Unfortunately, with only 14 episodes under its belt, we'll never know just what direction Joss wanted to take Firefly. Serenity hints at it.

Anyone know when season 3 is going to start on UHD?

Anyone know when season 3 is going to start on UHD?

anyone?

Probably sometime in the fall. we're still in season 3.

Although, they did release the first half of season 2 in the spring last year, and then the second half, season 2.5 just before the start of season 3.

What I didn't like about that, is they charged around $40 for the first half, and the same for the second half getting $80 for the whole season. Where you got the complete 1st season for around $45.

Still haven't gotten myself to go and buy the second season for that reason. :mad:

Battlestar Moves To Sundays

SCI FI Channel's award-winning series Battlestar Galactica will move to a new timeslot starting Jan. 21, 2007: Sundays at 10 p.m. ET/PT, following the premiere of the new original series The Dresden Files at 9 p.m. (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=38969)

Thanks for the info. Now I can watch last season on UHD, and later watch the new!

Not sure that's good as it puts it in that "gotta go to work tomorrow so I'll stay home and watch TV tonight" slot that The Sopranos, Dexter and a lot of other shows compete for. Good thing that Comcast now has it OnDemand though not in HD.

I just checked UHD's web site. Last season's finale is airing on Dec 31 and Season 3 starts on Jan 27. The time & date posted by optivity are for the Sci Fi Channel.

I just checked UHD's web site. Last season's finale is airing on Dec 31 and Season 3 starts on Jan 27. The time & date posted by optivity are for the Sci Fi Channel.

Awesome news, thanks much for sharing.

Season 3 starts on Jan 27

For those of you who haven't noticed the 27th is a Saturday. Universal HD has really redone its schedule and moved things around.

Alright. I just spent my vacation catching on on Battlestar Galactica in preparation for Season 3 on UHD's January 27 premiere. I watched the Miniseries, Season 1, Season 2, and Season 2.5. I still have the 10 webisodes to see. Is that everything?

I can't wait till Season 3 in HD starts. Unfortunately, I only got to see the last 4 episodes of 2.5 in HD. The rest of my catchup was via torrents I burned to DVD.

I do plan to watch the Miniseries again in HD when it is shown on the 6th and 13th.

Is it ok to post here the HD screenshot of the "Jump"?

I don't see why not.

I'm glad I got to finally see this episode...the "jump" was probably the most "spoiled" scene I've encountered in watching BSG on UniHD. It was pretty cool, no doubt.

Now that it's past, I can start looking forward to the next inadvertant spoiler. ;)

P.S. I was stunned by Colonel Tigh's decision to off his wife. Wow. Pretty harsh.

Hardly, she was going to get ghosted either by him or someone else in a not as pleasent manner. Considering Tigh's tactics in his campaign against the cylons there really was no room for any other decision.

that was the single best episode of the show. period.

P.S. I was stunned by Colonel Tigh's decision to off his wife. Wow. Pretty harsh.

Stunned? Really?

I wanted to off her at least half a dozen times and I only spent a handful of Friday nights with her. :)

Except that she was being absolutely honest with him for the first time why she did what she did, ever, and he feels it's his duty somehow to kill her for it. If he would have stood up to the group and said he wouldn't do it, they would have listened to him. Ty will no longer be the same man.

That was an especially brutal scene - Tigh knowing he had to kill her; her knowing she had to die. And both of them being perfectly honest with each other maybe, as Dave suggests, for the first time. Their last act was to forgive each other, one for what she had done, one for what he was about to do. Powerful stuff.

That man was able to emote more with one eye than most of the cast can handle with both.

I had seen this on SciFi when it aired originally, but it was even more amazing in HD. That whole scene with the jump and the ensuing battle were incredible.

Ty will no longer be the same man.Yeah now maybe he will sober up without her shoving a bottle infront of him.

Yeah now maybe he will sober up without her shoving a bottle infront of him.Dobtfull. More likely he will dissapear into the bottle and give up completely. He clearly loved her and what he did will be more than he can take.

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/1900/battlestargalacticavu3.jpg

Except that she was being absolutely honest with him for the first time why she did what she did, ever, and he feels it's his duty somehow to kill her for it. If he would have stood up to the group and said he wouldn't do it, they would have listened to him. Ty will no longer be the same man.

Those were my thoughts as well.

She was a despicable character, no doubt...I just don't know if her actions warranted her execution, especially considering her motivations behind it all.

Regardless, it was a well-played and emotional scene, as stated above...

What really pissed me off was UHD's technical snaffooos more than anything else. Without propper DD5.1 like the last two seasons, this episode was much less effective than it could have been.

She was a despicable character, no doubt...I just don't know if her actions warranted her execution, especially considering her motivations behind it all.

Her actions are near the top of the list of things that warrant an execution in that situation. Tighe chose to do it humane, because of her motivations, but if he didn't do it, somebody else would have.

Her actions are near the top of the list of things that warrant an execution in that situation. Tighe chose to do it humane, because of her motivations, but if he didn't do it, somebody else would have.That as I said was an unknown quantity, espicially since he was the leader of the resistance. If he would have stood up for her they might have made an exception. But he didn't even try, and now he'll never know.

Not if they were smart. People don't generally overlook someone who was a significant part of trying to have them and their families killed. If Tighe had asked for an exception and held firm, they would have killed her, and Tighe would have been squeezed out of the resistance - and rightfully so.

Not if they were smart. People don't generally overlook someone who was a significant part of trying to have them and their families killed. If Tighe had asked for an exception and held firm, they would have killed her, and Tighe would have been squeezed out of the resistance - and rightfully so.He didn't need to ask. He was in charge. The risistance wasn't a democracy. You will see how it effects him and others back on the ship. I guarantee you things will start to fall apart very quickly.

But I agree he was in a tight spot. Now he doesn't want to live anymore. That will be his downfall.

It's not a democracy, but it also isn't immune to a coup or mutiny. If they had any sense of survival at all, Tighe would have been history - or they'd all better brush up on their toaster-polishing skills.

The affect on Tighe is a different matter - it was an extremely difficult predicament, and while he made the right decision, it doesn't mean he won't pay a price for it. It wouldn't be the first time someone's downfall was a direct result of poor spouse selection.

Has anyone said lately that this is absolutely the best show on TV? Tigh killing off his wife, and then when Starbuck realized that Casey wasn't really her child - powerful stuff. Can't wait for next week.

Many people have said that recently, including many television critics. The good news is that continues to be the case through Season 3.

Dobtfull. More likely he will dissapear into the bottle and give up completely. He clearly loved her and what he did will be more than he can take.
He is better off without her. The worst thing for any Alcoholic is another alcoholic, especially one that is a wife probably sleeping with half of the ship.

Kevin Smith was subbing for Ebert on Ebert and Roeper during the week when BSG 2.5 came out on DVD and said it was the best show on TV bar none. No suprise to us, but Roeper was shocked, he thought (like many others) it was a kiddy show like the old show.

He is better off without her. The worst thing for any Alcoholic is another alcoholic, especially one that is a wife probably sleeping with half of the ship.



Did you include the crew members from Pegasus also? :D

I agree with the other posts, if he had not killed her the others would have.

One thing's certain, after having to kill his own wife - he wasn't about to have any mercy or leniency for other conspirators.

Is this another one of those accidental spoilers?

Possibly.

Cleaned up the reference and yours and my quoting of it.

Reminder to everyone to avoid all references to things that haven't yet taken place on the UHD schedule.

Thanks.

I'm assuming that across the board what we are going to see is the difficulty of meshing the decisions made and life that was being lived on New Caprica against the life facing them again in the fleet as the dominant storyline for the remainder of the season.

anyone else notice grainy, dark, macroblocking video with BSG?

I know some of this is editor intent, but with the jerky shots, and dark sets, it's looking horrible for me (although not as bad as SCIFI)

I'm thinking it might just be UHD on comcrap (Boston), but i've seen other movies that have looked much better on the same channel... such as 1941 right now, and it's noticebly better.

Even Xylon's screencap seems to be rather soft /grainy (but missing macroblocking). I hope this is a UHD issue and not the original state the shows in.

Anyone know if the British HD showings are better?

anyone else notice grainy, dark, macroblocking video with BSG?

I know some of this is editor intent, but with the jerky shots, and dark sets, it's looking horrible for me (although not as bad as SCIFI)

I'm thinking it might just be UHD on comcrap (Boston), but i've seen other movies that have looked much better on the same channel... such as 1941 right now, and it's noticebly better.

Even Xylon's screencap seems to be rather soft /grainy (but missing macroblocking). I hope this is a UHD issue and not the original state the shows in.

Anyone know if the British HD showings are better?

Good question. By weekend I will post screencaps.

I assumed it was just my local Cable Co screwing up the quality of BSG by stealing bits.

This season has had terrible picture quality, macro-blocking all the time, other annoying artifacts, and 2.0 audio marked as 5.1 making it nearly impossible to use your pro-logic decoder.

It is almost unwatchable, Stargate Atlantis is the same way and since I have yet to be sucked in by that show, I am going to pass.

I love this show. You know you could go on forever with it. Perhaps find a really nice planet colonize it build a real fleet and start the whole thing over again with Cylons finding them.

anyone else notice grainy, dark, macroblocking video with BSG?

I know some of this is editor intent, but with the jerky shots, and dark sets, it's looking horrible for me (although not as bad as SCIFI)

I'm thinking it might just be UHD on comcrap (Boston), but i've seen other movies that have looked much better on the same channel... such as 1941 right now, and it's noticebly better.

Even Xylon's screencap seems to be rather soft /grainy (but missing macroblocking). I hope this is a UHD issue and not the original state the shows in.

Anyone know if the British HD showings are better?


Yup, PQ sux, but I think it is intentional, as the PQ on the season DVD's are terrible as well. I don't think you can blame this one on Comcast

anyone else notice grainy, dark, macroblocking video with BSG?
Dark and grainy are most likely artistic choices made by the Director/producer/DP- just look at Spielberg's last couple of movies for dark & grainy examples:
War of the Worlds (2005)
Minority Report (2002)
Artificial Intelligence: AI (2001)
Saving Private Ryan (1998)
Macroblocking is usually due to bit-starving by your cable provider. I have seen macroblocking on fast moving scenes, but I doubt it's UHD's fault.. I blame it on my local cable co.

The director's commentary on the DVD's explains that the grainy, dark monochrome look is the effect they are after. Another example is Band of Brothers, although that is probably more of a grainy, washed out monochrome.

Now the macroblocking you can blame on your provider.

I love this show. You know you could go on forever with it. Perhaps find a really nice planet colonize it build a real fleet and start the whole thing over again with Cylons finding them.

As long as they don't find Earth, take a group of boy scouts down to the surface on their invisible flying motorcylces, and travel back into the past to give the Nazis advanced Colonial technology.

I hope they start exploring the nature of the metal "toasters" a little more. What role they play, if they have feelings, etc. That is on top of finding out who the 5 other "skinjobs" are as well.

Dark and grainy are most likely artistic choices made by the Director/producer/DP- just look at Spielberg's last couple of movies for dark & grainy examples:
War of the Worlds (2005)
Minority Report (2002)
Artificial Intelligence: AI (2001)
Saving Private Ryan (1998)
Macroblocking is usually due to bit-starving by your cable provider. I have seen macroblocking on fast moving scenes, but I doubt it's UHD's fault.. I blame it on my local cable co.

I would guess grainy looking content is probably more susceptible to bit starving. I've noticed smoky foggy/scenes tend look terrible when encoded at too low a bitrate, grainy film probably causes a similar outcome.

Yeah I guess I should have chosen my description a bit better, as I know due to the documentary / war nature of the cinematography, that they're going for a gritty, shaky look.

With dark I meant horrible blacks that bleed into each other with no detail, and grain was more digital noise then real grain. Also the macroblocking is usually caused by the quick camera movements, or drastic changes of lighting and motion.

I'm dead sure it's either UHD or CC, just not sure who.. Also took a look at the IMDB and maybe someone with more expertise can comment on this:

Camera
Arriflex 435, Panavision Superspeed Lenses
Sony HDW-F900, Primo 8-72mm and 20-112mm Digital Zoom Lenses (modified by Panavision)

Film negative format (mm/video inches)
35 mm (Kodak Vision2 500T 5218) (high-speed shots)
Video (HDTV)

Cinematographic process
D5 (master format)
HDCAM (1080p/24) (source format)
Spherical (source format)

Printed film format
Video (HDTV)

to me it seems the show was filmed with HDTV/HD DVD's in mind, which makes hopeful that any future disk transfers will really make it shine. I'd really love a pristine version of this on a next gen dvd format!

I love this show. You know you could go on forever with it. Perhaps find a really nice planet colonize it build a real fleet and start the whole thing over again with Cylons finding them.

As long as they don't find Earth, take a group of boy scouts down to the surface on their invisible flying motorcylces, and travel back into the past to give the Nazis advanced Colonial technology.

Oh come on, we all know how this is going to end!

Humans find earth, but find the original humans didn't make it. Only a few of their animals survived for some reasons. Cylons find Earth, and decided that if they take all of the fleet humans technology, they will eventually forget about the cylons after generations living a primitive life. Humans become the founders of the greek empire / mesopotamia / ect. Cylons leave never to return.

I mean, doesn't anyone else think the Galatica looks a bit like an Ark?

:p

P.S. Que a return in 2007, from none other then the autobots ;)

Or they reach Earth and find that the 13th Colony is a bunch of "damn, dirty Apes" ;)

Or they reach Earth and find that the 13th Colony is a bunch of "damn, dirty Apes" ;)


I like that one. Nice crossover. :D

Actually, the fact is that they aren't really tied to any particular timeline. The original series was in present day, but they could also reach Earth and find either a primitive, or even a more advanced society than their own. The 13 colonies could have even originated from colonists from Earth.

Actually, the fact is that they aren't really tied to any particular timeline. The original series was in present day, but they could also reach Earth and find either a primitive, or even a more advanced society than their own. The 13 colonies could have even originated from colonists from Earth.

It's nice how they didn't timestamp the mini, isn't it? Leaves a huge opening on how to tie up the series on earth

They're going to make it to Earth to find a society to consumed with Anna Nicole hearings to notice.

We all know that the series will eventually get cancelled before they ever find earth.

Who's to say they can't find Earth, just so long after "The 13th Colony" has been there, there is no human life left there at all? (Meaning far into our future, or far in our past)

Maybe the 13th Colony never made it to Earth at all?

or Adam and Eve were 2 of the final 5 Cylons.

or even better, Starbuck goes clubbing, sees Mary Kate Olsen on the dance floor - then when she runs into Ashley in the bathroom, she blows her away. :D

or Adam and Eve were 2 of the final 5 Cylons.

or even better, Starbuck goes clubbing, sees Mary Kate Olsen on the dance floor - then when she runs into Ashley in the bathroom, she blows her away. :D

I've said since the beginning that being twins in the fleet would be extremely dangerous. :D

Whatever they do, I hope it's nothing like Battlestar Galactica 1980.

The combo of first class acting, intelligent scripting, unpredictable episodes, the producers' penchant for feeling unconfined to a linear storyline, and willing to jump ahead months, into new situations without having to dot every i or explain in detail how we suddenly got there -- is all making this first-rate theater of the highest order. One of the very best series ever shown on TV. Talk it up to your friends: BSG needs a bigger audience share if it is to thrive for further seasons. People are catching on, but will the market awaken fast enough?

The combo of first class acting, intelligent scripting, unpredictable episodes, the producers' penchant for feeling unconfined to a linear storyline, and willing to jump ahead months, into new situations without having to dot every i or explain in detail how we suddenly got there -- is all making this first-rate theater of the highest order. One of the very best series ever shown on TV. Talk it up to your friends: BSG needs a bigger audience share if it is to thrive for further seasons. People are catching on, but will the market awaken fast enough?

While I agree with your sentiments of the quality of the show, and it is simply amazing what they've been able to pull off on a bare-bones basic cable budget, I have to painfully disagree with your last sentence. BSG is, in fact, losing audience and it's dipped to such a level that SciFi was only willing to give it a 13 episode order next year instead of the typical 20 (I'm hoping they extend that later). And they're very aware that this is their most acclaimed and "buzzworthy" show. To say I'm mystified at the ratings numbers is a vast understatement. Considering the buzz and critical raves this show gets, they simply make no sense at all. There's something's fishy in Denmark with the Nielsen Company.

I tell ya, if they had a hotter-looking Starbuck, the ratings would go through the roof!

I tell ya, if they had a hotter-looking Starbuck, the ratings would go through the roof!

:D You, sir, are incorrigible!

Yeah, just let me say, before I bring this thread down on top of me, that post was for Archi's benefit. :D

We don't need another 5 pages of you two arguing over which Starbuck is/was better looking. ;)

Now waitaminute, neither of us ever once brought Dirk Benedict into the argument.

But, now that you mention it...

:)

While I agree with your sentiments of the quality of the show, and it is simply amazing what they've been able to pull off on a bare-bones basic cable budget, I have to painfully disagree with your last sentence. BSG is, in fact, losing audience and it's dipped to such a level that SciFi was only willing to give it a 13 episode order next year instead of the typical 20 (I'm hoping they extend that later). And they're very aware that this is their most acclaimed and "buzzworthy" show. To say I'm mystified at the ratings numbers is a vast understatement. Considering the buzz and critical raves this show gets, they simply make no sense at all. There's something's fishy in Denmark with the Nielsen Company.

The long waits and weird cuts in seasons, combined with moving the timeslot every 6 months doesn't help.

It really didn't help putting it on a friday night at 9, who's dumb idea was that?

...even most geeks have better things to do then watch tv on fridays!

like online video games?

The long waits and weird cuts in seasons, combined with moving the timeslot every 6 months doesn't help.

It really didn't help putting it on a friday night at 9, who's dumb idea was that?

...even most geeks have better things to do then watch tv on fridays!Dwight at an after hours mixer on the last episode of The Office,
[To Woman]"Do you watch Battlestar Galactica?" "No"? "You're an idiot" [Walks away...]:D

It really didn't help putting it on a friday night at 9, who's dumb idea was that?

It wasn't my dumb idea, but the show's best ratings were on Friday nights when it aired alongside the two Stargate series. The ratings began their downward slide when SciFi split it apart from new SG1 and Atlantis episodes and didn't improve with the move to Sunday night.

With hindsight, SciFi should have left the show in a three hour SciFriday block. All three shows suffered when that block was broken up.

I personally never have seen the show on the SciFi channel. I've seen all the episodes on UHD and DVDs and maybe one or two online. Maybe I'm dropping the ratings.

Now waitaminute, neither of us ever once brought Dirk Benedict into the argument.

But, now that you mention it...

:)

Well, Dirk certainly had better hair than Katee, I'll give him that. Even his flight helmut couldn't muss it up. The fleeing Colonials in the original Battlestar universe may have lacked many of the comforts of life, but they certainly didn't suffer from a shortage of hair spray. :p

I personally never have seen the show on the SciFi channel. I've seen all the episodes on UHD and DVDs and maybe one or two online. Maybe I'm dropping the ratings.
Same here, I wonder what % of the audience is not watching on SciFi, but instead waiting for the UHD version. I think you could at least estimate that by knowing the ratings from Universal HD, but I don't think Neilson or anyone else is yet rating viewers on HD only channels.

Same here, I wonder what % of the audience is not watching on SciFi

I have watched every episode - from the miniseries through Exodus, Part II - on UHD and not even reruns on SciFi. The picture quality on SciFi is horrible but it is crystal clear on UHD. If it stopped airing on UHD I would probably wait for it on DVD/HD-DVD/BluRay and still not watch it on SciFi.

If it isn't the highest rated show on UHD I don't know what is. Maybe Skulls 3?

Dwight at an after hours mixer on the last episode of The Office,
[To Woman]"Do you watch Battlestar Galactica?" "No"? "You're an idiot" [Walks away...]:D

Well, sure. I do that all the time at parties. I call it "tough love". :)

Well, Dirk certainly had better hair than Katee, I'll give him that. Even his flight helmut couldn't muss it up. The fleeing Colonials in the original Battlestar universe may have lacked many of the comforts of life, but they certainly didn't suffer from a shortage of hair spray. :p

Where Thrace scores points over Dirk is in toughness. I find it very plausible that she's been in her share of fistfights. The evidence is clearly there all over her face.

Whereas Dirk, well, he was "Face" on the A-Team afterall. :D

Where Thrace scores points over Dirk is in toughness. I find it very plausible that she's been in her share of fistfights.
When Kira was being held prisoner (sort of) in the Cylon breeding hospital, the skin job doctor said that the x-rays showed almost every one of her fingers had been broken at one time or another. She didn't deny it, nor did she explain it.

When Kira was being held prisoner (sort of) in the Cylon breeding hospital, the skin job doctor said that the x-rays showed almost every one of her fingers had been broken at one time or another. She didn't deny it, nor did she explain it.

Yeah, she doesn't exactly have lovely "lady" hands, does she? Another area where "Face" wins the round. :)

Btw guys - Today is Dirk Benedict's birthday. He's 63. :)

Same here, I wonder what % of the audience is not watching on SciFi, but instead waiting for the UHD version. I think you could at least estimate that by knowing the ratings from Universal HD, but I don't think Neilson or anyone else is yet rating viewers on HD only channels.

I DVR'd all of the SciFi channel Episodes, but didn't watch any of them. Instead I figured I could what 'til it came out on UHD. I'm glad I did. Waiting for the HD viewing experience is worth it IMHO.

CCourtney

I DVR'd all of the SciFi channel Episodes, but didn't watch any of them. Instead I figured I could what 'til it came out on UHD. I'm glad I did. Waiting for the HD viewing experience is worth it IMHO.

CCourtney

You, sir, are possessed of a level of self-control that I can only envy, but never emulate. I salute you! Me, I'd claw through an airlock to get to a new episode of this show. And, come to think of it, watching on SciFi is kinda' like that.

Yeah, I've been waiting for the show to air in HD too, I gotta get my Starbuck fix in HiDef!

FWIW, the SciFi channel has to be the most underachieving channel of them all. So much potential there mostly wasted on B-movies reruns.

Same here, I wonder what % of the audience is not watching on SciFi, but instead waiting for the UHD version. I think you could at least estimate that by knowing the ratings from Universal HD, but I don't think Neilson or anyone else is yet rating viewers on HD only channels.


Never once watched on Sci-Fi, though I didn't start watching the show at all until I got the season DVD's last summer. I waited for season 3 until they showed on UHD. I just can't watch the Sci-Fi channel, which is a damn shame

Yeah, I've been waiting for the show to air in HD too, I gotta get my Starbuck fix in HiDef!


Atta' boy; knew you'd come around. Here's something to tide you over 'till next telecast...

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/51/katee2yv8.th.jpg (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=katee2yv8.jpg)

*sigh* Truely, such loveliness is indeed otherwordly. :)

I like Starbuck OK, but I'd much prefer either #6, Sharon or Petty Officer Dualla. Or do Cylons count? If not, Dualla it is. ;)

I like Starbuck OK, but I'd much prefer either #6, Sharon or Petty Officer Dualla. Or do Cylons count? If not, Dualla it is. ;)


Give me Sharon any day

Atta' boy; knew you'd come around. Here's something to tide you over 'till next telecast...

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/51/katee2yv8.th.jpg (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=katee2yv8.jpg)

*sigh* Truely, such loveliness is indeed otherwordly. :)

Friend, you must not know extreme-sarcasm when you see it.

And, "otherworldly" is right. I've seen better looking aliens in the Mos Eisley Cantina. :)

And, "otherworldly" is right. I've seen better looking aliens in the Mos Eisley Cantina. :)

Ack! :eek: The Dark Side is strong in you, young padawan. ;)

I'm sure it's been done before but I'll rank the BSG hotties in my order of preference:

Sharon - Just super-beautiful and fit, and I love how she had a particularly randy side when she was with Chief

6 - We've seen so many sides of her (vulnerable, intimidating, nurturing) that you almost feel like you know her.

Dualla - Those eyes are so striking. Contacts?

Xena - Hard to believe she was once Xena, she looks so much better now, even though she's much older.

Roslyn's Assistant - Don't know her name but she's an exotic beauty.

All other chicks - Are Dualla and the asst the only reasonably attractive non-Cylon? I don't consider Chief's wife all that.

Starbuck? - Well, she's hotter than Colonel Tigh, I'll give her that.

Another BSG hottie: Racetrack (Leah Cairns)
http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1489668/

Grace Park is probably my favorite but I agree with somebody else that Lucy Lawless has gotten better looking as she's aged. She's dead now, but I always that Maya (Erica Cerra) was extremely attractive and she sure looks different on BSG than she does as the deputy in Eureka.

Roslyn's Assistant - Don't know her name but she's an exotic beauty.
Incidentally, Rekha Sharma, who plays Rosyln's assistant, was the lab geek on John Doe. Yes she's an exotic beauty but on John Doe she was that geeky beauty. It's amazing how much a role changes a person.

Another BSG hottie: Racetrack (Leah Cairns)
http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1489668/

I have absolutely no memory of her. Must've been a small side character.

She's dead now, but I always that Maya (Erica Cerra) was extremely attractive and she sure looks different on BSG than she does as the deputy in Eureka.


I'm guessing that was the woman that was entrusted with the half-breed baby? If so, yes, very attractive but not in a prominent enough role probably to be considered here IMO.

I'm guessing that was the woman that was entrusted with the half-breed baby?
Yes
very attractive but not in a prominent enough role probably to be considered here IMO.
Let's just agree it's a shame we won't be seeing anymore of her.

I have absolutely no memory of her. Must've been a small side character.
Racetrack is still on the show as of today- 3/2/2007. Please don't kill her off !

I can agree with that.

One thing about this show, almost all of the women have a very sophisticated air about them, even when they are grunging it up on "new caprica."

I guess there is one exception to that though...

One thing about this show, almost all of the women have a very sophisticated air about them, even when they are grunging it up on "new caprica."

I guess there is one exception to that though...

Stop. Right. There. ;)

Archi - You have a picture of Katee/Kira hanging in your house, don't you? :D

Archi - You have a picture of Katee/Kira hanging in your house, don't you? :D

That's a sore subject, Irmo. The court made me get rid of my life-size Katee-cutouts after that whole stalking thing last year. Killjoys.

:p

Man, gotta hate that.

If Katee knew how you tirelessly defended her in AVS threads, she would have testified on your behalf I'm sure.

Man, gotta hate that.

If Katee knew how you tirelessly defended her in AVS threads, she would have testified on your behalf I'm sure.

:D I dunno, after she caught me pitching my pup-tent on her lawn (if you know what I mean) she sorta' stopped speaking to me. I just figured she was playing hard to get until, you know, the restraining order arrived. That little minx; she'll come around...



(okay, I'm done now; we better get back O.T. before someone throws us out an air lock. :o )

the restraining order arrived

Since they film the show in Canada, do American court restraining orders work up there and vice versa? You might want to look into that. :rolleyes:

I can't allow us to get completely back OT without acknowledging the pup-tent-on-her-lawn comment. :D

I'm sure it's been done before but I'll rank the BSG hotties in my order of preference:

Sharon - Just super-beautiful and fit, and I love how she had a particularly randy side when she was with Chief

6 - We've seen so many sides of her (vulnerable, intimidating, nurturing) that you almost feel like you know her.

Dualla - Those eyes are so striking. Contacts?

Xena - Hard to believe she was once Xena, she looks so much better now, even though she's much older.

Roslyn's Assistant - Don't know her name but she's an exotic beauty.

All other chicks - Are Dualla and the asst the only reasonably attractive non-Cylon? I don't consider Chief's wife all that.



I can't belive anyone, talking about the Hotties of Galactica, hasn't mentioned the mature, thinking man's sex symbol, Mary McDonnell. How many of you haven't thought, one time or another, "Dang, that Laura Roslin is hawt!" Don't deny it you wankers.

I can't belive anyone, talking about the Hotties of Galactica, hasn't mentioned the mature, thinking man's sex symbol, Mary McDonnell. How many of you haven't thought, one time or another, "Dang, that Laura Roslin is hawt!" Don't deny it you wankers.

no actually, that's kinda the last thing on my mind when i see her. or maybe there's something wrong with me??

I can't belive anyone, talking about the Hotties of Galactica, hasn't mentioned the mature, thinking man's sex symbol, Mary McDonnell. How many of you haven't thought, one time or another, "Dang, that Laura Roslin is hawt!" Don't deny it you wankers.
Nope.

All other chicks - Are Dualla and the asst the only reasonably attractive non-Cylon? I don't consider Chief's wife all that.


I'd put Kat (Luciana Carro) on the list, although she looks better in real life than on BSG.

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/hh/1382781/HH/1382781/sieflowphotoorange.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Carro,%20Luciana

From a female perspective, the BSG hot guys (hey, don't laugh - maybe there's some other females lurking on here!):

1. Sam
2. Apollo
3. Helo
4. Baltar (when he's not covered in hair)
5. Leoben
6. Gaeta (yeah, he's gay, so what?!)

If you guys care what a straight woman thinks, in my opinion, the most attractive female on the show is a tie between Sharon and Number Six. I don't think Starbuck is ugly at all. And I hope and pray I look as good as Mary McDonnell when I'm 54.

How many of you haven't thought, one time or another, "Dang, that Laura Roslin is hawt!" Don't deny it you wankers.

Never not even once, but then I like my women younger. That's one reason I am looking forward to getting older, being a dirty old man always seemed fun.

I will be checking out the 20 year old's until I am dead and buried

I can't belive anyone, talking about the Hotties of Galactica, hasn't mentioned the mature, thinking man's sex symbol, Mary McDonnell. How many of you haven't thought, one time or another, "Dang, that Laura Roslin is hawt!" Don't deny it you wankers.

I often can't tell when you're being serious or not, but I'll answer with an absolutely not. The last time she was moderately attractive was in Dances with Wolves and even then only so much.

There's just something about her that I find unappealing in "that" way. As others have said, she looks great for 54 though, and kudos to her for, I guess, not going the route of the plastic surgeon. She also plays the "mature matriarch" role (in Independence Day too) very well, so I definitely like having her on the show.

I'd put Kat (Luciana Carro) on the list, although she looks better in real life than on BSG.

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/hh/1382781/HH/1382781/sieflowphotoorange.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Carro,%20Luciana

"Hot Dog", right? I know it's stupid to think this way, but her personality on the show just turns me off too much. One of my least favorite characters, along with you-know-who and her wife, er, husband.

From a female perspective, the BSG hot guys (hey, don't laugh - maybe there's some other females lurking on here!):

1. Sam
2. Apollo
3. Helo
4. Baltar (when he's not covered in hair)
5. Leoben
6. Gaeta (yeah, he's gay, so what?!)

If you guys care what a straight woman thinks, in my opinion, the most attractive female on the show is a tie between Sharon and Number Six. I don't think Starbuck is ugly at all. And I hope and pray I look as good as Mary McDonnell when I'm 54.


I saw Jamie Bamber (Apollo) in person yesterday. The camera does not do him justice.

I can't belive anyone, talking about the Hotties of Galactica, hasn't mentioned the mature, thinking man's sex symbol, Mary McDonnell. How many of you haven't thought, one time or another, "Dang, that Laura Roslin is hawt!" Don't deny it you wankers.

I'm with you, archguy. I'll admit I've thought that, even though I'm more than 15 years younger than her.

I saw Jamie Bamber (Apollo) in person yesterday. The camera does not do him justice.

That is totally NOT fair! ;)

I'm with you, archguy. I'll admit I've thought that, even though I'm more than 15 years younger than her.


She's looks damn good for 54! How many of you guys ragging on her are 54? Let's see how you look? :D

Younger Women are just that,young. My ego is just fine as it is. Since I've been divorced I've dated younger Women and yes the ego boost is nice for awhile but then the age differences and outlook on life and it's problems surface. The young ones you crave now will eventually get older and then what...............? :rolleyes:



Reminds me of a joke one guy told me at work. It's offensive but true.

He said "Is your wife good in bed?" Answer yes, "How do you think she got that way"?

"Hot Dog", right? I know it's stupid to think this way, but her personality on the show just turns me off too much. One of my least favorite characters, along with you-know-who and her wife, er, husband.

I thought Hot Dog was a guy! :eek:

IMDB lists her as: Lt. Louanne 'Kat' Katraine.

Anyway, I agree that her personality makes her seem less attractive, much like a certain captain named after a chain of coffee shops.

I thought Hot Dog was a guy! :eek:

IMDB lists her as: Lt. Louanne 'Kat' Katraine.

IMDB is right then, of course, I'm getting her mixed up the guy I guess. It's hard for me to keep up with the names of all the ancillary characters on this show.

Anyway, I agree that her personality makes her seem less attractive, much like a certain captain named after a chain of coffee shops.

Oh man, I don't believe it...a kindred soul. I'm speechless.

Hot Dog is played by Bodie Olmos (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0647453/), the son of Edward James Olmos.

Hot Dog is played by Bodie Olmos (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0647453/), the son of Edward James Olmos.

That apple fell far from the tree, he looks nothing like his dad.

OT, I've visited Bodie, the ghost town he's evidently named after, it's pretty cool. It's worth a side trip if you're in the area.

Oh man, I don't believe it...a kindred soul. I'm speechless.
She tries so hard being a tough guy, she's neither girl nor guy (a freak?)

Hot Dog is played by Bodie Olmos (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0647453/), the son of Edward James Olmos.
Interesting, he was named after a ghost town near the California border with the Nevada high desert, just north of Mono Lake. I've been there, interesting place.

I see scolumbo already mentioned it. :p

If you go there, be sure to check out Mono Lake as well, while it's still there... :rolleyes:

She tries so hard being a tough guy, she's neither girl nor guy (a freak?)

The whole point is that, in the BSG universe, men and women warriors are cut from the same bolt of cloth (They even use the same bathroom!). Starbuck is the best warrior in the fleet, as they've shown many times. But nobody would mistake her for a guy; sheesh. :rolleyes: I'm sure the Israeli Air Force probably has a number of women just like her.

But nobody would mistake her for a guy; sheesh. :rolleyes:
Speak for yourself. :p

Frankly, I think it's the fact that she's tying too hard to "act" tough and it just isn't convincing to me. The one actor in BSG that I could do without.

Frankly, I think it's the fact that she's tying too hard to "act" tough and it just isn't convincing to me.
That's part of her personality. The show has constantly hinted that she has serious emotional problems and hides under this phony tough girl act. It's not supposed to be totally convincing.

As far as I can remember, she's the only human to kill a Cylon with her bare hands so she's not just "acting" tough.

(Wait, Baldar stepped on a half-dead one this week, dunno if that should count!)

I can separate the character trying to act tough (which I agree with) with the actress trying to play the part of acting tough (which is not convincing to me).

I say bring back Dirk Benedict. :D

Oh man, I can't believe what I'm reading. SColumbo is taking the words right out of my mouth.

archi - Now, you've got two of us to contend with. :D

I say bring back Dirk Benedict. :D

They are. Saturday at 9pm on SciFi: Earthstorm. ;)

Oh man, I can't believe what I'm reading. SColumbo is taking the words right out of my mouth.

archi - Now, you've got two of us to contend with. :D

I know we're not supposed to spoilerize the first-run showings on SciFi (and I won't), but if you guys didn't see Sunday night's episode, well, let's just say you'll be changing your tune on Starbuck when you see it. Wow, just wow. :eek: This show never ceases to amaze.

I know we're not supposed to spoilerize the first-run showings on SciFi (and I won't), but if you guys didn't see Sunday night's episode, well, let's just say you'll be changing your tune on Starbuck when you see it. Wow, just wow. :eek: This show never ceases to amaze.


And all through the episode I was saying; This would look FANTASTIC in HD. I just can't believe all the special effects are wasted on low bitrate Sci-Fi.

I don't know about sc, but I only watch on UHD so I have no idea what you're talking about. I've had several things spoiled for me on this thread, so it's not a real big deal. I know it's the nature of the beast watching it delayed like I do.

I do know that she wins some kind of Colonial boxing title which is another "gimme a break" moment I'm really looking forward to.

I don't know about sc, but I only watch on UHD so I have no idea what you're talking about. I've had several things spoiled for me on this thread, so it's not a real big deal. I know it's the nature of the beast watching it delayed like I do.

I do know that she wins some kind of Colonial boxing title which is another "gimme a break" moment I'm really looking forward to.

That's kind of a "filler" episode; there have been several of them this season (which I've enjoyed as well - even a filler ep of BSG is better than 95% of what's on the tube). No, this last ep will blow you away when you see it. :cool:

Looking forward to it.

In the last UHD episode, we were introduced to the Cylon's "Dune" like FTL system. Any potential that we'll see that character in a more normal role? She looked an awful lot like Claudia Schiffer in the face.

I can separate the character trying to act tough (which I agree with) with the actress trying to play the part of acting tough (which is not convincing to me).
What is she doing wrong? What could she do that would convince you she's not tough and at times just pretending to be tough, yet at other times is actually tough? She's been handed a difficult and somewhat inconsistant character to play here.

Remember that subtle acting is very strongly discouraged on the little screen. If a television actor is supposed to be "pretending" to act a certain way, that phoniness needs to be telegraphed all over the screen in every episode otherwise viewers will forget that the character is acting phony, especially the all-important new viewers. It's easy to forget this rule since BSG is such an excellent show but it still applies unfortunately.

I honestly think Katee Sackhoff may be the breakout star that comes from this series. Obviously, Olmos and McDonnell were already well known, so I'm not counting them. I think Katee has played the role extremely well. And the fact that fans (for the most part!) really have taken to her character after so much early controversy and venom really speaks volumes about her and her performance. It's a tough role to play, especially when you consider that Sackhoff describes herself as being almost totally the opposite of Starbuck.

James Callis is also outstanding.

If she becomes the breakout star on the show, it's because she was handed the plum role. I mean really, who else has a more meaty and juicy part than Starbuck?

Personally, I think Katee is a weak actress and it seems like I can see right through her on every scene, a minority opinion I know.

She remains the only eye-rolling part of BSG for me anymore, similar to the Nikki/Jessica storyline on Heroes, and the Nikki/Paulo scenes of Lost.

Looking forward to it.

In the last UHD episode, we were introduced to the Cylon's "Dune" like FTL system. Any potential that we'll see that character in a more normal role? She looked an awful lot like Claudia Schiffer in the face.

We don't get any more info on the Cylon FTL system (at least thru the current first-run episodes). When I first saw it, I figured that had to be one of last 5 Cylon models, but apparently not. Just like the raiders are a flesh & blood/machine hybrid, so are the baseships, I guess. And you're right; the base ship "pilot" is a cutie. But she just kind of lies there in her tank and babbles incoherently. I dated a girl like that once. :p

Once again, it appears IrmoGamecoq and I agree on Katee Sackhoff. What is she doing wrong? That's difficult to pinpoint and even more difficult to explain. Maybe it's overacting. I just know that while every other character seems believable to me, she doesn't. It's like I know she's acting the part, while the other actors seem to live the character.

I realize she has a difficult role, IMO she just isn't up to it. The character needs a better actor to pull it off.

I know we're not supposed to spoilerize the first-run showings on SciFi (and I won't), but if you guys didn't see Sunday night's episode, well, let's just say you'll be changing your tune on Starbuck when you see it. Wow, just wow. :eek: This show never ceases to amaze.
Well, you have peaked my interest. I have the current SciFi episode on the DVR, I just haven't watched it yet. If you're correct, I'll be the first to say I was wrong (for this episode anyway).

I do agree with you about the show in general, simply outstanding.

How many episodes behind are the UHD showings from the ones on SciFi?

And you're right; the base ship "pilot" is a cutie. But she just kind of lies there in her tank and babbles incoherently. I dated a girl like that once. :p

Nice. :D

Once again, it appears IrmoGamecoq and I agree on Katee Sackhoff. What is she doing wrong? That's difficult to pinpoint and even more difficult to explain. Maybe it's overacting. I just know that while every other character seems believable to me, she doesn't. It's like I know she's acting the part, while the other actors seem to live the character.


Who knows what she's doing wrong, but it's something. Just like a singer doesn't sound "quite right" but you can't figure out technically "why," I think it's the same here with her portrayal.

We're obviously in the minority though, both here at AVS and in general (since I think she was nominated for some type of Emmy). But then, heck, I thought for a long time that I was the only one that thought this way.

How many episodes behind are the UHD showings from the ones on SciFi?

I think UHD is about 8 to 10 episodes behind SciFi.

Who knows what she's doing wrong, but it's something. Just like a singer doesn't sound "quite right" but you can't figure out technically "why," I think it's the same here with her portrayal.

We're obviously in the minority though, both here at AVS and in general (since I think she was nominated for some type of Emmy). But then, heck, I thought for a long time that I was the only one that thought this way.

No, I also agree.

Would we be so critical of her acting if she was HOT? Probably not.

No, I also agree.

Cool, the resistance is growing.

Would we be so critical of her acting if she was HOT? Probably not.

To listen to some 'round here, she is. :D

All right, that's enough boys. Katee Sackoff is not an ugly girl. She is, if fact, quite attractive, especially when she has long hair. (If she wasn't, she wouldn't have been cast in the first place. Homely girls don't get cast in TV shows, in case you haven't noticed. So there.) Now, is she the rail-thin paradigm of beauty (think Grace Park) that is so celebrated in our culture? Nah. She's what we used to call "big boned" - she ain't chunky, just a big girl. But she is an attractive girl. So say we all, gods dammit. ;)

And she's a much better actress than some are giving her credit for as well. The proof will come when ya'll see "Maelstrom" (the jaw-dropping first-run episode just broadcast). In fact, if my boy Irmo doesn't form an entirely different opinion of Katee's acting chops after seeing that ep, why, I'll eat my flight helmet. :p

Keep your salt-and-pepper and ketchup handy, you'll probably need it when that episode comes around on UHD. :D

One (non-Starbuck) problem I had with the current episode is the complete acceptance of Sharon (now Athena) by the Galactica crew, rescued crew notwithstanding. Seems a little implausible that she would've won them all over considering she is a cylon afterall and considering what her previous model did (committed a heroic act of destroying a resurrection ship, then promptly shot Adama in the chest). Might have been more convincing had there been a few with a dissenting opinion. It makes more drama that way too.

All right, that's enough boys. Katee Sackoff is not an ugly girl. She is, if fact, quite attractive, especially when she has long hair. (If she wasn't, she wouldn't have been cast in the first place. Homely girls don't get cast in TV shows, in case you haven't noticed. So there.) Now, is she the rail-thin paradigm of beauty (think Grace Park) that is so celebrated in our culture? Nah. She's what we used to call "big boned" - she ain't chunky, just a big girl. But she is an attractive girl. So say we all, gods dammit. ;)

And she's a much better actress than some are giving her credit for as well. The proof will come when ya'll see "Maelstrom" (the jaw-dropping first-run episode just broadcast). In fact, if my boy Irmo doesn't form an entirely different opinion of Katee's acting chops after seeing that ep, why, I'll eat my flight helmet. :p

ok, since you seemed to lay down the challenge, I tried to watch this episode with an open mind. Without trying to give away anything in the thread, she is asked to convey a range of emotion and the backstory helps to explain her character.

Sorry, but it didn't change my opinion. She just doesn't do it for me. At times I could appreciate her acting, other times, it just felt forced.

Besides that (and hopefully unrelated to my opinion of her acting abilities), you can make all the excuses you want (short hair, big-boned, etc.) she is just not attractive. I can appreciate the acting abilities of Meryl Streep or Judi Densch and not find them attractive either.

By the way, good episode. Another reason why BSG is the best show on TV right now.

Besides that (and hopefully unrelated to my opinion of her acting abilities), you can make all the excuses you want (short hair, big-boned, etc.) she is just not attractive. I can appreciate the acting abilities of Meryl Streep or Judi Densch and not find them attractive either.

By the way, good episode. Another reason why BSG is the best show on TV right now.

Well, everyone's taste is different, but generally speaking, most people (even babies who shouldn't know any better) have an innate conception of what constitutes "beauty" in human beings. They've got benchmarks for it and stuff; it's been studied a good bit. You know, symmetrical features, that sort of thing. And Katee is simply not homely. Maybe not your cup of proverbial tea, but she is attractive enough to get a plumb gig on a big-time TV show. ;) And plenty of us find her cute as hell. And finally, it's kind of unfair to compare her to Streep or Densch who are one and two generations older, respectfully. (And anyone who saw "The Devil Wears Prada" knows that Meryl is still a striking-looking woman.)

But, your last paragraph? Spot on, man! On that we can agree. So say we all! :)

Sorry, archi, "homely" is exactly how I would describe Starbuck/Sackhoff.

Her body is fine, not particularly great, not particularly bad (obviously she's not fat, and I wouldn't even say "big boned"), but her face is homely to me.

That is only part of the equation though, as we've discussed. I just feel like I can see right through her in most scenes. She's like nails on a chalkboard to me on this show. It doesn't help that they write the most ridiculous sequences for her too.

Well, I don't mind her. I'm basically indifferent, and if I passed her on the street, I'd neither grimace, nor turn around to watch her walk away.

What I do hate about BSG is the overuse of the word "frak"...is it just me or has it gotten progressively worse....as in it used to be about once per show, and now it's about 10? I grimace everytime they say it. My wife laughs everytime they say it.

Sorry, archi, "homely" is exactly how I would describe Starbuck/Sackhoff.
So you think she's homely. BSG is not Bikini Destinations.

Mary McDonnel is old. Edward James Olmos has wretched skin. Michael Hogan is bald. Who cares what the actors look like as long as it's a good show?

That is only part of the equation though, as we've discussed. I just feel like I can see right through her in most scenes. She's like nails on a chalkboard to me on this show. It doesn't help that they write the most ridiculous sequences for her too.
I have no idea what you're talking about here. "See right through her"? "Ridiculous sequences"?

I spend a lot of time around female athletes so maybe I'm just used to being around strong tough women. Starbuck would fit right in with them. I think she'd be a great quarterback.

What I do hate about BSG is the overuse of the word "frak"...is it just me or has it gotten progressively worse....as in it used to be about once per show, and now it's about 10? I grimace everytime they say it. My wife laughs everytime they say it.

I'm kind of amused at how they've managed to use it in nearly every single instance where the "other word" would be used. It's illustrative of the silliness of censorship, but that's a whole 'nother issue. I've even managed to work it into my vocabulary as a replacement for the "other word" most of the time. You can use it any time you'd feel awkward using the other one; it's great. ;)

So you think she's homely. BSG is not Bikini Destinations.

Mary McDonnel is old. Edward James Olmos has wretched skin. Michael Hogan is bald. Who cares what the actors look like as long as it's a good show?

I didn't bring the term up, and I also pointed out that it's only "part of the equation." (you actually quoted it even)


I have no idea what you're talking about here. "See right through her"? "Ridiculous sequences"?


It's been discussed before but she's always the best at everything...best pilot is one thing, but best recon-marine, best sniper, best interrogator, heck even best boxer from what I hear. Those are the "ridiculous sequences" I speak of.

Apparently, it's been explained that the writers didn't have the funds to assign these "best" qualities to characters that weren't going to be around for long...I guess that's a fair explanation, but it's still ridiculous that she is such a superwoman...especially since the actress doesn't convey that super nature at all for me.

I'm kind of amused at how they've managed to use it in nearly every single instance where the "other word" would be used. It's illustrative of the silliness of censorship, but that's a whole 'nother issue. I've even managed to work it into my vocabulary as a replacement for the "other word" most of the time. You can use it any time you'd feel awkward using the other one; it's great. ;)

You can spot a true BSG nerd by their use of that term. Thankfully, it only shows up online in forums like this. ;)

FWIW, I've noticed this season that they're increasingly make it sound like the "other" word it has replaced. More like a "frok." A few times, I've given the double-take because I thought they were actually saying it.

You can spot a true BSG nerd by their use of that term. Thankfully, it only shows up online in forums like this. ;)

FWIW, I've noticed this season that they're increasingly make it sound like the "other" word it has replaced. More like a "frok." A few times, I've given the double-take because I thought they were actually saying it.

It takes me completely out of the show. Like when I'm supposed to be in suspense with an argument/scene and someone blurts out "FRAK YOU!" Rather than be in suspense, I am rolling my eyes.

I'd much rather them just use "acceptable" swearing like "hell" and "dammit." Or maybe grow a pair and go the FX route and use some "real" swearing here and there if they want to make it sound more realistic.

Maybe it wouldn't be so distracting if I tried to work it into my everyday conversations more. I'll also try to work it into my pillow talk. Yeah, the wife will like that more than the other word, I'm sure.

Maybe it wouldn't be so distracting if I tried to work it into my everyday conversations more. I'll also try to work it into my pillow talk. Yeah, the wife will like that more than the other word, I'm sure.

:D

It's been discussed before but she's always the best at everything...best pilot is one thing, but best recon-marine, best sniper, best interrogator, heck even best boxer from what I hear. Those are the "ridiculous sequences" I speak of.
Yeah, I can understand this. They're trying to cram too many abilities into one composite character that would be better spread over more characters. This is the fault of the writing and maybe the size of the cast.

I still don't know what you mean by "convey that super nature". She's not doing anything superhuman on this show. Does she need to bend steel bars and leap tall buildings in a single bound to be an outstanding soldier?

I've been around women boxers too. OK she wouldn't last long against the women I've seen. Remember that this is just low-budget television show and from what I've read that was (will be on UHD) a budget-balancing episode. ;)

There was an episode recently on SciFi that I could swear they used the "other" word. I forgot who said it, but my wife and I looked at each other in disbelief that they could get away with it.

Not to beat a dead horse, but my only reason for bringing up Katee's looks is that others seem to think it's important. It is immaterial to me what she looks like as far as her role on the show. Maybe being unattractive is even an advantage for that character, although I'll admit a whole cast of unattractive actresses would probably detract from my positive view of the show.

I have to agree, she would probably make a great football quarterback. In fact, she reminds of a couple of rugby players I used to know in my college days.

Yeah, I can understand this. They're trying to cram too many abilities into one composite character that would be better spread over more characters. This is the fault of the writing and maybe the size of the cast.

Exactly. But it involves her character so it adds to the nails-on-chalkboard nature for me.

I still don't know what you mean by "convey that super nature". She's not doing anything superhuman on this show. Does she need to bend steel bars and leap tall buildings in a single bound to be an outstanding soldier?

I simply mean that I think she's a poor actress and is unable to convey the fact that she is such a super-achiever. These abilities are written for her sure, but are woefully unconvincing based on her portrayal of the character.

I've been around women boxers too. OK she wouldn't last long against the women I've seen. Remember that this is just low-budget television show and from what I've read that was (will be on UHD) a budget-balancing episode. ;)

No doubt, but it's a cumulative thing. They've been doing this with her character since I've been watching the show. Maybe this particular upcoming episode in which I've assumed, wrongly maybe, that she was not only female boxing champ but she was actually beating the males too? is just a slap by the writers at people like me that have been complaining about this aspect of the show. ;)

Not to beat a dead horse, but my only reason for bringing up Katee's looks is that others seem to think it's important. It is immaterial to me what she looks like as far as her role on the show. Maybe being unattractive is even an advantage for that character, although I'll admit a whole cast of unattractive actresses would probably detract from my positive view of the show.


The "homely" thing has been going back and forth between me and archi for awhile now and is mostly just for fun. Mostly. :)

I've said before that it doesn't help that her character is homely/unattractive/whatever, but it's not the main reason I dislike her.

I've gotten so used to 'frak' now that I have caught myself almost using it in real life. When you hear something enough, it kind of seeps into your vocabulary, I guess. It's just an homage to the original show, after all. Be glad they aren't saying 'felgercarb'.

I have also noticed several times when it really sounded like they said the real F word. Most recently in an episode that hasn't aired on UHD yet - Seelix said 'frak off' but it sure sounded different. Even after listening to it multiple times.

I've gotten so used to 'frak' now that I have caught myself almost using it in real life. When you hear something enough, it kind of seeps into your vocabulary, I guess. It's just an homage to the original show, after all. Be glad they aren't saying 'felgercarb'.

I didn't realize that. They used "frak" in the original? In the same context?

I have also noticed several times when it really sounded like they said the real F word. Most recently in an episode that hasn't aired on UHD yet - Seelix said 'frak off' but it sure sounded different. Even after listening to it multiple times.

That's what I was talking about earlier with the "frok" comment. They're definitely pushing the boundary with the annunciation of that word.

I have also noticed several times when it really sounded like they said the real F word. Most recently in an episode that hasn't aired on UHD yet - Seelix said 'frak off' but it sure sounded different. Even after listening to it multiple times.

Funny you should mention that. My wife and I noticed that exact thing in that exact scene. Played it back several times and it still sounded like "fu*k". Just Seelix mumbling her lines, I guess. Got by the censors, anyway. ;)

I didn't realize that. They used "frak" in the original? In the same context?


Yep. Only I think they spelled it "frack". I can't remember how often it was used, but I don't think quite as much as they use it now. And I don't remember if they ever took it as far as saying stuff like "mother-frakking" in the old show. I kind of doubt it.

I have also noticed several times when it really sounded like they said the real F word. Most recently in an episode that hasn't aired on UHD yet - Seelix said 'frak off' but it sure sounded different. Even after listening to it multiple times.

That's the scene I remember also. Even if it was unintentional, it's still amazing it slipped by the censors.

I've noticed an increased use of frak lately. I rewatched the entire series on DVD about 2-3 months ago and it seemed to appear once or maybe twice in the earlier episodes. I think they need to come up with some other curse words to mix in. An episode of Deadwood could provide a wealth of examples.

I've noticed an increased use of frak lately. I rewatched the entire series on DVD about 2-3 months ago and it seemed to appear once or maybe twice in the earlier episodes. I think they need to come up with some other curse words to mix in. An episode of Deadwood could provide a wealth of examples.

If BSG were on HBO, I'm sure they would. ;) (But then, it'd be cancelled by now.)

I've wondered how different BSG would be if it were on HBO or Showtime. I can't imagine it could be better but we'd probably see more Cylon skin. You're probably right though, it would have long been cancelled by now.

If BSG were on HBO, I'm sure they would. ;) (But then, it'd be cancelled by now.)

You got that right! HBO is like the nerdy guy that beefed up, got contacts instead of glasses, and now gets his kicks by picking up beautiful girls and then dumping them as revenge for all his previous misery.

HBO: Our standards are so high that we dumped Carnivale, Deadwood, and Rome.

I've wondered how different BSG would be if it were on HBO or Showtime. I can't imagine it could be better but we'd probably see more Cylon skin. You're probably right though, it would have long been cancelled by now.

I've often wondered what kind of show we'd see if it were on a Big 4 network with a Big 4 budget. And subject to the same interference level as it has on SciFi, of course. (I'm assuming the suits at SciFi leave it well enough alone.) Certainly, the ratings would be higher.... but high enough to avoid cancellation?

Now, if it were on the old HBO (before they decided that the kind of super-quality programming only they once did was too expensive), now, that would be interesting. *wistful*

I've often wondered what kind of show we'd see if it were on a Big 4 network with a Big 4 budget. And subject to the same interference level as it has on SciFi, of course. (I'm assuming the suits at SciFi leave it well enough alone.) Certainly, the ratings would be higher.... but high enough to avoid cancellation?

Nah, even though I think BSG is much more than a typical scifi show, I believe it would still be categorized by most as just nerdy science fiction and doomed by poor ratings by network standards.


Now, if it were on the old HBO (before they decided that the kind of super-quality programming only they once did was too expensive), now, that would be interesting. *wistful*
That would have been interesting to see. As much freedom as they apparently have now, being on the old HBO with a more sizable budget and even more freedom, could it have been even better?

If BSG was on a Big 4 network, it would be cancelled. Sci Fi has been more than patient with the declining ratings. Personally, I am grateful to them for keeping the show around for a fourth season. The last couple episodes have gotten a 1.2 rating! 1.4 million viewers.

I don't claim to understand it, but that's the truth. Personally, I think BSG is just one of those shows that people watch on DVR or tape or iTunes or watch during repeat broadcasts or UHD or wait for the DVDs. :) At least that's how I rationalize it. But apparently we are among the only people who watch it live.


EDITED to say "we" probably aren't the people who watch it live since I am in the UHD thread, not the Season 3 thread!

first of all, I've only seen the UHD eps up til now. with that in mind, can someone please explain what's going on?

I don't get the whole cylon "they have a plan" thing. they seem to want/need humans for SOMEthing involving babies. they were willing to try coexistence on caprica. but when the chips are down, they're ready to nuke the place.

(what do they care about the suicide bombings anyway? I mean that's utterly stupid. they can reproduce faster than humans can reproduce. gestation period for human is about 18 years, if you count the time it takes to become a sentient adult. if that's not enough, the cylons can respawn. duh! let the humans blow themselves up.)

they had no compunction about destroying the pegasus, and would've gotten galatica too if they could have. they're pretty much itching to wipe out the human race at every turn. so what's the deal?

and why are the humans trying to find earth? they know the cylons are doing the same and baltar is helping them. gee you think after another brush with extinction they'll take some time to regroup and, uh, I don't know, settle somewhere away from cylon eyes and try to make more humans? but nooooooo, let's make another play date with total annihilation.

I think BSG is the best scifi show right now and has many fine things to recommend it, and while I'm watching it I'm totally absorbed. bute when I think about the big picture, it just doesn't make any sense.

and why are the humans trying to find earth? they know the cylons are doing the same and baltar is helping them. gee you think after another brush with extinction they'll take some time to regroup and, uh, I don't know, settle somewhere away from cylon eyes and try to make more humans? but nooooooo, let's make another play date with total annihilation.


Ummmm, they did try to find a place to "settle away from Cylon eyes"..... that was New Caprica, hidden in a nebula. The Cylons still found them. The whole idea of the show is that the Cylons are relentless in their hunt. The humans are hoping to find Earth because it is the legendary 13th colony, and perhaps there they will either find a new home, or at least find a way to defeat the Cylons. Oh, and Lee Adama sacrificed the Pegasus in order to save Galactica. Are you sure you've actually been watching the show?

I'm glad they didn't bring back the previous BSG terms "centars" and "centons". The old series showed up right when they were trying to brainwash us kids into using the evil metric system and I suspected it was part of that propaganda! Teachers almost had us believing we Americans would be using this stuff like the rest of the world! Thank the Lord we stuck to our beloved pounds and miles and yards and quarts and gallons. And when I say gallons, I mean the U.S. gallons, not those weird foreign ones! :)

I'm glad they didn't bring back the previous BSG terms "centars" and "centons". The old series showed up right when they were trying to brainwash us kids into using the evil metric system and I suspected it was part of that propaganda! Teachers almost had us believing we Americans would be using this stuff like the rest of the world! Thank the Lord we stuck to our beloved pounds and miles and yards and quarts and gallons. And when I say gallons, I mean the U.S. gallons, not those weird foreign ones! :)

I just wish they'd bring back Boxey and Daggit.

Oh wait, no I don't.

I just wish they'd bring back Boxey and Daggit.

Oh wait, no I don't.
Actually, Boxey was in the 2003 Mini-series. He just kind of faded into oblivion after that... thank the Lords of Kobol!

Actually, Boxey was in the 2003 Mini-series. He just kind of faded into oblivion after that... thank the Lords of Kobol!

Ditto to that!

barth does bring up some interesting questions about the Cylons' "Plan." It does seem to shift from season to season. I suspect the writers didn't have a long-term "plan" themselves for the show and this is the result.

Ditto to that!

barth does bring up some interesting questions about the Cylons' "Plan." It does seem to shift from season to season. I suspect the writers didn't have a long-term "plan" themselves for the show and this is the result.

your right, they said in an interview, as they don't want to be tied down with the story.

When they see the end of the show is near (cancelation) or they just start running out of ideas, they'll wrap it up

I think the Cylons have been evolving, which is why they appear to have a different plan from season to season. First, they were about total annihilation of humans, then using humans to propagate their race. Next, they tried to subjugate the human race (New Caprica). Now, it's a race to find earth. If, or when, both the humans and Cylons find earth, then we'll see what "plan" the Cylons have for humans. The Cylons have also changed from a monolithic unified force to now having somewhat independent and free-thinking individuals. This is part of their evolutionary process.

Whether this was all part of the original idea behind the series is certainly open to question, but I have a hard time believing the producers/writers don't have a long-term plan for how they want the series to play out and eventually end, whether that occurs in one, two or three more seasons. Obviously, the longer the series continues, the greater the likelihood they would need to expand and adjust the storyline as time goes on.

There is no 'plan' for the Cylons or the humans - the writers are just winging it now.

Good heavens... actual 5.1 sound for the first time this season. How wonderful to hear dialog coming out of my center speaker and my subwoofer is shaking the blinds.

Looks like someone at UHD finally flipped through the manual. Or perhaps did a search on Google.

Ummmm, they did try to find a place to "settle away from Cylon eyes"..... that was New Caprica, hidden in a nebula. The Cylons still found them. The whole idea of the show is that the Cylons are relentless in their hunt. The humans are hoping to find Earth because it is the legendary 13th colony, and perhaps there they will either find a new home, or at least find a way to defeat the Cylons. Oh, and Lee Adama sacrificed the Pegasus in order to save Galactica. Are you sure you've actually been watching the show?

yeah they had to sacrifice pegasus b/c the cylons were about to wipe out galactica and everybody on caprica.

they tried to get away from the cylons, got found, got whipped, only to head right back to the cylons. apparently, heaven can wait, but earth can't. again, they are the last of their kind as far as they know. they can't afford to go looking for a fight.

for the cylons' part, they got the worst attention span for computers. what's the plan this week? are we nuking them or what?

ok, I guess if everyone acted logically, there'd be no show. but I find the motivation they're giving the cylons and humans a bit thin.

I think the idea is that the Cylons are getting confused and conflicted by their new interactions with the human race. Back when they were isolated they could ignore any contradictions their foggy religion. Now that they've had to deal with drastic situations with the humans, the goals dictated by their faith are starting to get as foggy as their beliefs and now they can't decide if their god would want them to destroy the evil humans or try to save them again.

As we saw this week, the humans are having the same problem. The morality of possibly wiping out a race was the same issue the Cylons dealt with last season. Their goal in the first season was to wipe out all humans but interactions with the humans convinced them that they should try to "save" them on New Caprica instead. That didn't work out so they're lost now. The humans (well, one in particular) dealt with the same issue because they've had positive interactions with a Cylon who has saved their butts more than once.

Maybe the Cylons think that if they find Earth first, the humans will stop running and finally have to submit to their religion. Obviously the humans wouldn't want to find Earth with Cylons on their asses so now they have to decide which is more important.

I think the vagueness in the Cylons motivations is what makes the show great. The old "Destroy All Humans" plot seems really thin to me now.

I think the idea is that the Cylons are getting confused and conflicted by their new interactions with the human race. Back when they were isolated they could ignore any contradictions their foggy religion. Now that they've had to deal with drastic situations with the humans, the goals dictated by their faith are starting to get as foggy as their beliefs and now they can't decide if their god would want them to destroy the evil humans or try to save them again.

As we saw this week, the humans are having the same problem. The morality of possibly wiping out a race was the same issue the Cylons dealt with last season. Their goal in the first season was to wipe out all humans but interactions with the humans convinced them that they should try to "save" them on New Caprica instead. That didn't work out so they're lost now. The humans (well, one in particular) dealt with the same issue because they've had positive interactions with a Cylon who has saved their butts more than once.

Maybe the Cylons think that if they find Earth first, the humans will stop running and finally have to submit to their religion. Obviously the humans wouldn't want to find Earth with Cylons on their asses so now they have to decide which is more important.

I think the vagueness in the Cylons motivations is what makes the show great. The old "Destroy All Humans" plot seems really thin to me now.

I couldn't agree more. What I call the "evolution" of the Cylons is due in large part to their interactions with humans. As time goes on, I believe the writers will continue to explore the interrelationships between humans and Cylons and it won't be just each side out to totally destroy each other. For one thing, the Cylons know that humans and Cylons can reproduce.

Given enough time, the series could begin to explore what happens when the Cylon/human offspring grow up and how they interact with the humans and Cylons. Maybe that will be the next Reimagined BSG.


There is no 'plan' for the Cylons or the humans - the writers are just winging it now.
You're right, everyone associated with the show is clueless. :rolleyes:

I couldn't agree more. What I call the "evolution" of the Cylons is due in large part to their interactions with humans. As time goes on, I believe the writers will continue to explore the interrelationships between humans and Cylons and it won't be just each side out to totally destroy each other. For one thing, the Cylons know that humans and Cylons can reproduce.

Given enough time, the series could begin to explore what happens when the Cylon/human offspring grow up and how they interact with the humans and Cylons. Maybe that will be the next Reimagined BSG.

What I want to know is, since the cylons are so obsessed with Human/Cylon offspring...why didn't they go in that direction during the New Caprica occupation? Would've been easy to do, either the traditional way (what with all those "smokin' hot" cylon women), or via artificial means.

What I want to know is, since the cylons are so obsessed with Human/Cylon offspring...why didn't they go in that direction during the New Caprica occupation? Would've been easy to do, either the traditional way (what with all those "smokin' hot" cylon women), or via artificial means.

I don't know, maybe they want to see if the offspring will be friend or foe before they produce too many? If they have Cylon powers of regeneration but are aligned with humans, that could pose a problem.

What I want to know is, since the cylons are so obsessed with Human/Cylon offspring...why didn't they go in that direction during the New Caprica occupation?
I think they thought the breeding experiment had been a total failure since the baby had died and didn't find out the baby had actually survived until just before the rebellion.

What was the deal with the breeding station on Old Caprica that Starbuck escaped from? Did we ever find out what its purpose was?

I think they thought the breeding experiment had been a total failure since the baby had died and didn't find out the baby had actually survived until just before the rebellion.

Good point. Not sure why they would just stop trying then.

What was the deal with the breeding station on Old Caprica that Starbuck escaped from? Did we ever find out what its purpose was?

In reference to above, perhaps they found out on Old Caprica that hybrid babies could only be born and survive under certain circumstances? And, that Sharon/Athena and Helo shared those circumstances? Yes, I'm referring to the L-word here, but perhaps they could go in a different, less-trite, direction.

In reference to above, perhaps they found out on Old Caprica that hybrid babies could only be born and survive under certain circumstances? And, that Sharon/Athena and Helo shared those circumstances? Yes, I'm referring to the L-word here, but perhaps they could go in a different, less-trite, direction.

I don't think they do a lot of breeding on 'The L-Word'. :p

In reference to above, perhaps they found out on Old Caprica that hybrid babies could only be born and survive under certain circumstances? And, that Sharon/Athena and Helo shared those circumstances? Yes, I'm referring to the L-word here, but perhaps they could go in a different, less-trite, direction.

I seem to recall that Number 6 said that very thing to Baltar. Cylon babies couldn't be made without the L-word involved.

I don't think they do a lot of breeding on 'The L-Word'.I don't know, they can always use store-bought seed. ;)

Wow, no posts in quite a while.

Am I the only one who waited for the HD episodes on UHD?

Anyway, kind of a boring ep on Sat. but I gather from the ending that Starbuck feels guilty for Kat's death because she essentially goaded her into sacrificing her life (via radiation exposure) with the threat of exposing Kat's past.

What was Baltar's revelation when he touched the hybrid? I didn't quite get it. That the 'gibberish' spewing from the hybrids is actually scripture from the human's gods?

Am I the only one who waited for the HD episodes on UHD?


At the rate I'm going (missing episodes on SciFi and UHD :( no DVR sucks!) I'll have to wait for the DVDs to get released.

I gave in and watched the Sci Fi episodes. Too many spoilers everywhere to wait. I have been DVRing the UHD ones and re watching. I have not seen this weeks episode (again), but if I remember correctly, Baltar deduced from the ramblings the Eye of Jupiter was part of the road map to Earth. Aso in one of the early Season 3 episodes, Caprica said that the Leoben models believe that every word the Hybrid says is channeled from the Cylon god.

BTW, a quick look at the UHD schedule showed that they are going to air the entire Season 3 of BSG with no break (unlike SciFi)

How will UHD handle the episodes that ran long on SciFi (like the season finale)? Squeeze it in (by cutting commericals)? Cut out stuff so that commercial breaks remain the same (bad idea, really!)?

BTW, a quick look at the UHD schedule showed that they are going to air the entire Season 3 of BSG with no break (unlike SciFi)

Nice! Then they'll be caught up I presume by the time season 4 hits Sci-Fi Channel. I wonder what they'll do then...maybe air the episodes a week late or something?

Nice! Then they'll be caught up I presume by the time season 4 hits Sci-Fi Channel. I wonder what they'll do then...maybe air the episodes a week late or something?

They will finish Season 3 on June 9th at the current rate. I wonder if they will start the miniseries, and then run through all three seasons again before Season 4. That would leave them starting Season 4 in June of 08, six months or so after Sci Fi started. Hmmm

They will finish Season 3 on June 9th at the current rate.
Thanks, I was just going to ask that question.

Nice! Then they'll be caught up I presume by the time season 4 hits Sci-Fi Channel. I wonder what they'll do then...maybe air the episodes a week late or something?

Assuming things go as planned, we should have Sci-Fi HD by then. At some point, UHD will either have to start original programming or be the dumping ground for old series.

At the rate I'm going (missing episodes on SciFi and UHD :( no DVR sucks!) I'll have to wait for the DVDs to get released.With the move, 9 months in an RV, and current severe-time-deficit (I will be lashing myself for stealing this 30-min of internet later), I gave up.

Luckily TWC-ELP picked up UHD (in January). I broke down and bought from iTunes all the episodes up till I regained a DVR last month for recording UHD. I have only gotten to watch one episode.

LOST was completely sacrificed to the iTunes Season Pass because Saturdays have less conflicts with the wife's shows, and more chance to actually watch them off the DVR (Damn SARA shows the remaining space -- where she had no idea the PASSPORT DVR was constantly above 70%).


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Wow, no posts in quite a while.

Am I the only one who waited for the HD episodes on UHD?

Anyway, kind of a boring ep on Sat. but I gather from the ending that Starbuck feels guilty for Kat's death because she essentially goaded her into sacrificing her life (via radiation exposure) with the threat of exposing Kat's past.

Did she feel remorseful? I'm not so sure. It looked like she gave the sleeping pills to Kat so she could finish her self off (by overdose), but I'm not certain of that.

In any event, Starbuck didn't come off well in this episode at all...and that's saying something...

Yep, boring episode...this was one of those episodes where, wouldn't you know it, my wife was in the room while I was watching and she had plenty of eye-rolling moments. Not one of the best, no doubt.

What was Baltar's revelation when he touched the hybrid? I didn't quite get it. That the 'gibberish' spewing from the hybrids is actually scripture from the human's gods?

That scene was one of the eye-rolling moments I mentioned above. In fact, the entire Basestar setting with Baltar is just a little too dream-like and ephemeral for my taste.

Here's hoping it gets better later in the season.

Here's hoping it gets better later in the season.

Oh, it does. Yes indeedy, it does. ;)

Glad to hear it!

And oh yeah, the good news is that Kat is gone from the show. I actually disliked her character more than you-know-who...

That scene was one of the eye-rolling moments I mentioned above. In fact, the entire Basestar setting with Baltar is just a little too dream-like and ephemeral for my taste.

The basestar scenes with Baltar have always reminded me of the late scenes of 2001, A Space Odyssey. I'm assuming it's intentional since there's always scenes of Baltar waking up in a bed in the room, which was the central image in 2001 (with the character - Bowman? - aging with the scene changes). Of course Bowman didn't wake up with two hot babes snuggled up with him. Not a bad way to wake up, even if they're cylons / robots / androids / toasters.

I do like the visuals in BSG - the pulsing red band reminds me more than anything else that the environment is not built by humans.

Cliff

The basestar scenes with Baltar have always reminded me of the late scenes of 2001, A Space Odyssey. I'm assuming it's intentional since there's always scenes of Baltar waking up in a bed in the room, which was the central image in 2001 (with the character - Bowman? - aging with the scene changes). Of course Bowman didn't wake up with two hot babes snuggled up with him. Not a bad way to wake up, even if they're cylons / robots / androids / toasters.


There's a consistancy to the soundtrack in those scenes as well. Some type of piano instrumental track...

Btw, they refer to Baltar's 6 as "Caprica" now? I guess I missed that when it started. Do all Cylons have "names" or is this the first?

Btw, they refer to Baltar's 6 as "Caprica" now? I guess I missed that when it started. Do all Cylons have "names" or is this the first?

The only Six with a "name" is Caprica Six because she is considered a "Hero of the Cylon", along with Sharon, because of their "undercover" work in planning the attack on the colonies. D'Anna described this last season in the episode after Sharon downloaded and was having a difficult time reconciling who she actually was versus who she thought she was.

It is because of this revered status those two hold among their fellow Cylons that they had enough influence to change the direction of the Cylon plan with regard to humanity. It's why they decided to try to live with humans on New Caprica rather than simply nuke the planet from orbit when they discovered the human colony there. (And, as we've seen, that didn't work out too well for 'em.)

Yep, boring episode...this was one of those episodes where, wouldn't you know it, my wife was in the room while I was watching and she had plenty of eye-rolling moments. Not one of the best, no doubt......

Here's hoping it gets better later in the season.
Oh, it does. Yes indeedy, it does. ;)

While I often find myself in agreement with Archiguy, I feel the need to interject here, as his statement may raise your expectations further than Season 3 actually delivers for the most part. I watch the series on both Scifi & UHD, but IMO, there are a few (but only a few) exceptional episodes this year. Fortunately you have one of the very best season eps hitting UHD this weekend, The Eye of Jupiter, so warm up the DVR.

Unfortunately, after that, many of the eps in the second half of the season are disappointing (although, it may be argued that the mediocre BSG episodes are still better than the very best of most other series) ;). However, some salvation awaits towards the end of the season, particularly due to the appearance of a new character (a former Firefly alumnus) who simply chews up the scenery, and the cliffhanger fimale. Of course this is just one fan's opinion. YMMV.

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While I often find myself in agreement with Archiguy, I feel the need to interject here, as his statement may raise your expectations further than Season 3 actually delivers for the most part. I watch the series on both Scifi & UHD, but IMO, there are a few (but only a few) exceptional episodes this year. Fortunately you have one of the very best season eps hitting UHD this weekend, The Eye of Jupiter, so warm up the DVR.

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Actually, I agree with you on most of those points, Palladin. I was referring to the season-ending double episode, mostly, which is the sort of the knock-your-socks-off-and-pick-your-jaw-up-off-the-floor season-ender that this series is known for. And I know that our boy Irmo, especially, will enjoy it. ;)

As to the rest of the season 3 eps, yes there are a lot of what you might call "stand-alones", but I enjoyed them all and felt that they all added to our knowledge of these characters and their motivations. And, as you say, even a mediocre episode of BSG is superior to just about anything else on the small screen.

The only Six with a "name" is Caprica Six because she is considered a "Hero of the Cylon", along with Sharon, because of their "undercover" work in planning the attack on the colonies. D'Anna described this last season in the episode after Sharon downloaded and was having a difficult time reconciling who she actually was versus who she thought she was.

It is because of this revered status those two hold among their fellow Cylons that they had enough influence to change the direction of the Cylon plan with regard to humanity. It's why they decided to try to live with humans on New Caprica rather than simply nuke the planet from orbit when they discovered the human colony there. (And, as we've seen, that didn't work out too well for 'em.)

Cool. I remember how they were revered at one time but I missed their getting "named" that way. Thanks.

It seems that other Cylons have names too though...as you mentioned "D'Anna"
and I remember a "Leoben" as well. I'm wondering if those are unique names or just ones shared by all of their type.

While I often find myself in agreement with Archiguy, I feel the need to interject here, as his statement may raise your expectations further than Season 3 actually delivers for the most part. I watch the series on both Scifi & UHD, but IMO, there are a few (but only a few) exceptional episodes this year. Fortunately you have one of the very best season eps hitting UHD this weekend, The Eye of Jupiter, so warm up the DVR.

Unfortunately, after that, many of the eps in the second half of the season are disappointing (although, it may be argued that the mediocre BSG episodes are still better than the very best of most other series) ;). However, some salvation awaits towards the end of the season, particularly due to the appearance of a new character (a former Firefly alumnus) who simply chews up the scenery, and the cliffhanger fimale. Of course this is just one fan's opinion. YMMV.



Thanks! As a Firefly fan, you've really piqued my interest as to who this new character might be. I've been pretty good about avoiding spoilers, so maybe I'll manage to avoid that one as well.

Actually, I agree with you on most of those points, Palladin. I was referring to the season-ending double episode, mostly, which is the sort of the knock-your-socks-off-and-pick-your-jaw-up-off-the-floor season-ender that this series is known for. And I know that our boy Irmo, especially, will enjoy it. ;)



If that's what I think it means (I think I had that spoiled for me elsewhere on AVS in a completely unrelated thread), then yes, I could see why you'd say I'd enjoy it. :D

And yes, the season-ending episodes on this show have been fantastic.

It seems that other Cylons have names too though...as you mentioned "D'Anna" and I remember a "Leoben" as well. I'm wondering if those are unique names or just ones shared by all of their type.

Hasn't been established 100% one way or the other. Sometimes the names are used to refer to the entire "line" of a particular model, sometimes the names refer to a specific individual "copy." I "think" the intent is to use the names to refer to a specific serial "line" of resurrected individuals within a numbered model "type," but I could be wrong. :)

I think this, along with the specifics of how the cylon models may or may not share knowledge between individuals is one of those things that the writters have chosen not to poke at too closely ... due to the inherent inconsistancies that may arise. ;)

I think it's more than evident by now that the writers do NOT have a plan and just make up cool stuff week to week without any underlying consistency to details like cylon capabilities. If the next week's plotline requires some new, heretofore unrevealed cylon aspect, well by golly, they'll have it.

I think it's more than evident by now that the writers do NOT have a plan and just make up cool stuff week to week without any underlying consistency to details like cylon capabilities. If the next week's plotline requires some new, heretofore unrevealed cylon aspect, well by golly, they'll have it.

Ah, but they do have a plan. Ron Moore knows where he wants to go with the series, he and the other writers just don't know how long they'll have to get there. So, they meander a bit. If next year is announced to be the last, we'll have a tightly focused, kick-a$$ season. If they go to year 5, then they'll meander about a bit more. Doesn't bother me. I know I'll miss it when it's gone, so more is better as far as I'm concerned.

No, Moore & Co just make stuff up week to week. They've said so specifically in podcasts. Any more info gets into spoilerville.

No, Moore & Co just make stuff up week to week. They've said so specifically in podcasts. Any more info gets into spoilerville.

Read my post a little more carefully. I'm not saying they don't "make stuff up", I'm saying that they have an end-goal in mind and an idea of how they want to wrap the story up. But the "x" factor in storyboarding the endgame is how long they have to work with. They've said that, too, in the podcasts and interviews.

They have a final denoument in mind, yes. But continuity in cylon attributes or human character development is not something this writing crew pays much attention to.

Just watched the first part of "eye of jupiter." Pretty good episode...wish I had known it was a 2 parter going in! I was wondering how they were going to wrap up the story there in the last few minutes of the hour.

Anyway, based on the temple symbol they showed Chief eyeball over and over and over, it looks to me that the "eye" of jupiter is the star Gaeta talked about going supernova.

Perhaps it leaves behind a black-hole/wormhole?

Guess I'll find out next week.

I didn't realize Adama didn't know about the baby Hera. He seemed really pissed at Roslyn.

Chief better figure out the eye of jupiter symbols or meaning of the temple pretty quick!

I didn't realize Adama didn't know about the baby Hera. He seemed really pissed at Roslyn.Actually that part confused me. I thought he, Laura and the doctor all agreed to keep the baby secret? I guess not.

I didn't realize Adama didn't know about the baby Hera. He seemed really pissed at Roslyn.

Chief better figure out the eye of jupiter symbols or meaning of the temple pretty quick!He knew, I just did not think he knew the kid was being kept at her school.

He knew, I just did not think he knew the kid was being kept at her school.From the meeting he clearly gave the impression he had no idea the kid was alive at all and that she died in childbirth, at least that's the impression I got.

From the meeting he clearly gave the impression he had no idea the kid was alive at all and that she died in childbirth, at least that's the impression I got.

That's the impression I got too.

Btw, they've really taken Roslyn down a few pegs since her initial holier-than-thou character early in the series. She's become quite a hard-ass in some areas (she's quick to want to throw cylons in the airlock for instance).

I like that though, makes things a bit more realistic for a leader to behave that way.

That's the impression I got too.


The only people who knew the baby was alive were Roslyn, her assistant, and the doctor.

Pretty good episode there saturday night. The "eye of jupiter" was in fact the star going supernova, but apparently there aren't any "black hole" or "wormhole" possibilities, so I was off there...

Now, all the humans (Baltar and the half-human baby) are back on Galactica, so things should get interesting from here on out.

Back earlier in this thread, there was talk of an episode where Starbuck really had to "show range" of acting (I'm paraphrasing here) that was supposed to demonstrate what a good actress the person portraying her is...was this the episode? I hope not, cuz I didn't see it.

After seeing the last episode of season three on Sci Fi and rewatching this weeks episode with D'anna saying Im sorry to one of the final 5 in the temple, you know the next season is going to be unbelievably great!

Back earlier in this thread, there was talk of an episode where Starbuck really had to "show range" of acting (I'm paraphrasing here) that was supposed to demonstrate what a good actress the person portraying her is...was this the episode? I hope not, cuz I didn't see it.

Seriously, you don't see it because you don't want to see it. :rolleyes: I thought she did a pretty fine job of transmitting the staggering pain she was in from the burns she endured in this last ep. I was wincing myself as she was struggling with the gloves. But, to answer your question, no, this wasn't "it". There's a huge Starbuck-centered episode coming up for the UHD-viewing folks, and Katee Sackoff does a terrific job in it. But she could give a performance that would put Meryl Streep to shame and you'd still say it sucked, so it probably won't matter to you anyways.

Maybe you're right.

But then, maybe the opposite could be said of you. :)

Back when "The Eye of Jupiter" was first run on Sci-Fi, many commented on the SFX in this episode.
Particularly where the three Centurions were ambushed at the choke point near the end of the episode. One becomes dismembered below the waist and the other two fall back and return fire. It was said that the CGI was very bad in this particular shot, and you could actually see the Centurion's dismembered torso floating above the ground, not actually laying on the ground as any object in a positive gravity environment would naturally do. But it was very hard to tell what we were actually seeing due to the standard ultra poor PQ on Sci-Fi network. Well now that we can resolve the scene in HD, it's true- his torso is floating above the ground- you can clearly see a shadow under it, and the texture of the ground below him.
Guess the new (at that time) in-house CGI team somehow missed it.

I missed that, but I've always thought that the centurion CGI was passable at best. It's usually at its worst in outdoor settings.

I've usually enjoyed the space & ship CGI though.

Well now that we can resolve the scene in HD, it's true- his torso is floating above the ground- you can clearly see a shadow under it, and the texture of the ground below him.
Guess the new (at that time) in-house CGI team somehow missed it.

Yeah, that shot stuck out like a sore thumb. But you have no idea of what constraints the effects guys were working under. Perhaps that shot was added to the show at the last minute, and the artists had to rush it out in just a day or two. Perhaps (and this happens), the editors may have cut in an early temp version of the shot into the show instead of the final version.

The VFX guys on Galactica are the best in the business, and they will most likely win the Emmy for VFX once again this year. I don't begrudge them one bad shot out of thousands of great ones.

Yeah, that shot stuck out like a sore thumb....
The VFX guys on Galactica are the best in the business, and they will most likely win the Emmy for VFX once again this year. I don't begrudge them one bad shot out of thousands of great ones.
Agreed!
It looks like one of those "we have to do some more work on that scene" type things that got forgotten in the rush to finish up the FX work. It's just interesting/fun when the untrained eye can catch a red herring once in a great while :D

Back when "The Eye of Jupiter" was first run on Sci-Fi, many commented on the SFX in this episode.
Particularly where the three Centurions were ambushed at the choke point near the end of the episode. One becomes dismembered below the waist and the other two fall back and return fire. It was said that the CGI was very bad in this particular shot, and you could actually see the Centurion's dismembered torso floating above the ground, not actually laying on the ground as any object in a positive gravity environment would naturally do. But it was very hard to tell what we were actually seeing due to the standard ultra poor PQ on Sci-Fi network. Well now that we can resolve the scene in HD, it's true- his torso is floating above the ground- you can clearly see a shadow under it, and the texture of the ground below him.
Guess the new (at that time) in-house CGI team somehow missed it.

I saw the episode twice on SciFi and never noticed it, but seeing the ambush scene in HD and it just jumped out.

It kind of reminds me of watching the Wizard of Oz in HD the first time and seeing the string holding up the Lion's tail that was never noticeable in glorious SD. Different times and different technology, but the result is the same. Flaws become so much more obvious in HD.

Please stop talking about watching it on SciFi. I know people watch stuff on SciFi first, but it kind of ruins it for everybody else. Watching it in HD is a totally different kind of experience. We know that there is a huge difference between SD and HD. Could we please keep this topic to HD and the particular episode we're on already and not jump ahead (again).

Please stop talking about watching it on SciFi. I know people watch this on SciFi first, but it kind of ruins it for everybody else. Watching it in HD is a totally different kind of experience. We know that there is a huge difference between SD and HD. Could we please keep this topic to HD and the particular episode we're on already and not jump ahead (again).

Please stop talking about watching it on SciFi. I know people watch this on SciFi first, but it kind of ruins it for everybody else. Watching it in HD is a totally different kind of experience. We know that there is a huge difference between SD and HD. Could we please keep this topic to HD and the particular episode we're on already and not jump ahead (again).

He isn't jumping ahead. He's discussing the episode that just aired in HD.

Who's jumping ahead. Noting the difference between a scene shown in SD on SciFi versus the same scene in HD on UHD that is the current episode is hardly revealing a spoiler.

Seriously, you don't see it because you don't want to see it. :rolleyes: I thought she did a pretty fine job of transmitting the staggering pain she was in from the burns she endured in this last ep. I was wincing myself as she was struggling with the gloves.

I've been pretty critical of Katee also, but I have to admit, I thought the crash scene was some of her best work on the show. I actually winced myself watching her in that scene.

Please stop talking about watching it on SciFi. I know people watch stuff on SciFi first, but it kind of ruins it for everybody else. Watching it in HD is a totally different kind of experience. We know that there is a huge difference between SD and HD. Could we please keep this topic to HD and the particular episode we're on already and not jump ahead (again).
No one has jumped ahead and given any spoilers.

I saw the episode twice on SciFi and never noticed it, but seeing the ambush scene in HD and it just jumped out.

It kind of reminds me of watching the Wizard of Oz in HD the first time and seeing the string holding up the Lion's tail that was never noticeable in glorious SD. Different times and different technology, but the result is the same. Flaws become so much more obvious in HD.
Watch any Mortal Kombat movie in HD and you'll LMAO the whole way through.

Could we please keep this topic to HD and the particular episode we're on already and not jump ahead (again).
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Who on the last page jumped ahead?
BTW: We were discussing the current episodes- "Eye of Jupiter"/"Rapture" that are running on UHD currently.
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Please stop talking about watching it on SciFi. I know people watch stuff on SciFi first, but it kind of ruins it for everybody else .

Nothing anyone has written in a recent post ruins anything. There have been no recent spoilers from Sci-Fi. The comments regarding the difference in the way things looked between SD vs. HD are typical of the messages on this board in general. What's the problem?

Heh. I got it. How many times do people need to repost it?

I'd just rather have the thread filled with talk on the plotline, rather than the differences between the SD vs HD broadcast (which has been done to death on the forum already). Just my opinion...

I'd just rather have the thread filled with talk on the plotline, rather than the differences between the SD vs HD broadcast (which has been done to death on the forum already).
Uh, this is the "HDTV Programming" section of the AVS Forum, not the TV show chat forum. There are a dozen places on the Internet to chat about BSG with people who don't know what HDTV is.

Uh, this is the "HDTV Programming" section of the AVS Forum, not the TV show chat forum. There are a dozen places on the Internet to chat about BSG with people who don't know what HDTV is.

Normally I would agree with you but in this case any other forum on BSG is filled with spoilers for those of us who waited for the HD version on UHD.

We were getting close to the spoiler zone a few days ago when people started talking about actor performances in future (from a UHD perspective) episodes.
If you already watched the season on SciFi please be careful what you post.

Yeah, I think Dave's post was more to headoff any spoilerish material "at the pass" so to speak. We've seen this thread quickly devolve into accidental spoilers when the topic of Sci-Fi airings come up.

While I'm not capable of spoiling anything (I only watch on UHD), I'm partly guilty of this by inadvertantly steering the discussion this way on occasion. Sorry about that.

I say nothing!!!!:D:D:D

All I can say on the technical side of things is I'm glad UHD got the sound issues fixed because it is such a huge part of the show.