The Sony A20 was a great set when I had it. Increase the contrast, brighten the colors a bit, improve the BL and get rid of the SDE and you have a great set. Oh yeah maybe the SXRD will be all that.

Well Tony you could always upgrade to colorwheel free DLP but you have to wear the proper viewing glasses:

http://store1.yimg.com/I/rainbowsymphony_1857_19058212.gif

I wondered what happened to my glasses! No wonder my Sammy looks
so frig'in stunning :-)

I thought we collectively settled this along time ago.

Say it with me brothas and sistas...

The weight is the key...

... to reflec-tivity.

Here's the numbers:
60" XS955 = 113lbs = Non-reflective
60" SXRD = 112lbs
60" XBR = 173lbs = Reflective
70" XBR = 204lbs = Reflective
70" Q006 = 273lbs = Kirsty Alley = Reflective


You are talking about sets that are using glass as the screen thats why they weight so much. I believe the screens will be similar to the original XBR that UMR owns which are reflective but not made out of glass I believe. The guy that original posted said they are like the X-brite on the Sony Laptop computers, which are reflective but more of a plastic material. Here is a link to the XBR 60inch and these were 150lbs which is more than 113 but also less than the ones that have glass. If you click on UMR's gallery you can get a better idea of how the screen will most likely look.

http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KF_60XBR800/4505-6484_7-20648904.html

Well Tony you could always upgrade to colorwheel free DLP but you have to wear the proper viewing glasses:

http://store1.yimg.com/I/rainbowsymphony_1857_19058212.gif

Hey,

What is the official name for these glasses. DLP "Rainbow Six" Glasses (6 lenses, granted that 2 of them are clear)? :D My hat's off to you as well UG. :) Can I get 'A' pineapple on MY pizza please?

Not sure if this helps, but on page 6 of the SXRD user manual it says "The screen surface has a special coating to reduce reflections."

You obviously didn't get the point and only wanted to take a cheap shot. Hope you feel better now. This has nothing to do with CRT, this applies to screen type. I was just using my set as an example. There must be other display types with this type of screen. I don't care what type of display it uses but it better have a no reflections, virtually no glare screen. I don't know how anyone settles for less but that is just my preference. I don't think anyone would stand for it at a theater, why put up with it at home?

Actually, I got the point quite clearly. You are recommending taking off the protective screen to expose an expensive, easily damaged, Fresnel lens. Then you close with the obligatory statement of how wonderful your Mitsubishi is. Nevermind the thread topic. It really gets old and this doesn't make me feel better. Heck, it was old when you did this consistently on the Qualia owners thread, when you hadn't even seen the thing.

You just don't seem to get the principle that there is no perfect display; every technology has it's tradeoffs. It's great that you're ecstatic with your set, but not everyone is waiting to be proselytized. I have no commitment to any of them, but you contribute very little to enlightening the discussion. The fact that large CRTs have poor off axis response, burn-in susceptibility, convergence issues (wait, I forgot, yours doesn't), a soft picture and a size bigger than a refrigerator shouldn't be of concern, since you are completely satisfied?

You are talking about sets that are using glass as the screen thats why they weight so much. I believe the screens will be similar to the original XBR that UMR owns which are reflective but not made out of glass I believe. The guy that original posted said they are like the X-brite on the Sony Laptop computers, which are reflective but more of a plastic material. Here is a link to the XBR 60inch and these were 150lbs which is more than 113 but also less than the ones that have glass. If you click on UMR's gallery you can get a better idea of how the screen will most likely look.

http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KF_60XBR800/4505-6484_7-20648904.html


The screen is behind the bezel as I posted earlier. The mystery continues.

Phenomenal...absolutely phenomenal...my hat's off (perpetually) to you! :D :D :D

That's how I've always envisioned him...

Jason

I agree, that post made me laugh for a good 10 minutes! Maybe I should buy those glasses and wear them to work....

You are talking about sets that are using glass as the screen thats why they weight so much. I believe the screens will be similar to the original XBR that UMR owns which are reflective but not made out of glass I believe. The guy that original posted said they are like the X-brite on the Sony Laptop computers, which are reflective but more of a plastic material. Here is a link to the XBR 60inch and these were 150lbs which is more than 113 but also less than the ones that have glass. If you click on UMR's gallery you can get a better idea of how the screen will most likely look.

http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KF_60XBR800/4505-6484_7-20648904.html

I will actually see the thing IN PERSON a week from this Friday at Cedia. I promise a full report on here as soon as I get home. Also, I was in Best Buy again yesterday and they said they expect a SXRD within a couple weeks or so. Time will tell...they have yet to even get an A-10 on display at this particular store. In fact, the web sites for BB and Circuity City show the A-10's as sold out for in-store pickup in my area. They must really be flying off the shelves.

They must really be flying off the shelves.

Facilitated by the speaker design I presume.

Facilitated by the speaker design I presume.

The A10s don't have the speaker wings of the SXRDs, so they won't fly quite so well. Then again, they do have that ramscoop at the bottom which may do the trick.

The A10s don't have the speaker wings of the SXRDs, so they won't fly quite so well.

OOOOPS! I'm sorry. I thought folks were saying they were using the cabinet style of the A10 for the SXRDs. I went to sonystyle and see they look nothing alike. Therefore, my post makes no sense. The good news is it keeps all of my posts consistant in nature.

I think they were saying they wished the SXRDs used the same cabinet style as the A10s.

OOOOPS! I'm sorry. I thought folks were saying they were using the cabinet style of the A10 for the SXRDs.


I mistakenly thought so too— therefore, it’s still funny. :D
And I was so looking forward to UG’s image of this too.

I think they were saying they wished the SXRDs used the same cabinet style as the A10s.

Which may work for the 50" but there is no 60" A10.

Paul,

Talk about tiring, would you please put me on your ignore list and I'll put you on mine.

Just went to a Great Indoors store (Sears) and talked with the Manager there. I asked him about the SXRD's and he said that they will be carrying both 50" and 60" but no Qualia's.Just thought I'd pass this along... I was looking at the Sears site for A10 info (no BB or CC in my area), and low and behold they have both the 50" and 60" SXRD's listed. Not sure if they're in stock yet...

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=ELEC&pid=05754675000&subcat=HDTVs

Just thought I'd pass this along... I was looking at the Sears site for A10 info (no BB or CC in my area), and low and behold they have both the 50" and 60" SXRD's listed. Not sure if they're in stock yet...

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=ELEC&pid=05754675000&subcat=HDTVs

If they are selling it in Sears you know Sony is trying to get into every home in America!

The Sears site lists only 1 HDMI input. The Sony site lists 1 HDMI input. The manual lists 2 HDMI inputs. Anyone know for sure?

The sears site also lists it as a 1080i set. In my opinion the manual is a safer bet. Also, if you compare the set on Sony's site, it lists two HDMI inputs.

Just thought I'd pass this along... I was looking at the Sears site for A10 info (no BB or CC in my area), and low and behold they have both the 50" and 60" SXRD's listed. Not sure if they're in stock yet...

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=ELEC&pid=05754675000&subcat=HDTVs

Sears site shows it 'out of stock' when you put your zip code in....no suprise there!

Just wanted to see what people were thinking about how to set up the
"Official SXRD Owners Thread"

How should we set it up. Should it include both 50" and 60" sets? I think the first one who actually gets one of these suckers into their home, and takes a decent rez picture of the set in action displaying a HD feed, should have the honor of starting the thread. A seperate thread could be started by the first person that can verify they have seen the set in action at CES or a retail store.

Just wanted to see what people were thinking about how to set up the
"Official SXRD Owners Thread"

How should we set it up. Should it include both 50" and 60" sets? I think the first one who actually gets one of these suckers into their home, and takes a decent rez picture of the set in action displaying a HD feed, should have the honor of starting the thread. A seperate thread could be started by the first person that can verify they have seen the set in action at CES or a retail store.I second the motion that the first person to document delivery and setup should start the thread. That's how the Qualia owners thread got started. We can all play in this mess-of-a-thread until the time is appropriate.

I think the 50" & 60" go together just fine. I don't belive I have seen any differences other than screen size.

IFA is starting in berlin on friday this week. as far as i know it's the biggest consumer electronics show in the world and sony will have their booth. i believe they will show their new SXRDs there (and hopefully announce a european release date too). i won't be there but i'm pretty sure that we will get pictures of the new sets at the end of week.

thats the official site www.ifa-berlin.de

The Sony Store in Canada is saying mid October for release.

If they are selling it in Sears you know Sony is trying to get into every home in America!


Point well made. It was only two weeks ago when the salespeople as my local Sears store said that they won't be carrying the XBR sets. A lot can change in only a few days.

Does bring up another question. Does Sears every have TVs that you can special order but they don't actually display/stock in local stores???

Point well made. It was only two weeks ago when the salespeople as my local Sears store said that they won't be carrying the XBR sets. A lot can change in only a few days.

Does bring up another question. Does Sears every have TVs that you can special order but they don't actually display/stock in local stores???

Check their web site for all models available. Stores seldom display all models they carry...there isn't room. Same is true of all retailers. They would just order one in for you, or you can order from the web site and pick up at a retail store.

Don't forget that Sears was the Catolog "KING" and that is how they got their start. Back in the day, way back, you could order a HOUSE mail order. Sears will sell you anything you want.....if they can get it. Most companies do business with sears, its like doing business with Walmart, almost a must. And now that Sears and Kmart are one and the same I'm sure that they can get just about any product you want.....if your willing to pay the Sears price.

The Sears site also has the Mits and Toshiba 1080p DLP sets listed. Interesting to note that when I tried to do an in-store pick-up for the Toshiba, it said it would be in store in 13 - 15 days (not out of stock like the Sony SXRD). I guess I will have several 1080p sets to consider next month. Really want the 60" SXRD but the extra width from the speakers that I won't even use is killing me! Sony, what were you thinking?

Really want the 60" SXRD but the extra width from the speakers that I won't even use is killing me! Sony, what were you thinking?

I talked to a Sony rep about the speaker issue a few months back and got an interesting reply to my comment about worthless speakers. His answer went something like this: "Women want the speakers. They just want to be able to turn on the set and watch it. They don't care about all of that surround sound stuff. Sony will never give up their speakers on TVs."

No flames from the AVS ladies please. I report. You decide.

Dogs want to crap on the carpet, too. But that doesn't mean they can't be trained! :)

Lol! The -ONLY- thing my wife doesn't like about the look of the sets is the speakers. Here's the discussion after I showed her the picture on the SonyStyle site:

Her: What are those?
Me: Speakers.
Her: We don't need those.
Me: Yep.
Her: Can they be removed?
Me: Nope
Her: That's stupid.
Me: Yep
Her: I'm not sure I'll like that.
Me: Doh!

My wife has absolutely no problem "just coming home and watching TV." I'm sure the same goes for those that share domiciles with my fellow AVS members.

I'm not against the speakers in general, but I am against not being able to remove them. I can understand that for various reasons, people want speakers on TVs...and I think it's ok to put speakers on to ENcourage sales...but in this case it seems that Sony has managed to DIScourage others from buying the TV...and for dubious reasons.

They don't have to give them up - just put them below the screen instead of flapping around on the sides. Or make them removable. And if they'd include a decent remote with the $5,000 TV, it could be set up to turn everything on and change to the correct inputs, etc. with the press of one button. Lame excuse from Sony, in my book.

FatNoah - that's about the same exchange my wife and I had about the SXRD set, especially the "That's stupid" part. :cool:

I talked to a Sony rep about the speaker issue a few months back and got an interesting reply to my comment about worthless speakers. His answer went something like this: "Women want the speakers. They just want to be able to turn on the set and watch it. They don't care about all of that surround sound stuff. Sony will never give up their speakers on TVs."

No flames from the AVS ladies please. I report. You decide.


Who said anything about giving them up. Just put them on the bottom like the A10s or removable like the 006. Its not like Sony doesn't know how to do it, they just chose not to.


Just out of curiosity, the cabinet that the SXRD is going in is the current 995, correct?? Does the 995 have any problems with chromatic abberation?? Could be that they got it right on this cabinet and didn't want to tempt fate.

I agree. My wife hasn't seen a picture yet, but I'm sure that her response will be very similar to yours. I haven't had speakers enabled on our TV for years and she does just fine with it.

Frankly, it's not much of a TV without speakers, because there will always be people who want a great picture but don't care to have speakers all over the room. Without speakers it would be more of a monitor than a television. Which brings up a good point, actually. Why don't companies make large monitors - no tuners of any sort and no speakers? Just a great screen with lots of video inputs? You'd think without the speakers and tuners and audio inputs/outputs the cost would be cut somewhat - maybe $500 off the retail price? Sony could sell a "monitor" version of the 60XBR1 for an MSRP of $4,499, for example.

I don't know, just thinking "out loud."

Frankly, it's not much of a TV without speakers, because there will always be people who want a great picture but don't care to have speakers all over the room. Without speakers it would be more of a monitor than a television. Which brings up a good point, actually. Why don't companies make large monitors - no tuners of any sort and no speakers? Just a great screen with lots of video inputs? You'd think without the speakers and tuners and audio inputs/outputs the cost would be cut somewhat - maybe $500 off the retail price? Sony could sell a "monitor" version of the 60XBR1 for an MSRP of $4,499, for example.

I don't know, just thinking "out loud."

A lot of plasma makers already do this. They are "commercial" displays, though a lot of home consumers buy them too. I'm guessing there aren't any commercial RPTVs because flat panels make a lot more sense in most commercial applications.

My wife instantly hated the dumbo ears on the new Sony sets. She actually saw the XBR set that has the same cabinet. I personally don't mind the look but it takes up valuable horizontal space. I'm not sure what they were thinking. I don't want them removable either I just want them on the bottom of the set. Are u listening?? I guarantee they will do away with the side speakers on their next set. They obviously are rushing this set to market. The A10 series has the speakers on the bottom of the set.

I don't disagree with previous posters that the side speakers are not cool. But, my wife is one of those people that will not tolerate complication in her entertainment. She wants a TV that turns on with both picture and sound, period. She's not stupid (she's a CPA), she just isn't as crazed about toys as we are.

The Sony Store in Canada is saying mid October for release.

Whatever happened to the 'mid-September' Canadian timeframe from just a week ago (from the sony.ca news release)?

No luck finding where these will be sold here, either - the XBRs were never sold in Canada, so all B&M sales reps smugly assure me that I'M confused - it's always a toss-up whether to be smug myself in THEIR ignorance, or to just smack them. Regardless, I certainly won't be buying from the Sony Store, where EVERYTHING is MSRP at all times.

I agree with webspinner, I can't pay MSRP for anything. I got my local Magnolia to $4300 for a 60: XBR1 tv. I'm in no hurry, so 4-6 weeks is ok.

As for the speakers, I'm not a big fan of the "Dumbo Ears" but I do require speakers on a set, even though I have a DTS 5.1 setup. When the kids are sleeping or I'm just not in the mood to play through the stereo, I use the set speakers.

I don't disagree with previous posters that the side speakers are not cool. But, my wife is one of those people that will not tolerate complication in her entertainment. She wants a TV that turns on with both picture and sound, period. She's not stupid (she's a CPA), she just isn't as crazed about toys as we are.

Yup, although my wife and i dont mind the side speakers, (i actually like them), the rest of your post is her exactly. She wants a tv to turn on and not screw with my surround sound system, and she too is a professional but just wants her plain tv. Besides, she gets nervous using anything that is "mine" since i am a nut about keeping my stuff in perfect condition and am always telling her not to push the wrong button!!!! She is afraid to use any of my toys, which actually is fine with me. :D

Don't forget that Sears was the Catolog "KING" and that is how they got their start. Back in the day, way back, you could order a HOUSE mail order. Sears will sell you anything you want.....if they can get it. Most companies do business with sears, its like doing business with Walmart, almost a must. And now that Sears and Kmart are one and the same I'm sure that they can get just about any product you want.....if your willing to pay the Sears price.

But with Sears price match + 10% the difference, you can't go wrong. And the Master Protection agreement seems worth it though I'd want to check on bulb replacement within that timeframe.

For those who can't deal with dumbo ears or "small" screen sizes but
still want to experience Sony SXRD in your own homes, here are the
rumored specs for the new Sony SXRD FP:

New Sony SXRD, lets call it "VW100"
~10 000:1 On/Off contrast
3x SXRD panel (0.61 inch)
1920x1080
400W Xenon lamp
Output ~ 1000 ANSI
Manual lensshift
23dB
MSRP: ~$10.000

I bet the PQ on this is stunning on a high quality 100 in. screen!

She's not stupid (she's a CPA), she just isn't as crazed about toys as we are.

Neutrd 1,

I doubt that referring to your wife as a Constant Pain in the A$$ would be the way to go if you hope to get the set you want. :o

For those who can't deal with dumbo ears or "small" screen sizes but
still want to experience Sony SXRD in your own homes, here are the
rumored specs for the new Sony SXRD FP:

New Sony SXRD, lets call it "VW100"
~10 000:1 On/Off contrast
3x SXRD panel (0.61 inch)
1920x1080
400W Xenon lamp
Output ~ 1000 ANSI
Manual lensshift
23dB
MSRP: ~$10.000

I bet the PQ on this is stunning on a high quality 100 in. screen!

how does this differ from the $30k Qualia 004 ?

how does this differ from the $30k Qualia 004 ?

Qualia 04
3,000:1 On/Off contrast ( from spec sheet )
No adjustable IRIS
3x SXRD panel (0.78 inch)
1920x1080
700 watt Xenon lamp
? ANSI
? dB
MSRP: ~$30,000

What a steal, huh? If I were a Qualia 04 owner, I would be pissed!

Qualia 04
3,000:1 On/Off contrast ( from spec sheet )
No adjustable IRIS
3x SXRD panel (0.78 inch)
1920x1080
700 watt Xenon lamp
? ANSI
? dB
MSRP: ~$30,000

What a steal, huh? If I were a Qualia 04 owner, I would be pissed!Eary adopter tax. Nobody to be pissed at but themselves.

Qualia 04
3,000:1 On/Off contrast ( from spec sheet )
No adjustable IRIS
3x SXRD panel (0.78 inch)
1920x1080
700 watt Xenon lamp
? ANSI
? dB
MSRP: ~$30,000

What a steal, huh? If I were a Qualia 04 owner, I would be pissed!

Early adaptors always pay a premium. Those willing to wait always get more for less. A fact of life with rapidly evolving and improving technologies...

A year from now, when 60" SXRDs with bottom-mounted speakers and 1080p HDMI inputs are selling for $2499 MSRP, we can all be angry at ourselves then too.

Neutrd 1,

I doubt that referring to your wife as a Constant Pain in the A$$ would be the way to go if you hope to get the set you want. :o

I'm glad my wife doesn't read this forum. I would be sleeping in the gutter and there would be a "contract" out on you.

A year from now, when 60" SXRDs with bottom-mounted speakers and 1080p HDMI inputs are selling for $2499 MSRP, we can all be angry at ourselves then too.After I get my KDS-R60XBR1 I shall ban myself from AVS until it is time to replace it :D

A year from now, when 60" SXRDs with bottom-mounted speakers and 1080p HDMI inputs are selling for $2499 MSRP, we can all be angry at ourselves then too.

Well, not really, since it probably won't be much better unless you happen
to have an application for it it like the display for your PC or have the two or
three PS3 games written in 1080p60fps that will be out by that time.

You will have enjoyed one hell of a nice display and only paid a couple
grand premium. A couple grand premium is nothing compared to
the premium Qualia 04 owners paid...

From the specs, it has the potential to be MUCH better...

Sears now shows the TVs will be in stores in 31-33 days when you view the options for in-store pickup.

After I get my KDS-R60XBR1 I shall ban myself from AVS until it is time to replace it :D

Noooooo....... :eek: we NEED your humor :D . Who are you kiding UG :) , even after you get your TV, you WILL still visit the official SXRD thread. Then you will be tempted to visit other forums/posts and who knows what you'll end up buying then.

BTW, is anyone planning on buyng that $1,300 MSRP, 2005 Sony DVD player?
[talks to himself] :( Focus Matthew. TV first. "Accessories" later.

Thanks.

Noooooo....... :eek: we NEED your humor :D . Who are you kiding UG :) , even after you get your TV, you WILL still visit the official SXRD thread. Then you will be tempted to visit other forums/posts and who knows what you'll end up buying then.

BTW, is anyone planning on buyng that $1,300 MSRP, 2005 Sony DVD player?
[talks to himself] :( Focus Matthew. TV first. "Accessories" later.

Thanks.Don't worry. It's like a car accident, try as I might I won't be able to resist looking. :D

As for DVD players, I went with one less zero, the Sony DVP-NS70H (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=DVPNS70H&Dept=hav&CategoryName=hav_DVD_DVDPlayers) for $130.

Don't worry. It's like a car accident, try as I might I won't be able to resist looking. :D

As for DVD players, I went with one less zero, the Sony DVP-NS70H (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=DVPNS70H&Dept=hav&CategoryName=hav_DVD_DVDPlayers) for $130.

The player that many Q006 owners are using and which was used by many SonyStyle stores to showcase DVD playback on the Q006 is the DVP-NS975V (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=DVPNS975V&Dept=tvvideo&CategoryName=hav_DVD_DVDPlayers). It also has the quite rare ability to pass 480i via HDMI, allowing the internals of the set to process the signal all the way up to 1080p. Many Q006 owners have found this to give a superior picture. Maybe the same will hold true for these GW SXRD sets given the processing circuitry appears to be the same.

The player that many Q006 owners are using and which was used by many SonyStyle stores to showcase DVD playback on the Q006 is the DVP-NS975V (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=DVPNS975V&Dept=tvvideo&CategoryName=hav_DVD_DVDPlayers). It also has the quite rare ability to pass 480i via HDMI, allowing the internals of the set to process the signal all the way up to 1080p. Many Q006 owners have found this to give a superior picture. Maybe the same will hold true for these GW SXRD sets given the processing circuitry appears to be the same.That's exactly what I was hoping would be true for the DVP-NS70H over HDMI.

After I get my KDS-R60XBR1 I shall ban myself from AVS until it is time to replace it :D

'Time to replace it' means as soon as the next great thing comes along in 24 months or less...lol :)

Again, nearly 100% of buyers use the speakers built into their TV. Virtually no one has surround sound, as much as we all love it.

I wish the speakers were gone, or below the screen, or removable, but I understand the reality of the market.

I wish the speakers were gone, or below the screen, or removable...
Yeah, you and nearly everybody here! :D Damn, I wish it didn't have the side speakers, but they won't be a dealbreaker if the pq is what we're expecting!

Jason

If the side speakers are so objectionable, you can wait for the new JVC 1080p LCoS set or the 1080p LG LCoS set in October. The JVC has the speakers on the bottom and should have similar if not better PQ. The LG set is reusing their new DLP chassis with the slim speakers on the side so again it takes up a lot less space then the Sony "dumbo" The LG set will most likely be a step below the JVC and Sony in PQ, but should have a generous street price advantage as well as 1080p inputs, which seem very important to some people.

Thanks for the suggestions...:rolleyes:...I shall rename you tony...

Jason

Thanks for the suggestions...:rolleyes:...I shall rename you tony...

Jason


I am never been more insulted in my life. I might be a tad enthusiastic
regarding my Sammy but sycore, gazelle, and sammik's "hard sell" of
non-existent JVC's is a joke.

For those who can't deal with dumbo ears or "small" screen sizes but
still want to experience Sony SXRD in your own homes, here are the
rumored specs for the new Sony SXRD FP:

New Sony SXRD, lets call it "VW100"
~10 000:1 On/Off contrast
3x SXRD panel (0.61 inch)
1920x1080
400W Xenon lamp
Output ~ 1000 ANSI
Manual lensshift
23dB
MSRP: ~$10.000

I bet the PQ on this is stunning on a high quality 100 in. screen!

I read in several places that the Q004's 700W Xenon lamp costs $3000. How much do you suppose the 400W Xenon lamp in this unit will cost? $1700 if cost proportional to power, or likely closer to $3000. That ought to rachet up the year-over-year cost of ownership of this unit. :eek:

I read in several places that the Q004's 700W Xenon lamp costs $3000. How much do you suppose the 400W Xenon lamp in this unit will cost? $1700 if cost proportional to power, or likely closer to $3000. That ought to rachet up the year-over-year cost of ownership of this unit. :eek:

Unknown at this point. Hopefully south of a grand...

I am never been...
Huh? :confused:

Not even that time I called you "Phony Caboose?" :D

Jason

I believe I saw ~$350.00 for bulb replacement on another thread here.

Huh? :confused:

Not even that time I called you "Phony Caboose?" :D

Jason

Nope - I must have missed that one though :-)

I believe I saw ~$350.00 for bulb replacement on another thread here.

That would be great but it is probably wishful thinking...

Unknown at this point. Hopefully south of a grand...

The lamp had better be less than $300.00, or Sony can forget me as buyer..YIKES. You can buy a 27 inch TV for 300 dollars...surely they can sell a friggin bulb for that much or less! :(

The lamp had better be less than $300.00, or Sony can forget me as buyer..YIKES. You can buy a 27 inch TV for 300 dollars...surely they can sell a friggin bulb for that much or less! :(

This is not the replacement bulb for the SXRD XBR RPs but the Xeon lamp
for the new SXRD FP. The replacement bulb for the SXRD XBR RPs shouldn't
be much more than $300 if that...

I read in several places that the Q004's 700W Xenon lamp costs $3000. How much do you suppose the 400W Xenon lamp in this unit will cost? $1700 if cost proportional to power, or likely closer to $3000. That ought to rachet up the year-over-year cost of ownership of this unit. :eek:

Given that the list price of the SXRD 50 inch is 4000 dollars, it would seem HIGHLY unlikey that a replacement bulb would be half the typical out-the-door price of the TV. I would expect $300.00 or so tops for a new bulb. Unlike the Q004, the SXRD's are not rich people's toys...they are for the mass market, and bulbs should be priced accordingly.

As mentioned earlier, this high bulb cost is in regards to Sony's upcoming $10,000 SXRD front-projectors, not the mass-market SXRD rear-projection units. Given that, the bulb replacement cost sounds about right for the front projector units.

As mentioned earlier, this high bulb cost is in regards to Sony's upcoming $10,000 SXRD front-projectors, not the mass-market SXRD rear-projection units. Given that, the bulb replacement cost sounds about right for the front projector units.

Exactly. I was starting to think that I had forgot to quote the post I was referencing, but no - it's there. It's just not always being read in full.

I am never been more insulted in my life. I might be a tad enthusiastic
regarding my Sammy but sycore, gazelle, and sammik's "hard sell" of
non-existent JVC's is a joke.

Hey Tony, the Flintstones just called. Their TV stopped working and they need their color wheel back:)

So, for those of you considering the 50" SXRD that don't want a stand that is wide enough for the 60" model, you might want to consider the SU-GW11 stand. Here it is...
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/+INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=SUGW11&Dept=tvvideo&CategoryName=tv_StandsScreens_36%22to70%22TVStands

That's great info, thanks! Do you think the old XS stand would work as well? I know these stands have some sort of a 'belt' that clips into the back of the TV. I hope Sony didn't design it so you are stuck with having to buy the exact stand they reccommend in their manual.

I don't know if you guys have been following the A10 thread, but FFFred just posted that he had a ISF calibrator to his house and they could not figure out the service mode settings! He even downloaded the service manual online for the 50" A10 and there were NO PICTURE ADJUSTMENTS listed....

This morning he posted a follow up post stating he found some settings.

Let's just hope this doesn't turn into a big problem...these sets better have adjustments or I'll be skipping them all together!

Chris

That's great info, thanks! Do you think the old XS stand would work as well? I know these stands have some sort of a 'belt' that clips into the back of the TV. I hope Sony didn't design it so you are stuck with having to buy the exact stand they reccommend in their manual.


Yes, there is a belt that comes with the official stand, and originally the stand was priced at $799 and i guess nobody bought it, so now its down around $499, still a lot of bucks, but i think its a real good looking stand and goes perfectly with the tv. I guess i will spring for it even though it is still over-priced.

That's exactly what I was hoping would be true for the DVP-NS70H over HDMI.

has it been confirmed that the new 2005 hdmi upscaling players will actually output 480i over HDMI. It appears that the new 995v 400 dvd changer with hdmi from sony dropped 480i over hdmi, only does 480p/720p/1080i over that connection

Thanks for the suggestions...:rolleyes:...I shall rename you tony...

Jason

Thanks for the laugh!

has it been confirmed that the new 2005 hdmi upscaling players will actually output 480i over HDMI. It appears that the new 995v 400 dvd changer with hdmi from sony dropped 480i over hdmi, only does 480p/720p/1080i over that connectionI have not seen anything confirmed about that yet. Sony doesn't have the manual online yet. I have a DVP-NS70H on order though the Sony rewards program. I'll post if I know one way or the other.

I am pleasantly surprised that this (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3023) didn't reignite the whining...

has it been confirmed that the new 2005 hdmi upscaling players will actually output 480i over HDMI. It appears that the new 995v 400 dvd changer with hdmi from sony dropped 480i over hdmi, only does 480p/720p/1080i over that connection

Doesn't 480p DVD mean Progressive Scan? If so, why would anyone want 480i (over HDMI)?

And does anyone know why Sony didn't come out with an ES version of the Upscaling Mega Changer?


Thanks guys. Couldn't figure out/understand this stuff without you guys. :)

Originally Posted by AkaStp
So, for those of you considering the 50" SXRD that don't want a stand that is wide enough for the 60" model, you might want to consider the SU-GW11 stand. Here it is...
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/+IN...to70%22TVStands

That's great info, thanks! Do you think the old XS stand would work as well? I know these stands have some sort of a 'belt' that clips into the back of the TV. I hope Sony didn't design it so you are stuck with having to buy the exact stand they reccommend in their manual.

The old XS stand IS the SXRD stand (both lines are intended to use the SU-GW12 stand, as are the WFs and A20s). With respect to the original post, I think that using the downsized SU-GW11 stand with the 50" SXRD will be a bit problematical. The two lines appear to use a different lock down mechanism for the front of the TV - the SXRD, XS, etc use a stand that has a cutout on the top that the foot of the TV slides into. The smaller stand for the WEs does not appear to have a cutout of any sort. Instead it looks to have a pair of warts that 2 small posts fit into. I am not sure if the SXRD will even sit flat on this stand without first removing the warts, if possible. Also, if the front is not locked down in some fashion, using the strap at the back is largely pointless, so you might as well go with a 3rd party stand that fits your size requirements.

Doesn't 480p DVD mean Progressive Scan? If so, why would anyone want 480i (over HDMI)?

And does anyone know why Sony didn't come out with an ES version of the Upscaling Mega Changer?


Thanks guys. Couldn't figure out/understand this stuff without you guys. :)


I think the main purpose would be to let your tv's scaler do the all the work instead of the player.

I have an hd 850 and component over 480i looks the best. might not be the case in your setup.

The stand recommended for the XS, WF and SXRDs also has the "pair of warts that 2 small posts fit into". You can see this from the "manual" for the stand.
Yes, the stands are different but the one I mentioned is a possibility that I'm willing to take a closer look at. I have no problem removing the "warts" (as I've done with the similar stand that I currently use for my Samsung 50" DLP).

I can't keep up, thanks to my current internet connection. First you beat me to the punch, then you beat me to the update of my post with respect to your beating me to the punch. :) Anyways, do you have an idea for locking down the front? I have been wondering how I could do this with a 3rd party stand for use here in quake country.

Doesn't 480p DVD mean Progressive Scan? If so, why would anyone want 480i (over HDMI)?

And does anyone know why Sony didn't come out with an ES version of the Upscaling Mega Changer?


Thanks guys. Couldn't figure out/understand this stuff without you guys. :)


I think the main purpose would be to let your tv's scaler do the all the work instead of the player.

I have an hd 850 and component over 480i looks the best. might not be the case in your setup.

I have not seen anything confirmed about that yet. Sony doesn't have the manual online yet. I have a DVP-NS70H on order though the Sony rewards program. I'll post if I know one way or the other.
UG, bad news here -- I just found the manual on the Sony site, and it looks like the NS70H does not do 480i out. It's linked from this page (http://esupport.sony.com/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=DVPNS70H). See page 62, "HDMI Resolution". It lists 1080i, 720p, and 480p only; if you look at the corresponding page in the NS975V manual, that one shows 480i in the same place.

Of course, they don't have the NS90V manual up yet, so there's still hope for that one -- if the NS90V is replacing the NS975V, it seems logical it would still have that feature. It's incredibly puzzling to me why this is so rare -- it seems like a trivial thing to implement, but gets restricted to a few high-end players...

UG, bad news here -- I just found the manual on the Sony site, and it looks like the NS70H does not do 480i out. It's linked from this page (http://esupport.sony.com/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=DVPNS70H). See page 62, "HDMI Resolution". It lists 1080i, 720p, and 480p only; if you look at the corresponding page in the NS975V manual, that one shows 480i in the same place.

Of course, they don't have the NS90V manual up yet, so there's still hope for that one -- if the NS90V is replacing the NS975V, it seems logical it would still have that feature. It's incredibly puzzling to me why this is so rare -- it seems like a trivial thing to implement, but gets restricted to a few high-end players...

The Pioneer Elite 59AVi ( and the soon to be released 79AVi ) along
with a couple others I believe from Bravo ) are the only other ones
I know of that do 480i over HDMI...

UG, bad news here -- I just found the manual on the Sony site, and it looks like the NS70H does not do 480i out. It's linked from this page (http://esupport.sony.com/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=DVPNS70H). See page 62, "HDMI Resolution". It lists 1080i, 720p, and 480p only; if you look at the corresponding page in the NS975V manual, that one shows 480i in the same place.

Of course, they don't have the NS90V manual up yet, so there's still hope for that one -- if the NS90V is replacing the NS975V, it seems logical it would still have that feature. It's incredibly puzzling to me why this is so rare -- it seems like a trivial thing to implement, but gets restricted to a few high-end players...Thanks DF. I'll poke through the NS975V owners thread. Has anyone seen a comparison between 480i and 1080i over HDMI on the NS975V?

Here's the direct link to the DVPNS90V manual:
http://www.docs.sony.com/release/DVPNS90V.pdf


Here's the direct link to the DVPNS70H manual:
http://www.docs.sony.com/release/DVPNS70H.pdf

Of course, they don't have the NS90V manual up yet, so there's still hope for that one -- if the NS90V is replacing the NS975V, it seems logical it would still have that feature. It's incredibly puzzling to me why this is so rare -- it seems like a trivial thing to implement, but gets restricted to a few high-end players...The page from the 90 is the same as the 70; 480p, 720p, 1080i :(

After a quick scan of both manuals, in addition to the SACD support and DD5.1 decoder in the 90, the 90 adds BNR Block Noise reduction setting, MNR edge enhancement setting and custom picture mode memory for up to 40 discs.

The page from the 90 is the same as the 70; 480p, 720p, 1080i :(

After a quick scan of both manuals, in addition to the SACD support and DD5.1 decoder in the 90, the 90 adds BNR Block Noise reduction setting, MNR edge enhancement setting and custom picture mode memory for up to 40 discs.

That stinks. Most likely those 'features' will only distort the image further and we'll end up turning them off. Bah!

Of course if the gas prices go any higher I'll be watching a 13" B&W TV!!!!

(ok back to on topic discussion)

just a reminder: IFA starts tomorrow - so it's just a few hours 'til we finally should see these SXRDs.

hopefully someone puts photos online.

Of course if the gas prices go any higher I'll be watching a 13" B&W TV!!!!With rabbit ears too!

With rabbit ears too!


I just realized why Jason bought the 67 pound paper weight disguised
as a UPS - to hold down his 60 in. SXRD from flying away with those
DUMBO ears!

I just realized why Jason bought the 67 pound paper weight disguised
as a UPS - to hold down his 60 in. SXRD from flying away with those
DUMBO ears!
Squeak... Squeak... Squeak...

Wasn't there something that requires your attention? ;)

Squeak... Squeak... Squeak...

Wasn't there something that requires your attention? ;)

Sycore's last brain cell died so I don't hear the squeak anymore :-)

just a reminder: IFA starts tomorrow - so it's just a few hours 'til we finally should see these SXRDs.

hopefully someone puts photos online.

I think we're all going stir crazy waiting :)

With rabbit ears too!

Exactly! I'll need a RF modulator to have a calibrator come out and calibrate the greyscale on my 13" GE B&W :D

You know I've never had love for Germans.. but if you put some pictures up tomorrow you'll be my new best friend :D

Doesn't 480p DVD mean Progressive Scan? If so, why would anyone want 480i (over HDMI)?

And does anyone know why Sony didn't come out with an ES version of the Upscaling Mega Changer?


Thanks guys. Couldn't figure out/understand this stuff without you guys. :)


DVD's are natively 480i so people want a DVD player that simply acts as a "transport" and provides the signal digitally (HDMI/DVI) to some external video processor, whether it be the built-in circuitry in the TV itself or an additional component. Since most players only output 480p over HDMI/DVI, you are subject to the players deinterlacing prowess.

Thanks DF. I'll poke through the NS975V owners thread. Has anyone seen a comparison between 480i and 1080i over HDMI on the NS975V?


Such a comparison would be "coupled" to your external processor/TV so I don't know how useful it would be until you actually hook one up to the new GW SXRD sets. The many Q006 owners that settled on the 975 as their transport seemed to have preferred the 480i output to the Q and relying on the internals of the Q to process the signal up to 1080p.

Such a comparison would be "coupled" to your external processor/TV so I don't know how useful it would be until you actually hook one up to the new GW SXRD sets. The many Q006 owners that settled on the 975 as their transport seemed to have preferred the 480i output to the Q and relying on the internals of the Q to process the signal up to 1080p.

Why does it have to be over hdmi? What if I use a player which puts out 480i over component - Will that result in significantly reduced quality? Would it be better to use 480p/1080i over hdmi thus letting TV do some of the scaling or 480i over component and let the TV do all of the scaling?

Why does it have to be over hdmi? What if I use a player which puts out 480i over component - Will that result in significantly reduced quality? Would it be better to use 480p/1080i over hdmi thus letting TV do some of the scaling or 480i over component and let the TV do all of the scaling?

You are simply adding a D->A->D conversion which inherently can introduce degradation, artifacts, etc. The ideal scenario is to simply have a transport provide the original digital signal untouched to your video processing equipment and maintain the all digital path.

I myself opted to go with the Denon 3910 (for the total audio/video package and b/c it had 1394 out for audio) and I output 1080i to my Q006 and find the picture to be very good. I have not had the opportunity to do a side-by-side comparison of the 975 pushing 480i directly to the Q vs. the 3910 pushing 1080i.

I did compare 480p, 720p and 1080i from the 3910 and settled on 1080i.

Such a comparison would be "coupled" to your external processor/TV so I don't know how useful it would be until you actually hook one up to the new GW SXRD sets. The many Q006 owners that settled on the 975 as their transport seemed to have preferred the 480i output to the Q and relying on the internals of the Q to process the signal up to 1080p.

this is correct as well with my 60vs810 at least with the samsung hd 850.

Picture quality is best at 480i over component, then next is 720p over hdmi....

You know I've never had love for Germans.. but if you put some pictures up tomorrow you'll be my new best friend :D

nah - never call an austrian a german! we maybe look like germans but we're friendly people! :)

i live in vienna and unfortunately thats about 800 miles away from berlin where the IFA will be held... so i won't be there :(

do you guys know some good news-sites where we can look out for IFA-news and photos directly from the showfloor tomorrow?

nah - never call an austrian a german! we maybe look like germans but we're friendly people! :)

lol


i live in vienna and unfortunately thats about 800 miles away from berlin where the IFA will be held... so i won't be there :(

do you guys know some good news-sites where we can look out for IFA-news and photos directly from the showfloor tomorrow?


Thats only a 12 hour drive.. probably 6 with those autobahns - I say go for it :)

Thats only a 12 hour drive.. probably 6 with those autobahns - I say go for it :)

i'm driving a volkswagen u know... nuff said ;)

do you guys know some good news-sites where we can look out for IFA-news and photos directly from the showfloor tomorrow?

Hi Schwarzenegger,

In regards to your quote/statement, I thought you already had the part of knowing where to get photos from "locked-down" already. :D

EVERYONE:

Thanks for all your replies about 480p DVD/480i over HDMI. In your opinion guys, if I don't go with this years SXRD :eek: (for some reason), should I hold off in regards to buying a new DVD player? Or do you think next years models SXRD INTERNAL??? (I saw BENDOVER used the word EXTERNAL, shouldn't it be internal processor) processor/scaler would be ABOUT the same, were I can go ahead and purchase the $500 Sony ES (2005) DVD Player. I wouldn't mind the $1,300 one (if I could "pull it off"), especially if it gave you the option for 480i over HDMI.

I've only owned Sony DVD players. But I wouldn't mind a Denon DVD player with a Faroudja Chip in it. There's no such thing as a best DVD player (as you guys know already), its just what works the best for you. :) For me it would be the features in the DVD player that will allow for the BEST PQ in my set-up.

Thnx- Matthew

In regards to your quote/statement, I thought you already had the part of knowing where to get photos from "locked-down" already. :D


must be my bad english, but i'm giving my best :)

i only know the official IFA-site and some sites that _write_ about the IFA but i want photos!! :)

i'm still searching the internet for sites that carry IFA-news. for videogames and cars there are a lot of sites that post all the news directly from the showfloor with pics and videos nearly in realtime but for consumer electronics... that seems to be a different story.

i'm driving a volkswagen u know... nuff said ;)I want a VW Beduin (http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6050524.001)

I want a VW
Beduin (http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6050524.001)

I am driving a Mercedes AMG - you can have your frig'in VW :-")

I am driving a Mercedes AMG - you can have your frig'in VW :-")Trying to compensate for something Tony? ;)

Again, nearly 100% of buyers use the speakers built into their TV. Virtually no one has surround sound, as much as we all love it.

I wish the speakers were gone, or below the screen, or removable, but I understand the reality of the market.

TV speakers suck (usually). I haven't used my tv speakers for about 5 years now (even after upgrading a couple times).

Trying to compensate for something Tony? ;)

in europe we use to say that men that drive big cars got a small d*ck... does anyone here drive a hummer :D ;)

yeah, the autobahns are cool except for all the traffic on them. Not to mention the speed. Anyone that's ever actually driven 150+ mph knows how scary it is and how long it takes to safely slow down from that speed. If you catch up to traffic in front of you, watch out! Being of German descent and having just visited the home land in March, I can tell you it scared the crap out of me. Oh, and that BMW's are surprisingly cheap to rent. :)

in europe we use to say that men that drive big cars got a small d*ck... does anyone here drive a hummer :D ;)My other car is a Mini :D :D :D

Trying to compensate for something Tony? ;)

I am Italian and definitely do not need to compensate for a small d!ck :-)

My car is fast not big :-)

My car is fast not big :-)Careful there Mr. "fast" - "not big" ;)

:D
Goodnight! everybody

I drive a BMW Isetta (Steve Urkell [sp?] Car). You know, the BMW with door on the front of the car. :D

yeah, the autobahns are cool except for all the traffic on them. Not to mention the speed. Anyone that's ever actually driven 150+ mph knows how scary it is and how long it takes to safely slow down from that speed. If you catch up to traffic in front of you, watch out! Being of German descent and having just visited the home land in March, I can tell you it scared the crap out of me. Oh, and that BMW's are surprisingly cheap to rent. :)

the problem is that everyone here wants to drive on the fast lane no matter if his car's struggling at 90mph or does over 200 mph.

:D
Goodnight! everybody

I drive a BMW Isetta. You know, the BMW with door on the front of the car. :DOh my... you win! :eek:

http://www.bubbledrome.org/cgg/rudybmw.jpg

Oh my... you win! :eek:

http://www.bubbledrome.org/cgg/rudybmw.jpg

Now if I just had a woman to use my "PRIZE," on! :D

Now if I just had a woman to use my "PRIZE," on! :D

pick one:
http://web.ticino.com/ilyas.com/Car-girl.jpg

the problem is that everyone here wants to drive on the fast lane no matter if his car's struggling at 90mph or does over 200 mph.

Its the acceleration I enjoy not necessarily the speed. ..

Its the acceleration I enjoy not necessarily the speed. ..

check this out:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-14.htm

pick one:
http://web.ticino.com/ilyas.com/Car-girl.jpg

Splat! [on my computer monitor] :o

I'll take the one sitting on the door frame, AND :D the lady, back, right.

This thread has gone "SOUTH" :D .............

Splat! [on my computer monitor] :o

I'll take the one sitting on the door frame, AND :D the lady, back, right.

good choice, sir - will be deliverd by austrian's superfast post in 15 weeks ;)

oh, i almost forgot but i just got myself a new car:
http://www.sbhonline.com/Smart%20Car.jpg

so then, no girls for you... sorry :D

I'm expat English and drive BMW M-cars (M3 and M5) .....

If I had a BLACK M5 ESPECIALLY the oldER :cool: style M5, I would get a vanity plate that reads, 'BADWOLF' [California] (Big Bad Wolf).

Splat! [on my computer monitor] :o

I'll take the one sitting on the door frame, AND :D the lady, back, right.

This thread has gone "SOUTH" :D .............

I wouldn't kick any of them out of bed for eating crackers..

By the way, what you are going to do if the battery fails on your UPS? You better get a back up for your back up :-).

I was looking at the $1,499 MSRP APC battery back-up. Not just because of the price, but because someone here in the forums said its a all-in-one (battery back-up, and 2 other things :o) that escape my mind at the moment.

My post = :confused: :o

Glad to hear there are some car nuts here! M5 here, 2000 with 8k. It's the baby of the house :D

Sadly I might be joining the dark side (aka MB) if the new BMWs don't become decent looking cars any time soon!

And enough about the god damn paperweight...you're the fool that spent all that money on Monster gear! :p Don't be jealous because I actually researched my purchase instead of being simply suckered by Best Buy's glitzy Monster Cable display!

Jason

All the research and still bought a overpriced battery operated no-name paperweight...

My $200 dollar power-bar has more Surge protection, joules...

All the research and still bought a overpriced battery operated no-name paperweight...

My $200 dollar power-bar has more Surge protection, joules...Hey Jason -
I think you got a stalker :eek:

Hey jason- i think you have a internet lover ^^^^^^ :eek:

I think you got a stalker :eek:
Yeah, lucky me...that moron seems to follow me wherever I go, babbling and spitting like the kid he is...

Jason

I'm crap'in on your worthless paper weight :-)

By the way, what are you going to do if the battery fails on your UPS? You
better get a back up for your back up :-).
Yeah, I hear Monster makes real high-quality stuff...and better yet, I can buy them at high-end shops like BB and CC...again, lucky me! :D

I stick out my tongue in your general direction! :p

Jason

I've seen this version of the SU-GW12 on several websites.

It only has one shelf. What's up with that?

http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=4180696

Yeah, that's weird. Just browsing around, I saw about half of them with 1 shelf and the other half with 2. :confused:

Jason

so you have to pay $500 more for a stand with 1 less shelf.

that don't seem right.......

Yeah, I hear Monster makes real high-quality stuff...and better yet, I can buy them at high-end shops like BB and CC...again, lucky me! :D

I stick out my tongue in your general direction! :p

Jason

Yet another idiotic remark..

Can all these recording studios be wrong?

http://www.monstercable.com/famous/

Yet another idiotic remark...Can all these recording studios be wrong?
It's funny that you of all people would accuse somebody else of an idiotic remark. I'm not sure why you're even perusing this thread, other than the fact that I'm here and you're going out of your way to really prove to me that you're a total moron.

I don't care what recording studios use Monster Cable...they're all getting paid for their testimonials and surely managed to get their studios outfitted w/ Monster Cable for free with a testimonial deal... With that being said, I will reiterate to you what I've said over and over in thread after thread...I DON'T think that Monster is junk. I've never said that. Believe it or not, I actually own a handful of Monster interconnects and I use some of their speaker wire, too. My only point is that Monster Cable has created an empire based on their clever advertising and savvy marketing to consumers. Over a short period of time, Monster has very successfully positioned itself to be "the" provider of wiring and interconnects, and has done so with cool logos and catchy jargon and eye-catching displays and other marketing ploys. Additionally, they've all but squashed whatever competition they have at the big box stores and end up giving the consumer even fewer and less-informed choices and options. You walk in, see Monster in all their marketed glory with all of the (useless) bells and whistles, maybe you glance over at the less-expensive competition whose packaging is boring, designs aren't as exciting, and maybe you've never heard of them. They don't have some hokey pushbutton display where you can actually "see" their power-conditioning unit in action and they don't offer the vast selection of cabling and interconnects...so regardless of price (often 1/2), you write them off in favor of the "reputable" brand. Monster Cable is essentially marketed as designer cabling, only not quite as nice.

I used to buy Monster Cable before I knew better...again, because it was seemingly the best product available. However, if you look around (start with the AVS sponsors), you'll find that you can get a hell of a lot more bang for your hard earned buck. I've found several companies that put together a much finer product for significantly less money. Granted, they don't have the advertising/marketing budget of Monster Cable, nor the name recognition, but the quality is there...and isn't that the point?

That is, unless you like to brag about owning a bunch of Monster Cable gear...:rolleyes:

Jason

so you have to pay $500 more for a stand with 1 less shelf.

that don't seem right.......

There is only ONE version of the SU-GW12. It has two shelves.

http://www.circuitcity.com/rpsm/oid/100659/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

The other picture you found was not of the SU-GW12.

Yet another idiotic remark..

Can all these recording studios be wrong?

http://www.monstercable.com/famous/

Oh my god how idiotic of us, recording studios would never try to screw the consumer over by having a deal with Monster - nah! You gotta trust the studios :D

There is only ONE version of the SU-GW12.
Thank you for the authoritative reply...you MUST be right! :rolleyes: Circuit City's always right!

If you check the Google results (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-20,GGLG:en&q=SU%2DGW12) you'll see that about half of the results show the stand as having ONE shelf, not two.

I don't know, nor necessarily care, whether the GW12 has one or two shelves, as I'm building my own TV stand, but my point is that there seems to be a lot of confusion out there as to how the stand is actually configured.

Jason

Does anyone know the size of the base of the 60" model? I'd like to use my Bello B-710 with this tv. It's currently holding my 36"XBR which is twice the weight.

David

I was looking at the $1,499 MSRP APC battery back-up. Not just because of the price, but because someone here in the forums said its a all-in-one (battery back-up, and 2 other things :o) that escape my mind at the moment.

My post = :confused: :o

$15000 for a UPS for a tv is a aste of $$$.

$15000 for a UPS for a tv is a aste of $$$.I think a new keyboard is in order.

BTW, I agree $15k is too much ;)

Has anyone else noticed that the new SXRDs are shown as in stock and ship in 2-7 days on the Sears web site? Is anyone brave enough to try and order one to see if it really is in stock and ready to ship in a few days?I would see no benefit to buying from Sears online now. The beauty of Sears is the pricematch. They are an agressive, gullable bunch over there. I love to give them my money, but I feel a little guilty sometimes.

I was told my KDS-R60XBR1 would still be in sometime between the 9th and 29th. So a week would make me giggle like a fool.

Glad to hear there are some car nuts here! M5 here, 2000 with 8k. It's the baby of the house :D

Sadly I might be joining the dark side (aka MB) if the new BMWs don't become decent looking cars any time soon!

I always owned BMWs until the latest style - the new 3 series doesn't look
that bad - neither does the M6 :-)

Thank you for the authoritative reply...you MUST be right! :rolleyes: Circuit City's always right!

If you check the Google results (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-20,GGLG:en&q=SU%2DGW12) you'll see that about half of the results show the stand as having ONE shelf, not two.

I don't know, nor necessarily care, whether the GW12 has one or two shelves, as I'm building my own TV stand, but my point is that there seems to be a lot of confusion out there as to how the stand is actually configured.

Jason

Well I saw the damn thing at my local Circuit City. It had 2 shelves. So whatever.

Even Sony's website shows it as having 2 shelves...

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayMoreInfoAccessories-Start?ProductSKU=SUGW12

as does the manual...

http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/documents/specifications/SUGW12.pdf

Is that "authoritative" enough for you??

I think a new keyboard is in order.

BTW, I agree $15k is too much ;)

not too much if you own the Q004 though. At $3K per bulb, it only has to save you 5 bulbs over its lifetime to have paid for itself.

not too much if you own the Q004 though. At $3K per bulb, it only has to save you 5 bulbs over its lifetime to have paid for itself.

a lamp replacement warranty would be much cheaper :-)

a lamp replacement warranty would be much cheaper :-)

hmmm, how much does a lamp replacement warranty that covers $3K bulbs go for these days?

I would see no benefit to buying from Sears online now. The beauty of Sears is the pricematch. They are an agressive, gullable bunch over there. I love to give them my money, but I feel a little guilty sometimes.

I was told my KDS-R60XBR1 would still be in sometime between the 9th and 29th. So a week would make me giggle like a fool.

Sears already has the 60 inch SXRD on sale as of today on the web site...not a huge discount but at least not at list price. I can smell these things will be selling for a grand off list within a few months.

Sears already has the 60 inch SXRD on sale as of today on the web site...not a huge discount but at least not at list price. I can smell these things will be selling for a grand off list within a few months.


The Sears price *is* list price...

Monster Cable has created an empire based on their clever advertising and savvy marketing to consumers.

Granted, they [Monster's competitors] don't have the advertising/marketing budget of Monster Cable, nor the name recognition, but the quality is there...and isn't that the point?
Jason

Time and again, when a website does an unbiased analytical review of Monster's
products, in a scientific lab, the results are the same: no difference in performance vs the "brand X" product. AC characteristic, transmission line effects, electrical
attenuation,... the same. Monster looks pretty, but that's about it.

hmmm, how much does a lamp replacement warranty that covers $3K bulbs go for these days?


My lamp warranty cost $129 for four years of $350 bulbs...


And the SXRD XBR bulbs will be probably cost about the same as mine...

When I first got interested in HDTV (about two years ago), the first thing I learned
was that oddly enough, all fixed pixel displays advertized 1920x1080, but did not
have enough pixels to fully resolve a 1920x1080 image. So my first set, a sammy DLP,
was merely a stop gap set until real HDTV displays were available. Naturally, I've been
following the announcements of the 1920x1080 DLP's figuring I'd be trading up to one.
So I was at Soundtrack in Boulder Co checking out the 1920x1080 sammys and Mits, and
WHOA! what's this? A 'Qualia 006'? Even with non-ideal program material,
I could see that the Qualia was clearly superior to all other 1920x1080 displays.
The most impressive thing about the qualia was this: even though I was comparing
the 70" Q to a 61"/50" sammy, the Q was sharper, more detailed (normally, the bigger the
set, the less detail cause the pixel density is less on larger sets).
I really really hope the PQ on the smaller SXRD is close to the same as the Q cause
I've suddenly lost interest in the 1920x1080 DLPs.

I've suddenly lost interest in the 1920x1080 DLPs.

With the impending release of the Sony, JVC and LG LCoS sets later this year, so will most of the buying public. True there will be some very nice "faux" 1080p DLPs, but once Sony's marketing machine takes over with their 140M dollar ad campaign, they will hammer home the many DLP shortcomings of rainbows, headaches, color wheels and reliability questions.

a lamp replacement warranty would be much cheaper :-)

i wonder what the fine print on your lamp replacement warranty says...

My lamp warranty cost $129 for four years of $350 bulbs...


And the SXRD XBR bulbs will be probably cost about the same as mine...

hmm, the Qualia 006's 200W replacement lamp (XL5000) runs only $300; i would have to believe the lower wattage GW SXRD lamps will be less.

How much more do the raw materials of an SXRD costs compared to a conventional light bulb that puts out the same amount of light?

When will Wal-Mart sell replacement bulbs?

hm, first day of IFA is over and i still don't see any photos

hm, first day of IFA is over and i still don't see any photos

they did say the launch would be at CEDIA...

hm, first day of IFA is over and i still don't see any photos


What do you want pictures of? If the dates hold, mine is available for delivery on Tuesday.

David

What are you getting delivered and from where?


KDS-R60XBR1 from goodguys. I was told that they are expecting 3 tomorrow. The earliest truck to my store is Tuesday.

hmm, the Qualia 006's 200W replacement lamp (XL5000) runs only $300; i would have to believe the lower wattage GW SXRD lamps will be less.

hmm, maybe the lamp replacement warranty would be even cheaper :-)

With the impending release of the Sony, JVC and LG LCoS sets later this year, so will most of the buying public. True there will be some very nice "faux" 1080p DLPs, but once Sony's marketing machine takes over with their 140M dollar ad campaign, they will hammer home the many DLP shortcomings of rainbows, headaches, color wheels and reliability questions.Sony plans to have a SXRD set strapped to the roof of each car in this weekends Sony HD 500 (http://www.californiaspeedway.com/) at California Speedway. Every NASCAR fan will run out and buy an SXRD or flat panel BRAVIA LCD from Sears next week. Buy now before they're sold out. :D

they did say the launch would be at CEDIA...

but then what is sony showing at the IFA? i mean it's the biggest consumer electronics show in the world... would make sens to show them there. well, maybe it's just a lag of news and they're standing there at the sony-booth.

What do you want pictures of? If the dates hold, mine is available for delivery on Tuesday.

David

screenshots, screenshots, screenshots, please!!! :D

The Sears price *is* list price...

Actually, the item pages are showing the two sets on sale through 9/3/05. The 60" is $4,749 and the 50" is $3,799. That's $250 and $200 below list, respectively. Now if only Best Buy had them in stock so I could price match Sears *and* use my Reward Zone card (the 60-incher will net me about $155 toward an XBOX360). Might have to visit a Best Buy B&M tomorrow just to double-check... :cool:

This may have been covered in other posts, so I apologize if this is repetitive.

I read on Crutchfield that the SXRD has 2 HDMI inputs, but both SONYSTYLE and SEARS say there is only 1 HDMI input. So which is it?

The copy of the owner's manual available on sonystyle shows two.

I sure hope there are 2 HDMIs.

but then what is sony showing at the IFA? i mean it's the biggest consumer electronics show in the world... would make sens to show them there. well, maybe it's just a lag of news and they're standing there at the sony-booth.

The Sony booth? Strangest booth I have ever seen from a major electronic company. The entire hall is covered with a lot of curtains hanging down from the ceiling to play and hide in. They also had some installations to climb on. This year Sony seems just to want to show that they are different and not push any other product than PSP.

I did anyway not find any info desk or a single product spec displayed among the curtains.

I sure hope there are 2 HDMIs.

The XS had 2 HDMIs. I can't imagine they would reduce the number of inputs for an upgraded model.

The Sony booth? Strangest booth I have ever seen from a major electronic company. The entire hall is covered with a lot of curtains hanging down from the ceiling to play and hide in. They also had some installations to climb on. This year Sony seems just to want to show that they are different and not push any other product than PSP.

I did anyway not find any info desk or a single product spec displayed among the curtains.

wow, that sounds really strange. i wonder why there is so less information from the IFA this year. usually they show something in the tv at least...

so no SXRDs at all?

hmm, maybe the lamp replacement warranty would be even cheaper :-)


You sure you dont need a ups... :o

KDS-R60XBR1 from goodguys. I was told that they are expecting 3 tomorrow. The earliest truck to my store is Tuesday.

Please confirm when they arrive. Pictures would be *great*. If they're shipping early, I may have an early birthday present. :D

IMO, a good UPS/surge protector is a very wise investment, bulb replacement warranty or not (even without reading the fine print!).

I'm new to this, and need help. I want to purchase the new KDS-R60XBR1 thinking it to be a 1080p capable TV. However, Sears is advertising it on their site with a native resolution of 1080i. I called and asked if this was a misprint and they told me, "no, the native resolution of this set is 1080i and not 1080p." I called Sony and they told me 1080p. Then I see it on JR's site and they're also advertising it with a native res of 1080i. So, does anyone know the true native resolution of this set, and how does one determine if a set is trully 1080p capable? I hope someone can aswer this for me as I wish to purchase a 1080p capable set. Thanks.

... does anyone know the true native resolution of this set, and how does one determine if a set is trully 1080p capable? I hope someone can aswer this for me as I wish to purchase a 1080p capable set. Thanks.

This tv is a native 1080p tv. It will upscale any source input to that res for your viewing pleasure. At this point from what we know the TV lacks 1080p inputs though, and thats been the side of a different argument. The truth is we are all waiting for final answers (a shipped product with absolute specs) but it looks at this point to lack the inputs. There is a VGA input and there is still a chance that will allow native 1080p source but that as well is an unknown until we get a final product (manual states 1280x1024 max but I wouldn't be surprised to find that wrong).

You sure you dont need a ups... :o
Then how about you enlighten all us idiots as to what you really do need? :rolleyes:

What protective/insurance gear would YOU recommend for a $12K HT? Am I really that mistaken to spend <$650 (about 5 1/2% of the value of my HT) on a unit that does true over/under voltage protection, measurable line conditioning, pure sine wave UPS (not "simulated" aka block/square wave), and can be combined with various other components for flexibility and specialty applications (unlike the Monster or MOV-based units)?

Zues, if you can recommend a better product for more or less money that has this feature set then I'm all ears...

Jason

Then how about you enlighten all us idiots as to what you really do need? :rolleyes:

What protective/insurance gear would YOU recommend for a $12K HT? Am I really that mistaken to spend <$650 (about 5 1/2% of the value of my HT) on a unit that does true over/under voltage protection, measurable line conditioning, pure sine wave UPS (not "simulated" aka block/square wave), and can be combined with various other components for flexibility and specialty applications (unlike the Monster or MOV-based units)?

Zues, if you can recommend a better product for more or less money that has this feature set then I'm all ears...

Jason

Jason --what have you decided to buy that does the above?

Roy

The Sears price *is* list price...

No it is NOT list price..it is 5% off to be exact.

Jason --what have you decided to buy that does the above?
I already own the Panamax 1500-UPS (http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?group=1&sec=detail&id=259&ly=h). I'm certainly no expert in the field (any field for that matter), but the Panamax seemed like the best all-in-one product for my needs. Of course, people like Tony and Zues will disagree, but that's because they're Monster fans, not because they know nothing about other products...after all, the selection is rather limited at BB and CC.

Jason

Who will be the first member to post a review.? The intrigue builds. I hope it doesn't go something like this. Just got my set and it looks awesome. Late night a work so I'll try to write more this weekend. If we get a post like this we need to ban together with tar and feathers :)

I've been harrassing my local dealer (Jesus) like a rash (Mary, is that you?) to try to nail him down (sorry, that wasn't intended) on an arrival date, but he still hasn't heard a definite timeframe from Sony (Soon Only Not Yet). I called another dealer that also carries the XBR brand, and they echoed the same...no word yet. Jesus keeps joking that I'll be taking my students (8th graders) on a "field trip" to the A/V shop the day the SXRDs arrive and then we'll have an in-home clinic on how to properly set up and configure your A/V gear. Either that or I'll simply call in sick (probably less paperwork).

Can't wait...

Jason

Who will be the first member to post a review?
I think it'll be Tele-TV...the dark horse who fools us with his naivete and good spirit and humor. :D

Jason

Who will be the first member to post a review.? The intrigue builds. I hope it doesn't go something like this. Just got my set and it looks awesome. Late night a work so I'll try to write more this weekend. If we get a post like this we need to ban together with tar and feathers :)



I have a date of 9/7, I am skeptical but won't mind a suprise.

I have a date of 9/7, I am skeptical but won't mind a suprise.

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Hey, why did the clock slow down?

I'm getting antsy. Is there an ointment for that?

I am about to pre-order a 60” from a local dealer. He has a five-year extended warranty for $429 that includes one bulb replacement and yearly cleanings. He says the yearly cleanings are necessary with these kinds of sets, and being included with the warranty makes this a great deal. There is no mention of yearly cleanings in the on-line Sony manual. Are yearly cleanings really necessary with these sets?

Who will be the first member to post a review.? The intrigue builds. I hope it doesn't go something like this. Just got my set and it looks awesome. Late night a work so I'll try to write more this weekend. If we get a post like this we need to ban together with tar and feathers :)

What's going to be difficult is separating the legitimate post from the trolls.

I am about to pre-order a 60” from a local dealer. He has a five-year extended warranty for $429 that includes one bulb replacement and yearly cleanings. He says the yearly cleanings are necessary with these kinds of sets, and being included with the warranty makes this a great deal. There is no mention of yearly cleanings in the on-line Sony manual. Are yearly cleanings really necessary with these sets?


Find another local dealer quickly...

Is there a way to display the signal strength of over the air HD channels on the Sony TVs?

I am about to pre-order a 60” from a local dealer. He has a five-year extended warranty for $429 that includes one bulb replacement and yearly cleanings. He says the yearly cleanings are necessary with these kinds of sets, and being included with the warranty makes this a great deal. There is no mention of yearly cleanings in the on-line Sony manual. Are yearly cleanings really necessary with these sets?

I have the Qualia 006 and have never heard about "yearly cleanings".

I have the Qualia 006 and have never heard about "yearly cleanings".
It's BS. It's nothing but a con to get you to buy the EW. It is recommended that you keep the back area of the TV clear of dust. That's it.

I'm new to this, and need help. I want to purchase the new KDS-R60XBR1 thinking it to be a 1080p capable TV. However, Sears is advertising it on their site with a native resolution of 1080i. I called and asked if this was a misprint and they told me, "no, the native resolution of this set is 1080i and not 1080p." I called Sony and they told me 1080p. Then I see it on JR's site and they're also advertising it with a native res of 1080i. So, does anyone know the true native resolution of this set, and how does one determine if a set is trully 1080p capable? I hope someone can aswer this for me as I wish to purchase a 1080p capable set. Thanks.

I think the confusion stems from the fact that 1080p is really not a resolution at all, it's a scan mode. The resolution is 1920 x 1080 which is the resolution of "true HD" . All signals are converted to 1080p in the display due to it's design.

As mentioned above, whether it will accept a 1080p signal is another issue yet to be resolved. The other thing that I think is looked over is that as long as it takes a 1080i signal, all it has to do is deinterlace it and no scaling is involved so it's still technically 1:1.

This should be the case with HD DVD/Blue-Ray.

It's BS. It's nothing but a con to get you to buy the EW. It is recommended that you keep the back area of the TV clear of dust. That's it.

I have not yet seen the inside of an SXRD set yet, but I assume the lens is pointed up diagonally toward the mirror. What happens is that dust gets on the inside of your set and settles on the lens. When this happens, it starts to diffuse the image a little. It might look like when you have a bright image on a black or dark screen, there will be brightness surrounding the image and not an entirely sharp image.

I currently have a CRT based set and open mine regularly. As part of the service I converge it and adjust greyscale as well. My set is around 8years old, and still looks pretty good for a SD analog set.

i thought only CRTs project their image on a mirror?!

i thought only CRTs project their image on a mirror?!

Rear projection is always based on using a mirror to reflect a signal onto the screen. The only exception is a custom rear projection room based on a front projector placed behind a special screen.

It can't do any harm to clean the lens once in a while, as well as the inside of the cabinet. Have you ever checked out the dust bunnies that collect inside a computer case after a few months? If there is air coming out of a set, whether through convection or a fan, there is air coming in. Where I live, Colorado, that air is bound to carry a lot of dust. Lew

oh, tanks for the explanation. i thought that all microdisplays project their image directly to the screen.

I am about to pre-order a 60” from a local dealer. He has a five-year extended warranty for $429 that includes one bulb replacement and yearly cleanings. He says the yearly cleanings are necessary with these kinds of sets, and being included with the warranty makes this a great deal. There is no mention of yearly cleanings in the on-line Sony manual. Are yearly cleanings really necessary with these sets?

If the 5 year extended warranty includes one bulb replacement - and you watch a lot of television - the $429 is a great deal. You will pay almost that amount to replace the bulb (which you will need to do within 5 years).

I'd also have them come over for the yearly cleaning. Ask them to dust the cabinet for you and send them on their way. :rolleyes:

I just got off the phone with tweeter of Dallas and they said their arrival date was around thanksgiving. And said that they really expect them around Christmas. Is this right? :eek:

I just got off the phone with tweeter of Dallas and they said their arrival date was around thanksgiving. And said that they really expect them around Christmas. Is this right? :eek:

Uhhhhh, no (LOL). :D Don't "do" this. Anytime anyone has a date to report about the SXRD, OTHER than September, than don't bother posting. :D Your bringing me down man! Your bringing me down man!

Even though I won't have an SXRD right away. Still can't wait to see them.

I just got off the phone with tweeter of Dallas and they said their arrival date was around thanksgiving. And said that they really expect them around Christmas. Is this right?

Very unlikely to be TRUE!

Crutchfields has been doing their Preorder for weeks with an unchanged 9/19 expected date.

Sonystyle is doing Preorders and Sears. Sony has not changed their plans and many other folks have reported Tweeters having them in September (Atlanta) per poster about a week ago.

TV's are being built and in production in Pittsburgh Tech Center and so there isn't any delay from there like we may wait for ones made in Japan/Korea.

CEDIA is this week and perhaps the ship dates will get firmed up. I've had a preorder at Crutch for 2 weeks now and the 9/19 date has not been changed.

We can hope you got someone going by what was thought about 2 months ago. Current news is Sept Ship Date. We Hope. :D

I just got off the phone with tweeter of Dallas and they said their arrival date was around thanksgiving. And said that they really expect them around Christmas. Is this right? :eek:It all depends how long the line is and when you get your spot :D

westa, I agree with you a delay is not likely. But I would not use Crutchfield in your argument. They have done things like take 2 months worth of orders in early 2005 for a BenQ LCD that still hasn't shipped in September... All the while claiming a March date.

I've been reading your posts for months as I have been researching which HDTV to buy. I was all set to buy the Samsung HLR6768 until I heard the announcement of the upcoming Sony SXRD.

I thought that I read that you had ordered the Samsung 67" or 71" TV a while ago. Did you change your mind from the Samsung to the Sony SXRD? If so, please tell me what were your deciding factors.

Thanks.

anyone in Sacramento know which stores carry XBR's? I only know of Fry's.

I am afraid the 60" SXRD will look tiny in my living room. :(

illafied

You can order one from either Crutchfields or Sears.

As to whether your local Sears store will have one on display any time soon, that would be an unknown. My local Sears did not show one of their July planagram, which only makes sense in that they haven't started shipping yet here in early September.

I already own the Panamax 1500-UPS (http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?group=1&sec=detail&id=259&ly=h). I'm certainly no expert in the field (any field for that matter), but the Panamax seemed like the best all-in-one product for my needs. Of course, people like Tony and Zues will disagree, but that's because they're Monster fans, not because they know nothing about other products...after all, the selection is rather limited at BB and CC.

Jason

Jason, I am not a Monster fan - just because I brought a few of
their cheap power conditioners does not make a Monster Fan. Where
have you seen me promote Monster products?

We were discussing UPS, not Monster UPS vrs. your UPS.

Buying a UPS is critical for data sensitive appliacations. Buying a UPS
to extend your lamp life is a frig'in joke. Espeically if you can extend
your manufacturers lamp warrany for a total of four years for $129.

Furthermore, in my opinion, I am not convinced the UPS does extend
extend bulb life since the bulb cools just fine without a fan :-)

Find another local dealer quickly...

The last thing I want is some moron coming to my house once a year
to"clean" my TV :-)

Furthermore, in my opinion, I am not convinced the UPS does extend
extend bulb life since the bulb cools just fine without a fan :-)

I kinda wondered about that too. Only thing that makes me think that you need the fan running is that through normal operation, once you turn the set off, the cooling fan continues to run for a while. I guess the reason for a UPS in part is so that you can keep the same turn off cycle. What bugs me is the concern that if there is no cool down cycle, are you toasting the SXRD/LCD chip or polarizers by allowing the set get hotter than it would if the fan was working.

I kinda wondered about that too. Only thing that makes me think that you need the fan running is that through normal operation, once you turn the set off, the cooling fan continues to run for a while. I guess the reason for a UPS in part is so that you can keep the same turn off cycle. What bugs me is the concern that if there is no cool down cycle, are you toasting the SXRD/LCD chip or polarizers by allowing the set get hotter than it would if the fan was working.

When the TV shuts off - it cools down. Some electronic systems need
a fan to keep cool while operating. I don't know of any Integrated Circuits
that require a fan to operate *after* they power down to increase their
life cycle.

When you shut the TV off - it cools down. Some electronic systems need
a fan to keep cool while operating. I don't know of any Integrated Circuits
that require a fan to operate *after* they power down to increase their
life cycle.


Would the bulb get hotter before cooling down. I do see what you mean, though.

Why do you think the manufacturer has the fan running after turning the set off?? More quickly convert the mercury in the bulb to a liquid state to allow for relighting??

Would the bulb get hotter before cooling down. I do see what you mean, though.

Why do you think the manufacturer has the fan running after turning the set off?? More quickly convert the mercury in the bulb to a liquid state to allow for relighting??

Related entirely to the lamp. Yes, to decrease the time it takes to power
the set back up. How many of us would complain if it took 10 minutes to
for the picture to come back on if we accidently shut it off during the
Super Bowl :-)

C-Shift I thought that I read that you had ordered the Samsung 67" or 71" TV a while ago. Did you change your mind from the Samsung to the Sony SXRD? If so, please tell me what were your deciding factors.
Why I chose the Sony SXRD rather than the Samsung DLP?

1. Cumulative Reports of swapped out sets, bad HDMI’s, and poor packaging reports by owners. Let’s face it if the manufacturers know the history of the shippers of their products they need to spend a few more bucks protecting these giants and pass on the costs – common sense tells you everyone loses by going the cheap way in shipping. Poor handling should be assumed and then protections built in to prevent and according to reports on this forum many have been poorly protected and unnecessary exchanges resulted in inconvenience and expense that otherwise could’ve been avoided. Let’s give up a portion of that profit margin to protect the sets Samsung and you’ll save far more money and improve QC.

2. Gaming – I enjoy passing the winter months doing XBOX and while I’m nearly 55 I really enjoy FPS, Halo, Serious Sam, and then Burnout 3 and many others. I simply couldn’t risk whether this would be corrected with X360 as I never had game lag on my Sony with Xbox. This became one piece of being a deal breaker. Considering Sony is debuting their own PS3 early next year I would place my money on Sony that they will ensure Lag is not an issue.

3. Personal Positive Ownership History with Sony TV’s – Going back well over 20 years. I’ve owned 4 different SONY models and never received a defect and they went a minimum 8 years before any service was required. I presently own Sharp LCD FP, which is a fantastic set at 32”. I also have a Sony 23” LCD for the Kitchen and it is great also and does SD well as it gets a direct coax feed and no STB.

4. SXRD was original choice in January 2005 – The Qualia 006 was supposed to debut originally as a Consumer SXRD from the press releases from CEDIA 9/2004 and was to debut before the Super Bowl at under $10K and then they switched the plan to Qualia and $13K I could not take a mortgage on a TV (I can afford to do it but I won’t). We’d thought SXRD would not be available until Nov/Dec and I did not want to go through football season waiting so my choice based upon PQ was Samsung 1080P. However, for the aforementioned reasons plus the price target is much lower than I expected that has now changed. I’m certain PQ of SXRD will meet/exceed in many areas. I view a lot of HD and HD is fantastic on most TV’s and Sony is known for doing SD better than most.

5. I agree the Samsung has an awesome PQ, which is one major component to owner/viewer experience – however perhaps Samsung rushes so many things to market that the QC suffers – and the attention to details of the other pieces of the transaction we as customers live through. I’m confident I’ll also have an awesome PQ but the other concerns will be addressed by a production crew in the good old USA. The Japanese have a way of bringing their QC and assembly process to the US and refining them with American workers – these will be produced in Pittsburgh and Sony has to much at stake to risk anything inferior. I believe the American Worker has the competencies/education, look at BMW, Honda Accord, Toyota Camry and others. From the feedback from owners those Donkeys need a bit more protection for those Samsungs to arrive in proper condition from Mexico.

6. RBE Concerns on the Samsung – I haven’t seen them but my wife has never shopped with me for a TV and she could plus her viewing includes a lot of old movies on AMC and Turner Classics in Black/White. All I need is to come home from work and have her bitch that she’s getting headaches as B/W contrasts make RBE much more evident. I know – what about SDE on the Sony? I don’t see it happening on an SXRD and haven’t seen it reported on the Qualia Thread.

7. Sony costs more and no PB – Why? Yes, the PB is a great deal and I won’t have a chance at a free TV but I’ve never won anything anyways. Too me it’s worth the extra $1200 for the SXRD my budget can handle it where I chose not to with the $13K Qualia.

8. The number of attacks I received for posting reviews of the Samsung when all I was trying to do was be helpful to fellow members that wanted PQ reviews separate from the discussion area that is volumes deep of redundancy. I never said it was better than A, B, or C Brand I was impressed with the comments of the reviewers. The FACTS are that I love many different TV’s – Pioneer Elite 61” and Panasonic Onyx 65” Fujitsu Plasma’s and the Sharp 65” LCD FP but then we’re back in the Qualia budget range or higher from authorized dealers. To me the Samsung is still a great bargain and will become an even better bargain in the future as competition comes along and if my budget were limited at that range it would be my choice but I can take it up a notch to the Sony SXRD.

I believe we're winners with either but all things being equal I choose the positive consumer experience I've had with Sony even with the Dumbo ears and feedback from Qualia owners has been overwhelmingly positive - to me the SXRD will match or exceed the PQ of the Samsung but I don't care to make it a better than TV or bash anyone elses choices - just based upon cumulative feedback of postings by Samsung 1080P owners made me decide I would pony up the extra cash for 60" SXRD. :)

illafied

You can order one from either Crutchfields or Sears.

As to whether your local Sears store will have one on display any time soon, that would be an unknown. My local Sears did not show one of their July planagram, which only makes sense in that they haven't started shipping yet here in early September.
yeah i saw that you can order from them but i would like to check it out in person before i decide to buy.

anyone in Sacramento getting one locally?

Jason, I am not a Monster fan - just because I brought a few of
their cheap power conditioners does not make a Monster Fan. Where
have you seen me promote Monster products?

We were discussing UPS, not Monster UPS vrs. your UPS.

Buying a UPS is critical for data sensitive appliacations. Buying a UPS
to extend your lamp life is a frig'in joke. Espeically if you can extend
your manufacturers lamp warrany for a total of four years for $129.

Furthermore, in my opinion, I am not convinced the UPS does extend
extend bulb life since the bulb cools just fine without a fan :-)


you apparently should read up on uhd bulbs...it isn't just for the bulb either, the over/under voltage benefits your electronics, etc.

some might say getting an extended warranty is a joke (read your fine print)...but these are personal decisions which shouldn't be criticized by others.

Westa, we expect a full review with pictures, ASAP, after you receive your set!

I was in a local A/V shop on Sat. 9/3 and I asked the owner about the new SXRD sets. He stated that he was told by Sony that the sets would start shipping on SEPTEMBER 5TH! After my jaw dropped, I asked him if he was sure about the date. He stated that he was sure about what Sony told him. 9/5/05!

Well, lets just see about that. LOL! The 5th is actually Labor Day. Maybe they will actually ship on 9/6. :rolleyes: I saw the 70inch Qualia at CES in January and recently saw it again at two local dealers. The set is literally the best RPTV I have ever seen. It's perfect. LOL! :D

If the new 60 and 50 inch are any where close to the quality of the Qualia, I am in! ;)

See ya!

"I believe we're winners with either but all things being equal I choose the positive consumer experience I've had with Sony even with the Dumbo ears and feedback from Qualia owners has been overwhelmingly positive - to me the SXRD will match or exceed the PQ of the Samsung but I don't care to make it a better than TV or bash anyone elses choices - just based upon cumulative feedback of postings by Samsung 1080P owners made me decide I would pony up the extra cash for 60" SXRD"

Westa6969, I don't understand your logic. You are buying a product that has not been released and assuming it is better than a product that has been released. I am not saying that this product may not be better than the Samsung, but Sony has had more than its share with quality control problems.

you apparently should read up on uhd bulbs...it isn't just for the bulb either, the over/under voltage benefits your electronics, etc.

some might say getting an extended warranty is a joke (read your fine print)...but these are personal decisions which shouldn't be criticized by others.

Ben, You are really stretching here regarding the UPS. If you need to rationalize
your purchase go for it, but I am not buying it :-) I have been involved in
the design of electronics, some of which have a life cycle of 20 years, under worst
case industrial conditions ( much worst than the typical commerical conditions
your TV will be experiencing in the comfort of your living room) - and a UPS
has never been required.

I agree with you regarding the purchasing of an extended warranty. I have
never purchased an extended warranty. The only company I would
ever purchase an extended warranty from is Visa Plantanim. I
already get a extra year for free and have never kept a TV for two years but
for the same price of an extended warranty I would have three additional
years that *matches* the manufacturers warranty.

What I would purchase though is a $129 3 additional year transferrable lamp
warranty ( which I got "free" when I purchased my Samsung at an already heavily
discounted price ) which covers up to two bulb replacements a year.

Best regards,

Tony

I looked on Sony Style to see if the lamp for the new sxrd sets was listed yet and it is but not priced yet. The lamp for the previous xbr 60 and 70 in was listed and was a 120w lamp as is the sxrd. The price is $199 for the old xbr and it looks similar--do you think that the price will be the same? Price on the lamp would have some bearing on the decision to purchase a extended warranty or not.

Roy

Thanks for taking the time to give such a detailed response. I understand and agree with your reasoning. I am also awaiting the arrival of the Sony 60" SXRD's.

PaulGo: Westa6969, I don't understand your logic.

I regret that it's my logic and you absolutely don't have to agree - if the detailed response I gave fails to present my logic then I give up - I have 20+ Positive years with Sony and never received a faulty set and read the Qualia thread. Again, you don't have to agree but it's my money and my risk - I'm not trying to sway anyone in any other direction but what their own buying decision factors may be. I only posted the reasons because I've had many people question my switch in buying decision.

The long delay of the 6768 afforded me the opportunity to re-evaluate and change my mind (Serendipity) as others may do and I hope everyone that gets a Samsung 1080P has a positive experience. But I wouldn't take it all that serious - this is a TV not a religion or political party it's home entertainment and consumer buying decision and nothing more - especially in light of Hurricane Katrina tragedy and our Troops over in Iraq I thank God I survived the Vietnam experience and can simply spend my money for a great Home Theater experience and have some surplus income to help others in need - am I expecting the Holy Grail? No - but I expect an awesome HT Experience whether it's the best n the planet does not matter to me at all - I'm confident it'll be the best I'll be watching in my home - I'm currently watching the US Open in HD on my 32" Sharp FP an it's awesome and I expect that to go to another level at 60" on the SXRD. Is there a losing scenario here short of getting a defective set? Not for me.

I gave 8 paragraphs of detailed reasons how is that not enough logic? If that doesn't present enough then there is nothing else I can offer and I dispute the statements that Sony Qualia has had QC issues as I've read that thread since February and I've seen no such history of negatives - quite the contrary. SXRD is proven through Qualia. Have a good day! :)

The Sears site says the XBR1 inputs 480I, 480P, 720P and 1080I. It goes on to say that the set has a Progressive Scan Doubler.

"The Progressive Scan Doubler is a built in feature and is used to display a full frame of video in 1/60th of a second. Essentially, it de-interlaces the incoming video signal and progressively scans the image. With progressive scanning, you generally won't see the horizontal scan lines that are sometimes visible in ordinary television images."

I take this to mean that 480I will be displayed as 480P and 1080I will be displayed as 1080P. Further, I believe that 480P will be displayed as 480P and 720P will be displayed as 720P. I see no reason to believe that anything other than 1080I will be displayed as 1080P.

Comments? .................. or am I only pointing out the obvious?

The Sears site says the XBR1 inputs 480I, 480P, 720P and 1080I. It goes on to say that the set has a Progressive Scan Doubler.

"The Progressive Scan Doubler is a built in feature and is used to display a full frame of video in 1/60th of a second. Essentially, it de-interlaces the incoming video signal and progressively scans the image. With progressive scanning, you generally won't see the horizontal scan lines that are sometimes visible in ordinary television images."

I take this to mean that 480I will be displayed as 480P and 1080I will be displayed as 1080P. Further, I believe that 480P will be displayed as 480P and 720P will be displayed as 720P. I see no reason to believe that anything other than 1080I will be displayed as 1080P.

Comments? .................. or am I only pointing out the obvious?

Everything in a fixed pixel display will be displayed at the display's native rate
which in the case of the Sony XBR SXRDs is 1080p60fps. 480i, 480p,
720P, and 1080i will all be displayed at 1080p.

According to this report, Blu-ray recorder will output 1080p.

"Samsung also showcases the BD-P1000 Blu-Ray disc player, which supports playback of HD video (1920x1080p), features an interactive HD graphics menu and improved HD subtitles."


http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=14895

Interestingly, Samsung also talking about "Current target of the company is to be ready for a super-combo recorder, capable of recording on both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD media."

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Why do you think the manufacturer has the fan running after turning the set off?? [/QUOTE]

Probably to help the bulb from peaple turning there tv on as soon as they turn it off... I dont think the bulb is totally cool after the fan shuts off, just helps it...

Then how about you enlighten all us idiots as to what you really do need? :rolleyes:

What protective/insurance gear would YOU recommend for a $12K HT? Am I really that mistaken to spend <$650 (about 5 1/2% of the value of my HT) on a unit that does true over/under voltage protection, measurable line conditioning, pure sine wave UPS (not "simulated" aka block/square wave),...

Zues, if you can recommend a better product for more or less money that has this feature set then I'm all ears...

Jason

Im not trying to recommend a "better" product, just saying i think a Ups is not needed, thats all... As far as Pure sine wave are you sure the panamax is? I diddnt think Pure sine wave products had joule ratings...

Also ive read that pure sine waves, brickwalls, can degrade, compress your audio... ? Im no expert at anything either, but i would make damn sure i wasent "degrading" my system...

The Sears site says: "............and a native 1080i resolution .............." The Sony site says, "native resolution 1920 x 1080."

I can imagine 1920 x 1080 pixels being used to form a picture, but it is difficult to imagine a 720 broadcast being transformed by a television set into a REAL 1080 picture. In other words it is hard to see how a set can create 360 lines of resolution that ain't there to start with. ................ Will broadcasts or dvds that are 480 will be displayed at 1080? ........... I don't think so! .......... Why, then, would 720 be displayed at 1080?

Obviously, deinterlacing will take place, but it seems doubtful that lines of resolution will be added.

The Sears site says: "............and a native 1080i resolution .............." The Sony site says, "native resolution 1920 x 1080."

I can imagine 1920 x 1080 pixels being used to form a picture, but it is difficult to imagine a 720 broadcast being transformed by a television set into a REAL 1080 picture. In other words it is hard to see how a set can create 360 lines of resolution that ain't there to start with. ................ Will broadcasts or dvds that are 480 will be displayed at 1080? ........... I don't think so! .......... Why, then, would 720 be displayed at 1080?

Obviously, deinterlacing will take place, but it seems doubtful that lines of resolution will be added.

Sears site is wrong, it displays 1080 progressive. All lower resolutions
are upconverted to 1080p.

Any idea of where the extra 360 lines of resolution (picture information) come from, Tony? ............... Also, will 480 be displayed as 1080?

Any idea of where the extra 360 lines of resolution (picture information) come from, Tony? ............... Also, will 480 be displayed as 1080?

A process of interpolation, that is an algorithm is used which basically takes
the information of neighboring pixels and interpolates what the color
would be had there been a pixel inbetween. Don't expect a good
quality 480i source to be anything close to a good quality 1080i source
since the detail is not there in the orginal but many people report that
the interpolated image looks as good or better than the original to them.

Any idea of where the extra 360 lines of resolution (picture information) come from, Tony? ............... Also, will 480 be displayed as 1080?

Any input, regardless of resolution, whether it be 480i or 480p, 720p or 1080i, will be displayed 1080p. I can't go into the technical details of how its done, but I will say that the Qualia does a HECK of a great job doing it, so who cares how it gets the lines, it looks awesome :D

You really shouldn't rely on the Sears website for information, their information on this television is wrong. Stick with us, we know a lot more :D

OK. I'm rolling the dice on a new Sony SXRD 60" set. I just pe-ordered my set with a delivery date of 9-27-05. We shall see. I hope this set is close to the Qualia and not a dog. The set is non-refundable. My fingers are crossed on this one.

OK, in reality I pretty much knew what Tony said, but I assumed that one of you folks would state it better than I could. I'm glad that Tony referred to the process of interpolation. That is indeed what goes on and involves more than color, it involves the picture detail. Therefore, the resulting 1080 display will not be TRUE 1080. From all that I have read on the forum website, it is this interpolation (among other things) that makes a 480 picture bad on a higher resolution (pixel) tv set. The interpolation fills a lot of space on a large screen, high resolution set.

Which brings me to the point. An interpolated 1080 is probably going to be very good, but not as good as when using a 1080 source. The 720 sources are still only 720. An excellent internal or external scaler will probably provide an improvement, but I can't imagine that true videophiles will consider the display 1080. ........... Better than 720, perhaps, but interpolation cannot duplicate actual. .............. The 480 won't even come close to 720, let alone 1080, but the claim can be made because of "interpolation."

The deinterlacing of 480I and expecially 1080I is the great thing the new sets will offer.

OK. I'm rolling the dice on a new Sony SXRD 60" set. I just pe-ordered my set with a delivery date of 9-27-05. We shall see. I hope this set is close to the Qualia and not a dog. The set is non-refundable. My fingers are crossed on this one.


Why is it non-refundable??

That is indeed what goes on and involves more than color, it involves the picture detail. Therefore, the resulting 1080 display will not be TRUE 1080. From all that I have read on the forum website, it is this interpolation (among other things) that makes a 480 picture bad on a higher resolution (pixel) tv set. The interpolation fills a lot of space on a large screen, high resolution set.


All that a single pixel can display is a color; picture detail is a function of the
arrangment of color pixels, the size of the pixel, and the space between
each pixel.

A large number of people in the video processor forum would disagree with
you in that a 480 picture has to look worse on a fixed pixel higher resolution
display. In general, a good source fed to a good video processor will look
better than the original source to most people.

"I gave 8 paragraphs of detailed reasons how is that not enough logic? If that doesn't present enough then there is nothing else I can offer and I dispute the statements that Sony Qualia has had QC issues as I've read that thread since February and I've seen no such history of negatives - quite the contrary. SXRD is proven through Qualia. Have a good day!"

The new Sony SXRDs are different from the Qualia. They use a smaller SXRD chip and probably different components. It is possible that the quality of the new Sony SXRDs are the same or better than the Qualia but that remains to be proven. My reference to Sony quality dealt with the LCD rear projection line which initialy had severe quality problems. I do hope the new Sony SXRDs are good, but again that remains to be proven.

Would what be more insane????

I left a big hole in my cabinetry for my next generation TV. Currently I have a 50" plasma sitting there. I need a 60" set for the size of the room

Once I saw all these 1080 sets coming out - ok great.

Although I haven't seen the Sony, in the last model group the Sony was by far my favorite.
I wasn't too jazzed with the Samsung. So I'm thinking ok - Sony 60". It will be built into the cabinetry (I have venting to manage the heat).

WHOA. I saw the posts about the dumbo speaker ears. Oh no! My space is 64" wide and the set is 66". I re-read the posts and they aren't removable.

So - what would be more stupid:

1. Taking a sawzall to the ears and doing a speaker-ectomy?
2. Buying a mitsubishi because it will fit?

Assuming I could get six years or so of service out of it, I wouldn't really care of later I couldn't sell it or whatever.

Dang! JustBob.

JustBob

If you didn't intend for some cabinet doors to close off the TV, you could lay the TV in there such that the speakers are just on the outside of the cabinet. I don't think its any more than a couple of inches depth on the "ears". Can someone comment on the depth of the ears.

In follow-up to your last posting, Tony.

I suppose that with a black and white picture it is the arrangement of gradations of gray shown by each fixed pixel that create the detail to the picture. Still, the more lines of resolution the better, wouldn't you say? (Isn't the size of each pixel and the space between each pixel fixed?)

As to your last point that a 480 picture on a fixed pixel higher resolution display might look better than the original source, ................................. does the word "horrible" ring any bells when considering the reports of other posters? ...................... It sure would be wonderful if I can expect as good a picture as I get now when I move from my Sony analog to a new Sony SXRD!

In follow-up to your last posting, Tony.

I suppose that with a black and white picture it is the arrangement of gradations of gray shown by each fixed pixel that create the detail to the picture. Still, the more lines of resolution the better, wouldn't you say? (Isn't the size of each pixel and the space between each pixel fixed?)

As to your last point that a 480 picture on a fixed pixel higher resolution display might look better than the original source, ................................. does the word "horrible" ring any bells when considering the reports of other posters? ...................... It sure would be wonderful if I can expect as good a picture as I get now when I move from my Sony analog to a new Sony SXRD!


Yes, all else being equal I would expect everyone to prefer a picture
from a higher resolution source. On a given display, the size of the pixel and
the space between is fixed.

The better and larger the screen, the greater chance that SD will look
worse. DVDs will look awesome on the Sony SXRDs. I wouldn't count
on satellite SD feeds to look as good as your Sony analog set. The bigger
and better the display, the more noticable everything is. The good, the bad,
and the ugly...

In follow-up to your last posting, Tony.

I suppose that with a black and white picture it is the arrangement of gradations of gray shown by each fixed pixel that create the detail to the picture. Still, the more lines of resolution the better, wouldn't you say? (Isn't the size of each pixel and the space between each pixel fixed?)

As to your last point that a 480 picture on a fixed pixel higher resolution display might look better than the original source, ................................. does the word "horrible" ring any bells when considering the reports of other posters? ...................... It sure would be wonderful if I can expect as good a picture as I get now when I move from my Sony analog to a new Sony SXRD!

It's all a question of how well the interpolating process is performed. It's obvious that it's always preferable to display something at its native resolution, but that's of course impossible, particularly in this case. Sony has a rather good track record as far as internal processing goes. It's very possible that external scalers would be better than the actual TV. We'll see.

I don't know if one can say it looks better than the original after upscaling, but one would expect a decent scaler to provide at least an equal quality to that of the input signal. The process is more complicated than simply multiplying the original pixels, so there certainly is room for scalers of various quality. Time will tell if the SXRDs disappoint or not.