yes its enough according to the specs on their website and if
you can afford the sigs why not.

yes its enough according to the specs on their website and if
you can afford the sigs why not.


What about the cc-590 vs. the C3. The v4 ADP 590 and the sig ADP seem similiar now since v4. Are there any major differences?

the sig line has different components than the studio line i would go
with one are the other i chose studio for budget reasons since i replaced
almost everything last year except sub and now considering the servo-15
soon i hope.

Hi David,

I have been considering the Sig 6 or Sig 8 purchase. Are you aware that a version 2 will be available? No one seems to know when they will be released, but you may want to discuss with your dealer. As has been mentioned, Paradigm needs to update their web site. Unreal.

I have auditioned the Studio 100's v4 several times and think they are great speakers for the money, however, the Sig's would be my preference.

Having owned the AVM 50, do you have any regrets that you didn't purchase the D2? I am looking at the AVM 50 as well.

Mike

Hi David,

I have been considering the Sig 6 or Sig 8 purchase. Are you aware that a version 2 will be available? No one seems to know when they will be released, but you may want to discuss with your dealer. As has been mentioned, Paradigm needs to update their web site. Unreal.

I have auditioned to the Studio 100's v4 several times and think they are great speakers for the money, however, the Sig's would be my preference.

Having owned the AVM 50, do you have any regrets that you didn't purchase the D2? I am looking at the AVM 50 as well.

Mike

Mike thanks and I am aware of the V.2 sigs. According to my dealer, that is what paradigm told him they would ship for me if I ordered. I probably will go with them - I think that will be my speaker purchase for the next 10+ years.

As far as the AVM50 vs. the D2...good question, but my answer is AVM50 all the way. You get the same video processor and I have been extrememly happy with the audio solution on the AVM-50. I'd bet you 99% of listeners out there couldn't pass a double blind using either controller with the same amp. I had a Lexicon MC-4 before and I believe sonically they are equals. But at the end of the day, my ears are not that good to really tell the difference anyhow.

I spent 3 days auditioning speakers this week. My wife and I listened to a wide range of speakers. Paradigm 60 and 100(V.4), Paradigm Signature 8, Energy, Energy Veritas, B&W 804, MartinLogan Montage, Vista and Vantage, JM Lab 1037, Klipsch, Polk, and I've probably forgotten a few! We heard some speakers that did some things well - but the only speaker that seemed to have a balance throughout the range were the S8s. We listened to the S8s and the 100 v.4s on a Denon receiver and the S8s were magnificent. They sounded better than the JM 1037s we heard that were running on a Mac c2200 and two MC501s. When we heard the beginning of the movie Diva - I got goosebumps. Needless to say we pick up the S8s a C3 and a Sunfire true Sub EQ next Saturday. The are replacing JMLab Chorus 707S in our Great Room. I run a NAD T763 with an Adcom 555 for the L/R. The S8 is a great speaker for any price.

I spent 3 days auditioning speakers this week. My wife and I listened to a wide range of speakers. Paradigm 60 and 100(V.4), Paradigm Signature 8, Energy, Energy Veritas, B&W 804, MartinLogan Montage, Vista and Vantage, JM Lab 1037, Klipsch, Polk, and I've probably forgotten a few! We heard some speakers that did some things well - but the only speaker that seemed to have a balance throughout the range were the S8s. We listened to the S8s and the 100 v.4s on a Denon receiver and the S8s were magnificent. They sounded better than the JM 1037s we heard that were running on a Mac c2200 and two MC501s. When we heard the beginning of the movie Diva - I got goosebumps. Needless to say we pick up the S8s a C3 and a Sunfire true Sub EQ next Saturday. The are replacing JMLab Chorus 707S in our Great Room. I run a NAD T763 with an Adcom 555 for the L/R. The S8 is a great speaker for any price.

What Energy Veritas dd you listen to and did you think of them?

I am sure this has been beaten to death on this thread, but I'll pose the question anyway. Currently, my gear consists of the following:

Anthem AVM-50
Anthem MCA-20
Anthem MCA-50

Anyhow, do I do the Sig 8's and Sig center with ADP's or do I go with the Studio line. I heard them side-by-side in a store in another city and I can honestly tell you I felt the 100's were better than the s8's when driven by a lower power amp. - like a middle of the road AV receiver. But when you put more power behind it - like a higher end receiver or separate amp - the sig's then easily outperformed the 100's. At the end of the day, I cannot bring these home to
demo in my house - my dealer only stocks the monitor series.Since you can't bring the speaker home, how about doing the opposite? Bring your Anthem AVM-50 pre-pro and MCA-20 amp there and try them out with both speakers.

Personally I wouldn't see a problem with running S8's with an MCA-20. I run my S8's with a similar quality/power amp (Mondial Designs Acurus A200x3) and never found them lacking. More power the better though (hoping to replace it next year with an Anthem Statement P5 & D1 combo).

kal

David, That is an interesting response from your dealer. Once ordered, did he mention how long before delivery?

Mike

Since you can't bring the speaker home, how about doing the opposite? Bring your Anthem AVM-50 pre-pro and MCA-20 amp there and try them out with both speakers.

Personally I wouldn't see a problem with running S8's with an MCA-20. I run my S8's with a similar quality/power amp (Mondial Designs Acurus A200x3) and never found them lacking. More power the better though (hoping to replace it next year with an Anthem Statement P5 & D1 combo).

kal


Because he doesn't stock any of these, he only stocks the monitors...it'd be a special order.

David, That is an interesting response from your dealer. Once ordered, did he mention how long before delivery?

Mike

A week or two I think.

Don't remember the model - floorsstander with a retail of around $3500 or so. Totally unimpressed - very flat sounding, no punch with dynamics of music, very blah. Liked the Studio 60 V.4 better - heard them with the same set-up.

By the way, for anyone who is interested, on the Studio 60s the upper terminals drive just the tweater, and the lower terminals drive the other speakers when you are biamping.

Is it possible to rewire so the upper terminal drives the tweeter and mid/bass and the lower drives the bass only? This would seem to give a more efficient use of power if you bi-amped the speaker.

Is it possible to rewire so the upper terminal drives the tweeter and mid/bass and the lower drives the bass only? This would seem to give a more efficient use of power if you bi-amped the speaker.It depends on the configuration of the crossover network, of course, but it would require opening up the box and rewiring the crossover connections, at the very least.

Does anybody have setup with all the same speaker? I was looking at purchasing 7 or 8 studio 20v3 or 4's for my anthem d2 pva 7 combo. Does anyone have a similar setup and would it sound better than having different sized speakers? Thanks Rob

call it a pet peeve but when on earth is paradigm planning on updating their website with the new Reference Studio V4 information?

How ridiculous is it that they've been selling these speakers for how long now, and haven't even updated their website with new pictures and information on the latest version?

That really irks me and I don't know why.

Does anybody have setup with all the same speaker? I was looking at purchasing 7 or 8 studio 20v3 or 4's for my anthem d2 pva 7 combo. Does anyone have a similar setup and would it sound better than having different sized speakers? Thanks Rob

A friend of mine has 5 Studio 20's v3 in his theater and it sounds awesome. He spent allot of time on getting the placement and treatments just right. To my ears, the sound field is seamless.

I am thinking of selling my Studio 80's v2 and getting 40's v2. Will this be a downgrade, sideways grade or an upgrade? I am waiting on a cc 570 to be delivered and have the Studio APD v2 as well as a HSU sub. Thanks....btw, this is just for HT.

My room is about 2000 ft/3 (21/7.5/13). I have a Denon 2807, running Monitor 3s for the fronts, a CC370 center and ADP 70 x 4 for surrounds. I have two ML Dynamo subs and Buttkickers I considering two upgrades - a separate power amp and upgraded speakers. My use is probably 80/20 HT/Music. Three questions:

1. In a room that size, what Paradigm speakers would be a good fit?

2. Has anyone used an Emotiva amp (any of them) with Paradigm speakers and how did they like it?

3. The Denon is rated for 105 wpc. Is it a dumb thing to buy an amp with the speakers I have now, versus getting different speakers first? So far my reasoning is that I'd rather be over-powered than under-powered resulting in a thn, crappy sound.

Thanks for all your thoughts and recommendations.

I am thinking of selling my Studio 80's v2 and getting 40's v2. Will this be a downgrade, sideways grade or an upgrade? I am waiting on a cc 570 to be delivered and have the Studio APD v2 as well as a HSU sub. Thanks....btw, this is just for HT.

What improvements are you looking for? Knowing this will help people to answer your question.

i'm trying to make the transistion from 5.1 to 7.1. i currently have cinema 90s for my surrounds which i hoped to keep as the side surrounds. i was wondering if another set of the same would be good for surround backs or if a pair of dipoles (like the ADP-190) would be better. what's the advantage of a dipole? also, the rear surrounds are going to be almost 9 ft off the ground, do they need to be angle down? thanks

I am thinking of selling my Studio 80's v2 and getting 40's v2. Will this be a downgrade, sideways grade or an upgrade? I am waiting on a cc 570 to be delivered and have the Studio APD v2 as well as a HSU sub. Thanks....btw, this is just for HT.

In the past I did this change,,(80's to 40's).. Ever since doing this, I regretted it...

The 80 have a much larger soundstage, and full sound.. Nicer mids aswell.. Now if you change the tweeter to the new v.4, the sound will really shine...

Just a thought.. :)

what's the advantage of a dipole?

Dipole surrounds are supposed to be mounted to the sides of the listeners, not behind them. Because a significant portion of their sound is reflected off surfaces before it arrives at the listener, you get a sense of being surrounded by a field of ambient sound coming from the surround channels, instead of an awareness of localized sounds coming from the speakers. Movies are meant to be played back that way. However, dipole surrounds are not ideal for music--for multi-channel SACD's and DVD-A's, dipole surrounds are a detriment. For multi-channel music, the AES standard is to use direct-radiating surrounds that are placed about 30 degrees behind the listening position, and to have all 5 speakers (not including any sub that you might be using) equidistant from the "sweet spot."

call it a pet peeve but when on earth is paradigm planning on updating their website with the new Reference Studio V4 information?

How ridiculous is it that they've been selling these speakers for how long now, and haven't even updated their website with new pictures and information on the latest version?

That really irks me and I don't know why.

that is a damn good question... I talked to my sales guy and he talks to a paradigm rep on a constant basis and even the rep didn't know.. That can't be good.. I would love to see alittle more interest on thier part towards thier site as alot of ppl must visit there. It would be nice if they updated.

Hello everyone. I just picked up a pair of monitor 9's from my local dealer and also bought a Yamaha htr 5960 receiver for only $315. These speakers sound great even thought they currently are not in the best listening room. The only source i have hooked up now is my xbox 360 and i want to get into dvd audio and sacd. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good sounding but inexpensive combo sacd/dvd audio (not sure if the other format is called dvd audio). thnx
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Dipole surrounds are supposed to be mounted to the sides of the listeners, not behind them. Because a significant portion of their sound is reflected off surfaces before it arrives at the listener, you get a sense of being surrounded by a field of ambient sound coming from the surround channels, instead of an awareness of localized sounds coming from the speakers. Movies are meant to be played back that way. However, dipole surrounds are not ideal for music--for multi-channel SACD's and DVD-A's, dipole surrounds are a detriment. For multi-channel music, the AES standard is to use direct-radiating surrounds that are placed about 30 degrees behind the listening position, and to have all 5 speakers (not including any sub that you might be using) equidistant from the "sweet spot."

I just moved to dipoles (and 7.1), after using directs in a 5.1 configuration for 5 years. Of course I'm also in a different room, so its not an apples to apples comparison.

I do notice a more full sound -- more dispersed. But it definitely takes getting used to the fact that the discrete side sounds --- like a ship flying by -- don't sound nearly as prominent or noticeable. It is more subtle. For instance, the Balrog scene in Lord of the Rings (Fellowship), where there is some loud chanting. It used to sound at my sides. Now it just fills up the whole room -- doesn't sound like it is coming from my sides. I suppose that is better, but not what I'm used to.

I think sounds behind me are better now -- but that is due to the 7.1 config.

At first I thought I don't like this (the dipoles over directs), but I think it will just take getting used to. I've had this setup for less than a week. I think, as a whole, my room sounds more like a movie theater now. But I don't notice side surround action nearly as much. Its almost like they are not there.

Now I did a quick calibration of my system with an SPL meter -- all speakers were at 75 dbs at reference level. Maybe I'll bump up the side surrounds a decibel or 2 to make up for the lack of discrete side effects.

Hello everyone. I just picked up a pair of monitor 9's from my local dealer and also bought a Yamaha htr 5960 receiver for only $315. These speakers sound great even thought they currently are not in the best listening room. The only source i have hooked up now is my xbox 360 and i want to get into dvd audio and sacd. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good sounding but inexpensive combo sacd/dvd audio (not sure if the other format is called dvd audio). thnx
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oppo would be a good price per performance and did you add a sub with your new
speakers.

I just moved to dipoles (and 7.1), after using directs in a 5.1 configuration for 5 years. Of course I'm also in a different room, so its not an apples to apples comparison.

I do notice a more full sound -- more dispersed. But it definitely takes getting used to the fact that the discrete side sounds --- like a ship flying by -- don't sound nearly as prominent or noticeable. It is more subtle. For instance, the Balrog scene in Lord of the Rings (Fellowship), where there is some loud chanting. It used to sound at my sides. Now it just fills up the whole room -- doesn't sound like it is coming from my sides. I suppose that is better, but not what I'm used to.

I think sounds behind me are better now -- but that is due to the 7.1 config.

At first I thought I don't like this (the dipoles over directs), but I think it will just take getting used to. I've had this setup for less than a week. I think, as a whole, my room sounds more like a movie theater now. But I don't notice side surround action nearly as much. Its almost like they are not there.

Now I did a quick calibration of my system with an SPL meter -- all speakers were at 75 dbs at reference level. Maybe I'll bump up the side surrounds a decibel or 2 to make up for the lack of discrete side effects.
if you have a distance setting for your speakers you can cheat a little a tell the rec
that they are a foot or two further back this will increase the db a small amount.

if you have a distance setting for your speakers you can cheat a little a tell the rec
that they are a foot or two further back this will increase the db a small amount.

Yeah, I have the Onkyo 804. Has distance settings for all speakers (including sub).

Thanks.

I think, as a whole, my room sounds more like a movie theater now. But I don't notice side surround action nearly as much. Its almost like they are not there.

Actually, odds are that your HT sounds better than a movie theater. The last movie I attended (Zodiac) had a loud 60-Hz hum coming from one of the surrounds that was audible whenever the soundtrack wasn't loud. Oh, and the movie was out of focus, too. I complained, but the focus didn't change. This was one of the better theaters in my area, too. The little problems for which people come to AVS are so minor compared to what's technically wrong with most movie theaters.

I think the "not there" reaction to the side surrounds is what's supposed to be going on. The surround effect is supposed to keep your attention on the movie, rather than on your sound system. I know when I'm hearing a good sound system for music when I'm listening to the music instead of the equipment; it's the same thing. Maybe you prefer noticing those extra speakers that you paid for! :)

I think the "not there" reaction to the side surrounds is what's supposed to be going on. The surround effect is supposed to keep your attention on the movie, rather than on your sound system. I know when I'm hearing a good sound system for music when I'm listening to the music instead of the equipment; it's the same thing. Maybe you prefer noticing those extra speakers that you paid for! :)

I agree. But it is odd for me, since I'm so used to directs as my sides in a 5.1 config. So I knew they were there many times.

Like I said, I might just have to get used to the sound of dipoles on the sounds.

(I still have directs for the back surrounds).

I agree. But it is odd for me, since I'm so used to directs as my sides in a 5.1 config. So I knew they were there many times.

Like I said, I might just have to get used to the sound of dipoles on the sounds.

(I still have directs for the back surrounds).
i think this is what i'm going to do as well. ADP-190s for the sides, and move the Cinema 90s to the rear where they can be slightly angled down. thanks for the input all.

Can someone give me some advice on adding a component at a time to eventually get to 5:1 home theater? I currently have an NAD stereo amp driving Studio 60s. I'd like to make additions at about $500 to $700 a pop. So for example, right now I could either add a 10" sub for $500, or change to a 5:1 or 7:1 receiver for $500 to $700. Then there's the question of center channel first, or rear speakers first?

My sense is that my biggest improvement right now would be clarity in dialogue, which would lead to receiver first so I can add a center ASAP, then probably rears, then sub. But I know nothing about this... My room size is 20 x 16 and I sit about 9' from the TV and each front speaker.

Actually, odds are that your HT sounds better than a movie theater. The last movie I attended (Zodiac) had a loud 60-Hz hum coming from one of the surrounds that was audible whenever the soundtrack wasn't loud. Oh, and the movie was out of focus, too. I complained, but the focus didn't change. This was one of the better theaters in my area, too. The little problems for which people come to AVS are so minor compared to what's technically wrong with most movie theaters.

I think the "not there" reaction to the side surrounds is what's supposed to be going on. The surround effect is supposed to keep your attention on the movie, rather than on your sound system. I know when I'm hearing a good sound system for music when I'm listening to the music instead of the equipment; it's the same thing. Maybe you prefer noticing those extra speakers that you paid for! :)


I agree. A few months ago when "World Trade Center" came out we figured that since we had not gone out to a movie in a while we would check it out. During the movie I turned to my wife and said "Why did we come here, both the picture and sound are much better at home"

This last weekend I swithed from 20' for my surrounds to ADP's.
My couch is against the back wall so my adp's have to go to the sides, but are closer to the back wall.
For me the sound is clearer, more open and like Caesar1 said fills the room more, and not as in your face.
My 20's which were V.3, sounded boxy in that position. I know alot of it was the location I have to use, but I don't have that anymore with the adp's. I am borrowing a friends set of 20 V.4 and gonna try them. I wanna see for sure if it is the differences in V.4 or actually the Adp's. I am thinking it is the ADP's.
Also, with it not being so in your face, I did find my self turning them up after I calibrated them.
My Anthem doesn't give you the choice to change distances if you select Di-pole in the menu. Might try just selecting direct and see what that does.

I think the "not there" reaction to the side surrounds is what's supposed to be going on. The surround effect is supposed to keep your attention on the movie, rather than on your sound system.

This is a very good point and one I forget from time to time.

Wow.... good to know there are so many Paradigm guru's out there....
Studio 100's v.3
CC - 570 - Center
ADP-470 Rears
Energy Sub (Can't wait to replace....)

Denon AVR - 5805 AV Receiver/Amp
Pioneer Elite DV-45A DVD player
Sony C77ES 5 disc changer - back from when Sony had an elite line...

Going this week to buy either a B&K Reference 200.7 or an Anthem MCA50 for some more power.... and hopefully more clarity!!!

During the movie I turned to my wife and said "Why did we come here, both the picture and sound are much better at home"

I like the audience involvement. It was palpable during Fahrenheit 911. And the audience's laughter at many points during Little Miss Sunshine really added to the movie experience, although I still thought it was funny when I watched it a second time at home.

Two things I don't like in nearly every theater are the overdone, pitchless roar of bad subwoofers that are turned up too loud; and the overall extreme volume levels of theater audio in general. I don't know if this second characteristic is because of the way movies are mastered for theater use, the "thx" specifications, or what...

Oh well, before I go deaf during the actual movie, I can always enjoy the slide show of local adverts that plays along with the clips of the latest top 40 songs, sponsored by a soda pop.

Marantz SR8500
Mains: Monitor 7's
Center: CC-370
Surround: Cinema 90's
Sub: PW-2200

Signature v2 update - I spoke with a retailer yesterday about product availability. He called Paradigm and was told there is no stated release date yet. Worse, a price list has not been determined.

just got a CC-170 to go with my titans, pretty big center channel :D

Can someone give me some advice on adding a component at a time to eventually get to 5:1 home theater? I currently have an NAD stereo amp driving Studio 60s. I'd like to make additions at about $500 to $700 a pop. So for example, right now I could either add a 10" sub for $500, or change to a 5:1 or 7:1 receiver for $500 to $700. Then there's the question of center channel first, or rear speakers first?

My sense is that my biggest improvement right now would be clarity in dialogue, which would lead to receiver first so I can add a center ASAP, then probably rears, then sub. But I know nothing about this... My room size is 20 x 16 and I sit about 9' from the TV and each front speaker.

If you don't have a way to decode surround sound material, and need unity volume control over all channels, you definitely need the HT receiver to start with. Preferably an NAD model, with pre-outputs, to be able to use your other amp. Try to use the same amp manufacturer across the front three channels.

As far as center vs surrounds, that would depend how well a "phantom center " would work for you. Get the receiver, set the front L/C/R speaker selection for phantom (no center), and then see if you get a solid center image at the most off-axis seating position. If so, then you could get the surrounds first.

Sometime you can (temporarily) get by with using a different brand speaker for the surrounds, just in case you already have something else lying around. Then go for a new center.

I also own 60s, they image pretty well. But in my room, using an "L" shaped couch, so I definitely need a center (CC570). They do have decent bass, enough for music, but are no substitute for a subwoofer for movie playback. To start with, you can diy your own sub, for very little $$$. See the DIY speaker and sub forum.

I'm in the process of upgrading my HT setup. We listen to probably 85% TV/movies in a 15x25 living room. I went to a local paradigm dealer over the weekend to get a glimpse of what they offered for my budget (~$1500). At the time I didn't bring my own media to listen to, I'll definitely do that when I go back.

What the dealer recommended was:
Fronts: Monitor 7 x 2
Center: CC-270
Rears: ADP-170 x 2
Sub: PDR-12

What does everyone think of that setup? I know this is a paradigm thread, but how would this compare with a similar Energy line:
Fronts: Energy C-500 x 2
Center: Energy C-C100
Rear: Energy C-R100 x 2

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!

Is it possible to rewire so the upper terminal drives the tweeter and mid/bass and the lower drives the bass only? This would seem to give a more efficient use of power if you bi-amped the speaker.

The studio 60s are 2.5 way, so this can't be done. If they were 3-way it could be done.

oppo would be a good price per performance and did you add a sub with your new
speakers. i do plan on purchasing an svs 10in sub for $430. As u can see im trying to get good sound for the absolute lowest prices i can afford. I have never heard of oppo before i joined this forum. So i will check these dvd players out. thnx for ur help.

The studio 60s are 2.5 way, so this can't be done. If they were 3-way it could be done.

So this is a possibility with my Studio 100s. Maybe they are already wired like that. I will check. I do not plan on bi-amping, just curious.

Wow.... good to know there are so many Paradigm guru's out there....
Studio 100's v.3
CC - 570 - Center
ADP-470 Rears
Energy Sub (Can't wait to replace....)

Denon AVR - 5805 AV Receiver/Amp
Pioneer Elite DV-45A DVD player
Sony C77ES 5 disc changer - back from when Sony had an elite line...

Going this week to buy either a B&K Reference 200.7 or an Anthem MCA50 for some more power.... and hopefully more clarity!!!

Go with the MCA50, it matches up with the 100's beautifully!!!
I just picked up my Servo15 sub.... what an animal!

My system now;
Studio 100
CC590
ADP370
Monitor 7
MCA50
MCA20
AVM20
Servo15
Elite BD player

I am plagued. I am considering going with the following:

2 Studio 100's up front.
CC-590 (I am limited by space, otherwise I would get the CC-690)
ADP-590's

Or:

S4's with stands
C-3
Sig ADP's

What do you guys think. Sonically, do I gain anything going with the sigs. I can't decide if it's worth the extra $ or not. Thanks, David

Well I went with the Studio 100's cc-690 and 20's for rears, and I am very happy with the results... Now, if I had the $$ I probably would have gotten the Sig's.. as they are beautiful, and supposed to sound fantastic.. but most definately more expensive.. and you will have a short wait for the new Sig's to come out.. Maybe if you wait you can get a good deal on Sig's when the new models come out.. :)

Hard descision.. What type of room are you working with here..?
% of Music or movies, and have you put thoughts into a sub.. sounds like your into movies .
I haven't heard the Sigs, so I can't comment on them.. I know someone has both sets Studio's and Sig's, you might benefit from their guidance on sound...

good luck M8

Warp

Well I went with the Studio 100's cc-690 and 20's for rears, and I am very happy with the results... Now, if I had the $$ I probably would have gotten the Sig's.. as they are beautiful, and supposed to sound fantastic.. but most definately more expensive.. and you will have a short wait for the new Sig's to come out.. Maybe if you wait you can get a good deal on Sig's when the new models come out.. :)

Hard descision.. What type of room are you working with here..?
% of Music or movies, and have you put thoughts into a sub.. sounds like your into movies .
I haven't heard the Sigs, so I can't comment on them.. I know someone has both sets Studio's and Sig's, you might benefit from their guidance on sound...

good luck M8

Warp

MB, thanks for the advice. I have a fairly large room that is 15' x 22'. I have 7 HT chairs with a rear riser. The back (a half wall) and part of the side are open to the rest of my basement, which is large at about 2200 finished SF. For gear, I have an Anthem AVM-50, an MCA-20 (for fronts) and an MCA50 which drives the rest. I have an M&K 125 sub which does a pretty good job.

If I got the studios instead, I probably would add a sub (2) in the floor risers - which absolutely kicks ass for good deep bass right underneath you!

Well I went with the Studio 100's cc-690 and 20's for rears, and I am very happy with the results... Now, if I had the $$ I probably would have gotten the Sig's.. as they are beautiful, and supposed to sound fantastic.. but most definately more expensive.. and you will have a short wait for the new Sig's to come out.. Maybe if you wait you can get a good deal on Sig's when the new models come out.. :)

Hard descision.. What type of room are you working with here..?
% of Music or movies, and have you put thoughts into a sub.. sounds like your into movies .
I haven't heard the Sigs, so I can't comment on them.. I know someone has both sets Studio's and Sig's, you might benefit from their guidance on sound...

good luck M8

Warp
i heard the sigs and they do sound better but not twice as good
the studios sound great for half the price .

Hello

Current setup:
Yamaha V659
Paradigm cc-290
Paradigm Monitor 9's v5
rears dont ask atm :)
HSU 3.3 w/o turbo

I thought i would go with adp 390's to finish off my 5.1 system. But until i really get some time to go listen im leaning to monopole speakers for my side placement surrounds. After reading this http://www.hometheatermag.com/bootcamp/25/index.html

My Questions are 1: would the mini monitors v5 work well with the rest of my setup as a surround?
2: Mini monitors say 80w max input but then say suitable amp power is from 15-100w ?
3: With my 100w (115-120w from what ive read) Yamaha atm, is this going to be a problem for those Minis rated for lower?
4: I plan to upgrade later this year to the "NEW"=to Marantz 8001/Denon 4306 lvl AVR if all the HDMI stuff has been resolved so thats what in the 140w range. Would the Minis be ok? I know more power is better then under power but i dont know by how much. I do crank it up now and then. The Titan Monitors are rated the same so i picked the Minis for the smaller case size to keep the wife somewhat happy :)

Thanks for any input

if you like the sound of the mini why not and 80w means continuos power
it will safely take spikes of 100 and better most of the time on normal
listening they run at 5 to 10 watts and can peak to 100 watts or better
peaks depending on the material and volume you listen at.

Hey everyone i am rebuilding my home theater and just purchased a pair of new monitor 9's($920 total) and a Yamaha htr 5960 ($315!)7.1 channel receiver. Needless to say this set up sounds great and i want to eventually fill out a 7.1 channel system with paradgims new monitor line. I will add the new 10in pb-10 sub offered from svs. Currently my only source is my xbox 360 which i have hooked up to a 55in mitsubishi rear projection crt that is a couple years old but still has a great 1080i picture i think. I am really interested in super audio cd and dvd audio and i want the cleanest possible sound. Any suggestions for a combo sacd/dvd audio player for $200 or less. thnx! ps. i am currently only running 2 channel stereo and was listening to some bass heavy cds i own and man do the monitor 9's put out some good loud clean bass that seems to go lower then the claimed specs of 41hz. It was a pleasant surprise.

Monitor 7's= 41hz, 9's= 39hz not much diff but anyway im very happy with my new 9,s and Yamaha 659 pretty much same gig :)

I need to replace my off brand surrounds with Paradigm's. I have a fairly large room/ceiling i'm placing them in. Looks like I can pick up a set of used ADP-370's for the price a new set of ADP-190's. Any suggestions?

for the last question i've always bought demos or second hand. i'd go with the highest end rears i could buy for my alloted money. i have the adp 470s which i love but know that the new ones came out with the woofer maybe i could just sell you mine! :) i'm currently running my 100's v3 (paid 625 a piece) adp 470's (paid 600 for pair) had the cc-570 (paid 500) all those were from sound city in nj when theye were discontinuing the paradigm line. the 470's and the 570 were new in the box. the v100's were displays but in pristine condition. i now just upgraded to the cc-690 which is the size of a house and bought that from audiogon. (900 shipped) i sold my cc-570 for 679 on ebay last week so i made money on my original purchase. god i love paradigm! can't wait to watch an hd dvd tonight and hear my center. my wife was ready to kill me when she saw the size of the monster. i upgraded my 100's tweeters to the v4's so they should be pretty closely matched to my new center. i'll let you guys know how it sounds after i enjoy it for a few days!

Looking for help/opinions here... I own the Studio 60's and I'm not real thrilled with adding a sub due to placement problems, even though I want enough low end to be home-theater-happy. I'm pretty much 50/50 stereo music and HT usage. Would the 100s alone compare to the 60s with (say) a PDR10 or PDR12 in the room?

none of the paradigms can do the last octave in ht without the help of a sub
i have not seen but a few floorstanders that can actually go that low and they
cost many times more than the 100's.the ideal situation is to place the fronts
for ideal soundstage and ideal distance from the listener for stereo imaging and
place the sub in the room for ideal bass and cross it over so it is seamless.

Thanks oztech. What I've been reading seems to indicate that the sub might have to be quite far from any walls to make that work well - maybe a couple feet or more. Is that your experience?

for the last question i've always bought demos or second hand. i'd go with the highest end rears i could buy for my alloted money. i have the adp 470s which i love but know that the new ones came out with the woofer maybe i could just sell you mine! :) i'm currently running my 100's v3 (paid 625 a piece) adp 470's (paid 600 for pair) had the cc-570 (paid 500) all those were from sound city in nj when theye were discontinuing the paradigm line. the 470's and the 570 were new in the box. the v100's were displays but in pristine condition. i now just upgraded to the cc-690 which is the size of a house and bought that from audiogon. (900 shipped) i sold my cc-570 for 679 on ebay last week so i made money on my original purchase. god i love paradigm! can't wait to watch an hd dvd tonight and hear my center. my wife was ready to kill me when she saw the size of the monster. i upgraded my 100's tweeters to the v4's so they should be pretty closely matched to my new center. i'll let you guys know how it sounds after i enjoy it for a few days!

Mystikjoe, I too upgraded my center to the 690, now I'm contemplating on upgrading my Studio 100's v3 to the v4's. My dealer said I could trade my old v3's for the v4's, but I would have to pay an extra $520 for the upgrade. Sounds a little steep to me. How much did the just the tweeter upgrade cost you? And does anywone think it would be worth it to trade my v3 100's in for the v4 100's?

Mystikjoe, I too upgraded my center to the 690, now I'm contemplating on upgrading my Studio 100's v3 to the v4's. My dealer said I could trade my old v3's for the v4's, but I would have to pay an extra $520 for the upgrade. Sounds a little steep to me. How much did the just the tweeter upgrade cost you? And does anywone think it would be worth it to trade my v3 100's in for the v4 100's?

How well does the v3s match with the new center?

Looking for help/opinions here... I own the Studio 60's and I'm not real thrilled with adding a sub due to placement problems, even though I want enough low end to be home-theater-happy. I'm pretty much 50/50 stereo music and HT usage. Would the 100s alone compare to the 60s with (say) a PDR10 or PDR12 in the room?

I think I would venture to say, that you could easily duplicate my 100's with 60's any day, with a good sub... in fact I cross mine over @ 80hz to my PB12-Plus/2.

But there are times I run my mains full, for music... depends on the music..

But I would also add that you should look into some ID subs first, before you go hitting up the paradigm sub in that price range...
Maybe an SVS SB12 http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-sb12plus.cfm
or maybe an HSU VTF-2 MK 3 http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2-mk3.html
or even Axiom http://www.axiomaudio.com/ep350_main.html
Not sure which would be better for music.

I would shoot over to the sub woofer area, and ask advice...
Paradigm is a great sub, but in the lower price area, I think the ID subs would be better..

Hope that helps buddy...

How well does the v3s match with the new center?

Bass and midbass matches very good with the 690 v4 and the 100 v3. So far I cannot detect any difference with the woofers. I can tell a small difference in the higher frequency range. The highs seem a little more clear and transparent in the center channel. Overall the 690 v4 and the 100 v3 blend together very nicely and to the average listener, one may not notice a difference when all the speakers are playing together.

I'm still unsure if I want to drop an extra $520 on the upgrade to the v4 100's, so tomorrow I'm going to do some side by side comparisons. It may be a better option for me to save the money and put it towards a projector in the future?

My current system is as follows:
Studio 100's v3
Studio 690 v4
ADP 470 v3
Denon 3805
Denon 3910
Rotel 1095

Bass and midbass matches very good with the 690 v4 and the 100 v3. So far I cannot detect any difference with the woofers. I can tell a small difference in the higher frequency range. The highs seem a little more clear and transparent in the center channel.

That's good to hear. I would imagine if Paradigm approved of (I know from an email response, they don't condone diy), and sold you a pair of tweeters, it would probably cost around $300. If I’m not mistaken, Mystikjoe just changed the domes in his tweeters, which was much cheaper. My plan is to grab a pair of used 20v4s, and switch the tweeters with my 60v3s.

My current system is as follows:
Studio 100's v3
Studio 690 v4
ADP 470 v3
Denon 3805
Denon 3910
Rotel 1095

Nice setup you got there Chad...

Mine is quite similar.. That 690 is at times quite brutal... watching Flags of our Fathers, and the Thunder coming out of that center is wicked.. and Powered by the Rotel 1095 is endless spectacular headroom.
-15 @ 100db and the impact of a plane roaring by or mortars hitting... on this setup OMG :eek: :D

Scares the Crap out of people..... I love it...

My current system is
50" panny
Pioneer 81 til I gets myself an Anthem D2 AVM 50 or 40.
Rotel 1095
Yamaha DVD/DivX
XBMC
Paradigm 100s, 690, 20's
SVS Plus/2

Thanks oztech. What I've been reading seems to indicate that the sub might have to be quite far from any walls to make that work well - maybe a couple feet or more. Is that your experience?
i used a sencore spectrum analizer from work because of my odd shaped room
the sub ended up facing 90 degrees from me 6 inches off the front wall and 2
foot from the left wall behind the 100 and i still had to use the notch filter at 45 hz
to help flatten out the spike each room is different they usually work best in a
front corner of the room but i had to tame a 40 to 45 hz spike.

My first post in this thread and a longtime Paradigm owner.

I'm running the following right now:

- Studio 60 v3 Mains
- CC470 v3 Center
- Studio 20 V3 Surrounds
- PW2200 v2 Sub

I have opportunity to buy a mint pair of used Studio 100 v3s. I'm thinking of getting them to replace (and then sell) my less than year old Studio 60s.

Do you think this is a worthy upgrade? Has anyone compared them side by side and can tell me what the real difference is?

Thanks!

I have opportunity to buy a mint pair of used Studio 100 v3s. I'm thinking of getting them to replace (and then sell) my less than year old Studio 60s.

Do you think this is a worthy upgrade? Has anyone compared them side by side and can tell me what the real difference is?

Thanks!

I compared them side by side a couple of months ago when looking for speakers for a 2-channel music system. I found the 60's to be extremely bright speakers and noticeably lacking in bass. I would not have run them without a sub, and I just didn't like them. In contrast, the 100's had a much richer and less bright sound, and more bass.

I decided to get B&W 704's (and a sub) because I got a good price, but I really liked the 100's.

Is there anyone who has spent enough time with both of these subs to tell me whether the Seismic 12 is worth the extra cost over the Ultracube 12?

DLPNut

Looking for help/opinions here... I own the Studio 60's and I'm not real thrilled with adding a sub due to placement problems, even though I want enough low end to be home-theater-happy. I'm pretty much 50/50 stereo music and HT usage. Would the 100s alone compare to the 60s with (say) a PDR10 or PDR12 in the room?

Adding a sub EQ, or a parametric EQ used as one (such as the discontinued Behringer 1124P), along with the REW room correction program, can help a lot with subwoofers that have placement problems. And even ones that don't. :)

Also, if you have an attic or crawlspace adjoining the theater room, there's always the IB sub solution. There the sub is built into the adjoining space, all you see in the room is a grille. But you would need to borrow a regular sub first, to move around in order to find the best spot for the IB.

Is there anyone who has spent enough time with both of these subs to tell me whether the Seismic 12 is worth the extra cost over the Ultracube 12?

DLPNut

go here for a long winded but excellent discussions on some paradigm subs...
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29576


Warp

I compared them side by side a couple of months ago when looking for speakers for a 2-channel music system. I found the 60's to be extremely bright speakers and noticeably lacking in bass. I would not have run them without a sub, and I just didn't like them. In contrast, the 100's had a much richer and less bright sound, and more bass.

I decided to get B&W 704's (and a sub) because I got a good price, but I really liked the 100's.

Thank you for that.

The 60s don't have much bass, but I do have a PW2200 to fill the bottom end with.

What I'm looking for is a sweeter midrange and highs and it seems like the 100s will bring me that.

Anyone else care to comment?

Thanks for all the 60s, subs, and 100s advice. For my 2 cents on audio only - in my sitting position at home my 60s give me a soundstage about the size of a single garage door. Realistic for jazz combo or something like that. In a side-by-side comparison, I think the stage seems to almost double in width with with the 100s, and the mids and highs sound more alive. Not to mention the serious bass advantage.

Thank you for that.

The 60s don't have much bass, but I do have a PW2200 to fill the bottom end with.

What I'm looking for is a sweeter midrange and highs and it seems like the 100s will bring me that.

Anyone else care to comment?
thats why i have the 100's the midbass sweet.

they are finally changing their website.

they are finally changing their website.

I think a slow boat to china would be faster than their webpage updating :p

I visited one of my local shops the other day and had the opportunity to listen to the 100's, and I was supremely impressed. I currently have a the monitor seres that I bought about five years ago. I have always heard great things about the speakers, and in this case the hype is justified.

I am curious though if anyone has had the opportunity to compare the Studio 100's vs. the Siganture S6? My local dealer does not have the Signature line in stock yet but is expecting it shortly. I think that he will show the s8's though.

My buddy just got a Reference line 5.1 set-up and I was looking at the ADP-590's. I couldn't find any left/right markings or instruction to wire one of the speakers out-of-phase. So I was very surprised/confused and wondered whether they are no longer dipoles.

Anyway, I came here and found the extended discussion about this issue a few weeks ago. I can't believe that Paradigm is doing this. This is absolutely unacceptable behaviour for supposedly a quality company like Paradigm. And the email response from Paradigm is even more ludicrous. They basically say that the customer is too naive to know or hear the difference. Although it may make good business sense to make all speakers identical (vs a left and right), they can simply tell us in the instructions which speaker needs to be connected out-of-phase. Even the email failed to give that simple but important piece of information.

I'd encourage everyone to email Paradigm and complain. Or, better yet, boycott them until they fix the situation.

Ed

My buddy just got a Reference line 5.1 set-up and I was looking at the ADP-590's. I couldn't find any left/right markings or instruction to wire one of the speakers out-of-phase. So I was very surprised/confused and wondered whether they are no longer dipoles.

Anyway, I came here and found the extended discussion about this issue a few weeks ago. I can't believe that Paradigm is doing this. This is absolutely unacceptable behaviour for supposedly a quality company like Paradigm. And the email response from Paradigm is even more ludicrous. They basically say that the customer is too naive to know or hear the difference. Although it may make good business sense to make all speakers identical (vs a left and right), they can simply tell us in the instructions which speaker needs to be connected out-of-phase. Even the email failed to give that simple but important piece of information.

I'd encourage everyone to email Paradigm and complain. Or, better yet, boycott them until they fix the situation.

Ed

That's if they ever get your email, lots of folks have a hard time emailing them succesfully.

That's if they ever get your email, lots of folks have a hard time emailing them succesfully.What a difference as compared to the other side of the house - i.e. Anthem. Their customer service and response time is legendary. :)

What a difference as compared to the other side of the house - i.e. Anthem. Their customer service and response time is legendary. :)

I think I emailed Paradigm over a month ago about specs on the new Monitor line before they were on the website, still hav'nt got a response. :o

they can simply tell us in the instructions which speaker needs to be connected out-of-phase.I forgot that the design is not a pure dipole. If it was, then the above cure would work. But since the surround morphs to a direct radiator in the lower frequencies you can't just reverse the polarity at the speaker input. You'd either need to mount it upside down or start changing the polarities inside the speakers.

Ed

Ed, have you emailed Paradigm about this?

Ed, have you emailed Paradigm about this?Not yet, but I certainly will before the end of the weekend. I only found out today. Need to decide exactly what I want to say.

Ed

I have the adp v2 for my surrounds running a 5.1 system. I have my couch against the back wall and have had the adps in the corners on an angle but I notice locaility. Would it be best to put them on the side walls about 8" from the rear walls, or on the back walls same distance from the corners? thanks...

Not yet, but I certainly will before the end of the weekend. I only found out today. Need to decide exactly what I want to say.

Ed

keep us updated

I have a dilemma....does anyone think it would be worth it to upgrade my Studio 100 v.3 to the 100 v.4? My dealer is asking an additional $520.00 for the trade! I was able to upgrade my 570 to the 690 and only pay the additional cost between the two center channels. Unfortunetly, he is unable to give me that same deal with the 100's.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated!!

if you can hear a difference and you like it i would say go for it maybe my ears
are getting worse but i did not hear a great enough difference to get rid of my v3's.

i upgraded my tweeters in my v3 100's and i love the outcome i too upgraded to the 690 from the 570. the midrange in the v4 doesn't sound as good to me as the v3. just my personal preference so please don't rock me. although the v4 tweeter (sig) sounds so much sweeter to me! running out of room in my current setup!
http://home.comcast.net/~mystik/main.JPG

the tweeter upgrade costs approx 70 to do the pair. it's only the loose tweeter that is replaced. you use your old tweeter housing and magnet. it really is a better sounding tweeter and worth every penny of the 70 dollars it costed me. i didn't want to try to pack up v3's and sell them so i just did the upgrade. it wasn't my idea it was the manager of a local paradigm dealer that did the swap and the recommended it to me. as far as my 570 i sold it for 679 on ebay and then bought the 690 for 900 shipped on audiogon. a little over 200 bucks to upgrade to that monster was worth every penny. i am absolutely blown away by this center run and buy one now! :)

the tweeter upgrade costs approx 70 to do the pair. it's only the loose tweeter that is replaced. you use your old tweeter housing and magnet. By "loose tweeter" I assume you mean the diaphram (I could only figure this out from the context since I never heard the term). Anyway the problem with doing that is that you loose ferro fluid and therefore reduce power handling capability. Theoretically one can replace ferro fluid with a diaphram change but from my experience it's essentially never done. I bet your dealer doesn't even have any ferro fluid on hand. I hear it's expensive and I get the impression that it's not easy to get a hold of it.


Ed

Nice setup Mystikjoe! I will talk to my dealer tomorrow and see what he can do as far as replacing the tweeters. After extensive listening I do like the tweeter in the v.4 better. And I still think shelling out $500 to upgrade is way too steep.

I have the adp v2 for my surrounds running a 5.1 system. I have my couch against the back wall and have had the adps in the corners on an angle but I notice locaility. Would it be best to put them on the side walls about 8" from the rear walls, or on the back walls same distance from the corners? thanks...

My couch is against the back wall as well. So I did put my ADP's on the side walls about 12" or so inches from the back wall. The "null" side is just slightly forward of my head when seated. They blend great. Remember, they work by using the walls to disperce their sound.

Great thread everyone. My humble little system is;

Legend v.3 fronts, CC-170, ADP-170's, PDR-10, Yamaha RX-V1500, Panasonic TH-42PV60H, Toshiba RD-XS32 and Yamaha CDR-HD1300.

I've had my Legend v.3's for about 18 months now and I'm still amazed at the quality of sound they produce, but I'm sure it would be a jaw dropping experience to listen to some of the systems you guys have set up.

Cheers.

My couch is against the back wall as well. So I did put my ADP's on the side walls about 12" or so inches from the back wall. The "null" side is just slightly forward of my head when seated. They blend great. Remember, they work by using the walls to disperce their sound.

Thanks for the reply. How far from the ceiling did you mount them? I have 7.5' ceilings.

All - just picked up my S8 fronts and C3 center with a Sunfire TrueSub EQ. My question is this: Do I set the S8 fronts as Large? How about the crossover point in the setup menu? I am using a NAD T763 with an Adcom 555 running the S8 pair. With my old speakers (JM Lab 707S, CC700S) there was no question - set as Small with a crossover of 80Hz. I then have to set the crossover, etc on the sub.

As an aside - the S8s are beautiful - both in looks (Cherry) and in sound, and the C3 has made a huge difference in intelligibility of dialogue. Picked the S8s over the new 100V.4 and a lot of others - the S8s are extremely well balanced, great soundstage and clarity.

Thanks for the help - :)

Nice Job Ken.....

Are these the .v2 sig's?

and lastly, Hows about some pics buddy... ;)

Warpdrv- they are the .v1 sig's - bought their demo pair - got a deal. What really sold me on the S8s was seeing the opening to Diva on a 70" XBR2 and hearing her sing on the S8s - totally gave me goosebumps - her voice was unbelievably clear and strong - no breakup or distortion - just stunning.

All,

My current (wife -factor) setup is:

Denon 4306
Paradigm Monitor 5 v.4 (2x) - Fronts
Paradigm Monitor CC-370 - Center
Paradigm Mini-Monitor (2x) - Rear

I am thinking of going 7.1. What are the advantages? And will I have issues with different versions of the Monitor series (I think they are releasing a new version?!?)?

Thoughts?

for the guy who corrected me on the tweets thanks wasn't sure what they were called. pretty much any tweeter out there is cooled with ferrofluid. it's not hard to crack one open and steal out the juice. i got some old pioneers out of my old car setup and there was a ton of fluid on them. i used my finger to transfer it over which worked rather well. the funny thing about the paradigms is one of my tweeters had about double the fluid the other one did. i've been listening to music for about a month on the new tweets and they sound great.

Thanks for the reply. How far from the ceiling did you mount them? I have 7.5' ceilings.

Usually you want them about 3 feet above ear height when seated.
At least try to get them about a foot and a half from the ceiling to avoid possible coloration.

If you have the room, you can try setting a ladder against the wall and set the speaker on it and listen to them at various heights and places along the wall before you commit.

Looking at some in ceiling speakers for the living room. Kind of a small room with no space to put floors or bookshelfs. Trying to decide between Paradigm and Klipsch. I'm obviously posting this in the Paradigm area, so I can propably predict the replies. Any input would be greatly appreciated. I'd love to just go hear the speakers but no local dealers have them mounted and hooked up for a listening review. Thanks!

All - just picked up my S8 fronts and C3 center with a Sunfire TrueSub EQ. My question is this: Do I set the S8 fronts as Large? How about the crossover point in the setup menu? I am using a NAD T763 with an Adcom 555 running the S8 pair. With my old speakers (JM Lab 707S, CC700S) there was no question - set as Small with a crossover of 80Hz. I then have to set the crossover, etc on the sub.

As an aside - the S8s are beautiful - both in looks (Cherry) and in sound, and the C3 has made a huge difference in intelligibility of dialogue. Picked the S8s over the new 100V.4 and a lot of others - the S8s are extremely well balanced, great soundstage and clarity.

Thanks for the help - :)
with that amp you could still set the 8.s at 50 or 60 hz and let the sub take over
after that according to the graph i seen they are flat to 50hz. and to set the crossover
i believe you have to set to small to be able to adjust the crossover.

with that amp you could still set the 8.s at 50 or 60 hz and let the sub take over
after that according to the graph i seen they are flat to 50hz. and to set the crossover
i believe you have to set to small to be able to adjust the crossover.

Only problem with that setup is from what I understand, you will lose all LFE information between the 80hz and the 50hz... As far as 5.1 Movie setup goes.

Music setup I believe your OK with that setup.



credit goes to craigjohn for helping me understand this....

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_9_3/feature-article-multiple-crossovers-9-2002.html

Quote from secrets magazine:

In the majority of surround sound processors and receivers, FULL RANGE copies of all channels set to "Small" are combined together with the LFE channel, and the sum is low-passed. Think about that. Strictly speaking, any* such processor with a sub/sat crossover frequency set lower than 120 Hz is "discarding" the upper end of the LFE channel. THX units are NOT exempt from this. With the standard THX 80 Hz 4th order crossover, the top of the LFE channel gets chucked.

Don't panic. This has been going on since day one, and virtually nobody has noticed . . . with good reason. I've said many times before, and I will say it again: THX did not pull their crossover out of thin air. It is the product of much development, and, when used in concert with THX speakers (or others which exhibit the correct roll-off), represents the best overall compromise of minimizing localization, extending dynamic range, and as it turns out, minimizing LFE truncation. When Dolby Digital was coming to the consumer marketplace, THX looked at an inordinate number of modern 5.1 soundtracks and guess what they found in the LFE channel: not much at all in the region of 80 Hz - 120 Hz, making their original choice of 80Hz rather fortuitous. Dolby Digital's LFE channel has a digital brick wall at 120 Hz, not a roll-off, so content creators almost always roll-off their stuff, usually somewhere around 80 Hz. Therefore, chucking the top band of the LFE is no big deal but the argument here is that a standard SSP crossover set much lower than 80Hz or so may actually be costing you bass content.

i have the ability to set the crossover points on all my speakers and the sub
i guess i assumed he could do the same unless you are telling me it will defeat
the subs crossover point at 70 or 80hz are where ever the user sets it at.

Only problem with that setup is from what I understand, you will lose all LFE information between the 80hz and the 50hz... Where would the LFE above 80 Hz come from? I think it's more like you will loose all LFE above 50 Hz.

Ed

i have the ability to set the crossover points on all my speakers and the sub
i guess i assumed he could do the same unless you are telling me it will defeat
the subs crossover point at 70 or 80hz are where ever the user sets it at.As far as I know, there is no good way to set up different crossover frequencies for different speakers. Either you create holes of overlaps.

Ed

As far as I know, there is no good way to set up different crossover frequencies for different speakers. Either you create holes of overlaps.

Ed
The NAD allows me to set the speakers (Large/Small) and set the SubCrossover -
The Sunfire TrueSub also has many adjustments - crossover/phase/etc!

So - if I set the S8.s to small - and the crossover to 80 - don't I lose one of the reasons I bought the S8.s to begin with?

As far as I know, there is no good way to set up different crossover frequencies for different speakers. Either you create holes of overlaps.

Ed

It could be done with an Outlaw ICBM, but only if one either used preouts with seperate power amps for all channels, or had "main ins" as well as pre outs on their receiver.

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/icbm.html

I would hope a high end pre/pro would also let you do this, my Rotel receiver doesn't so I have it set @ 80Hz. for all channels.

The NAD allows me to set the speakers (Large/Small) and set the SubCrossover -
The Sunfire TrueSub also has many adjustments - crossover/phase/etc!

So - if I set the S8.s to small - and the crossover to 80 - don't I lose one of the reasons I bought the S8.s to begin with?

What frequencies do they roll off? If they are like the Studio 100s, they are still not full range. Setting them "large" would probably be best for music, but your sub should do a better job with all the bass content during movies. Lots of folks with 100s do this.

Remember that the 80Hz. cutoff, is more of a roll-off, your S8s will actually be playing lower than the 80Hz. setting, but gradually less output, the lower the frequency, (with the sub gradually more).

Unless you are running the S8's in a very large room at ear spliting levels, I would think you could run them as large.
The best thing is for you to try them either way. Set them to large, play some music or movies and listen for distortion or bottoming out. If you hear it then adjust the X-over for it. Your room is different from everybody elses and so the bass response will be too.

And sure there are holes and gaps when using multiple x-over points, but can and will you hear them in your room? Will they be subtle or obvious? Run some test sweeps. Listen (measure?) for the "holes". Adjust your sub to where the 8's start to drop off...

My point? Just experiment. Don't be afraid of it. Use your ears as the rule, not somebody elses with a different room.

Where would the LFE above 80 Hz come from? I think it's more like you will loose all LFE above 50 Hz.

Ed

That is correct, and what I should have said..... Any LFE information will be lost leaving you with a hole in your LFE range...

Unless your Pre/Pro has a LFE + Mains, you should be setting at 80hz crossover...

I think my SVS will be a little more effecient then my 100's at 80 hz and below..

Warp

So - if I set the S8.s to small - and the crossover to 80 - don't I lose one of the reasons I bought the S8.s to begin with?Which is ... ?
Ed

It could be done with an Outlaw ICBM, but only if one either used preouts with seperate power amps for all channels, or had "main ins" as well as pre outs on their receiver.

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/icbm.html

I would hope a high end pre/pro would also let you do this, my Rotel receiver doesn't so I have it set @ 80Hz. for all channels.I think that this product is now obsolete and so you'd have to find a used one. It's been a while so I don't remember exactly how it works. Sounds like a true Xover is applied to the fronts, center and surrounds and I assume that the low pass signals are all added to the LFE. If that is the case, then this sort of configuration does not leave a hole or overlap, but it does create a problem when summing all the low pass signals with the LFE since the phases of the filtered and non-filtered signals are all over the place.

Ed

I think that this product is now obsolete and so you'd have to find a used one.

Ed

It may be obsolete, I have owned one for a while that I used for an analog multichannel setup. I still have it in my rack, now I just use it to easily control my LFE volume level by having the LFE signal going though it. I figured if I ever wanted to try 2 stereo subs (plus even a separate third LFE sub, like an IB) I would use it again.

You are right about the true x-over application, not sure how important that last issue is, I don't recall the phase issues being brought up in any of the "glowing reviews", I read about it before purchasing. ;) :D It actually is a very versatile piece of equipment, especially for the price.

I did hear some slight signal degradation when passing my main L/R signal though it, then back to the main stereo amp. Maybe phase had something to do with that, but me thinks it was all those extra interconnections in the signal path. A truly hi-end pre/pro, that did individual channel crossover in the digital domain, would be best.

Okay, stupid question: I have the opportunity to go from a studio 60v3 to a studio 100v4 for only $400-500. Would you take it or not? The room in question isn't really big, about 13'x15' with one side open to the kitchen area. I've got a cc-690, adp-590, and seismic 12 to go with. Driven by a Denon 3806, which drives the studio 60v3's just fine. Thoughts?

I think that this product is now obsolete and so you'd have to find a used one. It's been a while so I don't remember exactly how it works. Sounds like a true Xover is applied to the fronts, center and surrounds and I assume that the low pass signals are all added to the LFE. If that is the case, then this sort of configuration does not leave a hole or overlap, but it does create a problem when summing all the low pass signals with the LFE since the phases of the filtered and non-filtered signals are all over the place.EdDiscontinued but hardly obsolete since it accomplishes a task, needed by some, that cannot easily be accomplished otherwise.

As for your comments about the phase issues involved in mixing various filtered bass signals with the LFE, that is a problem rarely solved by any bass management system.

Okay, stupid question: I have the opportunity to go from a studio 60v3 to a studio 100v4 for only $400-500. Would you take it or not? The room in question isn't really big, about 13'x15' with one side open to the kitchen area. I've got a cc-690, adp-590, and seismic 12 to go with. Driven by a Denon 3806, which drives the studio 60v3's just fine. Thoughts?

I would do it... I love the 100's for a large room, and many said they sound better all the way around. Seems like an OK deal... I don't think you can go wrong... :)

Warp

Okay, stupid question: I have the opportunity to go from a studio 60v3 to a studio 100v4 for only $400-500. Would you take it or not? The room in question isn't really big, about 13'x15' with one side open to the kitchen area. I've got a cc-690, adp-590, and seismic 12 to go with. Driven by a Denon 3806, which drives the studio 60v3's just fine. Thoughts?

I too would make the upgrade. Definitely a good deal from the 60's. Word of advice though: You aren't going to get the full affect until you drive those 100's with a seperate amp. Probably be the same with the 690. Dedicated amp opens them up. You can still use the 3806 for the rears, and maybe the center, but definitely look into at least a 2,3, or 5 channel amp. The 3806 would make a decent pre-pro.

Did several of you guys sit around in a circle smoking the same good stuff or something?

Setting the x-over to 50 Hz on the mains does not effect the LFE signal one bit. The LFE signal itself is not effected by any x-over settings. The only thing the x-over on SMALL speakers effects is when the bass from that channel is ADDED to the LFE signal for the sub-out. Any competent and decent processor with separate x-over points will handle this correctly.

Even S8s should not be run as LARGE for home theater use. You aren't wasting anything by setting them to SMALL. Main HT channels are still asked to produce a lot of output from 50 Hz up (even with an 80 Hz x-over) and the extra capacity of the S8 will produce better results here. If you don't NEED this extra capacity then you shouldn't have bought an S8 in the first place! :)

Question: i just recently got a CC-170 center channel, currently my reciever settings have the center channel as "small" (i was using an old kenwood center before) should i change it to large or leave it at small ?

Did several of you guys sit around in a circle smoking the same good stuff or something?

Setting the x-over to 50 Hz on the mains does not effect the LFE signal one bit. Except for the crossover on the sub channel with some processors.

Discontinued but hardly obsoleteYes I agree - I really meant discontinued and just made a bad choice.

Ed

Even S8s should not be run as LARGE for home theater use. You aren't wasting anything by setting them to SMALL. Main HT channels are still asked to produce a lot of output from 50 Hz up (even with an 80 Hz x-over) and the extra capacity of the S8 will produce better results here. If you don't NEED this extra capacity then you shouldn't have bought an S8 in the first place! :)

I apologize for buying S8s - I'm just trying to get an idea from other's experience as to which setup is recommended - I use the system for HT as well as music. I've done some comparing and will do more - just looking for advice.

Setting the x-over to 50 Hz on the mains does not effect the LFE signal one bit. The LFE signal itself is not effected by any x-over settings.
Just to elaborate on what Kal said, it depends on the receiver/processor. Some do filter the LFE. The way that they work is that the full spectrum from all channels that are set to small are summed with the LFE. Then that signal is low passed filtered at an independently selectable frequency.

Ed

Just to elaborate on what Kal said, it depends on the receiver/processor. Some do filter the LFE. The way that they work is that the full spectrum from all channels that are set to small are summed with the LFE. Then that signal is low passed filtered at an independently selectable frequency.

Ed
Is there a way to determine how the NAD T763 handles this? I have not seen it mentioned in the manual - I'll take another look though. It seems to my old ears that when the S8s are set to small the overall sound seems a little bass heavy - this is with the NAD's crossover point set at 80 hz and the TrueSub set to bypass. I know it's going to take some time to get it all set up right!

I really appreciate the help guys :)

edit: I've just been switching between large and small for the S8s and it really seems to make a huge difference - I'm listening to Sirius 30 - Coffee House - the sound on small seems to take a huge bump up in bass - I'm not changing anything else - no change in sub volume or crossover point - I don't know if I'm getting a mid-bass hump or what???? Or maybe I'm just terminally inept :rolleyes:

Is there a way to determine how the NAD T763 handles this? I have not seen it mentioned in the manual - I'll take another look though. It seems to my old ears that when the S8s are set to small the overall sound seems a little bass heavy - this is with the NAD's crossover point set at 80 hz and the TrueSub set to bypass. I did some simple testing a while ago. I used AVIA to get an LFE frequency sweep and a sound level meter to measure sub output. Do this with a high Xover and a lower crossover and see whether the LFE is affected. I doubt that the manual gets into this kind of detail. Regarding bass heaviness when small - did you calibrate your system with a sound level meter?
edit: I've just been switching between large and small for the S8s and it really seems to make a huge difference - I'm listening to Sirius 30 - Coffee House - the sound on small seems to take a huge bump up in bass - I'm not changing anything else - no change in sub volume or crossover point - I don't know if I'm getting a mid-bass hump or what???? Or maybe I'm just terminally inept :rolleyes:Don't try to make judgements with Sirius. For one thing it's very low quality audio - highly compressed. But as far as the bass goes - Sirius is doing crazy equalization with really annoying bass boost. Use a better source.

Ed

I too would make the upgrade. Definitely a good deal from the 60's. Word of advice though: You aren't going to get the full affect until you drive those 100's with a seperate amp. Probably be the same with the 690. Dedicated amp opens them up. You can still use the 3806 for the rears, and maybe the center, but definitely look into at least a 2,3, or 5 channel amp. The 3806 would make a decent pre-pro.


Can anyone recommend a good 3 channel amp? I haven't looked too much, but haven't been able to find one. Maybe something like a Rotel RMB-1066 bridged for three channel use? Any other suggestions?

Don't try to make judgements with Sirius. For one thing it's very low quality audio - highly compressed. But as far as the bass goes - Sirius is doing crazy equalization with really annoying bass boost. Use a better source.
Ed


+1 ekb... use a familiar CD with good range high's mid's and lows....
Music rarely runs down to 20hz or less..
Pick 1 good track, and listen and test and do it some more.....

Remember, LFE is movies.... set yourself up with a familiar scene or two and change your settings small to large and see how things go as well... :)

Its all about fun... :)

Warp

Paradigm has updated thier website.. go check out the new stuff

Can anyone recommend a good 3 channel amp? I haven't looked too much, but haven't been able to find one. Maybe something like a Rotel RMB-1066 bridged for three channel use? Any other suggestions?

While back I asked the same question at the Club Rotel, the consensus was bridging an amp doesn't produce the best sound quality. Better to go with a Rotel 5 channel, or combo stereo units.

Anthem is said to be a good match for Paradigms (they are part of the same manufacturer group). They make a 3 channel.

http://www.anthemav.com/NewSitev2.0/AnthemProduct/MCASeries/MCASeriesHome.html

Can anyone recommend a good 3 channel amp? I haven't looked too much, but haven't been able to find one. Maybe something like a Rotel RMB-1066 bridged for three channel use? Any other suggestions?

Anthem has the MCA 30 which would compliment the 100's nicely.

Anthem has the MCA 30 which would compliment the 100's nicely.

Wow, that's a pricey sucker! Anyone know where to find a good price on Anthem products in the States? I'm in Seattle.

Hello all, I just got my setup 2 weeks ago and I think I am about through with the break-in setup consists of:

2 Studio 60v4'
Crown IC150
Crown DC300a
NAD C542


I really love the way it sounds, I am pondering purchasing a new amp/pre or possible an integrated since I do mostly music listening. Since the old equipment doesn't have a remote and I'm lazy, some new equipment would be nice. Would I see any sonic difference with a new amp? Was leaning towards Arcam products

Wow, that's a pricey sucker! Anyone know where to find a good price on Anthem products in the States? I'm in Seattle.New ones are only sold thru dealers and discounts are not too big. I believe that there is a used one on Audiogon right now.

Ed

their are available at an authorized anthem dealer new other than that used
on the net.

Wow, that's a pricey sucker! Anyone know where to find a good price on Anthem products in the States? I'm in Seattle.

I second the Rotel suggestion... I know they don't have 3 channel, but the 1095 is a pretty good bang for your buck.. I got mine used off of Audiogon for $1200. Or new for $1800. I would like to think it will not leave you wanting more power.

Im Thrilled with it !!!!


Warp

The kicker there is that I don't have the room without a major re-work of my system. And with a 19 month old boy and another one in june, I can't just let it sit on the floor. I can maybe put the RMB-1066 on top of a cabinet if my speaker wire can get there and still remain hidden.

Can anyone comment on which surround would match best with Paradigm Monitor 9 v.5 fronts and Paradigm CC-290 v.5 center? I was thinking about the Paradigm Atom v.5 but I didn't know if these were too small. Thanks.

While Anthem makes an excellent product. There are other amps out there.
Maybe a used Parasound, Outlaw, ATI.

Definitive Audio up there in Bellevue carries Anthem.

For the real vintage experts out there... does anyone know the approximate dates when the v2s were replaced by v3s, and when the v3s were replaced by v4s? I'm having trouble nailing this down for both the Studio 60s and 100s. In fact, I own the 60s and I don't see that info anywhere in my receipts/manuals/etc.

Thanks.

In fact, I own the 60s and I don't see that info anywhere in my receipts/manuals/etc.Look on the back label of the speaker itself. Should be there.

Ed

While Anthem makes an excellent product. There are other amps out there.
Maybe a used Parasound, Outlaw, ATI.

Definitive Audio up there in Bellevue carries Anthem.

Just stack three of these Outlaws together:

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/2200.html

If you don't listen to 5 channel music where each channel is equal, then the Atoms would be fine. If you do, then you basically want 5 of the same speaker.

Can anyone comment on which surround would match best with Paradigm Monitor 9 v.5 fronts and Paradigm CC-290 v.5 center? I was thinking about the Paradigm Atom v.5 but I didn't know if these were too small. Thanks

If you don't listen to 5 channel music where each channel is equal, then the Atoms would be fine. If you do, then you basically want 5 of the same speaker.

I am going to try the Mini Monitors to go with my 9's, cc-290. Im 85% HT, A couple DVD concerts i like, and music i usualy use 2 channel stereo. So im thinking they should work fine. Im pretty sure i want the monopole surrounds NOT Dipole but that was from my last listening audition for fronts. So i will go back for a few runs to focus on surrounds this time.

To SCEvan:
Leave the cc170 set as small. I presume you are using a sub.
What speakers are you using with the 170? Have you listened to the new cc290 or even the 190? The new .5 version of the center channel speakers are very nice. I recently replaced my 170 with the 290v.5 and am thrilled by the improvement in dialogue and range from the 290. It is larger than the 170 (the 190 is similar to the 170) but reasonably large for the room it is in.
I am not poopooing the 170, it is a very nice center, just telling you of my recent experiences.

Im currently uprading my entire home theatre in the basement. New projector, screen and I need speakers. I currently own a set of Paradigm Cinema Series in my smaller room and love the sound. I don't want to spend more then 3000.00 for an entire 7.1 setup.

I want the speakers that people would say "wow they sound like they costed 10 times what you paid" I want the best quality/value set. Im not an audiophile but I do know good sound when I hear it and from reading some threads it seems the Paradigm are the best performing speakers for the money.

Its for a small basement. Maybe around 14 feet by 25 feet. Seating distance from speakers is about 14 feet. I will be mostly listening to movies or multi channel concert dvds. I don't listen to any stereo music.

About a year ago i purchased a good center channel. A PSB Image 8c. I wondering if I could keep the center channel and how it would match up with some Paradigm. Will a different center channel screw up the the overall sound? As for a sub, I have a Cerwin Vega sub. Should I keep the sub or get rid of it too?

thanks guys

If you don't listen to 5 channel music where each channel is equal, then the Atoms would be fine. If you do, then you basically want 5 of the same speaker.

This system will be used 100% for HT. THanks for your input.

Does anyone (Studio/Reference series) have a 7.1 setup where they do NOT use Paradigm ADPs/dipoles for side surrounds?

If so, what do you use for your sides and rears (Studio 20s really are not meant to be wall-mounted)?

Im currently uprading my entire home theatre in the basement. New projector, screen and I need speakers. I currently own a set of Paradigm Cinema Series in my smaller room and love the sound. I don't want to spend more then 3000.00 for an entire 7.1 setup.

I want the speakers that people would say "wow they sound like they costed 10 times what you paid" I want the best quality/value set. Im not an audiophile but I do know good sound when I hear it and from reading some threads it seems the Paradigm are the best performing speakers for the money.

Its for a small basement. Maybe around 14 feet by 25 feet. Seating distance from speakers is about 14 feet. I will be mostly listening to movies or multi channel concert dvds. I don't listen to any stereo music.

About a year ago i purchased a good center channel. A PSB Image 8c. I wondering if I could keep the center channel and how it would match up with some Paradigm. Will a different center channel screw up the the overall sound? As for a sub, I have a Cerwin Vega sub. Should I keep the sub or get rid of it too?

thanks guys

In your price range, if you were to go with Paradigm, your probably best to go with the Monitor line...

Monitor 11's $1200 Pair.
Monitor CC-390 $600
Monitor ADP-390 $700
Monitor Atom $250
total $2750.00 and shoot for at least 10% discount.
which should leave you with room for a good HSU VTF-3 MK3 or SVS SB12-Plus
Or you could compromise down to a lower CC and ADP's which might also save you a few bucks...

Might be a touch over budget, but would be a killer setup..

Otherwise there are plenty of other online brands that will fit the bill quite well for you....
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/
http://www.hsuresearch.com/packages.html
http://www.svsound.com/products-sys.cfm
http://www.**********/products_category_brand.php?section=speakers&brand=3



Warp

Does anyone (Studio/Reference series) have a 7.1 setup where they do NOT use Paradigm ADPs/dipoles for side surrounds?

If so, what do you use for your sides and rears (Studio 20s really are not meant to be wall-mounted)?
I will be building a dedicated theater using 40's for sides and possibly 20's for rears. The 40's are going to be mounted in colums, other than something like that though, your right the 20's are way to heavy to be wall mounted and stands would not give you the right hieght....

I visited one of my local shops the other day and had the opportunity to listen to the 100's, and I was supremely impressed. I currently have a the monitor seres that I bought about five years ago. I have always heard great things about the speakers, and in this case the hype is justified.

I am curious though if anyone has had the opportunity to compare the Studio 100's vs. the Siganture S6? My local dealer does not have the Signature line in stock yet but is expecting it shortly. I think that he will show the s8's though.


Anyone?? :confused:

The Sig S6 hasn't been released yet as far as I know... no-one has gotten their hands on the .v2 Sigs. So Im not sure anyone could do a side by side
Warp

About a year ago i purchased a good center channel.

Sell it, Trade it, Give it to a buddy, Dont mess up your front sound stage.

I use the Paradigm Monitor V5. line and am vary happy ( 9's L/R,CC-290). I havnt decided or taken the time to go listen for my new surrounds yet though, Atom or Mini's (thinking Mini's) cause i want monopole surrounds and i like the localization sound for my 5.1 HT enjoyment. 19'x15x 8'h room with np. GL

I will be building a dedicated theater using 40's for sides and possibly 20's for rears. The 40's are going to be mounted in colums, other than something like that though, your right the 20's are way to heavy to be wall mounted and stands would not give you the right hieght....

Just my opinion but since your building from scratch, why not just put backing 3/4" plywood or even double it or even 2x10's behind the drywall. You would be amazed at what the the right clip and silicone can hold into backing. In my field ive hung many many things 5x the weight of any normal residential use speaker that i know of! Either way GL

The Sig S6 hasn't been released yet as far as I know... no-one has gotten their hands on the .v2 Sigs. So Im not sure anyone could do a side by side
Warp



Thanks for the heads up. I will have to call my dealer to see if he has his yet (he was talking as if they should have been there a week ago).

I've posted here a few times and the advice has been fantastic....although rather expensive...but here we go again. My system now includes Studio100's and on your advice a servo15 my centre is a CC590. I have read opinions on the CC690 but i am a little confused as to the performance differences, as Paradigms specs seem very close between the two models. I've heard conflicting reviews on the benefits of up-grading to the CC690. Some thoughts or opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance from a dye-hard Paradigm fan.

I've posted here a few times and the advice has been fantastic....although rather expensive...but here we go again. My system now includes Studio100's and on your advice a servo15 my centre is a CC590. I have read opinions on the CC690 but i am a little confused as to the performance differences, as Paradigms specs seem very close between the two models. I've heard conflicting reviews on the benefits of up-grading to the CC690. Some thoughts or opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance from a dye-hard Paradigm fan.

Let me ask you a question. When you listen to your system, specifically while watching a movie, can you locate the center channel? Does the dialog sound just a little "boxy" to you? Maybe just slightly "colored"? Those were my experiences with the 590. I was never totally satisfied with that aspect of my system. The 690 is far superior in those aspects. It blends SIGNIFICANTLY better with the 100's. I would like to share with you a PM I got on this same question. Even though the comparison is 570 vs. 690, I believe it is still relevant to your question. Here is his experience:


Joe,
I was chatting with you a few months back reference the upgrade to the cc690 from the 570. I appologise for the delayed response to your PM but I had to wait a spell for the shop to get one in and so on. I absolutely agree with your impression of the 690 being far superior to the 570. It seemed to disappear with the front end and it seems that you do not have to "listen" to the dialog in the movie because it is so much crisper and more defined. The 570 was boomy and I found myslef turning up the volume on the movie to hear what was going on (and the set up was balanced using a SPL). The 690 is simply amazing. It reproduces EVERYTHING better than the 570 and you can clearly hear what you are listening to without turning it up or struggling to hear what was going on. While listening to multi channel music or movies you are no longer able to point to the source of the center channel like I could with the 570 because it produces a much better sound field that works with the Studio 100v3's. WAY better!!!! Thank you for the imput and it was a big factor in my decision to upgrade the 570. I would do it again twice on any Sunday!



You should try and listen to one, ideally in your listening environment. The 690 is one upgrade that is worth every penny. So much of what you hear is comes from that center, that you wont believe the difference it makes. That's my .02 cents worth. Good luck.

+10 on the 690..... I went from a non-matching front stage,(Polk LS70's & Polk CS350) to the 100's and 690.. Talk about night and day... I was always struggling to try to make it sound right and I had no idea why. This is long before I ever came to one of these audio forums, to get an education as to how stupid I was, and also why I would never be able to fix that ghetto setup I had.

The same usual stories applied, lack of sound conformity from one side going to the other. Voices never matched, V8 cars started on one side and turned into mopeds in the center, then back into V8's.. With the 690 I can't tell where the stage begins and ends (seemless). The 690 is almost as large as the 100, so the size of it is immense... when people come over and see it, they can't believe the size - (Thats a speaker) But when your putting 6 drivers in a center channel, 2 of which are 7" woofers in a large solid constructed enclosure, your going to have something with a bit of authority pounding things out, driven with the right power.

You can't go wrong spending the extra on that CC... The only question is whether you can make it fit your application... :)

Warp

Are we talking v3 100s with the 690, or v4s?

Are we talking v3 100s with the 690, or v4s?

Im talking .v4, but I don't think it would matter either way... The .v3's sound so similar, I would think one could add in the 690 to an existing .v3 setup with no problems whatsoever, and hardly notice a difference....

Would the same idea go for the Monitor center, 290 vs 390. That the 390 is worth the extra $200 ?

I do have .v4 100's. And thanks for the advice. I can make them fit as i am in the middle of building a dedicated Theatre / listening room and i want things right the first time, I have learned my lesson from previous related experiences. (spent too much on equipment in the past without researching or aquiring advice from forums such as this).

Thanks again!!!

So I just picked up a set of these for a great price so my studio 20s are going to the back. My Yamaha DSP A3090 Integrated amp probably won't cut it with this new setup. I hear I need around 200 to 300 watts to really make these shine. I want to go used a spend no more then $700 on an amp. I'm considering a Rotel (maybe 1070 or 1080) and also seem to remember Nakamichi's PA-7 was a killer back in the day (I don't mind going vintage). I also would consider carver, parasound, maybe harmon Kardon Signature. What's the best deal and match for my studios? The room they are in tends to be a bit bright.

Would the same idea go for the Monitor center, 290 vs 390. That the 390 is worth the extra $200 ?

I would think so... Looks like you have the room for any and all of what your after, looking at the way you have your room setup with Projection Screen....

With as nice as your theater is setup, Im surprised your not going the way of Studio's as opposed to Monitors... If you are headed for monitors, make sure you go with the 11's, as they blow away the rest of that line, as far as floor standers go.

Warp

I would think so... Looks like you have the room for any and all of what your after, looking at the way you have your room setup with Projection Screen....

With as nice as your theater is setup, Im surprised your not going the way of Studio's as opposed to Monitors... If you are headed for monitors, make sure you go with the 11's, as they blow away the rest of that line, as far as floor standers go.

Warp

Money is why, 11's you say? That would take me forever to save up for. Even the extra 200$ for the 390 would be like 6-8 months more than if I just went with the 290. Even thats going to take awhile. The 190 is more inline with my budget, and knowing theres bigger and better I would'nt be happy.

So I just picked up a set of these for a great price so my studio 20s are going to the back. My Yamaha DSP A3090 Integrated amp probably won't cut it with this new setup. I hear I need around 200 to 300 watts to really make these shine. I want to go used a spend no more then $700 on an amp. I'm considering a Rotel (maybe 1070 or 1080) and also seem to remember Nakamichi's PA-7 was a killer back in the day (I don't mind going vintage). I also would consider carver, parasound, maybe harmon Kardon Signature. What's the best deal and match for my studios? The room they are in tends to be a bit bright.

You might want to take a look into Emotiva , They seem well recommended on here. You can "Call" them for a custom msp-1 chassis and 2mods that are 200w each and that would all come to 700$, Plus you would have the room for 5 more mods (200$ per) at later dates! Let the AVr/ or other amps run the rears for now.

Bi-amping Paradigm speakers:

anyone bi amping Paradigm speakers? Please list what speakers to what amps.. I just upgraded to Monitor 11's V.5 and driving them with a Parsound Classic 125w amp..

Bi-amping Paradigm speakers:

anyone bi amping Paradigm speakers? Please list what speakers to what amps.. I just upgraded to Monitor 11's V.5 and driving them with a Parsound Classic 125w amp..

How do like the 11's, what did you upgrade from?

DrPainMD: hey doc how r u?.. Sold my 7's as soon as word got around at work. Great sound from the new speakers. Going thru all my cds again. Listening to digital music now via cable. I also have a CC370 center and ADP 170's for sides. I have Polk for rear surrounds but want to put in some Paradigm wall speakers.. Ck my gallery.. keep in touch

DrPainMD: hey doc how r u?.. Sold my 7's as soon as word got around at work. Great sound from the new speakers. Going thru all my cds again. Listening to digital music now via cable. I also have a CC370 center and ADP 170's for sides. I have Polk for rear surrounds but want to put in some Paradigm wall speakers.. Ck my gallery.. keep in touch

Thanks for your reply, sent you a PM.

So I just picked up a set of these for a great price so my studio 20s are going to the back. My Yamaha DSP A3090 Integrated amp probably won't cut it with this new setup. I hear I need around 200 to 300 watts to really make these shine. I want to go used a spend no more then $700 on an amp. I'm considering a Rotel (maybe 1070 or 1080) and also seem to remember Nakamichi's PA-7 was a killer back in the day (I don't mind going vintage). I also would consider carver, parasound, maybe harmon Kardon Signature. What's the best deal and match for my studios? The room they are in tends to be a bit bright.
I have a Rotel 1095 hooked up to my 100 v.3 and they sound great! The Rotel will definitely help tame the brightness and you may find a good deal online for a used one in your price range?

Bi-amping Paradigm speakers:

anyone bi amping Paradigm speakers? Please list what speakers to what amps.. I just upgraded to Monitor 11's V.5 and driving them with a Parsound Classic 125w amp..


I'm Bi-amping Studio 100's using Anthem MCA20 amps. I've heard conflicting stories as to the effectiveness of this because of using existing cross-overs instead of removing them and using cross-overs before the amp but I think it added a little more accuracy and depth to the imaging.

the money spent on bi-amping could be spent on one mean amp and you
would have better results because as stated before to get true bi-amping
you need to remove the crossovers from the speakers and place it ahead
of the amps.

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Paradigm 11s v5 biamped with surround back channel of the Yamaha RXV1700 as directed in the manual. Sounds great but I don't see a much difference from previous biwire setup. cc390 v5 and a Ultracube 12. Couldn't be happier with this combo. Really satisfied.

Can anyone explain to me what the "premium" finishes are on the studio v.4 speakers? On the brochure, I only see cherry, rosenut, and black ash. Thanks, David

HELP!!!

I am in the final stages of my Theatre install and I would like to increase the size of the projector screen. The problem is the main left speaker is getting closer to the side wall than I would like. If the speaker (Studio 100) is say about 6" off the side wall and approximately 12" off the back wall would this effect the sound much? would I get weird refections or colored sound in any way? The right speaker will be 10' from the side wall.

keep us updatedIt's been a week since I emailed Paradigm about the identical ADP 590 V.4 "dipoles". No answer so far.

I thought that these models were the first dipoles that were not marked left and right. But someone mentioned that they have and earlier version (maybe a 470 or 450 - I can't find that post now) that weren't marked. Anyone else have ADP's earlier than the 590 that aren't marked left & right?

Ed

HELP!!!

I am in the final stages of my Theatre install and I would like to increase the size of the projector screen. The problem is the main left speaker is getting closer to the side wall than I would like. If the speaker (Studio 100) is say about 6" off the side wall and approximately 12" off the back wall would this effect the sound much? would I get weird refections or colored sound in any way? The right speaker will be 10' from the side wall.
i have found with my room that having a foot and a half distance around
the speaker seemed to sound best when i had it inches away from the wall
it seem to bloat the midbass somewhat.

Anyone looking to upgrade from Studio 100v3's to v4's in the Cleveland, OH area?

You can get 20% off new v4's this weekend at one of the local audio stores and I'd be happy to take your v3's off your hands (save me some $$ and they'll match my others...).

Please shoot me a PM if interested.

Thanks.

HELP!!!

I am in the final stages of my Theatre install and I would like to increase the size of the projector screen. The problem is the main left speaker is getting closer to the side wall than I would like. If the speaker (Studio 100) is say about 6" off the side wall and approximately 12" off the back wall would this effect the sound much? would I get weird refections or colored sound in any way? The right speaker will be 10' from the side wall.

Ideally I'd want them at least 18" from the side walls and 12" from the back wall, but it depends on your ears and your room. Set them up as I suggested and play something that you are familiar with, then move them to where you're thinking of putting them and see if the mid-bass sounds boomy. You should check the levsl and subwoofer settings after moving the speakers. If you think the sound is much better with more room around the speakers, would it be possible to use an acoustically transparant screen that hangs in front of the speakers? I don't know how much they cost.

It's been a week since I emailed Paradigm about the identical ADP 590 V.4 "dipoles". No answer so far.

I thought that these models were the first dipoles that were not marked left and right. But someone mentioned that they have and earlier version (maybe a 470 or 450 - I can't find that post now) that weren't marked. Anyone else have ADP's earlier than the 590 that aren't marked left & right?

Ed

I've been following your other thread. I have 470's and I'll confirm if they're marked or not in the next couple days (i'm away from home today). I think they are...I think I recall an "oh s#$@" moment when I was wiring them up and noticed a stamp on them.

I think I recall an "oh s#$@" moment Hate when that happens. ;)
Thanks for checking on the 470's.

Ed

My 470s were marked. If I recall correctly, they were only marked by a sticker that either said "L" or "Left". I believe it is located under the speaker grille.

Dave

Is there any tv stand that will house the CC-390 on the middle shelf?

look at the bello and bdi web sites they have them i use a bello
and it houses the 570 with room to spare.

My audio equipment:

Yamaha RX-V540 6.1 receiver (80 watts/channel)
Mains = Monitor 7s v4
Centre = CC370
Surrounds = ADP370s
Rear Centre = PARAMS150R (in ceiling)
Subwoofer = SVS PB-10

My Room:
950sqft open concept basement.
Home Theater is in the center of this basement area and is about 14'x22', but again it is really in a 950sq ft basement area.

My questions:
1. Do I need to be worried if my receiver will damage my speakers at higher volume levels, given it's relatively lower watts/channel, or is it still powerful enough to not worry about that?

2. The receiver doesn't have an crossover adjustment, as it's hard set to 80mhz permanently. The SVS sub doesn't have an crossover knob adjustment either, only a volume and phase adjustment. Am I ok with this setup, or should I be looking at getting a receiver that allows me to adjust the crossover?

3. In the receiver's menu, should I be setting the main, centre and surround speakers to SMALL or LARGE?

4. Should I set the LFE level to be directed at just the Sub or to both the main speakers and the sub?

5. Should I set the impedence selector to the "minimum of 8ohms" side, or the "minimum of 4/6ohms" side?

Thanks in advance.

Here is what I received from Paradigm re: thier ADP's.

[QUOTE]Surround/rear speakers are meant to envelop the listener giving a feeling of being ³in the environment². While it is possible to create a sonic illusion of ³being there² using all direct radiators, we have found it to only be viable in a perfectly optimized room in a single sweet spot. Not too practical unless you like listening with your head in a vice. If there was significant on-axis energy to the sides or rear, the listener would localize that sound and disrupt the creation of the normal forward illusion of image.
We have found that in our listening tests, the adapted dipole provides the best answer for multi-channel surround sound. With our advanced data acquisition and analysis, we can create with our ADP¹s a reverberant energy field which is in complete harmony with the left, center, and right front speakers. Since the entire idea of an ADP is listening to the reverberant sound field (as opposed to direct sound), phase differences ³wash out² as one is listening to the sum of the averaged energy * this makes left and right versions of ADP¹s a non issue. Listening tests have confirmed this.
Audibility of absolute phase has been shown to be just audible but this is only at low frequencies, and is has a low level of audibility. Please note that surround program content lacks low frequencies, and that ADP¹s are not designed as full bandwidth speakers but require a subwoofer for the lowest frequencies. I will point out that I have seen these questions being asked specifically about the ADP-590. Since it has a single direct radiator for the low/low-mid frequencies, only the mid and high frequencies are in dipole configuration. Since the wavelengths are quite short for the mid and high frequency drivers, even a theoretical argument for left/right matching has little merit for this model. [QUOTE]

Is there any tv stand that will house the CC-390 on the middle shelf?

I have been having a very hard time trying to find a tv stand for my 690 and I know that is 3" shorter than your 390.
Let us know if you find anything...

Here is what I received from Paradigm re: thier ADP's.

[QUOTE]Surround/rear speakers are meant to envelop the listener giving a feeling of being ³in the environment². While it is possible to create a sonic illusion of ³being there² using all direct radiators, we have found it to only be viable in a perfectly optimized room in a single sweet spot. Not too practical unless you like listening with your head in a vice. If there was significant on-axis energy to the sides or rear, the listener would localize that sound and disrupt the creation of the normal forward illusion of image.
We have found that in our listening tests, the adapted dipole provides the best answer for multi-channel surround sound. With our advanced data acquisition and analysis, we can create with our ADP¹s a reverberant energy field which is in complete harmony with the left, center, and right front speakers. Since the entire idea of an ADP is listening to the reverberant sound field (as opposed to direct sound), phase differences ³wash out² as one is listening to the sum of the averaged energy * this makes left and right versions of ADP¹s a non issue. Listening tests have confirmed this.
Audibility of absolute phase has been shown to be just audible but this is only at low frequencies, and is has a low level of audibility. Please note that surround program content lacks low frequencies, and that ADP¹s are not designed as full bandwidth speakers but require a subwoofer for the lowest frequencies. I will point out that I have seen these questions being asked specifically about the ADP-590. Since it has a single direct radiator for the low/low-mid frequencies, only the mid and high frequencies are in dipole configuration. Since the wavelengths are quite short for the mid and high frequency drivers, even a theoretical argument for left/right matching has little merit for this model. [QUOTE]

You forgot the backslash before the end of the quote i.e, /quote (but enclosed in brackets)

You should edit your post with that on the end to make it more readable.

By the way, I'm glad that we got a "real" answer from paradigm on this now. Whether others like it or not is another issue.

I just picked up a cc 570. Would it be ok to run v2 20's or v2 40's as my fronts with the 570 v3 or would they not be matched due to the different versions?

thanks.,,,,

You forgot the backslash before the end of the quote i.e, /quote (but enclosed in brackets)

You should edit your post with that on the end to make it more readable.

It's always something I did wrong on here.
I tried to quote it, but it didn't take it all for some reason. You seemed to read it fine so let's hope there rest of 'em are as smart.

I've turned my fan in another direction....

[QUOTE=Maximum7]Here is what I received from Paradigm re: thier ADP's.

You forgot the backslash before the end of the quote i.e, /quote (but enclosed in brackets)

Looks like you did the same?

i am getting ready to buy a plasma tv - i have the 570cc and want to put it in a cabinet which will hold the 60" plasma - from your experience how much will it effect the sound?

Bi-amping Paradigm speakers:

anyone bi amping Paradigm speakers? Please list what speakers to what amps.. I just upgraded to Monitor 11's V.5 and driving them with a Parsound Classic 125w amp..

I prefer bi-wiring with a decently powerful amp. I have v.4 11s bi-wired with some custom Canare cables running off a Crown XLS 402. I am very pleased.

-Eli

It's been a week since I emailed Paradigm about the identical ADP 590 V.4 "dipoles". No answer so far.

I thought that these models were the first dipoles that were not marked left and right. But someone mentioned that they have and earlier version (maybe a 470 or 450 - I can't find that post now) that weren't marked. Anyone else have ADP's earlier than the 590 that aren't marked left & right?

Ed

fyi...confirmed...my 470v3's are marked with a "right" and "left" sticker on the back.

Just ordered the cc-690 due to comments here. Can't wait for it to come! Now I just have to sell my barely used cc-570. Upgradeitis, gotta love it :)

fyi...confirmed...my 470v3's are marked with a "right" and "left" sticker on the back.Thanks for confirming. I believe that the 590's are the first that are not marked, but because someone posted to the contrary, it put some doubt in my mind. But I think that person might have deleted their post since I couldn't find it again. I'm also wondering whether all the other current ADPs are no longer mirror image pairs. I haven't seen any post commenting on the ADP 390 or the Sig ADPs.

Ed

Too bad you can't actually set up polls here. But as an informal poll, what are you using to drive your Studio 100's with?

lentiman]Too bad you can't actually set up polls here. But as an informal poll, what are you using to drive your Studio 100's with

Anthem MCA20 x 2

Too bad you can't actually set up polls here. But as an informal poll, what are you using to drive your Studio 100's with?

Rotel 1095 200 x 5

Works great for me, does it sound any different then any other medium to higher quality amp, I don't know... But I love what it has done for my setup !!

Warp

Too bad you can't actually set up polls here. But as an informal poll, what are you using to drive your Studio 100's with?

Sony STR-DA7ES. I am considering a not too distant future upgrade to the STR-DA7100ES. Does any one else have this combo and how does it sound?

Too bad you can't actually set up polls here. But as an informal poll, what are you using to drive your Studio 100's with?
integra 10.5 this has been my best set-up to date no complaints.

My audio equipment:

Yamaha RX-V540 6.1 receiver (80 watts/channel)
Mains = Monitor 7s v4
Centre = CC370
Surrounds = ADP370s
Rear Centre = PARAMS150R (in ceiling)
Subwoofer = SVS PB-10

My Room:
950sqft open concept basement.
Home Theater is in the center of this basement area and is about 14'x22', but again it is really in a 950sq ft basement area.

My questions:
1. Do I need to be worried if my receiver will damage my speakers at higher volume levels, given it's relatively lower watts/channel, or is it still powerful enough to not worry about that?

2. The receiver doesn't have an crossover adjustment, as it's hard set to 80mhz permanently. The SVS sub doesn't have an crossover knob adjustment either, only a volume and phase adjustment. Am I ok with this setup, or should I be looking at getting a receiver that allows me to adjust the crossover?

3. In the receiver's menu, should I be setting the main, centre and surround speakers to SMALL or LARGE?

4. Should I set the LFE level to be directed at just the Sub or to both the main speakers and the sub?

5. Should I set the impedence selector to the "minimum of 8ohms" side, or the "minimum of 4/6ohms" side?

Thanks in advance.

Can anyone help me with some of my questions?

I just picked up a cc 570. Would it be ok to run v2 20's or v2 40's as my fronts with the 570 v3 or would they not be matched due to the different versions?

thanks.,,,,

Anyone, please? Thanks.

FYI - your questions have not really been answered likely because most don't have anything to do with paradigm speakers specifically. The answers I'm going to give here are generic for any decent 5.1 speaker type setup:

1. Do I need to be worried if my receiver will damage my speakers at higher volume levels, given it's relatively lower watts/channel, or is it still powerful enough to not worry about that?
Any receiver/amp will damage a speaker if driven too hard into clipping. The lower the power of the amp, the more you need to worry. Learn to listen to your amp/speakers and notice the signs of clipping (compressed sound/etc).

2. The receiver doesn't have an crossover adjustment, as it's hard set to 80mhz permanently. The SVS sub doesn't have an crossover knob adjustment either, only a volume and phase adjustment. Am I ok with this setup, or should I be looking at getting a receiver that allows me to adjust the crossover?
80Hz is the perfect crossover point 95%+ of the time. There's a reason why they fixed it at 80Hz...

3. In the receiver's menu, should I be setting the main, centre and surround speakers to SMALL or LARGE?
SMALL for all speakers, regardless of size.

4. Should I set the LFE level to be directed at just the Sub or to both the main speakers and the sub?
Just the sub.

5. Should I set the impedence selector to the "minimum of 8ohms" side, or the "minimum of 4/6ohms" side?
I imagine your speakers are all nominal 8 ohms. Check the backs of them. See what it says.

kal

Anyone, please? Thanks.

Do you have a dedicated sub? I'd pick the 40's as I don't think the 20's work perform very well as mains.

Is there any tv stand that will house the CC-390 on the middle shelf?

MoneyMan, I have a CC-470, which is 9 1/16" high, whereas your 390 is 8 1/2" high, so it should easily fit where mine does.

Currently I have a VTI BL-503 which fits the CC470 quite well, and would also be wide enough to fit your center. (Although it did require cutting off the middle pole... you'll note that on the shelf below there is a middle pole. I'll add that I really like the look of the VTI stands, they're nice and solid and you can get the shelves, poles, and spikes in a couple different colors.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w4/bobbyg1983/WholeSystem1.jpg

Before I got the VTI stand, I had my center on a Bell'o stand which also fits the center channel quite well. This stand is a little narrower than the VTI, although Bell'o has a matching stand which is quite a bit wider.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w4/bobbyg1983/wholesystem1.jpg

Good luck finding something which suits you!

Nice looking system Rob, those cables would drive me nuts!

Ok, here goes:

Paradigm Reference Studio 40 (LF, RF)
Paradigm Reference Studio CC (C)
Paradigm Reference ADP-450 (LSS, RSS)
Paradigm Reference SA-25 Inwalls (Left/Right Back Surround)
Samsung HLP5685 56" DLP RPTV
B&K AVR507 S1 Receiver (Firmware 1.03)
Hsu Research VTF3-Mk2 sub
Oppo DV971H DVD Player (set to 720p output)
Samsung SIR-TS160 DirecTV HD tuner
Samsung HLP-5685 720p DLP HDTV

Everything was recently calibrated (audio and video) by Jeff Meier (umr on AVSForum) of AccuCal and I couldn't be happier. I'll be happy to share some pictures once the new Berklines get here in about a week and a half. :)

Regs,
Jeff

Do you have a dedicated sub? I'd pick the 40's as I don't think the 20's work perform very well as mains.

Yes, I have a HSU sub. But what I am really asking is can I mix different versions
in the front. I.e 40s v2 with cc 570 v3? Thanks.

I just picked up a cc 570. Would it be ok to run v2 20's or v2 40's as my fronts with the 570 v3 or would they not be matched due to the different versions?

thanks.,,,,

Do you already have the 20s or 40s or are you thinking of buying a used pair? If you're thinking of buying used, try to compare them before buying... bring your centre and a disk with pink noise. It's likely better to stay within the same version, but Paradigm has told people that subsequent versions of their speakers will match. If you don't notice a mismatch across the front, then don't worry. For rears it won't matter at all.

Good news :D (well I hope :p ), I just got a reply back from a Paradigm dealer in Toronto. I asked him if he has heard or seen any of the version 2 Sigs yet and he told me that they should be available mid april. :) . Im not 100% sure if this is true or not, but its the only date I have seen so far. Hopefully we will start seeing them in a few weeks :D

Good news :D (well I hope :p ), I just got a reply back from a Paradigm dealer in Toronto. I asked him if he has heard or seen any of the version 2 Sigs yet and he told me that they should be available mid april. :) . Im not 100% sure if this is true or not, but its the only date I have seen so far. Hopefully we will start seeing them in a few weeks :D

I was wondering myself when they would start to show... I would love to do an audition of the new Sig S6.

I was wondering myself when they would start to show... I would love to do an audition of the new Sig S6.


I heard they are shipping now! My dealer said he just got pricing and the new Sig V.2's are "in the barn." Not all models however. I just ordered my S6's Friday. I hope to have them in a week or 2. I have been waiting for this speaker a long time - as I believe from a balance perspective will be the best in the line.

On another note, I am struggling with which center to buy - the C3 or C5. I know most of you will say get the C5 if I can fit it and afford it. I can, I just don't know if I have enough power for it (MCA50) - or, if I really need it.

I heard they are shipping now! My dealer said he just got pricing and the new Sig V.2's are "in the barn." Not all models however. I just ordered my S6's Friday. I hope to have them in a week or 2. I have been waiting for this speaker a long time - as I believe from a balance perspective will be the best in the line.
Agreed! For an HT environment especially. This is what I was looking for when I wanted to upgrade my speakers last summer, but alas, the v.2's were not even announced at that point and I ended up getting the s8's instead. Had I known of the v2's, I would have likely waited and gotten the s6's instead.

On another note, I am struggling with which center to buy - the C3 or C5. I know most of you will say get the C5 if I can fit it and afford it. I can, I just don't know if I have enough power for it (MCA50) - or, if I really need it.IMHO, I'd put more money into the center than any other speaker. The C5 is fantastic.

kal

Had I known of the v2's, I would have likely waited and gotten the s6's instead.

Kal: Could you explain a little more about why you'd choose the S6's over the S8's for a home theater setup?

Agreed! For an HT environment especially. This is what I was looking for when I wanted to upgrade my speakers last summer, but alas, the v.2's were not even announced at that point and I ended up getting the s8's instead. Had I known of the v2's, I would have likely waited and gotten the s6's instead.

IMHO, I'd put more money into the center than any other speaker. The C5 is fantastic.

kal

Kal, I believe you and I come from the same school of sound. I think I need the c5 - I am just not sure putting 180 watts into it is enough??

Kal: Could you explain a little more about why you'd choose the S6's over the S8's for a home theater setup?While little's known about how the S6's sound, I'm assuming they'll be every bit as impressive as the rest of the Signature lignup. So with that in mind, in an HT setup all you really need to do is get a nice and flat sound down to 80Hz or so as the rest should be handled by a sub. This is why I feel the S8's are likely overkill for an HT setup. Actually, the S4's are likely going to be fine as well.

If 100% HT is your bag, then you're likely better doing something like S4's or S6's for the mains and spending the extra money on *two* subs (like the servo-15 or signature servo) - especially if your roomsize is big enough to warrant it. Much easier to flatten out a room's response with two subs.

I remember speaking to a Paradigm rep at one of the Montreal audio shows quite a few years ago and his recommendations (for an 100% HT) setup at the time was nothing higher than the Studio 40's for the main speakers. He said there really wasn't any point in going with something as large as the 100's if you were ALWAYS going to be using a sub for the sub-80Hz region.

I still did end up buying the S8's myself as I wanted floor-standing speakers (for other personal reasons) and had read that the S8s do have slightly different (ie: better) driver setup than the rest of the Signature series.

Kal, I believe you and I come from the same school of sound. I think I need the c5 - I am just not sure putting 180 watts into it is enough??Looking at paradigm's specs on the c3 vs the c5, the c5 is actually 1db more sensitive (ie: efficient) than the c3. If you're going to set either to 'small' and roll both off at around 80Hz (as you should), the fact the c5 goes deeper isn't an issue as the amp won't be driving the C5 harder. In the fact, the specs would say that the C5 should be easier to drive. Both sound fantastic however - the c5 is a better match for something like the S8 since both use the same midrange. I suggest listening to both and letting your ears decide.

kal

Agreed! For an HT environment especially. This is what I was looking for when I wanted to upgrade my speakers last summer, but alas, the v.2's were not even announced at that point and I ended up getting the s8's instead. Had I known of the v2's, I would have likely waited and gotten the s6's instead.


Maybe your dealer would be flexible about upgrading your equipment. Not that going from an S8 to a v2 S6 is upgrading, but hey... might be worth a talk with your Dealer.

Does anyone know list prices on the .V2 series?

Just bought the new .v4 studio's but those S6's are quite tempting and would be quite beautiful in Rosewood...

Warp

In the next 6 months or so I will be purchasing the 690cc. What kind (brand) of stand are most people going with? From the measurements it is quite large and will not fit under most television stands. I do not have a HDTV, but will soon be in the market for one. I would like to know how everyone is positioning their 690 with their system and if they are placing it under a TV stand or not? Is there a stand that supports the 690? I did not see anything on the Premier web-page.

Thanks for you replies!

Paradigm makes Stands... http://www.premier-av-furniture.com/

the J series is what you would be looking at I believe for the 690... Otherwise for now mine is parked directly under my 50" plasma until I make a support to match my console...

like this (--------------) plasma on top, 690 underneath...

:)

Warp

kind of a dumb question, what is the max volume you guys think a titan V4 could handle, and CC-170(movie watching) the loudest i have gone is about -15db on my reciever, kind of afraid to turn it up louder, not sure what little bookshelf speakers can handle :D (and i have them set to small in the amp settings)

A bigger, more expensive speaker will usually sound better, but I'd take issue with your claim that the 60's merely sound like $1,500 speakers while the 100's were in a much higher league. In fact, in a review a year or so ago, Kal Rubinson of Stereophile favorably compared the 60's to speakers costing almost 10 times that.
http://www.stereophile.com/budgetcomponents/1204paradigm/

Originally Posted by s2silber
A bigger, more expensive speaker will usually sound better, but I'd take issue with your claim that the 60's merely sound like $1,500 speakers while the 100's were in a much higher league. In fact, in a review a year or so ago, Kal Rubinson of Stereophile favorably compared the 60's to speakers costing almost 10 times that.

http://www.stereophile.com/budgetcomponents/1204paradigm/


My .02 worth.

People make assumptions in the following 3 ways when it comes to audio equipment and speakers:

1) "The bigger the speaker, the better the sound."
Not at all true. This is dependant upon your amp. For instance, if you own s8's, you better own a powerful amp to drive them, or you aren't really ever "hearing" them. The same is true for the studio 100's. The more drivers you have, the more power you need to move them all. If you are using a quality sub, your speakers are set to small, and you are crossing them over at 80Hz, the 4 woofers on the S8's become redundant for the most part useless. On the other hand, if you are an "audio purist," and listen to 2-channel (wihtout a sub), and you have enough amplification, the s8's maybe the ticket.

2) "I don't need a big amp. because I don't listen that loudly."
True bigger amps push the louder volume. But, bigger amps also more clearly define highs, mids, and lows at lower volumes. Also, there are obviously volume spikes alot in movies - car crashes, intense seens, etc. This is where I can personally tell when someone is using a quality amp. At these moments, the sound doesn't clip out, or hiss out, it stays clear and defined.

3) "I just have the speakers placed against the wall next to the TV."
Placement is extremely important. Speakers need to be away from the back wall (ideally at least 3 feet) - away from the side wal (Ideally at least 2 feet), and roughly 12 feet apart in most circumstances. You'd be amazed at what speaker placement can do to your system.

In the end, IMHO I believe the 3 most important sound components of a theater are the amps, center speaker, and sub. Just my .02 worth. - David

Originally Posted by s2silber
A bigger, more expensive speaker will usually sound better, but I'd take issue with your claim that the 60's merely sound like $1,500 speakers while the 100's were in a much higher league. In fact, in a review a year or so ago, Kal Rubinson of Stereophile favorably compared the 60's to speakers costing almost 10 times that.




My .02 worth.

People make assumptions in the following 3 ways when it comes to audio equipment and speakers:

1) "The bigger the speaker, the better the sound."
Not at all true. This is dependant upon your amp. For instance, if you own s8's, you better own a powerful amp to drive them, or you aren't really ever "hearing" them. The same is true for the studio 100's. The more drivers you have, the more power you need to move them all. If you are using a quality sub, your speakers are set to small, and you are crossing them over at 80Hz, the 4 woofers on the S8's become redundant for the most part useless. On the other hand, if you are an "audio purist," and listen to 2-channel (wihtout a sub), and you have enough amplification, the s8's maybe the ticket.

2) "I don't need a big amp. because I don't listen that loudly."
True bigger amps push the louder volume. But, bigger amps also more clearly define highs, mids, and lows at lower volumes. Also, there are obviously volume spikes alot in movies - car crashes, intense seens, etc. This is where I can personally tell when someone is using a quality amp. At these moments, the sound doesn't clip out, or hiss out, it stays clear and defined.

3) "I just have the speakers placed against the wall next to the TV."
Placement is extremely important. Speakers need to be away from the back wall (ideally at least 3 feet) - away from the side wal (Ideally at least 2 feet), and roughly 12 feet apart in most circumstances. You'd be amazed at what speaker placement can do to your system.

In the end, IMHO I believe the 3 most important sound components of a theater are the amps, center speaker, and sub. Just my .02 worth. - David
i would agree with all you said but the part about crossing it over at 80 and you would not notice the difference been there done that and yes
you will especially the larger the room the more the midbass.

Too bad you can't actually set up polls here. But as an informal poll, what are you using to drive your Studio 100's with?
Rotel RSX-1067, enough power in my opinion....... :)

Here's some pictures of the new Titan Monitors v.5:


Front speaker baffle showing the 7.5" woofer and tweeter:

http://home.comcast.net/~wje_pics/images/titan1.jpg



Back side of drivers:

http://home.comcast.net/~wje_pics/images/titan2.jpg



Picture of the meager crossover:

http://home.comcast.net/~wje_pics/images/titan3.jpg



Picture of the front baffle showing off the particle board (not MDf):

http://home.comcast.net/~wje_pics/images/titan4.jpg


While it does appear Paradigm does cut some corners on the component process, for a $499 speaker, it does sound actually quite good.

Does anyone know list prices on the .V2 series?


I think this is what you're looking for:

- Signature S2 Cherry $2000/pr Medium Sized Bookshelf, Optional Finishes at Higher Cost
- Signature S4 Cherry $2800/pr Large Bookshelf, Optional Finishes at Higher Cost
- Signature S8 Cherry $5700/pr Floorstanding, Optional Finishes at Higher Cost
- Signature ADP Cherry $2500/pr Surround Speaker, Optional Finishes at Higher Cost
- Signature C3 Cherry $1600 Center Channel, Optional Finishes at Higher Cost
- Signature C5 Cherry $2700 Center Channel, Optional Finishes at Higher Cost

Here's some pictures of the new Titan Monitors v.5:


Front speaker baffle showing the 7.5" woofer and tweeter:

http://home.comcast.net/~wje_pics/images/titan1.jpg



Back side of drivers:

http://home.comcast.net/~wje_pics/images/titan2.jpg



Picture of the meager crossover:

http://home.comcast.net/~wje_pics/images/titan3.jpg



Picture of the front baffle showing off the particle board (not MDf):

http://home.comcast.net/~wje_pics/images/titan4.jpg


While it does appear Paradigm does cut some corners on the component process, for a $499 speaker, it does sound actually quite good.
They cut costs, but actually came up with a more efficient and better sounding speaker, so who cares, sound is the bottom line, right? :)

They cut costs, but actually came up with a more efficient and better sounding speaker, so who cares, sound is the bottom line, right? :)
Agreed. But, in the end, I still opted for a new set of Monitor 5, v.4 speakers. A little bit better in the mid-range presence ... and, at a clearance price that was lower than the MSRP of Titan Monitor v.5.

Love my Paradigms!

Sony DA4ES receiver as processor
ATI 1505 amplifier
Denon 2200 for SACD and DVD audio
Sony dvd changer
Studio 60v3s
Studio cc470 center
ADP 170 surrounds ( next upgrade after Studio 60's)
2 PW2200's
I have the Studio 60's and the CC470. Want to get some surrounds but the over 1K price on the ADP 470s was a bit off-putting. How do you like the 170's and what was the price range? Thanks for any comments.

I have the Studio 60's and the CC470. Want to get some surrounds but the over 1K price on the ADP 470s was a bit off-putting. How do you like the 170's and what was the price range? Thanks for any comments.


There's a white pair of ADP470v3s on the Audiogon right now...

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I think this is what you're looking for:

- Signature S2 Cherry $2000/pr Medium Sized Bookshelf, Optional Finishes at Higher Cost
- Signature S4 Cherry $2800/pr Large Bookshelf, Optional Finishes at Higher Cost
- Signature S8 Cherry $5700/pr Floorstanding, Optional Finishes at Higher Cost
- Signature ADP Cherry $2500/pr Surround Speaker, Optional Finishes at Higher Cost
- Signature C3 Cherry $1600 Center Channel, Optional Finishes at Higher Cost
- Signature C5 Cherry $2700 Center Channel, Optional Finishes at Higher Cost

thanks... and Signature S6 v.2 ($4500-$5100/pair, depending on finish)

now that I found that other post...

Just bought an open box cc690 and it's AWESOME so far and I'm not missing my cc570 now :) One question, are the speaker feet supposed to be silver as my cc690 is ash black? Plz advise.

The speaker feet are the color of the kick plate and top plate on the L/R speakers.
I think it's like a greyish+pewterish+greenish+colorish...?

Sounds right then. I have studio 60's v.3 so their kickplates are black. The feet on the cc690 I rec'd look kinda metallic/silverish. Must be correct unless I hear different from someone here. Thanks!

Sounds right then. I have studio 60's v.3 so their kickplates are black. The feet on the cc690 I rec'd look kinda metallic/silverish. Must be correct unless I hear different from someone here. Thanks!

So the 690 blends in fine with your 60v3s? (another 60v3 owner here :))

Sounds right then. I have studio 60's v.3 so their kickplates are black. The feet on the cc690 I rec'd look kinda metallic/silverish. Must be correct unless I hear different from someone here. Thanks!

Yup.... All Studio .v4 are that Silver-ish grey plastic... Too bad they aren't a metal, like a brushed nickel.. now that would be cool...

Yep, I emailed Paradigm before buying it and it's timber matched with the v.3's and sounds awesome. Much better soundstage up front. I'm VERY happy with it.

Yep, I emailed Paradigm before buying it and it's timber matched with the v.3's and sounds awesome. Much better soundstage up front. I'm VERY happy with it.

Great news!

And holy ****! is the box big. It looks similar to the box that held my studio 60. This is a HUGE center channel...

Must be correct unless I hear different from someone here.

What am I? Chopped liver? Look on their website you can see the color. They even talk about it.

The 690 timber matched to V.3 60's? I don't know about matched, but it should work ok. It will, at the least, be clearer in the mids and smoother in the highs.

Per Gary Takeda at Paradigm, they're timber matched. Thanks for the feet info.

Timbre, guys, please. Matching timber is easy; just order the same finish.

LOL, true true. Timbre it is :)

Per Gary Takeda at Paradigm, they're timber matched. Thanks for the feet info.Give me a break. Maybe they are and maybe they're not. But do you really expect Paradigm to tell you otherwise? Look at the stunt they're pulling with the dipole surounds.

Ed

Give me a break. Maybe they are and maybe they're not. But do you really expect Paradigm to tell you otherwise? Look at the stunt they're pulling with the dipole surounds.

Ed

Why don't you spend less time bitchin about those dipole surrounds, and go listen to some music or watch a movie. You could always show us all how much better you could build some surrounds, and we'll all buy them from you.. :confused:

Give me a break. Maybe they are and maybe they're not. But do you really expect Paradigm to tell you otherwise? Look at the stunt they're pulling with the dipole surounds.

Ed

Well yes I was told the same thing, old and new are timbre matched, but the latter is "new and improved" :D So go figure.

Like I stated before in your other thread, I experimented with some phase tests on several discs I own, and could not heard a difference. IMHO, they are not pulling a "stunt" with the decision with their surrounds, it's just a decision they feel isn't important with their current speaker. Don’t like it, chose another speaker. (BTW, do YOU any own Paradigms? :confused: )

As far as matching old with new, it's real simple. Just bring home a demo model of the new speaker one plans on buying, and compare them to the existing ones being used. If your Paradigm dealer won't let you do this, THEN you shouldn’t have bought Paradigm. It's not always just about the speaker, but also dealer support. That's one of the reasons why I chose Paradigm.

Anyone have a pic of a cc-570 (black) that I can have? I need to sell mine on ebay and my digital camera is broken :(