agent or something, and they wanted to send a message.

Izzy quit the surgical residency. I don't think she quit the show.

Izzy quit the surgical residency. I don't think she quit the show.

My point was more in successful shows with multiple key characters, the actors often start demanding rather high salaries. Not as big of an issue with shows with one or two main characters. But by showing the actors that anyone is expendable (with the possible exception of the actress playing Grey), they can improve their negotiating position, increase their profits, etc.

I wasn't suggesting she was gone, just that the cliff-hanger might be in part due to things that don't pertain to the storyline at all.

And is it just me or does there seem to be a lot of venom thrown around about the "acting abilities" of the people on the show.

I don't have any problem with the acting. I have a problem with the writing. They've got a great cast with great talent, and then they write all that cheesy Grey/McDreamy crap like it is a cheesy Mexican soap opera. What a waste.

Does anyone remember a show from about 10 years ago called 'The Single Guy". I used to watch that show and think that if they just dumped the main character (Jonathan Silverman) and focused on his extended circle of friends, it would have been 10 times as funny. The supporting cast of characters was much more interesting than the lead. Grey's is the same way. Kill off the Grey character, and all of the cheap Univision theatrics associated with her, and it would be watchable.

I think you people are taking for granted the acting on this show, and the relationships and situations that these characters are put into.

The show wouldn't work without these characters. The writers and creators know exactly what they want to do, and how they want their characters to act (hell, Shonda Rhimes already has the entire 3rd season mapped out). Just let them create, sit back and enjoy. I know I will. :D

Saw the season premier tonite. My Wife loves the show; and she thoroughly enjoyed it. I thought it was OK. Seems like they are trying a little "Lost" twist, with flashbacks (at least tonite). It's clearly a female-oriented show; the over-abundance of romance angles don't interest me particularly (and in general I don't like doctor shows). But like with House, some of the personalities make watching interesting, for the most part.

i thought the primiere was especially weak. it was mostly a recap episode. Nothing new was learned. I'm sure the season will be good, but its been meh so far.

Loved it...I loved seeing the backstory, where they came from...Shonda mentioned in her blog that if you paid careful attention to the first scene in Season 1 Episode 1, you'd be rewarded in this episode...I missed it but I think it had something to do with George and Mer's conversation at the meet-n-greet thingy....

Some positives about this premiere:
Izzie got up and took her first step towards dealing with the loss of her fiance.
Derek admitted to Merideth that he is "in love with her."
Addison found Merideth's panties after Merideth told her that she was not sleeping with her husband.
George and Derek spoke about admitting their love for who they do or don't really love.
It looks like they're going to expand on the Richard and Merideth's mom storyline and how it now effects Merideth and Richard's current marriage.
I'm actually glad Richard chose the hospital instead of his nagging wife. He could either deal with her issues, or deal with a hospital full of the plague....or else! His wife was a bi+ch anyway and he obviously didn't love her as much as Merideth's mom.

Some negatives about this premiere:
It was obviously a catch-up episode. The flash-backs were definitely not needed. We don't need to know how all of these characters met. I was fine with knowing the characters from the pilot episode of this series.
The plague story-line was not wrapped up. All of a sudden it's safe for Derek and George to go? Why? Was it a false alarm? Was it just contained and everyone was sure Derek and George were okay without running tests? If it was a false alarm, why was the black man (originally from the practice) and his wife (whos health was complicated by this plague) effected by it? This part was not wrapped up.
Chandra Wilson (Miranda Bailey) is by far the worst actress on this show. She's got the mean nurse part down, but when it's time to show any emotion (like at the window with the guy mentioned above) she certainly couldn't sell the fact that she didn't do the right thing with Issie's fiance. Obviously, the plague scene and the fact that she couldn't help him was not about the man at all, but more about the fact that she couldn't help him.
Even though Derek told Merideth that he was "in love with her," he didn't state that he would be willing to leave Addison for her. I'm sure things will get more complicated in the next few episodes when everyone see's the panties post on the announcements board.

Overall, a pretty weak episode with to many holes.

From (series creator) Shonda Rhimes at the “greyswriters” blog:

“…those panties play a big part in the first couple of episodes. Those panties are key. Cause Meredith never put them back on. She rushed out to deal with Izzie and left Derek who was asking “Meredith, what does this mean?” and she never had a chance to put those panties back on. So watch for the panties – and I don’t just mean the shot in the promos that has them on the bulletin board in the hospital.

The first episode (which is called “Time Has Come Today”) deals with, not just the aftermath, but also with the past. I encourage you to watch the original very first episode of Grey’s Anatomy from Season One because, if you pay attention to the dialogue and the details, you will be rewarded in this premiere episode with some (hopefully) very interesting tidbits. And I hate the word “tidbits” but it does describe what I mean perfectly. This first episode of Season Three is meant to reward hardcore fans -- it’s also meant to bring us to a place where we can say goodbye to Denny as well as deal with the Mer/Der/Finn of it all. Just remember that nothing is ever wrapped up easily on this show. Because things aren’t neat and clean in real life….”

http://www.greyswriters.com/

First word, via drudgereport.com, is that "Grey's" rather handily beat "CSI" in the battle of network ratings titans last night.

Full ratings details are still to come.

This is from TVguide.com:


Ratings: CSI Is Taught an Anatomy Lesson

This where the ratings get fun, folks. Cutting to the chase for a moment, Grey's Anatomy's new time slot (and those multiple video-playing online ads, I suppose) paid off big time, as the ABC drama bested 9 o'clock hour stalwart CSI in their premieres' head-to-head clash. The overnight tally: Grey's 25.15 million total viewers, CSI 22 mil. Grey's also has can claim bragging rights to the droolworthy 18-49 demo, where it snagged 50 percent more than CBS' crime drama.

(From Marc Berman’s Friday, September 22, 2006, Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com )
Primetime Ratings For Thursday, September 21st

The biggest battle of the new season -- Grey’s Anatomy vs. CSI -- was underway last night with ABC’s red-hot medical drama the clear winner. But CBS still managed to be the most-watched network (770,000 viewers ahead of ABC), while ABC finished first in the overnights and adults 18-49. A night of season premieres on NBC settled for the distant No. 3 spot, while Fox’s perennial Thursday audience woes continued. The CW hid under the desk with repeats.

Grey’s Anatomy at 9 p.m. opened season three with a hefty 17.1/25 in the overnights, 25.14 million viewers and a 10.9/26 among adults 18-49. CBS’ CSI was down, but far from out, with its season-premiere at a 14.9/22 in the overnights, 22.04 million viewers and a 7.5/18 among adults 18-49. For comparative purposes, take a look at both dramas versus their year-ago launches.

Grey Anatomy (ABC)
9/25/05 (Sun. 10 p.m.) – Overnights: 13.2/20, Viewers: 18.98 million, A18-49: 8.3/20
9/21/06 (Thurs. 9 p.m.) – Overnights: 17.1/25, Viewers: 25.14 million, A18-49: 10.9/26
Percent Change – Overnights: +30, Viewers: +32, A18-49: +31

CSI (CBS)
9/22/05 – Overnights: 19.3/27, Viewers: 29.02 million, A18-49: 10.2/25
9/21/06 – Overnights: 14.9/22, Viewers: 22.04 million, A18-49: 7.5/18
Percent Change – Overnights: -23, Viewers: -24, A18-49: -26

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

yeah I still don't get how they get these ratings...at all...

And I don't get why so many freaking people watch CSI

And I don't get why so many freaking people watch CSI

Because it is a well written, well acted, interesting show, that is good to look at, with attractive stars who have good chemistry, centered around topics/cases that are creatively handled.

I can't stand formulaic sitcoms, but I can understand why "freaking people watch" them, and its because they are mindless entertainment. At least CSI regularly requires your brain to be used, unless you just sit there and don't try to figure out who the "criminal" is.

Give me a show that requires brain activity over <insert generic sitcom> any day.

yeah, the only problem with CSI is, is that its basically a total fantasy show. Anyone who's worked in any lab or any professional setting would know that they way CSI is presented is totally inaccurate. Now for arguement's sake, Grey's anatomy isnt a medical show where any of that stuff is real either. Thats not how medicine/interns work. But Grey's doesnt pretend to be a fact based medical show, its a drama about relationships happens to take place in a hospital. Whereas CSI is a show that pretends to be a realistic representation of how crimes are solved. in light of this argument, i can sympathise with the comment about 'so many freaking people watching CSI' and I happen to agree with it.

I dont' recall CSI being portrayed as a by the book representation, but I do have the luxury of having a brother in law that is an investigator with the Knox County Sheriff's Dept. and for what its worth, he says the show is fairly realistic in the way the investigations are performed. Take that for what its worth, but obviously its not total reality, though I wouldn't call it total fantasy either.

Anyone that believes TV is reality needs there head checked, and anyone that doesn't watch a show or can't believe people would watch a show, that isn't 100% based on realistic portrayals, is picking some serious nits.

You guys wanna bash CSI go right ahead, but I just listed a bunch of reason why its watched. You may not like it, but you should at least respect the fact that a lot of people do.

i dont have to respect anyone if i dont like them. if they watch cheesy tv shows, and i dont like it, they deserve to be called out on it. i dont have to respect anyone who watches CSI or The simple life with paris hilton. likewise, they can call me out on anything they dont like that i watch, and if their reasons are legitimate, i will be open and receptive to it and re-evaluate why i watch and if i'll continue to watch.

That would seem to be big news for ABC. Who would have imagined this show beating CSI when it came out as a mid-season fill-in for BL?

I just can't watch a tv show that doesn't connect from one episode to the next...I can't see how that is entertaining (but then again I do watch SG-1 and Atlantis, but they connect more than CSI does). I understand why some people watch CSI, but what I don't understand is why its one of the highest rated shows on TV...every week. And the spin-offs are just stupid...same repetitive plot week after week. Its one of the reasons that I can't watch House. While I really enjoy the characters on House, I just can't watch it because each episode isn't really connected and it feels like it should be. However, with something like Scrubs, where I know its not supposed to be connected, I am more easy going and can enjoy it. Or maybe its just personal taste, but that still doesn't explain why CSI is the top-rated show on Thursday nights (well I guess not anymore, but I suspect it will return after the Greys fire burns out)...

Note: this post is NOT aimed at any specific previous post or poster!

If we start demanding TV dramas be "realistic" how will a Law & Order" episode ever get to the conclusion of a "trial" mere weeks after the perp is apprehended?

How will the "Cold Case" folks wrap up years-dead investigations in mere days -- with crucial witnesses (with perfect memories, of course) who often long since should be dead?

How will...well, you get the drift.

It is just entertainment folks. And "popular entertainment" at that. If it doesn't work for you, watch something else. A lot of really smart, educated people like some really dumb (to me, at least) shows. And a lot of people who barely made it through high school enjoy programs on PBS, the Discovery Channel and others of that ilk.

I am always astounded that so many of us feel the need to show our superiority by the shows we watch (or the cars we drive, the TV sets we have, etc.)

Come on. It is entertainment. If some people like it, good for them. If you don't, switch to something else. Or read a Dickens novel, listen to a symphony or admire a Master's painting. But please, let's dial down the supposed intellectual supremacy a bit.

You are no better or worse than your neighbor just because you enjoy "Battlestar" or "The Office" or even "American Idol".

Note: this post is NOT aimed at any specific previous post or poster!

If we start demanding TV dramas be "realistic" how will a Law & Order" episode ever get to the conclusion of a "trial" mere weeks after the perp is apprehended?




Within minutes actually, figure a minute for the crime, a minute for the verdict reading and that gives them about 42-43 mins to solve the case. Pretty efficient. :D :p

Darn, Jim how did you figure out so quickly the post WAS aimed at you! :)

:D

Imagine if our real life legal system worked that fast. :eek: :p

You American viewers would have a chuckle over last night's "Grey's Anthony" mishap on CTV, the Canadian network. They aired Episode 2 instead of the Season Premiere. CTV, which airs "Grey" at 8:00 pm, blamed ABC for pre-feeding them the wrong episode on the big bird.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060922/greys_anatomy_explainer_060922/20060922/

Canadians did get two chances to watch the real premiere: at 9:00 pm on ABC or Friday night again on ABC.

Note: this post is NOT aimed at any specific previous post or poster!

If we start demanding TV dramas be "realistic" how will a Law & Order" episode ever get to the conclusion of a "trial" mere weeks after the perp is apprehended?

How will the "Cold Case" folks wrap up years-dead investigations in mere days -- with crucial witnesses (with perfect memories, of course) who often long since should be dead?
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I guess you haven't seen "Justice" on Fox...talk about realistic...WOW :D

As to Gray's Anatomy, I thought the show would have been a lot better if they'd just had one of those "prior episodes" summaries at the beginning, rather than trying to work that stuff in throughout the episode. I thought the episode was particularly weak, especially since none of the other doctors (administrators) were discussing Izzy's termination.

As to CSI, I call it a lazy mystery. They don't give you the pieces to figure it out, but instead spoon feed it to you. It's sort of like Wheel of Fortune, which is designed so that the contestants don't announce the puzzle until everyone at home has figured it out. It's not designed to be challenging.

For some of you questioning the flashback method used in the season premiere...check out the Official Blog to see the real intention...

http://www.greyswriters.com/


Shonda's got a real knack for writing...she's incredibly talented

Whatever the intention, it was awkward, IMHO.

Need some plot help. Started watching GA over the summer reruns. The last repeat show I saw was Burke getting shot and Izzy cutting Denny's tube. Then I watched the season premiere. Was there an episode between these two where Denny died and if so what was the plot (i.e why isn't Izzy in jail)? Thanks.

Need some plot help. Started watching GA over the summer reruns. The last repeat show I saw was Burke getting shot and Izzy cutting Denny's tube. Then I watched the season premiere. Was there an episode between these two where Denny died and if so what was the plot (i.e why isn't Izzy in jail)? Thanks.

Burke getting shot/Denny dying was the season finale...you didn't miss anything

Thanks

Burke getting shot/Denny dying was the season finale...you didn't miss anything
Burke getting shot and Izzy cutting Denny's wire was not the season finale.

In the finale Denny's transplant was done by the doctor who was fighting Burke for the heart. None of the residents would admit to cutting the wire so all were on a no-surgery status until someone came clean. Since they were not doing surgeries they were assigned to the chiefs niece and had to plan a prom at the hospital for her.

Denny was recovering and had asked Izzy to marry him and she accepted. Then he just died and Izzy found him dead in his room.

Burke was in recovery from his wounds but was having motor skill problems with his right hand. Christina couldn't seem to be with him and was avoiding him.

Meredeth was dating the Vet and seemed to have gotten over McDreamy but they hooked up at the prom in one of the rooms. Meredeth lost her panties and they didn't have time to look for them because George's girlfriend came in and told them about Denny. She also helped Meredeth fasten up her dress so she knows what they did. After the prom was called on account of Denny's death, Izzy admitted she cut the wire and quit.

That pretty much fills the gap between the last episode you saw and the season premier.

Whatever the intention, it was awkward, IMHO.

True! Too much of it at the wrong moments. The show was slow and not much happened. I would guess that as the season goes on things will pickup.

Burke getting shot and Izzy cutting Denny's wire was not the season finale.

In the finale Denny's transplant was done by the doctor who was fighting Burke for the heart. None of the residents would admit to cutting the wire so all were on a no-surgery status until someone came clean. Since they were not doing surgeries they were assigned to the chiefs niece and had to plan a prom at the hospital for her.

Denny was recovering and had asked Izzy to marry him and she accepted. Then he just died and Izzy found him dead in his room.

Burke was in recovery from his wounds but was having motor skill problems with his right hand. Christina couldn't seem to be with him and was avoiding him.

Meredeth was dating the Vet and seemed to have gotten over McDreamy but they hooked up at the prom in one of the rooms. Meredeth lost her panties and they didn't have time to look for them because George's girlfriend came in and told them about Denny. She also helped Meredeth fasten up her dress so she knows what they did. After the prom was called on account of Denny's death, Izzy admitted she cut the wire and quit.

That pretty much fills the gap between the last episode you saw and the season premier.

wasn't that all one night though? I remember it being an weird season finale...I could have sworn they had a 2 in 1 Season Finale...but I did forget alot about what happened...

wasn't that all one night though? I remember it being an weird season finale...I could have sworn they had a 2 in 1 Season Finale...but I did forget alot about what happened...

Maybe if they'd had one of those "In prior episodes" things . . . . ;)

wasn't that all one night though? I remember it being an weird season finale...I could have sworn they had a 2 in 1 Season Finale...but I did forget alot about what happened...
It might have been a two-parter but it wasn't all in one night. I remember them showing Burke laying on the ground after being shot and then ending the episode.

i dont have to respect anyone if i dont like them. if they watch cheesy tv shows, and i dont like it, they deserve to be called out on it. i dont have to respect anyone who watches CSI or The simple life with paris hilton. likewise, they can call me out on anything they dont like that i watch, and if their reasons are legitimate, i will be open and receptive to it and re-evaluate why i watch and if i'll continue to watch.

Oh grow up. :rolleyes: I will guarandamntee you that you watch some crap, but am I gonna look at you and laugh about it? No. Jesus man, it's TV shows we're talking about, is that really something that makes you lose respect for people? What are you like 12 or something? That's a screwed up way of judging people.

Note: this post is NOT aimed at any specific previous post or poster!

If we start demanding TV dramas be "realistic" how will a Law & Order" episode ever get to the conclusion of a "trial" mere weeks after the perp is apprehended?

How will the "Cold Case" folks wrap up years-dead investigations in mere days -- with crucial witnesses (with perfect memories, of course) who often long since should be dead?

How will...well, you get the drift.

It is just entertainment folks. And "popular entertainment" at that. If it doesn't work for you, watch something else. A lot of really smart, educated people like some really dumb (to me, at least) shows. And a lot of people who barely made it through high school enjoy programs on PBS, the Discovery Channel and others of that ilk.

I am always astounded that so many of us feel the need to show our superiority by the shows we watch (or the cars we drive, the TV sets we have, etc.)

Come on. It is entertainment. If some people like it, good for them. If you don't, switch to something else. Or read a Dickens novel, listen to a symphony or admire a Master's painting. But please, let's dial down the supposed intellectual supremacy a bit.

You are no better or worse than your neighbor just because you enjoy "Battlestar" or "The Office" or even "American Idol".

BRAVO!!!! Very well said.

Was there an episode between these two where Denny died and if so what was the plot (i.e why isn't Izzy in jail)? Thanks.

Denny had a scucessful heart transplant. He died due to a blood clot which may have been prevented if he had been given anti-coagulant.

The season finale was shown in 2 parts

I also thought the show was kind of slow. Maybe geared towards people starting to watch the show and giving a lot of redundant info from last season.

Nothing conlcusive about Mcdreamy leaving her wife for Meredith
or about Izzie's future. I hope she stays cuz I like her character
more than the others. I guess we'll have all of season 3 to have this unfold

It might have been a two-parter but it wasn't all in one night. I remember them showing Burke laying on the ground after being shot and then ending the episode.

The season finale was just a one part episode, but the 3rd and 2nd-to-last episodes were shown back-to-back the week before it.

Does Grey's Anatomy typically run past the hour ?? My Dish receiver is set normally to run 3 minutes past the normal end of a show but if we've got something to record in the next time slot, on a different channel, Grey's gets cut off. I'm pretty sure it got cut off last week too.

Kinda like ER starts a minute early.... just to throw DVR people off !

You are no better or worse than your neighbor just because you enjoy "Battlestar" or "The Office" or even "American Idol".Does that include fans of MNTV or "The One: Making of a Music Star" ?

Does Grey's Anatomy typically run past the hour ?? My Dish receiver is set normally to run 3 minutes past the normal end of a show but if we've got something to record in the next time slot, on a different channel, Grey's gets cut off. I'm pretty sure it got cut off last week too.

Kinda like ER starts a minute early.... just to throw DVR people off !

Now you are getting it.....

And Lost will run several minutes late as well.

Does that include fans of MNTV or "The One: Making of a Music Star" ?


Actually it does.

It also includes those who love kung-fu movies or monster flicks or NBA games or anything else which entertains them.

I clicked on this thread hoping to find some into on the broadcast format of Grey's Anatomy (HD vs SD).... Silly me, it's all plot discussion. :)

Speaking of format though, am I missing something or is this show only broadcast in SD? Since this post is in the "HD programming" section I'm assuming some of you are seeing this show in HD? I have charter cable and get a lot of the typical HD programs such as Law & Order, Smallville, etc, but Grey's still comes in plain old SD which is strange considering how wildly popular it is.

Any insight?


*edit: Nevermind, looked up some more info and evidently it's just Charter. What a bummer! I've been thinking of making the switch over to Dish Network, this issue might just be what knocks me off the fence.

(From Marc Berman’s Friday, September 29, 2006, Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com )

“…At 9 p.m., the winning ratings ball was shared between ABC’s Grey’s Anatomy and old CBS faithful CSI. Grey’s Anatomy scored a 16.1/24 in the overnights (#1), 23.31 million viewers (#2) and a 9.4/22 among adults 18-49 (#1). CSI averaged a 15.3/22 in the overnights (#2), 23.49 million viewers (#1) and a 7.9/19 among adults 18-49 (#2). Although the lead-in support from Survivor decreased last night, CSI is back in action.….”

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

I clicked on this thread hoping to find some into on the broadcast format of Grey's Anatomy (HD vs SD).... Silly me, it's all plot discussion. :)

Speaking of format though, am I missing something or is this show only broadcast in SD? Since this post is in the "HD programming" section I'm assuming some of you are seeing this show in HD? I have charter cable and get a lot of the typical HD programs such as Law & Order, Smallville, etc, but Grey's still comes in plain old SD which is strange considering how wildly popular it is.

Any insight?


*edit: Nevermind, looked up some more info and evidently it's just Charter. What a bummer! I've been thinking of making the switch over to Dish Network, this issue might just be what knocks me off the fence.

I certainly received the show in HD format.

Since you are receiving other programs in HD, I assume you are paying your cable company for the HD package. I am not sure about Charter Cable, but both Time Warner cable and DirecTV charge extra for their HD packages.

Also, the problem could be with whatever local CBS station Charter Cable gets the feed of the show from. My local CBS affiliate every once in a while forgets to change a program back to 16:9 after either a commercial or a weather alert, which are broadcast in 4:3 format by my affiliate.

Does Grey's Anatomy typically run past the hour ?? My Dish receiver is set normally to run 3 minutes past the normal end of a show but if we've got something to record in the next time slot, on a different channel, Grey's gets cut off. I'm pretty sure it got cut off last week too.

Kinda like ER starts a minute early.... just to throw DVR people off !

We flipped from Greys to ER last night just as Greys ended. ER had already started BUT they hadn't finished recapping last weeks episode. The new one began a few seconds after we flipped over. Not helpful for a DVR but the shows didn't actually overlap. My wife found out about this stuff the hard way last week.

While I enjoyed this week's episode, I have a quibble... morphine doesn't make you high like that. In fact, morphine is considered one of the most functional drugs you can develop an addiction to. But if I don't let that bother me, I LOVE the scene with Meredith's three guys ;). Poor George.

Callie.. wow. Slutsville.

While I enjoyed this week's episode, I have a quibble... morphine doesn't make you high like that. In fact, morphine is considered one of the most functional drugs you can develop an addiction to. But if I don't let that bother me, I LOVE the scene with Meredith's three guys ;). Poor George.

Callie.. wow. Slutsville.
Not only that but most narcotics won't make you high if you're really in pain. That's one of the ways you can tell if someone needs to come off a pain med, if they start getting high it's time.

But so what, the highness was needed for the plot.

While I enjoyed this week's episode, I have a quibble... morphine doesn't make you high like that. In fact, morphine is considered one of the most functional drugs you can develop an addiction to. But if I don't let that bother me, I LOVE the scene with Meredith's three guys ;). Poor George.

Callie.. wow. Slutsville.

Don't most of the women, excluding, Miranda and the ex wife of Mc Dreamy, live in Slutsville?

Even McDreamy's ex-wife started out and could still be considered living in slutsville. That's why McDreamy left her to begin with.

I just have one thing to say, speaking for my wife and I, if they don't kill off the entire Denny Duquette storyline PRONTO, we're gonna stop watching the show. Without a doubt, it is one of the most over the top, unnecessary, overblown storylines I can remember in recent TV history (from shows we have watched). We're sick of it, move on, get Izzy back to work and get her boinkin' Korev again.

I just have one thing to say, speaking for my wife and I, if they don't kill off the entire Denny Duquette storyline PRONTO, we're gonna stop watching the show. Without a doubt, it is one of the most over the top, unnecessary, overblown storylines I can remember in recent TV history (from shows we have watched). We're sick of it, move on, get Izzy back to work and get her boinkin' Korev again.

I was sick of Denny well before the end of last season. Between the continuing Denny crap and the writers turning all the characters (male and female included) into slutty, self-absorbed a-holes, I think I've had about all I can take of this show. :(

I only comment on bad acting when it's so bad it pulls me out of the imaginary world of the show (or movie) and back to the reality of sitting in front of the TV. Sometimes it's really bad writing that does that (e.g. Commander in Chief). Average acting doesn't due that--I'm generally rather tollerant of acting.

Sara Michelle would be an upgrade over the current actress :-)

It was wayyyyy over the top. I just wish that Meriedth and "Mr. Can't buy Me Love" :) would just hurry up and get back together. Personally, I would do Addison over Grey. Well, yeah that and poor choice of wording, ;) but I mean I would take Addision over Grey.

Agreed...Addison is better looking, smarter. Of course, she's a cheating tra....wait can't use that word. Ahem...she's unfaithful and can't be trusted.

Meredith is just extremely immature and has no business being in an adult relationship. She needs to focus on being a good surgeon and her love life will sort itself out.

I don't have any problem with the acting. I have a problem with the writing. They've got a great cast with great talent, and then they write all that cheesy Grey/McDreamy crap like it is a cheesy Mexican soap opera. What a waste.

Does anyone remember a show from about 10 years ago called 'The Single Guy". I used to watch that show and think that if they just dumped the main character (Jonathan Silverman) and focused on his extended circle of friends, it would have been 10 times as funny. The supporting cast of characters was much more interesting than the lead. Grey's is the same way. Kill off the Grey character, and all of the cheap Univision theatrics associated with her, and it would be watchable.


Yes because American soap operas are less cheesy? lol. A soap is a soap, the only difference is language.

I just can't watch a tv show that doesn't connect from one episode to the next...I can't see how that is entertaining (but then again I do watch SG-1 and Atlantis, but they connect more than CSI does). I understand why some people watch CSI, but what I don't understand is why its one of the highest rated shows on TV...every week.

It's comfort food to an extent. They usually catch the bad guy, keep you entertained, and even manage to educate once in a while.

Plus they don't have to remember a complicated mythology about who did what to whom and when. Each episode essentially starts fresh and ends with closure. I've been watching it from the start. I remember seeing the promos and spotting William Peterson...I loved him in Manhunter and thought it would be cool if he did that type of character again. Grissom was nothing like Will Graham, but I was hooked.

This concerns the January 25th episode.

I thought I heard the Sandra Oh character say "F--cking is overrated." I'm not positive about this since she was wearing a surgical mask at the time.

I was trying to figure out what other word could have been uttered. I guess it's possible that the comment was "Talking is overrated" since the context of the statement was difficulties in relationships between men and women.

I'm not a prude but I was startled to hear what I thought I heard on a primetime program not on HBO.

Did anyone hear the same thing?

She said "talking".

what great episode last night....

Meredith has the worst luck...the toxic blood was a little far-fetched but oh well, I still love the show

the toxic blood was a little far-fetched...
The toxic blood was a lot far fetched. Even if her blood was toxic, it wouldn't be airborne like that.

Also, it takes a lot more than 8 days to build a new clinic. This "clinic" storyline just popped up last episode and it's already here? :rolleyes: I guess they were jones'n for a new set. It looks like they will be getting out of the hospital next week. I hope they don't take this show into the direction of ER as a result of all of its success.

Also, I seriously doubt they'd have surgeons working in a free clinic.

Is anyone other than me seeing something weird with the picture tonight? It is kind of jumpy, I guess is the best way I can describe it. I am watching on Atlanta HD local on D*.

Edit: Whatever the problem was, it has corrected itself.

Kind of a creepy episode. WHy did they keep showing the pregnant woman's bashed in face? Seemed like something right out of a horror movie. We get it, she's a real woman with real problems. We get it, Alex is a hero. We get it, it's a massive catastophi.

This show is getting more and more like ER every episode and it's starting to get rediculous.

The Christina/Preston relationship is just getting annoying at this point. My sister said, "I am soooo over them now. I wish they would be."

The Callie/George relationship is getting a little over the top too.

I don't feel sorry for Izzie anymore. She was the dumb@$$ that wasted her money on the clinic. That annoying girl who led the clinic last night is always annoying and I'm not sure why she's even on this show. I hope they don't continue to develop her character.

Addison is, by far, becoming my favorite character on the show. Of course, this is all to set up the fact that she's getting on Chief Webber's good side so she can take over when he retires.

We'll see where this 3-episode story-line goes. But I'm not optimistic. I, for one, was kinda happy when Meredith was pushed over the side. http://www.satelliteguys.us/images/smilies/diablotin.gif

I don't feel sorry for Izzie anymore. She was the dumb@$$ that wasted her money on the clinic.


Izzie is not a dumb@$$ at all. She didn't want the money to start with, she just wanted Denny. She dedicated that clinic to Denny with his own money. She just wants to be a doctor. I'd say she has her priorities in the proper place.

Did they really kill off Meredith, the lead character of the show?

We'll know next week.

no they didnt. i think it would be absolutely great if they did but i think this is just a huge tease. she'll somehow be just fine next week.

I mean if they were really going to milk the meredith death scene, i think they would wait until may sweeps and create a season finale cliffhanger out of it.

I've been watching this show all of the two seasons its been on and i must say this season is a disappointment. this 3 episode arc was a ratings stunt and a cheap one at that. I hope they prove me wrong by really killing her off next week.

so far i only know of one person who's had the balls to do it, and thats David E Kelley with his shows.

Also, I seriously doubt they'd have surgeons working in a free clinic. Seems the various surgeons (cardio, neurology, plastic, etc) or doctors (ob/gyn, orthopedic) have a little too much interaction. In a small hospital, I could believe it, but any decent size hospital is "wings" and the ob/gyn doctors wouldn't 'work' with the plastic surgeons very often....

Did they really kill off Meredith, the lead character of the show?
God I hope so! :D

Izzie is not a dumb@$$ at all. She didn't want the money to start with, she just wanted Denny. It wouldn't have hurt or been bad if she'd have kept a little bit for herself though.... :)

What happened at the end when Meredith "woke up" and there was that fairly well-known actor (dark hair) in the room ?? We can't win between DVR'ing Grey's and ER, with Grey's running past 10pm and ER wanting to start at 9:59.

The actors represented two characters who died on the show last year.

(And a two-tuner DVR is essential these days. TiVo makes an SD unit which is basically free -- although the service is $13 a month.)

(And a two-tuner DVR is essential these days. Actually, I have a 3-tuner DVR ! Problem is, only (1) is for OTA.... :) Don't suggest we record either ER or Grey's in SD format ! :) (that would "solve" the problem though).

Another vote for killing off Grey. Anything less just makes the whole thing a cheap, predictable stunt.

Yes! Let's kill off Meredith, then she can be one of those really annoying dead people who come back and do all the voice overs and offer great insight on what's happening to the live people.

I do like this show - as others have said, it grows on you. My DVR missed the last 2 minutes of last night's episode ... thank goodness for the network free downloads.

I don't want to see them kill anybody off quite yet. But one thing that does need to happen is a cut down on some of the cheesy and unrealistic stuff that goes on.

That dude that izzy saved- yeah, he would have been passed over in real life. First rule in triage is pass over the people that won't have a chance to survive. Someone smashed between cars with multiple obvious and more not so obvious injuries has got virtually no chance to live through that.

And her speech outside of the door to George was just ridiculous. I can't even pick out how annoying some of the things she does is. I'm not ready to say that I hate her character at all. But sometimes I find myself saying "What the hell did she just say, How Stupid"

And another thing. If they bring Meredith back, they need to do research. Your hear starts to fibrillate at 88 degrees core temperature. At 85, you probably won't come back as anything more than a vegetable. At 80-- you're dunzo.

However, you are not dead until you are warm and dead in the ER so we shall see.

There's no way they're actually going to do it...but I think it would be amazing if they would...maybe bring her back like they brought back Kyra in DIRT...that would be insane but great

Yeah, so in conclusion....theres no way, she's the lead, her name is in the title and there is just no way its going to happen

Hey, it is a TV show. It is fiction.

There is no way in real life that almost every cop, investigator or lawyer in just about every prime time program is either a hunk or a babe, either.

It is impossible that crimes get solved in mere days and perps get convicted in a few weeks as happens routinely in L&O.

There is no way for Jack Bauer to get from one side of another of Los Angeles in only a few minutes.

So put Meredith's temperature in that kind of prime time entertainment context.

It's TV - enjoy it or not, but suspend your belief a little and relax.

Shark Jumped.

Predictable, awful tripe. Who didn't see her mom's death coming and the post-mortem reconciliation? Cliched and just boring, with no tension whatsoever because it was obvious they weren't going to kill her.

Awesome episode....loved it...you guys complaining, what were you expecting? For them to kill off the main character that the show is named after? Gimme a freaking break...it was cute and funny and thats all Greys was ever meant to be...

Loved to see the old faces...Grey's Anatomy is great

We got exactly what we were expecting, and what we've seen hundreds of times before - a cheap ratings stunt. Hence the complaining.

Blame Nielsen and their antiquated system of gathering local affiliate viewing numbers. Blame Grey's for participating in the same ridiculous stunts despite being one of the most watched shows on TV - even without them.

lax01: what am i expecting? a good storyline. If you dont plan to tease viewers by pretending to kill off the main character, why do it at all? they dont have any other creative ideas than to waste a 3 episode arc on 'hey wtf medical miracles happen, lets go back to having sex with random people starting in two weeks again as if nothing happened...'

it was a shallow cheap ratings stunt and i lost so much respect for shonda rhimes and the rest of the writers. its like they wrote this episode on the back of a napkin, what the hell was the point of that purgatory scene? that seemed totally a ripoff from the sopranos, expect a lot more poorly done. just left a horrible taste in my mouth.

lax01: what am i expecting? a good storyline. If you dont plan to tease viewers by pretending to kill off the main character, why do it at all? they dont have any other creative ideas than to waste a 3 episode arc on 'hey wtf medical miracles happen, lets go back to having sex with random people starting in two weeks again as if nothing happened...'

it was a shallow cheap ratings stunt and i lost so much respect for shonda rhimes and the rest of the writers. its like they wrote this episode on the back of a napkin, what the hell was the point of that purgatory scene? that seemed totally a ripoff from the sopranos, expect a lot more poorly done. just left a horrible taste in my mouth.

actually, the whole point of her dying, was to really show how messed up Meredith was...after dealing with her mom and everything else that has happened to her, she's really in bad shape...tease the viewer? EVERYONE knew she wasn't going to die...you really thought they'd kill her?

I also don't think they're all going to go back to normal in 2 weeks....what I like about this show is that they allow the characters to get comfortable and then they throw them a curve-ball (i.e.: ferry boat accident)...then we spend another few episodes resolving how that affects the characters...I have no doubt that Meredith will be a totally different person next episode...

Nobody said it was purgatory...they left it very vague on purpose...and I assure you, if you read her blog, Shonda worked incredibly hard on these episodes...

What is the point here? You like the show or you don't.

Just like "Lost" or "The Sopranos" or "The Office" or anything else on TV.

It certainly doesn't make one viewer "better" than another, or that he or she has better taste whether he or she likes "Grey's" or is entertained by "American Idol" or finds enjoyment watching "CSI".

But it seems to make lots of people feel better to claim some kind of self-professed cultural superiority. So this has become just like so many of the product threads where people who don't have LCDs or perhaps front projectors or (fill in the blank here) are sneered at by their supposed "betters" for their lack of interest in quality.

It is just a television show. If it didn't work for you, so be it.

If we are all so earnestly looking for truly deeper meaning, there are probably far better venues to begin our search than network TV programming.

If we are all so earnestly looking for truly deeper meaning, there are probably far better venues to begin our search than network TV programming.

Yep - Battlestar Galactica. ;)

as much as i like greys anatomy (well before this 3 episode arc) House is much better show in terms of the respect they have for their characters and not participating in cheap ratings fodder. I dont care how Shonda spins these episodes on her blog and showers herself with some undeserved sense of accomplishment, this last episode was the most slipshod thing i've seen on tv in years.

looks like I hafta agree with the prevalent opinion here with the exception being that I really liked the first two of the three episodes. I didn't care for the seeing Denny and the dead people, might have just been that they drug it out to long! I love this show ather than it bringing out my inner wuse, seems like I'm tearing up on a regular basis!!!

I also don't think they're all going to go back to normal in 2 weeks


Well, duh.....the Feb Sweeps are only 4 weeks.

While I really wouldn't have minded if they did indeed get rid of Meredith, she is the main character so I knew my wish wouldn't be granted. They shouldn't have written it such that she ends up fine and intact at the end as if she is supposed to just continue as normal. She should have at least some sort of temporary/remnant effect of that traumatic ordeal. Seems like they are really setting up Addison's character for leaving afterall, based on her revelation to Mark that Derrick never felt that way about her. Guess we'll see if her deal works out with Mark.

Band Name... Denny and the dead people!!

I know the show is just fantasy and I know it's just a soap opera but I wish it would not go so over board for ratings that things just seem ridiculous.

1. Meredith has no brain activity for an hour but she recovers as if she just had a long nap.

2. The best doctor for handling brain problems is her boy friend but he can't help her.

3. Her mother dies just in time to convince her to go back in there and carry on the fight. And OBTW, she convinces her she is not anything like she had been telling her for the past few days.

4. The chief doesn't have time to talk to meredith's mother when she was alive but, suddenly, he finds time when she is dead.

5. Meredith's best friend goes shopping with no wallet or any visible means to pay for anything.

Yea, I'm being picky. But I actually like this show even if they have to have tears every episode. But please, pretty please, I just wish they would stick to some semblance of reality. I'm sure the actors would appreciate it. They are the ones that really make me watch. They make the most ridiculous situations seem like it actually could happen.

If "reality" becomes a standard, just about every show on prime time would be in trouble: "24", "Lost", the "CSIs", "House", the "L&O" franchise, "Desperate Housewives", "NCIS", "The Unit", "Ghost Whisperer", "ER", "Criminal Minds", "Bones" and "Without A Trace" just to name a few of the shows normally in the top 30 which don't come anywhere close to reality.

But then we deal with reality every day in our lives, and reality just isn't all that entertaining.

You want reality? There is always "60 Minutes". But come to prime time TV and be prepared to suspend your disbelief. Or simply change the channel when a show's fantasy goes too far to suit your own taste.

It isn't as much the unbelievability, it's all the hype leading up to this story arc promising a "shocker of a death that you'd never expect" or "a major character will die". Coupled with the creators comments patting herself on the back for the genius of the plot twist.

Then we get the same schtick we've seen dozens of times before using a completely unbelievable way to carry it out. The major character death turned out to be a minor sub-character of little relevance. Having Lara Flynn Boyle carried off the roof of the Montecito by a gust of wind (on Las Vegas) was ridiculously unrealistic, but was at least a creative plot twist.

This was just a cheap ratings stunt, and the lack of realism is only hard to swallow because it was only to deliver this sad cliche`of a plot.

I agree than Shonda tends to get too self-congratulatory for my taste. But the over the top promos have been a TV way of life for decades. (And it seemed to me to be a fairly expensive ratings stunt.)

Most promos, by the way, try to make you believe it would be better to lose a relative than missing the next "shocking" or "amazing" of "life-changing" episode of "ER" (or "Lost" or "Gilmore Girls" or "The War At Home" or "CSI: Dubuque").

Few people read as many spoilers about as many different shows as I do. But when I watch, I just try to forget the hype, the spoilers and everything else and just enjoy the show.

It is not surprising, unnerving or even unpleasant that a large number of folks on this overwhelmingly male-dominated forum have issues with "Grey's".

That's fine. I enjoy it.

And that's fine, too.

You want reality? There is always "60 Minutes".

LOL ... or even better, "Dan Rather Reports." ... grueling ... exhausting ... I feel always feel like asking what will be on the final exam. ;) :D

I know the show is just fantasy and I know it's just a soap opera but I wish it would not go so over board for ratings that things just seem ridiculous.

1. Meredith has no brain activity for an hour but she recovers as if she just had a long nap.

2. The best doctor for handling brain problems is her boy friend but he can't help her.

3. Her mother dies just in time to convince her to go back in there and carry on the fight. And OBTW, she convinces her she is not anything like she had been telling her for the past few days.

4. The chief doesn't have time to talk to meredith's mother when she was alive but, suddenly, he finds time when she is dead.

5. Meredith's best friend goes shopping with no wallet or any visible means to pay for anything.

Yea, I'm being picky. But I actually like this show even if they have to have tears every episode. But please, pretty please, I just wish they would stick to some semblance of reality. I'm sure the actors would appreciate it. They are the ones that really make me watch. They make the most ridiculous situations seem like it actually could happen.It was absurd IMO. She was beyond having permanent brian damage last week! I watched a few minutes of this bologna, rolled my eyes and thought "I hope the b$tch dies" and flipped the channel. "If its gotten this ridiculous just kill her off already". Although I knew very well they would bring her back to life. I guess this unbelievable formula is entertaining for the sesame street crowd. :rolleyes:

It was absurd IMO. She was beyond having permanent brian damage last week! I watched a few minutes of this bologna, rolled my eyes and thought "I hope the b$tch dies" and flipped the channel. "If its gotten this ridiculous just kill her off already". Although I knew very well they would bring her back to life. I guess this unbelievable formula is entertaining for the sesame street crowd. :rolleyes:

have you ever been to a hospital? I don't work at one, so I could be completely off, but I don't think that EVERY SINGLE PERSON that works there is gorgeous....by your logic, they should be using ugly doctors too...

You obviously need to stop watching the show if you expect this to be a realistic medical drama....I hope you don't watch House

The major character death turned out to be a minor sub-character of little relevance. Having Lara Flynn Boyle carried off the roof of the Montecito by a gust of wind (on Las Vegas) was ridiculously unrealistic, but was at least a creative plot twist.You do realize she weighs 70 bucks soaking wet?

Obviously this comes as no surprise, but ABC officially announced today it is picking another season of "Grey’s Anatomy".

Will all of the actors be back though? That's the question.

Will all of the actors be back though? That's the question.

I think this would be considered a spoiler if anyone answers this ;)

um wow...this thread is dead but that was by far the most amazing Greys in a long time...Adison's spin off is going to absolutely incredible if they bring that line-up back...I have goosebumps...

um wow...this thread is dead but that was by far the most amazing Greys in a long time...Adison's spin off is going to absolutely incredible if they bring that line-up back...I have goosebumps...

The spin off looks very promising... they merged the two together very well IMO. The flow of the show was very great.

That spin off was the worst TV I have ever seen. It was one cliche character after another. Every scene was about sex, sexual tension, etc. That script was clearly created by a computer because there was nothing original in it. And, they "forced" viewers to watch it by weaving it into an episode of Grey's. It was cleaver marketing but the poorest excuse for night time programming I have ever seen.

I agree. I thought the spin-off episode was terrible - so bad so that I thought it was written by a different writer than Grey's Anatomy (am I right?). A lot of corny, lame situations, the elevator voice was stupid, Addy's character behaved quite differently than on Grey's, overall extremely disappointing and if Addy indeed gets her own show, her castmates won't have to be disappointed as it won't last too long. If someone DVR'ed the show last night, I'd recommend skipping the spin-off entirely as it's boring, adds nothing and the actual Grey's was much more interesting. Too bad no one told me that and I had to watch the spin off (though at the end of the show I figured it out and skipped over the spin-off parts).

Yea, that was pretty bad. My wife and I were laughing at how bad the dialogue was. Also, isn't it convienent that everybody in the office is "unattached"...it's so... real life! :rolleyes:

lol haters...I loved it...

Sark! Marcey! Paul Kellermen! Detective Brett Hopper! Piz!

How can you not love those people? They took all the characters from my favorite cancelled shows (well Prison Break isn't cancelled) and put them together....

Spinoff: I'm with dminches. Did NOT like it. Was bored within the first few minutes. I wonder if the Grey's fans are viewing through rose colored glasses.

I'd say skip it, except the Grey's back story was pretty important.

Spin off = awful

I too fast forwarded the "Private Practice" parts.

:rolleyes:

I feel scammed. I tuned in to watch Grey's. Not the spinoff. I stopped watching after the first half-hour. Felt like the spinoff was about to turn into an orgy or something along the lines of Nip/Tuck.
I'll watch the DVR tonight and FFW through all the spinoff crap.

(From Marc Berman’s Friday, May 4, 2007, Programming Insider column and blog at Mediaweek.com )
http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

“…The expanded new series pilot edition of Grey’s Anatomy on ABC dominated from 9-11 p.m., with the half-hour breakdown as follows:

Grey’s Anatomy
9:00 p.m.
Viewers: 20.79 million, A18-49: 8.7/23
9:30 p.m.
Viewers: 21.48 million, A18-49: 9.1/23
10:00 p.m.
Viewers: 20.93 million, A18-49: 9.1/24
10:30 p.m.
Viewers: 20.67 million, A18-49: 9.1/25

Overall, Grey’s Anatomy averaged 20.97 million viewers and a 9.0/24 among adults 18-49 from 9-11 p.m. Although the ratings are stellar, let’s be honest: Is Kate Walsh really strong enough an actress to anchor a new drama? If the spin-off does get on the air, I propose Monday at 9 p.m. out of Dancing With the Stars and into the relocated Men in Trees. How is that for a solid Monday, ABC?...”

• Source: Nielsen Media Research data

I feel scammed. I tuned in to watch Grey's. Not the spinoff. I stopped watching after the first half-hour. Felt like the spinoff was about to turn into an orgy or something along the lines of Nip/Tuck.
I'll watch the DVR tonight and FFW through all the spinoff crap.
Good idea. That will leave you with about 15 minutes of Grey's.

The spin-off crap was utterly laughable. Not because it was funny, but because it was so lame. We were, indeed, scammed into watching that crap. I didn't give a damn about the characters or the Hollywood storyline. I like Adison's character and would hate to see her leave Gray's Anatomy over this show that would likely tank.

VERY mean on the part of ABC to make us watch two shows (one good one and one really bad one) within two hours.

I thought the back-door pilot was more entertaining than Greys. It seemed to deal with more mature themes than 20-something hormones, but maybe not worth watching on a weekly basis. I decided that the deal-breaker would be the voice in the elevator. As soon as I heard it, I decided that if the voice was in Addy's head, I wouldn't watch the series because it was heading in Ally McBeal territory. But if it turned out to be a security person, and stayed rooted in reality, I might watch episode 2.

I thought the spin-off story was a bit too Hollywood fluffy-like in character, but it is a pilot so I'll give it a few more views.

Getting back to Grey's, what was the deal with Thatcher's wife? Maybe I missed it, but did she die from having the hiccups? Did they ever tell us what the real problem was? I didn't get that subplot at all.

I thought the spin-off story was a bit too Hollywood fluffy-like in character, but it is a pilot so I'll give it a few more views.

Getting back to Grey's, what was the deal with Thatcher's wife? Maybe I missed it, but did she die from having the hiccups? Did they ever tell us what the real problem was? I didn't get that subplot at all.

She went septic from complications with the operation they performed to stop the hiccups...

I couldn't believe Thatcher slapped Mer...that was just unbelievable...her life, is just, wow bad...I felt so bad for her at that point...

I was surprised at how weak I thought the pilot was.

Perhaps it was because almost all the actors we know from other shows. In "Grey's" the vast majority of the actors do not resonate in our memories from other programs, thus we can invest in George or Mer or the Nazi or Izzie and not have them carry baggage from others shows.

And I thought the writing in the pilot was far too Ally McBeal-esque (talking elevator? was it related to the dancing baby?) and the actors way too established in our minds as other characters.

And getting back to the Seattle story line, killing off Thatcher's wife seemed needless to me, and it cuts out a nice story arc which could always have reappeared periodically. That character had no need to die. It seemed like a cheap sweep stunt -- and it wasn't needed in the slightest.

Will I watch "Private Practice"? Sure, for a while. But Shonda better figure out a way to get us invested in this strange group of characters. And to make us -- quickly! -- forget about their characters in all the shows they have appeared in previously.

Shonda DID write the spin-off?! Ouch!

Anatomy of a Spin-off: A Rocky Start
By Matt Roush TV Guide Critic May 4, 2007

Watching Thursday night’s underwhelming, overly frenetic “backdoor pilot” setup for the seemingly inevitable Grey’s Anatomy spin-off, I was reminded how blown away I wasn’t by the original Grey’s pilot as well. The Grey’s pilot had its problems, but this glossy new twist on the formula seems much more problematic.

When Grey’s first appeared, with the pilot held for mid-season in a year when Lost and Desperate Housewives exploded on the scene and turned ABC’s fortunes around, my initial thoughts were: Loved the cast. Liked the characters. But at first look, the reliance on heavy-handed voice-over (since dialed back a bit) and woe-is-me, life-as-an-intern-is-hard whining obscured many of the charms that would soon emerge, and it felt a bit generic.

By the end of that first half-season, though, I was hooked. The heightened mix of hospital drama and romantic comedy, lathered in torrid and twisty soap operatics, was infectious, and the wonderfully blended (by sex and race) cast pulled it off. At the very end of that mini-season, we were introduced to Addison (Kate Walsh), a significant spoiler in the Meredith-McDreamy relationship. And in one of the show’s more pleasant surprises, what could have been a cliché (the brittle bitch of an ex-wife) evolved in the following season into one of Grey’s richest characters: a brilliant but vulnerable woman picking up the pieces of her shattered personal life while acting as one of the more exacting yet compassionate mentors to the driven medical students on her watch. (That she took her attraction and flirtation with Alex to the next level? Well, this is Grey’s Anatomy, with an emphasis on anatomy.)

Of all the characters on the show to build a spin-off around, Addison makes sense. She is still a bit of an outsider, and since there’s no real future for her with Derek or the other horndogs on Seattle Grace’s staff, let’s see where her quest “to be happy and free” (the Chief’s words) will take her.

Unfortunately, it took her to the New Age-y, touchy-feely Oceanside Wellness Group, which might as well be renamed L.A. Sex-pital. Grey’s sometimes gets knocked for its Ally McBeal tendencies, but this place is infected by Ally-itis, with cringingly cutesy flourishes of forced whimsy at every turn. Everyone on the staff seems on the verge of a perpetual emotional breakdown or crying jag, and upon arrival, Addison launched into a silly stream of infantile babbling like an overripe Ally. Around the third or fourth time the elevator talked back to Addison, I found myself wondering where the unisex bathroom was. When Addison actually apologized to the elevator (before being introduced to the unseen security guard on the other side of the creepy surveillance camera), I really missed Seattle. (Although the stories going on back home at the mother ship weren’t exactly inspired this week, either. Tell me you didn’t see Mare Winningham’s hours were numbered when she came in with that tragic case of hiccups.)

Back at Oceanside, the writing was forced, the chaotic atmosphere was instantly tiresome, but the cast couldn’t be prettier. Tim Daly (who deserved a hit in Eyes and possibly The Nine), Merrin Dungey (looking luminous), Taye Diggs, Amy Brenneman, junior beefcake Chris Lowell, and my favorite — because Shonda Rhimes writes nebbishes so well — Paul Adelstein (a world removed from his Prison Break villainy) as a sad-sack doc who’s turned to Internet dates that tend to backfire. Pretty solid ensemble there, although it’s unclear if any of these characters (including Addison, as written in this episode) could actually carry the show. I’m not sure any one character has to. I just wish they’d all let up a bit.

Did I really need to hear Violet the neurotic shrink (Brenneman) describe her ex as “smelling like pee?” Or “Dr. Feelgood” Diggs remark, “Don’t talk about your penis while you hug another man.” And so on. I almost expected to see Denny Crane as a guest patient. Maybe for November sweeps.

“It’s more fun than a stuffy hospital,” Naomi (Dungey) told Addison about life at Oceanside. Which may be true, but one person’s fun is another person’s migraine.

Ordering up a Grey’s Anatomy spin-off is, in business terms, a no-brainer. Does that mean the show has to be as well?

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Roush-Dispatch/Anatomy-Spinoff-Rocky/800014269

My wife watched the new show last night while I was working on my computer. I had to leave the room to go stick needles in my eyes.

I almost expected to see Denny Crane as a guest patient. Maybe for November sweeps.

lol!

What garbage. Garbage writing, acting and casting. The spin off has absolutely no chance of survival. We made it about halfway through before we were FF'ing through all the LA scenes. I was embarrased for them all.

My wife doesn't get the surfer dweeb being the supposed eye-candy for the show. He's as mis-cast as he is as Veronica Mars' love interest.

All this talk about this spin-off show and how bad it looks already and it made me have to record ER in analog instead of digital-HD. I've since adjusted Grey's timer to catch the Friday replay....

What garbage. Garbage writing, acting and casting. The spin off has absolutely no chance of survival. We made it about halfway through before we were FF'ing through all the LA scenes. I was embarrased for them all.

My wife doesn't get the surfer dweeb being the supposed eye-candy for the show. He's as mis-cast as he is as Veronica Mars' love interest.
I agree, I was thinking that everytime they showed his character, the guy didn't even have a decent tan. :p

... and areolas the size of silver dollars. ;)

'Grey’s Anatomy'
The New Modern Woman, Ambitious and Feeble
By Alessandra Stanley The New York Times May 5, 2007

It’s time to play the blame game.

Everything wrong with “Grey’s Anatomy” and its soon-to-be spun spinoff is the fault of “Ally McBeal.”

Mary Tyler Moore and Marlo Thomas were early prototypes of the quirky but lovable career girl. David E. Kelley’s hit series about a deeply neurotic lawyer named Ally McBeal marked a turning point in the devolution of women’s roles in television comedy — the moment when competent-but-flaky hardened into basket case.

Thursday’s two-hour episode of ABC’s “Grey’s Anatomy,” in which Addison (Kate Walsh) has an emotional meltdown and flees Seattle Grace Hospital for a fancy wellness clinic in Los Angeles, serves as a prelude to a new, still untitled series centered on Addison and her new life in Southern California. It also suggests that the spinoff is doomed to be even sillier and more sex-obsessed than the original. And that is an achievement, considering that “Grey’s Anatomy” managed to squeeze in love scenes for a disfigured, pregnant disaster victim with amnesia.

Sex isn’t the problem with the new series; it’s the subjugation. Addison looks up her old friend from medical school whose perfect marriage has just ended and finds herself enmeshed with two other mature, reputable professionals: a fertility specialist and a psychotherapist. All three women are lovelorn, sex-starved and prone to public displays of disaffection.

On “Grey’s Anatomy” at least two female characters, Christina (Sandra Oh) and Dr. Bailey (Chandra Wilson) have confidence, big egos and an ability to keep their sorrows to themselves most of the time. The female leads on the new series are fragile and pitiable, and it’s a worrisome imbalance. The HBO series “Sex and the City” made light of female insecurity and let its flighty heroines come out ahead. Here even the most successful women are left behind in life.

It wouldn’t matter, since the show is admittedly over-the-top escapist fantasy for women, except that it is troubling that even in escapist fantasies, today’s heroines have to be weak, needy and oversexed to be liked by women and desired by men.

Ms. Walsh, a tall, elegant beauty, looks enough like Catherine Deneuve for the resemblance to have been threaded into a subplot of one episode. Addison first showed up at the hospital as a coolly amused villainess who intimidated the show’s heroine, Meredith (Ellen Pompeo). Over time and plot twists, her character evolved into a more likable colleague, but for some reason, that change required her to become dizzier, chattier and very much like the ever confused and self-doubting Meredith — and, of course, Ally McBeal.

On Thursday’s episode Addison thought she heard imaginary voices in the elevator, made inappropriate sexual comments to a stranger and was generally in need of a man; she turned swoony when a handsome, lecherous colleague kissed her in a stairwell.

Shonda Rhimes, who created “Grey’s Anatomy,” also came up with the spinoff. Somehow, even in the hands of a woman, a show about female doctors finds humor and solace in their distress. Self-deprecation has been replaced with self-denigration.

People complain that hip-hop stars use obscene lyrics and lewd music videos to demean women. Sometimes, so do even the most bourgeois women’s television shows.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/05/arts/television/05grey.html?ref=television&pagewanted=print

Grey’s Anatomy: The Creator/Writer Explains
Shonda Rhimes on "The Other Side of This Life"/ ("Private Practice")
(from the Grey’s Anatomy “Grey Matter” blog)
By Shonda Rhimes, May 4, 2007

So I owe you an explanation. For this episode (for these two episodes, I should say). I owe you that. You’ve stuck with me through Season Three and now you want answers, damn it! You want an explanation.

You are preaching to the proverbial choir. If you were a preacher and I was a choir. Which…I’m not a choir cause I can’t sing but maybe you are actually a preacher and…rambling. The point is, when I watch TV and things happen like the Scooby Gang raises Buffy out of her scary grave or Felicity goes back in time or they take their sweet time telling me what those numbers mean over on Lost...I get a little nutty. I sometimes get irate. Because these are my shows. These are my people. These are my FRIENDS THESE WRITERS ARE MESSING WITH.

I don’t say this lightly. I am a hardcore TV watching fanatic. I was deprived of it as a kid. So now, as an adult, I am deep into it. I dig my TV. So when shows take leaps, I go a little out of my mind.

I go a little out of my mind, I shake my fist to the heavens, I tear at my hair and I ask the writing gods “WHY?!!!!”

“WHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!!!!!!!”

I go all drama on my own ass and then I lie back down on the sofa and keep watching. Mainly because I’m lazy and shaking one’s fist to the heavens is exhausting. But also because I’m interested in seeing what happens next. And because the writers have asked me to leap and so I’m gonna leap with them.

Also because, now? Now I get it. I so totally get it. It’s freakin’ gotten.

Here’s what happened to me:

I was sitting in the editing room one day watching Mer and Burktina and the gang doing all the stuff they do. I love the editing room – it’s like this cocoon where I’m alone with the characters (and the editor) and it’s where I get a lot of my ideas. And for the first time ever since working on this show, I got an idea that was Grey’s Anatomy but…not Grey’s Anatomy. It was something else. It was Addison driving down the freeway with her hair blowing all over her face. So I started writing it down, this not Grey’s Anatomy idea. I started writing it down in secret because I knew Betsy and Shoots With No Script would very gently explain that I had lost my mind and then send in the guys with the strait jackets. Because we are very busy here at Greys. We don’t have time for non-Grey’s ideas. We are a hard-working people.

Except I had this idea and it had already worked its way under my skin and I had to write it down. Or else I’d get in one of those moods. Things happen when I’m in those moods. Things like Meredith drowning. And I love Mer and wanted to keep her away from the water. So I wrote it down. And I gave it to the studio and the network.

It became something. A script that was part-Grey’s, part something else. And then it became news around town and suddenly my tiny little written down something was being paid a lot of attention by the outside world. Next thing you know, they’re calling it a spinoff.

This episode, it’s NOT a spinoff. It’s Addison going down to LA to complete the story we’ve been laying out for her for two seasons. It’s the culmination of Meredith’s family story. It’s Burktina and the wedding and Izzie, Callie and George and that hideous triangle they are stuck in. It’s the beginning of the end of Season Three.

And I’m warning you now: the ride to the end of the season? You may want to buckle up and store your luggage in the overhead compartment because this ride is gonna be bumpy. I’ll explain more after the finale. I’ll talk about where we are headed in Season Four. Because I think Season Four is gonna rock. The fun is back in Season Four. But for right now, I guess I’ll just talk about the here and the now. About what is right in front of us.

So. Even though we took this detour down to Los Angeles, what I want to talk about is what happened in Seattle. To Meredith. To Cristina. To Izzie. Because things are not working out the way they planned. George is leaving for Mercy West and Izzie feels responsible. Cristina’s facing the fact that she’s going to have to compromise what she wants yet again for Burke. And Meredith…well, Meredith is losing another mother. Worse, she’s losing her father. And even worse than that, she may be losing Derek.

But my favorite moment is Alex. Who, when Ava asks him what happened to him that has made it so hard for him to connect, simply shrugs and says “Maybe I don’t remember.” He remembers. But he can’t face up to it. Not yet. Alex is the guy we know the least about and the one struggling the most. And I kinda love him for it. Because he wants to be a better guy – he’s just not sure he IS a better guy.

In this episode, our people in Seattle all hit a crossroads while our girl in Los Angeles finds a new road altogether. I’m hoping you like the new road. I’m hoping I get a chance to show you how good this road can be.

But for now, the detour is over. Now, we’ve got the last two episodes of this season to bring to you. Where we are going might make you shake your fists to the heavens and scream. But we are leaping. So, if your sofa is comfy, maybe you could lie back down and leap with us?

http://www.greyswriters.com/

So I finally watched it last night... what a mess. First, can someone, anyone on the show just be happy and stay happy? To quote the show... seriously? The character I like most about now is Alex!!! And that's just wrong. The rest of them frankly could go poof in a plane crash. Especially Patrick Dempset. Seriously.

All I can say is:
Thank goodness I HD DVRd it instead of having to watch every second of it on it's live run. I found myself caring less about Addison and her trip to that clinic or whatever it was. It was so boring and clashed so much with the rest of Grey's that I hope that it does spin off to another doomed show so they can stop having to mesh that crap into Grey's episodes. After the first two scenes of Addison's little trip, I ended up jumping past every single scene of hers. What a mess indeed. It was in glorious HD, but I still couldn't bring myself to watch that complete mess. I only watched the Merideth, Izzie, George, Christina, Alex, and McDreamy scenes. Everything else was instantly jumped over after a few pushes of a single button, made possible through the magic that is HD DVR.
I love technology. :D

About the plot: Christina needs to get the corn cobb outta her butt and learn to compromise or live the rest of her life alone. That is what being married is all about. She needs to think about Burke and what he might want. When she was single she could have everything she wanted but if she wants to get married she needs to learn to sacrifice some things for the sake of the relationship. All of this is providing she loves Burke enough to make that sacrifice.
McDreamy needs to see that no career could ever take the place of a wonderful woman like Merideth and he should be ashamed of himself for giving her the cold shoulder after getting the sex from her that he wanted. He should he on his knees begging her forgiveness.
George needs to wake the heck up and see that him and Callie have absolutely nothing in common and jumped into marriage way too soon. He also needs his head examined when he has a woman like Izzie: a total hottie with a heavenly hard body that is head over heals crazy for him and wants to seriously jump his bones over and over again. Amazing women like that don't stay waiting too long, and from what I can tell Alex will be very alone and very available for her to fall back on. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to take her back and tend to her "needs". :p

I liked it it was as good as some of the funnier moments on Buffy.

Seriously with lines like these whats not to like...

"Where I come from, elevators tend to be this kind of aphrodisiac, you know? People get on them and just get all horny. ... It's a relief to be on a not-horny elevator."

"You're using fart logic!"

"Are you there elevator god? It's me Addison"

Siding with the "didn't like it" group re Addy's little sojourn to So Cal ... let's hope the spinoff is better.

Looks like we got more misery coming in GA ...

Seriously with lines like these whats not to like...

"Where I come from, elevators tend to be this kind of aphrodisiac, you know? People get on them and just get all horny. ... It's a relief to be on a not-horny elevator."

"You're using fart logic!"

"Are you there elevator god? It's me Addison"

I hope that's sarcasm.

I hope that's sarcasm.
What, that wasn't some of the finest, most intelligent dialog you've ever heard on TV..?? :p

I don't want my TV shows to be too smart. I want to be able to relax and have fun. Granted my level of "fun" is just slightly above the sitcoms that I can't stand. If I want something kind of intelligent I listen to NPR . This is part of the reason why shows like Studio 60 don't get the big ratings. Every once in a while a show can pull off both like Boston Legal and even it barely gets enough viewers to stay alive.

Normally I would say if someone wants intelligence in entertainment find a book but since here we are all TV fans it doesn't really apply.

I don't want my TV shows to be too smart. I want to be able to relax and have fun. Granted my level of "fun" is just slightly above the sitcoms that I can't stand. If I want something kind of intelligent I listen to NPR . This is part of the reason why shows like Studio 60 don't get the big ratings. Every once in a while a show can pull off both like Boston Legal and even it barely gets enough viewers to stay alive.

Normally I would say if someone wants intelligence in entertainment find a book but since here we are all TV fans it doesn't really apply.

I agree! Great post dude.

I must be the only one here, but I liked what I saw of the spinoff while I watched Grey's yesterday. As the writer from the Times put it, it was Ally Mcbeal like and I liked Ally. You really can't tell too much from what we saw b/c it was somewhat disjointed but you could get a feel for what direction they want to take the show.

I agree with the point about the surfer guy being totally miscast. I don't buy him for one moment being a receptionist and I certainly don't buy the women getting all wet over him.

All I can say is:
Thank goodness I HD DVRd it instead of having to watch every second of it on it's live run. I found myself caring less about Addison and her trip to that clinic or whatever it was. It was so boring and clashed so much with the rest of Grey's that I hope that it does spin off to another doomed show so they can stop having to mesh that crap into Grey's episodes. After the first two scenes of Addison's little trip, I ended up jumping past every single scene of hers. What a mess indeed. It was in glorious HD, but I still couldn't bring myself to watch that complete mess. I only watched the Merideth, Izzie, George, Christina, Alex, and McDreamy scenes. Everything else was instantly jumped over after a few pushes of a single button, made possible through the magic that is HD DVR.
I love technology. :D

About the plot: Christina needs to get the corn cobb outta her butt and learn to compromise or live the rest of her life alone. That is what being married is all about. She needs to think about Burke and what he might want. When she was single she could have everything she wanted but if she wants to get married she needs to learn to sacrifice some things for the sake of the relationship. All of this is providing she loves Burke enough to make that sacrifice.
McDreamy needs to see that no career could ever take the place of a wonderful woman like Merideth and he should be ashamed of himself for giving her the cold shoulder after getting the sex from her that he wanted. He should he on his knees begging her forgiveness.
George needs to wake the heck up and see that him and Callie have absolutely nothing in common and jumped into marriage way too soon. He also needs his head examined when he has a woman like Izzie: a total hottie with a heavenly hard body that is head over heals crazy for him and wants to seriously jump his bones over and over again. Amazing women like that don't stay waiting too long, and from what I can tell Alex will be very alone and very available for her to fall back on. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to take her back and tend to her "needs". :p

Really. McDreamy is experiencing the classic case of dating a girl that's too young. At some point you get tired of the childish behavior and you're focused on your career and she's whining about not spending enough time with you. Then to top it off, she's 22 and you're 30 and you tell her that you'll spend some time with her when you get a chance and she still isn't satisfied. She comes by your townhome when you aren't expecting it and it pisses you off. She then tries to use her tight little body that she spends all that time in the gym working on to try to distract you. You still love her and all but you're soooo over it. Ok, so McDreamy wants the top position, who wouldn't want it? If it means letting Meridith go, then so be it. It's better that he is honest about how much effort he'll have to put into the job and as such he is caring b/c he knows that the job would affect their relationship in a bad way.

Meridith can be at the least 25 years old, not 22. You have 4 years of college and then 4 years of medical school before you can be an intern. That would make her young, just not that young.

Actually, McDreamy needs to consider his involvement with Mer very carefully, afterall, this is a woman who tried to commit suicide, she obviously has some very serious psychological problems.

(of course, the showrunners can just wisk away those issues as easily as they brought her back from dead. :rolleyes: )

Meridith can be at the least 25 years old, not 22. You have 4 years of college and then 4 years of medical school before you can be an intern. That would make her young, just not that young.

True, she is probably 25 but the premise is still the same even when she's 24. ;)

True, she is probably 25 but the premise is still the same even when she's 24. ;)

Actually, in real life, she's 37.... :)

She looks nearly 40.

She looks nearly 40.

She looked much younger in Old School. HD certainly doesn't do her any favours.

Yeah, that is part of the problem... Patrick Dempsey almost looks younger than her ;)

I guess I have to pile on here and agree that Ellen Pompeo, who will turn 38 this year, looks way too old these days to be playing a twenty-something surgical resident. She has a beautiful baby face and in earlier seasons I didn’t think much about how much older she was than the character she was playing. But this year, it has been painfully obvious.

I rather enjoyed the faux pilot with Addison in LA. It was light and silly but not at all hard to take, I thought.

Maybe it's just me, but I thought that Pompeo was like 28 or 29 in real life from looking at her. I actually think Sandra Oh looks older that a mid 20 something, but then again I know how old Sandra is in real life.

I didn't realize that these characters were supposed to be in their twenties. I just thought they were in their thirties.

Nah, they are residents... most doctors are done with residency before 30.

Shows how much I know about that.

I never watched Grey's Anatomy but tried to watch the end tonight. The "background" music should be called "foreground" music because it was so loud I could not catch what the characters were saying. Is this a usual problem? Something only heard on the HD version? A local affiliate (WPVI-DT Philadelphia) problem? Or, just annoying sound mixing?

I've always thought the music on this show was annoying. Those high female voices just grate on my ears.

The actors who play Meredith, Christina, Alex and George are all between 34-37 in real life. Izzie is only 28. I figured they were playing interns in their late 20's and early 30's, not mid 20's.

Ellen Pompeo does look bad in HD. But Katherine Heigl looks great!

The audio issue has been a major issue this season. I believe that the directors have decided that they can make money on the music that plays during this show (they have Grey's Anatomy music CDs for purchase), but they've forgotten the core show and that we need to hear the dialogue. To this end, I ALWAYS have to turn up my center channel and then turn the master volume down to get a good mix with less of that very annoying music. The fact that I have to do this tells me that they are pushing the music WAY too loud and it is VERY unappreciated.

I can't keep watching your show if I can't hear the actors.

Also, this show was really great during its first season. But now, it has become a hit and, as a result, it has become a major sell-out. Here's why:
I'm still kinda pissed that they are pawning off this spin-off on us. That two-hour California episode was just a cheap pathetic attempt to get us to watch another show. The fact is, the spin-off will suck and Grey's Anatomy will get worse without the Addison character.
The music situation. EVERY episode is full of "featured artists" because they realize they may be able to make a few bucks selling the CDs. That's just getting overly greedy. I can understand that it's a TV network and they need to make money wherever they can, but this is over the top.
The show is still good, but it is becoming really predictable. I knew, when the intern exams were being taken that someone was going to fail. And I figured it would be George because he was distracted by Izzy. When Izzy asked George how he did and he said he passed, I knew he was lying. It was not a shocker during the "Did I fail you, George?" scene. We all knew Addison wasn't going to become Chief surgeon because of the spin-off; we knew McSteamy wasn't going to become Chief surgeon because he was a late-comer to the show and his character hasn't been built up to be likable enough; we knew Burke wasn't going to become Chief surgeon because of his wrist issue and because he's already tied up in a different story-line (with Christina); so that left Derek. We knew that was going to happen. Also, we knew it was most likely going to be Chief Webber's baby. After all, we had never met the other man and it wouldn't be too dramatic if it wasn't his baby, now would it? We knew that Meredith is wacky and doesn't deserve Derek, but that she's so wacky, she wouldn't be able to let him go without the wedding incident. Like Meredith said, "It's over", I am over their relationship too. I was over it episodes ago.

The only thing I didn't see coming was the girl from the bar being one of the new interns coming in, but who knew we were supposed to get a new batch of interns this episode. Seems like we're getting a little more ER-ish. Out with the Clooney's and in the the Ramos'.

And that girl from the bar is Meridith's half sister. They could effectively write Meridith out now and still keep the Grey's Anatomy title...... I wonder if or how many of the old cast interns are leaving the show.

I know they want to explore more of Alex's character. But, you're right. It will be interesting to see who stays and who goes. If I have to meet a whole new group of interns just to follow this show, I think they are asking too much of their viewers. However, they do seem to be focusing on Merideth's half sister.

Now, imagine the dynamics when Meredith finds out that Derek was referring to her half-sister at the bar. I wonder why Meredith doesn't go all postal on her family. She hasn't been treated very well by a single person. Maybe she would have been better off not being saved after the drowning.

Grey’s Anatomy has been one of my favorite shows for a long time but last night’s season finale was a disappointment, especially the last 10 or 15 minutes. I nearly choked on the soapsuds.

This show REALLY, REALLY needs to take a lesson from ER and drop a helicopter on Merideth, George, and Izzy. Their characters have become so over-the-top cry-baby soap opera stereotypes that the show has become unwatchable. Kill them off, change the name of the show to Seattle Grace, and be done with it.

This show REALLY, REALLY needs to take a lesson from ER and drop a helicopter on Merideth, George, and Izzy. Their characters have become so over-the-top cry-baby soap opera stereotypes that the show has become unwatchable. Kill them off, change the name of the show to Seattle Grace, and be done with it.

Yeah ... I could be done with the show now ... I managed to break my DH addiction perhaps it's time for GA to join the list.

I was less than pleased also with the finale...it was good but like people have said, predictable and not what I wanted to see...they need to resolve more relationships if Shonda really wants to start fresh (as she said she did in her blog). Personally, and I love Sandra Oh, but I'm tired of her character...she's annoying and totally ungrateful. For someone so smart about medicine, she sure knows nothing about herself and when Burke finally realized this, I was saying YES. He deserves better.

And I personally love the George, Izzie, Callie storyline...I can't wait for George to realize how wrong Callie is for him (not to mention she's ugly) and that he really loves Izzie...can't wait.

Mer and Derick, ugh, get it over with...its been 2 and 1/2 seasons...and I'm hoping its over with. Its boring now. Played out.

Alex...Easily the best character on the show...my favorite by far. Can't wait to see his future storylines.

New Grey...don't know if I like this yet...well see where they take it...

This show REALLY, REALLY needs to take a lesson from ER and drop a helicopter on Merideth, George, and Izzy. Their characters have become so over-the-top cry-baby soap opera stereotypes that the show has become unwatchable. Kill them off, change the name of the show to Seattle Grace, and be done with it.

Did you like the comment in last night's ER about Romano?

I agree with the bobby94928 about getting rid of Meredith and keeping the sister to keep to name consistent. Ever since that ridiculous drowning-death sequence where she went right back to work after dying, they turned me off. I cannot suspend disbelief that much. I just can't stand her character anymore.
They need to revamp the George /Izzy/Callie storyline as well. Still looking forward to see what next season holds though, especially with the new sister.

WARNING: POSSIBLE SPOILERS:

This show REALLY, REALLY needs to take a lesson from ER and drop a helicopter on Merideth, George, and Izzy. Their characters have become so over-the-top cry-baby soap opera stereotypes that the show has become unwatchable. Kill them off, change the name of the show to Seattle Grace, and be done with it.

Boy, do I ever agree with this! I have been watching ER reruns on TNT HD from 2002-04 and they have been wonderful. They, too, had their fair share of soapiness but at least the characters stayed true to themselves and were not made to do utterly out of character stuff like Meredith’s father did when he hit her – What was THAT all about? – and that Preston Burke did when he left Christina at the alter, after he had recited his vows to the women in the OR. Man alive, I may have been born at night, but it wasn’t last night.

Alex...Easily the best character on the show...my favorite by far. Can't wait to see his future storylines.
I agree that Alex Karev has become the most interesting character on the show. I admired the way he manned up, did the right thing, and let the Jane Doe character leave and return to her husband with their baby. Typical, though, of the consistent soapy writing on last night’s episode Karev then got some horrible advice to the contrary from Dr. Montgomery, whom I had previously believed to be way smarter than that.

This show REALLY, REALLY needs to take a lesson from ER and drop a helicopter on Merideth, George, and Izzy. Their characters have become so over-the-top cry-baby soap opera stereotypes that the show has become unwatchable. Kill them off, change the name of the show to Seattle Grace, and be done with it.


Seattle Grace...that sounds a bit too much like the old show Chicago Hope, which completely flamed out.

I sure hope they don't try to have to show follow another set of interns, but I'm unsure as to how they can keep the current cast and still show them interacting on a regular basis without going way over the top.

Seattle Grace...that sounds a bit too much like the old show Chicago Hope, which completely flamed out.

Do you mean the Chicago Hope that ran 6 seasons, 141 episodes, won 7 Emmys and a Golden Globe, and is currently airing in syndication? That Chicago Hope? I don't know why you say it flamed out. By anyone's standards, that was a very successful television show.

Do you mean the Chicago Hope that ran 6 seasons, 141 episodes, won 7 Emmys and a Golden Globe, and is currently airing in syndication? That Chicago Hope? I don't know why you say it flamed out. By anyone's standards, that was a very successful television show.

Yeah I probably mispoke about that. My comment was more based on my opinions of the show and not its actual merit. Apologies.

I never watched Grey's Anatomy but tried to watch the end tonight. The "background" music should be called "foreground" music because it was so loud I could not catch what the characters were saying. Is this a usual problem? Something only heard on the HD version? A local affiliate (WPVI-DT Philadelphia) problem? Or, just annoying sound mixing?
We had the same problem with Lost also, the music is so loud that the dialog is washed out. Crappy way to broadcast a show.

I was so disapointed in the finale. It was incredibly forced, and so depressing it really killed my desire for watching next season. Great job Shonda. People do like to see a happy ending every once in a while.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who wasn't thrilled with the finale.

For me, I'm still trying to figure out when GA jumped the shark (excluding the whole Meridith drowning ghost storyline). Was it when

a) George married Callie
b) George slept with Izzie
c) Izzie professes undying love for George
d) George agrees to have a baby with Callie
e) Meridith's Dad smacked her, then came back to the hospital and abused her again
f) George fails the intern exam
g) Bailey gets passed over for Chief Resident, in favor of Callie ???!!!???

I'm going with b...to me it seemed like that was too easy a plot line to go with.

TV Notebook
Isaiah Washington Checking Out of Grey’s Anatomy?
Us Weekly Wednesday May 23, 2007

The doctor may be out on Grey's Anatomy.

On the May 17 finale, Isaiah Washington's Dr. Preston Burke left his tentative bride-to-be, Cristina Yang, on their wedding day. And now it looks like Washington himself will be taking off as well.

“He will not be back as a series regular,” a source close to ABC tells Us, noting that the embattled star, 43 – who has been under fire ever since calling costar T.R. Knight, 34, a “f—got” – “could possibly show up for a few episodes” next season.

Still, Washington’s rep insists, “Isaiah is not off the show. We do not have a contract yet, but we expect to."

Katherine Heigl, 28, said her costar “just needs to stop talking” after Washington used the f-word again at the January 15 Golden Globes, but the damage had been done.

“The cast – especially the women – just don’t like him,” says a Grey’s source.

“The stars of the show really felt ABC made a mistake by keeping Isaiah [after his controversial behavior].”

Counters a Washington pal, “They won’t get rid of Isaiah because, with Kate [Walsh] leaving, they don’t want to ruin the magic.”

An ABC rep could not be reached for comment.

http://www.usmagazine.com/isaiah_washington_checking_out_of_grey_s_anatomy

So almost a YEAR without any posts... am I the only one watching? LOL

I just started checking out the tv threads and clicked on the last page of this one. I was reading the posts and thought "Why the hell are people talking about this stuff still?" then I looked at the dates of the posts. I assumed the last page would have recent activity!

Last nights episode was pretty good IMO. Too bad I was eating right when the guys intestines were shown coming out of him....

They surely twist the plot with the guy gutted out and the guy with the tumor... after hours of working on the first guy, stabilizing it, he just dies like that like all the stitches broke off or something.. nice special effects on the intestines part, even the see thru hand.. (classic green/blue room effect).

So George is living with Lexi now? I wonder when they will sleep together.. George has almost slept with the whole female crew! LOL

To tell you the truth, I was a little surprised when last night's episode showed up on my TiVo's To Do list. I was so disappointed with Grey's Anatomy by the end of last season, I had thought I had deleted my Season Pass. Last night's episode, in the immortal words of American Idol's, Simon Cowell, "wasn't terrible," but it wasn't that good, either. I guess I'll stick with it for another week or so. First run episodes of anything are pretty thin on the ground these days.

I'm surprise NOBODY posted anything even with the season finale last night..

Anyone care to discuss about the episode?

I missed what Dreamy said to Mer at the end (my kid changed channel a few seconds)..

So are they back or not? it seems not..

Well it seems my prediction that George would be sleeping with Lexi will come true, The tension is just too much, then we have celebrating, plus alcohol, plus she kinda liked that kiss equals you know what..

What I kinda seem surprised is Cal going Les... so this means she's one? or is she bi?

Ok so Alex kinda lost his love, but it seems way odd he wants so sleep with Izzie so badly and just right away, I guess he didn't really loved Rebecca but was more than Son-Mother love or something..

I'm surprise NOBODY posted anything even with the season finale last night..

Anyone care to discuss about the episode?
I have found this season's Grey's Anatomy so underwhelming that I had forgotten about the finale last night. I have not had time to watch it but I think my Season Pass caught it. If it did, I will try to post something after I see it. Thanks for the heads up.

Part of my problem with the show is Ellen Pompeo. She is a beautiful woman who has always looked years younger than her true age but she will be 39 this year and I am having a harder and harder time accepting her as a 20-something resident physician. For example, the equally beautiful and youthful looking Kate Walsh plays the age appropriate role of a seasoned obstetrician, although she is only two years older than Pompeo.

Yes, Ellen can't hide those wrinkles much I guess she doesn't like cosmetic surgery that could fix that..

Sandra Oh isn't that young either, the rest of the interns/residents are OK agewise, Izzie, George, Alex, Lexi.

Yes, Ellen can't hide those wrinkles much I guess she doesn't like cosmetic surgery that could fix that..

Sandra Oh isn't that young either.
My daughter and I were discussing Sandra Oh in this show the other day. Oh is a couple of years younger than Pompeo but doesn’t look it. Still, Oh doesn’t bother me because her looks as Cristina Yang, the driven, genius, seem to fit her better than Pompeo’s do as the beautiful ingénue, Meredith Grey.

I see nothing wrong with Alex wanting Izzie at that moment. Its called feeling vulnerable and just needing "some"! Then again, they could be pushing it in a direction of them being togehter for next season. Who knows, I stopped trying to see where they would go with Alex's charechter.

I think the show is still really good and this season didn't seem underwelming to my wife and I at all.

I'm surprise NOBODY posted anything even with the season finale last night..

Anyone care to discuss about the episode?

I missed what Dreamy said to Mer at the end (my kid changed channel a few seconds)..



My wife says that Derek told Meredith he couldn't do more than kiss her until he talked to Rose about it.

I'm surprise NOBODY posted anything even with the season finale last night..

Anyone care to discuss about the episode?

I missed what Dreamy said to Mer at the end (my kid changed channel a few seconds)..

So are they back or not? it seems not..

According to Shonda they're going to be together for good now. He said that he wanted to do more than kiss her but he couldn't before he talked to Rose.

Well it seems my prediction that George would be sleeping with Lexi will come true, The tension is just too much, then we have celebrating, plus alcohol, plus she kinda liked that kiss equals you know what..

Probably, they're just really starting to explore that though. That storyline is probably going to be be developing for a while into the next season.

What I kinda seem surprised is Cal going Les... so this means she's one? or is she bi?

There are also plenty of people these days that try to avoid those labels altogether, I kind of expect her to take that route. It makes sense when you think back on it though. They got rid of Burke after the whole Isaiah Washington hate speech debacle, and they didn't really have any gay characters who were regulars. It made sense to replace Burke with a gay character as some sort of condolence on the subject. But at least they waited around a whole season before pointing it out so the pandering wasn't so obvious.

Ok so Alex kinda lost his love, but it seems way odd he wants so sleep with Izzie so badly and just right away, I guess he didn't really loved Rebecca but was more than Son-Mother love or something..

Yeah, remember that they have had a sexual relationship in the past so it's not unfamiliar territory for them. And Alex was just looking for an escape from the pain. Just about all of the characters have used casual sex to escape their problems at some point.

Although, as noted earlier, I haven’t much liked this season’s Grey’s Anatomy episodes, I thought last night’s 2 hour finale was excellent. I enjoyed most of its several threads, particularly the kid in the concrete, the young girl with the brain tumor, and the information from the Chief’s files that Lexie passed on to George.

Part of my problem with the show is Ellen Pompeo. She is a beautiful woman who has always looked years younger than her true age but she will be 39 this year and I am having a harder and harder time accepting her as a 20-something resident physician. For example, the equally beautiful and youthful looking Kate Walsh plays the age appropriate role of a seasoned obstetrician, although she is only two years older than Pompeo

I've never thought that about Pompeo. Very average looking and actually below average to me because she's so thin. When the show first came on I thought Pompeo was way too old to be an intern. Kate Walsh is hot though!

To me Meredith is the one character on the show I could do without. Way too whiney for my tastes. I was hoping Derek would stay with Rose, who is much hotter than Meredith. I know it won't happen though.

Glad Meredith's therapy has actually helped her. Maybe she'll finally be happy now.

I've never thought that about Pompeo. Very average looking and actually below average to me because she's so thin. When the show first came on I thought Pompeo was way too old to be an intern. Kate Walsh is hot though!

To me Meredith is the one character on the show I could do without. Way too whiney for my tastes. I was hoping Derek would stay with Rose, who is much hotter than Meredith. I know it won't happen though.

Glad Meredith's therapy has actually helped her. Maybe she'll finally be happy now.
The most remarkable thing about Pompeo’s looks to me has always been how much younger she looked than her real age. For Example, I recently saw her in a Law & Order episode from 1996 in which she convincingly portrayed a girl in her mid-teens, although Pompeo was 26 at the time. Alas, that doesn’t work for her anymore, at least not in my view. I thought she was much more convincing as a young intern when the show started, three years ago, than she is now as a surgical resident.

Meredith is whiney, can be mean, and is just a little nuts, to boot. In short she is definitely her mother’s child. I gathered that McDreamy was going to tell Rose that it’s over and was coming right back to Meredith at the end of this week’s episode but, this being television, who knows? :)

I guess no one is watching this anymore?

Anyhow, anyone notice the circle patterns that appears on the screen a couple of times? Once as they faded to black for a commercial break towards the end and then another on one of the final scenes with Meridith talking to Christina, you could see it as Meredith stands up.

Wonder if that was some sort of subliminal thing or something.

I guess no one is watching this anymore?

Anyhow, anyone notice the circle patterns that appears on the screen a couple of times? Once as they faded to black for a commercial break towards the end and then another on one of the final scenes with Meridith talking to Christina, you could see it as Meredith stands up.

Wonder if that was some sort of subliminal thing or something.

Yeah, this show has never been very popular with AVSers it would seem. But I do know exactly what you're talking about with the circles. Really, it's like an oval gradient right at the center of the screen. I think I've seen it on a couple other ABC shows but it's definitely most noticeable on Grey's Anatomy. I've always assumed it had something to do with the camera or the filtering they use but I really have no idea what's behind it.

Maybe the circle part has something to do with the round ABC bug and the "circle#" bugs of affiliates?

Yes, those circles were a bit annoying, I thought they were part of the show, but they were mostly seen when they've gone to commercial breaks. Sadly the most interesting part of the episode were those circles! LOL.

My "predictions" are becoming half true, Lexi wants with George but he just wants to be friends, Izzie wants Alex but Alex is sleeping with other women, Cal is kinda pursuing her other side, Meredith kinda wants to get back with Derek, but not really.

So the only thing sure that came out was that the Chief was angry and it's going to put everyone to work.

Cristina with her new boyfriend-military doctor who kinda replaced Isaiah but he's trauma not heart..

can anybody confirm that this show is shot in 24fps?

thanks
Jeff

So, no return of the military guy, mmmm

I thought I saw in last week's preview that he's coming back tonight.

So, no return of the military guy, mmmm

Kevin McKidd needs to go back to Journeyman and get off the trainwreck known as Greys Anatomy :rolleyes:

I found it odd that last night's episode had a full set of ordinary credits at the end with no V/O, preview or vanity cards. Just checked the analog backup and found all of that. Someone forgot to insert the previews in the HD feed. Ok, I'm probably the only moron who notices things like that.

I found it odd that last night's episode had a full set of ordinary credits at the end with no V/O, preview or vanity cards. Just checked the analog backup and found all of that. Someone forgot to insert the previews in the HD feed. Ok, I'm probably the only moron who notices things like that.

Actually I made the same comment to my wife- who must think I nuts for noticing stupid things like that. I thought also that the show went past the hour mark on my dvr.

heh I noticed it too...almost like watching the DVD set


Kevin McKidd is good on the show...hopefully he will breathe new life into the show...

They need to kick Callie and the heart doctor off their show to their own crappy spinoff...its making the show drag when they are on screen. Also, the lack of Meredith screen time also helped this episode. A LOT. She needs less lines :)

Noticed that too. DVD-esque. Same reaction from the wife.

Meredith was well on screen, didn't talk that much, she was just assisting in that surgery.

So just like that Izzie and Alex together? after what Alex was doing? I didn't understand wha Lexi was trying to tell George, I missed the point there..

I didn't know that they allowed animals to be operated in regular hospitals, well, since they did that deer the other episode it didn't surprised me much...

Actually I made the same comment to my wife- who must think I nuts for noticing stupid things like that. I thought also that the show went past the hour mark on my dvr.

GA has been going over an hour for much of the last year. It should tell you on your PG but they regularly go one to seven minutes over. I have the show set to tape five extra minutes and this week the taping ended at 10:06pm.

...I didn't understand wha Lexi was trying to tell George, I missed the point there...

Lexi is in love with George. Personally, I hope they get together. He needs an equally soft spirit, rather than a demanding or broken girl.

They need to kick Callie and the heart doctor off their show WOW. Shonda Rimes lurks on AVS?? ;) Wonder what her screen name is..

WOW. Shonda Rimes lurks on AVS?? ;) Wonder what her screen name is..

lol somehow I wasn't disappointed by that spoiler!

Mary McDonnell was interesting last night....but I honestly think she plays a strong, assertive female much better than one with social issues. I don't know...I just don't think Grey's Anatomy is very good anymore...its borderline fantasy at this point and its really lost most of the magic that made it a compelling show in Season 1 and 2. Its too bad too (and I blame Private Practice for stretching Shonda)