and as we know most carriers don't carry Espn2HD and probably never will....comcast included

Originally posted by webboy10169
Interesting then how is the game in INHD2 in NY DMA?

Is your local cable company carrying the YES feed over INHD2? I said no one outside of the NY DMA would get it. Read what I said.

Only 2 issues I have seen so far are the replays from the 1st base side camera are in SD and the shot of the pitcher from behind home plate is SD and not upconverted..

no, that one is certainly not possible. You can't even get it in SD (622). Sports pack does not carry professional baseball out of market, much less HD!! LOL

I guess the question was whether MLB EI would give it to you, and this I think can't be answered tonight as MLBEI is not carrying this game tonight.

Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Any out of NY DMA DIRECTV HD customers that subscribe to SPORTS Pack get the game on channel 94?

-Robert

Ken, you are correct. The way Female BB outdraws the Yanks-Sox opener is if it gets featured on ESPN's flagship and the Baseball game gets relegated to a second-rate channel. Kind of like tonight. Head to head on competing broadcast networks NO WAY Women's hoops draws more.

Funny thing is, I bet it still comes close. I'll check the ratings out of curiousity.

Title nine my behind. (is that better?)

I wish I could listen to YES commentators. All that ESPN talks about during baseball is steroids, they don't even commentate the game, how annoying!

Originally posted by MnGuy
Is your local cable company carrying the YES feed over INHD2? I said no one outside of the NY DMA would get it. Read what I said.

I wasnt question what you said. I was questioning how is this game on INHD2 inside NY DMA?

Let me explain (which is really a reiteration of what you said)

Inside NY DMA = YesHD
outside NY DMA=ESPN2HD

Then how inhd2?

Originally posted by Greg099
Ken, you are correct. The way Female BB outdraws the Yanks-Sox opener is if it gets featured on ESPN's flagship and the Baseball game gets relegated to a second-rate channel. Kind of like tonight. Head to head on competing broadcast networks NO WAY Women's hoops draws more.

Funny thing is, I bet it still comes close. I'll check the ratings out of curiousity.

Title nine my behind. (is that better?)

Greg, the Women's Final Four championship last year was the highest rated college basketball game in the history of ESPN/ESPN2, men or women. You might not like it, but the Women's Final Four is a big-time premiere event.

Originally posted by bgall
I wish I could listen to YES commentators.

They are commenting a hell of a game :)

All that ESPN talks about during baseball is steroids
They think people care. ESPN's baseball blabbers are getting as bad as Fox's.

Originally posted by webboy10169
I wasnt question what you said. I was questioning how is this game on INHD2 inside NY DMA?

Let me explain (which is really a reiteration of what you said)

Inside NY DMA = YesHD
outside NY DMA=ESPN2HD

Then how inhd2?


Is it the YES coverage? I know cable outlets use the INHD2 channel for special events, like NBA TV games. I assume INHD2 programming is pre-empted and your cable co is carrying YES's feed on the INHD2 channel. Correct?

Originally posted by webboy10169
Then how inhd2?

INHD2 is just a channel placement for the game and the local carriers pre-empt what's on INHD2 to show the game. INHD has nothing to do with distributing the game

Originally posted by webboy10169


Then how inhd2?

INHD usually rebroadcast regional sport channels. The question is which feed is INHD actually using.

Originally posted by MnGuy
D* does not make the rules, they just follow 'em. Be mad about ESPN2 HD, but nothing they can do about this one.

Huh? Direct could have chosen to give us ESPN HD 2, but refrained.

Originally posted by jambroni
Huh? Direct could have chosen to give us ESPN HD 2, but refrained.

No doubt, as has been mentioned over and over, including my reply you quoted. But as to the YES feed, which is what we are discussing (notice the clever title of the topic), it is not D*s choice.

This inning needs to end :(
:) ok that worked

Originally posted by MnGuy
Is it the YES coverage? I know cable outlets use the INHD2 channel for special events, like NBA TV games. I assume INHD2 programming is pre-empted and your cable co is carrying YES's feed on the INHD2 channel. Correct?

Yes it seems that inhd2 is shut off and yes hd has been turned on in its place. I was just questioning how. I dont have cable (watching via D*).

A friend was expecting not to see the game and hasnt stopped im'ing me since the start of the game.

To those that predicted YES-HD two weeks ago...

Any inside scoop on other known HD providers also showing games... WGN; WTBS; NESN on D* being that this game is listed as MLB-HD ?

Originally posted by roytucker
To those that predicted YES-HD two weeks ago...

Any inside scoop on other known HD providers also showing games... WGN; WTBS; NESN on D* being that this game is listed as MLB-HD ?

I was told by FSN North (Minnesota) that the slate of 17 HD Twins games would be carried by D*. I expect the same of all the Fox O&O FSNs would be the same, the same as with the NBA games.

I predict a lot of displaced Yankees HD fans will be "moving" back home shortly...

Originally posted by TallGuy
I predict a lot of displaced Yankees HD fans will be "moving" back home shortly...

And another rush of CableVision customers moving to DIRECTV HD.

-Robert

this is gonna be one of those 3 1/2 to 4 hour games :)

Originally posted by roytucker
To those that predicted YES-HD two weeks ago...

Any inside scoop on other known HD providers also showing games... WGN; WTBS; NESN on D* being that this game is listed as MLB-HD ?

That was me who broke the information about YES Network broadcasting the Yankee home games on DIRECTV on March 18, 2005.

We will see two to three more national HD channels likely by July 2005 .

-Robert

Originally posted by dapope
this is gonna be one of those 3 1/2 to 4 hour games :)

as long as it doesnt go past 6 hours we'll see the whole game on D*.

I must commend YES and D* for delivering a flawless game. Really impressive by YESHD on their first HD game.

I am in Florida, and I subscribe to MLBEI and the HD package. I have the distant network feeds (NY and LA), and I'm extremely PISSED at the fact that the HD feed of this game is blacked out. Does anyone in the know have any idea if going forward the rest of the HD Yankee games will be blacked out? If they are I will just cancel my EI subscription.

Two games tomorrow on ESPN2HD for 4 people in Connecticut, and one standard def upconvert on ESPNHD for everyone else.

Originally posted by PDPnNJ
I must commend YES and D* for delivering a flawless game. Really impressive by YESHD on their first HD game.

Yes i have to agree even the pitch by pitch is in hd something i dont remember FOX or ESPN doing.

It's blacked out because it isn't an Extra Innings game. ESPN has national rights for tonight's game.

Originally posted by fireshoes
It's blacked out because it isn't an Extra Innings game. ESPN has national rights for tonight's game.

We'll see if EI customers get HD games. I don't think its certain they will.

tune in tomorrow to find out...

It's a Sunday Floody Sunday here in central New York, with the HD channels of the Binghamton-area Time Warner out because of flooding. I'm guessing we'll not see Yes HD this year and will be without the Mets games the entire season.
I'm taking a wait and see approach, but once D* is settled in with its new satellites, etc., I'll definitely be dumping Time Warner. Any sign of progress here would be great, but I have to figure D* will have the new TW-owned Mets channel in HD up before it comes to this area. My brother is watching Yes in HD on D* about 10 miles away as I write this.

Originally posted by bgall
tune in tomorrow to find out...

Well if D* did have a good time to have ESPN2HD come up this is probably the month we would see it or else its probably September.

I was talking about YES being available to MLB EI not D* adding ESPN2-HD

Originally posted by PDPnNJ
I must commend YES and D* for delivering a flawless game. Really impressive by YESHD on their first HD game. Amazing it is, NBC should hire some of those folks to get their sh*t together.

I agree...D* should carry YESHD....ESPN2 sux!

Originally posted by bgall
I was talking about YES being available to MLB EI not D* adding ESPN2-HD

Whoops, my fault. IF MnGuy is true what he says about FSN North I wouldn't see otherwise why YES wouldn't be available to EI sbus.

Somehow I see though EI using the NESN feed and not YES tomorrow.

Originally posted by rkunces
Whoops, my fault. IF MnGuy is true what he says about FSN North I wouldn't see otherwise why YES wouldn't be available to EI sbus.

Somehow I see though EI using the NESN feed and not YES tomorrow.

I was not saying that FSN North will be on EI. All I know is that FSN North told me it will available to those in my DMA.

I thought D* picks the feeds and I think I've read that pretty much all of the time they used the YES feed

Originally posted by PDPnNJ
I must commend YES and D* for delivering a flawless game. Really impressive by YESHD on their first HD game.

YES was producing Yankee home games in HD the second half of last season. They obviously did their homework and were well prepared as shown by tonight's debut broadcast .

Originally posted by Mikey_C
I agree...D* should carry YESHD....ESPN2 sux!

D* does carry YES HD. Isn't that what this thread is about?

Originally posted by MnGuy
D* does carry YES HD. Isn't that what this thread is about?

Then why can't I see it...I am an MLB EI subscriber AND an HD subscriber....and based on what I understand about blackout rules, this would be considered an out-of-market game for me (I'm in FL), so I SHOULD be able to see it, but I don't..h

Originally posted by beatles6
YES was producing Yankee home games in HD the second half of last season. They obviously did their homework and were well prepared as shown by tonight's debut broadcast .

The public did not see those games :)

Other networks are still struggling with their HD presentation :D

Originally posted by Mikey_C
Then why can't I see it...I am an MLB EI subscriber AND an HD subscriber....and based on what I understand about blackout rules, this would be considered an out-of-market game for me (I'm in FL), so I SHOULD be able to see it, but I don't..h

MLB EI doesn't start until tomorrow, and there's nothing official about EI including HD games, but check out channel 94 tomorrow at 1pm if you can and tell us if you're blacked out.

(If you have to work schedule your lunch break accordingly ;) )

Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
That was me who broke the information about YES Network broadcasting the Yankee home games on DIRECTV on March 18, 2005.

We will see two to three more national HD channels likely by July 2005 .

-Robert

And our hats are off to you Robert! Great call and thanks for the heads up!

Originally posted by Mikey_C
Then why can't I see it...I am an MLB EI subscriber AND an HD subscriber....and based on what I understand about blackout rules, this would be considered an out-of-market game for me (I'm in FL), so I SHOULD be able to see it, but I don't..h

It has been explained plenty of times but let's try again. This game is a national ESPNHD game. ESPN decided to air it on ESPN2HD because of Women's BB. National rights goes to ESPN while local rights goes to YESHD. D* is presenting the YESHD feed, not the ESPN2HD feed. Comprende ?

The jury is still out for EI on the next Yankee game. Tonight's game is not part of the EI package.

Originally posted by bgall
MLB EI doesn't start until tomorrow, and there's nothing official about EI including HD games, but check out channel 94 tomorrow at 1pm if you can and tell us if you're blacked out.

(If you have to work schedule your lunch break accordingly ;) )

The next Yankee home telecast on YES is Tuesday at 1PM.

Originally posted by PDPnNJ
I must commend YES and D* for delivering a flawless game. Really impressive by YESHD on their first HD game.

What people tend to forget is that the Yanks home games were in HD several years ago on MSG. Those were also beautifully done HD telecasts that were really way ahead of their time.

Originally posted by beatles6
The next Yankee home telecast on YES is Tuesday at 1PM.

duh! got my days mixed up.

but the next game might not be a good judement because everyone will be in the MLB free preview anyways...

Originally posted by Ken Ross
What people tend to forget is that the Yanks home games were in HD several years ago on MSG. Those were also beautifully done HD telecasts that were really way ahead of their time.

MSG has been way ahead of the game since doing HD in 2000-2001 but they sure haven't really added to that with any road games other than games in the local area.

Originally posted by rkunces
MSG has been way ahead of the game since doing HD in 2000-2001 but they sure haven't really added to that with any road games other than games in the local area.

Yeah, they sound like CVC. Wait, they are owned by CVC :D

Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
We will see two to three more national HD channels likely by July 2005 .

-Robert
Robert, you mean they will have room (or make room by going HD-lite on everything) for 2 more MPEG-2's on the current birds? Do you know what channels they might be?

Originally posted by Mikey_C
I am in Florida, and I subscribe to MLBEI and the HD package. I have the distant network feeds (NY and LA), and I'm extremely PISSED at the fact that the HD feed of this game is blacked out. Does anyone in the know have any idea if going forward the rest of the HD Yankee games will be blacked out? If they are I will just cancel my EI subscription.

They say it's non refundable, so it might take some yelling and talking to managering

on to the topic of the game....

it sucks :(

Originally posted by Ken Ross
What people tend to forget is that the Yanks home games were in HD several years ago on MSG. Those were also beautifully done HD telecasts that were really way ahead of their time.

At that time the availibilty of MSG-HD was even less then YES is now. Had to be on the Woodbury system to get the hidden channels. Greedy Cablevision.

Originally posted by bgall
on to the topic of the game....

it sucks :(

Only to a Boston fan, for a Yankee fan its the beginning of poetic justice...

<interesting fact>

At the rate Boston is going it would take 2064 years for Boston to match the 26 world series that the Yankee's have won.

</interesting fact>

Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Any out of NY DMA DIRECTV HD customers that subscribe to SPORTS Pack get the game on channel 94?

-Robert

Sorry I'm late on this, but I'd like to report I received the YES HD feed in Buffalo via D*. I don't subscribe to sports pack, but I do get YES as one of my 3 RSN's.

Ray
Buffalo, NY

great game tonight... the Yanks played "crisp" baseball which i have not seen in several years to be honest.

Take not comcast... i watched INHD2 more tonight than i did over the entire past year ;)

the comcast HD feed looked good... the sd feed looked notably worse than ever... very strange. They need to fix the sound (dropouts and horribly loud crowd drowning out the announcers) for the next game.

Originally posted by TallGuy
Robert, you mean they will have room (or make room by going HD-lite on everything) for 2 more MPEG-2's on the current birds? Do you know what channels they might be?

By July, Spaceway 1 and DirecTV 8 should be up. There should be more then enough room for national HD channels. I think all new national HD channels and NFL-ST HD games will go up on DirecTV 8.

I think the reason why people outside of the NY market who subscribe to MLB Extra Innings didn't receive the game is because the national broadcast rights (outside of the NY area and New England) belonged to ESPN2. Tonight was a unique situation that was derived from an agreement between ESPN, NESN, and YES. I think that MLB EI subscribers have a good chance at getting Yankee games in HD on nights that MLB EI is carrying the YES broadcast of a game. So, if a game is on MLB EI and DirecTV is using an FSN feed instead of YES, you probably won't see that game. This is just my two cents.

Originally posted by webboy10169

<interesting fact>

At the rate Boston is going it would take 2064 years for Boston to match the 26 world series that the Yankee's have won.

</interesting fact>

Not true -- they won 6 of the first 100 WS played; at that rate, it's only going to take them another 333 years or so to reach 26... Of course, by then the Yanks will have accrued another 86 for a total of 112. :D

Originally posted by PaulieORF
I think the reason why people outside of the NY market who subscribe to MLB Extra Innings didn't receive the game is because the national broadcast rights (outside of the NY area and New England) belonged to ESPN2. Tonight was a unique situation that was derived from an agreement between ESPN, NESN, and YES. I think that MLB EI subscribers have a good chance at getting Yankee games in HD on nights that MLB EI is carrying the YES broadcast of a game. So, if a game is on MLB EI and DirecTV is using an FSN feed instead of YES, you probably won't see that game. This is just my two cents.

I think it's the same as how basketball was handled, where if you live where you get the RSN, and that RSN is doing the HD, then you can get it. I'm not sure if you need sports pack or anything, probably just the HD pack. Nothing known for sure though, I guess it'll be seen in the future

I'm not sure if anyone caught Sportscenter's HD highlights but they looked fantastic along with the YES-HD broadcast. Its ashame that D* still has neglected to get ESPN2HD running.

Originally posted by chinch
They need to fix the sound (dropouts and horribly loud crowd drowning out the announcers) for the next game.
I noticed the dropouts, too, and loud crowd. Then I turned off the SRS decoding on my buddy's new TV and, lo and behold, the crowd was "normal" and I could hear the announcers. I suggest you try it.

Does anybody know if YES-HD will just show Yankees in HD? or will they include the Nets?

Originally posted by lowmazda
At that time the availibilty of MSG-HD was even less then YES is now. Had to be on the Woodbury system to get the hidden channels. Greedy Cablevision.

I don't know how Floridians know about that, but it's 100% true...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by SteveK2
Great PQ ...AND.... DD 5.1 sound, too........ Man, I'm gonna cook up some hot dogs, get me a beer and enjoy, enjoy, enjoy.

Thanks a bunch YES and D*.

:D :)

I noticed nothing out of the rear surrounds all game, even though I saw the DD 5.1 light up. Did I miss the good stuff?

If this isn't bad enough, what about in September, during the pennant races, when Sunday Night baseball goes to ESPN2 (as I recall the NFL goes to ESPN during this month)?

It's too bad that DirecTV isn't smart enough to annotate their on-air schedule when a game is going to be blacked out. They would eliminate lot's of phone calls by customers irritated when an expected telecast is blacked ou.

Originally posted by seldenpat
I don't know how Floridians know about that, but it's 100% true...:rolleyes:

Moved here under a year ago, want to take a guess where I used to live?

NESN is doing the same thing for TWC in Maine. All available Red Sox games are to be run on INHD2 when available. Although, last nights game was not available - ARGH!

Go YANKEES!

Originally posted by seldenpat
I noticed nothing out of the rear surrounds all game, even though I saw the DD 5.1 light up. Did I miss the good stuff?

There was mostly crowd noise from the rears. It was fairly quiet, but added a 3-D quality to the sound. But it was not very loud.

A couple of other posts commented of excessively loud crowd noise that drowned-out the commentators. I didn't think it was excessive, but the center channel was weak, as were the rears, and most sound was from the front speakers. That's why switching over to standard stereo made the announcers louder and the overall crowd sound quieter.

I too noticed that the announcers were a little difficult to hear. (That is not necessarily a bad thing.) Anyway, I found Michaal Kay easier to hear than O'neill and Kaat, the color commentators.

This is not meant as a gripe. Overall, a fantastic broadcast.

Monthly subscription to Directv. $80.00. LCD rear-projection widescreen HD television. $X000.00. Yankees home game on YES in HD. Priceless.

Got the game on InHD2 via Comcast in the Princeton, NJ area.

Great picture and sound. Great Yankee performance (damn them!!) especially Matsui.

Now all I can wish for is a commentator mute button that allows me to here the crowd and game sounds with the 'color' commentating.

GO RED SOX!!!

Originally posted by dan57
Monthly subscription to Directv. $80.00. LCD rear-projection widescreen HD television. $X000.00. Yankees home game on YES in HD. Priceless.

Add to that 'Thhhhhhheeeeee Yankeess WIN !' :D

At the risk of crossing the thread streams ...
Between watching the Yanks in HD and another new epsiode of Deadwood last night (also HD, thank you) I may actually stop complaining about the cost of my D* service. For a little while, anyway.

Anyone, anywhere, catch Sunday's game via TWC? In NYC, a spare 'standby' HD TWC channel had pregame text messages indicating it was coming up in HD, but the screen was blank here throughout. We get YES in SD. -- John

Originally posted by John Mason
Anyone, anywhere, catch Sunday's game via TWC? In NYC, a spare 'standby' HD TWC channel had pregame text messages indicating it was coming up in HD, but the screen was blank here throughout. We get YES in SD. -- John
We got it in Staten Island on channel 708. Complete game with excellent PQ.

Anyone knows if zip 10032 can get the Yes HD ? were can I find this info?
Thanks

The game looked great and YES did a nice job w/ the HD broadcast. Michael Kay was nauseating as usual but Jim Kaat was excellent as always. Have to give Paul O'Neill the benefit of the doubt as he came up with my beloved Reds.

Originally posted by jluzbet
Anyone knows if zip 10032 can get the Yes HD ? were can I find this info?
Thanks

Yes, you will have all of the YES Network Yankee home games in HD on channel 94.

-Robert

VE Advanced Digital Technology Dealer

Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
That was me who broke the information about YES Network broadcasting the Yankee home games on DIRECTV on March 18, 2005.

Except you said that it would be a D* exclusive. (Only on D*, I think you said.) Which turned out not to be true.

Originally posted by SteveK2
There was mostly crowd noise from the rears. It was fairly quiet, but added a 3-D quality to the sound. But it was not very loud.

A couple of other posts commented of excessively loud crowd noise that drowned-out the commentators. I didn't think it was excessive, but the center channel was weak, as were the rears, and most sound was from the front speakers. That's why switching over to standard stereo made the announcers louder and the overall crowd sound quieter.

I would like to respectfully suggest that you check the setup of your system. The announcer's mix was just about right, compared to the left and right. There was also a lot of surround information, but that was probably by design.

If the mix sounded OK when you listened in stereo, that confirms that the 5.1 mix was OK (even the stereo mix comes from the surround mix.) Also remember that when you are listening in stereo, you are only using the left and right speaker. The center and surround speakers (the ones you have complaints about hearing) are not being used when you listen in stereo.

For those people who couldn't hear the announcers, even in stereo, turn off the SRS processing in your receiver!

Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Yes, you will have all of the YES Network Yankee home games in HD on channel 94.

-Robert

VE Advanced Digital Technology Dealer

Thanks:D

Originally posted by shadowbox
Except you said that it would be a D* exclusive. (Only on D*, I think you said.) Which turned out not to be true.

shadowbox, on March 18, when I started the thread only DIRECTV signed on to YES Yankee home games in HD. Just last week a cable company signed on.

These days I only post facts as my crystal ball I have used to predict the future is not performing as well as it has in the past.;)

-Robert

Originally posted by QMAN71
We got it in Staten Island on channel 708. Complete game with excellent PQ. I had heard that TWCNY had head end problems in Manhattan and Queens... I was lucky and had D* watched it there.. I must say YES did a great job ! The picture was great. The sound was pretty good too. At one ppint when Wells came out of the game you heard from the rear speakers ''Wells you S*k". My wife said what they say. I told her they the fans were just telling Wells goodbye..
Can't wait gonna be a great season watching in Yanks in HD!. When TWCNY fixes their problem I will even get to record them on the 8300. :D

Originally posted by supergrass
It's a Sunday Floody Sunday here in central New York, with the HD channels of the Binghamton-area Time Warner out because of flooding. I'm guessing we'll not see Yes HD this year and will be without the Mets games the entire season. I'm taking a wait and see approach, but once D* is settled in with its new satellites, etc., I'll definitely be dumping Time Warner. Any sign of progress here would be great, but I have to figure D* will have the new TW-owned Mets channel in HD up before it comes to this area. My brother is watching Yes in HD on D* about 10 miles away as I write this.

From what I understand you guys had major flooding. Phone lines were out as well. This is a very rare occurrence for cable to go out because of weather. If you move to D* however, you might lose signal whenever it rains hard. Your brother was lucky the game wasn't Saturday night. He may have missed it. My D* was out off and on all day Saturday. The rains were very heavy in lower NY too.

BTW, I heard from a pretty good source that all of TWC's NY divisions should be getting YES-HD. (At least for the games.) They are still working out technical details. This was a pretty recent development and I know they were (are) scrambling to get it up and running. It may be that if not for the flooding you would have gotten last night's game. At any rate, there's no reason to think you won't be getting YES-HD this year. Mets games are another story. I don't know the details on that. But I think TWC and CV screwed the pooch on that one. Both sides are to blame. But D* is not immune from carriage deals going south. Especially now that they are owned by Fox. They are in competition with all the other media companies out there.

Originally posted by patrickpiteo
[B The sound was pretty good too. At one ppint when Wells came out of the game you heard from the rear speakers ''Wells you S*k". [/B]

I heard a "Giambi you s**k! as well. From a Bosox fan no doubt, because Giambi actually had a pretty good game. Especially considering everything he went through last year.

Originally posted by shadowbox
I heard a "Giambi you s**k! as well. From a Bosox fan no doubt, because Giambi actually had a pretty good game. Especially considering everything he went through last year. LOL.. it was real weird hearing the crowd up front the all the sudden from the back you hear the comments... :p

Latest on Cablevision? Are they even in talks? I am in a strange situation- I have to dig a trench to run the wires for D*, which will be expensive and upset some of my wife's gardening. Additionally, I was planning on waiting for the new MPEG to be up later in the year before making the switch from Cablevision. But if Cablevision is not going to provide my YES in HD I may have to bite the bullet and move sooner.

Originally posted by gold23
Latest on Cablevision? Are they even in talks? I am in a strange situation- I have to dig a trench to run the wires for D*, which will be expensive and upset some of my wife's gardening. Additionally, I was planning on waiting for the new MPEG to be up later in the year before making the switch from Cablevision. But if Cablevision is not going to provide my YES in HD I may have to bite the bullet and move sooner.

This is a quote that someone on the Yahoo! Cablevision group got in response to this question, not official-- take it with a huge lump of salt. :

"There are talks about launching sometime in May but nothing has been
finalized. The wheels are in motion but no defnite end date."

Yeah, I was expected an evasive, generic response, but maybe this means they are actually considering it. At least this means don't expect it any time in the next few weeks. After that, I'll recheck with my contact.

Since we got the ESPN feed last night and were blacked out on Channel 94, I am hoping that the Tuesday game will be avaiable. I have the MLB package and HD package.

Wow- that news is about as good as I could have expected. The fact that there are even rumors out there that Cablevision and YES are talking is fabulous.

hphase:

I would like to respectfully suggest that you check the setup of your system.
I appreciate your concern for my setup, but it is fine, I assure you.:o

Also remember that when you are listening in stereo, you are only using the left and right speaker. The center and surround speakers (the ones you have complaints about hearing) are not being used when you listen in stereo.
Really? No kidding? Gee, thanks for the stereo lesson. :rolleyes: :p But I never complained about the centers and surrounds, just commented that they were relatively weak compared to the fronts. Other posters have made similar comments (crowd sounds in front drowning-out announcers, not much happening in rears until someone yelled a comment about a specific player.)

The overall audio was pretty good....not the best I've heard for a live sporting event, but pretty good.

What kind of deal does Atlanta (TBS) and Chicago(WGN) have that allows them to broadcast games nationwide without blackout, except in the location of the opponent. For example, under normal circumstances (when ESPN is not broadcasting) if YES had the same deal, everyone would have seen the Yankees game except those living in Boston. I think this is a special deal that WGN and TBS have with MLB. (Superstation status???)

I happen to be a Cubs fan so it works out for me, WGN is only blacked out when they are playing the Mets (or Yankees) and I get the game on a regional network.

I just sent an e-mail to Time Warner to express my displeasure over the fact that no only are the Mets not on because of the fight between TW-Cablevision, but that today's game on ESPN is blacked out because of Cablevision's territorial rights. It's ludicrous.
But I did express my concern about YES HD and was told they were in negotiatians and could have it on in the Binghamton/Elmira area within a week. So I'm assuming all of TW's New York stations should have Yes HD very soon.
They actually called me 20 minutes after I wrote an e-mail after I wrote that D* perhaps had what I was looking for as a sports fan/HD fan. I do appreciate their customer service down here because they always answer questions.

Originally posted by gold23
Wow- that news is about as good as I could have expected. The fact that there are even rumors out there that Cablevision and YES are talking is fabulous.

I won't believe it until I can actually tune to YES-HD (Cablevision)

Originally posted by NorthJersey
I won't believe it until I can actually tune to YES-HD (Cablevision)

Ditto.

Originally posted by NorthJersey
I won't believe it until I can actually tune to YES-HD (Cablevision)

Can't be due to a lack of $. Dolan must be awash in it now that his offer to buy the train yards was rejected :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Lew_b
Can't be due to a lack of $. Dolan must be awash in it now that his offer to buy the train yards was rejected :rolleyes:

Plus this channel is all he has because it sure as hell doesn't look like the Mets new RSN will be on Cablevision.

Originally posted by supergrass
I just sent an e-mail to Time Warner to express my displeasure over the fact that no only are the Mets not on because of the fight between TW-Cablevision, but that today's game on ESPN is blacked out because of Cablevision's territorial rights. It's ludicrous.

That sucks. Unfortunately, it's out of TWC control. (Except that they could negotiate some sort of temporary "good faith" agreement that would put MSG and FSN back on the air.) As far as MLB is concerned you are in an area covered by regional coverage of Mets games. I wonder if you contacted MLB and told them about the TWC-CV dispute (of which I'm sure they are aware) and explained that TWC is not showing FSN or MSG, so technically you shouldn't be blacked out for national games (or MLB-EI for that matter). The only reason the blackout rules exist are to protect advertising revenues of regional networks, but since you are unable to see the regional network they should allow TWC customers in NY to see any national or out of market Mets broadcasts.

Originally posted by beatles6
Only 2 issues I have seen so far are the replays from the 1st base side camera are in SD and the shot of the pitcher from behind home plate is SD and not upconverted..

I believe there are 3 SD cameras. One behind the plate, one on either dougout railing closest to home plate. Last year they were little robot cameras- I suspect they didn’t get upgraded to HD.

I thought it was cool that the mobile shots were HD (roving camera behind the right field foul bowl, in the stands, up behind the façade behind the bleachers.)

Originally posted by DTV TiVo Dealer
Yes, you will have all of the YES Network Yankee home games in HD on channel 94.

-Robert

VE Advanced Digital Technology Dealer


Robert- are you sure it will always be 94?

Just curious- I went to fiddle with channels I receive and noticed 94 is described as an NFL Sunday ticket channel. So are a bunch more in the 90’s – some of whch have basketball.

Since it looks like it wont be easy to set up a wishlist for a tivo, I’m just trying to figure out which channel to look on.

Originally posted by shadowbox
From what I understand you guys had major flooding. Phone lines were out as well. This is a very rare occurrence for cable to go out because of weather. If you move to D* however, you might lose signal whenever it rains hard. Your brother was lucky the game wasn't Saturday night. He may have missed it. My D* was out off and on all day Saturday. The rains were very heavy in lower NY too.

BTW, I heard from a pretty good source that all of TWC's NY divisions should be getting YES-HD. (At least for the games.) They are still working out technical details. This was a pretty recent development and I know they were (are) scrambling to get it up and running. It may be that if not for the flooding you would have gotten last night's game. At any rate, there's no reason to think you won't be getting YES-HD this year. Mets games are another story. I don't know the details on that. But I think TWC and CV screwed the pooch on that one. Both sides are to blame. But D* is not immune from carriage deals going south. Especially now that they are owned by Fox. They are in competition with all the other media companies out there.


Do you work for cablevision or just play someone who does on TV?

;-)

Seriously that’s a load of bunk. My cable used to go out all the time- my neighbors’ still does. Weather, equipment problem, car hits a pole, tree falls on a line, etc, etc.

If your D* was on and off all day Saturday- you should see if you can get your dish re-aimed or maybe you have another issue. I’ve had D* from ’96 and installed all 4 dishes myself- I’m far from a pro- but I can cant on my fingers the number of times I’ve had rain fade in that time. I don’t think any one episode has lasted more then 10 minutes- probably more like 3 minutes. A few times I’ve gotten hosed by sunspots, but that seems to only effect a few channels at a clip.

For my area at least- DBS is way more reliable then cable.

Just my 2 cents.

Audio was fine on my system- 5.1 from an HD-Tivo to a Panasonic receiver. There were a bunch of momentary audio dropouts that I noticed.

Fox frequently seems to have the background noise really loud as compared to the commentators (at least to me)- or they get that annoying noise like a biplane is circling the stadium. But I thought the YES mix was just fine.

YMMV

Originally posted by michaelk
Do you work for cablevision or just play someone who does on TV?

Seriously that’s a load of bunk. My cable used to go out all the time- my neighbors’ still does. Weather, equipment problem, car hits a pole, tree falls on a line, etc, etc.

If your D* was on and off all day Saturday- you should see if you can get your dish re-aimed or maybe you have another issue. I’ve had D* from ’96 and installed all 4 dishes myself- I’m far from a pro- but I can cant on my fingers the number of times I’ve had rain fade in that time. I don’t think any one episode has lasted more then 10 minutes- probably more like 3 minutes. A few times I’ve gotten hosed by sunspots, but that seems to only effect a few channels at a clip.

For my area at least- DBS is way more reliable then cable.

A load of bunk? I'm not the only one who suffers from Rain fade. It's probably the #1 complaint for DBS. I admit that it seems like most people don't have this problem. And it used to be a much bigger problem. But do you think DBS would ever be able to claim in marketing materials that it is more reliable in bad weather than cable? I doubt it. Almost every cable marketing campaign I've seen lists bad weather as a major disadvantage for DBS. (I know its just marketing, but it's based on some kernal of truth.)

I had cable for 10 years in the city, and for about 6 months when I first moved to Rockland County. My cable never went out because of weather. There was a system outage a handful of times. And at least if a tree hits a cable line, they'll come out to fix it. If a tree knock over my satellite, who do I call? My installer who charges me a fee.

When I have sunny weather my signal readings on SAT A,B, and C are in the high 90s. I don't think re-aiming would help. Today is an overcast day. SAT A & C are in 80-90 range. SAT B is in mid 90s. When it rains usually SAT B stays on. Maybe once or twice it has gone out. It makes sense since B is point higher up, the signal goes through less clouds. Unfortunately, seems like all the good channels are on A & C.

I live in a Cablevision area. Do you really think I would pay for D* if I worked for CV? The reason I have D* is that CV still has a lot of analog channels that are unwatchable on plasma or my projector. If they go all digital I may switch. But I have invested a lot of money in D* equipment.

Sorry this has gone way off topic. I may need to go to the D* equipment forum, there may be something I can do about my rain fade problem. I have to look into it more.

Originally posted by SteveK2
hphase:

I appreciate your concern for my setup, but it is fine, I assure you.

......

Really? No kidding? Gee, thanks for the stereo lesson. :rolleyes: :p But I never complained about the centers and surrounds, just commented that they were relatively weak compared to the fronts. Other posters have made similar comments (crowd sounds in front drowning-out announcers, not much happening in rears until someone yelled a comment about a specific player.)

The overall audio was pretty good....not the best I've heard for a live sporting event, but pretty good.

OK Einstein, explain how switching to stereo made the announcers louder and the crowd quieter? I don't want to get into public flame-throwing, but those other posters might want to know, too.

If you like your system just the way it is, fine. Don't close your mind to any suggestion that there might be a problem somewhere before you act as a reference for the forum.

Originally posted by hphase
OK Einstein, explain how switching to stereo made the announcers louder and the crowd quieter? I don't want to get into public flame-throwing, but those other posters might want to know, too.

Well if you switched to stereo isn't it possible that you were hearing a different stereo mix altogether and not simply a convert from DD 5.1?

Are you sure that the stereo mix is coverted from the DD 5.1? Maybe he was listening to an analog stereo mix. They have to provide a stereo mix over analog don't they?

Yanks-Sox Sets N.Y. RSN Record
By Mike Reynolds multichannel.com

New York — The 2005 season opener between the New York Yankees and their arch-rivals, the World Champion Boston Red Sox, produced the highest rating ever for a New York-area regional sports network.
The Bronx Bombers’ 9-2 triumph over the Red Sox, which was blacked out locally on national carrier ESPN2, generated an 11.6 household rating in the New York DMA, as the game averaged 1.2 million viewers between 8 p.m. and 11:30 p.m., according to Nielsen Media Research data supplied by YES.

The 11.6 rating topped the 9.7 mark posted by YES the night on July 1, 2004, another Yanks-Red Sox game (think Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter diving into the crowd).YES executives said last night’s performance was the highest-rated live event in the history of any New York area regional sports network.

Sunday night’s game produced a 10.8 rating among males 18 to 49, the best of any telecast, broadcast or cable, in the time period. Similarly, the 10.9 among men 25 to 54 set the TV pace in the New York DMA.
YES officials said the game was the highest-rated Yankees/-ed Sox regular-season telecast in the past decade on any New York-market station, besting the 10.8 rating WCBS notched on Sept. 17, 2004. The telecast was the highest-rated Yankees season opener in the past decade, beating the 8.1 rating registered by WCBS on April 8, 2003, for a Yanks-Minnesota Twins game.

While the Yankees were scoring with the Nielsens, the crosstown New York Mets’ season opener Monday against the Cincinnati Reds was a video shutout for Time Warner Cable customers in the New York area.

The game fell victim to an impasse in contract-renewal negotiations between the MSO and Cablevision Systems Corp.-owned Madison Square Garden Network and sister service FSN New York, which have been blacked out since last month. At issue is Time Warner’s reluctance to pay a combined $4 per month fee for MSGN, FSN New York, Fox College Sports and the MetroChannels. For its part, Cablevision wants to turn the negotiations over to an arbitrator, while Time Warner feels that binding arbitration would set a bad precedent for the cable industry. On March 8, Cablevision pulled the signal for the two networks, as well as for Cablevision’s Metro Channels and three Fox College Sports channels, after it failed to renew a distribution deal with the Time Warner.

Area Time Warner Cable customers, however, could listen to the English-language radio broadcast of the game on NBATV, which replaced MSGN on the MSO’s system in Manhattan, and the Spanish-language rendition on CSTV, which supplanted FSNY.

These audio feeds were accompanied by the following message: “Special Note to Time Warner Cable Mets Fans … Time Warner Cable is still the place for Mets fans. You can watch 60 games this season … Here’s where you can see the first 2: April 9 NY Mets@Atlanta Braves 7:05 p. WPIX; April 10 NY Mets @ Atlanta Braves 1:05 p. WPIX. We remain hopeful this situation will be resolved soon and will continue to keep you updated.”

Those words were underlined by a rolling crawl that continually and alternately read: “Audio provided by WFAN. Listen to every Mets game, all season long on Sports Radio 66, New York”… and ”Audio provided by WADO. Listen to every game on WADO 1280 AM, Caso de los Mets.”

Originally posted by shadowbox
Well if you switched to stereo isn't it possible that you were hearing a different stereo mix altogether and not simply a convert from DD 5.1?

Are you sure that the stereo mix is coverted from the DD 5.1? Maybe he was listening to an analog stereo mix. They have to provide a stereo mix over analog don't they?

If someone was watching YES-HD, they were only hearing audio from a 5.1 feed. The red and white RCA jacks out of the set top box, and even the audio on the CH3 RF output of the box are all derived from the same 5.1 mix. Even the stereo audio on the standard definition YES feed was derived from the same 5.1 mix.

DTV stations, including cable, do not send a stereo signal along with their 5.1. The only other audio that is sent would be an SAP feed, if it exists. That's why listening in stereo should sound the same as 5.1 (except for the "directionality," for lack of a better word.) That's why I challenged SteveK2 to explain why his 5.1 sounds different than his stereo.

sometimes when you put the receiver/preamp in "stereo" mode, the signals merge in a way to seemingly enhance the center channel signal (now in R/L). if it makes sense or not in theory, it does happen in reality ;)

i should have tried that, as the front L/C/R audio was horrendous.

Originally posted by hphase
OK Einstein, explain how switching to stereo made the announcers louder and the crowd quieter? I don't want to get into public flame-throwing, but those other posters might want to know, too.

If you like your system just the way it is, fine. Don't close your mind to any suggestion that there might be a problem somewhere before you act as a reference for the forum.

Well, this Einstein did exactly what he said he did.....switched to 'standard stereo'....and that seemed to do a better job of bringing out the announcers voice for the 5-10 seconds I actually had it in stereo mode. I didn't analyze it to death -- I wanted to watch & enjoy the GAME.

I can't explain WHY this sounded as it did. It struck me as exactly the same type of thing as when analog stereo is switched to mono. The source is still the same, but the sound is flatter. So, when I switched into stereo mode, that's what I experienced, a flatter sound that seemed to bring out the announcers better.

Regarding the rest of your comments, I'll take the high road and refrain from the name-calling with which you seem to have no problem invoking. I've only commented on my observation. I made no attempt to 'act as a reference for the forum', but it seems to me that's exactly what you did.

I was just responding to your patronizing sarcasm, as reiterated in your emoticons. Sorry if you took offense. I offered to explain why your 5.1 sounded different than your stereo. If it did, there is one logical reason for that. You chose to disagree, and assure me that you were right.

Monitoring in the audio control room is crucial to creating a pleasing mix. It allows the mix to translate stereo and mono with little change. If this did not happen for you, let me again respectfully suggest you check the setup of your system (my original words) and I ask that anyone else that had problems with the announcer's volume to do the same.

Have a nice day, and enjoy the rest of the games this season. They will probably be done the same way as Opening Day.

Originally posted by hphase
I was just responding to your patronizing sarcasm, as reiterated in your emoticons. Sorry if you took offense. I offered to explain why your 5.1 sounded different than your stereo. If it did, there is one logical reason for that. You chose to disagree, and assure me that you were right.

Monitoring in the audio control room is crucial to creating a pleasing mix. It allows the mix to translate stereo and mono with little change. If this did not happen for you, let me again respectfully suggest you check the setup of your system (my original words) and I ask that anyone else that had problems with the announcer's volume to do the same.

Have a nice day, and enjoy the rest of the games this season. They will probably be done the same way as Opening Day.
Sorry, but either the guys in the "audio control room" are inept, this was an oversight OR or this was a technical glitch. 'Cause only a FOOL would broadcast in such a manner where you can't hear the announcers on a properly calibrated home theatre.

Hopefully this sounded just as bad using native (HD)TV speakers (ie. not 5.1) and they'll get phone complaints - which they will if the announcers are muddled.

Originally posted by hphase
For those people who couldn't hear the announcers, even in stereo, turn off the SRS processing in your receiver! [/B]
Jeezus you are talking to guys here like they're newbies

:lol:

I've been monitoring this thread for a while and was extremely disappointed at 8.00 last night. I thought I'd share the exchange I had with D* last night and today

I wrote:
"It is an absolute joke that the Yankees/Red Sox game is being broadcast in HD, but I am watching it in SD. I subscribe to the sports pack, HD package and MLB extra innings, and, yet, despite all the money I send your company every month, I CANNOT GET THIS GAME IN HD...EVEN THOUGH IT IS BEINg BROADCAST IN HD BY THREE SEPARATE STATIONS (including YESHD and ESPN2HD). There are three questions I need answered:
1. Why is this game not available on channel 94 (YESHD) when I pay for MLBEI and the HD package?
2. Will I receive YESHD this season or will it be continually backed out?
3. Why is this game not being shown on ESPN2HD on Directv?

I fully expect to have these questions so I can evaluate my options regarding me future with directv."

D* responded:

Dear Jim,

Thank you for writing. I am sorry to hear of your frustrations. The MLB Extra Innings package does not include any pre-season games. Currently we do not have YES-HD or ESPN2-HD. Visit our web site at DIRECTSPORTS.com/MLB to find all of the information you need about the 2005 MLB EXTRA INNINGS season.

Thanks again for writing and stay tuned to DIRECTV.com for the latest news and information about our service.

Sincerely,

Adrian
DIRECTV Customer Service

Please understand that I appreciate your concern, really. But I usually check my audio configuration (using HT setup disks) or a regular basis. That's why I assured you my setup was fine -- not because I rejected your suggestion out-of-hand.

You are correct about my use of sarcasm. It was intentional. Perhaps you didn't realize it, but your statement "when you are listening in stereo, you are only using the left and right speaker" struck me as a condescending platitude. Hence my reaction.

Irrespective of the audio discussion, I totally enjoyed the broadcast (both PQ and audio) and look forward to the rest of the season. I hope you can get the same level of enjoyment.

Originally posted by JIMF25
I've been monitoring this thread for a while and was extremely disappointed at 8.00 last night. I thought I'd share the exchange I had with D* last night and today

If you read this thread, you'd know these answers. Why put yourself and them through this? YES is a REGIONAL network. ESPN2 had the rights to the game outside of Boston/NY. No one knows about HD for EI, certainly not some first level CSR who is not even given phone privileges.

Originally posted by MnGuy
If you read this thread, you'd know these answers. Why put yourself and them through this? YES is a REGIONAL network. ESPN2 had the rights to the game outside of Boston/NY. No one knows about HD for EI, certainly not some first level CSR who is not even given phone privileges.

You have to admit though that's a pretty pathetic response/job whatever you wanna call it. Knowing that the game isn't even a regular season game is just another kick in the teeth.

ahh geez. Yet another guy giving a D* CSR a hard time. :(

Originally posted by chinch
Jeezus you are talking to guys here like they're newbies

:lol:

Well, they are out there, and that's exactly who that statement was aimed at. No disrespect, as they say on the Sopranos. I've been told by some Chief Engineers that they dread the start of baseball season because every April they get a flood of calls complaining that they can't hear the announcers over the crowd during the game. This happens only on the new TV sets that the caller got for Christmas. (FYI, this complaint occurred on stereo broadcasts and pre-dated HD.) Hats off to those guys, because they'd take the calls and walk them through the audio menus on the TV and turn off the offending processing.

"Gee, now I can hear the announcers -- thanks!" is what the caller usually says.

Is Cablevision/Optimum EVER gonna give us Yes HD?:( This is so irritating to me. Every other major sports netwok is available in HD except YES. I can watch high school basketball in HD but not the Yanks! Wake up Cablevision!!!

There were 2 non-factual statements in D*'s response. What typr of quality control is that.

How can D* not be able to answer the question of whether Tuesday's Yankees game will be available to out of market customers with MLBEI and the HD package? THE GAME IS 14 HOURS AWAY FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!!

It's an absolute joke.

Originally posted by SteveK2
Please understand that I appreciate your concern, really. But I usually check my audio configuration (using HT setup disks) or a regular basis. That's why I assured you my setup was fine -- not because I rejected your suggestion out-of-hand.

You are correct about my use of sarcasm. It was intentional. Perhaps you didn't realize it, but your statement "when you are listening in stereo, you are only using the left and right speaker" struck me as a condescending platitude. Hence my reaction.

Irrespective of the audio discussion, I totally enjoyed the broadcast (both PQ and audio) and look forward to the rest of the season. I hope you can get the same level of enjoyment.

No worries. What say we bury the hatchet? Just check that center channel. With a meter. YES does.

Originally posted by gman8691
Is Cablevision/Optimum EVER gonna give us Yes HD?:( This is so irritating to me. Every other major sports netwok is available in HD except YES. I can watch high school basketball in HD but not the Yanks! Wake up Cablevision!!!

Cablevision is missing TNT and ESPN2HD not to forget. As for them ever waking up, c'mon this is Jim Dolan we're talking about. He should have YES-HD already especially with the Mets leaving after this season, but once again it's Dolan.

Originally posted by rkunces
You have to admit though that's a pretty pathetic response/job whatever you wanna call it. Knowing that the game isn't even a regular season game is just another kick in the teeth.
Of course it's lame. If Ken H doesn't know, how would some email drone know. When you write such an email, you know what you are going to get. I understand that. Just don't seem surprised.

It just showed up on the program guide. Upcoming:Red Sox @Yankees Tue 4/5"
MLB HD!

Tomorrow's game is not a National telecast so no blackout. If you have MLB Extra Innings and the HD package, you should be able to see the game tomorrow on Channel 94 in HD!!:D

Originally posted by JIMF25
There were 2 non-factual statements in D*'s response. What typr of quality control is that.

How can D* not be able to answer the question of whether Tuesday's Yankees game will be available to out of market customers with MLBEI and the HD package? THE GAME IS 14 HOURS AWAY FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!!

It's an absolute joke. Only for the last 8 years or so.....

Get over it.

Originally posted by Ken H
Only for the last 8 years or so.....

Get over it.


You may post good info, but do you have to be so pretentious about everything.

You're giving TV info, not the cure for cancer.

Originally posted by cborjon
It just showed up on the program guide. Upcoming:Red Sox @Yankees Tue 4/5"
MLB HD!

Tomorrow's game is not a National telecast so no blackout. If you have MLB Extra Innings and the HD package, you should be able to see the game tomorrow on Channel 94 in HD!!:D

We'll see tomorrow. What evidence is this? Yesterday's game was also. We knew the game was going to be on 94 from YES HD in the NY DMA. Still no confirmation it will be available to EI subs. I am not saying it will or won't be, but what does this confirm?

That's great news if MLB EI customers can get the YES Network's HD feed of the game. I was wondering the same thing if you were a Comcast customer and subscribe to the MLS EI package, if they could show the YES Network's HD broadcast. I'm a Red Sox fan but would still like to see the YES Network or any other RSN for that matter in HD.

Please note that according to DirecTV channel 220 (DirecTV Sports Schedule Channel) that there will be a MLB EI-Free Preview for tomorrow. So if the YES-HD games are indeed a part of the EI package we should all be able to see the game tomorrow.

YES is a cool addition to D*, especially for Yankee fans. I wonder why News Corp didn't make a deal with Cablevision that would allow them to show MSG and FSN-NY in HD. They just did a restructuring deal that gave CV complete ownership of MSG and FSN-NY. Seems like it would have been an ideal time to make a carriage deal. It would have been a good business move by CV because then TWC would have felt even more pressure to get MSG and FSN-NY on the air (In HD or SD).

Originally posted by JIMF25
I've been monitoring this thread for a while and was extremely disappointed at 8.00 last night. I thought I'd share the exchange I had with D* last night and today

I wrote:
"It is an absolute joke that the Yankees/Red Sox game is being broadcast in HD, but I am watching it in SD. I subscribe to the sports pack, HD package and MLB extra innings, and, yet, despite all the money I send your company every month, I CANNOT GET THIS GAME IN HD...EVEN THOUGH IT IS BEINg BROADCAST IN HD BY THREE SEPARATE STATIONS (including YESHD and ESPN2HD). There are three questions I need answered:
1. Why is this game not available on channel 94 (YESHD) when I pay for MLBEI and the HD package?
2. Will I receive YESHD this season or will it be continually backed out?
3. Why is this game not being shown on ESPN2HD on Directv?

I fully expect to have these questions so I can evaluate my options regarding me future with directv."

D* responded:

Dear Jim,

Thank you for writing. I am sorry to hear of your frustrations. The MLB Extra Innings package does not include any pre-season games. Currently we do not have YES-HD or ESPN2-HD. Visit our web site at DIRECTSPORTS.com/MLB to find all of the information you need about the 2005 MLB EXTRA INNINGS season.

Thanks again for writing and stay tuned to DIRECTV.com for the latest news and information about our service.

Sincerely,

Adrian
DIRECTV Customer Service

This is funny stuff....Sunday's game (I guess) was a pre-season game AND DirecTV doesn't carry YES_HD. Well, 1 out of 3 ain't bad.....

Yet another reason to NEVER inquire about this stuff with a CSR.... :D

It's been referenced here once or twice in this thread so I figured I'd post my set of wish lists to capture the Yankees games, in HD when available, in SD when not. My strategy seems to be working as it picked up the game on channel 94 today and superceeded the 734 recording from MLBEI. This list is in order of priority....

1) To get any ESPNHD games...
"YANKEES AT" Audio & Video/HDTV

2) To get HD games on ch 94...
"YANKEES AT HD" Show Types/Event

3) To get ESPN2 games...(perhaps this should be highest priority, see below)
"YANKEES AT" Show Types/Live

4) To get MLBEI games...
"YANKEES AT MLB" Show Types/Event

NOTE: This did NOT work for me Sunday night, since it tried to record the game on ch 94, which, for me, was blacked out. Hopefully this was an anomally.

Originally posted by jaypb
This is funny stuff....Sunday's game (I guess) was a pre-season game AND DirecTV doesn't carry YES_HD. Well, 1 out of 3 ain't bad.....

Yet another reason to NEVER inquire about this stuff with a CSR.... :D

Well you can certainly forgive a CSR for not knowing that the season opener was on Sunday.

And technically, they don't have YES-HD. They are only carrying the Yankees games, not the whole channel.

Channel lit up like a christmas tree in NY DMA D* channel 94.

Time for Round 2.

Go Yankees!

Originally posted by webboy10169
Channel lit up like a christmas tree in NY DMA D* channel 94.

Time for Round 2.

Go Yankees!

What do you have showing? Just the Directv logo here in Colorado.

Originally posted by smahon
What do you have showing? Just the Directv logo here in Colorado.

Yes direcTV logo with rock music playing in the background (rush right now) . Before 12:32 the channel was just black.

Its a shame they dont give is pre game also.

GAME ON nice intro...

negative on YES-HD out of market...they just saved me so much money on EI

NOOOOOOOOOO.....yes in Colorado!!!! PISSSS!!!! Program not available in your area!!!!!

Blacked out in Cleveland....damnit

does anyone see any reasonable reason why this game is blacked out to out of market people. What advantage would we gain by watching....just like the stupid Mavs game.

Game on Ch 622 (YES) in Colorado, blacked out on 94. D* officially sucks. I cannot understand the logic. I am paying for Total Choice Premier, MLB EI, HD package... and no Yanks in HD.

Bummer.:(

OK, So 734 in alive, and it is the YES broadcast, so why no HD????

I take it on EI you are getting the game via YES? (If DirecTV is using the Boston feed there may be hope yet).

If DirecTV can give EI subscribers the YES station, then why not YES-HD. I guess Yes wants more $$$ to show YES-HD games? I don't think it would be blacked out due to a MLB restriction?

D* sucks big time, we should all complain about this ... so this deal is only for yankee boys living is NY only ? WOW ... I see why they dont have bandwidth to to active espn2

program not available in your area

MLB EI and HD subscriber here (Ohio)

Originally posted by slinger45
does anyone see any reasonable reason why this game is blacked out to out of market people. What advantage would we gain by watching....just like the stupid Mavs game.

maybe because MLB has a deal with inhd? I said it before on this thread (or maybe on one of the other 20 threads about this topic)

TWC NYC
HD looking awesome here in Queens, ch.708 YES HD.

Maybe we should merge this thread with "Why do you use Pirate TV"?

Originally posted by bigcat
D* sucks big time, we should all complain about this ... so this deal is only for yankee boys living is NY only ? WOW ... I see why they dont have bandwidth to to active espn2

program not available in your area

MLB EI and HD subscriber here (Ohio)

I am getting it on Directv ch 94 in NJ just fine.:)
Directv Rules. Pavano with a 1-2-3 inning.

I will say this about D*- Lite The quality of the broadcat in my office on a 1900x1200 HD LCD looks horrid. But of course on the 50" plasma (1366x768) it looks great.

Wondering how many out of town yankee fans will be "moving" after today.

Thank god, I was worried they were going to do the right thing by showing the HD feed to EI subscribers and force me to spend the $169 to see them; thanks for being so consistently asinine D*!!!

Originally posted by webboy10169
I will say this about D*- Lite The quality of the broadcat in my office on a 1900x1200 HD LCD looks horrid. But of course on the 50" plasma (1366x768) it looks great.

Wondering how many out of town yankee fans will be "moving" after today.

HA! I am on the phone (on hold as always) with D* trying to get a straight answer as to why they are blacking out the HD feed of this game. My next move was exactly that, tell them I just moved back to NY! :)

For fans out of the NY market, apparently D* sucks big time for Yanks games in HD.
But I am lucky enough to be able to get it through comast. I don't see a reason to switch to D* now, unless it OFFICIALLY adds more HD channels.

This crap that D* is pulling is the reason why so many people decide to get their service via "alternate" methods :D

Well, I just got off the phone with a Directv supervisor named Andrew in Pennsylvania. He says that he understands my frustration about having the HD feed blacked out, but that's just the way it is. According to him there is no one else I can complain to except to write (snail mail) to the CEO. Directv customer service sucks and their programming people (and phone support people) are idiots.

On the phone now, expecting the same any minute.

How do I "move" to get the Yanks in hd?

is there a way to "move" and still keep the philly locals?

Good grief. Just got disconnected after a CSR told me I should be getting the game in HD (I'm in S.C.). Now I'm on hold with a different CSR.

Sheesh.

Originally posted by JIMF25
How do I "move" to get the Yanks in hd?

is there a way to "move" and still keep the philly locals?

You should do it on-line, change your service address to a NY address but keep you mailing address the same. No, you can't keep your Philly locals. There's a limit.

Quite frankly, I would "move" and not care about the the Tampa locals (they suck). Besides, I only watch the the NY locals off the national network feeds (which I kept when I moved from upstate NY to FL).

My next question is...does anyone have a NY address I can borrow :D

This sucks, D* is blaming all of this on Major League Baseball, saying its up to ML B to decide what gets blacked out and what is not...God I hate these idiot reps D* has!

On the phone now... 1st spoke with idiot rep who had no clue.... He told me all the games were blacked out. :)

Now on the phone with customer retention and threatening to cancel my premier + 7 (3 HD) receivers + NFL Ticket + MLB EI if I don't find out why.

Will post in a few minutes.

I think we at least deserve an intelligent answer. Difficult to receive from DirecTV. For all we know, DirecTV is blacking out the game as a routine matter when it really doesn't need to. It certainly wouldn't be the first time they've screwed up.

I believe that DirecTV has a "sports department" that you can ask to be referred to when you call.

Still on hold waiting for a real answer.....

They did credit me 120.00 already though so EI is costing me 30.00 now. :)

They gave me 20.00 a month credit for 6 months for my trouble.

The rep is *really* trying to find out why as she said this is the 3rd call she has had in the last 45 minutes.

Originally posted by gshipley
On the phone now... 1st spoke with idiot rep who had no clue.... He told me all the games were blacked out. :)

Now on the phone with customer retention and threatening to cancel my premier + 7 (3 HD) receivers + NFL Ticket + MLB EI if I don't find out why.

Will post in a few minutes.

HA! I am on the phone doing the same thing...I am about to just tell D* to go f**k themselves and get a pirate box!

gshipley,

What phone number did you call? I'm having trouble even getting back in after a second disconnection.

Originally posted by gshipley
Still on hold waiting for a real answer.....

They did credit me 120.00 already though so EI is costing me 30.00 now. :)

They gave me 20.00 a month credit for 6 months for my trouble.

The rep is *really* trying to find out why as she said this is the 3rd call she has had in the last 45 minutes.

Why do you deserve money back?

Ok, she called around to 3-4 different people and it seems D* does not have permission to show the HD game to anyone who can not get NY locals???????

Sucks! but at least I got 120.00 out of the deal.

I spoke with 2 CSRs , two separate calls.

First one was totally clueless, he said 94 is a distant network channel that I am not supposed to watch

Second one said I am not getting 94 because MLB EI currently does not offer any HD channels. She recommended NBA and NFL games for HD, seriously, what an idiot. When I asked why was that channel on the guide, she said it must be a mistake.

After 25 minutes with CSR, I was finally told that they were getting a lot of complaints, and have no idea why we're not getting the HD feed. "The engineers are looking into it" she said - so in other words, we're F****ed.

This is absurd - what kind of restrictions can there be on HD???? I'm getting the game on YES 622 and MLB EI 734. D* - this is dumb, dumb, dumb!!!!

I really can't believe they'd have a channel for NY only. I'd really like an explanation.

Originally posted by tthorsen66
gshipley,

What phone number did you call? I'm having trouble even getting back in after a second disconnection.

Just get a rep on the line and ask for customer retention. In my experience, they are the only ones who care about solving your problem.

Originally posted by dm145
Why do you deserve money back?

I don't. They just offered it for my trouble. Keep in mind I spend about 150.00 a month on D* for the last two years.

Honestly, none of this is surprising....the blackouts OR the ire of the out of market fans who were *hoping* to see this game as part of the EI package.

It (out of market blackouts in HD) is one of _THE_ great mysteries of the universe....right behind who killed JFK, Roswell and just WTF is "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter"?? ;)

I pondered over this crap with regards to the NBA HD games that have been airing (or not) over the last few months.

I've been an EI sub for 6 years now. And I do hate the aspect of ONLY getting to watch the "home teams" feed. But I understand it somewhat. Or not.

So all of this, at least (the anger....the confusion....the misinformation....) in my mind, was expected.....
:eek:

I forgot to mention that the CSR originally told me the game was on local channels - CBS or Fox, she said. Then she told me it was on ESPN2 in HD, and D* doesn't carry that channel.

Brilliant customer service, as usual. Who awards them their annual Customer Service awards they trumpet on their billing statements??? Murdoch????

Well, after speaking to three idiots, I am on hold waiting to talk to customer retention. This f***ing sucks. Someone mentioned I can "move" my address online, care to point out where I can do this??

Originally posted by Mikey_C
Well, after speaking to three idiots, I am on hold waiting to talk to customer retention. This f***ing sucks. Someone mentioned I can "move" my address online, care to point out where I can do this??

I do it over the phone every couple of months depending on what i want to watch.

My "guess" on this whole matter is that YES charges extra for the reception of YES-HD, and DirecTV is unwilling to pay the price for national carriage. Greedy on YES' part and cost minimization on DirecTV's part (see TNT-HD). I do not believe it is a MLB restriction since viewers across the county see Yankees baseball on YES with Extra Innings. Others opinions?

Well, just got off the phone with customer retention. Cancelled MLB, NFL and SPORTS Pack. Then asked if there was anything she could do that would enable me to keep MLB at a discounted rate. She put me on hold and came back with MLB for FREE (yes FREE) and a free month of showtime.

Do you have a direct # to customer retention?

Originally posted by LL3HD
TWC NYC
HD looking awesome here in Queens, ch.708 YES HD. Not home glad to see they fixed the problem.. are they gonna replay it tonight?

Is YES HD blacked out on cable systems also? If not, then it's probably blacked on DIRECTV because of a conflict with InHD's baseball contract. That's a total guess though.

I'm a D* sub and a huge Yankee fan, and I'm totally p-o'd right now. Although I'm sure the D* HD offerings will be great in a year or two, I'd like to see new HD stuff now. If D* is going to use the bandwidth to show games on YES HD, they should show them to all EI subs. Otherwise, why can't they just show the HD feeds of ESPN2 HD content? It's basically the same thing that they are doing with YES HD.

I am getting the YES feed from Direct on channel 734, but not the HD feed on channel 94...bummer.

I have Cox cable and the EI package. No HD Yankees.

I don't know why everyone is upset. INHD and MLB have a deal to show HD games. It is not D* fault

Originally posted by Dinger23
I have Cox cable and the EI package. No HD Yankees.

I don't know why everyone is upset. INHD and MLB have a deal to show HD games. It is not D* fault

Well for one INHD's coverage blows and the fact is you want to get the most HD baseball games possible especially if your a team that has games being produced in HD.

I'm hoping that by midseason we might be able to see some HD games, as EI is now by far the worst sports package out there. No HD or OTA what a waste.

That's pretty funny. Like a cable deal should trump a premium sports package purchase that is purchased specifically for MLB content? People should call and try to cancel EI.

Originally posted by Dinger23
I don't know why everyone is upset. INHD and MLB have a deal to show HD games. It is not D* fault

Well I think everyone is upset for a few reasons:

1. We were led to believe that EI subs would get YES HD out of market. That was based on sketchy info posted here, but everyone got carried away with excitement.

2. D* hasn't added ESPN2HD despite having a deal to show it because of supposed bandwidth issues. Then they sign up to show YES HD games, which is great news for Yankees fans and baseball fans and HD fans. This takes bandwidth though, which is supposedly in tight supply. They have to use it to get the games to the NYC market, so it makes logical sense that the people who are paying for the HD package AND the EI package should be able to enjoy it too. The feeds show the same commercials so there are no obvious reasons why this isn't happening.

3. D* has not prepared their CSRs to answer inquiries about these issues, so not only are people not getting what they want (more HD), but they can't get a reason either.

I'm trying to maintain calm about this, but it's frustrating when you get an answer. If there's some exclusive deal with In HD or some other reason, just let me know and I'll cope. A few years ago, a lot of YES programming was blacked out for Sports Pack subs, and they posted a letter on their website explaining why (something about showing MLB copyrighted highlights out of market). Later, they posted an update that said they solved the issue.

In this situation, it would be great to get something like that from YES or D*. All of us want the programming, obviously, but if that's not possible, just tell me (and everyone else) why so we can understand.

Originally posted by cbrucia
Well I think everyone is upset for a few reasons:

1. We were led to believe that EI subs would get YES HD out of market. That was based on sketchy info posted here, but everyone got carried away with excitement.

2. D* hasn't added ESPN2HD despite having a deal to show it because of supposed bandwidth issues. Then they sign up to show YES HD games, which is great news for Yankees fans and baseball fans and HD fans. This takes bandwidth though, which is supposedly in tight supply. They have to use it to get the games to the NYC market, so it makes logical sense that the people who are paying for the HD package AND the EI package should be able to enjoy it too. The feeds show the same commercials so there are no obvious reasons why this isn't happening.

3. D* has not prepared their CSRs to answer inquiries about these issues, so not only are people not getting what they want (more HD), but they can't get a reason either.

I'm trying to maintain calm about this, but it's frustrating when you get an answer. If there's some exclusive deal with In HD or some other reason, just let me know and I'll cope. A few years ago, a lot of YES programming was blacked out for Sports Pack subs, and they posted a letter on their website explaining why (something about showing MLB copyrighted highlights out of market). Later, they posted an update that said they solved the issue.

In this situation, it would be great to get something like that from YES or D*. All of us want the programming, obviously, but if that's not possible, just tell me (and everyone else) why so we can understand.

Very well said - not preparing the CSR's is just bad business, and really unfair to the CSR's because they have to handle the wrath of the unhappy customer.

A simple explanation would suffice - we pay a LOT of $$$$$ for D*, so we should be able to get a decent response from them!

Originally posted by patrickpiteo
Not home glad to see they fixed the problem.. are they gonna replay it tonight?


I’m not home either, :D got the report from my wife. She’s updating me with how great it is in HD. And to think, Sunday night I was checking 708 constantly to see if it was up and running. Wasn’t. Now, I can get it and I’m not there….well, can’t complain, season just started, I’m happy.

I’m curious too if Yes will rebroadcast as they normally have done with SD. That would be nice.

Up in HD on D* 94 here in central New York state. I don't have EI, but do normally get Yes. Also, I do have some NYC distants (someone mentioned that a csr said that matters, although I doubt it does).

I couldn't watch all of Sunday's game as my wife insisted on watching Out of Africa. Little does she know I came home from work early today :-)

Originally posted by toothy mako
Up in HD on D* 94 here in central New York state. I don't have EI, but do normally get Yes. Also, I do have some NYC distants (someone mentioned that a csr said that matters, although I doubt it does).

I couldn't watch all of Sunday's game as my wife insisted on watching Out of Africa. Little does she know I came home from work early today :-)

Whether or not this game was on its just such a nice day you can pass up getting out of the office and outside.

Originally posted by chinch
Sorry, but either the guys in the "audio control room" are inept, this was an oversight OR or this was a technical glitch. 'Cause only a FOOL would broadcast in such a manner where you can't hear the announcers on a properly calibrated home theatre.

Hopefully this sounded just as bad using native (HD)TV speakers (ie. not 5.1) and they'll get phone complaints - which they will if the announcers are muddled.

I am watching via D* on a Pioneer Plasma. Using the internal speakers in Stereo I can verify that the sound is not mixed well. The crowd is way too loud. I have SRS off, and I have even tried the Pioneer feature called "Focus" which is supposed to bring out the dialogue. Its just poorly mixed. I realize that they are mixing for 5.1. But any good audio engineer checks his mixes in mono, stereo, and surround for an overall balance. The worst is Paul O'Neal's mic. There are times when you can hardly hear what he is saying. Michael Kay pretty much comes through all the time, but the crowd is still too loud.

There is another variable here though. I suppose, since according to a previous post YES only sends out the 5.1 audio, the Pioneer is converting the 5.1 into stereo. It's possible that some boxes may convert 5.1 to stereo better than others.

upset
Well I think everyone is upset for a few reasons:

1. We were led to believe that EI subs would get YES HD out of market. That was based on sketchy info posted here, but everyone got carried away with excitement.

2. D* hasn't added ESPN2HD despite having a deal to show it because of supposed bandwidth issues. Then they sign up to show YES HD games, which is great news for Yankees fans and baseball fans and HD fans. This takes bandwidth though, which is supposedly in tight supply. They have to use it to get the games to the NYC market, so it makes logical sense that the people who are paying for the HD package AND the EI package should be able to enjoy it too. The feeds show the same commercials so there are no obvious reasons why this isn't happening.

3. D* has not prepared their CSRs to answer inquiries about these issues, so not only are people not getting what they want (more HD), but they can't get a reason either.

I'm trying to maintain calm about this, but it's frustrating when you get an answer. If there's some exclusive deal with In HD or some other reason, just let me know and I'll cope. A few years ago, a lot of YES programming was blacked out for Sports Pack subs, and they posted a letter on their website explaining why (something about showing MLB copyrighted highlights out of market). Later, they posted an update that said they solved the issue.

In this situation, it would be great to get something like that from YES or D*. All of us want the programming, obviously, but if that's not possible, just tell me (and everyone else) why so we can understand.


Amen.

Well I have subscibed to EI for years now and never received any out of market games in HD with the package. With D* adding YesHd to the local market I don't know why everyone on this board was thinking it was going to change.

Is this the 1st regional sports channel D* carries with HD baseball?

I have been on the phone with Directv and Yes, and it has to be a problem with Directv. Yes claims we should be receiving in Pa, and other markets as long as we have the MLB package. I bet Directv has no way of controlling the HD channels to exclude people who do not pay for the MLB package. They will not admit it, but there needs to be a better explanation from someone, especially Directv.

Dinger23,
This is the first time that Directv has listed an HD televised local sports network program as a "special event" on EVERYONE'S guide.
It makes no sense to not show this game to the rest of the EI and HD channel purchasing public, since the bandwidth is being used anyway. Sterling at Directv customer retention is researching this and maybe, just maybe, we can get an answer as to what the problem is.

Well I have subscibed to EI for years now and never received any out of market games in HD with the package. With D* adding YesHd to the local market I don't know why everyone on this board was thinking it was going to change.

Is this the 1st regional sports channel D* carries with HD baseball?

Ding,

The whole point of the MLB package is to see out of market games. Otherwise, what's the point?

The whole purpose of the HD package is to see HD programming.

It is logical to assume that if you've purchased the MLB package and the HD package, then you'd receive the HD feed, whether it's out of market or not.

I am getting the SD feed but not the HD feed. It doesn't make sense. However, I am happy to report that I can watch both the SD and HD HBO and Showtime feeds.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by bigman526
The whole point of the MLB package is to see out of market games. Otherwise, what's the point?
The whole purpose of the HD package is to see HD programming.
It is logical to assume that if you've purchased the MLB package and the HD package, then you'd receive the HD feed, whether it's out of market or not.

But there are other RSNs in HD that have never shown HD games as part of EI. Why would YES be any different?

The problem is with MLB. They don't have their act together on this. NFL put together the Sunday Ticket HD package and put a ton of marketing behind it. D*, E*, Indemand, and others can only show what MLB gives them as part of the EI package. D*, E*, InDemand, etc. don't control it.

I bet Directv has no way of controlling the HD channels to exclude people who do not pay for the MLB package.

They can keep people that don't subscribe to the NFL package from getting the hd games...I'm sure the same is true for baseball.

Originally posted by audiomagnate
You should do it on-line, change your service address to a NY address but keep you mailing address the same. No, you can't keep your Philly locals. There's a limit.

Actually the people in the Philly DMA might be able to do it.

The baseball blackout map is different from the DMA map, so there are some overlaps in adjoin gin areas.

People in Philly should try Monmouth, Ocean, and Mercer county NJ zip codes. Someone around here lives in Mercer County and reported getting YES and Philly locals from cable (although that might be something related to where his head end is located). I’m pretty sure there are parts of Monmouth and Ocean too that get NYC channels but Philly baseball and I suspect vice versa.

There’s tool on the DirecTV website to see what locals and RSN;s you get. Get a map of NJ and start slapping in zip codes. I can tell you that I’m in 08822 (Flemington) and we are the last Yankee zip as the next zip code south (Ringoes) is Philly country. The line should travel roughly southest from here. Just try zips on either side of the line and I suspect you’ll find some that allow philly locals and YES network Yankee games.

I posted a link I found at DBS forums the other day with the MLKB map- it didn’t have details you can make out, but there even appear to be some border areas in mercer, Monmouth, and ocean that get BOTH the Yankees and Phillies.

(I think there is also A tool on the MLB website to determine blackout areas by zip code- maybe that’s easier to navigate)

Ok let me see if I can make my point clear. I have HD via cable. I get the EI package every year. When I watch an out of market I do not get the HD feed. For some reason people who have D* feel like they should.

Well I guess I should of been getting all these games in HD for the last couple of years.

I hope D* gets the Yankee games in HD out of market. Then my Cable company will go out and do the same thing. I still think the deal with MLB and INHD is the reason for this not showing up.

Again I will ask is this the 1st regional sports network on D* that shows HD baseball. Do people in Boston get NESN HD on D*? These are the people who should be upset

By the way Yanks up 3-2

Originally posted by michaelk
Actually the people in the Philly DMA might be able to do it.

The baseball blackout map is different from the DMA map, so there are some overlaps in adjoin gin areas.

People in Philly should try Monmouth, Ocean, and Mercer county NJ zip codes. Someone around here lives in Mercer County and reported getting YES and Philly locals from cable (although that might be something related to where his head end is located). I’m pretty sure there are parts of Monmouth and Ocean too that get NYC channels but Philly baseball and I suspect vice versa.

There’s tool on the DirecTV website to see what locals and RSN;s you get. Get a map of NJ and start slapping in zip codes. I can tell you that I’m in 08822 (Flemington) and we are the last Yankee zip as the next zip code south (Ringoes) is Philly country. The line should travel roughly southest from here. Just try zips on either side of the line and I suspect you’ll find some that allow philly locals and YES network Yankee games.

I posted a link I found at DBS forums the other day with the MLKB map- it didn’t have details you can make out, but there even appear to be some border areas in mercer, Monmouth, and ocean that get BOTH the Yankees and Phillies.

(I think there is also A tool on the MLB website to determine blackout areas by zip code- maybe that’s easier to navigate)

You are right im in 08527 (Jackson NJ) and on the cusp of yankee/philly territory I can get the yes network and philly locals although i chose NY locals. Whats a little miss leading is the way D* handles blackouts. Its done by zipcode but not by a 5 digit code rather the first 3 digits of the zip code.

This is because there equiptment is old. I know this for a fact and have gone back and forth with D* and yes network for 3 years. This is the reason I "moved". I've beed blacked out of yankee games many times because im too close to philly. My zipcode via D* does not show yes network even though as per MLB and YES im in Yankee territory.

I just got off the phone with YES. They claim, there is a problem with one of the 2 "feeders" (don't know what that is, but that's what she called it). They claim DirecTV is aware of the problem and is working on it and it is DirecTV's problem. The result, according to them, is that all out of market subscribers to MLB are blacked out of the HD broadcast. She also verified to me that all MLB EI subscribers are eligible to receive the HD broadcast.

STOP POSTING GAME UPDATES IN THIS THREAD!!! JEEZUS!!!!!

Originally posted by smahon
STOP POSTING GAME UPDATES IN THIS THREAD!!! JEEZUS!!!!! Easy there fella...

Originally posted by webboy10169
...

By the way Rivera blown save. :(


Dude- you’re killing me.

I’m at work and have the tivo taping the game!

Oh well know I know just to fast forward the whole thing for the highlights.


;)

wow what an ending

Originally posted by michaelk
Dude- you’re killing me.

I’m at work and have the tivo taping the game!

Oh well know I know just to fast forward the whole thing for the highlights.


;)
sorry i just removed it but you quoted it so...

Originally posted by michaelk
Dude- you’re killing me.

I’m at work and have the tivo taping the game!

Oh well know I know just to fast forward the whole thing for the highlights.


;)

DJ you son of a b*tch :D :p

great game

Nice finish...If you're a Yankees fan (which I'm not goddamnit).

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I called D* and told them I just moved to my old NY address....instant channel 94....hahahahaha


....and to top it off the Yankees win....tttthhhheeeee Yankees WIN!

Originally posted by Mikey_C
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I called D* and told them I just moved to my old NY address....instant channel 94....hahahahaha

Welcome back to the neighborhood :)

Originally posted by smahon
I just got off the phone with YES. They claim, there is a problem with one of the 2 "feeders" (don't know what that is, but that's what she called it). They claim DirecTV is aware of the problem and is working on it and it is DirecTV's problem. The result, according to them, is that all out of market subscribers to MLB are blacked out of the HD broadcast. She also verified to me that all MLB EI subscribers are eligible to receive the HD broadcast.

I don't doubt that's what she told you....I'm just....skeptical that it's true. For the MLB EI package to have an allowance for HD games NATIONWIDE from an RSN would be (IMHO) groundbreaking, as the MLB EI package has been widely lambasted as being bass ackwards WRT airing OTA broadcasts in comparison to it's NBA counterpart.

I just LOVE the amount of confusion that goes on with the OOM sports packages WRT D* year in and year out.... :D

Guess we'll have to wait and see then. :confused:

Originally posted by smahon
STOP POSTING GAME UPDATES IN THIS THREAD!!! JEEZUS!!!!!

Psst, hey, how about you stop reading the thread until you watch the game then? Easy solution.

Originally posted by sangs
Psst, hey, how about you stop reading the thread until you watch the game then? Easy solution.


a little thing called WORK :D


Its one think to hide in my cube and read a forum, a whole ‘nother to prop up a tv and start watching.

:cool:

Who Tivo's the 2nd game of the season? In fact, any game?

Originally posted by dm145
Who Tivo's the 2nd game of the season? In fact, any game?

I Tivo every Yankee game!!!




"THE CURSE IS BACK"

Originally posted by dm145
Who Tivo's the 2nd game of the season? In fact, any game?

I'm proud to say I TIVO'D (or generic DVR'D) around 145 of the Tribe's 152 or so aired games last season.

:D

Originally posted by jaypb
I'm proud to say I TIVO'D (or generic DVR'D) around 145 of the Tribe's 152 or so aired games last season.

:D

Yes, but did you watch them all? ;)

Originally posted by NateDawg
Yes, but did you watch them all? ;)

Yup. On 3x speed :D

It was easy last year with a newborn in the house....since I seemed to be awake more often then asleep :p

Mikey_C,

what zip code did you use please?

thanks

Originally posted by Mikey_C
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I called D* and told them I just moved to my old NY address....instant channel 94....hahahahaha


....and to top it off the Yankees win....tttthhhheeeee Yankees WIN!

Originally posted by Shadowbox
But there are other RSNs in HD that have never shown HD games as part of EI. Why would YES be any different?

The problem is with MLB. They don't have their act together on this. NFL put together the Sunday Ticket HD package and put a ton of marketing behind it. D*, E*, Indemand, and others can only show what MLB gives them as part of the EI package. D*, E*, InDemand, etc. don't control it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the other RSNs with HD games aren't listed in the guide (specifically, Channel 94) under the Heading MLB-HD.

If they are, then I'm wrong. If they're not... then heck yeah it's different. I pay for MLB package, and I pay for the HD package. Give me what I pay for.:confused:

After numerous phone calls to Directv, I called Yes to also complain. The rep at YES claimed I should be receiving as long as I had the MLB and HD package. A rep later clalled me back from YES and claimed they were looking into the problem. She also stated that I should be receiving. I hope with enough complaints to Directv and YES, maybe we can resolve this issue.

I am not a DirecTV customer, but it only seems reasonable that if you subscribe to the MLB Extra Innings package and have the HD package, then it would seem like an obvious choice that you would get the YES Network's HD broadcast. Maybe what MLB wants, since from what I gather they control it, is something similar DirecTV has with the NFL. Make a separate package for HD games that might cost more. Not sure this is the reason DirecTV is not showing the YES games in HD to MLB EI subscribers, but its a possibility. Also never understood why Comcast doesn't show the pregame or postgame shows on the MLB EI package.

Just to clarify a minor point here (as much as anything can be clarified in this thread). The "HD" package is a specific package of channels in and of itself. It is not required to receive any other HD channels that are part of other packages and the channels associated with the HD package are not available anywhere else; ie, if you subscribe to HBO and/or Showtime, you also get the HD versions of those channels. NFLST was the same way and did not require the HD package. If you are in the YES DMA, you also get the HD game on 94, regardless of whether you have the HD package. So, I do not believe that the HD package has anything to do with this issue (though I'm quite sure D* reps will be confused by this as well). For me, the bottom line of this issue should be: YES DMA and MLBEI all get channel 94, subject to legitemate blackouts, like tomorrow night, of course. Speeking of tomorrow night, will YES DMA customers have this game on 94 or will it be ESPNHD (and therfore HD Pack) only?

Originally posted by Mikey_C
I Tivo every Yankee game!!!




"THE CURSE IS BACK" Thanks to Derek (F-in) Jeter

Originally posted by smahon
Just to clarify a minor point here (as much as anything can be clarified in this thread). The "HD" package is a specific package of channels in and of itself. It is not required to receive any other HD channels that are part of other packages and the channels associated with the HD package are not available anywhere else; ie, if you subscribe to HBO and/or Showtime, you also get the HD versions of those channels. NFLST was the same way and did not require the HD package. If you are in the YES DMA, you also get the HD game on 94, regardless of whether you have the HD package. So, I do not believe that the HD package has anything to do with this issue (though I'm quite sure D* reps will be confused by this as well). For me, the bottom line of this issue should be: YES DMA and MLBEI all get channel 94, subject to legitemate blackouts, like tomorrow night, of course. Speeking of tomorrow night, will YES DMA customers have this game on 94 or will it be ESPNHD (and therfore HD Pack) only?

Tomorrows games, is a day games, 1 pm start

Maybe DirecTV and Comcast can negotiate a deal the MLB so that they can offer the MLB Extra Innings in HD. They could offer MLB EI in SD and a package in HD. There has to be a way to figure this out.

NYC's TWC figured out how to get the 2nd game to Mahattan and Queens, etc., today instead of only Staten Island. Reasonably good fidelity here. Surprised to see YES delivering 1080i blimp shots of the stadium when I'm so used to the toy-camera SD images from blimps. Kudos to YES Network. -- John

Originally posted by liner
I have been on the phone with Directv and Yes, and it has to be a problem with Directv. Yes claims we should be receiving in Pa, and other markets as long as we have the MLB package. I bet Directv has no way of controlling the HD channels to exclude people who do not pay for the MLB package. They will not admit it, but there needs to be a better explanation from someone, especially Directv.

DirecTV is so clueless that it is possible we should receive the game, but it blacked the game out as a matter of course. DirecTV's actions, when it comes to sports programming, are often a mystery and remain that way. For example, last night DirecTV showed the White Sox replay but blacked out the Mets replay. Any explanation for that seeming contradiction? The sad thing is I don't think anyone is going to get a knowledgeable answer from DirecTV.

Originally posted by shadowbox
But there are other RSNs in HD that have never shown HD games as part of EI. Why would YES be any different?

The problem is with MLB. They don't have their act together on this. NFL put together the Sunday Ticket HD package and put a ton of marketing behind it. D*, E*, Indemand, and others can only show what MLB gives them as part of the EI package. D*, E*, InDemand, etc. don't control it.

I respectfully disagree. I can not see any reason MLB would show the game in SD, but decide to force a blackout of the HD telecast only. That would not make any sense.

Originally posted by michaelk
Actually the people in the Philly DMA might be able to do it.

The baseball blackout map is different from the DMA map, so there are some overlaps in adjoin gin areas.

People in Philly should try Monmouth, Ocean, and Mercer county NJ zip codes. Someone around here lives in Mercer County and reported getting YES and Philly locals from cable (although that might be something related to where his head end is located). I’m pretty sure there are parts of Monmouth and Ocean too that get NYC channels but Philly baseball and I suspect vice versa.

There’s tool on the DirecTV website to see what locals and RSN;s you get. Get a map of NJ and start slapping in zip codes. I can tell you that I’m in 08822 (Flemington) and we are the last Yankee zip as the next zip code south (Ringoes) is Philly country. The line should travel roughly southest from here. Just try zips on either side of the line and I suspect you’ll find some that allow philly locals and YES network Yankee games.

I posted a link I found at DBS forums the other day with the MLKB map- it didn’t have details you can make out, but there even appear to be some border areas in mercer, Monmouth, and ocean that get BOTH the Yankees and Phillies.

(I think there is also A tool on the MLB website to determine blackout areas by zip code- maybe that’s easier to navigate)

A problem if you "move" is that you will probably lose your distant networks and not be able to get them back.

Originally posted by igreg
A problem if you "move" is that you will probably lose you distant networks and not be able to get them back.

uh..yeah..that would definitely be something to consider..I'm already getting stuff I'm not supposed to, so "moving" is out of the question...:)

Originally posted by SonyHD
I am not a DirecTV customer, but it only seems reasonable that if you subscribe to the MLB Extra Innings package and have the HD package, then it would seem like an obvious choice that you would get the YES Network's HD broadcast. Maybe what MLB wants, since from what I gather they control it, is something similar DirecTV has with the NFL. Make a separate package for HD games that might cost more. Not sure this is the reason DirecTV is not showing the YES games in HD to MLB EI subscribers, but its a possibility. Also never understood why Comcast doesn't show the pregame or postgame shows on the MLB EI package.

DirecTV does not have a separate package for NFL games in HD that cost more. The HD games come with Sunday Ticket at no additional cost. Perhaps we should be grateful to get HBO-HD with no additonal cost.

Originally posted by liner
After numerous phone calls to Directv, I called Yes to also complain. The rep at YES claimed I should be receiving as long as I had the MLB and HD package. A rep later clalled me back from YES and claimed they were looking into the problem. She also stated that I should be receiving. I hope with enough complaints to Directv and YES, maybe we can resolve this issue.

What number did you call at YES?

zoma 4

The phone at YES is 646-487-3600. I think we need to keep pressure on both YES and DTV.

I found the following article interesting. It does not indicate that certain markets would be restricted.

The Yankees Entertainment & Sports Network (YES) will televise 70 New York Yankees 2005 regular-season games in high definition, beginning with Sunday's game against the Boston Red Sox.

Of the 70 games televised in HD, 64 will be Yankees home games. YES has signed agreements with cable operator Comcast and satellite provider DirecTV for carriage of the Yankees HDTV games, and the network is also negotiating HD carriage deals with other cable operators in the New York metropolitan area.

For Comcast subscribers, YES HD telecasts will be seen on INHD2 (Channel 207). For DirecTV subscribers, the HD telecasts will be seen on Channel 94.

Originally posted by liner
zoma 4

The phone at YES is 646-487-3600. I think we need to keep pressure on both YES and DTV.

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Thanks for the number. I will make sure to call.

I agree, they need to hear from all the people out there that the current situation is unacceptable. Put the pressure on YES. If YES tells D* to broadcast to EI subs, then they will do it!

I called D* and they told me a different story. I have EI and HD pkg. Today I got EI and 622 (YES Network SD). On 94, it said the game would be on but at the appointed time the screen told me I was not authorized for the broadcast even though I had access via the other 2 stations.

I can understand total blackout, but not getting only SD. After 40 minutes of asking my question and being on hold, the reply was, "we only broadcast the YES HD feed in the NY area, not out of area." The rep said that I could write to corporate if I wanted--awfully nice of him, no?

I'll call YES on Wed.

Originally posted by bigman526
Originally posted by Shadowbox
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the other RSNs with HD games aren't listed in the guide (specifically, Channel 94) under the Heading MLB-HD.
If they are, then I'm wrong. If they're not... then heck yeah it's different. I pay for MLB package, and I pay for the HD package. Give me what I pay for.:confused:

Who knows why the MLB isn't allowing it. All I'm saying is D* has no control over it. If they could show YES-HD out of market to EI customers or anyone else, don't you think they would? There has never been one piece of marketing for MLB-EI that said anything about HD. This is the same thing as Minnesota customers getting Timberwolf games in HD while it was blacked out everywhere else. Even to those that had NBA Season Pass.

You never know, it may be that it would be unfair to other RSNs that broadcast HD. Maybe FSN-HD, ComcastSports-HD, Turner South-HD, NESN-HD and others would all like to have their HD channels available nationwide. I don't think D* has the bandwidth for that. Maybe part of the deal with D* and YES is that it can't be shown out of market, even with EI.

The NFL Sunday Ticket is a different story because RSNs aren't involved. And there are way more baseball games. NFL has what, 16 games per week? MLB has about 10-15 games per day. And a good portion of them have HD coverage now.

Originally posted by shadowbox
I am watching via D* on a Pioneer Plasma. Using the internal speakers in Stereo I can verify that the sound is not mixed well. The crowd is way too loud. I have SRS off, and I have even tried the Pioneer feature called "Focus" which is supposed to bring out the dialogue. Its just poorly mixed. I realize that they are mixing for 5.1. But any good audio engineer checks his mixes in mono, stereo, and surround for an overall balance. The worst is Paul O'Neal's mic. There are times when you can hardly hear what he is saying. Michael Kay pretty much comes through all the time, but the crowd is still too loud.

There is another variable here though. I suppose, since according to a previous post YES only sends out the 5.1 audio, the Pioneer is converting the 5.1 into stereo. It's possible that some boxes may convert 5.1 to stereo better than others.

Please post how you are watching the game. D*, Comcast, TWC, etc. Also, what is feeding the audio signal to the Pioneer plasma? Red/white RCA connectors from your STB? Internal tuner (cable only)? How's the DD5.1 from your STB?

All STBs convert 5.1 to stereo in exactly the same way. Some sets might have some "enhancements" (Stadium mode, reverb, "focus," etc.)

I'll have to wait until Friday night to sit home and watch the game. Sunday was too cold and there was A LOT of crowd and no announcers, if you catch my drift.

Originally posted by igreg
I respectfully disagree. I can not see any reason MLB would show the game in SD, but decide to force a blackout of the HD telecast only. That would not make any sense.

I'm not saying it makes sense. But it seems to be true doesn't it? Do you really think D* could show YES-HD nationwide if they wanted to. Are they not showing it just to p*** people off? And do you think YES would want to blackout their games out of market if they didn't have to? There are Yankee fans all over the country, I'm sure if they could show it they would. The ball is completely in MLB's court...er...I mean field. :)

I dont know why MLB would have anything to do with this.

This is either a YES thing or a D* thing.

MLB EI is to get out of market ballgames, I would not think they care what TV format is used to deliver it to you.

Originally posted by shadowbox
Who knows why the MLB isn't allowing it. All I'm saying is D* has no control over it. If they could show YES-HD out of market to EI customers or anyone else, don't you think they would? There has never been one piece of marketing for MLB-EI that said anything about HD. This is the same thing as Minnesota customers getting Timberwolf games in HD while it was blacked out everywhere else. Even to those that had NBA Season Pass.

You never know, it may be that it would be unfair to other RSNs that broadcast HD. Maybe FSN-HD, ComcastSports-HD, Turner South-HD, NESN-HD and others would all like to have their HD channels available nationwide. I don't think D* has the bandwidth for that. Maybe part of the deal with D* and YES is that it can't be shown out of market, even with EI.

The NFL Sunday Ticket is a different story because RSNs aren't involved. And there are way more baseball games. NFL has what, 16 games per week? MLB has about 10-15 games per day. And a good portion of them have HD coverage now.

Originally posted by bigcat
I dont know why MLB would have anything to do with this.
This is either a YES thing or a D* thing.
MLB EI is to get out of market ballgames, I would not think they care what TV format is used to deliver it to you.

Every game broadcast has to be approved by the MLB. And every type of broadcast has to be approved. You know--"...without the express written consent...yadda, yadda, yadda..." The MLB dictates which games are blacked out and why. MLB-EI is a package put together by MLB and sold to DBS and cable.

Give one reason why YES or D* would benefit by blacking this game out outside of NY area? Do you think they are just asleep at the wheel? I suppose that's possible. But I doubt it.

So.. you are saying MLB has given the OK to show High Definition Baseball to New York, and denied it to the rest of the country ... I guess that makes more sense ...

Originally posted by shadowbox
Every game broadcast has to be approved by the MLB. And every type of broadcast has to be approved. You know--"...without the express written consent...yadda, yadda, yadda..." The MLB dictates which games are blacked out and why. MLB-EI is a package put together by MLB and sold to DBS and cable.

Give one reason why YES or D* would benefit by blacking this game out outside of NY area? Do you think they are just asleep at the wheel? I suppose that's possible. But I doubt it.

Here's a new and unsettling twist.

I called my local D* provider. She couldn't tell me why I couldn't get the YES HD feed but she gave me a number to call at MLB.

So, I called MLB and the customer rep told me that not only shouldn't I be getting the HD feed, I should not be getting the SD feed on channel 622! Once I recovered, I told her my local D* provider has always said I can get YES (the Yankee games) if I buy the EI package. Nope, not true, she says. "You should not get any Yankee games on YES if you're out of market."

So I told her to forget I ever called, "Okay" she says, "but you're very lucky."

Does anybody understand this convoluted system? Help!

What the heck is a "local D* provider"?

Originally posted by dm145
Who Tivo's the 2nd game of the season? In fact, any game?
i tivo every single game.

even the ones i watch "live".

Live ones i like to have all the buffer i coudl want.

ones I miss and watch later- if i have time i watch in the entirety, if less time I scan through it, if no time it just gets dumped the next day when the new game comes on.

I'm actually more likely to watch every game at the beginning of the year when it matters. Once June rolls around and Boston takes their customary dive into 2nd place/wildcard spot, the games mean much less since the yanks usually have it locked up.

PLus todays- specifics- ITS BOSTON my friend (and actually I'm in the middle of the 7th as I write this at 10pm...)