CGULL999 that is a drag no adjustments then. :(

A question does the tv store the invididual color settings for each input ?

I hope that atleast it does.

Try the service menu access when you get home and let us know if you can get in.

The TV does remember the settings for each input.

I saw that you should be able to do this too (it mentions it in the owners manual I downloaded), but, they must have changed something, because the Color Management feature is not even there. I know the owners manual on-line was a first draft, so maybe they thought about doing it but didn't. It also makes no mention of it in the owners manual that came with the TV. Maybe it's something that can be accessed in a service menu, but I don't know how to access that.

If someone else has one of the 195 models and can do this, please let me know.

Could have been a deadline to get the unit on the market. Maybe a software update will fix this so it will have a menu to adjust it!

The TV guide works just fine on my 62MX195, cable w/out box, and HDTV OTA antenna. Still debating HD Satellite or HD Cable.

Which Mitsu set is 'gone'?

It's a non-HD 60 in rear projection that is still in great condition.

I got the TV From ABT Electronics in Glenview, IL.

I don't use HDMI for my DVD since it's an older player and doesn't have it. Component looks good as does the HDMI form the Cable.

Will you be getting a HDMI DVD player? I bought a Tosh SD-5980 to complement the MX195 and Ihave not played a DVD on it yet, it's been sitting here waiting for the 62 in.

Benear I bought a Panasonic S77 HDMI dvd player. Currently using it on my tv in the bedroom a Sony 34HS420 the picture is very smooth and clear.

From the review that I read it has a much better picture quality than the Toshiba.

Maybe you can take a look on the Panasonic uses Genesis/Faroudja FLI-2310 video processing chip.

I am considering one of these TV's and there are some features I love about the Tosh, like the networkd connection for one. My biggest stumbling block is that I can't find any confirmation that PC input on the tosh does or does not support 1080p. I know it does on the samsung but can't find any solid info either way on the toshiba. I would buy the toshiba in heartbeat if I knew for a fact that it supported the full res on the pc input. Any help would be appreciated.

Could have been a deadline to get the unit on the market. Maybe a software update will fix this so it will have a menu to adjust it!

This is what Toshiba customer Serive wrote me when I inquired about 'Color Management':

Thanks for writing!
The TV does not have the capability to individually adjust the colors.
For further assistance, please write back or call 1-800-631-3811.

Scott
Toshiba Customer Service

This is what Toshiba customer Serive wrote me when I inquired about 'Color Management':

Thanks for writing!
The TV does not have the capability to individually adjust the colors.
For further assistance, please write back or call 1-800-631-3811.

Scott
Toshiba Customer Service


:mad: :(

CGULL999 did you have time to try if the sequence that I listed here got you into the service menu ?

Iam hoping that it does so I will be able to trim to greyscale to my liking.

To follow up on my post a few days ago about different versions of the 62HM15 at Costco, I've verified that (at least the Costco I got mine from) they do carry 2 different versions. Both are the same price and have the same labeling, stand, layout, etc. One is the 62HM15B (the one they have on display), one is the 62HM15 (the one I took home). The only difference I've noticed (besides the model number on the back of the unit) is that the 62HM15B has 2 HDMI inputs and the 62HM15 has only 1. They are letting me exchange my 62HM15 for a 62HM15B.

If you plan on getting one of these units from Costco, make sure you get the one with 2 HDMI inputs. You may need to cut through the box (with a manager's permission, of course!) in the store to make sure you get one with 2 HDMI inputs, as the labeling on the boxes isn't always accurate.

I got 56HM195 just yesterday. It was $2,899 at local Fry's. I came from 42" SONY GWIII. I am going to use 56HM195 for cable, DVD and HTPC (SD video capture and picture viewing).
This TV can be very bright, bright as hell, probably because of its 150W lamp, but you can also run it in low power mode, it is still bright though. However, default setting of this TV is way too contrasty, and I couldn't see any dark detail. Since I came from LCD RPTV, I expected something better in dark detail, but a little disappointed first. I quickly tried some of customer video setting, and so far my compromized setting is to lower contrast to 40, pump brightness to 100, push color to 60 and in low power lamp mode. Any suggestion appreciated.
In HTPC use, I hooked up nVidia 6600GT card via HDMI. Resolution is 1920x1080i. I once considered Sammy's TV since it has VGA port, but then I came back to Toshiba because any future HD-DVD or BlueRay shouldn't be enabled for VGA port, and also as far as TV does deinterlacing, feeding 1080i signal over HDMI shouldn't result in flicker like old CRT. I was actually little concerned about flicker until I actually try it, but as a result, no flicker, I was relieved. When I was using GWIII, I once had flicker issue when I was loading wrong nVidia driver (some of you reading this may know what I am talking about...) but today, my new 56HM195 fed by 1080i over HDMI doesn't have any flicker, good good. This does meet my demand because I came to full HD display mainly for picture viewing. I posted pictures of Windows screen in the other threads in this forum, please find it if you are interested in.
Talking about picture viewing, Microsoft MCE's photo viewer really sucks. It looks it the software generates less-resolutioned picture internally, probably for faster viewing speed. I knew it when I was with GWIII 1384x760, but now with full HD display, the difference with the other jpeg viewer is much more clear.
The other thing I noticed is about the upscaler of this TV. It really does good job compared to crappy Time Warner SA3250HD box. That is, picture is much smoother when feeding 480i from SA3250HD and let TV to scale the picture than setting SA3250HD to 1080i. I also noticed about this when I was with GWIII, but now difference is more clearer. BTW, compared to when the TV is getting 1080i signal, it looks like TV's video adjustment is more tweakable, I mean wider adjustment range when the TV is getting 480i signal.

I took this TV because this is cheapest full HD capable TV, I also considered Mitsubishi seriously, but couldn't justify extra $600 or $800. I like Mitsu's design better though and I prefer black bezel. But why Mitsu is so heavy? What's inside???
On coming SONY SXRD could be good one, but speakers on the side is not a good idea. On coming JVC could also be good, but to my eyes previous JVC RPTVs have considerable chromatic aberration or maybe convergence issue among 3 panels, but can't tell for sure until looking at it by my own eyes.

Just got my 62HM195. Has anyone experienced a loud fan noise (sounds like about the same audio level as a refrigerator running)?

[QUOTE=DreamTheater]I once considered Sammy's TV since it has VGA port, but then I came back to Toshiba because any future HD-DVD or BlueRay shouldn't be enabled for VGA port

As far as I know none of the ports on the new toshibas support a 1080p signal through any inputs so you may have been better off with a TV that had the vga and the hdmi unless you got this TV considerably cheaper than the samsung you were looking at which does accept a 1080p signal over vga. Maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say here. Just a thought, congrats on the new TV though, hope it works out for you.

Just got my 62HM195. Has anyone experienced a loud fan noise (sounds like about the same audio level as a refrigerator running)?

Not as loud as refrigerator, but my 56HM195 fan noise is certainly louder than GWIII.

As far as I know none of the ports on the new toshibas support a 1080p signal through any inputs so you may have been better off with a TV that had the vga and the hdmi unless you got this TV considerably cheaper than the samsung you were looking at which does accept a 1080p signal over vga. Maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say here. Just a thought, congrats on the new TV though, hope it works out for you.

Why? I don't have anything (video material) that 1080p has advantage over 1080i.
My local Fry's carries only 61" model for Sammy. Local Tweeter has 50" and 56" but even 50" model costs $600 more than 56HM195.

Something to think about. When I got my older Toshiba 61" it was the first Toshiba model to have progressive scan. The picture was much better than any 480i signal at that time.

The tv had one component/colorstream input but would not accept a HD signal or progressive scan signal.

Then one year later Toshiba and other tv manufactures came out with colorstream pro/component inputs that could accept a 480p and a 1080i signal.

My point is watching a dvd movie and having the dvd player do the 480p the picture is much smoother and sharper than having the tv progressive scan the 480i signal.

Currently it's easy to have a dvd progressive scan the signal in the digital domain, rather than have a tv estimate and fill in the lines as it does not really know what signal is coming in.

Having the source at 1080p in digital form would be much better than having the tv try to fill the lines in.

I wonder because the hdtv signal is digital does, that mean the tv can progressive/deinterlace the signal in the digital domain without any signal loss.

Would it be just like having a current dvd do 480i to 480p now, with no loss ?

I just hope that the manufactures dont come out next year with a 1080p input and I have a feeling they will. :(

You bet the new HD dvd and blu ray will support it once it's released next year. Why would Sony and there new PS3 support 1080p.

If there is no loss with a digital 1080i source via hdmi then I guess it should not matter if the tv cannot accept a 1080p signal as its all in the digital domain ?

Maybe someone with more knowledge can expand on this. :)

Just got my 62HM195. Has anyone experienced a loud fan noise (sounds like about the same audio level as a refrigerator running)?

The only time I notice the fan is when I am really close. From viewing distance (12ft or more), unnoticeable.

My point is watching a dvd movie and having the dvd player do the 480p the picture is much smoother and sharper than having the tv progressive scan the 480i signal.

Currently it's easy to have a dvd progressive scan the signal in the digital domain, rather than have a tv estimate and fill in the lines as it does not really know what signal is coming in.

Having the source at 1080p in digital form would be much better than having the tv try to fill the lines in.

I wonder because the hdtv signal is digital does, that mean the tv can progressive/deinterlace the signal in the digital domain without any signal loss.

Would it be just like having a current dvd do 480i to 480p now, with no loss ?

I just hope that the manufactures dont come out next year with a 1080p input and I have a feeling they will. :(


Yaamon thanks for your post.
In my GWIII experience, even when I fed the signal over component, feeding 480i from DVD player and had TV to deinterlace&scale was better than feeding 480p from the player. I think it's only a matter of how descent de-interlacer inside TV. Also, many people talked about upconvert DVD player doesn't improve anything on GWIII, perhaps it was because GWIII doesn't have true 720p resolution though.

As for 1080p input capable TVs, yes I think they will come out in next year. But it doesn't mean any HD-DVD player or BlueRay only output 1080p. Think about how many 720p HDTVs already out there, they all don't accept 1080p signal. So even if in someday movie maker creates native 1080p recorded HD-DVD or Blue Ray, the player should be able to output as 1080i!? Otherwise, manufacturers get into serious trouble.

That's what I thought to justify my purchase. Bwa ha ha.

I just got this email from Toshiba in reguard to the input resolutions on the 56mx195.

"Thanks for writing!

Â

A 1080p signal received through either the HDMI or PC connection will be displayed without modification.

 Â

Scott

Toshiba Customer Service"


So I don't know if the guy at Toshiba just didn't know what I was talking about or if my prayers have been answered. I'm gonna call their phone support and double check but if this is legit it would absolutely rock.

edit: Just talked to Toshiba via their sales line and they say that the HDMI and PC input on the 56mx195 will support 1080p signals. Maybe this isn't news to everyone but it sure was to me. I was under the impression that only tv that supported 1080p over hdmi was the new hps and that the mits and samsungs did it over vga. Excellent news for those interested in a toshiba!!

OK, is this just a mis-informed CSR, or does he speaketh the truth? I thought it was already confirmed no 1080p, especially HDMI. VGA, aka analog PC input, maybe, like the Sammy's, but I was pretty sure HDMI 1080p was an unequivocal Negative. Any other sources?
J.

Yeah, I'm of the opinion that if it's too good to be true then it usually is. I just don't have a ton of faith in the people they pay to answer these kind of questions. I really want to believe that this is true but when the person on the other end of the line couldn't confirm that pc port would support 1920x1080 but kept saying as long as it was 1080p signal it would work, I started to lose some faith. But man two seperate Toshiba employess both saying it will support a 1080p signal on HDMI and VGA, can they both be wrong? I'll answer my own question and say yes they could be, but I hope not. :rolleyes:

Someone who owns one of these sets can verify this by trying to feed the television with a 1920x1080 @60Hz signal via the PC. If it says mode not supported, then it will not accept a 1080p signal.

I called Toshiba Canada Customer Service and they said the same thing to me! Can anyone locate the source of the school that said that 1080p couldn't be displayed on the Toshiba mx195's? I don't think any Toshiba rep. said that 1080 wasn't possible. I think some technitheorists said it wasn't possible. But I'm relying on the story of the guys whose job it is to make sure the tv is 1080p capable. How would you get a job building TV's in this day and age if you were "the little engine that said I Can't"?

Take me through this. How do you connect the PC to the Tosh? through PC input? and with what cable? USB? Just getting educated and need to know this. I'm researching the 62mx195 and am getting hesitant because of the "not true 1080" debate that's raging.

Not sure about MX models, but I tried last night to feed 1080p to my 56HM195 via HDMI and it didn't work. No message but all black screen and then came back to original setting.
I am also not sure if I sent proper timing parameter etc though. What I did was, in nVidia setting panel, when we move resolution to 1920x1080 then it default to 1080i, i opened advanced (or something) and clear the 'Interlaced' checkbox and hit apply.

So the TV supported the 1920x1080 resolution, you just had to switch it to interlaced? How did it look?

No no Dreamtheater! I don't think you have the pc input. The 62mx195 has a 15 pin pc input. Can anyone tell me if that = VGA or PC input simlar to Samsung's? All this nomenclature's starting to make my head spin!!!!

My 62MX195 arrives tomorrow!! Quick someone buy me a new video card and overnight it to my house and I'll test this out for you!! ;)

Seriously though the MX does arrive tomorrow. I really know nothing about this though as I'm still very green to this HD world. My video card is in major need of updating so don't know if I'd be able to help test this. What spec's does the video card need to have? HDTV compatible?

Anyway, if there's any other way to test and you can put the walk-through in baby step terms, I'll be happy to test tomorrow.

Btw, wish me luck. TV is coming in on a big rig which is meeting me in the Wal-Mart parking lot to unload it into my pickup truck. Haha, gotta love small towns with small little residential streets...

Can someone tell me what is the difference between the theaterwide (62HM195) and the cinema series (62MX195)? Is it worth the $300 difference? Thanks.

Is there a link in this thread to PC fast action game lag? I saw one somewhere buy the "search thread" is giving me a 404 error :(

Can someone tell me what is the difference between the theaterwide (62HM195) and the cinema series (62MX195)? Is it worth the $300 difference? Thanks.
To see the difference in the Models go to Crutchfield where they have a ton of info on them but of course they list them at MSRP - par for the course for Crutch but they are great for doing research. Big Bang Electronics in Nebraska is a great place to check - but rules prohibit linking or pricing.

"For $300 more, the Toshiba 62MX195 (versus the HM) has a high-gloss black bezel to give images extra pop, plus

• standard PC input
• Ethernet jack for accessing MP3s and digital photos from a PC
• custom color adjustment " (Quote from Crutchfield)

My 62MX195 arrives tomorrow!! Quick someone buy me a new video card and overnight it to my house and I'll test this out for you!! ;)

Seriously though the MX does arrive tomorrow. I really know nothing about this though as I'm still very green to this HD world. My video card is in major need of updating so don't know if I'd be able to help test this. What spec's does the video card need to have? HDTV compatible?

Anyway, if there's any other way to test and you can put the walk-through in baby step terms, I'll be happy to test tomorrow.

Btw, wish me luck. TV is coming in on a big rig which is meeting me in the Wal-Mart parking lot to unload it into my pickup truck. Haha, gotta love small towns with small little residential streets...
Your best bet for detailed info is to visit the HTPC section of the forum - most the expertise resides there with PC display to TV - or search the Samsung 1080P owners or Qualia thread as members have been experimenting with PC and 1080P display for nearly 2 months now and perhaps the same principles may apply here with the Toshiba 1080P set. (CAVEAT - Review your Owners Manual first though) Good luck! :)

Westa, did you decide to forgo 1080P for now? You were going to get a 1080P Samsung, then switched to the 1080p SXRD, now I see you're getting a plasma, I think it's 768P right? Did you just decide to wait until next year for 1080P?

Westa, did you decide to forgo 1080P for now? You were going to get a 1080P Samsung, then switched to the 1080p SXRD, now I see you're getting a plasma, I think it's 768P right? Did you just decide to wait until next year for 1080P?
Interesting and I knew I'd get asked. But I went through 3 order delays with TVA Sammy 6768 and saw too many QC issues and cancelled and switched to a preorder with Crutchfield on the 60" SXRD and my preorder got delayed 3 times with them also and I figured why pay MSRP? I have to wait anyways so I cancelled that preorder. (Sorry but 3 strikes and your out especially at MSRP prices.)

I then tried to order the same TV through Sunshine and when contacted he told me they'd give me a shipping tracker in 14 days and I said what? My wife and I will be on vacation so I had to cancel that. Then went to Worst Buy in hopes of seeing a 1080P last week and they still had NONE for viewing but they had the XS Sony and the cosmetics were pretty horrendous and none of the RPTV sets could touch the PQ of the Plasma's on Display. The only decent PQ I saw was the A10 and the JVC & Samsung 720P sets. Yes, i've preordered a Hitachi 55" Plasma but it hasn't debuted yet either.

Still may switch back to the SXRD if the PQ can overcome it's otherwise ugly looks. I have the luxury of going away on vacation and coming to a final decision but in the meantime my Sharp LCD gives a pretty fantastic PQ even if it's only 32". Never thought it would be so damn hard to actually receive a TV - when I return at the end of the month Sunshine may build up inventory and hopefully the wait will be over. Either way the new Hitachi will provide an awesome Plasma PQ even if it's not true 1080P and no bulbs to ever replace.

I'll keep following the 1080P threads but nothing seems to be happening even with JVC and the new Hitachi LCOS is supposed to debut in November/December also so a turdload of 1080P is on the horizon - and the preorder requires my final approval to process so I'll count on Hitachi being late like everyone else. The Toshiba MX has great cosmetics but hard to decipher if it delivers on it's feature sets like the Sony, Mits and Sammy can or perhaps the JVC. Eventually someone must have one in stock and available. Our Worst Buy just got remodeled but their selection is pathetic still no Samsung 1080P after 2 months. Yes, I know it looks crazy but everyone knows what the delays have occurred with many of these sets and the serendipity is being able to view feedback of the owners and change your mind. Hopefully the SXRD will be like the Qualia. In the meantime I'm enjoying watching everyone else's experiences and debate. :D

There are none of these sets in my area so far. I have a Sammy 720p set and see lots and lots of rainbows depending on source material. It's more of a "TV" than a primary home theater, which is good for me, since I couldn't stand to critically watch movies on it. For that, I have a CRT front pojector in the basement.

Do these newer 1080p DLP televisions have rainbows to the degree of the 720p sets? I know they can't be eliminated with a single color wheel, but I'd heard they were greatly lessened on these newer sets.

Can anyone who is succeptible to rainbows chime in and let me know if you see them on 1080p DLPs? Thanks.

Will this tv accept true 1080i (I.E. - CBS and NBC) through both of its HDMI ports? I have searched the thread but can not get a solid answer.

~Josh

AkaStp, I've got an HLP-5063W, so I guess the problem would be about the same. Damn. I like the set a lot except for the rainbows. There are times I see them every time I blink my eyes...

Guess I'll be checking out the SXRD sets and paying the premium for the three-chip design. I'm not a fan of straight LCD, so that's out.

Just got back from Fry's to see the Toshiba 56hm195... I was pretty disapointed. I also noticed the blocking during fast motion. It was much worse than the Sammies and Mitsus. Again, this was at Frys, and I know they had a satelite feed split a hundred times. I could also see horizontal lines sort of floating upward, which I know comes from a poor signal/connection. IMO, the sammies had better colors. The 6168 was beautiful with a 1080i signal. Also took a few minutes with the new Sharp 720p dlps, they aren't quite as bright, but the picture looked good, much better than I was expecting. The Toshiba almost looked as if there was either too much, or just poor video processing. Like I said, very disapointed as I had high expectations for this set. I would still like to see it with some clean HD, or even progressive scan DVD to get a better idea. :confused:

Just got back from Fry's to see the Toshiba 56hm195... I was pretty disapointed. I also noticed the blocking during fast motion. It was much worse than the Sammies and Mitsus. Again, this was at Frys, and I know they had a satelite feed split a hundred times. I could also see horizontal lines sort of floating upward, which I know comes from a poor signal/connection. IMO, the sammies had better colors. The 6168 was beautiful with a 1080i signal. Also took a few minutes with the new Sharp 720p dlps, they aren't quite as bright, but the picture looked good, much better than I was expecting. The Toshiba almost looked as if there was either too much, or just poor video processing. Like I said, very disapointed as I had high expectations for this set. I would still like to see it with some clean HD, or even progressive scan DVD to get a better idea. :confused:

I saw the 56MX195 and to my eyes it has a superior PQ. I did not see the artifacts that you described. However, evoryones eyes are different right? I think that's why the various manufactureres sell all those units:)

Yes ikioki,
I also have to say, the sammies were using a 1080i hard drive feed right next to the tv, and the mitsus had a 1080p hard drive feed. That's why I said I would still like to see it with a clean feed. The horizontal floating lines I described almost seemed to get worse the further down the room on the different sets. But it was the obvious split second blocking during motion that scared me the most. I thought this might be a problem with the fast motion processing, and not necesarily the feed, but I could defenitely be wrong. They need to put that set right next to the mitsu and sammie 1080ps and give the the exact same signal.

sorry, I meant ikoiko...

cheers.

I have a Toshiba 62 HM 195 on the way. I have a question. Will the DirectTV's HD Tivo unit which can broadcast in signals up to 1080i impede the HM 195 from broadcasting in 1080P? Any input would be appreciated.

From what I understand, 1080i is best as far as cable/broadcast because the tv only has to deinterlace the signal, and doesn't have to rescale it. Let us know how it goes after you get her set up. Congrats!

Are there any major differences between the 62HM195 and the 62MX195 except that the 62MX195 has:

"gloss black bezel to give images extra pop, standard PC input, Ethernet jack for accessing MP3s and digital photos from a PC and custom color adjustment"?

Also does the 62HM195 have two HDMI inputs capable of true 1080i such as CBS and NBC?

Finally does both HDMI inputs or even one of the HDMI inputs on the 62HM195 have audio RCA jacks associated to it for people that have A/V devices that output using a DVI connection?

~Josh

Just got back from Fry's to see the Toshiba 56hm195... I was pretty disapointed. I also noticed the blocking during fast motion. It was much worse than the Sammies and Mitsus. Again, this was at Frys, and I know they had a satelite feed split a hundred times. I could also see horizontal lines sort of floating upward, which I know comes from a poor signal/connection. IMO, the sammies had better colors. The 6168 was beautiful with a 1080i signal. Also took a few minutes with the new Sharp 720p dlps, they aren't quite as bright, but the picture looked good, much better than I was expecting. The Toshiba almost looked as if there was either too much, or just poor video processing. Like I said, very disapointed as I had high expectations for this set. I would still like to see it with some clean HD, or even progressive scan DVD to get a better idea. :confused:

If you are tlaking about the Fry's off Olympia, I saw the same thing. I'm positive it was the crappy source they were using. I'll know for sure Saturday. I'm going down to Ed Kellum in Dallas since the just got the 62mx195 and I want to go see it. They are supposed to get the 56mx195 next week.

Finally does both HDMI inputs or even one of the HDMI inputs on the 62HM195 have audio RCA jacks associated to it for people that have A/V devices that output using a DVI connection?

~Josh

Both HDMI inputs have associated RCA audio jacks.

Well I received my 62MX195 yesterday. My first HDTV. First of all I love the picture but have nothing to compare it to. After a few hours of being confused and completely overwhelmed I did find my local HD channels. All 6 of them. :rolleyes:

I watched part of a football game on ESPN HD. I didn't mean to. I had a busy evening planned. But once I saw the picture at 1080i, I slowly knelt to the floor, grabbed a pillow and couldn't bring myself to leave for awhile. I loved it!

I'm still lost for the most part. My DVD player is completely outdated and can only connect by S-Video which gives a very "okay" picture. I know, only 480i, same thing as SD which is why it looked about the same as the SD shows I was watching. One thing at a time though and the TV was what I wanted first.

The cable I'm using for my cable box is suspect component as Wal-Mart is all we have and even though it has the colors, red, green and blue on the connectors, no where on the box does it mention component. So I will order a couple cable's today I think.

Anyway, I'm up and running and really love the HD channels that we do have. :)

Congrats on your new TV!
One thing, if you have wide-screen format DVD movies, then go get DVD player with component output. You should see huge improvement compared to svideo and theater wide zoom. There are also upscaling DVD player with HDMI, but you won't see huge difference. Your TV should have descent upscaler and deinterlacer.

If you are tlaking about the Fry's off Olympia, I saw the same thing. I'm positive it was the crappy source they were using. I'll know for sure Saturday. I'm going down to Ed Kellum in Dallas since the just got the 62mx195 and I want to go see it. They are supposed to get the 56mx195 next week.

Yes, it was at that Frys. Give us your thoughts after you check Ed Kellum's set. Hopefully they'll have a descent feed going to it. Where is it by the way? You can PM me.

Yes, it was at that Frys. Give us your thoughts after you check Ed Kellum's set. Hopefully they'll have a descent feed going to it. Where is it by the way? You can PM me.

Ed Kellum is down at the Highland Park area of Dallas. Been there for like 50 years. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=4533+Cole+Ave,+Dallas,+TX+75205&iwloc=A&hl=en

Has anyone had a chance to see the 72HM195? Is the display as sharp as the 62HM195? Same picture info on a larger screen (72) may not be as sharp.

Yes, it was at that Frys. Give us your thoughts after you check Ed Kellum's set. Hopefully they'll have a descent feed going to it. Where is it by the way? You can PM me.

The 62mx195 was on display. They were driving the set with Discovery HD on component 1. The screen was bright since they were using the high lamp setting. I messed around with the settings for about 20 minutes and thought the picture looked real good. The program on discovery was some home building show so it sucked for looking at blacks, action, etc. Sometimes the retailers are boneheads.

The room it was in is pretty small, but you can view the 62mx195 at eye level to about 10'. At an angle of about 45 degrees, the picture still looked bright and clear at 15-17'. Those were about the max distances possible with the rooms they have.

I also switched it to OTA SD content and although it looked predictably blurry, it wasn't too bad. I can just hear the comments from the family though...

I did notice one thing. Either the demo set had a defect, or all of the Toshibas have an engineering problem. When the Discovery HD program would change angles in the programming, the Toshiba screen would blank out. I thought I remembered seeing that at Fry's. I will definitely check the next time I'm there (in a few days).

It was so annoying, it dropped the Toshiba to the bottom of my short list. The thing that was alarming was that none of the other HDTV's exhibited this behavior and they were all using the same feed. The 62mx195 was side-by-side with the Mitsubishi 62628, 62627 and 62527. There were a number of Sony sets in the room as well. I did not check the Mits settings although it looked like it was set to default torch mode.

I love the clean cabinet lines of the Toshiba. The speakers had a good deep sound on the SD content. The HD content was video only which is beyond stupid. As before in Fry's, I walked the menus and felt some programming rookie created them. They seemed soo 80's. Compared to the Sammy, they sucked.

So, I'm back in a holding pattern until I see the 58" HP. The Toshiba didn't have me rushing to hand someone my credit card.

I have a question for those knowleadable A/V guys out there. Please only reply if you definitely know the answer to this question.
I am buying the Toshiba 1080p #62MX195.

I have a Pioneer Elite DV-05 DVD player and want to know whether I should upgrade it:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_15020671_33971_tab=B,00.html?compName=PNA_ProductDet ailComponent

[As reviewed on the below sites]:
http://www.guidetohometheater.com/dvdplayers/51/
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviews/dv05.html
http://ultimateavmag.com/dvdplayers/51/

The DVD player does NOT have a progressive scan feature, and only comes with component video inputs.
I was wondering if I would notice a big difference between running my DV-05 (through component video) at 480i or buying either a:
Panasonic DVD-S77
Sony DVP-NS90V

Since the Toshiba 62MX195 has its own internal scaler, can it make my DV-05 DVD player look nearly as good as these new DVD players?

[in a year or so I will hookup to the TV a HTPC for DVD playback and other purposes BUT if the 480i DV-05 DVD player looks a lot poorer than the 2 above players I may buy somethign for the meantime]

Thanks.

HaloBox...how was the Tosh's PQ compared to the Mits sitting next to it? I may have a chance to get the Mits at a good price.

HaloBox...how was the Tosh's PQ compared to the Mits sitting next to it? I may have a chance to get the Mits at a good price.

I thought they were very similar close up and at 10+ feet. However, the Discover HD programming they were showing sucked for demonstrating anything useful. It was a typical weekend with too many people. I'll probably go back down there later this week when they unpack the 56mx195.

I'll take some DVD's and see if they'll let me spend some time really comparing brightness, whites, blacks, colors, etc.

One thing I did notice was the detail. I learned from doing the Samsung and Mitsubishi compares to look for the clay face thing. The Mits has very good detail in that regard. So does the Toshiba. It certainly had comparible detail to the Mits and much better detail than the Sony's in the room. I ran through different settings with sharpness, detailing, etc.

More later this week...

Thanks!! Looking forward to your comments. My list of contenders are:
Tosh 56" & 62"
Mits 62"
Sony SXRD 60"

Thanks!! Looking forward to your comments. My list of contenders are:
Tosh 56" & 62"
Mits 62"
Sony SXRD 60"


What about HP md5880n & md6580n

HP is the ONLY one that has FULL 1080p at 60 hz on the HDMI and FULL VGA from the computer 1920x1080.

See attachment, hope it shows

Oops, yes, I forgot to mention, the HP 58" too :)

The 62mx195 was on display. They were driving the set with Discovery HD on component 1. The screen was bright since they were using the high lamp setting. I messed around with the settings for about 20 minutes and thought the picture looked real good. The program on discovery was some home building show so it sucked for looking at blacks, action, etc. Sometimes the retailers are boneheads.

The room it was in is pretty small, but you can view the 62mx195 at eye level to about 10'. At an angle of about 45 degrees, the picture still looked bright and clear at 15-17'. Those were about the max distances possible with the rooms they have.

I also switched it to OTA SD content and although it looked predictably blurry, it wasn't too bad. I can just hear the comments from the family though...

I did notice one thing. Either the demo set had a defect, or all of the Toshibas have an engineering problem. When the Discovery HD program would change angles in the programming, the Toshiba screen would blank out. I thought I remembered seeing that at Fry's. I will definitely check the next time I'm there (in a few days).

It was so annoying, it dropped the Toshiba to the bottom of my short list. The thing that was alarming was that none of the other HDTV's exhibited this behavior and they were all using the same feed. The 62mx195 was side-by-side with the Mitsubishi 62628, 62627 and 62527. There were a number of Sony sets in the room as well. I did not check the Mits settings although it looked like it was set to default torch mode.

I love the clean cabinet lines of the Toshiba. The speakers had a good deep sound on the SD content. The HD content was video only which is beyond stupid. As before in Fry's, I walked the menus and felt some programming rookie created them. They seemed soo 80's. Compared to the Sammy, they sucked.

So, I'm back in a holding pattern until I see the 58" HP. The Toshiba didn't have me rushing to hand someone my credit card.

When the set exhibited this anomaly, did you ask the sales people if this was a common occurrence with this particular unit?

I finally saw the 72HM195 at Frye's today, next to a 6168. I must say its one of the biggest, clearest sets I've seen. I've been waiting for the 73 Mits, the Tosh 72, and the Sammy 71 to be in the same room together, and I'm getting closer to that. There was a JVC 70" right next to it, so there was a good comparative field. I did notice a bit of "noise" in the picture, which was probably source-related, but the uniformity of brightness, contrast and blacks was pretty damn cool. At just under $5K, it probably ranks as the current best bang for the buck, but with no 1080p pc input, I'm a little bummed. I think the HMX has this? If so, the field narrows considerably, but I haven't seen the HP either, a little smaller, but maybe the 1080p inputs are worth it. hmmm

Question for you owners of the 195 series. :)

How is the tv guide feature and if you are using ota how does it incorporate with a cable signal is it all displayed like how it is shown in the owners manual or like a satellite guide from dss etc ?

jbailey895 when you saw the 72" beside the Jvc how was the difference in picture quality. I know the Jvc is a 720p tv. The reason was I was impressed with the current 70" from Jvc.

Iam try to decide between the Toshiba 72MX195 and the Jvc 70FH96. The Toshiba does seeem to have very nice features like the program guide and allows the user to set the video preference for each inputs.

I dont have a cost here for the Jvc in Canada but from what I can gather the Toshiba will sell for atleast $3000.00 less than the Jvc. I hope that Iam wrong.

I finally reeived my 62MX195. The picture is sooo awesome specially HD and HDMI DVD. I've been trying to set the TVGOS feature but somehow, someway, I can' seem to get the TV to detect the cable box (Scientific Atlanta Explorer) connected via component cables. The instructions ask where the cable box is connected and the only choices are ANT 1 or VIDEO 1. I followed the instructions but still not working.
Any suggestions?

I have a few more questions but I'll try to correct one issue at a time. Thanks.

I finally reeived my 62MX195. The picture is sooo awesome specially HD and HDMI DVD. I've been trying to set the TVGOS feature but somehow, someway, I can' seem to get the TV to detect the cable box (Scientific Atlanta Explorer) connected via component cables. The instructions ask where the cable box is connected and the only choices are ANT 1 or VIDEO 1. I followed the instructions but still not working.
Any suggestions?

I have a few more questions but I'll try to correct one issue at a time. Thanks.

You need to split the cable before the box and connect it to ant 1. Thats how I got it to work.

When the set exhibited this anomaly, did you ask the sales people if this was a common occurrence with this particular unit?

No. It was actually pretty weird on this trip. Usually a salesperson latches on to you and won't leave you alone. This time, I went to the restroom first then strolled in and found the Tosh. Nobody bothered me the entire time I was there and I was happy not having a salesman asking me a bunch of questions. It was pretty funny because one of the sale reps got uncomfortable that I switched the set from HD to a SD channel. The group that was viewing all the sets starting asking about SD versus HD channels and the quality. :)

I didn't really pay much attention to the screen blanks at first because I was doing a lot of menuing so it seemed normal. However, after walking through the video settings and getting things the way I wanted, it became apparent. I wouldn't get overly concerned, unless someone else manages to see the same thing and report it here. I wouldn't call it a trend. It could be that particular unit had a defect.

I'm not really interested in a 62" anyway so when they get their 56" unpacked, I'll go back and check out both. If it's still doing the same crap, I'll ask about it.

Well how did the 62" look?

Question for you owners of the 195 series. :)

How is the tv guide feature and if you are using ota how does it incorporate with a cable signal is it all displayed like how it is shown in the owners manual or like a satellite guide from dss etc ?

jbailey895 when you saw the 72" beside the Jvc how was the difference in picture quality. I know the Jvc is a 720p tv. The reason was I was impressed with the current 70" from Jvc.

Iam try to decide between the Toshiba 72MX195 and the Jvc 70FH96. The Toshiba does seeem to have very nice features like the program guide and allows the user to set the video preference for each inputs.

I dont have a cost here for the Jvc in Canada but from what I can gather the Toshiba will sell for atleast $3000.00 less than the Jvc. I hope that Iam wrong.

Check DTVCity website in Atlanta - Unless they have a typo the price is competitive on the 1080P JVC's. :)

You need to split the cable before the box and connect it to ant 1. Thats how I got it to work.

But this will degrade the signal, right? Do you notice a big difference in picture quality. If it does, I'd rather have the quality than feature.

I'm going to try to get a cable card if the bugs have been corrected.

Question for you owners of the 195 series. :)

How is the tv guide feature and if you are using ota how does it incorporate with a cable signal is it all displayed like how it is shown in the owners manual or like a satellite guide from dss etc ?

jbailey895 when you saw the 72" beside the Jvc how was the difference in picture quality. I know the Jvc is a 720p tv. The reason was I was impressed with the current 70" from Jvc.

Iam try to decide between the Toshiba 72MX195 and the Jvc 70FH96. The Toshiba does seeem to have very nice features like the program guide and allows the user to set the video preference for each inputs.

I dont have a cost here for the Jvc in Canada but from what I can gather the Toshiba will sell for atleast $3000.00 less than the Jvc. I hope that Iam wrong.


My 62MX195 with OTA HD Signal and cable w/o box looks pretty much like the manual. Though I have not seen an ad in the ad panel.

OTA HD channels are listed right with the cabel channels, have not desided if I will go HD cable or HD Satellite.

Actually, the JVC and the Tosh had very similar brightness, but the Tosh definitely had the edge on the sharpness and clarity. Both beautiful sets, and when the JVC 1080p's come out, they'll definitely be worth a look. . . if anyone is willing to wait that long. . . . I wanna see Tosh 72 v. Mits 73 vs. JVC 70 vs. HP 65, but I may not have the patience.

Has anyone else who bought a MX195 series TV experienced this problem:

When using the component video, on dark scenes, does anyone see and 'noise' on the screen that is not part of the picture? I have a 62MX195 and when I'm watching DVD (which I need to have hooked up over component), I can see some of this 'noise' present. I know it's not the from the actual DVD itself since when I freeze the picture, I can still see the 'noise' occurring. I know there was some info in the other thread about bad 'gray noise' on the 720P Toshiba sets. Is the the phenomena they were referring too? This does not seem to occur when watching cable via the HDMI.

When attaching an HTPC to the xhm195 units

What is the max rez/refresh through the VGA? I know the component is 1080i
Any problems doing component or DVI->HDMI with aN NVIDIA high end card in terms of overscan?

So is there a solid answer on whether or not the Toshiba 1080p's can accept a 1080p signal through their HDMI inputs or not? I know that several have called Toshiba's Customer Support and been told that they can accept a true 1080p signal.

~Josh

Beatboy,

I was told it can only accept an XVGA signal??? Is that not 4:3 and not even 16:9?

My understanding is that the Tosh 1080p's can not accept 1080p over HDMI.
Only HP seems to be claiming they can take 1080p via HDMI.

Two issues I've heard/read:
1) At manufacture time spec was not finalized for 1080p over HDMI... so how/what should a manufacturer include for 1080p input?
2) Bandwidth demands for 1080p input is very high and at extreme limit of current crop of HDMI chips. HP have been hand picking chips for thier sets.

BUt the XM195 versions (costs $400 more) have a VGA port - so the issue is CAN you do 1080p over VGA.

The samsung 1080p oiver VGA looks great - comepletely readable desktop with SMALL FONTS. in fact, test patterns show you really do get almost all 1080p lines resolved.

Has anyone else who bought a MX195 series TV experienced this problem:

When using the component video, on dark scenes, does anyone see and 'noise' on the screen that is not part of the picture? This does not seem to occur when watching cable via the HDMI.

I think what you are seeing and refering to is macroblocking. Apparently it is a problem on those dvd players that use a Genesis/Faroudja FLI-2310 type video processing chip.

I bought a Panasonic S77 for my Toshba so I can upconvert it to 1080i via the hdmi cable. From the review this unit also suffers from the problem. Hope fully I can live with it, if it's not too bad.

The picture quality from the S77 is very good a very smooth film like picture.

I think and wonder if you use the hdmi and upconvert to 1080i the problem maybe reduced as you noticed ?

Yaamon,

Can you connect a VGA cable with a notebook or something and try and set it to 1280x720p and 1920x1080p and see if the VGA accepts this input ala the samsung?

I think what you are seeing and refering to is macroblocking. Apparently it is a problem on those dvd players that use a Genesis/Faroudja FLI-2310 type video processing chip.

I bought a Panasonic S77 for my Toshba so I can upconvert it to 1080i via the hdmi cable. From the review this unit also suffers from the problem. Hope fully I can live with it, if it's not too bad.

The picture quality from the S77 is very good a very smooth film like picture.

I think and wonder if you use the hdmi and upconvert to 1080i the problem maybe reduced as you noticed ?

I don't think it's the actual DVD player, since it seems to do the same thing with my X-Box, with is also hooked up via component.

Any other suggestions? If this is just my TV, I may want to return it soon.

1080p over VGA .....

I spoke to Torey in the USA department (only person there by that name) and she ASSURES ME the upcoming manual states 1920x1080p over VGA. 1920x1080i over HDMI.

She also stated if I get the set and this is NOT true to call them and they will make sure it gets returned to whoever - very very nice about it all.

Thats good news re VGA 1080p, is that exclusive to the HMX95? I think so. The Frye's this weekend that had the HM195 had no clue re the VGA port, and I couldn't get around the TV to check to see if there even was one on that model. The Tosh definitely seems to be the most reasonably priced for its size, and looks like a great set. Now Costco just needs to carry it like they do the other Tosh's.

BUt the XM195 versions (costs $400 more) have a VGA port - so the issue is CAN you do 1080p over VGA.

The samsung 1080p oiver VGA looks great - comepletely readable desktop with SMALL FONTS. in fact, test patterns show you really do get almost all 1080p lines resolved.

Sjchmura,

You should be able to get full 1920 x 1080 resolution desktop by 1080i HDMI. So, it's not a resolution you can get by having VGA port for extra $400.

To be honest - I am doing that now with a CRT and it is so painful. Games all want progressive and it looks better. You want this to be as painless as a monitor for 5K - that should not be hard.

1920x1080p will show up in Half-life2 and other games automagically.If the opening screen is 1280x720p it should just scale it - not go "out of sync" until you cna hack a custom monitor profile.

The VGA 1080p of the samsung is stunning. The Lag issue for NON-VGA sources makes me not want it.

The toshiba is gorgeous screen. The better finish and VGA is worth - well on sale - $350 for me.

Has anyone else who bought a MX195 series TV experienced this problem:

When using the component video, on dark scenes, does anyone see and 'noise' on the screen that is not part of the picture? I have a 62MX195 and when I'm watching DVD (which I need to have hooked up over component), I can see some of this 'noise' present. I know it's not the from the actual DVD itself since when I freeze the picture, I can still see the 'noise' occurring. I know there was some info in the other thread about bad 'gray noise' on the 720P Toshiba sets. Is the the phenomena they were referring too? This does not seem to occur when watching cable via the HDMI.


Sorry I think it might be yours. My 62MX195 is connected to a real cheap under $40 DVD unit, component and only outputing 480i, can't wait to upgrade.

Just watched Sin City again, very impressed in PQ over my older RPTV CRT.

Never seen the problem that you are having. I played with the settings by turning DNR, and MPEG Noise Reduction on, nothing. Turned the lamp to high nothing, Dynamic Contrast on and off and again nothing. DVD input: Contrast is 45 and Brightness is 40

Thats good news re VGA 1080p, is that exclusive to the HMX95? I think so. The Frye's this weekend that had the HM195 had no clue re the VGA port, and I couldn't get around the TV to check to see if there even was one on that model. The Tosh definitely seems to be the most reasonably priced for its size, and looks like a great set. Now Costco just needs to carry it like they do the other Tosh's.


You will not find a VGA port on any HM195's.

Don't count on Costco to carry any HM195 or MX195 for a few years, I talked to the manager there and he said that there TVs are new but a little older in technology

I have the 62" without the PC input. The manual states emphatically several times NOT to use the HDMI inputs with a PC. Anyone know why? Unless someone tells me definitively otherwise, I won't try it - don't want to ruin a new tv. But, if Toshiba is just covering their butts against a minuscule potential problem, or they don't want to be troubleshooting connection issues, I'd love to hook up my laptop for some big screen action.

You will not find a VGA port on any HM195's.

Don't count on Costco to carry any HM195 or MX195 for a few years, I talked to the manager there and he said that there TVs are new but a little older in technology

Actually, each Costco has regional buyers that shop independently; also their website already has the 73827, which almost no retailer has on the shelves yet. I've found each Costco to have a little different inventory than the others, thats why its so much fun to go to other Costco's to see what they've got. Last year I drove 6 hrs each way to buy a Plasma at the Tempe Home Store, not only for the adventure but to get the latest shizznit.

I always feel safer at Costco since you don't have to buy an EW and they Always stand behind their products, unlike the etailers or most B&M.

All that being said, I hope they get the MX's; they had the HM's almost as soon as they came out to everywhere else.

Anybody out there able to confirm 1920x1080 resolution (computer input) on these sets yet?

The one comment about not being able to use the computer thru an HDMI input kind of scares me as well.

Anybody out there able to confirm 1920x1080 resolution (computer input) on these sets yet?

The one comment about not being able to use the computer thru an HDMI input kind of scares me as well.

Don't too much worry about it.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=586029

Note that even if it's 1080i that can be fed through HDMI, the resolution is still 1920x1080. Also, display has frame memory for all 1080 lines and refreshing at 60Hz, and hence no flicker, only half of full frame is altered at a time though.

To all those who have HTPC hooked up to 720p HDTV, try set graphic card to output 1080i, you may see some 'flicker like' effect at the very thin line of the image (because of down conversion from 1920x1080 to 1280x720), but you should notice that the other part of image looks just fine. That should be similar to what you can get on those 1080p HDTV with only 1080i capable from HDMI input.

Has anyone else who bought a MX195 series TV experienced this problem:

When using the component video, on dark scenes, does anyone see and 'noise' on the screen that is not part of the picture? I have a 62MX195 and when I'm watching DVD (which I need to have hooked up over component), I can see some of this 'noise' present. I know it's not the from the actual DVD itself since when I freeze the picture, I can still see the 'noise' occurring. I know there was some info in the other thread about bad 'gray noise' on the 720P Toshiba sets. Is the the phenomena they were referring too? This does not seem to occur when watching cable via the HDMI.

My TV is connected via HDMI and I don't see any noise. However, there is a grayish smudge on the lower middle left that is noticeable when the set is off. I thought it was on the outer part that I could wipe off but it's on the inside of the screen. Anyone notice this smudge on their screen also? Is this a reflection of the mirrors?

Sorry I think it might be yours. My 62MX195 is connected to a real cheap under $40 DVD unit, component and only outputing 480i, can't wait to upgrade.

Just watched Sin City again, very impressed in PQ over my older RPTV CRT.

Never seen the problem that you are having. I played with the settings by turning DNR, and MPEG Noise Reduction on, nothing. Turned the lamp to high nothing, Dynamic Contrast on and off and again nothing. DVD input: Contrast is 45 and Brightness is 40

Are you saying that you're not constantly running with the high lamp on? I haven't tried watching with lower light. In fact my contrast is still set at max. Is this a good thing to do?

My TV is connected via HDMI and I don't see any noise. However, there is a grayish smudge on the lower middle left that is noticeable when the set is off. I thought it was on the outer part that I could wipe off but it's on the inside of the screen. Anyone notice this smudge on their screen also? Is this a reflection of the mirrors?


I have a similar problem and put in a service call on mine re: the smudge on my right hand corner and also the loud fan noise. The service tech that looked at it, is going to replace the fans and also clean the inside parts at that time. I have to wait until the parts come in to see if that resolves the issues, otherwise the set is going back. :(

Also, anyone know why one fan has to run 24/7 even when the set is off??? Seems like a big waste of electricity.

Also, anyone know why one fan has to run 24/7 even when the set is off??? Seems like a big waste of electricity.

My questioning email was answered with a simply "to keep the tuner cooled."

Are you saying that you're not constantly running with the high lamp on? I haven't tried watching with lower light. In fact my contrast is still set at max. Is this a good thing to do?

From other things I have read you do not want to have your contrast cranked all the way up because your bulb is more likely to burn out. This is the case with crt TV's so I would imagine it would also be the case with a projection as well. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong I'm sure.

Are you saying that you're not constantly running with the high lamp on? I haven't tried watching with lower light. In fact my contrast is still set at max. Is this a good thing to do?

Yes lamp on low, about 30 minutes after going through the menu. Every now and then I switch it to high and then back. The wife and I don't see much of a change. The picture is not dark by any means.

On Ant 1 and Ant 2: Contrast and Bright levels are close to the center marks (+- 15 of each other). Our Toshiba TIVO by component input is close to the same.

The manual states 8000 hours on low and 6000 hours on high for lamp longevity I don't know how accurate that is, but our 3 year warranty has 2 lamps included in the coverage.

P.S. What I understand about contrast burn in, it doesn't affect DLP's

Has anyone been able to confirm the VGA accepts 1080p??

Have we confirmed if these sets can do 1080p natively? I guess I am asking as newbie is this full blown 1080p and if so how can do tell? If it has hdmi 1080p direct inputs?

Again, the toshiba reps state clearly that VGA ones (xm195) accept 1080p ONLY OVER VGA.

I just have a hard time beleiveing them but multiple ones claim so. The fact that samsung does thisis a good sign i guess.

From other things I have read you do not want to have your contrast cranked all the way up because your bulb is more likely to burn out. This is the case with crt TV's so I would imagine it would also be the case with a projection as well. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong I'm sure.


This was the factory setting. When I lowered it just a tad, it made a big difference on the brightness, so I returned it to factory settings.

Is there a way to lock the channel up/down button in the TV mode because I keep accidentally hitting the button and the input changes to Ant 1 which no OTA is connected, then I have to go through the input again, even though I have only the ones connected showing?

I need a way to simplify the remote. I don't like the mode button since you have to scroll through all the different inputs. I'd rather press the input to access the features.

Yes lamp on low, about 30 minutes after going through the menu. Every now and then I switch it to high and then back. The wife and I don't see much of a change. The picture is not dark by any means.

On Ant 1 and Ant 2: Contrast and Bright levels are close to the center marks (+- 15 of each other). Our Toshiba TIVO by component input is close to the same.

The manual states 8000 hours on low and 6000 hours on high for lamp longevity I don't know how accurate that is, but our 3 year warranty has 2 lamps included in the coverage.

P.S. What I understand about contrast burn in, it doesn't affect DLP's


How do you switch to low from high? I haven't the time to go through all these settings. I'm still trying to simplify the remote operations.

Newbie question - What is the difference between the Toshiba 56HM195 and 56MX195? Thanks.

Benear,

Not a perfect solution, but try this.
In 'Preferences' - 'Input Labeling' menu, you can set unused inputs to 'hide', after that input toggling just skips those inputs.
Also, right after pressing 'input' button, you can press some number button to go directly to desired input. For example, if you want to go to component1, press 'input' and then '4'.
Hope this helps a bit.

My questioning email was answered with a simply "to keep the tuner cooled."

Thanks for the reply, but if the set is "off" why does the tuner still need cooling?

Thanks for the reply, but if the set is "off" why does the tuner still need cooling?

The only thought I have on this topic relates back to televisions still have power running through the circuity even when "off."

I turned off the "quick restart" feature hoping that this would also "kill the fan," but it only stopped the prolonged cooling down of the bulb when shut off. Then that gentle, but never ending purr continued. To think that at one time in my life, I did not want a DVR because it had a fan. :rolleyes:

Newbie question - What is the difference between the Toshiba 56HM195 and 56MX195? Thanks.

A VGA and ethernet connection is added to the MX195 sets. Apparently from the ethernet connection you can do slide shows from pictures on other computers on your home network.

Benear,

Not a perfect solution, but try this.
In 'Preferences' - 'Input Labeling' menu, you can set unused inputs to 'hide', after that input toggling just skips those inputs.
Also, right after pressing 'input' button, you can press some number button to go directly to desired input. For example, if you want to go to component1, press 'input' and then '4'.
Hope this helps a bit.

Thanks, that helps.

Is there a way to disable the channel up/down button in TV mode? Or a way to program the same button to change the mode to say CABLE when you press the channel up/down?

Thanks, that helps.

Is there a way to disable the channel up/down button in TV mode? Or a way to program the same button to change the mode to say CABLE when you press the channel up/down?

Sure, get a universal remote, ;)

But to answer your question, I'm pretty sure there isn't a way to do that.

Again, the toshiba reps state clearly that VGA ones (xm195) accept 1080p ONLY OVER VGA.

I just have a hard time beleiveing them but multiple ones claim so. The fact that samsung does thisis a good sign i guess.

Has anyone here actually received a MX195 series and tested the connection options from a computer with either the NVIDIA or ATI GPU's???

If so, please indicate the video card you are using, the conection you are using, and the maximum resolution obtained. It would also be good to know how you like it. :)

Yes, I SHOULD trust the people at Toshiba but just don't on their "1080p" over VGA claims

FWIW, I just got back from playing with a 72HM195 at Frye's, and it was definitely a nice set. The lack of a VGA input of any kind is pretty annoying, and the inputs on the remote area little counter-intuitive. Apparently there is no way to get a 1080p signal in this puppy. Frye's says they won't be carrying the MX at all. Bummer. Although significantly cheaper than the 73 Mits, the lack of a 1080p input seems to be a sticking point, especially when the Sammy's and Mits have them. Hopefully the MX can do it.

From what I understand, the "X" series product will not be as widely distributed, so it is unlikely to show up in places like Frye's and Costco.

From other things I have read you do not want to have your contrast cranked all the way up because your bulb is more likely to burn out. This is the case with crt TV's so I would imagine it would also be the case with a projection as well. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong I'm sure.

Having the contrast at 100/100 will not cause harm to the TV the way it would a CRT set. It also won't affect bulb life. All it does is keep the chip mirrors in the "on" position longer, reflecting more of the light from the bulb toward white areas of the image. It will however blind you and make you see spots if you stare it for long enough set to 100/100.

High power mode may shorten bulb life somewhat, but turning the set on/off frequently will play the largest role in the lifespan of the bulb.

Howdy all,
Okay, I hope what I have is a basic question and the answer is just some general setting I've messed up.

TV is 62MX195 - DVD player via component (doesn't have HDMI) and cable box (motorola) via HDMI. Everything has been fine the past couple days. I've watched a Widescreen formatted DVD via the "Natural" pic size and I've watched CBS HD via the "Natural" pic size.

Tonight I turn on the same DVD and on "Natural" the widescreen is shrunk. Like I've zoomed out. Perfectly ratio'd. Looks like width wise it fits in the Full screen format and then the height is scaled down ratio wise. I figure I screwed up the DVD setup so I flip on CSI via HD. Same thing. Now, yeah, I can change the "Pic Size" to the different Theatre settings and stretch it to a point but what happened?

Why is the Widescreen messed up on the DVD?

Now, at one point I thought I heard a "pop" tonight. My wife heard it. Sounded like a bulb pop BUT the PQ is fine, no difference, and partly through CSI HD, after I flipped around a little, I had the full screen widescreen again using the Natural pic setting. But the DVD didn't fix itself, still the shrunk down Widescreen look.

I'm sure that's clear as mud. Any idea's?

Mathue73 maybe you can check the dvd settings and make sure its set for progressive scan and 16x9 format screen.

Then once that is set all you should need to do is select Full on the tv ?

Natural is for 4x3 pictures with side bars.

Once you select 16x9 in the dvd you have to select full on the tv to watch if not the images will look compressed and the faces look taller and squeezed.

Once you set the tv for full while watchign a dvd, if you go back to watching tv will it revert back to the natural settings. I wonder if this can store this video preference too for each input ?

Yaamon,
I'll check this tonight. I do remember going into the menu of the TV and seeing a "Preferences" option. I had assumed this was the same thing as pressing the "Pic Size" button on the remote. If it is not, then it is a good bet this has something to do with what I messed up. Last result I may just reset the TV to factory options and take more care (and notes) when playing around with options in the future. I really don't think I've changed anything on the DVD player itself so it's gotta be something on the TV.

Btw, does anyone with the MX have reccomendations on where the general picture settings slider bars should be adjusted? I watched the Longest Yard the other night and the people looked like they had Jaundice. CSI last night showed a little too much red in people's faces. No idividual color adjustments so would that be Tint? Are there any general rules to these adjustments a newbie should know?

Thanks for all the help.

How do you switch to low from high? I haven't the time to go through all these settings. I'm still trying to simplify the remote operations.

Press menu, surf to the video section, arrow down to Advanced Picture Settings, go to the bottom of that menu press left or right arrow and it will change.

Also, anyone know why one fan has to run 24/7 even when the set is off??? Seems like a big waste of electricity.

That fan is not a big waste of electricity, and it does serve a function.

If you really looked at all the stuff you have plugged in to your outlets you would be surprised at the amount of electricity being wasted. There is a lot of stuff just sitting in standby mode.

About fan noise: I have to put my head right next to the vent to even here the fan running when turned OFF. Standing right in front of the TV when ON, I can barely here all fans running with the TV fully muted.

Yeah, I'm of the opinion that if it's too good to be true then it usually is. I just don't have a ton of faith in the people they pay to answer these kind of questions. I really want to believe that this is true but when the person on the other end of the line couldn't confirm that pc port would support 1920x1080 but kept saying as long as it was 1080p signal it would work, I started to lose some faith. But man two seperate Toshiba employess both saying it will support a 1080p signal on HDMI and VGA, can they both be wrong? I'll answer my own question and say yes they could be, but I hope not. :rolleyes:

You know what. I emailed Toshiba USA & Canada, and they both told me that 1080p signal would be accepted over HDMI when it's available. But I also have a hard time believing this. But now when have 4 different CSR saying the same thing. Over email & Phone and from Canada & USA. I would realy like to believe this, but I find it kind of hard, cause everyone says that it doesn't. What to do.

They also said that it would take 1080p/24 & 1080p/30.

Here's the e-mails.

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Thanks for writing!



The 56HM195 will accept and display a 1080p signal through the HDMI input.



The 56MX195 will accept and display a 1080p signal through the HDMI input or the PC input.
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And here's when I asked about the FPS.:

Thanks for writing!



We appreciate your interest in Toshiba.



The fps has no affect on the displaying of the signal. To obtain technical assistance, please call 1-800-631-3811.
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I have to agree about the fan. I don't even pay attention to it. Now I don't lay down in front of the TV and try to take a nap or anything but walking through the room it hasn't been an issue at all.

I also noticed my first rainbow the other night. I'm sure it differs for those who see them but it was no big deal. It was during a football game looking at a ref calling a penalty. His white/black zebra stipes produced a rainbow. Quick flash and have never seen it again.

I for one am glad I didn't let these little things stop me from buying. I'm sure they vary in annoyance for people but in my case, so far so good.

Has anyone tried a PC with an MX to see if it can pass 1080p? The HM195's don't even have a PC input. I'd love to believe the MX can, but I haven't seen an MX in the flesh yet.

You know what. I emailed Toshiba USA & Canada, and they both told me that 1080p signal would be accepted over HDMI when it's available. But I also have a hard time believing this. But now when have 4 different CSR saying the same thing. Over email & Phone and from Canada & USA. I would realy like to believe this, but I find it kind of hard, cause everyone says that it doesn't. What to do.

They also said that it would take 1080p/24 & 1080p/30.

Here's the e-mails.

--------------------------
Thanks for writing!



The 56HM195 will accept and display a 1080p signal through the HDMI input.



The 56MX195 will accept and display a 1080p signal through the HDMI input or the PC input.
--------------------------------------

And here's when I asked about the FPS.:

Thanks for writing!



We appreciate your interest in Toshiba.



The fps has no affect on the displaying of the signal. To obtain technical assistance, please call 1-800-631-3811.
-------------------------------------

If this is true then Toshiba is doing a dis-service to themselves. They should do a bit more marketing on this fact, that they do/can support 1080p input just like the HP sets. Am I correct in saying this?

HP is selling a few more sets to early adopters ....that some are based solely on the fact that the HP sets can accept 1080p inputs.

I ordered my 56mx195 yesterday and will verify the 1080p over vga when I get it as my htpc is my primary dvd player. However, I almost bought a HP just because of the guaranteed 1080p support. After many calls and reassurances from Toshiba I went with theirs. *Fingers crossed* Hopefully everything works out I will post my findings when i get everything setup. And to the above posters, I couldn't agree more that they should be marketing the hell out of this if it's true, very few manufacturers offer this now and they would move alot more units if they would just advertise this feature.

Benny32,

Who did you end up buying from and how long before your set arrives? I've toyed with purchasing the MX195 as well but don't know if I can justify the extra $$. Definitely do keep us all updated on the 1080P input as well as pros/cons of your new TV when it arrives.

My CSR from the USA stated that HDMI was 1080i upconverted to "true" 1080p (no reduction in quality to 960x540). This person was VERY informed of the issue and seemed to be reading the tech statement.

However, she stated 1080p @59.97hz was IN THE MANUAL over VGA - she had a copy but the PDF would be avail next week.

I ordered it from Dtvexpress.com partly because of the price, $3129 including shipping, and partly because of the two year warranty that they offer for free, an extra year of the manufacturer warranty. So far I have gotten very good service from them. I don't have a shipping date yet but will keep everyone informed. As far as 1080p over HDMI I knew it was too good to be true but it seemed reasonable that VGA would pan out. I will find out for certain soon I hope.

BTW, how far away from Atlanta do you live as this is where DTV is located? Let us know when it arrives or better yet, how long it took from order date to arrive. I too am considering buying from them or their parent/sibling Co. DTVCity. I suppose it's all the same. But I'm looking more at the 52HMX95 mainly due to saving a $$ and being uncertain of the 1080P sets today always leaving me a good reason to upgrade tomorrow to a 1080P set when they come down to < $2000.

Benny32,

Who did you end up buying from and how long before your set arrives? I've toyed with purchasing the MX195 as well but don't know if I can justify the extra $$. Definitely do keep us all updated on the 1080P input as well as pros/cons of your new TV when it arrives.


I just bought a 62hm195 from: www.hideflifestyle.com

Very happywith the company. Got great pricing combined with shipping + no sales tax. Nice people to work with and they shipped the unit out the same day I ordered. Ask for Mike. Also, If you charge it on a Platinum Visa/Master card you'll get an automatic, no cost, 1 year extension of the original mfgr's warranty. :)

I just bought a 62hm195 from: ???hideflifestyle(dot)com

Dhadyk,
your link did not work for me. is this the correct URL.

I just bought a 62hm195 from: ???hideflifestyle(dot)com

Dhadyk,
your link did not work for me. is this the correct URL.

The link works fine here nown just as it did when he first posted it?

If this is true then Toshiba is doing a dis-service to themselves. They should do a bit more marketing on this fact, that they do/can support 1080p input just like the HP sets. Am I correct in saying this?

HP is selling a few more sets to early adopters ....that some are based solely on the fact that the HP sets can accept 1080p inputs.


Well this is exactly what I was thinking. I mean why would this not be advertised everywhere. It would certainly help to sell the TV. I know that if this would be advertised I would not have a hard time deciding between geting the HM85 or the HM195.

Hey guys, I'm new to posting here, but have been following this thread since I ordered my 62MX195 about a week ago. Got it yesterday. It's an amazing television. Picture quality is stunning using my Samsung DVD player using HDMI. Anyways, about 1080p... So far I've not had any luck getting it to work, though I haven't given up just yet. When I set the PC to 1920x1080@60hz and uncheck interlacing in PowerStrip, I just get a black screen. I know that sjchmura mentioned the Toshiba CSR stated that 1080p is supported at 59.97hz and is in the manual. I have yet to figure out how to set PowerStrip to that exact refresh rate. Closest I can get it is either 59.942 or 59.974. Neither one displays a picture on the TV, just black. 720p works but you have to set the resulution to 1280x768. It displays in widescreen and produces perfect circles (when drawn in Paint with the shift key down), and using the "PC Setting" menu, you can adjust it to have perfect edges (no overscan or underscan) which is kinda nice. The games I tried, FarCry and Battlefield 2 actually list this odd resolution in their video settings menu, and look fantastic running in widescreen. When set to true 1280x720p, you get a clear image, but it's horribly discolored (white shows as green, red is blue, etc.). Not sure what this means. The same thing happens with displaying 1920x1080i through VGA, except that the interlacing fields seem to be reversed as well (text looks like it went through a paper shredder). As far as anything in the manual, I could not find any references to 1080p. :( Hopefully someone can prove me wrong. I've posted the only two pages I've found that reference using a PC, at this address:

unreal(dot)dreamhost(dot)com(slash)images

Replace the (dot) and (slash) with the appropriate characters (I'm not allowed to post links yet. :rolleyes: )

I just bought a 62hm195 from: ???hideflifestyle(dot)com

Dhadyk,
your link did not work for me. is this the correct URL.

Link is correct and is working. Here it is again:

www.hideflifestyle.com

FwyWarriow -
I thinkI may cancel my order now. So even 1080i is not working? What vido card do you have?

My GF7800GTX wil do component out 1080i automatically necesseting the need for the mx xet ...

I just bought the 62mx195 saw it in the store first, of course hard to tell anything with their feed, picture was brighter and clearer than JVC 70" next to it and Sony non-sxrd 60. Both paled in comparison. I looked at Samsung and Mitsubishi, too expensive overall. I was really excited since I came to buy the hm195 thinking it was a steal only to walk out with the mx at that price, 3399.00 free delivery, 5 year EW for 219.00 from GE includes lamp replacements, dealer gave me hdmi cable half price as bonus. This is local B&M store, I called Fry's and Magnolia Highfi, Sears, and Bestbuy, all had the hm195 for 3999.00 to 4199, not even mx series.

Read al 14 pages of this thread. Biggest advantage was the nice look dark dark grey with sparkles screen trim (bezzle?) and bottom speaker, just bought and returned 720P 62HM95, didnt like side speakers and silver color, after seeing both the pixels are much smaller and closer on 195, though not bad or screen doorable on 95. Blacks are very good, still showing details, scene of the bird like pelican in hd loop showed individual feathers on this set and just black and grey color on RCA Scenium, Sony Grand Wega and JVC LCOS 720Ps.

I have the super duper Oppo dvd player cant wait to set up and calibrate to perfection, currently have it running on my 37"westinghouse lcd 1080p set, looks fabulous. Also xbox running Avalaunch or xbox media center outputs 720p or 1080i via component, not bad either. my pc outputs 1080p to the westinghouse, the video card comes with decent software for selecting the monitor so should have good luck with the 62mx195 comes tomorrow.

I will post a definate answer, though you still might not trust me as I am new here. But at least I have had several months experience with 1080P with my westinghouse that most havent, and it accepts 1080p over DVI and VGA.

I will be sitting 10ft from tv, walked it out in store, looked good from there. I mostly watch HD on comcast, NBC, ABC, KIRO, PBS, UPN, WB, FOX, Discovery HD, INHD 1&2. only shows in standerd digital def I watch is nip tuck, and g4, and spike. I have read that the analog over coax with Toshiba's processing looks better than digital standard def over hdmi, I will let you know what I think.

Heard no fan noise at the store with ear up to the back of the cabinet.

One major Flaw! I hate the antiglare screen, it makes like a rainbow colored dust on any white images, I saw the same on my sony PSP when I put the screen protector sticker thing on it, yeah it reduces glare, but makes it dirty gritty looking. I didnt see this on Mits, Samsung,1080p's but did on hm95's, and didtn on 720p jvc and RCas. I saw no problem with TI's wobulation 1080P DLP chip on any of the sets, they all seemed to reduce screen door and make a smooth picture.

One more thing, at the stores they all seemed to push red, and had off colored blue and green kind of too bright on the colors, I hope to tone this down, unfortunately cant simply use a RCA/component filter thing that reduces the signal for red push that I have used for years on all my component inputs to my now dying 65"WS Mitsubishi Dimaond. I really dont plan on using component for hdtv or the upconverted dvd, but still will have to on my dvd recorder and 400mega changer.

I will by the symbio only if I can record shows that I am watching through the motorola comcast box, anyone know if this is possible.?

I am considering the purchase of Toshiba 56MX195. Does anyone have a short lists of the "Good" and "Bad" on the this set?

Has anyone compared to the Mit's WD-52628?

One thing that bothers me is that the Toshiba is sold in "low end" stores that have terrible return policies, the Mit's does not.

I will be using this set for OTA only no cable or sat. We have 28 rock solid digital stations in Houston, 7 of those with tons of HD broadcast.

Has anyone use this set (or the equivalent larger screens) with the TV Guide and OTA, does it work? Have you used this set up in Houston? Thanks.

If you have a 62HM195, can you hear a low level fan/color wheel noise when you have the set running in your home? I have a new 62hm195 (only 2 weeks old) and had to initiate a service call to replace the fans. It's just loud enough to be very annoying. Hope it solves the problem? Otherwise very happy with the set. Appreciate anyone else's experience.

I am considering the purchase of Toshiba 56MX195. Does anyone have a short lists of the "Good" and "Bad" on the this set?

Has anyone compared to the Mit's WD-52628?

One thing that bothers me is that the Toshiba is sold in "low end" stores that have terrible return policies, the Mit's does not.

I will be using this set for OTA only no cable or sat. We have 28 rock solid digital stations in Houston, 7 of those with tons of HD broadcast.

Has anyone use this set (or the equivalent larger screens) with the TV Guide and OTA, does it work? Have you used this set up in Houston? Thanks.

I'm sorry I can't help you with the pros/cons of the MX195 but I may lend you this.
Your issue with "low end" stores only carrying the Toshiba you want may only apply to your area. As a matter of fact the MX and HMX series are typically not sold in the retail chains as they're considered high end sets. You usually will find the MX and HMX sets only in a store other than BB, CC, Sears, you name it. Try looking at www.DTVCity.com or www.DTVExpress.com. I'm positive you'll like their return policy, free extended warranty, not to mention their prices. They do carry the 56MX195 for under $3000. I'm also thinking the Tweeter rep told me they too would be carrying the Toshiba line soon. As a matter of fact he said they would have them in their main warehouse in Atl. last weekend. Albeit he still hasn't called me with pricing and availability.

I just bought the 62mx195 saw it in the store first, of course hard to tell anything with their feed, picture was brighter and clearer than JVC 70" next to it and Sony non-sxrd 60. Both paled in comparison. I looked at Samsung and Mitsubishi, too expensive overall. I was really excited since I came to buy the hm195 thinking it was a steal only to walk out with the mx at that price, 3399.00 free delivery, 5 year EW for 219.00 from GE includes lamp replacements, dealer gave me hdmi cable half price as bonus. This is local B&M store, I called Fry's and Magnolia Highfi, Sears, and Bestbuy, all had the hm195 for 3999.00 to 4199, not even mx series.

Read al 14 pages of this thread. Biggest advantage was the nice look dark dark grey with sparkles screen trim (bezzle?) and bottom speaker, just bought and returned 720P 62HM95, didnt like side speakers and silver color, after seeing both the pixels are much smaller and closer on 195, though not bad or screen doorable on 95. Blacks are very good, still showing details, scene of the bird like pelican in hd loop showed individual feathers on this set and just black and grey color on RCA Scenium, Sony Grand Wega and JVC LCOS 720Ps.

I have the super duper Oppo dvd player cant wait to set up and calibrate to perfection, currently have it running on my 37"westinghouse lcd 1080p set, looks fabulous. Also xbox running Avalaunch or xbox media center outputs 720p or 1080i via component, not bad either. my pc outputs 1080p to the westinghouse, the video card comes with decent software for selecting the monitor so should have good luck with the 62mx195 comes tomorrow.

I will post a definate answer, though you still might not trust me as I am new here. But at least I have had several months experience with 1080P with my westinghouse that most havent, and it accepts 1080p over DVI and VGA.

I will be sitting 10ft from tv, walked it out in store, looked good from there. I mostly watch HD on comcast, NBC, ABC, KIRO, PBS, UPN, WB, FOX, Discovery HD, INHD 1&2. only shows in standerd digital def I watch is nip tuck, and g4, and spike. I have read that the analog over coax with Toshiba's processing looks better than digital standard def over hdmi, I will let you know what I think.

Heard no fan noise at the store with ear up to the back of the cabinet.

One major Flaw! I hate the antiglare screen, it makes like a rainbow colored dust on any white images, I saw the same on my sony PSP when I put the screen protector sticker thing on it, yeah it reduces glare, but makes it dirty gritty looking. I didnt see this on Mits, Samsung,1080p's but did on hm95's, and didtn on 720p jvc and RCas. I saw no problem with TI's wobulation 1080P DLP chip on any of the sets, they all seemed to reduce screen door and make a smooth picture.

One more thing, at the stores they all seemed to push red, and had off colored blue and green kind of too bright on the colors, I hope to tone this down, unfortunately cant simply use a RCA/component filter thing that reduces the signal for red push that I have used for years on all my component inputs to my now dying 65"WS Mitsubishi Dimaond. I really dont plan on using component for hdtv or the upconverted dvd, but still will have to on my dvd recorder and 400mega changer.

I will by the symbio only if I can record shows that I am watching through the motorola comcast box, anyone know if this is possible.?

Hi Chewy...can't wait to hear your feedback once more.

About the red push, the Tosh, your model only I believe, has individual color calibration mode. You can tone done the red color alone. Let us know how well it works.

62" from 10ft? any headaches after watch SD fcor awhile ?

Chewyfang - can't wait to hear your results!!! This VGA issue is kiling me. I have my 72mx15 on order for next weekend after the CSR from toshiba ASSURED me that VGA 1080p would be accepted....

I'm sorry I can't help you with the pros/cons of the MX195 but I may lend you this.
Your issue with "low end" stores only carrying the Toshiba you want may only apply to your area. As a matter of fact the MX and HMX series are typically not sold in the retail chains as they're considered high end sets. You usually will find the MX and HMX sets only in a store other than BB, CC, Sears, you name it. Try looking at www.DTVCity.com or www.DTVExpress.com. I'm positive you'll like their return policy, free extended warranty, not to mention their prices. They do carry the 56MX195 for under $3000. I'm also thinking the Tweeter rep told me they too would be carrying the Toshiba line soon. As a matter of fact he said they would have them in their main warehouse in Atl. last weekend. Albeit he still hasn't called me with pricing and availability.

That is absolutely good news on Tweeter - that is a first class organization, and they have always backed me up 100%...........there other low end stores here have such a terrible reputation, and are unwilling to back any thing up.

That is absolutely good news on Tweeter - that is a first class organization, and they have always backed me up 100%...........there other low end stores here have such a terrible reputation, and are unwilling to back any thing up.I would not rate the Tweeter store in my zip code as "first class". I thought they were some of the worst opinionated, arrogant salespeople I've met over the past couple of months. I wouldn't buy a DVI cable from them. I think part of the problem is that I live in an affluent area and they are used to people coming in there and just buying the most expensive set on the showroom. Those same people have a Benz, Ferrari and Hummer in their five car garage. See the problem?

DTVCity does NOT have these in stock - just called :(

I just looked at the 72" Toshiba, 62" Mitsubishi, 50" and 60" Sony SXRD and they all have this effect. just like my Samsung does. They all seem similar, but the alternative is to have a strong reflection which is even worse to me. Just the reflection off a shiny bezel is very annoying.

So far the Toshiba does not exist in Houston. Went to the local Conns' store and they told there was no such TV, even with the print out form the Toshiba web site. LOL

FwyWarriow -
I thinkI may cancel my order now. So even 1080i is not working? What vido card do you have?

My GF7800GTX wil do component out 1080i automatically necesseting the need for the mx xet ...

I'm running an ATI Radeon X800 PRO. The card does have component HD output, so I suppose I could use that, just no progressive scan. I picked up a DVI to HDMI cable at Radio Shack and have experimented with that a bit. Could only get 1280x720p to work, no 1080 i or p. :confused: I could be doing something wrong though, as this is my first HDTV set that I've tried to use with a computer, other than my parents older Mitsu set, which has no digital connections. Any ideas?

I will be using this set for OTA only no cable or sat. We have 28 rock solid digital stations in Houston, 7 of those with tons of HD broadcast.

Has anyone use this set (or the equivalent larger screens) with the TV Guide and OTA, does it work? Have you used this set up in Houston? Thanks.


I have the 62MX195; and at present we are using OTA for viewing local channels in HD only 7 here, and cable w/out box for the rest.

Our OTA for HD reception is excellent, we didn't need the so-called HD antenna just a regular Radio Shack did the trick. The cable w/out box is still quite good.

The TV Guide is also nice. I do wish the format was more like ATI’s AIW TV Guide, I will be checking out my VGA connection soon, I hope it will be 1080p.

Can't wait to get symbio or an equivalent HD recorder.

So far the Toshiba does not exist in Houston. Went to the local Conns' store and they told there was no such TV, even with the print out form the Toshiba web site. LOL

Try Fry's or Sears, they both have 56HM195 here in Austin. Can't believe not in Houston.

I'm running an ATI Radeon X800 PRO. The card does have component HD output, so I suppose I could use that, just no progressive scan. I picked up a DVI to HDMI cable at Radio Shack and have experimented with that a bit. Could only get 1280x720p to work, no 1080 i or p. :confused: I could be doing something wrong though, as this is my first HDTV set that I've tried to use with a computer, other than my parents older Mitsu set, which has no digital connections. Any ideas?

Just FYI, I don't have any ATI card, but I am running Nvidia 6600GT, DVI-HDMI cable and set to 1080i onto 56HM195, it works perfectly without any trick/tweak.

I just purchased a 62MX195. I would have preferred the 62HM195 as I already have an Avel LinkPlayer2 and don't need the additional network connectivity of the MX. I purchased it from Video Only which doesn't carry the HM, and their price was cheaper than Sears which does carry the HM. So I guess I get additional stuff I don't need for less money. :D

Anyway, the TV will not be delivered until next week. I am wondering how I should set the different options once it arrives. I already plan on setting it to the lower bulb setting. What other settings are you using?

DreamTheater:

How does the 1080i digital look????? Did you try the VGA??? Do you mind? I promise to send you $1 USA :)

Are the cheap DVi-HDMI cables ok?? Like GoCables.com??

DTVCity does NOT have these in stock - just called :(

When you say DTVCity does NOT have these, what "these" are you talking about? I've been talking to them on the 56MX195 and the 52HMX95, both of which they had a week or so ago. It could be possible that they have sold out already. I'll probably order one of the 52HMX95 sets in the next week or so. Maybe they'll have mine in stock then. If not, I'll have to find another place to purchase it from if my local Tweeter don't come through for me.

Unfortunately, this is a common complaint about RP HDTVs and you will read about all over the place in this forum. It is commonly referred to as SSE (Silk Screen Effect) and is a side-effect of the screen type and construction as you have noted. It is not just a "problem" on the Toshiba DLPs, but also on 720p and 1080p DLPs from Samsung and Mitsubishi, etc. Also, RP-LCD TVs from Sony, Panasonic, Mitsubishi, etc. Plus, even the JVC D-ILAs and Sony SXRDs. If nothing else, you can rest easier with the knowledge that switching to a different manufacturer isn't going to alleviate this particular problem.


AkaStp,

Hey thanks for the info, yes it makes me much more satisfied knowing that its just not the toshiba screen that has SSE, have you see it on SXRD as well, that was my next choice if for some reason I didnt keep my toshiba?

The store I bought mine from is Video Only. They have knowledgeable staff, but the seemed to have the best local prices in my area. The bad thing is they dont do full refunds on the TV, you can only exchange for downgrade or upgrade tv.

I'm running an ATI Radeon X800 PRO. The card does have component HD output, so I suppose I could use that, just no progressive scan. I picked up a DVI to HDMI cable at Radio Shack and have experimented with that a bit. Could only get 1280x720p to work, no 1080 i or p. :confused: I could be doing something wrong though, as this is my first HDTV set that I've tried to use with a computer, other than my parents older Mitsu set, which has no digital connections. Any ideas?

I'm not sure this applies to you but some video cards can do 1080i only through vga and not the dvi, I had to upgrade from one like that, it did many resolutions above 720p but just not full 1080i. the max was like 1600 by 1200.


also sounds like it could be a software/driver issue, I had to upgrade driver/firmware on my card the first time. customer support told me that some drivers just arent set up for all the different types of new displays etc. I am using Nvidia software what does the ATI Radeon come with?

Better than the bad reflections on a glass screen. I can't stand that, or even the reflections on a shiny bezel.

I'm running an ATI Radeon X800 PRO. The card does have component HD output, so I suppose I could use that, just no progressive scan. I picked up a DVI to HDMI cable at Radio Shack and have experimented with that a bit. Could only get 1280x720p to work, no 1080 i or p. :confused: I could be doing something wrong though, as this is my first HDTV set that I've tried to use with a computer, other than my parents older Mitsu set, which has no digital connections. Any ideas?

Are you running the Catalyst 5.10 drivers? See https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=294

DTV city does not have the 62 or 72 - the DO have the smaller one but no one likes small :)

DreamTheater:

How does the 1080i digital look????? Did you try the VGA??? Do you mind? I promise to send you $1 USA :)

Are the cheap DVi-HDMI cables ok?? Like GoCables.com??

1080i picture looks just great. I don't see any flicker noise like we saw in interlaced CRT, it is natural because TV is deinterlacing and display is capable to do 1080p.
My TV is HM model and hence it doesn't have VGA port, damn I lost your $1.... ;)

As for cable, I am using real cheap DVI-HDMI cable I found at Fry's. No need to use Monster cable for sending digital signal.

Guys with the 62MX192, am EAGERLY awaiting your PC connectivity results as a successful connection at 1920 X 1080 progressively (either through the VGA or DVI using an DVI-HDMI connector) will guarantee that I will be forking the dough over to buy this TV. Good luck guys and let us know!

I second johnnycannuck's thought. The person who ends up posting the results should attach a file of a choir singing and have a high-profile rock band to introduce the post, like the entrance to the superbowl or something...it's the question everyone wants answered.

Yes, I agree - that person gets $1 USA mailed to him/her!!!

I wanna see! :D

I really wanna get my tv before i buy my 360 on nov 22nd, but because being able to connect my computer @ 1080p is a must, it looks like im going to have to wait untill next year. Hopefully 1080p sets will be more common. Are we to see true 1080p sets next year?

DTV city does not have the 62 or 72 - the DO have the smaller one but no one likes small :)

THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!!

How loud is the fan on the 62HM195? What are everyone's opinions of the 62HM195?

~Josh

Hi guys, I have couple of questions for current owners of the Toshiba 1080p sets.

I just recently bought a 56" Samsung 1080p set from TVA, and due to some recent issues with it and was thinking of trading it for the Toshiba model here: http://www.tvauthority.com/DLP-TV-HDTV/Toshiba-56HM195.asp

Couple things I want to know though, is does this TV have a VGA input?

Do the Toshiba's have the same game lag issue that is woefully apparent in the Samsungs? For example, playing Halo2 on the Xbox results in a nearly half-second delay between the time I hit a button on the controller to when the action shows up on the screen.

Any other pros/cons you can speak of on the Toshiba vs SS?

Thanks!

1. The MX series has the VGA - the cheaper HM does not
2. IMHO there is no lag via component and an XBOX on Halo2. I am not the BEST of players but instantly notice a lag of more then 50ms when I am online.
3. There are NO lip-sync issues.


Fry's let me bring in alot of stuff to test it - quite helpful. !!!!

IMHO the SD pictureis better - softer on the toshiba. I think the HD is sharper on the samsung.

The SAmsung "look" is better IMHO, but the MX looks nicer then the Samsung

In the end the toshiba is ALOT cheaper.

Are you running the Catalyst 5.10 drivers? See (url)

I'll give that a try, thanks!

I am anxiously awaiting my 56HM195. It should hopefully arrive on 10/20. I've got my DVI-D to HDMI cable on hand to test the supported resolutions. My ATI x800 is currently driving my Dell 2405FPW LCD display at 1920x1200, supporting the 56HM195 shouldn't be an issue. Using the latest Catalyst drivers pretty much every desirable HT resolution is already set up: 480p, 540p, 576p, 720p & 1080p. If 1080p isn't supported via HDMI, while dissapointing I'll run 720px1920 and let the display upconvert.

Why not run 1920x1080i and let the set just deinterlace?

On my 62MX195, I'm finding that on really light scenes, there appears to be a white streak that runs diagonally from the bottom right hand corner of the screen to almost the center. Any ideas on what this might be?

On my 62MX195, I'm finding that on really light scenes, there appears to be a white streak that runs diagonally from the bottom right hand corner of the screen to almost the center. Any ideas on what this might be?

Can u take a pic?

Why not run 1920x1080i and let the set just deinterlace?

Dunno. I guess it's because my gut and intution tells me that 720 vertical lines of visual data @ 60Hz is more than 540 lines @ 60Hz. If I can get my ATI card to spit out interlaced video over the DVI-D out without having to screw with Powerstrip I'll give it a try and see what looks best to my eye. I've never played with an interlaced signal on a display capable of 1920x1080 so I've never wrapped my mind around how the scaler behaves.

What about the horizontal lines? Don't they count for something?

If you send it 1080i and the set deinterlaces it then you will have 1080p@60Hz, not 540 lines. Your set can't display an interlaced signal.

Try both and post back with your results. I'm curious what looks better.

I just purchased a 56MX195. I am sitting between 9 and 10 feet from the TV. I have the option to get the 62, but I was worried about the TV possibly being too big, sort of like sitting in the first few rows of a theatre. Anyone experience buying small and then buying bigger? Also, curious whether this particular series has a "game mode" as some of the earlier sets do. The spec sheet did not mention it... Thanks in advance. This forum has been incredibly helpful so far!

I think, when dealing with DLP, the size is your preference. It is not like LCD where too close gives that screen door effect.

In the middle of a movie theater you are "in the scene" so to speak - may have to even move your eyes around a bit.

So to my 72" and 6 feet away looks great in games and movies. Others might vomit at that.

I chose the 62 over the 52 mainly because I was coming down from a 65 as my last tv. The 52 and 50 inch tvs would probably fit my viewing distance better, but I could never get that movie screen feeling watching the 52, like sjchmura just posted, at the movies the screen is huge and fills your panoramic view and you sometimes do have to look around a bit. with a smaller screen I feel like Im just watch tv, not a movie. I agree with this set on dvd or HD, it looks great even as close as 9 ft. Its the standard def that may look worse, and I dont watch much of it anymore so it didnt affect my decision.

I also dont understand the point of buying a bigger screen but then having to sit further back, if everything was like that then why arent we all just sitting with a 17" monitor right in front of our faces, why would I want a bigger screen and then move back several more feet to where its the same as if I bought the smaller one and sat closer. Must come down to room size and seating arrangements I guess.

I play a lot of games too so the bigger screen is a bonus, the games now adays look great on DLP even close up.

For all those still waiting for the final verdict on 1080p over vga. dont get your hopes up. I couldnt get it to work like previous posts screen just stays black, I changed it to 1080-768 and it worked fine, Manual says it is limited to this resolution, so if we believe the manual which is not always the case, I would asume that its not going to accept the 10809 signal.

I have not tried a couple more things and options on my computer, and I have not tried setting it to interlaced and letting the tv deinterlace it as previously suggested.

I completely undertand the feeling of buying a TV that will be unusable with future 1080P technology HDVD, blue ray, ps3 and xbox 360. I plan on having them all. I am hoping though that opinions that most companys wont bet all of their products on technology that most of america wont have, but if it doesnt cost them anything extra they probably will make 1080p stuff. as for xbox there are only about 10 games that are 720P or 1080i. thats a generous 10 if you are considering games that are mainstream and worth playing. games like MX vs ATV, true crime of LA, xmen legends, nba ballers, look amazing even at 1080p (mxatv), and 720P.

Its the computer players that might be unhappy with the slightly lower resolution, I didnt plan on playing my computer on the tv so its not the end of the world.

There is also a reason why it is taking so long for people to test and post their efforts, Most probably dont have the right vga cable with male ends on both sides or an adapter.

I would rather have the sxrd sony, but the price of the toshiba is about 1000 less so Im gonna stick with it, even with no 1080P input. I also liked the toshiba better than the Mitsubishi which is about 800$ more, and I didnt want to mess with samsung which some say has a better overall PQ. 2 new gripes though, little bright blue led to signify it is on, is right in the middle and below the screen, its distracting, especially for low light movie watching, once you notice it, it burns your eyes to no end! Also I think the backs are very black (dark and deep) but Im worried that there is less detail for transition between black areas and grey or lighter black, a black sport coat looks black, you cant see the pockets, the sleeves, just a black shape, Any suggestions on this would be appreciated, I used AVia to set up the tv. Also do you guys leave Dynamic Contrast on or off. I found OFF on dvd through HDMI allowed more variance in dark areas and less black out as I just described.

Also I have not seen the option to control the colors separately as mentioned in this thread that the mx is supposed to do, luckily the color is looking good and calibrated well with less red push then I thought I saw at the store.

I have the 62MX195 and cannot get 1080i/p to work over VGA or HDMI->DVI. I can get 720P to work with the HDMI but not VGA. I have an NVidia FX5200 graphics card.

1080i/p results in a desktop that is blurry and has lines through it.

720P over VGA results in a desktop that is blurry and has a pink hue.

720P over HDMI is perfect, as are the low VGA resolutions advertised in the manual.

These were my results, not sure if my graphics card or the TV is the limiting factor.

Also, for those talking about fan noise, the first one of these sets I had was obnoxiously loud (could hear two rooms away). Luckily (in retrospect), within 1 day of owning it, it started flasing the LED indicator light for "Main BUS failure" and would no longer work. I had it replaced, and I cannot hear the fan on the new set, even standing right next to it.

Finally, here is the response I received from Toshiba when I inquired about their warning that a PC should NOT be connected to the set via HDMI (my original question appears below the response):


Dear Dave:


Thanks for writing!


I apologize for the inconvenience.


You may connect your personal computer (PC) to your TV only if the TV has a PC Monitor Input (15 Pin D-Sub Connection).


You may not connect your PC to the TV using the HDMI or DVI connection.


If the Television does not have a PC Monitor Input, then the television was not designed to display images from personal computers (PCs) or similar devices. Toshiba cannot guarantee compatibility with such devices and connecting such devices may cause interference with signal quality and/or cause interference with other devices. In addition, connecting the TV to a PC with a high refresh rate may cause damage to the Toshiba product and void the manufacturer’s warranty.


Any damage or problems that arise from connecting a PC to a Toshiba television without a PC Monitor Input (15 Pin D-Sub Connection), will void the warranty on the product.


For further assistance, I recommend contacting our Customer Relations Department at 1-800-631-3811.

Scott

Toshiba Customer Service

--Original Message--
Date: 10/14/2005 12:21:04 AM
Subject: 62MX195


Hello,

I am a happy owner of a new 62MX195 DLP TV. I was wondering about this statement from the owner's manual:

"NOTE: DO NOT CONNECT A PC USING THE HDMI PORT. ALWAYS use the VGA port provided to connect a PC."

Prior to reading this, I used the DVI output on my video card and a DVI->HDMI adapter to hook my PC to the HDMI 1 port on the TV. The video card resolution was set to 1280 x 720 and I got a gorgeous picture.

Given that it seems to work fine, is there any compelling reason not to continue to use the HDMI for my PC? Is there any risk of damaging the TV?


Hope my first post has been useful to some of you.

Dave

If I were a betting man I'd say in time this "PC to any port other than a VGA" response from Toshiba's customer service will be the norm. The exact norm. Meaning no matter which rep gets your email they all have a copy of this response to copy/paste as answer. Seems like I've read of a few users making this work via a HDMI-DVI adapter.

Did your drivers support 1920 x 1080? I have about the same video card, an 5600 Ultra. My PC has a RAID stripe set of harddrives and a single harddrive. I have XP set up on boths sets of drives but the drivers for my video card are different on each. Only one set-up allows me to use 1920 x 1080 resolution. Hope you get it to work.

....2 new gripes though, little bright blue led to signify it is on, is right in the middle and below the screen, its distracting, especially for low light movie watching, once you notice it, it burns your eyes to no end! .....
"Don't look at the light" "I can't help it, it's so beautiful...."

A little piece of silver duct tape should match the cabinet and cover the blue light ;)

For all those still waiting for the final verdict on 1080p over vga. dont get your hopes up. I couldnt get it to work like previous posts screen

That's bad news for those of us who want to use this TV with our HTPC's.

No 1080P over either VGA or HDMI (doesn't have to be available on both, either connector will due) is a potential deal-breaker for some of us.

If anyone successfully connects their PC to a 62MX195 at 1080P please let us know.

Thanks.

(Eagerly Waiting) JC

Did your drivers support 1920 x 1080? I have about the same video card, an 5600 Ultra. My PC has a RAID stripe set of harddrives and a single harddrive. I have XP set up on boths sets of drives but the drivers for my video card are different on each. Only one set-up allows me to use 1920 x 1080 resolution. Hope you get it to work.

What TV are you referring to that you were able to get a 1920 X 1080 resolution (And which connector did you use?)

I have not done this myself. I stated that I thought I had read where other users have done so. I'm getting senile in my old age too so I may be mistaken about the whole thing.

"However, she stated 1080p @59.97hz was IN THE MANUAL over VGA " - quote from another user who talked to a CSR from Toshiba.

To those people who are having problems with 1920x1080 thru VGA, have you tried adjusting the refresh rates and timings through Powerstrip? I think this could solve some of our problems, don't have my 56mx195 yet to try it on but I suspect that the default timing from windows is what is giving us problems. Let me know if you have tried this and it didn't work, also include what settings you are using in powerstrip, this may shed some light on the subject of whether or not it is possible to actually get 1080p over VGA.

Howdy all,
I have a quick question for anyone with the 62MX195. My only complaint so far is the heavy amount of red I'm noticing on people's faces. I've tried messing with the various Picture Settings but I must not be hitting the correct combo. There are 4 or 5 of them like Contrast and Tint for example. What are some examples of settings that have worked for you so that the color red isn't so prevalent on skin color?

I'm not seeing any specific color settings adjustments and believe I have read they don't exist.

Thanks in advance.

please email me a link for powerstrip, I was using nvidia product software and will try as you suggested for all the folks waiting out there.

Mathue73,

I dont think telling you what settings I have will help you since it depends on your dvd player, cable box, satelite receiver, and even cables if component. I originally saw red push on faces but after calibrating with Avia it seems ok now. Others have posted the MX series is supposed to have individual color control, I didnt see that option.

IF anyone has an mx and knows how to adjust individual colors please let us know. thanks

Which cal DVD is the best, AVIA or DVE? Where's the best place to get these?

You can download powerstrip here, they have free 30 day evaluation:
http://www.entechtaiwan.net/util/ps.shtm

Howdy all,
I have a quick question for anyone with the 62MX195. My only complaint so far is the heavy amount of red I'm noticing on people's faces. I've tried messing with the various Picture Settings but I must not be hitting the correct combo. There are 4 or 5 of them like Contrast and Tint for example. What are some examples of settings that have worked for you so that the color red isn't so prevalent on skin color?

I'm not seeing any specific color settings adjustments and believe I have read they don't exist.

Thanks in advance.


In the 'Video' - 'Advanced Picture Setting', choose Color Temperature to "cool" if yours is still at either warm or medium. That should suppress red push.

Hello everyone,

I just picked up the 56mx195 yesterday and hooked it up to hd tivo and oppo dvd player. I was very impressed with the HD picture quality. DVD's looked very nice also. SD TV was a little blurry, kind of like an old Rear Projection TV from the early 80's. So glad I waited for the dual HDMI inputs. Card reader looks pretty good, but is a little slow, may be reading 6mp camera with a 1 gig card. The TV looked great right out of the box, but I would like to hear about picture level settings that may improve PQ.

Thanks

In the 'Video' - 'Advanced Picture Setting', choose Color Temperature to "cool" if yours is still at either warm or medium. That should suppress red push.

But...aren't there individual color controls? I saw that in a thread here somewhere.

Need some help.

Would someone with a 56mx195 please check if this set will do 2 digital sources in split screen. I have the web manual and it is really confusing on what can be in the 2 windows. I understand that 2 HDMI's or 2 Antenna connections can not be done in split screen but can 1 HDMI and 1 component be used for split screen ????

Laters,
Mikef5

Rudy - I've gone into every menu I can think of and see no individual color controls on the MX I have. I remember reading a post saying the TV had them but, if it does, I don't believe they are in the normal menu's.

Would be nice though as some cheeks are still a little reddish even using "cool". Either that, or more actors are blushing more often after reading the terrible scripts most shows have.

Okay, I received my 56HM195 yesterday. Initial impressions:

- First, Manna home delivery services suck. (shocker!) Somehow the delivery driver managed to leave the warehouse without my TV on the truck. Not only my TV but five others as well. Fortunately he was able to track down the driver that had the missing sets and made the delivery later the same day. This is the second time Manna has dropped the ball for me. The last time I bought my 52" RPTV set Manna "lost" it in their warehouse. It later was found and delivered a day late requiring me to miss an additional day from work. Caveat emptor.

-No surprise but I can't get 1080i to work from my PC over DVI-D>HDMI. I can get 720p to work without any major issue aside from dealing with a 5% overscan. I'll need to screw around with Powerstrip to find a custom resolution that compensates for the overscan. I'll also have to experiment some more with finding the correct timing for 1080i. The set will display 1080i out of my HD DirecTivo fine so getting the PC to display at that resolution should be achievable. I would imagine that the major advantage to the HX series with the VGA input is that you don't need to deal with the broadcast overscan.

I will share my Powerstrip configurations as I get them perfected. If anyone nails the correct timings for 1080i it would be really cool if they could post them here.

-HBOHD ran Shrek 2 last night. HD content looks stunning on this set. The family rediscovered the joy of HT while watching this movie. I've got a Hsu Research VTF-3 Mk2 coming in early next week which should really fills in the gaps in our HT experience. The old POS 8-inch Sherwood "sub" just ain't going to cut it any longer.

-Picture preference settings seem to change on their own. I haven't read the manual yet but I suspect that this set allows discrete settings for each format presented over a given input and what I'm seeing as I change inputs and resolutions is a reflection of that capability. Like I said, I need to RTFM before I get my head wrapped around this seemingly arbitrary behavior.

-Using my Hughes HR10-250 DirecTivo over HDMI works fine. However I found that I really needed to bump my contrast setting to max and brightness to about 75-80 to have a reasonably bright picture without loss of shadow detail. This was inconsistant with using the component inputs which required different settings. Interestingly, aside from picture settings, any picture quality differences were not discernable in my limited time viewing via either input. After I log some more seat time I may see any benefits to HDMI.

-I think I might need to look into upgrading my DVD player. I'm currently using a two year old Philips. Viewing Pirates of the Carribean in 480p widescreen was less than impressive. Of course this was on the heels of watching Shrek 2 in 1080i. I think upgrading to an Oppo with HDMI output and 1080i scaling might help. The price is reasonable enough to contemplate.

- I can see the rainbow effect. At this stage I'm distracted by it but it doesn't bother me by manifesting itself in a headache or anything like that. Hopefully I'll grow accustomed to it. I notice it mainly when my eyes are darting around the screen. I can see how a viewing a larger display too closely would exacerbate the problem with the excessive "eye scanning" that would result. It also seems more apparent when watching 480p content.

-I ran through the Avia test patterns. Right out of the box the hue and saturation levels were pretty much perfect. Of course this was over component inputs at 480p. What it seems I really need to do is calibrate for each input and resolution I intend to use. Does anyone know if test patterns similar to the Ovation or THX patterns are available as an MPEG2 file in HD? I'd like to be able to use my PC as a source for 720p & 1080i for the HDMI & component inputs.

That's all for now but so far I'm very pleased with the purchase. I'll probably post some more impressions after I log more seat time in front of this display.

So there are those of us waiting on the 1080P Toshiba's (like the 62MX195) to find out how they look when hooked up to a HTPC as the following settings:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

i.
[PREFERRED method of connecting HTPC to TV]:
1080P through HDMI (using DVD-D to HDMI adapter)

OR

ii.
[another GOOD method of connecting HTPC to TV]:
1080P through VGA (on the select models that come with the VGA adapter)

OR

iii.
[OK method of connecting HTPC to TV]:
1080P through component video (For video cards like ATI All-In-Wonder that come with component video out).

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I for one will buy the TV IMMEDIATELY if it works well at ANY of the above 1080P settings for HTPC use (no matter which connector since I am prepared to buy any of the 3).

The other way to connect it would be with any of the above connections but at the 1080i resolution (good) or 720p resolution (ok).

If anyone manages to get their 1080P Toshiba to work at either 1080P (preferred), 1080i (good) or 720P (ok) resolution please sure your experiences with us on how clear it would be for HTPC use, eg by answering at LEAST the first 2 questions below:

1) How clear is the text (can it be used for browsing internet/emails/word processing?)

2) How clear are the graphics? (e.g. for showing JPEG's)

3) Is it suitable for being used with DVD player software? (Do DVD movies look good at that resolution on the HTPC).

4) How does it look with video games?

Thanks

JC

Okay, I received my 56HM195 yesterday. Initial impressions:

- First, Manna home delivery services suck. (shocker!) Somehow the delivery driver managed to leave the warehouse without my TV on the truck. Not only my TV but five others as well. Fortunately he was able to track down the driver that had the missing sets and made the delivery later the same day. This is the second time Manna has dropped the ball for me. The last time I bought my 52" RPTV set Manna "lost" it in their warehouse. It later was found and delivered a day late requiring me to miss an additional day from work. Caveat emptor.

-No surprise but I can't get 1080i to work from my PC over DVI-D>HDMI. I can get 720p to work without any major issue aside from dealing with a 5% overscan. I'll need to screw around with Powerstrip to find a custom resolution that compensates for the overscan. I'll also have to experiment some more with finding the correct timing for 1080i. The set will display 1080i out of my HD DirecTivo fine so getting the PC to display at that resolution should be achievable. I would imagine that the major advantage to the HX series with the VGA input is that you don't need to deal with the broadcast overscan.

I will share my Powerstrip configurations as I get them perfected. If anyone nails the correct timings for 1080i it would be really cool if they could post them here.

-HBOHD ran Shrek 2 last night. HD content looks stunning on this set. The family rediscovered the joy of HT while watching this movie. I've got a Hsu Research VTF-3 Mk2 coming in early next week which should really fills in the gaps in our HT experience. The old POS 8-inch Sherwood "sub" just ain't going to cut it any longer.

-Picture preference settings seem to change on their own. I haven't read the manual yet but I suspect that this set allows discrete settings for each format presented over a given input and what I'm seeing as I change inputs and resolutions is a reflection of that capability. Like I said, I need to RTFM before I get my head wrapped around this seemingly arbitrary behavior.

-Using my Hughes HR10-250 DirecTivo over HDMI works fine. However I found that I really needed to bump my contrast setting to max and brightness to about 75-80 to have a reasonably bright picture without loss of shadow detail. This was inconsistant with using the component inputs which required different settings. Interestingly, aside from picture settings, any picture quality differences were not discernable in my limited time viewing via either input. After I log some more seat time I may see any benefits to HDMI.

-I think I might need to look into upgrading my DVD player. I'm currently using a two year old Philips. Viewing Pirates of the Carribean in 480p widescreen was less than impressive. Of course this was on the heels of watching Shrek 2 in 1080i. I think upgrading to an Oppo with HDMI output and 1080i scaling might help. The price is reasonable enough to contemplate.

- I can see the rainbow effect. At this stage I'm distracted by it but it doesn't bother me by manifesting itself in a headache or anything like that. Hopefully I'll grow accustomed to it. I notice it mainly when my eyes are darting around the screen. I can see how a viewing a larger display too closely would exacerbate the problem with the excessive "eye scanning" that would result. It also seems more apparent when watching 480p content.

-I ran through the Avia test patterns. Right out of the box the hue and saturation levels were pretty much perfect. Of course this was over component inputs at 480p. What it seems I really need to do is calibrate for each input and resolution I intend to use. Does anyone know if test patterns similar to the Ovation or THX patterns are available as an MPEG2 file in HD? I'd like to be able to use my PC as a source for 720p & 1080i for the HDMI & component inputs.

That's all for now but so far I'm very pleased with the purchase. I'll probably post some more impressions after I log more seat time in front of this display.



Hey, thanks for posting your thoughts. I just brought home a 62HM195 yesterday. I'm amazed at how good SD broadcasts look on this set!

Do you notice any video noise in your set? I see some very faint lines in the picture, mainly on solid colored backgrounds that aren't moving. Its not the source.....am wondering if its the TV.

Good luck with your set and enjoy!

Just ordered the 62mx195. I have an old Pioneer DVD player. Can anyone recommend a dvd player that will fully utilize my new set?

Thanks!

Just ordered the 62mx195. I have an old Pioneer DVD player. Can anyone recommend a dvd player that will fully utilize my new set?

Thanks!


Try this link, http://www.oppodigital.com/?partner=googledvi

its the OPPO dvd player, its famous for its PQ but even better it has had frequent firmware upgrades that they make based on the users and forums requests. There is a link on there page to the DVD benchmark, where in comparison of many dvd players they rated it just below the 3500$ Denon which was #1.

The downside is its not a major brand I think its manufactured in China but you order directly from oppo here in the states. It does not play SACD or the other hi def music cds, No high def out on component, only through HDMI or DVI, and I dont think there any many remote codes available for universal remotes(learning remotes work fine), No mem card input (though the mx toshibas have them already.)

The plus side is it is extremely thin, I eyeball it at just two inches high. It has both optical and coax digital. It has 5.1 decoder, it plays divx files you download or make on the computer, It has one of the fastest load and transition between layer switches, Customer Service actually responds to your questions and help you, its practically made by home theater enthusiasts for home theater enthusiasts, DVI outputs 480p, 720p, 1080i, I think one more like 568 or 768 was added. No HDCP to worry about, Basically has two separate chips one is Faroudja. They post firmware updates you simply download burn to cd and put in to update adding features, such as service menu type toggles and work arounds to any problems that were identified by users. I have updated 2 times now and believe it cant get any better.

For full tech specs check out dvd benchmark, I have valued dvd benchmark for years they used to have Panasonic at the top a couple of years ago, I bought the recommended player and could really see the difference.

I ran it myself up against samsung and LG all on my 1080P 37" Westinghouse LCD, it won easily and you can actually see the problems listed about the other players. So I returned them to bestbuy.

I dont work for Oppo, just a major fan and appreciate their interaction with forums such as this one.

No 7.1 on the Oppo?

Okay, I received my 56HM195 yesterday.
-No surprise but I can't get 1080i to work from my PC over DVI-D>HDMI. I can get 720p to work without any major issue aside from dealing with a 5% overscan. I'll need to screw around with Powerstrip to find a custom resolution that compensates for the overscan. I'll also have to experiment some more with finding the correct timing for 1080i. The set will display 1080i out of my HD DirecTivo fine so getting the PC to display at that resolution should be achievable. I would imagine that the major advantage to the HX series with the VGA input is that you don't need to deal with the broadcast overscan.

I haven't read the manual yet

I have read my manual and it says quite a few times in emphasis, do not connect this set to a computer. :confused:

Rudy - I've gone into every menu I can think of and see no individual color controls on the MX I have. I remember reading a post saying the TV had them but, if it does, I don't believe they are in the normal menu's.

Would be nice though as some cheeks are still a little reddish even using "cool". Either that, or more actors are blushing more often after reading the terrible scripts most shows have.

:( Thanks for trying though

Johnny Canuck,

Since I already did a similar test, please find my posts in the following thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=586029

In my case, nVidia 6600GT set to 1080i output, DVI - HDMI cable, to 56HM195.
No power strip or anything needed.




1) How clear is the text (can it be used for browsing internet/emails/word processing?)

2) How clear are the graphics? (e.g. for showing JPEG's)

3) Is it suitable for being used with DVD player software? (Do DVD movies look good at that resolution on the HTPC).

4) How does it look with video games?

Thanks

JC


1) Text looks good. No problem, but TV screen is so big, better used in large fonts.

2) Still picture looks great. But note that if you use MCE "My Pictures" application, it looks like MCE is creating down converted picture internally and then upscaling it for viewing. I looked at my 6MP D-SLR pictures and checking their focus. In MCE, it looked like somewhat de-focused. But, then I found that if I opened the same picture from explorer (i.e., Windows Picture and Fax Viewer) then it looked much more sharper and this way we can derive full 1920x1080 resolution.

3) I tested this by MCE DVD player, but didn't see huge improvement compared to conventional DVD player doing 480i and connected via component. Not a surprise, since DVD only has 480i information and the TV has pretty good upscaler.

4) I am not a gamer so can't comment on this. But if I am a gamer maybe I wait for 1080p HDMI capable display.

Johnny Canuck,

In my case, nVidia 6600GT set to 1080i output, DVI - HDMI cable, to 56HM195.
No power strip or anything needed.

4) I am not a gamer so can't comment on this. But if I am a gamer maybe I wait for 1080p HDMI capable display.

DreamTheater, thanks a LOT for your reply! I can now buy the 62MX195 knowing that it fufills my HTPC requirements.

I have a DVI out on my HTPC but since I have an ATI All-in-Wonder I'll give the component video out a go on the TV and see how that works.
Dissapointed that the TV won't accept 1080P signal, but if it looks good at 1080i that is good enough.

If anyone has a chance to game with one of these1080p Toshiba TV's at 1280 X 720 or 1920 X 1080i/p please share your experiences.

DreamTheater, one last question:

have you tried any of these Windows MEdia 9 high def clips on your pc (Both the 720p and 1080p clips):

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/content_provider/film/ContentShowcase.aspx

if so could you share how good the TV looked compared to broadcast HD, etc.?

Thanks

JC

I had my heart (eyes) set on the 56HM195 but now after reding the posts about not being able to do 1080P on the HDMI input I'm a little concerned. Can someone please explain to me what makes this a 1080P set if it can't do it over any input and furthermore how can Toshiba advertise that it has 2 x the resolution of 720.

I think I may be missing something very basic here.


Sorry for the dumb question but I just cannot get a grip on this one.

I would like to get a PS3 as well as hook up a HTPC eventually if that matters.


Thanks a million to you all.
sincerely,
Pete

I think this is a great article for us all to think about by an expert who really knows his stuff & it could save us all a hell of alot of money in the present.

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages/reality.htm

Greg

I had my heart (eyes) set on the 56HM195 but now after reding the posts about not being able to do 1080P on the HDMI input I'm a little concerned. Can someone please explain to me what makes this a 1080P set if it can't do it over any input and furthermore how can Toshiba advertise that it has 2 x the resolution of 720.

I think I may be missing something very basic here.


Sorry for the dumb question but I just cannot get a grip on this one.

I would like to get a PS3 as well as hook up a HTPC eventually if that matters.


Thanks a million to you all.
sincerely,
Pete

Apparently I've missed something. Seems so many people here are concerned about the 1080P sets not being able to take 1080P through practically any of their inputs. SO? Right now the only things out that can output 1080P to your set is a PC. It's almost like buying airplane fuel for your Yugo.

Of course there are the HP sets that can handle 1080P inputs.

I think this is a great article for us all to think about by an expert who really knows his stuff & it could save us all a hell of alot of money in the present.

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages/reality.htm

Greg


Thats a pretty good article to sum up some of the debates on this thread, I shared my similar opinon that for those waiting for 1080p input that I doubted their was such a need except for HTPC which could use the full resolution and the toshiba cannot do, only 1080i and then deinterlaced internally.

The reason to buy a 1080p set is to be able to enjoy all of that 1080i broadcast, over the air, cable, satelite, video game. If the signal is 1080i and the tv only has resoultion of 720p it cannot show all of the lines of the 1080i signal, its reported quite frequently that the 1080p tv is the first to be able to show the entire resolution of the TV. on a 720p tv it throws away lines to fit the resolution it has.

a 1920 X 1080 = 1080 I/P is twice as much as a 1024 X 768 = 720p signal so they are not lying. The difference in the I versus the P is just I = interlaced half the lines flashed and then the other half flashed, and P = progressive is they are all shown at the same time. I'm not sure that a 1080p signal has more actual picture information , I think its just all at once.

The majority of HiDef broadcasts are 1080i, all of teh 720P TVs dont have enough lines of resolution to show all of the pixels. These numbers represent a grid, if you marked out all the pixels of 1080 vs the 720 you can see that there arent enough on the 720p to fit all of the picture from the 1080 signal.

Im saying the same thing over and over, but it is a somewhat complicated thing until you break it down.

My westinghouse lcd will take a 1080p signal though dvi/hdmi or vga. The new HP can take the signal over DVI/HDMI. None of the the other TV's (so I have Read) take the signal through dvi/hdmi and PC doesnt mean much on vga accept those who want to play their pc games on the tv, but it wont allow you to hook up a satelite or cable box through vga.

I dont know everything, I have seen 720p and it looks great, so I planned on just sticking with it, but then I thought I would rather have the extra resolution just for the fact that it is now availabe. The article is correct, we wont see 1080p content for tv, so that leaves hd dvd and blue ray and PS3 to worry about, well xbox can do 720p and 1080i and 90% if the games didnt do this, nor use up the more than half the available space on the dvd, there is a cost for producing the content which wasnt equitable. (There are only a handful of games in hi def that were worth playing.) PS2 only had one high def game, Grand Tourismo 4 at 1080i, just one game.

So to end my rant let me just add that for those who are early adopters you are bound to get burned, remember hdtv with only component in? But by jumping to 1080p nowI feel that I wont feel obsoleted by the tv that only has 720 lines of resolution. There is simply more 1080i broadcast then 720p. 720P broadcasts look better on a 720p tv then one that is 1080i because it isnt re-processed to fit, but likewise 1080i converted to a 720p tv also doesnt look as good. So with 1080p tv you have enough resolution to show both formats without throwing out any of the lines which is what happened during the conversion.

And with the Toshiba the price between last year's 720p and the new 195's is very very small. I still see the 95's selling all over for the same price as the 195's.

The other benefit of 1080P tv is that all the technologies Lcd or LCOS, DLP, pack the pixels closer together which creates that smooth picture, less gaps, and no screen door effect.

Im not obsessed with being right, or justifying my own purchase, I just want the information to be helpful to others.

I think this is a great article for us all to think about by an expert who really knows his stuff & it could save us all a hell of alot of money in the present.

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages/reality.htm

Greg

Good read.

Good read but one thing not to be fooled by the wording of the article is that the "wobbulation" used in current DLP's (960 X 1080 resolution) gives an inferior picture akin to 540P downrezzing. Wobulated DLP Chips give the full 1920 X 1080 resolution and is not inferior downrezzing in any way.

Well, I finally got an answer to where or not the 56mx195 can do a 2 digital source split screen (POP) or not and according to Toshiba it CAN'T. One can be HD and the other must be an antenna source. So their statement of being able to do two digital signals in POP is really misleading, they don't do anything that the other manufactures can't do. So when they stop broadcasting the analog stations, this feature is useless. Well, the search goes on... :(

Laters,
Mikef5

Typically in order for PIP/POP to work, you would need two video sources/tuners. Have you tried one source using built-in QAM tuner and the other using OTA or STB digital output ?

DreamTheater, one last question:

have you tried any of these Windows MEdia 9 high def clips on your pc (Both the 720p and 1080p clips):

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/content_provider/film/ContentShowcase.aspx

if so could you share how good the TV looked compared to broadcast HD, etc.?

Thanks

JC

I downloaded 1080p files and played through MCE. Movie trailers look good but not much different from HBO HD broadcast. However some of video (non-film) material such as WMP demo look really great, picture clarity is better than anything, perhaps because those are highly shapened than movies though.
Just my opinion.

My new 72hm195 will be delivered tomorrow and I'd like some input to find out if I should go with the HD STB or CC in this TV?

I do not do VOD so I'm looking for basic info on which device will provide the best picture, or perhaps they produce identical PQ/Sound?

Thanks in advance.
Joe

Well, I finally got an answer to where or not the 56mx195 can do a 2 digital source split screen (POP) or not and according to Toshiba it CAN'T. One can be HD and the other must be an antenna source. So their statement of being able to do two digital signals in POP is really misleading, they don't do anything that the other manufactures can't do. Digital doesn't imply HD. You can view a HD source on the HDMI input and a DIGITAL picture on the ANT input via your cable provider, just not two HD pictures. ;)

I have been reading through this thread and I was wondering if anyone has pics of their sets to share? I have been pretty much set on the Mits 73827, but I guess I have kind of overlooked the 72HM or MX sets..not sure why. I would love to know if anyone has compaered them or has an opinion.

Thanks in advance...

<snip>

The other benefit of 1080P tv is that all the technologies Lcd or LCOS, DLP, pack the pixels closer together which creates that smooth picture, less gaps, and no screen door effect.

Im not obsessed with being right, or justifying my own purchase, I just want the information to be helpful to others.

Yep. In my limited experience there is NO discernable screen door effect when viewing a 56" 1920x1080 native resolution DLP set, even with my face plastered against the screen. The same cannot be said of 720p DLP or LCD sets. This alone was reason enough to go with a 1080p set rather than a slightly cheaper 720p.


I have read my manual and it says quite a few times in emphasis, do not connect this set to a computer. :confused:

Toshiba is just trying to cover their ass to avoid needless warranty claims. There is nothing wrong with feeding an appropriately timed signal into a component, DVI or HDMI input. Just don't call Toshiba when you can't get it to work or if you manage to fry something because you fed a high refresh rate signal into the set.

My new 72hm195 will be delivered tomorrow and I'd like some input to find out if I should go with the HD STB or CC in this TV?

I do not do VOD so I'm looking for basic info on which device will provide the best picture, or perhaps they produce identical PQ/Sound?

Thanks in advance.
Joe
Extensive feedback on the Samsung 1080P sets determined that the set could not send 5.1 sound even through the HDMI and it was recommended that use of CC would automatically send 5.1 to your AVR if you have one. Otherwise for 5.1 you may have to link between the Cable Box directly to the AVR with digital coax or optical.

This was feedback on the Sammy and there are so few Toshiba owners comparatively it's difficult getting feedback. Hopefully if you choose CC your local provider is experienced with them by now as I've seen alot of horror stories on CC installations. I rarely use OD myself but I use the info button alot and would miss it. Good Luck - These Toshiba's are a very appealing TV especially the MX series but i've yet to see one in person. Looking forward to your feedback. :D

Extensive feedback on the Samsung 1080P sets determined that the set could not send 5.1 sound even through the HDMI and it was recommended that use of CC would automatically send 5.1 to your AVR if you have one. Otherwise for 5.1 you may have to link between the Cable Box directly to the AVR with digital coax or optical.

This was feedback on the Sammy and there are so few Toshiba owners comparatively it's difficult getting feedback. Hopefully if you choose CC your local provider is experienced with them by now as I've seen alot of horror stories on CC installations. I rarely use OD myself but I use the info button alot and would miss it. Good Luck - These Toshiba's are a very appealing TV especially the MX series but i've yet to see one in person. Looking forward to your feedback. :D


Thanks for the reply. Lucky for me I picked up a HD STB from my provider on Friday. The set arrives tomorrow and the cable guy will be here on Friday with the CC in hand.

So I have roughly 5 days to put the Toshiba through it's paces with the HD STB and if the CC does not provide a similar or better picture/sound then I am sending the cable guy home with the CC and they can call me when they get it figured out.

I have my fingers crossed about the TV - ordered it on line and so far the deep discounter has been great to deal with but the proof is in the pudding. :cool:

Noob question for you: What is AVR?

Audio/Video Receiver(AVR)

Audio/Video Receiver(AVR)

Thanks. So many acronyms.

Digital doesn't imply HD. You can view a HD source on the HDMI input and a DIGITAL picture on the ANT input via your cable provider, just not two HD pictures. ;)
Actually, it can do 2 HD pictures it's just that one has to be from the antenna input and I would assume that also means with a cable card which takes the place of antenna #1. Yes, I know that digital doesn't mean HD but it can't do two digital sources either unless one is the antenna input. My Panasonic does split screen with any HD or any digital source in either window and from any source and this is from a 2 year old set. So far I've been unable to find any word on the 1080p Panasonics but hopefully they will still do this, but thanks for the input.

Laters,
Mikef5

I downloaded 1080p files and played through MCE. Movie trailers look good but not much different from HBO HD broadcast. However some of video (non-film) material such as WMP demo look really great, picture clarity is better than anything, perhaps because those are highly shapened than movies though.
Just my opinion.

I think it is a bit rate issue. The better done Windows Media 9 videos have a higher bitrate than broadcast HD, thus giving them an edge.

Thanks again for sharing DT, your input really helped clinch my decision to buy the Toshiba 62MX195.

My only large dissapointment is that the TV can't accept a 1080P signal through HDMI for a HTPC (or Playstation 3) but it's performance with 1080i sources is excellent, having the speakers underneath saves cabinet space, it DOES have a black frame (important for optics), and well waiting another year for a 1080P HDMI input isn't that important since you are at least able to get a clear HTPC signal at the 1920 X 1080i setting....

Thanks again.

Well, I finally got an answer to where or not the 56mx195 can do a 2 digital source split screen (POP) or not and according to Toshiba it CAN'T. One can be HD and the other must be an antenna source. So their statement of being able to do two digital signals in POP is really misleading, they don't do anything that the other manufactures can't do. So when they stop broadcasting the analog stations, this feature is useless. Well, the search goes on... :(

Laters,
Mikef5

For PIP mode, could I use the HDMI input as one side, and component video as the other side of the PIP.
For example, I could have a Motorola 6412 HD box on HDMI, and a Xbox on component video.
Or are you saying PIP ONLY works for an antenna source on one side and any of the video inputs on the other side?
Or are you saying that the ONLY limitation is that for PIP to work, ONLY 1 of the sources can be an HD soure (from any input)?

Can someone educate me the difference between the 62HM15 and the 62HM95? Also what is the difference between 62HM94? Seems like they are all pretty much similar and not a whole lot of differences. Thanks.

Hey, thanks for posting your thoughts. I just brought home a 62HM195 yesterday. I'm amazed at how good SD broadcasts look on this set!

Do you notice any video noise in your set? I see some very faint lines in the picture, mainly on solid colored backgrounds that aren't moving. Its not the source.....am wondering if its the TV.

Good luck with your set and enjoy!

Thanks! Yeah, SD broadcasts look pretty good, although personally I can't toot the set's horn on this capability. My HD DirecTivo outputs 1080i over HDMI. The set isn't doing any scaling. Regardless the picture looks great, especially on DirecTV's channels that seem to have higher bandwidth allocated to them.

As far as noise goes, no, I don't see any noise over the HDMI input. I had some flicker over the component inputs but I haven't ruled out bad cable or a dodgy signal path which is currently being routed through my HK AVR320 reciever.

I have been reading through this thread and I was wondering if anyone has pics of their sets to share? I have been pretty much set on the Mits 73827, but I guess I have kind of overlooked the 72HM or MX sets..not sure why. I would love to know if anyone has compaered them or has an opinion.

Thanks in advance...

I was leaning towards purchasing the WD-73927 because I do want to connect my Powermac G5 to it. Last Friday I went to the R C Willey West Las Vegas store to view the WD-73727. At the opposite end of the room (subdued lighting & no windows) they had the Toshiba 72MX195 both showing the same input. I think the PQ is identical and so is the price BUT the Toshiba has a VGA input and a LAN connection which allows you to use the TV's remote to obtain picture or music files from your PC or MAC. The VGA connection is only available on the Mitz 73927 model that is a thousand dollars higher.

I am now leaning towards the Toshiba. There will soon be many more E-tailors for it at lower prices. Mitz has pretty much killed E-tailors for their line. Also the 72" Toshiba stand was delivered and set up in their showroom while I was there. The Mitz 73" stand is not available yet. The Toshiba 72" stand looks very nice it has 3 glass shelves open in the front but with a wide center pole in the back to hide the cables.

With the addition of an Toshiba RD-XS54 250 GB external Hard drive recorder you can burn your recorded shows onto DVD-r Disks. It is half the price of the Mitz 73727 upgrade to 73927 that gives you an internal 250 GB hard drive that does not record cable or satellite channels and can't burn DVDs. I think the RD-XS54 will record OTA and Cable and satellite. You can read a description of it here:

http://digital-lifestyles.info/disp...atforms&id=2564

Dave

I have my fingers crossed about the TV - ordered it on line and so far the deep discounter has been great to deal with but the proof is in the pudding. :cool:


Can you share the name of your "deep discounter" or better yet a URL to their site?
Dave

Can you share the name of your "deep discounter" or better yet a URL to their site?
Dave

Dave,

Delivery is scheduled between 1-5pm today. If all goes well I'll post the url here.

So far I have been very pleased with their pre-sales service. But if something is wrong with the set then I'll have to deal with Tosh directly unless there is damage from shipping, which I'll have the delivery company open the box while they are here and I'll send it back on the truck if there is damage.

I ordered the 72hm195, stand and monster powerstrip. TV is due in today and the stand may arrive with it, if not, it will be here tomorrow.

I did make a call to Tosh ahead of time to verify that they will honor the warranty and they already had the E-Tailer in their system and confirmed they will honor the warranty.

Stay tuned for my nexy post. Probably later tonight because I have a hoop game at 6pm.

/Joe

Quick question. Is the X Box progressive scan? If my old Sony looks like crap and the X Box is progressive scan then I can use this to watch movies until I opt for a new DVD player. The noise of the X Box sucks but I may be able to live with it.

For PIP mode, could I use the HDMI input as one side, and component video as the other side of the PIP.
For example, I could have a Motorola 6412 HD box on HDMI, and a Xbox on component video.
Or are you saying PIP ONLY works for an antenna source on one side and any of the video inputs on the other side?
Or are you saying that the ONLY limitation is that for PIP to work, ONLY 1 of the sources can be an HD soure (from any input)?
Here's exactly what Toshiba said when I asked this same question --- "When displaying POP on the 56MX195, one of the POP windows must be an antenna source. Only one of the POP windows can be a HD signal".
That means to me that one source can be any digital signal and the other must be from the antenna input. Now does that include the cable card as the antenna input since that takes the place of the #1 antenna input, I don't know but not what they imply at their web site -- HD WOW- view 2 HD pictures at the same time.....well, sort of.
That's why I wanted someone that actually has this set to try it out and let us know.

Laters,
Mikef5

I emailed Toshiba about the 62mx195 and whether or not it will accept 1080p... here's their response FWIW,

"The 62MX195 will accept a 1080p signal through the component, HDMI or PC inputs."

This is misleading and many of us have already experience this. Most of us believe that the set will accept it, downcovert it to 1080i and then de-interlace it. It's messed up but I would bet money that the TV cannot accept 1080p the same way the HP's can. If this was the case it would be advertised as such and they would be selling an ungodly amount of TV's. What we have here is some mis-informed CSR that doesn't know any better or worse does and is attempting to mislead. The only hope we have is that the VGA port can accept a true 1080p signal, unfortunately no one has been able to confirm that. I am still waiting for my 56mx195 that is backordered so I'll see for myself in due time.

Where can a "True 1080P" signal be obtained to test with?

Dave

If you have a computer and a compatible TV setup you can play 1080p wmv files that will give you a pretty good look at it. They blew me away!

Sorry fans, no report on the new set this evening.

At 5pm I called the shipping company to check in on the status. The guy answered the phone and said it should have made it to my house already because the driver called in and he was done for the day.

He put the phone down and called for Bruno on his Nextel. Evidently my set was left on the shipping dock this morning and never made it onto the truck. So they will have it to me first thing in the morning.

I guess this could happen with just about any delivery service and had nothing to do with the retailer.

I will post a write up of the set and will try to post a picture if possible. I'll have my Hitachi Ultravision right beside it so I hope to give you a good idea as to how the SD programs looks.

Btw- The retailer I purchased it from is Digital1234.com
Tomorrow you'll know if they are worth the lowest price around. So far I'd say definitely but I need to see the set first. My on line ordering process has been top notch with them. They have been very responsive to my email messages and even told me the set was in stock when I sent an email prior to ordering.

/Joe

With the addition of an Toshiba RD-XS54 250 GB external Hard drive recorder you can burn your recorded shows onto DVD-r Disks. I think the RD-XS54 will record OTA and Cable and satellite. You can read a description of it here:

http://digital-lifestyles.info/disp...atforms&id=2564

Dave


Unfortunately, this unit can only record OTA. If it could do digital cable or Sat I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

Just wondering...
I am waiting for my 62mx195 to be delivered. Crutchfield was offering a free 3 year warranty so obviously I took it. I have a few questions...
1. Since this is my first HD set, I was wondering if there's any maintenance you guys do on your sets? Yearly cleaning or something.

2. What about extending the warranty to 5 years? Are there places where I can purchase this?

3. I also hear alot about bulbs blowing out. Are there any warranties that will cover the bulb?

4. I have heard about having a tech come to do a "IFS"?? calibration? Is this something that I should have done? What exactly do they do to it? Will it void any warranty?

5. I've seen this DVD for sale - "Avia Guide to Home Theater" - is this something that's recommended?

6. What product do you use to clean the screen? What type of cloth?

Thanks!

I have used Avia on all my setups and those of my family and friends and highly recommend it. There are more expsive automatic calibrators like SpyderTV from colorvision and some others but i prefer to use my own eyes and this DVD. As far as maintance most DLP's have a filter that should be replaced yearly I believe as well. As far as the screen it depends on the surface but they make screen wipes that are alchol free and won't damage the material. I'm sure others have a specific product they use, I use the same dry wipes I use on my LCD screen. As far as bulbs go to my knowledge these are the most likely part on a dlp to need replacing and count yourself lucky if the three year warranty covers it all the better.

This may just be an error with their site, but ABT Electronics is showing the 62MX195 for a very low price.............

type in 'ABT ELECTRONICS' (but make it one word) and the rest of the link below to see.

**************.com/product/20109.html

Here's exactly what Toshiba said when I asked this same question --- "When displaying POP on the 56MX195, one of the POP windows must be an antenna source. Only one of the POP windows can be a HD signal".
That means to me that one source can be any digital signal and the other must be from the antenna input. Now does that include the cable card as the antenna input since that takes the place of the #1 antenna input, I don't know but not what they imply at their web site -- HD WOW- view 2 HD pictures at the same time.....well, sort of.
That's why I wanted someone that actually has this set to try it out and let us know.
Laters,
Mikef5

Thanks Mike. While that bad news doesn't change my choice of TV (I am still getting the 62MX195) it's too bad that you can't use ANY video input source for ether PIP/POP window. I was thinking it would be handy to be able to play a video game system (like Xbox) while someone else would be watching a HD source (like Motorola 6412) since the antenna source on a HD set is almost useless unless one uses a cable card...

It would be great if any Toshiba "insider" technician or anyone who had access to one of these technicians could post the unnoficial timing specs for the Toshiba TV's (like the 62MX195) so that we could try to create custom timings in PowerStrip to get the TV to work OPTIMALLY at 1920 X 1080i (or 1080P if it actually supports it) through either DVI (preferred), or VGA, or componetn video (for those of us with video cards that support componetn video output at 1080i/p resolutions).

With those timings we would be able to create a powerstrip "monitor information file" that everyone could use and thus people could avoid the liklihood of accidentally frying their sets.

Is there any type of hardware/software that can find tehse advanced timing specs for us if we can't get info from the techs?

I should have my Toshiba 62hm195 by Friday. I am not a videophile or anything close. But I will give my honest opinion when I have it hooked up. I still don't understand all the differences in DLP,LCD or LCoS. It seems a matter of opinion on every forum I could find. Everyone said theirs is the best. Gee, there's an honest opinion. I will let my eyes be the judge again. The thing that amazes and bothers me is the sneaky way the stores try to make one TV look better then the other by sending certain signals to the set they are pushing. I have always been a Sony person but quality over the years has suffered. Samsung IMO seems like the VW beetle. There are 1000's out there because they are cheap. Toshiba I have always herad and seen good things from. So this is my 1st Toshiba. I hope it will last as long as my old JVC 36' tube that was bought in 95 and still going strong.

Dumb question, but can anyone tell me how to hook up a brand new DVD with hdmi cables. I guess my question is, does the hdmi cable bring picture and sound and if yes how do I hook it up for sound to go thru the receiver, but with the best quality cable for picture?

Dumb question, but can anyone tell me how to hook up a brand new DVD with hdmi cables. I guess my question is, does the hdmi cable bring picture and sound and if yes how do I hook it up for sound to go thru the receiver, but with the best quality cable for picture?

You'll be able to run HDMI between your DVD player and your new set. However, the audio carried over the HDMI will need to be fed back to your A/V receiver via your optical audio out on the rear of the set. Alternatively you can feed your receiver with your DVD players digital audio out. However, using this configuration you may experience some lip sync issues.

I've heard the audio out on the TV doesn't pass through DD/DTS, it downmixes it to 2 channel. Anyone know for sure?

So has it been confirmed that the MX's cannot pass 1080p thru VGA? Seems to be flip-floppy, but apparently they can't do it through HDMI. I've heard Costco may carry the HM195's, but if the MX's can do 1080p, I'll wait for that.
Cheers,
J.

Well the delivery guys showed up today with the stand and the 72hm195.

I opened the stand box to check for damage and found everything was in great shape including the glass shelf. Then I opened the TV box and not a nick on the cabinet.

Took about 30 minutes to put together the Toshiba stand. Not the best stand on the planet in terms of quality of materials (particle board) but it looks great with the TV on top. The lines continue from the TV down through the stand so it makes it look like you have a TV with no speakers because the TV is a dark gray while the speakers (bottom) and stand are silver. Pretty cool!

Got the TV on top of the stand and hooked everything up. This thing rocks! SD TV looks pretty good and I'm hoping to see a slight improvement when I get the CC installed on Friday. I don't care much for having the STB. While the picture is ok it does not look as good as SD on my SD only Hitachi Ultravision but it's close.

HD stations look incredible and I can't wait to watch a sporting event in HD. This is the main reason I purchased the set. I'll connect X Box tonight to see if the DVD player works better than my old non progressive scan sony which looks like crap this set but looks great on my old Hitachi.

Sound from the set is pretty damn good once you go into settings and tweak it a bit. I have not had a chance to tweak the picture (other than the side bars by making them black instead of gray) but will play with that later.

No noticeable fan noise but it is a big room and I think I'm ~15 feet from the set.

Picking up a new DVD player (unless the DVD on X box blows me away) so I'll have one of the two HDMI ports in use.

This is a really slick TV and while I can't say what is best for you I will say you ought to go to your local AV store and have them do a comparable feed on this set and any other in the store and I'll bet you too will be impressed.

As for my experience with the on line E Tailer, Digital1234.com, I can't say anything bad about them. I did my research ahead of time as to which set I wanted and knew they would be difficult to communicate with (no phone) but I took my chances.

I order the set after hours on a Friday so it did not get processed until the following Monday. The web site says 7-10 days for shipping and they sent me a confirmation from the shipping company within a few days. I tracked my shipment with them and they had me scheduled for a 10/28 delivery. So when the shipping company called me on 10/21 to say my set was in I was impressed. Little mix up with the shipping guys hence the set not arriving until today.

I communicated via email with the team at Digital1234 several times to ask about status (stand was on back order but only for a few days) and they were responsive to my questions.

So why did I buy on line? For several reasons. The first being I was yanked around by my local AV store as to when they would get the Toshiba's. To this day they still don't have them in the warehouse.

I was hesitant to buy something this large via the net but I figured if I was buying it from a store it had to come from somewhere and likely spent a lot of time on a truck anyhow. So there was not much of a difference here.

The other factor was price. I believe I saved a significant amount of money on the TV and alone and likely saved a small amount on the Monster protector and the stand. But at the end of the day a $4k price tag for everything is likely much less than I could have purchased a this 72" set for from any local retailer. You can visit their site to find out what the prices are (shipping includes insurance) and compare them to what you'll find elsewhere.

My experience was top notch but I can't gurantee you'll have similar results.

I'll continue to post here after I have had a chance to enjoy the set for a while.

/Joe

I've heard the audio out on the TV doesn't pass through DD/DTS, it downmixes it to 2 channel. Anyone know for sure?That is the case with my Sony DVP-NS975V and Toshiba 62HMX94 but I can't say for sure if it is the player not passing 5.1 or the TV not passing it via it's output. Since this is the only HDMI source I have I have nothing to compare it to. I can validate that the TV does pass 5.1 out from my ANT1 (cable via cable card) connection. My suggestion is to run your audio directly from the DVD player to the receiver since I doubt you will watch movies from your DVD player without using the receiver anyway.

Very interesting....

Turns out the XBox (non Progressive Scan) plays DVD's better than my old non progressive scan Sony but still not perfect; or as good as the Sony connected to the old Hitachi non HD RPTV for that matter. But I can't get Dolby 5.1 out of the Xbox- maybe I need the HD cables from the Xbox to the AVR or DLP????

Either way, this has more or less convinced me to drop $130 large on a Toshiba Progressive scan DVD with HDMI. I'll pick one up at Best Buy tomorrow at lunch and will post the results after I compare it to the Sony and XBox. I am sure it will blow them both away :)

This may just be an error with their site, but ABT Electronics is showing the 62MX195 for a very low price.............

type in 'ABT ELECTRONICS' (but make it one word) and the rest of the link below to see.

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Its probably not an error, I got my 62mx195 for 3399.00 with free delivery at video only. I had to pay sales tax though, but the 4 year EW was on sale for only 219.$

Im not sure if ABT charges tax, so basically its a fair price if there is no tax, but you may get better service and faster delivery with a local store like Video only, plus you can exchange the tv at no cost they will come pick it up and bring your new set within 30 days. In this thread there is mention that some online places are not authorized dealers so if there is a problem with your set, you have to deal with Toshiba directly or something.

Very interesting....

Turns out the XBox (non Progressive Scan) plays DVD's better than my old non progressive scan Sony but still not perfect; or as good as the Sony connected to the old Hitachi non HD RPTV for that matter. But I can't get Dolby 5.1 out of the Xbox- maybe I need the HD cables from the Xbox to the AVR or DLP????

Either way, this has more or less convinced me to drop $130 large on a Toshiba Progressive scan DVD with HDMI. I'll pick one up at Best Buy tomorrow at lunch and will post the results after I compare it to the Sony and XBox. I am sure it will blow them both away :)


jumpinjoe,

The xbox being non progressive scan for dvd playback will not look very good at all. and with this new tv, I hope you buy the HiDef AV pack which then adds the digital 5.1 optical out, there are several high def games 720p and two or three 1080i games on xbox, and then 75% of the rest are 480p and look good.

Microsoft basically screwed the basic consumer. The box itself is capable of outputting not only a progressive scan picture for dvd, it also can upscale to 1080i or 720P very well. Unfortunately you need to have it modded to run the programs. I did side by side comparison with the samsung, LG, and Oppo upconverting dvds, of course I stuck with oppo, but the xbox held it own against the lg, and was better than the samsung which I thought was too soft.

The nice thing about Set top boxes for HD cable service is the DVR functions, my comcast Motorola box has a built in hardrive which wil record aprox 15 hours HD, 50 hrs SD, records two shows at once, while you wath another show you already recorded, and also buffers any show you are watching on it so you can pause rewind, or later hit record and it records the show from when you started watching in not when you hit record. With comcast the difference between renting their cable card or HD box is 6$ a month versus 11$ for the HD box with DVR.