Quick question is it just me BUT
When I am listening to music from my 40's LOUD they sound great
When I listen at low levels they seem lifeless and a lack of lows and drive .
I have herd speakers still have some balls at low listening levels
I am using a Denon 3805

Actually though the new Studio ADP 590, which replaces the 470(or does it?), is said to be a 5 driver unit, instead of the 470's 4 drivers. For $100 bucks more, I would be interested to see if there is a difference.



How can these speakers have an odd number of drivers? I thought they are two identical speakers facing different ways.

So the ADP 470s had 2 drivers on each face -- for a total of 4.

So how can the new ADPs have 5 drivers? Where does the one odd driver go?

Look at the links in this thread to the new speakers.....the new ADPs have smaller mid-drivers on the sides, with a single larger woofer on the front baffle, just like the Sig ADPs.

How can these speakers have an odd number of drivers? I thought they are two identical speakers facing different ways.

So the ADP 470s had 2 drivers on each face -- for a total of 4.

So how can the new ADPs have 5 drivers? Where does the one odd driver go?

Hmm, found a picture of the ADP 590. So do you point the huge woofer right at your row of seats then? It used to be they said, point the "null" (no drivers) at your row of seats:

http://i.wp.pl/a/f/jpeg/10919/kolumny-2-b.jpeg

Look at the links in this thread to the new speakers.....the new ADPs have smaller mid-drivers on the sides, with a single larger woofer on the front baffle, just like the Sig ADPs.


Yeah, just found this pic -- so how do you set it up then? Remember when it was point the "null" at your seats. No null now. Also, will these still fit in well with my Studio 20s v.3 and my studio cc 470 v.3? Or should I buy the ADP 470 (v.3) before they are gone):

http://i.wp.pl/a/f/jpeg/10919/kolumny-2-b.jpeg

Yes, you point the woofer at the listening position...it only operates at the low frequencies anyway. Paradigm has very consistent frequency response between versions, so they probably don't sound that different than 470 v3s, other than perhaps more bass.

Hmm, found a picture of the ADP 590. So do you point the huge woofer right at your row of seats then? It used to be they said, point the "null" (no drivers) at your row of seats:

http://i.wp.pl/a/f/jpeg/10919/kolumny-2-b.jpegWhere did you find the hi-rez photo at?

-K

Where did you find the hi-rez photo at?

-K

Here (don't even know what language this is):

http://media.wp.pl/kat,44834,wid,8582610,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=12a31

Oh, even bigger and better here (I'm guessing these sites are Polish):

http://www.kinodomowe.idg.pl/news/101965.html

Hi John, with all due respect, that's pooradvice. I just biwired my studio 60v3's and noticed an audible difference and I'm very skeptical about things like that. The 3806 has plenty of clean power.

Are you using your 60s as your front mains or for surrounds?

If you're using them as your surrounds just how much "information" is coming from them that it really makes a noticable difference during a movie?

I won't go into the bi-wire - bi amp discussion. As I said, just my .02 bi wiring some 20s for rear surround is a waste of money.

The 60's are my mains. I do understand what you're saying about information, and that does make sense though for the surrounds. I took affront to a perceived slight against my Denon, that it would not have enough power/love/karma to run anything beneficially in a bi-wire configuration. Somtimes I use my 5.1 setup for music though and in situations like that it _may_ make sense to have the surrounds bi-wired. I'll either be using ADP-470's or ADP-590's for surrounds.

Are you using your 60s as your front mains or for surrounds?

If you're using them as your surrounds just how much "information" is coming from them that it really makes a noticable difference during a movie?

Yeah, just found this pic -- so how do you set it up then? Remember when it was point the "null" at your seats. No null now. Also, will these still fit in well with my Studio 20s v.3 and my studio cc 470 v.3? Or should I buy the ADP 470 (v.3) before they are gone):


Maybe someone who has been using the Signature ADPs can chime in, since they look similar.

lhttp://signature.paradigm.com/HTML_Site/SigProduct/ADP/Spec_Images/S_ADP.jpg

Here (don't even know what language this is):

http://media.wp.pl/kat,44834,wid,8582610,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=12a31

Oh, even bigger and better here (I'm guessing these sites are Polish):

http://www.kinodomowe.idg.pl/news/101965.htmlCool, thanks!!

So far after doing my comparison (as posted above) between Studio 20 v.3 & v.4's there is a difference. As they break in you can hear the sound change. I know that for sure since I am using the v.3s as a control. At first the v.3s sounded better, but now after a little break-in the v.4's sound better. After some more breaking in they should really be great (as if the v.3's aren't). :D

I'll post more as they break in more and I listen to them more.

-K

Hi guy's

Would the new CC-690 Timber match my Studio 60 V3's? I won't be changing my whole setup since everything is less than a year old. But i would like to get the new center to replace my CC570.

Any toughts.

Cool, thanks!!

So far after doing my comparison (as posted above) between Studio 20 v.3 & v.4's there is a difference. As they break in you can hear the sound change. I know that for sure since I am using the v.3s as a control. At first the v.3s sounded better, but now after a little break-in the v.4's sound better. After some more breaking in they should really be great (as if the v.3's aren't). :D

I'll post more as they break in more and I listen to them more.

-K

Your saying you can hear the sound change. In what way do they sound better than the V3's? Is the highs more clear?

I am purchasing a pair of Studio 100'sV4 and selling an 8th month old pair of Monitor 90p's in mint shape, $1900.00Cdn. If anyone is interested email me at, shari@personainternet.ca.
Seems like a lot... Dealers will often give 20% off MSLP for new speakers and 35% for demos. Is the warranty transferrable?

Hi, new here. Had decided to buy Studio 100s when I went to the dealer not long ago and discovered that they had come out with v.4. Thing is I can buy a demo v.3 pair for $1,800 and a v.4 pair would be $2,500. The $700 isn't insignificant to me. I had been hoping to pick up a used Rotel RB-1090 and if I get the v.4 I might be buying an Adcom. Nothing against Adcom...just a matter of $s. Ideas....thoughts?? Thanks, Mike

Hi guy's

Would the new CC-690 Timber match my Studio 60 V3's? I won't be changing my whole setup since everything is less than a year old. But i would like to get the new center to replace my CC570.

Any toughts.

I can tell you that it timber matches perfectly with my 100v3's. I love the improved clarity and dynamics the 690 has over the 570v3. I have had mine for just about a week now and highly recomend it.

Your saying you can hear the sound change. In what way do they sound better than the V3's? Is the highs more clear?So far yes. They have been broke-in for about 10 hours now and can hear a big change over that time. At first the v.4s seemed very grainy, harsh and hollow, so the v.3s sounded better. But now after having the v.4s running for a while, when I switch back to the v.3s I don't like the sound of the v.3s.

FWIW, what I have noticed is that the soundstage seems a little bigger, the highs are clearer and not as forward, and they are more transparent. Voices sound noticeably much better on the v.4s to me. I don't have a whole lot of experience in doing critical listening with the Sig v.1 stuff, but from what I remember, these seem like a Sig v.1 "light" to me. Not quite as good as the Sigs, but on that same track.

There are my opinions! Take them for what they are worth.

As they break in more, I will update.

-K

Hi guy's

Would the new CC-690 Timber match my Studio 60 V3's? I won't be changing my whole setup since everything is less than a year old. But i would like to get the new center to replace my CC570.

Any toughts.


ILKER,
Ask your dealer if you can get full value on your current setup for a trade to the V4. I purchased my studio 100's, cc570, and ADP 470 v3 in May 06 and my dealer said I can get full price back on them toward V4. I just have to pay the difference in cost. I think it would be worth the consideration if the V4's sound better than the V3's.

ILKER,
Ask your dealer if you can get full value on your current setup for a trade to the V4. I purchased my studio 100's, cc570, and ADP 470 v3 in May 06 and my dealer said I can get full price back on them toward V4. I just have to pay the difference in cost. I think it would be worth the consideration if the V4's sound better than the V3's.
Wow! I also purchased 100's in May. I asked my dealer if I could trade them in for v.4s and was told no. He said that going from one version to another is not considered an upgrade. I would have to move up to sigs. Is he blowing smoke or what? Does anyone know Paradigms policy on this?
On a related note, has anyone heard the new S6?

AFAIK, the upgrade option is a dealer call. In my area, one offers it, but another doesn't.

The one that does only offers upgrades that are double the cost of the trade-in, within a one year period. So to trade in an $800 speaker, one would have to buy a $1600 speaker, or pay the difference.

This worked out great for me when I traded in my 20s for 60s.

Maybe someone who has been using the Signature ADPs can chime in, since they look similar.

lhttp://signature.paradigm.com/HTML_Site/SigProduct/ADP/Spec_Images/S_ADP.jpg

I have my Signature ADP (v1's) in line with my second row of seats. The large driver handles the lower frequencies so it's harder to place. I tried various positions and ended up with this.

I was also quite amazed at how low these things will go if there's low frequency content. Just for fun I hooked up the Sig ADPs as my mains when I first got them (and set the crossover to large). They're capable of delivering considerable bass content.

kal

JKHOME is right, because I thought about trading up my studios for Signatures and he said no. I can only get full trade in value of my speakers if I trade within the line. Monitor for Monitor, Studio for Studio, and Sig. for Sig.

Cool, thanks!!

So far after doing my comparison (as posted above) between Studio 20 v.3 & v.4's there is a difference. As they break in you can hear the sound change. I know that for sure since I am using the v.3s as a control. At first the v.3s sounded better, but now after a little break-in the v.4's sound better. After some more breaking in they should really be great (as if the v.3's aren't). :D

I'll post more as they break in more and I listen to them more.

-K

Speakers don't "break in". It's your ears getting accustomed to the new sound. If speakers actually got better sounding as they play more then this gradual surge in quality would have to reach a peak sooner or later, and then where would the sound quality go from there...down? (There's been some good articles on this but I don't have the links saved)

Speakers don't "break in". It's your ears getting accustomed to the new sound. If speakers actually got better sounding as they play more then this gradual surge in quality would have to reach a peak sooner or later, and then where would the sound quality go from there...down? (There's been some good articles on this but I don't have the links saved)

Let's not open up this debate.

If someone believes on their system, in their house, where they are King, that the speakers sound better after break in, then they sound better after break in. In another house were someone else is King and they believe their ears just got accustomed to the sound, then their ears broke in.

JKHOME is right, because I thought about trading up my studios for Signatures and he said no. I can only get full trade in value of my speakers if I trade within the line. Monitor for Monitor, Studio for Studio, and Sig. for Sig.

I'm not sure if my dealer would let me upgrade from Studios to Sigs. I suspect in his case it's the matter of a certain profit margin, where as it shouldn't make a difference ( plus the dealer is going to make a boatload more profit from selling Sigs) :D

I see John, that you believe in relative truth, not absolute. ;) 1+1=3 in my house...

I agree not to start the debate about this, but being "king" of your house doesn't make it a palace if you live in a dog house no matter what you think about it. It's either one way or another -- whether it's significant enough that it's worth debating about is another issue.

I see John, that you believe in relative truth, not absolute. ;) 1+1=3 in my house...

I agree not to start the debate about this, but being "king" of your house doesn't make it a palace if you live in a dog house no matter what you think about it. It's either one way or another -- whether it's significant enough that it's worth debating about is another issue.

:)

JKHOME

I believe in my case I established a good relationship with my dealer; meaning that he know's he's always going to get my business for future equipment and upgrades as time goes on. I also help him market his business by sending friends and family his way. I believe in order to get what you want, you have to go that little extra mile.

I just asked Gary Takeda for a spec sheet for the Monitor v5 line.
I'll attach it when I get it.

Just got a reply from Gary Takeda of Paradigm Support ... aren't they great. The specs are attached

Thanks for the Monitor Series PDF attachment lzk4. It provided the info I needed. My order has been placed for the CC-290 to replace my CC-370. That CC-390 is a real beast!

Nice....emailing Pdigm for the studio specs now...

JKHOME is right, because I thought about trading up my studios for Signatures and he said no. I can only get full trade in value of my speakers if I trade within the line. Monitor for Monitor, Studio for Studio, and Sig. for Sig.
Interesting, I thought the upgrade thing was a Paradigm company policy.

Has anyone had a chance to demo the S6's? I asked about them last saturday and my dealer said he had never heard of them.

Nice....emailing Pdigm for the studio specs now...They were already posted in this thread a few days ago. See here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8774109&&#post8774109

kal

Just got a reply from Gary Takeda of Paradigm Support ... aren't they great. The specs are attached
Sweet - thanks very much!

What are the differences between the old and new versions of the monitor series? What did they change to them? What makes the new ones better than the old ones?

Speakers don't "break in". It's your ears getting accustomed to the new sound. If speakers actually got better sounding as they play more then this gradual surge in quality would have to reach a peak sooner or later, and then where would the sound quality go from there...down? (There's been some good articles on this but I don't have the links saved)I didn't post that to start a debate, but I should have known better. :rolleyes:

All I will say on the subject, is that the manual that Paradigm sends out, says to break them in and they will sound better after a break in. I've always been of the opinion that speakers do break in anyway, but if the manual from the manufacturer says it...

BTW, using the v.3s as a control in the experiment, the v.4s did improve with more playing time! ;)

FLAME AWAY!! :D :D

-K

I didn't post that to start a debate, but I should have known better. :rolleyes:

All I will say on the subject, is that the manual that Paradigm sends out, says to break them in and they will sound better after a break in. I've always been of the opinion that speakers do break in anyway, but if the manual from the manufacturer says it...

BTW, using the v.3s as a control in the experiment, the v.4s did improve with more playing time! ;)

FLAME AWAY!! :D :D
For what it's worth, when I first set up my Paradigm Signature S8's, I listened to them for about 2-3 songs before I had to go to bed. Wasn't that impressed. The next morning we left the house for a good 12 hours so I left them playing 20Hz-20Khz white noise from a test CD at a fairly high volume. Sat right down after that 12 hours break-in and played the exact same 2-3 songs and immediately noticed a difference for the better. They sounded a lot cleaner or less strained. (Same music, same listening levels, speakers weren't moved).

I don't want to open up the can'o'worms either, but did my ears not get used to the sound over the first 10 minutes I listened to them the first night, but during the 11th minute the second night?

Just just my 2 cents...

kal

I don't want to open up the can'o'worms either, but did my ears not get used to the sound over the first 10 minutes I listened to them the first night, but during the 11th minute the second night?No but there are many, many factors that could change your perception of the sound (temperature, humidity, mental state, metabolic state, etc.). This is a common anecdotal observation, one that I've made myself. However, it is not a demonstration of break-in.

Quick question is it just me BUT
When I am listening to music from my 40's LOUD they sound great
When I listen at low levels they seem lifeless and a lack of lows and drive .
I have herd speakers still have some balls at low listening levels
I am using a Denon 3805

No but there are many, many factors that could change your perception of the sound (temperature, humidity, mental state, metabolic state, etc.). This is a common anecdotal observation, one that I've made myself. However, it is not a demonstration of break-in.True. Good point. I'm noticing that my perception in sound is changing, but I don't have proof as to the actual reasons. Yup. Very true.

kal

True. Good point. I'm noticing that my perception is sound is changing, but I don't have proof as to the actual reasons. Yup. Very true.
kalEvery thing affects one's perceptiion. Way back when I was designing and building loudspeakers, I found that one beer or glass of wine with dinner so changed my HF perception that any EQ trims made that night were always reversed the next day. Of course, if I always listened with a buzz, I might have kept that EQ as an option. :D

Every affects one's perceptiion. Way back when I was designing and building loudspeakers, I found that one beer or glass of wine with dinner so changed my HF perception that any EQ trims made that night were always reversed the next day. Of course, if I always listened with a buzz, I might have kept that EQ as an option. :D:)
They should have an EQ dial on the back of the speaker like Revel and some others do. You could adjust it based on how many beers you've had.

kal

No but there are many, many factors that could change your perception of the sound (temperature, humidity, mental state, metabolic state, etc.). This is a common anecdotal observation, one that I've made myself. However, it is not a demonstration of break-in.The "Kal's"...you both raise good points. My experience is the same as kal's, but Kal Rubinson, you do make a very good and interesting point. Something to ponder I guess.

-K

Just got a reply from Gary Takeda of Paradigm Support ... aren't they great. The specs are attached


Looking at the pictures, it looks like the Monitor v.5 does not have a front bass port anymore. Is it rear-ported? I wanted front-ported speakers as I will end up keeping the speakers back against the wall (I have 2 kids). I wonder if the rear-port will make a huge difference.

What are the differences between the old and new versions of the monitor series? What did they change to them? What makes the new ones better(different) than the old ones?

Looking at the pictures, it looks like the Monitor v.5 does not have a front bass port anymore. Is it rear-ported? I wanted front-ported speakers as I will end up keeping the speakers back against the wall (I have 2 kids). I wonder if the rear-port will make a huge difference.

Well you answered one question I had.

I was hoping to buy my speakers soon but a review of my budget tells me it will have to be next year! :mad: :mad:


I've owned and loved Paradigm before (Studio 60's front, Servo15 sub, mish-mash of other speaks) and have pretty much decided on Paradigm again with Studio 100'2 for front. I understand that Paradigm is rolling out it's new line and since I'm going to have to wait :( anyway I'll research again at that time, but I would like to know when the new models will be unvailed. Didn't they just announce the new center channel (CC-690)?

Brian

Well you answered one question I had.

Yes, Paradigm support confirmed that the Monitor v.5 is rear-ported. I think this is a deal-breaker for me, as I need them back against the wall. Anybody have any opinions on whether this is a big deal (placing rear-ported back against the wall?)

Thanks

I'm still waiting on a email from them about a spec sheet concerning the Monitor series. 3 days now, I know its been posted here but I want it from them!

Anything else besides being rear ported, that makes the v4 any(more) different then the v5 ?

Yes, Paradigm support confirmed that the Monitor v.5 is rear-ported. I think this is a deal-breaker for me, as I need them back against the wall. Anybody have any opinions on whether this is a big deal (placing rear-ported back against the wall?)Rear ported or not, very few speakers will not have their sound quality severly affected by placing them against (or very near) a back or side wall. Pretty much all traditional speakers need some breathing around them to perform their best. There are cases where corner or wall loading can benefit a somewhat bass-anemic speaker, but it most cases if you look at a manufacturer's speaker manual, they usually always start you off by telling you place the speaker a few feet from side walls and at least a foot or two into the room from the back wall.

If you really have to place your speakers very close to the back wall I would consider paying specific attention to speakers that will work nicely with that sort of placement.

kal

Right. SBIR is speaker-boundary-interference-response. The reflection of sound from the near boundary is combined with the direct radiation and that combination is what you hear. Placing it too close to a boundary will result in destructive interference in the lower midrange. Move it away and the frequencies of interference go down.

Yes, Paradigm support confirmed that the Monitor v.5 is rear-ported. I think this is a deal-breaker for me, as I need them back against the wall. Anybody have any opinions on whether this is a big deal (placing rear-ported back against the wall?)

Thanks

Now it gets even more interesting... My dealer said the Monitor v.5's are all front-ported, but tech support said they were rear-ported. I don't see the front-port in the prictures on the spec sheet either. So my dealer called the National sales rep for Paradigm, and he swore they are front-ported. Maybe the spec sheet pictures are incorrect?

Does anybody have a Monitor 9 v.5 already? My dealer says he'll get them in a couple of weeks.

Monitor V5's are all rear ported. Your dealer must be mistaken them with the studio series lineup.

What is the MSRP of the Monitor v5 series anyone know?

Version 5 are more efficient, the new Monitor 11 is 97 db/W at 1 m, which means you could drive them loud with any receiver. However, I'm interested in reading reviews and hearing them, to see if the sound has taken any performance hit for the efficiency gain. Most of them (except for the Monitor 11) have lost some low end, but it may not matter if you use a subwoofer.

What is the MSRP of the Monitor v5 series anyone know?

I don't no mrsp but
monitor7 is selling for 799$can
monitor11 for1388$can
monitorcc290 for 498$can

I have just recently placed an order for my speakers; studio 60s V4, cc590, ADP590s for the surrounds in a 7.1 setup and a servo15 sub. My room is about 17' by 20'. 2 quick questions:

1. Is there a significant difference between the CC590 and the CC690. Seems like a lot of posters are upgrading to the CC690

2. The paradigm web site suggests 4 ADP surrounds for a 7.1 setup but I see a lot of people are using direct firing speakers for their back speakers. Personal preference?

I don't no mrsp but
monitor7 is selling for 799$can
monitor11 for1388$can
monitorcc290 for 498$can

What part of the country ?

Do you know what the Atom, Titan and Monitor 9 are going for?

What part of the country ?

Do you know what the Atom, Titan and Monitor 9 are going for?

QUEBEC AUDIOTRONIC OR DUMOULIN

MINI MONITOR5 448$
atom minitor 288$
adp190 228$
cc190 298$
studio60v4 1998$
studio100v4 2898$
That all the price i got :)

QUEBEC AUDIOTRONIC OR DUMOULIN

MINI MONITOR5 448$
atom minitor 288$
adp190 228$
cc190 298$
studio60v4 1998$
studio100v4 2898$
That all the price i got :)

Thank you very much, you got them from here I guess: http://www.audiotronic.ca/eSection/elist.asp?send=eng&codeDep=2&codCat=

Thank you very much, you got them from here I guess: http://www.audiotronic.ca/eSection/elist.asp?send=eng&codeDep=2&codCat=

Yes that the place.
Your welcome you gave me some good info a few week ago
I am happy to give some back:)

Do you think the monitor9v5 (that replace the monitor7 and 9)
will be timber match to the monitor7v4 and cc370;

Yes that the place.
Your welcome you gave me some good info a few week ago
I am happy to give some back:)

What info did I give you? I don't remember.

Do you think the monitor9v5 (that replace the monitor7 and 9)
will be timber match to the monitor7v4 and cc370;

I don't see why not, but maybe someone else can say something about it.

[QUOTE=DrPainMD]What info did I give you? I don't remember.[/QUO

You gave info on post 2224;

[QUOTE=DrPainMD]What info did I give you? I don't remember.[/QUO

You gave info on post 2224;

Oh yah, my dealer does'nt have prices for the new v5 yet, that is why I asked. They are roughly the same as the old v4. But looks like I will have to step upto the new Monitor 9 in order to get the old Monitor 7 specs.

[QUOTE=bbrc]

Oh yah, my dealer does'nt have prices for the new v5 yet, that is why I asked. They are roughly the same as the old v4. But looks like I will have to step upto the new Monitor 9 in order to get the old Monitor 7 specs.

I am going at my dealer this afternoon i have cc370,adp370
on order i dont know if he can still have them he said yes 2 week
ago .
I'am starting to dought him if he cant have them
going to get pricing on cc290,cc390,adp390 and monitor9v5.

I gave until wednesday if they dont have them i'going to order monitor9v5
and cc290v5 going to put my minotor7v4 for the back.

Hi folks! Just came back from my dealer. I was looking at upgrading my cc370 to match the 60's I got a couple of months ago. He offered me a demo cc-570 for $550 US. Is this a real good deal or should I push him a bit more? Opinions welcome!

Thanks,B

List for the 570 is (was) $900. So thats almost 40% off (more if you had to buy the v4 version.

Maybe you could get it cheaper (used) off the net, but in this case you should have a warranty. I say go for it!

Hi folks! Just came back from my dealer. I was looking at upgrading my cc370 to match the 60's I got a couple of months ago. He offered me a demo cc-570 for $550 US. Is this a real good deal or should I push him a bit more? Opinions welcome!

Thanks,B
If it is in good shape that is a very good price. You might want to walk in with $500 cash and see what he says.

If it is in good shape that is a very good price. You might want to walk in with $500 cash and see what he says.

That sounds like a good idea.
I just spent the last five hours re-arranging things to get the 60's another couple of feet from the walls. Seemed like good idea but re-filing about 2000 cd's is a bitch! I had to move my media racks so there's still music all over the floor. Initial results are positive though as the move did seem to open up the soundstage a bit. It sounds different having the spacing at only about 7 feet apart instead of 10. I really want to hear the difference if I do decide on the 570.
Jeez this stuff is fun!

B

That sounds like a good idea.
I just spent the last five hours re-arranging things to get the 60's another couple of feet from the walls. Seemed like good idea but re-filing about 2000 cd's is a bitch! I had to move my media racks so there's still music all over the floor. Initial results are positive though as the move did seem to open up the soundstage a bit. It sounds different having the spacing at only about 7 feet apart instead of 10. I really want to hear the difference if I do decide on the 570.
Jeez this stuff is fun!

B

I have my 60 about 6' from back wall, 3' from side and 7' apart. I sit about 9' from it and the 60s sound sweet. Much better most show room I have been to.

If you have it in a dedicated room, a few inches back or forth can make quite a big difference. I experience bass boom in my room and I finally move speakers a few inches closer towards the listening position and it "cures" the bass boom.

Hey guys.. new upcoming paradigm owner here! :)

I'm pretty set on picking up this setup here http://www.paradigm.com/Website/SiteParadigmProduct/ParadigmModels/SystemChoice/Mon11_System.html

I'm still a speaker newbie. Also I don't have an reciever yet either, I'm looking for recommendations!

Thanks

Mark

Hey guys.. new upcoming paradigm owner here! :)

I'm pretty set on picking up this setup here http://www.paradigm.com/Website/SiteParadigmProduct/ParadigmModels/SystemChoice/Mon11_System.html

I'm still a speaker newbie. Also I don't have an reciever yet either, I'm looking for recommendations!

Thanks

Mark

Sorry to tell you this those speakers are v4model and the v5
are just coming out i dont think the v4 can be ad anymore.

But if you want you could get the v5 models:monitor11 v5
cc290v5 or cc390v5
adp390v5

That would be about the same setup :)

Thanks! I noticed that after I posted. Only seems to be one offical paradigm dealer around my area in the Greater Toronto Area.

I have just recently placed an order for my speakers; studio 60s V4, cc590, ADP590s for the surrounds in a 7.1 setup and a servo15 sub. My room is about 17' by 20'. 2 quick questions:

1. Is there a significant difference between the CC590 and the CC690. Seems like a lot of posters are upgrading to the CC690

Would also like an answer to this from anyone who has auditioned the studio v4s.

Going with the studio 60s v4 as well and would like to know if the CC690 would be overkill with this setup.

I don't think there's such a thing as overkill when talking about a center channel speaker. I'd opt for something as close to the fronts as possible and go for the largest CC I could manage.

J.

I agree with V.D., the center channel is the most important for movies. I just bought studio 100v3's and plan on replacing my cc450 with a cc690. Paradigm tech support said this would be a good match. I'm really glad to see the 690, I was just in the process of looking for a used C5, but even used it is almost twice the price!

Thanks guys I guess I'll look into getting the CC690.

On a different note does anyone know when its likely Paradigm will update their site with the new versions? Id like to be able to look at all the new specs.

Thanks guys I guess I'll look into getting the CC690.

On a different note does anyone know when its likely Paradigm will update their site with the new versions? Id like to be able to look at all the new specs.

Here you go.

Thanks! I noticed that after I posted. Only seems to be one offical paradigm dealer around my area in the Greater Toronto Area.

Which dealer did you go to ? I am in the GTA as well

There are at least 5 paradigm dealers within a 30 minute drive from me, and I am in Toronto. The web site only lists the closest, probably to avoid price comparisons. Enter postal codes from around the GTA and you will find a few dealers.

my local dealer made a statement to me that the new midrange doesn't sound as good as the v3's do. i'm going to do what he did which is buy the new tweeters out of the v4 and put them in to my v3's. the new tweeter is supposed to be the same as the signature tweeter. i'll let you guys know what the difference is if audible! i'm also considering upgrading the 690 just to try it out. i have a 570 now but the 690 is a monster.

my local dealer made a statement to me that the new midrange doesn't sound as good as the v3's do. i'm going to do what he did which is buy the new tweeters out of the v4 and put them in to my v3's. the new tweeter is supposed to be the same as the signature tweeter. i'll let you guys know what the difference is if audible! i'm also considering upgrading the 690 just to try it out. i have a 570 now but the 690 is a monster.


I thought about doing that... Did he consult Paradigm first? I'm all for modding speakers for an improvement, as long as one isn't re-inventing the wheel. Did Paradigm change any of the internal x-over for the new tweeters? Looking at the old specs on their web site, the 60s cross over at the same points.

If it is a matter of just dropping in the new tweeters, in order for my 6 month old Studio 60s to better match a new 690 center, I might entertain the idea. For some reason, I would think Paradigm would frown on modding (and probably void the warranty)

One things for sure, the 70# 690 sure isn't going to sit up on my RPTV, like my 570 does. :D

Here you go.Awesome thanks.

Sitting on my hands waiting for my new studio 100 v4s and cc690.

My 570 has found a new home. The 100v2s are still up for grabs in the classified section.

The new servo 15 has turned out to be just a killer in my room. MI3 may not have been a good movie but it sure impressed my guests and he is in the audio business.

I love Paradigm.

Joe, My dealer told me that the tweeter in the reference line and the sig line are not really that different? He said they just colored the dome gold, I tend to believe him, if you look at the paradigm site and compare the descriptions, they are pretty much the same, g-pal for gold and s-pal for satin, both are aluminum, maybe someone else can chime in on this? He basically said that the studio 20 is the same as the s2 and the 40 the same as the s4, except for the cabinets? All the above referring to the v.3 line, not v.4....If you make the switch I would be interested in knowing if you can tell any difference....

Hi, I lack a side wall to hang ADP surrounds. Can I buy 4 studio 20's or other front firing speakers to use as surrounds, and place them in the rear or back wall, or is it best to buy ADP surrounds as rear or side speakers and use stands on them. Thanks.

Dropping the new tweeter in would work, provided that the sensitivity is the same, and the impedance at the crossover frequency is the same. If the sensitivity is different, then the crossover should be modified to account for that. If the impedance at the crossover frequency is different, that will change the crossover frequency... However probably only slightly and as long as both speakers are the same, likely not a problem.

I almost completely forgot about the new signature 1s, I've heard no mention of them here. Has anyone had a chance to audition these new speakers?

The signature 1s are almost the same price as the studio 60s and the C1 is the same price as the CC590. What are the differences between the two and will the signature 1s outperform the studio line? Id be very interested in hearing your replies.

the guy in the store actually has done the transition already. the tweeters cost $140 a piece from paradigm. (maybe including a little markup) as far as voiding the warranty you need to remove 4 screws and screw them back in. if there was a failure with another component in the speakers just put the original speaker back in. i had a problem with a tweeter that was damaged in transit and they sent me a new one and i installed it in like 2 minutes. my tweeters are ordered and the salesmen is currently breaking his in. i will keep you guys posted.

my local dealer made a statement to me that the new midrange doesn't sound as good as the v3's do. i'm going to do what he did which is buy the new tweeters out of the v4 and put them in to my v3's. the new tweeter is supposed to be the same as the signature tweeter. i'll let you guys know what the difference is if audible! i'm also considering upgrading the 690 just to try it out. i have a 570 now but the 690 is a monster.I don't think the new driver has as much low end, but overall transparency is better on the v.4s.

-K

Joe, My dealer told me that the tweeter in the reference line and the sig line are not really that different? He said they just colored the dome gold, I tend to believe him, if you look at the paradigm site and compare the descriptions, they are pretty much the same, g-pal for gold and s-pal for satin, both are aluminum, maybe someone else can chime in on this? He basically said that the studio 20 is the same as the s2 and the 40 the same as the s4, except for the cabinets? All the above referring to the v.3 line, not v.4....If you make the switch I would be interested in knowing if you can tell any difference....The gold "coloring" (adonizing) is to make the dome stiffer without adding weight to the dome. It does more than just look better.

-K

Makes sense on the gold, but do you really think it makes that much difference? worth the extra price?

It was very successful with the Sigs. I have both v3 and v4 Studio 20s and the v4s do sound more transperent and better detail in the high end with less harshness. I don't have a ton of time listening to the old Sigs, but the v4 Studio's do sound kinda like a Sig "light". But the bass doesn't seem to be as strong as the v3 was, but I still need to do more listening. I feel it is worth the small increase for the new Studio stuff, but the Sigs have other technologies that make them better, other than just the drivers.

-K

the crossovers are different in the sigs also the cabinet shape and finish.

that does it for me the version 3's with the upgraded tweets are the way to go. no doubt for me. i'm really glad because i was going to unload all of my v3's and my wife would probably kill me since i bought them only a few months ago.

The gold "coloring" (adonizing) is to make the dome stiffer without adding weight to the dome. It does more than just look better.

-K
The "anodizing" during the paint process is what stiffens the aluminum, not the gold, both tweeters are pure aluminum and both are anodized, just colored differently...food for thought..... :)

the crossovers are different in the sigs also the cabinet shape and finish.Yup. The sig's have a tapered cabinet to avoid standing waves/resonances: A lot more difficult to build. The studio's are rectangular: Easier to build.

I'm generally surprised that people would change out tweeters on the studio like this. Drivers are (usually) very closely matched and tweaked to the crossovers and cabinets/ports. (The cabinet & ports mean less with tweeters - that's true).

But if you like what you hear, then by all means, go for it.

FWIW, I did extensive listening to the Studio 60 v3's vs. the Signature S4 v1's back in August. They're both 'essentially' the same speaker, but the Signature Tweeter is what sold me on the Sig line. It sounded completely different to me. A lot less harsh, not brittle, and more transparent. Big difference to me but everyone should still listen to see what they think. Ended up buying the Sig S8's.

kal

The "anodizing" during the paint process is what stiffens the aluminum, not the gold, both tweeters are pure aluminum and both are anodized, just colored differently...food for thought..... :)I know the gold stiffens the aluminium, I guess I didn't word that very well.

-K

They're both 'essentially' the same speaker, but the Signature Tweeter is what sold me on the Sig line. It sounded completely different to me. A lot less harsh, not brittle, and more transparent.
kalThat is exactly how I feel about my new v4 Studio 20s vs. my v3 Studio 20s. Like I said earlier, I like to think of the new Studios as a Sig v1 "light" almost. A lot of the Sig sound, but not all of the refinement that the Sigs have with the better crossovers, tapered enclosure and the ATC on the midrange driver.

-K

i think cabinet shape and the crossovers probably have more to due with it
than the color of the anodizing.

I'm generally surprised that people would change out tweeters on the studio like this. Drivers are (usually) very closely matched and tweaked to the crossovers and cabinets/ports. (The cabinet & ports mean less with tweeters - that's true).
kal


LOL, in that case, don't visit the MUG (magnepan/planar) forum. :D Guys there start modding their maggies right after they are broken in. New stands, new crossover components, rewiring with silver wire, etc. It's all about cost vs performance.

I plan on emailing Paradigm tech service before I would try it on my 60s.

The alternative would be to sell the v3s on audiogon, (or locally, if I was lucky), taking a beating because they are the "old" model, plus the hassle of shipping them to their new buyer. Then paying full MSRP on a pair of v4s, because they are "new and improved". (Which they are, but not enough to justify the added cost and hassle).

Paradigm will undoubtedly tell you that the tweeters are not designed for that speaker and will not work as well, and that you will void your warranty. Then, they may stop selling the tweeters without some evidence that you own V4 of the speakers.

Well, I sold my new in box ADP-470's and have a pair of ADP-590's on the way. That should be a decent upgrade. I'm trying to sell my new in box CC-470, but if it doesn't happen, I'm not concerned. The CC-590 doesn't seem like much of an upgrade from the CC-570 and all the user reviews about the CC-470 say it's very close to being as good as the CC-570.

Well, I sold my new in box ADP-470's and have a pair of ADP-590's on the way. That should be a decent upgrade. I'm trying to sell my new in box CC-470, but if it doesn't happen, I'm not concerned. The CC-590 doesn't seem like much of an upgrade from the CC-570 and all the user reviews about the CC-470 say it's very close to being as good as the CC-570.

What makes you say that the ADP-590 should be a "decent upgrade" over the ADP-470?

I have to buy some ADPs for my set up now, and not sure if I should go for the less expensive 470s or the new 590s?

Considering there is the addition of a front-firing 7" woofer driver and the 470 doesn't, that's a significant improvement. It's now a Sig ADP without the upgraded cabinetry. This is exactly what I've been waiting for (and wishing was available the past few years), along with the new CC-690.

On the subject of dipole surrounds, I am just starting on a dedicated ht and have 100v.3's for mains and was planning on studio 40's for the surrounds and 20's for the rears.. I plan on doing some multi-channel music listening and thought the 40's made sense, wouldn't dipoles be strange for music? Trying to decide if I should trade my 40's for some adp's? Any input would be great, thanx .....

Dittio what the other guy said. You can't buy ADP-470's any more unless you buy used or get lucky and find a dealer that still has a pair.

On a happy note, I may get to sell my CC-470, so there may be a CC-570 in my future. =)

Question, that has probably been asked: would the CC-690 overpower a setup with Studio 60v3's as mains? Better questions: can I drive all this okay with a Denon 3806? So far it seems to be sounding good...

What makes you say that the ADP-590 should be a "decent upgrade" over the ADP-470?

I have to buy some ADPs for my set up now, and not sure if I should go for the less expensive 470s or the new 590s?

How are you guys mounting your ADP470/590s? The brackets they come with leave no space between the wall and the speakers, so the only option is to do inwall wiring correct? Living in an apartment really makes that a major inconvenience for me. Are there any other mounts that don't require in-wall wiring for these speakers?

How are you guys mounting your ADP470/590s? The brackets they come with leave no space between the wall and the speakers, so the only option is to do inwall wiring correct? Living in an apartment really makes that a major inconvenience for me. Are there any other mounts that don't require in-wall wiring for these speakers?

My older ADPs have a slot in the back to allow for speaker wiring to hang down behind the speaker. Do the newer ADPs not have this slot?

Is anyone using the Arcam AVR350(100 watts/channel) with Studio 100's? I'm getting the 100's v.4 for my fronts and the new CC590 for my center--the 690 is too large for my space. I read conflicting accounts of how much power is needed to drive the 100's. I told the dealer I was considering the Denon 4306 (130 watts per) and he said I'd be much more impressed with an Arcam even with the lower power due to it's superior electronics. Any opinions ?

how large is your room and how loud do you listen
to your media and are you using a sub and crossing
it over will get you more information.

My older ADPs have a slot in the back to allow for speaker wiring to hang down behind the speaker. Do the newer ADPs not have this slot?I dont know about the 590s but on my ADP 470s there is no such slot.

No slots on the Signature ADP (v1s) either. I pull a bunch of cable through the drywall and bi-wired at that (what a pain).

kal

I dont know about the 590s but on my ADP 470s there is no such slot.

Well, that's irritating. Why get rid of such a cool design feature? :(

just got a pair of 100 v.4s, ill post pics when i hit 5 posts

Probably because most people spending $1200 on surround speakers have walls they can run wire through. :eek:

Well, that's irritating. Why get rid of such a cool design feature? :(

just got a pair of 100 v.4s, ill post pics when i hit 5 posts


Yah need to post a little faster! :p

Yah need to post a little faster! :p


im workin on it, lol, ill post them tomorrow evening

Monitor V5's are all rear ported. Your dealer must be mistaken them with the studio series lineup.

Isn't that a front port on the Titan Monitor?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=67540

It seems that you guys love your Paradigms. I am thining to get a pair of S8s. Are there any online dealers that I can get a good deal?

Thanks.

AFAIK there are no online Paradigm dealers, just local shops.

It seems that you guys love your Paradigms. I am thining to get a pair of S8s. Are there any online dealers that I can get a good deal?

Thanks.

It seems that you guys love your Paradigms. I am thining to get a pair of S8s. Are there any online dealers that I can get a good deal?

Thanks.
A few posts back, someone mentioned the site audiotronic, the prices look to be canadian. It is correct however that there are no authorized online dealers, but I know I saw them on at least 1 other site, I can't seem to find it now though. Your better off going through a dealer anyway.... ;)

Paradigm does not authorize online sales. While some places do sell online, you're on your own.

kal

You can usually negotiate 10-15% off with an authorized dealer and you have full warrantee protection. I see no reason to buy online, even with the very low prices I have come across on supposedly new speakers.

Remember, if a deal seems to good to be true, it probably is.

Audiotronic sell on line and have stores .
I gave the price and it's in canadien go see there site and i think garantie
apply's.

Isn't that a front port on the Titan Monitor?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=67540

who created those midranges?

trojan??


:D :D :D

Is there any of you have some monitor v5 serie in you home or see them at the store?

Audiotronic sell on line and have stores .
I gave the price and it's in canadien go see there site and i think garantie
apply's.You cannot order Paradigm products through their website (http://www.audiotronic.ca).

If you try and place one of the (fairly limited) Paradigm items they have listed in your basket to order it online, they respond with "PARADIGM are not available at all locations. Please contact us for product information and availability."

In most stores, they have very little to choose from other then then some of the monitor series. I don't know of any of their stores (at least in Ottawa) that carry any of the studio products and I'm told that none of them carry Signature. Not surprising considering they're mostly a big-box store with salespeople that have to sell computers to vacuum cleaners to home theater systems.

kal

Just picked up my Monitor CC-290 v5 today. A definite improvement over the CC-370. Has crystal clear sound right out of the box, presents a nice wide soundstage, filling the room both on and off axis, and blends in seamlessly with my Monitor 11's v4 (which I love, and will probably not upgrade) .

For those of you with the Monitor v4 series, using the CC-370 as your center, if you are considering upgrading from the CC-370, I highly recommend the CC-290, and if you have the room for it the CC-390.

I will probably upgrade to the ADP-390 surrounds as a Christmas present to myself, but right now the system sounds really sweet, and I'm going to just sit back and enjoy the experience for a little while.

Hey All,
My JVC HD-56FH97 arrives on Wednesday and is replacing my ailing 50" Hitachi Ultravision (circa 1991)
Due to the size of the old TV, I had no problems setting my CC-300 on the top... Well, with the new TV and most likely a Techcraft CAB50B stand
http://common.csnstores.com/common/products/TC/TC0151_m.jpg
I wont be able to put it on top (even with an Omnimount due to weight) and it wont go into the bottom shelving. Seeting in front is not an option due to a 3yr old. Therefore, I need a replacement...Can anyone suggest a nice Center that wont break the bank and will complement what I already have????

Current setup as follows:
Fronts - Paradigm MiniMKII's or 3se-Mini's (no model#)(70Hz - 20KHz)
Rears - Paradigm Atoms (70Hz - 20KHz)
Center - Paradigm CC-300 (55Hz-20KHz)(22" wide x 7.5" tall x 15" deep)
Sub - Velodyne FSR-12B
Receiver - Yamaha RX-V596

Maybe another 3SE-Mini as the center on top?? Would it have to sit vertical or could I lay it horizontal??


thx
Mark

You can usually negotiate 10-15% off with an authorized dealer and you have full warrantee protection. I see no reason to buy online, even with the very low prices I have come across on supposedly new speakers.

Remember, if a deal seems to good to be true, it probably is.


I may be buying a bunch of Paradigm stuff early next year and wonder how much leverage I should expect on price based on the amount of my purchase. I'm looking to get:

* Studio 100's (v4) qty=2
* Studio CC-690 qty=1
* Pair of ADP-590's qty=2
* Servo 15 qty=1


If I add up the list prices for this I get about $7395 (USA) so that would be no small sale to the dealer and I would expect a decent break on the price but don't know just how much I should try to push for. 10% would seem a minimum and 20% maybe more than I can expect so if they give me 15% I think I can live with that. What should I expect?


Thanks,

Brian

PS. I purchased Paradigm back in 2000/2001 and was very impressed but donated the Studio 60's and Servo 15 to my brother before I went on an extended road trip (>2 years).

My experience in the Toronto area (with myself and a friend) is that it depends on the dealer. Some attempt to charge list and some give about 10%. They don't get my business. I expect about 20% on new equipment and about 30-35% on demos.

I may be buying a bunch of Paradigm stuff early next year and wonder how much leverage I should expect on price based on the amount of my purchase. I'm looking to get:

* Studio 100's (v4) qty=2
* Studio CC-690 qty=1
* Pair of ADP-590's qty=2
* Servo 15 qty=1


If I add up the list prices for this I get about $7395 (USA) so that would be no small sale to the dealer and I would expect a decent break on the price but don't know just how much I should try to push for. 10% would seem a minimum and 20% maybe more than I can expect so if they give me 15% I think I can live with that. What should I expect?


Thanks,

Brian

PS. I purchased Paradigm back in 2000/2001 and was very impressed but donated the Studio 60's and Servo 15 to my brother before I went on an extended road trip (>2 years).

Do you have a single sister that I can marry? I would like to have some high end gear donated to me before your next trip!

I may be buying a bunch of Paradigm stuff early next year and wonder how much leverage I should expect on price based on the amount of my purchase. I'm looking to get:

* Studio 100's (v4) qty=2
* Studio CC-690 qty=1
* Pair of ADP-590's qty=2
* Servo 15 qty=1


If I add up the list prices for this I get about $7395 (USA) so that would be no small sale to the dealer and I would expect a decent break on the price but don't know just how much I should try to push for. 10% would seem a minimum and 20% maybe more than I can expect so if they give me 15% I think I can live with that. What should I expect?


Thanks,

Brian

PS. I purchased Paradigm back in 2000/2001 and was very impressed but donated the Studio 60's and Servo 15 to my brother before I went on an extended road trip (>2 years).
Not sure where you are but 15% would be a good deal, 15% and no sales tax would be better.
That is going to be a great setup.

Just went to the Hi-fi store yesterday, seem s ike they restocked and now have some new Atom V5s. They're bigger, about 1/2" wider, 2" taller, rounded front edges, removable grill. Look cool, but anyone give them a spin? Also, seems they have Mini Monitors on sale for $335-ish, so if anyones in Toronto, check out Kromer Radio.

One more thing, anyone have some personal experience/tested the Paradigm PDR-8 or PDR-10? From mad reading of reviews, I gathered that they were boomy, with owners very eager to replace them. I'm looking for a sub to match with some Atom V4s, wanted a Velodyne VX-10 or Athena AS-P4000, but seems the store (FS) no longer stocks them.

Hello All:
I still have and am using the very FIRST Monitor series of speakers from Paradigm. (no version, 1, 2, or 3) The speakers are just playing beautifully and sound great. (I for one don't experience that shrill that some say the tweeter can cause) If I do have one complaint, it would definitely lie with the PS-1000 powered sub. It can indeed sound boomy and it seems that I am always turning it down either through my reciever or on the back of the unit. I have thought of replacing or upgrading but always come back, "why?" Please check out my home page for pics.

Hi all,

I'm new to this product and very impressed with Paradigm.

The room is 13' X 16' with a flat 8' ceiling.

I was planning buying Monitor 9s and related stuff for a 5.1 system. I am currently changing my mind to Studio 100s or 60s with a CC-570 and standard surrounds and sub.

I will probably use system about 75% music, 25% HT 5.1.

After I make the purchase, I don't want to get the feeling that I should have bought the ???

Any input appreciated,

ayrton (not Canadian, but used to follow the Oilers)

I'm about to pull the trigger on a complete system, but I need some advice on surrounds/rears. I've been to my local dealer and they've got good prices on many floor models, For the front I've pretty much decided to go with a pair of Studio 60v3 and a cc570, but this is where I get lost.
I could get 4 Titans for almost half the price of 2 ADP470's. My question is; do you guys think titans would work with this setup as surrounds/rears or should I buy the pair of ADP's and worry about 7 channel later? Buying two pairs of ADP's is out of the question because they don't have them and it would be too pricey anyways.

BTW It's to go in a dedicated theatre room 12' x 20', the split is 80% movies/20% music.

Thanks in Advance, Jamie

I'm about to pull the trigger on a complete system, but I need some advice on surrounds/rears. I've been to my local dealer and they've got good prices on many floor models, For the front I've pretty much decided to go with a pair of Studio 60v3 and a cc570, but this is where I get lost.
I could get 4 Titans for almost half the price of 2 ADP470's. My question is; do you guys think titans would work with this setup as surrounds/rears or should I buy the pair of ADP's and worry about 7 channel later? Buying two pairs of ADP's is out of the question because they don't have them and it would be too pricey anyways.

BTW It's to go in a dedicated theatre room 12' x 20', the split is 80% movies/20% music.

Thanks in Advance, Jamie
Hey Jamie, I have been dealing with the same issue, I have 100v3's and bought 40v3's for the rears and planned on picking up some 20v3's for the center rears, but after researching on this forum, it seems most people are into dipoles? I thought I might trade in my 40's for 470's or 590's, but they won't let me, so I'm stuck with my 40's. All the research I have done suggests dipoles are better for movies, I plan on doing some multichannel listening as well, so i think my 40's will work fine, my dealer seems to think so....since you are going to be using your system mainly for movies, I would try to go with dipoles...

Ok, could use some help here.... Upgrading
I have a great room in my new house, already bought my 50" panny profesional plasma Denon AVR-3806 & SVS-PB12+2 rosewood on the way, lookin at pullin the trigger on new speaks to finish off my room... now the hard part... room is scary big, 20x30 with 9' H on one side, and 18ft H on the other... My rough math brings me to about 8100 cu ft... pretty sure the svs will cover me on the bass..
But what do you think about speaks... Im wondering weather the Studio 60's or the 100's for fronts.. for presence, and Studio 60's or Studio 40's for rears, as the room is so big...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/home%20theater/Picture001.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/home%20theater/Picture002.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/home%20theater/Picture003.jpg

Also, was hoping that since my Plasma console is lacking in the spot for a center channel... that I might just buy a big enough one and park the damn plasma right smack on top of a big enough Center... I thought I saw a huge center coming out... like the studio CC-690
I listen to about 50/50 movie/music...
My thoughts on the bigger speaks, is that I'll be getting more overlap and more deffinition of the mid to low with larger 100's front and 60's rear, but I realize that I don't have many options on speaker placement with the layout the way it is.. where the 100's might give me some trouble...
Am I being stoopy? Am I over thinking this, or over spending?
thoughts? + or -

Thanks

Warp

Onkyo TX-DS787 reciever
PSB Century 600i fronts
Newer speakers on the way to replace Pioneer Center channel and Bose 2001 surrounds :p
Paradigm PS-1000 Subwoofer (aka, Mr. Chuddy)

(Actually plugged the top two ports and it isn't as bad :D )

Ok, could use some help here.... Upgrading
I have a great room in my new house, already bought my 50" panny profesional plasma Denon AVR-3806 & SVS-PB12+2 rosewood on the way, lookin at pullin the trigger on new speaks to finish off my room... now the hard part... room is scary big, 20x30 with 9' H on one side, and 18ft H on the other... My rough math brings me to about 8100 cu ft... pretty sure the svs will cover me on the bass..
But what do you think about speaks... Im wondering weather the Studio 60's or the 100's for fronts.. for presence, and Studio 60's or Studio 40's for rears, as the room is so big...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/home%20theater/Picture001.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/home%20theater/Picture002.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/home%20theater/Picture003.jpg

Also, was hoping that since my Plasma console is lacking in the spot for a center channel... that I might just buy a big enough one and park the damn plasma right smack on top of a big enough Center... I thought I saw a huge center coming out... like the studio CC-690
I listen to about 50/50 movie/music...
My thoughts on the bigger speaks, is that I'll be getting more overlap and more deffinition of the mid to low with larger 100's front and 60's rear, but I realize that I don't have many options on speaker placement with the layout the way it is.. where the 100's might give me some trouble...
Am I being stoopy? Am I over thinking this, or over spending?
thoughts? + or -

Thanks

Warp
looks like you have a large volume to fill the larger units might fit the need
but as usual you really won"t know till their placed in your room.

I want to if cc-390 v5 is to big for for my front center
my front stage is 11' :)

Is there someone that know the(mrsp)(sp)canadien
for the monitorv5 line thanks.

Hey Jamie, I have been dealing with the same issue, I have 100v3's and bought 40v3's for the rears and planned on picking up some 20v3's for the center rears, but after researching on this forum, it seems most people are into dipoles? I thought I might trade in my 40's for 470's or 590's, but they won't let me, so I'm stuck with my 40's. All the research I have done suggests dipoles are better for movies, I plan on doing some multichannel listening as well, so i think my 40's will work fine, my dealer seems to think so....since you are going to be using your system mainly for movies, I would try to go with dipoles...

Thanks for the response, I'm leaning in the direction of the dipoles, but I'm also trying to figure out if I should spend the extra $$ on the Studio series or if I'll be just as happy with Monitor 11's with cc370 and adp370. If I go Monitor line, then I'll have enough cash to get the 7 channels.

One more question: I was reading this morning that some folks prefer to use two adp's for the rears and then go with something like Monitor 3's or Studio 20's for the sides. Does anyone here have experience with that sort of setup?

Thanks, Jamie

Jamie, I think you've go that backwards: people ususally use studio 20's for the rears and adp's for the sides.

My new ADP-590's come in tomorrow! I'm stoked!

Thanks for the response, I'm leaning in the direction of the dipoles, but I'm also trying to figure out if I should spend the extra $$ on the Studio series or if I'll be just as happy with Monitor 11's with cc370 and adp370. If I go Monitor line, then I'll have enough cash to get the 7 channels.

One more question: I was reading this morning that some folks prefer to use two adp's for the rears and then go with something like Monitor 3's or Studio 20's for the sides. Does anyone here have experience with that sort of setup?

Thanks, Jamie

Jamie, I think you've go that backwards: people ususally use studio 20's for the rears and adp's for the sides.

My new ADP-590's come in tomorrow! I'm stoked!


I am thinking about going with a set of these, but I can't seem to find any info on them They are not on Paradigm's web site. Do you know of any site that has info on them? Also what was the list price and what did you get them for? If you don't mind telling.

I am thinking about going with a set of these, but I can't seem to find any info on them They are not on Paradigm's web site. Do you know of any site that has info on them? Also what was the list price and what did you get them for? If you don't mind telling.

Press Release: http://www.castercomm.com/press.cfm?id=113

Paradigm Catalog 4.4 : http://www.paradigm.com/Website/News/Downloads/Downloads.html

Here you go...

Jamie, I think you've go that backwards: people ususally use studio 20's for the rears and adp's for the sides.

My new ADP-590's come in tomorrow! I'm stoked!
Let me know what you think about the build quality, I was talking to my dealer on the phone and he was saying they have some sort of hokey plastic case? I have not been to the dealer to check them out myself, thanx :o

Thanks for the response, I'm leaning in the direction of the dipoles, but I'm also trying to figure out if I should spend the extra $$ on the Studio series or if I'll be just as happy with Monitor 11's with cc370 and adp370. If I go Monitor line, then I'll have enough cash to get the 7 channels.

One more question: I was reading this morning that some folks prefer to use two adp's for the rears and then go with something like Monitor 3's or Studio 20's for the sides. Does anyone here have experience with that sort of setup?

Thanks, Jamie
Lenti's right, they usually use diploes for the sides and direct speakers for the rears....Although on the paradigm website they advice using dipoles for sides and rears.....

I just received my Studio CC 690 the other day! Wow, what a hog of a speaker. I only have about 6 hours on it, so I haven't done any critical listening on it. Music I cannot tell a difference over the 570 yet, the tweeters seem a little grainy at this time. On movies the diologue is awesome! You can tell a difference it the voices. More depth and and wider soundstage. I will keep you all posted as time goes on.

There is an "I Sold It" store on e-bay selling a new? pair of adp 590's, They also have a seismic 12 sub they claim is new. I questioned them on it and they said a customer dropped it off. Not sure why someone would be dumping new 590's or a sub they supposedly never used? auction on the sub ends 11/21 a.m. just thought I would let people know.....

I just received my Studio CC 690 the other day! Wow, what a hog of a speaker. I only have about 6 hours on it, so I haven't done any critical listening on it. Music I cannot tell a difference over the 570 yet, the tweeters seem a little grainy at this time. On movies the diologue is awesome! You can tell a difference it the voices. More depth and and wider soundstage. I will keep you all posted as time goes on.
Thanx for the info on the 690, I'm gonna be getting one in the near future. Glad to hear the voices sound great! Thats what I'm interested in, I'm looking for deep booming voices. I have an older cc-450 thats good, but I'm looking for something with a fuller sound, sounds like this is it.... :)

Hi all, great thread.

Just purchased the system today, speakers will be here in two weeks! (sigh)

pioneer elite vsx-82txs
fronts studio 60's v4
center cc590
rears adp-470's
seismic 10 (could still upgrade to the 12 - any thoughts?)

This is a new hobby for my wife and I (yes, she even helped pick out the speakers) and we could use a little help with the cables for the fronts and center and sub. The dealer told me that I would want to 'bi-amp' the speakers, I am wondering if he meant 'bi-wire' as we only have the one receiver. In any case, he said the cables would run in the area of $350 (and I could buy them from him when I pick up the speakers in two weeks)

I know that cables can be expensive and I know that $350's not all THAT much, but I was wondering if I could do better with bluejeans or monoprice maybe? Trouble is, we have no idea what type of cable we need.

Any recommendations or favorites? Thanks!

Hi all, great thread.

Just purchased the system today, speakers will be here in two weeks! (sigh)

pioneer elite vsx-82txs
fronts studio 60's v4
center cc590
rears adp-470's
seismic 10 (could still upgrade to the 12 - any thoughts?)

This is a new hobby for my wife and I (yes, she even helped pick out the speakers) and we could use a little help with the cables for the fronts and center and sub. The dealer told me that I would want to 'bi-amp' the speakers, I am wondering if he meant 'bi-wire' as we only have the one receiver. In any case, he said the cables would run in the area of $350 (and I could buy them from him when I pick up the speakers in two weeks)

I know that cables can be expensive and I know that $350's not all THAT much, but I was wondering if I could do better with bluejeans or monoprice maybe? Trouble is, we have no idea what type of cable we need.

Any recommendations or favorites? Thanks!

Congrats! The size of the sub would depend on the size of your room.

At 130wpc your Pioneer has plenty of power for your speakers. My 100s/570 play very loud and clean with a 110wpc Onkyo AVR.

As for the speaker wires, some 12ga. lamp cord from Home Depot would work just fine. And it would almost save you enough money to upgrade to that seismic 12. If you do decide to go with over-priced speaker wire (just my opinion) I got my DVI cables from bluejeans and couldn't be happier.

I recently picked up a set of Calabrine cables and they are very nice and reasonably priced. www.calabrine.com is a good start but contact them via eBay and you'll get better pricing. I got bi-wire runs for my Studio 60v3's and my soon to arrive CC-590 or CC-690. Still deciding on that.

Hi all, great thread.

Just purchased the system today, speakers will be here in two weeks! (sigh)

pioneer elite vsx-82txs
fronts studio 60's v4
center cc590
rears adp-470's
seismic 10 (could still upgrade to the 12 - any thoughts?)

This is a new hobby for my wife and I (yes, she even helped pick out the speakers) and we could use a little help with the cables for the fronts and center and sub. The dealer told me that I would want to 'bi-amp' the speakers, I am wondering if he meant 'bi-wire' as we only have the one receiver. In any case, he said the cables would run in the area of $350 (and I could buy them from him when I pick up the speakers in two weeks)

I know that cables can be expensive and I know that $350's not all THAT much, but I was wondering if I could do better with bluejeans or monoprice maybe? Trouble is, we have no idea what type of cable we need.

Any recommendations or favorites? Thanks!

Help!! Should I get the CC 590 or 690? I've got Studio 60v3 mains, ADP-590 rears, and a Seismic 12. Running them from a Denon 3806. Room size is about 13' by 15' with one side open to the kitchen and my mains about 9.5' apart. I'm thinking that the CC-590 would work well, but I'm really drooling over the CC-690. The money isn't a big problem, but conversely I don't wan to spend $$ on something that I really don't need. HELP. ME. PLEASE.

Help!! Should I get the CC 590 or 690? I've got Studio 60v3 mains, ADP-590 rears, and a Seismic 12. Running them from a Denon 3806. Room size is about 13' by 15' with one side open to the kitchen and my mains about 9.5' apart. I'm thinking that the CC-590 would work well, but I'm really drooling over the CC-690. The money isn't a big problem, but conversely I don't wan to spend $$ on something that I really don't need. HELP. ME. PLEASE.Have you listened to both yourself? Which do you like?

Listen to both and decide yourself. Nobody else can decide what you 'need'. Either one will work just fine. A good dealer will should also let you take both home and try them yourself if your room if you're willing to by one.

kal

That is a lovely idea but my local dealer doesn't have both in stock, and may not have either in stock.

Have you listened to both yourself? Which do you like?

Listen to both and decide yourself. Nobody else can decide what you 'need'. Either one will work just fine. A good dealer will should also let you take both home and try them yourself if your room if you're willing to by one.

kal

Congrats! The size of the sub would depend on the size of your room.

As for the speaker wires, some 12ga. lamp cord from Home Depot would work just fine. And it would almost save you enough money to upgrade to that seismic 12.

Thanks! The room isn't all that big, 12 ft wide and 18 ft long, with 8 ft ceilings.

I am considering the Canare 4S11 Cable (sorry, I guess I am not allowed to post links) at bluejeans, its got four conductors for bi-wiring, but its 14 awg - not that that is bad, but I could also get a little thicker belden 10 awg for not a lot of difference in cost - of course I would have to use two cables for each speaker in that case as the beldens are just two conductor.

I am considering the Canare 4S11 Cable (sorry, I guess I am not allowed to post links) at bluejeans, its got four conductors for bi-wiring, but it's 14 awg - not that that is bad, but I could also get a little thicker belden 10 awg for not a lot of difference in cost - of course I would have to use two cables for each speaker in that case as the beldens are just two conductor.
I switched to a bi-wired 10-foot set of Canare 4S11 speaker wires from an older model of Audioquest about a year ago and noticed an immediate improvement in clarity and depth. They're amazingly good. Check out prices for Canare at markertec.com, which mainly serves the broadcast industry.

That is a lovely idea but my local dealer doesn't have both in stock, and may not have either in stock.One of the reasons Paradigm is very strict about selling their products over the internet is because they want the dealer to help a buyer buy what's right for them. They want their products to be sold 'correctly'. Many companies with better products do this.

If your dealer is not willing to get both in stock for you to listen, you should give Paradigm a call and complain as your dealer's not doing you (or Paradigm) any favours at all here. He might as well be selling over the internet if all he does is special order in speakers for his customers.

Kal

Wait...are the ADP590'S actually dipoles? With the description they give on the website it's impossible to tell. I was planning to get 4 of them for 7.1, but my back wall would be at least 8 feet away from them...would I get any surround immersion at all? (And this wall isn't even a straight surface, in fact there's barely any wall betwen the furniture and things) :confused:

Yes they're dipoles. There's a set on eBay right now that has great pictures if you want to check them out.

Wait...are the ADP590'S actually dipoles? With the description they give on the website it's impossible to tell. I was planning to get 4 of them for 7.1, but my back wall would be at least 8 feet away from them...would I get any surround immersion at all? (And this wall isn't even a straight surface, in fact there's barely any wall betwen the furniture and things) :confused:

I switched to a bi-wired 10-foot set of Canare 4S11 speaker wires from an older model of Audioquest about a year ago and noticed an immediate improvement in clarity and depth. They're amazingly good.

Thats good news, thanks s2silber!

Please forgive the newbie question, but can I just attach the bare wire to the speakers or will I need to order some kind of terminating end as well? I want to make sure that I have everything that I need when the speakers get here!

You can attach the wire bare, or you can custom order whatever terminations you like. BTW, here's the link to MarkerTek. I think you'll like their prices and they will work with you on the most suitable terminations. Personally, I use banana plugs with my Studio 60's.

http://www.markertek.com/

Yes they're dipoles. There's a set on eBay right now that has great pictures if you want to check them out.

So are my concerns valid? Should I rethink my setup and place them close to a wall?

This is a new hobby for my wife and I (yes, she even helped pick out the speakers) and we could use a little help with the cables for the fronts and center and sub. The dealer told me that I would want to 'bi-amp' the speakers, I am wondering if he meant 'bi-wire' as we only have the one receiver. In any case, he said the cables would run in the area of $350 (and I could buy them from him when I pick up the speakers in two weeks)

Go to your nearest big hardware store and buy some 12 gauge cheap speaker wire or lamp cord. By the way, you will be better off with one 10 gauge run than bi-wiring at 14 gauge. If your wire run is reasonably short, your speaker impedance is 8 ohms nominal and doesn't take some very low dips, and you use 14 gauge or thicker, you will hear no difference from bi-wiring.

thinking about getting a pair of Signature 100's. Could my Parasound 5125 amp have enogh power to drive the speakers? Currentlyhave the Monitor 7's.. thanks..

Help!! Should I get the CC 590 or 690? I've got Studio 60v3 mains, ADP-590 rears, and a Seismic 12. Running them from a Denon 3806. Room size is about 13' by 15' with one side open to the kitchen and my mains about 9.5' apart. I'm thinking that the CC-590 would work well, but I'm really drooling over the CC-690. The money isn't a big problem, but conversely I don't wan to spend $$ on something that I really don't need. HELP. ME. PLEASE.

I had the 590 and just purchased the 690. I could never go back. Let your ears be the judge if possible. You can't go wrong with either one, but the 690 is much more "open" than the 590. In the dark, I could locate the 590. I can't do that with the 690. Just my 2 cents worth.

... By the way, you will be better off with one 10 gauge run than bi-wiring at 14 gauge. ... use 14 gauge or thicker, you will hear no difference from bi-wiring.

I have to admit Luap, I had to read that a few times to let it sink in ... it makes sense to me that using the thicker gauge would certainly make a difference, I just didn't realize that it would make such a difference that using the 14 awg wire would negate the bi-wiring altogether.

Anybody know where I can get 4 conductor 10 awg speaker cable? So far I have only checked two online sources and cannot find any. Its all 14 awg and smaller.

Are there any (other than cosmetic) reasons that I should not just use two (two conductor) cables at 10 awg to do the bi-wire?

thinking about getting a pair of Signature 100's. Could my Parasound 5125 amp have enogh power to drive the speakers? Currentlyhave the Monitor 7's.. thanks..
Do you mean "studio" 100's? Looks like your amp is rated at 125 wpc. that should be fine, I have 100v3's with a rotel 1067, rated at 100 wpc and it's plenty, but it might also depend on room size....

The 100s can use more clean power than that. 125 wpc is fine and 180 wpc is finer. I could definitely tell the difference but before I got my MCA30, I thought they sounded great.

BTW, I just upgraded from studio 100v2 and a cc570 v3 to 100v4 and cc690. The 100v4s are slightly more open on the high end. The 690 is a more substantial improvement. It gives a little more clarity and alot more invisibility. The biggest difference on the 100s is the smaller footprint. 2" narrower and 1" shorter. I dislike the feet that they use and the silver faceplate at the bottom but I will get used to it. They are a much more civilized size. The biggest improvement is the timbre matching across the front. I am enjoying them.

I have the 100 v2s for sale but I may pull them as I have temporarily moved them to the corners of my dining room and they are worlds better than the ceiling speakers that I have been using. I'm getting spoiled to having them there. The larger woofers and slightly deeper bass extension compared to the v4s is letting me get away with not having a subwoofer for music. I never imagined how much I would enjoy having that caliber of sq in my dining room. The responsible thing for me to do is to sell them, but it's getting harder to go through with it. I never really had the least dissatisfaction with them. I just upgraded because I went to the 690 and wanted everything to match across the front. Having two pairs of 100s is more luxury than I can really justify to myself. I'm really just a poor old country boy that's hooked on good sound.

Does anyone have a current price list for the new V4 studio series?

Does anyone have a current price list for the new V4 studio series?
Studio 20 $899/pr
Studio 40 $1,399/pr
Studio 60 $1,799/pr
Studio 100 $2,499/pr
CC-590 $899/ea
CC-690 $1,199/ea
Eclipse $999/ea
Eclipse C $999/ea
Studio ADP-590 $599/ea

Prices are MSRP published in a CEDIA 2006 press release.

Hope this helps,
Phil

Just picked up the demo cc-570 I was asking about a couple of pages back in this thread. WOW! What an improvement. I'd been living with a 370 since I upgraded my Monitor 7's to '60's a couple of months back. The 570 simply disappeared into the soundstage. :D So if you're looking for an upgrade, taake advantage of the version change. I got more than 35% off.

The regional rep was at the shop when I showed up and had just set up a pair of V5 mini monitors. They sounded great. The stores owner is heavy into B+W and the sales guy, refering to the mini's said " These things are gonna cause trouble!"

Yea My dealer has a 570 in cherry with a few knicks on the corner of the wood
I told him let me know when he want to get rid of it cheep let me know
I may look to replace my 450 v.1 with the 470 or 570 if the price is right
Think the 470 or 570 will be a major upgrade over a v.1 450
My fronts are 40v.3

What dealer Antman? I'm on Long Island as well.

I use Sound City in NYC

Bongo

Try Audio Breakthroughs Manhasset long island.

Their Great!

I second AudioBreakthroughs in Manhasset LI. I have been dealing with them for a number of years. Winner of the Paradigm Loudspeaker Award of Excellence. Visit their site at www.audiobreakthroughs.com Hey Jimbohts send me a PM. Where are u located? :)

I have to admit Luap, I had to read that a few times to let it sink in ... it makes sense to me that using the thicker gauge would certainly make a difference, I just didn't realize that it would make such a difference that using the 14 awg wire would negate the bi-wiring altogether.

Anybody know where I can get 4 conductor 10 awg speaker cable? So far I have only checked two online sources and cannot find any. Its all 14 awg and smaller.

Are there any (other than cosmetic) reasons that I should not just use two (two conductor) cables at 10 awg to do the bi-wire?

The reason I said that you'd be better off with 10 gauge than bi-wired 14 gauge is that one 10 gauge wire has more copper than two 14 gauge wires, so the resistance is lower. I was not suggesting bi-wiring with 10 gauge. I think it's overkill. Personally, I believe that there is no real benefit to bi-wiring on short runs if you use anything thicker than 16 gauge. Bi-amping has some real benefits, but bi-wiring is the same as using a thicker wire, and once you get to a certain gauge, there is no point.

Of course, if you have to run wiring through your walls, bi -wiring makes bi-amping later much easier. :)

Can someone give me an idea of how much money can be saved purchasing a set Studio 60s, Center, and Surrounds in Canada versus US or even Canada vs NH(no sales tax)? I'm looking to see if the trip is worth it to Montreal or Toronto, aside from vacation aspects. Thanks.

After a few days of having my old 100v2s in the dining room, my wife has convinced me not to sell them and instead leave them in the dining room to provide sound to the kitchen. I could really use the money but hey, you gotta keep the ladies happy. I'm guessing my ceiling speakers are now going to go unused. Oh well, gotta go pull the for sale ad.

The new 100v4s and cc690 are the bomb by the way. Along with the servo 15, we're just grinning ear to ear. She says she can't hear the difference but I can. I just love Paradigm.

My audio dealer freind is now trying to talk me into a set of CATs. He has this thing about not wanting me to be satisfied for more than a few days. I think I'm done for awhile, except for an upgrade of my surrounds from Triad omni6 golds to the new studio series ADPs.

Happy T-day ya'll.

Hi all -

I'm looking to pick up a pair of Paradigm surrounds, and I'm restricted to about $770 for the pair. I was wondering if anyone has ANY contacts for dealers or others trying to sell used equipment. I keep missing opportunities on auction sites!

I'm a student and won't have more to spend on surrounds for several years in the foreseeable future. The surrounds would match up with two Studio/40 (v2) fronts and a PW-2200. I'd love to find some ADP-470's as I've demoed them before and I've seen pairs sold for less than what I've got budgeted, but I can't seem to find any resources. I'd be willing to step it down to ADP-370, but frankly my budget doesn't allow for a pair of newer or nicer surrounds. My setup would definitely benefit from the bipole design of the ADPs, and manufacturer sound matching (and frankly, customer loyalty) is important to me so I'm not really looking to buy outside of the Paradigm ADP family.

If anyone has any personal contacts or audio sites they recommend monitoring, I'm all ears. Thank you all for any suggestions or help you have to offer!

Have you been keeping an eye out on Audiogon.com?

Patience is a virtue.. (especially for a student)

My audio dealer freind is now trying to talk me into a set of CATs.

siamese or persian?

The reason I said that you'd be better off with 10 gauge than bi-wired 14 gauge is that one 10 gauge wire has more copper than two 14 gauge wires, so the resistance is lower. I was not suggesting bi-wiring with 10 gauge. I think it's overkill. Personally, I believe that there is no real benefit to bi-wiring on short runs if you use anything thicker than 16 gauge. Bi-amping has some real benefits, but bi-wiring is the same as using a thicker wire, and once you get to a certain gauge, there is no point.

I've been doing some research and learning about bi-wiring/amping, and for now I think I am going to just run the 10 awg wire (not bi-wired) and replace the connector on the speaker with 10 awg copper wire. I may play with the bi-amping settings on the receiver and see if that helps.

Cant wait for the speakers to arrive!

Thanks for the help

Thanks for the advice. I've actually tried emailing a seller on Audiogon now several times, and for some reason everytime I click submit I get a strange page where the only text is:

**edit: avsforum won't let me paste the text until I've got 5 posts. It's really just some text from Audiogon's cookie settings, though.**

and I don't receive a copy of the email I tried to send. I have no idea if one is getting sent to the seller or not, but I assume it is not. I've emailed Audiogon's customer service for help, but I have no heard back. Any thoughts or similar issues from anyone? I've tried in both Firefox and IE7, with the same results.

I am looking at buying the Paradigm Cinema 330 for my new house. I need a flat panel/on-wall speaker that can be mounted to the sides of the LCD tv. What are you takes on the cinema 330 as far as compared to other on-wall/flat speakers. I know dollar to performance ratio is lower for these type of speakers compared to bookshelf or floor standing, however this is going a family room and my wife wants something that "blends" in. She originally wanted BOSE, but I talked her out of them. Let me know your thoughts.

I am looking at buying the Paradigm Cinema 330 for my new house. I need a flat panel/on-wall speaker that can be mounted to the sides of the LCD tv. What are you takes on the cinema 330 as far as compared to other on-wall/flat speakers. I know dollar to performance ratio is lower for these type of speakers compared to bookshelf or floor standing, however this is going a family room and my wife wants something that "blends" in. She originally wanted BOSE, but I talked her out of them. Let me know your thoughts.
I own paradigm and klipsch, but for onwall speakers you could check out Boston Acoustics P4 series........ ;)

Got some info on them from my local dealer

Monitor v5 Canadian Prices

Atom Monitor $289
Mini Monitor $449
Titan Monitor $579
Monitor 7 $799
Monitor 9 $1049
Monitor 11 $1399
CC-190 $299
CC-290 $499
CC-390 $699
ADP-190 $229
ADP-390 $379

Does anybody have a need for a single black ash Studio 20 v3 in mint condition? I purchased a pair from a fellow AVS'er and UPS lost one of the speakers in transit. I'm unable to find another single speaker to complement my lonely twin, so I'm hoping that somebody might be able to use it in either a 6.1 setup or use the single 20 as a center channel. We have a large doorway right where a back surround would go, so it's not an option for us. I'm open to any reasonable offers shipped from 44060.

J.

Why hasn't a company as large as Paradigm updated their website? Normally companies will show the new product even before it's available. All their new speakers are out and they still have the v.3 product on the website? Frustrating.... :confused:

Why hasn't a company as large as Paradigm updated their website? Normally companies will show the new product even before it's available. All their new speakers are out and they still have the v.3 product on the website? Frustrating.... :confused:

They must be trying to push out old inventory during the X-mass season. This hurts their Mom and Pop distributors because some of the bigger ones have the new lines. I want to support my local dealer but may be forced to buy in a bigger store.

They must be trying to push out old inventory during the X-mass season. This hurts their Mom and Pop distributors because some of the bigger ones have the new lines. I want to support my local dealer but may be forced to buy in a bigger store.
Yep, my local dealer has all the new stuff, so I can go in and see it, but it just surprises me they wouldn't keep up with their site...Although my dealer only updates his site about every 6 months!

Yep, my local dealer has all the new stuff, so I can go in and see it, but it just surprises me they wouldn't keep up with their site...Although my dealer only updates his site about every 6 months!


I just e-mailed Paradigm tech support and asked them to update their website with their new product lines. I challenge everyone else to do the same. The link to tech support is on this page:

http://www.paradigm.ca/Support/TechFAQ/TechFAQ.html

Not only have they not updated their site but my local dealer is clueless about the new Studio line. Maybe this is my dealers fault, I dont know.

When I asked him when I could demo a CC-690 he had no clue what I was talking about. "Never heard of it." When I told him I know of people who already own them he said I should get some photographic evidence. "Guys on those forums might be pulling your leg." :mad: What a joke.

Currently looking for a new dealer in the San Joaquin Valley.

thats sad when a consumer has more info than the dealer does,

What's even worse is when they act like they know everything and make you feel stupid... Even when your right.

I'm sure the dealers know about the new line. They just want to sell through their old product without cutting the prices, so they are just flat lying about not knowing about the new products IMO, which is way worse than actually not knowing at all.

Paradigm's site has always kind of sucked...just try navigating to specs on one of their Reference speakers...it's quite nonsensical. Additionally, the website has always been weeks and months behind their product releases. The whole structure of their site blows overall.

J.

I TOO have been waiting for Paradigm to update their website.. But since it is the 07 models it makes sence for them to update their sites closer to 07. Should be anyday now... Im still waiting..

i have the option of buying some 10 year old monitor 7s and a nakamichi re2 receiver and nakamichi cd player for $500, or buying brand new monitor 7s for $700 and then also having to buy a receiver and cd player. My needs and knowledge are fairly modest, but i obviously appreciate a good system.

Are the new paradigms so much better than those from 1995 that they are worth me spending all the money that they and the rest of the system would require?

My total budget is about $1100, but i would be happy to spend the $500 if I am not missing out.

Buy them both and keep the receiver & cd player and sell the older speakers.

i have the option of buying some 10 year old monitor 7s and a nakamichi re2 receiver and nakamichi cd player for $500, or buying brand new monitor 7s for $700 and then also having to buy a receiver and cd player. My needs and knowledge are fairly modest, but i obviously appreciate a good system.

Are the new paradigms so much better than those from 1995 that they are worth me spending all the money that they and the rest of the system would require?

My total budget is about $1100, but i would be happy to spend the $500 if I am not missing out.
I would listen to them both and let your ears decide. One benefit of the old system is you can demo it as a system and know just how it all sounds together.

I picked up a set of Studio 60 V3, along with a cc470 last week, they have not disappointed me even with my basic sony reciever and really thin speaker wire. I'm moving into a new place soon though and I'll be wiring up a dedicated theatre properly and will probably be upgrading to a Pioneer Elite reciever.

I still have to decide on the surround speakers, I could do a set of four titans or mini monitors for the same price (or less) as two ADP470's, I've asked this before here, but am still curious what others have done? Am I better to stay within the Studio line and settle for 5.1 or do I go a step down in quality and get 7.1

stay in the studio line as time goes on more and more
sound is directed to the rear channels and its getting
more dynamic.

I picked up a set of Studio 60 V3, along with a cc470 last week, they have not disappointed me even with my basic sony reciever and really thin speaker wire. I'm moving into a new place soon though and I'll be wiring up a dedicated theatre properly and will probably be upgrading to a Pioneer Elite reciever.

I still have to decide on the surround speakers, I could do a set of four titans or mini monitors for the same price (or less) as two ADP470's, I've asked this before here, but am still curious what others have done? Am I better to stay within the Studio line and settle for 5.1 or do I go a step down in quality and get 7.1
For now I would get the 470's and get rear speakers like studio 20's when you can afford them. There really isn't enough out in 7.1 to justify a compromise in quality, almost everything you are going to be listening to is going to be in 5.1..Just my opinion, good luck :)

i have the option of buying some 10 year old monitor 7s and a nakamichi re2 receiver and nakamichi cd player for $500, or buying brand new monitor 7s for $700 and then also having to buy a receiver and cd player. My needs and knowledge are fairly modest, but i obviously appreciate a good system.

Are the new paradigms so much better than those from 1995 that they are worth me spending all the money that they and the rest of the system would require?

My total budget is about $1100, but i would be happy to spend the $500 if I am not missing out.
They are probably 7se's, I don't think monitors were out yet, but I have a pair of 7se mk3's from the mid-90's and used them up until a few months ago, excellent speakers! I now have a pair of studio 100's v3 and I don't know that the new speakers are so much better for the difference in price, it all depends on how critical you are...

For now I would get the 470's and get rear speakers like studio 20's when you can afford them. There really isn't enough out in 7.1 to justify a compromise in quality, almost everything you are going to be listening to is going to be in 5.1..Just my opinion, good luck :)

Thanks for the opinions again guys, you pretty much confirmed what I've concluded....no one ever regrets buying quality. Now off to my dealer to try and squeeze a few bucks more off his 470 demos.

I just ordered Monitor 7 v.5's, 2 ADP-190's, a CC-290, and a PW-2200 sub all in 'rosenut' except the black surounds. They were $2200 CAN taxes in. I should have them in a week. I will let you know how they sound. My room is 'bright' so I may have to fix that before I can reasonable evaluate my system. Any suggestions, eg. throw rug over my tiles concrete floor?

I just triggered on Studio v3 speakers: pair of Studio 60s (store demo), pair of ADP-470, pair of Studio 20s, and Studio CC-470. All for 3400CDN inc TAX. (I think I did good) I am upgrading from Monitor 9 v1. Assuming that I do not drive the speakers to insane volume level, will the speakers the same even after 10yrs later?

Also, what A/V receiver would drive these speakers the best in the range $1000 - $2000US.

I just triggered on Studio v3 speakers: pair of Studio 60s (store demo), pair of ADP-470, pair of Studio 20s, and Studio CC-470. All for 3400CDN inc TAX. (I think I did good) I am upgrading from Monitor 9 v1. Assuming that I do not drive the speakers to insane volume level, will the speakers the same even after 10yrs later?

Also, what A/V receiver would drive these speakers the best in the range $1000 - $2000US.
try to audition a pioneer elite 84txi msrp 1500.00

Paradigm's site has always kind of sucked...just try navigating to specs on one of their Reference speakers...it's quite nonsensical. Additionally, the website has always been weeks and months behind their product releases. The whole structure of their site blows overall.

J.
JasonColeman,

I agree with you about Paradigm's website. I remember when it was Paradigm.ca?? Their speakers are GREAT so I guess that makes up for it??????

Hey all new to the site, i just sold off my monitor system and went with the studio 60's 20's cc470 i still have my ps1000 that i am looking to replace. What sub would you guys match up with what i have.

Hey all new to the site, i just sold off my monitor system and went with the studio 60's 20's cc470 i still have my ps1000 that i am looking to replace. What sub would you guys match up with what i have.

visit http://www.svsound.com/
It's online retailer, but it looks like they are well reviewed and rated by audiophiles. I personally am thinking about adding PC-Ultra sometime in the next year.

Hey all new to the site, i just sold off my monitor system and went with the studio 60's 20's cc470 i still have my ps1000 that i am looking to replace. What sub would you guys match up with what i have.
Seismic™ 10 • Seismic™ 12
:p

try giving the servo-15 a demo great for music and movies
and if the budget is bigger the dd-18 from velodyne.

I'd like to get some thoughts if others are looking at combinations of the new Paradigms for particular room setups.

I have a fairly small room (15x11) and the seating is against the wall about 8 ft from the wall-mounted 42" flat screen. I'm planning on new speakers for 50% TV/movies and 50% music and was looking at the Studio 20's as main speakers.

My wife and I went to listen to the V.3 and decided to wait to audition the V.4. My local dealer mentioned that they were only a couple of weeks off (this was a month ago).

I was put off by the large center channels in the studio line - they are fine for bigger rooms, especially if you are using the bigger studio's for the fronts. We just don't have the space under the TV for such a big speaker.

I'm very interested in the Millenia 20 for the center and would like to audition ASAP.

I'd also love to check out the Signature C1 as it looks like a nice 3-way design and layout that may have a better dispersion. However, the $400 price bump is a major concern. I'm also curious about the new monitor V.5 centers. It looks like there is a 3-way design with a similar driver layout as the C1. I'm wondering how this would integrate with the Studio 20's.

Does anybody have any Canadian prices on the new Studio V4 ?

Mainly the 60,40,20 and cc-590

I was put off by the large center channels in the studio line - they are fine for bigger rooms, especially if you are using the bigger studio's for the fronts. We just don't have the space under the TV for such a big speaker.

I'm wondering how this would integrate with the Studio 20's.

Most folks want to get the biggest center possible, since it is the most important speaker in a movie system. But I can understand your situation.

If you have a way to place it, a third Studio 20 for the center would probably be the best solution.

I'm assuming that the L/R Studios 20s will be fairly close together, and your seating area isn't to wide. When I had mine, spaced only 6-7 ' apart and me sitting 14' away, they didn't image that well with 2 channel material. (my 60s do much better.)

Of course you could always try the "Phantom" center thing first.

Most folks want to get the biggest center possible, since it is the most important speaker in a movie system. But I can understand your situation.

If you have a way to place it, a third Studio 20 for the center would probably be the best solution.

I'm assuming that the L/R Studios 20s will be fairly close together, and your seating area isn't to wide. When I had mine, spaced only 6-7 ' apart and me sitting 14' away, they didn't image that well with 2 channel material. (my 60s do much better.)

Of course you could always try the "Phantom" center thing first.

JasonColeman posted that he has a "spare" 20 v3 for sale that could be used as a center.

TT Toe

The Millenia 20 For a center speaker is very good. I am using it , it sounds great I was surprised how good it was . I was using a cc470 studio no lost in going to the Millenia 20 ..

However in a few weeks the Millenia 30 will be out should be even better .

Alright! Just ordered a CC-690 and a Seismic 12. They'll arrive on Tuesday. I have my ADP-590's, I just need to run new wire before I mount them. I'm also running a RCA line under the room so I can put the seismic in the back corner until the kids grow up. I'm toally stoked! I decided to go ahead and bite the bullet on the CC-690. My dealer didn't have one in stock but I took a good look at the C5 and decided to go for it. Next week will be a good week!

Jimbohts

Thanks for the feedback.

We were look at the cc470 and it was about as big as we wanted to go. We decided to hold off the decision when finding out about the V.4's coming out. Also, the dealer told us this was his last cc470 and the new V.4's would lose this speaker and the only Studio CC's would be bigger.

When I found out about the Millenia, I regained some hope for a matching setup.

I'm also curious to check out the new Monitor CC and as a reference the Millenia 30 (and Sig C1).

JasonColeman posted that he has a "spare" 20 v3 for sale that could be used as a center.
And it is still available. Mint condition Studio 20 v3 in black ash with manual and original box. I bought the pair from out-of-state and UPS lost one of the speakers in transit. Unfortunately my dealer can't get a single 20 v3 anymore and Gary Takeda of Paradigm told me that their supply of them is gone. I unfortunately don't have a spot for a 6.1 back speaker because we've got a large doorway right there. I'm asking $300 + shipping from 44060 and would be happy to e-mail pics to those interested.

J.

Home Theater Setup:

All V3.0 Studios.

Main's 60's;
Center 470;
Rears 20's;
Sides, Mini Monitors;
Sub Seismic 10;
Pre/Pro Anthem AVM50;
Amp Anthem PVA7;
CD Sony RCD-W1;
DVD Oppo 970HD;
PC Monster 3600 MkII;
SAT Bell 9200 HD;

System 2:

CD Arcam 7se;
Amp Rotel RB1080;
Pre Rotel RC 1070;
Speakers B&W 804.

TT Toe

The Millenia 20 For a center speaker is very good. I am using it , it sounds great I was surprised how good it was . I was using a cc470 studio no lost in going to the Millenia 20 ..

However in a few weeks the Millenia 30 will be out should be even better .
What are you using for your front L/R? I am assuming not Millenia series.

Home Theater Setup:

All V3.0 Studios.

Main's 60's;
Center 470;
Rears 20's;
Sides, Mini Monitors;
Sub Seismic 10;
Pre/Pro Anthem AVM50;
Amp Anthem PVA7;
CD Sony RCD-W1;
DVD Oppo 970HD;
PC Monster 3600 MkII;
SAT Bell 9200 HD;

System 2:

CD Arcam 7se;
Amp Rotel RB1080;
Pre Rotel RC 1070;
Speakers B&W 804.

Nice set ups.

That Seismic 10 seems out of place. You need a 15 to go with the rest of the gear. :D

Nice set ups.

That Seismic 10 seems out of place. You need a 15 to go with the rest of the gear. :D


Not at all. Actually, the plan is to pick up another one in the near future.

Home Theater Setup:

All V3.0 Studios.

Main's 60's;
Center 470;
Rears 20's;
Sides, Mini Monitors;
Sub Seismic 10;
Pre/Pro Anthem AVM50;
Amp Anthem PVA7;
CD Sony RCD-W1;
DVD Oppo 970HD;
PC Monster 3600 MkII;
SAT Bell 9200 HD;

System 2:

CD Arcam 7se;
Amp Rotel RB1080;
Pre Rotel RC 1070;
Speakers B&W 804.
Definately a sweet setup, I have something similar...
Living room theater:
Fronts--100 v3's
Center--cc450
Rears--cinema 90's
Receiver--Rotel rsx-1067
DVD--Sony dvp-ns700p
Minidisc--mds-jb920
Satellite--Polk XRt12
Sub-ps-1000
Basement 2 channel
pre--Rotel rc-1070
Amp--rotel rb-1070
CD--Marantz cc4000 ose
CD changer--Sony cdp-cx455
Tuner--Proton at-300
Turntable--Harmon Kardon st-8
Speakers- 1989 Klipsch chorus

After the 1st of the year I will be starting on a dedicated theater and will be upgrading my sub, possible seismic 12, definatley a cc-690 and adding my studio 40's as sides and picking up some 20's for rears.......I still prefer the sound of my Klipsch for 2 channel rocking :D

The Seismics give up a lot at the low end (low 20Hz range) to achieve good numbers higher up (they are TINY afterall). My advice would be to get a REAL sub, that is big enough to actually hit high levels at low frequencies. You want small, low, and loud, pony up for a JL Fathom 113. :)

And Johnny, get rid of that PS-1000! Your Studios demand much more! :)

Home Theater Setup:

All V3.0 Studios.

Main's 60's;

Amp Anthem PVA7;

Amp Rotel RB1080;



Have you compared the Anthem vs the Rotel, on the 60s? Right now I run an old Aragon on my 60s, with a Rotel receiver as the pre-pro. I want to move the Aragon back to my maggie MMGs, which means I would get either a 1080 for the 60s, or a (minimum) 3 channel Anthem power amp.

If so, could you hear any sonic differences between the two?

The Seismics give up a lot at the low end (low 20Hz range) to achieve good numbers higher up (they are TINY afterall). My advice would be to get a REAL sub, that is big enough to actually hit high levels at low frequencies. You want small, low, and loud, pony up for a JL Fathom 113. :)

And Johnny, get rid of that PS-1000! Your Studios demand much more! :)
I hear ya! I know it's in desperate need of replacement... What about m&k? I know a lot of people have been recommending Velodyne, but I see they sell velodyne at Best buy now, I know they still sell high end, such as the dd-18, but it still makes me wonder anytime a company decides to move into the Best Buy market... :(

you really can not go by that because they sell pioneer elite plasmas
considered one of the best in the industry right now. they also sell
martin logan so just because a large chain sells a product don't condem
it on that reason alone.

This is how I will close out 06 (unless Santa is reading this)
40's V.3 L&R
Studio CC V.1 Center
Cinema 90's V.3 Rears
SVS SB12Plus Sub
All driven by a Denon 3805
It is a Mix bag but sounds great for HT
I am sure there is room for improvements
My only complaint is Music does not have enough Eumph at low listening levels
Ya really got to crank up the volume a bit to make the music come to life
My rears are positioned a bit to high and my sofa is against the back wall so they fire over my head -I have them pointed down and angled into the sofa as much as the brackets allow.Not sure if ADPs would work against the back wall
I also have to tune my room & sub I have a big dip @ 70 Hz But will deal with that in the new year after the Xmas tree comes down

I hear ya! I know it's in desperate need of replacement... What about m&k? I know a lot of people have been recommending Velodyne, but I see they sell velodyne at Best buy now, I know they still sell high end, such as the dd-18, but it still makes me wonder anytime a company decides to move into the Best Buy market... :(

What's your real budget? Music vs HT balance? M&K subs are good for music with smaller mains but lack the extension and output for HT, kind of overpriced too.

Ok, so here's my new set up:

Fronts: Studio 20's v.4 on J-29s
Center: CC-590 v.4
Rears: Studio 20's v.4 on J-29s
Sub: Ultracube 10 (got a small room, and this thing has plenty of slam)
Receiver: Yamaha RXV-1600
DVD: Denon DVD-3000
Monitor: Pioneer PDP-4361HD Plasma
Power Pro: Monster & Panamax protection
Blue Jeans Cable all around - good quality and great prices.

The upgrade path is looking like this, but 10k in one year is enough for me!
1) Anthem MCA 50
2) Anthem AVM 30
3) Crazy sub - Seismic 12 or something from SVS

My room is 11 X 17 with a lot of furniture and stuff in it, and I live in an apartement so I have to be careful with the SPL levels. I am very pleased with the performance of my system.

you really can not go by that because they sell pioneer elite plasmas
considered one of the best in the industry right now. they also sell
martin logan so just because a large chain sells a product don't condem
it on that reason alone.
I'm not condemning them, I just feel anytime a product goes into mass market consumpsion, it cheapens it, mainly the name, I forgot about Best buys "Magnolia Room" the Best Buy I normally go to does not have Magnolia, so I forgot..
Don't know if you have Ultimate Electronics where your from, but up here they used to be Audio King and they dealt with mainly high end stuff, now they are Ultimate and they blow, just a case in point...Also The 20 something supermodel types they have working at the Magnolia I go to don't have a clue, they just look pretty....it's a joke....

Have you compared the Anthem vs the Rotel, on the 60s? Right now I run an old Aragon on my 60s, with a Rotel receiver as the pre-pro. I want to move the Aragon back to my maggie MMGs, which means I would get either a 1080 for the 60s, or a (minimum) 3 channel Anthem power amp.

If so, could you hear any sonic differences between the two?

No, this is not something I have tried yet, but I have been meaning to. I will let you know when I do.

I have not compared them myself, but the forums seem to indicate that the Anthem is much smoother than the Rotel.

Have you compared the Anthem vs the Rotel, on the 60s? Right now I run an old Aragon on my 60s, with a Rotel receiver as the pre-pro. I want to move the Aragon back to my maggie MMGs, which means I would get either a 1080 for the 60s, or a (minimum) 3 channel Anthem power amp.

If so, could you hear any sonic differences between the two?

I have not compared them myself, but the forums seem to indicate that the Anthem is much smoother than the Rotel.


I agree. Although I have not tried switching my speakers to see the differences between these two setups, just from playing the same CD's on each, I would have to agree, although, I have always found B&W's to be a bit brighter sounding than Paradigms as well which may also contribute to the "smoothness" of the Paradigm/Anthem combo. Although there is certainly a different sound from each, I'm not sure if I could tell you I prefer one over the other without having them both set up in the same room, etc. I am very pleased with both.

I am using Paradigm Signature speakers. I have the ADP for side surrounds and the S2 for rear surrounds. Unfortunately, I can't mount the ADPs on the side walls and the S2s on the rear wall since there are windows. I'd like to mount them suspended from the ceiling, such that they are vertical (i.e. same orientation that they would be if I had put them on the walls or on stands). Does anyone have any suggestions on how to ceiling mount them?

Earlier, I used Paradigm Studio Reference V1 ADP 450s for the sides and Paradigm Reference Studio 20s for the rears. I had a local metal fabricating shop create custom metal mounts for them. The mounts were basically shaped as follows:

--------------
|
| speaker
| inside
| here
|
-------------

The top of the "C" was bolted onto the ceiling studs, so the speakers rested on the bottom of the "C". The custom ceiling mounts wound up being cheaper than most stands. The ceiling mounts that I had made for my Paradigm Studio Reference aren't the right size for the Pardigm Signature speakers. I can have custom mounts made again, but before doing so, I'm wondering if there are other alternatives that folks have used for ceiling mounting their speakers. Have other folks mounted their Paradigms on the ceiling? Note that I've looked into Omnimount, but they only support a maximum of 20 lbs.

Thanks.

What's your real budget? Music vs HT balance? M&K subs are good for music with smaller mains but lack the extension and output for HT, kind of overpriced too.
Definately not more than $2000.00 and that won't be for awhile. I don't like using subs for music, it's not natural, so it would be pretty much for movies only.

I don't like using subs for music, it's not natural,

:)

Depends on the sub and the person doing the listening. :D

As you step up in quality the more natural it can become.

:)

Depends on the sub and the person doing the listening. :D

As you step up in quality the more natural it can become.
I can believe that, but I think the bigger issue is the type of music being played, I listen to a lot of punk and alternative music and this type of music wouldn't benefit from a sub, unless it's maybe new wave dance music. I could see some classical or jazz benefitting or hip/hop/rap, but I'm not into those formats...
I guess I would have to hear a high-end sub before making a conclusion... :)

Johnny, you have never heard a properly setup subwoofer if you think that. Read the current thread about using a sub in a stereo setup being "pure" or not.

For $2000, you can get incredible quality subwoofing....although you are right, you probably wouldn't gain much for punk music. :) I think if you heard a properly integrated subwoofer in your system though, you would change your mind.