I am in Frisco with a rooftop antenna. I did not completely loose channel 11, but my signal strength dropped from the 70s to 40%. I hope they increase the power on this station.

s/loose/lose/

By way of comparison, what signal strength are you getting on WFAA/8 (RF-8) which is also using the high-VHF band but with higher power than KTVT/11 (RF-11)?

Likewise, what's the current reading for KFWD/52 (on RF-9) using less ERP than either KTVT or WFAA?

WPVI (RF-6) in Philadelphia has applied for a dramatic power increase. If granted, that *may* set a precedent for other DT VHF facilities to similarly upgrade.

WPVI (RF-6) in Philadelphia has applied for a dramatic power increase. If granted, that *may* set a precedent for other DT VHF facilities to similarly upgrade.

KTVT even had a news story last night (http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=43307@ktvt.dayport.com) about their viewer's trouble since the DTV cut over. They did say they are working with the FCC to resolve the issue.

Mike

KTVT even had a news story last night (http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=43307@ktvt.dayport.com) about their viewer's trouble since the DTV cut over. They did say they are working with the FCC to resolve the issue.
Mike
:eek:Well, no wonder there is a problem with reception since they had to reduce transmission power, I had NO problem receiving 11.1 prior to June 12! :eek:

:eek:Well, no wonder there is a problem with reception since they had to reduce transmission power, I had NO problem receiving 11.1 prior to June 12! :eek:

On a technical subject such as this, near-pedantic precision is necessary, so please forgive the excessively explicit nature and length of this response.

KTVT/11, during the pre-transition era (until 12:00 on FRI 12 JUN 2009 in the D/FW market), was operating with 695 kw on RF-19, in the UHF band from their tower site on the east side of US-67, near Tidwell Street in Cedar Hill.

After the transition, co-owed KTXA/21 took that facility, boosting the power somewhat. So upon KTVT's vacating RF-19, KTXA is presently operating on the previous home of KTVT with a power of 750 kw from the KTVT site.

In turn, KTVT flash-cut by turning off analog on VHF channel 11 (licensed with 316 kw) and segued from digital RF-19 to digital on RF-11 with 23 kw. In the theoretical world of power and tower heights, an ERP (effective radiated power) of 23 kw on RF-11 was *supposed* to provide the same service in DTV as did the analog ERP of 316 kw on channel 11. KTVT's analog and digital transmission were/are horizontally polarized.

Since the FCC allotments and power/tower height projections were all done with the assumption of a 30-foot mast and a near-optimal VHF/UHF outdoor antenna, those projections were accurate -- given that ideal scenario.

In the ``real world'', that dog ain't hunting. Hence the FCC is reviewing applications for increased powers for those stations that are using VHF, especially those in the low-VHF spectrum of channels 2-6. Review the Philadelphia AVS Forum for a ``teachable moment'' of how reality trumped the theoretical for longtime market leader WPVI, ``6ABC'' as it's known.

In the event that anyone from CBS engineering (corporate or local) is lurking here, please correct any inaccuracies in this post. My data are [sic] based upon what's publicly available from the TV Query at this URL: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/video/tvq.html.

s/loose/lose/

By way of comparison, what signal strength are you getting on WFAA/8 (RF-8) which is also using the high-VHF band but with higher power than KTVT/11 (RF-11)?

Likewise, what's the current reading for KFWD/52 (on RF-9) using less ERP than either KTVT or WFAA?

WPVI (RF-6) in Philadelphia has applied for a dramatic power increase. If granted, that *may* set a precedent for other DT VHF facilities to similarly upgrade.

I checked again right now and I am now getting around 90% on channel 11. I'm not sure what is going on.

I have 75% on channel 8. I can't remember what it was before, but I don't think there was a dramatic change.
For channel 52 I have 65%.

Is anyone else having trouble with KXAS? I had KXAS until June 12. Now nothing. I'm using a Channel Master ant. (in my attic) I bought a couple of years ago. It's rated to 40 miles. I'm in Bedford (21.3 mi. from Cedar Hill according to TVFool). I've added a 24db gain amp. I've turned the ant. to tune it in to Cedar Hill. I rescanned and get every channel great except KXAS. I have 4 converter boxes (one on rabbit ears) and a HDTV DLP set. As I said I have no problems with any channel except KXAS (even the rabbit ears work except for KXAS). Any suggestions? Thanks.

What is your signal strength on 39.1 (40) and 68.1 (42)? These are channels around us.

What is your signal strength on 39.1 (40) and 68.1 (42)? These are channels around us.

NBC Engineering:

Permit me to divert the thread for just two quick questions:

1). I realize that the difference between KXAS's 891 kw vs. the maximum power of 1,000 kw is negligible. Nevertheless, was it interference constraints that prevented the use of the full megawatt?

2). Why is there now such a power disparity for the facilities in this market compared to the analog days when everyone was near the maximum? (100 kw/316 kw/5000 kw with near comparable HAAT sticks). Now things are all over the map, notably high-VHF KTVT (11) with 23 kw horizontally-polarized at 1707' vs. KFWD (9) soon-to-be 55 kw, also using horizontal polarization, at 1791'. It seems that, in this instance, KTVT got the short end of the stick -- pun intended.

I realize that digital power is a very different animal its analog counterpart but I would have thought that the FCC's final table of allotments would have been designed to maintain near-parity for the post-transition world.

What is your signal strength on 39.1 (40) and 68.1 (42)? These are channels around us.

Thanks for the help. Channel 39.1 (Telemundo)? is 60%.

Channel 68.1 (Ion) is a little higher at 66%

I did a rescan before checking signal strength and I am now getting 5.1, 5.2, and 5.3. Their signal strength is @ 50%.

Any suggestions on increasing signal strength? Thanks

[QUOTE=re_nelson;16683919]NBC Engineering:

Permit me to divert the thread for just two quick questions:

1). I realize that the difference between KXAS's 891 kw vs. the maximum power of 1,000 kw is negligible. Nevertheless, was it interference constraints that prevented the use of the full megawatt?


The reason we are not at 1 meg is that we are on a stacked antenna and the elbow complex will not allow us to go higher. We are looking into this though but any increase just comes back down as reflected so we get no benefit from it.

Thanks for the help. Channel 39.1 (Telemundo)? is 60%.

Channel 68.1 (Ion) is a little higher at 66%

I did a rescan before checking signal strength and I am now getting 5.1, 5.2, and 5.3. Their signal strength is @ 50%.

Any suggestions on increasing signal strength? Thanks

What part of town are you in? 50's and 60's are just above threshold so you do need to increase your UHF reception.

What part of town are you in? 50's and 60's are just above threshold so you do need to increase your UHF reception.

I am in Bedford, off Cheek Sparger and Murphy. What do I need to do to increase the reception... add an amp, go to a different ant... put the ant. on my chimney?

I am in Bedford, off Cheek Sparger and Murphy. What do I need to do to increase the reception... add an amp, go to a different ant... put the ant. on my chimney?
Moving the antenna outside should make a big difference. Having to go through a roof can cut out half the signal.

Here in Decatur, I was able to receive KTVT with an outdoor antenna but now lost it completely! They should have left well enough alone.:mad:

Here in Decatur, I was able to receive KTVT with an outdoor antenna but now lost it completely! They should have left well enough alone.:mad:
:p Here in Decatur, TX (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=16663986&postcount=4995) on Friday evening, I just happened to notice that I was sort of receiving KTVT 11.1 @ about 40%. Now on Saturday morning there is nothing!
Wonder if they were testing something, or do you just suppose it was an atmospheric anomaly or what?:p

Is anyone else having trouble with KXAS? I had KXAS until June 12. Now nothing. I'm using a Channel Master ant. (in my attic) I bought a couple of years ago. It's rated to 40 miles. I'm in Bedford (21.3 mi. from Cedar Hill according to TVFool). I've added a 24db gain amp. I've turned the ant. to tune it in to Cedar Hill. I rescanned and get every channel great except KXAS. I have 4 converter boxes (one on rabbit ears) and a HDTV DLP set. As I said I have no problems with any channel except KXAS (even the rabbit ears work except for KXAS). Any suggestions? Thanks.

I also am having problems wit KXAS. This channel came in fine before June 12.
All the rest of the channels are the same or better then before the transition.
11 KTVT is hitting 100%

:p Here in Decatur, TX (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=16663986&postcount=4995) on Friday evening, I just happened to notice that I was sort of receiving KTVT 11.1 @ about 40%. Now on Saturday morning there is nothing!
Wonder if they were testing something, or do you just suppose it was an atmospheric anomaly or what?:pNo they are just a way too low of a power. They should be called KTVT-LD not -DT. But I also did max power vs. haat and it came up very low than to be allotted. 47 kw is the allotted power and a 23 kw stick on Tar RD ain't gonna cut it in Wise Co. But you can get all other channels right? It is like before 6/12 WFAA wasn't gonna cut it but now KTVT isn't gonna cut it.

. They should be called KTVT-LD not -DT. .Strange.. because at my location at 635 and I-35E in NW Dallas about 23 miles from Cedar Hill, Ch 11 comes in near 100%, 8 about 90%, and 52 about 90%. 11 is my strongest VHF.

KTVT is now being mapped to 21-2 for some reason.

KTVT is now being mapped to 21-2 for some reason.
Not seeing that here on a Sony TV. "KTVT-DT 11.1" (Montel pushing HealthMaster.)


EDIT Now it is. KTVT is running 480i SD on 21.2 to fill in where the VHF 11 doesn't make it any more.

KTVT is 89 miles from KWTX's channel 10 broadcast. Any significant increase in power would probable cause excessive interference and not be allowed unless KWTX were to agree to a waiver.

What antennas are those of you in Decatur using?

...a 23 kw stick [for KTVT] on Tar RD ain't gonna cut it in Wise Co. it.

A minor quibble involving just a few miles at most -- but KTVT's facility is on the east side of US-67, not far from Cedar Hill High School. KTVT, KTXA and KERA all use that site.

The Tar Road site is a tad further south. KDAF, KSTR, KDFI, KDTX and KPXD are (or will be) out there. There's likely an ``official'' name for both the Tar Road and the KTVT/KTXA/KERA site but I'm just a layman. I hope that none of my posts come off as arrogant or too pedantic. I'm just an old fogy, former radio engineer intrigued by the end of analog television and this new-fangled DTV stuff. :-) I try to stay current by browsing the FCC records.

It's a beautiful (albeit a tad hot) day...so it's off for a swim. Enough of TV for now and 73's to all!

KTVT is 89 miles from KWTX's channel 10 broadcast. Any significant increase in power would probable cause excessive interference and not be allowed unless KWTX were to agree to a waiver.

What antennas are those of you in Decatur using?

I'm right inbetween Denton and Decatur, along US 380, and this is what I'm using "mounted" on the south side of my house. It's a Terk 42 intended to be mounted on a sat dish, but as you can see, it's not. It has a built in amplifier and is supposed to be powered by my Dish satellite box. Since I don't have it mounted to my Dish dish, I used the power supply from another amplified antenna and just ran one coax cable to the antenna. No one was more surprised than me when it worked. Ghetto engineering at it's best. :cool:

It picks up everything in DFW including 8, 11 and 52. I can't tell you the signal strength because my Vizio GV42LF doesn't have a power meter.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=138441&d=1238527378

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=137354&d=1237595462KTVT is 89 miles from KWTX's channel 10 broadcast. Any significant increase in power would probable cause excessive interference and not be allowed unless KWTX were to agree to a waiver.

What antennas are those of you in Decatur using?VU-90 just 3 miles SSW of Decatur. My TV is a Magnavox 37MF231D LCD TV. With this antenna, 8 is 80%, 11 is 60%(really on the threshold), 52 is 60%

Not seeing that here on a Sony TV. "KTVT-DT 11.1" (Montel pushing HealthMaster.)

I'm getting both 11.1 and 21.2. I'm surprised I'm getting 11.1 all the way in Hico with the problems some are having... and that's with a probably close to 30 year old Winegard antenna that someone gave me.

I'm getting both 11.1 and 21.2. I'm surprised I'm getting 11.1 all the way in Hico with the problems some are having... and that's with a probably close to 30 year old Winegard antenna that someone gave me.What channels can you receive?

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d618aab46f076e9

What channels can you receive?

2,4,5,8, 11,13,21,23,27,33,39,47,52,58, and sometimes 68.

I'm using Winegard AP 8275 Chromstar 2000 Series VHF/UHF Pre Amplifier.

However, once I get the proper splitter, I will use this for VHF stations, which it does well, and use my DB8 Multidirectional HDTV Antenna for UHF, which I got as a birthday gift a while back.

Before I would use the old antenna toward Waco and the DB8 for D/FW and put them on an A/B switch. However, losing 11 and 52 to the DB8, I'm just going to point them both toward D/FW, one for VHF and one for UHF and scan and not worry about the A/B switch. It seems to work pretty well that way. I adjusted them today and raised the antenna about 50 feet up. I'm also on a pretty big hill, so for Hico, I get pretty goo luck, even in storms.

2,4,5,8, 11,13,21,23,27,33,39,47,52,58, and sometimes 68.

I'm using Winegard AP 8275 Chromstar 2000 Series VHF/UHF Pre Amplifier.

However, once I get the proper splitter, I will use this for VHF stations, which it does well, and use my DB8 Multidirectional HDTV Antenna for UHF, which I got as a birthday gift a while back.

Before I would use the old antenna toward Waco and the DB8 for D/FW and put them on an A/B switch. However, losing 11 and 52 to the DB8, I'm just going to point them both toward D/FW, one for VHF and one for UHF and scan and not worry about the A/B switch. It seems to work pretty well that way. I adjusted them today and raised the antenna about 50 feet up. I'm also on a pretty big hill, so for Hico, I get pretty goo luck, even in storms.Have you tried taking the cable wire and feeding it directly to the antenna? That's what I did today and I pick up more stations. Because any splitter will zap signals.

KTVT is 89 miles from KWTX's channel 10 broadcast. Any significant increase in power would probable cause excessive interference and not be allowed unless KWTX were to agree to a waiver.
What antennas are those of you in Decatur using?
My antenna is what I have had for years, probably about 20 feet above the roof! All other DFW services (even Channel 2) are received, and Channel 11 and 11.1 were received just fine before the switch on the 12th!

VU-90 just 3 miles SSW of Decatur. My TV is a Magnavox 37MF231D LCD TV. With this antenna, 8 is 80%, 11 is 60%(really on the threshold), 52 is 60%
Any amplifier in use? An antenna rated for "up to 50 miles" seems to be a bit underpowered for 58 miles with 1-edge diffraction.

Any amplifier in use? An antenna rated for "up to 50 miles" seems to be a bit underpowered for 58 miles with 1-edge diffraction.
:eek:Why should there be any change?:eek:

No they are just a way too low of a power. They should be called KTVT-LD not -DT. But I also did max power vs. haat and it came up very low than to be allotted. 47 kw is the allotted power and a 23 kw stick on Tar RD ain't gonna cut it in Wise Co. But you can get all other channels right? It is like before 6/12 WFAA wasn't gonna cut it but now KTVT isn't gonna cut it.

For it to be KTVT-LD, the power would have to be 0.3 kW.

23 kW is about 3 dB down from 46 kW, so it likely would not make a large difference for you in terms of strength.

- Trip

Note on CBS11's website:
Having trouble getting CBS 11 over the air after the digital switch? You can now watch CBS 11 on 21.2 on your converter box and HDTV, but you might have to re-scan to see it.

Story from Wednesday:

http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=43307@ktvt.dayport.com

Note on CBS11's website:
Having trouble getting CBS 11 over the air after the digital switch? You can now watch CBS 11 on 21.2 on your converter box and HDTV, but you might have to re-scan to see it.

It's 480i, so it's better than nothing but not an ideal long term solution. For folks with converter boxes, it won't matter but for us with HDTV it will.

I'm glad I still get it on 11.1 since they carry the majority of the prime time programming that I watch. I'm 19.2 miles from the transmitter with a Channel Master 4228 in the attic, if anyone's interested. 11.1 signal strength is 63 & 21.2 is 77 (on a 0-100 scale), so 11.1 is choppy at times and I hope they're able to increase their power or swap broadcast frequencies with 21.

Mike

Note on CBS11's website:
Having trouble getting CBS 11 over the air after the digital switch? You can now watch CBS 11 on 21.2 on your converter box and HDTV, but you might have to re-scan to see it.
:p KTVT CBS 11 in 480i on 21.2 works in Wise County! :p

I also am having problems wit KXAS. This channel came in fine before June 12.
All the rest of the channels are the same or better then before the transition.
11 KTVT is hitting 100%

Me too. KXAS bounces between low 30s and peak 62 on signal strength. Have tried re-orienting antenna, no luck. Please let me know if anyone heres anything.

Me too. KXAS bounces between low 30s and peak 62 on signal strength. Have tried re-orienting antenna, no luck. Please let me know if anyone heres anything.

Please let me know your location to the nearest major cross streets?

Me too. KXAS bounces between low 30s and peak 62 on signal strength. Have tried re-orienting antenna, no luck. Please let me know if anyone heres anything.

You might be having multipath problems. If so, a more directional antenna along eith careful aiming might help.

I am in Bedford, off Cheek Sparger and Murphy. What do I need to do to increase the reception... add an amp, go to a different ant... put the ant. on my chimney?

Height is always the first choice, amp second.

Any amplifier in use? An antenna rated for "up to 50 miles" seems to be a bit underpowered for 58 miles with 1-edge diffraction.Nope, just 1 antenna and a cable wire.

Might be worth investing a few bucks in a Winegard HDP269 preamp.

New HD channels are now live on FiOS:
554 Spike HD
690 Comedy Central HD
710 MTV HD
717 VH1 HD
721 CMT HD
752 Nick HD

No listings or entries in the guide yet, but they're available if you punch in the channel number. Might need to reboot your box if you aren't getting them yet.

Tonight getting a lot of dropouts on KXTA-DT 21, even though the signal strength is solid. On two different TVs on different antennas and a converter box all having their own issues with 21 tonight (and 21.2). Anyone else?

Tonight getting a lot of dropouts on KXTA-DT 21, even though the signal strength is solid. On two different TVs on different antennas and a converter box all having their own issues with 21 tonight (and 21.2). Anyone else?I had a lot of pink screens on Dish Network on KTXA-DT too.

I had a lot of pink screens on Dish Network on KTXA-DT too.

Is a pink screen Dish's equivalent of a blue screen?


OK so far today. Watched about 20 min of Price Is Right on 21.2 and no dropouts. Last night several times TV would show "unable to Decode" while Sig strength was 80-90%.

Is a pink screen Dish's equivalent of a blue screen?


OK so far today. Watched about 20 min of Price Is Right on 21.2 and no dropouts. Last night several times TV would show "unable to Decode" while Sig strength was 80-90%.Yes a pink screen is a blue screen sub. I call it "ghetto screen" because they can't get a blue screen. LOL

According to what I've seen, the KXAS nightlight service ends on 26 JUN 2009. That prompts a few queries:

As the pioneering television station in the Southwest, does channel 5 analog plan on doing anything to commemorate the historic end of 60+ years of broadcasting on that facility? Or will it just go poof? (Sure would be nice to put up an old WBAP-TV slide similar to what KYW-TV did). :-)

With apologies to Amon Carter, I fully recognize that the end of channel 5 analog is not a monumental event on the order of the recent DTV transition. Nevertheless, so I that I can get it archived for posterity, what is the planned time for the termination?

For you FIOS customers: do you get the alternate feeds for Fox Sports like they do on the dish services? And if so, do you get them in HD? I have checked their channel listings but the regional sports alternates aren't always listed, even if a carrier has them. I'm just trying to set my expectations for when Verizon lights up my part of Frisco...

Thanks,
Randy

No. AFAIK the only alternate feed for FSN SW is for San Antonio for Spurs games, and they're not part of the DFW market so we don't get their games anyway.

No. AFAIK the only alternate feed for FSN SW is for San Antonio for Spurs games, and they're not part of the DFW market so we don't get their games anyway.

Thanks for the reply. I mainly would like to be able to see Astros games when both they and the Rangers are on FSW. Maybe I'll have to consider going with Dish for awhile...I have no idea when FIOS will make it to my part of town, anyway...thanks again.

Randy

FSN Houston isn't a subregion of FSN SW anymore. They made it into a full, separate channel back in January. DirecTV hasn't changed their information to reflect that yet, but presumably they will when they bring more satellite capacity online and carry more RSNs 24/7. The only MLB games on FSN SW are those featuring the Rangers.

I've noticed the whole FSNHouston thing, etc. I've watched them through so many incarnations it is kind of hilarious. I wasn't sure exactly to what degree they had separated things...I just know that my buddy with Dish gets the Astros games I want to see when the Rangers are on FSN and Houston isn't on their local affiliate...and it is totally wasted on him since he is a Cubs fan!!! :)

Thanks for the reply. I mainly would like to be able to see Astros games when both they and the Rangers are on FSW. Maybe I'll have to consider going with Dish for awhile...I have no idea when FIOS will make it to my part of town, anyway...thanks again.

Randy

time warner has it on channel Digital 960 (qam 80-4) but there is no tvlistings for the games so you would have to look online for when the ranger and astros are both playing.

time warner has it on channel Digital 960 (qam 80-4) but there is no tvlistings for the games so you would have to look online for when the ranger and astros are both playing.

Wow...I usually know, so this is great news! Thank you very much for the info!

Randy

I have a TivoHD using OTA only right now. I used to have dual TWC cable cards and am thinking about going back to them. I've not seen any chatter in the past 6 months or so here about them going to SDV in DFW. Does anyone know? If I were to call them, would the person on the phone even know what I'm talking about?

Can anyone help with this problem?
I read through the recent posts and couldn't find
anything similar.

I am in SW Grapevine, and have large VHF/UHF antenna
located high in the attic. I have been getting excellent
reception for many years on almost all local channels, (except some
Spanish ones that I don't watch anyway), including 13 and 13.1.

Now that it has gone digital, I am getting excellent reception
on 4, 5 (all bands) 8 (all bands) and 11, but nothing on 13 KERA.
I am also getting v.good reception on most of the high channels,
(21, 23, 27, 33 etc.), although I seldom watch those. However
we do watch KERA a lot.

I remember that I once read that KERA was initially broadcasting
in low power, but that it was going to increase after the transition.

I am using a 3-yr old Panasonic HD plasma TV.

I am reluctant to use an amplifier, in case it overpowers
the other channels.

Any ideas will be appreciated

Did you rescan? 13, I believe, moved from 14 to 13.

Did you rescan? 13, I believe, moved from 14 to 13.

KERA has not moved. It is remaining on channel 14.

- Trip

Well nevermind, then! :D

Nothing changed here with "KERA-HD" 13.1. Still my weakest major channel at 65-70%, but almost always solid reception like it's always been.

here are the muxes for TWC

669MHz
HDT
MAX HD
STZ HD

675MHz
KTVT HD
KTXA HD

681MHz
WFAA HD
KERA HD
WFAA 8-2

693MHz
KDFW HD
KXAS HD
Weather +
US

699MHz
MAV TV HD
HBO HD
SHO HD

705MHz
SMITHSONION HD
UHD
MGM HD

711MHz
KDFI HD
KDAF HD
KPXD HD

759MHz
ESPN HD
ESPN2 HD
TNT HD

807MHz
GOLF HD
VS HD
HISTORY HD

813MHz
FOOD HD
HGTV HD
FSN SW HD

819MHz
TBS HD
CNN HD
A&E HD

825MHz
DSC HD
APL HD
NGC HD

831MHz
PPV HD
FX HD
HMC HD

837MHz
DISNEY HD
DXD HD
ABC FAMILY HD

843MHz
TLC HD
PLANET GREEN HD
LMN HD

849MHz
TRAVEL HD
SCIENCE HD
ESPNU HD

855MHz
ESPNEWS HD
BIO HD
SPEED HD

861MHz
FNC HD
WEATHER CHANNEL HD
CBS COLLEGE SPORTS HD

here are the muxes for TWC

759MHz
ESPN HD
ESPN2 HD
TNT HD
What kind of crack-addled monkey comes up with these groupings? Hope none of you TWC subs are NBA fans because those games have got to look awful. Even Comcast isn't retarded enough to 3-pack the sports channels.

What kind of crack-addled monkey comes up with these groupings? Hope none of you TWC subs are NBA fans because those games have got to look awful. Even Comcast isn't retarded enough to 3-pack the sports channels.

they are statmuxing the channels.

they dont look bad at all they look clear no misquito noise no artifacts.

plus they use mpeg4 to mpeg2 transcoders from motorola and cisco

dsr6050
disney hd
disney xd hd
abc family hd
smithsonian hd
cbs college sports hd
mgm hd

CISCO 9858
VS HD
GOLF HD
MAV TV HD
HGTV HD
FOOD HD
HMC HD

the mpeg 4 transcoded channels look the same as the mpeg 2 channels better than directv.

Statmuxing doesn't work when you have 3 channels that need all available bandwidth more often than not, like TNT, ESPN, and ESPN2. Plus, those channels are all fed as MPEG2, so any perceived benefits to reencoding an MPEG4 source vs. an MPEG2 source are irrelevant. I'm sure the ABCFam/Disney/DXD channels all look fine given that they're 720p and show little to nothing in the way of 60Hz HD content (almost entirely 24Hz), but I would hope that a bit more thought would be put into the groupings. Maybe do ESPN/SHO/DIS, ESPN2/HBO/ABCFam, TNT/MAX/DXD, etc. Group each high-need channel with a couple that don't need much so the statmuxing can actually work properly.

I am in an Apt Complex in Far North Dallas, bottom floor, with a patio facing south. My building's outside is comprised of brick. I have tried indoor antennas and some outdoor. The best reception I have had was with an omnidirectional antenna -- Winegard MS2000.

I received 2,4,5,8,11 (the hardest to get), 21, 27, 33, 68 (the rest I don't care about)

Alas I came across 2 issues. When disconnecting a cable the problems started. The first issue was the poorly built N PCB connector. All 4 leads on the outershell broke, one came out of its solderjoint. The second issue was I opened it up.

I cannot send it back to Winegard opened up, though there is no real sign I had done so.

Does anyone know where I can get a 75 Ohm PCB Mounted, 4 Pin, N Connector? Local preferred, but will mailorder. Frys, Ratshack nor Altex has any.

I would just call them. I have talked to them several times in the last few years.
Technical Service
Phone: 800-788-4417
OffAir/Home Antenna Support
Hours: Monday-Friday, 7:30 AM - 6:00 PM CST
Saturday, 8:00 AM - 4:00 PM CST

I would think your best bet if you want to replace that "F" connector is go to Tanner Electronics. I think it is on Valwood Pky West of 35. Take the old one and match it up. No guarantee but I buy lots of stuff here.
JStigler

Has anyone else noticed the overwhelming surrounds on KXAS? Every other channel, DVDs, etc., sound fine, but the surrounds on KXAS are incredibly loud. Is this a KXAS issue or is this how the feed from NBC sound?

Haven't noticed a problem. If anything, the problem is the opposite: NBC/KXAS does it right, while everyone else is too low in the surrounds.

There is a SMPTE meeting tomorrow night in Dallas with a pgm on HD audio processing. Send me a PM and I can give you the details if you are interested in attending.

The problem with KXAS / NBC is the difference in all the sources of audio. Some in 5.1 and some in stereo. They just bounce all around when listening in 5.1. I will admit that the rear audio when in 5.1 is more pronounced than some of the other stations.

WFAA / KTVT have audio processing that switches the stereo / Dolby digital so that the stereo is presented as simulated DD. That keeps the dialogue in the center, etc. This is much better than the station switching in/out of 2/0 or 3/2 mode causing pops/clicks and loss of audio at the switch.

On a programming note the Capital 4th on PBS local sounded really good but they are only in the 2/0 mode. Then the Macy's on NBC was in 3/2 but the audio on that live performance left a lot to be desired.
JStigler

Yes, I re-scanned but still no luck. I am getting a signal
of about 22% for KERA on 13-1, but all of the others are
above 80%. I am in SW Grapevine, almost in Colleyville.
Anyone else in this area with a similar problem?
I will try adjusting the direction of the antenna, hoping
that I don't lose the other stations. If that doesn't work, I
suppose a new antenna might be needed.

I am just down the road at roughly 121 & Glade. No issues at all with KERA. I have not looked at the S Meter in so long that I don't know the reading.

If you need a new antenna you can run up to Fry's on 635 and get a Winegard HD7694P. They are in the floor at the front door. Do NOT get the HD1080 or the Channel Master 2 bowtie.
JStigler

Sometime early this morning (12 JUL 2009), 61 years of full-power analog telecasting ended in the D/FW market when KDFW's nightlight was shut off, probably without any fanfare.

The only remaining NTSC transmissions are from these low power facilities, several of which ultimately plan to switch to ATSC:

6/KZFW
22/KNAV
25/K25FW
28/KHPK
44/KLEG
57/KSEX

KHPK is running both digital on channel 3 as well as analog on channel 28. In what might only be a coincidence, with the shutdown of KDFW's analog 4, for the first time, I'm able to receive KHPK's 300 watt signal on RF-3 in Frisco. That's on a DigitalStream DTX-9950 STB with a Terk HDTVa.

The only remaining NTSC transmissions are from these low power facilities, several of which ultimately plan to switch to ATSC:

6/KZFW
22/KNAV
25/K25FW
28/KHPK
44/KLEG
57/KSEX


Dare I ask what they show on channel 57?

I am a little further South near Euless Main and Pipeline. No probs with Ch13. I recently greatly inproved my signal by using Google Earth to repoint my antenna. I drew a line on the map from my house to Cedar Hill then visually measured the angle from my roof ridgeline. I only moved my old Radio Shack antenna (in the attic) about 20deg but it made all the diff. I am near a creek so I'm in a hole but have a 2 story house.

Dare I ask what they show on channel 57?

The call letters notwithstanding, KSEX's programming is infomercials. For a steady diet of ``Girls Gone Wild'', it's 29/KMPX which suspends Spanish-language programming for the overnight sex romp en Ingles.

I've noticed the whole FSNHouston thing, etc. I've watched them through so many incarnations it is kind of hilarious. I wasn't sure exactly to what degree they had separated things...I just know that my buddy with Dish gets the Astros games I want to see when the Rangers are on FSN and Houston isn't on their local affiliate...and it is totally wasted on him since he is a Cubs fan!!! :)

This is true. I never knew how much I missed watching the Astros until I switched from DirecTV to FiOS. Unfortunately, MLB won't let us buy access to games to which we're supposedly "local," or I'd just watch them on MLB.tv. Plus, KDFI-27 is giving up the Rangers after this season, and KTXA-21 is picking up just a "Friday Game of the Week," so the Rangers will overlap almost entirely with the Astros. Maybe we get lucky and Verizon picks up FSHouston after the baseball season, like was rumored last year on DSLReports.

Has anyone noticed that WFAA has replaced the radar on both 8.3 and 8.2 with automated traffic reports?

Opinions? Mine is that I don't like it. Why not put traffic on 8.2 and leave the continuous radar up on 8.3? At least when there is rain in the area. Come on, WFAA!

Has anyone noticed that WFAA has replaced the radar on both 8.3 and 8.2 with automated traffic reports?

Opinions? Mine is that I don't like it. Why not put traffic on 8.2 and leave the continuous radar up on 8.3? At least when there is rain in the area. Come on, WFAA!

I noticed that last night first time to my disappointment when I wanted to see if there was any rain in the area. Too bad. Not sure how many people would be driving around with DTVs on board watching Ch 8.3 for traffic updates. At least WFAA could alternate between radar and traffic. There's Ch 5.2 with their radar and maps whiich is what I resorted to. Ch 4 used to run radar on 4.2 but that went away long ago.

Hello,

AMGTV is running on KHPK TV 3.2 as of 4:00pm Friday.
Thanks
Fred Hutton
817-480-5222

I need current psip info as would display on a Zenith/Insignia box in the upper right hand corner.It come close to decoding today for me,and my buddy in Indy had full video,but no psip info for a positive ID.

Thanks,
Greg B

I need current psip info as would display on a Zenith/Insignia box in the upper right hand corner.It come close to decoding today for me,and my buddy in Indy had full video,but no psip info for a positive ID.

Thanks,
Greg B

Man that's some pretty good DX in Indiana from a low power low VHF DTV channel in Dallas! ;)

Man that's some pretty good DX in Indiana from a low power low VHF DTV channel in Dallas! ;)

Eskip can get out pretty well even on the LP's. I decoded KCWX on 5 from Fredericksburg and this one on 3 hit mid green three times but no luck decoding.

Can anyone verify the remap at 3.2?

KHPK is both physical and virtual 3.x. The name as identified by PSIP would be "KHPK-LD 3.1", etc. And that is a pretty spectacular DX given that hardly anyone in Dallas can get it :D.

Last time I saw it (which was admittedly a while ago), KHPK didn't even have PSIP. Hopefully that's been fixed by now.

- Trip

Some big news...CBS has filed to return KTVT's digital broadcast to pre-transition channel 19 (http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1321344&Service=DS&Form_id=911&Facility_id=23422) and KTXA's to pre-transition channel 18 (http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1321282&Service=DS&Form_id=911&Facility_id=51517). Apparently they're sick of answering calls from people who can't get VHF reception. Last I heard, Belo had no plans to try to move WFAA and KFWD to UHF, but perhaps they will reconsider if they end up all alone. A quick glance shows that 24, 27, 29, 47, and 49 might be available if WFAA/KWFD wanted to relocate.

Some big news...CBS has filed to return KTVT's digital broadcast to pre-transition channel 19 (http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1321344&Service=DS&Form_id=911&Facility_id=23422) and KTXA's to pre-transition channel 18 (http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1321282&Service=DS&Form_id=911&Facility_id=51517). Apparently they're sick of answering calls from people who can't get VHF reception. Last I heard, Belo had no plans to try to move WFAA and KFWD to UHF, but perhaps they will reconsider if they end up all alone. A quick glance shows that 24, 27, 29, 47, and 49 might be available if WFAA/KWFD wanted to relocate.

KTVT cited a significant ratings drop as evidence of OTA viewership loss. IMHO, they *had* to get something done before the start of Cowboys pre-season. Credit is due to CBS for recognizing the problem and taking decisive action.

How the final table of allotments ended up so that KTVT's RF-11 was so close to co-channel KSWO (Lawton) is ``interesting''. That likely is what prevented CBS from pursuing an increase beyond KTVT's 23 kw.

KTVT's 152 mile spacing to KSWO is still better than KFWD's 92 to KCEN (Temple) and 149 to KTRE (Lufkin). I can't follow the thinking behind that one, even with theoretical cost saving on VHF and being able to reuse some of WFAA's equipment.

Last time I saw it (which was admittedly a while ago), KHPK didn't even have PSIP. Hopefully that's been fixed by now.

- Trip

Can anyone in the area confirm whether KHPK is or is not providing PSIP? Thanks.

Steve

Glad to see Ch 11/CBS is trying to resolve the issue. I just put a 7694P in the attic this weekend (in Grapevine) and we get everything except Ch 11. The work this weekend just consisted of cutting and connectorizing the existing coax feeds, installing a mounting board and CM distribution amplifier, and unboxing and temporarily connecting the antenna. I still need to mast-mount the antenna so I may gain another 6-8 feet of elevation which might bring up the signal strength on Ch 11 but I'm glad they're working on a fix.

KTVT cited a significant ratings drop as evidence of OTA viewership loss. IMHO, they *had* to get something done before the start of Cowboys pre-season. Credit is due to CBS for recognizing the problem and taking decisive action.

How the final table of allotments ended up so that KTVT's RF-11 was so close to co-channel KSWO (Lawton) is ``interesting''. That likely is what prevented CBS from pursuing an increase beyond KTVT's 23 kw.


I'm really surprised I get KTVT as well as I do in Hico. I rarely have dropouts, but I am happy about this change.

Can anyone in the area confirm whether KHPK is or is not providing PSIP? Thanks.
Steve

I didn't see any PSIP on either KHPK/3-1 or 3-2 when I was getting it over the past weekend. 3-1 was infomercials (apparently the same content as analog low-power KNAV/22) and 3-2 was GEMS-TV when I last checked on Saturday 18 JUL 2009.

I didn't see any PSIP on either KHPK/3-1 or 3-2 when I was getting it over the past weekend. 3-1 was infomercials (apparently the same content as analog low-power KNAV/22) and 3-2 was GEMS-TV when I last checked on Saturday 18 JUL 2009.

Thanks very much for the feedback. I think I received this station last Friday afternoon at 1:01 p.m. CDT via E-skip in Indianapolis. But when it briefly decoded, without any PSIP, I didn't have any way to ID it other than "3-1."

Steve

Since Sunday 19 JUL 2009, KFWD/52 (RF-9) has barely been captured on my tuner in Frisco. Since the transition, KFWD typically measures 75 on the 0-100 scale. Since yesterday, the signal struggles to reach 35.

I know that KFWD made an arrangement with co-channel KCEN to operate with 18.6 kw. Has that agreement (originally set to expire on 3 JUL 2009) not been renewed and KFWD reverted to 800 watts per the BDSTA-20081216AIC application?

Since Sunday 19 JUL 2009, KFWD/52 (RF-9) has barely been captured on my tuner in Frisco.

I also would like to know what happened to their signal strength. I thought it was just something on my end that had gone south but apparently it's not just me.

Mike

Since before June 12, anytime any storms or moisture has been in the area Channel 8-1 usually started breaking up. Now since the changeover I can add channel 11-1 and 52-1 to the list. I am using an outdoor antenna at about 30' height, originally rated at 120 miles VHF and 90 Miles UHF, which has been working for years on the analog channels. I live on the extreme south side of Greenville. I wasn't sweating the changeover since i had very good reception on my two digital tuner HD TV's and also on one converter box - except for WFAA, if there was any inclement weather in the area. Now, I guess I will have to relegate 8-1, 11-1, and 52-1 to my least watched channels unless 11-1 goes back to UHF 19. Unless it's a question of money, I don't understand why all the stations didn't go to UHF anyway. I also took 8-3 out of my channel list when it started doing traffic instead of weather. Channel 5-2 is barely acceptable for weather, but not by much.

Have you checked the wiring for the VHF portion of the antenna? I can understand lightning causing problems on VHF, but a bit of rain shouldn't impact VHF reception.

Since before June 12, anytime any storms or moisture has been in the area Channel 8-1 usually started breaking up. Now since the changeover I can add channel 11-1 and 52-1 to the list. I am using an outdoor antenna at about 30' height, originally rated at 120 miles VHF and 90 Miles UHF, which has been working for years on the analog channels. I live on the extreme south side of Greenville. I wasn't sweating the changeover since i had very good reception on my two digital tuner HD TV's and also on one converter box - except for WFAA, if there was any inclement weather in the area. Now, I guess I will have to relegate 8-1, 11-1, and 52-1 to my least watched channels unless 11-1 goes back to UHF 19. Unless it's a question of money, I don't understand why all the stations didn't go to UHF anyway.

Sunday 19 JUL 2009 was the first occasion I had to watch DTV since the transition with storms in the area. It's been dry for so long as those of us in North Texas know.

Anyway, in spite of receiving quite strong signals on WFAA/8 and KTVT/11 (both in the 90's on a 0-100 scale), I was astounded at just how fragile VHF was with even distant lightning. Pixelation and audio dropouts were frequent on these two stations whereas even the weakest of UHFs (K31GL/31 and KJJM/34) didn't break up at all. (As noted elsethread, the other V, KFWD/52 was evidently on low power and not captured at all -- lightning or not).

I'm sure that all of the FCC's theoretical models showed that VHF was going to work for DTV but I think reality is proving otherwise, with KTVT's plans as evidence.

I should have said there is a slight rise in elevation between me and Cedar Hill just to the Southwest of my location - with many trees. I think it may be the wet leaves that cause the problem. In all the years I never had a problem with Analog. I've lived at this location since 1976.

The final paperwork is in, KTVT wants to return to channel 19 at 1000 kW, as expected. KTXA wants to operate channel 18 at reduced power (due to spacing problems with KYTX in Tyler) but ultimately wants to move to channel 29.

- Trip

Have you checked the wiring for the VHF portion of the antenna? I can understand lightning causing problems on VHF, but a bit of rain shouldn't impact VHF reception.

I agree. I usually peg the meter on the VHF-HIs up here in MN during rain storms, not completely sure if it is the dampness keeping down the VHF noise or the rain clouds helping form small ducts and/or both.

KFWD Ch52-1 is back on with their new ch9 antenna at the Cowboy tower. See if this put them back on your TV. I believe it was around 11pm Monday night.
JStigler

KFWD Ch52-1 is back on with their new ch9 antenna at the Cowboy tower. See if this put them back on your TV. I believe it was around 11pm Monday night.


Yes, it's there after being gone most of Sunday and Monday. On a 0-100 scale, it now reads around 87. Last week it was typically in the upper 70's.

Is KFWD using the 55 kw rig yet or is it still 18.6 kw on the new antenna with the directional pattern favoring the north?

KFWD Ch52-1 is back on with their new ch9 antenna at the Cowboy tower. See if this put them back on your TV. I believe it was around 11pm Monday night.
JStigler

Still no joy hear in East Fort Worth at 1AM. "Cowboy tower", where's that? The new Cowboy Stadium? Guess I'll see what antennaweb has...

Mike

Question, where do you get the 0-100 scale reading from?

Question, where do you get the 0-100 scale reading from?

The signal strength display on a DigitalStream DTX-9950 converter box.

Still no joy hear in East Fort Worth at 1AM. "Cowboy tower", where's that? The new Cowboy Stadium? Guess I'll see what antennaweb has...

I think Cowboy tower is the one on belt line (13something w belt line?) in Cedar Hill. I could be wrong; it's happened before. :D

That said, whatever they changed has worked up here in Lewisville. I went from 52-1 being about 40-45 as measured by the oh-so-scientific TiVo HD 8VSB tuner on-screen readings to 91. This is with your average Philips MANT950 outdoor powered antenna just sitting on a 3rd floor balcony kinda-sorta facing south.

I got FiOS when we moved to our new townhouse, but I think I'm keeping the antenna just in case the cable service dies and it's nice to know the stations are getting their transmission issues sorted out. Now, if only 52-2 would light up with RTV...

Now, if only 52-2 would light up with RTV...

You're going to be waiting a really long time. It's 54-2 that's supposed to have RTV. :D

- Trip

The signal strength display on a DigitalStream DTX-9950 converter box.

Thank you nelson, would using a converter box going into a tv (that has a tuner) get a better signal or what affect would that have on the tv? Forgive my noob question as I'm trying to understand this OTA.

Since before June 12, anytime any storms or moisture has been in the area Channel 8-1 usually started breaking up. Now since the changeover I can add channel 11-1 and 52-1 to the list.....I also took 8-3 out of my channel list when it started doing traffic instead of weather. Channel 5-2 is barely acceptable for weather, but not by much.

Intresting that on Monday during a big downpour where I could barely see across the street through all the rain at about 8 AM, the only channels I could receive during that with a 100% solid signal were the VHFs: 8, 11 and 52! Lost 4.1 completely for about 10 min and the other UHFs I tried were all cutting in and out, unwatchable.

Also noticed WFAA 8.3 had the radar back up while it was raining. So don't give up on it completely. Apparently they are rotating the radar and the traffic map.

...would using a converter box going into a tv (that has a tuner) get a better signal or what affect would that have on the tv? Forgive my noob question as I'm trying to understand this OTA.

Probably not (but I'll defer to experts here in AVS land who have compared tuners). I got the DigitalStream DTX-9950 converter with the government coupon solely for the purpose of getting digital television into an ancient GE TV that I've had for more than 25 years.

While I've been very pleased with the sensitivity of the DTX-9950, I would presume that the current generation of televisions equipped with a built-in ATSC tuner would outperform an external converter box.

Thank you nelson, would using a converter box going into a tv (that has a tuner) get a better signal or what affect would that have on the tv? Forgive my noob question as I'm trying to understand this OTA.
The converter box puts out an analog signal. That means no HD picture or sound. The digital tuner in your TV should be giving you access to HD.

You're going to be waiting a really long time. It's 54-2 that's supposed to have RTV. :D

Hah, I hate typos. The sad part is, it seems like it's just as likely that 52-2 will start with RTV than 54-2. :cool:

....., I would presume that the current generation of televisions equipped with a built-in ATSC tuner would outperform an external converter box.

I wouldn't presume that.

Except for the higher end TV sets, CECBs seem to have the better tuners that exhibit better sensitivity, lower noise figures, and better adaptive equalizers. Those that have the "sixth generation" tuners seem to be among the best whether it be a CECB or a TV set.

Think of it this way:

90% of TV sets will never get hooked up to an antenna. The manufacturers don't have a lot of exposure if their tuner isn't so good. There is no particular specification that the tuner has to meet.

100% of converter boxes will, however, be connected to an antenna. The CECB program established minimum performance standards in order to be eligible for the coupon program. The last published test (from last fall) that I've seen showed that every CECB met and usually exceeded the requirements.

From what I've seen, LG, Sony, and Samsung (to name a few) all seem to have very good ATSC tuners. Vizio and Insignia are ones that I hear about that are sometimes not as good. Your mileage will definitely vary.

The converter box puts out an analog signal. That means no HD picture or sound. The digital tuner in your TV should be giving you access to HD.

Thank you nelson and bernie for the respond. So does OTA HD come in as 720 and 1080 or just 1080?

Thank you nelson and bernie for the respond. So does OTA HD come in as 720 and 1080 or just 1080?
It is whatever the broadcaster broadcasts, Some networks broadcast 720, others 1080.

It is whatever the broadcaster broadcasts, Some networks broadcast 720, others 1080.

Ok, thanks

And some networks (like ABC) are 720p but have certain affiliates (like WFAA) that convert it to 1080i. Nothing is ever easy :D.

It is whatever the broadcaster broadcasts, Some networks broadcast 720, others 1080.

And if it matters, that's 720p or 1080i. There's no OTA at 1080p.

The converter box puts out an analog signal. That means no HD picture or sound. The digital tuner in your TV should be giving you access to HD.
That is not true. The cheaper converter boxes, those that can (or could) be purchased with the government coupon, only output SD. But, you can buy external HD tuners. (I suppose they wouldn't really be called a converter box, would they?) In the early days of HD, most sets did not include HD tuners, for some stupid reason. So those TVs require an external tuner.

KFWD Ch52-1 is back on with their new ch9 antenna at the Cowboy tower. See if this put them back on your TV. I believe it was around 11pm Monday night.
JStigler

This actually took them off my tv in Hico. I went from about 4 bars consistently on my tv to once in a while getting one. Oh well, at least all the major networks are fine for me.

This actually took them off my tv in Hico. I went from about 4 bars consistently on my tv to once in a while getting one. Oh well, at least all the major networks are fine for me.

If this is indeed the new antenna designed for 55kw, then KFWD's directional pattern would be in effect. It has a sharp null to the south, thus allowing KCEN to serve the Waco/Temple market.

Are you now able to get KCEN?

As has been discussed periodically here in this forum, the KCEN and KFWD sites are only 92 miles apart, with both on the same RF channel, 9. I'm hard-pressed to think of any other co-channel facilities in this part of the world that close in proximity.

FSN Southwest HD is now 24/7 on FiOS. Are you TWC viewers seeing the same thing?

Glad to see Ch 11/CBS is trying to resolve the issue. I just put a 7694P in the attic this weekend (in Grapevine) and we get everything except Ch 11. The work this weekend just consisted of cutting and connectorizing the existing coax feeds, installing a mounting board and CM distribution amplifier, and unboxing and temporarily connecting the antenna. I still need to mast-mount the antenna so I may gain another 6-8 feet of elevation which might bring up the signal strength on Ch 11 but I'm glad they're working on a fix.

Mast-mounted the antenna (still in attic) and we now get Ch 11 pretty strong. The extra 6 or 7 feet of elevation seems to have helped. I'm not running the CM 7777 that I have at all, just an ~7' length of some good Belden coax from antenna to CM distribution amp and from there to all the coax outlets in the house. It's so nice to have that done, such that good TV reception is simply plug and play now, but with no monthly bill.

Do you have the radiant barrier in your attic? If so, how does it affect the signal?

Do you have the radiant barrier in your attic? If so, how does it affect the signal?

We ended up not getting the spray-on barrier at this point, so I can't comment. The guy from EAS that came to give us an estimate said it wouldn't, but I'm skeptical. I may try to do foil myself (cheaper and more effective), some of which I already have.

KTVT returns to UHF on August 4 at 11AM...

- Trip

You're going to be waiting a really long time. It's 54-2 that's supposed to have RTV. :D


And we'll probably have a long wait before RTV appears on 54-2; KLDT is really the dregs of DFW television. Not to mention that they're in bankruptcy and can't afford to build out their full post-transition facility.

Someone at NBC decided in their infinite wisdom to not sell the broadcast rights to the USA Mexico World Cup Qualifier soccer game to ESPN in favor of limited distribution English broadcast on Mun2 (I'd never heard of it up to now). Now I'm contemplating trying to hook up the OTA antenna to get Telemundo IF it's going to broadcasting in "true" HD ?

Anyone know what the state is of Telemundo HD broadcasts, what channel # (39-1?) ,and the likelihood of picking it up in West Fort Worth on the wrong side of a hill ? I've only had spotty success with previous endeavers trying to pick up OTA HD.

Anyone know what the state is of Telemundo HD broadcasts, what channel # (39-1?) ,and the likelihood of picking it up in West Fort Worth on the wrong side of a hill ? I've only had spotty success with previous endeavers trying to pick up OTA HD.

Telemundo 39-1 is at full power and if the broadcast comes to us in HD then it will be passed through that way. 39-1 is at 1080i.

I've read many places that Fox and ABC use 720p, NBC CBS and PBS use 1080i. So, does WFAA upconvert the ABC network feeds to 1080i since that's what WFAA transmits?

I've read many places that Fox and ABC use 720p, NBC CBS and PBS use 1080i. So, does WFAA upconvert the ABC network feeds to 1080i since that's what WFAA transmits?

It's a Belo thing....

Randy

We ended up not getting the spray-on barrier at this point, so I can't comment. The guy from EAS that came to give us an estimate said it wouldn't, but I'm skeptical. I may try to do foil myself (cheaper and more effective), some of which I already have.

I have the foil panels that were installed when I built the house, and they block everything signalwise. If you install the barrier, you might use a yagi (directional) type antenna in the attic and leave a small "hole" in the barrier for the signal to get through to the antenna.

I've read many places that Fox and ABC use 720p, NBC CBS and PBS use 1080i. So, does WFAA upconvert the ABC network feeds to 1080i since that's what WFAA transmits?
WFAA does convert the ABC network feed to 1080i. From what I was told by a WFAA engineer, the 1080i format was chosen because most of the equipment that was available when WFAA first went on the air with HD was only capable of 1080i. The newer stuff can do either format, but since a lot of that old equipment is still in use, it's easier to stick with 1080i for everything.

Coyoteaz where would a person get one of these locally. I'm looking at something indoor if all possible. Anyone have any idea/experience with the one from monoprice, model HDA-5700 (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10901&cs_id=1090102&p_id=4730&seq=1&format=1#largeimage)?

I posted this 2 months ago and decided to give the monoprice antenna a try.
I'm giving an update on my quest to getting an antenna.
Well I gave mono antenna a try and only received 20 channels without channel 8 and 11. This was mounted indoor with and without the power adaptor that came with the unit. So I decided to mount it outdoor without the power adaptor and it only received about 30 channels (and still didn't get channel 8 and 11). Now when I added the power adaptor it received 50 channels including channel 8 and 11 (all signal was strong).
I'm very happy and just want to say thank you for all the information.

I posted this 2 months ago and decided to give the monoprice antenna a try.
I'm giving an update on my quest to getting an antenna.
Well I gave mono antenna a try and only received 20 channels without channel 8 and 11. This was mounted indoor with and without the power adaptor that came with the unit. So I decided to mount it outdoor without the power adaptor and it only received about 30 channels (and still didn't get channel 8 and 11). Now when I added the power adaptor it received 50 channels including channel 8 and 11 (all signal was strong).
I'm very happy and just want to say thank you for all the information.What 50 Channels? I have the same antenna with preamp and nothing except for 4 and 23 and that's it. Should have sticked with radioshack.

What 50 Channels? I have the same antenna with preamp and nothing except for 4 and 23 and that's it. Should have sticked with radioshack.

Here is a list of channels:
Channel--------Sign--------Network--------Resolution
2.1-----------KDTN-DT------ IND------------ 480i
4.1-----------KDFW-DT------FOX------------ 720p
5.1-----------KXAS-HD-------NBC------------1080i
5.2-----------KXAS-WX------NBC------------- 480i
5.3-----------KXAS-US------ NBC--------------480i
8.1-----------WFAA-HD------ABC--------------1080i
8.2-----------WFAA-DT------ABC---------------480i
8.3-----------WFAA-DT------ABC---------------480i
11.1-----------KTVT-HD------CBS--------------1080i
13.1-----------KERA-HD-------PBS-------------1080i (s)
21.1-----------KTXA-DT-------IND-------------1080i
21.2-----------KTVT-TV------------------------480i
23.1-----------KUVN-DT-------UNI--------------480i (s)
27.1-----------KDFI-DT--------MYN-------------720p
29.1-----------KMPX-DT-------IND--------------480i (s)
31.1-----------K31GL-D-------------------------480i
31.2-----------K31GL-D-------------------------480i (s)
31.3-----------K31GL-D-------------------------480i
31.4-----------K31GL-D-------------------------480i
33.1-----------KDAF-DT--------CW-------------1080i
33.2-----------LATV-----------------------------480i (s)
34.1-----------KJJM-LD--------------------------480i
34.2-----------KJJM-LD--------------------------480i (s)
34.3-----------KJJM-LD--------------------------480i
34.4-----------KJJM-LD--------------------------480i
39.1-----------KXTX-DT-------TEL--------------1080i (s)
39.2-----------KXTX-SD-------TEL--------------480i (s)
47.1-----------KTAQ-DT-------IND--------------480i
49.1-----------KSTR-DT--------TEL-------------480i (s)
50.1-----------KATA-CA-------------------------480i
50.2-----------KATA-CA-------------------------480i (s)
50.3-----------KATA-CA-------------------------480i (s)
50.4-----------KATA-CA-------------------------480i
51.1-----------KHFD-LD--------------------------480i
52.1-----------KFWD-TC-------IND---------------480i
54.1-----------KLDT-DT--------IND---------------480i
58.1-----------KDTX-D1--------IND---------------480i
58.2-----------KDTX-D2--------IND---------------480i
58.3-----------KDTX-D3--------IND---------------480i
58.4-----------KDTX-D4--------IND---------------480i
58.5-----------KDTX-D5--------IND---------------480i
61.1-----------KPFW-LD--------------------------480i (s)
61.2-----------KPFW-LD--------------------------480i (s)
61.3-----------KPFW-LD--------------------------480i
61.4-----------KPFW-LD--------------------------480i
68.1-----------KPXD-DT---------ION--------------720p (s)
68.2-----------KPXD-DT---------QUBO------------480i
68.3-----------KPXD-DT--------ION LIFE----------480i
68.4-----------KPXD-DT--------WORSHIP----------480i

Here is a list of channels:
Channel--------Sign--------Network--------Resolution
51.1-----------KFXK-DT--------------------------480i


Are you sure this is KFXK? I suspect this is actually KHFD-LD from Royse City. It's has a signal that's aimed right at Mesquite. See the information on the station here: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?facid=127785

Are you sure this is KFXK? I suspect this is actually KHFD-LD from Royse City. It's has a signal that's aimed right at Mesquite. See the information on the station here: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?facid=127785

I believe you are right arnold. Going back on my notes it appears that I over look and wrote the wrong sign. Thanks for the correction.

Edit the orignal post.

What 50 Channels? I have the same antenna with preamp and nothing except for 4 and 23 and that's it. Should have sticked with radioshack.

What is your antenna and preamp?
In Decatur I would for sure be outside with the antenna. There is a ridge that if you go past your city you drop off and that is where your signals meet Dirt.

Also you should remove the coax from the back of the set and scann. Then hook it back and scan. Set might be confused.

We get remotes out of Decatur but have a 50' mast and a gain antenna.
I am not sure we have been there since June 12th to ck for DT reception.
JStigler

Not sure if this should go here or not, but I thought I'd ask: Anyone here know if RFD and/or RFD-HD are coming to the Dallas Time Warner system? My parents are looking for it and it looks like every TWC system except LA and Dallas have added it to their HD Premium ($6.99) tier. Any reason why Dallas is left out or hasn't yet added it?

Look like CBS 11 is increasing their signal strength tomorrow. I started hear commercials on the radio about rescanning on the way home.

http://cbs11tv.com/press/digital.signal.strength.2.1102966.html

Look like CBS 11 is increasing their signal strength tomorrow. I started hear commercials on the radio about rescanning on the way home.

http://cbs11tv.com/press/digital.signal.strength.2.1102966.html

Not a power increase, they're activating on UHF-19. See post #5125.

Not sure if this should go here or not, but I thought I'd ask: Anyone here know if RFD and/or RFD-HD are coming to the Dallas Time Warner system? My parents are looking for it and it looks like every TWC system except LA and Dallas have added it to their HD Premium ($6.99) tier. Any reason why Dallas is left out or hasn't yet added it?

not at this time. They are planning to add more hd this year but no time frame according to my twc source.

also RFD HD is not in HD

Well after re-scanning at 11:00 AM as per KTVT11-KTXA21 banners have been telling viewers to do, I just completed the first of 2 TVs, 3 DTV boxes and one DTVPal DVR, and as of 11:10 AM Ch 11 is still on VHF. Kind of a pain and time consuming re-scanning all my receivers and deleting all the unwanted channels. Guess I will try it again in an hour or two.

What is your antenna and preamp?
In Decatur I would for sure be outside with the antenna. There is a ridge that if you go past your city you drop off and that is where your signals meet Dirt.

Also you should remove the coax from the back of the set and scann. Then hook it back and scan. Set might be confused.

We get remotes out of Decatur but have a 50' mast and a gain antenna.
I am not sure we have been there since June 12th to ck for DT reception.
JStiglerRadioshack VU-90 and a cable wire no preamp. It usually does pretty good during tropo got KADN-16 out of Lafayette, LA this morning.

CBS 11 had a malfunction with its EAS saying there was a earthquake warning... epic fail.

While I was at WDBJ, we got an EAS test about an avalanche warning. And I worked there during May, June, and July of this summer.

- Trip

Regarding CBS 11:

Looks like they have both their VHF 11 and UHF 19 up and running. On my Dish VIP 211 and 622 I can manually go to 11 or 19 and get a signal. I do see that 19 is much stronger. I wonder how long they will keep both going?

Looks like they have both their VHF 11 and UHF 19 up and running. On my Dish VIP 211 and 622 I can manually go to 11 or 19 and get a signal. I do see that 19 is much stronger. I wonder how long they will keep both going?
Yeah... The rescan on one of my set top boxes found both and put both in the channel lineup. Very confusing! Fortunately I was able to figure out which was which and delete the one on VHF.

Yeah... The rescan on one of my set top boxes found both and put both in the channel lineup. Very confusing! Fortunately I was able to figure out which was which and delete the one on VHF.On my DTVPal DVR it goes right to the translator channel, 70-01.

On my DTVPal DVR it goes right to the translator channel, 70-01.

My DTVPal converter box does the same thing and I can't get at the stronger channel. Guess we'll just have to wait until they turn off the RF11 broadcasting. Anyone know when that's supposed to be?

Mike

Wonder how long it will take WFAA to get with the cool kids on UHF? KTVT got a rude awakening with lost viewers on VHF & fixed that pronto.

You're going to be waiting a really long time. It's 54-2 that's supposed to have RTV. :D

- Trip

ok when is 54-2 is comming?? is it up??? wiki said is it is up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLDT. and rtv.com said it on 3-1.http://www.myretrotv.com/programming.html and is there more digital station comming soon??? and for real i hope there another cartoon channel comming soon..cuz that bs of qubo is really lame man. and when is .2 network is comming??? is ch.11 havin more sub-station? cuz on my c-box i can get 19-2 and so on.can anybody tell me why do i have 2 channel 11-1??

Just finished wall mounting my CM 3020HD antenna with a CM Spartan 3 preamp on top of a 20 foot mast. I'm located north-east of Mckinney past the airport which puts me at a range of 49-51ish miles according to antennaweb and tvfool. Sitting at the top of a hill probably plays a factor too.

We dumped DirecTV simply because we weren't watching $100 worth of programming a month to justify the cost. Netflix and other online streaming sources on the HTPC will take care of our needs just fine.

We are rather new to the whole OTA scene, so I kept telling my wife "I offer no guarantees!" We hooked everything up yesterday and scanned nearly channels. I get all of the major channels and really couldn't be happier with the signal quality. No signal splitting so it's all going to one 1080p TV.

One thing I noticed is that 4-1's color saturation seemed a bit rich when compared to 5-1, but it was crystal clear. I also couldn't figure out why I was seeing two 11-1 feeds but now from reading the comments here I understand they are UHF and VHF. I couldn't really tell any difference between the two, and once I can figure out whichj one is the VHF signal, I'll delete it.

Overall I'm very happy with it, and learned quite a bit just from browsing the avsforums, thanks.

Does anyone know why KERA never shows Austin City Limits?

Does anyone know why KERA never shows Austin City Limits?

They do sometimes when they can work it in between pledge drives.

It's usually on Thursdays at 10 PM.

Never have understood their logic not showing it when it airs on PBS Sat nights.

From KERA's website:

last airdate:
* Thursday, August 06 — 10:00pm
13.1 - KERA

I'd decided that KERA is about the worst PBS station I've ever come across. Horrible HD quality, funky schedule, terrible programming, and constant pledge drives. Seriously, it seems like almost every weeknight they are showing crappy doowop retrospectives or self-help seminars.

So what's the deal with KTVT? I know they moved to 19 but I'm seeing two 11.1s. Are they still broadcasting on 11? When do they plan on turning off 11, or will they be on both from now-on?

KTVT/KTXA have to wait for the FCC to approve permanent moves to 19/29. Right now, they're running on special temporary authority.

So what's the deal with KTVT? I know they moved to 19 but I'm seeing two 11.1s. Are they still broadcasting on 11? When do they plan on turning off 11, or will they be on both from now-on?

The STA filed jointly by KTVT and KTXA requested that KTVT ``continue to broadcast on its assigned frequency (channel 11) while simultaneously operating on channel 19, the post-transition frequency assigned to its sister station, KTXA.'' On 4 AUG 2009, KTXA vacated channel 19, moving back to 18, thus making way for KTVT.

The document on file with the FCC does not specify an end date for the simultaneous operation. Ultimately, at some point in the future and if approval is granted, channel 11 will be deleted from the table of allocations for Ft. Worth with channel 29 assigned to that community. Should that proposal become a reality, then KTXA will move from its current facility on 18 to 29, KTVT will remain on 19 and channel 11 will be unoccupied.

Refer to the following URL for the rationale and the proposal:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-1595A1.pdf

EDIT: Sorry coyoteaz -- I was still composing my reply when yours was posted.

I just found this list, and spent some time this evening reading the last couple of weeks worth of posts. I didn't find what I was looking for. So, hopefully I'm not beating a dead horse...but:
I have an antenna sticking out of my roof, and that is how I get my TV signals. The only channels (that I WANT to get) that I don't receive are 8-1, 8-2 and 8-3. This if truly dismaying because most of the time, I watch the WFAA news and ABC World News.
When 'the big switch' happened - I lost channels 8 and 11. Everything else came in. Then I found out about 21-2 - which was channel 11. Now, 11 has moved 'back' to 11 - and my top-box was able to find that.
Shortly after 'the big switch' I somehow was able to tune the WFAA channels in to my receiver. And then...I lost them. All I got was a 'No Signal' message on the screen. I made the mistake then of rescanning - and all the '8' channels are gone. This was about three weeks ago. I try rescanning about every other day, and I just can't get WFAA to tune in.
I live in Carrollton. I have a clear path south with no huge buildings or power lines nearby.
Is this MY problem - or WFAA's? Or a little of both? Are others having the problem? Are there any resolutions?
Is there someone - a real person, with an email - or even snailmail - address that I can contact at WFAA to plead for a more powerful signal?

I have an antenna sticking out of my roof, and that is how I get my TV signals. The only channels (that I WANT to get) that I don't receive are 8-1, 8-2 and 8-3...


What kind of antenna? It needs to be designed for gain on VHF as well as UHF.

WFAA is already putting out 45kW which is pretty much "blowtorch" status in the world of high VHF DTV, so I wouldn't expect anything more from them. As ed_in_tx noted, you need an antenna designed for VHF reception in order to receive WFAA. Do you receive KFWD 52.1 (physical 9)? If so, it sounds like a tuner problem; if not, an antenna problem. If you can receive 52.1, unplug the antenna from your tuner, rescan, then plug it back in and scan again. This has magical powers for most tuners and will recover things if the internal memory gets messed up.

If you can't get 52.1, you might consider replacing the antenna. In Carrollton with a clear shot south, I'll stick with my default recommendation of the Winegard HD7694P.

WFAA is already putting out 45kW which is pretty much "blowtorch" status in the world of high VHF DTV.

KDFW is putting out 857kw with a CP for 1000kw. 45kw: not a lot of power. I understand the difference in the frequencies but that's a little weak IMO. Perhaps JStigler can weigh in on this.

I see that KDFW's license says they are still transmitting on 35. I thought they moved to 4 after the help loop stopped.

I will try the suggestion to unplug the antenna, rescan, and then try again.
My antenna is a Winegard MS2000 Metrostar Omnidirectional Amplified TV Antenna. VHF-54 to 88, 170 to 216 MHz, UHF-470 to 810 MHz. I thought it would be a good one for all the channels in the area when I bought it. Am I delusional?
I'll have to check if I get 52.1. I'm not sure what that channel broadcasts.

My antenna is a Winegard MS2000 Metrostar Omnidirectional Amplified TV.Is this it? Because according to SolidSignal, the range in miles is 10-45 miles, which is not a very good antenna. I am going with coyoteaz on this one. You may need a new antenna

KDFW is putting out 857kw with a CP for 1000kw. 45kw: not a lot of power. I understand the difference in the frequencies but that's a little weak IMO. Perhaps JStigler can weigh in on this.

No, 45 kW is very close to the FCC limit for channel 8. With the proper antenna, it is supposed to perform as well as a 1000 kW UHF. Whether that is true in the real world or not is another story, though evidence suggests that with a good outdoor VHF antenna and an absence of thunderstorms, this can be true.

- Trip

No, 45 kW is very close to the FCC limit for channel 8. With the proper antenna, it is supposed to perform as well as a 1000 kW UHF. Whether that is true in the real world or not is another story, though evidence suggests that with a good outdoor VHF antenna and an absence of thunderstorms, this can be true.

- Triplook at my earlier post just above your 10:10 post.

I will try the suggestion to unplug the antenna, rescan, and then try again.
My antenna is a Winegard MS2000 Metrostar Omnidirectional Amplified TV Antenna. Being an omnidirectional antenna it has no gain in any direction, only "gain" is from the amplifier. It will also be more sensitive to multipath signal reflections which can distort the signal. You will have superior results with a medium sized conventional directional antenna for VHF and UHF. Probably wouldn't need an amplifier unless you were splitting and going to several sets. I'm in Farmers Branch and get the VHF stations 8, 11 and 52 the strongest 90-100% with an old RadioShack antenna that's missing a couple of its longest elements up in my garage attic.

(I did notice when Ch 8 went from RF 9 to RF 8 on June 12, and as I understand went to a new circular polarization transmitter antenna, I lost about 8 to 10% of my signal strength on 8. When they were on RF 9 reception was always 100%.)

Being an omnidirectional antenna it has no gain in any direction, only "gain" is from the amplifier. It will also be more sensitive to multipath signal reflections which can distort the signal. You will have superior results with a medium sized conventional directional antenna for VHF and UHF. Probably wouldn't need an amplifier unless you were splitting and going to several sets. I'm in Farmers Branch and get the VHF stations 8, 11 and 52 the strongest 90-100% with an old RadioShack antenna that's missing a couple of its longest elements up in my garage attic.

(I did notice when Ch 8 went from RF 9 to RF 8 on June 12, and as I understand went to a new circular polarization transmitter antenna, I lost about 8 to 10% of my signal strength on 8. When they were on RF 9 reception was always 100%.)I agree with ed.

KDFW is putting out 857kw with a CP for 1000kw. 45kw: not a lot of power. I understand the difference in the frequencies but that's a little weak IMO. Perhaps JStigler can weigh in on this.

I see that KDFW's license says they are still transmitting on 35. I thought they moved to 4 after the help loop stopped.
You clearly don't understand the difference :). The max power for an analog high VHF station was 316kW, while UHF was 5000kW. That's nearly a 16x difference. Power levels can't be compared between bands.

KDFW remained on 35. You'd really see a lot of bitching on here if they had made a bonehead decision and gone back to 4. Low VHF is one place where DTV simply doesn't belong.

You clearly don't understand the difference :). The max power for an analog high VHF station was 316kW, while UHF was 5000kW. That's nearly a 16x difference. Power levels can't be compared between bands.

KDFW remained on 35. You'd really see a lot of bitching on here if they had made a bonehead decision and gone back to 4. Low VHF is one place where DTV simply doesn't belong.

If you ask me, all DTV belongs on UHF. It sure would help everyone antenna-wise. No need for a honking big VHF antenna for only one channel (WFAA).

I tried the suggestion to unplug the antenna and rescan the tuner - and WFAA was found. However, I cannot tune in 52. And WFAA is pretty pixelated. Not very watchable. (Pete Delkus never looked better!)
I looked at the suggested alternate antenna - Winegard HD7694P. And compared them at the SolidSignal site. The range for the HD7694P is 25 to 30 miles, for my MS2000 it's 10-45. The main reason I got the MS2000 was the notation on the website "Home Owners Association Friendly". (I will only briefly note my vast despite of HOA in general.)
The ranges of the two antennae overlap. Will making that change truly correct the problem?
Anybody have any opinions on the Winegard hd-1080?
Thanks for the useful advice, all.

Many of us are happy with a Channel Master 4228, which is $50 at Fry's. I initially posted back in 2006: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6825046#post6825046 . This antenna is currently split 3 ways, to 2 Dish DVRs and a DVD Recorder, without an amplifier.

The 7694 is directional, while the MS2000 isn't. The 25 mile rating on the 7694 is a bit conservative, while the 45 mile rating on the MS2000 is marketing BS. The HD1080 isn't directional on VHF and will tend to have similar problems with multipath. The CM4228 is no longer made, and the replacement 4228HD is a poor substitute.

FWIW, as long as you own your entire house (not having a shared roof like in a townhouse) or have the antenna installed in an exclusive-use area, you can pretty much tell the HOA to take a hike. They can't restrict antennas in any way that impedes reception or adds unreasonable cost or delays. The main restrictions allowed are on masts extending 12' over the roofline, safety issues (no antennas that can fall on power lines), and on officially recognized historic buildings.

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

Hopefully this is correct thread for my current issue. I'm able to get a clear picture for 11.1 (can't tune in 52.1), however, I have video/audio dropouts for one show in particular (Big Brother-Sun/Tu/Thur). As soon as a commercial comes on, the picture goes back to normal without any problems. Could this be a problem with the feed or possibly the tuner? The TV is an LG 32lh20 using rabbit ears.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Hopefully this is correct thread for my current issue. I'm able to get a clear picture for 11.1 (can't tune in 52.1), however, I have video/audio dropouts for one show in particular (Big Brother-Sun/Tu/Thur). As soon as a commercial comes on, the picture goes back to normal without any problems. Could this be a problem with the feed or possibly the tuner? The TV is an LG 32lh20 using rabbit ears.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

At the moment this may be a tricky one to figure out because there are temporarily 2 11.1 broadcast right now. One on RF11 and one on RF19. So if your TV provides a way to distinguish one from the other, try each one and see which one has the better/stronger signal. If you can't tell one from the other, then try using the numbers on the remote and just tuning directly to the RF channel number 19 or 11 (no dot or dash after 19 &/or 11). Odds are that the RF19 one will be stronger and better. I know it is for me.

BTW, RF is 'Radio(wave) Frequency' or broadcast frequency, the dotted channel numbers are 'virtual' numbers and are not necessarily indicative of the real frequency used to broadcast a given channel. If you're interested in how the RF channels map to the virtual channel numbers in our local market, checkout www.antennaweb.org or www.rabbitears.info.

Mike

Anybody have any opinions on the Winegard hd-1080?

This antenna is not a good choice for DFW. It is a 2 Bowtie UHF. It says VHF but the spec sheet is negative in the gain. So forget the HD-1080.
JStigler

At the moment this may be a tricky one to figure out because there are temporarily 2 11.1 broadcast right now. One on RF11 and one on RF19. So if your TV provides a way to distinguish one from the other, try each one and see which one has the better/stronger signal. If you can't tell one from the other, then try using the numbers on the remote and just tuning directly to the RF channel number 19 or 11 (no dot or dash after 19 &/or 11). Odds are that the RF19 one will be stronger and better. I know it is for me.

BTW, RF is 'Radio(wave) Frequency' or broadcast frequency, the dotted channel numbers are 'virtual' numbers and are not necessarily indicative of the real frequency used to broadcast a given channel. If you're interested in how the RF channels map to the virtual channel numbers in our local market, checkout www.antennaweb.org or www.rabbitears.info.

Mike


Thanks for the great info, Mike.

I was able to pick up RF 19 and you're correct. The signal strength is definitely an improvement. I'll report back when Big Brother shows on Sun.

Thanks again

Thanks to all the suggestions.
Today I am the proud owner of a HD7694P. Bought at Fry's. This store often has what I need, when I need it. But it is NOT a discount store!
Attached the new antenna to the old pole. (note to self - need longer pole... about 10 inches...) Didn't even have to rescan to get WFAA to come in crisp and clear. I did rescan - and there is the missing channel 52.1.
So. I have a nice Winegard MS2000 in perfect shape, free to a good home. Maybe it would work great for someone in south Dallas? Lancaster?
And, just for grins... I have a really large antenna that I'd be happy to have someone cart off. Brand name? Don't know. How big? Really can't remember exactly. I bought it at Fry's years ago. It's at least 12 ft. I think it's 15 ft. Maybe more. It really was the biggest (longest) that Fry's had at the time. It was/is inside the attic. And, it used to bring in every channel I could ever use. But...That aluminum sheeting radiant barrier that cut my electric bills by 30%... Well, it seems to get in the way fo the signal.
One more note. A single day after I registered for this site, I received a 'private' message. The message didn't try to answer my initial question. He just asked what my address was. I considered replying for, oh, half a nanosecond or so.

Thanks to all the suggestions.
Today I am the proud owner of a HD7694P. Didn't even have to rescan to get WFAA to come in crisp and clear. I did rescan - and there is the missing channel 52.1.
So. I have a nice Winegard MS2000 in perfect shape, free to a good home. Maybe it would work great for someone in south Dallas? Lancaster?

Congratulations! Curious how long is the boom length front to back?



You could offer the MS2000 on Craig's List to someone in Cedar Hill, Red Oak, S Dallas, etc...

Was wondering if anyone was having problems with KXAS signal strength? Been giving me problems on all my sets, which is unusual. All other channels are fine. Thanks for any input. Mark.

Was wondering if anyone was having problems with KXAS signal strength? Been giving me problems on all my sets, which is unusual. All other channels are fine. Thanks for any input. Mark.

No problems here, signal is the same as usual, about 85-90% in NW Dallas.


Thanks to all the suggestions.
Today I am the proud owner of a HD7694P... After looking at it some more, I just ordered one from Solid Signal to try out. I'll swap out my ChannelMaster amplified "StealthTenna" I have up feeding a couple of bedroom sets and see how it compares. The Stealth works OK on all channels, but signal isn't near 100% on most channels, and is sensitive to airplane flyover and storms. I prefer a non-amplified passive antenna with some gain, and the 7694 has nice gain specs on the channels I am concerned with, plus it's compact. Probably won't work very well on Ch 3.1 though, the Jewelry Channel. To which I say, who cares, if they are dumb enough to put up a low power DTV station on Ch 3.

No problems here, signal is the same as usual, about 85-90% in NW Dallas.

Weird. I think it must be a multi-path issue. I re-aimed the antenna (CM4221) about 20 degrees away from where it should be pointed and I've got it where it's watchable. May be the neighbor's trees? Strange though, I get near 100% on all the other channels, but KXAS is up and down all over the place, 100% down to 0%. Whatever it is it's something that's changed recently. Thanks for your input Ed. Mark.

Curmudjunly:
I am glade you did the right thing and got a real antenna. Now if you will do a scan with NO Antenna and then repeat with the antenna I be you get 52.1 The set is just confused. This will also straighten out KTVT. Today you will get two 11.1 and the second one is UHF RF Ch19.
JStigler

Marks1060 :
Check 39-1 as compaired to 5-1. They are on the same tower. The real RF Channels are 40 & 41. There is also an RF ch39 there that may be 54-1 or 55-1 but is less power.
JStigler

Marks1060 :
Check 39-1 as compaired to 5-1. They are on the same tower. The real RF Channels are 40 & 41. There is also an RF ch39 there that may be 54-1 or 55-1 but is less power.
JStigler

Thanks, that's a good idea I hadn't thought of. I delete 39.1 from my channel list. Just checked and 39.1 is 100% though. KXAS is too this morning. 100% and stable. If the problem recurs I may look into getting a more directional antenna.

There is also an RF ch39 there that may be 54-1 or 55-1 but is less power.
JStigler

RF-39 is KLDT, licensed to Lake Dallas, branded as virtual channel 54. Ultimately, KLDT will operate with a megawatt but currently, per an STA (BDSTA-20090619ABN), the ERP is 126.0 kW at 494 meters from the Tar Road site.

if they are dumb enough to put up a low power DTV station on Ch 3.I'd have to agree, who would be dumb enough to put a low power on 3 when they no one will receive it? The largest watt bulb is 100 watts. KHPK is only running off of 3 light bulbs!(this is only a comparison they are not running off of 3 light bulbs.) 3!! Why couldn't they put it on a nice Hi-VHF or UHF station which they could have more KW's, not just 3 freakin' light bulbs!

I'd have to agree, who would be dumb enough to put a low power on 3 when they no one will receive it? The largest watt bulb is 100 watts. KHPK is only running off of 3 light bulbs!(this is only a comparison they are not running off of 3 light bulbs.) 3!! Why couldn't they put it on a nice Hi-VHF or UHF station which they could have more KW's, not just 3 freakin' light bulbs!

I can receive that "3 light bulb" signal in Plano most of the time -- and I'm over 30 miles from their tower.

But the reason why KHPK-LD is on channel 3 is that it was one of the few open channels available last year when the FCC opened a filing window for low power digital companion channels. They didn't have the option of Hi-VHF or UHF.

But considering the reception problems that most people are having with this station, they'd probably be well served to make channel 28 (their current analog channel) their permanent digital home.

Condescending posts removed. Keep it civil. And clean.

Found a subchannel on KERA finally.

Found a subchannel on KERA finally.


Cool. I was not aware of this. I'd rather they actually show more programming in HD, but still possibly good news.

They've been sitting around waiting to launch 1-2 subchannels for at least a year now. I think the plans were for World and Create, but I'm not positive.

They've been sitting around waiting to launch 1-2 subchannels for at least a year now. I think the plans were for World and Create, but I'm not positive.
So with all that extra programming capacity, you reckon I'll get Motorweek, Nightly Business Report, Soundstage, and Austin City Limits on a reliable schedule..? Nah, I doubt it, after all it's KERA.

World runs NBR weeknights at 11PM ET. Can't speak for any of the other programs.

- Trip

so is 13-2 is up..is it world or create?

ok it's world

ok it's world1 more sub just popped up, KERA DF 13.3 making this the official 40th channel I receive! But is compressed as hell and sounds like K31GL on 13.3.

Is 13-3 Create? You can tell Create because it has a big logo in the corner and PQ like a VHS tape, or so I'm told.

- Trip

Fellow computer-oriented folks will appreciate the laugh I'm having that this is post 8086 for me. :)

Is 13-3 Create? You can tell Create because it has a big logo in the corner and PQ like a VHS tape, or so I'm told.

- Trip

Fellow computer-oriented folks will appreciate the laugh I'm having that this is post 8086 for me. :)No the commercials are just the same as 13.2 on 13.3

maybe tomorrow it will be create...i wonder will there be 13-4....there world,next one have to be create,and if they bring another sub ch. it have to be pbs kids. are we going to be like pbs in nyc?

I'd expect to see V-Me long before a PBS Kids sub. PBS Kids is not a national channel and has to be locally programmed. V-Me comes off the satellite dish like World and Create and targets the Spanish-language audience in the area.

- Trip

I'd expect to see V-Me long before a PBS Kids sub. PBS Kids is not a national channel and has to be locally programmed. V-Me comes off the satellite dish like World and Create and targets the Spanish-language audience in the area.

- TripI agree, we also have a large amount of people from mexican descent in Texas too. We'll probably end up like KWBU 34 in Waco.

As if we didn't have enough Spanish stations in the market already :rolleyes:. KERA is really going to look like crap if they cram a third SD subchannel on there. They're using pretty much the oldest HD encoder in existence, with no plans to upgrade it to something that isn't a fossil. Even if they did upgrade, 1 HD + 3 SD still wouldn't be particularly enjoyable to watch.

Yes, one HD plus three SD would be ridiculous. They just don't seem to care about quality.

i wish we have good dtv channels in cali.is there more new stations commin north dallas? can anybody get 54-2 aka RTV? have anybody heard of dot 2 network? and when does it come out?

Kera has not put fulltime programming on 13.3 so it could be create or V-me.

Kera has not put fulltime programming on 13.3 so it could be create or V-me.KERA is on its way to becoming an actual station that keeps its promises! (unlike KLDT promising RTV.) And by the way KTAQ lost the -DT suffix just like WFAA did.

I'm sure there's an answer for this, and my cynical side already knows, but I have to ask: Why in the world do we have SO MANY infomercial channels? Do they really generate such staggering amounts of money that the owners can afford to operate a 24x7 broadcast system complete with paying at least one engineer per area to keep the silly things going along with power, equipment, tower lease, etc? If not, what's the end game, if any? RF-real-estate flipping?

DTV must have been a boon to some of these "networks" because now they have three or four streams of commercials, where before they only had one. I guess I'm just slightly annoyed because I hear about other markets where it's entirely possible to dump pay TV (with the usual exception for sports; thanks FSSW/KDFI/KTXA) because the newly-forming digital landscape has been richly developed. Of course, it's entirely possible some (all?) of these reports are embellished, though I can't help but wonder.

is the funimation network comming to dallas,tx? man NYC and LA dtv station is nice.

I have assumed that all HD-capable MyN stations are in 720p unless told otherwise.

#000 Market Name, State
MAP- DT.N RESOL -CALLS- -HOURS- NETWORK

#001 New York City, New York
02-1 56.1 1080i WCBS-DT ------- CBS
04-1 28.1 1080i WNBC-DT ------- NBC
04-2 28.2 480i- ....... ------- WeatherPlus
04-4 28.3 480i- ....... ------- Local "RawBuzz"
05-1 44.1 720p- WNYW-DT ------- FOX
05-2 44.2 480i- ....... ------- MyN
07-1 45.1 720p- WABC-DT ------- ABC
07-2 45.2 480i- ....... ------- News
07-3 45.3 480i- ....... ------- AccuWeather
09-1 38.1 720p- WWOR-DT ------- MyN
09-2 38.2 480i- ....... ------- FOX
11-1 33.1 1080i WPIX-DT ------- CW-
11-2 33.2 480i- ....... ------- ???
13-1 61.1 1080i WNET-DT ------- PBS
13-2 61.2 480i- ....... ------- PBS Kids
13-3 61.3 480i- ....... ------- V-Me
21-2 22.1 480i- WLIW-DT ------- PBS
21-3 22.2 480i- ....... ------- PBS Create
21-4 22.3 480i- ....... ------- PBS World
25-1 24.1 480i- WNYE-DT ------- Ethnic/Educational
25-2 24.2 480i- ....... ------- Traffic Cameras
29-1 29.1 480i- WFME-DT ------- Religious
29-2 29.2 480i- ....... ------- ???
31-1 30.1 480i- WPXN-DT ------- ION
31-2 30.2 480i- ....... ------- Qubo
31-3 30.3 480i- ....... ------- ION Life
31-4 30.4 480i- ....... ------- Worship.Net
41-1 40.1 480i- WXTV-DT ------- Univision
43-1 42.1 480i- WSAH-DT ------- Ethnic
47-1 36.1 480i- WNJU-DT ------- Telemundo
48-1 48.1 480i- WRNN-DT ------- Infomercials/News
48-3 48.2 480i- ....... ------- FUNimation
49-1 52.1 1080i WEDW-DT ------- PBS
49-2 52.2 480i- ....... ------- ???
49-3 52.3 480i- ....... ------- ???
49-4 52.4 480i- ....... ------- ???
50-1 51.1 480i- WNJN-DT ------- PBS
50-3 51.2 480i- ....... 12m-08p APB
50-4 51.3 480i- ....... ------- Independent "Jersey Vision"
50-5 51.4 1080i ....... 08p-12m PBS-HD
54-1 27.1 480i- WTBY-DT ------- TBN
54-2 27.2 480i- ....... ------- Church Channel
54-3 27.3 480i- ....... ------- JCTV
54-4 27.4 480i- ....... ------- Enlace USA
54-5 27.5 480i- ....... ------- Smile of a Child
55-1 57.1 480i- WLNY-DT ------- Independent
58-1 08.1 480i- WNJB-DT ------- PBS
58-3 08.2 480i- ....... 12m-08p APB
58-4 08.3 480i- ....... ------- Independent "Jersey Vision"
58-5 08.4 1080i ....... 08p-12m PBS-HD
63-1 18.1 480i- WMBC-DT ------- Ethnic
63-2 18.2 480i- ....... ------- Ethnic
63-3 18.3 480i- ....... ------- Ethnic
63-4 18.4 480i- ....... ------- Ethnic
67-1 23.1 480i- WFTY-DT ------- TeleFutura
68-1 53.1 480i- WFUT-DT ------- TeleFutura

#002 Los Angeles, California
02-1 60.1 1080i KCBS-DT ------- CBS
04-1 36.1 1080i KNBC-DT ------- NBC
04-2 36.2 480i- ....... ------- WeatherPlus
04-3 36.3 480i- ....... ------- Local "RawBuzz"
05-1 31.1 1080i KTLA-DT ------- CW-
07-1 53.1 720p- KABC-DT ------- ABC
07-2 53.2 480i- ....... ------- News
07-3 53.3 480i- ....... ------- AccuWeather
08-1 08.1 480i- KFLA-LD ------- America One
08-2 08.2 480i- ....... ------- Cornerstone Religious
09-1 43.1 1080i KCAL-DT ------- Independent
11-1 65.1 720p- KTTV-DT ------- FOX
13-1 66.1 720p- KCOP-DT ------- MyN
18-1 61.1 480i- KSCI-DT ------- Asian
18-2 61.2 480i- ....... ------- Armenian
22-1 42.1 1080i KWHY-DT ------- Spanish Independent
22-2 42.2 480i- ....... ------- Spanish Independent
23-1 23.1 480i- KVMD-DT ------- Almavision
23-2 23.2 480i- ....... ------- Korean (KXLA)
23-3 23.3 480i- ....... ------- LATV (KJLA)
24-1 26.1 720p- KVCR-DT ------- PBS-HD
24-2 26.2 480i- ....... ------- PBS
24-3 26.3 480i- ....... ------- PBS (for Palm Springs)
24-4 26.4 480i- ....... ------- PBS Create
28-1 59.1 720p- KCET-DT ------- PBS
28-2 59.2 480i- ....... ------- PBS "KCET-OC"
28-3 59.3 480i- ....... ------- V-Me
28-4 59.4 480i- ....... ------- PBS World
30-1 38.1 480i- KPXN-DT ------- ION
30-2 38.2 480i- ....... ------- Qubo
30-3 38.3 480i- ....... ------- ION Life
30-4 38.4 480i- ....... ------- Worship.Net
34-1 35.1 480i- KMEX-DT ------- Univision
40-1 23.1 480i- KTBN-DT ------- TBN
40-2 23.2 480i- ....... ------- Church Channel
40-3 23.3 480i- ....... ------- JCTV
40-4 23.4 480i- ....... ------- Enlace USA
40-5 23.5 480i- ....... ------- Smile of a Child
44-1 51.1 480i- KXLA-DT ------- Korean
44-2 51.2 480i- ....... ------- Almavision (KVMD)
46-1 29.1 480i- KFTR-DT ------- TeleFutura
50-1 48.1 1080i KOCE-DT ------- PBS-HD
50-2 48.2 480i- ....... ------- "OC Channel"
50-3 48.3 480i- ....... ------- Daystar Religious
50-4 48.4 480i- ....... ------- PBS
52-1 39.1 1080i KVEA-DT ------- Telemundo
52-2 39.2 480i- ....... ------- Telemundo
54-1 47.1 480i- KAZA-DT ------- Azteca America
56-1 32.1 1080i KDOC-DT ------- Independent
56-2 32.2 480i- ....... ------- Independent
56-3 32.3 480i- ....... -------
57-1 49.1 480i- KJLA-DT ------- LATV
57-2 49.2 480i- ....... ------- Korean (KXLA)
57-3 49.3 480i- ....... ------- Almavision (KVMD)
57-4 49.4 480i- ....... ------- LATV
58-1 41.1 480i- KLCS-DT ------- PBS
58-2 41.2 480i- ....... ------- PBS Kids
58-3 41.3 480i- ....... ------- PBS Create
58-4 41.4 480i- ....... ------- APB
62-1 68.1 480i- KRCA-DT ------- Asian
62-2 68.2 480i- ....... ------- Audio (Source Unknown)
63-1 24.1 480i- KBEH-DT ------- MTV tr3s
64-1 44.1 480i- KHIZ-DT ------- A1

That's a really old list. FUNimation shut down a while ago.

- Trip

oh..how strong of the signal of 54-2 in your area?

how long ago??

That's a really old list. FUNimation shut down a while ago.

- Trip

how long ago??

I don't have an exact date, though I want to say it vanished from WRNN a number of months ago. I know it had been gone a while when I visited the area at the end of June.

- Trip

Does anyone know when RTV will be on 54.2?

Does anyone know when RTV will be on 54.2?

you gettin signal from that station??

I don't have an exact date, though I want to say it vanished from WRNN a number of months ago. I know it had been gone a while when I visited the area at the end of June.

- Trip

hmmm...man i was hope that network was comming to dallas...a 24 hour anime network in dallas...cartoon network animes is weak right now.

you gettin signal from that station??

Yeah but not 54.2

Yeah but not 54.2

same here

is anybody gettin 54-2??

There is no 54.2 yet. Go call Johnson Broadcasting (owner of KLDT) if you're that anxious to see it. (713)974-5151

Anyone with DirecTV seeing freezing and audio glitches with Fox 4 in prime time? It's not signal strength related (my signals on the spotbeams are at 100). My guess is the "splicer" is causing problems again, that screw up the DirecTV MPEG-2 to MPEG-4 encoders.

1 more sub just popped up, KERA DF 13.3 making this the official 40th channel I receive! But is compressed as hell and sounds like K31GL on 13.3.

This is really weird because I sent an email to KERA a couple of weeks ago asking were they ever going to put any programming on their sub channels on 13, with a lot of markets that have PBS programming on the sub channels KERA seems like the only one that was behind. They said they would put programming on them in the near future which I thought in the back of mind it would take them about 5 or 10 years to do this. Who would imagine they would put programming on 13.2 (and hopefully 13.3 & 13.4) this soon especially after I sent an email asking about this. As slow as KERA jumping on the bandwagon as far as digital glad to see they're somewhat moving in the right direction.

1 more sub just popped up, KERA DF 13.3 making this the official 40th channel I receive! But is compressed as hell and sounds like K31GL on 13.3.
You mean it has a dead Left audio channel like 31.3 (or had, since there's no current activity on 13.3)?

This is really weird because I sent an email to KERA a couple of weeks ago asking were they ever going to put any programming on their sub channels on 13, with a lot of markets that have PBS programming on the sub channels KERA seems like the only one that was behind. They said they would put programming on them in the near future which I thought in the back of mind it would take them about 5 or 10 years to do this. Who would imagine they would put programming on 13.2 (and hopefully 13.3 & 13.4) this soon especially after I sent an email asking about this. As slow as KERA jumping on the bandwagon as far as digital glad to see they're somewhat moving in the right direction.

As far as I (and many others) are concerned this is the WRONG direction. Every useless subchannel crammed into the available bandwidth screws up the quality of the primary HD channel.

Anyone else disappointed at the terrible job KTVT is doing on the Cowboys preseason games? Other CBS O&Os do great HD presentations for the Jets (WCBS) and the Patriots (WBZ), but we get VHS-quality widescreen SD. Also an FYI to whoever put together the graphics package, your stuff isn't 4:3-safe: the visiting team's logo and the down and distance are maimed on the 4:3 centercuts used by various cable and satellite providers.

Jmtv jones mobile tv truck. Never heard of them. 16x9 standard def. El cheapo

Confused...is the Cowboys game in HD? It doesn't look like it, but the 11 logo says HD. DTV is not showing HD in the menu. Any reason it would not be shown in HD?

Anyone else disappointed at the terrible job KTVT is doing on the Cowboys preseason games? Other CBS O&Os do great HD presentations for the Jets (WCBS) and the Patriots (WBZ), but we get VHS-quality widescreen SD. Also an FYI to whoever put together the graphics package, your stuff isn't 4:3-safe: the visiting team's logo and the down and distance are maimed on the 4:3 centercuts used by various cable and satellite providers.

Yes, this is terrible quality on 11 (KTVT). Same thing on 51 (KFXK). :mad:

Anyone else disappointed at the terrible job KTVT is doing on the Cowboys preseason games? Other CBS O&Os do great HD presentations for the Jets (WCBS) and the Patriots (WBZ), but we get VHS-quality widescreen SD. Also an FYI to whoever put together the graphics package, your stuff isn't 4:3-safe: the visiting team's logo and the down and distance are maimed on the 4:3 centercuts used by various cable and satellite providers.

The game was not produced by KTVT. It was produced by the Dallas Cowboys. Had it been produced by KTVT, you can bet CBS would have had a good crew with real HD in place.

Interesting. Add the Steelers (KDKA) to the list of NFL teams farming out production to the local CBS O&O. Wonder why the 'boys choose to do a crappy in-house SD production when almost every other team in the league did home and away coverage in HD, either in-house or farmed out to a local station or RSN. No money left after blowing it all on the new stadium?

Interesting. Add the Steelers (KDKA) to the list of NFL teams farming out production to the local CBS O&O. Wonder why the 'boys choose to do a crappy in-house SD production when almost every other team in the league did home and away coverage in HD, either in-house or farmed out to a local station or RSN. No money left after blowing it all on the new stadium?

No, they show crappy HD so you'll want to pay more to go to that new fancy stadium. ;)

There is no 54.2 yet. Go call Johnson Broadcasting (owner of KLDT) if you're that anxious to see it. (713)974-5151

they got an email address??

Probably, but not published in any obvious place on their website. Those emails usually end up unanswered in the bin anyway. Phone calls made during business hours are harder to ignore.

Over the past weekend (28 AUG 2009), a number of things were observed:

1). KTVT's RF-19 was off early Sunday morning starting at 0200. RF-11 remained on during this time.

2). Later on Sunday morning, KFWD's signal dropped from a solid, steady reading of 94 to 64-67 and has remained at a low signal strength since that time.

3). KDTN, KTAQ and KDTX were all off early this Monday morning (circa 0100).

KFWD has a CP to upgrade to 55 kW from its licensed 13 kW. KTVT/KTXA may be getting ready for the changes to be approved as cited in NPRM DA-09-1595. Finances permitting, KLDT will eventually be moving from 2133 Tar Road (where KDTN, KTAQ and KDTX are located) to 1200 West Belt Line, where it will upgrade to a full megawatt.

Are there tower crews working on pending projects at Cedar Hill or other transmitter work going on?

I have been following this thread a little bit, but being an apartment dweller in the past with no choice on dish service or cable, I have been using OTA only. Now I am in a house and looking at service here in Ft Worth. I am pretty familiar with PQ of the dish guys, but how are charter and Uverse coming along? I obviously need internet so I was sort of leaning to either one of them, to have it in the same bill. Is the PQ similar enough that I can shop on price and packages? Or do I need to go one way specifically because of the quality? Thanks for any input.

Eliminate Charter right off. Lousy HD lineup, awful support, and a bankrupt company with no money to improve things.

U-verse is accepted as having the worst PQ around, but they also have more HD channels and some useful features like multi-room DVR. If you're watching on smaller TVs, you probably won't notice the difference, but if you've got a 52"+ TV, you might want to look to DirecTV.

The math in OET Bulletin 69 is beyond my pay grade. So, I'm hoping that an engineer or scholar lurking here can explain certain aspects of it in more approachable terms in light of what's occurring now as I compose this.

The skip happens to be exceptionally strong this morning from Waco/Temple/Marlin. Because the bearing from my home to Cedar Hill and also to that market is 194-degrees in both cases, two D/FW co-channel facilities are getting swamped with interference, KTAQ from KNCT (merely 114 miles apart on RF-46) and KFWD from KCEN (a scant 92 miles of separation on RF-9). As a result, neither of these stations are being captured at present. Ordinarily, they both show signal strengths > 90%.

1). From what I have discerned, atmospheric conditions (ducting, tropo and E-Skip) play no bearing in the Longley-Rice methodology. Is that right?

2). Likewise, distance between existing co-channel facilities is also irrelevant so long as the 50/90 rule is met and the computer models show <= 0.5% interference. Is that also correct?

Consequently, is is true that on occasions such as this, KTAQ and KFWD have no recourse but to accept the lossage due to atmospheric or weather-related phenomena?

As far as I know: Yes, yes, and yes.

- Trip

In layman's terms, what exactly is a ``Full Service Mask'' that I occasionally see specified in FCC applications? Notably the recent filing for KHFD/51 to relocate from Royce City to Cedar Hill cites this mask as a requirement.

I've examined ``IEEE P1631/D3'' from the RF Standards Committee G-2.2 for information but I lack the math smrats [sic] to understand it. Is it a transmission line filter or a device on the transmitting antenna?

has anybody notice that 31.2 and 31.3 had not come up in awhile? i mean the signal very good...but there is no pictures....and you know 13.3..my tv said it 's a hidden channel...what that mean??

-3 is off air because TheCoolTV canceled operations on K31GL

I will be doing a little Antenna work for my daughter in Dallas in a couple of weeks.

While up there this weekend I noticed station 11-1 (local CBS), was coming in on both RF 11 and RF 19. The RF 19 was a little bit stronger.

I assume one of the RFs will be turned off soon? Or is some sort of temporary testing? Anybody have the skinny on this?

Thanks.

I will be doing a little Antenna work for my daughter in Dallas in a couple of weeks.

While up there this weekend I noticed station 11-1 (local CBS), was coming in on both RF 11 and RF 19. The RF 19 was a little bit stronger.

I assume one of the RFs will be turned off soon? Or is some sort of temporary testing? Anybody have the skinny on this?


As has happened in other markets KTVT experienced viewer loss (57% in the OTA breakout) when they returned to VHF (RF-11) on 12 JUN 2009 (from RF-19). CBS has filed to return to UHF on the pre-transition channel 19 allotment. During the interim, KTVT is simulcasting on both channels.

Should the CBS petition be granted, only two VHFs will remain in the D/FW market: WFAA/8 on RF-8 and KFWD/52 on RF-9, both of which are owned and/or operated by Belo. I've seen no filings for either to apply for UHF so D/FW will likely remain a mixed market.

Refer to the following for details:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-1595A1.pdf

-3 is off air because TheCoolTV canceled operations on K31GL

so are they going to be on another station in dallas??

-3 is off air because TheCoolTV canceled operations on K31GL

did they say why it's canceled??

Acording to their web page they are on only 3 stations now.

http://www.thecooltv.com/index.php

K31GL was listed last time I looked a few weeks ago, with more that are gone now too. There's an email address at the bottom of their web page. I suggest everyone concerned email them and tell them you want it back.

Acording to their web page they are on only 3 stations now.

http://www.thecooltv.com/index.php

K31GL was listed last time I looked a few weeks ago, with more that are gone now too. There's an email address at the bottom of their web page. I suggest everyone concerned email them and tell them you want it back.

thx....i like watchin it and sometimes you get bored lookin at 33-2.

As has happened in other markets KTVT experienced viewer loss (57% in the OTA breakout) when they returned to VHF (RF-11) on 12 JUN 2009 (from RF-19). CBS has filed to return to UHF on the pre-transition channel 19 allotment. During the interim, KTVT is simulcasting on both channels.

Should the CBS petition be granted, only two VHFs will remain in the D/FW market: WFAA/8 on RF-8 and KFWD/52 on RF-9, both of which are owned and/or operated by Belo. I've seen no filings for either to apply for UHF so D/FW will likely remain a mixed market.

Refer to the following for details:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-09-1595A1.pdf

ok, thanks for the info. I read the info in the link; but did not find dates - I guess that is still up the in the air?

You think the dust might settle in about 30 more days?