first of all, thanks for the wonderful concert dvd thread. i've tried to work my way thru it.

understandably, the demographic for the higher-quality dvds is a bit older than metal, but i was specifically wondering what concert dvds someone might recommend for sound quality alone. what i want is music only- i don't want any interviews or any BS interspersed. i want seamless mixing in the event the cuts are extracted from different performances. and i want no flipping.

i'm big on the cult, guns and roses, judas priest and the like. not any hair band stuff, pls. and not metallica- the old stuff is now, sadly, a bit intense for me.

any recommends?

Let's see:

Slayer - Still Reigning
Metallica - Cunning Stunts
Mudvayne - Access to All Things

That's about it from me.

Oh yea, not metal but awesome: Depeche Mode - Devotional

Nine Inch Nails - And All That Could Have Been

It may not be metal, but industrial is close.

Opeth - Lamentations - a death metal band from Sweden (don't worry they sing in english :)). The first half is not even heavy and it's all clean vocals. The second half is very heavy - mostly with "growling" vocals and clean vocals. The musicianship is incredible ... especially for a live performance. For me, this is one of the only bands where the growling doesn't detract from the music.

Cheers!
Rick.

Oh yeah Metallica's Cunning stunts is by far the absolute best. I have seen Metallica 7 times and this captures it very well. They play for ever and they sound incredible.The stage is cool because its like a figure 8 and there like 10 camera angles. On 4 different songs you control which cameras you watch. you can keep it on any of the guys or switch between them all. Its a really cool feature. The only thing I hate is its not in widescreen only 4:3. I don't know why either.Its a great,great great DVD though. I highly reccomend it. Also this not a "metal" DVD but the Bruce Springsteen live from NY is incredible too. He puts every single ounce of energy into his show, At the end you get the feeling he is going to just pass out back stage for a week. The DVD has outstanding widescreen picture and incredible sound. I can't tell you how insane it sounds. I highly reccomend this one too even though not medal. Hope I have helped J.H.

i second the opeth recommendation. the dvd can be found for under $12 and has a dts mix. the dvd is all live and is 2 sets. the first set is pseudo-acoustic and is very clean, as was mentioned before. the 2nd set is their heavier material, but with opeth, the tempo changes quite a bit and there are parts of the heavy songs that are very much like the acoustic stuff from the first set. the best word to describe their heavier tracks is "epic" as some of the songs push the 20 minute mark. a lot of my friends that aren't into metal like opeth when i play it for them (at least the more chilled out parts ;) ) so definately give this one a shot.

Well I'll beat it to death again, Metallica Cunning Stunts, and S & M as well. I especially like the S & M dvd.

BTW I realized that you said no metallica, but honestly too bad, theyre great.

Godsmack-Changes DTS
Black Label Society-Boozed, Broozed and Broken Boned DTS

Not metal but sounds great
Sammy Hagar and the Waboritas-Cabo Wabo Birthday Bash DTS

If you like Judas Priest, the Electric Eye DVD is pretty good. In addition to a concert, there's some interesting videos too.

Godsmack-Changes DTS
Black Label Society-Boozed, Broozed and Broken Boned DTS

Not metal but sounds great
Sammy Hagar and the Waboritas-Cabo Wabo Birthday Bash DTS


Godsmack & BLS are both excellent (although Godsmack sounds pretty repetitive). I'd add Full Bluntal Nugity (Ted Nugent).

Picked up "Lamb of God - Killadelphia" last week but haven't watched it yet. I expect it to be pretty good - saw them Monday night & they were amazing (Opeth was also on the bill, but their sound was so terrible I couldn't enjoy it).

Another vote for Opeth Lamentations. Lamb of God Killadelphia is pretty good too. There is some band interview footage, but you can choose to watch a "performance only" version with the interview footage deleted.

Another one of my favorites, though not really "metal," is Joe Satriani Live in SF. Excellent 5.1 DD on that one.

Edit- If you think early Metallica is too satanic, I must warn you that both Opeth and LoG have "cookie monster" vocalists. Opeth is both melodic and growling, probably more melodic than not. LoG is all growling. Not sure if this bothers you.

I jumped for joy when I saw this thread. Metal rules.

My favorite metal DVDs are:

1. Slipknot - Disaster Pieces - This will completely blow your mind (and ears, and speakers).

2. Nine Inch Nails - All That Could Have Been - Great Sound

3. Black Label Society - Boozed, Broozed and Broken Boned DTS - Zakk Wylde is the best guitarist ever.

4. Pantera - Watch it Go 3 - This is not a "concert" dvd. This is 3 hours of non-stop backstage MAYHEM!!! (R.I.P. Dimebag)

5. Machine Head - Elegies - This DVD doesn't come out 'till 8/16, but I KNOW it is going to kick ass.

Godsmack: Changes DTS sounds great the drum solo in Batalla de los Tambores is incredible.
Metalica: S&M is also awesome
Rammstein: Live aus Berlin is just an amazing DVD and must have for Rammstein fans

Keep them coming
METAL RULES

I'm ashamed.

I really dont have any good Metal DVDs!

I will have to rectify that.

I'll go along with the Metallica DVD's. Did they ever put "Live Sh*t, Binge and Purge" on DVD. That was a good concert.
Slipknot - Disasterpieces
Mudvayne - Access To All Things

Not metal:
Linkin Park Live in Texas is a great DVD.
Alice In Chains - Unplugged
Staind - Unplugged

BTW, there may be a new Slipknot DVD coming soon. I saw something on a website about but I can't find any more info.

i'm big on the cult, guns and roses, judas priest and the like.



Keep your eye out in the future for "Re-unleashed in the East" - live DVD & Live CD from JP. Recorded during last years reunion tour, it should really cook.

AM

P.S. Has anybody got the Chimaira DVD? I'm not sure if it has enough uninterupted live footage to be worth buying (the jacket is pretty vague).

BTW, there may be a new Slipknot DVD coming soon. I saw something on a website about but I can't find any more info.
I'll check into that. Let's just say I have an inside connection ;)

The metal concert DVDs I have are:

Queensryche - Operation Live Crime (DD) - This is the band performing the entire Operation Mindcrime album from back in the 1980s. Incredible concert! This is one of their best albums IMHO.

Queensryche - Live Evolution (DD) - Queensryche plays in Seattle and plays the songs from their entire catalog from the first album, all the way to Q2k.

Iron Maiden - Rock in Rio (DTS) - Probably the best metal concert DVD I have. I am a HUGE Maiden fan and the DTS sound on this is great. The video is bright and vivid. You really feel like you are there with the thousands upon thousands of people.

Dio - Evil or Divine (DTS & DD) - This is from his Killing the Dragon Tour. Great sound in DTS. The video leaves something to be desired. A littel too grainy. But he covers songs from his past albums and even his stints with Rainbow and Black Sabbath.

Ozzy Osbourne - Live at the Budokhan (DD) - This concert shows that Ozzy still has it. He is really getting the crowd into the music and all riled up. And with the madman Zakk on guitar, that is another great show unto itself.

Slipknot - Disasterpieces (DD) - What can I say.... Great video and sound. One intense concert

Star One - Live on Earth (Stereo) - From the mastermind Arjen Anthony Luccasen. This is a live show from his Star One album. He is known for assembling great vocal talent and sure did a good job here. Russell Allen from Symphony X, Damien Wilson whom used to be in Threshold (British progressive metal band) and the Jansen sisters on backup vocals. Unfortunately no true 5.1 sound to this, but it is still a good concert. They perform songs from the Star One - Space Metal album (songs based on Sci fi movies and TV shows) and sopme of Arjen's other project Ayreon.

Black Label Society - Boozed, Broozed and Tattooed (DD & DTS) - What can I say? Zakk is the man and he proves this in this concert. Intense and unreal guitar skills and a great singing voice to boot. The band is tight!

Godsmack Live: DTS - Great concert! Sound is crystal clear. This one gets a lot of play at my house!

I know the OP said no Metallica, but I'll add my votes to S&M and Cunning Stunts!

Also, not metal, but I also second Staind: Unplugged. I'll throw this one in for background music during parties...

Here's my favorite Metal DVD's that I watch often.

Black Label Society - Boozed, Broozed and Tattooed
D.R.I. - Live at the Ritz
Godsmack: Changes
Iron Maiden: Raising Hell
Iron Maiden: Rock in Rio:
Metallica - Cunning Stunts
Megadeth: Rude Awakening
Ozzy Osbourne: Live at Budokan
Sepultura - Chaos DVD
Slayer - Still Reigning
Slayer: War At The Warfield

One band I wish I could fine on DVD live is, Sucidal Tendencies

the old stuff is now, sadly, a bit satanic for me.

Metallica, Satanic? :confused:

Redhouse

Metallica, Satanic? :confused:

Redhouse

sorry- maybe "satanic" is not the right word.

i've put AJFA in the CD player several times over the past 10 years or so and i can't ever finish it- it's too intense- too in the foreground.

And Justice for all, Metallica's last great album IMHO. I still enjoy listening to One, Harvester of Sorrow and Blackend is just heavy.

I'm of of those Metallica fans that have loved them over the years and still do.

Redhouse

Speaking of Zakk on DVD:

http://www.blacklabelsociety.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=22

For Judas Priest fans, the DVD included in the Metalogy box set is a real winner.
(Think of it as a DVD with 4 bonus CDs if that helps.) :)
This is the Memphis show that MTV used to play quite a bit back in the day.
All the hits played live by the band at their peak.
SQ very good, PQ dated but OK.

For Judas Priest fans, the DVD included in the Metalogy box set is a real winner.
(Think of it as a DVD with 4 bonus CDs if that helps.) :)
This is the Memphis show that MTV used to play quite a bit back in the day.
All the hits played live by the band at their peak.
SQ very good, PQ dated but OK.


thanks for this- i was looking at that set but i already own "metal works" on CD

Another vote for Opeth Lamentations.

I do wish it had more of the old stuff. Of course one of the newer song's on the DVD called "Master's Apprentices" just kills.

James

Another thumbs up for Iron Maiden - Rock in Rio (DTS). Although it is a biased opinion since they're my fav band.

For Judas Priest fans, the DVD included in the Metalogy box set is a real winner.
(Think of it as a DVD with 4 bonus CDs if that helps.) :)
This is the Memphis show that MTV used to play quite a bit back in the day.
All the hits played live by the band at their peak.
SQ very good, PQ dated but OK.


Um, No. :)

Priest's last great album was Defenders....Turbo and the few that followed were absolute rubbish when the band tried to cash in on the hairmetal craze sweeping the nation in the mid to late 80's. Painkiller came later but frankly by that time Metal was already in major decline.....MTV dropped headbangers and Grunge..well lets not go there :)

Anyhow, the Metalogy set is great for the Music Videos alone, but I can leave the concert DVD....its too "produced", IMHO.

And Justice for all, Metallica's last great album IMHO. I still enjoy listening to One, Harvester of Sorrow and Blackend is just heavy.

I'm of of those Metallica fans that have loved them over the years and still do.

Redhouse


Grew up with Metallica, Puppets changed my entire consciousness :)
Sadly, after "Justice" it all went downhill. Bob Rock destroyed that band, the same way he destroyed Van Halen, turned them into a pop band.

ANYHOW......And Justice is the first and only Metal CD I own that doesn't apparrantly even have a Bass track :)

I always used to wonder why I hated the mix on that CD so much, for some reason Larr's drumming (which sucks) sounds just way too, well, loud. It wasn't until years later that I realized that "There...there isn't any bass in this mix!".

Its still a great album though....a shame it was their last, IMHO of course.

Um, No. :)

Priest's last great album was Defenders....Turbo and the few that followed were absolute rubbish when the band tried to cash in on the hairmetal craze sweeping the nation in the mid to late 80's. Painkiller came later but frankly by that time Metal was already in major decline.....MTV dropped headbangers and Grunge..well lets not go there :)

Anyhow, the Metalogy set is great for the Music Videos alone, but I can leave the concert DVD....its too "produced", IMHO.
You must be confusing this with something else. :confused:
This is the 1983 Screaming For Vengence Tour.
(Predates Defenders by a year or so.)
There are also no Music videos.
Just 4 CDs and the concert DVD.

ANYHOW......And Justice is the first and only Metal CD I own that doesn't apparrantly even have a Bass track :)

HA! ... That is so true!

And then St. Anger has the most annoying drum track? What the H .. E .. double-hockey-sticks?

I ordered Guns 'N' Roses Use Your Illusion 1 & 2 from www.koreandvds.com. Foolframe only but in DTS and I believe they were under US$6 each. Haven't had a chance to listen to them yet.

And then St. Anger has the most annoying drum track? What the H .. E .. double-hockey-sticks?




Amen to that. I can't even listed to St. Anger because of the annoying drums. If that CD had been produced differently (like say, the latest Godsmack CD) it could have been a classic.

You must be confusing this with something else. :confused:
This is the 1983 Screaming For Vengence Tour.
(Predates Defenders by a year or so.)
There are also no Music videos.
Just 4 CDs and the concert DVD.

if it's the '83 tour i'll buy the DVD as a keepsake- i coudl throw out the cds.

You must be confusing this with something else. :confused:
This is the 1983 Screaming For Vengence Tour.
(Predates Defenders by a year or so.)
There are also no Music videos.
Just 4 CDs and the concert DVD.

I guess I must be. There was a recent release by Priest on DVD........music videos and then the concert video from the, I think "Turbo" tour...Rob had long hair, and the band was dressed up more like Poision. :P

ANYHOW......And Justice is the first and only Metal CD I own that doesn't apparrantly even have a Bass track :)

I always used to wonder why I hated the mix on that CD so much, for some reason Larr's drumming (which sucks) sounds just way too, well, loud. It wasn't until years later that I realized that "There...there isn't any bass in this mix!".

Its still a great album though....a shame it was their last, IMHO of course.

Agree 100000000%. In fact, I once made a recording of that whole album with MYSELF on bass. I played bass to that album a LOT in college.

Anyway, getting back on topic, I really like SOD - Speak English or Live (even though the performance itself is obviously overdubbed).

Agree 100000000%. In fact, I once made a recording of that whole album with MYSELF on bass. I played bass to that album a LOT in college.


LOL- I'd like to hear that!! That album sounds like it was mixed to emulate how it would sound played back through a Teddy Ruxpin bear.

As for metal DVD's I don't own a lot but I really like Electric Eye, cheezy though it might be, Also, there's Fate's Warning's The View From Here if you dig the prog-metal thing.

[QUOTE=Joe_M]I'll go along with the Metallica DVD's. Did they ever put "Live Sh*t, Binge and Purge" on DVD. That was a good concert.[QUOTE]
Yes but I have not bought it yet for whatever reason.

Great thread.

I added Black Label Society & Iron Maiden to my queu.

I suppose no-one has mentioned the two AC/DC DVDs mentioned in the other threads because (1.mentioned in the other threads & 2. a lighter alloy than most consider 'metal').

I'll add Black Sabbath Last supper. Although they chop up the concert by cutting to the geezers talking bout the old days. and that is annoying.

Kinda metal, I would recommend "Dream Theater Live at Budokan" These guys are part metal with prog rock, classical and zappa thrown in. These musicans are masters of their intstruments. The dvd has DTS and is shot very well. If you want to see some incredible musicans check these guys out.

Greg

I'll add Black Sabbath Last supper. Although they chop up the concert by cutting to the geezers talking bout the old days. and that is annoying.

Oh yeah, great one. The Sabs are still heavier playing one note than these young punks have any idea about. It really does suck that they didn't let it all run straight through though.

Kinda metal, I would recommend "Dream Theater Live at Budokan" These guys are part metal with prog rock, classical and zappa thrown in. These musicans are masters of their intstruments. The dvd has DTS and is shot very well. If you want to see some incredible musicans check these guys out.

Greg

Haven't seen the DVD, but I can vouch for their music. DT's drummer is INCREDIBLE!!!

I sure wish i could find some Mercyful Fate or King Diamond on DVD.....no the DVD with King telling his "story" from the puppetmaster CD does NOT count :)

PS: Geezers? Black Sabbath? I will fly out to wear you live and rip out your 22 piercings if you talk blasphemy like that again :D

Just Kidding, seriously...Black Sabbath was really one of the bands that layed the groundwork...."We Sold Our Soul.." should be *MANDITORY LISTENING* to any metal fan.
Black Sabbath may be just a bunch of old guys to kids today, but compared to most of the talent out today, these guys could actually make music. Lets face it, A LOT of todays metal is just basically one gigantic rythim chord played where a bass track used to be, with guys growling over it.

I'm 34, I grew up on Sabbath and other 70's metal bands, and songs like Electric Funeral and NIB, Sweet Leaf, The Wizard, Children of the Grave...etc etc (I could go on and on) just absolutely CRUSH to me.....they have a much more visceral impact than anything being layed out today...its not as hard, but its also definately not anywhere near as cookie-cutter as todays music seems to be.

Alot of the stuff being put out today as metal...(Lamb of God....any number of Modern metal bands) border on unimportant to me. The growling is something that even back in the 80's alot of us guys couldn't get past. It seemed so cartoonish.......Now I can listen to some of these modern metal bands....but I can't say I really like them, because they all sound the same to me. Lets face it....its not easy to distinguish one GROWL from another :) But Mustane's voice, Hetfield, Arraya's or any of the dozens upon dozens of other 80's metal bands had distinctive sounds, riffs, and vocals.

Today....I can't tell Lamb of God from Black Dahlia Murders from....whatever, insert band name here. Granted, I'm ont into music like I was......and I accept that as you AGE, you get less and less inclined to "buy into whatever is hot" in music today....so I'm partially talking out my ass here.....but I'm finding msyelf disappointed that so much of the metal I hear today is indistinguishable.

I did buy Prodgenies of the Great Apocalypse from Dimmu Borgir......and enjoyed most of it front to back, MOSTLY because of the intertwined orchestration. The "popeye hte sailorman " vocals on some tracks do kinda make me chuckle however :D

NO SABBATH BASHING...its affront against the Gods :D

Dream Theater is an amazing band, as a guitarist and musician I've always enjoyed their music. I'm sure the G3 concert is pretty good, haven't seen the DVD yet.

HeadRusch: would be nice to see some King Diamond/MF I think Andy LaRocque is an awesome guitarist.

I'll add Black Sabbath Last supper. Although they chop up the concert by cutting to the geezers talking bout the old days. and that is annoying.


PS: Geezers? Black Sabbath? I will fly out to wear you live and rip out your 22 piercings if you talk blasphemy like that again :D

Just Kidding


There is only one Geezer in Black Sabbath. ;)

Favorite Metal DVDs

Iron Maiden - Rock in Rio
AC/DC - Stiff Upper Lip
Black Sabbath - The Last Supper
Deep Purple - Perihelion
Michael Schenker Group - World Wide Live

The OP mentioned The Cult as one of his faves so he probably has them covered, but they have out a few DVDs as well.

Live Cult
Pure Cult

And also add my recommendation for the Queensryche DVDs, both good shows!

The OP mentioned The Cult as one of his faves so he probably has them covered, but they have out a few DVDs as well.

Live Cult
Pure Cult

And also add my recommendation for the Queensryche DVDs, both good shows!

how are the cult DVDs? i don't have them. i love those guys ('sonic temple 'is my favorite metal album of all time)

PS: Geezers? Black Sabbath? I will fly out to wear you live and rip out your 22 piercings if you talk blasphemy like that again :D

NO SABBATH BASHING...its affront against the Gods :D

All in fun I assure you. I got you beat in years on the planet, and those guys still seem like geez- ahem, 'The elder statesmen of metal', to me. And yes, Sold our Souls is required listening in my house.

Ever heard of Atomic Bitchwax? You might enjoy them. They conjur prime Sabbath in my mind when I listen to 'em.

I'll also recommend Corrosion of Conformity. I'm consistently re-listening to their entire catalog.

And I'll add Dream Theatre to my DVD queue. I know they lay it down when they want to. A plus is the Wife actually likes those dudes, she doesn't feel the same for Ozzy, Geezer & crew.

I'll also recommend Corrosion of Conformity. I'm consistently re-listening to their entire catalog.


I love the COC album "Deliverance".

Talking about old metal bands from that era, I've rediscoverd Metal Church as of late. Their first album is a classic.

Someone upped the video for "Watch the Children Pray" recently to USENET......great stuff, hadn't seen that since '89 and the Headbangers Ball era.......

HA! ... That is so true!

And then St. Anger has the most annoying drum track? What the H .. E .. double-hockey-sticks?

I ordered Guns 'N' Roses Use Your Illusion 1 & 2 from www.koreandvds.com. Foolframe only but in DTS and I believe they were under US$6 each. Haven't had a chance to listen to them yet.


This is an awesome thread! Keep them coming!

I own the two GNR Use your illusion DVD's. Decent performances but nothing spectacular. PQ and SQ are marginal but passable. If you are a fan you should get these but not great for showing off your system. Most GNR stuff in the studio sounds like it was recorded with a mic in the bottom of a trash can anyway.

AC DC Stiff Upper Lip is a great recording and very good performances. Song selection is spotty so be prepared to fast forward.

I'm very interested in anything by Iron Maiden, particularly any that highlight their early work (stopped listening to anything after Piece of Mind). I think their Rio concert is mostly new stuff right? Too bad if it is. Ahh, fond memories of front row seats around 1984.

Also, any thoughts on the best DVD to showcase Sabbath tunes (I'd include Ozzy in this as he still covers a lot of early Sabbath stuff)?

Thanks for the Judas Priest recommendations. Will definitely check those out. If they did a DVD for the Unleashed in the East- era I would be first in line to get it. I hear that Electric Eye doesn't even have Halford singing!!! WTF!!!!

Why are so many of these DVD's so highly priced? Metallica? F@#$ing expensive for a concert DVD. I've seen them twice in concert but shelling out $120 CDN for a concert DVD is harsh!

We definitely need more quality metal DVD's at a decent price.

This is an awesome thread! Keep them coming!



I'm very interested in anything by Iron Maiden, particularly any that highlight their early work (stopped listening to anything after Piece of Mind). I think their Rio concert is mostly new stuff right? Too bad if it is. Ahh, fond memories of front row seats around 1984.



Thanks for the Judas Priest recommendations. Will definitely check those out. If they did a DVD for the Unleashed in the East- era I would be first in line to get it. I hear that Electric Eye doesn't even have Halford singing!!! WTF!!!!

Why are so many of these DVD's so highly priced? Metallica? F@#$ing expensive for a concert DVD. I've seen them twice in concert but shelling out $120 CDN for a concert DVD is harsh!

We definitely need more quality metal DVD's at a decent price.


I agree on the Maiden comment - I found R in Rio had way too much new stuff.

As mentioned before, I think Electric Eye has Halford, but it was in the "Turbo" era. You might be thinking about a recent live DVD out with Ripper Owens (Live in London I think).

Check out DeepDiscountDVD.com for Cunning Stunts. I picked it up for $21.65(US$) last month, shipped to Canada for $4.95 (for the entire 12 DVD order) & no duty. That was during the 20% off sale, but it's still a bargain at around $27.00.

I'm very interested in anything by Iron Maiden, particularly any that highlight their early work (stopped listening to anything after Piece of Mind). I think their Rio concert is mostly new stuff right? Too bad if it is. Ahh, fond memories of front row seats around 1984.

I was at BB yesterday and saw a DVD called "Iron Maiden: The Early Days: Part 1". It was a 2 disc set and even had their first concert ever on there. Sadly, the audio was listed as only "Stereo". :(

There's a good review of it on Amazon. Due to it's length I won't post here...

Thanks ARoc & Wildman for the info!

I've now ordered:

JP- Electric Eye

Maiden- R. in Rio

Ozzy- Live at the Budakon (sp?)

Opeth- Lamentations


All based on reviews here. That should keep me busy for a few nights!

Keep up the great work!

I was at BB yesterday and saw a DVD called "Iron Maiden: The Early Days: Part 1". It was a 2 disc set and even had their first concert ever on there. Sadly, the audio was listed as only "Stereo". :(

There's a good review of it on Amazon. Due to it's length I won't post here...If you're at all a fan of early Iron Maiden, I suggest you run to the nearest store immediately and buy this. This is a model DVD release which has segments of three early Maiden concerts plus a nice documentary of the band. Sound and video varies but all in all it is a must buy for any fan. Basically covers the band from the beginning to the Piece of Mind album and tour.

Looks like a good buy. I saw it a few months back but it was very expensive ($40 CDN). I'll put it on my list of things to buy when I can afford it.




If you're at all a fan of early Iron Maiden, I suggest you run to the nearest store immediately and buy this. This is a model DVD release which has segments of three early Maiden concerts plus a nice documentary of the band. Sound and video varies but all in all it is a must buy for any fan. Basically covers the band from the beginning to the Piece of Mind album and tour.

Speaking of these DVD's...does anyone know if anyone out there sells old Headbangers Ball collections on DVD? I know occasionally you see some dude on EBAy who wants like $50 bucks for 2 hours of Headbangers Ball from 1988 but thats just nuts........

I've since come to realize that my musical interest pretty much stops around 1994 or so...after that its almost all under my radar.

I find myself listening to more and more early 80's NewWave stuff (anything with a synthesizer) because it sounds so "appealing" compared to the unmentionable glut of bad angry "alternative" garbage and Hip-Hop/Rap that just plagues the radio today.

Like alot of guys in the 80's I had that secret "respect" for alot of the synth-pop acts, even tho I didn't buy an album or anything. Its one of those "yeah this Duran Duran is totally gay...but...you know its kinda catchy". :D

Then I saw an interview where Alice Cooper admitted to the same thing....how as metal rockers you could never ADMIT to liking that stuff :D "Secretly you'd close the windows in the car and turn up the radio" :D

Hey, talking like that can get you banned from a Metal DVD thread!!! :p

I'm reminded of lyrics from the Barenaked Ladies:

"I tried out for the football team to prove that I'm a man, I guess I shouldn't have told them that I like Duran Duran".

Most of those bands sucked then and I find that, with time, maturity, and a greater appreciation and understanding of the genre, that they still suck. :D

Metal rules!





I find myself listening to more and more early 80's NewWave stuff (anything with a synthesizer) because it sounds so "appealing" compared to the unmentionable glut of bad angry "alternative" garbage and Hip-Hop/Rap that just plagues the radio today.

Like alot of guys in the 80's I had that secret "respect" for alot of the synth-pop acts, even tho I didn't buy an album or anything. Its one of those "yeah this Duran Duran is totally gay...but...you know its kinda catchy". :D

Then I saw an interview where Alice Cooper admitted to the same thing....how as metal rockers you could never ADMIT to liking that stuff :D "Secretly you'd close the windows in the car and turn up the radio" :D

Based on recommendations here I viewed two newly purchased metal concert DVD's.

I was pleasantly surprized by Ozzy's "Live at the Budokan". Zakk Wylde is awesome. Anyone else recognize the bass player is the one from Metallica's "Some kind of Monster" documentary who gets picked up by Metallica? SQ is very good and PQ was very respectable. Ozzy still has the magic voice though his stage peformance is showing his deterioration. Highly recommended.

Iron Maiden "Rock in Rio" was a disappointment. This was one of my favorite bands (I still own LP's with various Eddie renditions printed on them) but they went downhill quickly after the first five or six totally awesome albums. The song list is regrettably padded with music from their later releases, most of which I promptly skipped through after being unable to tolerate it for more than 20 seconds or so. What saves this disk is that it is Iron Maiden and they do play enough older material to make this a buy if you are a fan. Hell, I could just let it loop on "Wrathchild" or "The trooper" and be happy with that! The crowd is also mixed in too heavily but this may simply be a loud "Rio" factor as I have the same complaint about Rush's "Live in Rio". The audio on this disc is below average but very listenable.

Rock on!

If you're at all a fan of early Iron Maiden, I suggest you run to the nearest store immediately and buy this. This is a model DVD release which has segments of three early Maiden concerts plus a nice documentary of the band. Sound and video varies but all in all it is a must buy for any fan. Basically covers the band from the beginning to the Piece of Mind album and tour.


More on the Maiden front - their current tour is in support of this DVD. The entire set is from their first 4 albums.
They also have a new DVD in the works filmed during their last tour - hard to say how good the set list will be, but I assume the AQ & PQ will be first rate.

I'm afraid more disappointment on the DVD front. Check out the song list from the Iron Maiden website:

http://www.ironmaiden.com/article.php?section=1&subsection=1&article_type=&article_id=1139

Even worse than the Rio DVD. :(


More on the Maiden front - their current tour is in support of this DVD. The entire set is from their first 4 albums.
They also have a new DVD in the works filmed during their last tour - hard to say how good the set list will be, but I assume the AQ & PQ will be first rate.

Maiden came around here a couple years ago on a tour doing all their classics, I think they wanted to RETIRE alot of them, and focus on the Post-80's music (which I dont really care for, the little I've actually heard).

Aren't they currently touring on Ozzfest or something? it came through CT and I didn't even know about it (i haven't been to a metal show in ages).....I know when they came through solo last year or 2 years ago the turnout was pretty underwhelming.

I would have gone but it was really awful weather here that night and they were playing a semi-outdoor venue, i said "bork that!"

Maiden came around here a couple years ago on a tour doing all their classics, I think they wanted to RETIRE alot of them, and focus on the Post-80's music (which I dont really care for, the little I've actually heard).

Aren't they currently touring on Ozzfest or something? it came through CT and I didn't even know about it (i haven't been to a metal show in ages).....I know when they came through solo last year or 2 years ago the turnout was pretty underwhelming.

I would have gone but it was really awful weather here that night and they were playing a semi-outdoor venue, i said "bork that!"

They did a reunion tour when Dickinson rejoined the band (greatest hits tour) and are now on their 3rd tour since then (supporting Brave New World, Dance of Death and now Early Days). The Brave New World tour was interesting - Dickinson seemed very defensive at the Toronto show, snapping at the crowd that they were going to play lots of new material. The best part of that gig was the debut of "Halford" - I think it was the first show of their first tour & they were awesome.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to an unhealthy dose of early Maiden tomorrow night in TO.

A-roc

So how was the concert?

With all the BS thats been going on with them and Ozzfest and whatnot, I'm getting this weird feeling that Dickenson, whom I respect, is a bit peeved off that they can't seem to attract the same audience they used to, kinda like Maidens best days are behind them.

A-roc

So how was the concert?


It was very good, although the sound system seemed a little overwhelmed - fairly muddy at times. I've seen them more times than I can count over the years & they've always been a very tight live act, so the poor sound came as a surprise.

As billed, they only played stuff from the first 4 albums. Great set list.

It was very good, although the sound system seemed a little overwhelmed - fairly muddy at times. I've seen them more times than I can count over the years & they've always been a very tight live act, so the poor sound came as a surprise.

As billed, they only played stuff from the first 4 albums. Great set list.

I hope they do a DVD based on the first 4 albums show they are touring with. That would be awesome (with good sound of course).

Anyone have any Anthrax live DVDs?

It looks like they are touring with their original lineup & have released a live DVD.

try NIGHTWISH - FROM WISHES TO ETERNITY - DVD/VHS/CD (2001)

it's opera, it' melodic - all in the glory of metal!

never liked opera-ish stuff - but after i saw this i was hooked - simply because they play most of the materials from their Wishmaster album, and the level of musicianship they portray is really outstanding. Actually the songs from this DVD are so melodic that you tend to have it ringing and playing in your ear after a few watch / listen - but maybe that's just me!

Anyways - to me Maiden's Rock in Rio was okay. I think after a few watch and listen, you tend to accept the 'new' sound of Iron Maiden. But nothing could beat The Trooper or 2 Mins to Midnight, I tell you that! Old skool still rocks!

Just got to see Kreator play a few weeks back - gosh, they're dark and brutal than ever. Their first ever Asian appearance. I can only say one thing - Wow!

Got to listen the new album 'Enemy of God' too after that- and surprisingly, they sound a bit more into the zone of Iron Maiden nowadays with those melodic guitar riffs and solos. Still, the 'angst' that you could find in their early album like Extereme Aggressions is still there.

Heck, a DVD of their concert would sure be a 'pleasureble' pain to see...and in their terms, this is a good thing indeed!

Back to the main topic - get Nightwish. Then try Within Temptation and all those female fronted goth-metal bands that are rising from graves...oh...Europe now. You'd be impressed! The melody, the singing, the musicianship - Majestic!

Now I really wanna catch that Opeth dvd after my read here....never heard of them actually. thanks for the suggestion. But I feel like I'm gonna like it...

No exactly HEAVY but one DVD I ran across that really impressed me(and I'm into Fear Factory, Fates warning,Anthrax, etc) was TRIUMPH Live at the US Festival. I had almost forgotten just how good they were live. And the quality of the video and the sound is outstanding!! I couldn't belive how well it was shot and recorded. It was recorded Memorial Day weekend 1983 in Glen Helen Park, CA before 500,000 people. It does have a couple interviews but it's about all live. It was also remastered in THREE audio options from the original master tapes, 5.1 DTS, 5.1 Dolby Digital and 2.0 stereo. It's 2hrs 3 mins of classic metal and flawless. Made by TML Entertainment. I think I found it by accident at Best Buy a year ago or so.
I'd still like to find some other old classics like this from some of the great metal/ Rock bands. Like Lynch Mob or Micheal Schenker.

I also have both live DIO DVD's that are great. Sacred Heart and Evil or Devine.

rush in rio is cool if your a fan but it seems to have no bass, no uumph. i have queensrych operation live crime and some dream theater on the way..............

There's a new SlipKnot live DVD coming out this month (at least it should be this month). I've seen the playlist and it's a little disappointing.

I find it really cool that 2 of my favorite bands seem to be mentioned quite frequently on this thread, ok now for my humble opinion. Rock in Rio by Maiden is a great DVD, and I actually think that "Dream of Mirrors" holds up really well with their older hits, this song starts out slow and builds into a epic song. If I have one major problem with this DVD it's the editing, I may be exaggerating but it seems like there is no camera shot that lasts longer than 3 seconds, although I am not a musician, I really love to watch the instrumentalists at work, and it just doesn't really let you watch them play their instruments.

Dream Theater has several DVD's out, but "Live at Budokan" is probably one of my favorites just because of the video and sound quality alone. Somebody earlier on this thread mentioned that Dream Theater was a good DVD for him since his wife enjoyed them also, you may want to consider the "Metropolis Part 2, Scenes from a Memory" DVD if you don't have it already, it has a few metal like songs, but mostly alot of melodic and dreamy type songs, plus it is also telling a story, pretty much a rock opera. I saw Dream Theater, Megadeth, Symphony X and a host of other bands on the Gigantour this summer and there will be a DVD release in the near future, something to look out for.

Not sure If Motley Crue is considerd Metal...but back in May...I was at a live dvd taping locally that will be out towards the end of this month

Then a couple weeks back...I took my 13 year old son and some of freinds to Systym of a Down which sounds like metal to me....and they also recorded live for an upcoming video...and/or dvd.

I dreaded the SOAD concert....but they kicked butt on everyone of there 30 songs played.

There's a new SlipKnot live DVD coming out this month (at least it should be this month). I've seen the playlist and it's a little disappointing.

That's too bad... I was hoping they would have a DVD out soon. Was the songlist mostly from the subliminal verses album?

I like this band and would love to see them do their thing live.

FYI the part 2 DVD, "Maiden the later years", is rumored to contain the entire "Live after death" concert. I'm sure all fans will agree that this wopuld be the definative Maiden DVD. I'm not sure I want to spend another dime on maiden tho. Bruce stated a while back that they were going for the younger Ozzfest crowd, and wished his older middle aged fans would stop showing up at the shows. He has no use for them! After the ozzfest disaster and lack of intrest from the kiddies, I wonder if he regrets putting all of Maidens eggs in one basket. I love the old tunes, but that guy is a true jerk!

I picked up "In Flames - Used & Abused: In Live We Trust"

Great concert DVD. Comes in DD 5.1. There are 2 concerts on the DVD set. Live from Hammersmith and Live from Sticky Fingers. Hammersmith is a great open and big concert. The Sticky Fingers concert is very tight and cramped, but really conveys the intensity of the band when they are surrounded with 250 fans (all the place could fit). On the 2nd disc they have a bunch of their videos.

Oh and I also forgot to mention, I also picked up "Iced Earth - Gettysburg (1863)"

It is not necessarily a concert DVD, but more of a music DVD. The three epic songs about the 3 days of the battle of Gettysburg is played out with incredible surround sound and great visuals of the battlefields, cannon fire, video from renactments, old photographs etc. It's a great watch and you also get a good history lesson on top of that. I enjoyed it a lot because I am a big history nut.

FYI the part 2 DVD, "Maiden the later years", is rumored to contain the entire "Live after death" concert. I'm sure all fans will agree that this wopuld be the definative Maiden DVD. I'm not sure I want to spend another dime on maiden tho. Bruce stated a while back that they were going for the younger Ozzfest crowd, and wished his older middle aged fans would stop showing up at the shows. He has no use for them! After the ozzfest disaster and lack of intrest from the kiddies, I wonder if he regrets putting all of Maidens eggs in one basket. I love the old tunes, but that guy is a true jerk!

I heard that rumour too and you're right, Live after Death would be the definitive concert DVD for Maiden.

I've also heard that AC DC might release "Let There Be Rock - Live in Paris" on DVD (since they didn't use any of the footage from that movie in the Family Jewels set).

Now all we need are DVD releases of Double Live Gonzo, Kiss Alive & All The Worlds A Stage.

So, what genre of metal would you describe this "Metal Concert DVD"? Thrash? Death metal? Please be more specific to help the thread readers assess whether they should pick this up to supplement their "Metal Concert DVD's". :cool:



Oh and I also forgot to mention, I also picked up "Iced Earth - Gettysburg (1863)"

It is not necessarily a concert DVD, but more of a music DVD. The three epic songs about the 3 days of the battle of Gettysburg is played out with incredible surround sound and great visuals of the battlefields, cannon fire, video from renactments, old photographs etc. It's a great watch and you also get a good history lesson on top of that. I enjoyed it a lot because I am a big history nut.

So, what genre of metal would you describe this "Metal Concert DVD"? Thrash? Death metal? Please be more specific to help the thread readers assess whether they should pick this up to supplement their "Metal Concert DVD's". :cool:
These three songs could be considered progressive orchestral metal. Classic metal blended with the Prague Philharmonic. The lead singer is Tim "Ripper" Owens. You may know him from when he took over for Rob Halford in Judas Priest. He has an incredible voice and it really works great in the 3 songs explaining the battle. Normally Iced Earth is not orchestral at all, but this is an exception. On the 2nd disc, their video for "When the Eagle Cries", an acoustic song that is their tribute to the tragic 9/11 event. Also included is the video for "The Reckoning" which is a thrash metal song. Overall Iced Earth is considered a traditional metal band. Thier style is all over the place.

Okay thanks for the clarification.

I've seen/heard Ripper Owens on JP's Live in London DVD. He did a great job on the JP material.

These three songs could be considered progressive orchestral metal. Classic metal blended with the Prague Philharmonic. The lead singer is Tim "Ripper" Owens. You may know him from when he took over for Rob Halford in Judas Priest. He has an incredible voice and it really works great in the 3 songs explaining the battle. Normally Iced Earth is not orchestral at all, but this is an exception. On the 2nd disc, their video for "When the Eagle Cries", an acoustic song that is their tribute to the tragic 9/11 event. Also included is the video for "The Reckoning" which is a thrash metal song. Overall Iced Earth is considered a traditional metal band. Thier style is all over the place.

Speaking of Priest, "Rising in the East" is scheduled for release on Nov 15th.
Live DVD filmed in Budokan from their latest tour (which was fantastic).

Nevermore may be coming out with a new concert DVD soon. This was fresh news to me, so I thought I would pass it along if there are any fans out there. I was at their show, last night at Jaxx in Springfield, VA. They said they were taping the Jaxx concert for an uponcoming DVD release.

Is it really lived or maybe filmed in front of a blue screen??? ;)

I love JP but the whole fraud thing surrounding "unleashed in the east" was a major disappointment. Too bad as I think it is their best recording.

Speaking of Priest, "Rising in the East" is scheduled for release on Nov 15th.
Live DVD filmed in Budokan from their latest tour (which was fantastic).

Is it really lived or maybe filmed in front of a blue screen??? ;)

I love JP but the whole fraud thing surrounding "unleashed in the east" was a major disappointment. Too bad as I think it is their best recording.


I'd bet most "live" albums have had some tweaks during the mixing process and I'm sure this one will be no exception.
I can tell you that Halford & the rest of the band still sound great live, having seen them each of the past two summers.

There's tweaks and then there's fraud. Unleashed in the East was a studio album with screaming fans mixed in to make it sound live. To their credit, I believe they did single take recordings to capture the 'live' experience. I still love this album but it was presented as a live album when it was in fact a studio recording. Looking forward to this DVD though, nearly pulled the trigger on the one with Ripper Owens but now will wait for the real deal.

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try 'Evergrey - A Night To Remember' dvd concert, recorded circa 2004. awesome prog/black metal band from Europe. The lead singer is great, and his guitar prowess is even greater - he shreds and did appregio licks like he's been born to do it. The band's musicianship is true awesome! Salute!

I think this dvd has gotten lots of rave reviews from metal magazines everywhere - do check it out!

Anyone seen this yet? Please comment!

Speaking of Priest, "Rising in the East" is scheduled for release on Nov 15th.
Live DVD filmed in Budokan from their latest tour (which was fantastic).

Rock in Rio is a great DVD for older fans and newer ones alike, The production values are awesome, it sounds fat and huge and the musicianship is spot-on considering their heyday was almost 20 years ago.

Steve Harris took over editing duties for the DVD, and I think it suffers for it - he's too close to the material and he cuts and jumps between the members more than I would like.

But I love the new stuff - after seeing them live after Brave New World I started to appreciate their new songs - I especially like "Fear of the Dark". Seeing all those crazy Maiden fans in Rio reminds me of the glory days in the 80's, when Maiden had huge sets and inflatables and they ruled the roost along with Priest and AC/DC and Ozzy.

In the spirit of the title of this thread, is there any greater Metal DVD than the Led Zeppelin set? Would there even have been "metal" as we know if if it weren't for Led Zep (Black Sabbath not withstanding)?

Anyone seen this yet? Please comment!


I went to 5 different stores on Tuesday & none of them had it. I guess they needed to save shelf space to hold their 600 copies of the latest Usher DVD.
The best moment was when I asked a young clerk to check his computer to see if they were expecting it - I needed to spell Judas for him (he didn't know what band I was talking about).

Here's a sneek peek to tide you over:

http://www.rhino.com/retrovid/VideoKeeper.lasso?Artist=Judas%20Priest

I just don't know.......Would it be better to go with older classic concerts of your favorite bands with

So so video
ok audio
1.33 fullscreen
goofy stage moves
but the band in there prime!!!!



or



Newer concerts with:

HD video cameras
widescreen presentation
Perhaps better audio
less goofy stuff
but with old men wearing leather?


Anyone else have this conflict?

No Conflict
No Contest
Give me a band in their prime
End of discussion for me!!!

Of course we all want the best of all worlds but I would take a band in their prime with a kick$ss performance over aging rockers going through the motions. There are tradeoffs as was mentioned but consider the Led Zepplin DVD that has some of the best sound I've heard in a concert even though some of the footage was in the early 70's! The video sucks but it is tolerable and shows the band at their height.

That being said I have seen a few well done aging rocker concert DVD's. Billy Idol's VH1 Storytellers is a great example (minus the storytelling which is fodder for my fast forward button). But he does great new arrangements (largely acoustic) of classic songs and he clearly can still sing (I was shocked at how well this guy can actually sing). Steve Stevens kicks serious but on the guitar.

On the other end of the spectrum we get the Rolling Stones with aging nearly dead rockers who miss half their chords and flub around making fools of themselves in near HD quality video (Four Flicks DVD). Something like one of ACDC concerts falls somewhere in between (e.g., Stiff Upper Lip) with a great performance and great PQ SQ but they look old which detracts a bit from the effect.

So, my order of preference is:

1. Performance (come big or stay home on the peformance side)
2. Content (do I like this band and their music? I have bought enough great looking/sounding concerts that bored me to tears- the Eagles? What was I thinking????
3. Audio (I want good sounding concert. Pretty pictures alone won't do it.
4. Direction (Is the director turning the concert into a speed junkie ADD experience or do they linger long enough on their subjects to actually enjoy the concert). A nice example of how it should be done is Metallica's Cunning Stunts (excellent crane work, long shots, focusing on who is doing something interesting in the music, good use of audience shots without getting gratuitous etc.).
5. Picture Quality. Looking nice helps put me in the audience but it is down on my list.

Since performance and content are high on my list the vintage footage is often favored but not always. When you get it all in one package then you have a concert to treasure.


No Conflict
No Contest
Give me a band in their prime
End of discussion for me!!!

Anyone else have this conflict?I do, constantly.

I love Deep Purple. Played most of Machine Head in my band in the 70's. A friend of mine used to live with Ritchie Blackmore, she toured with him when he started Rainbow. I was lucky enough to be backstage for a few of the Perfect Strangers reunion tour shows. Great stuff.

Blackmore blows a fuse awhile back, quits in the middle of a tour. Joe Satriani (!) is asked to fill in for the remainder of the shows, mostly in Asia.

Afterwards, the incredibly talented Steve Morse joins the band, replacing Blackmore. Something about his youthful (well, compared to the rest of them) exuberent style, combined with the fact that he is American, winds them up and they play with a new-found passion.

They write some cool songs together (my personal favorite - "Sometimes I Feel Like Screaming") and hit the road. Several tours, three DVDs follow. I buy them all.

Mixed blessing to say the least. Morse is amazing. Ian Gillan likes to drink, and it's taken its toll on his voice. Most of the band's performance is stellar - Gillan's is not. High notes can't be hit. Historical swagger cannot be delivered. Hard to ignore Gillan, he's the singer. But his performances on some of the songs are cringe-worthy. They gave me a new-found respect for Journey's decision to go forward with Steve Augeri when Steve Perry hemmed-and-hawed about going out again.

I love my updated 5.1 version of COncert for Bangladesh, grainy video and all. Great show, great performances (Leon Russell's "Jumping Jack Flash/Youngblood medley" slays me) and a nice time-capsule of a lost era make it all worth while.

That being said - if the artists have aged gracefully, maintained or honed their chops and have a great band - then get those HD cams in there and give us some kick-*ss 16:9 Hi Def, DTS 5.1 or greater Surround and keep the price reasonable.

I love the 2001 Eric Clapton "One More Rider One More Car" DVD, and Peter Frampton staged his concert in Detroit specifically for 5.1 DVD release - his best US City historically for an enthusiatic crowd, stage designed for ease of camera movement front, back and sides to capture the best angles of the performances. Pre-production for the audio was designed for 5.1 at the FOH position, and he used a great remote truck (the original NY Record Plant Remote, with a super-fat analog API console to capture the essence of the sound he was after). He then handed off the mix chores to 5.1 savvy Chuck Ainlay, and the result is magic. Even the kick, tom and snare intro to "Money" used in the DVD menus is enough to show off any home theatre audio system proudly.

So I guess that is my long-winded way to say I'd like my idols to stay in shape, take care of their bodies/voices/talents, surround themselves with good musicians that inspire them to play better (or at least keep them on their toes) and plan the DVD production beforehand, using the best technology available to them at the time.

I bought the Priest DVD and I love it.

The video is not great; it seems like they just used the standard cameras that feed the Jumbotron. It's 4:3.

The DTS sounds pretty good. Scott's drums are thundering and Ian's bass has a cool tone.

The performance is INCREDIBLE! Rob is still the Metal God. It was pretty much the same setlist as the show I saw in San Antonio over the summer with the addition of "The Ripper".
"Victim of Changes" sounds every bit as good here as it sounds on Unleashed in the Studi..... err, East. He doesn't try to hit most of the high notes during "Exiter", but it still sounds killer.

If you are a fan, BUY THIS DVD. Don't let the 4:3 be a dealbreaker.

Ok, here's something different. As some may be aware, Yngwie J. Malmsteen released a dvd called "Concerto Suite for Electric Guitar and Orchestra". The dvd contains Yngwie playing his guitar along with The New Japan Philharmonic Orchestra. He wrote all the parts which include.

1. BLACK STAR OVERTURE
2. TRILOGY SUITE OP. 5
3. BROTHERS
4. ICARUS DREAM FANFARE
5. CAVALLINO RAMPANTE
6. FUGUE
7. PRELUDE TO APRIL
8. TOCCATA
9. ANDANTE
10. SARABANDE
11. ALLEGRO
12. ADAGIO
13. VIVACE
14. PRESTO VIVACE
15. FINALE
16. BLITZKRIEG
17. FAR BEYOND THE SUN
18. EVIL EYE

I've been very interested in hearing this work for a while. This dvd has been an import and has been quite expensive at $54. It now appears that the dvd was released to the US a few days ago and can be had for a very low price!

There are less painful ways to torture yourself for $54.

It's becomming apparent that I'm the only one around that grew up in the early 80's. Two slams in one day. I always thought the music was so much better than what my father listened to, IE 'Sha- Na-Na, and "The Big Bopper"!!!!! I know that Yngwie not everyone's cup of tea, but I'm trying to put together a concert collection from that time period, and there's not much out there. Playing a ACDC or Judas Priest concert over and over gets old after a while. I need new titles!

THD,

You are not the only 80's metalhead around here. Look what it says under my screen name. I'll probably netflix that Yngwie DVD. I saw him a few years ago in Dallas and he kicked ass. He's also good on that G3 DVD from a couple years ago.

I remember when his first Rising Force record came out and he won all those Guitar World polls. My teacher at the time hated Yngwie because "that Swede steals from Blackmore and just speeds it up". GilWave might know him.

Years ago I was having drinks with a friend who had just finished doing a record with Mr. Malmsteen. I asked him what it was like to work with him.

He said "Well, there's three ways of doing things - your way, my way, and Yngwie"

Yngwie is an egomaniacal, million-notes-a-minute grandstander. That doesn't mean he is not talented. But what could be more pompous than "Concerto Suite for Electric Guitar and Orchestra"? The only guitarist more arrogant is Maestro Alex Gregory. Your best bet is the small doses available on the "G3 Live in Denver" DVD.

You want '80's guitar heroes, check out George Lynch in his Dokken heyday, Randy Rhodes short-lived career with Ozzy, and Steve Vai's work with Frank Zappa - hard to find on video, but it's out there (too bad there are no DVDs of Steve's stint with PIL)

That's too bad... I was hoping they would have a DVD out soon. Was the songlist mostly from the subliminal verses album?

I like this band and would love to see them do their thing live.

There are songs from Subliminal Verses but I would have included more. It's almost a complete copy of the Distasterpieces tour which they already have a DVD for. My biggest problem with this live disc is that Corey's voice sounds terrible. If they know they're going to do a live recording, you would think they would make sure it was their best show. Almost makes me not want to buy the new DVD after hearing the CD's of the same recording.

I think it is fair to say that most of the readers/participants of this thread were fans of the 80's or they wouldn't be here (since most of the original metal movement happened in that decade).

An interesting comparison of old versus new concerts is Black Sabbath's Never say Die from 1978 and compare that with Ozzy's Live at the Budokan. Ozzy is clearly barely functional but his voice is actually better on the newer DVD (I think he was a bit out of it on the 1978 performance). And as much as I loved seeing and hearing the old Sabbath lineup, Ozzy's band were vastly superior musicians. Tony Iommi is not in the same league as Zack Wylde (mind you Zack can get tiresome with his endless embellishment of high pitched squawks, not to mention his unfortunate spitting habit).

Ozzy is clearly barely functional but his voice is actually better on the newer DVD (I think he was a bit out of it on the 1978 performance).His voice was overdubbed for the Budokan show - anyone who's seen Ozzy live recently, especially later into a tour, knows he doesn't sing like that.

And as much as I loved seeing and hearing the old Sabbath lineup, Ozzy's band were vastly superior musicians.Boy, isn't that the truth! Randy, Jake, Zakk - incredible.

Tony Iommi is not in the same league as Zack Wylde

That's cuz Zakk has all of his fingers! :D Zakk is one of the best guitarists I have ever seen live. His Dimebag tribute on the last tour was very moving.

Years ago I was having drinks with a friend who had just finished doing a record with Mr. Malmsteen. I asked him what it was like to work with him.

He said "Well, there's three ways of doing things - your way, my way, and Yngwie"

Yngwie is an egomaniacal, million-notes-a-minute grandstander. That doesn't mean he is not talented. But what could be more pompous than "Concerto Suite for Electric Guitar and Orchestra"? The only guitarist more arrogant is Maestro Alex Gregory. Your best bet is the small doses available on the "G3 Live in Denver" DVD.

You want '80's guitar heroes, check out George Lynch in his Dokken heyday, Randy Rhodes short-lived career with Ozzy, and Steve Vai's work with Frank Zappa - hard to find on video, but it's out there (too bad there are no DVDs of Steve's stint with PIL)

All those guy's are great, but where are the concerts? I've tried boots, and I just can't live with that quality! To date, Judas priest is the only legit full metal concert from the early 80's that I've found. I've become desparate and have even considered the badly reviewed Cinderella concert DVD. Us early 80's metal heads are getting a raw deal. I just hope and dream that a full pro shot concert of Randy Rhodes during the Diary tour will surface. That would would be a great start!

All those guy's are great, but where are the concerts?On Laser Disc and (gasp) VHS.

I bought the Priest DVD and I love it.

The video is not great; it seems like they just used the standard cameras that feed the Jumbotron. It's 4:3.

The DTS sounds pretty good. Scott's drums are thundering and Ian's bass has a cool tone.

The performance is INCREDIBLE! Rob is still the Metal God. It was pretty much the same setlist as the show I saw in San Antonio over the summer with the addition of "The Ripper".
"Victim of Changes" sounds every bit as good here as it sounds on Unleashed in the Studi..... err, East. He doesn't try to hit most of the high notes during "Exiter", but it still sounds killer.

If you are a fan, BUY THIS DVD. Don't let the 4:3 be a dealbreaker.

Bang on review.
Finally picked this up. The video is surprisingly poor, but the sound & performance makes it a must own. Why they wouldn't film this in widescreen is beyond me (not to mention the terrible reds in most songs).
This DVD is the exception in the "old technology concert in their prime vs. new technology concert by older musicians" dilemma - Priest looks & sounds as good as ever, and the setlist is great. I miss Genocide & Tyrant (and could have done without Diamonds & Rust), but the tunes from the latest album are as good as any in their catalog.
As Re-Animator said, if your a fan, BUY THIS DVD.

Man, I just don't know. My big reason for getting another Priest concert DVD would have been for the sharper widescreen video. It seems that Memphis or priest live, which both sound good too, would be better picks if the video has no improvemnet on the new one? Of course some fans would want all the Priest concerts thay can get there hands on! I'm bummed about this......

THD

I VCR'd the Memphis show when it was on MTV way back in the day and wore out the tape. I bought Live when it came out on VHS, and was disappointed because it didn't stack up to Memphis performance- or setlist-wise. I would have been leery of this one too if I hadn't had my ass kicked by Priest this past summer (and at '04 Ozzfest).

Don't worry about the 4:3 video. The DTS, setlist, and above all, the performance make this DVD a must-own if you are a true Defender of the Faith.

Re-Animator

Did you get the DVD of Memphis that came in the Box set?

Thom

I don't have the box set yet because I still have all the records and CDs. I might get it after Christmas just for the DVD, but I don't know. I have to wear out the new DVD first. \m/

Man, I just don't know. My big reason for getting another Priest concert DVD would have been for the sharper widescreen video. It seems that Memphis or priest live, which both sound good too, would be better picks if the video has no improvemnet on the new one?Bought Rising in the East for my wife for Christmas (she loves them ever since I took her to see them back in 1983).

She's out of town this week, the kids are at school so I decided to crank it up this morning. Very good performance considering the age of these guys and the lifestyles they've led.

Drums sound good and fat, although the cymbals are a little smooshed in the mix. On this particluar DVD, I prefer the Dolby 5.1 mix to the DTS (usually for me it's the opposite).

I know they were out promoting a new album, but in addition to using Hi Def cameras I would have liked to see more of their older material, Green Manalishi for example. This renewed lineup and decent recording technology would have been a good time to revisit their Greatest Hits live.

Halford is in great voice, guitars and bass sound great, good use of the LFE channel. Band is enthusiastic as is the audience. A great buy for $14.99!!

Highly recommended.

Bought the Opeth Lamentations concert based on recommendations here and thought it was very weak. The musicianship is okay although the growling set was just too growly for me. The pace of this concert is the worst I've ever seen. I think the lead singer was nervous and he kept trying to chat with the audience but it all was pretty lame and sooooooooo slow! That and they spend a good minute just re-tuning their guitars between each song. The result is a very poorly paced concert and the crowd is obviously suffering through it.

Anyway, if you are not an Opeth fan, I suspect this DVD won't make you one.

Bought the Opeth Lamentations concert based on recommendations here and thought it was very weak. The musicianship is okay although the growling set was just too growly for me. The pace of this concert is the worst I've ever seen. I think the lead singer was nervous and he kept trying to chat with the audience but it all was pretty lame and sooooooooo slow! That and they spend a good minute just re-tuning their guitars between each song. The result is a very poorly paced concert and the crowd is obviously suffering through it.

Anyway, if you are not an Opeth fan, I suspect this DVD won't make you one.

I really enjoyed this concert DVD. I liked how they broke the songs into 2 different sets. I like the laid back music in the beginning from the "Damnation" album, with a song or two from other albums thrown in. Then the next set they came out and it was like a kick in the teeth compared to the first set of songs. For those who never have heard Opeth before are in for a surprise if they expect the second set to be sung like Mike did in the first set. Mike Akerfeldt has the best death metal growls I have ever heard. He makes it look so easy with his ability to go from his great regular singing voice to his demonic growls just within one song.
When I saw them a few months ago, the pace of the concert was up a little from the concert DVD, but not too much. Either way, the concert DVD is one of the best ways to catch them if you can't see them live.

I enjoyed the new Priest DVD very much, glad I held out til the boys were back together. But was anyone else annoyed at the butchering of Victim of Changes? Don't get me wrong, they do an amazing job except for the embarrassingly stupid three note 2 minute solo in the middle. It's enough to make a grown man cry to see such a classic song done so well only to be torpedoed by this sheer stupidity. Somebody slap Tipton (or was it Downing?). I felt like a victim of their changes.

(Sob...)

I may have been overly critical as I just didn't like their music very much. Just the stage show was the most boring thing I've seen on a concert and I own about 50 concert DVD's. I've seen garage bands with more charisma. And the lead singer switching from a soft voice to the voice of death actually made them sound like frauds. I think the soft voice is the real guy and the growling looked like posing to me. Very very disappointing. If I want to hear neat voice changes I'll throw on my old LP of Wendy O'Williams of the Plasmatics. At least with her you get interesting outfits made of electrical tape. Or maybe King Diamond?

Did I mention I didn't like this DVD??? :p On a positive note there was some decent guitar playing. It should sound good given all the tuning they were doing throughout the concert (damn the negatives just keep creeping in today).

I really enjoyed this concert DVD. I liked how they broke the songs into 2 different sets. I like the laid back music in the beginning from the "Damnation" album, with a song or two from other albums thrown in. Then the next set they came out and it was like a kick in the teeth compared to the first set of songs. For those who never have heard Opeth before are in for a surprise if they expect the second set to be sung like Mike did in the first set. Mike Akerfeldt has the best death metal growls I have ever heard. He makes it look so easy with his ability to go from his great regular singing voice to his demonic growls just within one song.
When I saw them a few months ago, the pace of the concert was up a little from the concert DVD, but not too much. Either way, the concert DVD is one of the best ways to catch them if you can't see them live.

I may have been overly critical as I just didn't like their music very much. Just the stage show was the most boring thing I've seen on a concert and I own about 50 concert DVD's. I've seen garage bands with more charisma. And the lead singer switching from a soft voice to the voice of death actually made them sound like frauds. I think the soft voice is the real guy and the growling looked like posing to me. Very very disappointing. If I want to hear neat voice changes I'll throw on my old LP of Wendy O'Williams of the Plasmatics. At least with her you get interesting outfits made of electrical tape. Or maybe King Diamond?

Did I mention I didn't like this DVD??? :p On a positive note there was some decent guitar playing. It should sound good given all the tuning they were doing throughout the concert (damn the negatives just keep creeping in today).

I guess you are not into the death growl vocals too much, because Mike Akerfeldt is considered in the genre to be one of the top, if not the best death metal vocalist out there. I also really enjoy his work in a side project death metal band called Bloodbath, with members from Katatonia and Edge of Sanity/Nightingale. I have been conversing with one of the band members and they really want him back for another album in Bloodbath, but it isn't happening due to scheduling/touring. They have never played a single concert until last year. And there is word that is on it's way to DVD.

True, there was a lot of fiddling around on stage for the guitars and such, that can really detract from the whole experience, but it sure makes up for the songs sounding absolutely incredible.

Oh, I know Wendy O'Williams very well. Same goes for King Diamond. I just wish there were some King Diamond or Mercyful Fate concert DVDs out there. I guess it would be more likely a King Diamond DVD would come out than a Mercyful Fate. There is a new DVD from Force of Evil which has members from Mercyful Fate and a singer that, at times, can sound a lot like King Diamond. Unfortunately, I have not had a chance to see it.

It's becomming apparent that I'm the only one around that grew up in the early 80's. Two slams in one day. I always thought the music was so much better than what my father listened to, IE 'Sha- Na-Na, and "The Big Bopper"!!!!! I know that Yngwie not everyone's cup of tea, but I'm trying to put together a concert collection from that time period, and there's not much out there. Playing a ACDC or Judas Priest concert over and over gets old after a while. I need new titles!
Unfortunately for you, the era of 80's Big Hair metal unfortunately represents a real low point in the history of music for many, and the lack of staying power and limited influence most of these bands have had on rock music may be a reason for the lack of stuff on DVD. While I like and respect Metallica as the true exception to the rule, there is very little from that era that is worth remembering. Of course, leave it to Motley Crue to "reform" and try to milk some DVD sales, which may grant your wish and spur a whole slew of reunifications.

Unfortunately for you, the era of 80's Big Hair metal unfortunately represents a real low point in the history of music for many, and the lack of staying power and limited influence most of these bands have had on rock music may be a reason for the lack of stuff on DVD. While I like and respect Metallica as the true exception to the rule, there is very little from that era that is worth remembering. Of course, leave it to Motley Crue to "reform" and try to milk some DVD sales, which may grant your wish and spur a whole slew of reunifications.


That is your opinion of course. I'm guessing you are over 50 or under 30. Every music era has crap music and embarrassing fashion faux pas. The fact is only a handful of acts ever sell much outside of their decade hey day. How many bands were there in the 70's? How many are still listened to in the mainstream? 1%? 2% Yes that 1 or 2% may be dear to you but for every one of those there are 99 bands that died in disco hell. May they rest in peace. The main difference is that demographics dictate that older music will get more play simply because there is a higher percentage of the population (boomers) who still listen to 60's and 70's music while the proportion of listeners who grew up on 80's music is relatively miniscule.

That is your opinion of course. I'm guessing you are over 50 or under 30. Every music era has crap music and embarrassing fashion faux pas. The fact is only a handful of acts ever sell much outside of their decade hey day. How many bands were there in the 70's? How many are still listened to in the mainstream? 1%? 2% Yes that 1 or 2% may be dear to you but for every one of those there are 99 bands that died in disco hell. May they rest in peace. The main difference is that demographics dictate that older music will get more play simply because there is a higher percentage of the population (boomers) who still listen to 60's and 70's music while the proportion of listeners who grew up on 80's music is relatively miniscule.
You are wrong about my age. Grew up in the heyday of my concert going years when I finally had a few dollars to spend right smack dab in the big hair cheese metal days of the 80's. I also completely disagree with you regard to why music lasts. There are a huge number of artists who became popular in the 60's and 70s that are still popular and/or influential today and it has very little to do with population or demographics--its all about talent and good music. There is a reason that even among the under 30 generation classic rock from the 60s and 70s still sells well and is sampled and stolen and repeated even in Amercian Idol programs. Its good stuff. Talent always wins out in the end. Think of the artists who have made continued and repeated lasting impacts--The Beatles, Dylan, The Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Neil Young, Springsteen, Velvet Underground, Brian Wilson, The Byrds, Aerosmith and on and on. Now, with the exception of Metallica, what artist or group from the Big Hair Metal 80's is going strong and influential and will continue to be for the next 10-20 years? Where is the Dylan, the N Young, the Springsteen of that era? With the exception of U2 and REM, which are really classic rock bands with roots and influences from the above named artists, where are the 80s bands that are still carrying the torch? Specifcally with regard to 80's hair metal, where are the timeless bands?

I maintain that in particular, the style of rock that was immensely popular in the 80s led by groups such as Cinderella, Poison, Great White, Whitesnake, Ratt etc was mainly due to style over substance due to the huge influence of MTV and the video generation. These bands made their living on crafting video friendly songs that could air repeatedly on TV, but had albums that were devoid of substance and talent for the most part. They were part of a fashion trend, not a real evolution in rock that was substantive or influential. When Nirvana came along, the Big Hair Cheese Metal of the 80's was killed off in one fell swoop just like that--almost overnight, lending credence to my theory that there was no musical foundation that these bands were built upon. It was the same thing that happened to disco, another example of a music trend that was built upon style over substance and was over almost instantaneously. Again, no talent or musical foundation to carry it forward into the future as influential.

Now, with the exception of Metallica, what artist or group from the Big Hair Metal 80's is going strong and influential and will continue to be for the next 10-20 years?

Metallica was never considered a hair band. They were a thrash band. They became bigger than their contemporaries (Anthrax, Death Angel, Testament) because they changed their style of music to suit the trends at the time. Their songs went from epic, complicated, almost "prog-thrash" to short, radio-friendly pop metal after their bassist died. Since they didn't wear hairspray and spandex, they avoided the post-hair fallout and continued selling records to the Spin Magazine-reading trend whores.

I maintain that in particular, the style of rock that was immensely popular in the 80s led by groups such as Cinderella, Poison, Great White, Whitesnake, Ratt etc was mainly due to style over substance due to the huge influence of MTV and the video generation. These bands made their living on crafting video friendly songs that could air repeatedly on TV, but had albums that were devoid of substance and talent for the most part. They were part of a fashion trend, not a real evolution in rock that was substantive or influential. When Nirvana came along, the Big Hair Cheese Metal of the 80's was killed off in one fell swoop just like that--almost overnight, lending credence to my theory that there was no musical foundation that these bands were built upon.

Nirvana didn't kill hair metal. Hair metal ate itself with a million copycat bands like Trixter and Warrant. Much like when the grunge movement fell to Nirvana soundalikes like Silverchair and Bush. The same is happening right now to nu-metal. Hopefully the hipster garage bands will suffer the same fate sooner than expected and make way for something I can stand to listen to.

Good point about Whitesnake. They were an unbelievably talented heavy blues band in the 70s and they went full-on hair in 1987. They rose to the top fast in the US and fell even faster. They are still touring, though. I'll go see them next time they come here. I hear they are playing a lot of their older stuff now and even play "Burn", which is one of my favorite Deep Purple songs.

Why is Metallica being lumped in with "hair metal"? They were thrash/speed metal which was a completely different scene with different bands, none of which got a lot of radio airplay or were seen on MTV outside of a 2-3 hour window on Saturday nights. Metallica should be compared with Megadeth, Testament, Exodus, Forbidden and to a lesser extent Anthrax and Slayer. I'd put the best of those bands up against the best of Metallica anyday. And don't forget Metallica only became commercially successful after reformulating their sound and losing a rather significant chunk of their original fan base.

And while hair metal is not really my thing, when I lived in LA it was clear that it was still very much alive and well. I figured it was just an LA thing but in Portland there's a half million tribute bands for these acts as well.

Then there's bands like The Darkness which lead me to believe in another 5 years it will be the late 80s all over again. Popular music is very cyclical.

A few weeks back there was an Iron Maiden tribute band on campus with hundreds in attendance, almost all under 25.

Some think Guns & Roses had some impact.

Bands like the Scorpions are also still respected. You mentioned U2 and REM already. Eurythmics are still popular. Other bands like ACDC had some of their best work in the early 80's.

The problem is you don't know the music of the 80's very well and stereotype it as all "big hair metal bands" when in fact there was a lot more going on. It was the beginning of the fractured audience where cliques got into their own genres and seldom crossed over much. Big hair bands like Poison or Cinderella were never respected by anyone who loved metal from the likes of Iron Maiden, ACDC or Metallica. They were caricatures of a trend not the trend itself. BTW Kiss was into big hair & makeup long before it became big in the 80's and they are still thought to be a good group.

Don't get me wrong, I love lots of stuff from the 60's & 70's but I am old enough to remember the 'disco sucks' era and watching the Stones do disco was just too much. Nobody is immune to trends and trends often look stupid 20 years later.

The problem is you don't know the music of the 80's very well and stereotype it as all "big hair metal bands" when in fact there was a lot more going on.Hey, Ozzy had his biggest success in the 80's, and he was bald for most of it! ;)

Would Whitesnake have come back in the 80's without Adrian Vandenberg or Steve Vai? And what about Yes' phenomenal 80's success once Trevor Rabin joined the band - there's plenty of examples out there.

A few weeks back there was an Iron Maiden tribute band on campus with hundreds in attendance, almost all under 25.

Some think Guns & Roses had some impact.

Bands like the Scorpions are also still respected. You mentioned U2 and REM already. Eurythmics are still popular. Other bands like ACDC had some of their best work in the early 80's.

The problem is you don't know the music of the 80's very well and stereotype it as all "big hair metal bands" when in fact there was a lot more going on. It was the beginning of the fractured audience where cliques got into their own genres and seldom crossed over much. Big hair bands like Poison or Cinderella were never respected by anyone who loved metal from the likes of Iron Maiden, ACDC or Metallica. They were caricatures of a trend not the trend itself. BTW Kiss was into big hair & makeup long before it became big in the 80's and they are still thought to be a good group.

Don't get me wrong, I love lots of stuff from the 60's & 70's but I am old enough to remember the 'disco sucks' era and watching the Stones do disco was just too much. Nobody is immune to trends and trends often look stupid 20 years later.
I think you're missing my point or I wasn't as clear as I should have been. I'm not saying all 80's music was bad because it was all Big Hair Metal. I was in my 20's in the 80's and thus in my prime CD buying and concert going days. There was plenty of good music in the 80's, alot of which was under the radar or not commercially successful. I am saying that one of the most commercially dominant forms of music which characterize the 80's was the success of what I call "cheese metal", and that style of music IMO was a real low point musically, as it was a genre which emphasized style over musical talent and substance, looks over musical prowess, and the ability to sell MTV videos over any songwriting ability.

U2 and REM were obviously bands influenced by the more classic rock of the 60s and 70s, filtered through the lens of punk to some extent. AC/DC was a 70's hard rock band that had success in the 80's, but I wouldn't classify them as a big hair metal band at all. And my point about Metallica was that they WERE they metal exception--one of the few metal bands that avoided the big hair cheesy cliches and avoided the MTV video crap until much later after they were well established, and most of all distinguished themselves from the Cinderellas and Poisons and Motley Crues etc because they DID have talent and chops.

I will give you Guns and Roses--they were a talented band that also avoided the big hair cheese chliches for the most part--again because they had some songwriting ability and some chops. In fact, they were a breath of fresh air I remember thinking at the time when I first saw them on the tube.

REM was in on the first wave of Alternative rock bands, also called College Rock, it was essentially a catchall phrase for more accessble punk and new wave bands (hardcore punk and New Wave was dying).

I was in college in the Deep South at the time, and REM would play at local bars under the false name "Dog Breath", so the place wouldnt get stampeded by REM fans.

Silly me, I never tried very hard to see REM even when they played 1 block away. I was more into this "boogie metal" that was popular in the Carolinas, danceable high energy guitar (aka Glenn Phillips), that style never really caught on unfortunately, but it did introduce me to dancing with guys, LOL (Moshing).

I always thought of REM as a direct descendant of The Byrds, like I said filtered through punk and new wave. Lyrically obviously very heavily influenced by Bob Dylan.
(ie compare Its the End of the World... to Subterranean Homesick Blues)

While these bands didn't start on Jan 1st 1980, some of there best and biggest and MOST Influential music was from the 80's. And with the exception of Van Halen, they are selling out today. By the way, you didn't need to have big hair to be part if the hair scene (aka Rob H from Judas Priest)

AC/DC - Big in the 70's - Huge in the 80's
Judas Priest -as above
Iron Madien - still going strong
Def Lepard - as above
Van Halen - All the best stuff (DLR) done in the 80's
Motley Crue - Still huge
OZZY

I always thought of REM as a direct descendant of The Byrds, like I said filtered through punk and new wave. Lyrically obviously very heavily influenced by Bob Dylan.
(ie compare Its the End of the World... to Subterranean Homesick Blues)
Actually Michael Stipe of REM was tremendously influenced by the B52s and Patti Smith ( Ive always loved her records and writing).

Patti Smith was profoundly influenced by Dylan though :)

While these bands didn't start on Jan 1st 1980, some of there best and biggest and MOST Influential music was from the 80's. And with the exception of Van Halen, they are selling out today. By the way, you didn't need to have big hair to be part if the hair scene (aka Rob H from Judas Priest)

AC/DC - Big in the 70's - Huge in the 80's
Judas Priest -as above
Iron Madien - still going strong
Def Lepard - as above
Van Halen - All the best stuff (DLR) done in the 80's
Motley Crue - Still huge
OZZY
AC/DC was a hard rock band from the 70's whose career extended into the 80s. No one I know would call them a metal band. And they certainly weren't a Big Hair metal band.

Van Halen was another band that started in the 70s, and in fact their best album (the first one) was from the 70s.

Ozzy Osborne is a 70s guy. And the fact that he was big in the 80's helps prove my point. clearly the most overrated rock singer in history......

although Judas Priest's lead singer might challenge him for that title.

The rest of the bands named are various degrees of cheese metal. Just because they sold a lot of records doesn't mean they were good. That's my point. There was a lot of garbage selling tons of records, and Big Hair Metal Cheese Rock was exhibit A. Just because Motley Crue "reformed" to make more cheese doesn't validate them except to show that they still have no talent.

Hmmm... so Iron Maiden is "cheese metal"?

Ozzy made consistently good albums through his years with Sabbath, from the guitar laden almost progressive self-titled first album called "Black Sabbath" in 1969, to the hugely popular Paranoid and Master Of Reality, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, even
"Never Say Die" was both unique and notable. His voice is tremendously unique and actually quite attractive to his fans.

Then he breaks off from Sabbath, and releases an album that contains "Crazy Train", "Mr Crowley", "Suicide Solution", and the incredible 8 minute piano/guitar masterpiece called "Revelation Mother Earth". While doing all this, Ozzy manages to hire Randy Rhodes, to infuse this album with energy unmatched to this day.

Ozzy whirls around the world putting on shows of incredible energy and guitar virtuosity, all the while making news with his harmless antics. Those who know his music know that he preaches "the good fight" every song.

So why is Ozzy, who is still a giant in the metal industry, so "over-rated"?

So why is Ozzy, who is still a giant in the metal industry, so "over-rated"?


Because he can't sing. For someone who doesn't like the sound of Neil Young's voice, Ozzy makes NY sound like Sinatra.

Hmmm... so Iron Maiden is "cheese metal"?
Less so than the others named, they are more straight hardcore metal, but they certainly bordered on cheese, esp in the 80s

Because he can't sing. For someone who doesn't like the sound of Neil Young's voice, Ozzy makes NY sound like Sinatra.

Hes been singing fine for almost 40 years, and his voice melds well with his crazy-persona and heavy metal. Maybe its his style of singing you object to? I wouldnt like him if he crooned like Neil Young, but he doesn't (well he has dabbled in it I guess), and Ozzy knows how to share the forground with the guitars, so you arent just listening to him.

I actually think "Never Say Die" is his best vocal work, listen to "Juniors Eyes".

Its true his voice has had "electronic assistance" for touring, for the last 15 years or so :D ... the "Oz-Box" makes him still sound 20!

Hes been singing fine for almost 40 years, and his voice melds well with his crazy-persona and heavy metal. Maybe its his style of singing you object to? I wouldnt like him if he crooned like Neil Young, but he doesn't (well he has dabbled in it I guess), and Ozzy knows how to share the forground with the guitars, so you arent just listening to him.

I actually think "Never Say Die" is his best vocal work, listen to "Juniors Eyes".

Its true his voice has had "electronic assistance" for touring, for the last 15 years or so :D ... the "Oz-Box" makes him still sound 20!
I'm no vocal expert, but I hear well enough to know when someone sings flat. He sings as if he's tone deaf. His vocal range is extremely limited, and the screaming doesn't help. At this point in his career, he's kind of an embarrassing caricature of himself, much like Kiss became. He's a perfect example of a situation where the personality overtakes any musical credibility. People will now go to see him because they know his name from a TV show. Quite frankly, his last performance with Black Sabbath at the Rock and Roll Hall of fame I believe was downright embarrassing.

I owuld hardly call Neil Young a crooner. He has a soft voice when he sings country and ballad tunes, and he can sing heavy songs like a punk rocker, and since you haven't listened to him in 15 years, you probably don't know the intensity with which he can sing. Check out his vocals on Cocaine Eyes, Heavy Love or On Broadway from the EP Eldorado, or
F*%#in' Up from Ragged Glory (or anything from that album), anything from, Weld or Year of the Horse. Contrast that with his beautiful plaintive vocal on My Heart from Sleeps With Angels--absolutely transcendent stuff. And most importantly, NY has the exact same tone and sound in his voice now as he did 36 years ago when he sang Cinammon Girl and Down by The River. As opposed to Ozzie, the years and the drugs have not taken their toll on Neil.

Well yea I agree Ozzy is going downhill, the guy is old and loosing it.

I am more talking about his career and body of work as a whole, which is impressive.

Ozzy Osborne is a 70s guy. And the fact that he was big in the 80's helps prove my point. clearly the most overrated rock singer in history......

although Judas Priest's lead singer might challenge him for that title.


Good Lord, squonk. Listen to Sad Wings of Destiny from beginning to end and see if you can type that with a straight face. The Metal God is over 50 now, and he has lost his top half-octave, but he can still take just about any metal singer to school live. I've seen his last three tours (two with Priest and one with the Halford band) and he is incredible.

Did the metalheads in your high school beat you up and take your lunch money or something? There is a lot of hate coming from you lately.

Did the metalheads in your high school beat you up and take your lunch money or something? There is a lot of hate coming from you lately.


Actually, the few metalheads that dared to venture away from the smoking lounge and take off their black T shirts for a few hours and suit up in some football pads I was busy pummeling into the ground during meatgrinder drills on the football field.

Just because I thought Big Hair Cheese Metal in the 80's was a low point in the development of rock music doesn't mean I hate. Its just an observation. And some people can sing, and some people can't--its as simple as that.

Just because I thought Big Hair Cheese Metal in the 80's was a low point in the development of rock music doesn't mean I hate. Its just an observation. And some people can sing, and some people can't--its as simple as that.
So why come here and crap all over the thread? I do actually agree that the post you responded to seems ignorant of the significance of other musical genres, but why not just leave it at that? Did metal heads come in and crap all over your prog rock discussion?

Actually, the few metalheads that dared to venture away from the smoking lounge and take off their black T shirts for a few hours and suit up in some football pads I was busy pummeling into the ground during meatgrinder drills on the football field.

Just because I thought Big Hair Cheese Metal in the 80's was a low point in the development of rock music doesn't mean I hate. Its just an observation. And some people can sing, and some people can't--its as simple as that.


The metalheads in my school fell into two categories. The shorthaired guys played football and the longhaired guys were aspiring rock musicians. I was a shorthair until I fell in love with a Les Paul right before Senior year. We didn't have the "jocks vs heads" thing at my school. We were one in the same. Slayer in the locker room!

You DO hate, bro! You are lumping people like Halford and Ozzy into the Hair category. And if you think Halford can't sing, you need to do laps around the practice field "until I'M tired"! :D

One other thing: the true low point in hard rock is nu-metal.

Good Lord, squonk. Listen to Sad Wings of Destiny from beginning to end and see if you can type that with a straight face.

Or my favorite: "Beyond the Realms of Death" off of Priest's excellent "Stained Glass" album. I heard this on the Maryland College radio station in the 70s, and went out and bought the album the next day :)

The metalheads in my school fell into two categories. The shorthaired guys played football and the longhaired guys were aspiring rock musicians. I was a shorthair until I fell in love with a Les Paul right before Senior year. We didn't have the "jocks vs heads" thing at my school. We were one in the same. Slayer in the locker room!

You DO hate, bro! You are lumping people like Halford and Ozzy into the Hair category. And if you think Halford can't sing, you need to do laps around the practice field "until I'M tired"! :D

One other thing: the true low point in hard rock is nu-metal.
Actually we did have a little jocks vs burnouts (that's what we called the heads) thing but I of course was exaggerating in order to defend my manhood and the integrity of my lunch money.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on Rob Halford. It reminds me of a description I read one time of Brian Johnson's vocal abilities with AC/DC....something to the effect of it sounds like he's trying to sing while taking the largest dump in history......

What are you calling nu-metal--the Limp Bizkit stuff?

the post you responded to seems ignorant of the significance of other musical genres

I love blues, old country, jazz, bluegrass, and many other styles of music. Don't assume I'm musically ignorant because I'm a metalhead or I'll have you doing laps with squonk. :D

What are you calling nu-metal--the Limp Bizkit stuff?


Yes. These nu-metal "guitarists" get a 7 string guitar, tune it down, and only use three of the friggin strings. I would rather listen to Kenny G cover Wham's Greatest Hits.

I love blues, old country, jazz, bluegrass, and many other styles of music. Don't assume I'm musically ignorant because I'm a metalhead or I'll have you doing laps with squonk. :D
No no no, I was referring to the post that said 50s music sucked and referenced Sha Na Na as proof.

Yes. These nu-metal "guitarists" get a 7 string guitar, tune it down, and only use three of the friggin strings. I would rather listen to Kenny G cover Wham's Greatest Hits.
Well, we agree on that. Limp Bizkit and that ilk are extremely hard to listen to.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on Rob Halford. It reminds me of a description I read one time of Brian Johnson's vocal abilities with AC/DC....something to the effect of it sounds like he's trying to sing while taking the largest dump in history......
Brian Johnson is bloody awful. AC/DC died with Bon Scott as far as I'm concerned, although Back in Black was my intro to metal and a solid album. I don't really see how BJ can be compared to Rob Halford who does actually sing, although I certainly can understand why someone might not like his voice.

No no no, I was referring to the post that said 50s music sucked and referenced Sha Na Na as proof.

Holy crap! I missed that post. Yeah, that's ignorant.

Brian Johnson is bloody awful. AC/DC died with Bon Scott as far as I'm concerned, although Back in Black was my intro to metal and a solid album. I don't really see how BJ can be compared to Rob Halford who does actually sing, although I certainly can understand why someone might not like his voice.
I actually like AC/DC musically, as they have a clean hard rock guitar sound and decent catchy melodic songs. Was never crazy about the vocals, and they are musically kind of limited in what they can do, but what they do has quality. Unlike many metal bands, they had a knack for writing a tune.

AC/DC died with Bon Scott as far as I'm concerned

And Metallica died with Cliff Burton.

I agree with you about Brian, but I'll go see AC/DC as long as Angus is still alive. I just won't buy the records.

So you guys probably don't like Metallica's black album and probably think its a sell out and too soft? Am I right?

Whereas I think Metallica in that album captured a perfect combination of metal with good songs and melodies that are catchy and will stand the test of time. That album will be played by the next few generations just as the Led Zeppelin IV album was played by mine.

And Metallica died with Cliff Burton.
While I'm inclined to agree, this is probably too simplistic an explanation. Metallica was still brilliant on ...And Justice for All and if not for the horrible bass free mix I would rank it as their best album. It certainly was their most ambitious effort. I think early Metallica fans tend to romaticize Cliff and believe that if he were still around they would never have brought in Bob Rock and gone the direction they ultimately went in.

So you guys probably don't like Metallica's black album and probably think its a sell out and too soft? Am I right?
Partially. They clearly "sold out" and they did soften their sound, but my main objection was the way that they simplified their musical arrangements to be more radio/video friendly, something that they had always maintained they did not need to do and never would do. It really has nothing to do with "softening" the sound, which they also did between Kill em All and Ride the Lightning, clearly Ride the Lightning was a superior album that showed a musical evolution in a positive direction that continued on their next two albums.

So you guys probably don't like Metallica's black album and probably think its a sell out and too soft? Am I right?

Whereas I think Metallica in that album captured a perfect combination of metal with good songs and melodies that are catchy and will stand the test of time. That album will be played by the next few generations just as the Led Zeppelin IV album was played by mine.

My problem with the Black Album isn't that it's too soft, the guitars sound great. I think the record suffers from too much interference by Bob Rock and the label. Making a record using focus-group data works from a sales perspective. But it ain't metal. Master of Puppets was their high point.

Aerosmith sells a crapload more records these days by singing sappy ballads for Jerry Bruckheimer pictures, but wouldn't you rather listen to Toys in the Attic?

they simplified their musical arrangements to be more radio/video friendly


Exactly. You could take apart "Call of Ktulu" and make an entire Nu-Metallica album out of it. Well, not you. Bob Rock could. :)

Exactly. You could take apart "Call of Ktulu" and make an entire Nu-Metallica album out of it. Well, not you. Bob Rock could. :)
You'd still need Lars or James around to come up with some terrible lyrics about the agony of parting with their Basquiats. Nu-Metallica don't do instrumentals. :D

The album may have been more radio friendly, but don't fault them for it. I certainly don't think it's filled with sappy ballads. Sometimes artists mature. Songs get simpler when trying to write songs with melody. I think the album demonstrates a maturity and there is something to be said for not simply recycling the same speed metal riffs on every album. This is similar to the discussion in the Prog thread about the group Asia. In the end, the album has some good songs on it, and because of that, they were exposed to a wider audience. Its not like its an Air Supply album or something.

I wasn't saying the Black album had sappy ballads. I was trying to point out the similarity between Aerosmith's and Metallica's continued popularity. Metallica does it by dumbing down their riffs, Aerosupply does it by singing god-awful ballads. Both were once kings of their respective genres musically, now they are kings of record sales by catering to the masses. And both bands work with Bob Rock.

I wasn't saying the Black album had sappy ballads. I was trying to point out the similarity between Aerosmith's and Metallica's continued popularity. Metallica does it by dumbing down their riffs, Aerosupply does it by singing god-awful ballads. Both were once kings of their respective genres musically, now they are kings of record sales by catering to the masses. And both bands work with Bob Rock.
Aerosupply...LOL

I agree on the sappy ballads. For me, their best albums continue to be Toys and Rocks.

AC/DC was a hard rock band from the 70's whose career extended into the 80s. No one I know would call them a metal band. And they certainly weren't a Big Hair metal band.

Van Halen was another band that started in the 70s, and in fact their best album (the first one) was from the 70s.

Ozzy Osborne is a 70s guy. And the fact that he was big in the 80's helps prove my point. clearly the most overrated rock singer in history......

although Judas Priest's lead singer might challenge him for that title.

The rest of the bands named are various degrees of cheese metal. Just because they sold a lot of records doesn't mean they were good. That's my point. There was a lot of garbage selling tons of records, and Big Hair Metal Cheese Rock was exhibit A. Just because Motley Crue "reformed" to make more cheese doesn't validate them except to show that they still have no talent.

AC/DC's career didn't end with the death on Bon, It moved in a different direction. You can't tell me that their 80's albums were not metal - Back in Black - For those about to rock - Fly on the wall...... Metal

Van Halen started in the 70's (barley) but was really a 80's band

Ozzy had big success in the 70's, but huge success in the 80's - again metal. you may feel he is overrated but I am sure all those millions of dollars he made selling albums and concert tickets came from people that would disagree.

If you don't like Judas Priest fine, but they were metal, were / are very popular, they were part of the big hair movement - without the hair (my original point), and most of all they have been quoted by your beloved Metalica as being a huge influence on them.

Because Motely Crue reformed does not show that they have no talent. Only a narrow minded fool would say that. It only validates that they still have thousands of fans that still are willing to go to their concerts - I guess we all have bad taste.

You need to realize that just because you don't like the music, does not mean that it is not good. It means that you don't like the music. My favorite concert DVD is the Crossroads Guitar festival, now I don't care much for country music; but man their are some great country guitar players out there. I can respect their talents without buying or listening to there albums.

So why is Ozzy, who is still a giant in the metal industry, so "over-rated"?I think the worst Ozzy can be accused of is not retiring when he should have, and you can blame Sharon for that.

His voice is what it is - you should hear it without processing - but he is the consumate showman and has a lot of goodwill from the fans.

AC/DC's career didn't end with the death on Bon, It moved in a different direction. You can't tell me that their 80's albums were not metal - Back in Black - For those about to rock - Fly on the wall...... Metal

Van Halen started in the 70's (barley) but was really a 80's band

Ozzy had big success in the 70's, but huge success in the 80's - again metal. you may feel he is overrated but I am sure all those millions of dollars he made selling albums and concert tickets came from people that would disagree.

If you don't like Judas Priest fine, but they were metal, were / are very popular, they were part of the big hair movement - without the hair (my original point), and most of all they have been quoted by your beloved Metalica as being a huge influence on them.

Because Motely Crue reformed does not show that they have no talent. Only a narrow minded fool would say that. It only validates that they still have thousands of fans that still are willing to go to their concerts - I guess we all have bad taste.

You need to realize that just because you don't like the music, does not mean that it is not good. It means that you don't like the music. My favorite concert DVD is the Crossroads Guitar festival, now I don't care much for country music; but man their are some great country guitar players out there. I can respect their talents without buying or listening to there albums.
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And I can respect the talents of bands like AC/DC, Metallica, and Guns and Roses whom I did say had talent. They were example of bands that avioded the cheese metal cliches for the most part. And I didn't say that AC/DC's career ended when Bon died--someone else did. And most people would classify them as hard rock, not metal, but whatever.

And I can also say what bands made millions selling cheese rock, based almost entirely on marketing and MTV video success and not on talent. Just because millions of lemmings bought the albums does not justify the talent of the band.

And I can also hear, and I can tell with my ears who can't carry a tune or sing a note without being flat. And I know enough about music that I can see when something is popular because of style over substance. And the 80's Big Hair Metal era was filled with a lot of cheese. You are certainly free to disagree.

And by the way, I also agree that this phenomenom of cheesey style over substance wasn't restricted to the 80's. I think the origin of all that kind of crap, where style and marketing overshadowed actual talent, was KISS. They knew darn well they had no musical chops, they had lousy voices and they were uglier than hell. So they think up the makeup schtick and start marketing themselves as cartoon figures. They have a few pedestrian rock hits, and off they go. Pure genius I guess in once sense. And everytime I see those idiots interviewed, they are snickering about it all the way to the bank. I will bet your Ace Frehley blow-up doll that the members of bands like Cinderella, Poison, Motley Crue etc all loved KISS when they were kids.

And now I will probably hear from the KISS fan club.....

If you don't like Judas Priest fine, but they were metal, were / are very popular, they were part of the big hair movement - without the hair (my original point), and most of all they have been quoted by your beloved Metalica as being a huge influence on them.

Well Judas Priest came before "big Hair" metal, they were extremely heavy in the early days, with lots of references to evil and generous interludes of guitar.

Remember this band was around when Zepplin was still somewhat kicking, and they basically invented a "Motorcycle deathmetal" style, then later toned it down for the radio.

I liked them initially, but grew bored quickly as they got more and more commercial. On the other hand, their radio tunes were solid :)

I wouldnt personally call them hair metal though, they were serious metal guys trying to make the big bucks playing bubblegum metal :)

And now I will probably hear from the KISS fan club.....I'm not a KISS fan, although I have 2 of their albums from way back when.

When they first hit in the 70's, I was in High School. I remember listening to Floyd, Zeppelin, Yes, ELP, Neil Young, Allman Bros, etc when KISS came along and I thought it was all a bit silly with the makeup and the stage antics.

But some of the strongs were strong, and Ace Frehley is a talented guitarist. Gene Simmons is a very smart business man, Paul Stanley is no slouch in the songwriting department.

They would not have had such a huge success over the years if it were just cheese.

And now I will probably hear from the KISS fan club.....[/QUOTE]

It is aperient that we do not agree for the most part. However I do agree with you about KISS. Very little musical talent...... Troves of marketing talent. Why is it that none wants to stand up and say the emperor has no clothes --- KISS has no musical ability!

They would not have had such a huge success over the years if it were just cheese.


Do you realize how many millions of people have bought Ronco products on TV from Ron Popiel, including that stuff you spray on your head to make it look like your bald spot is gone?

Do you realize how many millions of people have bought Ronco products on TV from Ron Popeil?

Maybe you can just sum up your thoughts stating that you dislike this genre rather than going into a lot of details about why everyone who likes metal band X is an idiot? You would certainly come off as less of an a$$hole that way while still making your point that you feel that the 80's was not a good time for music. Others here obviously disagree with your opinion and many have cited bands which point to the fact that the 80's were a legitimate era where some excellent music was produced. Sure there was crap like every other era except, unlike earlier decades, we don't see retro-videos making fun of crap from the 70's or 60's because they didn't have videos back then.

I think your comparison of home shopping products to artists like Ozzy is a poor analogy and sloppy thinking. Ronco mostly preyed on one off buyers and their cheap products didn't win loyal fans, they suckered the unexpecting. A man who's work has entertained people in five (count 'em) different decades and has generated enough LOYAL fans to still run a successful festival named in his honour (Ozzfests) and who still sells a large number of albums despite the toll that age and lifestyle has inflicted on him, is not the same as a cheap plastic cheese grater that broke on the third use.

Your criticism of singing talent is somewhat misplaced. Metal generally wasn't about pretty singing. If I wanted to listen to a nice set of vocal chords I throw on Celine Dion or Andrea Boccelli but as much as I recognize that they can sing I don't like their music. Metal is about belting it out not octave gymnastics although Rob Halford demonstrated an impressive range, most metal bands are not judged on their vocal qualities. The impact of the music and lyrics was more important in this genre than pure vocal talent. You might similarly criticize the London Philharmonic for not doing an adequate job with high distortion guitar tone.

Actually the Ronco comment was made in reference to KISS, but if the shoe fits.....

While it is obvious that metal is not generally my cup of tea, that does not mean I dislike all of it point blank. Once again, read my posts, I have cited several bands that have superior talent who I respect their music ability. The fact that so many metal bands do not have good singers is a severe limitation in the long run. Its simply a characteristic of the genre that many people who have no musical talent and would otherwise never be able to front a band are attracted to metal because you can get away with grunting and screaming out the vocals in many cases. Add to that the cheese factor that was at its zenith in the 80's with the MTV video influence, and you simply had a lot of bad music that was based on style over substance and has had very little lasting influence being made back then, even though at the time it was selling millions.

Someone doesn't have to sing like Celine Dion to be able to carry a tune in a hard rock song and still make it work. Some of the loudest most searing guitar concerts I have ever been to are Neil Young and Crazy Horse concerts, but he could still carry a tune and play songs with melody in the midst of a guitar maelstrom.

In the end, as I have stated, talent wins out. That era of Big Hair Cheese Metal in the 80's was a particularly talentless genre, built upon style and image over substance and musical talent. That was my only point from the get go.

I wouldnt personally call them hair metal though, they were serious metal guys trying to make the big bucks playing bubblegum metal :)

Well I think Judas Priest were very aware of what they were doing and why and summed it up best in one of their songs "Out there is a fortune waiting to be had, you think I'd let it go, your mad, you got another thing coming."

As JP goes I'm a fan of their early stuff and only a few songs from their later work are decent. Still, putting on Genocide, Victim of Changes, Hell Bent for Leather, or pretty much anything from Screaming for Vengence and earlier can still deliver the same feeling I got when I was 16. Not many bands can do that.

Someone doesn't have to sing like Celine Dion to be able to carry a tune in a hard rock song and still make it work. Some of the loudest most searing guitar concerts I have ever been to are Neil Young and Crazy Horse concerts, but he could still carry a tune and play songs with melody in the midst of a guitar maelstrom.

In the end, as I have stated, talent wins out. That era of Big Hair Cheese Metal in the 80's was a particularly talentless genre, built upon style and image over substance and musical talent. That was my only point from the get go.

Guys like Bob Dylan and Neil Young are great examples of talented successful songwriters who can't sing and we don't care because they write great music.

I think your biggest mistake and the major point of contention here is that you lump the whole of the 80's into a "Big Hair Cheese Metal era" which is overly simplified as there was much more than metal going on and many different approaches to metal evolving. Were there bands that fit that cheese description? No doubt there were many. But a sweeping generalization of a decade of music is rarely justified and even more so in later decades where the diversity of music has increased exponentially with more channels of distribution open to bands (MTV, internet, radio, podcasting, touring etc.).

Do you realize how many millions of people have bought Ronco products on TV from Ron Popiel, including that stuff you spray on your head to make it look like your bald spot is gone?Sure, where are they now?

I think your biggest mistake and the major point of contention here is that you lump the whole of the 80's into a "Big Hair Cheese Metal era" which is overly simplified as there was much more than metal going on and many different approaches to metal evolving.


Well, again I am absolutely not lumping all 80's music and saying it was all 80's cheese metal. I have been very specific to criticizing just that genre of music, so you have not read my posts carefully, and since you keep misquoting/misunderstanding me, its useless to carry forward, since I have made my point several times over.

In the end, as I have stated, talent wins out. That era of Big Hair Cheese Metal in the 80's was a particularly talentless genre, built upon style and image over substance and musical talent. That was my only point from the get go.

When you use the term 'era' and specify the '80's' it suggests to me a time rather than a style. If you meant otherwise then I'm sorry if I misrepresented your opinion. It seemed to me that you were saying the 80's was a time of musical impoverishment and that except for metallica, it was all one big haired metal cheese fest. In the future you might clarify your stance and simply state, I think those metal bands that had no talent other than hairspray application (then name the bands) really sucked. You would have fewer people thinking you are a musical idiot that way.

When you use the term 'era' and specify the '80's' it suggests to me a time rather than a style. If you meant otherwise then I'm sorry if I misrepresented your opinion. It seemed to me that you were saying the 80's was a time of musical impoverishment and that except for metallica, it was all one big haired metal cheese fest. In the future you might clarify your stance and simply state, I think those metal bands that had no talent other than hairspray application (then name the bands) really sucked. You would have fewer people thinking you are a musical idiot that way.
My first reply post to you was very specific and I thought specifically focused on Big Hair cheese metal, especially since this is a thread about metal. I can't help you with reading comprehension. Go back and sue your grade school teachers for passing you without justification to the next level.

I think you're missing my point or I wasn't as clear as I should have been. I'm not saying all 80's music was bad because it was all Big Hair Metal. I was in my 20's in the 80's and thus in my prime CD buying and concert going days. There was plenty of good music in the 80's, alot of which was under the radar or not commercially successful. I am saying that one of the most commercially dominant forms of music which characterize the 80's was the success of what I call "cheese metal", and that style of music IMO was a real low point musically, as it was a genre which emphasized style over musical talent and substance, looks over musical prowess, and the ability to sell MTV videos over any songwriting ability.

Duuuuuuhhhhhhhhh.

Sure, where are they now?
Probably all listening to Judas Priest records.......

or breaking the law, breaking the law

My first reply post to you was very specific and I thought specifically focused on Big Hair cheese metal, especially since this is a thread about metal. I can't help you with reading comprehension. Go back and sue your grade school teachers for passing you without justification to the next level.

Perhaps you'll learn to forgive my grade school teachers in time. We don't sue people here in Canada much as most judges think a million bucks for pain and suffering from a coffee spill is a sign of a sick justice system. I think my problem was reading more than one of your posts. Your inability to maintain a coherent argument and frequent displays of categorizing everyone from Iron Maiden to Ozzy Osbourne in the 'talentless cheese metal category' is at odds with the one statement you quoted of yourself sounding nearly rational. I think it is pretty obvious that you have some sort of weird bias and feel a compelling need to tell everyone who ever enjoyed music in the 80's that they should feel ashamed and stupid. Well, we don't. Your obvious lack of exposure to the thing you are criticizing is very telling. I mean, "Rob Halford can't sing". LOL. Who can you sue for that? :rolleyes:

Perhaps you'll learn to forgive my grade school teachers in time. We don't sue people here in Canada much as most judges think a million bucks for pain and suffering from a coffee spill is a sign of a sick justice system. I think my problem was reading more than one of your posts. Your inability to maintain a coherent argument and frequent displays of categorizing everyone from Iron Maiden to Ozzy Osbourne in the 'talentless cheese metal category' is at odds with the one statement you quoted of yourself sounding nearly rational. I think it is pretty obvious that you have some sort of weird bias and feel a compelling need to tell everyone who ever enjoyed music in the 80's that they should feel ashamed and stupid. Well, we don't. Your obvious lack of exposure to the thing you are criticizing is very telling. I mean, "Rob Halford can't sing". LOL. Who can you sue for that? :rolleyes:
Wow. For the last time, I enjoyed a lot of music in the 80's. You know, the good stuff from talented people. In fact, quite a few artists I enjoyed hailed from your neck of the woods--Neil Young, Rush, The Band, Cowboy Junkies.... I avoided the talentless cheese.

It must be really cold up in Alberta this time of year, huh. I mean, really really brain-numbing cold.

as most judges think a million bucks for pain and suffering from a coffee spill is a sign of a sick justice system

You ever notice, that ever since that case, lids stay on cups REAL WELL, and coffee is almost never served burnt? Thats because of this much criticized McDonalds coffee case, where a jury of our peers sent a message to the food industry.

Ok back to our regularly scheduled programming....

You ever notice, that ever since that case, lids stay on cups REAL WELL, and coffee is almost never served burnt? Thats because of this much criticized McDonalds coffee case, where a jury of our peers sent a message to the food industry.Actually, on appeal a judge rejected the large monetary damage award, and duced the settlement to $480,000. Before the next riun d of appeals went to court, McDonalds and the woman settled out o court for an undisclosed sum, with the stipulation that the case be sealed.

See http://www.citizen.org/congress/civjus/tort/myths/articles.cfm?ID=785 for more details.

-gil

The damage award was only 160k. The big one was the punitive damages, which was not rejected, the judge mentioned reducing it, but they settled, probably for a number between the Jury's and the Judges.

The punitive damages are supposed to be high, when you sell 1.3 million in cofee a day :D

Back to our regularly scheduled program......

I'll agree that Kiss was an average band musically, but Gene and Paul could/still can sing. I own every album and while a lot of songs are basic 3 chord riffs, there are others that beyond simple "cheese"....

As far as the whole 80's debate, while a lot of the bands totally sucked (Trixter, Bullet Boys, etc) there were some badns that had good songs and were pretty good musically.

Any good Megadeth DVD's? Disturbed?

The damage award was only 160k. The big one was the punitive damages, which was not rejected, the judge mentioned reducing it, but they settled, probably for a number between the Jury's and the Judges.

The punitive damages are supposed to be high, when you sell 1.3 million in cofee a day :D


As a resident of the largest per capita coffee consuming nation in the world I've never heard a complaint about coffee being hot or lids being inappropriate prior to or after this embarrassing case in the US. If I have a coffee and spill it on myself that is my own stupid problem. I should expect hot products to be hot and don't need a warning written on the cup to remind me that hot coffee is hot. LOL


Anyway, it seems squonk has had a change of heart and now sees a lot of merit in good music from the 80's and dislikes the crap. I can now sleep better at night.

I was going to post something about the Whitesnake DVD coming out Feb 7, but I see this thread has turned into a discussion on the need for tort reform and school vouchers. :D

I think I'll buy the DVD if the setlist looks good (hope there is a lot of pre-1987 stuff). If I don't buy it, I'll take the money, buy some really hot coffee, and ponder the joys of personal responsibility. ;)

Any good Megadeth DVD's?I have 'Rude Awakening' on DVD - released in 2002, it features the heavier side of Megadeth's material, and the 2001 line-up of the band:

Dave Mustaine: vocals and guitar
David Ellefson: bass guitars
Al Pitrelli: guitar and backing vocals
Jimmy DeGrasso: drums

There is an excellent Wikipedia entry on Megadeth, with a link to the DVD details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megadeth

Very thorough and insightful.

We don't sue people here in Canada much as most judges think a million bucks for pain and suffering from a coffee spill is a sign of a sick justice system. :


Hey Guys, don't take this guy as representation of Canadians. He is smug, arrogant and does not seem to want to listen to anyone's opinion. Well, Okay he might be French Canadian...... But he is still not representative of the rest of us.

Hey Guys, don't take this guy as representation of Canadians. He is smug, arrogant and does not seem to want to listen to anyone's opinion. Well, Okay he might be French Canadian...... But he is still not representative of the rest of us.

So polite of you to judge my character from one or two posts to a thread an then insult 25% of your countrymen with a smug attack on French Canadians. How arrogant is that?

Most of my American friends who aren't lawyers agree that litigation is out of control in their country. This is hardly a novel observation from a 'smug' outsider.

My experience on AVS is that my american friends on here can take an occasional ribbing and they don't mind dishing it back in good natured banter (e.g., cold weather jibes and so forth). So, they really don't need you to apologize for Canada.

So polite of you to judge my character from one or two posts to a thread an then insult 25% of your countrymen with a smug attack on French Canadians. How arrogant is that?

Most of my American friends who aren't lawyers agree that litigation is out of control in their country. This is hardly a novel observation from a 'smug' outsider.

My experience on AVS is that my american friends on here can take an occasional ribbing and they don't mind dishing it back in good natured banter (e.g., cold weather jibes and so forth). So, they really don't need you to apologize for Canada.


I whole heartedly apologize, The username I meant to grab was "SQUONK " my mistake. Again my apologies to you. Squonk - I hope you are reading this.

I whole heartedly apologize, The username I meant to grab was "SQUONK " my mistake. Again my apologies to you. Squonk - I hope you are reading this.
Well, I don't speak French or Canadian, so quite frankly I don't understand a word you said. Since I am not Canadian, much less French Canadian, I can only assume you are not talking about me. If you are, bring it on. I can't really dish it out to you yet since you have only insulted your fellow countrymen so far.

I whole heartedly apologize, The username I meant to grab was "SQUONK " my mistake. Again my apologies to you. Squonk - I hope you are reading this.


Andy-Man,

Apology accepted. Squonk is just being a bit of an annoying twit on this thread. I've seen constructive helpful posts he's given on other threads so sometimes it is fairly thread specific based on the thread dynamics that turn nice, helpful people into mean, spiteful idiots (and I qualify for that distinction from time to time also). Most people on AVS have their angry moments but on the balance, I've found this place to be the most helpful and friendly place I've seen anywhere on the net.

Andy-Man,

Apology accepted. Squonk is just being a bit of an annoying twit on this thread. I've seen constructive helpful posts he's given on other threads so sometimes it is fairly thread specific based on the thread dynamics that turn nice, helpful people into mean, spiteful idiots (and I qualify for that distinction from time to time also). Most people on AVS have their angry moments but on the balance, I've found this place to be the most helpful and friendly place I've seen anywhere on the net.
Wow. I thought we had reached an equilibrium with "occasional ribbing and good natured banter" and had moved on. I am sad to see that is not the case, and you guys want to keep bringing it with the personal insults. And all because I don't like talentless Big Hair cheese metal rock.

I have 'Rude Awakening' on DVD - released in 2002, it features the heavier side of Megadeth's material, and the 2001 line-up of the band:

Dave Mustaine: vocals and guitar
David Ellefson: bass guitars
Al Pitrelli: guitar and backing vocals
Jimmy DeGrasso: drums

There is an excellent Wikipedia entry on Megadeth, with a link to the DVD details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megadeth

Very thorough and insightful.


That's a good DVD. I bought it after seeing Pitrelli blow my mind at a Trans-Siberian Orchestra show in 2004. I'm still kicking myself for not seeing TSO this past go-round.

That's a good DVD. I bought it after seeing Pitrelli blow my mind at a Trans-Siberian Orchestra show in 2004. I'm still kicking myself for not seeing TSO this past go-round.
Wasn't Pitrelli in the group Asia for awhile?

Wasn't Pitrelli in the group Asia for awhile?

I don't know. He was in Savatage, though. They were a cool power metal band. Both touring companies of TSO have Savatage members in them.

Yesterday I picked up 2 more concert DVDs to add to my collection.

Evergrey - A Night To Remember: Live 2004
This is a concert from Gothenburg, Sweden. Filmed with 7 cameras and is in DTS. The concert contains 19 songs by this progressive and power metal band. Tom S Englund has one powerful voice and it really shines on this DVD. If you have never heard of Evergrey it is worth checking out.

For those who have not heard Evergrey, you can get a sample of them here...Evergrey songs (http://www.evergrey.net/downloads.php)

next up....

Katatonia - Live in Krakow, Poland
This was a bonus DVD in their Black Sessions CD boxset. Katatonia started out as a dath metal band, but lead singer Jonas Renske could no longer do the growling vocals due to injuring his vocal chords. This moved the band in a whole new direction. Jonas was able to use his voice and take the sound in a whole new direction. This boxset has 2 CDs worth of highlights and a few b-sides from the albums Discouraged Ones to Viva Emptiness. The Bonus DVD includes their performance in Krakow, Poland. This concert is in DD 5.1. The audio is ok as is the video. I was happy to finally see these guys in concert. I sure hope they make it to the US on their latest tour for The Great Cold Distance

If you haven't heard of Katatonia, you can find some full songs on their web site Katatonia songs (http://katatonia.com/av.php)

FYI, the Judas Priest-Live in Memphis DVD, (that was previously available only in the Metalology box set), is now available to be bought by itself.

Hello Metal Folks :D,

I am a diehard Judas Priest fan, have all the collection of remasters, DVDs and a lot of bootlegs...

I´ve listened to the BLOODSTONE song on a set of BW 804S + Rotel 1068, and liked so much. The sound was incredible, very warm in my opinion, clear, and that´s why i choose the 703 (for my money) to make my setup.

So..., What do you folks, think about a BW playing Judas priest songs? :D

So..., What do you folks, think about a BW playing Judas priest songs? :D

I have used 603s for my mains since the series 2 came out (1999 or 2000?). Priest sounds great on B&Ws! Of course, Priest sounds great on anything. If I had the choice of: a) listening to Britney Spears new record on some Nautilus or Wilsons, or b) listening to Sad Wings of Destiny on a Bose wave radio I would choose b) every time!

b) listening to Sad Wings of Destiny on a Bose wave radio I would choose b) every time!

hehe great explanation!

Priest is really the best heavy metal band.... :D

Has anyone found and/or seen the new Black label Society DVD? I went looking for it last night but didn't have any luck.

If you like Judas Priest, the Electric Eye DVD is pretty good. In addition to a concert, there's some interesting videos too.

I agree with ya there. Also, Rush chronicles has some good concert footage.

Has anyone found and/or seen the new Black label Society DVD? I went looking for it last night but didn't have any luck.

It's in my Netflix queue and it should be here next week. I haven't seen it yet, but it's probably killer. Hell, it's effin' Zakk!

There's a few I'll pull out all the time to listen to a song or two...

1. Slayer - War at the Warfield: This is an excellent DVD, Slayer at their hardest. Kerry and Jeff just tear up the stage, and although lots of people prefer Dave Lombaro on drums, I thought Paul Bostaph does an excellent job. They are the best live metal band that I"ve seen, and it shows on the DVD. I especially like the first three tracks on the DVD (Disciple, War Ensemble, and Stain of Mind).

2. Sepultura - Under Siege (Live in Barcelona): Done right after Arise was released (1991), this is Sepultura before they became a little bit too experimental for my tastes (at least back then). Max can growl with the best of them, and the energy of the show is just amazing as well as their interview bits where they talk about life in Brazil. The songs off of "Beneath the Remains" are especially well done.

3. Megadeth - Rude Awakening: A good DVD, although I wish Megadeth had actually stayed together with this lineup after it came out!!! The band is just tight as ever, and their drummer on this tour (Jimmy DeGrasso) is amazing. Wake Up Dead, Hook in Mouth, and Tornado of Souls are excellent tracks off this disc.

Finally tracked down the new BLS.

On the plus side, it's 16:9, the DTS track has a nice deep tone, the set-list is good, the band is really tight and Zakk shreds like there's no tomorrow. Highlights include a searing tribute to Dimebag, a bluesy acoustic guitar break and generally lots of good solo closeups.
On the negative side, they decided to add in a bunch of cheesy special effects to the video (including some Spinal Tap-like mirror images) which detract from the overall presentation. The vocals are also very off-putting (as least to me). They've either doubled the lead vocals in post-production or Wylde borrowed a vocal effects machine from his buddy Ozzy - either way, it doesn't sound like natural live vocals.

Despite the negatives, I'd still say this is a must-have for any true metalhead.

If there are any metal fans still here, Megadeth has a new DVD scheduled for release on March 6th.
Live in Buenos Aires.
Muchloud ran it this weekend, and it looks to be a great release - great performance, 16 X 9 ratio, good setlist. From what I saw, it's superior to the rude awakenings DVD - the vocals seem more natural, and the huge stadium really fits in with the material.

Jeesh, wish I'd found this thread a long time ago.....

Let's get some serious metal DVD's in here.

Anyone ever listen to Living Color? I saw a short concert from them on HDNET Sunday and I must say Vernon Reid is amazing! I saw them about 10 years ago in Baton Rouge and they were excellent then, the same still holds true today. I am gonna go try to find something on DVD today by them.
-Rich
Pantera also has a new cd out that is called something like farbeyondthegreatsouthern..... It comes with a greatest hits cd and a pretty good dvd with concert footage and videos from mtv. Also Rob Zombie has some good stuff out there.
-Rich again

Jeesh, wish I'd found this thread a long time ago.....

Let's get some serious metal DVD's in here.


Glad to have you here. Maybe some new blood will get this thread rolling again, after a 5 month hiatus.

Wow, it's been a long time since I've been here. I had to sell my surround system and FP cause it wouldn't work in the new house so I haven't had as much interest as before. Instead I bought a satisfactory 2 ch. setup in Epos 12.2's and Musical Fidelity A3 Integrated and a Pio 8UK plasma. I'm actually quite happy with this setup. It's great for music and movies are better than I expected. Sometimes miss the full rig though.

Anyhow, I know it's not a live performance DVD, but I loved it anyway, is a documentary called Metal: A Headbanger's Journey. They play it occassionally in HD on Discovery or A&E or something. It's very good and a must see for any metal fan.

Since I just found this thread and 75% of the dvd's I own are music related let me make some comments and suggestions.
First thing is that Metallica-Cunning Stunts is the best metal related dvd out there. Everyone should own this and bands should try to emulate it with their releases. On the other hand Black Sabbath- The Last Supper is the biggest POS ever made. I sent mine back to the company with a note explaining why. You can read my review of this fiasco of a dvd here.
http://www.thebigpicturedvd.com/gri.html
Just go down to Black Sabbath on the left.

Now, a list of some of my favorite metal dvd's.
Audioslave - Live in Cuba
Black Label Society - Get both of them
Black Sabbath story Vol. 1 and 2
Cathedral - Our God Has Landed
Judas Priest - Live in the East (DTS)
Metallica - Cunning Stunts
Ozzy Osbourne - Live at Budokahn
Queensryche - The Complete Mindcrime 1 and 2 ( Soon, I was at the show they filmed)
Steve Vai - Live in London
Trouble - Live in Stockholm
TNT - Live in Madrid ( New release)
Whitesnake ( Better than I thought it'd be.)

Wow, it's been a long time since I've been here. I had to sell my surround system and FP cause it wouldn't work in the new house so I haven't had as much interest as before. Instead I bought a satisfactory 2 ch. setup in Epos 12.2's and Musical Fidelity A3 Integrated and a Pio 8UK plasma. I'm actually quite happy with this setup. It's great for music and movies are better than I expected. Sometimes miss the full rig though.

Anyhow, I know it's not a live performance DVD, but I loved it anyway, is a documentary called Metal: A Headbanger's Journey. They play it occassionally in HD on Discovery or A&E or something. It's very good and a must see for any metal fan.

Does anyone have the DVD of this? if so, are there any worthwhile extras?
I have it on my DVR, and it is a great documentary. I'd love to see extended versions of some of the live stuff.

I will second, or third! Metallica - Cunning Stunts. Great live, heavy sound on that one. I also like stuff off the Live Sh!t DVD especially Seattle 89 set, but sound quality is nowhere near CS.

Last Supper is really damn frustrating, I have to admit it. I don't mind the interviews as long as the concert would be presented in some unedited fashion. But it's still a must own, because what live stuff that makes it on is simply the best they have ever sounded, period. bands like Korn go into the fetal position when confronted with the true heaviness of the Sabs :D :D

BTW, EPK stands for Electronic Press Kit.

Does anyone have the DVD of this? if so, are there any worthwhile extras?
I have it on my DVR, and it is a great documentary. I'd love to see extended versions of some of the live stuff.

I have it but have yet to watch it. It's a 2-disc set with what appears to be lots of extras. I'm reading the back of it and it has a documentary on Norwegian Black metal, 17 extended interviews, outakes, etc. I think only paid $12.99 for it.

I have over 400 rock/metal live concert DVD's and some of my favorites that I own are:

ANATHEMA -- 'A Moment In Time' (2-disc set, 2006 Metal Mind Productions)

AMON AMARTH -- 'Wrath Of The Norsemen' (3-disc set, 2006 Metal Blade)

ARCH ENEMY -- 'Live Apocalypse' (2-disc set, 2006 Century Media)

BOTH BLS.........of course!

DISMEMBER -- 'Live Blasphemies' (2-disc set, 2004 Escapi)

DESTRUCTION -- 'Live Discharge...20 Years Of Total Destruction (2004 Nuclear Blast)

DARK TRANQUILLITY -- 'Live Damage' (2003 Century Media)

DORO -- 'Fur Immer: Forever Para Siempre (2-disc set, 2003 Steamhammer)


.....and these are just a few I grabbed off the first row of my collection through 'D' The Anathema one is really great, nice PQ of a show filmed in Poland. The Dark Tranquillity is another good DVD.

I think you have to really love metal to love these DVD's. A lot of metal DVD's (specially some of the ones I get from eastern Europe are not the best quality). I don't care, just crank it and enjoy the show.

I have over 400 rock/metal live concert DVD's and some of my favorites that I own are:

ANATHEMA -- 'A Moment In Time' (2-disc set, 2006 Metal Mind Productions)

AMON AMARTH -- 'Wrath Of The Norsemen' (3-disc set, 2006 Metal Blade)

ARCH ENEMY -- 'Live Apocalypse' (2-disc set, 2006 Century Media)

BOTH BLS.........of course!

DISMEMBER -- 'Live Blasphemies' (2-disc set, 2004 Escapi)

DESTRUCTION -- 'Live Discharge...20 Years Of Total Destruction (2004 Nuclear Blast)

DARK TRANQUILLITY -- 'Live Damage' (2003 Century Media)

DORO -- 'Fur Immer: Forever Para Siempre (2-disc set, 2003 Steamhammer)


.....and these are just a few I grabbed off the first row of my collection through 'D' The Anathema one is really great, nice PQ of a show filmed in Poland. The Dark Tranquillity is another good DVD.

I think you have to really love metal to love these DVD's. A lot of metal DVD's (specially some of the ones I get from eastern Europe are not the best quality). I don't care, just crank it and enjoy the show.

Great post man, I love alot of these bands also. I used to have about 50 metal DVDs in my car until all the discs got stolen :(

I may build up the willpower to buy more but I think I will try renting as many as possible from Netflix since you are correct about the horrid quality of alot of these DVDs, one I can remember being absolutely terrible was Carcass - Wake Up and Smell the Carcass.

Now, a list of some of my favorite metal dvd's.
Audioslave - Live in Cuba


Really? Chris Cornell had about as much command of his voice as I do of my legs after about 12 mixed drinks. The boys vocal cords were completely and depressingly blown. Tragic since for me he's still the best rock vocalist of at least the last 20 years - but Live in Cuba is such a chore to watch. I still can't believe they released it.

Really? Chris Cornell had about as much command of his voice as I do of my legs after about 12 mixed drinks. The boys vocal cords were completely and depressingly blown. Tragic since for me he's still the best rock vocalist of at least the last 20 years - but Live in Cuba is such a chore to watch. I still can't believe they released it.
Yeah his voice isn't really up to par on this, but I like the band so much that I just turn it up really loud and live with it. Too bad he just quit the band...

Hey Outlier, how was Heaven & Hell?
A buddy is trying to talk me into going on Thursday to the Toronto show. How was the sound, and how long were the sets for Down & Megadeth?

Hey ARoc29,

I loved the show. The Saddledome has crappy sound but this sounded above average for that venue. Down did not play at all due to a mysterious illness suffered by the lead singer so the Megadeth and Sabbath sets were longer (a bonus in my opinion). Megadeth were excellent. Lots of energy. Good playing. Interaction with the crowd was good.

Sabbath was awesome too. I felt so lucky to be there and see these guys live. I've listened to Sabbath since I was 12 but never had a chance to see them live until now. So the wow factor was high. They played three new songs which sounded pretty good and in the style of the Heaven and Hell album with maybe a bit more modern touch to the guitar work. Iommi really impressed me. I never thought he was much of a technical guy and really considered him a riff god with not a lot of sizzle. His solos were excellent though and I was duly impressed. Geezer was going frickin' mad with the bass work. Neon nights was just over the top cool and by the time they played Heaven and Hell the place was totally rockin'.

I was slightly disappointed that they did nothing from the Ozzy era but hey what do you expect. So song choice was not optimal but the show was great. Dio was excellent on the vocals. Vinnie Appice did a drum solo as well which went over great. Overall a great evening and money well spent. My 14 year-old son was totally into it as well which speaks to the fact that Sabbath's music is timeless.

Go. Enjoy. You are more likely to regret missing it than going and being disappointed.

Outlier

Hey ARoc29,

I loved the show. The Saddledome has crappy sound but this sounded above average for that venue. Down did not play at all due to a mysterious illness suffered by the lead singer so the Megadeth and Sabbath sets were longer (a bonus in my opinion). Megadeth were excellent. Lots of energy. Good playing. Interaction with the crowd was good.

Sabbath was awesome too. I felt so lucky to be there and see these guys live. I've listened to Sabbath since I was 12 but never had a chance to see them live until now. So the wow factor was high. They played three new songs which sounded pretty good and in the style of the Heaven and Hell album with maybe a bit more modern touch to the guitar work. Iommi really impressed me. I never thought he was much of a technical guy and really considered him a riff god with not a lot of sizzle. His solos were excellent though and I was duly impressed. Geezer was going frickin' mad with the bass work. Neon nights was just over the top cool and by the time they played Heaven and Hell the place was totally rockin'.

I was slightly disappointed that they did nothing from the Ozzy era but hey what do you expect. So song choice was not optimal but the show was great. Dio was excellent on the vocals. Vinnie Appice did a drum solo as well which went over great. Overall a great evening and money well spent. My 14 year-old son was totally into it as well which speaks to the fact that Sabbath's music is timeless.

Go. Enjoy. You are more likely to regret missing it than going and being disappointed.

Outlier

Thanks for the review.

You're killing me - I'm busy all day Thursday, so to make the trek down to TO will be tough (I wish you'd told me it sucked, then I could safely blow it off).
Too bad about Down - they are excellent. Hopefully Phil is OK.
After buying the new Megadeth DVD, it doesn't surprise me that they were impressive (I knew I could make this relevant to the "metal DVD thread"). It's a great release if you don't already own it.
I'm surprised that Sabbath wouldn't play some of the older Ozzy stuff, since they released a live album with Dio singing a bunch of it.
Sounds like it will definitely be worth my while if I can get there.

So did you see the concert ARoc29? I've got tix for Roger Waters and then Rush coming up. I'm a happy guy.

I haven't seen a whole lot of metal concert dvds but Rammstein: Live aus Berlin and Slipknot: Disasterpeices are treasures in my entire dvd collection.

I have to chime in here with logical noise.

Rammstein: Live aus Berlin is powerful, well produced, well performed and well presented.

Rammstein's latest DVD, Volkerball, is excellent as well, and builds on Live aus Berlin by covering material from their more recent album releases, plus it presents songs from 4 different venues in Europe. The staging of that tour was amazing, and the show (and enthusiastic crowd) are totally over the top. Highly recommended.

I still love Iron Maiden: Live in Rio as a great 5.1 Home Theatre demo disc. I bought the new live Maiden DVD from the Dances of Death tour, have yet to watch/listen to it.

-g

I have to chime in here with logical noise.

Rammstein: Live aus Berlin is powerful, well produced, well performed and well presented.

Rammstein's latest DVD, Volkerball, is excellent as well, and builds on Live aus Berlin by covering material from their more recent album releases, plus it presents songs from 4 different venues in Europe. The staging of that tour was amazing, and the show (and enthusiastic crowd) are totally over the top. Highly recommended.

I still love Iron Maiden: Live in Rio as a great 5.1 Home Theatre demo disc. I bought the new live Maiden DVD from the Dances of Death tour, have yet to watch/listen to it.

-g
I still haven't seen volkerball yet it did get a region 1 release right?

I still haven't seen volkerball yet it did get a region 1 release right?

It got an R1 release in Canada. I'm still waiting for an official U.S. date and product, though at this rate that might seem unlikely, so I may have to go looking for the Canadian product instead. (It may almost be as long a wait for a U.S. release as it's been for the band to return to this country for a tour, and I haven't seen them since their '99 headliner. I went to the infamous Worcester Palladium show that time BTW. :eek: :D )

I still haven't seen volkerball yet it did get a region 1 release right?

I don't know - I bought it in Frankfurt Germany 2 weeks ago, in a nice Limited Edition hard-bound photo album with pics from the tour, 2 live CDs and 2 DVDs, region 6.

I actually went and bought a Region Free/Code Free, PAL/NTSC converter-equipped Pioneer Elite DV-46AV just to play it back on my Sony SXRD 50" home theatre set up!!! (I needed a new HDMI-equipped DVD player anyway, so now I have one with the bonus of being free of any restrictions - plus it upconverts to 1080i on the HDMI out!!)

I travel alot, and like to shop at CD/DVD shops thoughout Europe and Asia. I *HATE* region encoding, 'cause I always pay retail for everything I buy, why should I not be allowed to watch legitimate content purchased at retail?

-g

So did you see the concert ARoc29? I've got tix for Roger Waters and then Rush coming up. I'm a happy guy.


Nope, I never made it. My buddy that went was suitably impressed though.

I saw Black Label Society a few weeks ago, but it was a disappointing show - I don't think Zakk made the necessary adjustments for the difference between Canadian & American beer. He seemed pretty wasted by the end of the show, spending 5 minutes kissing everybody on the stage instead of doing an encore (not that there's anything wrong with that). Next up is Velvet Revolver in May at the same club (I also have Rush tickets for Sept.).

To go OT for a minute, I highly recommend that everyone that's interested in this thread pick up the new Machinehead album, The Blackening. My ears are still bleeding from my first listen last night - I couldn't help but crank it to 11.

I highly recommend Porcupine Tree - Arriving Somewhere

I still haven't seen volkerball yet it did get a region 1 release right?

As to this, finally there's news of a US R1 release for Volkerball. It'll be out on September 18th, and in all three editions. (I'll be going for the limited edition with the photo book, of course. :D ) At long last!

I just watched the Queensryche- Mindcrime at the Moore concert DVD...

Worst drum track BY FAR that I have EVER heard, it was so bad I actually tried to log into their forums to complain about it.......
Dirtbags charge $30 to become a member!!
Ya, right... already scammed me out of $20 for that hunk of garbage, I'm not biting.

That's pretty pathetic if ya ask me...

Bring DeGarmo back!!!

As I mentionned in another thread...

If you want something that ROCKS!! Go with Killswitch Engage, Set This World Ablaze. This is some heavy stuff but verry melodic also, one of my favorite band! Check out there CD's also, As Daylight Dies is simply astonishing... song's like "My Curse" and are just the best rock songs I have ever heard in a long long time!!

You might want to check the Our Lady Peace DVD, nothing real heavy there but a insane base drum sound and really good sounding rock.

Sevendust has a DVD with some backstage, studio and other bits...., one of my favorite band for shure, check there cd's.... Check out the song "Enemy" !

Pillar live DVD is also great, and cd's too....

Great thread.

Rock on :D

Does anyone know if Closure by NIN is available on dvd yet? I have it on vhs, but would love to have it on dvd!

I also second the Porcupine Tree dvd!

I highly recommend Porcupine Tree - Arriving Somewhere
IMO this disk is unlistenable due to the extreme dynamic compression. One of the worst.

Ed

Anyone pick up the new Arch Enemy: Tyrants of the Rising Sun? I thought 'Live Apocalypse' was great. This is just as good if not better. It also has a DTS track like Live Apocalypse but it isn't stated on the packaging.