This is the first week that the new 2005 HLRxx67W Samsung 720p DLP HDTVs are arriving. It is time to start an owners thread to focus on the HLRxx67W models. Please post your impressions of these new sets, pictures of your setup, tweaks, problems, and ideas about these great HDTVs.



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[Note: After the 1080p models are introduced in June a separate owners thread will be setup to focus on the Samsung 1080p models. For general information about both the 720p and 1080p models check out the 2005 Samsung DLP HDTV Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4954868#post4954868)]

(This is a compilation of my previous posts in other threads. I will now try and only post here on the new offical thread)

MY TV arrived about 3 hours ago. As this is my first DLP, HDTV or even larger than 27inch TV, I will not try and make too many comments

As requested here is a picture

HLR5067w on coffee table (http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php?photo=14490&size=big&sort=1&cat=503 )

My setup for now:
Digital cable via Tivo via coax on antenna input
Direct cable via coax via tuner input
Progressive scan cheap DVD via component inputs
I don't own a PS2 or any other console, so I can’t test for you
HD Cable DVR arrives this week. TR46x3 stand arrives this week. Getting new composite cables for DVD this week. However, see below for HD comments

1) TV Guide setup comes on as soon as you turn the TV on. For me it makes little sense to use as I watch everything through a standalone Tivo, which controls my cable box changing. However I did set it up. You can setup the guide via a direct connection without a box as per the instructions. The directions say it D/L data when the TV is off...which it hasn't been yet. (Update; nothing came down last night, I have to see what I did wrong)

2) The 50 sits flush...no pedastal or extra feet

3) I currently have it on my Coffee table. Samsung TR46x3 is due to arrive Tuesday. Note: As I said in a previous post, that stand is only 17.8 inches deep and works with the 46,50 & 56.
Review:

The Good:
I have not seen any rainbow effect at all. However, I didn't see them on the HLN model either at a friends house

I now have the PC display working perfectly at 1280x720. I played a few games OK, although Act Of War did not want to play. i will try additional setting for AOW tomorrow

I do not hear the fan at all

When pressing the source button on the remote, only connected sources are selected. Any source that is not used, is skipped

The Bad:

You can not turn DNIe off. There is a DNIe demo setting, that just splits the picture in half to show you what DNIe does for you. Half the screen has it off and half on with labels on each side. however, this setting is more of a setting to sell the box and has no use at home. They even have a DNIe demo button on the remote, again of no use for home use. These type of things really bug me. Some have asked if DNIe only works on certain inputs. As, there is nowhere to change it in setup, I will never know which setup it works on. Please note: DNR can be turned on and off.

The side inputs do not have a cover on them and are exposed at all times. I think for those who use the side inputs, this is a good thing. For those that don't, a cover would be nice.

The picture size button is not on the main part of the remote, it is behind the little slide cover. I am not sure if I like it here

Yu can not swap PIP directly from the remote, nor can you change the pip size,placement or layout. All these settings have to be done from the menus. You can turn PIP on/off and change chanels of PIP from the remote (channels are changed via the secondary channel buttons under the remote slider)

The Ugly:

Nothing, especially not the picture.

The picture is great, even the SD stuff. I don't have access to HD content yet (Comcast arrives Friday), so I can only expect it to get better. I did have an early problem with my TIVO picture, but that was due to crumby cables. I now have Tivo comming in via the coax antenna in, and even that is great. As for DVDs, even without component cables, the picture is great. I can't wait to get the new cables tomorrow.
Update: Due to the built in tuner, when you connect cable directly to the TV you can see the unscrambled HD channels on the digital channels (110-2, etc). The HD picture is great. I have only watched some PBS HD stuff as the networks didn’t have any HD stuff last night when I finally got it setup.

richost or any other 67 owner ... could you please check the following DNIe question for me:

Just a thought on DNIe ... is it supported on all inputs? One reason that you may not be able to turn it off is that it may not be operating on that input. Check other inputs (HDMI, component, etc.). Let us know if DNIe is working on all inputs. I seem to recall that DNIe was not available on all inputs in prior model years.

Originally posted by UCSB
richost or any other 67 owner ... could you please check the following DNIe question for me:

Just a thought on DNIe ... is it supported on all inputs? One reason that you may not be able to turn it off is that it may not be operating on that input. Check other inputs (HDMI, component, etc.). Let us know if DNIe is working on all inputs. I seem to recall that DNIe was not available on all inputs in prior model years.

I don't have all the connections to test for you, however, I don't think that will make a differerence. When you go into setup, items you can't select are gayed out. There is no where on the menu to turn off DNIe or set it in any way, including the greyed out options. Now the picture has all the dynmaic, standard, movie and custom settings. You also have all kinds of color control. DNR can be turned on/off. Film mode can be turend on/off. So I trully think you can get any picture you want in the end.

This may be off topic and I don't want to be a total newbie or Lune, but something strange is happening.

I ran the automated channel setup for my directly connected cable input. cable is connected to the tuner....NO CABLE BOX.

I get all the normal channels and the digital channels (ie 110-2)

I then decided to try and see what wa son each channel

Here is what I seein the digital ragnge (#-#):

-Multiple SD channels
-Multiple HD channels (Networks, ESPN, Public TV)
-SD Channels for some premiums (Showtime, Max Action, etc)
Note: i don't subscribe to any premium channels

-Some channels that come and go meaning if i go to 84-3, I may get a picture or may not and instead get the std weak signal or scrambled channel Samsung message,
Whats even stranger, I sometimes see a movie in reverse or fast forward, as if I am getting someone esles on-demand feed.


Is this normal for HD Tunners?

Originally posted by richost
This may be off topic and I don't want to be a total newbie or Lune, but something strange is happening.

I ran the automated channel setup for my directly connected cable input. cable is connected to the tuner....NO CABLE BOX.

I get all the normal channels and the digital channels (ie 110-2)

I then decided to try and see what wa son each channel

Here is what I seein the digital ragnge (#-#):

-Multiple SD channels
-Multiple HD channels (Networks, ESPN, Public TV)
-SD Channels for some premiums (Showtime, Max Action, etc)
Note: i don't subscribe to any premium channels

-Some channels that come and go meaning if i go to 84-3, I may get a picture or may not and instead get the std weak signal or scrambled channel Samsung message,
Whats even stranger, I sometimes see a movie in reverse or fast forward, as if I am getting someone esles on-demand feed.


Is this normal for HD Tunners?




Yes, this all sounds perfectly normal. What was your question?

These DLP's are gonna hit stores later this month for sure or is that a rumor?And do you guys think Sears will get them?

UCSB,

The picture you have above is, I belive, of the 5668w model - is it not?

Originally posted by Ed Weinman
UCSB,

The picture you have above is, I belive, of the 5668w model - is it not?

oops! I've replaced it with a genuine HLRxx67W series picture. Actually, we only have two 67 series pictures in the HiRes gallery. So we need some photographically inclined owners to take a few nice shots. Of course the photos will become less important when we can just go down and look at the new sets and form our own opinions.

Here are a few open questions that we have about these new sets ... any insights by owners would be appreciated.

1. Do the remote control IR discrete codes work for ALL inputs?

2. What is the capability of the sets to handle computer/video gaming? Specifically, what is lag?

3. Are lip sync issues completely eliminated?

I have had my HLR6167w for 5 days now and I must say that this is an incredible t.v. I finded tuned it using Avia. The picture is incredible.

This t.v. replced a Hitachi 57inch crt director series which had a great picture.

I must say this Samsung beats it hands down. I watched the Durby in HD this week and never enjoyed a horse race so much. Just got through watching The Incredibles DVD and is was Incredible.

Black are super black.

On a scale or 1-10 I would give it a 9.0 because of the cheap plastic and the occasional rainbow but it's not a big deal.

To answer UCSB questions.

1. Not sure what you mean.
2. I played madden 2005 and my friend kicked field goals perfect. I was having a little bit of problems but think is was just because I was looking for something that was not there.
3. Have not seen one Lip sync problem at all.

This tv is truley amazing. Fantastic color.

One bad thing is the remote is not very good.

Originally posted by AkaStp
Hey UCSB, it would be easier and less confusing if the other new HLR thread (here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=536582) could be merged into this thread so all the info is in one place. Are you a Mod? Can you do it?

richost, the cable channels you are seeing are normal. Do you or cjlawson have any feedback on the TV Guide yet?

Sorry, I can't merge them ... I'm just a regular member. But, there haven't been many post in the other thread yet ... perhaps someone could post a link there to this thread and ask further posts to shift over here.

Originally posted by cjlawson
To answer UCSB questions.

1. Not sure what you mean.
2. I played madden 2005 and my friend kicked field goals perfect. I was having a little bit of problems but think is was just because I was looking for something that was not there.
3. Have not seen one Lip sync problem at all.

This tv is truley amazing. Fantastic color.

One bad thing is the remote is not very good.

Item #1 refers to the ability to enter a single code in a remote control to switch to a specific input. This allows people to have a macro that say starts their DVD player and switches the TV input to HDMI. There were some reported problems with the discrete codes in the HLP series. This question is just to confirm that they have all been fixed. When people start programming their custom remotes this will be obvious quickly.

anyone tried running a DVI to HDMI cable with an HTPC?? does this work at 1280x720?? basically this is the only question i want to make sure works before i take the plunge myself...

As of Monday morning I still have no TV Guide data. I have no idea why it isn't working. I setup the system (entered zipcode and said cable was connected directly to TV) and i autoprogrammed my channels as requested in the instructions. TV was off for 6 hrs each night straight plus the odd 2 hours here and there.

I will be on a business trip most of the wee, so testing wll only be done by the wife.



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On the cable channel/internal receiver thing from a few posts ago: I fnd it amazing that I see other peoples On-Demand purchases. I watched cat wowmen last night for free and an old episode of the sorpranos. For some reason I feel like a voyeur.

There seem to be contradictory reports about DNIe. On the "Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV" thread (page 144), cjlawson said that DNIe was off by default on his HLR6167. In this thread, though, richost says that you can't turn DNIe off on the 5067.

I'm guessing richost is right, and cjlawson was just mistaken, but it would be nice to settle this question definitively...

Right now the 5067W is $200 cheaper than the 4667W. Is there something wrong with them or just a market fluke (prices from CNET.com)?

Originally posted by grinwell
Right now the 5067W is $200 cheaper than the 4667W. Is there something wrong with them or just a market fluke (prices from CNET.com)?

You need to look at the model numbers carefully. 5067W isn't unique because last years 50" was HLP5067W and this years is HLR5067W. I know that the HLP units are being heavily discounted.

Originally posted by rictus
There seem to be contradictory reports about DNIe. On the "Samsung 2005 DLP HDTV" thread (page 144), cjlawson said that DNIe was off by default on his HLR6167. In this thread, though, richost says that you can't turn DNIe off on the 5067.

I'm guessing richost is right, and cjlawson was just mistaken, but it would be nice to settle this question definitively...

I think that the best way to resolve this is for owners to report results from the setup menu BY INPUT. This means that we need to check the HDMI, both component, and s-video inputs separately. Someone using both the HDMI and component inputs could post photos of the setup menu on each input and then we would have a solid idea because these are the highest priority inputs. If DNIe could not be turned on/off on a given input we then would need to determine whether it was on or off on that input.

I'm guessing richost is right, and cjlawson was just mistaken, but it would be nice to settle this question definitively...

Richost was wrong DNIe is turned off by default. I leave it off.

Item #1 refers to the ability to enter a single code in a remote control to switch to a specific input. This allows people to have a macro that say starts their DVD player and switches the TV input to HDMI.

My last tv was a Hitachi Director Series that had buttons which would allow me to go directly to any input. I do not see any buttons on this t.v.'s remote like that. I have a Sigma LCD remote that had macros programed to do what your are talking about UCSB with my old tv.

There are no remote codes in the instruction manual for my Scientific Atlantic HD DVR box. The remote can't even control an audio receiver.

I do not use the t.v. guide feature.

Last night was the first time I watched some SD t.v. and I must say I was impressed much better then my Hitachi.

I finally saw one of the new 67 series at Magnolia this weekend. This was the HLR4667W, playing an HD feed with the DNIe demo on. I was excited to finally see one of the new models, though they didn't have the 56" that I want. I really liked the look of the new shell with the floating screen, speakers on the bottom, etc. However I noticed something about the picture quality that I did not expect, which the sales guy also pointed out when comparing side by side with the now older 63 series. The 67 series screen itself has kind of a grainy look to it (for lack of a better term), caused by the slightly rough surface of the screen glass. This seems to cause images with a lighter background to appear sort of with a very fine grain. The 63 series on the other hand has a smooth glass and the picture looks more "normal". I'm not sure whether I liked this on the 67 or not, whether this is normal, and if this would look any different on the 56". I only had about 5 minutes to look at it. I kind of thought maybe Samsung has used this new screen to give the film-like and smooth picture they advertise, but it just seemed odd. Anyone else noticed this? What do you think about it?

Originally posted by cjlawson

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I'm guessing richost is right, and cjlawson was just mistaken, but it would be nice to settle this question definitively...
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Richost was wrong DNIe is turned off by default. I leave it off.





This is getting to be a he said he said type argument. Unfortunately, I will be away from my TV until Friday. I could have the wife do some tests, but I am sure she won't take pictures. As I posted in another thread, I stand by my statement in that DNIe can't be turned off. Only the Demo can be turned on/off.

Look at page 54 of the manual which can be downloaded: DNIe Demo defaults to off. There is no choice on the menu to turn it on from what I have found. However, if anyone finds I missed something, please let me know. I do not claim to always be right.

UCSB has asked if it can be turned on/off for other inputs. Again, I don't think this is possible as there is no choice. If there was, it would be grayed out when on specific inputs that don't support it.. An example of this is the 'PC' menu choice in setup. You can not select this if you are using any input except PC, however, you always see the choice as grayed out.

I subtract my statement earlier it looks like you can only turn the demo on or off. Which is wired. This would leave to beleive that it is always on. Sorry about the mistake.

Originally posted by jandrade
The 67 series screen itself has kind of a grainy look to it (for lack of a better term), caused by the slightly rough surface of the screen glass. If so, I may actually like that. My set will be going in a very bright ambient lit room during the day and glare is a problem with CRT sets. If this was done to eliminate glare, I may be even happier.

Cjlawson: honest mistake

Who would have thought that they would put a button on the remote, add a page to the manual, add a setting to the setup and even have this elaborate split screen demo display just to help BB & CC sell more TVs. I have always hated these things. How much time went into the demo that could have been spent on other features.

The DNIe demo button on the remote will never be used in my house. OK, at least it's below the sliding cover, but I would have preferred a PIP swap button instead. Or a button to cycle through the available PIP layouts.

Then ad to it, all the logos on the lower right of the screen. I guess when I have company, I will have to explain what each logo means and why they are so unlucky not to have a TV with a TV Guide System, DNIe, DTS and every other feature that needs a logo.

Yes I had some friends ask me about all the logos on the screen too.

It's been just more than a week that I got my HLR4677 TV and I am enjoying it.

The Hollywood movies are awesome on a upconverted DVD player(Samsung 850) set in 720p or 1080i mode with HDMI(Monister cable). Even without an upconverted player, my old sony 480i dvd player with s-video seems to show better picture. So I wonder how far the fancy upconverter are helping this tv and if its really worth to spend the extra 300.

One thing I am disappointed with the SD tv (dish network) is that we need
to see it in 4:3 mode instead of 16:9 to get a better look at people (16:9 mode makes them look shrter and fat). So when i set it, to 4:3 the PQ is better but when comparing the PQ, colors and face details with my sony TV
(connected to A/v frm the dish settop box) and watching the same scene
simultaneusly on both samsung DLP set and the sony Tv, I felt the CRT
picture quality, colors, face details, the low light details on faces, objects are
far superior to the DLP's PQ.


When comparing HLR4677 with my 6 yrs old Sony Trinitron 32" Tv, I felt
the SD picture quality with upconverted DVD player on HLR), colors, contrast(whites and blacks) ], shadows details are much much better (I think i see that plasma and lcd with 1080
resulution have this kind of similar good PQ like normal CRT displays)
and I am really hesitating whether the DLPs can ever come to that
stage of showing the whites whiter(and not little grey) and the blacks and
shadows and details much better. I am not able to compromise on my
HLR4667. When I compare both side by side, I see that no matter what adjustments I make (i have used both DVE and Avia), i cannot get the finer details on faces, the light brightness on the objects and faces on the HLR,
but my Sony 32" Tv rocks in showing this details properly.


I have'nt tried the HDTV source yet. I hope the new HLR4667 (which is
supposed to have 2500 contrast ratio cmpared to 2000 CR n HLR4677) would
show better picture quality and finer and deeper blacks and deeper details on
dark scenes. I am ready to exchange my set to 4667 soon, hopefully,
the stores(CC, BB, GG) will carry them by next week.

I am waiting for the new owners of HLR4667/HLR5067 sets to comment on
the PQ, whether the new 67 series is giving deeper blacks, whites, details
on faces, objects, finer details on darker scenes etc of HLR4667 HD4 DLP
chip based TVs. This limitation of DLPs
is what making me to think wait for until the next eay when sets with even better PQ and cntrast ratio (>5000) might come or I might have to live with
the bad PQ on SDs and some DVDs on this HLR 67/77 series.

Is the PQ on HD4 based TV now better than HD3?
How is it compared to HD2+ chip based Tv's?

My HL-R5067 will be delivered Thursday morning. TWC will be out Thursday afternoon to set me up with the HD programming. I can not wait!!

I have a question about the DNIe feature. I don't want to get into the argument about whether it defaults to on or off or if you can turn it on or off. My question is: if this is a feature that Samsung put into the TV to give it a better picture, why would you want to turn it off? What would you gain by turning it off?

Thank you
Mark

Originally posted by mshap
why would you want to turn it off? What would you gain by turning it off?
According to Samsung, DNIeTM (Digital Natural Image engine) This feature bring you more detailed image with 3D noise reduction, detail enhancement, contrast enhancement and white enhancement. New image compensation algorithm gives a brighter, clearer, much detailed image to you. DNIeTM technology will fit every signals into your eyes.

This processing is done after the fact, in the set itself. Some people disagree with Samsung and feel it degrades the picture in certain conditions. One would have thought that if Samsung went to the trouble of creating a split screen comparison mode, they would have made it possible to disable the DNIe processing for the few people it bothers.

If they went with a non- or low-glare glass, that will soften the picture (and the colors) a little bit more. A trade-off that many people are willing to make to get rid of all of that glare off of a smooth glass screen.

According to Samsung,

... DNIeTM technology will fit every signals into your eyes.

Yeah, I gotta get me some of those signals in my eyes!

Originally posted by thommy
Yeah, I gotta get me some of those signals in my eyes! <grin> Well, it was copied from a pre-release version of the owners manual. I suppose you have to cut them a little slack...

Absolutely no fan noise at all.

I have not seen any smudges or rainbows. As to the comments on a grainy picture due to a rough screen, I am not sure if I would consider the picture grainy. This may be one of those issues that you only notice if you put the TV side by side with another TV, something I probably won't do in my living room.

Other Info:
I am sure this will also be asked when people start getting their TVs. When you turn on the TV, the screen defaults to the TV Guide grid. You need to press the Tv Guide button to see the regular picture. I checked setup and could not turn off this default setting and was a bit concerned as that would require me to possibly always use two remotes. However, i did find that you can turn this setting off from the TV Guide screen itself. Setting for the TV Guide ption are controlled from it's own menus and not from the std menu.

New News: My TR46x3 stand arrived yesterday. Gotta love Amazon and UPS. Ordered the stand on Friday, and it arrives on Monday. I selected the free super saver shipping that promissed 5-9 days, and I got it in 3 days including the weekend. Expect pictures of an 'official' setup on Friday. when I get back home.

awesome! Can't wait to see some pictures Richost. I still need to find a stand that will hold my 17" deep receiver. I dont think the TR46x3 will

Richost,

Do you have a surround system hooked up? Any lip sync problems?

I have a surround sound on my HLR-6167w and haven't noticed any audio lag at all.

Good to hear! I can't wait to see one of these in person. Tweeter is supposed to have them in the store later this week - only the 46 though, I think.

hopefully by the end of the week, I can join this thread as an official owner of a HLR5667. At that point, I'll be able to test out the lag issue first hand and report back.

I too am waiting for my 5667, I previously had a pre-order in with TVA but with doing some searching I found a lower price with another dealer on th both the box and the stand. I am very, very excited to get the TV. This waiting is killing me!

Originally posted by mwilli
I too am waiting for my 5667, I previously had a pre-order in with TVA but with doing some searching I found a lower price with another dealer on th both the box and the stand. I am very, very excited to get the TV. This waiting is killing me!

hi mwilli, just sent you a pm. thanks.

Got it and returned to you.

Anyone else have a HLR4667? I am looking for some reviews or feedback.

TIA.

Originally posted by cjlawson
I have a surround sound on my HLR-6167w and haven't noticed any audio lag at all.

Try this experiment for us - take the audio output from your DVD player and send the digital part to your receiver and the analog part to your TV. Then see if there's any echo. That's probably the easiest way to test for lag.

I just got my HLR5067 today. The set was delivered at 11:00. At 1:00, Time Warner showed up to install the HD-DVR. I requested the 8300, but the cable guy arrived with the 8000.

The picture is outstanding right out of the box. I used the THX Optimizer from the Star Wars DVD. I made a couple of minor adjustments. It looked pretty right on to me. However, I am not a pro. I still need to read the manual to learn how all of the gadgets and settings work.

I have the cable box connected to the TV using a DVI -> HDMI cable. The audio is connected to my receiver through a digital optical cable. On the analog cable channes, I did notice a lip sync issue. I did not notice it when watching an HD or digital channel.

This set really looks great. I will try to post some pictures of my setup as soon as I can. It will probably be early next week.

Mark

Curious to hear more response when these TV start getting out. Especially sense the 1080s are coming. I bet a bunch of people are holding off on the xx67

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MSHAP did you notice the lip sync issue on analog coming from the stereo (receiver) speakers or the tv speakers or both???

anyone else ? i have dish HD dvr box 942. anyone else with dish and a 67 series notice lip synce problems????

Okay...I posted yesterday in the 2 other threads about the HLR series that there were some audio synch issues with this television.

Here's the skinny:

I watched several show's last night (in HD), and didn't have the synch issue...it seem's that I was having the synch issue only on those same HD channels with SD content. I don't think that really matters (whether or not it is SD/HD on an HD channel), but I could be wrong. They're still outputing the channel in HD, right? I'll be checking this again today, as I only got it yesterday at lunch time.

The colors are beautiful, I haven't done any adjustments at all, until some of you guru's give me a good starting point. I'm working on an OTA antenna, but that may take the weekend to get that done. My wife hasn't really let me start "playing" with the TV too much. She had to see her CSI in HD...it's been 2 months for gosh sake!!!

If there is anything you guys would like me to do, or information, let me know...I'm going to be goofing with it all weekend, and watching the forum.

chow for now,
Michael

Madjimi - I have not tried to connect the audio out from the cable box to the TV yet. So far, it is only going through the stereo. I am in the middle of moving, so I didn't get a chance to experiment much. I will have more time to play with it Sunday or Monday and I will post my results.

What stand is everyone here using for a 5067?

I kinda like this one from IKEA: http://www.ikea.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10101&storeId=12&productId=11146&langId=-1&parentCats=10104*10174

and I like this one from Circuit City: http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Nea-Moda-Wide-TV-Stand-220337-/sem/rpsm/oid/110765/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

Basically I want something to hold a 50" tv (46.5" wide) and my satellite speakers that are each 3" wide. Any suggestions? This is really the only thing holding me back from getting a 5067, oh and seeing it in person too. haha

mnelsonii

On your cable box go to the settings menu and look up the setting digital out and make sure it is set to dolby digital. When I first got my HLR-6167w there was a audio delay and when I change the digital out from HDMI to Dolby Digital it fixed the problem. I think it is your cable box. As I have not noticed any lag or lip synch problems on this tv.

QESTION: Has anyone compared the PQ of cable TV between the built in tuner and a cable company supplied set-top-box? I had hoped that the Samsung would be able to produce a better picture. Please specify what STB you used for your test. I have a Motorola HD-DVR model 6412 and would be interested in hearing if anyone has tried this with any of the Motorola 6000 class STB's and DVR's.

Do we know if the TV's own speakers can be used as a center channel in 5.1 surround sound?

Whoo-hoo my 5667w has finally shipped it should be at my house 1 week from today, I cannot wait to give my impressions. Had the HD setup by Directv yesterday.

Originally posted by uiucsb
Do we know if the TV's own speakers can be used as a center channel in 5.1 surround sound?

Why would you want to use the TV's speakers for center channel? Hopefully your audio system has much better speakers than the TV and using the
TV's speakers would badly degrade the critical center channel material. Lew

Hello, could a 5067 owner please get out their tape measure and tell me the exact width and height (inchs) of the screen display?

Much appreciated.

I have almost decided on the HLR6167, but am concerned about ventilation needs for the TV. Let me try to describe where the TV will go. I have built a cavity into a wall in my theater room downstairs that I am finishing. The cavity has an outside opening of 63"W x 28"D x 41.75"H. However, the way I have it framed, the inside "ceiling" of the cavity is 48" tall after the first 5 inches. (measuring in from the front)

The dimensions for the TV are: HL-R6167W 56.9 x 18.4 x 41.6.

My plan would be to tilt the TV slightly to get it into the cavity, then set it upright just past the 5" mark where the ceiling is higher. That gives me 3 inches on a side and 6 inches above the tv, and an extra 5 inches behind it.

My concern is how much heat is generated by the TV and if it will dissipate okay in the confined area.

I can drop down to a 56" model, but I really want the 61".

Any thoughts on this?

Originally posted by gargoyle007
I have almost decided on the HLR6167, but am concerned about ventilation needs for the TV. Let me try to describe where the TV will go. I have built a cavity into a wall in my theater room downstairs that I am finishing. The cavity has an outside opening of 63"W x 28"D x 41.75"H. However, the way I have it framed, the inside "ceiling" of the cavity is 48" tall after the first 5 inches. (measuring in from the front)

The dimensions for the TV are: HL-R6167W 56.9 x 18.4 x 41.6.

My plan would be to tilt the TV slightly to get it into the cavity, then set it upright just past the 5" mark where the ceiling is higher. That gives me 3 inches on a side and 6 inches above the tv, and an extra 5 inches behind it.

My concern is how much heat is generated by the TV and if it will dissipate okay in the confined area.

I can drop down to a 56" model, but I really want the 61".

Any thoughts on this?

If you are really concerned, call Samsung technical support and ask about the airflow route. I think air is taken in on the front of the set and vented out the sides/back. If this is the case, you will be OK.

The 67's are available in my area as of today. (NW Ohio)

I'm hardly in a big city, so, if I have it, the rest of you that are interested in these: Head's up! FWIW.

They are getting closer, in another few months they might be here. :o

Anyone that has this model that had a older Sammy comment on PQ, and is the audio delay still a issue with these??:rolleyes:

Thanks, after looking at the actual shape of the TV, I think that i will be okay. Plus I get a little extra at the top by taking off the base or foot or whatever it's calledIf you are really concerned, call Samsung technical support and ask about the airflow route. I think air is taken in on the front of the set and vented out the sides/back. If this is the case, you will be OK.

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
The 67's are available in my area as of today. (NW Ohio)

I'm hardly in a big city, so, if I have it, the rest of you that are interested in these: Head's up! FWIW.

Where at in NW Ohio? Toledo area?

Originally posted by J22
Where at in NW Ohio? Toledo area?

Just north of Dayton.

Hope you go to the Dayton Hamfest!;)

i was just curious as to where everyone is placing the center speaker. the 5674 had a part on the top of the TV where one could place a center speaker. however, the 50" dont seem to have that ability. i have seen those stands that kind of hook on top of the tv, but i am not really keen on that. i cant place it on my TV stand either, since it has a glass door and there is not enough room on the inside of it. cant place it on the floor either.

well i dont own one yet, but just wanted to know...

thanks to the owners for the reviews and pictures. please keep the pictures coming..

Saw a new 5667 at Best Buy in SW MI today. It was next to the 4663 and below and in front of a Mitsubishi 55315 CRT RP. The 67 certainly had darker blacks and shadows, but expected to see more detail in the shadows and this didn't seem true. In a pan of a basketball arena ceiling, the 63 showed more detail in the shadows, but it was likely set brighter too. The 67 was very clear, compared to the 63 and the CRT. The CRT is certainly far cheaper, but appeared somewhat blurry or smeared next to the DLPs. Saw a Qualia at another shop down the street, it had excellant detail with HD, but not with SD. The viewing distance did matter with SD, you can be too close.

The 67 had better colors and more uniform lighting than the other two. Its colors did not appear strange or out of place. The picture mode was set to Dynamic. However, after seeing the Qualia, I am convinced I want to see the 1080p DLPs before I buy anything, even though I think the 67 is a definite improvement over previous units.

http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php?photo=14647&size=big&sort=1&cat=503

Attached is a picture of the 5067 on the new TR46x3 stand

Setup: Comcast HD PVR via component. DVD via component
Tivi via composite...(just temp until I watch all taped shows, then will be removed)

Stand comments: The stand is wll made and matches great. However, the Tv is in no way attached to the stand and I get the feeling my 4 year olds could easily knowk it over. I have decided to put wire from the back crewes of the TV to the stand to form a tether/anchor. No issue with the TV going back as the stand has extra room

MY motorola DVR comes right to the edge of the stand with room in the back for the turn required by the stiff component wires

The HD pictures are great. I have seen very little if any differerence between the Cable box signal and the direct signal.

Qestions that i need ansered and will seach this forum for later: best way to hook up the cable box as it has numerous possible connections. based on the given connection, I need the best setup to the cablebox setup menu

TV comments:

TV Guide is still blank and will probably be useless for me. Sound is good

Originally posted by videobruce
Hope you go to the Dayton Hamfest!;)

http://www.hamvention.org/ ?

Hmmm....

Originally posted by richost
http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php?photo=14647&size=big&sort=1&cat=503

Attached is a picture of the 5067 on the new TR46x3 stand



SWEET!!!
The stand and TV match very well. It's giving me second thoughts about the stand I have picked out for the 61"/67" 68 model I'm going to get. Excellent picture too. I almost wish my bedroom TV would break so I could get the 42" 720P version for a replacement.

Nice to see the 67 series finally being shipped and pics getting put up.

I wish samsung made a distinction between the cabinets for the 67 vs 68/78 series. Ah well, minor complaint, but that's just me :)

Lip Sync:

OK, I need help. I thought the lip sync issue was only with SD programming, not HD. Now I am seeing it on some HD programming. The real problem is that it isn't everything. When it is out of sync, it is really bad. Even my girlfriend notices it. It makes it very difficult to watch the show. Why would it happen on some shows, but not others.

Here is how I have everything set up:

Scientific Atlanta HD-DVR from TWC - video is going to the TV through a DVI -> HDVI cable. The audio is going to a Sony DA555ES receiver through the digital optical cable.

An earlier poster said to make sure that the audio setup on the cable box is set to "digital out". It is.

I haven't made any changes to the TV. Are there any adjustments I can make? Should I call out a tech?

I don't know what to do. The picture is absolutely awesome. I don't want to give up on this set.

I appreciate your suggestions.

Mark

mwilli / aircasper - pm'd both of you. thanks!

Originally posted by mshap
Lip Sync:

OK, I need help. I thought the lip sync issue was only with SD programming, not HD. Now I am seeing it on some HD programming. The real problem is that it isn't everything. When it is out of sync, it is really bad. Even my girlfriend notices it. It makes it very difficult to watch the show. Why would it happen on some shows, but not others.

Here is how I have everything set up:

Scientific Atlanta HD-DVR from TWC - video is going to the TV through a DVI -> HDVI cable. The audio is going to a Sony DA555ES receiver through the digital optical cable.

An earlier poster said to make sure that the audio setup on the cable box is set to "digital out". It is.

I haven't made any changes to the TV. Are there any adjustments I can make? Should I call out a tech?

I don't know what to do. The picture is absolutely awesome. I don't want to give up on this set.

I appreciate your suggestions.

Mark

If you still have your OLD set, it might be worth feeding it a s-video feed to see if the broadcast is just out of sync. This will take your new set out of the test. Some broadcasts are just out of sync. The clue is your comment about it being really bad.

I have the money finally to put down on a new TV and having been putting the Samsung HLR-6167w on the top of the list.

Is this TV worth getting now or should I wait till the 1080P version to come out? I thought the 1080's were coming out soon.

HLR5667 arrived this morning, about 10 minutes ago. I have to be at work in a half hour but I want to post my initial impressions...

STUNNING

The set design and aesthetics are absolute top notch at this price point. I have yet to power the set up and see picture, that'll come this afternoon. I still have to build my stand as well... went with the Bush "36 TV Stand" which is really more for up to a 60" projo. Hopefully by 6'ish tonight I'll have it up and running.

Any other owners: have your sets arrived with a good deal of dust on them? I had dust all over the top and screen of my set. It was in a box until this morning when the guys brought it in. Very odd... maybe it's dusty on the plane over from asia...?

~Lance

ps- this will officially be the longest day of work ever because I have this baby to come home to!

mshap

Your problem may be due to feeding your digital audio directly to your receiver and not through the TV. You may have to feed your digital audio from your DVR to the audio DVI in on your TV and use the TV optical digital out to feed your receiver. Processing the the video signal in the TV may delay the video picture. I am assuming the digital out on the TV is in sync with the video delay. (I’m guessing I’m not an expert)

I don’t know which DVR you have but TWC in my area is now supplying the SFA 8300, which has an HDMI out. If you had this DVR you could feed both the video and digital audio directly to the TV in one cable and use the digital optical out on the TV to feed your receiver.

Vandu

I live in Houston. TWC does offer the 8300 here (which I requested), but they delivered an 8000 instead.

I will try running the audio to the reciever through the TV. I'll let you know what happens.

UCSB

Unfortunately, I have already given my old TV to my sister. She is a warehouse of all of my hand me down electronics. :-)

I will try all of the suggestions you guys mentioned and let you know how it goes.

Originally posted by lswaidz
Any other owners: have your sets arrived with a good deal of dust on them? I had dust all over the top and screen of my set. It was in a box until this morning when the guys brought it in. Very odd... maybe it's dusty on the plane over from asia...? My external box was amazingly dirty. It looked like they shipped it in an open pony express wagon. Internally, everything was OK. The set had that thin foam fabric sheet over it, with the opening taped over at the top.

Aside from getting the carpet dirty before I realized how dirty the box was, my only problem was a small dent in the front bezel, just to the right of the Samsung logo.

I was looking at the back of my TV today and it appears to me a center channel shelf could be built.

Along the top of the TV, are four rectangle indents that have screws recesed in them. The indents are about 1.5 inches long and .5 inches tall and deep. So a shelf made of plastic could easily use these slots as a ways to connect. Moght even be able to do it with a small block of wood.

Just wondering if anybody has ever built their own center channel speaker shelf for the top of one of these TVs

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
http://www.hamvention.org/ ?

Hmmm.... Don't tell me you have NEVER gone?:mad:
Shame on you. I would go, but then I would have to rent a truck to take all the 'stuff' back home.;)

BTW, for anyone else, probably have of what is there is computer orientated.

It's not recommended to put much weight onto the frame of the Sammy dlp's for they are very lightely constructed. So if you center is more than 7 or 8 lbs, I wouldn't do this.

I put up a simple bookshelf--the kind that has two brackets coming out from verticle strips screwed into the wall behind the tv (the kind most of us used in college in past decades!). Home Depot has some that are heavier-duy than the old variety. The metal brackets are as long as 24", but the 18.5" ones were long enough for me. I have the (oak) wooden shelf just at the top edge of the tv and right up to it, so that the center speaker looks like it's resting on the top edge of the tv, but actually has no weight on it at all. And one can't see the wooden shelf, or the wall mountings behind, from the seating area. Anyway, this is one rather simple way to do it.

My center speaker is a KLH 13"x6"x6" that weighs around 5 pounds. The speaker enclosure is made of wood, so I ended up nailing a small picture frame hook on the back of the speaker and hanging it on the wall behind the set. Its offset from the front of the set by the depth of the set (13"), but works just fine.

... went with the Bush "36 TV Stand" which is really more for up to a 60" projo.

lswaidz--

I'd like to hear your opinions of that stand. After many hours of research, I finally found that one by accident and am about to order it, but I have one question...

Can you tell me if it can be built without including that little base? The unit is too tall for my 5067 (coming tomorrow) and if I can leave off that base, it'll be perfect.

TIA,

Chris (Breddy)

Back to the lip sync issue.

I went down to my local TWC store. I swapped out the 8000 HD DVR for the 8300. I connected the cable box to the TV using a HDMI cable. I have the audio out going from the TV to my stereo using the digital optical cable.

This seems to be working so far. It's tough to tell. Daytime television is so bad, it is unwatchable. I can only stomach a few minutes at a time. I'll post again this evening when we watch a program worth watching for more than 2 mintues. :-)

This connection has caused a new issue. Does the TV pass Dolby Digital to the reciever? I have turned on a couple of HD chanels that should be broadcasting in 5.1. My receiver is only outputting in stereo.

Mark

mshap
I can't tell you if the your TV will pass the 5.1 signal or not but your DVR has likely switched to stereo mode due to the HDMI connection. There is something in the HDMI protocal that switches the signal to stereo if the receiver is not 5.1 compatible. I remember reading somewhere in the 8300 literature that you can go into setup and force the 5.1 signal for the optical digital out. I hope it works for the HDMI connection also.
Many of us are going to be in your shoes as our TVs come in. Please keep us posted on your progress.

Originally posted by vandu
mshap
I can't tell you if the your TV will pass the 5.1 signal or not but your DVR has likely switched to stereo mode due to the HDMI connection. There is something in the HDMI protocal that switches the signal to stereo if the receiver is not 5.1 compatible. I remember reading somewhere in the 8300 literature that you can go into setup and force the 5.1 signal for the optical digital out. I hope it works for the HDMI connection also.
Many of us are going to be in your shoes as our TVs come in. Please keep us posted on your progress.

I just got off the phone with Samsung and TWC. Samsung told me that the cable box is over riding the TV. So, I called TWC. HDMI is forcing the signal to stereo. If I want 5.1, it looks like I'm going to have to run the audio out from the cable box to my receiver. This is probably going to cause the lip sync issue again. I'll keep you posted and let you know. Hopefully, I can let you know this evening. The girlfriend is getting a little perturbed that I am spending more time with the TV and not enough time unpacking from the move.

aircasper .. got ur pm & thanks. your mailbox is full (and it supposedly sent you an email, notifying you of that), so the pm's bounced. i got my question answered though.

Originally posted by richost
I was looking at the back of my TV today and it appears to me a center channel shelf could be built.

Along the top of the TV, are four rectangle indents that have screws recesed in them. The indents are about 1.5 inches long and .5 inches tall and deep. So a shelf made of plastic could easily use these slots as a ways to connect. Moght even be able to do it with a small block of wood.

Just wondering if anybody has ever built their own center channel speaker shelf for the top of one of these TVs

I built something similar for my 61" CRT projection set, but agree with the post that says to limit the project to center channel speakers in the 5-7 lbs range.

A question to the new xx67 owners: have any of you compared the OTA digital tuner to those found in the newer cable/satellite STBs? I'm in a fringe area, and would like to know how they measure up?

Originally posted by AkaStp
Lots of posts about stands for the 67 and center speaker shelves but not much feedback yet about the actual TV.

No kidding!! How bout' some reviews for us poor saps without the set yet :p

Originally posted by GBFreek
No kidding!! How bout' some reviews for us poor saps without the set yet :p You could start here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=536582

Originally posted by AkaStp
Amazon (direct and thru OfficeDepot) has a great price on the HLR5067. Do a search on Amazon.com using "HLR5067WX"

That's unbelievably cheap!

mshap

I’ve done a little more research and your problem sounds all too common as explained in this link. http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/AV_lip_sync_delay.html

I also found a not too expensive solution for those of us that want surround sound, without the lip sync issue and don’t want to purchase a new surround sound processor. http://www.felston.com/dd540/

I don’t understand why this problem isn’t being discussed more often unless there is a simpler solution that I’m not aware of.

Where were those products a few years ago when I had my Sony receivers without an adjustable delay. Between my Denon and iScanHD, any audio delay problem can be fixed for me now.

Originally posted by vandu
mshap

I’ve done a little more research and your problem sounds all too common as explained in this link. http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/AV_lip_sync_delay.html

I also found a not too expensive solution for those of us that want surround sound, without the lip sync issue and don’t want to purchase a new surround sound processor. http://www.felston.com/dd540/

I don’t understand why this problem isn’t being discussed more often unless there is a simpler solution that I’m not aware of.

Thanks Vandu.

You're right. I don't know why more companies aren't looking into this. I'm also surprised that more people aren't bringing this up. This can't just be a Samsung issue.

Of course a better solution would be for TWC/Scientific Atlanta to allow the 5.1 Dolby Digital to pass through the HDMI cable.

This might be a better question for the hardware forum, but does Direct TV's HD DVR's have the same limit with the HDMI cable?

RE: The other lower price from Amazon-
It if for a HLR5067WX what is the significance of the X? Grey market? will repair master warrenty still be usable?

I see some sites call it the CE samsung HLR5067WX could it be destined for European sales channels?

I'm hoping to go to Abt this weekend and if I'm lucky see and buy an HLR4667. Considering what weekends are like there, I don't have high hopes of being able to play too much with the display model and certainly doubt I'll be able to pick what I want to watch on it.

My viewing on this tv will be SD Directv and a remotely mounted DVD changer fed through coax or analog video with the limit of my HD material being OTA for now.

How does SD material look on these sets? Any issues?

Also, placement will be in a large armoir style cabinet that is going to place the set a little high. Those who have it placed up higher, what is the height of the bottom of the screen (not tv) from the floor on yours? Mine will be roughly 4'.

How durable is the screen itself? I have an older Mitsu RPTV that withstood our little dog jumping on it. This set will likely see flying objects from our toddler at some point in time. Is it a glass screen? plastic? Any kind of screen protector on it? etc.

Thanks for your help.

Originally posted by joebar32
My viewing on this tv will be SD Directv and a remotely mounted DVD changer fed through coax or analog video with the limit of my HD material being OTA for now.

How does SD material look on these sets? Any issues?

Also, placement will be in a large armoir style cabinet that is going to place the set a little high. Those who have it placed up higher, what is the height of the bottom of the screen (not tv) from the floor on yours? Mine will be roughly 4'.
I've had about 4 days with my HLR4667W set up in a very similar manner. Standard Comcast SD channels are soft as expected, but very watchable. The 16x9 stretch mode works great and hardly noticeable.

DVDs from a progressive scan player over a component connection look great. Keep in mind that the quality of the DVD source is highly dependent on how the DVD was recorded. Newer British TV and major US movies tend to look better than television box sets.

I have my HLR about that same height. Seated 10-12' away the picture is perfect. Laying down on the couch, it's about 10% darker, but still very viewable. If you go to this thread, you can see photos of my installation. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=536582

Thanks kjongsma,

Good to know. If you've got an 8' ceiling, mine will be right about there or a little lower.

I'd like to hook the dvd up with component since this will be the nicer tv in the house, but I (and the wife) don't want any components in the living room. I'm going to put all the components in the basement and feed things to the tv. If I can get the macros to run clean, I might feed the dvd into a vcr and send it through coax or buy a Leviton product to send analog thru cat5. I'll try coax and see how I like it first. This set won't have surround sound so I won't be expecting the best connection.

Bonus question, if I feed the OTA antenna through my directv box will the tv be able to distinguish that some channels are OTA HD and channel 3 is satellite? Or do I need to feed the aerial into ant A and the sat into ant B?

Originally posted by kjongsma
I've had about 4 days with my HLR4667W set up in a very similar manner. Standard Comcast SD channels are soft as expected, but very watchable.

kjongsma-

I assume your Comcast service has analog & digital channels? My Charter service is supposedly going all-digital this summer & I am wondering how good the cable digital channels look on your set.

Thanks for all of the info you are providing to those of us in waiting mode.

That Amazon price seems to good to be true. The price includes delivery, which makes it about 500 bucks cheaper than the powerbuy. What's the catch?

Originally posted by blackdiamond
That Amazon price seems to good to be true. The price includes delivery, which makes it about 500 bucks cheaper than the powerbuy. What's the catch?
Hmmm.... Read down this info page on the set: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0009EXVNA/qid=1116346303/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl23/104-1272514-0745504?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846

It says date first available from Amazon is "April 14, 2005." It could be a typo. If not a typo, it can not be an HL-RXX67, or can it?

ADDED in EDIT: More oddity. It shows the HL-P5067 at a higher price: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007XQUBS/qid=1116346911/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/104-1272514-0745504?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846

What are the warranty options through Amazon? Does the delivery include bringing it inside the house and unpackaging it?

Originally posted by Breddy
lswaidz--

I'd like to hear your opinions of that stand. After many hours of research, I finally found that one by accident and am about to order it, but I have one question...

Can you tell me if it can be built without including that little base? The unit is too tall for my 5067 (coming tomorrow) and if I can leave off that base, it'll be perfect.

TIA,

Chris (Breddy)

It's one of the best stands I've ever actually seen. It took about 30 minutes to assemble and has enough room for my Klipsch C-2 Center with my Moto HD Box, Tivo and sammy 841 flanking it. Very, very classy. The glass is a nice darker grey and the silver finish matches the 5667 perfectly. I couldn't be happier.

~Lance

I got my 5667 all setup last night and my home theater all connected, I just wanted to chime in and give my impressions of the picture quality.

First of all, I can not believe the quality of just basic standard definition programming. Obviously it's not perfect, but even compared my old 65" mitsu CRT this is stunning. That's a word I've been using a lot lately to describe the set. Samsung did an amazing job with this one, it will definately be a home run for them.

I haven't been able to watch a DVD on it yet using the upconvert, but I played a few games on MVP Baseball this morning on my PS2 using the component cable. The one thing I noticed was that on startup the little spinning light balls on the PS2 menu left a lot of ghosting on the screen, same with the Playstation 2 logo... when the MVP menus came up though it was all gone, worried me for a second though.

Anyway, gameplay was flawless, very little blur and smear, the new color wheel kept up perfectly. Also, I've seen ZERO rainbow effect so far, which is a very nice surprise.

HD quality of my moto box is amazing, I'm using Monster Video 3 component cables (my sammy is currently using the HDMI connection). I watched some HD Net last night (Biniki Destinations...woot) and it was... drool. That's about it... drool.

My only complaint so far is the remote... it's not the best layout I've seen. Even last years sammy was better. I have yet to program my sony remote commander, once I do that it won't be a problem anymore.

Anyhow, I have the day off today to tweak eveything and hopefully check a movie out later. I'll post later and let ya'll know how that goes.

~Lance

Originally posted by Saluki
I assume your Comcast service has analog & digital channels? I have a subscription to Comcast's basic basic tier, only because it makes my high speed internet subscription slightly cheaper. While most of the channels are analog, I was surprised to see a couple of local stations in HD digital (PBS & NBC), and a bunch of what look to be SD digital subchannels. The digital channels can be better, but it really depends on how the channel is being broadcast. Some are quite good and some are very soft.

Originally posted by lswaidz
I haven't been able to watch a DVD on it yet using the upconvert, but I played a few games on MVP Baseball this morning on my PS2 using the component cable. The one thing I noticed was that on startup the little spinning light balls on the PS2 menu left a lot of ghosting on the screen, same with the Playstation 2 logo... when the MVP menus came up though it was all gone, worried me for a second though.

Anyway, gameplay was flawless, very little blur and smear, the new color wheel kept up perfectly. Also, I've seen ZERO rainbow effect so far, which is a very nice surprise.



Any lag?

Originally posted by dunnar
What are the warranty options through Amazon? Does the delivery include bringing it inside the house and unpackaging it?

I can definetly handle bringing it in the house and unpacking it for $500

Just to add my two cents...

I have an HLR4667 (replaces a SONY 32" CRT) with the Samsung 850 DVD(HDMI), Moto 6412 STB (component) and the split coax running directly into the TV tuner.

My early impressions are mixed.

The SD part of the STD input is not only soft, there are lots of digital artifacts such as gnats, blocky backgrounds and similar. The analog signals through the TV tuner are better than from the STB, though. The source is a big factor here. Broadcasts that are originally HD are very good, others can be pretty bad.

The SD digital part of the cable spectrum is a little better, but still not all that great.

The HD shows are very good to spectacular. I can't imagine a better PQ than ESPN Sportscenter, or the PBS HD travel programs. The TV really shines with these sources.

DVD PQ with the 850 is pretty good. Not at the same level as the true HD content, but very watchable. The 720p or 1080i settings make a noticable difference.

Other than PQ, the only other issue I have is that he cooling fan is audible from my seating area about 10' away, but so is the DVR hard drive, so I guess it's no big deal.

^wow thats pretty critical.

I know most people in this forum seems to have great feedback from Samsung and trading in their old DLPs for newer ones. If I were to buy a new DLP HLR5067w this summer, do you think they would let me trade it in for a new 1080p next summer with me bumping in some extra cash?

Originally posted by nickavs
I can definetly handle bringing it in the house and unpacking it for $500

Agreed. The warranty doesn't seem that great though. 2 years from the time of purchase and I'm not sure if that includes bulb replacement or not. If your Credit Card has a 1-year extended warranty policy, then the Amazon warranty isn't even worth getting since those 2 years will already be covered by the manufacturer's warranty and the credit card's warranty.

Originally posted by dunnar
Agreed. The warranty doesn't seem that great though. 2 years from the time of purchase and I'm not sure if that includes bulb replacement or not. If your Credit Card has a 1-year extended warranty policy, then the Amazon warranty isn't even worth getting since those 2 years will already be covered by the manufacturer's warranty and the credit card's warranty.

Can always buy the extended warranty from TVA....

Is the item on Amazon really the HLR5067? It doesnt show any picture or info for me... other then Samsung 50" DLP tv

Can anyone clarify which (if any) of the TVA warranties (there are three in their "bundle") can be purchased for a TV that was *not* purchased from TVA? The three warranties are the screen protection, lamp protection, and extended.

Originally posted by subwoofer
I know most people in this forum seems to have great feedback from Samsung and trading in their old DLPs for newer ones. If I were to buy a new DLP HLR5067w this summer, do you think they would let me trade it in for a new 1080p next summer with me bumping in some extra cash?
Samsung doesn't do "trade-ins". If your set is defective Samsung will repair it, replace it with a different model (with a price adjustment), exchange it for the same model, or give you a refund.

Some B&M retailers will agree in advance to swap a model that you buy now for a better (more expensive ;)) model that is expected soon. In that kind of deal you are not going to have much in the way of negotiating power. It would be rare that a retailer would do a deal like that for "next year".

the amazon deal -is- amazingly good. I don't know what they're thinking... it even qualifies for free shipping!
could've saved $600. :(

I believe you can buy RepairMaster separate from the initial purchase. At least, that's what I heard.

I think it must be a price mistake or typo. I'm really tempted to buy but I really want the 5667W. This is tough!

Originally posted by blackdiamond
I think it must be a price mistake or typo. I'm really tempted to buy but I really want the 5667W. This is tough!

Why is the title: 50" DLP Pj Tv


It does say the following:

Item model number: HLR5067WX


If it is wrong/misprint, what will they do? What if it ships and it is the HLP or something?

Here is the photo:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0009EXVNA.01-A228GNTXW0TH0L.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Has anyone called them yet on this model and $??

Originally posted by nickavs
Why is the title: 50" DLP Pj Tv


It does say the following:

Item model number: HLR5067WX


If it is wrong/misprint, what will they do? What if it ships and it is the HLP or something?

Here is the photo:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0009EXVNA.01-A228GNTXW0TH0L.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Pj has to mean projection. I'm wondering what's up with the WX suffix. I'm waiting to see the 68/78 series or I would be tempted to check it out.

Somebody...c'mon.

p.s. - htwaits, welcome back :)

can someone confirm what the model numbers/letters mean from Samsung?

Originally posted by nickavs
can someone confirm what the model numbers/letters mean from Samsung?

nick-

We took a vote & you won!

TVA:

# HL-R5067W Dimensions: 46.5"W x 14.0"D x 34.3"H
# HL-R5067W Weight: 72.8 Lbs.


Amazon:

Shipping weight: 91.00 pounds.
Item model number: HLR5067WX
Dimensions: 19.00 inches x 52.00 inches x 40.00 inches (maybe this is the box size?)

From Amazon:

Thanks for writing to Amazon.com with your question.

I have checked our web site and found that the item "50" DLP Pj Tv"
is listed with the following information:

Shipping weight: 91.00 pounds
Dimensions: 19.00 inches x 52.00 inches x 40.00 inches

Please note that items which are unusually large or heavy, or are
oddly-shaped, are shipped via specialty shippers including Eagle
Freight, AB Freight and FedEx. Please note that these items cannot
be shipped to P.O. Boxes.

Our shipper may contact you to schedule a delivery date once the
package arrives at their local office. The driver may then bring the
package to your address and remove it from the truck, but is not
required to move it into your residence. It is also your
responsibility to unpack the item, completing any necessary
assembly. Please note, we require an adult's signature upon
delivery.

In some cases, the recipient may be responsible for taking the item
off of the truck when it arrives. Also, the item may be delivered to
your address but not unloaded, unpacked, or assembled.

Further, as noted in our returns policy posted on our web site
(http://www.amazon.com/help/returns), we cannot accept the return of
televisions 27 inches and larger after delivery.

In these cases, if the item needs to be serviced or replaced, we
request customers to consult the owner's manual to see if the problem
in question is covered in the Frequently Asked Questions or
Troubleshooting portions of the manual. If the customer is unable to
find the answer for your question, we recommend that they consult the
manufacturer regarding the In-Home Service Warranty for the item.

According to the pdf file for the new 67W series, the shipping dimensions for the 5067W are 51.2 x 18.7 x 39.6 with a weight of 90.4 lbs. The UPC is 036725 2 5067 3. THe "order code" is HLR5067WX/XAA. The pdf is posted on the huge HLRxxxxW page and I belive it's on the Samsung.com page as well.

It seems the shipping weight matches and so does the shipping dimensions.

Amazon also states:

You may return most items sold by Amazon.com within 30 days of delivery for a full refund. We'll also pay the return shipping cost if the return is a result of our error. Please note that we are unable to exchange items (however, if you received a damaged, defective, or incorrect item, click here).


So I guess we need to know what the extra 'X' on the end of HLR5067WX means. I'm not sure if I'd still want it if X meant refurbished or something like that...

The X seems to be a part of the official samsung order code.

It all seems legit to me.

Part of dunnar's post:

"Further, as noted in our returns policy posted on our web site
(http://www.amazon.com/help/returns), we cannot accept the return of
televisions 27 inches and larger after delivery.

In these cases, if the item needs to be serviced or replaced, we
request customers to consult the owner's manual to see if the problem
in question is covered in the Frequently Asked Questions or
Troubleshooting portions of the manual. If the customer is unable to
find the answer for your question, we recommend that they consult the
manufacturer regarding the In-Home Service Warranty for the item."

Originally posted by uiucsb
The X seems to be a part of the official samsung order code.

Yea, I guess it's really it....

Amazon also lists the HLP similarly:

ASIN: B0007XQUBS
Item model number: HLP5067WX/XAA
Date first available at Amazon: April 14, 2005

Makes my stomach ache thinking about the $$$ difference! I just want to believe (in my heart) that there's a catch.

I just pulled the trigger -- sale went through OK, gave me supersaver shipping and everything...I'm supposed to get it next week, so I'll let you all know what I actually receive!

Originally posted by uiucsb
Makes my stomach ache thinking about the $$$ difference! I just want to believe (in my heart) that there's a catch.

we'll i'll let you know, amazon says i can cancel my order until it ships. next day shipping says it wont ship until May 29th anyway. so... i'm in for 1

Well, I am a sucker for a bargain, and I ordered one from amazon.
It states usually ships in 1 day, but my order screen says "shipping estimate 5/23, delivery estimate 5/26.

For the warranty, I was planning on using this link supplied by someone awhile back, but I don't think I will buy it for another 6 months.


stand alone warranties (http://www.cybergiftcenter.com/applications/category/scategory.asp?catID=111903)

4 year extension for $136.90 (not bulb- but with savings I can buy one)

I will post here as events unfold.

Glad I found this forum. I've been seriously looking for the past few weeks for a 42" to 50" RP. This Amazon deal seems pretty sweet. So I took the plunge and ordered 1. Estimated Ship date: May 23 Estimated Delivery: May 25 - May 26. Standard Free shipping.

It sounds like a number of people are still having audio/video sync problems (mostly because you can't run 5.1 through the TV set via HDMI and have it properly pass through the output). Is the only solution to this to buy an A/V receiver with a delay (or some other outboard box that does the delay)?

The solution of having the audio receiver do a fixed delay seems like a weird hack to me. Wouldn't different types of input sources have different delays in video processing? And are the delay timings provided by A/V receivers fine-grained enough that they can exactly match the video delay? Is there a precise way to configure the delay, or do you just have to twiddle it by ear and hope for the best?

Is there any likelihood that future models (e.g. the 1080p models) will properly pass 5.1 from HDMI to digital audio out?

nj

holy crap... thats like $1,000 cheaper than what i saw it for at Best Buy the other day (first time i've seen it in person). At this price I just might have to order one... now to come up with $2,000... maybe starting a meth lab isnt such a bad idea... (KIDDING!!!!).

Originally posted by rictus

The solution of having the audio receiver do a fixed delay seems like a weird hack to me. Wouldn't different types of input sources have different delays in video processing? And are the delay timings provided by A/V receivers fine-grained enough that they can exactly match the video delay? Is there a precise way to configure the delay, or do you just have to twiddle it by ear and hope for the best?

Is there any likelihood that future models (e.g. the 1080p models) will properly pass 5.1 from HDMI to digital audio out?

nj

Actually that too is a hack. The only acceptable solution is for the TV to process the incoming video stream in negligable time so that the output of the source is closely in sync with the images on the screen. This is a fundamental assumption underlying HCI (Human Computer Interaction) and without it you get nasty effects like this.

I think we need to insist that display manufacturers advertize the worst time latency between a signal entering the TV (we can ignore the wire propogation of the signal between the output of the source and the TVs input, hey thats ~ 1/3 c isn't it?) and the signal being seen on the display. I would expect that latencies less than 1/2 the frame period (1/120 sec for 60Hz video) would be sufficient to eliminate this phenomenon. I believe current DLP displays are closer to about 1/25 - 1/10 sec which is too much.

OK, new topic... now we all need TV stands!!!

Is the TR63 the one that matches the 5067?

TR46X3:
http://www.tvauthority.com/DLP-TV-Stands/Samsung-TR46X3.asp

vs.

TR63X:
http://www.tvauthority.com/DLP-TV-Stands/Samsung-TR63X.asp?dept=77&prod=2908

What's the diff???

Originally posted by AkaStp
What is it about the remote that you don't like?

I really dislike the "TV Guide" branding and it doesn't allow easy switching between internal and external sound.

Originally posted by subwoofer
Any lag?

Well I noticed while playing i wasn't getting my usual "perfect" when throwing pitches but I think that was just because I haven't used my wireless controllers in a while... other than that nothing, the TV seemed to keep up perfectly.

~Lance

Originally posted by AkaStp
What is it about the remote that you don't like?
How does it differ from last year's?

I don't like the fact the Picture Size button is under the slide... also I have yet to find a way to change the input on the pip, i rarely use it but it's something I'd like to know how to do... i'll figure it out though. I don't like the huge TV Guide logo either, I never use it so it's no help to me... I got my remote commander all programed though so my Sammy remote is in a closet now...hehe

~Lance

This is killing me! Everyone is receiving their Sammy's, and I ordered Two weeks ago! Argh.........

If you search for the hlr5067w on amazon, the price went up from just a couple hours ago.

lswaidz--

which bush 36" stand did you get? i got too many google results. could you please post a link?

thanks.

Originally posted by lswaidz
It's one of the best stands I've ever actually seen. It took about 30 minutes to assemble and has enough room for my Klipsch C-2 Center with my Moto HD Box, Tivo and sammy 841 flanking it. Very, very classy. The glass is a nice darker grey and the silver finish matches the 5667 perfectly. I couldn't be happier.

~Lance

has anyone noticed a lag in using a dish receiver?

is the lag present with an hdmi connection to the tv then optical to receiver?
is it the same for sd and hdtv through cable/dish? how about OTA channels?

is the lag present if you use component cables to tv and optical to the receiver?

anyone know if the lag is from a stereo feed being forced on the hdmi cable from the cable/receiver box like mshap has described so we have to bipass the tv?
do we know if dish does this stereo feed or direct tv????

thanks

Picked up my HLR-5067W from local B&M last night. Got it for less than the TVA power buy, so I'm happy about that.

Doubts about the size were immediately dispelled when I placed the set on its makeshift nest consisting of two end tables (the Bush Edgewood stand is on order). It's perfect! I sit about 115" from the screen and I don't want it any bigger.

I connected the power and Comcast feed and hit the power button -- bee-bee-beep! Nothing. When the picture lit up, it was nothing but a series of vertical white lines. No menu. No picture. The sound from the cable channels came through, so I knew it was tuning channels. After a mini temper tantrum, my friend (the friend with a truck, thanks Jason!) decided to try a full power cycle. After unplugging the unit and turning it back on, all was well. Victory!

Initial impressions in the next post.

-Breddy

My HLR-5067W (first HDTV and first rear projection) is now setup in my family room (see previous post). I use Comcast digital cable through a Moto 6412 STB which is connected via DVI-HDMI.

Initial Impressions:

- HD channels are stunning. The output from STB is set to 720p and the results exceeded my expectations. Simply amazing. Noticed a bit of color banding (SSE?) on some material, but not too bad. No rainbows (I'm not one of the chosen, lucky me), no SDE. I did all my initial viewing using the Standard picture mode, with out of the box settings. DVE going in tonight.

- Digital SD channels are good; about what I expected. The various stretch modes are unavailable while using HDMI, so I hope you like 4:3, or have a direct cable feed to the unit (more on this later).

- Analog SD channels are notoriously bad with my 6412 STB, and are simply awful when viewed on the HLR. Garbage in, garbage out. I got used to the picture after awhile, but this is NOT how you want to show off the set.

- Good DVD material (Incredibles) looks wonderful. I'm using a cheapie progressive scan DVD player, and the quality is very good -- the built-in scaler does its job. I am really going to love watching movies.

- The remote is lackluster, but very functional and reasonably responsive. I haven't programmed my Harmony yet (Have a 688; 880 is on order, birthday gift from my wife).

This morning I did some playing around with the set's internal tuner. I removed the STB from the equation to see how much better my analog stations would be. WOW. Night and day. If I find myself watching much SD analog programming, it won't be through the cable box! The picture is much smoother, though it is still definitely a DLP image. Panorama mode is good; but I'm no fan of any type of resizing, so I leave it off. I'll learn more about the tuner tonight and perhaps try for some HD content to see how it compares with the output of the STB.

More to come!

-Breddy

Do not post pricing other than MSRP!

Good stuff, breddy, keep it comin'.

Do you plan to split your cable signal & run one connection direct to the set?

Also, is there any difference in quality on the digital cable channels direct to the set vs. through the Motorola box?

Thanks.

Do you plan to split your cable signal & run one connection direct to the set?

I already have attentuation issues in my house which Comcast has tried repeatedly to resolve. Because of that, I'm not going to introduce any splitters yet. I believe the next step will be to add a signal booster. If that cures my signal strength problems, I'll try a good quality splitter and see how it flies. Even with the Harmony, it may be a hassle to continuously swap back & forth between STB and internal tuner. If there's something we want to watch real-time, it may be worth it. Time will tell.

Also, is there any difference in quality on the digital cable channels direct to the set vs. through the Motorola box?

I didn't get to any digital channels -- I had to leave for work! I need to familiarize myself with what is available directly vs. using a CableCARD (which I do not have).

I'll post my findings as they come. So far, I'm quite giddy!

-Breddy

RE: TV Guide service

I've had my HLR4667 up and running about four days. Two days ago I did the setup program on the TV Guide service. I've yet to see any listings. The manual says there is a 24 hour delay for the first set of listings and as long as seven days for all listings. That said, after 48 hours I should be seeing something, right?

What are others experiencing with the TV Guide set-up? I'm using a cablecard and connected to Cablevision NY. thanks.

Originally posted by Breddy
I connected the power and Comcast feed and hit the power button -- bee-bee-beep! Nothing. When the picture lit up, it was nothing but a series of vertical white lines. No menu. No picture. The sound from the cable channels came through, so I knew it was tuning channels. That's strange - I had the exact same problem with my HL-R4667W when it arrived a few days ago:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=536582

Originally posted by jhasl
I've had my HLR4667 up and running about four days. Two days ago I did the setup program on the TV Guide service. I've yet to see any listings. The manual says there is a 24 hour delay for the first set of listings and as long as seven days for all listings. That said, after 48 hours I should be seeing something, right?

What are others experiencing with the TV Guide set-up? I'm using a cablecard and connected to Cablevision NY. thanks.
I hooked my HLR4667W up to Comcast. It took about 24 hours for the guide to populate. You may need to go through the setup twice. The second time allows you to pick the specific cable system you are on.

Originally posted by uiucsb
The X seems to be a part of the official samsung order code.

A google search for HLR5067WX shows a number of online firms selling the unit for about $2052. The following URL is a Samsung PDF for this series.


www.hdtvsolutions.com/pdf/DLP_specSamsung.pdf


It shows the HLR5067WX as the order ID for the HL-R5067W set.

Ed

Stop posting pricing other than MSRP or Discussion of retailer web sites.

Thank you!

quote:Originally posted by jhasl
I've had my HLR4667 up and running about four days. Two days ago I did the setup program on the TV Guide service. I've yet to see any listings. The manual says there is a 24 hour delay for the first set of listings and as long as seven days for all listings. That said, after 48 hours I should be seeing something, right?

What are others experiencing with the TV Guide set-up? I'm using a cablecard and connected to Cablevision NY. thanks.


I hooked my HLR4667W up to Comcast. It took about 24 hours for the guide to populate. You may need to go through the setup twice. The second time allows you to pick the specific cable system you are on.

Kjongsma -- thanks. it's been 48 hours and nothing but then I have cablevision and nothing is easy with this company. I'll try a second setup to see what happens.

Have others on the board also had problems with the TV guide service?

Originally posted by e6toeknee
Glad I found this forum. I've been seriously looking for the past few weeks for a 42" to 50" RP. This Amazon deal seems pretty sweet. So I took the plunge and ordered 1. Estimated Ship date: May 23 Estimated Delivery: May 25 - May 26. Standard Free shipping.

Just received an email stating that my shipment was shipped today.

Ship Method: Eagle USA
Tracking Number: xxxxxxx
Status: IN-TRANSIT
Shipment Date: May 18, 2005
Destination: xxxx, MD, United States
Order ID: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date Time Location Service Area Checkpoint Details
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
May 18, 2005 10:38:58 AM Harrisburg PA USA SHIPPED

I'll look up Eagle USA tonight and try to get in touch with them to see when they estimate delivery. Shouldn't take too long from Harrisburg as it is only 175 miles from my house.

Originally posted by Barrybud
Stop posting pricing other than MSRP or Discussion of retailer web sites.

Thank you!

The question concerned the model number for the Samsung. The URL is for a Samsung PDF file that shows Samsung detailed model info.

Ed

back to owners and impressions:
got my 5067 set up last night, after beating myself up for ordering before the amazon deal.
my hookup:
Air2: OTA from a ratshack un-amp'ed rabbit ear
Component1: yamaha 5790 receiver as a switch
Component1-1: dishnetwork 811 - component to yamaha
Component1-2: cheap sony 480p dvd player - component to yamaha
Component2: playstation2

On the audio side, only the PS2 is feeding the 5067 via old red/white RCA.
the rest optical to the yamaha
going to get an extra optical tonight to feed the 5067 to the yamaha

Calibration: DVE via my DVD player, then copied the settings over to the Air input. Once tweaked, here's what I noticed at my current settings:
Contrast 60, Brightness 55, Sharpness 0, Color 52, color temp - normal
Red filter on the SMPTE screen, there's a slight red-push, no matter what settings I try.
Blue filter on the SMPTE screen, perfect blocks of blue and black, no other shades.
Green filter on the SMPTE screen, a total mess. Everything's coming in at different levels and no amount of tweaking could get rid of it.


Initial Impressions:
HDNET rules - watched Mind Meld and stared in amazement at Nemoy's house.
HDMovie - Terms of Endearment was very noisy
Other dishnetwork channels came in so-so.

clicking 'info' on the samsung shows I'm getting 1960x1080i/60hz

OTA - the channels I do get, come in great... ended up watching Conan for no good reason. Trumps red tie almost burned a hole in my retina. KCET-HD is especially excellent. (PBS-HD, I believe)

clicking 'info' on the samsung doesn't let me know what broadcast type I'm getting... unfortunately.

PS2 - big problems on what I'm doing... I have the component cable set and feed audio directly to the tv. Game in progress is Front Mission 4.
No lipsync, but it looks UGLY. no, it looks FUGLY. I'm saddened, but hopefully can find ways of fixing these issues. Probably need to copy the Air/Component1 settings to Component2 first. Either way, compared to the HD content, the PS2 might as well be an atari 2600. I quickly turned off the PS2...

480P DVD - watched a little bit of Titan AE, after DVE'ing. Excellent. Very crisp, almost HD-like. Going to do Phantom Menace tonight, and Attack of the Clones tomorrow, in preparation for Friday. :)

clicking 'info' on the samsung shows I'm getting 720x480p/60hz

DNR - can be turned off. I have it Off right now.
DNIe - cannot be turned off. Watching the Demo mode, I wish I could turn it off, as I like the Off side better.

Ed,

The PDF is fine.

Barrybud

Sorry about the pricing- I was remembering that restriction this morning, and when I went back to change and they were all mod-ed out.

For the Amazon people who have recieved confirmation of shipping, when did you order, and what was the original estimate?

I ordered last night, and no change in shippment date 5/23.

Originally posted by subwoofer
What stand is everyone here using for a 5067?

I have the 4 equipment slot Bonde from Ikea in black-brown. For decor reasons, I couldn't get the Oppli (birch only) or the other ones.

the 5067 overhangs by 2 inches from either side because the Bonde is only 42" across, IIRC.

when Ikea gets more black-brown Bonde in stock, I'll be buying a second one to make a 84" tv stand with 8 slots for equipment. :) It'll look better then.

Originally posted by nickavs
me too :D
http://www.eaglegl.com/
Do we have to call them or how do you think they will handle delivery?

off topic, but last year, I bought a 32" CRT Toshiba via Amazon and it was also delivered by Eagle.

Great people, great service. They even brought the TV into my apartment, instead of just leaving it curb-side.

IIRC, they called the day before to arrange a good delivery time.

Originally posted by bhchan
off topic, but last year, I bought a 32" CRT Toshiba via Amazon and it was also delivered by Eagle.

Great people, great service. They even brought the TV into my apartment, instead of just leaving it curb-side.

IIRC, they called the day before to arrange a good delivery time.

Do they give you a window of time to be there so you can meet them at the house?

Originally posted by Heywood
Barrybud

Sorry about the pricing- I was remembering that restriction this morning, and when I went back to change and they were all mod-ed out.

For the Amazon people who have recieved confirmation of shipping, when did you order, and what was the original estimate?

I ordered last night, and no change in shippment date 5/23.

I think i ordered mine around the same time as you did yesterday (about 5:30pm EST)...

someone just mentioned that DNIe cannot be turned off on the new HLR sets. Is this true?? If so theres no way im getting one now.

DNIe cannot be turned off on the HLR5067, but I have not ventured into the service menu, so the jury is still out.

"DNIe Demo" mode is off by default.

I just got a call from Amazon confirming that My order was real
(rather than stolen cc).
He stated that it was the HLR, and that they had gone through their que, and mine should ship monday or tuesday.

(FYI Shipping from lexington KY)

Still have stand issues- Center Channel, Reciever, STB, and potentially the new Sony changer ( 400 DVDs DVI/HDI out).

Does anyone have the dims for the stand (When set up for a 50"?)

Did they say anything about the price (error?)??

I didn't want to go there!:)

Are you getting a warranty? My note with the link got pulled bedause I mentioned price, but check this out:

tv warranties (http://www.cybergiftcenter.com/applications/category/scategory.asp?catID=111903)

I think the price point you buy it for needs to be based on the MSRP, not what you actually paid.

I bought HLR5067W on Amazon at around 9PM Eastern Time yesterday with free shipment on May 23. Got notification that it was shipped a couple hours ago - from PA.

Weird- I ordered 5:50 pm EST-- Maybe the delay was for them to verify my cc?

Back to the stand ?, I need to find something that can take more stuff than the 2 pieces you see in all the stand ads.

My 10 mo old has figured out how to open the gass doors on my current stand, so mighht as well go door- less

Originally posted by Heywood
Weird- I ordered 5:50 pm EST-- Maybe the delay was for them to verify my cc?

Back to the stand ?, I need to find something that can take more stuff than the 2 pieces you see in all the stand ads.

My 10 mo old has figured out how to open the gass doors on my current stand, so mighht as well go door- less

Either the Samsung TR46X3 or the TR46L5S should work for you. The 2 glass shelves are more than 35" wide, so you can put 2 standard width (17") boxes on then side-by-side.

Carl

Originally posted by dpristin
I bought HLR5067W on Amazon at around 9PM Eastern Time yesterday with free shipment on May 23. Got notification that it was shipped a couple hours ago - from PA.

Bestbuyplasma has the HL-R4667 in stock for less than the PowerBuy price. You'll pay for shipping, but no sales tax into most states. Also 18-month financing with no interest.

Anyone know why Amazon has such a low price on the HLR5067?

Originally posted by AkaStp
Best Buy just reduced their prices on the HLR 67s. Check their web site.
Also, the HLR 67s are now listed on Crutchfield's web site.
I won't post links or prices so as not to further upset the Mods.
No sign of HLR 67s at Circuit City yet though! They must have a LOT of HLP 63s to get rid of! I just seen a HLR5667 at C.C. in Joliet,IL I got to tell you the PQ was spot on, lots of detail and sharp colors...I had a HLP6163 and it seem soft compared to the new HLR**67 models...I pre ordered the HLR6768 from TVA...I don't think you can go wrong with any of these new sets 720P or 1080P.

Looks like amazon fixed the price. Its not crazy low anymore. But you can still get it on there (though office depot) for a decent price.

Originally posted by unikorn
lswaidz--

which bush 36" stand did you get? i got too many google results. could you please post a link?

thanks.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=5902302&type=product&id=1060605669796

I just recieved my BESYBUY catalog- I was thinking of the Bush stand you posted, but it may be a little wide for a 50.

Also there is a Sanus rack that looks pretty nice- 3 shelves

Model PFPL-bb num 5303174



I will need to visit BB check it out in person, as I got confirmation that my Amazon order shipped today (From PA) Should take less than 9 days to NJ :DSanus rack (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=5303174&type=product&productCategoryId=cat03116&id=1051806240692)

Due to the MSRP only rules, I will tread lightly, but I will tell my story for the day.

I went to BB today to see the HLR67's but they aren't going to display them until the 63's are gone. They did have one in stock. I brought up the Amazon price, and they said that they would move a little but not as much as I hoped (he said it was below his cost). I then went to ABC Warehouse and they just got the 67's in. They took it out of the box and hooked it up for me. It looked pretty good. I brought up the Amazon price just to see how far I could get. The manager came back with a price that was halfway between the MSRP and what Amazon had them for. I said I would think about it. As I was leaving, he told me that if I get the extended warranty ($369/5 years with bulb replacement) he would match the Amazon price!!! I couldn't believe it. I thanked him and said I would be back very soon.

Pulled the trigger and went with Amazon/Office Depot HLR 5067W.

Have been looking for many months almost bought the HLP 5063 but read about all the problems the 63 series was having so waited for the HLRs - have been checking CC and BB and thought the BB price was OK until I read this thread and found the Amazon price.) This is too good of a deal to pass on. Received confirmation email and shipping date of 20 May. I still half expect to get an email saying we are sorry but..... Even the HLP costs more than this.
I did check and it is the HLR5063w not WX and I have this on a printed out sheet so.....

I wonder just how many of us on this forum have placed orders at this great price??

Originally posted by terkar

I wonder just how many of us on this forum have placed orders at this great price??

1 here...

but from scanning the forums; i'd say maybe 5-6 people total

honestly i dont see how anyone could pass up the office depot deal; it is obvious that the price IS wrong and it WILL go up.

Excited new members should start here. ;)

Special Posting Rules For This Area (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=482944)

Originally posted by htwaits
[B]Excited new members should start here. ;)

<link deleted>

This is a good reminder. I confess that I hadn't read it and violated the rules in my first post. Sorry!

I've got an HL-R5067W on the way via the original Amazon deal. It's already on the truck, apparently. I had to scramble to cancel an order I had with Inoax. Supposedly that was in shipment too but it got cancelled in time (barely). Amazon closed the deal much quicker than they said they would. They have done an excellent job on just about everything I have bought from them.

When it shows up I'll be happy to post a newbie buyer review. This is my first new TV since 1993 or so. Not too keen on the short life/high cost of the lamps but at least I saved the price of one replacement lamp via the info on this site.

Jon

Originally posted by Heywood
I just recieved my BESYBUY catalog- I was thinking of the Bush stand you posted, but it may be a little wide for a 50.

Also there is a Sanus rack that looks pretty nice- 3 shelves

Model PFPL-bb num 5303174



I will need to visit BB check it out in person, as I got confirmation that my Amazon order shipped today (From PA) Should take less than 9 days to NJ :DSanus rack (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=5303174&type=product&productCategoryId=cat03116&id=1051806240692)

I probably wouldn't recommend that one... it's curved on all 4 sides and it has a greenish tint to it... wouldn't match the silver on the 67w's at all. There's a ton of options out there now, I work at BB so I was able to see most of them over the last year and I decided that Video Base was the best for me... fits the 56 with about an inch and a half to spare on each side... the 61 would fill it edge to edge very nicely... the 'satin chrome' finish is virtually identical to the silver on the 67w... all I can say is good luck w/ your search... it took me about 3 months to find the right stand.

~Lance

See my sig for a quick review.

Anyone who bought the HLR5067W through Amazon, let us know when you get them, please! I'm seriously considering since the price is right, but it seems like a big purchase to do online for me.

For those who are interested in the comparision of
Hd2+ (HLR4677) and Hd4 (HLR4667), please see my details on
in home comparision of HLR4667 and HLR4677 DLP sets:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/show...893#post5645893

Thank you AkaStp. This thread has become the FUTURE owners' thread. A majority of the postings are on stands or pricing. All good topics, but not what this thread is meant for.

-Breddy (a very pleased HLR owner)

Originally posted by baba160
For those who are interested in the comparision of
Hd2+ (HLR4677) and Hd4 (HLR4667), please see my details on
in home comparision of HLR4667 and HLR4677 DLP sets:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/show...893#post5645893

The URL seems to be broken. I'm very interested to read your findings, especially since you've done a side-by-side in a controlled environment. Could you repost?

-Breddy

Originally posted by Breddy
The URL seems to be broken. I'm very interested to read your findings, especially since you've done a side-by-side in a controlled environment. Could you repost? -Breddy

Judging from his posting time, Baba160 might be a West Coaster. Permit me to step in for him: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5645893#post5645893

As posted above, I expect to receive my HLR5067w soon. Now I need some help from those of you that already have your set up and running.

I subscribe to DIRECTV have their TIVO unit and a VCR. Will not get the DIRECTV HD Receiver for a while but as I understand it I should expect a good picture via DIRECTV Digital.

1. Do I just unpack the set connect my units and plug it in? Will I have to adjust anything? If so what? Have read something about a DVD that helps with set up - True? Where do you get the DVD?

2. Any suggestions on how to connect the TIVO and VCR? What kind of cables and which ports to use? HDMI - RGB - etc? I know nothing about this stuff so any help you can offer will be appreciated.

Thanks

One last interruption!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As Breddy and others have thought or suggested-

An owner's thread should be for people who own the set to discuss issues, set ups, impressions, not where someone may buy it from.

(And also hijacking the powbuy thread was not right either.)

As such, I started a Amazon HLR-5067WX thread for us to post what we got, delivery info, impressions etc.

( BUT NOT PRICING!)
( BUD- How is "Significantly less than the MSRP, but slightly more than it was yesterday"? :D )

Lance thanks for the stand opinion/info.

I will return as an owner!:)

We now resume the OWNER'S thread

Originally posted by Barrybud
See my sig for a quick review.

You may want to rethink the wording of #5.

To quote David Bott

"I hope you can respect what we are asking, for our mission at AVS Forum is not how to get the best price, but how to achieve the best out of the gear you own or are looking to own."

However one of most basic needs of many non-rich potential new owners have is what set to get, given their budget and requirements. Their finances determine the $ they have to spend. Their home and other factors, determine the kind of set they may need. Discussions involving MSRP are not very helpful to them.

They need to be able to ask questions as to suggestions, given their needs, and others need a reasonable way to respond. “Reasonable” is perhaps the key word here.

It’s also clear that this forum is dependant on multiple sponsors, many of whom sell this kind of gear. One can clearly talk about different sets, and price ranges, without getting into specific quotes and URL or “Call John Smith at” references. My suggestion is for a more flexible approach in this area. Otherwise how are people to “achieve the best out of the gear you own or are looking to own."

Ed

looks like it got pulled- I sent a pm asking why

Back again... 2nd day's Impressions here:

Couch arrived, so now I'm watching the HLR5067 at a more proper level, and much more comfortably.

Got my optical out from tv to receiver for better sound.

My antenna (and HT room!) is on the wrong side of the house! This means that every time I get up, I cross the 'path' between my antenna and the broadcast. LOL.

1) Watched American Idol OTA. No lipsync issues throughout the show. The caucasian girl looked especially nice in HD. :)

2) Watched the Fran Dresser show OTA. 1 second lipsync issues throughout the show. I blame the weaker signal and/or Fran speaking much faster than maybe the MPEG2 encoder could keep up. Fran doesn't look as nice as the American idol girl when rendered in HD... probably better to see her a little blurry.

3) Watched Attack of the Clones in DVD 480P. No lipsync issues. Noticed for the first time that Yoda has fine facial hair. Natalie trumps the American Idol girl in sweet eye-candyness.


At 6pm, the sun was still up and the ambiant lighting was somewhat high. The tv looked a little washed out based on my settings.
By 8pm, the sun was gone, ambiant lighting is with a single 60w floorstanding lamp. American Idol looked great, sharp and bright. Almost too bright.

Regarding Rainbows: I saw some at wierd times... do NOT turn on close caption or subtitles if you're sitting 1.5x to 2.0x diagonal... you WILL get some rainbowing from trying to read and watch :)
Those, like me, who don't hear dialog as well might want to look into a smaller set if they're going to use subtitles. :(
(I'm just glad I didn't go 61", though it would've been nice++)

what else... by the time AoC finished, it was too late to try the PS2 again.

Tonight: I'm going to get an amp'ed antenna to see if I can clear up KTTV/WB's signal a little.

slightly offtopic: at one point, I flipped to a channel showing Katie Holmes and Batman. Katie does NOT look good in HD, unfortunately.

Edit: should I mention that the above observations -were- made with the help of Stella Artois? :)

Tonight: I'm going to get an amp'ed antenna to see if I can clear up KTTV/WB's signal a little.

I asked this question on another thread, but got no reply.
Are you able to compare the OTA tuner in the HLR to a cable or satellite STB? I'm in a fringe area and am curious as to how the Samsung ATSC tuner stacks up. Thanks,
Carl

my post in the other HLR thread actually answered your question. :)
Between OTA connected to the TV vs. OTA connected to the dishnetwork 811, I'm getting better signal from the TV directly. Seems like Samsung put an internal LNC amplifier of somes sort. You can, per channel, select to turn it on or off.

bhchan,
can you please try out a few games on your PS2 to check for lag? preferably a game with a timing-critical meter such as golf or football... this is basically the only question i have left before buying one of these sets for myself. seems like no one has directly addressed this issue yet.

Originally posted by bhchan
my post in the other HLR thread actually answered your question. :)
Between OTA connected to the TV vs. OTA connected to the dishnetwork 811, I'm getting better signal from the TV directly. Seems like Samsung put an internal LNC amplifier of somes sort. You can, per channel, select to turn it on or off.

Great! Thanks.
I have two DirecTV STBs that I'll be comparing the Samsung OTA to:
Zenith HD-SAT520
Hughes HTL-HD
Both use 4th generation ATSC decoders, so it'll be interesting to compare.
Carl

Got my optical out from tv to receiver for better sound.

What if you go sat box (or cable box, whatever you have) video to tv and audio to receiver? Is there lip sync problems?

What about dvd player video to tv (either hdmi or component) then audio (optical) to receiver. Any lip sync problems?

Originally posted by NatGun
bhchan,
can you please try out a few games on your PS2 to check for lag?
Turns out, I might not have the chance to tonight. :( (I probably won't even get to watch my tv... sad)
But I try to squeeze in some time.
I'll have to find my old Madden, since I tend towards turn-based RPGs or more arcade-style games (like the Street series, which doesn't have any meters, I don't think)

I might not have the chance to get and set up an amped antenna either.

Originally posted by MikeAlletto
What if you go sat box (or cable box, whatever you have) video to tv and audio to receiver? Is there lip sync problems?

What about dvd player video to tv (either hdmi or component) then audio (optical) to receiver. Any lip sync problems?

I route my video through my receiver. The receiver has no idea what kind of delay it needs to put in, because it's unaware (as far as I know) of what's on the other end of the component cables and I didn't tell it to do any delaying.

Thus, I'm pretty much doing what you want, which is splitting video to the tv and audio to the receiver.

the answer to both dishnetwork and dvd 480P is that there is no noticeable sync problems, with the caveat that a alot depends on the source material.
even OTA HD had sync problems with the Fran dresser show, but not with american idol. I have not noticed any sync issues with DVD

I won't have time to reroute my equipment, so the only thing going to the tv only will be the PS2 (component and white/red audio to Component2)

I've only seen one post on how ps2 games look on this and it was not good. Has anyone else given this a try?

Looks like many people (including me) are holding off on their HLR purchase decisions until the audio lag/lip-sync issues are better understood. Any thoughts on whether other DLP sets (like Toshiba) or LCD RP sets (like Sony) would be more or less prone to these issues? A related problem that somebody pointed out related to the inability of HLR to pass through 5.1 dolby digital through its audio out. Assuming its confirmed, is it fair to assume that its an HLR-specific problem?

Thanks!

Originally posted by Vik
Looks like many people (including me) are holding off on their HLR purchase decisions until the audio lag/lip-sync issues are better understood. Any thoughts on whether other DLP sets (like Toshiba) or LCD RP sets (like Sony) would be more or less prone to these issues? A related problem that somebody pointed out related to the inability of HLR to pass through 5.1 dolby digital through its audio out. Assuming its confirmed, is it fair to assume that its an HLR-specific problem?

Thanks!

I can not imagine that this is a Samsung only issue. I also don't think that the passing of 5.1 DD is a limitation of the Samsung TV. It is more of a limitation of the cable box.

Samsung spec sheet indicates that the brightness numbers (in cd/m2) for various HLRs are as follows:
4266W 1000
4667W 1000
5067W 900
5667W 700
6167W 600

I briefly saw 4667W in a store and it appeared pretty bright (with a great picture). I am considering 6167W, but haven't seen it. Any comments from 6167 owners on its brightness (of course its only one factor in overall PQ)?

Thanks!

Maybe I am missing something here, but the only way to get a DD 5.1 signal into the HLRxx67 series is through the HDMI port. The only other audio in is L/R audio (no way to make this into DD 5.1). Once you get your audio in through the HDMI port you then have the option of what format you want it to be output in through the optical out port (PCM or Dolby). Once you get DD 5.1 into the set, it would appear that the set will pass it out.

I was the proud owner of a new HLR6167 this morning. Ordered it from Amazon-Office Depot, and paid for it with my credit card. Amazon tells when it will be shipped, etc. on "my account" page and the receipt they sent me. then this afternoon I happened to look at "my account" site again, and it had a little line at the bottom that said the total amount paid was refunded. No other explanation. I called customer service at office Depot and the lady said that meant they didn't have any and that basically I was SOL.

Popped my bubble big time :-(

Originally posted by gargoyle007
I was the proud owner of a new HLR6167 this morning. Ordered it from Amazon-Office Depot, and paid for it with my credit card. Amazon tells when it will be shipped, etc. on "my account" page and the receipt they sent me. then this afternoon I happened to look at "my account" site again, and it had a little line at the bottom that said the total amount paid was refunded. No other explanation. I called customer service at office Depot and the lady said that meant they didn't have any and that basically I was SOL.

Popped my bubble big time :-( I'm afraid this is one of those "if it sounds too good to be true..." deals. I still think someone screwed up in entering the price and when they realized what had happened, they killed the order.

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE DISH BOX 942 HDMI output is 5.1 ?

some of the lip sync issues may be due to the cable or satelittle boxes are out putting stereo from the HDMI cable and the tv is passing this through otherwise why even have an optical out on the tv?


quick way to test that would be:

try hdmi out of a dvd player to tv and then connect optical out of the tv to the receiver to see if these tvs can pass a 5.1 signal

why an hdmi out wouldn't be in 5.1 is beyond me , but i know my local cable company still hasn't activated there hdmi output on their boxes.

i think i am waiting for the 68 series, i would love to do the powerbuy but there are too many questions and its only another month.

should someone get a list of boxes that output 5.1 from the hdmi

Originally posted by kjongsma
I'm afraid this is one of those "if it sounds too good to be true..." deals. I still think someone screwed up in entering the price and when they realized what had happened, they killed the order.

According to Amazon, mine shipped today from Scottsdale, AZ.

Originally posted by gargoyle007
I was the proud owner of a new HLR6167 this morning. Ordered it from Amazon-Office Depot, and paid for it with my credit card. Amazon tells when it will be shipped, etc. on "my account" page and the receipt they sent me. then this afternoon I happened to look at "my account" site again, and it had a little line at the bottom that said the total amount paid was refunded. No other explanation. I called customer service at office Depot and the lady said that meant they didn't have any and that basically I was SOL.

Popped my bubble big time :-(

awww man sorry to hear that :(:rolleyes: :confused:

Hey guys,
Great input on the HLR's, very informative. I am leaning heavily toward the 5067W, but I have some concers about viewing distance considering the size of my living room(smallish). Distance from couch is about 9' and I have a chair also that is a few feet closer (around 7'). Is this too close for a 50" set? Now CNET's TV guide lists minimum viewing distance for 50" widescreen at 6.3', seems kinka close? Should I be looking at the 46" model instead? I'd rather go as big as I can b/c when I move to a bigger place obviously a bigger set would be better.

I took receipt of an HLR5067W this afternoon and have thus far been fairly disappointed in the set.

To begin, it makes a very loud buzzing noise, almost like the high-pitched buzz of a large bumblebee. It periodically gets louder and softer, but is always there. It's clearly coming from the back of the cabinet and switches off about 20 seconds after the TV is powered down.

I don't purport to be a videophile by any means, but I've also played with the set's settings in addition to my Philips 963SA DVD player and while I had a respectable picture this afternoon, the past few hours have looked like terrible MPEG compression with blotchy colors, almost like switching from 32-bit color in Windows down to 8-bit.

I've tried multiple movies, multiple settings, and can't get rid of the noise or the poor color. I guess tomorrow we'll see how responsive Samsung's customer service is. Of course, I am also more than willing to follow up if the resolution is a positive one.

I too ordered from Amazon and I heard from them that I should be getting it on Sat between 9am and 1pm

Has anyone hooked up their HLR xx67W to a pc using dvi yet? I'm thinking of buying one and using it partly as a computer monitor but i'm worried about some reports i'm hearing about the sharpness on the HD4 chip. How is reading text on this display and compared to HD2+?

Thanks.

Originally posted by crazipper
I took receipt of an HLR5067W this afternoon and have thus far been fairly disappointed in the set.

To begin, it makes a very loud buzzing noise, almost like the high-pitched buzz of a large bumblebee. It periodically gets louder and softer, but is always there. It's clearly coming from the back of the cabinet and switches off about 20 seconds after the TV is powered down.

I don't purport to be a videophile by any means, but I've also played with the set's settings in addition to my Philips 963SA DVD player and while I had a respectable picture this afternoon, the past few hours have looked like terrible MPEG compression with blotchy colors, almost like switching from 32-bit color in Windows down to 8-bit.

I've tried multiple movies, multiple settings, and can't get rid of the noise or the poor color. I guess tomorrow we'll see how responsive Samsung's customer service is. Of course, I am also more than willing to follow up if the resolution is a positive one.

I'm seriously thinking you might have yourself a lemon here. You may just want to make the exchange instead of playing freeze tag on the telphone a bunch of times. The give away is your description of a really loud buzz. That just shoudn't be.

just recieved my hlr5067w from best buy yesterday i am very dissapointed so far, i have directv and a panasonic dvd player via component cables, i am getting new hi def box on june 2 from cablevision, the picture is horrible, i have tried many different settings with each getting worse. I know standard def isnt supposed tobe all that great but it is unwatchable, i am hoping the new box with better cables changes things, i have 30 days to return it, my friends toshiba has a much better picture.

Another question for you HLRxx67W owners. When using the VGA input, do you have access to the color and tint controls? I'm hoping not, as this would bypass the color encoder/decoder so it shouldn't mess up the color.

Thanks.

Originally posted by NatGun
bhchan,
can you please try out a few games on your PS2 to check for lag? preferably a game with a timing-critical meter such as golf or football... this is basically the only question i have left before buying one of these sets for myself. seems like no one has directly addressed this issue yet.

3rd day's impression:
Well, got home at midnight and decided I'll give the PS2 another shot, so here's a rundown of what I found.
First off, the PS2 is connected directly to the TV via Component2. Sound also goes to the TV first.... I don't have long enough cabling to connect the sound to just the receiver. Sound then goes from the TV to my receiver. TV's internal mute is ON, so there's no sound coming from the TV itself.

Front Mission 4 looks ugly. Jagged lines, aliasing very evident. Ugly.
Then it dawned on me to check 4:3 mode instead of trying to force 16:9 (I had changed the PS2 to 16:9 in the system menu)
Front Mission 4, tv in 4:3 still looked blocky. *sigh*

not one to give up easily (well, at least not last night) I then popped in NBA Street 2, tv in 4:3 mode. The intro movie was very muddy. I was disappointed. But since I had it queued up, I thought I might as well play a game.
In game, turns out the screen isn't too bad. Definitely playable. No lag either, but then Shaq was always reacted a little slow when goal-tending. ;) It was playable, but there wasn't a meter to test against.
(Edit: by this, i meant that I press triangle to block the shot, shaq immediately starts to jump, but takes a while to actually get to the ball... the motion starts immediately with no lag evident)

There's a widescreen mode in the game options. I tried it but didn't notice a difference in the menus, so I kept the tv at 4:3. (I think 'widescreen' mode kicks in during the game, so I probably should've gone back to 16:9 once I was in the game proper...)

One quick note about 4:3 mode before I go on. There's no hourglassing! This is a HUGE HUGE improvement from all the SD 4:3 stuff I saw at the stores. That's right, the right and left side of the screen were razor sharp and ruler straight (as far as I can tell, at 1am in the morning)

Onwards to better things... GTA: San Andreas... in widescreen mode, the aliasing becomes evident when I switched the tv to 16:9 mode. HOWEVER, there's no lag at all. This is easiest to see when switching weapons. I press, I immediately see a weapon selection change. No lag visible.

Keeping the tv in 16:9, I thought I'd try 007 Everything or Nothing... this, my friends, is what you should demo the tv with! Seriously, the game totally rocked in widescreen. Seriously, this looked excellent. Responsive and totally playable. Seriously, i have to stop saying "seriously".

So, in summary:
1) PS2 is not going to look HD, what I was expecting was probably parsecs out of line.
2) PS2 is not going to look DVD-quality either... again, I think I was expecting too much.
3) PS2 is definitely playable, but how it looks is going to depend on what mode you set the TV in (16:9 only for those that support widescreen, 4:3 for the rest is a definite must... don't try to force it) and the game developer's graphics engine/ability.
4) There was no noticeable lag, but then, my twitch reflexes are so slow nowadays that I'm not surprised if I have more lag myself than the tv.
5) I think this is going to tide me over until the next gen console comes out, but if you were expecting pristine, sharp, beautiful content, you might be better off with a 32" SD CRT for the PS2.

6) there weren't any a/v sync problems.

Originally posted by JoeBloggz
Hey guys,
Great input on the HLR's, very informative. I am leaning heavily toward the 5067W, but I have some concers about viewing distance considering the size of my living room(smallish). Distance from couch is about 9' and I have a chair also that is a few feet closer (around 7'). Is this too close for a 50" set? Now CNET's TV guide lists minimum viewing distance for 50" widescreen at 6.3', seems kinka close? Should I be looking at the 46" model instead? I'd rather go as big as I can b/c when I move to a bigger place obviously a bigger set would be better.

I am 110" (9'2") away from my HLR5067 and it looks good.
when gaming on my PS2, because of the shortness of the stupid controller cables, I end up sitting about two feet closer.

I wouldn't worry too much... the general rule of thumb is 1.5 to 2.0 times the diagonal, so you should be ok from 75" to 100" away from the tv.

I've check the tv from various places in my house, including behind my couch (around 12' away), from the other room (around 20' away, 60 degrees offcenter), from almost directly to the side (5' away, around 140 degrees offcenter), and it's pretty amazing that, as long as the content you're feeding it is crisp and clean HD quality stuff, you're going to be amazed.

Feeding it garbage (like 480i/SD) is going to give you mixed results... dial down the expectation alot. It's tough, especially after viewing HDnet.

Something I have to keep reminding myself, unfortunately, is that a tv this good shows all the flaws of your input source, ironically enough. :(

Originally posted by JoeBloggz
I am leaning heavily toward the 5067W, but I have some concers about viewing distance considering the size of my living room(smallish). Distance from couch is about 9' and I have a chair also that is a few feet closer (around 7'). Is this too close for a 50" set? Now CNET's TV guide lists minimum viewing distance for 50" widescreen at 6.3', seems kinka close? Should I be looking at the 46" model instead? I'd rather go as big as I can b/c when I move to a bigger place obviously a bigger set would be better.

I sit inside 10' and considered the 56" but worried it would be too big, so I got the 50". It is great for HD (fullscreen 16:9), but on 2.35:1 movies I could stand the extra size, because of the letterbox. I do NOT regret the purchase, and it is definitely "big enough", but given your circumstances you should not hesitate to get the 50, unless all you do is watch 16:9 content.

I will vouch for the fact that the TV will look bigger in your house than in the store!

-Breddy

Originally posted by mikedan1
just recieved my hlr5067w from best buy yesterday i am very dissapointed so far, i have directv and a panasonic dvd player via component cables, i am getting new hi def box on june 2 from cablevision, the picture is horrible, i have tried many different settings with each getting worse. I know standard def isnt supposed tobe all that great but it is unwatchable, i am hoping the new box with better cables changes things, i have 30 days to return it, my friends toshiba has a much better picture.

just in case you're like me and didn't change the TV's mode,
on the bottom of the remote, there's a little flip/slide cover that hides the 'p-set' button, which is quite important in that it allows you to switch from 16:9 to 4:3 to other zoom modes.

I know my experience isn't going to be the same as yours, but I found a huge jump in watchability of SD material (PS2 included) when it finally dawned on me to switch to 4:3 mode instead of trying to force it to go 16:9.

But, i think with a sharp tv like this, you really have to get HD stuff to go with it to gain any real benefit of paying for a HD tv.

The panasonic DVD should've looked great though... I have an old/cheap Sony DVD and got reallly good output via component, watching Attack of the Clowns.

Originally posted by mikedan1
just recieved my hlr5067w from best buy yesterday i am very dissapointed so far, i have directv and a panasonic dvd player via component cables, i am getting new hi def box on june 2 from cablevision, the picture is horrible, i have tried many different settings with each getting worse. I know standard def isnt supposed tobe all that great but it is unwatchable, i am hoping the new box with better cables changes things, i have 30 days to return it, my friends toshiba has a much better picture.

What is your friend tuning his cable with? My Moto 6412 via DVI/HDMI on analog channels is almost unwatchable. But that cable box is known to have terrible analog tuning. Using the cable's tuner directly produces a very good picture, even in analog. HD, of course, is excellent.

Also, I found some DVD's to be marginal -- the source is important here. Look at a Superbit DVD for some good eye candy. My original 5th Element looks good, but The Incredibles looks fantastic.

The down side of these displays is that you can out-resolve most "legacy" content so you start seeing how bad we used to have it :) If what you are looking for is a smooth non-pixelated picture, I believe you will be disappointed with the Toshiba set (assuming it is the xxHM64; an HD2+ unit).

-Breddy

Originally posted by AkaStp
Looks like Amazon dropped the price of the HLR5067 back down to the $2K level.

Wow, looks like they did. No more free shipping but I wonder whats up with their price then. Is it a mistake? Seems low.

I have received a confirmation email from Office Depot re: My HLR5067w - Called to get tracking # and was told it was being shipped by freight (I guess this is normal for large items and may get better handling) The Office Depot tech returned my call and I also received a call from the freight company. Set should arrive Tuesday - Yes I am excited!!

Ordered the TR46x3 Stand from Data Vision in NY it should arrive Monday or Tuesday. $254 incl shipping - the stand weighs more than the TV.

The Amazon/Office Depot price does seem too good to be true - Has anyone actually received their set yet? I did check the price at CC yesterday and their inventory has it at $2499 although they do not actually have any 50" in stock yet. They did have the 56" and it is a great looking set with a great picture.

Originally posted by bhchan
3rd day's impression:
Well, got home at midnight and decided I'll give the PS2 another shot, so here's a rundown of what I found.
First off, the PS2 is connected directly to the TV via Component2. Sound also goes to the TV first.... I don't have long enough cabling to connect the sound to just the receiver. Sound then goes from the TV to my receiver. TV's internal mute is ON, so there's no sound coming from the TV itself.

Front Mission 4 looks ugly. Jagged lines, aliasing very evident. Ugly.
Then it dawned on me to check 4:3 mode instead of trying to force 16:9 (I had changed the PS2 to 16:9 in the system menu)
Front Mission 4, tv in 4:3 still looked blocky. *sigh*

not one to give up easily (well, at least not last night) I then popped in NBA Street 2, tv in 4:3 mode. The intro movie was very muddy. I was disappointed. But since I had it queued up, I thought I might as well play a game.
In game, turns out the screen isn't too bad. Definitely playable. No lag either, but then Shaq was always reacted a little slow when goal-tending. ;) It was playable, but there wasn't a meter to test against.
(Edit: by this, i meant that I press triangle to block the shot, shaq immediately starts to jump, but takes a while to actually get to the ball... the motion starts immediately with no lag evident)

There's a widescreen mode in the game options. I tried it but didn't notice a difference in the menus, so I kept the tv at 4:3. (I think 'widescreen' mode kicks in during the game, so I probably should've gone back to 16:9 once I was in the game proper...)

One quick note about 4:3 mode before I go on. There's no hourglassing! This is a HUGE HUGE improvement from all the SD 4:3 stuff I saw at the stores. That's right, the right and left side of the screen were razor sharp and ruler straight (as far as I can tell, at 1am in the morning)

Onwards to better things... GTA: San Andreas... in widescreen mode, the aliasing becomes evident when I switched the tv to 16:9 mode. HOWEVER, there's no lag at all. This is easiest to see when switching weapons. I press, I immediately see a weapon selection change. No lag visible.

Keeping the tv in 16:9, I thought I'd try 007 Everything or Nothing... this, my friends, is what you should demo the tv with! Seriously, the game totally rocked in widescreen. Seriously, this looked excellent. Responsive and totally playable. Seriously, i have to stop saying "seriously".

So, in summary:
1) PS2 is not going to look HD, what I was expecting was probably parsecs out of line.
2) PS2 is not going to look DVD-quality either... again, I think I was expecting too much.
3) PS2 is definitely playable, but how it looks is going to depend on what mode you set the TV in (16:9 only for those that support widescreen, 4:3 for the rest is a definite must... don't try to force it) and the game developer's graphics engine/ability.
4) There was no noticeable lag, but then, my twitch reflexes are so slow nowadays that I'm not surprised if I have more lag myself than the tv.
5) I think this is going to tide me over until the next gen console comes out, but if you were expecting pristine, sharp, beautiful content, you might be better off with a 32" SD CRT for the PS2.

6) there weren't any a/v sync problems.

Pick up God of War and play in Progressive Scan... drool. Repeat... haha

Also, try Gran Turismo 4... run it in 1080i, once again drool... just wait until PS3 comes out w/ HDMI direct and 720p in all games w/ DD 5.1 surround... that'll be nice.

~Lance

That's what happens when you blow up a PS2's crappy graphics on an awesome BSTV. Some of my employees have done the same on a 70" XBR and wow did it look terrible.

Sorry to butt in on the owners thread, since I'm not yet an owner - but can someone who has the 4667W please measure the vertical and horizonal dimensions of the screen (as opposed to the diagonal measurement you tend to see on spec sheets) and let me know what the measurements are?

I suppose I should be able to figure that out based on the diagonal measurement, but I'm terrible at geometry. :p

Thanks very much.

Sorry to butt in on the owners thread, since I'm not yet an owner - but can someone who has the 4667W please measure the vertical and horizonal dimensions of the screen (as opposed to the diagonal measurement you tend to see on spec sheets) and let me know what the measurements are?

I suppose I should be able to figure that out based on the diagonal measurement, but I'm terrible at geometry. :p

Thanks very much.

I'm not an owner either, but using geometry, the approximate screen dimensions should be 40" wide and 22.5" high for the 46"diagonal model.

I'm not an owner either, but using geometry, the approximate screen dimensions should be 40" wide and 22.5" high for the 46"diagonal model.

Thanks, you're smart.

That's what happens when you blow up a PS2's crappy graphics on an awesome BSTV. Some of my employees have done the same on a 70" XBR and wow did it look terrible.

Yeah, you definitely need an Iscan or some device like that in those kinds of situations. :p

While we're on the PS2 topic...

Has anyone else who has used PS2 on the TV through component cables noticed that the image does not fill the entire screen? On my set I have about an inch of black on each side of the picture... even on widecreen settings on games there are still the sections on each side of the screen with no picture...

~Lance

While we're on the PS2 topic...

Has anyone else who has used PS2 on the TV through component cables noticed that the image does not fill the entire screen? On my set I have about an inch of black on each side of the picture... even on widecreen settings on games there are still the sections on each side of the screen with no picture...

~Lance


With PS2, most of those games aren't even Pro Scan, so there really is no "widescreen mode" that's going give you PS2 games with perfect 16:9 ratio.

Hi all, I have been lurking here for a while trying to figure out what to buy. Great Info!

When i saw the amazon price the other day for a HL-R5067W, I ordered it right away because I was ready and because of the price. (Free shipping and the original quoted price)

I picked it up at local NJ EagleUSA site on Saturday

It was sitting in their warehouse since weds (i ordered it on tuesday) and they did not call to schedule a delivery. I called them on saturday and they said I could either pick it up or schedule a delivery. I took out the seat in the mini van and drove up and got it.

Everything worked out and TV is working great!

I have a Bravo D2 via DVI to HDMI input.

I have a Denon 3805S upconverting my old replays

TV Guide still not working yet. Maybe this is why I can not label channels yet.

I have limited basic cable and used the Auto program feature to find channels --It found 300! It took me awhile to filter them out to the desire set of 20. It also picked up about 30 digital music stations too. (still can not assign labels)

Will keep you posted as i explore it more

Hi all, I have been lurking here for a while trying to figure out what to buy. Great Info!

When i saw the amazon price the other day for a HL-R5067W, I ordered it right away because I was ready and because of the price. (Free shipping and the original quoted price)

I picked it up at local NJ EagleUSA site on Saturday

It was sitting in their warehouse since weds (i ordered it on tuesday) and they did not call to schedule a delivery. I called them on saturday and they said I could either pick it up or schedule a delivery. I took out the seat in the mini van and drove up and got it.

Everything worked out and TV is working great!

I have a Bravo D2 via DVI to HDMI input.

I have a Denon 3805S upconverting my old replays

TV Guide still not working yet. Maybe this is why I can not label channels yet.

I have limited basic cable and used the Auto program feature to find channels --It found 300! It took me awhile to filter them out to the desire set of 20. It also picked up about 30 digital music stations too. (still can not assign labels)

Will keep you posted as i explore it more

Nice! I get mine Wednesday. How was the packing/shipping from Eagle? Any problems?

I stopped at Best Buy and saw the set; it's a hot tv and I cannot wait! I'll order some DVI->HDMI and other cables once I get it...

My tv from Amazon is in my city - I should receive it in a few days. I'm starting to get really ticked off about the order though when I read that I may have audio sync problems when connecting to a receiver! That is rediculous! And the fact HDMI only passes two channels when Toshiba's seem to work correctly.

ARGH! I will be furious if I can not connect the tv the way I anticipated with a receiver(which was really only DVI or component though).

I would go to eagle's website (can't post URL yet -- eaglegl) with your amazon tracking number and watch when it arrives in your area. Call them when it gets scanned in their warehouse. They deliver M-F, but you can pick it up any day.

They had it two days and did not call to schedule delivery, so I called them. They were very nice and helped me load in my vehicle. I do not think anything larger than a 50" will fit in a mini van though.

The invoice specified the following delivery service: Carry in, unpack, remove packing materiel. I was expecting curb side delivery.

how much the tv weigh based on eaglegl? Mine shows around 120 lbs but shipping weight is supposed to be 91 lbs? Maybe they sent me the 60" :)

After reading and learning about HDTV's from this forum since last November, I (finally!) decided on the HL-R5067 and received it from TVAuthority at the end of last week. The delivery guy earned his tip by helping me unpack and lift the TV into position.

My first impression was that it was huge! Given that I was upgrading from an old 27" Wega, I guess that's to be expected. Sitting 11' away, I've quickly grown used to the size - I was initially considering the 46", and I'm glad I stepped up to the 50". It's great that Samsung gives these size options.

I think the TV looks great - I'm really happy with the 'floating screen' desing. And (in response to a previous post) I didn't find the plastic casing to feel any more cheap than comparable sets.

It took me a couple days to upgrade my box to an HD DVR, but I was able to tune in the unscrambled HD channels - and, wow, did the HD look great. I found myself watching anything - as long as it was HD. Now I have an SA 8300, but I'm not satisfied with Cablevision's meager selection of HD channels. Don't even have DiscoveryHD. I'm also not too happy about the amount of content on HD channels that is actually not in HD.

Having seen some really crappy looking SD on other HDTVs, I am impressed with how decent it can be on this set. It has really turned out better than my expectations. Maybe it also helps that I sit a bit farther than usual...

I watched Attack of the Clones on a cheap Sony progressive DVD player. It's clearly not HD, but at least it impressed my guests. I am using a digital audio connection from the DVD player to a receiver and did not detect any video lag issues.

To try out the HD on demand, watched a Shark's Tale - while the movie is forgettable, the picture quality was great. I am using the settings previously posted by bhchan: Contrast 60, Brightness 55, Sharpness 0, Color 52, color temp - normal. The video is connected using component cables.

I don't yet have audio from the cable box hooked up to my receiver, so can't comment on audio synch. I assume if I do detect any video lag, it will be a function of the output format. Currently both the cable box and the TV state that I'm watching 1080i (on all channels) - and I can't figure out how to change that - to 720p, for example. I change the 'picture - format' on the SA 8300 and it doesn't have any effect...

I ran the TV Guide set-up this morning to see what it's all about. Pushing the TV Guide button on the remote it says, "Not available in the current mode" - I guess I need to give it more time to initialize.

A couple last comments: the auto clock functionality doesn't appear to work and the remote befits a $25 product, not something 100 times that.

Taking a que from others, I called the local Eagle warehouse, TV arrived Friday, They deliver to my area on tuesdays and thursdays, so should have it tomoorow between 12 and 5.

She Said "It was here friday, no one called you to schedule?"

Someone might have called today, But I am glad i checked it out.

Now I Need to get the stand this afternoon!

how much the tv weigh based on eaglegl? Mine shows around 120 lbs but shipping weight is supposed to be 91 lbs? Maybe they sent me the 60" :)
Shipping companies use dimensional weight, which is based on the size of the box. The physical weight is less than 100 pounds...

jensph, are you running all video and audio through a receiver first? For both cable box and dvd?

Taking a que from others, I called the local Eagle warehouse, TV arrived Friday, They deliver to my area on tuesdays and thursdays, so should have it tomoorow between 12 and 5.

She Said "It was here friday, no one called you to schedule?"

Someone might have called today, But I am glad i checked it out.

Now I Need to get the stand this afternoon!

Has your tracking information updated online? Mine still shows 5/25 estimated delivery with this detailed information:

Event Date Time Event Location Signature / Remarks
In Transit 18-May-05 19:30 MDT -Harrisburg
Pickup 18-May-05 19:00 MDT -Harrisburg
Scanned 20-May-05 02:15

Picked up a 4667 on Saturday.

I've only watched SD material from my Directv box so far and it's beautiful. This will be most of my viewing and as such I'm very happy with the set. It perfectly fills the cabinet.

I was a little worried about viewing height as eye level when sitting on the couch 12' away is right at the bottom of the set. No problems. Not even a noticable change in brightness. Lay down on the couch, slightly dimmer. Lay down on the floor about 8' from the set and it's much dimmer, but still watchable.

Here's a pic: img.photobucket(dot)com/albums/v417/joebar32/Sam/newtv(dot)jpg

Next step is to hook up an antenna and pull some wires so I can set up my dvd changer from the basement. Speaking of which, the Directv box, vcr and dvd are in the basement. If you're looking for a remote extender, I highly recommend this: nghp(dot)net/products(dot)htm

[too new to post urls, you'll have to cut paste and edit]

Shipping and sync issues deserve their own threads. ;)

Try it. You'll like it.

This is my first hd/widescreen tv, so I guess I'm kind of naive and can't give a real qualified opinion. Never the less, here are my $.02:

Received my HLR4667W on Friday through the TVA Powerbuy. Delivery company brought the set into the living room for my wife since I was at work. The set is lighter than it looks, around 70lb. My setup includes the HLR4667W, Onkyo TX-SR503 receiver, Samsung HD-850 dvd player, Directv H10 receiver (which is manufactured by Samsung according to the box it came in). Speakers are Polk RM6005, sub Polk PSW10. I went with the Sanus NF213 for the stand. It is black and goes well with the tv plus components since they are black and/or silver.

The tv was the last piece to my setup, although I still need to finish hanging/wiring my speakers. I unpacked it, set it on the stand, hooked up the dvd player to the hdmi input and the satellite box to component. First on was the satellite. I tuned to the hd channels and was blown away. Out of the box I'd say the settings were too bright, but the picture was amazing. SD quality varies. Garbage in, garbage out. For example, Fox Soccer Channel looks very grainy, almost unwatchable. Other sd channels fared much better, particularily the "premium" channels like HBO/Cinemax. All the hd channels are visually amazing. I will probably buy one of the calibration dvd's during the week and tweak things a bit.

Next I popped in a few dvd's. My 5yr old has been sucked into all the George Lucas hype so I bought him the Star Wars trilogy. Again I was amazed. We all watched the original that night. Also watched Finding Nemo and Saving Private Ryan over the weekend. TV viewing has now become an artform.

The HD850 is connected hdmi-->hdmi with its supplied cable. I did not notice any audio lag issues yet. I am still working on my speaker install so I have not been able to test the optical out. Hopefully the set will pass DD without lag from the dvd player to the receiver with this signal path. The satellite audio will be directly connected to the receiver via its own optical out.

One thing I'm very impressed with are the internal speakers. Like I said, I'm not done with my speaker install yet so I used the tv's. Sound was very wide and crisp, more than adequate for the living room it's in. I'm no opera fan, but I watched the Last Night at the Proms and was blown away by both the sights and sound of this show (it was produced in hd).

Fan noise is non-existant.

Build quality seems good, no cheaper or fancier than anything else in the same price/quality range.

Sometimes I see rainbows, more so on dvd's as opposed to satellite. I can make myself see them by scanning rapidly from one side of the screen to the other. I believe it is controllable, so I'll adjust how I view the tv to avoid most of them.

Black levels seem pretty good. Again, I'm no a/v junkie and can't give an expert opinion. But much of the dark colors in the Star Wars dvd's had great detail and seperation. My cousin commented that this tv handled blacks better than his 18 month old Sony lcd rptv.

Did not notice any smudging or silk screening. No real issues with artifacts either. Perhaps if I knew better what to look for I might see them.

I sit about 9ft from the tv. The 46 is good size for this distance. Anything bigger and I feel it would be hard to view the entire screen, meaning you'd have to scan sections of the screen to see the big picture. Too much work for me, I'd rather take it all in at once.

To summarize, I think the tv is great so far. I'm still in puppy love with it. Once I push its limitations and find some weaknesses/problems I'll post some more. Maybe even post a pic when I'm all done.

ps...also bought a Harmony H659 remote. A little confusing and tedious to setup but once functioning works great.

final impressions:

got a price match from where I bought it against A*'s excellent deal. not a full match, unfortunately, but still, some $$ back is better than $0, right? So I ended up spending $400 more than the A* deal, instead of $600... slightly less painful and allows me to consider getting either a new DVD player (HD950?) or an Xbox to supplement the ugly PS2. :D

Onwards to my weekend's impression...
the tv's finally settling down into my home. It looks a lot smaller now than it did on day 1. I feel like I should've gone 61" after all. 50" just looks so tiny now. (don't even ask me about my old 22-ish" sony upstairs!)

DVD: Noticed some more sync problems every now and then. It's very transient, in that it comes and goes. I know Han Solo shot Greedo first, but I swear the TV makes it look otherwise. ;) All kidding aside, there was a slight sync issue during A New Hope when Leah chatted with Vader at the beginning. It went away soon after that... came back again a little later. Luckily, I never notice lipsync issues with Vader, and that's what really matters, right? :D (sorry, watched episode 3 this weekend and am going through 4, 5, and 6 now)

TV: If you have satellite, be prepared to be disappointed. Not by the TV, but by the limited amount of stuff to watch in beautiful HD. My OTA reception sucks and I don't have the energy to climb to my roof to add more equipment to my roofline (which is already suffering an ovoid grey shape) When HDNet or whatever you get do play something good though, it's heaven.
Again sync issues seem source material dependent. HD stuff is onsync 100%. SD stuff is a little more like playing russian roulette.

PS2: I'll stop harping on how sad I am with the PS2. Again, for those following this, it's not the TV's fault that the PS2 isn't HD. On a serious note, PS2 gamers do get great PS2 in 4:3 mode, if you can stomach having broad black bars on the side, so you're only seeing a 42" tv's worth of PS2-goodness. It's playable, which is the important thing, right?
I wish my hand-eye coordination was better so I can test the sync issue for everyone, but as far as I'm concerned, my inherent lag is much worse than any lag the TV might be showing... I don't think it's showing any though.

In summary: for a just slightly above $2k tv, I'm very happy with what I've gotten. It's not the best, it's not the worst. It's definitely above average as far as I can tell. I'll give it a A- overall, B+ if not considering the $$.

This is probably my last post on my impressions of the TV. I'm happy. I'm going to be watching it for at least 5 years, in which case, it'll be cheaper than my monthly satellite/cable subscription.

IMHO, your Contrast seems a bit low and Brightness a bit high. Give it a try with Contrast = 70 and Brightness = 50. The picture will probably "pop" a bit more.
You might also want to give Movie picture mode a try as it has a bit different scale and sets color temp = warm which is the 6500K temp setting that Samsung like to brag about.

well, it's what I got via DVE. Looks good on DVDs and TVs, but I did end up cranking contrast up a bit as you suggested, for the PS2.

I'm staying with 'normal' color temp, as it matches the DVE filters the best of the bunch...

Remember, your contrast/brightness setting depends alot on what your environment is, so my setting may not work well in your house. My walls are a slightly off-beige color and I've put up some black panels immediately behind the tv, so I don't need as much brightness. I also turn my ambiant lighting down a notch from normal and only have light behind the set.

So please, everyone use my (and other's) settings as only a guideline since it defintiely depends on your room, ambiant light, etc.

I just bought an HL-R5667W TV, Oppo DV971H DVD player, dish 811 receiver and have a few newbie questions and i want to tahnk you in advance for your answers:)

1) I m using an DVI to HDMI cable for all connections and since there is only one HDMI input on TV, I have to be manually taking the cable out and switiching between dish811 receiver and Oppo dvd player depending on what i want to watch. Can I drop down either dvd or dish receiver to component video and if so which one and is there any difference in quality?

2)When I connected, I can change setting on dvd player output to 720p and picture is great, however, when I change the output on dvd player to 1080i, all I see on my TV is a green screen but I can hear audio.
I thought this TV was capable of supporting 1080i resolution?

3) When viewing SD channels through dish 811 receiver, there is a black broder on sides? The picture from the HD channel seems fine.

4) Also, when I view DVD in 16:9 mode, the picture is cut off on my TV, on top and bottom even though my TV has a 16:9 aspect ratio. When I set the DVD mode to standard., then I get full screen coverage.

Appreciate your answers to these questions

fak005

I can answer some of those, as I have a dishnetwork 811 also:

1) component is fine. that's what I'm stuck with. I'm saving the HDMI for a DVD player. :) So yeah, go ahead and component your 811.

2) I had a similar problem when I was using a Samsung 19" LCD with a 480p player. Switching the player cause green-ness or other wierdness, if the tv is already on and connected and receiving signal from the DVD player. The thing to do is to change source before changing from P to I, otherwise your tv will be confused. I believe the tv tests mode when you change channels/source, so if it thinks you're feeding it a progressive and you switch on it, it'll get confused. At least the Samsung 19" LCD did. I haven't done that with the HLR5067 because I don't want to break it. :D

3) yes. the 811 puts the black in, which is better than the default grey, which some channels or the tv puts in. Worse is the silly "HD" pillar that I sometimes see in ESPN-HD.

4) dunno, I don't have your DVD player.