If you're really considering a 120 inch screen, you might think about a higher power screen (if you can afford it). That's a large screen, and the Panny 900, while not too shabby in the light output department, is going to need help. Also consider mounting and seating position, as this affects the gain.

Ah well from my experience, I've got 106" GW1 and the Panny 900. I am sitting around 9.5 - 10 feet and I think its perfect, no SDE, or anything. My only gripe is the waves in teh screen, and teh fact that it's not an absolute bright screen becuase I am doing a ceiling mount. But hey I can't complain as this is my first FP setup and I got eveything cheaper than what I paid for my 42" sony LCD hdtv a year ago.

- JoshI have the same set up. 106" GW with the Panny 900. I sit around 10' back. I agree that the waves are bothersome, which is why I'm going to replace it with a High Power. Not only that, but the texture is starting to really get to me. I need something with a little more pop.

How can I safely put samples of other screen material on my graywolf? I have a 12"x12" sample of high power screen material, and I was wondering if I could use electrical tape or something to stick it on the GW without damaging the GW?

How can I safely put samples of other screen material on my graywolf? I have a 12"x12" sample of high power screen material, and I was wondering if I could use electrical tape or something to stick it on the GW without damaging the GW?

dont tape it ;)

try this get some other material and tape it to that then roll down your GW a few inches get the top of the other material started then go back up this way the other material is against the black part of your GW and wont hurt it then your material hangs down in front of the screen
this is how I tested samples and I just used other samples as the material I taped to ;)

ALSO as I am sure you are aware you really need the complete screen in front of you to really see things clearly

I'm considering the 92" GWII. I'll probably end up frame mounting it in the end. But I do have some questions, which I suppose is why I'm posting here.

For those with a ceiling mounted projector, does the screen seem to have a uniform brightness, or does the top/bottom appear brighter than the bottom/top? Since I'll be ceiling mounted, I understand the gain will be pretty much 1. So, is it worth it for this setup, or should I just get some parkland, paint it with Behr SilverScreen, and use that?

Hello,

This is my first post, so pardon my "newbieness." I just purchased a Optoma H31 from VisualApex that should be arriving on Tuesday. Does anyone have this same projector (or a very similar one at the least) and a GreyWolf 120" screen? I will be mounting it overhead about 15 to 17 feet from the screen and sitting about the same distance from the screen. The projector should be about 7 1/2 to 8 1/2 feet from the floor. The room will be almost all dark but rarely there may be ambient light. For the most part it is a controlled enviornment though.

My question is is the 120" too big for my projector or should I go with the 106" GreyWolf? Also, because of the reflective surface, will a 120" or even a 106" inch GreyWolf be too dark because of the loss of gain from mounting the projector overhead?

The specs of my projector can be obtained from VisualApex's website.

Thanks guys!!!

Hello,

This is my first post, so pardon my "newbieness." I just purchased a Optoma H31 from VisualApex that should be arriving on Tuesday. Does anyone have this same projector (or a very similar one at the least) and a GreyWolf 120" screen? I will be mounting it overhead about 15 to 17 feet from the screen and sitting about the same distance from the screen. The projector should be about 7 1/2 to 8 1/2 feet from the floor. The room will be almost all dark but rarely there may be ambient light. For the most part it is a controlled enviornment though.

My question is is the 120" too big for my projector or should I go with the 106" GreyWolf? Also, because of the reflective surface, will a 120" or even a 106" inch GreyWolf be too dark because of the loss of gain from mounting the projector overhead?

The specs of my projector can be obtained from VisualApex's website.

Thanks guys!!!

Nice purchase, if you havn't already check out www.projectorcentral.com

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Optoma-H31.htm

from there check out the calculator on the site, it will allow you to determin the optimal screen size for your distance.

based off of what I did for you, with that projector, running a 1.61 zoom, doing a throw distance of 15 feet, you could easily do 120" screen however, it recomends running a higher gain screen, even though the GW is a higher gain screen (1.8) the gain properties of the screen only work when the projector is coffe table mounted or shelf mounted.

A ceiling mount setup for this screen negates the gain properties of the screen.

- Josh

Nice purchase, if you havn't already check out

from there check out the calculator on the site, it will allow you to determin the optimal screen size for your distance.

based off of what I did for you, with that projector, running a 1.61 zoom, doing a throw distance of 15 feet, you could easily do 120" screen however, it recomends running a higher gain screen, even though the GW is a higher gain screen (1.8) the gain properties of the screen only work when the projector is coffe table mounted or shelf mounted.

A ceiling mount setup for this screen negates the gain properties of the screen.

- Josh




Thanks for your reply Josh. It is great to know it is possible, however it concerns me that the GreyWolf may not be my best option because I will be mounting it overhead. Is there an alternative that is withing the same price range, but more appropriate gain for my setup? Or is it possible to still stick with the GreyWolf?

Thanks!

Thanks for your reply Josh. It is great to know it is possible, however it concerns me that the GreyWolf may not be my best option because I will be mounting it overhead. Is there an alternative that is withing the same price range, but more appropriate gain for my setup? Or is it possible to still stick with the GreyWolf?

Thanks!

It is definately still possible to use the screen, you'd just need to mount the projector closer to the screen.

As far as alternative screens, there really isn't any Gray colored screens in this price range. However a few ppl are starting to use the Da lite Model B Hi Power (aka HP) screens. Jason at AVS here quoted me at just above $200 for a 52" x 92" or 106" diagnal.

Granted this screen isn't a gray screen so the colors and black level boost you get with a gray screen doesn't happen with the HP screen. But you can counter this by using a lense filter.

- Josh

It is definately still possible to use the screen, you'd just need to mount the projector closer to the screen.

As far as alternative screens, there really isn't any Gray colored screens in this price range. However a few ppl are starting to use the Da lite Model B Hi Power (aka HP) screens. Jason at AVS here quoted me at just above $200 for a 52" x 92" or 106" diagnal.

Granted this screen isn't a gray screen so the colors and black level boost you get with a gray screen doesn't happen with the HP screen. But you can counter this by using a lense filter.

- Josh



Josh,

When you say "closer," do you mean how close the lens is from the screen (i.e. mounting it at say 12 feet from screen instead of 15) OR moving the projector down a bit vertically to center the lens with the screen as much as possible to get a better gain? Would both work, or just one of the two changes I just mentioned work independently?

Also, I guess I could find some sort of floor stand/shelf that sits the projector 5 feet off the floor and still shoots it from 15 to 17 feet just barley over the seating area if that is the only solution. Would this do the trick more efficiently and give me back a much higher gain since I will be sitting at about 3 1/2 feet on a sofa? In essence, I would be dropping the projector down at a 4 foot mount from the ceiling instead of a flush <1 foot mount.

Thanks for your helpful input! Kudos!

Josh,

When you say "closer," do you mean how close the lens is from the screen (i.e. mounting it at say 12 feet from screen instead of 15) OR moving the projector down a bit vertically to center the lens with the screen as much as possible to get a better gain? Would both work, or just one of the two changes I just mentioned work independently?

Moving the projector closer to the screen, IE shift the whole unit closer, as in 11 - 13 feet instead of 15 feet from the screen.

As far as moving it down vertically, I am not quite sure. I will leave that up to other ppl here, the only thing I can see as a down side would be hot spotting. But I could be wrong there.


Also, I guess I could find some sort of floor stand/shelf that sits the projector 5 feet off the floor and still shoots it from 15 to 17 feet just barley over the seating area if that is the only solution. Would this do the trick more efficiently and give me back a much higher gain since I will be sitting at about 3 1/2 feet on a sofa? In essence, I would be dropping the projector down at a 4 foot mount from the ceiling instead of a flush <1 foot mount.

Thanks for your helpful input! Kudos!

Again this isn't my main arena here, I am basically re-gergitating what i've read here, and some things I picked up along my expereinces with the screen.

Basicaly I have a Panny AE900, mounted at around 10' throw distance, 106" GW I screen, It works for what I need, not absolutely great but its awsome having a big screen and decent qualty.

What I notice is that the more I stand up, the brighter the image gets, so yes maybe if you mounted the projector lower you would increse the gain effectiveness of the screen.

Again I am not an expert at this by any means. But I hope that explains what I was saying before.

- Josh

You have been more than helpful Josh! I think I am going to try to find either a stand mount or highly adjustible ceiling mount to try and do the trick. I hope that sitting the projector at 5 feet from the floor and 15' - 17' back will render my setup effective, expecially for the 120" GW screen that I will likely be purchasing within the week.

Yes, you do want the GW to be mounted 'low', just above (and behind) the viewers heads, for optimal performance. It is a retro-reflective screen, just like the Da-lite HighPower, and its optimal location is the same.

FYI I contacted Optoma and they told me the Graywolf screen has no Optoma recommended methods for cleaning it.

I have an issue where there was something sprayed on part of my screen, seemed organic. Maybe one of the dogs shook his head & sprayed slime or maybe it was one of the kids having some kind of food fight.

So I tried the mild soap & water method.
This left a smudge.

So I tried the oxygen peroxide method.
Smudge still there.

Next I guess I'll try the "get a new screen" method.

Unless someone here has a better suggestion.

I'm picking up my new Panny AX100 next week, and I'm trying to decide if I should get a Greywolf sceen or not? The Panny is supposed to be very bright , but I will have it shelf mounted about 5.5 -6 feet off the floor and 16.5 feet from the screen. my seating will also be against the same wall that the projector is shelf mounted on, so i guess I have two questions, 1. will the combo of the Greywolf and the Panny be too bright? and 2. will the projector be too loud mounted about 2 feet above my head? Thanks in advance for any input

I'm picking up my new Panny AX100 next week, and I'm trying to decide if I should get a Greywolf sceen or not? The Panny is supposed to be very bright , but I will have it shelf mounted about 5.5 -6 feet off the floor and 16.5 feet from the screen. my seating will also be against the same wall that the projector is shelf mounted on, so i guess I have two questions, 1. will the combo of the Greywolf and the Panny be too bright? and 2. will the projector be too loud mounted about 2 feet above my head? Thanks in advance for any input


One thing thats nice will a birght setup is you can have more ambient light and not always have to have it dark.

Also you can also turn down the birghtness levels of the projector which in return will increase the bulb life.

So for the money and what you get out of the screen I'd say give it a try.

- Josh

I'm in the same situation, new panny projector on the way, already have the Graywolf I and wondering how much better the Graywolf II is...is this a slight or noticeable difference between the two?

Today I walked into a national Computer store here in the USA ;) and they had an unopended 92inch Graywolf 1 screen marked down to $98.00! The sticker on the box looked like they have had it since November 2005- no dents in the box at all. I'm hoping this one won't have the problems as the early ones have had. I was considering getting a new projector but I am going to try this out to see if it helps improve my 4 year old 400:1 XGA lcd projector (don't laugh it was the sh&t in 2002).

Scott

I was wondering is the screen transparent or solid? I was hoping that before I buy one can you put your center speaker behind the fabric to hear it like a real theatre or do you have to mount you speaker below or above the screen?

I was wondering is the screen transparent or solid? I was hoping that before I buy one can you put your center speaker behind the fabric to hear it like a real theatre or do you have to mount you speaker below or above the screen?

It's completely solid, your center channel would need to be mounted, as you say, above or below the screen.

Well...played with the Graywold last night. Not as huge a difference as I thought it would be over the HP. I had thought that it had the same retroreflective properties of the HP but during panning the waves in the GW where evident- this does not happen with the HP. I'll do more calibration tonight and report back.

Well...played with the Graywold last night. Not as huge a difference as I thought it would be over the HP. I had thought that it had the same retroreflective properties of the HP but during panning the waves in the GW where evident- this does not happen with the HP. I'll do more calibration tonight and report back.

There's not much of a difference in gain properties but you'll see better color's and black's with the graywolf. I find that that HP with out any lense filters produces a washed out image.

- Josh

I have 120" GWII. Is it safe to leave it pulled down all the time?

I have 120" GWII. Is it safe to leave it pulled down all the time?

Well, I've had my 106" GW I pulled down for about 1.5 years now and it hasn't burned down my house, given me herpes, or caused me to run with scissors....yet.

I have 120" GWII. Is it safe to leave it pulled down all the time?

mines (GWI) been pulled down since I bought...no problems here....been about 8 months

Okay, so in search for the best black levels, I blacked out my living room using black sheets on the walls and ceilings. This has definitely helped... but now would a GrayWolfII still be good for me, or should I just go and do a BlackOut cloth solution? I plan to get the Optoma HD73, a DC3 projector, ceiling mounted, and a 92" screen.

I may have missed it, because I skipped a few pages, but can someone please explain the differences between the GW and GWII ??

Also, FYI... I am still trying to decide between HCCV, GHawk, FHawk, or GWolfII.
All I have are samples, and with my projector shelf mounted right above my head, I'm still not getting enough uniformity from the FHawk!

I think it's because I'm projecting 100" and viewing from only 12ft or so. Cone is too small on these high gain greys! I fear the same problem with the GWII (sample is on it's way!).

I'm assuming the HCCV and GHawk compete (no gain, grey), while the GWolfII and FHawk compete (high gain retro-reflect, grey).
Correct?


Thank you much! :)

jberylec: The FH is angular-reflective, rather than retro. Therefore it is always recommended that the pj be ceiling mounted for it, and at a throw ratio >/= 1.6.

So with your pj mounted as you describe, the GW is a possibility, as is the Dalite HighPower.

jberylec: The FH is angular-reflective, rather than retro. Therefore it is always recommended that the pj be ceiling mounted for it, and at a throw ratio >/= 1.6.

So with your pj mounted as you describe, the GW is a possibility, as is the Dalite HighPower.

Oh the FH is angular?! That's good news kind of... I was getting worried I was seeing things while trying to figure out why it looked so good in some spots and so poor in others! Too bad I can't use it, cause it's hot :)

And the HP is out of the question for me, it kills the blacks and washes out colors in my environment.

Now I'm really excited to receive the GWII sample! I think I've finally narrowed down my search to GWII, HCCV, or GreyHawk :D

Thank you for the info!! I'm still looking to learn the differences between GW and GWII... anyone?...

Oh the FH is angular?! That's good news kind of... I was getting worried I was seeing things while trying to figure out why it looked so good in some spots and so poor in others! Too bad I can't use it, cause it's hot :)

And the HP is out of the question for me, it kills the blacks and washes out colors in my environment.

Now I'm really excited to receive the GWII sample! I think I've finally narrowed down my search to GWII, HCCV, or GreyHawk :D

Thank you for the info!! I'm still looking to learn the differences between GW and GWII... anyone?...

I believe its how they did the glass beading on the screen to reduce "sparklies" I could be wrong but I thought thats what the difference was.

I have a GWI and I love it, though I love it because I bought it used for $100, and the guy delivered it to my home.

But if your doing a shelf mount I thing the GWII will be a good choice for you, plus man its cheap!!!

- Josh

Can the graywolf II screen lock where the top of the black border is 2" from the case and not the full 12"?

I believe its how they did the glass beading on the screen to reduce "sparklies" I could be wrong but I thought thats what the difference was.

I have a GWI and I love it, though I love it because I bought it used for $100, and the guy delivered it to my home.

But if your doing a shelf mount I thing the GWII will be a good choice for you, plus man its cheap!!!
- Josh

Thank you for the info. Not so cheap for me, cause I'm going the fixed frame route. Still cheaper than most others, but it's not a $100 steal like you got ;)

Anyone here get the fixed frame? How's the build quality? The velvet? etc...

Thanks in advance :)

Thank you for the info. Not so cheap for me, cause I'm going the fixed frame route. Still cheaper than most others, but it's not a $100 steal like you got ;)

Anyone here get the fixed frame? How's the build quality? The velvet? etc...

Thanks in advance :)

Where are you finding a fixed frame GWII?

- Josh

Where are you finding a fixed frame GWII?

- Josh

Their webiste! ;)
http://www.optomausa.com/store_projectorscreen_detail.asp?product_series=projector%20 screen%20-%20fixed-frame

I just put in an order for a fixed frame 106" Graywolf II. If anyone has this screen I'd love to hear your opinion on it. I got the screen to go with my PT-AX100U and I cant wait for delivery.

The build quality seems low compared to other screens, cheaper materials thinner metals and more plastic. But I don't plan on hanging from the screen so I doubt thats a problem.

I purchased the screen after I saw a Stewart Firehawk at Magnolia. I came away less than impressed with it. The image was very washed out in limited ambient light. I felt my Projector had more contrast on white walls.

the biggest complaint I have with the GW screens is the waves, but if your getting the fixed frame that will fix any of the issues with the screen. I am in the process of building my own frame for my pull down GW I screen.

going off of these instructions:
http://www.b-adeals.com/ProductScreenFreeFrameInstructions.htm

should be able to build the whole frame for under $30 which aint a bad deal at all.

I love the graywolf because the black levels and colors it produces. The only other downside is that if you do a ceiling mount setup its not the most ideal setup for it. Shelf mounted or coffee table mount is the best setup for this screen.

But for the money you can't beat its performance and picture quality.

Well I have been reading this thread, as many pages as i could get though. And was wondering what your opinions are on a ceiling mounted HD70 with a grey wolf screen. This obviously an entry level setup, just trying to make sure I spend the money wisely :D

Here is my planned set up (nothing purchased yet but it is wife approved!):

optoma - DE-GWII9092E 92" diagnol electric screen
viewing 12 feet from screen (give or take)
projector 10.5 to 11.5' from screen ceiling mount (80" to 90" off floor)
projector HD70

from what i have seen the offset will be around 14 to 15 inches which sounds to me like it will work out perfect but im a newbie!
I have full control over lighting so the room will most likely be blacked out for movie watching, but I am hoping for the ability to watch movies with some ambient light.
Also, has anyone tried a center speaker behind these screens? I know they are not accoustically transparent, just curious.

Can the graywolf II screen lock where the top of the black border is 2" from the case and not the full 12"?

I have the 92" pull-down graywolf II. It can lock in positions other than the full 12".

It will lock at 3.5" - that is the closest I could get it.

Well I have been reading this thread, as many pages as i could get though. And was wondering what your opinions are on a ceiling mounted HD70 with a grey wolf screen. This obviously an entry level setup, just trying to make sure I spend the money wisely :D

Here is my planned set up (nothing purchased yet but it is wife approved!):

optoma - DE-GWII9092E 92" diagnol electric screen
viewing 12 feet from screen (give or take)
projector 10.5 to 11.5' from screen ceiling mount (80" to 90" off floor)
projector HD70

from what i have seen the offset will be around 14 to 15 inches which sounds to me like it will work out perfect but im a newbie!
I have full control over lighting so the room will most likely be blacked out for movie watching, but I am hoping for the ability to watch movies with some ambient light.
Also, has anyone tried a center speaker behind these screens? I know they are not accoustically transparent, just curious.



All the GW screens are retro reflective screens, meaning that the gain properties of the screen will only with work coffee table and shelf mounted setups. If your doing a ceiling mount you won't get the full gain properties out of the screen.

I am doing a ceiling mount myself, with a Panny AE900 and I love it, I know its not perfect or the absolute best it can be, but its good for me.

If you spending the money for a electric screen, I'd honestly say look somewhere else, my opinion is that these screens are great for the beginner in the manual form but if your going the extra mile spending on a electric screen, the GW might not be the league of screen your looking for, again this is just my opinion and you can take that with a grain of salt.

But how I look at these screens, are they are a great "budget" gray screen. You won't find a screen that will give you the colors, black levels, and gain properties as the graywolf.

and if your dong a ceiling mount, you could, to get back some of the gain properties is use a pipe extension and move the projector closer to the floor, the more even you have the projector with the center/lower center of the screen you'll get back more of the gain properties back.

Also you will hate the center speaker behind this screen, it'll kill your audio quality totally.

finally I have a ceiling mount, which defeats the gain properties of the screen an I am still fully able to watch tv, and football games in a lot of ambient light with no issues was so ever.

so take this info however you want, but know that I think the only way this screen is worth it, is in manual pull down form, trust me, when you get this setup, you'll find that you'll end up keeping it down all the time and wonder why you got the electric motor for it.

- Josh

Thanks for the info Josh.
I think in my situation I have to do a ceiling mount. The table idea wont fly with my wife, and Im not wild about it either. Extending it from the ceiling may work, but I have the problem of my seating area and the projector being at almost the same spot. So Im not sure that will work either. I do want an electric screen but am always up for a good compromise. Would I be better off with a white screen with around the same gain? I understand this is a bright projector and I want the best image I can afford. That said for the $500 or so I was willing to spend on the GW electric and suggestion on how i might better spend it?

I have seen some VERY cheap deals on Ebay and was curious if anyone has any experience with those screens? Here is one that sounds too good to be true.
Saaria® Ultra Matt White ™ 92" diag with IR remote and 1.3 gain on a white matte screen. Will I loose more quality moving to a white screen then if I stay with my plans of a GW and a ceiling mount setup? Maybe a white screen and a lense filter?

I wouldn't go with a white screen at all becuase of the lack of black levels, and the colors look washed out.

I an not extreamly familair with this screen:

http://www.visualapex.com/accessories/accessory_details.asp?chPartNumber=R106H1&MFR=Elite&Type=Screens

but it might be a good option as its a gray screen but I am not sure if its a retro reflective screen like the GW is, if its not, it'd be great for ceiling mount setups.

- Josh

Thanks for the feedback. I will probally go with the GW and play with the projector height till I'm happy. By the way I checked out your HT very nicely done, looks similar to the space I will be working with, hopefully in a few months (project starts in january) I'll have some pics to share :)

Thanks for the feedback. I will probally go with the GW and play with the projector height till I'm happy. By the way I checked out your HT very nicely done, looks similar to the space I will be working with, hopefully in a few months (project starts in january) I'll have some pics to share :)

Thanks the room isn't anything spectacular compared to most ppl's setups here, but it gets the job done.

- Josh

I wouldn't go with a white screen at all becuase of the lack of black levels, and the colors look washed out.
I an not extreamly familair with this screen:

http://www.visualapex.com/accessories/accessory_details.asp?chPartNumber=R106H1&MFR=Elite&Type=Screens

but it might be a good option as its a gray screen but I am not sure if its a retro reflective screen like the GW is, if its not, it'd be great for ceiling mount setups.
- Josh

The screen you linked to is the Elite HCG. It doesn't have any reflective issues, and has a very very wide viewing cone. Simply because it doesnt have positive gain like the Gray Wolf.

I actually highly recommend the Elite HCG because it's only a fraction of the cost of a Stewart GreyHawk! And they compare very nicely :)

I found that the Optoma Gray Wolf has too much gain, making the image brightness less uniform from different angles/seating positions. I had to rule it out for my environment, it just wouldnt work unfortunetly :(

do they make the Elite in a manual pulldown, meaning a cheaper version of it?

- Josh

do they make the Elite in a manual pulldown, meaning a cheaper version of it?
- Josh

While I know fixed frames wont fit in everyones space, if you're already considering the cheapest fixed frame (Elite) which is not much more expensive than other brand's pull downs... I strongly suggest staying away from the manual pulldown. What I mean is, don't try to save even more dough just by going with a pull down. They develop ripples and/or waves. Most people can see those in the image.

Stick with tensioned, or fixed frame. My .02
That said, yes they make a pull down. Here is their stuff: http://www.elitescreens.com/homecinema.html

Enough on that topic though, before we get in trouble ;) After all, this IS the Gray Wolf thread :D

I'm considering 106" motorized GW II, but a bit worried about its retro-reflective properties. I'll be "shelf" mounting the projector about 8 ft off the floor (so its more like a ceiling mount) about 20 ft from the screen, with the lens being about 8-10" above the top of the screen. The seating position is 20 ft from the screen (right below the pj). Is there any info available for this screen about how much gain "loss" results from mounting the projector above the screen. I'm looking for at least 1.3-1.4 gain on the screen.

Is anybody using this screen in a similar setup. If so, please let me know how much difference do you notice between the optimal and your actual viewing position.

I just got and assembled my 106" Optima Grayewolf 2 fixed frame screen. I bought the screen in its fixed frame form. Here are a few thoughts.

Wow! this is a huge step up from my white walls. The material works great with my PT-AX100U. Whites are pure and very bright. Blacks are dramatically improved. My wife can read with lights on while I watch a movie. As I said earlier I got the screen after being very unimpressed by Stewart and Screen Technologies gray screen, which I saw at Magnolia. The Graywolf screen with my projector is easily better, by a lot. Enough that I'm thinking there must have been a problem with the setup at Magnolia.

Now for the things I don’t like.

All those posts about the poor packaging are very true. Please believe those posts. I got the box with one end open and parts falling out. Optimum needs to address this. It is bad enough that I would not ever order from them again. Lucky for me there was only one very small dent on a corner piece which does not bother me enough to warrant a return. Also at some point the baggy of screws got opened but nothing fell out.

Assembly on this screen is an absolute nightmare. You can download the "assembly instructions" (I reccommend you do this before you order) which illustrate the tensioning system. The problems here relate to warping of the frame as you try - sweet falling from your brow - to get even tension around the whole screen. It takes several attempts and the tension must be very minimal or the frame will twist out of shape.

Next don’t forget to put in the nuts before you complete putting the frame together, or you'll have to break it down and reassemble like me.

The frame itself is very light and sturdy, it feels well made. There is spray coating of velvet like material on its surface. It does and very good job of soaking up the light spill. It is not a fabric covering though and is easily scratched revealing the aluminum frame beneath.

Surprisingly the plastic elbow joints which join the frame together are very solid. Think Glock style plastic. I have no concern there.

The hanging system sucks. The screws can easily rip the screen material. Terrible design. Plus there is no bottom frame mounting so a 106” screen will never really be flush mounted to all but the most perfectly flat walls. The bottom of the frame hangs loose, and only two screws are used to hold the top of the screen to the wall.



So minor gripes:
Corners do not meet flush, there is a very small gap.
Very SHARP cut your fingers edges.
Poor quality plastic protectors for back of frame one broke during assembly.

Here’s my main gripe. The stitches on the left edge and bottom edge of on the screen itself are visible and not hidden behind the frame borders. This does not really show up though after you turn on your projector… still I think it’s very unacceptable. By adding another 1 inch of material to the top and bottom Optima could resolve this problem.

As good as the picture looks, I would not buy this screen fixed frame again.

I just got and assembled my 106" Optima Grayewolf 2 fixed frame screen. I bought the screen in its fixed frame form. Here are a few thoughts.

Wow! this is a huge step up from my white walls. The material works great with my PT-AX100U. Whites are pure and very bright. Blacks are dramatically improved. My wife can read with lights on while I watch a movie. As I said earlier I got the screen after being very unimpressed by Stewart and Screen Technologies gray screen, which I saw at Magnolia. The Graywolf screen with my projector is easily better, by a lot. Enough that I'm thinking there must have been a problem with the setup at Magnolia.

Now for the things I don’t like.

All those posts about the poor packaging are very true. Please believe those posts. I got the box with one end open and parts falling out. Optimum needs to address this. It is bad enough that I would not ever order from them again. Lucky for me there was only one very small dent on a corner piece which does not bother me enough to warrant a return. Also at some point the baggy of screws got opened but nothing fell out.

Assembly on this screen is an absolute nightmare. You can download the "assembly instructions" (I reccommend you do this before you order) which illustrate the tensioning system. The problems here relate to warping of the frame as you try - sweet falling from your brow - to get even tension around the whole screen. It takes several attempts and the tension must be very minimal or the frame will twist out of shape.

Next don’t forget to put in the nuts before you complete putting the frame together, or you'll have to break it down and reassemble like me.

The frame itself is very light and sturdy, it feels well made. There is spray coating of velvet like material on its surface. It does and very good job of soaking up the light spill. It is not a fabric covering though and is easily scratched revealing the aluminum frame beneath.

Surprisingly the plastic elbow joints which join the frame together are very solid. Think Glock style plastic. I have no concern there.

The hanging system sucks. The screws can easily rip the screen material. Terrible design. Plus there is no bottom frame mounting so a 106” screen will never really be flush mounted to all but the most perfectly flat walls. The bottom of the frame hangs loose, and only two screws are used to hold the top of the screen to the wall.



So minor gripes:
Corners do not meet flush, there is a very small gap.
Very SHARP cut your fingers edges.
Poor quality plastic protectors for back of frame one broke during assembly.

Here’s my main gripe. The stitches on the left edge and bottom edge of on the screen itself are visible and not hidden behind the frame borders. This does not really show up though after you turn on your projector… still I think it’s very unacceptable. By adding another 1 inch of material to the top and bottom Optima could resolve this problem.

As good as the picture looks, I would not buy this screen fixed frame again.

I was thinking of buying this as a first screen. Good idea or bad idea? any other suggestions?

I think it’s a great screen. You're paying three times as much for an image which is IMHO comparable with Stewart and the other "serious" screens. Remember it's not like your watching A/B comparisons at home. So much of what we see is relative anyway. My perception is that first and most important, my wife can use enough light to read while I watch TV on the projector. Even darkish content shows up well. So from this perspective the Graywolf is the right screen for me.

I would stay far away from the fixed frame version. It does look good and no waves for me. But the build quality and assembly in particular are so poor that it should bring terrible shame to Optima. I'm talking about interdepartmental meetings with pointed fingers shame. The screen parts taken individualy are well made, but they do not fit together correctly. Putting this screen together was a brute force exercise. Still nothing fits quite right. Sure you don’t notice from 12ft back, but I'm still annoyed and you will be too.

I think if Optima put another $10 per unit into better packing and parts finishing they would have a gold standard product. Instead they have junk.

You might consider giving the Costco (those suckers will take anything back) Graywolf pull down screen a shot. It's also allot cheaper. If you don’t like it you can take it back... unlike me.

Hey guys,

I currently have the Optoma HD6800 bundle package (92'' graywolf II + mount) from Costco.ca which I bought for $1745 including taxes + delivery. Anyways.... I have a unit with the dreaded whine sound & I'm considering my options. I would like to buy the Panny PT-AX100 when it comes down in price in Canada.... meaning I would need another screen because I would have to return everything back to Costco. (or I could sell the screen, mount & proj. seperately on ebay) Anyways... If I purchase the Panny I would like a larger screen because I will have many more mounting options due to the easy placement of the AX100. (not ceiling mounting) Where can I get the cheapest 106'' or 120'' graywolf II from Canada?? I don't want to deal with deadly brokerage fees etc. that comes with buying across the border. I was wondering if I could make a deal with Costco & trade my 92'' + cash for a 120'' but I doubt this is possible.

Please PM me if you know where to buy a graywolf II cheap in Canada.

Any thoughts appreciated...

Thanks.

http://www.eastporters.com/estore/cart.php?page=screens
These 1.8 gain are the same screen fabric as the Graywolf II (I was told anyways) Great customer service and good return policy. Cheap too!! :)

http://www.costco.ca/en-CA/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10295736&whse=BCCA&topnav=&browse=

Costco.ca also sells them to. The price just when up $ 30.00 on the 120 inch today. Rats!!

Costco only sells 92 and 120 inch too. I want 106 inch so I'm going to try out eastporters.

hmm, where did you hear that these are the same as the GW's?

hmm, where did you hear that these are the same as the GW's?


Eastporters sales person.

I read somewhere that the material is out of the same factory so I asked the sales person. I guess he could be lying? I'm trying to decide between this and a Da-lite High Power for my new AX-100? I have ambient light issues and can't decide between bright and Gray (GW) and just really really bright with the HP. Which is better for a living room HTPC?

Those screens use exactly the same frameing system as the Graywolf II fixed frame rig I've been complaining about. See my earlier posts. Same instruction manual, parts etc. I suppose they could be using a different fabric, but i doubt that's the case.

Here are a few shots I took of my GWII.

http://www.goodbyeamerica.org/graywolf_II/DSC1022.jpg

http://www.goodbyeamerica.org/graywolf_II/DSC1024.jpg

http://www.goodbyeamerica.org/graywolf_II/DSC1027.jpg

Im sure that the EluneVision screens from eastporters are the same frame if not materials. Check Optimas site for their user manual. Compare that manual with EluneVision and the only difference is the cover.

The thread on EluneVision has alot more on these screens: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=648951&page=4&pp=30

I have a 92" GW which I really love except for the texture (BTW I have a Panny 900). The sparklies and waves don't bother me too much but the texture is really annoying, to the point that it will distract me from the movie I am watching. So would the GWII be better (much better?). Any other + or - compared to the GW (is the real gain the same - the specs say it is but I read that GWII has in fact less)? The upgrade would cost me around $100 so I am trying to find out if it is worth it.

Thanks

I have a new Elunevision 106" pull down screen from Eastporters, and was told it was the same unit as the GWII. After looking at pictures of the GWII, I would agree, it looks identical.

This is a new model, that is not actually listed on their website. I have a PTAX100 which will be ceiling mounted soon, and am not sure I'm going to keep this screen ort send it back?

After reading 60 some pages of GW info, I'm worried that my ceiling mount may not be the best application for this screen.

Anyway, just thought I would add my 2 cents to anyone looking to buy this screen from Eastporters.....so far, my experience has been positive. Given that this model is not listed on their site, I don't imagine too many people are going to be looking for it though.

The screen shipped fast, arrived without a mark, and while testing it with my projector slightly above eye level, the image is pretty stunning. The whites seem to sparkle sometimes, and this I'm not 100% used to. The good news is that most movies aren't overwhelmed with extended bright white scenes.

CHIA

I got a free screen today from optoma its model # DS-9092PM, i dont think its a greywolf 2, i'm at work so i cant open the box here.
I saw there selling it on compusa's site for $79.
Did i get a crummy screen?

I have 120" GWII. Is it safe to leave it pulled down all the time?

I leave my 92" GWII pulled down for days at a time, but give then the posts above about the dog/child slime and no manufacturer-sanctioned method for cleaning it, one should consider their own surface exposure risks.

My unfortunate exposure was with a Da-Lite Cosmopolitan Electrol (the nice tensioned electric one) that hangs above and rolls out over the GWII case. I left it open for a few days this summer during a heat wave. The black "Gray Wolf" lettering on the GWII case transferred to the back of the Da-Lite screen, which then promptly transferred it to the front of the screen after I rolled it up. Also the two bottom corners of the Da-Lite were touching the raised ends of a black lacquer cabinet (this is all in the living room), and black lacquer in the shape of the cabinet is melted onto the two bottom corners!

Haven't had any accidents with leaving the GWII down yet. Fortunately I really just use the GWII now, and the Da-Late matte white surface was already in mediocre shape with visible cleaning swirls. I was only keeping the Da-Lite in the hopes of eventually getting new screen material for the motorized casing.

I have a Graywolf 1 92" and was always wished that the texture was a bit better, only really notice it on bright scenes but anyway I just learned of the Graywolf 2 (been away from board for a bit) and was wondering if anyone had any pics comparing the 2 ?

It would really help me out.
Thanks

no help ? :(

I'm currently using a infocus 4805 and thinking about upgrading to an Optoma HD70 but I'm rethinking as of late.

Can Someone help with the differences between the Graywolf 1 and 2 using a 4805 ceiling mounted.

Thanks

okay. have the graywolf 106" with Optoma H78 for almost a year. dimming of bulb is getting to me and ceiling mounted PJ isn't helping.

What can I do to get more light from the screen? Picture is pretty much where I want it positionally. If I tilt the PJ down a bit and then use horizontal lens movement to move the picture up on the screen (to be where it is now) does this do anything??

okay. have the graywolf 106" with Optoma H78 for almost a year. dimming of bulb is getting to me and ceiling mounted PJ isn't helping.

What can I do to get more light from the screen? Picture is pretty much where I want it positionally. If I tilt the PJ down a bit and then use horizontal lens movement to move the picture up on the screen (to be where it is now) does this do anything??

No the ONLY way to get more reflective gain properties is to have the projector coffee table setup or get an extension pole and drop the height of the projector the closer to your head or lower the projector is the more gain properties you will get out of the setup.

If you stand up you'll notice the image gets brighter and thats becuase with this screen the brightness is reflected back to the same point where the light is coming from, IE the ceiling located where the projector is mounted, so the closer the projector is your your eye level the brighter the image is going to be.

- Josh

I ordered a GW II manual pulldown screen as part of the deal Costco offered a couple of weeks ago. I'd like to get the best possible performance out of my screen, and according to posters in this forum, one of the biggest obstacles to achieving that goal will be contending with the screen's tendency to create waves.

How can I get around this? Are there any methods for eliminating image-distorting waves in the GW II?

I ordered a GW II manual pulldown screen as part of the deal Costco offered a couple of weeks ago. I'd like to get the best possible performance out of my screen, and according to posters in this forum, one of the biggest obstacles to achieving that goal will be contending with the screen's tendency to create waves.

How can I get around this? Are there any methods for eliminating image-distorting waves in the GW II?

take the screen out of the housing and mount it to your own custom built frame.

- Josh

Is that really the only way? I'd prefer to keep it in the housing so that it could be rolled up after use.

How prominent are the image problems, anyway? If they aren't very distracting, I may not do anything about it.

Is that really the only way? I'd prefer to keep it in the housing so that it could be rolled up after use.

How prominent are the image problems, anyway? If they aren't very distracting, I may not do anything about it.

well if you watch alot of things with panning/scrolling video IE Nascar or CNN then you've got nothing to worry about.

- Josh

OK I have a Sony VPL-HS51 projector in a controlled light, black ceiling, black carpet, brown walled dedicated home theatre. I have been reading the posts about the Graywolf II screens, and am thinking the DFGWII9106F fixed frame version may be a good option / sounds like an almost Firehawk at a better value. A couple of questions:

Does anybody have this screen in a similar setup? If so, how do you feel about screen brightness in the darkened room -- is the gray too dark / better off with matte white?

In cinema mode, the Sony doesn't throw a lot of light. This isn't a problem on my homemade flat white job with the door closed -- but door open with some ambient light and you start to loose detail. (This is why I am looking for a screen with a higher gain.)

Is the screen cleanable if my kids get popcorn hands on it?

well depending on your throw distance and all that you might experience "hot spotting" "sparklies" and all the usual with the screen that everyone else see's.

Not to mention the texture, thats my biggest complaint with this screen, is the texture. I'd go for a screen with gain, and one with smooth texture over the GW any day of the week.

- Josh

OK I have a Sony VPL-HS51 projector in a controlled light, black ceiling, black carpet, brown walled dedicated home theatre. I have been reading the posts about the Graywolf II screens, and am thinking the DFGWII9106F fixed frame version may be a good option / sounds like an almost Firehawk at a better value. A couple of questions:

Does anybody have this screen in a similar setup? If so, how do you feel about screen brightness in the darkened room -- is the gray too dark / better off with matte white?

In cinema mode, the Sony doesn't throw a lot of light. This isn't a problem on my homemade flat white job with the door closed -- but door open with some ambient light and you start to loose detail. (This is why I am looking for a screen with a higher gain.)

Is the screen cleanable if my kids get popcorn hands on it?

i have a manual pull down graywolf ii (106").

Screen brightness in a darkened room is fantastic. I've only used this screen, but I'd think it would be brighter than a 0 gain matte white.

the screen is NOT cleanable. Looks like if you tried to clean it, you'd clean the beads off.

I have no waves, no sparkles, no hot spots, no complaints. The viewing cone for this is more than perfect in my 14 foot wide room, even sitting on the edges at about 8-10 feet from the screen.

I do have my projector mounted on a stand at 2 feet high, so I think that helps the gain significantly.

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I do have my projector mounted on a stand at 2 feet high, so I think that helps the gain significantly.


yes the lower the the floor or closer to eye level your projector is, the more gain properties you get.

- Josh

I just found a nasty little scratch on my screen. I think my daughter or one of her friends put in there. It looks like a nail scratched across the screen and took some of the glass beads with it. Anyone know of a way to fix this?
The scratch if barely visible on its own but when the projector is on.....you CANT miss it!!

I just found a nasty little scratch on my screen. I think my daughter or one of her friends put in there. It looks like a nail scratched across the screen and took some of the glass beads with it. Anyone know of a way to fix this?
The scratch if barely visible on its own but when the projector is on.....you CANT miss it!!

Sorry to say but no. there is no way to fix it. Only way is to replace the screen.

- Josh

Costco Canada have a sweet deal right now
http://www.costco.ca/en-CA/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10290871
For 1899$ CND, it come with:
-Optoma HD6800 (HD72 clone) PJ
-Optoma GreyWolf II 92" pull-down screen
-DVI-to-DVI 5m cable
-Ceiling mount (look's like OEM Optoma mount on picture but text don't mention it)
-Shipping & Handling included

But there's one thing I don't understand here :confused:

After all I've read on the Optoma GreyWolf-II screen, it seems that ceiling mount PJ really don't work great because of the retro-reflective of the screen, most of the brightness is reflected back to the light source, which means up the ceiling mounted PJ, and not to the seated folks on the ground.

I've done my homework thus... I did made the maths according the the HD72 owner's manual for optimal position of the setup according to my room.

At 12' PJ distance for a 92" screen, a "very flush" mount would start to project at around 16" below ceiling. Counting the screen 12" black drop and 4" casing, I could mount the screen at the very top of the wall.

But I don't want that right because of the Grey-Wolf screen, I would need to suspend the PJ as low as possible, so light will reflect back to a lower point above ground (and also not to have the neck always toward up anyway).

I also have another issue which is the screen will indeed block one of my basement window when pull-down, which mean I cannot attach the screen casing below 12" from ceiling.

So, with a 96" ceiling (8'), here's what I've figured out:

-PJ distance will be at 144" (12''), let's call it D

-PJ will be suspended 84" above ground (12" from ceiling), let's call it P

-Screen image will project from 24" up to 68" above ground (44" screen height)
--Screen total height is 44", let's call it SH
---So center of the screen image will be at 46" above ground, let's call it SC

-Audience eyes (mine and girlfriend) will be at about 36" to 48" above ground (sitting on a futon)
---So average eyes height will be at 42" above ground, let's call it E

Calculation would be made with a free trigonometry calculator :p
http://www.carbidedepot.com/formulas-trigright.asp

Roughly, it give me a vertical reflexion angle of 75° from light source to eyes...

I know the GreyWolf II specs a 100° viewing angle but how in reality it will affect my cinematic experience? I also want to point out this will be an HTPC driven which I also want to play PC games on it...

Oh and the room will be black-out during movie and little dimmed light on me for PC gaming...

Should I get the Costco deal and give it a try first... and if I'm not happy sell the 92" Grey Wolf II screen and get a 106" matt white one instead? (why not a Mustang/Elite VMAX motorized :p )

Should I get the Costco deal and give it a try first... and if I'm not happy sell the 92" Grey Wolf II screen and get a 106" matt white one instead? (why not a Mustang/Elite VMAX motorized :p )

Yes. :)

You cant make a mistake with Costco ;)

But your right, with a retro reflective screen it needs the projector as close to eye level as possible. Makes a big difference. I think your plan has it too high. It will look much better standing up than sitting down :)

It's really not the best projector for a retro screen, if you want the full retro effect.


The best projectors for a retro screen are the ones that can be placed below the top of the screen. Look at the 7100 package too.

If your interested in the motorized 106" GWII then check out Circuit City's web.
Pretty good price, I have not found better, it almost looks like a mistake if you compare to the manual GWII prizing.
I just bought one for my new HD1000U, picked up in-store so no shipping.

As mentioned above, Circuit City's web price for the Graywolf II 106 electric is $499 right now. I picked mine up at the store as well. I also bought the Optoma HD 72 online for $1849 - $400 rebate = $1449.

So under $2000 for the whole set up. I will ceiling mount the PJ, but must admit, after reading this post, I am a little worried about this combo.

Blaine

I have pretty much the same setup (HD72, 92" Greywolf II) ceiling mounted to about a 7' ceiling and it looks terrific. Sure, it looks a bit brighter when you stand up due to the screens retroreflective nature, but it still looks amazing from the seating area. I wouldn't worry too much.

Speaking of Circuit City - they have a $150 rebate on the 120" graywolf II. Sale ends Friday or Saturday. Looks like they may have bumped the screen price up $100 but still with the rebate, that's a $50 savings.

I jumped on it this morning.

I have pretty much the same setup (HD72, 92" Greywolf II) ceiling mounted to about a 7' ceiling and it looks terrific. Sure, it looks a bit brighter when you stand up due to the screens retroreflective nature, but it still looks amazing from the seating area. I wouldn't worry too much.Great to know... I've just ordered the Costco deal with HD6800 and GWII 92"... the PJ should also be mount at around 7' on my setup... I'll see how it goes with the GWII and if I'm not enough happy with, I will get a 100" matt white Elite VMAX motorised at TigerDirect.

I'll let you know my tought and post pictures once the setup is done ;)

I have a 92" GW which I really love except for the texture (BTW I have a Panny 900). The sparklies and waves don't bother me too much but the texture is really annoying, to the point that it will distract me from the movie I am watching. So would the GWII be better (much better?). Any other + or - compared to the GW (is the real gain the same - the specs say it is but I read that GWII has in fact less)? The upgrade would cost me around $100 so I am trying to find out if it is worth it.

Thanks

I was using a 92 " Graywolf 1 with my table mounted Optoma DV10 but replaced it yesterday with a Graywolf II. There is a significant difference with the GW II. The picture quality is much better. It's a lot brighter and the colors are much more vibrant. Put it this way, the difference to me was so noticeable that is felt like I went from watching standard resolution to watching high def. Yes, that's how much of a difference I seen. I haven't been able to stop watching movies. That's how happy and impressed I am. So, all I can say is if it's only gonna cost you $100 to upgrade do it. I don't think you'll be disappointed. However, keep in mind that they do say that having the projector on a coffee table or floor mounted will give you a little more gain thus maybe the reason I'm getting such a fantastic picture? All I can say is I'm one happy puppy right now!

I just replaced my 92" GWII with a Matte White 1.0 Gain and it was the best move I could have made.


Anyone in the NYC area need a 92" GWII Manual Pulldown in mint condition? PM Me!

I just replaced my 92" GWII with a Matte White 1.0 Gain and it was the best move I could have made.


Anyone in the NYC area need a 92" GWII Manual Pulldown in mint condition? PM Me!

What projector are you using, why is the matte white better?

HD70 Ceiling mounted.


Since I've been a PJ owner, I have learned from experience and alot of reading on these forums that it all depends on the environment.

I have a 100% Light controlled room with Red walls... my projector is ceiling mounted. When I first got my setup, it looked phenomenal, despite all the advice I read about how the GWII was not ideal for a ceiling mounted setup.... well... no soon as my bulb went through a slight dimming phase, I immediatly realized why the GWII was no longer ideal for my setup.

I think it's a great screen.... but for my setup, the Matte White blows it away. It's brighter than the GWII ever was in my application.... infact I had to restore the PJ to the low bright settings and tone down the Black & White levels alot to accomodate the new screen.... the color "white" is no longer gray... and the overall color representation is much more pleasing to my eyes. (oh... and no more fuzzy picture texture!)

Overall, it is excellent.

HD70 Ceiling mounted.


Since I've been a PJ owner, I have learned from experience and alot of reading on these forums that it all depends on the environment.

I have a 100% Light controlled room with Red walls... my projector is ceiling mounted. When I first got my setup, it looked phenomenal, despite all the advice I read about how the GWII was not ideal for a ceiling mounted setup.... well... no soon as my bulb went through a slight dimming phase, I immediatly realized why the GWII was no longer ideal for my setup.

I think it's a great screen.... but for my setup, the Matte White blows it away. It's brighter than the GWII ever was in my application.... infact I had to restore the PJ to the low bright settings and tone down the Black & White levels alot to accomodate the new screen.... the color "white" is no longer gray... and the overall color representation is much more pleasing to my eyes. (oh... and no more fuzzy picture texture!)

Overall, it is excellent.


You hit the nail right on the head. It all depends on your enviroment. I am using a tabletop Optoma DV10 thus the reason I'm seeing such great results from the
GW II. From what I hear the results will not be as good when using a ceiling mounted projector thus the reason you probably noticed your picture got dimmer when using the GW II? However, I'm glad your getting satisfying results with your Matte White screen.

Yeah, after trying a cheap 96" Matte White screen and returning it because it looked too bright (when I first set up my PJ), I bought and returned the 96" GW1, the 106" GW2, and bought a 106" HP. I also got an 80" Matte White Dalite for the RV (sitting 8 feet away) and I like the Matte White better than any of the others. I put a filter on my Panny ae900U to improve the black levels, so now it looks much better with the Matte White screen. The HP washes out really bad when I turn on a lamp near my chair - much worse than the Matte White did. If I had it to do over, I probably would have gotten a 106" Matte White for the house, too (with the filtered PJ).

I sold my GWI & got a Dalite HP. Huge improvement. You get even higher gain than the GW plus the screen texture is smooth. No more dingy, dirty-looking bright or white scenes. I got a standard model B pull-down & it's a perfect fit in the same spots where I had hung my GWI 106".

I couldn't stand the sparklies and texture from the GW screens (even GW2). I agree the HP is much brighter (106" model B), smoother and less wavey, but it seems to wash out more than GW or Matte White with a lamp next to my chair, even with a scarf over the shade to block most of the light from the screen. Also, the blacks aren't nearly as dark with the HP screen, even with no ambient lighting.

I couldn't stand the sparklies and texture from the GW screens (even GW2). I agree the HP is much brighter (106" model B), smoother and less wavey, but it seems to wash out more than GW or Matte White with a lamp next to my chair, even with a scarf over the shade to block most of the light from the screen. Also, the blacks aren't nearly as dark with the HP screen, even with no ambient lighting.


I did notice a few sparklies on my Graywolf 1 but I have not seen a single one on my Graywolf 2. I guess I got lucky?

I just returned my 120" graywolf and will be ordering an HP this week. I've got a 106" graywolf that I'm overall very happy with, except for the size. But the 120" had a defect (lines in the screen that were only visible from my seated position, but really annoying).

But the main thing I was unhappy with the 120 for - I could really see the texture. It was very distracting. I didn't notice it nearly as much on the 106, but I still noticed it. Dark and/or colorful scenes don't present a problem, but bright and or whiter scenes - the texture always took me out of the immersion feeling I was looking for. I spent more time looking at the screen rather than watching material.

I hoping I'll be happy with the HP.

The defect I mentioned -

Reading back through this thread, it's like one of the posts on the first page - I think the plastic covering the screen is what caused the lines on the screen.

I saw discoloration on the top 6-8" of my HP screen, so I washed off some adhesive from the plastic film that is apparently used for protecting the screen during transporting. The discoloration was gone. I don't know how you can safetly clean a GW screen, as it is not smooth like the HP.

My primary complaint about the HP is the blacks are not very dark, and despite claims to the contrary, it does reflect ambient lighting and wash out - even lighting from the sides. I don't understand why people say it doesn't. At least I don't notice the waves, which are very visible and common on the GW.

I might have done better with a Dalite Matte White, like I have in my RV. No texture or sparklies, and maybe better blacks, and a much wider viewing angle than the GW or HP. I'm not sure about waves, as the screen in my RV is only 80x80, while the one in the living room in 106" diagonal.

I am using an 81C filter on my PJ to improve the blacks and prevent white crush, but good light control is still necessary.

I never saw waves with my GW.

Is the viewing angle for the HP similiar or smaller than the GW?
As far as cleaning a GW, I'd guess it'd be impossible. I had another minor imperfection on mine - saw texture really bad in one small area. Examined it closely and could easily feel a 'bump' in the texture and I was able to 'rub' that piece of texture off.


I didn't notice any adverse affects from doing that, but it was a very small area. I imagine if it had been a larger area, the screen would have been completely ruined.

I saw a lot of waves on my GW2! The HP has a few waves, but I never notice them during viewing. I only see the waves with ambient lighting from the side. I'd guess the viewing angles are similar, but the HP screen is much brighter, so it may seem to have a wider viewing angle because of the extra lumens. Matte White screens have a much wider viewing angle, and are easy to clean.

I don't need a wide viewing angle. My room is 14 feet wide by 27 feet deep. front row of seating starts at 19 feet back. Sure, there is some overflow seating in the front at about 12 feet back, but it's overflow only. My narrow room should be perfect for a high power.

The high power is easy to clean too, right?

Very smooth surface. Cleans easily with a damp cloth, maybe a bit of dish soap if water doesn't work. Very heavy material, too.

If you are ceiling mounting the PJ, it will affect the image brightness, as the viewing angle goes horizontally and vertically. Kinda like an LCD laptop screen. Particularly if the PJ is closer to the screen, as the angle would be greater. Best mounting for the HP is as close as possible to head-height.

The projector is mounted on a stand 22 inches high and about 15 feet back. I sit directly behind the projector at about 19 feet back.

I should be golden.

Be careful at Best Buy. I bought a supposed Gray Wolf II 106" screen at best buy about a week ago. It was my first screen so didn't know the difference. I just noticed this Morning that they sold me a GWI. So Today I took back the GWI to exchange for the actual GWII that I paid for.
Wow, what a difference much brighter whites and brighter colors with the GWII. Not a complete loss.. it was on sale Today $30 cheaper and I got 15% off with a coupon.

I started out with an old silver coated screen from a thrift store, then I bought the H31 and got the free screen - Panoview matte white 1.0 gain.
That was great, but I read how much brighter the Graywolf was so I bought one.

I'm the guy with the dogs & the kids & something that got splattered on the screen.
Attempts to clean it made matters worse.
The smudges are only visible in bright scenes.

Now I'm taking down the GW and getting an electric matte white 1.2 gain screen.
I have five reasons:

1. I see brilliant sparkles
2. there are vertical lines whenever a certain color of yellow is displayed.
3. this thing is not cleanable
4. small viewing cone
5. wow factor of the electric screen

I don't think I'll miss the GW. If I do I can always hang it back up there for a while and remember what it was like. Maybe it will make a nice outdoor screen...

which matte are you getting? brand/model?

I'm getting the Focupix HDVio 92" electric.
It should be here on Thursday.

great thread on the gw2.Had dv10 till pj gave me the big red light .Had the gw2

screen also.Up graded to optoma 6800 with 92"gw,great projector,screen was poorly packaged,plastic wrap was opened,foam supports non existant,with metal casing damaged.Pj was good with table location,but last week ceiling mounted ,at about 7 ft4in to lens,even with pj adjustments sparkles,and a definate cone is
visible.Bothered enough to make up 96x54 wood frame with 2 layers white sheets for now,no more sparkles or cone effect,colour is good blacks just a small difference.any ideas on what has worked for your setup.Can't really lower the screen more than 36 in from floor .Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thx

That's why I returned one GW1 and two GW2 screens! Never happy with the results - sparklies, waves, narrow cone, and dark image. I have the Dalite 106" HP Model B, and am pretty happy with an 81C filter on my Panny AX100 PJ to tone down the white crush and improve the contrast a bit. No visible waves. My 80" Matte White in the RV looks great too, and a much wider viewing angle, but I don't know if it would show waves if it was 106". Good luck!

Will the manual GWII 120" look ok with my HD1000U? Ceiling mounted at 7-1/2 ft with a TD of 15 ft. There is ambient light in the room.

Thanks!

Will the manual GWII 120" look ok with my HD1000U? Ceiling mounted at 7-1/2 ft with a TD of 15 ft. There is ambient light in the room.

Thanks!

I just ditched my GWI, i was getting tired of sparklies, waves, dirty whites, ect....

I honestly don't think you'll be happy with a ceiling mount when using the GWII, I was doing a ceiling mount setup with it, 10ft TD, and after upgrading to the Elite 106" fixed frame setup, I am truly much happier with the setup now. No more waves, no more dirty whites, no more textures, ect...

- Josh

Help! I just replaced my 92" GW with a 106" GW II. However in taking down the 92" my son dropped his end and did some minor damage to the center of the screen. To try and repair it, I have some GWII samples that I taped to it but they don't match - obviously. So I called OptomaUSA to see if they had any old samples of the original GW screen samples but they don't. So I'm hoping someone on the forum may still have a small sample laying around that they would be willing to part with. If anyone has such a sample please PM me> If anyone has another/better suggestion, please let me know.

I just bought another GW II 92 inch screen and noticed that it is about 10 inches shorter then the one I bought 2 month ago. I certainly expected it to be the same length of about 65 inches.
Anybody had the same experience? I will send it back since it does not fit our set up in that length.

Earlier I'd sent a message asking for a GW screen sample or even some scraps to repair some damage I'd had with me original GW screen. I still need help. Surely, someone who reads this thread has some small pieces of a pull-down screen they've cut up and mounted or still have some small samples they'd used for some tests. I only need a piece a couple of inches wide and 3 or 4 inches long that I can cut up further to repair 4 small damaged spots. If you have some scraps laying around and are willing to part with them please p.m. me. I'm even willing to buy a sample if that is the only way someone will part with an original GW screen sample. Any help would be much appreciated.

Just an FYI that I'm sure others already knew, but was news to me, the GW II samples are considerably darker than the GW. I didn't expect that. At least with my Hitachi PJ-TX100, I think I prefer the GW over the GW II, but I am aware a sample may not give one a true representation of what a full screen would look like. Anyway, with my projector, the GW looks brighter and has more pop than the GW II sample seems to. The GW II sample does seem to have slightly better blacks though.

Again, if anyone has either some scraps or samples they'd be willing to share or even some suggestions on what else I could do to repair the damage please advise. It is a 92" screen and I've thought about cutting it down to a 90" fixed screen and using the left over pieces to do the necessary repairs but that is a last resort. I sometimes like to move the screen and watch it in the back yard on nice evenings and if I wouldn't be able to do that if I cut it up. Anyway, I'm still hoping someone has an old sample or scraps they're willing to part with. Thanks, JS

I've got some of the black felt wearing off on the bottom side of my pull-down screen. Nothing major but I can see the silver portion underneath. I was just wondering if I can use some type of flat paint (if so, which would you recommend) to do a bit of touch up.

double post.

Thanks

Just tried a 92" GW II - did not like it one bit. The whole picture just looked dingy in comparison to my DIY matte white screen (84" Optoma matted to a 76" 16:9).

Blacks might have been deepened - but totally not worth it for the screen texture and gray whites.

Does anyone have any experience with an Epson 200+ and a ND2 filter using a white screen? I am thinking that a ND2 filter would be the best way to deepen blacks as I have a light controlled (mostly) room.

I had the same experience with GW1 and GW2 (not as bad, but still too sparkly, waves galore, and not very vibrant). I replaced the GW2 with an HP screen and installed an 81C filter on my Panny ae900u (later moved to the ax100) PJ with pretty good results. Blacks will never look like the GW screen, but so much cleaner and brighter! The filter somewhat improves the blacks if you tweak it with DVE or AVIA properly. It also reduces the white crush. I'm happy with the combo most of the time.

I had the same experience with GW1 and GW2 (not as bad, but still too sparkly, waves galore, and not very vibrant). I replaced the GW2 with an HP screen and installed an 81C filter on my Panny ae900u (later moved to the ax100) PJ with pretty good results. Blacks will never look like the GW screen, but so much cleaner and brighter! The filter somewhat improves the blacks if you tweak it with DVE or AVIA properly. It also reduces the white crush. I'm happy with the combo most of the time.

All an 81c is meant to do is lower the color temp correct? How does this help with white crush and black levels?

Is there a reason you havent used a ND filter?

Just saw this thread and just got my GWII. I have some waves in the screen, but I can not notice them unless I am pretty close (about 2') or standing at the side. I have yet to set my projector up so I don't know if it's going to be present either.

I would like to leave the screen down full time. Is there a problem to that? (it's a manual pull down). I have some compressed air for dust removal to help with it. I think i'd leave the screen up but the retraction is very hard to work. I think I might pop the whole screen out of the screws in the wall.

I think I plan on putting some velcro on the bottom corners of the of the pull down bar so the screen will kind of stay put when the A/C comes on. Screen looks good so far. I'll be sitting about 11 and a half feet back with the 92" screen.

Thanks!

Sam

I have a 92" GW2 and unfortunately when I retracted the screen somehow a couple of moths got squished onto the screen. The next day I pulled down the screen to find dried moth and guts stained onto the screen. I tried to gently remove the stain but was unsuccessful. Then I noticed I had completely rubbed off the finish in one spot of the screen. I now have a golf ball sized spot in the middle of my screen that is very noticable on bright scenes. :( I am hoping there is some sort of repair paint to recoat that spot, I am guessing not but if anyone knows of anything please let me know. You would think they would have a way to fix that sort of thing.

Same thing happened with my HP screen, which is supposed to be washable, but I had to scrub pretty hard to get off all the stupid moth stain that I didn't realize I had rubbed off a small spot of the finish. Godammed little moths! Can't get rid of them once they get in the house (in cereals, nuts, grains, clothes, etc.). They fly in front of my screen as I'm watching, being attracted by the light! Really annoying!

Anyhow, I got a bunch of samples from Dalite before buying the screen, so I got the idea of cutting a piece off the sample and gluing it to the screen with a tiny bit of sylastic (flexible) adhesive, trying really carefully not to let the adhesive overflow the patch (not easy!). It looks a LOT better, although I can still see the edges of the patch.

I don't know if that would work for the GW material (or if you can get samples), being glass beaded, but it's a thought. You have to be really careful not to overflow the glue or you will see it!

I wasn't aware such a massive Greywolf thread existed. I wish I had found this before I tried one. To toss in my 2 cents, I wasn't just disappointed with the 92" Greywolf II, I was offended. Being a new PJ, I didn't have any problems with grey whites, but the sparkles and visible texture were some of the worst image quality flaws I have ever laid eyes on. I guess you might over look them on a dimming bulb paired with a moderate amount of ambient light, but if you try to argue any other conditions, I'd probably recommend an eye exam. I was shooting straight on from the mid line and center point of the screen in a fully darkened room, but optimal positioning did nothing to enhance this things performance. My opinion is to stay very far away unless you're looking for a bargain screen for a dimmer unit in a slightly brightened room.

Iggymama, are you referring to a Da-Lite HP? Do you have any experience with the Greywolf so as to draw comparisons. Are the sparkles and texture anywhere near as visible? The HP is also a glass beaded material isn't it?

I've used both an HP and graywolf II.

I completely agree with the texture and sparklies issues with the graywolf II.

the HP does NOT exhibit these flaws. The HP is glass beaded, but much smaller beads and a very very smooth surface. The surface completely disappears with the HP - no screen texture at all.

I highly recommend the HP.

I agree with you both, although I'm not sure the HP is glass beaded. It looks nothing like the GW. It's very bright when your are in the cone, almost too bright in some cases, like with snow or clouds. I use an 81EF filter on my Panny AX100 PJ (a bright PJ) to mellow the image with the HP screen, and it looks great. Even a Dalite Matte White screen looks way better than either GW screen from any angle!

Oh, and the filter improves the black levels, which the HP screen is lacking, once the PJ is properly calibrated.

I agree with you both, although I'm not sure the HP is glass beaded. It looks nothing like the GW. It's very bright when your are in the cone, almost too bright in some cases, like with snow or clouds. I use an 81EF filter on my Panny AX100 PJ (a bright PJ) to mellow the image with the HP screen, and it looks great. Even a Dalite Matte White screen looks way better than either GW screen from any angle!

I didn't think it was glass beaded, but was corrected here about a month ago or so.
It uses much much smaller glass beads and coats them afterwards for the smooter, texture free surface.

Where did you guys buy your HP's from if you don't mind my asking?

Got mine from Jason here at AVScience - great price, great service.

Jason, too!

Just wondering, is it a problem to leave the Greywolf II 92" manual pull down screen down all the time? I have a can of compressed air for dust, but do I really need to roll it back up in the case?

Got mine from Jason. Great transaction.

Sambow, I had my graywolf pulled down all the time. I think it's probably better for it to do that. Less chance of messing up the rolling mechanism if you don't use it. I only rolled it up when I needed access to the window behind the screen (seldom). I keep my hipower down all the time too.

I probably would've opted for a fixed screen except for the window behind the screen and the fact that pulldowns are generally significantly cheaper than fixed, for the same quality.

Just wondering, is it a problem to leave the Greywolf II 92" manual pull down screen down all the time? I have a can of compressed air for dust, but do I really need to roll it back up in the case?

Have had my GWI down for over 2 years...no problems...I don't even clean it off

Thanks for the recommendations guys, what was the order time on those things? I had to pick up a matte white Draper after returning this Greywolf II, but I was just looking for something quick and cheap. I think I'm probably going to pick up the HP in a couple months.

Thanks for the responses! I am going to keep it down as much as possible. It might go up today since they are redoing the counter tops in the apartment (not sure if they are going to sand it or not) but for the most part it is going to be kept down.

My only problem right now, with the pull down screen (would be any pull down, not just Graywolf) is that when the AC comes on it tends to move a little bit. I tried putting some velcro on the ends of the pull down bar but it still does it. I only noticed it once when I was watching 300 but I was thinking of either getting a string to attach to the bottom of the hook and my center speaker stand or applying some velcro on the black border at the very bottom (like in the left and right corners). Would this be advisable or are there any other ways of doing this?

One other thing. I have light coming in from sliding glass doors (on the opposite wall is the screen). It does not look like direct sunlight would ever really hit the PJ screen, but is it bad for any natural light to hit it (I know i'm being overly paranoid but this is my first FP and screen configuration I have messed with).

Thanks again for all the responses, really helped me a lot!

Sam

Waves were another reason I hated the GW screens. No waves are visible on the HP. Even though there are a few waves (from the material getting pulled out of the bottom rod - my fault - you can't see them when viewing. Really bad SPARKLIES (and dingy whites) were way too annoying from my 9 foot seating distance!

I just installed my replacement Graywolf II motorized 106" screen and am having motor problems. There is clicking from the low-voltage switches when the hand-controller, remote, and projector trigger are initiated, but the up/down motor never activates. The screen is down because i gave it a slight pull to engage the motor once. But it won't go back up.

I've tried readjusting the limit switches with no significant differences. This is the second screen from the factory that "clicks but doesn't move." Any ideas what's up with this product?

Have had my GWI down for over 2 years...no problems...I don't even clean it off

I've had my GWII down for a year - no problems. I dust it rarely.

Also - though I've said it before - the Greywolf II has no sparklies that I have ever seen. (The GWI did tho)

Hello.

I just got an electric GWII screen.

When I mount it on my wall as high up as I can and let the motor pull the screen all the way down it almost touches the floor and is way to far down.

One of the reasons I bought this screen was to use the 12v switch so it goes down when I turn the projector on.

Anyone knows if you can change where/when the motor stops pulling down the screen? I could not find anything in the manual.

EDIT: Well, dumb me. I guess The thing I was missing was what to google on. If someone else gets here "Limit switches" is what you want to search for..

OT about moth problem on screen :-)

You probably have the "small moths" that live on flour-based food - in sweden they are called "flour-moths".
I had the same problem, contacted a pesticide company in sweden who told me to throw away all old flour-based food from my cabinet, then they sprayed som goo in there and i waited a couple of days for it to still down and then bought new food.

Since then they are totally gone.

I have experienced something quite bizarre. A year ago I purchased a 92" graywolf 2 fixed screen. I have used it up until recently when the spot (which can't be cleaned) in the right corner of the screen became too much of a distraction. I recently purchased a 92" pull down version of the same screen (until I can afford a firehawk) Although they both say Graywolf 2 on them. The fixed screen had considerably more sparkles on it then the pulldown I just purchased. I am confused. Could the Fixed Screen have been a Graywolf 1 in a Graywolf 2 frame? WTF?

Running product line changes and improvements, maybe?

I just bought a GRAYWOLF II 106E..

I got everything installed, hooked up the 12v to my projector, set the projector to trigger, the screen came down!!! Lokks goos, BUT

now I can't get the screen to go back up!!! I freekin' tried everything...

can somebody help me out, or is there something I'm missing?!?!?!

THANKS!!!

Running product line changes and improvements, maybe?

I dont know - I can't see any sparklies in my GWII - but they were easy to spot in my GWI

I purchased a 92' pull down Greywolf II to go with my Panny AX-200. I'm returning it and replacing with a Carada 106' fixed frame Brilliant White.

I did not like the Greywolf due to the texture on the screen - it created a graininess to the picture that precluded the seeing through a window effect of good HD. You could see the sparklies as well. The minimum viewing angle was another drawback. The most serious drawback by far though was the screen texture. For that reason alone, I would not recommend this product.

I purchased a 92' pull down Greywolf II to go with my Panny AX-200. I'm returning it and replacing with a Carada 106' fixed frame Brilliant White.

I did not like the Greywolf due to the texture on the screen - it created a graininess to the picture that precluded the seeing through a window effect of good HD. You could see the sparklies as well. The minimum viewing angle was another drawback. The most serious drawback by far though was the screen texture. For that reason alone, I would not recommend this product.

I concur completely with the texture comment -- it was impossible to watch movies with a lot of brightness in them.

Is this a problem with HD-content only is there some "rainbow effect" element to it, i.e., only some people are affected by it? Considering the fact that these screens have enjoyed a fair degree of success, it must not bother everyone...

I'm considering the GWII motorized as a cheap entry screen. I pretty much have to go motorized as the wife does not want a fixed screen installed. I wonder if the electric vs. pulldown has the same issue with waves? I'll be using a Panny AX200U rear shelf mounted about 18 feet away.

I'm considering the GWII motorized as a cheap entry screen. I pretty much have to go motorized as the wife does not want a fixed screen installed. I wonder if the electric vs. pulldown has the same issue with waves? I'll be using a Panny AX200U rear shelf mounted about 18 feet away.

If your only criterion is a well built cheap electric screen, I would recommend looking at the Flexio screens from HTDepot.

If you really want a high gain gray 1.8 screen (not my choice BTW), they do have a (cheaper) electric screen that seems virtually identical to the GWII.

Anyway, most non-tensioned pulldown or electric screens will have some degree of problem with waves and curling. Depending on your tolerance level, you may want to opt for a tensioned screen...

I purchased a 92' pull down Greywolf II to go with my Panny AX-200. I'm returning it and replacing with a Carada 106' fixed frame Brilliant White.

I did not like the Greywolf due to the texture on the screen - it created a graininess to the picture that precluded the seeing through a window effect of good HD. You could see the sparklies as well. The minimum viewing angle was another drawback. The most serious drawback by far though was the screen texture. For that reason alone, I would not recommend this product.

I have to agree with you on the texture. On any scene with a lot of white or other light color it is easy to spot and annoying.

Today I happened upon a set-up (in a store) using an Optima projector and a Graywolf screen. I don't know which gen the screen was (but I'm pretty sure the projection room was a new addition to the store)...but the screen structure was just brutal.

Admittedly I'm pretty sensitive to screen artifacts, but this was frankly the worst I've experienced on a projection screen. For bright images it actually made the image hard to watch for me, the sparkly screen overlaying the image was so distracting.

FWIW.

Admittedly I'm pretty sensitive to screen artifacts, but this was frankly the worst I've experienced on a projection screen. For bright images it actually made the image hard to watch for me, the sparkly screen overlaying the image was so distracting.

FWIW.

Try watching "The Shining" with this screen -- it gives a all too literal interpretation of of the title :eek:.

What are the differences between Graywolf and Graywolf II?

Thanks,
engtaz

There's a guy on ebay with 36 of the Greywolf 109" pull down, grey with 1.8 gain, and if you offer him $20.99 for it (it's a buy-it-now or make-an-offer ebay listing) he will accept it.

I got my screen and put it over a window and in full daylight this screen blocks ALL THE LIGHT BEHIND IT, with no bleed.

It has dramatically enhanced the blacks with my Optoma 617 ( 2000 lumens, always using 1600 in eco mode)

If you are using a dlp like mine is and you have a setting like I do for "White Peaking," you can dial that waaaay down to get a very natural tone--otherwise your whites will clip badly and be distracting on this high-gain screen.

My projector is ceiling mounted, as well, which causes any seated viewers to be slightly out of the most reflective zone, but it looks great when standing, too--just more bold.

Be aware--this screen gives much more of a film feeling, and screen door effect (SDE) is greatly reduced or completely obliterated.

IF YOU TAKE THE TIME, to calibrate your projector using something even as simple as the wizard in Vista Media Center (which is what I use) you can have a FANTASTIC viewing experience with this screen.

I use a projector because I like to best recreate a movie-going experience. That's what this screen does, you see the what some people describe as sparkles are really just the re-creation of film grain, which makes viewing much more big-cinema like. Heck, it says professional cinema screen on the side of the box.

If you haven't seen this, again think of a deep gray with glass beads that give 1.8 gain--you get blacker blacks and no color shift, and the glass completely eliminates the pixelation of screen door--rendering an image MUCH more like film. IMO, much more like a projector displaying 35mm film reels. How much closer can you get?


If you have any questions, please ask me. I'm not trying to sell these screens, I'm just a customer, and I'm going to share where they are available at a low cost, just like people did in the beginning of this thread.


Ebay Item number: 200263407349 , "Panoview Graywolf DS-9106PM 106" Cinema Display Screen"
Just go to ebay and paste that number in the search box.

Right now there are 35 left, and I have to say that my experience with this vendor has been quite good. These are apparently b-stock or the result of some of the people in this thread that didn't care for it and sent it back, or returned it b/c they found one somewhere else for $20 less. They also have matte white (Item number: 200265999944 or Item number: 200266005711). And they have 96" (150305107822) in 4:3 or 106" like I got in 16:9, 200263407349

Anyway, mine came in the manufacturer's box and still had the strong smell associated with the new ones. That smell was quite distinct after I had it pulled down and I immediately realized what had been mentioned earlier in the thread. It had to air out quite a bit.

Anyway, guys... 20.99 for the screen. Can you possibly beat that? :cool:

What are the differences between Graywolf and Graywolf II?

Thanks,
engtaz

BUMP!

I'd really like to know this, too. I have a first edition, and wonder exactly what is "upgraded" in Greywolf II.

I think (do not assume true) that I heard someone describe it as having a wider optimum viewing cone.

I still think the 100 degrees originally specified is quite optimistic.

Hi. I am in the market for my second screen.

How do you think about the combination of those two?

Is it better to get white matte instead of gray?

Hi. I am in the market for my second screen.

How do you think about the combination of those two?

Is it better to get white matte instead of gray?


I use the Graywolf II with the HD65 and it is spectacular in my set up. Make sure you don't sit too far from the center axis and have a table top set up. Not good for ceiling mount pj since this screen is retro reflective. This screen is also perfect for not light controlled rooms during the day. With the high lumens of this HD65 you can easily watch during daytime with this screen.
Have no hot spots as you might have on glass beaded screens. Make sure you calibrate brightness and contrast properly - could be too bright at night.
My manual pull down graywolf is hanging now for over 3 years and there are no waves at all. I roll it up every time after use. In my conditions a perfect screen for the HD65.

Hi everybody,

I'm looking for an input on this combo DE-GWII9120E and Yamaha DPX-1000 DLP? The projector is a used unit but the screen I think will be brand new, should I go with the fixed rather than motorized? Should I be concerned about wrinkles later down the road on the motorized unit? Is there a better match for this projector? Any input will be helpfull ;) thanks in advanced.

I just bought this screen for $134 at one of the closing Circuit City stores here in Sacto & was wondering can someone recommend a good Projector for it.

I just don't know which direction to go, as far as DLP, LCD LCOS etc...

My price range is somewhere around $1,500-$2,000

Thanks for your input!

I just bought this screen for $134 at one of the closing Circuit City stores here in Sacto & was wondering can someone recommend a good Projector for it.

I just don't know which direction to go, as far as DLP, LCD LCOS etc...

My price range is somewhere around $1,500-$2,000

Thanks for your input!

This screen is retroreflective and will perform best if you get a projector that can be mounted at viewer's eye level. Most LCD projectors in your price range can. Most DLP projectors cannot. LCOS can, but is probably not in your price range. If you want to ceiling mount your projector, you bought the wrong screen.

I got the motorized one, but I lost the wall bracket. Is there any replacements you can use for them? I tried emailing Optima, and they said they don't sell the brackets individually.

I used L shelf brackets with a center support for my screen. I used to have a 92" Graywolf 1 manual pull down and now a 119" DaLite HP screen and they have both been perfectly sturdy on the $10 brackets... I even painted them out to match the wall. My HP screen is for sale as I need to downsize but I'll continue to use the brackets.

Basically, I ran an eye bolt through the top screw down hole of the bracket and then you can either use an S hook to connect the screen to the eye but I used a locking O ring to keep it secure... Just make sure you get the brackets in a stud, I would not trust anchors with a screen.

I've a chance to buy the 92" GREY WOLF II, fixed frame, for about 170$.

My room is surrounded by white walls, and the projector will be ceiling mounted, 7,5 feet from floor, at a 100 feet distance.

The projector its a new Mits HC3100.

I've read the guitarman review using the HD79 (almost equal to HC3100), and i understand that for best results the projector should be table mounted, but i'm curious if the GWII, in this conditions would be a good buy at that price.

I've a chance to buy the 92" GREY WOLF II, fixed frame, for about 170$.

My room is surrounded by white walls, and the projector will be ceiling mounted, 7,5 feet from floor, at a 100 feet distance.

The projector its a new Mits HC3100.

I've read the guitarman review using the HD79 (almost equal to HC3100), and i understand that for best results the projector should be table mounted, but i'm curious if the GWII, in this conditions would be a good buy at that price.

You sure that you are trying to do 100 foot throw distance? Based of of the model of projector you are using the the screen size you have, the absolute MAX throw distance you can do is 13 feet 3 inches.

check projectorcentral's website it has a pretty comprehensive calculator for projectors: http://www.projectorcentral.com/Mitsubishi-HC3100U-projection-calculator-pro.htm

-Josh

You sure that you are trying to do 100 foot throw distance?
-Josh


I'm sorry, i've made a mistake :) I wanted to say 10 foot (3m).

Regarding my setup, would the gray wolf be a good choice ?

I'm sorry, i've made a mistake :) I wanted to say 10 foot (3m).

Regarding my setup, would the gray wolf be a good choice ?

3meters it too close to get 92" diagonal. the shortest throw distance you can do is 10 feet 11 inches, so 3.3274 meters.

Your ideal throw distance should be 12 feet or 3.6576 meters.

The largest screen you can do at 10 feet/3meters is and 85" diagonal screen.

-Josh

I forgot about this thread :)

I managed to get the greywolf 92" fixed screen (refurbished) for about 150$, and the combination with the HC3100 is Amazing !!!!

In the seating position i loose about 20% of brightness comparing to a standing position, but even with the lamp in low mode, it is an amazing combination.

The grey screen really helps with the white walls and the velvet frame adds another level perceiving the film boundaries.

When viewing 1.85:1 films , it seems a gigantic plasma :-D

Can anyone find a 92" gray wolf ii?

I have the original and I have heard the ii is better

Thanks