I guess I didn't pay attention to the different levels, a CSI-1 is the top, or the bottom, of the ladder? It's been said that Langston would come on as a CSI-1 and if that's the bottom it just doesn't seem to fit.


When they said they were hiring a Level 1, I just automatically assumed the numbers went in opposite order and 1 was top of the chain. After doing some digging it goes from 1 to 3 (not sure if there are more after 3).

I just can't see them bringing in Fishburne now at the bottom with him being the biggest star on the show.

When they said they were hiring a Level 1, I just automatically assumed the numbers went in opposite order and 1 was top of the chain. After doing some digging it goes from 1 to 3 (not sure if there are more after 3).

I just can't see them bringing in Fishburne now at the bottom with him being the biggest star on the show.

They went through it at the beginning when Grissom was handing out assignments but I didn't pay attention.

And yeah, that's the part I don't get. Seems like a semi-autonomous consultant position would make more sense, but as a rookie? He's a fine actor so I'm sure the show will be fine, just not sure of the methodology here.

Call me a cave dweller I guess, I didn't even know who Caylee Anthony was until I read your post. Did this get national coverage or was it localized to your area? That might be a(weak) excuse for CBS running the episode.

Certainly you jest. You weren't lying when you told me you don't really watch TV any longer.

Its had been the story on CNN, FOX and MSNBC virtually all day Thursday while Gov SonofaBitch from Illinois, the Senate Auto Bailout and OBama's Cabinet Selections got very little time on Thursday. Caylee was found the same way and in the same condition THAT DAY as the opening of CSI. Front page of People Magazine as well as every Grocery Tabloid since the Summer.

Grandparents were guest on Larry King Wednesday Night for entire hour. Dateline NBC taped a full hour with them for Friday Night before body was found. 20/20 and Dateline went totally with it Friday night.

Its certainly had 1000x more coverage than the Train Crash in LA several months ago that brought a live opening statement from the actors on Numb3rs several weeks ago.

The last time something of this nature had this much National Attention was Lacey Peterson and I assume you know what that circus was like.

So yes, I guess you are a cave dweller....BTW, an African American made history and was elected President if you missed that too....

LOL... yeah, I remember that happening, sometime around the beginning of Nov right? :p

I don't directly watch much of the news, I'll catch some highlights now and then, Gov SonofaBitch seems to be what I've heard most about lately(has that guy completely lost the plot, or what :rolleyes:).

Anyway, checked out the story, very sad indeed. :(

(BTW, was that the right email?)

I had heard the Caylee story, but had no clue about any garbage bag or anything else, not everyone reads/watches every tragedy out there and I would bet that a minority of the audience knew the details prior to the ep - or the readers of this thread until reading your posts.

I had heard the Caylee story, but had no clue about any garbage bag or anything else, not everyone reads/watches every tragedy out there and I would bet that a minority of the audience knew the details prior to the ep - or the readers of this thread until reading your posts.I avoid tragedy news coverage at all cost but through some subliminal osmosis I guess I was informed. I knew the details; however, I didn’t think about the poor tragic reality of Caylee. I was more in tune with jebbez and his hefty hefty hefty crack. :D When that scene played out I joked to my wife about how those bags are more than 3ml thick—like the regular contractor bags I use to discard our trash. We laughed.:D

i think he finally did a few eps back

That was just it, you don't know the way it was presented, but it seemed to me that he didn't. That visit was part of his thought process of deciding whether to stay or leave CSI. But if they did............................. :D

But Langston wasn't even in the picture when Grissom said Catherine would lead the team.

I am not talking about from the story line prospective, but from the fan prospective. It has been out there since last spring that Petersen was leaving and that is when Fishburne was announced (about the same time it was announced that Lauren Lee Smith's Riley Adams would replace Jorja Fox's Sara Sidle) but his characters position on the team was still up in the air. Some people in the entertainment media at the time were saying he would step straight into the supervisor role and that is when the producers started getting fans reactions to that and it was overwhelming against Fishburne's character (publicly unnamed at the time since they were still creating it) stepping into the shift supervisor slot. Marg Helgenberger's Catherine Willows was the fans choice for shift supervisor.

I personally think in the long run, that is a better choice because now it sets up some tension between Willows and Langston. Willows the CSI vet who knows the system and how to use it; and Langston, the new guy who knows the science better than all of them but a novice in the criminal justice system and how to use that science to put bad guys behind bars. You are basically taking the Grissom character (who knew the science and knew the criminal justice system) and splitting it for new dynamics in the show. If the writers handle it correctly, the backstory of the relationship between Willows and Langston could be quite interesting and could be long running. I would watch that.

I guess I didn't pay attention to the different levels, a CSI-1 is the top, or the bottom, of the ladder? It's been said that Langston would come on as a CSI-1 and if that's the bottom it just doesn't seem to fit.

CSI-3 is the top. Greg (started out as a CSI-1) just got a promotion to CSI-3 (announced in the same scene Grissom announces his leaving) and Nick is also CSI-3 and so is Catherine. Riley Adams is a CSI-2. She was a police officer in St Louis who became a CSI and then later transferred to LVPD to fill Warrick Brown's (who was also a CSI-3 upon his death) spot. Langston would be a CSI-1 since he would appear to have no previous law enforcement experience. At this point, we don't know very much about the Langston character. Nothing has really been shown other than his ability to do some rudimentary interagation and he can head up a lecture class and he seems to know the criminal mind very well. Beyond that, the canvas is blank.

If Fishburne can be convincing, this could be a good line up. I would think you would see Greg and Nick's characters expand in depth, but probable not much more in camera time, something along the lines of what they did with Warrick the past few seasons until they were ready to get rid of him. Get into story lines without really increasing camera time overall.

The end of the William Peterson Story and the Caylee Anthony story - both on the same day.

That's not exactly true.

A body was found that investigators thought might be Caylee, but a positive identification has not yet been made even as of the time I'm posting.

That's significant as the remains found were not the first remains found investigators thought could be Caylee.

Crap, I forgot yesterday was Thursday. It wasn't a new ep, was it? My Tivo (SD) might have grabbed it, but I know my HD DVR wasn't setup for it.

rerun

No, it was a repeat of S09E03 "Art Imitates Life" (http://www.thefutoncritic.com/listings.aspx?id=20081204cbs12), originally broadcast on 23 October.

The big network shows are delivered in 1080/24p, he says, although they are shown in 1080i or 720P.
HDCam SR is the most common delivery format


CSI" is a good example of a classic TV series that mixes classic 35mm acquisition with a hybrid form of online. To finish "CSI," the Post Group goes linear, exploiting its good old tape-based Axial edit controller/Snell & Wilcox switcher room full of VTRs.
First, The Post Group telecines the show's footage - they use Thomson's Spirit and Cintel's DSX -- to HDCam SR in 4:2:2 color space while simultaneously transferring to DVCam and to Avid's standard-def MST (Media Station Telecine). The SD MST serves as pre-digitized offline media which is delivered on FireWire drives to editorial.

Magalski says that SD offline will fade away in the next year or two: "There will be a paradigm shift away from offlining in standard def to offlining in high def at a more compressed resolution. Today the vast majority are SD offlines.




from:
October 1, 2008
http://www.postmagazine.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=132F4DC3278A47EE88F7533A7D809EDF

Repeat again tonight. Too bad. I am waiting patiently for the new ones to start. I guess they didn't want the possiblity that people would turn their TV's off after the Championship game.

Bush Address Pushes Back Peterson's Final "CSI"
CBS delaying lineup by 15 minutes, new "CSI" now airing at 9:15 p.m.
By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable, 1/14/2009 10:37:00 AM
CBS isn't letting President George W. Bush's farewell TV address cut into its prime time schedule, particularly since that includes William Peterson's much-promoted final episode on CSI.

CBS said Wednesday that it would air the lineup in its entirety Jan. 15 following the president's 15-minute speech at 8 p.m.

That means CSI won't start until 9:15, CBS let everybody know in a programming advisory. The night starts off--well, after the president--with a repeat of the episode that introduces Peterson's replacement, Laurence Fishburne.

I wonder if they are going to delay it on the West too?

I wonder if they are going to delay it on the West too?

Doubt it, no reason to.

The guy can't even leave office without messing things up! :p


ron

KDKA not in HD here in Pittsburgh from about the 40' mark of the "pre"finale of Gil Grissom (repeat from weeks ago)

hopefully the finale of Gil will not be in SD
:mad:

So, thoughts?

My take is was a good exit, he didn't die and looked like he was going to live a life. It may be out there but I loved the "Forensic Astronomy".

Weird, I thought this could be a a good series finale, everything was in place, Grissom walking the halls observing his flock as they did their jobs and just looking up and smiling as he walked by, I will miss Grissom terribly, who else can pull off "forensics astronomy" but Gil? No one. I will give Langston a chance as I have seen every episode and will continue to do so.
Apparently, being a C.S.I. affords you with the resources to take an extended sabbatical when you get burned out..where do I sign up?
I liked how he ended up hooking up with Sara and the bullet time nod to Fishbourne was sweet......

Don't forget Grissom, in essence, had no life and hasn't really even taken vacation before, so he's probably got a few years of paid time off coming.

Couple that with what's likely a high five figure or low six figure salary in a city with a relatively low cost of living, and it's not even remotely improbable.

So, thoughts?

Arrrgh! I let you know if I ever get to see the episode. Despite checking and rechecking the DVR scheduling, it still managed to dump the recording: "unexpected conflict" ... Heck of a job "W." And cbs.com's online player is just a complete mess ...

Weird, I thought this could be a a good series finale, everything was in place, Grissom walking the halls observing his flock as they did their jobs and just looking up and smiling as he walked by, I will miss Grissom terribly, who else can pull off "forensics astronomy" but Gil? No one. I will give Langston a chance as I have seen every episode and will continue to do so.
Apparently, being a C.S.I. affords you with the resources to take an extended sabbatical when you get burned out..where do I sign up?
I liked how he ended up hooking up with Sara and the bullet time nod to Fishbourne was sweet......

Funny you should say that, because some series that have ended haven't had as satisfying an episode.....and the final scene was the kind of payoff of a "loose end" that often doesn't get played out these days.

I thought the end was weak.

I was kinda hoping Grissom would run off with Lady Heather........

Walt

I was kinda hoping Grissom would run off with Lady Heather........

WaltShe was in the hut, warming up the toys. :D

I thought the end was weak.

and some what predictable

I was ok with the ending. It leaves it open for him to come back on occasion. It was also pretty much like it happens in real life.

I will retire on June 30, 2009 and plan to walk out of my building and straight to my boat on Lake Erie. I hope it goes as smooth as Gil's exit.:D

Only thing is my wife won't like it if Sara is there!!

The guy can't even leave office without messing things up! :p


ron

x1000

dammit....I'm probably screwed....set CSI to record days ago and didn't know about the 15 minute delay......CRAP

dammit....I'm probably screwed....set CSI to record days ago and didn't know about the 15 minute delay......CRAP

I remember specifically setting my DVR to record the episode, but apparently, when the time changed in the guide, the DVR dumped the recording instructions. Luckily, I noticed the time change and decided to watch it live. But, it would seem like for the intelligence built into the DVR software, that when there are updates to the program guide's schedule, they would translate to the recording instructions previously set to record that episode, wouldn't it?

I told a friend last night after the ending that it was the first time in a long while that I actually cheered for an ending of something on a TV show.

I thought Bill Irwin was excellent. Hopefully, he'll get an Emmy nod for his DJK performance.

My dish dvr recorded the ep in it's entirety. I liked the ending though it was kind of predictable it fit. Not as surprising as when nurse Hathaway hooked up with Doug on her last ER ep, but providing the same kind of closure. Of course it also leaves it open for him to return.

Laurence Fishburne's character is starting to grow on me. I like the fish out of water character that he portrays and brings more of a "normal person" perspective to the show. Decent 1st non-grissom episode last night

Laurence Fishburne's character is starting to grow on me. I like the fish out of water character that he portrays and brings more of a "normal person" perspective to the show. Decent 1st non-grissom episode last night

I agree. I was expecting Fishburne to play more of a leadership role (which would be usual for him) so to see him as the noob rookie was a refreshing change of pace and I enjoyed it more than I thought I would.

Only thing that seemed a bit whacked to me was his nearly vomiting at the burned body and the skin coming off, then it seemed a couple minutes later he was tearing into the guy's trachea during the autopsy.

Oh, and the whole setting off an explosion on the roof of a building seemed a bit odd as well, since it would seem they a) wouldn't want an explosion on the roof and b) would have some people there for safety....you know, with fire extinguishers and stuff. But I can dismiss that as "makes for more interesting TV" I suppose.

Great episode last night. Seems like the show has a different feel, but in a good way.

One thing, however...how did they identify Hatfords fingerprints on the gun when at the very beginning of the show, they showed his fingerpsints didnt even exist? His finger tips were smooth and not with prints of any kind

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I also liked last nights episode. It was 'shocking' when that guy shot him self in the ring. I wonder if that was really an accident or he wanted to kill himself.

He thought everyone was a phony, including Brass and his men..Great episode!!

My dish dvr recorded the ep in it's entirety. I liked the ending though it was kind of predictable it fit. Not as surprising as when nurse Hathaway hooked up with Doug on her last ER ep, but providing the same kind of closure. Of course it also leaves it open for him to return.

Given that the ending is what many of us have been hoping for over five years now, I happen to think it was perfect. :D

Great episode last night. Seems like the show has a different feel, but in a good way.

One thing, however...how did they identify Hatfords fingerprints on the gun when at the very beginning of the show, they showed his fingerpsints didnt even exist? His finger tips were smooth and not with prints of any kind

His prints got on the gun before his fingertips were altered.

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I also liked last nights episode. It was 'shocking' when that guy shot him self in the ring. I wonder if that was really an accident or he wanted to kill himself.

I thought they made it clear that he thought they were fake cops just like the fake FBI agents, so their guns would also be unloaded.

Didn't that dude play on a few episodes of E-Ring?

Where's all the weekly postings for CBS's weekly programming?
NCIS, CSI: Miami, CSI, Cold Case, Without a Trace.
Seemed that a year ago, there was more weekly postings.

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I liked this past weeks episode of CSI. The new 'lead' CSI is doing a good job.

Where's all the weekly postings for CBS's weekly programming?
NCIS, CSI: Miami, CSI, Cold Case, Without a Trace.
Seemed that a year ago, there was more weekly postings.

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I liked this past weeks episode of CSI. The new 'lead' CSI is doing a good job. I gave up on WAT. It just wasn’t doing it for me anymore. As for the other shows, I only watch the original CSI and that had better pick up or I’ll drop it too. This past weeks episode had a weird feel to it-- seemed like they streamed-lined a two-part episode and made it into one.

With the loss of three characters, they have to redevelop the personalities and make it more interesting.

Where's all the weekly postings for CBS's weekly programming?
NCIS, CSI: Miami, CSI, Cold Case, Without a Trace.
Seemed that a year ago, there was more weekly postings.

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I liked this past weeks episode of CSI. The new 'lead' CSI is doing a good job.
There is less posting, but in the last several weeks there's been a lot of repeat airings of CBS shows.

NCIS is a victim of Tuesday night overload - Am Idol, Fringe, Mentalist, WAT. My DVRs can't keep up, so I decided to watch it on Comcast On Demand, if I can get to it before they delete it. But, to be honest, the show just isn't the same without Lauren Holly.

I noticed the last show (Feb 26) had Liz Vassey credited as 'Special Guest Star'.
I thought she was one of the regular Lab Rats...

Maybe it was because she had more face time than normal ?

Walt

What was with the title cards for each of the murders, I don't remember seeing that before. Also, they were pretty lame.

I noticed the last show (Feb 26) had Liz Vassey credited as 'Special Guest Star'.
I thought she was one of the regular Lab Rats...

Maybe it was because she had more face time than normal ?

Walt

She's actually been listed that way for a while....which I agree is odd for a series regular.

I must admit, I'm really liking Raymond Langston.
I think his role is really good. He's always calm.

Good episode last night, I wish there was more of it.

I must admit, I'm really liking Raymond Langston.
I think his role is really good. He's always calm.

Good episode last night, I wish there was more of it.

yea but i still miss grissom

yea but i still miss grissom

Me too. I'm still watching, but it's not the same show. Grissom was the glue that held the show together.

Did anyone else experience several audio drops in the last week, particular on CSI (and Numbers)...

They range from a second to several seconds, and most are accompanied by pixelation. Weather was good in the area when these were recorded???

This has got to be the most hilarious CSI ever... these Hodges fantasy sequences are absolute gold!

Definitely not the same show at all anymore. I think it's falling fast without William Peterson.

This has got to be the most hilarious CSI ever... these Hodges fantasy sequences are absolute gold!

Was that Ron Moore and Grace Park in the audience? Great nod to BSG.

That has got to be the best sendup of Star Trek since Galaxy Quest.:D

Liz Vassey looked......amazing. :o

Was that Ron Moore and Grace Park in the audience? Great nod to BSG.

That has got to be the best sendup of Star Trek since Galaxy Quest.:D

Liz Vassey looked......amazing. :o

I was just coming on here to ask if that was them LOL

*eta - and Kate Vernon was in the ep too (Ellen Tigh)

I was just coming on here to ask if that was them LOL

*eta - and Kate Vernon was in the ep too (Ellen Tigh)

Ah, you're right!

Was that Ron Moore and Grace Park in the audience? Great nod to BSG.




Nearly spit my drink out when I saw Ron Moore pop on the screen and yell "YOU SUCK!" Didn't see Grace Park, though. Incidentally, this episode was written by Bradley Thompson and David Weddle.

I think it would be fun to list all the little scifi things that were in the epsisode. I thought it was great, and there are probably more than I saw.

The best line ever in CSI: He's Dead Jim. - i wonder how long they have been waiting to say that.

The 3 guests from BSG as already noticed.

The kid in the upstairs room, stood up and had to adjust his uniform in the Picard Maneuver.

The name of the show Astro Quest, as in Galexy Quest.

The bridge layout, uniforms.

The blond in the episode was ranked yoman just like Janice Rand from Star Trek.

The orion slave girl fantasy.

The planet that the fantasy were on was so similar to Star Trek the Next Generation with the sky and some rocks. It was pretty much the same in every away mission in season 1.

The reference to the red shirt dying.

the captain being like Kirk with every female around.

The name of the episode that were going to watch, similar to the great next gen episode Yesterdays Enterprise.

Others?

Let's not forget the ripped uniform of the commander. That has to be the funniest episode since "Ending Happy".

I haven't yet found Kate Vernon but Torrie was also in the crowd, down in front to the somewhat distant right of Grace Park.

Edit: Oh, wow, Kate slimmed down a lot. I kept looking for her in the main crowd scene where the others were.

Wow - this was the first episode of CSI I've had to fast-forward through in a long time.

I just wasn't feeling the Wendy/Hodges thing, and it just felt painful and forced.

A few good lines here and there but otherwise it seemed sort of desperate.

It's got to go in my bottom two or three episodes ever. :(

just on observation...

Is William Peterson actually that "stuffy"? I mean, look at the kinda stuff they put out since his departure as Grissom? I saw Zucker one time on a Dennis Miller talk show a while back. He's zany as hell! A tour bus driver once or something... Anyhow, the shows lately seem to definately reflect this Zucker guy rather than the conservative Peterson.

Kudos to Zuker and Fishburne!

Ok, I gotta put this out there...

Dont you think this Hodges dude looks a little like Stabler from L&A:SVU?

I liked it and I don't watch BSG. I like the lab geeks. Good stuff, a refreshing fun eppy.

Ok, I gotta put this out there...

Dont you think this Hodges dude looks a little like Stabler from L&A:SVU?

....now that you mention it....

Definitely not the same show at all anymore. I think it's falling fast without William Peterson.

I do not agree here. I think the new lead is great.
I would feel the same about the two lead stars of Law & Order: SVU, though. If they were not in the show anymore, it wouldn't be the same.

Last night's episode was good. It would be cool if Hodges and home girl hooked up. :p

I didn't realize that was Ron Moore shouting "YOU SUCK"....but that's pretty damn funny.

Really liked this episode and LOL'd a few times (loved the mom having to put her hand on the scanner to get in the room), and Wendy bellydancing was nice as well (the other outfit/hairstyle didn't do it for me....but she always looks nice in the labcoat).

Nice to see Hodges and Wendy kindof hooking up....sortof.

I miss Grissom, but I don't think the show has suffered too much without him.

I think it would be fun to list all the little scifi things that were in the epsisode. I thought it was great, and there are probably more than I saw.

The best line ever in CSI: He's Dead Jim. - i wonder how long they have been waiting to say that.

The 3 guests from BSG as already noticed.

The kid in the upstairs room, stood up and had to adjust his uniform in the Picard Maneuver.

The name of the show Astro Quest, as in Galexy Quest.

The bridge layout, uniforms.

The blond in the episode was ranked yoman just like Janice Rand from Star Trek.

The orion slave girl fantasy.

The planet that the fantasy were on was so similar to Star Trek the Next Generation with the sky and some rocks. It was pretty much the same in every away mission in season 1.

The reference to the red shirt dying.

the captain being like Kirk with every female around.

The name of the episode that were going to watch, similar to the great next gen episode Yesterdays Enterprise.

Others?

Okay, this is going to sound random, but one fantasy was backed by music from a 1958/1959 record album called "Fantastica", Music from Outer Space by Russ Garcia (and Orchestra). What a well thought out episode!

As a Star Trek fan, I enjoyed the episode.. A few reasons why there was no smooth transition between Grissom and Fishbourne.. Point 1 is that Fishbourne has to start from the bottom of CSI, not Griff's supervisory position.. Second is that they already have a doctor as a major cast member,, Still one of my favorite shows..

I like most of the new eps so far. A few rough ones, but good overall and it was the writing/story that was the problem in the bad eps, not Fishbourne.

Loved the ep last night. Really good stuff. Grissom was great but so far I think they've made a pretty smooth transition. Now that they've got the inevitable "initial" Fishbourne ep's out of the way, it's back to business.


ron

I liked it too, these "dramedy" eps are fun once in awhile.

two of the worst eps ever, back to back
next week looks like they may be back on track
a couple more crappy eps and i must say good-bye to what has been my favorite network series

During Hodges' daydreams, I kept remembering what Wendy told him in another episode. (Where Hodges was making the 'Lab Rats' game).
Wendy : "You're the Dumbest Smart Guy I know".
Hodges: "You think I'm smart ?".

I've been a Liz Vassey fan for quite some time now, so to me last night's episode was quite a treat. Mainly for those outfits they put her in. :D

I'm probably in the minority here, but I am finding that I like the episodes that feature the supporting cast more than I do the regulars. For example, the episodes where Hodges and the other techs worked together to try and figure out the Minature Killer case, the Hodges' board game episode, and last night's to me were my favorites.

I'm probably in the minority here, but I am finding that I like the episodes that feature the supporting cast more than I do the regulars. For example, the episodes where Hodges and the other techs worked together to try and figure out the Minature Killer case, the Hodges' board game episode, and last night's to me were my favorites.

I agree with you, so you arn't the only one. I definately enjoyed those episodes. I think its because they are fresh and episodes about them are different. It wouldn't work as a show only with them but a few episodes are great.

Adam

I thought it was brilliant... and honestly I don't miss Grissom a lick at this point. By the end, he was just plain weird and the daddy/daughter thing with Sarah was creepy. I like that they have Fishbourne involved more ont he autopsy side, it's a nice change. Knowing a great many hard core Trekkies, I thought the episode was outstandingly accurate ;)

two of the worst eps ever, back to back
next week looks like they may be back on track
a couple more crappy eps and i must say good-bye to what has been my favorite network series

I have to agree with you, even if others here don't.

I thought it was brilliant... and honestly I don't miss Grissom a lick at this point. By the end, he was just plain weird and the daddy/daughter thing with Sarah was creepy.

Uh, yeah.

Grissom and Sara's relationship had been building or ongoing since… well, since season one and it's suddenly weird?

Absolutely LOVED this quirky and humerous (sic) CSI episode. I enjoy the lab geek side characters. Best sendup since the 'Galaxy Quest' masterpiece.

We need more hot co-worker fantasies.

Uh, yeah.

Grissom and Sara's relationship had been building or ongoing since… well, since season one and it's suddenly weird?

No, it was ALWAYS weird. It was awkward. It was creepy. And there are PLENTY of fans who agree with me ;) There was something not so vaguely incestuous about the entire thing.

Grissom and Sara's relationship had been building or ongoing since… well, since season one and it's suddenly weird?

Clearly, a minority of viewers are unconsciously projecting their own dark impulses. Nothing wrong with Gris & Sara.

Clearly, a minority of viewers are unconsciously projecting their own dark impulses. Nothing wrong with Gris & Sara.Even if there may be some projection in the incestuous/Oedipus comments,
it does not change the ill-advised and potentially illegal supervisor/subordinate aspect,
nor does it proscribe folks like my wife, who just dislike Sara.

v/r,
C-F

Others?

Well, Shatner's hair piece. :)

The costume that covered the female navel. Believe it or not, in the original Star Trek the network went back on forth on whether or not they had to cover them. Most of the time they did yet sometimes they got away with it, most notably in A Private Little War.

The punishment collars and most of the "A mate will be selected for me" dialog was from the Gamesters of Triskelion.

It would be an Elektra complex, not Oedipus.

I guess W. Peterson is still involved with the show. His name is in the opening credits. Wonder if he has any actual involvement with it.

I think L. Fishburne gives the show some fresh air, he's a great actor. So hopefully the writing will continue to improve and the show remains successful. My favorite of all the CSI shows.

William Peterson is still an Executive Producer for the show. That means he has money in it, and, he makes money from it.

I think the writing in this show has left a lot to be desired recently. I am getting to the point of maybe not watching for a while

I think the writing in this show has left a lot to be desired recently. I am getting to the point of maybe not watching for a while

Give it one more week as they appear to be back to a typical case this week.

It's strange as it wasn't due to WP's departure as the first few episodes after he left were really good.

I can't be the only one surprised at how LF went from new guy learning the ropes to apparently ultra-experienced guy in just a few episodes…

Having watched all of the ST:TOS episodes with my dad when I was a kid, and then many, many times since then, the last CSI episode was a brilliant spoof / homage. It may have been a better spoof than Galaxy Quest.

The lines (some almost word for word), mannerisms, and sets were spot-on (the orange / red glowing background in the slave fantasy sequence set was just soooo well done).

Count me in the crowd that is enjoying the changes to the series - when CSI debuted, there was no other show like it. Stylish, innovative, well defined characters, concentrating on the scientific side of the police procedural that no other series was doing ... but just like other ground breaking series, doing the same thing year after year just makes the show tired (to me). So I appreciate fresh blood and trying different things.

I would rather have seen Grissom and Lady Heather end up together - never did like the Sarah character all that much.

Cliff

I would rather have seen Grissom and Lady Heather end up together - never did like the Sarah character all that much.

Cliff

Lady Heather...(sigh)

Do not fwd this post to wife

nd up together - never did like the Sarah character all that much.

Please.

It was clear Grissom and Sara were destined since season 1, and made much, much clearer in S4 and beyond…

It was clear Grissom and Sara were destined since season 1, and made much, much clearer in S4 and beyond…

*shrug* Not arguing that - I watched CSI from the beginning and it was pretty clear the direction that the writers wanted to take with Grissom and Sara. I just personally didn't like the Sara character much (my wife intensely disliked the character) and thought Lady Heather was a much more interesting character.

Cliff

Lady Heather was a great character and her relationship with Grissom I thought would be better than Sara. Lady Heather and Grissom were so different yet so close. I don't really remember why Grissom and Sara were together.

Lady Heather was a great character and her relationship with Grissom I thought would be better than Sara. Lady Heather and Grissom were so different yet so close. I don't really remember why Grissom and Sara were together.

Because in many ways she was a great counterpart to he; she had just as scientific a mind as Grissom, but exhibited the emotion that he had problems with showing.

They of course had past history, which is why Sara came out to Las Vegas in the first place in episode two of the first season when Grissom asked her to.

It was clear all along that they were meant to be together; perhaps the feelings were more on her side than on his to begin with, but IMHO the fourth season episode Butterflied cemented that he deeply cared for Sara as well.

Recall his speech to Lurie:

"It's sad, isn't it, doc? Guys like us. Couple of middle-aged men who've allowed their work to consume their lives. The only time we ever touch other people is when we're wearing our latex gloves. We wake up one day and realize that for fifty years we haven't really lived at all. But then, all of a sudden ... we get a second chance. Somebody young and beautiful shows up. Somebody ...we could care about. She offers us a new life with her ...but we have a big decision to make, right? Because we have to risk everything we've worked for in order to have her. I couldn't do it... but you did. You risked it all.. and she showed you a wonderful life, didn't she? But then she took it away and gave it to somebody else...and you were lost. So you took her life. You killed them both, and now you have nothing."

There were of course looks between the two off and on throughout following seasons until their relationship became canon for once and for all at the end of season six.

I thought the episode was funny. I never watched much Star Trek, but I know enough of it to know what they were spoofing and how funny it was.

Got to love Whatisitcon. :D

Count me in the crowd that is enjoying the changes to the series - when CSI debuted, there was no other show like it.

There was no fictional show like it. There was at least one cable show at the time that described actual crime investigations in gruesome detail and clearly inspired CSI, just like "Cold Case Files" inspired "Cold Case". It was common to see CSI plots coming straight from actual investigations on the cable show.

There was no fictional show like it. There was at least one cable show at the time that described actual crime investigations in gruesome detail and clearly inspired CSI, just like "Cold Case Files" inspired "Cold Case". It was common to see CSI plots coming straight from actual investigations on the cable show.

Ah, yes, good point. I wasn't even thinking about non-fiction shows. I mostly watch fictional series, but every now and then pop over to one of the "cable" channels and watch a show like Emergency Room Stories or First 24 Hours (or shows named something like that). They are mostly well-done and fast flowing (at least when DVR'ing and skipping commercials) and I specially like the ones that are not re-enactments.

Cliff

It would be an Elektra complex, not Oedipus.Thanks, I thought there was another phrase. I thought it would be more prominent in the Oedipus page in Wikipedia, but I did not see it then.

v/r,
C-F

So the rock and hammer are gonna be there after 18 years?? Come onnn!!

So the rock and hammer are gonna be there after 18 years?? Come onnn!!

Well, the rock was kept in evidence.

Everyone knows that if you throw a hammer into a tree, the bark will grow around it to preserve critical DNA evidence for at least 18 years. :rolleyes:

Ha, nice.

I liked the season finale.

Had to check after watching to see if it really was a season finale. Kinda weak season finale...good episode, but weak as a season finale.

Jacob!!


ron

I liked the season finale.

Uh, yeah.

The weakest season finale CSI's had, bar none.

To be blunt, it even felt like "whoops, we ran out of time, let's end it here."

I agree. ha

Just a reminder that the season premiere is next week, Sept. 24 2009, and

features the return of Jorja Fox as Sara Sidle.

The season premiere aired last night and not even one mention.
I have this recorded but now wonder if it's even worth watching?
Was the season premiere that uneventful or nobody is watching this show anymore?

I watched it and thought it was a pretty good episode. The ending has a lead-in to next week's show. It makes you wonder if they'll start doing continuing drama, a la Lost & Grey's Anatomy, or this is a one-time thing.

new serial killer arc

I liked it. Loved the opening, Matrix-style....complete with Fishburne as well.

I think it's just going to be another serial killer arc, similar to what they've done in the past....which is my favorite style: self-contained episodes with an ongoing sub-plot.

I was bummed to see Riley(Lauren Lee Smith) was not back this season. Enjoyed "looking" at her, lol.

Decent episode. The opening scene kinda dragged on and on, ok we get it something went down in the lab with gunfire and violence.

I was bummed to see Riley(Lauren Lee Smith) was not back this season. Enjoyed "looking" at her, lol.


Was she Hodge's love interest? I can't remember and am horrible with names...

Was she Hodge's love interest? I can't remember and am horrible with names...

No. She was the new person (blonde) on the team that came in with a bad attitude. They toned down that part of her character during the second half of the season. I didn't particularly like her character.

Was she Hodge's love interest? I can't remember and am horrible with names...

No. He has the hots for Wendy (Liz Vassey-who is apparently no longer a "guest star").

Tastes vary, but I really liked Riley. That was a surprise that she's out and suddenly Sara's back in.

Sara is hard to look at in HD

I thought the season opener was good. Did not get the connection with the Matrix w/ Fishburne at first.

Sara is hard to look at in HD

You're kidding, right?

Nice to see Enrique Murciano from WAT guest staring on last night's episode.
I liked the episode.

I noticed Cassidy Freeman who plays Tess on Smallville had a small guest role on CSI this week too.

Where is the 'Special Event: CSI Trilogy' thread? :p
I thought it was 'OK' nothing too good. It was a plus Fishburne had a big role in all three episodes. I don't think Sinise or Caruso had as big of a part as Fishburn did.

Where is the 'Special Event: CSI Trilogy' thread? :p
I thought it was 'OK' nothing too good. It was a plus Fishburne had a big role in all three episodes. I don't think Sinise or Caruso had as big of a part as Fishburn did.

I was really looking forward to this, but I felt let down when it was over. Maybe I just expected more, but it felt forced and the interactions among the main characters didn't feel like anything special.

I thought that when CSI:NY first debuted and Caruso helped launch it, he and Sinise worked well together. I didn't get that feeling from either Caruso-Fishburne or Sinise-Fishburne.

I just wished there was more to it that involved all the main characters. Nick Stokes working with Danny Messer, Greg Sanders working with Ryan Wolfe, Stella Bonasera working with Calleigh Duquesne, etc., etc.

This trilogy proved to my wife and myself that CSI:Miami is horrible TV. CSI:NY is slightly better, but neither comes close to the quality of acting and writing of the oruginal CSI.

This trilogy proved to my wife and myself that CSI:Miami is horrible TV. CSI:NY is slightly better, but neither comes close to the quality of acting and writing of the oruginal CSI.

+1

That's why I only watch the original CSI

+1

That's why I only watch the original CSI

There are only two words I can think of to watch CSI:Miami; "Emily Proctor."

There are only two words I can think of to watch CSI:Miami; "Emily Proctor."
I loved her on "West Wing" but she's showing a little age on CSI:Miami.

There are only two words I can think of to watch CSI:Miami; "Emily Proctor."She looks better now that her lips aren't so over inflated. They're using way too much softening on her face now though, but you can see why in an informercial she's in for a beauty product. Nevertheless she's still an attractive woman (as is Marg Helgenberger on CSI:LV)

Sara is hard to look at in HD

There's no accounting for taste, and personally I think yours is quite off. :D

There's no accounting for taste, and personally I think yours is quite off. :D

you commented on my post that Sara is hard to look at in hd, twice.
what is your deal? :confused:

Lawrence Fishbourne carried that whole trilogy.. I agree LV the best out of the 3 of them..

Lawrence Fishbourne carried that whole trilogy.. I agree LV the best out of the 3 of them..yes, but he was the only one in all three! He should have carried it - no question!

I think last night's storyline scenario really happened recently?
I heard Jay Leno joke about it.
Somebody held up a gun store and then got shot by multiple people in the gun store. The people in the gun store all had legal concealed handguns.

Best drama HD picture quality seen in a while last night (fake gold bars episode). According to this late-'09 article (http://digitalcontentproducer.com/cameras/revfeat/format_wars_0909/index2.html) (page 3), the producer said they'd use the Sony F-35 digital camera and HDCAM-SR tape machine. First page of the article discusses other CSI-show camera options, but it seems like CSI:Miami is still too fuzzy, and CSI Vegas needs work, IMO, to match or exceed its former (presumably) 35mm production. Wish other all-digital producers (NCIS, etc.) would match CSI NY's 1080/24p HD quality. (WCBS-DT, no subchannels, via NYC TWC to 65" 1080p plasma @8') -- John

CSI Vegas needs work, IMO, to match or exceed its former (presumably) 35mm production.

CSI (Las Vegas) has always been shot on 35mm film.

Glimmie said (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=593656):CSI is done at www.postgroup.com. Scanned on either a Thomson Spirit1 or a Cintel DSX.
10-21-2005

Here's some info about CSI on cinematography of season 1 from American Cinematographer:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=16394066&postcount=12

check out
CSI: Crime Scene Investigation - The First Season (Blu-ray)

Was last nights episode new? We were preemted by teh ACC Tournament and they are runnign it late tonight, but the description is for a rerun. Just wanted to make sure before we did not record it.

CSI (Las Vegas) has always been shot on 35mm film.

Glimmie said (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=593656):
10-21-2005

Here's some info about CSI on cinematography of season 1 from American Cinematographer:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=16394066&postcount=12

check out
CSI: Crime Scene Investigation - The First Season (Blu-ray)
Thanks, kspaz, for the refresh '05 link on CSI:Vegas. Recall the digitalcontentproducer.com article indicated this original CSI was sticking with 35mm but the others were going all-digital for the current season. But the CSI:NY this week, mentioned above, had such excellent contrast and detail for digital capture, seemingly exceeding CS:Vegas PQ, that the productions seemed to be getting ambiguous. IMDB.com seems to often list 2010 shows only as 1.78:1 under their tech spec sections, not all the camera changes. Then again, I've been catching CSI Vegas on Fridays from TWC's HD VOD channel, which likely shaves off some of the PQ. -- John

EDIT: Yes, Lee L, Thursday's episode was new. Just watched it on TWC's HD VOD channel.

Confusing episode last night.
The ending was a lil sad.

Confusing episode last night.
The ending was a lil sad.

very

writers are trying too hard to have twist upon twist

why would the boy claw at blood on old bloody shirt if he was their to remove the evidence to cover up fire?

can anyone explain last nights episode? I also found it very confusing.. Was the lady lawyer involved? Sad about the kids..

But the CSI:NY this week, mentioned above, had such excellent contrast and detail for digital capture,
It is shot on The Sony F-35 camera.

CSI: NY - CBS- [Sony] F35 - Mike Most & Mark H. Weingartner
SOURCE: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=143112443825

The F-35 was used on ABC's "Defying Gravity" last Summer.
also the new Pilot for "V"

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/product-F35/

why would the boy claw at blood on old bloody shirt if he was their to remove the evidence to cover up fire?

It's implied he either got the blood on his fingers leafing through what he thought was the correct box or trying to stop himself from falling when he was startled.

Interesting episode tonight.
The whole cast seemed silly. Not sure if it was all a "dream" or if the cast was really being silly.

Interesting episode tonight.
The whole cast seemed silly. Not sure if it was all a "dream" or if the cast was really being silly.

I think CSI does one of these "silly" episodes each year where Hodges and Wendy get to hook up. If I remember correctly, last year the episode was somewhat Star Trek based.

You're right. I remember that episode.

It wasn't a dream, the silly parts were Hodge's version enhancing his role and poking fun at the others. I thought it was a fantastic ep. Loved that they slipped in some Ghostbusters lines too: "I collect spores, molds, and fungus." and "Back off man, I'm a toxicologist." The latter of course a paraphrase, but all hilarious.

And he and Wendy didn't hook up last year, just learned their attraction. Now they'll hook up at some point.

I think CSI does one of these "silly" episodes each year where Hodges and Wendy get to hook up. If I remember correctly, last year the episode was somewhat Star Trek based.


Yes and tonight's new episode even featured a character quoting from a Star Trek episode "You are great. I am great!" :D

In the credits, the actors who play Hodges and Wendy were listed as writing the teleplay too!

I think CSI does one of these "silly" episodes each year where Hodges and Wendy get to hook up. If I remember correctly, last year the episode was somewhat Star Trek based.

Yeah, they do one of these off-the-wall episodes at least once a year. I thought last night's was one of the better ones like that.

There were some good one-liners in there, I liked when the boy said something like "I am concerned" and revealed his shirt that said "Concerned Scientists Association" or something.

The girl looked just like Catherine, guessing that was intentional.

I think CSI does one of these "silly" episodes each year where Hodges and Wendy get to hook up. If I remember correctly, last year the episode was somewhat Star Trek based.

I think that part of the reason they run these episodes is it gives some of the main characters relief from filming. The secondary characters get to be the main characters for a week, which allows the main characters a chance to have a rest from being on the set all the time. Then you can also use it for character development for the secondary characters.

Now, my vote for the worst episode so far this season was the Rascal Flatts episode. Hooked 220 volt to the amp and electrocuted the bass player? Give me a break, it would have fried the amp before it ever got close to shocking anyone, and the tech would certainly have never been able to finish the show using the same amp. I expect that type of foolishness from CSI:Miami, but not from CSI (Los Vegas).

Yeah, that one was pretty bad. Seems like some of the creative writing has gone downhill a bit.

Sara is hard to look at in HD

Both Sara and Nick are 10+ years older than they were in 1999 when the show started, and it shows on both of them.

Both Sara and Nick are 10+ years older than they were in 1999 when the show started, and it shows on both of them.

That certainly doesn't mean Jorja Fox is unattractive or "hard to look at" in HD.

I can't speak for George Eads. ;)

She is ghastly

She is ghastly

Whatever.

Both Sara and Nick are 10+ years older than they were in 1999 when the show started, and it shows on both of them.We're all 10+ years older than we were in 1999 when the show started, and I'm sure it shows on all of us, including YOU! :rolleyes:
Or are you so still so young that age has not yet taken its toll on you and/or you are only interested in outer looks/beauty?

10 years older just means 10 years more experience.

+ or - 10 years makes no difference for Jorja Fox :eek:

This page is funny.

Edit: 05/05/10 postings on pg. 22.

Good episode tonight.
Silly mother, shooting her husband like that. I guess she was in absolute shock.

That was a good episode.

Did anyone else have sound issues during the first 15 minutes of last night's show or was that a local problem?

No problems here. Must have been a local issue.

That was a good episode.

Did anyone else have sound issues during the first 15 minutes of last night's show or was that a local problem?

It cut out a couple times here as well.

Wow. What happened at the end? They showed a close up shot of where Langston was stabbed. Was that a shank sticking out of Langston? Maybe Langston's spinal bones?

Good finale.

When the crazy guy got shocked by the cop in his cell, he took part of his glasses off and hid them when he was laying on the floor. When Langiston came down for a final visit, he was grabbed and repeatedly stabbed in the back with what he kept of his glasses.

I knew that part. Immediately after that, something was showed to the viewers. Maybe it was the glasses I was speaking of. Like, something was sticking out of Langston's back?

It was the temple of his glasses. Are we supposed to worry about Ray dieing? That seems really weak.

It was the temple of his glasses. Are we supposed to worry about Ray dieing? That seems really weak.

Gotcha, thanks.
I was also worrying that he was dead and written out of the series.

I did a quick google search and found some reviews of a news article.

"I do not think he is dead. His contract has signed him for 62 episodes and he has only been in for about 30 episodes. "

http://www.beatweek.com/news/6160-csi-finale-spoiler-nick-stokes-shot-lives-ray-langston-left-to-die/

Langston is not dead. Fishburne has signed a contract for next season and will be back, as well as ME Doc Robbins (Robert David Hall). Others who have NOT signed up for next season yet are:

Marg Helgenberger - Katherine
Jorja Fox - Sarah Sidle
George Eads - Nick
Eric Szmanda - Greg
Paul Guilfoyle - Capt. Brass

All said they have not been given contracts yet to read over but "who really knows". Hopefully they all will but there is speculation (rumors) that someone may not be back. but this could be a low level lab rat or officer.

The thing that struck me most about the finale was how little I cared that Langston was bleeding out on the jail floor. This show seems destined for the graveyard of Friday nights unless they shake things up radically next season. Apparently the Grey's finale literally buried CSI in the ratings last night.

http://reporter.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451d69069e2013482e7b7d4970c-800wi

The thing that struck me most about the finale was how little I cared that Langston was bleeding out on the jail floor. This show seems destined for the graveyard of Friday nights unless they shake things up radically next season. Apparently the Grey's finale literally buried CSI in the ratings last night.

Hmmm, However it's CSI:NY that's been sent to Friday oblivion.
m
http://reporter.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451d69069e2013482e7b7d4970c-800wi

That's so wrong on many levels, yet so right at the same time!

Re Kanakaredes leaving CSI:NY

I've suddenly lost interest in the show.

That's no fun, sorry to hear that. Hate when my favorite cast is split up.

Is there not an official "CSI: NY on CBS in HD" thread? You might have a better discussion outlook if you post in the CSI: NY thread. :)

Liz Vassey (a.k.a. Wendy) has left the show.

Oh really?
That's not cool, I liked her as a cast member.

Liz Vassey (a.k.a. Wendy) has left the show.

I liked her as well and had wished they had shown her assets a little better on the show;)

Re Kanakaredes leaving CSI:NY

I've suddenly lost interest in the show.



+1.

I always hoped she'd be the mother of my children someday! ;)

Didn't know that Liz was leaving CSI-LV.. guess her boyfriend Wallace Langham is going to find another squeeze..Great Trekkie episode..

Can't wait!

Will be interesting to see what happens with ole Boss.

Great season opener:)I like the new bomb tec lady. gonna miss "Wendy" very easy on the eyes.

I liked it as well.
Yeah, she seems interesting.

me too, I'll miss Wendy.

All the characters got enough screen time. I'm glad they didn't plot the whole episode around Ray and his injuries. Missed Hodges and Wendy, but I like the new bomb tech woman. Hope they keep her around.
Even though Grissom is gone, there is still life in this show.

I missed the opening credits, is Jorja Fox listed as a regular again?

I must've missed a scene. Who was this guy, Ralph, some of the characters mentioned. Did they even show him?

Good episode except for Justin Bieber. The kid can't act.

Is it just me or is the dialouge getting to be too much like CSI Miami with all the cliches? Seems like the last couple of weeks has been loaded with them.

Finally a good episode

Finally a good episode

Yeah.

That gimp was so weird! ha

in quality. It helps that they are giving all the characters close to equal screen time. Willows is actually in the field more. Sarah is a regular, but I don't know how they explain that she's around, and Grissom isn't.

Decent episode last night. I wonder if this sereial killer is linked to the bomber.

The little girl called him "Squeegol"... a mispronunciation of "Smeagol"? because she's seen LotR - the killer is Andy Serkis!

The Sqweegel (http://www.argn.com/2010/10/anthony_zuiker_takes_csi_to_the_next_level_26/) character is based on an interactive book authored by Anthony Zuiker, the former Las Vegas tram driver who came up with the idea for CSI and became the producer of the show and it's spinoffs.

Haven't been logging the rock-music/lab-analysis, but couldn't miss Thursday's sequence. As usual, expected to see a rock band and singer performing in the lab...or at least a lab tech over-cranking a hi-fi amp. :-) Good drama overall. A welcome multi-parter. Wish more series would do this. -- John

The Sqweegel (http://www.argn.com/2010/10/anthony_zuiker_takes_csi_to_the_next_level_26/) character is based on an interactive book authored by Anthony Zuiker, the former Las Vegas tram driver who came up with the idea for CSI and became the producer of the show and it's spinoffs.

ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. You are correct!

I watched most of
Episode Title: 'Sqweegel' Episode Number: 1104
Original Airdate: October 14, 2010
and it looked like CSI:LV went with digital HD camera acquisition like the other series instead of 35mm film.
last I read:
CSI: New York and CSI: Miami will create new episodes using digital cameras, but CSI: Crime Scene Investigation continues to use 35mm film.
September 13, 2009
http://www.csifiles.com/news/130909_01.shtml
via
http://digitalcontentproducer.com/cameras/revfeat/format_wars_0909/index.html


Is this true?
Did this start with this season?
I viewed it on a 720p 32" HDTV so not fully detailed to see.

I can't answer that because my CBS station has switched to a 720p station, so everything on every show seems off to me.

Good episode tonite about hoarding...Where was Catherine tonite? So no more Hodges? Anyone recognize the social worker as Freckles the FBI agent from "24"?

Good episode tonite about hoarding...Where was Catherine tonite? So no more Hodges? Anyone recognize the social worker as Freckles the FBI agent from "24"?

looks like she lost quite a bit of weight.i like the way she looked on "24"better myself.

looks like she lost quite a bit of weight.i like the way she looked on "24"better myself.

She had a kid over the summer if I recall. to me she didn't look good.

Good episode tonite about hoarding...Where was Catherine tonite? So no more Hodges?

Maybe each one, other than Langston, gets to take a week off.

Anyone noticed the last two weeks there has been a Grissom reference? I know they have mixed in one every so often during last season. But this is the first time they've referenced him in back-to-back episodes. And they keep showing Sarah in the conversation, but nothing is mentioned about her being in Vegas and Grissom being somewhere else. Wonder if these references will lead to a one-episode appearance by Grissom?!?

Maybe each one, other than Langston, gets to take a week off.

Anyone noticed the last two weeks there has been a Grissom reference? I know they have mixed in one every so often during last season. But this is the first time they've referenced him in back-to-back episodes. And they keep showing Sarah in the conversation, but nothing is mentioned about her being in Vegas and Grissom being somewhere else. Wonder if these references will lead to a one-episode appearance by Grissom?!?

I've also been wondering about Sarah being back and what's really going on between her and Grissom at this point. They've never explained why she returned to Vegas.

I agree, good episode about the hoarding. :D

Hoarders on A & E channel: http://www.aetv.com/hoarders/index.jsp

I agree, good episode about the hoarding. :D

worst ep since star trek spoof
ff through most of the scenes inside house
i think "hoarding" is a scam

i think "hoarding" is a scam

No it isn't. This episode hit close to home for me because my mother and aunt have these tendencies. Growing up our house was clean but as she got older my mother just stopped and started collecting newspapers and magazines she hasn't read and uses food containers again and again, imagine newspapers piled up on the kitchen table that are months old and reusing yogurt cups and you'll begin to see what I see. I can't stay for very long when I visit my parents or i'll begin to get nervous.

My aunt has stacks of crap everywhere in her house and there is a trail to get around. Both are a result of growing up during the depression and saving what you can but there is a mental illness associated with this behaviour as well.

I grew up in a dirty house and vowed I wouldn't live like that, as a result my house is spotless most of the time.

Techies may not be hoarders but many of us get so busy we never get around to cleaning house. So things fall behind. And some folks can straighten up a room in 30 minutes when it might take some of all all day. People who were raised keeping their rooms straight grew up thinking nothing of housekeeping where as others not raised that way may have messy houses. It all depends on priorities.

Wendy (Liz Vassey) fans can see her in this week's Two and a Half Men (in which she claimed to be 47 years old :eek: in reality she is 38).

The third straight week that Grissom's name gets mentioned. Something has to be up with that. I don't think he name was mentioned three times last season, let along three straight episodes.

I really liked last night's episode. The feel of an old movie with some of the shots and storyline was really good. The whole thing between Greg and Ellen was refreshing for this show. I hope they can produce more episodes like this one.

I agree, very film noir. It reminded me of Ending Happy (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0991645) from Season 7.

Definitely enjoyed last night's episode, as well. Lots of film noir references and noir-like music. Did anyone notice the one lingering shot towards the end of the episode with a tight close-up of a "haunted looking" Greg in the left half of the screen, with the blurry background happenings in the right half? Very old-school noir (can't think off-hand of a particular old movie that used that camera composition, but there's gotta be some ... help, anyone?)

And one of the final lines: "For what it's worth, I loved you since Tuesday." That one is excellent.

I think some of the best CSI episodes have been derivative - one of my all-time favorites is Rashomama (takeoff on Rashomon).

Cliff

Part of me thinks they should have done it all in black and white, but that might have been too over the top.

Good episode tonight.
Marlee Matlin is pretty
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5606/450matlin05b.jpg

On CBS's 'CSI,' an old star's return
Or so it's reported that William Petersen will return
By Louisa Ada Seltzer, Media Life Magazine - February 3rd, 2011

Nothing says sweeps like a big guest star, and the reported return of former series star William Petersen is about the best "CSI" could do for tonight at 9 p.m. on CBS.

Since Petersen's departure two years ago, "CSI" has seen its ratings decline drastically. Peterson's absence has played some role, but a lot of other factors have as well, led by increased competition from "Grey's Anatomy" and "The Office." And the procedural has suffered as well from aging, which is no real surprise considering it's 10 years old.

CBS has been coy about Petersen's return, refusing to confirm whether he'll be back in tonight's episode, which focuses on the mother of the character he played for so many years, Gil Grissom.

But word has leaked onto the internet that Petersen is indeed set to appear, and his appearance would fit naturally into the storyline, in which Grissom's wife, Sara (Jorja Fox), finds out about a relationship in her husband's past.

"CSI" is averaging a 3.2 adults 18-49 rating this season, down from a 3.4 last year and on pace for its lowest-rated season yet.

Petersen's appear could give the show a needed boost.

Even with Petersen, though, "CSI" would face a hard slog.

Every network has originals on this first night of February sweeps, and Fox's competing "Bones" and "The Office" both hit season highs or near-highs in recent weeks.

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/art...r-s-return.asp



Was last night's appearance his only one this season? You would think they'd want to promote it with ratings dipping. They definitely didn't promote it last night.

Not sure if there will be more Grissom this season. He really wasn't in this episode much either. He need to come back and help them find "I Am No One" killer. This was a very good episode. Marlee Matin is really good looking. Marg Helgenberger is looking better too, she changed her hairstyle or something.

Wow. Fantastic episode tonight.

10/10 :)

Agreed. I prefer having storylines in one episode like the show used to be, keeps things more interesting.

a high profile serial killer is able to switch id's with another inmate?
i don't think so

a high profile serial killer is able to switch id's with another inmate?
i don't think so

I'd fire everybody on duty and give the switcher Haskell's sentences. Absolutely ludicrous. At least they killed off Bieber.

Another really good episode last night. The storyline with the pregnant girl and her baby was really moving, especially for someone like me with two young girls of my own. And Langston going for help from Lady Heather has lots of potential.

Another really good episode last night. The storyline with the pregnant girl and her baby was really moving, especially for someone like me with two young girls of my own. And Langston going for help from Lady Heather has lots of potential.

Loved Jorja Fox's reaction to Lady H. Something about Lady Heather mesmerizes the CSI guys...and me. ;)

Lady H. AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg!

After watching last night's episode, anyone else get the feeling their laying the groundwork for CSI: LA or ushering in a new character or two next season?

I do not.

Although, I like how the whole Haskell 3-part episode. I wonder if the Season Finale will be Ray catching Haskell. That would seem like a good closer IMO.

Good episode last night.

loved that ray killed haskell instead of walking away as would be the usual network crap

Interesting twist at the end, it could set the show up for a big shake up if they wanted to go that route. I have no idea what the status of the show is in terms of who is signed for how long, so it could be interesting.

Checked back in to see the Season Finale, and wanted to see how Fish was doing, as I'm a fan. A great episode imo. The first fight scene, As Ray was laying in to him, Haskell began to do the Rocky slur and by the end, was lisping like Jim Carrey in Cable Guy. At the end I could hear Mick saying "go to the body Ray", with those devastating kidney shots..."You have more in you Ray, and I have more in me"... He made Ray go to a very very dark place, and we all saw the result. Bill ...who played Haskell was just spot on for the part, wow!! A good investigation by the team. Dutch Boy from The Shield playing the IA investigator did a fine job....Very well done, with an open twist at the end....

Great episode last night. I was right a few weeks ago!!
I thought the closure of Haskell would make for a great season finale.
It was interesting to see all that fighting from Ray. Those kidney blows must have been so painful! :eek:

Ray Lucca,

I thought the line was "You have more of me in you, Ray" (or something similar.)
Like, Haskell's psychotic behavior was unleashed onto Ray over the years.

Interesting twist at the end, it could set the show up for a big shake up if they wanted to go that route. I have no idea what the status of the show is in terms of who is signed for how long, so it could be interesting.

I read somewhere that Marg will have her reduced next year. I didn't see if that was by choice or by request.

Great episode last night. Those that don't watch the show any more really missed out.

I was tired of Haskell before he stabbed Ray, let alone the half dozen eps they had of him this season.

in regards to the cliffhanger at the end, I think if Ray was going to say he murdered Haskill, they would have ended with him saying that. Since they ended right before he says "murder" or "self-defense", methinks he will say the latter.

I guess that depends on Fishburne's contract status. Does anyone know if he's signed on for next year? If not, that would be an easy way to write off his character should he not re-sign.

"CSI" moves to Wednesdays at 10PM in the Fall: http://www.deadline.com/2011/05/cbs-unveils-primetime-2011-12-schedule-person-of-interest-takes-over-thursday-9-pm-slot/. While clearly a demotion from Thursdays at 10PM it's a sign of respect that this wasn't vanished to Friday nights. Heck, after "Criminal Minds" and opposite "SVU" and whatever it is ABC does on Wednesdays at 10 (usually nothing that lasts) I could see "CSI" actually giving NBC's "Law & Order: SVU" a run for its money.

10PM slot not good for the future of the show, IMO that's a step down from what was dubbed the "CSI slot"(CSI has been on Thursdays at 9 since season 2, 10 years ago this fall, WOW)

10PM slot not good for the future of the show, IMO that's a step down from what was dubbed the "CSI slot"(CSI has been on Thursdays at 9 since season 2, 10 years ago this fall, WOW)

Agreed. It's like the same news as CSI: Miami moving to Sunday.
I lost interest in CSI: Miami as it went to Sunday. :(

Thanks for the posting, dad.

Wow, shows are leaving Thursday night like the plague:confused: Thursday night was the only night I had 3 programs I like to record on the same, time so I had to do the unthinkable of watching one live(only dual tuner DVR). Now CSI is moving and apparently Nikita (on the CW) is moving too....Now only P&R left for the Thrusday 8-9pm CST zone slot.

Posted by bgooch: June 7, 2011 | 9:31 pm

Laurence Fishburne is out as Dr. Raymond Langston on "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation."

The Oscar-nominated actor will exit the forensics drama, which just wrapped its 11th season, a source close to the show confirmed. In the fall, the show will move from its usual Thursday slot to Wednesdays.

Fishburne joined the show less than three years ago, when it was announced William Petersen would leave.

CBS has not yet picked a replacement for Fishburne, but it doesn't have time for a long casting process: Filming is scheduled to begin for the 12th season next month.

News of Fishburne's exit was first reported on Deadline.com.

What do you think of Fishburne's leaving "CSI"?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2011/06/laurence-fishburne-leaves-csi-and-the-hunt-for-a-replacement-is-on-.html

That's not cool. I enjoyed Laurence Fishburne as Dr. Raymond Langston. :(

Thanks for the update, dad.

Well that really blows! Maybe William Petersen will come back?

Guess we know the direction the case against Langston will take. Unless they go the route of him being so messed up from the ordeal that he decides to leave.

Fish's last episode had one of the greatest beat down scenes ever....He really went to a dark place in those scenes, great actor.
Maybe Billy will come back???

I thought I read over a year ago that Fishburne only signed for three years and wasn't planning on any extension.

Well, this article in EW says that Fishburne was interested in coming back with the implication that CBS didn't want him back.

The article also says that Marg Helgenberger will be used very sparingly in the upcoming season.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/06/07/laurence-fishburne-will-not-return-to-csi/?hpt=hp_t2

When I saw the finale, the first thing that crossed my mind was where Fishburne was at with his contract. Guess we now know that.

I still like the show, not as much as I used to. That's why I'd love to see the earlier seasons released on BluRay (the show is much better viewed in HD). I think the only thing that will get the show back to where it was is if Peterson comes back. But from what I have read, he has no interest in that. With Fishburne out and Helgenberger being reduced, it will be interesting to see what direction the show takes.

Critic's Notes
Who should replace Laurence Fishburne on 'CSI'?
By Lynette Rice, EW.com's 'Inside TV' blog - June 8th, 2011

As every CSI fan will attest, there is no replacing William Petersen. Laurence Fishburne did an admirable job keeping the Las Vegas team intact for the last two years with his portrayal of Raymond Langston, but the CBS drama never recovered in the ratings once Gil Grissom rode into the sunset. As a result, the show finished the season with a 3.3 rating among adults 18-49 (each ratings point equals 1.3 million viewers). It was ranked No. 30.

Three weeks ago, before news broke that Fishburne will not be returning to CSI, CBS announced it was moving the 11-year-old series from Thursdays to a more protected slot on Wednesdays, where it will compete against the now-hobbled Law & Order: SVU (we miss you already, Chris Meloni!). But that hardly means the network has thrown in the towel on the mothership: Given that the fading CSI: New York could fall off the schedule after next year (it finished its seventh season with a 2.1 rating), followed by CSI: Miami (the nine-year-old drama is at a 2.9) in 2013, there’s a real chance that CSI could be counted on for another two, possibly three years — which is why there are plans to fill the void left by Fishburne.

But who should it be? Adding another high-profile (see: expensive) star may seem risky, especially if the actor doesn’t deliver. And George Eads, who fans love as Nick Stokes, seems primed and ready to be the lead gent on the show. But the drama still needs another household name to bring in new fans. Enough with the film stars, though! No offense to Fishburne, but a tried and true TV star is usually the best person to turn a franchise around.

So here, in my never-to-be-humble opinion, are some suggestions for possible replacements:

Jimmy Smits: The CBS brass seemed to love him in Cane, even though the drama tanked quickly. And just because his NBC drama Outlaw fizzled out after one season, doesn’t mean Smits is any less of a TV star. Downside: He’ll command something north of $100k per episode. But hey, bonafide TV stars don’t come cheap.

Chris Meloni: How delicious would it be if, after failing to carve out a new deal on SVU, Meloni jumped to the timeslot competitor to kick serious crime-fighting butt? Downside: He won’t come cheap, either, and he probably wants a break from primetime TV.

Michael Chiklis: One, he was born to play a cop. Two, he’s immensely popular. Three… do I seriously need to provide more reasons? Downside: He does his best work as a bad guy.

Ethan Hawke: He definitely seems a little more cerebral than the other men, and this guy is ready to make a serious run in primetime. (His Fox actioner Exit Strategy was passed over for fall.) Downside: I’m not sure he can take on the role of a team leader.

Terry O’Quinn: I may be crawling out on a limb here, but I’m fairly certain that everyone at EW, including Doc Jensen, would start watching CSI if John Locke worked inside the yellow tape. Downside: A procedural might not mesh with O’Quinn’s eccentric (and sometimes menacing) persona. But a girl can dream.

Who am I missing?

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/06/08/laurence-fishburne-csi/

How did Liev Schreiber's character finish up his run on the show? Was he still alive and/or a good guy/bad guy? I don't remember how it ended.

How did Liev Schreiber's character finish up his run on the show? Was he still alive and/or a good guy/bad guy? I don't remember how it ended.

He got shot and killed. Bad guy finding redemption in death scenario.

He got shot and killed. Bad guy finding redemption in death scenario.

Thanks, too bad, he would have been a good replacement for Langston.

Critic's Notes
Who should replace Laurence Fishburne on 'CSI'?
By Lynette Rice, EW.com's 'Inside TV' blog - June 8th, 2011


So here, in my never-to-be-humble opinion, are some suggestions for possible replacements:

Jimmy Smits: The CBS brass seemed to love him in Cane, even though the drama tanked quickly. And just because his NBC drama Outlaw fizzled out after one season, doesn’t mean Smits is any less of a TV star. Downside: He’ll command something north of $100k per episode. But hey, bonafide TV stars don’t come cheap.


How many shows has he been sent in to pinch hit and have killed. No thanks.

Jimmy Smits has become the Ted McGinley of the 21st century. :D