Sony SXRD 50" and 60" - Oct/Nov [Text View] - Page 9

Uninvited Guest

08-19-05, 04:03 PM

Now what kind of fun is that??? :D

Just curious...for only $40 more than the battery backup, you could have bought the PF60 and get the conditioning built-in (of course w/o the battery backup feature). Do you guys lose power a lot or do you have gear that would get zorked if you lost power? Just wondering...:)

JasonWe get a lot of lightning during the summer "Monsoon" storm season. Power flickers and failures a couple times a month from June - Sept. I wanted it as much for the battery as the conditioning.

Hey I just noticed the PFHD I bought does have one hi-current outlet but that may not help since I have it going thought the battery. You might filp them around and put the battery behind a PF30 console (http://catalog.belkin.com/PureAV_detail.process?Product_Id=178339#).It would make a nice looking combination. However someone was saying in the surge protector thread the AVR stystem in the Battery Backup might mess with the load demand on the PF30 Power Conditioner.

CFoote

08-19-05, 04:26 PM

The C5 (http://signature.paradigm.com/HTML_Site/SigProduct/C5/C5.html) is a beast indeed! A local dealer had the entire Signature line in-store early last year and they are phenomenal speakers! Unfortunately, they're far out of our price range...I'd have to get the S8 (http://signature.paradigm.com/HTML_Site/SigProduct/S8/S8.html)! We went the route of Studio 100, ADP-470, and the CC-570 w/ a Servo-15 for about 1/2 the cost of the S8s alone! :eek:

Maybe in another lifetime...:)

Jason

Jason there's a store near me discounting signature stuff heavily....PM me if you want the info.

jwv651

08-19-05, 04:32 PM

Now what kind of fun is that??? :D

Just curious...for only $40 more than the battery backup, you could have bought the PF60 and get the conditioning built-in (of course w/o the battery backup feature). Do you guys lose power a lot or do you have gear that would get zorked if you lost power? Just wondering...:)

JasonI purchased the PF60 and I can tell you it made a HUGE difference in Audio and some in Video especially with the Oppo DVD player mated to a HLN567...I have the Paradigm 60v2 and Ref Sudio center channel with PW2200 Sub...it made my Paradigms come alive, they sound so much cleaner...really impressed.

Just need to fine the right battery backup to work with the PF60 preferably a rack mounted unit. Very happy with the PF60 so far. :)

AlanBuck

08-19-05, 04:37 PM

I wonder just how much good all these power conditioners really do, versus how much is the placebo effect? Sugar pills make sick people feel better too, because they believe the pill is real. I have a feeling a lot of these perceived improvments in sound, and PQ, is based on the placebo effect. I would love to do a double-blind study, and find out for sure. Now I bet I have stirred up a hornets nest...lol

JasonColeman

08-19-05, 04:43 PM

AlanBuck

08-19-05, 04:49 PM

The reviewer at *************** (http://www.***************.com/html/reviews/techreview.php?rev=76) (link originally posted by UG) seemed very impressed with the PF60, but who knows...maybe he works for Belkin! :D Let's ask Artwood...:p

Jason

What we need here is a total blind study to see if picky people can see/hear the difference for real. I feel the same way about Monster Cables...overpriced and overhyped, versus affordable cables. Kinda makes me laugh..does anyone think your cable company, DirecTV, Motorola, Sony, etc are using such high grade, pricey cables in your equipment, and feeds? LOL

JasonColeman

08-19-05, 04:57 PM

What we need here is a total blind study to see if picky people can see/hear the difference for real.
Well, I'll give you my impressions as soon as I get it hooked up.

Jason

circumstances

08-19-05, 05:01 PM

The C5 (http://signature.paradigm.com/HTML_Site/SigProduct/C5/C5.html) is a beast indeed! A local dealer had the entire Signature line in-store early last year and they are phenomenal speakers! Unfortunately, they're far out of our price range...I'd have to get the S8 (http://signature.paradigm.com/HTML_Site/SigProduct/S8/S8.html)! We went the route of Studio 100, ADP-470, and the CC-570 w/ a Servo-15 for about 1/2 the cost of the S8s alone! :eek:

Maybe in another lifetime...:)

Jason

yep. my near future includes the S8's and a pair of the Signature ADP's. Fortunately I've already got the center and sub. then it's on to upgrading the surround sound processor and power amp. and by then we'll have Blu Ray (and/or HD DVD) =)

Uninvited Guest

08-19-05, 05:26 PM

Just need to fine the right battery backup to work with the PF60 preferably a rack mounted unit. Very happy with the PF60 so far. :)Not to be a pushy Belkin salesman but the PureAV Battery Backup (http://catalog.belkin.com/PureAV_detail.process?Product_Id=195291) does come with brackets to rack-mount.

djbentle

08-19-05, 05:27 PM

Well, I'm not sure about the power conditioning, but certainly there have been enough reports on this forum of bulb failures within days or weeks of a power failure causing the set to shutdown without the cooling fan running to make a battery backup seem worth it. I will definitely consider one for my system when I get it. One or two bulbs, depending on the unit, and it's paid for.

JasonColeman

08-19-05, 05:43 PM

jwv651

08-19-05, 05:46 PM

Not to be a pushy Belkin salesman but the PureAV Battery Backup (http://catalog.belkin.com/PureAV_detail.process?Product_Id=195291) does come with brackets to rack-mount.Yep I seen it and it looks really nice...But I just need a Back-up for the TV due to bulb...I was thinking after I posted the last time...I might just forget the Back-up for now as my extended warranty does cover the bulb for 5 years. Thanks anyway :)

Uninvited Guest

08-19-05, 05:52 PM

UG-

What do you think of the Pure AV battery backup and the FP60 together? I've got the battery backup already, but I'm considering exchanging it for the FP60 to get the power conditioning feature. We don't have much in the way of power outages, but the lamp protection concern makes me rethink (again!).

JasonWere it me I first see how the battery backup handles the amp and the current draw. I think the display on the front shows what the current draw is. If the one unit doesn't feed the hi-current needs of the amp I would use one hi-current unit for the amp and a battery backup connected to the TV, DVR.

I called Belkin tech support (not the sharpest crayon in the box) who said not to plug one surge protector into another. So I may not be able to or need to do what I was planning in the post above. But when I get an amp/receiver set up, I will use the seperate units. No matter what, I want the battery on the TV. I may not get an extended warranty to cover bulbs.

JasonColeman

08-19-05, 06:01 PM

Were it me I first see how the battery backup handles the amp and the current draw. I think the display on the front shows what the current draw is. If the one unit doesn't feed the hi-current needs of the amp I would use one hi-current unit for the amp and a battery backup connected to the TV, DVR.
Thanks for the ideas. It's too bad they don't have good surge protection, power conditioning, and battery backup all in one unit. Maybe it'll require both...

Jason

JasonColeman

08-19-05, 06:12 PM

Crap...does that mean 8 shelves for the A/V component tower?!? My wife's gonna kick your ass! :D "Honey...UG made me do it!" :p

Jason

Uninvited Guest

08-19-05, 06:21 PM

Crap...does that mean 8 shelves for the A/V component tower?!? My wife's gonna kick your ass! :D "Honey...UG made me do it!" :p

JasonOh yea, I 'virtually' twisted your arm. :p

Oh wait, peer pressure "But Honey, all the other guys have two power units!"

It's not like I taught you how to make a Homemade Flame Thrower (http://www.chaffinchshoelace.com/view/2690/) :eek:
(scroll down it gets good)

BenDover

08-19-05, 06:27 PM

Joe,

I would get a battery backup regardless of the warranty coverage since the bulb is likely to go during the warranty period naturally so why waste your replacement on an unnatural and premature failure? Mho

Jason, apc has a new unit that is made specifically for av gear that has all three features in one nice package...costly though!

When I say made for av gear I am referring to the fact that when on backup or when correcting sags it outputs a pure sinewave waveform which is what av gear needs...not so important for simply providing backup power to safely shutdown but important for line conditioning, specifically when it is compensating for power sags. Again, mho.

Blue 911

08-19-05, 06:31 PM

Stopped by the Tweeter store in Raleigh. Their computer notes 400 R60XBR1's due to arrive in their Atlanta regional warehouse on 9/9/05, with another 175 arriving 9/23. Takes about a week to reach stores from there. Also total of 500 50"er's due same time frame. He couldn't say how reliable those dates were.

Said this was a large amout of initial inventory compared to other sets (didn't ask what usual order size is).

CC had it in their computer at 10% off MRSP. No indication of arrival date. BB didn't have it listed at all, yet.

BenDover

08-19-05, 06:42 PM

Guys, if anyone missed it earlier, you can't quote pricing or where to buy or they are going to shutdown the thread...I was surprised a mod popped in here to warn everyone and even more surprised to see the mod clean up the thread.

PM is the best way to go to discuss great pricing you may have found somewhere.

Uninvited Guest

08-19-05, 06:56 PM

bz2yx9

08-19-05, 07:13 PM

I'm just curious, why the rule for no price talk? Is it because of dealer/industry participation in this forum?

tonydeluce

08-19-05, 07:17 PM

I'm just curious, why the rule for no price talk? Is it because of dealer/industry participation in this forum?

There are a number of reaons. Probably the foremost is trying to keep the
level of disucussion above "where can I get the best price on this
component" and "I got a better deal than you."

We already have numerous thread crappers talking about x set is better
then y set universally rather than which set is best for what particular
application which is bad enough in my opinion.

BenDover

08-19-05, 07:17 PM

I think I'm the lookout man in the getaway car :)

JasonColeman

08-19-05, 07:26 PM

It's because of the forum sponsors...don't want to take away their business! ;)

Jason

Uninvited Guest

08-19-05, 07:30 PM

I think I'm the lookout man in the getaway car :)LOL!

westa6969

08-19-05, 07:49 PM

Don't we have a single Forum Sponsor that's an authorized Sony Dealer?

I'd bet a PB on the SXRD would set a record on this forum and people could then actually discuss price. I spoke to Vann's and they said they wouldn't be able to get them for a month after Sony's initial chosen distribution channel starting in September. Don't have a Tweeter near Michigan and BB still doesn't have a 1080P in my area yet. Even Crutchfield could come in here and for a PB clean house with such a PB or perhaps they feel they don't need it that everyone will pay MSRP?

Just a thought while waiting. :)

JohnFR

08-19-05, 08:38 PM

Even Crutchfield could come in here and for a PB clean house with such a PB or perhaps they feel they don't need it that everyone will pay MSRP?

The latter is probably correct. Crutchfield usually stays close to MSRP unless it's a clearance item.

I notice the Fall '05 catalog has the 50" & 60" SXRDs with pricing and a nice little section explaining how wonderful SXRD is. Crutchfield must be among the dealers getting them early.

JasonColeman

08-19-05, 09:52 PM

jwv651

08-19-05, 10:01 PM

What are thoughts of using a battery backup (http://catalog.belkin.com/PureAV_detail.process?Product_Id=195291) in conjunction with something like the PF60 (http://catalog.belkin.com/PureAV_detail.process?Product_Id=178925)? I'd like the battery back-up protection for the lamp, but I also like the high-current handling and power conditioning of the PF60. What would be the best configuration for using the 2 units together?

JasonI can't help you with the battery back-up but I will tell you the PF60 was one of my best investments...still haven't figured what the high current plugs would be use for...every component I have has a plug already named for it on the back of the PF60...so what is the reason for the high-current plugs...Amps??

bz2yx9

08-19-05, 10:08 PM

I can't help you with the battery back-up but I will tell you the PF60 was one of my best investments...still haven't figured what the high current plugs would be use for...every component I have has a plug already named for it on the back of the PF60...so what is the reason for the high-current plugs...Amps??

I assume Amps and Subwoofers

jwv651

08-19-05, 10:18 PM

I assume Amps and SubwoofersCool thats were I will put my Sub...Thanks :)

JasonColeman

08-19-05, 11:17 PM

Yeah, they're for amps and subs, of which I have both. Like I've said, the PF60 is really the product for me, but I'd like the battery back-up to protect the lamp. I don't have a problem having both units, but I'm wondering what the right way of connecting them would be. I'd put the Amp, AVR, DVD, STB, and Sub on the PF60 and use the battery back-up for the TV, Media Server, and soon to arrive DVR (currently Tivo). I've got a 4-outlet dedicated 20-amp circuit. Xbox put out a replacement cord that has it's own surge supression/protection, so I could probably plug that right into the wall. Sholuld I connect the 2 Belkin units into the wall and use them independently or is there a way to benefit by connecting them to each other?

Jason

wtr_wkr

08-19-05, 11:18 PM

I just finished reading a lot of this so here goes:
Yes, the high current is for your 100x7watt amp.
Put components that do not like power cycles on the battery backup (PC(hard drive), DVR, TV,...
Put noise sensitive stuff on the conditioner (audio.)
Protection from very high voltage (phone, cable) thru the conditioner or surge protector.
I'll need to get a third UPS (batt backup.)

Re blind test - put on a blind fold and do the following: "Another test that I did was to plug a florescent light into the same outlet as the PF60, with the PF60 hooked up, I could not hear any “hum” from my speakers with no input source going to the receiver, but with the receivers volume at maximum. I then plugged my receiver directly into the same outlet as the florescent light, and did the same test. In this case, there was an audible “hum” that could be heard through the speakers, which indicated that noise was getting passed into the receiver through the wall outlet. Once again, the PF60 performs as advertised and filters out the line noise." Also try a halogen light and let us know.

Re 1080p - upscaling DVD players (with DCDi, etc), can add a lot more to a 480i DVD than just de-interlacing. The same will be true for HD-DVD, and the processing should be done at the source, not partially processed by DVD then TV. ( 00XX->000XXX, not what we want. We want 134-> 1,2.3, 3.3,4(something that includes rate of change)) The point is to correct the assorted artifact without re-introducing the interlacing artifact(outputting in 1080i.) Sat & Cable do not care since they can pass the un-processed digital signal to the TV for processing. It will be a while before we talk about the new, hot HD-DVD player with DCDi+++ outputting 1080p.

My agenda (we all seem to have one) - I like the specs but I need a wide field of view.

rogo

08-19-05, 11:25 PM

Plasmas still suck IMNSHO though I sell lots of them. The Qualia 006 blows any and all plasmas away. OK. Who am I to say your precious plasma sucks? Read Joe Kane's column in the 100th issue of Wide Screen Review for just how good he thinks plasmas are. At last he says they are getting better.

How well will the new Sony's sell? The picture quality will clearly beat any plasma just on resolution alone. But will the market which wants hang it on the wall buy RP. The true video cognoti will. But how about your wife?

Please, Mark, give us your opinion anytime. But don't talk about Joe as some sort of arbiter of all things video. Plasmas are outselling RPTVs -- including the good ones and the bad ones. People like them. Buyers are not wrong.

That said, I'm definitely in the market for one of these Sonys right now. In my opinion -- not some magazine's -- the Qualias are top notch and among the only RPTVs that are as satisfying as the best plasmas.

rogo

08-19-05, 11:29 PM

Oh, and I formally requested that Alan Gouger see what could be done about a Powerbuy. He said he'd contact some dealers he knows and see. AVS itself is not a Sony dealer and many forum sponsors are not authorized dealers and / or capable of getting XBRs.

JasonColeman

08-19-05, 11:36 PM

Mark, you go on with your bad self...:D

I might be able to use Power Buy prices to beat my local dealer (Jesus) into submission...;)

Keep us posted!

Jason

wtr_wkr

08-19-05, 11:47 PM

Re which way to use both: conditioner & batt backup. Ideal would be a UPS big enough to power the building (my friend has one.) So if you want to spring for the $$$, do an UPS that will support 20A of output (that's big.) Your conditioner will like it's new friend providing reliable power. Otherwise, you could run them on each outlet, or the batt bUp plugged into the conditioner. This is fine for low power and will pass thru the "isolation" that the conditioner provides. The "clean" AC output by the conditioner may be a little chopped by the batt bUp (depending on it's design and especially when it goes on batts), but it's still way better that the barf we get from PG&E in CA. Note, you would get solid voltage this way, so if sagged voltage degrades TV, this is a good way to go. (I do not have a blind fold to test this.)

So, that's your 3 choices, best first:
(1) UPS your building plus conditioners,
(2) 20a Batt backup with conditioner plugged into it (this may be a waist of $$$(do you hear any hum?))
(3) Batt bUp & conditioner. Since the amp (NOT SUB, it's only a few hundred watts!!!) would run thru the conditioner, the UPS would not need to be very big.
(4) battery backup for everything plus surge protectors (you still have phone lines to treat.) (this is what I do for all electronics, but then we had 3 bulbs blown in one day by PG&E (that would be light bulbs.(It's hard to blow a 100w light bulb))) Most UPS have good surge protection.

JasonColeman

08-20-05, 12:03 AM

wtr_wkr-

Thanks for the info and suggestions! I'm going to try to use both units together and see what works best. Worst case scenario, I return one or both and pay shipping/restocking fee. Actually, worst case scenario would be a hell of a lot worse, but I'm trying to curb my tangential nature here...:) I grabbed both Belkin units for less than $600, so I'll be happy if I get "very good" performance. My only problem now is packing them into this component tower and maybe building another shelf...:eek: Nothing a little pencil and paper can't fix!

Jason

bz2yx9

08-20-05, 12:04 AM

The APC S15 is an-all-in one that would support the amps too. It's expensive though. Here's another thread where this discussion is going on. Talk of the PureAV and APC lines starts around page 25

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=277384&page=25&pp=30

JasonColeman

08-20-05, 12:08 AM

Thanks, but I can't seem to find that mutha for a reasonable price. Also, though it's not that big of a deal, the front of those S10/S15's are a trainwreck...what the heck were they thinking? :eek: I'll try the tandem Belkin units and see how they work together...hopefully they'll fit the bill!

Jason

Uninvited Guest

08-20-05, 12:55 AM

I might be able to use Power Buy prices to beat my local dealer (Jesus) into submission...;):eek: You're gonna beat down Jesus? :eek:

You owe me a new keyboard if the diet coke I spit out on it doesn't clean up. :D

It's no fun out the nose either. :o

Update: 5min later, I'm still laughing.

dashadow

08-20-05, 12:59 AM

Linky (http://catalog.belkin.com/PureAV_detail.process?Product_Id=195291):)

Jason

When they don't specify pure sine wave output for a UPS that usually means that it outputs close to square wave, which they don't want to advertise, as it is not real desirable. I would not want anything close to square wave power going into my $5000 tv, not even for a quick shutdown sequence and bulb cooldown. Hopefully this is not the case with the PureAV.

I have been looking into the Panamax 1500-UPS as an alternative to the PureAV and APC units. I was originally planning on getting one of their high end conditioners before they released the UPS. Now I have to decide if I can make do with just the UPS.

http://www.panamax.com/products.cfm?group=1&sec=detail&id=259&ly=h

wtr_wkr

08-20-05, 03:07 AM

Good point. One of my UPS made a big deal about maintaining a pure, perfect sine wave even when power is cut. Good units will talk about this and the lack of sag before they cut in. For the $$$ we are talking about, they should all be good, or should I say, you should pick one that's good.

bz2yx9

08-20-05, 03:10 AM

PureAV is simulated sine wave, per the manual.

Egan

08-20-05, 10:28 AM

I use Exact Power components for voltage reg, filtering, and pure AC sine wave power for all my audio and video gear.

RonB63

08-20-05, 10:39 AM

I use Exact Power components for voltage reg, filtering, and pure AC sine wave power for all my audio and video gear.

Egan,

I had the Exact Power as my first choice to buy. What are your impressions? Please PM me if you know of a good place to get a price break.

I want to keep my Sony happy!

Thanks,

Ron

manktank

08-20-05, 11:52 AM

ok so, i've been reading this thread for a long time, but i never really paid attention to any of the qualia stuff, because I was pretty positive there wasn't a dealer with any on display anywhere near me. Well I found one thats actually pretty close by :cool: so as opposed to re-reading this entire thread I was hoping someone could be so kind as to maybe explain what aspects of the qualia are expected to be present in the 50" SXRD when it comes out? How comparable is the PQ? Contrast Ratio? Black levels? I know the screen will be different, but how? '

Thanks!

dashadow

08-20-05, 11:55 AM

PureAV is simulated sine wave, per the manual.

Presumably this is a marketing euphemism for block step sine wave, which is a minus, and I suppose not too surprising at its price point. The Panamax and APC units are quite a bit pricier, even without taking into account that the PureAV is available discounted from MSRP unlike the other two. The Stereophile article about these UPSs referenced in the other thread should be a worthwhile read - I think I will try to track it down today.

bhollis

08-20-05, 12:18 PM

There's been some discussion on this thread about the new SXRD sets using the XS series cases (perhaps as means of getting the new sets quickly to market). But I'm not aware that there was a 50" XS model. So, is the R50XBR1's case something new (albeit apparently modeled after the XS series cases)?

cpcat

08-20-05, 03:44 PM

Please, Mark, give us your opinion anytime. But don't talk about Joe as some sort of arbiter of all things video. Plasmas are outselling RPTVs -- including the good ones and the bad ones. People like them. Buyers are not wrong.

That said, I'm definitely in the market for one of these Sonys right now. In my opinion -- not some magazine's -- the Qualias are top notch and among the only RPTVs that are as satisfying as the best plasmas.

I just took a Panasonic 50PX50U back. I had it for about 2 wks. I so *wanted* to like it, but in the end just couldn't. The blacks were certainly superior to my GWIII, but in the end everything else about the PQ I liked better on my GWIII.

My wife called the plasma's picture "fuzzy" and indeed it was, especially in dark or reddish backgrounds, and I couldn't get over how much I noticed digital artifacting (whatever terms you want to use for it=pixellation, false contouring, graininess, etc.).

I guess one's pleasure is another's pain. I'm waiting on the SXRD.

Blue 911

08-20-05, 04:27 PM

Since the VGA input maxs out at 1280x1024, is anybody knowledgable about using Sony HDMI input for home theater PC's.

A Mac mini has been successfully connected via DVI to an SX996. Do you think this set-up would work on the SXRD's:

http://tenant.com/mini.php

The SX995 will accept 720p from a computer which is (nearly) it's native resolution. But the SXRD's won't accept 1080p. Can a Mac mini (other any other computer's video card for that matter) output an interlaced 1080 signal? Or is there such a thing as an inexpensive interlacer you could put between the computer and the SXRD?

JasonColeman

08-20-05, 04:46 PM

PureAV is simulated sine wave, per the manual.
This isn't my bag, so this may be a stupid question, but if I was looking for something that would provide battery back-up simply to keep the TV's fan running while the bulb cooled down, is it really necessary that the power supply create a pure sin wave? I don't really want to shell out $1K+ for this purpose, so if there are other suggestions, that would be great.

And I don't care that we're not talking about the SXRD sets right now...there's nothing new to talk about! :D :p yet...

Jason

Artwood

08-20-05, 04:54 PM

I took trigonometry once and was able to produce a "F" wave!

AlanBuck

08-20-05, 05:40 PM

I just took a Panasonic 50PX50U back. I had it for about 2 wks. I so *wanted* to like it, but in the end just couldn't. The blacks were certainly superior to my GWIII, but in the end everything else about the PQ I liked better on my GWIII.

My wife called the plasma's picture "fuzzy" and indeed it was, especially in dark or reddish backgrounds, and I couldn't get over how much I noticed digital artifacting (whatever terms you want to use for it=pixellation, false contouring, graininess, etc.).

I guess one's pleasure is another's pain. I'm waiting on the SXRD.

I have a GWIII also, and was considering the Panny plasma, or the Sony A-10, or SXRD to upgrade to a 50 inch from 42. Suprised to hear you like your GWIII over the Panny. I always have been highly impressed with the Panny in stores. Perhaps because it has a clearer picture, the defects in dark scenes are more visible. The GWIII just looks like mud on darker content, and that it what I hate about mine. Maybe we just trade one dark scene issue for another. I'll certainly look more critically at the Panny in that regard, and await the SXRD. I have a feeling we will be able to find SOMETHING to complain about on it also though..lol. The perfect TV is a long way off, plus the broadcast quality issues are even worse. Keep us posted on what you replace the plasma with.

mchrisbrown

08-20-05, 06:20 PM

bz2yx9

08-20-05, 06:50 PM

dashadow

08-20-05, 06:58 PM

This isn't my bag, so this may be a stupid question, but if I was looking for something that would provide battery back-up simply to keep the TV's fan running while the bulb cooled down, is it really necessary that the power supply create a pure sin wave? I don't really want to shell out $1K+ for this purpose, so if there are other suggestions, that would be great.

And I don't care that we're not talking about the SXRD sets right now...there's nothing new to talk about! :D :p yet...

Jason

When the power goes out you will be immediately pumping UPS power into the tv at its full draw for as long as it takes you to notice and shutdown - maybe a few seconds, maybe several minutes. After tv shutdown, I don't know if the fan runs off the main power supply for the tv or is split off ahead of that, so it's possible that the main power supply could continue to draw UPS power and supposedly be stressed by the non-pure sinewave current. For that matter these tvs may have a trickle current on at all times like crt tvs do and might then also be drawing from the UPS whenever the mains are out. It would seem that the real question is whether the PureAV simulated sine wave is of sufficient quality to not cause any problem in any scenario. Perhaps the Stereophile review answers this question or maybe someone else that knows for sure will chime in. If not, I would rather be safe than sorry when dealing with AV gear this expensive.

AUPigskin--

08-20-05, 07:08 PM

I was under the impression that the VGA input on the SXRDs would allow true 1080 input. I believe it has been confirmed that the new Samsungs can. Does anyone know for sure what resolutions the VGA input on the sets will take?

Sammys do support 1080p/60 via VGA...

SXRD does not claim to support 1080p on ANY input. Although some believe 1080p may be viable through VGA (although 1080p not listed in manual, others are for VGA), one would think Sony would have "claimed" this capability if it actually existed on the set. This is not an 'oversight' of information...

empire_of_one

08-20-05, 07:30 PM

c.kingsley

08-20-05, 07:32 PM

Any discussion regarding 1080p input on these sets is purely speculative. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Once the sets hit showroom floors, it will be simple enough for comfirmation to be made. Read the user's manual. On page 100 it states that the resolutions listed for the VGA input are only the ones that are guaranteed to be functional. In fact, the manual is so ambiguous, it's hard to glean any concrete information from it, other than the physical dimensions. Once these sets are sitting on the showroom floor, it will be simple enough to make the final determination.

yankeeman

08-20-05, 08:04 PM

You can get a normal UPS like this Belkin :

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=76&pcount=&Product_Id=171876

It's fairly inexpensive online and also has a simulated sine wave.

Excellant! I am glad this subject was brought up, I too was looking for an not too expensive ups just to keep the fan going on my SXRD that i will be getting. This looks just right. Do i need a surge protector too, or does this ups give me that?

AUPigskin--

08-20-05, 09:18 PM

Blue 911

08-20-05, 09:25 PM

I was under the impression that the VGA input on the SXRDs would allow true 1080 input. Does anyone know for sure what resolutions the VGA input on the sets will take?
Only what the manual says on page 100 where 1280x1024 is listed as the max. The footnote does say:

"If a signal other than in the above chart is input, it may not display properly or may not be dipslayed as you set."

What ever that's worth...

Don't understand why a 1080p set won't allow full resolution to be input. That's why I asked about DVI possibilites above.

cpcat

08-20-05, 10:46 PM

You must have had a bad set or something, because the PX50 I had was practically flawless. A lot less noise than any other big-screen TV I've seen and no pixellation or false-contouring that wasn't in the source itself.

That's what I thought, too, and I had planned to exchange it for another until I went back today and saw similar artifacting on every plasma on display, including another PX50. It's not that noticeable really, and I can certainly see how some might be happy in spite of it, but now that I'm looking for it... well, like I said, to each his own.

cpcat

08-20-05, 10:53 PM

Keep us posted on what you replace the plasma with.

Right now it's either the SXRD 50 inch or the Sammy 1080p 56 inch. Can't believe Sony put those speakers out there with 1 inch air spaces (for what reason?) so that the thing is over 2 inches wider than the GWIII. The Sammy 56 inch is narrower and the same MSRP.

AUPigskin--

08-20-05, 11:18 PM

bz2yx9

08-20-05, 11:39 PM

Excellant! I am glad this subject was brought up, I too was looking for an not too expensive ups just to keep the fan going on my SXRD that i will be getting. This looks just right. Do i need a surge protector too, or does this ups give me that?

It has basic surge protection. Many people like to hook up more expensive surge protectors. Many reasons for that, but mostly the more expensive stuff will last longer and adds filtering. More info can be found in this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=277384

resonator

08-21-05, 01:46 AM

Which of the newest 1080p displays accept true 1920x1080 x 60+ fps over HDMI or DVI?

If I spend $4000 on a living room TV, I would hope to use it as a large 2Mpixel living room computer monitor, just like I can with an $800 Dell 24" 1920x1200 panel today (only, it's half the diagonal size, which makes it more of a coffee table TV).

Is it really so hard to accept 1080p input? The HDMI spec supports this. The Samsung 45" LCD 1080p panel supposedly has no problem locking to 1080p. Even the 45" LCD panel from Sharp (model with the breakout connector box) can do it. Why can't Sony ever manage to get it right?

illafied

08-21-05, 02:33 AM

i cancelled my 60xs955 order after i found out this was coming out next month. hope i'm making the right decision!

Schwarzenegger

08-21-05, 08:18 AM

TV Tyro

08-21-05, 08:24 AM

Re blind test - put on a blind fold and do the following: "Another test that I did was to plug a florescent light into the same outlet as the PF60, with the PF60 hooked up, I could not hear any “hum” from my speakers with no input source going to the receiver, but with the receivers volume at maximum. I then plugged my receiver directly into the same outlet as the florescent light, and did the same test. In this case, there was an audible “hum” that could be heard through the speakers, which indicated that noise was getting passed into the receiver through the wall outlet. Once again, the PF60 performs as advertised and filters out the line noise."

Also try a halogen light… Hope it wasn't down in the basement. :eek:

[A]nd let us know. You are wicked funny wtr_wkr !

Interesting. Must be one of them double-blind tests. You can't see when you plug in the lamp or when you plug in the receiver. While you are at it, you might perform the following test:

Being sure to leave your door open, take off all your clothes and walk outside. Now, for approximately one minute (remember...you still have your blindfold on so you won’t be able to see your watch) squawk like a chicken. Can you hear your speakers humming? Can you hear your neighbor’s dogs barking? After a few minutes see if you can hear sirens. Can you tell if it is an ambulance or the police? If the sirens get closer and then stop, you may hear the following: “Okay buddy, let’s take a trip downtown.” This means it is the police. On the other hand, you may hear, “Okay lady, let’s take a trip downtown.” This means it's the police and you need to lose a few pounds and pay more attention to all those unwanted e-mails we guys constantly receive. You may now take off the blindfold.

cpcat

08-21-05, 08:35 AM

just realized that the 50inch SXRD is the most expensive RPTV of its size. in europe you can even get HD-ready plasma-TVs at this size for less money (of course no sony but some no-name products). hopefully it is worth it's money.

The Panasonic 50PX50U plasma will have a MSRP of around 3999.00 after the end of this month here in the U.S. It's already close to that now.

It's not just price though. Plasma is not necessarily the overall best PQ IMO.
It definitely has "wow" factor but up to now it's relative inaccessabilty to most of us has put it in somewhat of a "pie in the sky" category that I don't think it deserves. You need to look for yourself and decide.

Schwarzenegger

08-21-05, 09:25 AM

yankeeman

08-21-05, 09:45 AM

It has basic surge protection. Many people like to hook up more expensive surge protectors. Many reasons for that, but mostly the more expensive stuff will last longer and adds filtering. More info can be found in this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=277384

Thanks for the info. I will read that thread shortly. Even though the answer to this may be in the thread, let me ask you as you seem to have a lot of knowledge, if i put a surge protector with the UPS would i have the surge protector plugged into the wall then the UPS plugged into the surge protector, or vice versa? Thanks.

AlanBuck

08-21-05, 09:57 AM

AlanBuck

08-21-05, 10:01 AM

i cancelled my 60xs955 order after i found out this was coming out next month. hope i'm making the right decision!

You really can't go wrong. If you like the SXRD a lot better you won. If you aren't impressed, you will probably find an even better deal than now on the XS. Keep us posted on which way you go.

JasonColeman

08-21-05, 10:20 AM

I will read that thread shortly.
Good luck with that...it's 29 pages! :D
...If i put a surge protector with the UPS would i have the surge protector plugged into the wall then the UPS plugged into the surge protector, or vice versa?
That's what I would assume (and hope), therefore taking advantage of the power conditioning of something like the PF60, yet having battery back-up for a couple of components, too. I've looked at the Panamax and the APC, and they're both a bit out of my price range, but I'm still looking.

Jason

BenDover

08-21-05, 10:23 AM

bz2yx9

08-21-05, 10:28 AM

Thanks for the info. I will read that thread shortly. Even though the answer to this may be in the thread, let me ask you as you seem to have a lot of knowledge, if i put a surge protector with the UPS would i have the surge protector plugged into the wall then the UPS plugged into the surge protector, or vice versa? Thanks.

I'm certainly no expert on this stuff, but I have been doing a lot of reading here. There has been some debate on that question in the other thread. The consensus seems to be:

wall >> surge/filter device >> UPS >> protected device

Also, if the UPS has automatic voltage regulation, make sure the surge protector does not (most do not unless you get a really expensive one)

sycore

08-21-05, 10:29 AM

Right now it's either the SXRD 50 inch or the Sammy 1080p 56 inch. Can't believe Sony put those speakers out there with 1 inch air spaces (for what reason?) so that the thing is over 2 inches wider than the GWIII. The Sammy 56 inch is narrower and the same MSRP.

If the size and the price is a problem take a look at the JVC and LG LCoS sets that are also coming in October. The new JVC 1080p LCoS chip looks to be superior to the LCoS chip in the Sony, at least on paper. However, JVC's optics and electronics have been less then stellar in the past, so who knows if they have improved. It should street around 4k for the 61" and 6K for the 70". There are also the 1080p LCoS sets from LG that look to be the value price leader. I am sure the set will perform slightly under the Sony in terms of picture quality, but most people will hardly notice the difference at normal viewing distance. Their 62" is expected to street at around 3.5K and the 71" around 5K.
The good news is that both sets address the 2 biggest complaints in this thread. Namely, both sets will have their speakers attached to the bottom and currently both are slated to allow 1080p input at this time.

wojtek

08-21-05, 10:30 AM

personally i like the PQ that good RPTVs deliver more than the pictures delivered by high end-plasmas (both technologies have their good and less good products). but on the other side i always read in magazines that RPTVs do not reach the PQ of plasmas (personally i don't think so). i guess it's really a question of taste.

It's a very personal thing whether you prefer the Rear Projection look or the Direct View (plasma, etc) look.

I went to my local store on Fri where I could have pre-ordered the 50" SXRD for way below MSRP (PM me if you are in NY area - deal only good till 7 pm tonite).

Anyway, I could not pull the trigger. Despite the expected super-resolution and super colors of SXRD - it was the Rear Projected look of all the RPTVs in the store that turned me off.

Yes, SXRD will be better, sharper, more vivid - but the rear projected look will remain.

For better or worse, I have decided that I am a Direct View person. Probably for worse, because plasmas have their own PQ problems (noise, dancing pixels, poor shadow detail).

tonydeluce

08-21-05, 11:18 AM

The new JVC 1080p LCoS chip looks to be superior to the LCoS chip in the Sony, at least on paper.

Where do you see this on paper?

BenDover

08-21-05, 12:05 PM

It's a very personal thing whether you prefer the Rear Projection look or the Direct View (plasma, etc) look.

I went to my local store on Fri where I could have pre-ordered the 50" SXRD for way below MSRP (PM me if you are in NY area - deal only good till 7 pm tonite).

Anyway, I could not pull the trigger. Despite the expected super-resolution and super colors of SXRD - it was the Rear Projected look of all the RPTVs in the store that turned me off.

Yes, SXRD will be better, sharper, more vivid - but the rear projected look will remain.

For better or worse, I have decided that I am a Direct View person. Probably for worse, because plasmas have their own PQ problems (noise, dancing pixels, poor shadow detail).

hmmm, other than the difference that you can see when viewing the plasma from nearly 90 degrees off axis horizontally, the Qualia does NOT look like the rear projection TVs of old, MHO

CFoote

08-21-05, 12:05 PM

nightlaw

08-21-05, 12:25 PM

Is anyone going to order from Sony direct? On their website they are taking pre-orders for the SXRD, just wondering if anyone has any experience with doing so.

SlickVik

08-21-05, 12:33 PM

If I have to read one more post about a UPS, power conditioner, surge protector, or other power appliance.... TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!! This is for the SXRD information.

skijackz

08-21-05, 01:06 PM

Just went to a Great Indoors store (Sears) and talked with the Manager there. I asked him about the SXRD's and he said that they will be carrying both 50" and 60" but no Qualia's.

Interestingly, He also stated that they (Sears) will slowly be phasing out carrying Samsungs due to a high return/defect rate. He stated something about it violating the terms of their reseller agreement. They would be switching over to carrying more Mitsbushi.

I've been following the thread for a long time and the defect problems with Sony lately were concerning me. Like other folks, I had a XBR for 12 years before it finally gave up and now am on a refurbished (Sony Outlet) 32" until the new SXRD come out. This may have made up my mind of sticking with Sony.

Ski

JasonColeman

08-21-05, 01:25 PM

If I have to read one more post about a UPS, power conditioner, surge protector, or other power appliance.... TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!! This is for the SXRD information.
Dude, take it frickin' easy...like you've got some SXRD-related info to discuss...:rolleyes:

A lot of us are in the same boat here, needing reliable UPS/Surge Protection/etc, and we're simply comparing notes and throwing some ideas around. It's not like were interrupting a heated exciting discussion here...:p

Jason

mnc

08-21-05, 01:28 PM

I know these sets aren't out yet, but does anyone know if the protective screen will be shiny/reflective like the Qualia or dull/matte like the XS?

SammiK

08-21-05, 01:32 PM

Just went to a Great Indoors store (Sears) and talked with the Manager there. I asked him about the SXRD's and he said that they will be carrying both 50" and 60" but no Qualia's.

Interestingly, He also stated that they (Sears) will slowly be phasing out carrying Samsungs due to a high return/defect rate. He stated something about it violating the terms of their reseller agreement. They would be switching over to carrying more Mitsbushi.

Ski

Yeah, Dude. Heard the Same thing fom a Sears guy last week that they're
doing away with Samsung DLP's once they clear stock out. He was saying like around 1 of 3 is defective or gets returned. Just more bother than its worth to carry them. Amazing anyone would buy crap like that for these prices. I don't think much more of Sony's quality either. They seem to be going downhill too. Maybe these US made SXRD's will be OK. At least better than all these Mexican made crappy sets.

ext

08-21-05, 01:50 PM

Is anyone going to order from Sony direct? On their website they are taking pre-orders for the SXRD, just wondering if anyone has any experience with doing so.The only reason to buy direct from Sony is if you live in an area with no retailers who can get the sets. Sony makes you pay sales tax and straight MSRP. You should be able to get a local retailer to give you some kind of a discount from MSRP. Buying local you can return it with less hassle if there is a problem.

sycore

08-21-05, 02:17 PM

Where do you see this on paper?

Well here is the spec sheet for the public, there are other thing which remain propertiary technology which remains secret.

http://www.jvc.co.jp/english/press/2005/d-ila.pdf

JVC was one of the first companies to market a LCoS set back in 1998 and is
currently the only company to produce LCoS sets in large enough quantities for mass consumption.

tonydeluce

08-21-05, 03:10 PM

Well here is the spec sheet for the public, there are other thing which remain propertiary technology which remains secret.

http://www.jvc.co.jp/english/press/2005/d-ila.pdf

JVC was one of the first companies to market a LCoS set back in 1998 and is
currently the only company to produce LCoS sets in large enough quantities for mass consumption.

Thanks. But how do you get that the specs are superior or even close
to SXRD for that matter from this spec sheet?

Tecumseh

08-21-05, 03:44 PM

wojtek

08-21-05, 04:10 PM

Uh,
I am from Canada.
Uh,
could someone give me a 50 word or less recap?????
:) :D

No comment on the first sentence.

As for the second sentence, how much are you prepared to pay for the 50 word recap of a 2000-post thread?

Oh, wait - nothing??????

Well, then - keep on reading....

manktank

08-21-05, 04:21 PM

Work backwards, assume later information is more accurate, and stop when you see your first bit of crontradicting information. You should be caught up at that point, w/o bothering with useless conjecture.

Uh,
could someone give me a 50 word or less recap?????

westa6969

08-21-05, 04:31 PM

Tecumsehcould someone give me a 50 word or less recap?????
A10 is new and well received from what I've seen and for the more budget minded. It looks as if it will provide an alternative for the lower tier Sony consumer.

SXRD is 1080P and proven itself well via Qualia and is supposed to become Sony's next Trinitron and they have alot riding on this technology. I think they'll do it right. Just read the spec's/features and there is alot to like about it.

Perhaps it's not the Holy Grail but if they can take this to 60 and 50" set with 2.5ms response time and dynamic iris. Could set the standard for at least the next year as this price target - after all just try and get a Pio 61" Elite or a 65" Panny Onyx - we're talking pretty much double the cost. The times I've viewed the Qualia thread it hasn't been often that I've seen dissatisfied owners, but then again who can read the library of Qualia 006? Good Luck! :D

i_can_help

08-21-05, 06:34 PM

Uh,
I am from Canada.
I have read every single post in the Sony A10 thread.
I have read every single post in the Sony Introduces 720p..." thread.
I am now thinking about the SXRD TV's instead of the 50inch A10.
I see that there are like over 2000 posts here. Uh,
could someone give me a 50 word or less recap?????
:) :D
Please....oh pretty please.
Seriously a nooob and simply wondering if I am on the wrong track here with the A10s,
Bye

Easy. Go to www.sonystyle.com, which is the US site, not the Canadian one and read up. These new TVs are listed and the user manuals are available. What this huge thread comes down to (after what's on Sony's site already) is no 1080p input and no detachable speakers (they use the XS cabinet). There really isn't any more to this thread than that, at least on topic. Off topic, it's another matter... :rolleyes:

And frankly, looking at such a huge thread, I can understand the need for a recap. Perhaps the thread starter should edit his first post and list the available info.

rogo

08-21-05, 06:37 PM

I agree. While I don't doubt the JVC will be pretty good, so far no JVC chip has Sony's ANSI CR. And besides, I'm just not a little sure what's better about the JVC on paper when the two of them don't even spec consistently.

So far, the only JVC product that can touch the Qualia is the HD2K projector. And I -- among others -- think it's still inferior to the Sony equivalent.

tonydeluce

08-21-05, 06:40 PM

Tecumseh

08-21-05, 06:48 PM

Tecumseh A10 is new and well received from what I've seen and for the more budget minded. It looks as if it will provide an alternative for the lower tier Sony consumer.

SXRD is 1080P and proven itself well via Qualia and is supposed to become Sony's next Trinitron and they have alot riding on this technology. I think they'll do it right. Just read the spec's/features and there is alot to like about it.

Perhaps it's not the Holy Grail but if they can take this to 60 and 50" set with 2.5ms response time and dynamic iris. Could set the standard for at least the next year as this price target - after all just try and get a Pio 61" Elite or a 65" Panny Onyx - we're talking pretty much double the cost. The times I've viewed the Qualia thread it hasn't been often that I've seen dissatisfied owners, but then again who can read the library of Qualia 006? Good Luck! :D

Thanks very much for the input.
I think I might wait then to see the product on the floor.
The only thing is that the kids have been waiting and waiting for a new(first)
Big Screen TV as I read everything I can here on this great site.
Again,
Thanks very much
Take Care
Tec

westa6969

08-21-05, 08:07 PM

Tecumseh
You know who you may want to touch base with via PM is a great reviewer and member in Toronto - "R Harkness" is his member name. Does some pretty amazing reviews when I spent several months over in the plasma forum and I think he did detailed reviews of the Qualia versus the Panasonic Onyx.

Just figured he's right in your region and could give you some tips on where to view and compare and he is one of the finest reviewers on the Forum that I've ever seen. Good Luck! :D

nightlaw

08-21-05, 09:05 PM

Are any forum vendors going to be carrying the SXRD? Sorry if I missed this answer previously, there are so many pages.

Tecumseh

08-21-05, 09:11 PM

westa6969

08-21-05, 09:23 PM

nightlawAre any forum vendors going to be carrying the SXRD? Sorry if I missed this answer previously, there are so many pages. I think ROGO posted Friday that the Forum was going to try an identify and secure an authorized Sony Dealer to develop a PB on the forum. Whether that works - we can hope but it appears Sony has tight control over it's initial distribution pipeline.

I spoke with Vann's and they are Sony authorized but he informed me they could not get shipments until October and Sony is using some preferred distributors initially and from I've seen they are sticking with MSRP unless you have a Tweeters in your neck of the woods - where reports are good but rules prohibit posting those. We don't have Tweeters in MI. CC will but will they have that month delay also? I would bet we'd see some records for a PB on these. :D

Blue 911

08-22-05, 12:33 AM

JasonColeman

08-22-05, 12:45 AM

Sony should have developed two versions of these sets for more flexible pricing.
Indeed! They should have recycled the XS cases and glass and winged speakers...oh wait, that's what they're doing...and labeled them GW5 or Grand Wega SXRD or whatever....and then put out a set with new cases/styling, removable speakers, nice non-reflective glass, true 1080p inputs, and offer a 70" version and give them the XBR designation. Sniff...sniff...do I smell another conspiracy theory? :D

Jason

Manitu0

08-22-05, 01:04 AM

Despite what is rumored to be heavy demand, I think the price of the 60" SXRD's will have to drop after the inital surge in sales. BB salesman (who may not be the most knowledgable about specs, but knows what sells in his store) says at the $5000 price point, people prepared to spent this much will go for a 50" plasma. Granted it's 10" smaller, but thin plasmas still have wow factor and WAF. With respect to the 50" SXRD's which list for $4000, I saw at CC a 50" plasma (one known for its superior black levels) selling for just $200 more!

Also seems like a big price gap between the A20's and the SXRD's ($1500 @ 60"). Sure the latter is 1080p, but I'll bet the average BB or CC shopper couldn't tell enough difference between 720p and 1080p sets to justify this price jump. So competition with less expensive RPTV's and with plasmas will (hopefully) drive prices downward.

Sony should have developed two versions of these sets for more flexible pricing. One, an even less expensive "Grand Wega" for BB and CC, then another a more expensive "XBR" line for specialty shops with perhaps better styling, removable speakers, and other small tweaks. Even at $6-7000, the market these XBR's would be targeting would think it a bargain compared to a Qualia.

I think its fair to say Sony will be selling these sets as fast as they can build them. SXRD is a newer technology, and Sony has come down if you look at the Qualia 006 MSRP of $13,000.00(some selling for $19,000.00). I for one was estatic when Sony listed the 60" at only $5000.00. The rumor being that the XBR's are going to have a better smaller chip-set and the faster responce time, and the dynamic Iris... now thats just icing on the cake. :D

As with every technology, something new will come around the corner... say like 1080p inputs... this will be the next XBR, and Sony will tear down from there. I think its just silly to think Sony should have made a more affordable SXRD TV, I think they did what they could do and still turn a dollar, after all I'm sure they're still paying for this technological developement. ;)

-Dave

stepmback

08-22-05, 07:59 AM

Did you spring for the extended warranty, Step?

I have told Tweeter I would like their extended warranty, but have not put anything down. I am undecided about spending $500. They did say that the warranty includes one free bulb replacement. I guess my next question would be how expensive are the bulbs and what is their life expentancy?

CFoote

08-22-05, 08:07 AM

Sony should have developed two versions of these sets for more flexible pricing. One, an even less expensive "Grand Wega" for BB and CC, then another a more expensive "XBR" line for specialty shops with perhaps better styling, removable speakers, and other small tweaks. Even at $6-7000, the market these XBR's would be targeting would think it a bargain compared to a Qualia.

Indeed, it is going to be interesting watching these sets sell this Fall. There appears to be a major price war that is going to start this Fall. We shall see how Sony responds and how this affects SXRD sales as a whole. Remember we are a VERY small minority of the HDTV buying public (and the most picky! :D ) so who knows what the demand will be for this set in terms of the general public?

Blue 911

08-22-05, 10:32 AM

Indeed, it is going to be interesting watching these sets sell this Fall. There appears to be a major price war that is going to start this Fall. We shall see how Sony responds and how this affects SXRD sales as a whole. Remember we are a VERY small minority of the HDTV buying public (and the most picky! :D ) so who knows what the demand will be for this set in terms of the general public?
Yes, check out today's lead article:

Falling Costs of Big-Screen TV's to Keep Falling (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=571772)

According to the article, Panasonic's anticipated plasma price reductions will affect other dispaly technologies as well, so our beloved SXRD's will have to go down in price!

CFoote

08-22-05, 10:34 AM

Yes, check out today's lead article:

Falling Costs of Big-Screen TV's to Keep Falling (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=571772)

According to the article, Panasonic's anticipated plasma price reductions will affect other dispaly technologies as well, so our beloved SXRD's will have to go down in price!

Awwww shucks, the price will have to go down :D :D :p

tonydeluce

08-22-05, 11:18 AM

Awwww shucks, the price will have to go down :D :D :p

i just hate when that happens :-)

AlanBuck

08-22-05, 11:54 AM

I have told Tweeter I would like their extended warranty, but have not put anything down. I am undecided about spending $500. They did say that the warranty includes one free bulb replacement. I guess my next question would be how expensive are the bulbs and what is their life expentancy?

Bulbs should be about $200.00. Life seems to vary a lot, but you should expect at least 2000 hours. Some people have gotten 5000 hours or more from one bulb. Given the price of this TV, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to purchase a warranty.

CFoote

08-22-05, 12:05 PM

Bulbs should be about $200.00. Life seems to vary a lot, but you should expect at least 2000 hours. Some people have gotten 5000 hours or more from one bulb. Given the price of this TV, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to purchase a warranty.

One of the things I hope happens with the new bulb (5100 vs 5000 in the Q) is extended bulb life. 2000 hours is doable but will add up quickly. I also plan to use the 'low power consumption mode' (or whatever they call it) if it does not affect picture quality (I assume most of us will end up turning the iris down to lower the light output, so might as well lower the light output by lowering power consumption too!).

Chris

JimP

08-22-05, 12:11 PM

Uninvited Guest

08-22-05, 12:16 PM

Regarding bulbs,

We really don't have enough information about the life of these bulbs. For us 380 hr per month people, we obviously want them to last a long time. The Qualia 006 bulbs are rated at 2,000 hours. As these sets have only been out for 8 months, its still too early to know how long they're going to last. Also, they're different wattage from the ones in the SXRDs. So experience with them may have no bearing on what happens on the SXRDs.
If people search through the Qualia owners thread they will see some owners are replacing their bulbs even though they are still working. There were some reports that the picture was quite a bit brighter with the new blulb due to aging of the original bulb. I think some early purchasers from the Sony Qualia stores received a free replacement bulb available when they were ready to claim it.

JimP

08-22-05, 12:32 PM

Uninvited Guest

08-22-05, 12:51 PM

Those were 200 watt bulbs. Aren't the SXRD either 120 or 150watt?(don't remember which)

Enough of a difference to question longevity of the bulb.Your correct about the wattage difference. 200w vs. 120w.

I'm hoping there will be less noticeable luminance degradation with the lower wattage bulb. It's nice that the SXRD sets have an adjustable iris though. Over time if the image is less brilliant you can open the iris a little to compensate. I doubt many users would start out on the brightest setting.

This might mess with someones expensive ISF calibration though.

Uninvited Guest

08-22-05, 01:09 PM

www.twice.com has a brief article covering the SXRD press conference Sony hosted last week.

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6249676.html?display=breaking+news
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There were some earlier questions in this thread about who was going to be carrying the SXRD sets. It is discussed in the quote below:
Sony will distribute the sets through SonyStyle.com, at Sony Style retail stores and at authorized Sony XBR dealers nationwide. The expanded XBR distribution base includes both Circuit City and Best Buy, with the latter positioning XBR sets within its step-up Magnolia departments.

To support the new sets, Greg Gudorf, Sony Home Products Division TV marketing VP, said the company will launch an HDTV consumer education campaign later this year, to help TV purchasers understand the differences in the many options facing consumers today.

The program, which will stress finding the best display solution to fit consumer’s individual applications, will utilize TV, print and online advertising, and will include a major sweepstakes and a series of seminars kicking off later this month with plans to hit 1,000 locations across the country.

empire_of_one

08-22-05, 01:18 PM

To support the new sets, Greg Gudorf, Sony Home Products Division TV marketing VP, said the company will launch an HDTV consumer education campaign later this year, to help TV purchasers understand the differences in the many options facing consumers today.

Hmmm, I wonder which technology this "education campaign" will teach people is the best? I guess one person's advertising and marketing is another person's HDTV consumer education campaign.

Disclaimer: No conclusions about my own opinion of SXRD quality should be inferred from the above. I just find this kind of Orwellian doublespeak humorous.

Uninvited Guest

08-22-05, 01:28 PM

Hmmm, I wonder which technology this "education campaign" will teach people is the best? I guess one person's advertising and marketing is another person's HDTV consumer education campaign.

Disclaimer: No conclusions about my own opinion of SXRD quality should be inferred from the above. I just find this kind of Orwellian doublespeak humorous.Agreed. Probably the same slant as Pioneer's commissioned study "Pioneer Study Debunks Plasma ‘Myths’ (http://www.twice.com/article/CA6249756.html?display=breaking+news) ":rolleyes:

Pioneer commissioned research firm IDC and testing lab Imaging Science Foundation to compare and test the image quality of plasma, LCD and rear-projection microdisplay TVs.

JasonColeman

08-22-05, 01:35 PM

As I've posted, my local dealer (Jesus) is giving me 10%+ off msrp for the 60" SXRD. Are we thinking that 10% off is a given, and that deeper discounts can be had elsewhere? I'm not thinking of taking my business elsewhere (don't worry, Jesus), but if 15% off msrp is the going rate, I can use that to bargain (ie- give Jesus a beatdown).

Jason

RonB63

08-22-05, 01:37 PM

I Did Not Realize That The Sony Design Engineers Also Created Their Own Line Of Religious Clothing (please - No Offense Intended) :D

Uninvited Guest

08-22-05, 01:40 PM

I Did Not Realize That The Sony Design Engineers Also Created Their Own Line Of Religious Clothing (please - No Offense Intended) :DLet's use a little imagination. Imagine the same picture but the clothing is black. Now think fangs. What to you come up with?

I'm not photoshopping that one just in case. http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/dvv/asthanos.gif

bum944

08-22-05, 01:47 PM

I know these sets aren't out yet, but does anyone know if the protective screen will be shiny/reflective like the Qualia or dull/matte like the XS?

Dull/matte :)

yankeeman

08-22-05, 02:01 PM

I dont have the patience to wait for the price drop. After trying to get my wife to agree to a big set for 2 years, she is finally willing. I have been really upset this whole time, now i am kinda glad we waited as now I will be getting the XSRD instead of something inferior, but I can wait no more!

By the way, earlier in this thread we were discussing whether this 60" set could be used from 8-1/2'. Well, i measured my room again, and its really only 8' from where my eyes will be to the screen, but i just spent a bunch of time in a store over the weekend sitting 8' from the current 60" Sony and it was fine. No way i will drop down to a 50", as there was a real nice looking 50" set there also about 8' from me, and while the picture looked great, i felt like i was looking AT a picture whereas while i was looking at the 60" i felt like was IMMERSED IN the picture.

Also earlier in this thread there was talk about a UPS or surge protector for the SXRD, I just saw the Monster Power Home Theater UPS 500 which is both a ups and a surge protector for $299. This could be the unit for me, as i wont spend more money than this for sure, but its a low enough price to tempt me.

RonB63

08-22-05, 02:03 PM

Let's use a little imagination. Imagine the same picture but the clothing is black. Now think fangs. What to you come up with?

I'm not photoshopping that one just in case. http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/dvv/asthanos.gif

UG - What made this so funny to me is that (to my knowledge) it is not a doctored photo. I have NO computer skills! It was hard enough for me to simply block out the website logo in the bottom left.

westa6969

08-22-05, 02:21 PM

As to those that may think these SXRD's may come down in price keep in mind they've been selling the Qualia at MSRP for over 6 months and had a 30 day waiting list the last time I was at a SonyStyle Store. There's a large group of consumers with an interest in the Q006 but lacked the budget - with these they become realistic for many.

Sony has never been known for heavy discounting until they are phasing out lines - they've just started discounting the XS and XRB's. Eventually once they get beyond their chosen distribution channels the discounts should increase but unlikely the way Samsung's can suddenly drop in half a year later.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it happen but Sony has always kept themselves at a slightly higher price echelon and they won't have alot of competition with consumer public until perhaps the Holiday Season when everyone will have a 1080P on the market. After all, whens the last time any of us saw a commercial for any 1080P set - I haven't seen a single one - perhaps football season and the Holiday's will change all that.

Just go stand in the aisle at BB, CC, Sears where the uninformed public gets in line to buy what's available today without any research period from a person in most cases is trained to sell them warranty insurance and knows next to nothing about 1080P or SXRD - I still get the response "what?" and CES was nearly 9 months ago, how could you sell this stuff and not know? Oh Well perhaps Allan Gouger can work up a PB and do you think it may get tied to the new Club Membership? Good way to increase membership while providing a deal. Have a good day folks! :D

Steve_in_L.A.

08-22-05, 02:29 PM

If people search through the Qualia owners thread they will see some owners are replacing their bulbs even though they are still working. There were some reports that the picture was quite a bit brighter with the new blulb due to aging of the original bulb. I think some early purchasers from the Sony Qualia stores received a free replacement bulb available when they were ready to claim it.
I'm excited by the arrival of 1080p sets and all, can't wait to see what else the years reveal in the way of new digital tech. But, I've gotta say, I'm still a little disturbed to see that these manufacturers are continuing to foist multi-$k equipment on us whose successful function depends on a light bulb (19th century tech anyone?). Ultimately, that was a big part of what steered me to CRT RPTV last year. The Sony GW III and IV threads I was shopping seem to keep supplying a surprisingly strong stream of folks here complaining about reliability well into the second or third year of ownership (at the time, many had suggested it was just a temporary glitch Sony would get sorted out). I guess I'm forced to ask why Sony doesn't just push through the development of a 1080p plasma for a more reasonable price?

CFoote

08-22-05, 02:32 PM

Well considering that BB and CC had coupons (10% off) I am thinking 10% is going to be the norm...now Sony may make them add an addendum to their coupons saying XBRs are excluded from the coupon (just like stupid BOSE does with their junky speakers).

Chris

AlanBuck

08-22-05, 02:50 PM

JasonColeman

08-22-05, 03:08 PM

What would Jesus do? :)
Give me the best possible deal he can, I hope! Apparently he has connections...:D

Jason

Uninvited Guest

08-22-05, 03:13 PM

Give me the best possible deal he can, I hope! Apparently he has connections...:D

JasonI had a talk with Jesus. He sent you a message... :eek:

JasonColeman

08-22-05, 03:21 PM

And that's why he's The Man...:D

Jason

RonB63

08-22-05, 03:49 PM

I had a talk with Jesus. He sent you a message... :eek:

I wonder if his wink means that he will sneak in a little 1080P input at no extra charge. :eek:

Tecumseh

08-22-05, 06:03 PM

I had a talk with Jesus. He sent you a message... :eek:

Totally LOL

RowdyUSP40

08-22-05, 07:06 PM

As to those that may think these SXRD's may come down in price keep in mind they've been selling the Qualia at MSRP for over 6 months and had a 30 day waiting list the last time I was at a SonyStyle Store. There's a large group of consumers with an interest in the Q006 but lacked the budget - with these they become realistic for many.

I beleive there has been many sold for $10,000 or less... even a few months back.

Sony has never been known for heavy discounting until they are phasing out lines - they've just started discounting the XS and XRB's. Eventually once they get beyond their chosen distribution channels the discounts should increase but unlikely the way Samsung's can suddenly drop in half a year later.

The A10' and A20' were getting discounted pretty heavy as soon as they hit the stores.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it happen but Sony has always kept themselves at a slightly higher price echelon and they won't have alot of competition with consumer public until perhaps the Holiday Season when everyone will have a 1080P on the market. After all, whens the last time any of us saw a commercial for any 1080P set - I haven't seen a single one - perhaps football season and the Holiday's will change all that.

Just go stand in the aisle at BB, CC, Sears where the uninformed public gets in line to buy what's available today without any research period from a person in most cases is trained to sell them warranty insurance and knows next to nothing about 1080P or SXRD - I still get the response "what?" and CES was nearly 9 months ago, how could you sell this stuff and not know? Oh Well perhaps Allan Gouger can work up a PB and do you think it may get tied to the new Club Membership? Good way to increase membership while providing a deal. Have a good day folks! :D

I believe Sony has started to fill the pressure and will be more inclined to reduce prices more so than in the past.

Hopefully we can all get a good discount soon!! :D :D

CFoote

08-22-05, 07:07 PM

Agreed, westa you have good points but remember the Qualia was not a mass produced product.....the SXRD will be. Hopefully this will help :D I hope so!!!

gazelle

08-22-05, 07:19 PM

Sony has never been known for heavy discounting until they are phasing out lines - they've just started discounting the XS and XRB's. Eventually once they get beyond their chosen distribution channels the discounts should increase but unlikely the way Samsung's can suddenly drop in half a year later.
Samsung 1080P's will be selling for little more than half MSRP in a month or two. Look how far down they've dropped already. Samsung always posts a totally unrealistic MSRP. Sony less so. Samsung has a much larger profit margin than Sony on their sets, but all these microdisplays are very cheap to make and very profitable.

I believe Sony has started to fill the pressure and will be more inclined to reduce prices more so than in the past.

Hopefully we can all get a good discount soon!! :D :D

BenDover

08-22-05, 08:58 PM

westa6969

08-22-05, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Uninvited Guest
I had a talk with Jesus. He sent you a message... But did you read the small print? You get 15% and he gets a tithe and every Sunday before the Football Game for eternity. Do Forum Rules prohibit deals from Christ?

Appears we have a photoshop pro - LOL! :D

stepmback

08-22-05, 11:28 PM

TerryJ

08-23-05, 01:27 AM

I was up tonight reading the manual for the Sony. Since I put a deposit down I figured I would read the manual and ran across this little piece of info. on page 81

"You can alter the video settings (Picture, Brightness,Color, etc) for each picture Mode and each Video input.

You can setup a Picture Mode (Vivid, Standard, Pro) independently for each Video input (Video 1- Video 7, including the antenna input). Your Picture Mode settings are automatically saved after each selection. This allows you customize the Picture Mode setting for each type of signal source."

Not sure how common this is on other Sony TV's but I have never seen this type of function..... If I read this correctly that is 7 x 3 =21 different configs.

Also they have the 60XBR manual up now, not just the 50XBR
This is the same as the XS sets (one of which I use now.) It's great when you have multiple source devices hooked up to your set via all the various inputs... all of which need different calibration settings specific to their output.

I've got HD DVR box in component input 5... Pioneer 588a DVD player and Xbox (with HD pack) going through receiver (via component switching) in component input 6... and Oppo DVD player via DVI to HDMI in input 8. Each device has a different set of settings (in the user menu and service menu) to make them look their best. It's definitely a feature you will be happy exists on these sets.

-Terry

yankeeman

08-23-05, 07:57 AM

Here is the SXRD manual for those of you that want to download it....
http://www.visualobject.com/downloads/misc/KDS-R50_60XBR1OM.zip
Its on a web server serviced by a T-1 connection so should have good download performance.
I can't guarantee how long I'll be able to carry it though.
Please do not post the above URL outside this forum. Thanks.

Didnt work for me, maybe i waited too long. Does anybody have a link that works right now (8/23) to download this manual? Would really like to get it. Thanks.

rlb

08-23-05, 08:42 AM

Manual available at following:
http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/documents/specifications/KDS-R50XBR1_manual.pdf

yankeeman

08-23-05, 11:53 AM

I pulled it once everything became available on the Sony web site a few days ago. See rlb's post above for its location on the Sont web site.

Thanks, but for some reason, it wont download on my computer here at work. We have Adobe on it, and i get pdf things regularly. When i try to download it, it looks like it starts working, but ultimately it says DONE in the lower left but the screen is blank. :(

Very frustrating!

I even went to the website and found the link, and tried it directly from there and got the same results. Not my day.

snatch

08-23-05, 12:02 PM

I guess I'm forced to ask why Sony doesn't just push through the development of a 1080p plasma for a more reasonable price?

Sony isn't going to sell plasma sets anymore.

digimat

08-23-05, 12:29 PM

yankeeman

08-23-05, 01:27 PM

Try it again from MY web site now.

Really appreciate your trying to help. This time instead of getting the DONE message, it kept working, but it kept working for an hour without bringing anything up, so i killed it. I had clicked on your link in this post again. Perhaps some kind of pop-up blocker or other thing that might be on this computer at work is causing the problem. I will try tonight at home, only at home i am on dial-up which is slow, but maybe thats the answer. I dont want to screw around with this computer here at work. Thanks again bud.

westa6969

08-23-05, 01:52 PM

When i try to download it, it looks like it starts working, but ultimately it says DONE in the lower left but the screen is blank. yankeeman

I just downloaded and the properties are identified as Acrobat Reader 7.0 you may need to update your Acrobat Reader to version 7. I have to update a number of staff on my Network to 7 as some were still using version 5 and fails to open some newer PDF's now.

Also, if your at work and the Network Administrator has Group Policy in place locking down installs like I do you can try and do downloads to your hearts content but they'll never complete. On my Network none of my users have rights - only the Network Administrator can install or do updates so users don't tamper with settings or bring in pirated software. Users will think they are installing but Group Policy won't let it complete successfully. Perhaps that's what's going on and in that case your Network Administrator would have to update your reader for you to version 7. Don't know the size of your network but I have over 300 users in 5 different buildings and that's how mine is setup - I connect remotely to troubleshoot or deploy. Just a thought because the Network Admin is not likely to let you know a Security Policy is in force it resides invisible to users on the network. Good Luck. :D

rscholl

08-23-05, 01:54 PM

Has anyone seen one of these units live yet? Sorry I didn't feel like browsing through 75 pages of this thread. Is it supposed to be shown at CEDIA?

rogo

08-23-05, 01:59 PM

yankeeman

08-23-05, 02:08 PM

I don't mean to be a pain, but discussions of downloading a manual and technical issues really belong in PM, not the thread.

It's hard enough to track this whole thing that we have people asking if anyone has seen the TVs yet.

Oh, btw, they will be shown at CEDIA. :)

Sorry, didnt mean to bug you, but remember, sometimes other people might be interested in this stuff too, it does relate to the tv we are all interested in.

Will try to use PM when i can. :)

AlanBuck

08-23-05, 02:10 PM

I don't mean to be a pain, but discussions of downloading a manual and technical issues really belong in PM, not the thread.

It's hard enough to track this whole thing that we have people asking if anyone has seen the TVs yet.

Oh, btw, they will be shown at CEDIA. :)

Yes, in about 17 days at CEDIA I will finally see if these are the holy grail of projection TV's, or a small leap forward from the Grand Wegas. It is down to the 60 inch SXRD, the 50 inch A10, or a 50 inch Panny plasma. The day of decision is near!

RDO CA

08-23-05, 02:30 PM

I wonder why Sony doesn't correct their web site that is in conflict with the manual in several ways--it shows the mem card slot in the rear and manual shows front (as it will be)--it shows the hdmi with only 1 and manual shows 2 (as it will be)---it shows i-link with 3 rear and manual 2 rear and 1 ft. (as it will be)

I also see that the I-link is shown as i-link2 and has this description

" i.LINK®2 connector provides a secure digital interface to other digital home entertainment devices, iLINK allows for the secure transfer of copyright-protected high-definition content between these devices and your TV."

is this different than the past i-link connections meaning that now we can get all protected material on i-link?

Roy

Flave

08-23-05, 03:03 PM

For all of my fellow Canucks out there, Sony Canada issued a press release yesterday concerning these models:

Sony enhances marketshare-leading Grand WEGA TVs with industry-leading SXRD(TM) technology

New 50 and 60-inch sets deliver the full power of High-Definition TV
with 1920 X 1080 pixels maximum HD resolution

TORONTO, Aug. 22 /CNW/ - Sony of Canada Ltd., Canada's leading electronic and computer products solutions provider for consumers and business, today introduced two new models to its market share-leading Grand WEGA rear projection LCD (liquid crystal display) television family, featuring the Company's industry-leading Silicon X-tal (Crystal) Reflective Display (SXRD(TM)) technology.

Delivering a full 1920 by 1080 pixels High-Definition screen resolution, the 1080p (progressive) KDS-R60XBR1 and KDS-R50XBR1 Grand WEGA models complement two existing SXRD products -- the 70-inch QUALIA(TM) KDS-70Q006 LCD rear-projection TV and the QUALIA 004 front projector.

"SXRD is the next milestone in the evolution of High-Definition television and is the new standard for the ultimate in picture performance," said Toshi Matsuo, General Manager, Home Network Products, Audio Visual/Information Technology Group, Sony of Canada Ltd. "For consumers looking for the full power of HDTV, these models deliver like no other."

At the heart of the models are three new 0.61-inch SXRD panels -- one each for red, green and blue colour reproduction -- delivering more than 2 million native pixels each (1920 x 1080 pixels) for a full HD picture.

The panels produce a contrast ratio of 5000:1. Refinements to the panel circuit layout enabled Sony to reduce the pixel pitch on an individual panel to just seven micrometers, resulting increased pixel density, yields, quick response time and a brilliant film-like picture. More of the panel surfaces are dedicated to actually reflecting light than any other device currently available in the marketplace today. The result is a brilliant, film-like picture.

An "Advanced Iris" combines with the three panels and Sony's Cinema Black Pro mode to maximize up to 10,000:1 contrast based on overall light levels of the original signal. The result is exceptional brightness and sharp contrast. Additionally, the aperture of the iris shutter has been reduced in size, resulting in more faithfully reproduced blacks.

Other video signal process enhancements include Sony's WEGA Engine HD and Digital Reality Creation(R) MultiFunction version 2 circuitry (DRC-MFv2), which enable the digital mapping of not only conventional NTSC sources but also 1080i HD signals.

DRC-MFv2 utilizes a proprietary algorithm to provide crisp, clear pictures along with an Image Format Processor(TM) (IFP) technology that optimizes contrast by providing the widest dynamic range possible. IFP's enhanced motion vector algorithm also reduces signal noise without reducing the overall level of sharpness.

For greater brightness and improved colour reproduction, especially with reds, the new SXRD televisions incorporate a 120-watt high-output lamp, along with a new optical engine. That engine enables equal length light path trajectory for crisp and vivid red, green and blue colour reproduction.

The new models are digital cable ready with an integrated CableCARD slot. Additionally, Sony's S-Master(R) Digital Amplifier and SRS TruSurround(R) audio effect combine to deliver high quality sound through integrated speakers. Other features include dual HDMI inputs, three i.LINK (IEEE 1394) inputs, a PC input, optical audio output, and a Memory Stick(R) flash media viewer.

The new KDS-R60XBR1 and KDS-R50XBR1 Grand WEGA models will be available in mid-September at manufacturers suggested retail prices of $6,499 and $4,999.

SXRD Panel Device Specifications

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Panel Size 0.61 inch
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Panel Resolution 1920 x 1080
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Device Contrast Ratio 5000:1
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Pixel Pitch 7.0 Micrometers
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Inter-pixel Spacing 0.35 Micrometers
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Response Time 2.5 Milliseconds
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For further information: please visit us at www.sony.ca, www.thesonystore.ca, www.sonybiz.ca or www.sonystyle.ca, Sony's product information and e-commerce Web site, or contact: John B. Challinor II APR, General Manager, Advertising & Corporate Communications, Sony of Canada Ltd., (416) 495-3740, john_challinor@sony.ca; Michelle Cowan, Account Executive, Technology Practice, Silverhammer Public Relations, (416) 324-2024, michelle_cowan@silver-hammer.com

Mid-September availability in Canada -- that's a bit of a surprise!

RDO CA

08-23-05, 03:27 PM

FWIW
DTVCity is showing the replacement lamp for the new sxrd Sonys on their web site and they are showing a lamp life of 8000 hrs.---they have other things wrong on their site so this might be incorrect also

Roy

space2001

08-23-05, 03:29 PM

whhhoooo who thought I would have to wait for the canadian one to come out.

can't wait

BenDover

08-23-05, 03:37 PM

...

" i.LINK®2 connector provides a secure digital interface to other digital home entertainment devices, iLINK allows for the secure transfer of copyright-protected high-definition content between these devices and your TV."

is this different than the past i-link connections meaning that now we can get all protected material on i-link?

Roy

That is a superscript "2" ... if you click on the "2" on the SonyStyle site, a pop-up window appears advising you that i.Link merely is Sony jargon for 1394... :D

rogo

08-23-05, 04:34 PM

Sorry, didnt mean to bug you, but remember, sometimes other people might be interested in this stuff too, it does relate to the tv we are all interested in.

Will try to use PM when i can. :)

I'm letting this go, but 99% of people can download PDFs without problem. And while someone had a problem, it didn't relate to the TV. If I start asking for gardening tips to deal with my dried grass in this thread, I'm sure others could relate. But I'm also sure that once we open up the topic to loosely related or unrelated issues, we lose the value in the topic.

JasonColeman

08-23-05, 04:52 PM

If I start asking for gardening tips to deal with my dried grass...
I've found that water really seems to help... Maybe we can find a .pdf about it and then see if people can download it, westa6969 can tell us the ins and outs of company network administrative rights, and then Uninvited Guest can doctor up a photo of Jesus watering your lawn (with requisite Press credentials) and telling you he'll give you a hell of a discount on your TV purchase...and then I'll post a traditional Irish song that we can all sing while Jesus waters your grass..

Probably not the constructive response you were looking for...:D

Jason

Tele-TV

08-23-05, 04:56 PM

- Love the religious stuff on here. Like the pick from UG. And the one of the Pope. And the comments on the Pope's clothing.

Well, anyways guys....

- Just got back from Good Guys Pasadena (CA) to cancel my order for the SXRD, yes, I said cancel my order. :) The TIME/TIMING is just not right for me (NOTHING against SXRD).

- They had the 60XS955 (Matte Screen) right next to a 60" Grand Wega (sorry, not sure the model #) (Glass Screen), and the XS had better color reproduction. It wasn't washed out like the GW. This was on my own observation. Before the salesman told me the GW looked washed out because of the screen. If this is (ALL) true, here's hoping to a matte screen on the SXRD.

- All the best to everyone (not just in regrads to electronics, but life). I'll still visit this thread. LOL. But it will be painful :D into I get my SXRD.

-- MATTHEW

Tele-TV

08-23-05, 05:25 PM

UG & JASON PM from me. Thanks guys

empire_of_one

08-23-05, 05:26 PM

it's a little late to start trying to keep this thread on track. Luckily I've been following it from page one, but I feel sorry for anyone who's coming here for the first time and wading through looking for useful info.

i_can_help

08-23-05, 05:27 PM

first time sony has added this feature I believe...

my hitachi 60vs810 has the same features... even the model before mine as well..

Sony's just catching up....

No, that's nothing new, at least not anymore. Even the Sony Direct View CRT TVs have that now.

Uninvited Guest

08-23-05, 05:32 PM

If I start asking for gardening tips to deal with my dried grass in this thread,
Here you go, now can we get back to SXRD discussion?

Link (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0786888423/qid=1124832619/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1530394-2120748?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

Tecumseh

08-23-05, 05:33 PM

For all of my fellow Canucks out there, Sony Canada issued a press release yesterday concerning these models:

Mid-September availability in Canada -- that's a bit of a surprise!

Hey Fellow Puckhead,
I read that yesterday and somehow I doubt that it will happen. But if it does,
it would be great if the 50inch A10 came out at the same time.
And,
I am new to this thread and can't imagine trying to read all the pages. I have not missed one on the A10 and now being a fool of the First degree I am interested in the SXRD's. Capital L on forehead firmly in place!
:D

RowdyUSP40

08-23-05, 06:20 PM

This thread lost its focus days ago.

NO S#@*!!!!

There is NO new info anyway.... whats a little humor and chatter going to hurt? :D :D

RowdyUSP40

08-23-05, 06:24 PM

Oh, Thanks to Jason & Uninvited Guest for most of it!!!

And I do mean thanks.... a little humor and laughter is good for the soul.

RowdyUSP40

08-23-05, 06:29 PM

Yes, I know that. I just don't think it was fair of rogo to pick on a couple of posts about downloading the manual when there are many more posts that are much further off-topic.

Completely agree AK.

Uninvited Guest

08-23-05, 06:30 PM

Yes, I know that. I just don't think it was fair of rogo to pick on a couple of posts about downloading the manual when there are many more posts that are much further off-topic.FYI, life's not fair. :(

yankeeman

08-23-05, 06:37 PM

I would make a post saying that i had a problem downloading since i was at work and didnt know that the computer i was on had an ancient version of Adobe that the download didnt like, but if i said that it would be off topic, so i wont say it. :D

Seriously though, to all who dont like off topic posts, sorry, my experiences from another forum are different as there is more tolerance for off topic posts, but its a smaller forum and i do see where with these threads being so big, people want it to stay on a single topic.

So to bring it back on topic, who is buying a 50" and who is buying the 60" and why? For me, i just want to be immersed in the scene and i hate to sit far from the screen in a movie theater, i want to be close to a 60" screen to feel like i am in the picture. I am assuming the SXRD will have good enough quality to allow me to do that, but i would like to hear other opinions from people who think the 50" is the way to go, even with the quality of the SXRD.

lorenzow

08-23-05, 06:37 PM

For all of my fellow Canucks out there, Sony Canada issued a press release yesterday concerning these models:

Mid-September availability in Canada -- that's a bit of a surprise!

The new KDS-R60XBR1 and KDS-R50XBR1 Grand WEGA models will be available in mid-September at manufacturers suggested retail prices of $6,499 and $4,999.

"MSRP" is a joke. Sony doesn't suggest. They dictate. It's too bad they can get away with retail price maintenance in Canada.

BenDover

08-23-05, 07:16 PM

Rogo

...

Please take your pedestal and soapbox and let people help one another as there are no sets for us to discuss - it's all conjecture at this point. Are you a self appointed Moderator? :cool:

Westa...you've got issues! Although everyone saw through your veil when you lastly addressed rogo and insisted that it wasn't personal, by this post you clearly have demonstrated without question what you are up to...

I, personally, would like to see you disappear from this thread since I see absolutely no reason for your being here!! :mad:

Please go hang out in the Samsung threads and continue to piss them off there; at least there they are your "brethren" (no disrespect meant to the Samsung people, I use that term only because that is what westa has on order, if not already delivered...)

Rogo, I would hope that someone who has been around these forums as long as you has learned to ignore such posts and not allow them to run you off.

A friend once told me never wrestle with a pig since nothing will come of it and you will both end up getting dirty, difference being the pig will enjoy it!

Uninvited Guest

08-23-05, 07:32 PM

I would recommend everyone begin thinking about what they would like to post in the new SXRD thread once this one is locked.

Lighten up. Don't personalize everything. For Pete's sake stop arguing (http://www.chocolatecityweb.com/arguing.jpg) it's the internet.

Let's start a count down or do the wave... Okay the eastcoast goes first....

sycore

08-23-05, 07:33 PM

You tell him Westa. As long as it relates to the thread topic in some way, who the hell is he to say what should or should not be posted.

Back on topic. Does anyone know if any major publications will be doing a 3 way LCoS shootout between the 1080p Sony SXRD, JVC and LG. The only 3 1080p LCoS sets slated to be released before the end of the year?

wojtek

08-23-05, 07:35 PM

teacher, teacher, rogo is picking on westa......!!!!!!!

westa6969

08-23-05, 07:35 PM

Uninvited Guest

08-23-05, 07:40 PM

They have this thing called the Ignore List - Please feel free to use it - it works very well as I'll demonstrate now! :D
Hey.... where'd he go? OMG! He's INVISIBLE!!! :eek:

Shopgirl

08-23-05, 07:55 PM

As read in a post quite a few pages back, Alan was investigating a possible powerbuy on these sets. Has anyone heard anything yet?

Tele-TV

08-23-05, 08:31 PM

You guys are too much. That's why I love you. :)

- UG, your like the Energizer Bunny. You keep going! and going..... :D

- WOJTEK, teacher post. :D

- WESTA 'Ignore List' recommendation. And then UG's follow up post to that suggestion.

Sorry. Just had to give my props :cool: out. LOL.

JasonColeman

08-23-05, 08:32 PM

Oh, Thanks to Jason & Uninvited Guest...a little humor and laughter is good for the soul.
Thanks...we're here to entertain so that everybody doesn't get bored from the ABSOLUTE LACK OF NEW INFORMATION! There's nothing new to talk about...what the hell is the problem of goofing around a little...Jesus (my dealer) Christ...you fools need to lighten up a bit! :rolleyes: It's not like we're breaking into the middle of your precious frickin' conversation and distracting people. We're just having a good time...maybe you could try it some time...

And for the others here biting and sniping and fighting...talkin' about something that should be kept in a PM...That is what's going to get this thread closed, not our harmless clutterfun.

Jason

JasonColeman

08-23-05, 08:41 PM

Seriously though, to all who dont like off topic posts, sorry, my experiences from another forum are different as there is more tolerance for off topic posts...
Dude, people get their undies all up in a bunch...don't worry about it. It's just a couple of people grumpin' because there's no new info on these sets and they're sad because of that. Downloading the owner's manual to the TV that the thread revolves around is relevant...certainly more relevant than posting some stupid Irish songs...oh wait, that was me...:D :p

Jason

BenDover

08-23-05, 08:44 PM

Sorry folks - A person can like more than one set and afford to own more than one HT Set and more than one brand - I presently own a Sharp and Sony LCD FP which I like very much. I happen to admire the potential of the SXRD and have followed it since last year from CEDIA. I'm not going to join with you in a pissing contest your member name speaks for itself. I certainly have no agenda against Sony and the SXRD and I challenge you to show anywhere in this thread where I have criticized the SXRD here or in Samsung threads.

Who said anything about...:confused:

I have never criticized these sets in fact I haven't even made a statement that it is better than the Sony - as there is absolutely no way of knowing this presently.

My blackberry must be playing tricks on me again, did someone say anything about...:confused:

I do have a place here to share that even though it's none of your damn business I've preordered an SXRD with Crutchfield last week.

My bad, you did state on more than one occasion that it was either dlp or sxrd...I guess you've run into some extra money:)

I'm not in anyone's camp I like many TV's and I've proven that since I own 2 LCD FP's of two different brands and they both are fantastic. Why in the world d we have to join camps like a religion - they are TV's not a political party, religion or an advocacy?

Camps, religion, political parties (they aren't any fun, unless Bill Clinton is there explaining the whole Lewinsky-cigar thing)... did someone edit my post while I wasn't looking?

They have this thing called the Ignore List - Please feel free to use it - it works very well as I'll demonstrate now! :D

How many westas does it take to get me up to artwoods level:)

You have a good evening!

Finally, something I can comprehend:D

JasonColeman

08-23-05, 08:47 PM

And you guys accuse me of cluttering the thread...:rolleyes:

Jason

gazelle

08-23-05, 08:48 PM

As read in a post quite a few pages back, Alan was investigating a possible powerbuy on these sets. Has anyone heard anything yet?

Please don't interrupt this thread with relevant posts. There is a pissing contest in progress.

No Exceptions.

Thank You:)

hifisponge

08-23-05, 09:10 PM

I just bought a Samspun 1081p sets that so kicks the crap out of the SXRD. That extra pixel of resolution makes all the difference. I can't wait until they come out with 1082p! I'm going to make that second extra pixel my new best friend. I think I will call him George.

Just figured I'd contribute the nonsense being posted here. This is the Random Stream of Consciousness thread isn't it?

BenDover

08-23-05, 09:27 PM

Does the 1081p have side speakers? How about native 1081p hdmi inputs? Will you be able to play video games? Does it have PC inputs? If so, what is the max resolution? What do you think my viewing distance should be given that it has that extra pixel, I've heard that if you sit too far away that you can't tell the difference between 1080p and 1081p? Are there UPS devices out that can maximize the potential of that extra pixel?

stepmback

08-23-05, 09:48 PM

I for one have found Westa to be very helpful.... not sure why people have their panties in a wad.

rogo

08-23-05, 09:58 PM

hifisponge

08-23-05, 10:49 PM

I think 22,000+ post entitles me to suggest some basic forum etiquette.

And as for the issue about manual, the poster and I took it to PM. I'm reasonably sure he's content with my response to him. And if not, he knows where to find me.

I think that the only thing 22,000+ posts entitles you to is a Geek of the Year award and a vacation. ;)

Seriously man, you either need to need to get out more or find a job that pays you by the post. :D

hifisponge

08-23-05, 10:51 PM

SF_Theater

08-23-05, 11:05 PM

or, that many posts entitles you to a hearty thanks from those who appreciate the information and/or help received over the years

Tecumseh

08-23-05, 11:50 PM

Westa...you've got issues! Although everyone saw through your veil when you lastly addressed rogo and insisted that it wasn't personal, by this post you clearly have demonstrated without question what you are up to...

I, personally, would like to see you disappear from this thread since I see absolutely no reason for your being here!! :mad:

Please go hang out in the Samsung threads and continue to piss them off there; at least there they are your "brethren" (no disrespect meant to the Samsung people, I use that term only because that is what westa has on order, if not already delivered...)

Rogo, I would hope that someone who has been around these forums as long as you has learned to ignore such posts and not allow them to run you off.

A friend once told me never wrestle with a pig since nothing will come of it and you will both end up getting dirty, difference being the pig will enjoy it!

1/ This thread is way funnier than the A10 thread.
2/ I agree what fellow dude said about the sets not being here and therefore it is time to simply shoot the shite.
3/ Westa6969 has added a lot of info and goes out of his way I would say to help others understand HD stuff in general so he deserves some respect here .
4/ I mostly have no idea where I am or what time it is where I am and deservedly so, I should be helped along the path to salvation and understanding.
5/ I mostly have no idea, uh, er.....never mind.....Can't sleep, Clowns chasing me!
:eek:

CarlosP

08-24-05, 12:01 AM

Thanks...we're here to entertain so that everybody doesn't get bored from the ABSOLUTE LACK OF NEW INFORMATION! There's nothing new to talk about...what the hell is the problem of goofing around a little...Jesus (my dealer) Christ...you fools need to lighten up a bit! :rolleyes: It's not like we're breaking into the middle of your precious frickin' conversation and distracting people. We're just having a good time...maybe you could try it some time...

And for the others here biting and sniping and fighting...talkin' about something that should be kept in a PM...That is what's going to get this thread closed, not our harmless clutterfun.

Jason

That's it!
Jesus! (Jason can confirm it & UG will link it) Just have some fair play or fair post!
My off topic contribution..
SXRD! Amen!

skijackz

08-24-05, 12:16 AM

I think that the only thing 22,000+ posts entitles you to is a Geek of the Year award and a vacation. ;)

Seriously man, you either need to need to get out more or find a job that pays you by the post. :D

:eek: Coke squirting out the nose definitely hurts :eek:

RonB63

08-24-05, 12:19 AM

BenDover,

Way Too Funny!
Are you shopping for a little brother to go along with your behemoth?

BenDover

08-24-05, 12:25 AM

BenDover,

Way Too Funny!
Are you shopping for a little brother to go along with your behemoth?

Ron...Yes. At least one, possibly two :)

RonB63

08-24-05, 12:32 AM

Ron...Yes. At least one, possibly two :)

For today you are my hero! At this stage of the game a person having 3 SXRD tv's should have to pay some sort of painfully high special taxation. :cool:

BenDover

08-24-05, 12:37 AM

For today you are my hero! At this stage of the game a person having 3 SXRD tv's should have to pay some sort of painfully high special taxation. :cool:

Yes, and I lose my Divorce Exemption status!

NetBum

08-24-05, 04:06 AM

AlanBuck

08-24-05, 08:56 AM

[QUOTE=AlanBuck]I have seen the Sammy in stores...good, but not super impressive at all IMHO. All kinds of artifacts, and weird things going on in the dark scenes and backgrounds. I hate to tell you this, but the Panny plasma nearby was far better.

Interesting,must have been a lousy connection,They looked Dam good at Magnolia Right next to the Qualia.
I seem to be finding alot of stores have poor source or connections...or something.
No artifacts AT ALL.( My wife thought it looked better then the Qual).
Had to try and point out a few things that were not quite as clear on the Sammy.
And not by much.

The only thing for me will be the size,i need something around 70" for my great room.
Is it too much to ask/think there will be an affordable 70" SXRD in the future?
Other wise,the New Sammy 1080 is the next best.
Got a good viewing education those two days at Magnolia. :eek:
(if reliability is a problem with the new Sammys,that also would give me another reason to wait for the new SXRD,s).

Everytime anyone says a bad thing about a TV, it is always blamed on a 'lousy connection'..lol. I didn't get the impression it had poor feed at all. The picture was nice...just not a quantum leap better than the other DLP's, and other projection TV's around it. I always see all sorts of artifacts, and noise in the dark areas of the Sammys. The Panny plasma nearby was far more like 'looking out a window' and being in the scene. All I was saying is this TV is not the next great leap in rear projection TV quality IMHO. Maybe the SXRD won't be either...CEDIA will tell the tale in about 2 weeks.

mchrisbrown

08-24-05, 09:46 AM

Sorry to interrupt the comedy show but I just saw some info I hadn't seen before on the Sony website. If you click on the pre-order button for the 50" it says it will be available on or around Sept 16. The estimated availability day for the 60" is Sept 23. I'm not sure but I think this is new info.

NorthJersey

08-24-05, 10:10 AM

Westa...you've got issues! Although everyone saw through your veil when you lastly addressed rogo and insisted that it wasn't personal, by this post you clearly have demonstrated without question what you are up to...

I, personally, would like to see you disappear from this thread since I see absolutely no reason for your being here!! :mad:

Please go hang out in the Samsung threads and continue to piss them off there; at least there they are your "brethren" (no disrespect meant to the Samsung people, I use that term only because that is what westa has on order, if not already delivered...)

Rogo, I would hope that someone who has been around these forums as long as you has learned to ignore such posts and not allow them to run you off.

A friend once told me never wrestle with a pig since nothing will come of it and you will both end up getting dirty, difference being the pig will enjoy it!

amen, Ben. I thought Westa got kicked out of the Samsung threads because he was incredibly rude there too. That's why he created his own thread, and continues to reply to his own posts, while no one else seems to post in it. Almost like he's talking to himself, first sign of pure insanity

lorenzow

08-24-05, 10:32 AM

amen, Ben. I thought Westa got kicked out of the Samsung threads because he was incredibly rude there too. That's why he created his own thread, and continues to reply to his own posts, while no one else seems to post in it. Almost like he's talking to himself, first sign of pure insanity

What's not rude about all these anti-Westa posts? The man's entitled to an opinion, biased or not.

c.kingsley

08-24-05, 10:42 AM

I agree. But, apparently once one has wasted enough time to post 22k times on a message board one is entitled to dictate to others what content is or is not acceptable. :rolleyes:

JimP

08-24-05, 10:54 AM

I agree. But, apparently once one has wasted enough time to post 22k times on a message board one is entitled to dictate to others what content is or is not acceptable. :rolleyes:

Only if you own the website. :D

Lets face it, we've chatted to death a TV that won't be out for another 3 or 4 weeks. What does it hurt to go off topic. :) When the sets actually get released, an owner thread will get started where you can go for actual information based on " a real live TV" and not so much speculation. That's where we need to stay on topic and not clutter it with post like mine. :eek:

Uninvited Guest

08-24-05, 11:17 AM

Only if you own the website. :D

Lets face it, we've chatted to death a TV that won't be out for another 3 or 4 weeks. What does it hurt to go off topic. :) When the sets actually get released, an owner thread will get started where you can go for actual information based on " a real live TV" and not so much speculation. That's where we need to stay on topic and not clutter it with post like mine. :eek:Yea! Like the Qualia 006 owners thread. :D ;)

jb007

08-24-05, 12:57 PM

[QUOTE=AlanBuck]Its true that the 1080p DLPs are not a quantum leap better than the 720p sets. To expect this would be unreasonable. I think they are better but its not night and day. I would think the same will be true of the 1080p SXRD sets relative to the 720p/768p sets, especially at the 50" size. They will be better but anyone expecting them to be immensely better is probably going to be disappointed. As with the 1080p DLPs there will be a bunch of people that won't be able to see the difference beteen the 1080p SXRDs and the 720p/768p RP-LCDs and won't see point of paying an additional $1-2K, especially at the 50" size.

You may be correct; however, your assumptions are based on 720p DLP to 1080p DLP. I predict there will be a greater difference going from 720p/768p RP-LCD to 1080p SXRD, because there is a difference in the technology, not just the resolution.

slimoli

08-24-05, 01:14 PM

I think the Qualia 006 has a MUCH better picture than any set I have seen so far. That's what I expect : A 60" with a picture quality as good as the Qualia.

digimat

08-24-05, 01:45 PM

I think the Qualia 006 has a MUCH better picture than any set I have seen so far. That's what I expect : A 60" with a picture quality as good as the Qualia.

I think you expect too much from a tv that is a third of the price, I doubt its performance is equal to that of the qualia.

rogo

08-24-05, 01:54 PM

or, that many posts entitles you to a hearty thanks from those who appreciate the information and/or help received over the years

Thanks for the kind words. That's why I bother. :)

AlanBuck

08-24-05, 02:23 PM

I think the Qualia 006 has a MUCH better picture than any set I have seen so far. That's what I expect : A 60" with a picture quality as good as the Qualia.

I am hoping you are right...IF the SXRD is really superior to all other RPTV's, I will purchase a 60 inch for sure. If it is only comparable to the 1080P Sammys, I will take a pass for now, and buy an A-10 50 inch, or a 50 inch Panny plasma. I am REALLY looking forward to CEDIA in 2 weeks!

Blue 911

08-24-05, 02:53 PM

Went by my local BB, which is actually only a 2/3's version of a full size BB. The 60SX995 was no longer on display. New SXRD's will be coming they said. Didn't know exactly when.

Looked at the Panny 50" plasma (50PX50U) hanging in its place. Very nice PQ with excellent depth to image. Very tempting, but will wait to compare it to the SXRD. We'll see what Panny prices drop to.

TV Tyro

08-24-05, 02:55 PM

As one who has contributed what I hoped were funny posts (I have received compliments for my efforts numbering in the nones) to help kill the time before the sets arrive, I would like to add my thanks to Rogo also. He has been kind enough to respond to pm's I have sent him and I am sure he receives more than I would wish to deal with. I have been lurking around this thread for at least three years and you soon find there are those whose post are to be paid special attention if you are seeking information as well opinion. I consider Rogo to be one of those posters.

I have enjoyed the humorous posts made here by others. I might find an occasion to post one again if the situation presents itself. However, if Rogo is upset by this, he has merely to send me a personal message indictating such and I will cease doing so. Attention must be paid to those who really make this board the great source of information it is.

JasonColeman

08-24-05, 04:15 PM

As one who has contributed what I hoped were funny posts...
Absolutely...many are classics...especially the "Foundation"...:eek: :D
However, if Rogo is upset by this....
If Rogo is upset by this, he needs to seriously lighten up. Absolutely no disrespect intended, because Mark has helped me out on numerous occasions and is a regular contributor to many good threads, and he and I have PM'd each other back and forth about a few things, but if his (over?)reaction to some goofing around is going to spoil other people's fun, then that's just lame. Again...no disrespect intended, but just because you have a sh'load of posts under your belt, that doesn't make you a moderator or steerer of the thread. There are a heck of a lot of other posters that have been with this thread longer than him.

And finally, just to make my earlier point absolutely crystal clear...I sincerely doubt there will be any shenanigans once these sets actually arrive. People will actually have something to talk about, instead of just coming to the thread to goof around with their (our) buddies...:D

Jason

AlanBuck

08-24-05, 04:16 PM

Have you considered the 52" Mits 1080p DLP or the Toshiba 56" 1080p DLP?

I really don't care for DLP. I tried a Sammy once..the rainbows were annoying, plus it gave me a headache to watch it. I returned it for a Sony GWIII, and in spite of the so-so black levels I have been much happier. The GWIII is a 42 incher though...I want a BIGGER TV! :)

CFoote

08-24-05, 05:34 PM

And finally, just to make my earlier point absolutely crystal clear...I sincerely doubt there will be any shenanigans once these sets actually arrive. People will actually have something to talk about, instead of just coming to the thread to goof around with their (our) buddies...:D

Jason

I agree completely. I'd love to have more SXRD bits 'n pieces to talk about, but unless we can fast forward 3 weeks (trust me I wish we could!!!) there's not a whole heck of a lot we can talk about unless people start seeing these things and posting reviews and impressions.

Uninvited Guest

08-24-05, 05:38 PM

I agree completely. I'd love to have more SXRD bits 'n pieces to talk about, but unless we can fast forward 3 weeks (trust me I wish we could!!!) there's not a whole heck of a lot we can talk about unless people start seeing these things and posting reviews and impressions.You don't want me to start doing impressions...:eek:

mchrisbrown

08-24-05, 05:45 PM

Uninvited Guest

08-24-05, 05:57 PM

AlanBuck

08-24-05, 06:03 PM

You're well past the 7'-0" minimum for the 60". I attached the diagram from the manual. I would get the 60".

Most people would prefer the 60 inch at 10 plus feet, but I would advise you study your preference carefully in the stores, and better yet have exchange rights, in case the size you buy doesn't please you at home. People vary a lot on what distance they like to a given screen, and no 'expert' can say what is right for YOU.

sophie

08-24-05, 06:24 PM

I sit about 10 feet from my Qualia. No complaints whatsoever. In another room I'll get the 60 SXRD at about 11 feet viewing distance. If the 60 SXRD even approaches the Q in PQ, I'm satisfied. Even if this TV is a stop-gap until a Dumbo-less, 1080P input set comes in, I don't care. There are a bunch of people that I can sell this set to for a good enough deal that they'll appreciate if I really feel a need to "upgrade" in a year or two, which is doubtful at this time. To me, that's the cost of early adoption. In the meantime, I'm (and the rest of the family) enjoying life watching a great picture.

yankeeman

08-24-05, 10:36 PM

I've viewed the Qualia 006 at my local Tweeter and was very impressed. If these SXRDs look similar I'm getting one for sure. My question is which one. I'll be sitting exactly 10 feet from the screen. I want the immersive impact of the larger screen but I've heard that sitting this close to a screen this large can cause eye fatigue. Also, I'll probably be watching about 50% standard definition programming and feel like it will probably look worse on the on 60". Which would you guys get at a 10' viewing distance?

I spent more time at a store today looking at a 60" set from 8', and while i cant sit there as long as i can at home, i had no problems, and for me, the bigger the better, get immersed in the picture, i think you will be unhappy with the smaller screen which might seem fine when you get it, but down the road i bet you will wish you got the 60". Thats the theory i am going on, plus as posted above, the Sony manual says 7' minimum, so you are well past that at 10'. Go for it!

Oh yeah, of course the regular tv stuff you watch will look worse, but its worth it for the hd or dvd stuff you watch.

bz2yx9

08-24-05, 10:54 PM

slimoli

08-24-05, 11:04 PM

1080p406

08-25-05, 12:28 AM

Don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but crutchfield has both the new sxrd sony's in stock. Both are 1080p models.
50" model KDS-R50XBR1; $4000.
60" model KDS-R60XBR1; $5000.

hifisponge

08-25-05, 12:32 AM

I normally wouldn't clutter this thread with talk of competing technologies, but since there is no SXRD news to report, I think it would be interesting to post my impressions from my recent visit to the local Magnolia Hi-fi.

My decision to get a new TV started about 5 months ago. I currently own a Toshiba 57" CRT RPTV. Since a friend told me he has been happy with his Samsung DLP, I thought I would check those out. Back in May of this year, I posted my disappointment with the picture quality of the new 720p Samsung sets. They looked soft, washed out (both in their ability to display black and the color saturation), and no matter how I adjusted the contrast and brightness, I wasn't able to get very good shadow detail out of them.

I recently went back to Magnolia to check out the new Samsung 1080p sets and I couldn't have been more surprised. To my eyes, the Samsung HLR5678 bettered most of the sets on the floor. The picture was noticeably more sharp than the surrounding sets, the colors looked accurate and the black levels looked, well, black. For reference, the 5678 was flanked by a 720p Sammy, a 720p Mits, a couple of Sony LCDs, and a handful of Plasmas.

Had all of these sets not been side by side, the differences would probably be hard to notice, but the contrast and sharpness were what made the 5678 edge out the rest of the sets. Even when compared to the Qualia, the Samsung held its own. In fact, I think it would be purely subjective as to which picture looked "better" between those two, except for one thing. On the Samsung 1080p I could see banding in dark areas where there was none on the other sets. From what I've read though, the banding on the Samsung can be reduced, if not eliminated by adjusting the gamma settings in the service menu.

To be honest, with all of the talk SDE, SSE, rainbows, etc. in the various threads of this forum, I expected the picture quality to be much worse across the board than it actually turned out to be. I thought they all looked pretty good and if anything, it is apparent just how magnified everything becomes in these forums. I mean you would think that the current crop of sets would be unwatchable if you took everything to heart that is written here. The truth is, there are so many variables in the source, calibration, connections and personal biases that it isn't surprising that one person "loves" brand A and another thinks it stinks.

In the end, all technologies have there trade-offs and for anal - perfectionist -geeks, like me, you just have to pick your poison.

RonB63

08-25-05, 12:39 AM

Intersting observations and the last couple of sentences were right on.

bz2yx9

08-25-05, 12:44 AM

One VERY important thing to consider when selecting the TV size is the fact that most people will watch SD formated as a 4X3 on a 16X9 screen. This will reduce the viewing size dramatically. A 70" viwed as a 4X3 will be SMALLER than a 60" 4X3 TV and a 60" TV will be smaller than a 4X3 50". When we say watching a 60" from 8' is fine we are normally talking about HD or a good DVD. SD stretched on a 60" TV and viewed from 8' is terrible BUT PROPERLY FORMATEED (4x3) is watchable. I can watch HD on a Qualia from 6' but wouldn't watch stretched SD on a 60" from 10'.

Sergio

Following up on this - I have an old 4x3 50" Mits and just moved up to a 55" A20 (may get the 60" SXRD before my 30 days is up). Anyway, I knew going to a widescreen format would effectively decrease the viewable SD image I was used to. So I did some measurements. I don't recall them exactly, but the basic 4x3 measurements (with panels on the sides) were:

50" A10 - about 40"
55" A20 - 45.5"
60" A20 - about 49"