The Official Samsung SlimFit HDTV Thread... [Text View] - Page 4

riffjim4069

03-12-06, 05:17 PM

I revise my previous statement, I do have geometry issues (I just bought the TV last night, so I'm still tinkering). I turned on ESPN and the bottom ticker does bow up slightly in the middle. It is very slight and I could live with it, but combine it with the loud power up noise and I've decided to return the TV.I too revise my previous statement about my 2nd replacement 3081 having only slight geometry issues. Ok, they aren't that bad...but I do have some bowing outside the center of the screen and then again near the outside center...it's just that I can't seem to resolve the problems. I fired up a HDNET test pattern and modified the DEFLECTION, VIDEO ADJUST 1 and VIDEO ADJUST 2, and a few other settings, but I just keep moving the problem around the screen. :(

I have an 3+ year old Mitsubishi Diamond RPTV CRT which I typically converge and tweak once or twice a year...it's a snap compared to getting the 3081 to display properly. Ugh! Any tips or spare bullets would be appreciated. :rolleyes:

={<SMOKE>}=

03-12-06, 05:49 PM

qip

03-12-06, 07:04 PM

can some of you post some images to how bad it is.... heres mine , seems ok to me but sorry for my terrible crapcam , the top left had a moving ticker

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/894/1112pf.th.jpg (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1112pf.jpg)

ojupTV

03-13-06, 01:45 PM

justsc

03-13-06, 02:16 PM

I have 3079 model and trying to hook up my PC with it and hoping that I can browse internet with this huge screen. I thought HDMI or Component connection is better than Svideo, but it is the same.

I have tried to connect my ATI 9700 pro using DVI to HDMI , but the text its blury but readable from about 10 feet away. Then I tried using my Nvidia 6200 to connect it using component cable. Still the text is blury maybe bleed.
Movie picture quality using those connection is acceptable but not great.

Do I have to set up anything?
Does anyone know how to overcome this or can direct me to the right channel?
why tube does not give me crispy text like lcd tv?

thank you in advance
The best results come from setting your tv to 480p using either component or HDMI/DVI cables. But using a crt hd set for web browsing isn't the best use of the set. I also tried this with my Sony 34" crt set and it's just not good enough.

You might try posting to the HTPC thread here on AVS. There's some great guys there that know a whole lot more about this than I do.

Good Luck! ;)

justsc

03-13-06, 02:20 PM

the fact of the matter is that these tv's are garbage. samsung has been completely unhelpful in assissting me with my problems. i've left messages for their executive customer service dept that go unreturned. they should step up and replace this tv with one that works--meaning that it can display straight lines and doesn't give off a burning smell when it's been on for a while.

to be honest, i plan on looking into some type of legal action against the company tomorrow. i'm sure they'll change their tune when they're looking at a class-action lawsuit...
You do realize that for a class-action lawsuit you need alot of other folks to go in on this with you to constitute a "class"?

You also have to show that Samsung essentially broke their contract with you as per the warranty. I fully understand your anger but I don't see alot of hope for this suit. I believe you'd be better off dogging Samsung night and day until they do right by you.

Best of Luck whatever you do! ;)

mercury

03-13-06, 02:25 PM

KoRn

03-13-06, 02:45 PM

Its a great tv. Some people just got some bad ones thats all.

i almost purchased this set.but not now.instead ill grab an LCD for 300 more.

bmbriefs

03-13-06, 04:23 PM

firmtech

03-13-06, 04:27 PM

CACA returned to BB.

rcs476

03-13-06, 05:01 PM

i almost purchased this set.but not now.instead ill grab an LCD for 300 more.

Wise choice.

I ended up spending 1900 more on a plasma. Either way, the geometry flaws will be a distant memory going with a panel. Good luck with your purchase.

strilan

03-14-06, 10:12 AM

Hi all,
It seems that the 27" model does not seem to have as many of the geometry issues that the 30" does. I'm thinking about buying this model.
I was at BB the other day checking one out and I noticed that this had black bars when displaying 4:3 format. This seems crazy since it's a 4:3 TV, do all of these TV's display these bars in 4:3 or was it just a buggy unit that I was looking at?
thanks!
Bryce

Bryce,

I have the 27" and have 0 issues with the things that are being talked about on this thread. You will have black bars on HD channels unless you stretch the screen. If you are watching 4:3 programming there is no letterbox on the screen. The only thing I don't like about the 27" is when you are watching High Definition programming the screen doesn't look right stretched (on some programs it looks okay) so when you view it on 16:9 you lose a couple inches of screen space. Not a problem if you watch your TV from a short distance but on basketball and other sports the screen can look small.

justsc

03-14-06, 11:15 AM

Hi all,
It seems that the 27" model does not seem to have as many of the geometry issues that the 30" does. I'm thinking about buying this model.
I was at BB the other day checking one out and I noticed that this had black bars when displaying 4:3 format. This seems crazy since it's a 4:3 TV, do all of these TV's display these bars in 4:3 or was it just a buggy unit that I was looking at?
thanks!
Bryce
Please explain a little further. The bars you were seeing - were they letterbox bars (top & bottom) or pillarbox bars (sides) , or both (postage stamp)?

It's common to see various combinations when the original signal was SD, and it was upconverted to HD, and then rebroadcast as SD. It can get very convoluted.

bmbriefs

03-14-06, 12:16 PM

Thanks for the review Strilan, nice to see somebody liked their purchase!

Please explain a little further. The bars you were seeing - were they letterbox bars (top & bottom) or pillarbox bars (sides) , or both (postage stamp)?

It's common to see various combinations when the original signal was SD, and it was upconverted to HD, and then rebroadcast as SD. It can get very convoluted.

Justsc-
I was looking at at digital channel (channel 5.1 in the Twin Cities), and the TV was showing pillarbox bars. It seemed to me like the TV "thought" that it was a widescreen, using pillarboxes, despite being a 4:3 set (we all have dreams, I guess).
Also, although the TV had "stretch" options, none of them could be selected, they were all greyed out.
I'm new to HDTV, so I could be missing something obvious.
What does this sound like to you?
-thanks for your opinion

justsc

03-14-06, 04:38 PM

Thanks for the review Strilan, nice to see somebody liked their purchase!

Justsc-
I was looking at at digital channel (channel 5.1 in the Twin Cities), and the TV was showing pillarbox bars. It seemed to me like the TV "thought" that it was a widescreen, using pillarboxes, despite being a 4:3 set (we all have dreams, I guess).
Also, although the TV had "stretch" options, none of them could be selected, they were all greyed out.
I'm new to HDTV, so I could be missing something obvious.
What does this sound like to you?
-thanks for your opinion
It sounds just like an HD broadcast of material that was originally SD. When an HD set refuses to stretch it almost always means it's receiving an HD signal. On my local HD channels the news is always pillarboxed (I have a widescreen set) because it's an upconverted SD broadcast. It refuses to stretch because the only setting for HD is "Full," however that is on any given HD set. I am surprised what you saw wasn't also letterboxed.

bmbriefs

03-14-06, 04:56 PM

That sounds right to me, I was watching the local news at the time. Perhaps it was also letterboxed, I'll take a closer look next time.

Ben Music

03-14-06, 05:39 PM

Anybody know the differance between the 3080 and the 3081?

Ben Music

deadzone

03-16-06, 11:30 AM

So has anyone else purchased one of the 30 inch Samsung Slimfit series lately and had a good experience with it out of the box? Anyone purchase one recently and been able to fix any problems out of the box via Calibration disc or Warranty repair?

qip

03-16-06, 12:34 PM

i paid for my 3080 early feb, but it was last box J&R had and it had damage on it so i didnt want to take the chance and had to wait for new shipment which finally came last week, so far all is good , so now im also looking into the lg30fs4d for the living room

mazersteven

03-16-06, 07:10 PM

Does anyone know the best place (Price) to purchase the 27" Slimfit? :D

deadzone

03-16-06, 09:33 PM

I would check Sam's Club if you have one around you. I noticed the other day that they started carrying them. :)

trafick

03-17-06, 07:51 AM

Hey deadzone,
I purchased my 3079 on 1/27/06. I'll have to say that the picture out of the box was pretty crappy. After shutting off all the automatic stuff and running Avia through it, it came out looking better.

Then I spent another 6hrs fiddling with the geometry problems and I got them to acceptable. Not perfect, but acceptable. The Mrs. thinks it looks great and really thats all that matters. In fact, I thought the BB games looked pretty good on it yesterday, even better than on my 52" rear projection. But it does take a lot of time and patience to get it close.

Another problem with adjusting geometry is that all the settings interact. One will change another, also what you see is not necessarily what you get. You may actually have to over tweak it in service mode so when you change back to regular mode it looks okay.

On another note, has any one noticed that Avia color saturation is way to high. I adjust color and hue to their specs and then, after trying to watch the set with their settings, adjust the color down by about 15 clicks.

All I know is that I am very happy with this set and so is the Mrs. Maybe it's because we are video idiots (as many on this forum seem to allude to) or maybe because we like what we like. JMHO

georgemoe

03-17-06, 08:13 AM

Bringing my dads 3079 back to CC tomorrow for a refund. While I thought the picture quality at 1080i was very very good, some of the geometry issues sealed the return. That and my local BB was discontinuing the LG 30FS4D. They only had two and we got the display as open box 10% off. They had just put it up Mon/Tue of this week so it basically new.

Had the LG opportunity not come along, he would have kept the 3079. The geometry problems did not bother him and he didn't notice them. The real kicker for me was that with the LG, he got a QAM tuner to go with the ATSC tuner. Now he gets a few more locals channels in HD that he couldn't get with ATSC.

vilcabti

03-17-06, 09:20 AM

I have 3079 model and trying to hook up my PC with it and hoping that I can browse internet with this huge screen. I thought HDMI or Component connection is better than Svideo, but it is the same.

I have tried to connect my ATI 9700 pro using DVI to HDMI , but the text its blury but readable from about 10 feet away. Then I tried using my Nvidia 6200 to connect it using component cable. Still the text is blury maybe bleed.
Movie picture quality using those connection is acceptable but not great.

Do I have to set up anything?
Does anyone know how to overcome this or can direct me to the right channel?
why tube does not give me crispy text like lcd tv?

thank you in advance
Hi. I 've hooked my ATI AIW 9600 via ATI dongle RGB-->YUV to my set. Actually, watch dvd's using Zoom Player and PQ is stunning. You just must know how to setup all these. I advice you to search in HTPC forum where you could find a lot of info concerning this topic. There is a lot of filters that can be used in order to enhance the PQ. I use ffdshow and avisynth.

If you wanna browse internet, this set (actually, all crt) is not the best choice. LCD will be a better choice. But, for play dvds, this set is amazing. It depends of your video card, but you have an ATI, so...

Regards.

segamanccc

03-17-06, 11:03 AM

Ok i have had this tv for half a year and love it. However, every once and awile when watching over the air hd broadcasts, there will be times when a green line or blue line will appear at the extreme edge of the picture on the right side. It usually only appears every once and awile and will than disappear, if i change the channel it disappears, and it never happens with any other input (xbox computer etc). Any idea what's causing this and if i can fix it?

deadzone

03-17-06, 11:44 AM

Heh Trafick! - I'm with you on the wife thing! As long as she's happy, it makes my life easier! :) (At least concerning electronics..)

I'll be interested to see what happens when I do some real calibration with my new Avia disc. I had ordered one through netflix but found it to be lacking some things, so I just decided to buy Avia. Thanks for the heads up about the settings possibly being too high after calibration - I will certainly keep it in mind when I do it myself.

Color, contrast, brightness, sharpness, these are things that I cannot seem to adjust to my taste. I have tried "eyeballing" it, but it doesn't seem to work as I find myself constantly fooling with these settings trying to find something I like. It's annoying too that you essentially must use the pre-set options and adjust for different situations. I would have loved to have independent memory inputs. (Hey what are you gonna do though? It cost me less than a grand for a pretty awesome HDTV right?) :)

Oddly, I have next to no geometry issues on mine. I got a ruler out and checked it out on all sides and I can only see one small area at the top right that bends inwards in 4:3 mode. Everything else seems to be virtually intact. If not for the ruler, I would not even be aware of the slight bend since my wife and I both can't seem to see it when viewing tv.

segask

03-17-06, 11:41 PM

PacNpixels

03-17-06, 11:43 PM

Ok so I've been reading this thread for months now, here is my Slimfit story.
My first Slimfit was an open box at BB, the guy and I walked in the store at the same time
it was still in the box nothing had been open (Manual, Remote etc..) too wide for his entertainment center. I stood with him and bought it soon as he returned it for $809 tax/inclu total. Took it home notice the bowing at the bottom, and purple blobs in right corner. Did some research here and thought hey I will just fix it in the service menu right! I then read this entire thread and came to the conclusion that this can not be fixed (EVEN IN THE SERVICE MENU).

But I figured something had to give, either I return to BB or call Sammy?
See I needed 2 tvs so I choose to go the Sammy route. So I went out in search of another a open box a couple days later, for one in the bedroom. I Found one with very bad bowing issues at another BB got that one for $614 total tax/inclu.
Now I had 2 tv's so I called Sammy they sent out a tv tech service to pick up the sets.
Got a call at first from tv techs saying that some parts had to be ordered.
then the next day got another call saying Sammy would send 2 brand new sets.
So they did, and I have 2 brand new 79's that are bowing and color blob free
for less than open box prices ;)

justsc

03-18-06, 05:08 PM

...But I figured something had to give, either I return to BB or call Sammy?
See I needed 2 tvs so I choose to go the Sammy route. So I went out in search of another a open box a couple days later, for one in the bedroom. I Found one with very bad bowing issues at another BB got that one for $614 total tax/inclu.
Now I had 2 tv's so I called Sammy they sent out a tv tech service to pick up the sets.
Got a call at first from tv techs saying that some parts had to be ordered.
then the next day got another call saying Sammy would send 2 brand new sets.
So they did, and I have 2 brand new 79's that are bowing and color blob free
for less than open box prices ;)
WOW!

You took a risk and it paid off in spades. Good for you. And best of luck with your new sets. ;)

trafick

03-20-06, 07:49 AM

The thing about adjusting picture setting with Avia or any other set up disc is that you need to let the tv "rest" for a week after you change these settings. It's takes about that long for you to get used to them and then you will like them...or not. But give the new settings a week.

If I'm not mistaken, you can set any and all presets on this tv to whatever you want. Set them in the service menu and they will stay set the way you want them forever.

The picture quality on some of this weekends BB games was absolutely stunning. It left both the wife and I very happy we got this tv even with it's minor imperfections.

Macrospect

03-20-06, 01:54 PM

I cant complain about my 27" SlimFit. As mentioned previously I also do believe the 27" have less problems than the WS versions do. After I tuned it up with Avia I found the picture to be excellent. The SlimFit does a great job on HD channels (yeah the black bars are there, but I did not want the pilliars on all the SD programming that I watch.) I also found that I had to knock the reds down in the service menu. Too much red push.....

Other than that great TV.

OH, and one other thing, I found thatthe picture is VERY sensitive to EM disturbances. If you have a unshielded speaker ANYWHERE NEAR this TV it will cause the colors in the corners to distort. Found this out the hard way. No long-term damage was done though. Seems that the SlimFits have some major shielding issues or something. I have never seen another TV experience this problem.

strilan

03-21-06, 10:21 AM

Late2Bass

03-21-06, 12:33 PM

Just signed up. Some good info in here, and thanks to those who share their time and knowledge.

Question: New Slimfit 3080. The programmable remote does not have codes for my Hughes DirecTV box in the manual, or online. Is it possible it can not control what I would think is a common box? How about the new DirecTV HD-20 High Def box (being installed tomorrow :D )

Thanks to any one who can shed some light on this for me.

Late2Bass

03-21-06, 01:41 PM

edit: Trying to post a link to the photo of the back of the set. Not enough posts. The Pic is from page 14, I think.....

Hi there, question about the inputs viewed here. I am not sure I understand the numbering system.

I see AV1 to the lower left, with an S Video Option above it. Next to it is AV Out. To it's right are Component Inputs 1&2. Then there is an arrow point from the component inputs up to a drawing of some inputs labled "AV in 2&3" Huh? Is this implying that you can use one of the 3 component inputs as an AV video in? (The top one presumably).

Also, what is the difference between Coax Inputs 1&2, if any? Thanks in advance...

deadzone

03-21-06, 02:50 PM

Coax input one is for an Over the Air Antenna. Coax input number 2 is for cable/satellite boxes, etc..

I'm not sure about the other input question though.

RED02SL

03-22-06, 02:09 PM

bbrowne74

03-23-06, 12:10 AM

Greetings all!

First time post, long time lurker, well, actually since early March when I picked up a 3080 for $750 at the local Circuit City - they took a 10% Best Buy coupon I had.

Got the geometry issues, and called both Samsung and Circuit City since I was a sucker and got their warranty also. I'm working both channels. They're coming tomorrow to pick up the TV - both Samsung and CC use the same local company for repair. We'll see what they come up with. By the grace of the almighty I was able to get this sucker in the house myself with no help from my wife who's 8 mos. pregnant, but I'll be darned if I'm going ot lug it back to get another with teh same issues. I could probably return and upgrade the darn thing, but I'd rather have this one and have it work right since I got a decent deal and don't want to lay out any more cash with child #2 on the way!

Late2Bass

03-23-06, 01:21 PM

Greetings and thanks to all those who contribute their experiences here.
New to the forum - New to HDTV - New owner of Sammy Slimfit 3079

Had it less than a week - Paid $780 for mine in a recent package deal at CC. 30" Slimfit with Sammy HTIB and free stand for $1000. They were out of stock on the Sammy HTIB so they substituted the Onkyo HTS580 same price.
I thought the deal was too sweet to pass up. Like many my budget is tight.

I didn't notice the geometry issue on my 3079 until reading this forum. Dialed in a station with a ticker and it jumped right out at me.

Can any 3080 or LG SS owners comment on their experience?
I'm thinking of trading up to either the Lg or the 3080.

My 3080 has the bow on the bottom as well. Gotta be the same internals. Just got my HDTV hook up from DirecTV yesterday, and the picture is sweet over HDMI. I'm going to give the bowing a bit of time before exploring options. Doesn't bother me a whole lot. I'm a little surprised that basic geometry configs are not part of the consumer adjustments. Most PC monitors have them, do they not?

final_thrill

03-23-06, 01:40 PM

My 3080 has the bow on the bottom as well. Gotta be the same internals. Just got my HDTV hook up from DirecTV yesterday, and the picture is sweet over HDMI. I'm going to give the bowing a bit of time before exploring options. Doesn't bother me a whole lot. I'm a little surprised that basic geometry configs are not part of the consumer adjustments. Most PC monitors have them, do they not?

Any problems with blurriness near the left and right edges, like people are reporting with some of the LG sets? I'm trying to decide between the LG and the 3080.

Late2Bass

03-23-06, 04:18 PM

Any problems with blurriness near the left and right edges, like people are reporting with some of the LG sets? I'm trying to decide between the LG and the 3080.

I don't see much blurriness near the edges. Again, the picture after switching to an HD box through HDMI is phenomenal. Even on the non HD channels. Everything got better. The geometry is a fairly minor annoyance, but one that I might solve just to get value for my extended warranty.... ;) (Granted, it would still be Samsung's issue now, not CC's)

justsc

03-23-06, 04:39 PM

justsc

03-23-06, 04:49 PM

Any problems with blurriness near the left and right edges, like people are reporting with some of the LG sets? I'm trying to decide between the LG and the 3080.
Some folks call it blury, others describe it as kind of honeycomb "pixels" on the sides but not in the middle.

This is normal with a shadow mask widescreen set, especially in the slimmer crt sets. The "gun" is very close, in these sets, to the front, middle of the tube and the focus is automatically going to be sharpest at the center and will drop off slightly as the beam hits the left and right sides. There's no way around this. Some sets are worse than others. The 27" 4:3 SlimFit sets won't suffer so much as the beam doesn't have to go so wide to the sides.

final_thrill

03-23-06, 04:53 PM

Some folks call it blury, others describe it as kind of honeycomb "pixels" on the sides but not in the middle.

This is normal with a shadow mask widescreen set, especially in the slimmer crt sets. The "gun" is very close, in these sets, to the front, middle of the tube and the focus is automatically going to be sharpest at the center and will drop off slightly as the beam hits the left and right sides. There's no way around this. Some sets are worse than others. The 27" 4:3 SlimFit sets won't suffer so much as the beam doesn't have to go so wide to the sides.

So therefore this is a minor problem that plagues both the LG and the Slimfit, and will continue to be a problem with any slim crt in the future?

justsc

03-23-06, 05:15 PM

So therefore this is a minor problem that plagues both the LG and the Slimfit, and will continue to be a problem with any slim crt in the future?
That's my opinion. Please understand I haven't actually seen the new LG sets, but I see another poster mentioned it. I believe it's been this way for some time, made worse with the slim type sets. On my non-slim 27" Samsung I can see this effect on the sides, albeit mild.

I found it very easy to get used to and don't even notice it anymore unless I'm looking for it.

Cheers! ;)

ryandegs

03-23-06, 05:37 PM

imagine6

03-24-06, 01:54 AM

venemaja

03-24-06, 09:13 AM

final_thrill

03-24-06, 10:39 AM

Does anyone know when the new slimfits that were shown at CES 2006 will be in the stores? I believe the model numbers were TX-S3080WH and TX-S3082WH. Speakers on the bottom and sides, respectively. I've heard early spring. Can any one confirm this? Thanks.

Well the 3080 is already out, Circuit City carries it. I think 1 person on this board so far has it. If you look earlier in this thread, and he said it had geometry problems.

As for the 3082, I don't know anything about it.

RED02SL

03-24-06, 10:56 AM

I don't see much blurriness near the edges. Again, the picture after switching to an HD box through HDMI is phenomenal. Even on the non HD channels. Everything got better. The geometry is a fairly minor annoyance, but one that I might solve just to get value for my extended warranty.... ;) (Granted, it would still be Samsung's issue now, not CC's)

Glad to hear your HDMI hookup is working fine - I seem to remember reading a post mentioning the HDMI doesn't work on the slim fit. Haven't upgraded my STB to HD yet but will be soon. OTA HD I've viewed so far looks great.
I haven't noticed much blurrines near the edges on my 3079 either.
The bowing at the bottom is minimal. Apparently both LG and Sammy slims have some inherent problems by design.

looks like its a keeper.

Late2Bass

03-24-06, 11:22 AM

Well the 3080 is already out, Circuit City carries it. I think 1 person on this board so far has it. If you look earlier in this thread, and he said it had geometry problems.

As for the 3082, I don't know anything about it.

I'd like to clarify, assuming you were referring to my post, that the picture is generally great. The geometry issue that I have is ONLY noticeable if there is a bottom screen graphic. My wife didn't see it until I scrolled through several channels that had such a graphic. It's possible I wouldn't have noticed either if I wasn't looking at this cursed thread... :D (kidding, I would have seen it)

trafick

03-24-06, 11:41 AM

REDO2SL,
Beware of all enclusive statements and negative reports. I have a 3079 and the HDMI is hooked to my DVD player. Picture is stunning.

huberjgl

03-24-06, 11:52 AM

Well the 3080 is already out, Circuit City carries it. I think 1 person on this board so far has it. If you look earlier in this thread, and he said it had geometry problems.

As for the 3082, I don't know anything about it.

Different 3080.
The R3080 is out, the S3080 is the new model.

I have an R3080 being delivered today sometime, I hope.

Jerry

justsc

03-24-06, 12:32 PM

I bought my 3790 from BB about 6 months ago, No extended service plan, but well into MFG warranty period.
After tweaking with SM due to minor bowing issues, everything seemed OK for my viewing pleasure. Just when I thought I would be "...Lived Happily Ever After..."

A month ago, TV suddenly stopped working. No power, not even the red LED standby light. FYI, I use an HTS 3500 MKII Home Theatre Reference PowerCenter.

Long Story:
Called Samsung support (2.23.06), setup an appointment for a local tech to check out the set. Tech came out, no equipment with him...NOTHING. Unplugged the set for a few minutes (which I have already done multiple times, and I have told them about it over the phone). Tech tells me that the main circuit board needed to be replaced (again, without any testers or anything). It will take a week for the part to arrive. A week passed, no word on the part yet. Multiple follow ups, with Samsung & Service Center. SC told me Samsung had the part on back order, coz another Service Center ordered: "a whole block of it, around 100 pcs." More than a month into my set's demise, it is still up in the air when it will be fixed.

Q: Is there any place I can call aside from their unsupportive customer support dept.? What else can I do besides waiting? :mad:

Thanks for your help!
You are clearly getting jerked around.

I would make a stink and stay on them until it's resolved to my satisfaction. In your case I would begin by documenting all of my interactions with Samsung. Be sure when on the phone to get full names, numbers and record the date and time.

I would also bring BB into this. Work it from both sides and become the squeaky wheel with both. Document everything. If you get no satisfactory action within one to two weeks, tell them you are calling the Better Business Bureau, and then do so.

Unfortunately you're on your own. Stick with 'em until they make you happy. They're probably hoping that if they wait long enough the warranty period will pass and then they can (they think) legally ignore you. This is why it's important to do the documentation - if this goes on past the warranty period you can prove you were working it well before the date passed.

Best of Luck! ;)

final_thrill

03-24-06, 01:49 PM

Different 3080.
The R3080 is out, the S3080 is the new model.

I have an R3080 being delivered today sometime, I hope.

Jerry

Please give us a detailed review when you get it and also when does the S model come out?

lockecard

03-24-06, 05:03 PM

........when does the S model come out?
The press release from CES said March. Apparently Samsung is choosing to exercise the fact that the month has 31 days. It has also been reported that they are delaying release until early April? :eek: There seem to be a few of us waiting. You would think they would at least give us some info on their website.......nope...not yet.

strilan

03-24-06, 06:02 PM

Does anyone know how the Slim Fit series PQ compares with the older Samsung Dynaflat models? Specifically, I am wondering how the 27" Samsung TX-R2779H HDTV (which I bought last weekend at Best Buy for $550) would compare to the older 30" Samsung TX-R3075WH, which is not a Slim Fit. Comparing the spec. sheets at Samsung's website, they appear to have almost exactly the same features. Incidentally, the 27" Slim Fit appears to have the exact same PQ as the 30" wide screen versions, but without the geometry problems.

My wife and I both think the 27" looks fantastic, but we are not happy with the letterbox on the high definition programming and are wondering if we should consider ordering the TX-R3075WH widescreen model instead. Also, does anyone know of any stores that are still selling this model so we could go and look at it before buying it online? None of the usual suspects (Walmart, Target, CC, BB, etc...) lists it on their website.

venemaja,

You will be very happy with the 27" PQ. My only suggestion to you would be to consider how far away you watch your TV. If your TV is close then it will be great for HD programming if you are at a distance you will notice the screen is a little small, especially on HD sports programming. When I am at the 5' to 6' viewing range the set looks fantastic. You won't have this problem with the 30" because on the 27" the set needs to decrease the screen size to accomodate for the 16:9 picture mode. If you watch it stretched then viewing it from distances farther than 6' is not a problem. Just something to consider.

strilan

03-24-06, 06:07 PM

KeithAR2002

03-24-06, 07:11 PM

I just became interested in HDTV last week, and I saw the "27 at CC in Shreveport for only $549.... but now I think I will pass... I think I'm going to go with the RCA "52 Projection HDTV (Model HD52W59). Since they do price matching I should be able to get it a couple hundred bucks cheaper.

huberjgl

03-24-06, 09:16 PM

Please give us a detailed review when you get it

Well, it's 7pm on my confirmed delivery date, and no TV.

Called Best Buy customer service, and after playing keno I finally found the right combination of numbers to get an actual human being.

The nice lady apparantly learned how to speak english from listening to Steven Hawking lectures, and said I'll get a phone call on or before my confirmed delivery date setting up a 2 hour window when they'll be here, and it could be anytime between 8am and 8pm local time.

When I informed her there was only 1 hour left in that window, and today was in fact 3-24-06, all she could say was I'd get a phone call on or before my delivery date.

What magical numbers do I push on the phone to get a supervisor that can credit my card so I can go get one locally tomorrow.

Jerry

Steve_Smith

03-25-06, 05:59 AM

Sam's Club in Shreveport has the Samsung Slimfit 27" for $499.

Oriole

03-25-06, 11:50 AM

Does anybody know what is different (besides styling) about the new 2006 models (S instead of R)?

Is the picture quality any better?

Is the resolution higher?

Have any problems been fixed?

justsc

03-25-06, 03:20 PM

I turned on the DNIe demo and see where the picture is supposed to be using this technology, but I don't see anything different on either side of the screen. What is this technology do and is it better to have it on or off? Also, I read somewhere on here that it does not work through HDMI. (?) Why is this?
DNIe is Samsung's suite of image processing/enhancement features called Digital Natural Image Engine. Included are edge enhancement, color purity enhancement, noise reduction, etc. Sony calls it DRC, Digital Reality Creation.

The reason that your set shows little difference between DNIe enhancement and your picture "as is," is probably because you've got your picture tuned well already. I know others who turn this off in the SM as they prefer their own adjustments and dislike some of the artificial enhancements. I'm not sure if nowadays DNIe can be turned off in the user menu or if this still requires use of the SM.

If memory serves, I believe I've also read about DNIe not working over an HDMI interface. This makes sense as it's a feature set for improving PQ of SD signals. It's apparently bypassed for purely digital signals. That confuses me a bit as you can still transmit SD signals over a digital cable. I wonder if it's only defeated for HD signals transmitted over an HDMI interface. On Sony sets the DRC circuit is bypassed when receiving HD signals.

strilan

03-25-06, 03:37 PM

DNIe is Samsung's suite of image processing/enhancement features called Digital Natural Image Engine. Included are edge enhancement, color purity enhancement, noise reduction, etc. Sony calls it DRC, Digital Reality Creation.

The reason that your set shows little difference between DNIe enhancement and your picture "as is," is probably because you've got your picture tuned well already. I know others who turn this off in the SM as they prefer their own adjustments and dislike some of the artificial enhancements. I'm not sure if nowadays DNIe can be turned off in the user menu or if this still requires use of the SM.

If memory serves, I believe I've also read about DNIe not working over an HDMI interface. This makes sense as it's a feature set for improving PQ of SD signals. It's apparently bypassed for purely digital signals. That confuses me a bit as you can still transmit SD signals over a digital cable. I wonder if it's only defeated for HD signals transmitted over an HDMI interface. On Sony sets the DRC circuit is bypassed when receiving HD signals.

"is probably because you've got your picture tuned well already."--Must be because I have a great mentor...hmmm.

justsc

03-25-06, 03:58 PM

"is probably because you've got your picture tuned well already."--Must be because I have a great mentor...hmmm.
If this works like most such relationships, it won't be long before you outshine that mentor of yours. Then you can pick up a newbie and it all comes full circle.

Keep up the good work! ;)

Joshewah777

03-27-06, 06:27 PM

I picked up my 30" slimfit (TX-R3079WH) in January. Everything looks good, ecept when I use component signal. When the TV is in component mode the entire right side of the TV has purple/blue and green bands that curve from the center to the edge, the intesity of the bands becomes more apparent at the right edge. I called Samsung and they sent a service out to pick it up, and when they returned it 2 weeks later they had fixed nothing, but the bill claims it was fixed and tested. So now im having Samsung send out another service team from a different repair shop to pick it up and work on it.

Another strange thing is when I use the component inputs as normal A/V inputs with A/V hookups to an XBOX and a PS2 the picture is fine, but when I have Both systems using the same inputs but with component cable and set to component source, the picture get the blueish-purple and green bands again. So I know its not the ports for the componet inputs because the A/V signal should have been messed up too. IT has something to do witht he TV being set to component signal.

Also, I haven't tested, the HDMI port yet. As long as HDMI doesn't cause strange color bands ill be ok with messed up components. So my question is, has anyone experienced HDMI problems? I currently have no way to test, and Im kind of scared to test it and see that infact that the HDMI signal is messed up too. From what Iv'e read no one has really mentioned HDMI problems.

justsc

03-27-06, 06:43 PM

Are you absolutely certain the problem isn't with your component cables? I recommend trying a different set of component cables just to be sure. It could turn out the tv is just fine.

Joshewah777

03-27-06, 08:20 PM

I am 100% positive. Faulty cables was the first thing I suspected, and Ive tried 4 different sets now on my PS2, and I have also tried my Xbox, and an Xbox 360. Nothing has aleviated the problem. I have used Monster component cables, Sony component cables, Xbox 360 component cables and MadCatz component cables. All four gave the same results.

I knew about the problem the day I got the TV but I assumed it was my cables. A month and a half went by and a friend brought an Xbox 360 over, and it had the same problem with different cables. It was after that when I started testing my components like a mad man. Since it was over a month when I found out the TV had a problem I cant return it now.

justsc

03-28-06, 11:44 AM

I have just a couple of thoughts.

I believe your Samsung model has two component input ports, correct? Oftentimes, HD tv manufacturers set-up one of the component inputs for everything from 480i to 1080i, while the other one is set-up for only 480i and 480p. I don't know if that factors in at all to what you are facing, but it might be useful to switch which component inputs you use and try it out. Based on you last note I bet you've already tried this, but I thought I'd suggest it anyway.

I get a little confused by a couple of things you wrote:

"When the TV is in component mode"

and

"Another strange thing is when I use the component inputs as normal A/V inputs with A/V hookups to an XBOX and a PS2 the picture is fine, but when I have Both systems using the same inputs but with component cable and set to component source"

I was wondering if you could elaborate a little to help me better understand what you're doing. I'm assuming with the 2nd one that you are using part of a component cable to act as a composite cable - is this correct? Anyway, if you're interested in explaining a little further I might be able to help more.

ryandegs

03-28-06, 12:33 PM

You are clearly getting jerked around.

I would make a stink and stay on them until it's resolved to my satisfaction. In your case I would begin by documenting all of my interactions with Samsung. Be sure when on the phone to get full names, numbers and record the date and time.

I would also bring BB into this. Work it from both sides and become the squeaky wheel with both. Document everything. If you get no satisfactory action within one to two weeks, tell them you are calling the Better Business Bureau, and then do so.

Unfortunately you're on your own. Stick with 'em until they make you happy. They're probably hoping that if they wait long enough the warranty period will pass and then they can (they think) legally ignore you. This is why it's important to do the documentation - if this goes on past the warranty period you can prove you were working it well before the date passed.

Best of Luck! ;)

Thanks for the tip.

Filed a complaint with the BBB.
I'll keep you posted as to what Samsung will do.

justsc

03-28-06, 12:57 PM

Thanks for the tip.

Filed a complaint with the BBB.
I'll keep you posted as to what Samsung will do.
You're very welcome.

You might want to keep your trips into the SM to yourself, unless you've already mentioned it. Some OEM's will try to assert that you've voided the warranty by going into the SM and making adjustments. Some actually have this written into their warranty documents.

I'm not saying to lie, just don't tell 'em more than what they ask for.

Again, Best of Luck! ;)

Nielo TM

03-28-06, 01:06 PM

hay guys. can the SlimFit actually display 720p or is it up-scaled to 1080i.

justsc

03-28-06, 01:52 PM

hay guys. can the SlimFit actually display 720p or is it up-scaled to 1080i.
The SlimFit cannot display 720p, but upscales it to 1080i. There is no loss of picture quality in this processing.

Nielo TM

03-28-06, 04:24 PM

rezzy

03-28-06, 05:37 PM

You might want to keep your trips into the SM to yourself, unless you've already mentioned it. You'd be amazed at who reads/trolls these forums. Keep that under your hat indeed.

justsc

03-28-06, 05:45 PM

Thanks. I know it can’t display but this guy in Xbox forums flaming everyone and saying in fact it can display 720p so I just wanted to double check.

Thx for the help

http://forums.xbox.com/6/3239809/ShowPost.aspx#3239809
I just took a look at the XBox forum and I see they're really throwing a tizzy over there.

There is no consumer crt that displays 720p. I have been through this with Samsung directly. Unfortunately their data sheets, online, are incorrect when they show "Display Format 480p/1080i/720p." I know it says this because I called them on it numerous times. I also realize it says "Maximum 800 Lines." My Sony 34" set only has 850 lines of horizontal resolution (which is the number they're talking about) and it's still a 1080i set. They are mistaking horizontal for vertical resolution.

Like all other consumer crt hd sets, Samsung's tv's take 720p, deinterlace it and scale it to 1080i.

Deathwish238

03-28-06, 05:50 PM

jeez I've wasted too much time on that thread -_-

the cos

03-28-06, 06:10 PM

that guy has no clue what hes talking about...

-I R3PUBL1CAN I

bbrowne74

03-28-06, 06:41 PM

Update on my SlimFit Saga:

Should have probably taken it back to CC, but I didn't. I'm stubborn that way.

The local Samsung authorized repair facility picked it up last thursday. Remember that both Samsung Support and my Circuit City @home extended service both use this company. They're a one-horse pit. They answer their phones nonchallantly (when they answer at all). I've got both CC and Samsung on them, but I've already taken it up a notch by contacting some people I know that can get some answers from higher-ups at Samsung here in America.

When I finally got through to the local shop the uninformed woman said they're waiting on a circuit board replacement for the unit. When Samsung called back (they're inept but the woman I'm dealing with tries hard) she said that she got through, that they had already replaced the part, and are testing it. Not sure what the deal is but they said I should have my TV back Friday.

What they don't know is that when I call tomorrow I'm going to say I am stopping in to see what th eproblem is - I'm not going ot have them deliver if it's not satisfactory. if it's not I'm going to raise holy hell with both Samsung and CC and get a replacement.

I probably should just give up and get a different television, but now I'm a mission from god to get this one back in my house working properly.

Deathwish238

03-28-06, 07:05 PM

This guy just won't stop:

"See thats the problem. You take it to another forum. It isnt game over far from game over. Those people are just like you over there. There brainwashed thinking it does scaling or converting."

I give up.

KoRn

03-28-06, 07:18 PM

You really are a piece of work arent ya? You come over here and bash me. How dare you. Who the hell do you think you are? You want to start trouble. Ill start right back.

This guy just won't stop:

"See thats the problem. You take it to another forum. It isnt game over far from game over. Those people are just like you over there. There brainwashed thinking it does scaling or converting."

I give up.

KoRn

03-28-06, 07:20 PM

You have no clue what your talking about.

that guy has no clue what hes talking about...

-I R3PUBL1CAN I

hidefLoans

03-28-06, 07:27 PM

I hope this guy gets banned, quick. He fumes with superiority complex.

bbrowne74

03-28-06, 07:38 PM

Superiority complex? actually in my 'vast years' of experience on the net <sarcasm> I've found that folks like this are the types who have a severe inferiority complex and end up acting this way on the boards since they feel protected in anonymity.

bbrowne74

03-28-06, 07:57 PM

Yeah ban me for no reason? What the hell have, I done. Deathwish comes over here and starts trouble. And, then you want to ban me. I would ban you if, I could.

I know you are, so what am I?

I know you are, so what am I?

Grow up kiddo. You're out of your league here.

bbrowne74

03-28-06, 08:02 PM

What the hell have, I done.

Huh?

villa

03-29-06, 10:46 AM

deadzone

03-29-06, 11:15 AM

Villa - Welcome to the forums fellow Samsung owner! :)

These guys are great and very knowledgeable, so don't worry about a "Newbie" question. :) Heck, I am a big time newbie myself but have gained lot's o' knowledge with theese guys.

I have an dvd player that upscales connected via HDMI to my 30 inch slimfit and it really brings out the detail in dvd's. I can't give you a specific answer to your question but I can tell you that I do notice a difference from my old dvd player and tv combo I had.

I think one of the things it depends on is the quality of the dvd transfer though. Sometimes, you just can't make something better if it starts out as garbage to begin with. So if the transfer is not good, well it's not going to be upscaled to look better in most cases.

If you wanna pop your eyes out of your head - get a new dvd player that can upscale, connect it via HDMI, and pick up a couple of Superbit dvd titles. WOW!!!!!!!! Is all I can say. :)

Good luck and enjoy your tv! Someone less long winded and more knowledgeable will answer your question soon I am sure. :)

villa

03-29-06, 11:22 AM

justsc

03-29-06, 11:28 AM

I recently bought my 30" slimfit, and I`m very happy with it (shure, some problems with geometry that I already fixed with SM), I'm planning to buy an upscaler dvd, but I'm wondering, do any of you guys know if the slimfit already upscales 480p to its "native" resolution (1080i)?, last night I was watching Chronicles of Riddick and I saw LOTS of detail on the picture, and I though WOW, if this is 480p, I need and upscaler dvd, sorry about the newbie question, but I really want to know before buying anything, thanx in advance
villa,

As Deadzone has said "Welcome!"

The SlimFit has essentially two native resolutions - 480p and 1080i. Incoming 480i signals are automatically deinterlaced and presented as 480p to the screen. If you have a standard dvd player and set it to output 480p, then the tv sends that signal directly to the screen. If you have an upconverting dvd player, then you have more choices, as it will give you options for 480i/p, 720p and 1080i.

I have now used two upconverting dvd players - a Samsung HD850 and an Oppo OPDV971h DVD Player. I returned the Samsung player as it was crushing blacks badly (all dark areas were just too dark to see any details). On the other hand, I just love my Oppo. If you look at the DVD Player (Standard Definition) here at AVS there are two major threads dedicated to the Oppo.

Best of Luck! ;)

citykids

03-29-06, 12:06 PM

justsc

03-29-06, 12:35 PM

justsc,
I remember a few posts back when you were telling me about your thoughts on the Samsung HD-850, I'm pretty sure the OPPO deck is awesome but my main reasons for using the Sammy deck was that it's hacked Region-Free and the HDCP is disabled. Push come to shove, I might invest in another player - maybe even the OPPO!

To your knowledge can your deck be remote hacked to be Region-Free'd?

thanks!
Yes - it's very easy to set the Oppo to be region-free.

It's also liberal when it comes to HDCP - It works with sets that are and are not HDCP compliant, and will play dvds that are and are not HDCP compliant (hope I said that correctly).

But please understand, I'm in no way a Samsung HD850 basher. This was simply my experience on my 34" Sony tube tv. Samsung has actually done a pretty good job in this arena and has some fine upconverting players. If it works for you then that's just super.

deadzone

03-29-06, 01:18 PM

Whoops I did forget to mention my setup...

I have the Samsung 30 inch slimfit tv (79 Model) and a Samsung 755 dvd player that has HDMI and can upconvert. I haven't found a lot of information about this particular player to be honest. I can't seem to find many reviews or information on this forum about my player.

I can tell you this though: The "black crush" issue that justsc was experiencing with his model Samsung player doesn't happen with mine. I can see detail just fine in dark scenes and it seems natural looking to me.

I have my set calibrated via Avia Pro for both my HDMI and Component inputs so everything should be set pretty well to show whether or not you have problems or not.

One of the cool things that for me was to see that my own settings that I did just by virtue of how I thought it should look pretty much were almost the same as what Avia Pro had me do. Heh, ISF calibrater I am not, but it's cool to be close like that. :)

bbrowne74

03-29-06, 03:39 PM

My latest update.

The local repair facility contracted by both Samsung and Circuit City are quite the rude bunch (Associated Electronics in Milwaukee). I've been contacting them regularly about the status of my TV and have been told the following:

Call 1: It's on the bench, the tech went home at noon, he'll call you on Monday (last Friday)
Call 2: They ordered a circuit board, should be in by the end of the week (Monday)
Call 3: They didn't need to order a board, they need to check and call me back, it's taken apart on the tech bench. (Tuesday #1)
Call 4: They didn't call you back? Well they're working on it and it's being testing (Tuesday #2)
Call 5: We can deliver your TV tomorrow. What did they fix? They reset to Samsung Specifications. Nothing was replaced.

I've made daily calls to the CC @home hotline, was given an escallation number on Monday and was told a call would come to me Tuesday. No call, was told a call would come today, no call. I called, they're now calling Associated.

Called Samsung and worked it form their end as well and they're useless.

This TV may go back....I'm getting very close.

deadzone

03-29-06, 03:46 PM

Just bring it back already! Get something you like instead. Heck, I don't keep anything I don't like if I can help it. :)

lockecard

03-29-06, 05:19 PM

Well with two days left in the month I guess Samsung thought they would throw us a bone. They posted the specs and pics of the new 27" slimfits today on their website.
Maybe we can hope for the 30" tomorrow?

dougzer0

03-29-06, 06:11 PM

the TX-S3082 appeared for a brief moment minutes ago and is now gone ..... they must currently be updating the website.

Late2Bass

03-29-06, 06:46 PM

Problem? Feature?

Since the install of my new H-20 DirecTV HD box, I can not seem to control the Closed Captioning through the Samsung 3080 Remote. I have to use the the CC through the H20 labyrinthe of menus. Do I have a setting wrong or is that a 'feature"?

KoRn

03-29-06, 08:55 PM

My post gets deleted. But, his gets to say. Real fair.

I know you are, so what am I?

I know you are, so what am I?

Grow up kiddo. You're out of your league here.

Deathwish238

03-29-06, 09:28 PM

My post gets deleted. But, his gets to say. Real fair.

lol hello Snot. If you read a few posts back you should see your answer repeated a few more times...that is unless you're convinced that everyone on this forum must also be "brainwashed leg humpers" as you liked to call so many of us on the xbox forums.

huberjgl

03-29-06, 10:08 PM

dragndrop

03-30-06, 12:20 AM

Well, I finally got BestBuy.com to admit they didn't have my TX-R3080WH,
out of stock and most likely would not be replenishing the stock soon,
got them to cancel my order and I should be getting my card credited in "1 or 2 billing cycles".

Heading out tomorrow to check Circuit City and a couple other local places to see if I can find an elusive Sony 30" CRT, or perhaps the LG 30".
RC Willey has the KD-30XS955 on their website, "In Store Purchase Only", so there's hope.

Don't really want to wait for the new Samsung 30" to materialize, I want my HDTV now.

Jerry

1 or 2 billing cycles for your card to get credited back? As in 1-2 months?! That's not right man, it shouldn't take more than 2-3 days!

Also, head over to the LG thread for the new superslim model. People are experiencing problems with it as well, including bowing, out of focus, and blotches. If that's the set your after. I haven't looked into the sony though but I hear there good.

dragndrop

03-30-06, 12:22 AM

As dougzer0 mentioned earlier, the new slimfit model(with speakers on the side) is on the site now. It was down earlier but now appears to be on the site permanently.

http://samsung.com/Products/TV/SlimFitHDTV/TXS3082WHXXAA.asp

Man I hope the bowing is dealt with this time around, there boasting how they were the top selling CRT set in 05. Surely they would fix this now?! PR talk is getting to me...

Spec sheet: http://samsung.com/Products/TV/SlimFitHDTV/files/txs3082.pdf

qip

03-30-06, 09:51 AM

qip

03-30-06, 09:53 AM

and why no qam still.. how many slimfit models can they put out without qam....lg has 1 and it has qam

dougzer0

03-30-06, 01:21 PM

I know you cant totally go by what you see in the stores but I still like the picture better on the samsung than on the lg (and the design of the set as well), even tho the lg has QAM and less glare. Also I was in BB and CC and on the floor model sets for the TX-R3079 I cant see the issues being described in this forum ... the bowing and the blobs. It must be the feed that they're using. Is it when ticker tapes are at the bottom of the screen, or is it on all channels? What about PS2/Xbox/360/DVD-480p etc? Anyhow, I'm waiting for the TX-S models to come out. I'm also considering a Sony Grand Wega V A10 42". To me its a trade-off between size and picture quality (and about $1000). I want the extra size for split screen gaming and I think I can tolerate the picture quality from what I've seen in the stores, but for about $700 - $1000 cheaper I can have a clearer brighter albeit smaller picture..... decisions decisions

justsc

03-30-06, 02:07 PM

hmm. i noticed in input specs..they list the 3081 and tx-s3082 as being able to display or accept 720p while 3079 and 3080 dont ? what does that mean ,these slimfits can display 720p or just accept and turn it to 1080i, cuz i thought all crts can accept 720p but turn it to 1080i
Like all other commercial crt sets, these Samsung tvs accept 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i. 480i is deinterlaced and presented to the screen as 480p. 480p goes right to the screen unmolested. 720p gets interlaced and scaled to 1080i. 1080i also goes directly to the screen.

justsc

03-30-06, 02:14 PM

and why no qam still.. how many slimfit models can they put out without qam....lg has 1 and it has qam
Samsung has really dropped the ball here. There's just no mention of it anywhere. The terminology to look for is "Clear QAM." I see it nowhere on their data sheets. Internally, Samsung claims it's there. Some AVS members have stated that it is there but doesn't work right. Others say a tech uploaded a firmware patch and now it works. The problem is there's no consistent info from any source.

I think I'm going to start a new thread dedicated specifically to this issue.

huberjgl

03-30-06, 07:40 PM

bkd210

03-30-06, 10:11 PM

I just had one simple question: Does this TV have the ability to have the ability to set different values for different inputs? In other words, can I calibrate the Component 1 different from Component 2 in the Service Menu.

I ask because my set-top box is hooked up to Component 1 and I have a gaming system hooked up to Component 2. Both of these seem to be at the optimal calibration at totally different settings.

Also, if it doesn't have a separate memory for both inputs, does it hurt or shorten the life of the TV at all if I switch a few values back and forth and I switch between inputs? Any help from you guys would be appreciated. :cool:

maverick0716

03-30-06, 10:52 PM

lol hello Snot. If you read a few posts back you should see your answer repeated a few more times...that is unless you're convinced that everyone on this forum must also be "brainwashed leg humpers" as you liked to call so many of us on the xbox forums.

LMAO! Hey Deathwish.......so you came to check up on ol' SnotRocket too hey?

piranhaj

03-30-06, 11:24 PM

Where are the 2006 Slimfit models?!?! I know Samsung just placed some model information on their site... but really they announced them in January!! come on! ;-)

Unfortunatly - notably missing from the Samsung site is the TX-S (2006) version of the TX-R3080WH (2005). I really liked this 2005 model because it was 30" with the speakers on the bottom. This was great because it saved 4" on the width and the WAF doesnt allow for replacing the living room furniture, so my maximum HDTV width (including speakers) is fixed at 33" ;-)

I have held off on procuring an R3080WH due to the negative posts on this and other threads (most of which are references to this one, btw!) and the handful of models @ BB / CC that I have seen - they ALL had obvious bowing and 'blob' issues with varying severity (FYI the LG Superslim I saw had similar issues - but even if it didnt - its 35" wide!!)

1) So where is my updated/improved/geometry problem free TX-S 30" slimfit w/ speakers on the bottom?!? Did Samsung ditch this variation?

2) How long will I have to wait for them to show up in retail so I can compare 06 improvements to the 05 models and determine if they still suck and that I simply need to save more $$ for an LCD (hopefully not - I hate LCDs). I can only imagine that CC's "All TVs on Sale" is a push to clear out older models before the new ones arrive.

3) Are BB / CC the ONLY retail outlets that sell TVs? Where else should I be looking?! (Tweeter always felt snobby and overpriced...I know Target does have any selection...do I have to go to...Walmart?) [comment on BB/CC - the sales people who dont chain themselves to the $4000 plus TVs SUCK! - it used to be you had to know something about what your selling... and now it seems like they just hire the kids who failed the test for making French Fries @ McDonalds]

4) Will some please clear up the Slimfit QAM issue for me? The slimfit is "cable-ready" but that is analog only (480i/480p) correct? and "cable-ready" IS NOT QAM, right? The problem is that lots of site show different specs on the slimfits and mention QAM with ATSC - and Samsung's own website is so inconsistant with marketing lanuage & technical specs - I really dont know what the true scenario is... a search of the TX-S manual does not mention QAM at all... however, the manual does say "With a built-in HD digital tuner, non-subscription HD broadcasts can be viewed with no Set-Top Box needed." Is an "HD digital tuner" Samsung's english translation software equates with QAM?

Bottom line - With a Samsung Slimfit - will I be able to watch Fox's "24" in Hi-Def over my standard, non-digital, comcast cable package - or will I have to rely on OTA reception from Boston which is 40 miles away (I hope not...cause from my read on antennaweb-DOT-org - that would require a hugh roof antenna!)

5)"I hate LCDs" this isnt completely true... I hate the LCDs that I can afford! ;-) I am sure I would be very happy with a $3-4k LCD... the sub $1k models are terrible. Can anyone explain WHY people are so crazy about LCD/Plasma? Why would anyone CHOOSE to get a screen with less color / poor black levels / pixelation / angle of view issues - is all this because "size matters"?

jpaul

03-31-06, 12:34 AM

piranhaj, you'll find the answers (or discussions) to many of your previous questions on the last couple of pages of this thread. In regard to LCD, have you checked out the 32" sony XBR model LCD? Bottom mounted speakers, and its supposed to have one hell of a picture. I'm planning on taking the LCD plunge if these new Samsungs turn out to be another quality control nightmare. Good luck, and keep trolling the stores for the 2006 Samsungs -- I know I will be.

Shepa

03-31-06, 02:49 AM

Hello,

I'd appreciate if someone can help me. I've just bought SlimFit Samsung CW29Z306V, and it was so great looking untill I turned it on...

Yep, that geometry problem everybody's talking about is it's greatest asset (and no 16:9 mode too). Picture is not squared, it's a trapese.

So if anyone can please send me the codes to enter the service mode and some instructions how to solve this problem because every minute I spend in front of TV I curse the day I gave my old SONY HiBlack Trinitron to my mom and switched to Samsung.

Many, many thnx in advance.

justsc

03-31-06, 11:50 AM

Checked out the local Circuit City today, and what do I see, side by side Samsungs, TX-R3079WH sitting next to a TX-R3080WH.

There's an older gentleman checking them out with me, and the sales associate (had to be 14-15 years old) is telling him "these are projection TV's, a bit heavier than the LCD TV's"

I corrected him, then proceded to help the gentleman with all his questions while the 12 year old sat there all jaw dropped.
This is so typical. If I have the time I usually make it a point when visiting one of these shops to pick out one customer who's looking for help, and take him aside to answer his/her questions - whether or not he's been approached by a sales type. Like your experience, when there is a sales type there it's always a kind-of funny/sad experience.

...I'll let it sit turned on for a bit, burning off whatever it is that burns off of new TV's, and see how things look.

Jerry
Jerry,

This is such good news. Congrats on the new set. ;)

I'm beginning to detect the first hint of a trend here - a positive trend. Many, many of the earlier SlimFit posts were negative, with very dissatisfied customers, and rightly so. Now I'm seeing more and more positive posts. I'd like to think Samsung has mitigated these geometry problems, so I'll keep watching the posts. The most difficult posts to read are those where the owner has returned the set in frustration, not having any luck fixing the problems. Most of the reported problems are fixable in the SM, but it takes patience and lots of reading here to dig through the posts and locate the answers. Most of these sets didn't have to be returned. On the other hand, customers should never have to go to such lengths just to get a halfway decent picture.

Again, congratulations on your new set! ;)

justsc

03-31-06, 12:28 PM

Where are the 2006 Slimfit models?!?! I know Samsung just placed some model information on their site... but really they announced them in January!! come on! ;-)

Unfortunatly - notably missing from the Samsung site is the TX-S (2006) version of the TX-R3080WH (2005). I really liked this 2005 model because it was 30" with the speakers on the bottom. This was great because it saved 4" on the width and the WAF doesnt allow for replacing the living room furniture, so my maximum HDTV width (including speakers) is fixed at 33" ;-)

I have held off on procuring an R3080WH due to the negative posts on this and other threads (most of which are references to this one, btw!) and the handful of models @ BB / CC that I have seen - they ALL had obvious bowing and 'blob' issues with varying severity (FYI the LG Superslim I saw had similar issues - but even if it didnt - its 35" wide!!)

1) So where is my updated/improved/geometry problem free TX-S 30" slimfit w/ speakers on the bottom?!? Did Samsung ditch this variation?

2) How long will I have to wait for them to show up in retail so I can compare 06 improvements to the 05 models and determine if they still suck and that I simply need to save more $$ for an LCD (hopefully not - I hate LCDs). I can only imagine that CC's "All TVs on Sale" is a push to clear out older models before the new ones arrive.

3) Are BB / CC the ONLY retail outlets that sell TVs? Where else should I be looking?! (Tweeter always felt snobby and overpriced...I know Target does have any selection...do I have to go to...Walmart?) [comment on BB/CC - the sales people who dont chain themselves to the $4000 plus TVs SUCK! - it used to be you had to know something about what your selling... and now it seems like they just hire the kids who failed the test for making French Fries @ McDonalds]
We're all in the same boat on this. Unless you have an inside contact at Samsung you'll just have to wait.

4) Will some please clear up the Slimfit QAM issue for me? The slimfit is "cable-ready" but that is analog only (480i/480p) correct? and "cable-ready" IS NOT QAM, right? The problem is that lots of site show different specs on the slimfits and mention QAM with ATSC - and Samsung's own website is so inconsistant with marketing lanuage & technical specs - I really dont know what the true scenario is... a search of the TX-S manual does not mention QAM at all... however, the manual does say "With a built-in HD digital tuner, non-subscription HD broadcasts can be viewed with no Set-Top Box needed." Is an "HD digital tuner" Samsung's english translation software equates with QAM?

Bottom line - With a Samsung Slimfit - will I be able to watch Fox's "24" in Hi-Def over my standard, non-digital, comcast cable package - or will I have to rely on OTA reception from Boston which is 40 miles away (I hope not...cause from my read on antennaweb-DOT-org - that would require a hugh roof antenna!)
I don't know if there will ever be a clear answer on this, as unbelieveable as that sounds. Samsung simply has not chosen to clarify their documentation. I also read the manual, and IMHO you cannot deduce anything from the "...non-subscription HD broadcasts..." language. I do not believe that "HD digital tuner" is Samsung's way of indicating that a QAM tuner is present?

Rodrir

03-31-06, 04:03 PM

Hello all, I'm new to the board and could use some help, (great info here BTW)

I just bought the 3079 slimfit about three weeks ago at best buy and had to return the first one due to the terrible bowing. I got a new one and it does have minor bowing but it's hardly noticeable and I can live with it. But now I have a new issue that is extremley irratating. There is a line down the middle of the screen that is just a tad lighter than the rest of the picture. It's only noticiable when a scene has a lot of black. (night time scenes etc.).

I thought about calling a tech but the problem is it's only really noticable at night when it's completely dark in my living room! During the day my girlfriend and I will look for and it and can't see it. So I know if i bring a tech in he's going to look at me like I'm crazy.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what it might be? I know someone said it takes about 100 hours for a TV to settle in but could it be something wrong with the tube?

Any help will be much appreciated.

huberjgl

03-31-06, 05:18 PM

Played around in the Service Menu a little on my 3080.
Didn't want to mess with too much, but figured out how to decrease the overscan,
now I can see the "4's" when the voice on the HDNet test patterns say I should be seeing the 4's, could barely see the 8's before tweaking.

Can see a slight bowing in the test patterns and guide, but watching TV I don't even see it, so I probably won't mess with those settings,
not into HD ESPN or other channels that have a scrolling ticker.

Played a little PS3 with the son, and it even looked great, but did notice HUD items along the outer edges were slightly blurry due to less phosphors on the edges, fixable by playing in 4:3 mode instead of 16:9.

Watched the season premiere of the Sopranos that I HD-Tivo'd 3 weeks ago, and it looked spectacular, although a little dark in spots.
Then watched a "My Name Is Earl" from a couple weeks ago, it looked great as well, all crisp bright and sunny scenes.
Have a lot of catching up to do, 3 weeks of assorted HD programming sitting in the Tivo waiting to be watched.

Jerry

bocmir

03-31-06, 07:13 PM

I just had one simple question: Does this TV have the ability to have the ability to set different values for different inputs? In other words, can I calibrate the Component 1 different from Component 2 in the Service Menu.
Unfortunately, no. Newer Samsung sets have universal settings for the SM. Only one configuration allowed, and it applies to ALL inputs at ALL supported resolutions.

RED02SL

03-31-06, 07:18 PM

This This forum is great

Never gave my television PQ this much thought until now.

I've had my 3079 a couple of weeks now and still no serious complaints (as far as the geometry issue goes). Like a few others here minor bowing is barely noticeable on my set.

Tweak my set :D man who would have thought! Should kids try this at home? :rolleyes:
Saw a forum about calibration here somewhere but had no idea.

The PQ IMHO is great - nearly in tears when I first saw it in HD. :eek:

Any comments on the improvements made from those who have tweaked their slimfit?
Has it had any effect on the bowing at all?

Thanks again to those who share their experience here.

RED02SL

03-31-06, 08:15 PM

OK - Display Calibration Forum - Good Stuff

KoRn

03-31-06, 09:27 PM

I can feel the love.

LMAO! Hey Deathwish.......so you came to check up on ol' SnotRocket too hey?

Laserfan

04-01-06, 01:17 PM

In looking at the TX-R2779H, it apparently has an "HD Tuner" built-in, but then I look at Samsung's website and they list some other Slimfits with "ATSC Tuner".

I'm a little confused, and Samsung's specs aren't helping me: Is the 2779's "HD Tuner" any different from one with "ATSC"? Or maybe there is a distinction to be made for Cable? I only want an ATSC tuner for OTA reception of digital television.

Anyone here know what this is about?

Schwingding

04-01-06, 03:42 PM

I seem to have a new feature/problem with my Slimfit - it shuts off randomly! This is a brand new thing, just started this morning.

Right in the middle of a program, power just goes off. Push the power on button on remote, the set acts like it is going to power up, but it does not. If I turn off the AV receiver it is connected to, it will then allow me to power it up. But it'll shut off again whenever it decides to.

I have only one input on this TV - the HDMI, it is connected to a Yamaha HTR 5990.

ANY idea whats going on?

broeks

04-01-06, 07:27 PM

My slimfit stopped turning on. I called Samsung and they sent someone out to fix it. So I would call Samsung before your warranty runs out.

justsc

04-03-06, 01:42 PM

...There is a line down the middle of the screen that is just a tad lighter than the rest of the picture. It's only noticiable when a scene has a lot of black. (night time scenes etc.).

I thought about calling a tech but the problem is it's only really noticable at night when it's completely dark in my living room! During the day my girlfriend and I will look for and it and can't see it. So I know if i bring a tech in he's going to look at me like I'm crazy.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what it might be? I know someone said it takes about 100 hours for a TV to settle in but could it be something wrong with the tube?

Any help will be much appreciated.
The only time I've seen such a thing on a Samsung set is when using the DNIe "test." This usually shows the current image and what it could look like with DNIe on. Other than that you've got me stumped.

I recommend you go to the Calibration area directly below this one. There are loads of folks there with serious experience.

CoolVito

04-04-06, 06:23 PM

SpookyApparition

04-05-06, 08:41 PM

I got a 30" SlimFit today at Best Buy, despite the crappy opinions on this forum :D Anyway, I don't notice any geometry problems yet, but this is my first HDTV so I'm kind of clueless. Taking that into account, I have a few simple questions:

1) I was under the impression a built-in HDTV tuner meant that I could watch channels that had HD content without any other accessories. This doesn't seem to be the case. What else do I need?

2) Normal TV shows obviously don't look great in 16:9; the picture is stretched, and sometimes this highlights the flaws in it. Is the only recourse to watch everything in 4:3 and risk having burn-in?

3) When a TV show or commercial is letterboxed, shouldn't it automatically fill my screen when I'm watching in 16:9? Right now, I get horizontal bars even on 16:9, which seems completely pointless.

I'm confused folks, help me out.

SpookyApparition

04-05-06, 11:19 PM

Oh, also: I haven't noticed any of the problems with tickers/lines bowing, although sometimes on certain channels (MSNBC) the ticker will be a bit low. Also, the left letterbox slants just a BIT to the right, at the top of the screen; maybe 1/4 of an inch. I don't think its a big enough deal to return the TV, but is there a reliable fix? Can service guys fix it?

justsc

04-06-06, 11:12 AM

1) I was under the impression a built-in HDTV tuner meant that I could watch channels that had HD content without any other accessories. This doesn't seem to be the case. What else do I need?
You do need an antenna, one that will pick up digital transmissions. I believe an antenna that picks-up UHF frequencies is adequate. Run a cable to your tv and you're good to go.

2) Normal TV shows obviously don't look great in 16:9; the picture is stretched, and sometimes this highlights the flaws in it. Is the only recourse to watch everything in 4:3 and risk having burn-in?
I watch all SD shows in pillarbox (bars on the sides) and I've seen no burn-in. It would be wise if you avoided too much viewing with bars for the first 100 viewing hours, just to be careful. Also, stay away from the Dynamic picture mode and keep Contrast under 40.

3) When a TV show or commercial is letterboxed, shouldn't it automatically fill my screen when I'm watching in 16:9? Right now, I get horizontal bars even on 16:9, which seems completely pointless.
Since you aren't yet watching HD, you're not getting a signal to properly display in 16:9, unless you're referring to DVDs. The bars built into SD material don't relate to how your set will handle HD signals. When you do receive an HD signal, and it's in 16:9 format, it will fill your widescreen set. There are DVDs that are even wider than 16:9, and these will leave you with letterbox bars on an HD set.

amtalx

04-06-06, 02:37 PM

deadzone

04-06-06, 03:24 PM

Im buying one of two new tvs either the LG 30FS4D or the Samsung TX-R3079WH. Ive been to best buy and they luckily they had them side by side so i could do an easy comparison. They both look nice. The issue i have is that the sammy has worse geometry problems and the LG has the loss of focus near the edges of the screen. I will primarily be using this tv for gaming and watching movies. What i would like to know is if its possible to fix the focus issues around the edges in the service menu for the LG. If so ill probably go with the LG since the geometry issues didnt seem that bad. Ive also heard bad things about the sammys dying after a few months. Anyone got something to say about that?

Hey amtalx, welcome to the forums. :)

I own the Samsung Slimfit 30 inch tv (79 Series) and have had little to no problems with mine at all. No buzzing, no dying, a geometry problem that is barely discernable at best, and no other issues of any other type.

My experience has thus far, been really excellent. I have had the tv for about, maybe 3 months now I guess. Maybe a little less. I have found that in my own experience that the tv needed a few days of use to come into it's own and really shine. I also invested in Avia Professional (Calibration DVD) and used it to calibrate my tv on my own, which resulted in an even better picture for me.

Based on this, I can vouch for the Samsung, and at least tell you that in my case, I am extremely satisfied with my purchase. You should know that this tv comes with a 1 year manufacturer warranty in place if you buy it new. If you want, check into extended warranty options with whomever you buy it from. That's a personal choice though, as I didn't really buy extended warranties most of the time.

It really comes down to the individual and their tastes. Both tv's seem to have documented issues that for the most part, seem to be fixable. Both manufacturers have been in the business of tv's for a while, which in my opinion is a plus.

So in the end, I really don't know what to actually tell you to do. I don't have a lot of experience with HDTV as the Samsung was my first plunge. I know it was a really tough decision for me and that I was more often than not, pretty much just confused about HDTV's more than anything else, because of all of the different types of tv's. In the end, size constraints and bang for my buck guided my buying decision and I ended up with what I thought was the best choice. (LG's set was not available at the time mind you, I don't know if it would have made a difference though..)

Anyway, happy HDTV hunting! I apologize in advance for "wordiness", i'm just like that I guess. :)

justsc

04-06-06, 03:39 PM

bbrowne74

04-07-06, 11:18 AM

Just bring it back already! Get something you like instead. Heck, I don't keep anything I don't like if I can help it. :)

Well last Thursday I took the SLimfit back and got a Sharp Aquos LCD. Paid 400 bucks over the receipt for my last purchase,but I did'nt get any extended warranty on it, the CC one was absolutely the most useless warranty I've ever dealt with. WHen I could get someone who was here in the Continental US, they all but said all they can do is send it to the local repair facility.

The contracted repair facility where I live is horrendous. I'll never deal with them again either. TV came back in worse condition than it left.

I hope Samsung can get these TVs right because at that price point you can get HD in a nice package.

RED02SL

04-07-06, 01:08 PM

Hey amtalx, welcome to the forums. :)

I own the Samsung Slimfit 30 inch tv (79 Series) and have had little to no problems with mine at all. No buzzing, no dying, a geometry problem that is barely discernable at best, and no other issues of any other type.

My experience has thus far, been really excellent. I have had the tv for about, maybe 3 months now I guess. Maybe a little less. I have found that in my own experience that the tv needed a few days of use to come into it's own and really shine. I also invested in Avia Professional (Calibration DVD) and used it to calibrate my tv on my own, which resulted in an even better picture for me.

Based on this, I can vouch for the Samsung, and at least tell you that in my case, I am extremely satisfied with my purchase.

Ditto: Welcome amtalx :)
Very similar experience for me with DeadZone's
I've had mine about a month now no complaints. After checking out the LG my personal preference was the 3079. I think both are great buys though.

Deadzone -- Glad to hear you had good results calibrating the PQ on your already good looking set. :cool:

I know this isnt the place for details about your experience with Avia Pro on your set - Just curious in general how that went. Was this a first for you?
What factors weighed in on your choice?

I opted to tread slow and go with the lower priced DVE (should be receiving any day now). All goes well I may go into deeper waters.

deadzone

04-07-06, 02:17 PM

RED02SL:

I know this isnt the place for details about your experience with Avia Pro on your set - Just curious in general how that went. Was this a first for you?

Hey Red! I'm glad to see some more support from my side of the street about the Samsung Slimfits! :)

RE: Avia Pro

My experience was pretty good with it. I found it a little daunting and overwhelming at first but I found some links to some great usage guides here on AVS forums under the dislplay calibration forum. Avia/DVE link that really helped me (http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/Video-calibration.html)

I didn't really base my decision on anything special when it came to buying Avia Pro. I plan to get at least one other program at some point, so I figured I would go for something basic and halfway understandable for me to begin with. :)

It was definitely a first for me to do all of this as I have always "eyeballed" everything and adjusted to my liking. I found that after I did the calibration that it was almost the exact settings that I already had in place under the "Movie setting" of my tv. :D I told my wife that I was just really good at it, but I chalk it up to luck myself. :)

One thing that I can tell you is this.

Make sure you take into account your room setup and the different connections you have for your tv.

First- I have my tv in a fairly bright room, so I had to calibrate once during the day and once at night to get adjustments that I could live with for day and night viewing.

Second - I have my dvd player hooked via the HDMI and the HD Cox box that I rent hooked up via Component. I had to calibrate separately for each connection to maximize my viewing pleasure.

Anyway, the end result for me was that I have 4 separate settings for my tv:

Component hookup day
Component hookup night
HDMI hookup day
HDMI hookup night

Confused yet? Yeah me too... :) Things look fantastic and natural on my tv now though. I can tell you that much. :) SD looks very good and obviously, HD is over the top now! :cool:

I'm currently trying to figure out scaling and how that works now. I don't understand how it works. I have my DVD and my Cox HD box set to output at the highest level available right now. But I think I am bypassing the tv scaler by doing so. I assume I just turn the settings to default on the DVD player and the Cox HD box if I want the tv to do the scaling? I dunno, I guess I will figure it out. :)

Formal apology - WORDINESS again. :)

RED02SL

04-07-06, 03:58 PM

I've been spending a little time reading various threads on the Display Calibration forum. Lots of good info there. From what I've read DVE is not quite as newbie friendly as Avia - but hey all the answers are right here on the forum. I'll post how it goes with DVE.
Its only just begun.

Thanks for the feedback.

amtalx

04-08-06, 02:53 AM

Thanks for all the input everyone i think ive settled on getting a 3080 and not a 3079 over the LG. I do have a follow-up question though. Since i will be using this for gaming mostly, some of you know the xbox360 outputs in 720p and 1080i. My question has to do with the way crts display hd pictures. To me it seems like 720p would look better since it a progressive image so i was planning on using that. However its come to my attention that crts will just upconvert the 720p picture to 1080i. Is this true? Will there be any noticable difference in quality? Any input from someone that owns a 360 would be much appreciated.

villa

04-08-06, 11:43 AM

djWHEAT

04-09-06, 12:49 PM

Well 30 pages later, I figure it's time for me to tell my story...

My wife and I recently buried our first generation HDTV. It was a Toshiba 40" TheaterWide that served us with great quality and efficency for nearly 5 years. After being holed up in a giant room with a 19" SD set for 4 months, we decided we HAD to get something that would fulfill our entertainment needs. Our money situation was tight, and we knew we would have to aim for the middle of the road... until it was time to fire on our "new and offical" Home HDTV Monster.

After doing some research, I actually went to the store with the intention of purchasing the Toshiba 30" CRT. My wife, in an unusual turn of events, suggested that she actually liked the Samsung in both look and PQ (NOTE: I guess 3 years of going, "DAMN HONEY LOOK AT THAT SAMSUNG DLP" - the brainwashing worked).

The Samsung SlimFit was $150 more, but it really is a handsom looking guy. The BB near our house had the '79' version (which after now reading this thread I am surprised I wasn't getting the 80 or 82 versions). So I picked it up, got it home, happened to have a Entertainment stand which just fit the TV like a glove (I'm worried the Toshiba or a "non-SlimFit" won't fit).

Hooked everything up, fired it on, contrast was set to 85 (LOL). As I began to run through my initial calibrations... it took approximately 30 seconds before I noticed the bow at middle-bottom on the set. The difference is was about 3mm higher on the middle/right side. The overscan was also pretty horrendous, but the bow was my biggest concern.

I decided to continue with configuration and see what I could make this puppy do. I'm not a super advanced television user. I do all my own configuration based off the stuff I read on the net, and don't actually have a config DVD at all... that is unless you want to count SW Episode III: THX Optimizer :P

This set delivers an amazing picture... there is no doubt. We watched Chronicles of Naria on it and it was fantastic. In fact, it was rather nice to watch a scene in snow that was completely white and not see any Red/Blue bleeds.

Do I like the set? Yes. The look the PQ, it's all great.

The problem is I absolutely cannot live with the bow that is present in the picture. I'm unfortunately obsessive compulsive and it's difficult for me to not focus my eyes to that portion of the screen. Anything with overlay graphics or tickers is 1000x worse, but even the bottom black bar on the Narnia letterbox was bent enough to annoy me.

I've not yet ventured into the SM yet. From the posts in this thread it looks like the SM changes could allow me to soften the bow, but not completely eliminate it.

At this point i'm not really sure if I should take this thing back and try to get one that works, or if I need to find a brand/model which is less "accident prone". I think there are folks on this thread who went both ways...

For those who have sacrificed this set for another 30" CRT (or comparable) - what brand/models did you go for to try to achieve a similar PQ for the same money?

I just bought the TV the other day, so I'm going to stomach it for a few days... do some more research and figure out where to go.

Thanks to everyone's help!

KoRn

04-09-06, 03:00 PM

If you arent happy go exchange it. There are good ones out there. Mine is fine no bowing or anything. Overscan it has that. But which widescreen crt doesnt have that problem? Even the best of the best sony has the problem.

Well 30 pages later, I figure it's time for me to tell my story...

My wife and I recently buried our first generation HDTV. It was a Toshiba 40" TheaterWide that served us with great quality and efficency for nearly 5 years. After being holed up in a giant room with a 19" SD set for 4 months, we decided we HAD to get something that would fulfill our entertainment needs. Our money situation was tight, and we knew we would have to aim for the middle of the road... until it was time to fire on our "new and offical" Home HDTV Monster.

After doing some research, I actually went to the store with the intention of purchasing the Toshiba 30" CRT. My wife, in an unusual turn of events, suggested that she actually liked the Samsung in both look and PQ (NOTE: I guess 3 years of going, "DAMN HONEY LOOK AT THAT SAMSUNG DLP" - the brainwashing worked).

The Samsung SlimFit was $150 more, but it really is a handsom looking guy. The BB near our house had the '79' version (which after now reading this thread I am surprised I wasn't getting the 80 or 82 versions). So I picked it up, got it home, happened to have a Entertainment stand which just fit the TV like a glove (I'm worried the Toshiba or a "non-SlimFit" won't fit).

Hooked everything up, fired it on, contrast was set to 85 (LOL). As I began to run through my initial calibrations... it took approximately 30 seconds before I noticed the bow at middle-bottom on the set. The difference is was about 3mm higher on the middle/right side. The overscan was also pretty horrendous, but the bow was my biggest concern.

I decided to continue with configuration and see what I could make this puppy do. I'm not a super advanced television user. I do all my own configuration based off the stuff I read on the net, and don't actually have a config DVD at all... that is unless you want to count SW Episode III: THX Optimizer :P

This set delivers an amazing picture... there is no doubt. We watched Chronicles of Naria on it and it was fantastic. In fact, it was rather nice to watch a scene in snow that was completely white and not see any Red/Blue bleeds.

Do I like the set? Yes. The look the PQ, it's all great.

The problem is I absolutely cannot live with the bow that is present in the picture. I'm unfortunately obsessive compulsive and it's difficult for me to not focus my eyes to that portion of the screen. Anything with overlay graphics or tickers is 1000x worse, but even the bottom black bar on the Narnia letterbox was bent enough to annoy me.

I've not yet ventured into the SM yet. From the posts in this thread it looks like the SM changes could allow me to soften the bow, but not completely eliminate it.

At this point i'm not really sure if I should take this thing back and try to get one that works, or if I need to find a brand/model which is less "accident prone". I think there are folks on this thread who went both ways...

For those who have sacrificed this set for another 30" CRT (or comparable) - what brand/models did you go for to try to achieve a similar PQ for the same money?

I just bought the TV the other day, so I'm going to stomach it for a few days... do some more research and figure out where to go.

Thanks to everyone's help!

rcs476

04-10-06, 04:29 PM

ryandegs

04-10-06, 05:04 PM

You're very welcome.

You might want to keep your trips into the SM to yourself, unless you've already mentioned it. Some OEM's will try to assert that you've voided the warranty by going into the SM and making adjustments. Some actually have this written into their warranty documents.

I'm not saying to lie, just don't tell 'em more than what they ask for.

Again, Best of Luck! ;)

Finally, after almost 2 months from my original service call, my 3079 gets a new main circuit board. :mad:

BBB complaint is still up, an extension of warranty is in order...

For those looking into buying a Samsung TV set, make sure you have the patience to take on something like this. The TV is a great deal hands down -- once you calibrate it to your tastes, but CUSTOMER SERVICE is really terrible.

===
Question: With the change of my main circuit board, do I need to adjust my SM settings again? I did not write down the adjustments I made before (I have the factory SM settings though), just wanted to know if I need to take another day off to tinker with SM. :D Thanks!

amtalx

04-11-06, 12:23 PM

Well back again... I thought i was all set gettin the 3080 over the 3079. Now im not sure. My probelem is that the 3080 doesnt have HDMI. Im assuming that HDMI will be used more in the future (am i right?) so i want to have that. So i would gladly switch back to the 3079 however does anyone know if the bowing issues are better or worse with the 3079/3080 or the same? Add to that the 3082 just showed up on circuit citys website. Does anyone have any experience to share with that tv? I havnt heard much about it.

huberjgl

04-11-06, 01:16 PM

My 3080 has HDMI.

TX-R3080WH, speakers on the bottom.

It has minimal bowing, I don't even notice it.

Jerry

amtalx

04-11-06, 01:56 PM

Oh, the spec sheet on the samsung website isnt complete. Says it in the blurb though. Back to the 3080 hehe.

imagine6

04-11-06, 04:35 PM

citykids

04-11-06, 09:21 PM

I got a question: (please forgive my noobness)

OK - the Slim Fit will display in either 480p or 1080i right? So the DVD player (Samsung HD-850) I'm using allows me to switch to different resolutions on the fly (480p, 720p and 1080i), so what happens to the 720p resolution? Is it converted to 1080i?

All this seemed much easier to figure out when I had my Sammy connected to my Dell PC monitor - 'cause it would display all of the resolutions the player put out (480, 720, 768 and 1080i) forgive me I'm rambling!

jpaul

04-11-06, 11:23 PM

Went to CC today to see the new "S" 3082 series slimfit. Aesthetically I love this set. Samsung has done a really good job on design plus the price is right. BUT, the bowing of the picture was still there! I also want a QAM tuner to get local HD with my basic cable which this set does not have. I can only get one HD channel through my antenna. Looks like the bowing problem is always going to be an issue with these slimfit designs. Sad because I really wanted to like this set.

Hmm, well it is certainly with minimal fanfare that this television finally made it to retail. I guess I should call up my local CC and see if they have any in stock to go take a peek at. Thanks for letting us know that its in stock. Are the aesthetics nice?

imagine6

04-12-06, 12:01 PM

Yes the aesthetics are really nice as I originally posted. The remote is slim and sleek now as well.

+1chromosome

04-12-06, 01:33 PM

I ended up getting a Slimfit a few days ago, and I'm just having a horrible time with the thing ---- you guys have been major helpful on this forum, thanx a bunch.

I'm really in need of a TV primarily for gaming (90% games, 10% TV) ---- so with all the geometry issues of the Slimfit, they show of BIGTIME on games since at 60 frames a second at 1080i you see the purity of your screen.

I went after a new TV once i saw how bad the overscan was on my old Samsung (4:3 letterboxed) -- it must have been upwards of 22% !!!!
The Slimfit really took good care of this issue, once I broke into the SM i was able to get rid of almost all the Overscan (5% maybe?)
But then the Geometry hit me like a ton of bricks.

I have the horozontal bowing issue, that these TV's seem to come standard with -- and the edges warping .... there's really no way to get rid of this it seems (someone mentioned removing the faulty UPS from inside, but i have no idea what the hell this means)
most videogames have a lot of static menues, text, etc --- so you can't miss the bad geometry (my girlfriend picked up on it right away)
not only that, but the resolution seems to flex out towards the edges so detail blurs and then pops in REAL crisp in the center.

the kicker is when running a 1080i game at 60fps --- with the sharpness at 100 (and looking into a sky, or bright surface) ----- I can see exactly where the Tube tries to compensate for the Slimfit, it's a huge halo framing the center ----- there's also a few verticle lines that place themselves towards the center.
when looking at a flat texture and scrolling, all the geometry issues pop up huge - it's like you're looking at a projector screen that's layed over rocks : \

I'm going to return this thing as soon as i get a chance --- I'd really love to get a SONY Wega CRT - i hear they handle the geometry much better.
If anyone can offer reccomendations of anything other than the Slimfit, i would love that.

sucks though, i really loved the industrial design of the slimfit --- the technology just isn't ready.

KoRn

04-12-06, 04:10 PM

The technology is there for this thing. Its just horrible how many people are getting bad sets. I bought this knowing all the issues it had. I seen it in the store and the picture was jaw dropping. I was willing to exchange it to get a good one. I lucked out and on my first try I got a perfectly good one. It only has SLIGHT overscan. But what crt widescreen doesnt. Everything is perfectly straight on mine. Mine is strictly for games and movies. I will have to get some screen shots up and show everyone some pics of it. 360 games. The set is worth an exchange imo. Ill have to get some shots showing how everything is nice and straight. Pgr3 or madden 06 should do the trick.

I ended up getting a Slimfit a few days ago, and I'm just having a horrible time with the thing ---- you guys have been major helpful on this forum, thanx a bunch.

I'm really in need of a TV primarily for gaming (90% games, 10% TV) ---- so with all the geometry issues of the Slimfit, they show of BIGTIME on games since at 60 frames a second at 1080i you see the purity of your screen.

I went after a new TV once i saw how bad the overscan was on my old Samsung (4:3 letterboxed) -- it must have been upwards of 22% !!!!
The Slimfit really took good care of this issue, once I broke into the SM i was able to get rid of almost all the Overscan (5% maybe?)
But then the Geometry hit me like a ton of bricks.

I have the horozontal bowing issue, that these TV's seem to come standard with -- and the edges warping .... there's really no way to get rid of this it seems (someone mentioned removing the faulty UPS from inside, but i have no idea what the hell this means)
most videogames have a lot of static menues, text, etc --- so you can't miss the bad geometry (my girlfriend picked up on it right away)
not only that, but the resolution seems to flex out towards the edges so detail blurs and then pops in REAL crisp in the center.

the kicker is when running a 1080i game at 60fps --- with the sharpness at 100 (and looking into a sky, or bright surface) ----- I can see exactly where the Tube tries to compensate for the Slimfit, it's a huge halo framing the center ----- there's also a few verticle lines that place themselves towards the center.
when looking at a flat texture and scrolling, all the geometry issues pop up huge - it's like you're looking at a projector screen that's layed over rocks : \

I'm going to return this thing as soon as i get a chance --- I'd really love to get a SONY Wega CRT - i hear they handle the geometry much better.
If anyone can offer reccomendations of anything other than the Slimfit, i would love that.

sucks though, i really loved the industrial design of the slimfit --- the technology just isn't ready.

jpaul

04-12-06, 04:29 PM

geekformayor

04-12-06, 05:46 PM

I bought one of these TV's back in November. So far, it's worked wonderfully. However, I've never had a decent TV, so I don't have a lot to compare it to.

Anyway, last night we were watching TV and all the sudden the picture kinda got squished. There was about 4 inches of space at the top, and the sides near the top were angled in. It looked like the picture had been slightly squished like a marshmellow and slightly tilted backwards. I unplugged the TV a few times and it finally went back to normal.

Then today, the same thing happened, however this time the picture did not go back to it's normal position. On the Samsung support website it says "If the picture on your Dynaflat HDTV looks like a keystone, you need to get the TV serviced." I called Samsung and they said they'd have to send someone out.

Has anyone had this issue? Were you able to remedy it on your own? The issue occurs no matter what source/input you have selected.

Please help!

Bryan

KoRn

04-12-06, 06:06 PM

No I dont. The picture is crisp all around.

And you don't have the loss of resolution out towards the edges?

Schwingding

04-13-06, 12:07 PM

Do yourselves a favor - get rid of this TV! Best thing that happened to me was having the power supply go bad.

I now have a Sharp LC32D40U in its place and there is no comparison at all. I'm now mad that I lived for so long with that Slimfit and its geometry issues.

Picture quality - I was kidding myself with the "CRT is still the best picture" line. Not the Slimfit!

While in the CC buying my new set I was able to talk another guy out of buying a Slimfit, so I did my good deed for the day.

justsc

04-13-06, 03:51 PM

...Question: With the change of my main circuit board, do I need to adjust my SM settings again? I did not write down the adjustments I made before (I have the factory SM settings though), just wanted to know if I need to take another day off to tinker with SM. :D Thanks!
If it were me, I would re-calibrate the set. Most of your SM adjustments have to do with the main board, and should be revisited.

Cheers! ;)

GamerX52986

04-13-06, 06:39 PM

Korn...I notice you play the Xbox 360 on the slim-fit. I do as well. Out of curiousity what resolution do you have the 360 dashboard settings at? Right now I'm using 720p widescreen but occasionally get a screen flicker on the bottom inch or so of the screen. Its most noticeable on the dashboard and certain games. It flickers like crazy on the recently released Topspin2. I'm wondering if switching it to 1080i would remedy the problem. I've had the set since last September and its performed flawlessly. Though if this flickering doesnt stop, I'm running out and getting one of the newly released 26" Samsung lcd's.

GamerX52986

04-13-06, 11:02 PM

Actually I took the time and went into the service menu and my problems have been fixed. Heh...I was even using the default settings on dynamic and changed over to custom settings. Talk about a huge improvement in picture quality. And to think I was already pleased other than the screen flicker. Like others have mentioned, if you tinker with the service menu most of the problems with the set can be fixed.

geekformayor

04-14-06, 11:28 AM

how do u get to the service menu?

amtalx

04-14-06, 12:01 PM

Just got my slimfit today, so far im satisfied. GRAW looks really nice. The only thing is i have the bowing issue everyone does. Not bothering me that much but i was wondering if anyone knows which setting in the service menu i should use to push the middle of the screen down. The middle is bowing up. Or how to move each side of the screen individually.

cejay

04-14-06, 12:44 PM

KoRn

04-14-06, 03:23 PM

Weird. I dont get the flicker problem. On 1080i I do with racing games. Specifically burnout revenge. I leave mine on 720p. Try switching it to 1080i. It might work out for you every tv is different.

Korn...I notice you play the Xbox 360 on the slim-fit. I do as well. Out of curiousity what resolution do you have the 360 dashboard settings at? Right now I'm using 720p widescreen but occasionally get a screen flicker on the bottom inch or so of the screen. Its most noticeable on the dashboard and certain games. It flickers like crazy on the recently released Topspin2. I'm wondering if switching it to 1080i would remedy the problem. I've had the set since last September and its performed flawlessly. Though if this flickering doesnt stop, I'm running out and getting one of the newly released 26" Samsung lcd's.

GamerX52986

04-14-06, 08:53 PM

Korn...thats exactly what I did. After tooling around in the service menu to adjust the picture more, I switched over to 1080i. Played the new Tomb Raider last night and had no flicker even on the dashboard. I'll have to try Topspin2 out later to see if the problem is truly gone or if its game specific. I mean I've had the set since last September and the 360 since the Nov 22 launch. Had it on 720p all this time and just now started to notice it. The flickering was always there occasionaly on the dashboard but never as much in games.

KoRn

04-14-06, 08:58 PM

Thats some really weird stuff goin on there. I have the tomb raider demo myself. I havent had any flicker problem with that game running the input through 720p or 1080i. Ive never had any flicker problem as a matter of fact running in 720p. The only game that has given me that problem is burnout revenge on 1080i. I switch it down to 720p and its smooth as butter. The picture is more soft resolution wise and smoother.

Korn...thats exactly what I did. After tooling around in the service menu to adjust the picture more, I switched over to 1080i. Played the new Tomb Raider last night and had no flicker even on the dashboard. I'll have to try Topspin2 out later to see if the problem is truly gone or if its game specific. I mean I've had the set since last September and the 360 since the Nov 22 launch. Had it on 720p all this time and just now started to notice it. The flickering was always there occasionaly on the dashboard but never as much in games.

GamerX52986

04-14-06, 09:27 PM

Hmm...I just popped in Topspin2 and its still there somewhat. It may be my copy of the game. I'll exchange it tomorrow for a new copy to hopefully remedy that. I should have expected it though since the game released at $39.99 new. Out of curiousity do you use a custom setting for your picture? If so what do you have it set at? I was just using the dynamic setting with its default values but was tinkering with custom setting last night. Still not positive that I like my current settings. I'm always interested to see what somebody else is using. Especially considering you use the set for 360 gaming and movies which I use it for gaming only.

KoRn

04-14-06, 09:34 PM

Ouch. Kill that dynamic setting asap man! Use that during the day or when theres a ton of light in the room. Dynamic puts your contrast level all the way to 100. In your manual it actually talks about what these settings do and are for. Anyways. I use the standard setting for everything and called it a day. It looks great. Btw... what model# do you have?

Hmm...I just popped in Topspin2 and its still there somewhat. It may be my copy of the game. I'll exchange it tomorrow for a new copy to hopefully remedy that. I should have expected it though since the game released at $39.99 new. Out of curiousity do you use a custom setting for your picture? If so what do you have it set at? I was just using the dynamic setting with its default values but was tinkering with custom setting last night. Still not positive that I like my current settings. I'm always interested to see what somebody else is using. Especially considering you use the set for 360 gaming and movies which I use it for gaming only.

GamerX52986

04-15-06, 12:25 AM

Its the TXR-3079WH. Its really not a bad set. I'm just trying to dial the picture in more now. I never messed with it when I first bought it.

KoRn

04-15-06, 12:29 AM

Oh ok. Yeah man standard mode is perfect imo for everything.

Its the TXR-3079WH. Its really not a bad set. I'm just trying to dial the picture in more now. I never messed with it when I first bought it.

andydumi

04-15-06, 10:47 AM

I have the Samsung 3079 slimfit..
How can you manually enter in a HD (antenna) channel without doing a channel scan?

I want to input 11.1 or say 11.2, I dont see a way to do this with the remote
at all. I hate having to rescan the channels just to try to get a better signal
and possibly bring in a channel i cant get all the time (11.1)...

Please tell me there is a way to input manual HDTV channels.

I can put 11 or any 2 digital channels in all day long, but dont see a way
to input the channel + .1

I tested a Sony hdtv tube tv in the store a few months ago and it
actually had a "." button on the remote i think.

every hd channel has a coresponding channel number. for me OTA SD ABC is 33, but HD ABC.1 is 63 and HD ABC.2 is 64.

So if i hit 33 i get SD ABC, and if i hit 63 i get HD.1.

The good thing is, once the channel is recognized, using channel up/down rotates through 33 then 33.1 then 33.2, regardless of the actual broadcast order, 33 ... more channels... 63, 64.

Hope this helps and im not too confusing.

amtalx

04-15-06, 01:26 PM

Ive bee playing graw and ive noticed that the brightness sometimes goes up and down. It will be fine then it will be really dark for a while then go back. It sounds like this is some kind of dynamic setting to manage brightness> Anyone know what it is. I am using custom not dynamic btw.

Vegeta

04-15-06, 03:31 PM

Does the new TX-S3082WH also have the geometry problems?

robthedonkey

04-15-06, 03:59 PM

So I’ve been reading this post since page 1 and since everyone seem to be having different luck I thought I’d share how my Samsung purchase went.

I barrowed my friends Mustang Convert which was entertaining to watch the loading guy’s reaction. I opened the convert and said it’ll fit in the back seat, I knew it would because I measured it. It was a squeeze, but it fit, my main concern was closing the lid because it was pouring that day.

I got it home and I got one of the bad ones, on each side of the 4:3 there was an S shape, I tried to fix it in the menu with doubt since I’ve adjusted some TVs before. I of course took it back and got an exchange and insisted we plug it in before I take it home. Some of them were ok with it but the loading guy wasn’t all that pleased with me. They of course weren’t interested in plugging something into it for me, so I had to check it via the 2 seconds of snow the TV provides. I then asked about the hourglass shape and they got a manager who said oh that’s because there’s not signal too it. I just about hit my head on the counter; little did he know I just returned one with geometry issues. I took it anyway with hopes to be able to fix it since it was only an hourglass shape and not the S shape from the previous one.

I got it home and it was a lot better then the previous one even with the hourglass shape, I have now adjusted for it in the menu and there’s a minor s shape but not enough to neither complain nor worry about. I figure over time I’ll either get use to it or forget about it. My friend didn’t even notice this time and if it’s in widescreen and you watch something with a line in it you can’t tell unless you’re seriously looking for it.

I want to thank the people that have posted other info on adjusting things like the red push it makes the picture much more enjoyable.

I seem to have some sort of AC leak some where which I tought was my old TV but apparently not because it hasn't gone away. I found out when I shocked myself with the cable, which the company has been out here to see what it is and blamed it on my equipment and not the cable. So what I'm wondering is if I need to be doing something about it or just deal with it for the two months I'm living here. I've also thought about getting a Monster Cable Power Strip that does some purfication. Are there any thoughts or opinions on that?

KoRn

04-15-06, 08:38 PM

amtalx

04-16-06, 03:58 AM

dsanbo

04-16-06, 07:50 AM

Get one! Totally worth every penny and does what it says it suppose to. Heres a link to the one I bought.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6418753&type=product&id=1077627972545

If this post gets edited with the link. Heres the make and model.

Monster Power Home Theater PowerCenter
Model: MPHTS1000
IMHO...I wouldn't waste the $100 or so on their cables....but the Monster CleanPower units DO seem to do a good job. If you've invested big bucks on HD/AV, you owe it to yourself - and your equipment - to spend a bit more to protect it...... ;)

Paul210

04-16-06, 10:00 AM

Well ive been looking at my screen to try and figure out whats making the brightness change. Whenever there are a lot of dark colors on the screen it gets darker for some reason and if something like a dialog box that has a bright background comes up the whole screen gets brighter for some reason. Anyone got any ideas?

This is a real reach considering I don't even own this set, but this sounds like a symptom I had with my CRT-RPTV. If I disabled the SVM (scan velocity modulation--called VSM by some manufacturers), the problem went away. It was a very annoying problem.

Vegeta

04-16-06, 04:27 PM

I will have to get some screen shots up and show everyone some pics of it. 360 games. The set is worth an exchange imo. Ill have to get some shots showing how everything is nice and straight. Pgr3 or madden 06 should do the trick.

Please do.

KoRn

04-16-06, 05:21 PM

For sure. Ill try and get something up by tonite or tommarow.

Please do.

Vegeta

04-16-06, 06:51 PM

Do some pictures of the 360 dashboard too since that has many lines and the geometry will easily be seen.

Take some shots in 720p and also 1080i.

KoRn

04-17-06, 12:25 AM

My camera sucks. Its only a 2.0mp kodak :/ So the quality sucks. Some pics may look somewhat blurred but they really arent. Its my camera. Pay close attention to that dashboard. You can clearly see the 1080i is much sharper. Also look close with the pgr 3 pics. The 1080i looks more clearer. Look at the ground and take a peek at that arrow on the left side. Also look on the bottom roof of the car. The lines going across are more crisp in 1080i and visible than 720p. The ground is even more crisp than the 720p. By the higher resolution. Just by looking at those few things you notice the difference. Dont put your face in the pics or you will have trouble seeing the differences. 1080i might look better. But it plays smooth as butter with 720p. 1080i is alot more rough and blurry with racing games. Onto the pics.

480p dashboard http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/korngtl15/480p.jpg

720p dashboard

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/korngtl15/720pdashboard.jpg

1080i dashboard

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/korngtl15/1080idashboard.jpg

480p pgr3

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/korngtl15/100_4149.jpg

720p pgr3

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/korngtl15/720pgr3.jpg

1080i pgr3

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/korngtl15/1080ipgr3.jpg

kameo

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/korngtl15/100_4123.jpg

tomb raider

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/korngtl15/100_4126.jpg

amtalx

04-17-06, 01:20 AM

This is a real reach considering I don't even own this set, but this sounds like a symptom I had with my CRT-RPTV. If I disabled the SVM (scan velocity modulation--called VSM by some manufacturers), the problem went away. It was a very annoying problem.

Thanks for the suggestion. I there are some VM_LEVEL type options that i tried and that didnt seem to work. In fact i played with all the Adjust Video 1 and 2 options and that didnt seem to do anything. Might it be my set?

Vegeta

04-17-06, 12:20 PM

Thanks for the pics.

I did notice with the dashboard pics that your set does have the infamous bend in the lower center of the screen in the middle of the disc tray icon though on the whole, the geometry of your set is nowhere near as nasty as some other Slimfits I have seen.

KoRn

04-17-06, 12:27 PM

I cant see a bend anywhere. The camera was crooked when I took them. I dont have a tripod :/ Im just trying to see what your seeing. Everything is straight and not crooked or bent. Even ticker wise which alot of people complain about. I do have some overscan though. Its noticeable on graw. I can see the whole top of the hud and some of the sides. But the lower half I can only see the bottom left and right ends. The rest is cut off from the overscan.

Thanks for the pics.

I did notice with the dashboard pics that your set does have the infamous bend in the lower center of the screen in the middle of the disc tray icon though on the whole, the geometry of your set is nowhere near as nasty as some other Slimfits I have seen.

Vegeta

04-17-06, 03:50 PM

Would a DVI-I to HDMI cable work to connect a PC to a Slimfit ie HTPC setup?

The manual states:

http://deckard2019.free.fr/hdmi.png

Do not attempt to connect the HDMI connector to a PC or Laptop Graphics Card.

Thats from the European manual of the new black Slimfit, WS32Z409T (TX-S3082WH).

If anyone has tried it, does it look any good at 720p or 1080i or is the text such as from the desktop or webpage unreadable?

Also, does the Slimfit scale 480i to 480p and display 480p as is or is everything scaled to 1080i?

Can you post some 480i and 480p pics Korn?

KoRn

04-17-06, 08:24 PM

I have a 480p pic. Here you go. Save em to your desktop and put them side by side or flip through starting with 480p. You will notice the resolution changes. The 720 falls in between 480p and 1080i resolution wise if that makes any sense. Ill just post them all together instead. 480p 1st pic 720p 2nd pic 3rd pic 1080i It says it takes 480i and then scales it to 480p. After seeing those pics on page 31. I actually edited my post a little bit more. Check it out if you want. I added a 480p pic of pgr3. Would you still say its still scaling? Or do you flat out notice resolution changes like I do? Its even alot more noticeable if I had a better camera or you could see this in person. As I have been saying all along. The picture is softer and lower resolution in 720p. But it runs alot more smoother than the 1080i input.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/korngtl15/480p.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/korngtl15/720pdashboard.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/korngtl15/1080idashboard.jpg

Would a DVI-I to HDMI cable work to connect a PC to a Slimfit ie HTPC setup?

The manual states:

http://deckard2019.free.fr/hdmi.png

Do not attempt to connect the HDMI connector to a PC or Laptop Graphics Card.

Thats from the European manual of the new black Slimfit, WS32Z409T (TX-S3082WH).

If anyone has tried it, does it look any good at 720p or 1080i or is the text such as from the desktop or webpage unreadable?

Also, does the Slimfit scale 480i to 480p and display 480p as is or is everything scaled to 1080i?

Can you post some 480i and 480p pics Korn?

robthedonkey

04-17-06, 10:30 PM

Would a DVI-I to HDMI cable work to connect a PC to a Slimfit ie HTPC setup?

The manual states:

Do not attempt to connect the HDMI connector to a PC or Laptop Graphics Card.

Thats from the European manual of the new black Slimfit, WS32Z409T (TX-S3082WH).

If anyone has tried it, does it look any good at 720p or 1080i or is the text such as from the desktop or webpage unreadable?

Also, does the Slimfit scale 480i to 480p and display 480p as is or is everything scaled to 1080i?

Can you post some 480i and 480p pics Korn?

It should work, I haven't heard of an HDMI TV not accepting a computer DVI signal, I'll be upset if mine doesn't do so. Part of my plan is eventually to get an HD HTPC running on this TV. I plan to order a cable online soon, so I'll let you know if it doesn't work for some reason, once I receive it in the mail of course.

It's interesting they say that since the Moto boxes are basicly dumbed down linux boxes, and those work on them. Why a graphics card would produce a black screen is beyond me since gaming system are computers as well, look at a gamecube for example they use ATI graphics in them.

TheDisasterparty

04-18-06, 04:39 PM

I'm wondering if anyone can help me with this TV. About a month ago I bought the Samsung TX-R3079WH and it's been a royal pain ever since. While displaying in any mode it seemed that the picture needed to be horizontally shifted to the right. Thanks to these forums I was able to access the SM and fiddle with some settings to get the geometry straight. However, last night while I was playing my PS2 during a really "busy" moment on the screen I started to see a whole bunch of distortion. It's kinda hard to explain, it just seemed like the picture would try and short out for a second. Worried that I might have done something I shouldn't have in the SM, I reverted back all the settings I changed. However, the problem stayed, and is still there.

Not only that, but i'm starting to notice dark purple lines on the right and left side of the screen. I'm going to try unplugging it when I get home tonight and see if that fixes those, but for the above problem i'm totally clueless.

Can anyone help?

pfcspengler

04-19-06, 01:12 PM

justsc

04-19-06, 01:25 PM

i just got one of these (30" slimfit samsung) last night. Looks great, but goes off the screen a little bit on the left and bows slightly to the right.

I know I can fix the "off the screen" issue with the SM - I'm just wondering, can I hurt my set trying to do so? And what setting would I want to tinker with for the bowing issue? On PC CRTs, this is usually called "pincushion"

overall, I'm very happy with the set, and think I will probably keep it. I bought it after buying a 30" insignia, realizing it had horrid geo problems that I could not fix, and hauling it all the way back.

On the plus side, if I decide not to keep the slimfit, at least it fits in my car :-/ It was a display model so I have 30 days to return with no restock fee, I'm sort of waiting to see what BBY replaces this with (they told me they weren't going to be carrying this model anymore) - if I can get something a lot better in 28 days for an extra $100, I might, but in general I'm happy with the set. Easy for 2 people to move, enough space behind it for my 360 to stand.

Also, I realize DVI-to-HDMI cable would probably work, but am concerned that there might be risk to the set from this if the manual specificies not to do this? Can anyone confirm/deny? I did not go for the 4 year service plan on this - was that a mistake?
I don't believe you can harm your set by trying to resolve centering or pincushion effects in the SM. Just be sure to write down ALL default values of ALL settings you tweak or change. I've fixed pincushion problems on my Sony and the SM settings were something like PIN, VPIN, etc. Look for something like this on your Samsung.

I'm confused about the DVI-HDMI issue. Maybe someone else more knowledgeable can help on this one?

If you cannot resolve your issues relatively quickly, I recommend you return the set for an exchange or refund, especially since it was not new.

pfcspengler

04-19-06, 06:59 PM

If you cannot resolve your issues relatively quickly, I recommend you return the set for an exchange or refund, especially since it was not new.

Well, I have 30 days to return w/out restock fee (because it was a display model), and the out of box geo is bad enough that it (would be completely ignored by 99% of consumers) would be enough for me to base a return on.

I'm tempted to get the geo as good as I can, and then if i'm happy with it, just keep the set for 3 weeks, and see if there's anything alarmingly better I can return it for at that point, since I'll be moving then anyway.

I'm curious to hear more about the DVI issue.

justsc

04-20-06, 02:09 PM

Well, I have 30 days to return w/out restock fee (because it was a display model), and the out of box geo is bad enough that it (would be completely ignored by 99% of consumers) would be enough for me to base a return on.

I'm tempted to get the geo as good as I can, and then if i'm happy with it, just keep the set for 3 weeks, and see if there's anything alarmingly better I can return it for at that point, since I'll be moving then anyway.

I'm curious to hear more about the DVI issue.
Now that I think about it, it does make sense to keep the set for a bit and learn as much as you can before returning it. Heck, use this as a training aid if nothing else. Get to know the SM and what it can do so you'll be that much more ahead of the game with a new set, if needed.

Good Thinking! ;)

Haroludo

04-21-06, 12:31 AM

I just purchased a TX-R3080W from Circuit City (It was manufactured a month ago!) and I am very satisfied with it. :)

There is very little bowing and the convergence is only an issue when viewing the Avia test pattern. The issue I am truly having is on the left side. I am seeing a very slight offset (color gun convergence?) where the blue is slightly out of sync with the rest of the colors. Most easily seen with white bars on black background. Where in the Service manual may I go to adjust this? I remember the days of doing live color adjust with the back off of the TV, but I am hoping those dangerous days are gone. Thanks to all for the wealth of knowledge in these forums.

dsanbo

04-21-06, 07:13 AM

Vegeta

04-21-06, 07:29 PM

KoRn, could you view the test pattern below on your TV and tell me how far up you can see the black & white lines clearly seperate until they start to join/blur into each other?

Test Pattern: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KQ27RPCR

Try viewing the image at 720p and 1080i to see if you get different results. You could upload the image onto a USB stick and view it via your Xbox 360.

StellaGr

04-21-06, 08:26 PM

Hello everybody!

I’ve bought a Samsung slimfit 32’ four months ago and have sent it to service twice already, unfortunately not for geometry problems! The first time was mainly for the unbelievable noise it made when I turned it on and less for the high frequency noise made while in use. When I got it back, it made less noise at “start-up” but more noise while working… The second time the service did nothing to my tv-set saying the noise was within acceptable range. Any suggestions how I can reduce it?

Thanks in advance.

pfcspengler

04-23-06, 10:58 AM

i have geo problems with the slimfit 30" that I can't solve w/servivce menu. I made a 720i calibration image of boxes in boxes, I cannot get it to perfectly line up on the right hand side.

Having spent $700 on this, I'm inclined to take it back. The BBY I was at was pretty much sold out of these; the only other 2 they had had been returned, so, while I may take my xbox over there and check them out, I dunno.

Is there another display device in the 7-800$ range that might do me better?

enh, I'm going to swap it for a phillips 30PW9100D and hope for the best

l3ftonm3

04-23-06, 11:23 AM

i have geo problems with the slimfit 30" that I can't solve w/servivce menu. I made a 720i calibration image of boxes in boxes, I cannot get it to perfectly line up on the right hand side.

Having spent $700 on this, I'm inclined to take it back. The BBY I was at was pretty much sold out of these; the only other 2 they had had been returned, so, while I may take my xbox over there and check them out, I dunno.

Is there another display device in the 7-800$ range that might do me better?

check out the lg slimfit 30FS4D

or you could try to find a good deal on a sony crt, or a smaller lcd

pfcspengler

04-23-06, 11:36 AM

check out the lg slimfit 30FS4D

or you could try to find a good deal on a sony crt, or a smaller lcd

i was thinking of expirmentally trying a phillips as i edited in above; the slimfit is not really an issue for me, I want something that looks good. any reason to look for the LG slimfit over the phillips?

audiorecon

04-24-06, 05:18 PM

I am really tired of hitting the "source" and "Comp" buttons on my remote to switch inputs. I know I am lazy but does anybody know if the TV accepts a signal of some sort (IR or other type?) that will switch it to a specific input? I am trying to cut down on the number of remotes. This is all I use my TV remote for. My Pioneer receiver will do the rest with its universal remote feature. I was however thinking of buying a Harmony remote from Logitech.

I thought about going into the service menu and disabling certain inputs. But I really don't want to do that. I was wondering if perhaps a higher end Sammy TV remote has the ability to select a certain input. I could then hijack that command with like a harmony remote and be home free with selecting a macro and sending that command.

I have a 3079.

audiorecon

04-24-06, 05:20 PM

I tried calibrating my 3079 with an A/V calibration Disc. I have a Sammy HD-8412 DVD player. I am using DVI/HDMI on the TV. I can't get the brightness up enought to calibrate the TV. The Pluge is just all black to teh left of the test picture. Let me know if you guys would recommend a good A/V cal DVD. the one I have is dumb.

maltice

04-24-06, 07:23 PM

I don't even know where to begin with this TV. If you can bring it back, do it.

As for the guy who wants to run it as a PC monitor... you can't... looks like crap... Unless you can figure out how to set the timing so it will display perfectly, I am pretty sure, its next to impossible... (tried moninfo also, no good) I've tried everything.

After getting Samsung to replace it due to the annoying geometry issues, they sent me another one that can't draw a straight line. Now, am I being picky if I buy a TV and expect it to have straight lines on it?

Also, it seems that the edges of the screen stretch everything including images designed for 16:9. Even if you get close to the screen and look, the lines of the glass are further apart as well... This is possibly the worst deigned television in the history of televisions. (although I am sure someone will reply with a worse one).

After recieving my new horrible TV, I complained to Samsung enough and they finally agreed to refund me the entire price of the TV. So if you complain enough because you can't bring it back to the store, eventually Samsung will give in and give you your money back (although they do prorate it based on how long you've had it, not to mention it took 5 months to get the refund)

My only advice to anyone and everyone is get rid of this TV while you still can. Even the guy who came to replace my TV said that everyone has this problem with the TV and he told me to just pay the extra cash and get the SONY XBR 34" CRT (if I wanted a CRT), and the technician who came out to replace boards in the TV said that this is one of the worst models he ever encountered.

I feel bad for everyone who has been reading this forum with hopes that they can figure out their problems (since I did the same thing for a while). Get rid of it if you can!

-Maltice

mightyzeebee

04-24-06, 08:15 PM

Hi
I am new to this site but it has helped me alot. i bought my 30" slimfit 3 months ago but about a month ago when am watching it the picture just goes off and it says no single i turn it off for a while then it comes back on and then shuts off again after a while. Can anybody please help me.

amtalx

04-24-06, 09:30 PM

Ive noticed that the audio out on the 3080W doesnt apply for the component inputs. Is there any place in the SM or anywhere else where i can change this?

vincent_momo

04-24-06, 11:46 PM

KoRn

04-25-06, 04:35 AM

Some people do get good ones. Its just the luck of the draw unfortunately. On a side note mine is fine and been trouble free now for 4months knock on wood.

I don't even know where to begin with this TV. If you can bring it back, do it.

As for the guy who wants to run it as a PC monitor... you can't... looks like crap... Unless you can figure out how to set the timing so it will display perfectly, I am pretty sure, its next to impossible... (tried moninfo also, no good) I've tried everything.

After getting Samsung to replace it due to the annoying geometry issues, they sent me another one that can't draw a straight line. Now, am I being picky if I buy a TV and expect it to have straight lines on it?

Also, it seems that the edges of the screen stretch everything including images designed for 16:9. Even if you get close to the screen and look, the lines of the glass are further apart as well... This is possibly the worst deigned television in the history of televisions. (although I am sure someone will reply with a worse one).

After recieving my new horrible TV, I complained to Samsung enough and they finally agreed to refund me the entire price of the TV. So if you complain enough because you can't bring it back to the store, eventually Samsung will give in and give you your money back (although they do prorate it based on how long you've had it, not to mention it took 5 months to get the refund)

My only advice to anyone and everyone is get rid of this TV while you still can. Even the guy who came to replace my TV said that everyone has this problem with the TV and he told me to just pay the extra cash and get the SONY XBR 34" CRT (if I wanted a CRT), and the technician who came out to replace boards in the TV said that this is one of the worst models he ever encountered.

I feel bad for everyone who has been reading this forum with hopes that they can figure out their problems (since I did the same thing for a while). Get rid of it if you can!

-Maltice

amtalx

04-26-06, 06:33 PM

Does anyone know how to disable inputs from the service menu? I dont feel like cycling through all of them and ive got a video switcher so i only use a few inputs anyway.

Haroludo

04-26-06, 09:03 PM

Is there a way to align the color guns? On the left side of my screen (3080WH) can notice a "blue shift" I just want to nudge it a bit.

lyric706

04-26-06, 11:09 PM

After nearly six months of wrangling with CC and Samsung warranties, I FINALLY got a replacement for my 3079 — a 3082 model from CC. The geometry issues are still there, although not nearly as bad as the 3079. When there are vertical lines on the screen, I can see a little warping, but I haven't done any tweaking yet (I heard you're supposed to let tubes get some hours on them). And this may sound strange, and I may just be excited to be rid of my plagued 3079, but the picture seems a bit more vibrant and clearer than the 3079.

bladeage

04-27-06, 01:14 AM

hi guys, hows everyone doing. I got a bit of a problem with my 30 inch samsung. I got it for Christmas and ever since the first day i got it, there has been this weird green/red/blue area in the top right hand corner. It hasnt gone away, not even a little bit. it actually got worse, cuz now when the screen is all black, theres like a rainbow effect down the right side, starting from that area where the green color shows usually. Other than that the tv has worked fine. So is there something i could do to fix that?

I'm only asking cuz i havent seen anyone else with a similar problem, so maybe theres something i can do to get it cleared up. I also notice that after a while that i have it on, there will be green area much bigger than the usual one. But it goes away after i have it off for a while. It gets really annoying especially when gaming.

Any advice?

DapperDano

04-27-06, 05:57 AM

I have that rainbow thing also, and it's really annoying. It only happens when I'm watching certain channels and sometimes when I use my PS2.

I'm also trying to hook up speakers to my TV, but the fact that the sound from component/HDMI inputs does not go through the sound out from the TV is irritating as well.

If anyone has solutions to either of these issues it would be greatly appreciated.

villa

04-27-06, 10:09 AM

the rainbow problem is caused by overscan (at least on my tv was) just adjust it on the SM and you would rid of it

audiorecon

04-27-06, 11:06 AM

bladeage

04-27-06, 01:14 PM

the rainbow problem is caused by overscan (at least on my tv was) just adjust it on the SM and you would rid of it

i dont see the "overscan" field. which is it. also it seems strange that after i bring up the service menu, i mess with it then leave everything how it was before then i turn it off. once it comes back up, that area is hardly there, its almost gone, then gradually it comes back.

villa

04-27-06, 02:29 PM

it's under the deflection menu, the 4 first values handle the overscan

justsc

04-27-06, 03:31 PM

I have a 3079 and a sammy hd841 with the firmware downgrade to play divX. I am having a real challenge calibrating this guy. I have used AVIA and another AV cal DVD. The problem I have is that the AVIA dvd has me set my contrast kinda low to avoid blooming. THen I move on to black level and even if I adjust the BL to the extremes, I cannot see the sliding bars that were displayed in the demo apriori the test pattern. So I went back to contrast and adjusted that to try and help but it does not.

So what is is the deal? I thought it might be my DVD player. It has a black level setting in the menu but I cannot switch it away from "OFF".

I used to have a Phillips DVD player and I had the same problem with it as well. BTW the HD841 is useing HDMI outs and my Phillips was component.

One other thing is that it does not seem like my sharpness control does anything on teh test pattern.
About Contrast and Brightness. When calibrating for Contrast using Avia, are you really able to get the upper "box" to bloom? It's not unusual with today's sets to be unable to get the Pluge pattern to bloom, regardless of how high Contrast is set. It's also not unusual to be unable to set Brightness at max and still not see the sliding bars. Many of today's sets have been set-up so that the user cannot adjust these settings too high, and possibly incur burn-in (contrast). On my 34" Sony, I can set Contrast at max and still not be able to make the pattern truly bloom. I can also set Brightness at max and not push the pattern too far. I was left, essentially, to decide what level looked best and leave it at that.

A couple of hints - when starting out (to adjust Contrast) try setting Brightness at 50% before adjusting Contrast. This may help you to see when the pattern blooms. If that doesn't work, set Brightness even lower, maybe to 25% before adjusting Contrast. White level and Black level are interdependent, but not totally dependent on one another. You won't get a "false" Contrast setting by lowering Brightness before adjusting Contrast. Once you have a good level for Contrast, you may have to back it off a bit before adjusting Brightness, all for the same reason. When you have both set reasonably well, then put them both at the new settings and see what you think. You may have to go back and forth a number of times before getting it to be acceptable.

Also, don't worry if you end-up with Contrast set higher than you would think is safe. These sets can handle Contrast much better than older tvs. But do get about 100 hours of viewing in before doing any serious calibrating. In the meantime, just avoid the Dynamic picture setting and keep Contrast below 70% - all to avoid any possibility of burn-in, which the set is more susceptible to in the beginning.

When you think the set is finally calibrated properly you need to give yourself time to get used to it. A properly calibrated set will appear darker, sometimes much darker than what you would expect. We are accustomed to watching NTSC at very contrasty levels. HD delivers its best fidelity at reduced levels of contrast - the depth and righness of colors and detail are brought out best at levels lower than what we were used to with NTSC.

Sharpness - It might seem strange, but some manufacturers of HD sets actually make the user adjustment of no use. I've seen this on my older Samsung set, where no matter what I set it at, the test pattern remained the same. Adjusting for Sharpness, as well as SVM, can only be done right in the SM of these sets.

audiorecon

04-27-06, 06:40 PM

About Contrast and Brightness. When calibrating for Contrast using Avia, are you really able to get the upper "box" to bloom? It's not unusual with today's sets to be unable to get the Pluge pattern to bloom, regardless of how high Contrast is set. It's also not unusual to be unable to set Brightness at max and still not see the sliding bars. Many of today's sets have been set-up so that the user cannot adjust these settings too high, and possibly incur burn-in (contrast). On my 34" Sony, I can set Contrast at max and still not be able to make the pattern truly bloom. I can also set Brightness at max and not push the pattern too far. I was left, essentially, to decide what level looked best and leave it at that.

A couple of hints - when starting out (to adjust Contrast) try setting Brightness at 50% before adjusting Contrast. This may help you to see when the pattern blooms. If that doesn't work, set Brightness even lower, maybe to 25% before adjusting Contrast. White level and Black level are interdependent, but not totally dependent on one another. You won't get a "false" Contrast setting by lowering Brightness before adjusting Contrast. Once you have a good level for Contrast, you may have to back it off a bit before adjusting Brightness, all for the same reason. When you have both set reasonably well, then put them both at the new settings and see what you think. You may have to go back and forth a number of times before getting it to be acceptable.

Also, don't worry if you end-up with Contrast set higher than you would think is safe. These sets can handle Contrast much better than older tvs. But do get about 100 hours of viewing in before doing any serious calibrating. In the meantime, just avoid the Dynamic picture setting and keep Contrast below 70% - all to avoid any possibility of burn-in, which the set is more susceptible to in the beginning.

When you think the set is finally calibrated properly you need to give yourself time to get used to it. A properly calibrated set will appear darker, sometimes much darker than what you would expect. We are accustomed to watching NTSC at very contrasty levels. HD delivers its best fidelity at reduced levels of contrast - the depth and righness of colors and detail are brought out best at levels lower than what we were used to with NTSC.

Sharpness - It might seem strange, but some manufacturers of HD sets actually make the user adjustment of no use. I've seen this on my older Samsung set, where no matter what I set it at, the test pattern remained the same. Adjusting for Sharpness, as well as SVM, can only be done right in the SM of these sets.

Well I can get the top white box to bloom. It is just that I can never get teh set to see the sliding bars. That is what urks me. Anybody else have any thoughts? I just cannot believe that the set would have the controls this "governed"

lobowolf2000

04-27-06, 06:40 PM

I have also had issues with my SlimFit 30" HDTV. I purchased it at Best Buy at the beginning of February, and soon noticed some imperfections in the picture. (I should have returned it to Best Buy within the 30 days and bought something else). However, not wanting to admit that I had been sold the lemon, I waited, but after a month of watching the set it drove me insane and I called warranty service.

The set has deflection and geometry issues. Stock tickers and horizontal lines would droop down to the right, and viewing the set with a test pattern, there were significant distortions in the picture. In letterbox, the top edge swooped down and went back up again.

The repair tech just finished working on the set, and apparently Samsung issued a Technical Service Bulletin on this issue and came out with a revised deflection board which the tech installed. Although there are still some imperfections in the picture, I will admit that it's considerably better than it was and probably tolerable. My horizontal lines don't drift off to the left, and in general, geometry has been much improved to the point where the picture is decent. It still , however, is not as good as I think it should be, but at least I think I can live with it.

The tech also said that this was the last year for CRT sets, so if you want one, go out and get one before they are gone (although frankly, I'd steer clear of the SlmFit if I had to do it again).

He did give me the code to access the service menu (which I notice is posted here already), but I figure I'll run it for awhile before I adjust anything.

Nice design, but the picture leaves a lot to be desired.

Maybe I WON'T install the lightning protector on my aerial.

KoRn

04-27-06, 07:06 PM

justsc

04-28-06, 11:42 AM

Ive only looked around in the service menu. My tv is fine accept for overscan. Im thinking about going in there and trying to fix it. But I dont want to mess anything up. Not saying I believe you on this but can someone also confirm this before I go in there and make adjustments? Also by making adjustments for the overscan is this going to give me trouble with something else? If it does im not touching it because my tv is fine minus the overscan.
There's no reason to doubt the location of the settings being discussed. I wouldn't worry about messing anything up. From your posts it's clear that you approach things logically and if you take the normal precautions in the SM, you'll be fine.

The most important thing to remember is to write down all values for the settings you play with or actually adjust. This way you can always return the set to its default settings whenever you wish to do so. The folks that mess up their tvs are the ones that take a cavalier approach and fail to record the original settings.

Like you, I don't take the SM lightly. And I need to have a darn good reason before I even enter the SM. I kinda treat it like a ticking time bomb. Be careful, treat it with respect, and all will be well.

Best of Luck! ;)

KoRn

04-28-06, 07:34 PM

justsc

04-29-06, 02:49 PM

I went in there and made adjustments. I used my digital cam and took pictures of all of my original values. :) I had so much overscan it was insane! However. I need a good picture to go by. Specifically in jpg format for my 360. I used graw and was going by the hud. Before I could barely see it. Now its completely visible. But it still isnt tweaked right and I need a specific picture that corrects overscan directly. Anyone have one? Would really appreciate it!
Of course, the usual answer it go get a copy of Avia or DVE and you'll have all the test images/patterns you need.

In lieu of this, these disks can be rented from places like Blockbuster, and sometimes they're available from the Public Library as well. Sometimes previous renters steal the color filters, but you'll still have the test patterns for adjusting overscan. Call the rental store ahead of going to make sure they have a copy.

Best of Luck! ;)

Vegeta

04-30-06, 08:07 PM

Just how close to the screen do you have to be to see the lines that make up the picture on a Slimfit?

Could you get away with viewing from 5ft away and not seeing the line structure?

justsc

05-01-06, 12:53 PM

Just how close to the screen do you have to be to see the lines that make up the picture on a Slimfit?

Could you get away with viewing from 5ft away and not seeing the line structure?
Probably.

With my Sony 34" HD set I can sit at 4.5' away and not see the lines. And my Sony set is not the one with the super fine pitch tube. If memory serves, the Samsung crts have a finer pixel dot pitch than my Sony, so I believe you could sit as close as 5' and not see or be bothered by scanlines.

audiorecon

05-01-06, 05:24 PM

I have gone throught eh effort to name all my analog channels. If I rescan my channels will I lose all that data?

audiorecon

05-01-06, 05:46 PM

So does the 3079 have a QAM tuner or not?

justsc

05-01-06, 05:50 PM

I have gone throught eh effort to name all my analog channels. If I rescan my channels will I lose all that data?
That's a really good question. Please let us know the answer after you find out. :p

justsc

05-01-06, 05:51 PM

So does the 3079 have a QAM tuner or not?
There is no concrete evidence that it has a QAM tuner. As vague as that sounds, that's the best answer anyone can offer up to this point.

zrdb

05-01-06, 06:40 PM

I just picked up a TXS2782HX and just out of the box and hooked up to a Sony upscaleing dvd player with an hdmi cable I really like the color and haven't noticed any vertical line distortion, this is with out any caliberation at all. This is a brand new model.

Vegeta

05-01-06, 08:48 PM

Probably.

With my Sony 34" HD set I can sit at 4.5' away and not see the lines. And my Sony set is not the one with the super fine pitch tube. If memory serves, the Samsung crts have a finer pixel dot pitch than my Sony, so I believe you could sit as close as 5' and not see or be bothered by scanlines.

Have you hooked up a PC to your 34" Sony via HDMI or Component?

Is the picture clear enough on the desktop and for web browsing etc at 720p or 1080i?

audiorecon

05-01-06, 09:13 PM

Well the manually entered channels names get deleted if you do a auto program.

audiorecon

05-01-06, 09:14 PM

There is no concrete evidence that it has a QAM tuner. As vague as that sounds, that's the best answer anyone can offer up to this point.

Can you give some more detail. I am a broadcast engineer so perhaps I can shed some light on the issue. I would like to know - is there a certian firmware or something that makes some sets enable QAM? Is there a particualar model? Again I have the 3079.

zrdb

05-01-06, 10:13 PM

There is no concrete evidence that it has a QAM tuner. As vague as that sounds, that's the best answer anyone can offer up to this point.I've done some research and it seems that (at least my model) does have a qam capable atsc tuner (seems that atsc and qam go hand in hand according to my research). I won't go into the technical aspects of qam (you can google for that).

zrdb

05-01-06, 10:17 PM

audiorecon

05-02-06, 09:25 AM

I've done some research and it seems that (at least my model) does have a qam capable atsc tuner (seems that atsc and qam go hand in hand according to my research). I won't go into the technical aspects of qam (you can google for that).

So what model do you have? Have you done the F/W upgrade? Can you provide the version? Details....please

KoRn

05-02-06, 10:22 AM

There selling well. But it doesnt help the fact probably 1 in every 3 are returned. Possibly even 2 out of 3 even.

The tech who told you that this is the last year for crt sets must be smokeing some wacky weed. Samsung's hdtv slimfit tvs are selling very well-they aren't gonna disappear for at least a couple of years.

justsc

05-02-06, 11:57 AM

Have you hooked up a PC to your 34" Sony via HDMI or Component?

Is the picture clear enough on the desktop and for web browsing etc at 720p or 1080i?
Yes. I hooked up my Apple 17" laptop with a DVI-HDMI cable. I was pleasantly surprised to see that my laptop fully recognized my tv calling it a Sony hd set and showed its native resolution (1920x1080) in the menu. Unfortunately, the picture quality was not good - not for surfing the web and doing email. I tried sending 1080i, 720p and 480p. 480p gave the best PQ but the window was way too small and the PQ was still unacceptable. I was pretty disappointed as I had hoped to use my tv as a monitor.

justsc

05-02-06, 12:14 PM

Can you give some more detail. I am a broadcast engineer so perhaps I can shed some light on the issue. I would like to know - is there a certian firmware or something that makes some sets enable QAM? Is there a particualar model? Again I have the 3079.
As you obviously suspected, there's much more to the story than "no, it doesn't have a QAM tuner." I didn't go into it because I have worked this issue tirelessly with no real progress.

Samsung's earlier HD models included QAM tuners (if they had an ATSC tuner). This was especially true for the TX-P model series. Things got very strange with the advent of the TX-R series sets. The first problem was with their online data sheets. What was written-up in the data sheets wasn't always accurate (e.g. they indicated that 720p was a "display format" along with 1080i and 480p - it does not display 720p). This inaccuracy alone caused no end of arguments on a number of online forums. I have/had a very good internal contact at Samsung, who clarified the situation saying that these sets do like all other consumer hd crt sets and converts incoming 720p to 1080i.

Then came the QAM tuner issue. Folks familiar with Samsung's earlier sets assumed the newer sets had QAM tuners. But no one could say with certainty that this was the case, even owners. I tried a number of times to communicate with Samsung and was ultimately told that the sets with ATSC tuners did have QAM tuners. BUT, there was a problem, which required a firmware upload to make the tuner function properly. Then we learned that one AVS member had a tech come to his home to perform the firmware upgrade only to learn that it hosed his set. Luckily they were able to return the set to the previous version of firmware and he got his set back - minus QAM. Then my Samsung contact told me that there was indeed a problem with the firmware code and that Samsung "pulled-back the upgrade. As far as I know the status is unchanged. I have yet to hear a Samsung owner confidently state that QAM is working for them.

That's the long story. Maybe with your background you could enjoy more progress with Samsung. Many folks here would be grateful for concrete info on this one way or the other, especially if a fix is in the works.

Best of Luck! ;)

justsc

05-02-06, 12:16 PM

I've done some research and it seems that (at least my model) does have a qam capable atsc tuner (seems that atsc and qam go hand in hand according to my research). I won't go into the technical aspects of qam (you can google for that).
I'm not sure this is an absolute rule of thumb, but it does seem true for most manufacturers (that ATSC and QAM tuners go together).

audiorecon

05-02-06, 01:01 PM

justsc

05-02-06, 02:06 PM

Thank you for the story. I gues I am dying to know what model(s) the F/W was intended for? What model was flashed? And By the way, what model do you have? I would like to start to pool our knowledge. What are some other sites I can dig through.

Other posters:
Please post your model and brief history.

With a little work perhaps we can get to the bottom of this.
I do not recall the exact model number. The discussion was here at AVS, and possibly in this thread. It was a pre-SlimFit TX-R series 30" widescreen set.

I have an older 27" 4:3 set, the TX-N2745FP. This is an actual ED monitor, with a native res of 480p. There's a setting in the SM that enables 1080i input and display. It was the most inexpensive "HD" set of its time. It shared the main system board with the TX-N3098WHF and others of its timeframe.

I got my start at the Home theater Spot where I learned almost everything I know about Samsung sets. There's a manufacturer's area there that includes Samsung and I believe Akai is included along with it. You have to go back to 2004-2005 to get at the TX-N - TX-P series sets.

This is a good thing you are trying to pull together. I'll help in any way I can. ;)

bryguy

05-03-06, 05:37 PM

Last Thursday my 12 yr old Zenith blew and I had to replace it ASAP. I was originally looking at the 30" SlimFit but BB didn't have it in stock so I opted for the 27" TX-S2782H 4:3 instead. Does anyone know of any real problems with this one? I just received my Avia disc today so I will play with it later this weekend. So far, I still have three weeks to return it if problems do arise. As for bowing (geometry) I think I see it when viewing at an angle of about 70 degrees or greater off center but I don't see anything when viewing on center. I asked my wife if she sees it and she said no. Is this a problem with the 4:3's? I'm wondering if this has to do with the parameters of a glass flat screen compared to a convex one (maybe the convex fixes a concave picture due to the bowed glass).

Another question I have has to deal with over the air HD (this is the first time I've had HD). When viewing OTA HD the view has the dark bars on the sides (left and right). If I go into the screen size menu and put it to 16:9 I then get the bars on top, bottom and on both sides. Basically, the picture is within a perfect square surrounded by bars on all sides of a couple of inches. Is this supposed to be like this? Is 720p suppose to have side bars on a 4:3? At 1080i this is not a problem, just at 720p.

I am running everything (Dish Network) through a Yami 1400 with component video going to the TV. The sound is being pushed through B&W 604's and an LCR600. The TV is mostly used for general watching and movies. Just a little gaming.

I am looking into major problems within the near future with this set? I didn't have time to check into the different brands since this was an immediate necessity.

Thanks

Bryguy

justsc

05-03-06, 06:15 PM

Last Thursday my 12 yr old Zenith blew and I had to replace it ASAP. I was originally looking at the 30" SlimFit but BB didn't have it in stock so I opted for the 27" TX-S2782H 4:3 instead. Does anyone know of any real problems with this one? I just received my Avia disc today so I will play with it later this weekend. So far, I still have three weeks to return it if problems do arise. As for bowing (geometry) I think I see it when viewing at an angle of about 70 degrees or greater off center but I don't see anything when viewing on center. I asked my wife if she sees it and she said no. Is this a problem with the 4:3's? I'm wondering if this has to do with the parameters of a glass flat screen compared to a convex one (maybe the convex fixes a concave picture due to the bowed glass).
The bowing has everything to do with flat screens versus concave screens. I have a 27" Samsung set and it shows no bowing compared to the 30" widescreen sets.

Another question I have has to deal with over the air HD (this is the first time I've had HD). When viewing OTA HD the view has the dark bars on the sides (left and right). If I go into the screen size menu and put it to 16:9 I then get the bars on top, bottom and on both sides. Basically, the picture is within a perfect square surrounded by bars on all sides of a couple of inches. Is this supposed to be like this? Is 720p suppose to have side bars on a 4:3? At 1080i this is not a problem, just at 720p.
All HD broadcasts are widescreen 16:9 and will have letterboxing on a 4:3 set. Now, if a channel that broadcasts HD material chooses to broadcast non-HD material, then you'll see the bars on all four sides. This is essentially 4:3 material that has been upscaled to an HD format and broadcast in "HD." Since it was originally 4:3 it already has the sidebars, and since it's been scaled and rebroadcast in HD format it now also has the top and bottom bars. Strange, isn't it?

bryguy

05-03-06, 08:10 PM

THANK YOU justsc!

That is what I figured with the HD but wasn't sure since it is new to me. I've done a lot of reading about it and reading and doing it are two completely different stories. Just think, the TV I just trashed last week wasn't even digital and now I'm watching some HD. Isn't life grand.

As for the lenses, my other big hobby is astronomy so I know all about glass and the paths of light. I just wanted to make sure it is really an optics thing and not a technology thing.

Yes, it is all strange and once you think you figured it out they throw in a new twist.

Bryguy

ewoklake

05-04-06, 07:25 PM

staying on this topic of the TX-S2782H, I need to route the Audio out of the tv through the rca cables to my mackie mixer that feeds my studio monitors. when I plug in the rcas to my mixer the audio level is extremely low(even with the volume of the TV high) and there is a buzz in the signal. Is this a cable thing? because I am using a monster rca cable in this senario, or is an output thing on the set that I have control over? how do you get to the infamous service menu?

Sorry so many questions...

audiorecon

05-04-06, 07:31 PM

Usually there is a button on mackies that switch the input signal. Try hitting that button to see if that lears it up. But no it is probably not a cable issue and the TV out is good. Also does your mixer have fiber audio in? Use that if you can.

ewoklake

05-04-06, 07:39 PM

thanks. I would love if I had digital in to the mixer, but it is their "big knob" model and I really just want it so I can route the downmixed stereo from the dvd player to my mackie 824 monitors in my edit suite, while still utilizing the hdmi input on the tv. Whats really weird is that the audio that does make it through the mixer is distorted, but at an extremely low level, any thoughts?

jojogabosh

05-05-06, 04:06 AM

I have 3 problems I need help on. 1) I notice a small white vertical line in middle of screen. Only noticeable when screen is all one color (sky, grass, ocean). 2)When I was in the video adjust 1 menu I might have changed the original R-cutoff from 31 to 30. Does anyone know what this setting is for and will it cause any problems if it is off by one number? 3)Should custom changes only be done in the custom mode? I want different settings for different input. I can make this changes in different modes or am I missing something. It seems like a lot of posts say make changes only in custom mode.

Nazrix

05-05-06, 06:50 AM

So today I bought this Samsung SlimFit HDTV TX-S2782H, and I can say it looks nice and I enjoy the complex options int he menu for personalization, but the TV is a piece of crap.

Problems:

- Component Video connection gives me WAVY lines flowing across the screen like a river of multicolored distortion, it looks awful. When I'm watching a brand new DVD, it looks like my TV is trying to catch an airwave signal in the 1950's or something. I tested my component cables and dvd player on another cheaper tv and no problem, the problem is constant, not just when viewing dvd menu's, satellite (through the dvd), or watching a dvd, it's all the time. Moving the tv around, shielding the wires, and trying both component ports didn't help. What the hell? Bad wiring in the TV?

-Closed Caption cannot be enabled when using component video as a Source to view standard DVD's, Recorded DVD's of TV programs with closed caption (the data is on the disc other tv's reveal it and so does windows media player when connected via component cable.) I also connect my satellite box to my TV through S-video into my DVD Recorder and forward it with Components to the tv, and the no closed caption there either.
--- Someone tell me why these morons allow ONLY: S-video, RCA, "TV" (RF?), and others inputs to accept/decode closed caption information but not close captioning sent via component cables? My old 100$ TV could read closed caption from my dvd player on component connection, and from the satellite. Is it something to do with the forcing of a signal to 480p? That shouldn't even be a problem because my DVD player already upconverts the 480i from my satellite box to 480p passing along the data in a native resolution for the TV. This should be fixed via their USB cable connection with internet downloads, just like a computer, but of course it won't, I wonder if they even use that for anything relevant.

----- I'm not deaf but I enjoy to listen to music while watching the news or other programs and listen to it at a low volume to avoid disturbing others, now I can't watch my DVD's I burned from tv with captioning unless I use S-video, which is a lame workaround and doesn't help REAL Commercial dvd's. (I dislike the text on some subtitles and prefer my tv to decode it)

-The geometry on this is hideous, when I bring up Dish Network's Program Guide "browser" the lines outlining the programs/times look like someone took a bat to them leaving them bent out of shape.

-The remote handles terribly, I keep picking the damn thing up backwards, and that stupid blinking light on the tv annoys me, how come it never turns off, even when the TV is off the red light stays on, that defeats the purpose of a power/remote sensor indicator in my opinion and bothers me at night?

- When I hit the power button sometimes the stupid tv doesn't even come on the blinking light just flashes.

-A huge red blob appeared on the bottom left corner and large yellow blob on the top right corner, when I rotate the tv 6 inches the blob disappears, this is stupid but seems to be a problem, unplugging and replugging fixed it... for now.

-I have a wood cabinet I have it in and I fear when I lift it up slightly over the rim it's going to crack the bottom stand portion because it's so thin in some area.

---- This is all I found wrong in the first 6 hours of owning this trash, I thought I just got a lemon or that I loaded/unloaded too roughly, I'm VERY disappointed this TV cost 568$ on sale at best buy, which was 200$ more than their 27" house brand "Insignia" HDTV Set, I figured for 200$ i'd get something nice and reliable, but this is not that. I'm glad to see others are having the same problems as me so that I can avoid going back and getting the same piece of garbage, lugging it home, screaming, packaging it back up and bringing it right back, saves me a trip.

Here's what Samsung had going for their promising TV, before they ruined it by releasing this entire substandard line of televisions.
--------- Pros -----------

-Looks great, with the black finish and sleek appearance.
-Picture is nice enough (or it was in the store).
-The multitude of personal features in the menu made me happy, my dad's 50" Panasonic Consumer reports #1 rated HDTV he got last month has half the options I have.
-The Equalizer and sound profiles are awesome.
-The speakers on this are more than appropriate, 10W on each speaker is much better than the crap they stick on tv's now that's 4W and such.
-It's compact
-Not that heavy compared to other crt's I lifed around my house today of the same size.
-Lots of inputs are a plus, lack of outputs besides RCA is a big con, would have liked svideo out atleast.
-All around this COULD be a great TV, but it's not.

---
I will be returning this to best buy today and find something else to spend my store credit that I bought this with on (I hate best buy now).

I'd ask for any solutions to these problems (some already were on here, or suggestions.) the only thing I wonder is about the close caption problem, that makes no sense.

Anyone recommend a similar priced/sized unit? or are they all crap?

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anthwib

05-05-06, 07:38 AM

Hi all....OK, I bought this TV last week.

I am in Australia, and the model available here is 32" WS32Z30H. It doesn't have an inbuilt HD Tuner, therefore have it connected to a HD Set Top Box.

What can i say? I like everything about this TV, which currently gives better results than most Plasma/LCDs i have seen.

I have read all of the posts and cannot believe you have so many problems with this TV in the United States.

The PQ is excellent in all modes, and it doesn't suffer from the calbration/alignment problems you mention. It does have a very minor aligment imperfection at the bottom right corner that bends outwards very slightly, but this doesn't bother me at all, and it is certainly no worse than all other CRTs i have owned.

On the downside it will not do 1080i (it accepts it) but down converts it to 576p, which is still considered to be High Definition, as opposed to 576i (SD).

I don't know how Digital Television is transmitted where you are, but over here in Australia all OTA transmissions are by terrestrial (WS 16.9). Only Pay TV is via Cable and Satellite.

How Technology is developing at the moment, CRT is still hard to beat, and with the emergence of SED, i would not be outlaying any money on an LCD and their inherent problems.

So, all in all, very happy with my Samsung SlimFit which has only been here for a couple of months..the LG has been around slightly longer, but did not appeal to me.

I havn't heard any real negative feedback at the moment, but needless to say, people here are catching the drifts of your negative feedbacks, which i think is having some effect on sales of this TV.

Anyway, i hope you all get your problems sorted out one way or another..sorry to hear of your problems. The Samsung SlimFit has all the potential to be an awesome display

Best Wishes

Tony