jcc39=my hero :D

Thanks!

I just don't see Sony taking a shot at DLP technology by including the "Zero Wheels" comment in the ad. Sony generally has more class than that. Besides, how many consumers outside these forums will even know what "Zero wheels" is in reference to? There are other aspects of the ad design that seem odd, like the fact that you really have to study the ad for a moment to make out what the object is they are trying to sell. They're already doing it on Sony's 3LCD information page at the link below. I think they have realized it's time for them to get tough against DLP.

SonyStyle Link (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_ViewStatic-Start?page=static%2farticles%2f3lcd%2eisml)

Away With the Rainbow
Another problem commonly associated with single-chip DLP televisions is color breaking, or the "rainbow effect". This happens because the red, blue, and green colors used to make a color picture don't arrive on the screen at the same time. Since 3LCD televisions and projectors create three full-time red, green, and blue images which are precisely combined and projected all at once, there is no rainbow effect. Also, the possibility of eye strain is reduced.

Televisions that use single-chip devices such as DLP sometimes have a much lower native resolution than 720p. How do they display HD video with a ower native resolution? They do this with something called "wobulation". They simulate the true 720p HD experience by creating virtual pixels, which "fool the eye" into seeing pixels that don't physically exist in the native resolution of the panel. Sony's 3LCD televisions are true 720p HD televisions that render a real High Definition picture.

No...I said that I wasn't crazy about the XS series' wings. It was never a dealbreaker, in fact I was ready to buy the XS before my dealer told me that Sony would be releasing SXRDs before the end of the year. Crossing my fingers, I've decided to wait to see what the SXRDs hold. It's unfortunate that they, too, have the winged speakers, but that will by no means be a dealbreaker.

JasonDo you know who you may buy one from? A local dealer or national chain?

Since were getting closer I need to start shopping who has the better extended warranty.

Do you know who you may buy one from? A local dealer or national chain?

Since were getting closer I need to start shopping who has the better extended warranty.
I'll buy from my local dealer. I'll probably spend a bit more than I would if I purchased online or through a chain, but he gives me a pretty good price and I'm willing to spend it to get the benefits of B&M. I've purchased all of my Denon gear through him for a good price and they carry the entire Sony line, the whole Mits line, and they also have a Qualia for comparison purposes, so I'm able to see a fairly good gamut side-by-side on their floor. I'm unimpressed with what I've seen from Samsung, I haven't really shopped JVC, and quite frankly I've been very happy with all of the Sony video-based gear that I've owned including our current front PJ, so the Sony is at the top of the list. However, as I've posted, I'll reserve final judgment until I actually see the set. :)

BTW, their warranty is not in-house, so I've got to look more closely into that. I think it'll fall somewhere between $250-300, but I need to find out exactly what/how it covers.

Jason

I'm wondering if we'll hear something on August 15th. I noticed on the Sony Style website that they're having a big sale on the current TV's that ends on the 15th. Makes me wonder if they're trying to clear away some old inventory before they release the new products.

I just did a little checking and found the KDF-60XS955 is out of stock at: vanns.com, J and R, goodguys.com, onecall, crutchfield and Abt. Best Buy and Circuit City still have them in stock. I called Vanns and the rep informed me that it is indeed a discontinued model. He didn't have the KDS-R60XBR1 in his system though. Sounds like the SXRD sets are poised to replace the XS series soon.

I'm guessing we might here something from Sony in the next week or two like hahler2 noted.

The first SXRDs aren't supposed to arrive until October. That's a long time gap to leave between models, but maybe they're counting on the A20s filling the gap til October. It would be nice to think the SXRDs could arrive ahead of schedule to fill the gap. I think that would be very wishful thinking, but I'd love to be proven wrong.

That's interesting that the XS is out of stock at so many places...this is definitely getting exciting. :) Has there been any info as far as the screen on the new SXRDs? One thing that I really like about the XS is the very non-reflective screen (which put Mits out of the running). We've got a very bright room and the last thing I want to look at is myself! :D

Jason

I was in the SonyStyle store in here in NYC yesterday and they told me that these new units were coming out end of Oct.

He also said Sony is going to stop making plasmas b/c they are too expensive to make.

DUM-BO! DUM-BO! DUM-BO!

Thanks for the picture jcc39. Now I have new wallpaper for my pc.

All I want for Christmas is Dumbo.

That's interesting that the XS is out of stock at so many places...this is definitely getting exciting. :) Has there been any info as far as the screen on the new SXRDs? One thing that I really like about the XS is the very non-reflective screen (which put Mits out of the running). We've got a very bright room and the last thing I want to look at is myself! :D

JasonFrom the pic jcc39 posted I'd say they are the same as the XS. I was hoping they might look more like the XBR950 series, but like you, we have a lot of windows and the XS style matt screen is better for us.

Yeh, thanks for the picture JCC39.

JASON,

Thanks for mentioning that the XS has a matte screen. I didn't know the XS had that. I don't see why anyone would want a glass screen (IMO). Even if you don't have a lot of windows.

EVERYONE,

Man if October is really the release date [for the 60"], as oppose to what I've been reading lately in this thread about it coming out in September, I don't know if I can wait that long. :) There's just one thing I'm DYING! to know, and that is the 1080 input/HDMI ssue. Oh STEVE (SKINDIG) oh steve. where art thou Steve (haven't seen you on here in a while). I wonder if STEVE is feeling like Duke [the dog] from Bush's Baked Beans. Wanting to spill the beans, but (just) can't. :D

Thanks.

JASON,

Thanks for mentioning that the XS has a matte screen. I didn't know the XS had that. I don't see why anyone would want a glass screen (IMO). Even if you don't have a lot of windows.
The XBR line was touted as having a superior picture, in part because of its layered glass screen, but the trade-off is the reflections. The XS, while maybe not displaying as accurate or "sharp/clear" a picture, makes up for it with its non-reflective screen. We've got a wall of windows that face west and we get late afternoon and early evening light streaming in like it's going out of style, so a non-reflective screen is a must. I really liked the Mits sets until I realized that I was looking at myself...:(

Jason

Silly question, but there's a very good reason for it...
I know that in certain ways HDMI inputs are limited to 1080i, but what about the HDMI outputs on some high end video cards, and the inputs on some monitors? I'm about to buy an HDMI monitor, and I was thinking about some of what was said on this foorium....conversely, the HDMI website states that HDMI is theoretically capable of data transfer in excess of that required for a 1080p60 signal (although I understand that it is the HDMI input that limits this in reality)
SOOOOOOOO....what gives?


Just wanted to make the point that PC video adapters do not have HDMI outputs. They use DVI. However, you can buy a passive DVI->HDMI adapter.

Sean

The screen is a concern for me. One of my biggest issues with all microdisplays is SSE, and I've been hoping that the new SXRDs will have a minimal amount of SSE, comparable to what the current Qualia has. The XS has a lot of SSE. I don't know how much of the Qualia's improved SSE performance was due to it's screen, but I'm a bit worried that if the SXRD uses the same screen as the XS, then it will still have all that SSE. I'd take a glass screen with little or no SSE over a matte screen with as much SSE as the XS. At least reflections can be controlled; SSE can't.

Hopefully it won't have to be a trade-off...maybe we'll get lucky and the SXRDs will have a matte screen and won't exhibit much as far as SSE goes. I hadn't really noticed much SSE with the XS line, but my viewing was limited to a showroom floor and just a handful of visits. For us, our lighting conditions really can't be controlled because my wife doesn't want to cover up our 18' high wall of windows...besides, we'd be looking at upwards of $2K to do so :eek:

Let's keep our fingers crossed that we luck out in both departments...

Jason

That's what I'm hoping too. Best of both worlds. I guess we'll know in 2-3 months.

we'd be looking at upwards of $2K to do so :eek:$2.95 :D
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EMPIREofONE,

Thanks for mentioning SSE. That's what I thought was kind of funny on Samsung DLP (IMO). I'm not just saying it to agree w/ you, but your right I would rather have a GLASS screen than a matte screen. At least you can control reflections.

Yeh guys, here's hoping to the best of both worlds.

JASON,

When you say $2k to cover up your windows, do you mean per/ea. window? How many 18' windows do you have in this room?

$2.95 :D
Yeah, and another $1997.05 for the divorce attorney! :D:D

When you say $2k to cover up your windows, do you mean per/ea. window? How many 18' windows do you have in this room?
No, that's for all the windows. Here's a pic taken at 3:45 pm...check out the sunlight!

Jason

Is it physically, and fincially (sp?) possible to have the 60" SXRD have all three 1080p chips (24fps, 30fps, 60fps), and still have it come in at a $4,999 MSRP? Would anyone would be so kind to answer to this (even if its just a simple yes or no)? Thanks.

HOLY MOLY! Jason. :eek: That's A LOT of sunlight. You weren't kidding.

I like how your dog managed to get in the snapshot/picture. It seems like people's (the person taking the picture) dog(s) always seems to find their way in the photo. :D That's how it was w/ my dog. Even if it was just her tail (LOL).

Wow Jason, that's a gorgeous room! Unfortunately it's a reflection nightmare. :(

Couldn't find my answer with searches (forum/Google). Does SSE give a screen a glossy look? Thanks.

I would say SSE makes things look more shimmery than glossy. Almost like very very small pieces of glitter that make scenes of uniform light colors appear to have a sparkle.

Jason, with that much unabated light entering the room, even the matte finish screens will have unbearable reflections/glare (probably way more glare). I personally would find the washed out picture resulting from the glare way more distracting then the reflections (usually if you are focused on viewing the set you sort of "look past" the reflections and not notice them).

I have a similar room with a wall-o-windows about 18-20' high. We call it our living room and don't have a TV in there :D

BTW, would the TV be on the opposing wall, facing the windows, or on a side wall/corner?

Our current TV is on a side wall adjacent to the windows. We already get a lot of light in there late afternoon and early evening. I'd like to try to do something to control the light, but it must meet the ever-critical WAF. :D She definitely doesn't want anything covering the upper "transom" windows, but she might go for something over the lower set of windows. I'm trying to convince her to let me install a low-profile remote-controlled shade that I could mount behind a piece of crown molding at the top of the wall, but it's a matter of finding something tasteful and un-industrial looking. I like some of the solar shade materials that are out there, that you can see through fairly unobstructed but that block upwards of 90% of the light from entering the room, but again, it's going to be tricky to try to find something that looks nice.

Funny about the dog...he does manage to sneak into all the pictures! :D He's a ham...

Jason

Our current TV is on a side wall adjacent to the windows. We already get a lot of light in there late afternoon and early evening. I'd like to try to do something to control the light, but it must meet the ever-critical WAF. :D She definitely doesn't want anything covering the upper "transom" windows, but she might go for something over the lower set of windows. I'm trying to convince her to let me install a low-profile remote-controlled shade that I could mount behind a piece of crown molding at the top of the wall, but it's a matter of finding something tasteful and un-industrial looking. I like some of the solar shade materials that are out there, that you can see through fairly unobstructed but that block upwards of 90% of the light from entering the room, but again, it's going to be tricky to try to find something that looks nice.

Funny about the dog...he does manage to sneak into all the pictures! :D He's a ham...

Jason

Two words...electrochromic tint!

With the introduction of the A10 LCD series it seemed Sony was changing to a better form factor. The 50" SXRD would be interesting but Dumbo speakers make it too wide - I'm limited to 49". Looks like I'll either be looking at the Samsung 5078 (50" screen - 46" w cabinent) or a smaller screen.

Why don't you muster all the other whiners and start a Dumbotron thread?

I come to this thread for SXRD info and not to read about Samsung, JVC, Mitsubishi, yada yada. You don't like the look of a TV that isn't even officially announced by Sony then cry somewhere else.

Wow...tell us how you really feel...:D

Jason

If you don't like the speakers...fine.

But why go on to say JVC or Samsung or whoever is doing it right so it 'looks like I'll be going that route instead'. It does nothing for this thread.

If you don't like the speakers...fine.

But why go on to say JVC or Samsung or whoever is doing it right so it 'looks like I'll be going that route instead'. It does nothing for this thread.

It's simply just people expressing their frustration. Everyone here is excited about the new SXRD technology, and for those that share the problem of not being able to squeeze an extra 10 inches of TV width into their space, it is helpful to know the alternatives. In the end, it is easy enough to skim over the posts until you get to one that suits your needs isn't it?

It's simply just people expressing their frustration. Everyone here is excited about the new SXRD technology, and for those that share the problem of not being able to squeeze an extra 10 inches of TV width into their space, it is helpful to know the alternatives. In the end, it is easy enough to skim over the posts until you get to one that suits your needs isn't it?

Well said.

No fair! Qualians get to pre-order the SXRD sets :mad: ;)

Linkity link link (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5974356&&#post5974356)

At least they say they are shipping in September :D

The funniest thing is people buy a TV not based on picture quailty but based on cabinet design.

No fair! Qualians get to pre-order the SXRD sets :mad: ;)

Linkity link link (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5974356&&#post5974356)

At least they say they are shipping in September :D


Lets see, 70" for $13K and 60" for $5K. That should go over well. :rolleyes:

The funniest thing is people buy a TV not based on picture quailty but based on cabinet design.
People are buying TV(s) based on lots more than PQ- I/Os, percieved technicalogical advantages/disadvantages, cabinet design, sound/speakers, reflective/non-reflective screens, color, price, etc...
Everyone is expressing their opinions based on what appeals to them or not. Some think that maybe even the manufacturers troll these forums to get feedback on their products. What is the sensitivity to criticizing cabinet design?

The funniest thing is people buy a TV not based on picture quailty but based on cabinet design.

Some people actually buy a TV based on BOTH of these factors, as well as others mentioned by ptwat above.

Some simply cannot fit the TV in their niche with the speakers on the sides etc etc etc

The funniest thing is people buy a TV not based on picture quailty but based on cabinet design.
For somebody that has an entertainment center of built-in wall unit, unfortunately cabinet size (not design) has to be a dealbreaker. Fortunately, we're not in that situation, but I certainly sympathize with all the hopeful SXRD shoppers that have had to cross these sets off their lists because of (especially) width limitations. I think it's a mistake for Sony to continue to manufacture these sets with these massive speakers on the sides that aren't removable because it's going to cost them a decent number of sales. FWIW, nobody's complaining about the color of these sets or the "floating screen" look, other than the fact that it includes the side speakers.

Jason

No fair! Qualians get to pre-order the SXRD sets :mad: ;)

Linkity link link (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5974356&&#post5974356)

At least they say they are shipping in September :D
But what a riot that they're telling the "Qualians" (disdainful term) that the same technology that went into their TV is available for about 1/3 the cost...DOH!

"Sony has incorporated its award-winning technology, like SXRD which boasts exceptional picture quality, into unbelievable lower price points."

If I owned a Qualia (which I'd be happy to do! :D ), and if I paid near msrp for it (which I know a lot of owners did), I'd be fairly pissed at this point. Do you really think that Qualia owners are looking for a new TV? Maybe a 50" or 60" for the bedroom or the study...?

Jason

These sets should have virtually no SSE SDE its all the same imo....

These sets should have virtually no SSE SDE its all the same imo....
What exactly are you saying?...that you "hope" that these sets should have virtually no SSE SDE...I think that's probably a consensus around here...or do you have knowledge of such...Furthermore, to claim that SSE and SDE are the same is just simply ignorant. Anyone that has seen the shimmering of SSE and the pixelation of SDE would certainly argue that they are not one in the same.

Hopefully I'm misinterpreting your comment...

Jason

Just because the new sxrds share the same case and probably screen dont mean it will have SSE like the current lcds.... I dont think its ignorant to think SDE and SSE are the same....Why dont dlps have SSE? It couldnt be the much better fill factor could it? Hmm... Is it sonys inferior lenticular screens they use? I doubt it...

Sxrds have better fill factor than dlps... You will see less SDE than the best DLPS...
THE SSE term seems to me someone arguing that they cant see SDE at certain distances so it must be something else... Ill bet the farm there wont be SSE,SDE. not just hoping. Its technology facts, that sxrd, lcos, fill factor is better than anything available..

I like some of the solar shade materials that are out there, that you can see through fairly unobstructed but that block upwards of 90% of the light from entering the room, but again, it's going to be tricky to try to find something that looks nice.



Jason[/QUOTE]


I live in FL and have used the solar tint. It works wonders on heat and will protect your furniture from sun damage also. It will dim your room considerably, but not too much. It will however kill all your plants if you have them in that room. The strongest stuff blocks almost all the UV. Its also very economical. I can almost guarantee it will eliminate any glare problems you have.

The stuff is sold at home depot and such down here for about $30 a roll. Buy some and tape it to your windows to see how it works for you.... I mean the Misses.

The Qualia line, in my opinion, is equivalent to a "flagship" line. Just like the Denon 5805, the Yamaha RX-Z9, etc., it represents a line of devices that incorporate the latest and greatest all in one unit, no-holds barred.

We already know that the mass-market SXRD chips are smaller (that alone is usually a significant cost savings); we seem to have indications that the mass-market SXRD sets will make use of an already existing production line and quite possibly already existing cabinet/shell designs...optics, inputs/outputs, etc., can all be different...you get the picture, there is no free lunch.

Then of course, there will be those that will crucify the "first wavers" of the mass-market SXRD sets since the price will undoubtedly lower as time goes on so why are you buying these new sets...

Pointless to take jabs at Qualia owners...and yes, I AM a Qualia 006 owner (albeit not a "first waver") and no I did not pay MSRP (closer to the originally announced MSRP of $10K), but I didn't buy from the Sony Qualia store. I have been enjoying my set for many months now whereas I could have been waiting and waiting for the new Samsung 1080p sets, the - what was til now - rumored lower priced Sony SXRDs, etc.

Dang it... so where's the $6K 70"? Cuz that's what I really want... :-)

In regards to the screen on the SXRD, if they made it glass, can't they put that non-reflective dark purplish (sp?)/blackish non-relfective/glare coating on the screen? They use this coating on the Philips 34" (9819), and I believe the Sony 910 AND 960. This stuff works wonders. It virtually eliminates reflections.

The funniest thing is people buy a TV not based on picture quailty but based on cabinet design.

Well, the best picture in the world isn't much if the tv won't fit in the space you need to put it. I say make the tv's as narrow as possible, or at least provide removable speakers. That would certainly maximimize sales, plus people would tend to buy the next larger size which would certainly enhance profits for Sony.

In regards to the screen on the SXRD, if they made it glass, can't they put that non-reflective dark purplish (sp?)/blackish non-relfective/glare coating on the screen? They use this coating on the Philips 34" (9819), and I believe the Sony 910 AND 960. This stuff works wonders. It virtually eliminates reflections.

I'm sure this has been said before but I'll repeat it, the screen is as it is because it serves a function in the performance of the system...i.e., it is part of the PQ you get out of the SXRD technology the way that Sony has designed it...if they went to a screen as so many are wishing for, the PQ would suffer...it is part of the design.

Dang it... so where's the $6K 70"? Cuz that's what I really want... :-)


Same here Daniel.

I think it'll come down to this. Sony will drop the price of the Qualia 006 to make it more competitive with the other 70" sets that are coming out. To what level, who knows, but I seriously doubt that there would not still be a price difference of at least a couple of thousand. A non Qualia SXRD will show up late next year.

Since I have a 60" set that I'm fairly happy with, my debate is whether to go over to the dark side and buy some other brand of set or wait it out for a Sony. Even then, there's no guarantees that it won't have some new quirk. :rolleyes:

Since I have a 60" set that I'm fairly happy with, my debate is whether to go over to the dark side and buy some other brand of set or wait it out for a Sony. Even then, there's no guarantees that it won't have some new quirk. :rolleyes:

JimP,

What you do mean by some new quirk? Thanks - Matthew.

JimP,

What you do mean by some new quirk? Thanks - Matthew.


I probably could have worded that better.

What I was trying to convey is that with every new set or technology, you take the chance of something being wrong with it and then having to suffer through getting it fixed. The 70" non qualia will likely be an all new set and as such are more likely to have some quirk with it that wouldn't happen with a 2nd or 3rd generation set.

But what a riot that they're telling the "Qualians" (disdainful term) that the same technology that went into their TV is available for about 1/3 the cost...DOH!

"Sony has incorporated its award-winning technology, like SXRD which boasts exceptional picture quality, into unbelievable lower price points."

If I owned a Qualia (which I'd be happy to do! :D ), and if I paid near msrp for it (which I know a lot of owners did), I'd be fairly pissed at this point. Do you really think that Qualia owners are looking for a new TV? Maybe a 50" or 60" for the bedroom or the study...?

Jason

I don't think any Qualia owner has any legitimate beef there. That's the price of being an early adopter. They knew they were paying a premium price to get one of the first, and at it's time best (and perhaps still the best) 1080p RPTVs. They knew that a lot of new 1080p models would be going on sale within a year and that they could save a lot of money by waiting and they chose to buy anyway. They weren't misled or deceived; if they felt the TV was worth $13K when it first came out, and it lived up to their expectations, then it should still be worth $13K to them. If I'd had $13K for a TV, I would've bought one, and I wouldn't be regretting it now, I'd just be enjoying my set.

It is odd to be marketing a 50" and 60" version of a TV to people who already own the 70" version though. Also, the email only mentions that they can pre-order it; it doesn't say anything about them getting theirs early.

I think the REALLY BIG NEWS though (if it's true) is the September shipping date. That's a full month early for the 60", 2 months early for the 50". I'm surprised more people haven't picked up on that.

I think the REALLY BIG NEWS though (if it's true) is the September shipping date. That's a full month early for the 60", 2 months early for the 50". I'm surprised more people haven't picked up on that.I like the idea but don't want to get my hopes too much higher. There up there already.

I'm really surprised we haven't seen anything official from Sony yet. :confused:

Yeah, I don't know how reliable that source is. I don't even know what a Cierge is. Is that like a concierge? Would they even know about shipping dates? She had the model numbers and such so I assume the info was taken from somewhere (hopefully) official.

Just because the new sxrds share the same case and probably screen dont mean it will have SSE like the current lcds.... I dont think its ignorant to think SDE and SSE are the same....Why dont dlps have SSE? It couldnt be the much better fill factor could it? Hmm... Is it sonys inferior lenticular screens they use? I doubt it...

Sxrds have better fill factor than dlps... You will see less SDE than the best DLPS...
THE SSE term seems to me someone arguing that they cant see SDE at certain distances so it must be something else... Ill bet the farm there wont be SSE,SDE. not just hoping. Its technology facts, that sxrd, lcos, fill factor is better than anything available..

DLPs DO have SSE. At least, every one I've seen has had it. You are confusing SDE and SSE. They're two completely different things. SDE occurs when you can see the separation between the individual pixels, this is affected by fill factor and distance from the screen. SSE is the sparkly quality the screen takes on in areas of bright white or light colors. Distance and fill factor don't affect it. Every microdisplay I've seen has had SSE to some extent, including JVC's LCOS and the Qualia, though the Qualia had the least of it of any MD.

Yeah, I don't know how reliable that source is. I don't even know what a Cierge is. Is that like a concierge? Would they even know about shipping dates? She had the model numbers and such so I assume the info was taken from somewhere (hopefully) official.Gwinnett TV (http://www.gwinnetttv.com/video/tvs/bigscreen_tvs/video_tvs_bigscreen.htm) also has them both listed as September. I called and the salesman doesn't have any other information. Nothing concrete. He said he could probably sell it to me for MSRP including shipping. I asked him to call me when he knows more.

The above link (gwinnetttv.com) does advertise the TV as being 1080p. Anyone have any ideas if it will have 1080p inputs?

Ken

It is odd to be marketing a 50" and 60" version of a TV to people who already own the 70" version though. Also, the email only mentions that they can pre-order it; it doesn't say anything about them getting theirs early.

Odd, maybe, but not outside the realm of imagination. I imagine that their rationale is something along the lines of the following: Most people who have money enough to purchase bleeding-edge technology at a comparatively inflated price probably have the spending capacity to consider purchasing another such TV a year down the road.

Odd, maybe, but not outside the realm of imagination. I imagine that their rationale is something along the lines of the following: Most people who have money enough to purchase bleeding-edge technology at a comparatively inflated price probably have the spending capacity to consider purchasing another such TV a year down the road.

I agree with you, Steve. There is something else that one might infer from Sony's marketing ploy; the quality of the new SXRD sets. How likely are they to sell an inferior iteration of an established, highly rated product to the owners of that product. It seems, to me, to be a statement of high confidence to sell the set, initially, to consumers for whom an A/B test would be no more difficult than, at most, walking to another room, at home! I believe at least one Q6 owner on this forum has already stated their intention to purchase one of these sets. Does anyone really doubt that that review (along with other Q6 owners who take the 2nd plunge) will be one of the most highly anticipated threads in a very long time?

Please, tell me if I am wrong.

I am thinking that since the SXRD is 1080P, the set will show 1080I telecasts at 1080P or, at least and more likely, at 1080I. 720P telecasts will be scaled up to 1080I and in an unlikely scenario to 1080P.

Can a knowledgeable person set me straight on this?

Also, since sports, etc. may be better at 720P than 1080I, will you be able to keep the display at 720P for best viewing?


(Actually, I'm pretty certain that the 1080P only means that it will accept a 1080P input, but will not display at 1080P without a 1080P source. On the other hand, a set that will accept a 1080P source should be able to accept and display a 1080I source. Further, the set shouldn't force sports into an inferior display mode of 1080I.)

I am very interested to get the correct information on this.

"I am thinking that since the SXRD is 1080P, the set will show 1080I telecasts at 1080P or, at least and more likely, at 1080I."

The set can never, ever display 1080i.

It has to upscale and / or deinterlace every single source to 1080p.

That doesn't mean, however, that any input needs to take 1080.[

I'd just like to mention that I called the SonyStyle store in NY and was told they do in fact have the 50" and 60" sets coming in the fall but that they hadn't received ANY model numbers yet regarding the SXRD displays.

I asked about the possibility of ordering the 60" version and was told I could not because they didn't have any information on the set except that they are coming. I was told to call back in September when they expected to have more information.

Take it for what it's worth.

It is not surprising that they would offer pre-ordering to their existing Qualia 006 customers. Those that purchased through Sony were assigned Cierges (aka Concierges) to help them through their ordering and delivery process. They have all of the initial purchasers contact information and they know they are already interested in SXRD based TVs.

This also provides an additional level of service to their super premium brand customers and this adds to the Qualia experience.

It is not surprising that they would offer pre-ordering to their existing Qualia 006 customers. Those that purchased through Sony were assigned Cierges (aka Concierges) to help them through their ordering and delivery process. They have all of the initial purchasers contact information and they know they are already interested in SXRD based TVs.

This also provides an additional level of service to their super premium brand customers and this adds to the Qualia experience.

Are they making this same offer to Qualia 004 projector owners?

The reason I ask is because I know someone with a Qualia 004 who could probably order the 60 inch set for me. :cool:

Ok, according to rogo, 1080I will be scaled up to and displayed as 1080P on the SXRD. Question: Why do we need a 1080P broadcast / cable source if the 1080I (and 720P?) will be displayed at 1080P?

Does anyone else care to share their knowledge? Seems to me that this should be a fairly significant matter for HDTV enthusiasts.

Ok, according to rogo, 1080I will be scaled up to and displayed as 1080P on the SXRD. Question: Why do we need a 1080P broadcast / cable source if the 1080I (and 720P?) will be displayed at 1080P?Because material that's natively 1080p ought to look better than material that's upscaled/deinterlaced to 1080p.

Ok, according to rogo, 1080I will be scaled up to and displayed as 1080P on the SXRD. Question: Why do we need a 1080P broadcast / cable source if the 1080I (and 720P?) will be displayed at 1080P?

Does anyone else care to share their knowledge? Seems to me that this should be a fairly significant matter for HDTV enthusiasts.

Because its usually better to feed your display it's native resolution, not to mention that having a source that is true 1080p is better than taking another resolution and upconverting/deinterlacing it.

Ya beat me Adam!

Because its usually better to feed your display it's native resolution, not to mention that having a source that is true 1080p is better than taking another resolution and upconverting/deinterlacing it.

Are the fields of 1080i offset in time? Could it be that the cameras scan both fields of the frame simultaneously, mitigating the need for any complex deinterlacing?

Paul

Rumor has it (a sony rep at Siggraph told me this)...

...Both Qualia and non qualia SXRD televisions are able to take completely uncompressed 1920x1080p signals from a single digital cable (i.e. not dual DVI or anything silly like the 30" cinema display). Native 1080p support on DVI and HDMI is a non-issue. I was so boggled I forgot to ask about ananlog support of 1080p material, like component.

Ok, according to rogo, 1080I will be scaled up to and displayed as 1080P on the SXRD. Question: Why do we need a 1080P broadcast / cable source if the 1080I (and 720P?) will be displayed at 1080P?

Does anyone else care to share their knowledge? Seems to me that this should be a fairly significant matter for HDTV enthusiasts.

Hi Stan,

The information at the following link helped me understand the differences of interlaced and progressive sources. The article was written with DVD outputs in mind but the same de-interlacing principles apply.

With a better understanding of the differences between interlaced and progressive signals you can apply the information to your Broadcast/Cable TV questions.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_7_4/dvd-benchmark-part-5-progressive-10-2000.html


Right now the big question (with the 1080p sets due to be released in September) is if the 1080p sets will allow 1080p inputs. This is not only for future broadcast sources (anticipated in the more distant future) but also for enthusiasts that may want to use a separate external video processor (deinterlacer/scaler) instead of using the one built into the TV.

Without the ability to feed a 1080p set its Native Resolution directly you would be relying on the tv’s ability to do the de-interlacing from the lower resolution to 1080p internally. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing, the de-interlacing and scaling capabilities on sets has become a very important factor of the overall PQ.

I'd just like to mention that I called the SonyStyle store in NY and was told they do in fact have the 50" and 60" sets coming in the fall but that they hadn't received ANY model numbers yet regarding the SXRD displays.

I asked about the possibility of ordering the 60" version and was told I could not because they didn't have any information on the set except that they are coming. I was told to call back in September when they expected to have more information.

Take it for what it's worth.

You should be aware that the qualia people and the regular Sony people at the nyc store are separate so I wouldn't be surprised if they had different info or even different abilities to preorder. The info posted by kaduku would be very reliable.

From what I have learned here, SXRD owners will be watching 720P and 1080I at a scaled - up 1080P. Now, the 1080P would be a little better if it was actually broadcast in 1080P, but the result should be much better than what you would see on a 720P or 1080I set.

This makes me very happy that I have been waiting for a development in the LCOS technology. Does it mean, however, that videophiles with 720P and 1080I sets are going to be tearing their hair out because they don't have 1080P?

This makes me very happy that I have been waiting for a development in the LCOS technology. Does it mean, however, that videophiles with 720P and 1080I sets are going to be tearing their hair out because they don't have 1080P?

Depends on the quality of scaling/deinterlacing.

Are they making this same offer to Qualia 004 projector owners?

The reason I ask is because I know someone with a Qualia 004 who could probably order the 60 inch set for me. :cool:

Before we know it the Qualians will set up a nice little business pre-ordering the SXRD sets for us unwashed for a small fee. :)

Anyway, if the rumor that the SXRDs will support 1080p is true I am getting one, even though the Dumbo speakers will score very low on WAF.

From what I have learned here, SXRD owners will be watching 720P and 1080I at a scaled - up 1080P. Now, the 1080P would be a little better if it was actually broadcast in 1080P, but the result should be much better than what you would see on a 720P or 1080I set.


Stan,

There are no 1080i sets. as defined: "sets that display 1080i natively"

HDTV's display progressively; either 720p or 1080p

(Correction: Of course CRT Based rear and front projection HDTV’s would be excluded from the previous two statements)

Some Native displaying 720p sets will accept a 1080i source, but would convert it to 720p. (loosing resolution)

Does it mean, however, that videophiles with 720P and 1080I sets are going to be tearing their hair out because they don't have 1080P?

This is still yet to be compared much on <$5000 sets. Depending on the size of your screen and the distance you sit from it, you might not be able to tell the difference between a good 720p set and a 1st generation 1080p set. A 720p source may display better on a 720p set than a 1080p set if that 1080p set doesn't do a good job with de-interlacing and scaling.

At Sigraph today in Los Angeles the Sony booth had a 70" sxrd setup showing off a blu-ray demo reel. My god was that beautiful. I can only assume it was the Qualia 006 but I had a hard time telling since most places dont have images with the speakers attached. This had wings with a clear bezel seperating the tv from the wings themself, so Q006?

After seeing this is action I can really say I'm glad I put off a tv purchase to wait for the mainstream sxrd. It was just an extremely impressive display, and on a show floor no less which is hardly ideal tv viewing conditions.

Stan,There are no 1080i sets. as defined: "sets that display 1080i natively"
HDTV's display progressively; either 720p or 1080p


Oh really???

There are no 1080i sets. as defined: "sets that display 1080i natively"That's funny -- I was just watching my 1080i HDTV a couple of minutes ago.

CRT-based HDTVs do display material in 1080i.

That's funny -- I was just watching my 1080i HDTV a couple of minutes ago.

CRT-based HDTVs do display material in 1080i.

Its 720p the 7 in. CRTs have a problem with. They do great with 1080i
since this only takes two passes of 540 to create the image...

Makes you think what Sony pays its engineers/designers for, if they cant figure out something as simple as most people buying this class of TV are not going to want attached speakers!!!!

Also, whats with the silver? It was cool when the first Wegas came out, but now it is just plain getting old -- I want my all black back! Silver just looks cheap now, especially with all the koreans/chinese making silver electronics now. You know Sony USED to make beautiful stuff -- Hire some new designers or steal some from your Plasma line! End of rant.

Amen to the kill the silver idea. I saw a Hitachi LCD projection today and it was all black and looked really classy...not like a spaceship that just landed. I am sick of silver too, and also pissed that Sony is putting the wide speaker wings on these promising new TV's ...UGH! :mad:

"There are no 1080i sets. as defined: "sets that display 1080i natively"

Yes there are. They are called CRT RPTVs. They are the largest-selling category of RPTVs.

4k Display:
Adam Tyner:
Rogo:

I was in a Fixed display mode of mind, LCOS,D-ILA Etc. Etc.

It was wrong of me to forget about CRT Rear Projection and make such a broad statment. Please forgive me.

A correction has been made to the original post noting CRT’s as being an exception.

"There are no 1080i sets. as defined: "sets that display 1080i natively"

Yes there are. They are called CRT RPTVs. They are the largest-selling category of RPTVs.

Shouldn't this say "were" the largest selling category of RPTV's? When was the last time you saw a CRT RPTV at a big box, and better yet, what mainstream manufacturer is producing CRT RPTVs?

For the purposes of this discussion 1080p4me's original comment "there are no 1080i sets" should have included the digital or fixed-pixel descriptor, but was accurate considering the context of his reply. The 1080i CRT owners are tearing their hair out for other reasons. Okay, the horse is noooow... DEAD.

I hate the speakers also, but does anyone know if the new SXRD 50 & 60 will have the adjustable iris that is in their new projector and in the A10 series? According to the CNET review this feature does improve the black level. Does the Qualia have the iris feature?

At Sigraph today in Los Angeles the Sony booth had a 70" sxrd setup showing off a blu-ray demo reel. My god was that beautiful. I can only assume it was the Qualia 006 but I had a hard time telling since most places dont have images with the speakers attached. This had wings with a clear bezel seperating the tv from the wings themself, so Q006?

After seeing this is action I can really say I'm glad I put off a tv purchase to wait for the mainstream sxrd. It was just an extremely impressive display, and on a show floor no less which is hardly ideal tv viewing conditions.

Since the Qualia is the only current or upcoming 70" SXRD, I think it's safe to assume that was it. Did it have the little glowing blue Sony logo beneath the screen?

Nice thread guys. A couple of observations, FWIW.

1. I own a Qualia 006 and will buy the 50 SXRD for another room, even with Dumbo ears. Nobody contacted me; they didn't have to, I was already on the scene, thanks to AVS.

2. The blue Sony logo can be turned off for viewing. When you turn the set on or off, it glows and then goes dark.

3. The lack of a 1080P input does concern me. I posted in the Q6 owners thread about this and was surprised at the lack of response. Joe Kane (no video slouch, he) wrote a letter to Widescreen Review clarifying the Q6-1080P input issue. Both he and editor Gary Reber opined that it was ironic Sony would not have this feature in its statement piece. Especially with PS3 apparently 1080P, much less HD DVD whatever, and to a lesser extent maybe broadcasting some day. My understanding is that Blu-Ray is 1080I, because of the demos, etc.

I hope Sony will include a 1080P input on the new 50/60 SXRD models and provide an upgrade (like the Q004 has) that is reasonably priced for existing first generation Q6s.

BTW, anyone within shouting distance of Central Florida can message me if they would like to the see my Q6.

Nice thread guys. A couple of observations, FWIW.

1. I own a Qualia 006 and will buy the 50 SXRD for another room, even with Dumbo ears. Nobody contacted me; they didn't have to, I was already on the scene, thanks to AVS.

Welcome the the thread sophie.

Have you placed an order for the 50" yet? I am curious what Sony is commiting to for delivery dates.

Thanks.

Shouldn't this say "were" the largest selling category of RPTV's? When was the last time you saw a CRT RPTV at a big box, and better yet, what mainstream manufacturer is producing CRT RPTVs?

For the purposes of this discussion 1080p4me's original comment "there are no 1080i sets" should have included the digital or fixed-pixel descriptor, but was accurate considering the context of his reply. The 1080i CRT owners are tearing their hair out for other reasons. Okay, the horse is noooow... DEAD.

Both Toshiba, RCA, Samsung and Sony (among others) are still producing CRT RPTVs. Both Best Buy and Circuit City carry them in this area, along with sets from Mitsubishi.

Hey everybody, look for the 50" and 60" Grand Wega SXRDs on the Crutchfield website tomorrow.

Steve

Hey everybody, look for the 50" and 60" Grand Wega SXRDs on the Crutchfield website tomorrow.

Steve

Thanks Steve!
Hope it has features listed :)

Hey everybody, look for the 50" and 60" Grand Wega SXRDs on the Crutchfield website tomorrow.

SteveThanks!

Do you know why no "fan fare" from Sony on this?

This was a funny (and expected) experience at Best Buy earlier today. I stopped in to pick up a couple of CDs and decided to head back to the TV dept to see if they had either of the new A series LCD RPTVs yet and I got the typical salesman response. I asked if they had the A10s yet, and he said no, but that the only difference between them and last year's models was that the A10s have 3 LCDs which improves black levels! What a laugh! I just walked away shaking my head...

Great news about SXRD at Crutchfield tomorrow...Thanks for the heads-up, Steve!

Jason

Since the Qualia is the only current or upcoming 70" SXRD, I think it's safe to assume that was it. Did it have the little glowing blue Sony logo beneath the screen?

Yea I finally found a good image of the Qualia and that was what I saw. Still though, seeing it run blu-ray was just incredible. Cant wait for tomorrow and some real info on the sxrd's for the 'masses'. That 60" has my name all over it.

I checked the Sony Store (for Sony employees) and its still not listed yet, but they never get things early so not a shock. Heck they only work 10-3 as is. :p

Hey everybody, look for the 50" and 60" Grand Wega SXRDs on the Crutchfield website tomorrow.

Steve So is this a definiteive statement that the SXRDs will not be classified as the new XBR RPTV models?

Hey everybody, look for the 50" and 60" Grand Wega SXRDs on the Crutchfield website tomorrow.

Steve

[Stunned Voice] Hey, STEVEEEE. You weren't kidding when you told me to hang in a little :D longer. This is trippy guys. I JUST got up from a nap, while I was just sitting down in front of my computer to check-out the SXRD thread, thinking it was Friday, said to myself I wonder if the SXRD is going to be up on the Crutchfield site tomorrow; NO joke. :) BTW STEVE, thanks for putting up w/ me. ;)

-- Matthew

Nice thread guys. A couple of observations, FWIW.

2. The blue Sony logo can be turned off for viewing. When you turn the set on or off, it glows and then goes dark.

3. .............

I hope Sony will include a 1080P input on the new 50/60 SXRD models and provide an upgrade (like the Q004 has) that is reasonably priced for existing first generation Q6s.

Hi SOPHIE,

Thanks for the info about the illuminated Sony logo. That's what I read (I BELIEVE) in the Sound & Vision Review of the Q.

And in regards to subject #3, everything you said in that "post" is a GREAT! idea.

BTW, what does FWIW stand for?

Thanx - Matthew.

BTW, what does FWIW stand for?



FWIW = For What its Worth

http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/f/fwiw.htm

(Google is your friend) :)

FWIW = For What its Worth

http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/f/fwiw.htm

(Google is your friend) :)


Thanks George. Never thought to Google these abbreviations. :) So use to just asking the poster what it/they stood for. BTW, just found out what AFAIK stands for (LOL). Thanks again.

:confused: Hmmmmm. Where is everybody (LOL) ' . ' Kind of quiet in here (SXRD thread). I guess when the SXRD hits the Crutchfield site tomorrow, this place will be ah ROCKIN'! :)

Does anybody know whether the adjustable iris feature will be included in the new 50" and 60" SXRD ? Is it in the Qualia?

Does anybody know whether the adjustable iris feature will be included in the new 50" and 60" SXRD ? Is it in the Qualia?

Not in the current generation Qualia 06 but the SXRDs will have an adjustable
IRIS.

Does anybody know whether the adjustable iris feature will be included in the new 50" and 60" SXRD ? Is it in the Qualia?

It is in the Qualia although my observations lead me to believe that it is not fully "dynamic" in that when engaged it seems to close the iris a predetermined amount and leaves it at that aperture...i could be wrong but i usually only hear it opening/closing when first disengaging/engaging and not during viewing although that may just be a result of it only making much smaller adjustments during viewing as opposed to the large adjustment it first makes when engagin/disengaging.

Does anybody know whether the adjustable iris feature will be included in the new 50" and 60" SXRD?

This was mentioned in Steve's recent update to the 50/60 SXRD specs.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5956815#post5956815

As you may have gathered from some comments about the A10 Grand Wegas, there are two parts to Cinema Black Pro. First, there's a global iris adjustment with, I think 4 positions, that's designed to compensate for various lighting conditions in your room. The separate Advanced Iris "dynamic iris" option is one of several video adjustments that are only available in the "Pro" picture mode.

Does anybody know whether the adjustable iris feature will be included in the new 50" and 60" SXRD ? Is it in the Qualia?


No dynamic iris in the Qualia, the new SXRD's will have the dynamic iris that is in the new LCD's and was first seen in the front projection HS51 model.

Having the SXRDs posted on Crutchfields website makes me think that they are coming a lot sooner than we think -- what do you guys think? I don't mean to create rumors and speculate, but Crutchfield only added the A10 a few weeks ago....

Steve can you hook us up?! :D

and photos. ;)

[..... and Features]

Too bad I don't have internet access at work. Well I do, but I would never access it at work, ESPECIALLY for the company I work for. I guess I'll have to wait until I get back home from work.

This is exciting I cant wait 'til tomorrow. Does crutchfield update their site at midnight :D

This is exciting I cant wait 'til tomorrow. Does crutchfield update their site at midnight :D

SlickVik,

That's what I was going to ask too. :D All NIGHT ("day") when I'm at work, all I be thinking about is if the SXRD is going to have a 1080p input [and if so at what frames per second - curiousity].

Does crutchfield update their site at midnight?

Actually, I don't know exactly what time it's updated, but those models should definitely be visible by 6:00 AM EDT.

Steve

Steve,

Will it answer all the major questions about this set?

1080p60 or better HDMI inputs?
Sets true native resolution 1080p??Hz
Process used for Deinterlacing and Upscaling?
etc, etc, etc...

thanks!

J.T.

The big question... will I be able to place an order for the 60"? :cool:

or is this a preview showcasing the new models?

Okay, I can't stop drooling thinking about these sets tomorrow...:D Just like a kid in a candy store, only much more expensive and not as bad for your teeth...

I'll certainly be checkin' that 'ish at midnight! Hope, hope...

Jason

Looks like there is a picture of Steve on the home page of Crutchfield! He's holding what looks like a V-Series Sony frame :D

Good news, hopefully we will get some new specs from the Crutchfield website.

Poll- Just out of curiosity, which model are people interested in on here? The 50" or the 60"? I'm between both. My viewing distance in my family room will be about 9.5 ft. Is that too close for the 60"?

Thanks,

Ken (anxiously awaiting specs from crutchfield website!)

Definitely the 60"...I wish they were coming out with a 70" sometime soon because I'd shell out the Danish Blue for that bad boy! :D But I just can't wait any longer...

BTW, 9.5 feet is probably right on the border as far as viewing distances go. I'd suggest going to your local A/V shop or big-box-store and checking out the 50" and the 60" at that distance and seeing what you prefer. You could probably get away with a 50", but it really stinks to wish you had spent the extra Gorgonzola on a larger set...:D To quote the Butthole Surfers (once again)..."It's better to regret something you have done, than to regret something you haven't done." Or to quote Christian Slater in "True Romance"..."Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it." Wiser words were (probably) never spoken. And to quote Dirty Harry in his many countless cinematic ventures, "A man has to know his limitations."

Mixed messages, I know, but prophetic nonetheless...:D

Jason

I would also go for the 60" & I have about 10ft.
BTW, where at Crutchfield.com the new SXRD 50"/60" will be??
I know it will be there tomorrow only, but there is not a line about it, at least where I've searched in the site. (maybe I'm a bit anxious!!).
Any idea where it will be??
Thanks.

Poll- Just out of curiosity, which model are people interested in on here? The 50" or the 60"? I'm between both. My viewing distance in my family room will be about 9.5 ft. Is that too close for the 60"?

Thanks,

Ken (anxiously awaiting specs from crutchfield website!)

No, that isn't too close for the 60 inch set, especially since it is a 1080p set without SDE.

[QUOTE=spkerguy] My viewing distance in my family room will be about 9.5 ft. Is that too close for the 60"?
QUOTE]

There is an excellent distance calculator at the following link:

http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html

I have a 70 inch about 9 feet away, and wish I had a 100 inch.

It starts looking a lot smaller after the first few weeks.

It starts looking a lot smaller after the first few weeks.
That's what she said...:D

Just kidding, but I agree about screen size...we've got a front projector in the same room as our CRT and we try to watch as much as we can on a 12' diagonal instead of the 35" diagonal of out TV. We sit about 11 1/2 feet away and there's no way it's too big. It's always better to come out of pocket a bit more an err on the side of "grow into" than to skimp on the size.

Jason (anxious)

[QUOTE=spkerguy] My viewing distance in my family room will be about 9.5 ft. Is that too close for the 60"?
QUOTE]

There is an excellent distance calculator at the following link:

http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html

Taste is for sure....the guys that planned the calculator must like to sit in the 5th row at movie theatres. :) There is no way I would want to sit as close to a TV as that thing suggests. I would agree that at 9.5 feet you are boderline on a 60 vs 50 incher, no matter how great the picture may be. Check it out at stores very carefully, and make sure you watch some sports with fast action. Make sure you can swap sizes if you change your mind once you get it home.

That's what she said...:D

Just kidding, but I agree about screen size...we've got a front projector in the same room as our CRT and we try to watch as much as we can on a 12' diagonal instead of the 35" diagonal of out TV. We sit about 11 1/2 feet away and there's no way it's too big. It's always better to come out of pocket a bit more an err on the side of "grow into" than to skimp on the size.

Jason (anxious)

Also guys. remember that the bigger the picture, the poorer the quality. It is just like enlarging a photo excessively. That 12 foot diagonal has to look pretty bad at 11.5 feet distance. SD looks pretty poor on a 60 inch plus tv, and even DVD's don't look great on a 60+ incher. Things will get better when the HD type DVD's arrive, and more programs are HD.

60" or 70" for 9.5ft away would be best.

6 years ago you probably though 32" was HUGE.

60" or 70" for 9.5ft away would be best.

6 years ago you probably though 32" was HUGE.

In the 1970's we thought 25 inch tv's were HUGE HUGE..lol. They really were compared to the typical 19-23 inchers. Still there is no way I would want to view a 60 inch tv at 8 feet. But as said, it is a matter of taste. Just like at the movies, some people run to the front for a seat, and others sit in the rear, even though all the seats are open. Just make sure you check out what works for YOUR taste, BEFORE you plunk down several grand... ;)

That's what she said...:DLook at the Jasonator bringing the funny :D

The mood sure has changed for the better here. Good to see.

Also guys. remember that the bigger the picture, the poorer the quality. It is just like enlarging a photo excessively. That 12 foot diagonal has to look pretty bad at 11.5 feet distance.
Actually, the PQ is pretty god damn impressive! DVD looks great and HD looks awesome...so does XBox! If you get up within 4-5' you notice SDE, but otherwise the picture is great! We have movie night at our house as well as XBox night and we have friends "oohing and aahing" all over the place. It's really quite a great picture.

Jason

Look at the Jasonator bringing the funny :D

The mood sure has changed for the better here. Good to see.
A brutha like J is always in a good mood, unless fools are takin' potshots at his ass. Nobody likes a cap in their ass, much less the Dwarf. I'm amped about these sets, and generally cranked about (my) gear in general and loving it, but I've got little to no patience for jackasses itching for a fight. I was simply making that clear.

Jason (ator) :)

cable card?

[QUOTE=JasonColeman]To quote the Butthole Surfers (once again)..."It's better to regret something you have done, than to regret something you haven't done." Or to quote Christian Slater in "True Romance"..."Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it." Wiser words were (probably) never spoken. And to quote Dirty Harry in his many countless cinematic ventures, "A man has to know his limitations."

"That's what she said..."

"Actually, the PQ is pretty god damn impressive! "


"A brutha like J is always in a good mood, unless fools are takin' potshots at his ass."

" but I've got little to no patience for jackasses itching for a fight. I was simply making that clear."

Brutha are you on the bottle?????? :D :D :D :D :D You be in rare form tonight!!
Jasonator.... I like that...... :p

Have a good one!!!!

Shouldn't this say "were" the largest selling category of RPTV's?

Not if we want to be accurate.

CRT RPTV will outsell LCD and DLP in 2005 in the US.

By next year, CRT will be in 3rd place behind LCD and DLP, which will move up from 2 and 3 to 1 and 2.

But not this year.

Anyone?
Still nothing at Crutchfield!!!
Anyone??

I found them... :p

Do I win a prize? :D

ETA 9/19/05 :eek:

NO 1080P input that I could find... :(

Someone wanna buy me one? :rolleyes:

WOW...First post too...usually a lurker

September 19, 2005 "expected" date:

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-djh3Mgz4Ao4/cgi-bin/Prodview.asp?readmore=true&g=147350&id=essential_info&i=158SR60XBR#Tab

The KDS-R60XBR1 uses the SXRD (Silicon Crystal Reflective Display) projection technology that has made Sony's ultra-exclusive $30,000 Qualia™ 004 front projector and $13,000 Qualia 006 70" rear-projection TV two of the most highly acclaimed video products ever. Now you can experience this stunning picture quality in your home theater for a fraction of that cost.

SXRD is a refined version of LCoS (Liquid Crystal on Silicon) display technology. The KDS-R60XBR1 uses Sony's newest high-definition SXRD image panels, each with 1920 x 1080 pixels — the highest resolution available. SXRD also boasts the highest "pixel density" of any TV available, as well as the tightest between-pixel spacing. The distance from the middle of one pixel to the middle of the next is only about 1/8 the width of a human hair! SXRD images possess jaw-dropping clarity, detail and depth, but the most striking quality is a silky smoothness that creates a more filmlike look.

The KDS-R60XBR1's exceptional color purity is one of the main advantages of using three SXRD image panels (one each for red, green, and blue signals). This 3-chip design ensures rich, radiant, rock-steady color. Sony's innovative Cinema Black Pro "dynamic iris" technology improves contrast and black level by reducing the TV's light output in dark scenes. A circuit continuously samples the brightness content of the video signal and adjusts the iris opening on the fly to deliver the best possible brightness, contrast, and black level.

As you'd expect from a top-performing HDTV, the KDS-R60XBR1 has a versatile array of inputs that will keep your system plugged in now and in the future. Along with two HD-compatible component video inputs, you'll find two pure-digital HDMI inputs, and three i.LINK ports, which permit high-def recording and playback with compatible HD recorders. A standard PC input lets you use this TV as a jumbo-sized computer display, too.

Details:

» High-Definition TV — receives and decodes digital standard-definition and HDTV signals from over-the-air broadcasts (antenna required) and cable TV service (CableCARD™ required)
» widescreen 16:9 aspect ratio
» 3 SXRD panels, 1920 x 1080 pixels each (all signals displayed at 1080p)
» 130°(H) x 60°(V) viewing angle
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No 1080p input [may] be a big bummer. The next gen gaming consoles will look amazing without 1080p inputs. But more to the point - at $5k, how could you say no?

PS: Those side speakers aren't THAT bad.

Take a look at the promotion Sony is offering. These sets qualify. Makes buying one even sweeter :D

This is great news -- looks like Sony is releasing these babies a month earlier than expected -- 2 month for the 50"! Looks like the competition is heating up.

I say bring it on :D

Now to start saving four grand....

September 19, 2005 "expected" date:

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-djh3Mgz4Ao4/cgi-bin/Prodview.asp?readmore=true&g=147350&id=essential_info&i=158SR60XBR#Tab

• 2 HD-compatible component video (accepts 1080i/720p/480p/480i signals)
• 2 HDMI digital audio/video inputs
• 3 i.LINK® (IEEE 1394) ports (2 rear, 1 front)
» PC input: analog RGB (D-Sub 15-pin)
» 2 RF inputs (1 Antenna, 1 Cable)



Does it appear as though they are holding out on indicating the HDMI connected resolution(s) or is it just futile to hope anymore for 1080p inputs?

Very exciting! Looks like Sony only changed the innards, the case looks exactly like the old 60XS995.

Obviously the new set has the SXRD chips and Dynamic Iris, but does the XBR designation indicate any other additional quality improvements over the XS995 level?

Take a look at the promotion Sony is offering. These sets qualify. Makes buying one even sweeter :D
I assume this deal is only through Sony's online store and not other retailers?

Does anyone know the possibility of these sets suffering from the screen door effect? On my old Sony LCD, I can see SDE pretty bad, and would like my next TV to not have this.

I've been a geek for quite some time, but cannot remember the last time I lusted for a piece of equipment like these sets. Due to room constraints, and a wife that I barely talked into a bigger tv I think I see the 50" in my future.

If all goes well, I'll buy one at the end of the year once I know my annual bonus. I'll be graduating with one of my Masters degrees then too, so it'll make a nice graduation present for myself. :)

Thanks to Steve for all the information he provided in this thread. :D

Does anyone know the possibility of these sets suffering from the screen door effect? On my old Sony LCD, I can see SDE pretty bad, and would like my next TV to not have this.
Are you sure you mean Screen Door Effect and not Silk Screen Effect?

If it's anything like the 1080p Qualia, there is virtually no SDE (seeing the actual pixels). On the Qualia, from about one foot away you don't see individual square pixels like on an LCD RPTV, but it is a very fine, smooth, blended together pattern--that's the best way I can describe it. Totally not visible from a few feet away.

On my old Sony, I can see what looks like a small grid on top of my picture. The grid really shows through if an image of clouds are on the screen. Id rather see rainbows than a grid. I know the SXRD wont have rainbows, I was just worried if it would still have a grid like appearance.

I can clearly see SDE on my 60 inch GWIII at my normal viewing distance. When I was checking out the Qualia 006, I could not see any SDE, or pixels even, with my face a few inches from the screen.

I can clearly see SDE on my 60 inch GWIII at my normal viewing distance. When I was checking out the Qualia 006, I could not see any SDE, or pixels even, with my face a few inches from the screen.

Time to put the lcd in the paper hehe.. :)

Does anyone know what the price of a SXRD bulb will be?

Very exciting! Looks like Sony only changed the innards, the case looks exactly like the old 60XS995.

Obviously the new set has the SXRD chips and Dynamic Iris, but does the XBR designation indicate any other additional quality improvements over the XS995 level?It might be my aging memory but I think that same football scene was on the XS set on Crutchfield before. Could be they are close enough to use the same picture if actual product shots are not today.

It might be my aging memory but I think that same football scene was on the XS set on Crutchfield before. Could be they are close enough to use the same picture if actual product shots are not today.

Yea that looks like the prototype xs.... This pic looks better..

well looks like I may be getting one of these instead of the xs if its a month away.

Can't wait

I assume this deal is only through Sony's online store and not other retailers?I would think it will be offered through Sony authorized dealers.

Question for everyone,
Since it looks like the 50" and 60" sonys don't have 1080p inputs, what is it going to do with a 1080p source (new play station, future High def sources)? I would imagine the pq will still be substantially better than the current 3lcd models out today.

Thanks,

ken

Question for everyone,
Since it looks like the 50" and 60" sonys don't have 1080p inputs, what is it going to do with a 1080p source (new play station, future High def sources)? I would imagine the pq will still be substantially better than the current 3lcd models out today.

Thanks,

ken
Well -- technically we're still on the dark about 1080p inputs. All we know is that it won't accept 1080p through component. The HDMI inputs are not detailed on the Crutchfield page, although I would think that if 1080p input via HDMI were officially confirmed, it would be trumpeted rather loudly.

I've still got my hopes up, although they're a bit fainter than they were yesterday... I was figuring that the later these sets were delivered, the more likely they'd be to accept 1080p over HDMI, and now they've turned up a month early instead.

As to the question: if there's no 1080p-over-HDMI, I imagine a 1080p60 signal would simply be rejected completely. The bigger question is whether the inputs would accept 1080p30 or 1080p24, which take the same or less bandwidth as 1080i60.

On my old Sony, I can see what looks like a small grid on top of my picture. The grid really shows through if an image of clouds are on the screen. Id rather see rainbows than a grid. I know the SXRD wont have rainbows, I was just worried if it would still have a grid like appearance. LCD RPTVs have the lowest fill rates of all the digital displays, giving them the most noticable "screen door effect" (SDE).

LCoS RPTVs (which include SXRD and HD-ILA sets) have the highest fill rates. Their images are the closest you can get to seamless (i.e. virtually no SDE) this side of CRT.

The SDE problem isn't with Sony: it's with the technology. You'll see it on every LCD RPTV.

Take a look at the promotion Sony is offering. These sets qualify. Makes buying one even sweeter :D
I can't seem to open your link...is it the same as this? Promo (http://www.advanced-audiovideo.com/promos/julypromo.pdf)

Jason

Just placed an order from Crutchfield and they are offering Sony's financing (I had to ask for it)--their version of it entails 18 months of minimum payments and no interest if entire balance is paid off in 18 months. No tax, no shipping charge, "white glove" setup included in price. I think she said minimum monthly payments are 2.5% ($125 or so) with a "balloon" payment due at the end. Or, I may end up calculating Purchase price / 18 equal payments to avoid that big payment at the end....
Thanks for all the info about the release date and sony financing!
PS I was going to order online, but ended up calling their 800 number since the financing offer involves a separate application...

On my old Sony, I can see what looks like a small grid on top of my picture. The grid really shows through if an image of clouds are on the screen. Id rather see rainbows than a grid. I know the SXRD wont have rainbows, I was just worried if it would still have a grid like appearance.

Lawsb I can attest that LCOS has a very good fill rate. I had several of the Philips Cineos products and they had no screen door effect. They just had some issues with dust bunnies. Very looking forward to these 2 new SXRD sets from Sony.

Thanks to everyone on your replies about the SDE. I am itching to buy the 50.

Another question...the 18 month financing option on Crutchfield...can I get this by using my own personal credit card, or do I have to open another card with Sony/Crutchfield to take advantage?

Time to put the lcd in the paper hehe.. :)

Already have a potential buyer! Seriously thinking of preordering the 60 inch SXRD.

I can't seem to open your link...is it the same as this? Promo (http://www.advanced-audiovideo.com/promos/julypromo.pdf)

Jason Yup: they're the same.

Thanks!

BTW, that sounds like a pretty good deal from Crutchfield with the free delivery, etc. Now if I could only get my local dealer to give it to me tax-free...:D

Jason

Thanks to everyone on your replies about the SDE. I am itching to buy the 50.

Another question...the 18 month financing option on Crutchfield...can I get this by using my own personal credit card, or do I have to open another card with Sony/Crutchfield to take advantage?
You can't get the financing via your personal credit card. It's a whole separate new credit account, so you have to apply and get a card with Sony (via HSBC).

-Terry

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YouHI Oscar
YouI have a technical question on a tv
Youbefore I order
OscarHow can I help?
Youregarding the new sony 60 sxrd
Youcan you confirm if it will accept a 1080p signal over HDMI
OscarSure. I'll take a look. Be right back.
Youthank you
Youif this is the case and it does you can expect a BOAT LOAD of orders
OscarIs this the set you are referring to: http://crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?I=158SR60XBR
Youcorrect
OscarYes, Sony says that one definitely upgrades all signals to 1080. You will get fantastic pictures from that set!
OscarIf you'd like to go on the back order on it, here's a link for it: http://www.crutchfield.com/I-rXYEc000/EmailCart.asp?emType=3&emKey=147829
OscarAnd yes, we are getting a ton of questions and people going on the back order for it.
Yousee here is the question though, Upgrades is one thing but we are all trying to determine if this is in fact capable of accepting a 1080p input via HDMI I.E. Playstation 3 that will have blueray drives
OscarI'll have to check, I don't know if I have that much info on it yet. Be right back.
Youlots of sets claiming 1080p but they are not infact truly capable of accepting a 1080p signal only converting to 1080i
Youso if you can answer that magical question you will be my hero for the day :)
OscarFrom the preliminary info we have from Sony, it says it has 2 HD-compatible component video (accepts 1080i/720p/480p/480i signals). Unfortunately 1080p is not one of them. We will have more info when we get the TV in stock in mid Sept.

If they were to accept 1080P thru HDMI they would of advertised it in big bold letters...I am starting to feel nothing this year will.

If they were to accept 1080P thru HDMI they would of advertised it in big bold letters...I am starting to feel nothing this year will.

I agree...if any display manufacturer had a set that accepted 1080p over HDMI, it would be stupid of them NOT to advertise it.

How hard would it be for a company to offer an upgradeable set. Years ago in the CRT era the technology didn't change as fast as it does today. Plus TVs were not as expensive as they are today/ It would be nice to have an upgradeable path (like computers) where we could have an expansion slot and be able to add a HDMI input card that would allow for 1080p inputs instead of shelling out an additional 5K for a set in another couple of years.

How can sony call these sets 1080p without having 1080p inputs?
Ken

I guess it depends on how you define a 1080p set. It appears the current market definition is a set which displays 1080p thru de-interlacing/scaling. The ideal consumers definition would be a set which takes 1080p as input, as well as de-interlacing/scaling all other signals. I agree it would be nice to have but it appears we will have to wait for the next-gen(prolly next year).

well this question then will throw everyone for a loop,

it has a pc input (analog) but what resolution will that be able to accept. will it be able to to 1920x 1080p

my thinking is that if it has a pc input it should be able to accept it native resolution.

which makes me think it will accept 1080p

How hard would it be for a company to offer an upgradeable set. Years ago in the CRT era the technology didn't change as fast as it does today. Plus TVs were not as expensive as they are today/ It would be nice to have an upgradeable path (like computers) where we could have an expansion slot and be able to add a HDMI input card that would allow for 1080p inputs instead of shelling out an additional 5K for a set in another couple of years.

How can sony call these sets 1080p without having 1080p inputs?
Ken
It seems like it's usually not worth it for a manufacturer to offer a modular/upgradable unit (this applies to a lot of things, not just TVs), for the simple reason that only a small fraction of the customer base will be interested or aware of the upgradability, but it adds to the manufacturing cost of every single unit.

I think the important distinction to be made for "1080p" sets (that, of course, the manufacturers have no interest in making) is between "1080p display" and "1080p input". 1080p display means that the set can display a full 1920x1080 image in a single screen refresh (1/60 sec). So the Qualia 006, the new SXRDs, and the new 1080p DLPs all qualify on that front. (I know that some would dispute this about wobulated DLPs, but from what I understand the wobulation cycle time on those is far far shorter than the 1/60-sec frame duration. Let's try not to get into that on this thread.)

1080p input means that the set will actually accept a 1080p signal -- and that's what seems to be missing from every announced "1080p" set to this point. (Actually, the only one that I've seen confirmed by the manufacturer is Samsung, since their product brochure for the HLRxxx8 series actually says that it only takes up to 1080i on the HDMI inputs. I haven't been able to find detailed manufacturer specs for the Toshiba or Mitsubishi sets yet. But we know it's a safe bet.) Note that in the conversation Suzook quotes, the Crutchfield rep doesn't have any more information than we do -- he's just quoting the same info that the component inputs don't accept 1080p.

At any rate, all the current announced 1080p sets are "1080p display" but not (as far as we know) "1080p input". Which is how they can get away with it.

well this question then will throw everyone for a loop,

it has a pc input (analog) but what resolution will that be able to accept. will it be able to to 1920x 1080p

my thinking is that if it has a pc input it should be able to accept it native resolution.

which makes me think it will accept 1080p

The new Samsung sets are able to accept 1920x1080p on the VGA port but not throught the HDMI port. It is looking like the new Sonys may do the same thing.

Some musings regarding various posts.

I sit about 10 feet away from my 70 inch Qualia and would sit closer if I could. A good source picture can absolutely handle this distance, but as far as standard def stuff, well, GIGO. I contacted my Sony guru and he is looking into the availability of the 50/60 SXRD sets.
For anyone unsure of this technology sight unseen, all I will say is that from my first generation HDTV bought 4-5 years ago, I have seen practically every brand, technology, and make, at stores and shows, and, TO MY EYES, the SXRD is the best picture. Surely most of us realize that CRT, LCD, DLP and other LCoS sets have pros and cons and trade-offs. There is always going to be a test of a grid pattern or measurement where something else may score higher, but overall I am happiest with my Q6. I cannot imagine that a screen size 10 or 20 inches smaller would yield a lousier picture, even given a few differences between the Qualia and the new sets.

1080P inputs are still a concern, as previously posted.

Sorry for the ramble, but if it gets anyone to owning an SXRD set, you'll thank me later.

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The new Samsung sets are able to accept 1920x1080p on the VGA port but not throught the HDMI port. It is looking like the new Sonys may do the same thing.

How will text in Windows look using the VGA as opposed to the mythical 1080p input?

I seem to recall that there were some gurus that found Sony's manual for the A10 LCD series before it was released. With the launch of this set roughly 6 weeks away....anyone have any web skills where they could find the SXRD manuals? :D

This Sony SXRD looks very interesting. No rainbows, no SDE. However, the Dynamic Iris seems to be getting mixed opinions in the various Sony A10 threads. Some people are describing it as annoying because it causes the picture brightness to flicker during dark and light scenes.

I was just reading about that too. Is the Samsung 1080p set doing the same??

Checked out the picture of the SXRD 50" on Crutchfield and was disappointed to see it has the Dumbo ear speakers. Both from a space and visual appeal perspective, too bad they did not follow (due to speaker quality issues?) the 50A10 design.

Checked out the picture of the SXRD 50" on Crutchfield and was disappointed to see it has the Dumbo ear speakers. Both from a space and visual appeal perspective, too bad they did not follow (due to speaker quality issues?) the 50A10 design.


The speaker/side panel does appear to be seperate from the main body. Wonder how the plastic is molded and if it lends itself to be taken off without permanent damage to the set.

Same expected ship date: 9/19/05!

Other than computers I don't think we have confirmation on ANY 1080P60 source material as the x-box as I have heard will be 1080i and Blue Ray is 1080i and even though rumor has it that the PS3 will be 1080p they are now talking about delaying it until 2007 and dropping the price on the PS2 to $99 to pressure MS. Broadcast is some down the line so?

Roy

Despite the "dumbo" ear speakers, the sound quality from the XS955s is much better.
FWIW, appears new SXRD's no longer have subwoofer. Crutchfield only states 2 x 15 watts.

Poll- Just out of curiosity, which model are people interested in on here? The 50" or the 60"? I'm between both. My viewing distance in my family room will be about 9.5 ft. Is that too close for the 60"?

Thanks,

Ken (anxiously awaiting specs from crutchfield website!)

Definitely 60". I'm at the same distance as you, 9.5 ft. I had the XS955 for a few weeks, and found that 9.5' was a good distance. A foot or two closer and I could begin to see SDE. SDE won't be an issue with the 1080p though. So it's a matter of taste, but I think you're more likely to regret going too small than going too big.

FWIW, appears new SXRD's no longer have subwoofer. Crutchfield only states 2 x 15 watts.

:D Dumbo ears but no dumbo ass

On my old Sony, I can see what looks like a small grid on top of my picture. The grid really shows through if an image of clouds are on the screen. Id rather see rainbows than a grid. I know the SXRD wont have rainbows, I was just worried if it would still have a grid like appearance.

As someone who's seen both rainbows and SDE, trust me, rainbows are MUCH more distracting. People who only see them occasionally can live with them, but someone like me who sees them constantly can't.

I've seen the Qualia, and even with the 70" screen you practically have to put your nose on the screen to see any SDE. I like the part of the writeup where they describe the separation between pixels as 1/8 the width of a human hair. I'd like to see the person who claims they can see something 1/8 the width of a human hair from 10 feet away. I think with these sets, SDE is now a thing of the past.

Other than computers I don't think we have confirmation on ANY 1080P60 source material as the x-box as I have heard will be 1080i and Blue Ray is 1080i and even though rumor has it that the PS3 will be 1080p they are now talking about delaying it until 2007 and dropping the price on the PS2 to $99 to pressure MS. Broadcast is some down the line so?

Roy

The PS3-in-2007 rumor is a wildly speculative suggestion by one analyst -- I don't think it's something that should be given a great deal of credence. As for Blu-Ray, it supports 1080i60, 1080i50, and 1080p24, which is one reason I'm anxious to find out if the SXRD's support 1080p24 input even if they don't do 1080p60. Haven't been able to find reliable technical specs for HD-DVD, but from discussion here I understand it's expected to be all 1080i60.

The other important point that's been brought up here before is that if the TV won't accept its native display format as an input, you're forever at the mercy of the built-in scaler/deinterlacer chipset. Which may be very good, but is still a problem for those who are interested in using an external video processor, upscaling DVD player, or the like, and want to minimize the signal processing that's carried out by the TV's internal hardware.

Well, it's kinda like waking up on Christmas morning and finding out you got most everything you wanted, but there's a couple things you were REALLY hoping for, that Santa decided not to bring you this year. The dates being moved up to September is absolutely fantastic. The still-unconfirmed-but-likely absence of a 1080p HDMI input is disappointing but not totally unexpected. The dumbo ear design is unfortunate. But all things considered, the SXRDs still look like the best thing on the market come September.

I would've really liked a 1080p HDMI input, primarily so that I could upgrade to a better scaler/de-interlacer at some point down the road. But if the TV looks great on 1080i with the existing internal electronics, I probably won't let that stop me from buying. I wouldn't expect a 1080p HDMI upgrade to be in the works; if there's something stopping these sets from doing 1080p, I'd think it was more likely due to internal electronics not being able to process digital 1080p. Just replacing the HDMI ports wouldn't solve that problem.

I don't mind the dumbo ears, I had an XS955 and I don't have the width constraints of others, but I feel for those who do.

Main thing I'm wondering about now is SSE. SSE is barely present on the Qualia. Will it be as good on the new sets? That's the question that might make my decision on these sets.

I'm kind of puzzled that so many posters are placing so much emphasis on 1080p inputs. I haven't received 100% confirmation yet, but I don't believe the Grand Wega SXRDs have them. (The highest computer resolution supported is 1280 x 1024.) PS3 may support 1080p/24, but I wouldn't look for any games in that format in the initial release.

If you have a really good outboard scaler that outputs 1080p, I could see thinking about holding out for a set with 1080p inputs. But then it becomes a contest between your scaler and the TV's internal scaler, and these SXRDs use the DRC MultiFunction 2 circuit that the Qualia 006 uses, which gets raves over in the Qualia thread. Sophie, would you care to weigh in on this?

Steve

No 1080P over HDMI...:( It'll do 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i only.

Jason

Just thought I'd mention I placed a pre-order for the 50" SXRD from Crutchfield. I had the opportunity to see the Qualia 006 this past January and was extremely impressed with it's picture quality. I realize there are plenty of differences between the new 50" and 60" and the Qualia 006 but I was utterly impressed by the picture so much I am willing to buy this one sight unseen. I doubt Sony would put out a SXRD set that looks like total crap so I'm taking the chance.

The only bad part is I have to wait until the latter part of September to being enjoying the new set. Ahh, oh well, could be December I guess. Hopefully Sony won't let me down!

Thanks to everyone on this forum who provided a ton of helpful research information on all the various sets. Without the expert opinion of everyone here I would be a much less astute A/V consumer.

I'm kind of puzzled that so many posters are placing so much emphasis on 1080p inputs. I haven't received 100% confirmation yet, but I don't believe the Grand Wega SXRDs have them. (The highest computer resolution supported is 1280 x 1024.) PS3 may support 1080p/24, but I wouldn't look for any games in that format in the initial release.

If you have a really good outboard scaler that outputs 1080p, I could see thinking about holding out for a set with 1080p inputs. But then it becomes a contest between your scaler and the TV's internal scaler, and these SXRDs use the DRC MultiFunction 2 circuit that the Qualia 006 uses, which gets raves over in the Qualia thread. Sophie, would you care to weigh in on this?

Steve

Does anybody know what is different between these sets and the Q6 other than size?

Does anybody know if the Q6/SXRD can output DD5.1 on the optical from an HDMI/Digital source? The crutchfield specs are too generic to assume HDMI 5.1 audio capability and Optical out capability for digital sources..

Does anybody know what is different between these sets and the Q6 other than size?



The Qualia 006 has detachable speakers and these models do not. ;)

Steve,

Sure, here's my 1080P input concern. I have a Q006 that displays native 1080P, but cannot receive that signal, which I fully accepted at time of purchase. Some industry heavyweights, like Joe Kane, think that 1080P sources are more prevalent than generally thought, and that it has a future closer than expected. The best example being the PS3 (perhaps). I'm sorry I can't help get you to the post, but it is a letter in Widescreen Review about a month or so ago.

Maybe I'm missing something, not an original concept BTW, but what's going to happen when a 1080P source actually hits the street? If I can use an inboard/outboard scaler/processer/can opener to deinterlace it to 1080i, then let the Q006 display it at 1080P, that's fine with me. Not perfect, but OK, at least I getting it. My feeling is that something will be available to accommodate the zillions of HDTV sets already in the marketplace. Please feel free to help.

Does anybody know what is different between these sets and the Q6 other than size?

Does anybody know if the Q6/SXRD can output DD5.1 on the optical from an HDMI/Digital source? The crutchfield specs are too generic to assume HDMI 5.1 audio capability and Optical out capability for digital sources..
The HDMI will only accept 2-channel linear PCM @ 32, 44.1, and 48 kHz (16, 20, & 24 bit) and is not compatible with compressed audio such as AC-3 (DD) or DTS. Additionally, the audio out jacks only work when the TV's speakers are turned off.

Jason

I'm kind of puzzled that so many posters are placing so much emphasis on 1080p inputs. I haven't received 100% confirmation yet, but I don't believe the Grand Wega SXRDs have them. (The highest computer resolution supported is 1280 x 1024.) PS3 may support 1080p/24, but I wouldn't look for any games in that format in the initial release. Steve

I tend to agree Steve -- I don't see the big reason behind the hype over 1080p inputs either -- 1080p on the PS3 appears to be speculation at this point. Regardless, even if the PS3 has to output 1080i and then let the set upconvert to 1080p, it's just a video game (just my opinion!).

Thank you for the early Christmas gift :D Can you give any off the record, personal comments/speculation as to why Sony is releasing this with the XBR model designation but not marketing them as XBRs? Is it so that mass merchandisers who do not normally carry the XBR sub-brand can sell them?

I'm kind of puzzled that so many posters are placing so much emphasis on 1080p inputs. I haven't received 100% confirmation yet, but I don't believe the Grand Wega SXRDs have them. (The highest computer resolution supported is 1280 x 1024.) PS3 may support 1080p/24, but I wouldn't look for any games in that format in the initial release.

If you have a really good outboard scaler that outputs 1080p, I could see thinking about holding out for a set with 1080p inputs. But then it becomes a contest between your scaler and the TV's internal scaler, and these SXRDs use the DRC MultiFunction 2 circuit that the Qualia 006 uses, which gets raves over in the Qualia thread. Sophie, would you care to weigh in on this?

Steve

Steve,

I think it may be the "Christmas morning" feeling that empire_of_one cited -- it's almost perfect, except for one small aspect which then takes on disproportional significance. In shopping for HD sets, I've been looking for the one which will last as long as possible, and 1080p inputs were the one major feature that I could imagine feeling the lack of in the near future (the next couple of years). A possible gap in the futureproofing, if you will... Especially with the information that Blu-Ray supports 1080p24, which suggested that a 1080p input on the TV would allow one to display the source material directly without having to interlace in the player and deinterlace in the TV.

That being said, I think once the initial disappointment wears off, it'll be easier to put the lack of 1080p input in perspective... I'm going to wait for the initial user impressions, but I suspect this is still going to be the set for me in the long run.

DVD specifications support 480p but you don't see the content providers selling content on DVD in 480p, do you? I expect it will be the same for 1080 material and the new upcoming HiDef formats.

Someone posted already (I admit that I don't know this to be entirely correct but it does make sense) that in reality, you can get a 1080p source, convert it to 1080i and then convert once again to 1080p in a lossless manner. I imagine that is what will happen; and here to the expensive deinterlacers/scalers should be able to provide a 1080i signal that will be converted within the sets to 1080p in a lossless manner.

So the SXRD is no more of a Upgrade than the rest of the 1080P sets being released by other manufactures...no 5.1 channel HDMI...no 1080P input...I thought this was the one set that was going to make a huge impact...now I wonder what JVC will release? Probably the same as the rest...NO 1080P INPUT SUCKS!

I would be very tempted to rip one of these apart and turn it into a front projector (assuming you could reverse the image with some secret command).

Price is still high for the size, but Sony is going to have a hit on their hands.

That's pretty clear to me.

...

Does anybody know if the Q6/SXRD can output DD5.1 on the optical from an HDMI/Digital source? The crutchfield specs are too generic to assume HDMI 5.1 audio capability and Optical out capability for digital sources..


The Q6 can output DDX.1 via its optical output but only from its internal tuner; i.e., if you pipe in audio via HDMI from a source the Q will not accept the full DDX.1 and therefore will not just pass this audio out through its optical port (seems like most sets, including the new Samsung 1080p DLP do this...seems silly to me, but hey, who am I). The HDMI source will perform its HDMI handshake routine, discover the Q only has two speakers, and should automatically send only 2CH audio to the Q via HDMI.

The Q6 can output DDX.1 via its optical output but only from its internal tuner; i.e., if you pipe in audio via HDMI from a source the Q will not accept the full DDX.1 and therefore will not just pass this audio out through its optical port (seems like most sets, including the new Samsung 1080p DLP do this...seems silly to me, but hey, who am I). The HDMI source will perform its HDMI handshake routine, discover the Q only has two speakers, and should automatically send on ly 2CH audio to the Q via HDMI.So does that mean there could be the kung fu issue Lip sync like the Samsungs.

I've seen no lip sync issues, but I haven't tried gaming. The only lip sync issues I've encountered seem to be with the Oppo 971.

I would be very tempted to rip one of these apart and turn it into a front projector (assuming you could reverse the image with some secret command).

Price is still high for the size, but Sony is going to have a hit on their hands.

That's pretty clear to me.

Amazing. The demand for these things is already so great. Sight unseen! The phones have been ringing off the hook all day. Ther is NO WAY they can produce them fast enough to supply all the demand, and just wait until people actually SEE them! Sony certainly has the biggest Video coup in a long, long time on their hands. Even undecided buyers are saying "no way i'll buy anything until i see the Sony SXRD's". JVC and Toshiba better be coming out with one hell of a 1080P product to compete.

I would be very tempted to rip one of these apart and turn it into a front projector (assuming you could reverse the image with some secret command).

Price is still high for the size, but Sony is going to have a hit on their hands.

That's pretty clear to me.

Wouldn't that be the non-Qualia version of the 004 :)

Sony certainly has the biggest Video coup in a long, long time on their hands.

So even though this seems to lack a 1080p input and the HDMI won't pass 5.1 you still think this is a coup? You were claiming that Sony would blow away the Samsungs since they didn't have these features and now that Sony doesn't have them everything is ok?

I've seen no lip sync issues, but I haven't tried gaming. The only lip sync issues I've encountered seem to be with the Oppo 971.Ben I have a Samsung 67" on pre order...but the SXRD 60" was the one set that could of change my mine...even tho it is smaller. I will need to see both of these sets...I know you own the 006 do you think the SXRD will be close to the 006 in PQ and features...Oh by the way I also bought the OPPO and was hoping it would mate to the Samsung or Sony SXRD.

So even though this seems to lack a 1080p input and the HDMI won't pass 5.1 you still think this is a coup? You were claiming that Sony would blow away the Samsungs since they didn't have these features and now that Sony doesn't have them everything is ok?

True dat!

;)

Ben I have a Samsung 67" on pre order...but the SXRD 60" was the one set that could of change my mine...even tho it is smaller. I will need to see both of these sets...I know you own the 006 do you think the SXRD will be close to the 006 in PQ and features...Oh by the way I also bought the OPPO and was hoping it would mate to the Samsung or Sony SXRD.

IMO, it could be better, worse or about the same (hmmm, I feel like I'm sitting in the eye doctor's office). What we seem to know for sure is that it makes use of a fully dynamic iris, whereas the Q doesn't appear to, that it uses a smaller chip and that it uses the same video processing algorithms. The smaller chip may not make a difference being that the sets are smaller. It is rumored that the optics will be of lesser quality, or at least less expensive, but again, the lesser optics may provide the samer or better PQ given the fact that the sets are smaller...going to 70" seems to be a non-linear jump in terms of scaling up technology.

IMO, it could be better, worse or about the same (hmmm, I feel like I'm sitting in the eye doctor's office). What we seem to know for sure is that it makes use of a fully dynamic iris, whereas the Q doesn't appear to, that it uses a smaller chip and that it uses the same video processing algorithms. The smaller chip may not make a difference being that the sets are smaller. It is rumored that the optics will be of lesser quality, or at least less expensive, but again, the lesser optics may provide the samer or better PQ given the fact that the sets are smaller...going to 70" seems to be a non-linear jump in terms of scaling up technology.

Ok so is a smaller chip size better or worse for a rear projection set? If I recall the Qualia is .78 and the XBR SXRD is .61.

So even though this seems to lack a 1080p input and the HDMI won't pass 5.1 you still think this is a coup? You were claiming that Sony would blow away the Samsungs since they didn't have these features and now that Sony doesn't have them everything is ok?

They already DID blow away the Samsungs - and they're not even close to being available! The volume of sets dealers and wholesalers are trying to pre-order at this very early point in time is unheard of for a Microdisplay. And not an inexpensive one at that! Believe me, the numbers are staggering. I hope Sony has built a large enough production facility. I don't think they were anticipating this type of demand. By contrast, the new Samsung 720P sets released earlier this year were total duds. Prices started being discounted almost immediately to try to sell them. The early demand for the Samsung 1080P's has been better, but will tail off and prices will drop when Mitsubishi, Toshiba, and JVC 1080P models hit this Fall. Right now, "SXRD" is the flavor du jour, and it will only grow as the year goes on, i suspect. Everyone else will be fighting for the "2nd banana" role this year more than likely...


Don't forget - you're comparing apples and oranges. Besides JVC, only Sony will have a set with a TRUE 1080P Chip. The rest are all wobulated, and whatever TI apologists say, the fact is it ain't the same thing and can't produce the same quality picture that the Sony or even the JVC D-ILA's will be capable of. LG LCoS may also be a contender since they could be the only ones this year who WILL accept 1080P inputs. But that remains to be seen, they've been continually pushed back and now it looks like October may be optimistic for LG.

IMO, it could be better, worse or about the same (hmmm, I feel like I'm sitting in the eye doctor's office). What we seem to know for sure is that it makes use of a fully dynamic iris, whereas the Q doesn't appear to, that it uses a smaller chip and that it uses the same video processing algorithms. The smaller chip may not make a difference being that the sets are smaller. It is rumored that the optics will be of lesser quality, or at least less expensive, but again, the lesser optics may provide the samer or better PQ given the fact that the sets are smaller...going to 70" seems to be a non-linear jump in terms of scaling up technology.Thanks Ben...I think I will go ahead with the Samsung 67" and if I feel that its not all that... I do have a 30 day window to make a decision. With Football coming I am getting very antsy. :)

I dont think Sony has released a set yet, that offers 1:1 pixel mapping.
Now on this 'next gen' they state the max PC res is 1280x1024, I just dont understand???

The best 1080p device is a HTPC. Be it playing games, using the internet, or watching home made movies in 1080p.
You can now easily make 1080p videos of high res digital pictures using Sony Vegas software, why is Sony overlooking that?

Thats what digital is all about... 1:1 pixel mapping in my books.

I wont even start about the speaker design... ;)

Thanks Ben...I think I go ahead with the Samsung 67" and if I feel that its not all that... I do have a 30 day window to make a decision. With Football coming I am getting very antsy. :)

Not to knock the Samsungs, but my bet is on the three-chip SXRD sets...

They already DID blow away the Samsungs - and they're not even close to being available! The volume of sets dealers and wholesalers are trying to pre-order at this very early point in time is unheard of for a Microdisplay. And not an inexpensive one at that! Believe me, the numbers are staggering


I like Sony, but even I would have to ask "how do you know?" I seriously doubt retailers freely exchange information with their competitors.

I dont think Sony has released a set yet, that offers 1:1 pixel mapping.
Now on this 'next gen' they state the max PC res is 1280x1024, I just dont understand???

The best 1080p device is a HTPC. Be it playing games, using the internet, or watching home made movies in 1080p.
You can now easily make 1080p videos of high res digital pictures using Sony Vegas software, why is Sony overlooking that?

Thats what digital is all about... 1:1 pixel mapping in my books.

I wont even start about the speaker design... ;)

Jack, I have a fairly high-end gaming rig (albeit, not a dual proc, dual core, dual vga...i'm talking high end about a year ago :) i'll build a new one this winter for my b-day :D) and it is pretty darn tough to get the games to run smoothly at very high resolutions with a lot of the eye candy turned on. I can't imagine running at 1080p. I've been toying with a 1080p transport stream on this high end rig and using just software, it is not a pretty sight to see it try and play this h.264 stream.

I like Sony, but even I would have to ask "how do you know?" I seriously doubt retailers freely exchange information with their competitors.

He is a retailer...

The Qualia 006 has detachable speakers and these models do not. ;)

Can you use a hack saw on them?

He is a retailer...Actually I think G is a wholesaler.

Jack, I have a fairly high-end gaming rig (albeit, not a dual proc, dual core, dual vga...i'm talking high end about a year ago :) i'll build a new one this winter for my b-day :D) and it is pretty darn tough to get the games to run smoothly at very high resolutions with a lot of the eye candy turned on. I can't imagine running at 1080p. I've been toying with a 1080p transport stream on this high end rig and using just software, it is not a pretty sight to see it try and play this h.264 stream.

I wouldnt worry about our current PC's too much. I think a 3.2Ghz CPU with a x850Xt or a new 7800 would hold up well at 1080p. During the lifespan of an SXRD I'm sure it will be fed many PC upgrades to meet its needs.

I hope someone can manage to get 1:1 mapping with it at 60Hz even over the VGA input, its a deal breaker if they cant :(

I wouldnt worry about our current PC's too much. I think a 3.2Ghz CPU with a x850Xt or a new 7800 would hold up well at 1080p. During the lifespan of an SXRD I'm sure it will be fed many PC upgrades to meet its needs.

I hope someone can manage to get 1:1 mapping with it at 60Hz, its a deal breaker if they cant :(


Well, that is almost my current rig's specs: P4 3.2GHz, 1GB Dual Chan and X800XT and it is hurting...

The volume of sets dealers and wholesalers are trying to pre-order at this very early point in time is unheard of for a Microdisplay. And not an inexpensive one at that! Believe me, the numbers are staggering.I called around and couldn't get much response from retailers. I finally found someone who at least made me think he knows what I was talking about. He gladly took some of my money for a deposit on the 60". I hope specs and pricing don't change much. I was concerned about a price drop when they ship like we saw with SonyStyle and the 50A10 MSRP.

So even though this seems to lack a 1080p input and the HDMI won't pass 5.1 you still think this is a coup? You were claiming that Sony would blow away the Samsungs since they didn't have these features and now that Sony doesn't have them everything is ok?

Thanks for all the replies to my questions :)

I am very dissappointed with the answers to my questions :( . I was led to believe by some of the most *prominent* posters here that DDx.1 via HDMI would be available. These *prominent* posters have and continually bash Samsung for not putting in a DD "Decoder" while praising this capability in the SXRD, etc. Wonder what the excuse is now...

Now learning the max PC res is 1280x1024 as compared to Sammy's 1920x1080 leads me to wonder if this set is really worth $1500 more than the 6168 PB.

I think the grinch just stole xmas :eek:

I pre-ordered the KDSR60XBR1 (#5 on the list)

PROBLEM, Crutchfield doesn't have the Stand for the TV !?! Does anyone have any ideas??

Thank you all in this forum for helping me make my decision.

-Dave

guys did I miss something where is the info that say it can't do 1920x1080 over the vga pc input.

guys did I miss something where is the info that say it can't do 1920x1080 over the vga pc input.

Check out post 950 by skindig

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5989033&&#post5989033

Thanks for all the replies to my questions :)

I am very dissappointed with the answers to my questions :( . I was led to believe by some of the most *prominent* posters here that DDx.1 via HDMI would be available. These *prominent* posters have and continually bash Samsung for not putting in a DD "Decoder" while praising this capability in the SXRD, etc. Wonder what the excuse is now...


See this actually seems like a bit of a mess.

Using some deductive reasoning, it would seem to me that the sony's as well as the sammy's must have a dd decoder given they both have an atsc tuner and cablecard...otherwise, how would you get sound out of the on board speakers...so it seems to just be poor design or an oversight...if all else fails, suspect the lawyers! :eek:

...Ok, I will post this again. Unless the Sony rep at Siggraph was talking out his a$$... the SXRD TV's will all accept a raw, uncompressed 1080p digital signal through a single cable DVI/ HDMI connection.

I asked what he meant by a single cable and he mentioned as opposed to dual dvi like the 30" cinema display from Apple.

Perhaps this is a load of hooey, but it sure seems strange that he would make such a point of this to me if it were completely bogus.

Cheers-

I'm kind of puzzled that so many posters are placing so much emphasis on 1080p inputs. I haven't received 100% confirmation yet, but I don't believe the Grand Wega SXRDs have them. (The highest computer resolution supported is 1280 x 1024.) PS3 may support 1080p/24, but I wouldn't look for any games in that format in the initial release.



There is a certain videogame developer by the name of Dean Cleaver who works for a Sony Computer Entertainment Europe 2nd party developer called Ninja Theory...

Ninja Theory is working on a PLAYSTATION 3 game called Heveanly Sword and according to Dean, the game is running at 1080p right now....there are some interior scenes and some exterior scenes....the interior scenes are running at 1080p/30 right now and the exterior scenes (up to 2000 enemies on screen at once) are only running at 5-10 frames per second...

Keep in mind that all this is without any advanced optimization yet and the game is only running on one SPE (not using the 7 SPUs yet) but that will change with time according to DeanoC....

He claims the final game will be 1080p/30 and also says he knows of a few other PS3 games that are also 1080p...

Furthermore, Jen-Hsun Huang, the CEO of nVidia corp. said during E3 the PS3 supports 1080p games anyway..

I would imagine that perhaps a fighting game with only 2 characters on screen could actually support 1080p/60 so the need for TVs to accept 1080p/60 will become more important over the years as more of these games surface...

There is a certain videogame developer by the name of Dean Cleaver who works for a Sony Computer Entertainment Europe 2nd party developer called Ninja Theory...

Ninja Theory is working on a PLAYSTATION 3 game called Heveanly Sword and according to Dean, the game is running at 1080p right now....there are some interior scenes and some exterior scenes....the interior scenes are running at 1080p/30 right now and the exterior scenes (up to 2000 enemies on screen at once) are only running at 5-10 frames per second...

Keep in mind that all this is without any advanced optimization yet and the game is only running on one SPE (not using the 7 SPUs yet) but that will change with time according to DeanoC....

He claims the final game will be 1080p/30 and also says he knows of a few other PS3 games that are also 1080p...

Furthermore, Jen-Hsun Huang, the CEO of nVidia corp. said during E3 the PS3 supports 1080p games anyway..

I would imagine that perhaps a fighting game with only 2 characters on screen could actually support 1080p/60 so the need for TVs to accept 1080p/60 will become more important over the years as more of these games surface...


Anyone here who plays PC games can relay this as well. Right now, if you own one of the latest ATI or Nvidia graphics cards and a 3+ ghz cpu with at least 1 gig of ram, you can play many of the next gen games like Doom3 and Half life 2 in 1080p with all the bells and whistles turned on at frame rates as high as 30 and even 40 FPS. On some PC's you can even have anti-aliasing turned on at these frame rates.

I asked what he meant by a single cable and he mentioned as opposed to dual dvi like the 30" cinema display from Apple.It's not really two cables. It's double the data path (dual-link DVI) through a single connection. My 15" Powerbook has a 128mb ATI card that will drive the 30" Apple display on a single connection. We're also talking 2560 x 1600 pixels here. Much more than 1920x1080p HDTV.

Hmm, I won't be ready to buy until Nov/Dec.
I wonder if the price will discounted any by then...

Hmm, I won't be ready to buy until Nov/Dec.
I wonder if the price will discounted any by then...

Maybe some retailer discounts, but I don't see Sony chaning the price that soon.

Has anyone raised the spectre of a group purchase discount/POWER BUY for the 60" sets ???

Crazy! :D question here.

If I bought this generation SXRD, and was fortunate to get next years Gen because, say, "1080p ??fps over HDMI", around how much do you think I can get for this years? So I can put that money towards the new one. Sorry for the wording of my question.

Thanks in ADVANCE - Matthew

guys did I miss something where is the info that say it can't do 1920x1080 over the vga pc input.
1280x1024 SXGA is the max...

Jason

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Can't you connect the PC to the SXRD via HDMI with a DVI-to-HDMI adapter and get 1920x1080?

Why the disappointment over no 1080p HDMI? It's all about future-proofing. Anyone dropping $4-5K on a TV is probably planning on keeping that TV well into the next decade. Sure there's little to no 1080p content now, but who knows what the future holds? Think where we were 10 years ago. If it was set in stone somewhere that there would be no 1080p content within the next several years, then it would be a non-issue. The importance of 1080p input shouldn't be overexaggerated (these sets are still gonna age much better than any 720p sets) but the potential value of it shouldn't be underestimated either. Sadly, it looks like all the manufacturers so far are doing precisely that. I think it's like all those sets that have been sold to date with only one HDMI input. They're building sets for today, when they should be building them for today, tomorrow and next week as well.

DVD specifications support 480p but you don't see the content providers selling content on DVD in 480p, do you? I expect it will be the same for 1080 material and the new upcoming HiDef formats.

Someone posted already (I admit that I don't know this to be entirely correct but it does make sense) that in reality, you can get a 1080p source, convert it to 1080i and then convert once again to 1080p in a lossless manner. I imagine that is what will happen; and here to the expensive deinterlacers/scalers should be able to provide a 1080i signal that will be converted within the sets to 1080p in a lossless manner.

The question we have here is, will these SXRD models' conversion back to 1080p truly be lossless? That all depends on the quality of the processing. If the TV can't accept a signal at its native res, we're stuck with whatever processing it comes equipped with, so it better be good. One thing in particular I'd like to know is, how does the TV convert a 1080i signal that comes from a 1080p24 source? Will it reconstruct and display a true 1080p24 picture? Or will it have 3:2 pulldown, like is used to go from 480i on DVD to 480p? Perhaps it's neither, and if that's the case, what kind of picture can we expect from an interlaced conversion of a 1080p24 source?

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Tag... yur it :cool:

Don't forget - you're comparing apples and oranges. Besides JVC, only Sony will have a set with a TRUE 1080P Chip. The rest are all wobulated, and whatever TI apologists say, the fact is it ain't the same thing and can't produce the same quality picture that the Sony or even the JVC D-ILA's will be capable of. LG LCoS may also be a contender since they could be the only ones this year who WILL accept 1080P inputs. But that remains to be seen, they've been continually pushed back and now it looks like October may be optimistic for LG.

There's also Hitachi. It seems like they keep getting forgotten, but they've also announced they're releasing a 1080p LCOS set this fall. Could be a dark horse.

LG is also supposedly coming out with a 1080p LCoS set based on Spatialight's engine.

Too bad Panasonic only plans HD2+ DLP and LCD sets,
they are the one company that offered 1:1 pixel mapping
over HDMI with the 720p DLP.

If the price is right it could still be a good choice.

Too bad Panasonic only plans HD2+ DLP and LCD sets,
they are the one company that offered 1:1 pixel mapping
over HDMI with the 720p DLP.

If the price is right it could still be a good choice.

for those who do not see the dlp-rainbows

For those of you planning on buying this TV, the corresponding Sony stand (SU-GW12) is on sale at Circuit City. To get the deal you must order from the website for in-store pickup. I just picked one up today.

Thanks for all the replies to my questions :)

I am very dissappointed with the answers to my questions :( . I was led to believe by some of the most *prominent* posters here that DDx.1 via HDMI would be available. These *prominent* posters have and continually bash Samsung for not putting in a DD "Decoder" while praising this capability in the SXRD, etc. Wonder what the excuse is now...

Now learning the max PC res is 1280x1024 as compared to Sammy's 1920x1080 leads me to wonder if this set is really worth $1500 more than the 6168 PB.

I think the grinch just stole xmas :eek:

If you are talking about Sammy DLP:

I don't care if Sammy DLP can do 4,000 x 2,000 resolution or whatever - as long as they have the dlp rainbows they don't belong in the same sentence with SXRD (for me).

Can we please keep DLP out of this thread?

This is great that these sets are arriving so soon, but it means that I've got to finish my TV stand in the next 2 1/2 weeks before school starts again! :eek: I was thinking mid- to late October...not that I'm complaining! :D

Jason (who's happy as a clam!)

I was not able to confirm that at Crutchfield & I don't know if anyone has been able to confirm that also, but earlier in this thread & also at "P.V." magazine, both said that the SXRD 50" & 60" sets would use a smaller SXRD chipset, 0.61, while the Qualia 006 uses a 0.78 chipset?
How could this affect PQ? And SDE?? Has anyone actually seen any of those sets??
Anyone??
Thanks

CarlosP

Carlos-

They do use the .61 chip, but with 6,220,800 pixels, I wouldn't worry too much about SDE. And while PQ may certainly not meet with the Qualia 006, I think that these SXRDs are still going to be awesome.

Jason

Also, as far as the replacement lamp...it's the 120 watt XL-5100. I did a brief search, but didn't find anything. My guess is that it would be priced fairly close to the Qualia's XL-5000 lamp ($300) though that's just a foolish guess.

Jason

Wow, I have never seen such pre-annointed victory as we see for the SXRD's.

Nobody has even seen one turned on, much less off. God, I hope they deliver, as half of the folks on this thread have had premature ejaculations already over these sets.

Sure, its based on the very beautiful Qualia's - but that doesnt guarantee these sets anything.

The Sammys for the most part have been well received, but you get the feeling that no matter what Sony (or JVC, Tosh, Sammmy, LG) deliver in the 1080p, there is no way it will live up to expectations....

Originally Posted by gazelle
Don't forget - you're comparing apples and oranges. Besides JVC, only Sony will have a set with a TRUE 1080P Chip. The rest are all wobulated, and whatever TI apologists say, the fact is it ain't the same thing and can't produce the same quality picture that the Sony or even the JVC D-ILA's will be capable of. LG LCoS may also be a contender since they could be the only ones this year who WILL accept 1080P inputs. But that remains to be seen, they've been continually pushed back and now it looks like October may be optimistic for LG.



There's also Hitachi. It seems like they keep getting forgotten, but they've also announced they're releasing a 1080p LCOS set this fall. Could be a dark horse.


Sorry, yes, i proved your point. I Neglected Hitachi as well and they will certainly be a major player along with Sony, JVC, and LG.