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JohnGZ28

12-02-06, 08:11 PM

Thanx for the input guys. My dealer had a servo 15 in rosewood which was on consignment, but he was steering me away from it? I can't remember why. He did tell me that the servo 15 and the seismic's are two very different sounding subs, can you give me any input on what the difference is as far as sound..Thanx again.... :)

I can only refer you to posts in this thread from happy servo 15 owners.

When choosing my sub I listened to the seismic 12 and the velo spl1200r in home. I purchased the velo. For my ears I like kick drum tight bass. My music listening is dominated by jazz and I found the seismic bass to be what I call "fatter" than the velo.

Stanley Clarke and Ramsey Lewis tend to produce bass enhanced CDs and "fat" subs remind me of the car audio bass heads of the 90s.

The last cut on Stanley Clarke and Friends Live at the Greek is just Clarke and Billy Cobham for about 10 minutes than can separate the good from the bad subs. Michael Jackson's remake of the Beatles Come Together on the History CD has a great kick drum that can expose a sub that can't keep up.

See if your dealer will let you take the sub home for an in house trial.

nyprimus4

12-02-06, 08:21 PM

Does anyone own the Titan V3 speakers? Review please.

EdL

12-02-06, 08:46 PM

I finally pulled the trigger today and have begun my Paradigm system build. My fronts (Studio20 V.4 & CC-590) should be delivered in about 2 weeks. :p

BTW - My dealer said he wouldn't mix the CC-590 & the V.3's. He says he doesn't think the new tweeter will match, even though the difference is supposed to be minimal.

EdL

Mr.WMS

12-02-06, 08:47 PM

oztech

12-02-06, 09:09 PM

as other posters have suggested velo dd-15 my personal favorite
paradigm servo -15 my second choice and if room and wallet is large dd-18.

tryguy

12-02-06, 09:35 PM

Hi there,

I just purchased the following system and need a little bit of help:

Fronts: Monitor 7's v.3
Centre: CC-370 v.3
Sub: PS-1000 v.3
Surrounds: Mini Monitors v.3

I have three questions:

1) Did I make a mistake going with the mini monitors for surrounds?
2) Are there Paradigm specfic wall mounts for the mini's? Or are there sufficient after market ones?
3) If I am unable to bi-wire the Monitor 7's, which of the two potential posts should I hook up?

Thanks!

dbpaddler

12-02-06, 10:15 PM

anyone with the Cinema 220's or 330's as their LCR's compare them to the Def Tech Mythos and Athena WS speakers? I need to go to on-wall due to space restrictions (corner setup above a fireplace). Was thinking originally that the Athena WS60's would do well, but I went back to my old place of work where I used to sell Def Tech and Paradigms and of course my guy is trying to talk me out of them and into the Mythos or Cinemas. I'm trying to stay under $500 for the front three. I can easily get quite a bit under MSRP for the Mythos or Cinema.

Anyone have any off-axis issues with the 220 or 330 as a center. I'm fearing people in adjacent corners to the setup won't have as good of an experience as people that are more centered. I'm sure I'd run into the same issue with the Athenas. At least the Def Tech's have a dedicated center where it's not as much of an issue. But if I get the Seven center then I can only afford to do the Gems for the left and right. Which I could always move them to the rear and upgrade the left and rights later.

Thoughts anyone?

bbrc

12-02-06, 10:41 PM

Hi,i just purchase 6 week ago monitor7v4
cc370
adp370

I love these speakers but they give me ear fatigue after 30min.
Someone gave me the advice to lower treble this
work great i can listen for hours.
Now i want to buy monitor11v5 and cc290 and put
my monitor7v4 in the back and use cc370whit my cpu.

I would like to know if the v5 line is brighter than the v4
dont want to buy them if the are.
I can't listen to them my dealer just dont keep them in stock.

Your opinion would be appeciated.

tspotorno

12-02-06, 11:00 PM

Just curious, are the Sig v2 series shipping for the C5,S8,ADP and the Servo's yet?

Thanks

911RS

12-02-06, 11:21 PM

I've been quoted the following prices (US$):

Monitor 7 v.4 (Demo) $550
CC370 v.4 (Demo) $275
PDR-10 (New) $399

I'm not sure if the above prices are competitive or not. My gut tells me, not.

I do have pricing information for the new v.5, if anyone is interested.

Thanks in advance.

JOHNNYV.3

12-02-06, 11:28 PM

So if thats the case... for $100 more List price... He could have a pair of Studio 60's...

hmmmm Would it be worth it... and would they stand as high...
I would go for the 60's vs spending all that money on stands, better to have more speaker, I would think they would stand about the same, it depends on the size stand of course, you want the tweeter to be at ear level when seated....

JOHNNYV.3

12-02-06, 11:31 PM

as other posters have suggested velo dd-15 my personal favorite
paradigm servo -15 my second choice and if room and wallet is large dd-18.
The dd-15 is almost twice the price of the servo-15 and definately out of my budget, but the velo spl 1200r could be a possiblity, will have to try and demo both, thanx for the input....

elmac

12-03-06, 01:23 AM

Just curious, are the Sig v2 series shipping for the C5,S8,ADP and the Servo's yet?

Thanks
Not yet
Later this month or first week in Jan

elmac

12-03-06, 01:24 AM

as other posters have suggested velo dd-15 my personal favorite
paradigm servo -15 my second choice and if room and wallet is large dd-18.
Agree
DD would be my choice

classvisuby

12-03-06, 09:34 AM

Can someone recommend me a dealer in the GTA?

I'm looking for

Monitor 11 (Pair)
CC-290
ADP-390 (Pair)

+ Sub (not sure what to go with yet)

or

Studio 100 (Pair)
Studio CC-590
Studio ADP-590 (Pair)

+ Sub (not sure what to go with yet)

Not sure what to get for a sub. Recommendations are welcome for my speaker setup.

Although not in the GTA, I dealt with Gibby's Audio Video in St. Catharines, I find their prices to be better than any of the Hamilton/Burlington/Toronto stores I've been to. Check their website, they have prices listed, there's some big discounts on the discontinued versions, although not all items on clearance on the website are still around. If you go in ask for Darcy and tell them Jamie sent you in (the guy who just bought the studio setup)
P.S. When I was in last week they had a demo pair of Studio 100's, CC570 and ADP470's all at very good prices, I tried to talk them down on the ADP's but they wouldn't budge)
Later

rolltide1017

12-03-06, 04:11 PM

I have a question about crossover settings for my speakers. Here's my setup:

Fronts: Mini Monitors (fr 56Hz - 20kHz)
Center: CC-170 (fr 70Hz - 20kHz)
Surr: ADP-170 (fr 90HZ - 20kHz)
Sub: a 10 year old PDR-10
Reciever: Kenwood VR-6070
Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD player using the 5.1 analog outputs.

What would you recommend for a good crossover setting. I can't select a crossover on the receiver but, it is THX certified so I assume it as a built in 80Hz crossover. I'm using the 5.1 analog inputs when watching HD-DVDs which then by-passes all the receivers processing so, I have to use the HD-A1's bass management. I have the crossover in the player set to 100Hz right know but, should I move it to 80Hz? The reason I chose 100Hz is because the ADPs only go down to 90Hz. Do you need to take you surr. into account or only the mains? Last question: where should I set the subs crossover knob? Currently it is at 140Hz but, I'm thinking of dropping it to 130, maybe even 120. I've read many times that most suggest turning your subs crossover all they way up (or off) but, when I turn the knob all the way up the sub becomes too localized. The knob on the sub is what is really confusing me. I don't know where to set it. I don't want it to interfere with the receiver's or HD-A1's crossover. The sub isn't in the best spot in my apartment which is probably causing the localization problem but, it is the only spot it can go. I'm moving soon and will hopefully be able to place it in a better spot. I'm just tring to get a better grasp on this crossover setting stuff so I can attempt to get the best out of my set-up. I love my Paradigm speakers though, even though I could only afford the cheaper ones. Any info or help would be greatly appreciated.

Noose

12-03-06, 04:27 PM

rolltide1017

12-03-06, 05:03 PM

Not sure what your bass management options are on your HD-DVD player but I would run that sub crossed over no higher than 60hz with your mains and the rest at around 100hz if you can set them independently. No offence but that is a one note sub that will just boom at the setting you have it at now. Also, your sub crossover can be turned as high as possible if using the crossover in your player or receiver. Set your mains to small and direct all bass to the sub if possible. also run your sub hot by cranking it and lowering it's level to the lowest on your receiver. I tried this and found it blends better with small bookshelves that way at all volumes.
Thanks for the response. I do not have the ability to set the crossover independently. I can't choose a setting at all on my reciever but the HD player has only 3 choices: 80, 100 or 120Hz. I'm guessing you would recommend the 80Hz setting in this case, which is the lowest I can choose. So, you are also recommending turning the sub's crossover to 150Hz, which is all the way up, correct?

Sendero

12-03-06, 10:26 PM

Can someone help with a good stand recommendation for the CC-570 v3? I only need it to be about 18-24" tall. Most of the ones I've seen do not seem wide enough and even on http://www.premier-av-furniture.com/SpeakerStands/SpeakerStandsHome.html I can't seem to find a good wide one. Any recommendations?

jkhome

12-03-06, 10:39 PM

Who makes the one shown in this review, Premier?

http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/paradigm_studio60v3_cc570v3_adp470v3_seismic12.htm

bamafamily

12-03-06, 11:12 PM

Currently have:
3SE-Minis - Fronts
Atoms - Rears
CC-300 - Center
SVS PB10NSD - Sub

The Center is really making it difficult to find a stand to accomodate the size...
Can someone recommend another Paradigm CC that is smaller, still full bodied and wont break the bank??

thx
Mark

neff2k

12-03-06, 11:12 PM

I believe it is the Premier J-Series. They are on Paradigm's website.

http://www.premier-av-furniture.com/SpeakerStands/J_Series/J_Feat3.html

WebEffect

12-03-06, 11:23 PM

Noose

12-04-06, 02:05 AM

Thanks for the response. I do not have the ability to set the crossover independently. I can't choose a setting at all on my reciever but the HD player has only 3 choices: 80, 100 or 120Hz. I'm guessing you would recommend the 80Hz setting in this case, which is the lowest I can choose. So, you are also recommending turning the sub's crossover to 150Hz, which is all the way up, correct?

I would choose 80hz and consider upgrading to a PW-2200 sub that can handle crossing over at 80hz while providing clean, musical low bass output. Turn the sub crossover to 150Hz as long as you are allowing the players crossover to feed it signal below 80hz.

jkhome

12-04-06, 06:28 AM

I believe it is the Premier J-Series. They are on Paradigm's website.

http://www.premier-av-furniture.com/SpeakerStands/J_Series/J_Feat3.html

Must be the J-18c....there ya go Sendero.

jkhome

12-04-06, 06:44 AM

Does anyone know what a good degree of toe-in is for two Studio 60's (version 4) as fronts?...

On the V3s, Paradigm recommends that they be toed-in at slightly less than 45 degrees, with the invisible "intersecting point" to be 1-2' behind the listener.
That how mine are set up. Start there, let the speakers break in, then adjust to taste.

JohnDG

12-04-06, 09:21 AM

brich436

12-04-06, 10:55 AM

wongmb

12-04-06, 11:01 AM

Does anyone know what a good degree of toe-in is for two Studio 60's (version 4) as fronts? The picture in the manual shows them being toed in at almost 45 degrees, but the writing recommends only a slight toe-in. It says toe-in increases localization...that means that you're more likely to tell that sounds are coming from the speaker...right? That obviously sounds like a bad thing. I'm really confused and I'd appreciate the help...

45 degree definitely sounds WAY too much. I would toe it in more if its close to the side wall but still no where close to 45degree.
I would say a max of 10-20 degree in most cases.
In my room, my 60v2 are 3' away from side wall and I just point them almost straight. Excellent imaging and no localization.

tryguy

12-04-06, 12:30 PM

Hi all,

Is it possible to wall mount the mini-monitors? I have done a search and not found anything specific to the mini mounts. I have the V.3 models.

Thanks in advance

Maximum7

12-04-06, 12:42 PM

Just thought I'd share...
I am helping a friend with his HT set up and so we went down and auditioned stuff.
We looked at the Millineum 200, and the Mon 7 V.5 as he needs a smaller foot print.
I liked the bass and mids of the 7's but the highs were pretty spitty. We decided to throw the V.4 20's in the mix and they bested both of them. Had the open mids of the 7's and even better highs than the M-200. I can't believe hjow small the new 7's are! They are so little but still can kick it out.
BTW
I am selling my year old v.3, 60's, 20's, and 570, if anybody is interested pm me.

rolltide1017

12-04-06, 03:29 PM

Note: I've worked with the PDR-10, and I've found something interesting: turning down the cross-over on the sub really allows you to boost the low-end, and flattens out the frequency repsonse curve (FR). This is with the reciever set at 80Hz.

I found this info at http://www.audio-ideas.com/reviews/ht_loudspeakers/paradigm-stylus.html. The FR chart shows that, by moving the sub's cross-over down to 90Hz (I use 100Hz), that you can turn up the sub, and thus the low ranges, without adding to the 40-100Hz range. I've checked this out on my sub, and the FR results are very flat, less a room induced lull at 45Hz that I would need an equalizer to remove.

jdg

Thanks for the info. Looks like I've got some good stuff to play around with. One question though. Would setting the subs crossover at 90Hz and the source at 80Hz create a double or overlapping crossover (not sure what the technical term is) and isn't that a bad thing?

Mr.WMS

12-04-06, 05:30 PM

Ok heres a quote I got from a local dealer, prices are in canadian dollars

Studio 100 V.4 2529.00
CC590 V.4 858.00
Studio 20 V.5 915.00
PW2200 V.2 12" 949.00
Series Speaker stands 349.00

6384.00 w/ 14% tax (ontario)

Good/Bad? any suggestions?

Thanks

Mark

classvisuby

12-04-06, 08:25 PM

It's less than msrp, but I personally wouldn't pay for the v4's when with a bit of searching you could find version 3's for wayyyyy less than the system you just quoted.
I wouldn't be surprised if some dealers bought up old stock from Paradigm and they're going to blow it out during boxing week. I could be wrong, but it also might be worth waiting another month just in case.

Mr.WMS

12-04-06, 08:33 PM

Well heres the quote I got for their demo equipment v.3

Studio 100 V.3 2100.00
CC470 v.3 525.00
Studio20 v.3 740.35
PW2200 V.2 12" 949.00
Series Speaker stands 349.00

5316.22 w/ tax

miragefan

12-04-06, 10:46 PM

Just wondering what cc to get.This is the first speaker that I'm buying for my new system.My room is 12x35 and I sit about 15ft away from my front speakers.I have a denon 3805 and was wondering if the cc690 was too much for the room(12ft wide)and my receiver?I will eventually get studio 60's for the front but for now I have studio 20's v1.I have a buddy that thinks I don't have enough power and it will drown out my front speakers.I would be happy with the 590 but for $200 extra,the 690 looks very good.

Sendero

12-05-06, 12:08 AM

Must be the J-18c....there ya go Sendero.

Thanks guys. I'll see if my local dealer can get it and how much it is. Someone said $250 and if so then I'll be looking for a diff one in the $100 range. Its a nice stand but not that nice

classvisuby

12-05-06, 08:29 AM

Well heres the quote I got for their demo equipment v.3

Studio 100 V.3 2100.00
CC470 v.3 525.00
Studio20 v.3 740.35
PW2200 V.2 12" 949.00
Series Speaker stands 349.00

5316.22 w/ tax

IMO that's still too far off what it should be for demos. When I was in at my local shop last week they still had a pair of demo 100's for $1800, cc470 for $500, Studio 20's for $600 these were all in like new condition, (and matching black ash).
I actually ended up picking up brand new V3 60's for $1200, along with a new cc470 for $500, but I think that was a bit lucky. Either way I suggest calling up Gibby's in St. Catharines, it might be worth your drive from T.O.

Good Luck

JohnDG

12-05-06, 09:31 AM

Thanks for the info. Looks like I've got some good stuff to play around with. One question though. Would setting the subs crossover at 90Hz and the source at 80Hz create a double or overlapping crossover (not sure what the technical term is) and isn't that a bad thing?

Crossovers are sloping: that is, Db's are slowly reduced/increased above/below the crossover point. IMHO you shouldn't see too much interference.

Best in all cases is to use a sound meter and calibration disc and measure what's happening in your setup. For example, I use a 100Hz crossover due to unavoidable corner loading of my main speakers.

jdg

miltimj

12-05-06, 12:59 PM

Yes, it will double the slope, and as John mentioned, it depends on what you want. Typically it's not a good idea to do that as it will usually result in a dip in frequency response next to the crossover point.

100Hz is considered too high in general, though it depends on the situation. Aim for no higher than 80Hz. That's also the reason why you have some directionality, which is more noticeable once you get up that high.

xrayii

12-05-06, 05:19 PM

does anyone run 4 adp surrounds for the side and rear surround speakers?

schticker

12-05-06, 07:51 PM

Edit: And I completely agree with rnrgagne that the speaker cable has nothing to do with how your speakers sound (provided they are of decent gauge, such as 16 or so)

Then you need to listen to more wire/speaker combos to garner that experience. :p

bluemark81

12-05-06, 07:59 PM

Does anyone know what the screw size is for anchoring the bottom of studio speakers to their stands?

Hawk_Eye

12-05-06, 09:37 PM

Does anyone know retail price of Premier stand J-29, J-18C? How much discount is allowed on these things?

Thanks?

nelson57

12-05-06, 09:50 PM

xrayii, I happen to prefer dipoles all the way around. I am currently using ADP-370's for both L/R Surround, and L/R Rear. I am waiting for my ADP-390's to come in. I am really looking forward to hearing how they sound with the additional driver in the middle now.

If i'm not mistaken this configuration was only available in the Signature Series, and has now been added to the ADP's in the Studio and Monitor lines.

Question for those that have the Signature ADP's, does the driver in the middle create an even more immersive surround experience? And, with the additional driver in the middle, are these still considered dipoles, or are they in reality a sort of dipole/direct hybrid?

davewolfs

12-05-06, 11:29 PM

Hello everyone,

I am looking at getting a new Home Theatre system and am considering Paradigm.

I had set aside a budget of around $2500, but after reading all the rave reviews I am considering the reference series.

Initially, I had planned for

Monitor 9
CC-290
PW-2100/PW-2200
and Mini Monitors or ADP's for rears.

After speaking with a few Dealers I am now considering the following:

Studio 60's
CC-590/CC-690

put off purchasing a sub and rears until a later date. The dealer who sold me on the studio series also mentioned that it might be best to have some SA-15R's installed directly above my sofa rather then hanging rears.

Up front cost would be about the same and more in the long run.

So my question is, what would you do? What can I expect from a Studio series over a Monitor series? Unfortunately, I have not had a chance to listen to either yet.

Thanks,

Dave

Hawk_Eye

12-06-06, 01:17 AM

jkhome

12-06-06, 07:07 AM

Does anyone know what the screw size is for anchoring the bottom of studio speakers to their stands?

On my Studio 20v3s, they were 1/4", 20 threads per inch.

davewolfs

12-06-06, 10:35 AM

Dave,
There is simply no comparison between Reference and Monitor speakers. Reference speakers sound much more natural (but not bright) and sensational sonic clarity. I still have my old Monitor 9 and difference between mon 9 and studio 60 v3 is night and day!
Also, studio speakers look DAMN good. It's far more pleasing visually and sonically than monitor series for sure!

Have you considered getting ADP-470 (ADP-570 for v4)? Try it at Paradigm dealer .. it sound pretty amazing for rear surrounds.

I have been told that you shouldnt use ADP style speakers unless you can position them on the side (center of room, in square room with listening area in center and adp's directly paralell). I am not sure if this is an option yet, so the alternative would be rears or in ceiling. Is there a problem with using in ceiling or regular rears?

Maximum7

12-06-06, 11:50 AM

Does anyone know retail price of Premier stand J-29, J-18C? How much discount is allowed on these things?
My dealer said they list at $299. Discounts would probably be determined by how much your dealer likes you.

it might be best to have some SA-15R's installed directly above my sofa rather then hanging rears.

Is your couch gonna be against the back wall? If not, do you have side walls to work with? If no again, then ADP's on the back wall would work just fine provided there are some sort of boundaries the sound can bounce off of.

davewolfs

12-06-06, 12:05 PM

Dave,
There is simply no comparison between Reference and Monitor speakers. Reference speakers sound much more natural (but not bright) and sensational sonic clarity. I still have my old Monitor 9 and difference between mon 9 and studio 60 v3 is night and day!
Also, studio speakers look DAMN good. It's far more pleasing visually and sonically than monitor series for sure!

Have you considered getting ADP-470 (ADP-570 for v4)? Try it at Paradigm dealer .. it sound pretty amazing for rear surrounds.

Just another question, should I even consider the Studio 20's or do most people jump right into the 60's? Also, what would you use for a sub, would PW-2200 be fine, or should I consider a seismic or ultra cube.

Lastly, is there any reason why I would need a 690, my room is not very large.

rynberg

12-06-06, 12:20 PM

You don't need a 690....a 590 would be fine. The PW-2200 is a more capable and better sounding sub than either the Seismic or Ultracube....it's just bigger.

Maximum7

12-06-06, 12:26 PM

IMHO, they are both great speakers. How big is your room? The 60's might be over kill if it is too small. If you can afford the Seismic, I would suggest it over the 2200. The 2200 is good, but the Seismic is tighter and goes deeper. At least that's what I found when I had them in my room...

Noose

12-06-06, 01:07 PM

Dave,
There is simply no comparison between Reference and Monitor speakers. Reference speakers sound much more natural (but not bright) and sensational sonic clarity. I still have my old Monitor 9 and difference between mon 9 and studio 60 v3 is night and day!
Also, studio speakers look DAMN good. It's far more pleasing visually and sonically than monitor series for sure!

Have you considered getting ADP-470 (ADP-570 for v4)? Try it at Paradigm dealer .. it sound pretty amazing for rear surrounds.

Considering the Monitor v.5 are using several components including crossovers from the Reference v.3 line, I am sure the gap is narrow in most peoples acoustically poor rooms.

davewolfs

12-06-06, 01:25 PM

I am on the road right now but I will be back on Thursday. I will measure the room then. If the 60's are too big, should I just go down to the 20's? If I am going down to the 20's would I want to consider the monitor 9's or should I just stick with the 20's?

tryguy

12-06-06, 01:32 PM

Hi there everyone and thank you for any help you can give me. I just got a pair of Mini Monitors (V.3) for use as surrounds and am disappointed to see that they are not ideal (seems the dipole route is the way to go). Knowing my budget, I will have to stick with the Mini's for the time being. Maybe in the future, the Mini's will become rear's and I will get some ADP-370's for the surrounds.

Can anyone tell me how you have found the Mini's as surrounds? How did you have them set up? I have them about 6.5' off the ground pointed down towards the central couch and toed in at a 45 degree angle (I am guessing). Is there a better way to set these up?

I also have my Monitor 7's set up beside my screen, but due to my lack of foresight, the left one is almost right up against the side wall. Based on the fact that there is precious little room to move them over, any ideas what I could do?

Here is a basic (read: very basic) image of the layout of my HT.

http://i17.tinypic.com/3484qcx.jpg

caesar1

12-06-06, 02:44 PM

Can anyone recommend a good center speaker stand for the CC 470?

It will be sitting underneath a front projector screen. The bottom of the screen will be at about 28 inches.

Hawk_Eye

12-06-06, 03:16 PM

Considering the Monitor v.5 are using several components including crossovers from the Reference v.3 line, I am sure the gap is narrow in most peoples acoustically poor rooms.

No difference is still night and day .. I auditioned new condom driver monitors (v5).. They are no where near reference speaker level. BTW, how can you confirm that Paradigm put reference component in monitor series? Unless I see proof from Paradigm, I think this is highly doubtful. Some members said new studio lines have same tweeters from signature line? Why would Paradigm do that?

Hawk_Eye

12-06-06, 03:25 PM

Just another question, should I even consider the Studio 20's or do most people jump right into the 60's? Also, what would you use for a sub, would PW-2200 be fine, or should I consider a seismic or ultra cube.

Lastly, is there any reason why I would need a 690, my room is not very large.

Check out Paradigm website. They recommand adp for rear surround all the way. I have spoken to many paradigm sales people, they all said adp speakers for rear surrounds. Paradigm website has article that explains why you should choose adp for R.S. bit complicated to understand .. but it you are up for it .. it;s there.

Believe it or not, I was thinking of getting Studio 40s for front for mixture of power, finess, and killer midrange (great for jazz vocals!). But Studio 60 was pretty good in all those department with more bang. Studio 20 with powered sub woofer should be very good too with music, but may have "power" problem with like action movies that has constant deep bass and thundering sounds, But I have read many professional reviews on the net and magazine that studio 20s is THE choice for 2 channel music listening. (not for rap and hiphop i would think lol..)

Check out SVS sub. google SVS audio. Extremely good sub. Very well respected.

Warpdrv

12-06-06, 05:09 PM

No difference is still night and day .. I auditioned new condom driver monitors (v5).. They are no where near reference speaker level. BTW, how can you confirm that Paradigm put reference component in monitor series? Unless I see proof from Paradigm, I think this is highly doubtful. Some members said new studio lines have same tweeters from signature line? Why would Paradigm do that?

I just auditioned the new Montior 11's v5 today against the Studio 100's v3, they sounded fantastic, (but) they are deffinately 2 different animals...Night and Day? I wouldn't go so far as to say the monitor sounded crappy one bit, The Studio line is alot less efficient, so it takes way more raw power to drive the Studios.. Switching between the two requires a major volume knob change... :)
My dealer is extremely knowlegeble of the paradigm line, and only offers his other speaker choice in the store as B&W.

The Monitor series are a line that Paradigm puts out there for the average joe who doesn't buy high power/quality amps to drive them, they make them much more efficient/sensitive and I believe that its a smart move for Paradigm to make for more lower price point sales... (I also notice they have magnetic grills now, unless they did before.. I don't know - I did not like the way they lined up, was kinda sloppy in my opinion, not the precise molded rubber inset like the 100s)
I heard the 11's in a stereo layout driven by a NAD seperates setup and we switched back and forth between them and the Studio 100's, I was pleased with what both had to offer, The Studio 100's seemed to have a much more broad and cleaner range, not that the 11's didn't stand up on their own, I liked both!! Iran them through my mix cd of rock, jazz, new age, blues and even some hiphop, a good mix with alot of range, horns, strings, bass, vocals, everything I could think of for a good spread of variety.. the 11's we're enjoyable with excellent dispersion and sound field in the room. Just not as tight and exacting as the 100's.
Then he Physically moved the 11's over to the Home Theater spot (same room) and hooked it up for a movie with CC and adps driven by a Marantz 8001 and a sub. They had plenty of power at 120 wpc and sounded fantastic pulling plenty of punch in the lows and responsive and clean mids, and respectable high end.

He will be getting a pair of studio 100 .v4 in the next few weeks, and he gracefully invited me to wait and check out the side by side comparison with the Monitor 11's again against the studio 100's .v3 and v4...
Although my heart is set on the Studio Line I cannot say I wouldn't be happy with the monitor 11's at all.. at quite a drastic price savings..
The New Studio's are getting the Sinature tweets from last years model .v1, as they put in a new tweet in .v2.... so yes as they upgrade to new lines they drop the older line of parts respectivly to the next model line down.. A great idea from a manufacturing standpoint... cost savings for paradigm..

Sorry for the lengthy post, just thought Id share my viewpoint... as Im sure of some people that will be trying to decide between th monitor series and the studio series.... Hope this helps a bit.. :) BTW I am not an expert by any means, so don't beat me up here.. just one persons opinion.. :D

Warp

Warpdrv

12-06-06, 05:22 PM

Check out Paradigm website. They recommand adp for rear surround all the way. I have spoken to many paradigm sales people, they all said adp speakers for rear surrounds. Paradigm website has article that explains why you should choose adp for R.S. bit complicated to understand .. but it you are up for it .. it;s there.
respected.

Thanks for the idea, I didn't see that when I was at the site... great info...
Here is that link for the surround system
http://www.paradigm.com/Website/AllAboutSound/Surrounds.html

http://www.paradigm.com/Website/News/Downloads/DipolarConfusion.pdf

taxman48

12-06-06, 07:17 PM

In wall speakers: can someone tell me the difference between the 2 lines of inwall spkrs. that Paradigm have? Looking at the AMS line and the CS line. Receiver is an Onkyo Sr800 7.1 700w..Rear spkrs will be approx 14' from listening area. thankyou in advance..

Builder Guy

12-06-06, 08:20 PM

Can anyone recommend a good center speaker stand for the CC 470?

It will be sitting underneath a front projector screen. The bottom of the screen will be at about 28 inches.

I have a great speaker stand for my CC690. It's called a Servo15. Try it. You'll liiiiiike it.

xswl0931

12-07-06, 12:09 AM

Has anyone wall mounted their ADPs? I bought Omnimount 20s. Do I just drill into the back?

hifisponge

12-07-06, 12:41 AM

Has anyone wall mounted their ADPs? I bought Omnimount 20s. Do I just drill into the back?

There should be two holes in the back for the mounts that come with the speaker. If you need to make new holes for different mounts, just be careful not to drill deeper than about an inch.

Noose

12-07-06, 02:03 AM

Hawk_Eye

12-07-06, 04:00 AM

OK, u got me there Noose.

Beside overall soinc difference, studio speakers look pretty damn good, which is another deciding factor for me.

DrPainMD

12-07-06, 06:22 AM

How do you like your monitor setup Noose? How big is your room? Where are your surrounds located?

jkhome

12-07-06, 07:43 AM

Has anyone wall mounted their ADPs? I bought Omnimount 20s. Do I just drill into the back?

I plan to this weekend! Been building on a Studio v3 system for over a year now, I freaked out when I heard of the upgrade to v4, 'cause I hadn't bought my ADP470s yet. Called my dealer, he ordered a pair for me which I "laid away" until last week.

The ADPs come with two little pair of "W" brackets that slide into each other to hold the speaker on the wall. But these are heavy speakers, so I would highly recommend finding an inner wall stud to screw into.

Now I have a question for existing owners of the ADPs...what is the limit of the dispersion from the "null" point? In other words, how many degrees from the center can one go before localizing the speaker?

The reason I ask is, due to the above scenario with finding a wall stud, My ADPs will be slightly forward from the side position. Equivalent to moving the listening chair forward 1'. Not a big deal, I hope :)

Update: I've used a couple of 6' ladders as temporary stands, to play around with positioning. Found that the best "null" spot, in my room, was pretty tight. (It is 7' from the center listening spot to the sidewalls) Enough so that using an additional wood panel, to space the speakers over to the exact mid side point will be worth the trouble.

caesar1

12-07-06, 10:11 AM

I have a great speaker stand for my CC690. It's called a Servo15. Try it. You'll liiiiiike it.

I'm looking for something a little more stable and secure -- particularly with a big dog and a 2 year old possibly coming near it.

My SVS PB12-NSD will be in the corner.

davewolfs

12-07-06, 12:10 PM

Just spoke with my local dealer and they are willing to offer me last years signature series S4 and C3 for half the price! I am going to have to go check this out. Apparantly one of the speakers is slightly scratched, we will have to see to what extent.

rsnudden

12-07-06, 03:08 PM

2000gsr

12-08-06, 01:52 PM

rsnudden,

How do the new monitor 11's and cc290 sound?? I'm thinking about picking them up from audio one also.

qpr_fan

12-08-06, 06:53 PM

I'm looking to get some new front speaker so I can move my mini monitors to the rear. My dealer has a pair of Monitor 9v4 brand new and a pair of monitor 11v4 demos. After listening to both I've decided to go for the demo monitor 11's. How much should I offer?

Luap

12-08-06, 09:29 PM

For demos you should get about 35% off the list price. Offer 60% of list and see where it goes from there.

taxman48

12-08-06, 09:33 PM

no replies to in wall speaker question?.. Looking for difference between the AMS and the CS line of Paradigm in wall spkrs..

snookboy

12-08-06, 09:38 PM

I purchaed some Studio 60's about 18 months ago and I really love them, but have regretted not going with the 100's. With the new release I've decided to bite the bullet and sell the 60's and get the 100's. I pulled the trigger yesterday and hope to have them before next weekend. I'm really looking forward to getting them.

ayrton

12-08-06, 10:12 PM

Paradigm Studio 100
Paradigm CC 590
Paradigm ADP 370
Paradigm Seismic 10

bluemark81

12-09-06, 07:47 AM

Why do I see all kinds of people with the new Studio V4, but Paradigms website still is showing the V3?

bluemark81

12-09-06, 07:57 AM

I have a pair of Studio 20's that I'm using as my rears and Mini Monitors for my sides. Would these be better reversed?

JohnGZ28

12-09-06, 08:40 AM

Why do I see all kinds of people with the new Studio V4, but Paradigms website still is showing the V3?

Because Paradigm has not updated their website.

JohnGZ28

12-09-06, 08:42 AM

I have a pair of Studio 20's that I'm using as my rears and Mini Monitors for my sides. Would these be better reversed?

Switch them, play your favorite DVD and CD, switch them back, repeat until your ears tell which sounds better.

Noose

12-09-06, 12:02 PM

How do you like your monitor setup Noose? How big is your room? Where are your surrounds located?

I just received and set up my Monitor v.5 speakers and PW-2200 a few nights ago. They sound good for the sub not being broken in, no true calibration and the room lacking acoustic treatment. Once I address these issues I will post my impressions. Any tips on treating my room are welcome. I have a tiled concrete floor that I plan to get a throw rug for. My room is 26ft long x18ft wide less a 6'x6' notch in a rear corner. I plan on wall mounting the ADP's soon.

Luap

12-09-06, 03:39 PM

The sub doesn't need to break in. ;)

JAR5197

12-10-06, 12:21 AM

I've been a reader for well over a year, but this is my first post. (So be gentle)
I am finally getting close to completing our basement. The main seating area (13 x 24 with two large openings) will double as the HT. I currently have Monitor 7s for fronts and a CC-370. Surrounds will be in soffits (4 Sonance 623T) Sub is SVS PB12 Plus/2. All but the sub were bought off ebay over the past year. Money is very tight and bang for the buck is paramount. I am in need of your respected opinions on the following:
1. The Studio line seems to be a favorite. Especially the 20s. Would they be an improvement to the 7s considering they are smaller speakers with fewer drivers, and the large room size. The 40s are not as popular and you can sometimes get them for little if any more than the 20s. And now that the v4 is out, maybe they will be easier and cheaper to find used. ? ? ?
2. My thinking is to stay with a receiver. I'm thinking Yami 2700 or Denon 2807. What are your opinions about these choices.
I will give a listen at local dealer, but the two lines are in different rooms.
Thanks for the help.

Noose

12-10-06, 02:36 AM

The sub doesn't need to break in. ;)

This guys review led me to believe that this sub might need some time to break in.

http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speakers/subwoofers/paradigm/PRD_120358_2741crx.aspx#review0

Price Paid: $1000.00 from AudioVideo

Summary:
Throughout this review I will be describing differences between my new pw2200 v2 400 rms sub and my last sub which was a ps1000 v3 175 rms. I have had many paradigm speakers in the past to know not to judge them until fully broken in so with my review you will not be getting some hasty review by someone who plugged it in then wrote a review. I will be describing sound quality and quantity from day one. Day one, I set it up with my receiver crossing over 80 hz on up to my mains center and surrounds and 80 hz on down to the sub. First impression: my old ps1000 pounded way harder. I have to admit with a band pass enclosure such as the ps1000 each watt means something, it is designed with output being its best quality. I looked at the woofer of the pw2200 for the first couple of songs and I noticed alot of woofer movement with not alot of sound quantity. Not to panic, I have broken in many paradigm speakers in the past so I know things will change. I listened to music for about 2 hours first day with no apparent change. Day 2: tried a few movies at medium volume, still did not have that bass impacted presence that my old ps1000 had with movies, finished day 2 listening to music and started hearing a cleaner tighter sound then what I was used to with my old ps1000. Day 3: I started listening to music at a higher volume, not cranked, but louder then the first couple of days. Now I have put about ten hours on it. I would look at the woofer while in play and still saw alot of woofer movement compared to sound quantity. Keep in mind I do have a rad shack sound pressure meter so I was calibrating my sub every day. Day 4 5 6 7 noticed very gradual increases in sound quality and quantity. Week 2: Normaly, every paradigm speaker that I have had in the past was usually broken in by the end of the first week, about 20 hours. Not this one and I have to admit I was starting to wonder. I asked my wife to play music all day if need be while I was at work to hurry the process along. Everyday I was getting gradual improvements and then all of a sudden during week 3 about 40 to 50 hours this sub just came alive. It was clean, fast,clear, and it just started pounding with complete authority. It was now broken in and it was completely spanking my old sub. The bass impacted on my chest and on my furniture was like nothing I have experienced before. I know my old sub was a 10 incher and my new one is a 12 incher so the end result is kind of obvious, but it sure to awhile. Quality: my old ps1000 was sure a one note wonder, lots of output but just one note. New sub pounded WAY harder with excellent bass transition between notes. My receiver could transfer bass at 80 100 120 and 150. My ps1000 would sound god awful at 150, terrible at 120, not very good at 100, and only barely acceptibe at 80 hz. If only my receiver would do 60 hz I am assuming it would be very good. I can not say for sure. I tried my pw2200 at 80 100 120 and 150 just to see how it would react and I could not believe how awesome it sounded at all those crossover frequencies. This sub is very powerful, all my music and movies have unbelievable amount of punch. Sound quality is like nothing I have heard before. Now when I look at the woofer while being played, the woofer movement now matches the output. I know people have said that this sub does not sound good in a corner, I disagree, my old ps1000 sounded very bloated in a corner but the pw2200 sounds very good in the corner. If anybody can not afford the pw2200 and can only afford the ps series, keep this in mind, it will sound better the lower it is crossed over. If you have a ss reciever that can cross over at 60 hz and you have very capable mains center and surrounds, the ps1000 or even better the ps1200 will most likely be an awesome combination. The THX spec of 80 hz "not that this means anything" is just to high for a bandpass enclosure that is a one note sub. If you want a sub that does many bass notes and absolutely pounds with sheer authority I highly recommend the pw2200.

Strengths:
It took awhile but huge clean output. Very musical and Very punchy. I know all rooms have there problems but for my room corner placement is awesome.

Weaknesses:
It is big but who cares, it pounds!

Similar Products Used:
Paradigm ps1000 v3

AnthemAVM

12-10-06, 11:04 AM

Hello,

I am trying to find a place, that I can demo some S8, sounds like nice reviews. I was wondering that if anyone that has recently purchased some, could PM what they paid?

Thanks

rjsquirrel

12-10-06, 11:11 AM

What are you using for 2 chanel stereo for Sig s2 on stands anyone?

RJ

abyssblue

12-10-06, 06:15 PM

My S2s are being driven by a Sony STR-DA7100ES receiver and matching DVP-NS9100ES SACD/CD player via firewire. The S2s are on Paradigm's J29 stands. In my opinion, the stands are too high. They look good, but they are just too tall.

Mike

crosswire

12-10-06, 09:29 PM

DrPainMD

12-10-06, 09:49 PM

The wall where the tv is going to hang is slightly off where thes studs are concerned.however, i know you have to bolt the speakers to the stud, but what if you cannot and not correctly positioned the speakers...can i use butterfly anchors into the drywall? or any other means of using the drywall?
thanks

this is what i have
http://www.paradigm.com/Website/SiteParadigmProduct/ParadigmModels/CinemaCT/Cinema110CT_Specs.html

lots of chewing gum should do the trick :)

or

just treat it as anything else that you would hang that weighs the same as the speakers, drywall anchors etc..

or see what others are doing in the cinema owners thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=666308

Luap

12-10-06, 11:19 PM

This guys review led me to believe that this sub might need some time to break in.

http://www.audioreview.com/cat/spea...rx.aspx#review0

This guy doesn't know much about subwoofers.... not that I'm any kind of expert, but having spent time with a friend's PS1200, his PW2200 and my Ultracube 12, including calibrating and comparing them.... The weakness of the PS line is not in the upper range, but in the deep bass. They will shake things and sound impressive in movies, but they don't play low enough to reproduce the sound of hall ambiance in classical music. Put on Stravinsky's Firebird from Telarc (1978 or 1979) and you will hear the hall ambiance with the PW2200 and the Ultracube 12, but not with the PS line. After calibration with a meter the bass will sometimes sound stronger on the PS1200 but we believe that is a result of compensating for the missing low frequencies from the PS1200. The PW2200 and Ultracube sound tighter and more accurate, but all sound noticeably boomier in a corner. It is much easier to get a smooth frequency sweep by placing them in the centre of the room, and so I disagree with the statement about the PW2200 not sounding worse in a corner. Of course the rooms are different and there may be a personal preference for a certain type of sound. My friend and I used a metre to set the levels and did frequency sweeps to compare the linearity.

Articles have been written that show it takes less than a minute to break in a speaker. There is no physical reason for a speaker to take weeks to break in, and many have suggested that it is the person getting used to the sound of the speaker. As for the woofer movement changimng with respect to sound output, I don't believe it. That would suggest a huge change in efficiency and sonic chracter over a number of days, and this would clearly be both audible and measurable. To date, no one has published any such measurements.

JAR5197

12-11-06, 01:45 AM

Hoof

12-11-06, 11:07 AM

Has no one had a chance to audition the new S1's or S6's!? I've heard 0 comments regarding these new very anticipated speakers.

In fact pretty much no comments at all regarding the whole new signatures. How do the new tweeters compare to the old ones in the version 1's?

bongobob

12-11-06, 01:14 PM

Does anyone have any experiance with Paradigm customer service? There's a guy over on audioholics that's dumping a 6 month old set of 100's because his dealing with them were so disappointing. Just wondering if it was an abberation or the status quo...... - B

Maximum7

12-11-06, 01:37 PM

BUMP Someone out there surely has an opinon on this? ? ?

Ok, I'll give mine.
I think the 7's are a great speaker. And up until the V.4 Studios, it was always a tough choice auditioning between the two (when helping friends with their HT's). The 7's definitely have more bass but the 20's do the mids and highs better. Especially with version 4.
I think what you have, keeping in mind your budget, is just fine. Unless you could step up to the 60's and/or were mainy listening to music, then I don't think you should worry about it.

As far as your receiver choices, everybody will give you different answers. I wouldn't choose either of those, but YOU need to make that decision as you will be using and listening to them. Yamaha and Denon make fine receivers.
If you like what you hear in your room and it is what you can afford, then be happy with it and don't worry about what other people say, (unless they walk out saying it sucks real bad)

Maximum7

12-11-06, 01:46 PM

Before I put them on the "bay" I thought I'd mention again I am selling my year old
Studio 60's, 20's, and CC-570. All are black, and V3. PM me with any questions.

BTW, I am asking a fortune for them because unlike me, I think they're worth it.

JAR5197

12-11-06, 02:20 PM

Thanks Maximum7
Iappreciate the feedback. I feel much better about what I have now.
I am still open on the reciever. What do you suggest I look into?

AnthemAVM

12-11-06, 02:28 PM

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Killroy44

12-11-06, 03:19 PM

Anyone know where I can get the mounting hardware for the ADP-470's? I bought a pair off ebay and need the mounts.

Thanks.

lentiman

12-11-06, 06:07 PM

Does anyone know the cost of a Studio 60v3 grill? My grills are fine, but with a 16 month old and one on the way, they're going to get a beating. I thought I'd go ahead and but a set of replacement grills before they stop making them. That way when the kids get older I can replace them and they'll look as good as new. So... costs? Same for a CC-690 grill.

antman27

12-11-06, 06:21 PM

Dont worry about the grills ,once the kids are big enough you will want new speakers not grills :D

lentiman

12-11-06, 06:24 PM

=P Well I was able to afford these by luck. I obtained a B&W HTM1 for $400 and sold it for nearly $1600. Also found a set of original Studio 60s for $400 and sold them for about $900. I don't anticipate getting that lucky again any time soon. =)

Dont worry about the grills ,once the kids are big enough you will want new speakers not grills :D

Luap

12-11-06, 09:22 PM

A grill for the Monitor 11 version 4 costs $40 in Canada, and I can't imagine the other models being much more.

Hattrick

12-11-06, 10:11 PM

Hawk_Eye

12-11-06, 10:28 PM

Dont worry about the grills ,once the kids are big enough you will want new speakers not grills :D

I never see myself getting rid of my studio speakers. They sound so good. I'll always have them in my home one way or the other.

Maximum7

12-11-06, 11:05 PM

Can I possibly use a Millenia 20 as the Center with some studio 20's v3 as the fronts...
I think you could as long as the 20's are V.3. When I listened to the 20 v.4's in the store against the "M's" (Millenias) for me and my friend, there was a difference in the way each handled the mids and to a smaller extent the highs. The V.3's have more or less the same style of drivers as the M's so they should be on par with each other one would think.
See if you can audition them all together in the store.

What about just doing M 20's all around?

davewolfs

12-12-06, 08:49 AM

Has anyone tried out the new Signature Series?

tt_toe

12-12-06, 11:49 AM

Hattrick,

I'm interested in the feedback as well as I posted a similar question (post 2727) a while back.

I'm thinking of the Studio 20's V.4 however with the M20 center also because of size constraints. I have not heard them all together yet, but this could be an interesting combo for Paradigm.

caesar1

12-13-06, 10:21 AM

Hattrick

12-13-06, 10:24 AM

TT_Toe

What is your plan for the Rear speakers(5.1) and Surround (7.1) ? What about a Sub.

tt_toe

12-13-06, 01:03 PM

caesar1

12-13-06, 01:47 PM

gally1998

12-13-06, 02:00 PM

I know that side surrounds of the ADP style (I'm buying the new ADP 590s) are supposed to be placed directly to the sides of the listener in a 7.1 set up (and 2 feet or so above the listener).

Regarding the side placement, is that directly next to the back of the seat cushion -- or directly across from the ears? That is a difference of almost 8 inches on my chairs -- due to a large back cushion.

So if the back of the chair is at 11 feet, should the center of the ADP speaker be at 10' 4 inches -- roughly where the ears will be (or should it be at 11 feet)?

Also, how large is the null field? For instance, if the recommendation above is to place the speakers directly across from the ears at 10' 4 inches, but I have to place the speakers slightly forward (say at 10' exactly) -- will that horribly effect the sound (or will I still be in the null)?

How precise do you need to be on this side placement and still have great sound?

Note that this is for 99% DVDs and HDTV (not music).

Caesar1,

I have ADP-470's .V3 in a 7.1 arrangement approximately 2ft. above the listener. There are two rows of seating, so the sides are actually located slightly behind (~1ft) the first row and in front (~2ft) of the second row. And IMO they sound great. The optimun seating is definately in the first row, but the back row surely isn't horrible. The ADP's are so disperse, I don't think placement is all that critical.

...oh, and if you're looking for a sub, I strongly recommend the Servo-15 .v2.

caesar1

12-13-06, 02:07 PM

Caesar1,

I have ADP-470's .V3 in a 7.1 arrangement approximately 2ft. above the listener. There are two rows of seating, so the sides are actually located slightly behind (~1ft) the first row and in front (~2ft) of the second row. And IMO they sound great. The optimun seating is definately in the first row, but the back row surely isn't horrible. The ADP's are so disperse, I don't think placement is all that critical.

...oh, and if you're looking for a sub, I strongly recommend the Servo-15 .v2.

I will have 2 rows too -- but I'm trying to optimize for the front row (since that will be used most).

The real question is, how large is the null with these speakers? So how much leeway, front and back, do you have from a pin point central location directly across to the side of the ears?

I have a sub already picked out -- SVS PB12-ISD.

Rears will be Pardigm Atoms.

Noose

12-13-06, 02:15 PM

Looking for some feedback on my plan that I have changed 2x already. First off it is a small space and I am looking for some small form factors (WAF). My 50 inch Plasma is over the fire place and the size constraint is on the depth of the CC since it must sit on the mantle (8 Inches Deep).

Started with a nice servicible package of FRONT Titans, CENTER cc170 , REAR ADP 170 (2) and Ultracube. It sounded acceptable but when I switched to the Mini-monitors in the front the sound was much better (deeper, richer). So I then considered using the Mini-monitors in the fronts with an Monitor OnWall center, but I can not get the monitor onwalls any more(discontinued) now that I am getting ready to pull the trigger.

Now I am going totally off the deep end. Can I possibly use a Millenia 20 as the Center with some studio 20's v3 as the fronts... I have not heard either but am going on what I have read here. I am starting to get into some real $$ here now Since the mix will be 70% (TV/Movies) and 30% (Music) am I over reaching with the Millenia and Studio combo. The main part of the room is roughly 20 x 15 with 7 foot ceilings (lower level of raised ranch) Main seating from the PDP is 15 feet from the panel.

Suggestions and alternatives are more than welcome :confused:I went with Monitor 7 v.5, CC-290 center ADP-190 sourounds and a PW-2200 sub. One of the reasons I chose them is their high sensitivity (94 db for center and mains) that match well with my 100watt/channel receiver. What is the power of your receiver? Also, I cross everything over at 90Hz which allows the amps to work over a narrower frequency range, creates less distortion from the speakers and lets the sub do it's job. The 7's are very narrow and low profile. My dealer said it's no problem to upgrade to Monitor 11 v.5's and I am already considering them.

brickyardz

12-13-06, 03:08 PM

JOHNNYV.3

12-13-06, 03:29 PM

Hattrick,

I'm struggling to figure out the rear speakers as the sectional couch is against the back wall of the room. I'm considering the Cinema ADP's for at least 5.1, not considering 7.1.

The sub is also a struggle as there is not much space in front either. I really like the new SVS SB 12+, but I think it's dimensions are too big for the space. I'm also considering the Sunfire True Subwoofer Super Junior since it is only 9x9 in.

Sub may also be later in the plans due to the harder WAF sell than the Studio 20's which already have the green light.
In my living room setup I am currently using cinema 90's for the rears in a 5.1 set up, my couch is against the back wall and I have them up in the corners tilting towards the couch. They actually sound really good. I think some poeple go overboard with their rear speakers, I don't see the point of using a floor stander for rears, but thats just me....

Warpdrv

12-13-06, 05:33 PM

Is Paradigm updating their speaker line? I am interested in using the Signature series for my apartment. Signature S4's for the fronts,Signature C3 for center,and Signature ADP's for surrounds. The Signature Servo would be way too much for my apartment,but I would like to use a sub. What would should I look at? Can you mount the Signature ADP's on stands or are they wall mount only? If Paradigm is updating their speaker line,I am going to wait to see what they are coming out with.

I too am interested if ADP's can be stand mounted... and whether the stands will be high enough....?

I have quite the oddly shaped room, so I will attempt to put them on stands, otherwise I will have to make custom wall brackets.. anyone having some insight on this thought would be great...

thanks

Warp

caesar1

12-13-06, 05:50 PM

Boxerboy

12-13-06, 06:31 PM

Warpdrv

12-13-06, 08:05 PM

The back left and right sit on 42" stands to throw their sound over the back of my large sofa.

What did you use for the 42" stand...?

thanks

jkhome

12-13-06, 09:48 PM

Can I get more opinions on this please? There must be dozens of ADP 470 owners out there reading this.

I temporarily set up my ADP470s last week, on 6' ladders (w/ plywood bases and clamps for extra support) and wiring draped across the floor. With each surround on the sides, about 7' distance from the center listening position, I played a continuous pink noise through each speaker. By moving my head forward and backward, I was able to find the best null zone, where the speakers were the most non-locatable. I also used the Chesky Ultimate Surround Sample disc, to help with the setup. Highly recommended.

Once I found the best spot, pulled the ladders back until they sounded right, with me sitting in my usual spot. Then measured the speaker position to the back wall.

I did this because at first I had hopes of mounting them 1' more forward from center to the sides. I found the most non-locatable "sweet spot" VERY narrow, (1'-18" at the most) and my original new spot wasn't going to cut it.

I glad I took the time to do this, as I would of been disappointed other wise.

Of course, the ADP 590s, if I'm not mistaken, are a closer design to the Signature surrounds, so YMMV. Where as the 470 is a di-pole/bi-pole, isn't yours more of a di-pole/mono-pole?

caesar1

12-14-06, 02:23 PM

I temporarily set up my ADP470s last week, on 6' ladders (w/ plywood bases and clamps for extra support) and wiring draped across the floor. With each surround on the sides, about 7' distance from the center listening position, I played a continuous pink noise through each speaker. By moving my head forward and backward, I was able to find the best null zone, where the speakers were the most non-locatable. I also used the Chesky Ultimate Surround Sample disc, to help with the setup. Highly recommended.

Once I found the best spot, pulled the ladders back until they sounded right, with me sitting in my usual spot. Then measured the speaker position to the back wall.

I did this because at first I had hopes of mounting them 1' more forward from center to the sides. I found the most non-locatable "sweet spot" VERY narrow, (1'-18" at the most) and my original new spot wasn't going to cut it.

I glad I took the time to do this, as I would of been disappointed other wise.

Of course, the ADP 590s, if I'm not mistaken, are a closer design to the Signature surrounds, so YMMV. Where as the 470 is a di-pole/bi-pole, isn't yours more of a di-pole/mono-pole?

Are you saying the null was 1' to 18 inches wide at the most? Meaning you could move the speaker back and forth that amount from the center point (the center point being where your ears are)? So if my ears are at a position 10 feet back from the screen, the ADPs could be positioned anywhere from 9 feet to 11 feet back from the screen, and I would still be in the null? Not sure I understand your findings.

The reason I'm asking is that my seating (due to room issues) has to be at a certain point. But the center of the ADP side surrounds may have to be slightly forward of that point (but not by more than a foot or so).

As far as I know the 590s are the same as the 470s, except for the woofer in the middle.

tairwait

12-14-06, 04:43 PM

How much should I be paying at a dealer for studio 60's?

jkhome

12-14-06, 07:56 PM

Are you saying the null was 1' to 18 inches wide at the most? Meaning you could move the speaker back and forth that amount from the center point (the center point being where your ears are)? So if my ears are at a position 10 feet back from the screen, the ADPs could be positioned anywhere from 9 feet to 11 feet back from the screen, and I would still be in the null? Not sure I understand your findings.

Yes, you are correct. In my room, sitting 7' away from each surround, playing pink noise out of each ADP, the most non-locatable sound was only this much (closer to 12" than 18".) Reminded me of the tinny sweet spot I get with my Maggie MMGs. Might not be so noticable with "regular" material, and I imagine the further the speakers are, traveling sideways, away from the center spot, the wider the null area would be (in a wider room then mine). But placing them in just the right spot was the only way I got the correct "In-phase/out of phase" test results and proper "mid between front and rear"ping placement test results from the Chesky test disc.

The reason I'm asking is that my seating (due to room issues) has to be at a certain point. But the center of the ADP side surrounds may have to be slightly forward of that point (but not by more than a foot or so). .

Yes, I am in the same situation, and had hoped to mount the ADP foward from center, due to a window on one side. In my situation, by moving them foward, to clear the curtain rod, I lost some of the null effect at this spot. The performance improvement by moving them back, to dead center, was enough to warrant building an indutrial strength bracket, to hang the ADP on, so that it "floats" in front of a curtain/window.

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/6361/p1000037tv9.th.jpg (http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000037tv9.jpg)

As far as I know the 590s are the same as the 470s, except for the woofer in the middle.

Since the 590 is new, the only people I would think that would have experience with that design would be current Signature owners. My ADP are replacing a pair of Def Tech BP2 bi-poles, with which I still got a "null" effect, when mounted on the sides, facing foward and backward. I would think you are going to hear that woofer, as it is outputting straight at you? If you can, do the test setup.

IMHO, with the very limited experience I have with these, if I were to have multiple rows of seating, I would not go with the dipoles, but use multiple monopoles instead.

mystikjoe

12-14-06, 09:05 PM

just did the upgrade took out my v3 tweets and upgraded them to the v4. i have to say it was worth the 10 minutes of time invested and the 70 dollars. ordered them through my local dealer took like 2 weeks to get. the new tweets are definitley a lot more tranparent as previously stated and alot less harsh as well. i did about 1 hour of critical listening before and after the swap. i used the old ferrofluid to lube the coil. wish i would've had some more to put on. any questions on how to do the swap let me know! take care!

caesar1

12-14-06, 09:13 PM

IMHO, with the very limited experience I have with these, if I were to have multiple rows of seating, I would not go with the dipoles, but use multiple monopoles instead.

Per the advice of others, I'm optimizing for the front row. Setting up my 7.1 as if the 2nd row is not there. So the 2nd row doesn't really matter.

90% of the time, it will be just me and my wife in the front row.

So for the 10% of the time when friends or guests are over, I'm not worried about the 2nd row.

Luap

12-14-06, 09:22 PM

How much should I be paying at a dealer for studio 60's?
It is not hard to get 20% off the list price for new speakers. If you are buying an older version being cleared out, expect at least 30% off, and 35% for demos.

jkhome

12-14-06, 09:29 PM

just did the upgrade took out my v3 tweets and upgraded them to the v4.

So Paradigm charged you 70 bucks per driver? Is that their MSRP, or did you get them under cost? Did you consult Paradigm at all about this mod? If they have no problem with this upgrade, I may go for it (don't see why they would)

WebEffect

12-14-06, 10:19 PM

I have four ADP 470's in my family room. The side left sits on a pre-existing counter which is 36" high. The side right sits on a 36" sound anchor stand. The sides are roughly even with the ear of a viewer on the sofa.

The back left and right sit on 42" stands to throw their sound over the back of my large sofa.

Here is the link to the sound achor models that I used:

http://www.soundanchors.com/page51.html

Aren't those sourrounds waaay too low off the ground?

Speaking of which, does anyone know if the recommended 6' height is really necessary, because it is a real pain to figure out how to get them that high in my room...what would be the lowest height one could get away with without sacrificing the sound? :confused:

mystikjoe

12-14-06, 10:36 PM

that was per the pair of tweeters

jkhome

12-15-06, 08:30 AM

that was per the pair of tweeters

Good Deal!

HMenke

12-15-06, 09:12 AM

Does anyone know where I could purchase the special two-piece wall brackets that come with Paradigm ADP-170 surround speakers? All I have been able to find is the name and address of the manufacturer, but no place to buy them as a consumer.

L & M Metal Products, Inc.
5108 Calmview Ave.
Baldwin Park, CA 91706
Phone: 626-960-1821, 818-962-5354 (toll free)

Here's a photo of the speaker side of the bracket.

jkhome

12-15-06, 09:34 AM

Have you emailed Paradigm ?, looks like the same bracket as my ADP470v3s.

HMenke

12-15-06, 09:39 AM

Not yet. Last time I emailed them they never replied. I don't imagine they sell direct to consumers, do they? Usually they sell through dealers...

These brackets look like they'd be used in other applications, which is why I thought they might show up for sale somewhere else.

jkhome

12-15-06, 11:36 AM

Yeah, sometimes it takes up to a week for a reply :(

whoaru99

12-16-06, 09:07 AM

Hey, can anyone tell me what is the thread size of the spikes/feet that screw into the bottom of the Studio 100v2?

The ones from my Def Techs don't fit and I sort of assumed it was a common thread size amongst most brands.

TIA

Longballsd

12-16-06, 11:56 AM

HMenke

12-16-06, 11:59 AM

When I email Paradigm Technical Support at the address on their website http://www.paradigm.com/Support/TechFAQ/TechFAQ.html, it comes back undeliverable. Anybody know the double-secret real email address?

antman27

12-16-06, 04:41 PM

I have got replys from
techsup@paradigm.com

Also call me odd ball but I keep my 40s set to large
For HT I can see setting them to small but for music they sound better set to large But thats juts me

Luap

12-16-06, 04:41 PM

Originally, I had them set up as:

mains: large
center: large
rears: small
sub: both(mains & sub)

Then I read that they should be set to:

mains: small
center: small
rears: small
sub: sub(SW)

If you have a subwoofer it is best to set all the other speakers to small. That way, the sub takes the bass load off the other speakers & amp, and you can place the sub for optimal bass response more easily than your other speakers. Without having to reproduce the low bass, your amp will have more headroom and your speakers will have lower distortion. Your centre was not designed to go low, and with it set to large you were feeding it frequencies that it could not reproduce. With your setup, I would cross over to the sub at 60 or 80 Hz. I forget how low the 470 goes but the 570 can go to 60. You should buy or borrow a sound meter so you can set the level of the sub.

brich436

12-16-06, 05:33 PM

I thought I would ask this question here about how you guys set up your speakers on your receiver setup.

I have:

Paradigm Studio 60 mains
Paradigm Studio 20 rears
Paradigm CC-470 center
Energy eXL-S12 sub
Yamaha RX-V995

Originally, I had them set up as:

mains: large
center: large
rears: small
sub: both(mains & sub)

Then I read that they should be set to:

mains: small
center: small
rears: small
sub: sub(SW)

I just switched it last night and watched Return of the King and I'm not sure I could tell a big difference. Most of you have messed with this stuff enough to know which sounds best and I was just looking for your thoughts? My only real impression was that the sub was not as loud as it was in my intitial set-up. Thanks

Just my $0.02 but I have my Yamaha RXV-1600 set up as follows:

mains: Studio 20's v.4 - Large
center: CC-590 v.4 - Large
rears: Studio 20's v.4 - Large
sub: Ultracube - crossed over at 60HZ, and the bass set to output BOTH

I'm gettin nice response down to low 40HZ range in my room from the 20's and 50HZ with the center, which I've verified with a SPL. I don't listen much above 70-75db level in my room so I'm not stressing my amp in the Yamaha much, if you really push your Studio's you may want to use the small settings. As a side note my Yahmaha set the speakers all for Large when it does the YPOA auto setup (although it prefers the 40HZ crossover point).

PS Return of the King is an incredible sountrack!

antman27

12-16-06, 09:23 PM

brich436 what did you use to verify you were getting down to 40Hz ?

Warpdrv

12-16-06, 10:12 PM

Is it me or, can't you just set what crossover where you want your mains to be set, and your sub to reach up to, and your surrounds to cross as well..?

Why is this such a difficult task for all these receivers these days...

Im really just in question here, cause I haven't bought a new receiver for a while.. just getting ready to get my new system..

Or is it once you let the receiver do its sound checking, you can't alter it at all..? and still benefit from the sound correction it did on the room...

JOHNNYV.3

12-17-06, 10:06 AM

If you have a subwoofer it is best to set all the other speakers to small. That way, the sub takes the bass load off the other speakers & amp, and you can place the sub for optimal bass response more easily than your other speakers. Without having to reproduce the low bass, your amp will have more headroom and your speakers will have lower distortion. Your centre was not designed to go low, and with it set to large you were feeding it frequencies that it could not reproduce. With your setup, I would cross over to the sub at 60 or 80 Hz. I forget how low the 470 goes but the 570 can go to 60. You should buy or borrow a sound meter so you can set the level of the sub.
I thought the subwoofer in a home theater was there for L.F.E., isn't your receiver suppose to send the proper L.F.E. to the subwoofer? Why would a soundtrack be trying to send very low frequencies to rear speakers? I don't know, thats why I'm asking, It just seems strange to me.. Why do they even have a large setting, if you say not to use it?
I don't know all the specifics on crossover points, but it seems to me if you are going to set up a system as you describe, you might as well have a sub-satellite system and not waste your money on full range speakers, again I'm just trying to understand the logic, I'm not questioning your opinion. :)

antman27

12-17-06, 11:12 AM

I am struggling with my set up -I have used the AVIA DVD but have not hade good results
I set all speakers equal ,than I run the sub set up and the R&L will be close to 0 on the spl but then the center and rears are - and there is no way to change them sepertly
I may look to have a pro come in and calibrate (if the price is not through the roof) Can anyone recommend anyone that would calibrate my system in home NY Long Island ?

Gravitom

12-17-06, 03:18 PM

Do you think there would be a problem using a CC-270 center channel from the Performance series with Cinema 200s left and rights? Basically I want to wall mount the left and rights but place my center in my Salamander's center channel shelf? I know you aren't supposed to mix speakers but they are the same brand, just different lines?

JohnGZ28

12-17-06, 06:26 PM

I thought the subwoofer in a home theater was there for L.F.E., isn't your receiver suppose to send the proper L.F.E. to the subwoofer? Why would a soundtrack be trying to send very low frequencies to rear speakers? I don't know, thats why I'm asking, It just seems strange to me.. Why do they even have a large setting, if you say not to use it?
I don't know all the specifics on crossover points, but it seems to me if you are going to set up a system as you describe, you might as well have a sub-satellite system and not waste your money on full range speakers, again I'm just trying to understand the logic, I'm not questioning your opinion. :)

If you have some time there is some good info in this thread. It's specific to audyssey room correction but the first 4-5 pages are interesting as Chris from audyssey is in on the discussion.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=687600&highlight=audessy

jkhome

12-17-06, 07:17 PM

I thought the subwoofer in a home theater was there for L.F.E., isn't your receiver suppose to send the proper L.F.E. to the subwoofer?

In a digital surround system, there may or may not be full range signals being sent to any of the channels (excluding the LFE channel), depending on the material be played. One could use 5 or 7 full range speakers in a system, and then the sub would only be used for the LFE channel. Any channel that rolls off the low frequencies (determined by the bass management settings, due to not using a full range speaker for that channel) also sends the lows of that channel, to be combined with the LFE and sent to the sub.

JOHNNYV.3

12-17-06, 07:36 PM

If you have some time there is some good info in this thread. It's specific to audyssey room correction but the first 4-5 pages are interesting as Chris from audyssey is in on the discussion.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=687600&highlight=audessy
Hey John, thanx for the link, I guess it all seems to have a lot to due with the type of speakers being used, I have 100v.3's for the fronts, I have them set to large on my Rotel rsx- 1067, it just seems to me that if it makes the most sense to set them to small, I should have just gone with studio 20's, being they are just the top portion of a studio 100, I tried a pair of studio 40's set to large and they didn't sound as good as my 100's set to large. On my rotel, I can go in and set the crossover points ( I don't remember right now what they are set at) but I definitely get a fuller sound with the 100's... I don't have the best sub around so I'm sure that will make a difference as well. I think each system needs to be set up based on all the different paramiters and it's wrong for people to say setting all speakers to small is the only way to go.....Just my opinion :)

JohnGZ28

12-17-06, 08:34 PM

Hey John, thanx for the link, I guess it all seems to have a lot to due with the type of speakers being used, I have 100v.3's for the fronts, I have them set to large on my Rotel rsx- 1067, it just seems to me that if it makes the most sense to set them to small, I should have just gone with studio 20's, being they are just the top portion of a studio 100,

I'll trade you my 20s for 100s straight up. :D :D

The bottom line is what ever sounds best to you is the way to go.

oztech

12-17-06, 10:20 PM

i have both and tried the 20's up front then put the 100's back
on ht there was a little difference but on music a lot of difference
the midbass on the 100's way above the 20's even with the crossover
set at 70.

joffer

12-17-06, 10:50 PM

joffer

12-17-06, 11:03 PM

I just auditioned the new Montior 11's v5 today against the Studio 100's v3, they sounded fantastic, (but) they are deffinately 2 different animals...Night and Day? I wouldn't go so far as to say the monitor sounded crappy one bit, The Studio line is alot less efficient, so it takes way more raw power to drive the Studios.. Switching between the two requires a major volume knob change... :)
My dealer is extremely knowlegeble of the paradigm line, and only offers his other speaker choice in the store as B&W.

The Monitor series are a line that Paradigm puts out there for the average joe who doesn't buy high power/quality amps to drive them, they make them much more efficient/sensitive and I believe that its a smart move for Paradigm to make for more lower price point sales... (I also notice they have magnetic grills now, unless they did before.. I don't know - I did not like the way they lined up, was kinda sloppy in my opinion, not the precise molded rubber inset like the 100s)
I heard the 11's in a stereo layout driven by a NAD seperates setup and we switched back and forth between them and the Studio 100's, I was pleased with what both had to offer, The Studio 100's seemed to have a much more broad and cleaner range, not that the 11's didn't stand up on their own, I liked both!! Iran them through my mix cd of rock, jazz, new age, blues and even some hiphop, a good mix with alot of range, horns, strings, bass, vocals, everything I could think of for a good spread of variety.. the 11's we're enjoyable with excellent dispersion and sound field in the room. Just not as tight and exacting as the 100's.
Then he Physically moved the 11's over to the Home Theater spot (same room) and hooked it up for a movie with CC and adps driven by a Marantz 8001 and a sub. They had plenty of power at 120 wpc and sounded fantastic pulling plenty of punch in the lows and responsive and clean mids, and respectable high end.

He will be getting a pair of studio 100 .v4 in the next few weeks, and he gracefully invited me to wait and check out the side by side comparison with the Monitor 11's again against the studio 100's .v3 and v4...
Although my heart is set on the Studio Line I cannot say I wouldn't be happy with the monitor 11's at all.. at quite a drastic price savings..
The New Studio's are getting the Sinature tweets from last years model .v1, as they put in a new tweet in .v2.... so yes as they upgrade to new lines they drop the older line of parts respectivly to the next model line down.. A great idea from a manufacturing standpoint... cost savings for paradigm..

Sorry for the lengthy post, just thought Id share my viewpoint... as Im sure of some people that will be trying to decide between th monitor series and the studio series.... Hope this helps a bit.. :) BTW I am not an expert by any means, so don't beat me up here.. just one persons opinion.. :D

Warp
nice post, thx

joffer

12-17-06, 11:04 PM

hello all, i'm looking to get a pair of monitor 7s, and my local dealer said there's a new version coming out? the v5? he's not going to have any for another few weeks and i was wondering if anyone had them yet?
reading back a few pages, i see many people have the v5 already. sounds like most are pleased. that's good to know. :)

bassbone57

12-17-06, 11:25 PM

reading back a few pages, i see many people have the v5 already. sounds like most are pleased. that's good to know. :)The v.5's seem a lot more efficient. In listening to the new Titanmonitor's versus the old Titans, the new ones are much louder and really do a great job for rock music. The new Monitor v5 center channels are a big improvement. The new CC190 blows the old CC370 away. It was a great improvement for Paradigm.

-K

JOHNNYV.3

12-18-06, 02:05 PM

I'll trade you my 20s for 100s straight up. :D :D

The bottom line is what ever sounds best to you is the way to go.
I agree with that and by the way the 100's are in the mail.. ;) :cool: :D

Kerbango

12-18-06, 02:59 PM

I have 100v.3's for the fronts, I have them set to large on my Rotel rsx- 1067, it just seems to me that if it makes the most sense to set them to small, I should have just gone with studio 20's, being they are just the top portion of a studio 100. On my rotel, I can go in and set the crossover points (I don't remember right now what they are set at) but I definitely get a fuller sound with the 100's... I don't have the best sub around so I'm sure that will make a difference as well. I think each system needs to be set up based on all the different paramiters and it's wrong for people to say setting all speakers to small is the only way to go.....Just my opinion :)

The crossover is not a brick wall. I'm not sure about the Rotel but most have a 12 dB per octave slope. This means lots of low frequency information is sent to the fronts even when set to SMALL so don't feel you are waisting the 100s! The most seamless integration with a sub is usually obtained with floor standing speakers.

BTW, The crossover is usually set one octave above the -3 dB point of the speakers.

What sub are you using?

Remember, the fun part is trying all the different settings and placement to see which sounds best in your room!

Chuck

joffer

12-18-06, 03:03 PM

The v.5's seem a lot more efficient. In listening to the new Titanmonitor's versus the old Titans, the new ones are much louder and really do a great job for rock music. The new Monitor v5 center channels are a big improvement. The new CC190 blows the old CC370 away. It was a great improvement for Paradigm.

-K
thanks

i currently have a CC-270 for the center channel to go along with the monitor 7v5s. most of the literature i've read says that the CC-370 is the better companion center channel. how much of a difference do you think i'd notice between the 270 and 370?

Longballsd

12-18-06, 05:24 PM

Kerbango

12-18-06, 06:26 PM

I just switched it last night and watched Return of the King and I'm not sure I could tell a big difference. Most of you have messed with this stuff enough to know which sounds best and I was just looking for your thoughts? My only real impression was that the sub was not as loud as it was in my intitial set-up. Thanks

When you made the change did you re-calibrate the sub?

Does the RX-V995 have YPAO?

I have the RX-V2500 and YPAO always wants to set the speakers to LARGE with a 40 Hz Crossover :( . I set the speakers to SMALL Crossover to 80 Hz and SUB to SWFR manually and then run YPAO but skip SIZE :) .

You can also use the built-in tones with a Radio Shack SPL Meter. The Avia DVD is useful also.

Hope this helps!

Chuck

nelson57

12-18-06, 06:40 PM

thanks

i currently have a CC-270 for the center channel to go along with the monitor 7v5s. most of the literature i've read says that the CC-370 is the better companion center channel. how much of a difference do you think i'd notice between the 270 and 370?

Joffer I suggest you go with the new CC-190 or CC-290. I believe either would be an improvement over both the CC-270 and 370.

Kerbango

12-18-06, 06:42 PM

Thanks for the comments. Brich436 who posted before you has a completely different set-up and so I guess I am going to mess around with the settings this weekend to see what the real differences are between the different settings.

If you really want to SEE the interaction of the sub and the fronts at the crossover you can download a free program, Room EQ Wizard (REW) from:

www.hometheatershack.com/forums

You will need to become a member before you can download REW. The download is on the BFD REW forum. Be sure to read the REW Online Help File.

Chuck

joffer

12-18-06, 08:06 PM

Joffer I suggest you go with the new CC-190 or CC-290. I believe either would be an improvement over both the CC-270 and 370.
sorry, i'm a little new to paradigm and i'm not familiar with them, is that a different series? what's the price premium on a 190 or 290 above the 370? thx

wdreamsmaycome

12-18-06, 08:23 PM

Warpdrv

12-18-06, 08:45 PM

sorry, i'm a little new to paradigm and i'm not familiar with them, is that a different series? what's the price premium on a 190 or 290 above the 370? thx

CC-290 $399: 7 13/16h, 26 3/4w, 11 7/16d: 94dB
The new CC-290 uses one 4 1/2” MICP mid, two 6 1/2” CIPC woofs, and
the 1” Titanium tweet.
CC-390 $599: 8 1/2h, 39 w, 14 5/8d: 97dB
The new CC-390 uses two 4 1/2” MICP mids, four 6 1/2” CIPC woofs and the 1”
Titanium tweet.

http://www.audioemporium.com/2007catalog.pdf AWESOME CATALOG HERE

That is a place I go to, and on page 6 is pricing and pic's of new paradigms..
is kind of a nice place to shop... Owner a is great guy and Is where I will end up getting my new system..

Get the biggest CC you can... size and/or money wise

Good luck..

Warp

joffer

12-18-06, 09:00 PM

CC-290 $399: 7 13/16h, 26 3/4w, 11 7/16d: 94dB
The new CC-290 uses one 4 1/2” MICP mid, two 6 1/2” CIPC woofs, and
the 1” Titanium tweet.
CC-390 $599: 8 1/2h, 39 w, 14 5/8d: 97dB
The new CC-390 uses two 4 1/2” MICP mids, four 6 1/2” CIPC woofs and the 1”
Titanium tweet.

http://www.audioemporium.com/2007catalog.pdf

That is a place I go to, and on page 6 is pricing and pic's of new paradigms..
is kind of a nice place to shop... Owner a is great guy and Is where I will end up getting my new system..

Get the biggest CC you can... size and/or money wise

Good luck..

Warp
many thanks. will definitely check out the -290

Warpdrv

12-18-06, 09:01 PM

rockemsockem

12-18-06, 09:06 PM

Ok my turn for a question...

Which amp?
Slated purchase mid-January
All .V4 Studio's
100's main
CC-690 center
ADP-590 rear/surround
Do I get
Earthquake Cinenova Grande 5 for $2000. New 300wpc (seperate dealer then speaker sales guy)
Rotel RMB-1095 $2000. 200wpc List price, Im sure I'll get it cheaper. with speaker package.

I have read that Rotel's mate pretty well with Paradigm.. and also they are much prettier... hehhehe :)

I have also read that the Cineova has had instances of starting on fire..

I like the idea of more power ---- thoughts....

Warp

The new digms are more sensitive than the previous version, thus requiring less power than before. I would go with the Rotel and try to get a price break.

bhain333

12-18-06, 09:11 PM

Ok my turn for a question...

Which amp?
Slated purchase mid-January
All .V4 Studio's
100's main
CC-690 center
ADP-590 rear/surround
Do I get
Earthquake Cinenova Grande 5 for $2000. New 300wpc (seperate dealer then speaker sales guy)
Rotel RMB-1095 $2000. 200wpc List price, Im sure I'll get it cheaper. with speaker package.

I have read that Rotel's mate pretty well with Paradigm.. and also they are much prettier... hehhehe :)

I have also read that the Cineova has had instances of starting on fire..

I like the idea of more power ---- thoughts....

Warp

The Rotel power rating is very conservative. it is at least 220 maybe 240 a channel. They are very reliable and there costomer service it real good. My buddy bought a used one on ebay and he had a problem. When he opened it had all kind of mouse and bug poison in it. He ended up sending it to Rotel for repairs and they fixed it for free and it wasn't even still in warrenty. Well that is my $.02.

Warpdrv

12-18-06, 10:24 PM

The new digms are more sensitive than the previous version, thus requiring less power than before. I would go with the Rotel and try to get a price break.

Im sure that would be plenty of power to rock my socks off....

The Rotel power rating is very conservative. it is at least 220 maybe 240 a channel. They are very reliable and there costomer service it real good. My buddy bought a used one on ebay and he had a problem. When he opened it had all kind of mouse and bug poison in it. He ended up sending it to Rotel for repairs and they fixed it for free and it wasn't even still in warrenty. Well that is my $.02.

Not really too keen on the idea of worrying about my house starting on fire..
I was really hoping to get something in the 250wpc area, so maybe this is just what I need. Im going to see what happens with the dealer, I would think I could swing quite a package deal, and start a good relationship with them...

Im going to pair it up with a Yamaha 2600 or something like it I can get for really cheap, until they announce the new preamp/processors at CES :eek: :rolleyes:

Appreciate your thoughts...

Thanks alot guys... :p

Warp

Kerbango

12-18-06, 10:59 PM

I have some monitor 11v3 (or v4, I'm not 100% sure right now, bought them last year) and I'm trying to get a matching center channel: I was all set on the cc-370 but all the local folks seem to stock only the 290-390s now and I'm really wondering if the 'new' monitor line center will integrate well with my 'old' monitor 11s, any idea?

Also the local dealer told me that the sub for the monitor series is now the pdr-10, which seems strange as the pw-2200 is a lot better, and what I wanted to get, any ideas?

I have Monitor 11 v.4s with the CC-370 v.4. I would be very interested in how the CC-390 blends with the v.4s also since the CC-370 really doesn't blend with the 11s that well. Hmmmm... I wonder if my dealer will let me take one home for an audition?

As for a PDR-10 with Monitor 11s? No way! The three 6 1/2" bass drivers in the 11s are roughly equivalent to a 12" woofer. The Monitor 11s -3 dB point is 35 Hz while the PDR-10 is 27 Hz. Why would they recommend a sub which only plays 8 Hz lower than the Monitor 11s?

The PW-2100 may work depending on your room but I would probably stay with a 12". I auditioned a PW-2100 and found it tight, not boomy. Have you considered HSU or SVS? I went with the HSU VTF-3 Mk2 and it integrates seamlessly with the Monitor 11s.

How big is your room? How many cubic feet, open spaces, etc?

Chuck

Kerbango

12-18-06, 11:13 PM

http://www.audioemporium.com/2007catalog.pdf

That is a place I go to, and on page 6 is pricing and pic's of new paradigms..
is kind of a nice place to shop... Owner a is great guy and Is where I will end up getting my new system..

Warp

I don't see the PW Series subs listed in the catalog above. Has Paradigm discontinued the PW Series?

Warpdrv

12-18-06, 11:34 PM

It may well still be avail.. He might just not put everything out there in his catalog..

But I do think he makes it a nice looking, with great descriptions on the products he has to offer...

Scary to look at some of the stuff there.. $$$$$ :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Warp

bassbone57

12-19-06, 12:39 AM

thanks

i currently have a CC-270 for the center channel to go along with the monitor 7v5s. most of the literature i've read says that the CC-370 is the better companion center channel. how much of a difference do you think i'd notice between the 270 and 370?You would notice a difference between the 370 and the 270 because the 370 is in the Monitor series, and the 270 is in the Performance series, so the 370 is a better match.

However, since you would have the Monitor7 v5s, you would want to do the CC290 or CC390 (if you have the room for the 390). The x90 center channels are the new v5 center channels, the x70 center channels are v3 and v4. Even the new CC190 sounds much better than the CC370. So go with the CC290, or the CC390 if you have the room. The CC390 is pretty much your Monitor 7 laid on its side, it's big.

-K

wdreamsmaycome

12-19-06, 01:03 AM

I don't see the PW Series subs listed in the catalog above. Has Paradigm discontinued the PW Series?

I am worried about this as well, I wanted to get a pw-2200 for Christmas but I called my local retailer and they said that paradigm now recommends the PS for the monitor line instead (!) and that the PW is not available anymore.

Now, I don't know if they said that because they had PS's in stock, but it sure sounds bad, as the PW was head and shoulders above the PS. I'll try calling a few more stores tomorrow to see what it's like.

Thanks for the feedback on the x90 centers, I hope they'll match well with my monitor 11 v4 as I can't seem to find a store with x70 centers in stock either.

jkhome

12-19-06, 07:17 AM

Ok my turn for a question...

Which amp?

Warp

Here's some ideas.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=478237&highlight=amp+for+Paradigms

caesar1

12-19-06, 09:47 AM

nelson57

12-19-06, 09:54 AM

[QUOTE=Kerbango]I have Monitor 11 v.4s with the CC-370 v.4. I would be very interested in how the CC-390 blends with the v.4s also since the CC-370 really doesn't blend with the 11s that well. Hmmmm... I wonder if my dealer will let me take one home for an audition?

Kerbango, I have the Monitor 11's v.4 up front paired with the CC-290 in the Center, and the front stage not only blends seamlessly, but is a bit more expansive. You should have no problems with CC-390. I wish I had room for it.

I have 4 ADP-390's for my surrounds and they sound great as well. I happen to love the Monitor 11 v.4 and have no desire to change these.

nelson57

12-19-06, 10:02 AM

Hmmmmm. So how is it possible that this (the new ADP-590) with an additional DRIVER, weighs only 17.5 lbs each:

http://www.xfaudio.it/prodotti/b2f1ab78bb0631da9aa80bee3582eba5.jpg

But this, the older ADP-470, weighs MORE -- 26 lbs each (but lacking the woofer):

http://www.paradigm.com/Website/SiteReferenceProduct/RModels/StudioSeries/StudioSeriesNew/ImageGallery/GalleryImages/StudioADP470ng.jpg

caesar1, having changed from the ADP-370 surrounds to the ADP-390 surrounds which were also lighter, the only answer I can suggest is that the materials used to build the speakers has changed, so even with the additional driver, the lighter material ( and I don't know what the material is) decreases the weight.

The ADP-590's look like they have been built with this same new material as the 390's. They also changed the bracket for wall hanging on the 390's which I found much easier than the ones for the 370's.

perky2

12-19-06, 04:22 PM

does anybody know a release date for the signatues or where to locate a brochure? thanks

JOHNNYV.3

12-19-06, 06:00 PM

JOHNNYV.3

12-19-06, 06:04 PM

My question is: Is the cc390 really wider than the cc690? I am planning on getting the 690 and hadn't really looked at the 390 until today, man that thing must be huge! :p

caesar1

12-19-06, 06:54 PM

My question is: Is the cc390 really wider than the cc690? I am planning on getting the 690 and hadn't really looked at the 390 until today, man that thing must be huge! :p

Yes it is:

cc 390: height, width and depth in inches = 8.5; 39, 14 5/8

cc 690: height (including outrigger feet), width and depth in inches = 9.5, 36, 15.5

http://www.xfaudio.it/pdf/Monitor_v5_PDS.pdf

http://www.xfaudio.it/pdf/Studio_v4_PDS.pdf

polonez

12-20-06, 10:59 AM

I have a question about the new ADP590 speakers. Are the bi-wire ready?Couldn't find any
info on this.

mmurach

12-20-06, 12:47 PM

sorry, i'm a little new to paradigm and i'm not familiar with them, is that a different series? what's the price premium on a 190 or 290 above the 370? thx
Just purchased Studio 20 v4. For around the same price there's a a used Studio cc and the new monitor CC-290. Which would be the better to go with?

mmurach

12-20-06, 12:56 PM

Joffer I suggest you go with the new CC-190 or CC-290. I believe either would be an improvement over both the CC-270 and 370.
I just purched Studio 20 v4's. There a used Studio cc and the new Monitor CC-290 for the same price. Which is the best to go with?

bhain333

12-20-06, 01:13 PM

I have a question about the new ADP590 speakers. Are the bi-wire ready?Couldn't find any
info on this.

No they are not Bi-wireable.

s2silber

12-20-06, 02:15 PM

Just purchased Studio 20 v4. For around the same price there's a a used Studio cc and the new monitor CC-290. Which would be the better to go with?
Which Studio CC?

polonez

12-20-06, 02:41 PM

Thanks , it saves me some money .I was going to order two sets from blue jeans cables
today.

dobyblue

12-20-06, 03:01 PM

sincere

12-20-06, 03:29 PM

I was thinking of upgrading from my current Studio 60 V2's and going with 100's V4's. I have the V2 CC center. Would that be a problem?

mmurach

12-20-06, 03:35 PM

It's the version 2 Studio cc.

3mar67

12-20-06, 04:20 PM

Warpdrv

12-20-06, 05:10 PM

Hi, just discovered this Paradigm owners thread...hope to get some opinions...

Which Paradigm Rears?
I'm trying to decide what rears to get.

Main: Paradigm Mini Monitors
Center: Paradigm CC170
SUB: Paradigm PDR8 (to be upgraded)
Rears:???

Can I use Atoms as rears? I read that the ADP speakers don't handle 5.1 music very well. I was considering the ADP 170's since they've been discontinued and are cheap right now.

Thanks

Was just about to ask a question about rears...
I was all set to get the New version Studio's all around, 100's, 690-CC and ADP-590's for rear, but I was at a dealer today, to listen to some different speaks, Vandersteen's.. anyways.. He told me that Di-pole speakers are not the norm for rear HT speaks anymore.. (maybe because they don't have them with their brand of speakers) and that more directional speakers are better now as Dolby DTS was handled better with scatttering sound from Di-pole speaks... but not anymore?
Can anyone give some insite on this, (I already read all the info about rear surround speaks at Paradigm's site) and they seem to suggest the ADP's are the bomb for rear or side firing surround.

I really have no intentions of using the rear speakers for 2 channel stereo listening... just the 100's..

This site seems to suggest Di-pole.. for all suround purposes http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Surround_sound

Help... :confused: :confused: :confused:

Thanks for your insite...

Warp

rx-8

12-20-06, 05:36 PM

JOHNNYV.3

12-20-06, 06:24 PM

Was just about to ask a question about rears...
I was all set to get the New version Studio's all around, 100's, 690-CC and ADP-590's for rear, but I was at a dealer today, to listen to some different speaks, Vandersteen's.. anyways.. He told me that Di-pole speakers are not the norm for rear HT speaks anymore.. (maybe because they don't have them with their brand of speakers) and that more directional speakers are better now as Dolby DTS was handled better with scatttering sound from Di-pole speaks... but not anymore?
Can anyone give some insite on this, (I already read all the info about rear surround speaks at Paradigm's site) and they seem to suggest the ADP's are the bomb for rear or side firing surround.

I really have no intentions of using the rear speakers for 2 channel stereo listening... just the 100's..

This site seems to suggest Di-pole.. for all suround purposes http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Surround_sound

Help... :confused: :confused: :confused:

Thanks for your insite...

Warp
I am fairly new to the paradigm site and have been trying to decide the same thing, I have 100v.3's for my fronts and have studio 40's which I was planning on using as sides with 20's (yet to be purchased)as rears, but you are right, everyone on this site will tell you to go with di-poles for sides and rears, people here seem to be geared more towards theater than multi-channel music though, at least it seems that way? My dealer said if you can set up di-poles just right than they can be effective, but it seems to me that dealers are going to push you towards what they want to sell you and what they have to offer.
I also have a 2 channel music system which I use klipsch speakers for and if you go to the klipsch forum and check out the theaters the klipsch guys build, they almost all use direct radiating speakers, part of this is because they don't have a di-pole speaker that matches the heritage system. Just something to ponder (and I know I'll hear it for this :) ) Have you ever seen a dipole speaker in a real theater? I'm sure it all has to do with acoustics and room size? :D :D

Kerbango

12-20-06, 07:12 PM

caesar1

12-20-06, 07:19 PM

I think that the vast majority of people here will go with the di-pole speakers for sides and rears.

dipoles are for side surrounds. Directs for rears.

hifisponge

12-20-06, 07:49 PM

I am fairly new to the paradigm site and have been trying to decide the same thing, I have 100v.3's for my fronts and have studio 40's which I was planning on using as sides with 20's (yet to be purchased)as rears, but you are right, everyone on this site will tell you to go with di-poles for sides and rears, people here seem to be geared more towards theater than multi-channel music though, at least it seems that way? My dealer said if you can set up di-poles just right than they can be effective, but it seems to me that dealers are going to push you towards what they want to sell you and what they have to offer.
I also have a 2 channel music system which I use klipsch speakers for and if you go to the klipsch forum and check out the theaters the klipsch guys build, they almost all use direct radiating speakers, part of this is because they don't have a di-pole speaker that matches the heritage system. Just something to ponder (and I know I'll hear it for this :) )

There is no right or wrong answer to whether you should go with dipoles or direct radiating speakers for surround duty, but here is my take on it.

Think of each dipole speaker as having a sphere of sound emanating from it. Dipoles spread the sound around by reflecting the sound off of the walls. This gives the rear surround field a more expansive and less localizable sound. If there is is something like rain or background music in the surround mix, with dipoles it will sound like it is coming from all around you. However if there is a more discrete sound effect being played through a dipole (like a gun shot or someones voice) it will still sound a bit more diffuse and larger than life than with a direct radiator.

Now think of direct radiating speakers as having a beam or a cone of sound emanating from them. If you can place them far enough behind the listening position and you sit in the sweet spot (right in the middle of all five or seven speakers) you can get a great sense of envelopment. However, it really depends on you getting enough distance from them in order to create a stereo sound field in the rear. I would say the minimum distance should be around 4-5 feet, but preferably 7-8 feet. If you sit too close to direct radiating rears, the rear sound filed will tend to collapse to the position of each speaker.

Because I have limited room behind my seating area, and I like the large diffuse sound of dipoles, I use them for both movies and music with great results.

Have you ever seen a dipole speaker in a real theater? I'm sure it all has to do with acoustics and room size?

You're right, you won't find dipole speakers in any theater, however dipoles were created specifically to emulate the sound of the vast arrays of surround speakers in a theater. You'll typically see a good 12-15 side and rear speakers in a theater and using a dipole that reflects the sound off of the walls is going to get you closer to that experience that two direct radiators. This argument loses some merit when talking about a a 7.1 channel system. Those extra two speakers really help fill in the gaps in the rear sound field.

JOHNNYV.3

12-20-06, 08:19 PM

There is no right or wrong answer to whether you should go with dipoles or direct radiating speakers for surround duty, but here is my take on it.

Think of each dipole speaker as having a sphere of sound emanating from it. Dipoles spread the sound around by reflecting the sound off of the walls. This gives the rear surround field a more expansive and less localizable sound. If there is is something like rain or background music in the surround mix, with dipoles it will sound like it is coming from all around you. However if there is a more discrete sound effect being played through a dipole (like a gun shot or someones voice) it will still sound a bit more diffuse and larger than life than with a direct radiator.

Now think of direct radiating speakers as having a beam or a cone of sound emanating from them. If you can place them far enough behind the listening position and you sit in the sweet spot (right in the middle of all five or seven speakers) you can get a great sense of envelopment. However, it really depends on you getting enough distance from them in order to create a stereo sound field in the rear. I would say the minimum distance should be around 4-5 feet, but preferably 7-8 feet. If you sit too close to direct radiating rears, the rear sound filed will tend to collapse to the position of each speaker.

Because I have limited room behind my seating area, and I like the large diffuse sound of dipoles, I use them for both movies and music with great results.

You're right, you won't find dipole speakers in any theater, however dipoles were created specifically to emulate the sound of the vast arrays of surround speakers in a theater. You'll typically see a good 12-15 side and rear speakers in a theater and using a dipole that reflects the sound off of the walls is going to get you closer to that experience that two direct radiators. This argument loses some merit when talking about a a 7.1 channel system. Those extra two speakers really help fill in the gaps in the rear sound field.
Thanx for the great input and descriptions, I have never heard the sound from dipoles described as surrounding you, that sounds a little nicer than sound being deflected around the room, like being in the twilight zone or something!
Now I'm even more confused on what to do :confused: .
By the way, you guys must have some big theaters in Wa, I think I counted maybe 4 or 6 side surrounds last time I was at a theater, I'll have to look closer next time :)

antman27

12-20-06, 08:40 PM

hifisponge

12-20-06, 09:17 PM

Thanx for the great input and descriptions, I have never heard the sound from dipoles described as surrounding you, that sounds a little nicer than sound being deflected around the room, like being in the twilight zone or something!
Now I'm even more confused on what to do :confused: .
By the way, you guys must have some big theaters in Wa, I think I counted maybe 4 or 6 side surrounds last time I was at a theater, I'll have to look closer next time :)

Yeah, most of the theaters around here have four speakers on the right, four in back and four on the left.

I would also like to add that if you are going with a 5.1 system vs 7.1, I would lean even more heavily towards dipoles.

bassbone57

12-20-06, 09:23 PM

I think you hit the nail on the head - di-poles for HT and direct for music.

Why can't we get the best of both worlds and have a hybrid di-pole/direct speaker which is good for both HT and music? Just a thought... Does anyone know of such a speaker?

ChuckSomebody did make one where it was a direct radiator, but with a flip of a switch it would activate a set of drivers on the sides to make it a dipole. Sadly I don't remember who it was though. I want to say B&W for some reason, but I don't think that is right.

-K

hifisponge

12-20-06, 09:27 PM

hifisponge great post
I know my rears are to high and it is hard since my sofa is against the back wall but what are your thoughts on my rears -would ADPs work in my room on the back wall
There is nothing for the sound to reflect on the right its open into the diningroom

Antman -

I think you have reached close to the best compromise for your room, though as you mentioned you could move the speakers down a foot or two. As you pointed out, because you have no wall on the right, dipoles wouldn't work too well back there. You would end up with a surround field that would lean to the left, as all the reflected sound would be coming from just that one side.

I have a similar set-up, but I have my couch about 3 feet from the back wall and there are sidewalls on both sides. I'm technically breaking the rules by having my dipoles on the rear wall, but like you I had to strike a compromise because I've got windows and doors on the side walls so I can't place speakers there. Ah, if I could only buy a new home and design the movie room from scratch. . . . someday . . .

Cheers,

- Tim

hifisponge

12-20-06, 09:33 PM

I think you hit the nail on the head - di-poles for HT and direct for music.

Why can't we get the best of both worlds and have a hybrid di-pole/direct speaker which is good for both HT and music? Just a thought... Does anyone know of such a speaker?

Chuck

Oh yeah, I forgot to respond to this earlier. Actually, M&K Sound makes a "Tripole" speaker that has drivers that fire forward AND to the sides at the same time. I know because I used to have an all M&K set-up before upgrading to the Paradigm Signature line. In all honesty, I liked the sound field produced by the M&K Tripole better than the ADPs, but then as I described earlier, I have to put the ADPs on the back wall, which isn't optimal for a dipole speaker. I'm sure that if I could place them to the sides they would sound much better.

dobyblue

12-20-06, 09:35 PM

Can anyone give me some feedback on the Monitor 11 v5?
I have 11v4 for mains and CC370v4 for centre. I'm buying a new Servo 15 v2 on Saturday and want to get surrounds as well.
My options.
new Monitor 7v4 - CDN$629 black ash
floor Monitor 11v4 - CDN$840 rosewood
new Monitor 11v5 - CDN$835 black ash (Xmas special with the Servo)

I'm leaning towards the new 11s, but haven't heard any reviews yet.
I'm getting a new Servo 15 v2 for CDN$1750 which is an awesome price.
Anyone give me any input on this? :)
I listen to a lot of SACD and DVD-A music, so I'm already decided on direct radiating speakers instead of dipoles.
If I get the Monitor 11v5 then I'll move the M11v4s to the rears. If I get the M11v4 used or M7v4 then those will be the rears obviously.
Anyone listen to the M11v5s yet?

tokerblue

12-20-06, 09:44 PM

I went to my local Paradigm dealer today and listened to the new Monitor V.5 lineup. I have to say that I was very impressed with what I heard.

I currently own two Paradigm setups, 100's and 40's in one room and a 60's and 40's in another room. I was in the market for a nice Christmas gift for my brother and ended up getting a Titan Monitor V.5 for him. Not as good as the Studio lineup, but very impressive for the price. I couldn't find much information on the specs, but what would a better matching center be between then CC-190 and the CC-290?

Going to pickup up a clearance new CC-570 for my 100 setup for $600 tomorrow!!!

Warpdrv

12-20-06, 09:56 PM

j2lawson

12-20-06, 10:24 PM

Anyone give me any input on this? :)
I listen to a lot of SACD and DVD-A music, so I'm already decided on direct radiating speakers instead of dipoles.
If I get the Monitor 11v5 then I'll move the M11v4s to the rears. If I get the M11v4 used or M7v4 then those will be the rears obviously.
Anyone listen to the M11v5s yet?

I wish I had auditioned the Monitor 11 v5s, but there were none at the dealer where I purchased my Monitor 9 v5s.

Until hearing the v5s I wasn't too keen on the floor standers in the monitor series, since the Monitor 7 v4s my dealer had were very muddy in the mids, being smothered by the boomy base.

Listening to the v5s was like coming up from under water, in my opinion it's no comparison, the v4s don't compete, at least not the ones in the middle of the line.

The difference is likely less drastic for the Monitor 11s as from all accounts they were already outstanding speakers, far better then the Monitor 7s, but I would imagine there would still be a significant improvement.

When doing the comparisons I did my best to keep the SPL close to the same when switching speakers since the v5s are a good bit more efficient.

My opinion of the Monitor 7 v4s is get the Monitor 5s instead, I thought they sounded much cleaner then the Monitor 7s, but as always with speakers your ears may be different.

JohnGZ28

12-20-06, 11:14 PM

Hawk_Eye

12-21-06, 12:34 AM

They are smaller and made out of what seems to be some form of plastic, I hate to say it but they almost seem cheap? more like a large cinema.. My dealer is not impressed.....

I like ADP470. ADP570's cabinet looked little too skimp. ADP470 is built like tank and look more "respectful" speaker. I don't know if this is true, but 470's Mid range driver seems to be bigger and may have heavier magnet than 570. Can anyone confirm this?

bassbone57

12-21-06, 01:31 AM

Oh yeah, I forgot to respond to this earlier. Actually, M&K Sound makes a "Tripole" speaker that has drivers that fire forward AND to the sides at the same time. I know because I used to have an all M&K set-up before upgrading to the Paradigm Signature line. In all honesty, I liked the sound field produced by the M&K Tripole better than the ADPs, but then as I described earlier, I have to put the ADPs on the back wall, which isn't optimal for a dipole speaker. I'm sure that if I could place them to the sides they would sound much better.M&K not B&W! :o I was on the right track, I just had my letters wrong. :rolleyes:

-K

JOHNNYV.3

12-21-06, 08:21 AM

I like ADP470. ADP570's cabinet looked little too skimp. ADP470 is built like tank and look more "respectful" speaker. I don't know if this is true, but 470's Mid range driver seems to be bigger and may have heavier magnet than 570. Can anyone confirm this?
I think you are talking about the 590's, there are no 570's, but you are right in one respect, the 470's use 2- 7" drivers, the 590's use 4 1/2" mids, but they also have a 7" woofer......

JOHNNYV.3

12-21-06, 08:23 AM

Oh yeah, I forgot to respond to this earlier. Actually, M&K Sound makes a "Tripole" speaker that has drivers that fire forward AND to the sides at the same time. I know because I used to have an all M&K set-up before upgrading to the Paradigm Signature line. In all honesty, I liked the sound field produced by the M&K Tripole better than the ADPs, but then as I described earlier, I have to put the ADPs on the back wall, which isn't optimal for a dipole speaker. I'm sure that if I could place them to the sides they would sound much better.
The adp 590's have a front firing woofer........ :)

dobyblue

12-21-06, 10:17 AM

Warpdrv

12-21-06, 10:33 AM

Warp - my wallet is not PHAT! :) I just want to get the rears and sub on the same level of audio as my fronts and center. Saving for the Sony 60" XBR2 is next on the list.
j2lawson - thanks for the input. I auditioned the 7v4 and the 11v4 and knew that it was an easy decision, the 11s all the way. Much more controlled bass I though and just overall a more controlled and full sound. I'm going to get the 11v5 and move the 11v4 to the rears. I think multi-channel music along with the Servo 15v2 will sound stunningly brilliant.
I can't wait for Saturday. I'll pop in after Christmas and let everyone know how it goes.

Sounds like that will be a PHAT setup you'll have there... Plenty of full sound coming from 4 Monitor 11's What will you be using for a Center channel if your still going to be doing some movie watching...?

I was really impressed with the new .v5 Monitor 11's they sounded great in a full surround with the new CC390...

After I passed on the little dig of how the new Mid on the monitor series looked like a condom, he laughed his ass off, and told me he can't look at them anymore without thinking about that... hheheheh :D

3mar67

12-21-06, 12:28 PM

Would it be OK to have a pair of v.4 Mini Monitors with a v.3 (cc170) center channel?

wdreamsmaycome

12-21-06, 02:45 PM

I was set on getting the cc-370, but now that there are the 290 and 390 I am suddendly very unsure about what to get, also because one chain here has the 290, and the other the 390, so I can't do an a/b test (the stores are about an hour away from each other!).

Has anybody here done this a/b between 290/390? What did you end up getting? My mains are monitor 11 v4s so I was leaning towards the 390, but the 290 would fit a lot better in the space I have available (the 390 is huge)

Warpdrv

12-21-06, 05:44 PM

Always go bigger.... then you won't regret what you bought...
Im sure you'll be getting more bass presence with the larger of the two...

dobyblue

12-21-06, 06:00 PM

Let me tell you that the CC370 is an excellent centre channel and I have found dialogue to be crisp and clear and never muddy with it.
Were I to buy one today I'd most definitely try to get the new CC390 though.
The CC290 will be an excellent choice as well though, as would a CC370 between two M11v4s which is what I've been using for the last year.
CC370 extends down to 52Hz so you're not missing much when you have your xovr set to 80Hz.

wdreamsmaycome

12-21-06, 06:26 PM

sorry if it wasn't clear in my post, but the 370 is not available anymore anywhere around here, it's really between the 290 and the (gigantic) 390... also given how my ht is set up this will have to stay on top of the tv (SD 34" CRT, still waiting for 1080p panels to come down in price), I am positive the 290 would not be a big deal, but I wonder if the 60lb of the 390 wouldn't be a bit much (although the tv itself is no featherweight, over 200lb for sure)

JOHNNYV.3

12-21-06, 06:51 PM

If your dealer will let you, bring home both and try them out.

One thing to consider is how much "information" is coming from the sides and rears in movies and what level of fidelity you want for this information. It may or may not be different from what you want for multi channel music. I'm slightly more interested in music fidelity than movie surround fidelity so I went with the 20s.

On a side note I have Klipsh Forte IIs in my two channel system. I'm looking for some in-expensive separates to drive them. Something along the lines of the Anthem TLP1 and PVA2.
I haven't started building my theater yet, so I can't try dipoles at this time, right now I have all my stuff set up in my living room, not using my 40's as I don't have room, I'm using cinema 90's for rears....
When I was in highschool back in the mid-80's my friends parents had forte's and when I heard them I was hooked on klipsch, bought a pair of kg 4's and then in 89 moved up to the chorus model which I still use today for 2 channel... I am using the Rotel rc-1070 and rb-1070, the sound is excellent and I think the price would be a bit cheaper than the Anthem. I know Anthem is good stuff, but I would definately check out Rotel as well! :) :)