Toshiba’s first three 1080p DLP rear projection TVs

Posted May 19, 2005, 9:29 PM ET by Peter Rojas

Toshiba also announed their first three 1080p DLP rear projection TVs today, the 56-inch 56HM195, the 62-inch 62HM195, and the 72-inch (you guessed it) 72HM195. All three are CableCARD ready, and have a built-in memory card reader for looking at digital photos, dual HDMI ports, and a FireWire port if you want to attach one of Toshiba’s optional 160GB Symbio HD Recorders. Both the 56HM195 and the 62HM195 should be out by August, with the 72HM195 to follow a month later. (Can’t find any pics at the moment, but they’ll turn up sooner or later.)

thats when the 720p came out last year, i remember the first time i saw it in action was during a epsn thurs night game, i was blown away and bought it a couple months later. 1080p on the other hand doesn't strike a wow in me yet, especially since it can't accept 1080p . i like the 56 inch, i think they did that to compete with samsung. don't think its worth upgrading to 1080p though not enough hd out there, you will boost up 85% of your sd programing to high res's and that would just look horrible

Interestings. They have added some pricing info and other details....

What some might find interesting is that they explicitly break the new "rules" set by TI and name the chip used in the 1080p sets (xHD4, as we have been calling it):

"Toshiba Technology
The technology at the center of the new 1080p sets is a Digital Light Engine named TALEN X. This system utilizes Texas Instruments' xHD4 chip and incorporates Toshiba's DEEP Picture and Xtreme BLAC technologies to provide high resolution with improved brightness and contrast.

Another development from Toshiba is the incorporation of the new PixelPure™ AT (Adaptive Technology) Digital Video Processing. This next generation processing delivers the consistently high picture quality expected from Toshiba TVs. Key PixelPure AT components include:

* Motion Adaptive De-Interlacing
* Adaptive MPEG Processing
* Adaptive Contrast Enhancement
* Adaptive Color Enhancement"

No contrast ratio numbers are quoted, but the pricing seems nice (NOTE: the naming convention is that the 95 series are 720p, while the 195 series are 1080p):

"Pricing and Expected Availability

* TheaterWide models:
46HM95 (July 2005, $2,499.99); 52HM95 (June 2005, $2,799.99); 62HM95 (July 2005, $3,299.99); 56HM195 (August 2005, $3,499.99); 62HM195 (August 2005, $3,799.99); 72HM195 (September 2005, $4,999.99)
* Cinema Series models:
52HMX95 (July 2005, $3,099.99); 62HMX95 (July 2005, $3,599.99); 56MX195 (September 2005, $3,799.99); 62MX195 (September 2005, $4,099.99); 72MX195 (October 2005, $5,299.99)"

and BEST OF ALL :) :

"All 1080p DLP™ sets from Toshiba offer a new cosmetic design featuring space-saving bottom speakers."

Just when I was about to order the HLR5667 things start looking really interesting this summer...

Now for all the other info (NOTE: 2 HDMI's):

"The 2005 Line-up
Toshiba's TheaterWide line of high definition DLP™ Projection televisions will include screen sizes ranging from 46" to 72". The TheaterWide line will include three 720p models (46HM95 (46"); 52HM95 (52"); 62HM95 (62")) and three 1080p models (56HM195 (56"); 62HM195 (62"); 72HM195 (72")). Through the use of Xtreme BLAC (Black Level Aperture Control) the new 1080p sets offer stunning resolution and enhanced contrast ratios ensuring crystal clear picture quality.

Toshiba's Cinema Series line of high definition DLP™ Projection Televisions will also include 720p and 1080p models. With Screen sizes ranging from 52" to 72" the Cinema Series line will offer two 720p models (52HMX95 (52"); 62HMX95 (62")) and three 1080p models (56MX195 (56"); 62MX195 (62"); 72MX195 (72")). The 52" and 62" 720p sets feature a new all black cabinet with a high gloss black bezel. All 1080p DLP™ sets from Toshiba offer a new cosmetic design featuring space-saving bottom speakers.

New Features
In an effort to provide consumers with a richer home theater experience, Toshiba has added exciting new features to its 2005 line. ChannelBrowser™ lets consumers use a "back" button - similar to a PC browser back button - that will allow easy access to recently viewed channels. All new Cinema Series DLP™ PTV models will include THINC™ (Toshiba Home Interactive Network Connection) home entertainment networking. This revolutionary feature allows consumers to connect their TV to their PC and playback MP3 audio files and JPEG pictures using only the TV remote.

The DLP™ line-up uses the new Radiance™ 150 Hi-Bright Lamp for noticeably brighter images. The line also employs the TheaterFine™ DFP Screen technology with Anti-Glare Coating that results in increased detail and noticeably deeper blacks.

Fully Integrated Sets
All DLP™ sets in the Toshiba 2005 line offer integrated HDTV tuners and are loaded with features for a smooth transition into HDTV. Toshiba's DLP™ projection TVs are Digital Cable Ready with ATSC/QAM digital tuning and a CableCARD™ slot, and TV Guide On Screen® interactive program guide, for simple, user-friendly channel navigation. All integrated DLP™ TVs also feature IEEE1394 (DTVLink) ports for connection to an optional Symbio™ HD Recorder.

In addition, these models feature the TheaterNet™ 1394/IR control system for external device control, and an OmniViewer™ Memory Card Slot (which accepts five types of memory cards) with JPEG viewer for viewing of digital photos.

The full line of Toshiba DLP™ TVs feature many of the key technologies that the company has been known for including: CableClear® DNR, SRS® WOW™, HD Window™ POP, and now Dual HDMI™ digital inputs. "

(editted because I was dumb and quoted the part that DIDN'T have the price ;) )

(editted AGAIN because now I didn't point out which were 1080p)

(editted one last time (I promise) just to add all the other info too)

Sounds very interesting. I had the 62HM84 last year and switched it out for the Mitsubishi 62725 because of the ghosting over the HDMI port. Hopefully that issue has been resolved. The current Mitsubishi show significantly more detail in the picture however. You can tell a big difference playing video games in the two as you see jaggies on some Xbox games while the Mits cleans them up still leaving the edges sharp. The Toshiba on the other hand has great contrast. I'm annoyed by the somewhat dim image on the Mits which is making me seriously considering upgrading. This announcement sounds like Toshiba is moving in the right direction. Two HDMIs in the standard model (number of component inputs wasn't mentioned), now has an HD tuner in the theaterwide along with a cable card slot. And the speakers are now on the side which is great. $4999 for the 72" sounds like a great price for that size. The current Toshiba is bright so if they're now using a 150watt bulb it should be very bright. My only issue with the new sets coming out is the number of inputs. Here's my future plans:

Inputs:
--------
DVD - would like to use HDMI
Xbox360 - HDMI????
Playstation 3 - HDMI
Sattellite - HDMI/Component
PC - VGA/HDMI/Component (I have an ATI card with component out)

Future 1080DLP inputs:
-----------------------------
Mitsubishi - 2 HDMI, 3 component (Diamond has VGA but is out of my price range)
Toshiba - 2 HDMI, ? Component
Samsung - 2 HDMI, 2 component, 1 VGA

Can't wait to see the new 1080P DLPs

Originally posted by sayanythingrock
thats when the 720p came out last year, i remember the first time i saw it in action was during a epsn thurs night game, i was blown away and bought it a couple months later. 1080p on the other hand doesn't strike a wow in me yet, especially since it can't accept 1080p . i like the 56 inch, i think they did that to compete with samsung. don't think its worth upgrading to 1080p though not enough hd out there, you will boost up 85% of your sd programing to high res's and that would just look horrible

From my understanding of the upcoming 1080p DLPs is because the TVs are supposed to upconvert everything to 1080p. From what I've read from the few on this board that have seen them state that the picture is much clearer and less artifacts (not to mention the contrast/black levels are much higher on the 1080p DLPs). So regardless if nothing is being broadcast in 1080p you will notice a difference (from what I've read). The only concern is that the sets are not natively 1080. Not sure how important that is now but the PS3 next year is supposed to output games in 1080p and comes will play Blu-Ray DVDs (who knows if that will be the standard). And considering in the Toshiba line its only about a $500 diffecrence to upgrade to the 1080p DLPs and that the contrast will likely be much higher, it will be worth the difference in price to many.

Originally posted by profjoe
Interestings. They have added some pricing info and other details....

"Pricing and Expected Availability

* TheaterWide models:
46HM95 (July 2005, $2,499.99); 52HM95 (June 2005, $2,799.99); 62HM95 (July 2005, $3,299.99); 56HM195 (August 2005, $3,499.99); 62HM195 (August 2005, $3,799.99); 72HM195 (September 2005, $4,999.99)
* Cinema Series models:
52HMX95 (July 2005, $3,099.99); 62HMX95 (July 2005, $3,599.99); 56MX195 (September 2005, $3,799.99); 62MX195 (September 2005, $4,099.99); 72MX195 (October 2005, $5,299.99)"

and BEST OF ALL :) :

"All 1080p DLP™ sets from Toshiba offer a new cosmetic design featuring space-saving bottom speakers."


Lots happening the latter part of this year in 1080P land!! Samsung, JVC, Mitsubishi, LG, and now Toshiba!

Judging by the 2004 Models and the MSRP pricing, Toshiba is a major player here. Figuring the normal initial street price of 80-85% MSRP, it seems the price point for 56" model 1080P DLP's will be somewhere between $2,500 and $3,000! (The Sammy 1080P 5668 model is already being offered for pre-orders in the low 3's and will certainly have to drop some from there to be competitive, since Toshiba DLP's are readily acknowledged by electronic techies to be of superior parts and workmanship than Samsung). By Year-End, with all the 1080P's flooding the market, i wouldn't be surprised to see the price point for 56" 1080P DLP's slip under $2,500!

2006 should bring even more advanced technology and, possibly a price point for 56" DLP 1080P Models that will be under $2,000~!! Who'da thunk it! What a great world we live in:D

As far as we know, NONE of these sets from ANY company has 1080p capable inputs still...is that correct?

As far as we don't know.

Great news! I especially like the speakers at the bottom part! Are there any pics yet?

Yes, that is a good question.

My money would be on them staying with the HD2+, as found in the 2004 models.

It also implies that the 720p models will continue to have the speakers on the sides of the screen.

It's not clear to me what the diference is between Toshiba's 'Theaterwide' and 'Cinema Series' sets is (except price). Is there any difference in the internal electronics that affects PQ, or just in extra features, or just a differenct cabinet? Anyone know?

Is it just the 1080's that will have the bottom speakers??

im interested.

Will the Toshiba Firewire outputs still work only with Toshiba Symbio recorders? It would be nice if they could work with other HD recorders like JVC D-VHS!

tks for your great job, profjoe! you ain't dumb at all. ;)
wonder if possible to upgrade from current 720p to 1080p just by swapping optical engine?

BTW, just notice avsforum has a new look! :) no wonder I couldn't logon that day. but bit slower than previous look.

(editted because I was dumb and quoted the part that DIDN'T have the price ;) )

(editted AGAIN because now I didn't point out which were 1080p)

(editted one last time (I promise) just to add all the other info too)

Just an FYI, it seems to me (purely from re-reading the press release) that the only difference between the Theaterwide and Cinema series is the "digital jukebox/pictureviewer" ability. See here:

"All new Cinema Series DLP™ PTV models will include THINC™ (Toshiba Home Interactive Network Connection) home entertainment networking. This revolutionary feature allows consumers to connect their TV to their PC and playback MP3 audio files and JPEG pictures using only the TV remote."

Also, after reading some of the new Samsung audio/video sync woes, I wanted to check if it would be reasonable to expect that the Toshibas would avoid this (I had heard that the current models can pass 5.1). I believe the reason the current models can pass 5.1 is that they have "SRS Trusurround" . The press release does not mention this on the upcoming sets. I will email someone and check it out (and obviously post here).

Any other obvious questions to ask?!

something basic info like CR, brightness, 6/7/8 SCW, lamp lifetime, HD2+/HD4/xHD3/xHD4.....

I will email someone and check it out (and obviously post here).
Any other obvious questions to ask?!

a buddy of mine is an engineer at the enclosure facility here in Tennessee. He says that the difference between the 04s and the 05s (asthetically) is incredible.

Especially interested in the 1080p 56 inch models

i love my 720p ill wait to see the 1080p before thinking of upgrading

Does anybody have info on the physical dimensions of these sets? I'm specifically interested in the width of the 62" 1080p set.

Don't know if anyone has posted this link yet: http://www.ultimateavmag.com/news/052305toshiba/

Great job gazelle! I was quite surprised to see that they claim the HD4 is *not* a wobbulation chip!? Could there be two new 720p chips? (or is the article simply mistaken)

I wonder if this is the same chip used by Samsung in their 67 series?

Gazelle, just curious..what is your location ?

Dick

Gazelle, just curious..what is your location ?

Dick NY/NJ area

I have read all the usual "Wait or not to wait for 1080p" stuff and am still confused. I am considering a nice LCD HDTV...have loved the picture for a long time. Of course, it can only do 720p/1080i. I am not concerned about waiting for programming in 1080p, since everything I've read indicates that it'll be awhile (if it all) for widespread programming in 1080p.

My only concern is the upcoming HD-DVD/Blu-Ray technology. We've already been told they will support 1080p. So how do I justify getting a brand new LCD tv that won't even be able to play the new DVD's in their glory? Does anyone think it would be a huge waste of money? Of course...I have been drooling over 720p for awhile, and want to get a nice HD set. I guess I'm asking the same ole question...to wait or not to wait?

Thanks...
Dave
Texas

I have been waiting for a 3 chip DLP for a while now, I though it would be a long time before I got to see one. The best part is, no rainbows. I might jump now if the set looks good, if not, I will have to keep suffering with my current HDTV. :)

I have been waiting for a 3 chip DLP for a while now, I though it would be a long time before I got to see one... :)

Who makes or who is planning on making a 3 chip DLP RP?

Also, after reading some of the new Samsung audio/video sync woes, I wanted to check if it would be reasonable to expect that the Toshibas would avoid this (I had heard that the current models can pass 5.1). I believe the reason the current models can pass 5.1 is that they have "SRS Trusurround" . The press release does not mention this on the upcoming sets. I will email someone and check it out (and obviously post here).

I had reported on a Samsung thread that the latest Toshiba DLPs could pass 5.1 through their HDMI inputs. I was incorrect (confirmed by Toshiba technical support)! They claim to be able to pass 5.1 through their digital audio out but the HDMI circuit will not accept 5.1 audio. The only apparent way to get a 5 channel digital audio signal in is through a 1394 input.

I haven't been able to confirm that any of the DLP or DILA TVs manufactured today will pass 5 channel audio through their HDMI inputs, even though the technology is available. This is a quote from the HDMI site:

http://www.hdmi.org/consumer/faq.asp

"Does HDMI support Dolby 5.1 audio and high-resolution audio formats? Yes. From the start, HDMI was defined to carry 8-channels, of 192kHz, 24-bit uncompressed audio, which exceeds all current consumer media formats. In addition, HDMI can carry any flavor of compressed audio format such as Dolby or DTS. (Such compressed formats are the only multi-channel or high-resolution audio formats that can be carried across the older S/PDIF or AES/EBU interfaces.) The fact that the vast majority of HDMI products shipped are two-channel TVs that don’t support more than two-channel audio doesn’t make this any less the case. Most existing HDMI sources can output any compressed stream, and the newer sources can output uncompressed 6-channel, 96kHz audio from a DVD-Audio disk. There are several A/V receivers on the market that can accept and process the 6- or 8-channel audio from HDMI and more are expected to be available shortly."

It appears that their hasn't been enough consumer pressure or competition to do it right.

Who makes or who is planning on making a 3 chip DLP RP?

My bad, I misunderstood this part wrong.

"Toshiba also announed their first three 1080p DLP rear projection TVs today"

That is the last time I surf the forum after being awake for 24 hours.

This link has more info and some pics. Weird thing is that it has the 62HM95 with side speakers. :(

http://news.designtechnica.com/featured_article25.html

[QUOTE=Big Worms]Weird thing is that it has the 62HM95 with side speakers. :(

Not weird at all. The 95 series is the 720p line which we expected would keep the side speakers since the original press release said something like "and the new 1080p sets will use space saving bottom speakers" (i.e., implying that the 720p sets would *not*).

I emailed Toshiba *ages* ago trying to answer some of the questions that have come up about the sets, but I guess they are not as PR friendly as Steve P. at Samsung.

Anyone have an update on release dates?

[QUOTE=Big Worms]Weird thing is that it has the 62HM95 with side speakers. :(

Not weird at all. The 95 series is the 720p line which we expected would keep the side speakers since the original press release said something like "and the new 1080p sets will use space saving bottom speakers" (i.e., implying that the 720p sets would *not*).

I emailed Toshiba *ages* ago trying to answer some of the questions that have come up about the sets, but I guess they are not as PR friendly as Steve P. at Samsung.

Anyone have an update on release dates?
Wow it would help if I read it right. Sorry you are correct.

For clarification, what does it mean that the new 1080p sets won't be natively 1080p (as mentioned in this thread). If this is the case, is the only advantage of these new sets the dramatically increased contrast? Do we have to wait a couple more years for natively 1080p screens?
Thank you.

I read that these sets don't have 1080p inputs. Does this mean that HDMI, DVI, and component are incapable of delivering more than 720p/1080i? Have they developed any 1080p inputs yet (like a replacement for HDMI)?

hdmi/dvi spec is capable of 1080p/60fps but it's the circuitry on the tv's that limit the inbound connection to 1080i at most. I don't remember the brand name but there is one out that that allows for 1080p, and are supposed to be in the TV's later this year that will support a 1080p input, for example the rumored Sony SXRD LCoS sets coming out this fall

The first retail listings for the 720p sets are starting to show up on the web, and claim these sets are still powered by a larger version of the HD2+ chip ("Step-up HD2+ DLP™ Chip Larger .8" Chip for Increased Brightness").

Really looking forward to seeing these in person.

The first retail listings for the 720p sets are starting to show up on the web, and claim these sets are still powered by a larger version of the HD2+ chip ("Step-up HD2+ DLP™ Chip Larger .8" Chip for Increased Brightness").

Really looking forward to seeing these in person.

I searched for the 52HM95 (720p) set that was scheduled for release in June, but couldn't find it advertised as "in stock" anywhere.

Can you post a link?

Thanks.

A couple of sites have the following description, found here:

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/hypaudio/52hm95.html

# 6.2 Million Pixel Over Sampling - for Higher Perceived Resolution with Decreased Image Distortion
# Real Speed Progressive Scanning -uses Additional Sampling Points to Create Smoother Diagonal Lines Dynamic Contrast Enhancer - for Higher Perceived Contrast and Increased Color Saturation and Purity.
# Super Real Transient and Small Signal Sharpness - for Sharp Transitions from Dark to Bright
# Color Transient Improver - for Sharp Transitions on Color Changes Without Bleeding
# Color Detail Enhancer - to Maintain Fine Image Detail in Color Saturated Areas
# Integrated HDTV - Toshiba Premium Package
# ATSC/QAM Tuners (Terrestrial/Cable)
# Dolby Digital® Audio Output (Coaxial)
# CableCARD™ Slot (DCR - Digital Cable Ready )
# TV Guide™ On-Screen One-Touch
# HD Recording Control Live Pause / Rewind Capability
# Two IEEE1394 Ports (DTVLink)
# OmniViewer™ Memory Card Slot (SD, SM, MS, CF,& MM)
# TALEN™ (Toshiba Advanced Light Engine) DLP™ Engine
# Step-up HD2+ DLP™ Chip Larger .8" Chip for Increased Brightness
# Full 1280 x 720 Mirrors for Enhanced Sharpness
# Filled-in Mirror Vias for Increased Contrast
# Double-Speed 9-Bit System w/Enhanced Algorithms for Video Noise Elimination
# Direct Video Input Selection
# Discrete IR Codes
# PIP Sound

A couple of sites have the following description, found here:

(cant post URL's yet)


Yeah, the specs have been published for some time now, but nobody has any in stock yet.

Toshiba announced in May that the 720p sets would be available in June, but apparently they haven't been.

I know the other manufacturers have been missing their 1080p release dates, but the 52HM95 is only a 720p set

Kinda makes me wonder what they're waiting for.

Quality problems, or some other marketing reason?

Anyway, while I'm waiting for the Toshiba, I've started looking at the Sony LCD's.

IMO, the picture quality is comparable, although the black levels on the Sony do seem a little weak.

The hunt continues... :)

since I hook mine up to a computer I would really like to see the 1080p in action.

Has anyone found an actual spec sheet for the 720p models? I'm wondering if they indeed have the HD2+ chip.

Don't know if anyone has posted this link yet: http://www.ultimateavmag.com/news/052305toshiba/

I found this part pretty disturbing

<<For those hoping for 1080p from HD DVD, don't hold your breath—Toshiba confirmed that the data is recorded on HD DVD in 1080i, and there are no plans to change that. The players have already been designed for 1080i discs, and it would take a redesign to enable them to handle 1080p discs, even if there were plans to produce them.>>

Say what? Is this just Toshiba or is it all HD DVD manufacturers?

Bottom Line: the only way to get true 1080p is via PC and as far as I know there are just a few flat panel LCDs that have REAL 1080p inputs. if you're buying one of the 1080p sets coming out now buy it for the increase in Picture Quality due to factors other than resolution or buy it because 1080i upconverted to 1080p looks great. Don't buy it as future proofing--without true 1080p input support and circuitry you'll just be at a dead end! My guess is that next year we may see true 1080p inputs.

I just got off the phone with one of the web retailers about the 46HM95 sets and he says they will have HD2+ Mustang chips, not the wobbulated ones.

The first retail listings for the 720p sets are starting to show up on the web, and claim these sets are still powered by a larger version of the HD2+ chip ("Step-up HD2+ DLP™ Chip Larger .8" Chip for Increased Brightness").

Really looking forward to seeing these in person.

That is the same verbage (HD2+ DLP™ Chip Larger .8" Chip for Increased Brightness) from the 52hm94 that I purchased. When I inquired about the meaning I found that it refers to "larger than .55" chip", another common size. Not sure about the "step-up" part. I've seen a product description (BBY Canada?) of the 95 series sets that describe them as having a "HD4" in one part of the specs and the above referenced "step-up HD2+" chip in another part of the specs. A function of poor editing/proofreading of re-used past literature and fact tags.

I just got off the phone with Toshiba. The CSR said they didn't have much info on the 95 sets yet. I asked him which chip the 95's were using, and he said he didn't know. After putting me on hold, he came back and said they have the HD4 in them. :(

these toshibas have a game mode right? where it clears up and has no lag, and when you change it to game mode does it change the video at all? like lower quality or anything?

I just got off the phone with one of the web retailers about the 46HM95 sets and he says they will have HD2+ Mustang chips, not the wobbulated ones.


Well, I just got word from Toshiba and it confirms that all DLP sets for this year are HD4 chip based. HD4 for 720P and xHD4 for 1080P.

What is the expected performance difference between the older HD2+ and the newer HD4's???

I am at the point that I may buy a 46HM94/95 depending on which has a better picture.

Why would Toshiba sell Canada 52hm85 720p with HD2+ and US w/ a HD4? My info is from Toshiba Canada website...Could be a misprint as well there though.

This whole deal with the current crop of 1080p televisions not supporting native 1080p inputs is quite strange isn't it?

I mean, there are plenty of 1080p native displays out on the market that accept native 1080p signal both analog and digital. My 2 24" Dell monitors have both DVI and VGA 1080p inputs. I believe the component input may even be 1080p (too lazy to check the specs). And what about the Sharp 45" Aquos? Certainly that supports 1080p DVI, anyone know if it's HDMI is a native 1080p input too?

I don't know that I am too concerned about having my TV be native 1080p on all inputs. But it is certainly perplexing enough for me to hesitate on a purchase. And I am fascinated by blu-ray devices like the PS3. As for no 1080p on HD-DVD... why do people like HD-DVD? Simply because it is a cheaper to market first product? That is a little short sighted isn't it? I mean, I'll gladly pay a little more if it means more than twice the storage capacity and faster seek, read and write times.

Ok, sorry too much thread tangency in this post. :)

Then I guess you'll be buying HVD (Holographic Versatile Disc )late next year instead of Blu-Ray. With an initial capacity of 200GB it will blow Blu-Ray and HD-DVD away and also the capability to scale to 1TB in the future.

Just got a PDF from Toshiba with specs on the 46HM95 sets. Here are a few interesting lines from it:

Talen™ (Toshiba Advanced Light Engine) DLP™ Engine
Full 1280 x 720 Mirrors for Enhanced Sharpness
Improved Toshiba PixelPure™ 2 with RAVE technology
New Radiance™ 150 Hi-Bright Lamp
Quick Restart
High Brightness (Day)/Low Power (Night) Lamp Modes
TheaterFine™ DFP Screen (Digital Fine Pitch)
Super-Fine Screen Pitch with Anti-Glare Coating
H-DMI™ Digital Input 2
IEEE1394 (DTVLink) Digital Port 2

The one that sparks my interest is the second line: Full 1280 x 720 Mirrors for Enhanced Sharpness. What chip is this??? if it has full 1280 x 720 mirrors, it can't be wobulated can it??? A previous e-mail from Toshiba said that these will be HD4 chips, but I thought the HD4's were wobulated??? How do these compare to the HD2+ chips used in the 46HD94 sets???

Do I wait for a new 95, or find a 94 for less money???

Sometimes I hate to be so informed:-(

The new 720p models are on display at FutureShop here they are NOT using a HD2+ chip.

The new 720p models are on display at FutureShop here they are NOT using a HD2+ chip.


The question is, what chip are the using??? Toshiba claims HD4, yet say 1280 x 720 real mirrors...from what I am hearing that can't be an HD4 as they are wobulted.

How do they look in comparison to the 46HM94's from last season???

I am trying to find out if it is better or worse than last years before all of the older models disappear.

The question is, what chip are the using??? Toshiba claims HD4, yet say 1280 x 720 real mirrors...from what I am hearing that can't be an HD4 as they are wobulted.

How do they look in comparison to the 46HM94's from last season???

I am trying to find out if it is better or worse than last years before all of the older models disappear.

Its was a womblated chip, it would not have 1280x720 mirrors, likely 640x720. Its possible the US models could be different but likely not. TI needs to make the number of real mirrors clear, as sales staff are misleading people.

JackLT,
Please see my post above. I thought the difference from 85 to 95 was a cablecard or tuner issue not a chipset/light engine issue. I could be wrong though. I don't see why Toshiba would quit using their HD2+ chipsets when Sony is using them for allot of their fall product as well. It seems to me that the manufacturers in general prefer a non-wobbulated chipset if possible.

Its was a womblated chip, it would not have 1280x720 mirrors, likely 640x720. Its possible the US models could be different but likely not. TI needs to make the number of real mirrors clear, as sales staff are misleading people.

I just got another confirmation from Toshiba. These 720 sets are all HD4 chip based.

From what I read it is a wobulated chip.

I guess the 64 dollar question is: Which set has the better picture, the older HD2+ based unit or the new HD4 unit???

What do you gain or loose???

I am going slightly bonkers, and until I have my eye surgery in two weeks, I can't even believe my own eyes:-(

I guess the 64 dollar question is: Which set has the better picture, the older HD2+ based unit or the new HD4 unit???

If the Toshibas aren't out yet, you might be able to get an idea by going to a store and comparing a Samsung xx67 and xx77--the former uses HD4 and the latter uses HD2+. Obviously other factors will be at play since it's a different manufacturer with a different light engine, etc., but it might give you some idea of the PQ difference.

With the Samsungs, it generally seems that people who prefer a super-sharp picture prefer the HD2+, while people who prefer a more film-like picture prefer (or at least don't mind) the HD4. There's been a lot of debate about wobulated vs. non-wobulated, with people making arguments on both sides about relative PQ. So it's probably more a matter of personal preference.

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With the Samsungs, it generally seems that people who prefer a super-sharp picture prefer the HD2+, while people who prefer a more film-like picture prefer (or at least don't mind) the HD4. There's been a lot of debate about wobulated vs. non-wobulated, with people making arguments on both sides about relative PQ. So it's probably more a matter of personal preference.

HD2+ is the preferred 720p chip. Its full resolution.
The others are half resolution, made to cut costs.

JackLT,
Please see my post above. I thought the difference from 85 to 95 was a cablecard or tuner issue not a chipset/light engine issue. I could be wrong though. I don't see why Toshiba would quit using their HD2+ chipsets when Sony is using them for allot of their fall product as well. It seems to me that the manufacturers in general prefer a non-wobbulated chipset if possible.

TI wants to cut costs, thats why HD2+ sets are getting rare. The new TI chips used in DLPs are not full resolution, they only use half the mirrors, and TI had plans to use them with 1/4 of the pixels. TI seems to have a policy now not to indicate the actual mirrors used on a chip. I wonder why...

Most buyers do not understand what DLP, LCD , HD2+ or HD4 even is. Most dont care either, they look at the price, size and picture.

Sony does not use HD2+ or any DLP for that matter, they use 3 LCD panels and are coming out with a new SXRD technology to better compete with DLPs fill ratio.

Right now the best deal are on last years models, you can find some excellent clearance prices. If you can find one, take a look at the Panasonic DLP from last year. It was the cream of the HD2+ crop, its only weakness is the cabinet design and fan noise.

If not getting a clearance model wait a couple months and look at the new sets coming out, sonys SXRD may be the DLP killer, also look at the higher resolution DLPs which use a 960x1080 chip.

Has anybody actually looked closely at the new tvs with the wobulation chip? This chip gives just as good a picture if not better than any other dlp chip. The reason they used the new wobulation chip is to have a better fill factor. Nobody actually checks these things out they just hear something they dont like and comment on it. Did you know that the chip is also twice as fast as the HD2+ chip that is how each mirror takes care of two pixles. When I had my Samsung 67 model calibrated the tech turned the chip on and off to show me how it worked on the screen it was amazing how good of a job the chip did. The result is better fill factor and better blacks. Dont let numbers fool you the new chips do an amazing job.

After lurking for a while, thought I would ask what might be a dumb question. Other than the THINC networking capability, what are the differences between Theaterwide and the Cinema Series?

It is a way to charge more money and give you the same tv.

Just kidding I dont really know.

Has anybody actually looked closely at the new tvs with the wobulation chip? This chip gives just as good a picture if not better than any other dlp chip. The reason they used the new wobulation chip is to have a better fill factor. Nobody actually checks these things out they just hear something they dont like and comment on it. Did you know that the chip is also twice as fast as the HD2+ chip that is how each mirror takes care of two pixles. When I had my Samsung 67 model calibrated the tech turned the chip on and off to show me how it worked on the screen it was amazing how good of a job the chip did. The result is better fill factor and better blacks. Dont let numbers fool you the new chips do an amazing job.


The thing that puzzles me is that the Toshiba rep I have an e-mail from swears these are HD4 based tv's, yet the PDF of the spec's he sent clearly states that it has "Full 1280 x 720 Mirrors for Enhanced Sharpness".

Has anybody actually looked closely at the new tvs with the wobulation chip? .


I find the wombled images are softer. TI can call it Smoothpicture, Movie-like, etc, but its not as sharp as a full resolution image. The Smoothpicture white paper stated the purpose was to reduce costs. SDE was never an issue with DLP.

Its like LCD projector users putting the image out of focus, and saying it solves SDE. It just makes the image soft.

Quoted contrast ratios mean little they seem to double every year, but the HD2+ sets offered the best image. Some claim the new 1080p wombled sets are better. Still waiting to see...

The good news about the Toshiba 1080p televisions is that they seem to be priced better than the Samsungs. I googled for 'Toshiba 56hm195' and found two places selling the 56 inch model for under 2900 bucks.

The good news about the Toshiba 1080p televisions is that they seem to be priced better than the Samsungs. I googled for 'Toshiba 56m195' and found two places selling the 56 inch model for under 2900 bucks.


Toshiba DLP's also tend to be higher quality.

Does anyone know when the 62" Toshiba 1080p is suppose to be released?

To add to the last question, are any toshiba 1080p's even for sale yet?

To add to the last question, are any toshiba 1080p's even for sale yet?

Supposed to be out in September, i think.

To add to the last question, are any toshiba 1080p's even for sale yet? With the caveat that these dates are from an early press release:
56HM195 - Aug 2005
62HM195 - Aug 2005
72HM195 - Aug 2005
56MX195 - Sep 2005
62MX195 - Sep 2005
72MX195 - Oct 2005

(Based on industry SOP and a basic streak of pessimism, I'd be satisfied if we saw any new sets by the end of September.)

With the caveat that these dates are from an early press release:
56HM195 - Aug 2005
62HM195 - Aug 2005
72HM195 - Aug 2005
56MX195 - Sep 2005
62MX195 - Sep 2005
72MX195 - Oct 2005

(Based on industry SOP and a basic streak of pessimism, I'd be satisfied if we saw any new sets by the end of September.)
check out B & H photo, a very trusted online retailer. they have it available on a drop ship basis from Toshiba for a price of $3099

With the caveat that these dates are from an early press release:
56HM195 - Aug 2005
62HM195 - Aug 2005
72HM195 - Aug 2005
56MX195 - Sep 2005
62MX195 - Sep 2005
72MX195 - Oct 2005

(Based on industry SOP and a basic streak of pessimism, I'd be satisfied if we saw any new sets by the end of September.)

Does anyone know if there are any dimensional specs for any of the models?

Also, what the big difference between the HM & MX series?

Lastly, in the Samsung threads, it looks like there's a lot of talk about a lip sync issue with their new 1080p sets (this also happened on their 720p sets). Does anyone know if Toshiba DLP's have experienced these problems on their 720p models?

So is this fake 1080p or what?

what does drop ship mean? They ship directly from Toshiba to your house?

what does drop ship mean? They ship directly from Toshiba to your house?
That is correct, they are the middleman in the transaction. As I said previously they are one of the better online Etailers. Chack it out on their website, B & H photo.

Does anyone know if there are any dimensional specs for any of the models?

Also, what the big difference between the HM & MX series?

Lastly, in the Samsung threads, it looks like there's a lot of talk about a lip sync issue with their new 1080p sets (this also happened on their 720p sets). Does anyone know if Toshiba DLP's have experienced these problems on their 720p models?

Specifications & dimensions for HM Series (click the "Specification" link or scroll down):
56HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27854.htm
62HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27855.htm
72HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27858.htm

Note that all of these are "out of stock" and I'd guess the data is probably still preliminary.

Cinema series has that THINC(sp?) networking thing. Do not know if that is the only difference.

If anyone has a definitve answer on the lip sync issue, please, please, please speak up! I'm of the opinion that lip sync should be an issue on any HD set that uses an external audio system. The question is whether the lip sync is sufficient to "experience" it. I have only followed the launch of the new Samsungs closely and can only say there is a lot of concern there but no one has identified this as a uniquely Samsung problem. What the Samsung folks are finding is that there are a lot of variables potentially involved and its tough to nail down causes on a case-by-case basis.

PS. One question asked in the Samsung threads is "if audio sync is not a common problem why are the new AVRs built with audio delay functions, including the ability to delay by input on some units?"

Specifications & dimensions for HM Series (click the "Specification" link or scroll down):
56HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27854.htm
62HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27855.htm
72HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27858.htm

Note that all of these are "out of stock" and I'd guess the data is probably still preliminary.

Cinema series has that THINC(sp?) networking thing. Do not know if that is the only difference.

If anyone has a definitve answer on the lip sync issue, please, please, please speak up! I'm of the opinion that lip sync should be an issue on any HD set that uses an external audio system. The question is whether the lip sync is sufficient to "experience" it. I have only followed the launch of the new Samsungs closely and can only say there is a lot of concern there but no one has identified this as a uniquely Samsung problem. What the Samsung folks are finding is that there are a lot of variables potentially involved and its tough to nail down causes on a case-by-case basis.

Lip sync has never been a problem with Toshiba DLP's, so i doubt it will be with their new 1080P's. These sets have been hyped as the class of this year's DLP crop for months. Soon we'll know:)

Does anyone have any insight on the fact that these sets are starting to show up on some e-tailers sites? Does this indicate these sets may be shipping soon? I know back in May we were told these would be available in August, but at the time they also said the 720 sets would be available in June. It seems like the new 720 sets are just now starting to show up. Is it safe to assume that this means the 1080p sets will also be 2 months late and not show up until October?

Does anyone have any insight on the fact that these sets are starting to show up on some e-tailers sites? Does this indicate these sets may be shipping soon? I know back in May we were told these would be available in August, but at the time they also said the 720 sets would be available in June. It seems like the new 720 sets are just now starting to show up. Is it safe to assume that this means the 1080p sets will also be 2 months late and not show up until October?

We've been anticipating the 1080P's coming in October for months now. It's beginning to look, like Sony's SXRD's they may actually be a little early and show by mid to late September.

Specifications & dimensions for HM Series (click the "Specification" link or scroll down):
56HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27854.htm
62HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27855.htm
72HM195: http://ww1.onecall.com/PID_27858.htm

Note that all of these are "out of stock" and I'd guess the data is probably still preliminary.

Cinema series has that THINC(sp?) networking thing. Do not know if that is the only difference.

If anyone has a definitve answer on the lip sync issue, please, please, please speak up! I'm of the opinion that lip sync should be an issue on any HD set that uses an external audio system. The question is whether the lip sync is sufficient to "experience" it. I have only followed the launch of the new Samsungs closely and can only say there is a lot of concern there but no one has identified this as a uniquely Samsung problem. What the Samsung folks are finding is that there are a lot of variables potentially involved and its tough to nail down causes on a case-by-case basis.

PS. One question asked in the Samsung threads is "if audio sync is not a common problem why are the new AVRs built with audio delay functions, including the ability to delay by input on some units?"


I run STB SD/HD video through component directly to TV and STB analog/digital audio directly to receiver. Sync is perfect. Not sure if using the receiver as a video switching device would add sync issue. If it did, many (including mine) receiver's have audio delay feature to sync up making it a non issue.

PC input on the 1080P sets ?

PC input on the 1080P sets ?
Hmmm... Not listed as available inputs on the XXHM195 spec sheets above.

Hmmm... Not listed as available inputs on the XXHM195 spec sheets above.

I hope these atleast take 1080p over HDMI. I'm not buying Samsung because of this ... it is kind of ridiculous to say "1080p" TV when they can't take 1080p input :mad:

I hope these atleast take 1080p over HDMI. I'm not buying Samsung because of this ... it is kind of ridiculous to say "1080p" TV when they can't take 1080p input :mad:

Don't count on it. It appears even the new Sony SXRDs will not be able to accept 1080p over HDMI.

Don't count on it. It appears even the new Sony SXRDs will not be able to accept 1080p over HDMI.
I suspect 1080p over HDMI is the planned "must have" feature to get folks to upgrade in 2006 or 2007. I'd certainly be surprised to see it in the XXXX195s.

Also, what the big difference between the HM & MX series?

I think the article had a misprint. The models should be HM and HMX not HM and MX. In last years models there were two specifica differences, a scond HDMI input and the black bezel as opposed to gray. My guess, and I haven't seen data to back that up, is that the HMX's will all have PC input. A preliminary specification for the HMX95's show it.

Features of Toshiba 52HMX95:



Cinema Series HD - 720p HD DLP Projection TV
Talen 720p Light Engine with DEEP(Digitally Enhanced Engine Performance) Picture
Radiance 150 Hi-Bright Lamp, with Quick Restart
TheaterFine DRP Anti-Glare Screen
PixelPure AT (Adaptive Technology)Digital Video Processing
SRS WOW Sound
DoubleWindow POP
Dual HDMI Digital Inputs
Intergrated HD with ATSC & QAM Digital Tuning
Digital Cable Ready with CableCard Slot
TV Guide On Screen
Channel Browser
Omniviewer MultiCard Slot
IEEE1394 (DTVLink) Digital Port for optional Symbio HD Recorder
All Black Cabinet with High Gloss Black Arylic Bezel
Color Optimizer
Virtual Dobly Digital
THINC (toshiba home interactive networking connection) RJ-45 Entertaning Networking
PC Input (15-Pin D-Sub)
IR Input
Illuminated 6-item A/V Universal Remote

PC input on the 1080P sets?

That's one of the other step-up features on the Cinema Series models (HMX- for 720p, MX- for 1080p). The other upgrades are fairly minor: Virtual Dolby Digital processing for the built-in stereo speakers, and an IR input.

Steve

Has there been any information about the service mode tweakability of the 1080p Toshibas? I remember reading comments about the older models from ISF calibrators to the effect that they had a slightly better out of the box picture than many other DLPs, but due to limited adjustments in the service menu, their overall potential was considerably less than most DLPs after ISF calibration. Any word on whether this has been improved in the newer generations?

I suspect 1080p over HDMI is the planned "must have" feature to get folks to upgrade in 2006 or 2007. I'd certainly be surprised to see it in the XXXX195s.

Well, then, I'm not falling into their traps ;) I'll just buy a plasma now (an affordable 1080p plasma is perhaps a few years away) and get a dlp 1080p next year.

Crutchfield has just put the new Toshiba 56HM195 and 62HM195 1080p TVs up on thier web site. Includes a little info and a photo!

56" Model: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-z9vi0VzP3I8/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=147350&I=05256HM195

62" Model: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-z9vi0VzP3I8/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=147350&I=05262HM195

Only $3199 for the 56" model and $3799 for the 62" model!

Looks like both are expected later this month.

Anyone know if there will be a 52" 1080p model coming from Toshiba?Looks like they have a charcoal colored bezel with a silver body...I think black would be better...nice looking set also like the fact the speakers are on the bottom...haven't a clue on the 52" if there is one.

OK, OK, too... much... reading... so I gather on 1080p sets, 1080i content will be full resolution and look great but what about 720p upscaling to fit the 1080p resolution? I guess what i'm asking is simple, 1080i will look better on a 1080p set but will 720p content look better on a native 720p set or 1080p set? thx

does anyone know if these toshiba dlp's have video game lag, thats the main reason im gonna try to buy the 62HM195 but i need to know if they are like the samsung having alot of lag or if they have no lag, i appreciate the help

I just got another confirmation from Toshiba. These 720 sets are all HD4 chip based.

From what I read it is a wobulated chip.

I guess the 64 dollar question is: Which set has the better picture, the older HD2+ based unit or the new HD4 unit???

What do you gain or loose???

I am going slightly bonkers, and until I have my eye surgery in two weeks, I can't even believe my own eyes:-(

Well I got to see a 62HM95 in person at the Broad Street, Richmond, VA store. I liked what i saw. HD4 for sure, wobbulated, maybe a hair less sharp then the 84/94 series, but overall a nicer picture. Better color, better at handling fast moves, better blacks...I like it.

Best Buy also has the 46HM95 and the 52?56?HM95 in their order system.

I must give very high marks to the folks at this Best Buy store. They have been working with me since thanksgiving last year on making me happy...a long story about poor quality in the Toshiba 34HM84... and they treated me very nicely in the pricing area and it should be delivered Sunday.

I'll report as soon as possible, but I am getting one of my eyes operated on Thursday, so we will have to see...i just hope I can see:-)

Looks like they have a charcoal colored bezel with a silver body...I think black would be better...nice looking set also like the fact the speakers are on the bottom...haven't a clue on the 52" if there is one.

No 52" planned from Toshiba...

You will probably have to look at the Samsung 78 series 50" or the Mitsu 52"...

Looks like they have a charcoal colored bezel with a silver body...I think black would be better...nice looking set also like the fact the speakers are on the bottom...haven't a clue on the 52" if there is one.No 52" but there IS a 72". :cool:

Thia may sound like a stupid question, but instead of using HDMI or DVI, can a Firewire connection yield the same HD picture as HDMI or DVI?

One more question.........

Does anyone know how loud the fan is on the Toshiba DLP's? I know Samsung is pretty quiet and Mitsubishi is pretty loud, but I've never heard of how the Toshiba is.

One more question.........

Does anyone know how loud the fan is on the Toshiba DLP's? I know Samsung is pretty quiet and Mitsubishi is pretty loud, but I've never heard of how the Toshiba is.It is very quiet. I actually have two fans running as I use a cable card also and I can't even tell when they are running. The only set I remember hearing complaints on for fan noise were the Panasonic's.

Thia may sound like a stupid question, but instead of using HDMI or DVI, can a Firewire connection yield the same HD picture as HDMI or DVI? Potentially, but I know the Motorola STB's don't support graphics over the firewire so you lose any guide data if using this connection. I can't speak for the Scientific Atlanta boxes.

Anybody yet to glimpse one of these?

Or have info on the rumor that these have the xHD4 chip while the Sammy's have the xHD3?

With an ETA of next friday on these things (according to Crutchfield), can't believe its this quiet...

All the 1080P DLP sets have an xHD4 chip. The xHD3 was never used in a production model.

I'm looking forward to seeing the Toshiba 1080p sets in a few weeks. I definately am holding off pulling the trigger until I see how Toshiba's sets stack up.

One of the uses I'm hoping to use the TV for is as a huge-ass monitor for my PC. Now I know the Cinema model has a D-Sub, but I have a nice vid card with DVI, and the Theaterwide has 2 HDMI... So assuming I'm willing to sacrifice one of these HDMI for this purpose, are there any drawbacks to connecting a PC this way?

I know the Cinema model is only going to be a couple hundred more, but since the D-Sub is about all you're getting of any real import, it seems to me that I could do without it if the HDMI connection would work just as well (or better).

Here's hoping that it passes 5.1 audio and has no video game lag.

Thanks in advance.

I'm looking forward to seeing the Toshiba 1080p sets in a few weeks. I definately am holding off pulling the trigger until I see how Toshiba's sets stack up.

One of the uses I'm hoping to use the TV for is as a huge-ass monitor for my PC. Now I know the Cinema model has a D-Sub, but I have a nice vid card with DVI, and the Theaterwide has 2 HDMI... So assuming I'm willing to sacrifice one of these HDMI for this purpose, are there any drawbacks to connecting a PC this way?

I know the Cinema model is only going to be a couple hundred more, but since the D-Sub is about all you're getting of any real import, it seems to me that I could do without it if the HDMI connection would work just as well (or better).

Here's hoping that it passes 5.1 audio and has no video game lag.

Thanks in advance.

Cinema Series also has a network connection.

Thanks Gazelle...

What will the network connection do though?

Crutchfield has just put the new Toshiba 56HM195 and 62HM195 1080p TVs up on thier web site. Includes a little info and a photo!

56" Model: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-z9vi0VzP3I8/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=147350&I=05256HM195

62" Model: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-z9vi0VzP3I8/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=147350&I=05262HM195

Only $3199 for the 56" model and $3799 for the 62" model!

Looks like both are expected later this month.

Anyone know if there will be a 52" 1080p model coming from Toshiba?

It looks like there won't be a VGA input in these models.

It looks like there won't be a VGA input in these models. I'm pretty sure that is specific to the MX models (I'm still unclear on this as I have seen reference to HMX and MX. It doesn't make sense that they would do away with the H for just the Cinema Series of the 1080p sets).

Thanks Gazelle...

What will the network connection do though? THINC™ (Toshiba Home Interactive Network Connection) home entertainment networking. This revolutionary feature allows consumers to connect their TV to their PC and playback MP3 audio files and JPEG pictures using only the TV remote as opposed to using the memory card slots. I imagine it will make it easier to upgrade firmware too. ;)

Also, if you add Toshiba's Symbio HD hard drive recorder, you can program this recorder from a remote location via the Web!

But no one has any information on the input resolution I assume. I'm really happy outputting 1080i via my ATI component adapter, but I think that 1920x1080 VGA would be even better! 1080P baby! :)

Surprisingly, it looks like Sears will be carrying the 1080p Toshiba's (at least the non-fancy THINC-ified ones).

56HM195 just showed up on their website. Claims delivery in 3-7 days or store pickup in 20-22 days.

Surprisingly, it looks like Sears will be carrying the 1080p Toshiba's (at least the non-fancy THINC-ified ones).

56HM195 just showed up on their website. Claims delivery in 3-7 days or store pickup in 20-22 days.


Sears is in the process of phasing out Samsung DLP's due to quality control issues and will be carrying more Mitsubishi & Toshiba DLP's...

Not sure if gazelle has any hard info (he usually never fesses up to his source of info), but I had a salesman tell me the same thing.... not that I really ever believe a salesman knows what he is talking about :)

Sears is in the process of phasing out Samsung DLP's due to quality control issues and will be carrying more Mitsubishi & Toshiba DLP's...

Where did you hear this? I'm not doubting the authenticity, just curious.

Not sure if gazelle has any hard info (he usually never fesses up to his source of info), but I had a salesman tell me the same thing.... not that I really ever believe a salesman knows what he is talking about :)

My sources are very rarely quotable. Usually confidential or off the record, but in this case it's an open secret. You can talk to practically any Sears Manager and they'll tell you the same thing. It was told to me a while ago in confidentiality and i didn't post it here until it became public knowledge and was divulged openly by Sears employees themselves. As an aside for consumers, you can negotiate a pretty good deal for yourself from Sears on a Samsung DLP that they have in stock or warehoused if you are thinking of buying one. Bring documentation and speak to a manager. They will either match or come very close to reputable etailer pricing....

Is there an official statement from Sears about this?

Companies don't make "Official Statements" about things like this. Legal Issues and Contractual Obligations may be involved. They just do it quietly. I'm sure Sears won't say anything in public statements unless Samsung says something derogatory about them first.

(I'm still unclear on this as I have seen reference to HMX and MX. It doesn't make sense that they would do away with the H for just the Cinema Series of the 1080p sets).

The Cinema Series 1080p model names have an extra digit where they added the "1" in front of the "95". I'm guessing that they drop the "H" on these to preserve the field width (character count) of the full model number.

i.e., "62HMX95" and "62MX195" have the same number of chars in them.

Actually, the "1" refers to the sets being 1080p. The "MX" refers to the Cinema Series (the ones with the PC input and networking capabilities) and the "HM" are the standard TheaterWide sets.

Wow this almost deserves its own thread (Sears phasing out Samsung DLP's due to quality control)...

I am a bit surprised, as by these forums, one would conclude that the Sammy's are gods gift to the electronics world with the best quality over JVC, Tosh, etc....

Actually, the "1" refers to the sets being 1080p. The "MX" refers to the Cinema Series (the ones with the PC input and networking capabilities) and the "HM" are the standard TheaterWide sets.Almost correct. Here was the nomenclature.

Of course the first number is the size of the TV,
H for High Def, A for Analog.
If theres an M, its a DLP, P for Plasma, L for LCD, (its CRT by default)
X is for Cinema Series
8* indicated no integrated tuner
9* indicates integrated ATSC/QAM tuner
* indicates model year 200*

In some of the previous years, they had a D in that indicated DVI, but they've dropped that since all of the new HDTVs have DVI or HDMI.

I can only assume the 1 was added to designate the 1080p and as other have theorized the H for hi-def is a given and not needed or they wanted to keep the total characters equal.

My sources are very rarely quotable. Usually confidential or off the record, but in this case it's an open secret. You can talk to practically any Sears Manager and they'll tell you the same thing. It was told to me a while ago in confidentiality and i didn't post it here until it became public knowledge and was divulged openly by Sears employees themselves. As an aside for consumers, you can negotiate a pretty good deal for yourself from Sears on a Samsung DLP that they have in stock or warehoused if you are thinking of buying one. Bring documentation and speak to a manager. They will either match or come very close to reputable etailer pricing....

This is misinformed I hope you are not just spreading anti-Samsung noise.

Sears has JUST placed new R series Samsung sets in the assortment.
This is a retailer that assorts TVs ANNUALY!

By the way.... since this thread is supposedly about Toshiba DLP's... please do not let anyone interpret my remarks as negative to them. I actually think the Toshiba sets are some of the best out there. I just do not care for brand bashing.

Kdog, good info on the nomenclature for Toshiba sets.

i'm trying to decide between toshiba and samsung. one thing I really like about the samsung is the non-reflective screen. haven't been able to see the new toshiba sets, but do they have the same type of screen as the samsung? I hate those highly reflective screens...like the old mitsu's...

This is misinformed I hope you are not just spreading anti-Samsung noise.

Sears has JUST placed new R series Samsung sets in the assortment.
This is a retailer that assorts TVs ANNUALY!

By the way.... since this thread is supposedly about Toshiba DLP's... please do not let anyone interpret my remarks as negative to them. I actually think the Toshiba sets are some of the best out there. I just do not care for brand bashing.


You may be right. But i'll trust my sources rather than your rant, until i hear different, thank you:)

Oh, by the way - if you care to check out Sear's website you'll notice the Samsung 1080P models they had up are now GONE! - While they are starting to list the new 1080P Toshiba's, Sony SXRD's and Mitsubishi 1080P's which aren't even that available yet while the Samsung 1080P's have been out and about for over a month now. Strange that they should be taking down 1080P models rather than adding newly arrived models. And i know that you'll find this hard to believe, but they will also be listing the new JVC 1080P D-ILA's whenever they appear. Don't fret though, they will have warehoused Samsungs for sale for quite a while longer. If you like them and know how to bargain a little, you can negotiate a very sweet deal for yourself....

You may be right. But i'll trust my sources rather than your rant, until i hear different, thank you:)

Oh, by the way - if you care to check out Sear's website you'll notice the Samsung 1080P models they had up are now GONE! - While they are starting to list the new 1080P Toshiba's, Sony SXRD's and Mitsubishi 1080P's which aren't even that available yet while the Samsung 1080P's have been out and about for over a month now. Strange that they should be taking down 1080P models rather than adding newly arrived models. And i know that you'll find this hard to believe, but they will also be listing the new JVC 1080P D-ILA's whenever they appear. Don't fret though, they will have warehoused Samsungs for sale for quite a while longer. If you like them and know how to bargain a little, you can negotiate a very sweet deal for yourself....


First - sorry if you viewed my response as a rant.

I have never seen the Samsung 1080P sets on sears.com , or in Sears stores for that matter. (They do widely assort the 67 series 720P models) Are you certain that Sears carried them?

I find it very easy to believe that they will list the new JVC 1080P D-ILA's. They have carried JVC's in the past

Finally .... do you still think the Samsung HLR4667s are discontinued as you posted on 8/25?

First - sorry if you viewed my response as a rant.

I have never seen the Samsung 1080P sets on sears.com , or in Sears stores for that matter. (They do widely assort the 67 series 720P models) Are you certain that Sears carried them?

I find it very easy to believe that they will list the new JVC 1080P D-ILA's. They have carried JVC's in the past

Finally .... do you still think the Samsung HLR4667s are discontinued as you posted on 8/25?

I'm not sure. Still a lot of 4677's around and i've seen some delivered to warehouses in the past two weeks, but that may just be excess stock. They may no longer be producing them. It's hard to tell. Prices have dropped like a rock on them. They may be available under $1,500 soon the way prices have been trending, sure looks like the pattern of a discontinued model, but i'll have to wait a few more months to know for sure. Pricing has been dropping like a rock on all these Samsung 720P's. The 5067 is down to around the same price as the 4677 in many spots. These models just never caught on. they never really sold, and now with all the 1080P's coming, some retailers and etailers seem to be stuck with a lot of stock they want to dump to make room, so normal price trending on discontinued merchandise may not apply to the 4667 since dealers just couldn't push out these sets....

I'm curious, before the Samsung 1080P DLP's came out, their thread had 50+ pages (it's now around 318) of people talking about what they knew of the sets, their anticipation and so on. Why do the Samsung sets have this kind of loyalty whereas it seems like information on the Toshiba 1080P DLP's seems much harder to come by? I always thought the Toshiba 720P sets were good, so I can't understand why there's no buzz, seeing that they come out in a couple of weeks.

I'm curious, before the Samsung 1080P DLP's came out, their thread had 50+ pages (it's now around 318) of people talking about what they knew of the sets, their anticipation and so on. Why do the Samsung sets have this kind of loyalty whereas it seems like information on the Toshiba 1080P DLP's seems much harder to come by? I always thought the Toshiba 720P sets were good, so I can't understand why there's no buzz, seeing that they come out in a couple of weeks.

There is a large Pro-Samsung bias to these forums. Samsung and etailers who make a major portion of their livelyhood selling Samsung DLP's are sponsors here.

Also, many TI and Samsung employees and affiliates troll these forums. You will notice that if someone points out a flaw in a Samsung DLP, three people are immediately on that thread attacking that individual and/or defending, being an apologist for Samsung. You won't find this happening with any other brand...

Has anybody yet seen a Toshiba 1080P in person? I have read some preliminary reviews and the specs all indicating this may possibly be the best DLP to date. I want to order from B&H but am hestitent without seeing in person and/or hearing from someone who has. i reaaly enjoy the "crisp" image of my LCD, however I'm considering a change due to poor black performance. the specs of the new Toshiba 1080Ps indicate an excellent black level as well as overall PQ.

Anybody who can confirm or deny these claims???

Has anybody yet seen a Toshiba 1080P in person? I have read some preliminary reviews and the specs all indicating this may possibly be the best DLP to date. I want to order from B&H but am hestitent without seeing in person and/or hearing from someone who has. i reaaly enjoy the "crisp" image of my LCD, however I'm considering a change due to poor black performance. the specs of the new Toshiba 1080Ps indicate an excellent black level as well as overall PQ.

Anybody who can confirm or deny these claims???

The self-styled "King of the 1080P DLP's" is being unveiled starting tomorrow at CEDIA, we should have some reports and reviews filtering back next week so we'll be able to see if they live up to the advance hype. Still, nothing will replace how it looks to you when they become available in stores later this month....

There is a large Pro-Samsung bias to these forums. Samsung and etailers who make a major portion of their livelyhood selling Samsung DLP's are sponsors here.

Also, many TI and Samsung employees and affiliates troll these forums. You will notice that if someone points out a flaw in a Samsung DLP, three people are immediately on that thread attacking that individual and/or defending, being an apologist for Samsung. You won't find this happening with any other brand...
1. Actually, it happens with almost every brand. There have been threads in this forum criticising RCA reliability, and happy RCA owners have rushed to defend it. And if you check out the DVD Player, you will see numerous threads "discussing" which is the "best," Denon vs Pioneer Elite vs. Onkyo, etc, etc, with happy owners rushing to defend whichever one they bought. I'm sure it happends in all the forums.
2. I have never seen a single TI or Samsung employee "defend" Samsung in response to your posts, only happy customers, myself included. If you think otherwise, name them. Otherwise, stop accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a Samsung/TI troll (it just reduces your own credibility).
3. Most of us could care less whether any brand is "better" than Samsung. I am happy with 2-year-old Samsung, and when I am interested in buying another HDTV down the road, I will research it and buy whichever is best at that time, whether it's Samsung, Toshiba, or any other brand. What many of us object to is your endless Samsung bashing with nothing more than generalities from your "unnamed sources." I don't see anyone "defending" Samsung or any other brand when someone posts a specific, accurate problem with the set.

1. Actually, it happens with almost every brand. There have been threads in this forum criticising RCA reliability, and happy RCA owners have rushed to defend it. And if you check out the DVD Player, you will see numerous threads "discussing" which is the "best," Denon vs Pioneer Elite vs. Onkyo, etc, etc, with happy owners rushing to defend whichever one they bought. I'm sure it happends in all the forums.
2. I have never seen a single TI or Samsung employee "defend" Samsung in response to your posts, only happy customers, myself included. If you think otherwise, name them. Otherwise, stop accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a Samsung/TI troll (it just reduces your own credibility).
3. Most of us could care less whether any brand is "better" than Samsung. I am happy with 2-year-old Samsung, and when I am interested in buying another HDTV down the road, I will research it and buy whichever is best at that time, whether it's Samsung, Toshiba, or any other brand. What many of us object to is your endless Samsung bashing with nothing more than generalities from your "unnamed sources." I don't see anyone "defending" Samsung or any other brand when someone posts a specific, accurate problem with the set.

What you call "bashing", i call TELLING DA TRUTH:)

I think you're being quite unrealistic and naive to put it charitably if you think TI, Samsung & forum sponsors don't troll these threads. You don't have to be Hercule Poirot to figure this out. For instance, if you see someone bashing an anti-Samsung poster or going out of their way to defend Samsung on a lot of non-Samsung owner threads and then check back on their posting history and find that's over 90% of what they do.....
Or - you see someone continually defending Samsung or pooh-poohing naysayers
on many different threads - and notice they're in Texas (TI?), just to name two of many tipoffs. You're either not paying attention or not looking very hard. BTW, the initial numbers on reliability from Big Box dealers on the Samsung 1080P's has been abysmal. Although anyone in here could surmise that just by reading the postings - IF they're looking....

SO when 90% of a persons posts defends a manufacturer then that person has a vested interest in that manufacturer. That makes sense.
So what does it mean when 90% of a persons posts is bashing a certain manufacturer? That person must have a vested interest in a competitor and wants to discredit the competition.

SO when 90% of a persons posts defends a manufacturer then that person has a vested interest in that manufacturer. That makes sense.
So what does it mean when 90% of a persons posts is bashing a certain manufacturer? That person must have a vested interest in a competitor and wants to discredit the competition.

Possibly, sure. But i don't spend 90% of my time bashing anything, where there are at least a half dozen posters in here who do nothing but bash people making anti-Samsung posts or being Samsung apologists. Whether this person has a vested interest in Samsung or TI is a moot point. The real point is, once you've identified that person's modus operandi, their Pro-Samsung stance is proven to have little or no validity. I'll give you one short example: Person A says " boy, Samsung really sucks!, i've had my Samsung DLP for 2 days and the lipsync is just horrible. I can't take it. regardless of anything else, this is a deal-breaker for me. This set is going back. Lo and Behold, person B replies "Aww - that's not so bad. You can upgrade your receiver to one with a delay function or buy a Felston delay box and you'll be fine". I wouldn't have to be hit over the head to realize i should discount any opinion on Samsung DLP's from person B in the future. Anyone telling someone that they seriously think person A, who just spent 3K-4K on TV now should spend a couple of hundred more to compensate for a glaring defect in that set can't be taken seriously as having a valid, objective opinion. Very different from an opinion that might be construed as being helpful and objective such as: "Yes, that sucks. Terrible that you spent so much for this set and it has this problem. Don't blame you for dumping it, but if you really love everything else about it, and are willing to go for a few hundred dollars more to avoid the hassle of returning it and getting a different brand, there are workarounds available for this problem". That type of post is a horse of a different color....

There is a large Pro-Samsung bias to these forums. Samsung and etailers who make a major portion of their livelyhood selling Samsung DLP's are sponsors here.

Also, many TI and Samsung employees and affiliates troll these forums. You will notice that if someone points out a flaw in a Samsung DLP, three people are immediately on that thread attacking that individual and/or defending, being an apologist for Samsung. You won't find this happening with any other brand...

If this is true ( which is certainly possible), wouldn't other manufactures be doing the same thing? I am not pro Samsung or any other company, and I am actually leaning towards the Mitsubishi. In fact, I am looking to replace a Toshiba rpt. I also agree that if you are spending this kind of money, some of these issues should not exist. I should not have to buy another product, just so there are no lip sync issues. If this is a problem, they should incorporate something into the set to correct this. Emotion can certainly play a part in peoples opinions, once they own a certain brand.

Has anybody yet seen a Toshiba 1080P in person?

Yes, I saw the 56HM195 up close and personal today at Sears in the Pittsburgh area. It certainly was a very enjoyable 30 min. spent watching the Sears HD loop that of course is sent via component imput. Now all of you who are reading this must understand that I am not a "specs engineer" like all of you. I lurk at this AVS board daily, but seldom participate for I know so little compared to you.

That being said, I can now say that this Toshiba is a marvelous TV that pleased my eyes and is going to be purchased very soon. While watching the unit, I understand that it was just put out yesterday, and I am quite sure that it is right out of the box adjusted. And the input is not my Comcast HD via a HDMI.

But what I saw was rich colors that were very true. It did not have a cartoon effect that I have seen at BB. Also, the shadow areas were not globs of darkness like the huge Grand Wega next to it. Instead, these areas were full of detail. The Grand Wega was set at torch and at first appeared to have a sharper image, but as comparisons continued, this was a wrong impression. The Sony was nothing more than brighter. The real clarity was on the Toshiba display. In fact, after a while I stopped trying to make these comparisons, for the Sony was hurting my eyes, while the 195 was a joy to watch.

On the other side of the Toshiba, was a JVC DPL that was put to shame. Only a couple of glances showed it to be an inferior display to the Toshiba.

Sears $3199 for a 56" display is quite a deal compared to the original prices seen for the Samsung 5078 and the Mits 52627. All in all, I am done looking and hope to make myself a deal if possible. Hoping I can get a gift thrown in, an upconvert DVD player from my salesman. When I bought my Hitachi 43" CTR from Sears, the lady included a 5 year service contract free!!

JVC makes a lcos set not DLP.

JVC makes a lcos set not DLP.

I stand corrected. But vocabulary only goes so far before it fades into credits at the top of the screen.

My points of comparison remain the same regardless of the nomenclature, it was a far better picture. ;)

wstanko,

I am also looking inot these new 1080P Toshibas but have not had the luxury of actually viewing one. What can you say about the black level of this set? I know it is hard to judge black in a brightly lit store, but did you notice any improvements vs. the displays around it?

I am sorry to say that this is something that is very elusive. By that I mean that as your head swivels from side to side, it is difficult to actually say you saw something. I know there are those who somehow or other do see comparisons, but to be honest, it made me sick trying to watch multiple displays for a long period of time.

I can only repeat what I said previously, the darker shades were there with great detail. Was it dark enough for the reviewers? I do not know.

I greatly preferred the Toshiba to the Sony LCD for darkness, and the JVC looked pale by comparison. Those were the only two in the area that could be compared.

a heads-up to all you early adopters. sears has a sale on their web site for the 56hm195 this weekend. $160 off the regular price. that was quick! on sale already and most sears stores haven't even got them in yet. of course their not in stock anywhere and their site lists a 4-6 day wait for delivery. i bet a few football fans will be tempted! gee, i am a football nut too. hmmmmmmmmmmm................

...The Sony was nothing more than brighter. The real clarity was on the Toshiba display...

The only thing you have to be careful about when comparing sets that been on the floor for a while to a new set out of the box is that the new set will have a much punchier picture until the lamp settles in. If the Sony has been out for a while it could be washed out due to the bulb. I'm not saying this is the case. But I've seen last years Toshibas looking very washed out when I know they have a very punchy picture. You should compare your sets in a handful of stores before making a final decision if you want a good comparison.

Wstanko,

Did you end up buying this display? If so, I am eagerly waiting your full review. Haven't heard much out of CEDIA about this display so far.....

What a story! It was on sale this past Sat. at Sears, but not with 12 months SAC, and on Sunday they would give me 12 SAC but the sale was gone. Anyways, I found a lower price by several hundred dollars at a retailer nearby, and even the cart was cheaper by $50.

So I called the Sears "we will match it plus 10% of the difference" challenge and the manager of the department would not match the price. He said it had to verified and the other store would not give a price on the phone! They gave me a price on the phone. Could it be the Sears Caller ID that causes the problem? All of this transacted on the phone but the best is yet to come. My part time salesman was truly getting dumped on and I told him so. I also told him that although I will not be at the mall until Friday and he does not work again until Sat., all hell breaks loose when I talk to the Store Manager this Friday. I have printed out the match challenge that does not say anything more than "mention it to your salesman." This note from my mother does not fly.

So yes, I want the Toshiba, but I also want the lowest price, and 12 months SAC. Who out there wants screwed? Meanwhile the other store is bouncing off the wall calling to tell me that no one is beating their price.

So, Desert Heat, I do love the many features of the TV: the 2 HDMI inputs is needed, the Media input is really nice (I'm a photographer), the 56 in display is quite a bit more than Samsung and Mits (now I have a 43in CRT. Sure, some will call the picture inferior for some reason, but I can't see it so who cares? It looked special to me. The reports coming from a few members of AVS were mixed. Some said it was the best 1080p yet, but "I see rainbows, thumbs down."

Since I have never seen a rainbow on any DLP, this is of litlle concern to me.

wstanko, check your pm

The reports coming from a few members of AVS were mixed. Some said it was the best 1080p yet, but "I see rainbows, thumbs down."

Since I have never seen a rainbow on any DLP, this is of litlle concern to me.

I wouldn't be too concerned with what others opinions are. Get what looks good to your eyes, after all, this is your TV anyway. And for the rainbows, from what I've heard that most people won't see them. If you do, then it'd be an issue. I personally have had a DLP for about a 1-1/2 years and have never seen one. I've had at least 10 different people over and no one else has seen them either. Just buy from a place that has a 30day return policy that way you are safe if you see them. The Toshiba is on my list, however, I want to compare it to the Mits, JVC, and Sony before I commit to a purchase. What's funny is that last year I bought a Toshiba DLP and the price dropped $300 about 35 days after I bought the TV. I think I got the first 62" version in Cincinnati.

The Toshiba is on my list, however, I want to compare it to the Mits, JVC, and Sony before I commit to a purchase.

Please let us hear what you finally choose.

Hey all new poster here so be nice. I have been lurking for a while and reading up on the DLPs. I was all for Samsung (because of the hype, etc.) but then decided to check out the Toshiba thread and I think I’m sold. You all have done a very good job explaining yourselves and I have learned a lot. I have some friends in this business that can get me a really good deal on Toshibas and from reading other views here I think I will take the plunge. I would like some honest opinions and I can see people are really defensive trying to defend their 720p from the new onslaught of 1080p. I would too. So from reading that HP thread it’s now assumed or proved that the 1080p cannot up convert a 1080i signal and that it cuts the resolution in half? Am I correct on this? If so what is the point of getting a 1080p then if really is just a souped up 720p set?

Now I can get the following Toshiba DLP for these prices:

1.56HM195 for around $2400 (1080p)
2.52HM95 for around $1900 (HD3/4 chip model)
3.I’m also having them search their inventory for the 52HM94 model with the HD-2+ chip. Not sure what the price for this would be but I’m assuming cheaper than the 52HM95.

SO this splits up into three questions. Is it worth it to spend the extra $$$ on the 1080p? (And yes I could be getting a very good deal on this unit which could justify my choice.) Or if the 1080p hype is all B.S. then should I resort to the highly approved 720p models and then from there should I get the HM94 model w/ the HD-2+ chip versus the newer 95 with the HD4 chip?

Thanks all and I appreciate your help!!

Crutchfield now has the 56HM195 in stock.

Hey all new poster here so be nice. I have been lurking for a while and reading up on the DLPs. I was all for Samsung (because of the hype, etc.) but then decided to check out the Toshiba thread and I think I’m sold. You all have done a very good job explaining yourselves and I have learned a lot. I have some friends in this business that can get me a really good deal on Toshibas and from reading other views here I think I will take the plunge. I would like some honest opinions and I can see people are really defensive trying to defend their 720p from the new onslaught of 1080p. I would too. So from reading that HP thread it’s now assumed or proved that the 1080p cannot up convert a 1080i signal and that it cuts the resolution in half? Am I correct on this? If so what is the point of getting a 1080p then if really is just a souped up 720p set?

Now I can get the following Toshiba DLP for these prices:

1.56HM195 for around $2400 (1080p)
2.52HM95 for around $1900 (HD3/4 chip model)
3.I’m also having them search their inventory for the 52HM94 model with the HD-2+ chip. Not sure what the price for this would be but I’m assuming cheaper than the 52HM95.

SO this splits up into three questions. Is it worth it to spend the extra $$$ on the 1080p? (And yes I could be getting a very good deal on this unit which could justify my choice.) Or if the 1080p hype is all B.S. then should I resort to the highly approved 720p models and then from there should I get the HM94 model w/ the HD-2+ chip versus the newer 95 with the HD4 chip?

Thanks all and I appreciate your help!!


Can anyone help me out on my questions? Thanks!

Can anyone help me out on my questions? Thanks!

This answer may seem too simple, but..... you need to actually spend some time looking at the picture on these units, and decide based upon YOUR perception of the picture quality.

To expand a bit on 1080P, the difference is subtle to most people. But, the advantages are not only the improved vertical resolution of 1080P vs. 720P, but also higher contrast ratio and improved horizontal resolution (1920 vs 1280).

(Some may argue about the "wobulated" 1920 not being a "true" 1920 pixels, but that is mostly nonsense IMHO. )

I recently talked with Steve Panosian from Samsung, and his opinion was that a lot of the perception of crisper picture was attributable to the improved horizontal resolution, not only the 1080P vertical resolution component. I agree.

Regarding the differences with the older vs. Newer Toshiba's, look at both and judge for yourself. Having said that, I'd lean toward the newer set just based on the fact that there is continuous improvement in these products in general.

So has anyone actually seen one of the new 1080p Toshiba's on display yet? I thought they were to debut yesterday.

I played with a 56HM195 at Sears today. I thought it was very nice although Sears display area sucks. I'm putting the 56MX195 at the top of my shopping list.

Found the 56HM195 on display in my local Sears also. Unfortunately, this Sears has a crappy display area and marginal feeds. So my observations are only preliminary. But they did have it next to a 720p Samsung and near a 1080p Mitsubishi, so some comparison was possible. They had all three sets connected via component input and showing a satellite feed.

Doing the best I could with the feed, I thought the picture on the Mitsubishi looked best. The Toshiba picture adjustment menu options are much more limited than those on the 1080p Samsungs I have played with in other stores. I was unable to get the picture looking like that on the Mitsubishi; I just couldn't get the colors looking as natural given the available adjustments. The contrast was on-par with the Mitsubishi, and better than 720p Samsung (as one would expect). With Sears' non-HD feed, all three sets looks pretty bad, but I attribute this to the feed. I've seen the Samsung and Mitsubishi look acceptable with standard-def feeds in other stores. I did like the Toshiba remote better than the Samsung one. And by comparing with other nearby sets, I could also see a bit of video lag when scenes changed. Scenes changed a split second before the Toshiba did, but it wasn't much. I found it easier to see the lag on the 1080p Samsungs in other stores. So while it looks like there is some video lag with the Toshiba, I think it is less than the new Samsungs.

I hope to see the Toshiba in another store under better viewing conditions, but so far, I don't see what all the hoopla from CEDIA was about. At the moment, Im still leaning toward the Samsung.

I only got to spend 5 minutes looking at the 56hm195. I plan to go over the 56mx195 with a fine tooth comb when it comes into the shop...

When is Toshiba going to get off their ass and post something to their website? The sets are shipping for heavens sake.

Does anyone know if the new Toshiba sets do 3:2 pull down. I can't tell from the specs at the various dealers on the internet. I guess they may be calling it something else. Difficult to tell.

Thanks

If anyone has one of the new 1080p sets (xxHM195) could they please evaluate the lower gray levels for apparent noise. The 52HM95 has some very severe flaws here, which seems to be related to the circuitry rather than the chip used. Since the defect in the lower gray areas transfers into colored regions, it appears as noise (snow) in darker objects and backgrounds: not evident in the lighter colors. If you own an HM95, this is likely something to be concerned about.

For those that have their sets hooked up to a PC, here is some free evaluation software that can assist in detecting this issue :

TechPCvg 0.98b (http://www.download.com/TechPCvg/3000-2194-10322844.html?part=dl-TechPCvg&subj=dl&tag=button)

...Now I can get the following Toshiba DLP for these prices:

1.56HM195 for around $2400 (1080p)
2.52HM95 for around $1900 (HD3/4 chip model)
3.I’m also having them search their inventory for the 52HM94 model with the HD-2+ chip. Not sure what the price for this would be but I’m assuming cheaper than the 52HM95.

SO this splits up into three questions. Is it worth it to spend the extra $$$ on the 1080p? (And yes I could be getting a very good deal on this unit which could justify my choice.) Or if the 1080p hype is all B.S. then should I resort to the highly approved 720p models and then from there should I get the HM94 model w/ the HD-2+ chip versus the newer 95 with the HD4 chip?

Thanks all and I appreciate your help!!

You need to look for yourself and see the difference. Not sure if I'd want to do the 52HM84 though (with the HD2+ chip). I owned the 62HM84 for about 3 months. It had ghosting on the HDMI input and I had it replaced and it had the same issue. Tried several stores and it had the same issue there. Also, SD looked awful on the set. The Mits 62725 SD looks much better, and in fact looks much better in about every category EXCEPT for contrast. To me, that is huge. The picture on the Mits is just too dim, which is why I am looking to upgrade. I miss the contrast on the Toshiba.

Well, the HM56195 was delivered yesterday and it is almost everything I hoped for. The unit is connected to a Comcast 6412 DVR and uses a Monoprice DVI to HDMI 24 gauge cord. My Samsung 850 arrives today so there is no input on DVD's. It sits on the Toshiba 56 inch stand that is particularly well made and very sturdy.

The Picture

I had things already viewed on the hard drive so that some type of comparison could be drawn. There were clips of the 2 games from Monday night football on ABC and EPSN. Those two games were very good HD games on my Hitachi 43 inch CRT, but wow, this was a demo on the HM56195. I saw detail that was none existent on the other. The sharpness on the set was set at 100% on arrival and that is one of the few quick changes that I made, reducing it to 25%. (More later) The colors were jumping off the screen and no, I never saw a rainbow, and no, I see no evidence of motion blur during the action. All sound on every program watched last night was in perfect sync.

While watching recorded versions of CSI Miami and Wanted, I observed all the pure blacks I will ever need. If it is better somewhere else, I'll not know for what am I comparing to?

SD TV

Now that is one major step down. That is why the sharpness had to be turned down along with the factory 100% contrast (I still am not sure where I will leave that until I run my setup DVD disk for ideas). The digital channels vary from decent to quite good. The analogs are sucky. Unfortunately, we like the Food Channel and also the Travel that are under 100. Hopefully, the FC goes HD next year. But hey, they weren't good on the other set either, so did I really expect to enlarge it more and make it better? It is not that bad to even complain about. Besides in Pittsburgh we get all locals on HD and so even when they are not in HD, they are digital.

The Fan

This is the only negative I can name at this time. It never stops even when the set is off. Since I have the set set to Quick Start, it is forever ready to come on and so the fan is running. Once the set is turned on, the fan will get louder as heat needs to be removed. I have the lamp set to low, as the manual says this will extend bulb life. (I just turned up the brightness on the set to compensate). I have one of those Radio Shack meters and tried measuring the sound of the fan this morning with the set off. I held it next to the exhaust grid and was not able to get any reading at all since the meter does not register below 50 decibels. I will try this again tonight when the set is on and see how loud it actually is. At Sears I never heard a sound, but that was not my family room either. I will measure theirs to make sure mine is not defective.

My wife says I am rediculous, for she never heard the fan while watching TV. I sit a 10 feet while she is more like 17. True, at the sofa position it is much harder to hear, but I have an ear turned to it and she does not. :cool:

Could anyone that has a chance to view the 56HM195 on its matching stand please measure the total height of the TV and the (matching) stand. Thanks.

The total height on the stand is 54 and 3/4 inches.

Well, the HM56195 was delivered yesterday and it is almost everything I hoped for. The unit is connected to a Comcast 6412 DVR and uses a Monoprice DVI to HDMI 24 gauge cord. My Samsung 850 arrives today so there is no input on DVD's. It sits on the Toshiba 56 inch stand that is particularly well made and very sturdy.

My wife says I am rediculous, for she never heard the fan while watching TV. I sit a 10 feet while she is more like 17. True, at the sofa position it is much harder to hear, but I have an ear turned to it and she does not. :cool:


May I ask where you purchased your set and a price range? I’m looking at this one as well and I should be able to get a good deal on it. I’m just internally debating if it’s worth the extra $$$ for the “1080P.” Also you said you are sitting about 10 feet from the dlp, is that enough viewing space? I think my set up is around 10’ as well and just want to make sure if I have enough room to maximize a 56”

Please let us hear what you finally choose.

I will. I have a feeling that I may go with the Mitsubishi if the brightness/contrast is on par with the rest of the sets. A 60" set is the largest available for the Sony SXRD plus it has side speakers and is about the price of a 70" version so there are a number of strikes against it before i see it. If the detail on the Toshiba and the Mits are as same as the 720p versions, I'll definitely prefer the Mitsubishi. The JVC black levels will have to be up to par with the DLPs to win me over. And HH Gregg will give good deals on the sets mentioned above and they do not carry the Samsung so the Sammy is out for me. I still have not seen one 1080p set in my area yet, but hopefully I will soon. I want a 70" version but will only pay the $1000 premium if the picture quality is equal to the 62" versions. I still want to take a look at all the sets and choose the best on for me and haven't ruled any of them out yet since I haven't seen any of them yet.

And I must comment on the fan issues. I still do not understand all the complaints people have about the fans. If your fan really is faulty, that's one issue. BUT, My Xbox fan overrides the TV, and my PC fan is 3 times as loud. However, since I used a surround sound system and turn up the volume I never hear any of the fans except for the PC fan which I really don't even notice it that much. Are a lot of people using the tv speakers, watching the TV at low volumes? Seems awful weird hearing all the complaints about the fans.

Wstanko, your comment regarding the black level of this set "I observed all the pure blacks I will ever need". Is this also true in lights out movie viewing?? I have zero experience with DLP monitors and want to make sure my next set is as close to CRT black level as possible without loss in overall brightness or detail. The new 1080P Sony appears to boast this claim however I don't feel it has been substantially verified on this site. If you have time and don't mind could you possibly compare the black level to your Hitachi CRT and see how close the Toshiba comes to the Hitachi? Preferably in total lights out viewing setting. Thanks for the feedback! I am narrowing down between this Toshiba and the new Sony. Different technologies, however It sounds like they are both excellent choices.

My Samsung 850 arrived yesterday and in the afternoon I ran my setup DVD that had come with my old Hitachi CRT. What a surprise. In every single category of the video setup, contrast, brightness, color, sharpness, the disk was useless. Each time it asked you to perform a setting it first showed what possible changes would occur. Example: during the sharpness demo a line would bend when you went to an extreme, during a contrast demo a square would bloom.

Well, when I went to make the adjustments, no matter if I went from 1 to 100 percent nothing ever happened. :confused: I guess the DLP does not have the same characteristics as the CRT? I would go out and buy a new and better disk, except that I found setting the Toshiba to "factory reset" gave me a terrific picture. So I am done with that task. No, I am not going to do an ISF calibration for $400. Done and it looks great.

As far as last nights viewing was concerned, House just took my breath away with the great detail in the shadows. I thought I was there. After watching, So You Thing You Can Dance, (saw a band-aid on Melody's forehead at 15 paces, what clairity and it is an upconvert), I spotchecked CSI for 5 minutes. Wow, the crisp shadow detail tells me this weekends DVD will be special.

Any display can definitely benefit from an ISF calibration. It will give you correct grayscale and color balance.

Any display can definitely benefit from an ISF calibration. It will give you correct grayscale and color balance.

I just had my RPT calibrated a couple of weeks ago and at first did not like it as it seemed to dark but now I love it I can't believe I waited this long to do it (4years) what a dummy I was.

Hello, I sent an email to the website folks at Toshiba and requested the specs for the 56mx195. I have attached the .pdf (if it works). :D

Has anyone seen either the Toshiba 56MX195 or JVC HD56FH96? These, based upon various threads, are my short list. Any opinions (yes, I know my eye is the only one that matters but I'm an addict and can't wait:)) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Has anyone seen either the Toshiba 56MX195 or JVC HD56FH96? These, based upon various threads, are my short list. Any opinions (yes, I know my eye is the only one that matters but I'm an addict and can't wait:)) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

The 56mx195 isn't on any of the show rooms in the Dallas area yet. At least not that I can tell. If you want to see it, go see the 56hm195 at Sears. From what I can tell, the PC and Ethernet connections are the only difference.

Has anyone seen either the Toshiba 56MX195 or JVC HD56FH96? These, based upon various threads, are my short list. Any opinions (yes, I know my eye is the only one that matters but I'm an addict and can't wait:)) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


We're still waiting for these as are a bunch of people now. bummer.

I hear they look good the shows

For your information...

www.toshiba.ca also has the owner's manual (not on the US site).

From toshiba.ca it seems like they won't be offering 56MX195 the cinema series at 56", only the 62" and 72" come in MX versions.

This will be the second time Toshiba Canada is doing something ridiculous after launching the HM/HMX 85 series in Canada minus all the PC/Media/Ethernet/Memory Card/Cable Card features available on the US version.

I want the 56MX195, but it seems like Toshiba Canada only offers 58HM195, which is bad for me, because the next step up, 62MX195 is about another $1000 more!

Has anyone seen either the Toshiba 56MX195 or JVC HD56FH96? These, based upon various threads, are my short list. Any opinions (yes, I know my eye is the only one that matters but I'm an addict and can't wait:)) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Here in Orlando, a couple of You-Know-Who have just gotten some 56HM195's in stock -- but none are out on display yet. :mad:

-bruce
HD newbie

I noticed the owner's manual disappeared from the Toshiba site...

Here it is: http://pages.videotron.com/dtv/566272MX195.pdf

why did it disappear? because they decided not to offer the 56MX195 in Canada and the pdf was a mistake? I wanted the 56" model because it is the smallest screen size in 1080p but it seems like Toshiba Canada is "forcing" us the Canadians who want all the latest interfaces/features to go up to the 62" screen size which I can't afford.

The .pdf appears to be a 1st draft version as marked on the front page. The specs at the end are incomplete. The PC connection specs and supported resolutions also appear incomplete.

why did it disappear? because they decided not to offer the 56MX195 in Canada and the pdf was a mistake? I wanted the 56" model because it is the smallest screen size in 1080p but it seems like Toshiba Canada is "forcing" us the Canadians who want all the latest interfaces/features to go up to the 62" screen size which I can't afford.


You will be shocked at what you might be able to afford. I just ordered the 72mx195 at a price that is below what you think you might pay for a smaller set.

You will be shocked at what you might be able to afford. I just ordered the 72mx195 at a price that is below what you think you might pay for a smaller set. If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is... Take care, there are a lot of unscrupulous folks out there, particularly on the internet.

If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is... Take care, there are a lot of unscrupulous folks out there, particularly on the internet.

Thanks, but ordered from a local B&M not on the net. Also, I was told there is a good chance that it will come in all black not like the picture which is the same for the mx195 & hm195. Does anyone know more about this????

Not much going on here. I thought Toshiba made some solid products, and thought there may be more consumer reviews being posted here. I am looking forward to checking out one of these sets, but haven't had any luck finding one displayed in my area. Please continue to post your findings and thoughts.

On page 22 of the manual states that "The HDMI input is designed for best performance with 720P signals but will also accept and display 1080I, 480I, and 480P signals"

I Wonder about what this is implying??? ...

and in the PC input section (page 29) it says that it accepts only XGA: 1024x768 inputs. Again I thought it would accept 1080P via the vga connector?

Am I missing something???

Gary

I think only the 927 series can do 1080p, but costs a couple k more. . .
[edit] Sorry, the 927 is the Mits, and this is the Tosh thread. I too wonder re the VGA input limitations, though.

I hope someone can help me. First, what are the differences between the 56mx195 and the 56hm195 and do they have more than one hdmi input? And has anyone compared the PQ to the Samsungs. Any info would be helpful since I'm just about to buy one of these. Thank you

I hope someone can help me. First, what are the differences between the 56mx195 and the 56hm195 and do they have more than one hdmi input? And has anyone compared the PQ to the Samsungs. Any info would be helpful since I'm just about to buy one of these. Thank you

The 56mx195 has a VGA connection, ethernet jack and some networking code, and it has two HDMI ports. See http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/product.asp?model=56mx195 for features and downloadable .pdf specs.

The 56mx195 isn't on the street yet (from what I can tell) so there aren't many comparisons yet.

Unfortunately my computer comes up with errors when I try and read the specs. Does the HM model have 2 hdmi input also?

Unfortunately my computer comes up with errors when I try and read the specs. Does the HM model have 2 hdmi input also?

Yes.

I noticed the specs show the 72 has a PC input, anyone know if that can do 1080p?

On page 22 of the manual states that "The HDMI input is designed for best performance with 720P signals but will also accept and display 1080I, 480I, and 480P signals"

I Wonder about what this is implying??? ...

and in the PC input section (page 29) it says that it accepts only XGA: 1024x768 inputs. Again I thought it would accept 1080P via the vga connector?

Am I missing something???

Gary
Remember that the vast majority of consumers are not going to even know what a VGA connection is let alone how to use it - neither will they bother with HTPC. HTPC Videophiles will certainly take their viewing experience to another level or at least try to - but again consumers buying this won't bother.

720P and 1080i is HD which is where this set should shine - it will display 1080P but true 1080P is considered ultra HD and virtually non-existent presently outside some HTPC folks.

Even most of the gaming systems will be developed in HD but likely to be few in true 1080P as the market for such a display is small presently as 99+% they'll be selling those to will not have a 1080P set. Estimates have been made that it could cost over $25 million dollars or more to create a new Video Game on these new players and amounts to a huge gamble unless you have a winner like Halo and GTA already.

I just bought HD Cables for my Xbox and upped the standard to it's max and a definite improvement in clarity and smoothness and so I cannot wait until X360 and PS3 to see it in 720P and 1080i. I presently view my HD on a Sharp LCD FP and it's knock your socks off beautiful and my HT Set will be 1080P but I would not complain about 720P or 1080i as they are next to perfect on my set and can't wait to take that to a larger set. The SXRD thread has a new owner that's trying to get it to do 1080P from his PC and still experimenting.

So far I'm only aware of one 1080P HDMI that does 1080P - the HP model but it's pretty ugly.

This new Toshiba is real a nice looker but it would be nice to see one in person soon. :D

On page 22 of the manual states that "The HDMI input is designed for best performance with 720P signals but will also accept and display 1080I, 480I, and 480P signals"

I Wonder about what this is implying??? ...

and in the PC input section (page 29) it says that it accepts only XGA: 1024x768 inputs. Again I thought it would accept 1080P via the vga connector?

Am I missing something???

Gary

What manual are you looking at? The .pdf file previously postd in this thread was a first draft and was probably based on a 720p set. Don't make a decision based on that. Wait for some facts.

I'm having my 62MX195 delivered Saturday. I post my impressions once everything is setup.

I'm having my 62MX195 delivered Saturday. I post my impressions once everything is setup.
Where did you find your set? I really like the look of this set but of course cannot find a place to actually view it. :)

Dumb question,

So if what I'm watching is 720P like ESPN or XBOX 360, these TV's will display 1080P???

I'm having my 62MX195 delivered Saturday. I post my impressions once everything is setup.


Where did you got yours? Did you see it in person before placing the order? I placed my order thru Ultimate way back in Aug and the latest update I got is 2nd week of Oct.

Can't wait for the review.

Dumb question,

So if what I'm watching is 720P like ESPN or XBOX 360, these TV's will display 1080P??? Yes. For these sets, all inputs are scaled/de-interlaced to the native screen resolution of 1920 x 1080 pixels, which is commonly referred to as 1080p.

Where did you got yours? Did you see it in person before placing the order? I placed my order thru Ultimate way back in Aug and the latest update I got is 2nd week of Oct.

Can't wait for the review.

I actually never saw the TV in person and took a 'leap of faith' by pre-ordering it from ABT Electronics (http://www.**************.com/product/20109.html). I live near them, so I went there to pre-order, I didn't do it over the net. Apparently, I cannot post the entire link, but fill in the '***' with 'ABT Electronics' (no space between words) and it should take you to the site.

I've never owned a Toshiba TV before, but heard they are good quality. Last year, I had issues with two DLP TV's (Samsung's HLP6163 which was returned for a Mitsubishi 62725 which was also returned), so I'm a little wary, but am hoping I'll be pleasantly surprised. I didn't want to pre-order anything based on my experiences last year, but anticipation got the best of me, plus I got a great deal.

I have my fingers crossed that this will be everything I hoped for in a DLP TV, but I'll let everyone know.

I actually never saw the TV in person and took a 'leap of faith' by pre-ordering it from ABT Electronics (http://www.**************.com/product/20109.html). I live near them, so I went there to pre-order, I didn't do it over the net. Apparently, I cannot post the entire link, but fill in the '***' with 'ABT Electronics' (no space between words) and it should take you to the site.

I've never owned a Toshiba TV before, but heard they are good quality. Last year, I had issues with two DLP TV's (Samsung's HLP6163 which was returned for a Mitsubishi 62725 which was also returned), so I'm a little wary, but am hoping I'll be pleasantly surprised. I didn't want to pre-order anything based on my experiences last year, but anticipation got the best of me, plus I got a great deal.

I have my fingers crossed that this will be everything I hoped for in a DLP TV, but I'll let everyone know.Was ABT willing to come down from MSRP.

What's the main difference between the MX and HM besides a $1000???

I've found the 62 HM for about 2700 and the 72 for 3800

Sorry if this has been asked before I quickly looked through this whole thread

Big Bang Electronics in Nebraska has a special on these. Can't link or state price though. To see the difference in the Models go to Crutchfield where they have a ton of info on them but of course they list them at MSRP - par for the course for Crutch but they are great for doing research.

"For $300 more, the Toshiba 62MX195 (versus the HM) has a high-gloss black bezel to give images extra pop, plus

• standard PC input
• Ethernet jack for accessing MP3s and digital photos from a PC
• custom color adjustment "

To me this TV gives a look like a thin bezel plasma sitting atop the speakers - I like it but gotta see in person to see if it delivers the goods on screen Sony SXRD should have followed this model design.
:D

Was ABT willing to come down from MSRP.

Without giving proces, I can just say that I paid considerably less than the MSRP.

I'm having my 62MX195 delivered Saturday. I post my impressions once everything is setup.

Very interested in hearing your impressions. These sets were thought to be the year's best DLP's at Cedia by many who saw them...

To me this TV gives a look like a thin bezel plasma sitting atop the speakers - I like it but gotta see in person to see if it delivers the goods on screen Sony SXRD should have followed this model design.
:DThat is another difference between the MX and the HM, speakers on the bottom of the set as opposed to the sides. :cool:

What's the main difference between the MX and HM besides a $1000???

I've found the 62 HM for about 2700 and the 72 for 3800

Sorry if this has been asked before I quickly looked through this whole thread Besides the differences already mentioned the HM is a 720p display and the MX is a 1080p display.

That is another difference between the MX and the HM, speakers on the bottom of the set as opposed to the sides. :cool:


I don't think this is necessarily the case. I saw the 56HM195 at Sears yesterday and it had the speakers below the screen.

Besides the differences already mentioned the HM is a 720p display and the MX is a 1080p display.

I should have been more specific the 62HM195 is 1080P I've seen it for about $2,600, and the 62MX195 is about $3,500.

I want to know if the differences in the 2 are worth almsot a $1000

I should have been more specific the 62HM195 is 1080P I've seen it for about $2,600, and the 62MX195 is about $3,500.

I want to know if the differences in the 2 are worth almsot a $1000My bad, I thought you were referring to the 62HM95. I forgot that Toshiba released the 1080p that isn't a Cinema Series. :o I think the price difference is what threw me off. According to Toshiba's web site there is only a $300 difference between the HM195 and MX195 sets. I think you would be hard pressed to find the 62HM195 for $2600. Crutchfield lists the two TV's and they are also $300 difference in price.

So is it 'confirmed" that the MX has a pc input for 1080p? I noticed on the Vann's website it only says "15 pin VGA input". . . ?

So is it 'confirmed" that the MX has a pc input for 1080p? I noticed on the Vann's website it only says "15 pin VGA input". . . ?

Yep, you can get the specs now at http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/cinemaseries.asp. I was at Fry's today and they had the 61HM195. I saw some screen door effect on that set,

How can you see the screen door effect on a 1080p DLP?

Well, maybe you call it something different, but I definitely saw some bad screen effects. They were square and looked more like a waffle pattern. It was pretty disappointing. It could have been the connection. The program was a football game that had been previously recorded and they were displaying it across all of the sets in the showroom.

It's only the second Toshiba hm195 series set I've seen. Since I'm still looking for the mx195's, I didn't spend more than about 5 minutes watching since it was on an endcap in the bright lights and I wanted to spend some tme looking at the Samsungs and Mits.

I sent email to toshiba and they said the mx195 are shipping. Anyone seen one? Where?

It's only the second Toshiba hm195 series set I've seen. Since I'm still looking for the mx195's, I didn't spend more than about 5 minutes watching since it was on an endcap in the bright lights and I wanted to spend some tme looking at the Samsungs and Mits.

Well, how did the Mits and Sammies look?

UE in Thornton, CO was setting up this set today. I didn't get a chance to look at it since they only had it on boxed and I had to leave. Will go back and check it out.

Well, maybe you call it something different, but I definitely saw some bad screen effects. They were square and looked more like a waffle pattern. It was pretty disappointing. It could have been the connection. The program was a football game that had been previously recorded and they were displaying it across all of the sets in the showroom.

It's only the second Toshiba hm195 series set I've seen. Since I'm still looking for the mx195's, I didn't spend more than about 5 minutes watching since it was on an endcap in the bright lights and I wanted to spend some tme looking at the Samsungs and Mits.

I sent email to toshiba and they said the mx195 are shipping. Anyone seen one? Where?

Last I checked all 1080p DLPs have a diamond pattern of pixels rather than a screen door pattern, so screen door in the traditional sense is impossible to see on a wobulated 1080p. At least I believe. A bad source is more possible for what you saw.

Well, how did the Mits and Sammies look?

Awesome as usual. I spent about 45 minutes on Thursday in BestBuy/Magnolia looking at the 52/62" Mits and the 61 Samsung 1080p sets.

I spent almost an hour in Fry's Friday looking at the 52/62" Mits and the 50, 56, and 61" Sumsung 1080p and 720p sets.

At BestBuy, the Sammys displayed the clayface effect. The clayface effect doesn't really bother me and is certainly less noticeable as seating distance increases. They were showing "Dances With Wolves". The Mits looked more realistic and had better detail. I didn't adjust any settings on the 61 Sammy. I did however change some of the settings on the Mits and improved it.

At Fry's, I spent a lot of time walking through the menu settings for both the mits and sammy. On the 52" mits and the 61" sammy, the makers had attached firewire drives and were displaying demo 1080p content. The content was colorful and looked great but it wasn't a football game, xbox game, etc. I also looked more closely at how PIP/POP is handled on the sets. I prefer the Samsung methods but have yet to see my scenario in action (HTPC and STB or OTA).

My eyes like the mits better. I like the Sammy floating bezel design. I like the Sammy menus. I like the VGA port on the Sammy. I love the look of the Toshiba. The tosh menus remind me of some old DOS menu programs, but them seem to get the job done well enough. The Mits seems to offer a bit more control on screen settings.

I'm looking at much smaller sets than the 71-73 size you want. I would imagine there will be some differences other than price.

One question I have about the new Toshiba 1080p's is why are they so much cheaper than other manufacturer's similar products? You can get the 62" model for considerably less than a 50" Sammy or 52" Mits. This makes me a little apprehensive about wanting to purchase one of these sets. To me, the considerably cheaper price means cheaper build quality which leads to an inferior product. Am I right in assuming this?

One question I have about the new Toshiba 1080p's is why are they so much cheaper than other manufacturer's similar products? You can get the 62" model for considerably less than a 50" Sammy or 52" Mits. This makes me a little apprehensive about wanting to purchase one of these sets. To me, the considerably cheaper price means cheaper build quality which leads to an inferior product. Am I right in assuming this?Good question...Now that you made me aware of this...it is something to consider. :confused:

I have a question on the older models vs the new 1080p models. I have been considering buying model 52HM84 from Costco for $1700 plus shipping but didn't know if I should just bite the bullet and look at investing in one of the new models probably 56HM195. I haven't seen the newer version in the store yet and could use some help.

I have a question on the older models vs the new 1080p models. I have been considering buying model 52HM84 from Costco for $1700 plus shipping but didn't know if I should just bite the bullet and look at investing in one of the new models probably 56HM195. I haven't seen the newer version in the store yet and could use some help.

The 56HM195's can probably seen be seen at your local Sears store.

I think you would be hard pressed to find the 62HM195 for $2600.


I know of at least two sites that list this set right around that area.

One question I have about the new Toshiba 1080p's is why are they so much cheaper than other manufacturer's similar products? You can get the 62" model for considerably less than a 50" Sammy or 52" Mits. This makes me a little apprehensive about wanting to purchase one of these sets. To me, the considerably cheaper price means cheaper build quality which leads to an inferior product. Am I right in assuming this?

I bet you use Monster cords for their higher quality (price). :rolleyes:

One question I have about the new Toshiba 1080p's is why are they so much cheaper than other manufacturer's similar products? You can get the 62" model for considerably less than a 50" Sammy or 52" Mits. This makes me a little apprehensive about wanting to purchase one of these sets. To me, the considerably cheaper price means cheaper build quality which leads to an inferior product. Am I right in assuming this?

Assuming quality and longevity are equal to the competition, lower price means better ROI. Since the models in question have only been out a few weeks, you can't compare quality as it relates to reliability, longevity, etc.

I wouldn't discard Toshiba because of low price.

For the last 25 years, my family and friends rely on my advices (which may be foolish, or not) to buy electronics.

I always recommended Sony, Panasonic, Pionneer, Toshiba because of good price/quality. There are others out there but more expensive.

I have to say I have never heard from them of a Toshiba failing (neither a Panasonic). I do not recommend Sony and Pionneer anymore. I believe thay are good products but the quality assurance is simply not there: had problems right out of the box, and then some.

All this to say, Toshiba is not a cheap brand, it is reliable, and if you open the case of any equipment, you'll see how much care is taken in design and assembly.

How is Toshiba with service...are they as good as Samsung?

Yesterday I bought a Toshiba 62HM15 from Costco. My previous tv (42" AKAI RPTV) was also from Costco - it died, so I used the credit from returning it for the new Toshiba. They had 3 62" DLP 720p tv's to choose from. I decided on the Toshiba (even though it was the most expensive of the 3) mainly because it had 2 HDMI inputs. Perfect for my current cable box and an HD DVD player next year - that way I won't need an HDMI switching receiver.

I brought the tv home, plugged it in, everything is good. Put the stand together, and this morning my wife and I set the tv on the stand. I took a closer look at the back of the tv and I only see 1 HDMI input! I check the manual, and sure enough, there's only supposed to be one HDMI. So what are they displaying at Costco? I didn't check the model number on the back of the display unit - I just assumed it was the same model as what's in the box I'm buying, but that's clearly not the case.

Can anyone clear this up before I go raise hell at Costco tomorrow?

One question I have about the new Toshiba 1080p's is why are they so much cheaper than other manufacturer's similar products? You can get the 62" model for considerably less than a 50" Sammy or 52" Mits. This makes me a little apprehensive about wanting to purchase one of these sets. To me, the considerably cheaper price means cheaper build quality which leads to an inferior product. Am I right in assuming this?


Samsung DLP's are way below the rest when it comes to quality or reliability, Dude. I think if you check around on price search engines, you'll find comparable pricing for all major brands of DLP's.

Samsung DLP's are way below the rest when it comes to quality or reliability, Dude. I think if you check around on price search engines, you'll find comparable pricing for all major brands of DLP's.


Ahhh! The troll is back. Please do not feed the troll DUDES! :D

Well sense 9/30/2005 we have been watching our Toshiba 62MX195. Yes a brand new 62MX195. Bought it locally in town for $3529.95 not including tax, with a little dealing. There sale was $3599.95, their inventory showed 3; don’t know if that included the one on the floor.

It was sitting between a Mits and Samsung 720p DLP and it made those two look blurry. All were on component from the same satellite feed. I checked the Mits and Samsung to see if the video settings were cranked down to make the 62MX195 look great, they weren’t.

They have the Mits 1080p there and of course it wasn’t connected to the same feed as all there other TV’s. It’s on its own feed just to show off its 1080p input. The sale person said they weren’t allowed to change the Mits input to the same feed as the rest.

Funny maybe Mits is afraid that it will look just like the rest of the 1080p’s and they can’t make their big profit. Right now it’s blowing the wife and I away with just OTA antenna feed. :D

Yesterday I bought a Toshiba 62HM15 from Costco. My previous tv (42" AKAI RPTV) was also from Costco - it died, so I used the credit from returning it for the new Toshiba. They had 3 62" DLP 720p tv's to choose from. I decided on the Toshiba (even though it was the most expensive of the 3) mainly because it had 2 HDMI inputs. Perfect for my current cable box and an HD DVD player next year - that way I won't need an HDMI switching receiver.

I brought the tv home, plugged it in, everything is good. Put the stand together, and this morning my wife and I set the tv on the stand. I took a closer look at the back of the tv and I only see 1 HDMI input! I check the manual, and sure enough, there's only supposed to be one HDMI. So what are they displaying at Costco? I didn't check the model number on the back of the display unit - I just assumed it was the same model as what's in the box I'm buying, but that's clearly not the case.

Can anyone clear this up before I go raise hell at Costco tomorrow?

The model you bought (62HM15) is a 720p display and has only one HDMI input. The 62HM195 is a 1080p display and that set has 2 HDMI inputs. You may have gotten the two models confused since there is just one number separating the two. From what I'm seeing, only 1080p sets have 2 HDMI inputs.

I bet you use Monster cords for their higher quality (price). :rolleyes:

Never bought a Monster product in my life, and never will.

So, I got my 62MX195 delivered Saturday. I hooked up my hi-def cable box via HDMI and my DVD & X-Box via component cables. The picture looks incredible. I know some people don't like the way DLP's and high-def TV's in general for the way they show standard broadcasts, but I think this does a decent job. There is no, I repeat NO lip sync issues that I could detect with this TV, no matter which source I was watching (cable, dvd, x-box). I played Madden 2005 (I know, I need to get '06) and had no delay what so ever.

The only thing that I thought this TV had that it doesn't is the ability to regulate the individual colors for the picture(red,green,blue,etc.), instead of just using tint and color to achieve results. One feature of the TV that I actually turned off was the Dynamic Contrast. What this is suppose to do is analyze the picture and automatically adjust the contrast accordingly. It does do this and it does work, but I found that it darked some scenes up a bit much and I didn't like it. I'm still getting used to the features. Since I'm using a cable box, I can't comment on using the TV Guide feature yet.

I'll update with another post once I become more familiar with the TV.

CGULL, (Or another 62MX195 owner!)
Can you confirm that the 62mx195 does not have full 1920x1080 60Hz resolution on the VGA input? The online information is a little vague on the VGA resolution.

Thanks!

RE: The link someone posted at designtechnica

There's a pic labeled "Toshiba 62HMX195" However, that must be a typo, cause the models with HMX in their name are the 95 series, (not the 195 series). Am I the only one who notices these things? (Or am I going blind with passion for a new tv, and can't read with all my slobering?)

I had a 52hmx84 and thought the PQ was slightly grainy. It was almost like the screen was dusty. I tried adjusting the set and double checked my cables. Since it was within the allowed return period, I took the set back and then looked at the newer 52hm95 and the just out 56hm195. Decided that both had awesome PQ. I liked the PQ better than the model '84 set that I had just returned and also the Sony and the Mit on display next to them. In watching the Tos 95/195's I concluded that the 195 had the better PQ, detail and brighter colors. This is probably due to it's native resolution (being 1080p versus 720p), the 150 watt lamp and the newer Black technology. The differences were sutle but I don't think that the input source was 1080 resolution so the 195 basically was limited to converting the original signal. Based on my comparison, I decided to go ahead and buy a 62hm195 (the technology and size) even though it was more $$. I think the 1080p is the next step in the technology and bigger is always better - right? For the slight difference in cost at this point it was worthwhile to buy in to the 1080p resolution now, since I expect to keep this set around for the 5 years or so. It definitely pays to shop around. I found the set on the internet and wound up with a delivered price on the 62hm195 for approx $2,850 :) and that was $400 less than the 56hm195 that I was initially looking at in Sears. The set is being delivered today, so I'll give a follow up on my 62hm195 after I've had a chance to live with it a few days.

One question I have about the new Toshiba 1080p's is why are they so much cheaper than other manufacturer's similar products? You can get the 62" model for considerably less than a 50" Sammy or 52" Mits. This makes me a little apprehensive about wanting to purchase one of these sets. To me, the considerably cheaper price means cheaper build quality which leads to an inferior product. Am I right in assuming this?

The reason might be that the Tos' have yet, for the most part hit the stores, while the other companies been there for about a month(1080p). They need to entice people(price) to play catch up.

I went to Sears to look at the 56HM195. My viewing distance is about 9 to 10 ft. The 56" would seem to be the right size. I don't know if a 60 or 62" would be too large for my viewing distance/room size.
The 56HM195 was sitting next to other 720P sets and there were no other 1080P sets near by so I could only compare the PQ to other 720P.
Against the Sony A20, JVC, Samsung 5067, older Tosh models...I thought the 56HM195 had the better PQ. White looks more brilliant white, not muted or off-white. The PQ was also brighter without washing out the color. Black looks like black without loosing details. On some scenes when the commercial for ESPN and Circuit City came on...I could clearly see the larger letters were more sharpened.
This set is definitely on top of my list. I would like to be able to compare it to another 1080P to see how well it handles the details in the dark scenes. I've seen the Sammy 1080P and was a bit disappointed. The Sammy seems to have black crush? is this when the dark areas were so blackened and dark that it wiped all the finer details...

The only thing that I thought this TV had that it doesn't is the ability to regulate the individual colors for the picture(red,green,blue,etc.), instead of just using tint and color to achieve results.

I downloaded the owners manaul and it shows that on page 85 under Advance picture settigns that you can adjust all three main colors plus more ?

Is this not correct ?

I just ordered the 72MX195 and waiting for stock to come in next week or the week after.

Maybe some day a 1080p will make it to my region. I live in Cincinnati and stores like best buy, HH gregg, Circuit City, and Ovation Audio have do not have any of them yet. Supposedly Alamo has the Mits but I've not made it there yet. I'll have to do that this week.

xb1032 you may start to see them on display some time by mid month to the end of the month.

Here in Canada Ontario we get them or so they say :rolleyes: by mid month.

The only thing that I thought this TV had that it doesn't is the ability to regulate the individual colors for the picture(red,green,blue,etc.), instead of just using tint and color to achieve results. What does the manual say as I also read it in the user manual from Toshiba's web site and it is supposed to have the individual color settings? :confused:

cgull999 do you see this in your Picture menu.

Hope this picture works. :)

http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/536944/4741575/113807706.jpg

The model you bought (62HM15) is a 720p display and has only one HDMI input. The 62HM195 is a 1080p display and that set has 2 HDMI inputs. You may have gotten the two models confused since there is just one number separating the two. From what I'm seeing, only 1080p sets have 2 HDMI inputs. That model must be equivalent to this year's HM series as the HMX's all had two HDMI inputs with the exception of the 46" sets. My guess is you have a 62HM95 as it is an integrated set that has only one HDMI input.

I feel like an expectant father - my new 62hm195 is arriving this afternoon. I wonder if it's a B or G???

I feel like an expectant father - my new 62hm195 is arriving this afternoon. I wonder if it's a B or G???

Please come back here and share with us some details...and be objective now :)

We know you're excited and a bit bias ;)

cgull999 do you see this in your Picture menu.

Hope this picture works. :)

http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/536944/4741575/113807706.jpg

I saw that you should be able to do this too (it mentions it in the owners manual I downloaded), but, they must have changed something, because the Color Management feature is not even there. I know the owners manual on-line was a first draft, so maybe they thought about doing it but didn't. It also makes no mention of it in the owners manual that came with the TV. Maybe it's something that can be accessed in a service menu, but I don't know how to access that.

If someone else has one of the 195 models and can do this, please let me know.

CGULL999 try this. :)

This was the sequence to get into the older Toshiba service menu and hopefully you can get in and trim the colors.

Put on a dvd like dvd, video essintails etc that has shades of grey. Make sure that your tv is fully warmed up and use the normal or wram temp settigns on the tv.

With the tv on press mute on the remote release and then press mute again on the remote while the button is still being pressed press menu on the tv and then you should see a S for service menu.

Hit menu again to get the data numbers.

You use the channel up and down to scroll through the service options and then use the Volume up and down for the adjustments.

The color adjustments are normally labeled Rdrv, Gdrv, Bdrv Bcut, Rcut. I would write down the numbers before you try and adjust them.

I can scan my older service manual to show you what some of the codes mean if you can get into the service menu.

Let me know if this works. You should not have to change the values more than one or two points.

Damm would be a drag if I cant adjust the tv for a more accutae grey scale.

Maybe you can call Toshiba and ask them about the color advance menu features ?

CGULL999 try this. :)

This was the sequence to get into the older Toshiba service menu and hopefully you can get in and trim the colors.

Put on a dvd like dvd, video essintails etc that has shades of grey. Make sure that your tv is fully warmed up and use the normal or wram temp settigns on the tv.

With the tv on press mute on the remote release and then press mute again on the remote while the button is still being pressed press menu on the tv and then you should see a S for service menu.

Hit menu again to get the data numbers.

You use the channel up and down to scroll through the service options and then use the Volume up and down for the adjustments.

The color adjustments are normally labeled Rdrv, Gdrv, Bdrv Bcut, Rcut. I would write down the numbers before you try and adjust them.

I can scan my older service manual to show you what some of the codes mean if you can get into the service menu.

Let me know if this works. You should not have to change the values more than one or two points.

Damm would be a drag if I cant adjust the tv for a more accutae grey scale.

Maybe you can call Toshiba and ask them about the color advance menu features ?

I called Toshiba, and they know nothing about the Color Managment feature. Don't get me wrong, the picture still looks good, I just would have liked to have this to further tweak the picture.

CGULL999 that is a drag no adjustments then. :(

A question does the tv store the invididual color settings for each input ?

I hope that atleast it does.

Try the service menu access when you get home and let us know if you can get in.

So, I got my 62MX195 delivered Saturday. I hooked up my hi-def cable box via HDMI and my DVD & X-Box via component cables. The picture looks incredible. I know some people don't like the way DLP's and high-def TV's in general for the way they show standard broadcasts, but I think this does a decent job. There is no, I repeat NO lip sync issues that I could detect with this TV, no matter which source I was watching (cable, dvd, x-box). I played Madden 2005 (I know, I need to get '06) and had no delay what so ever.

The only thing that I thought this TV had that it doesn't is the ability to regulate the individual colors for the picture(red,green,blue,etc.), instead of just using tint and color to achieve results. One feature of the TV that I actually turned off was the Dynamic Contrast. What this is suppose to do is analyze the picture and automatically adjust the contrast accordingly. It does do this and it does work, but I found that it darked some scenes up a bit much and I didn't like it. I'm still getting used to the features. Since I'm using a cable box, I can't comment on using the TV Guide feature yet.

I'll update with another post once I become more familiar with the TV.


I'm glad you're happy with the set. Where did you get it from? I ordered mine last August and still waiting. Hope to get mine soon.

Why aren't you using HDMI for your DVD? How is the cable picture quality using component and HDMI?

Keep us posted. Enjoy viewing.

I feel like an expectant father - my new 62hm195 is arriving this afternoon. I wonder if it's a B or G???


My set is already in town, also. I hope the delivery will be available tomorrow.

Oh yeah. tomorrow it is. 62MX195 is here, Mitsu is gone.

[QUOTE=B 62MX195 is here, Mitsu is gone.[/QUOTE]

Which Mitsu set is 'gone'?

I'm pretty sure I read in the other DLP Toshiba forum here that the VGA can only handle 1024 x 768. EVERYBODY claims a simple DVI to HDMI cable will allow PC connections at full resolution provided your PCs video card supports the proper resolution.

CGULL, (Or another 62MX195 owner!)
Can you confirm that the 62mx195 does not have full 1920x1080 60Hz resolution on the VGA input? The online information is a little vague on the VGA resolution.

Thanks!

Here is an email reply from Toshiba regarding the fan that never turns off.

Dear Toshiba,
My question is regarding the fans on the newest model 56HM195. I understand the purpose of the fan protecting the DLP’s bulb. That is not confusing at all, for about five minutes after shutdown, it goes off.
My question is regarding another fan that never goes off. Some have suggested that it might cool the cable card slot. If this is true, and since I do not have a cable card, can this fan be removed from the 24/7 cycle? Please provide me with information about my options.

Thanks for writing!
The fan you are referring to cools the Digital Tuner board inside the TV. There is no way to disable this fan.
For further assistance, please write back or call 1-800-631-3811.
Scott
Toshiba Customer Service

I'm glad you're happy with the set. Where did you get it from? I ordered mine last August and still waiting. Hope to get mine soon.

Why aren't you using HDMI for your DVD? How is the cable picture quality using component and HDMI?

Keep us posted. Enjoy viewing.

I got the TV From ABT Electronics in Glenview, IL.

I don't use HDMI for my DVD since it's an older player and doesn't have it. Component looks good as does the HDMI form the Cable.