Sony SXRD 50" and 60" - Oct/Nov [Text View] - Page 18

Tele-TV

09-23-05, 08:42 PM

There was this little "blurb" :) I forgot to mention a couple of days ago. A few days ago at work, back BY the dumpster was a A10 55" box :D . I was tempted to take a part of the box home (a part that said Grand Wega) JUST because. A sign that I should get the A10, nah (NO offense to anyone with an A10, or A20 for that matter; BUT I thought it was just "funny"). :)

So besides the A10 cardboard box, I was just watching the "Wedding Singer" and asked my mom if she liked the movie. She said she likes Jim Carrey (over Adam Sandler) better. Then I see a commercial for the "Truman Show" on TNT. Footage they ran on the SXRD at CEDIA which I believe has a clip of Jim standing next to a car is from the film/movie, the Truman Show (of course I saw this pic thanks to you kind guys who took pics of the TV). Okay, I'll shut up now. :)

Come on! 50". Hit that $3,000 mark :D (I know in the past I said $3,500). But if I didn't have to buy the stand, then $3,500 wouldn't be SO bad. And remember, don't think of your TV purchase as in the thousands, think of it in the "hundreds" (i.e. $3,500 = thirty-five hundred [dollars]). : )

Tele-TV

09-23-05, 08:48 PM

I purchased the KDS-R60XBR1 and it is scheduled to be delivered at my house on Monday Sept. 26. The shipper contacted me to schedule delivery already. They reportedly have it on their truck and are on the way. :)

Can't wait to read your review/hear your opions. I think a web cam showing you testing/playing with the TV is in order. :D

Bombthroat

09-23-05, 09:33 PM

I hope no one will be to disapointed with my "review" as it will be extremely subjective. I've been lurking around these boards for quite a while and had the opportunity to see a Qualia 006 when I was in Vegas earlier this year (blown away wouldn't even begin to describe my feeling). I know this set is not a Qualia but then again, neither is the price. Having said that, this will be my first HDTV set. I haven't been much of a TV tweeker in the past, but I'm guessing continued patronage of this board will change that.

I have a digital camera but I'm not a shutter bug. I'll try to get the best pictures I can and post them up here after I get the set.

I'm extremely excited to be getting this set and can't wait for the HD cable as well as Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. I'm guessing I'll be spending quite a bit more time using the TV than I have in the past.

As for where I purchased the set from, Sunshine Electronics (I hope that doesn't break any rules by listing that, if so, Mods, feel free to edit). They are based in New York and I have a friend who ordered a Samaung DLP through them and received excellent service. The price was good as well.

I'll try to keep everyone updated as Monday comes to pass. I hope the set is really coming and this isn't some kind of cruel joke from higher powers to get me excited for nothing.

I do have to work on Monday though and am only given the flex time to be home for the delivery, then I have to head back to work (sometimes it's downright inconvenient to not be independently wealthy). Oh well, I'll post something on Monday after I get it setup and spend a little time with it. It probably won't be until Monday evening EST at the earliest.

Sorry for the long winded reply.

Edit: I just wanted to add, this board has been invaluable during my quest for an HDTV. The people and information found on this forum are all top notch. I'd like to say, "Thanks!" to everyone here who contributes to make this community a cut-above the rest.

maximum360

09-23-05, 09:44 PM

Nice. The pic I posted earlier came from their website (the one with the box).

I wish their was similar store local. I would get Sears to pricematch.

westa6969

09-23-05, 10:50 PM

BombThreat As for where I purchased the set from, Sunshine Electronics
I don't mean to burst your bubble in any way but I checked out the SXRD offered by Sunshine. I know they've been a power seller with high ratings on Ebay so there are some positives there.

They insisted they had them available and I questioned how that was possible when the SonyStyle Stores can't get them? I found that not making much sense.

I then did a search on resellerratings.com of their history. They had a mixture of both positive and negative but there ratings are much better than most. However, what hit me most were the customer complaints of being informed they had items in stock and then having to wait 6 weeks for delivery and many people rated them as the rudest and most difficult to people to get through to.

They had a mixture of positive and negative - I held back because I don't trust that they do have them in stock as it makes no sense that the major players can't get them yet these guys in NY could and yes they are one of those dealers mentioned with the Brooklyn and Coney Island dealers that have a history of inflating after purchase pricing and delay shipments. I'm not saying you won't end up with your set but you may get caught in one of those bait purchases when inventory does not exist. We'll anxiously await your response. Perhaps they've got a Tony Soprano connection that's directed some inventory their way to the Badda Bing! We're hoping it's legit though. :D

tonydeluce

09-23-05, 10:55 PM

BombThreat
I don't mean to burst your bubble in any way but I checked out the SXRD offered by Sunshine. I know they've been a power seller with high ratings on Ebay so there are some positives there.

They insisted they had them available and I questioned how that was possible when the SonyStyle Stores can't get them? I found that not making much sense.

I then did a search on resellerratings.com of their history. They had a mixture of both positive and negative but there ratings are much better than most. However, what hit me most were the customer complaints of being informed they had items in stock and then having to wait 6 weeks for delivery and many people rated them as the rudest and most difficult to people to get through to.

They had a mixture of positive and negative - I held back because I don't trust that they do have them in stock as it makes no sense that the major players can't get them yet these buys in NY could and yes they are one of those dealers mentioned with the Brooklyn and Coney Island dealers that have a history of inflating after purchase pricing and delay shipments. I'm not saying you won't end up with your set but you may get caught in one of those bait purchases when inventory does not exist. We'll anxiously await your response. Perhaps they've got a Tony Soprano connection that's directed some inventory their way to the Badda Bing! We're hoping it's legit though. :D

I have bought a few items from ShopSunshine ( nothing like a RP TV though :-)
and it always arrived on time and in great shape...

They actually have store so they may actually have them in stock...

Badda Bing Badda Bang...

flashgordon333

09-23-05, 11:26 PM

BombThreat
I don't mean to burst your bubble in any way but I checked out the SXRD offered by Sunshine. I know they've been a power seller with high ratings on Ebay so there are some positives there.

They insisted they had them available and I questioned how that was possible when the SonyStyle Stores can't get them? I found that not making much sense.

I then did a search on resellerratings.com of their history. They had a mixture of both positive and negative but there ratings are much better than most. However, what hit me most were the customer complaints of being informed they had items in stock and then having to wait 6 weeks for delivery and many people rated them as the rudest and most difficult to people to get through to.

They had a mixture of positive and negative - I held back because I don't trust that they do have them in stock as it makes no sense that the major players can't get them yet these guys in NY could and yes they are one of those dealers mentioned with the Brooklyn and Coney Island dealers that have a history of inflating after purchase pricing and delay shipments. I'm not saying you won't end up with your set but you may get caught in one of those bait purchases when inventory does not exist. We'll anxiously await your response. Perhaps they've got a Tony Soprano connection that's directed some inventory their way to the Badda Bing! We're hoping it's legit though. :D

Better than safe than sorry I always say. Many of those guys will tell you anything to get your credit card numbers. Just make sure they do not run before you get a shipping confirm. Obviously. It does seem VERY suspicious that they would have them in stock though.

gweempose

09-23-05, 11:43 PM

There is no way they have them in stock. I am virtually positive that they are flat out lying.

maximum360

09-24-05, 12:01 AM

They're good for a price match though. :D

gazelle

09-24-05, 12:15 AM

There is no way they have them in stock. I am virtually positive that they are flat out lying.

Obviously they are full of it. They no more have them in stock than the man in the moon if all the major wholesalers and dealers on the East Coast aren't expecting delivery before October 13th at the earliest. A friend of mine who runs a major national chain played a cute game with some of these BS outfits last year in a similar situation where they claimed a set that hadn't been released or shipped yet was "in stock". He was getting a few complaints from irate customers who wanted to know how all these schlocky little etailers had these sets in stock and a giant outfit like his didn't. He didn't want to go into the usual diatribe he used against etailers: they never have anything in stock. They charge your credit card, call the wholesaler they deal with, place an order, have the product "drop shipped" to you by the wholesaler or a trucker they hire and the difference between what they charge you and what they pay out is their profit. They never even see or touch the product. He had a few of his people contact these "in stock" etailers, ascertain that they were positive the product was in stock and when they swore up and down that they had it in their "warehouses", made them an offer they couldn't refuse; they offered to place an order for the so-called "in stock" set and pay 3 TIMES the price the etailer was asking! As long as the seller would sign a contract stating that they would guarantee delivery of the set within 10 days and if they failed to deliver in 10 days the order would be cancelled and the seller would be liable for a penalty equal to the stated selling price of the product posted on their website to be paid to the purchaser. Needless to say, not one of these etailers claiming to have the merchandise "in stock" in their "warehouse" would agree tom these terms. Pretty good deal to get 3 to 1 odds on something you claimed to have - if you actually had it. Of course he knew they didn't. He notified the governing authorities afterward and one or two of these sites disappeared after a while, but the rest still remained. Even if you get one shut down, three more pop up in it's place run by the same people. always check out some place like reseller ratings before making a substantial internet purchase - and don't fall for the scam that some outfits pull by putting up 20-50 "excellent" feedbacks. I would be just as suspicious of an outfit that rated very highly with less than 100 referrals as i would one who had low ratings with 1,000 referrals. The amount of referrals counts as much as the quality. Stick with etailers who rank highly in quality of referrals and also have many hundreds or even thousands of referrals and your chances of getting burnt will be diminished greatly.

1080p4me

09-24-05, 12:27 AM

So would this be any different finished quality than the SXRD taking 1080i/60 content and performing it's own 3:2 pulldown internally? Where would you be finding a 1080p/24 or 30 source? An external scaler that is doing the same thing the SXRD does internally?

BTW, thanks for the link.

This might be the first compatibility listing (Rear Projection) of a less known progressive transport format.

Apparently there are two transport methods for Progressive content at or below 30 Frame/sec.
Regular Progressive (P) and Progressive Segmented Frame (PsF).

The official designation of Progressive Segmented Frame is found in ITU-R BT 709.

Systems that will be compatible will accept an Interlaced signal that includes two Fields of which contain a complete Progressive Frame at a frequency equal to twice the original frame rate.

1080p24PsF would be transported via a 1080i48 signal in the same way regular interlaced content is with the exception of the fact that each field is made from the same Frame. The resultant image would consist of two fields of which contain the original progressive frame. This resultant progressive frame could then be displayed at 24 Frames/sec or equal multiples of (48,72) in order to preserve original frame/sec timing.

The Progressive Segmented Frame format provides for a closer to original reproduction of 1080p24 Frame/Sec content without the Judder associated with 3:2 Pulldown formats @ 60Hz. The format should also be less taxing to the Video Processor and in turn less prone to errors.

Your display would need to be able to display at either 24/48/72 Hz to achieve optimal results.

Sometimes Manufactures indicate 1080p24 without the Segmented Frame identifiers (PsF) or (sF).

If Fixed Display Manufacturers are able to accept and display one of the multiple frame rates, the Progressive Segmented Frame format has the potential to lessen the need for 1080p60 Inputs as it could deliver (1080p24 and 1080p30) over (1080i48 and 1080i60) inputs.

You have to wonder about the sources though……

hadleyfarm

09-24-05, 12:47 AM

The internet sales prices for the SXRD sets are looking very tempting. Would appreciate some insight are pros & cons of purchasing a 60" via etail - seems all stores (local & etail) offer separate extended warranty packages through third party companies - what am I missing?

hadleyfarm

09-24-05, 12:48 AM

ABhatnagar

09-24-05, 02:04 AM

I purchased the KDS-R60XBR1 and it is scheduled to be delivered at my house on Monday Sept. 26. The shipper contacted me to schedule delivery already. They reportedly have it on their truck and are on the way. :)

You are one of 47 that has ordered the set...so first let me start by saying congrats!

I too ordered one and was told 50 are made in there one and only plant in New Stanton, PA and due to arrive on Sept 26th then be shipped out on a first come first serve basis. There are currently 47 orders in for these sets leaving only 3 available. The west cost is expected to receive the next set of manufactured TV's.

These are the facts as I understand them directly from the Sony inventory tracking system.

Thanks,
Arv

CarlosP

09-24-05, 02:33 AM

Since Sony has dropped the Qualia line and this is most likely a planned move I would guess that they will have a new cabinet for the SXRD line and will have a 50-60- 70in set out early next year as they won't want to be without a 70 to sell and will have a new and improved look for all. Might be a good time to add a 1080p hdmi input?
What do you all think?

Roy

Sony won't drop its Qualia line, at least in U.S.
Sony will keep its scheduled release of Qualia products, such as the 005.
They will not develop new ones.
As per their last updated PR.

avsscientist

09-24-05, 02:55 AM

Bottom line! So is the SXRD "better" (in terms of PQ) than the 1080p DLPs coming out right now, period?!

since SXRD is "true" HD but 1080p DLPs are wobbulating chips?

Will the lack of 1080p via HDMI on these SXRD sets present a problem?

Lord Ace Man

09-24-05, 03:05 AM

The internet sales prices for the SXRD sets are looking very tempting. Would appreciate some insight re: pros & cons of purchasing a 60" via etail - seems all stores (local & etail) offer separate extended warranty packages through third party companies - what am I missing?

Just do it. You can save a bundle. Don't forget to share your experience with the forum and with a major credit card. You can dispute the item So how can you go wrong. Everyone's buying something online these days. Just pick one that your comfortable with and has high feed back.

snatch

09-24-05, 03:18 AM

In past years some Sony televisions were assembled in Mexico.

And many still are.

rlb

09-24-05, 08:22 AM

You are one of 47 that has ordered the set...so first let me start by saying congrats!

I too ordered one and was told 50 are made in there one and only plant in New Stanton, PA and due to arrive on Sept 26th then be shipped out on a first come first serve basis. There are currently 47 orders in for these sets leaving only 3 available. The west cost is expected to receive the next set of manufactured TV's.

These are the facts as I understand them directly from the Sony inventory tracking system.

Thanks,
Arv

Arv, I presume you are talking about SonyStyle orders. Is that correct? Hope so, because as I've said before, I ordered one from them on 8/16. They sure didn't give a break on price (or taxes). Might help balance things off a little if they filled their own retail level backorders first.

Richard

riz

09-24-05, 12:27 PM

ok guys, i am confused about this whole 1080p input stuff.. please understand that there are 10, 523 different responses regarding this and i've read and not understood them all :O

simply put, the new sxrd with say a blu-ray player or ps3 will not be able to display the native 1080p feeds right? the sxrd would convert it to it's own 1080p rather that just display it without conversion, right?

whatever, so confusing... I simply don't get why a 1080p tv would not have a 1080p input... especially for 5g's :(

Uninvited Guest

09-24-05, 12:51 PM

You are one of 47 that has ordered the set...so first let me start by saying congrats!

I too ordered one and was told 50 are made in there one and only plant in New Stanton, PA and due to arrive on Sept 26th then be shipped out on a first come first serve basis. There are currently 47 orders in for these sets leaving only 3 available. The west cost is expected to receive the next set of manufactured TV's.

These are the facts as I understand them directly from the Sony inventory tracking system.

Thanks,
Arv
Are you saying that ShopSunshine has the first 50 SXRD sets in North America?

http://www.eurowhiners.net/pics/bsometer.gif

wko

09-24-05, 12:54 PM

Excluding from the source, will the SXRD be prone to lip sync issues?

Tele-TV

09-24-05, 12:56 PM

Are you saying that ShopSunshine has the first 50 SXRD sets in North America?

http://www.eurowhiners.net/pics/bsometer.gif

UG: I put you akin to comedian/actor Tom Green. And that is a compliment from me because he is my HERO! :D

I like how the needle in the bull-**** meter breaks-off. :)

ABhatnagar

09-24-05, 01:08 PM

Arv, I presume you are talking about SonyStyle orders. Is that correct? Hope so, because as I've said before, I ordered one from them on 8/16. They sure didn't give a break on price (or taxes). Might help balance things off a little if they filled their own retail level backorders first.

Richard

Yep, I am speaking of SonyStyle.com...

I too ordered mine on 8/16...

Also, I too was not given a break on the price or taxes...

Hope to hear from the local freight company on Monday to schedule my delivery!!!

-Arv

c.kingsley

09-24-05, 01:15 PM

Well I just played the Sears game yesterday, and my set is due on Oct 4th. Apparently, a shipment is en route to their regional warehouse, and the date just moved up recently. I live in the Northwest.

JimP

09-24-05, 01:20 PM

Excluding from the source, will the SXRD be prone to lip sync issues?

Hard question to give a good answer. Nobody has this set yet. Not sure that the 006's lack of lip synch carries over to the SXRD as we don't know how much of the same electronics has carried over. There was a post a couple of month ago about Sony buying a faster "cell" chip from IBM to facilitate faster processing. Unfortunately the article didn't go into detail as to how or when it would be implemented.

Ask again in 2 weeks and maybe somebody can give an answer.

I'd like to know how the ANSI contrast on the SXRD compares to the full 1080p DLP chips that won't come out until next year or the year after. :D

HomeGuy

09-24-05, 01:24 PM

Just got back for BB/Magnolia. They had a few 1080P sets: a 67", 61" a Samsung pedestal and a Mits set. Above these RPTV's were several Plasmas. I thought the PQ on the Samsung was very good. However, the Plasma sets were a few notches above. They were brighter, had better contrast, better colors and better detail in dark scenes. If the SXRD sets equal the look of a Plasma I will be very happy. If someone is not super picky then the Samsung sets are a very good value. I saw the 67" online for under 4k. It 's also less wide then the SXRD set.

tonydeluce

09-24-05, 01:45 PM

I'd like to know how the ANSI contrast on the SXRD compares to the full 1080p DLP chips that won't come out until next year or the year after. :D

The ANSI contrast on the new .95 in. 1080p DMD is considerably higher
than the Sony SXRD. I have don't have the exact numbers but check out
the over $3500k FP forum where this is much discucssion on this...

There will be at least few, higher end, RPs with the new chip next season...

Hoyt

09-24-05, 01:59 PM

Speaking of the BS meter...
We have 149 pages of BS.
Since the first post of this thread the only new info we have is that
it doesnt accept 1080p (oh big surprise and who cares)
Oh yeah, and a few exciting pages about cables.... thanks so much.

TV Tyro

09-24-05, 02:42 PM

tonydeluce

09-24-05, 02:46 PM

Here is a quote from David Conroy of CNet Reviews regarding RP microdisplays:

"The real jumps in quality will be with products such as the just-announced Sony KDS-R60XBR1, which essentially takes a lot of what's found in Sony's $11,000, 70-inch Qualia 006 and puts it in sets that cost less than half as much. While 1080p resolution is the gold standard, it's not noticeably distinguishable--or worth paying for--in screen sizes smaller than 60 inches."

Guess what size set I was considering. Do you agree that a cost/benefit analysis would not favor my purchasing a 50" 1080p set?

If you referring to resolution alone it depends how far away you sit from the TV.
Six or Seven feet from the 50 in. should give you maximum resolution value.
If you sit more than 10 feet or so your eye may not be able to resolve any
additional detail over a 720p set.

But the black levels and contrast advantage over LCD and other LCOS should be oberservable from any distance...

JimP

09-24-05, 03:10 PM

The ANSI contrast on the new .95 in. 1080p DMD is considerably higher
than the Sony SXRD. I have don't have the exact numbers but check out
the over $3500k FP forum where this is much discucssion on this...

There will be at least few, higher end, RPs with the new chip next season...

Thanks Tony.

Seen any discussions about alignment of the SXRD chips such as to avoid the equivalent of misconvergence??

c.kingsley

09-24-05, 03:11 PM

...and lack of SDE

HoustonHoyaFan

09-24-05, 03:41 PM

I'd like to know how the ANSI contrast on the SXRD compares to the full 1080p DLP chips that won't come out until next year or the year after. :D
How about compared to the laser pj, 3 to 5 years from now :)

tonydeluce

09-24-05, 04:27 PM

Thanks Tony.

Seen any discussions about alignment of the SXRD chips such as to avoid the equivalent of misconvergence??

I am sure the Sony SXRD will be very good in this area but I would recommend
checking for this during the 30 day trial of the TV since it is possible for any 3 chip
configuration to suffer from this. If you notice any problems exchange the set for
another one...

tonydeluce

09-24-05, 04:28 PM

How about compared to the laser pj, 3 to 5 years from now :)

Or SED a year or two from now :-)

solomita

09-24-05, 04:55 PM

ok guys, i am confused about this whole 1080p input stuff.. please understand that there are 10, 523 different responses regarding this and i've read and not understood them all :O

This is a very confusing area. I knew nothing about it 2 weeks ago -- this is what I've figured out since then. First, there seem to be two major areas of confusion:

1. What is the source material?

Is the source a movie or TV program or something else? Movies are filmed in 24 frames per second progressive, standard definition TV shows are 60 fields per second interlaced, HDTV TV shows are either 720p 60 frames per second or 1080i 60 fields per second.

That's the source material. Then all sorts of things can happen on the way to your TV. If it's on DVD (HD or otherwise), how good a job was done transferring the source to DVD? What's the quality of the stored image? And what format is used to output from the DVD to the TV?

The reason that this is important to note is that movies are (at most) 1080p24, which can accurately converted to 1080i60, sent to the TV, and then converted accurately back to the 1080p24 format in the TV. HD TV shows are either 720p60 or 1080i60, either of which can be directly input into the SXRD. Also a 1080p30 source could also be accurately converted to 1080i60, and then back to 1080p30, so that too could be input into the SXRD.

2. People often say "1080p", for example, and leave out the frame rate. It isn't possible to discuss these issues accurately without it. The only variant of 1080p which cannot be converted to 1080i accurately is 1080p60, because that would have to become 1080i120 which doesn't exist.

Going back to my first point, what 1080p60 source is there? Very little. You may want to buy an external, high-quality, high-priced, deinterlacer for source material that is interlaced. This will want to output in 1080p60. There are some camcorders that are 1080p60, although I don't believe there's anything mainstream. Some are claiming that the PlayStation 3 will generate 1080p60 source imagery, but there is a lot of skepticism. Some people also mentioned connecting a PC to the TV, but apparently the TV accepted 1080p from a VGA source.

Two caveats to the above: I was only told by one person that 720p HDTV is 720p60. I haven't had that confirmed by a second person. Also, 1080p24 movie sourced material is probably more accurately designated 1080psf24, but the distinction seems mostly technical and doesn't impact the above statements.

simply put, the new sxrd with say a blu-ray player or ps3 will not be able to display the native 1080p feeds right? the sxrd would convert it to it's own 1080p rather that just display it without conversion, right?

The main question is the source material. Blu-ray and HDDVD are not likely to have any 1080p60 source material, so conversion will work. The PS3 might have 1080p60 source material, which will have to be downgraded to 1080i60 for the SXRD, which will effectively be 1080p30 as displayed by the TV.

whatever, so confusing... I simply don't get why a 1080p tv would not have a 1080p input... especially for 5g's :(

You can be sure that it's about money. The SXRD seems to be a hand-me-down from slightly older Qualia technology, and the Qualia didn't do 1080p input. Since the goal of moving the technology from Qualia to SXRD was to lower the price, they didn't want to do any more new development than they needed to.

It doesn't seem to me like they needed to do it, at least not for 99.99% of the potential customer base. The remainder are legitimately disappointed, however.

solomita

09-24-05, 04:59 PM

They're good for a price match though. :D

That's an incredible understatement.

www.shopsunshine.com

Note that they're a "brick and mortar" with a real store.

bholub

09-24-05, 05:16 PM

That's an incredible understatement.

www.shopsunshine.com

Note that they're a "brick and mortar" with a real store.

But they're in NY... doesn't Sears say it has to be a LOCAL B&M store? Or can this be argued?

gazelle

09-24-05, 05:18 PM

But they're in NY... doesn't Sears say it has to be a LOCAL B&M store? Or can this be argued?

Sears won't pricematch ShopSunshine wherever they are. Trust me :rolleyes:

MYTV

09-24-05, 05:19 PM

I have tried to use ShopSunshine.com as a pricematch at my local Sears in Indiana. Did not work, anybody have any ideas on the most reputable place at the lowest price for the 60".

gazelle

09-24-05, 05:23 PM

I have tried to use ShopSunshine.com as a pricematch at my local Sears in Indiana. Did not work, anybody have any ideas on the most reputable place at the lowest price for the 60".

PC Richard in NY/NJ. they're about 10% off MSRP on the 60" and 12% on the 50". One of the largest and most reputable B&M's in the country.

MYTV

09-24-05, 05:26 PM

gazelle,

Do you know the link to their website? Thanks for the info.

gazelle

09-24-05, 05:30 PM

gazelle,

Do you know the link to their website? Thanks for the info.

http://www.pcrichard.com/cgi-bin/lansaweb?procfun+homeproc01+pghome+pcr+eng

c.kingsley

09-24-05, 05:46 PM

Sears won't pricematch ShopSunshine wherever they are. Trust me :rolleyes:
Yes they will. They will price match even online stores, as long as the shipping cost is included. I still got a great deal, even counting the shipping from Shop Sunshine with Sears' 110% price match. Calculate the cost to your location with shipping and try again. I tried pretty hard to get them to match without shipping, but they will only do that for local B&M stores. If that store is not local to you, calculate the cost with shipping, and they will match it. It says so on their web site. Print out their own price match guarantee and show it to them. You may have to be stubborn (I did) but, I did get the match.

riz

09-24-05, 05:57 PM

c.kingsley

09-24-05, 06:11 PM

solomita, thanks for your detailed response... you keep trying to make me understand and even though i get most of what you said, i'm still a little confused... ok, ps3 will have 1080p games eventually, if that game runs at 60fps based on what you said, this sxrd would convert it to 1080p30... ummm, not good... so does this also mean that 720p60fps xbox 360 games will be converted to 1080p30? I am a total 60fps whore and cannot handle having my framerate halved :(

Lastly blueray 1080p24 movies... if the sxrd had true 1080p inputs it would simply display them rather than convert to 1080i60 back to 1080p24 right? all these unneccessary conversions obviously will hurt pq...

thx-
No, a proper 3:2 pulldown will not result in any loss in PQ.

Everything on the display is converted to 1080p/60.

There is no guarantee yet that PS3 will ever output 1080p/60. I wouldn't bet the farm on this one. Remember, Sony made all sorts of outlandish claims regarding the PS2 when it was first shown, too. However, many of their claims never made it to market, and the end product was not nearly as powerful as they initially suggested.

tonydeluce

09-24-05, 06:14 PM

No, a proper 3:2 pulldown will not result in any loss in PQ.

Everything on the display is converted to 1080p/60.

There is no guarantee yet that PS3 will ever output 1080p/60. I wouldn't bet the farm on this one. Remember, Sony made all sorts of outlandish claims regarding the PS2 when it was first shown, too. However, many of their claims never made it to market, and the end product was not nearly as powerful as they initially suggested.

3:2 pulldown is good but displaying 1080p24fps at 72fps would be much better...

3:2 pulldown or not you still have to display at the native rate of the display which
is 1080p60fps...

solomita

09-24-05, 06:54 PM

solomita, thanks for your detailed response... you keep trying to make me understand and even though i get most of what you said, i'm still a little confused... ok, ps3 will have 1080p games eventually, if that game runs at 60fps based on what you said, this sxrd would convert it to 1080p30... ummm, not good... so does this also mean that 720p60fps xbox 360 games will be converted to 1080p30? I am a total 60fps whore and cannot handle having my framerate halved :(

The TV internally, meaning the actually display mechanism, should be 1080p60. So a 720p60 should stay 60 when it's upconverted to 1080p60. The issue only exists for 1080p60.

Lastly blueray 1080p24 movies... if the sxrd had true 1080p inputs it would simply display them rather than convert to 1080i60 back to 1080p24 right? all these unneccessary conversions obviously will hurt pq...

thx-

There is no loss in PQ going from 1080p24 to 1080i60 back to 1080p24. This is all digital, keep in mind, and there's no scaling of resolutions. It should be pretty simple to imagine how to go from 1080p24 to 1080i48 -- just split each frame into even and odd rows, and send them out back to back. 1080i60 from 1080p24 is the same, except that either the evens or the odds will be duplicated and sent twice. The TV upon receiving this notices the pattern and drops the duplicated fields. This is the "3:2 pulldown" that comes up periodically.

solomita

09-24-05, 06:56 PM

3:2 pulldown is good but displaying 1080p24fps at 72fps would be much better...

3:2 pulldown or not you still have to display at the native rate of the display which
is 1080p60fps...

In the other thread specific to 1080p, it was pointed out that there is no reason why the internally circuitry of the SXRD has to be forced to 60fps. There have been multisync monitors for a long time, and it was said that some front projections systems can also multisync. Some TVs multisync to 60 and 50 fps to account for PAL and NTSC based sources. It's unknown whether the SXRD can multisync to 60, 50 and/or 72 fps, unless someone here knows.

tonydeluce

09-24-05, 07:00 PM

In the other thread specific to 1080p, it was pointed out that there is no reason why the internally circuitry of the SXRD has to be forced to 60fps. There have been multisync monitors for a long time, and it was said that some front projections systems can also multisync. Some TVs multisync to 60 and 50 fps to account for PAL and NTSC based sources. It's unknown whether the SXRD can multisync to 60, 50 and/or 72 fps, unless someone here knows.

The only reason is cost...

RowdyUSP40

09-24-05, 07:08 PM

Yes they will. They will price match even online stores, as long as the shipping cost is included. I still got a great deal, even counting the shipping from Shop Sunshine with Sears' 110% price match. Calculate the cost to your location with shipping and try again. I tried pretty hard to get them to match without shipping, but they will only do that for local B&M stores. If that store is not local to you, calculate the cost with shipping, and they will match it. It says so on their web site. Print out their own price match guarantee and show it to them. You may have to be stubborn (I did) but, I did get the match.

I'm glad you where able to get them to match that price for you but, that's not what their policy says.

Here it is:

We'll Match Any Price Plus...
If you find a lower price on an identical branded item with the same features currently available for sale at another local retail store, Sears will match that price plus give you 10% of the difference. Just tell your sales associate at the time of, or within 30 days after, your purchase.

If you find a lower price (including shipping, handling and delivery) on an identical branded item with the same features currently available for sale and delivery in your area from a local retail store's online site, Sears will match that total price Plus, give you 10% of the difference. Just print the ordering page, including shipping, handling and delivery, and bring it to your Sears store at the time of, or within 30 days after, your purchase. If you are purchasing the item from sears.com, email the information to order@customerservice.sears.com

BTW, I was at Sears earlier today and they where willing to match Tweeter's price of 10% off of the MSPR plus 10% of the that difference and additional 10% off using my Sears card.

Did I do it? No :( I pussed out.... couldn't pull the trigger!!
I just couldn't do it without seeing it first and not knowing what prices will do in a few weeks or more. I hope I don't have to kick my own ass up around my ears down the road a bit.

tonydeluce

09-24-05, 07:34 PM

I'm glad you where able to get them to match that price for you but, that's not what their policy says.

Here it is:

We'll Match Any Price Plus...
If you find a lower price on an identical branded item with the same features currently available for sale at another local retail store, Sears will match that price plus give you 10% of the difference. Just tell your sales associate at the time of, or within 30 days after, your purchase.

If you find a lower price (including shipping, handling and delivery) on an identical branded item with the same features currently available for sale and delivery in your area from a local retail store's online site, Sears will match that total price Plus, give you 10% of the difference. Just print the ordering page, including shipping, handling and delivery, and bring it to your Sears store at the time of, or within 30 days after, your purchase. If you are purchasing the item from sears.com, email the information to order@customerservice.sears.com

BTW, I was at Sears earlier today and they where willing to match Tweeter's price of 10% off of the MSPR plus 10% of the that difference and additional 10% off using my Sears card.

Did I do it? No :( I pussed out.... couldn't pull the trigger!!
I just couldn't do it without seeing it first and not knowing what prices will do in a few weeks or more. I hope I don't have to kick my own ass up around my ears down the road a bit.

Damn, that would have been a 50 in. SXRD for $2799 or a 60 in. SXRD for $3499.

You can always take it back within 30 days if you don't like it....

overcast

09-24-05, 07:37 PM

I wonder if it matters if the Sears you are going to is physically near the local B&M. I live in New York , but PC Richards is not local to me. Obviously there is a Sears near PC Richards in the city.
Hrmmmmmmmm :D

WannaBinHD

09-24-05, 07:46 PM

Damn, that would have been a 50 in. SXRD for $2799 or a 60 in. SXRD for $3499.

You can always take it back within 30 days if you don't like it....

I think you need to recheck your math Tony! ;)

For the 60" that would be $5000 - 500 - 50 - 445 = $4005
For the 50" that would be $4000 - 400 - 40 - 356 = $3204

tonydeluce

09-24-05, 07:50 PM

I think you need to recheck you math Tony! ;)

For the 60" that would be $5000 - 500 - 50 - 445 = $4005
For the 50" that would be $4000 - 400 - 40 - 356 = $3204

Missed the 10% of the difference rather than 10%... still awesome pricing though..

RowdyUSP40

09-24-05, 07:54 PM

I think you need to recheck you math Tony! ;)

For the 60" that would be $5000 - 500 - 50 - 445 = $4005
For the 50" that would be $4000 - 400 - 40 - 356 = $3204

Right.
Plus Tax 8.25%

Also, the sales guy said they were not going to carry the SXRD's in store they were order only. Not sure about that you never know if those guys know what they are talking about.

The pick-up date at the store he gave me was Oct. 6 Who knows about that either.

jsessler

09-24-05, 08:25 PM

Sears won't pricematch ShopSunshine wherever they are. Trust me :rolleyes:

I went to my local CA "Sears Grand" last night and they not only price matched sunshine (price only not including shipping), I also got the 10% price diff guarantee, and to top it off I used my Sears card for an additional 10% off.

I think that added up to about 31% off of list. I had to pay sales tax on top of that but it was still less than what I would have paid for just the TV from sunshine.

Jeff

Bombthroat

09-24-05, 09:15 PM

There is no way they have them in stock. I am virtually positive that they are flat out lying.

The only thing I can say is that I've already received a call from the shipper to schedule my delivery with me for Monday. I can't imagine receiving a call from the shipper to schedule delivery if they didn't already have the package in their possession (which they report they do).

I guess we'll all see come Monday. If I get taken with bait and switch then I'm the guinea pig that's learned a lesson for all of us.

I'll be sure to report back on Monday so we can all be aware of the outcome.

hadleyfarm

09-24-05, 09:21 PM

Kingsley;

"...great deal, even counting the shipping from Shop Sunshine with Sears' 110% price match."

Can you walk me through your Sears price matchging experience with Sears pertaining to the SONY SXRD? - I'm interested in purchasing a 60" set, live in Massachusetts, and would be interested in working through Sears if they would honor their price matching policy as described.

Also, did you purchase an extended warranty pacakge? if yes, with whom?

Many thanks!

Nicholas

Shopgirl

09-24-05, 09:49 PM

[QUOTE=jsessler]I went to my local CA "Sears Grand" last night and they not only price matched sunshine (price only not including shipping), I also got the 10% price diff guarantee, and to top it off I used my Sears card for an additional 10% off.

I think that added up to about 31% off of list. I had to pay sales tax on top of that but it was still less than what I would have paid for just the TV from sunshine.

Well, if I calculate it out correctly, including tax, this come out to be approx $1300 off of MSRP. This is a great deal. Please let me know how you negotiated this. I will go to Sears to get this deal myself. :p

overcast

09-24-05, 09:58 PM

How does the Sears card give you 10% off purchases?

roller11

09-24-05, 10:00 PM

jsessler

09-24-05, 10:14 PM

How does the Sears card give you 10% off purchases?

Sears has a promotion going right now that gives an automatic 10% off when you open/use a Sears card for the purchase. Also, you get 1-year no payments/interest.

Jeff

overcast

09-24-05, 10:20 PM

Sears has a promotion going right now that gives an automatic 10% off when you open/use a Sears card for the purchase. Also, you get 1-year no payments/interest.

Jeff

oh wow.

jsessler

09-24-05, 10:27 PM

Well, if I calculate it out correctly, including tax, this come out to be approx $1300 off of MSRP. This is a great deal. Please let me know how you negotiated this. I will go to Sears to get this deal myself. :p

It was:
Sunshine's price - (10% diff price between Sears price and theirs or $110)
then,
above subtotal - (10% sears card promotion)

Works out to about $1500 off of list.
+ 7.75% tax

Delivery was $50 and there is a $10 CA Environmental fee

There wasn't a lot of negotiation. I had a printout of sunshine's web site with the price of the set. I also had a print out of the "about us" that says they have a B&M location. The sales person checked that the site was valid by surfing to it from an Internet connected station. He then said he could match it and wanted to know if I wanted to go ahead and order it.

I couldn't get my Sears card out fast enough!

Set is to be delivered on Oct 3rd.

Jeff

overcast

09-24-05, 10:35 PM

It was:
Sunshine's price - (10% diff price between Sears price and theirs or $110)
then,
above subtotal - (10% sears card promotion)

Works out to about $1500 off of list.
+ 7.75% tax

Delivery was $50 and there is a $10 CA Environmental fee

There wasn't a lot of negotiation. I had a printout of sunshine's web site with the price of the set. I also had a print out of the "about us" that says they have a B&M location. The sales person checked that the site was valid by surfing to it from an Internet connected station. He then said he could match it and wanted to know if I wanted to go ahead and order it.

I couldn't get my Sears card out fast enough!

Set is to be delivered on Oct 3rd.

Jeff

Sounds like I'm heading to Sears tomorrow :D

JasonColeman

09-24-05, 10:56 PM

jsessler

09-24-05, 11:08 PM

Would that be the Sears on Day Creek? That really is a spectacular deal that I'd be interested in taking advantage of, though Jesus is willing to give me about 18% off msrp and the sets are arriving soon. 31% off pretty much trumps whatever else is in the works as far as I'm concerned. I'd love to hear how you negotiated with the salesperson and finagled the stacked discounts...

Jason

That's the store... Like I said in my other post, I didn't really negotiate. The sales person just did the deal. As I read the Sears card promo, it does not exclude price-matches from the promotion.

Who knows... Maybe there will be a Sears memo on Monday saying not to do it again!

Jeff

maximum360

09-24-05, 11:13 PM

I'm heading to Sears tomorrow as well. I'm negotiating selling my 51" RP CRT to a friend for a grand. If that goes through the wife has all but stamped positive the purchase of the 60" SXRD if I can keep the price somewhat close to the $3300-3700 range.

The one year no payments or interest rocks too.

I'm in the DC area and I think there's a Sears out in Rockville. I already have the printout so I'll be heading there tomorrow to see if they bite.

overcast

09-24-05, 11:25 PM

Even if they don't add the extra 10% with sears card. ****, pricematching + 10% on $3800 sounds pretty damn good to me.

HomeGuy

09-24-05, 11:25 PM

Sunshine electronics doesn't have the new Sony 60" listed on their website. They only have it listed on Ebay. If you go to Sears I doubt that a sales associate will match an Ebay price. Sears only matches local B&M stores. I would give it a try but I think that Jessler got lucky.

jsessler

09-24-05, 11:28 PM

overcast

09-24-05, 11:29 PM

JasonColeman

09-24-05, 11:35 PM

Yeah they've definitely got it listed on their site, and for a sweet price,...now just to see if we can finagle a deal at Sears...I'm still skeptical. I'll try tomorrow and post the outcome.

J.

HomeGuy

09-24-05, 11:45 PM

JasonColeman

09-24-05, 11:49 PM

HomeGuy-

You paid ~$3900 from a local dealer? That's pretty impressive...would you mind PM'ing me the pertinent info that I would hope to use as "bargaining power" with Jesus? That's a much better deal than he's willing to offer, so apparently he needs another beating...

J.

RDO CA

09-24-05, 11:50 PM

Lord Ace Man

09-25-05, 12:20 AM

I have a preorder on this set from a B&M for 3700 and the stand for 350. Now would sears match this since it's not an ad but a printed receipt. Does anyone know how much sears charge for extended warranty and does it include bulb change?

RowdyUSP40

09-25-05, 12:21 AM

I searched Sony SXRD. However, I still think you got very lucky. Sears, CC, and BB only match B&M stores that are local. I paid 3,899 for my set through a local B&M but I also bought there 5yr. extended warranty for another 450.00 with unlimited bulb replacement and got 18 month interest free financing, so I can't complain. You did better than me. Good luck with the new set. I would also advice getting a service plan with this set. It's first generation and one bulb will cost you about 350.00.

If he got Sears in Southern Cal. to match Sunshine's price then.... yeah he got lucky. Their (Sears) system pulls up a list of local stores they can price match when they over ride the price.

It's 10% of the difference... not 10% off of what they are matching.

Also, the 10% off for using your Sears cards ends today!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

RowdyUSP40

09-25-05, 12:22 AM

Lord Ace Man

09-25-05, 12:27 AM

I'm guessing your talking about the 50" ????
My price is for the 60 Inch.

Lord Flatus

09-25-05, 12:28 AM

What kind of stores are giving you prices like that?

Lord Ace Man

09-25-05, 12:34 AM

Since some of you are doubting me. Let me find my receipt and I'll post to the penny.

Lord Flatus

09-25-05, 12:36 AM

I don't doubt you. I'm just wondering if there are stores like that in SoCal, and what you have to do to the owner to get a price like that. :)

RowdyUSP40

09-25-05, 12:36 AM

My price is for the 60 Inch.

Now that deserves a big fat WOW!! You Are Lord Ace Man!! :D :D :D :D :D

Lord Ace Man

09-25-05, 12:43 AM

Okay, I messed up. Sorry!

kdsr60xbr601 3779.10
sugw12 354.00

Now can somebody tell me about sears extended warranty. Does it include bulb change and how much?

yardman

09-25-05, 06:21 AM

Okay, I messed up. Sorry!

kdsr60xbr601 3779.10
sugw12 354.00

Now can somebody tell me about sears extended warranty. Does it include bulb change and how much?

Along the same thought I have a SXRD on order and wonder what the life time of the bulb is. I did not buy the extended warranty and have 30 days to cough up the extra cash.
In Canada the stats are only 20% of the cash is used for repairs so hedging my bets. The odds are on my side. But the life and cost of the bulb puts a question to my logic.

yardman

09-25-05, 06:50 AM

This is a very confusing area. I knew nothing about it 2 weeks ago -- this is what I've figured out since then. First, there seem to be two major areas of confusion:

1. What is the source material?

Is the source a movie or TV program or something else? Movies are filmed in 24 frames per second progressive, standard definition TV shows are 60 fields per second interlaced, HDTV TV shows are either 720p 60 frames per second or 1080i 60 fields per second.

My admiration for solomita for jumping fearlessly into a subject like this and I suspect you are like myself, a very interested civilian wanting to get the facts straight. Is there is any Engineers or inside the industry individuals who would like to clarify “are the new SXRD’s capable of 24P” or is 60 Fps repeated to a double 30Fps with a 2-3 pull down? I under stand the native resolution of the display is 1080 lines by 1920 pixels and there is no scanning like a CRT, It’s a “fixed pixel devise” so 60P is not a problem. And all inputs 480P or 720P as well as 1080i will all be converted to 1080 lines by 1920 pixels. But the frames per second, I would really like to know just for interest sake. Not a deal breaker for me at all as I already have the telly on order, just curious is 60P all there is or should I think of it as a 30P.

Canadian

09-25-05, 08:44 AM

I finially was able to view both the 60 inch and 50 inch SXRDs yesterday and all I can say is that I was very impressed. I viewed both units at two separate stores showing different material on all. The Sony Store in the Yorkdale Mall showed the 50 inch displaying a high def loop of the Much Music Video awards while the 60 inch was displaying a loop of footage taken from their new high definition handheld camera recorder (1080i). What immediately struck me was the crispness of the picture on the 60 inch and the vibrant colours. The loop for the 60 showed various scenes of beaches, blown stained glass, night environments and of a motorcycle rider taking a trip through the countryside. The detail in these scenes was incredible and I would compare them to something seen on a computer monitor. Very impressive. Unable to know how this loop was hooked up but the Salesman said that the room was split via their component spliter so I will assume that was the case for both units. The Music Video awards being shown on the 50 demonstrated what subtle things the SXRDs do to improve even what I would consider a crappy hi def feed. All of the other LCD units in the room were showing that feed and I was able to make a direct comparison between them. The picture on the 50 appeared softer but it also looked more natural to my eyes. I'm sure you could adjust all of the goodies inside of this thing to get whatever picture you desired out of it. Black levels were fantastic as well as the detail hidden within them. Example of this was the DJ had dark sunglasses on his face while he was interviewing guests and on the 3LCD units that it appeared to be more of a black blotch while the SXRD displayed the glasses and you could see his eyes behind them. SXRDs handled skintones and motion MUCH more effectively then these other units aswell. On the LCDs I find that if someone moves very quickly (ie. waving at the camera) that you get some video noise left behind it or artifacts. Completely absent in the 50 incher. Reds were beautiful on the SXRDs and really shone through in their original color rather then the typical fare that we have become accustomed too. Walked away impressed with the units.

I then tried my local Sony Store in Oshawa and found that they had both of the SXRDs on display as well. I concentrated on the 50 inch but there is really no difference in the picture , only the size. Didn't find the speakers as offensive as previously stated in this thread on the 50 as there isn't as much room between the cabinet and the speakers on the 50 then compared to the 60. The store was showing a high def feed of various shows including ER, Third Watch, Law and Order, etc via component cables. The main differences seen from the other Sony units that are currently available are the vibrancy and accurate colors, depth of blacks, shadow detail, improved image, smoothness of picture and motion, and sharp detail of any text or computer graphics displayed. Was able to watch this feed and make direct comparisons with the other units and was impressed of the capability of this unit. Had the salesman put in a dvd of Pirates of the Caribbean on a non-upconversion Sony DVD player via component cables. AGAIN, the detail of the DVD just shot out as well as the colors and black levels. This is the first HDTV that I have seen where the letterbox bars are truly black when shown instead of the typical bluish grey. I would think if this was hooked up with a good upconversion player via HDMI cables that it would sharpen the image even more. For viewing a 480P image the SXRD unit handled it superbly. Basically I was drooling watching this set with my Son.

I walked away excited about purchasing this new set and had no thoughts of waiting for a true 1080P input. I couldn't imagine it producing much more of a better image then what I had viewed earlier on the 60 inch. No pixels were viewable even when I had my face less then a foot from the screen, unlike the other LCD units. Sony has created a quality unit and it does look great with the stand so I plan on picking it up in the next two weeks.

Don't take my word for it, judge it for yourself.

leoday

09-25-05, 09:16 AM

Canadian, Thanks for your imput!

HomeGuy

09-25-05, 09:23 AM

webspinner

09-25-05, 09:29 AM

Yardman,

I was wondering where you decided to purchase your tv and if you got a good discount on it. I'm sure we won't be lucky enough to have Sears carry this tv in Canada. The Sony Store salesman was willing to work on the price, but I never found out how much because when asked about their returns policy, I was told the tv would have to be in the original box and there would be a restocking fee which would increase if the tv wasn't 100% pristine. Also, he practically recoiled when I said the word 'return'... I couldn't get out of the store fast enough after that!

Canadian

09-25-05, 09:36 AM

Homeguy: I was unable to see any non-HD programming besides watching a regualr DVD. Can't comment on how well it works with a subpar signal but from what I saw it does seem to clean up whatever it was given. SSE was not really noticable. If you didn't see it on the A20 then you won't see it on this set. No video noise was noted when I was incredibly close.

I too am hoping that these sets don't make regular TV look like garbage but hopefully we will only have to wait less then 2 years before everyone makes the change over to HD programming.

westa6969

09-25-05, 09:36 AM

Canadian: Great review. Sounds like the SXRD sets are winners! Did you get to see any non-HD programming. I'm wondering how well this set performs when it has to work with a sub par signal? Did you see any SSE? I never saw it on my A20 set but other have. Where you able to see any video noise of pixel structure when you were close to the screen?

Thanks

Sony has a knack for dealing with inferior SD signals better than most via Digital Reality Chip - improving low grade SD signals. I can see this on my Sony LCD FP and it's the one area where it outshines my Sharp FP and should be even better on the SXRD - but then again I avoid watching those channels whenever possible but I have so many digital, premium and HD channels that I do SD very infrequently and I've rarely seen anyone do SD improvement of inferior PQ as good as Sony.

THANKS to Canadian - Excellent feedback from multiple locations - thank you for going through the trouble to set your own mind at ease and ours - much appreciated! :D

maximum360

09-25-05, 09:40 AM

If he got Sears in Southern Cal. to match Sunshine's price then.... yeah he got lucky. Their (Sears) system pulls up a list of local stores they can price match when they over ride the price.

It's 10% of the difference... not 10% off of what they are matching.

Also, the 10% off for using your Sears cards ends today!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

:(

iceengine

09-25-05, 09:41 AM

maximum360

09-25-05, 09:56 AM

My viewing distance is about the same and my 51" is perfect.

gazelle

09-25-05, 10:39 AM

I'm looking for any advice I can find on which size to choose. I have about 7 1/2 ft between my couch and the tv. Just doing some scouting the net looking at proper viewing angles, distances, and such, it technically looks like I can get the 60". However, I'm concerned that sitting that close to the 60", non hi-def will look really crappy. I have no idea what to do and any help would be great, thanks.

I think the 60" will be fine since these sets supposedly have better video processing than any others. That's one of Sony's strong points, but everyone has there own preferences. If you're not sure, go watch them from your viewing distance when they hit the stores.

BuTal63

09-25-05, 10:40 AM

The only thing I can say is that I've already received a call from the shipper to schedule my delivery with me for Monday. I can't imagine receiving a call from the shipper to schedule delivery if they didn't already have the package in their possession (which they report they do).

I guess we'll all see come Monday. If I get taken with bait and switch then I'm the guinea pig that's learned a lesson for all of us.

I'll be sure to report back on Monday so we can all be aware of the outcome.

No matter what the box says, make sure the pretty hardware inside doesn't say "XS955" on it. :D Another reality check: if you can shave and comb your hair from your reflection in the bezel, you got it, baby!! :D#2.

I'm nearly as excited for you as you must be. I hope it works out and anxious to read your 09-26 post. Good luck! :)

Yoda1

09-25-05, 10:56 AM

Bombthroat

09-25-05, 10:57 AM

No matter what the box says, make sure the pretty hardware inside doesn't say "XS955" on it. :D Another reality check: if you can shave and comb your hair from your reflection in the bezel, you got it, baby!! :D#2.

I'm nearly as excited for you as you must be. I hope it works out and anxious to read your 09-26 post. Good luck! :)

Don't worry. I'll check every nook and cranny of the set before I sign for the package. I can't imagine opening the "SXRD" box and finding an "XS955" in there. That would be grounds for a lawsuit as far as I'm concerned.

To the person who asked if my credit card had been charged, YES it has. But then again, the set has also shipped according to the information I have thus far. So in that regard, it's not surprising since every place charges you when the item is shipped.

Hopefully it'll be all good news in tomorrows report.

Yoda1

09-25-05, 10:59 AM

By the way, I just looked at the specs for the 50" on SonyStyle.com and it lists the TV as having only 2 components and 1 HDMI? That's pretty weak considering the set costs 4 Gs.

rlb

09-25-05, 11:10 AM

By the way, I just looked at the specs for the 50" on SonyStyle.com and it lists the TV as having only 2 components and 1 HDMI? That's pretty weak considering the set costs 4 Gs.

That listing on SonyStyle is wrong. The owners manual available on SonyStyle shows 2 HDMI inputs. In fact, all other sources I've seen show two HDMI inputs.

c_hernandez32

09-25-05, 11:11 AM

Has anyone seen the SXRD show SD programming? I had the Tosh 62HM95 and the picture looked so muddy and horrible that it made me sick. There was a night/day improvement on the 50" A10. I was able to zoom in and not loss all quality. Since I have yet to upgrade my DTV to HD, I really watch only SD material most of the day. I really want to upgrade to the 60 for DVD movies and its firewire out to record to my DVHS.

Markriz

09-25-05, 11:27 AM

I had ordered a 50" (KDS-R50XBR1) from sonystyle about 2-3 weeks ago, and I just got a confirmation email this morning saying it shipped! From what the Sony guy said, Sony will ship it to a local delivery service, and then that delivery service will contact me to set up an actual home delivery date. So it's still going to be another week or so before it actually gets into my house, but it's coming! The web site still says Pre-order for the KDS-R50XBR1, but it looks like shipping has started. This is my first HDTV, so I'll post some pictures and impressions once it arrives. This forum has been a great source of information during the whole decisionmaking process, thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences and knowledge!

Now.. time to go out and find a stand before this thing gets here!

Yoda1

09-25-05, 11:45 AM

That listing on SonyStyle is wrong. The owners manual available on SonyStyle shows 2 HDMI inputs. In fact, all other sources I've seen show two HDMI inputs.

Ok, good. Thanks.

Shopgirl

09-25-05, 11:55 AM

For those of you that ordered from Sonystyle, did you also get the warranty? Does it include the bulbs? I noticed that the 5 year warranty is $319.

DarthLysis

09-25-05, 12:08 PM

Egan

09-25-05, 12:09 PM

Sears.com listed 10-12 days for my local store to get the SXRD's. I was curious about their delivery charge and it stated $0.00 --- is delivery usually free with Sears?

c.kingsley

09-25-05, 12:13 PM

You can get it delivered to the local store free of charge. If you don't mind picking it up yourself, this is a good option.

darth,

All you can do is try to get them to match without shipping. I don't know where they draw the lines for local B&M.

roller11

09-25-05, 12:55 PM

To the person who asked if my credit card had been charged, YES it has. But then again, the set has also shipped according to the information I have thus far. So in that regard, it's not surprising since every place charges you when the item is shipped.

Hopefully it'll be all good news in tomorrows report.

No no...I didn't ask if the vendor claims they charged your card, obviously
that would mean nothing. Of course my question was "did you call your
card company and verify that your card had been charged"? Typically
a card won't be charged until the vendor ships, or will ship within
one day.

yankeeman

09-25-05, 01:24 PM

I'm looking for any advice I can find on which size to choose. I have about 7 1/2 ft between my couch and the tv. Just doing some scouting the net looking at proper viewing angles, distances, and such, it technically looks like I can get the 60". However, I'm concerned that sitting that close to the 60", non hi-def will look really crappy. I have no idea what to do and any help would be great, thanks.

We have had a ton of people ask this question in this thread (including me at one time!). I have decided on the 60" to be IMMERSED in the picture, and if non-HD is a little worse, oh well, i will live with it as this set is going to last me a long time and ultimately most of what i watch will be HD or DVD. Remember as i always say, very few people have said "I wish I had gotten a smaller set" but quite a few have said "I wish I got a bigger set" or "I am really happy I got the bigger set".

Markriz

09-25-05, 01:33 PM

For those of you that ordered from Sonystyle, did you also get the warranty? Does it include the bulbs? I noticed that the 5 year warranty is $319.

The Sony rep told me that the warranty did *not* include the bulb. I decided to hold off on the warranty from Sony. (I was told that I could purchase it up to 11 months after purchase - as long as its before the 1 year warranty expires..)

yardman

09-25-05, 01:45 PM

The picture on the 50 appeared softer but it also looked more natural to my eyes. I'm sure you could adjust all of the goodies inside of this thing to get whatever picture you desired out of it. Black levels were fantastic as well as the detail hidden within them. Example of this was the DJ had dark sunglasses on his face while he was interviewing guests and on the 3LCD units that it appeared to be more of a black blotch while the SXRD displayed the glasses and you could see his eyes behind them. Don't take my word for it, judge it for yourself.

Nicely written and the detail in the black level with colours is what I was trying to elude to I heartily agree along with what you said about the natural colour and a kind of softness I found so relaxing to watch as apposed to wobbulated, spinning wheel, buzzing mirrors or noisy, buzzing plasmas. Oh colour is not spelt wrong, It’s just the Canadian way.

yardman

09-25-05, 01:52 PM

Yardman,

I was wondering where you decided to purchase your tv and if you got a good discount on it. Also, he practically recoiled when I said the word 'return'... I couldn't get out of the store fast enough after that!

I decided to go for broke now rather then wait for after christmas for the better prices but thought FS ( that's Future Shop) has a 36 months no intrest and could I get tax included, (15% in Ontario). What I was offered was GST (7%) pluse the 36 months and I thought thats not bad for a TV not in stock yet. So I flipped the FS plastic and called the Great Hunt over!

westa6969

09-25-05, 01:54 PM

No no...I didn't ask if the vendor claims they charged your card, obviously
that would mean nothing. Of course my question was "did you call your
card company and verify that your card had been charged"? Typically
a card won't be charged until the vendor ships, or will ship within
one day.
ShopSunshine in addition to being a B&M is an Ebay Power Seller also and can require immediate payment upon awarding an auction win but they are expected to have it available for shipment unless the terms between buyer/seller are otherwise. This is one situation where the Vendor could in fact charge the credit card before shipment so you don't get stiffed by the buyer. I've had buyers breach on Ebay and as a seller you can lose alot of money in fee's for nothing and so I and many others require immediate payment upon a winning bid or "Buy it Now" transaction. Ebay isn't letting anyone list for free so when someone breaches and it ends an auction Ebay bills the seller and going through arbitration is not free and the other party can just ignore it.

Regular B&M's may not and usually don't do this but Sellers on Ebay have been forced to get payment guarantee's since it wastes your efforts and means it ends up costing you money and alot of time for a few screwballs that submit fake bids.

I trust they must be doing things right since they have a 98.2% positive rating with over 15K sales - I'd gladly have my charge card hit a little sooner and save about $800 or more for the 60". I may place my order tomorrow with them as Crutch has delayed my order 3 times. It would be rare for a long term Power Seller on Ebay risk their business on Ebay for any type of shady transaction since that is how you make your living on Ebay is through TRUST relationship and Service - Let's hope this is the real deal. :)

yardman

09-25-05, 02:05 PM

Sony has a knack for dealing with inferior SD signals better than most via Digital Reality Chip - improving low grade SD signals. I can see this on my Sony LCD FP and it's the one area where it outshines my Sharp FP and should be even better on the SXRD - but then again I avoid watching those channels whenever possible but I have so many digital, premium and HD channels that I do SD very infrequently and I've rarely seen anyone do SD improvement of inferior PQ as good as Sony.[/B] :D

I am of the same understanding and Sony's Plasmas in Consumers Report were rated very highly. Mostly because of how a SD signal looked compared to the competitors. I am confidently assuming the XBR’s will do much better then average with SD input and that is as far as I am going to worry about that.

yardman

09-25-05, 02:11 PM

I'm looking for any advice I can find on which size to choose. I have about 7 1/2 ft between my couch and the tv. Just doing some scouting the net looking at proper viewing angles, distances, and such, it technically looks like I can get the 60". However, I'm concerned that sitting that close to the 60", non hi-def will look really crappy. I have no idea what to do and any help would be great, thanks.

Yo got it right on the nose. I am the same distance and If I am going to watch a lot of Law and Order reruns In SD for may years a 50" would be good . But if your intrest is get the best HD cable or Sat. service and you will be one of the first on your block to start a HD or Blueray movie collection get the 60" or wait for a 70".

westa6969

09-25-05, 02:53 PM

Yo got it right on the nose. I am the same distance and If I am going to watch a lot of Law and Order reruns In SD for may years a 50" would be good . But if your intrest is get the best HD cable or Sat. service and you will be one of the first on your block to start a HD or Blueray movie collection get the 60" or wait for a 70".
All my Law & Order reruns are on TNT and in our area it's totally HD 16:9 now (for about 2 months now) via Comcast - in fact TNT does a pretty great job with it especially their sports broadcasts.

Still waiting for HGTV, Comedy Channel, TBS to go HD but they look great on my Sony and Sharp LCD FP - but of course can't hold a candle to HD broadcasts (and never will or could) but still very good.

Canadian

09-25-05, 02:53 PM

Yardman

Can you let us know what kind of a deal you got with Futureshop? Price? 36 Month payment? Does that include the new stand, warranty, etc? I am in the same boat so I wondered what Futureshop did for you in terms of giving you a deal.

Thanks

Marco99

09-25-05, 02:59 PM

I have been lurking on this thread and the original Qualia thread (before it was turned into a Qualia) and I have viewed the Qualia 006 in Las Vegas a couple of times. Now that it is clear Sony is diminishing support for the Qualia line I think I am going to give up on that set (but what a beautiful set it is). I've also been discouraged by the fact there have been a lot of less than one year old blown bulbs in the Qualia 006 owner's thread lately (not to mention EXPENSIVE blown bulbs)...

So, I am thinking about getting the KDS-R60XBR1 even though I prefer the 70" Qualia 006. Did you guys realize the Qualia 006 with the speakers removed is 66" wide? That is the exact same width as the KDS-R60XBR1 with its unremovable speakers!!! 10" less of diagonal screen with the same width. Shame on Sony!!!

However, what I really want to know is whether anybody in the Greater Boston area has found a Sears to price match on the 60"? Did you get the 1 YR financing and the additional 10% by using a Sears charge? Please PM me the info if you think it will anger the forum gods to keep this piece of the thread going THANKS!!!

Ineedanewtv

09-25-05, 03:04 PM

I decided to go for broke now rather then wait for after christmas for the better prices but thought FS ( that's Future Shop) has a 36 months no intrest and could I get tax included, (15% in Ontario). What I was offered was GST (7%) pluse the 36 months and I thought thats not bad for a TV not in stock yet. So I flipped the FS plastic and called the Great Hunt over!

Hi Yardman. I'm in Canada as well (Toronto area), I haven't heard about this 36 month interest free deal with FS. Can you provide details. What did you have to pay up front? What was there "service" fee?

westa6969

09-25-05, 03:07 PM

I've also been discouraged by the fact there have been a lot of less than one year old blown bulbs in the Qualia 006 owner's thread lately (not to mention EXPENSIVE blown bulbs)...
I was informed that many of the Qualia owners were actually falsely reporting burned out bulbs so as to get a free spare during their first year warranty as I had questioned the same thing and that is what I was told sort of "off the record" that they were reporting them to get a freebie spare and I wouldn't blame them after paying $13K. Just what I was told by some Qualia owners. :D

iceengine

09-25-05, 03:14 PM

All my Law & Order reruns are on TNT and in our area it's totally HD 16:9 now (for about 2 months now) via Comcast - in fact TNT does a pretty great job with it especially their sports broadcasts.

Still waiting for HGTV, Comedy Channel, TBS to go HD but they look great on my Sony and Sharp LCD FP - but of course can't hold a candle to HD broadcasts (and never will or could) but still very good.

I wish comcast in my area would get TNT in HD.

Thanks everyone for the advice so far, I think I'm going to go for the 60", and just hope we get more and more HD programming. I can only imagine how it's going to feel going from my 30" Samsung, maybe I can actually immerse myself in a Giants game.

HomeGuy

09-25-05, 03:16 PM

Westa: I would use Paypal for your purchase for the Sony set on Ebay. Also, when you are getting ready to pay you can select credit card instead of having the money deducted from your checking/savings account. I would suggest the credit card alternative for added protection. If Sunshine can't deliver the set PayPal will investigate and get your money back. As a safe measure you'll have 90 days from the time of the charge on your credit card to charge it back if PayPal can't get your money back. I think you should be ok but I would be careful. Also, ask what happens if the set is damaged in transit.

Egan

09-25-05, 03:22 PM

Kind of OT, but anyone know why the bulbs in these sets cost $250? Are they really that difficult to manufacture, or use exotic materials?

yardman

09-25-05, 03:25 PM

Hi Yardman. I'm in Canada as well (Toronto area), I haven't heard about this 36 month interest free deal with FS. Can you provide details. What did you have to pay up front? What was there "service" fee?

FS right now has the old “36 payments, no interest on all home theatre Offer available in store only. Some conditions apply." For the week probably, So right after work Friday I scooted down to the local store and put a smile on my face. And yea a $99 admin fee :-(

solomita

09-25-05, 03:30 PM

Along the same thought I have a SXRD on order and wonder what the life time of the bulb is. I did not buy the extended warranty and have 30 days to cough up the extra cash.

The Good Guys extended warranty excludes user replaceable items such as bulbs. People shouldn't assume that an extended warranty will cover them unless they read it carefully first.

BuTal63

09-25-05, 03:33 PM

So, I am thinking about getting the KDS-R60XBR1 even though I prefer the 70" Qualia 006. Did you guys realize the Qualia 006 with the speakers removed is 66" wide? That is the exact same width as the KDS-R60XBR1 with its unremovable speakers!!! 10" less of diagonal screen with the same width. Shame on Sony!!

Try using the Search function for this thread and enter the terms "dumbo ears" or "wings of prey" and you shall have your answer. Much more answer than you could possibly want or need.

Re your comment on Qualia lamp failure complaints popping up, I saw that also. I too have concern about this issue; I really don't want to feed a lamp-hungry tv $250 every 8 or 9 months. I don't think it'll prevent my purchasing a 60 SXRD though, if the owner feedback soon to post here is as consistently good as the preliminary reports have been. I'm hoping the lower wattage bulb used in the SXRD's as compared to the Qualia 006 will be less prone to early failure. This stuff is all so new though, that hope is all we have.

I'm certainly going to try to find an extended warranty that includes bulb replacements. Unfortunately, that seems to be getting more difficult to find - a sure sign that bulb failure is not just a sporadic problem??

Welcome to the thread.

JimP

09-25-05, 03:40 PM

Regarding bulb life, would Sony stick their neck out with a 2,000 bulb when the competition last much longer?? Probably not.

BuTal63

09-25-05, 03:41 PM

Kind of OT, but anyone know why the bulbs in these sets cost $250? Are they really that difficult to manufacture, or use exotic materials?

Read through this and you'll wonder why they don't soak us double what they cost:

http://www.ercservice.com/lamps/philips/PhilipsUHPLamps.html

The lamp certainly seems to be an 'achilles heel' in this otherwise desirable technology.

riz

09-25-05, 03:44 PM

westa6969

09-25-05, 03:57 PM

Guys, I AM NOT trying to be a broken record or a downer.. i want this tv and bad it's just 4grand is a lot of money for me to spend on a tv and I'm wondering what you guys are gonna do in a year when true 1080p inputs come? Early adopters get screwed.. i've been screwed many times but never on 4 grand, always way less... i just don't get how screwed we will be in the future if we do not have the true inputs... seriously sorry but this is a tough decision for me to buy or wait and i've never been so confused as I am now :(
My God have you ever seen what these TV's look like? I view HD 1080i everyday and evening and it is frickin amazingly beautiful and I've been viewing it for 5 months on a 32" Sharp LCD FP in 16:9 and I still go WOW everyday and will now take it to 60" with the SXRD.

I have a hard time figuring out all the whining about 1080P Holy Grail when in the meantime all the doubting Thomases are really missing out on some fantastic viewing experiences. Sports viewing is a whole new experience in 16:9 HD - it gives you the best seat in the house with a you are there feeling and Jay Leno colors pop out of the screen and so does most of the other evening programming.

I don't mean to be argumentative but you really must not know what your missing. When 1080P as a source becomes widely available which may be a few years down the road they'll have a secondary device that will work on this TV and if it doesn't I'm still amazed everyday at what I'm seeing and it's 1080i or 720P. If this is what you call getting screwed I'm enjoying it and will even more when the 60" arrives to give a HT immersiveness! Go ask the Qualia owners that ponied up $13K if they feel they've been screwed - that would be rare and we are getting these for about a third of what they paid. "Life is a Journey (1080i) not a Destination (1080P)" enjoy the Journey and worry about the destination later on as we could be dead before true 1080P in every source is available. Thanks!:D

AUPigskin--

09-25-05, 04:03 PM

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Egan

09-25-05, 04:04 PM

Thanks for that info BuTal63.

I don't understand the hysteria over no 1080p input either.

yardman

09-25-05, 04:06 PM

BuTal63

09-25-05, 04:22 PM

I was informed that many of the Qualia owners were actually falsely reporting burned out bulbs so as to get a free spare during their first year warranty as I had questioned the same thing and that is what I was told sort of "off the record" that they were reporting them to get a freebie spare and I wouldn't blame them after paying $13K. Just what I was told by some Qualia owners. :D

I have read that also. Indeed, some have even bragged about this strategy openly on the Qualia thread and suggested it to other Qualia owners there.

However, the wording of these latest Qualia posts seems to indicate these latest reported failures are the real deal. I don't see what the advantage would be to these Qualia owners announcing an early bulb failure to fellow 'Qualians' on the thread, if it weren't true, and especially considering the great pride these Qualia owners have had in their sets' reliability thus far. Rather, it looks to me like victims notifying fellow potential victims of a problem.

Oh well, now back to the SXRD's.

JimP

09-25-05, 04:24 PM

OldPro

09-25-05, 04:43 PM

The Good Guys extended warranty excludes user replaceable items such as bulbs. People shouldn't assume that an extended warranty will cover them unless they read it carefully first.

I went with the Sears extended warranty and it includes unlimited lamp replacement, and they will send someone out to do the replacement(s). I figure I will need at least one replacement within five years, which makes it a pretty good deal. Two would be close to a push on the warranty, assuming there are no other problems with the set, and based on my past 25+ years experience with Sony TVs, I don't anticipate additional problems. Nevertheless, it's nice to have a safety net.

maximum360

09-25-05, 05:08 PM

No luck with the Sears I went to today. They would only give me 10% off (the additional 10% off for using the sears card expired yesterday).

I didn't see the SXRD listed on Tweeter otherwise I could use them (if they had some kind of discount) for a price match. Looks like I might just have a grab a snickers, it may be a while until a good deal opens up.

overcast

09-25-05, 05:32 PM

Well, I've been to two separate sears, best I could do in an hour and half before closing. First Sears said they would probably have them in by Oct 4th, however they would not match any store outside of being local. Even if there is a Sears near the location of the place. I tried both ShopSunshine and PC Richards. He explained to me that there are different markets, and prices are more competitive downstate (I'm am in upstate New York). So I asked what the difference was if Sears is charging the same price down there. I could just drive down there , pricematch with Sears there and drive back and still come out way ahead. He didn't have much to say to that, so I left.

The second Sears I went to, had no idea what I was talking about and said that two weeks ago they heard they would not be carrying any of the new Sony SXRD's. Figure that one out.

Micro

09-25-05, 05:34 PM

I am ready to buy also, but this is the first time I am waiting rather then rushing out to buy. I am looking at maybe Christmas or just after New Years, that’s when I will venture out to the B&M and then only then buy one. I like watching everyone talk about is this the right time to buy? If you want it now buy it and stop second thinking yourself about it, but I think if the price falls of which it will; we all can agree on that, how much time will tell, then I can maybe get the stand and the television what everyone is buying just the set alone today.

Just my 2Cent worth.

tonydeluce

09-25-05, 05:37 PM

I am ready to buy also, but this is the first time I am waiting rather then rushing out to buy. I am looking at maybe Christmas or just after New Years, that’s when I will venture out to the B&M and then only then buy one. I like watching everyone talk about is this the right time to buy? If you want it now buy it and stop second thinking yourself about it, but I think if the price falls of which it will; we all can agree on that, how much time will tell, then I can maybe get the stand and the television what everyone has bought just the set alone now. Just my 2Cent worth.

Your probably right. But is the price of that stand worth missing
Football season and four months or so of stunning PQ?

Micro

09-25-05, 05:49 PM

I think it is, I have been burnt may times, buying a new car the first year it comes out, buying Microsoft windows the first week it came out full of bugs. I think once people start getting these sets in there houses and then reading on this forum reading and hearing the pro’s and con’s then it should be safe to say yes I was right for once in my life to wait to buy.

maximum360

09-25-05, 05:54 PM

I'm really willing to wait as well but I wanted the sale of my current tv to be about the time of receipt of the new set. I'm trying to stall my RPTV sale as long as possible. If not I'm reduced to my secondary tv which is quite small, and for the most part, sucks.

Hopefully another great deal will open up in the next three weeks to a month.

tonydeluce

09-25-05, 05:55 PM

HomeGuy

09-25-05, 05:55 PM

Guys once these sets start shipping the price will drop fast. Be patient. Online retailers will discount the most and with several print outs of discounts you'll be in a better position to deal with a B&M. Westa: A hurricane could kill me tommorrow or a slip in the bathtub so I'd rather enjoy 1080I upscaled to 1080P on an awesome set then wait too. My 60" set will be about 12 feet from my couch so I really don't think I'll be able to see the difference in rez between a true 1080P signal and a 1080I upconverted signal. Even closeup I doubt that I'll be able to see a difference. The big upgrade with the SXRD set is that there is no SDE, no pixels structure visible, and the picture has the pop and smoothness of a Plasma without the glare and burn-in (Burn-in is now temporary on my set but still there). That is HUGE!!! This set will keep me happy for a long time. I just wish it was not as wide so in a year it would go to the bedroom and I would get a new set (love my toys). But the bedroom will now get the latest and greatest in a year or so.

maximum360

09-25-05, 05:59 PM

Marco99

09-25-05, 06:09 PM

I have read that also. Indeed, some have even bragged about this strategy openly on the Qualia thread and suggested it to other Qualia owners there.

However, the wording of these latest Qualia posts seems to indicate these latest reported failures are the real deal. I don't see what the advantage would be to these Qualia owners announcing an early bulb failure to fellow 'Qualians' on the thread, if it weren't true, and especially considering the great pride these Qualia owners have had in their sets' reliability thus far. Rather, it looks to me like victims notifying fellow potential victims of a problem.

Oh well, now back to the SXRD's.

Yes, I knew about the "reports of failure" to get a FREE new bulb also, but it appears that lately in the owner's thread as though there is a bout of REAL failures.

And if the earliest delivery is Jan. 2005 that is an 8 month bulb life. Granted, it gets very hot and perhaps the TV's fan system within a possibly warm house and the fact summer is just ending shortened the life of these things...

Anyway, the XBR's bulb isn't as hot or bright, so maybe it'll last longer...

stevel

09-25-05, 06:12 PM

Did you guys realize the Qualia 006 with the speakers removed is 66" wide? That is the exact same width as the KDS-R60XBR1 with its unremovable speakers!!! 10" less of diagonal screen with the same width. Shame on Sony!!!
Yes, and this burns me too. Today I looked at the Qualia 006 (again, but this time with better source material.) What a beautiful HD picture. I am really lusting after the R60XBR1. but my wife hates the "Dumbo Ears" and is steering me toward the A20 instead (which not only does not have Dumbo Ears but is 4" narrower to boot.)

BTW, I asked the salesman to show me SD (OTA) on the 006 and it did look pretty bad, though better than my KPR-53XBR45.

I'm not going to decide until I see the R60 in person.

Oh, that Qualia is such a gorgeous set, even turned off. But a 70" screen is just too much for my room. (And the $12K price tag more than I'd like to spend.)

HomeGuy

09-25-05, 06:22 PM

SpongeMan

09-25-05, 07:12 PM

Westa, great post and I couldn't agree with you more.

As far as the Sears pricematch goes, I went to mine in CT today and they wouldn't pricematch the Sunshine deal.

Said they have stopped price matching any NY offers. :(

Already have the TV ordered for a pretty sweet deal though, so no worries. Hell, it was a long shot, but it was definetly worth trying IMO.

Now I just need the damn thing to show up. Looking like Oct. 3rd here......

OldPro

09-25-05, 07:19 PM

Steve: You can always checkout the new JVC sets and there are a few other LCoS sets coming out too in the near future. JVC also has the speakers on the bottom so a 70" set is about the same width as the 60" Sony. I just am dismayed with JVC because they are on their 3rd generation of LCoS sets and they haven't gotten it right yet. I also am concerned that JVC doesn't list any CR numbers in their descrition of their new sets. With every other company listing numbers it makes me nervous. I also have read too many posts about reliability issues and weird QC problems. Perhaps they'll get it all together now and I'll wish I bought one too. Once the set (SXRD) is in the stores take your wife and once she sees how great the PQ is she may change her mind. It can't hurt to try. My wife always takes a tough stand and then wilts as time goes on.

I've seen the JVC in the store and it is very impressive. Nevetheless, I will stick with the Sony signt unseen. I'm a Sony guy untill they give me a resason not to be. If all goes according to plan, I'll have my SXRD next week and will report back.

HomeGuy

09-25-05, 07:26 PM

You probably saw the older 720P JVC which has very low contrast and bad detail in dark scenes. Do a search for JVC and you'll see all the posts for MODS to lower the brightness of the set and to improve BL and CR.

tonydeluce

09-25-05, 07:32 PM

I've seen the JVC in the store and it is very impressive. Nevetheless, I will stick with the Sony signt unseen. I'm a Sony guy untill they give me a resason not to be. If all goes according to plan, I'll have my SXRD next week and will report back.

I saw a JVC at GoodGuys and thought it had the best PQ in the store by
the feed they were playing it ( the HD Mits feed they play in every store ).
It was the brightest set in the store so I bought one from Amazon.com with no
return policy, received it a week later, popped in a DVD and have never been more
pissed in my life. The shadow content looked like mud - no detail whatsover...
and the blacks were grey.

From the so-called "shoot-out" reported by Forbes magazine even the
$45,000 *1080p* professional set has not improved CR much.

Trust me, you are making the right choice with the Sony SXRD, its has an AMAZING PQ ...

ABhatnagar

09-25-05, 07:48 PM

For those of you that ordered from Sonystyle, did you also get the warranty? Does it include the bulbs? I noticed that the 5 year warranty is $319.

I didn't, instead I have a calendar appointment to buy one next year in Aug/Sept...If you buy the extended warrenty, then it starts the day it is purchased.

So you are purchasing a warrenty for something that is already covered under warrenty for one year. Sony extended warrenties can be purchesed about 30 days from when it's current warrenty runs out.

Hope this helps.

-Arv

Gary_Kreie

09-25-05, 07:50 PM

ABhatnagar

09-25-05, 08:06 PM

Let me know what stand you get. I have the 60" ordered from sonystyle, and the sony stand that goeswith it is a bit big for my room. With a narrower stand in a corner, I can overlap the dumbo ears speakers over the hearth a little, and everything fits. Also $440 bucks (circuit city online) is a little steep for a stand.

Unless you have one of these two options, you may want to reconsider:
1. A custom platform for the TV, including support strap, etc... (This is my option)
2. A comprable TV stand that would support the TV well.

The reason why I say this is because the stand from Sony (sold at Circuit City) custom fits the TV in two big ways:
1. Provides a buckle/strap to connect into the back of the TV (you can order the buckle)
2. Fits the bezel with an inset to keep the TV from moving in any direction.

My custom in-wall center has been designed to include the buckle/strap AND a custom moulding that will lock in-place over top of the bezel. Just thought I would share my research about supporting this massive TV. If you doubt what I'm saying, then I suggest you go out to Circuit City and see for yourself. I and the cabinet maker did so, and was thankful we did.

-Arv

Marco99

09-25-05, 08:25 PM

Steve: You can always checkout the new JVC sets and there are a few other LCoS sets coming out too in the near future. JVC also has the speakers on the bottom so a 70" set is about the same width as the 60" Sony. I just am dismayed with JVC because they are on their 3rd generation of LCoS sets and they haven't gotten it right yet. I also am concerned that JVC doesn't list any CR numbers in their descrition of their new sets. With every other company listing numbers it makes me nervous. I also have read too many posts about reliability issues and weird QC problems. Perhaps they'll get it all together now and I'll wish I bought one too. Once the set (SXRD) is in the stores take your wife and once she sees how great the PQ is she may change her mind. It can't hurt to try. My wife always takes a tough stand and then wilts as time goes on.

I agree that you need to work on your SO over time. Start with outrageous prices (like Qualia at 13K) and work your way down. Also, always let them see the retail prices so when you get the discount online or through price matching they know you've saved some money. But definitely get them to look at TV's with you at least once a month for MANY months before you try to buy a TV that is several thousand dollars. It also doesn't hurt to show them the plasma's TV's that go for 6K - 8K and are smaller... ;)

maximum360

09-25-05, 09:58 PM

I found this on IGN:

The SXRD (Silicon X-tal*1 Reflective Display) is a variation of the LCOS technology, in which three panels are used to create digital images—one for red, one for blue, and one for green. It displays images at 1920x1080 or 1080p with more than 6.0 million total pixels. SXRD is a Sony original technology, and is also completely manufactured by Sony. The SXRD refinements of the basic LCOS technology optimize the inherent light modulation and throughput efficiencies of this technology. The result is a high contrast, artifact free, bright high- resolution image. According to Sony, "SXRD delivers natural, vivid tones and smooth, film-like picture quality, which has been previously unavailable in fixed pixel display devices." And just like the D-ILA the SXRD technology does not suffer from the "screen door effect" or the "rainbow effect"

The new models are digital cable ready with a CableCard slot with Sonys S-Master® Digital Amplifier and SRS TruSurround. Other features include HDMI inputs , three i.LINK (IEEE 1394) inputs, a PC input, optical output, and a Memory Stick flash media viewer. I must say that out of all the video displays I had a chance to see the rear projection SXRDs impressed me the most. Looking at a 1080p hi-def image, was just phenomenal, making the all mighty plasma look like it was lacking in detail. Sorry Matt. If there was a top dog of the show, in my humble opinion this KDS-R50XBR1 definitely was the one. Units will ship in September. Can't wait, do you think Sony will send me one for review?

http://gear.ign.com/articles/652/652419p5.html

gweempose

09-25-05, 09:59 PM

I agree that you need to work on your SO over time. Start with outrageous prices (like Qualia at 13K) and work your way down.The only problem with this strategy is that you might be hit with divorce papers before you have a chance to work your way down. :)

maximum360

09-25-05, 10:04 PM

The only problem with this strategy is that you might be hit with divorce papers before you have a chance to work your way down. :)

Indeed.

Bombthroat

09-25-05, 10:21 PM

Bombthroat

09-25-05, 10:25 PM

ShopSunshine in addition to being a B&M is an Ebay Power Seller also and can require immediate payment upon awarding an auction win but they are expected to have it available for shipment unless the terms between buyer/seller are otherwise. This is one situation where the Vendor could in fact charge the credit card before shipment so you don't get stiffed by the buyer. I've had buyers breach on Ebay and as a seller you can lose alot of money in fee's for nothing and so I and many others require immediate payment upon a winning bid or "Buy it Now" transaction. Ebay isn't letting anyone list for free so when someone breaches and it ends an auction Ebay bills the seller and going through arbitration is not free and the other party can just ignore it.

Regular B&M's may not and usually don't do this but Sellers on Ebay have been forced to get payment guarantee's since it wastes your efforts and means it ends up costing you money and alot of time for a few screwballs that submit fake bids.

I trust they must be doing things right since they have a 98.2% positive rating with over 15K sales - I'd gladly have my charge card hit a little sooner and save about $800 or more for the 60". I may place my order tomorrow with them as Crutch has delayed my order 3 times. It would be rare for a long term Power Seller on Ebay risk their business on Ebay for any type of shady transaction since that is how you make your living on Ebay is through TRUST relationship and Service - Let's hope this is the real deal. :)

Just so we're all clear, I did not buy this from Sunshine Electronics through Ebay. This was a direct purchase over the phone.

I agree with your sentiment above though, with 15k items sold and a solid Ebay rating, it seems unlikely they would risk their reputation to sell an item they don't intend to deliver on.

JimP

09-25-05, 10:28 PM

Bombthroat,

You know, it sounds as sure as can be that the card was charged. But, and a big but, don't credit card companies have a way so that a vendor can reserve part of the credit limit without you actually being obligated?? Still worth a call to the credit card company.

sycore

09-25-05, 10:42 PM

I logged in to look at my card statement online and it has definitely been charged for the total purchase price. It shows up as a line item on my latest online statement. Is this proof enough or do you feel it still warrants an actual call to the credit card company?

I hope that last sentence doesn't seem condescending or sarcastic. I'm really wondering if I should consider that proof that my card has actually been charged?

Trust me, your card has been charged. Trust me, you will be not getting your set on Monday. You will get it eventually, but you will be informed there was a mix up and you will be getting it "next week"

Bombthroat

09-25-05, 10:51 PM

Trust me, your card has been charged. Trust me, you will be not getting your set on Monday. You will get it eventually, but you will be informed there was a mix up and you will be getting it "next week"

We'll see what happens. I'm not really in that big of a rush. I just want the set in time to play Xbox 360. Don't get me wrong, I hope it comes tomorrow, but if it's next week then it's not the end of the world.

The only thing I'd be ticked off about if it doesn't arrive tomorrow is having to take the flex time from work to be home during the delivery time on Monday.

I'll be sure to post an update tomorrow either way.

Marco99

09-25-05, 11:09 PM

The only problem with this strategy is that you might be hit with divorce papers before you have a chance to work your way down. :)

WOW, man, I am sorry to hear things are that touch and go for you! At least make sure you get the TV in the divorce settlement! ;)

Seriously, though, my SO gets significant enjoyment from our Home Theater. And I've spent a fair amount of money on a lot of equipment and tweaks. So, she's used to my making changes and upgrades and my never being happy with the status quo.

But she actually likes our current TV and it has been a slow process convincing her it is due for an upgrade. Besides, it is a significant purchase ($$$$). I can afford it, but she'll be thinking about other things I could have bought instead.

Besides, letting her slow me up sometimes is a good thing. I almost bought a plasma TV last year and that would have been a mistake (not big enough)...

Now, where's the first SXRD XBR going to be shown in the Boston area?!?!

ABhatnagar

09-25-05, 11:31 PM

... I just want the set in time to play Xbox 360.

I'm with you, can't wait to play Xbox 360 on this sucker. Should be pretty awesome on a 60"

Been sitting here all weekend rebuilding my PC to hook it up to through the TV as well. Nothing can beat the resolution on a Computer Monitor, but this TV should be good enough for the PC. Anyways, my intentions are to get a PC internal drive for Blue-Ray/HD-DVD once this comes out so that I don't have to get a whole new player to see DVD's in either of these formats.

Gary - Checkout this picture of the TV Stand to see what I was speaking of earlier.

-Arv

P.S. Haven't checked yet, but am hoping to get a call from the freight company tomorrow to schedule my delivery. (Cross my figers :) )

HomeGuy

09-25-05, 11:33 PM

Bombthroat: My credit card companies gives me 90 days to dispute a charge while some only give 30 days. You have protections as a consumer. I would give them a few weeks to get you the set and then you can always start a chargeback.

JeffNLA

09-25-05, 11:43 PM

If it seems too good to be true - it probably is. I can't imagine store getting it before sonystyle, but I guess it's possible.

Be a little patient and get it from a reputable source. You will be glad you waited the extra couple of weeks in the long run. You are probably planning on keeping this set for years too - what is a couple of weeks?

Lord Flatus

09-26-05, 01:29 AM

I went with the Sears extended warranty and it includes unlimited lamp replacement, and they will send someone out to do the replacement(s). I figure I will need at least one replacement within five years, which makes it a pretty good deal. Two would be close to a push on the warranty...
When I check the Sears warranty price, it says $899 for 5 years.

solomita

09-26-05, 02:34 AM

The first Sears I went to actually knew that it wasn't supposed to price match from out of area. The guy at the second Sears store didn't think twice about policies, and price matched ShopSunshine without even thinking. So I've paid the ShopSunshine price, minus an extra 10% of the difference between MSRP and ShopSunshine's price, add in sales tax. Delivery is free.

I didn't get the extra 10% for having used my Sears card, which is a shame, but I'll survive somehow! Time to cancel my GG's order.

Papajin

09-26-05, 02:45 AM

The only problem with this strategy is that you might be hit with divorce papers before you have a chance to work your way down.

Look at the bright side... There won't be anyone around to say "no" any more. Just make sure the divorce goes through BEFORE you get the new set.

solomita

09-26-05, 03:06 AM

Does anyone know if the Sony stand can be used without the middle shelf? Will this result in any structural stability issues? My center speaker is 8" tall and won't fit otherwise.

paulbf1

09-26-05, 03:31 AM

That's an incredible understatement.

www.shopsunshine.com

Note that they're a "brick and mortar" with a real store.

Check www.resellerratings.com and look at the dissatisfied opinions.

Not too good and dishonest sometimes. I sure hope that bombthroat gets his set tomorrow, but I have my doubts.

Paul

OldPro

09-26-05, 03:42 AM

When I check the Sears warranty price, it says $899 for 5 years.

The five year Sears warranty is $599 and everything is in-home. That is what I paid in SoCal and I find it hard to believe that the price varies in other parts of the country. That's a bit stiff, except for the unlimited bulb replacement, which I thought made it a pretty good deal. One bulb in five years is almost a sure thing and two is very possible. Were it not for this bulb business, I would not have gone with the EW.

solomita

09-26-05, 03:53 AM

The five year Sears warranty is $599 and everything is in-home. That is what I paid in SoCal and I find it hard to believe that the price varies in other parts of the country. That's a bit stiff, except for the unlimited bulb replacement, which I thought made it a pretty good deal. One bulb in five years is almost a sure thing and two is very possible. Were it not for this bulb business, I would not have gone with the EW.

The Sears computer brought up $899 for me as well, which I obviously did not take. I'm in San Francisco. My single biggest problem with these kind of warranties is no control over who does the work. I've dealt with "authorized" repair centers which take weeks to do the work, and their people are quite incompetent. But including the bulbs makes it tempting.

tonydeluce

09-26-05, 04:32 AM

The Sears computer brought up $899 for me as well, which I obviously did not take. I'm in San Francisco. My single biggest problem with these kind of warranties is no control over who does the work. I've dealt with "authorized" repair centers which take weeks to do the work, and their people are quite incompetent. But including the bulbs makes it tempting.

You are absolutely right - you don't want some bozo showing up to repair
your TV. Is the Sony warranty only 1 year? If so, most Plantinum cards
will double the warranty for total of 2 years for free. My Plantinum Visa offers
an additonal 3 years for a total of 5 years for about $400 for a $4000 TV.

You can have any manufactured authorized person you want repair the
TV which eliminates the bozo factor...

OldPro

09-26-05, 04:33 AM

The Sears computer brought up $899 for me as well, which I obviously did not take. I'm in San Francisco. My single biggest problem with these kind of warranties is no control over who does the work. I've dealt with "authorized" repair centers which take weeks to do the work, and their people are quite incompetent. But including the bulbs makes it tempting.

If that's the case, they must have just jacked the price up and I got in under the wire. Color me naive, but I don't expect any problems with these SXRDs other than blub replacement. If there is a problem, I would expect it to show up immediately, not two years down the road. Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

JimP

09-26-05, 06:30 AM

solomita and OldPro

If you check the Sears website, the 3 year in home warranty is $599.99 and the 5 year is $899.99.

OldPro, are you sure you got the 3 year or the 5 year???

webspinner

09-26-05, 08:02 AM

The price of EWs differs quite a bit between tvs, and I've read that this can be a good gauge of how problematic the particular technology is expected to be. The dlp tv I bought last December had a 5-yr EW at $499; the 60" sxrd at the same store has the 5-yr EW at $699. Does this seem surprising to anyone besides me?

Also, it seems like every EW I ever purchased went unused. So, last year I passed on an EW for a printer which promptly died shortly after the 1-yr manufacturer's warranty expired. That'll learn me. For those of you who WILL be getting an EW, which does NOT include bulb replacement (i.e. you're only buying it in case the tv dies), will you be getting the 3-yr or the 5-yr? Has anyone had problems crop up in the 4th and 5th years after having no problems for the first three?

JimP

09-26-05, 08:13 AM

The price of EWs differs quite a bit between tvs, and I've read that this can be a good gauge of how problematic the particular technology is expected to be. The dlp tv I bought last December had a 5-yr EW at $499; the 60" sxrd at the same store has the 5-yr EW at $699. Does this seem surprising to anyone besides me?

...snip...

The 60" SXRD cost more than most dlps, so wouldn't you expect the extended warranty to cost more??

I think you're fundamentally right. I would expect extended warranty pricing to vary depending on the failure experience with each TV/manufacturer. I just don't know first hand if the retailers bother to go into that much detail or choose to opt for warranty pricing based on retail price of the TVs.

maximum360

09-26-05, 08:28 AM

It seems Sunshine's customer service is in question as well as their "tactics" when it comes to delivering goods on time. I guess if you don't mind the wait time (and if there are no delivery problems) things should be fine. At the moment it seem, you can't beat their price though.

To sum it all up, YMMV.

FatNoah

09-26-05, 10:14 AM

Of course my question was "did you call your
card company and verify that your card had been charged"? Typically
a card won't be charged until the vendor ships, or will ship within
one day.

I have a very different story. I purchased my Mits 46" RPTV about four years and couple months ago. My credit card still has not been charged! I'm definitely glad I got the matching base and service plan...though the TV died last month...one month after plan end! :( Oh well, SXRD for me!

FYI, it was one of those Mitsubishi card no interest, no payments for a year promos. I did call Mitsubishi several times over the year after I got the set and they always informed that my balance was $0, and my credit report shows card balance paid in full.

jdanon

09-26-05, 10:23 AM

I wonder when good ol' Crutchfield will get some of these TVs. I watch my delivery date get pushed back almost weekly since my order has been in last month. I'd say if you really want this TV before the holiday season the best place to get it if you don't mind paying a little bit of a premium for it is at a local store. I haven't been persuaded to cancel my order just yet though I'm starting to think even Oct. 13 which is really only a couple of weeks away probably will come and go with me being SXRD-less!

ABhatnagar

09-26-05, 10:33 AM

Just checked Sony web site and they no longer show this TV as a preorder item. This is good news!

However, I also checked my order and it still shows as 'Currently Out of Stock'...I'm on the phone (on hold) right now with Sony Customer Care....

-Arv

G.B.

09-26-05, 10:38 AM

Please Post when Sony Post's the Manual for this set XBR 1....

ABhatnagar

09-26-05, 10:43 AM

Guess their warehouse still does not have their systems updated yet...expected later today though!

-Arv

jdanon

09-26-05, 10:44 AM

The manuals have been posted for quite some time on Sony's web site.

OldPro

09-26-05, 11:11 AM

solomita and OldPro

If you check the Sears website, the 3 year in home warranty is $599.99 and the 5 year is $899.99.

OldPro, are you sure you got the 3 year or the 5 year???

Oops. Looks like I have the 3 year after all. My brain obviously went south somewhere during negotiations. And I thought $599 was a bit stiff for a five year EW. $899? Yikes. I'll stick with the 3 year, which should be good for one bulb. As I said before, if the set hasn't blown up by then, it's probably good to go for at least 10 years. I knew there was a reason I never became a contracts administrator.

TV Tyro

09-26-05, 11:50 AM

I just called Crutchfied hoping they might have been shipped a couple of display models to show off, thus encouraging some pre-orders. No such luck. They are still talking 10/7 for the 50" model.

Uninvited Guest

09-26-05, 12:14 PM

I have a very different story. I purchased my Mits 46" RPTV about four years and couple months ago. My credit card still has not been charged! I'm definitely glad I got the matching base and service plan...though the TV died last month...one month after plan end! :( Oh well, SXRD for me!

FYI, it was one of those Mitsubishi card no interest, no payments for a year promos. I did call Mitsubishi several times over the year after I got the set and they always informed that my balance was $0, and my credit report shows card balance paid in full.It might be a good idea to run a credit report on yourself.

Lord Flatus

09-26-05, 12:52 PM

Does anybody have any experience with getting the extended warranty from Sony? $319 for a five year plan (no bulbs) seems reasonable.

Can you buy the TV from an online place for the best price and then get the EW from Sony afterwards?

How is the service with the Sony direct plan?

yankeeman

09-26-05, 12:58 PM

jdanon

09-26-05, 12:59 PM

Crutchfield probably has no idea either. If the first sets are leaving the Sony factory today, then in about a week or so Crutchfield should have them in their warehouse. By a week after that date, they should have sorted through all the TVs and shipped them out, so assuming the sets are on the way to Crutchfield this week, we'll probably start seeing them get delivered in about 2-3 weeks which is around the Oct. 13 date.

maximum360

09-26-05, 01:07 PM

I got an EW for my RPTV. I had the Toshiba HDX82 that had too many issues to list during the year I had it. Eventually I bugged Toshiba enough so that they replaced it with an HX83 (my HDX82 literally died one day after the one year warranty was up but since I had so many problems they did replace it). I then decided to get the EW. This model has been great to me so far. I have had it a year+ and never had an issue. Now I'm about to sell the TV with a 4 year warranty that I never needed.

It's rolling the dice really.

BuTal63

09-26-05, 01:31 PM

Oops. Looks like I have the 3 year after all. My brain obviously went south somewhere during negotiations. And I thought $599 was a bit stiff for a five year EW. $899? Yikes. I'll stick with the 3 year, which should be good for one bulb. As I said before, if the set hasn't blown up by then, it's probably good to go for at least 10 years. I knew there was a reason I never became a contracts administrator.

By any chance, did you pay for the EW with a Sears MasterCard? If so, you may be entitled to an additional year's coverage. Most VISA and MasterCard plans provide this benefit. I doubt this would apply though, if you used the regular Sears charge card.

Good reminder for everyone - VISA and MasterCard will double any manufacturer's standard warranty, up to a maximum of one year. In the case of these SXRD's, that effectively doubles the Sony factory warranty. This also applies to any EW purchased with a VISA or MasterCard.

Most folks know this, but it's so easy to forget about it by the time the original warranty has expired. Believe me, I speak from experience.

jdanon

09-26-05, 01:34 PM

I've never bought one either. It's kind of silly if you think about it. Spend $5k on a TV and then you tell me I have to fork over another $500 or $900 or whatever it is to ensure that something doesn't break due to Sony's manufacturing process or poor parts/design selection? There's not really a reason for anything to break (that we the consumers would be liable for) once these things get inside someone's house unless of course they're whaling on it with a baseball bat or pouring water into the thing.

AlanBuck

09-26-05, 01:35 PM

Is anybody NOT getting the extended warantee? I have never bought one in my life for anything, i figure if i buy quality items they will not break down in a major way after the warantee is over and i have never been burned yet.

I would love not to spend hundreds of dollars to gamble that the tv will break down and have a real expensive repair job.

The best idea is to NEVER buy an extended warranty. They are the # 1 profit item at retail stores. If you refuse a warranty EVERYTIME, YOU will win for sure in the long haul. If you do decide to buy a warranty on one these TV's, make sure it at least includes bulb replacements. That would be by far the most likely problem on these. Most other electronic failures happen early in the product's life. ( Within the 1 year Sony warranty)

Bombthroat

09-26-05, 01:48 PM

ball3r

09-26-05, 01:52 PM

:eek: Wow!!!! That is great news! Look forward to your review.

JimP

09-26-05, 01:53 PM

jdanon

09-26-05, 01:55 PM

How is that possible?! You mean to tell me Sunshine has the first sets anywhere in the U.S.?

maximum360

09-26-05, 02:00 PM

Yes. We want pictures. Lots of em. ;)

jdanon

09-26-05, 02:01 PM

Haven't we all seen what they look like?? There are plenty of pictures on Crutchfield's and Sony's web site.

Uninvited Guest

09-26-05, 02:03 PM

Haven't we all seen what they look like?? There are plenty of pictures on Crutchfield's and Sony's web site.The villagers with the torches and pitch forks want proof of delivery.

OldPro

09-26-05, 02:05 PM

Haven't we all seen what they look like?? There are plenty of pictures on Crutchfield's and Sony's web site.

Yea, but those are like pictures of big foot. This is a real TV is a real person's home.

jdanon

09-26-05, 02:06 PM

true... I'm still shocked that it's possible someone has one.

Uninvited Guest

09-26-05, 02:07 PM

Oh I almost forgot...

http://www.fastcougar.com/forums/custom_images/emoticons/needpics.gif

:D

tonydeluce

09-26-05, 02:09 PM

ball3r

09-26-05, 02:10 PM

Yea, but those are like pictures of big foot. This is a real TV is a real person's home.

I didn't realize this was the Brillian thread. :p

maximum360

09-26-05, 02:11 PM

Yea, but those are like pictures of big foot. This is a real TV is a real person's home.

Indeed.

http://www.chosenones.net/believe.jpg

That's my starter picture.

BuTal63

09-26-05, 02:11 PM

Just so everyone knows. I did receive the KDS-R60XBR1 today from Sunshine Electronics as stated. I hooked it up real quick and tried PS2 and a DVD on it. It looks and works awesome. I'll post later tonight with more details after I've had some time to get everything setup.

Later.

WooHoo!! I believe this makes you SXRD Owner #1 here.

Yes, by all means post your address and I'll be headed west on the PA Turnpike pronto! I don't mind picking up anyone else in that direction too.

Hurry up. Phillies are on at 1900. OK, we can switch to Monday Night Football at 2100 if you insist. I guess it is your set. :D

Pictures, pictures pictures please (just so we can all believe you, heehee). And stand by for questions, questions, questions.

Nice going! :)

Uninvited Guest

09-26-05, 02:13 PM

WooHoo!! I believe this makes you SXRD Owner #1 here.

Yes, by all means post your address and I'll be headed west on the PA Turnpike pronto! I don't mind picking up anyone else in that direction too.

Hurry up. Phillies are on at 1900. OK, we can switch to Monday Night Football at 2100 if you insist. I guess it is your set. :D

Pictures, pictures pictures please (just so we can all believe you, heehee). And stand by for questions, questions, questions.

Nice going! :)GREAT! A new TV and a roomate/stalker! :eek:

:D

maximum360

09-26-05, 02:14 PM

My gosh man. What are you doing...trying to enjoy the tv? Get to posting.

FatNoah

09-26-05, 02:17 PM

Perhaps we should charter an SXRD train to Pittsburgh?

I just called my local SonyStyle (Boston) and they have no idea when they'll have one of these sets on display, though they "are trying to get one ASAP." :(

BuTal63

09-26-05, 02:20 PM

My gosh man. What are you doing...trying to enjoy the tv? Get to posting.

If I recall one of his earlier posts, I believe he said he would have to return to work after the delivery.

How utterly rude and inconsiderate of him. It's just a job. We're talking SXRD report here!:D

jdanon

09-26-05, 02:21 PM

You'd think Sony would take care of their own stores first. None of the big stores here in the NYC area have them for delivery yet.

JimP

09-26-05, 02:24 PM

Work? You mean someone on here actually has a job?? :D

BuTal63

09-26-05, 02:33 PM

GREAT! A new TV and a roomate/stalker! :eek:

:D

:D LOL :D

When I get there, I'll tell him I'm you > Uninvited Guest.

(Gotta keep reminding myself that all this/my hysteria is over a stinking tv set.)

jsessler

09-26-05, 02:39 PM

You'd think Sony would take care of their own stores first. None of the big stores here in the NYC area have them for delivery yet.

Sony does not give preferential treatment to their own stores. It is all about who places their orders first in Sony's ordering system and what allocation that store/chain is given.

Jeff

BuTal63

09-26-05, 02:59 PM

Work? You mean someone on here actually has a job?? :D

Man, that is a great point!

After all, anyone who actually had to work for a living wouldn't be foolish enough to spend umpteen thou$and dollar$ on a lousy tv.

Wait a minute, I forgot about the NFL. Nevermind. :D

Uninvited Guest

09-26-05, 02:59 PM

:D LOL :D

When I get there, I'll tell him I'm you > Uninvited Guest.

(Gotta keep reminding myself that all this/my hysteria is over a stinking tv set.)That's fine... if you thinks that's really Bombthroat at the door... mua ha ha... http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/ed/pop.gif

empire_of_one

09-26-05, 03:02 PM

BuTal63

09-26-05, 03:05 PM

That's fine... if you thinks that's really Bombthroat at the door... mua ha ha... http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/ed/pop.gif

LOL!

sophie

09-26-05, 03:12 PM

Congrats!!! I'm most impressed that you haven't (yet) gloated over the crow to be eaten by the doubters. Myself included.

I predict you will be as thrilled with the set as I am with my Q006.

jdanon

09-26-05, 03:16 PM

I'm not a doubter. Just surprised someone got one more than TWO weeks ahead of the dates being quoted by everyone else.

flashgordon333

09-26-05, 03:27 PM

To whom it may concern:

A&B TV in Austin, TX is supposed to have the SXRD's in stock as of Sunday. You can call them at (512) 454-4534.

I have not seen them and cannot get there until Wednesday.

solomita

09-26-05, 03:38 PM

I'm not a doubter. Just surprised someone got one more than TWO weeks ahead of the dates being quoted by everyone else.

If he were really smart, he would've ordered two. Think how much he could've sold the second one for? Had everyone come over and do an auction!

overcast

09-26-05, 03:52 PM

Assuming of course bombthroat isn't a ShopSunshine affiliate :D

OldPro

09-26-05, 04:01 PM

I'm not a doubter. Just surprised someone got one more than TWO weeks ahead of the dates being quoted by everyone else.

Well, I'm one week out. Just had a call from the installer guys (no way could I get this thing out of the box and plug the components in without screwing it up) and they are scheduled for next Tuesday. The Directv guys are showing up the same day with my HD dish and HR10-250 receiver (I f@rt in the general direction of you Directv bashers). The set arrives Monday, which is a week earlier than Sears originally scheduled it. So much for West Coast bias, assuming this holds up, and I feel pretty good about it. My reading of the tea leaves is that Sears is Sony's designated major retailer for the SXRD launch and that their delivery dates will hold up. Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Markriz

09-26-05, 04:09 PM

Got an update on the shipping for the 50". Wish I could go pick it up since it's only one state over! (Ordered from SonyStyle) In their shipping email they directed me to a shipping site NVCDirect which had the following info:

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Current Status: In Transit
Expected arrival at our local office is 09/30/05. You should receive a call within 3 business days of arrival to schedule your delivery.

Tracking
Location City, State Status Arrival Date
Origin / Shipper Mount Pleasant, PA PICKED UP Fri Sep 23, 05
Transit Point CORAOPOLIS , PA ESTIMATED Mon Sep 26, 05
Transit Point NEWARK, NJ ESTIMATED Wed Sep 28, 05
Local Office Rockleigh, NJ ESTIMATED Fri Sep 30, 05
Consignee CHERRY HILL, NJ

Products
Quantity SKU Manufacturer Description Weight
1 KDSR50XBR1 SONY 50" PROJ TV 115

So if it's been picked up for delivery, I'd imagine it'll be showing up soon in stores!

MYTV

09-26-05, 04:19 PM

I spoke with shopsunshine.com last week. I asked how many 60" sxrd's they had in stock, John ext-108 stated they currently had 6 in stock.

Canadian

09-26-05, 04:24 PM

Have you guys not even seen what these TVs look like in the flesh so to speak yet? Most of the stores around here have them on display (Toronto) and available for delivery within 3 days.

Uninvited Guest

09-26-05, 04:31 PM

Have you guys not even seen what these TVs look like in the flesh so to speak yet? Most of the stores around here have them on display (Toronto) and available for delivery within 3 days.Hockey AND SXRD sets.... ah, must be nice to be a Canadian! Except frence Quèbec of course ;)

jdanon

09-26-05, 04:35 PM

Nope never seen one in person. There's none to be had around here. I'm getting one sight unseen. Wanted it for college football season...unfortunately by the time I get it the season will be half over.

Canadian

09-26-05, 04:46 PM

Getting one sight unseen? Wow....you are a brave man. I can tell you that the sets are fantastic and you won't be disappointed. I am just trying to finagle the best deal I can right now between different stores. These sets are not the second coming of Christ but they are pretty fantastic. Especially if you get a chance to see a quality 1080i feed like the one I saw in the Sony Store of the beaches, nightlife, motorcycle etc. I can't imagine a television looking much better then that with the vibrancy of the colours, picture quality, and depth of blacks.

See them for yourselves but you will be impressed I am sure of that. :eek:

Canadian

09-26-05, 04:49 PM

I'm with you, can't wait to play Xbox 360 on this sucker. Should be pretty awesome on a 60"

Been sitting here all weekend rebuilding my PC to hook it up to through the TV as well. Nothing can beat the resolution on a Computer Monitor, but this TV should be good enough for the PC. Anyways, my intentions are to get a PC internal drive for Blue-Ray/HD-DVD once this comes out so that I don't have to get a whole new player to see DVD's in either of these formats.

Gary - Checkout this picture of the TV Stand to see what I was speaking of earlier.

-Arv

P.S. Haven't checked yet, but am hoping to get a call from the freight company tomorrow to schedule my delivery. (Cross my figers :) )

Guys up here in Canada the SXRD sets DO NOT look like that. They have the wings of prey. Just in case some of you that haven't seen them are getting confused. They look exactly like they show on Sonystyle.ca or on Crutchfield.