This is a new model philips set that seems to be a great bargain.

Pictures of it can be seen here:
http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/3/30pw9110d_37/

Here is a pic of it
http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/3/30pw9110d_37/30pw9110d_37__fg_.jpg

and the manual, setup guide, etc. can be seen here:
http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/3/30pw9100d_37/

This set has HDMI, a built in ATSC/QAM tuner, SPDIF out, and someone finally got smart and is making a black CRT tv again. This tv will be somewhere in the 650-700 dollar range.

Here are the specs for each of the new models:
30pw9110d:
http://gearviews.avsforum.com/showproduct.php?product=312

30pw9100d:
http://gearviews.avsforum.com/showproduct.php?product=313

30pw8420:
http://gearviews.avsforum.com/showproduct.php?product=314

Service Information:
thanks to downfall, here is Philips Service Website:
www.forceonline.com

from here, one can find the service manuals for the new model philips sets:
8420:
http://www.forceonline.com/download.asp?DownloadId=30
91x0d:
http://www.forceonline.com/download.asp?DownloadId=54

Dimensions? Huge speakers on the sides again of course.:(

Originally posted by DaveFi
Dimensions? Huge speakers on the sides again of course.:(

I think it uses the same cabinet as this set:
http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/3/30pw8502_37/30pw8502_37__fg_.jpg

And here is the PDF spec sheet for that one:
http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/3/30pw8502_37/30pw8502_37_pss_aen.pdf

I have the second set you posted (30PW8502). It seems Philips tv's get a bad rap around here; personally I think it's one of my best purchases. Great HD picture as well as SD, HDMI works perfectly and after some tweaking in the service menu, overscan and geometry are almost perfect.

Do any of you guys know what the "nudge control" is? It's mentioned as a feature on the spec sheet with reference to the widescreen modes, but I can't find any other info on it. Sounds like it has something to do with incremental vertical positioning of the screen.

The manual describes the nudge control as being able to move a 16x9 picture up and down vertically using the cursor up/down buttons. It is described as being useful for 2.35:1 letterboxed movies that do not fill the entire screen vertically. Since there would be black borders above and below a 2.35:1 picture anyway, I'm not clear on what the benefit would be.

It looks like they copied Sony's front bezel design with the rounded top edge and speaker look on the sides.

If you go to the Philips website (http://www.consumer.philips.com/consumer/catalog/catalog.jsp?activeCategory=TV_GR_US_CONSUMER&clickEventData=fh_location%3D%2F%2Fconsumer%2Fen_US%2Fcatego ries%3Ccatalog_us_consumer%2Fcategories%3C%7Btv_gr_us_consum er%7D&fhquery=fh_location%3D%2F%2Fconsumer%2Fen_US%2Fcategories%3C catalog_us_consumer%2Fcategories%3C%7Btv_gr_us_consumer%7D&fredhopperpage=index.jsp&language=en&country=US&catalogType=CONSUMER&proxybuster=N0UA1ZTXXSW5BJ0RMRCSHP3HKFSESI5P) They are showing no 16-9 CRT's. Everything is Plasma or LCD, they do have six 4-3 CRT's.
I own the 34pw9819, and I love it. I know Philips is not a favorite in the Technoelectropurist crowd, but I have a great picture.

I am going to call Philips on this but I'll ask here first: Model # 34 pw9819, Diagonal measurement across viewing screen, 34". At their website they continually refer to it as a 32"? Anyone know why that is?

Originally posted by rickmccamy
If you go to the Philips website (http://www.consumer.philips.com/consumer/catalog/catalog.jsp?activeCategory=TV_GR_US_CONSUMER&clickEventData=fh_location%3D%2F%2Fconsumer%2Fen_US%2Fcatego ries%3Ccatalog_us_consumer%2Fcategories%3C%7Btv_gr_us_consum er%7D&fhquery=fh_location%3D%2F%2Fconsumer%2Fen_US%2Fcategories%3C catalog_us_consumer%2Fcategories%3C%7Btv_gr_us_consumer%7D&fredhopperpage=index.jsp&language=en&country=US&catalogType=CONSUMER&proxybuster=N0UA1ZTXXSW5BJ0RMRCSHP3HKFSESI5P) They are showing no 16-9 CRT's. Everything is Plasma or LCD, they do have six 4-3 CRT's.
I own the 34pw9819, and I love it. I know Philips is not a favorite in the Technoelectropurist crowd, but I have a great picture.

I am going to call Philips on this but I'll ask here first: Model # 34 pw9819, Diagonal measurement across viewing screen, 34". At their website they continually refer to it as a 32"? Anyone know why that is?

Yes, that set is a 34". Because of rules here in the states, the tv's viewable tube size is what is measured. If you look at philips uk site, they have 36", 32", 28" etc. tube tvs, but they are acutally equivilent to our 34", 30", and 26" respectively. I don't understant philips current US site as they dont' have any mention of 16:9 crt sets. They do make them though.

Here is the link to the files detaling the 34" you mention:
http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/3/34pw9819_17/

and the product spec sheet (pss)
http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/3/34pw9819_17/34pw9819_17_pss_aen.pdf

Does anyone know when this tv will be available? The price is good if it does sell for $650-700, but alot of people seem to dislike phillips on this board.. Is it the entire brand that many people dislike, or just specific tv sets? Thanks.

I personally think that it's a "your father's Oldsmobile" kind of thing. It has got to be a Sony or it ain't s**t. And that in the Good Guys The color, brightness, sharpness, and contrast were all maxed. I currently run mine below half. I really do hype the 9819 and wonder why it was discontinued. It had more bells and whilstles than the current models and delivers a gorgeous picture.

The store where I work already has 2 sets in stock.

Looks like best buy has the specs for the 9100d.

This tv is basically the same model as the 9110d, but it has a silver cabinet and has the ATSC/QAM tuner along with a DCR slot. BB's price is 799.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7023446&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat31800050030&id=1099394446947

Thanks for the link on BB.. It seems like a pretty good price considering the features, etc.. I guess it's a toss up whether it's worth spending more on a more reputable brand or going with a Philips.. :rolleyes:

One question though.. how are the built-in atsc tuners in tv's compared to OTA receivers like the samsung t351/t451? Do some pick up channels better than others, and do the better brands like sony have better built-in ATSC tuners? I have a samsung t351 currently and love it. The only HD I currently watch and probably for the next yr or so till many more channels roll out on DTV is OTA, so a non-flaky tuner is important. Thanks.

Originally posted by Mikeoz
Thanks for the link on BB.. It seems like a pretty good price considering the features, etc.. I guess it's a toss up whether it's worth spending more on a more reputable brand or going with a Philips.. :rolleyes:

I'd say that Philips is a name brand. Like Rick said below, many people think that Philips is a lower end brand. They arn't a real high end like some of the Sony sets, but many of the models talked about here are the lower end models available at places like BB or Wal-Mart. Philips does (or did anyway) make high end HD CRTs that retailed for close to 2000. Those sets are usually highly regarded here on the boards (sets with the model numbers 3xPW981x). Like I've said before, I've been really happy with my set that I've had for about a year and half.

One question though.. how are the built-in atsc tuners in tv's compared to OTA receivers like the samsung t351/t451? Do some pick up channels better than others, and do the better brands like sony have better built-in ATSC tuners? I have a samsung t351 currently and love it. The only HD I currently watch and probably for the next yr or so till many more channels roll out on DTV is OTA, so a non-flaky tuner is important. Thanks.

I'm not sure on this, to be honest. I'd be interesting to see which tuner they use, LG, ATI, etc. If I had to guess, and this is purely a guess, I would say an LG becuase I know philips and LG collaborate on other aspects of the TV, like its tube. The tube inside of my 30pw850h says LG Philips on it.

oryan_dunn,

At your store, do you have one out of the box on display? BB's online link is showing that it is silver. Is it black or is it silver? I'll go check out the local Walmart here in San Jose tomorrow (we have 3 very close to each other!).

Originally posted by niggenz
oryan_dunn,

At your store, do you have one out of the box on display? BB's online link is showing that it is silver. Is it black or is it silver? I'll go check out the local Walmart here in San Jose tomorrow (we have 3 very close to each other!).

The 9100 that BB sells is silver but has the added DCR slot.
The 9110 that Wal-Mart sells is black.

They probably don't have them out yet. Its a new model and when electronics gets switched around is when they put out the new model. At our store, we don't have a model out on display yet. You'd probably have to as the associate to go check for you, which can be about as hard a willing a boulder to move sometimes.

niggenz, check your pm.

Thanks again for all the info/help oryan.. Well, supposedly the LG ota receivers are the best ones, compared to the samsungs, so it's probably a good thing if this tv comes w/ a lg ota tuner.. What makes one OTA tuner better than the other I'm not sure, but I think I read it somewhere that LG's are among the best tuners...

For $668 this set seems like a helluva price. I could give a damn about a DCR slot, so I'll be keeping an eye out next time I swing by walmart. I was looking to replace my gf's tv which has the colors out of wack, and I didn't want to spend too much.. :D Do you have any idea if these will be available in all Walmarts in stores? They don't have them listed online, and I think this tv would be better than the Sanyo 30" which seems to have some problems. Thanks.

Originally posted by Mikeoz
Thanks again for all the info/help oryan.. Well, supposedly the LG ota receivers are the best ones, compared to the samsungs, so it's probably a good thing if this tv comes w/ a lg ota tuner.. What makes one OTA tuner better than the other I'm not sure, but I think I read it somewhere that LG's are among the best tuners...

What makes some tuners better than other is the algorithms they use to decode the digital signal and how sensitve they are to things like weak signal and multipath. Supposedly, the 5th gen LG tuner is able to either discard or combine multipath so it doesn't interfere with the main signal. Like I said, this is just a guess that it is an LG tuner.

For $668 this set seems like a helluva price. I could give a damn about a DCR slot, so I'll be keeping an eye out next time I swing by walmart. I was looking to replace my gf's tv which has the colors out of wack, and I didn't want to spend too much.. :D Do you have any idea if these will be available in all Walmarts in stores? They don't have them listed online, and I think this tv would be better than the Sanyo 30" which seems to have some problems. Thanks.

Not sure on if all stores will get it or if other chains will carry it. Since it is a philips and not a walmart specific like sanyo, it seems that other stores could carry it. The only thing I don't like about this set based purely on the specs is that it lacks and analog audio output. This will be more and more of a moot point as more stations go digital.

The reason a lot of us don't like philips sets' is a lot of us that ourchased them have had nothing but problems with them, and they have horrible stretch modes for 4:3 material that are pretty much useless.

This is refuring to the 8402 philips models.

Kudos at least to Philips for making an ALL BLACK TV SET in this world of cheap looking silver ! Maybe well see a return to black TVs afterall :)

http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/3/30pw9110d_37/30pw9110d_37__fg_.jpg

Originally posted by CrocHunter
The reason a lot of us don't like philips sets' is a lot of us that ourchased them have had nothing but problems with them, and they have horrible stretch modes for 4:3 material that are pretty much useless.

This is refuring to the 8402 philips models.

I'm not saying that these are perfect, but other tv's have problems too. For example, one that sticks out in my mind is the Sony's that had a green blob on the screen. There was a really long thread on this issue. Anyways, the only real problem with mine that I cannot fix is the light vertical bands that will sometimes show up on 480i/p sources on a light grey/blue background. When I got my set, I had thought about returning it, but then I realized in the grand scheme of things, this was a pretty small issue, compared to other problems a tv set could have. With the picture controls set to agree with my AVIA dvd, those vertical lines are almost non-existent, and incredibly faint when I am able to notice them, and then, only when there is a constant horizontal pan in the picture.

Anyways, as far as the stretch modes go, I believe that all philips have the same modes, which are:

4:3 - puts black bars on the sides of a 4:3 image (nothing is stretched or cropped)
zoom 14:9 - puts smaller black bars on the sides and crops a little of the top and bottom (basically zooms the picture in a little)
zoom 16:9 - crops the top and bottom to fit the screen
subtitle 16:9 - basically the same thing as zoom 16:9 but is lowered to emphasize cc text
superwide - crops just a little of the top and bottom and does a non-linear stretch on the picture to make it fill the screen
widescreen - stretches the 4:3 linearly to fill widescreen, or correctly displays anamorphic widescreen material
auto - uses superwide for standard 4:3 signals, but will switch to 16:9 zoom or other zoom to crop black bars off the top and bottom of a letterboxed widescreen image.

with the zoom 14:9, zoom 16:9, subtitle 16:9, superwide, and auto, you can actually move the zoomed image up or down to fit the program you are watching. For example, i use the nudge control to move the superwide up just a notch so the ticker on fox news is completely visible.

I'd like to see a tv that has more options that this for dealing with 4:3 content. On my set, these stretch modes are limited to 480i sources. On the newer sets like the 8402 and most probably the 9100 series, these modes work for 480p sources, important for the gamers out there.

Couldn't agree more with you Ryan. My 30pw8502 gets better every day. PQ is spectacular on HD. And the price couldn't be beat. Once I corrected the geometry issues, it became a real keeper. I want to cry whenever I watch my Toshiba , the Philips looks so much better.

I can't figure out the nudge control. Is there a menu option or do you simply use the up/down buttons when in stretch?

Remember after black comes wood grain, then after that, olive green-brown, then black again, then silver, repeating over and over again.

I watch mostly 1080i or 720p programming, lucky to have great combo of OTA and DNS, for the few 420i programs I do watch, the morning news for example, the 9819's 14-9 format is great. No noticeable distortion, and it just clips off the annoying scroll at the bottom. ;)

I just use the up down buttons for the nudge.

And I'll say it one more time, I got my 9819 for $999 at closeout, on the last night of a sale I didn't know was going on!

I am going to pick up this set as I am in need of a tube TV. I used to own the Sanyo 30" wide. But I got rid of it when I thought that I could pick up the Sony 34" XBR through a Sony employeed discount program. Unfortunately, that fell through. I loved the Sanyo for its value, but it was not without its flaws. One of my big gripes with it was with the snow that was visible on any dark scene. I am hoping that the Phillips unitis better. But if anything, I'll definitely appreciate a black set more than silver.

Originally posted by Nonnie
Couldn't agree more with you Ryan. My 30pw8502 gets better every day. PQ is spectacular on HD. And the price couldn't be beat. Once I corrected the geometry issues, it became a real keeper. I want to cry whenever I watch my Toshiba , the Philips looks so much better.

I can't figure out the nudge control. Is there a menu option or do you simply use the up/down buttons when in stretch?

Just the up/down arrow keys

These TVs are now on the Philips website:
http://www.consumer.philips.com/consumer/catalog/catalog.jsp?activeCategory=TV_GR_US_CONSUMER&fhquery=fh_location%3D%2F%2Fconsumer%2Fen_US%2Fcategories%3C catalog_us_consumer%2Fcategories%3Ctv_gr_us_consumer%2Fcateg ories%3C%7Bdigital_tv_ca_us_consumer%7D&clickEventData=fh_location%3D%2F%2Fconsumer%2Fen_US%2Fcatego ries%3Ccatalog_us_consumer%2Fcategories%3Ctv_gr_us_consumer% 2Fcategories%3C%7Bdigital_tv_ca_us_consumer%7D&fredhopperpage=index.jsp&language=en&country=US&catalogType=CONSUMER&proxybuster=YN5UHQEJBAN3DJ0RMRESHQNHKFSEKI5P

(Man, that's some URL!)

Thanks to djs for pointing out that these sets specs are listed at the Philips website, I created a GearViews section for each one, for easy referencing (pending approval of course).

30PW9110d:
http://gearviews.avsforum.com/showproduct.php?product=312

30PW9100d:
http://gearviews.avsforum.com/showproduct.php?product=313

30PW8420:
http://gearviews.avsforum.com/showproduct.php?product=314

The Philips site doesn't reference the DCR capablities of the 9100d. If the BB site is correct and it does have DCR, I'll add that to the product description.

I've also finally added a review of my Philips to the 850h page:
http://gearviews.avsforum.com/showproduct.php?product=28

Hope this helps those looking at these TVs.

ps. yeeaah 800 posts!

What would be the better TV?

PHILIPS 30PW8420

or PHILIPS 30PW9100D

I know the latter has the HD tuner, but my cable company offers the HD box free of charge with the digital cable package. I also noticed the the latter choice has the QAM support as well, correct?

Also. the Philips 30PW9100D/37 and 30PW9110D/37 are just the same models, only the color of the TV is the difference?

Originally posted by tuneintuneout
What would be the better TV?

PHILIPS 30PW8420

or PHILIPS 30PW9100D

I know the latter has the HD tuner, but my cable company offers the HD box free of charge with the digital cable package. I also noticed the the latter choice has the QAM support as well, correct?

Also. the Philips 30PW9100D/37 and 30PW9110D/37 are just the same models, only the color of the TV is the difference?

According to the BB website, the 9100d is cable card ready, meaning you wouldn't need the box from your cable company for encrypted digital channels.

How much are they selling for in Walmart? I will have to look or call around tomorrow and see if they are in stock yet. We have 2 super Walmarts in my area. I have noticed however that Sams Club has the Philips 30PW8420 in stock for $598.00.

Wal-Mart's price is $668 for the 9110d

Thanks very much for your help Oryan, this model seems to be my best choice in the sub $700.00 category HDTV widescreen tvs. Will look into it. BTW, check your PM.

Originally posted by CrocHunter
The reason a lot of us don't like philips sets' is a lot of us that ourchased them have had nothing but problems with them, and they have horrible stretch modes for 4:3 material that are pretty much useless.

This is refuring to the 8402 philips models.

Yep. I had one of them and returned it due to so many issues:

- Discoloration in the corners.

- Faint white line at the top of the screen. What was strange about this "line" is if you turned off the TV and then turned it back on, the line would go away. It would then come back the very second you changed a channel or would switch to an input.

- Random flashing red, blue, and green horizontal lines. This is clearly a defect with this TV because I've seen it reported on CC and Amazon.com's customer reviews.

- Horrid DVD playback over component inputs. With no way to disable VSM on this TV (and don't tell me I must cut a wire inside the TV--that's asinine), you'll either learn to like seeing VERY noticeable edge halos over everything or you'll be smart and not buy this TV.

- If the people at Philips think "Superwide" mode looks good for 4:3 programs, they're nuts! It doesn't look much different from the 16:9 mode.

- Geometry is pretty lousy. If you want to fix it you better find someone that knows the geometry service menu parameters very well.

Avoid the 8402 if it's still available.

Well Dark Rain, I've seen many a post on message boards about the 8402 problems, and was glad Costco ran out of them before I spent the cash on one of those. I'm hoping the newer 9110d model is a little bit better.

Does anyone know anything about availability or pricing of the 4:3 32" Philips model? Does the 4:3 compare well with the 16:9 30PW9100 in terms of PQ, etc.?

I'll only buy when the wood grain version comes out!:)

Originally posted by COVERkreator
I'll only buy when the wood grain version comes out!:)

Philips has a model out in the UK just like you want:
http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/3/32pw9586_05/32pw9586_05__fg_.jpg

http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/3/32pw9586_05/32pw9586_05_pss_eng.pdf

I was at best buy today looking at the incredibly well priced 34pw8502 for my dad and decided to look for the 30pw9100d box. I have a couple of buddies that work there and they took me to the box. The box makes no mention of it being digital cable ready, nor did the box have the DCR logo on it. Also, the back jack diagram was printed on the box, and missing was the card slot. I don't think the 9100d has a DCR slot like the BB site says. It is probably just the silver version of the 9110d. If someone visits a BB and they have the 9100d on display, take a look at the back to see if it is in fact DCR ready.

From what I understand, having a DCR slot isn't a big deal. From what I hear regarding Comcast digital service is that some DCR cards interfere with the digital cable menu on the screen and on demand. I've heard that those cards have problems with 2 way communication that allows stuff like On Demand and DVR. I was planning on using the HD cable box anyways. If I'm wrong, maybe someone can correct me, but I did read that somewhere. As for the Philips 9100d model, I saw that one in Walmart today. Was a rather nice set, for a good price. Had I known to look for that slot on the back of the TV, I could have reported about it here today.

Does anyone know the native resolution of this tv? Because im looking into the new samsungs coming out, the models starting with an R they are 480p, 720p, and 1080i native!

Originally posted by tuneintuneout
From what I understand, having a DCR slot isn't a big deal. From what I hear regarding Comcast digital service is that some DCR cards interfere with the digital cable menu on the screen and on demand. I've heard that those cards have problems with 2 way communication that allows stuff like On Demand and DVR. I was planning on using the HD cable box anyways. If I'm wrong, maybe someone can correct me, but I did read that somewhere. As for the Philips 9100d model, I saw that one in Walmart today. Was a rather nice set, for a good price. Had I known to look for that slot on the back of the TV, I could have reported about it here today.

CableCards are only one way, so you will be unable to watch PPV, get the guide (unless the TV has its own built in guide), and watch on demand channels. Two way cards aren't going to be available until at least the first half of 2006.

Now I have to find a decent DVI to HDMI cable, without busting my wallet. I'm not sure what forim here talks about that. Can anyone recommend a good cable?

I brought two different DVI-HDMI cables on Ebay for under $15.00. Both work perfectly, excellent picture.

The key for me is knowing that the cable that I bought is a good one, and not something that I will get scammed on. What are some good brands, that don't cost more than 30-40 for a 3 foot section?

So has anyone seen the picture on this set yet? I returned an 8402 due to the crappy picture. Would the Philips 30" sets (850, 8402, 9100) all have the same tubes/electronics, or do they change them with the case design? I like the size/price of this unit, but am wary after my 8402 experience.

Do you live near a Walmart? Take a drive and see, they have them there.

ok wat is the native resolutions????????????????????

Originally posted by viper1126
ok wat is the native resolutions????????????????????

Are you asking what resolutions this set accepts on its inputs? And/or, are you asking which resolutions are directly displayed rather than being converted before display?

Native resolution usually describes the horizontal and vertical pixel counts on a fixed pixel display, like a plasma, DLP, or LCD. CRT HDTVs like this one do not really have a screen-based native resolution, but they often do convert inputs to one or two resolutions for display. For example, my RP CRT HDTV displays 1080i, 480i and 480p directly. It does not display--nor accept an input of--720p.

Most CRT-based HDTVs do not display 720p directly. Those that accept 720p input typically convert it to 1080i for display.

I don't know any details on the set discussed in this thread.

yes im asking what it displays because the new samsungs claim they have native resolutions of 480p, 720p and 1080i so if this doesnt ill buy the samsung starting with an R model number

If it is like past Philips sets, then this will display 1080i, 480p, and 480i. It has been the pattern that HD sets with built in tuners will be able to accept a 720p signal since the tuner will need to have the circuity inside to convert 720p to 1080i anyways, they can use that same circuity to convert a 720p from component or hdmi to 1080i. As soon as we get our display up at our store, I can test this.

As for the tube, it is most likely the same tube that has been in the past Philips 30" models, but this set will most definitely have different electronics inside, which are probably to blame for the past problems with philips sets.

/product.samsung.com/SamsungUSA/PRODUCT/20050427/txr3075.pdf
THis set claims all the resulotions i think the 26inch on elooks hott

Yeah those samsungs do look quite good. It would be very interesting if they were in fact able to natively scan 720p along with 1080i.

Originally posted by viper1126
/product.samsung.com/SamsungUSA/PRODUCT/20050427/txr3075.pdf
THis set claims all the resulotions i think the 26inch on elooks hott

Link does not work.

The spec sheets for the Philips sets are out:

30pw9110d:
http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/3/30pw9110d_37/30pw9110d_37_pss_aen.pdf

30pw9100d:
http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/3/30pw9100d_37/30pw9100d_37_pss_aen.pdf

30pw8420:
http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/3/30pw8420_37/30pw8420_37_pss_aen.pdf

Here is a working link to the Samsung set referenced above:
http://product.samsung.com/SamsungUSA/PRODUCT/20050427/txr3075.pdf

hmmm if the sammy displays i might get that in the 26 in but doesnt that defeat the purpose because its so much smaller than the 30 inch?

Anynoe have a rough idea of what the samsung txr3075will cost?

Do keep in mind with that Samsung, that if you use a Cable service such as comcast, the only way you can get the native resolutions with that tv is to us the TV's own internal tuner. Cable cards and boxes will not cause the native resolutions to be displayed, NO?

Here is the Samsung TV from the Samsung website:
http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=TXR3075WHX%2fXAA&selTab=Specifications

It seems pretty much the same as the Philips 30pw9110d, features wise. If you get 2 properly working models of these TV's and put them side by side, cover the logos and compare the 2, they would be pretty much the same.

i want to see them both cuz the sammy claims 720p!

Originally posted by tuneintuneout
Do keep in mind with that Samsung, that if you use a Cable service such as comcast, the only way you can get the native resolutions with that tv is to us the TV's own internal tuner. Cable cards and boxes will not cause the native resolutions to be displayed, NO?

If a tv is able to natively display a resolution, it shouldn't matter the source, either the internal tuner or an external source, such as a cable or satalite box.

Originally posted by viper1126
i want to see them both cuz the sammy claims 720p!

On a display as small as either the 30 or 26, i'm not to sure you'd see much of a difference, if any between 720p native and 720p converted to 1080i for display. I'm farily certain that the Philips will not do 720p native, but it is possible it will convert a 720p input to 1080i. I'm still a little bit skeptical of the Samsung claims, just because no other consumer grade HD CRT has done native 720p, not even the holiest of holy's, the Sony.

I knew a guy named Sammy once, heavy drinker but he didn't make any TV's. As far as the 30 inch TV goes, I think the only thing important is the quality of the TV set and how it's built. Most of you folks on this forum know what to look for ( aside from obvious issues like geometry that is easily spotted ). To the average person, they could not tell the difference between a Sony HDTV or a Samsung and Philips. You guys here are experienced enough to know what to look for.

Just picked up the 30pw9110d and here is my initial reaction. Decent TV. I think Its better than the Sanyo I had and returned. With this tv the dvd quality on the component imputs looks great, but the built in tuner seems out of focus or diditized. This is the opposite of the sanyo 30" i had and returned to WallyWorld. SD still looks bad to me, I guess I will just have to live with this until I can afford Dish Or Direct (sucks being poor). For the money (668 bucks) I guess I am Happy. I will give you all a update in a few days.

Scott

I am also going to pick up this tv within a week. Budget wise, I can't go above $700.00 for a widescreen HDTV. So this seems like my best choice. As for the tuner, we do not plan on using the built in tuner, but rather a HD box from Comcast. Do you have the option of trying the HD cable box out instead of using the built in tuner? Also, does the tv in the box come with any sort of cables such as component cables?

Originally posted by tuneintuneout
I am also going to pick up this tv within a week. Budget wise, I can't go above $700.00 for a widescreen HDTV. So this seems like my best choice. As for the tuner, we do not plan on using the built in tuner, but rather a HD box from Comcast. Do you have the option of trying the HD cable box out instead of using the built in tuner? Also, does the tv in the box come with any sort of cables such as component cables?

You'll have to buy your cables separately.

As Oryan has said no cables. Thanks agian Oryan for your wealth of knowledge.

Scott

Originally posted by oryan_dunn
On a display as small as either the 30 or 26, i'm not to sure you'd see much of a difference, if any between 720p native and 720p converted to 1080i for display. I'm farily certain that the Philips will not do 720p native, but it is possible it will convert a 720p input to 1080i. I'm still a little bit skeptical of the Samsung claims, just because no other consumer grade HD CRT has done native 720p, not even the holiest of holy's, the Sony. My Panasonic DT-M3050w handles both 720p/1080i native and I can indeed see a difference.

I prefer 720p native over 1080i.

Originally posted by tuneintuneout
I am also going to pick up this tv within a week. Budget wise, I can't go above $700.00 for a widescreen HDTV. So this seems like my best choice. As for the tuner, we do not plan on using the built in tuner, but rather a HD box from Comcast. Do you have the option of trying the HD cable box out instead of using the built in tuner? Also, does the tv in the box come with any sort of cables such as component cables?

Around here, Comcast has been known to furnish component video and stereo audio cable s when they come out and install an HD box. I guess they cannot confirm the box is working unless they furnish cables if you don't have them already.

These won't be top-of-the-line cables, but worth a try until you get better if you want them.

I have NOT heard of them offering DVI, HDMI or optical (audio) cables, just component video and stereo audio.

Well we're going to get a DVI to HDMI cable to connect the Comcast HD box to our new HDTV. This will take care of the sound and picture coming out of the HD box. Then I'll get some component cables to hook up the DVD player to the TV.

I'm going to pre-order some cables before we get the Philips 30pw9110d. I've found a retailer called http://www.bluejeanscable.com

I need to get a DVI to HDMI cable, ( 3 feet ).
Also need a component cable. ( 3 feet ).

This seems to be the cheapest place to order DVI to HDMI cables. $31.25 for a 3 foot DVI to HDMI connection and offer a 30 day money back guarantee. Should I get this for my Philips 30pw9110d? I will need the component connection to hook up my DVD player to the TV.

Buy your DVI to HDMI cable from mashy76 on ebay. Digital signal is digital signal... as long as the signal goes from A to B, you won't notice a difference in cables. I bought my 10 footer for less than 10 bucks shipped.

Wow, that's an amazing price! $10.00?? Why is it that some store brands want over $100.00 for the same type of cable and this guy can do it for a total of $10.00 shipped?

I take it ,as you posted that you have one of these cables? I guess you're right, a cable is a cable!

That isn't the case with component cables, as they are analog.. so make sure you get some decent ones. The DVI to HDMI cables you see for $100 in the store are typically made by Monster. Basically you're paying for the name, nothing more. I'm sure there's extra insulation and maybe a little higher quality wiring, but they aren't worth $100 IMO.

I have one that I'm using between my computer and my Time Warner STB. I've been using it for over a month now and it still works great.

As for the Philips 30pw9110d and using a Comcast HD box I want to use a DVI - HDMI for my picture. Since that connection will not transmit sound, I was thinking of getting an optical cable to connect from the back of the HD box to the TV. I looked at this link, posted in this thread:
http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/3/30pw9110d_37/30pw9110d_37_cow_.jpg

Is the spdif in the upper left corner the connection to hook up the optical cable from the Comcast HD box to the tv for sound?

The optical out on the TV is only there to send audio to a surround sound receiver from the TV's built in HD tuner. It is not an audio input. I'm not sure how the Philips works with DVI as far as audio, but you will have to use one of the analog audio inputs on the TV. On my Sanyo, the HDMI port uses the audio jacks in the component input 3 set of jacks when using the HDMI to DVI cable.

F*&@! comcast. How hard is it to get a HD box tuner that has HDMI outputs? So if I want to use a DVI - HDMI cable, I also have to use component cables for sound? What happens if I hook up the component cables to the tv set from the HD box along with the DVI - HDMI? Sound is one thing, but won't having both cables ( dvi - hdmi and component )hooked interfere with video picture? Or can I just get some plain ol left-right audio cables for the sound?

component cables dont carry sound. Optimally you would want to run the sound to your reciever by an optical cable, but if you dont have one then u have to use the plain rca red and whites...for sound out of tv speakers, it doesnt really matter

Thanks.

Picture Quality?

Anyone have comments about picture quality out of the box? I have the Sanyo equivalent (from walmart too) and it had some noticable "barrel roll" on the edges.
Thanks, Sly

This is my third day with this philips 30" HDTV. I can't see any barel roll, there is a slight pincusion, maybe a little keystone. My main complaint is the grainy look mostly with SD. It looks kinda like watching a windows media file thats doubled in size. Anyone have the service manual for this set? It does look better than the sanyo equivalent I returned.

Scott

What is SD?

Standard Definition... anything that isn't HD. There is enhanced definition which is what progressive scan DVD players use (480p), but SD is 480i.

If Comcast offers the Scientific Atlanta 8300HD, that has an HDMI port on it. It is a DVR though, so you'd have to pay the extra monthly fee for that service. Other than that Pace is the only other company that I know of that makes a box with HDMI.

Originally posted by tuneintuneout
What is SD?

:p :D :p :D :p
Resist the habit, quit SD!

Originally posted by midsouthgeek
This is my third day with this philips 30" HDTV. I can't see any barel roll, there is a slight pincusion, maybe a little keystone. My main complaint is the grainy look mostly with SD. It looks kinda like watching a windows media file thats doubled in size. Anyone have the service manual for this set? It does look better than the sanyo equivalent I returned.

Scott

Good luck finding a manual for this set. It took me a little over a year to track one down for my model, and that was through an outdated link on a dutch auction site that I found an email address. Luckily he had a copy of the disk and $30 bucks and a week later I finally had the manual. With that said, there isn't terribly to much in the manual about service menu tweaks. Most of it is schematics of the boards and a reprint of the user manual. It doesn't explain any of the option bits and what their functions are. But, if you do find one for this set, let me know how you got it.

Originally posted by kevbeck122
Standard Definition... anything that isn't HD. There is enhanced definition which is what progressive scan DVD players use (480p), but SD is 480i.

If Comcast offers the Scientific Atlanta 8300HD, that has an HDMI port on it. It is a DVR though, so you'd have to pay the extra monthly fee for that service. Other than that Pace is the only other company that I know of that makes a box with HDMI.

Comcast offers only Motorola boxes right now, at least in the Philadelphia area.


Has anyone had any luck with tuning QAM digital cable from Comcast on this set? I bought one for my dad's new basement setup. While he doesn't really give a crap it's a set I was considering for the bedroom because of the QAM tuner combined with having read that Comcast doesn't scramble the locals, etc on their HD channels.

any new buyers for this TV? planning to get it this week. feedback really welcome :)

I just bought this set last weekend. I'm just using a cheap antenna right now and HD reception still seems very good. The picture quality of PBS-HD looks great.

Geometry isn't perfect (keystone is off a little as well as pincusion near the right side), but it isn't noticible when watching viewing material. I'm using a radeon 9500 in my htpc and have it hooked to the tv thru the component input using the ati dongle. Quality on dvd looks very good, although I am getting some slight ringing on the edges of objects. I can see the ringing thru both the component input and when viewing the HD, SD material.

Overall I'm happy with the tv for the price. I'm going to try to swap out cables to see if I can get rid of the ringing.

I just ordered a DVI - HDMI cable from Pacific Cables for the Philips 9110d. We should have the cable by tomorrow, and the TV by this Sat. I just wished Comcast had HDMI out on their HD boxes. It would save me a lot of trouble with the extra audio cords and I'd be able to get digital audio from my HD box. I will use the DVI-HDMI cable to connect the HD box to the HDTV and component cables for the DVD player. Does the Philips 9110D have a digital audio input?

**EDIT**

I just read this on the Philips 9110D spec sheet.

The HDMI input is fully backward compatible with DVI sources but
includes digital audio. HDMI uses HDCP copy protection.

2 questions about the above text.

a. What does that mean when it says the HDMI input is fully backward compatible with DVI sources but includes digital audio. From what I understand, if I use a DVI _ HDMI cable to connect the 9110d to the cable box, I though that cable only transmits sound because of the DVI connection?

b. My wife likes to tape her shows via the VCR, which is part of the DVD-VCR combo, ( zenith xbv243 model ). Will she be able to do this if we are using a DVI-HDMI cable connected from the Comcast box?

A. They should have changed around some words in that statement. It should read: The HDMI input includes digital audio, but is fully backward compatible with DVI sources. DVI doesn't and never will carry audio. Technically, though, HDMI is DVI and audio combined into one cable.

B. The composite (yellow, red, white) jacks should still be active when using the DVI port, so you should just be able to hook those up to the VCR and record anything non HD.


Anyone try a PS2 through components on this set yet? If it's any better than the Sanyo 30 inch (wavyness when using 480i and 480p signals), I might have take that back and get this one.

anymore thoughts on this set? also i went to walmart and the said if its not on the site they dont have it, but the phillips site says they do?

i saw this at the store i work at, personally i felt its picture quality was slightly below that of the samsung, toshiba, sony (those are the only 30" tubes i could compare to) tho i wonder if using a coax+built in tuner would be a different quality picture to that of external tuner box + component or even hdmi/dvi. however, personally, i haven't figured out if i would spent that extra $200 for the sony 30" which i felt has a better picture

I bought this TV last night and honestly, i am not too happy with the PQ. I am not sure if it needs calibration but overall the PQ isn't too appealing. HD pictures are good but the thing that is bothering me is the sharp line that comes around brighter colors, for instance text or say if a guy is wearing a white shirt or sthg. i reduced the sharpness as well as the contrast but to no avail. Also, this philips does a very poor job at displaying red. Reds are maroons in this tv. I changed the tint levels but nope. There is an overall greenish tinge. Whites are brownish. 480i sucks. SD looks horrible. Time to flip channels is around 2 seconds which is sheer atrocity. I am gonna sync it to THX settings tonight and see if it improves. Any other calibration ideas friends? I dont think this is a keeper:(

OK so anyone who has this tv have these color problems? manye its the tempature?

Originally posted by viper1126
OK so anyone who has this tv have these color problems? manye its the tempature?

I actually thought the color and greyscale looked pretty good. I don't have a color analyzer so I don't know how good the actual tracking is. After using Avia I ended up with brightness 30, contrast 40, and color 65 with the warm temperature setting on the tv hooked thru component from my htpc.

My main problem is the ringing I see around objects and text. I even see it around the input names that come up in the corner when I switch inputs.

I have a feeling that if the set were properly calibrated to AVIA or DVE, it would look much better. The older philips at our store looked like crap until i brought in my disk and did a quick run through with AVIA. Next week, I'll be able to test this set out at our store and report back.

praveensg, make sure that your sharpness is off or close to it. Also, make sure things like dynamic contrast are off. At least on my philips, colors only look correct when the color temp is on warm. Otherwise, all the colors look out of wack. As for the slow channel change, I hate it as well, but its not a huge deal in the scheme of things.

Originally posted by Wutang
I actually thought the color and greyscale looked pretty good. I don't have a color analyzer so I don't know how good the actual tracking is. After using Avia I ended up with brightness 30, contrast 40, and color 65 with the warm temperature setting on the tv hooked thru component from my htpc.

My main problem is the ringing I see around objects and text. I even see it around the input names that come up in the corner when I switch inputs.

Could you take a pic of the ringing? Would it show up in a pic? I know on my set, there was a slight miore (sp) effect that was greatly reduced when I calibrated for overscan. After I shrunk the vertical axis, this banding (what it looked like to me) went away.

I should note that after calibrating my set to AVIA, it looked like there was too much color and peoples faces were to warm. But on the advice of AVIA, i left it like that for a week, and now I realize that it is a much more accurate picture. I was used to the cool setting on my old tv with color set kinda low, so the shock factor of having more color to a while to settle in. Since then, DVD's look much more like they did in the theater.

Originally posted by oryan_dunn
Could you take a pic of the ringing? Would it show up in a pic? I know on my set, there was a slight miore (sp) effect that was greatly reduced when I calibrated for overscan. After I shrunk the vertical axis, this banding (what it looked like to me) went away.

I should note that after calibrating my set to AVIA, it looked like there was too much color and peoples faces were to warm. But on the advice of AVIA, i left it like that for a week, and now I realize that it is a much more accurate picture. I was used to the cool setting on my old tv with color set kinda low, so the shock factor of having more color to a while to settle in. Since then, DVD's look much more like they did in the theater.

Hopefully this pic will work. If you look at the picture with the toast, you can see the ringing running verticle on the left hand side.

http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/bc/42825480_12b1/bc/TV.jpg?BCgklgCBfQl8ebwp

Yes Wutang, thatz what I am referring to, the ringing. It is so obvious! Text is pretty hard to read!!! Even the on-screen display text has it. I could see it on the demo tv at walmart too but i said 'heck that could be fixed'. Is there a way to fix it? If that goes away, then I will be more than happy :)

Originally posted by Wutang
Hopefully this pic will work. If you look at the picture with the toast, you can see the ringing running verticle on the left hand side.

http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/bc/42825480_12b1/bc/TV.jpg?BCgklgCBfQl8ebwp

Link doesn't work.

Originally posted by oryan_dunn
Link doesn't work.

itz working oryan. try again :)

Originally posted by praveensg
itz working oryan. try again :)
I get an error bcvrf.yahoo.com could not be found.

hmm maybe itz got sthg to do with the cgi!:(

Originally posted by oryan_dunn
I get an error bcvrf.yahoo.com could not be found.

Ok, try it now.

http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/bc/42825480_12b1/bc/TV.jpg?BCSMngCBl_Pkebwp

It'd be really cool if someone could point me to some calibration threads on this forum. Tutorial type would be really great :)

friends,
i used THX optimizer and believe me the PQ has improved manifold. I connected my dvd player via the component input and adjusted some of the player's settings. it is much better now. However, the ringing problem still continues. It's a prominent greenish halo kinda thing that shows almost around everything. Most bright edges show as double images (ghosts) and most of the picture is hazey. Is there any way to get rid of this ghosting? Or it's just sthg that i'll have to live with. i googled for ghosting but didnt find too many helpful resources. it'd be really great if any of you could give me a workaround for this problem :(

Praveen

I also cannot access the link. As far as PQ, are you talking about when the picture is in 4:3 or 16:9 or both? If this is the case, why would Philips sell a TV that has this problem? I'm not saying that it's just your TV, but in general?

BTW, what is THX optimizer?

Originally posted by tuneintuneout
BTW, what is THX optimizer?

well it is more evident in dvd playback and on SD. i am not sure if this is a connection issue. but wat better than component? :(

THX optimizer is Lucas Films' basic calibration utility. you can find it on some of the newer DVDs like The incredibles, The village, the alamo etc. it's pretty good for basic settings like contrast, brightness etc.

We have the incredibles here. I have not looked into that dvd yet as far as the features, so I assume something is in there to calibrate the tv?

Originally posted by tuneintuneout
We have the incredibles here. I have not looked into that dvd yet as far as the features, so I assume something is in there to calibrate the tv?

yeah look in the setup link on the menu. i have the WS version. not really sure if itz there on the FS version. check the jewelcase.:)

Here are some of the screenshots that i took off of my 9110d. it is connected to a DVD player via component cables and is thx optimized. we can clearly see the ghosting near mrs.incredible's hair. also look at the way the screen's converged in some of the thx tests. it flunked the 16X9 test when it totally omitted the left vertical line. also, the lines were wavy. thatz bearable but wat about the ghosting?

Anyone else? My local Walmart doesn't have this set in yet, but I wish they would. I currently have the 30" Sanyo, and was hoping to switch it for the 9110d as I can't stand the image distortion problems on the edges of the Sanyo screen. Maybe I need to pass on both, and spend the extra $$ for the 30HS420 or maybe one of the new slimfit Sammys.

If anyone knows of a Walmart in Md that has the 30pw9110d in stock, let me know. I will buy it, test it, and let evertyone know the results.

I'm hoping to have the Philips 9110d here by Sat evening at the latest. Will keep you guys informed as to how it does. Also, along with THX optimizer, are there any other programs to help tweak a widescreen tv? SPECIFICALLY ones you can rent in a dvd rental store like Hollywood video or the library?

I used this from my signs dvd and picture quality went way up!! Now if we can figure a way to fix the ghosting/banding or whatever you call it. I like this tv and don't want to carry it back. Although its much lighter that the sanyo 30'.

Scott

Originally posted by midsouthgeek
I used this from my signs dvd and picture quality went way up!! Now if we can figure a way to fix the ghosting/banding or whatever you call it. I like this tv and don't want to carry it back. Although its much lighter that the sanyo 30'.

Scott

you too can see the ringing (ghost) on your TV? guess it's a production issue then. any service menu tweaks friends?:)

Maybe the ghosting is only on a small amount of TV's, but that's doubtable since 2 people here in this thread have brought this issue up. Why would Philips ship a tv that has this problem? Or maybe it's just a setting that we don't know about that can correct this issue? Has anyone contacted Philips yet about this issue?

I saw on the Philips site, that you can chat with a rep online. Since I have yet to pick up the TV, I will wait and see what happens.

Originally posted by tuneintuneout
Maybe the ghosting is only on a small amount of TV's, but that's doubtable since 2 people here in this thread have brought this issue up. Why would Philips ship a tv that has this problem? Or maybe it's just a setting that we don't know about that can correct this issue? Has anyone contacted Philips yet about this issue?

I saw on the Philips site, that you can chat with a rep online. Since I have yet to pick up the TV, I will wait and see what happens.

I have called philips and there techs are not very savy. They both told me that what I was splainin had no adjustment to correct and my only option was to take it back or get a service call on it. I did go back to WallyWorld and they had one on display and it looked the same to me.

Scott

Originally posted by tuneintuneout
Why would Philips ship a tv that has this problem?

Remember... you get what you pay for. They get away with the price by putting cheaper parts inside which can cause problems over time. The Sanyo I have was $562 and it shipped with very bad component jacks... everyone has the problem... Sanyo knows about it but has no answers. There are also many other flaws that can't be corrected. Picture is great though for a cheap set.

It may be a cheap set, but compared to out main TV, which is a 5-6 year old 20 inch RCA tv I wouldn't call it cheap. A tv is a tv to me. A lot of you guys in here know your stuff, and I admire you all for that. If I were to sit down and tell my wife about the progressive scanning vrs interlaced, PQ, she'd look at me like I was crazy and tell me we're not spending over 800 dollars for a TV. I doubt she could tell half the difference in the TV's as you guys can. Me? Ahh, as long as it's HD, HDMI, I can watch my football games, she can watch her weekly tv show and such.

kevbeck122 said: The Sanyo I have was $562 and it shipped with very bad component jacks. . .everyone has this problem

Not true. I have the 32" and there are no problems whatsoever with the component video inputs. I currently only have one component video device (Pioneer Elite DV-45A) and the picture quality is stunning via the component video outputs in both progressive scan and interlaced (of course, I have no reason to use interlaced but just wanted to mention that it looked good too). After reading about the poor component video with these Sanyos I tried it with the component 3 input and that looked rock-solid as well.

Maybe I just got lucky :confused:

DVD players are the only things that don't have problems with the Sanyo. Pretty much anything else does (XBOX, PS2, cable/satellite boxes, etc.)

Just got the Philips 30pw9110D set and so far no problems. Very satisfied witht the PQ. The HiDef looks awesome, as you may expect. 4:3 mode is good as well. No geometry problems at all. The only thing is that I cannot get cable service with the DVI-HDMI cable cord. I keep getting the weak signal display on the TV. I disconnected the DVI-HDMI cable and hooked up the component cables that I had for the DVD player thru the Comcast HD box to the HDTV and now am able to get a cable TV. I don't know if I am missing a setting or what. There are input settings to choose from, like HDMI, CVI, AV1 and AV2 I think. I'm not sure if I have a bad DVI-HDMI cable cord or what. I ordered the cable cord from Pacific Cable. They have great customer service and shipping is very prompt. This is the cord that I ordered:
http://www.pacificcable.com/Picture_Page.asp?DataName=HDMIDVI%2D1

This is the correct cable to hook up a Comcast HD box to the Philips HDTV, correct? Any suggestions as to why I can't get a picture via the DVI-HDMI cord?

The DVI port might not be active on your box. Call Comcast and ask if they can enable the port on your box, otherwise it should be active sometime before the end of summer.. if they upgrade the software on their boxes.

Can you please explain what you mean by Comcast enabling the DVI port on the box? Is that something they can do from the office?

Originally posted by tuneintuneout
Just got the Philips 30pw9110D set and so far no problems. Very satisfied witht the PQ. The HiDef looks awesome, as you may expect. 4:3 mode is good as well. No geometry problems at all. The only thing is that I cannot get cable service with the DVI-HDMI cable cord. I keep getting the weak signal display on the TV. I disconnected the DVI-HDMI cable and hooked up the component cables that I had for the DVD player thru the Comcast HD box to the HDTV and now am able to get a cable TV. I don't know if I am missing a setting or what. There are input settings to choose from, like HDMI, CVI, AV1 and AV2 I think. I'm not sure if I have a bad DVI-HDMI cable cord or what. I ordered the cable cord from Pacific Cable. They have great customer service and shipping is very prompt. This is the cord that I ordered:
http://www.pacificcable.com/Picture_Page.asp?DataName=HDMIDVI%2D1

This is the correct cable to hook up a Comcast HD box to the Philips HDTV, correct? Any suggestions as to why I can't get a picture via the DVI-HDMI cord?

Does this mean you don't see any ghosting?

Correct.

Originally posted by tuneintuneout
Can you please explain what you mean by Comcast enabling the DVI port on the box? Is that something they can do from the office?

They basically send a software patch to your box which makes the DVI port active. Your box is basically a two way cable modem, so they can do that from the office.

Originally posted by tuneintuneout
Just got the Philips 30pw9110D set and so far no problems. Very satisfied witht the PQ. The HiDef looks awesome, as you may expect. 4:3 mode is good as well. No geometry problems at all. The only thing is that I cannot get cable service with the DVI-HDMI cable cord. I keep getting the weak signal display on the TV. I disconnected the DVI-HDMI cable and hooked up the component cables that I had for the DVD player thru the Comcast HD box to the HDTV and now am able to get a cable TV. I don't know if I am missing a setting or what. There are input settings to choose from, like HDMI, CVI, AV1 and AV2 I think. I'm not sure if I have a bad DVI-HDMI cable cord or what. I ordered the cable cord from Pacific Cable. They have great customer service and shipping is very prompt. This is the cord that I ordered:
http://www.pacificcable.com/Picture_Page.asp?DataName=HDMIDVI%2D1

This is the correct cable to hook up a Comcast HD box to the Philips HDTV, correct? Any suggestions as to why I can't get a picture via the DVI-HDMI cord?

How is SD and DVD playback TITO?

I just picked up the 30PW9100D yesterday. We already have the older model of this TV (the 850, I think), which now resides in my wife's game room (she was jealous of me playing Xbox in 16x9. hehe). From what I can tell so far, it's PQ is noticably better, especially on SD sources. Standard DircTV looks much cleaner and crisper now. It looks like it's upconverting to 1080i, and it does a much better job of it than the older TV. DirecTV never looked so good.

I tested out 720p by playing Amped 2 on the Xbox. The display flickers at bit as it upconverts it to 1080i, but it only takes a second. The image looked great!

Oh, and of special note, you are able to change the display mode with 480p signals (something the 850 wouldn't do). Now when I watch my Seinfeld DVDs, they won't have to be stretched out.

If you get this TV, it definitely needs to be calibrated first. Out of the box, the black levels were crushed, contrast was horrible, and sharpness was turned up to kill, not to mention that ringing and ghosting others have mentioned. The "Contrast+" feature is, I assume, the same as Velocity Scan Modulation. I immediately turned that garbage off and after a few tweaks, the ghosting and dark lines around objects was gone. Same thing happened on my older set. Also turned off Active Control. I don't like my TV adjusting the image for me.

Local HD signals, DVDs, Xbox, PS2, and Gamecube all look amazing for the price. The stretch modes look a whole lot better than on the 850, so I am very pleased with the purchase. Can't wait to finally watch CSI in HD!

Here is an update on our 30pw9110D. PQ remains great, even in SD. There are a few connectivity issues that I have, being a beginner that I am so try and follow me here.

I got the DVI-HDMI cable working. I just had to wiggle it a little in the back near the comcast box.

OK........
I have these 3 items which inter-connect. The PHILIPS HDTV, the Zenith xbv-243 dvd-vcr combo and the Comcast non-dvr HD box.
When I go to connect the DVI-HDMI cable and the audio cable from the back of the tv to the Comcast box, I get NO sound. If I leave the audio cable in, remove the DVI-HDMI cable and connect the component cables, I get sound. The funny thing about this is that DVI-HDMI and component cables have NOTHING to do with sound. They cannot transmit audio. Only a true HDMI-HDMI cable can do this. Since Comcast doesn't have a HD box with a HDMI output, I am left using the DVI output on the Comcast box. I am using the red-white, yellow cable that Comcast provided for sound. Since I have component cables and a DVI-HDMI cable, I do not use the yellow video connector on the cable that Comcast provided. Just the red and white. Weird.

Second issue. My plan is to use the DVI-HDMI cable for the cable TV service. I will then use component cables from my DVD-VCR combo player to the TV for a video connection. This is the best connection that I have from the particular model of the dvd player that we have, ( zenith xbv-243 model ). For the sound on the dvd-vcr, I run a red-white audio cable from the dvd player to the stereo. When viewing dvd's the picture has a very strong bluish color and you can see evenly spaced vertical lines on the tv. The sound works as supposed to, but the color is very messed up. Through experimenting with various connections, such as using composite connections for my dvd-vcr to the tv, the picture looked normal. So I know it's not the TV. However, since I have a component output on the back of the DVD player, I would very much like to use that, since it's better than composite connections. We requested that a Comcast tech come out this week and reset our connections with the tv, comcast box and dvd.

Originally posted by voodoogmr
I just picked up the 30PW9100D yesterday. We already have the older model of this TV (the 850, I think), which now resides in my wife's game room (she was jealous of me playing Xbox in 16x9. hehe). From what I can tell so far, it's PQ is noticably better, especially on SD sources. Standard DircTV looks much cleaner and crisper now. It looks like it's upconverting to 1080i, and it does a much better job of it than the older TV. DirecTV never looked so good.

I tested out 720p by playing Amped 2 on the Xbox. The display flickers at bit as it upconverts it to 1080i, but it only takes a second. The image looked great!

Oh, and of special note, you are able to change the display mode with 480p signals (something the 850 wouldn't do). Now when I watch my Seinfeld DVDs, they won't have to be stretched out.

If you get this TV, it definitely needs to be calibrated first. Out of the box, the black levels were crushed, contrast was horrible, and sharpness was turned up to kill, not to mention that ringing and ghosting others have mentioned. The "Contrast+" feature is, I assume, the same as Velocity Scan Modulation. I immediately turned that garbage off and after a few tweaks, the ghosting and dark lines around objects was gone. Same thing happened on my older set. Also turned off Active Control. I don't like my TV adjusting the image for me.

Local HD signals, DVDs, Xbox, PS2, and Gamecube all look amazing for the price. The stretch modes look a whole lot better than on the 850, so I am very pleased with the purchase. Can't wait to finally watch CSI in HD!

What did you adjust that got rid of the ringing / ghosting? I calibrated everything you listed and it had no effect on the ghosting. I had the tv hooked up to my htpc and it was especially noticable on text which was very hard to read. In chapter 17 of the Incredibles you could see an obvious green outline around the superhero costume when the girl was holding it up.

I exchanged the phillips for a samsung yesterday and have none of the above issues on the Samsung, so I know its not my setup. If you guys have no problems, then I am going to exchange the Samsung for another phillips, because I liked everthing about the phillips better except for the ghosting.

Can someone who has run Avia or DVE on the 30pw9110d post their settings? Like what you set contrast at, brightness etc etc.

Originally posted by Wutang
What did you adjust that got rid of the ringing / ghosting? I calibrated everything you listed and it had no effect on the ghosting. I had the tv hooked up to my htpc and it was especially noticable on text which was very hard to read. In chapter 17 of the Incredibles you could see an obvious green outline around the superhero costume when the girl was holding it up.
Using just the THX Optimizer, I adjusted the following settings. I don't have a HTPC, but PQ with the Xbox was superb. Text looked crisp and clean with no ringing or ghosting.

Brightness = 37
Color = 55
Picture = 80
Sharpness = 42
Tint = -3

It's still not perfect yet, but once I used these settings with Contrast+ and Active Control off, the horrible ringing was virtually gone. There is only a hint of it with full HD signals OTA, but only with certain stations. Gotta keep tweaking it until I find the sweet spot. The main problem was with brightness. Out of the box, it was turned up to the point that all whites were blooming horribly, and the image was very contrasty. That combination caused most of the ringing. High whites and crushed blacks will do that with just about any CRT.

If I can find out how to get into the service menu, I'm hoping to tweak the settings even more to squeeze every last bit of PQ I can out of it.

Originally posted by voodoogmr
Using just the THX Optimizer, I adjusted the following settings. I don't have a HTPC, but PQ with the Xbox was superb. Text looked crisp and clean with no ringing or ghosting.

Brightness = 37
Color = 55
Picture = 80
Sharpness = 42
Tint = -3

It's still not perfect yet, but once I used these settings with Contrast+ and Active Control off, the horrible ringing was virtually gone. There is only a hint of it with full HD signals OTA, but only with certain stations. Gotta keep tweaking it until I find the sweet spot. The main problem was with brightness. Out of the box, it was turned up to the point that all whites were blooming horribly, and the image was very contrasty. That combination caused most of the ringing. High whites and crushed blacks will do that with just about any CRT.

If I can find out how to get into the service menu, I'm hoping to tweak the settings even more to squeeze every last bit of PQ I can out of it.

Ok, thanks. I'm going to get the Phillips again once they get to the Walmart around here.

You must be getting in pretty good shape by now, lol. With the weight of the TV's, it's no picnic. Those things are a bit## to carry. Good luck, hope the settings work for you!

Originally posted by tuneintuneout
Here is an update on our 30pw9110D. PQ remains great, even in SD. There are a few connectivity issues that I have, being a beginner that I am so try and follow me here.

... My plan is to use the DVI-HDMI cable for the cable TV service. I will then use component cables from my DVD-VCR combo player to the TV for a video connection. This is the best connection that I have from the particular model of the dvd player that we have, ( zenith xbv-243 model ). For the sound on the dvd-vcr, I run a red-white audio cable from the dvd player to the stereo. When viewing dvd's the picture has a very strong bluish color and you can see evenly spaced vertical lines on the tv. The sound works as supposed to, but the color is very messed up. Through experimenting with various connections, such as using composite connections for my dvd-vcr to the tv, the picture looked normal. So I know it's not the TV. However, since I have a component output on the back of the DVD player, I would very much like to use that, since it's better than composite connections. We requested that a Comcast tech come out this week and reset our connections with the tv, comcast box and dvd.

I have seen DVD players that have an option setting (in some setup menu) where you specify using EITHER the S-video output or the component video outputs. The symptoms you describe remind me of my first encounter with this scenario--very strange colors on the component outputs when the DVD player was set for S-video output.

Good luck.

Returned the 9110D yesterday and got home a sanyo 32744 and man am I glad I did that. The picture quality is superb. Whatever you feed it, it looks so good on this TV. It's waay better than the 9110 that I'd got before. PBS and NBC @1080 look real awesome. ABC@720 is not bad either. DVDs are equally wonderful and SD looks cool too :) I am gonna be getting HBO STARZ on cable this week. Really looking forward to that. A big Thank you to all the great members of this forum and Hardwired in particular, for helping me make this decision.:cool:

Originally posted by tuneintuneout
Here is an update on our 30pw9110D. PQ remains great, even in SD. There are a few connectivity issues that I have, being a beginner that I am so try and follow me here.

I got the DVI-HDMI cable working. I just had to wiggle it a little in the back near the comcast box.

OK........
I have these 3 items which inter-connect. The PHILIPS HDTV, the Zenith xbv-243 dvd-vcr combo and the Comcast non-dvr HD box.
When I go to connect the DVI-HDMI cable and the audio cable from the back of the tv to the Comcast box, I get NO sound. If I leave the audio cable in, remove the DVI-HDMI cable and connect the component cables, I get sound. The funny thing about this is that DVI-HDMI and component cables have NOTHING to do with sound. They cannot transmit audio. Only a true HDMI-HDMI cable can do this. Since Comcast doesn't have a HD box with a HDMI output, I am left using the DVI output on the Comcast box. I am using the red-white, yellow cable that Comcast provided for sound. Since I have component cables and a DVI-HDMI cable, I do not use the yellow video connector on the cable that Comcast provided. Just the red and white. Weird.

Second issue. My plan is to use the DVI-HDMI cable for the cable TV service. I will then use component cables from my DVD-VCR combo player to the TV for a video connection. This is the best connection that I have from the particular model of the dvd player that we have, ( zenith xbv-243 model ). For the sound on the dvd-vcr, I run a red-white audio cable from the dvd player to the stereo. When viewing dvd's the picture has a very strong bluish color and you can see evenly spaced vertical lines on the tv. The sound works as supposed to, but the color is very messed up. Through experimenting with various connections, such as using composite connections for my dvd-vcr to the tv, the picture looked normal. So I know it's not the TV. However, since I have a component output on the back of the DVD player, I would very much like to use that, since it's better than composite connections. We requested that a Comcast tech come out this week and reset our connections with the tv, comcast box and dvd.

I want to thank Budget_HT for his response. Here is how I solved my problems.

Issue one: I had a faulty HDMI-DVI cable that I ordered from Pacific Cable. I tried a new Philips HDMI-DVI cable and it works. I also mentioned that I had a sound problem. It was that where the HDMI input is on the back of the TV, but the HDMI input didn't have sound jacks near it, as HDMI technology is supposed to carry picture AND sound. Problem was that my Comcast cable box only has DVI out, so that means I need an extra sound cord. I routed the sound from the STB to the stereo. Since my stereo has only one set of left-right speaker connections, I added a RCA splitter cable so that I could hook up both my dvd player and my tv sound.
Issue two: I set the DVD options to component. It was set for s-video before. Picture comes through great now. Overall, I am very satisfied with this tv. All of the problems mentioned above were of no fault thru the TV.

Well I returned my 30pw911d on saturday and had to go across town to get anotherone from another wallyworld. Well powered it up and WOW no banding/ghosting. The next day or two I procedded to adjust the color and stuff. Well the bands are back. So I am begining to side with tuneintuneout. I am going to keep it and not look at the bands. I think I am just nit picking and hopefully I can adjust them out, you can barley see them.

Scott

P.S. where is every one.

So on this TV, the HDMI port doesn't share audio jacks with one of the component inputs?

Originally posted by midsouthgeek
Well I returned my 30pw911d on saturday and had to go across town to get anotherone from another wallyworld. Well powered it up and WOW no banding/ghosting. The next day or two I procedded to adjust the color and stuff. Well the bands are back. So I am begining to side with tuneintuneout. I am going to keep it and not look at the bands. I think I am just nit picking and hopefully I can adjust them out, you can barley see them.

Scott

P.S. where is every one.

Are you saying the ghosting is back the same as the original tv you had?

The ghosting I was getting was defintely a problem with the tv and not related to the normal user calibration adjustments. I'm hoping that since two people here have no problems then maybe the ghosting I had was just a defective tv.

Originally posted by kevbeck122
So on this TV, the HDMI port doesn't share audio jacks with one of the component inputs?

None that I have seen. But I have noticed a tiny 3 pin input device on the back of the philips near the HDMI input. It is a white input device. On the website for the philips 9110D, it isn't shown. Maybe someone else can confirm if they have this input device and what it is?

It is most likely a service port to conect a diagnostic computer to the tv.

I just happened to check out this TV today at WM and am interested. When displaying non-stretched 4:3, what color are the bars on the sides? Also, does anyone know if they will be coming out with a 34" in black? I refuse to buy a silver TV.

The pillar bars on 4:3 content are black. I don't see a way to change it.

Great- i can only handle black bars. How many HD-Component inputs are there?

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Originally posted by voodoogmr
The pillar bars on 4:3 content are black. I don't see a way to change it.

Some stations will put up different colors for you. For instance, when i was watching ESPN, non hi-def, they put up a little background grayish bar thing for the 4:3 mode. Other stations may do the same. As for burn in, I wouldn't worry much about that.

Anyone know of a Walmart in Los Angeles that has one of these? I can't find one that has even received any yet.

Originally posted by shugazer9
Great- i can only handle black bars. How many HD-Component inputs are there?
There are indeed 2 component inputs, but only one of them appears to handle an HD signal (AV4). When I hooked up my progressive-scan DVD player to the normal CVI, the video wouldn't sync, so I can only assume it won't handle HD signals either. This isn't very clear in the manual since the setup guide instructs you to hook up a DVD player to the normal CVI.

I have had my 30PW9110D for 9 days. I have a beautiful picture. I have a great OTA setup 60 miles from origin and picking up all on 4K output (about 25 channels counting sidebands). The only problem I have is (#1) the delay between channel changes, and (#2) most of all the terrible guide. I know it doesn't seem like a big deal, but I truly became addicted to the full channel display with hourly lineup data that my standalone OTA HDTV box was giving. This only shows the current program being viewed data and sequential programs individually if you toggle through.

which one is better? I buy it for gaming at 1080i

Philips 30PW9100D or TOSHIBA 30HF85 ?

So dumb question. When I had the 30" Sanyo, I had the cable plugged into the analog tuner, and teh antenna into the digital tuner. Logic behind this was I could pick up both Baltimore and DC OTA HD stations, which is great during football season when they show different games. The Philips 30pw9110d looks like it has only one coax in for both the ATSC and NTSC tuners? How could I hook it up so that I can continue to use my antenna for OTA and cable for other channels? Or will I have to switch to QAM for the locals in HD and lose acess to the DC stations. Help an AV ****** out.

Originally posted by praveensg
Here are some of the screenshots that i took off of my 9110d. it is connected to a DVD player via component cables and is thx optimized. we can clearly see the ghosting near mrs.incredible's hair. also look at the way the screen's converged in some of the thx tests. it flunked the 16X9 test when it totally omitted the left vertical line. also, the lines were wavy. thatz bearable but wat about the ghosting?

This same "ghosting" issue appeared on the Philips 30PW8402 I had. This must be a problem across all of Philips' HD CRTs. There is no fix except to take the POS back to the store and get a refund.

It is too bad Philips decided to get out of high end CRT's, I picked up my 34pw9819 at closeout of its model year 6 months ago and have had zero problems. Handles my local OTA HD through D*'s stb excellently, carries D*'s HD very well, and what little SD I do watch has very good pq. It was strangely incompatible with Philips Pro-scan DVD player the switch was made through on screen menu and the DVI port would not recognize the player for the switch to progressive scan. Returned the DVD player for a Sony with a manual switch for 420p.
Otherwise an excellent TV, that in the box was way over set for color and brightness, and contrast and sharpness. Why do they do that?
Out of production, but if you google the serial number you can find it refubed for $999, and new for $1800.

Anybody figured out how to get into the service menu yet? I want to set the overscan.

Originally posted by rustycruiser
Anybody figured out how to get into the service menu yet? I want to set the overscan.
Yeah, you have to be in the analog tuner mode and press 0-6-2-5-9-6-info.

After having our set hooked at the store, our set does have the yellow halos around most objects. This is extremely annoying and playing with the controls would not solve the problem. It was especially noticable in the menu with an orange ghost to the right of the white text. This problem seems quite odd since it doesn't seem to be a signal issue, rather an issue of some electronics inside the set causing this. I wonder if it has to do with the addition of the built in HD tuner? I believe that these are the first Philips HD CRTs that have built in tuners. The other new model we have, the 8420 w/o a tuner, did not have this problem. The 9110d's lower set of components are 480i only. That really irks me that they didn't make both components HD. On the 8420, there was only one set of component in, but they did 480i/p and 1080i. Even though the 9110d has a black cabinet, I would rather have my setup of the 850h and an external tuner. I have none of the ghosting (sorry Dark Rain, that problem is not with ALL philips sets) and both of my components accept 480i/p and 1080i.

I would be very curious to know if the 9100d that best buy carries exhibits the same ghosting as the 9110d.

are you saying because of the internal HD tuner 9110d has ghosting problem no matter what signal source is?

is ghosting really a common issue on every 9110d set?

I ready to get it on Monday. This ghosting problem really brothers me.

Originally posted by oryan_dunn
Yeah, you have to be in the analog tuner mode and press 0-6-2-5-9-6-info.

After having our set hooked at the store, our set does have the yellow halos around most objects. This is extremely annoying and playing with the controls would not solve the problem. It was especially noticable in the menu with an orange ghost to the right of the white text. This problem seems quite odd since it doesn't seem to be a signal issue, rather an issue of some electronics inside the set causing this. I wonder if it has to do with the addition of the built in HD tuner? I believe that these are the first Philips HD CRTs that have built in tuners. The other new model we have, the 8420 w/o a tuner, did not have this problem. The 9110d's lower set of components are 480i only. That really irks me that they didn't make both components HD. On the 8420, there was only one set of component in, but they did 480i/p and 1080i. Even though the 9110d has a black cabinet, I would rather have my setup of the 850h and an external tuner. I have none of the ghosting (sorry Dark Rain, that problem is not with ALL philips sets) and both of my components accept 480i/p and 1080i.

I would be very curious to know if the 9100d that best buy carries exhibits the same ghosting as the 9110d.

Yes the 9100d from Best Buy has the same problem. Thats the tv I returned.

Originally posted by tamiya
are you saying because of the internal HD tuner 9110d has ghosting problem no matter what signal source is?

is ghosting really a common issue on every 9110d set?

I ready to get it on Monday. This ghosting problem really brothers me.

I was just trying to put 2 and 2 together. It just seems funny that the only sets that exhibit this partitular type of ghosting (yellowish-orange ghost to the right, on all inputs and menus) have built in tuners. I cannot say that every 91x0d set has this problem, but it does seem quite prevelant as a few here have reported it and I have noticed on our set in the store. If you don't really need the built in tuner, I'd definitely go with the 8420. Our display model had a quite nice picture, but I could tell that color temp needed to be adjusted. If you don't need a digital input (I would recommend getting a set that has one), you may be able to find the older 850h model on sale. We still have one in a box at our store.

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I was just trying to put 2 and 2 together. It just seems funny that the only sets that exhibit this partitular type of ghosting (yellowish-orange ghost to the right, on all inputs and menus) have built in tuners. I cannot say that every 91x0d set has this problem, but it does seem quite prevelant as a few here have reported it and I have noticed on our set in the store. If you don't really need the built in tuner, I'd definitely go with the 8420. Our display model had a quite nice picture, but I could tell that color temp needed to be adjusted. If you don't need a digital input (I would recommend getting a set that has one), you may be able to find the older 850h model on sale. We still have one in a box at our store.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Your store? Are you referring to walmart?

Anyway, i like the black outfit. I'm going to check out 9110d tomorrow at walmart. I will see if there is really a ghosting problem on 9110d.

Yes, the walmart store where I work. Another good option if you are on a budget is the 34pw8502 that best buy has for around a grand. I was trying to talk my dad into that tv, but he wants a black cabinet tv in a 34". So I think that he may possibly spring for the new 34" from panasonic with the black frame around the screen.

I have a question about the Philips 30PW8420.

On the specs of the TV from the Philips website, it says the TV "Supported Display Resolution Video formats : 480p, 60Hz, 1080i, 60Hz". Does that mean it will upconvert a 720p feed into 1080i?

Does anyone on this forum currently own this TV? I am thinking about getting it from Sam's Club sometime soon.

I can check tomorrow at work.

Hmm.. a shame the models w/ a built in tuner have problems.. I was definetly looking to purchase one of these in the next upcoming months, but I guess I'll have to wait.. On another note, I stopped by the local walmart and they had a silver 30" ws philips for I believe $635.. It was in fact an hdtv, I THINK it was the 8420, but I'm not sure.. What I wanted to ask you since you seem to know the different models pretty well is, does the 8420 have digital inputs, like hdmi? The set I looked at I couldn't see the rear inputs well, but it appeared to just have component inputs for hd..? The set was a 30" silver ws, and I know it wasn't a 9xxx model. It did look very nice and seemed like a pretty decent price, but it doesn't have a built-in tuner or any digital inputs..? Thanks for the help.

Was the cabinet curved or rolled at the top? If so, it would probably be the 8420, in which case it does have HDMI as well as one set of 480i/p/1080i component inputs. I'll test it this afternoon to see if the 8420 can accept a 720p signal, but my gut says no.

The tuner seems to be weak on the 9110d as well. From my house on a hill, I was able to pull in all the Baltimore locals, plus 4 of the 5 main DC locals with just a silver sensor atached to my old Sanyo 30". With the Philips, I can pull the Bmore stations, but can't pick up a single DC station OTA. %$*#@

Guess I need to look into a better anttena if I keep the Philips. I really want to access to DC locals during football season for the different games in HD.

Yeah, the tuner did seem weak. I had to install an amplifer to our coax lines at work for it to pick up the HD signal.

if you don't think the tv can accept a 720p feed, does that mean it won't even upconvert the feed?

i don't mind if it upconverts but i just want some info to see if the tv can actually do something with a 720p feed

thanks

well, i didn't have time to check today, but historically, philips sets have not even been able to upconvert the feed.

so if the philips tv cannot upconvert the feed, would i just a black screen while trying to watch something in 720p??

I have the 30PW8502. (looks identical to the 9110d without the internal tuner)

You get a blank screen (whatever your screen looks like with no input)when trying to watch something in 720p. It does not upconvert the signal.

ah, thanks for the info noonie

Wow, talk about a pantload.. I can't believe it won't even upconvert/downconvert (do anything) w/ a 720p signal. I guess I'll definetly have to forget about philips. Seeing as how alot of signals are 720p, such as a lot of OTA broadcasts and the new xbox will support 720p, you'd be SOL w/ these tvs.. :confused:

On a brighter side I picked up a 32" lcdtv winbook from microcenter. Perhaps my eye sight is not as good as my ears, but the tv looks damn good to me. It has a bunch of inputs and I'm overall impressed so far. There's a thread in the lcd/plasma forum regarding it, and for the price ($999 after rebate) it's a good bargain for an lcd-tv. This is perfect for my bedroom. Just a heads up for anyone looking for a 30"+ tv, especially for a bedroom, this is definetly worth a consideration.. It accepts 720 natively of course since it's 1366x768, and accepts 1080i as well.

Wow, talk about a pantload.. I can't believe it won't even upconvert/downconvert (do anything) w/ a 720p signal. I guess I'll definetly have to forget about philips. Seeing as how alot of signals are 720p, such as a lot of OTA broadcasts and the new xbox will support 720p, you'd be SOL w/ these tvs.. :confused:

Not exactly. Almost all, if not all, tuners, cable boxes, and satalite boxes will convert a 720p signal to 1080i, so you wouldn't be out of luck with a TV signal. The new xbox will also support 1080i on every game, so you'd just select that resolution over the 720p and you'd also be fine. Until recently, most TV's would only accept and display either 720p or 1080i. Once TVs started having tuners built in is when many models started to convert one signal to the other. With the tuners built in, they already had the components necessary to do this conversion; they didn't need to intentionally add the ability to do it.

Hmm, I guess I overreacted a little then, but still, I'm surprised that the tv doesn't do anything with the signal. Are there many tvs that just do nothing w/ a 720p signal? I'm pretty sure most/all sonys do upconvert to 1080i. Either way, I wasn't aware that all tuners that outputted hd signals have a selectable output. I know some do, but I figured that some might just output whatever signal it received rather than up/down converting it. Good to hear if that is the case..

I wasn't aware that the next xbox would output 1080i since I've only heard them boast about 720p w/ AA, but I guess it would make sense to output 1080i as well in the case of tv's that can't upconvert 720p..

Yeah, MS would have a serious mis-step if they didn't support 1080i as many, many HDTVs only do that resolution. The reason they boast 720p with AA is that technically 720p is superior to 1080i and is slightly more demanding on the graphics chip. Panasonic is another brand that comes to mind that doesn't do anything with a 720p signal (see the end of this thread http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=533559). As far as tuners that output what they receive, many can do that as well, eg. my LG 4200A has a native option that passes along whatever it receives.

Well the 8420 does in fact convert a 720p signal to 1080i. I tested it today and was quite surprised.

Anybody happy with the geometry?

I was watching a DVD on the 30PW9110d today. The DVD was 2.35:1. The lower black bar was up a 1/4 inch in the center of the screen versus the far edge of each side of the screen. I tried adjusting every geometry setting in the Service Menu, and could not get a horizontal line. Any one know which code I need to adjust to get a straight horizontal line on this TV? My previous Sanyo had much better geometry.

Just stop by local Wal-Mart today ready to buy one. No luck, they only have the one on display, no others left in store. They order few more in next 2 weeks...

They have 30pw8420 on display side by side with 9110d. I notice in SD feed the new 9110d does look better than 8420. They have "Are we there yet" DVD playing. There is a circle in the DVD menu. on the edge of the circle 8420 look jagged, but pretty smooth on 9110d.

I see the ghosting problem on 9110d too. It's hard to notice on 8420. And the 9110d on display has color problem too. For example, the text on DVD menu suppose to be blue but shows green on 9110d. No matter how I adjust, it just stay that way. It's kind of weird. Does anyone experience color problem on their 9110d?

I guess If I can find a decent 9110d (without ghost and color problem), my choice will be 9110d. They must use a new chip that improve the SD PQ.

Just wondering if any other place other than Wal-Mart carry the 9110d. anyone knows? Thanks a lot.

I saw the 32PT9100D for $650 at Sam's and the Sanyo HT32744 for $700 at Walmart. Could someone please compare these two. Also are there any other televisions with built in digital tuners for under $800 in the 32" .

Well the 8420 does in fact convert a 720p signal to 1080i. I tested it today and was quite surprised.

thanks for the reply oryan. i guess the 8420 will be a good choice for me.

i plan to get my hdtv feeds through comcast hdtv cable. hopefully the tv really upconverts all 720p signals to 1080i

I saw the 32PT9100D for $650 at Sam's and the Sanyo HT32744 for $700 at Walmart. Could someone please compare these two. Also are there any other televisions with built in digital tuners for under $800 in the 32" .

FSU,
I had recently bought the 9110D and had to return in two days coz of its PQ. The images were so blurred that it was hard to see what was going on :D I tried all sources but later on realised that this was an inherent problem in the new philips series. And somehow, the WS format did not really impress me. The vertical bars constantly dancing drove me nuts :eek: I returned it and got myself a 32744. Let me tell you, it is an awesome piece of engineering. Simply amazing. HD is great, DVD and SD are equally wonderful. The Philips series with built-in tuners is relatively new and it is gonna take some time for philips to fix all the problems. The 32744 has had its share of problems but now it is quite stable as such. Try the 32744, if you dont like it, return it, (which Im sure you will not :))!

OK
2 things:

1) Does anyone who owns this set NOT see ghosting/banding (only reply if you are confident of your ability to tell)?

2) The S/PDIF: will it output audio of analog OTA broadcasts as well as digital OTA broadcasts?

Thanks

Couple of questions on this:

1. Has anyone else adjusted the geometry on their set? If so, what settings did you end up with? I spent a good 30 minutes on it last night, and I can't get it to look any better than it did before. If someone could post the defaults, that'd be great too - I may just set it back there.

2. Does anyone else have a small translucent green bar across the top of the TV while using the regular component input on the back? I do, but it's only when I'm using that particular input, especially for PS2 games. The bar is maybe a quarter to a half an inch tall, and is basically a color overlay of green at the top of the screen. I don't have it when I use the HD component inputs - is it a problem with that particular input?

Thanks.

Actually, nevermind - I just found the service manual online. I can't post a hyperlink here, but if you search yahoo with the model number and service manual, you'll find it too.

Thanks anyway!

downfall,
email me the link (oryan_dunn@hotmail.com) and i'll update the first post of this thread with the info.

thanks

Argh! My 9100 seemed to be perfect at first. I wasn't experiencing this ghosting everyone else was. Now, it's horrible. It mainly shows up on SD sources, but it's now showing up on 480p signals from DVDs and the Xbox. It looks like everything is out of focus. The settings I used before seem to not work anymore. I haven't changed any settings, so I'm not sure why the PQ has degenerated so quickly. This TV is about to go back to the store.

Hey,

thanks to downfall, here is Philips Service Website:
www.forceonline.com

from here, one can find the service manuals for the new model philips sets:
8420:
http://www.forceonline.com/download.asp?DownloadId=30
91x0d:
http://www.forceonline.com/download.asp?DownloadId=54

I'd also keep an eye on this:
http://www.forceonline.com/products/bulletins.asp?ProductId=7159
for updates on this ghosting problem. All of you that have experienced this problem, I'd call them to report it.
The Jail Bars problem of my set is addressed in this section for my set, and I'll try to get the fix done described there.

Another cool thing to look through are the training manuals for these sets:
91x0d:
http://www.forceonline.com/download.asp?DownloadId=43
8420:
http://www.forceonline.com/download.asp?DownloadId=44

I've looked through the 91x0d traning manual and it shows a picture of that set with the back cabinet off. Kinda interesting.

well i'll be picking up the 8420 from sam's club later today and will give my impressions of it later tonight.

If you go to the Philips website (http://www.consumer.philips.com/consumer/catalog/catalog.jsp?activeCategory=TV_GR_US_CONSUMER&clickEventData=fh_location%3D%2F%2Fconsumer%2Fen_US%2Fcatego ries%3Ccatalog_us_consumer%2Fcategories%3C%7Btv_gr_us_consum er%7D&fhquery=fh_location%3D%2F%2Fconsumer%2Fen_US%2Fcategories%3C catalog_us_consumer%2Fcategories%3C%7Btv_gr_us_consumer%7D&fredhopperpage=index.jsp&language=en&country=US&catalogType=CONSUMER&proxybuster=N0UA1ZTXXSW5BJ0RMRCSHP3HKFSESI5P) They are showing no 16-9 CRT's. Everything is Plasma or LCD, they do have six 4-3 CRT's.
I own the 34pw9819, and I love it. I know Philips is not a favorite in the Technoelectropurist crowd, but I have a great picture.

I am going to call Philips on this but I'll ask here first: Model # 34 pw9819, Diagonal measurement across viewing screen, 34". At their website they continually refer to it as a 32"? Anyone know why that is?

My Phillips was stolen (30PW850H) and I liked the quality of the set. I am going to get another TV from Electronicsnation.com to replace it soon.

so far the tv appears to be pretty good. the only issue is that the brightness was up pretty high and i still need to play around with it to set it up properly.

if anyone has the 8420, could you tell me what the default brightness level was at? i forgot to write it down before i started playing with it

Has any one found a way to fix the halos/ghosting problems yet I took mine back and the new one has the ghosting very lightly. But since I know its there it is still annoying.

Scott

This is my second week with 9110d.

1, Ghosting problem:
Ghosting appears to be a prevalent problem on this set. However, what I found interesting is it comes and goes on my set. Every time I see the ghosting I just turn off the TV then wait few mins turn back on, the ghosting is gone. It's funny that it last until you turn it off. So people experience this ghosting please try this method see if it works. Well, even it's gone you can still see slightly ghosting if sit 3 feet away. I usually sit 5 feet away so i don't care.

2. Green bar
There is a green bar on the top of the screen in CVI input. I checked the Philips Service Web. They said it's because some chip mess up in early production sets. This is unacceptable.

3. Geometry
By adjust service menu using AVIA, you can get perfect geometry on this set.
Here is my setting:
Horizontal:
HP 7
HB 7
HSH 94
EWW 86
EWP 23
EWT 77
UCP 31
LCP 9
EWS 0
EWC 16

Vertical
VSH 67
VAM 44
VSC 39
VX 0
VSL 116
VL 16

4, Color
Some complain about the red is mess up on this set. Try the following setting. I got perfect color on my set with this setting.
Bright 44
Color 55
Picture 80
Sharp 50
Tint 0
Color Temp: Normal
Contrast+ On

Hope this help.

Does this set have a separate RF input for QAM/cable and OTA? This is very important to me and is the reason I returned the Sanyo unit. As with that unit the QAM and OTA HD tuner were on the same RF input. Thus allowing you to only scan for and tune either QAM or OTA HD, but not at the same time. A real pain. Can you scan for and tune QAM and OTA HD at the same time with the Philips?

Does this set have a separate RF input for QAM/cable and OTA? This is very important to me and is the reason I returned the Sanyo unit. As with that unit the QAM and OTA HD tuner were on the same RF input. Thus allowing you to only scan for and tune either QAM or OTA HD, but not at the same time. A real pain. Can you scan for and tune QAM and OTA HD at the same time with the Philips?

I don't think so. You have to swap between digital tuner/analog tuner to scan channel.

I can't think of any set that support dual RF input. Correct me if i wrong.

There is only one HD tuner in the TV, so you can only switch between OTA and QAM. There aren't any TVs that have dual HD tuners that I know of, so the only way to get what you want is to get either an OTA HD box or a digital cable box.

Has anyone got this remote to work with anything? Mine don't do any of my stuff
:confused:

There is only one HD tuner in the TV, so you can only switch between OTA and QAM. There aren't any TVs that have dual HD tuners that I know of, so the only way to get what you want is to get either an OTA HD box or a digital cable box.

I made a post in the Sony 34XBR forum, and confirmed with the Sony unit it is able to tune both QAM and OTA HD at once. The problem with the Sanyo and Phillips model is that the QAM and OTA HD tuner are on the same RF input all the while having two separate RF inputs. Had Sanyo and Phillips instead simply made separate inputs for cable and antenna each capable of tuning QAM and OTA HD respectively, then this wouldn't be a problem.

The issue once again is Comcast. Since here in San Jose, they don't carry 720p channels through QAM, the user is forced to get an OTA antenna for FOX and WB. Arrgggh.

Looks like I am going to go with the LG 30FZ4D which is shaping up to be a much nicer TV for not much more.

So I picked up one of these sets at Wal*Mart before I found this forum - and sure enough. I have the ghosting and some interesting horizontal lines too. So - I guess the question comes down to - is it a bad batch of sets and we can exchange it for a newer one??? Or is this a problem with all of the sets and it needs to be returned??

If anyone does not have this ghosting issue - please let us know!!

Hi,
New member here. I saw a Phillips 30PW6341 set at our Wal-Mart for $567 today. Does anyone have this set or any information about it?
Any help will be appreciated.

Its a non-HD widescreen set:
http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/3/30pw6341_37/30pw6341_37_pss_aen.pdf

I'd put an extra 80 bucks up to get the 8420 which is HD.

I have the black case philips 30pw9110d from walmart. I have taken back this set once. Still have a slight halo on one side. But last night I watched some HD on PBS and ABC (men in black 2) I notice some strangness in some shots that look striped. Its like looking at the picture with the shadow of some mini-blinds on it. I want to say just in certain colors. Has any one else seen this and is it normal. I also notice that when I turn this set off it has a colorful dot in the center. Kinda like my moms old set as a kid. any thoughts?

Scott

Hey everyone...

I saw this set (the black one) at Wal-Mart about two weeks ago and it caught my eye, and now I've stumbled onto this site for more info.

I've seen a few pros, a lot of cons. I admit I am a novice when it comes to HDTV, I know what a THX Optimizer is but that's about it.

For instance, I don't even know if one can view regular cable on an HDTV. Is it possible ? I have digital cable so a few of the channels are available in HD, but not all.

Would anyone out there recommend this set ? Is the grey set a better option ?

Thank you very much for your help.

Any new findings on the ghosting factor and quality of this tv? This set looks good, appears to have great HDTV in store, and the price is amazing. It is very tempting but I want to do it right for my first HDTV.

Any new findings on the ghosting factor and quality of this tv? This set looks good, appears to have great HDTV in store, and the price is amazing. It is very tempting but I want to do it right for my first HDTV.

I am pleased with this set. My ghosting is very little to one side. The wife and kids don't even se it. for the price I don't think you can go wrong. having the built in digital tuner is a nice plus too.

Scott

[QUOTE=Budget_HT]Native resolution usually describes the horizontal and vertical pixel counts on a fixed pixel display, like a plasma, DLP, or LCD. CRT HDTVs like this one do not really have a screen-based native resolution, but they often do convert inputs to one or two resolutions for display. For example, my RP CRT HDTV displays 1080i, 480i and 480p directly. It does not display--nor accept an input of--720p.

QUOTE]
Since there are a fixed number of phosphor dots on the CRT, doesn't that set the "native resolution"?
For example, if there are only 800 red phosphors horizontally and 600 red phosphors vertically, wouldn't the maximum - hence native - resolution be 800x600? (on a 4:3 tube, of course)

[QUOTE=Budget_HT]Native resolution usually describes the horizontal and vertical pixel counts on a fixed pixel display, like a plasma, DLP, or LCD. CRT HDTVs like this one do not really have a screen-based native resolution, but they often do convert inputs to one or two resolutions for display. For example, my RP CRT HDTV displays 1080i, 480i and 480p directly. It does not display--nor accept an input of--720p.

QUOTE]
Since there are a fixed number of phosphor dots on the CRT, doesn't that set the "native resolution"?
For example, if there are only 800 red phosphors horizontally and 600 red phosphors vertically, wouldn't the maximum - hence native - resolution be 800x600? (on a 4:3 tube, of course)

We may be into semantics here. Also, my interpretation of "native resolution" may be a bit warped.

I agree with the maximums you describe, but I think of native resolution as being synchronized between signals, electronics and display pixels. In other words, a 1920 x 1080 native resolution capability would mean that a 1920 x 1080 source signal (digital) would be processed and displayed with individual pixel-level integrity. Each individual pixel displayed is discrete, and it accurately renders the color and intensity exactly as "specified" by the input signal.

On a direct-view CRT, there are clusters of phosphor dots/slots/stripes that work together to display a single color hue for a theoretical single pixel. But that is driven by three parallel R, G & B analog color signals that vary in amplitude over time. Because of physical, magnetic and electrical adjustments available to control the placement of the electron beam(s) on the face of the display, i.e., for raster positioning and convergence, it is highly unlikely that pixel-level integrity could be maintained from source signal through to physical phosphors on the screen. This is not necessarily bad, because some pretty decent picture quality is possible in this environment. But I don't perceive the direct-view CRT and its associated signal processing and control circuits as having a native resolution. JUST my perception and opinion, no more. RPTV CRTs differ in that their individual signals are combined optically on a single point on a screen, but achieving perfect focus and convergence (comparable to a fixed-pixel display) is not economically justifiable for we consumers.

Compare the direct-view CRT scenario to the ideal purely digital signal path and fixed-pixel display, where every pixel is discrete throughout the process. How many HDTV technologiess are capable of this ideal? There are a few that seem like they could, such as flat panel and projection LCDs (where each physical pixel displays the full range of colors) and DLPs. BUT, in some cases, there are internal D/A and A/D conversions so that user and service menu controls and adjustments can be managed more simply in the analog domain. I am NOT an expert in this area, but I have read accounts of this approach in HDTVs that the consumers perceive to be "100% digital."

Now, some newer LCD displays provide separate physical "pixels" each for R, G & B, as do plasma displays. So how do we determine native resolution for these devices, in clusters of 3 (R+G+B)?

So now you have heard my low-tech perceptions and opinions on native resolution. The bottom line is really, "So what?" If it looks good, buy it and watch it. Sometimes we can get too hung up on complex specification and performance details that eventually have little bearing on the final result. For example, sometimes an accurate, pixel-perfect picture looks a bit harsh when compared to a slightly softer analog display. I have seen DLP sets where deliberate softening has been added to overcome the otherwise "gritty" picture.

So, as always, buy video displays that are pleasing to your own eyes, regardless of the 3 pages of spec's that attempt to prove that product A is technically superior to product B.

Hey guys I just bought this Philips TV from walmart. I love it so far! Although I am a total AV newbie...so take that for what it's worth.

My question: I can't for the life of me get sound out of my dvd player through the TV nor can I get my sub and speakers to make any sound. For the DVD player I'm using the s-video cable for video and Red/Black RCA's for sound. I plug the rca's from the dvd player into the AV1 output on the tv just as the directions say and I get no sound. Same if I plug my speakers into the tv...nothin. Both the dvd player and speakers worked great with my old tv..??

Do I need to setup anything from within the tv setup?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sound comes out of the TV no prob and picture is great in tv and dvd...just no dvd sound.

Thanks!!
Ryan

Dave,
I read your response with a great deal of interest but little understanding.
It would seem that there is a bit more than semantics involved in resolution matters.
If a display is limited to 800 x 600 (say) individual sets of phosphors then it simply cannot display 1080 lines in the vertical space. Whether a blurring of the original picture is pleasing or not is another matter entirely.
I see an analogy in sound reproduction. The goal in sound reproduction is basically to provide a sound that is as close as possible to the original recorded sound. Shouldn't the goal of a picture reproduction be the same?
My major concern here is that Direct View so-called HDTV's cannot possibly reproduce the full information in the HDTV signal. And yet they claim "1080".
I hope you don't consider this a confrontation. I simply don't appreciate a manufacturer telling me that I am buying an "HDTV" if it cannot produce the full resolution. If they would simply call them EDTV or some such, that would be honest and fine with me.

Still haven't purchased the set, been saving up the money.

Anyone want to give me their opinion ?

Should I buy this set, or go with something else ?

I have read all about the ghosting most are experiencing with this set, well yesterday I bought one and I am guessing the ghosting you all mean is the difference in the tint right down the middle of the screen. What I see on my set is a pink tint in about the center of the set about 1/3 of the screen. I am ready to take the set back and get my money back but being as it weighs a ton and I have to lug it down 2 flights of stairs, I am wondering if someone has a recommendation? Should I swap the set out and take my chances or does someone have another, similar set they can recommend?

Bought the set on Saturday.

Ghosting on some of the basic cable channels, but not too bad. I need to get the HD package from my cable company before I comment on HD channels.

Hooked up my PS2 to the HD CVI and it looked great...no ghosting at all.

So far I am very pleased with the television...I will keep my fingers crossed.

I am seriously considering purchasing this set, is it a good idea or a bad, will I just be forced to haul it back to walmart as soon as I see ghosting?

Just based on my experience with the TV, I'd get something else. The ghosting showed up after a week or two and was incredibly annoying. Our 2yr-old Philips HD set looked better. Even my wife noticed it, and she's not much of a PQ critic. I ended up with a Sony 30XS955 and couldn't be happier.

I am seriously considering purchasing this set, is it a good idea or a bad, will I just be forced to haul it back to walmart as soon as I see ghosting?


I had two of these sets. The first ghosted bad the second looked ok and a month later started getting worse. I took it back and bought a 27 inch rca flat hdtv for 298.00. This will do fine for now.

Scott

Does anyone have anymore updates on the ghosting issue? It looks like everyone that bought the tv have returned it. I guess I'm wondering if anything new had came up. Thanks.


I apologize for bringing up an old thread. I'm a noob when it comes to HD stuff, I saw the 9100 at BJs today and they have it for 650 and it caught my eye.

truthfully mine still looks fine. i play xbox games in hd with the hd cvi port, and watch digital TV OTA. I don't notice any ghosting or anything else.

As someone new to the hdtv scene, I thought this post might be helpful to anyone like me. I bought a Philps 30pw9100d on Monday. (I couldn't resist the price, financing, and fact that it actually fit in my 35" wide cabinet.) I did not have a hd cable box yet, but I liked the picture right away. All I had to do was change some of the picture settings, especially lowering color and brightness. There is a difference between channels. For example, even without the hd box, shows like CSI already look incredible. On the other hand, CNNs quality will vary and some lines will flicker. I'm hoping this will clear up when stations go to digital over analog. As for geometric issues, I played around with them a little and I can no longer see any problems. Again, I'm no expert, but even the banners on CNN look very straight to me.

I just picked up my hd box from cablevision, and I will be installing it before the start of NFL tonight. As a side note for cablevision customers, you can get your hd box and the hd version of any channels you subscribe to at no extra cost as long as you install the box yourself. I plan to report back after seeing some high definition stuff.

I'm hoping this might be helpful to anyone who feels like any hdtv they see that they can afford has major problems from reading posts. I promise to report back if I do run into any problems that bother even my untrained eye.

I've had this set now for three months and can honestly say I haven't seen the issues that others have posted. I have the Cablevision SA8300HD hooked with the HDMI cable, a GO Video DVD/VCR player hooked up through CV1 for DVD and AV1 for VCR, as well as the raw cable hooked to RF input for QAM channels. I have tweaked the settings using the Sound and Vision DVD as well as the INHD tune up. Picture quality is superb. This is my second tube set. The first is the RCA F38310.

I have tweaked the settings using the Sound and Vision DVD as well as the INHD tune up.

sranger3, what is the INHD tune up, and how do you access it. The only distortion I can now see is the slightest curve (up in the middle) of any banner spanning the bottom of the screen. I hooked up to the same box you have, but I'm using the component inputs right now. Also, is there a big difference between using the HDMI hook up versus the component? The picture looks incredible to me already.

I have this tv for a while now, and as far as this ghosting issue, i see it sometimes while watching DVDs or playing my PS2(particularly SOCOM 2). To alleviate this problem all i do is adjust the sharpness setting to 65-70(65 slight ghosting, 70 none). [U]This has worked well for me. My complete settings are as follows:
Brightness 35
Color 55
Picture 50
Sharpness 65-70
Tint 6
Color Temp cool
Contrast+ On

Try it, you may enjoy the outcome.

I have had the set for two months now, and still no major problems. I do see some ghosting on my local Fox channel and MTV, but other channels are fine.

I am planning a move soon and will hopefully get DirecTV HD then. I will pass along an update if I do.

I just bought this set for a myraid of reasons, first I just moved into a much smaller house up in the mountains and didn't want my TH-50PPHD7UY up on the wall out in the middle of no-where while I'm gone all day. Plus I wanted a smaller monitor/TV but still wanted a great picture. I love the picture quality on this set, it is great on DTV,HDTV and with SD inputs, and I know when I up-drade to HD Dish Net it'll be great too. It is typical of CRT HDTVs in that the picture is great. My Plasma was incredible but so is this one really and it only cost me $600.00, not $4800.00! I looked at everything in this size in CRT and it had the best picture, especially for the money. I like the fact it has 2 component analog inputs and don't care if the one dies not work if you use HDMI because HDMI looks far superior anyway. Mine is the black unit and it is great asthetically with my decor. I use my Surround sound system for everything but off air HD and SD so I don't care about inputs for audio other than for my uh...vhs player and SD DVD recorder.
I feel the people on this thread who are complaining about ghosting are having a problem with reception, are you all seeing this on SD off air or cable/sat? I get perfect signal off air from HD DTV and some SD analog channels. I do see ghosting off air on some SD analog channels as the are on my fringe area. I havn't been in long enough to get my HD Dish network installed so Ill let you guys know how that looks later!

The INHD Tune Up is being shown on Sat at 7:00 AM. Set the DVR to record and keep it so you can use it whenever you want. The HDMI cable was $20.00 including shipping from Better Cables one of the sponsors. Picture seems slightly crisper and channel changing faster using the cable.

I looked at the 30pw9110d at walmart this evening and liked its overall look and pic.
but I do have some questions before I buy it tomorrow.
how does the stretch modes work on this tv for SD and HD over OTA?
currently, I have a dish DVr-522 and will be connecting this through S-video to the philips.
I'll be using one of the components for a dvd player.
as for HD, i'm just about 2.5 miles of the towers, so will be using just basic rabbit ears.
how will this tv work with my components?
I'm sure I'm going to watch SD stretched all the time, does the philips have good stretch modes as the panny?
any other info would be appreciated.
any new models coming out from LG or panny as far as 30' widescreens?
gracias

Thanks for the link on BB.. It seems like a pretty good price considering the features, etc.. I guess it's a toss up whether it's worth spending more on a more reputable brand or going with a Philips.. :rolleyes:

One question though.. how are the built-in atsc tuners in tv's compared to OTA receivers like the samsung t351/t451? Do some pick up channels better than others, and do the better brands like sony have better built-in ATSC tuners? I have a samsung t351 currently and love it. The only HD I currently watch and probably for the next yr or so till many more channels roll out on DTV is OTA, so a non-flaky tuner is important. Thanks.

Philips is a reputable brand

How much are they selling for in Walmart? I will have to look or call around tomorrow and see if they are in stock yet. We have 2 super Walmarts in my area. I have noticed however that Sams Club has the Philips 30PW8420 in stock for $598.00.

The Wal-Mart in my area has the 30pw9110d for $668...BUT, I was in there today and noticed all three they had in stock were mis-lebeled at $638 (the stickers were for the 8420). The manager agreed to let me have the 9110D for $638 (then promptly removed the incorrect stickers from the other two sets.) :)

I recently purchased the Sony KD-34XBR960 (great set!) for the living room, and noticed the old 28" that I moved to the bedroom was beginning to fade and get washed out colors (it's almost 12 years old...) So, I was all set to get the Samsung TXR2678WH 26" at Best Buy for $619, but thought I'd at least *look* at the Philips 30". Since I was able to get it for $19 more than the 26" Samsung, I pulled the trigger. This set will get occasional use, usually just before falling asleep...otherwise I would have sprung for the 30" XBR.

Anyway, looks like a good set for $638. We'll see once it's all dialed in...

91x0d:
http://www.forceonline.com/download.asp?DownloadId=54

I'd also keep an eye on this:
http://www.forceonline.com/products/bulletins.asp?ProductId=7159

Another cool thing to look through are the training manuals for these sets:
91x0d:
http://www.forceonline.com/download.asp?DownloadId=43


Can anyone post these documents? The links don't work, and the main forceonline site looks like a business portal with login required...

Can anyone post these documents? The links don't work, and the main forceonline site looks like a business portal with login required...

Philips changed their site around so that you now have to be a business to have a login to their site. Unfortunately, I don't have these files saved anywhere.

Philips changed their site around so that you now have to be a business to have a login to their site. Unfortunately, I don't have these files saved anywhere.

Thanks, but it doesn't matter any more. The set is going back today, and will be replaced with the Samsung 26"...even though I'll be losing 4 inches diag., the PQ is soooo much better.

The Philips looked OK when viewing HD content, but absolutely HORRIBLE on SD. (The DirecTV box in the bedroom only has S-Video out.) I can hook S-Video up to the 12 year old 4:3 set and it looks great. I can hook S-Video up to my new Sony XBR960, and it looks good. I hook S-Video up to the Philips, and it's not just bad, it's 100% unwatchable. Severe ghosting, banding, and overall just so fuzzy and out of focus. It's very possible I have a set with a defective S-Video input, but I'm not going to try my luck with an exchange. I took a chance on this set, despite mixed reviews, because 1) I could get it for $20 more than the 26" Samsung, and 2) it's just for the bedroom, so won't be used much. But, since SD is not in any way, shape, or form watchable, it's going back.

For the record: DVD quality, using component cables, was just OK. I fully expected it to have less PQ than the XBR960, but I was expecting somewhere in the range of 20-30% less. Instead, it's a full 50-60% less.

Honestly, my 12 year old 4:3 set that's starting to fade and lose color, looks 100% better than this Philips.

Thanks, but it doesn't matter any more. The set is going back today, and will be replaced with the Samsung 26"...even though I'll be losing 4 inches diag., the PQ is soooo much better.

The Philips looked OK when viewing HD content, but absolutely HORRIBLE on SD. (The DirecTV box in the bedroom only has S-Video out.) I can hook S-Video up to the 12 year old 4:3 set and it looks great. I can hook S-Video up to my new Sony XBR960, and it looks good. I hook S-Video up to the Philips, and it's not just bad, it's 100% unwatchable. Severe ghosting, banding, and overall just so fuzzy and out of focus. It's very possible I have a set with a defective S-Video input, but I'm not going to try my luck with an exchange. I took a chance on this set, despite mixed reviews, because 1) I could get it for $20 more than the 26" Samsung, and 2) it's just for the bedroom, so won't be used much. But, since SD is not in any way, shape, or form watchable, it's going back.

For the record: DVD quality, using component cables, was just OK. I fully expected it to have less PQ than the XBR960, but I was expecting somewhere in the range of 20-30% less. Instead, it's a full 50-60% less.

Honestly, my 12 year old 4:3 set that's starting to fade and lose color, looks 100% better than this Philips.

I'm a previous owner of 9110d, it's not as bad as you experienced.
Despite the ghosting, everything else is fine. barely equal to Sony KV-30HS420.

Plus, 9110d doesn't have Sony stupid fix "full" mode problem

Despite the ghosting, everything else is fine.

I'm not sure I understand that statement :confused:

It's precisely the ghosting (for me) that makes it not just bad, but completely unwatchable. It would be like saying, about a new car, "Despite the fact that it won't start, everything else is fine." Unless, of course, I'm misunderstanding your meaning...

The INHD Tune Up is being shown on Sat at 7:00 AM. Set the DVR to record and keep it so you can use it whenever you want. The HDMI cable was $20.00 including shipping from Better Cables one of the sponsors. Picture seems slightly crisper and channel changing faster using the cable.

Thanks.

30PW9110D/37

The AV1 component inputs are not capable of carrying HD.

I jumped in on this one way too late. lol.

The manual describes the nudge control as being able to move a 16x9 picture up and down vertically using the cursor up/down buttons. It is described as being useful for 2.35:1 letterboxed movies that do not fill the entire screen vertically. Since there would be black borders above and below a 2.35:1 picture anyway, I'm not clear on what the benefit would be.has this been answered yet? if not...its for movies with Sub-Titles...getting all the black on the bottom make Sub-T movies better.

Philips' service website is down. Does anybody has the service manual that was available there for PW309110D?
My email is duchski at yahoo....


Thank you

After moving to a house I had the chance to get Dish Network and their HD Receiver over the weekend.

I am not an expert by any means, but in my opinion, the HD channels look great.

One word of caution though...don't think of buying a DVI-HDMI conversion cable to hook up your Dish Network receiver and this set. You will be unable to get any sound.

Well, I really like the picture of the Philips TV's but this site has made me gun shy. I honestly feel that Philips Tv's have a nicer picture than the Sonys. There's something about Sonys that I don't like.

I may take the plunge hoping that I will be getting a later model that has addressed the current problems.

I know this is the time of the year when newer sets will be coming out and I wonder if Philips will come out with a better model or get out of the CRT market all together.

I need a TV soon because my 32 inch Sony is blinking like Hugh Grant.

Well, I really like the picture of the Philips TV's but this site has made me gun shy. I honestly feel that Philips Tv's have a nicer picture than the Sonys. There's something about Sonys that I don't like.

I may take the plunge hoping that I will be getting a later model that has addressed the current problems.

I know this is the time of the year when newer sets will be coming out and I wonder if Philips will come out with a better model or get out of the CRT market all together.

I need a TV soon because my 32 inch Sony is blinking like Hugh Grant.
To me there is something unique and special about the Philips picture, though I can't pin down exactly what it is (maybe because it looks film-like, not digital). Every TV I have owned has been Philips, and every TV that I own in the future will be also.

To me there is something unique and special about the Philips picture, though I can't pin down exactly what it is (maybe because it looks film-like, not digital). Every TV I have owned has been Philips, and every TV that I own in the future will be also.

I agree. There's something glossy about the Philips picture that appeals to me. Sonys seem too overly sharp and dull.

To me there is something unique and special about the Philips picture, though I can't pin down exactly what it is (maybe because it looks film-like, not digital). Every TV I have owned has been Philips, and every TV that I own in the future will be also.


I also share the sentiment and it dates do 6-7 years ago when I discovered that Philips TVs and DVD players are in fact multisystem (I watch a lot of PAL DVD programming) w/o mention in the specs and more importatly without an extra charge for this feature...
There is also this incredible ease of making Philips DVD players region free...
Kudos to Philips. Unfortunately, in the same time they have poor quality control and even worse customer service...

Well, I still like Philips even those most consumers in the US are not fully aware of the brand, which in Europe is perceived as one of the most established and respectable... Based on a little effort to chane that I can't help but think that for some reason Philips does not take the US market seriously.

Does anyone know how the fix the ghosting problem?

This TV is overall ok but using HD CVI there is a green ghost that is really annoying....

Anyone have a copy of the service manual to show how to use the service menu?

Thanks,

Does anyone know how the fix the ghosting problem?

This TV is overall ok but using HD CVI there is a green ghost that is really annoying....

Anyone have a copy of the service manual to show how to use the service menu?

Thanks,


Me, too. Anyone, copy of the service manual, please....

Need HELP!

Can anyone please post default values from the options page of the SAM (30PW91000D)?

Thank you so much in advance

question... because the only audio output from this tv is digital (via coax audio), will it only output sound to a stereo / SS receiver if its currently using the HDMI or HD CVI "channel" on the tv? or will it output to the receiver even if an analog mode, such as the non-HD CVI.

also, will it output to the receiver if just watching tv using the digital tuner?

thanks

question... because the only audio output from this tv is digital (via coax audio), will it only output sound to a stereo / SS receiver if its currently using the HDMI or HD CVI "channel" on the tv? or will it output to the receiver even if an analog mode, such as the non-HD CVI.

also, will it output to the receiver if just watching tv using the digital tuner?

thanks


1. Not true. TV has analog (2x RCA out) too
2. The digital out is SPDIF. It can output both compressed (AC-3) and non-compressed signal based on preferences in the menu and availability of particular type of signal in the tansport stream. (broadcast)
3. It can be turned on/off indepedently from HDMI

thanks.

where are the rca outs than? i don't see them. maybe i'm looking too hard :)

I just bought the Philips pw9110 and so far so good. I haven't gotten an antenna for the OTA HD channels yet, but the picture through a dvd player, vcr and regular cable has been fine (no ghosting). I am having problems getting the PIP to work though. The window pops up but I can't get any source to show there. Anyone else having that problem?

JD