The reason they are so hush, hush, is because they don't talk about new product (with shows as exceptions) until they ship. New products don't ship until the old are gone. So it's right in the gray area where a dealer that wants the v.4's can probably get them, but Paradigm would rather ship off the last of the v.3's if they still have them.

-K

Does anyone know how the ADP-470's as surrounds compare to the Studio 20's(for 7.1)? I'm a bit apprehensive of the ADP's dipole/bipole design because I don't have a dedicated room and there is furniture/clutter in the back of the room and I assume it would cause a problem with proper sound dispersion? Would Studio 20's be a better choice? Thanks in advance.

WebEffect

I upgraded my 5.1 system with studio 20's as surrounds to a 7.1 system with (4) ADP-470's.

I have a large family room and now all the viewers get the full effect of the surround channels. With the Studio 20's, you had to be right in the sweet spot.

The 470's are basically two 20's back-to-back.

I hope this helps.

I'm looking at some floor model pairs of Version 1 Paradigm Signature S4's in Rosewood and Birdseye Maple. What would you guys aim for percentage wise for a discount? Same for the accompanying Premier stands.

My dealer quoted me 25% off MSRP for a floor model pair of Version 1 Signature S4's that have a small scratch on the side. This still seems a bit high considering they are used, have a small blemish, and are about to be replaced with a new model. I normally get 15-20% off new stuff, so only 5% more seems kinda sucky.

This doesn't include the used stands either.

Should I hold off? I really like the metal dome tweeter of the Version 1's, and I am a bit ancy that I won't like the new beryllium tweets (leaving me scrounging for good Version 1's).

My dealer only offered a 15% discount... and that's on FLOOR Studio 100s, with new-in-box cc-570 and new ADP-470s.

Not sure what to think about that... comes to ~$1000 more than I expected for the Studio 60s, Studio 20s, and cc-470 set-up.

Arguably can't go wrong with either. Interestingly, they said they can't order any more v3's from Paradigm... that their Paradigm rep said it's v4 from here out.

Tempted to just get v4's. Thought they'd offer 25% off or something.

As far as I know from reading posts over the pat few years and spending countless hours in various shops, 15% is pretty much the standard for New gear. I happened to get 20% off my Rotel amp (new) last year, so now as a repeat customer I expect 20% and they know it (off new items).

Where my unrest comes, is that my dealer is only offering 5% more off from used floor models that have a scratched finish and are to be replaced this upcoming month with a new model. I'm going to go take a look at 'em in the morning (Version 1 Signature S4's w/Stands), but unless they offer me more than 25% I'm going to walk.

I see S8's on Audiogon for 50% off MSRP. I could snag a pair of cherry S8's for less than $1000 more than the price I was offered for the S4's. I really don't need S8's, but I'm kinda scratching my head here on the S4 price.

My dealer only offered a 15% discount... and that's on FLOOR Studio 100s, with new-in-box cc-570 and new ADP-470s.

Not sure what to think about that... comes to ~$1000 more than I expected for the Studio 60s, Studio 20s, and cc-470 set-up.

Arguably can't go wrong with either. Interestingly, they said they can't order any more v3's from Paradigm... that their Paradigm rep said it's v4 from here out.

Tempted to just get v4's. Thought they'd offer 25% off or something.

He's funny if he's selling a floor model at 15% off. There's a dealer in Whitby (just east of Toronto) that's selling 100 v3 floor models at 35% off, and that's their asking price without any haggling. A discount of 15% on new speakers is good, but not for used/demo models. If he's only willing to go 15%, I'd go with the v4s.

The suggested prices for the v4s are:

Studio 20 $900
Studio 60 $1800
Studio 100 $2500
Studio CC-590 $900
Studio CC-690 $1200

Add taxes and subtract 15% to get an idea of what it should cost.

If you're considering the 100s, you should also consider the CC-690. It's designed to go with the 100s, and though it's $300 more, you get a lot more speaker for the extra money.

Anybody get a chance to audition the studio v4s yet? It'd be interesting see for those of use who have the v3s if its worth the upgrade. I read one post that suggested there wasn't much of a difference.

If you're considering the 100s, you should also consider the CC-690. It's designed to go with the 100s, and though it's $300 more, you get a lot more speaker for the extra money.
Where are the specs on the 690?

J.

He's funny if he's selling a floor model at 15% off. There's a dealer in Whitby (just east of Toronto) that's selling 100 v3 floor models at 35% off, and that's their asking price without any haggling. A discount of 15% on new speakers is good, but not for used/demo models. If he's only willing to go 15%, I'd go with the v4s.

The suggested prices for the v4s are:

Studio 20 $900
Studio 60 $1800
Studio 100 $2500
Studio CC-590 $900
Studio CC-690 $1200

Add taxes and subtract 15% to get an idea of what it should cost.

If you're considering the 100s, you should also consider the CC-690. It's designed to go with the 100s, and though it's $300 more, you get a lot more speaker for the extra money.


The tower prices are for a pair, right? I've seen reviews where they say the Studio 100 version 3 is $2200 per pair. And Studio 60 $1500/ pair. Then again some don't say "pair"...which is right? :confused:

Oh, and would the CC470 be a good match for the Studio 60's?

the prices given for them are in pairs
except the center.

The tower prices are for a pair, right? I've seen reviews where they say the Studio 100 version 3 is $2200 per pair. And Studio 60 $1500/ pair. Then again some don't say "pair"...which is right? :confused:

Oh, and would the CC470 be a good match for the Studio 60's?The $2200 per pair was before prices went up in Feb. of this year. And I would do the CC570 to match the Studio 60s up front.

-K

I'm know they are not timbre matched, but I am curious to know if any of you out there are using CC-570 or 470 from the Studio Series with Monitor Series fronts, 7, 9, or 11's? And if so, what has been your experience?

I own a pair of Monitor 11's V.4, and I considering the CC-570 (if I can get a good deal on V.3) to replace the CC370 as the center channel, if the difference in sound will not be that drastic.

I Will probably upgrade to full Studio Series at a later date. Would appreciate your feedback if anyone has tried this.

The CC370 would provide the best match for Monitor series, as it is the Monitor series center channel. I feel going to a Studio series center would not be the smartest move with Monitor fronts IMHO.

-K

I need some help from those more experienced than I. I am buying new speakers soon. My choices are down to Paradigm Studio Series (60s), Rockets (760 or 850), and Axioms as a distant, distant 3rd. I have heard the Studios.

This being a Paradigm thread, I know there will be a paradigm bias so I am not asking which is better. I just want a comparison. I will be using the speakers for mostly ht. With the v.4s coming out in a matter of weeks, the v.3s are on clearance at my local shop. I plan on picking up the last set of 60s this weekend to give them an in-home audition. The Rockets will take a while to get but I will set them up side by side.

I read on another thread a comparison between rockets and axioms for ht. Someone said they were "similar" yet I have heard that axioms are bright and have never heard that about the rockets.

Has anyone compared Paradigm Studio 60s to any of the Rocket towers?

Going to pull the trigger tomorrow on my new 5.1 set up...have 2 great options on the table...after much deliberation, it's come down to this (all Paradigm v3):

a) studio 60s in front, studio 20s in rear, cc-470... saves enough $ to do the Anthem PVA-5 surround amp and an Anthem AVM-30 pre/pro... OR... less $ version...

b) studio 100s in front, studio 20s in rear, cc-570... that blows the bank, leaving enough cash to buy a Marantz SR-8001 (the new integrated AVR...125 wpc; toroidal power, HDMI v1.2...).

Rm is 800 sq. ft. with 14 ft ceilings; 80% music for me, 80% HT for wife & daughter. So 50/50 audio/HT in the long run... HT area is 26 ft long, though, which is why the 20s instead of ADPs.

THOUGHTS?!?!? Thanks... but appreciate your feedback! Matt.

Going to pull the trigger tomorrow on my new 5.1 set up...have 2 great options on the table...after much deliberation, it's come down to this (all Paradigm v3):

a) studio 60s in front, studio 20s in rear, cc-470... saves enough $ to do the Anthem PVA-5 surround amp and an Anthem AVM-30 pre/pro... OR... less $ version...

b) studio 100s in front, studio 20s in rear, cc-570... that blows the bank, leaving enough cash to buy a Marantz SR-8001 (the new integrated AVR...125 wpc; toroidal power, HDMI v1.2...).

Rm is 800 sq. ft. with 14 ft ceilings; 80% music for me, 80% HT for wife & daughter. So 50/50 audio/HT in the long run... HT area is 26 ft long, though, which is why the 20s instead of ADPs.

THOUGHTS?!?!? Thanks... but appreciate your feedback! Matt.
i bet it will sound great what sub will you use.

Have a JBL PB-10 (10" downfiring). Would love to upgrade, but with the Studio 100s & 3 7' mid-bass, don't know if that's as necessary in the short run.

Does either of the 2 options above stike you as better for the long haul?? Thanks-- Matt.

i have the 100 570 and 20 set up and adding a sub helps tremendously
the 3 sevens in the 100s give it some of the best midbass i have heard
but to carry out to 20hz a sub is needed i use a velodyne 15 and hopefully
i will be able to upgrade to a dd-15 velo soon.

I've read many times both that the Studio 100s are very efficient and can be powered well with a 110-125 AVR and that they are power-hungry and to bring out their best you need to go separates and get into mucho $$$.

Any thoughts about that???

Am considering the new Marantz 125 wpc integrated piece (the SR-8001) and also separates (Anthem PVA5 and AVM30, though that option is obviously like ~1,200 more, so it SHOULD sound a lot better).

Sorry to ask a stupid question but the current version for paradigm studio is v3 or v4..and when is the new version coming out, also anyone have news on variations...gracias mucho

I'm know they are not timbre matched, but I am curious to know if any of you out there are using CC-570 or 470 from the Studio Series with Monitor Series fronts, 7, 9, or 11's? And if so, what has been your experience?

I own a pair of Monitor 11's V.4, and I considering the CC-570 (if I can get a good deal on V.3) to replace the CC370 as the center channel, if the difference in sound will not be that drastic.

I Will probably upgrade to full Studio Series at a later date. Would appreciate your feedback if anyone has tried this.

I don't care for any of the Paradigm CC centers. I use a studio 20 as a center. One of the best audio decisions I have made. It's going on six years now and have had not one second thought about it.

Nick

Sorry to ask a stupid question but the current version for paradigm studio is v3 or v4..and when is the new version coming out, also anyone have news on variations...gracias mucho

v3 is the old, v4 is the new

v.4s are supposed to be in stores sometime next month I believe. I can't remember the details, but some of the changes in the v.4s make them similar to the signature series.

I've read many times both that the Studio 100s are very efficient and can be powered well with a 110-125 AVR and that they are power-hungry and to bring out their best you need to go separates and get into mucho $$$.

Any thoughts about that???

Am considering the new Marantz 125 wpc integrated piece (the SR-8001) and also separates (Anthem PVA5 and AVM30, though that option is obviously like ~1,200 more, so it SHOULD sound a lot better).

The 100's are very efficient. Three of four watts plays them very loud. There is a lot of ignorant advice on this forum about how high power amps are the solution to everything. The fact of the matter is that of the things that matter for good audio reproduction, receiver choice is far down the ladder. Any ~ $1k receiver will blow out your ear drums out way before you reach the limits of the receiver.

Nick

Nick

Originally Posted by MAyotte
I've read many times both that the Studio 100s are very efficient and can be powered well with a 110-125 AVR and that they are power-hungry and to bring out their best you need to go separates and get into mucho $$$.

Any thoughts about that???

Am considering the new Marantz 125 wpc integrated piece (the SR-8001) and also separates (Anthem PVA5 and AVM30, though that option is obviously like ~1,200 more, so it SHOULD sound a lot better).

I did find a significant improvement in sound from 100s when I went from a top-of-the-line Yamaha receiver to a separate power amp rated at 200w. I understand the 100's are fairly efficient and that it takes doubling the power to add only a few decibels, but I was so pleasantly surprised that I wished I had gone w/ separates from the start.

Good info, Nick & Poti.

Another option I hadn't considered 'til someone talked about it here is going with the good A/V receiver [the Marantz at 110-125 wpc, depending on model) and then adding a separate stereo amp for the Studio 100 fronts IF I find I want more power (or a multi-channel to run the 100s and the cc).

Either way, use the MArantz as a preamp and spend its energy powering the surrounds and sub.

Given that you can get a good 2-ch amp (e.g. Parasound, NAD, Bryston) for under a grand and the AVR for $1300, is that the more cost-effective route? I just can't justify almost $4,000 for the Anthem separates...

just make sure what ever you drive them with
it will power into 4 ohm easily most of the studio
line stays in that raange towards the bottom end
the 100s dip as low as 3.2 so the ultra ii spec might
come in handy.

Nick and Bassbone, thanks for responding to my question about switching a CC-370 for a CC-570, although Nick I don't see what the difference would be using a Studio 20 as a center channel over a CC-570, don't thay have the same drivers?

Anyhow, I guess I'll exercise a little patience and wait for the version 4 Studios to hit my area and put together a proper package at that point.

Have a JBL PB-10 (10" downfiring). Would love to upgrade, but with the Studio 100s & 3 7' mid-bass, don't know if that's as necessary in the short run.

Does either of the 2 options above stike you as better for the long haul?? Thanks-- Matt.Personally I would rethink both lineups and add something like a Servo-15. No speaker (not even the 100's) will go as deep as something like a Servo-15, so if HT is important to you consider adding a good sub. I personally would slash the other speakers down (ie: get 20's instead of 100's) in order to be able to afford adding a good capable sub.

The 100's are very efficient. Three of four watts plays them very loud. There is a lot of ignorant advice on this forum about how high power amps are the solution to everything. The fact of the matter is that of the things that matter for good audio reproduction, receiver choice is far down the ladder. Any ~ $1k receiver will blow out your ear drums out way before you reach the limits of the receiver.Yes. True. If all you care about is is how LOUD you can play the speakers then by all means get the cheapest receiver you can find that had the power output you find adequate for your listening levels.

If you want the speakers to SOUND AS GOOD AS THEY CAN then I would recommend looking at some of the more powerful units that cost more money.

It's not just about power, it's about control.

By all means don't listen to us - go and listen to the 100's using a different amps and receivers and let your own ears be the judge.

Kal

I agree with Kal, especially on his first point. That JBL 10"er isn't near enough to bring a similar caliber of performance as even the 60s, IMO. At the least, I'd spend the $700 or so extra you'd save by getting 60s instead of 100s (I've owned both) on a decent sub, or building a killer DIY for even less than that.

Regarding the amplification, I'd recommend getting a receiver with preouts and whatever inputs/outputs you want, and you can always add external amplification. As you suggested, a two-channel amp would be a good idea.

Nick and Bassbone, thanks for responding to my question about switching a CC-370 for a CC-570, although Nick I don't see what the difference would be using a Studio 20 as a center channel over a CC-570, don't thay have the same drivers?

I am not sure. This was six years ago. What is important to remember, is that having three identical speakers up front is sonically the best of all possible worlds. Well five identical speakers is actually the best. Kal Rubinson mentioned to me in another thread that when he got his Studio 40's or 60's (can not remember which) he did the same, preferred a single Studio 20 for his center over the CC center. So there is at least one other person who found this to be a better solution for them. But of course, let your ears decide what's best for you.

Nick

It was my original 60v2s. While I had the Magnepans in the rear, freeing up the 20s, I tried using a 20 as a center and it was, given all the lash-up and other issues, the best front staging I had heard in that system. Subequently, I went to three identical speakers across the front, Studio 60v3s. (At least, for the time being.)

The other Kal

The 100's are very efficient. Three of four watts plays them very loud. There is a lot of ignorant advice on this forum about how high power amps are the solution to everything. The fact of the matter is that of the things that matter for good audio reproduction, receiver choice is far down the ladder. Any ~ $1k receiver will blow out your ear drums out way before you reach the limits of the receiver.

Nick

Nick

If three or four watts is enough for you, why not just buy a boombox?

The fact of the matter is that what you've said is your opinion.

Should you believe that your word is definitive, how about basing it on something? Do you own 100s? Have you spent much time comparing AVRs to power amps? If so, let's hear about it. If the answer is no, you shouldn't be calling other people ignorant.

Hi guys

I got a question here is my setup

PS Audio UPC-200
PS Audio Quintessence Power Center
Rotel RSP-1068
Rotel RMB-1075
Cambridge Audio Azur 540D
Cambridge Audio Azur 640C v.2
CATCABLES Silvercats
Paradigm Studio 60 v.3
Paradigm Studio CC570
Paradigm Studio ADP470
Paradigm Ps-1000
Panasonic CT34WX15

Should I upgrade to V.4 all up front or upragade my preamp because 2007 models are coming out in march, my current one just bought last year.

Personally I would rethink both lineups and add something like a Servo-15. No speaker (not even the 100's) will go as deep as something like a Servo-15, so if HT is important to you consider adding a good sub. I personally would slash the other speakers down (ie: get 20's instead of 100's) in order to be able to afford adding a good capable sub.

I agree. Given that the 100s still need a sub to get the bottom end, it makes sense to start with a good sub, and build a system around that.

With the v4 lineup, the 100s and the matching CC-690 would cost about $3700. On the other hand, the 40s and a CC-590 would cost about $2300. That would free up $1400 for the Servo 15. The 20s would free up $1900 or so. At $2200 for the Servo, that'd cover most of the cost.

I can understand why some people don't like listening to music with a ported sub, and smaller main speakers have less bottom end, but the Servo would be a good choice for music too.

The cost of speaker stands is also a factor with smaller speakers, but that's because the J-Series stands that are made for the Studios are over priced. I recommend checking out VTI speaker stands. They look pretty good and they're about 1/3 the price:

http://www.standsandmounts.com/ProductImages/vti/vsp24s.jpg

http://www.standsandmounts.com/ProductImages/vti/VSP29bB.jpg

And they have matching center speaker stands:

http://www.standsandmounts.com/ProductImages/vti/VSPCSB.jpg

http://www.standsandmounts.com/ProductImages/vti/VSPCSBblkm.jpg

prices here: www.standsandmounts.com

Frost:

Why not enjoy your current system with some great new movies or music?

It seems like a fine system as is.

You could be right, I'm thing that Preamp would be wiser since the new one will suport HDMI and new DD+,plus i could get good trade in value fo the old one

You could be right, I'm thing that Preamp would be wiser since the new one will suport HDMI and new DD+,plus i could get good trade in value fo the old one

HDMI would be nice, and if you're going to upgrade, may as well do it while you're going to get a good trade in value.

Without hearing the v4s, it's impossible to say how much of a difference there will be. However, I would consider upgrading the sub.

I would love to get SVS or HSU sub but I live in a condo on 3 floor( 3 storey building) so my sub is enough for now, also I'm trying to soundproof the room for now, won't be easy but worth it.

Thanks

Chris

If three or four watts is enough for you, why not just buy a boombox?

The fact of the matter is that what you've said is your opinion.

Should you believe that your word is definitive, how about basing it on something? Do you own 100s? Have you spent much time comparing AVRs to power amps? If so, let's hear about it. If the answer is no, you shouldn't be calling other people ignorant.
Though how the audio sounds is opinion, some of what he said is fact. The 100s will play nearly 90dB at 15ft with only 4 watts of power. That's rather loud (that's my opinion ;)). If you want to blast them, of course you'll need more; they're also good for headroom.

I'm with BoxerBoy, Fr0st. Upgrading home theater isn't like getting a new computer. Except maybe in the case of projectors. Enjoy what you have "for a while"... :)

This may not be the place, but if anyone is interested in selling their paradigm setup I'm interested in buying. I've got a set of v1 Studio 60's but would like a set of v3's. Specifically I'm looking for:

Studio 60 v3
CC-470/570
ADP-470

Preferably black ash, but I'm open to other colors.

So as the new v4's come out if any of you are looking to offload your old speakers, let me know. They'd need to be shipped though. I'm in Seattle.

Thanks.

You guys have provided a lot of good info to chew on.... most recently on the importance of the sub, which I discounted too much 'cause I'm a newbie.

The dealer from whom I'm getting the Studio 100s, cc570, and Studio 20 rears is willing to deal on the PW2200 since I'm getting all this stuff.

Since I'm at it [my wife would love to read that...], I think I'm going for the Marantz SR7001 (110wpc A/V receiver) to drive the surrounds and center channel, and the Anthem PVA2, to power the fronts and the sub (the Anthem is 125 wpc for 2.1 channels).

Is that smart? Can't drop ~$4K on the Anthem AVM30 & PVA5 after all the speakers. The Marantz/Anthem PVA2 set up will be ~$1,900. Will that provide clean power for this configuration? Is there another stereo amp in the $600 range I should consider?!?

I would try to have the same brand of amps across the front three chanels. If not now, plan to upgrade later.

I'm using a stereo 200 wpc on 60s, and a 125 wpc stereo amp ( like your Anthem) to power a 570 (passive biamp)

I need some help from those more experienced than I. I am buying new speakers soon. My choices are down to Paradigm Studio Series (60s), Rockets (760 or 850), and Axioms as a distant, distant 3rd. I have heard the Studios.

Has anyone compared Paradigm Studio 60s to any of the Rocket towers?

I compared the studio 100's to the Rocket 850's. I had them side by side in my home for one week. In my opinion the Rockets were a much better speaker. They outperformed the paradigms by a long shot. They were clearly better across the entire audio spectrum. This was not what I was expecting or hoping for. Up here in Canada the Paradigm system would have been much cheaper.
The only way to find out is to give both a try yourself. I can't hear with your ears and the above statements were based on what my ears told me.
To expand on this point my best friend thought I was nuts. He liked the paradigms much better.

I read a similar review thread on the av123 forum. A couple of them actually. I'll actually be comparing the 850s with the Studio 60s which I have a feeling may be no contest. But then again, my application and my room may hinder the 850 and the 60s may be a more logical choice. Plans are in the works to get them here. I'll let you know what I think. Thanx for the response!!!

Wow! I just snagged a pair of Studio 60 v3's from my local dealer for $1000 + tax. Floor model, only used a few times, with boxes, warranty, etc. Okay, now I just need a good deal on a CC-470/570 and a set of ADP-470's. I'd rather stay all v3 but may end up buying v4's new if I have to.

This may not be the place, but if anyone is interested in selling their paradigm setup I'm interested in buying. I've got a set of v1 Studio 60's but would like a set of v3's. Specifically I'm looking for:

Studio 60 v3
CC-470/570
ADP-470

Preferably black ash, but I'm open to other colors.

So as the new v4's come out if any of you are looking to offload your old speakers, let me know. They'd need to be shipped though. I'm in Seattle.

Thanks.

Maybe I should just go with a CC-370 for the center channel which costs the same as a pair of minis. Or find one p-dime speaker with a 6 1/2" driver off of ebay for the center channel - like maybe a Titan or Focus.

I suspect that using the mini monitor for a center channel will produce less volume compared to the cc-370 since the cc-370 has two drivers. Is this true?
If it is, I may need to go with the cc-370 or two mini monitors for my center channel. Any feedback on this is appreciated.

A couple shots of my Rosewood Signature S4's w/J-23 Stands.
Got a great deal on a pair of floor models.
I love the metal domes in the Version 1's, and couldn't pass up the deal I was given.

http://mysite.verizon.net/nicholasmosher/2ch-5.jpg
http://mysite.verizon.net/nicholasmosher/2ch-6.jpg

Fed with Rotel separates to maintain that high frequency definition.

I use a Paradigm Mini Monitor as a center, and I feel it is best to use speakers that are the exact same or as close as possible all around. The additional driver of the cc-370 does not make it a better speaker, technically it is worse because it will cause lobing issues.

And you do not want to use 2 Mini Monitors, you will then have phase cancellation issues because of the speakers operating in the same frequency range, causing your off axis performance to suffer.

I use a Paradigm Mini Monitor as a center, and I feel it is best to use speakers that are the exact same or as close as possible all around. The additional driver of the cc-370 does not make it a better speaker, technically it is worse because it will cause lobing issues.

And you do not want to use 2 Mini Monitors, you will then have phase cancellation issues because of the speakers operating in the same frequency range, causing your off axis performance to suffer.

rockemsockem:

Thanks for the feedback. I understand that the cc-370 may not be a better speaker. My main concern is the volume produced. Currently having trouble getting all the volume I want out of what I am using as a center channel. I prolly don't need to worry too much about it if I replace what I am using now with the mini-monitor. I get overly anxious about these things sometimes.

BTW, nice how you arranged your center channel over your display. I like it.

Front: Studio 20 v.4
Center: CC-590
Surround: Titans
Sub: Mirage BPS-150
Receiver: Marantz SR4600

I love my setup, it sounds beautiful, though a little underpowered at 80Wx7. My room is not accoustically treated, but plans are in the works - especially after hearing the difference between the showroom and my room.

My room is not accoustically treated, but plans are in the works - especially after hearing the difference between the showroom and my room.

Thats the reason why in general a piece of equipment/speakers always sound better in the showroom than your own home (assuming the dealer knows what they are doing and set it up properly in a treated room.)

The difference is as big as changing speakers when the room is acoustically treated. At a minimum, one should address first order reflection, etc

A couple shots of my Rosewood Signature S4's w/J-23 Stands.
Got a great deal on a pair of floor models.
I love the metal domes in the Version 1's, and couldn't pass up the deal I was given.

http://mysite.verizon.net/nicholasmosher/2ch-5.jpg
Congrats Nick! Great speakers. Loved the S4 sound myself and considered them as well but then decided to go 'whole hog' with the S8's a couple of months ago. :)

A word of advice: Move the speakers into the room a good foot or so for starters and go from there. They like some breathing room behind them.

Congrats again.

kal

Sorry, need a bit more clarification. You are looking for three speaker system for $1200 or a five speaker system for $1600? Do those budgets include a sub? If so, I'll have to defer to other Paradigm owners as I'm not familiar with their entry level lines.


yeah, the budget has been raised. more like about 3500 for 5:1 I am not looking for the loudest possible sound, per say, but what will sound best for my room (20'X10' - with a fireplace halfway down the left side).

Yeah, they are a foot and a half out now. That was just while I was setting the two up.

Awesome on the S8's!

Hi tomorrow i am going to audition monitor7 which center channel
is recommended whit the monitor 7:)
Thanks.

Hi tomorrow i am going to audition monitor7 which center channel
is recommended whit the monitor 7:)
Thanks.CC-370. It is the only center channel to match the Monitor series.

-K

CC-370. It is the only center channel to match the Monitor series.

-K

Actually, it looks like there are three monitor center speakers now:

http://www.shows.soundstagelive.com/shows/avtour2006/sep14b/paradigm_mongroup_pg.jpg

I haven't seen any information on them though. Knowing Paradigm, it's probably classified.

CC-370. It is the only center channel to match the Monitor series.

-K
I call today they said they have monitor 7 and cc-170
i ask to check if that was a error he came back
on the phone and said no.

I ask him about cc-370 he said they have them to.

Sorry i just check on the Paradigm site
the cc-170 for the performance serie :confused:

A lot of Paradigm fans here, I’m lovin mine too.

Haven't read too many posts on service issues, which seem to be a good thing. But this post from the AA is disturbing. If nothing else shows the importance of keeping a good relationship with your dealer:
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/speakers/messages/236761.html

Actually, it looks like there are three monitor center speakers now:

http://www.shows.soundstagelive.com/shows/avtour2006/sep14b/paradigm_mongroup_pg.jpg

I haven't seen any information on them though. Knowing Paradigm, it's probably classified.There will be three center channels in the new Monitor series, but as of right now for a perfect match the CC-370 is all there is. The new ones are a little different and won't be out for a month or two most likely.

-K

I call today they said they have monitor 7 and cc-170
i ask to check if that was a error he came back
on the phone and said no.

I ask him about cc-370 he said they have them to.

Sorry i just check on the Paradigm site
the cc-170 for the performance serie :confused:Yep, the CC-170 and CC-270 are Performance series. And the CC-470 starts the Reference stuff.

-K

Bassbone, do you have any idea what floorstanders are in the new Monitor Series picture?

I am currently enjoying my Monitor Series setup, and was looking towards the new Studio Series, but would reconsider the v.5 Monitors as an option with those new Center Channels.

I just can't make out what floorstanders are in the picture. Also looks like they have switched the position of the drivers on the ADP surrounds, is that correct?

You might not want Monitor Series 5 floorstanders without a good sub. I was told that in order to increase the efficiency they are rolling off the bass higher, and that would make a sub necessary on the entire line for decent bass with music.

I do have a pretty good sub setup Luap, however, if you are correct about the Monitor v.5 series, that would be a disappointment.

If the new v.5 series is compatible sound wise with the v.4 series, I just may upgrade only the center channel.

Current setup--which I truly enjoy--is Monitor 11's Front L/R, CC-370 Center, ADP-370's x 4, Def-Tech Supercube Reference, and SVS PB10-ISD.

Is the v4 a the new serie?? or is it the v5 i thought
v4 were the new serie? :confused:

Is the v4 a the new serie?? or is it the v5 i thought
v4 were the new serie? :confused:

The Monitor series will be on v.5.

The Studio series will be on v.4.

The Monitor series will be on v.5.

The Studio series will be on v.4.

whene does monitor serie v5 will hit the store?
I was going to audition v4 monitor7 this afternoon
if i buy them and that line change wont be able to
get cc-370 later maybe all wait for the v5 if they
are close to hit the store.

Bassbone, do you have any idea what floorstanders are in the new Monitor Series picture?

I am currently enjoying my Monitor Series setup, and was looking towards the new Studio Series, but would reconsider the v.5 Monitors as an option with those new Center Channels.

I just can't make out what floorstanders are in the picture. Also looks like they have switched the position of the drivers on the ADP surrounds, is that correct?The new Monitor towers all have the same number of drivers, they just progress in the size of the drivers between the three of them.

-K

I went to audition the monitor7 and they sounded bad :eek:

I know i am use to high end stuff like boss and citizen
magnavox ,white van :p but come on these destroy
the monitor :confused:

Just kidding :cool: i went, i heard, i bought.
These are the best i listen to :D and i use to listen to old
jbl there no comparison i like acoustic music and you hear all the detail.

Whit the jbl you didnt hear the detail at low volume you ad
to turn it loud and it wasnt as clear.

The only thing these need is a sub my jbl had 12" spesker and a 12"
passive thats only thing i miss but i am very happy.

Thats a start i am billding this one peice at a time as money come.

Thanks for every body help :D

I went to audition the monitor7 and they sounded bad :eek:

I know i am use to high end stuff like boss and citizen
magnavox ,white van :p but come on these destroy
the monitor :confused:

Just kidding :cool: i went, i heard, i bought.
These are the best i listen to :D and i use to listen to old
jbl there no comparison i like acoustic music and you hear all the detail.

Whit the jbl you didnt hear the detail at low volume you ad
to turn it loud and it wasnt as clear.

The only thing these need is a sub my jbl had 12" spesker and a 12"
passive thats only thing i miss but i am very happy.

Thats a start i am billding this one peice at a time as money come.

Thanks for every body help :DGlad you like the system. You had me worried for a second. :p

-K

When i arrive home i install the speaker play a couple of tune someting
isnt right compare to the store.
So i think maybe it my room so i play some barenaked ladies acoustic
which i am accustomed to.
I hear some flutter sound when i get close to my left speaker the right speaker
no flutter sound there someting wrong whit the bass driver so
i have to pack return them monday what a let down.

I hope the shop dont give me trouble:(

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Monitor 5's and CC370 Question. I have Monitor 5's as mains and the CC370. My Denon AV wants to set them up as "large". My question is whether you can imagine any situation where these speakers would or should be set up any way other than "small"? Thanks.

Monitor 5 - Mains
CC-370
Titans - Surrounds
PS1200 (2) Subs
Denon 2807
Sony 60" SXRD

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bbrc there is no need or reason to bump this thread. It is one on the more active ones. When you get your new speakers report back and we will reply as needed.

Monitor 5's and CC370 Question. I have Monitor 5's as mains and the CC370. My Denon AV wants to set them up as "large". My question is whether you can imagine any situation where these speakers would or should be set up any way other than "small"? Thanks.

Monitor 5 - Mains
CC-370
Titans - Surrounds
PS1200 (2) Subs
Denon 2807
Sony 60" SXRD

Read through the first couple of pages of this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=687600&highlight=audyssey

There is some good info from audyssey on speaker set up as it relates to their room eq.

I got the cinema series 110CT, my first speakers after i sold my bose lifestyle this past week.Got it for 1k inc in cdn selling my bose for almost the same price.I also got a Pionner 1016txv receiver
from BB. So far so good. The room is in the basement and only 20x10 which sounds great for this setup.I wanted to get 7.1 and might look at 2 more adps.
Plus i got a Toshiba HD AI and a SAmmy 40" HD lcd.
Any advice on my setup etc or improvements.
thanks

Speakers - Cinema 110CT
AV - Pioneer vsx 1016txv-k
DVD - Toshiba HDDVD
TV - Samsung LNS4041D HD

I am kinda curious. I have match a CC-370 with a pair of floorstander Esprit V4 and I didn't notice any tone mismatch. I know the Phantom would have been a better match but I couldn't afford them. I very satisfied with my setup.

Everytime, I come and read avsforums thread, It's costing me too much..

I finally got my first set of paradigms after 6-7 years of drooling after hearing my first monitor setup (9's with a cc350). I picked up a set of monitor 3's (front ported) for 100 dollars and they are in very nice condition and sound wonderful. Now I just need to keep an eye on ebay for a cc350 or cc370. What is a good price to pick these up for used or could I buy a new cc370 and have it match well?

I went to the dealer this afternoon whit my bad speaker.
We tryed it and heard the same flutturing :cool:

So he gave me another speaker i was happy he was to after
because i bought 2 other monitor7,cc370,denon2106,denon dvd player
and kilpsch rw10 and cable etc.

If he didnt give a good service all those sale where gone. He gave me a nice
discount so all is good :p

Ho sorry for the bump :o

I finally got my first set of paradigms after 6-7 years of drooling after hearing my first monitor setup (9's with a cc350). I picked up a set of monitor 3's (front ported) for 100 dollars and they are in very nice condition and sound wonderful. Now I just need to keep an eye on ebay for a cc350 or cc370. What is a good price to pick these up for used or could I buy a new cc370 and have it match well?
Thats a good price
Congrats

I have just purchased a Nad T773 AVR to replace my old Yamaha RX-V620. I am thinking about purchasing a pair of Studio 100's. My current setup is Monitor 90P's up front with a CC570 center, Monitor 11's in the rear with studio 40's for surround. If i get the Studio 100's which set should i get rid of, the 90P's or the 11's. Also, would i get much of an improvement if I bi-amped the 100's. If so what would you recommend to go with my Nad. Any help would be much appreciated.

That's quite the odd setup. If it were me, I would get rid of the 90Ps and get a good sub.

-K

I went to the dealer this afternoon whit my bad speaker.
We tryed it and heard the same flutturing :cool:

So he gave me another speaker i was happy he was to after
because i bought 2 other monitor7,cc370,denon2106,denon dvd player
and kilpsch rw10 and cable etc.

If he didnt give a good service all those sale where gone. He gave me a nice
discount so all is good :p

Ho sorry for the bump :o

Glad it worked out for you.

So they replaced the Mini Monitors with the new Rock Monitor series? Are they serious in that the speakers come with a rock-like design? What's the new V.4 Studio 20s like?

Does anyone know if the V.4 studios will be timber matched to the V.3 studios when they come out? I just purchased the studio 100's, CC-570, and ADP-470 rears in May 05... All V.3's and I am very interested in demoing the CC-690 for a possible upgrade to my CC-570. And does anyone know when the V.4's studios are scheduled to come out?

So they replaced the Mini Monitors with the new Rock Monitor series? Are they serious in that the speakers come with a rock-like design? What's the new V.4 Studio 20s like?

The new Studio 20s have the log design:

http://www.gizmodo.com/images/ipod_story_log_tree_dock.jpg

No more complaining about a lack of real wood veneer!

Just make sure they don't get tossed in the fireplace. :eek:

Does anyone know if the V.4 studios will be timber matched to the V.3 studios when they come out? I just purchased the studio 100's, CC-570, and ADP-470 rears in May 05... All V.3's and I am very interested in demoing the CC-690 for a possible upgrade to my CC-570. And does anyone know when the V.4's studios are scheduled to come out?

I'm doing the same as you. They are available now. I just called my dealer yesterday. Somewhere in this thread, is an email from Paradigm stating that the V3's and V4's are timber matched. Does anyone want a used CC-570 v3????

Here it is






An email I received a month ago from Paradigm stated the new would work with the old:

"Hi John

I'm sorry but the actual release date for the next generation of Studio
Series models isn't available at this time.

Please be assured that, even if the ADP-470 v.3 has been replaced when you
are ready to add the surrounds, the version 4 Studio speakers will be
timbre-matched with the earlier models so that they can be combined with
excellent results.

Thanks for choosing Paradigm speakers.

Sincerely,
Gary Takeda
Paradigm Technical Support"

What I want to know is if the studio v4s are worth the upgrade for those of use with v3s! Has no one heard the v4s yet~?

What I want to know is if the studio v4s are worth the upgrade for those of use with v3s! Has no one heard the v4s yet~?


Shoot! if it sounds the same what's the point! I'm waiting to hear the S6 V2 at least that speaker is completely different.

Shoot! if it sounds the same what's the point! I'm waiting to hear the S6 V2 at least that speaker is completely different.

http://www.shows.soundstagelive.com/shows/avtour2006/sep14b/paradigm_studiogroup_pg.jpg

Sorry, but I don't know how to paste the pic in here. Anyway, the point for me is simple. I always thought that the weak link in " my setup" was the CC-570. At reference levels the center has a bite to it. If you look at the new CC-690. it's more like a Studio 100 laid horizontally. Looks like a C-5. I'll be the guinea pig.

Also, would i get much of an improvement if I bi-amped the 100's. If so what would you recommend to go with my Nad.My 2 cents on bi-amping (take it for what it's worth): While some gains can be had sometimes when you go to bi-amping with certain speakers and certain amps, the gain isn't a huge step forward. It's something you can consider *if* your setup and equipment is already top-notch. That being said, I wouldn't ever bi-amp with something of the calibre of NAD. Not that NAD doesn't make good equipment, it's just that you can (IMHO) get better sound out of your speakers by taking the money you'd spend on two NAD amps and buying just one better amp. And no, I'm not going to make amp recommendations. :)

Kal

Glad it worked out for you.

Thank do you think (adp170) would be ok or (adp370)is a must but
or i am better of whit mini monitor for surround.

As of right now i have minitor7 and cc370 front and monitor7
for the back any suggestion???

What I want to know is if the studio v4s are worth the upgrade for those of use with v3s! Has no one heard the v4s yet~?
There's no way that I would. It's not worth it unless you're actually moving up within the line (cinema->monitor->studio->signature, or each model within the type).

There's no way that I would. It's not worth it unless you're actually moving up within the line (performance->monitor->studio->signature, or each model within the type).
Thanks Tim, I think you're right. Im going to go ahead and stay with the v3s until I can upgrade to the signatures.

I Just spoke to my dealer today and he said they can order the new V.4's! The only major diffenence he mentioned vs. the V.3 are the center channel and the ADP Rears. The center would add two midbass drivers and the ADP-590 rears would add two more drivers as well. The 100's would not benifit from the added cost. I believe it would be worth trading the CC-570 for the CC-690 to get that added extra sound from the center channel. Just my thoughts.

I love the two new changes. I've often thought that the two major things that are missing with the Studio series is a dipole rear like the Sig ADPs, and a larger center channel like the Sig C5. That's the end all for me, I think; I'll never pay twice as much for furniture grade cabinetry on a speaker (not saying it's wrong/not worth it.. just my priorities).

I love the two new changes. I've often thought that the two major things that are missing with the Studio series is a dipole rear like the Sig ADPs, and a larger center channel like the Sig C5. That's the end all for me, I think; I'll never pay twice as much for furniture grade cabinetry on a speaker (not saying it's wrong/not worth it.. just my priorities).


I agree with you.

Thank do you think (adp170) would be ok or (adp370)is a must but
or i am better of whit mini monitor for surround.

As of right now i have minitor7 and cc370 front and monitor7
for the back any suggestion???

Do you listen to a lot of SACDs or DVD-As?

Do you listen to a lot of SACDs or DVD-As?

I never heard those maybe all try them when my setup
is all done i have only two monitor7 now i have until tomorrow
to choose the rest.

This is my first HT and want it to last a very long time have no idea
what the best setup would be but my front are monitor7 and
cc370.
For the rest i could do (2adp370 or 2 monitor7 for a 5.1 if you think i should
ad mini monitor for a 7.1 or 4 mini monitor for 7.1.

I am open to sugestion if you think its best to have7.1 i prefer
to spend now then regret later i listen to music and Ht 50/50.

Any help would be appreciated to make a wise choice .
Thank you.

I never heard those maybe all try them when my setup
is all done i have only two monitor7 now i have until tomorrow
to choose the rest.

This is my first HT and want it to last a very long time have no idea
what the best setup would be but my front are monitor7 and
cc370.
For the rest i could do (2adp370 or 2 monitor7 for a 5.1 if you think i should
ad mini monitor for a 7.1 or 4 mini monitor for 7.1.

I am open to sugestion if you think its best to have7.1 i prefer
to spend now then regret later i listen to music and Ht 50/50.

Any help would be appreciated to make a wise choice .
Thank you.

I'd start with 2 ADP370s for a 5.1 you can always add speakers later for 7.1 if you want/need to.

I have just purchased a Nad T773 AVR to replace my old Yamaha RX-V620. I am thinking about purchasing a pair of Studio 100's. My current setup is Monitor 90P's up front with a CC570 center, Monitor 11's in the rear with studio 40's for surround. If i get the Studio 100's which set should i get rid of, the 90P's or the 11's. Also, would i get much of an improvement if I bi-amped the 100's. If so what would you recommend to go with my Nad. Any help would be much appreciated.

I'm curious... how do the Monitor 11 and 90P compare? I've never heard the 90P. It seems like you have the makings of two or 3 great systems. I'd considered getting the 90P and running them large, but also using a sub for movies and sending the LFE track to the sub. I was wanting to hear the 90P and to get them if I liked them, but they were discontinued so I went with the 11s and an Ultracube 12 and a CC-370.

There's no way that I would. It's not worth it unless you're actually moving up within the line (cinema->monitor->studio->signature, or each model within the type).
i agree but like the changes to the surrounds.

I'd start with 2 ADP370s for a 5.1 you can always add speakers later for 7.1 if you want/need to.

Thank for your help the SACDs or DVD-As is that a format like cd,dvd ex
do i need someting special to read those format.

Hey, does anyone know what happened to the Studio 80's: they're not on Paradigm's website, have they been discontinued? :confused:

So they replaced the Mini Monitors with the new Rock Monitor series? Are they serious in that the speakers come with a rock-like design? What's the new V.4 Studio 20s like?

Can someone other than the monkey, Jean Poutine, answer my questions above?

Hey, does anyone know what happened to the Studio 80's: they're not on Paradigm's website, have they been discontinued? :confused:

They haven't made the Studio 80s in years....not since V2.

Can someone other than the monkey, Jean Poutine, answer my questions above?The new Monitor series looks like a speaker. The rock monitor is a set of speakers they make for outside. The Monitor series will look different than they do now, but they will look like a normal speaker.

-K

Hey, what are you guys using for subs? I just got a new set of 60v3's, a cc-470, and a pair of adp-470's (the last two are currently in a UPS truck somewhere on their way to me). Now my old sub is begging to be replaced (Klipsch KSW-8). Contenders are:

Paradigm Seismic 10 or 12
Velodyne SPL-1200R or 1000R

So you guys have any other suggestions? I really don't feel the need to spend $1000+ on a sub though and would be perfectly happy spending half that amount. I've also thought about a Definitive Tech Supercube 1. I'd like something that's around 15" square or a bit smaller. A used Paradigm Ultracube would be great too, but I've been unable to locate one. All input is appreciated! Oh, like 80% home theater, and 20% music.

I used would suggest a used Servo-15 v1. Under $1000.

kal

Hey, what are you guys using for subs? I just got a new set of 60v3's, a cc-470, and a pair of adp-470's (the last two are currently in a UPS truck somewhere on their way to me). Now my old sub is begging to be replaced (Klipsch KSW-8). Contenders are:

Paradigm Seismic 10 or 12
Velodyne SPL-1200R or 1000R

So you guys have any other suggestions? I really don't feel the need to spend $1000+ on a sub though and would be perfectly happy spending half that amount. I've also thought about a Definitive Tech Supercube 1. I'd like something that's around 15" square or a bit smaller. A used Paradigm Ultracube would be great too, but I've been unable to locate one. All input is appreciated! Oh, like 80% home theater, and 20% music.

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-sb12plus.cfm

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl-plpow3.cfm

I ordered the SVS SB12Plus
should be here any time now TODAY

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-sb12plus.cfm
Let ya know how I like it thisevening I run 40's and a denon 3805

I have an SVS PB-12, and it will be augmented by a (massive) DIY sonosub when I get my dedicated room next year.

Now that everyone is talking about switching over from v3 to v4, IS THERE
ANYONE OUT THERE SELLING A PAIR OF BLACK ADP 470 v3???? I've been looking for a while but can't find any used. I actually won a bid on ebay but got screwed
over & never recieved them. Thanks guys......

I am putting together an inexpensive 2 Channel HI-FI system in my living room for my wife which means I have a whole set of new rules I have to follow. In my Theater room she didn’t care when I put in Paradigm 100’s,a 570 center,(2) 4’ tall waterheater size Subs from SVS, and all the other’s hanging on the walls to have a 7 channel system. In the living room everything needs to be small and pretty  which is ok because this is her space, so I’m looking at some compromises I think, but I can only go so far since I’ll be listening to the system also. While I knew what I wanted in the theater room I am not as knowledgeable when it comes to music, so I could use help on weather you can get bookshelves such as the Paradigm studio 20’s with a small Sub from SVS (only a 14” cube) to sound as good with music as a set of Studio 60’s Floor standers with no Sub. Option 2 would be studio 40’s ( which as a bass driver) with the same Sub If option 1 can’t cover all the mid range. Option 3 would be to convince the wife to go with the Studio 60’s Floorstanders with no Sub. Since I can’t here these setups in person I would welcome some comments.-Thanks Rob.

Question (short version): Can I get bookshelf speakers on stands with a Sub to sound as good as full range Floorstander Speakers for music?

Proposed 2 Channel Stereo System:

Living Room Size: 12’ x 20’
Her Music: Likes Michael Buble vocals, Non classical Piano, Pop, & Young Country
CD Player : NAD C-542
Receiver: Outlaw RR-2150 2 Channel with Bass Management (100watt per channel).

Note: I haven’t settled on using Paradigms but they are hi on my list as I will have to go with my wife to do the looks (small is good) vs. sound testing with what’s available locally.

Option 1
Paradigm Studio 20’s- 2-Driver, 2-way,7” midrange driver, 36hz low extension, 15”x8-1/4”x 12-3/4”
SVS SB-12plus Sub- 12” Bass Driver, 25hz low extension, only 14”x14”x15”

Option 2
Paradigm Studio 40’s- 3-Driver,2-1/2-way,7” midrange,7” Bass, 36hz low extension, 22”x8-1/4”x 12-3/4”
SVS SB-12plus Sub- 12” Bass Driver, 25hz low extension, only 14”x14”x15”

Option 3
Paradigm Studio 60’s- 3-Driver,2-1/2-way,7” midrange,7” Bass, 30hz low extension,40-1/2”x 8-1/4”x 17”
No Sub

For your application, I would just go with the 20s and the sub.

Its much easier to get good result from the 60s than try to fiddle with the placement and crossover for the sub to match with the 20s.

Unless shes a bass freak, 60s will give you a lot of bass.

If you go the 20s + sub route, chances are you will end up not firing up the sub at all. Reason being it takes a lot of skill and patience to blend in a sub nicely with satelite speakers so that it sounds seamless.

I have set up 2 and FYI I found out the hard way the 40s do not come close to 36 Hz Thay roll off around 63 Hz
I just got my SVS SB12plus today & its not dialed in yet BUT I am a bass freek

Hey, what are you guys using for subs? I just got a new set of 60v3's, a cc-470, and a pair of adp-470's (the last two are currently in a UPS truck somewhere on their way to me). Now my old sub is begging to be replaced (Klipsch KSW-8). Contenders are:

Velodyne SPL-1200R

So you guys have any other suggestions?

I'm very happy with my Velo SPL-1200R.

Looking for some opinions here. If the Studio and Signature lines where not possible, you do have a good sub, your focus is primarily on Home Theater, and your only choices for a 7 piece surround system were between the Monitor Series v.5 or the Millennia Series, which would you choose? and why if you don't mind?

Its much easier to get good result from the 60s than try to fiddle with the placement and crossover for the sub to match with the 20s.

Unless shes a bass freak, 60s will give you a lot of bass.

If you go the 20s + sub route, chances are you will end up not firing up the sub at all. Reason being it takes a lot of skill and patience to blend in a sub nicely with satelite speakers so that it sounds seamless.

That's a pretty big generalization. He is fairly limited here with positioning...what happens if the only locations he can put the 60s (a big speaker) produces terrible bass response?

I like big full-range towers too, but for this situation, I think the 20s and a sub that he might be able to move around a little bit (and eq) would be a better fit.

Its much easier to get good result from the 60s than try to fiddle with the placement and crossover for the sub to match with the 20s.

Unless shes a bass freak, 60s will give you a lot of bass.

If you go the 20s + sub route, chances are you will end up not firing up the sub at all. Reason being it takes a lot of skill and patience to blend in a sub nicely with satelite speakers so that it sounds seamless.

To my ears, the 60's (and 20's for that matter) have boomy bass which really bothers me. I have the 20's and adding a Rocket UFW-10 is magic. Crossed over at 60Hz sounds the best for music and 80Hz for HT. Adding a bass trap made the sound even better. Can't say enough about how room treatments improve the sound quality.

Nick

Looking for some opinions here. If the Studio and Signature lines where not possible, you do have a good sub, your focus is primarily on Home Theater, and your only choices for a 7 piece surround system were between the Monitor Series v.5 or the Millennia Series, which would you choose? and why if you don't mind?FWIW, I would get the Millenia because they will have the old Studio series quality of sound, and look a ton nicer than the new Monitor series.

-K

Just a heads up. I'm selling my CC-570v3. If anyone is interested, it's listed in the classified section of this forum. Make me an offer.

here's my paradigm set up:
frt-studio80
center-studio cc
rears-monitor3
sub-pw2200
powered by anthem mca 50 and yamaha rxv1000
toshiba hda1 for video playback.

FWIW, I would get the Millenia because they will have the old Studio series quality of sound, and look a ton nicer than the new Monitor series.

-K
Bassbone, thanks for your response. I respect your opinion, and you confirmed my line of thinking. My current setup is Monitor 11 L/R, CC-370, 4 ADP 370's all v.4

I am thinking of going with the Millennia Series because the Studio v.4 setup may be out of my budget. I am waiting for the Millennia ADP's to become available, and going with the 200's L/R, 20 in the Center, and 4 ADP's Surrounding.

I am thinking that because the Millennia Series has the same drivers as the Studio v.3 that this would be an upgrade over my current Monitor Series setup, and a better choice than the Monitor v.5 series.

What do you, and any others that might want to chime in think, Agree or Disagree?

A little feedback please...

I have a 6 year old Paradigm setup and am really itching to upgrade...I just bought a new 1080p TV and the new Denon 3930CI DVD player, plus got the new DirecTV HD DVR. So natch, now I want to upgrade the receiver and speakers...you know the feeling, right????

I currently have a 7.1 setup with V2's of:
Studio 40 (L/R), CC-470, Atoms (surrounds), PW2200 (Sub) and I put the A2's in the ceiling just for fun. I know the Atoms and A2's don't match the Studio series, but it was a cost decision at the time, and the sound is surprisingly good. I am running the Denon AVR-3803 receiver, 110 x 7 WPC. I am waiting to upgrade the receiver until next year most likely when the HDMI situation gets more sorted out.

The question is - do I just upgrade the Atoms to ADP-470's or Studio 20's or do I need to upgrade the whole system to V4? I'd love to go with the Studio 60 or 100, but the WAF does not go for towers - and she absolutely loves the current setup. BTW, I took her with me when we bought the speakers originally, and she really could tell the difference between brands & models, and the Studio 40's are like her baby now - she's reluctant to give them up! So I highly recmmend bringing the spousal unit with you when you've got your final choices in mind - she never even blinked at the cost. She's way cool anyway, but has issues with my "habit"...

Is the V4 going to sound markedly better than the V2? I've shelled out a lot of cash lately, and I would be obviously spending even more for a new setup, but I feel it might be worth it. You know, upgrade it all at once to a shiny new system...The 40's I think are starting to show their age - every now & then I hear a tiny bit of distortion; I have not been able to determine if it is source-related or not.

I'd appreciate your thoughts - thanks in advance. :)

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I would upgrade the Atoms to ADP-470's or wait and order the ADP-590 V4. The dipoles really create an extrodinary sound field. You don't have to buy everything at once. You could wait until next year to upgrade the Studio 40's with your receiver upgrade. By that time maybe the WAF will be more willing to let you go with the 60's or 100's?

Got a chance to listen to the new Millenia 20's over the weekend at a local shop. MAN was I impressed! They look like the DefTech Mythos 2's but sounds much, much better. Event without a sub they had plenty of bass.

Might have to re-think my upgrade plans.

A little feedback please...

I have a 6 year old Paradigm setup and am really itching to upgrade...I just bought a new 1080p TV and the new Denon 3930CI DVD player, plus got the new DirecTV HD DVR. So natch, now I want to upgrade the receiver and speakers...you know the feeling, right????

The question is - do I just upgrade the Atoms to ADP-470's or Studio 20's or do I need to upgrade the whole system to V4? I'd love to go with the Studio 60 or 100, but the WAF does not go for towers -

I'd appreciate your thoughts - thanks in advance. :)

Sig S4s if you can't get 60s or 100s.

You need to take full advantage of the 3930CI. No point in having a great player with average speakers so full upgrade is needed. :D

Sig S4s if you can't get 60s or 100s.

You need to take full advantage of the 3930CI. No point in having a great player with average speakers so full upgrade is needed. :D


I upgraded from moniter series to the studios and till this day I will always want to upgrade to the signiture line, but I can't afford them. Until then, I'm satisfied with the 100's, cc570 and adp 470's.

Sig S4s if you can't get 60s or 100s.

You need to take full advantage of the 3930CI. No point in having a great player with average speakers so full upgrade is needed. :D


I like the way you think! :D Why settle, right? Is the S4 comporable on a quality scale to the Studio 40? I know it's the higher series...

Thanks to all for the feedback.

So is the consensus that the V4 would be a step up from the V2 and I should at least replace the Atoms with the ADP-470's. Or go nutz and buy the Signature series...

I'll have to see if I can get my wife to go for a little shopping trip this weekend...like I said, the upgrade bug is biting me very hard now...it's only money, right???? ;)

Thanks again.

I like the way you think! :D Why settle, right? Is the S4 comporable on a quality scale to the Studio 40? I know it's the higher series...

Thanks to all for the feedback.

So is the consensus that the V4 would be a step up from the V2 and I should at least replace the Atoms with the ADP-470's. Or go nutz and buy the Signature series...

I'll have to see if I can get my wife to go for a little shopping trip this weekend...like I said, the upgrade bug is biting me very hard now...it's only money, right???? ;)

Thanks again.

I've never heard the 40s so I can't compare them to the S4s. I've compared the 60 and 100 v2s to the v3s. If the v4s sound better than the v3s than yes it would be a nice step up from v2 to v4.

My philosophy is to do as much as your budget will allow you to do at the time you're ready to purchase. If you have the funds to get Sigs now and you like the way the sound then get them or the 60s or 100s for that matter. If all your budget will allow is the 470s and your ready to buy then just get thoses.

Did anyone else get to the paradigm/anthem showcase at Audio One in Toronto, today?
The paradigm rep and I were able to spend a couple minutes with the new CC-690. Wow! What a beast.
In person, it has about the same dimensions as the Studio100's.
Quite nice- straight out of the box too!
We had some StarWars:Ep3 on. It definitely was the nicest centre i've heard since the C5. You need space though. This won't fit on top of a plasma ;)
Aesthetically speaking, I was afraid i wouldn't like the new midranges on the V.4 studio line, but I got used to the new colour pretty quickly and by the end of auditioning, i think it liked them even more the the Yellow mid's of the V.3 line.
Pictures don't really do them justice, and they come out looking a kinda pale white (almost pearl without the sheen).
Quite attractive, really.

I happened by them when i was looking to audition the seismic-12 (yet again). The v.4 ref set mated well to the seismics.
The rep was commenting a bit on how the CC-690 performed, and we agreed that it had Quite the expansive soundstage. This thing will absolutely rock in a mid-large sized room. And it was seamless with the new Studio100's.

I also liked the new dipole surrounds (model?). I wasn't a big fan of the casing they used, but they seemed to make up for it, soundwise.
The form factor is getting small for these, and they still retained a nice sized woofer right in the middle. despite the fact that the back is slightly curved, i was assured that these have some fairly stable wallplates for mounting. Since they're smaller these seem to offer a lot more mounting options as well.

I didn't get a chance to hear the new Siggy Beryllium tweaters. But i'm going back to pick up a seismic later on this month. I'll have to get Alex to give me a good audition with them.

I DID get to hear the new UltraCube-12 and was pretty impressed. I was WAY more impressed then when they brought out the ultracube-10. It's going to be a solid offering to those who can't afford the seismic's. Same dimensions. Great for small-mid spaces and when you have weird room with placement difficulties. And you still get that 12 inch driver :)
good stuff!

Lots of studioV3's getting sold off. Some from trade in's. Others for last of the old stock.
I talked briefly with a dude who was in the process of pitting 60v3's Vs. 40v4's.
Heh similar audition i was doing a little while ago.
same concerns. same dillemas. i wonder which ones he bought.

One of the things that seemed interesting to me, wasn't brought up by the Paradigm Representative, but WAS brought up by the sales staff. We were talking about the sub sales and how he's seen a slight drift over to the smaller form factor subs lately. Now that could be because it was a toronto based store, and lets face it toronto space is at a premium. Therefore it seems logical that the public is buying smaller subs to fit into smaller spaces. who knows...

There of course, is still a market for the Servo-15 both ref and sig seem to be selling well. If I could fit one of those bad boys into my upcoming condo, rest assured i'd plunk down the cash. As it stands my neighbors will probably hate me enough with a seismic. good thing i chose ground floor. 1 less person to annoy ;)
heh heh.

Thanks to all for the advice - after discussing with my wife (= reality check) we agreed to compromise on my upgrade urges...but I still get to upgrade! I said she was way cool...

The Sigs are out of range for now - even I agree with that. I decided - after discussing with my Paradigm dealer - that the best solution for now is to upgrade the Atoms to the ADP-470's. This way I will have a timbre matched set all around (except for the ceiling speakers, which I may just disconnect since I don't really care for them anyway).

One note of interest - the dealer said there are not significant timbre differences between v2, v3 or v4 - and in fact Paradigm makes it a policy to make sure the timbre match stays close when they release a new series. Whether or not that is BS remains to be seen, of course.

Bummer is they have to order the ADP's so I have to wait a week or 2. But I'm a happy boy and can't wait to add these puppies to my system. I'm also going to put an old NAD 2400 amp (2 CH) back in to give my front Studio 40's a boost. It needs minor repair, whcih I'll get done this week, but that should add some missing punch to my Denon.

Now, next year...new receiver or separates...don't get me started... ;)

Btw, when dude was in there doing his 60/40 comparison, another guy showed up with some jazz and demo'd the 20v4's. i just don't know what it is with the 20's but they consistently seem to be the little jewel of the line. i think these impressed me more than the other mid-sized offerings (both the 40's and 60's). i think this has something to do with the crossover. It seems to be smoother. Of course, they have the same bass constraints as the rest of them studio20 family, but if you're running a HT based system you'd have a sub, anwyays.
i wonder how 7x20v4's would sound. Probably pretty keen.

Did anyone else get to the paradigm/anthem showcase at Audio One in Toronto, today?


Thanks for the report. I take it everything was being driven by Anthem amps? Any comments on the equipment?

Anthem always sounds incredible when paired up with 'digms.
in this particular case, it was an avm-30/PVA-5 combo. Even at 125w/channel it drives the new ref v4's well. I wanted to hear rotels rmb-1077 with them, but not today obviously, heh.
I asked the paradigm/anthem rep just a couple questions about anthems line-up and he did say that the new avm-50 was out and the avm-40 was on its way. We talked briefly about HDMI1.3 coming out, as i was curious about what happens with upgrades. He said any 1.3 upgrades would be have to be hardwired. I'm not sure where exactly anthem is, in this regard. i thought i read somewhere that most of the avm series was modular based. i wonder how much of a problem this would be to u/g.

Just to let yas know I got my new SVS SB12PLUS sub calibrated with my Paradigm 40's V.3 today and its day and night compared to my PDR 8
Sub sound so musical Bass notes sound like bass notes not thumps & the Kick drum is powerful
I am NOW happy with my set up (this week)
Paradigm 40's V.3
CC V.2
Cinema 90 rears V.3
SVS SB12Plus
Denon 3805

sweet! Congrats Ant!
I have the 40's myself along 20's and a 470.
I was using an older 12" jbl 300w sub for awhile.
great for an entry level, but not a good match for p ref's at all.
The JBL went loud, but that's about all it had to offer. Trudged wearily through a lot of passages. When i demo'd the servo-15 a year ago i knew a change was in order.
This month's quest has been mostly about the bass.
I know svs setup a distributor chain here in canuckville. It just makes a sub buying decision even harder. I liked what i heard today, though. These seismics are potent little buggers!
I'm still interested in SVS though, to be sure.
and Velodyne as well.
(anyone know who has DD-12/15 in toronto for demo?)

Servo-15 v.2!!!

Now that's tight bass.

Servo-15 v.2!!!

Now that's tight bass.
yes but did not fit my small footprint or $$

Btw, when dude was in there doing his 60/40 comparison, another guy showed up with some jazz and demo'd the 20v4's. i just don't know what it is with the 20's but they consistently seem to be the little jewel of the line. i think these impressed me more than the other mid-sized offerings (both the 40's and 60's). i think this has something to do with the crossover. It seems to be smoother. Of course, they have the same bass constraints as the rest of them studio20 family, but if you're running a HT based system you'd have a sub, anwyays.
i wonder how 7x20v4's would sound. Probably pretty keen.

Did u get the chance to compare v3 to v4 ? If so, what is my impression ? I have v2 and am thinking maybe its time to take the plunge and do the upgrade.

Who was looking for a set of ADP-470's? I've got a brand new set that have not come out of the box. PM me and let's talk. Otherwise I'll post them up in the classifieds.

I pulled the trigger on the new CC-690 Wed of this week. Here in San Diego it takes upwards of 2 weeks when an order is placed to Paradigm. Can't wait to see how she performs.

Did anyone else get to the paradigm/anthem showcase at Audio One in Toronto, today?

Yep, I was there from 11am to noon but the power was out in the store :eek: ... made it a little tough to audition anything :) . Power came back on just as I had to leave. I was there mainly to check out the Anthem amps but would have liked to here the Sig S4's.

To folks who have auditioned or own Sig S4's, did you evaluate/choose between the C3 and C5 centre? I'm curious to here comments on how you decided or would decide whether the C3 or C5 was a better match for the S4's in your case.

joe: you'll love it. Its just that good.

wongmb: I only got to listen for about 15 minutes. And I never actually got to hear a 40v3 against a 40v4. Although these speakers were pretty much brand new, I'd say they're VERY close (v3s to v4s). V4's seemed to be pretty detailed in the mids and highs. I'd say ever so slightly more than the V3's. I don't know if i'd upgrade from V2's for these though. Although that big, honkin CC-690 could get me started.

I was there too at the Toronto store and i dont have much of a big room for my theatre craze but had bought already a cinema cT110 speakesr in a box few weeks back.Scored myself a denon 2307ci plus ipod dock(im only 27 and dont own the ipod just the crappy shuffle)
I got some paradigm surrounds nothing too much,...of course if i had the room and time, i would be buying the floor standing spks paradigms...coz i kept going nuts...
Did anyone notice the pioneer plasma with the elite BD player hooked up to it,,,,nice !!.however i have a Toshiba HD,...., wondering if that might go on sale..

Im likely to get a projector next yr and was amazed at the infocus proj.
anyways, nice to see ppl at the store on here too!

Hi Leef. Thanks for the review. I always thought that in my setup the CC-570v3 was the weak link. I have the Studio 100v3's CC570v3, Servo 15, ADP 470v3 sides and Studio 20v3 back surrounds. I also have decent room treatments. Whenever I watch movies at near reference levels it sounds like the 570 developes a nasty "bite" to it. I saw the 690 in pictures and thought, "that looks like a C-5!" I ordered it without even listening to it. Was the difference between the 570 and the 690 significant to your ears?

oh yeah.
it was a BIG difference.
It was interesting that the rep noted that it was almost too big a soundstage for that particular room (i'm thinking it was around 15'by17'). This thing begs for a Pj setup, although they had it set above 55" rear DLP toshie.
there was pretty wicked clarity there.
I'm thinking, that much like the 100's themselves, the cc-690 would benefit from a more powerful amp. The anthem was great. i mean it was 125w/channel. I'd like to hear some more power behind it though. (tim allen style) heh.
I did hear a bit of a bite for a split second, that's why i was thinking a better amp might be more appropriate. At one point, we went through the beginning of ROTS, and between the laser blasts and R2 units getting destroyed, there was a lot to process. It was never too edgy though, and remained comfortable to listen to. I have a feeling the extra drivers gives it a much better balance than the 570 is capable of.
I've only heard a couple centres that were better. The B&W 800 series centres have always been a fav of mine, and the Sig C5 itself comes to mind.
This comes awfully close though.
Talk about some drywall flexing potential though.
Anyone who picks this up is in for a real treat.

joe: you'll love it. Its just that good.

wongmb: I only got to listen for about 15 minutes. And I never actually got to hear a 40v3 against a 40v4. Although these speakers were pretty much brand new, I'd say they're VERY close (v3s to v4s). V4's seemed to be pretty detailed in the mids and highs. I'd say ever so slightly more than the V3's. I don't know if i'd upgrade from V2's for these though. Although that big, honkin CC-690 could get me started.

Thanks. Sounds like to achieve a signifiant upgrade from v2, Sig is the way to go. Upgrading from v2 to v4 is prob an improvement but not a real "upgrade"

Upgraditis-boy here again...

Question on 7.1 placement - I have Studio 40's up front, Studio CC, and just ordered the ADP-470's for the rear. I have an opportunity to add a pair of Studio 20's at a great price, and am considering them for back surrounds.

I have an 18 x 18 room, open on one side to the kitchen; my seating (couch) is about 2 feet from the back wall. The 470's will go on shelves on either side of my main listening position, above ear level. I should also mention that the 470's will only be about 4 feet from the back wall.

Is it worth it to get the 20's and place them behind the couch? On stands? In the corners toed in? How about on their backs on the floor behind the couch (better for WAF). Or not worth it at all?

I've been running 7.1 for years with in ceiling speakers as the back channels with as you might have guessed not so great results. The ceiling speakers are Paradigms, but one of them has a blown tweeter I think and they just don't sound great, so the 20's are appealing.

Should I just calm down and forget it or go for it??? :rolleyes:

oh yeah.
it was a BIG difference.
It was interesting that the rep noted that it was almost too big a soundstage for that particular room (i'm thinking it was around 15'by17'). This thing begs for a Pj setup, although they had it set above 55" rear DLP toshie.
there was pretty wicked clarity there.
I'm thinking, that much like the 100's themselves, the cc-690 would benefit from a more powerful amp. The anthem was great. i mean it was 125w/channel. I'd like to hear some more power behind it though. (tim allen style) heh.
I did hear a bit of a bite for a split second, that's why i was thinking a better amp might be more appropriate. At one point, we went through the beginning of ROTS, and between the laser blasts and R2 units getting destroyed, there was a lot to process. It was never too edgy though, and remained comfortable to listen to. I have a feeling the extra drivers gives it a much better balance than the 570 is capable of.
I've only heard a couple centres that were better. The B&W 800 series centres have always been a fav of mine, and the Sig C5 itself comes to mind.
This comes awfully close though.
Talk about some drywall flexing potential though.
Anyone who picks this up is in for a real treat.


Thanks for the reply Leef. I'm looking forward to my "new toy". My theatre room is 16' x 23'. I have a BenQ 8720 with a 110'' screen. Sounds like a perfect home for the 690!!

Damn, this is thread just took 2 hours of my life that I will never see again..... And I'd do it again!!!!!!!!! LOLOLO

I just upgraded from a seismic 12 to the Servo 15v2.... still waitin for the 100 + pounder to give my power box a workout!!! I'll report back on the differences when I am able to hook er' up. Should be this week. Will be workin with Studio 100v3, 570. ADP-470's and a Marantz SR8500.

How about this one??? DO I GO SEPARATES!!??!!??!!??!!??!!??!!??!!??
do I spend the cash on a set up? Is it worth it? Is it THAT much better than the Marantz? If I do, what kind? HELP HELP HELP HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! (and yes, cost is a rather BIG issue here... but I'll spend it if it is worth it!)

LeefDaLucky-
Please, If you could, post the dimensions of the 690. I've spent a good deal of time searching for this and have come up empty. I am especially interested in the width(actually height). If I replace my 570, it still needs to fit between the servo 15 and the plasma screen.
Thanks



oh yeah.
it was a BIG difference.
It was interesting that the rep noted that it was almost too big a soundstage for that particular room (i'm thinking it was around 15'by17'). This thing begs for a Pj setup, although they had it set above 55" rear DLP toshie.
there was pretty wicked clarity there.
I'm thinking, that much like the 100's themselves, the cc-690 would benefit from a more powerful amp. The anthem was great. i mean it was 125w/channel. I'd like to hear some more power behind it though. (tim allen style) heh.
I did hear a bit of a bite for a split second, that's why i was thinking a better amp might be more appropriate. At one point, we went through the beginning of ROTS, and between the laser blasts and R2 units getting destroyed, there was a lot to process. It was never too edgy though, and remained comfortable to listen to. I have a feeling the extra drivers gives it a much better balance than the 570 is capable of.
I've only heard a couple centres that were better. The B&W 800 series centres have always been a fav of mine, and the Sig C5 itself comes to mind.
This comes awfully close though.
Talk about some drywall flexing potential though.
Anyone who picks this up is in for a real treat.

Did u get the chance to compare v3 to v4 ? If so, what is my impression ? I have v2 and am thinking maybe its time to take the plunge and do the upgrade.

Paradigm replied to me with an email that the v4s would match the v3s, (see a few pages back) and there are a few folks here who have mixed v2/v3 systems.

But the V3 tweeter was said to be a big improvement over the v2s, and from what I have read, the v4s have been upgraded to the old Signature tweeters. So there very well could be a big difference to you. When your dealer gets in the v4s, just bring home a pair to demo, side by side with your oldies.

I'm keeping my 60/570/470 all v3 system, but definitely would be interested in if the new ADPs match and/or work better (on the sides or in the back), since I can still go from a 5.1 to 7.1 setup.

LeefDaLucky-
Please, If you could, post the dimensions of the 690. I've spent a good deal of time searching for this and have come up empty. I am especially interested in the width(actually height). If I replace my 570, it still needs to fit between the servo 15 and the plasma screen.
Thanks

I couldn't find it either, and didn't bother sending an email to Paradigm. I just assumed it had roughly the same dimensions as the Sig C-5. It uses the same "J" stand, and has the same amount of the same size drivers CC-690 – 6-driver 3.5-way center: 2 x 7˝ bass, 2 x 7˝ mid/bass, 4.5˝ mid, 1˝ G-PAL. The C-5 is 9-1/2 in x 37-1/2 in x 17-1/2 in. If the 690 is slightly smaller or the same size, than I'm good to go. Don't know if that helps you or not.

I spoke with my dealer and he said the dimensions on the CC690 are 9-1/2in x 36 in x 15- 1/2. Which brings me to this problem......I have a 62 in Mitsubishi DLP and the 570 fits perfectly under the mits' factory stand. I may have to custom make a tv stand to fit this hog or spend hundreds of dollars more on a new tv stand that would be able to house the 690 below the tv? Does anyone have any suggestions? New tv stand or raise the current one up a foot and buy a center channel stand and place it in front of the TV?

I spoke with my dealer and he said the dimensions on the CC690 are 9-1/2in x 36 in x 15- 1/2. Which brings me to this problem......I have a 62 in Mitsubishi DLP and the 570 fits perfectly under the mits' factory stand. I may have to custom make a tv stand to fit this hog or spend hundreds of dollars more on a new tv stand that would be able to house the 690 below the tv? Does anyone have any suggestions? New tv stand or raise the current one up a foot and buy a center channel stand and place it in front of the TV?

Get a Projector :rolleyes:

I spoke with my dealer and he said the dimensions on the CC690 are 9-1/2in x 36 in x 15- 1/2. Interesting. This makes it 2" less deep and 1.5" less wide then the Signature C5 (in case anyone's keeping track).

It's also not tapered in the back like the C5 (to reduce standing waves).

kal

Attached is the .pdf of the v4 specs, sizes, etc. It's the official Paradigm flyer. Enjoy.


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I've got a set of new in the box ADP-470's if anyone is interested in them...

I'm curious, why the rush just to change out center channel speakers?

Upgraditis?

lentiman,

I am not able to get the PDF link you posted to open, it comes up with an error message. I wondered if it was just me, or another reason.

Thank You

I think it's just you! =) Seriously, after I posted I checked and it worked fine. email me at lentimanATgmailDOTcom and and I'll send it to you.

lentiman,

I am not able to get the PDF link you posted to open, it comes up with an error message. I wondered if it was just me, or another reason.

Thank You

Paradigm replied to me with an email that the v4s would match the v3s, (see a few pages back) and there are a few folks here who have mixed v2/v3 systems.

But the V3 tweeter was said to be a big improvement over the v2s, and from what I have read, the v4s have been upgraded to the old Signature tweeters. So there very well could be a big difference to you. When your dealer gets in the v4s, just bring home a pair to demo, side by side with your oldies.

I'm keeping my 60/570/470 all v3 system, but definitely would be interested in if the new ADPs match and/or work better (on the sides or in the back), since I can still go from a 5.1 to 7.1 setup.

Thanks JkHome. My 60v2 still amazes at times how good they are especially given how much I could get from selling it (looking at the resale value on Audiogon makes me cry)

One big complaint I have about the v2 is that the bass is not as tight as I want them to be.
Maybe a S6 v2 is what I need if I have the cash !

Well, My wonderful wife went out a bought me a set of Monitor 9's and the CC370 center channel last Thursday while I was at work, they were waiting in the garage when I got home, what a wonderful woman she is :)

I played with them all weekend and I just love them, they are so much better than what I had before, the sound stage is much bigger and more open. Every portion of the musical spectrum is more detailed.

I was wondering if anyone has used the AMS-150 for surrounds, I currently have in ceiling surrounds now but would like to match the new monitor 9's. Are the AMS-150's well matched to the monitors?

Thanks,

firebolt- wow, nice wife!
Guess you'll have to make up for it at Xmas huh?
;)
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Wongmb- I agree, upgrading to signatures is the way to go. I think you'd feel slightly cheated if you spent upgrade money on references that you, basically, already have. Those Sig60v2's certainly look tempting don't they?
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Lentiman- thanks for the brochure mate! It brings up another point I almost forgot about. NO sycamore finish!!! That's what i have. I love it, too. Amazing WAF factor over black boxiness. i don't know why they dropped the light finish. They HAVE to be selling tonnes of the signatures in that Bird's Eye maple. It's uber-sexy! So what happened to the reference line.
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Dash- How did you like your seismic on Bass duty? Wasn't it enough for you? Why the change up?

Damn, this is thread just took 2 hours of my life that I will never see again..... And I'd do it again!!!!!!!!! LOLOLO

I just upgraded from a seismic 12 to the Servo 15v2.... still waitin for the 100 + pounder to give my power box a workout!!! I'll report back on the differences when I am able to hook er' up. Should be this week. Will be workin with Studio 100v3, 570. ADP-470's and a Marantz SR8500.

How about this one??? DO I GO SEPARATES!!??!!??!!??!!??!!??!!??!!??
do I spend the cash on a set up? Is it worth it? Is it THAT much better than the Marantz? If I do, what kind? HELP HELP HELP HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! (and yes, cost is a rather BIG issue here... but I'll spend it if it is worth it!)
see if your dealer will loan you some good separates and a b them
aganist your marantz their s q is hard to beat for the money.

Well, My wonderful wife went out a bought me a set of Monitor 9's and the CC370 center channel last Thursday while I was at work, they were waiting in the garage when I got home, what a wonderful woman she is :)

I played with them all weekend and I just love them, they are so much better than what I had before, the sound stage is much bigger and more open. Every portion of the musical spectrum is more detailed.

I was wondering if anyone has used the AMS-150 for surrounds, I currently have in ceiling surrounds now but would like to match the new monitor 9's. Are the AMS-150's well matched to the monitors?

Thanks,The AMS series is about the closest match you will get to the monitor series. The AMS100 would have a 6 1/2" driver (to match the center) and the AMS150 would have an 8" driver (to match the Mon9s). Not really sure which is your best choice, probably the 150s.

Your wife, and my wife need to talk. :D

-K

I may try to loan out the separates..... hmmmmmmmm long drive though....

As far as the switch out on the sub, I LOVE the seismic 12.. It moves air with the best of em in a movie and it blends well with the Studio 100v3's. I have a large room and I was looking for a more musical sound (like the bass drum on a CD) that would "hit" a bit harder during playback. The Servo 15v2 supposedly will go lower, blend better, hit harder and have the "tightest, most detailed bass" around for the $$. I got a great deal on it so I'm gonna give er a shot. If your lookin into the seismic or have one,,, it's a killer sub and it just works well with the Studio line (unlike my last Klipsch).

I think this is a fairly standard configuration, but I would like to get opinions:

For a 7.1 configurations

Left / Right: Studio 100V4s
Center: CC-690
Surround Left/Right: ADP-590s
Rear: Studio-20s or Studio 40s

Subwoofer: Remain with Velodyne HSG-18

I am interested in recommendations of Studio-20 or Studio-40 for rear speakers.

Any reason not to stay with HSG-18?

Lastly I am using a Pioneer Elite VSX-84TXsi, and a Halcro MC50 amplifier for the front, center, and surrounds. I will the the Pioneer to drive the rears for right now.

Thank you
Bryan

the hgs-18 is still a sub in its own league would love to have one.
i use the 20s for the rear at 6.5 feet and find they meet all my needs.

I'm curious as to how most people have their Studio 100's set up. Assuming a good sub, do you have them configured as "Large" in a HT setup, or "Small". If "Small", where do you cross them over?

I'm curious as to how most people have their Studio 100's set up. Assuming a good sub, do you have them configured as "Large" in a HT setup, or "Small". If "Small", where do you cross them over?

I have my 100's set to "Small" and I have them crossed over at 60. I'm using a SVS PC Ultra and a Sunfire Supercube Jr. I originally had them everything crossed over at 80, but the sound of the bass guitar blended better with the subs when I crossed them over to 60. I really depends on what you like to listen to and your listening style.

The reason why I don't have them 100's set to Large is because when the system is cranked up, I want the subs to do all the hard work. Less added stress on the 100's.

IMO, starting with the V3, Paradigm designed the Studio 100 to have incredible mid-bass dynamics, which make it a great choice to use as a SMALL speaker in a large room. The measurements of the V3 clearly show that it no longer has real 20-30 Hz capability, like the V1 and V2s did. Crossing the 100s over at 60 Hz will truly allow them to shine in the range they are designed for, IMO.

IMO, starting with the V3, Paradigm designed the Studio 100 to have incredible mid-bass dynamics, which make it a great choice to use as a SMALL speaker in a large room. The measurements of the V3 clearly show that it no longer has real 20-30 Hz capability, like the V1 and V2s did. Crossing the 100s over at 60 Hz will truly allow them to shine in the range they are designed for, IMO.

Is that true for 40's also ? are the eariler V have better bass responce ?

There are many threads and talks on other sites and forums that pretty much all say that 99% of the time, for home theater setups, all speakers should be set to SMALL regardless of speaker size.

My main speakers are Paradigm S8's and a C5 center. All set to small. The Servo-15 handles the low end (sub 80Hz).

kal

There are many threads and talks on other sites and forums that pretty much all say that 99% of the time, for home theater setups, all speakers should be set to SMALL regardless of speaker size.

My main speakers are Paradigm S8's and a C5 center. All set to small. The Servo-15 handles the low end (sub 80Hz).

kal

But is that true for music 2 channel listening ?

But is that true for music 2 channel listening ?Why not? The laws of acoustics do not treat stereo differently from multichannel. ;)

He might be referring to a 2-channel setup w/o a sub, in which case you'd obviously set a speaker like the 100's to large.

J.

He might be referring to a 2-channel setup w/o a sub, in which case you'd obviously set a speaker like the 100's to large.J.Mebbe. OTOH, one could listen to stereo with two main speakers and the sub.

Which is what I do, but (as you certainly know) some people are particular about a straight-up 2-channel setup w/ no sub and would opt to run a larger speaker, like the 80 or 100, large.

J.

I am interested in recommendations of Studio-20 or Studio-40 for rear speakers.

Any reason not to stay with HSG-18?

Thank you
Bryan

How big is your room?

No reason not to keep the 18 unless you have the funds for the DD18. :D

John,

My current room is about 14' x 24' x 7.5'. I plan to build a bigger room, which will probably be something on the order of 20' x 30' x 10' (not those exact dimensions), but something acoustically correct, and in that order of magnitude.

THx
Bryan

John,

My current room is about 14' x 24' x 7.5'. I plan to build a bigger room, which will probably be something on the order of 20' x 30' x 10' (not those exact dimensions), but something acoustically correct, and in that order of magnitude.

THx
Bryan

I'd go with the 40s in anticipation of the bigger room in the future. On the other hand a new room is a great reason for a complete upgrade to the Sig. line.

If anyone has any recommendations on Paradigm dealers who will work with me on price please PM me. St. Louis only has one Paradigm dealer, and they not only won't work with me on cost, they don't have the Studio-100 speakers on display, and they did not know anything about the V4s or new center and surround speakers. I have heard the speakers at Cedia, and I have heard them at CES in the past. I have alse heard them a couple of times when I have been out of town on business trips.

Any tips would be appreciated.

Bryan

Last time I checked, the Paradigm dealer locator, on their site, will give you the closest dealer to you, depending on your zip (Obviously they don't want you shopping around?)

Just enter some other zips from your surrounding area, and you may come up with someone else.

There are many threads and talks on other sites and forums that pretty much all say that 99% of the time, for home theater setups, all speakers should be set to SMALL regardless of speaker size.

My main speakers are Paradigm S8's and a C5 center. All set to small. The Servo-15 handles the low end (sub 80Hz).

kal

If you set your S8 to small and your C5, aren't you wasting all the money you spent for the 10 bass drivers in those speakers??

If you set your S8 to small and your C5, aren't you wasting all the money you spent for the 10 bass drivers in those speakers??
Now, that's a good question. It seems to me that, leaving aside personal budgetary considerations, that it would depend on the relative characteristics and quality of one's subwoofer, but I'd love to hear a more authoritative and technical response.

If you set your S8 to small and your C5, aren't you wasting all the money you spent for the 10 bass drivers in those speakers??Nope. The crossover between bass and midrange is at 250Hz. Crossing over to a sub below 80Hz will let those S8 bass drivers handle huge amounts of mid- to upper-bass dynamics. Besides, their FR is rated +/-2dB to 41Hz with a room-boosted DIN extension to 28Hz. Using a sub will let them roar.

Exactly as the other Kal said... not to mention that even with a crossover set to 80Hz, it's not a 'brickwall'. Meaning that there's quite a bit of content making it to the S8/C5 speakers at 60Hz and some even at 40Hz.

kal

In fact, it likely only drops 12dB at 40Hz, and will still be audible (24dB down) at 20Hz, even with them set to small and a 80Hz crossover. Without the crossover, it'll try and reproduce the entire spectrum. The mid-basses are not meant for 20Hz.

If the crossover is done in the digital domain, wouldn't it be easy to create a brick wall, or at least some steep slopes?

And dont forget setting it to small reduce the workload of the amplifier driving those speakers. Easier workload = better sound from the same amp.

I just bought a pair of used ADP 470's and I'm loving them so far. I have 2 questions:

1) Since they're used they didn't come with the mounts. How are you guys mounting them on your wall?

2) I pretty much sit right next to the back wall and am restricted to placing the speakers on that wall or on the ceiling facing downwards. What placement would you guys recommend?

I'm using the supplied brackets...you can get a replacement pair from your dealer or directly from Paradigm, I think they're about $20, but well worth it because they hold the speaker perfectly flush to the wall which is hard to do with a homemade mount. I used to have the 170's and had to fashion a wood bracket (z-bracket) because I had misplaced the mounts when I finally got around to taking them off stands and wall-mounting them (toddlers and stand-mounted speakers don't play well together). It worked pretty well, but for the money that the brackets cost, I think it's well worth it to get them.

As far as where to mount them, I would definitely recommend the back wall. Unless you're putting a heck of a safety strap on that thing, I wouldn't be comfortable with a 470 hanging over my head. For that matter, if you're thinking of ceiling mounting them, why not go with an in-ceiling speaker from the Reference line? Personally, I'd stick with the 470 and wall-mount them behind you.

J.

You mean setting it to "small"...:)

J.
yep. stupid me. original post has been edited.

yep. stupid me. original post has been edited.
Likewise...:)

J.

So I've heard really good things about Paradigm speakers... I'm looking forward to a personal trial this weekend. Before I go, I'd like to know if I'm smoking the really good stuff, or if it would be possible to find 2xStudio 60s, 2xStudio ADP-470s, and a CC-470/570 for around $1500?

If not, what should i expect to pay for this setup, should I be looking online somewhere for this equipment, or should I be considering something else entirely for this price point?

raab

For all five speakers you've listed, that's way low. Find out the list price and then try to get a 15 percent discount at your local dealer.

So I've heard really good things about Paradigm speakers... I'm looking forward to a personal trial this weekend. Before I go, I'd like to know if I'm smoking the really good stuff, or if it would be possible to find 2xStudio 60s, 2xStudio ADP-470s, and a CC-470/570 for around $1500?

If not, what should i expect to pay for this setup, should I be looking online somewhere for this equipment, or should I be considering something else entirely for this price point?

raab

Try this link for an idea of retail pricing.

http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.htm#Paradigm

So I've heard really good things about Paradigm speakers... I'm looking forward to a personal trial this weekend. Before I go, I'd like to know if I'm smoking the really good stuff, or if it would be possible to find 2xStudio 60s, 2xStudio ADP-470s, and a CC-470/570 for around $1500?

If not, what should i expect to pay for this setup, should I be looking online somewhere for this equipment, or should I be considering something else entirely for this price point? List prices (MSRP) for studio v3's are here:

http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.htm#Paradigm

Studio 60 $1700/pr
ADP-470 $1100/pr
CC-470 $700
CC-570 $900

Total MSRP: $3500-3700. Pretty far from $1500. You'd need a 60% off discount.

You're smoking the REALLY good stuff. :)

kal

Anyone have a recommendation on which sub I should get to go with this system?

Monitor 7 - Fronts
CC-370 - Center
ADP-370 - Surround
Pioneer VSX-1016TXV Receiver

Anyone have a recommendation on which sub I should get to go with this system?

Monitor 7 - Fronts
CC-370 - Center
ADP-370 - Surround
Pioneer VSX-1016TXV Receiver


The sub you get has nothing to do with your speaker brand or type. It depends on your room size dimensions and other factors.

One good place to look is here:

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub.cfm

If the crossover is done in the digital domain, wouldn't it be easy to create a brick wall, or at least some steep slopes?
Though it would seem to make sense in theory, it doesn't quite work that way. The most practical reason is that I don't think there are any audio processors that exist that can do that.

A more theoretical reason is that speakers naturally have a rolloff toward the edges of their range. A floorstander may be relatively flat to 80Hz and have a gradual rolloff from there, and the sub may be flat up to 60Hz and have a rolloff from there. At that point, the ideal point for the crossover (everything else being equal which they rarely are, of course) would be 70Hz. Since they are both say -3dB at 70Hz due to their rolloffs, the combination of the two speakers will result in a +3dB gain which will make it flat overall when you combine the two play a freq sweep across the crossover point.

There are other reasons such as harmonics that could be negatively affected without a standard crossover. Remember that the ideal situation is no crossover at all, and the drivers naturally merge together at the perfect rolloff slopes and values so they combine to provide a flat, but more importantly, uncolored sound that is void of a transition between drivers. The more complex a crossover is, the more colored the sound gets. A "brickwall" crossover would be the extreme of that (though what I'm saying about the crossover applies in the analog domain, not digital.. just something to be mindful of in general).

Does anyone have any history with Esprit/BP speakers? My (10 year old??) pair still sounds pretty good (though I haven’t auditioned speakers in years) and now I’d like to use them in a home theater.

A Dec ’04 article of Stereophile claims their isn’t a center speaker that matches Esprit/BP speakers. Does Paradigm even make bipolar’s anymore? Thoughts?

I sold my Esprit/BPs to a colleague and he constantly tells me how much he loves them. AFAIK, the only BPs that Paradigm makes are for surround/rear use.

Oh, I did not claim that there were no matching centers for the Esprit/BPs, just relaying the statement from Paradigm. Frankly, I'd not use any BPs for multichannel, but that's me.

Too much sound bouncing all over the place (not isolated)??? Thanks for the post -I wasn't expecting a response from the author.

Too much sound bouncing all over the place (not isolated)??? Yeah. Too much effort is devoted to the specificity of the channels and their balancing to subject it all to the randomness of additional room reflections.

Thanks for the post -I wasn't expecting a response from the author.Always happy to surprise.

Anyone have a recommendation on which sub I should get to go with this system?

Monitor 7 - Fronts
CC-370 - Center
ADP-370 - Surround
Pioneer VSX-1016TXV Receiver

If you like what you've already seen from Paradigm, the Servo-15 or the PW2200 would integrate nicely with the speakers you already have.

It seems that I am! heh

Thanks for that link guys, it looks like the Monitor series is more geared to my price range than the Studio series (Paradigm's website is damn hard to navigate). So I could afford a pair of Monitor 7s, Mini Monitors, and a CC-370. I could possibly stretch my budget a bit and get the Studio 9s and Studio 3s. The question is do you think it's worth paying extra for the larger speakers? I live in a 1 bdrm apt, and plan on buying a separate subwoofer in the future, so pure volume isn't an important factor. I'm much more concerned with build and sound quality. Are there any advantages in upgrading to 8" drivers over 6.5" besides volume? Also, I noticed the mini monitors accept a max power input around half of what my future receiver will output. Is this a problem, will the receiver adjust automatically, or is this something I can manually adjust? What are the general feelings here on the Monitor series? What weaknesses (if any) does Paradigm suffer from? What about the Studio series in particular? I realize the response will be rather slanted here, but I'm interested in hearing from the owners here. Thanks, to all.

raab

I would think the Monitors with an 8" would give ya more lows
I have the studio 40's with 7"and the SA-35's with 8" give more punch Unph

I just got done setting up my new CC-690 and all I can say is WOW! It replaced a CC-570v3. The soundstage is much wider. Clarity is greatly improved, and a slight boxiness that always seemed to be present is gone. I am just listening to dialog right now, but will do more critical listening to multi channel music and some movies tomorrow night.

I just got done setting up my new CC-690 and all I can say is WOW! It replaced a CC-570v3. The soundstage is much wider. Clarity is greatly improved, and a slight boxiness that always seemed to be present is gone. I am just listening to dialog right now, but will do more critical listening to multi channel music and some movies tomorrow night.


Can you post a couple of pixs with the grill on and off?

List prices (MSRP) for studio v3's are here:

http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.htm#Paradigm

Studio 60 $1700/pr
ADP-470 $1100/pr
CC-470 $700
CC-570 $900

Total MSRP: $3500-3700. Pretty far from $1500. You'd need a 60% off discount.

You're smoking the REALLY good stuff. :)

kal
Maybe he meant in the used market ? $1.5-$2k is prob doable used.

The Monitor 7s will go plenty loud, even in a house. My friend has them, with the CC370 and the mini monitors and just upgraded his sub from the PS1200 to the PW2200. The sound is great using a 40 W/Ch Harmon Kardon receiver. We also tried the Ultracube 12, which I just bought, on his system and we both feel the ultracube sounds almost identical to the PW2200, but it is smaller (and costs a bit more). I am in an apartment and the reduced size is nice. I wouldn't worry about the power handing on the mini monitor. The surrounds almost never demand that much power, and even then it is always for a short time. Adding a sub will give the Monitor 7s a break, so I would do that. You might want to act fast because the series is being replaced and you should be able to get around 20% off easily, and 35% off demos. if there are any left. The monitor 9s do not seem to be as well liked as the 7s, and if you add a sub, the bass difference will be lost anyway. If I were going without a sub, I might consider the 9s over the 7s, but only in that case.

Can you post a couple of pixs with the grill on and off?

Hi John. Will do. I have to head out to work so check back in tonight and they will be up. What the heck happened to the Eagles this year? I assume you are a fan as you gave me an Eagles chant when you saw the picture of my Philadephia Eagles room I posted. Anyway, I did some more listening last night with my son and we both agree the dispersion and tonal clarity on the 690 far exceeds the 570. There were times when watching a TV show or sporting event that I would just switch to 7ch stereo to avoid the "compressed" voices. Not that it was huge, but it always seemed to bother me. I am passively biamping my L/C/R with a Denon 5805, and have a decent room treatment layout that was designed by Brian at Sensible Sound Solutions (bpape). My Studio 100's are 8'3" apart, and I believe this distance begged for a center with a larger dispersion capability.

Hi John. Will do. I have to head out to work so check back in tonight and they will be up. What the heck happened to the Eagles this year? I assume you are a fan as you gave me an Eagles chant when you saw the picture of my Philadephia Eagles room I posted. Anyway, I did some more listening last night with my son and we both agree the dispersion and tonal clarity on the 690 far exceeds the 570. There were times when watching a TV show or sporting event that I would just switch to 7ch stereo to avoid the "compressed" voices. Not that it was huge, but it always seemed to bother me. I am passively biamping my L/C/R with a Denon 5805, and have a decent room treatment layout that was designed by Brian at Sensible Sound Solutions (bpape). My Studio 100's are 8'3" apart, and I believe this distance begged for a center with a larger dispersion capability.

It's been a brutal 3 weeks but I'm still drinking the kool aid. A buddy of mine got me a ticket to see the beatdown of the deadskins coming off the bye week on the 12th which will jump start us back to the top of the NFC East. :D

Looking forward to the photos.

It's been a brutal 3 weeks but I'm still drinking the kool aid. A buddy of mine got me a ticket to see the beatdown of the deadskins coming off the bye week on the 12th which will jump start us back to the top of the NFC East. :D

Looking forward to the photos.


Here ya go John. I put the full size Eagles helmet on the floor for a size reference.
Sorry for the crappy quality, but we are going out to dinner and I took 'em fast. I can redo tomorrow morning.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/22332698@N00/?saved=1

That's quite a departure from the 570. What's the cabinet finish that you have?

J.

On a completely different note, has anyone used a pair of 20s as their computer speakers. Thinking of upgrading my crappy 5.1 computer speakers a to a good pair of 2.1 speakers. Would sitting that close be a problem?

How would a pair of s2's sound as computer speakers? Waste of money?

Yes I have, and no it's not a waste.

I use a pair of 20s as both computer speakers and the front of my office HT. They are roughly an arms-length away when I'm at the computer. I play music on iTunes and DVDs on DVD Player on an iMac, optical to an Arcam AVR 250 and the 20s. The Arcam is probably overkill, but I had problems with muddiness with a variety of speakers, so I wanted to get electronics that I could be confident wouldn't be a problem.

Rears are JBL N24II's. I listen to music a lot more than movies, and my movies don't tend to push the surround sound. The JBL's are a really fine cheap speaker, and are sufficiently similar to the Paradigms. If I were doing it again I might use Paradigms, but I got the JBLs first. My initial setup was 4 JBLs and a cheap Denon. Much better than any of the computer sound systems. And 4 identical speakers has its advantages. If I cared about movie sound, I'd move the Studio 20s to the rear and get a pair of V4 20's for the front.

The 20s sound very slightly different close up. However it's certainly not a problem. It's well worth doing. In order to get the best image I have to rotate one of the speakers when I go from the computer console out into the room.

I have iTunes eq out the mid-bass peak. (See the review at www.stereophile.com if you don't know what I'm talking about.) Without that they tend to be muddy for complex choral works. I find this a more bothersome close up, though it may well apply even at a distance. I have some evidence that this peak is exciting a room resonance, so this might not be an issue for you. I happen to listen to just the type of music where the peak shows up, large-scale classical works with orchestra and chorus. 6 db cut at 125, 3db cut at 64 and 250.

DVD Player has an eq, but it doesn't seem to work in Dolby passthrough mode. However I've never felt the need to eq movies.

I've never listened to s2's.

I see nothing wrong with good equipment when I'm at the computer. After all, I spend more time there than anywhere else. I don't find the sound significantly inferior from a few feet away.

I also have a pair of good headphones. However I don't like wearing headphones for a long time. (I think part of this is that I wear glasses.) I have Beyerdynamic DT880s. They're really fine, and the Arcam headphone outs work just fine with them.

4. Right now I have the setting set to: Small Speaker, but i dont own a sub yet. The reciever doesnt give me an option to not have a sub in these settings. It says Present next to sub, so I dont know what to do. If I switch the speakers to Large, I can choose not to have a sub.


huh? There's a reason they assume a sub is present when you set the mains to small. Small means that the low frequences are diverted to the sub. If there's no sub there, you get no bass. If you just want to send the LFE to the sub, set the speakers to large and say there is a sub present. Then it sends the normal bass to the fronts, but LFE to the sub.

That's quite a departure from the 570. What's the cabinet finish that you have?

J.


They are finished in black ash. The picture quality could be better, and I'll post better ones tomorrow. I was in a rush to get the wife to dinner.

The Monitor 7s will go plenty loud, even in a house. My friend has them, with the CC370 and the mini monitors and just upgraded his sub from the PS1200 to the PW2200. The sound is great using a 40 W/Ch Harmon Kardon receiver. We also tried the Ultracube 12, which I just bought, on his system and we both feel the ultracube sounds almost identical to the PW2200, but it is smaller (and costs a bit more). I am in an apartment and the reduced size is nice. I wouldn't worry about the power handing on the mini monitor. The surrounds almost never demand that much power, and even then it is always for a short time. Adding a sub will give the Monitor 7s a break, so I would do that. You might want to act fast because the series is being replaced and you should be able to get around 20% off easily, and 35% off demos. if there are any left. The monitor 9s do not seem to be as well liked as the 7s, and if you add a sub, the bass difference will be lost anyway. If I were going without a sub, I might consider the 9s over the 7s, but only in that case.


Thanks for the feedback on this matter, Luap. There's surprisingly little difference in price between the 7s and 9s, though of course I don't want to spend any money needlessly. I'll have to ask my local paradigm dealer about my receiver power concerns when I visit tomorrow, as that's the only thing that worries me. Seems strange though, I mean how many bookshelf surround speakers actually can handle 140W? As for a sub, I'm planning on scooping up an SVS once I get the rest of the speakers here. So, being able to belt out the lows isn't a concern for these speakers, the overall quality of sound is.

I was unaware that this series is being replaced. What with, and should I bother waiting for it? I'd like a bit more info on this before I march into my Paradigm dealer and ask for a hefty discount because 'a guy on the internet said these speakers were to be discontinued' heh. %20 off MSRP would be quite rad, but I want to make sure I have a chance at that before I start making price demands and threaten to leave if they aren't met.

raab

Here ya go John. I put the full size Eagles helmet on the floor for a size reference.
Sorry for the crappy quality, but we are goiung out to dinner. I can redo tomorrow morning.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/22332698@N00/?saved=1


As Jason said that is definately a departure from the 570. I like it but don't have room for it. :( Did you keep your 570?

Go Sixers!

The cc690 looks so sweet. I'll be selling my 570 to the first interested buyer. That thing is going to fit so well under my plasma.

As Jason said that is definately a departure from the 570. I like it but don't have room for it. :( Did you keep your 570?

Go Sixers!

No. As soon as I saw the CEDIA picture of the 690 posted here, I sold it. :D I've been wanting to upgrade the center for quite some time now, but couldn't justify the Sig C-5 to the wife. The 690 got the nod immediatly.


Go Birds!

The cc690 looks so sweet. I'll be selling my 570 to the first interested buyer. That thing is going to fit so well under my plasma.

I listed mine here in the Speakers For Sale Forum. It lasted 2 days! Trust me on this one, you will be very impressed with the 690.

I purchased all new Studio V3's in May and my dealer said he'd give me full price back on an upgade to the V4's if it's within a year! I ordered the new CC-690 the other day! It should arrive in about 10 days!

I was unaware that this series is being replaced. What with, and should I bother waiting for it? I'd like a bit more info on this before I march into my Paradigm dealer and ask for a hefty discount because 'a guy on the internet said these speakers were to be discontinued' heh. %20 off MSRP would be quite rad, but I want to make sure I have a chance at that before I start making price demands and threaten to leave if they aren't met.
raab

Version 5 will be out soon... but Paradigm never says exactly when. I've seen a picture from some audio show in September (I think a link is posted earlier in this thread). It appears that they will be different looking models this time. I read that they will be 3-5 db more efficient, which is good, but that they are rolling the bass off higher to accomplish that. If you will use a sub, that may not matter. I find that 91-94 db/W is quite efficient, so 96-97/W while great lost out to the price cut on the discontinued models.

I am getting studio 20s for the rear speakers in a 5.1 system. They measure 15" tall by 8.25" wide and 12.75" deep and weigh about 22 lbs. We were going to put them on speaker stands but I have 3 dogs and we are thinking that may be a problem with the clumsy mutts knocking against the stands.

Do you have any recommendations for extra sturdy stands? Have any of you mounted these on wall mounts or shelfs?

Any advice/experience would be greatly appreciated.

Hello all-

I'm looking at a new set of speakers in the next few months. My budget is somewhat flexible and as far as I can tell, buying used for speakers isn't a horrible thing. My application is just about 100% HT, although the speakers will be used for background music. Obviously, I'm most concerned about the center. My room is about 14x25.

My question is: What is the primary sound different between the Signatures and the Studios? Or is it just a "quality of sound" thing? I was thinking with the new v4, the new center would give very nice performance similar to the C-5.

I'm going to audition these speakers in the next couple of weeks, but just curious what to expect.

Thanks,
Chris

I am getting studio 20s for the rear speakers in a 5.1 system. They measure 15" tall by 8.25" wide and 12.75" deep and weigh about 22 lbs. We were going to put them on speaker stands but I have 3 dogs and we are thinking that may be a problem with the clumsy mutts knocking against the stands.

Do you have any recommendations for extra sturdy stands? Have any of you mounted these on wall mounts or shelfs?

Any advice/experience would be greatly appreciated.
I DIYed a pair of stands for my 20s, filled with play sand, the stands plus speakers were about 70# each. The 20s come with threaded inserts on the bottom, so they can be screwed to the stands. With you using them as surrounds, I would think the stands would have to be higher, which would make them even more unstable.

But we also have cat/dogs around here, if you could mount the 20s on the wall that would be the safest bet. Maybe a shelf with a 25-30# capacity?



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So I'm going to re-wire my rear surrounds in anticipation of either a set of ADP-470's or ADP-590's. It's about a 25-30' run and I'd like to do it bi-wired. What gague(s) would you recommend? Power is coming from a Denon 3806. Thanks.

Well it only took a week for my dealer to get my speakers, so that was great.

I added the V3 ADP-470's to my V2 Studio 40 & Studio CC setup - replacing an old pair of Atoms - and all I can say is what in the hell was I thinking when I cheaped out and got the Atoms instead of the ADP-470's a few years ago???

Hugely different sound - seamless timbre matching. No more "gee that sounds kinda hollow in the back" surround sounds...

I'm a very happy boy today.

BTW, my dealer (Cherry Creek Audio in Denver) is selling all their floor model Signatures for 30% off in anticipation of the new models coming out. I got to see them yesterday (I didn't dare listen due to my intense case of upgradeitis ;) ), and these babies are gorgeous. True furniture quality finishes. They are bigger than Ithought they would be as well. Even the S4 has a big footprint. But, did I mention they were gorgeous???

If anyone is interested they are taking reservations on the floor models with a 10% deposit. Dealer tried to talk me into it yesterday but luckily I wouldn't bite...

So I'm going to re-wire my rear surrounds in anticipation of either a set of ADP-470's or ADP-590's. It's about a 25-30' run and I'd like to do it bi-wired. What gague(s) would you recommend? Power is coming from a Denon 3806. Thanks.


Just my .02, save your money and run regular wire for the rear surrounds and forget bi-wiring them. Not much point in it coming from the 3086. If you have a separate amp to bi-amp them and money to throw away on wires then go for it.

Been working on the room for quite a while and have been gathering the gear in the meantime. This weekend finally got it all set up. Studio 40 mains CC-470 center SA-30 inwall Surround, SA-25 inwall Rears. Running the front 3 bi-amped from 6 channels of a NAD T973, and the Surround/Rears from a Denon 3805. Seismic 10 Sub. WOW !!! The room is long and narrow (12x25) so was wondering it the 10 would be enough. It is. Well got to go listen to SACD Dark Side of the moon, and get ready for the Pat's game tonight.

I am purchasing a pair of Studio 100'sV4 and selling an 8th month old pair of Monitor 90p's in mint shape, $1900.00Cdn. If anyone is interested email me at, shari@personainternet.ca.

Been working on the room for quite a while and have been gathering the gear in the meantime. This weekend finally got it all set up. Studio 40 mains CC-470 center SA-30 inwall Surround, SA-25 inwall Rears. Running the front 3 bi-amped from 6 channels of a NAD T973, and the Surround/Rears from a Denon 3805. Seismic 10 Sub. WOW !!! The room is long and narrow (12x25) so was wondering it the 10 would be enough. It is. Well got to go listen to SACD Dark Side of the moon, and get ready for the Pat's game tonight.
Congrats on the setup. I would like to hear what you think of the inwall speakers after some more critical listening. Give us an update when you can.
BTW, I thought it was a Colts game. ;)

BTW, I thought it was a Colts game. ;)At half-time, it is.

lentiman,
Do you have similar specs for the Monitor v.5? I was about to order the v.4 (Monitor 7/CC-370/ADP-370), but my dealer says he cannot order them anymore. He wants me to order the v.5, but has no specs for it.

Thanks


Attached is the .pdf of the v4 specs, sizes, etc. It's the official Paradigm flyer. Enjoy.


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I've got a set of new in the box ADP-470's if anyone is interested in them...

Nope, got no specs. But if you email Paradigm they'll email you a .pdf, that's how I got mine.

lentiman,
Do you have similar specs for the Monitor v.5? I was about to order the v.4 (Monitor 7/CC-370/ADP-370), but my dealer says he cannot order them anymore. He wants me to order the v.5, but has no specs for it.

Thanks
I just asked Gary Takeda for a spec sheet for the Monitor v5 line.
I'll attach it when I get it.

Kal Rubinson,

I read your column in Stereophile. What's your take on the changes to the Studio line, particularly as they affect the 60s and 100s? I currently have a pair of the Signature S2s and am considering adding either the 60s or 100s for a more full range speaker.

Mike Sherman

Kal Rubinson,

I read your column in Stereophile. What's your take on the changes to the Studio line, particularly as they affect the 60s and 100s? I currently have a pair of the Signature S2s and am considering adding either the 60s or 100s for a more full range speaker.

Mike ShermanOn paper, they are improvements and they probably are. However, having not actually 'heard' them yet, I cannot comment further.

I just picked up my Studio 20v.4's today, and have them setup in an A/B setup with my Studio 20v.3's right now. It may be hard to tell at first since the v.4s haven't gone through break-in yet, but I'll put my opinions up as I compare them.

Off to listen! :D

-K

Hi John, with all due respect, that's pooradvice. I just biwired my studio 60v3's and noticed an audible difference and I'm very skeptical about things like that. The 3806 has plenty of clean power.

Just my .02, save your money and run regular wire for the rear surrounds and forget bi-wiring them. Not much point in it coming from the 3086. If you have a separate amp to bi-amp them and money to throw away on wires then go for it.