The Official Samsung SlimFit HDTV Thread... [Text View] - Page 6

Ianscloset

06-14-06, 10:49 PM

KueMan10

06-15-06, 03:35 AM

Hey everyone... well I got my 3080 two days ago and I just finally got around to going back on the net again because I was quite busy with work and some good 'ol 360 action. And damn, does it look good! I am totally loving the set, and CoD2 looks pretty ****ing sweet (I've only downloaded the demo though, I'm going to get the actual game this week).

Anyways, I am extremely happy with the set so far, however there is some slight fading in picture towards the left side of the screen (is this what "bowing" is?). Anyways, I ordered the Avia disk, as I have seen JustSC recommend it time and time agin. Once I calibrate the set using the dvd will my fading issues be solved? Or is it a permanent problem with the set that can't be fixed? BTW, I only see it sometimes, it's weird. Well thanks for the help! Any feedback would be appreciated!

EDIT: also.. I think the picture looks better when the contrast is in the 60's. Why, justsc, should I keep it lower than that? thanks...

Matrix_Prime

06-15-06, 06:01 AM

I had a slimfit and I adjusted for this (and it didn't do a damn bit of good). Get into the service menu and open the deflection part of it and then WRITE DOWN ALL OF THE INITIAL SETTINGS FIRST-you'll notice all kinds of items like right corner, etc-don'be afraid to mess around with them-it's really a matter of trial and error for the most part, lots of the time it just requires a few klicks one way or the other, if you're lucky you might get a very noticeable improvement, after 2 hours of adjusting I only got about a 3% improvement-I took it back and got another hd crt tv.

Thanks. I actually got mine to look rather good, especially after I figured out what each setting was doing. The main problem my TV had were the corners flaring out, which was easily adjustable. The sides of the 4:3 picture aren't perfectly straight, they still have a slight amount of wave to them, but it is MUCH better than it was when I opened the box and turned it on.

zrdb

06-15-06, 09:35 AM

Glad to help.

Blackbelt Jones

06-15-06, 09:43 AM

It all has to do with the Genesis/Faroudja chipset on the Oppo's DVI daughtercard, and its greatest strength is in its de-interlacing magic. So, by setting the Oppo to 720p I get all the magic. Even though my 1080i set will scale and re-interlace this signal, the "magic" is still there and the PQ is stunning.
Cheers! ;)

Well, I gave it a whirl last night and your suggestion was dead on... using the Faroudja @ 720p on my HD960 and having the 82 upconvert to 1080i gave the best picture, with out a doubt... I saw the "magic"!!!

Now I am set to calibrate the 82, and I have a question as it pretains to the Faroudja... I know the Faroudja chip allows certain HDMI video settings. However, I want to send the cleanest, least processed signal possible (other than the upconverting, of course) to the 82. I saw that the Faroudja offered an "Edge Enhancement" (values 1-5), a "Sharpness" (values 1-5) and a Black (values on and off), among others . Would you suggest dropping those values down to "1" before calibrating the 82 via Avia or VE?

Thank you for your help!

Blackbelt Jones

06-15-06, 01:25 PM

then what I did so that I dont notice any little details was I extended the screen 1 pixel too far on every edge (every edge is 1 pixel off the screen) it makes for a crisp, sharp edge, and I dont think im going to be missing those pixels!

This sounds like a great idea. By "extending the screen 1 pixel too far on every edge" did you expand the "V Amp" and the "H EH"?

justsc

06-15-06, 01:57 PM

Well, I gave it a whirl last night and your suggestion was dead on... using the Faroudja @ 720p on my HD960 and having the 82 upconvert to 1080i gave the best picture, with out a doubt... I saw the "magic"!!!

Now I am set to calibrate the 82, and I have a question as it pretains to the Faroudja... I know the Faroudja chip allows certain HDMI video settings. However, I want to send the cleanest, least processed signal possible (other than the upconverting, of course) to the 82. I saw that the Faroudja offered an "Edge Enhancement" (values 1-5), a "Sharpness" (values 1-5) and a Black (values on and off), among others . Would you suggest dropping those values down to "1" before calibrating the 82 via Avia or VE?

Thank you for your help!
Great news about the picture quality. Isn't it fantastic?

It's best to calibrate the tv rather than the player. I would start out by leaving the player's settings as you found them. I would definitely avoid adding any sharpness or edge enhancement - they're essentially the same thing. Your tv will add more than enough edge enhancement as it is. Leave the Black level settings on the player alone also. You should be able to get satisfactory blacks when using Avia to calibrate the tv. Remember, it's the tv you're calibrating. The dvd is the tool with which to do it. After getting the tv picture quality the way you like it, then mess with the player's settings if you feel you really need to do so. In that case I'd only be looking to the player to help with black level.

Good Luck! ;)

pinha_man

06-15-06, 02:02 PM

justsc

06-15-06, 02:04 PM

...Anyways, I am extremely happy with the set so far, however there is some slight fading in picture towards the left side of the screen (is this what "bowing" is?). Anyways, I ordered the Avia disk, as I have seen JustSC recommend it time and time agin. Once I calibrate the set using the dvd will my fading issues be solved? Or is it a permanent problem with the set that can't be fixed? BTW, I only see it sometimes, it's weird. Well thanks for the help! Any feedback would be appreciated!

EDIT: also.. I think the picture looks better when the contrast is in the 60's. Why, justsc, should I keep it lower than that? thanks...
It's always good to hear that folks are happy with their purchase. It's kinda sad when I read bad reports because people get excited about a new HD set and the let down has got to be very difficult.

Your description of fading is a bit difficult to visualize. Are you referring to a geometry problem - lines not straight? Is the picture washing out kimd of like a washed out photo? If you could expand on your description is would be helpful. If you have a picture that'd be even better.

Avia can make a major difference. But I can't say for sure in this case until I understand the problem better. ;)

Contrast Settings - First of all, there's no perfect setting. What may be good for me at 40 may be dismal on your set. Of all the user settings, Contrast is the one that can actually do your tv harm (burn-in or shorten the life of the phosphor). I'm assuming that the settings still go up to 100? So when I recommend, say 40, I'm referring to about 40% on the slider. If that's changed I need to know. Anyway, contrast can have a huge impact on picture quality (PQ). Contrast is actually "white level." Even though at very low settings the picture is too dark, it's because the whites have been reduced to something less white. At too high a level you get "blooming" where the white areas exceed their edges and bleed over into adjoining areas that are not white. So, you want to take Contrast to the point just before it blooms. This is best seen on the test pattern provided by Avia and others. It's very hard to set w/o such a reference. A setting of 60 is OK so long as you're not driving white too hard. It doesn't necessarily mean that whites have become too white, but that the whites have begun to take over surounding areas. If you see this then you need to back it off.

Please let me know how it goes after you try the Avia disc. ;)

justsc

06-15-06, 02:23 PM

Well, while waiting for my avia dvd i've been researching and digging some forums about my problem, and i was reading the ws32z308p service manual when it struck me... i think i have a focus problem, now the problem is where in the service menu are those options, if they exist of course... anyone? Thanks.
Focus can be very difficult to adjust.

Before deciding the issue is focus, give the Avia disc a chance to make things right.

The most helpful focus adjustment is not in the SM, but inside the cover. There are usually two pots to adjust focus, one for coarse focus and one for fine focus. I don't recommend anyone taking the cover off of their sets, as the high and low voltage power supplies are too close, as are other elements that can give you a shock you really just don't want to ednure. If you can determine it really is a focus issue you need to place a service call. Let them take the risks.

Please advise how it goes with Avia. ;)

KueMan10

06-15-06, 02:37 PM

It's always good to hear that folks are happy with their purchase. It's kinda sad when I read bad reports because people get excited about a new HD set and the let down has got to be very difficult.

Your description of fading is a bit difficult to visualize. Are you referring to a geometry problem - lines not straight? Is the picture washing out kimd of like a washed out photo? If you could expand on your description is would be helpful. If you have a picture that'd be even better.

Avia can make a major difference. But I can't say for sure in this case until I understand the problem better. ;)

Thanks for the help!! The picture is more a "washing out" type effect. Would that be geometry problems then? And it does not diminish the overall picture at all, but it is a tad annoying, and I probably wouldn't have even noticed if I never came to these forums. So is there anything I could do about it? Like going into the SM... or should I just hold off until I get the Avia dvd? Thanks!

justsc

06-15-06, 02:41 PM

Hello Everyone,
1st time poster, long time lurker. I recentley purchased the Samsung 30" Slimfit HDTV (TXS3082W) last week at Best Buy, for the HD Adventure Deal and needed some help with this set. I am new to HD but am somewhat familiar with TV technology so bear with me. I picked this set up last monday, set it up last wens to my DVD player, 360 etc. Anyways, I callibrated the settings from out-of-the-box(Dynamic and all) using the THX test on SW:EPIII dvd, and thought that my picture looked great. However 3 hrs into using the set, while playing Call Of Duty 2 on the 360, the pic started to break up and then became staticy. I thought maybe it was loose cables, no luck. I turned it off/on, unplugged and even waited till next day, no luck, the screen was still distorted (think of the static when you first put on a VHS, the "snowy" effect all over). I switched through the inputs and the static was evident on all of them, so I knew that there was something wrong with the TV. I came on the boards and discovered that this tv is prone to burn in, especially with the out-of-the-box settings (Dynamic, High Contrast, etc.). I decided that I would change the settings just so I wouldnt risk further damage, and the static dissapeared! Now(a week later), the pic looks good, and I havent had any problems with static. I have noticed however that on either side of the tv, there a strips of "obvious" pixels, meaning the stand out from the rest of the tv. My bro and friends cant see them but I can DEFINATLEY spot them in certain areas. Now my question is this, What should I do??? The tv is still good under is 30 day waranty (and I also got the 4yr) so I could take it back can pick up a new one...but I am also aware of the various "other" problems (Geometry, bowing, etc.) people seem to be having with this tv, and since I cant see any problems with my set other then the pixels, I think my set is ok. I could take it back and get a set with a whole new set of problems. So maybe you guys could help me out...
1) What are these "obvious" pixels im seeing??? Is it just from having my initial contrast settings to high, which caused burn-in??? Is there a way to fix this problem???
This is common on all flat screen sets, and more pronounced in SlimFit type sets. It's about focus. The gun at the back of the tube is trying to scan the screen by firing electrons at it, so to speak. The very closest spot on the screen is dead center. Now, if the screen were curved like older sets, the distances to the edges would be equidistant from the center. But on flat screen sets the edges are further away than the center, resulting in a small loss of focus. Plus, if it's widescreen the edges are even further away. And with the slimfit technology and the tube being even slimmer, the ratio of distance the electrons have to travel to the sides is greater, resuting in further loss of focus. As for me, I've gotten used to it, as most eventually do. If you cannot adjust to it then I'd consider getting a non-SlimFit type set.
2) Why is the tv prone to burn-in in the 1st place, its a tube-tv. I though only Plasmas and DLP could have burn-in.
Like Plasma sets, tube sets have phosphors and are prone to burn-in if static images are left on too long. DLP setes do not suffer burn-in. The problem isn't so much with the visible part of the picture. Rather, it has to do with the bars, either letterbox or pillarboxes (side bars). When you watch shows with the pillarboxes you need to know that what seems like black nothingness on the sides is actually being displayed as black. And if you watch 4:3 material most of the time you are risking burning-in black bars on the sides of your set. You need to balance your viewing with 4:3 and 16:9 material. At least a minimum of 60-70% of your viewing should fill the screen. This can be HD or using a stretch mode with SD.
3) My set also makes a quick "zapping" sound when I turn it on. It doesnt happen all the time and I am assuming its just the set warming up.
This is the degaussing circuit sounding-off. It doesn't happen all the time, just whenever the set detects the need. On my set it happens when it's been cold overnight.

I apologize for my long post and my questions that probably are obvious to answer. I have been surfing this board for days and havent seemed to find the answers to my problems. Thank you ALL in advance.
Ian
These are all good questions. If you have more, go for it. ;)

justsc

06-15-06, 02:44 PM

Thanks for the help!! The picture is more a "washing out" type effect. Would that be geometry problems then? And it does not diminish the overall picture at all, but it is a tad annoying, and I probably wouldn't have even noticed if I never came to these forums. So is there anything I could do about it? Like going into the SM... or should I just hold off until I get the Avia dvd? Thanks!
You think it could be the loss of focus at the edges that I've been addressing in a couple of other posts this morning (yes - it's actually still morning in CA)? Try looking at these other posts and see if it seems to fit what you see. If it's not that, then I come back to possibly excessive contrast and sharpness, which the Avia disc will help with.

Cheers! ;)

orntar

06-15-06, 04:30 PM

is it similar to this?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=687721

there is a few pics for reference in that thread.

Hengist

06-16-06, 07:36 AM

orntar

06-16-06, 11:48 AM

i believe all they set is the four adjustable settings; contrast, brightness, color, hue.

i don't think dynamic is actually "dynamic". it sets the contrast to 100%, though, so most suggest changing that immediately.

i have mine set to custom and color mode to normal. contrast to 65, brightness to 57, color to 55, and hue 50. set with avia, although i don't have blue filter required for the color settings.

justsc

06-16-06, 11:58 AM

Hi all,

I bought one of these Samsung 32" Slimfit HDTV's a couple of weeks ago from Comets, mainly to use with the Xbox 360. It also had a few geometry problems. After reading how to get into the service menu, from this thread, I've corrected these issues to a state that I can live with. I did have the engineer around also, who couldn't be bothered to adjust it, saying that in his opinion I'd done a pretty good job, considering the Slimfit design of the set, and I had 28 days to take it back for a refund if I wasn't satisfied (I got that bit in writing from him).

However, my question is... What does the Dynamic picture mode (as opposed to Standard, Custom, etc) setting in the regular menu do? I can't find anything about this in the so called manual, and my search skills here haven't turned anything up yet. Does it dynamically adjust the Contrast, Brightness, Colour levels etc, on the fly with regards to the input source?

Excuse what may be a simple question, but I've no idea what this Dynamic setting does. Can someone be so kind as to enlighten me?
The Dynamic picture mode is mostly for the showroom floor. With the bright lighting in showrooms, the manufacturers need a setting that will overcome the showroom bright lighting and glare. Otherwise, the tvs would look dark and gloomy and nothing would be sold. So, they've driven contrast, brightness, color and sharpness extraordinarily hard. It is also dynamic and there's an ambient light sensor in the tv that serves to make minor adjustments to the picture in changing light conditions (at least this has been true in the past models).

The first and best thing you can do for your tv is to immediately select another picture mode and adjust contrast downward. Excessive contrast can cause burn-in and shorten the life of the phosphors. the second best thing you can do for your tv is to invest in a calibration dvd like Avia and give your set a proper calibration. The results can be significant. After I calibrated my set the first time it looked so much better it was asif I had a new tv - and I watched all my dvds over again.

Hengist

06-17-06, 07:27 AM

Thanks orntar & justsc for the replies and the advice.

DerekTimothy

06-18-06, 12:41 AM

I've been reading through this thread quite intently for about an hour now. I just got my 3082 a few days ago, and have been enjoying it so far. I have been looking through this thread specifically because...

...My set also makes a quick zapping sound when I turn it on...This is the degaussing circuit sounding-off. It doesn't happen all the time, just whenever the set detects the need. On my set it happens when it's been cold overnight.

I've actually been scratching my head for a way to describe my problem. I had been calling it "clicking" but zapping works well. My set does this - but not just when I turn it on. Seldomly, but often once it starts, my set will ZAP while I'm watching it and its been on for a few moments - or much later, after viewing for 30+ minutes. I'm watching through some inexpensive rabbit ears, but the zapping happens on both HD and regular analog channels. I even managed to switch inputs once when it zapped and it zapped again, once or twice, on a blank gray input screen.

So far the set NEVER does it when I'm watching DVD's or playing video games through the S-video input. I can't figure why it would behave differently like that.

I hadn't thought of it being a degause zap, but that makes sense. BUT the problem is, why would my set just randomly zap itself like that? Surely it can't suddenly need to degause three times after its been on for 22 minutes.

I used the instructions in this thread to access the SM. I haven't done anything in there yet, but is there a setting I can fiddle with to stop the degause zapping? Should I be calling CircuitCity tomorrow morning?

Any help or suggestions will be much appreciated.

justsc

06-18-06, 12:21 PM

...I hadn't thought of it being a degause zap, but that makes sense. BUT the problem is, why would my set just randomly zap itself like that? Surely it can't suddenly need to degause three times after its been on for 22 minutes.

I used the instructions in this thread to access the SM. I haven't done anything in there yet, but is there a setting I can fiddle with to stop the degause zapping? Should I be calling CircuitCity tomorrow morning?

Any help or suggestions will be much appreciated.
Congrats on the new set and welcome to AVS! ;)

The zapping/popping really drove me nuts with my Samsung set.

I swear it even happened at night when the set was actually powered off, but in stand-by mode. It would wake me up a number of times at night. I have no idea why it does this beyond the customary degauss at power-up.

I know of no SM setting to shut-off the zapping. If it's truly the degaussing circuit, you don't want it defeated.

DerekTimothy

06-18-06, 01:06 PM

justsc

06-18-06, 01:24 PM

So...

You think if it's zapping and popping three and four times in a row, 5 minutes after I've had it on and am watching it, it's actually needing to degause?

Would humidity have an influence? We haven't been running the AC yet, so it's been about 80 in our apartment, with a relatively high humidity, this past week...

It isn't possible that the degause circuit is firing mistakenly?
Given all the info, it does not sound normal, or reasonable - if it's the degaussing circuit or anything else. Humidity can easily make a difference, but not to the tune of all the pops you're getting. On my Sony set the degaussing circuit really only (audibly) sounds-off when it's been cold overnight.

I'd contact the manufacturer.

DerekTimothy

06-18-06, 05:14 PM

The ZAP happened once today while using the S-video DVD input...

Samsung Customer Service is having a service rep guy call me this week to come out and look at it. Now I just hafta cross my fingers that the 3082 actually makes the ZAP sound when he's here to look at it...

And if he doesn't repair it, I suppose I'll hafta go through the hassle of borrowing another mini-van and going back to CircuitCity to exchange it...

pinha_man

06-18-06, 07:12 PM

spykes424

06-19-06, 12:01 AM

my 3082 set has a beautiful picture. but lately when i'm watching it has been popping/flickering. i'll be watching regulary, then the image will go black and the screen will "pop" (sounds like that) and then a second later the image stretches to fit (like when you turn a tv on/off) and it's fine. it's done this 5 times in the last 2 days. defective maybe? anyone else having this problem? :(

DerekTimothy

06-19-06, 09:32 AM

Sounds similar to my problem. Although, when my set zaps, the whole event is over in about half a second.

Otherwise you described exactly what my set does. Based on this thread, my guess is that the degause is firing. I have a service tech coming out to look at it this week.

spykes424

06-19-06, 12:14 PM

yeah im sure its the same problem. im still under best buys 30 day warranty.. should i take it back and exchange it? or call a service tech out?

Ntruder

06-19-06, 01:40 PM

I have a question that maybe someone here can help with. First, I apologize if this has been covered already. I've read about the first 15 pages of this thread, but I don't think I can cover all 43.

I have the Slimfit 3079, and my friend has the newer 3080 (with the speakers on the bottom) and we both have the same issue that I'm about to explain.

I play Xbox 360 on this Samsung AND on my Dell 2005FPW 20.1" widescreen computer monitor. It seems like the picture of the game is too large for the TV screen. I lose about a half inch of picture on each side of the screen. I'll give you some examples. Observe the pictures below. (These are photoshopped simulated pictures, not actual screenshots, but they are a very accurate representation)

First, the full image, as displayed through X360 VGA cable, 1365x768 resolution on my Dell 2005FPW 20.1" widescreen monitor. This is how Ghost Recon SHOULD look. Observe carefully the position of the blue border.
http://abc.eznettools.net/D300003/X300016/Lees_junk/GRAW1.jpg

Next, an approximation of Ghost Recon on my Samsung SlimFit, component cables, BOTH 720p and 1080i resolution. Notice in particular the portion of the blue border that is visible. **There is actually LESS of the border visible on the TV, I did not crop the photo enough**
http://abc.eznettools.net/D300003/X300016/Lees_junk/GRAW2.jpg

Another example, Dell monitor, from Oblivion this time, focus on the compass and health bars, relative to the bottom of the screen
http://abc.eznettools.net/D300003/X300016/Lees_junk/Oblivion1.jpg

And now what it looks like on the Samsung:
http://abc.eznettools.net/D300003/X300016/Lees_junk/Oblivion2.jpg

Is there a fix for this? Maybe in the service menu? (I just got instructions on accessing the service menu) Its not a huge deal, but I worry that some games may have important HUD information down around the edges, and I'll be losing it. Other than this, and the audio/video/optical out being useless, I love the TV. The HD picture is great, and the picture on the newer 3080 version is even better.

justsc

06-19-06, 04:03 PM

Still waiting for avia but solved most of the ghosts problem in normal mode tv with swr_gain or svw_gain in video adjust (i think i'm writing the name wrong LOL) it was set to 45 but on 0 the majority of the ghost disapeared. in HD that problem still exists (very badly)... just updating my adventure calibrating my set :) i hope that after callibration with avia the thing improves :)
I have one more suggestion.

All manufacturers include an edge enhancement feature called Velocity Scan Modulation (SVM). Some allow for this to be adjusted in the user menu, others in the SM. Samsung has it in the SM.

The SVM setting in the SM can be found in Video Adjust 2 menu. It's called VM LEVEL and its default value is either "2" or "3." I recommend that you edit the value to "1" or "0." Then see if it helps with the ghosting. Many, many calibrators turn off SVM as a matter of habit. I tend to like a little.

Best of Luck! ;)

Ntruder

06-20-06, 01:33 AM

justsc

06-20-06, 12:53 PM

As a follow up to my previous post (with the pretty X360 pictures) I went into the service menu and made some corrections. I now have the entire image displayed perfectly on the screen, no visible geometry errors whatsoever. I'm very happy.
Great work! ;)

If you feel compelled to do so, please consider posting the names, original values and new values of the changed settings.

Cheers!

pinha_man

06-20-06, 02:19 PM

I have one more suggestion.

All manufacturers include an edge enhancement feature called Velocity Scan Modulation (SVM). Some allow for this to be adjusted in the user menu, others in the SM. Samsung has it in the SM.

The SVM setting in the SM can be found in Video Adjust 2 menu. It's called VM LEVEL and its default value is either "2" or "3." I recommend that you edit the value to "1" or "0." Then see if it helps with the ghosting. Many, many calibrators turn off SVM as a matter of habit. I tend to like a little.

Best of Luck! ;)

Yup, svm thats the name of the tweak, that's what i played with, but in my SM it's on video adjust 4 probably because its an european set. avia arrives tomorrow let's see how it will do.

ShmoeTheHo

06-21-06, 12:33 PM

Hello -- long time, first time poster.

After several months of "testing" the SlimFit in my bedroom before my move to an apt, it's finally in it's true home.

Now, my girlfriend's gamecube/nintendo 64 whenever hooked up to the RCA inputs, both come up black and white. Almost as if something is interfering with the signal.

Note I haven't tried anything else with an RCA input, but the fact that its occurring on both systems, on all video inputs leads me to believe its an issue with the tv.

Anyone have anything similar happen to them?

Thanks in advance for any help guys.

iatoolie

06-21-06, 02:46 PM

justsc

06-21-06, 04:46 PM

I have the new 30" Slimfit TV . . . anyone have any recommendations on a DVD player? I'm debating getting either an upconverting player and running it through HDMI or just a decent progressive scan player (possibly recorder) and running it through component cables. Has anyone switched from a progressive scan player to an upconverting one and noticed a significant difference on their Slimfit HDTV?

FYI: My current DVD player is an older PS2 (no progressive scan for movies) through component.

Thanks!
I switched from a PS player to an upconverting player. My PS player did a fine job, but when I got my HD set I wanted to see if an upconverting player might better take advantage of the added resolution. I started with the Samsung HD850, but it crushed blacks, meaning the anything close to black, like grey, was as black as black can be. Totally devoid of dark details. Then I learned about the Oppo player here on AVS. What an incredible player. It has a state-of-the-art Faroudja/Genesis chipset that really does right by dvds, and it does well at upconversion too. To learn more, go to the Standard Definition DVD Player section here at AVS. It clearly makes a significant difference.

acrappa

06-21-06, 05:09 PM

Hello, this is my first post on AVSForum.

I bought a 30" Samsung Slimfit HDTV (TXS3082) last week and have really enjoyed it. However, the other night I put Terminator 2 Extreme Edition into my DVD player and noticed some problems with the image being cropped. I noticed it during the scene where Arnold is scanning the bikers in the bar, right at the beginning of the movie. I can't link it since I am a new user, but here is the address to the picture from the scene: members(dot)cox(dot)net(slash)acrappa(slash)t2dvd(dot)jpg. The letters on both ends of the screen were being cutoff, and all that I could see were incomplete words.

I hooked up a second DVD player to see if it was my player or the TV, and the issue persisted, so I knew it was the TV. My girlfriend then told me that she had noticed this happening with TV DVDs, as their credits at the bottom of the screen at the beginning of the shows were sometimes being cutoff. After looking around online, I stumbled upon this thread and found the instructions on accessing the service menu (page 5 of this thread) to adjust the overscan so that the whole picture is displayed. I began to play around with only these settings: V-AMP, V-SHIFT, H-AMP, and H-SHIFT.

No matter what I do, I cannot get the word "transport" from the T2 scene to be displayed completely on the screen. I can get maybe TRANSPO and half an R, but that's all. Content with getting CRITERIA's area displayed, I figured this was good enough for me. When I went back to watching 4:3 TV channels, the picture was no longer centered, the black gaps on the sides were uneven, and the picture curved like a "J" at the bottom of the image. So I went back and tweaked the settings more. And then again. And again. Now no matter what I do to make one image look right, when I switch to DVD or to TV again, the other looks wrong.

I just want to get everything back to how it was before all of this. If some of the image is cutoff in order to have everything else look right and balanced, it's fine with me. I'm just getting too frustrated adjusting these settings. Does anyone know the default values of these four settings or have any tips on getting my TV to look normal again?

zrdb

06-21-06, 06:56 PM

I'll bet you didn't write the starting values down-did you? If so good luck cause you're gonna need it.

justsc

06-21-06, 07:18 PM

...I just want to get everything back to how it was before all of this. If some of the image is cutoff in order to have everything else look right and balanced, it's fine with me. I'm just getting too frustrated adjusting these settings. Does anyone know the default values of these four settings or have any tips on getting my TV to look normal again?
I wish you the best of luck.

KoRn

06-22-06, 02:58 AM

Quexex

06-22-06, 07:06 AM

Hello, this is my first post on AVSForum.

I just want to get everything back to how it was before all of this. If some of the image is cutoff in order to have everything else look right and balanced, it's fine with me. I'm just getting too frustrated adjusting these settings. Does anyone know the default values of these four settings or have any tips on getting my TV to look normal again?

heh I did the same thin with my 419 (european model) it will take time and understanding to get it back as each of the settings have an effect on the other settings which are then offset by other settings depending on the source.

Got mine back to a reasonable level after about 2 hrs of messing.

Ntruder

06-22-06, 11:23 AM

It shouldn't be that tough to correct. Just go to a setting, remember its value, and move it up and down, depending on which way it corrects the picture. Then move to the next setting, move it up and down depending on what it does. Get everything straight and lined up, extend the H-amp and V-amp slightly so you cut off the very edge of the screen, and you'll have a sharp edge rather than crooked. Go through the whole "deflection" list a few times, try it watching different inputs, etc.

justsc

06-22-06, 12:25 PM

Ouch. I just dont understand why people wont learn to snap pics of there sm setting or write them down before they go ape in there with it. You pretty much messed your tv up bud because there are no defaults. Each tv has there own unique values. Be glad you only messed with those settings and not others. Either take it back or get a tech in there to try and help out. But if you take it back. Im going to put a guilt trip on you. Because 9 times out of 10 there going to sell it as an open box. Of course you get the discount but you get a jacked up tv to boot from someone messing around in the sm. Thats why I would never EVER buy a display or an open box because of people going into the sm and messing there tv up.
You da man!

While I now take a hard line with those who go into the SM like a bull in a china shop, I do feel for them. I wish forums would be less free with information on how to access SMs and tweak settings. Newbies tend to get the notion that it's no big deal, and go in there with no plan at all, failing to record default values.

I used to try to work with these guys and walk them through trying to fix their sets. But I have found that the same types that mess things up initially go on to repeat their mistakes and continue to disrespect the SM. So now, as above, I just wish them luck.

Betrarn

06-22-06, 04:00 PM

Hello,

I'm a newbie here, but I've been interested in AV stuff for what feels like a very long time (when I was 11 years old, my favorite part of any Sunday paper was the Best Buy Catalogue :p ).

I'm looking to buy a Samsung TX-R3080WH, my first HDTV, and have a couple of questions.

1) Does this model have HDMI inputs? I have read conflicting information on different websites.

2) Can anyone who lives in Oregon comment on the level of service provided by Samsung in this part of the country? From reading through the thread, I'm getting the idea that there is an excellent chance I'll require a repair person to come out and fix it at some point (even with having access to the SM myself, as well as an Avia DVD)

3) Do geometry issues vary with the signal or input the TV is using?

3) Lastly, if you own the set, are you truly happy with it right now? There are geometry issues with the cheap SDTV flat CRT that I currently own, but after a while I learned to ignore them, so that's not a big deal to me.

Thanks for any help all of you can provide.

pinha_man

06-22-06, 07:56 PM

JungleJim

06-22-06, 08:53 PM

The 3080 is $100 more than the 3082 at BB. Does anyone know why it costs more? I thought the 3082 offerred more features?

justsc

06-22-06, 09:22 PM

Hi again guys, well i have the avia dvd but i would like to ask you all a favor, i've tweaked the geometry of my tv thru SM, however i would like if possible to some of you to share with me your deflection tweaks values, i ask this because i've tweaked those values the best i could but i would like to compare with another adjustments so i can give the best calibration to my set with avia (mainly on corners and side issues). The european model is ws-32z409p and i belive that the USA equivalent is TX-S3082WH, post them here or just send them thru pm. Thanks in advance.
Just FYI - each set will have unique values, even those with the same model numbers. It's because these are analog tvs, and each set is given a cursory calibration at the factory in final test. These calibrations do not involve plugging in a standard list of values, but rather each one is eyeballed and values are input for how the set performs against test patterns. Being analog, each set will have it's own unique values. There's no harm in trying someone's else's settings, just don't be disappointed if they don't help. Also keep in mind that each set has been further calibrated in someone's home and their lighting and viewing conditions may be very different from your own, resulting in settings that may look much worse on your set.

Just stuff to consider as you explore other's settings.

Cheers and Good Luck. ;)

justsc

06-22-06, 09:28 PM

The 3080 is $100 more than the 3082 at BB. Does anyone know why it costs more? I thought the 3082 offerred more features?
This is weird.

The only real difference I see is that the 3080 has speakers on the bottom and the 3082 has them on the sides. The 3080 is from the TX-R series while the 3082 is from the newer TX-S series. Samsung recommends a minimum MSRP of $799 for both sets, so I have no idea why BB would want more cash for the older 3080.

Good Luck!

zrdb

06-22-06, 10:16 PM

I'll let you in on a little secret-I work for BB and they are greedy sobs-that's why the price incongruitys.

pinha_man

06-22-06, 10:22 PM

Just FYI - each set will have unique values, even those with the same model numbers. It's because these are analog tvs, and each set is given a cursory calibration at the factory in final test. These calibrations do not involve plugging in a standard list of values, but rather each one is eyeballed and values are input for how the set performs against test patterns. Being analog, each set will have it's own unique values. There's no harm in trying someone's else's settings, just don't be disappointed if they don't help. Also keep in mind that each set has been further calibrated in someone's home and their lighting and viewing conditions may be very different from your own, resulting in settings that may look much worse on your set.

Just stuff to consider as you explore other's settings.

Cheers and Good Luck. ;)

Yes i understand all that i would only like some other configuration so i could compare to mine before i start calibrating with avia just to make sure that my configuration is the best for my set. I have the default that came with the tv, my own and i would like a third one then i woul compare and play with those 3 to get a perfect one.

vdubbia

06-23-06, 02:17 AM

fyi, there was a recent sale at BB for the 3082 w/ xbox 360 purchase... TV rang up for $449... had to buy an XBOX 360 Bundle w/ an extra controller and a game... total was $949 + tax. Was going to sell the XBOX to get the TV for net $449 + tax, but after seeing the game on this TV, that is not going to happen... still an excellent deal, though.

vdubbia

06-23-06, 02:20 AM

also one more thing... on the left hand side of the screen when there is a high contrast of white on black (or vice versa...) I can see a vertical band of RGB on the black in the image... it's very faint, and seems to be intermittent. Is this something that I can fix via the service menu? On more level contrast shots, the picture is dead on, it's almost like the glass on the screen is refracting the light an breaking it out into the spectrum... tough to describe... this is the 3082.

EDIT: here's a pic:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e329/mk5mods/banding002.jpg

DerekTimothy

06-24-06, 06:50 PM

Hey, ShmoeTheHo...

...Now, my girlfriend's gamecube/nintendo 64 whenever hooked up to the RCA inputs, both come up black and white. Almost as if something is interfering with the signal.

Note I haven't tried anything else with an RCA input, but the fact that its occurring on both systems, on all video inputs leads me to believe its an issue with the tv.
What if you hook up a DVD player (or VCR) through a different RCA cable? What if you hook up the N64/GC through S-video?

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Hey, acrappa...

...After looking around online, I stumbled upon this thread and found the instructions on accessing the service menu (page 5 of this thread) to adjust the overscan so that the whole picture is displayed. I began to play around with only these settings: V-AMP, V-SHIFT, H-AMP, and H-SHIFT.
Did you also bookmark, or download, the linked PDF file with instructions for which settings change what? That file has been a great help to me while tweaking in the service-menu.

...No matter what I do, I cannot get the word "transport" from the T2 scene to be displayed completely on the screen. I can get maybe TRANSPO and half an R, but that's all. Content with getting CRITERIA's area displayed, I figured this was good enough for me. When I went back to watching 4:3 TV channels, the picture was no longer centered, the black gaps on the sides were uneven, and the picture curved like a "J" at the bottom of the image. So I went back and tweaked the settings more. And then again. And again. Now no matter what I do to make one image look right, when I switch to DVD or to TV again, the other looks wrong.

I just want to get everything back to how it was before all of this.
Isn't there a "reset" option in the service-menu? Mine has one, but I've never hit it to see what it does.

I have a question about the scene from T2. If you play it in a DVD application on your PC, and set the window size not to full screen, then can you see the "RT" from "transport"? I'm asking, because I'm wondering if you're straining to see a part of the image that isn't actually there.

If some of the image is cutoff in order to have everything else look right and balanced, it's fine with me. I'm just getting too frustrated adjusting these settings. Does anyone know the default values of these four settings or have any tips on getting my TV to look normal again?
What I would do is put in something with some nice static images to help you set the TV by. For instance, my wife's copy of "Finding Nemo" has a THX Optimizer in the "set up" menu of the DVD. I use that. It has a few slides with rectangles or lots of horizontal/vertical bars.

Let me tell you the steps that work for me. FIRST, I adjust the V-AMP and H-AMP down, so that the screen is actually smaller than the set allows. Then I follow the service-menu instructions, in the PDF file linked earlier in this thread...

1. Adjust the BOW and ANGLE settings so that the very center of the image (hopefully you have a THX optimizer or something with straight vertical lines) is straight up and down. Don't worry about the very tips - just get the center line straight for the most part.

2. Adjust the H-PAR and H-TRAP so that the lines on the left and ride sides of the screen are straight. Again, don't worry about the very tips on top or bottom - just get the far left and right lines to be pretty straight.

3. Adjust the UPPER CORNER and LOWER CORNER settings to get the tips of the lines to be straight - or as close to straight as you can get 'em. It isn't going to be extremely perfect - just work to get things as straight as they will go for that setting, following this general order.

4. Adjust the V-LIN and V-SC settings so that the space between horizontal lines is even - so that the screen isn't "squished" towards the bottom, or top.

After following these steps, I take a few of my own steps. I center the screen as best I can, using something off of the DVD I'm using to "optimize" my set (using the V-SHIFT and H-SHIFT settings). THEN, I adjust the V-AMP and H-AMP controls to push the edges off the ends, because usually the very edges of the screen are still a little bit curvy, compared to the rest of the image that now looks good based on my tweaking.

Now, you should be more or less done. The last thing I usually end up forced to do is to go out of the "deflection" menu and into whichever Video menu contains the "4x3 POSITION" setting, and I'll adjust that to further tweak the centering of non-widescreen images. Then I'm done.

Remember, after turning the TV off and back on, ALL of the color/contrast settings are reset to factory, so immediately turn off dynamic mode and tweak your settings to the way you want them. Write these numbers down, because everytime you access the service-menu you'll lose your settings.

Hopefully my description of what I do will help you! Ask more questions if it doesn't...

mojotaker

06-25-06, 02:34 AM

missashleighb

06-27-06, 12:10 AM

justsc

06-27-06, 12:25 AM

I purchased the 3079 from Circuit City at the end of February. As of June 1, the set wouldn't turn on at all. The LCD light worked, but no power. 3 and a half weeks later after countless near-daily calls to Samsung, and I still have no answers. It's not like I live in the 'burbs, either. I'm in Manhattan, where there should be plenty of repair people and replacement TVs.

This experience has ensured that Samsung has lost my business for life. It's bad enough that the thing broke, but to get the runaround for a month with no progress is beyond frustrating. I filed a complaint with the BBB, and hope that will help. Any suggestions of where to go from here?
That's really unfortunate, to say the least.

As you'll see in this thread, many have had great experiences with their Samsung sets, and others have been very disappointed. I find this holds true for all manufactured sets whether it's Samsung, Sony or whatever. There'll always be lemons and there'll always be useless support types.

What to do? Try not to let this experience steer you away from finding a good HD set. If Samsung has left too bad a taste in your mouth, try another brand. Other reputable brands are Sony, Toshiba, Panasonic, JVC, etc. Look around and ask questions.

Best of Luck!

ShaunoftheDead9

06-27-06, 09:30 AM

I've been fighting them for the last 20 days about the exchange they have promised for my set. No one at Samsung knows what they are doing.

justsc

06-27-06, 12:13 PM

This is so not like what most of the experiences have been lately with Samsung service. What I'm used to reading is how helpful Samsung has been. So this is troubling to say the least. Be sure to record the date and time of all calls with Samsung. If you get this kind of dis-service again please ask for a Supervisor and share your experience with them.

ShaunoftheDead9

06-27-06, 12:36 PM

justsc

06-27-06, 12:47 PM

I've been through everyone there and still no answers. I track my service on their website and it states on both the "My Support" and the "Self Repair Tracking" links that I am going to receive an exchange on my 3079, but when I talk to anyone and everyone at Samsung they have no clue on what is going on. They keep sending me into directions that lead to deadends. It's very tiresome.
You may have inadvertently saturated the the various service providers at Samsung. It's customary that every call is recorded and all details are entered into their IT systems. If one makes many calls to many different CSRs, they have read through each and every recorded conversation in order to help at the time of your newest call and they may be reaching meltdown in an attempt to help. It could be that you just have to wait for your new set. If the system indicates it's coming, then it's probably true, regardless of what you hear on the phone.

But I realize that's wholly unsatisfactory. What about a different approach. Have you attempted to solicit the help of your reseller? They may be familiar with how Samsing approaches situations like yours and may be able to tell you the significance of what you're reading on the computer. You might also try not to call Samsung quite so often as you may actually not be helping your situation.

ShaunoftheDead9

06-27-06, 05:05 PM

Circuit City is no help. As to the exchange, it's been saying that for over a week now and no confirmation from anyone at Samsung.

DerekTimothy

06-27-06, 09:32 PM

I only called Samsung once so far, but the gentleman I talked to was pretty helpful, and he got my problem entered in for a Service Tech visit within the following few days after the call. He even gave me the name and phone number of the Service Tech office.

Granted, I wasn't trying to exchange directly with Samsung, and I've only called 'em once so far, but my experience was good. I do hope that you get your replacement TV soon...

sergio5525

06-28-06, 11:46 AM

Anyone know what i need to change in the service menu to get the screen tilted to a more normal state. Ive tilted it in the user menu to -7, but sometimes it still seems like it's tilted too much to the right, (like the right of the screen is more down, and the left is more up)

DerekTimothy

06-28-06, 06:05 PM

There is a setting called "angle" in the Deflection menu of the SM. You also may want to tweak the V POSITION setting, after writing down the initial value, of course.

taxman48

06-29-06, 05:02 PM

Just bought the SX2783 for my son. Using the SA4200HD box via component. Set the box on "passthru". HD shows look great so far. How does my son watch a regular show on let say TBS with full screen? I went into the tv menu--- picture-- 16:9 but still get bars instead of full screen for normal channels.. thanks in advance

justsc

06-30-06, 01:21 AM

Does the STB have a choice of settings for 480i signals? Your passthrough option may not include 480i, and may be bringing in everything over an HD carrier. My Comcast box has one set of settings for 480p, 720p and 1080i, and another for 480i material which does fill the 4:3 screen if allowed to be brought in as 480i.

sergio5525

06-30-06, 04:21 PM

ok thanks derektimothy, yeah ill write down the current setting and mess with it a bit

ShaunoftheDead9

06-30-06, 10:46 PM

I finally got a phone call from Samsung today about my problem with my TX-R3079, and they are going to replace my tv with an upgrade to the HLS4266. So finally I can rest easy now. And my wife doesn't have to hear me bi*ch anymore.

justsc

06-30-06, 10:56 PM

Looks like they took good care of you after all?

I agree Samung could have been more communicative, but don't you think you were a little hard on them?

ShaunoftheDead9

06-30-06, 11:52 PM

justsc

07-01-06, 12:08 AM

The more I think about it, the more I agree with you.

It is very good news that you've been offered a decent solution. I hope it all works out perfectly for you.

vdubbia

07-01-06, 11:39 AM

justsc

07-01-06, 10:36 PM

This is probably one of those things where it's real, and it bothers you, but it's not bad enough that a repair type will take it seriously. If it were me, I think I'd return it while I had time.

nyep

07-02-06, 04:06 AM

Hi gurus,

Im a noob in this forum and i just need help with a couple of questions.

firstly i have a Samsung CS-29Z30BP SlimFit™.

Questions

1. is this TV a TRUE HD set?

2. How can I test it if its really a 1080i capable set?

3. Why do I get slightly washed out colors under progressive scan on either my PS2, PC (ATI DVI-HDTV adapter) or through my DVD player? If progressive scan is disabled on any of the mentioned sources the colors return to its vibrant defualts.

4. I tried setting up output from my pc to my slimfit with 480p thru component cables, but when I tried anything higher, I always get a gabled green screen or worse a message "no signal". Does this set able to show true 720p or 1080i?

Im using the following btw.

Monster Component Cables
TV out from my HTPC (thru NVIDIA 6800 GS)

Thanks for your guidance folks!

Cheers!

justsc

07-02-06, 11:33 AM

Samsung's web site says it's an HD set, with 1080i as its native scanning rate.

I cannot tell you why your colors appear washed out. Have you calibrated this set yet? If not, I recommend getting a calibration dvd like Avia and evaluate again after a proper calibration. Be sure to locate a PAL version of Avia (I believe there is one) for your location.

You might try posting in the HTPC section of AVS. They will be more equipped to answer PC related questions.

nyep

07-03-06, 02:39 AM

thanks for your input! :) I'll try my luck there as well.

Is there a service mode menu on this set that i can access for calibration?

missashleighb

07-05-06, 08:14 PM

Not really. If they would have communicated a little better, and at least checked their own websites, everything would be fine. I mean for about two weeks I was showing I was going to receive an exchange and when I talked to a live person, no one knew anything. In one phone call I was passed around to at least five different people who had to look up my information each time. I mean what is customer service when the customer has to wait for the service in order to resolve the issue? Who else would come out smiling after dealing with that?

No kidding. I reported mine broken to Samsung 5 weeks ago. Today is the FIRST TIME I actually received a call back from them. I have literally spent 11 hours on the phone trying to get this issue resolved. They said they're going to send me a new TV, and they expect it to ship the week of the 17th. TODAY IS THE 5TH!! It is beyond inefficient and ridiculous. I have left 3 messages for a manager there, and he's never called back. The lady who called me today was only calling to say that the manager has been busy and will be in touch sometime this week. What a load of bs. Take my advice and buy another brand. On the off chance that something goes wrong, they will put you through hell to get the problem resolved.

ShaunoftheDead9

07-05-06, 11:12 PM

I went through hell and high water but finally I got a resolve. I can give you the email of the gentleman who helped me and after I went through him everything seems to be going good, I should expect my DLP soon. It has been shipped and should arrive next week, too bad I'm on vacation so I will hopefully be able to enjoy it when I get home.

DapperDano

07-10-06, 02:06 PM

Ok so I just left a message for a service technician to come out to work on my geometry problems. Am I looking at over a month before he comes out? Also, they said that they need to see a reciept. I have a receipt but I got an open box buy at Best Buy. Will that have a negative impact? Finally, I've been messing with the service menu, should I reset it to the initial values before he comes?

Thanks.

miribota

07-11-06, 09:28 AM

Can anyone tell me if the faint RGB banding on the left side of the screen is fixable via service menu? If not, I want to take back before my 30 days is up!! Can someone offer feedback?

vdubbia:
Sounds like I've had the same problem you're having. If you are still in your 30 days, take it back.

Like a fool I got onto these forums just after I got my SlimFit (3079) and started messing with the service menu. Note: If you want to mess with the service menu, first make sure you can set it back to the original settings... via a menu option or recording all of the values (take a photo). I noticed a rainbow effect in black areas of the right hand side of the screen.... never occured to me that is was my own doing. Called for service and decied to try and fix my service menu blunders....

I spent an entire evening with a test patern from my laptop on the TV... adjusting the settings in the SM, trying to get it better before a tech came out.

After that, the rainbow was gone. This is a very tempremental TV... don't mess with it too much. If I had it to do over again, I'd get a sony, even it it is bigger....

TW

audiorecon

07-12-06, 04:07 PM

I would like to send a snail-mail letter to Samsung about the phantom QAM tuner in my 3079. Does anybody know of an address that I could send it to. I would also like a name of a manager or someone that can do something about it. I want somebody high up over there to know that we will not give up.

DapperDano

07-12-06, 07:12 PM

Does anyone have the default value for the little chime when you turn the tv on and off? That's the only service menu value that I didn't write down.

andydumi

07-13-06, 11:44 AM

Does anyone have the default value for the little chime when you turn the tv on and off? That's the only service menu value that I didn't write down.
mine was set at 7.
what are your other default values, other than geometry screen?
i also get the rainbow banding in black but only on one of the component inputs (from my ps2). I suspect its either the cable or the PS2 though, as other input sources display just fine.

masster

07-15-06, 12:34 PM

hello
here's my first input as a newbie after reading almost all of this topic.

I need your advice: I wanna buy a Samsung SlimFit WS32Z409P. I live in Europe.

I have 3 questions to ask:

1) Is it true that CRT's internal mask is denser in the centre and more distanced to the left-right? And it is visible by naked eye?

2) All TV dealers admitted there was a serious issue concerning poor linearity (aka bad geometry) which led Samsung to withdraw a whole production lot from the market. So... do I have to believe them about the progress Samsung made recently?
Because I tend to be as objective as I can: a shorter tube means a more distorted path for electrons to travel till they reach the phosphorus coating. Hence it is more prone to distortions. Not to mention CONVERGENCE issues that I didn't read much in here.

3) Can you explain again what is this horizontal resolution that all SlimFit seems to suck at? And should I accept that only because the TV costs some $900 ?

=====================================================

On 2nd thought, I decided NOT to buy it, nor another CRT TV. Here's why:

- poor geometry, dependent of contrast & brightness controls
- poor convergence in corners
- danger of burning the interior coating at high contrast levels
- high power consumption
- excessive dissipated heat
- too sensitive at magnetic fields and shocks
- too sensitive at internal mask heating
- poor focus in corners
- big case (SlimFit is still big)
- old CRT technology

In fact we're speaking of a huge 'lamp' (aka CRT) having N coils and magnets trying in vain to 'push-pull-bend' electrons... so if we don't admit that CRT should be the most important and reliable part of the TV, we're lying ourselves. The rest of 'toys' such as HDTV, PIP, Turbo sound :D (ahaha, turbosound) etc are just pretexts for fooling people they're buying new stuff.

I prefer gather more money and buy a LCD or plasma TV rather than cry for the worst buy ever.

So I rest my case.

hakunamutata

07-19-06, 12:25 AM

hello,
I bought my slimfit from CC one year ago and I am quite happy with it so far. I have done some tweaking in the SM and still have some geometry issues, but I can live with it. After all, I paid only $900 for the set.
Anyway I had been getting my signal OTA and it has been great. Recently I ordered cable from Comcast. The service guy came and installed the HDTV reciever, which had HDMI output, but for some reason opted to use the component connection instead. The PQ was good but I had to manually adjust the screen size setting when switching from HDTV to SD programs. It was really annoying, so I decided to try the HDMI using the cable I got with my Samsung upconvert DVD player. The diffrence in the PQ is amazing and I no longer had to adjust the aspect ratio of the screen when switching between HD and SD. Another benefit was that the grey side bars (which I have always disliked) were replaced by black bars when I am watching 4:3 or SD programming. The HD looks great (comparable to the more expensive sets or even better).
I am really happy now except that I have to sit about eight feet away from the set to avoid noticing the scan lines at the outer edges of the screen and that I now have to use the component cables on my DVD player. I wished the set had two or more HDMI input.
All in all its a great set.

justsc

07-19-06, 04:35 PM

Ntruder

07-20-06, 03:08 PM

For all you guys with screwed up pictures and geometry issues: I have attached an image, 800 x 450 (upload limit size) that should help you correct your geometry issues.

The picture is not very big, but its the upload size limit, and is 16:9 aspect ratio. I would probably recomment opening the image in photoshop and enlarging it to 1280x720 or something, then either burning it to a disc and playing it in a dvd player, or some other way to get it up on your TV screen. (I used the PC connect through my Xbox 360)

Make it so the image is fully zoomed on your screen, without using the TV's zoom function. Then go into the service menu, (power off, mute-1-8-2, power on) and make necessary adjustments.

Notes:
-The outer edge has a single pixel of red around it
-The grid is NOT made of perfect squares, but they are evenly spaced hor and vert.
-Blue lines cross at dead center and go corner to corner
-Green circles are perfect circles, centered perfectly.

..

For more help adjusting, I found this post helpful: (I don't remember who wrote this, I just copied it from this thread)

"Let me tell you the steps that work for me. FIRST, I adjust the V-AMP and H-AMP down, so that the screen is actually smaller than the set allows. Then I follow the service-menu instructions, in the PDF file linked earlier in this thread...

1. Adjust the BOW and ANGLE settings so that the very center of the image (hopefully you have a THX optimizer or something with straight vertical lines) is straight up and down. Don't worry about the very tips - just get the center line straight for the most part.

2. Adjust the H-PAR and H-TRAP so that the lines on the left and ride sides of the screen are straight. Again, don't worry about the very tips on top or bottom - just get the far left and right lines to be pretty straight.

3. Adjust the UPPER CORNER and LOWER CORNER settings to get the tips of the lines to be straight - or as close to straight as you can get 'em. It isn't going to be extremely perfect - just work to get things as straight as they will go for that setting, following this general order.

4. Adjust the V-LIN and V-SC settings so that the space between horizontal lines is even - so that the screen isn't "squished" towards the bottom, or top.

After following these steps, I take a few of my own steps. I center the screen as best I can, using something off of the DVD I'm using to "optimize" my set (using the V-SHIFT and H-SHIFT settings). THEN, I adjust the V-AMP and H-AMP controls to push the edges off the ends, because usually the very edges of the screen are still a little bit curvy, compared to the rest of the image that now looks good based on my tweaking.

Now, you should be more or less done. The last thing I usually end up forced to do is to go out of the "deflection" menu and into whichever Video menu contains the "4x3 POSITION" setting, and I'll adjust that to further tweak the centering of non-widescreen images. Then I'm done.

Remember, after turning the TV off and back on, ALL of the color/contrast settings are reset to factory, so immediately turn off dynamic mode and tweak your settings to the way you want them. Write these numbers down, because everytime you access the service-menu you'll lose your settings.

Hopefully my description of what I do will help you! Ask more questions if it doesn't...

hakunamutata

07-21-06, 12:05 AM

I believe there's a hack for making some of the Samsung upconverting players to do their thing with component cables. You might try posting in the Standard Def DVD Players section of AVS.

The scan lines at the edges has to do with focus. These slimmer, flat, widescreen sets are notorious for just this kind of thing.

thank you, but my problem is solved. it seems the slimfit is accepting an upconverted 1080i signal from the DVD player via the component cable. PQ is good but noticibly less than when connected with the HDMI cable. And I can no longer take advantage of the TV's virtual surround sound since I now have to make audio connection using RCA stereo cables. Its okay because I have connected the digital audio outputof the player to my surround sound receiver. like I mentioned before the set needs multiple HDMI inputs and it also needs to output the audio from those sources digitaly. Maybe Samsung will consider that in their future designs (I don't know if they did already).

ericgill

07-21-06, 06:02 AM

Was in a hurry to get a new tv so i could watch the football worldcup final about 2-3 weeks ago... so i got out and after a basic research i conluded the lcds are still very expensive.. when i saw the slim fit samsungs (and their price) i thought i'd get one. And i did. I bought a WS32z409T 32'' widescreen.

I don't watch tv chanells with tickers a lot, just play my ps2 games and watch my dvds. So i think the quality is just fine. I just have two questions though...

a.

When i got home and turned it on, there were redish shades at the corners of the blue screen - kinda like when there's a speaker next (or a magnet for that matter) next to a screen. Miraculously these were gone when i moved the set a few meters away. Anyone of you ppl know what the hell this was?

b.

Now, for the annoying stuff: I use my sony ps2 to watch my dvds. I know this might sound a bit flintstone but i do. Well, in most dvds i get the following weird effect which i find very, very annoying (i'll try to describe it as best as i can): Say there's an actor on the foreground talking. If he moves and the camera follows him, then, whatever scenery is in the background, seems to be moving in a very annoying blurry/liquid kinda way. That appears in the widescreen format. I think it's not happening that much on the 4:3 format, but if i am to use the 4:3 format why did i buy a widescreen tv? Anyone knows what this annoying liquid movement of pictures is? It really makes some dvds unwatchable...

Any suggestion - help will be appreciated.

Thanks guys :(

fleaman

07-21-06, 11:16 AM

a.

When i got home and turned it on, there were redish shades at the corners of the blue screen - kinda like when there's a speaker next (or a magnet for that matter) next to a screen. Miraculously these were gone when i moved the set a few meters away. Anyone of you ppl know what the hell this was?

:(

There must have been a magnetic field near your set. Even a power amp or receiver can sometimes affect a tv (CRT) if close enough.

Or your TV could have degaussed itself after you moved it. Sometimes TV's are next to magnetic fields in the back store, or pass through one. I had a TV that had 1 corners slightly effected from the store. Was about to call them, but after a few turn on/off's, the set had degaussed itself over time.

Fleaman

Boballah

07-21-06, 06:54 PM

OK, I've skimmed this thread over twice and saw nothing covering this topic. Appologies if it's been covered already, but here goes...

I'm hooking an HTPC up to my Samsung 30" Slimfit HDTV (TXS3082W). While I've got the physical connection made, and can see an image, I'm a victim of overscan. "No problem" I thought to myself, I can just go ahead and use PowerStrip to make a custom 16:9 resolution and away I go.

Wrong!

I get the 'Not supported' message when trying any resolution other than the standard 720p.

I suppose my questions are...
A) Is there a way in the service menu to turn off/modify the overscan?
B) Is there a way to make the TV accept custom resolutions?
C) Am I approaching this totally in the wrong way?
D) If none of the above... am I screwed?

Thanks in advance!

mister_b

07-22-06, 12:50 AM

My geometry es near perfect, no problem with that. My model is a 32" one.

What bothers me is that i see a lot of Edge enhancement (well something like it), is there an option in the SM to reduce this effect? I don't want to return the tv just for that.

Thanx in advance.

ericgill

07-22-06, 09:21 AM

Thanks a lot fleaman... your reply really answers my question. There surely was no magnetic field next to my set (i just lay it in the middle of the wooden living room floor, no speakers or power amps anywhere close) so i'm pretty sure it was your second explanation (degausing after a few on/offs)..

I will repost though my other, most urgent question... any help would be appreciated.. i seriously think of getting the tv back and get a new one thanks to that...

in most dvds i get the following weird effect which i find very, very annoying (i'll try to describe it as best as i can): Say there's an actor on the foreground talking. If he moves and the camera follows him, then, whatever scenery is in the background, seems to be moving in a very annoying blurry/liquid kinda way. That appears in the widescreen format. I think it's not happening that much on the 4:3 format, but if i am to use the 4:3 format why did i buy a widescreen tv? Anyone knows what this annoying liquid movement of pictures is?

thanks all

adkerche

07-23-06, 05:47 AM

justsc

07-23-06, 01:04 PM

Have you properly calibrated this set? If not, get the Avia DVD and calibrate the tv. The problem you describe sounds like blooming, an artifact resulting from both overscan and excessive white level. Too much edge enhancement can also contribute to this. The Avia disc can help with all three adjustments.

obiwankenobi77

07-23-06, 07:15 PM

Hi, I have the TXR3079WH and am noticing some strange problems. Whenever there is a drastic change in lighting the picture seems to stretch horizontally. It is most noticeable on commercial changes or effects such as lightning in movies It is even more present if there is a tag in the bottom right corner for the station as the tag moves side to side up to an inch. I recently had the picture tube replaced because of a bad shadow mask and I started seeing it shortly after this. The problem is present in all inputs and in both 4:3 and 16:9 programming. At first I thought it might just be the HD feed from the satellite but then I started noticing it on DVD's as well. Another problem this causes is that I can get the geometry to look very good on any one image (such as the divergence pattern) in the deflection menu, but it will be good only to particular image I set it up to. Could there be some other control in one of the other setup menus that deals with luminescence. I hope I described the problem accurately. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Alex

I'm having the exact same problem with my TX-S3082WH that I bought a few days ago.
I exchanged an LG superslim for this and everything is perfect after I fixed the overscan except for the problem you mentioned.
I don't have the AVIA or DVE DVDs but I have played around with the contrast and brightness levels but can't seem to get rid of the problem.

Please post if you are able to fix the problem on your set.

I also wanted to ask if this would be a problem on all of the sets of the same model or might I be able to exchange it and get one without this problem?

westcannon

07-23-06, 11:51 PM

I am interested in whether any of you know what the solution to this problem is: I bought a new Samsung tx3082. It worked fine for about 10 minutes then the picture distorted. Each side is now has a concave black area so that the actual picture is the shape of an hourglass. No adjustment fixes the problem. Maybe it is just a defective set. Any clues?
Thanks.
Westcannon

adkerche

07-25-06, 03:44 PM

Hi justsc. I was wondering if you knew which value controls the blooming and edge enhancement? Thanks for the help, Alex

villa

07-27-06, 10:44 AM

justsc

07-27-06, 02:57 PM

Hi justsc. I was wondering if you knew which value controls the blooming and edge enhancement? Thanks for the help, Alex
Alex,

Sorry for the delay...

The following are Service Menu adjustments that may help. Keep in mind that my Samsung set is older, from the TX-N series, so the headings in your SM may differ from mine. But the setting names remain the same. AS ALWAYS - record all default SM values you intend to tweak or change, before adjusting them. This way you can at least go back to the way it was if you don't like the changes. Lots of folks have screwed up their sets by not following this procedure.

There's a setting in the Service Menu called VM LEVEL. This controls edge enhancement on the set. Some call it Scan Velocity Modulation. On my older Samsung set, the VM LEVEL adjustment was in Video Adjust 2 section of the SM. The default is either "2" or "3." Try backing it down to "1" or "0."

Under my Video Adjust 1 section there was a setting called COL AXIS which can help with both dark pictures and red push. Try adjusting COL AXIS from "2" to "1." With it set at "1," you can then try lowering your Contrast level and see if the blooming gets better. Also in Video Adjust 1 was the setting LTI Level. This has to do with luminance enhancement. By setting LTI Level to "0" you turn off luminance enhancement which may further reduce blooming.

Cheers! ;)

justsc

07-27-06, 02:58 PM

justsc

07-27-06, 03:01 PM

Hi again! I`m having some problems with my sammy, I got some kind of blooming with blacks against bright colors, I tried to reduce contrast but even at 0, the blooming shows, any idea? I would really apreciate it
I'm having trouble visualizing what you are saying.

Is there any way you could take a picture and post it here?

Blooming is when the white level (Contrast) exceeds propoer levels and the whites "bloom" beyond their bounds. IF you are having trouble with excessive colors that's a chrominance problem.

adkerche

07-28-06, 08:26 AM

Hi, I took a small video of the stretching problem I'm having to help clarify what is happening and to see if anyone else has the same problem. I know the video is awful (kind of ironic on a HD thread) but I hope it does the job. It can be downloaded at { memorythief com /bend.zip} . Thanks for the reply justsc but it did not effect the stretching problem. OK thanks again, Alex

PS: the site would not let me post a url so fill in the .'s

justsc

07-28-06, 11:05 AM

This is a tough one.

Thanks for providing an image. I appologize, but I am still having trouble fully understanding the problem.

What I see - As I watch the video I see that the text along the left side kind of sliding left and right as the picture transitions from bright to dark(er). Is this what you're referring to? If so, I think you need to call Samsung, or your reseller. Even if I did have a fix to recommend I think they need to see this. On earlier Samsung sets this kind of problem was the result of a bad power supply (low voltage).

Give 'em a call, abd good luck!

Ishman

07-28-06, 07:57 PM

Does anybody have a working set of timings for a HTPC hooked up to the Samsung 3079?

Thanks
Marc

audiorecon

08-08-06, 11:40 AM

Does anybody have a working set of timings for a HTPC hooked up to the Samsung 3079?

Thanks
Marc

Any updates? Timings?

hurol

08-11-06, 04:38 AM

Hello fellow users,

I have had my samsung slimfit tv for two months now. I hope to fix the small bowing problems, thanks to the helpful hints on this forum.

My concern is more hardware-related. I detect a current leak when I touch the metal shields of any of the av/component/rf inputs of the tv with the ... (don't recall the english name, you know, the screwdriver with a small bulb that lights up when a current is present). I called an electrician, he told me a tv like mine does not even have a groundable plug and that current leaks are normal in such devices. I tried three different outlets, all well grounded, but same result. My old TV also lights up the pen, but I receive only a slight tingle from it.

A search over the internet also tells me that such tvs do not have access to absolute grounds and therefore may have as much as 50 V difference between the metal edges of their inputs and ground that I step on. I have not measured, but the shocks I get while connecting devices to those inputs are too small to indicate a 50 V difference.

I am wondering if any other slimfit users have got shocked like I did? I am wondering if the current leak could result from a capacaitor going bad. If that's the case, it could spell trouble in the long run.

Extra info: My TV gets its signal from a scart connected to a satellite receiver. That receiver's cable jack also leaks current when it is connected to the tv.

Best wishes for everyone,
Hurol Aslan from Mersin, Turkey.

justsc

08-11-06, 11:07 AM

hurol,

Welcome to AVS!

This is a new one for me. I have never heard of this before. You might also post your question in the Display Calibration section of AVS as there are pro calibrators and technicians that frequent that section and could possibly have some useful info for you.

Cheers!

Nevrona

08-15-06, 09:58 AM

I've had trouble with this set since purchased in January. It's been in the shop 3 times since then. After 2 weeks in the shop I finally get a call....it seems that Samsung is aware of a major problem with the sets and is sending out a replacement part that is causing most of the problems. The part is on back order due to the massive amounts of sets currently awaiting the fix.
It's a power supply part that is malfunctioning, which I suspected from the start...especially with the colored blob problem I was having. Hopefully the new part will fix most of the problems that people are having.
The repair shop knows this TV all too well and they seem thrilled that this could be the solution.
I'll let you know when, if ever the part comes in and the results.

315carter

08-15-06, 09:50 PM

Hello all. I'm picking up a used 3079 tomorrow. I've read this whole thread over the past couple of days so I'm sort of expecting the worst. Hopefully, with all the info here, I'll be able to make any necessary adjustment to justify my purchase (absolutely nowhere near retail).

justsc, I know you've been thanked a couple of times already for your help but I don't feel a couple of times is enough. As I said, I've read this entire thread and you're everywhere. On behalf of everyone whom you've helped even a little ... Thank You!. If you lived in the suburbs of Chicago I'd buy you a beer. I have a Syntax LT37HVS and there is someone (Kevin Anderson) on that thread who is a big help also. I did notice a couple of pages back that you were starting to get leery of making too many suggestions, though. Hopefully you might make an occaissional exception?

My TV is coming with nothing - no remote or manual. I've downloaded a user's manual from Samsungs website so that won't be a problem. I've also downloaded the service manual that was put up in this post - thanks to whoever that was, but what model was that for? I promise to write down what I find before messing with anything! :-)

My immediate concern is the lack of a remote. Can someone with a 3079 please tell me what the model number is for this TV's remote? I'll find one online somewhere, I'm sure. Or, does anyone know if a universal remote's key strokes would work the same? I don't have anything fancy like a Harmony but I have one that should at least be able to work the TV. I'm just wondering if I can get into the service menu and adjust settings with it.

I will try Blockbuster or my library for a calibration disc. If they don't have one I'll buy one but I've never gone into a service menu and made adjustments before. Is it the service menu that you go into to use the Avia disc or the regular menu?

Hukunamutata, Monoprice has a mechanical HDMI switch that will allow you to use two HDMI enabled devices when there is only one HDMI input. http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&style=
Thanks to Kevin Anderson for this.

I will be using this TV for OTA HD (Go Bears!) and watching DVDs mostly. I have an upscaling Samsung player (DVD-HD941) hooked up to my Syntax that is awesome. I'll be getting another upscaling player for this TV too.

As I said, I really don't know what type of shape this TV will be in. Thankfully this forum exists so that amateurs such as myself aren't going into the unknown totally ignorant, just inexperienced. I'm sure this will get frustrating at times but I'll have fun with it. I'll let you know how it goes. Maybe I'll get lucky!??!

Thanks again to everyone that has posted - especially you justsc.

Later.

315carter

08-15-06, 09:57 PM

Is this the Avia disc I might need?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/630551982X/ref=nosim/102-6889735-9464135?n=130

Thanks.

justsc

08-16-06, 11:18 AM

Hello all. I'm picking up a used 3079 tomorrow. I've read this whole thread over the past couple of days so I'm sort of expecting the worst. Hopefully, with all the info here, I'll be able to make any necessary adjustment to justify my purchase (absolutely nowhere near retail).

justsc, I know you've been thanked a couple of times already for your help but I don't feel a couple of times is enough. As I said, I've read this entire thread and you're everywhere. On behalf of everyone whom you've helped even a little ... Thank You!. If you lived in the suburbs of Chicago I'd buy you a beer. I have a Syntax LT37HVS and there is someone (Kevin Anderson) on that thread who is a big help also. I did notice a couple of pages back that you were starting to get leery of making too many suggestions, though. Hopefully you might make an occaissional exception?

My TV is coming with nothing - no remote or manual. I've downloaded a user's manual from Samsungs website so that won't be a problem. I've also downloaded the service manual that was put up in this post - thanks to whoever that was, but what model was that for? I promise to write down what I find before messing with anything! :-)
Thanks for such kind words. The next time I'm in Chicago I'll look you up for that beer. ;)

About the remote - could you provide me with the entire model number of your set? I'm thinking it's probably TX-P or TX-R, but I want to be sure. With that info I may be able to get you the model number for ordering the remote. BTW, I've had no trouble getting fairly inexpensive third party remotes to control my older Samsung set. The problem is they usually don't work with all the functions and that can get real frustrating. Plus, if at all possible, you really want the correct remote when working in the SM. Makes it much easier.

...I will try Blockbuster or my library for a calibration disc. If they don't have one I'll buy one but I've never gone into a service menu and made adjustments before. Is it the service menu that you go into to use the Avia disc or the regular menu?
You use Avia to calibrate the set through the user menu controls. Then, once that's done you can use the additional test patterns to make adjustments in the SM.

...I have an upscaling Samsung player (DVD-HD941) hooked up to my Syntax that is awesome. I'll be getting another upscaling player for this TV too.
This is a very good player. I originally tried the DVD-HD850 and was very disappointed. Lots of black crush. In the end I purchased the Oppo player, but this 941 is very nice.

As I said, I really don't know what type of shape this TV will be in. Thankfully this forum exists so that amateurs such as myself aren't going into the unknown totally ignorant, just inexperienced. I'm sure this will get frustrating at times but I'll have fun with it. I'll let you know how it goes. Maybe I'll get lucky!??!
Is there any way to evaluate this set up close and personal before laying out the cash? Better to be safe than sorry.

Congratulations on your new set and, above all, Have Fun! ;)

justsc

08-16-06, 11:24 AM

Is this the Avia disc I might need?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/630551982X/ref=nosim/102-6889735-9464135?n=130

Thanks.
Yup!

That's the one.

There are two others. One is DVE, a bit newer and a bit more oriented towards 16:9 displays. Avia is more than adequate for widescreen sets, but you have to work a touch harder because it's a little older and more oriented to 4:3 sets.

There's also the Sound & Vision Home Theater Tuneup. This was my first calibration dvd. It's absolutely the best for those getting started with tv calibration. It guides the user nicely through all the steps. It's got a great introduction and includes very helpful info on all adjustments in the user menu as well as for the test patterns used to adjust settings in the SM. It's just not quite as extensive as Avia or DVE. However, I've never come across a situation where the S&V Home Theater Tuneup wasn't up to the task. I still use it when I'm in a hurry or when I'm showing someone the value of the basic calibration.

Cheers!

315carter

08-16-06, 11:38 AM

Thanks justsc. It's a TX-R3079WH.

And is the Avia disc I linked to above the one I might need?

As for the cash layout, it really wasn't all that much, relatively speaking, so if I can get it working well enough for my not-so-dicriminating eye, I will consider it a bargain.

As I said before, it's not my prime TV. It's just replacing a very old JVC set in the corner of the basement that was my wife's grandmother's. It's so old it doesn't even have composite inputs! Still works, though. I also have an old Magnavox console TV that was my grandmother's that still works. Sort of sad. It's not plugged in or anything, just sitting in the basement. :-( I tried giving it to Amvets and the Salvation Army but they won't take it. Wish I knew a family that would like a TV (or 2) to use that's good enough just to plug into the wall and turn on. Oh well.

justsc

08-16-06, 12:12 PM

justsc

08-16-06, 02:33 PM

315carter,

I just heard back from my contact at Samsung. He says the part number for the remote for the TX-R3079WH is AA59-00356H. He suggested ordering from "samsungparts.com" or calling 1-800-627-4368 J&J parts.

Cheers!

nemyhlovecraft

08-17-06, 12:25 AM

Hi there,

I just bought a Samsung TXS-3082WH a couple of weeks ago and have been very happy with it. When I found out about the Service Menu I was ecstatic. I have followed a few walkthroughs here and there and have generally achieved a much more amazing picture with less overscanning and better colors. During my exploits, however, I noticed something weird. I shrunk the horizontal and vertical amplification to the minimum so that I could center the picture and I noticed two things. First of all the geometry on my picture was all sorts of wonky, but after much massaging I think I have happened upon something fairly acceptable (though I'd still appreciate some help on it). But secondly, and more worrisome, I noticed that the entire left border line of the image is this thick blurry bright line. After I had increase the size of the image to fill the screen, I noticed that this line bows in toward the center of the screen but was much less affected by the H Parabolic setting or the Bowing setting, so much so that to get it straight ment the entire rest of the screen was incorrectly aligned. I have increased the H Amp to such a point that most content is on the screen and you can't really see the bar, but I was wondering if this is something that can ever be fixed, or just even what it is.

Also, has anyone used the built-in test patterns to align their sets? Is it a lost cause or has anyone been successful?

Thanks in advance for any help

Sam

PS. I have already heard from people who seem to think I am meaning that this was a result of messing with the SM. I will repeat that it was a pre-existing condition, but that I did not notice it until I shrunk the screen. The reason for this was because the factory setting were giving some pretty severe overscan so about 4-5% of the picture on either side was not displayed.

Ikabob

08-17-06, 07:42 AM

SAM, I am really sorry you are having a problem. I, too, enjoy my 3082 a lot. However, I have been shying away from tampering with the SM, mainly because of stories like you have told. Since I am happy with the PQ that the set came with, why tamper with success.....my philosophy. I hope you kept a record of the original SM settings like others have warned. If so, perhaps you can just go back to those settings and recapture the PQ that the TV came with. Let us know Sam and GOOD LUCK.

Kontrollverlust

08-17-06, 08:35 PM

Has anyone had experience with the output jacks on the back of the TX-S3082? I am trying to run it to my receiver. I manage to get audio when I'm on composite or coax but when I'm running my Xbox 360 on component I get nothing! Any suggestions?

bigtosin2003

08-22-06, 07:36 PM

I noticed this thread has kind of died off, but I will take a shot at it anyways. So after several months of research and reading up on this line of TVs, I finally decided to pull the trigger on the TX-S3082. It was delivered earlier today and immediately out of the box, I noticed the bowing issues that so many people have commeneted about. I immediately took pictures of my default settings as I heard everyone echo over and over to make sure to keep the default settings. I then hopped into the SM and tried to make as many changes as possible. For the most part, I was able to get the image to a decent level. However one more problem still lies, when watching ESPN, or CNN or any station with scrolling text at the bottom of the screen, the words seem to fall down to the left as text scrolls. Sorry if that maybe hard to understand but essentially, the screen is higher on the right than it is on the left. I was wondering if anyone else had this same problem and even if thats not the case, can anyone think of anything that may be able to remedy this? So far the PQ is great compared to my 8 year old 20" apex. However, I watch a lot of sports and looking at the text falling off as it scrolls is something I just cannot bnring myself to deal with. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you.

geekformayor

08-22-06, 10:52 PM

So I have a TXR30 and an Xbox 360. For the most part.. everything looks great. However.. when it comes to smaller text in games (for instance the new game Dead Rising), sometimes it is hard to read. The text can be blurry to the point of not being able to read it at all.
I have tried to adjust settings with the TV, but nothing seems to be working. The Xbox 360 is definitely switched to HDTV mode. So I'm not sure what's wrong..

Again.. it's only small text that is considerably blurrier than I would expect. Any one have any thoughts?

Josh7289

08-22-06, 11:03 PM

geekformayor, this may explain your text problems, even though it mostly applies to 480i TVs:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/17/capcom-offers-diy-fixes-for-dead-rising-text-issues/

Hope it helps some.

geekformayor

08-22-06, 11:10 PM

unfortunately im already doing all those things..

JSWbBk

08-23-06, 10:38 AM

I bought a TX-R3079WH 30" Slim-Fit CRT from Circuit City in Union Sq., NYC back in Nov 2005. It is my first HDTV and I'm very happy with it. The detailed discussions of this forum have been very helpful and I find I have had many experiences similar to those of other members.

YES ... I did smell burning dust for the first few days and thought the thing would burst into flames at some point.

Yes, my set makes a horrible, loud noise when you turn it on, kinda like a Van De Graaff generator powering up in an old Universal movie.

Yes, I had to return the first set they gave me because the chassis was all ripped open, like the thing had fallen off a truck a few times and bounced down a hill on its corners.

Yes, I do from time to time notice hideous purple blobs in the lower left or upper right hand corners, mostly while I'm staring at the gray screen for 1.5 seconds every time I change the channel or video input source. I can redistribute these blobs using the "tilt" adjustment, but I cannot eliminate them.

Yes, I do sometimes see a yellow "stain" in the upper right-hand quadrant of the screen when watching B&W movies. Looks as if the movie were projected on an old screen with a big urine stain on it.

No, I have not noticed any bowing of vertical (or horizontal) lines. (So far.)

But, overall, I am happy with the TV. If I could change anything about it, I would add some extra HDMI inputs and get rid of useless analog ones. Perhaps we could get rid of the purple blobs and yellow stain? Also, I wish the thing weighed less, but I like to think of its 120 lbs as "theft deterrent".

I use it with a Sony STR-DG800 (HDMI) A/V Receiver, two Sony DVD CX995V DVD players each with a 400-DVD carousel loaded with horror movies (one upconverted through HDMI; the other not, through component video), Xbox 360, and OTA NYC stations by way of a Terk HDTVi un-amplified indoor antenna.

The Samsung tuner is so good, I cancelled my TWC cable subscription when I saw I could get crystal-clear broadcast stations with just a flimsy little antenna.

markymark0612

08-23-06, 11:11 AM

Jedah Doma

08-23-06, 10:27 PM

Well, this is my first post here. I've been enjoying the wealth of information provided on this site. I've only been lurking around here for the past week or so and already I know more then I ever could have possibly found out in a book or at a store. Kudos to all the members for all the information.

So, here's my first question. I saw a 27" Samsung Slimfit TV for $488 at Sam's Club (I know, not the best place for TV shopping), but it seemed like a good deal considering the size and features.

Is this as good of a model as the others and what do you think about this price. It seems like a good deal, but I wanted to get the opinions of the educated folks here. Thanks for any help in advance.

Paul210

08-23-06, 10:45 PM

So, here's my first question. I saw a 27" Samsung Slimfit TV for $488 at Sam's Club (I know, not the best place for TV shopping), but it seemed like a good deal considering the size and features...

Not sure about the TV, but don't underestimate buying a TV at Sam's Club. They are VERY popular for electronics because they have an awesome return policy. It's pretty much 'no questions asked'. If you don't like it, return it.

Paul

Jedah Doma

08-23-06, 10:48 PM

Not sure about the TV, but don't underestimate buying a TV at Sam's Club. They are VERY popular for electronics because they have an awesome return policy. It's pretty much 'no questions asked'. If you don't like it, return it.

Paul

Yea, and $488 is one hell of a deal seeing as the next cheapest (that I saw) was at Circuit City for $599.

markymark0612

08-24-06, 02:10 AM

help i need help please

sboyer

08-24-06, 02:59 AM

Yes, it's a great buy. circuit city and best buy had sales on this unit in june for around $550.

markymark0612

08-24-06, 09:38 AM

okay that was fine. big thanks
caoi

justsc

08-24-06, 04:06 PM

hello, im new here and i am from germany.
my english isnt very god. :rolleyes:
but i have a question
can anywere post his settings in the service menü of 1080i
my geomtry ad 1080i is not very god.
i need the defults or good settings @ 1080i
most the v position settings an the trapezius settings
i hopfe you can understand my text.
caoi marky
Welcome to AVS!

I would have replied sooner but I don't have this model.

Your english is just fine - I'm sure everyone understands your problem, but this model is new and many haven't even ventured into the service menu. I have an older Samsung set and it had a number of sections in the SM. I understand that newer sets have more settings at the "root" level. Maybe you haven't received more feedback because folks need a little more information about which settings you need the most.

Also, please keep in mind that each and every crt set has unique SM settings. These are analog devices and as such each one has its own values to achieve good picture quality. I've seen it happen often that folks use settings from another tv, just like the one they have, and the picture looks awful. So please do be careful when using settings from another tv.

Cheers!

markymark0612

08-24-06, 04:17 PM

Welcome to AVS!

I would have replied sooner but I don't have this model.

Your english is just fine - I'm sure everyone understands your problem, but this model is new and many haven't even ventured into the service menu. I have an older Samsung set and it had a number of sections in the SM. I understand that newer sets have more settings at the "root" level. Maybe you haven't received more feedback because folks need a little more information about which settings you need the most.

Also, please keep in mind that each and every crt set has unique SM settings. These are analog devices and as such each one has its own values to achieve good picture quality. I've seen it happen often that folks use settings from another tv, just like the one they have, and the picture looks awful. So please do be careful when using settings from another tv.

Cheers!

ok i understand, very big thanks :) :)

Trashie

08-29-06, 03:03 PM

obiwankenobi77

08-29-06, 04:28 PM

There have been a couple of posts about what different settings in the Service Menu control but does anyone have a full list? There are a couple in the DEFLECTION menu that seem to do nothing (the ones toward the bottom) and there are others that difficult to control.

Sort of a holy grail, I know.

My main issue I'm trying to fix is a "fish-eye" effect on the far left and right of the screen. The image gets squished there.

Thanks!

Try this link here (http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/SM/200507/20050708154431015_S62A-aadj-3.pdf)

It has pictures that show what many of the settings in the deflection menu control.

Trashie

08-29-06, 04:57 PM

Try this link - edited.
It has pictures that show what many of the settings in the deflection menu control.

Thanks! That's a good start and I've seen that link elsewhere on this forum. I was hoping for somethign a bit more user friendly but I guess that's why they call it the service menu instead of the user menu.

shaftr

08-29-06, 10:32 PM

I've been the owner of the 3079 model for about 5 months now. As soon as I got it I was relieved to find that I wasn't having any geometry issues. The only issue I had was an occasional buzzing sound when the set was on. It wasn't that bad, something that you could easily ignore.

Anyways, earlier this week I noticed a blue/purple shading on the top right corner. It is on the top edge for a few inches and the right edge down for a few inches. It makes a perfect right angle. Now, it isn't awful but noticeable on an opaque screen. Yet, I don't notice it on an empty video input. Is there anyway I can correct this problem or should I call samsung?

Thanks.

hrodwulf

08-30-06, 04:57 PM

justsc

08-30-06, 05:23 PM

I've just finished reading the first 20 pages of this thread and found it very informative. I must confess I was somewhat disappointed with the issues my TV had:

- The bowing is there although not that noticeable if you're not looking for it.

- I notice the picture gets cut-off on the sides when I'm using Xbox360 on either 720p or 1080i, but not on 480p or 480i. This cut-off is what I've seen being referred to as Overscan, right?

- Also I notice the picture stretches and widens according to how bright or contrast the picture is, is this what's referred to as Overscan Bounce? The brighter the picture less cut-off at the sides, and the darker the picture more cut-off. For example, playing Oblivion and inside a dungeon, when I look at a torch, the picture gets reduced horizontally and when I keep rotating to look at a dark alley, the picture widens; a very annoying effect.

After reading almost half of the thread, I think I'll have to try using the Custom settings and bring the contrast waaay down to avoid the Overscan Bounce, but since there's still cut-off at the sides, I might need to get into the SM eventually...

BTW a friend of mine recommended using the THX calibration tests on some DVDs such as Moulin Rouge or Star Wars. It has some pretty basic contrast/brightness and paterns test for detecting geometry issues.

I'll keep checking this thread and post later any of my progress with the TV...
Welcome to AVS!

Is your set widescreen or 4:3? I see it's called a 32" set, but 32" internationally, usually means 30" widescreen here.

I believe what you're describing is overscan, and also overscan bounce. Nice job troubleshooting. Overscan bounce can be the result of too much contrast or a faulty power supply. You are correct in deciding to change your picture set-up to Custom. Was it on Vivid before? That's an awful picture mode.

The THX calibration s/w is usually just for the movie on that particular dvd. They do a great job of helping the customer get the best picture quality for that movie, but those settings won't apply well to other movies, because they don't conform to a standard. Calibration dvds like Avia and DVE are for getting one's set to comply to NTSC standards. Once there, then users can adjust to taste. I highly recommend either one. Gamers can tend to have more exacting requirements than those just watching tv. These calibration dvds are especially critical for gamers.

So, yes - use Custom, keep Contrast between 50-55%, Brightness around 55-60 (lower if possible), Color around 40, Tint near 50/50 and Sharpness as low as you can tolerate. When you get your calibration dvd you can then get the set adjusted much more accurately.

Enjoy!

hrodwulf

08-30-06, 07:28 PM

Welcome to AVS!

Is your set widescreen or 4:3? I see it's called a 32" set, but 32" internationally, usually means 30" widescreen here.

I believe what you're describing is overscan, and also overscan bounce. Nice job troubleshooting. Overscan bounce can be the result of too much contrast or a faulty power supply. You are correct in deciding to change your picture set-up to Custom. Was it on Vivid before? That's an awful picture mode.

The THX calibration s/w is usually just for the movie on that particular dvd. They do a great job of helping the customer get the best picture quality for that movie, but those settings won't apply well to other movies, because they don't conform to a standard. Calibration dvds like Avia and DVE are for getting one's set to comply to NTSC standards. Once there, then users can adjust to taste. I highly recommend either one. Gamers can tend to have more exacting requirements than those just watching tv. These calibration dvds are especially critical for gamers.

So, yes - use Custom, keep Contrast between 50-55%, Brightness around 55-60 (lower if possible), Color around 40, Tint near 50/50 and Sharpness as low as you can tolerate. When you get your calibration dvd you can then get the set adjusted much more accurately.

Enjoy!

Oh my TV is widescreen. I haven't really meassured the TV so I'm just going on by what Samsung says (and from what I've read on this thread, it's usually not that accurate, hehe). BTW it cost me about $1000 USD with a Samsung base (I didn't even know it came with one...).

Yeah I was using Vivid (I think it's called Dynamic on my set, it's the brightest one) mode for picture because it was what reduced the overscan, but I wasn't aware it made overscan bounce worse. Also after reading about the possible burn-in, I'l definitely go with Custom now. Another question I had on this regard: does it make any difference in performance or possible side effects to use Cool, Normal or Warm color temperatures?

Thanks for the suggestions!

justsc

08-31-06, 01:30 PM

Oh my TV is widescreen. I haven't really meassured the TV so I'm just going on by what Samsung says (and from what I've read on this thread, it's usually not that accurate, hehe). BTW it cost me about $1000 USD with a Samsung base (I didn't even know it came with one...).

Yeah I was using Vivid (I think it's called Dynamic on my set, it's the brightest one) mode for picture because it was what reduced the overscan, but I wasn't aware it made overscan bounce worse. Also after reading about the possible burn-in, I'l definitely go with Custom now. Another question I had on this regard: does it make any difference in performance or possible side effects to use Cool, Normal or Warm color temperatures?

Thanks for the suggestions!
Use whichever color temperature looks best to you. Many enjoy using Neutral or Normal, and many others prefer Warm, or Warm1 depending on the manufacturer. Some say that the Warm mode is closest to the NTSC standard. I prefer Neutral or Normal.

Enjoy!

hrodwulf

08-31-06, 02:49 PM

Overscan bounce can be the result of too much contrast or a faulty power supply.

I've gotten into the SM and fixed the prevalent Overscan and slightly reduced other bowing issues, but I'm still getting Overscan bounce... I've even put contrast as low as 40 and it's still there. When you say it could be due to a faulty power supply... do you mean faulty hardware or that I might be plugging the TV and it's not getting enough power? Could this issue be corrected by itself once the TV 'settles' after a while?

I might as well have to call Samsung... :(

justsc

08-31-06, 06:01 PM

I've gotten into the SM and fixed the prevalent Overscan and slightly reduced other bowing issues, but I'm still getting Overscan bounce... I've even put contrast as low as 40 and it's still there. When you say it could be due to a faulty power supply... do you mean faulty hardware or that I might be plugging the TV and it's not getting enough power? Could this issue be corrected by itself once the TV 'settles' after a while?

I might as well have to call Samsung... :(
Maybe you could try to describe (again) what you are seeing that we're calling overscan bounce. Just to be sure we're attacking the right thing.

You could take contrast even lower but the picture might become too dark to enjoy. Try it at 33-35 and see what happens.

Since you've been into the SM, you might as well adjust scan velocity modulation as well. This is called VM LEVEL in the SM, and it's for edge enhancement. Try setting it to "0" and see if that helps. If not, return it to the default value. The Sharpness control also controls edge enhancement to some degree, so keep it very low too.

I was referring to the internal power supply of the tv. However, inconsistent power can also contribute to this. In fact, some have gone so far as to add power cleaners and uninterruptible power supplies and found many problems were fixed.

And, yes, oftentimes many problems can tend to get better as the tv settles in. I realize that's not a very technical explanation, but the result is the same. So often we rush to fix problems, when a little patience may have been just what the Dr ordered.

Good Luck and please report back. ;)

superkona

09-05-06, 12:22 AM

justsc

09-05-06, 11:08 AM

American in Malaysia here, I just ordered the CS-32Z30HE - less than 600 USD. I did not see any of the bowing problems mentioned here but will go back to the store (senQ) this afternoon and look a bit more.

My question is what US model is equal to this set?

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_slash_ctv_slash_ws_32z30he.ayesspee

Happy to find this forum! Thanks in advance. Have a super burrito for me, can't gettem in this country!
This would be equivalent to a 30" widescreen slimfit here in the states. This has no integrated ATSC (digital) tuner, so it's called "HD Ready." And it has no digital interface (HDMI/DVI). So, this would compare to one of the earlier SlimFit sets here. If HDMI and or DVI hasn't become a standard yet in SE Asia then it could be newer.

superkona

09-05-06, 12:29 PM

thanks! i went to the shop today and low and behold - wavy lines on the display model towards the middle of the screen. Bringing up the volume meter clearly showed the bowing.

I talked to my salesman and showed it to him, he said he could see it, but not until I pointed it out. I wanted to make sure if by chance my set has the same problem when it arrives that they would either fix it or exchange - he said yes.

I also emailed a local rep from samsung and they confirmed if there is a problem that their tech cannot fix they will "make it right" either through an exchange or upgrade.

This set is actually manufactured about 10 minutes from where I live in Seremban so getting support should be easier than most.

There are not HD broadcasts yet in Malaysia, all the slimfit sets are HD ready only to my knowledge.

This set is my only option for a widescreen crt out here, no matter how much I try to like the LCDs I don't think it looks good...

Kyrin

09-05-06, 06:56 PM

As a Slimfit owner, I feel I should throw in my experience here, so that people know what they're getting into. I purchased a Sammy 3079 back around April-ish. This was after a debacle involving a Viewsonic 32" LCD with some of the most a**tastic ghosting and black levels ever.

So after deciding that my budget (1k) could not possibly afford an LCD TV with the performance I required, I decided to go with the Slimfit since even a mid quality HD CRT is still better than a low quality LCD (of which there are many), and my previous TV, a Sammy 25" old school non HD CRT had been good to me for so long, I gave them the benefit of the doubt.

After unboxing and testing, I noticed 2 major problems with it. The first was a high pitched whine. Not the normal CRT whine, this was more pronounced and louder, and gave me and my girlfriend headaches. The other problem was blacks would have green all throughout them sometimes.

So I bit the bullet and put in a service call in late July, as I was just too busy to find the time sooner. About a week later we had a tech on his way. On the first call, the tech came out while I wasn't home, and my gf told me that he went into the SM and tweaked the colors more, turned down green drive, but didn't do anything else. Apparently he even used Avia to do it, so kudos to him. During this, it started whining again, so to fix the whine, he just whacked the front of the CRT, which caused it to stop temporarily. He then declared "yeah, your picture tube is shot", and filed it accordingly. Samsung declared that they first wanted replacement of all the internal electronics of the set. About 3 weeks later, I got a call from the service place, the parts had finally arrived.

Hopeful that it would magically fix everything, I watched as the tech opened up the TV and replaced every piece of electronics that wasn't the tube itself. Upon turning the set on again, the green was worse than ever before, and it still whined. So this is where I stand now. This was about 1.5 weeks ago. The tech told me that Samsung would contact me about replacement of the set, but I haven't heard from them yet. I put in a call to them today and they informed me that it's moved to their exchange department, and would be replaced, though they have yet to specify a timeframe. The good news is that I'll likely be getting a 3082 in exchange, as they don't swap in the 3079s due to all the problems they had. Hilariously enough, after replacing all the parts inside, the TV now has magnetic distortion and sometimes the purple splotches in the corners where it previously never had any, so it could be the electronics of the TV causing those. It's been degaussed several times and still shows up occasionally, with no mag fields nearby (prior to replacement of those parts it never once had this), so for all I know it could be fixable via the SM, but remember that going into that voids your warranty if they find out, which is your best ally if you just purchased one of these.

So I approach my impending replacement with trepidation. On the one hand, anything is better than often green blacks (it's not *that* bad as to make things unwatchable, mind you, but still annoying for having just paid 750 in April for a brand new TV). On the other hand, I worry about further geometry issues and other craziness that people have reported.

I'll try to repost here once I get the 3082 to report how it looks.

As far as picture quality, it's tough to call on this one due to the shadow mask on my TV being hosed. I guess I've never actually had proper picture from my TV. There is significant red push and bleed from the TV, and I don't recommend buying this TV if you're a PQ freak that's afraid to go into his SM, as by default, mine bled like a trauma unit.

Samsung customer support has been unresponsive on this, but I don't blame them. I work for a tech support call center (not yet outsourced heh...), and these jobs are hell, because everyone's mad, and they take it out on you, and they're generally understaffed, overworked, and underpaid. So please, I implore all of you, if you do call customer support, realize that the person on the other end of the phone is not the enemy. They probably really do want to help you, and abusing them is really mean and unmerited, and these people don't get paid nearly enough to take sh** from you just because you risked buying a TV with a spotty rep. I'm guessing that they've got a backlog of tickets a mile long and don't have the capacity to do proper followup (like every other call center on the planet), so my recommendation would be to keep good lines of communication open with them by calling in and not expecting them to do *all* the legwork. If you expect more, maybe you should remember the old adage that you really do get what you pay for. At the very least, be thankful that Sammy customer support hasn't been outsourced yet, because nothing says fun like calling an outsourced call center with a script kiddie who refuses to do anything about your problem because the script says there's nothing wrong, and those guys don't budge.

If a scenario like this sounds deplorable, then I recommend steering clear of this TV. I'm a very patient person, I know how to work the system, and I'm technically savvy enough to make the TV do my bidding, and I don't need this fixed ASAP for the big game or because I spend all my time in front of the TV. If you want a TV that has a high chance of being perfect out of the box, stay away. If you don't want to talk to customer support and deal with possible technician calls, also stay away.

If you're patient, find a store with the good return policy (and can carry the heavy lugger back and forth if a return is necessary), know how to work a SM (and by work one, I mean to say "know how not to break the TV, and remember to write down the settings"), and are on a strict budget, it might be the set for you. Might be.

I'll report back once I get my 3082 and tune it out to compare the two and throw in my $.02 on the geometry issues, dot pitch, and color levels. Ironically enough, even after this I don't hate Samsung. Yeah they've been slow, yeah my first one was a complete lemon, but they haven't actively tried to screw me on this by forcing me to keep it, which I count as a positive, and hey, I got 1080i for 750. Life could be much worse.

scsb

09-06-06, 04:21 AM

Try this link
[link to service menu description]

It has pictures that show what many of the settings in the deflection menu control.

Has anybody the same for WS32Z409P?
Thanks in advance for any reply

MarkLiquorman

09-06-06, 10:29 AM

I bought my 27" TX-R2779H in February 2006. In July, I started having a problem in which if I turned the TV off, it wouldn't come back on. After a couple of trips after having been sent the wrong board, the local service center informed me that the replacement boards for that TV were no longer available, and they would have to do a board-level repair on it!

I find this to be totally unacceptable. I rely on the supposedly good name of what I thought was a reputable company, and they don't even stock replacement parts to handle warrantee repairs! Oh yes, and did I mention it took me a month to finally talk to someone in their "Executive Customer Relations" department, after several phone calls and being promised that someone would call me back. And then that person knew nothing about TVs.

I know I'll never buy another Samsung product.

justsc

09-06-06, 12:05 PM

...So I bit the bullet and put in a service call in late July, as I was just too busy to find the time sooner. About a week later we had a tech on his way. On the first call, the tech came out while I wasn't home, and my gf told me that he went into the SM and tweaked the colors more, turned down green drive, but didn't do anything else. Apparently he even used Avia to do it, so kudos to him. During this, it started whining again, so to fix the whine, he just whacked the front of the CRT, which caused it to stop temporarily. He then declared "yeah, your picture tube is shot", and filed it accordingly. Samsung declared that they first wanted replacement of all the internal electronics of the set. About 3 weeks later, I got a call from the service place, the parts had finally arrived....
Great story and excellent perspective. :)

One piece of advice - do your best to give the replacement set a rigorous "burn-in" period to detect any infant mortality. Run it hard. By burn-in I don't mean wreck the phosphors, just use it as much as possible. Because, if run hard, major problems will usually show-up early on. This will give you the opportunity to use the 30 day exchange period if needed.

The requirements of hard core gamers usually exceed those of the home theater variety. In truth, the best crts for gaming are computer monitors, but they don't work well in the also-needed home theater environment. It sounds like you have reasonable expectations, and that's a good start.

Best of Luck! ;)

={<SMOKE>}=

09-06-06, 05:59 PM

My story is similar to Kyrin's except that I received my replacement 3082 this past Saturday. The bowing is still there... the distortion that existed on the right side of my 3079 is gone, however. Not really sure what i'm going to do at this point. At first, I felt content with the 3082 and was going to let it be, but last night I was watching a 2.35:1 dvd (I refuse to stretch the image) and the crookedness of the bottom black bar was driving me crazy.

At this point, I would probably only accept an LCD replacement from Samsung. I have never seen a Samsung Slimfit that does not have these geometry issues and that's not for a lack of trying--i've checked every model in every store I've ever been in that carries them. However, I'd imagine i'd have to shell out more money in order to upgrade to an LCD that is of relatively the same size and has close to the same features... and i'm not sure i'm willing to do that. If you guys are interested, i'll keep you posted.

justsc

09-07-06, 11:14 AM

315carter

09-08-06, 04:50 AM

We really need a Samsung Service Codes thread like the one KenTech set-up for the Sony sets. I know I've read a boatload of SM successes on all kinds of geometry problems over the last year or two, but I can never remember who the poster was...

I'm going to initiate a thread calling for SM successes with Samsung sets, SlimFit or otherwise.

justsc, please let us know if you start that service code thread or find one.

I got my 3079 plugged in the other day and the picture was way overscanned. The universal remote I had only worked to turn the set on/off, change channels and volume. I have a replacement ordered. Once that arrives the first thing I'll need to do (after taking a digiphoto of the as found settings) is get into the service menu to get the picture shrunk so that all of it is on the screen. I'll make further adjustments after that.

Any particular order I should tackle these changes in? I mean getting the whole picture on the screen first makes the most sense to me. Then I'll make sure to set it to "Custom". After that ... ??? Have any of you that have done major tweaking in the past come up with a sensible, prescribed order of adjusting the settings that seems to work well without having to go back and recheck everything you've already changed if you make an additional adjustment? That sure would help! Thanks.

justsc

09-08-06, 11:48 AM

justsc, please let us know if you start that service code thread or find one.

I got my 3079 plugged in the other day and the picture was way overscanned. The universal remote I had only worked to turn the set on/off, change channels and volume. I have a replacement ordered. Once that arrives the first thing I'll need to do (after taking a digiphoto of the as found settings) is get into the service menu to get the picture shrunk so that all of it is on the screen. I'll make further adjustments after that.

Any particular order I should tackle these changes in? I mean getting the whole picture on the screen first makes the most sense to me. Then I'll make sure to set it to "Custom". After that ... ??? Have any of you that have done major tweaking in the past come up with a sensible, prescribed order of adjusting the settings that seems to work well without having to go back and recheck everything you've already changed if you make an additional adjustment? That sure would help! Thanks.
I started that new thread yesterday. Apart from my one SM post, there have been no other SM success stories added yet. I may have to painstakingly go through the Samsung threads and locate the folks who've posted great tips in the past, but that will take awhile.

Order? The very first thing I would do is set the picture mode to Custom right away. The Dynamic mode is so harsh, and the associated level of Contrast can shorten the life of the phosphors. Do that first. Then check if you even need to adjust the picture parameters. If so, that could be second. You really do need a calibration dvd to calibrate the set properly. Once the set is consistent with NTSC standards, then you can adjust to taste.

moordread

09-08-06, 04:41 PM

Hello board I have been reading through the multitude of threads and havent found any solid answers for this question. I just puchased a Samsung Slimfit 27" TV with the built in HD tuner. I knew this was the tv I wanted as it is the most fantastic clarity. I recieved a unit with no bowing at all in the geometry but the left side corners have a little bit of black to them. On Samsungs website they suggest unplugging the tv and plugging it back in. They also recommend trying to turn the tv on then off, leave it an hour and try again. I assume this is because the degauss is automatic when you turn the tv on. The black areas are contained to the corners and if i change the ratio to 16:9 for widescreen you cant see them. I however dont care for widescreen. I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem and found a fix for it. Not sure if over time the blackness will go away as it finally degausses itself. Any help will be appreciated. -Moor-

nadus

09-14-06, 02:59 PM

justsc

09-14-06, 03:29 PM

So I'm considering buying the 30" slimfit from Best Buy, but searching online and in this thread it seems like there are a lot of quality problems with this set. It seems like everyone has something go bad after about 6 months. What do you guys think, is it worth purchasing, or should I look for something else?
Samsung seems to have resolved most of the problems and the 3082 model is faring much better.

Please keep in mind that forums like this one, and the complaints here, represent a tiny group compared to all of the purchases made. Forums like these are for enthusiasts and those looking for answers for the most part. Most owners know nothing about forums.

Even here the problems that plagued earlier SlimFit models are not so evident on the 3082 model. If I were in the market for a 30" crt set I'd buy it. You might also consider JVC. I really don't know who else is marketing 30" HD sets.

jojogabosh

09-16-06, 10:03 AM

After spending some time at BB on Friday and looking at the big and expensive plasmas, lcds, dlps, lcos I don't feel to upset that I bought the TX-R3079WH this past spring. Granted it does have some geometry and bowing issues, but the PQ is very good. I know that the PQ of sets on display at BB are probable not as good as they will be once you have them at home, but most of the expensive sets did not impress me. I certainly would like a bigger screen, but until the price of the bigger sets fall I can't justify buying one. I thought this set was giving me headaches, but if I paid over $2000 for a set and it displayed like some of them at BB I would be having an aneursym.

InfiniteForce

09-17-06, 02:12 PM

Samsung seems to have resolved most of the problems and the 3082 model is faring much better.

Please keep in mind that forums like this one, and the complaints here, represent a tiny group compared to all of the purchases made. Forums like these are for enthusiasts and those looking for answers for the most part. Most owners know nothing about forums.

Even here the problems that plagued earlier SlimFit models are not so evident on the 3082 model. If I were in the market for a 30" crt set I'd buy it. You might also consider JVC. I really don't know who else is marketing 30" HD sets.

Music to my ears. Anyway, I've lurked here a while and have finally joined. Here's my situation:

About 35 days ago, I purchased the Sanyo 30" HD CRT (model WT54706 I think). PQ was great, and with some basic THX Optimizer adjustments I got it looking good. Then three days ago, it suddenly dies with a really loud clicking sound. After unplugging it and replugging it in and trying to turn it on, there would be a slight crackling, hissing, (degaussing?) sound and then nothing, it wouldn't actually turn on. I don't believe power surge was an issue as I'm running a 3500 joule surge protector and all my other equipment works normally. So that means it was a defective TV. I got my money back from Wallymart since neither of the stores in my area could replace it (not that I'd want to).

I knew there were risks involved in that model, but I took a chance anyway. But I'm not really into dealing with the hassle again, as me and a friend had to lug my old 32" 4:3 TV down the stairs and out, and then had to lug the Sanyo in and then out to return it.

I've read up heavily on the 3082 model, and I've been to stores as well. I like it, and I absolutely need a WS TV with a minimum of 2 component and 1 HDMI, which this TV meets and exceeds. I'm almost dead set on getting it, since, even if I got a bad one, it's lighter and thinner so returning it in my car won't be a huge hassle like a big size CRT. The salesman I spoke to was even willing to ship it free if I opted for that instead of taking it in my car.

So, I have a couple questions, and any help would be HUGELY appreciated:

1. The model I'm looking at is the 3082WH model, is there a difference between it and the 3082W?

2. With an afternoon of Avia calibration (after a 100 hour period of course), what are my odds of a satisfying and crisp picture?

3. While my real nitpick is high PQ DVD watching, I'll also be running an XBOX 360 on the machine. I've heard of the blurryness in these types near the edges, but will it be so bad that' it'll be unplayable, or will Avia help me?

4. I'm paying 200-300 more than the Sanyo, and getting not much else beyond an additional HDMI and a less deep and lighter TV. What I'm really willing to pay extra for is (what I hope) is greater reliability and a product that won't die in a month. Am I getting that?

moordread

09-17-06, 04:57 PM

I have a 27" slimfit model and I love it, it had no geometry issues but it had dark spots in each of the corners. It seems after a couple weeks the spots have faded to non noticable. The picture is so clear that its like seeing through a window. I would recommend one of these newer model sets to anyone in the market hands down.

InfiniteForce

09-18-06, 11:08 AM

Suhaib

09-18-06, 09:39 PM

InfiniteForce

09-18-06, 11:34 PM

Suhaib

09-19-06, 12:25 AM

yeah, the crt market isn't so great now. this resolution decrease is a big enough nuisance to steer me away, but i have to say, from a few feet back, the sets look pretty good.

Ikabob

09-19-06, 09:16 AM

I'll report back once I get my 3082 and tune it out to compare the two and throw in my $.02 on the geometry issues, dot pitch, and color levels. Ironically enough, even after this I don't hate Samsung. Yeah they've been slow, yeah my first one was a complete lemon, but they haven't actively tried to screw me on this by forcing me to keep it, which I count as a positive, and hey, I got 1080i for 750. Life could be much worse.

Kyrin....I am still waiting to hear your UPDATE about your 3082. I have the 3082 and I really find it very good. The SPQ is very nice and the HDPQ is excellent in my opinion. So far I am very satified with my selection of the Samsung 3082. I must say though that the 3082 I have right now is the second one...the 1st was returned because it went totally OUT (could not turn on) after about 1 week. But I still have faith . I tried a Toshiba but the PQ was terrible so I took a chance and went back to a new 3082. And , as I have said, I like it VERY much....I just hope it does not go out like the 1st one. Also. HHGregg was very cooperative . So , Kryin, any updates yet???

lilevil

09-19-06, 11:17 AM

I just bought an OTA HD indoor antenna (an RCA ANT1250) Connected to my slimfit 3082. But the signal strength in the channel menu is grayed out. I tried changing the channel using the instructions ( like hit 7 - 1) But it looks like it goes back to 7. Checked antenna web for stations i should get and they show up but i think it would be easier to see a signal strength. Any tips?

InfiniteForce

09-19-06, 11:39 AM

Kyrin....I am still waiting to hear your UPDATE about your 3082. I have the 3082 and I really find it very good. The SPQ is very nice and the HDPQ is excellent in my opinion. So far I am very satified with my selection of the Samsung 3082. I must say though that the 3082 I have right now is the second one...the 1st was returned because it went totally OUT (could not turn on) after about 1 week. But I still have faith . I tried a Toshiba but the PQ was terrible so I took a chance and went back to a new 3082. And , as I have said, I like it VERY much....I just hope it does not go out like the 1st one. Also. HHGregg was very cooperative . So , Kryin, any updates yet???

You seem satisfied, so the resolution decrease on the sides isn't bad for you?

I'll be using the TV for gaming periodically, so text resolution loss is unacceptable for me.

Basically, as much as I want this TV, $700 is too much to spend on something that doesn't give absolute satisfaction or a near-absolute guarantee of working.

I can't stomach another return or TV dying after the Sanyo debacle, I'd much rather just get a reliable 32" Sony 4:3 that'll last me for a few years until I get my Master's degree and get a job where I can afford a high end HD TV. I dealt with watching Widescreen DVD's on a 4:3 for all my life with no problem, as I have a great surround system so as long as sound and picture is crisp and great, I can deal with a non-HD 4:3 monitor. They make them so much better than they did in 1997 when I got my last one, that I think I'll see a dramatic difference even though it's just an SDTV. My last one had no component inputs, lacked a 3-Line digital comb filter, and was not a flatscreen FD Trinitron monitor, and widescreen viewing modes built in, all of which the Sony I want has.

I've got no problem shelling it out for the Samsung, but for $200 more I'm trading reliability for perceived quality, but with the resolution and geometry issues inherent in the model versus the benefits of 16:9, HD, and HDMI inputs it's more or less a push: watching a higher quality monitor, but with defects I won't get in an SDTV.

Kyrin

09-19-06, 03:44 PM

Great story and excellent perspective. :)

One piece of advice - do your best to give the replacement set a rigorous "burn-in" period to detect any infant mortality. Run it hard. By burn-in I don't mean wreck the phosphors, just use it as much as possible. Because, if run hard, major problems will usually show-up early on. This will give you the opportunity to use the 30 day exchange period if needed.

The requirements of hard core gamers usually exceed those of the home theater variety. In truth, the best crts for gaming are computer monitors, but they don't work well in the also-needed home theater environment. It sounds like you have reasonable expectations, and that's a good start.

Best of Luck! ;)

Thanks. And yeah, I'm both a hardcore gamer and a home theater lover, on a shoestring budget (all my money goes to games and hardware, heh...), so I'm in a tough position. When I get my replacement I'm going to put it through its paces and post here what I find, as I'm trying to provide the most accurate picture of my experience to everyone here so they can decide accordingly. Maybe I'm being overly patient with Samsung, but I do have a lot of faith that a new set will alleviate the problems I'm having, and you can be sure it'll get quite the workout (if for no reason other than I've had a half working set for months, and I've got a backlog of games to play with the quality I've been craving since I bought it in April).

And yeah, I would love a computer monitor for my gaming needs, but a computer LCD panel, though it would have great response time and black level, would cost much more than a comparably sized TV, and I don't really want to play my shiny new games on a 20" screen, heh.

Kyrin

09-19-06, 03:51 PM

Ikabob

09-19-06, 04:10 PM

Suhaib

09-20-06, 12:11 AM

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You know, they have this set hooked up to a 360 at most bestbuys, so check it out there first hand to see if you would like it. Right now, I'm leaning on the xbr970. It will be huge, but I won't plan on upgrading until new generation plasma\lcd or any new tech are avail and affordable.

mrwumpus

09-20-06, 02:20 PM

I've been following this thread since buying a TX-S2782H last week from CC for $554 out the door (bought online using 10% off coupon). We bought it because it had the best picture in its price range. My last TV was a 36" Toshiba CRT from five years ago. Here are my limited impressions so far.

The good: DVD picture looks excellent (I'm using component) on my cheapy Toshiba player that doesn't even do progressive scan. Color is especially vivid. I'll be testing HDTV signals later this week.

Nice, small size for a CRT means I can carry up the stairs myself. Hopefully I won't have to carry back down for a return!

The bad: Yellowish and red color distortions in upper left and right corners. I've turned it off/on several times, left it unplugged overnight, and these remain. Especially annoying during B&W or gray scenes. I was hoping they'd go away but if they don't soon I will be exchanging it. Haven't tried rotating the TV but that seems silly since it's on a large corner TV stand I can't really move elsewhere.

I also noticed warping problems on some scenes like the trees in the Gladiator forest scenes were slightly bowed on the left side. Otherwise I don't notice anything but then I haven't used any calibration DVDs or seen a ticker tape.

S-video from my computer looked horrible. I hope it's my video card. My old 36" Toshiba looked way better with s-video, but that was on my desktop and I tested this with my laptop. No biggie but I expected better since DVDs looked so good.

Finally, when watching VHS it seems like during scene changes the TV automatically lightens up the picture which is somewhat disturbing. Is this that automatically color adjustment feature? It's just too dramatic of a brightness change to not notice. It didn't do this to me on DVDs.

I want to keep this set but the discoloration seems like a showstopper for me, and I hesitate to deal with Samsung and wait for some repair guy to come out since the stories on here all seem negative.

justsc

09-20-06, 04:58 PM

I've read that upconverting HD units can have this issue, and I read a previous post of someone who had that problem but fixed it using the "Russian solution" of turning it off and then back on and it works.

Has anyone else with the 82 model experienced sync issues?

I'll be running a Standard Def Sony DVD Player via Monster THX Component cable. It has a built in DD Decoder so I run 5.1 analog cables to my analog 5.1 receiver. I don't believe to the best of my knowledge that my player has an audio delay feature.

Can i expect synch issues, and if so will the above solution fix it?

If anyone can help such as justsc, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Additionally, if I'm forced to, will running it via a composite video cable eliminate any out-of-synch issues if they occur? I'd hate to do that, but using a lower quality cable is far less annoying than a sync issue.
Sorry for the delay in getting to you.

I've been so busy and haven't had the pleasure of reading the posts for a number of days. Plus, my tooth broke Monday evening and the experience has not been pleasant... :mad:

Anyway, now to more inportant things like your post:

I have not yet experienced the audio sync issue with my Oppo and my Sony 34" crt HD set. From everything I've read, the "russian solution" does work, but for some it's only a temporary solution. Best bet is to stay on top of the two major Oppo threads in the DVD section of AVS.

In my set-up I use optical out from the Oppo to my 5.1 receiver. If memory serves, there seem to be less problems for those using an optical audio link from the player to their receivers.

justsc

09-20-06, 05:04 PM

i've seen this set and the LG today at bestbuy, and man, the real problem with these sets isn't geometry at all, it's the decrease in resolution on the sides of the screen!
is this something that can be fixed with the service menu, and is this a problem that everyone here with these sets faces?
it was really obvious with this hd loop bestbuy had going where their "hd done right" logo floats around and then goes to the corner of the screen. you could see that the text was barely readable on the sides compared to the center. the other hd crt there, the big 34" 970, didn't have any of this detail lost in the sides. but that thing is HUUUGE... :(
This edge bluriness is inherent to the slimfit type sets, and it's worse on the widescreen sets. For some reason the 27" 4:3 SlinFit doesn't seem to suffer as much as the 30" widescreen sets. I don't know of any SM fixes for this.

Some set are better than others. So you might just look around and if you find an acceptable set, take it (maybe even if it's a floor demo - just get 'em to cut the price).

justsc

09-20-06, 05:06 PM

Yeah, I've heard about this too, and next time I'm in a store I have to run some tests to see how bad it is.

At this point though, I'm almost considering bailing out and grabbing a Sony Wega 32" 4:3 TV with widescreen viewing modes.

My faith in a CRT HDTV that's problem-free and affordable has been eliminated. I'm going to take one last serious look at the Samsung in store, and if the blurryness issue is profound, I give up.
There's alot to be said for the nice 32" SDTVs out there. The Sony model is very nice. And the PQ is very good. Since it has a digital tuner, it takes in HD signals and scales them for display at 480i. But it's a very clean and crisp picture with no noise (with true digital signals and material). DVDs look great.

justsc

09-20-06, 05:08 PM

Thanks. And yeah, I'm both a hardcore gamer and a home theater lover, on a shoestring budget (all my money goes to games and hardware, heh...), so I'm in a tough position. When I get my replacement I'm going to put it through its paces and post here what I find, as I'm trying to provide the most accurate picture of my experience to everyone here so they can decide accordingly. Maybe I'm being overly patient with Samsung, but I do have a lot of faith that a new set will alleviate the problems I'm having, and you can be sure it'll get quite the workout (if for no reason other than I've had a half working set for months, and I've got a backlog of games to play with the quality I've been craving since I bought it in April).

And yeah, I would love a computer monitor for my gaming needs, but a computer LCD panel, though it would have great response time and black level, would cost much more than a comparably sized TV, and I don't really want to play my shiny new games on a 20" screen, heh.
You have an incredible level of patience and a wonderful outlook.

I bet your blood pressure is perfect. ;)

I'm looking forward to hearing how the new set performs.

Best of Luck! :)

SurfingMatt27

09-20-06, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Kyrin
Thanks. And yeah, I'm both a hardcore gamer and a home theater lover, on a shoestring budget (all my money goes to games and hardware, heh...), so I'm in a tough position. When I get my replacement I'm going to put it through its paces and post here what I find, as I'm trying to provide the most accurate picture of my experience to everyone here so they can decide accordingly. Maybe I'm being overly patient with Samsung, but I do have a lot of faith that a new set will alleviate the problems I'm having, and you can be sure it'll get quite the workout (if for no reason other than I've had a half working set for months, and I've got a backlog of games to play with the quality I've been craving since I bought it in April).

And yeah, I would love a computer monitor for my gaming needs, but a computer LCD panel, though it would have great response time and black level, would cost much more than a comparably sized TV, and I don't really want to play my shiny new games on a 20" screen, heh.

Best of Luck!

Hope everything works out for you.:)

justsc

09-20-06, 06:50 PM

For the record , I am not a gamer and so maybe my expectations are not the same as Kyrin and InfiniteForce. I like the 3082 for TV viewing and DVD only. Thanks. I hope you get what you should get Kyrin....a new 3082. Samsung should make things right if they are a company with integrity. It will be interesting to see what they are.
I'm no gamer either.

I have Gran turismo 4 and it looks great on my 34" Sony set, but I'm not into gaming anywhere near close to some of the guys here.

I have fairly rigorous requirements, but it's clear the gamers want much more from their sets. And more power to them. It's just rotten that, at a time when the best ever game consoles are coming out, that the crt is on its way out.

Kyrin

09-20-06, 08:25 PM

Well, I put in a call to Sammy yesterday, and I'm a bit PO'd, but it all worked out in the end.

They had previously told me that the exchange was in process, etc etc, and I would be called. Since I hadn't heard from them I put in the call yesterday. I got sent to their exec escalations personthingy and he said he would file for an exchange, I'll be getting a 3082, and it should arrive within 10-14 days. So I was previously misinformed when they told me it was already in process, and I had to kinda kick them to get it going.

This did upset me a bit, but as a call center/customer service employee myself (I do T1 support for a large ISP), I give them a *lot* of slack, because most people in these jobs are underpaid and overworked. Judging from all the problems these sets have been having, they probably have a backlog a mile long, and when trying to work a backlog and deal with the 20 PO'd customers on hold, it amounts to a lot of stress. So I tend to be *very* lenient whenever dealing with customer service centers. One thing I'll say to their credit is that when I did call in, I never had to really prod them to get things done, they pretty much did what I asked without giving me flack for it.

So yeah, I'll be getting my new 3082 in about 2 weeks, I'll report in with how it looks and whether or not I'm still getting the green tint of death.

Thanks for all the encouraging comments, you guys rock.

Suhaib

09-20-06, 11:37 PM

Good luck, kyrin, and thanks for the posts, justsc. It does suck that crts are headed out now that we are getting better video sources and new HD game consoles.

Ikabob

09-21-06, 07:45 AM

So yeah, I'll be getting my new 3082 in about 2 weeks, I'll report in with how it looks and whether or not I'm still getting the green tint of death.

Thanks for all the encouraging comments, you guys rock.

Good Kyrin! It does sound encouraging from Samsung. Perhaps their integrity and professionalism are worthy . However, so far words are cheap and their actions will be what counts. Let's see if 10-14 days is when it really arrives and let's see if you get what they promised. I certainly want to see just what Samsung is made of!

mrwumpus

09-27-06, 01:49 PM

Hi all, can anyone with a SlimFit 27" and Motorola DVR 641x please share what screen settings they use on both the DVR and the TV? The 641x's default to 16:9 and 1080i and this can be changed, but I find if I change it to 4:3 I can't get HD signals to resize properly even though my TV is a 4:3. It's kind of confusing and I want to get the best picture.

I went into the settings menu on my 6416 yesterday (press MENU immediately after powering OFF) and played around and now it looks to me like the HD signals aren't as sharp. It's almost as if they're running in a lower resolution.

Finally, on my SlimFit remote are the PMODE and PSIZE buttons. They don't do anything. Are they supposed to work? If so, when and how?

justsc

09-27-06, 05:31 PM

Motorola 6416?

WOW. I've only got the 6412.

I can't speak to your issue directly, but I may have some insight on how it works. Our tvs will, by default, recognize an incoming HD signal and the screen should almost always default to its FULL mode, whatever that may be. On my 34" 16:9 set that's a FULL widescreen. And I can't change from that FULL format as long as the set is receiving the HD signal. As soon as the signal changes to 480i the picture mode becomes user changeable.

So how does this affect you? First a clarification - What do you mean "if I change it (6416) to 4:3 I can't get HD signals to resize properly even though my TV is a 4:3?" Are you assuming you should be able to resize the picture mode when receiving an HD signal? Unless I'm mistaken, an HD signal freezes the picture mode to FULL - for HD that would be the "fullest" 16:9 window. On my 6412 I have it set to 16:9 and 1080i. If i had a 4:3 set I would still set it to 16:9 1080i. Just like I set my DVD player to 16:9 even with a 4:3 tv.

Bottom Line IMHO - an HD signal is automatically 16:9, regardless of whether your set is widescreen or 4:3. Telling your STB to output an HD signal in 4:3 probably screws big time with whatever you set your tv at. I would leave the STB at 16:9 / 1080i and settle for whatever your tv delivers (which I assume is an unchangeable letterboxed 16:9 window on your 4:3 set).

Cheers!

mrwumpus

09-27-06, 06:07 PM

Motorola 6416? WOW. I've only got the 6412.
Thanks for your reply. I believe the 6416 just has a larger HDD (160gb).

So how does this affect you? First a clarification - What do you mean "if I change it (6416) to 4:3 I can't get HD signals to resize properly even though my TV is a 4:3?" Are you assuming you should be able to resize the picture mode when receiving an HD signal?I guess I was assuming the STB would properly resize my HD signal (squish it with black bars) if I told it I had a 4:3 TV. In fact the opposite happens. What I did discover is that if I set my 4:3 TV to 16:9 mode in its menu, and leave the STB to the default 16:9, then HD signals do look correct, i.e. widescreen with black bars. Then the TV intelligently resizes the standard cable signals to 4:3.

Your advice to leave the STB at the default 16:9/1080i is what works best. I set my 4:3 to 16:9 mode and that works. I still have questions about the STB options for OUTPUT both on the standard menu and the 4:3 options on the service menu. I'm going to play with it some more tonight. I'll update here if I come up with anything exciting.

Thanks!

justsc

09-27-06, 06:16 PM

...I still have questions about the STB options for OUTPUT both on the standard menu and the 4:3 options on the service menu. I'm going to play with it some more tonight. I'll update here if I come up with anything exciting.

Thanks!
Many struggle with how to set-up the STB for outputting 480i material, which is always 4:3. Originally, I thought telling the STB to send all 480i material to me at 480p was best for picture quality. But I found this was not true for my set. I have settled on setting that to 480i. My Sony 34" set upscales all SD to 960i and it looks fantastic. I have the same STB on my 27" Samsung set which is 480p native, and I still set the STB to output 480i as 480i. My tv does a better job at deinterlacing it and converting it to 480p than the STB does.

kz1000s1

09-27-06, 08:59 PM

[QUOTE=mrwumpus
Finally, on my SlimFit remote are the PMODE and PSIZE buttons. They don't do anything. Are they supposed to work? If so, when and how?[/QUOTE]

I've been wondering the same thing. The mode and size buttons on my TX-S2782H remote don't do anything. The manual says they do.

Otherwise I love my new set! The color and clarity are stunning and none of the problems some other people have had are evident.

Wickerman1972

09-27-06, 10:18 PM

Ikabob

09-28-06, 08:47 AM

I've been wondering the same thing. The mode and size buttons on my TX-S2782H remote don't do anything. The manual says they do.

Otherwise I love my new set! The color and clarity are stunning and none of the problems some other people have had are evident.

KZ....The actual buttons for the PMODE and PSIZE are under the labels on the remote....not the colored buttons above. I was confused at the beginning too. See if that helps you. I have the 3082 model but I guess they it would be the same with the 2782.

justsc

09-28-06, 11:30 AM

I've went and read several pages of this thread. I got the TX-S3082WH yesterday. I don't see any of the blurriness along the edges of the screen that you guys talk about. If it's there I can't tell. But I do have severe geometry problems with it. I went to exchange it earlier today but the one they were going to give me had bowing that was even worse. I also took a look at their display model and the bowing was on it to. This isn't subtle bowing, meaning you don't have to get your face right up to the screen to see it. It's noticeable from several feet away. I'm gonna' call Samsung and ask them to send out someone to fix the bowing. Do you think they will without giving me a hassle about it? And what are the chances that the guy will be able to improve it?
It's really best to handle this they way you are planning to do. Place a call to whomever holds your warranty and get them out to your place. It just doesn't pay (most of the time) to exchange and exchange in hopes of getting the perfect unit. Most of these problems can be resolved to most people's satisfaction. Due to the number of these problems I assume the service techs are getting pretty good at working this issue.

All you need to do is stay on them, patiently and strongly. Treat them with respect and you almost always get that right back at you. Document each call and each visit (names, dates and times, what happened).

metzler555

09-28-06, 05:57 PM

kz1000s1

09-28-06, 10:43 PM

Thanks Ikabob! That works. I don't know why I thought they were the top buttons.

Ikabob

10-01-06, 08:29 PM

glad I could help you.

tristan7

10-03-06, 01:08 AM

I'm a n00b to posting on this forum. I've read a few of the sections for quite some time, but haven't posted much.

Anyway, I noticed what you were going through, Kyrin, and I just went through almost the same thing. Out of curiousity, have you recieved your new 3082? If so, do you have any geometry issues with it?

I had a TXR3079 that had issues with discoloration on the bottom right corner, on an HD signal, the picture was clipped off on the bottom of the screen, and the picture was bowed in on the right side. I called them and they had me take it to a repair center that was about 60 miles away because they claimed it was the closest authorized repair center. I got my TV back in less than a week, but when I plugged it in, the picture was almost exactly the same as it was before I returned it. The dumb hicks at the shop didn't do anything to repair it.

So, I called Samsung and told them I wanted a different shop to pick it up. Strangely enough, there was a shop that was only about 20 miles away that picked it up. They had it there for about a week and a half when I called them to see what the status was on it. They hadn't even touched it. They told me it would be another 2 weeks before they got to it.

So, I called Samsung to complain. I called them every day for about a week or so when they finally agreed to replace the TV. As you are aware, it took about 2 weeks to recieve the replacement.

Long story short, I was without the TV for about 5 weeks total.

Well last week I recieved my replacement TXR3082. The 3082 has geometry issues that are as bad as, if not worse than my TXR3079. The picture is slightly bowed in on the right side. The bottom is distorted as well. I'm going to call Samsung tomorrow to see if they can just get someone out here to adjust it.
Hopefully since it's brand new, they'll be convinced that it's not broken so they don't need to take the TV to the repair center.

metzler555

10-03-06, 02:33 AM

justsc

10-03-06, 11:14 AM

So I got this tv about 3 weeks ago and didn't notice this effect till about 1 week after I bought it. When white letters are on black backgrounds the text is shown again on the screen. I hope you can tell what I mean by the picture. I have tried lowering the contrast and changed the VM to 0. Is there anything else I can do to fix this? It's showing up on my component and STV connections. I am not sure if it's on the HDTV one though. Thanks! DO you think I should just call samsung and have them get me a new tv or is this one still fixable?

the board wouldn't let me post urls yet. So I can pm it to anyone who needs a picture of it or wait till I make 5 posts. Whichever I guess comes first.
I read this yesterday in another post and for the life of me I can't picture in my head what you are describing. Try getting your 5 posts in so you can post a URL or a picture - if I can be of any help it'll require a picture. I suspect this is true for others as well based on the lack of replies you're getting.

ShaunoftheDead9

10-03-06, 11:47 AM

I had a bad geometry issue and deguassing issue with my 3079 and finally after talking with Samsung for quite some time(about two months with no answers) they decided that I would get a replacement. My options were replace it with the same tv or my money back. I told them I would take the money back and then they offered an upgrade to a 42 inch DLP the 4266 at no extra charge. I was completely satisfied and still am. The DLP is wonderful. I know this probably is not the norm with getting the tv replaced but if you are not happy with what they have to offer tell them. No one should have to live with Samsungs mistakes with the 3079, and it sounds like they haven't fixed most of the problems with the 3082.

That's my rant. :D

Kyrin

10-04-06, 01:57 PM

I got a call yesterday from the company, and I'm getting my new TV today in a few hours. Once I get it and spend some quality time with it I'll make a post detailing everything and letting you folks know what's up with it.

I hope it doesn't have geometry problems, though I'm not shy about popping open the SM and tweaking them myself, I don't really feel like waiting another week or two for a tech to come out all to do a procedure that I'm capable of myself. If I can't bring them in to acceptable levels though, I'll put in a call to Sammy and push them harder for either my money back, or an upgrade to a different technology. I was willing to take a 3082 replacement once, as I don't want to screw them, since I did only pay 800 for a TV, but if this one is unacceptable, I'm going to try to either get an upgrade from them or my money back, and put it towards a shiny new 1080p LCD. But we'll see what happens with the 3082 today.

I don't know if I'll get a chance to post today or not, but I'll post in the next few days once I feel comfy making a determination on things.

goombatommy

10-04-06, 02:28 PM

I bought the Samsung TXS3082WH and I am in total shock and awe with this TV. An amazing unit for the price. I love it.

justsc

10-04-06, 03:16 PM

I bought the Samsung TXS3082WH and I am in total shock and awe with this TV. An amazing unit for the price. I love it.
This is so good.

I'm really happy that you got yourself a nice HD set.

I got my Samsung 27" set 4-5 years ago and it's been super since day one. I did have to make some SM adjustments, but that was relatively easy and the PQ is outstanding. It's never so much as burped since turning it on way back then.

Cheers!

Ikabob

10-04-06, 03:23 PM

I bought the Samsung TXS3082WH and I am in total shock and awe with this TV. An amazing unit for the price. I love it.

I have the 3082 and I love it too. I am not aware of any geometry problems. Maybe they just don't bother me. I know one thing I would be really nervous about doing any tweaking to the SM. As a matter of fact, I will not play with the SM.

goombatommy

10-04-06, 03:58 PM

I have the 3082 and I love it too. I am not aware of any geometry problems. Maybe they just don't bother me. I know one thing I would be really nervous about doing any tweaking to the SM. As a matter of fact, I will not play with the SM.

I absolutely agree with you. I am not aware of any geometry issue either. The picture is crystal clear. I would also agree with you too in reference to fiddling around with the SM. Personally, I don't know what I would be doing anyhow lol.

I just can't get over of how darn good the difference between previously using S-Video, going to HDMI. Unbelievable.

justsc

10-04-06, 04:32 PM

I've had my current Sony HD set for over a year, and actual HD service for about a year. And every time I sit down and turn on the set, I'm still blown away by the fidelity of HD. The colors, the sharpness and everything is so real. Especially with football. When they have the games with the cameras on wires that zoom around the field and look down on huddles and such - it just amazes me how clear everything is.

My viewing is pretty much split between HD and digital channels like National Geographic and the Science Channel. These digital channels are great, as good as DVD quality. But then I switch over to an HD channel and WOW. I didn't used to believe the early adopters who kept harping about how good HD was. It seemed to me that nothing could be better than DVD. I figured they were kind of fooling themselves. But, no. It's just like they said. I am totally hooked.

Ikabob

10-05-06, 12:22 PM

I am totally in awe of HD too. With my Samsung 3082 , I use no converter box and the HD is straight from airwaves and the picture quality is AWESOME. Yes, watching a football game in HD is the best (next to being there). I guess I would only want a larger TV, but my sunroom would not take a larger TV. I wish Samsung (or Sony) made a much larger CRT with the same built in tuner as the 3082 (maybe they do and I just don't know about it). I would consider it for another larger room. One thing I do not like is a converter box. It is my impression that a converter box gives very good HD but the quality on non- HD stations decreases quite a bit from a direct feed (ie no intervening converter box) Therefore the Samsung 3082 is perfect for me....although I do not actually get all HD stations except for the local stations that are in the airwaves. Hope I am clear on what I said. Thanks!

davevandam

10-06-06, 09:20 PM

Ok.. I was having some geometry issues and I tried to adjust my tv using SM and Avia.. unfortunately I think I did more harm than good. I had all my default settings, but those weren't that great to begin with.. the tv seems to suffer from major bowing issues... where on the left and right sides teh picture isn't completely straight, and also bad on the top and bottom corners. Is this normal? The weird thing too is that this behavior isn't very consistent.. usually with good 16:9 pictures its pretty decent, but when stuff on the tv "shifts" it looks rather bad.. like an old-school tv where the image shape itself seems to adjust based on what is on the actual screen. This was quite an issue on the avia disc.. where when it was using the checkerboard and shuffling images around it would change quite a bit.. I know this sounds all very vague but I have a feeling that this may not be an isolated incident. Does this sound "curable" or do I need to call Samsung now?

popoho

10-07-06, 07:52 AM

Wickerman1972

10-07-06, 08:18 AM

I've been thinking about getting a HDMI cable for mine. But my cable guy claims that although there is an HDMI output in my DVR it doesn't work. I'm not sure if he is full of it or not, will have to buy the cable to find out. I'm thinking about dumping my cable company anyway for Dish Network because their HD service is pathetic. However, I've heard that the HDMI inputs on these Samsung SlimFits can't accept standard def. signals. If that's true I guess I would have to output everything from the DVR in 1080i which would diminish the quality of the standard def. channels some and eliminate my ability to utilize the set's 480p display mode for standard def. channels.

Wickerman1972

10-07-06, 08:28 AM

ladymarq

10-07-06, 10:36 AM

I've had my Slim 27" model from Sams for 5 days & have been leaving it on to burn in so can adjust & make sure no problems develop. Is it possible to adjust out the green line that shows down the left side in some modes? It does not seem consistent. Also sometimes it seems there is something like a greenish sun circle type thing in the upper right quadrant, this doesn't seem evident all the time but might be there all the time but colors on screen hide it some time.

As far as geometry it isn't too bad. I do notice some bowing on the sides when there are box lines on the picture due to format. When there are title boxes on the bottom they are pretty good except tilt down to the right just a bit. I have a weather channel that scrolls info at the bottom and it starts chopping off a little of the letters just right of midline and about 1/4 of the letters at the edge. Some scrolling items seem to disappear down to the right. I notice this in the SD mode (as the channel is SD) and if go to 16:9 it is just the slope of the line of course as it is boxed at top & bottom. Lettering is only slightly blurry at edges. Overall a real great picture. Will adjusting with AVIA or DWE help any or is this a service issue & maybe a set problem (green line)

Someone mentioned a screen to test for geometry issues but I can find it. How does one access that screen?

If these issues have been addressed somewhere feel free to point me in that direction. I love the set especially since I had been watching an old 13". The reception on my new Sammy is great with a HD antenna from Lowes & I'm 30+ miles from the stations not wanting to pay for satellite (cable not available).

Thanks for helping this newbie.

saweetnesstrev

10-07-06, 05:07 PM

Anyway to trade up to the 82 version i ahve a 79 version since before christmas and it has geometry problems and the picture is wayyy bright. also ESPN HD the words ESPN on the bottom right is cut off. and anything i should tell them to help get a 82? :P since 79 is obsolute?

Standard is 80/50/50/50 80 Contrast seems a little high is this correct???

hakunamutata

10-08-06, 10:53 PM

I haven't posted for a while because everything was going great until last couple of weeks when I had a power surge/and brownouts and it blew my set. I was really upset since I had spent so much time tweaking it , and now this. My warranty is expired so I had to consider taking it to a repair shop, but since the thing is so heavy I was waiting for a repairman who would come in or pick it up. Tired of waiting and having some knowledge, I decided to open the set to see it was something that I might be able to fix. Thank goodness I did because it was just the fuse. Smart, aren't I? Well..no. If I had just done the smart thing from the beginning and plugged my set into a surge surpressor (or better yet a line conditioner/suppressor) it would have never had this problem in the first place.

Deadpool

10-09-06, 03:13 PM

Is there anyway to get rid of the grey bars in 4:3 mode? I love the TV but hate the bars. I'd much rather they be black.

fpage77

10-09-06, 11:24 PM

Hi,
I got the TX-S2782H before discovery this thread and I honestly do not understand why I've seen such negative comments. I got my 1080i and 720p channels on widescreen 16:9 mode and think it look brilliant. I've never seen sports and races so clear so sharp with such vibrant colors on the HD channels. I have never sat down in front of any other HDTV in my life and got this Samsung since my last TV (Samsung) which still works fine has been perfect for 6 years. This thread was way to large to looik though in detail on every post so don't kill me if I've misunderstood.

Thanks,

Fred

vipersvenom

10-10-06, 02:01 AM

I'm like everyone else when I say that I wish I had read this thread before I bought an HDTV set. I bought a TXR-3079 and I'm having the "bowing" issung. ESPN tickers are curved up in the middle and the top right portion is angled down enough for me to notice. I've been reading through this thread for days now and I've messed around with my SM (wrote down the values, don't worry) but to no avail. I'm thinking that I just don't UNDERSTAND how the SM settings work so I would rather have someone with knowledge of the Samsung SM help me.

I called Samsung tech (TV is out of return policy, no extended warranty, but MFG warranty is still valid), and I told them I was having the bowing issue with my picture and I'd like them to fix it under warranty. Since I've messed around with the service menu, even though the settings can be put back to the original, will the technician be able to access some sort of SM log showing that I've messed with it? Has anyone had any success with a Samsung tech fixing the bowing/focus issues?

Also, I'd like a link to where I can buy the AVIA calibration DVD.

Thanks

Ikabob

10-10-06, 10:43 PM

I did because it was just the fuse. Smart, aren't I? Well..no. If I had just done the smart thing from the beginning and plugged my set into a surge surpressor (or better yet a line conditioner/suppressor) it would have never had this problem in the first place.

For future reference, can you tell us where this fuse is located and how to get to it and any other information you can provide. Thanks.

justsc

10-11-06, 01:15 PM

I just treated myself to a brand new Samsung TX-S3082WH from BB. I did notice a bit of bowing and geometry issue when viewing. I got myself an Avia Calibration Disc from a "friend" (arrr matey) and after much tinkering in the SM, I an satisfied with the results. Note*. Please make sure to calibrate the contrast to a low setting to get a less noticible geometric issue.

Although the adjustment is not perfect, for the price and excellent PQ, I cannot complain. Best of luck to you all.

Do yourself a huge favor and get a HDMI to DVI cable. The PQ is absolutely amazing when viewing HD programs. I can even see wrinkles and pimples on some local channels field reporters :D
Congratulations on your new set!

And welcome to AVS. ;)

Regarding geometry and contrast - Excessive contrast can cause a wealth of picture quality problems, not to mention shortening the life of the phosphor. But the relationship with geometry isn't much. Of course, mucho excessive contrast will cause bleeding and overscan bounce, as well as enhancing problematic artifacts, but it really isn't the tool to use to adjust geometry issues. Contrast has to be awfully high to have any effect.

HDMI to DVI - The digital interface is most useful and noticeable with fixed-pixel displays like LCD and DLP, etc. In fact, many of us have enjoyed better PQ with plain old component cabling.

Like you said - PQ is amazing with HD. :)

justsc

10-11-06, 01:17 PM

This is not the first time I've heard this idea that a lower contrast setting will mean less bowing on this forum. So after I read your reply I went and set my contrast all the way to 0 to see if there would be any difference. There was none whatsoever.
Adjusting contrast is not really the way to address geometry problems, as you've figured out. Pincushion and barrell effects require SM adjustments for linearity. On my Sony the SM adjustments include VPIN, PIN, etc. I forget what they are on the Samsung units.

justsc

10-11-06, 01:22 PM

...Also, I'd like a link to where I can buy the AVIA calibration DVD.

Thanks
I purchased my copy through Amazon.com.

justsc

10-11-06, 01:25 PM

Is there anyway to get rid of the grey bars in 4:3 mode? I love the TV but hate the bars. I'd much rather they be black.
Believe it or not, you're actually better off with the grey bars. CRT sets these days are much less prone to burn-in than with older models, but it can still happen if images are left on static for long, long periods of time. Black pillarboxes will burn-in much more easily than grey - in other words it'll show up much more. This is actually a feature.

I'm unaware of any way to change them to black.

davevandam

10-11-06, 01:30 PM

I'm awaiting on Circuit City to take my old tv away and deliver another one. I really hope I don't get another bad tv..... I'll keep you all posted on updated in the case that you give a

l3ftonm3

10-11-06, 02:22 PM

Is there anyway to get rid of the grey bars in 4:3 mode? I love the TV but hate the bars. I'd much rather they be black.

I wasnt able to change them in the tv settings for my 8082'
But my digital cable box let me switch the bars to black from grey.

TLR156

10-11-06, 04:49 PM

Anyone have any experience with the TX-S3080 (not the older TX-R model)?

I seem to have searched the internet wide, & can find no reviews at all. Most online retailers show the set currently on backorder, or not yet available.

I've read gobs of reviews from dis-satisfied customers who purchased the R model, & a few who apparently had better luck, or don't know any better.

I've been shopping around & found the TX-S3082's picture to be absolutely stunning, & it even has all the connections I want, but is unfortunatley about an inch too wide for my current entertainment center, which I can't currently justify replacing as well.

I'm hoping that the TX-S3080 turns out to be as good as the TX-S3082.

Anybody... ?

Ikabob

10-11-06, 06:39 PM

The thing I did not like about the 3080 was that it did not have a shift down key so that if you were watching in Zoom 1 mode , you could shift down so that the heads were not cut off. Other than that I thought it was very close in quality to the 3082. I only had it for a short time....3 days....until I realized the 3082 was out.

fpage77

10-11-06, 07:55 PM

TLR156

10-12-06, 10:22 AM

Hey I'm new to all this too but I have a TX-S2782H which would be less wide and would probably fit into a entertainment center. The model is 4:3 based but you can set it to display your 16:9 channels properly in letterbox. I love this HDTV!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, I've looked at the 4:3's. & the 27 inchers. My current set (which is getting ready to go caput) is a 27" 4:3 SD. I figure if I'm going to drop the dough on a new tube it's gotta be bigger, HD, & 16:9 format. I must admit, some of the 4:3's have been tempting... Thanks for the suggestion though.

Dionysian

10-19-06, 01:33 PM

Hello all, I'd like to ask if someone who has a samsung dynaflat slimfit 3082WH could test something for me. Does your Digital Captioning work when you have a dvd player in Component (y.pb.pr) mode, or in HDMI mode. Mine is not, and I am deaf so I rely on captioning. I'd like to find out if its a problem with this model or with my set. The user manual says you should be able to go into Setup and then captioning should be white (mine is greyed out in hdmi and component mode) and you should be able to adjust font, color, etc for digital captioning.

I have two dvd players, one is not progressive scan and just does component out. One is hdmi to hdmi and does progressive scan. Cant get captioning to work with either of these.

PS closed captions are NOT subtitles.

If someone would be so kind as to try this out, I will have more knowledge to use as ammo to get the samsung service reps to come and FIX my tv. :(

the13thchamber

10-19-06, 03:39 PM

The first set had slight geometry issues but the main problem was the lower right corner. It looked as if a magnet was placed near the tv. I returned it an now it makes a loud abrupt sound when I turn on the set. It only lasts for a sec but I am worried if it may lead to problems down the road. The set still has geometry issues but I feel I can fix that with new menu that has the extra settings that I found out how to access in these forums. Does anyone know if there are specific number settings to fix the geometry problem or is on set to set basis?

thanks

justsc

10-20-06, 01:57 PM

taxman48

10-21-06, 11:11 AM

Was reading thru all the posts after seeing the tv at local PC Richards side by side with another 30" HDTV LG model # 30FS4D. Picture looked the same on both of them but Samsung was priced a little higher. I will be connecting tv via HDMI since the new cable boxes have HDMI output. BB website has the 3082WH aspect ration listed as 4:3, http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7716769&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050039&id=1138087675171
is this a mistake?.

the13thchamber

10-21-06, 03:00 PM

Thanks for the help justsc! Glad that there are no problems. Now, I am going to try and fix the geometry problems. Any advice. thanks for the help.

lobowolf2000

10-21-06, 04:50 PM

In February of 2006, I purchased a Samsung SlimFit TXR3079WHX 30" HDTV. I had problems from day one with magnetic distortion in the corners (blue and green rainbows), shadows in the picture, and non-linearity. On a gray field, you could see "shadows" where the gray level changed, and if you put on a picture with straight lines, the lines were all wavy and distorted, and the right half of the picture drooped down. If you set it for 4:3, the top of the picture wasn't straight, but had a very pronounced dip in it.

I should have returned the set to Best Buy within the 30 days, but I didn't want to admit to myself that I had gotten a lemon.

I called Samsung in April and waited 3 weeks for them to schedule a repair call. The tech installed a new deflection board. That helped somewhat, and fortunately I watched as he installed the board and set up the deflection menu, because his idea of a good picture and my idea of good picture were certainly different (as he was ready to leave, and I pointed out the set still had some serious geometry issues).

He adjusted things the best that he could, and said there was nothing more that he could do. I watched as he went through all of the adjustments, and he did indeed to the best he could, but there were still shadows and lines and the rainbow distortion in the corners was still there. Before I asked what I could do now, he snuck out the door and left! He gave me the code for the deflection menu, but I couldn't make any improvements.

The picture was better, but still not great, and over the course of the next 3 months continued to deteriorate until I couldn't stand watching it. I called Samsung in early August, and they sent a different tech from a different shop out to look at my set. He said the CRT had purity issues, and that the only thing he could do is replace the CRT. So, he ordered the new CRT, had it approved by Samsung, and I waited.

Two weeks passed, and apparently the repair shop could not get the CRT out of the case. They waited for Samsung to get back to them with tech advice, and finally after two weeks, I had to call Samsung myself and they in turn, called the shop and got things rolling. A week later, I called Samsung again. The shop still couldn't get the CRT out of the case, and the set was pronounced unfixable.

To make a very long story short, Samsung offered to send me a new set. They were out of '05 models, and offered to send me an '06 CRT model of equivalent worth. At this point, I'd had enough of Samsung CRT TV's and I was really afraid I'd get the same thing in the replacement set. I asked Samsung if I could just upgrade to an LCD and be done with it, and I was told that I could.

The set went in Sept. 30th. For another $575, they'd let me upgrade to a Samsung LNS-3251 32" LCD, so even though I'm not happy about spending another $575, I'll be happy to put this whole nightmare behind me. Samsung LCD's seem to have a much better reputation and I'm hoping that I can just be done with this (with my luck, I'll end up with one that has a whole bunch of dead pixels).

Conclusions:

I think there were some serious issues pertaining to the manufacture of SlimFit CRT's, and I would not recommend the TV. I'm sure there are some that are fine and have no problems, but mine was terrible.

My experience with Samsung customer service gets mixed reviews. I was always able to get a live person, and they were always polite. They were accomodating, but I wouldn't say that anyone went way out of their way to do anything quickly. Typically, I had to wait several weeks for a repair person to show up (I live out in a rural area). They did agree to replace my set, but only after it was deemed unrepairable. They would only honor the remainder of my warranty, however, and would not give me another whole year on the offered replacement. They did, however, give me the choice to upgrade to an LCD and since I dont want have anything more to do with Samsung CRT's, I'm taking the offer. They said the replacement process takes 3 weeks, so the total cost of this ordeal will be two service calls, two half-days off from work, and 6 or 7 weeks without a TV.

Obviously, I would not buy another SlimFit.

Humvee13

10-21-06, 08:22 PM

Taxman the BB site is incorrect about the ratio and their picture is of a 4:3 set too, guess they made a mistake. It is a 16x9 set, I was checking this Tv out in the store since I work there and thinking of picking it up to replace a very old zenith 25 inch in my garage. Seems like the best one we carry out of the batch after the sony xbr.

BTW does anyone use this set with a PS2 or xbox360? Im sure it plays it fine just wondering if anyone has any gaming feedback.

Edit: Apon looking at the site again they list 2 models in the 30 inch range 1 is wide and the other is 4:3 but the pictures they have are still screwed up.

publord

10-22-06, 02:00 AM

I have the 27 inch slimfit, its super with my 360

rebeljt

10-22-06, 11:30 AM

I just bought the Samsung (TXS3082W) and I am very pleased with it. The OTA stuff is great. The cable is not so great but I think thats a problem with the cable or comcast and I don't care much. Its not digital just the basics. I want to hook this bad boy up to my computer. I have been doing this through an S-Video cable from a Geforce 5900XT card. Is this a safe way to do this? Is there a better or more preferred way to do this? I am on my third HDTV. My first sanyon was busted and recalled, then I had a vizio that I returned because te picture quality was horrible. I can't help but think to myself the S-Video connection caused weird things on my first set. I can't think of why it would but maybe I am paranoid after being on my third set and trying to find something that looked good. Any advice would be appreciated.

JT

Humvee13

10-22-06, 08:39 PM

Would a HDMI to DVI then DVI output from your computer be possible at a lower resolution? 1024 x 768 ? I cant see svideo doin any damage other than being resolution limiting.

blackzc

10-23-06, 04:49 AM

Does anyones slimfit seem to grunt louder than normal when you turn it on? Mine makes a pretty loud grinding sound (vibration) when i turn it on.

Anything to be concerned about?

rebeljt

10-23-06, 10:38 AM

Would a HDMI to DVI then DVI output from your computer be possible at a lower resolution? 1024 x 768 ? I cant see svideo doin any damage other than being resolution limiting.

I'd like to run HDMI to DVI but unfortunately with the way I have my room setup it would cost a bundle. Unless anyone knows of a cheap solution? I am doing S-Video over UTP. Does anyone know of a HDMI over UTP solution? lol... I like this TV quite a bit. Far better then the Sanyo I had.

JT

rebeljt

10-23-06, 10:38 AM

Does anyones slimfit seem to grunt louder than normal when you turn it on? Mine makes a pretty loud grinding sound (vibration) when i turn it on.

Anything to be concerned about?

I think thats the Screen Degaussing?

JT

justsc

10-23-06, 10:45 AM

I think thats the Screen Degaussing?

JT
That's correct, and grunting is a good word for it. ;)

ins0mniac

10-23-06, 04:58 PM

I'm considering the 27" slimfit. I like the 2 HDMI inputs. Can I use the optical audio out to go into my ONKYO receiver while using HDMI input for video ? This will save me a digital input on the ONKYO (of which I only have 2), essentially the TV acting as a switcher for digital audio.

From the manual it seems like the optical audio out is muted while the TV is displaying HDMI video. Is that true ?

Thanks.

JSWbBk

10-24-06, 09:10 AM

From the manual it seems like the optical audio out is muted while the TV is displaying HDMI video. Is that true ? Thanks.

I have the 30" slimfit and, if I'm not mistaken, the only thing that comes out of the optical audio out is sound from the TV tuner.

When I am watching a DVD, I have to switch my A/V Receiver to accept the audio input from the DVD player.

The digital audio comes from the DVD player and goes to the HDTV by HDMI, but the TV does not then pass that audio on to another device by any digital connection. (I haven't tried the analog connections.) Similarly, the HDTV will not pass the DVD's video out to any third device by digital connection.

fpage77

10-24-06, 08:01 PM

justsc

10-25-06, 10:57 AM

I could have walked out the door at Circuit City cheap but ended up sticking with the 27" Slimfit. I looked at the displace and talked about warped corners (barf). I think Slimfit shouldn't be bigger than 27" because the geometry problems people have talked about with 30" is so true. I just can't beleive they can keep selling a item they know has issues. If your 30" inch model tubes suck either redesign them or stop selling them SAMSUNG!
When the technology changed from rounded screens to flat screens these problems began to crop up, as there were now differences in distance between the guns and the various parts of the screen. This affected both focus and linearity. Then with the addition of the slim lines, the differences became even more pronounced. From what I've seen the 4:3 designs suffer the least problems.

But we know it can be done right because there are alot of very happy owners even here at AVS.

mowowie

10-25-06, 12:16 PM

Hi everybody, Well I just returned my second Slimfit TXS3082WH. The first had just about every issue known, Circles looked like squares, squares look like circles, Horrible distortion in the corners and the purple splotches in the left corners. The second 82 however was nearly perfect. After reading this thread I felt extremely lucky! Unfortunately, after reading some obscure post somewhere some guy was complaining how the tv's screen would expand and contract after the blackness in between commercials and when bright light was flashing on screen. I instantly noticed my TV was doing the same thing. This was extremely annoying and unacceptable so i returned it and noticed 2 floor models doing the same thing. My theory is that it's the result of a weak power supply.
After reading 50 pages on this thread I can't believe nobody else has mentioned this problem! It's very obvious when you're watching a network logo bouncing around all over the place!
Well, I'm now the proud owner of a Sony 34 inch KD-34XBR970. Wow, What a TV! Perfect Everything for a Hundred bucks more.
out of curiosity, anybody else have the prob i was describing with their Slimfit?

PS. Justsc, you are the man! I've read MANY posts from you in diff threads this past week, In fact it was your advice that directed me to the Sony. Thank you.
I do have a few questions about the Sony i'd like to ask you soon though.
Thanks again.

faceoff

10-25-06, 12:29 PM

justsc

10-25-06, 01:44 PM

All - not sure if these are stupid questions - or not. The situation is that we're looking for a 27"-32" set. The Sony - I could probably talk my wife into the price - but it's too deep. She saw the 32" Slimfit - and likes it (size and look wise). I don't especially like what I'm reading here. We're not in a real rush to get a set, and it has to be 16:9.

My questions - there seems to be a marked improvement in the sets between last year, and this year. I know that there are still geometry issues with this year's models. Is this true?

If it's true - from thouse who know Samsung, could the assumption be that next year's models will be better?

If the answer to that is yes - any idea when, and what next years models will bring?

Sorry to be a pain!!!

TIA!

faceiff
These are not stupid questions. It's easy to understand why anyone would be hesitant to buy after reading these threads. I really feel sorry for those who've had bad experiences with their new sets. Folks start out with lots of hopeful expectations going to HD and then get the set home and feel such disappointment.

Samsung has made progress in solving some of last year's problems. But it's clear that there's still a few hurdles to jump. All crt sets have geometry and linearity issues - it's just a matter of how extensive they are and whether or not they're fixable.

Next Year? - This is a tough one. If Samsung continues to offer crt sets, and if they are new models, then I do believe we'll see improvements. Samsung's strengths lie in their flat panel and rear projection sets. That's where the money is. I have yet to hear Samsung declare their plans for next year with regard to crt HD sets.

Bottom Line? - If you are in the market for crt technology, I wouldn't wait until next year to make a decision. Too many manufacturers are discontinuing their crt lines. If the Sony 970 is too deep, then I'd consider another display technology altogether.

faceoff

10-25-06, 01:55 PM

These are not stupid questions. It's easy to understand why anyone would be hesitant to buy after reading these threads. I really feel sorry for those who've had bad experiences with their new sets. Folks start out with lots of hopeful expectations going to HD and then get the set home and feel such disappointment.

Samsung has made progress in solving some of last year's problems. But it's clear that there's still a few hurdles to jump. All crt sets have geometry and linearity issues - it's just a matter of how extensive they are and whether or not they're fixable.

Next Year? - This is a tough one. If Samsung continues to offer crt sets, and if they are new models, then I do believe we'll see improvements. Samsung's strengths lie in their flat panel and rear projection sets. That's where the money is. I have yet to hear Samsung declare their plans for next year with regard to crt HD sets.

Bottom Line? - If you are in the market for crt technology, I wouldn't wait until next year to make a decision. Too many manufacturers are discontinuing their crt lines. If the Sony 970 is too deep, then I'd consider another display technology altogether.

Thanks for the QUICK reponse.

I've got a 42" LCD Sony in our bedroom. It's nice - guess that I'm "old school" in that CRT STILL looks better. The Sony CRT is a BEAST - maybe if I can figure out how to rearrange the office. . .

Oh man - nothing is easy! LOL

Thanks again!!!