no stand, but that wasn't too important to me. Guess he saw the JVC stand thread. :D

Does anyone have their JVC-DILA in an enclosed entertainment center. Did you allow for the recomended spacing (6" on either side + 2" in back) ? Is heat a problem?

Hello. Great thread. Thanks for the info you've given me. I'll probably be placing an order for a Z model today and just wanted to overview the issues these JVC's might have. I scanned about 25pages of this thread over the last couple of days and it's kinda a blur.

Are the major talking points the bulb, CA, smudges & black levels? I've read messages on how to best deal with these things - I just want to makes sure i'm not missing anything.
Did i miss anything? Thanks again.
Rob

FYI - I bought from BuyDig.com on the 1st with standard shipping (they require signature delivery). On the 2nd I was sent the tracking info and by the 3rd the shipping company had picked up the TV. It is supposed to arrive by the 9th as I live in AZ. So far, so good.

They are on the back bottom right if you are facing the TV.
Thanks, for this and all the other great information you've provided. After months of research, I finally decided on the JVC. :D

Hey the64gto, when did you order? I ordered on 7/21 and my 52" JVC still hasn't shipped yet.

If DTVCity can't ship by this Thursday, I may just go with buydig.com. I ordered from buydig once before with no problems. But I'd be paying $40 more and won't get the free stand. :( I just finished painting my new entertainment center, so am ready to get this TV.
It took about 2.5 weeks. Salesman told me I just missed the first shipment and that there would be a 7-14 day delay. It arrived @5:30 am on a saturday, the following monday was a holiday, and I took delivery on wed. So it was at the trucking facility for 4-5 days before I could get it. :confused:

Where would I find the 'code' to look at the service menu?? just in case I might want to look at it. :p

It took about 2.5 weeks. Salesman told me I just missed the first shipment and that there would be a 7-14 day delay. It arrived @5:30 am on a saturday, the following monday was a holiday, and I took delivery on wed. So it was at the trucking facility for 4-5 days before I could get it. :confused:

Where would I find the 'code' to look at the service menu?? just in case I might want to look at it. :p

From memory, so don't get mad if I'm wrong:

Press the "sleep" button on the remote, then as the TV reads Timer:00 press "display" and "video status" simultaneously.

Thanks, for this and all the other great information you've provided. After months of research, I finally decided on the JVC. :D


Awesome. I hope that you are happy with the purchase and don't live regretting following the advice of some of us. let us know how it goes.

Does anyone know why some online retailers have different prices for the silver and black models of these JVC's? I mean the color is just a preferance. It shouldn't change the price by a couple of hundred dollars. I just wonder how they justify that. Perhaps 1 color sells better than the other so they jack the price up? That doesn't sound fair.

Perhaps 1 color sells better than the other so they jack the price up? That doesn't sound fair.
Whoever said capitalism and free enterprise had to be "fair."

Whoever said captitalism and free enterprise had to be "fair."

This is true!


Another odd thing I find on some of these sights is the price of the 61z LESS than the 56G. I realize the 61" came out a few months earlier but it has essentialy the same guts with a slightly older case...oh yeah and its bigger

so why less?

Does anyone know why some online retailers have different prices for the silver and black models of these JVC's? I mean the color is just a preferance. It shouldn't change the price by a couple of hundred dollars. I just wonder how they justify that. Perhaps 1 color sells better than the other so they jack the price up? That doesn't sound fair. It could be that they produced less of one color than another, or that consumers are showing an overwhelming preference for a certain color. If prices are changing to reflect either of those situations, then that's pure economics.

As for why the 61Z is selling for less than the 56G in some places, I can only think of two reasons for this:

Older models generally have larger discounts associated with them compared to newer models.
Older models naturally develop more production economies compared to newer models.

And these reasons may be dependent on each other. Given that the MSRP of the 61Z is only $600 more than the 56G, even though it's a larger set, it's not that far-fetched that you're seeing this pricing anomaly.

JimsArcade - thanks for the input!

I prefer the black sets but not to the point that I will pay *extra* for it. Silver will do fine thank you very much!

I'm also considering the value of ordering a 61" for LESS than 56". I can't really think of a downside to that.

SenorPete - unless you don't have the space for it, I can't see any down side, either. I say jump on the 61Z!

SenorPete - unless you don't have the space for it, I can't see any down side, either. I say jump on the 61Z!


I suppose the potential downside is that one may be sitting slightly too close for a 61 inch model. Also, the 56 almost certainly has a later build date than the 61... though this may or may not matter, I can't find any definitve evidence one way or another.

I'd say as long as you're sitting far enough away, if you can get the 61 silver for less than the 56 black, go for it.

Here in Ottawa, the big box stores get the silver. The 'boutiques' get the black. Why JVC differentiates, I don't know. Their way of protecting their smaller customers, I guess.

Does anyone have their JVC-DILA in an enclosed entertainment center. Did you allow for the recomended spacing (6" on either side + 2" in back) ? Is heat a problem?


You need 4"- 5" from the rear of the TV, and it should be open or have an opening for the hot air to escape. Don't think the side spacing matters.

the big box stores get the silver. The 'boutiques' get the black. Why JVC differentiates, I don't know. Silver = chinsy (cheap looking) = Big Box stores.
Black = high end, professional = "boutiques".

"Big box" Best Buy has the black models. HH Gregg had the black models last year.

Do you have DVI out on your computer? You should be able to go from DVI to HDMI...

I do have DVI output on my video card. However, I decided since the TV had a VGA input specifically, I'd use that. Then I can use the HDMI input for an HD-DVD player later on. I also found that long VGA cables were cheaper than long DVI/HDMI cables. Welp...if it doesn't work out, I can always get a switch box for the HDMI input, but I was trying to avoid that.

Kyle

hey asudem your settings seem in line with mine they vary a little but pretty close, do you use theater pro for all viewing? gaming as well? i am split between standard and theater.

I've not done enough gaming on it yet to decide which to use, but on my old TV I used its theatre mode for all viewing, so I'll probably do the same. But for everything except gaming, I'll definitely use theatre mode. Can't wait till the PS3 comes out early next year :)

Kyle

I've not done enough gaming on it yet to decide which to use, but on my old TV I used its theatre mode for all viewing, so I'll probably do the same. But for everything except gaming, I'll definitely use theatre mode. Can't wait till the PS3 comes out early next year :)

Kyle
i think ive decided to stick with theater it grows on you compared to standard, but on my older set the picture was a helluva lot darker, with splinter cell you couldnt see even with night vision , not a problem with the jvc, plus i think my set is broken in it doesnt seem to blind the hell outta me like the first few days i had it, it would make you squint.... :cool:

i think ive decided to stick with theater it grows on you compared to standard, but on my older set the picture was a helluva lot darker, with splinter cell you couldnt see even with night vision , not a problem with the jvc, plus i think my set is broken in it doesnt seem to blind the hell outta me like the first few days i had it, it would make you squint.... :cool:

Heh. It's funny that you mention the "blinding". I think I experienced that as well. I remember having to adjust my eyes when watching the TV, but I've not had to do that for a while now myself.

I notice a big difference in quality between DVDs for shows produced recently versus older shows. I guess they're taking more care nowadays to make the DVDs have cleaner output.

Welp...tomorrow I find out if they can fix the audio problem on my set. Here's hoping they do without too much fuss.

Kyle

of all the forum readers who have trouble with their JVC sets how long did it take to show up? Was it out of the box? I have had mine 3 weeks now and no dark spots, no purple smudges, no loud fan noise, and this set is on around at least 12 hours a day, my spouse and i work opposite shifts so its on from 9am to 3pm, back on at 5pm or so until 9or 10pm(her bedtime) back on when i get in(11pm) until i go to sleep around 3am. so ill be looking for a new bulb sooner than later. but when school starts back itll be off til 5pm or so then on until about 1am except on weekends. it would be nice to know if most trouble is out of the box or after so much use...

Well I returned the 52" Mitts DLP to BB and they are going to be delivering my replacement 52" Black JVC DILA tomorrow! Very excited about trying this set out. I hope it performs well. I originally wanted this set but it was way out of my price range. With the problems I had with the Mitts and the management at BB they made an attractive offer for the JVC that I couldn't turn down. I've read every page in this thread, thanks for all of the great info... Keep it coming!

of all the forum readers who have trouble with their JVC sets how long did it take to show up? Was it out of the box? I have had mine 3 weeks now and no dark spots, no purple smudges, no loud fan noise, and this set is on around at least 12 hours a day, my spouse and i work opposite shifts so its on from 9am to 3pm, back on at 5pm or so until 9or 10pm(her bedtime) back on when i get in(11pm) until i go to sleep around 3am. so ill be looking for a new bulb sooner than later. but when school starts back itll be off til 5pm or so then on until about 1am except on weekends. it would be nice to know if most trouble is out of the box or after so much use...

Got my 52" in on TUES and got around to unpacking it last night. Right out of the box there was a kind of "smudge" in the upper center of the screen...kind of a ghosting effect.

Set it up and watched it for a while to see if the smudge disappeared..but nope, still there. Can't really see it when the TV is on...unless a really dark screen. But can definitely see it when it's off.

Gonna drop by Best Buy and have them delv me a new one...hope they don't give me any trouble.

As far as the picture (minus the smudge) goes...was really good to me. The set is easy to setup...no issues. Still need to calibrate it, etc...but pleased so far. Now..the fan noise IS louder than expected. I can clearly hear it from 12ft away with no volume. BUT...even low volumes will basically cancel the fan noice out. Will probably try some of the suggestions on this thread (rubber, foam, etc under the front of the TV) to help with the noice since it's now sitting in a wood entertainment center.

Off to Best Buy....

thanks rob, this type of thing should help narrow down issues with these sets, as far as if you have trouble out of the box or if issues develop over time

Right out of the box there was a kind of "smudge" in the upper center of the screen...kind of a ghosting effect.Internal foam that shifted. Somewhat common on some other sets (DLP's).Will probably try some of the suggestions on this thread (rubber, foam, etc under the front of the TV) to help with the noice since it's now sitting in a wood entertainment center.If there are any vents on the bottom, be sure NOT to block them!

well my visual bliss is over, my sets blue led for power wont go off, the set shuts down normally fans run to cool, but the blue led just gets dim never goes off, it will power up normally so im putting the call in today to the dealer and jvc, damn just when you think you get something good.... :mad:
any suggestions? i think im gonna push for a swap 'cuz i really like this set

Well, I've just found out that my set does indeed have CA. I have a white line pattern on the screen being played from my DVD player. I've found it's easier to see exactly what it looks like if I hit the freeze button on the remote. This is for a 52G786 TV, BTW. It seems to be about one pixel in width near the center of the screen and about two pixels in width near the far side of the screen. On the right side of the screen, I get purplish pixels on the left side of the white line and greenish pixels on the right side of the line. I get the opposite on the left side of the screen.

Granted, I can't really notice this from where I'm sitting on the patter I'm using to test it with, but I did notice it somewhat in some subtitles on a DVD I was watching. Is this about the same as most others have, or is mine showing a worse problem?

Should I coordinate with who I bought the set to fix/replace it, or should I go through JVC? Will JVC replace it if I complain about this problem, or will I most likely not get it any better by getting a new one?

I had a guy from a repair place here look at my set today to see about fixing the audio. I hadn't really taken a good look at this till after he was gone. Luckily, he'll be back to fix it. He had to order a new audio board for my TV. So I guess I can have him take a look at it then to see if there's anything he can do.

Kyle

I have about a 1 pixel CA on my 61Z786. It's invisible during programs, can only be seen in a white test pattern and even then only when you are very close up. I watch programs, not test patterns.

It's a great set. I'm certainly not giving it up or trading it.

I got my unit on Saturday. I don't recall seeing a "smudge" on Saturday, but I sure noticed it on Sunday. At first I thought it was light from a window or something (I guess "glare" might be a better description than "smudge") but is there day or night, on or off. I stopped by Best Buy and they think it is dust. The guy said it is common that you move the old TV out and there is dust on the wall of hanging in the air and the fan sucks it in.... bang, you have the spot. They are sending somebody out to clean it, so we will see if that is the case. Great picture otherwise.

On an IR note....... I've been using IR mini-emitters but it looks like I might be out of luck with that for this TV. According to the FAQ on the JVC site the IR reception is within the screen itself. I tried holding an emitter in the corner and sending a signal but that was no go. Anybody have any idea if there is a spot/way to use the mini-emitter?

Hi all:

I am very interested in buying a 61" JVC D-ILA this fall, so I'm doing some pre-purchase investigating. Unfortunately, I'm having a heck of a time finding a local dealer that has one on the display floor, so I have so far been unable to judge PQ for myself. Reading these forums has been immensely helpful, so I'd like to take the time to say thanks very much to everyone that has contributed to this thread.

One question that I have is: What are the vertical and horizontal dimensions of the actual screen itself (not the entire cabinet) on the 61" model?

I am also going bonkers reading different threads, trying to figure out which brands and display types (LCD, D-ILA, DLP) are better suited for gaming on the XBox and PS2. I have found great info from many people, but unfortunately I also find conflicting recommendations. Is the general consensus that motion blurring and video/audio sync problems are not an issue on the newer JVC D-ILA displays? Any weird problems with gaming in 480i/p or 1080i versus 720p? This really concerns me, since about 70% of my screen time is spent playing video games of all sorts (action, RPG, sports, etc). I currently game on a Sony KV-36XBR450 36" which I have been extremely happy with, but I want to make the jump to a larger screen and native widescreen aspect ratio. Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks very much in advance for any insight or tips you can provide to help me with my upcoming purchasing decision.


-Bryan

I am very interested in buying a 61" JVC D-ILA this fall, so I'm doing some pre-purchase investigating. Unfortunately, I'm having a heck of a time finding a local dealer that has one on the display floor, so I have so far been unable to judge PQ for myself. Reading these forums has been immensely helpful, so I'd like to take the time to say thanks very much to everyone that has contributed to this thread.

One question that I have is: What are the vertical and horizontal dimensions of the actual screen itself (not the entire cabinet) on the 61" model?


Hehe, I was trying to figure this out myself the other day. Given that we know the screen can be divided into 2 right triangles with a 61" hypotenuse and a horizontal-to-vertical aspect ratio of 16:9, I think it should be possible to figure out the lengths of the sides. However, my high school trigonometry apparently only extends to the point of plugging numbers into the Pythagorean theorem... so all I can tell you is that if you add the square of the vertical side and the square of the horizontal side, you get 3721. What I can't figure out is how to use the 16:9 aspect ratio to figure out the measurements of the 2 acute angles or the 2 short sides... though I'm almost certain there's some way to do it.


I am also going bonkers reading different threads, trying to figure out which brands and display types (LCD, D-ILA, DLP) are better suited for gaming on the XBox and PS2. I have found great info from many people, but unfortunately I also find conflicting recommendations. Is the general consensus that motion blurring and video/audio sync problems are not an issue on the newer JVC D-ILA displays? Any weird problems with gaming in 480i/p or 1080i versus 720p? This really concerns me, since about 70% of my screen time is spent playing video games of all sorts (action, RPG, sports, etc). I currently game on a Sony KV-36XBR450 36" which I have been extremely happy with, but I want to make the jump to a larger screen and native widescreen aspect ratio. Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks very much in advance for any insight or tips you can provide to help me with my upcoming purchasing decision.


I've been following the news about these JVC displays for almost a year, and I haven't seen anyone mention any major issues in regards to game playing. The lip-sync issues seem to be in regards to certain models of DLP sets, and only when using certain inputs. As for scaling issues, I can't imagine how those would be any different with a Playstation or Xbox than with any other device... although there are certainly some people here with more knowledge of scaling than me, heh.

My 61Z786 has a screen size of 30h x 53.3w"

(30)(30)+(53.3)(53.3)*almost* = (61)(61) for you Pythagorean people :)

Best stand I could ever think of and only $135.

more pics

Best stand I could ever think of and only $135.


Question for you... I'm going to get a D-ILA (I would have already had it, but some unexpected circumstances led me to delay purchasing)... anyway, from what I can tell of your pictures, it looks like the center of your screen is a bit above eye-level height... which is the same situation I'm going to be in (it looks like the center of the screen will be about 4 inches higher than my eye level when I'm sitting on my couch). According to the specs I saw of the set, it said the maximum vertical viewing angle was 30 degrees. I looked at one in a store at different angles and it seemed OK... only getting noticeably dim when I was at an angle that seemed sharper than 30 degrees. What has been your experience? Do find that you have to adjust your settings to a slightly brighter level than if your eye level was right at the center of the screen?

Chip,
Here's a few thumbs of my 56G. Nice setup by the way. Sorry about the glare in a few. I used the flash for a couple because it was a night. :)

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well its official my set has a quarter size neon purple spot in the middle of the screen and only in "black" areas. with the avia disc the black bars and log step pattern it shows very distinctly and therefore reproducible, i have checked it with rgb, svideo, and rca connections on all inputs it is still there, jvc support gave me the number to service center in TN about 4 hours from here, there is one other closer but not by much, they said they would call jvc and then get back to me, havent heard anything yet...out of curiosity i called a service center in birmingham AL just to ask a few questions, they said jvc usually doesnt get many calls as far as problems and are very likely to replace the set after they send a tech to service it. but with all techs being 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 hours away i wonder what will happen. i got a feeling ll be without any set for a while if they have to take it in, im not looking for a free upgrade(it would be nice) i just want this fixed. you folks got any ideas? the dealer i got it from gave 36months in house service but im sure his guys are locals and not jvc cert, plus when i described the problem he said it was probably a speaker too close. i was under the impression that d-ila sets were not effected by magnets. i am currently watching firefly playing spot the spot, this sucks i love this set

So when will the 70 inch 1080p sets be out???????????

Hi All,

After reading this thread for some time we decided to go with the JVC 52z585. It does offer a nice picture yet I find that the set has distractions to it. The fan noise is one of those that gets worse with time. I turn on the set and the fan starts running yet it's fairly quiet at first. After about 15 min. this fan has increased it's noise by lets say 6dB. and remains that loud from that point on. It's to a point that even with the volume set up lets say 20, 21 on the tv and only the tv speakers playing that we still hear it watching tv. Let me point out that we have only had this tv for 25 days and the fan noise has gotten worse sense day 1. :(
I called JVC about this and the person helping me told me to unplug the tv for an hour to see if that fixed the problem. If that didn't fix it to call this number for service.
The other problem is there seems to be a blue fuzzy dot/blob (center area of the screen) in on the screen that is static or in motion depending on what is being displayed. It shows it's self mainly in very dark pictures. Lets say channel logo @ the bottom of the screen and black screen between tv show & commercial. Static blue dot/blob in the center of the screen. It's very fuzzy like a double reflection kind of effect or skued light getting to the screen when it shouldn't. The motion blue fuzzy is seen very well when you display the DVD player screen saver or on DVE DVD test patterns. It moves with the displayed character on the screen.

Any thoughts?

Also this tv was made November 2004 which does qualify for the JVC to come out and replace a board that does (what?) Does someone know? maybe to fix another problem that we see. When turning the color all the way down it's black and white are red and green. It's kind of strange red tint on left side green tint on the right side. Not it perfect lines just in hues and blotches. Also we found it strange to get to the black and white part of the picture it was only in the lowest point. If you clicked it up one block on the color adgustment line and it just kicked right in(added color). I wasn't the fine adjustment I have on our CRT Front projector. :confused:

Ok this one I've read about here from others. It's a Smudge or somethis behind the screen. Am I being to anal about all this as my wife see's this also or is this just another quality control issue?
Smudge1 (http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php/photo/15929/size/big) Smudge2 (http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php?photo=15930&cat=506)



Thanks,
Chris

[QUOTE=aod]Chip,
Here's a few thumbs of my 56G. Nice setup by the way. Sorry about the glare in a few. I used the flash for a couple because it was a night. :)

I can't wait for a couple years when the front projectors get really nice picture at a sub $3000 level. I plan on putting a 120 inch fixed screen on that wall of mine. The speakers would still have about 2 feet of room on each side.

Question for you... I'm going to get a D-ILA (I would have already had it, but some unexpected circumstances led me to delay purchasing)... anyway, from what I can tell of your pictures, it looks like the center of your screen is a bit above eye-level height... which is the same situation I'm going to be in (it looks like the center of the screen will be about 4 inches higher than my eye level when I'm sitting on my couch). According to the specs I saw of the set, it said the maximum vertical viewing angle was 30 degrees. I looked at one in a store at different angles and it seemed OK... only getting noticeably dim when I was at an angle that seemed sharper than 30 degrees. What has been your experience? Do find that you have to adjust your settings to a slightly brighter level than if your eye level was right at the center of the screen?


Actually I have the briteness set at -5 with no problems. I am going to lower the shelves on the bottom one about 5 inches and move the other one above it down a few inches and then the top shelve should theoretically be able to come down about 8 inches. I will have to cut the top posts off with a hack saw so they are flush. It still is actually more comfortable with the height as I like to recline back and I dont have to strain my eyes when watching in a reclined position.

If there is one thing I need in this system is another sunfire subwoofer. The Martin Logan Monoliths are so overpowering in the mid to upper frequency that it needs much more bass. I have that theater grand signature series biamped into the Monoliths. 810 Watts per channel@8 ohms on those bad babies. And that is very high current. The speakers are rated at 4 ohms and go to 2 ohms so they really suck the power out of that 5 channel amp. I could get even more power out of it as that amp if you only have the 4 channels running into the monoliths and you leave the center channel empty it diverts that power equally to the other four channels. The other amp is running the two rears so I have 3 channels open. I might just hook the center channel to that smaller amp. Actually I would love another center channel speaker as well. I have inputs on my reciever/processor for 2.

I've been following the news about these JVC displays for almost a year, and I haven't seen anyone mention any major issues in regards to game playing. The lip-sync issues seem to be in regards to certain models of DLP sets, and only when using certain inputs. As for scaling issues, I can't imagine how those would be any different with a Playstation or Xbox than with any other device... although there are certainly some people here with more knowledge of scaling than me, heh.

Thanks for the info Cyclonus. That is pretty much the conclusion that I have come to as well. I agree that there should be no PQ issues due to scaling, or no more than from other sources. I was more concerned that running in non-native resolutions would lead to video delays due to up scaling, down scaling, or other digital display enhancements. It sounds like this is not a concern though :) Thanks again for the info!

-Bryan

My 61Z786 has a screen size of 30h x 53.3w"

(30)(30)+(53.3)(53.3)*almost* = (61)(61) for you Pythagorean people :)

Thanks for the dimensions, this is extremely helpful. Wow, this 61" JVC will be HUGE compared to my 36" 4:3 screen! I can hardly wait until I buy one :D


Does anyone happen to have a digital picture posted of the back side of the JVC? I'd love to see exactly where the various inputs are and such.


-Bryan

well its official my set has a quarter size neon purple spot in the middle of the screen[...] i just want this fixed. you folks got any ideas?

Don't walk, "RUN" to get your money back! :eek:

90% of the D-ILA's I have seen (and I've seen a lot of them) eventually exhibit this problem. Fixing this problem requires a complete light engine replacement, and a lot of patience on your part (because they may not fix it right the first time).

I know of very few people that have been completely satisfied with their first D-ILA. And quite frankly, the picture ain't all that great! :p

Sorry, Just the facts from my point of view! :)

Sorry, Just the facts from my point of view! :)


Uh, that seems more like an opinion... Facts are facts... regardless of whose point of view they're from... :)

Uh, that seems more like an opinion... Facts are facts... regardless of whose point of view they're from... :)

Hey, don't take my word for it...just read some of the earlier JVC threads, and for all the people that have had problems that also happened to mention it on this forum, from their point of view the facts are staring them in the face.

Just because you don't like what I have to say, doesn't mean I'm wrong. :p

there is dust on the wall of hanging in the air and the fan sucks it in.... bang, you have the spot. The path for the air is around the lamp, not the light engine. IOW's it's not the the optical path after the lamp. Typical big box answer. :( know of very few people that have been completely satisfied with their first D-ILA. You can go to most ANY thread on any other manufacture and fine discontent. Probably as much as here.the picture ain't all that great! As compared with what? :rolleyes:

Anyway, I saw my 2nd 'G' model. This time it was the 52" black version. As before the first thing I did was to crank the color level down to zero. NO CA and no purity again! :) Golly.

BUT , I am only hoping it is just this set, but the image was not good. It looked soft and had a fuzziness to it. I guess one could compare it to a SD image vs a DVD image. SD looked worse. I was comparing it next to a 50" LCD set that looked far better. I will refrain from naming the manufacture. :(

Not a happy camper. :mad:

And quite frankly, the picture ain't all that great! :p



I have to say, you'd take that back if you saw my set.

I step outside to smoke a cigarette while I'm watching it and marvel at how bland the world looks compared to the HD picture on this TV.

Hey, don't take my word for it...just read some of the earlier JVC threads, and for all the people that have had problems that also happened to mention it on this forum, from their point of view the facts are staring them in the face.

Just because you don't like what I have to say, doesn't mean I'm wrong. :p

Eh... actually, I neither like nor dislike what you have to say... I don't even necessarily disagree with it. I've read just about every LCOS thread in the RP forum, and indeed have seen a number of posts where someone mentions problems they have had with their JVC D-ILA.

But observations (yours or mine) about what we've seen people say on these forums, does not represent a "fact". A fact isn't something that you have to qualify by saying "from my point of view". A fact is simply a fact.

That doesn't mean observations and opinions are worthless... indeed, someone reading these forums would probably be very unwise not to take into account the reports of problems, when making his own purchasing decision. But presenting ones opinions as facts, or presenting informally observed trends as empirically derived research, doesn't really help anyone either.

we got the 52 inch dila tv

regarding the light engine swap

im also experiencing a big smudge at the center of the screen (purple color)

and now the screen is so blurry looks like the whole screen is ghosting , really hurts our eyes we can barely watch tv

the first time the techniciam came he said that he cant fix the set because he has to be assisted by a JVC technician regarding the service codes ,he said that he can try fixing it by tweaking some of the settings, i already told him that i believe the problem is regarding the light engine and he just ignored me

then im on the wait for another week for the tech to come back im wondering what hes gonna try doing to fix it...

questions

if he cant fix it again can i file a complaint about their service and demand for a full refund? (we only got the tv for 2 months from bestbuy)

i dont wanna wait forever for them to really figure out whats wrong with it and im really not satisfied with their customer service . i already spent numerous phone calls setting up appointments and confirming a lot of stuff

im wondering if i can get a full refund from JVC so i can just move on and get a different model

.That doesn't mean observations and opinions are worthless... indeed, someone reading these forums would probably be very unwise not to take into account the reports of problems, when making his own purchasing decision. But presenting ones opinions as facts, or presenting informally observed trends as empirically derived research doesn't really help anyone either.

I agree that I should qualify what I present as fact. I also agree that I Inflect a lot of opinion with what I say. What's wrong with that? ;)

The FACT that I owned two of the D-ILA's last year that both exhibited the same problems that people are suggesting they are still having with the new generation sets tell me that JVC has not fixed the problem, That a FACT!

I, along with many others have had more problems with these TV's in two months, then I have had in over ten years with my previous TV, Thats a FACT!

As far as presenting an informal trend...there is nothing informal about spending $3.5k for a product that doesn't function properly, then having to endure the aggravation of having to wait for the retailer, or the manufacturer to make it right. That just sucks! and that's a FACT!!

My point is: I paid my dues as much as the other owners of this set, and my opinion is based on personal experience, as well as personal observation, I do believe that qualifies as empirically derived research! :D

The purple spot can be fixed via light engine replacement which takes all of 30 minutes. If JVC changes the light engine 3 times, they give you the option of trading it in for a new set (like me). Who else does that? The problem will be fixed if you deal with JVC.

Chris- That's called mosquito noise, dot crawl, etc. You only see it in low lit scenes, not sure what causes it, if it's JVC specific, or if it can be calibrated out.

I've decided against any tweaking since I got the set (beyond your basic AVia/DVE) and just absorb what the set can and cannot do. Some observations so far:

If you are watching a movie using the set's speakers and something loud plays, the image actually moves/shakes (?!). It's as if the speakers are vibrating the light engine. Nothing serious, just funny and peculiar.
Color banding is one of this set's biggest problems, but I've noticed that it varies depending on the signal type/resolution. Still it's always visible.
The set has issues displaying reds, showing a CUE-like artifact. Annoying.
Lot's of noise in dark scenes; and I though I was getting away from this with DILA.
Does anyone notice how difficult a time this set has with slow pans ? It stutters as if it needed another frequency.
Finally, hot whites. They overpower the image, I'm hoping they will be slightly subdued after calibration.
Enough complaining, for the price this set puts out a VERY nice image. DVD looks amazing (component 480P) and HD looks incredible. I go to 1080i via HDMi for HD. I noticed that I get the best SD DTV quality feeding the set 480i via HDMI, the set's deinterlacer and scaler do a commendable job.
BTW, I put together my stand with care and patience and it turned out mighty sturdy. The thing wont budge if rocked. No concerns putting my TV on it.

My set has a June 2005 manufacturing date and I have zero problems so far. No smudges, no fan noise, nothing but the set doing what its supposed to. Perhaps I'm one of a lucky few but so far so good.

Do any of you have the .pdf service manual for the HD-61Z786?
Could you spare a copy?
Thanx
Rob

My point is: I paid my dues as much as the other owners of this set, and my opinion is based on personal experience, as well as personal observation, I do believe that qualifies as empirically derived research! :D

Well, sure... if what you're trying to prove is that the JVC D-ILA sets are not absolutely and completely problem-free, then it's enough research to support that claim. But it isn't enough to state that the problems are considerably more frequent than any other given model that someone may be considering... if that's what you are in fact claiming. Also, your statement that the picture quality isn't that good anyway, reflects your opinion on it, and thus affects your overall judgement about whether the set is a good purchase overall. From what I've seen, I find this set to look better than RP DLP in general, and much better than RP LCD.

I agree that I should qualify what I present as fact. I also agree that I Inflect a lot of opinion with what I say. What's wrong with that? ;)

The FACT that I owned two of the D-ILA's last year that both exhibited the same problems that people are suggesting they are still having with the new generation sets tell me that JVC has not fixed the problem, That a FACT!

I, along with many others have had more problems with these TV's in two months, then I have had in over ten years with my previous TV, Thats a FACT!

As far as presenting an informal trend...there is nothing informal about spending $3.5k for a product that doesn't function properly, then having to endure the aggravation of having to wait for the retailer, or the manufacturer to make it right. That just sucks! and that's a FACT!!

My point is: I paid my dues as much as the other owners of this set, and my opinion is based on personal experience, as well as personal observation, I do believe that qualifies as empirically derived research! :D

No one disputes these new microdisplay technologies are buggy. Look at the new Samsung 1080P DLP's, it seems as though one out of five or more doesn't even function correctly brand new out of the box, forget about problems after some amount of usage time! People still buy them, though!

Also, your statement that the picture quality isn't that good anyway, reflects your opinion on it, and thus affects your overall judgement about whether the set is a good purchase overall.

Yes, It does, and I don't believe JVC deserves my money!

I was hoping there would be a significant improvement on all the earlier issues with the next generation sets.

Now after a closer look, in my opinion I don't believe that there has.

I think it's amazing that you can still buy a Z585/Z575 with all of the problems they had, and even more amazing that some of the problems that caused JVC to replace complete light engines, have carried over to the next generation sets.

Although, I must admit at first glance the 56G786 I've seen appeared to have reduced effects of the CA/convergence issue.

If JVC was conscientious about customer satisfaction, then they would not continue to force their customers to deal with what they know is a problem right out of the box by still allowing the Z585/Z575 to be sold to unsuspecting customers. :(

My reference to: "the picture ain't all that great" comes from my direct visual comparison with a Sony 55WF655, and a Mitsubishi DLP (don't remember the model number).

The Sony appeared to have an overall more sharp, tight picture with no convergence issues, and natural looking color. The Mitsubishi had the most sharp picture of the three, but also had a funky green hue to the picture.

Now, maybe the JVC could have benefited from some more adjustment, but the edges of the objects on the screen was out of focus and any adjustment to the detail setting just made the picture grainy, and in my opinion just wasn't as well defined as Sony or the Mits. :)

I have hooked up an optical cable from the JVC optical OUT port into one of the optical IN ports on my Denon 3803...but cannot for some reason get the TV's sound to come out of my speakers.

I have turned the speaker OFF in the JVC menu and turned the optical port to ON on the Denon...so really can't figure this one out. Is there another setting on the JVC I am missing?

FYI...I am able to hook up L/R audio cables from the JVC L/R audio OUTS into one of the L/R audio INs on the Denon. No problem getting the JVC's sound thru my speakers this way. Just no luck using the optical output.

Thanks for any help / suggestions.

all of the sudden the purple spot is gone! i hope it stays that way but jvc is still gonna hear from me a lot this week. im wondering if heat has something to with it and humidity, the days i noticed it first were hot as heck and humid as you know what( mississippi summer) but today has been cooler and a lot less humid, i may be grasping at straws but it could be a possibility. we keep the ac on 76 when we are here and it auto cycles to 80 when we are gone. just a thought

.

Chris- That's called mosquito noise, dot crawl, etc. You only see it in low lit scenes, not sure what causes it, if it's JVC specific, or if it can be calibrated out.

Well thanks for reading about my problems with this set. Sad to say this is not mosquito noise its a fixed pattern. Something has to be in the path from lamp to lens causing this. I'll be calling JVC again later today to have this unit looked at for it's problems.

Thanks for your help though Kid Red,

Chris

Chris- Oh I see now. Must be dust or something.

I got my 52g Saturday morning and I am very impressed with this set. Aside from a few tweaks with the tint, color, picture and brightness, out of the box this set is awesome! I don't seem to have any issues that have been reported on this site and I'm curious to know if maybe only those who have problems actually report it on this site?

Saw my first HD broadcast on Sunday (NASCAR's Allstate 400) and all I have to say is WOW! It was like I was sitting in the stands of the Brickyard watching the race live! Very nice....

My only complaint is that the side bars on SD broadcast are gray.. I kind of like it black. But for the price and the quality of the picture I can get use to it.


Does anyone use a Harmony remote with their set? Have you noticed that switching inputs is a bit of an issue? When switching from one activity to another that requires changing inputs I've found that you often have to push the help button and reissue the input required for the activity.

The purple spot can be fixed via light engine replacement which takes all of 30 minutes. If JVC changes the light engine 3 times, they give you the option of trading it in for a new set (like me). Who else does that? The problem will be fixed if you deal with JVC.

Chris- That's called mosquito noise, dot crawl, etc. You only see it in low lit scenes, not sure what causes it, if it's JVC specific, or if it can be calibrated out.


That is the good thing about JVC and I am impressed. Who else stands behind their product with such ease. Like you said, your problem WILL be fixed and they will make it right, by pretty much any means necessary.

I got my 52g Saturday morning and I am very impressed with this set. Aside from a few tweaks with the tint, color, picture and brightness, out of the box this set is awesome! I don't seem to have any issues that have been reported on this site and I'm curious to know if maybe only those who have problems actually report it on this site?

Saw my first HD broadcast on Sunday (NASCAR's Allstate 400) and all I have to say is WOW! It was like I was sitting in the stands of the Brickyard watching the race live! Very nice....

My only complaint is that the side bars on SD broadcast are gray.. I kind of like it black. But for the price and the quality of the picture I can get use to it.


Does anyone use a Harmony remote with their set? Have you noticed that switching inputs is a bit of an issue? When switching from one activity to another that requires changing inputs I've found that you often have to push the help button and reissue the input required for the activity.

I have a Harmony and have no such issues, goes directly to the input I need it to for each activity.

I did have to adjust the power delay for awhile to get the timing right for the warm-up period.

Maybe that is what I need to do on mine... What did you set your power delay to?

... Have you noticed that switching inputs is a bit of an issue? When switching from one activity to another that requires changing inputs I've found that you often have to push the help button and reissue the input required for the activity.Sounds as if your remote has not "learned" how to change inputs on your set. this worked for me when I had this problem with a different TV model... Logon to your Logitech/Harmony home page. In the Device column (left side), click the "more options" link next to the TV device icon. On the next page, click the "Adjust Inputs" link. This will take you through a wizard that provides the remote with details of selecting inputs on your TV. Take care, the questions and required responses are not always clear. It took me a couple of times to get it right. But since, it always goes to the correct input for the activity.

No it knows the input and can change them when I go through the help... I'm think now that flinchn mentioned it... I believe the problem only occurs when I turn the system on so it must be a delay setting that is not correct. Might need to bump up the delay to give it more time to spin up before switching inputs.

No it knows the input and can change them when I go through the help... I'm think now that flinchn mentioned it... I believe the problem only occurs when I turn the system on so it must be a delay setting that is not correct. Might need to bump up the delay to give it more time to spin up before switching inputs. Yea, if it only happens on startup it is likely a timing issue. However, if after resettting the timing, you still have the problem, the wizard will probably help. On my system, the remote could change the inputs as initially setup but it could not keep synchronization so that it knew exactly how to get to the next required input. Good luck.

I watched my first football game tonight in HD. According to my set it was broadcast in 720p and the picture was out of this world! Unbelievable how clear and the details... wow!

Watching Leno right now and my set says it's being broadcast in 1080i and the picture is not as crisp with alot of grains and artifacts. The backdrop behind the desk looks terrible especially when the camera moves (pans).

OTA signal is just as strong as the football game with the signal coming it at around 94%.

What gives... I thought 1080i was better? I'm new to HD (obviously by my post) and am just trying to understand the different terms and what I should expect from my new set.

It's a different feed, so it will look different. Different cameras, different cables, etc will all affect the picture. During the football game, the inside the booth camera sucked, very dull, flat and grainy, the football field cameras however were awesome. You'll get used to the various qualities.

Okay - but how is it that all broadcasts on ABC look better at 720p than the broadcast on NBC at 1080i? Even the commercials look better at 720p than on 1080i. Do I need to do something on my set to adjust to the different resolutions? Or... is there something wrong with my set where it does not display 1080i properly?

gfoulks,

I may not answer this 100% correct, but:

All the JVC's are 720p. A 720p broadcast will not have to be altered by your tv since that is its native resolution. A 1080i broadcast will have to be down-converted (for lack of a better, more technical word) to the JVC's 720p native resolution. That can introduce some possible artifacts, etc. Similarly, a 480i or 480p signal will be upconverted by your tv to 720p.

gfoulks; what is your source? OTA or cable? If it is cable with a box, try OTA with an antenna and let us know.

So your saying that a 1080i broadcast channel will not look correct unless your set was a 1080i/p? I thought the conversion to 1080i/p was going to take awhile?

I just noticed that JVC offers extended warranties through their website, although the 52/56G's are not listed yet. Has anyone ever purchased a warranty through them?

https://merchant.satisfusion.com/sf/WarrantyCenter/registration/secure/JVC/ESPLookup.jsp

1080i is not necessarily better than 720p. This topic has been debated quite a bit on other links. But... as Kid Red points out, a lot of factors go into a broadcast, and how it is broadcast (1080i or 720p) is just one of them.

I have found, through my own experience, that 720p gives a better picture. But not in every circumstance. I think (imho) that because 1080i is an interlaced feed, that your only getting half the picture at any given point in time. Therefore, you are actually getting more lines of resolution at a given point in time with 720p. Just my own experience, an my assumed theory (and based on what others have told me). Your mileage may vary.

I also noticed last night a couple of things about the picture... I have a pixel that is stuck on green and couple of areas where it looks like shadows from pieces of dust. Does this warrant a tech visit? If so would it be best to call JVC or BB since it is still under 30 days since I purchased the set?

I watched my first football game tonight in HD. According to my set it was broadcast in 720p and the picture was out of this world! Unbelievable how clear and the details... wow!



Go Bears! This is why I bought this TV :)

gfoulks; what is your source? OTA or cable? If it is cable with a box, try OTA with an antenna and let us know.

OTA for now... until I get my HDTivo :cool: even then it'll still be OTA.

My dopey brother and I each just ordered 6178's from onecall.com I promised them not to divulge the price, but let's just say it's very competitive with TVA, and they have them in stock. They generally ship the same day if ordered by 3:00pm PDT.

They are out of Spokane, and I've used them numerous times with only great things to report. When you call ask for Dax.

I'm stoked!!!

Rick

Edit: Ooops! wrong thread...sorry.

donb1948 - Although the remotes for the new JVCs make you cycle through the inputs one at a time, you do not have to do this with the harmony remote. The harmony remote database has the codes to allow you to select the input directly with one command. I was having synchronization issues with the inputs until I realized this. Also, you need a very long delay at power up before the input command. Also, I had to increase my "repeats" setting to 5 before I got it to work with the TV very consistently. Now I have no problems - works great.

I just noticed that JVC offers extended warranties through their website, although the 52/56G's are not listed yet. Has anyone ever purchased a warranty through them?

https://merchant.satisfusion.com/sf/WarrantyCenter/registration/secure/JVC/ESPLookup.jspI have not purchased an extended warranty (52G to arrive Friday), but am interested/curious. Entering a serial number for a 52Z set, here are some of the details that came up:

Extended Support Plan
Protect yourself against the unexpected! Your JVC product was designed to be highly reliable. But an unforeseen problem may be expensive to repair, once the original warranty ends. An Extended Support Plan, offered through JVC's partner SatisFusion, gives you additional peace of mind for much less than a typical repair charge.

Basically a 2-year plan is $299, and they offer 3/4/5 year plans for 399/499/549.

ConsumerCare Plan
Coverage for Extended Support Plans offered begin on the product's purchase date and overlaps the Manufacturer's Warranty Period. By purchasing an Extended Support Plan, you will receive protection for your product for problems not covered by Manufacturer's Warranty such as power surges, normal wear and tear, and No-Lemon coverage.

Here are more specifics:

Lemon Protection

If your product requires more than 2 repairs in a 12 month period for the same problem, Consumer Care provides you with a replacement.

Surge Protection

Covers damage to the covered product that is due to power fluctuation or surge.

100% Insured

Every Support Plan we sell is underwritten by a New Hampshire Insurance Company Policy. You will always be taken care of no matter what happens.

Renewable

Coverage available for years to come.

Free Transferability

Greater re-sale value for the covered product. Product can be easily transferred if given as a gift.

Remote Control Coverage

Covers remote control repair and/or replacement not due to loss or abuse.

No Deductibles

There are no deductibles that have to be paid before the coverage kicks in. You are covered from dollar number one.

Full Parts and Labor

This Support Plan covers both parts and labor charges associated with a repair on a covered product.

Nationwide Coverage

Wherever you are in the 50 U.S. States, you’re covered. If there isn’t a network service provider in your town simply call 1-877-FIXESIT (1-877-349-3748) and we’ll find one for you.

We Replace what we can’t Fix

If the repair exceeds that cost of the product or a replacement part can’t be located we’ll provide for a replacement product for you.

Toll-Free Customer Service

If you can’t find the repair information that you are looking for On-Line, call our toll free customer service number Monday - Friday, 8am to 9pm EST.


Listed under exclusions, I was curious about lamp replacement and accidental damage, like a scratched screen from the kids. None of this appears to be covered, as here are 3 of the listed exclusions:

b. Consumable items such as but not limited to, batteries, filters, ... (read: Lamp)
n. Negligence, misuse or abuse;
u. Cosmetic defects or damage (such as cracked cases and broken hinges) or defects that do not inhibit the proper operation and performance of the covered items;

donb1948 - Although the remotes for the new JVCs make you cycle through the inputs one at a time, you do not have to do this with the harmony remote. The harmony remote database has the codes to allow you to select the input directly with one command. I was having synchronization issues with the inputs until I realized this. Also, you need a very long delay at power up before the input command. Also, I had to increase my "repeats" setting to 5 before I got it to work with the TV very consistently. Now I have no problems - works great.
where are these codes? I've been through all of the customize settings and couldn't find any direct input codes.

When you are going through the initial setup there is a time when you go through "Device Setup" for the JVC TV. One of the pages asks you how you change inputs on your TV - The page is called "Choose the way your TV changes inputs." Select "I go directly to the input I want." (Next to this option it shows a picture of a remote with a separate button for each input. This is not the case, but it doesn't matter, choose it anyway). The commands from the harmony database that are used (that correspond to JVC inputs AntennaCable, Input 1, Input 2, Input 3, Input 4, and Digital In) are 'InputTuner', 'InputVideo1', 'InputVideo2', 'InputVideo3', 'Input4', and 'InputDigitalIn'. Use this setup with these commands and you will go straight to the inputs rather than cycling through 1 at a time.

well jvc phone support guy tells me he put in a call to jvc headquarters and i should hear something in 1-2 business days that will be the 10th, i have located a service center about 20 miles away but they are not authorized for my model so jvc cant send them, i smell run around....

Luffy:

Bulb life is 6,000 hours, per this JVC FAQ. (http://www.jvc.com/support/support.jsp?pageID=1&item=411#8477)

Go here (http://www.jvcservice.com/Service/JPartInq.asp) and enter TS-CL110U and you will see the bulb costs $250.


Looks to be only $199 now...

if the jvc service is as good as the people in the forum say i will have no regrets or worries but if it is not do any of you have a suggestion?

Basically a 2-year plan is $299, and they offer 3/4/5 year plans for 399/499/549. Is that AFTER the first year? At those prices WITHOUT the bulb coverage it's questionable if it is worth it. :confused:

gfoulks,

All the JVC's are 720p. A 720p broadcast will not have to be altered by your tv since that is its native resolution. A 1080i broadcast will have to be down-converted (for lack of a better, more technical word) to the JVC's 720p native resolution. That can introduce some possible artifacts, etc.

What I'm wondering is whether the new 1080p models will display 1080i better than the 720p models and, for that matter, if the 1080p models will display 720p better than the current 720p models display 1080i. Capeesh?

Is that AFTER the first year? At those prices WITHOUT the bulb coverage it's questionable if it is worth it. :confused:Read the fine print ... basically your first year of coverage is by JVC, then the warranty company, so a 2 year is really only a 1 year extended, etc.

As someone mentioned elsewhere, buy on a VISA Platinum/Gold card and you get an extra year of warranty coverage for no cost. Or like getting another $299 off the price of your TV. :D

Any chance of getting anyone to post non stretched SD pictures from D* or cable on their newer JVC?

Curious to see pincushion and appearnce.

MAJOR HELP

the technician replaced the light engined and im experiencing a lil color shift in the screen he also taught me how to go the service menu but i forgot how to change colors from the option 1-2 ics off,self adjust , self check i only need to move the blue tone a lil bit to the left but i dont know how ... if there is someone here to help me im very thankful i think the technician is a little color blind when he was fixing it.

Any chance of getting anyone to post non stretched SD pictures from D* or cable on their newer JVC?

Curious to see pincushion and appearnce.


Sure I'll do it tonight after my chores :) Stay tuned.

GBFreek- I would, but it's really not noticeable, so any photos would not show much of anything pin cushion related. I personally think it's an optical illusion. My cable company recently went to black bars (YEA!!) and it seems to be much less bowed then when the bars were grey.

I just checked with a tape measure. The left side is perfect, top to bottom, the right side was off 1/8" in the middle compared to the top and bottom. It's an illusion. If sit on one side, the opposite side looks bowed. Switch and the opposite occurs. The set does not technically produce a pincushion.

But if you want regular photos, I'd be happy to snap some if you like.

I have a question about the guide... Why does the guide only display info on the current show and upcoming show for the channel that is currently showing? How do I get a guide that shows all available channels?

That is PSIP dependent. In my area, most PSIPs just say "DTV program" so count your blessings.

I don't even get that much.... I had a Mitts that when you pushed the guide button it would list all 13 digital channels and what the current program playing on each channel. If you scrolled to a channel and selected more info it would show the next 6 hours of programming for that channel. Then you could select a show that was coming on later and when that show started the TV would automatically turn to that station.

I'm not really looking for all of that but I would like to be able to see what is on the other stations without having to surf through each one.

any JVC with DILA set here that can help me with my problem? i just wanna ask how to move the color tone red blue green to move horrizontally and vertically using the service menu option?.. i already know how to go the service menu but i dont know how to access the RGB adjustments THNX

MAJOR HELP

the technician replaced the light engined and im experiencing a lil color shift in the screen he also taught me how to go the service menu but i forgot how to change colors from the option 1-2 ics off,self adjust , self check i only need to move the blue tone a lil bit to the left but i dont know how ... if there is someone here to help me im very thankful i think the technician is a little color blind when he was fixing it.


enter the service menu press 9 there is color alignmnet

i have called jvc again about my purple spot and the phone support guy swore to me that it is on file and jvc will be contacting me or coming to my house soon. i know something is on file because he read my address and stuff back to me without asking for it ,only my phone number
is what he asked for. so hopefully my set will get fixed soon in the meantime it is still quite watchable i watched top gun last night and did not see the spot at all, i threw in avia and its still there only smaller than before?

gfoulks:

I thing you're looking for an EPG, like TV Guide. The JVC doesn't have that- and there are threads talking about problems with the TV Guide in other units.

gfoulks- Are you using the cable card? Otherwise, you're STB should have the guide in it.

thx darth will try that right away

New Question for you guys - I have a cablecard in my 52G786, and I have lost all HD and digital channels the past 2 days now in a row. I can fix the problem by pulling out the cable card and reinserting it when powered off. Then all channels are back within a minute of turning the tv back on. Can anyone help me out by telling me what is causing this problem?

Is this a cable issue or a tv issue? It seems like the cablecard just loses connection and needs woken up by the cable company. If this is a tv issue, I want to contact JVC immediately and get this fixed. I don't want to go the STB route as I like the PQ with cablecard.

Any ideas??? I don't like crawiling behind the TV every night to pull the card. This isn't a permanent solution by any means. If it matters, the cable company is Time Warner and the cablecard is a Scientific Atlanta model.

thx darth will try that right away
the changes you make will take instantly and press the back key to get out

darth regarding the options on the color allignment , i noticed that i got extra lines on the left and right side horizontally i think i need to adjust it more

i dont know

there is horizontal and vertical adjustments as well as all rgb if i remember the display key toggles through r or b and rgb hope that helps

Any chance of getting anyone to post non stretched SD pictures from D* or cable on their newer JVC?

Curious to see pincushion and appearnce.


Note sure if these are good enough for you? So here goes...


http://photobucket.com/albums/b145/gfoulks/?action=view&current=NatesPicsandNewTV012.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/b145/gfoulks/?action=view&current=NatesPicsandNewTV011.jpg

Note sure if these are good enough for you? So here goes...


http://photobucket.com/albums/b145/gfoulks/?action=view&current=NatesPicsandNewTV012.jpg

http://photobucket.com/albums/b145/gfoulks/?action=view&current=NatesPicsandNewTV011.jpg

Thanks!! Looks real good, I agree, I dont see any pincushion there. Overall, how do you feel the SD performance on D* is?

it all depends on the channel... some are worse than others. The problem is not with the set but rather with the broadcast delivered to the set. The issue is that these nice big screens magnify the flaws in the broadcast. Personally I don't have any problems with the SD PQ.

What I'm wondering is whether the new 1080p models will display 1080i better than the 720p models and, for that matter, if the 1080p models will display 720p better than the current 720p models display 1080i. Capeesh?

1080p TVs will definitely have a better 1080i picture than 720P TVs. The reason being is that the 1080p tv has a mirror for every pixel or 1080i content while the 720p only has half the mirrors needed for 1080i content. Therefore some of the picture is lost. The quality of the 1080i picture on the TV will depend on the TV or DVD/Cable/Satellite conversion software.

I would also bet that a 1080p TV will do a better job upconverting a 720p signal than a 720p TV does downconverting a 1080i signal. The reason is in the first scenario there are no pixels lost in the upconversion, but more likely pixel doubling. In the second scenario you have double the pixels being squeezed into a display with only have the pixels able to be shown.

Don't know if any of that makes sense.

1) If looking at the screen (insanely close) I notice that the right edge of white lettering is green and the left is more reddish. I'm guessing this is a convergence issue and can it be fixed and if so by me or will I need an expert?

2) I never noticed the poor performance of the black levels in best buy or other stores, but can really see that a dark grey is the best my TV is producing. Reducing the brightness setting didn't seem to help drive the TV towards a darker black. Is there anything I can do to eak out as much black performance as possible? Once again, can I do this myself or do I need a professional?

3) I have a cable card slot, but no card in it. I thought the cable card was provided with the TV??

in regard to black level....

My eyes must be bad, I do not see anything wrong with my black levels. They look just as black as black can get on my 52g

Item 1- Not sure, I've noticed it as well. But have not worried about it because I don't sit 4 inches from the TV while I'm watching it.

Item 2- No it doesn't come with the card. This is something that you get from your cable company or maybe soon your Sat provider.

New Question for you guys - I have a cablecard in my 52G786, and I have lost all HD and digital channels the past 2 days now in a row. I can fix the problem by pulling out the cable card and reinserting it when powered off. Then all channels are back within a minute of turning the tv back on. Can anyone help me out by telling me what is causing this problem?

Is this a cable issue or a tv issue? It seems like the cablecard just loses connection and needs woken up by the cable company. If this is a tv issue, I want to contact JVC immediately and get this fixed. I don't want to go the STB route as I like the PQ with cablecard.

Any ideas??? I don't like crawiling behind the TV every night to pull the card. This isn't a permanent solution by any means. If it matters, the cable company is Time Warner and the cablecard is a Scientific Atlanta model.


Is the PQ really better with the cable card as opposed to the STB? I'm thinking about asking about it. Also, what about the TV guide? I love mine OSG and not having it may be a deal breaker.

dapercy-
1) That's called Color Aberration (CA) and can not be fixed.
2) Other then ISF which may not get the blacks to your liking, that's the best you can get besides the filter mod.
3) You need to call your cable company and ask about the availability of the cable card.

Has anyone attempted to or successfully modified a JVC swivel stand? I have the RKCILA5B (last years black stand). I want to raise the swivel part 1-2 inches so that my center channel speaker will fit on the top shelf.

gfoulks - On the black level I notice it mainly on the 23.5:1 bars when watching DVD movies. These bars used to be very black on my Sony Direct View HDTV and the same DVD player. Now the best I can get is a dark grey (if it weren't for the bars I probably wouldn't notice).

Kid Red - On the CA issue, I read last night that if the colors are off by 1 full pixel you can fix this in the service menu as there is a digital adjustment for the reds and greens so you can move them left or right across the set by a pixel or more. I'm a little concerned about messing with the service manual, but I may attempt to fix it via this route.

I tried the RGB adjustment last night and it didn't fix anything that I could see.

My bars when watching DVD's (Star Wars) look black to me. Do you have any ambient light on in the room? I never watch TV in a completely dark room so maybe this is the difference?

I'm watching the TV with the light on in the room. Granted it is a new house and it is the weak bulb that the builder put in on the vaulted ceiling 15' up.

NOTICED NEW PROBLEM THIS MORNING
The bottom right of my screen has a green tint while the bottom left has a red tint. It is especially obvious on white backgrounds, but now that I've seen it I notice it consistently. Is this a systemic problem with these sets?

dapercy- You can't fix the CA as it's not a convergence issue. You can not adjust this in the service menu. You will move the red over and it will overlap the other side. Movie the blue, it overlaps the opposite side and green does not move. My daughter has a 13" CRT and it has the same CA, just a 52" set has it slightly more pronounced. However, once this set is broken in CA is hardly visible and should be of no concern.

As for your blacks, you must have something off in your settings unless you just need absolute black as my blacks are more then livable.

I'm watching the TV with the light on in the room. Granted it is a new house and it is the weak bulb that the builder put in on the vaulted ceiling 15' up.

NOTICED NEW PROBLEM THIS MORNING
The bottom right of my screen has a green tint while the bottom left has a red tint. It is especially obvious on white backgrounds, but now that I've seen it I notice it consistently. Is this a systemic problem with these sets?

That's not good. Call JVC and take some pictures of your white screen to show these green and red areas. Tell them you have 'color fringing' in the corners.

hey gfoulks and gbfreek , the D channels that look the best to me on my set are national geographic, cartoon network, msnbc, fx, hbo fam, out of all the channels i get these look the best where as the rest are good, some better than others, tbs looks nice(dont watch it) sci fi is okay(bsg, sg) , one thing i have noticed though try a composite line instead of svideo you might like it, however with the set on theater pro and calibrated with dve/avia i like my svideo better seems sharper though there is still compression artifacting

That's not good. Call JVC and take some pictures of your white screen to show these green and red areas. Tell them you have 'color fringing' in the corners.

I called JVC this morning. I don't know if my digital camera would pick it up but it is definitely noticable on white screens/light backgrounds and my picky eye notices it on most non-dark/non-black backgrounds.

They gave me the number of a JVC rep here in town. Starting to wish I would have paid the extra to buy the set at best buy.

take the picture with your camera with the white screen. If you can see it on the white screen they will. Weird they gave you another number. When I called they called me back and asked for the pictures. Maybe they're setting up a tech visit I guess. Sounds like this may require a new light engine, if so, only about 30 minutes of tech time, free of charge. You'll be back and running in no time, don't sweat it.

hey gfoulks and gbfreek , the D channels that look the best to me on my set are national geographic, cartoon network, msnbc, fx, hbo fam, out of all the channels i get these look the best where as the rest are good, some better than others, tbs looks nice(dont watch it) sci fi is okay(bsg, sg) , one thing i have noticed though try a composite line instead of svideo you might like it, however with the set on theater pro and calibrated with dve/avia i like my svideo better seems sharper though there is still compression artifacting

I tried composite and didn't really see that much difference. I'm not worrying too much because I plan on upgrading to a HDTivo soon which should improve the video some.

well the service center jvc referred to me just called and got my serial and model and the bar code as well to get authorized for a in home light engine replacement, this is good news and fast service indeed, now i am wondering if light engine replacement will or can cause other problems like dead pixels, color fringing, or something else. does anyone have any experience with this? can it make things worse?

anytime a repair is done there is the potential for making a situation worse or creating a new problem. The good news is that your issue is logged with JVC and the tech is going to fix your set. Keep an eye on things and if it's not fixed to your satisfaction then let JVC know and have them work the issue until your satisfied.

what's going to happen to the 575?

Its being returned to BB who will then send it to JVC for a credit.

take the picture with your camera with the white screen. If you can see it on the white screen they will. Weird they gave you another number. When I called they called me back and asked for the pictures. Maybe they're setting up a tech visit I guess. Sounds like this may require a new light engine, if so, only about 30 minutes of tech time, free of charge. You'll be back and running in no time, don't sweat it.

Very good to hear! Hopefully they'll see it. The green tint is faint, but enough to where I think it shouldn't exist. I don't think there should be any off colors when you invest this much in a set, but I know I'm picky by nature. If they can fix that issue I love the TV. The black levels are doable and the picture is so much better than those wobulation DLPs (in my opinion).

Are the JVC tvs as unreliable as they seem to be from reading this thread? Has anybody actually bought one that has not had a problem right out of the box or within the first few weeks? I really like the picture of the 70" HD-ILA but I certainly do not want to spend my time swapping out TVs and/or arranging for the repair guy. There is no way I could take that much time off for work. JVC and the dealers that are doing all these swap outs and repairs also seem really patient with you. I have never had that experience with problem purchases in the past. I always get the standard answer that they do not see or hear the problem or there is nothing they can do about it.

Are the JVC tvs as unreliable as they seem to be from reading this thread? No more so than any other Microdisplay in this forum. Take a look at any other thread on any other model!

Although I have been following this forum for quite a while, this is my first post, so please be patient with me. I have an old SONY 27", which is currently in Picture-Outside-Picture Mode (the sound is gone so I am using an old second tv to produce the sound). I have been waiting to find the right set, before I make the large outlay of dollars. I travel a lot and watching HDTV store displays has become somewhat of a hobby. I had given up on the D-ILA sets after seeing the wide range of PQ and apparent problems with the 575 sets. This observation was confirmed by several of the honest B&M clerks I spoke with. However, I have seen excellent consistency with the 61Z and 56Gx86 units. From what I have learned I also believe customer returns have also diminished significantly. I really like the 56G786, which seems to fit my needs and budget. My only concern right now is whether to buy this model, or wait for the 56FH96. I would like the 1080P but am not sure it will be reliable or how well it will handle SDTV.

jfisher:

My 61Z786 has been fine right out of the box. No problems. Most people don't bother to post good results- they post problems, looking for help. Same with all products.

Yup, for most casual posters, expect a lot of posts before they buy their equipment, then either one or two posts afterwards if everything is fine or a ton of posts if there are problems.

Posting about complaints is much more interesting than posting about being satisfied. ;)

I ordered my JVC 61Z786 from TVA this week and actually got a great deal after a conversation with one of their "live help" agents.

Navychop mentioned his set was fine right out of the box. I was just wondering if there is anything that you guys who are more experienced (than me) with your TV would tell someone who is just going to be opening the box of his first HDTV next week. Any major quirks or settings you figured out through trial and error that you perhaps wish someone would have told you about ;) . I'm looking forward to playing with this thing and figuring it out but suggestions are always appreciated :D

Also, if anyone has any tips as far as using this model tv with Comcast cable and the motorola DVR 6412. I know the DVR box has output settings but I also know I have read that sometimes just because your TV is 720p it doesn't always mean you will get the best picture by setting the DVR box to 720p. I've also seen people say the picture looks better over component cables rather than hdmi in some instances. Again just looking for someone who might have had some experience with this sort of thing already - I will still try different settings and see what they do out of curiosity.

Thanks

I ordered my JVC 61Z786 from TVA this week and actually got a great deal after a conversation with one of their "live help" agents.

Navychop mentioned his set was fine right out of the box. I was just wondering if there is anything that you guys who are more experienced (than me) with your TV would tell someone who is just going to be opening the box of his first HDTV next week. Any major quirks or settings you figured out through trial and error that you perhaps wish someone would have told you about ;) . I'm looking forward to playing with this thing and figuring it out but suggestions are always appreciated :D

Also, if anyone has any tips as far as using this model tv with Comcast cable and the motorola DVR 6412. I know the DVR box has output settings but I also know I have read that sometimes just because your TV is 720p it doesn't always mean you will get the best picture by setting the DVR box to 720p. I've also seen people say the picture looks better over component cables rather than hdmi in some instances. Again just looking for someone who might have had some experience with this sort of thing already - I will still try different settings and see what they do out of curiosity.

Thanks

Navychop is right ... the HD-61Z786 right out of the box works great! I have mine hooked up to the Dishnet 811HD receiver and the HD is spectacular! Regular TV varies depending upon the station, but for the most part it's great. I am using a DVI to HDMI video connection and digital audio thru my (Pioneer) AV receiver. Even my wife loves it! I need to get an OTA connection so I can get more local HD channels. Anyone reading this please help! :)

jfisher:

My 61Z786 has been fine right out of the box. No problems. Most people don't bother to post good results- they post problems, looking for help. Same with all products.

Hey Navychop, in an earlier message you indicated that you have an OTA connection .... what antenna do you have, how high is it, and where are you located? I need to get one so I can get the NBC football games this fall. Your assistance will be greatly appreciated.

This is for HD-61Z786 owners .... has anyone had their set professionally calibrated, or used any of the calibration DVD's? I was told that these set do not require calibration. All info will be appreciated.

Are the JVC tvs as unreliable as they seem to be from reading this thread? Has anybody actually bought one that has not had a problem right out of the box or within the first few weeks? I really like the picture of the 70" HD-ILA but I certainly do not want to spend my time swapping out TVs and/or arranging for the repair guy. There is no way I could take that much time off for work. JVC and the dealers that are doing all these swap outs and repairs also seem really patient with you. I have never had that experience with problem purchases in the past. I always get the standard answer that they do not see or hear the problem or there is nothing they can do about it.


My first one was fine, but there was a slight impression on the screen, and it pressed against the inside screen creating small rainbow. I could have lived with it as you could not see it with a signal. However, I exchanged it and the exchange was perfect out of the box.

I'm considering the 52G786 - there have been a couple of posts about 1080i source not looking as good as 720p source. I'm not concerned about motion blur w/sports and stuff - basically HD broadcasts that are in 1080i. How are things looking for these sets?

I was told that these set do not require calibration. NO set NEEDS calibration, BUT if you are fussy it would help if you can't/won't do it yourself. All sets are already calibrated, but not necessarly to YOUR standards. ;)

My 52G works great right out of the box. Its going on its third week with no problems. I am not sure about fan noise, since my set sits in an enclosure built into the wall. May expirement with some accoustical tile and see how that works.

I'm considering the 52G786 - there have been a couple of posts about 1080i source not looking as good as 720p source. I'm not concerned about motion blur w/sports and stuff - basically HD broadcasts that are in 1080i. How are things looking for these sets?


You have to take to account the source, the connection, etc. My cable box allows me to 'pass' the native signal, which I do. So feeds are 1080i, some 720p. It all depends on the feed as some 720p will look better then 1080i, and vise versa. I had the Zenith and at 1080i and it looked great. So don't get the impression that the JVC has an issue with 1080i, it doesn't as far as I know.

Football, basketball, baseball all rock. There is not motion blur, that's direct view LCDs. Keep in mind, HD feeds are compressed and will pixelate during fast motion, that is the feed and will display the same on any set/techonlogy.

You have to take to account the source, the connection, etc. My cable box allows me to 'pass' the native signal, which I do. So feeds are 1080i, some 720p. It all depends on the feed as some 720p will look better then 1080i, and vise versa. I had the Zenith and at 1080i and it looked great. So don't get the impression that the JVC has an issue with 1080i, it doesn't as far as I know.

Football, basketball, baseball all rock. There is not motion blur, that's direct view LCDs. Keep in mind, HD feeds are compressed and will pixelate during fast motion, that is the feed and will display the same on any set/techonlogy.

What cable boxes let you do this? Are there some that don't?

Picked up my 52G786 from Best Buy in Duluth, GA yesterday!!! Their part number is 527BP6 (packaged with the JVC stand, but 52G786 labels were on the box and marked over with a magic marker). This store is the only one in Atlanta that has them in stock (in black). The BB warehouse in Suwanee, GA has both the 52 and 56, but the other stores haven't taken delivery for some reason.

I was up until 1 am setting it up, and I was able to see Conan O'Brien on HD. It looked incredible!! Played Pirates of the Caribbean through component on a basic Panny DVD player. It looked pretty good, with blacks that are good enough for me. I will report back with pictures and more info later.

A also bought the old DILA black stand from HHGregg for a discounted price since it is discontinued. It is model RKCILA5B.
I live in the Atlanta area (Marietta)....I'm thinking of buying a 56" or 61" JVC myself. How do you like your set after having it in place this long.???
Any insite is appreciated...........

bigstuie

My 52 Z was calibrated by an ISF that knew his way around the set. It made a big difference for my dark room.

We used HDMI for the cal, but I've switched to component and it still looks great.

Good Luck

E

How do you access the service menu..........................Thanks

senorpete:

First and most important- when you open the top cover of the box, you will see a paper saying how to lift the TV. Follow the guide, don't just pick it up any which way.

bigstuie:

I have the Channel Master StealthTenna #3010 with internal amp. This is a multidirectional (though it doesn't look it) VHF/UHF antenna that works well on top of my townhouse on a 5' pole. Two floors of the town house are above ground. For the JVC, I am using a diplexer on the satellite feed coax. I suspect I'm losing some signal this way, but I get all the channels I care to watch. I'm under the weather, but when I feel better I am going to run a direct coax as a test, to see if reception improves. See my post #707 in this thread. I have a distro amp in the attic, and I'm using it and splitters to feed various TVs etc throughout the house. Use antenna web to help you pick out what type of antenna you need. The Channel Masters are quite good. Avoid Terk.


I have used the THX optimizer at the front of many DVDs. I've also used DVE. Frankly, I recommend just using the THX optimizer. After I get a DISH MPEG-4 HD DVR (962?) and the proper service manual for this set is published, I will probably get it professionally cal'd. The PQ is great, better than I thought it would be for SD, but now I'm wondering just how much better it can be.

Gotta go get ready for Desperate Housewives in HD.

Does anybody watch the JVC in a completely dark room? I have read some posts that say that LCOS is not good for watching in the dark. Is this true? I always watch movies at night with all the lights out, makes it more like at the movies.

I need to get an OTA connection so I can get more local HD channels. Anyone reading this please help! :)

I have an LG LST-4200A receiver, and I simply love it.
I highly recommend it.

-A-

Yup, for most casual posters, expect a lot of posts before they buy their equipment, then either one or two posts afterwards if everything is fine or a ton of posts if there are problems.

Posting about complaints is much more interesting than posting about being satisfied. ;)

You are right. I've been so busy re-viewing my DVD collection and watching HD channels that I never got back to say THANK YOU ALL for the good advise. My home theater experience is amazing, no wonder movie theaters are having so much trouble bringing back folks (I did go see Star Wars and War of the Worlds).

Okay, I have the 61" JVC HD-ILA 61Z786 in a very dark room and I'm very satisfied. It's connected via cablecard to Time Warner Cable and I also have the Panasonic S97 DVD player connected to it via HDMI. The PQ is for lack of a better word BEAUTIFUL. Currently, I'm constantly bombarding TWC with emails for more HD channels! SD channels are so so depending on the source and I'm patiently waiting for the HD DVD's!

What cable boxes let you do this? Are there some that don't?


It's a Pace 550 or something. Just make sure you have your cable company's latest offering. Ask for a DVI or HDMI box and I would assume it should have an option like that, but it may very well only be on the Pace. I just don't know.

You are right. I've been so busy re-viewing my DVD collection and watching HD channels that I never got back to say THANK YOU ALL for the good advise. My home theater experience is amazing, no wonder movie theaters are having so much trouble bringing back folks (I did go see Star Wars and War of the Worlds).

Okay, I have the 61" JVC HD-ILA 61Z786 in a very dark room and I'm very satisfied. It's connected via cablecard to Time Warner Cable and I also have the Panasonic S97 DVD player connected to it via HDMI. The PQ is for lack of a better word BEAUTIFUL. Currently, I'm constantly bombarding TWC with emails for more HD channels! SD channels are so so depending on the source and I'm patiently waiting for the HD DVD's!


So Time Warner has a cable card? I have Bright House which was TW and have been thinking about the cable card. I heard the PQ is better? How is the guide? I read the JVC has it's own or something? We love the guide, so that may be a deal breaker for us. I also email and call their customer service about HD channels.

so many questions to quote each one so I'll try to recap.

Antenna- goto antennaweb.org for info on the type of antenna that'll work in your area. Don't fall for the hype that you have to have a HD antenna. There is no such thing. In fact a simple pair of rabbit ears will work in most cases. I used a pair of rabbit ears until I had the time to go out and get a UHF/VHF roof mounted antenna. I purchased a Channel Master Stealth with amp and it works great.

Calibration- I've used the THX optimizer and I've also used DVE. My set looks so much better after using DVE mainly because of the color filters that are used to set the correct color and tint on the set.

Dark room viewing- I've watched the set only briefly in a dark room but I prefer a little bit of ambient light when I'm watching TV at night. It's really hard on the eyes to watch a large screen like these in complete darkness. Personal preference.

Problems - I concur with a previous poster. You really don't see many posts in the positive because if a user is happy they generally will not post. Those who are having problems will post questions and concerns to get the problem fixed. My set is/was fine right out of the box and from what I've seen I can rest assured that if I do have a problem JVC will do everything they can get me fixed and working again.


Now my only issue - Not enough information on the use and navigation of the service menu. I would love to be able to get into the service to adjust some of the horizontal and vertical positions as well as some of the grey levels.

All in all this set rocks! and in my opinion blows all other sets out of the water!

It seems I have forgotten how to interpret the serial number info to determine the build date of a certain set. Could someone please enlighten me? I will be receiving my 61Z786 the end of the week (hopefully) and primarily out of curiosity would like to know the build date. Thanks!

Navychop - thanks for the tip on unpacking the TV. I will be sure to follow directions although I will be tempted to rip the thing open with my teeth

My 52g has a build date of June 2005

Are the JVC tvs as unreliable as they seem to be from reading this thread? Has anybody actually bought one that has not had a problem right out of the box or within the first few weeks? I really like the picture of the 70" HD-ILA but I certainly do not want to spend my time swapping out TVs and/or arranging for the repair guy. There is no way I could take that much time off for work. JVC and the dealers that are doing all these swap outs and repairs also seem really patient with you. I have never had that experience with problem purchases in the past. I always get the standard answer that they do not see or hear the problem or there is nothing they can do about it.

I bought the HD-70G886 a few months ago and have not had any problems. I am very happy with this TV - I would make the same choice if I had to do it all over again.

So Time Warner has a cable card? I have Bright House which was TW and have been thinking about the cable card. I heard the PQ is better?


Yes, TWC has cablecard. The PQ is better than the cable box. It's a scientific atlanta cablecard

How is the guide? I read the JVC has it's own or something? We love the guide, so that may be a deal breaker for us.

There is no guide with the cablecard. The JVC doesn't have a built-in guide either. In my setup I have two cablecards: one in my Sony DHG-HDD500 HD DVR and the other in my tv. The Sony provides the TV-Guide EPG. I have two cablecards so I can watch one HD show, while recording another. TWC charges $1.75 for the second cablecard. The first is included with digital cable.

I also email and call their customer service about HD channels.

Every week I send them an email about adding more HD channels.

here are a couple of the pics i sent jvc and the service shop, i hope they show what im seeing one is of the purple spot at its worst in the form of a ring or halo, the scene is from the four feathers dvd, the other is when it is most easily reproduced such as when using avia dvd it is about thumbprint size but very noticeable, when watching any kind of video source you can play find the spot in jackets, hair, etc any kind of dark or pretty dark scene, if you guys can see it jvc should be able to see it as well. please post if you see it or pm me thanks :)

Are the JVC tvs as unreliable as they seem to be from reading this thread? Has anybody actually bought one that has not had a problem right out of the box or within the first few weeks? I really like the picture of the 70" HD-ILA but I certainly do not want to spend my time swapping out TVs and/or arranging for the repair guy. There is no way I could take that much time off for work. JVC and the dealers that are doing all these swap outs and repairs also seem really patient with you. I have never had that experience with problem purchases in the past. I always get the standard answer that they do not see or hear the problem or there is nothing they can do about it.
even with the issue im having with my 52z i would buy this set again, the problem im having is tolerable but i know jvc will fix so i can deal with a repair job, i have tried to use other brands service techs before and was badly burned i.e. no returned phone calls, no answers to problems etc , with jvc these guys are calling me 2-3 times a day setting up repair times and im 4 hours to the nearest techs! ill be getting their lunch the day they come :D that is good service, worst case i get it swapped out for a Z in the meantime all i do with this set xbox, dvds, tivo all look amazing.

I just posted to the "first impressions" thread. Check there if you want to see my "first impressions." I bought from buydig.com, and of course the price dropped $150 since I ordered. :( I thought the price was good when I bought it...

I have a couple questions for those of you who have tried/are using upconverting DVD players.

I originally purchased a Toshiba SD-V593 upconverting DVD player/VCR combo. While waiting for the JVC to come, I ran across the Samsung DVD-VR325, which is also a DVD recorder AND upconverts the VCR though HDMI. So I bought the Samsung and planned to sell the Toshiba on ebay.

I had to return the Samsung because the audio kept skipping/dropping out every couple minutes when playing back a DVD. I read in these forums of another user with the same problem, so I'm sure it was an issue with this new player. Plus the DVD tray took a full 14 seconds to open, which was incredibly long. So then I hooked up the Toshiba via HDMI (for DVD playback only).

I adjusted some settings, like telling the player that my screen was 16:9 and to use progressive through the HDMI, and then when playing a DVD, when it pulled up the title screens, the TV screen kept going green and giving me very fine, short colored dots/lines on the screen, then the picture would come clear. Then if I wanted to fast forward, or go back to the main menu, the screen would go green and/or get the colored fine dots, then the screen would finally come on.

Does anyone know if this is how upconverting with HDMI works on the Toshibas? It just didn't seem right, and was very annoying. The Samsung didn't do this. I'm willing to chalk it up to user error, or not having a setting right, but I still didn't think it should behave that way (I thought I set everything the way it should have been for this JVC TV).

In the mean time, I have gone back to my Toshiba DVD player with progressive out through component, and my JVC VCR with S-Video output. The picture looks very good on my older equipment, so if it ain't broke ... I thought I would get a combo unit, but the two I tried just didn't seem to work well. (and the menu system on the Toshiba combo unit was horrible -- nothing like the stand alone Toshiba DVD player I use).

Does anyone else use an upconverting DVD player? Any problems?

darthsg

i get that little blue spot on a black screen when a very bright light is shown in a corner (such as the input or aspect menu with no feed) on my 61Z786

thought it was just the nature of the set, I don't pick it up in normal viewing, and I don't recognize anything that looks like halos like in your first picture

by the way, i watched finding nemo on my sammy 941 upconverting through component tonight (unf'nbelievable picture, I've never seen anything quite like it!)



-ps
looking at your pictures again, how high is your contrast?
On my set I keep contrast in the - midtwenties, like -24 or -25, even after knocking my b drive setting in the service menu down a bunch because the set was pushing blue like mad, causing sunlight scale whites
I find that this combination really eliminates artifacts and other imperfections in the picture, and trust me, its still bright enough

flinchn my contrast is at 0 the midpoint, i dont see the spot often during sd viewing but you catch it now and again depending on what it is, as for contrast when calibrating with avia this set clips white around 20 or so so i just keep it at 0 but even at -30 its still plenty bright and the spot is still there. as for halos you really gotta be looking for it and it seems that the issue is worse sometimes and sometimes not even there at all, sound like something might be failing in the set, its just one of the things that once you see it it drives you nuts so jvc is getting ready to fix it hopefully, nemo looks great by the way, you should try appleseed itll blow you away even not upconverting....

Just wondering if any owners of the JVC 61Z786 know the width of the box the tv was shipped in. When my set is delivered I would like to bring it in the house through a sliding glass door on my deck but it needs to fit between the railing and house to get there.

(...also haven't heard from anyone on how to determine build date.)

Thanks!

...by the way, I wasn't really planning on getting a new dvd player right away. I currently have a dvd/vcr combo SLV-D350P. It is progressive scan capable. I got this thing really cheap but I have read horrible reviews and many people have had problems with it. It has been fine for me though so I was just wondering if anyone had used this model with the JVC or if there were known issues between the two. If so - any recommendations for a DVD player that works well with the JVC? I'd rather not spend much more than $100 since I plan to get a "nice" unit down the road (either uppconverting or HD) depending on how the whole HD thing shakes out or if prices drop on the other units when HD is available.

even after knocking my b drive setting in the service menu down a bunch because the set was pushing blue like mad

flinchn,
can you point me to some info about the service menu? Mainly how to navigate it... I know how to get in.. I think my reds are pushing like crazy and I might need to adjust my grayscale a bit.

Yes, TWC has cablecard. The PQ is better than the cable box. It's a scientific atlanta cablecard



There is no guide with the cablecard. The JVC doesn't have a built-in guide either. In my setup I have two cablecards: one in my Sony DHG-HDD500 HD DVR and the other in my tv. The Sony provides the TV-Guide EPG. I have two cablecards so I can watch one HD show, while recording another. TWC charges $1.75 for the second cablecard. The first is included with digital cable.



Every week I send them an email about adding more HD channels.


Are you sure it doesn't have a guide? The JVC manual mentions a guide when using the cablecard and digital channels. If not, that blows. I hate not being able to see what coming on later.

Any idea how this affect a DVDR-HD unit?

Flinchn - Have a 52G786 here. Have you viewed "The Incredibles" yet? It looked stunning!

SenorPete - I have a Panasonic S27 progressive scan player that I bought at Fry's for about $60. It delivers a great picture. I'm on the fence about an upconverting DVD player.

It was my understanding that cable cards are one way digital and they don't support guides are anything else. They simply deliver the channel.

The JVC guide is weak (which I don't understand why) It will only show you what is currently playing on the channel your watching and what is upcoming. It can not display what are on the other channels.

Maybe a software update to the set can change this???? I don't know....

gfoulks, thanks for explaining that. That really blows as we live by that guide. If you were to describe the increase in picture quality, how great would it be? I can't imagine I'd sacrifice the guide for the picture quality increase but I am curious.

Maybe I could use a DVDR and it's free TV Guide?

The guide was not a factor for me because I'm using a HR10-250 HDTivo where guide info is provided by DirecTV. True it is a pain right now as I don't have the HR10 connected yet so not being able to tell what is on the other channels blows...

PQ? Compared to my old 32" direct view sony and my returned 52" Mitts DLP.... OUT OF THIS WORLD! I Love it! Even more after I used DVE to get the color and tint just right. My wife saw a HD program last night for the first time and she sat up in her chair and asked "what did you do?!" I told her I switched over to the HD feed and her reply... "it looks 3d! It looks like the people are real and in person!" That is a common response I get when Friends and family visit and see the set for the first time.

darthsg

by the way, i watched finding nemo on my sammy 941 upconverting through component tonight (unf'nbelievable picture, I've never seen anything quite like it!)



I didn't know the 941 would upconvert through component. I thought it required DVI/HDCP...

<snipped>... the TV screen kept going green and giving me very fine, short colored dots/lines on the screen, then the picture would come clear. Then if I wanted to fast forward, or go back to the main menu, the screen would go green and/or get the colored fine dots, then the screen would finally come on.

...<snipped>

Does anyone else use an upconverting DVD player? Any problems?


ET,

Yes, I have seen the exact symptom on my 61Z786 with a Samsung 941 and using the HDMI input. It didn't matter if I was upconvering or not. So I think its HDMI input related rather than an upconverting problem. It happened intermittently during playback of at least 2 DVDs, so I switched back to using the component inputs. I've not seen the problem at all in many DVDs using component.

I then used the DVI output of my Cox Cable box to the HDMI input of the TV. On 2 occasions I've seen a green screen for about 1 second and a return to normal. I'm not sure it was a TV problem, or a set-top box problem, or a signal problem since there was thunderstorm activity in the region. I never saw the problem when using component connections to the STB.

I haven't called JVC about the HDMI problems yet, but I will. I also have a problem with gray-scale tracking. On dark movies, and even some TV programs with dark scenes, the TV has lots of green in shadow areas. I've turned down the G Drive some to counterbalance it, but unfortunately, that also affects bright scenes as well.

So JVC will hear from me for both symptoms. I've read somewhere that the HDMI problem can be fixed via a component swap or install (maybe I read it on the JVC site, I'll have to recheck). I haven't read anything about fixing the "green in the shadows' for this TV. (I think this was called "Bias" or "Screen" adjustments on CRT direct view TVs).

Good Luck with your set. Although I've encountered problems, I'm overall pleased with the set. I still can't get over how great DVDs and HD look. And this TV is plenty bright to use in our family room with quite a few windows on 3 sides.

Ron

Are you sure it doesn't have a guide? The JVC manual mentions a guide when using the cablecard and digital channels. If not, that blows. I hate not being able to see what coming on later.

Any idea how this affect a DVDR-HD unit?

I'm very sure it doesn't have an EPG. The guide the JVC mentions is a basic channel number/name and program name you are watching. But TWC doesn't even provide that much info; only the channel number and channel name via the cablecard.

My Sony HD DVR DHG-HDD500 has it's own EPG (TV Guide) and cablecard. So it basically matches well with my JVC 61Z786 which doesn't have an EPG.

The guide was not a factor for me because I'm using a HR10-250 HDTivo where guide info is provided by DirecTV. True it is a pain right now as I don't have the HR10 connected yet so not being able to tell what is on the other channels blows...

PQ? Compared to my old 32" direct view sony and my returned 52" Mitts DLP.... OUT OF THIS WORLD! I Love it! Even more after I used DVE to get the color and tint just right. My wife saw a HD program last night for the first time and she sat up in her chair and asked "what did you do?!" I told her I switched over to the HD feed and her reply... "it looks 3d! It looks like the people are real and in person!" That is a common response I get when Friends and family visit and see the set for the first time.


Sorry, I was talking about the PQ improvements thru the cable card vs the cable box. I read the cablecard offered an improvement.

RonC and ET--
I just had a Samsung 950 connected to my JVC 56G with the identical green flashes. I assumed that Samsung has a problem with HDMI so I returned the player to the seller as defective.
esteps

ET,

Yes, I have seen the exact symptom on my 61Z786 with a Samsung 941 and using the HDMI input. It didn't matter if I was upconvering or not. So I think its HDMI input related rather than an upconverting problem. It happened intermittently during playback of at least 2 DVDs, so I switched back to using the component inputs. I've not seen the problem at all in many DVDs using component.

I then used the DVI output of my Cox Cable box to the HDMI input of the TV. On 2 occasions I've seen a green screen for about 1 second and a return to normal. I'm not sure it was a TV problem, or a set-top box problem, or a signal problem since there was thunderstorm activity in the region. I never saw the problem when using component connections to the STB.

I haven't called JVC about the HDMI problems yet, but I will. I also have a problem with gray-scale tracking. On dark movies, and even some TV programs with dark scenes, the TV has lots of green in shadow areas. I've turned down the G Drive some to counterbalance it, but unfortunately, that also affects bright scenes as well.

So JVC will hear from me for both symptoms. I've read somewhere that the HDMI problem can be fixed via a component swap or install (maybe I read it on the JVC site, I'll have to recheck). I haven't read anything about fixing the "green in the shadows' for this TV. (I think this was called "Bias" or "Screen" adjustments on CRT direct view TVs).

Good Luck with your set. Although I've encountered problems, I'm overall pleased with the set. I still can't get over how great DVDs and HD look. And this TV is plenty bright to use in our family room with quite a few windows on 3 sides.

Ron

Does anybody watch the JVC in a completely dark room? I have read some posts that say that LCOS is not good for watching in the dark. Is this true? I always watch movies at night with all the lights out, makes it more like at the movies.
Maybe because of my age (62) but it starts to strain my eyes to watch it in complete darkness. I have the 61Z786 and am sitting back about 12 feet and I begin to feel the eye strain. I know what you mean ... it's like sitting in the movies with the lights out, but even in a theater there is subtle lighting. Good luck! :)

The box is exactly 62 inches wide by 45 inches high.

Just wondering if any owners of the JVC 61Z786 know the width of the box the tv was shipped in. When my set is delivered I would like to bring it in the house through a sliding glass door on my deck but it needs to fit between the railing and house to get there.

(...also haven't heard from anyone on how to determine build date.)

Thanks!

SenorPete

The box is 62" wide X 45 " high X 21" (approx) deep. You should have no trouble getting it through a sliding door. I brought it in through a standard width fron door with no problem.

I don't know how to determine the build date. I'll check the booklet later.

darthsg

i get that little blue spot on a black screen when a very bright light is shown in a corner (such as the input or aspect menu with no feed) on my 61Z786

thought it was just the nature of the set, I don't pick it up in normal viewing, and I don't recognize anything that looks like halos like in your first picture

by the way, i watched finding nemo on my sammy 941 upconverting through component tonight (unf'nbelievable picture, I've never seen anything quite like it!)



-ps
looking at your pictures again, how high is your contrast?
On my set I keep contrast in the - midtwenties, like -24 or -25, even after knocking my b drive setting in the service menu down a bunch because the set was pushing blue like mad, causing sunlight scale whites
I find that this combination really eliminates artifacts and other imperfections in the picture, and trust me, its still bright enough

flinchn
What do you mean when you say "knocking my b drive setting in the service menu down a bunch"? Where can I find out what all that gobbledi-gook in the service menu options mean? I used option 9 to adjust the RGB alignment, but nothing else. I too have turned my brightness to -20, the blacks are better.
Any help will be appreciated.

Service Menu
Press the sleep button, when the tv is reading Sleep:00, press the video status and the display button simultaneously.

Select option 1 Adjustment in the service menu. The only registers I have found of any use are S030-S032 (pressing down to switch registers, right and left to adjust), which are the color drive settings - I adjusted them using avia's color decoder chart screen. Press the mute button to saveyour changes and then back to back out of the service menu.

Note that I used standard mode to do this, so that and game mode (which are pretty close to the same) are what I adjust, one each for HD and DVD. Theater mode now is yellowish (i don't use it) but whites are now neutral, not blinding, and grays on the other two modes are perfect and blacks much much improved since I got the set.

Here are my settings:


S030: R Drive:121
S031 G Drive:126
S032 B Drive:75


Game Mode: (HDMI>DVI HD Comcast Box)
Tint +3
Color -6
Picture -26
Brightness +8
Sharpness -10
Color Temp: High
NR: High
Dynamic Gamma: Off
Color Management: Off
Smart Picture: Off

Standard Mode: (component upconverting sammy 941 using HDCP remote hack)
Tint +3
Color +5
Picture -20
Brightness +5
Sharpness 0
Color Temp: High

NR: High
Dynamic Gamma: Off
Color Management: Off
Smart Picture: Off

SenorPete


I don't know how to determine the build date. I'll check the booklet later.


its on the back of the set with the serial and model number

i like to watch in the dark as well, but eyestrain suck too, i mix it up
backlighting this set is beautiful to look at and easy on the eyes, plus i have a 55gallon cichlid tank in the same room

what did you use to backlight with? Did you use DVE's backlight test pattern?

Service Menu
Press the sleep button, when the tv is reading Sleep:00, press the video status and the display button simultaneously.

Select option 1 Adjustment in the service menu. The only registers I have found of any use are S030-S032 (pressing down to switch registers, right and left to adjust), which are the color drive settings - I adjusted them using avia's color decoder chart screen. Press the mute button to saveyour changes and then back to back out of the service menu.

Note that I used standard mode to do this, so that and game mode (which are pretty close to the same) are what I adjust, one each for HD and DVD. Theater mode now is yellowish (i don't use it) but whites are now neutral, not blinding, and grays on the other two modes are perfect and blacks much much improved since I got the set.

Here are my settings:


S030: R Drive:121
S031 G Drive:126
S032 B Drive:75


Game Mode: (HDMI>DVI HD Comcast Box)
Tint +3
Color -6
Picture -26
Brightness +8
Sharpness -10
Color Temp: High
NR: High
Dynamic Gamma: Off
Color Management: Off
Smart Picture: Off

Standard Mode: (component upconverting sammy 941 using HDCP remote hack)
Tint +3
Color +5
Picture -20
Brightness +5
Sharpness 0
Color Temp: High

NR: High
Dynamic Gamma: Off
Color Management: Off
Smart Picture: Off

I can see why your blue drive was knocked down, your Color Temp set to High. When you set color temp high, it's introduces a ton of blue. If you turn that to Low, you can put your blue drive back to match the rest.

I can't wait to get home tonight so that I can make these changes to the drives. My reds are just a bit to intense for my taste... Hopefully I can turn them down using the above service menu changes. Thanks flinchn!

If anyone else has any other service menu tweaks please share them with the group...

I'm still looking for a horizontal and vertical service menu adjustment. The position option in the user menu doesn't do anything for me.

I can see why your blue drive was knocked down, your Color Temp set to High. When you set color temp high, it's introduces a ton of blue. If you turn that to Low, you can put your blue drive back to match the rest.

tried that already, I think the whites are more neutral like I have them

I can't wait to get home tonight so that I can make these changes to the drives. My reds are just a bit to intense for my taste... Hopefully I can turn them down using the above service menu changes. Thanks flinchn!

If anyone else has any other service menu tweaks please share them with the group...

I'm still looking for a horizontal and vertical service menu adjustment. The position option in the user menu doesn't do anything for me.

I need to move my whole screen down about 1/2 inch. Evertyme I watch something in letterbox the top of the black is much closer than the bottom part. I get tired of manually going to the move screen adjustment everytime. Also needs to go over 1/4 inch to the right as well.

I need to move my whole screen down about 1/2 inch. Evertyme I watch something in letterbox the top of the black is much closer than the bottom part. I get tired of manually going to the move screen adjustment everytime. Also needs to go over 1/4 inch to the right as well.


in the rgb convergence adjustment in the service meny you can move all three (the whole picture), if I'm not mistaken

I'll have to check that out tonight.

I need to move my whole screen down about 1/2 inch. Evertyme I watch something in letterbox the top of the black is much closer than the bottom part. I get tired of manually going to the move screen adjustment everytime. Also needs to go over 1/4 inch to the right as well.


That's in the regular menu, by the parental channel controls. Screen Adjustment I think it's called.

tried that already, I think the whites are more neutral like I have them


Not to argue, but color temp adds blue and then you turn down the blue drive. Your just canceling out the added blue from the Color Temp change.

Leaving color temp on Low and adjusting from there, actually, adding a tad of blue and dropping the red a tad has made my greys pretty damn neutral.

what did you use to backlight with? Did you use DVE's backlight test pattern?
to be honest i threw a desk lamp with a warm bulb back there just to get a feel for the effect and now i plan to get a d65k flourescent of some type

That's in the regular menu, by the parental channel controls. Screen Adjustment I think it's called.

that option doesn't much for me... it'll allow to move the vertical a couple pixels up or down and that's it. It won't let me move in the horizontal at all!

to be honest i threw a desk lamp with a warm bulb back there just to get a feel for the effect and now i plan to get a d65k flourescent of some type

my only problem is that I added a floating corner shelf behind my set for my center channel and if I had a light it'll throw a shadow up the wall that I'm sure would be rather distracting.

that option doesn't much for me... it'll allow to move the vertical a couple pixels up or down and that's it. It won't let me move in the horizontal at all!


Correct. The option I mentioned is for only up and down. You need to go into the service menu to move the image sideways.

You can get a small powered tube light, 10 watts or or less. Idealume makes some good ones. You can buy one at Home Depot, but they are pretty bright. You'd want one that has ND filters to wrap around it to make it darker, or a dimmer to adjust it.

http://www.cinemaquestinc.com/

Not to argue, but color temp adds blue and then you turn down the blue drive. Your just canceling out the added blue from the Color Temp change.

Leaving color temp on Low and adjusting from there, actually, adding a tad of blue and dropping the red a tad has made my greys pretty damn neutral.

well we all have to do what we think is best viewing, theater mode's whites were too red for my tastes out of the box

also, this way allows me two video status modes to adjust for two separate hd inputs, since standard and game are pretty much the same

my only problem is that I added a floating corner shelf behind my set for my center channel and if I had a light it'll throw a shadow up the wall that I'm sure would be rather distracting.


you could try a shade of sorts as well, try to flood the wall not the back of the set, i dont think the shadow would be that distracting if its the only light on, and the "better" blacks is a great tradeoff, i have seen shades that send the light out the sides and not up or down kinda like a bowtie, im thinking paper towel roll over a flo tube? on the cheap but hidden, me personally the wall behind my set is need of a repair job i have to re sand a joint a carpenter screwed up so with any light back there you see all the imperfections in the wall,....slowly but surely it will all come together

You can get a small powered tube light, 10 watts or or less. Idealume makes some good ones. You can buy one at Home Depot, but they are pretty bright. You'd want one that has ND filters to wrap around it to make it darker, or a dimmer to adjust it.

http://www.cinemaquestinc.com/
i think id go with a dimmer for the sake of the old lady,

i havent heard anything from jvc since i sent pictures, maybe the next call will be for appointments to repair, i just watched sin city and the blacklevel is great in my opinion except for the purple spot rearing its head every now and again, quite the excellent film imho, i likes em violent... :D

bigstuie - Thank you so much for those box dimensions! I wasn't worried about it fitting through the sliding door but fitting through the entrance to my deck (up one step between railing and house) Looks like I'm golden!

darthrsg - I wasn't aware they actually printed the build date right right on the back with the other stuff. I thought you had to "interpret" the date by using the serial # or something like that, so thats why I asked. Glad to hear it'll be right there.


Well if all goes according to schedule my 61Z786 will be delivered on Friday. Spent most of the day getting the room prepared and my connections ready to go. Had to get help moving the ole' 36" sony trinitron into another room (what a beast! :eek: ) When I finally build my bar in the basement it will make a nice addition.

Stopped in a store on my way to work to pick up an optical cable and noticed the "special edition" version of "The Doors" movie w/ Val Kilmer for $7.50 so I picked it up. Looking at it now I can see why it was in the bargain section - its wide screen BUT not anamorphic widescreen.
So does that mean it will be in a box on my new widescreen? Can you guys help me out and explain what a non-anamorphic DVD will look like compared to an anamorphic transfer on a widescreen set. Obviously it won't be as good but are these films watchable and enjoyable or do you find yourselves insisting on only watching proper film transfers? :confused:

well we all have to do what we think is best viewing, theater mode's whites were too red for my tastes out of the box

also, this way allows me two video status modes to adjust for two separate hd inputs, since standard and game are pretty much the same

Theatre mode is what you want to set it to, so it may be too yellow out of the box. In general, color temp low, and everything else set to off. Then you calibrate brightness and picture because color and tint will hover right around zero. You'll have to do your own settings for theater, standard, dynamic and game, don't rely on the factory settings.

I switch from Standard with regular TV and HD to theater for DVD which I calibrated both. DVD tends to be a tad darker and slightly less tint. Anyways, just wanted to throw that out there.

Theatre mode is what you want to set it to, so it may be too yellow out of the box. In general, color temp low, and everything else set to off. Then you calibrate brightness and picture because color and tint will hover right around zero. You'll have to do your own settings for theater, standard, dynamic and game, don't rely on the factory settings.

I switch from Standard with regular TV and HD to theater for DVD which I calibrated both. DVD tends to be a tad darker and slightly less tint. Anyways, just wanted to throw that out there.
i agree once calibrated theater looks kick ass on sd dvd or games, i use it all the time for all viewing, i will adjust the detail from time to time but color tint bright and picture stay put... my 2 cents

darthrsg - I wasn't aware they actually printed the build date right right on the back with the other stuff. I thought you had to "interpret" the date by using the serial # or something like that, so thats why I asked. Glad to hear it'll be right there.


:


you can interpret the date with some formula in these jvc forums, but on my set its right on the serial number label on the back by the exhaust vent, it has the month and year but not the day

I just bought a HD52G886 at my local hhgregg for what I think was a fantastic price (pm for details :D). Delivery is scheduled for tomorrow.

Been reading this thread for about two weeks. Thanks to all for the great information you provide. Reading about JVC's service in this thread was a nice selling point for me.

Now what would you suggest for a first time HDTV owner? Any favorite movies that really show off the set?

I am going to be connecting my HTPC with DVI to HDMI using Media Player Classic/ DScaler & FFDShow for dvd playback. Next step is to call the local cable company and get their HD package.

Jeff

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I am going to be connecting my HTPC with DVI to HDMI using Media Player Classic/ DScaler & FFDShow for dvd playback. Next step is to call the local cable company and get their HD package.

Jeff[/QUOTE]

Congratulations! I am just about to give in an purchase an RPTV too. I have narrowed down my choices to the Sony A10s and the JVC. I definitely think HTPC is the way to go if you want to view upscaled DVDs, backup content, play games, etc...... Let us know how the JVC performs with the HTPC.

Service Menu
Press the sleep button, when the tv is reading Sleep:00, press the video status and the display button simultaneously.

Select option 1 Adjustment in the service menu. The only registers I have found of any use are S030-S032 (pressing down to switch registers, right and left to adjust), which are the color drive settings - I adjusted them using avia's color decoder chart screen. Press the mute button to saveyour changes and then back to back out of the service menu.

Note that I used standard mode to do this, so that and game mode (which are pretty close to the same) are what I adjust, one each for HD and DVD. Theater mode now is yellowish (i don't use it) but whites are now neutral, not blinding, and grays on the other two modes are perfect and blacks much much improved since I got the set.

Here are my settings:


S030: R Drive:121
S031 G Drive:126
S032 B Drive:75


Game Mode: (HDMI>DVI HD Comcast Box)
Tint +3
Color -6
Picture -26
Brightness +8
Sharpness -10
Color Temp: High
NR: High
Dynamic Gamma: Off
Color Management: Off
Smart Picture: Off

Standard Mode: (component upconverting sammy 941 using HDCP remote hack)
Tint +3
Color +5
Picture -20
Brightness +5
Sharpness 0
Color Temp: High

NR: High
Dynamic Gamma: Off
Color Management: Off
Smart Picture: Off

flinchn
thanks for this post... I was able to access the service menu tonight and made some changes.

The R G and B Drive seem to only change the color of white on the screen... Or am I missing something?

The RGB adjust (option 9) does in fact allow you to move the entire screen so I was able to center the screen perfectly using the DVE geometry test pattern.

How can one reset to factor any service menu changes? Though the changes I made to the R G B drives improved the overall look. I think I made to large of a change.... One thing I did notice is that after my changes to the drive I was able to see all three lines in the pluge test where as before I could only see the two inner lines. This means I was able to improve my blacks even more!

gfoulks- Once you've saved your changes, the only thing you can do is change them back manually. I hope you wrote them down before making any changes.

No i did not but I can run down to the local BB and jump into the service menu of the floor model and see what they are... unless someone here has an unmodified R G B drive and is willing to share the values ;-)

SenorPete

You're gunna luv it! What are hooking to, cable, sattelite, whose? Good Luck!

No i did not but I can run down to the local BB and jump into the service menu of the floor model and see what they are... unless someone here has an unmodified R G B drive and is willing to share the values ;-)
i wrote mine down before tweaking,
r 116
g 128
b 122

after calibration
all set 120

NICE! Thanks, darthrsg

SenorPete

You're gunna luv it! What are hooking to, cable, sattelite, whose? Good Luck!

I will be using Comcast cable with the motorola 6412 DVR box. I have a DVI to HDMI cable on the way but will use component if it doesn't arrive in time. My DVD player is a cheapie Sony DVD/VHS combo (slv-D350P) but it is progressive.

I am all set up just waiting for the TV! Unfortunately, I am starting to think I may not get it tomorrow. Last night I called Seko (moving company) to ask about the status and the guy gave me the phone # for the Philly office and said the TV was scheduled to arrive there on Thursday. I called the Philly office and the guy who answered gave me a guy named "Jay"'s voicmail and said to leave a message. A left a message stating my name and order # and to give me a call when he gets a chance on Thursday to set up delivery time. 2pm today I never got a call so I called back and spoke to Jay. He said he hadn't listened to his voicemail yet but that once everything was processed someone would call me to set up delivery time for tomorrow (Friday). Well it is just about 6pm and no phone call. I had hoped to know a time frame for the delivery so I can arrange for someone to be there if I can't be. I don't go into work until 4pm tomorrow so I 'll be around during the day but if its later I need someone to be there.

Anyway the guy was really nice and I hope everything goes well but it would have been nice if someone called.

has anyone who has had their set serviced had to wait a week without hearing anything? up until this week i was getting returned calls, requests for pictures, etc, now i havent heard a thing, should i bother the techs?, i have his phone number and extension and email as well as the contact info for the actual repair shop, but i know this stuff takes time but i feel i should have heard something by now

darthrsg- It could be that your local tech is waiting for JVC to chip them the part. Once they have the part they should set up an appointment. For me there may have been a lag, but I was aware of it. However, if you were not told, wait a week, we'll call you, etc then I would definitely call them to check the progress.

thanks red. they will get a call friday, i suspect that im 3 hours away from the tech is an issue as well, btw did you check those pics i posted of the purple spot?

I'm having a problem and I'm not sure if its my HTPC or my DVI/HDMI cable or my 61Z786.

Anyway I'm trying to connect a PC to my new 61Z786 via a ATI 9800 Pro (not an AIW). I set my 9800 to force 720P on the DVI port. I get a brief image on the 61Z786 then both my VGA monitor I have hooked up and the 61Z786 go blank for a second then both turn back on for a couple of seconds. This process keep repeating off then on, off then on. Once I yank the DVI cable off the video card my VGA stabilizes. If I only have the DVI/HDMI cable in it start flashing again. On the computer it detects the TV and shows its name but I can’t get a stable image while it is connected to the PC.

I have different video card that can do HDTV Component (Y/Pr/Pb) and it works okay, but I get a lot of black borders. I'd like to watch a digital signal if possible.

So any ideas where the problem is?

Thanks

I am having the exact same problem.

JVC HD52G886 tv (52")
Build Date: June 2005

Video Card: Radeon 9600 XT
Driver: Catalyst 5.4 with control center
Powerstrip: No
Input: DVI-HDMI

Cable Type: Belkin Pure AV HDMI-to-DVI Video Cable.

If you don't mind replying, if the HDMI input is working for you, what kind of cable
do you have, Monster, Belkin or another?

Which input on the card did you use? The XT has one VGA connector and one HDMI connector. On the XT I used the single HDMI obviously.

Do you have the 52", 56" or 61" ? Are the guts of the 3 models the same?

I have tried Catalyst version 5.7, 5.8 (the latest) and now 5.4, which someone was using successfully.

btw, I love the picture already and I have not even run Avia yet... :-)

Thank you,
Jeff Hunter

I am having the exact same problem.

JVC HD52G886 tv (52")
Build Date: June 2005

Video Card: Radeon 9600 XT
Driver: Catalyst 5.4 with control center
Powerstrip: No
Input: DVI-HDMI

Cable Type: Belkin Pure AV HDMI-to-DVI Video Cable.

If you don't mind replying, if the HDMI input is working for you, what kind of cable
do you have, Monster, Belkin or another?

Which input on the card did you use? The XT has one VGA connector and one HDMI connector. On the XT I used the single HDMI obviously.

Do you have the 52", 56" or 61" ? Are the guts of the 3 models the same?

I have tried Catalyst version 5.7, 5.8 (the latest) and now 5.4, which someone was using successfully.

btw, I love the picture already and I have not even run Avia yet... :-)

Thank you,
Jeff Hunter

I hate to say it but I think something is different with the HDMI input with the 786. I had the 575 working with DVI to HDMI, now I cant get the new 786 to accept the signal but for brief flashes sometimes lasting for a second or so. I also noticed my computer slows to a crawl. A quick check of system resources shows an ati2evxxexe. to be pulsing from 0 to 50% of my CPU corresponding with the brief flashes of picture on my 786. I have tried another computer moniter and it works fine. I even tried my other tower same results with my 786 but it too work with the 2 computer moniters. I have tried drivers from ATI, Omega, and 3dConnect. I hate to settle for the VGA connect. I have one last thing I can think of to try, a different brand of video card. I have tried every possible resolution and freq.

dell 8250
3 ghz
1.5 gig ram
new ATI x800 pe


dell 9150
3 ghz
1 gig ram
ATI x600


HD-61z786
June build 2005
DVI to HDMI from BestBuy $149

i emailed the jvc rep and he replied

"The symptoms indicate the OP/DR (optical drive assembly) needs to replaced, the service center () has been given the authorization to order the part."


is that the light engine? so i assume as soon as the techs get the part they will schedule the trip to repair my unit. this is good news. i only hope that this will fix my set and cause no more issues in the aftermath of repair. another question what type of cloth should i use to clean my screen, i have been dusting it with swiffers but my lovely dog shook some drool onto the screen yesterday and i am reluctant to use something that will scratch it, i just want to use a little water and the right cloth. any suggestions?"

I've been enjoying my 52G786 for a week. I have a couple of questions.

I tried connecting my Sony miniDV camcorder (PC330) via a 4-pin to 4-pin firewire (IEEE1394) cable, and the TV did not recognize the camcorder. Anyone know if it is possible for a firewire camcorder to output video to the JVC TV? The camcorder outputs audio/video via firewire just fine to my iMac, so the issue has to be with the TV. I just want to watch the camcorder on the TV. Guess I will have to use the S-Video if the FireWire does not work (but firewire is all digital, I think).

I receive my HD over the air. Is it possible to record a high definition program by outputting from the TV going in to an S-Video VCR? Or does the TV not output High Definition via the S-Video output? I understand the recording may not be in high definition, but if I could just record the program to VHS tape to show back on any TV, that is what I want to do.

I've been enjoying my 52G786 for a week. I have a couple of questions.

I tried connecting my Sony miniDV camcorder (PC330) via a 4-pin to 4-pin firewire (IEEE1394) cable, and the TV did not recognize the camcorder. Anyone know if it is possible for a firewire camcorder to output video to the JVC TV? The camcorder outputs audio/video via firewire just fine to my iMac, so the issue has to be with the TV. I just want to watch the camcorder on the TV. Guess I will have to use the S-Video if the FireWire does not work (but firewire is all digital, I think).

The manual says the iLink only works with JVC products, so my guess is that is it. I know, thanks JVC! :rolleyes:

I've been following the directions for accessing the service menu on my 56" G (press "sleep," then when it reads "0" press "display" and "video status" buttons simultaneously) - but I have had zero luck. Is there something obvious I've overlooked? Special JVC incantation perhaps? Thanks.

I hate to say it but I think something is different with the HDMI input with the 786. I had the 575 working with DVI to HDMI, now I cant get the new 786 to accept the signal but for brief flashes sometimes lasting for a second or so. I also noticed my computer slows to a crawl. A quick check of system resources shows an ati2evxxexe. to be pulsing from 0 to 50% of my CPU corresponding with the brief flashes of picture on my 786. I have tried another computer moniter and it works fine. I even tried my other tower same results with my 786 but it too work with the 2 computer moniters. I have tried drivers from ATI, Omega, and 3dConnect. I hate to settle for the VGA connect. I have one last thing I can think of to try, a different brand of video card. I have tried every possible resolution and freq.

dell 8250
3 ghz
1.5 gig ram
new ATI x800 pe


dell 9150
3 ghz
1 gig ram
ATI x600


HD-61z786
June build 2005
DVI to HDMI from BestBuy $149


Well, tonight I replicated what you saw above. :(
I could set the resolution with powerstrip and see the picture for about a sec before it went blank. System response was also slow.

If anyone is able to get the new G Series to work with a PC using the HDMI input please pipe up... :)

At this moment, I am agreeing with Drycreek that this just does not work, and my configuration or lack thereof is not the problem.

I think we are up a creek... (Sorry)

I believe all the earlier success posts are from Z series owners. Is that correct?

Right now I am considering exchanging for the Sony A10. I love the TV, if you have gotten this to work, please post a few details.

Thank You

I've been following the directions for accessing the service menu on my 56" G (press "sleep," then when it reads "0" press "display" and "video status" buttons simultaneously) - but I have had zero luck. Is there something obvious I've overlooked? Special JVC incantation perhaps? Thanks.


switches on remote to the left :cool:

The manual says the iLink only works with JVC products, so my guess is that is it. I know, thanks JVC! :rolleyes:Ah, I just re-read the fine print. Not only that, the only JVC devices that will work are a D-VHS deck or a HD-Camcorder. Interesting how they first talk about the iLink standard in the manual like they support it, but then they exclude all other brands. So much for standards. :mad:

SenorPete .....

Did the set arrive? If so .. how do you like it?

Well, tonight I replicated what you saw above. :(
I could set the resolution with powerstrip and see the picture for about a sec before it went blank. System response was also slow.

If anyone is able to get the new G Series to work with a PC using the HDMI input please pipe up... :)

At this moment, I am agreeing with Drycreek that this just does not work, and my configuration or lack thereof is not the problem.

I think we are up a creek... (Sorry)

I believe all the earlier success posts are from Z series owners. Is that correct?

Right now I am considering exchanging for the Sony A10. I love the TV, if you have gotten this to work, please post a few details.

Thank You

Well, bad news for ATI cards. I borrowed my friends computer and to my suprise his video card (Nvidia Geforce 5600 FX) displays great computer image, no feezing, no CPU resources going through the roof, but now a great looking 61 JVC DILA computer moniter. Now I must place a call to ATI to see if they know whats up with either of my cards (X800PE, X600).

I've been enjoying my 52G786 for a week. I have a couple of questions.

I tried connecting my Sony miniDV camcorder (PC330) via a 4-pin to 4-pin firewire (IEEE1394) cable, and the TV did not recognize the camcorder. Anyone know if it is possible for a firewire camcorder to output video to the JVC TV? The camcorder outputs audio/video via firewire just fine to my iMac, so the issue has to be with the TV. I just want to watch the camcorder on the TV. Guess I will have to use the S-Video if the FireWire does not work (but firewire is all digital, I think).

I receive my HD over the air. Is it possible to record a high definition program by outputting from the TV going in to an S-Video VCR? Or does the TV not output High Definition via the S-Video output? I understand the recording may not be in high definition, but if I could just record the program to VHS tape to show back on any TV, that is what I want to do.

Some cable boxes do not output 16:9 via S-Video, you'd have to test. You can only then record at 420p (I think). So depending on your box, you may or may not be able to record the down converted HD.

Hey anyone test their G series with Component vs HDMI for HD/SD? I have component running now, but I've been contemplating the HDMI cable. However, I'm not sure if HDMI is better then component. Anyone done it both ways?

Hey anyone test their G series with Component vs HDMI for HD/SD? I have component running now, but I've been contemplating the HDMI cable. However, I'm not sure if HDMI is better then component. Anyone done it both ways?

I do DVI/HDMI and Component from my Dishnet 811 HD Receiver, each one into it's own input on the TV (HD-61Z786). I can not tell the difference, although they say the DVI is the better one. When watching an HD program, it's spectacular with either connection. I paid $100 bucks for the DVI/HDMI cable and I don't think it was worth it. It will be interesting to hear other comments.

Ok, so one vote for no difference. Anyone else try both component vs DVI/HDMI?

I just got my HD Cable hooked up yesterday so I'll do the same test today.

The cable is hooked up via component right now and the picture just makes me
sit there and grin at it... :)

Drycreek,

Thanks for trying a Nvidia card. Now I have to decide if I like the JVC enough to buy a new
Nvidia video card or switch to the Sony A10.

bigstuie - No TV yet :( should be coming today


Kid Red - when the set comes I will be trying DVI to HDMI & component. I bought a cable for less than $30 delivered. I read an article somewhere that most of these high priced cables are a rip-off and the cheap ones work just as well.

I also recorded a program on my comcast DVR box from INHD called toolbox. Anyone familiar with this? It is approx 12 minutes long and shows a bunch of test patterns and explains to you how to set up levels on your TV. Pretty cool stuff!

SenorPete- Cool, keep us posted. I've head of Toolbox but have yet to catch it.

Ok, so one vote for no difference. Anyone else try both component vs DVI/HDMI?Make that two votes no difference.

I connected a Samsung VR325 DVD player/recorder through HDMI to my JVC TV. It looked good. But that Samsung had an audio problem on playback, so I returned it. Now I have my Toshiba DVD player hooked up via component, progressive output, and it looks equally as good. For the money, I'm glad the Samsung HDMI player had a problem as I can't tell a difference with the component.

Has anyone noticed that when you remove the JVC from power (I have the 52G786), all of the settings return to default? Would a back-up battery prevent this, even if the power goes out?

Anyone know if the HDILA's put out OTA->antenna input->HD over their firewire port if you have a DVHS deck connected?

BB

Ok, I hooked up the cable box via DVI Output but I get no signal. I guess I need to call the cable company and see if the DVI port is active...

Hey anyone test their G series with Component vs HDMI for HD/SD? I have component running now, but I've been contemplating the HDMI cable. However, I'm not sure if HDMI is better then component. Anyone done it both ways?

Well, I tested my 61Z786 using both component and DVI/HDMI from our Scientific Atlanta Explorer 3250HD set-top box. I see no difference.

Buuuuuttt...when I used the HDMI input from my Samsung HD941 upconverting DVD at 720p, the picture was a wee bit sharper thru HDMI than component; however, the color was WAY off. I had green push/shadows out the gazoo.

I experimented further. The same thing happens using 480p out of the same DVD player using component. Using 480i and, crazy!!, no more green shift/shadows. You tell me???? I reproduced this 480p/480i symptom using a Toshiba DVD player thru component also, so, it is definitely the JVC TV.

So for right now I'm using the DVI/HDMI hookup for the STB and 480i component for the DVD, and it's watchable. It ain't right though!

More fodder for my warranty call to JVC!

RonC

RonC--have you read the DVD Player section of the AVSforum about the HD941? There are numerous complaints of green flashes from the 941 thru HDMI.
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QUOTE=RonC]Well, I tested my 61Z786 using both component and DVI/HDMI from our Scientific Atlanta Explorer 3250HD set-top box. I see no difference.

Buuuuuttt...when I used the HDMI input from my Samsung HD941 upconverting DVD at 720p, the picture was a wee bit sharper thru HDMI than component; however, the color was WAY off. I had green push/shadows out the gazoo.

I experimented further. The same thing happens using 480p out of the same DVD player using component. Using 480i and, crazy!!, no more green shift/shadows. You tell me???? I reproduced this 480p/480i symptom using a Toshiba DVD player thru component also, so, it is definitely the JVC TV.

So for right now I'm using the DVI/HDMI hookup for the STB and 480i component for the DVD, and it's watchable. It ain't right though!

More fodder for my warranty call to JVC!

RonC[/QUOTE]

Silly easy question that I remembered reading *somewhere*, but after an hour of searching, thought it'd be easier to ask again.

How much space do you need to leave beside/behind/above the TV for proper cooling? Is it just "one area" of fans (where I could cut the back out of a hutch type cabinet) or is it all over?

For the 61Z786 (which I'm about to order for my husband), I'm looking at a console/hutch where the hutch part is 15"Deep (so it won't be completely covered on either side - the actual console it sits on is 22 3/4" D) x 49 1/2" H (just the TV area) and 62" wide. I know it will "fit", but am worried about leaving enough area for ventilation. Thanks.

I have a 52g786 and see no difference between component and hdmi. Actually I seem to perfer the component for my sa8300 as I often get a grey screen of death on hdmi when changing channels (loss of sync???) When it does not freeze, I often get a audio 'pop' when changing channels. All this disappears when using component.

JVC Friends.....

I noticed last night after getting up close and personal with my 52g (dusting it off) that I can see what appears to be some shadows in front of some pixels. Almost like something is lying front of the light path for each of the pixels. Some cover maybe just a portion of a pixel others cover a portion of two or three pixels.

from normal viewing distance you can't even see it.... Is this something that I should have looked at? It's still under the thirty day exchange with BB.. should I contact them first to service or go directly to JVC?

Thanks,
Greg

BTW- Have I mentioned recently how much this set ROCKS!

gfoulks- Those pixels are so small, I can't imagine something sitting in front of each one, theoretically impossible. Can you maybe take a picture of it? JVC will probably ask you to anyways if you contact them.

Ok, so, few more votes that HD/SD over HDMI offers no improvement over component? Disappointing. I've heard the cable card offers a big difference, but I don't want to lose my guide.

btw- I got the free stand with the JVC and don't need it. If anyone in Orlando needs/wants it PM me. It's too heavy to ship.

Silly easy question that I remembered reading *somewhere*, but after an hour of searching, thought it'd be easier to ask again.

How much space do you need to leave beside/behind/above the TV for proper cooling? Is it just "one area" of fans (where I could cut the back out of a hutch type cabinet) or is it all over?

For the 61Z786 (which I'm about to order for my husband), I'm looking at a console/hutch where the hutch part is 15"Deep (so it won't be completely covered on either side - the actual console it sits on is 22 3/4" D) x 49 1/2" H (just the TV area) and 62" wide. I know it will "fit", but am worried about leaving enough area for ventilation. Thanks.

I believe it was 5" from the rear, side didn't matter unless the back was solid. If the back is open you're good, if it's sealed in, I'd want as much room as possible.

gfoulks- Those pixels are so small, I can't imagine something sitting in front of each one, theoretically impossible. Can you maybe take a picture of it? JVC will probably ask you to anyways if you contact them.

Not sure how I would take a picture... I mean you have to be about an inch from the screen... I'll see what I can do tonight.