Did anyone notice momentary video drop-outs where the screen turned yellow? I got a few of those last night on both CSI and Without a Trace over DirecTV.



I did not notice. E*, TX.
(Shame i do not watch OTA)

I did not notice. E*, TX.
(Shame i do not watch OTA) Maybe you were blinking. :p
It was at the very end. It looked like subliminal split second bright yellow flash frames. If I got it over cable and s2silber got it over DirecTV, I would think it was a broadcast issue and everyone got it..

didn't notice any yellow flashes via comcast here. of course, I haven't been paying much attention this year. csi:ny is far more consistently entertaining lately. the batmobile this week was incredible.

Does anyone know who decides what cast members get the most air time? I've been really curious about this for some time now. Obviously, Saraha get very little air now, since she is leaving the show soon. I read where she didn't sign her contract because of money. And heck, Catherine gets TONS of camera time. Is it because she's the best looking one? :D Seriously though, it seems to be catherine and Grissom with the most time on camera. Is this based on salary or something?
nc

Well, usually, the order of appearance in the credits shows the importance of each actor and character.

So William Peterson is the star of the show and should get the most air time. However, the noises he has made over the years about leaving the show probably has the producers working simultaneously on grooming a replacement, and giving him time off to appease him. Last year, he got 4 episodes off, which probably were among the worst in history of the CSI franchise. I think Grissom is still the main attraction of this show, since he is head and shoulders above his NY and Miami counterparts.

Marg Helgenberger is next in the credits and is very accomplished as an actress, as well as the requisite hot chick on this show. I think it was her work on Species as an investigator tracking down the monster that got her the spot on CSI. But this show perks up whenever Catherine comes on screen.

Everybody else on this show, except for perhaps Brass and the ME are interchangeable and dispensable. Sara could leave and be replaced by Callie or Natalie from CSI Miami, and the show would improve.

She is sort of cute, atleast. :p

Did you catch her saying she could have gone to New York or Miami, but she chose Vegas? :)

I got yellow flashes also.. System is Cablevision of Long Island..

I got the yellow flashes as well. I just thought it was a problem with the playback on my DVR.

Speaking of colors, I have a question for you guys. On this recent CSI (Las Vegas), in two diffferent scenes, when Gil and one of the others (I can't remember which) were looking around one of the rooms in the dark, and when Warrick and Nick were in the dark house where they found the girl, did everything look green to you?

So William Peterson is the star of the show and should get the most air time.

FYI, William Petersen is also a co-executive producer of CSI.

Speaking of colors, I have a question for you guys. On this recent CSI (Las Vegas), in two diffferent scenes, when Gil and one of the others (I can't remember which) were looking around one of the rooms in the dark, and when Warrick and Nick were in the dark house where they found the girl, did everything look green to you?
Can't say I noticed this particular scene's color. But having modified my CRT RPTV recently (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11857507&postcount=30) (1-dB attenuator for red component input) to reduce a long-tolerated red push (color decoder), I've been constantly tweaking user controls to achieve 'normal' color again. As you might know, one display calibration that might be off enough to influence the hue of dark scenes is gray scale. The calibration forum has lots of information on procedures and gear for checking gray scale or hiring a ISF calibrator equipped for the task.

For dark scenes here flesh tones are often too reddish, which always reminds me of amateur still photography. Whether those with displays calibrated for nearly flat gray scale see reddish flash tones with low lighting, or perhaps your green tint, seems an important point. This expert calibrator (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11886886&postcount=4), also notices the frequent shifts in accurate hues between ads and different programming. So here it's now a question of figuring out what apparent color 'errors' might be caused by misadjustments in my display, or by production settings--or a combination. Overall, my added red-push attenuator has taken the irksome slight purplish tint out of deep-blue clothing, my goal, while letting me adjust the seemingly normal flesh tones I've had for 7+ years. My display doesn't have 'warmer/colder' color settings, but changing such settings when available should influence hues. -- John

I got the yellow flashes as well. I just thought it was a problem with the playback on my DVR.

Speaking of colors, I have a question for you guys. On this recent CSI (Las Vegas), in two diffferent scenes, when Gil and one of the others (I can't remember which) were looking around one of the rooms in the dark, and when Warrick and Nick were in the dark house where they found the girl, did everything look green to you?

Can't say I noticed this particular scene's color. But having modified my CRT RPTV recently (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11857507&postcount=30) (1-dB attenuator for red component input) to reduce a long-tolerated red push (color decoder), I've been constantly tweaking user controls to achieve 'normal' color again. As you might know, one display calibration that might be off enough to influence the hue of dark scenes is gray scale. The calibration forum has lots of information on procedures and gear for checking gray scale or hiring a ISF calibrator equipped for the task.

For dark scenes here flesh tones are often too reddish, which always reminds me of amateur still photography. Whether those with displays calibrated for nearly flat gray scale see reddish flash tones with low lighting, or perhaps your green tint, seems an important point. This expert calibrator (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11886886&postcount=4), also notices the frequent shifts in accurate hues between ads and different programming. So here it's now a question of figuring out what apparent color 'errors' might be caused by misadjustments in my display, or by production settings--or a combination. Overall, my added red-push attenuator has taken the irksome slight purplish tint out of deep-blue clothing, my goal, while letting me adjust the seemingly normal flesh tones I've had for 7+ years. My display doesn't have 'warmer/colder' color settings, but changing such settings when available should influence hues. -- John


Well, I have had a calibration back in June by someone who is considered one of, if not the best out there. I'm sure it's probably right, but being I have one of those Sony SXRD's (A2000), I am always worried when I see anything green due to their history.

It seems that the WCBS feed has a problem with yellow flashes. I've seen them today during football.

Sara is leaving as reported in todays papers. I thought she played a good role but leaves Gil lonely now..:(

So...how did last night's show (10/18/2007) end?

There was some severe weather near here so we had a weather alert scroll across the bottom of the screen for most of the show. Then, with only two or three minutes left in the show, the station went to what they call "wall to wall" weather coverage. We missed the end of the show.

Last thing we saw, the mother of the kid who appearantly killed himself was just beginning to be interviewed at the hospital (I think). We never got answers to what really happened. Did you?

So...how did last night's show (10/18/2007) end?

There was some severe weather near here so we had a weather alert scroll across the bottom of the screen for most of the show. Then, with only two or three minutes left in the show, the station went to what they call "wall to wall" weather coverage. We missed the end of the show.

Last thing we saw, the mother of the kid who appearantly killed himself was just beginning to be interviewed at the hospital (I think). We never got answers to what really happened. Did you?The mother killed the guy because she thought that he betrayed their friendship. She thought he was assisting her son in some sordid sex change operation.

Catherine explained to her that the guy she killed really did love her and her son and was a loyal friend. He was trying to help them with his exhaustive research of the tainted reservoir. Catherine showed her documented proof and explained that he was about to expose the polluters.

The mom showed no remorse. All of these years, she worked two jobs to keep her son in the house that he loved and ironically the drinking water in the house killed him.

It ends with Catherine realizing that they can not prosecute her and the water company will go on unchecked probably killing more people. She wants to leak it to the press but if she does she will lose her job. She doesn’t care.

Thanks, Larry. Kinda what I expected, but nice to know "the rest of the story", as Paul H. always says.

nice to know "the rest of the story", as Paul H. always says.
:eek:LOL:eek::D I'm listening to him right now.

................. but if she does she will lose her job. She doesn’t care.

Because she is leaving the show in a few episodes anyway, so losing her job provides an easy out (she doesn't have to die a horrible death).

Because she is leaving the show in a few episodes anyway, so losing her job provides an easy out (she doesn't have to die a horrible death).
She's leaving too? I know the other one is leaving. I didn't know that she also was going.

:eek: Oh I see the mistake I made. I wrote Sara in my post. It was Catherine who was in that scene.

She's leaving too? I know the other one is leaving. I didn't know that she also was going.

:eek: Oh I see the mistake I made. I wrote Sara in my post. It was Catherine who was in that scene.


Ok, disregard my prior comment. Now Sarah may STILL have to die a horrible death!!!:eek::eek::eek:

Of course, maybe Catherine will convince Sara to go forward with the info, since she would likely have to leave after the marriage anyway.

I read in the paper today the Jorja, Sara will be back at some point. The comment was that if the show was close to ending they would kill her off, but since they envision a long run they expect her back at some point. Believe it or not, your choice.

Note that in the past, William Petersen has made noises about leaving at the end of Season 8, so it's still possible Grissom and Sara may ride into the sunset together.

2nd life episode of CSI:NY tonight was pretty cool.

Yes, not into online gaming, but Wed.'s NYC CSI was intriguing. Someone made a smart decision to jump to a Part Two for the conclusion--assuming it's not one of those endless Vegas-CSI serial-killer-type of stories. A nice departure from the usual formula-type stories that require too many shortcuts for solution. See they're marketing an online game twist, too. -- John

Note that in the past, William Petersen has made noises about leaving at the end of Season 8, so it's still possible Grissom and Sara may ride into the sunset together.

Except that Sara isn't leaving at the end of this season, but in a few weeks.
Plus, if that were true, we'd already know about it. Hard to keep secrets in Holywood. :)

I noticed the listing for tonight's CSI is a rerun from last season. Only October and it's reruns already ?

Must be due to the Writer's strike.

Without a Trace after is new.

Walt

I noticed the listing for tonight's CSI is a rerun from last season. Only October and it's reruns already ?

Must be due to the Writer's strike.

Without a Trace after is new.

WaltGreat… :rolleyes:
I’m not going to be home in time and I just went through a whole rigmarole getting it set up on the DVR
Oh well. :(

Yeah, I couldn't figure out why my TiVo did not record it. Thought is was the dreaded "Someone..." bug, but no. I looked at the program info and did not see repeat either. Finally I hit info and say the original air date was April.

Reruns already. Oh, well....

I missed the last minute or so of last weeks ep. I assume they didn't charge the mother?

I missed the last minute or so of last weeks ep. I assume they didn't charge the mother?No... but fyi... here's the last 4 minutes (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11954423&postcount=264)

Thanks!

I think CSI is failing...miserably!

If the show last night is any indication of where CSI is headed, then it is in a sorry state. We see hardly any of Sara, Greg, or Grissom or not any of Warrick. It was the "Catherine Willows Show" last night. Catherine is good, but not enough to dominate an episode. Ans that new girl who may replace Sara, she is awful. Some beauty and no talent. Very sad last night, 'cause the story of the horror studio was very good. And dave and the guy with the baerd (I never remember his name) were excellent.

I also think CSI:LV should take example of CSI: Miami. They (CSI:Miami) have all strong characters who get pretty fair amounts of equal air-time (except for maybe H-man). Their characters are more developed and les one-dimensional. In CSI:LV, we hear very little of Lindsay anymore. And Warrick's relationship/marriage seems to have gone to the wayside.

(Maybe ranting a bit too much... )

Oh, one other thing. At the gas station, in the rain, that newbie girl handed the attendant her credit card. Did she ever get it back?

nc

I think CSI is failing...miserably!

If the show last night is any indication of where CSI is headed, then it is in a sorry state. We see hardly any of Sara, Greg, or Grissom or not any of Warrick. It was the "Catherine Willows Show" last night. Catherine is good, but not enough to dominate an episode. Ans that new girl who may replace Sara, she is awful. Some beauty and no talent. Very sad last night, 'cause the story of the horror studio was very good. And dave and the guy with the baerd (I never remember his name) were excellent.

I also think CSI:LV should take example of CSI: Miami. They (CSI:Miami) have all strong characters who get pretty fair amounts of equal air-time (except for maybe H-man). Their characters are more developed and les one-dimensional. In CSI:LV, we hear very little of Lindsay anymore. And Warrick's relationship/marriage seems to have gone to the wayside.

(Maybe ranting a bit too much... )

Oh, one other thing. At the gas station, in the rain, that newbie girl handed the attendant her credit card. Did she ever get it back?

nc

I'm confused. It seems you enjoyed, and hated, the ep?

I liked it a lot, but do agree about the credit card part. Not every episode needs to have equal time, for all characters, to be good. BTW, this is the first time I've read anyone praise the writing of CSI:Miami over LV. CSI:Miami is cheesy eye-candy.

I'm confused. It seems you enjoyed, and hated, the ep?

I liked it a lot, but do agree about the credit card part. Not every episode needs to have equal time, for all characters, to be good. BTW, this is the first time I've read anyone praise the writing of CSI:Miami over LV. CSI:Miami is cheesy eye-candy.

adpayne -

What I meant was that the story had a good premise, I just think it got lost with the all-too-much air-time of Catherine. And I was by no means saying the CSI:M writing was better then the writing on CSI:LV, I just meant that the characters on CSI:M seem to get more of an equal time on camera and those characters also seem to be less one-dimensional. :D

nc

adpayne -

What I meant was that the story had a good premise, I just think it got lost with the all-too-much air-time of Catherine. And I was by no means saying the CSI:M writing was better then the writing on CSI:LV, I just meant that the characters on CSI:M seem to get more of an equal time on camera and those characters also seem to be less one-dimensional. :D

nc

I agree with this assessment. To me CSI:LV is the weakest of the CSI franchise specifically because we don't get to learn much of anything about the main characters, and when we do its usual a very subtle, hinting at what is going on. I guess they are going for giving the audience a very outsider point of view of the characters (we don't even know as much as a co-worker would know) and that the crimes they work are the focus.

Been a fan of CSI for quite a while.

What I think is amusing about these last few posts is that on some other shows, people complain when time is spent on background information and call them "filler" episodes.

But, in all fairness, we really don't have a lot of background information on them.

...one other thing. At the gas station, in the rain, that newbie girl handed the attendant her credit card. Did she ever get it back?

nc
Not only didn't she get her credit card back, but she drove away without removing the gasoline pump from her car!:eek:
I gotta' say, I just don't like this show as much anymore. The cases used to be a lot more interesting...what was lacking in character development and insight with respect to the regular cast was more than made up for by the characters and themes in the individual episodes. It also used to be mildly educational in the ways of forensics and in all the esoteric knowledge that Grissom would frequently share. Now, it's just implausible, bizarre plots.

It was all absurd. :rolleyes:

Why would Artie Bucco:p kill that dwarf? He said he killed the horny little man because he was blackmailing him. Well if that’s the case why would he kill him and the hang him up like a piñata? And then kill the director dude too? His original motivation was because he didn’t want to get caught—now he’s got dead bodies all over the place.

And did I miss something regarding the burn face guy—why was he dressed in drag? I know he liked the first victim but what’s with the get up? :rolleyes:Stupid show.

I gotta' say, I just don't like this show as much anymore. The cases used to be a lot more interesting...what was lacking in character development and insight with respect to the regular cast was more than made up for by the characters and themes in the individual episodes. It also used to be mildly educational in the ways of forensics and in all the esoteric knowledge that Grissom would frequently share. Now, it's just implausible, bizarre plots.

With all the permutations of CBS's forensic procedurals, not to mention the other networks' variations on similar themes, it's possible that their writers have just run out of good ideas that are 42 minute episode-worthy. What a pity that the viewers appetite for this stuff appears unquenched. Meanwhile, great serial dramas that could brighten up the airways can't draw flies and routinely get canceled or struggle mightily in the ratings.

Considering Sara is leaving the show in a few weeks, why would they bother to feature her that much. As for Grissom, it was strange that he was only in one scene that I recalled, but next week with the crossover, he should get plenty of air time.

Enjoyed this week's episode, assuming they tossed in some tongue-in-cheek, grisly horror-production humor for the holiday. Don't follow the Hollywood insider stuff much, but thought I'd read the actress playing Sara, or her agent, bid themselves too high for a salary increase. Too bad they couldn't negotiate something. But her brief scene in the locker room, complaining about the murder rate, seemed to foretell her departure. -- John

This episode was aired the day after Halloween. It was a Halloween episode and was meant to be as campy as possible. It's that simple. Former weeks, and the rest of the episodes will be back to their normal riveting stuff.

And LL3HD, Scarface was in drag because he wanted to be his victimized love. He wanted to exact some revenge as her, not for her.

I agree, it was supposed to be campy, right down to Ronnie Lake having to go back and retrieve her cell phone and having a dead-on "horror movie" cower in the corner, babe in distress scene with maximum boobage. Katherine Willows has some competition in that regard now.

Well, as far as campy imagery and an overall better show for the Halloween factor, CSI:NY won that IMO. Actually, so far this season, NY is the best of the three, but it seems to be failing in following up on some of their ongoing plotlines also.

I missed this episode, but doesn't sound like I missed much. Glad I won't miss the crossover one this week.

Well, as far as campy imagery and an overall better show for the Halloween factor, CSI:NY won that IMO. Actually, so far this season, NY is the best of the three, but it seems to be failing in following up on some of their ongoing plotlines also.


There's four really. Don't forget NCIS.

There's four really. Don't forget NCIS.

Actually no. NCIS is a JAG spin off developed by Donald P. Bellisario, not Anthony E. Zuiker who produces the three C.S.I. franchises.

While NCIS has a forensic base it has a much different tone. Same could be said for Bones, my favorite of the lot.

Your right, my bad. For some reason I have always associated it with the the CSI shows though.

Do the lack of comments on the last crossover episode indicate the same amount of boredom I've had with CSI this season?

I kind of liked it. I think it was the best so far this season.

Do the lack of comments on the last crossover episode indicate the same amount of boredom I've had with CSI this season?

It was okay, but the Without A Trace Crossover part was a pathetic attempt to retain the CSI crowd.

CBS knows now for sure (if they didn't already) that Without a Trace doesn't have a leg to stand on unless they can "force" CSI-viewers to watch. If CSI is still going to be around for a few more seasons (it won't last long if William Peterson leaves), they are going to need to find a good new show that is not able to find an audience to follow CSI, not W.A.T.

My issue with recent CSI is too much of the personal story of the CSI'ers. I liked it when eps were self-contained and were 100% focused on the case, not Grissom and Sara, or Catherine Willows and her child.

And for the self-contained thing, I hate the miniature-killer crap. It was too much of a deviation from the standard CSI outline.

My issue with recent CSI is too much of the personal story of the CSI'ers. I liked it when eps were self-contained and were 100% focused on the case, not Grissom and Sara, or Catherine Willows and her child.

And for the self-contained thing, I hate the miniature-killer crap. It was too much of a deviation from the standard CSI outline.

Wow, the things you don't like about CSI are the things I don't think they do enough of. I need more story about the main characters, otherwise they are not characters, just interchangeable components that it wouldn't matter who was doing the job. I also loved the continuing story of the miniature killer, story arcs are what this show needed to become something better and I for one believed it worked.

One of my favorite episodes was last season where the secondary characters led by Hodges teamed up to try and solve the Miniature Killer mystery themselves. Of course it didn't hurt that Liz Vassey got more air time as well. I've had a major crush on her for quite some time, so the more air time she gets, the better.

That episode was horrible. The actor from Without a Trace sucks....I couldn't understand him...he mumbles too much. I hope CSi hasn't jumped the shark.

I didn't care for the crossover episode(s). I watch both CSI & Without a Trace regularly but I found the attempt to bring the shows together felt forced and unnatural. I hope don't make this a practice.

I didn't care for the crossover episode(s). I watch both CSI & Without a Trace regularly but I found the attempt to bring the shows together felt forced and unnatural. I hope don't make this a practice.

I agree, not only did I have a bit of trouble following who did what to who during the CSI portion, the whole idea that Grissom would take the remains/evidence all the way to NY to examine/test them seemed like a real stretch of the imagination. As far as crossovers go, I thought it was pretty poor job.

The semi-crossover that launched CSI:Miami was done much better, even the NY/Miami one was better and NBC's Crossing Jordan/Las Vegas crossovers were probably the best I can think of in recent memory.

And Warrick's relationship/marriage seems to have gone to the wayside.

It's weird. They announced he was married in a throwaway sentence. Then they announced he was splitting up in a throwaway sentence (in the episode with the blacked out restaurant.)

I haven't seen the crossover episode yet. But, so far, the season has been pretty bad.

I agree that the crossover wasn't great, but it wasn't all bad. I think the WAT portion left a little to be desired, but the CSI portion wasn't bad.

BUT, my wife didn't get into the show enough during CSI to even bother watching WAT.... Maybe that says it all right there?

BTW, I did pick out John Hawkes from A Perfect Storm as soon as he said something.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0370035/

That's the only thing I recognize him from.

BTW, I did pick out John Hawkes from A Perfect Storm as soon as he said something.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0370035/

That's the only thing I recognize him from.

Umm, I take it you've never seen Deadwood, eh? ;)

Art

Okay, we all knew Sarah was leaving. But I think there could have been a better show produced for this. If Gil is supposed to be a very shard, and he is also Sarah's boss, and, oh yeh, he and Sarah are "an item", is he not also "blind"> He should have seen this burn-out coming and should have taken steps to help her. Sarah also has a history of getting in trouble with booze (I think). Another inconsistency I seen last night was that when Sarah said she wanted to work on the case, Gil said that Catherine would be her lead on this. Not once did Sarah ever discuss the case with Catherine, only that young "twinky" girl who I cannot stand. Gil was also going to ask Echley(sp) about her being involved in the case. We don't see Echlay(speling) at all last night.

Doesn't make sense to me...

Another observation; is Warick leaving the show? He gets like no air time lately.

Maybe Sarah wasn't a stand-out character, but I think that CSI is good because of the synergy of its characters - Her and Grissom showing us their life outside of work. She will be missed...

nc

I liked her because she didn't look like a "hot chick" straight out of Central Casting intended for prime-time eye candy. Television still thinks you can put glasses on a model, give her some smart things to say and the audience will buy it.

I know the episode was focused on Sara's swan song....but that little girl was downright scary!

I think the writers went on strike early.

that little girl was great in her roll,give her another future episode .

I think the writers went on strike early.

Like at the beginning of the season? ;)

Another observation; is Warick leaving the show? He gets like no air time lately.

I sure hope not as he is one of my faves, but I wouldn't be surprised if it has something to do with his recent run-ins with TMZ. The show may be distancing themselves from him in case they do have to let him go.

only that young "twinky" girl who I cannot stand.Talking about Ronnie, the new "carmel-colored" assistant with the well-shaped tight V-neck sweater, who seems to be the new Barbie in town?

Agreed. Very unprofessional. Definite eye candy, however.

Sort of like what "Las Vegas" did when they lost Nikki Cox. They needed something new for the audience to look at and installed the character of Piper (externally, the hotel concierge, aka "official #1 hotel slut") who also seems to be the new Barbie on that show, a sidekick for Sam.

Personally, I had a fairly tough time getting through the first hour of the crossover episodes, but at least my favorite CSI team was in there. A bit tough to keep track of who, exactly, this Wicker guy really was, who were his wives/kids/victims, and what this was really all about. But the second hour was truly very very wordy and boring... and even more difficult to understand who they were chasing, where, why, which old victim was found buried in the dirt, etc., etc. And talk about under-acting and falsely emoting...

I do not normally watch W.A. T. and apparently for good reason.

I liked the campy "Halloween" EP quite a bit, but the crossover ep('s) were really draggy. I actually thought the farewell to Sara ep was done pretty well myself. Sorry to see her go.


ron

Wow, the things you don't like about CSI are the things I don't think they do enough of. I need more story about the main characters, otherwise they are not characters, just interchangeable components that it wouldn't matter who was doing the job. I also loved the continuing story of the miniature killer, story arcs are what this show needed to become something better and I for one believed it worked.

Interesting. Whether you like it or not, if you get more of you want, the show will die.

Look at it like two ends of a spectrum

Forensics Drama------------------------------------------------------Regular Drama

What made CSI so immensely popular in the beginning was that it was 100% forensics drama. Then CBS milked this and created a couple of new shows, NY and Miami. In fact these shows did prove that there were interchangeable components.

But people (casual TV viewers) got tired of the CSI and they slowly they have moved away from 100% forensics drama and perhaps today could be characterized as 75% forensics, 25% regular drama. They also threw in story-arcs. All in an attempt to keep ratings up.

This has probably kept the show from totally tanking (Cancellation) as of now, but the more it moves towards 50% forensics 50% regular drama the more it alienates the original fans of the show, the people who watched it for self-contained forensics. The people who wanted a show like those Discovery Channel shows "Forensics Files", etc., but a bit more interesting.

Without hardcore fans, all you'll have left are casual tv viewers. And all it takes is placing a juggernaut (AI, Dancing w/ the Stars) in the same timeslot to deliver the death blow.

Couldn't help contrasting the splashy colorful opening of this week's NYC CSI with the bland grayish early episodes. Last night covered the death of a groom before his wedding, plus a continuation about Mac's (Gary Sinise) mysterious 3:33 phone calls involving a 3-D puzzle of NYC buildings. Seemed like lots of fast-paced color shots, akin to CSI Miami. A welcome appearance. Now if they'd only dump that monotonous drum-beat 'music' track when the lab folks do their analysis thing. -- John

But people (casual TV viewers) got tired of the CSI and they slowly they have moved away from 100% forensics drama and perhaps today could be characterized as 75% forensics, 25% regular drama. They also threw in story-arcs. All in an attempt to keep ratings up.

This has probably kept the show from totally tanking (Cancellation) as of now, but the more it moves towards 50% forensics 50% regular drama the more it alienates the original fans of the show, the people who watched it for self-contained forensics. The people who wanted a show like those Discovery Channel shows "Forensics Files", etc., but a bit more interesting.

Without hardcore fans, all you'll have left are casual tv viewers. And all it takes is placing a juggernaut (AI, Dancing w/ the Stars) in the same timeslot to deliver the death blow.

What show are you talking about? CSI:LV was #2, CSI:M was #8, and CSI:NY was #16 last week. CSI:LV is now routinely rating higher than Grey's, its once juggernaut time slot competitor.

I thought last night's episode was terrific! Very best in a long time. I especially like the female "lab rats" when they get an opportunity to be onscreen.

Liz Vassey (Wendy Simms) is very cute and perky, and I find her very entertaining (especially Hodges' name for her character in his board game). She looks a bit like Marg Helgenberger's daughter facially, and they're both actually quite thin (I once stood next to Marg at an airport baggage carousel and couldn't believe how thin she was in person).

And I also like Sheeri Rappaport (Mandy Webster). Bright and nerdy, and very attractive.

And although she wasn't onscreen last night, Jessica Lucas (Ronnie Lake) is certainly a "vivacious" and "enthusiastic" new addition to the cast, who hopefully will get some more air time:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_xM0sPLtKXMM/R0HBdwwsFTI/AAAAAAAAADs/RQSyOMh_gDM/s1600-h/csi-lv-s8cast_01.jpg

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NOTE: sorry for the URL's above, but the Forum's software doesn't seem to prompt for "visible text" any longer. You can only enter the URL! I've submitted a bug report.

I loved the "Clumsy, yet buxom DNA tech" comment under Wendy's game piece. You really can't tell from the clothes she wears on the show, but Liz Vassey has quite a body on her.

I only got 10 minutes into this episode before I deleted it. Hopefully the next episode will return to normal.

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NOTE: sorry for the URL's above, but the Forum's software doesn't seem to prompt for "visible text" any longer. You can only enter the URL! I've submitted a bug report.I've noticed that too, I thought it was just me ...

I loved the "Clumsy, yet buxom DNA tech" comment under Wendy's game piece. You really can't tell from the clothes she wears on the show, but Liz Vassey has quite a body on her.As soon as she saw her piece's name and confronted Hodges about it, we all immediately looked closer at her to see if it was true. But it's so dark in the lab, and her clothes were dark as well, that it really wasn't obvious.

Certainly nothing like the profile shots we had of Jessica Lucas (Ronnie) the week before, with her running around that old movie studio with Sara, in the V-neck form fitting sweater (with lots of carefully staged profile shots) and frantically hyper-ventilating in apparent jeopardy.

As the three JPG's show (URL's in my earlier post), Ronnie is certainly "ample" and the producers are obviously playing that up. Her character seems a bit more ditzy than the rest of the CSI techs (kind of like a typical female in a slasher movie) and because of the sweater I can't give her serious respect like the other lab rats.

But she's certainly a welcome occasional cast addition. I'll be watching for more of her.

As soon as she saw her piece's name and confronted Hodges about it, we all immediately looked closer at her to see if it was true. But it's so dark in the lab, and her clothes were dark as well, that it really wasn't obvious.


http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/AlexxWoods/Caps/liz.jpg http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/AlexxWoods/Caps/liz-002.jpg

http://www.101lifestyle.com/images/celebs/liz_vassey/liz_vassey_001.jpg http://www.101lifestyle.com/images/celebs/liz_vassey/liz_vassey_002.jpg

http://www.101lifestyle.com/images/celebs/liz_vassey/liz_vassey_003.jpg http://www.101lifestyle.com/images/celebs/liz_vassey/liz_vassey_004.jpg

^^^^^^ No dark lab clothes here!

Hodges was right.

I've noticed that too, I thought it was just me ...Nope... turns out there is a new technique to be followed. I got the instructions as a response to my question posted over in the "Forum Operations Center" forum.

I'd never seen the new instructions publicized, but I suppose I must have missed it when the new software went in a while back.

Anyway, just to demonstrate that it can still be done using this post, if you look at this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12300442&postcount=2) you will get the following details:

Type out your post.
Go back and HIGHLIGHT the word(s) you want to be a link.
Click the add url button and put in the URL.
When you save it will update the highlighted word(s) to be the link.


Note the "visible text link" for the words "this post" above.

This is a little late, but maybe there's a new crossover/spin-off show in the making where Sara Sidle from CSI meets up with Jason Gideon from Criminal Minds and they wander the country in search of themselves and solving crimes along the way!

This is a little late, but maybe there's a new crossover/spin-off show in the making where Sara Sidle from CASI meets up with Jason Gideon from Criminal Minds and they wander the country in search of themselves and solving crimes along the way!

I'd watch it. Nice scenario.

Repeat episode tonite with the headless gocart. Guess I'll watch Wayne Brady:(

I vote for Liz Vassey to be the new CSI, replacing Sara.

Bring back Grissom's one true love - Lady Heather.

mmm, Lady Heather.

Hey! That's who the actress in Reeper was the other night. I thought I knew her from somewhere.

Good episode tonight. I am really interested to see the 2nd part.
I'm sure he did not do it. :confused:

I think that fat slob club owner found a way to get Warrick off his case...

Walt

Was the picture quality poor for anyone else on last nights episode? During the various night club scenes with the strobe lights and such there was a lot of macro-blocking. I was watching it OTA. I have access to both OTA and Cable HD, usually when I notice a programing in having picture quality issues I will Tivo both the OTA and Cable HD channel and then compare the scenes in which there are artifacts, usually the poor quality video is present both OTA and cable. Last night I was not able to do this test during CSI (had something else recording on other tuner), and the quality issues were so much greater than usual in some of the scenes I was just wondering if it's my local broadcaster skimping on bandwidth when they broadcast OTA or if the problem was more widespread. I tried comparing OTA and Cable after CSI when I had both tuners free on Tivo, but the show after CSI (at least as much as I watched) didn't have any scenes that exposed the same picture quality issues so no accurate comparison was made.

I think this might be the worst HDTV image I've ever snapped. Even the CBS bug is barely hanging on for dear life:

http://home.pacifier.com/~scowl/hdtv/CSI12.jpg

Remember, 12.6 Mbps is plenty of bits for 1080i! Why waste all those precious ones and zeros? You don't need to see the characters' faces clearly every single second! Just use your imagination!

Interesting that this was directed by William Friedkin who of course made a huge reputation for himself in the 70's after directing the Exorcist and the French Connection, but more recently has made movies like Jade (yeah some liked it) and the Guardian (one of the dumbest "horror" movies ever made). This episode had several things you rarely see on television like a complete fade to black between a scene and even several seconds of total silence during an establishing shot. The commercial breaks aren't even following the CSI tradition of coming after a plot reveal with that loud noise -- they seem to just happen whenever. I like it!

I just saw the first season episode, "Too Tough to Die" on Spike TV. Interesting dichotomy between that episode and current episodes:

1) Catherine's failing marriage to Ed played a huge part. Really big part. Compared to how most personal information is just briefly mentioned in the episodes, it was really glaring and out of place.

2) Sara was chided for a) caring too much about the victims; and b) having no life outside of work. Point a) was weird because it came from Nick. The exchange was odd because a season 6 episode (Gum Drops) had the exact opposite lecture, with Sara telling Nick not to get too close to the vics. Point B came from Grissom and I don't know if it had anything to do with Sara and Grissom later getting together. I guess it didn't. There was a later episode where the vic was a loner who never left home and Sara seemed to see a little too much of herself in the victim. She later reached out to someone to hang out with after work.

I liked the episode more than most of this season so far. I liked the mob tie-in, even if it is based on an old storyline, they are bringing it back to live in today's time. I would hope that in real life, Warrick would have had the sense not to put his neck out there like that after realizing what a bad person the mob guy is, but who knows.

Interesting that this was directed by William Friedkin who of course made a huge reputation for himself in the 70's after directing the Exorcist and the French Connection, but more recently has made movies like Jade (yeah some liked it) and the Guardian (one of the dumbest "horror" movies ever made). This episode had several things you rarely see on television like a complete fade to black between a scene and even several seconds of total silence during an establishing shot. The commercial breaks aren't even following the CSI tradition of coming after a plot reveal with that loud noise -- they seem to just happen whenever. I like it!

No wonder the episode felt so different. I totally missed that in the credits. I think he did a really good job, added tension and suspense to the episode.

And don't forget, he directed a really young (and thin) William Peterson in "To Live and Die in L.A." back in '85. Good flick. And good song.

forgot to set my dvr and didn't see last nights episode. where can i see it online? or do they rebroadcast the week's episode on a later day?

forgot to set my dvr and didn't see last nights episode. where can i see it online? or do they rebroadcast the week's episode on a later day?

CBS has them at their site, but it may take a few days for it to show up.

http://www.cbs.com/
CBS

Click on "Full Episodes".

iTunes does as well. but tonight's episode isn't available yet.

If you have Comcast it is available On Demand a day or two later. (HD->Network Shows->CBS->CSI). At least, it is here in S Florida.

thanks guys, i'll try cbs and comcast on demand 1st. brian, i'm in the same boat as you...Giving Comcast a little longer but not forever! :D

I don't see another CSI episode listed. Are we going to have to wait til after the strike to see the resolution to this?

I don't see another CSI episode listed. Are we going to have to wait til after the strike to see the resolution to this?

Good question. Heck of a place to leave things hanging.

Well, I watched last night's episode this afternoon via On Demand. It was a continuation of last weeks and looks like it will be continuing into next week as well given the way it ended!

Nothing wrong with taking your time to tell a story, as long as the viewers don't miss an episode!

I was surprised they didn't finish the storyline in this episode and then when I figured there were no scenes coming after the break, I was wondering when the new episodes were going to be airing, I assume after the beginning of the new year.

Did I miss an episode? New one last night, Warrick just reappears and Stokes says "It's good to have you back." WTF? What am I missing?

Nope, you didn't miss anything.
I think the Warrick story will continue in future episodes, after the writers come back.

Walt

It was strange the way they did it. Don't know why they would have done it that way except maybe this one was acutally taped before they finished the others and they wanted to show something new....

BTW, that was Shooter Jennings in the bar singing "This Ol Wheel" and "Higher" and Jewel singing that beautiful rendition of the National Anthem at the beginning.

IIRC Grissom put Warrick on suspension.

...and Jewel singing that beautiful rendition of the National Anthem at the beginning.:eek: Eeewww… I didn’t care for her rendition. She added too many extra seismic notes.


By the way, best line of the season (and delivery)…

More cowbell!
:D

By the way, best line of the season (and delivery)…

More cowbell!
:D

Yeah, that made me laugh. Hodges is one of my favorite characters. I've liked that guy since he was on The Larry Sanders Show.

Thursday's CSI:Vegas seemed to have different (darker) filtering; (witness burned in his car episode). CSI Vegas is typically 'dark' for interior shots but hope this opening episode doesn't represent an emulation of NBC's too-dark West Wing for the entire season. Even the daylight exterior CSI shots seemed to have a dense gauze-like filter over the lens. If they're going to dumb it down this much why not just switch to 8mm filming instead of costlier 35mm? :rolleyes: -- John

I enjoyed the episode, but I also was thinking it was pretty dark. Really, who works in an office with no lights on?

Not sure what was up with everyone having a cold though. I figured it would come back to contaminating evidence (sneezing all over a blood sample or something), but nothing...

I enjoyed the episode, but I also was thinking it was pretty dark. Really, who works in an office with no lights on?

Not sure what was up with everyone having a cold though. I figured it would come back to contaminating evidence (sneezing all over a blood sample or something), but nothing...


I thought that was odd too. No plot significance that I could see. Maybe they all really had colds when they filmed the episode. :D

I could've sworn that TV guide said that Willows would go to Grissoms place and find a picture of Sarah. Did I miss that part or did it not happen?

^^^Can't recall such a shot here. Maybe they substituted the final shot of him happily taking a call from 'someone'. -- John

EDIT: Spotted an intriguing shot near the end of last season of the constellation Orion over Grissom's shoulder. Maybe one of these episodes they'll toss in an Antonioni-like wind-in-the-trees/bushes shot the late director often included ("Blowup," etc.). Could have squeezed it in during this episode while they were investigating the site of the burned/crashed car--without even pausing the plot line more than a few seconds.

Thursday's CSI:Vegas seemed to have different (darker) filtering; (witness burned in his car episode). CSI Vegas is typically 'dark' for interior shots but hope this opening episode doesn't represent an emulation of NBC's too-dark West Wing for the entire season. Even the daylight exterior CSI shots seemed to have a dense gauze-like filter over the lens. If they're going to dumb it down this much why not just switch to 8mm filming instead of costlier 35mm? :rolleyes: -- John

I noticed that it was much darker in the outdoor scenes as well, like the viewer is looking through sunglasses. Maybe that's what they were trying to do?

I could've sworn that TV guide said that Willows would go to Grissoms place and find a picture of Sarah. Did I miss that part or did it not happen?

It was in the promos for the "return of CSI" CBS was running so I suspect it will happen in coming weeks.

It was in the promos for the "return of CSI" CBS was running so I suspect it will happen in coming weeks.

That's where I saw it as well, in the promos.

This is what I'm referring to. (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TV-Show-Blog/Tv-Previews/Csi/800035937) I can't imagine they'll have him sick again.

By the way, I was impressed at Catherine's ability to take a picture with her iPhone without having to tap the screen. :D

This is what I'm referring to. (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TV-Show-Blog/Tv-Previews/Csi/800035937) I can't imagine they'll have him sick again.

Edit: They deleted the scenes in question before broadcast but CBS posted them to YouTube.

Finally got to watch Thursday's episode.

I have to agree with others who've observed the obvious change in production style... darker, and "through a softening special-effects filter" so that lights GLOW, along with people's skin and hair.

DREADFUL!

Looks like they've gone to the dark side, like "CSI:Miami", whose look I detest. I was always thankful that "CSI:Original" NEVER looked like that, but rather always looked sharp and crisp, like "Boston Legal" and "Lost".

It's notorious underlit scenes (why do they always use flashlights, when they can just flip the switch in the room and turn the ceiling lights on???) were still quite clear, especially in the lab rooms (where it seemed to be perpetual night except out in the hallways). Now, it's just blurry dark and severely underlit.

DREADFUL!

Reminds me very much of the turn-for-the-worst that "Studio 60" took in its final throes. I don't know if that was a production cost issue (maybe they actually shot it differently... i.e. cheaper) or an artistic issue, but it looked horrible, and not very HDTV.

I sure hope this one CSI episode was an experiment only, and not the way they're going to take it out for the rest of this season.

Very disappointed. Actually, even the storyline this week was very weak. I guess the writers were rusty.

I have to agree this was the worst looking CSI ever. the exterior shots looked like they were filmed during some weird eclipse, light was there but it wasn't. I'm trying to find a term for how it looked, best I can come up with is "muddy".

It was like it was shot during the day, but they filtered it to make it look like night, except that the scene actually took place during the day, really odd.

Maybe they were going for the breaking of dawn look but didn't do so a great job of it.

I have to agree this was the worst looking CSI ever.Time for some "viewer feedback" (http://www.cbs.com/primetime/csi/#) to CBS.

At the very very bottom of that page there is a link for "feedback". I've already submitted my comments on the DREADFUL NEW LOOK, for what it's worth.

If they think we love it, they'll never fix it.

CSIs are colorized (so you don't forget which one you are watching I guess).

Vegas is dark
Miami is bright colors
NY is grey

stupid if you ask me.

Well, it appears that the awful-looking CSI episode we complained about must have been a "one-time artistic experimental aberration".

Fortunately, this week's episode was back with the look we've come to know and love. Sharp, crisp, clear, no "gauze-like filtered cinematography". I hope it stays like this.

Plus, even the story line was back to its old tip-top form.

And, Hodges' colleague (Liz Vassey) made another one of her occasional and much-enjoyed appearances.

WHEW!

Yes, this episode did look much better, and content-wise it reinforced why this original CSI is far and away the best of the 3.

Now if they'd just put Sanders on screen more. His character is hilarious.

CSI' co-star Gary Dourdan arrested for drugs

Apr 29 06:34 PM US/Eastern
By DERRIK J. LANG
AP Entertainment Writer

LOS ANGELES (AP) - entertainmentminute "CSI" co-star Gary Dourdan was arrested Monday for possession of narcotics and dangerous drugs, police said. The 41-year-old actor was found asleep in his car by the Palm Springs Police Department, authorities said.
An officer saw Dourdan's car parked on the wrong side of the street with the interior light on and someone sleeping in the driver's seat at approximately 5:12 a.m. Monday, according to Palm Springs police Sgt. Mitch Spike.

The officer described Dourdan as disoriented and possibly under the influence of alcohol or drugs. The officer arrested Dourdan after locating suspected cocaine, heroin, Ecstacy, miscellaneous prescription drugs and paraphernalia. Dourdan was released on $5,000 bail at 10:30 a.m. Monday. A court date was not immediately scheduled.

Dourdan has played crime scene investigator Warrick Brown on CBS' "CSI" since 2000. Several celebrities were in town for the Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival in nearby Indio, Calif. It was not immediately clear whether Dourdan attended the event.

Representatives for Dourdan did not immediately return phone calls Tuesday.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90BQ6I80&show_article=1&catnum=0

Yeah he was fired (or mutually agreed to part ways) a couple of weeks back.

I didn't know he left CSI. My wife will be o.k. with that, but Nick leaving would be too much for her to handle...

CSI' co-star Gary Dourdan arrested for drugs



Check out the program info for the CSI rerun tonight at 10pm...

Check out the program info for the CSI rerun tonight at 10pm...:eek::DWow that's too funny... on second thought, it's sad...

:eek::DWow that's too funny... on second thought, it's sad...

Yeah, pretty wild.

Yeah he was fired (or mutually agreed to part ways) a couple of weeks back.

Well thanks for the spoiler! I had heard someone was leaving but had kept myself in the dark at who it was. I was hoping to find out watching the show! :mad:

Not really a spoiler; it was announced a while back. You hear this stuff all the time. I'm sure it will be less dramatic than when Sara left. Nobody here watches Enews or read tv guide in the supermarket line? lol

That was the best episode so far this season. Much better than the last few weeks.

Loved the cameo by Adam and Jamie from Myth Busters even though they were only on for like 10 seconds.

That was the best episode so far this season. Much better than the last few weeks.
Agreed.

Loved the cameo by Adam and Jamie from Myth Busters even though they were only on for like 10 seconds.
Yeah, I noticed them too.

Loved the cameo by Adam and Jamie from Myth Busters even though they were only on for like 10 seconds.

That was an LOL for me too!

They toned down the usual blaring rock music this week, as I recall, usually dubbed in--loudly--for autopsies and too-techy lab instruments. Prefer drama music tracks that aren't so intrusive myself. But if it's required, suggest a CSI traveling rock band for the Miami-NYC-Vegas series. They'd visit each Hollywood set and when the autopsies or instant DNA analysis began they could cut between drum solos and lab-instrument readouts. Jazz it up a bit. ;) -- John

That was an LOL for me too!

My wife and I were busting up when they showed Adam and Jamie as well! That was perfect except that they didn't say anything... :rolleyes:

My wife and I were busting up when they showed Adam and Jamie as well! That was perfect except that they didn't say anything... :rolleyes:

They would have had to pay them too much for that.

I think they over did it just a bit, when they were in the background for a second I stopped to think is that who I think it was? But then the thumbs up after that was a little corny.

I think they over did it just a bit, when they were in the background for a second I stopped to think is that who I think it was? But then the thumbs up after that was a little corny.I agree. If you knew who they were then, cool you got it, and you didn’t need to be poked in the eye with the thumbs up. And, if you didn’t know who they were then it was just another jarring freaky moment that you hope pans out in the end.

Loved the cameo by Adam and Jamie from Myth Busters even though they were only on for like 10 seconds.The funny thing was I thought of MythBusters when they started using the dummies with the gelatin heads. There was a recent MB episode on lightning strikes.....

Not exactly O.T.,but off network. A poster on DBSTalk noticed today that Spike HD is now actually broadcasting CSI in HD (first time I've seen it so on that channel).

Episodes I saw today were from 2001.

I thought the brief interaction between Mandy Webster (Sheeri Rappaport... one of my real favorite side characters) and David Hodges (Wallace Langham) was hilarious! She's brushing the pipe for fingerprints, and suddenly decides to confront him about their personal dealings, like her mind was on this topic and not the prints.

She calls him on his cell and reads him the riot act: "if you want a relationship you're going to have to move out of your mother's place". He turns around and looks at her through two glass walls from his office to hers, and his head is obviously spinning when she hangs up on him.

Next scene we hear 3rd-hand about the "rumor" that Hodges is looking for an apartment... with the Mandy/Hodges budding relationship obviously still under wraps from the rest of the office.

I really like her, and her great glasses.

I was also pleased to see Wendy Simms (Liz Vassey) in a small part, providing some DNA details as an excuse to make her appearance in the episode. I like her too.


On another note, I thought these past two episodes have been VERY DARK again, with the unfortunate reappearance of "blurred lights in the background" and somewhat "filtered" camera work.

But the whole story this week was great... with all of the coincidences from multiple murders tying together, as well as the out-of-left-field cameo of the Mythbusters boys as the jelly dummies get tased.

Great show tonight !

Written by the same writers who do "Two and a Half Men",and the insider references were great.

Walt

It’s funny that they chose to bring up the phrase “Jump the Shark” since they basically flew over Sea World in the Mach 5 (http://www.rassi.com/images/speed-racer-mach-5-logo.gif).

:rolleyes: And I thought last week was too in your face-- but this week-- they went way over the line with all of the pop culture hip references. You can’t force “being cool.” It should come naturally.

This episode had the same fun feeling enjoyed when chowing down a bag of potato chips just before a beautiful dinner-- a temporary delight but ruining an appetite.

I loved the corny humor. Then again, I are an engineer.

CSI does changeup pitch episodes very well.

CSI does changeup pitch episodes very well.
I agree. I love that they do stuff like this episode, last weeks ep, and the one directed by William Friedkin. This episode definitely had the feel of "Two and a Half Men" but I like that show, too, so it's all good. And the casting was perfect...Diedrich Bader, Rachael Harris, Katey Sagal...awesome. I hope they continue to try new things with this show.

Beautiful people doing high tech police work...there might be a series in that.

A mime is a terrible thing to waste

Who's Aunt Flo?

Who's Aunt Flo?
That would be slang for "that time of the month", flow, you know!

That would be slang for "that time of the month", flow, you know!
I was playing the quote game with Phil. Hodges is the one who needs your help.

I loved the dialog at the end when they confronted the co-star and she started making up the most outrageous explanation of how things could have gone down.

I was playing the quote game with Phil. Hodges is the one who needs your help.

Got it & on the show too. As a guy, I try to avoid thinking about or purchasing, except under duress "feminine products."

I’m surprised they didn’t have a cameo by Les Moonves. :rolleyes:

Worst episode ever.

Worst episode ever.

You obviously aren't a long time watcher.

There have been one or two even devoted fans have found to be much, much worse. :(

But it was intended to be bad. At least for me, who has watched most of Chuck Lorre's shows, this episode was hysterical. The "Annabelle" series was a reference to Cybill (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111932/) and the first scene was referring to Christine Baranski always seemingly getting the best lines.

But it was intended to be bad. At least for me, who has watched most of Chuck Lorre's shows, this episode was hysterical. The "Annabelle" series was a reference to Cybill (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111932/) and the first scene was referring to Christine Baranski always seemingly getting the best lines.


My wife caught that immediately. I liked the episode, it's a fresh changeup now and then.

Wild ending! :eek: ha

Wild ending! :eek: haYeah very good episode. ;)

The ending reminded me of the Sopranos finale—with the whole “family” at the diner, everyone happily enjoying comfort food, individual shots in the doorway, in this show leaving the diner as opposed to entering as in The Sopranos. The only thing missing was the music track with Journey.

But this show was not going to run out of film and cut to black. The feeling was very strong that we would have an event ending-- and when that character knocked on the window and leaned on the car all of my suspicions of his skuzzy-ness were validated. :cool:

Unfortunatly because of this forum, I knew something had to happen, since Warrick was being written off of the show! But it was bad to see that it was such a high-rank that took him down.

Unfortunatly because of this forum, I knew something had to happen, since Warrick was being written off of the show! I don’t like it when main characters are killed off. It takes away from the reruns. There's that constant reminder of his/her demise.

And yes, the suspense level was dampened a bit knowing about his (Gary Dourdan's) real life personal "mishap" and then being fired from the show. It was all over the news.

But looking at the time line, I would think that this episode, or his fate, was already decided before he got arrested.

I don’t like it when main characters are killed off. It takes away from the reruns. There's that constant reminder of his/her demise.

And yes, the suspense level was dampened a bit knowing about his (Gary Dourdan's) real life personal "mishap" and then being fired from the show. It was all over the news.

But looking at the time line, I would think that this episode, or his fate, was already decided before he got arrested.

The last scene resembled how he probably looked when he got arrested - substitute the blood for some drool.

Last night's episode...haunting. I agree 100% not to kill off a main character.

Any chance of us seeing Sarah back on this show? CSI is gettinn rid of too many lead characters.

The last scene resembled how he probably looked when he got arrested - substitute the blood for some drool.

LOL

Any chance of us seeing Sarah back on this show? CSI is gettinn rid of too many lead characters.Lauren Lee Smith (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0809049/) has been confirmed (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Ausiello-Scoop-Lauren/800039787?rssDate=12345678) as Jorja's replacement...

Lauren Lee Smith (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0809049/) has been confirmed (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Ausiello-Scoop-Lauren/800039787?rssDate=12345678) as Jorja's replacement...

Great casting choice. She was about the only reason to watch Mutant X, and the show jumped the shark when they killed her character off.

Even if you knew nothing about Warrick's real world problems, any scene a few minutes before the end of a season finale where everybody is sitting around a table with big smiles on their faces often turns on my "somebody's gonna get blowed up real good" radar. :) I was wrong. I was sure the car was going to explode.

Last night's episode...haunting. I agree 100% not to kill off a main character.



The thing that got me was Warrick's initial reaction to being shot, he heard it but did not initially feel it because before he slumped he reacted to the sound and made a move towards his ear. i've never witnessed a shooting but this seemed more realistic than many shows depiction of just falling over.

On the technical level (i.e. picture quality), I have to say that the finale looked awful... super-dark, softened, filtered... like they weren't using HD cameras any longer (though I know they are).

Not just dark, but super-dark.

And that "last days of Studio 60" artistic, filtered look.

Very unsatisfying. I hope next season doesn't look like the past six weeks of this one did.

Lauren Lee Smith (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0809049/) has been confirmed (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Ausiello-Scoop-Lauren/800039787?rssDate=12345678) as Jorja's replacement...


They have been hinting on the show that Liz Vassey's character was going to move into the field like Greg did, or at least that's what Grissom seemed to be pushing for. Have to say I'm a bit disappointed that she isn't now. Would have loved to have seen more of her than the occasional shots of her working on some trace.

IMO, there is not enough air time for, as Hodges put it, the "buxom yet clumsy lab tech."

They have been hinting on the show that Liz Vassey's character was going to move into the field like Greg did, or at least that's what Grissom seemed to be pushing for. Have to say I'm a bit disappointed that she isn't now.By my count, they have two CSIs to replace: Jorja and now Warrick...

By my count, they have two CSIs to replace: Jorja and now Warrick...

That's true, but I honestly can't see the show having 3 women out in the field. Not that I would mind, but historically in all 3 CSIs, there have only been two (Ronnie and that woman that Warrick left alone and got killed technically don't count).

Like Peter I thought the car was going to explode. Guess I've watched too many mob shows/films. Too many slo mo shots of cast members exiting the diner led me to believe that Warwick was done for, so he got shot instead. Who the hell parks in an alley? Every time a car is in an alley something bad happens.

The thing that got me was Warrick's initial reaction to being shot, he heard it but did not initially feel it because before he slumped he reacted to the sound and made a move towards his ear. i've never witnessed a shooting but this seemed more realistic than many shows depiction of just falling over.

FYI, an instructor in a class I was taking mentioned that very often the only reason people fall over when shot in real life is that they've been conditioned to do so by television and movies - the brain realizes "I've been shot!" and thus you fall down even if the shot would not have physiologically caused you to collapse.

Like Peter I thought the car was going to explode. Guess I've watched too many mob shows/films.

LOL ... that would be that other show on Thursday night ... at least it was telegraphed well in advance.

That's true, but I honestly can't see the show having 3 women out in the field.Original: Gil, Catherine, Warrick, Nick, Sara. That's it, right? 3M/2F
Added Greg in the field: 4M/2F
Sara left: 4M/1F
Warrick left: 3M/1F

So if they replace Warrick and Sara with two women, it would be 3M/3F. Sounds OK to me.

The other shows have a smaller cast, don't they? They're both 3M/2F

So if they replace Warrick and Sara with two women, it would be 3M/3F. Sounds OK to me.Sheeri Rappaport (http://csi.wetpaint.com/page/Mandy+Webster+-+Fingerprint+Tech) (finger prints) and Liz Vassey (http://csi.wetpaint.com/page/Wendy+Simms+-+DNA+Tech) (DNA)... get them out into the field, or at least give them more regular exposure in the lab.

They are VERY enjoyable actresses, and their comedic interaction with Hodges is great!

Promote from within. They deserve it.


Or... they could give "Ronnie (http://csi.wetpaint.com/page/Veronica+(Ronnie)+Lake?t=anon)" some more visiblity.

And yes, the suspense level was dampened a bit knowing about his (Gary Dourdan's) real life personal "mishap" and then being fired from the show. It was all over the news.



His arrest happened after the decision was made to leave the show. That episode was already filmed. Kinda spooky though.

Art

His arrest happened after the decision was made to leave the show. That episode was already filmed. Kinda spooky though.

Art

It was kind of spooky knowing what had happened to him a couple of weeks ago. I liked him on this show and he will be missed and I also hope he gets the help he needs.

While it's sad to have to CSIs leave in one season, the show has been remarkably consistent with the cast. Of course, the main cast has been unchanged since Sara joined in the second episode. But if you watch the Spike reruns, you'll see that even Greg and the coroner were already regulars in season 1. Hodges and Archie came along pretty early in the shows run also.

Even if you knew nothing about Warrick's real world problems, any scene a few minutes before the end of a season finale where everybody is sitting around a table with big smiles on their faces often turns on my "somebody's gonna get blowed up real good" radar. :) I was wrong. I was sure the car was going to explode.

I had the same feeling, I was waiting for the car to blow up.

And yes, the suspense level was dampened a bit knowing about his (Gary Dourdan's) real life personal "mishap" and then being fired from the show. It was all over the news.
He was fired? (I missed that)

He was fired? (I missed that)


Here is an article from last month...


Dourdan's CSI Case Closed

Mon., Apr. 14, 2008 2:01 PM PDT
by GINA SERPE

Crime scene investigation no longer pays for Gary Dourdan.

The CSI star, who has been with the ratings-grabbing CBS franchise since its 2000 debut, has chosen not to renew his contract, paving the way for his character's exit on the upcoming season finale.

According to TV Guide, which first reported the news of Dourdan's departure, it was the star who informed producers that he would be leaving the show rather than the other way around.

No timetable for his exit has been announced, but his contract is set to expire next month, making the show's May 15 finale the likeliest venue for Warrick Brown's final bow.

The network, meanwhile, is refusing to discuss the shake-up.
"We can't confirm or deny this information," a CBS spokesperson told E! News.
Dourdan's Brown, a recovering gambling-addict-turned-top-CSI-analyst and sometime love interest to Marg Helgenberger's Catherine Willows, ups the show's body count this season.

In November, fellow original castmember Jorja Fox, who played Sara Sidle, left CSI after what could generously be described as rocky contract negotiations with show producers, eventually failing to come to terms on a mutually acceptable salary boost.

William Petersen, aka CSI's stoic ringleader Gil Grissom, fared better earlier this month, when it was announced he had finally signed on to a ninth season, albeit for a reduced number of shows. His deal worked out to an average payday of $600,000 per episode, cementing his status as one of the small screen's highest paid actors.

CBS appears to be wasting no time in replacing Dourdan.

According to TV Guide, producers have already issued a casting notice for a male series regular in his late 20s to early 30s to take on the role of Ray Santoro, a "handsome, smart and athletic" CSI who takes on the graveyard shift at the crime lab.

While fellow original full-timers Helgenberger and George Eads have yet to sign new contracts, both are expected to following Petersen's, rather than Dourdan and Fox's, footsteps and return to the show next fall.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b129632_dourdans_csi_case_closed.html

Funny that E! is claiming Jorja Fox left for financial reasons when if you go back to when she left there are stories from both sides stating she left because she wanted to do other things.

People who have been in contact with both Jorja herself and the producers have received the same story, and in Hollywood you can never get both sides on the same page like that in a contract dispute.

Sheeri Rappaport (http://csi.wetpaint.com/page/Mandy+Webster+-+Fingerprint+Tech) (finger prints) and Liz Vassey (http://csi.wetpaint.com/page/Wendy+Simms+-+DNA+Tech) (DNA)... get them out into the field, or at least give them more regular exposure in the lab.

They are VERY enjoyable actresses, and their comedic interaction with Hodges is great!

Promote from within. They deserve it.


Or... they could give "Ronnie (http://csi.wetpaint.com/page/Veronica+(Ronnie)+Lake?t=anon)" some more visiblity.

Agreed on all three.

Whatever happened with Ronnie anyway? Seemed strange to bring a new person onboard for a few episodes only to have her disappear.

I haven't missed Sara a moment, but Warrick will be a loss to the show for me. I am also not looking forward to episodes without Grissom, who was missed mightily when he bugged out last season (2006-7) for several episodes. I can see CSI on a downhill slide ala Stargate SG-1, when Richard Dean Anderson scaled back. Grissom is the glue on this show.

I'd like to see Ronnie come back, she was hot! ;)

Besides, I'd rather see something like they did with Greg, where he was promoted and is now doing field work, than just bring in an actor to fill in almost the same part as someone who left. There were also some characters they've shown on other shifts, like the one woman that had a little history with Grissom (sorry, don't know her name).

But it was intended to be bad. At least for me, who has watched most of Chuck Lorre's shows, this episode was hysterical. The "Annabelle" series was a reference to Cybill (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111932/) and the first scene was referring to Christine Baranski always seemingly getting the best lines.

We are behind so we just caught this episode. I had not even thought about Cybil. I figured the Annabelle character was a combination of Roseanne (the title font was identical and she was supposed to be hard to work with and took over the show) and Brett Butler from Grace Under Fire (trips to rehab, show on hiatus due to her being drunk on set). I guess he added stuff from several people he worked with in there. Knowing that made it ten times more funny to me.

Rumor is Jorja Fox is returning to the hit series. Will appear in third episode in the upcoming season.

cheezz

Rumor is Jorja Fox is returning to the hit series. Will appear in third episode in the upcoming season.

cheezz

Boooo! I want Ronnie back! Especially after last night's repeat. That was the one that really made you take notice of her. Well, it did for me anyway.

So, I'll ask again, does anyone know what happened to her? Seemed strange to introduce her as if she was going to be a regular and then she just disappeared without any explanation.

So, I'll ask again, does anyone know what happened to her? Seemed strange to introduce her as if she was going to be a regular and then she just disappeared without any explanation.

Actually upon reviewing this episode, it's clear that she was 'the backup from swing shift.' Therefore, it's not a given that she was meant to be a "series regular.'

Actually upon reviewing this episode, it's clear that she was 'the backup from swing shift.' Therefore, it's not a given that she was meant to be a "series regular.'


Ah, I must have missed when that was said. Thanks for the info.

William Peterson (Grissom) leaving series sometime in midseason.

"Billy is leaving," series executive producer Carol Mendelsohn said. "But he will remain throughout the run of the series an executive producer. And he will, whenever CBS asks, come back. I don't think you've seen the last of Gil Grissom."

Hmmm..will see how it goes.

cheezz

William Peterson (Grissom) leaving series sometime in midseason.

That stinks. To me, he is the show. When he took that time off a couple of seasons ago, it just wasn't the same.

Anyway, my bet is they will go with the "he can't stand being away from Sarah any longer and decides to go be with her" storyline.

Sucks to hear this. My wife won't be happy either as I agree with Tom in that it wasn't the same when he was gone.

That stinks. To me, he is the show. When he took that time off a couple of seasons ago, it just wasn't the same.

Anyway, my bet is they will go with the "he can't stand being away from Sarah any longer and decides to go be with her" storyline.

Speaking of Sara, Jorja Fox is coming back to the show for several eps. before Peterson leaves.

Art

William Peterson (Grissom) leaving series sometime in midseason.


If that's true just cancel the show while it's on top. You can't lose that many main characters and keep the same chemistry.

If that's true just cancel the show while it's on top. You can't lose that many main characters and keep the same chemistry.


True, but you can have really different and potentially interesting chemistry. I thought Liev Schreiber's character had some real possibilities, as was mentioned in an earlier post.

Still, I will miss Gil.

If that's true just cancel the show while it's on top. You can't lose that many main characters and keep the same chemistry.

It could also be said that the show was becoming repetitive and a caricature of itself. How many times can we watch Nick shine a blue light on the interior of a car, or Catherine scrutinizing a shirt. They started doing weird episodes just to be different.

Adding some new blood couldn't hurt, but losing Grissom is like Criminal Minds losing Gideon. Nobody could replace them really, because the show was built around them.

I still think the show will be better than the other CSI shows, as well as Greys, so I will keep watching.

Question for those that A) have DirecTV, B) watched tonight's episode, and C) have NY locals. I'm sure I narrowed that down so much that I eliminated everyone.

Anyway, I put this on as there was really nothing else to watch and on the channel 2 HD feed there was running commentary explaining what was going on in every scene for what I can only assume is blind people. I have never seen or heard this before. On my other CBS feeds, this commentary didn't exist.

Did anyone else have this and where did this come from all of a sudden?

I didn't see it. Or maybe I should say hear it.:D Maybe they're trying something like they do on Lost repetes.

Well, it looks like CSI got their man:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080818/ap_en_tv/tv_csi_fishburne

I like their decision. This should be interesting.

I like the choice a lot.

a good show tonite, great sendoff to Ward.. sad but thats Hollywood..

In the Greensboro market both the SD and HD feeds blacked right when Nick was pursing Warrick's killer in the woods and when it came back on they were at the funeral. Did anybody else have this issue?

I talked to somebody in a neighboring TV market and they didn't have any problems. So it was my local CBS station who messed up.

I noticed that CBS joined the ranks of NBC and FOX and put up a big ol' promo for the 11th Hour or whatever it was. During the middle of the show. NOT COOL:mad:

a good show tonite, great sendoff to Ward.. sad but thats Hollywood..

It's Warrick
I was glad they didn't drag out his "death' for weeks.

It's Warrick
I was glad they didn't drag out his "death' for weeks.

Not just that. I was relieved that the search for his killer wasn't stretched over a 2-3 episode arc.

They telegraphed who the killer was in the first minute. I don't remember them doing that before in a CSI episode.

They telegraphed who the killer was in the first minute. I don't remember them doing that before in a CSI episode.

We knew who the killer was last season.

Thought it was a nice send-off for the character. Good seeing Jorja again.

I noticed that CBS joined the ranks of NBC and FOX and put up a big ol' promo for the 11th Hour or whatever it was. During the middle of the show. NOT COOL:mad:

Yeah, that took up the bottom 3rd of the screen, I wanted to vomit.

not just that. I was relieved that the search for his killer wasn't stretched over a 2-3 episode arc.

+1

We knew who the killer was last season.

Yeah, that was some pretty strong telegraphing showing the guy pull the trigger and all. ;)

I wonder if they will use this opportunity to bring in a new Undersheriff that is less of a jerk.

For those who didn't know just how much of a poltical animal and coward Conrad is, now you know!! :)

No comments from this past episode? I thought it was great when they were removing the body from the top of the bus. Both my wife and I were cringing and squeaming at it! Glad we decided to watch it on the 100" screen instead of the 35" SD TV downstairs!

There was another scene that was pretty gross, but I can't remember what it was right now...

Also, my wife said that it looked like Jorja looked pregnant, so I had to explain the model stomach thing.

Also, my wife said that it looked like Jorja looked pregnant, so I had to explain the model stomach thing. Sorry - gotta go OT for a second. What's the model stomach thing? My wife and I have always thought she was a little big in the middle for a thin person.

Oh, it was discussed years ago on a CSI thread about how lots of models tend to have a stomach that pouches out a little. Don't know why, something about the way they walk and such? She used to be a model.

Is this thread still, um, alive?

I think CSI has never been better! Camera work and stories are the best they've ever been!

great episode last week..Is Grissom straying from Jorja?..

^....well, Lady Heather isn't exactly unattractive....in a scary sort of way.

great episode last week..Is Grissom straying from Jorja?..

I dont see it that way. Seems like she considered his lack of going with her a break up by default. And her good bye video message was a double confirmation that she is happy with the break up she perceived. Therefore after viewing that message Grissom was a free agent so to speak.

Not sure what roll Fishburne is going to play. He is not replacing Grissom's position Catherine is.

Fishburne is going to be a level 1 CSI agent, according to reports I read.. Anyway he is a distinguished actor and will bring a change to the show..

I wondered about that too, can't imagine they'd bump the female to put another male in the lead.

BTW, maybe it's just me, but the character linkage in this ep was rather complex for my feeble mind. When they were running all the possible links on that screen I got lost as to who's who and who's done what. Saved this ep to re-watch just before part 2 airs.

i wondered about that too, can't imagine they'd bump the female to put another male in the lead.

Btw, maybe it's just me, but the character linkage in this ep was rather complex for my feeble mind. When they were running all the possible links on that screen i got lost as to who's who and who's done what. Saved this ep to re-watch just before part 2 airs.

+1

I wondered about that too, can't imagine they'd bump the female to put another male in the lead.

BTW, maybe it's just me, but the character linkage in this ep was rather complex for my feeble mind. When they were running all the possible links on that screen I got lost as to who's who and who's done what. Saved this ep to re-watch just before part 2 airs.

Oh good. I thought it was just me. There were so many characters and relationships that I was having trouble keeping things straight. Unfortunately, I wasn't smart enough to save the episode.

Oh good. I thought it was just me. There were so many characters and relationships that I was having trouble keeping things straight. Unfortunately, I wasn't smart enough to save the episode.

Pretty sure you can catch it at CBS.com.

My guess is... Jail guy had 2 accomplices, or at least 1(soup guy) with another being aware of what was happening - that guy being the one who killed soup guy. But who is the guy they found in the tunnel, the fresh corpse, not the skeleton?

I don't know, definitely have to watch it again. BTW, I didn't see any previews, are they done until the new year?

I may have to resort to that.

All I heard was that the new victim had 10 stab wounds, so that validates the theory of at least 1 accomplice on the outside.

Does pure speculation count as a spoiler here? I have my own theory on who the accomplce is and how current killings connect to the old ones but I won't say anything if that would be out of line here.

Unless you have actual inside information about an upcoming script, or know someone involved with the show, speculation is just that.

Unless you have actual inside information about an upcoming script, or know someone involved with the show, speculation is just that.

Agreed, I'd love to hear what jebbbz has to say. :)

How great was Bill Irwin as DJK in the episode?

But who is the guy they found in the tunnel, the fresh corpse, not the skeleton?
The guy stabbed 10 times was just the latest victim

I was really hoping they would follow up with who really killed the BDSM victims this season, glad to see they are.

Well, the first rule of television is that nothing happens for no reason.

I am strongly suspicious of the Reno PD detective who just happened to have been the rookie patrolman who nabbed the D&J Killer (it "made" his career) and happened to have known, or at least known of, Tolliver, the soup man, as a confidential informant. Why these details about that Reno cop unless they are important later? The detective is my connection between the old killings and the new ones. He would have access to all the details of the cases and investigations, the evidence and MO.

Grissom asked Haskell, the D&J Killer, how he xould have gotten caught the way he did (by a rookie cop at a sobriety checkpoint) and Haskell's answer ("everybody makes mistakes") struck me as unresponsive.

Of course, all I need is motive for the detective and an explanation for the hiatus in killings...

(Theopening scenes of the show distracted me for a while. All I could think of while the unknown killer was dragging Tolliver to his final resting place was the old commercial -- "Hefty! Hefty! Hefty! ... wimpy, wimpy wimpy.")

Does pure speculation count as a spoiler here? I have my own theory on who the accomplce is and how current killings connect to the old ones but I won't say anything if that would be out of line here.

I vote for Lyle the Late Show intern :)

(Theopening scenes of the show distracted me for a while. All I could think of while the unknown killer was dragging Tolliver to his final resting place was the old commercial -- "Hefty! Hefty! Hefty! ... wimpy, wimpy wimpy.")

Quite frankly, I am surprised by that response as the opening scenes of the show had a far greater distration - enough that CBS would have most likely moved this episode if it had not been so heavily promoted and pivital.

On the same day of the show.....

Caylee Anthony is found.....also in a trash bag.....placed in a car....thrown in the same type wood area....where the water fills up around the bag.....where the body decays over time....and the majority of the soft tissue comes off to where there are only the same type skeletal remains.

The only difference is an adult instead of a kid and cable ties around the trash bag instead of duct tape.

The end of the William Peterson Story and the Caylee Anthony story - both on the same day.

^....well, Lady Heather isn't exactly unattractive....in a scary sort of way.

Grissom never went to Lady Heather for physical sex (that is what Sara was for :D ), but stimulating intellectual thought of the dark side. He gave the appearance that she was his intellectual equal in that area, much more so than Sara. And yeah, she turns heads, even cracking a whip! 8-O

I wondered about that too, can't imagine they'd bump the female to put another male in the lead.

BTW, maybe it's just me, but the character linkage in this ep was rather complex for my feeble mind. When they were running all the possible links on that screen I got lost as to who's who and who's done what. Saved this ep to re-watch just before part 2 airs.

When it was announced that Petersen was leaving there was a trial balloon launched to see if the fans would accept Fishburne as the shift supervisor and the resounding response was NO!! Catherine had EARNED that spot through all the years of putting up with all the politics and crap and that is why when Grissom announced to the staff he was leaving, he made it clear that Catherine would replace him as shift supervisor to let the fans know that Catherine was moving in that position and not Langston. But that still doesn't mean Marg Helgenberger moves up in the billing even though her character does. I think the jury is still out on whether she could carry the show like Petersen has. which is why Fishburne was brought in.

I am guessing the accomplice is one of the "students" in the class. One of the guys that asked a question...two of them looked kinda shifty.

Grissom never went to Lady Heather for physical sex (that is what Sara was for :D ), but stimulating intellectual thought of the dark side. He gave the appearance that she was his intellectual equal in that area, much more so than Sara. And yeah, she turns heads, even cracking a whip! 8-O

i think he finally did a few eps back

The end of the William Peterson Story and the Caylee Anthony story - both on the same day.

Point of order: I'd just like to point out that you incorrectly attributed someone else's "quote" to me.

i think he finally did a few eps back

I think he did too, when he asked her to stay and she shut the door to the bedroom.

When it was announced that Petersen was leaving there was a trial balloon launched to see if the fans would accept Fishburne as the shift supervisor and the resounding response was NO!! Catherine had EARNED that spot through all the years of putting up with all the politics and crap and that is why when Grissom announced to the staff he was leaving, he made it clear that Catherine would replace him as shift supervisor to let the fans know that Catherine was moving in that position and not Langston. But that still doesn't mean Marg Helgenberger moves up in the billing even though her character does. I think the jury is still out on whether she could carry the show like Petersen has. which is why Fishburne was brought in.

But Langston wasn't even in the picture when Grissom said Catherine would lead the team.

I guess I didn't pay attention to the different levels, a CSI-1 is the top, or the bottom, of the ladder? It's been said that Langston would come on as a CSI-1 and if that's the bottom it just doesn't seem to fit.

Quite frankly, I am surprised by that response as the opening scenes of the show had a far greater distration - enough that CBS would have most likely moved this episode if it had not been so heavily promoted and pivital.

On the same day of the show.....

Caylee Anthony is found.....also in a trash bag.....placed in a car....thrown in the same type wood area....where the water fills up around the bag.....where the body decays over time....and the majority of the soft tissue comes off to where there are only the same type skeletal remains.

The only difference is an adult instead of a kid and cable ties around the trash bag instead of duct tape.

The end of the William Peterson Story and the Caylee Anthony story - both on the same day.

Call me a cave dweller I guess, I didn't even know who Caylee Anthony was until I read your post. Did this get national coverage or was it localized to your area? That might be a(weak) excuse for CBS running the episode.