Watched CSI recently and first time I've seen a primetime show on the networks look so good. I usually hate to watch programming with commercials - but with tivo now in my setup, that does'nt really matter anymore

I'm new to HD (and only viewing with a Panny ED set) but I agree that the CSI shows look fantastic in HD. I was not a viewer of the various CSI programs, but I am now. By comparison, I was expecting ER to look outstanding in HD, and it merely looks "good".

I'm new to HD (and only viewing with a Panny ED set) but I agree that the CSI shows look fantastic in HD. I was not a viewer of the various CSI programs, but I am now. By comparison, I was expecting ER to look outstanding in HD, and it merely looks "good".

I agree with your assessment.

Watched CSI recently and first time I've seen a primetime show on the networks look so good. I usually hate to watch programming with commercials - but with tivo now in my setup, that does'nt really matter anymoreI never watched any of the CSI shows until I read here how good it liked in HD. They do it right!
YMMV

I'm also a convert to CSI since I got the HD receiver, non-DVR. I also don't like the commercials, but the HDTiVo is a little expensive, even with the decrease. The upcoming MPEG4 rollout is also causing me to wait.

My HTPC with a MyHD-130 is set to record all of the CSI's. I prefer the Vegas one the best. Awesome quality! I usuallly take the commercials out and archive the episodes on DVD. One of the things I show people when I'm showing off the living room toys ;)

I never watched CSI until I crisued by it on HD. Now I record every epsiode in case I miss it in HD (haven't gotten into the other cities yet, just CSI LV.

Me too. I hardly watched any network TV before I got HDTV. I didn't even know what the show was about. Now I rarely turn my cable box on. I also watch less TV since most of it is hard to watch now.

well its the same with me for almost the entire cbs lineup. back in the day (lol), cbs was the only local channel on d*. i got hooked on csi, csi miami, everybody loves raymond, king of queens, without a trace, cold case, and yes dear simply because they all looked great in hd

CSI: Miami to me, has a lot of "WOW!" factor -- the use of shadows, reflections, color filters, graphics, locales, and aerial shots make up for one hour of very watchable HDTV.

Paul

I must say, I enjoyed CSI last night; I always like the show. Great perspective in HD. It may be getting abit gross, however. Allot of blood last night. I also liked the way the whole team worked on the one case. Usually, they split up Catherine and Gil. Allot of dark, night scenes. Really looks clear in HD.

nc

WOW! I CSI that isn't just blood and gore. Refreshing lately, that we see an episode of the CSI shows that tugs at the heart strings. Stoked having a feeling, or almost a preminition, about saving the child, or at least, KNOWING" that child is till alive. The last scene, where Casie is in the hospital bed, and she wrotes those things for Stokes. Very emotional. I almost cried!

Nice job, CSI, for doing something a bit different.

nc

I couldn't figure out, until they showed her throat being slashed, why the little girl narrating had such a raspy voice and had to be alive. Great ending.

(From Marc Berman’s Friday, October 21, 2005 Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com)

“…At 9 p.m., CBS’ CSI will have no trouble finishing first overall for the week in total viewers (and second among adults 18-49 behind ABC’s Desperate Housewives) with a 19.3/28 in the overnights, 27.51 million viewers and a 9.4/24 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that outdelivered NBC’s fading The Apprentice 4 (Overnights: #2, 8.5/12; Viewers: #2, 10.39 million; A18-49: #2, 4.7/12) by 127 percent in the overnights…”

Last night's show was really good, a refreshing change of course that highlighted the emotional toll that the most heinous cases can take. Having been a victim himself, it's going to be interesting to see if Stokes can still maintain the kind of detatchment required to function in that line of work.

I thought everyone in it was superb, and the writing was top notch.

Was there any special reason Grissom wasn't in it at all? I know the explanation they gave on the show was that he was teaching somewhere, but was Peterson unavailable, were they trying to save some salary money by not having him in it?

Having been a victim himself, it's going to be interesting to see if Stokes can still maintain the kind of detatchment required to function in that line of work.

Very good point. I am happy to see that this show can add some more human element to the characters. I lkke all the characters, don't misunderstand me, but when we get to see a more personal side, this makes the show, and the characters, more intriguing and appealing.

nc

William Peterson had a death in the family about a month ago and took some time off. This was probably the episode they were shooting at the time, and were able to write around his absence.

William Peterson had a death in the family about a month ago and took some time off. This was probably the episode they were shooting at the time, and were able to write around his absence.This is exactly what happened.

In fact, this episode was originally written centering around Grissom and was rewriten to give Grissom's role to Nick when WP had to be elsewhere.

Some great Hd in CSI. Too bad the plots are so transparent. I stick with the Las Vegas CSI when I watch. Can't stand Horatio and the NY CSI wannabe. Would love to see a program called CSI Law to see how the evidence ( and confessions) stand up in a real court of law.

Funny, when my wife and I were watching this episode, and I saw Nick do the line right before the first commercial, I was shocked! Grissom always does that and to let Nick do it was just so different, but the death in William Peterson's family totally explains it.

Last night's show was really good, a refreshing change of course that highlighted the emotional toll that the most heinous cases can take. Having been a victim himself, it's going to be interesting to see if Stokes can still maintain the kind of detatchment required to function in that line of work.

I thought everyone in it was superb, and the writing was top notch.

Was there any special reason Grissom wasn't in it at all? I know the explanation they gave on the show was that he was teaching somewhere, but was Peterson unavailable, were they trying to save some salary money by not having him in it?

If youre talking about "Gum Drops" then I agree that this episode was downright excellent. I made comments in a different thread though. :p

I just seen the episode with the "Clayton nash" fellow. What's the deal with this show of late? It takes place at night all the time. I didn't see much daylight at all during this episode.

nc

I dunno who that is. Did you mean this past weeks episode 'Killer' ?

William Peterson's family death. i did not hear about this. :(

I dunno who that is. Did you mean this past weeks episode 'Killer' ?

William Peterson's family death. i did not hear about this. :(
Pardons, yes, I believe the episode was "Killer".

nc

Yeah that episode was a lil dark, absense of lighting.
Maybe they made it like that to be a lil scary?

CSI is dark because the shift they work is at night. I don't know how they factor in the daylight scenes, though.

What was the website that was shown in "The Killer" this past week? It was of a lady talking. Anyone remember?

nc

Woah, was Gill Grissom and Sara Sidle getting ready for bed. They both had their nightie clothes on at the very end.
Throughout this season? They had a 'thing' about eachother. This was the end result?
Good episode about the Civil War too.
I thought Capt. Jim Brass was gonna die. Since the commericials for the season finale has Grissom and the 'Pulling the plug' convo.

Good work CBS.

I knew they were doin it.:D

I saw that old style button that they pulled out of the ashes and figured it was some cival war re-inactment. Of course, I never thought I would be right, but I said it anyway!

My wife was shocked they showed Sara, she figured that it would have been more like them to just show a woman standing there and not have her kneel down or anything to reveal who it was.

They've been hinting at it for a few years now. It's about time they got around to writing something more about the two.

Great final episode, I have called this series a hit from the very first episode. Glad Brass is coming back.. Whats with the clues in the picture on the CBS website? You scroll over picture with magnifying glass. Maybe Brass was the only one missing in the picture..

The sidle-grissom affair shocker at end was totally manipulative hokum, just pure melodramatic tintillation to keep you watching next season. Grissom's character in all the years CSI has been on would NEVER let himself do this. This insults my intelligence

The sidle-grissom affair shocker at end was totally manipulative hokum, just pure melodramatic tintillation to keep you watching next season. Grissom's character in all the years CSI has been on would NEVER let himself do this. This insults my intelligenceWell, they've been giving the "one raised eyebrow" stare/flirt to each other in a number of prior episodes over the years. I think the seeds were planted long ago.

Now... as to whether it makes dramatic sense to have them act on it finally, well we'll just have to see. I certainly liked Josh and Donna finally doing it after all of these years during the final episodes of "West Wing", and that probably would have continued well had the series not just ended.

CSI:NY seemed like it was in HHD (High HiDef) last night. Why can't all HD shows be broadcast this brilliant. That's what HD is supposed to look like.

Wolfie

CSI:NY seemed like it was in HHD (High HiDef) last night. Why can't all HD shows be broadcast this brilliant. That's what HD is supposed to look like.

Wolfie

It did seem a lot brighter and more colorful than previous episodes.

I know they changed the look about halfway through the season, made it more Miami-y and Las Vegas-y.


Jerry

The sidle-grissom affair shocker at end was totally manipulative hokum, just pure melodramatic tintillation to keep you watching next season. Grissom's character in all the years CSI has been on would NEVER let himself do this. This insults my intelligenceOn what planet have you been living?

Grissom and Sara have had chemistry since season one.

What the hell do you think the episode Butterflied in season four was all about?

No, not just the murder…

On what planet have you been living?

Grissom and Sara have had chemistry since season one.



Is not Grisson and Sara two men? CSI Brokeback Mountain :D

Is not Grisson and Sara two men? CSI Brokeback Mountain :D
:p

'Built to Kill (Part 1)'
I noticed Grissom brought Sara lunch, but not Warrick last night. A friend said it was racist, I said it was b/c Sara and Grissom had a thing going on.

I did not pay too much attention last night, Interesting episode. Replication of the murder/suicide scene with mini toys/creations was cool. Also some trippy parts to it.
HDTV & DD 5.1 here in TX.

I thought the episode was really good. Did they ever figure out the crime with the girl they found? I might have missed that part.

The scenes at the end were easily the highlight of the show...the mini-replica and then with what happened to Katherine.

Great show.

According to Matt Drudge at drudgereport.com "...ABC's 'Grey's Anatomy' season opener out-rates CBS 'CSI'... 17.1 rating/25 share to 14.9 rating/22 share..."

Did anyone notice the dead guy on the kitchen table was Danny Bonaduce?

I saw he was in the opening credits.

then with what happened to Katherine.
Great show.

Ohh yeah, that was wild. Friend kept calling her a slut for what she did.

fredfa,
Wow, thats crazy. Thanks for the info.

dm145, I do not know who that is.

Ohh yeah, that was wild. Friend kept calling her a slut for what she did.

fredfa,
Wow, thats crazy. Thanks for the info.

dm145, I do not know who that is.

Danny Partridge all grown up.

Interesting episode. It kinda seemed disjointed during the last 15 minutes or so. The miniature "scene" was interesting. I suppose we'll see a flashback of how Bonaduce's character ended up dead at the table. That is, unless you get mentioned in the opening credits for just laying there pretending to be dead.

(From Marc Berman’s Friday, September 22, 2006, Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com )
Primetime Ratings For Thursday, September 21st

The biggest battle of the new season -- Grey’s Anatomy vs. CSI -- was underway last night with ABC’s red-hot medical drama the clear winner. But CBS still managed to be the most-watched network (770,000 viewers ahead of ABC), while ABC finished first in the overnights and adults 18-49. A night of season premieres on NBC settled for the distant No. 3 spot, while Fox’s perennial Thursday audience woes continued. The CW hid under the desk with repeats.

Grey’s Anatomy at 9 p.m. opened season three with a hefty 17.1/25 in the overnights, 25.14 million viewers and a 10.9/26 among adults 18-49. CBS’ CSI was down, but far from out, with its season-premiere at a 14.9/22 in the overnights, 22.04 million viewers and a 7.5/18 among adults 18-49. For comparative purposes, take a look at both dramas versus their year-ago launches.

Grey Anatomy (ABC)
9/25/05 (Sun. 10 p.m.) – Overnights: 13.2/20, Viewers: 18.98 million, A18-49: 8.3/20
9/21/06 (Thurs. 9 p.m.) – Overnights: 17.1/25, Viewers: 25.14 million, A18-49: 10.9/26
Percent Change – Overnights: +30, Viewers: +32, A18-49: +31

CSI (CBS)
9/22/05 – Overnights: 19.3/27, Viewers: 29.02 million, A18-49: 10.2/25
9/21/06 – Overnights: 14.9/22, Viewers: 22.04 million, A18-49: 7.5/18
Percent Change – Overnights: -23, Viewers: -24, A18-49: -26

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

I thought the episode was really good. Did they ever figure out the crime with the girl they found? I might have missed that part..

Yep a bit confusing ... I think it was determined to be "accidental."

Wow!

I have had my OTA hooked up to my new 42" Hitachi 1080i (http://www.hitachi.us/tv/browse/plasma/plasma/42hds69.shtml) for about a week now.

This was the first time I have ever watched CSI. Amazing is an understatement! This has got to be the best example of HD programming I've seen so far. I tryed to turn on SD CSI for a comparison and I couldn't handle it at all. I know I sound spoiled, but if I had to watch that show in SD for it's "story" there is no way I could stick with it. I find myself drooling over the picture and not so much on the "story".

Yep a bit confusing ... I think it was determined to be "accidental."
Her head got whacked by the stage elevator.

The Cirque du Solei sequences were fantastic, great imagery, that's one of the Cirque shows I've been wanting to see and now I'm more determined than ever..going to try to see all 3 in Las Vegas in one trip.

The opening scene with the miniature and Grissom's eye filling the window was very cool, great shot. The photography on this show is as great as ever, very creative.

Thought the overall quality of Vegas exceeded the other two CSI's this week, as it often seems to. The other two just seemed misguided in too many aspects. -- John

fredo
Why do you keep updating this thread with the overnights?

I noticed Grissom brought Sara lunch, but not Warrick last night. A friend said it was racist, I said it was b/c Sara and Grissom had a thing going on.

_____

...Ohh yeah, that was wild. Friend kept calling her a slut for what she did.
Was your friend really stoned or something? ;) Racist? :rolleyes:. The lunch bit was clearly a nod to the season ender "bedroom" scene and the little thing Grissom and Sara have going. Slut? :rolleyes: The stuff with Katherine was obviously a drugging/rape situation. I will say one thing though, that Katherine really needs to rethink her choice of evening activities. She seems to be getting into trouble in bars a lot lately :D.


ron

Was your friend really stoned or something? ;) Racist? :rolleyes:. The lunch bit was clearly a nod to the season ender "bedroom" scene and the little thing Grissom and Sara have going. Slut? :rolleyes: The stuff with Katherine was obviously a drugging/rape situation. I will say one thing though, that Katherine really needs to rethink her choice of evening activities. She seems to be getting into trouble in bars a lot lately :D.


ron

I wanted to know where Nick was all this time ? He went with her to the club, he wound up dancing with another chick, then Katherine is drinking something that was drugged (probably the bartender did it) and she wakes up the next morning.

I wanted to know where Nick was all this time ? He went with her to the club, he wound up dancing with another chick, then Katherine is drinking something that was drugged (probably the bartender did it) and she wakes up the next morning.
He mentions he knew another girl there and Katherine ackwoledeged he wanted to dance with her. Evidently it developed into something more and while Kat was just falling into her drugged state waved to Nick as he waved to her as if to say he was leaving. At that point she was probably not aware of what was happening to her.

CSI NY is going down the tolet.

Claire Forlani? She has to be the worst actress of all time. I love looking at her but no talent whatsoever.

At least I still have LV and Miami.

The Cirque du Solei sequences were fantastic, great imagery, that's one of the Cirque shows I've been wanting to see and now I'm more determined than ever..going to try to see all 3 in Las Vegas in one trip.

All three? You mean all 5?
They have:
Mystere' at Treasure Island (TI)
"O" at the Bellagio
Zoomanity at New York, New York
Ka' at MGM
and
The Beatles "Love" at the Mirage

BTW, I have seen Mystere', "O" and Zoomanity and actually liked Mystere' the best so far.

I did read an article about the stage design for Ka' in either Design News or Machine Design magazine, pretty amazing engineering feat to move something that big that easilly, but Cirque does not spare any expense when they build for a show!

Wow! Half way thru last night's episode, I'm thinking, "this show does the same thing all the time. Why don't they change things a bit?" Then, catherine gets drugged at a bar, and we see her performing her own examination /rape kit on herself. And the whole sit with Grissom and Sara. Way cool show!

I do get a bit peeved when we the audiance are given sutle info and then this info gets lost throughout the couse of a season. I.E. - no mention of Linday, and no mnetion of W's marriage.

Pluses were the fact that they mention the blond woman in the opening credits (they didn't last year, did they??), and also the fact that they showed Brass and the citation he was given to him. Slick

Mike

No, the blonde girl was not on the credits last year. She became more visible as the season went on last year.

I almost thought for a few minutes that Katharine and Nick were going to start making out when they were dancing. That would have been quite a twist!

I definitely thought they were going the formulaic route...the ending really swerved me. I can't wait to see the next part.

All three? You mean all 5?
They have:
Mystere' at Treasure Island (TI)
"O" at the Bellagio
Zoomanity at New York, New York
Ka' at MGM
and
The Beatles "Love" at the Mirage

BTW, I have seen Mystere', "O" and Zoomanity and actually liked Mystere' the best so far.

I did read an article about the stage design for Ka' in either Design News or Machine Design magazine, pretty amazing engineering feat to move something that big that easilly, but Cirque does not spare any expense when they build for a show!
I hadn't heard about "Love" and had forgotten about "Zoomanity". I may have to really do some wheeling/dealing to arrange to see all of them in one trip. :eek:

Going to see "Delirium", which is a little bit different from their "normal" stuff, tomorrow night in San Jose. :)

Another excellent CSI! I really enjoyed the behind the stage scenes with the mechanics of all that machinery, truely amazing what goes on back there! And the Circ vertical show, that would be neat to see in person. Does anybody know if that was part of a real show or only for CSI?

I do get a bit peeved when we the audiance are given sutle info and then this info gets lost throughout the couse of a season. I.E. - no mention of Linday, and no mnetion of W's marriage. In one of the last couple ep last season when Warrick is in a casino surveillance room looking for a perp, he spies his wife on one of the monitors with another guy... Of course he assumes she's stepping out on him and immediately calls her up on her cell. He proceeds to rant her out about it and then she tells him she's there arranging a surprise birthday party for him.... as you might imagine, she was pretty pissed about it so I think we are supposed to assume that she split with him over it maybe?


ron

“CSI”
By Rich Heldenfels in his Akron Beacon Journal TV blog

I caught up to ''CSI'' this morning and right off the bat it reminded me of something that had struck me during ''Grey's Anatomy'': the perils of improved TV technology. I watch shows on my HD set for the most part, and last night's ''Grey's'' was absolutely brutal about Ellen Pompeo's skin. ''CSI'' reminded me of that because it was visually dazzling (the sound's pretty great, too) in that Cirque du Soleil opening and beyond. The attention to lighting, the sharpness of the picture -- I kept having to pull myself back into the story because I would be admiring the visuals.

Beyond that, it was clear at a ''CSI'' press conference this summer that the show was ready to rumble with ''Grey's,'' and it sure did tonight. The Cirque stuff. John Mayer. The Danny Bonaduce stunt. Setting up two more storylines for continuation. How good Marg Helgenberger was in that last series of scenes. Brass's tattoo.

And, for everyone still amazed at the end of last season, the show is gleefully playing with the audience regarding Sara and Grissom. Nothing explicit said by either but they're sure hitting the notes, not only in the meal business but in that ''bye'' scene. It's not exactly sexual tension -- since we know they've crossed that bridge -- but it sure is tension, and great fun to watch.

http://blogs.ohio.com/beacon_tv/

Just a few random thoughts.

I still like CSI Vegas the best, but is it just me that thinks the amount of incidents that happen to the cast (on Miami as well) is a little over the top?

Never being in law enforcement, I can only guess that their lives are not near as exciting as whats portrayed on TV, at least to the amount of "Perps" that seem to have it out for them, then again, I guess thats the whole reason we watch, is for that excitement factor, that most of us are missing in our lives? :p

Also, I guess the saying "never mix business and pleasure" is something they have heard in their lives?

Kind of like "Greys anatomy" which I have zero interest in, but doesn't the premise seem like ER meets "girls gone wild"? as in, I surely don't want to believe that medical professionals can make sick cash and constantly get some action while on their breaks? <That just isn't fair.

If anyone misses this, Comcast has CSI HD on OnDemand.

Watched my recording of CSI last night, and thought it was a terrific season opener. This show continues to be the "reference" for HD picture quality, lighting, sound, and generally adult-level intelligent writing and entertainment. It is just gorgeous to look at and listen to.

The backstage-at-Cirque views were really excellent, as was the bar scene and unexpected intimacy with Catherine and Nick dancing... followed by the "I think I know her" second blond and Nick dancing post-script to the scene. Then the very subtle Gil/Sara hints and clues that now are apparently going to be present, well I find these very entertaining and well done. And the whole next morning self-administered SA kit scene by Catherine, well that was just brilliantly invented and implemented.

Just great, all around. Kudos to the whole ensemble cast, including "background players" like Hodges (William Langham).

What was that HD/DD5.1 promo in the lower-left corner at the opening of last night's show? It appeared during the highlights from last week's Part 1, right after Catherine was taking a shower to clean herself off after her rape.

I'm sure it was an "HD" promotion, and it started off as just that... an HD. Then it magnified and grew diagonally into the entire lower-left corner, ending up as some large rectangular something that had "HD DD5.1" in the upper line of text. But the lower part of the rectangle was totally the wrong size, being MUCH TOO LARGE for where it was placed.

I was only able to read what looked like the top right half of what might have been the large letters "DEFINITION", so that what was actually visible seemed to be the top part of "INITION" which I took to be the end of "DEFINITION". I don't know where "HIGH" was supposed to be.

This was certainly bizarre, and totally perplexing to me as an HD viewer. We're not talking misplaced 4:3 framing... we're talking completely misplaced 16:9 framing! Very strange.

In contrast, the CBS eye bug in the lower-right corner of the screen was perfectly placed. This makes the strange size and placement, and half-missing content, of that lower-left HD promo rectangle even odder.

I went back and replayed it a second and third time, trying to figure out what they might have intended, but it just seems like a real screwup by whatever graphics designer made that one up.


On another note, I thought the whole show was another terrific one. Thoroughly gorgeous to look at, complex but understandable story... no loose ends. Except for that very final scene. Can someone please tell me what Grissom saw on the back of that micro-photo of Izzy and the baby? Was it a closeup of a doll's eye? Or something else? And what was the significance of it?

That HD promo bug in the lower left is something new this year with CBS HD programs, ugly as hell, looks like something you'd see on TNT, or one of the other cablenets, it looks cheap IMO, the CBS revolving HD bug in the lower right is much nicer.

Regarding the last scene, you saw the same thing I did, a partial pic of a doll's eye. I suspect that this will be a running plotline throughout the season.

I have to agree. Lovely PQ and sound was phenomenal!

Plot-wize, I think that Linday being kidnapped and a perp found all in 20 minutes, was a bit stupid. I realize the writers anted to work allot of stuff in, but it could have stretched to another episode?

Can someone tell me what the significance of the very small pic of the doll face was at the end? Grissom looked like he had an idea. Sorry, I didn't catch it.

M

CSI was stunning as always last night.

The car crash scene made me literaly jump out of my seat! Absolutely amazing!

so is the story of Danny Bonadeuce's killing going to be a season-long story ? the preview for next week looks like it's about 4 people killed, so a different story. Oh, and about the face of the doll on the back of the picture, I can't seem to remember a previous story that brought this up (the wife and I usually watch the CSI repeats on Spike at night)

CSI was stunning as always last night.

The car crash scene made me literaly jump out of my seat! Absolutely amazing!

Saw it coming ... As soon as Catherine started looking over her shoulder and talking to the kid (instead of watching the road) you knew a crash was imminent ... :D

(From Marc Berman’s Friday, September 29, 2006, Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com )

“…At 9 p.m., the winning ratings ball was shared between ABC’s Grey’s Anatomy and old CBS faithful CSI. Grey’s Anatomy scored a 16.1/24 in the overnights (#1), 23.31 million viewers (#2) and a 9.4/22 among adults 18-49 (#1). CSI averaged a 15.3/22 in the overnights (#2), 23.49 million viewers (#1) and a 7.9/19 among adults 18-49 (#2). Although the lead-in support from Survivor decreased last night, CSI is back in action.….”

I was watching the 09/28/06 session of CSI after recording it on my DVR.

I could not hear any of the characters talking until about a third of the way through the show. However, the music was still audible during that time.

Did anyone else experience the same problem or should I complain to my local CBS station?

I was watching the 09/28/06 session of CSI after recording it on my DVR.

I could not hear any of the characters talking until about a third of the way through the show. However, the music was still audible during that time.

Did anyone else experience the same problem or should I complain to my local CBS station?
All I know is I had my hand on my remote most of the time. I had to turn it down for commercials.

so is the story of Danny Bonadeuce's killing going to be a season-long story ? the preview for next week looks like it's about 4 people killed, so a different story. Oh, and about the face of the doll on the back of the picture, I can't seem to remember a previous story that brought this up (the wife and I usually watch the CSI repeats on Spike at night)
Did anyone get the rference to the picture of the doll on the back og the frame?

I was watching the 09/28/06 session of CSI after recording it on my DVR.

I could not hear any of the characters talking until about a third of the way through the show. However, the music was still audible during that time.

Did anyone else experience the same problem or should I complain to my local CBS station?

It's not your local station. CBS has been having problems with their DD5.1 soundtracks for some time now. I usually get the center channel dialog repeated through the right surround; sometimes no center dialog at all, as you mentioned. It's been going on so long that it's inexcusable, and frankly astonishing, that nobody at CBS has noticed or done anything about it.

It's not your local station. CBS has been having problems with their DD5.1 soundtracks for some time now. I usually get the center channel dialog repeated through the right surround; sometimes no center dialog at all, as you mentioned. It's been going on so long that it's inexcusable, and frankly astonishing, that nobody at CBS has noticed or done anything about it.
The San Francisco market feed was fine.

Saw it coming ... As soon as Catherine started looking over her shoulder and talking to the kid (instead of watching the road) you knew a crash was imminent ... :D
Yeah, that one was telegraphed. The best one I can remember was on Third Watch, I think it was the last season, you didn't see it coming and it was spectacular, although I'm hazy on the details, I remember it caught me completely by surprise.

Great broadcast last night, i jumped as well when the car crash happened.

If anyone still has it on their DVR, I thought I noticed the dead guy blink right when he's in the foreground and they slowly zoom up to Gill inspecting the model. It was like the 3rd or 4th minute of the show, right after the initial commercial break after the opening credits. I replayed it like 3 times, sure looked like he blinked to me!

Great broadcast last night, i jumped as well when the car crash happened.

If anyone still has it on their DVR, I thought I noticed the dead guy blink right when he's in the foreground and they slowly zoom up to Gill inspecting the model. It was like the 3rd or 4th minute of the show, right after the initial commercial break after the opening credits. I replayed it like 3 times, sure looked like he blinked to me!

They're using live people to play dead people. Tough role to play there ;)

Cheers,

If anyone still has it on their DVR, I thought I noticed the dead guy blink right when he's in the foreground and they slowly zoom up to Gill inspecting the model. It was like the 3rd or 4th minute of the show, right after the initial commercial break after the opening credits. I replayed it like 3 times, sure looked like he blinked to me!

I thought I noticed that as well and I was watching it in SD. I was too lazy to go upstairs and fire up the theater...

Yup, I noticed the dead blink also. :)

No 5.1 audio tonight. Anyone else?

For having as many viewers as CSI does, it's interesting that it gets so little discussion on AVS. What did everyone think of tonight's episode? I thought the ending was just fascinating. Grissom kind of laying it out, almost taking a shot at Vegas and the lack of morality and the potential effect it has on the future of society.

Did anyone find it interesting that at the beginning the woman who was assaulted mentioned the whole "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" in looking for a cheap thrill, and then at the very end as Grissom is talking he mentions how a morality built around "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" makes the place such a one as wehere its hard to develop a moral compass for young adults.

Thoughts anyone?

I thought it was ridiculous and over the top. I don't think the Grissom character would ever say that. That entire scene with them talking at the end seemed tacked on for some political purpose which has nothing to do with the show. Did the person who wrote the script for "fannysmackin" ever read (the CSI scripts) or watch CSI?

Thought Grissom's 'speech' at the end of this week's episode was a bit much, too. Sounded phony. Liked their slap at the Vegas it-stays-here ad, though. Have watched all three CSI's for a long time and it seems they're all going over the top with the blood and gore. Wish the producers would review last week's "Wire in the Blood" on BBCA on how to create suspense without excessive surgical zoom-ins highlighting mayhem--even though this Wire episode was horrific. The episode was about a police officer controlling serial killers, and had more effective writing, filming, editing, music, etc. IMO; plus, of course, two hours for the episode.

The trend to 'super heroism' on the CSI's is getting out of hand...the slow motion walks of CSIs or teams, with intrusive rock music cutting in is getting comical. Wish they'd show, just for laughs, rock bands playing away on the side--with singers as needed--as the teams go into their slow-motion walks. Guess they should also show the bands in the labs when they go into their overdone computer-graphics 'zooms' into bodies or whatever. -- John

...and I was just thinking to myself, "where has Craig (Greg) been this season?". Very stirring episode. This show has only gotten better!

Thought Grissom's 'speech' at the end of this week's episode was a bit much, too. Sounded phony. Liked their slap at the Vegas it-stays-here ad, though. Have watched all three CSI's for a long time and it seems they're all going over the top with the blood and gore. Wish the producers would review last week's "Wire in the Blood" on BBCA on how to create suspense without excessive surgical zoom-ins highlighting mayhem--even though this Wire episode was horrific. The episode was about a police officer controlling serial killers, and had more effective writing, filming, editing, music, etc. IMO; plus, of course, two hours for the episode.

The trend to 'super heroism' on the CSI's is getting out of hand...the slow motion walks of CSIs or teams, with intrusive rock music cutting in is getting comical. Wish they'd show, just for laughs, rock bands playing away on the side--with singers as needed--as the teams go into their slow-motion walks. Guess they should also show the bands in the labs when they go into their overdone computer-graphics 'zooms' into bodies or whatever. -- John
Excellent points. When you see stuff like "Wire in the Blood", "Waking the Dead" and "Messiah", all great UK cop shows, you really get a measure of how silly and Americanized stuff like the CSI's can be, as if they're playing to a much less intelligent audience. I like watching the CSI's for the great photography, but the stories combined with the pretty much wooden dialog are a big step down from the excellent stuff available across the pond. The biggest problem with the UK stuff is that there is not enough of it, I have alerts set at Amazon-UK for new series issues of the above and other shows. I've got "Wire in the Blood" Series 3 on it's way to me right now.

On a technical note, since the UK has been using a 16x9 TV format for many years most all of at least the last 6-10 years of these shows are in 16x9 DVD format.

I thought it was an interesting show last night. I can't get over the whole "Fannysmackin" concept and how they depicted the kids doing it as if it was a party and how there was nothing else to do. They are in Vegas, which is one very large city which I assume would have plenty of things to do, even for kids.

Thought Grissom's 'speech' at the end of this week's episode was a bit much, too.
I agree. Normally this show doesn't lay a minute of moralizing on us at the end. We can figure it out ourselves.

Everything else about the episode was great.

No 5.1 audio tonight. Anyone else?

Was fine here, as far as I could tell.

I haven't watched the whole show yet, but My Name is Earl was messed up, no center channel so no dialog,
so I checked my other recordings from the night to make sure it wasn't the HD TiVo screwing up, CSI had dialog and surround channels.


Jerry

I was surprised to see KFed in the episode. He didn't do a bad job.

The appearance of Mr. Spears in the show was a very low point IMO. Does the original CSI really need to stoop that low? It actually kind of made me feel like changing the channel really. I also think the "sermon" at the end was unnecessary and out of place.


ron

KFed or whatever you want to call him really didn't add anything to the show. Any actor that needed a job could have done what he did. The part was small and there wasn't much "acting" to it, I probably could have done a fine job myself.

I thought it was ridiculous and over the top. I don't think the Grissom character would ever say that. That entire scene with them talking at the end seemed tacked on for some political purpose which has nothing to do with the show. Did the person who wrote the script for "fannysmackin" ever read (the CSI scripts) or watch CSI?Uh, yeah. Do you watch CSI?

The show has a long history of having Grissom make comments on the events of the case at the end. The best example being at the end of the wife swapping episode when Sara and Grissom walked down a hall at the end recounting the wife swappers' "rules."

The locker room discussion felt a bit forced, but Grisssom's speech was quite normal.

The show has a long history of having Grissom make comments on the events of the case at the end. The best example being at the end of the wife swapping episode when Sara and Grissom walked down a hall at the end recounting the wife swappers' "rules."

Agreed. I've noticed plenty of moralizing by various characters over the years, as you've described it above. They went through a period in which the women seemed to be the ones "sermonizing", but that seems to have subsided. But it's certainly not new.

thought it was a good episode of my favorite tv show. Wonder if the writers are going to show any more hints of the Grissom/Sara relationship?

Uh, yeah. Do you watch CSI?

The locker room discussion felt a bit forced, but Grisssom's speech was quite normal.

I've watched every episode of CSI since the beginning . I think I am pretty close to being done with the CSIs with the lame appearances of K-fed or and Kid Rock on CSI NY that forced speech scene was the final straw for me. I probably will watch CSI again if Quentin Tarantino directs or writes an episode but thats it.

The show has a long history of having Grissom make comments on the events of the case at the end.
Yes, but normally they're quick, to the point comments and add a sharp memorable ending to the episode. This was more like stating the obvious to pad out the show a minute or two. Not the best way to end a great episode.

I'm surprised the comments by Grissom are made such a negative impression. To me, it seemed like the show was trying to recognize, that they Vegas plays fast and loose with morals and then finds their kids also playing fast and loose with morals. It's a reasonable commentary and one we don't hear enough. The choices we make, about how we present our society result in real outcomes in the lives of us and our neighbors. If we want our kids to truly respect the idea of a civil society, we need to present a civil society first, they won't accept a "we can ignore morals, but you can't your kids," and there are real costs in a society that tries to do so.

I've watched every episode of CSI since the beginning . I think I am pretty close to being done with the CSIs with the lame appearances of K-fed or and Kid Rock on CSI NY that forced speech scene was the final straw for me. I probably will watch CSI again if Quentin Tarantino directs or writes an episode but thats it.
Bye.

Yes, but normally they're quick, to the point comments and add a sharp memorable ending to the episode. This was more like stating the obvious to pad out the show a minute or two. Not the best way to end a great episode.I disagree.

I thought Grissom's comments were solid, incisive, and probably raised the ire of the folks at the Las Vegas Convention and Visitor's Bureau. :D

I thought Grissom's comments were solid, incisive, and probably raised the ire of the folks at the Las Vegas Convention and Visitor's Bureau. :DWell, I don't doubt they did that :). But I agree with scowl that the whole thing just seemed really tacked on, like they did have a few minutes to fill and needed to stretch it a bit. Here's what I think happened. The K-Fed character originally had a bunch more lines, but then they realized that all he could do competently was to stand there looking weasely... So they had to cut most of them leaving a little extra time to kill, thereby opening the door to Grissom's extended pontification :D.


ron

I didn't know it was "k-fed" until I read this thread. I thought the commentary at the end was interesting.

Sacreligious, but absolutely the best PQ and sound I've seen/heard on this show.

(Margaret is starting to show her age a bit, I'm afreaid...:( )

I liked last nights episode.

I hate my car.

Looks like Grissom has some migrane issues. I think maybe it goes deeper than that. Job is getting to him?

Why has the blonde woman "lost" her british accent? Anyone else notice this? I Hadn't noticed the accent at all this season.

Very good episode last night. PQ and sound were awesome here in Nashville.

nc

British accent? I don't ever remember her having one?! Are you thinking of a different show?

I am guessing that the migrane issue will keep coming up and feed the reason for Grissom taking some time off mid-season in the show (he is doing a play and having a fill-in for a few months).

BTW, this is from: "Hot Off The Press! The Latest Television News and Info"

TV Notebook
LIEV IS FALLING INTO ROLE ON 'CSI'
The New York Post October 26, 2006

TONY Award winner Liev Schreiber is joining the cast of "CSI" as a regular character, according to reports.

The actor will fill in for 'CSI" star William Peterson, who is taking time off in mid-season to appear in a play.

Schreiber will play a seasoned crime scene investigator with a checkered reputation who has worked in a number of police departments across the country before joining the Las Vegas Crime Lab.

He will appear sometime in January 2007, the reports said.

Sources say he won't start shooting scenes for new job until next month.

"After meeting the people who run 'CSI,' it immediately becomes apparent why it has consistently been one of the top shows on television. I am a fan, how could I say no?" says Schreiber.

Schreiber won a Tony last year for his role in the revival of the Broadway drama "Glengarry Glen Ross."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/1026200..._on_csi_tv_.htm

British accent? I don't ever remember her having one?! Are you thinking of a different show?

I am guessing that the migrane issue will keep coming up and feed the reason for Grissom taking some time off mid-season in the show (he is doing a play and having a fill-in for a few months).

http://imdb.com/name/nm0518321/

She most definately had an accent last season.

I guess she is trying to hide it. Some actors do a really good job of it. Look at Hugh Laurie as Greg House!
http://imdb.com/name/nm0491402/

... The actor will fill in for 'CSI" star William Peterson, who is taking time off in mid-season to appear in a play...
Schreiber will play a seasoned crime scene investigator with a checkered reputation who has worked in a number of police departments across the country before joining the Las Vegas Crime Lab. Boy that’s going to be a tough sell without William Peterson. The Grissom character is so integral to the show.
And this other guy, Liev Schreiber is very creepy. :eek:
I guess I feel that way because of the roles he’s played (and played them very well). :cool:

http://imdb.com/name/nm0518321/

She most definately had an accent last season.

LOL ... funny that I never really noticed ... maybe it's a TN thing? ;) :)

LOL ... funny that I never really noticed ... maybe it's a TN thing? ;) :)
Nah, I just rememebred that her accent was something I found kinda appealing...

nc

(From Marc Berman’s Friday, Nov. 3, 2006, Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com )

“…First in the 9 p.m. hour remained ABC’s red-hot Grey’s Anatomy, with a 14.7/21 in the overnights, 20.96 million viewers and a 9.0/21 among adults 18-49. Second, of course, was CBS’ CSI at a 13.7/20 in the overnights, 20.53 million viewers and a 6.9/16 among adults 18-49 (which, year-to-year was down by a noticeable 27 percent in the overnights, 8.20 million viewers and 30 percent among adults 18-49 (Overnights: 18.7/27, Viewers: 28.73 million, A18-49: 9.9/24 on Nov. 3, 2005)….”

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

Did anyone notice any strange artifacts in the flashback sequences example with the kids/ and or especially the car where there was really bright contrasted objects...flames, light , glare etc...... the taillights etc were streaks not spots.. not sure if it my feed or hw... or intentional....just curious...

I noticed that also and just figured it was an artistic decision on their part.

Didn't watch it in HD. My local CBS affiliate has been having lots of issues with equipment and I don't dare fire up the projector and HD box unless I know it will be trouble free, or else I give my wife more ammo at not ever wanting to go up in the theater for a show like this.

Oh, how I wish they would get it all sorted out and done...

I noticed that also and just figured it was an artistic decision on their part.
Thanks a bunch for the confirmation...I have seen it every once and a while in other content... wonder if it some kind of encoding/decoding bug etc...

So I'm watching CNBC last weekend about some forensic lab. It was pretty gruesome. Without getting into the gorry details, I see the examiners had gloves, masks, hair-nets on. As I was watching this show, I was reminded of the CSI shows I watch all the time. On the CSI's, the examiners don't seem to covr up much at all. Catherin (from CSI/LV) always has long hair. Wouldn't this contaminate the scene a bit? How can someone examine for small hair fibers in a lab when they also have long hairs that may drop into the lab also?

I realize that the cast memebers (especially the women) look a heck of a lot better not wearing gloves and masks and stuff, but is this realistic?

just curoius...

nc

Yes, the show runners have said before that real CSIs would be wearing hair nets, protective suits, etc., but that CSI is a TV show.

It is entertainment and they don't want people seeing how boring most of the jobs are anyway, so they try to spruce it up by using music with catchy beats as well as special lighting and everything else. If they actually had boring white labs with boring looking people (all the same, since they are basically covered up), it would be harder for them to make it interesting...

The week it takes in the real world to get DNA results would also but a crimp in their plots. :D

BTW, has everyone noticed that the CSI lab has the world's only laser printers that emit pages out the top face up? ;)

Are we being led to believe that Gil and Sara are having a flimg? (Sara says "I won't wait up.")

Also, what is the significance of "misanthrope"? a hatred toward mankind...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misanthropy

When they showed the Amanda and also the Jill titles, it kinda reminded me of a Stanley Kubrik production.

nc

Are we being led to believe that Gil and Sara are having a flimg? (Sara says "I won't wait up.")Not a fling... a relationship.

Did you somehow miss the end of last season's finale in which it was finally admitted to after years of little hints?

any catch more info on that letter that Gill was reading that suggested he take a sabatical ? Didn't the large logo on the letterhead say Williams, or something like that ? It's probably related to the headaches he's been getting, and leading up to the leave that the actor who plays Grissom will be taking. Liv Schrieber(sp?) will be replacing him in January, I believe, on the show, just until the end of the season.

any catch more info on that letter that Gill was reading that suggested he take a sabatical ? Didn't the large logo on the letterhead say Williams, or something like that ? It's probably related to the headaches he's been getting, and leading up to the leave that the actor who plays Grissom will be taking. Liv Schrieber(sp?) will be replacing him in January, I believe, on the show, just until the end of the season.
Isn't Grissom takimg a leave to start in a theatrical play?

From a previous post I had on this thread:
TV Notebook
LIEV IS FALLING INTO ROLE ON 'CSI'
The New York Post October 26, 2006

TONY Award winner Liev Schreiber is joining the cast of "CSI" as a regular character, according to reports.

The actor will fill in for 'CSI" star William Peterson, who is taking time off in mid-season to appear in a play.

Schreiber will play a seasoned crime scene investigator with a checkered reputation who has worked in a number of police departments across the country before joining the Las Vegas Crime Lab.

He will appear sometime in January 2007, the reports said.

Sources say he won't start shooting scenes for new job until next month.

"After meeting the people who run 'CSI,' it immediately becomes apparent why it has consistently been one of the top shows on television. I am a fan, how could I say no?" says Schreiber.

Schreiber won a Tony last year for his role in the revival of the Broadway drama "Glengarry Glen Ross."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/1026200..._on_csi_tv_.htm

any catch more info on that letter that Gill was reading that suggested he take a sabatical ? Didn't the large logo on the letterhead say Williams, or something like that ? It's probably related to the headaches he's been getting, and leading up to the leave that the actor who plays Grissom will be taking. Liv Schrieber(sp?) will be replacing him in January, I believe, on the show, just until the end of the season.

It was an entomological conference of some kind.

It looked like they were asking him to be a keynote speaker or a longer term teaching position since it involved a sabatical.


Jerry

so thats the guy that was famous for the 'miniature crime scenes'
Interesting episode. Catherine Willows kept on laughing at Max.

I was kind of disappointed on how they wrapped up the mini-crime scene killer. I was looking for something a little more exciting than an old fart who works at a chicken slaughterhouse. Since the guy put a bullet through his skull, I guess that story is over

Catherine Willows kept on laughing at Max.

Makes you wonder if she (Marg the actress) caught a case of the uncontrollable giggles during the shoot, and perhaps "they" (director/crew) just decided to run with it. ;)

Makes you wonder if she (Marg the actress) caught a case of the uncontrollable giggles during the shoot, and perhaps "they" (director/crew) just decided to run with it. ;)That’s the way I perceived it to be. The one time it looked like the giggles and the other time it looked like it was forced for continuity.

What was the significance of the "dead dolls" in the each model?

I was kind of disappointed on how they wrapped up the mini-crime scene killer. I was looking for something a little more exciting than an old fart who works at a chicken slaughterhouse. Since the guy put a bullet through his skull, I guess that story is overI don’t think we saw the last of this story line. As mentioned above- there are some lose ends and it didn’t seem like a fitting ending.

The last two minutes of this show was the most disturbing thing I've ever seen on TV.

"Ya spend from sun up til sun down killing, and still your job's not done...poof!!"

awesome!

What is the deal with this "teaching sabbatical" that Grissom is taking? Is Will Petersen taking a temporary "sabbatical" from the show?

Apparently

What is the deal with this "teaching sabbatical" that Grissom is taking? Is Will Petersen taking a temporary "sabbatical" from the show?

Here is what "TV Squad" thinks:

http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/12/26/is-william-petersen-really-leaving-csi/

Thanks for the link ... sorry to hear that. He is the only character on CSI that I really like. May not be watching CSI that often any more. I actually prefer CSI - Miami and CSI - NY anyway.

Relax.

William Petersen is, as has been reported for months, just taking four episodes off -- while he has been appearing in a stage production in Providence RI (the final performance in Jan. 7).

He will be back to his "CSI" duties after that four-episode hiatus.

Not to mention William Petersen's contract for CSI runs through the 2007-2008 season.

I thiought I'd never say it about CSI:LV, but this show aweful!

Grissom was gonna take a leave of absence, so I thought there would be some col plot. But, instead, we get Catherine undressing for a convict!

Are police in Reno really this inept? The bullet is left in the table? And the police didn't see it the first time around?

:(

Very disappointed!

nc

But, instead, we get Catherine undressing for a convict!


Haha, that was awesome :p

Yeah, bullet under the table was silly.

Are police in Reno really this inept?

Have you not seen Reno 911? Lt. Dangle and crew would easily miss that bullet. ;)

According to the plot line, the local Sheriff did the investigation.
Reno only did the lab work.

Walt

Have you not seen Reno 911? Lt. Dangle and crew would easily miss that bullet. ;)Have you seen the “trailer” for the Reno movie coming out? I've never watched one episode but I saw the HD trailer on that INHD movie trailers show and it was hysterical. :D

Regarding last nights episode, I agree that bullet in the table (and the bullets under the rabbit house) was pathetic. :rolleyes:

The only “defense” for the poor police work they presented in the episode was the “best friend killed emotions take over” scenario. It was kind of weak but I still enjoyed the episode.

The 8:00 rerun was great. I missed that on its original run. It kept me guessing through out. :cool:

Can we not post threads with titles like these that are basically spoilers?? There is a huge ass CSI thread on the forum already.

If we started threads for each and every actor and plot twist on a show, we'll never see the end of it.

Also, use fredfa's "hot off the press" thread at the top of the forum...it was created for these types of things.

"CSI - Gil Grissom?" is a spoiler?

Topics merged.

CSI: New York this week (body in salt-spreader-truck episode) looked better than usual--crisper for most scenes IMO. Wonder if they're using a different technique, DOP*, etc.? -- John
* A bit of Googling, and this site (http://tv.yahoo.com/episode/119250/castcrew;_ylt=Aqyu7ndVk6rTNSH6_lBPde2vo9EF) indicates the DOP, Marshall Adams, differs from the previous episode's DOP, as well as a different director.
EDIT: A search didn't turn up any CSI NYC exclusive threads with a year scan, and this thread title seems general even if the contents seem more CSI LV.

John, I didn't see CSI: NY this week as I am stuck on American Idol. But, I did see last night's CSI: LV and it was an interesting episode. I had to keep explaining to my wife what was going on as we were eating dinner during the first part of it and wasn't paying complete attention. Interesting the way things panned out and I liked the part at the end where the under sheriff or whatever screwed up and Brass told him what went wrong.

My wife didn't follow the episode either. But I thought it was pretty good.

I love how they keep showing the little models and the package on Grissom's desk. I wonder when someone will think to open that thing up or forward it on to him.

agreed, we were distracted at the beginning of the show with they were discussing the plan for the fake crime scene, so midway through the episode my wife kept on asking if we could go back to the beginning to see what they were saying. Instead we just waited until the end when they explained why they needed to fake the crime scene. Good episode, Liev Schrieber isn't too bad on the show, he's more of a profile than a CSI. Still think Grissom's character has more personality, in his own special way

I have noticed that the music on the shows since Grissom left have a creepier feel to them.


My wife said "I don't like the music, it's to scarey"

I have noticed that the music on the shows since Grissom left have a creepier feel to them.

Yes, couldn't help but recognize some of the creepy 'stalking' music in last week's episode. It sounded very close to what was used in "Klute" with Jane Fonda. -- John

Same here. The first half just couldn't keep my attention (didn't feel like rewiding) so I eventually figured out what was going on.

can't wait for Grissom to come back and get rid of this creep that is taking his place..Great episode but Gil would never keep the team in the dark like that.. :eek:

Humm ... anyone want to lay odds on "Creepy CSI" (Liev) being the real miniature killer?

I liked last nights episode.

LOL ... well at least I was on the right track wrt "Creepy CSI."

Open The Box!!!!!

Open The Box!!!!!
Next week - according to the previews.

But, yeah, I've been thinking that every episode since Gil has been gone. We all know what has to be in there, but they keep teasing us with shots of the box. I guess there are worse ways of convincing people to keep tuning in.

One of the best episodes of this show I've ever seen. I really enjoyed how we see a more personal side of the characters. Ya really gotta feel sorry for Sarah. Very strong ending when she realized she held the hands of the victim and of the perp.

Keep it up! GA sux compared to this show!

nc

Very nicely done with Sarah's experiences as stated but I found the episode too gruesomly depressing with all those young girls snuffed. Yah, I know, it's CSI, what should I expect?

Yes, a well-made episode and very chilling. Found myself noticing the quite appropriate and eerie music track, a welcome change from blaring rock; hmm, maybe that's only used for 2-murder shows. -- John

Nice episode last night.

When Sara found the girl under the bed alive, my old brain was thinking "Chicago, Nurses, Richard Speck", a real Deja Vu moment, except one of the nurses survived to testify.
Did the perp really try to off himself by slicing his own throat ?

Walt

When Sara found the girl under the bed alive, my old brain was thinking "Chicago, Nurses, Richard Speck", a real Deja Vu moment, except one of the nurses survived to testify.That’s so funny you should say that. Just before she discovered the girl under the bed my wife made me pause it and proceeded to give me the whole Richard Speck story. I ran it back a minute to get back in the mood and then-- the girl under the bed. :eek: :eek: :eek:
I hate to say it but I jumped. :o :D

Did the perp really try to off himself by slicing his own throat ?

Walt

Apparently so, but that doesn't mesh with his statement at the end about not feeling anything about murdering the girls. Attempted suicide on his part seems like a sign of remorse. Could it just be a writing snafu?

Anyway...VERY good episode. Dark? Yes, but a very good episode. The part that ticked me off was Greg learning that the city was settling the case against him. How much you wanna bet the brother will try to avenge his murdering brother's death in a later episode?

A very powerful episode. Dark, chilling, and effective.

Did anyone wonder why this had such a strong warning in the beginning? I didn't notice any content out of the ordinary.

The part that ticked me off was Greg learning that the city was settling the case against him. How much you wanna bet the brother will try to avenge his murdering brother's death in a later episode?

It looked like something is coming up next episode about the brother. If I remember correctly, the mother is yelling at Greg asking why taking the life of one of her sons wasn't enough...

Apparently so, but that doesn't mesh with his statement at the end about not feeling anything about murdering the girls. Attempted suicide on his part seems like a sign of remorse. Could it just be a writing snafu?
I can think of two ways to explain this. Psychopaths tend say what they think people want to hear to benefit their situation. He couldn't say, "Yeah, I loved rippin' them chicks up and watchin' 'em die." Better to plead amnesia and get a little sympathy than admitting he's a monster.

If he has a personality disorder (TV style), he may not actually remember what he was feeling at the time or he may be suppressing the feelings.

In either case, that doesn't mean he couldn't feel enough remorse afterwards to want to kill himself. He acted on impulse and his initial intentions weren't very clear.

Is Jorda Foxx pregnant? She sure as heck looks it.

Maybe they are making here look that way to set up a plotline for later in the season with Grissom? They are not treating her like the actress on CSI-NY who they hid behind tables and shot from the shoulders up on to hide she was pregnant. I do not notice them hiding Jorda Foxx in the same manner.

I really liked last night's episode. Good to see the little guys get some action.

Hodges' "lucky day" montage was a riot. I really enjoyed this episode.

Grissom's "Looks like he's on to us" re: the rat was pretty funny as well.

I really liked last night's ep, great diversion from the usual storyline, and, I hadn't realized how hot "Wendy" is. :-)

BTW, for any of you that also watch Miami, the "Anna always dressed in white" hooker that's been in the last few eps is a regular on "The Shield", she plays a rookie uniformed cop.

Yes, that was a very entertaining ep alright. And yes again, Wendy Simms is one hot lab rat too! Her scenes are always so short... This was the ep I've been waiting for :). I think I'm in lust!


ron

Hodges' "lucky day" montage was a riot. I really enjoyed this episode.

Grissom's "Looks like he's on to us" re: the rat was pretty funny as well.That was cool, especially using the ELO tune. :cool:

Even though the line about the rat was funny (“He’s on to us”), I really didn’t care to see that. It’s bad enough this show is so over the top disgusting but that rat slithering out of that corpse :eek: like the “alien” was too much.
:(

Even though the line about the rat was funny (“He’s on to us”), I really didn’t care to see that. It’s bad enough this show is so over the top disgusting but that rat slithering out of that corpse :eek: like the “alien” was too much.
:(No..... that was one of the parts of the show :). It was great in slo mo! Especially since they made it look like the rat had his hind claws hooked up in some entrails that came streaming out behind him :D.


ron

No..... that was one of the parts of the show :). It was great in slo mo! Especially since they made it look like the rat had his hind claws hooked up in some entrails that came streaming out behind him :D.ronAt that moment :eek: I dropped my falafel :eek: :D ... got to remember—never eat diner during CSI. :cool:

My wife was asking if Jorja Fox was pregnant as well. I told her it may just be because she was a model and from what I remember hearing on older CSI threads, that is normal for models. Whatever that means.

I also though that Sheeri Rappaport who plays Mandy Webster, the "Lab Rat" with the glasses is really cute.

I did not noticed how she was looking prenant.

IMHO Jorja Fox looks pregnant only if you think anyone who's over a size 2 looks fat. :D

I don't think I've enjoyed a CSI episode more than last night's. This may be best season that CSI has had.

I don't think I've enjoyed a CSI episode more than last night's. This may be best season that CSI has had.
I've enjoyed it as well, especially if they wrap up the miniature serial killer plotline intelligently. In contrast, the 2 other CSIs have been noticeably bad this season, IMO.

Last night ep was delightfully hilarious, after the night that poor guy had, and he finally sits down by the pool and then the cigarette smoke billowed out of the two holes in his neck, I thought I was going to bust a gut I was laughing so hard. :D

I don't think I've enjoyed a CSI episode more than last night's. This may be best season that CSI has had.

I have to agree. That was a damn good episode.. Those two country hicks really had me laughing throughout the episode(those voices).. I especially loved when those two were being questioned by Captain Brass, and every time he thought he had them for the crime.. his cell phone would start vibrating.

A very interesting episode.

The smoke out the neck was REALLY funny :)

So, what was the girl from? The one who hit Happy with the tire iron?

edit: Ashley Johnson from Growing Pains

I haven't really watched this season due to numerous reasons, but how is this season compared to others for y'all?

I have enjoyed this season. Some interesting shows with lots of variety.

BTW, on last night's show, when they were going into the neighbor's apartment to the Dell kid to find the killer, I just knew it was going to be a "Silence of the lambs" type thing where they are knocking on the door, the killer turns and looks and when she opens the door, it is a delivery person and the cops are at the wrong location.

Horrible way to end a season as well! Grissom tells everyone that "She wants to take from me what I love the most" and everyone is putting two-and-two together figuring out that Grissom and Sara are an "item" and Sara trapped the way she was...

I guess we have to wait until September or October for the first show of next season.

The reason it ended the way ti did was because Jorja is once again trying to hold out for more money. In fact the producers were so pissed off at her she originally was slated to die in the finale. So she refused to show up for filming on the scene, and they had to do it a diffferent way. So they left it to be ambiguous whether she would live or die.

CSI has pretty much been blah the entire season. CSI NY has probably been more compelling in the last few weeks. CIS Miami can't progress beyond the horrible acting and CSI NY may have some better actors but most episodes are just bland.

Great usage of tilt-shift (or fake tilt-shift) lenses in the finale. It made the Strip look like a miniature.

Great usage of tilt-shift (or fake tilt-shift) lenses in the finale. It made the Strip look like a miniature. Yes that was great! It was like the whole town was under the miniature killer's magnifying glass. :cool:

Great usage of tilt-shift (or fake tilt-shift) lenses in the finale. It made the Strip look like a miniature.
That was pretty cool. The photography in general for this "miniature" plotline has been interesting.

CSI has pretty much been blah the entire season. CSI NY has probably been more compelling in the last few weeks. CIS Miami can't progress beyond the horrible acting and CSI NY may have some better actors but most episodes are just bland.I don't know. I think this season of the original has been pretty good overall. The miniature killer thread has been entertaining and last night I actually got a couple creep moments from it. I quit watching Miami after the first season as it was just too much for me to hack. I have watched NY very sporadically until this season when I've seen most of them. It seems to have picked up quite a bit since the early days and I find it to be pretty decent now. Except for poor Claire Forlani as the medical examiner. I don't know if it's just the writing or her in the role but it just doesn't work for me.


ron

Great usage of tilt-shift (or fake tilt-shift) lenses in the finale. It made the Strip look like a miniature.

I thought they did it as a miniature, I didn't realize they messed with the lenses and such to just make it look like that....

I wasn't watching in HD, so I didn't get the high-res version to see it with.

The preview that keeps getting shown about tonight's episode, Who is singing the song there? Is it Kate Bush? Very ethereal tune, hypnoic. I'd love to get the album!

IS it Kate Bush?

I had some real problems with the season opener. Sara was injured, getting dehydrated and they knew which direction she went in and they couldn't find her after only 15 hours? she must be moving like the wind. Speaking of wind, I've only been to LV a few times, but with all that rain and flooding would the desert be so dry in a few hours that the wind was blowing up dust clouds?

I don't know if Jorga will stick around for the whole season, I've heard reports she wont, but at least for once they didn't kill a character off who might be leaving.

I don't know if Jorga will stick around for the whole season, I've heard reports she wont, but at least for once they didn't kill a character off who might be leaving.

"For once"? They haven't lost a character in the history of the series. (Except the throwaway tech in the pilot.)

If you watch season 1 (which is currently being shown on the Spike TV reruns, you'll see the entire main cast there. No one has been added. No one has been "fired" or "transferred" or killed. The only real change is that Greg went from the lab to the field (he was in the lab as early as the second episode ever). Some minor characters have been added (Hodges, the other lab techs, Sofia Curtis), but even they have been there a while (the coroner came aboard in the middle of season 1; Hodges has been there since season 3, Curtis from season 5).

I had some real problems with the season opener. Sara was injured, getting dehydrated and they knew which direction she went in and they couldn't find her after only 15 hours? she must be moving like the wind. Speaking of wind, I've only been to LV a few times, but with all that rain and flooding would the desert be so dry in a few hours that the wind was blowing up dust clouds?

I don't know if Jorga will stick around for the whole season, I've heard reports she wont, but at least for once they didn't kill a character off who might be leaving.

I felt the same way there were so many lose ends I picked up that they could have easily found her. I mean they knew she was only 30 miles away in the West end Direction why not just go out and look cant be that hard to find and you made a good point to.

I had some real problems with the season opener. Sara was injured, getting dehydrated and they knew which direction she went in and they couldn't find her after only 15 hours? she must be moving like the wind. Speaking of wind, I've only been to LV a few times, but with all that rain and flooding would the desert be so dry in a few hours that the wind was blowing up dust clouds?

I don't know if Jorga will stick around for the whole season, I've heard reports she wont, but at least for once they didn't kill a character off who might be leaving.

Easily, we're talking summer thunderstorms. You get a heavy downpour, flash-flooding, and a few hours later with 115 degree heat, the ground is dry as a bone.

I felt the same way there were so many lose ends I picked up that they could have easily found her. I mean they knew she was only 30 miles away in the West end Direction why not just go out and look cant be that hard to find and you made a good point to.

Have you ever been in the desert? 30 miles, that is an unbelievably huge amount of area, you can get lost in the desert by being only 50' from the highway.

This is what gets me. Any trained investigator would know NOT to leave the the scene. She should have known they would be looking for her & should have trusted her coworkers to find her. In the years we've seen Sara(as a charactor), we know that she's much more inteligent than what the writes wrote.

I can't count how many times here in the Rockies that someone will get lost & they just keep walking, getting more lost & farther away from the last point where someone had last seen them.

As far as the search went someone in a heli or plane would have been high enough for her to have seen them. She then could have used the mirror.

Your right. She could not have gotten that far from the mustang.

Also, when the killer was lowering the mustang onto Sara. She in no way could have done it without a winch or something similar. They back away & there's nothing but her. NO WAY!

I though CSI writers were better than what we saw tonight.:(

The preview that keeps getting shown about tonight's episode, Who is singing the song there? Is it Kate Bush? Very ethereal tune, hypnoic. I'd love to get the album!

IS it Kate Bush?
Yep. Kate Bush - "This Woman's Work"
It's on her album "The Sensual World" and also on the movie soundtrack to "She's Having A Baby".

Honestly, I was severely disappointed in the season premiere. The writing was terrible. I have also never liked the Sarah Sidel character, so I was actually hoping they would kill her off. I just hope Miami and NY's were better (DVR'd to watch tonight- don't spoil them for me).

The season opener was ok IMO. Nothing 'great' and nothing bad. Just a normal episode of CSI.

....Also, when the killer was lowering the mustang onto Sara. She in no way could have done it without a winch or something similar. They back away & there's nothing but her. NO WAY!

I though CSI writers were better than what we saw tonight.:(

That's what I thought also right after it happened. But later I got the impression the the junkyard guy may have helped out with his towtruck, although I don't know why he would have done that. :confused:

Worst episode I ever seen. Especially when the team is riding in the helicopter, they say "Look! Red car! It matches the description!".. How many cars are stranded in the desert???? STUPID!!

For someone to be trapped in a car, then set loose in the desert, and survive, is quite unbelievable.

A very big disappointment.

BTW, Grissom looks very old, epsecially when he runs :)

nc

Looks like they "Jumped the Shark"
I hope I am wrong

I was very disappointed last night also. Not a memorable moment in the whole show.

Jorja Fox Leaving CSI This Season
http://www.thetvremote.com/index.php

In the introduction to his interview with CSI star Jorja Fox, Michael Ausiello reported that Jorja Fox will be leaving CSI in November.

How’s this for a twisty turnabout: Even though Sara Sidle survived her run-in with CSI’s Miniature Killer in last night’s gripping season premiere, her time on the show has nonetheless come to an end. Multiple sources confirm that Jorja Fox — whose contract expired at the end of last season — will depart the hit procedural this November after failing to come to terms on a new long-term deal.

In the interview with Fox, she chose not to comment on her character’s fate or about her leaving the show this season. Fox’s only comment was that the she declined the last round of raises for the cast, which means she didn’t add another year to her contract like the rest of the cast did. Her lack of comment either way makes me think that she is indeed leaving CSI at some point this season.

Honestly, I was severely disappointed in the season premiere. The writing was terrible.
This kind of weak writing is why I don't watch CSI Miami.

Sara leaving the car (the most visible thing from the air!) to die out in the desert wasn't the only dumb thing. Grissom waved off, what, three helicopters that could have combed the desert for Sara so the five of them could look for her on foot? Smart idea to bring that mirror, Sara! Stupid idea for you to "overpower" your kidnapper by grabbing the steering wheel instead of putting her in a headlock or punching her like they taught you in cop school. Oh and don't try yanking the keys out of the ignition because that's what cops do on other shows.

Couch Potato is right. Over the years lots of people around here have been driving around in the mountains and gotten stuck in snow storms. But they don't wait in their nice safe warm cars that have a tank full of gas for conditions to improve. No they abandon them and wander off snow blind into the blizzard to their freezing deaths because if your car stops, you have to get out of it. :rolleyes:

I'll agree that it was a poor episode. But you could explain Sara's actions by saying that she was disoriented and unable to think. But yeah, her wandering around the desert was pretty stupid.

Stupid idea for you to "overpower" your kidnapper by grabbing the steering wheel instead of putting her in a headlock or punching her like they taught you in cop school.

Is that what happened? I lost the feed several times during the show when my local station had some "major" issues. Didn't even see that part.

Is that what happened? I lost the feed several times during the show when my local station had some "major" issues. Didn't even see that part.

When Sara popped up from the back seat, I was expecting her to disable the killer and then take the wheel (or yank the car keys). I mean when a TV character is behind a bad guy and they're not aware of it, there's a whole bunch of ways to do this on television: eye jab, throat chop, headlock and so on (Jack Bauer has used all of these in every episode of 24). From what I remember, she didn't even try to disable the kooky girl but went almost directly to the steering wheel. The only reason I could think of was that they were about to crash into something which would have sent Sara through the windshield but I didn't see that.

I'm sure some people would say that. Fact is she was coherant enough to dig out from under the rock to free her arm all while holding her breath. She was not disoriented enough to all of a suden to just start walking off. Anyone would have sat down to take a breather at least.

We all know this whole thing was written for the dramatic( will she die or not). Most would probably not even think of the things we have. Thing is, if this was written for a highschool class it would have gotten an F for no creativity.

The finding the only dead guy in a hundred miles buried in sand while looking for her just for dramas sake has got to be one of the cheezyest things I've seen in a LONG time. Didn't fool me for a split second.


I'll agree that it was a poor episode. But you could explain Sara's actions by saying that she was disoriented and unable to think. But yeah, her wandering around the desert was pretty stupid.

I'm not that familiar with the desert but after all that rain would it be that dry and dusty as soon as the sun came up? Poorly executed episode and not what we usually get with this series. Grissom really did look old and really out of shape. Half expected him to have a heart attack from the stress and the heat.

I was really annoyed that the helicopter sequences were zooming by at high-speed, obviously for dramatic effect. How could they possibly have seen anything at that speed, such as a single person?

Then, Nick in his car... on a road... driving at 70 mph... magically spots "something" apparently just off the highway, when the choppers and Gil-on-foot-plus-crew apparently weren't even close. And Sara hadn't even consciously positioned her mirror (which had already broken) to reflect anything from the sky, into what apparently was precisely the direction of the road. If she knew there was a road there, and it was apparently fairly close, why didn't she walk to it?e

Also, Sara clearly broke her own arm to get it out from under the overturned car (which, as has already been observed, apparently was lowered on top of her with Supergirl-Natalie operating solo and with no mechanical assistance). Where did she find material for her makeshift "sling", and wasn't she in extreme pain? She didn't even wince when she fell down in the sand, having walked in her delirium apparently halfway across Nevada.

Finally, I though the very very very dark look of the whole show was disappointing. None of usual high-gleam in-the-dark neon light look of the lab scenes. These were simply outdoor night-rain shots. Very very dark and unsatisfying.

P.S. - why doesn't anybody ever just TURN THE LIGHTS ON??? What is all of this running around with high-intensity halogen flashlights, when they're inside somewhere where there clearly is a light switch on the wall that could do a really good job of illuminating things?

I realize this is a copy of "X-Files" approach to using flashlights for effect, but really... isn't this just plain counter-productive? Why would you walk around in the dark looking for a single hair on the floor, when having the lights on might really help?

Not an auspicious start to the new season.

I'm waiting for "Dexter" Season 2 debut on SHO-HD this Sunday night.

Also, when the killer was lowering the mustang onto Sara. She in no way could have done it without a winch or something similar. They back away & there's nothing but her. NO WAY!

I though CSI writers were better than what we saw tonight.:(

Watching late last night with Closed Captions on, lest I wake everyong in the house, there was a notation of "hydraulics hiss" as the car was being lowered.

Maybe a bottle jack on the corner of the car, well out of Sarahs reach?
Where did she find material for her makeshift "sling", and wasn't she in extreme pain? She didn't even wince when she fell down in the sand, having walked in her delirium apparently halfway across Nevada.

She made the sling and the dewrag head thing out of her shirt.
People layer even in the heat of Las Vegas.

Delerium does wonderful things with pain.
She could have lost her shoes and walked across a cactus patch without noticing, thanks to the heat-dehydration induced delerium.


Jerry

Delerium does wonderful things with pain. She could have lost her shoes and walked across a cactus patch without noticing, thanks to the heat-dehydration induced delerium.And yet she still had the presence of mind to carefully stack three rocks every 50 feet, to act as a "follow-me when you get here" trail.

Look, I know it's only a TV show. But this one was not up to CSI:Original standards.

Anyone else notice they used 2 different Mustangs for the scenes? One was a stock 2007 GT convertible (notice teh "fanblade" wheels). The other is a similar car, but it clearly had Roush wheels on it.

Watching late last night with Closed Captions on, lest I wake everyong in the house, there was a notation of "hydraulics hiss" as the car was being lowered.

Maybe a bottle jack on the corner of the car, well out of Sarahs reach?

It seemed to me like I heard something while she was reaching over to the side as the car was going down. I assumed it was a jack of some kind. Still, not the best ep ever ;).


ron

One other silly point.

How long did Grissom and Catherine stay with that rotting dead body before moving on to look for Sarah?!

And yet she still had the presence of mind to carefully stack three rocks every 50 feet, to act as a "follow-me when you get here" trail.

Look, I know it's only a TV show. But this one was not up to CSI:Original standards.

I thought the Stacks of rocks were from the dead guy they found who was supposed to be a camper or something of the sort.

I also heard the 'hissing' sound when the car was being lowered onto Sara, just assumed it was a hydraulic jack in use. Too bad the cropped it out of the scene.

Really idiotic that they didn't use the helicopters to find her though, instead of doinf it by foot as per Grissom's orders.

I thought the Stacks of rocks were from the dead guy they found who was supposed to be a camper or something of the sort.Actually, you're probably right. I fell for what now appears to be script-intentional misleading directives when Catherine said "this is better than footprints", for amateurish dramatic effect.

I guess I wasn't paying close attention, or dozed off, or something. You're right on the rocks.

P.S. - why doesn't anybody ever just TURN THE LIGHTS ON??? What is all of this running around with high-intensity halogen flashlights, when they're inside somewhere where there clearly is a light switch on the wall that could do a really good job of illuminating things?
That happens every episode. It bothered me at first also. I went to a flashlight website and asked the same question. The best answer I got was that it is sometimes easier to find something if a light is shining only on it. I.e., if you turn the room lights on, you might miss a splotch on the carpet because you're basically looking at the entire carpet at once. But if you use the flashlight, you're only looking at one particular patch of carpet at a time.

PS, I believe this is the flashlight that Catherine normally uses:
http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/prrfnbr/414/sesent/00

That is a seriously bright flashlight. Apparently, they need a really bright flashlight just to show up on the film.

Well, I appreciated the bizarreness of it... a blind restaurant where pervs hangout. Acutally, I thought there wiould have been more of sarah and rissom and their trysts :D Where was blondie? Is she off the show now?

The ending - does this mean that Sarah is gone from the team for good and Grissom remains? Seeing Sarah and Gil together...I think it doesnt look right. They don't look very good together. He is too old and not as much in shape.

nc

The ending - does this mean that Sarah is gone from the team for good and Grissom remains? Seeing Sarah and Gil together...I think it doesnt look right. They don't look very good together. He is too old and not as much in shape.


Anyone that thinks Grissom and Sara don't belong together hasn't been watching the same show I have been for the past eight years.

There's always been a strong chemistry between those two, which has become blatant in the past few seasons. They've known and understood each other for quite some time.

Grissom's "nine years" isn't that far off the mark; remember he specifically brought her in from San Francisco in episode two of the series.

In this week's episode, the kid driving the go cart was decapitated from a truck tire blow out. Myth Busters researched this EXACT myth using the EXACT same technique shown on CSI. Wonder if the MB team got any credit?

Well Grissom said urban legends always come from something. Maybe he meant they come from Mythbusters!

Wasn't the kid on the go cart following the truck closely? I remember someone on the show made a comment about "120mph speed", 60mph for the truck plus 60mph for the cart. But if the cart was following the truck then the impact speed was obviously much less.

I believe the assumption was that the tire was also rotating at 60 mph, thus the debris was sent back towards the kid at 60mph...

I believe the assumption was that the tire was also rotating at 60 mph, thus the debris was sent back towards the kid at 60mph...

Except it wouldn't. As a tire turns, it bottom surface that is in contact the ground it at 0 mph relative to the ground (or you'd have little or no traction; think burning rubber). So at most it might be going a few mph backwards. But no way could the combined speed be 120 mph.

I tend to think the tire's momentum would keep it moving forward at some speed (following the truck), not shooting out forcefully backward. Did anyone actually see the Mythbuster's episode? What did they say?

Except it wouldn't. As a tire turns, it bottom surface that is in contact the ground it at 0 mph relative to the ground (or you'd have little or no traction; think burning rubber). So at most it might be going a few mph backwards. But no way could the combined speed be 120 mph.

Correct. I've seen blowouts, and have even been hit by debris, and most don't even go straight back. The momentum backwards would have to overcome the forward momentum of the vehicle. The greatest part of the impact would be the closing speed of the go-cart from behind. No way it is close to 120. It that were the case, blowouts in NASCAR and other auto sports would be close to 400 MPH.

Art

The science on CSI in this case is correct. The outer surface of the tire is moving at 60mph relative to the speed the axle is moving, it's just moving in a circular motion. If the tread blows as it's making a revolution, leaving the ground and coming back up for another revolution, the speed at which the tread is flung off will be about the speed the tire is moving(figuring in air resistance, friction from the tread tearing away, would slow it somewhat) which would be about 60mph. The go-cart is moving at 60mph, so the combined impact, 60mph forward, and 60mph backwards, would be about 120 mph.

Understand though that the angle and the point of the tread disengaging from the wheel would have to be just right, otherwise the tread would get flung into to air, higher than than cart, etc. If disengaged before the wheel has completed a downward revolution - coming apart on the front side of the tire - it would get flung forward, or even slowed down considerably by the remaining tire material and tires running over it.

I don't think the truck he was following had a blowout. I think there was debris on the road from a previous tire blowout and the truck the kid was following ran over it and shot it backward. Didn't Nick make a comment about all the blown tire rubber all over the place when they were looking around early on?

I still don't know if that would be physically possible, but at least it better mirrors Grissom's experiment in the lab.

We probably need to get in contact with Charlie over at Numb3rs :)

can someone tell me why is it that in all of these cop shows, everyone always whispers?

Seeing Sarah and Gil together...I think it doesnt look right. They don't look very good together. He is too old and not as much in shape.

nc


Yeah man it's sickening.

Gil is 53 today and Sara is 39. That's just a 14 year difference. No biggie...

I don't think the truck he was following had a blowout. I think there was debris on the road from a previous tire blowout and the truck the kid was following ran over it and shot it backward. Didn't Nick make a comment about all the blown tire rubber all over the place when they were looking around early on?

I still don't know if that would be physically possible, but at least it better mirrors Grissom's experiment in the lab.

A single truck tire can explode into quite a few pieces, from what I remember there didn't seem to be any more tire pieces than would be normal for a single blowout.

Trailer tires are often retreads, meaning a new tread piece has been bonded to the tire skin. What happens most often is the tread section separates from the skin due to wear, heat, weight load on the tire, and air pressure of the tire which is typically 90-100lbs. Also, running over a piece of debris on the highway can damage the tire to the point that it explodes. Reliability of a retread is much lower than it is for a new single piece tire, this is why retreads are illegal for use as steer tires.

I've seen and had retreads blow before and the result can be quite devastating, whole mudflap and light assemblies can be literally blown/torn off the trailer. One tire blowing can also cause the associated tandem tire to be destroyed as well.

Does anyone know who decides what cast members get the most air time? I've been really curious about this for some time now. Obviously, Saraha get very little air now, since she is leaving the show soon. I read where she didn't sign her contract because of money. And heck, Catherine gets TONS of camera time. Is it because she's the best looking one? :D Seriously though, it seems to be catherine and Grissom with the most time on camera. Is this based on salary or something?

As for last night's show, it was OK. I don't find much dynamics on CSI anymore (boring and formulary). Since the start of Crimnal Minds this season, all other crime shows are lacking.

Also, is that new chick (last name "Lake") gonna take over Sarah's spot. She's aweful and doesn't even come close to Sarah's persona.

nc

Also, is that new chick (last name "Lake") gonna take over Sarah's spot. She's aweful and doesn't even come close to Sarah's persona.
nc

She is sort of cute, atleast. :p

Did anyone notice momentary video drop-outs where the screen turned yellow? I got a few of those last night on both CSI and Without a Trace over DirecTV.

Did anyone notice momentary video drop-outs where the screen turned yellow? I got a few of those last night on both CSI and Without a Trace over DirecTV.:eek:Yeah! I saw that on CSI too (didn’t watch WAT). I’m on TWCNY.

At first I thought it was my cable but it almost looked like it was from the main feeds end. It looked like some kind of censor or “bleep.” Very strange, I’m glad to see that it wasn’t just me—and on satellite too.