Wow, that's expensive, the Region 2 version was only $54.

Wonder if Baltar has ever tried his "Cylon detector" on himself. The plot seems to indicate that Baltar is human....but "some are Cylons and don't know it....".

Exactly ... and by my count there are still at least 6 un-accounted for Cylon models.

I thought we've only seen 5 so far.

I thought we've only seen 5 so far.

Unquestionably Known: Sharons, Sixes, Dude 1's, Dude 2's, Toasters

Tentatively Assumed: Raider Ships

To be revealed: ?????

Toasters are not part of the 12 models. Six said that there were 12 human models.

Toasters are not part of the 12 models. Six said that there were 12 human models.

Gonna need a quote and episode ... I don't recall the "human" description ever being attached, and I seem to remember "Six" refering to the "toasters" in the line "That model still has it's uses ...," and the note passed to Adama simply said, "There are 12 cylon models." Of course, I could be mis-remembering :)

In any case, there are still *at least* six models un-accounted for.

In Part 1 of the mini there's a conversation with Baltar and Six. I don't have exact quotes but once she revealed that she was a Cylon she made a comment that led him to ask "there are more like you". She said there were 12 models. It's the "like you" that indicates 12 human models.

Hopefully someone can find exact quotes to either back this up or debunk it completely. That's how I remembered the conversation.

Does Comcast carry Universal HD? I couldn't find it on their bleeping web site (flash is evil...)

No, Comcast does not currently carry Universal HD. However, it is rumored that this will be one of the channels they add this year.
I sure hope so. I look forward to seeing BG in HD - already have my DVR set for the NBC showings next month.

I sense a pattern here: 12 "human" Cylon models + 1 "toaster," similar to the 12 Colonies + 1 Earth...

—Dan

Are you calling us toasters?

Are you calling us toasters?
Perhaps you are one, you just don't know it yet... :)

I'm pretty sure Kit on Knight Rider was one...

—Dan

Personally, I'm much more interested in what the frack happened on Cobol that it is now (apparently) in ruins. Plus the time frames (as well as technology development) are giving me a headache; ie. 2000 yrs since the "exodus/colonization," but only 80 yrs (or was it 40?) since the "last" Cylon war - and apparently only 60yrs since the "articles of colonization" were signed/implemented. Time seems to be moving backwards here. ;) :D

Humm ... then again, maybe I mis-heard the '60yr anniversary' reference in "Colonial Day."

Season 2 premieres Friday, July 15th. Some here had the resoluteness required to wait. Of course, they actually get the undercarried UHD network and thus, an HD broadcast to which they could look forward, the lucky ba$tards! Not that I'm bitter or anything. ;) Ok, I'm a little confused...or maybe a little retarded...but...I've been enjoying BSG on UHD in HD. How far am I behind the new season 2 episodes on SciFi that I've been recording but not watching? Are you saying that starting July 15th UHD will be broadcasting the new series (2?) that began on SciFi a couple weeks ago? :confused:

Not sure what you've been recording on SciFi, but Season 2 on SciFi does not begin until July 15 10/9C.

Are you calling us toasters?

In this forum? Are you kidding? We get hot really fast and burn things that come into contact with us. :D :D :D

Personally, I'm much more interested in what the frack happened on Cobol that it is now (apparently) in ruins. Plus the time frames (as well as technology development) are giving me a headache; ie. 2000 yrs since the "exodus/colonization," but only 80 yrs (or was it 40?) since the "last" Cylon war - and apparently only 60yrs since the "articles of colonization" were signed/implemented. Time seems to be moving backwards here. ;) :D

Humm ... then again, maybe I mis-heard the '60yr anniversary' reference in "Colonial Day."

It's been 40 years since the Cylon War. Don't know about how long it had been since the "Articles of Colonization", but it's been relatively recently. Before getting it together, the 12 colonies had warred among themselves. Perhaps it was the looming Cylon threat that caused them to unite?

I sense a pattern here: 12 "human" Cylon models + 1 "toaster," similar to the 12 Colonies + 1 Earth...

—Dan

I was thinking since there's a significant reference to religion in this series that twelve was a reference to twelve apostles and one toaster.
Maybe the toaster is a reference to bread.

Not sure what you've been recording on SciFi, but Season 2 on SciFi does not begin until July 15 10/9C. OK, got that, but how far behind first-run episodes is what I've been watching on UHD? If season 2 on SciFi begins July 15, when will season 2 episodes appear on UHD?

OK, got that, but how far behind first-run episodes is what I've been watching on UHD? If season 2 on SciFi begins July 15, when will season 2 episodes appear on UHD?


That hasn't been announced yet. Some of us are hoping we won't have to wait until season 2 ends on Sci-Fi, like we did with season 1.

OK, got that, but how far behind first-run episodes is what I've been watching on UHD? If season 2 on SciFi begins July 15, when will season 2 episodes appear on UHD?

This Sunday should be part II of Cobol....so that is where season 1 ended.

This Sunday should be part II of Cobol....so that is where season 1 ended.
For the sake of accuracy, it's Kobol with a K, not Cobol with a C.. :)

That hasn't been announced yet. Some of us are hoping we won't have to wait until season 2 ends on Sci-Fi, like we did with season 1.
It's a pretty dim hope, but maybe we'll get lucky since this season is 8-10 episodes longer..

For the sake of accuracy, it's Kobol with a K, not Cobol with a C.. :)

... Just like "Caesar" is actually pronounced "Kisar" (as in the germanic "Kaiser") not "Seeser" :) ... but I digress

For the sake of accuracy, it's Kobol with a K, not Cobol with a C.. :)

I was distracted. The chip in my head makes me see this beautiful blonde who is really kute. :rolleyes:

I was distracted. The chip in my head makes me see this beautiful blonde who is really kute. :rolleyes:
Just "see"? Not feel, and well, you know... :p :D

For the sake of accuracy, it's Kobol with a K, not Cobol with a C.. :)
Yeah, Cobol is "COmmon Business-Oriented Language," the high-level language used to program the toasters...

—Dan

Personally, I'm much more interested in what the frack happened on Cobol that it is now (apparently) in ruins. Plus the time frames (as well as technology development) are giving me a headache; ie. 2000 yrs since the "exodus/colonization," but only 80 yrs (or was it 40?) since the "last" Cylon war - and apparently only 60yrs since the "articles of colonization" were signed/implemented. Time seems to be moving backwards here. ;) :D
I'm thinking Kobol faced some natural catastrophe that warranted the exodus. (I'll be really disappointed if they play the "global warming" card...)

In any case, the humans didn't invent the Cylons until much later (remember, the Cylons were created as servants for the even-lazier-than-we-Americans-are Colonists). It's been 20 years since the Cylon wars, when the toasters got tired of, er, toasting...

Now, time could still be in trouble here: The Colonies have only been off Kobol for 2000 years. We can probably assume that the Earth colonists left at the same time, but made a left turn where they should have gone right....Homo Sapiens have been on Earth for some 130,000 yahrens, er, years. But, if we assume, for the sake of the show, that colonists from Kobol showed up at the time of the ancient Egyptions (and are the Egyptians), that puts the landing some 6000 years ago.

So, if the Galactica actually finds Earth, 4000 years ago, they're going to be mighty disappointed in mankind's ability to help with the Cylon problem.

So, now, 4000 years later, one could assume that we have already failed to help Adama and the rest of the party, and that the Cylons found us, but didn't destroy us (because we weren't much of a threat). Perhaps the Cylons even left a sentinel or two behind, to make sure we never developed into a threat.

It would certainly explain all the trouble our computers give us...

:)

—Dan

Another thought: Perhaps the Colonists measure "years" as an average orbital period of all twelve planets. So, a "Colonial Year" could be, say, 1100 days. Similar philosophy to a Gallactic Standard Week, equal to one hour. That would mean 2000 Colonial Years is equal to 6000 Earth Years, and that we are actually living in the present...

OTOH, it's just a TV show.

Now my brain hurts. I think I'll go ramble over to a different thread and complain about the price of Sunday Ticket in HD...

—Dan

I just noticed that the last three episodes of the first season are scheduled for July 9 on the local NBC affiliate in HD. I thought they were only going to be in HD on their cable station Universal HD. Is there a possibility that when they start to show the new season on NBC they will be in HD? Also, does anyone know how the second season will be scheduled with the respect to the various channels (SciFi, Universal, NBC, SkyTV)?

Season 2 still unannounced except on Sci-Fi. It would be surprising to hear that anyone else gets to air it before it airs on Sci-fi, even though they are part of the larger corporation, because they paid for it, essentially.

I suspect NBC is testing the water. They know they have a great show that has captured an audience on satellite and cable. If they got a large enough audience for the HD broadcasts from people who don't get Universal HD, who knows....they might just put it into the regular OTA lineup (based purely on the hope that the "mainstream" viewers might watch).

The only problem I see is that some of the scenes with #6 and Baltar are a little....um...intense for OTA.

I suspect NBC is airing it simply to entice a wider audience, who might not normally watch SciFi, to watch season two over on SciFi...

—Dan

That hasn't been announced yet. Some of us are hoping we won't have to wait until season 2 ends on Sci-Fi, like we did with season 1.For what it's worth, universalhd.com does have a "Contact Us" link. I shot them an e-mail asking when season two would start showing up -- if I get a response, I'll post it here.

Given that the marathon runs 7/9 - 7/10, and then repeats Thursday and Friday, I'd guess that they are making a big push to get folks caught up in the series. That smells an awful lot like this is either going mainstream (i.e., NBC proper) or that UHD is going to keep running the show. Personally my bet is that it stays on UHD, since moving it to the big network would kill audience from SciFi (just when they are really having some success).

Later,
Bill

"Personally my bet is that it stays on UHD, since moving it to the big network would kill audience from SciFi (just when they are really having some success)."

Hard to believe Bonny did something right ;-) ........., sorry I could not help myself..... ;-O

I'd hope so, while recording HD over the air is neat (and next weekend I will), history tell's SciFi (programing) and NBC don't mix very well. I'm content with SciFi Channel SD / TiVo right now, and the Sci- Fridays. Plus seeing it later on UHD (via D*).

??? No dialogue on BSG tonight? I am getting music and sound effects, but no voices!!!!

I'm getting no front or cener channel audio through D*. Anybody else having the same problem?

Yes.

Ugh.. this is annoying. I hope it's fixed at the 11 pm viewing.

Perhaps the Cylons even left a sentinel or two behind, to make sure we never developed into a threat.

It would certainly explain all the trouble our computers give us...

:)

—Dan

My God man, you've inadvertantly revealed Bill Gates as a Cylon!

-p

First time watchers in case you can't lip read: Starbuck has taken the Cylon raider back to Caprica to retrieve the arrow of Diana on the President's request.....Adama is not happy.

guess I should have tivoed the Sci-fi version on Friday. This is the first time I've ever seen an audio channel missing from a broadcast.

Will rewatch at 11 and if that doesn't work will use alternate means.

Yep, just posted in the no center for King Kong thread. Both my boxes have no center, but, the commercials come in LOUD and clear.

Ha, i thought it was for dramatic effect for the first seven minutes or so--figured they were building up to something big. Funny since the background noise and commercials are fine.

ack, no hd-tivo, what to do...

Perhaps UHD is testing the new Dolby Karaoke encoding where you fill in your own dialog...

I was checking my toslink, my Rca Cables etc...

You can always catch it next Saturday night on NBC or next Sunday morning on UHD.

They've been ruining that cliffhanger since the beginning of the UHD airing, but that was still wild!

Well, here I am in my RV with no HD! It's a wonder to have high speed internet with wi-fi.

I'll catch the repeat next weekend on UHD, unless my tivo captured the missing dialog.

Tonight's 11pm/8pm repeat had dialogue. whew!

...unless my tivo captured the missing dialog.
Mine didn't... :mad:

Guess I'll have to watch the heavily-commercialized, edited-for-TV version on NBC next weekend.

~Dan

My eyes almost popped out of my head when all the naked Boomer's walked out. I kept saying "Is that a . . . no, just a shadow" :(

I managed to stay spoiler free and really enjoyed the ending. I don't know if I can wait until January for Season 2, but the lack of DD 5.1 and ultra resolution seems like it would dampen the experience if I watched it on Sci-Fi. Decisions, decisions.

Thanks for the heads-up on the audio issues. At least it's airing again next week...

For what it's worth, universalhd.com does have a "Contact Us" link. I shot them an e-mail asking when season two would start showing up -- if I get a response, I'll post it here.


Thanks for the link. I sent off a request as well.

I'd rather have a full set of commercials in SD and have a simulcast than to wait until the SD season ends and watch it (relatively) commercial free.

I'd rather have a full set of commercials in SD and have a simulcast than to wait until the SD season ends and watch it (relatively) commercial free.

Ok Panther, we're not getting that. What will you do? I've got to make a decision as well. First, I've got to see the final episode with audio after returning from a holiday weekend to the missing center channel. I dumped that recording and will catch it during the marathon.

But then what? I'm seriously considering the (gasp!) SD Sci-Fi version. It's going to be a tough call.

Personally, I'll watch it on Sci-Fi for content, then re-watch it on UHD for the eye candy.

I'm waiting until UniHD airs it in HD...I've tried watching The 4400 and Rescue Me in SD and it's torturous, waiting until those come out on DVD.

I'm curious about something... sometimes UHD will show commercials for 4400 in HD and sometimes they show the commercials in SD. Are there any plans to air it on UHD? The ads are plugging the Sci-Fi channel airings.

I was kinda vague - I'll definitely wait for UHD - However, given a choice of UHD in January commercial-free or UHD simulcast in July but with the full slate of SciFi SD commercials, I'd rather get it in July.

I was kinda vague - I'll definitely wait for UHD - However, given a choice of UHD in January commercial-free or UHD simulcast in July but with the full slate of SciFi SD commercials, I'd rather get it in July.
I would go with this, UHD-with commercials, but not on SciFi only...once one sees it in HD, it just looks like crap in SD.

I'm curious about something... sometimes UHD will show commercials for 4400 in HD and sometimes they show the commercials in SD. Are there any plans to air it on UHD? The ads are plugging the Sci-Fi channel airings.
I wish they would, it's shot in HD, but I don't think it's a NBC/Universal property.

I wish they would, it's shot in HD, but I don't think it's a NBC/Universal property.Right -- it's Paramount/Viacom.

Personally, I'll watch it on Sci-Fi for content, then re-watch it on UHD for the eye candy. Me too... along with both Stargates...

Anyone else see the teaser on NBC for this weekend? Apparently there will be some sneak preview scenes from Season 2, so be prepared for spoilers. Of course they go on about how it's in "stunning HD". Now if they could only get frigging Universal HD to other markets...

Mine didn't... :mad:

Guess I'll have to watch the heavily-commercialized, edited-for-TV version on NBC next weekend.

~Dan

Commercials, yes, but "edited-for-TV"? Uh, dude, don't look now but this isTV. I don't expect to see (or not see) any additional cuts that would reduce the running time beyond the versions that ran on Sci-Fi. The reason NBC cut the mini from 4 hours to 3 when they did their HD telecast last year is that they only had a 3 hour time-slot open on Saturday night.

Me too... along with both Stargates...

That's my Saturday morning Sci-Fi fix while my Partner is at work... can't wait.

> Guess I'll have to watch the heavily-commercialized,
> edited-for-TV version on NBC next weekend.

Commercials, yes, but "edited-for-TV"? Uh, dude, don't look now but this isTV.
Umm, you don't think there's any difference between what can be shown on SciFi/UHD vs. NBC?

Do you really think NBC would show Six with her dress hiked up over her rear and Baltar plugging away? Or all the naked Boomers?

I guess we'll know for sure next weekend...

—Dan

Umm, you don't think there's any difference between what can be shown on SciFi/UHD vs. NBC?

Do you really think NBC would show Six with her dress hiked up over her rear and Baltar plugging away? Or all the naked Boomers?

'... I yelled, "Don't look Ethel!" ... but it was too late, she done been incensed ...'

:D

Umm, you don't think there's any difference between what can be shown on SciFi/UHD vs. NBC?—Dan

Nope. Not that I've noticed.

Do you really think NBC would show Six with her dress hiked up over her rear and Baltar plugging away? Or all the naked Boomers?

Yep. They show "worse" stuff all the time. Ever watch NYPD Blue? And while the Boomers may have been naked, they were all in silhouette; nothing of importance was shown. The Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders show more skin every Sunday in the fall.

I guess we'll know for sure next weekend...

Yep. I'll eat my display if there's any content/edited difference at all between Sci-Fi's and NBC's showing of these two (actually three) episodes.

'... I yelled, "Don't look Ethel!" ... but it was too late, she done been incensed ...'

:D

Look at dat, Look at dat :D

Warning HD-TiVo users: If you missed "Six Degrees of Separation" the first time around (like I did) because of some data error, and you're looking forward to the July 9 marathon to pick it up again, you need to manually select the episode. Once again it does not show up in the Season Pass list of episodes.

So I'm going away this weekend, and hopefully when I get back I'll have "Six Degrees" and "Kobol" part 2 on the TiVo when I get back.

Universal HD is just not getting any quality control or attention. I can't say I blame them for not throwing more money at a loss-leader cable channel. I know they're at least selling a few spots now. <sigh>

Mojo

Mojo,

Thanks for the heads-up. I completely missed that my "To Do" list lacked "Six Degrees..." I'd have been bummed to miss it (although we have three more chances). Now I'm just trying to get HD recordings to create 480i DVDs, but still....

I'm actually watching the SD version of the final episode after the sound fiasco last Sunday. Sci-Fi had a BSG marathon today. The picture is so soft that I don't think I could watch a whole season in SD. Looks like I wait until January (or whenever UHD begins the second season).

Don't think this was mentioned, but looks like UHD is going to run a Battlestar marathon starting Saturday 7pm in Phoenix. Last episode is 8pm Sun.

The SciFi channel was pumping it all day yesterday (of all things), and the price on the DVD S1 box set was placed at $49.99 (best buy) which seems $10 lower than the R2 price quoted here before? Old news NBC will run three shows in HD Sat night too. Glad I have some DF360's left ;-)

Looking forward to S2 starting 7/15 even in SD (along with the Star Gates). Makes watching the HD repeats later on UHD/NBC worth even more to me.

Okay, this is potentially disturbing news for us HD fans of BS.

In the July 10-16 issue of TV Guide there's an article about BS(it contains some mild spoilers, but nothing earth shattering). In the article it mentions that the show will air 10 episodes, and then take a break until January,2006 when another 10 episodes will air!!

Now, the optimist in me is hoping that during the break from airing on SciFi, that the first 10 eps will air in HD on UniHD, and then after the second 10 air on SciFi in 2006, then we will see the second 10 on UniHD.

Now, if the above does not happen, and if there is no dual carriage on both channels(highly unlikely IMO) then we won't see the second season of BS in HD until sometime in March or April of 2006.. :eek:

If anyone has anything that disputes the TV Guide article I would love to hear it, as TV Guide could be wrong. I myself am going to search for more info myself.

In the July 10-16 issue of TV Guide there's an article about BS(it contains some mild spoilers, but nothing earth shattering). In the article it mentions that the show will air 10 episodes, and then take a break until January,2006 when another 10 episodes will air!!


Damn. I was afraid they'd do that when I heard it was going to be a 20 episode season. Seeing as how TWC or E* will probably never add UHD to their channel lineup, I'll never be able to watch it in HD anyway (except for the 3 HD episode "special" on NBC tomorrow night), but I was hoping for a 20 consecutive week season on Sci-Fi at least. Color me bummed.

Damn. I was afraid they'd do that when I heard it was going to be a 20 episode season. Seeing as how TWC or E* will probably never add UHD to their channel lineup, I'll never be able to watch it in HD anyway (except for the 3 HD episode "special" on NBC tomorrow night), but I was hoping for a 20 consecutive week season on Sci-Fi at least. Color me bummed.
Yeah, I'm pretty bummed too, but I will definitely not watch it on SciFi, I'll wait. This show is so much better in the HD format it's worth the wait for me. In fact, the DVDs are darn near the quality of the DirecTV Uni-HD broadcast.

Not a chance I'll suffer through SD after enjoying season 1 in HD.

Hold off and just think of it as Time Shifting ;)

On the last Episode of the Marathon... Recording in HQ on Replay to burn to dvd..

I am not a huge sci-fi fan so I had never watched either the made for TV movie or the first season of Battlestar Galactica. I recorded the entire first season in HD thanks to the Universal HD marathon and was very impressed. The acting is very good (even if the actor playing Adama the younger does sound like Tom Cruise); Number Six is HOT: she exudes sexuality from every beautiful pore! Both the PQ and 5.1 sound were first rate.

I liked ths show wll enough that I am going to see if I can stand to watch the second season in SD on the Sci-Fi Channel. If not, I'll wait until it shows up on Universal HD.

As a side note, I have watched an amazing number of hours of programming on Universal HD since Fox OKC picked it up last month. I like both The District and Law & Order: Special Victims Unit and the Battlestar Galactica marathon was a special treat. Good work Universal HD!

I caught my first ep over the weekend, a repeat on NBC, and I was very impressed. I've been a huge fan of Trek and this might fill the void for me. Not sure I can bring myself to watching it in SD though, after seeing it in HD.

Why won't NBC carry this?

Sure wish I had UniversalHD....

How did the PQ of the NBC HD broadcasts compare to those on UniversalHD?

Saturday night I toggeled back and forth between the two, and while straight A-B comparisions couldn't be made because different episodes were running, it appeared to me that NBC's PQ was sharper and more colorful. Perhaps someone has image captures and/or bit rate comparisons?

I caught this this weekend too. Recorded the whole season on my cable box and already watched 6 of the episodes... Amazing show methinks... I just need to find the mini-series so that I can catch all of the stuff that lead to the shows starting... Most of it I can catch up on, but am still clueless about parts of it. Like why is Helo on Caprica? Whats up with the blonde chick? Is she Cylon or what?

These are probably obvious questions if youve been with the series from its debut, but they are still open for me. Anyone care to answer in a non-spoiler kind of way?

Helo is on carptica because he gave up his spot on the ship that evaced to Baltar / The blond is #6 and she is cylon - but.. she is only in Baltars head.. or so we think

Helo is on carptica because he gave up his spot on the ship that evaced to Baltar / The blond is #6 and she is cylon - but.. she is only in Baltars head.. or so we think

Maybe, but we're not sure, she may be a Cylon chip implanted in his head (that's what she told him). We just don't know for sure and that's one of the delicious conundrums of this show.

she may be a Cylon chip implanted in his head (that's what she told him).
She said she was just in his head, but she never said it was an implanted chip...

And it wouldn't necessarily have to be a silicon wafer IC chip either; if a Cylon can get pregnant from a human, their technology is waaay beyond simple electronic components. No. 6 could be engrams empressed on Baltar's brain cells...

—Dan

She said she was just in his head, but she never said it was an implanted chip...



She didn't say it was a chip, but she did say that it could be a chip.

Well, whatever it is, I want one... :p

Well, whatever it is, I want one... :p
Yes, she's hot.

But she has an annoying habit of always popping in at the worst possible moment.

An OFF switch would be nice...

—Dan

if a Cylon can get pregnant from a human, their technology is waaay beyond simple electronic components
(methinks) The Cyclons are essentially cloned humans with imbedded chips/programming, although there's supposedly no original Boomer. If they're not clones, then their technology is waaay beyond the humans indeed.

(methinks) The Cyclons are essentially cloned humans with imbedded chips/programming, although there's supposedly no original Boomer. If they're not clones, then their technology is waaay beyond the humans indeed.

"We are the Borg. Resistance if futile"....oops, I mean "We are the Cylons....resistance is futile.".

(methinks) The Cyclons are essentially cloned humans with imbedded chips/programming, although there's supposedly no original Boomer. If they're not clones, then their technology is waaay beyond the humans indeed.
The Cylons started out as toasters (mechanical/electrical). Now, certain models are human enough to bleed, get pregnant, and presumably pass a DNA test; so, their technology now includes cellular manipulation of some sort.

I still think they are artificial, as opposed to clones. Baltar's nuclear-warhead-powered Cylon detector does work; the results all come back "green" because he's afraid outting a sleeper (e.g., Sharon) would trigger it into killing him.

I also think Tigh's wife is a Cylon...

—Dan

I also think Tigh's wife is a Cylon...

—Dan

Makes sense. It was odd the way she just reappeared after he thought she died/was left behind on Caprica. She obviously has ulterier motives - didn't she have a "how can we help each other" conversation with Richard Hatch's terrorist character? Perhaps a Cylon, perhaps working with them.
If she is a Cylon, it would lend credibility to the cloning theory, I doubt she was a Cylon before the Invasion.

The Cylons started out as toasters (mechanical/electrical). Now, certain models are human enough to bleed, get pregnant, and presumably pass a DNA test; so, their technology now includes cellular manipulation of some sort.

I still think they are artificial, as opposed to clones. Baltar's nuclear-warhead-powered Cylon detector does work; the results all come back "green" because he's afraid outting a sleeper (e.g., Sharon) would trigger it into killing him.

I also think Tigh's wife is a Cylon...
I guess they could be growing organs and synthetic-skin in a lab somewhere.

If she [Tigh's wife] is a Cylon, it would lend credibility to the cloning theory, I doubt she was a Cylon before the Invasion.
Well, we don't know exactly how long Cylon sleepers have been infiltrating human society. Boomer obviously has been around for some time, at least long enough to enter military service, become an officer, get flight training, and however long she's been part of Galactica's crew.

She has a complete set of memories, which may or may not have been planted, or she might have actually been raised by her human parents since Cylon infancy.

[nerd alert]

OMG...this thread is starting to remind me of all those Star Trek fans from the 60's and 70's who spent all their time studying the Enterprise, the Federation, and learning to speak Klingon.

And let's not forget that John Colicos played a Klingon on ST as well as Baltar on the original BG...

[/nerd alert]

~Dan

From the The Boston Globe,

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'Battlestar' goes where we are now

By Suzanne C. Ryan, Globe Staff | July 14, 2005

A terrorist attack has people on the run. A computer virus threatens to undermine the survivors. Meanwhile, enemy forces are mingling undetected among the rank and file, planning genocide in the name of their god.

Those could be today's headlines. In fact, they're some of the story lines on television's most unlikely hit, ''Battlestar Galactica," which begins its second season tomorrow night at 10 on the Sci-Fi Channel.
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The full article is at the link below, it contains some first season spoilers in case anyone here has not seen all of season one.

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2005/07/14/battlestar_goes_where_we_are_now/
'Battlestar' goes where we are now - The Boston Globe - Boston.com - TV - A&E

But unlike in today's world... The crew of BSG can "profile" the Cylon's without risk of infringing upon their civil rights or hurting someone's feelings. ;)

But unlike in today's world... The crew of BSG can "profile" the Cylon's without risk of infringing upon their civil rights or hurting someone's feelings. ;)

Yes ... but perhaps one should go read Ron Moore's blog entries at scifi.com before leaping to any value conclusions ;) :D

"Is Baltar screwed now that it's somewhat obvious that his Cylon test either, one, did not work on Sharon or, two, withheld the info that she was a Cylon?"

All fans of the show know this...

Hers wasn't an official test. She went in before it was announced that the test was ready. She's probably the only one besides him who knows that a test was even done...

The test worked with Sharon.

My completley random guess for the day: the Adama shot was a Cylon.

Yes ... but perhaps one should go read Ron Moore's blog entries at scifi.com before leaping to any value conclusions ;) :D
Interesting read, thanks for mentioning it... :)

perhaps one should go read Ron Moore's blog entries at scifi.com...

Regarding what I was I saying earlier...

From Ron Moore's archives:

Q: "If we go too far with this are you prepared to deliver Captain Kirk's 'Get A Life' speech?"

A. I should be so lucky as to watch you guys get to that point.

:D

—Dan

i know this is a little ot.. but man what a great episode tonight!

The writers could actually go either way with the [Ship]Boomer test. Although her private test (that we viewed) was unofficial, Cmdr. Adama had everyone sampled for the test. So the writers can 'out' Baltar by deciding the false negative results of the second test were previously published by him at the time of her actions. Alternately, they can have Baltar "vindicated" and "celebrated" when he configures the machine to emit correct results, and then tests her [unmolested] sample and confirms her as a Cylon.

v/r,
C-F

Edited for clarity.

Fascinating and lengthy BSG article in todays online sunday NYTimes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/magazine/17GALACTICA.html?8hpib
(You may need to subscribe)

Good article, thanks for the link.

My completley random guess for the day: the Adama shot was a Cylon.

Do the Cylons age?

My guess is no.

Is there a date for season 2 on UHD yet?

Do the Cylons age?

My guess is no.

Well, they're based on human physiology, so unless the Cylons have figured out how to stop the natural aging process, they must age like any other organic organism. But there's still much we don't know about the Cylons that the show will reveal as it goes on; perhaps this will be one of them.

At the risk of sounding like a geek, does anyone else think this is the best Drama on television?
I am transfixed every week by this show - the characters are deep and believable, the themes are complex and current - all wrapped up in a facinating story of human survival with terrifying and mysterious enemies.

To keep it on topic, I enjoy the show even in SD, but I am hopeful Comcast will pick up UHD eventually so I can catch the reruns in HD. NBC showed the season finale several weeks ago in HD and it looked great.
Is UHD showing any reruns, even from Season 1, currently?

To keep it on topic, I enjoy the show even in SD, but I am hopeful Comcast will pick up UHD eventually so I can catch the reruns in HD. NBC showed the season finale several weeks ago in HD and it looked great.
Is UHD showing any reruns, even from Season 1, currently?

I haven't seen any scheduled.

At the risk of sounding like a geek, does anyone else think this is the best Drama on television?No, you don't sound like a geek and yes; I think it's the best thing on, though it will get much competition from Invasion and Lost this upcoming season.

looks like the season 2 finale is next week.. any word on season 2.5 or 3?

The last thing I saw was it will return in January.

Please don't be insulted, and let me also say I'm a big fan of the show, but I really think the few people proclaiming this the best show on TV, well, I think that's more a reflection of the degree to which you're a science fiction fan. It's a great show, but it's not the best drama ever. Lost, IMO is on an altogether higher level. Likewise the Sopranos. And there are others. I'd agree it's one of the best shows on TV and it's arguably the best science fiction on TV, but it's not the best drama.

No one is saying that BSG is the best drama ever; just the best on right now. For myself, it's a bit better than Alias and Lost. These three shows and Invasion are gonna rule the airwaves this fall because they're refreshing and have broken away from the cop, doctor and lawyer formulae.
Honorable mentions go to 24 and Smallville.

I'm actually not a huge sci-fi fan, and IMHO, this is still the best drama on right now.
I think that's my point - the show uses traditional sci-fi elements as a backdrop for what is actually top-notch acting, directing and dialog. Also, I find the contemporary themes they weave in facinating - military vs civillian contol, terrorism, our relationships with machines/technology, humans fighting for their lives. Not to mention the huge religious theme - which in a twist have humans believing in multiple gods where the Cylons believe in one.
I know proclaiming something "the best" is opening a can of worms as all are entitled to their opinion. I think it hit me as I was watching the first part of "Threshold" that the character's reactions to what was happening didn't seem realistic to me, and it lost my interest quickly (maybe it got better, I don't know), and couldn't wait to switch over to BSG.
What BSG does for me is allow a suspension of disbelief more than any other show, using all the elements of good storytelling and good movie-making. The sci-fi part is just a bonus.
Anyway, it's good to see there are still some shows out there that continue to push the envelope - BSG, Lost, 24, etc.
I am grateful that I get to enjoy most of these in HD.

looks like the season 2 finale is next week.. any word on season 2.5 or 3?

It's the "summer finale". Same for both Stargates. They run the first half of the season during the summer then the second half starting in January. They've been doing that for a few years now. So it will be back mid-January.

Wait until some genious figures out that those of us that like good television - like it, and will watch it, year round. Or realizes just because NBC plays 10.5 during sweeps and gets a ratings boost doesn't mean advertising rates should go up for their regularly scheduled programming (not singling out NBC - any "sweeps exclusive" programming would apply).

Well let me try this again. Suspension of disbelief is largely a term used with sci-fi or fantasy themes, it's not what makes great drama. Great drama is incredible acting, and BSG has a couple of great actors and mostly very good actors. It's extremely deep character exploration (BSG's writing is very good but we haven't gotten to *know* the characters like we've gotten to know the characters of LOST, we're talking layers here). On film it means great cinematography (the filming of BSG is good but well short of incredible). Mind you, the special effects and action sequences get pretty incredible but that's not drama, that's something else that makes it great. The direction and cinematography of BSG are fine but it's no Sopranos. And IMO comparing Lost and Alias means you don't really get what makes great drama because Alias is a few rungs down the ladder in that department. BSG is what it is, original, fun to watch, but I think when you say it's the best drama on TV you're making it into more than it is and more than it's meant to be. So hey to each their own, for some of you BSG is the best drama on television and so be it.

No one is saying that BSG is the best drama ever; just the best on right now. For myself, it's a bit better than Alias and Lost.
I agree, Alias is far too shallow for me, and Lost is more an adventure, excitement type of show. Not on par with the real drama, sociological, political and personal undertones and overtones of BSG. BSG resonates with me far more than any of those other two because it portrays real issues in todays world. The Sopranos, while probably technically correct in it's portrayal of a Mafia family, and it is a very good show, but my life doesn't connect with that life in any manner that I'm conscious of. BSG, OTOH, attacks issues such as trust, religion, racism, family, hope, despair and the everyday struggle of existence. These are things we all deal with in our everyday life. That's why I like the show, which is to say, it doesn't have anything to do with being in space or great special effects. Just my opinion...

Very well said, keenan.

No, you don't sound like a geek and yes; I think it's the best thing on, though it will get much competition from Invasion and Lost this upcoming season.

At the risk of sounding like an uber geek I would have to to vote for Justice League Unlimited. If it were only in HD :o

BGS has a lock on 2nd place in my heart. How long until season 2 on UHD? October maybe?

Dang you beat me to the BEST....Justice League Unlimited. Not sure how a cartoon can have better story lines then 80% of all the show on TV. It is just amazing what they do on that show.
LOVE BSG TOO!

You would be hard-pressed to find a show that deals with more topical issues facing us today, unless you include The West Wing, and it's more policy-wonkish than visceral. BSG is a fascinating exploration of what it is to be human with all our frailties, and the sci-fi elements are almost beside the point. But they still have to make it entertaining for the small, yet dedicated audience that's willing and able to think along with the big issues it explores. And that it does; this is one fun show. I find myself looking forward to it more than any series in recent memory except Firefly (which more heavily favored the entertainment side and certainly had a lighter touch). It's so completely different in tone and style from the campy original - thank the gods!

And not to echo Keenan, but Alias is dead to me now. Last year's rudderless, confusing mess of a season, coupled with Jen's pregnancy this year, clinched it for me. At least it had a good, two year run before jumping the shark.

I'll keep watching as long as they don't run out of copies of "Boomer!" :D

And not to echo Keenan, but Alias is dead to me now. Last year's rudderless, confusing mess of a season, coupled with Jen's pregnancy this year, clinched it for me. At least it had a good, two year run before jumping the shark.
They made a couple of attempts last season at redemption but it just wasn't coherent enough. With Garner's pregnancy, and last season's mess, it would be a virtual miracle on TV if Alias regained any of it's former glory this season. I'll watch the first couple to give it a fair shake, but if it doesn't grab me right away, I'm done for good.

(Sorry for the off-topic Alias remarks) :D

I'll keep watching as long as they don't run out of copies of "Boomer!" :D
Well, yes, there are the important things of course.. :p :D

Bump.

Just a reminder that this is for discussion of BSG as the episodes air on Universal HD - please do not post comments relating to the shows that already aired on the SciFi channel.

A thread exists in the non-HDTV forum for BSG on SciFi discussion - here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=492989

No one is saying that BSG is the best drama ever; just the best on right now. For myself, it's a bit better than Alias and Lost. These three shows and Invasion are gonna rule the airwaves this fall because they're refreshing and have broken away from the cop, doctor and lawyer formulae.
Honorable mentions go to 24 and Smallville.

I'm a huge SciFi fan but I think BSG is right up in my top5 shows. Behind The Wire and Deadwood and ahead of Rescue Me and the Sopranos. Of course I think Lost is a big steamy pile of monkey crap so, of course, opinions will vary wildly on this issue or any issue that involves a substantive judgement. IMHO.

RE whether this is the best drama on TV, it's really hard to say because the shows are so different. But I definitely think this show is up there with The Wire (best urban crime drama) and Deadwood (uncategorizable). It's defnitely the best sci fi show I know of. Coincidentally it's also the show that best deals with post 911 issues on an ongoing basis.

I think the reason it's so good is that the Cylons are not the villains they would be in a lesser show. It's not that there are "good" Cylons and "bad" Cylons but that their motivations are disturbingly human. They not only want to survive and reproduce, but they think they're on a mission from God (or that's what it looks like so far).

RE whether this is the best drama on TV, it's really hard to say because the shows are so different. But I definitely think this show is up there with The Wire (best urban crime drama) and Deadwood (uncategorizable). It's defnitely the best sci fi show I know of. Coincidentally it's also the show that best deals with post 911 issues on an ongoing basis.

I think the reason it's so good is that the Cylons are not the villains they would be in a lesser show. It's not that there are "good" Cylons and "bad" Cylons but that their motivations are disturbingly human. They not only want to survive and reproduce, but they think they're on a mission from God (or that's what it looks like so far).
Well put, this is exactly why I like it so much, it really doesn't have much to do with it being science fiction.

I think BG is head and shoulders above Lost, but they are 2 different shows so it's hard to compare, given a choice of one or the other, BG would win out easily for me.

Well I just finished waching this season on SCIFI and was shocked to see today that they already had the new episodes starting. They usually take 4ever to get them up. This season I had epsisode after episode where I was saying this is going to kick a$$ in HD! My HDTV tivo season pass is already set up! Sopranos,West Wing, Grey Anatomy, and BattleStar all in one night YESS!

Just watched the opening of Season 2.5 (again) tonight, but on UHD. God, the HD quality raises just complements the excellent writing and drama inherent in the show. I can see all the details and colours that were absent from the SciFi showings. I didn't think No. 6 could be any more beautiful but she is.

The Resurrection Ship episode has to be my favorite in terms of all the range of emotions by all the various characters. Having to see their pain, anguish, anger in HD makes it all the better. For the record, this was the only episode I've ever found Baltar likeable, at least pitied; he was really...human caring for the Peggy No. 6.

I wonder what's in store for this season eh? ;)

I started watching this show on UHD a few weeks ago. I am somewhat of a sci-fi fan. I gather I started watching in "season 2.5" I am wondering if anyone here knows if seasons 1 and 2 are showing (even if in SD, ugh) on some other channel. I might consider going back and watching the old episodes. I get the impression that UHD runs a season behind, please correct me if I am wrong.

You would be much happier if you watched in order. Everything up to season 2.5 is available on DVD. Netflix has them. The correct order is:

BSG Miniseries (2003)
Season 1 (13 episodes)
Season 2.0 (10 episodes)

I imagine season 2.5 will be on DVD this summer. It's also 10 episodes.

NB: If you buy season 1, the American version of the release (the one most commonly available) includes the miniseries. But if you rent from Netflix, season 1 starts with the first episode, so you need to rent the miniseries first.

If you started watching a few weeks ago, I think you are still in season 2.0 or whatever they call it.

I believe the Pilot, Season 1, and Season 2.0 are all on DVD.

The Pilot hooked me. I love this show. And am only watching it in HD.

I assume there are many of you out there, like me, who waited until the HD version aired but I ask because there is very little activity on this thread.

Anyway, what information about Sharon's fetus made the president conclude that it needed to be terminated? Not sure if I missed that or if the viewers supposed to be in the dark about Rossylin's decision.

Also, a couple episodes back when the Pagasus' Col. (2nd in command) failed to shoot Adama after destroying the resurection ship, he got a call from Admiral whats-her-name. What did she tell him over the phone? I'm not sure if I simply missed what she said to him or if, again, the viewers were not supposed to know what she told him.
Anyone know?

I assume there are many of you out there, like me, who waited until the HD version aired but I ask because there is very little activity on this thread.

Anyway, what information about Sharon's fetus made the president conclude that it needed to be terminated? Not sure if I missed that or if the viewers supposed to be in the dark about Rossylin's decision.

Also, a couple episodes back when the Pagasus' Col. (2nd in command) failed to shoot Adama after destroying the resurection ship, he got a call from Admiral whats-her-name. What did she tell him over the phone? I'm not sure if I simply missed what she said to him or if, again, the viewers were not supposed to know what she told him.
Anyone know?


It didn't matter what she said. All that mattered was what she didn't say. She never said the code phrase that she gave him that was his cue to kill Adama. My take is that she had a feeling that Starbuck had orders to kill her and saw that Adama backed down. She didn't give the order because she saw Adama as weak and believed that she could control him... just my opinion.

Ah. Your interpretation makes sense.
So... if that's true then the Col. didn't disobey her orders...because she didn't give them!

Good episode.

Now let's see if Rosylin goes crazy after finding out how she was cured...

Good thing Baltar read Rosylin's farewell letter AFTER he saved her with the embrionic fluid!

I assume there are many of you out there, like me, who waited until the HD version aired but I ask because there is very little activity on this thread.

Anyway, what information about Sharon's fetus made the president conclude that it needed to be terminated? Not sure if I missed that or if the viewers supposed to be in the dark about Rossylin's decision.Since the mother is a Cylon and the father a human, and it was evident that the Cylons had been trying to create such "hybrids" for some time, the President concluded it would not be safe to allow the child to be born. Anything that the Cylons wanted was seen as a bad thing for humans.

If you started watching a few weeks ago, I think you are still in season 2.0 or whatever they call it.

I believe the Pilot, Season 1, and Season 2.0 are all on DVD.

The Pilot hooked me. I love this show. And am only watching it in HD.

Me too. But what took so long for this thread to reappear from season 1? And why was the HDTV programming forum polluted with a combined BSG SD and HD thread? That was ridiculous.

Me too. But what took so long for this thread to reappear from season 1?

Must be very few who waited for the UHD airing, and caught it on SciFi instead.

Must be very few who waited for the UHD airing, and caught it on SciFi instead.More likely those of us with Comcast just started to catch BSG in HD.

More likely those of us with Comcast just started to catch BSG in HD.Are you saying that Comcast carries UHD in your area? I don't think that's a "universal" truth. ;)

At least, I know we don't have it in my neighborhood. :(

Are you saying that Comcast carries UHD in your area? I don't think that's a "universal" truth. ;)Yes.

Comcast in these parts carried UHD during the Olympics, then dropped it as soon as the Olympics were over.

Me, I've been Tivo'ing the HD BSG's on DirecTV UHD eagerly awaiting the delivery of my HDTV even though I watched the entire season on SciFi.


Jerry

Me, I've been Tivo'ing the HD BSG's on DirecTV UHD eagerly awaiting the delivery of my HDTV even though I watched the entire season on SciFi.


Jerry


Wow, that must be frustrating having HD programming recorded but not able to watch it!
Knowing that HD versions of some shows are available but not being able to receive them is frustrating enough...

Bump.

Man, Adama Jr. sure was a sucker with that hooker with the kid.
But the black market leader underestimated his ability to kill.

Bump.

Just watched "Scar" episode. Pretty heavy on the Starbuck character development but some decent action as well.
At least the episode didn't have Baltar in it. I hate that guy.

Everybody is "supposed" to hate Baltar, after all he single handedly almost wiped out all of the colonies.

I always enjoy the references to the old show, too. I recall Starbuck and the other pilot talking about "Beano's" surviving girlfriend, "Cassie". I may be stretching it too far but I thought that was a reference to the old character Cassiopeia, although of course that is where any similarities to the two characters ends.

It didn't matter what she said. All that mattered was what she didn't say. She never said the code phrase that she gave him that was his cue to kill Adama. My take is that she had a feeling that Starbuck had orders to kill her and saw that Adama backed down. She didn't give the order because she saw Adama as weak and believed that she could control him... just my opinion.

I got the distinct feeling they had both independently decided to stand down, having come to their own conclusions, their differing outlooks simultaneouslly improved in the wake of a victory, but that's an interesting spin on it. I thought it was established that both leaders did not realize they were targeted for assassination.

I can confirm that she was supposed to give the colonel an execute command and chose not to do so, that much I remember clearly.

Everybody is "supposed" to hate Baltar, after all he single handedly almost wiped out all of the colonies.

True but some bad guys I enjoy watching (Swearingen on Deadwood comes to mind) whereas the Baltar character is just annoying.

Everybody is "supposed" to hate Baltar, after all he single handedly almost wiped out all of the colonies.

Not to mention he's a Cylon.

:eek:

He's got to be.


Jerry

Not to mention he's a Cylon.

:eek:

He's got to be.


Jerry



It wouldn't surprise me to see him turn out to be cylon in the end, but I think its just that he's incredibly demented as to why he is the way he is. He knows that if he lets slip the fact he was colluding with the blond cylon and allowed the attack on the colonies, he'll get blown out an airlock.

And because of the dementia - plus seeing/interacting with that blond female cylon that resides only in his brain, and basically does whatever "she" tells him to do - he makes for being even more dangerous to the human survivors than the cylons themselves.

Not to mention he's a Cylon.

:eek:

He's got to be.


Jerry

Nope. Baltar is no Cylon. Demented, perhaps; but he's all too human.

I agree. That would be a total cop-out if he were a cylon.

I seriously doubt that's the case.

Way back in the beginning, I thought maybe he's a cylon.

Then as the season progressed, I re-evaluated my position, maybe he's not, he's just a conspirator.

Then late in season 2 there were some episodes that made me rethink my stand,
and I have to think he might just be a cylon.

The episodes in question are coming up in the HD run, so I'll avoid the spoilers.

BG was one of the best shows on TV, now that I've seen in in HD, wow.


Jerry

BG was one of the best shows on TV, now that I've seen in in HD, wow.


Jerry



Totally agree. [OT, but -] Can't wait to see this series on HD-DVD - even though it may be a criminally long wait.

Seeing it in HD on UHD (on D*) is great and all - it really does provide great PQ when not artifacting/pixelating due to fast motion and/or reduced bandwidth - but I can't wait to see it in a format where its not at the mercy of bandwidth limitations.

Case in point, the scene where "Kat" is using the projector to show (was it Jo-Jo?) getting blown away by "Scar" because he focused in too much on the raider he was chasing and let Scar get him. When the camera panned away from her to the rest of the room, my display alit with those wonderful digital blocking artifacts we all know and love when fast motion occurs on bandwidth-limited channels.

Hoping I won't see that crap in movies/TV series that are on HD-DVDs, that can and will provide much larger bandwidth data rates.

Case in point, the scene where "Kat" is using the projector to show (was it Jo-Jo?) getting blown away by "Scar" because he focused in too much on the raider he was chasing and let Scar get him. When the camera panned away from her to the rest of the room, my display alit with those wonderful digital blocking artifacts we all know and love when fast motion occurs on bandwidth-limited channels.

I have that ep. still in the TiVo, haven't had a chance to watch it in HD yet, saw it the first time on SciFi.
I'll have to take a look at it tonight when I get home and see if it artifacted.

I've heard LCD's show it more than CRT's, my set is a CRT.


phox

Way back in the beginning, I thought maybe he's a cylon.

Then as the season progressed, I re-evaluated my position, maybe he's not, he's just a conspirator.

Then late in season 2 there were some episodes that made me rethink my stand,
and I have to think he might just be a cylon.
JerryThe best thing about Baltar is that he's so screwed up it also occured to him that it could be all in his head, or that he really has some unknown Cylon tech in his brain (which doesn't show up on any of the Galactica's medical equipment). Either way, he's totally nuts. Great acting.

I am really dissapointed nobody in the cast was nominated for an Emmy. It certainly is among one of the best dramas on TV.

Didnt Baltar deliver a nuke warhead as a gift to the rebels at the end of one episode? Did anything ever come of that?

Didnt Baltar deliver a nuke warhead as a gift to the rebels at the end of one episode? Did anything ever come of that?

Nope, nothing yet.

o.k., I am a complete and utter idiot...

I've been sitting around wondering why they haven't released the 2.5 DVDs and totally forgot there are people who haven't seen the end yet (though if you didn't watch it on sci-fi I don't see why you'd run out and get the DVDs). it was really neat getting to see BSG in HD during the olympics but we turned back into a comcast pumpkin a while ago. wait till y'all see this season's end - no spoiling, just if you think 1.0 & 2.0 had some big cliffhangers, ha-ha/whoa nelly!

has anybody heard anything about a release date for the 2.5 DVDs?

Good time to remind folks that this thread is for those following the show on UHD (currently in the middle of Season 2.5) - so if you watched the series on SciFi, please do not make comments about the show unless you confine them to the shows that have already aired on UHD.

Nope, nothing yet.I found that scene unbelievable unless Baltar is completely insane and stupid too. He doesnt think anyone will ever miss it? Or if its used no one will notice he no longer has the nuke? I can see it now. Adama asks for it back and Baltar starts stuttering and staring up at the ceiling...LOL

I found that scene unbelievable unless Baltar is completely insane and stupid too. He doesnt think anyone will ever miss it? Or if its used no one will notice he no longer has the nuke? I can see it now. Adama asks for it back and Baltar starts stuttering and staring up at the ceiling...LOLLove will do that (and insanity too).:)

Love will do that (and insanity too).Isn't that statement redundant? :p

The Season 2 Finale on UHD is a 2 hour block for parts 1 and 2, which originally were two episodes. Part 1 was an hour and Part 2 was 90 minutes.

I wonder if they are showing the finale as a movie without interruptions.

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-scifi-galacticaprequel,0,6083698.story?coll=zap-news-headlines

http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-scifi-galacticaprequel,0,6083698.story?coll=zap-news-headlines

GREAT NEWS.

(prequel series titled "Caprica" coming to SciFi)

GREAT NEWS.

(prequel series titled "Caprica" coming to SciFi)
Just so long as we don't get "Battlestar Atlantis". BTW I am a big fan of Stargate McKay :) .

If anyone is interested, an opportunity to have lunch with Starbuck and the Admiral (and benefit charity as well).

https://www01.charityfolks.com/cfauctions/auction_bid.asp?AuctionID=3274&catname=Waterkeeper%20Alliance

Sunday, Tivo's schedule shows the two-part finale broadcast as two episodes of an hour each. This may not be correct. As originally broadcast the first epsiode was an hour, while the second was 90 minutes (including commercial breaks). UHD's schedule shows they are broadcasting the finale as one two-hour episode. That broadcast may not break on the hour and Tivo may miss a beat if it's recording the show as two episodes.

I've reset the Tivo to add 90 minutes to the end of the first episode (in case the UHD broadcast unexpectedly runs over two hours) and canceled the recording of the second episode.

Sunday, Tivo's schedule shows the two-part finale broadcast as two episodes of an hour each. This may not be correct. As originally broadcast the first epsiode was an hour, while the second was 90 minutes (including commercial breaks). UHD's schedule shows they are broadcasting the finale as one two-hour episode. That broadcast may not break on the hour and Tivo may miss a beat if it's recording the show as two episodes.

I've reset the Tivo to add 90 minutes to the end of the first episode (in case the UHD broadcast unexpectedly runs over two hours) and canceled the recording of the second episode.As usual, I never understand The Bard.

In plain English, are you saying that it's split up into two seperate episodes on UHD or what?

Yes.

It should be 2.5 hrs encompassing both parts. A 1hr ep(part 1) and a 1.5hr ep(part 2).

As usual, I never understand The Bard.

In plain English, are you saying that it's split up into two seperate episodes on UHD or what?

No, just the opposite. Sci-Fi showed the finale as a two-parter on successive Fridays, taking a total of 2 1/2 hours. UHD is showing the finale as ONE episode, taking two hours, on Sunday.

The problem is that the Tivo guide lists it as two one-hour episodes and will record it that way. Not a big deal, but it could cause a missed beat or two as Tivo ends one program and begins the other, while UHD is showing one continuous program.

UHD shows very few commericals during BG, and each 1hr episode tends to run approx 50mins (with filler afterwards). I can see them fitting both episodes into a 2hr block.

I guess I'll just set my DVR to record a single 150min block just to be safe.

Just finished watching the finale, shown as a 2 hour (sort of) movie. Compaired to the Sci-Fi Channel UHF style PQ, seeing this in HD was just amazing. I actually missed the last episode on Sci-Fi so getting to see the entire two parter as one movie was great. Dean Stockwell was perfect.

I saw the Scifi version, this one was like watching a new episode... good job UHD...

I just happened to see this while flipping channels. Very nice to see it again and I agree, it was like watching almost a new episode seeing in HD. This alone just paid for my $10 this month for the HD pack from DirecTV. :)

Just finished with the 10-midnight showing and at the end credits there was no Six Voiceover. Was this skipped on the 8-10pm (EDT) showing as well? I thought it was
an amazingly chilling effect giving some clues of the Cylons intentions.


I'm truly confused why it was left off. The same thing happened on the SciFi showing, but only on the 2nd run -- the original 1st and 3rd showing had the epilogue. I wonder if it will be included on the DVD run when it comes out. Anybody have a theory?

So what did the epilogue say?

Six's voice:

"Humanity has surrendered.
The war is finally over.
We must now fulfill our true destiny.
So we will love them, and take care of them.
Show them the glory of peace.
And like god, our infinite mercy will be matched only by our power, and complete control. "

Well, I guess giving the Cylon a nuke was a bad idea :rolleyes:

So what did the epilogue say? If you had not found it, SciFi.com has the last few minutes available for viewing on their website.
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/

They did, however, move the voiceover from during the credits to the next season promo at the very end of the clip, after the credits.

Hats off to UHD!
Showed both episodes back to back without a single commercial and without the closing credits on part I and no intro/opening on part II. Almost seemed like a fan put the show together last night.
2hrs 30min on SciFi… 1hr 45min on UHD.
Bravo! A pleasure to watch.:D
Thank You UHD

Hats off to UHD!
Showed both episodes back to back without a single commercial and without the closing credits on part I and no intro/opening on part II. Almost seemed like a fan put the show together last night.
2hrs 30min on SciFi… 1hr 45min on UHD.
Bravo! A pleasure to watch.:D
Thank You UHD


I second that. I am so glad I didnt watch this series on SciFi. It couldnt have held a candle to this!

My TiVo didn't record this. So the one upcoming episode that is 1:45 is the entire two part finale edited into one show? It's a little confusing because they have the same name but are different lengths.

Well, I guess giving the Cylon a nuke was a bad idea :rolleyes:


Well yes, but Adama giving Baltar the warhead was the major no-no.

If he did let Baltar have access to a warhead, then it should have been to either be under the strictest of military surveillance or be "borrowed" to Baltar for each day of his research/work, but taken back under military protection when not needed/used by the Doctor.


But if that happened, how could they write the storyline to let Baltar knowing put a Cylon in a position where they could blow up part of the fleet - which eventually happened?? :rolleyes:

Can you say, "nuclear weapons security violation"? ;) But it is one hell of a plot mover. I also liked how they actually had consistent physics (one light year away, one year for the blast to travel that far).

What's your least favorite plot thread of the year? I love this show but some of the things they pull, I find maddening. I really hated that storyline of giving the cylon baby to unsuspecting parents, you know, the baby that could turn out to be a ruthless killing machine, the one whose stem cells miraculously cured terminal cancer in minutes...

And when does season 3 premiere, in Sci-Fi, anyway?

And when does season 3 premiere, in Sci-Fi, anyway?

Season 3 doesn't come on until October! :(

At least with the delayed start, no split seaons! :) All twenty episodes will air in a row! :D

Just like 24 does on Fox...

Well yes, but Adama giving Baltar the warhead was the major no-no.

Baltar, a govt scientist and elected Govt official commited an act of treason. Adama lent him, the Vice President and government scientist, a warhead to work on a Cylon detector on a secret government project aboard a Battlestar. I dont see how the two compare. With your logic we should hold a gun to our Presidents head 24/7 because he can launch nukes or give away secrets over the phone?



But if that happened, how could they write the storyline to let Baltar knowing put a Cylon in a position where they could blow up part of the fleet - which eventually happened?? :rolleyes:

Wrong again. Blowing up some of the fleet was not the biggest problem. Giving away their position to the Cylons with the nuclear signature was. Now the entire human race minus the whats left of the fleet are Cylon slaves.

Blowing up some of the fleet was not the biggest problem. Giving away their position to the Cylons with the nuclear signature was. Now the entire human race minus the whats left of the fleet are Cylon slaves.
Check out the last 2 min video clip on SciFi.com
Take a look at 6/Gina's face when Doral explains about finding the fleet from the radiation sig. from a nuke blast. She's like ... "Oops- my bad!" Same with Baltar... it's like he just realized he's doomed the human race AGAIN!!
Good sutff.

I dunno how they're gonna stop 'em (perhaps an EMP?), but my money's on Starbuck having some tricks up her sleeve. Surely the fleet can't be that careless....if Orbital Defense goes down, there's gotta be some kind of back-up (right?).

Baltar, a govt scientist and elected Govt official commited an act of treason. Adama lent him, the Vice President and government scientist, a warhead to work on a Cylon detector on a secret government project aboard a Battlestar. I dont see how the two compare. With your logic we should hold a gun to our Presidents head 24/7 because he can launch nukes or give away secrets over the phone?





Wrong again. Blowing up some of the fleet was not the biggest problem. Giving away their position to the Cylons with the nuclear signature was. Now the entire human race minus the whats left of the fleet are Cylon slaves.



Umm, I guess my answers were flawed or not very clear, but I wasn't arguing with your original point. Or maybe I was agreeing to something which I read into, that wasn't there to begin with.

Apologies if my misuse of the :rolleyes: caused any sort of confusion.

[Also, just a small point of clarification, but I believe that Baltar was not elected into the office of Vice President until the last couple eps of S1, and if my bad memory hasn't failed me in this case, he got the warhead from Adama near the start of S1, if not even at the tail-end of the miniseries itself.]

Check out the last 2 min video clip on SciFi.com
Take a look at 6/Gina's face when Doral explains about finding the fleet from the radiation sig. from a nuke blast. She's like ... "Oops- my bad!" Same with Baltar... it's like he just realized he's doomed the human race AGAIN!!
Good sutff.

It's debatable whether Six even knows that Gina set off the nuke or even had it in the first place. All this assuming that they were indeed far enough away from the fleet that her consciousness couldn't download and the idea of a Ressurection Ship wasn't disinformation. If we assume that Gina couldn't download, she is indeed dead and all her memories of the torture, etc are now gone from the Cylon memory bank.

Baltar on the other hand knows what happened and now the Six with Baltar figment and Baltar with Six figment can have some real fun if we can get all 4 going at each other simultaneously.

Hehe. Baltar's good conscience resides only in the "good" #6's head. Valeri on the otherhand seems to be "good" in every build. You can bet that Valeri, some of the #6s, and maybe The Preacher will be helping the humans on New Caprica.

Wow. Great stuff. The only bad thing is that we'll probably have to wait until next Jan for UHD to start running S3 in HD. Maybe by that time Universal will release S1/S2 in either of the new HD DVD formats. That would sure as hell sell a few pieces of harwdare. I know I would consider buying the one that offers BG in HD...

It's already been posted that UHD begins the series on 5/21 with the three hour, ten minute miniseries (if you're recording it, pad the ending--my Tivo missed the last few minutes last time it was shown). UHD will then begin with "33" on 5/28 and show each episode (June schedule (http://www.universalhd.com/Schedule/search.bravo?month=2006-12&keyword=Battlestar&start=today)).

The reason for this post is that my Tivo schedule is incorrect and I thought others might want to know. Tivo thinks that there is a three hour block next Sunday for "33" and "Water." If this is not corrected, Tivo will not automatically record those episodes when they are broadcast, thinking that they have already been recorded.

It's already been posted that UHD begins the series on 5/21 with the three hour, ten minute miniseries (if you're recording it, pad the ending--my Tivo missed the last few minutes last time it was shown). UHD will then begin with "33" on 5/28 and show each episode (June schedule (http://www.universalhd.com/Schedule/search.bravo?month=2006-12&keyword=Battlestar&start=today)).

The reason for this post is that my Tivo schedule is incorrect and I thought others might want to know. Tivo thinks that there is a three hour block next Sunday for "33" and "Water." If this is not corrected, Tivo will not automatically record those episodes when they are broadcast, thinking that they have already been recorded.
My E* 622 shows "33 and "Water" also...

My E* 622 shows "33 and "Water" also...

My D* HD-DVR shows the same. Can anyone confirm if the mini-series will air instead??

I think the provider of Tivo's schedule has it wrong. That happened with the final episode of season two as well, where the Tivo showed two one-hour episodes, rather than the one two-hour episode.

If you check my link to the Universal HD BSG schedule I think you'll find the reliable information. Although, as I said earlier, you should pad your recording with about 15 extra minutes. The mini-series ran about 9 or 10 minutes longer than scheduled when last broadcast on UHD.

My H10 , Sir 360 and Replays also say same... but will pad just in case...

FWIW, I have been nailed by UHD several times on several movies.

My standard procedure is to start 4 minutes early and run 6 minutes late. Only on UHD can you can start it a minute early and never miss the beginning (HBO is surprisingly good about this as well).

UHD pretty much starts everything major at :00 or :30 (or 30 seconds later if commercial sponsor up front).

However, unlike the other networks, it appears that anything that runs to somewhere around :12 to :13 over they still list as ending at the top of the hour.

Only if something truly runs past the quarter hour, do they list it to the top or bottom of the hour.

So, if a movie is 130 minutes and starts at 5:00PM, it will be listed til 7:00PM instead of 7:10PM, 7:15PM or 7:30PM.

They generally make up the time by running a "30 minute show" or a "60 minute show" without the 8 mintues of commercials per half hour to get back to the :00 start the next hour.

I recently got into this series and have caught up via netflix on dvd. It appears that all of Season 2 is not out yet on dvd. Is that correct?

I recently got into this series and have caught up via netflix on dvd. It appears that all of Season 2 is not out yet on dvd. Is that correct?

Correct. They have released the first half of S-2, with the second half being released on Sept. 19. My guess is there will be a combined complete second season set released around X-mas. But it's really anyone's guess at this point. It's a weird strategy, for sure.

I also caught up as much as I could using Netflix. But they are irritating the heck out of me by not putting the Season 2.5 DVDs up on their site so I can go ahead and get it in my queue. They usually have stuff up much quicker than this.

I wish SciFi was re-running the second half of season two before the next season starts.

Universal has plans for S1 to be released on HD-DVD sometime in the near future.

I also caught up as much as I could using Netflix. But they are irritating the heck out of me by not putting the Season 2.5 DVDs up on their site so I can go ahead and get it in my queue. They usually have stuff up much quicker than this.

I wish SciFi was re-running the second half of season two before the next season starts.


What's going on over at UHD? I thought Season One would be followed in reruns by Season Two. The schedule (http://www.universalhd.com/Schedule/search.bravo?month=2006-12&keyword=Battlestar&start=today) shows the early Season Two episodes are scheduled later this month. Then UHD is showing Season Two Recaps for most of September, including an occasional Friday and Saturday broadcast.

Is UHD planning to show Season Three simultaneously with Sci-Fi in October? I doubt it, but does someone know?

UHD is showing the recaps to bring UHD viewers that they hope will then migrate to the SD broadcasts on Sci-Fi up to speed for the beginning of Season Three. After the start of new Sci-Fi episodes, UHD will return to airing the Season Two reruns. (My guess.)

That would be to amazing to be true.

The "catch-up" special on BG, titled, "BattleStar Galactica: The Story So Far" airs on UHD:

Sunday, September 17th at 7/6C
Friday, September 22nd at 8/7C
Saturday, September 30th at 4/3C


It airs tonight (August 13th) on NBC at 10/9H in the Pacific and Alaska/Hawaii timezones ONLY, due to live football coverage. I assume that it will be in HD on NBC.

Eric

I wish SciFi was re-running the second half of season two before the next season starts.]I wish SciFi was re-running the second half of season two before the next season starts.

I'm in the "caught up to this fine series by Netflix" boat also. SciFi is running Season2 now on Friday nights at 2AM (EDT). However, the schedule appears to run in order and weekly with 10 episodes remaining that were not on the DVD. However, there are not 10 weeks left until the Oct 6 premiere. SO, I don't know what to expect unless they plan a last minute combo of the last 3 eps or something, just before the premiere. Their schedule lists thru Sept 29 (1 week to the new season) and leaves 3 episodes remaining. I hope they are reasonably clear as to what they are planning and tell us soon.

Are you without DVR?

v/r,
C-F

Are you without DVR?

v/r,
C-F

If that was directed to my post directly above, I am not sure what you are getting at. Yes, I have DVR's, but my point is that I'd prefer to see the conclusion of season 2 before starting the new season 3. If you are suggesting that I simply record the new season and not watch it for a couple of weeks while waiting for the end of the reruns, that's possible, but not my favorite solution. I would think/hope SciFi or UHD would schedule the eps they are running from season 2 to conclude just before season 3 starts.

I am watching the NBC BSG catch up on the comcast HD feed. The picture quality is very poor for HD. In scenes with motion there is a sort of haze that overlays the image. There are also occassional brief dropouts to a completely dark screen.

All in all the PQ is below the normal NBC HD feed. Better than the SD Sci-Fi digital feed, but not by much.

How disappointing.

the dropouts & small glitches have been (as far as i know) a local thing to KNTV for this past week.

last segment wasn't even HD, heh

I just checked the 4x3 override setting on the 3412. I never really looked at that before. It was off. I reset it and the picture on NBC shrank to letterboxed. PQ improved of course!. Yeah, not even HD. What a waste of HD bandwidth.

... record the new season ... that's possible, but not my favorite solution. ...Yes, that was the solution I was suggesting. I understand your position, it would seem to be the natural programming schedule.

But, I guess I do not have as strong an opinion about it - now that DVR are common, and the 0200 EDT time seems like a DVR target. After having one for 2-1/2 years, not having a DVR has really limited my options (as well as temporarily being on the East Coast where everything is past my bedtime).

v/r,
C-F

* Losing episodes to space or glitch issues would be more a function of the DVR.

Whoa...

I'm a newbie to this series (just finished S1 from Netflix), S2 disc 1 is on it's way, and I didn't realize that UHD has already aired Season 2 in it's entirety and is apparently just getting ready to re-air it all over again.

I thought UHD was pretty much where I am (finishing S1), so I thought this thread was safe.

Man, was I wrong...I just read back a few pages and saw some things that alarmed me, to say the very least.

My fault and all that...I should've done a little more research about what had already been shown on UHD. But, if anyone is just checking this thread out and has NOT seen S2 yet...do not read this thread if you want to avoid spoilers.

Haven't seen this posted anywhere else. The Battlestar Galactica recap is now up on the Xbox Live Marketplace:


http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2006/0829-battlestargalactica.htm


For the first time ever, a full-length TV show is featured in Xbox Live Marketplace. Xbox Live® members can watch Battlestar Galactica: The Story So Far, available as a FREE download to all connected Xbox 360™ gamers in the U.S.

Catch up with this innovative series before season three of Battlestar Galactica begins Friday, October 6. The one-hour show is narrated by Laura Roslin (Mary McDonnell), the Secretary of Education turned President turned resistance leader on Cylon-occupied New Caprica. Learn about humanity's costly struggle to survive against its deadliest enemy!

I am glad I discovered this show late, got to watch all of it in HD.

OMG it is good, easily the best TV series today (Veronica Mars a close second). For the 3rd season, I hope I have the will power to hold off for HD.

And boomer - what a babe! Like somebody said previously, she should be cloned 100 times.

I am feeling a bit of pride that this show is produced in my country.

Not sure if people have seen it but scifi.com is running two 'webisodes' a week until the new season kicks off over on scifi channel in October. About 2-3 minutes per... supposed to give some insight into the time passed between seasons 2 & 3.

Funny thing. When I typed in SciFi.com for some BSG updates, I was taken directly to the webisode page like it knew where I was going. No home page landing or indexes, just straight to the episodes. They're cool, but mostly teasers.

Funny thing. When I typed in SciFi.com for some BSG updates, I was taken directly to the webisode page like it knew where I was going. No home page landing or indexes, just straight to the episodes. They're cool, but mostly teasers.


That's now the default for scifi.com. There's a link to continue to the web site. I found it to be confusing. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Just a bump so that people (like me) who didn't remember the September schedule for "The Story So Far" update special, a one-hour recap of seasons 1 and 2 narrated by Mary McDonnell, started airing last night on Universal HD (I luckily stumbled across it, since there was no reminder in this thread). It airs again:

Friday 9/22 7:00 PM Eastern
Saturday 9/30 4:00 PM Eastern

Note for TiVo viewers: the title is just "Battlestar Galactica Special"

So is the HD run on UniversalHD definitely going to be much later than when the Scifi channel runs it?

Season Two begins again this Sunday. If Season Three begins at the conclusion of Two, that will be in twenty weeks, plus or minus.

Exactly, Phooey.

Since BSG starts on Oct 6th, there is no way they will be done with Season 2 in time.

Not that I am at all surprised, I am sure Sci Fi would have had a big problem losing their first airing rights. I just want my BSG in HD, and I will not be able to wait for it to show on UHD, I don't have that kind of fortitude :)

I'm watching HD episodes of BSG season 2.0 on Universal which I've owned on DVD for a year. The season 2.5 DVDs will be arriving any day now and I never bothered to watch them on Sci-Fi since the channel looks pretty bad on my cable system. Then NBC was kind enough to air "The Story So Far" to give away the ending of season 2.5 in case I hadn't watched the episodes on Sci-Fi like everyone else. My fault for not turning it off!

Boy, it seems like they really really want you to watch this show on Sci-Fi.

The season 2.5 DVDs will be arriving any day now

Netflix has them listed as "short wait" for me.

I've bought all of the DVDs because it's the best way I can (financially) support this fantastic show since I can't stand watching them on Sci-Fi.

I've bought all of the DVDs because it's the best way I can (financially) support this fantastic show since I can't stand watching them on Sci-Fi.

That's an interesting way to look at it, and I might be tempted to buy both S2.0 and S2.5 myself for the same altruistic reason, but I know that as soon as I do, they'll release a complete Season 2 set at half the total price of the current two sets. I really despise this "split season" DVD approach and feel it's just a way to soak the passionately loyal fan base of this amazing show. That approach simply tells me that they don't love us as much as we love them.

And, besides, I couldn't hold off seeing them when they first air anyway, no matter how bad they look on Sci-Fi - who am I kidding...?! ;)

I really despise this "split season" DVD approach and feel it's just a way to soak the passionately loyal fan base of this amazing show. That approach simply tells me that they don't love us as much as we love them.
Yes yes yes, they're sticking it to me, I hear you. If this were a show on a major network like "Lost" or on a second-tier network like "Smallville" I'd be less generous, but this show is on a cable channel. It doesn't have a big budget and would probably die on a real network. It's a miracle it's on the air at all.

It's also the only sci-fi show in decades that's totally grabbed me. All the recent Star Treks, Stargates, and Firefly have been so light I haven't been able to watch any of them for more than a few episodes before rolling my eyes and watching something else. BSG is as serious as any sci-fi I've ever seen.

Scowl, I thought that about Firefly too, and then gave it a 2nd chance on DVD. I highly recommend you reconsider and catch its whole 14episode run on UHD starting this Sat. Then watch Serenity right afterwards.

I expect you'll be pleasantly suprised.

Netflix has them listed as "short wait" for me.
My Netflix account shows that they will be delivered to me tomorrow :D!

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Not sure how they compare with the boxed products, but an HDTivo coupled to a DVD recorder provided pretty good DVD-Rs of both seasons.

I couldn't hold out for the UHD season last year and there is no reason to change now.

Scowl, I thought that about Firefly too, and then gave it a 2nd chance on DVD. I highly recommend you reconsider and catch its whole 14episode run on UHD starting this Sat. Then watch Serenity right afterwards.
I've watched the entire Firefly DVD box set (which is an incredibly high quality product in both packaging and PQ) and I'll probably be watching it again on UHD but there's no way I'm going to take anything in that silly campy show seriously.

It seemed more like a mediocre parody of a sci-fi show to me. So much of the dialog sounded like jokes without punchlines. Afterall, the episodes like "Jaynestown" that were intended to be funny were just as light as the ones (I think) were supposed te be taken seriously. There was nothing intense about the show at all and sci-fi without danger and conflict just doesn't appeal to me.

I've watched the entire Firefly DVD box set (which is an incredibly high quality product in both packaging and PQ) and I'll probably be watching it again on UHD but there's no way I'm going to take anything in that silly campy show seriously.

There was nothing intense about the show at all and sci-fi without danger and conflict just doesn't appeal to me.

Not a very fair assessment, IMO. Try watching "Out of Gas" again. That's as intense as anything I've seen on 'BSG', and I'm a huge fan of that show. Other episodes have similar intensity, but that one stands out. The difference is that there was an overt effort in 'Firefly' to infuse the shows with an element of lightheartedness to balance the gravity of many of the plotlines. I think it succeeded wildly.

Not a very fair assessment, IMO. Try watching "Out of Gas" again. That's as intense as anything I've seen on 'BSG', and I'm a huge fan of that show.
"Out of Gas" was one of the ones I liked because it had the fewest "Old West" references shoehorned into the dialog of any episode (which was a terrible idea from the beginning) and it did have a life or death problem-solving element to it instead of just the crew of the FIrefly on another heartwarming adventure, although the great main story was diluted with the flashbacks. I also liked "Objects in Space" since it also had few cutesy "Old West" references and a good plot twist but apparently not many Firefly fans liked that one.

Other episodes have similar intensity, but that one stands out. The difference is that there was an overt effort in 'Firefly' to infuse the shows with an element of lightheartedness to balance the gravity of many of the plotlines. I think it succeeded wildly.
I detected very little intensity in any of the episodes. They were mostly lovable quirky outwaws flying around in a goofy space ship commiting wacky crimes. By about the fifth episode I realized that I could remove all the sci-fi elements from every episode I'd seen without harming the plot at all. It didn't need to be sci-fi at all.