So lets review. The A10 series have replaced the WE. The A20 series have replaced the WF. Now we hear the 60" SXRD sets are extremely similar to the XS in appearance and dimensions. So are the 50" & 60" SXRDs replacing the XS and 950 XBR? That's my guess. The Qualia fills the current need for a 70" and it's price has room for reduction. It poises Sony to introduce feature filled SXRD XBR level sets (50, 60 & 70") in the spring of 2006 for summer/fall delivery.

So lets review. The A10 series have replaced the WE. The A20 series have replaced the WF. Now we hear the 60" SXRD sets are extremely similar to the XS in appearance and dimensions. So are the 50" & 60" SXRDs replacing the XS and XBR? That's my guess. The Qualia fills the current need for a 70" and it's price has room for reduction. It poises Sony to introduce feature filled SXRD XBR level sets (50, 60 & 70") in the spring of 2006 for summer/fall delivery.
That is certainly my guess, and what makes the most sense to me. Except the current 70" LCD XBR may be around a while longer to fill the price gap under the Qualia. But I suppose it's possible that they will just drop the Qualia price to 10k or lower. It's all speculation. *shrug* It'd also be a bummer for people who want a 55" set as only the A20 would be available.

The answer for your problem is to connect a Media Center Edition Computer system to your home theater and put all cds on a couple of 500GB hard drives. You can be online or play cds or stream movies to other rooms ---the possibilities are endless. Once set up its awesome and the new HTPCs look like another receiver or piece of av gear :)

RoyThere is no inherent limitation to bandwidth with this approach, correct (except for the size of your hard drive)? In other words, it would work fine with SACD and DVD-Audio tracks, as well? I can't see why it wouldn't...

There is no inherent limitation to bandwidth with this approach, correct (except for the size of your hard drive)? In other words, it would work fine with SACD and DVD-Audio tracks, as well? I can't see why it wouldn't...
I can do DVD-A with my HTPC set-up. I don't think my sound card does SACD though. However, I play them from my DVD-ROM drive, not off the hard drive. I'm not sure if you can rip DVD-A tracks. Never tried.

There is no inherent limitation to bandwidth with this approach, correct (except for the size of your hard drive)? In other words, it would work fine with SACD and DVD-Audio tracks, as well? I can't see why it wouldn't...

If you can find a computer SACD or DVD-A drive it would work. To my knowledge none exist. Without it you have no way to capture full resolution audio from those formats without using a multi-channel input soundcard. Again, I don't know what format you would encode in either to preserve the multi-channel audio. You'd also be restricted to using an HTPC in the listening room to decode the data stream, as no MCE component players (that I know of) would decode this unknown SACD or DVD-A stream. Not a bandwidth limitation mind you, just a hardware/software one. This doesn't even address copy protection schemes on these formats. :D

It'd also be a bummer for people who want a 55" set as only the A20 would be available.I'd prefer a 55" over a 50" too. :( Forces me up to the 60".

i thought i read somewhere (http://www.audioholics.com/news/editorials/DVDAudioEncryptionHacked.php) that the encryption on dvd-a was compromised, allowing dvd-a tracks to be ripped to the hd. then it would just be a matter of using software that decodes dvd-a. the software that comes with creative's cards works as well as windvd (i think).

[EDIT: Ah, it was on Audioholics...I added a link...]

The ones who arent complaining about the width of the unit probably don't have wives or they live in an apartment with furniture that looks like it was stolen from a Salvation Army depot... .. or.... they just have no sense of interior decorating... most guys don't but that doesnt make it right... ;)

I am with a previous poster... I am looking very hard at the new mitsubishi's now... Sony is eliminated unless the measurements given are false or are correct but the specs that WE KNOW OF... aren't revealing the fact that the Sony SXRD units will indeed have removable speakers. I'm not going to sacrifice screen size because some dillweed sony engineer wanted useless speakers.. Bottom line....I want a TV that it's cabinet is narrower than the diagonal viewing size.

The ones who arent complaining about the width of the unit probably don't have wives or they live in an apartment with furniture that looks like it was stolen from a Salvation Army depot... .. or.... they just have no sense of interior decorating... most guys don't but that doesnt make it right... ;)

I am with a previous poster... I am looking very hard at the new mitsubishi's now... Sony is eliminated unless the measurements given are false or are correct but the specs that WE KNOW OF... aren't revealing the fact that the Sony SXRD units will indeed have removable speakers. I'm not going to sacrifice screen size because some dillweed sony engineer wanted useless speakers.. Bottom line....I want a TV that it's cabinet is narrower than the diagonal viewing size.

It was more likely some dillweed marketing guy but your point is well taken :-)

I was laughing at you all, as I always buy the stand that goes with the TV so I never encounter those problems.

(I narrowly won the most recent battle with the wife over the current tv, however, as she finally agreed that her choosing everything everywhere else in the house, and my choosing the tv and stand, was a decent compromise.)

But then someone posts that the side speakers will be the wings like those on the XS models... Ughhh. Just damn ugly. I can't look at an ugly tv for the next 10 years. Certainly not an ugly 6k (with stand) tv... PLEASE SONY NO!

I like a TV to look great when off as well. That's why the 3LCDs are out of the question. All the current XBRs look great off - maybe I'll have to wait for the NEXT 60" Sony's with SXRD...

TVs are like women - convince yourself that it will become more attractive in time is just a mistake... it must be hot from day one.

Steve, can you confirm the "Wings" style speakers? Similar look to the XS?

In regards to media storage (off topic, but a very common problem), I built an entertainment center (hate that term) for our old TV and gear and I had 6 drawers that each held about 150 CDs or maybe 80 DVDs/XBox games. The problem was that the unit had to be very deep in order to accommodate all of the storage. Even at 32" deep and with storage for upwards of 1000 discs, we outgrew it. So again, I'm waffling between building a cabinet of drawers (maybe 3 drawers wide by 4 drawers high) about 24-28" deep that could potentially hold 1200+ discs, or do I build something modular and wall-mountable (think Pottery Barn/Ikea/Crate and Barrell) where if I need more storage, I just add another unit? I built my brother and his girlfriend a pretty nice bookshelf out of Ambrosia Maple that'll hold about 1000 discs, but the modular idea is tempting. The big problem is that I don't want it to look ugly or monstrous or too utilitarian, yet it needs to hold a lot of discs, etc. It's odd that more companies aren't addressing the "growing media collection" dilemma. Not that I'd buy any of it, but it would be nice to steal their ideas! :D

Jason

TVs are like women - convince yourself that it will become more attractive in time is just a mistake... it must be hot from day one.



but they each become more attractive when you're highly intoxicated :D

but they each become more attractive when you're highly intoxicated :D

Don't drink and buy.

but they each become more attractive when you're highly intoxicated :D
Yeah, when the wife gets pissed that you're drunk, just tell her that you're trying to fully appreciate her and the new TV! :D

Jason

Yeah, when the wife gets pissed that you're drunk, just tell her that you're trying to fully appreciate her and the new TV! :D

Jason

Tell her that the tv is definetely wider than her butt. :D

A couple of posters said that the side speakers add to the home theatre experience. ??????? That’s insane.

A screen!

SCREEN!

This is all we need!

A frameless, floating “image” provider.

These sets are part of a home theatre. There is NO need for any fancy speakers. They are a waste of money—for the buyers and the manufacturer. Two simple, small, flush mounted, unobtrusive, stereo speakers are all that should be incorporated in any HD “large” screen set.

Four years ago I deliberated between a 34” Sony wide screen CRT and a Panny Tau 34” WS, both extremely similar in features. I happily went with the Panny because it was all screen -- side to side. The speakers were inconspicuously hidden in the cabinet. The Sony had the extra wide sides with speakers in them. A friend bought that one. I enjoy the smart look of the Panny. All picture. When I watch my friends set I can’t help but cringe at the site of the speakers and how they intrude on image size.

It's not the "end of the world" for me if the set has dumbo ears-- i just hope they get it right.

Boy is Sony backwards. First they release 55" and 60" TVs with fewer features and no Cinema Black like their 42" and 50" TVs. Now they apparently are going to release their top-of-the-line sets with those speaker wings virtually everyone hates, instead of the nice neat attractive speaker scoop of the new A10s. I don't have the horizontal size restrictions that other people here have, but I can sympathize. Just remember, there's always JVC, LG and Hitachi.

I was laughing at you all, as I always buy the stand that goes with the TV so I never encounter those problems.
I wish it was that simple. I plan on buying the matching stand as well. My limitation is that the place in the room where the TV will go has limited width. The room is 16 x 20, but one wall is taken up by a fireplace and bookshelves, another is a wall of windows, and another side is open to the kitchen. The wall where the TV goes has two doors in it, and the TV has to go on the section of wall between the two doors. There's enough room to fit a 60-62" set there without side speakers, but with side speakers I'd have to drop down to the 50" set.

Based on the rave reviews for the Qualia 006, I'm betting the Sony SXRD's will be the best microdisplay RPTV choice out there, and that's why people with width contraints are disappointed that it won't work for them. If rainbows aren't a problem, then one of the 1080p DLP sets would be a good alternative. If they are a problem (as with me), then that leaves the JVC 1080p set. Hopefully its performance will at least approach the Sony's.

There are also upcoming 1080p LCoS sets from LG and Hitachi, but I haven't seen anything about the form factor on those.

Personally, I like the look of the side speakers. It enhances the wide screen perspective, but I understand why people don't like them - I don't use the set's speakers either, and my sister is waiting on the 42 inch A10 model because it will fit in her wood entertain center. I never liked that look myself, but then the family room with the big screen TV is in my domain rather than the rest of the house which is my wife's.

Thanks,
Mike

. It enhances the wide screen perspective,
Mike


I’m curious?

How is your experience enhanced? Please explain. Maybe it's me, I’m confused. Maybe you have a point that I am missing..??

At a movie theatre, at show time, the curtains always open all of the way and then they close to crop the screen to the exact aspect ratio. The speakers are behind the screen out of view. Side speakers, surround speakers, rear speakers are placed similarly to where one would place them in a home theatre.

I would not want to see speakers in a movie theatre extending from the top to the bottom and on either side of the screen. This would be an intrusion on the image.

I can understand people preferring the side speakers asthetically, and I can definitely understand people preferring what should be greater sound quality and stereo imaging from the wider spread of speakers if they don't like listening to everything through the home theater. Still though, in all the years I have been browsing this forum I have never seen one person say "I really wanted this tv, but the speakers are on the bottom instead of the side, and that is a deal breaker". We already have almost a dozen people in that situation in this one thread for the reverse.

I can't believe their market research would lead them to think side speakers would be viewed as superior. Maybe outside of this forum the realitly is more people prefer side speakers. Maybe it looks more "high tech" to the average person or something. More likely, maybe outside this forum most people don't notice or care, and there aren't enough of us that do for them to worry about.

Let's say the SXRD's come out and they allow 1080p60 over HDMI but they also have side speakers. Would people actually buy the Mitsubishi's simply because they don't have side speakers? Also I do prefer detachable speakers myself but I would consider 1080p inputs to be far more important.

Boy is Sony backwards. First they release 55" and 60" TVs with fewer features and no Cinema Black like their 42" and 50" TVs. Now they apparently are going to release their top-of-the-line sets with those speaker wings virtually everyone hates, instead of the nice neat attractive speaker scoop of the new A10s. I don't have the horizontal size restrictions that other people here have, but I can sympathize. Just remember, there's always JVC, LG and Hitachi.

Heres my best guess as to what is happening with Sonys upgrades and what to look for in the future.
The "WE" mod. has been around for a while and it has to be a big seller for Sony so they redesign it first and call it a A10 and it will fit in alot of the places that held a 36in set in the past. Since it takes a while to have all the plastic part molds made and they want a NEW" WF" they use the old case and call it a A20 and give it a few changes. They want more mods. in sxrd but also can't get a new case made this year so the use the XS and put in sxrd guts to give them a stop gap till next year when they will have a set without the wings. They keep the lcd XBR 70" this year and drop the 60" XBR. Next year we get a new XBR series of 50 --55-- 60--70 and then they drop the old 70". This year the sxrd sets will only have a 1080i inputs but next year when the game boxes come out in 1080p and blue ray in 1080p the new sxrd "XBR"will have a hdmi 1080p input.

I don't think Sony is stupid so maybe this is why they kept the wings that suck

Roy :rolleyes:

Boy is Sony backwards. First they release 55" and 60" TVs with fewer features and no Cinema Black like their 42" and 50" TVs. Now they apparently are going to release their top-of-the-line sets with those speaker wings virtually everyone hates, instead of the nice neat attractive speaker scoop of the new A10s. I don't have the horizontal size restrictions that other people here have, but I can sympathize. Just remember, there's always JVC, LG and Hitachi.

The A10's speaker arrangement is clean looking but sounds bad. Unacceptable SQ on an XBR.

Regarding size limitations, everybody has some limitation -- maybe it's a 120" screen. If you can fit a 70" set in your living room, great. If you can fit a 60", great. For some of us, like me, who has a $7,000 built in entertainment center that can accomodate up to a 63 inch wide set, I can buy a:

1) Samsung 61"
2) Mitsubishi 62"
3) Sony LCD 60"
4) Sony SXRD 50"

I don't care how much better the Sony SXRD is, I'm not going down to a 50" when I can choose from a number of sets to replace my beloved Sony KP-61XBR300 which are 10-12" larger. It would seem that it would be in the best interest of all manufacturers to trim down sets as much as possible. Most people have size maximums, not size minimums.

Heres my best guess as to what is happening with Sonys upgrades and what to look for in the future.
The "WE" mod. has been around for a while and it has to be a big seller for Sony so they redesign it first and call it a A10 and it will fit in alot of the places that held a 36in set in the past. Since it takes a while to have all the plastic part molds made and they want a NEW" WF" they use the old case and call it a A20 and give it a few changes. They want more mods. in sxrd but also can't get a new case made this year so the use the XS and put in sxrd guts to give them a stop gap till next year when they will have a set without the wings. They keep the lcd XBR 70" this year and drop the 60" XBR. Next year we get a new XBR series of 50 --55-- 60--70 and then they drop the old 70". This year the sxrd sets will only have a 1080i inputs but next year when the game boxes come out in 1080p and blue ray in 1080p the new sxrd "XBR"will have a hdmi 1080p input.

I don't think Sony is stupid so maybe this is why they kept the wings that suck

Roy :rolleyes:

Brilliant insight. I was just thinking about a post made earlier in this thread that included a copy of an interview with a manager from Sony's U.S. TV production facility. In that interview, he states that the switch over to SXRD, in terms of production, is as simple as swapping out the jigs used to install the new chips. When you think about that statement, it pretty much says that they are planning to reuse some, if not all of the chassis from an existing model.

I am still hopeful that the 60" SXRD will not be the in XS case, but it it looking less and less likely.

The truth is, I don't "need" a new TV (who really does), but man was I looking forward to this release. I don't have a problem with the look of the side speakers, it's just that I can fit anything wider than 60" in our HT room.

BTW - I've seen early pics of the LG LCOS, and it appear to be using the same case as this year's sets, which just also happens to include, you guessed it -- side speakers. As far as JVC is concerned, it will take a lot to win me over to that brand. Their build quality is cheap feeling and the pic quality of their current LCOS sets is among the worst of the current sets out (fuzzy picture, bowed screen, poor color rendition).

Guess I'll just have to find something else to obsess over until the wingless SXRD set is released. :rolleyes:

This year the sxrd sets will only have a 1080i inputs but next year when the game boxes come out in 1080p and blue ray in 1080p the new sxrd "XBR"will have a hdmi 1080p input.

Roy :rolleyes:

With all the people going nuts over the side speakers I find this to be a much more important concern. If these new sets were to come out and only support 1080i input I would absolutely not purchase one (SXRD is what has me waiting at this point on a new tv). Yes we are very limited on what can even output 1080p right now but a TV purchase at this price point is one that I expect to get 5+ years of main viewing service from. In that time frame I fully expect HD-dvds to be out as well as next-gen consoles to give me 1080p source.

Speakers-schmeekers. No fullres input=no purchase!

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I am still hopeful that the 60" SXRD will not be the in XS case, but it it looking less and less likely.

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I would think if one of the two sets where going to be different it would be the 50".
Because, there is a 60" XS but not a 50" XS. Right?? It’s 55". How do they put a 50" in a 55" case without it looking totally rigged??

I’m not going to worry about the design until I see it with my own two eyes.

That being said, why would Sony want to introduce their “great new SXRD technology” to the masses in old cases. I know that SXRD has been around in front projectors and the 006 for some time... but do the masses really know about it?

I would think Sony would want to make a big splash with these new SXRD sets and using XS cases isn’t going to do that with the masses. I can hear it already “It looks like the same TV to me.... why would I pay thousands more for that one”.

They are going for the masses on these.... aren’t they???

My two pennies!!

Black borders...the qualia has sizeable black borders, and now that you got me thinking, I guess Sony cleverly designed the case with room to grow beyond 70in.

I’m curious?

How is your experience enhanced? Please explain. Maybe it's me, I’m confused. Maybe you have a point that I am missing..??

At a movie theatre, at show time, the curtains always open all of the way and then they close to crop the screen to the exact aspect ratio. The speakers are behind the screen out of view. Side speakers, surround speakers, rear speakers are placed similarly to where one would place them in a home theatre.

I would not want to see speakers in a movie theatre extending from the top to the bottom and on either side of the screen. This would be an intrusion on the image.

so what you're saying is to cover the speaker wings with curtains ? :rolleyes:

so what you're saying is to cover the speaker wings with curtains ? :rolleyes:

:D too funny.


As someone else just said- speakers shmeakers.

I have had a 5.1 surround sound system for so long that I've forgotten how long I've had it. (At least 10 years). I have no need for, nor do I want, outboard speakers on my "TV". I still hope that the design feature (user removable speakers) presented by Sony on the Qualia 006 would catch on. I would like to see them add to the trend by making the speakers an add-on option. In other words, buy them only if you need them or want them. Unnecessasarily adding 8-12 inches to the width of a 70"+ RP set makes no sense at all to me. Granted, if everything else was right about the set, I don't think I would let the "wings" stop me from making a purchase, but, I wouldn't be happy. I would probably also let the manufacturer know of my displeasure in the form of a somewhat ranting letter to the CEO of that company. It may do no good at all. On the other hand, if enough people write similar letters, maybe OEMs will get the idea that a more flexible design paradigm is in order.

I dont want my wife playing around with the surround sound system. I can just imagine what buttons she would push by mistake and what she would do, plus it would just make watching tv confusing for her.

I want a set with good sound so that she can just turn it on and use it, and I can also sit with her and for regular shows the sound will be good enough. For dvd's I can use the surround-sound system, so I am glad Sony has this good speaker on it. I know the side speakers are so controversial, but for people like me with no problems with side width, I like them and I like the way it makes the set look longer and sleeker. I wish the set was a little less deep as my room is not as big as I would like. I havent bought this set yet, but am pretty much sure I will soon, and I will be sitting 8-1/2' from it (distance from my eyes to front of screen), so I do wish it was not so deep (I want the 60" version).

.... I like them and I like the way it makes the set look longer and sleeker....


??????? :eek:

Yeah! Me too.
I’m going to swap out all of my suit jackets for those cool new duds with the huge wide lapels—I want to look longer and sleeker too!
:cool:

Great point about the wife factor - I too need decent speakers on the set for the wife. And I don't need the news in surround sound, either.

For folks who want the same set for movies AND the wife, speakers are essential, and side speakers are clearly the way to go for better sound and aesthetics.

But wings? Where's the #$(*ing guy who marketing talked to that said he likes wings?

I can't wait to see these things - I hope all the speculation is wrong and these things are beautiful.

I'm sure that has been hit on before but please indulge me...

Any word on when these SXRD's will be out or is it still "sometime this Fall?"

I will mostly use this tv to watch 480i DVD's so I don't care about the
1080p bit (at least not for a few years).

My question is this... will the LCOS technology with supposedly better
fill rate, etc, look significantly better than the much cheaper Sony's that
are out now for 480i input?

Thanks for the input.

October for the 60", November for the 50".

Nobody knows for sure, but the consensus seems to be that it will be better, but not necessarily "significanlty" better, whatever that means.

Since the Qualia006 kicks a**, however, I have high hopes for the new SXRDs.

I think common sense also says that Sony can't come to market with a "new" tv at a high price per inch that doesn't have improved quality, even for current DVDs.

We're just going to have to wait and see.

Why all the whining about wings? I love wings! :p

So if Sony adds a 10" woofer to the sides of the 60"...
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/ext1/TV.jpg

Why all the whining about wings? I love wings! :p

So if Sony adds a 10" woofer to the sides of the 60"...
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/ext1/TV.jpg

That would be dubbed the "Dumbo" model...after paying royalties to Disney of course...

That would be dubbed the "Dumbo" model...after paying royalties to Disney of course...LOL, we're getting desperate here. We need some fresh SXRD info.

Since the 50 and 60" SXRD's will have much better contrast than the Qualia, I would think Sony would also want to upgrade a 70" set to the new chip unless there is some other disadvantage of this chip.

Since the 50 and 60" SXRD's will have much better contrast than the Qualia, I would think Sony would also want to upgrade a 70" set to the new chip unless there is some other disadvantage of this chip.

My thinking too, are they going to migrate to the smaller chip?? and what about dynamic IRIS, rather than manual adjustment.

I dont want my wife playing around with the surround sound system. I can just imagine what buttons she would push by mistake and what she would do, plus it would just make watching tv confusing for her.


That's what programmable remotes are for! One button turns everything on, and one other adjusts volume. No need to touch balance or other settings. My wife doesn't like anything more complicated than a light switch, and has had no problem with our setup since I installed it. It took her a couple of years, but she even figured out the button to activate the CD player. (That would be the one labeled "CD Player" ;) ). Still only one other button to worry about - the volume. I think she's got that one down. :D

You are all well entitled to your pet peeves (side speakers, no 1080p). Just keep in mind:

(1) Fewer than 1 in 10 people use separate audio with their TVs.

(2) Well, well fewer than 1 in 100 people are trying to pump 1080p video from their computer into their TV.

You are all well entitled to your pet peeves (side speakers, no 1080p). Just keep in mind:

(1) Fewer than 1 in 10 people use separate audio with their TVs.

(2) Well, well fewer than 1 in 100 people are trying to pump 1080p video from their computer into their TV.

Re: (1) 10% of the number of TVs currently being sold is a large enough figure to merit some positive attention from the OEMs - and that number is only going to grow. Since most of the OEMs that make these displays also make the equipment that makes up the surround sound systems (speakers, receivers, etc.), it would be in their best interest to encourage this growth! Making outboard speakers on their RPTVs removable or optional is a small and fairly easy accommodation to make.

Re (2) Once again, we have a situation where, although the numbers are small now, they will only grow. Hi def DVDs, HD console gaming, and even broadcasters reportedly taking a second look at the growing HD monster, I would really like to have the availability of a 1080p/60fps input now so that I don't have to upgrade a +/-$5K set when these features become more prominent in the market place. We should keep in mind that most people have yet to see 1080p HD material like movies, DVDs, and games. When they do, they will want the displays that can show them off. If they get the display first, they will want the source material that can show off the new big inch RPTV to their friends so they will get jealous and buy one too! Hardware sells software sells hardware sells soft...well, you get the point. I think the CE biggies will also.

That wings photo is a fake, right? Please tell me that Sony isn't mounting speakers to the side of their TVs like that.

You are all well entitled to your pet peeves (side speakers, no 1080p). Just keep in mind:

(2) Well, well fewer than 1 in 100 people are trying to pump 1080p video from their computer into their TV.

A rather backward looking statement. About like saying in 1985 that only a small percentage of homes don't have a PC. Right now it is pretty tough to hook up a PC to a TV due to the lack of good connections. Most sets, even 720 and1080 sets make a mess of it with a lack of native resolution HDMI/DVI connections. Hooking PC to a discrete pixel TV with analog is guaranteed to hurt image quality.

Look at Intel and Microsoft's booths at CES and you can see where they are heading and where they are putting their money. The other thing to consider is all the digital cameras out there taking thousands of pictures, with each image much higher in resolution that 1080P. In the future they will be mostly displaying these images on TV's and not on expensive paper and ink.

I think it will just be a year or two before most HDTVs support native resolution HDMI.

You are all well entitled to your pet peeves (side speakers, no 1080p). Just keep in mind:

(1) Fewer than 1 in 10 people use separate audio with their TVs.

(2) Well, well fewer than 1 in 100 people are trying to pump 1080p video from their computer into their TV.

This is similar to how an IBM exec in the 50s thought the total world demand for computers would be 5 :D

Regarding size limitations, everybody has some limitation -- maybe it's a 120" screen. If you can fit a 70" set in your living room, great. If you can fit a 60", great. For some of us, like me, who has a $7,000 built in entertainment center that can accomodate up to a 63 inch wide set, I can buy a:

1) Samsung 61"
2) Mitsubishi 62"
3) Sony LCD 60"
4) Sony SXRD 50"

I don't care how much better the Sony SXRD is, I'm not going down to a 50" when I can choose from a number of sets to replace my beloved Sony KP-61XBR300 which are 10-12" larger. It would seem that it would be in the best interest of all manufacturers to trim down sets as much as possible. Most people have size maximums, not size minimums.


SECOND BEST POST IN THIS THREAD.... MINE WAS NO.1 OF COURSE.. ;)

I am not going to go down in size because of a few morons at Sony. That is what I have always liked about Pioneer, Hitachi and a few others. Classic streamlined designs without some clown who thinks he is creating something for a Lucas movie set. Screen ends and there is about an inch of cabinet and that's it. You want speakers make them removable or at a minimum below the screen near the front control panel.

This may be the wrong thread but hopefully someone here was at CES and has the input I am curious about...
I am currently TV-less... sigh. I decided, wtf, I will just go buy the current Sony 720p models. I got in the store and saw the Qualia... Now, I have put the current models out of the question. If the new SXRD's are anywhere near the Qualia, and being at least 10 inches smaller, they will be worth the wait... So after my pointless rant, here is the queston...

I have heard that the upcoming JVC 1080p's are supposed to be the most anticipated TV's... Does anyone have any insight as to how the JVC 1080p LCOS tv's are going to compare with the Sony SXRD LCOS sets?

I know the JVC's will have PC input (which, don't laugh, could be a deal breaker for me). Will the SXRD's have PC input?

If this info is elsewhere in the forum, please direct me to the correct site.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Hoyt]This may be the wrong thread but hopefully someone here was at CES and has the input I am curious about...
I am currently TV-less... sigh. I decided, wtf, I will just go buy the current Sony 720p models. I got in the store and saw the Qualia... Now, I have put the current models out of the question. If the new SXRD's are anywhere near the Qualia, and being at least 10 inches smaller, they will be worth the wait... So after my pointless rant, here is the queston...

I have heard that the upcoming JVC 1080p's are supposed to be the most anticipated TV's... Does anyone have any insight as to how the JVC 1080p LCOS tv's are going to compare with the Sony SXRD LCOS sets?

I know the JVC's will have PC input (which, don't laugh, could be a deal breaker for me). Will the SXRD's have PC input?

If this info is elsewhere in the forum, please direct me to the correct site.

The JVC 1080P D-ILA's were astounding at the CES. Better than the 1080P DLP's. They had the best PQ of anything short of the Qualia. The 1080P DLP's being sold now don't match up to what was shown at the CES - I'm told the Demo had a full 1080P chip while the consumer models coming out only have the "wobulated" chip. That probably accounts for them not being as good as the one that was demo'd at the CES. 1080P DLP's are still much better than the 720P's, but if the JVC 1080P's had a better PQ than the the full-chip 1080P DLP's, i'll leave it up to you as to how much better they will be than the "wobulated" 1080P DLP's:).
Of course, this is assuming the PQ on the consumer JVC's will be the same as at the CES. As we now know, this was NOT the case with the DLP's. Sony SXRD's are also highly anticipated. I sure wouldn't rush to buy ANYTHING right now until i've seen and compared all the 1080P products coming this Fall & Winter. The Samsung 1080P DLP's are nice, the Mitsubishi 1080P DLP's are a little nicer, but everthing else coming from Toshiba, Sony, JVC will probably be much nicer:)

Anyone have any estimate on when 1080p sets will be released that actually accept a 1080p signal?

SECOND BEST POST IN THIS THREAD.... MINE WAS NO.1 OF COURSE.. ;)

I am not going to go down in size because of a few morons at Sony. That is what I have always liked about Pioneer, Hitachi and a few others. Classic streamlined designs without some clown who thinks he is creating something for a Lucas movie set. Screen ends and there is about an inch of cabinet and that's it. You want speakers make them removable or at a minimum below the screen near the front control panel.

I wrote the original post and now I've all but abandoned the SXRD due to the size. I'm seriously considering the 67" Samsung 1080p DLP which is 62.4" wide. It also accepts 1080p via the HDMI input and has 2 HDMI inputs.

I can fit a 67" in the space or a 50" Sony. Easy choice. In the end, I have 2 source components, both connected to the set via HDMI, so the TV is basically a monitor.

I wrote the original post and now I've all but abandoned the SXRD due to the size. I'm seriously considering the 67" Samsung 1080p DLP which is 62.4" wide. It also accepts 1080p via the HDMI input and has 2 HDMI inputs.

I can fit a 67" in the space or a 50" Sony. Easy choice. In the end, I have 2 source components, both connected to the set via HDMI, so the TV is basically a monitor.


Neither the Sammy's, nor any other set at the moment for that matter, accept 1080p via HDMI. The Sammy you speak of will accept it via the PC VGA connector only.

I wrote the original post and now I've all but abandoned the SXRD due to the size. I'm seriously considering the 67" Samsung 1080p DLP which is 62.4" wide. It also accepts 1080p via the HDMI input and has 2 HDMI inputs.

I can fit a 67" in the space or a 50" Sony. Easy choice. In the end, I have 2 source components, both connected to the set via HDMI, so the TV is basically a monitor.

What BenDover said.

[QUOTE=Hoyt]This may be the wrong thread but hopefully someone here was at CES and has the input I am curious about...
I am currently TV-less... sigh. I decided, wtf, I will just go buy the current Sony 720p models. I got in the store and saw the Qualia... Now, I have put the current models out of the question. If the new SXRD's are anywhere near the Qualia, and being at least 10 inches smaller, they will be worth the wait... So after my pointless rant, here is the queston...

I have heard that the upcoming JVC 1080p's are supposed to be the most anticipated TV's... Does anyone have any insight as to how the JVC 1080p LCOS tv's are going to compare with the Sony SXRD LCOS sets?

I know the JVC's will have PC input (which, don't laugh, could be a deal breaker for me). Will the SXRD's have PC input?

If this info is elsewhere in the forum, please direct me to the correct site.

The JVC 1080P D-ILA's were astounding at the CES. Better than the 1080P DLP's. They had the best PQ of anything short of the Qualia. The 1080P DLP's being sold now don't match up to what was shown at the CES - I'm told the Demo had a full 1080P chip while the consumer models coming out only have the "wobulated" chip. That probably accounts for them not being as good as the one that was demo'd at the CES. 1080P DLP's are still much better than the 720P's, but if the JVC 1080P's had a better PQ than the the full-chip 1080P DLP's, i'll leave it up to you as to how much better they will be than the "wobulated" 1080P DLP's:).
Of course, this is assuming the PQ on the consumer JVC's will be the same as at the CES. As we now know, this was NOT the case with the DLP's. Sony SXRD's are also highly anticipated. I sure wouldn't rush to buy ANYTHING right now until i've seen and compared all the 1080P products coming this Fall & Winter. The Samsung 1080P DLP's are nice, the Mitsubishi 1080P DLP's are a little nicer, but everthing else coming from Toshiba, Sony, JVC will probably be much nicer:)

The TI representative at the booth told me it was a wobulated chip. You might be a bit more careful about what you imply, and I'll leave it at that.

This is coming from someone who thought the JVC did look a little better than the Samsung at the show, but not as good as the TI demo.

Damn, I'm absolutely floored that there isn't more information out there about these new SXRD sets and that somebody on this forum hasn't kidnapped anybody "in the know" and forced them at gunpoint to share what they know. It's almost comical how hush-hush this all is and how Sony is playing their cards so close. Our local dealer said that he was expecting "training materials" within the next week and a half that would shed some light on the details of these new sets, but I'm Jonesin' over here!

Jason

JasonColeman: The reason everything is so "Hush Hush" is because despite the mutual admiration society Qualia thread most people don't fall down and worship the freakin' set and especially not at its ridiculous price. Sony has further to go in Creating demand before they can try to attempt to get more suckers to plunk down a little less cash for a smaller version of the overhyped sacred cow. I think they'll release smaller versions with a Sony massive ad campaign when HD-DVD comes out--if they're not too greedy the sets will sell--if they are too greedy then they can join Mitsubishi's former 82-inch Ridiculous priced LCoS effort on the scrap heap!

Artwood-

For somebody with almost 1500 posts under your belt, you certainly don't have much in the way of useful commentary or conversation, much less pertinent information on any of the numerous threads you consistently and aimlessly troll. You're like a pesky rash that pops up every once in a while and reminds you of how much of a pain in the ass it can be (if that's where your rash happens to be). Despite your sometimes interesting Oliver Stone-esque conspiracy theories and government/corporate/powers-that-be plotting sequences, your posts are just god damn meaningless and it isn't until I myself have had 2 or 3 too many beers that I even entertain the thought of chiming in and responding to your random rantings and ravings. If you're here to bash Sony, then you came to the right thread because this thread is about Sony. If you're here to bash the television manufacturing industry, then again you came to the right place because we're in a TV forum. If you came trolling and slurping about completely baseless wanderings in the same manner that I've seen you do for over 500 posts, then apparently I came to the wrong place because, once again, here you are...

Get a life or get a useful hobby that doesn't irritate other people.

Jason

ps- from now on I will refer to you as Fartwood the Ass Rash

Fartwood the Ass Rash-

This post is just meant to show you that I'm serious about that new nickname thing.

Jason

Careful, now! Remember forum rules!

[QUOTE=gazelle]

The TI representative at the booth told me it was a wobulated chip. You might be a bit more careful about what you imply, and I'll leave it at that.

This is coming from someone who thought the JVC(LCOS??) did look a little better than the Samsung at the show, but not as good as the TI demo.


Any ideas why the TI demo would have looked better than the JVC and the Samsung(same TI chip??) Did you notice from what the source material was coming from??

I have heard that the upcoming JVC 1080p's are supposed to be the most anticipated TV's... Does anyone have any insight as to how the JVC 1080p LCOS tv's are going to compare with the Sony SXRD LCOS sets?
.

The JVC 1080p's are the most anticipated TVs by Gazelle and maybe one or
two other forum members :-)

The Sony SXRDs are going to blow the JVC 1080p's away. They both can display
1920x1080 but that where the similarity ends. The constrast ratio
and black levels on the JVC suck. The panel CR on the SXRDs are
speced at 5000 to 1. The JVC 1080 panels are speced at 2000 to 1
but are really closer to 1000 to 1 - combine this with the poor black
levels of the JVC 1080p and you have set that is great for watching
HD sports but sucks when you watch movies with dark content.

Also Sony products are vastly higher in overall quality than JVC...

"The Sony SXRDs are going to blow the JVC 1080p's away."

You've seen them both?

I wasn't aware anyone had seen the Sonys yet.

Or are you making your statements based entirely on specs you've heard or seen somewhere about consituent parts of the TVs, not even the whole TVs?

Just curious.

"The Sony SXRDs are going to blow the JVC 1080p's away."

You've seen them both?

I wasn't aware anyone had seen the Sonys yet.

Or are you making your statements based entirely on specs you've heard or seen somewhere about consituent parts of the TVs, not even the whole TVs?

Just curious.

Fair enough. I am making this statement on fact that the Qualia 06 blows
away the JVC 1080p in this area and the Sony SXRDs will have the new and
improved SXRD chips that sport much higher CR than the Qualia 06. Of
course this also depends on the optics,etc. that Sony ends up using but
lets not forget they will part of the XBR "brand"...

Any ideas why the TI demo would have looked better than the JVC and the Samsung(same TI chip??) Did you notice from what the source material was coming from??

They were showing clips of ESPN HD, a music animation video, Star Wars Episode III, and Madagascar. I am not sure where they were feeding it from--my best guess is a D-VHS player. Hopefully Samsung and Mitsubishi met with TI's engineers and incorporated whatever was working so well with TI's light engine.

My main point is, these technologies are all good solutions. I am troubled by a number of posters who exaggerate and misrepresent things, especially things I saw with my own eyes and have formed my own opinions about. I look at the JVC 1080p HD-ILA, the Samsung and LG 1080 DLPs, and the SXRD and say "wow, great--the consumer wins." Anyone who has seen me post about them has heard me say that the differences in PQ are minor and subjective based on who is viewing. Six people came with me to CES and had different opinions about which microdisplay looked best. Some thought the DLP looked best, others thought (as I do) that the Qualia looked the best, others liked the HD-ILA. If you look at the magazine reviews printed afterwards, they fall along the same lines--possibly disagreeing about which was best, but in agreement about the PQ strength of the competing sets in general. One magazine actually ranked the Qualia as the worst of the group. In addition, hardly anyone talks about the promising 3LCD sets on the way, or the LG Spatialight set which should also perform well.

The bottom line is the technology sells itself. If there is an obvious tech shortcoming on one of the new techs, they won't sell due to the strength of the competition. Samsung doesn't need me to be a cheerleader for their DLP sets. I speak a lot on the Samsung thread because I thought the Sammy would be a cost effective solution for me, but I have also told several people in PM's that I might choose the JVC or SXRD over the DLP if the price was right. For me that is the main issue; since PQ is good on all these sets, price is the most important factor with features second. However, some people seem to take it personally when their specific brand isn't being talked about (or being preordered, as the case may be). They seem to have a vested interest in maligning a brand or technology while "pumping up" their own personal favorites. It's amazing how so much "insider information" passed around here just happens to boost the poster's favorite tech. There are only a few of them but the names are easy enough to find. Do a search on their posts and you will see almost the same song and dance over and over again for the last six months. You won't see me on the Sony thread talking up "Qualia Killers," or on the JVC thread talking about the shortcomings of the HD-ILA, simply because the HD-ILA and the SXRD are good products and will sell quite well without my help. Maybe if I were being paid by the companies' PR department I would care about which technology sells the most. Since that's not the case, I'm only concerned about which will look the best in my family room and leave me with the most room in my budget to spend on audio.

I went to my first CES two years ago hoping Toshiba would push forward with their LCoS sets, because the model I saw looked gorgeous, and I wanted one--but at that CES Toshiba announced they would move away from the technology.

Neither the Sammy's, nor any other set at the moment for that matter, accept 1080p via HDMI. The Sammy you speak of will accept it via the PC VGA connector only.

Yes, according to the specs, but if you read the Samsung thread, a guy was able to hook up his computer to the HDMI input at 1920x1080 60.

The JVC 1080p's are the most anticipated TVs by Gazelle and maybe one or
two other forum members :-)

The Sony SXRDs are going to blow the JVC 1080p's away. They both can display
1920x1080 but that where the similarity ends. The constrast ratio
and black levels on the JVC suck. The panel CR on the SXRDs are
speced at 5000 to 1. The JVC 1080 panels are speced at 2000 to 1
but are really closer to 1000 to 1 - combine this with the poor black
levels of the JVC 1080p and you have set that is great for watching
HD sports but sucks when you watch movies with dark content.

Also Sony products are vastly higher in overall quality than JVC...


I don't know what you base your opinion on, but having seen both, the JVC D-ILA's clearly looked better than the Samsung 1080P's - and those 1080P's looked better than the ones being sold now. I don't doubt at all the Sony SXRD's will also "blow away" the Samsungs.

Fair enough. I am making this statement on fact that the Qualia 06 blows
away the JVC 1080p in this area and the Sony SXRDs will have the new and
improved SXRD chips that sport much higher CR than the Qualia 06. Of
course this also depends on the optics,etc. that Sony ends up using but
lets not forget they will part of the XBR "brand"...

The only thing that is going to get blown away is your credibility for making such blanket statements based on specs for not-yet-existing products.

Sheesh.

Yes, according to the specs, but if you read the Samsung thread, a guy was able to hook up his computer to the HDMI input at 1920x1080 60.

Are you sure he used the HDMI connection? Doubtful...

[QUOTE=tonydeluce]The JVC 1080p's are the most anticipated TVs by Gazelle and maybe one or
two other forum members :-)

The Sony SXRDs are going to blow the JVC 1080p's away/QUOTE]

Sort of an absurd statement since no one has seen one yet, whereas many have seen the JVC 1080P at CES and it did, in fact, to use your terminology, "blow away" the competition. Many thought the Qualia was only slightly better.

[QUOTE=tonydeluce]The JVC 1080p's are the most anticipated TVs by Gazelle and maybe one or
two other forum members :-)

The Sony SXRDs are going to blow the JVC 1080p's away/QUOTE]

Sort of an absurd statement since no one has seen one yet, whereas many have seen the JVC 1080P at CES and it did, in fact, to use your terminology, "blow away" the competition. Many thought the Qualia was only slightly better.

I highly recommned *not* making a decisiom based on what you saw at CES
for a couple of reasons. First, none of these were production models. Second,
the vendors will be showing source material that does *not* display
the shortcomings of the set. Thirdly, the set is not in the native environment
in which it will be viewed.

The new JVC 1080p sets are a viable alternative to the new SXRDs for those
people who primarily watch HD sports and channels such as Discovery HD and
Voom because they give a similiar quality picture when watching such material
and will be less money particularly because it will be hard to find a discounted
SXRD in the early part of its production cycle.

BUT, for those who primarily watch movies with dark content, there is no
question that the JVC 1080p falls short in this regard. Yes, the Sony SXRDs
will blow away the JVC 1080p sets in this area.

The SXRDs will also have advantages over the Samsung 1080p DLPS for those
people who see rainbows since it is a triple chip solution. The 1080p DLPs
excell with black level and contrast ratio I am interested in seeing how the SXRDs
do in this area.

If SXRDs can deliver even slightly better blacks and contrast ratio than the
1080p DLPs along with a 70in. version, I will be buying one :-)

Apologies to everyone if this point has already been answered elsewhere (an I know, it seems like a kind of pet peeve of mine). Is it merely a coincidence (this isn't ment to sound like a conspiracy theory) that the new Sony's are coming out a mere matter of months ahead of the PS3? Since that has a blu-ray disk and is capable of 2x1080P outputs, would it not make sense for Sony's flagship model to feature an HDMI input that was capable of accepting a 1080P signal? So is this what these sets feature? Does anyone know, or am I just clouding the issue?
Just a thought, thanks and I'll go back to deciphering the whole grassy knoll thing now....

If SXRDs can deliver even slightly better blacks and contrast ratio than the
1080p DLPs along with a 70in. version, I will be buying one :-)

I'm not too familiar with LCoS and its cousin SXRD yet, but is it even possible that the blacks and contrast will be better than DLP? Do LCoS sets or the Qualia generally have better contrast than DLP?

BTW, I found a sony press release that has some good info and specs on the SXRD technology. http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200302/03-008E/

I'm not too familiar with LCoS and its cousin SXRD yet, but is it even possible that the blacks and contrast will be better than DLP? Do LCoS sets or the Qualia generally have better contrast than DLP?

BTW, I found a sony press release that has some good info and specs on the SXRD technology. http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200302/03-008E/

The 1080p DLPs have better CR and comparable black levels to the Qualia 06.
The specs on the new and improved SXRD chips spec comparable CR as the 1080p
DLPs. No other version of LCOS other than Sony's has been able to deliver
in this area.

...The JVC 1080 panels are speced at 2000 to 1
but are really closer to 1000 to 1...
Do you know for a fact that this will be the CR of the JVC 1080p RPTV's? If so, please provide a link.

Do you know for a fact that this will be the CR of the JVC 1080p RPTV's? If so, please provide a link.

I don't have a link but you can contact JVC - the CR specs on the new 1080p
D-ILA is 2000 to 1. This is the same spec on the new 720p D-ILA which no one
has measured anything close to this. Last year's model D-ILAs speced
1000 to 1 and I believe no one measured anything higher than 700 to 1.

The JVC D-ILA PQ is similiar to the latest LCDs but without the screen door effect
and brighter.

Are you sure he used the HDMI connection? Doubtful...

Yeah Rob, reports by a person who actually has the product is doubtful, but discussing yet-to-be-announced-SXRD-television-sets is all facts!! Right!!

You ARE a special member here.

Yeah Rob, reports by a person who actually has the product is doubtful, but discussing yet-to-be-announced-SXRD-television-sets is all facts!! Right!!

You ARE a special member here.

Considering this person's assertion contradicts everything Samsung themselves has said about the TV, I think it's reasonable to be skeptical.

Rogo, it is true no one has yet seen the new Sony SXRDs but considering what they are it is not hard to imagine them blowing away most other TVs with ease. Also no SXRD display has yet to have a dynamic iris so the combination of the two should produce dramatic results, or at least that is what many people are expecting.


Yes, according to the specs, but if you read the Samsung thread, a guy was able to hook up his computer to the HDMI input at 1920x1080 60.I have followed the Samsung thread and everything I have read in it indicated that you could only do this with the VGA input. Are you sure he wasn't using 1080i over HDMI? Also could you post a link to the person who said you could do 1080p60 over HDMI?

Are you sure he wasn't using 1080i over HDMI? Also could you post a link to the person who said you could do 1080p60 over HDMI?

Ask and yee shall receive:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5926983&&#post5926983

-phil

Yeah Rob, reports by a person who actually has the product is doubtful, but discussing yet-to-be-announced-SXRD-television-sets is all facts!! Right!!

You ARE a special member here.

Take a chill pill there big guy!

I was simply stating my skepticism at this report. As others have appropriately pointed out, all indications were that this unit would NOT accept a 1080p signal over HDMI.

No need to get defensive. It's not like I was personally attacking you. Can you say the same? :rolleyes:

JasonColeman:

First they ignore you, then they make fun of you, then they try to tear you down--then you win! Gandhi said something similiar to this. Maybe one day I will have the eloquence that corresponds to penning such gems as Fartwood the Ass Rash! I won't be stupid enough to respond in kind--come come now you can do better than that!

As for commenting on what this thread is about--50" and 60" Sony SXRD I make no apology for voicing doubts about whether they will come to fruition. If Sony is concerned about the public doubting if they will come to fruition they are quite welcome to counter such doubts.

My post would only viscerally upset someone if that someone were a person pushing an SXRD 50 or 60-inch agenda for Sony to benefit Sony or maybe a fan of the technology who desperately wanted that technology to succeed.

Maybe you belong to that latter category or maybe you're just a person who thinks it is a great product and would like it in a smaller size. If that is the case I'm sorry if I offended you.

I will never be sorry for offending the first category of persons. I'm not an SXRD fan but I'm not anti-Sony or even Anti TV Industry. I am pro-Video consumer even when occasionally that conflicts with the interests of the TV Industry.

I will plead guilty to being growingly idealistic. Since cancer is unrestricted growth I would prefer to being called Industry Plant Cancer--I'm far more deadly than a rash and even if nipped in the bud there always remains a possibility of me coming back under another form and another name!

I make a solemn vow to all Industry Planrts--I will ALWAYS be your worst nightmare!

JasonColeman:

First they ignore you, then they make fun of you, then they try to tear you down--then you win! Gandhi said something similar to this. Maybe one day I will have the eloquence that corresponds to penning such gems as Fartwood the Ass Rash! I won't be stupid enough to respond in kind--come come now you can do better than that!

As for commenting on what this thread is about--50" and 60" Sony SXRD I make no apology for voicing doubts about whether they will come to fruition. If Sony is concerned about the public doubting if they will come to fruition they are quite welcome to counter such doubts.

My post would only viscerally upset someone if that someone were a person pushing an SXRD 50 or 60-inch agenda for Sony to benefit Sony or maybe a fan of the technology who desperately wanted that technology to succeed.

Maybe you belong to that latter category or maybe you're just a person who thinks it is a great product and would like it in a smaller size. If that is the case I'm sorry if I offended you.

I will never be sorry for offending the first category of persons. I'm not an SXRD fan but I'm not anti-Sony or even Anti TV Industry. I am pro-Video consumer even when occasionally that conflicts with the interests of the TV Industry.

I will plead guilty to being growingly idealistic. Since cancer is unrestricted growth I would prefer to being called Industry Plant Cancer--I'm far more deadly than a rash and even if nipped in the bud there always remains a possibility of me coming back under another form and another name!

I make a solemn vow to all Industry Plants--I will ALWAYS be your worst nightmare!

Ask and yee shall receive:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5926983&&#post5926983Amazing. If true than this is great news and would make Samsung the first manufacturer to have a 1080p TV that can actually accept 1080p60 over HDMI. Also Schaffer made a second post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5927952&&#post5927952) showing the entire screen. Looks like it has overscan but that may be something that can be changed either in the video settings or service menu.

My Qualia 006 worked just fine at 1920 x 1080 @60mghz via dvi -> hdmi from my HTPC, albeit with a bit of overscan.
Rick

Amazing. If true than this is great news and would make Samsung the first manufacturer to have a 1080p TV that can actually accept 1080p60 over HDMI. Also Schaffer made a second post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5927952&&#post5927952) showing the entire screen. Looks like it has overscan but that may be something that can be changed either in the video settings or service menu.

Thanks for posting the link, I didn't know how to do that.

I went to Ultimate Electronics this afternoon in Phoenix and they had the Qualia 006 in between the old JVC 720p Dila and the new Samsung 1080P DLP set and then the older Mits 720P DLP. I have to say that the 1080P sets were in a league of their own. The difference was immediately noticeable in the detail of the images. Between the Samsung and the Qualia, I hate to say it, but the image was pretty comparable. The Sony has a nice square pixel structure while the 1080P DLP image uses Diamond pixels due to the wobulation.

There was a post earlier in this thread stating that 1080P is really benefitting the consumer and I agree. Anybody who buys an SXRD or a 1080P DLP is getting a fantastic product. I wouldn't say any one set blows away another set in the 1080P realm. In fact I really liked the illuminated Sony logo on the Qualia, much like my Sony SDM-P234 monitor, but I also liked the fact that Samsung seems to accept 1080p via HDMI and I can fit a much larger set (like 67") in my entertainment center.

Thanks for posting the link, I didn't know how to do that.

I went to Ultimate Electronics this afternoon in Phoenix and they had the Qualia 006 in between the old JVC 720p Dila and the new Samsung 1080P DLP set and then the older Mits 720P DLP. I have to say that the 1080P sets were in a league of their own. The difference was immediately noticeable in the detail of the images. Between the Samsung and the Qualia, I hate to say it, but the image was pretty comparable. The Sony has a nice square pixel structure while the 1080P DLP image uses Diamond pixels due to the wobulation.

There was a post earlier in this thread stating that 1080P is really benefitting the consumer and I agree. Anybody who buys an SXRD or a 1080P DLP is getting a fantastic product. I wouldn't say any one set blows away another set in the 1080P realm. In fact I really liked the illuminated Sony logo on the Qualia, much like my Sony SDM-P234 monitor, but I also liked the fact that Samsung seems to accept 1080p via HDMI and I can fit a much larger set (like 67") in my entertainment center.

Thanks Scott MS.

What type of source were you watching, a hi-def feed with bright outdoor
scenery? I would expect the Qualia 06 and the Sammy 1080p DLP
( and even the JVC 1080p ) to be very similiar in this regard.

But with movies with dark content I suspect the Sammy 1080p will be better
than the Qualia 06 ( but I would not say it blew it away ). The SXRDs due out
later in the year should come very close to the Sammy DLPs in this area with
both the SXRD and 1080p DLP sets blowing the JVC 1080p away for movies with
dark content.

Thanks Scott MS.

What type of source were you watching, a hi-def feed with bright outdoor
scenery? I would expect the Qualia 06 and the Sammy 1080p DLP
( and even the JVC 1080p ) to be very similiar in this regard.

But with movies with dark content I suspect the Sammy 1080p will be better
than the Qualia 06 ( but I would not say it blew it away ). The SXRDs due out
later in the year should come very close to the Sammy DLPs in this area with
both the SXRD and 1080p DLP sets blowing the JVC 1080p away for movies with
dark content.

It was a Mitsubishi demo feed that was connected to each set via RG6 so each set is basically tuning ATSC. I would image an HDMI input from a quality source component woulc be far superior. Regardless, it was very good.

As I stated before the two sets were in their own league. Was one better than the other? Maybe, but hard to tell -- plus the Sony was 70" and the Samsung ws 61".

But the two were clearly well ahead of the rest of the 720p crowd.



.

Fair enough. I am making this statement on fact that the Qualia 06 blows
away the JVC 1080p in this area and the Sony SXRDs will have the new and
improved SXRD chips that sport much higher CR than the Qualia 06. Of
course this also depends on the optics,etc. that Sony ends up using but
lets not forget they will part of the XBR "brand"...

Dude, go oil your color wheel. You are a bastion of misinformation.

It was a Mitsubishi demo feed that was connected to each set via RG6 so each set is basically tuning ATSC. I would image an HDMI input from a quality source component woulc be far superior. Regardless, it was very good.

As I stated before the two sets were in their own league. Was one better than the other? Maybe, but hard to tell -- plus the Sony was 70" and the Samsung ws 61".

But the two were clearly well ahead of the rest of the 720p crowd.



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Thanks again! Yes, the Mitsubishi feed has very bright colors, etc. It will interesting to
compare the Qualia 06 and the Sammy 1080p with movies playing dark content. This is
where the 1080p DLPs really shine and where the Sony SXRDs will be very comparable...

Dude, go oil your color wheel. You are a bastion of misinformation.

And thank you for your very informative and enlightening post.

Keep'em coming!

Unfortunately it has turned out to be a false alarm with the Samsung's accepting 1080p60 over HDMI. Schaffer has just posted (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5931538&&#post5931538) that the set is receiving 1920x1080i at 60Hz, which is a heck of a lot different than 1920x1080p at 60 Hz. This means that for the moment there is still no RPTV that can accept 1080p60 over HDMI. For those hoping to get a TV that can accept 1080p60 input over HDMI the Sony SXRDs this fall will be the last hope for the year.

Unfortunately it has turned out to be a false alarm with the Samsung's accepting 1080p60 over HDMI. Schaffer has just posted (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5931538&&#post5931538) that the set is receiving 1920x1080i at 60Hz, which is a heck of a lot different than 1920x1080p at 60 Hz. This means that for the moment there is still no RPTV that can accept 1080p60 over HDMI. For those hoping to get a TV that can accept 1080p60 input over HDMI the Sony SXRDs this fall will be the last hope for the year.

True, but I'm sure sony will have 1080p over HDMI as they are releasing 2 products: the PS3 and their new prosumer HDCAMs that will deliver 1080p images. (it will also have little sony media card slot as well). Sony is very good about cross promoting their products and FORCING you to only buy their products to insure compatability. For that reason I've avoided sony in the past, but perhaps now I'll have to wait for this set. If even a small number of people are swayed to buy their 1080p RPTVs because of the PS3/HDCAMs, then it will be worth it to them....more likely many will be swayed by this feature of 1080p over HDMI/DVI

Unfortunately it has turned out to be a false alarm with the Samsung's accepting 1080p60 over HDMI. Schaffer has just posted (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5931538&&#post5931538) that the set is receiving 1920x1080i at 60Hz, which is a heck of a lot different than 1920x1080p at 60 Hz. This means that for the moment there is still no RPTV that can accept 1080p60 over HDMI. For those hoping to get a TV that can accept 1080p60 input over HDMI the Sony SXRDs this fall will be the last hope for the year.

Looks like from this that Sony might be the only game box to output 1080P

here (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=10)

It's absurd, IMHO, for adults to be playing video games... .


One could equally say that about watching many of the movies you may have watched...Star Wars, Batman, Lord of the Rings, etc.

I suppose there must be many other adults like myself engaged in absurd behaviour.

The video game industry made $10 billion last year (http://www.123webguru.com/website_design_news/hollywoodu524.html) which is around the same as the movie industry. Now why say something is absurd when it may be pushing advances in the technology that we all, including you, enjoy.

Personally, I would like a 1080p set. Why should it be an issue if someone wants to know if these sets accept a 1920x1080/60Hz signal? It's a simple question I would like an answer to as it will influence my purchase decision. I really don't care how many others feel like myself or not. I respect everyone's usage desires.

And, if you know about production equipment capabilities, give me some model numbers. Let me look it up. Are these pieces of production equipment upgradeable, etc? Why make speculation w/o facts?

Trying to argue about who is making the right predictions about this stuff is futile; probably much like my comments here. ;)

Sean

Dude, go oil your color wheel. You are a bastion of misinformation.


He's going for the #1 spot of posters who continually post absurdities, misinformation, nonsense and untruths. Seems if you just take the opposite position on any of his posts you'll be pretty close to the truth. Never saw any one person post more inaccuracies.

http://hd-gamer.com/mambo//content/view/111/2/

Article says a little about the SXRD's which some of you may find interesting.

As for all the nonsense and ego inflated posturing... can we just stick to the
facts about the SXRD's on this thread?

I read on another site, and sorry I lost the link, that there will be 2 HDMI inputs and a PC input.

Also, the Crutchfield's August catalog is rumored to have SXRD info.

Keep your eyes open and ears tuned in.

ok so help me here. If the sammys DONT do 1080p over HDMI and most likely that is the connection point for HD DVD what the heck is the benefit of even buying a 1080p dlp if you cant use it to its fullest benefit?????????????

ok so help me here. If the sammys DONT do 1080p over HDMI and most likely that is the connection point for HD DVD what the heck is the benefit of even buying a 1080p dlp if you cant use it to its fullest benefit?????????????

HD DVD will not have 1080p source material...at least not in the foreseeable future...and that is the point that keeps getting stressed by those people that i'm sure acknowledge that having a set that accepts 1080p would be great, but that it isn't something that really should be of much concern at this point in time given the average useful life of TV (i.e., when it will be upgraded, not necessarily when it will die).

Only possibility at this point would be video gaming and I guess using outboard processing (e.g., outboard deinterlacers/scalers, etc.)

For those hoping for 1080p from HD DVD, don't hold your breath—Toshiba confirmed that the data is recorded on HD DVD in 1080i, and there are no plans to change that. The players have already been designed for 1080i discs, and it would take a redesign to enable them to handle 1080p discs, even if there were plans to produce them

Yeah Rob, reports by a person who actually has the product is doubtful, but discussing yet-to-be-announced-SXRD-television-sets is all facts!! Right!!

You ARE a special member here.

Hey Scott-

Looks like I was right. See Richard Paul's link above?

Schaeffer now admits that the TV was indicating a 1080 interlaced signal, NOT progressive.

Shame on ME for being "doubtful"!?!?!?!

:rolleyes:

Hey Scott-

Looks like I was right. See Richard Paul's link above?

Schaeffer now admits that the TV was indicating a 1080 interlaced signal, NOT progressive.

Shame on ME for being "doubtful"!?!?!?!

:rolleyes:

Buzzkill! :D

Buzzkill! :D

:p

http://hd-gamer.com/mambo//content/view/111/2/

Article says a little about the SXRD's which some of you may find interesting.

As for all the nonsense and ego inflated posturing... can we just stick to the
facts about the SXRD's on this thread?

I read on another site, and sorry I lost the link, that there will be 2 HDMI inputs and a PC input.

Also, the Crutchfield's August catalog is rumored to have SXRD info.

Keep your eyes open and ears tuned in.

I am in for the 70 in., 1080p HDMI or no 1080p HDMI, but I would be
surprised if the SRXDs don't support 1080p HDMI...

Hey Tony- why did you add the question marks to your signature regarding your Samsung?

Hey Tony- why did you add the question marks to your signature regarding your Samsung?

It was shipped on Thursday. I find out today it still sitting in a warehouse
in SAC because OC is only a 4 hour drive away and they have a 3 to
5 day window to deliver. Alledgedly it will start down tomorrow or
the next next and if I don't hear from them by Friday I am suppose
to call them back!

So it is a question to me on whether or not its on its way :-)

I am holding out for a 70 in. version SXRD XBR as long as it is everything I
expect, high CR, even better blacks, etc. whenever it comes out and if it comes
out 2Q next year, I should still be able to get a good price from the sale
of the 6168.

The last several years I have been buying a TV every year. I buy them
in the $3k to $4K range and then sell for about $2k so I have been able
to have the "almost latest and greatest" every year without it costing
me too much money.

But if I buy a $7K or $8k Sony 70 in. SXRD XBR then I suspect it will much
harder to sell anywhere close to this price a year later so I need to plan
on keeping it for 4 or 5 years and be happy with it.

It was shipped on Thursday. I find out today it still sitting in a warehouse
in SAC because OC is only a 4 hour drive away and they have a 3 to
5 day window to deliver. Alledgedly it will start down tomorrow or
the next next and if I don't hear from them by Friday I am suppose
to call them back!

So it is a question to me on whether or not its on its way :-)

I am holding out for a 70 in. version SXRD XBR as long as it is everything I
expect, high CR, even better blacks, etc. whenever it comes out and if it comes
out 2Q next year, I should still be able to get a good price from the sale
of the 6168.

The last several years I have been buying a TV every year. I buy them
in the $3k to $4K range and then sell for about $2k so I have been able
to have the "almost latest and greatest" every year without it costing
me too much money.

But if I buy a $7K or $8k Sony 70 in. SXRD XBR then I suspect it will much
harder to sell anywhere close to this price a year later so I need to plan
on keeping it for 4 or 5 years and be happy with it.


Got ya.

Well, if I decide to sit on the sidelines for another 10 months or so and your 70" XBR is released, keep me in mind for the 6168. :)

Getting back on track, there were rumors awhile ago that Sony was dropping the SXRD line. Has anyone heard any more on this? Also, has anyone heard anyt more info on these sets? Like if they've even been confirmed by Sony, narrowed down release dates, ect...

ok so help me here. If the sammys DONT do 1080p over HDMI and most likely that is the connection point for HD DVD what the heck is the benefit of even buying a 1080p dlp if you cant use it to its fullest benefit?????????????
There seem to be a lot of people who assume that HD DVD will be 1080p. Based on what I've read I expect HD DVD disks to be 1080i. The player may have the capacity to de-interlace to 1080p, but I would expect it to also output an unmodified 1080i.

There seem to be a lot of people who assume that HD DVD will be 1080p. Based on what I've read I expect HD DVD disks to be 1080i. The player may have the capacity to de-interlace to 1080p, but I would expect it to also output an unmodified 1080i.

Knowing Sony they probably throw a wrench in this by having 1080p
be the standard format on Blu-Ray...

ok so help me here. If the sammys DONT do 1080p over HDMI and most likely that is the connection point for HD DVD what the heck is the benefit of even buying a 1080p dlp if you cant use it to its fullest benefit?????????????Blu-ray supports 1080p though just recently I have found out that HD-DVD doesn't. Also even besides Blu-ray their is the PS3 and HTPCs so their are a few reasons that 1080p HDMI inputs might be a good idea. And their is also the fact that without a 1080p input their is no way to do external scaling.


Getting back on track, there were rumors awhile ago that Sony was dropping the SXRD line. Has anyone heard any more on this? Also, has anyone heard anyt more info on these sets? Like if they've even been confirmed by Sony, narrowed down release dates, ect...The rumor turned out to be false and it is expected that Crutchfield will soon release some information on the new SXRDs. Most likely though it will not be until November before we know everything about the TVs, but a lot of information will probably squeak out between now and than.


Knowing Sony they probably throw a wrench in this by having 1080p
be the standard format on Blu-Ray...Up until yesterday I had always thought that both Blu-ray and HD-DVD would both be capable of 1080p. I did suspect that some of the first discs may be 1080i but I was pretty sure that both formats would be capable of 1080p24. Turns out though that for some strange reason the only 1080 resolution allowed on HD-DVD will be 1080i at 30 fps. Technically it gets more complicated since you don't have to do interlace filtering even on actual interlace video so technically it boils down to one of two things. Either 1: HD-DVD won't be capable of 1080p video, or 2: HD-DVD won't work on 1080i displays. My guess is the former since the latter would knock out to much of the market.

Most likely though it will not be until November before we know everything about the TVs...
Just curious what you base this on. Do you think things will be so delayed that even the information about these sets won't be available until November? Even though we haven't really heard anything concrete from Sony or anybody else, is there reason to believe that these sets won't really be out in October and November?

Jason

JasonColeman:

First they ignore you, then they make fun of you, then they try to tear you down--

I will never be sorry for offending the first category of persons. I'm not an SXRD fan but I'm not anti-Sony or even Anti TV Industry.


Why arent you a sxrd fan? :confused: :eek:

Jason, it just looks like Sony is being pretty careful with the information on these SXRDs and that information such as whether or not they can accept 1080p60 over HDMI might not be available until they actually come out. As for the November comment I just messed up and forgot that it is expected to be an October release.

Why arent you a sxrd fan? :confused: :eek:Artwood might be Samsung's red headed step child looking for parental love.

Please! For all my sniping at SXRD it still runs rings around anything that Samsung makes!

I just don't think it's as great as its ad campaign at the forum. I also believe Sony could have produced it for maybe only 10% more than what JVC produces its D'ILA sets.

I wonder sometimes what Video world we would currently live in if Sony had embraced DLP and spent dollars improving it and its plasma offerings instead of waisting so much of those R&D dollars and advertising dollars on Rear Projection LCD which everyone should know by now is a dead end.

Sony is a great company--I just think the Qualia might be Bernie Kosar's last college touchdown pass against Boston College instead of what every plant involved here at the Forum's characteriztion which is Doug Flutie's game winning pass.

If Sony had pursued engineering excellence like it did in the 90's instead of marketing Rear Projection LCD junk they wouldn't have to be pulling a rabbit out of their hat. SXRD HAS to succeed for them and if it does--even I a critic will surrender and be happy--all I'm saying is it didn't have to be this way. Sony should be UCLA with John Wooden at the helm--his teams never had to pull a rabbitt out of a hat!

ok so help me here. If the sammys DONT do 1080p over HDMI and most likely that is the connection point for HD DVD what the heck is the benefit of even buying a 1080p dlp if you cant use it to its fullest benefit?????????????



People on this forum, (not you Suzook) have lost the plot on the issue of 1080p support.

If you don’t play games, there is no need for 1080p 60fps.

All 1080p video source in the foreseeable future will be 1080p 24fps.

BluRay and HD-DVD DO NOT SUPPORT 1080p 60.

Here are the specs for BluRay:

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/assets/downloadablefile/bdj_gem_application_definition_050307-12959.pdf

BluRay disks will carry 1080i 50-60Hz (50-60 FIELDS per second) or 1080p 24fps.
The player will output 1080p 24 directly or convert 1080p 24 to industry standard 1080i 50 or 60Hz.

Current film sourced 1080i and a lot of 1080i studio video cameras (1080 psf24) are actually progressive in nature, with both fields coming from the same frame, or instant in time.
This 1080i video can be inverse telecined and weave deinterlaced to perfect 1080p 24fps.
So there is plenty of 1080p source available right now.

Note that ALL 1080p source is 24fps NOT 60fps, so 1080p 24 support is MUCH more important then 1080p 60.

It is vital that 24fps video be displayed at 24fps (or frame doubled to 48fps) to avoid very annoying judder due to the conversion to 30 Frames per second or 60 Fields per second.

Remember that digital displays do not flicker and need not be refreshed like a CRT, so 24fps operation should be just fine. Simple frame doubling to 48fps can be used in the display if required.

If you use an external scaler or HTPC, you will also need to work with 1080p 24 for best quality.

So, for people that want to watch video (not play games), 1080p 24 or 1080i psf24 input support is what we need.

If the new SXRD displays support 1080p 60 and NOT 1080p 24 or 1080i psf24, I for one will be very disappointed.

Please! For all my sniping at SXRD it still runs rings around anything that Samsung makes!

I just don't think it's as great as its ad campaign at the forum. I also believe Sony could have produced it for maybe only 10% more than what JVC produces its D'ILA sets.

I wonder sometimes what Video world we would currently live in if Sony had embraced DLP and spent dollars improving it and its plasma offerings instead of waisting so much of those R&D dollars and advertising dollars on Rear Projection LCD which everyone should know by now is a dead end.

Sony is a great company--I just think the Qualia might be Bernie Kosar's last college touchdown pass against Boston College instead of what every plant involved here at the Forum's characteriztion which is Doug Flutie's game winning pass.

If Sony had pursued engineering excellence like it did in the 90's instead of marketing Rear Projection LCD junk they wouldn't have to be pulling a rabbit out of their hat. SXRD HAS to succeed for them and if it does--even I a critic will surrender and be happy--all I'm saying is it didn't have to be this way. Sony should be UCLA with John Wooden at the helm--his teams never had to pull a rabbitt out of a hat!

As one who is getting close to buying the Sony rear-projection LCD set, but without a ton of technical knowledge, explain to me why you say its a dead end and why you call it junk. Who else shares these opinions, and who else here has the opposite opinion?

While I am asking about this, I might as well ask too - how many are having sde problems with these sets, and do you have to worry about burn-in with a projection LCD set? I hear people saying to keep the contrast and brightness down, yet i like them set high, and i dont want to spend thousands of dollars to watch what i consider is a washed-out low contrast low brightness picture to prevent burn-in.

Thanks to all in advance for your answers. :)

Please! For all my sniping at SXRD it still runs rings around anything that Samsung makes!

I just don't think it's as great as its ad campaign at the forum. I also believe Sony could have produced it for maybe only 10% more than what JVC produces its D'ILA sets.

And they probably will this year. The "Qualia line" is all about introducing new technology with the best of everything in it no matter what the expense. The current Qualia sets use a .78-inch panel and Sony has said they have a .6-inch LCOS panel. My semiconductor experience would suggest that the .6-inch panel would cost less than 1/2 as much at a .78-inch panel, thats a pretty good starting point for reducing cost.

I wonder sometimes what Video world we would currently live in if Sony had embraced DLP and spent dollars improving it and its plasma offerings instead of waisting so much of those R&D dollars and advertising dollars on Rear Projection LCD which everyone should know by now is a dead end.

Now this is truly a baffling statement. If Sony have "embraced DLP" we would have yet another similar DLP product with the rainbow effect. Sony would be totally at the whim of TI and would have little differentiation over sets out of Korea and China. By your own admission, the Qualia set looks great compared to "anything Samsung makes." So if they can get the price down on their SXRD product, which it looks like what they are going to do, they will have a winner in the likes of Trinitron rather than being yet another DLP company.

As far as Plasma goes, Sony is not the only company that is seeing it at a dead end. Plasma gets squeeze on one end by LCD and by microdisplays with larger screens and and more affordable higher resolution on the other end.

If Sony had pursued engineering excellence like it did in the 90's instead of marketing Rear Projection LCD junk they wouldn't have to be pulling a rabbit out of their hat. SXRD HAS to succeed for them and if it does--even I a critic will surrender and be happy--all I'm saying is it didn't have to be this way. Sony should be UCLA with John Wooden at the helm--his teams never had to pull a rabbitt out of a hat!

Right now they are the leader in RPTV sales so they must be doing something better than the competition. You say you want them to pursue "engineering excellence" but you have said you wanted them to follow every one else doing DLP so they can be yet another follower at the whim of TI. Right now SXRD has engineering excellence over DLP, if they can get the cost right, then they will have succeeded with engineering excellence. I don't think Sony would have gotten to where they are today in Television if they had just done yet another RCA 3-gun CRT rather than the Trinitron.

http://hd-gamer.com/mambo//content/view/111/2/

Article says a little about the SXRD's which some of you may find interesting.

As for all the nonsense and ego inflated posturing... can we just stick to the
facts about the SXRD's on this thread?

I read on another site, and sorry I lost the link, that there will be 2 HDMI inputs and a PC input.

Also, the Crutchfield's August catalog is rumored to have SXRD info.

Keep your eyes open and ears tuned in.


The August catalog doesn't have anything - supposedly its the FALL catalog that will have SXRD info.

Jason, it just looks like Sony is being pretty careful with the information on these SXRDs and that information such as whether or not they can accept 1080p60 over HDMI might not be available until they actually come out. As for the November comment I just messed up and forgot that it is expected to be an October release.
Phew, you scared me for a minute...:) I'm going to have a hard enough time waiting until October for one of these sets.

Jason

i believe the correct models for these are xbr's, not A10's or A20's.
KDSR50XBR1 avail sometime 9/05 - 10/5 - 3999.99
KDSR60XBR1 avail sometime 9/05 - 10/5 - 4999.99

should be tuff to walk in and get a hold of one right away unless pre-ordered. (since XBR is only authorized to certain dealers and at the price points coming out i'm sure they will be popular)

i believe the correct models for these are xbr's.
KDSR50XBR1 avail 9/05 - 10/05
KDSR60XBR1 avail 9/05 - 10/05

Is there ANY possibility that the 60" [50"] could be out in September? Thanks in ADVANCE.

P.S.

To those who helped me about my question about putting on a "Bug Screen" on a SXRD, I haven't forgotten, AND want to say thank-you for your help. I'm (just) stuck in a RUT :o in my life -- MATTHEW.

"As far as Plasma goes, Sony is not the only company that is seeing it at a dead end. Plasma gets squeeze on one end by LCD and by microdisplays with larger screens and and more affordable higher resolution on the other end."

Industry numbers for plasma this year are about 7 million units. For microdisplay RPTV, < 1/2 of that. Forecasts call for the same.

It's hard to argue that Sony is adept at picking all the winners.

All that said, I totally agree with pushing SXRD and not another me-too DLP. Those are a dime a dozen and plenty of people are making them to give us all choice and competition.

It's nice that Sony is pushing both LCD (next year's models are going to be even better) and SXRD (coming down in price). We get even more choice and a strong player behind multiple technologies.

Spoke to Steve :) (Skindig) about when the Fall Crutchfield Catalog should be showing up in our mailboxes, and said between August 10-15. He also said that when he's sure that the webpages/"write-up" will be going out, that he will post to this thread. Come to think of it, I'm not sure what he meant by post to this thread. That the info will be going up on Crutchfield site "soon??" Or that he will actually post more (besides the measurements), or "THEE" actual SXRD "specs" in this thread?? Probably the former.

HOPEFULLY! there will be some SXRD info posted on their webpage way before the catalogs arrive.

Spoke to Steve :) (Skindig) about when the Fall Crutchfield Catalog should be showing up in our mailboxes, and said between August 10-15. He also said that when he's sure that the webpages/"write-up" will be going out, that he will post to this thread. Come to think of it, I'm not sure what he meant by post to this thread. That the info will be going up on Crutchfield site "soon??" Or that he will actually post more (besides the measurements), or "THEE" actual SXRD "specs" in this thread?? Probably the former.

HOPEFULLY! there will be some SXRD info posted on their webpage way before the catalogs arrive.Many times there is an embargo placed on reviewers and retailers so official information is not release before the date specified by the manufacturer. By honoring that agreement the reviewers and retailers will have had time to familiarize themselves with the product before anouncement.

BTW, at lunch today I had a chance to see a 1080p Samsung HL-R6168W DLP set at a Magnolia inside Best Buy. It was next to a KDF-60XBR950. The old XBR had a picture pretty close to the brand new Samsung. I was very surprised that when passing my view from one side of the set the the other, the rainbows still popped up. However, I didn't notice it in the picture while limiting my view to a certain area of the screen.

The picture on the Samsung was nice looking on the Discovery HD feed they had. Unfortunately sharpness and image depth wasn't dramatic over the old XBR. It was slightly sharper but there was also a visible halo around edge details, over enhanced.

I'm more convinced than ever the extra $500 MSRP for a 60" SXRD set would be well worth never having to worry about rainbows and whatever else me become a visual distraction. A better picture would just be gravy.

...

It's nice that Sony is pushing both LCD (next year's models are going to be even better) and SXRD (coming down in price). We get even more choice and a strong player behind multiple technologies.

What happened to their plans for the Qualia 005, which I'm sure is the predecessor to a standard Sony product, using their Triluminos LED backlight system technology?

BTW, at lunch today I had a chance to see a 1080p Samsung HL-R6168W DLP set at a Magnolia inside Best Buy. It was next to a KDF-60XBR950. The old XBR had a picture pretty close to the brand new Samsung. I was very surprised that when passing my view from one side of the set the the other, the rainbows still popped up. However, I didn't notice it in the picture while limiting my view to a certain area of the screen.

The picture on the Samsung was nice looking on the Discovery HD feed they had. Unfortunately sharpness and image depth wasn't dramatic over the old XBR. It was slightly sharper but there was also a visible halo around edge details, over enhanced.

I'm more convinced than ever the extra $500 MSRP for a 60" SXRD set would be well worth never having to worry about rainbows and whatever else me become a visual distraction. A better picture would just be gravy.

I would not be that suprised. In fact just two days ago I was at magnolia and they did not have any Samsung 1080P's but guess what they did have? A 70 inch Qualia, I've seen one before and was impressed but nothing was around to compare it to. Well right next to the Qualia was a 60XRB950 and to be honest I thought the XBR did some things better than the Qualia. Both sets were hooked up to a Direct TV feed via component and the room was very dark. ESPN was playing a baseball game in HD. The XBR seemed to have a snappier picture and was sharper than the Qualia, the Qualia did have better blacks and was a little more 3D looking but it did not look as sharp. I don't know if the size of the screen makes that much of a difference. So I find it interesting that you did not see a dramatic difference with XBR compared to the Samsung 1080P, because I did not see a dramatic difference with the XBR and the Qualia. Unless sony improves the new SXRD sets compared to the Qualia, I have a feeling you won't see a dramatic difference with those either. The manager at Magnolia told me he is expecting the 71 1080p samsung in a couple of weeks, and when it arrives he will put it right next to the Qualia, that should be fun. :D I also asked about the new Sony SXRD's and he looked in his computer and said he is expecting a 55inchXS SXRD and 60inch XS SXRD models at the end of September, don't know how accurate that is.

Does anyone know if sxrd will be similar to lcd/dlp or plasma with respect to viewing from an angle?

The manager at Magnolia told me he is expecting the 71 1080p samsung in a couple of weeks, and when it arrives he will put it right next to the Qualia, that should be fun.

Which Magnolia is this? I too would really like to see these two side-by-side.

Which Magnolia is this? I too would really like to see these two side-by-side.


The one in Torrance, CA. off of PCH.

If these SXRD models are anything like the Qualia, they will have excellent viewing angles...read the reviews on the Qualia 006.

If these SXRD models are anything like the Qualia, they will have excellent viewing angles...read the reviews on the Qualia 006.
Short answer:
Too soon to know.

Long answer:
I think it depends at what level Sony equips the new SXRDs. The Qualia and XBR950 use a multi-layer lenticular screen to improve viewing angles. We are recently seeing the possibility of them being released as an XS series and the current XS do not use the same screen system as the Qualia and XBR950.

What happened to their plans for the Qualia 005, which I'm sure is the predecessor to a standard Sony product, using their Triluminos LED backlight system technology?

It's delayed for unspecified reasons.

Note, also, I was referring in my post to RP LCD. There is a new LCD microdisplay coming soon from Sony that will make the brand new Grand Wegas -- as good as they may be -- look less impressive by comparison.

Should be in next year's models. Hopefully will be in a cheap FP sometime early next year. (Cheap = $3500 or less.)

It's delayed for unspecified reasons.

Note, also, I was referring in my post to RP LCD. There is a new LCD microdisplay coming soon from Sony that will make the brand new Grand Wegas -- as good as they may be -- look less impressive by comparison.

Should be in next year's models. Hopefully will be in a cheap FP sometime early next year. (Cheap = $3500 or less.)HTPS or SXRD?

What happened to their plans for the Qualia 005, which I'm sure is the predecessor to a standard Sony product, using their Triluminos LED backlight system technology?
Isn't that a small LCD flat panel set?

HTPS or SXRD?

I think he's talking 'Beena' HTPS;
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200502/05-007E/index.html

Hi guys. I have confirmation that the model numbers are as I listed them several days ago: KDS-R50XBR1 and KDS-R60XBR1, although I still don't believe Sony plans to market them as XBRs. Also, both models do have Twin-View.

Steve

Hi guys. I have confirmation that the model numbers are as I listed them several days ago: KDS-R50XBR1 and KDS-R60XBR1, although I still don't believe Sony plans to market them as XBRs. Also, both models do have Twin-View.

Steve

Steve, thats very very interesting....they will have XBR model #s, but possibly no XBR circuitry? Hmmmmm.....this ought to be interesting! Thanks for the post.

Chris

The Qualia and XBR950 use a multi-layer lenticular screen to improve viewing angles.

But doesn't this screen on the 06 make a very umpleasant glary screen? I was really surprised when I first saw the 06; I found the screen to reflect everything in the room. The Mitsubishi 720p's have been roundly criticized for the glary screen they have, and that on the 06 looked every bit as bad as that on the Mits. An improved viewing angle seems to me to be a heavy price to pay for this.

Also, both models do have Twin-View.

Steve

Thanks Steve. Good to have you "back" on here (LOL).

Now my other concerns are the 1080p over HDMI issue, Off Angle Viewing/Glary Screen, and the " "Wings" " (frame, then gap, then more frame - XS Series). Where does it end guys ' . ' :(

-- Matthew

But doesn't this screen on the 06 make a very umpleasant glary screen? I was really surprised when I first saw the 06; I found the screen to reflect everything in the room. The Mitsubishi 720p's have been roundly criticized for the glary screen they have, and that on the 06 looked every bit as bad as that on the Mits. An improved viewing angle seems to me to be a heavy price to pay for this.The Qualia screen is several layers of different material. Yes, it's a shiny buggar. I'll try to find a cross-section illustration I've seen somewhere. It breaksdown the various layers purpose.

I wonder if there are any electronics in between the TV and the little connections to the wings -- I'll saw off the speakers if its just speaker wire and then sand and paint :)

I also sent this email to Sony Customer Support:

I have recently come upon information about the the KDS-R60XBR1 model which will be introduced soon - I have also realized that they will be styled similar to Sony XS series models, which is ugly. The space between the TV and then speakers hanging there does not look good. Can you implement removable speakers in your next line atleast, like the Qualia 006. Most consumers buying this class of TV have very good home entertainment systems and do prefer removable speakers and a clean look to the TV. If the speakers were at the bottom that would be good too, as it would fit in more places, instead of the extra wide aspect of these sets. This will be a marketing disaster if these brand new SXRD TVs come out looking like the XS series. Also, there are consumers already buying the Samsung DLP after having discovered these TVs wouldn't fit into existing Television cabinets which have been made for 4:3 TVs, the same consumers who would have waited for the SXRD release.

SlickVik

Even if they're no wires in the wings, it would seem that sawing the wings off is likely to affect the structual integrity of the set and/or provide openings for dust to enter.

However, if you decide to go ahead and do saw the wings off, best of luck!!!

I'd think that sawing off the wings would void the warranty as well.

Naw...I'm sure Sony would still honor the warranty if you took a Sawzall to those pesky speakers! :D

Jason

After reading this insanely long thread, I have put off my purchase of the new 720p 52" JVC sets till the 50" SXRD comes out, but because of the "speaker wings" I think I might end up having to go with the 1080p JVC only because of the width. The one thing I don't like about the JVCs (from what people have posted here) is the black level, that might be fixed on the SXRD set but the speaker wings extra width probably won't fit in my space. That is a real deal breaker for me. I hope they fold back or something cause it just won't work if the speakers are there.

Note to Sony: If I could fit 57.25" of width I'd be buying a 60" set not a 50" one.

Luffy, from all indications these sets will have the same case as the XS series. Here's a link to a picture of the KDF60XS955:

http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/650x650/KDF60XS955.jpg

The 60" has a width of a little over 66"

I hope they fold back or something...
That would be a neat trick! :) I wouldn't count on it. Hopefully they will either not have the disastrous wing-style speakers or they will be removable. Maybe Skindig Steve can shed some more light on this...maybe a sneak peek? :D

Jason

Hi guys. I have confirmation that the model numbers are as I listed them several days ago: KDS-R50XBR1 and KDS-R60XBR1, although I still don't believe Sony plans to market them as XBRs. Also, both models do have Twin-View.

Steve
Steve.... you're KILLING ME!

Come on, spill the pictures! Let's see a grainy scan of a fax... something! Maybe a taped together spec sheet recovered from the shredder.

:D

Seriously though, thanks for sharing what you have.

For those who don't like the Wings because of the "style" (not because of the extra width it adds to the TV), have you considered filling in the gap with something? I don't know with what :) , but something? There is some real creative people in this forum. I hear of people painting their TV's, wanting to saw off speakers (LOL).

-- Matthew

Maybe a taped together spec sheet recovered from the shredder.

Too funny! Uninvited Guest. :D

have you considered filling in the gap with something?
Yeah, how about some additional screen width? :D Or maybe some pudding...mmmm, pudding...

Jason

Or maybe some pudding...mmmm, pudding...

Jason :p


Pudding?, or just pudding skins? :D

That would be a neat trick! :) I wouldn't count on it. Hopefully they will either not have the disastrous wing-style speakers or they will be removable. Maybe Skindig Steve can shed some more light on this...maybe a sneak peek? :D

Jason


I too was hoping these new Sony SXRD's would have the slim-style cabinet that they are using on the new A10 series 3LCD models. I currenly have a KF42WE610 that is almost one year old. It has had no problems at all, but I not pleased about the picture in dark/night scenes. The picture rocks on bright scenes, and ballgames etc, but has a muddy, murky gray look on night scenes. Plus I would love to get a 50 inch model. I can live with it, but wouldn't mind upgrading to something better. The new 50 inch A10 will fit in my space well (a $3000 Ethan Allen cabinet that I don't want to elimimate), since the speakers were moved from the sides to the bottom. The question is how much improved will the dark and shadow detail be? The TV I REALLY want is the SXRD, BUT Sony has decided to use the wider cabinet design. That is a dealbreaker for me. I am now stuck buying the newer A10 LCD, or a Samsung 50 inch DLP. I wish Sony would wake up and either use the narrow cabinet design, or make the speakers removable as they are on Pioneer plasmas. Let's hope Sony reads these posts, and comes up with a slim version of SXRD soon.

I wonder how long after release it will take for the "SXRD Wing-Removal Write-up" to appear....

After reading this insanely long thread, I have put off my purchase of the new 720p 52" JVC sets till the 50" SXRD comes out, but because of the "speaker wings" I think I might end up having to go with the 1080p JVC only because of the width. The one thing I don't like about the JVCs (from what people have posted here) is the black level, that might be fixed on the SXRD set but the speaker wings extra width probably won't fit in my space. That is a real deal breaker for me. I hope they fold back or something cause it just won't work if the speakers are there.

Note to Sony: If I could fit 57.25" of width I'd be buying a 60" set not a 50" one.

"Black Levels" were just fine on the 1080P D-ILA demo'd at the CES, of course it remains to be seen if the production models this fall are the equal of what was demo'd. If they are, they'll cause quite a stir.

Does anyone have a Sony 800 number, or at least an email address where we can voice our opinion on these
Dumbo Ears?

Hopefully, this would give them some idea of the opportunity cost inherent in this design.

Does anyone have a Sony 800 number, or at least an email address where we can voice our opinion on these
Dumbo Ears?

Hopefully, this would give them some idea of the opportunity cost inherent in this design.


Hard to believe they wouldn't at least produce some of both designs...

I think he's talking 'Beena' HTPS;
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200502/05-007E/index.html

Yes. It appears to be a dramatic leaps in the panel performance of HTPS.

And it suggests that HTPS will fill the lower end below SXRD for a long while.

I later cornered him to get confirmation of these factsYou still have him there duct taped to the chair for interrogation, right? ;)

... he reiterated what has been posted here that they'll be side speakers on a cabinet something like that of the XS955 and Qualia.
Since the Qualia has removable speakers how can a XS955 case be similar?

I'm most curious if the new SXRD sets will have iLink or Firewire inputs. The original info Lew Black posted omitted iLink from the feature list. However now that we have new KDS-R50XBR1 and KDS-R60XBR1 model numbers we need a new feature list. Anybody have anything?

I can't recall if the latest issue of TPV discussed this but for some reason I thought I read somewhere that they ARE expected to have i.Link/1394 connectors.

Any info on a non Qualia 70" SXRD ????

I can't recall if the latest issue of TPV discussed this but for some reason I thought I read somewhere that they ARE expected to have i.Link/1394 connectors.
The article doesn't say anything about the connections. It's only a couple of sentences about the new sets and nothing really to sink your teeth into. It's a broader article discussing Sony's new line-up for the year and the SXRD is only a vague informationless blip.

Jason

Here's the pertinent section:

"A Sony product specialist indicated to me that the company intends to offer new 50" and 60" rear projectors utilizing 1920 x 1080p, three-chip SXRD (Silicon X-tal Relective Display- Sony's brand of LCos) technology later this year. The new sets will use a .61" chip instead of the .78" device found in the current Qualia."

It also reiterates that the current 60" XBR set has been discontinued, but that they will keep the 70" XBR around for the next year, which further leads me to believe that a 70" SXRD is not anywhere in the near future. Bummer...

The article also mentions the A10s and the A20s, and again claims that the Cinema Black Pro (Dynamic Iris) is on the A20s and not the A10s. I believe that Crutchfield corrected their same mistake on their site.

Jason

Here's the pertinent section:

"A Sony product specialist indicated to me that the company intends to offer new 50" and 60" rear projectors utilizing 1920 x 1080p, three-chip SXRD (Silicon X-tal Relective Display- Sony's brand of LCos) technology later this year. The new sets will use a .61" chip instead of the .78" device found in the current Qualia."

It also reiterates that the current 60" XBR set has been discontinued, but that they will keep the 70" XBR around for the next year, which further leads me to believe that a 70" SXRD is not anywhere in the near future. Bummer...

The article also mentions the A10s and the A20s, and again claims that the Cinema Black Pro (Dynamic Iris) is on the A20s and not the A10s. I believe that Crutchfield corrected their same mistake on their site.

Jason
Thanks Jason

Here's the pertinent section:

It also reiterates that the current 60" XBR set has been discontinued, but that they will keep the 70" XBR around for the next year, which further leads me to believe that a 70" SXRD is not anywhere in the near future. Bummer...

Jason

No 70" is a bummer. Guess they figured it would compete with the Qualia 70" and they need to get some more milage out of it first. :mad:

No 70" is a bummer. Guess they figured it would compete with the Qualia 70" and they need to get some more milage out of it first. :mad:

Yep, and about the time the 70" comes out I'll bet the next version of the Qualia comes out and offers the new chips and a 1080p input! These are evil geniuses!

Yep, and about the time the 70" comes out I'll bet the next version of the Qualia comes out and offers the new chips and a 1080p input!

The Qualia does not have a 1080p input?? Can someone please enlighten me? Thanks - Matthew.

I would be interested in knowing what compromises Sony has made with these new SXRD models over the Qualia SXRD. The Qualia has no compromises which explains the high price. Obviously at these much lower prices ($4 & $5K) there have been compromises made. How much will these compromises effect the overall picture? I am interested in the 50" set, but with caution about these compromises.

Has Sony indicated that they will eventually big out a new 50" or 60" Qualia?

I was trying hard to listen in, he was trying hard to avoid having me (a customer) overhear what he was saying so I may not have heard everything right. IMHO, some of the stuff he was telling the sales reps was kinda bogus but the sales reps were largely clueless about the technology and were buying it. He jumped on that "3LCD" hogwash to try and say that the A10s and A20s were so much better now in so many ways (colors, blacks, detail, etc.) because of it. Its amazing how many times I've heard sales reps telling people that the new Sony A10/A20s are so much better than previous models now that they've gone from being 1LCD to 3LCD. He also mentioned a 40" plasma (an XBR IIRC) coming out shortly and maybe a 50" version later in the year. There seemed to be some indication about Sony focusing more on RP-LCD and SXRD than plasma going forward.

The next time some salesperson starts talking about how much better the "new" 3LCD technology is, I want to tell them I'm thinking about holding out for 4LCD or maybe even 5LCD, and then just sit back and enjoy the blank look that spreads over their face.

The Qualia does not have a 1080p input?? Can someone please enlighten me? Thanks - Matthew.

No ... this has been discussed at length on the Qualia owners thread -

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=498008&perpage=20&pagenumber=334

I would be interested in knowing what compromises Sony has made with these new SXRD models over the Qualia SXRD. The Qualia has no compromises which explains the high price. Obviously at these much lower prices ($4 & $5K) there have been compromises made. How much will these compromises effect the overall picture? I am interested in the 50" set, but with caution about these compromises.

Has Sony indicated that they will eventually big out a new 50" or 60" Qualia?

There's a couple of slight differences here.....a) The 50" and 60" SXRD will be a much larger production than the Qualias thus lowering cost. b) The cost of SXRD parts by Sony will probably have come down in price by the time these sets start to be manufactured.

I agree that the Qualia was a no-holes barred approach.....but this is technology. What was great today is good tomorrow. That's the way it goes....

Here's the pertinent section:

The article also mentions the A10s and the A20s, and again claims that the Cinema Black Pro (Dynamic Iris) is on the A20s and not the A10s. I believe that Crutchfield corrected their same mistake on their site.

Jason

Huh? that is backwards to everything I have heard to date. A10's have the adjustable iris and A20's do not.

Yep, and about the time the 70" comes out I'll bet the next version of the Qualia comes out and offers the new chips and a 1080p input! These are evil geniuses!

That would be great as long as it had removable speakers and a price
tag under $9k...

Huh? that is backwards to everything I have heard to date. A10's have the adjustable iris and A20's do not.
Exactly my point...the A10 line does have the "Dynamic Iris/Cinema Black Pro" and the A20 does not. However, both TPV and Crutchfield misprinted the specs and claimed (incorrectly) that the A20 was the line with the feature. As I posted, Crutchfield has corrected that mistake on their site (Kudos!).

Jason

Hard to believe they wouldn't at least produce some of both designs...No it's not, it's a Phony! :mad:
They started the tinsey silver 'ears' design that all the other toy soldiers followed. Let it run it's course and most will get tired of both.

Exactly my point...the A10 line does have the "Dynamic Iris/Cinema Black Pro" and the A20 does not. However, both TPV and Crutchfield misprinted the specs and claimed (incorrectly) that the A20 was the line with the feature. As I posted, Crutchfield has corrected that mistake on their site (Kudos!).

Jason

Good looking out, there was enough confusion without having crutchfield add to it. Now Sony make a 55 and 60" in the A10 cabinet!

Now Sony make a 55 and 60" in the A10 cabinet!
Or even better, roll out those SXRDs and make sure they kick ass (and have removable speakers!). :D

Jason

Or even better, roll out those SXRDs and make sure they kick ass (and have removable speakers!). :D

Jason

Then the battle royal begins with Sony in one corner and Samsung's 1080p in the other. Sure wish Sony's SXRDs were coming out sooner.

Exactly my point...the A10 line does have the "Dynamic Iris/Cinema Black Pro" and the A20 does not. However, both TPV and Crutchfield misprinted the specs and claimed (incorrectly) that the A20 was the line with the feature. As I posted, Crutchfield has corrected that mistake on their site (Kudos!).

Jason

Jason, thanks for the kudos, but Crutchfield had it right from the beginning. I know because I wrote 'em.

Steve

Jason, thanks for the kudos, but Crutchfield had it right from the beginning. I know because I wrote 'em.

Steve
What's the anticipated width of the elephant ear speakers for the SXRD models?

SORRY! to throw these questions "out there."

1A. Is there any reason to believe that since the Qualia does not have a 1080p input [1080p HDMI], that the 50"/60" SXRD won't?

1B. How long has the Qualia been on the market?

2A. God forbid the SXRD does not have a 1080p input, how many of you are going to wait for a later generation, so they can take full advantage of a PS3?

2B. Would 1080p gaming be the difference between "night & day?" Like Progressive Scan DVD vs. Non Progressive scan DVD?

Sorry for all the questions, and I know everything is just speculation right now (well, except for the 1080p HDMI PS3 input).

Thanks in ADVANCE- Matthew.

Since info on these SXRD models is so spread out in this thread, here's a recap based on everyone's comments so far. Based on my sources, this information should be correct, but you can never be 100% sure until you open the box.

50" KDS-R50XBR1 MSRP: $3999
60" KDS-R60XBR1 MSRP: $4999

Features:
- 3 SXRD image panels (1920 x 1080 pixels each)
- Cinema black Pro with Advanced Iris dynamic iris mode
- Wega Engine HD video processing
- Digital Reality Creation MultiFunction V2 upconversion
- Twin-View Picture-in-Picture (split screen)
- picture settings memory for each video input
- non-detachable side speakers (15 watts x 2)

Connections:
- 3 composite video (2 rear, 1 front)
- 3 S-video (2 rear, 1 front)
- 2 component video
- 2 HDMI (one with audio jacks)
- 3 i.LINK ports (2 rear, 1 front)
- PC input
- 2 RF inputs (1 Antenna, 1 Cable)
- Memory Stick slot

Dimensions & weight
KDS-R50XBR1: 57-1/4"W x 34"H x 18-7/8"D; 94.8 lbs.
KDS-R60XBR1: 66"W x 39-3/4"H x 20-1/4"D; 112.5 lbs.

Notes
i.LINK ports appear to be HD-compatible like those on the Qualia 006. In the "i.LINK Setup" description, the example shows a JVC D-VHS deck as the source.

As you may have gathered from some comments about the A10 Grand Wegas, there are two parts to Cinema Black Pro. First, there's a global iris adjustment with, I think 4 positions, that's designed to compensate for various lighting conditions in your room. The separate Advanced Iris "dynamic iris" option is one of several video adjustments that are only available in the "Pro" picture mode.

Hope this is useful. To those folks who had to scratch the SXRDs off their lists due to the side speakers: my sympathies. I was surprised, too. To everyone else who's still considering the 50" or 60": I'm still convinced the picture quality will be worth waiting for.

Steve

Excellent recap...maybe GBFreek, the initiator of this thread, can put this in the first post to save newcomers, and regulars alike, some time digging through the thread.

Jason, thanks for the kudos, but Crutchfield had it right from the beginning. I know because I wrote 'em.

Steve
Steve,

You're absolutely correct...my mistake. It was Amazon that had misprinted the info! Sorry about the mixup! :D

Jason

WOW! 112.5 pounds for the 60". This will be my first TV over 36" (4:3 XBR 250 [Non HD]) that weighs WELL UNDER 250lbs. Can't say enough how cool! this is for me. :cool:

Thanks for the recap Steve.

SORRY! to throw these questions "out there."

2A. God forbid the SXRD does not have a 1080p input, how many of you are going to wait for a later generation, so they can take full advantage of a PS3?


Thanks in ADVANCE- Matthew.

From what I hear their won't be anything out thier that will feed it 1080p other than a PS3. At any rate i'm getting a Xbox 360 so the PS3 is no concern to me but you would think that 1080p inputs are on the way.

Seconded! And how about also having a list of things we don't yet know and questions like in the Samsung 2005 thread.
Not mentioned but probably safe to assume that these TVs will have a digital optional and/or coax output and a Cablecard slot.
Question: Will the PIP/SplitScreen support viewing a digital/HD source (such as both HDMIs, both components or a component and an HDMI) in each window?

Digital output is optical. Built-in tuners receive both over-the-air and cable digital signals (CableCARD slot). As far as split-screen support goes, digital TV stations, as well as signals from the component and HDMI inputs, will only display in the left window.

Steve

Hope this is useful.Big thanks!

When will Crutchfield be accepting orders?

AKASTP,

That's good that you brought up questions about the Twin-View feature. Now I have some of my own (LOL).

STEVE (SKINDIG),

In regards to Twin-View, for NON digital feeds, can the picture be switched from the left window to the right window, and vice versa?

And can each window be adjusted in size (not necessarily horizontally/width, but just from smaller to bigger)?

Thanks - Matthew.

Big thanks!

When will Crutchfield be accepting orders?

Any group discounts going to be set up?

STEVE (SKINDIG),

And can each window be adjusted in size (not necessarily horizontally/width, but just from smaller to bigger)?

Thanks - Matthew.

I fail to see the utility of this 'feature' you describe. You want the picture on the left to shrink much smaller than the one on the right, and so on??? Would this leave a black frame around the shrunk picture? I don't get it...

I would think they would have a small window inset in the larger one (ie. picture IN picture), and then the split screen bit, but not what you describe.

Actually, I would be more curious about toggling the audio between left and right split screens...

In regards to Twin-View, for NON digital feeds, can the picture be switched from the left window to the right window, and vice versa?

And can each window be adjusted in size (not necessarily horizontally/width, but just from smaller to bigger)?

Thanks - Matthew.

I don't think you can swap the picture from one window to the other.

If you increase the size of the right window, the left one shrinks proportionally (and vice versa).

Steve

I fail to see the utility of this 'feature' you describe. You want the picture on the left to shrink much smaller than the one on the right, and so on??? Would this leave a black frame around the shrunk picture? I don't get it...


DOBBER,

That's "true" DOBBER, huh. There is really no point in having one window smaller than the other (LOL). But it wouldn't hurt to have that option. Like I always say, options are always good (LOL). I think I seen this feature/feature in question on Mits RPTV's before.

That's a good question about toggling the audio from the left window to right window (vice versa). Most likely.

EVERYONE,

I wonder how this Twin-View can come into play w/ video games. The only video game I played (and owned) where the 2-Player mode was split down the screen VERTICALLY was, the awesome snowboarding game, ESPN X Games Snowboarding for the originaly PlayStation. Can't wait to try out video games that take advantage of Wide Screen TV's, ala Ace Combat 4.

When will Crutchfield be accepting orders?

Not sure right now. I should have a better idea by this time next week.

Steve

It's nice to get some meaningful information on these sets. Thanks Steve!

Steve, thanks so much for the information. We were waiting to hear more information on the 60 inch SXRD but I was fearful that the weight of this would be approx 175 lbs - much like the XBR. Considering what the Qualia weighs (275 lbs). Now that I know that the weight will be 112 lbs, we won't have to buy another TV stand - since it took me almost a year to decide on the one we have now and its only 6 months old. I didn't want to spend another $500+ in addition to this new TV.

By the way, the JVC HD-61FH96 is listed on 2 sites on shopping.com for between $5900 and $6700 and they claim they have them in stock. The SXRD's are coming in much lower and that is at MSRP $3999 and $4999 respectively. Considering the price, picture and weight, this is the one we're going to go for.

Keep the info coming. :)

Steve, thanks for the update. Any info. if these sets accept a 1080p signal? Or is that something you can't divulge right now.

Steve (SKINDING),

This is just a curious type question, so NO big deal. From the pics you've seen of the SXRD, is the gap between the frame, and the speakers, pretty big (like a 60" XS series I saw at CC, can't remember the model number), or is it (relatively) small like the Qualia? Thanks.

Since info on these SXRD models is so spread out in this thread, here's a recap based on everyone's comments so far. Based on my sources, this information should be correct, but you can never be 100% sure until you open the box.

50" KDS-R50XBR1 MSRP: $3999
60" KDS-R60XBR1 MSRP: $4999

Features:
- non-detachable side speakers (15 watts x 2)



Went to the Sony store in NYC today. They claim SXRD will come in early 2006. They also were frank that the speakers on the XS955 were universally disliked. So let's hope the SXRD have a different design. And, let's hope for a 70" because anything smaller really doesn't work as a Home Theater.

Looked at the Qualia 6 -- very nice, but had a glassy look if there was any light in the room. Then looked at an XBR 70" and liked the screen much better. But it was painfully clear the resolution was much lower. Then looked at the XS955 60" and the 55" A10. Both had better detail than the XBR, but the A10 had a very noisey pix.

The A20-60 comes at the end of August, but without the IRIS.

No wonder Sony is losing money. None of them really meets my needs. Why not a simple series of HDTVs with the same features, but at different sizes?

Now if they were to really discount the XBR 70" then it would be a reasonablr deal. But, Sony still wants $7000!

Now if they were to really discount the XBR 70" then it would be a reasonablr deal. But, Sony still wants $7000!
My local Best Buy has them on clearance for $5500.

My local Best Buy has them on clearance for $5500.

Magnolia in Torrance has a incredible price on the 60XBR960 that was next to the Qualia 3,499.00

Went to the Sony store in NYC today. They claim SXRD will come in early 2006. They also were frank that the speakers on the XS955 were universally disliked. So let's hope the SXRD have a different design. And, let's hope for a 70" because anything smaller really doesn't work as a Home Theater.

Looked at the Qualia 6 -- very nice, but had a glassy look if there was any light in the room. Then looked at an XBR 70" and liked the screen much better. But it was painfully clear the resolution was much lower. Then looked at the XS955 60" and the 55" A10. Both had better detail than the XBR, but the A10 had a very noisey pix.

The A20-60 comes at the end of August, but without the IRIS.

No wonder Sony is losing money. None of them really meets my needs. Why not a simple series of HDTVs with the same features, but at different sizes?

Now if they were to really discount the XBR 70" then it would be a reasonablr deal. But, Sony still wants $7000!

I don't know if you have been reading this thread, but the SXRD's will have the same case as the XS955, if you look at the specs given for the 60 inch SXRD it is exactly the same as the current 60XS955. The SXRD's will be out at the end of September.

Steve (SKINDING),

This is just a curious type question, so NO big deal. From the pics you've seen of the SXRD, is the gap between the frame, and the speakers, pretty big (like a 60" XS series I saw at CC, can't remember the model number), or is it (relatively) small like the Qualia? Thanks.


Tele,

The specs posted for the SXRD 60inch is exactly the same as the current XS955, I would be shocked if the TV's don't look identical as far as the frame goes.

Steve, thanks so much for the information. We were waiting to hear more information on the 60 inch SXRD but I was fearful that the weight of this would be approx 175 lbs - much like the XBR. Considering what the Qualia weighs (275 lbs). Now that I know that the weight will be 112 lbs, we won't have to buy another TV stand - since it took me almost a year to decide on the one we have now and its only 6 months old. I didn't want to spend another $500+ in addition to this new TV.

By the way, the JVC HD-61FH96 is listed on 2 sites on shopping.com for between $5900 and $6700 and they claim they have them in stock. The SXRD's are coming in much lower and that is at MSRP $3999 and $4999 respectively. Considering the price, picture and weight, this is the one we're going to go for.

Keep the info coming. :)

DTV City shows the JVC HD-61FH96 to be avalible in Sept. at $3599.--a 1080P set without the wings

Roy

I don't know if you have been reading this thread, but the SXRD's will have the same case as the XS955, if you look at the specs given for the 60 inch SXRD it is exactly the same as the current 60XS955. The SXRD's will be out at the end of September.
Unless you know otherwise, this is still speculation. Other than Skindig Steve, where have you heard/read this? It was only speculated that the new SXRDs would share the same case as the XS series, but they don't make a 50" XS and there's a 50" SXRD on the horizon, so which case would they share? There's plenty of hypothesizing and speculating here on this thread as we're all very eager and anticipating any new information, but other than Skindig Steve's posts, we don't even have model numbers yet. It's still curious that the original model numbers yield at least a few Google results (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2003-34%2CGGLD%3Aen&q=KDS-R60A10&btnG=Search) but those given by Steve yield none (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-34,GGLD:en&q=KDS%2DR60XBR1)...? I'm not trying to be difficult here, but there still is a lot of concrete information yet to be had on these sets.

Jason

:( Unless you know otherwise, this is still speculation. Other than Skindig Steve, where have you heard/read this? It was only speculated that the new SXRDs would share the same case as the XS series, but they don't make a 50" XS and there's a 50" SXRD on the horizon, so which case would they share? There's plenty of hypothesizing and speculating here on this thread as we're all very eager and anticipating any new information, but other than Skindig Steve's posts, we don't even have model numbers yet. It's still curious that the original model numbers yield at least a few Google results (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2003-34%2CGGLD%3Aen&q=KDS-R60A10&btnG=Search) but those given by Steve yield none (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-34,GGLD:en&q=KDS%2DR60XBR1)...? I'm not trying to be difficult here, but there still is a lot of concrete information yet to be had on these sets.

Jason

Being a little difficult is ok until we know for sure --I don't want it to be true either.

Roy

Unless you know otherwise, this is still speculation. Other than Skindig Steve, where have you heard/read this? It was only speculated that the new SXRDs would share the same case as the XS series, but they don't make a 50" XS and there's a 50" SXRD on the horizon, so which case would they share? There's plenty of hypothesizing and speculating here on this thread as we're all very eager and anticipating any new information, but other than Skindig Steve's posts, we don't even have model numbers yet. It's still curious that the original model numbers yield at least a few Google results (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2003-34%2CGGLD%3Aen&q=KDS-R60A10&btnG=Search) but those given by Steve yield none (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-34,GGLD:en&q=KDS%2DR60XBR1)...? I'm not trying to be difficult here, but there still is a lot of concrete information yet to be had on these sets.

Jason

if the guy that is writing the specs and pictures for Crutchfield post that the sets look like the current XS955 sets then gives us specs that match the exact same dimensions as the 60XS955. You also might of caught the article about Sony stating the best thing about the SXRD's is that they can still use the assembly line that the LCD's were on and all they had to change was the chips and engine, then we have overwhelming evidence that these sets coming out will look like the XS955 sets. Even know we don't want that, it looks like it will be the case. Ah nevermind I guess I just speculating :cool:

Unless you know otherwise, this is still speculation. Other than Skindig Steve, where have you heard/read this? It was only speculated that the new SXRDs would share the same case as the XS series, but they don't make a 50" XS and there's a 50" SXRD on the horizon, so which case would they share? There's plenty of hypothesizing and speculating here on this thread as we're all very eager and anticipating any new information, but other than Skindig Steve's posts, we don't even have model numbers yet. It's still curious that the original model numbers yield at least a few Google results but those given by Steve yield none.... I'm not trying to be difficult here, but there still is a lot of concrete information yet to be had on these sets.

JasonSo are you saying it's possible that:

A) skindig is posting bogus information.
From our position (consumers) it is difficult to confirm the specifications noted without corroborating evidence from other sources.

B) skindig (steve) does not truly work for Crutchfield as a technical writer.
There is a Steve Kindig that is a technical writer for Crutchfield you can find several articles by searching on google for the name "Steve Kindig". Here's one for example:
http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/S-vblgRySMzRH/reviews/20040727/samsung_dlp.html

C) that this person posting the information is not truly Steve Kindig who works for Crutchfield
Well the best way to confirm this would be to email him directly at Crutchfield.com and ask if he has been posting on AVSforum. I don't know his email but I'd recommend trying skindig@crutchfield.com or skindig@CrutchfieldAdvisor.com if you need.

Personally I think your being a little too suspicious here. If you need to feel better about it try emailing the guy. As Steve noted in his post nothing is concrete until the box is opened. When Lew Black was offering us the first nibbles of info about the SXRD sets he said upfront that his specs were preliminary. Heck, Sony hadn't even started hiring employees to manufacture them.

On a lighter note. Forget the black helicopters and let's embrace the second coming of Dumbo and enjoy the new sets. Fortunately for me, I love the look of the XS series and will order a 60" SXRD set in the XS case the first day I can.

One could equally say that about watching many of the movies you may have watched...Star Wars, Batman, Lord of the Rings, etc.

I suppose there must be many other adults like myself engaged in absurd behaviour.

The video game industry made $10 billion last year (http://www.123webguru.com/website_design_news/hollywoodu524.html) which is around the same as the movie industry. Now why say something is absurd when it may be pushing advances in the technology that we all, including you, enjoy.

Personally, I would like a 1080p set. Why should it be an issue if someone wants to know if these sets accept a 1920x1080/60Hz signal? It's a simple question I would like an answer to as it will influence my purchase decision. I really don't care how many others feel like myself or not. I respect everyone's usage desires.

And, if you know about production equipment capabilities, give me some model numbers. Let me look it up. Are these pieces of production equipment upgradeable, etc? Why make speculation w/o facts?

Trying to argue about who is making the right predictions about this stuff is futile; probably much like my comments here. ;)

Sean

I think it is a pity he does not have any kid left in him...

Unless you know otherwise, this is still speculation. Other than Skindig Steve, where have you heard/read this? It was only speculated that the new SXRDs would share the same case as the XS series, but they don't make a 50" XS and there's a 50" SXRD on the horizon, so which case would they share? There's plenty of hypothesizing and speculating here on this thread as we're all very eager and anticipating any new information, but other than Skindig Steve's posts, we don't even have model numbers yet. It's still curious that the original model numbers yield at least a few Google results (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2003-34%2CGGLD%3Aen&q=KDS-R60A10&btnG=Search) but those given by Steve yield none (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-34,GGLD:en&q=KDS%2DR60XBR1)...? I'm not trying to be difficult here, but there still is a lot of concrete information yet to be had on these sets.

Jason
Are you sure your not still smarting a little from your post, #695 when you had to apoligize to skindig for posting erroneous information, "Hmmmm"

the black helicopters

The helicopters are dark green. They only appear black at night which you would know if you had ever seen one :)

Don

The helicopters are dark green. They only appear black at night which you would know if you had ever seen one :)

DonIt must be the chip in base of my skull that showed up un the last x-ray. Homeland security mind control. :eek:


;)

Did a forum search, AND VARIOUS wording search for, 'illuminated Sony logo,' but could not find my answer. Does the 60XS955 have the illuminated Sony logo below the screen, like the Qualia? I HOPE! not (well, UNLESS you can turn it off). Trying to figure out if there will be the illumi. Sony logo on the SXRD.

Thanks - Matthew.

DTV City shows the JVC HD-61FH96 to be avalible in Sept. at $3599.--a 1080P set without the wings

Roy
It is interesting that there is not much interest in the JVC HD-61FH96 on this web site. In my mind the choice is between the 61" JVC Dila and the 60" Sony SXRD. That probably is unbelievable for some of the big Sony fans here but I have not seen either one and they may be close enough in PQ for me- especially since it appears that the Sony will have Dumbo ears. Everything being equal, I would probably go for the Sony since my current RPTV is an 53" XBR, but they are not equal and I want the largest screen for minimum width. I strongly considered last year's JVC but held off due to some features that were missing. I still believe that the JVC Dila does a better job with SD content than any other digital micro-displays I have seen and there is still a lot of SD content out there. Most of the DMDs do a excellent to unbelievable job with HD at this point.

Just my $.02

ptwat:

Looks like the JVC 61FH96 is currently pre-selling at about a 30% savings over the 60" SXRD's unpublished list price of $4999. I had just about decided to bite on the JVC pre-order when I came across information in this thread that indicated Sony’s SXRD might support 1080p input. Now I have decided to wait until there is some published specifications on the SXRD sets. I prefer the sleek JVC Cabinet style with minimal width and am not too fond of the possible speaker configuration of the new Sony but the prospect of a better picture would win me over. In the end it will be one of these two sets!

Are you sure your not still smarting a little from your post, #695 when you had to apoligize to skindig for posting erroneous information, "Hmmmm"
Give me a break...:rolleyes: I simply made a mistake and admitted it. Christ, grow up.

And as far as the black helicopters go, I'm not being paranoid or an Oliver Stone conspiracy theorist...I don't really care what the new sets look like on the outside, I'm more concerned about the picture. Do I like the possibility of side speakers? No. Are they going to be a dealbreaker? Again, no. I'm very excited about these new sets and the only purpose of my previous post that everybody had jumped all over was that the information we have so far hasn't been confirmed by Sony, nobody has seen a picture of the new sets, and we don't have enough info to really "flesh-in" what these TVs are going to really be (1080p inputs, XBR line, et al). I'm not trying to be a frickin' naysayer...I'm as eager as the next guy. My only point was that there's still plenty to find out about the SXRDs.

Let's lighten up...:)

Jason

I'm very excited about these new sets and the only purpose of my previous post that everybody had jumped all over was that the information we have so far hasn't been confirmed by Sony, nobody has seen a picture of the new sets, and we don't have enough info to really "flesh-in" what these TVs are going to really be (1080p inputs, XBR line, et al). I'm not trying to be a frickin' naysayer...I'm as eager as the next guy. My only point was that there's still plenty to find out about the SXRDs.

Let's lighten up...:)

JasonYou can't expect much from us. We're like a bunch of kids waiting for a candy store to open and one of us got a free jelly bean. Now we want to know about every flavor. Some start describing what they will taste like without every having one before.

I totally agree with you, how folks get excited and start making assumptions based on their own expectations. Oh the drama! :D

Fortunately we don't have to worry about crowd control.

Give me a break...:rolleyes: I simply made a mistake and admitted it. Christ, grow up.

And as far as the black helicopters go, I'm not being paranoid or an Oliver Stone conspiracy theorist...I don't really care what the new sets look like on the outside, I'm more concerned about the picture. Do I like the possibility of side speakers? No. Are they going to be a dealbreaker? Again, no. I'm very excited about these new sets and the only purpose of my previous post that everybody had jumped all over was that the information we have so far hasn't been confirmed by Sony, nobody has seen a picture of the new sets, and we don't have enough info to really "flesh-in" what these TVs are going to really be (1080p inputs, XBR line, et al). I'm not trying to be a frickin' naysayer...I'm as eager as the next guy. My only point was that there's still plenty to find out about the SXRDs.

Let's lighten up...:)

Jason
Hey Jason, I am all grown up, I,m not the one posting conspiracy theories. If you don,t believe Skindigs credentials why don,t you simply do what Uninvited Guest told you to do and Email him at Cructhfields and find out for sure if he is who he says he is.

Do we know if the JVC 61FH96 will support 1080p input through HDMI?

I can't believe all the people here who believe in conspiracy theories!

I can't believe all the people here who believe in conspiracy theories!It's gotta be true.... I saw it on the internet.

Hey Jason, I am all grown up, I,m not the one posting conspiracy theories. If you don,t believe Skindigs credentials why don,t you simply do what Uninvited Guest told you to do and Email him at Cructhfields and find out for sure if he is who he says he is.
I never said that I doubted Skindig Steve's credentials...I'm not sure where you're getting that. In fact, as you stated, I apologized to him for mis-stating that Crutchfield had posted an incorrect spec (which I believe I would only do if I believed he actually works for Crutchfield)...it was Amazon.com that posted the wrong information and I corrected my mistake. No harm done...except apparently as far as you're concerned. Additionally, I don't know why you think I'm posting conspiracy theories...I'm actually saying that "we don't know a whole lot." You need to get your facts straight and find someone else to volley pointless potshots at...

Jason

Do we know if the JVC 61FH96 will support 1080p input through HDMI?Not yet. Besides that though I don't believe the JVCs have any type of dynamic iris. That will most likely make a considerable difference in terms of contrast ratio and black level.

Do we know if the JVC 61FH96 will support 1080p input through HDMI?

JVC has indicated they will support up to a 1080i input on the new 1080p sets, and then added that from what they (one individual) understood the competition wasn't going to be offering 1080p inputs either.

I first took the comment (The competition bit) as a sarcastic reasoning for not giving me the answer I wanted to here. For a short while I even had feelings of guilt for my expectations… But then I had read speculation that the Sony SXRD might include the 1080p input.

Could the SXRD be the "competition"?

Why would Sony lead the competition into thinking no 1080p inputs on the SXRD? :rolleyes:

But then again, it could just as well be that neither of the new 1080p sets have 1080p inputs. :(

There has been no official set of full/final specifications posted on either of the two manufacturers web sites (as of July) that I’m aware of.

Anyone else care to speculate?

Can someone explain to me what the big deal will be if these TV's only accept 1080i?
Will the TV's deinterlace them before displaying an image?
And if not, will I really be able to notice a difference?

(this all assuming there will be enough 1080p sources to even make it worth
worrying about)

Can someone explain to me what the big deal will be if these TV's only accept 1080i?
They accept 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i.

Will the TV's deinterlace them before displaying an image?
And if not, will I really be able to notice a difference?
All inputs are converted to 1080p in the TV.

(this all assuming there will be enough 1080p sources to even make it worth
worrying about)
There are no 1080p inputs other than computers at this time.

Can someone explain to me what the big deal will be if these TV's only accept 1080i?

To some it might be a bigger deal than others. Without the ability to accept the displays native resolution as an input, the TV's PQ will always be limited to the quality of it's built in de-interlacer/scaler(among other things). Sony may capitalize on this fact if JVC doesn't have the 1080p input, but If JVC delivers 1080p inputs and Sony doesn't, I would believe the JVC coupled with a external de-interlacer/scaler might deliver the superior picture. If neither of the sets offer 1080p inputs then the decision to choose between the two would likely be more dependant on other performance comparisons.

Will the TV's deinterlace them before displaying an image?
And if not, will I really be able to notice a difference?

The 1080p SXRD and D-ILA sets (without 1080p inputs) would de-interlace all interlaced inputs to 1080p.

(this all assuming there will be enough 1080p sources to even make it worth worrying about)

There are two disadvantage of a TV not being able to accept it's native resolution as an input.

1) Internal de-interlacing/scaler dependency.
2) In the event we do eventually get 1080p sources it is likely that the 1080p sets (which lack the native input capability) would do what the majority of 720p sets do when they get a higher resolution signal than they are capable of displaying.... a loss of half the higher resolution scaled back up to the sets native resolution 720p/1080p.

If someone dumped out half my beer and topped it off with water I'm pretty sure I'd notice…..

But here again it's all a matter of taste.

I was hoping the new sets had the XBR plastic Shield.. Sounds like they wont be XBRs.... :mad:

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2) In the event we do eventually get 1080p sources it is likely that the 1080p sets (which lack the native input capability) would do what the majority of 720p sets do when they get a higher resolution signal than they are capable of displaying.... a loss of half the higher resolution scaled back up to the sets native resolution 720p/1080p.

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The 720p analogy is misplaced. In this instance the sets would not be capable of receiving the 1080p signal. The external source would have to provide the set with a format that it could accept. This leads me to believe that you may still be able to take advantage of an external processor by having it do its magic and provide a 1080i signal to the 1080p set that doesn't accept 1080p. Then, the set simply has to get from 1080i to 1080p.

I haven't heard any discussion of this anywhere, but I have yet to see any deinterlacing issues with the native 1080p sets (well, actually, I have to limit my observation to the Qualia 006) when they are fed a 1080i source.

…you may still be able to take advantage of an external processor by having it do its magic and provide a 1080i signal to the 1080p set that doesn't accept 1080p.

The reasoning for the use of an External Processors would be it's ability to outperform most internal processors in the Interlaced to Progressive transition, to include proper cadence detection. If you were to decide to use an external processor (with a no 1080p input HDTV) you might get a better result setting the External Processor for a 720-progressive output so that the TV’s internal de-interlacer and cadence detection wouldn’t have to interfere. It would then just be a matter of scaling to the native resolution of the set (1080p).

If the TV were left to handle the last interlaced-to-progressive transition, you would be defeating one of the core reasons of having the External Processor in the first place.

So if neither of the new native 1080p sets have the ability to accept the native 1080p input, I doubt any would justify the expense of using external video processing equipment.

This would leave the overall PQ between the two sets up to each respective manufacture’s capabilities in the separate areas of Display and Video Processing technologies.

IMO: The Sony SXRD might well have the edge if this ends up being the case. Which is why I could see a reason for a JVC surprise.

I guess it may be to the advantage of the HDTV manufacturers to control the final Interlacing-to-progressive transition by keeping it In-The-Set. This would force the consumer into a selection of a HDTV based on it’s stronger capabilities, whatever they might be, at somewhat the expense of also having to accept it’s weaker traits.

The more diversified/opinionated the better, but only to their (all in one) controlled extent! Besides, the majority of consumers will have the likes of BB and CC to tell them what to look for anyway.

Maybe it’s just another first-generation (1080p) thing that can be remedied by this spring, by waiting on the second-generation 1080p sets. While it might be easier for those that already own 720p sets to convince themselves to wait for 1080p native input sets, those of us that are poised to make an investment now, to get into the HDTV scene, would be doing so with the knowledge that we might be investing in our own obsolescence for the sake of the manufacturer’s justification of a second generation of 1080p RP sets. By holding out on the native inputs until next year they could market the RP products to be a much less expensive alternative to the SED/FED technology.

Then again the question might be, who stands to gain the most from being the first to offer 1080p native input now.

Given the SXRD and JVC 1080p choice, I would choose the Sony if they offered the 1080p input but only if JVC didn’t. If neither offered 1080p input then I would still lean towards the Sony.

If JVC has anticipated the competition’s edge (as I have) they might surprise Sony with the 1080p input capability as a feature to be expected MIA on the new SXRD.

If 1080p inputs are a surprise on both sets I might lean towards the less expensive set so I could more easily afford the external video processor.

So in my eyes (IMO) JVC has the most to gain by the inclusion of the 1080p input over Sony deciding to or not.

It will be awhile (if ever) before the HDTV manufacturers will include as good a video processing package as can be had from current external processors. The exception might be the likes of Sony’s Qualia line but you’ll likely pay at least twice that of what you could expect to invest on a comparable separate Display and Video Processing set up. It would also cost you more, inevitably, to upgrade and you would be depending on the All-In-One-Spare-No-Cost product’s ability to stay at the top of the game(s) in each respective category of PQ, else a complete replacement which I’m certain they would be happy to supply.

Interesting is Sony’s decision not to have included the 1080p input capability on the Qualia RP SXRD.

Does/Did Sony include 1080p input on front projection products?

If so, I guess the competition may have encouraged it’s inclusion more in that FP market than the RP market or it would have been on the Qualia RP SXRD.

We can hope that the same competition will encourage inclusion of it in the RP market as well.

Does/Did Sony include 1080p input on front projection products?

They just came out with a $3000 upgrade to do just that

Roy

Silly question, but there's a very good reason for it...
I know that in certain ways HDMI inputs are limited to 1080i, but what about the HDMI outputs on some high end video cards, and the inputs on some monitors? I'm about to buy an HDMI monitor, and I was thinking about some of what was said on this foorium....conversely, the HDMI website states that HDMI is theoretically capable of data transfer in excess of that required for a 1080p60 signal (although I understand that it is the HDMI input that limits this in reality)
SOOOOOOOO....what gives?

Here's a sneak peak on a print ad that will debut in August.

*Edit*

There is another part of this ad that I don't have, right above the TV there is a little toy color wheel sticking up. And it says something to the effect of why reinvent the wheel. They seem to be mocking DLP.

Looks pretty frickin' awesome! Who'd you have to kill to get a hold of that? :D It looks like the screen sits pretty high in regards to the base...maybe it's time to modify the TV stand plans...

Jason

Silly question, but there's a very good reason for it...
I know that in certain ways HDMI inputs are limited to 1080i, but what about the HDMI outputs on some high end video cards, and the inputs on some monitors? I'm about to buy an HDMI monitor, and I was thinking about some of what was said on this foorium....conversely, the HDMI website states that HDMI is theoretically capable of data transfer in excess of that required for a 1080p60 signal (although I understand that it is the HDMI input that limits this in reality)
SOOOOOOOO....what gives?

HDMI inputs are not limited to 1080i. I believe all HDMI transceivers sold to date can handle 1080i. And the newer receivers can handle it easily.

Here's a sneak peak on a print ad that will debut in August.

I fear that ad will mislead people into expecting a flat panel.

But I'm execited that Sony is gearing up ads for what will doubtless be a killer product.

Here's a sneak peak on a print ad that will debut in August.

I may be completely off here, but having worked in the video game industry for over 15 years, I've seen more than a few mock-up pics of future hardware to think that this is not the actual set or a real print ad.

I just don't see Sony taking a shot at DLP technology by including the "Zero Wheels" comment in the ad. Sony generally has more class than that. Besides, how many consumers outside these forums will even know what "Zero wheels" is in reference to? There are other aspects of the ad design that seem odd, like the fact that you really have to study the ad for a moment to make out what the object is they are trying to sell.

I would like to get Skingdig's impression of the ad and whether or not the set pictured in it matches up with what he's seen.

Looks pretty frickin' awesome! Who'd you have to kill to get a hold of that? :D It looks like the screen sits pretty high in regards to the base...maybe it's time to modify the TV stand plans...

Jason


Looks like the XS to me... Wasent that a deal breaker for you :cool:

Here's a sneak peak on a print ad that will debut in August.

Even though it is at an angle if you look closely you can see it is a exact copy of the Sony LCD XS as we were told it would be. :(

Roy

Now let's hope it's an XBR! Keep yer fingers crossed....

Looks like the XS to me... Wasent that a deal breaker for you :cool:
No...I said that I wasn't crazy about the XS series' wings. It was never a dealbreaker, in fact I was ready to buy the XS before my dealer told me that Sony would be releasing SXRDs before the end of the year. Crossing my fingers, I've decided to wait to see what the SXRDs hold. It's unfortunate that they, too, have the winged speakers, but that will by no means be a dealbreaker.

Jason

Here's a sneak peak on a print ad that will debut in August.
So it appears that Dumbo ears will rule the day...

Here's a sneak peak on a print ad that will debut in August.
Sony and others should learn to debut new products like the auto industry.

Months before the sale of the new Cayman S, Porsche has shown their pre-production car to auto journalists who dutifully ooh and ahh about the car in "exclusive" articles. Pictures and specs are available on their website. It generates buzz. Porsche doesn't seem worried about cannibalizing sales from the 911, no Osborn effect.

In the same way, Sony should wine and dine the press, bring them in to see some demos so they can write glowing reviews, release a few exclusive photos. With high ticket items people will wait to see the next best thing.

I may be completely off here, but having worked in the video game industry for over 15 years, I've seen more than a few mock-up pics of future hardware to think that this is not the actual set or a real print ad.

I just don't see Sony taking a shot at DLP technology by including the "Zero Wheels" comment in the ad. Sony generally has more class than that. Besides, how many consumers outside these forums will even know what "Zero wheels" is in reference to? There are other aspects of the ad design that seem odd, like the fact that you really have to study the ad for a moment to make out what the object is they are trying to sell.

I would like to get Skingdig's impression of the ad and whether or not the set pictured in it matches up with what he's seen.

Sorry, there is another part of this ad which I could not get my hands on. Directly above this picture is a little toy color wheel, and some words talking about reinventing the wheel. It's kind of mocking DLP.