I'm a Comcast customer in Atlanta on the Vinings headend and also lost TVGOS a couple of weeks ago. In my area Comcast is (was) simulcasting an analog version of Channel 8 (PBS) as channel 97 on the digital tier to provide TVGOS VBI data. The diagnostic screen indicates no host channel has been found but clock is correct, the same as you. I opened a trouble report with Gemstar and they are supposed to contact Comcast but I don't have high hopes that anything will be resolved.

It's interesting that a Charter customer is having same problem in this area. Is it possible that the VBI data stream is hosed either at the broadcast station or Gemstar download??

The technician from Charter (Athens, GA) who came out to my house said they get their feed for PBS Channel 8 via a fiber optic link to a cable system in Gwinnett county...so sounds like that may be where the filtering of the VBI data is going on. I have confirmed visually that the over the air signal has the extra VBI data (you can see the absence of it in the cable feed), and after connecting an external antenna, adding channel 8 OTA to the channel list, and forcing this to be the host channel, I am now getting all of the listings again. Also opened a ticket with TVGOS to contact Charter, but doubtful of any luck. Kind of a clunky way to get my listings back, but at least they are back.

....everytime the TVGuide signal is lost "due to a change I have made", when it comes back all the stations are messed up again....
Is there a way to ensure that when the guide data comes back it comes back a certain way ?Get a UPS.

In the end, I suspect that TVGuide is just not providing any listsings for qubo. If they actually had customer support it would be easy enough for them to rectify, or to explain how they don't really care about minor channels so long as the major ones are covered (which is probably their real reason).Get the QUBO information OTA from TVGOS just fine here in Chicago. In fact, have always gotten all the info for the PAX subchannels.

Call them up and bug them about it.

Get the QUBO information OTA from TVGOS just fine here in Chicago. In fact, have always gotten all the info for the PAX subchannels.

Call them up and bug them about it.

In Chicago we get the listing, but it is not detailed. They tell you the name of the program, but nothing more.

My three year old daughter likes one of their programs. (Sitting Ducks) So, I recorded a bunch of them. She has decided that she likes one of the episodes more than the rest. Without detailed listings it took us a while before we found the recording that she was referring to.

Admittly it's the best listing around. Even the Qubo website does not carry listings for their 24/7 channel.

The technician from Charter (Athens, GA) who came out to my house said they get their feed for PBS Channel 8 via a fiber optic link to a cable system in Gwinnett county...so sounds like that may be where the filtering of the VBI data is going on. I have confirmed visually that the over the air signal has the extra VBI data (you can see the absence of it in the cable feed), and after connecting an external antenna, adding channel 8 OTA to the channel list, and forcing this to be the host channel, I am now getting all of the listings again. Also opened a ticket with TVGOS to contact Charter, but doubtful of any luck. Kind of a clunky way to get my listings back, but at least they are back.

TVGOS is now acknowledging that a problem exists in the Atlanta area due to several more customer complaints and has dispatched a local Atlanta contractor to begin tracing the signal from the PBS station. The dispatch was this morning so hopefully some resolution will occur soon.

In Chicago we get the listing, but it is not detailed. They tell you the name of the program, but nothing more.

My three year old daughter likes one of their programs. (Sitting Ducks) So, I recorded a bunch of them. She has decided that she likes one of the episodes more than the rest. Without detailed listings it took us a while before we found the recording that she was referring to.

Admittly it's the best listing around. Even the Qubo website does not carry listings for their 24/7 channel.Well, I don't know why you don't get them, but I actually DO get detailed listings for QUBO on my Sony DVR, with it's version 8 TVGOS (from OTA channel 11).

Well, I don't know why you don't get them, but I actually DO get detailed listings for QUBO on my Sony DVR, with it's version 8 TVGOS (from OTA channel 11).

I just started getting the listings yesterday morning. (Sure after I post, I go home and they are there! ;) ) I just think that Qubo is still scrambling to get things together and be recognized as a stand alone channel. What I've seen so far, I like.

My unit will accept scheduled recordings, and at the appointed time will switch to the correct station and start to record for 5-10 seconds but then stop recording.

Likewise, if I'm watching a station and I hit the record button, it will seem to take the command for a couple of seconds but then stop the recording process.

Has anybody encountered this behavior? Is there a fix? All else is well with my HDD500. The pause, rewind, and play of a live station works fine.

My unit will accept scheduled recordings, and at the appointed time will switch to the correct station and start to record for 5-10 seconds but then stop recording.

Likewise, if I'm watching a station and I hit the record button, it will seem to take the command for a couple of seconds but then stop the recording process.

Has anybody encountered this behavior? Is there a fix? All else is well with my HDD500. The pause, rewind, and play of a live station works fine.

I have had same problem, and if you check the recording history list it will say "recording not permitted by provider". Search this thread for more details, some say a reboot of unit will help. I usually had the problem with HDNet movies channel, though less so recently.

I have had same problem, and if you check the recording history list it will say "recording not permitted by provider". Search this thread for more details, some say a reboot of unit will help. I usually had the problem with HDNet movies channel, though less so recently.



I'll try a reboot. It's happening on all channels.

I have had same problem, and if you check the recording history list it will say "recording not permitted by provider". Search this thread for more details, some say a reboot of unit will help. I usually had the problem with HDNet movies channel, though less so recently.


Soft reboot did not fix the problem. Any ideas out there?

Soft reboot did not fix the problem. Any ideas out there?

If you have a motorola cable card then you need the 4.21 firmware on it. The 4.05 firmware is not field upgradable because of the same recording bugs you are seeing. So you need to swap cards until you get one that doesn't have 4.05, note older firmware will be field upgradable.

I just started getting the listings yesterday morning. (Sure after I post, I go home and they are there! ;) ) I just think that Qubo is still scrambling to get things together and be recognized as a stand alone channel. What I've seen so far, I like.To be fair, I hadn't even checked them until yesterday :) . I just knew for sure that the channel was in the guide.

If you have a motorola cable card then you need the 4.21 firmware on it. The 4.05 firmware is not field upgradable because of the same recording bugs you are seeing. So you need to swap cards until you get one that doesn't have 4.05, note older firmware will be field upgradable.


Nope, I have the Scientific Atlanta Model 0600, Version 0010. Other diagnostic readings that might help you help me:

Bootroom version 115
OS Build 2.3.148s.2

Any clues?

Not sure if you remember me but I posted last yr that I was having problems with Comcast changing my analog ch 17 to a digital ch which was always my host Ch WLRN PBS. I think I was one of the early ones to state they were doing this. I was using cablecard cable only for the first 9 months with no problems until they changed the signal from analog to digital. If you also remember my delimea, during the time I was having all my problems, my DVR was defaulting as the host to Ch 97 however it was just a blank channel with no signal but yet the DVR was showing that ch as the host. I tried everything to get Comcast to understand and no help. So with the help of folks here I bought a indoor antenea at radio shack and within days of hooking that up I was back getting guide data consistently everyday, so....it's been quite a few months since then and everything working great. So with the my new indoor antena I ended up forcing the host to OTA Ch 17 analog and I had guide data within the next day and have been using it like that since.

I've been working on both OTA and cable still using my cablecard. I'm also using a splitter and 2 cablecards, so I can watch tv and record something diff at the same time.

So last night I was surfing the channels thru the DVR and I happen to be around channels 80 thru 102 (I don't usually hang around these channels since nothing of interest is on those #'s) and I passed Ch 94 and it said WLRN PBS and the signal was there from that station, so I said what the heck? FINALLY Comcast mirrored the channel. So to be sure I checked Ch 94 in the diagnostics and sure enough it Ch 94 is an analog ch. So I then checked the VBI and sure enough Ch 94 is passing the VBI test.

So last night I disconnected my indoor antenna, ran a scan for cable only, got the message please wait 24 hrs while your guide data populates. This morning I have guide data and my host is the mirror channel 94. Comcast finally got there act together and mirrored the once analog ch 17 to ch 94.

Since cable companies are going to all digital more and more people will see this same senario. I can only hope that my bugging Comcast about it (even though they pretended not to understand anything I was saying) and my hopes that my ticket # with TV Guide helped further this along. I had even sent an email to TV guide station in my area complaining what Comcast did by not providng an analog station for PBS WLRN in my area. Unfortunately YOU have to be a squeeky wheel to get the grease. I'm sure this info has already been repeated here but wanted to share mine again since I just stumbled upon this last night.

I'm sure this is a silly question but can you record cable and OTA at the same time?

I'm sure this is a silly question but can you record cable and OTA at the same time?

With 2 DVR's.

TVGOS is now acknowledging that a problem exists in the Atlanta area due to several more customer complaints and has dispatched a local Atlanta contractor to begin tracing the signal from the PBS station. The dispatch was this morning so hopefully some resolution will occur soon.


Bidweld,

Where can I get more info on the TVGOS problem in Atlanta? I'm on Comcast cable and lost my TVGOS about a week ago. I'd like to file a complaint, but I'm not sure where to start. I'd be glad to add my voice to the conversation.

For those still searching for one, an eBay seller is offering them right now (1/14, ~Midnight) for a decent price. A little bit more than what Sony Outlet payers paid. Just make sure you get the one with the cables and remote...

Does anyone know if Sony or any other manufacturer announced any type of new DVR coming out soon at CES? These are sure great machines.

I looked through all the CES announcements and saw a few new DVD recorders (some with ATSC tuners) but none that recorded HD. I did not see any announcements at all from Sony on DVD recorders.

Does anyone know if Sony or any other manufacturer announced any type of new DVR coming out soon at CES? These are sure great machines.
I was at the show last week and did see that MOXI has a recorder that will do HD and it has its own guide with an ethernet connect to the internet through your modem. Looks good and they indicated that at least 2 hd tuners or more could be installed in the unit. The hard drive they talked about ( 300gb) sounded small, but If I remember correctly, you can add storage. They sounded though that they are an OEM that will make and sell through a second party and that is who would specify the type and number of tuners and drive size. Wish I had clearer information, but the place was crazy out there.
Sony has their digital media living system that is suppose to do what the DHG does and more. Seems like most all the big players are moving more toward a home media center based system to handle all the media recording and distribution in the home and some even to export to other devices outside the house. Did not really see any other dedicated HD DVRs other that the MOXI and of course the cable of dish boxes.
Did get to see the TVGOS people, rather briefly, and it was indicated that all the legacy boxes on analog will still be supported after the cutoff, whatever that means. Did not get to really pick their brains on this or anything else, as I got to their suite as they were breaking down things.Did get some contact information for them and will see if I can get to talk more with them.
Wished I had been able to spend more time at the show, but I was in class for 3 days taking audio calibrating and ISF training. These were well worth the time and money spent in class. Very eye opening.
Michael
Michael

Can this unit record cable and OTA at the same time? Sorry if this is a repeated question.

I looked through all the CES announcements and saw a few new DVD recorders (some with ATSC tuners) but none that recorded HD. I did not see any announcements at all from Sony on DVD recorders.

http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_room/consumer/computer_peripheral/desktops/release/27168.html

Althought it claims OTA HD recording, it doesn't say anything about QAM tuning. But, I didn't look too deep into it.

Can this unit record cable and OTA at the same time? Sorry if this is a repeated question.

No. It has a single tuner and so can only record one at a time.


Mitch

http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_room/consumer/computer_peripheral/desktops/release/27168.html

Althought it claims OTA HD recording, it doesn't say anything about QAM tuning. But, I didn't look too deep into it.

Not sure about that one but this one should since it has Calecard capability:

http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_room/consumer/computer_peripheral/desktops/release/27035.html

Not sure about that one but this one should since it has Calecard capability:

http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_room/consumer/computer_peripheral/desktops/release/27035.html

Wow - looks nice, with a blue-ray burner. But $3300? Ouch.

Not sure about that one but this one should since it has Calecard capability:

http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_room/consumer/computer_peripheral/desktops/release/27035.html

What OS is it running. What is the interface like? Do I need a keyboard in my living room at all times? $3300 isn't that bad for a computer with those specs...considering just the blu-ray burner will set you back about $1000.

How stable is the OS is the big question...do I have to reboot once a week, will it crash right before a scheduled recording? We know the the HDD250/500 run on a version of Linux, but if this is on Windows Vista...I'm just scared.

Yeah, it's Windows Vista, otherwise it looks pretty good. Now we know why Sony hasn't come out with an updated version of the HDD500.

I would think you only need the remote and not the keyboard if you just want to use it as a DVR. Now if you could add an internal card with a second QAM tuner and cablecard slot...

Does anyone know if Sony or any other manufacturer announced any type of new DVR coming out soon at CES? These are sure great machines.
The Ubicod UHM-700H (http://www.ubicod.com/sub02_1_umh700h.html) is coming soon. The specs do not mention QAM, but the sales manager told me via email that the tuner supports QAM.

Those of us that do have good guide data should be blessed. Looks like a lot of people with DirecTv had issues last night (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=76381) trying to record "24".

I really do think that our Sonys are under rated machines. I am one of the lucky ones with good guide data and I have not had any issues with mine missing or not being able to playback a recording. Its funny how the Sonys worked right out of the box, yet after many software updates and downloads, the D* DVR is still having issues (and now their D*Tivo is starting to have issues too).

The Ubicod UHM-700H (http://www.ubicod.com/sub02_1_umh700h.html) is coming soon. The specs do not mention QAM, but the sales manager told me via email that the tuner supports QAM.
Did he say anything about the price?
Does it have a pass-thru option without any upconversion?
Anything on a release date?

Thanks.

Bidweld,

Where can I get more info on the TVGOS problem in Atlanta? I'm on Comcast cable and lost my TVGOS about a week ago. I'd like to file a complaint, but I'm not sure where to start. I'd be glad to add my voice to the conversation.


Well, I posted earlier as to my problems as well. I have not been getting any listings or updates for about three weeks in the Decatur/Atlanta area and the diagnostics menu listed nothing for my host channel. I'm on Comcast cable as well.

I purchased a passive OTA antenna this past Friday,autoscanned for OTA channels and by Sat. morning I had a host channel (PBS Ch8) and by Sunday morning my listings were back.

I don't know what the issues are and asking Comcast was zero help. I'm glad to have it up and running again however and I'm hoping/keeping my fingers crossed that this solution will hold.

Well, I posted earlier as to my problems as well. I have not been getting any listings or updates for about three weeks in the Decatur/Atlanta area and the diagnostics menu listed nothing for my host channel. I'm on Comcast cable as well.

I purchased a passive OTA antenna this past Friday,autoscanned for OTA channels and by Sat. morning I had a host channel (PBS Ch8) and by Sunday morning my listings were back.

I don't know what the issues are and asking Comcast was zero help. I'm glad to have it up and running again however and I'm hoping/keeping my fingers crossed that this solution will hold.

That was my solution as well, and it worked well until yesterday when I suddenly lost all of my listings again; hopefully this was caused by the cable outage we had yesterday for three hours. You wouldn't think cable outage would affect the OTA feed, but who knows. Overnight though I still didn't get any listings and host channel is still blank...so crossing my fingers it is not a Channel 8 transmitter problem. Still waiting to get update on problem ticket I started with TVGOS on Jan. 7. As of last week they acknowledged the Atlanta area problem and had "elevated its status".

Bidweld,

Where can I get more info on the TVGOS problem in Atlanta? I'm on Comcast cable and lost my TVGOS about a week ago. I'd like to file a complaint, but I'm not sure where to start. I'd be glad to add my voice to the conversation.

You can reach TVGOS technical support at 1-800-386-7380 to file a trouble report. I was told that several users from the Atlanta area had been reporting the loss of the guide info but as of today, I still have the problem with Comcast cable. I haven't tried connecting OTA yet.

That was my solution as well, and it worked well until yesterday when I suddenly lost all of my listings again; hopefully this was caused by the cable outage we had yesterday for three hours. You wouldn't think cable outage would affect the OTA feed, but who knows. Overnight though I still didn't get any listings and host channel is still blank...so crossing my fingers it is not a Channel 8 transmitter problem. Still waiting to get update on problem ticket I started with TVGOS on Jan. 7. As of last week they acknowledged the Atlanta area problem and had "elevated its status".
What I did after I had the same problem at my girlfriends, was a force host for the ota host channel. Also, having a signal level analyzer, I was able to set the antenna for best signal. I had to add an amp to the line so I could get a stronger antenna output to my Sony.
I would not think that the cable outage should have any relation to the OTA feed. If you could tweak your antenna to get a better picture and I suggest also doing a force host for the OTA host channel to see if that helps. I did have a problem with my OTA host before I went to CES and I was able to tweak it for better reception and signal strength (using my meter again). I am fairly close to all the stations, so the direction that I should use for channel 8 is opposite to the other stations. So I have my antenna in the attic pointed about wsw. That being the opposite of channel 8s direction which is east of me. The antenna is a DB2 uhf. This has worked good for a while. Had been using a combo mid-sized antenna, but when the leaves came out, I was losing some stations. Now I am back and forth with these two antennas. I think that part of the signal problem comes from the stations from time to time. At least right now I get all the local stations with no problems. Without a meter, all you can do is to check with antennaweb.org and find out the best direction from where you are to point the antenna. I would think that being in Athens, that you should have no problems with reception. Doesn't channel 8 have a broadcast tower in Athens as well as the one on Stone Mountain, or am I confused as to their setup?
One other thought; Have you checked the VBI info on the ota host channel to see if it passes and how much data per minute is getting through?
Michael

Get a UPS.
Power outages are not my problem so I don't see how a UPS would help. I lose the TVGuide signal just like anyone else who uses this device for long enough.

any other ideas ?

see post 8260 for more details...

Hi,

I'm getting a new HD Projector, an Optoma HD70 and they do not come with a built in ATSC tuner.
I think i might buy a Sony DHG-HDD250 off ebay, but some come with no remote.
Is it possible to use this unit without the remote, or with a good universal remote?

Hi,

I'm getting a new HD Projector, an Optoma HD70 and they do not come with a built in ATSC tuner.
I think i might buy a Sony DHG-HDD250 off ebay, but some come with no remote.
Is it possible to use this unit without the remote, or with a good universal remote?

I have 2 of them, one hooked up to an HD72. I just use a harmony 880 remote (makes control easy for all my components), but you can buy the Sony $15 universal remote (the one with 4 macros) and it will work also.

I have 2 of them, one hooked up to an HD72. I just use a harmony 880 remote (makes control easy for all my components), but you can buy the Sony $15 universal remote (the one with 4 macros) and it will work also.

Cool thanks,
I'll definately try for one off ebay now.

Did he say anything about the price?
Does it have a pass-thru option without any upconversion?
Anything on a release date?

Thanks.
I'll try to find out.

I have had my 250 for about 1 year now and given it's quirks it is still a decent machine to record HD. I only use it for OTA to pick up 9 channels in the
Detroit area.

I have been able to edit the channel listings in the past by going into the MENU and moving them around, but everytime the TVGuide signal is lost "due to a change I have made" when it comes back all the stations are messed up again. This gets to be a long process since when the listings come back they include stations that I don't receive from other markets like Toledo.

Is there a way to ensure that when the guide data comes back it comes back a certain way ?

I would like to list it as:

2.1
4.1
7.1
9
20.1
50.1
56.1
56.2
62.1

But when it comes back I get

12, 12.1, 24, 24.1, 4.1, 4, 28, .......about 30 channels

If there is no way to have the listing come back the same way, is there a way to disable the channels (toledo stations) I don't want to view ever from populating in the guide ?

Thanks
As far as I know, you can not do what you are asking. I would check with your host station and be sure that they are not have problems. Also check to see what you packets per minute count is in the VBI test for your host. If they are low or with a lot of bad ones, then you may have to tweak your antenna for a better host signal. That is what had happen to me. My antenna had been knock around a bit and even though the tv showed a fuzzy picture, I had low and bad packet counts. I even got that same update message. After I set the antenna( I have a signal level analyzer) for the best signal and reception, I have not had any other problems.
Michael

Just got an Email from TVGOS and they know that there is a problem with the cable feed. They have had quite of few calls on this. They are working to resolve this. I am going to keep fussing with the cable company and put some pressure on them. Perhaps anyone else out there with the same problem can call them as well. They caused the problem at their headend and have been playing dumb for a month now. We need to make them act right.
Michael

Just got an Email from TVGOS and they know that there is a problem with the cable feed. They have had quite of few calls on this. They are working to resolve this. I am going to keep fussing with the cable company and put some pressure on them. Perhaps anyone else out there with the same problem can call them as well. They caused the problem at their headend and have been playing dumb for a month now. We need to make them act right.
Michael

Someone on Charter reported a few days ago that they had lost the guide info as well so maybe Comcast isn't the only culprit. Perhaps there is a problem with the fiber link from Channel 8 that feeds the data to cable cos. At any rate, I will also pressure Comcast to start debugging from their end. What contacts at Comcast do you suggest?

Just got an Email from TVGOS and they know that there is a problem with the cable feed. They have had quite of few calls on this. They are working to resolve this. I am going to keep fussing with the cable company and put some pressure on them. Perhaps anyone else out there with the same problem can call them as well. They caused the problem at their headend and have been playing dumb for a month now. We need to make them act right.
Michael

I received similar information - essentially that Comcast in Atlanta feed for PBS is missing line 13 of the VBI, whereas the OTA signal for Channel 8 has it intact. My cable company (Charter, Athens) apparently gets their feed from Comcast. Keep bugging 'em - I would too if I was a Comcast customer....maybe eventually they can be worn down.

Hi - Sorry if this has been covered, but I need the Sony Part Number for the AC Power Cord for either the DHG-HDD250 or the 500. I bought a 250 open-box and it didn't come with a power cord.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Hi - Sorry if this has been covered, but I need the Sony Part Number for the AC Power Cord for either the DHG-HDD250 or the 500. I bought a 250 open-box and it didn't come with a power cord.

Thanks for the suggestions.
You don't need a Sony power cord, you can go to Radio Shack and get one. :)

Yeah, it's Windows Vista, otherwise it looks pretty good. Now we know why Sony hasn't come out with an updated version of the HDD500.

I would think you only need the remote and not the keyboard if you just want to use it as a DVR. Now if you could add an internal card with a second QAM tuner and cablecard slot...

In the meantime Sony has released two real replacements for the DHG series if you're lucky enough to live in Japan. They feature both Blu-Ray recording and HDD in 250GB and 500GB capacities. Uses the Japanese version of TVGOS too.

IMAGE (http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20061003/bdzv9.jpg)

Or course they cost $2000 and $2500 respectively but better than running Vista.

In the meantime Sony has released two real replacements for the DHG series if you're lucky enough to live in Japan. They feature both Blu-Ray recording and HDD in 250GB and 500GB capacities. Uses the Japanese version of TVGOS too.

IMAGE (http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20061003/bdzv9.jpg)

Or course they cost $2000 and $2500 respectively but better than running Vista.

I hope they also offer replacements without Blu-Ray. Why would anyone want to record tv show on disc, especially at $20 each?

It's been a long time since I posted about my problem. I figured that maybe some of you are interested on an update.

My DHH500 was having problems with the cable card - digital channels disappearing. Only remedy was to reboot and/or re-seat the cablecard. Sometimes that did not work. I was hesitant to send the unit in for repairs because other times the digital channels would disappear as well as upper analog channels (...59, 60, 61...) getting very snowy. In this case the rebooting or re-seating the cable card did not fix the problem.

I had Comcast out several times and after the 4th cable card I sent the unit in.

After I got it back (4+ weeks) the total loss of the digital channels was fixed along with firmware upgrade. As I understand they replaced card reader and some other components. However the other issue - loss of digital channels along with fuzzy analog channels still happened. The box always worked when I turned it on and after a couple of hours it would fail. Also the timed recordings never finished due to the same issue.

As a computer overclocker I am very familiar with the issues with heat and electronics. But I would have never thought that the heat was bugging my DVR. The only sensors that this unit has are monitoring the hard drives and they were running between 95 and 102 degrees which is well below the max for HDD's. Little that I knew the rest of the box was probably seeing the same ambient.

I put my temporary rental DVR back on my entertainment rack and hooked Sony up with my TV on at bar which has a granite counter top. To my surprise the unit worked there for a week without a single glitch. This is when I realized that the heat was a culprit. Sony was sitting on top of my receiver which has vents on top. Unfortunately Sony designed this DVR with vents on the bottom and rear. All along it was sucking hot air in from the receiver and over a couple of hours overheated.

Sony does not have any vents on top so I switched the positions and since then it has worked flawlessly.

I guess some more common sense would have saved me a headache.

I hope they also offer replacements without Blu-Ray. Why would anyone want to record tv show on disc, especially at $20 each?

Would be great for home video (assuming you can import) shot in HD and your favorite team winning the big game....or the Victoria's secret show....or...... :p

I do agree that I wouldn't record much at $20/disc, but if supply of drives went up, demand for discs should go up and thus pricing come down. Remember when DVD+R were $10 each? Not that many years ago.

I would appreciate it if anyone would tell me the appropriate remote code to control my DHG-HDD500 using my Mitsubishi TV Remote.

Thanks. :)

I would appreciate it if anyone would tell me the appropriate remote code to control my DHG-HDD500 using my Mitsubishi TV Remote.

Thanks. :)

No Even a Prayer will Help.

Power outages are not my problem so I don't see how a UPS would help. I lose the TVGuide signal just like anyone else who uses this device for long enough.

any other ideas ?

see post 8260 for more details...I guess I misunderstood.

I'm not entirely clear on this - are you changing something in the setup for it to say "due to changes you have made"? It wouldn't normally say that unless you've actually made some sort of change (as far as I know, anyway). If it's not getting a consistent host channel signal and the guide goes away temporarily, it usually says something like "the guide is rebuilding".

I think the first thing you need to do is figure out exactly why this particular "due to changes you have made" message keeps coming up.

You can reach TVGOS technical support at 1-800-386-7380 to file a trouble report. I was told that several users from the Atlanta area had been reporting the loss of the guide info but as of today, I still have the problem with Comcast cable.

When I call that number they have a warning about it being only for TV stations and OEM Manufacturers.

Do they give you a hard time if you ignore the warning and talk to them anyway?

I'd like to request a couple local stations listings get added (they appear correctly on tvguide.com so I know they are getting the info from the stations) but I don't feel like waiting on hold to get verbally abused.

Thanks!

You can reach TVGOS technical support at 1-800-386-7380 to file a trouble report. I was told that several users from the Atlanta area had been reporting the loss of the guide info but as of today, I still have the problem with Comcast cable. I haven't tried connecting OTA yet.


To all those in metro Atlanta suffering from TVGOS outage: My TVGOS is back this evening. :D

I had called tech support two days ago to report the outage in the North Fulton area (Comcast Cable/Panasonic DMR-EH75 DVD recorder. TVGOS had worked flawlessly for a month before inexplicably disappearing about 10 days ago). The tech walked me through a fix, opening a diagnostic screen (detailed elsewhere in this forum). When it didn't work for 24 hours after my call - the diagnostic screen was blank under HOST CHANNEL - I called back and left a message with tech support.

Tech support called me back this morning (1/18) to say that their engineer was working with Comcast Atlanta to solve the problem (Comcast had installed new equipment that was interferring with the TVGOS signal, the tech told me).

When I checked this evening - viola! - all my channels had downloaded as did the listings.

Now I can go back to time-shifting my viewing of Jack Bauer. ...

Thanks to all who provided input on this problem in the ATL.

The following came todayfrom TVGOS:
Defective equipment was discovered and we expect a replacement to be installed by the end of day Friday 1/19. Until then, a temporary fix has been put in place by Comcast using an backup source.
Hope they are right.
Michael

I hope they also offer replacements without Blu-Ray. Why would anyone want to record tv show on disc, especially at $20 each?

Archiving. You can't keep stuff on the hard drive forever. Eventually you'll have to make room for new stuff. This way you can save a program to disc before deleting it from the hard drive. I wish I could do this with my DHG-HDD500.

vader69, I had TWC(Hudson Valley NY) replace my card for losing channels. The new card got a 101-6 error when it was first plugged in but on re-seating it it went away and has not come back. My problem is with one channel only. For some reason the Universal HD channel initially comes up with the proper program information but after switching channels a few times in shows up with channel 9 WWOR, NY program information on what is currently playing in that time slot and not Universals but the proper Universal program plays.

So, the question is do I have a cable card issue, only had one 101-6 error, reseated the card and it has been fine, or is this caused by TVGOS. Thoughts anyone? I talked to Sony and they want me to send in. I am getting close to the end on my one year warranty so want to send in b4 it is out if I have an issue.

Just talked with my girlfriend. She said that the guide was finally back up, but has no listings. Hopefully they will be back in a day or two. Still funny how the scheduled programs stayed and each week those would have updated program info. Even had program info for some of the unknown manual set to record by channel, date and time. Also, TVGOS Emailed me and said that others in my area had gotten their guide back as well. Hope that Comcast doesn't screw things up again.
Michael

Archiving. You can't keep stuff on the hard drive forever. Eventually you'll have to make room for new stuff. This way you can save a program to disc before deleting it from the hard drive. I wish I could do this with my DHG-HDD500.

My objective is to view shows and then delete them from the drive. So far, I have managed to do so without filling up the drive. On my 250 recorder, I got to 90 percent of capacity, which caused it to issue a warning notice.

Sometimes I transfer stuff to DVD so I can view it elsewhere. You can make DVD recordings for archiving, and if you wish, first edit out the commercials. Quality isn't HD, but much better than tape, and the cost is very low.

Ray

Anyone have any idea how I can get guide data for new channels that have been added to my local lineup? I've been waiting for them to pop-in for over month and still nothing. I can view the channels by manually entering them, and they appear in my channel list, however, no data appears in the guide - even in the channel setup mode (so I have no clue as to what's on, or when). I've tried to scan and the unit tells me that it cannot perform that function with an active cablecard installed. Please help !! :confused:

Found this FAQ on the LA public station KCET. I thought it would be of general interest since previous postings have mentioned the possibility of TV guide availability on digital channel.

Why does my Digital receiver stop responding and require a reboot when I select KCET HD on 28-1?

On April 12, 2006 KCET began data casting TV guide information within the digital broadcast. This causes digital receivers that are not ATSC compliant to fail. The only receivers that have exhibited this problem to date are those distributed by the now defunct VOOM HD network. The receivers were originally manufactured by Motorola under model name DSR 550 for VOOM. When VOOM went into bankruptcy many of these receivers were sold on E-BAY at a very low price. Motorola has refused to support the unit or to provide any upgrades to the unit. Unfortunately, the only recourse left to the viewer is to discontinue the use of the unit and purchase a new receiver.

Hi,

I'm getting a new HD Projector, an Optoma HD70 and they do not come with a built in ATSC tuner.
I think i might buy a Sony DHG-HDD250 off ebay, but some come with no remote.
Is it possible to use this unit without the remote, or with a good universal remote?

sony actually sell an 7 function remote for ~ $14 (walmart/bestbuy) a 8 function learning remote ~$25 and a $80 universal (bestbuy)

i have 1 each of the lesser remotes. (the kids sank my oem tv remote in a cup of juice, dont ask) both work with quite well with my 57 inch sony were compatible with my sony receiver and dvd player.

rm-vl600 is the model # of $25 learning remote that i have on my main setup.

sorry if this is a very late response

Anyone have any idea how I can get guide data for new channels that have been added to my local lineup? I've been waiting for them to pop-in for over month and still nothing. I can view the channels by manually entering them, and they appear in my channel list, however, no data appears in the guide - even in the channel setup mode (so I have no clue as to what's on, or when). I've tried to scan and the unit tells me that it cannot perform that function with an active cablecard installed. Please help !! :confused:


I had this problem. Turn off the DHG and pop the cable card out. Then turn the unit on and put the cable card in. You will lose all the current guide information but it will rebuild overnight. The time came back immediately for me and when the guide was rebuilt I had all the channels in the guide. Good luck.

I had this problem. Turn off the DHG and pop the cable card out. Then turn the unit on and put the cable card in. You will lose all the current guide information but it will rebuild overnight. The time came back immediately for me and when the guide was rebuilt I had all the channels in the guide. Good luck.
Thanks for the reply....now another question.....I had seriously thought about doing that, but am very leery......I've customized my guide listings so much - I think it took me well over an hour - will it reset all my stuff if I do what you suggest?

**Next question: Do you have any idea if I can hook up my Sony DVD Recorder to this unit to somehow record programs that I have saved?

Thanks for the reply....now another question.....I had seriously thought about doing that, but am very leery......I've customized my guide listings so much - I think it took me well over an hour - will it reset all my stuff if I do what you suggest?

**Next question: Do you have any idea if I can hook up my Sony DVD Recorder to this unit to somehow record programs that I have saved?


Yes, your customized settings will be gone when the system resets on the cable card. extract and re-insert. Yes it is a royal pain but I know of no way to prevent it or to save your current settings.

You can hook up your recorder to any of the video outs and audio outs your DVD recorder will except. However just remember you will be recording in real time. It is a royal pain to get stuff off this box. If you want to edit out commercials you will have to pause the DVD Recorder from recording and fast forward on the DHG then un-pause the DVD Recorder to start recording again. :eek:

Yes, your customized settings will be gone when the system resets on the cable card. extract and re-insert. Yes it is a royal pain but I know of no way to prevent it or to save your current settings.

You can hook up your recorder to any of the video outs and audio outs your DVD recorder will except. However just remember you will be recording in real time. It is a royal pain to get stuff off this box. If you want to edit out commercials you will have to pause the DVD Recorder from recording and fast forward on the DHG then un-pause the DVD Recorder to start recording again. :eek:

It is very easy to transfer and edit stuff if your DVD recorder also has a hard drive. Just make sure recorder is set for enough time to capture the whole program.

Ray

Sorry to seem ignorant.....however - are you saying that I can't record something I've recorded and saved on my DVR to my DVD Recorder? And that I will only be able to record onto a DVD in real time? If that's the case.....doesn't sound hardly worth hooking it up ! No wonder they gave it to me !! Please let me know.

Sorry to seem ignorant.....however - are you saying that I can't record something I've recorded and saved on my DVR to my DVD Recorder? And that I will only be able to record onto a DVD in real time? If that's the case.....doesn't sound hardly worth hooking it up ! No wonder they gave it to me !! Please let me know.

Yes, real time recording only. If your DVD recorder has a hard drive it may be a little more palatable. However, there is no rip and go like a DVD to your hard drive on a PC. :eek:

Really depends on what you wanted the DHG for. Me, I just wanted to time shift stuff, have an easy guide to use for free and not have to worry about VHS tape and be able to record HD programs. I never wanted to save stuff for posterity. DVD's of whole seasons of shows are cheap enough to buy or easy enough to download off of bit torrent sites, your choice. No bit torrent stuff here though since that is for a different audience and forum

Again....I thought I was quite tech savvy.....but apparently I'm not as savvy as I thought. How do I know if it has a hard drive? Would it be in the documentation somewhere?

Again....I thought I was quite tech savvy.....but apparently I'm not as savvy as I thought. How do I know if it has a hard drive? Would it be in the documentation somewhere?


Yes, it would be in the doc. It will say you have a 80G or x type hard drive capable of storing so many hours of video etc. If not you just have a DVD recorder and can record what can fit on a standard DVD. About 2-3 hours of VHS standard quality video. If you choose HQ quality it will be 2 hours per DVD. You will not be able to get HD quality video off and have it fit on a single standard DVD.

Yes, real time recording only. If your DVD recorder has a hard drive it may be a little more palatable. However, there is no rip and go like a DVD to your hard drive on a PC. :eek:

Really depends on what you wanted the DHG for. Me, I just wanted to time shift stuff, have an easy guide to use for free and not have to worry about VHS tape and be able to record HD programs. I never wanted to save stuff for posterity. DVD's of whole seasons of shows are cheap enough to buy or easy enough to download off of bit torrent sites, your choice. No bit torrent stuff here though since that is for a different audience and forum

Well, in actuality, I don't use the DVR for recording programs. (don't even know if that part works ;o) I merely use it as my "cable box" to use the guide and view my digital and premium channels. I use a Sony Digital Living System with Media Center to record my normal shows (no HD though) however, it doesn't have a cablecard, so I can't get the digital or premium channels on its' guide.

I merely thought, if it was easy enough, that I could use the DVD recorder to record a movie or two from the DVR if I needed to. (I've got lots of DVD's) I've never been one to save stuff either....it's rare that I watch something the 2nd time. Maybe I'll go ahead and hook it up and try a premium channel movie with no commercials ! Thanks for the advice and have a nice evening !!

Yes, your customized settings will be gone when the system resets on the cable card. extract and re-insert. Yes it is a royal pain but I know of no way to prevent it or to save your current settings.

You can hook up your recorder to any of the video outs and audio outs your DVD recorder will except. However just remember you will be recording in real time. It is a royal pain to get stuff off this box. If you want to edit out commercials you will have to pause the DVD Recorder from recording and fast forward on the DHG then un-pause the DVD Recorder to start recording again. :eek:

Sorry, I thought I was finished with this one. Just one more question, please, if you know: When I reset the system and remove the card, will I have to wait another 8 days for the entire guide to populate?

Unfortunately, yes.

sony actually sell an 7 function remote for ~ $14 (walmart/bestbuy) a 8 function learning remote ~$25 and a $80 universal (bestbuy)Do any of these remote's "previous channel" button work with the Sony DVR?

Do any of these remote's "previous channel" button work with the Sony DVR?


as far as the 7 or 8 funtion versions, they should.

I just realized there are no actor names in the info on shows that are recorded. I was very happy when this info showed up in movies in the guide and can't believe it doesn't transfer to the recording list. Pretty dumb. Especially for people like me that can't remember who's in a movie I recorded. I wonder why it doesn't copy all the info from the guide??????

I would think it would work since the function is in the remote and not the unit. Remember the remote is sending the code for the channel that you want the unit on.

Sorry, I thought I was finished with this one. Just one more question, please, if you know: When I reset the system and remove the card, will I have to wait another 8 days for the entire guide to populate?

You'll have to wait 3 days. TVGOS now sends days 1,2,5, and 8. :)

My objective is to view shows and then delete them from the drive. So far, I have managed to do so without filling up the drive. On my 250 recorder, I got to 90 percent of capacity, which caused it to issue a warning notice.

Sometimes I transfer stuff to DVD so I can view it elsewhere. You can make DVD recordings for archiving, and if you wish, first edit out the commercials. Quality isn't HD, but much better than tape, and the cost is very low.

Ray


As you said, it's not HD quality. They could have one version with the drive and one without of course. A firewire port would do it for me but that will never happen. I wonder when/if Sony will ever release anything here. We need something more than the TiVo Series 3.

I found it but i cant get it to work :(

http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-remote.pl?mdl=RMV202&region_id=1

its on sony's support site.

I just got this unit for free* from a friend.
Heres my setup:

Time Warner Digital Cable with HD
SA8300HD box in basement going to my WD-65731 HD mitsubishi tv.

The Sony Hdd250 is in my room with a coax cable input coming from the original splitter (not after the box).

Its going to a 27" analog Smasung TV with only composite video inputs (no s-video either).

Am I totally wasting this? Should I stop using the 8300HD downstairs and replace it with this?

We dont own another HD tv, or even a digital TV for that matter. However our family room TV does have compnent inputs. But its an old 36" tube, nothing fancy, but nice.

Am I wasting this things abilities? What should I do?

*(I traded it for some items he wanted)

Wow, I get a couple of HD channels. (being converted to 480p obviously)

this rocks!

TNTHD, DiscoverytheatreHD, PBS, all the major news networks, and some movie channels, i didnt even get before (in SD)

amazing.

This place sells the original factory remote for 40 dollars if you want a new original. It is where I got mine and it arrived in 3 days and works perfect. I've had my 250 for 6 months now and love it.

http://www.dvdremotecontrols.com/Mfrs/Sony/SonyDSS/RM-Y823.htm

I just got this unit for free* from a friend.
Heres my setup:

Time Warner Digital Cable with HD
SA8300HD box in basement going to my WD-65731 HD mitsubishi tv.

The Sony Hdd250 is in my room with a coax cable input coming from the original splitter (not after the box).

Its going to a 27" analog Smasung TV with only composite video inputs (no s-video either).

Am I totally wasting this? Should I stop using the 8300HD downstairs and replace it with this?

We dont own another HD tv, or even a digital TV for that matter. However our family room TV does have compnent inputs. But its an old 36" tube, nothing fancy, but nice.

Am I wasting this things abilities? What should I do?

*(I traded it for some items he wanted)

You may not be able to tune (or even record) all of the HD TWC channels with the Sony...even if you manage to get a cable card setup that works. If you are using it on a standard analog TV and through an analog input, then yes you are "wasting" the true functionality of the unit. I only use over the air TV, so it serves not only to record DTV, but as a tuner..and yes I have it hooked up to an HDTV.

I was lucky to get 2 of these units during the Tweeter deal. But I sure wish Sony or another manufacturer would make these units again, they sure are great units, especially for people who just want to record free OTA HD and not have to pay a fee for cable, satellite, or Tivo every month.

I know about the all in one computer thing, but I think people want to have an option of a stand alone unit too and not have to worry about hooking up their computers (which maybe in another room) to their tvs.

I don't know, am I wrong about this, any other thoughts on this?

Well, my girlfriend said that she has both the guide and listings again, all I need to do is be sure that she has selected the right cable feed and put back in her HD cable channel numbers.
I have to state that the TVGOS is a very good system, considering that it is free. That most of the problems with the Sony DHGs really are the fault of bad info through the TVGOS host ( usually the cable feed) and not the machine itself. Since talking with the TVGOS people at the CES show, they indicated that all the legacy devices out there will still work after the analog broadcast cutoff. No specifics from them, but I guess we shall wait and see.
Michael

In my town, these units work best for HD networks mainly via cable or antenna. using cablecard to get the encrypted HD channels is not satisfactory as many of these channels are 'swicthed' - (cableco term) and can not be tuned with a cablecard. The few HD channels I could tune with a cablecard did not show up in TVGos so they have to be manually recorded as 'Untitled' programs.

Warning real stupid question to follow :) :

Most of the HD channels I want to record are OTA, and I actually get them by my TV's internal QAM tuner with just hooking the cable directly to the TV. Can I pick up the same HD channels by just hooking the cable directly into the Sony unit, and not using a CableCard? AKA does it have a QAM tuner and can I expect the samething I see from my TV's QAM.

It appears that in the Phoenix area, Cox is refusing to install the CC's, and they just raised the prices on the HD-DVR's to $26/month (back east I paid $12.95 for 2 HD DVR's!).

Sorry if the answer is obvious, I just want to make sure before I throw down the $$ for one of these :)

Thanks!
Morty

Warning real stupid question to follow :) :

Most of the HD channels I want to record are OTA, and I actually get them by my TV's internal QAM tuner with just hooking the cable directly to the TV. Can I pick up the same HD channels by just hooking the cable directly into the Sony unit, and not using a CableCard? AKA does it have a QAM tuner and can I expect the samething I see from my TV's QAM.

It appears that in the Phoenix area, Cox is refusing to install the CC's, and they just raised the prices on the HD-DVR's to $26/month (back east I paid $12.95 for 2 HD DVR's!).

Sorry if the answer is obvious, I just want to make sure before I throw down the $$ for one of these :)

Thanks!
Morty

Yes. It has a QAM tuner. Used it today to watch the Bears win because my TV OTA tuner breaks up on Fox.

Well, my girlfriend said that she has both the guide and listings again, all I need to do is be sure that she has selected the right cable feed and put back in her HD cable channel numbers.
I have to state that the TVGOS is a very good system, considering that it is free. That most of the problems with the Sony DHGs really are the fault of bad info through the TVGOS host ( usually the cable feed) and not the machine itself. Since talking with the TVGOS people at the CES show, they indicated that all the legacy devices out there will still work after the analog broadcast cutoff. No specifics from them, but I guess we shall wait and see.
Michael
AtlantisMichael
I know you said "no specifics", but this would be GREAT news!
I have an LG-3410A, which has (legacy) V7 TVGOS, when you asked this, was it in reference ONLY to the Sony unit (which, I believe, has V8 TVGOS)?
OTA as well?
I would love to know!!

Tim

Warning real stupid question to follow :) :

Most of the HD channels I want to record are OTA, and I actually get them by my TV's internal QAM tuner with just hooking the cable directly to the TV. Can I pick up the same HD channels by just hooking the cable directly into the Sony unit, and not using a CableCard? AKA does it have a QAM tuner and can I expect the samething I see from my TV's QAM.

It appears that in the Phoenix area, Cox is refusing to install the CC's, and they just raised the prices on the HD-DVR's to $26/month (back east I paid $12.95 for 2 HD DVR's!).

Sorry if the answer is obvious, I just want to make sure before I throw down the $$ for one of these :)

Thanks!
Morty
According to the law, the cable company has to supply you with the cable cards for whatever third party box, tv, etc.. that you have. If they are refusing to do this, get the persons name and report them to the FCC. They are breaking the law. Let them ( the cable company) know this. And make sure you file a formal complaint even if they finally back down. We should not be ripped off by the cable companies like this.
Michael

AtlantisMichael
I know you said "no specifics", but this would be GREAT news!
I have an LG-3410A, which has (legacy) V7 TVGOS, when you asked this, was it in reference ONLY to the Sony unit (which, I believe, has V8 TVGOS)?
OTA as well?
I would love to know!!

Tim
If TVGOS is at the EH Expo this spring, I will see if I can get in and get us some more specific information. Other than what I stated earlier, I took what they said about the legacy devices to mean all of them. Sorry not to have better info at this time.
Michael

It appears that in the Phoenix area, Cox is refusing to install the CC's, and they just raised the prices on the HD-DVR's to $26/month (back east I paid $12.95 for 2 HD DVR's!).


AtlantisMichael is correct. Federal law says that cable providers have to support cablecards. If one tells you they don't support them, you should gently remind them of their obligation to comply with the federal law and the FCC. :D

If TVGOS is at the EH Expo this spring, I will see if I can get in and get us some more specific information. Other than what I stated earlier, I took what they said about the legacy devices to mean all of them. Sorry not to have better info at this time.
Michael
THANKS!!
Don't be sorry, although my hopes are now up more than before!

Tim

[QUOTE=AtlantisMichael]Since talking with the TVGOS people at the CES show, they indicated that all the legacy devices out there will still work after the analog broadcast cutoff. No specifics from them, but I guess we shall wait and see./QUOTE]


This sure is great to hear!

But as much as I want to believe you (or them), with all the conflicting stuff I've heard so far, I'll believe it when (or if) I actually see it :rolleyes: . They could have just had a long day, and just didn't want to deal with someone if they told them otherwise. (Or even worse, they could have been ex-Direct TV P.R. dept. employees ;) :rolleyes: .)

I don't mean to be a killjoy, but this is just how I personally feel. I really do hope and pray you're (or they're) right, though :) .

Can some of you confirm that the guide data seems to be populating with days 1, 2, 5, and 8 now? This used to be only 1, 2, and 8 in the past, but I have gotten a suggestion to update the FAQ page with this new info. I would like confirmation from more that one person just in case this might be an area specific change.

12345678
MTWTFSSMTWTFSS
1 MT F M
2 TW fS mT
etc

Thanks!

I ran a search but cannot seem to find info on this.

I have been watching ota for a couple of years. I have just added a sattelite service called sky angel.

I took cable out of the sky angel box and put it to cable in on my dvr.

I am hoping that it will recognize the sattelites tv menu screen.

What do I need to do to tell it I am now hooked up to ota and cable?

tia

hmm I just read in the faq section that this unit will not accept numbers over 1020 as a channel.

My sky angel channels are all 9500 and above.

I assume it would be a waste of my time to try and get the dvr to read my skyangel sattelite correct?

hmm I just read in the faq section that this unit will not accept numbers over 1020 as a channel.

My sky angel channels are all 9500 and above.

I assume it would be a waste of my time to try and get the dvr to read my skyangel sattelite correct?
This unit only has the QAM and ATSC tuners in it. No tuner for QSPK or any other type of inputs. Can only see/decode OTA or Cable signals, no other.
Michael

I wonder what would happen if you used a digital tuner like the old voom units tuned to the tvgos digital channel and hooked the analog output to the Sony by means of a rf modulator?

Anyone find it curious that no obvious successor to these Sony units was announced by Sony -- or anyone else -- at the Consumer Electronics Show earlier this month?

Anyone find it curious that no obvious successor to these Sony units was announced by Sony -- or anyone else -- at the Consumer Electronics Show earlier this month?

I was surprised that Sony was the only company to offer an ota hdtv recorder. Other companies offer hard drive recorders but only for analog tv. Perhaps they feel that there isn't enough demand yet. Sony probably stopped making these units because of high return rate - driven by reliablility problems with the tv guide.
I predict they will start to appear later this year, and store recordings in MPEG4 format, which increases hard drive recording time.

Ray

Hmm, didn't the model from LG do HD OTA too.

As far as successors, Sony is now offering several HD recording devices now, which are aimed at incorporating a PC in the living room. One is that unique oval shaped PC/recorder. I saw new models with 300,400, and 500gb if I recall correctly. They are pricey a $2000-$3000.

This place sells the original factory remote for 40 dollars if you want a new original. It is where I got mine and it arrived in 3 days and works perfect. I've had my 250 for 6 months now and love it.

http://www.dvdremotecontrols.com/Mfrs/Sony/SonyDSS/RM-Y823.htm

Hi, thanks for that URL! Do you know if the Sony Universal remotes that BestBuy and some others support the "replay" and "advance" (skip back and forward) on the DHG units? I'd be interested to hear if someone has used the Sony universal one with macros, and did it measure up to the factory DHG remote?

Thanks,
Wayne

Hi, thanks for that URL! Do you know if the Sony Universal remotes that BestBuy and some others support the "replay" and "advance" (skip back and forward) on the DHG units? I'd be interested to hear if someone has used the Sony universal one with macros, and did it measure up to the factory DHG remote?

Thanks,
Wayne

I have the Sony universal macro remote and used it briefly with my HDD250, I had to program some unused buttons to do the "replay" and "advance" functions. I switched to a Harmony 880 remote because it has those buttons built in and was easier to switch between devices (I.e. HD DVR to DVD) without shutting everything down...very important in a room with a projector that takes a couple of minutes to cool down before it can be started up again.

besides ebay, where else can you pick one of these up from?

I purchased one from Sony for $39.95 plus shipping. This was about a year ago.

I live in Dallas and lost the TVGOS from the local PBS station about two weeks ago. I called the local station and they were unable to check the stream and gave me an 800 number to TVGOS. That number was for stations only and TVGOS told me to get the unit fixed(they were not interested or helpful). I'm not sure if it's my unit or something else. Anyone with any ideas?

Hmm, didn't the model from LG do HD OTA too.

As far as successors, Sony is now offering several HD recording devices now, which are aimed at incorporating a PC in the living room. One is that unique oval shaped PC/recorder. I saw new models with 300,400, and 500gb if I recall correctly. They are pricey a $2000-$3000.
Sounds good, but I would like to have an option of a stand alone unit that doesn't have to use a PC and doesn't cost $2000-$3000.

Quick question: I should be receiving a used 250 I bought on Ebay from California soon. I live in CT. When I get the unit, should I try to change all the settings from California, or should I just reset the unit and start from scratch?
-Doug

Quick question: I should be receiving a used 250 I bought on Ebay from California soon. I live in CT. When I get the unit, should I try to change all the settings from California, or should I just reset the unit and start from scratch?
-Doug
I would reset the unit and start from scratch.

Hmm, didn't the model from LG do HD OTA too.

As far as successors, Sony is now offering several HD recording devices now, which are aimed at incorporating a PC in the living room. One is that unique oval shaped PC/recorder. I saw new models with 300,400, and 500gb if I recall correctly. They are pricey a $2000-$3000.Hewlett-Packard's been making something similar to the new Sony's for a few years now, too. It's a Microsoft-based PC-type unit with a DVD recorder all-encompassed in a standalone-type deck. It has, I think, three tuners - no QAM though, I believe - just ATSC & NTSC.

They're also way up there in price, but the top of the line one has something like a 600 GB hard drive.

Tweeter's was closing out their display units for about $700.00 a few months back (not the 600 GB model, though - I think it was 300 GB). Maybe one might still have one around if anyone's actually interested.

besides ebay, where else can you pick one of these up from?If you've got a Fry's around, they might have some. The one in my area does. They were still going for retail last time I checked - but that was over a month and a half ago.

Somewhere here I noticed someone mentioned his hard drive was 90% full, but I've never been able to find how full my hard drive is.

IS there a way to do this???

Thanks :o

Somewhere here I noticed someone mentioned his hard drive was 90% full, but I've never been able to find how full my hard drive is.

IS there a way to do this???

Thanks :o

I posted that message. The information you are looking for is displayed in the System menu. You get there by the following sequence: menu - preferences - system - system menu.

besides ebay, where else can you pick one of these up from?

The Fry's in my area still has several new machines 250GB for $599 and the 500GB for $649. Other than that, I haven't seen them anywhere...craigslist, maybe?

Back at Christmas the Sony outlet store near me had the 250GB refurb for $299, maybe they still have some?

No, the Outlet hasn't had any for longer than that IMO.

Can some of you confirm that the guide data seems to be populating with days 1, 2, 5, and 8 now? This used to be only 1, 2, and 8 in the past, but I have gotten a suggestion to update the FAQ page with this new info. I would like confirmation from more that one person just in case this might be an area specific change.

12345678
MTWTFSSMTWTFSS
1 MT F M
2 TW fS mT
etc

Thanks!
This is the reply from TVGOS:
Response (Richard) 01/23/2007 08:48 AM
For G4 devices, the Guide now downloads days 1, 2, 5 and 8. G4 devices are those that contain version 8 or higher of the Guide.
Michael

So, the question is do I have a cable card issue, only had one 101-6 error, reseated the card and it has been fine, or is this caused by TVGOS.

I would send it in. The error is related to the cable card. You may be lucky if it does not come back. If you have warranty left try to send it back through the place you purchased it. When I called Sony, they wanted $90 for labor (free parts). I took it to Tweeter and it cost me nothing.

TVGOS is buggy. I have learned how to live with it.

I live in Dallas and lost the TVGOS from the local PBS station about two weeks ago. I called the local station and they were unable to check the stream and gave me an 800 number to TVGOS. That number was for stations only and TVGOS told me to get the unit fixed(they were not interested or helpful). I'm not sure if it's my unit or something else. Anyone with any ideas?
Hi Russ26,
You do not indicate if you are on cable or antenna. Check out SpiffSpace faq at the beginning of this thread. It will tell you how to check for a host station and test it as well through the VBI count. Once you do this, then you should Email your local host station (engineer if they have one) and tell them what you have found.
TVGOS needs to have information off 3 of the 753... screens so they can determine what is going on. This , only if you are told to contact TVGOS again by the local host. Most of the problems do occur thru the local host or the cable company that is retransmitting the VBI on the cable host station( usually the same as the ota station).
I have the screens that TVGOS needs, but can not get a copy imported here. May have to pm them to you.
Michael

No, the Outlet hasn't had any for longer than that IMO.

Sorry, it was the first week of December my cousin and I went there and bought one for his parents. After our purchase (San Marcos, TX store) there were 2 left.

I am getting ready to try FiOS tv with the HDD500. I noticed when I go to settings and put in my zip code I have 4 comcast choices. If I select the option 'none of these' will the fios channel lineup show up after 24 hours? Will this dvr work with the fios cablecard? It has been flawless with comcast. Thanks.

I am getting ready to try FiOS tv with the HDD500. I noticed when I go to settings and put in my zip code I have 4 comcast choices. If I select the option 'none of these' will the fios channel lineup show up after 24 hours? Will this dvr work with the fios cablecard? It has been flawless with comcast. Thanks.

I'm using it with a FIOS Cablecard however I needed to enter a zip code that I knew had FIOS for several months. Most of the channel numbers were the same.

I just want to say, I love this thing.

I just want to say, I love this thing.
And so do most of the rest of us. The ability to record OTA HD channels, and no monthly fees! :D

If I select the option 'none of these' will the fios channel lineup show up after 24 hours?If you select "none of these", it should take you directly to the "channel edit" listings so you can just pick out and turn on the channels you want.

I just want to say, I love this thing.

Ditto, I've been recording Ameriacn Idol for my daughter OTA HD and it is an awesome picture and sound

I just want to say, I love this thing.
Yes I really like my two units. Wished I had gotten a third or fourth one when they were on sale at Tweeters. I have heard that Sony has a unit that they make and sell in Japan, but have no plans to sell it here. This is what I have read and heard as to why our market is not good for the DVRs:
U.S. consumers only want a playback machine for tape or dvds or such. The demand for a dvr is too low. It makes it too easy (HD DVR) to steal and sell content. Consumers do not want to pay a lot of money for a good quality HD DVR. And the list goes on.
I truly believe that the market here is good for these third party machines. If the manufactures would just listen to the public and open up their ears and eyes, then perhaps they would make a machine like these DVRs,instead of trying to push everything toward a media living center, which I for one do not like or need.
Also, if they ever want to be successful with a third party box, then they need to market it properly.
I would like to see a box with at least 2 ATSC tuners for ota reception if not a third tuner. Or QAM tuners for cable( but as long as cable resist the cable card support, this is risky). Plus at least a 500gb hard drive with ability to expand it. A dedicated host only input that is programable for your location/area. This would be coupled to a separate memory( flash memory) that would write to the drive when you power off the unit so you could get update info at anytime without having to have the unit off overnight, etc..
If the entertainment industry is so worried about bootleg content, then just build into each Blu-Ray or DVD recorder a tracking device that gets burned into the disc. Or a record/copy only once for a program or show.
Anyone else have a suggestion as to what would make a good/great HD DVR?
Perhaps we can put our heads together and send these suggestion to Sony Japan corporate( we all know Sony US corporate does not listen here) , our thoughts and wants. Maybe they might just listen.
Michael

The DHG line of DVR's does have a QAM tuner. It works fine without a cable card and will tune any unencrypted digital channels.

Here are the screen shots that TVGOS requires when they are diagnosing problems with equipment. These are attached here:

I just bought mine at the Alpharetta Frys in Georgia (Atlanta suburb). There are two Frys here, one in Duluth and one in Alpharetta. I think between both stores there are 2 or 3 HDD500's and maybe 8 or 9 HDD250's left. I bought an HDD500. I paid $749 - list price. Tried to negotiate but store manager would not budge. The unit is simply awesome. I love it. I have great OTA reception here and the unit immediately picked up all 23 OTA digital channels and had no trouble with the analog cable and even picked up some digital cable stations with the QAM tuner that I didn't even know I had (without a cablecard).

Still figuring out how to work the TVGOS but it's been good enough to let me program all my favorite shows. Yippie, no more watching commercials! This thing rocks. I feel lucky to have bought one before they're even harder to find. There are a good number of 250's being sold on ebay - but I wanted the comfort of knowing I could take it back to the store in the event it was DOA out of the box.

Simply amazing technology. I'm also glad I bought the HDD500. I didn't realize I had so many shows I like watching, and this way I'm less likely to run out of room.

Russ26,
Have you made any progress with your problem? Or, did you get your TVGOS back? I just post the screen shots that TVGOS uses to determine where a problem is in the system. The areas in red outline are the items they need. The sat. line though does not apply to us, so it will not show up on our machines.
Michael

I just picked up a 250 on ebay. I am using this for OTA HD. I am connecting this to a Sony KDF-50E2000 via HDMI. I have a few questions, but my most pressing is this: I cannot receive my local Fox affiliate at ALL with the 250 (channel 5.1). The TV tuner picked it up with no problems. At this point in the diagnosis process I have:
- reset the 250 to factory defaults
- connected the attic-mounted channelmaster 4228 directly to the 250 (no splitters, amps, etc.)

Any ideas?

I have the dvr for over a year now and have never ever seen any ads on the tvguide screen.

Not complaining, but I think its amazing.

Any comments?

HDAddiction

Has anybody encountered this problem?

I've got the first tier of Comcast Digital and my HDD500 refuses to record any channel except for the four digital flavors of the local PBS channel (WETA) and the HD versions of the standard broadcast stations. Please note, all of these stations are coming to me from Comcast, not OTA.

If I schedule a recording on any other channel, the recorder briefly flashes on before turning itself off. Likewise, if I'm on a channel and attempt to record manually, the red light goes one for two or three seconds and then turns itself off. No vestigal recording appears in "Recorded" programs.

Upon taking the card out, I have no problems recording the analog channels (2 through the 90s), plus the digital stations of the four or five commercial broadcast networks that my tuner picks up via Comcast's feed.

I'm guessing a corrupted Cablecard. If you've encountered this problem, I'd love to hear from you, especially if you've solved it.

Jackshafer
I have experienced the same problem several times, I think it is a cable card problem and I myself am not having any luck getting cox to update the card. They always tell me the 4.05 version is the only one that they have, I believe the latest is 4.21 by motorola. Any way all I do is a soft reboot and it will be fine for a while. Knock on wood it has not happened in a while now so you could try that and see if does you any good.
rlh149

I'm guessing a corrupted Cablecard. If you've encountered this problem, I'd love to hear from you, especially if you've solved it.

Hi Jack
I wish I could help you point the finger. Your Guess may be
RIGHT - But I don't know for sure.

All I can add to the info is - I have (5) HDD500s on Comcast - all
with Cablecards. I also have OTA to all 5 DVRs. I have never had
a problem recording any channel.

But I must say when we first did the installation it took Comcast
to use 8 Cablecards to get 5 good ones. In may case it was obvious
from the INSERTION when I had a BAD card versus GOOD Card.

I just picked up a 250 on ebay. I am using this for OTA HD. I am connecting this to a Sony KDF-50E2000 via HDMI. I have a few questions, but my most pressing is this: I cannot receive my local Fox affiliate at ALL with the 250 (channel 5.1). The TV tuner picked it up with no problems. At this point in the diagnosis process I have:
- reset the 250 to factory defaults
- connected the attic-mounted channelmaster 4228 directly to the 250 (no splitters, amps, etc.)

Any ideas?

Make sure that the antenna is pointing in the right direction, then do channel scan.

Ray

Here are the screen shots that TVGOS requires when they are diagnosing problems with equipment. These are attached here:

Thanks for those postings. I'm going to take screen shots of my units now to keep for reference.

Ray

To get the most enjoyment out of these units, I suggest you read the complete online manual at least twice, and explore all the menu options.

Ray

Make sure that the antenna is pointing in the right direction, then do channel scan.

Ray

Thanks, Ray. It has been aimed in the right direction since last november. Here's some more info.

Here is a sample of the signal strength through my tv tuner and the dvr tuner:

channel tv dvr
2.1 92 88
5.1 84 5
11.1 98 88
46.1 98 94

This doesn't make any sense. I sampled these numbers right after I did a fresh autoscan on my dvr.

Thanks, Ray. It has been aimed in the right direction since last november. Here's some more info.

Here is a sample of the signal strength through my tv tuner and the dvr tuner:

channel tv dvr
2.1 92 88
5.1 84 5
11.1 98 88
46.1 98 94

This doesn't make any sense. I sampled these numbers right after I did a fresh autoscan on my dvr.

In short, all the signals i get from the dhg are weaker than my panny's 32lx60's tuner. On weak signals, such as those coming from 100+ miles away, signal breakup is more pronounced during primetime. If only the ATSC chip in this thing was better...

In short, all the signals i get from the dhg are weaker than my panny's 32lx60's tuner. On weak signals, such as those coming from 100+ miles away, signal breakup is more pronounced during primetime. If only the ATSC chip in this thing was better...

Try a boost amplifier, and if that doesn't solve your problem, I suggest you install a good roof antenna. Before I replaced my roof antenna, I had similar problems with channel 13.1.

Ray

Try a boost amplifier, and if that doesn't solve your problem, I suggest you install a good roof antenna. Before I replaced my roof antenna, I had similar problems with channel 13.1.

Ray

Guys, thanks for your ideas. I actually already have an attic mount Channel Master 4228 and it works very well. I'm not against buying more gear (amp, etc), but I want to make sure that's what I need to do.

One more time for clarity: on my TV, I revceive channel 5.1 @ a signal strength of 84. On the DVR, the signal strength is only 5!! That doesn't seem to correlate to the other drops in signal i've had when comparing the tv to the DVR (anywhere from 4-10%). I'm only about 30 miles from the transmitter on this station (about the same distance from the other transmitters in town). A drop from 84% to 5% seems like something other than a less powered tuner in the DVR.

One more time for clarity: on my TV, I revceive channel 5.1 @ a signal strength of 84. On the DVR, the signal strength is only 5!! That doesn't seem to correlate to the other drops in signal i've had when comparing the tv to the DVR (anywhere from 4-10%). I'm only about 30 miles from the transmitter on this station (about the same distance from the other transmitters in town). A drop from 84% to 5% seems like something other than a less powered tuner in the DVR.

I think you need to replace the coax to your DVR. Or maybe replace the splitter. :)

Hi all,
Just wanted to provide some info about my experience in the Phoenix area with the Sony 250 for anyone in the area that is considering one of these. I have it hooked up to Cox cable, but am not using a cable card. It quickly scanned and found all channels. The picture quality is excellent.

After the first night, the unit set the correct time, the TGOS was displaying channel logos but stating "no lisitng". This happened for about 2 nights.

I then decided to change the zipcode to see if this would help. I changed the zip code to 85022. Just like that overnight, all the listings came in, and everything works great!

I am very pleased with this machine, and how easy it is to operate. I just wish it had 2 tuners. I am fighting the urge to buy another one, because now I have to choose between Heroes and 24. Ughhh, I think I will choose 24, cus you know NBC is going to rerun Heroes over the summer. Ahhh decisions, decisions...

Anyway thanks to everyone for posting their experiences and know how, cus if I hadn't read about changing the zipcode, I would have been totally frustrated.

I think you need to replace the coax to your DVR. Or maybe replace the splitter. :)

I pulled brand new RG-6Q two months ago. It's a single piece of coax from the antenna to the DVR (no splitters, etc.). I'm really scratching my head on this.

Try a boost amplifier, and if that doesn't solve your problem, I suggest you install a good roof antenna. Before I replaced my roof antenna, I had similar problems with channel 13.1.

Ray

I am already on a Motorola Signal Booster (+15dB Gain, 2dB Noise). I switched from a silver sensor to a CM4221, but because of my living situation, I cant mount roof antennas.

Has anybody encountered this problem?

I've got the first tier of Comcast Digital and my HDD500 refuses to record any channel except for the four digital flavors of the local PBS channel (WETA) and the HD versions of the standard broadcast stations. Please note, all of these stations are coming to me from Comcast, not OTA.

Hi Jack,

Are you in either Alexandria or Arlington, VA? I seem to be having the exact same problem in Alexandria with the same setup as you have.

After Comcast began transmitting digital a few months ago, I lost the TVGOS on both my Panasonic Plasma and my Sony HDD 250, both with Cablecards. Around year end, Comcast began mapping the TVGOS Host channel from 22 (WMPT) to analog 93. Now I get the TVGOS grid on both devices, but no listings. Someone at Comcast said that they are having some kind of RF interference that causes this; why they can't track it down and fix it is a mystery.

I get all the channels in my digital package on the Pany, but not on the Sony (similar problem to what you have). After several calls and visits from Comcast, they determined that my rate package was not set correctly at their end for the Sony's Cablecard. That ALMOST solved the problem. I get all the channels only when I pull and then immediately reinsert the Cabelcard (don't scan for new channels in between) with the unit turned on. However, the channels (except for the broadcast HD and a few analogs) disappear when I turn the Sony off. After I turn it on the next day, the channel number and name appear in the info box, but no picture and no sound. This could be why you get nothing when you try to record a program.

I don't know if there's still a problem with how Comcast has the Cablecard set on their end, or if we (since it sounds like the same problem) are having a generic problem with the Sony on this particular Comcast setup (I hope that makes sense).

I'm not sure what I'll do next. If I can figure it out, I'll post an update.

Dan Spadoni

Hi Jack,

Are you in either Alexandria or Arlington, VA? I seem to be having the exact same problem in Alexandria with the same setup as you have.

Dan Spadoni


Dan,

Yes, I'm in Arlington. But my problem is a tad different than yours. After a couple of months of the same nastiness you describe, I did yet another fresh scan for channels and reinsertion of the CC. Suddenly I had all my channels and all of my listings. My only problem is recording anything other than the HD broadcast stations.

One thing I noticed is that Cable 26 WETA is now Cable 94 WETA, which the PREFERENCES * SYSTEM * DIAGNOSTIC tells me is an analog station. My guess is that TVGOS has moved from Channel 22 to Channel 94. You might get complete listings if you use the Edit Channels function to reassign WETA cable 26 to Channel 94. Give it a try over-night and see if your stations repopulate.

I'd love to talk to you this coming week about your dealings with Comcast. Drop me an e-mail: jackshafer@hotmail.com.

Jack Shafer

I pulled brand new RG-6Q two months ago. It's a single piece of coax from the antenna to the DVR (no splitters, etc.). I'm really scratching my head on this.
Exactly how is your system set up? How do you connect to both the tv and the dvr?
Could just be that the antenna needs a little tweak. Or you may be picking up noise on the coax near the dvr. Or you could in fact have a defective tuner. No way to tell for sure without a signal level meter to see what your antenna, coax and connections are doing.
Mulitpath could be an issue as well. Different tuners may not handle it the same. So it is a possibility that ths may be part or all your problem. Tweaking the antenna is the only ( cheap/ quick way) to tell. Have you tried playing with the antenna to see if you can get a better signal and/or picture. My girlfriend is in Woodstock and we recently had to hook up an old (fm type) antenna that was in the attic because of the TVGOS from cable was messed up. She gets a fairly good signal, but it does drop out from time to time. She is only using this antenna though, for channel 8, PBS, the host channel for TVGOS.
Also, the differences in the way the tv and dvr measures the signal is a factor. I have both a Sony tv and the dvrs, and get some deviations between the two. Anywhere from 2 to 10 points, but not what your describe. No other suggestion at this time, good luck.
Michael

I pulled brand new RG-6Q two months ago. It's a single piece of coax from the antenna to the DVR (no splitters, etc.). I'm really scratching my head on this.

If it is a single coax, how is it connected to the TV also (to measure only 5% signal)?
Is there an RF pass-thru on the TV? If so, check the cable from your TV to the DVR.
Or are you physically moving the cable from the TV to the DVR?

Make sure that the center conductor on your RG6 extends far enough out from the F-connector. I've seen cases where the center conductor
would just barely reach into the female jack on the tuning device causing a very poor signal to be received. Make sure the center conductor
extends about 1/16" or so past the body of the F-connector.

Thanks, Ray. It has been aimed in the right direction since last november. Here's some more info.

Here is a sample of the signal strength through my tv tuner and the dvr tuner:

channel tv dvr
2.1 92 88
5.1 84 5
11.1 98 88
46.1 98 94

This doesn't make any sense. I sampled these numbers right after I did a fresh autoscan on my dvr.

I advise moving your antenna a tad. You may be getting ghosting, with one tuner picking up one signal, and the other locking on the weaker ghost. Just move it a little bit, and see what happens.

Has anyone with a DHG-HDD250/500 hooked up to TW in LA been able to receive the updated channel lineup via TVGOS since the TW/Adelphia transfer? The lineup with the HD channels starting in the 400's? When i try to use TVGOS it shows the HD channels in the 1100's (They haven't been in the 1100's since september)

Hey everyone, I just found this message board and decided to post a problem I've been having with my Sony DHG-HDD500. I recently upgraded to a Samsung LN-S4692 television. With the upgrade I decided to use HDMI rather than component (My previous HD monitor only had component inputs). With the HDMI I get a wierd thing happening with the format. When I set the format to 720P everything displays as it did previously. But for whatever reason, the format sometimes changes automatically to "Auto HDMI" and then I can notice on the TV guide screen that things are displayed differently. The TV guide lettering is bigger or strectched or something. It usually switches itself after I've watched a recorded program. Any idea how I lock this to the 720P format or is there another format I should be using. Thanks in advance.

Pick a resolution setting instead like 720p or 1080i. Auto HDMI will change the screen view depending on what channel signal you are getting and thus your switches to 4:3 on the guide. Setting to 720p for example will keep the guide at a 16:9 view.

Sorry, NO way to lock a fixed resolution mode with HDMI. I have the same issue with my JVC DILA TV. Mine only resets to Auto HDMI when the JVC TV is powered on. I am guessing the HDCP hand shakes causes the SONY to go to auto HDMI. Some other brands of TV don't have this issue. If the TV is left powered on the SONY can be turned on/off without changing the mode to auto HDMI. If the TV has been power cycled mine will 100% of the time switch to auto HDMI. I finally switched to compontent and use the HDMI port on the TV for my HTPC and all is well.

Any idea how I lock this to the 720P format or is there another format I should be using. Thanks in advance.

Has anyone with a DHG-HDD250/500 hooked up to TW in LA been able to receive the updated channel lineup via TVGOS since the TW/Adelphia transfer? The lineup with the HD channels starting in the 400's? When i try to use TVGOS it shows the HD channels in the 1100's (They haven't been in the 1100's since september)

My experience with HDTV was that the channels didn't match those furnished with the guide because I didn't have a cable card. What I did was to find the HDTV channel numbers manually, and enter them into the guide menu, replacing the ones that work with the card. Either way, I suggest you first do a channel scan to add the new channels. Then change the channel numbers according to your setup. If you have a cable card, correct the guide numbers to match those assigned by TW. Otherwise, insert the channel numbers you find manually.

Ray

This works fine unless your cableco assigns HD channels above #999.
Here they are all above 1500, the Sony will not let you assign a channel number over 3 digits. So I had to do manual recording of all the HD channels with no titles.

This works fine unless your cableco assigns HD channels above #999.
Here they are all above 1500, the Sony will not let you assign a channel number over 3 digits. So I had to do manual recording of all the HD channels with no titles.
I got not problem with the four digits, i'm just using the tuner in my mits 62627, i dont have the $$ for a sony-dhg (maybe one day...) but when the channels used to be in the 1100's they even provided discoveryHD and TNTHD in the clear

This works fine unless your cableco assigns HD channels above #999. Here they are all above 1500, the Sony will not let you assign a channel number over 3 digits. So I had to do manual recording of all the HD channels with no titles.

Not quite accurate. Channels upto 1023 work. It isn't a 4 digit issue but a 10 bit channel representation issue.

High Speed Internet - believe it or not, HD programming is available over most high speed internet connections. This unit has a USB input and when using a high speed connection the HD tuner will find the HD channels.


I found the above statement included in a listing for an HDD500 for sale on eBay.
Does anyone know anything about this?

High Speed Internet - believe it or not, HD programming is available over most high speed internet connections. This unit has a USB input and when using a high speed connection the HD tuner will find the HD channels.


I found the above statement included in a listing for an HDD500 for sale on eBay.
Does anyone know anything about this?
There are a couple of services that let you download HD content, i believe microsoft has something like this for the 360, and i'm pretty sure there's a couple other players (not sure what hardware/service is needed) i don't believe it's real-time tv watching situation, i believe for most of the products like this you select the HD content you want, and it downloads over time (not sure if you can watch it while it's downloading), sort of like VOD, but since most high speed internet connections dont have the bandwidth to handle an HD channel, you download the content first and then watch, i think some HS-ISP's may provide this service so that it is pseudo-real-time since you are downloading directly from their server on their own network, not sure, at least that's my 2¢

High Speed Internet - believe it or not, HD programming is available over most high speed internet connections. This unit has a USB input and when using a high speed connection the HD tuner will find the HD channels.


I found the above statement included in a listing for an HDD500 for sale on eBay.
Does anyone know anything about this?

That sounds like deception to me...

I don't think that the USB connection on these devices is active for consumer use.

That sounds like deception to me...

I don't think that the USB connection on these devices is active for consumer use.

FYI, I found the listing and sent a message to the person telling him/her that the USB port is not for downloading listings or for consumer use.


Mitch

I Have Analog Cable (cablevision), No Stb. I Get My Local Hi Def Channels Via Qam Tuners In My Television. I Would Like To Record Some Of The Hi Def Content. Would The Dhg-hdd 250/500 Work For Me?

Thank You....

I Have Analog Cable (cablevision), No Stb. I Get My Local Hi Def Channels Via Qam Tuners In My Television. I Would Like To Record Some Of The Hi Def Content. Would The Dhg-hdd 250/500 Work For Me?

Thank You....

Yes. :D
you can do that and also attach an antenna to the DHG-HDDxxx and get free HD, depending on your location.

Almost afraid to say this, but I have high-speed internet through the local cable company, but no cable TV at all. The QAM channels (only local) do tune in on both my HDD250's and my LG-LST3510A, but will not tune on my Westinghouse LTV-32W6 TV which all have QAM tuners.

Is it something about the older QAM tuners in these units that allows it tune? I'm not sure. However, I get OTA all of the locals clear (even on that the cable company doesn't carry in HD) with no reception issues...so the QAM are really only used in severe weather when the OTA is cutting up.

sivartk -

Be sure that you have a "high enough" signal level on the cable line going to the TV. Maybe it requires a higher signal level to lock in and tune the HD. Try adding an amplifier.

Also, some coax splitters will not pass HD. I've personally run into this in my own installation. Try a new (1100 mhz) splitter.


Dave

Almost afraid to say this, but I have high-speed internet through the local cable company, but no cable TV at all. .

Well, that is certainly possible... but you are not getting it through the USB port on the HDD250, which is what a previous post described about an ebay selling description. The seller on ebay was clearly clueless about what he was selling, which is quite common, I'm afraid.

You're probably getting the unencrypted channels because your cable company is blocking the analog cable TV from coming through your coax but is allowing all digital to pass. It must be too hard to block the QAM.

The QAM channels (only local) do tune in on both my HDD250's and my LG-LST3510A, but will not tune on my Westinghouse LTV-32W6 TV which all have QAM tuners.

Don't know about the problem with the Westy. It should be able to tune them.

sivartk -

Be sure that you have a "high enough" signal level on the cable line going to the TV. Maybe it requires a higher signal level to lock in and tune the HD. Try adding an amplifier.

Also, some coax splitters will not pass HD. I've personally run into this in my own installation. Try a new (1100 mhz) splitter.



I have the appropriate splitters and actually just unhooked from the HDD250 and into the TV, so one would think if it was high enough for the Sony, it should work on the TV. Not a big deal as I use an OTA antenna in the attic to tune the channels on the TV and use the QAM just as a backup on the Sony.

I actually get more channels via OTA than QAM (additional city's nearby (90 miles) and the CW which LIN won't let TWC cable in our area transmit the HD feed, only analog.)

I've got a question to run by the forum -

Does anybody know for sure if they're still selling the Sony's at the Fry's Electronics in Downers Grove. IL? Either one or both models. My brother in-law really digs mine, and he wants it for the DVR feature (naturally), but also so he can get rid of his cable box. And that he can own rather than renting - I don't think he's too thrilled about the latest price increases.

When I was there a couple of months back, they had both models, but they were still selling them at retail. I thought that since some people here are reporting they are currently getting them from other Fry's stores for less than that, that maybe the D.G. store lowered them, too.

(Maybe jmDomini would know this, if he's around here.)

I've got a question to run by the forum -

Does anybody know for sure if they're still selling the Sony's at the Fry's Electronics in Downers Grove. IL? Either one or both models. My brother in-law really digs mine, and he wants it for the DVR feature (naturally), but also so he can get rid of his cable box. And that he can own rather than renting - I don't think he's too thrilled about the latest price increases.

When I was there a couple of months back, they had both models, but they were still selling them at retail. I thought that since some people here are reporting they are currently getting them from other Fry's stores for less than that, that maybe the D.G. store lowered them, too.

(Maybe jmDomini would know this, if he's around here.)
ebay has a ton of them, but no idea about fry's, i know the fry's by me out here in LA is still selling them at retail

Fry's in Austin is selling them for $749 (500GB) and $599 (250GB) which I believe is below the retail of $999 and $799 (?) respectively. They had about 5 or so left last week. Go to your Fry's and ask if they can transfer one to you.

Fry's in Austin is selling them for $749 (500GB) and $599 (250GB) which I believe is below the retail of $999 and $799 (?) respectively. They had about 5 or so left last week. Go to your Fry's and ask if they can transfer one to you.
the 250 GB's are going for around 300 on ebay, i've been keeping an eye on them, there's several (~10-20) for sale, some new, i'm gonna try to get by with just a AVHDD, but if one looks like i can get it for $250 i'll def pull the trigger

eBay is the way to go to save money...but you have to wonder about the warranty...most of the time they will require a receipt to do any warranty work. As long as the seller sends that with it, you should be okay.

I ended up getting both of mine (used) from eBay for $300 total...one with all accessories and one with only unit and power cord. The Sony outlet stores may have some refurbs for around $350 ...at least they did before Christmas.

I've had a 500 for the last 15 months and it has been flawless, no loss of guides or rebooting but I just changed from Comcast to Verizon FIOS and after several trouble tickets and repeated calls it seems FIOS doesn't pass the Guide data through on their system. Our development won't allow roof antennas except 18" dishes and even an amplified indoor doesn't give me a good enough signal using the 9012 code to maintain a guide. And I'm too old to climb around in attics anymore!!

I finally gave in and bought the TIVO series 3 using 2 cablecards and it works like a champ. Hated to give up on the 500 because it has been a great unit but I drove myself crazy checking every channel and waiting the full day to find still no data!! The FIOS cablecard worked great in the 500 but without a good outside antenna for guide info I was ready to throw it out the window.

I now have 4 FIOS cable cards in use (ver 4.21 I think) and not one problem installing them compared to Comcrap Cable cards. If anyone is interested, I have a local FIOS video manager trying to resolve the guide data problem system wide for future users, I still have a Panny 85 HD/DVD recorder who's guide won't work either but I can still use the VCR Plus codes to do some recording and it has a user settable clock.

Sorry for the long post but the Sony is great and it has been so frustrating trying to get the Guide with FiOS that I just felt like venting. Keep sharing the good information.

Jack

Our development won't allow roof antennas except 18" dishes and even an amplified indoor doesn't give me a good enough signal using the 9012 code to maintain a guide.
Jack

Your development has no legal right to prevent you from installing an antenna on your roof. These types of by-laws are illegal.

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

Thanks for the FCC link, and if I remember, there was the mention of the limit of 1 meter antennas in the homeowners association rules and I assumed it to referred to the 18" dish, I guess I could have installed a 1 meter regular antenna instead. All things considered, I am satisified with my current decision of using the tivo and not worring about the analog signal cutoff in 2009. The 500 is a great machine and I was sorry to see it discontinued with no replacement.

I'm pretty happy after a couple of days with the series 3 and it does have 2 tuners, I managed to get the lifetime subscription transferred from my son's old tivo, plus the Sony 500 has a pretty good residual value if I decide to sell it.

Jack

Thanks for the FCC link, and if I remember, there was the mention of the limit of 1 meter antennas in the homeowners association rules and I assumed it to referred to the 18" dish, I guess I could have installed a 1 meter regular antenna instead. All things considered, I am satisified with my current decision of using the tivo and not worring about the analog signal cutoff in 2009. The 500 is a great machine and I was sorry to see it discontinued with no replacement.

I'm pretty happy after a couple of days with the series 3 and it does have 2 tuners, I managed to get the lifetime subscription transferred from my son's old tivo, plus the Sony 500 has a pretty good residual value if I decide to sell it.

Jack

Actually the 1-meter restriction applies only to dishes. There is no size restriction on TV antennas other than the fact that there may be permits required to go 12 feet higher than your roofline (for safety reasons).

I have an S3 as well and I like it too. I just wish they would enable Tivo-to-go on it.

I was never a tivo fan, I have 1 showstopper 2000, 1 replay 5040 and the Panasonic 85 DVD and Hard Drive recorder plus a sharp 37" with CC and an LG 32 with CC so I am pretty set. The frustration level just became too high with the Sony and FIOS. It's just tivo's deal was ending and I managed to work it out with the lifetime service. It seems nice but Tivo-to-go would be great, I also have a slingbox and it works with my sprint pda phone so how kool can that be!! I'll end this discussion on this note, I appreciate your input on my posts, catch you on the S3 threads!

Jack

I've got a question to run by the forum -

Does anybody know for sure if they're still selling the Sony's at the Fry's Electronics in Downers Grove. IL? Either one or both models. My brother in-law really digs mine, and he wants it for the DVR feature (naturally), but also so he can get rid of his cable box. And that he can own rather than renting - I don't think he's too thrilled about the latest price increases.

When I was there a couple of months back, they had both models, but they were still selling them at retail. I thought that since some people here are reporting they are currently getting them from other Fry's stores for less than that, that maybe the D.G. store lowered them, too.

(Maybe jmDomini would know this, if he's around here.)

You might want to check out the Sony Outlet store in Aurora. Around the holidays they had both 250s and 500s for less than retail. When I checked back then, they had brand new / unopened box units. The stock changed daily, so keep checking back if they don't have them on the day you check.

The Sony Outlet store near me in Texas hasn't had them for a while. I check often, but you never know what they will have at any time. Someone is dumping dozens of 250s on ebay, some surplus reseller. 500s are scarce.

Someone is dumping dozens of 250s on ebay, some surplus reseller.

Yes, I have seen them. I can't believe the price that people are bidding for them. Many of them don't even come with remotes so buyer beware!

Its been about a year now since these units went on sale for 250.00 at Tweeter. I'm still loving mine! :D

I've had a 500 for the last 15 months and it has been flawless, no loss of guides or rebooting but I just changed from Comcast to Verizon FIOS and after several trouble tickets and repeated calls it seems FIOS doesn't pass the Guide data through on their system. Our development won't allow roof antennas except 18" dishes and even an amplified indoor doesn't give me a good enough signal using the 9012 code to maintain a guide. And I'm too old to climb around in attics anymore!!

I finally gave in and bought the TIVO series 3 using 2 cablecards and it works like a champ. Hated to give up on the 500 because it has been a great unit but I drove myself crazy checking every channel and waiting the full day to find still no data!! The FIOS cablecard worked great in the 500 but without a good outside antenna for guide info I was ready to throw it out the window.

I now have 4 FIOS cable cards in use (ver 4.21 I think) and not one problem installing them compared to Comcrap Cable cards. If anyone is interested, I have a local FIOS video manager trying to resolve the guide data problem system wide for future users, I still have a Panny 85 HD/DVD recorder who's guide won't work either but I can still use the VCR Plus codes to do some recording and it has a user settable clock.

Sorry for the long post but the Sony is great and it has been so frustrating trying to get the Guide with FiOS that I just felt like venting. Keep sharing the good information.

Jack

Capt Jack,
Are you selling that HDD-500????

I recently purchased a new DHG-HDD250 on Ebay and have been struggling with it for the last couple of weeks as well as trying to read and search through much of this huge thread.

I live in San Diego, have Time Warner Digital Cable with the HD VIP Pak, and have been successfully using a CableCARD on my Sony KDL-V40XBR1 LCD HDTV. I also own 3 networked ReplayTV 5000 units, but have been wanting to record HD without renting a Cable company DVR, so this Sony seemed like the way to go for now, until there are some new choices out there (e.g. like the new Moxi consumer products I saw at CES that may come to market in 3Q07).

Anyway, I've some success with this unit and some frustrations and am looking for advice to confirm my suspicions:

Successes:

1) I am able to get the TVGOS guide to work (it apparently comes through on channel 10 locally)

2) When the CableCARD (Scientific Atlanta) works, I get all the channels I am supposed to get.


Frustrations:

1) I am on my second CableCARD (the first one had 161-1 and 161-6 errors, loosing VIP channels, etc). The new one is now getting 161-6 errors as well. First, it would just loose the VIP channels (no CableCARD status other than "inserted" on the system menus). Re-inserting the card would clear it up, but only temporarily (and re-setting my Guide each time!).

From what I've read here, should I pursue sending it to Sony Service to fix this or try another CableCARD?


2) The HDMI connection doesn't pass DD audio to my TV, only Video. If I run the HDMI cable through a switch so I can share the one input on the TV with my DVD Player, I get nothing through the switch from the DVR, while the DVD audio/video passes just fine. I called Sony Customer Service yesterday to complain about the HDMI, and to see if I can get the firmware upgraded (I have version 1.2.05). They emphatically said the there is no firmware upgrade available, and that the Sony would not pass audio via HDMI, and no fix was available. (I noticed another poster said that the USB firmware update may not work with 1.2.05 and that only a factory upgrade would work.)

Does the upgraded firmware help with this HDMI problem?


3) On a couple of the few programs I have recorded, but not all, I have noticed a sort of stuttering effect, where the sound flutters in and out, and sometimes there is a little pixelation artifact. My signal strength shows 88% "Good Quality" on most channels I've checked.

Is this a symptom of a signal strength problem or something else?


Thanks for any advice,

---Bob

Capt Jack,
Are you selling that HDD-500????

Thanks for asking,

Pretty sure I will, just been packing everything up in the original box and my neatnick wife may have put my manual someplace safe. I guess I'll print a double sided manual at work Monday. Hate to get rid of it but it's like new and I'll guarantee satisfaction to the buyer. My son sells on e-bay but I'll save that for a last resort.

I just informed my wife she bought me a valantines day gift (Series 3) and that I owe her a nice present.

Anyone interested can PM me.

Jack

Its been about a year now since these units went on sale for 250.00 at Tweeter. I'm still loving mine! :D
Yep! Had two already so I just picked up one. I wish I had picked up two at the time but I was thinking something new would come along to replace it. So far nothing new has come out to relace it. Darn I should have gotten two. Oh well it was a supper deal anyway. All of mine are still going strong.

I've had a 500 for the last 15 months and it has been flawless, no loss of guides or rebooting but I just changed from Comcast to Verizon FIOS and after several trouble tickets and repeated calls it seems FIOS doesn't pass the Guide data through on their system. Our development won't allow roof antennas except 18" dishes and even an amplified indoor doesn't give me a good enough signal using the 9012 code to maintain a guide. And I'm too old to climb around in attics anymore!!

I finally gave in and bought the TIVO series 3 using 2 cablecards and it works like a champ. Hated to give up on the 500 because it has been a great unit but I drove myself crazy checking every channel and waiting the full day to find still no data!! The FIOS cablecard worked great in the 500 but without a good outside antenna for guide info I was ready to throw it out the window.

I now have 4 FIOS cable cards in use (ver 4.21 I think) and not one problem installing them compared to Comcrap Cable cards. If anyone is interested, I have a local FIOS video manager trying to resolve the guide data problem system wide for future users, I still have a Panny 85 HD/DVD recorder who's guide won't work either but I can still use the VCR Plus codes to do some recording and it has a user settable clock.

Sorry for the long post but the Sony is great and it has been so frustrating trying to get the Guide with FiOS that I just felt like venting. Keep sharing the good information.

Jack


How much does Verizon charge for cablecards?

1) I am on my second CableCARD (the first one had 161-1 and 161-6 errors, loosing VIP channels, etc). The new one is now getting 161-6 errors as well. First, it would just loose the VIP channels (no CableCARD status other than "inserted" on the system menus). Re-inserting the card would clear it up, but only temporarily (and re-setting my Guide each time!).

From what I've read here, should I pursue sending it to Sony Service to fix this or try another CableCARD?


2) The HDMI connection doesn't pass DD audio to my TV, only Video. If I run the HDMI cable through a switch so I can share the one input on the TV with my DVD Player, I get nothing through the switch from the DVR, while the DVD audio/video passes just fine. I called Sony Customer Service yesterday to complain about the HDMI, and to see if I can get the firmware upgraded (I have version 1.2.05). They emphatically said the there is no firmware upgrade available, and that the Sony would not pass audio via HDMI, and no fix was available. (I noticed another poster said that the USB firmware update may not work with 1.2.05 and that only a factory upgrade would work.)

Does the upgraded firmware help with this HDMI problem?


3) On a couple of the few programs I have recorded, but not all, I have noticed a sort of stuttering effect, where the sound flutters in and out, and sometimes there is a little pixelation artifact. My signal strength shows 88% "Good Quality" on most channels I've checked.

Is this a symptom of a signal strength problem or something else?


Thanks for any advice,

---Bob[/QUOTE]
Hi Bob,
As far as the 161-6 error, I believe that it requires the unit to be sent in for a hardware fix. Check out SpiffSpace at the front of this forum for the faq on this unit. I read that a number of people have had problems with cable cards and have gone through the same thing. The cable companies are required by FCC regs to support third party machines with cable cards, yet they continue to resist. Call your cable provider and get them to get this right.
As far as your HDMI problem, I have the same firmware on my two units. They are hooked up to my Denon AVR with HDMI cables and I have never had any audio or video problems. Works great. The Tv is hooked up from the AVR by HDMI as well. Of course I use the surround system and not the tv speaker.
I did have to do some setup with the units and the AVR via the audio setup menus. HDMI will carry both audio and video, so it should work with your setup. My girlfriend has a Pioneer Elite and her dvr is connected directly to her tv by HDMI. Have not had any problems with it. So, perhaps you need to check your audio menus to see if something needs to be set for the tv to accept the audio, or the unit needs something set in order to send that audio out. Or maybe you have a bad HDMI cable. I get all flavors of audio through the HDMI from the dvr to my AVR. Sony tech was off base when he said HDMI will not pass audio. That is what this cable is suppose to do.
Your last problem sounds like you have a bad cable feed or a bad connection ( cable end crimp, splitter, etc...)some where. Or you might be picking up some excessive hum from electrical sources causing some interference with your cable signal. Call and have the cable company out to check the line from the box/pole outside and then inside. They should be able to tell if you have some cable line problems.
Just be firm and resolute with them. You may need to go through several tech and/or supervisors to get your problems solved.
Michael

My observations with the DHG-HDD250 ATSC tuner :

I have a large outdoor antenna with preamp on tower. I have the coax running to a splitter with one feed to my Sony KDS-60A2000 TV (w/5th gen tuner) and one feed to the DHG-HDD250. So both the TV and DVR are getting equal signal.

I tuned in to a couple of low power channels (2kW and 3kW at 33 miles) where the TV has a rock solid pix, but the DVR has breakup..I experimented by putting a variable attentuator inline with the DVR. Turning DOWN the signal a bit actually reduced breakup. Turning up the signal caused more breakup. There seemed to be a sweet spot between too much signal and too little signal where breakup was at a minimum. So it seems that the DHG-HDD250 can't handle overload as well as the TV. Rather than leave the attentuator inline, I changed the 2-port splitter to a 4-port model thus outputting less signal per port (sort of a permanent fixed attentuator). The TV doesn't seem to care. The DVR has less breakup than before. (Regardless though, TV seems better than DVR no matter what I do - probably because 5th generation vs 4th generation tuner(?))

Bottom line..use caution when using amplification with OTA antennas. If you do use them, try experimenting with a variable attentuator to find the right signal strength. Sometimes less is more.

Verizon charges $2.99 per cablecard but no outlet fee like comcast adds, I have read about all the cablecard problems and errors but the Verizon ones (ver 4.21) all worked in the Sony 500, Sharp 37" LCD and my LG 32" LCD and now the Series 3 the first time as long as the tech enters the correct serial numbers etc correctly. Once the cards were programmed I could take them out and move them to any of the units. When I bought the Tivo, I took the Sony and the LG cards and put them in the unit and they came right on, I was surprised after reading the horror stories how stable these cards are. A tech came back yesterday and installed the one extra card I needed to replace in the LG, no problem!!

Jack

Bottom line..use caution when using amplification with OTA antennas. If you do use them, try experimenting with a variable attentuator to find the right signal strength. Sometimes less is more.

FYI - There is a SIGNAL Strength INDICATOR in a Display
Screen of the HDD. It tells you if you are too strong or
too weak.

Yes. :D
you can do that and also attach an antenna to the DHG-HDDxxx and get free HD, depending on your location.
THANK YOU.

FYI - There is a SIGNAL Strength INDICATOR in a Display
Screen of the HDD. It tells you if you are too strong or
too weak.

Where/how does it tell you that the signal is too strong? All I see is a SNR reading.

Sometimes just using your eyes is simpler and more accurate :
less breakups = more reliable signal.

Where/how does it tell you that the signal is too strong? All I see is a SNR reading.

Under system menu there is a signal strength indicator for digital channels. Under diagnosics is where you see the SNR. If you have good signal strength and the SNR is low (under 25) it could be an indication that you are over amplifing the signal. Quite often a very strong (amplified) signal will increase the multipath which might show as low SNR.

Where/how does it tell you that the signal is too strong? All I see is a SNR reading.

Sometimes just using your eyes is simpler and more accurate :
less breakups = more reliable signal.

Menu > Preferences > System > System Menu

There are TWO Signal Strength BAR Meters on the bottom of
the screen.. The Left one shows CABLE and the Right one is
OTA Signal Strength.

NOTE - You must be tuned to a Digital Channel for the Signal
Strength meter to work. Either Cable or OTA.

Menu > Preferences > System > System Menu

There are TWO Signal Strength BAR Meters on the bottom of
the screen.. The Left one shows CABLE and the Right one is
OTA Signal Strength.

NOTE - You must be tuned to a Digital Channel for the Signal
Strength meter to work. Either Cable or OTA.

It also takes a few seconds for it to actually register a value.

It also takes a few seconds for it to actually register a value.

JUST A FEW - not too long ;)

Answered this for Ramm over in the Rockford thread, but yes Fry's at least as of a few weeks ago did have both the 250 and 500 Sony DVR's. Still selling a full price though, I think $800 and $999 respectively. I wouldn't pay that much, especially considering it may be a doorstop come 2009.

I've got a question to run by the forum -

Does anybody know for sure if they're still selling the Sony's at the Fry's Electronics in Downers Grove. IL?
(Maybe jmDomini would know this, if he's around here.)

Alright, I tried searching this thread for a definite answer, but the replies I found weren't completely clear.
There are some digital channels with Comcast here in CT that carry on-demand content to my neighbors (I guess?), but they aren't always on. When I do an auto-scan some are found and many others are not. If 85.44 and 85.50 are auto scanned to my channel list, there are other channels in between that are on later. I can manually tune these stations, but cannot manually add the channels to the channel list.
I can auto-scan again, add wait half-an-hour, and still miss some channels. I can tell the TVGOS to tune the channel when editing the lineup (I imagine).
Finally, the question:
Is there a way to manually add a cable channel to the channel list? Or is the auto-scan the only way?

Thanks in advance

dog -

I asked about this a few months ago. The general conclusion was that the only way to add channels is to do a scan,
thus losing any channels that happen to be "off" at the time. I was trying to find a way to add channels for the exact
same reason as you (VOD). If you discover something, please let us know.

One way to "keep" channels that come and go is to put them in the TV guide listings. For example, if you see "something" on 85.44, you can take a "unused" channel in the TV Guide and assign it to 85.44. The "info", "gov", and other such listings are good to use. Of course, you won't get listings (at least not correct listings) for the "interesting" channels but they will be in your guide for quick tuning. You can do that on ANY channel; it doesn't not matter if scan sees the channel or not.

One way to "keep" channels that come and go is to put them in the TV guide listings. For example, if you see "something" on 85.44, you can take a "unused" channel in the TV Guide and assign it to 85.44. The "info", "gov", and other such listings are good to use. Of course, you won't get listings (at least not correct listings) for the "interesting" channels but they will be in your guide for quick tuning. You can do that on ANY channel; it doesn't not matter if scan sees the channel or not.
I'm not sure you even need to assign the "wrong" channel to keep an intermittent channel, TVGOS list of channels (including all the "off" channels seems pretty exhaustive)...
there seems to be a lot of uncertainty about TVGOS once analog drops in 2009, does anyone have any sort of official answer as to what will happen to TVGOS? will it switch to digital, etc...?

No power outages, or anything. Kind of surprised.

My hiccups like this have always been connected to a power event.
I have my HDDs on a UPS now. One of my units did this also at
the beginning of this year, even though it is on a UPS. I think TVGOS
was doing some kind of software updates --- JUST A GUESS HOWEVER.

here' s a question that I've been wrestling with for a while. I lives about 3 miles away from Chicago downtown and the main OTA antennas. I have a small UHF loop inside antenna. It works well on some stations(CBS and FOX) and not so well on others (ABC and NBC). I am constantly having to change the antenna orientation for me to get all channels with crystal clear reception. Is it possible that I'm too close to the OTA antenna downtown and I might need to lessen the signal strength coming in?

or is it that my antenna sucks and I need an outdoor antenna?

Thanks for your answers.

here' s a question that I've been wrestling with for a while. I lives about 3 miles away from Chicago downtown and the main OTA antennas. I have a small UHF loop inside antenna. It works well on some stations(CBS and FOX) and not so well on others (ABC and NBC). I am constantly having to change the antenna orientation for me to get all channels with crystal clear reception. Is it possible that I'm too close to the OTA antenna downtown and I might need to lessen the signal strength coming in?

or is it that my antenna sucks and I need an outdoor antenna?

Thanks for your answers.

DO THIS and FIND OUT ---

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9680152&&#post9680152

here' s a question that I've been wrestling with for a while. I lives about 3 miles away from Chicago downtown and the main OTA antennas. I have a small UHF loop inside antenna. It works well on some stations(CBS and FOX) and not so well on others (ABC and NBC). I am constantly having to change the antenna orientation for me to get all channels with crystal clear reception. Is it possible that I'm too close to the OTA antenna downtown and I might need to lessen the signal strength coming in?

or is it that my antenna sucks and I need an outdoor antenna?

Thanks for your answers.

That is surprising to me. I don't live in Chicago, but it seems that if you are using a small UHF antenna, you should have an easier time getting ABC, NBC, and FOX, since they are UHF channels, while CBS should be the tougher one (since it is on digital channel 2 - a difficult to receive station).

Could part of your problem be transmitter locations?

It looks like the transmitters are on both the Sears and Hancock buildings. Are you in a place that these locations are both in the same direction?

Have you looked in this thread for OTA Chicago reception?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=444398

Yeah - I wondered if it was a software update up the chain.

At the beginning of the year - [FYI I have 5 HDDs] either Comcast
of TVGOS did some kind of update. All (5) of my HDDs had the
guide completely wiped out. They did come back and 1 out of 5
lost the SPECIFIC program line-up. Not all my units have the
same rev of OS - so maybe that is way only 1 out 5 lost the
programmed line up and the others didn't.

I've started a brute force experiment to discover whether there are any 4-digit menu codes we haven't yet found. I'm using a cheap D-Link Ethernet webcam and a RedRat2 (http://www.redrat.co.uk/) serial port IR interface in conjunction with a Perl script to go through all 10000 possible codes. For each iteration, the script presses "exit menu screenmode NNNN" and then snaps a low-res picture of the resulting screen, naming it 0000.jpg, 0001.jpg etc. It's covering about ten codes per minute, so it should be done in about 17 hours. It should be easy to find the "interesting" code numbers by just examining the file sizes. I could also splice the images into an AVI file to make a quick visual scan for the "blips"... Stay tuned...

snaps a low-res picture of the resulting screen, naming it 0000.jpg, 0001.jpg etc. Stay tuned...

Wow. Good luck manually scanning through 10000 pictures.

-phil

Wow. Good luck manually scanning through 10000 pictures.

-phil
if he was even more of a nerd, with a large enough hard drive, he'd save the images uncompressed, and write a program to go through all of them and pickout the ones with positive results (it would be harder to do this if the images are compressed, but definitely still possible)

there seems to be a lot of uncertainty about TVGOS once analog drops in 2009, does anyone have any sort of official answer as to what will happen to TVGOS? will it switch to digital, etc...?

TVGOS is currently testing its distribution via digital channels (see details below).

Last month, before my warranty was ready to expire, I spent a lot of time on the phone (and sending e-mails) with both the Sony warranty people and the tech support people trying to find out what is going to happen on Feb. 17, 2009 (unless the govenment moves the date back) with the Sony units and the TVGOS. I was seriously thinking about taking out the 3 year warranty (I thought that the warranty might cover the unit if the guide was no longer functional in 2009). After much research (by me and Sony) I found out that it would not be covered if the guide did not function. According to a Sony tech (also, after much research) there is NO software upgrade currently planned for this unit to enable it to receive a digital TVGOS guide (which some PBS stations like WCET-DT in Cincinnati are now testing). I did take out another one year warranty and I will see what Sony says a year from now but I am not hopefull that we will get the upgrade for the digital TVGOS on the Sony DHG units.

If anyone gets any additional information about the guide or software upgrades please post it here.

According to a Sony tech (also, after much research) there is NO software upgrade currently planned for this unit to enable it to receive a digital TVGOS guide (which some PBS stations like WCET-DT in Cincinnati are now testing). I did take out another one year warranty and I will see what Sony says a year from now but I am not hopefull that we will get the upgrade for the digital TVGOS on the Sony DHG units.

I don't think Sony has anything to do with it. It would be an upgrade on the TVGOS side that would be required. Obviously they are working on it.

Wow. Good luck manually scanning through 10000 pictures.l

No time for that. Looks like jpegdiff (http://www.marengo-ltd.com/open_source/index.php) will make quick work of analyzing the results.

there seems to be a lot of uncertainty about TVGOS once analog drops in 2009, does anyone have any sort of official answer as to what will happen to TVGOS? will it switch to digital, etc...?Gemstar claims to be working on getting the converter boxes (digital to analog for legacy NTSC sets) to include VBI processing from the digital host channel. Earlier in this thread, someone posted a link to a Gemstar document that tells about their effort.

If this happens, then its a simple matter to get a converter box in 2009, and use a combiner to add the analog host channel to your feed.

I don't think Sony has anything to do with it. It would be an upgrade on the TVGOS side that would be required. Obviously they are working on it.

According to both the TVGOS people and the Sony support people both the TVGOS software AND the Sony firmware need to be updated in order for the digital TVGOS to work. The TVGOS can be updated via a station that is currently providing the TV Guide data. The Sony software could be updated via the USB port with a (128 MB) thumbdrive but Sony isn't (as of last month) planning on writing the software.

Gemstar claims to be working on getting the converter boxes (digital to analog for legacy NTSC sets) to include VBI processing from the digital host channel.

A DIGITAL host channel has no VBI data. VBI is only used on ANALOG channels. According to an engineer at a local PBS stations that is testing the digital TVGOS the guide information is provided in a secondary data stream. According to him there are a few HDTVs on the market that have the software to allow them to receive the digital TVGOS.

...The Sony software could be updated via the USB port with a (128 MB) thumbdrive but Sony isn't (as of last month) planning on writing the software.As long as they can find a way to claim it isn't covered by extended warranty, what do they care? Certainly not about us. However it's perhaps a stretch for them to insist it isn't dysfunctionally defective, if they neglected to provide a way to set the clock. So if it can't be *fixed* come 2009, what would the extended warranty provide?

Can you add an extra HDD to either the 250 or 500 model?

Can you add an extra HDD to either the 250 or 500 model?That would be no and no.

We are still anxiously awaiting some breakthrough from the reenignE (http://dp70.dyndns.org/). :)

Whether or not it's worth some kludge to set the clock come 2009, by then may well depend on our ability to replace the HDD.

According to both the TVGOS people and the Sony support people both the TVGOS software AND the Sony firmware need to be updated in order for the digital TVGOS to work. The TVGOS can be updated via a station that is currently providing the TV Guide data. The Sony software could be updated via the USB port with a (128 MB) thumbdrive but Sony isn't (as of last month) planning on writing the software.
So why couldn't TVGOS write and provide the firmware for the equipment out there? Or is this limited for the manufacture to do?

A DIGITAL host channel has no VBI data. VBI is only used on ANALOG channels. According to an engineer at a local PBS stations that is testing the digital TVGOS the guide information is provided in a secondary data stream. According to him there are a few HDTVs on the market that have the software to allow them to receive the digital TVGOS.
So with todays technology, there's absolutely no way at all to send VBI data over a digital host channel? I'm sure somebody out there could figure it out. I guess I don't understand how it all works.

Thanks

Gemstar claims to be working on getting the converter boxes (digital to analog for legacy NTSC sets) to include VBI processing from the digital host channel. Earlier in this thread, someone posted a link to a Gemstar document that tells about their effort.

If this happens, then its a simple matter to get a converter box in 2009, and use a combiner to add the analog host channel to your feed.Figured they'd come up with something along those lines. There's just too many existing devices out there using the service for them not to seriously try and come up with some kind of workable solution.

On the other hand, what will really suck is if you have to buy a separate box for each unit (I now have 4). Guess I'll just have to only use the guide on the most important one, which is my Sony DVR (natch' :cool: ).

We are still anxiously awaiting some breakthrough from the reenignE (http://dp70.dyndns.org/). :)


There is no mention of DHG there, his project must not be for public consumption.

Apparently the findings (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8983354&&#post8983354) are still being rolled in here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9691406&&#post9691406). :cool:

A DIGITAL host channel has no VBI data.I'm not claiming that is does. What I said was that the converter boxes would have VBI data on the analog output signal, and this VBI data would be derived from the digital signal. Perhaps I should have worded it differently.what will really suck is if you have to buy a separate box for each unit... I don't think that would be necessary. Just one converter box upstream of all your splitters.

I still don't understand why they can't carry VBI data over a digital channel?

In response to a support request, one of my coworkers received a USB thumb drive from Sony containing the files for 1.2.13. His unit successfully updated from that thumb drive (just insert the drive while the unit is turned on and idle), but mine would not. We did take the thumb drive to Sears and successfully updated their DHG-HDD250s for them, so the files don't seem to be tied to a particular serial number. That leads me to believe that version 1.2.05 can't be updated via USB but later versions can.


I know I'm more than a little late to this particular conversation, however my unit updated from 1.2.05 to 1.2.13 via USB.

I still don't understand why they can't carry VBI data over a digital channel?

The nature of the data contained in the VBI is inherently analog.

VBI is an acronym for "Vertical Blanking Interval". This is the period of time between the drawing of the last line of a frame, and the first line of the next frame.

Lots of data can be embedded in this part of the analog signal, including closed captions, XDS information, TVGOS data, etc.

A digital signal doesn't have a vertical blanking interval, so it is impossible to embed data in this manner. Data can be embedded in a digital broadcast, but it is a different protocol (typically PSIP data). The TVGOS devices aren't all set up to handle this data type.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_blanking_interval

I still don't understand why they can't carry VBI data over a digital channel?

The VBI data could be transmitted over digital, but in a very different form. You see, VBI stands for Vertical Blanking Interval, I believe. The analog TV signal is basically inactive for a period of each frame while the electron beam is repositioned. The engineers took advantage of that unused signal time and added the TVGOS data.

The digital signal has no need for a blanking interval. But, again, the digital signal does have the idea of carrying additional program data. My old HDTV tuner could display a program guide, although some stations didn't provide the data.

I know I'm more than a little late to this particular conversation, however my unit updated from 1.2.05 to 1.2.13 via USB.

Cool! Did you use your own USB thumbdrive or one provided by Sony? Either way, please post the details on the particular thumbdrive that worked.

I know I'm more than a little late to this particular conversation, however my unit updated from 1.2.05 to 1.2.13 via USB.

Would someone be willing to take a dd of the files on the thumb drive and host them somwhere ? I recently picked up a used unit out of warrently and want to upgrade. I noticed the 1.2.05 units do not allow "native" format.

Would someone be willing to take a dd of the files on the thumb drive and host them somwhere ? I recently picked up a used unit out of warrently and want to upgrade. I noticed the 1.2.05 units do not allow "native" format.

I CAN PROVIDE the hosting site - but I don't have the files.

I know I'm more than a little late to this particular conversation, however my unit updated from 1.2.05 to 1.2.13 via USB.
Is there a link to the image file on USB thumb so we can all download? Thanks.

I use the units for recording clear QAM.

I realized since yesterday, that several channels are now showing no signal (CBS, ABC, a couple of others) and a couple (NBC, FOX) are sporadic.

I rescanned several times and the previous QAM channels were not found- even NBC and FOX which I can tune to sometimes.

Anyone else?

I am the new owner of an HDD250 purchased from eBay. Before I bought this unit, I did a lot of reading (and daily subscription to the digest) from this forum. You guys sure do know a lot about these units! So, I hope you won't mind if I ask some simple questions (simple for you guys/gals).

Sources: I am in the DFW area and have a local cable company, OneSource communications which is broadcasting analog and digital, non-encrypted channels over cable. I recently dumped their $10.95/month HD package which was a joke. I got this unit so I could pick up HD channels OTA. No cable card required currently.

I have installed my unit and have done the initial air/cable channel scan and the unit found about 22/29 analog/digital air channels and 127/129 analog/digital cable channels.

I am using a Harmony 688 to control the unit and that seems to be working fine.

Last night, I went through the TVGOS setup, put in my zip code of 76248, indicated that I had cable and air and I wasn't controlling my VCR through the unit.

I turned the unit off last night and thought I would have a guide listing this morning. This morning, the unit has the correct time displayed, but no guide.

I've read a lot on this forum on selecting a host channel, specifically an OTA host versus a cable channel host, but I cannot find a menu to do that.

I read on the TVGOS site that the guide will include my OTA listings, but not my cable. Is that true? Is there a way to combine them on the guide?

Does anyone have a nice newbie guide that they could send to me?

Many thanks!
Larry Erdman

updated from 1.2.05 to 1.2.13 via USB.

What is the advantage of this update?

I use the units for recording clear QAM.

I realized since yesterday, that several channels are now showing no signal (CBS, ABC, a couple of others) and a couple (NBC, FOX) are sporadic.

I rescanned several times and the previous QAM channels were not found- even NBC and FOX which I can tune to sometimes.

Anyone else?

In my area the Networks & Station owners are waging war against the Cable Companies, so there is little of the major network HD programming available on cable. Even the Superbowl broadcast on the CBS analog station was being held hostage, although a last minute extension agreement was reached that allowed that game to be retransmitted over cable. Maybe the battleground has expanded into New Jersey?

A DIGITAL host channel has no VBI data. VBI is only used on ANALOG channels. According to an engineer at a local PBS stations that is testing the digital TVGOS the guide information is provided in a secondary data stream. According to him there are a few HDTVs on the market that have the software to allow them to receive the digital TVGOS.

I'd like to know what those HDTVs are.

I am the new owner of an HDD250 purchased from eBay.

I've read a lot on this forum on selecting a host channel, specifically an OTA host versus a cable channel host, but I cannot find a menu to do that.

I read on the TVGOS site that the guide will include my OTA listings, but not my cable. Is that true? Is there a way to combine them on the guide?

Does anyone have a nice newbie guide that they could send to me?

Many thanks!
Larry Erdman

Larry, just be patient, it usually takes at least 24 hours turned off to show any data. It may help to tune to your local PBS station before you turn it off, it probably carries the data.

Both OTA and cable channels are combined in the guide. I find it simpler to use just OTA or just cable but it probably doesn't matter.

A newbie guide? There is a FAQ at the front of the thread.
THere is a secret screen to see the host channel and the flow of VBI data shown in the FAQ.
You can p-message me with any questions but I see you have less than 5 posts.
Ron in Austin.

I know this is probably a simple thing again from a newbie, but how do you turn off the demonstration loop that comes on when you first turn on the unit? I've tried to go into the TVGOS system and delete it, but its still there.
yours must have been a store display set to Demo. I have seen in a secret menu how to turn ON the Demo so you can probably turn it off there. I have never seen the demo, are you sure it's not just the setup sequence?

On remote, Push the MENU button and then SCREEN MODE button and then numbers 9012.
i could be wrong on the button names on the remote. It's the 9012 menu in the FAQ. THis brings up 4 choices, one is Demo mode. Going by memory here.

I know this is probably a simple thing again from a newbie, but how do you turn off the demonstration loop that comes on when you first turn on the unit? I've tried to go into the TVGOS system and delete it, but its still there.

Is this the same one they show in the stores? I was wondering how the video was placed on the hard drive. I think the title is something like SXRD Demo...I want to turn mine on and watch it....let us know :D

Demo Mode is in the 9012 menu. and in the FAQ page.

I think they all have movie trailers on them too from the factory too, and if you do a reformat or factory reset, the trailers load back into the recordings list. Most (all) of my HDDs have been used, so it's usually deleted.

According to him there are a few HDTVs on the market that have the software to allow them to receive the digital TVGOS.

I'd like to know what those HDTVs are.

I did ask him about brands and models but, offhand, he did not know which ones had it. I looked through some of the new model press releases but I did not see any that said that they had TVGOS.

I did ask him about brands and models but, offhand, he did not know which ones had it. I looked through some of the new model press releases but I did not see any that said that they had TVGOS.
Is this something that could be fixed through software/firmware updates on TV's if they aren't ready for the digital TVGOS

Cool! Did you use your own USB thumbdrive or one provided by Sony? Either way, please post the details on the particular thumbdrive that worked.


It was provided by Sony, and I did the upgrade last February. The thumb drive seems nothing special - a 128mb USB2 Sony MicroVault model USM128E.

Coming from the earliest 1.2.05 I can safely say there are NO significant or even minor operational differences between 05 and 13. Besides for an HDMI update that they say only affected a single brand of television, absolutely NONE of the bugs I noticed in 05 were corrected. No new menu features. No performance differences.

I may be a day late and a dollar short on this...but have you all heard about the new Sony DVR?

The VGX-XL3 will have...HDTV record/playback, cablecard, Blu-Ray disc record/playback, and no fees.

The New Sony (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?CategoryName=cpu_digitallivingsystemh&ProductSKU=VGXXL3&Dept=computers&INT=sstyle-cpu_VAIODesktopComputers-deptfeature-VGXXL3|sstyle:sy_cat_content_p:cpu_vaiodesktopcomputers)

PLUS...the Sony rep says, ethernet connectivity to the program guide.

I'm gettin' one.