I'm not a lawyer, but maybe someone can explain why this practice is not considered price-fixing?

Price fixing involves multiple companies, not one company. A company can fix its own prices all it wants.

Actually, no it can't. Nintendo in the late 80's early 90s got in plenty of trouble because they threatend to pull video games from stores if they didn't sell them at a certain price point...amazing how much stock Toys R' Us sold back then and they never offered anything even a dollar or two less than $49.99. While you think this would be good for stores, it actually hurts those that can afford to mark down and drive up volume, which hurts the consumer. The manufacturer can not dictate to retail how much the retail markup is...that's why MSRP is Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price.


Now, for the real reason I'm here. I've become very intrigued by the Studio line and am planning on going and looking at them at a dealer near me. Is the Studio line on the cusp of a version change, or did they move to v4 recently?

Actually, no it can't. Nintendo in the late 80's early 90s got in plenty of trouble because they threatend to pull video games from stores if they didn't sell them at a certain price point...amazing how much stock Toys R' Us sold back then and they never offered anything even a dollar or two less than $49.99. While you think this would be good for stores, it actually hurts those that can afford to mark down and drive up volume, which hurts the consumer. The manufacturer can not dictate to retail how much the retail markup is...that's why MSRP is Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price.


Now, for the real reason I'm here. I've become very intrigued by the Studio line and am planning on going and looking at them at a dealer near me. Is the Studio line on the cusp of a version change, or did they move to v4 recently?

V4 just came out I beleive. I've demo'd some and many v3 are being marked down at the places I was at.

Great! If I could get v3s with stands for about a grand I think I'll be a happy camper. But I still need to go do the listening, can't let all the reading I've been doing about them go to my head.

Hello,

Im using the Cinema 330's as Surrounds in my 5.1 (85% ht, 15% 5.1 concerts).

Am i ok with my Xover set to 80hz still or should i bump it a bit to 90hz (Opinions please)? It seems if they are used as L/C/R the Xover would/should be set much higher.

L/C/R= Monitor v5 9's and cc-290

Thanks

Hello,

Im using the Cinema 330's as Surrounds in my 5.1 (85% ht, 15% 5.1 concerts).

Am i ok with my Xover set to 80hz still or should i bump it a bit to 90hz (Opinions please)? It seems if they are used as L/C/R the Xover would/should be set much higher.

My equipment is listed under my public profile.

Thanks


Speakers are rated 120Hz–20kHz

Im not sure I would really worry about it too much... cross it at what they are rated at... otherwise as surrounds, I don't think it will matter too much... the fronts and centers will take most of the abuse..

Hey Everyone,
Im new to HT. I was wondering what are some good paradigm speakers that will match my Sony STR-V444ES reciever? My room is 17'x14' Thanks in advance!

the studio 20v4 would work great with that rec providing you run a good sub.
but really you need to go demo their line to make sure.

Picked up my C5 today from the dealer. I hooked it up and WOW! What a great sounding center channel. So good, I am now listening to 2-channel stereo now in "3-channel." This is also an absolutely beautiful speaker and passed the WAF...barely, but did only because of its looks!

Current setup is as follows:

Pre/Pro and Amps:
Anthem AVM-50
MCA 20
MCA 50 (soon to be replaced with probably an Anthem P5)

Speakers:
System Audio 3070 (soon to be replaced with either s6's or s8's)
C5
Sig ADP's (side surrounds)
2 SA35's in the ceiling in the rear

Monitors:
Mitsubishi 73" DLP (WD73927)
Epson Powerlite 1080P Overhead Projector

My theater is setup such that when I want to watch a "big" movie or sporting event - I drop the screen in fromt of the Mits. It really is a great setup because usually I watch the TV, but it's great to have the overhead too! My last house just had the overhead, and I found myself very infrequently using my HT and watching normal television on my 42" plasma in the family room.

Congrats ddimbrerio.... I am truly jealous... I wanted to get my hands on the sigs... just couldn't get near them, both in price as well as a place to listen.... ;(

My next budget for Home theater will be much larger... but will be a few years.
Sounds like you have a marvelous setup, and will for a long time to come... you must have a nice relationship with your dealer with all that paradigm/anthem equipment....

Congrats ddimbrerio.... I am truly jealous... I wanted to get my hands on the sigs... just couldn't get near them, both in price as well as a place to listen.... ;(

My next budget for Home theater will be much larger... but will be a few years.
Sounds like you have a marvelous setup, and will for a long time to come... you must have a nice relationship with your dealer with all that paradigm/anthem equipment....


Yep I have bought alot of stuff from him over the years...probably make me sick if I added it all up. But my dealer happens to be one of my best friends (seriously).

Anyone know any hi end stereo shops that carry Paradigm in the Bay Area?

Anyone know any hi end stereo shops that carry Paradigm in the Bay Area?

http://www.paradigm.com/Website/Dealers/Dealers.html

SAN FRANCISCO
2295 BUSH STREET


SAN FRANCISCO
2847 CALIFORNIA STREET

Hope this helps.

so anybody got any thoughts on which center channel series i should use with the older 7semk3s floorstanders?

so anybody got any thoughts on which center channel series i should use with the older 7semk3s floorstanders?Find yourself an older cc-450 or something similar on Audiogon or E-bay, thats what I used with my 7's and it worked just fine or a center from the monitor line which would be the closest to what you have........

so anybody got any thoughts on which center channel series i should use with the older 7semk3s floorstanders?

I though we covered this a few pages back?

Try looking on ebay for a CC- 370 which will match great or maybe something from the new monitor series like the new 190 or 290, which won't match quite as close as the 370.

Good luck.

I though we covered this a few pages back?

Try looking on ebay for a CC- 370 which will match great or maybe something from the new monitor series like the new 190 or 290, which won't match quite as close as the 370.

Good luck.We did, but I thought I would give him one more chance. :rolleyes:

Anyone know any hi end stereo shops that carry Paradigm in the Bay Area?

I bought from Bay Area Audio (www.bayareaaudio.com) They have a nice setup.

I though we covered this a few pages back?

Try looking on ebay for a CC- 370 which will match great or maybe something from the new monitor series like the new 190 or 290, which won't match quite as close as the 370.

Good luck.
i was looking for any and all opinions..thats all

I though we covered this a few pages back?

LOL... every question posted here was probably answered "a few pages back". But no one wants to spend a week reading all 143 pages! (and I don't blame them) :D

LOL... every question posted here was probably answered "a few pages back". But no one wants to spend a week reading all 143 pages! (and I don't blame them) :D

Using the "Search" doesn't require all that reading. ;)

...Angelo

Are the new V.5 Monitors made in China?

LOL... every question posted here was probably answered "a few pages back". But no one wants to spend a week reading all 143 pages! (and I don't blame them)

Not trying to be mean, but he asked the question previously on page 141, and got several answers.

Now I will try to qualify mine....

I have owned Paradigm since 1994. The 7semk3 were my first speakers. I had them for 10 years. I have used the CC-200 with them, then moved to a CC-350, then lastly used a CC-370. They all "matched" great. Each CC bettered what it replaced with the smallest (almost negligible) difference between the 350 and 370. When I moved to the Studio line and bought the CC-470, it's sound was a whole different ball game. At least to me, in my room. I didn't get to use it with the 7's, as I sold everything as a set when I "Studio'd", but the sound was different. I didn't like the 470 and switched to the 570 which was much cleaner to me and actually if you had to choose between those two for your 7's, would be the better "match" imho.
Now I have the 690 and can't find a stand for it and who cares cause that is irrelevant..
So my recommendation if you're gonna keep the 7's for some time, is to try and find a CC0-350 or 370 for the best "match" as the Studio line to me is a different ball game especially in price. Or try something from the new monitor line.

Good luck.

So I got to go listen to the Studio 60's today. They were the V3 version though... and the price another dealer quoted me on V4's is low enough, that I wouldnt want to save the few hundred and settle with the V3s (and the centre with the v3 was a 470... looked a little small too me).

The setup he had was basically Studio 60v3 fronts, 470 centres, studio 20v3 rears, and an ultracube10 sub. It was being played though a decent looking Denon DVD player (retail was over $500) and a sweet looking amp.

The bass with this setup was pretty much non existant (realtively). Even when I turned the volume all the way up on the sub... it was pale in comparison to my PS1000. So I feel a bit dissapointed that I couldnt audition them with a proper sub (or maybe my expectationa are way out in left field.. i guess I felt when listening to Primus, some of the low notes shoud be shaking my insides... and i previwed Monsters Inc DVD which I am familiar with from home, and at home some parts shake me... the ultracube had nothing). I

listend to music is stereo with the sub. I took in some deeper bass stuff like Primus... and while the 60's sounded really awesome, I was definitely wanting for more bass. Again this could be in the setup and all.

I still didnt get what I wanted, which was to audition the 60's with the 590 centre and much better sub.. (was thinking PW2200, or may try an SVS cylinder) so I dont know what to think. If I am being honest with myself, it didnt sound all that much better than my current set up ... definitely tough to justify spending $3000+


Got me thinking as war as WAF is concerned... what about the Millenia series, and a pair of SVS cylinders... could I get 95% of the Studio performance out of that?

And why dont I see a centre channel for the Millenia?

Not trying to be mean.....if you say so

If the Millenia series uses the studio drivers, you'd likely get the same midrange and treble response... not sure what they cost (what's the price premium for the funky cylinders?). Pair them with SVS cylinders and it should sound great. I think you can get a small discount if you buy two of the SVS subs, but I suggest you ask if you can get a discount when you buy the second sub, so that you can get one and then decide whether you need the second.

So I got to go listen to the Studio 60's today.

Got me thinking as war as WAF is concerned... what about the Millenia series, and a pair of SVS cylinders... could I get 95% of the Studio performance out of that?

And why dont I see a centre channel for the Millenia?


I personally would suggest that you don't worry all that much about listening with a sub at first... stress those speakers out to see what they can handle. To me I wanted to hear what kind of clarity the speakers would produce and all the characteristics that they have or don't... If you have a sub, it will cover up the what the speakers are doing or not doing.... I always wanted to listen to see when they were starting to break up. I usually went over to any sub that was in the room to check to make sure it wasn't on.... 9 out of 10 times, they won't have a sub that will compare to what us fanatics are used to, unless of course they have a Servo 15v2..

I highly doubt that the Millenia would even come close to the studios. But they are pretty.

The Studio 60 is nice looking (IMHO)... small footprint, nice fake finish.

Looking for opinions here between the ADP-170 V4 vs. Mini Monitor V4 as surround speakers in a 5.1 set up. The ADP-170s have a 3/4" tweeter and 5 1/2" bass/mid driver. The Mini Monitors have a 1" tweeter and 6 1/2" bass/mid driver. I know there's more specs to compare, but figure most Paradigm fans would know all this info already.

I already have the CC-470 V3 and am in the market for Studio 60s for fronts next. ADP-470s V4(?) retail $1100 and my local Paradigm dealer is selling them for "only" $900. I would rather not pay that amount for surround speakers though.

Anyway I'm torn between these two as surround speakers and would like opinions on which one I should get...or am I making a mistake by not going w/ ADP-470s? TIA.

If you can buy used, there are a couple of better choices on Audiogon right now.

If your dealer has ADP470s, they are v3s.

Looking for opinions here between the ADP-170 V4 vs. Mini Monitor V4 as surround speakers in a 5.1 set up. The ADP-170s have a 3/4" tweeter and 5 1/2" bass/mid driver. The Mini Monitors have a 1" tweeter and 6 1/2" bass/mid driver. I know there's more specs to compare, but figure most Paradigm fans would know all this info already.

I already have the CC-470 V3 and am in the market for Studio 60s for fronts next. ADP-470s V4(?) retail $1100 and my local Paradigm dealer is selling them for "only" $900. I would rather not pay that amount for surround speakers though.

Anyway I'm torn between these two as surround speakers and would like opinions on which one I should get...or am I making a mistake by not going w/ ADP-470s? TIA.

I have gone through the evaluation scenario recently. It becomes almost overwhelming until you decide your REAL intent with the system your assembling.

I decided the HT system was going to be for JUST- I emphasis JUST for TV/DVD watching and, nothing more.

My main/primary music system is in another room and weighs in at over $20k.
So, I would be unable to compete $$$ to duplicate a HT system of the same caliber sonically. NOr would it be prudent for TV watching.

I settled on Mini Monitor V5 for fronts, Atom V5 for rears and CC290 for center.

The new Mini's V5 compete sonically very nicely against my audiophile vintage Rogers Ls5/3a, which are considered among the best mini monitors ever made.

That being the basis for my decision to use them in my limited space HT system. They image very well, sound good with about everything I threw at them.

Thus if they meet the needs of a front channel demand, they will exceed the demands of a rear channel, make sense?

The ADP-170 v4 (new model is ADP -190 v5) is designed to be hung on a wall. Do you really want to do that? Isn't the wire going to just hang down?

I just got my pair ofMillenia 200's in and look great. Definately more than I originally planned on spending. Thats what creates my dilema

Since I got such great fronts I REALLY want to match them in the rest of the system. I can't afford to use millenia's as surrounds for space and monetary reasons. I still need a sunb as well so I have been looking at other speaker sets. At the top of my list are Def. Tech. MYTHOS Gems satellites, a Def. Tech. ProCinema system, Klipsch RSX-4/5 satellites , and Klipsch Quintet II's.

I'm pretty sure the RSX-4/5 satellites are the only Reference speakers, like the Millenia's,so does that mean they are the only speakers that will match the 200's? If not how well would the other speakers do? I've also heard a lot about timbre matching your speakers and I dont know how you do that.

And what about the Sub? Is it good to buy the speaker sets like the Quintets or ProCinema w/ included sub or is it better to get separate satellites w/ a different sub? I have been looking at Hsu, SVS, and ONix from AV123, mainly the onix x-sub because of the low price.

I would mostly use this system for movies/TV but i would play music from time to time. My room is about 15x20 w/ very high 16 ft cathedral ceiling and an open back wall that leads into my kitchen.

Paradigm's site was updated somewhere in the last few hours.

Millenia 20 Trio now showing but hard to navigate back and forth for ADP's. Click on Surrounds for them.

Glad they finally updated Recommended systems with Millenia.



ps. Wonder what the lead time is on the Trio. My Millenia 20's took close to four weeks to come into my dealer who said it would take 2 1/2. :o(

Paradigm's site was updated somewhere in the last few hours.


Yeah but no new signature info :( The site is much nicer then the old one though.

Yeah... interesting/different way to layout the site, the old site was kinda a pain.....
And as far as new news on the Sigs... It took them 6 months to get the .v4 Studio info up on their site... How retarded is that... :)

Anyone using Crown amps with their Paradigms? Which ones and what do you think of them?

Hi guys and gals! I've been lurking on these forums for about a year now and have decided to go with Paradigm's for my home theatre. I do a considerate amount movie viewing through dvd's and my Shaw box right now and will hopefully update to a blu-ray player in the near future. My room in 14x8x24 and I have decided to go with the following:

studio 100's
cc-690
adp-590
and I already own a VTF-3 HO

What I need help on is the receiver and if I need an amp. I have no idea what an amp is...if you guys have any good links which explain it please post them. I am willing to spend around $11000 for the whole system. Please let me know what you guys and gals think about my situation and how I could improve it.

I am not one of those free advice people you might find on this forum. I am here to stay and want to learn more about home theatre technologies.

Hi guys and gals! I've been lurking on these forums for about a year now and have decided to go with Paradigm's for my home theatre. I do a considerate amount movie viewing through dvd's and my Shaw box right now and will hopefully update to a blu-ray player in the near future. My room in 14x8x24 and I have decided to go with the following:

studio 100's
cc-690
adp-590
and I already own a VTF-3 HO

What I need help on is the receiver and if I need an amp. I have no idea what an amp is...if you guys have any good links which explain it please post them. I am willing to spend around $11000 for the whole system. Please let me know what you guys and gals think about my situation and how I could improve it.

I am not one of those free advice people you might find on this forum. I am here to stay and want to learn more about home theatre technologies.


Jeepers... you really don't need to spend that much on this stuff...
I basically have the same setup, 100's 690, 20's rear. I got those for 10% off list.
I use a Pioneer Elite 81 for my Pre-Pro, I got that for $700.00 and I bought a Rotel 1095 200x5 wpc amp, and got that used for $1200.00.
I gets LOUD and is very Clean. There aren't very many people that can tolerate how loud this system goes... There are obviously other ways you can go that would be more expensive, but thats up to you...
If you dying to spend that money like its burning a hole in your pocket, you could always look at a Anthem Statement Pre-Pro $6,699.00, and a high power amp, not that the rotel is a slouch...

I would really suggest that you use a High power amp, those speakers really come to life with a good amp. and Im sure you could easily get lots of suggestions here on this board.
Head on over to the receiver/amp section and have a look around or post a question "Idea's for Receiver/Pre-Pro and AMP" You'll get plenty of hits.
I am using the Pioneer as a Pre/Pro until HDMI issues get worked out, and then I will spend some money on that. That way I can use the amp and not have to change it, and just change out the inexpensive reciever.

Also, It took me 6 months to gather up all my stuff getting the right deals.
You don't have to do it all at once.

http://statement.anthemav.com/HTML/Products/D2/D2.html

But honestly, I really think it can be done cheaper.
Oh BTW, there's nothing wrong with free advice... when one has nothing to gain, more often the advice given is more apt to be honest....
Good luck

Just have a quick question reguarding the new V5 Monitors. I am just about to go and buy a pair of titans,cc290,and now I have a question about my surrounds. What would be better,a pair of mini monitors or a pair of ADP-390's? I am in an apartment,so everything is going to be placed on stands.

Hey Paradigm updated its website Bout time

If you can buy used, there are a couple of better choices on Audiogon right now.

If your dealer has ADP470s, they are v3s.

Okay, they're the V3s then at my dealer, I couldn't remember.

As for Audiogon, I visited that site several times and that's where I saw a pair of new Mini Monitors V4. I saw the ADP-170s V4 on eBay and was outbidded yesterday. Oh well. Thanks.

I have gone through the evaluation scenario recently. It becomes almost overwhelming until you decide your REAL intent with the system your assembling.

I decided the HT system was going to be for JUST- I emphasis JUST for TV/DVD watching and, nothing more.

My main/primary music system is in another room and weighs in at over $20k.
So, I would be unable to compete $$$ to duplicate a HT system of the same caliber sonically. NOr would it be prudent for TV watching.

I settled on Mini Monitor V5 for fronts, Atom V5 for rears and CC290 for center.

The new Mini's V5 compete sonically very nicely against my audiophile vintage Rogers Ls5/3a, which are considered among the best mini monitors ever made.

That being the basis for my decision to use them in my limited space HT system. They image very well, sound good with about everything I threw at them.

Thus if they meet the needs of a front channel demand, they will exceed the demands of a rear channel, make sense?

The ADP-170 v4 (new model is ADP -190 v5) is designed to be hung on a wall. Do you really want to do that? Isn't the wire going to just hang down?


Over $20K in your main room? Wow!

I was outbidded for the ADP-170s yesterday on eBay and besides...I didn't want to mount the surrounds on the wall, most likely they'll be on stands. So, I'm kinda glad I didn't win them.

Also, after reading your advice on how the Mini Monitors met your expectations for fronts, so they'll definitely exceed mine as surrounds, that was enough for me to pull the trigger on these. I ended up buying a new pair of Mini Monitors V4 from Audiogon. I spoke w/ the seller and we agreed on a price of $340 shipped/insurance included. I think that's a good deal and they're just for surround speakers which I don't mind buying outside the Studio series as long as I stay w/in Paradigm.

Thanks for the detailed advice.

Okay, they're the V3s then at my dealer, I couldn't remember.

As for Audiogon, I visited that site several times and that's where I saw a pair of new Mini Monitors V4. I saw the ADP-170s V4 on eBay and was outbidded yesterday. Oh well. Thanks.

Well, actually I was refering to the pair of ADPs, which are the Studio v2 version of the dipole, and a pair of Studio 20v3s, which would work great if you can place them with enough distance away from the listening area... doesn't matter now I guess :)

Well, actually I was refering to the pair of ADPs, which are the Studio v2 version of the dipole, and a pair of Studio 20v3s, which would work great if you can place them with enough distance away from the listening area... doesn't matter now I guess :)

These are nice, but a little out of the price range I'm willing to spend for surround speakers.

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrmoni&1182204337 ($650)

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrmoni&1182013313 ($550)

These are the ones you're talking about, right?

Hey all. I'm heading off to college next year and was interested in a stereo system, then upgrading over the next few years to 5.1 surround. Anyways, I listened to some of the monitors (forget the model name) at a store and they sounded very nice. Of course, the only speakers I had to compare them to were my cheap Onkyo htib stock speakers and the bose speakers that came before the onkyo. :rolleyes:

But anyway, for a guy heading off to college, relatively new to audio:
1. Is there any noticeable difference between the new paradigm atoms vs. the mini monitors/titans? Keep in mind that I'm somewhat on a budget and will hopefully acquire a sub sometime in the near future. I'd say 70% HT and 30% music.
2. How is the center channel with dialogue?
3. Would you recommend the monitor surrounds or just buying a pair of atoms?
4. Is the Yamaha (I was thinking the VX 661) a good match with Paradigms?

Lots of questions ... but thanks in advance for any advice!

Thanks for the response warp. I actually went out today and listened to the whole v4 reference line and was amazed at the sound quaility. Unfortunately the sub setup was not the best. My VTF- 3 HO should do way better. The speakers were hooked upto a Pioneer Elite 80 and also an amp but I hadn't read your response then and didn't care to look over as I was too amazed at the sound! But I did talk to the sales rep and he said he could definately work out a good deal for me. The more I buy the better. I looked and compared the Pioneer elite line again and have decided the 82 should do me fine for now. But I am a bit concerned and wanted to know more about the HDMI issues you are facing. About the amp...I think i'm going to just go with the speakers and receiver for now and wait till I get a good deal on one.

These are the ones you're talking about, right?

Yep.

Thanks for the response warp. I actually went out today and listened to the whole v4 reference line and was amazed at the sound quaility. Unfortunately the sub setup was not the best. My VTF- 3 HO should do way better. The speakers were hooked upto a Pioneer Elite 80 and also an amp but I hadn't read your response then and didn't care to look over as I was too amazed at the sound! But I did talk to the sales rep and he said he could definately work out a good deal for me. The more I buy the better. I looked and compared the Pioneer elite line again and have decided the 82 should do me fine for now. But I am a bit concerned and wanted to know more about the HDMI issues you are facing. About the amp...I think i'm going to just go with the speakers and receiver for now and wait till I get a good deal on one.

Good luck with your dealer, sounds like a good guy already... These HDMI issues are what everyone is having to deal with, Ultimately its not a deal breaker, but they do have some work to get through in pulling all the strings together in what they want with HDMI and future.... so alot of people here are waiting for HDMI 1.3, such as PCM audio issues, and handshake issues. There are a couple of Sticky threads at the top of "amps & receivers" area here....
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=738511
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=789994

I personally will be waiting for some issues to be fixed & newer products released before I buy a Pre/Pro, which is why I went with the Pioneer Elite 81, It offers me what I needed at a cheap price. I am extrememly happy with this receiver for doing my video switching, and the 82 offers a bit more power and the scaler, and should serve you well, if you listen at reference levels quite often, you might like to think about upgrading to a seperate amp later.. It made a improvement in the sound quality of my system.

There are newer generation scalers coming out which is another reason I was waiting on.... some receivers out there that do the scaling, introduce artifacts into the picture. I didn't really need the scaler, as Im happy with the picture Im getting now and I don't have a 1080p plasma... I like the idea of seperates, so I can stick with my large power amp and upgrade my pre/pro on the fly.

Good luck my friend... Its a fun hobby...

Also, after reading your advice on how the Mini Monitors met your expectations for fronts, so they'll definitely exceed mine as surrounds, that was enough for me to pull the trigger on these. I ended up buying a new pair of Mini Monitors V4 from Audiogon. I spoke w/ the seller and we agreed on a price of $340 shipped/insurance included. I think that's a good deal and they're just for surround speakers which I don't mind buying outside the Studio series as long as I stay w/in Paradigm.

Just an update. I did some measurments yesterday and the Mini Monitors are too big/bulky for the area where I'll put them. I'm either looking at ADP-190s or possibly Cinema ADPs (haven't decided whether I want wall-mounted surrounds or not). At least the seller at Audiogon was understanding on me cancelling my purchase and is looking to get me prices on the ADPs.

Any takers? :)

I currently have Mini Monitor V.4 as fronts and ADP-170 V.3 for rears but I was really considering upgrading to Studio 20 fronts and selling the ADPs and using the Mini's are rears or vice-versa. My question is which ones should I get rid of? I love the Mini's but I dont know how effective they will be as surrounds, especially since the listening area (the sofa) is up against the back wall. Would the Mini's still be effective firing in at an angle, towards the center of the room?

STUDIO 100 V3
CC 570
ADP 470 (SIDE AND REARS)
SVS PB12 PLUS 2

ANTHEM D1 (D2 ON ORDER)
A2 & A5
HD A2 DVD
59 AVI DVD
HTPC (COLLINS CUSTOM ELECTRONICS)
PS3 (NEW TODAY)
SHARP XV-Z12000 (RS-1 ON ORDER)
12' WIDE DA-LITE HP 2.40AR SCREEN

Room is completely accousticly treated.

Better update my setup as it changes yearly lol

Panasonic th50phd7uy 50" plasma
outlaw 990 pre/pro
Outlaw 7125 7.1 channel amp
Paradigm Studio 60's v.3
Paradigm Cc-690
Paradigm adp-490's (4) for rear and back surrounds
Toshiba HD-XA2 Hd dvd player
Panasonic BD10 BluRay player
SVS PB12Plus/2 Sub

I'm really loving this setup. I can only forsee upgrading to an hdmi 1.3 pre/pro later this year...

Better update my setup as it changes yearly lol

Panasonic th50phd7uy 50" plasma
outlaw 990 pre/pro
Outlaw 7125 7.1 channel amp
Paradigm Studio 60's v.3
Paradigm Cc-690
Paradigm adp-490's (4) for rear and back surrounds
Toshiba HD-XA2 Hd dvd player
Panasonic BD10 BluRay player
SVS PB12Plus/2 Sub

I'm really loving this setup. I can only forsee upgrading to an hdmi 1.3 pre/pro later this year...

So what Pre/Pro have you been thinking of, or are you just waiting to see what comes out... Im using a Pioneer Elite 81 for my temp pre pro, and was hoping for more news, but there isn't alot of info flying about on new up 'n coming things yet...

I too want to get something better, but Im thinking it might not happen until the middle of next year... as slow as companies are to get on the train...

I'm good for now and in no hurry. I want one that does EVERYTHING and will wait for all reviews to come in. I'm looking at pioneer elite (if they make a prepro?), Outlaw, Anthem, etc.

SO I bought the whole reference series today for about 18% off retail. Just got to decide on the receiver and although I had my mind set on the elite 82, I just found out about the Yamaha 2700. Also, the sales person said he would give me a deal on any of the pioneer receivers so i'm back to fence sitting again.

The speakers should be here next week or the week after; can't wait! One last problem for me though...I was not here when the speaker cable was installed in the walls of my theatre room (was going to college away from home) and those dumbasses installed 16 guage wire. That is not going to cut it for the 100's and the 690 but I wanted to know if the adp590's would be okay on it.

.

I'm surprised and a bit disappointed that I didn't hear from any Paradigm owners ... perhaps I need to look elsewhere to find answers to my questions? :confused:

I'm surprised and a bit disappointed that I didn't hear from any Paradigm owners ... perhaps I need to look elsewhere to find answers to my questions? :confused:
the questions you ask are user preference what did you find when you listened
as far as myself not responding i chose the studio series all the way so i could not
give you an accurate description of the difference as to my ears would have gone
the sigs if the budget would have permitted .

I'm surprised and a bit disappointed that I didn't hear from any Paradigm owners ... perhaps I need to look elsewhere to find answers to my questions? :confused:

Would like to help but I have never listened atoms or minis. Sorry.

Haven't posted in a while, but I'm still looking to either buy or sell a single Studio 20 v3 in black ash. I bought a pair from a guy over at Audioholics and UPS lost one of the speakers in transit. I've checked with Paradigm and my local dealers, but nobody has a single available. The one I have is in perfect condition with box and materials and the price is negotiable. I'd prefer to find a single to purchase, but I'm willing to part with the one I have if somebody can use it.

Thanks,

J.

Haven't posted in a while, but I'm still looking to either buy or sell a single Studio 20 v3 in black ash. I bought a pair from a guy over at Audioholics and UPS lost one of the speakers in transit. I've checked with Paradigm and my local dealers, but nobody has a single available. The one I have is in perfect condition with box and materials and the price is negotiable. I'd prefer to find a single to purchase, but I'm willing to part with the one I have if somebody can use it.

Thanks,

J.
how much if you sell.

Hey all. I'm heading off to college next year and was interested in a stereo system, then upgrading over the next few years to 5.1 surround. Anyways, I listened to some of the monitors (forget the model name) at a store and they sounded very nice. Of course, the only speakers I had to compare them to were my cheap Onkyo htib stock speakers and the bose speakers that came before the onkyo. :rolleyes:

But anyway, for a guy heading off to college, relatively new to audio:
1. Is there any noticeable difference between the new paradigm atoms vs. the mini monitors/titans? Keep in mind that I'm somewhat on a budget and will hopefully acquire a sub sometime in the near future. I'd say 70% HT and 30% music.
2. How is the center channel with dialogue?
3. Would you recommend the monitor surrounds or just buying a pair of atoms?
4. Is the Yamaha (I was thinking the VX 661) a good match with Paradigms?

Lots of questions ... but thanks in advance for any advice!

I believe any of those speakers would be fine as surrounds, it will all dictate to your budget, get what you can afford... Not sure what you mean when you say monitor surrounds... if your saying the ADP's everyone has their own opinion about the ADP's, some like them, some like direct radiating speakers like the atoms... depends on your room layout... I personally like direct radiating, I also couldn't put the adp's in my room layout..

The monitor series was made very, very efficient, so just about any receiver will power them just fine...

You will find alot of these answers already asked in this thread, so I you take the time to skim through some of the thread Im sure you find alot of ideas and opinions. I understand that there is alot of info here, so It may be a bit overwhelming, but its worth it. I spent a ton of time reading and doing my homework before buying...

how much if you sell.
I paid $325 for it and have only hooked it up once for a test drive. I'd like to get $275 + shipping.

J.

Hey Guys, not sure if this is the appropriate thread for this question so if it isn't please point me to the correct spot. The question is that i have a set of Paradigm Titans that for the price are pretty solid. What I need is a good mount for the center channel speaker to go ideally above my plasma. I would like to angle it down slightly to direct the sound towards the main viewing area better. The paradigm titan center channel speaker isn't huge and I plan on moving it to be a rear center speaker and getting a larger better paradigm center speaker to replace it so I would like the mount to be able to support the larger size and weight.

Does anyone have a good recommendation for a mount, as well as a favorite reputable spot for ordering? Also comments on a solid upgrade for a center speaker that would play well with the rest of the titans?

Thanks much,

SJ

try racksandstands.com they have a large assortment.

This might be a bit off topic, but could anyone recommend a good center speaker for setup? I use Eclipse BP in front, Esprit BP for the rear channels and I'm planning on buying a Servo 15 sub.
Thanks for your time!

the questions you ask are user preference what did you find when you listened
as far as myself not responding i chose the studio series all the way so i could not
give you an accurate description of the difference as to my ears would have gone
the sigs if the budget would have permitted .
Would like to help but I have never listened atoms or minis. Sorry.
That's OK. The best thing to do is stop posting on here and just listen to all of the speakers I'm interested in and choose whichever one I like best - its all subjective anyway. Thanks for replying and I'm glad that you're enjoying the studio series :)

This might be a bit off topic, but could anyone recommend a good center speaker for setup? I use Eclipse BP in front, Esprit BP for the rear channels and I'm planning on buying a Servo 15 sub.
Thanks for your time!

Yeah, a bit off topic. You need an Eclipse center.

i'm hesitating between Monitor v7,v9 and v11 for my 2 front speakers (i'm still a 2.0 guy)

i'm afraid v7 is goind to sound poor.... but v11 is almost 1500$ a pair around here, that's quite expensive imo.

i might go for v9...... i would like recommandations from someone who tested the 3 sets

thanks for the help!

i'm hesitating between Monitor v7,v9 and v11 for my 2 front speakers (i'm still a 2.0 guy)

i'm afraid v7 is goind to sound poor.... but v11 is almost 1500$ a pair around here, that's quite expensive imo.

i might go for v9...... i would like recommandations from someone who tested the 3 sets

thanks for the help!

bump. I'm curious too. I'm sort of between 7 and 9.

[QUOTE=Kevenz]i'm hesitating between Monitor v7,v9 and v11 for my 2 front speakers (i'm still a 2.0 guy)

i'm afraid v7 is goind to sound poor.... but v11 is almost 1500$ a pair around here, that's quite expensive imo.

i might go for v9...... i would like recommandations from someone who tested the 3 sets

I'm assuming you're talking about ver 5 of the Monitor 7, 9, and 11. I have the ver 4 of the Monitor 11 and I've gone back and listened to the ver 5 of all three. Monitor 9 v.5 is much improved over v.4 as it matches better with the center channel offerings of v.5 I would still buy the Monitor 11 of either version as I found it to be the best for my ears for music. I know it's expensive, but I plan to keep these for a long time as I'm enjoying music again (even went back to my parent's place and dug out my turntable and my records of 20 years ago). You can negotiate as well and get the usual discounts mentioned here on this board.
I didn't notice a vast difference between v.4 and v.5 of the Monitor 11 as it's tough to compare if they're not side by side with the same amp, room, etc. The biggest improvement is the centre channels that can match the 7,9,and 11's.

Which Center channel would you guys recommend for V5 Monitor 7?

Just pulled the trigger last week and picked up a pair of Monitor 11’s v5. Had the 11’s v4, and was hesitant initially because I truly loved the 4’s and consider them a great speaker.

I must say however, that I am equally pleased with the v5’s and glad I made the purchase. While the difference is not vast, there is a noticeable difference, first of all in the volume.

The versions 5’s do play louder, but the sound is clear and full. The front soundstage sounds great as they blend seamlessly with CC290. The overall sound just seems smoother and better balanced between highs, mids, and lows.

I am very pleased with the system and can put the upgrade bug to rest for awhile and just sit back and enjoy listening to music and watching movies. I am running them through an Anthem AVM 30, Sunfire Cinema Amp 200x7, and Pioneer Elite 79AVi DVD player.

Anyone considering moving from 11 v4 to 11 v5 on the Monitor series will not be disappointed in my opinion.

What are people's thoughts on the Monitor series vs the Studio series for only movie watching?

Just pulled the trigger last week and picked up a pair of Monitor 11’s v5. Had the 11’s v4, and was hesitant initially because I truly loved the 4’s and consider them a great speaker.

I must say however, that I am equally pleased with the v5’s and glad I made the purchase. While the difference is not vast, there is a noticeable difference, first of all in the volume.

The versions 5’s do play louder, but the sound is clear and full. The front soundstage sounds great as they blend seamlessly with CC290. The overall sound just seems smoother and better balanced between highs, mids, and lows.

I am very pleased with the system and can put the upgrade bug to rest for awhile and just sit back and enjoy listening to music and watching movies. I am running them through an Anthem AVM 30, Sunfire Cinema Amp 200x7, and Pioneer Elite 79AVi DVD player.

Anyone considering moving from 11 v4 to 11 v5 on the Monitor series will not be disappointed in my opinion.

Good to hear! My ordered has shipping and should be in this week. My HT room size is 15' x 13' and I'll be connecting the Paradigm speakers to the Yamaha HTR-5960. My speakers are:

Fronts: Paradigm Monitor 11v5 (on order)
Center: Paradigm CC290v5 (on order)
Surrounds: Paradigm Mini-Monitor v5 (on order)
Subwoofer:Paradigm PW2200 (I've had it for 10 years, and love it!)

Now I'm waiting for the dealer to call me when they show-up. :o

...Angelo

What are people's thoughts on the Monitor series vs the Studio series for only movie watching?

I heard the Studios 100v4 and they're awesome but I went with Monitors since cost was an issue plus my room size isn't very big and no real need for dedicated amps to drive the speakers to get them nice and load.

...Angelo

Good to hear! My ordered has shipping and should be in this week. My HT room size is 15' x 13' and I'll be connecting the Paradigm speakers to the Yamaha HTR-5960. My speakers are:

Fronts: Paradigm Monitor 11v5 (on order)
Center: Paradigm CC290v5 (on order)
Surrounds: Paradigm Mini-Monitor v5 (on order)
Subwoofer:Paradigm PW2200 (I've had it for 10 years, and love it!)

Now I'm waiting for the dealer to call me when they show-up. :o

...Angelo
Congrats Angelo, you'll enjoy that setup. Will serve you well for both music and movies.

What are people's thoughts on the Monitor series vs the Studio series for only movie watching?

Approximately 2 years ago I purchaced monitor 7 speakers, ADP 370's etc. I have recently upgraded to Studio 100's, cc590, servo15 etc. Its like a viel was lifted of the speakers, they are so much more detailed and refined it's incredible. I don't mean to undermine the monitor series they are truly great speakers, but the Studios are on a whole different level of listening enjoyment in both the music and movie watching area's. IMO it was well worth the price difference.
In movie watching, speach and quieter parts are so well defined you don't tend to have to turn up the volume only to have some dynamic effect knock your socks off scrambling for the remote.

What are people's thoughts on the Monitor series vs the Studio series for only movie watching?

I've had and enjoyed both lines, and while I think the Studios are better especially on music. I don't know if the extra cost is worth it for movies.

Right now I have 11's v.5 and 60's v4 in my room and the 11's are pretty good. Just lacking compared to the 60's in the mids and treble. If they could get the tweet just a little cleaner and less spitty, they would be very good. As a whole though for movies, I don't know if the extra cost would be worth it. Not to mention the Studio stuff thrives on power where-as the Monitor stuff is very efficient.

Has anyone ever used Paradigm In-Wall speakers, and could you give me your thoughts....

thanks

Warp

Has anyone ever used Paradigm In-Wall speakers, and could you give me your thoughts....

I put AMS 250's in a friends system. I thought they sounded pretty good. Pretty clean...even got imaging with them. I used 4 of them and then a CC-370. Not the best match up front, but the guy was older and didn't care all that much. Very easy to install as well...

Hey, I'm replacing an older KEF system and thinking of going all Paradigm Ref. Setup would be the newest S8s, C5 (center) and ADP surrounds. Anyone with this setup care to give me their opinion? Thanks. SJ

I put AMS 250's in a friends system. I thought they sounded pretty good. Pretty clean...even got imaging with them. I used 4 of them and then a CC-370. Not the best match up front, but the guy was older and didn't care all that much. Very easy to install as well...
Thanks Max...
I was looking at the Studio versions of the inwall, wondering if those AMS 250 have a cabinet, or do they use the wall 'n studs for the chamber...

http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/inwallcustom-sa-sa35-model-6-14-2-38.paradigm

I couldn't tell from looking at them on their site...

Still taking other suggestions for inwalls as well.....

bittermelon : yes i was talking about V5 of course.

Not to mention the Studio stuff thrives on power where-as the Monitor stuff is very efficient.

Yes and no. The Studios are relatively efficient too, but the Studio 100 have a low and wide impedance dip in the mid-bass region that requires an amp with good low-impedance drive capability to handle it well. We're talking ~2.5 Ohms low...

Absolutely. The 100's definitely need more power than the average AVR can provide. I added an Anthem MCA-20 (225 wpc) to take the load off of our Denon 3805 and the 100's really shine, especially at higher volumes.

J.

Hey, I'm replacing an older KEF system and thinking of going all Paradigm Ref. Setup would be the newest S8s, C5 (center) and ADP surrounds. Anyone with this setup care to give me their opinion? Thanks. SJ

SJ, yes I have this exact setup in version 2 on the Sig line from Paradigm. The sound is phenomenal...all the way around. Very clean and natural. I suspect I will have this setup for many years to come.

Just make sure you have enough power to drive them - these speakers move a lot of air.

I've had and enjoyed both lines, and while I think the Studios are better especially on music. I don't know if the extra cost is worth it for movies.

Right now I have 11's v.5 and 60's v4 in my room and the 11's are pretty good. Just lacking compared to the 60's in the mids and treble. If they could get the tweet just a little cleaner and less spitty, they would be very good. As a whole though for movies, I don't know if the extra cost would be worth it. Not to mention the Studio stuff thrives on power where-as the Monitor stuff is very efficient.
Thanks. Need to go back and listen to just some movies.

but the Studio 100 have a low and wide impedance dip in the mid-bass region that requires an amp with good low-impedance drive capability to handle it well. We're talking ~2.5 Ohms low.

So where is the "no" part? ;)



Studio 100's = Sensitivity - Room / Anechoic 91/88 dB

Monitor 11's= Sensitivity - Room / Anechoic 97 dB / 94 dB

The "no" part is that speaker sensitivity and ease of driving the speaker are not always tied together. Many people stop at the speaker sensitivity assuming that high sensitivity indicates a speaker that is easy to drive - never going futher to examine the impedance curve.

Hmmm..... I see...

That's OK. The best thing to do is stop posting on here and just listen to all of the speakers I'm interested in and choose whichever one I like best - its all subjective anyway. Thanks for replying and I'm glad that you're enjoying the studio series :)

Mbird, I'm no speaker expert but I have atoms as my surrounds and mini monitors V4 as my fronts. My center channel is a CC370 V4. The setup sounds awesome, especially when my SVS PB10-ISD subwoofer kicks in. It definitely overpowers my 150 square feet family room, but I figured better too loud than not loud enough. I got them about two years ago, the speakers cost $850 at my local dealer and the sub was shipped to me for $467.

I mostly watch movies on them and again, I'm no expert. In fact, I was educated by people on this and the S&V forums on the quality of Paradigm speakers. I recently bought a 42 Pio plasma and changed the setup in the room so I'm looking in to buying either the Premier S26 or J29 stands for the monitors. Having trouble finding them though, I'd appreciate help from anyone on where to get them online or in the Philly area.

Later.

BB

I'd check either with your local Paradigm dealer of maybe try racks and stands (http://www.racksandstands.com/).

J.

The "no" part is that speaker sensitivity and ease of driving the speaker are not always tied together. Many people stop at the speaker sensitivity assuming that high sensitivity indicates a speaker that is easy to drive - never going futher to examine the impedance curve.

However, if you have a high sensitivity, the impedance curve matters less because you will be much less likely to demand much current from your receiver. Most receivers would be fine with a 2.5 ohm mid-bass region with a 97 db in-room sensitivity. However, at 91 db sensitivity (studio 100s), you are correct.

does anyone need 2 V.3 tweeters one is mint the other the dome is dented but I never noticed any sound difference
PM me before they go on ebay

Greetings. I've been searching the net for months since my order for a Signature S8/C5/ADP setup was cancelled (apparently production stopped, stock ran out and no one told the dealers,) and this is the only place I've seen that indicates the v.2 line is shipping. My dealer indicated in late March that they could take an order then, but it looks like they aren't going to carry the line, so I won't be able to hear the new line before ordering. Can anyone comment on what the differences in sound are between the two lines? I'm also curious if anyone knows from experience what the lead time is on the v.2 line? Since it took so much longer to start shipping the new line, I'm also curious if there are any extra risks to being an early adopter? Thanks!

I am getting the Cinema 220's for my L/C/R and 110's for my surrounds and surround rears, a 7.1 setup. With PDR-12 for the sub. The room is 28ft long and 12.5ft wide and 9ft tall. The room is L-shaped with the shorter part for the theater, its a basement and is just started being finished. Room outline at bottom.


1. When they built the house (11 years ago) the double window on the back wall was not centered for the 12.5ft width its 2-3 inches to far to the left. The surround rear speakers were going to go on either side of the window on the wall (not in it). Should I leave the 2-3 inch space between the speaker and window so the speakers are not shifted to the left?



I did this in Exel and converted it to JPEG (it was to big more than 600kb and more than 1024x768) So you have to expand it to fill the screen so you can read it. Each square was 3in, but that part of the image is distorted. Its a rough outline of the theater room that could help questions 1. The two speakers I had to round down and are in a 3x3 inch square (are actually closer to 5x4 inches). The area to the top right is the start of the other section of the room the longer part of the L-shape.

Greetings. I've been searching the net for months since my order for a Signature S8/C5/ADP setup was cancelled (apparently production stopped, stock ran out and no one told the dealers,) and this is the only place I've seen that indicates the v.2 line is shipping. My dealer indicated in late March that they could take an order then, but it looks like they aren't going to carry the line, so I won't be able to hear the new line before ordering. Can anyone comment on what the differences in sound are between the two lines? I'm also curious if anyone knows from experience what the lead time is on the v.2 line? Since it took so much longer to start shipping the new line, I'm also curious if there are any extra risks to being an early adopter? Thanks!

I use Studios, can't help you with any comparisons. I would hope that the new Signature line will sound at least as good as the older line. I'm assuming since the dealer isn't going to carry the line, you will be required to purchase these speakers, before they order them? What is their return policy? Have you already heard the V1 line, (at the dealer and in your own home) and compared them to other competing brands?

Greetings. I've been searching the net for months since my order for a Signature S8/C5/ADP setup was cancelled (apparently production stopped, stock ran out and no one told the dealers,) and this is the only place I've seen that indicates the v.2 line is shipping. My dealer indicated in late March that they could take an order then, but it looks like they aren't going to carry the line, so I won't be able to hear the new line before ordering. Can anyone comment on what the differences in sound are between the two lines? I'm also curious if anyone knows from experience what the lead time is on the v.2 line? Since it took so much longer to start shipping the new line, I'm also curious if there are any extra risks to being an early adopter? Thanks!


UniqueName: I feel confident you would appreciate the v2 sig. line as much as the v1 sig. line. I own all of the v2 stuff and am very happy. Although I never did a "side by side" I have done critical listening with both versions, and I must say, I can't tell that much of a difference. The engineers at Paradigm would tell you otherwise, due to the tweeter overhaul, etc. And they claim this version of the speaker is more expensive to manufacture than the older version. That said, I highly recommend them. Give them a good listen and see for yourself.

UniqueName: I feel confident you would appreciate the v2 sig. line as much as the v1 sig. line. I own all of the v2 stuff and am very happy. Although I never did a "side by side" I have done critical listening with both versions, and I must say, I can't tell that much of a difference. The engineers at Paradigm would tell you otherwise, due to the tweeter overhaul, etc. And they claim this version of the speaker is more expensive to manufacture than the older version. That said, I highly recommend them. Give them a good listen and see for yourself.

Which models of the .v2 sigs did you end up getting... seems you are the first I have heard of that have them. What other updates to the speaker are there that you know of...? There is almost zero information about the .v2 lineup other then they started offering the S6...

Pictures?


thanks

Warp

what are the weakness of Monitor 7 v5?

Opinion: Studio 60 V3 vs. Signature S4

At my local shop, they have one last Studio 60 V3 which I'm considering buying for about $1350. But on eBay, there's a set of Signature S4s w/ starting bid of $1250. Not the color cabinet I was looking for (cherry), but I'm still considering it. Too bad the seller has zero feedback, so that's always a risk.

Anyone demo or own the Sig S4s?

what are the weakness of Monitor 7 v5?
They're not as big as Monitor 9s. :)

Seriously though, nothing really. They're just small towers that really benefit from a sub. Midrange is really sweet from them and the highs are great, as with all of the V5 line.

I just purchased a Cinema 100ct package. I noticed the sub has both L & R RCA style inputs. But my Panasonic receiver has only a single sub output. Should I be using a Y connector to convert the single sub cable into 2 connectors for the sub inputs?
Thanks in advance.

I use Studios, can't help you with any comparisons. I would hope that the new Signature line will sound at least as good as the older line. I'm assuming since the dealer isn't going to carry the line, you will be required to purchase these speakers, before they order them? What is their return policy? Have you already heard the V1 line, (at the dealer and in your own home) and compared them to other competing brands?

I've recently listened to a number of other speaker lines (Paradigm Studio 100s, B&W 703, 803S and 803D, Thiel 2.4 and 3.7, Magnepan 3.6, Aerial 7B, 9 and 20, Revel Ultima Studios, Totem Winds, and over the years, quite a few others) and I'm coming from a pair of Dahlquist DQ20s. There aren't a lot of stores here, so there aren't a lot of unknown brands to choose from.

I really liked everything I played on the S8s, with the only weakness I could point to being a couple of tracks had a touch more sibilance than I'd like (I'm hoping the new tweeter might be a bit smoother :-) You could clearly hear the fine detail of the wood and the metal of acoustic instruments, there was no obvious emphasis or hole, no obvious muddiness even with many instruments or vocals in the same frequency space, and the my two selections with absurd bass didn't cloud the rest of the sound. Certain sounds simply aren't laid back and the S8s don't pretend otherwise, but that doesn't interfere with the more delicate stuff going on at the same time. Moving slightly off axis didn't compleletely change the sound. Imaging and soundstage were reasonable compared to anything else I've heard so far. They aren't perfection, but they do cover all the bases pretty well.

Unfortunately every other speaker I've auditioned (ignoring the Thiel 3.7, as it was a packed room demo with a bad recording choice, and even then they had real promise) missed on at least one of these points, often to a surprising degree. It seems like certain designers tried to optimize for a particular feature, and were willing to make significant sacrafices in other areas to get it. Since I don't know what Paradigm thought was wrong, I don't know what they tried to fix and how much they were willing to change to get there :-/

I've recently listened to a number of other speaker lines (Paradigm Studio 100s, B&W 703, 803S and 803D, Thiel 2.4 and 3.7, Magnepan 3.6, Aerial 7B, 9 and 20, Revel Ultima Studios, Totem Winds, and over the years, quite a few others) and I'm coming from a pair of Dahlquist DQ20s. There aren't a lot of stores here, so there aren't a lot of unknown brands to choose from.

I really liked everything I played on the S8s, with the only weakness I could point to being a couple of tracks had a touch more sibilance than I'd like (I'm hoping the new tweeter might be a bit smoother :-) You could clearly hear the fine detail of the wood and the metal of acoustic instruments, there was no obvious emphasis or hole, no obvious muddiness even with many instruments or vocals in the same frequency space, and the my two selections with absurd bass didn't cloud the rest of the sound. Certain sounds simply aren't laid back and the S8s don't pretend otherwise, but that doesn't interfere with the more delicate stuff going on at the same time. Moving slightly off axis didn't compleletely change the sound. Imaging and soundstage were reasonable compared to anything else I've heard so far. They aren't perfection, but they do cover all the bases pretty well.

Unfortunately every other speaker I've auditioned (ignoring the Thiel 3.7, as it was a packed room demo with a bad recording choice, and even then they had real promise) missed on at least one of these points, often to a surprising degree. It seems like certain designers tried to optimize for a particular feature, and were willing to make significant sacrafices in other areas to get it. Since I don't know what Paradigm thought was wrong, I don't know what they tried to fix and how much they were willing to change to get there :-/


The only thing they changed was in fact the tweeter. They went to a Beryllium dome tweeter in the v2 sigs vs. the G-PAL aluminum tweeter - which they now put in the Studio line. I have never been a big fan of aluminum tweeters, that is why I waited for the v.2 signatures. This is what I own:

Signature C5 center
Signature S8's
ADP-590 (Sides) ( I am considering upgrading these to the Sig ADP's, but $2799.00 for sides is a lot to bite off)
SA35's (Rears)

The only thing they changed was in fact the tweeter. They went to a Beryllium dome tweeter in the v2 sigs vs. the G-PAL aluminum tweeter - which they now put in the Studio line. I have never been a big fan of aluminum tweeters, that is why I waited for the v.2 signatures. Just to be perfectly clear, paradigm didn't just drop the Sig v1 tweeter into the new Studio line 'as is'. They're using the same technology found in the Sig v1 tweeters in the new studio line.... they're just not identical. The Sig v1 tweeter still has a different back structure with better cooling and some other 'higher end' features I'm told.

What difference this all makes in the real world is open to debate of course, but people shouldn't expect the new studio tweeters to sound exactly like the older Sig v1 tweeters since in fact they're not the same.

Back in Aug 2006 I went to my dealer set on buying a complete set of Studio speakers (the older version) but like yourself, I knew I didn't like aluminum tweeters either on many speakers. I thought that likely I wouldn't mind the aluminum Studio tweeter, but boy, was I wrong. I couldn't believe how much I hated it compared to the Sig S8 (old v1) tweeter. So I bought from the Sig line instead. Yes, the Sig v1 is also aluminum but it sounded completely different to me. To my ears it was completely open and effortless, not brittle/harsh. YMMV. Everyone's ears are different.

kal

The only thing they changed was in fact the tweeter. They went to a Beryllium dome tweeter in the v2 sigs vs. the G-PAL aluminum tweeter - which they now put in the Studio line. I have never been a big fan of aluminum tweeters, that is why I waited for the v.2 signatures. This is what I own:

Signature C5 center
Signature S8's
ADP-590 (Sides) ( I am considering upgrading these to the Sig ADP's, but $2799.00 for sides is a lot to bite off)
SA35's (Rears)

The press release refers to "CoIA™ Cobalt-infused pure-aluminum woofer cones" in addition to the tweeter upgrades. A few lines down is the line "MLP™ mica-loaded co-polymer cones on midrange and bass/midrange drivers have now been upgraded in Signature v.2 to a performance-enhancing composite of cobalt-infused anodized pure-aluminum." I derive the phrases "woofer cones", "midrange drivers" and bass/midrange drivers" and wonder which drivers they are really talking about :-/

I crossed my fingers and placed an order last night for the S8s, C5 and ADPs. As long as they aren't substantially worse than the originals, they should still be better than anything else I've auditioned so far (in a few cases I was really surprised at how bad something could sound for several thousand US dollars...)

The press release refers to "CoIA™ Cobalt-infused pure-aluminum woofer cones" in addition to the tweeter upgrades. A few lines down is the line "MLP™ mica-loaded co-polymer cones on midrange and bass/midrange drivers have now been upgraded in Signature v.2 to a performance-enhancing composite of cobalt-infused anodized pure-aluminum." I derive the phrases "woofer cones", "midrange drivers" and bass/midrange drivers" and wonder which drivers they are really talking about :-/

I crossed my fingers and placed an order last night for the S8s, C5 and ADPs. As long as they aren't substantially worse than the originals, they should still be better than anything else I've auditioned so far (in a few cases I was really surprised at how bad something could sound for several thousand US dollars...)

UniqueName - I assure you you will be pleased with your purchase. The C5 is an absolute monster....be prepared for that! Congrats and be sure to post your thoughts after you receive them. I would recommend a good break-in period of around 10 + hours or so. I let my system cycle several CD's for a weekend. When I listened on Sunday night the difference was definitely noteable.

Just out of curiousity, what amps will you be driving them with?

Look for fellow Canadians to chime in, what are some prices that you guys have paid in CANADIAN for the NEW Studio series?

Studio 100
Studio 60
Studio 40
Studio 20

CC-590
CC-690

Thanks

The press release refers to "CoIA™ Cobalt-infused pure-aluminum woofer cones" in addition to the tweeter upgrades. A few lines down is the line "MLP™ mica-loaded co-polymer cones on midrange and bass/midrange drivers have now been upgraded in Signature v.2 to a performance-enhancing composite of cobalt-infused anodized pure-aluminum." I derive the phrases "woofer cones", "midrange drivers" and bass/midrange drivers" and wonder which drivers they are really talking about :-/

I crossed my fingers and placed an order last night for the S8s, C5 and ADPs. As long as they aren't substantially worse than the originals, they should still be better than anything else I've auditioned so far (in a few cases I was really surprised at how bad something could sound for several thousand US dollars...)

I think you'll be happy. I bought V.1 S8 and C3 2 months ago or so after auditioning lots of speakers up to the $11k 1037Be JmLabs and the only ones that did it for me were the S8 - they just don't do anything wrong - clear, smooth, accurate and they do have real impact if you've got the power to drive them.

Enjoy :D

I derive the phrases "woofer cones", "midrange drivers" and bass/midrange drivers" and wonder which drivers they are really talking about :-/

The S2 is 2 way and has a bass/midrange driver and a tweeter. The S4 is 2 1/2 way and has a woofer, a bass/midrange driver and a tweeter. The S8 is 3 way and has 4 woofers, a midrange and a tweeter. I don't know if the S6 is 2 1/2 way or 3 way.

From earlier in the thread and from other forums S6:
S6 – Four-driver 3-way floorstanding: 2 x 7-inch bass, 7-inch mid/bass, 1” P-Be;

From earlier in the thread and from other forums S6:
S6 – Four-driver 3-way floorstanding: 2 x 7-inch bass, 7-inch mid/bass, 1” P-Be;

Could you point me to those other forums you mentioned....

Curious about other discussion on the Sig v2....

I was really interested in the S6.... also thanks guys for the new info on Sig's

I setting up a home theater and have a large volume (21'x26' w/11' ceiling) to fill. I also have something of a challenge in that I've got to place the front mains in somewhat of an alcove. I chosen to go with Paradigm Studio 100s - everyone seems to love them - and a Paradigm surround setup. Since I have to place the speakers in a specific location and close to a rear wall I wanted to stay away from anything with rear or side-firing ports, so the Studio 100s look like a great solution. My first question is the placement of the 100s... are they difficult to place? I've read some reviews that suggested that it's difficult to find a sweet spot for them.

My second question deals with power. I have a Pioneer Elite VSX-74TXSi from my previous HT setup - great AV amp. However, I don't believe it has sufficient power to drive the Studio 100s and the rest of the speakers in this layout. Is anyone using something like an Anthem A2 or Outlaw monoblocks to drive the front mains? I could them leave the 74TXSi to drive the rest of the system (my subs are Velodynes). Or should I go for a larger amp for all channels? - if so, what do you recommend. THX!

The S2 is 2 way and has a bass/midrange driver and a tweeter. The S4 is 2 1/2 way and has a woofer, a bass/midrange driver and a tweeter. The S8 is 3 way and has 4 woofers, a midrange and a tweeter. I don't know if the S6 is 2 1/2 way or 3 way.

This still leaves the question as to which of these drivers was actually changed...

looking at picking up a pair of paradigm monitor 9's off of audiogon, but before i do i am hoping for some input regarding how these speakers will sound with music? i am mainly into dance/techno, but i often venture into other territory with bjork, radiohead, the books, etc. thanks!

Could you point me to those other forums you mentioned....

Curious about other discussion on the Sig v2....

I was really interested in the S6.... also thanks guys for the new info on Sig's

Sure: Here's the one I could find.... I found the same info somewhere else but I can't seem to find that forum, I'll post it later if I can find it.

Aaarrgh, 5 post min to post links. Not sure how to PM I'll try to send them so maybe you can post them.

I had heard that the mid and the tweeter changed, but I can't find that link either.

Sorry can't PM them either apparently until I get 5 posts :(

Anyway 1 more post I'll just have to go find something worthy of post.

what are the weakness of Monitor 7 v5?


They lack serious bass.. deep rumble kinda bass. BUT, the midrange and high frequencies are AMAZING for such a small speaker, there is bass but not deep. However if you are looking for an affordable smaller tower they are amazing!!! I listened to them at my local paradigm dealers store and was awestruck with what I heard. But the bass was an issue so I went with the 9 v.5's instead.

looking at picking up a pair of paradigm monitor 9's off of audiogon, but before i do i am hoping for some input regarding how these speakers will sound with music? i am mainly into dance/techno, but i often venture into other territory with bjork, radiohead, the books, etc. thanks!

They rock!!! the carry some pretty amazin bass as well. The v.4's have much larger woofers so they might sound a bit boomy in some rooms. The v.5's are incredible, I bought a pair about a month ago and am totally in love with them. The sound seriously large and kick like hell, pair them with a decent receiver and you won't be disapointed with either the v.4 or v.5's.

Look for fellow Canadians to chime in, what are some prices that you guys have paid in CANADIAN for the NEW Studio series?

Studio 100
Studio 60
Studio 40
Studio 20

CC-590
CC-690

Thanks

Well I live in regina and where I go its like this

CC-590 - 980 bucks
CC-690 - 1200 bucks

Studio 20 - 1040 bucks
studio 40 - 1400 bucks
studio 60 - 2000 bucks
studio 100 - 2800 bucks

However, I get killer deals because I have bought so much from them, and have refered alot of friends there. So bassically i end up paying no tax for what I buy there, or around 50 bucks more than list price.

Which Center channel would you guys recommend for V5 Monitor 7?

The 290 would be your best bet. Check paradigms site, they recommend what to use with thier systems.

http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/rec-systems-17-1-2-4.paradigm#

Hope that helps ya.

Well I live in regina and where I go its like this

CC-590 - 980 bucks
CC-690 - 1200 bucks

Studio 20 - 1040 bucks
studio 40 - 1400 bucks
studio 60 - 2000 bucks
studio 100 - 2800 bucks

However, I get killer deals because I have bought so much from them, and have refered alot of friends there. So bassically i end up paying no tax for what I buy there, or around 50 bucks more than list price.

thanks for your reply

Can anyone tell me the difference between the Mon 7 and 9 (Ver. 5)?
In the pdf brochure, the 9's are the only ones in the Monitor line that do not have "GRIP" chassis. Whats the deal?

Sorry can't PM them either apparently until I get 5 posts :(

Anyway 1 more post I'll just have to go find something worthy of post.

thanks msfan.... I look forward to your responce...

They rock!!! the carry some pretty amazin bass as well. The v.4's have much larger woofers so they might sound a bit boomy in some rooms. The v.5's are incredible, I bought a pair about a month ago and am totally in love with them. The sound seriously large and kick like hell, pair them with a decent receiver and you won't be disapointed with either the v.4 or v.5's.

awesome, thank you. the ones on audiogon are v1's, so perhaps its back to the drawing board for now

This still leaves the question as to which of these drivers was actually changed...

The composition of all the drivers has been changed.

Well I live in regina and where I go its like this

CC-590 - 980 bucks
CC-690 - 1200 bucks

Studio 20 - 1040 bucks
studio 40 - 1400 bucks
studio 60 - 2000 bucks
studio 100 - 2800 bucks

However, I get killer deals because I have bought so much from them, and have refered alot of friends there. So bassically i end up paying no tax for what I buy there, or around 50 bucks more than list price.

If they charge tax to others does that mean they are charging more than list price for the speakers?

Last November a store in North Toronto was charging $1600 for the Studio 60s version 4 and $1300 for version 3.

awesome, thank you. the ones on audiogon are v1's, so perhaps its back to the drawing board for now

The latest monitor line was a great step up in quality and performance..

Bigger & better quality drivers... I think the new line is shrinking the distance between the monitor line and the studios...

i get to join an owners thread!!!! i recently purchased the (all v5) minimonitors, cc-290, and adp-190 for $1100. i am currently using an older pioneer avr for now until the new onkyo 805 is released. haven't had much time to sit and watch a flick with them yet, but will do so this week.

anyone recomend speaker wire--does it make a difference between 12-16 awg wire? i have runs of about 20-25ft. thanks for any suggestions!!

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

scroll down a bit...

Paradigm's are an 8 ohm load

Can anyone tell me the difference between the Mon 7 and 9 (Ver. 5)?
In the pdf brochure, the 9's are the only ones in the Monitor line that do not have "GRIP" chassis. Whats the deal?

anyone?

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

scroll down a bit...

Paradigm's are an 8 ohm load

War,
thanks for the link. very informative.... :)

i get to join an owners thread!!!! i recently purchased the (all v5) minimonitors, cc-290, and adp-190 for $1100. i am currently using an older pioneer avr for now until the new onkyo 805 is released. haven't had much time to sit and watch a flick with them yet, but will do so this week.

anyone recomend speaker wire--does it make a difference between 12-16 awg wire? i have runs of about 20-25ft. thanks for any suggestions!!

Did you read the manual that came with the cc-290?

It says MINIMUM Gauge Requirements:
16 awg - under 15ft
14 awg - under 30ft
12 awg - over 30ft

...Angelo

Can anyone tell me the difference between the Mon 7 and 9 (Ver. 5)?
In the pdf brochure, the 9's are the only ones in the Monitor line that do not have "GRIP" chassis. Whats the deal?

The Monitor 9's have a 6 1/2 inch drivers... and use a die-cast heatsink chassis along with the 11's that have the 7 1/2" drivers with the same die-cast heatsink chassis

it would suggest to me that the 9's and the 11's are not only larger drivers, but better made as well... compared to the 7's...

Those are just the things I can see on the spec's comparison..

Also the Crossover is set different points...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
7's - 5 1/2" drivers.
Crossover(s) 2nd-order electro-acoustic at 700 Hz (lower bass drivers)
3rd-order electro-acoustic at 2.0 kHz
GRIP™ chassis
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
9's - 6 1/2" drivers
Crossover(s) 2nd-order electro-acoustic at 500 Hz (lower bass drivers), 3rd-order electro-acoustic at 1.9 kHz 4-driver,
die-cast heatsink chassis

The Monitor 9's have a 6 1/2 inch drivers... and use a die-cast heatsink chassis along with the 11's that have the 7 1/2" drivers with the same die-cast heatsink chassis

it would suggest to me that the 9's and the 11's are not only larger drivers, but better made as well... compared to the 7's...

Those are just the things I can see on the spec's comparison..

Also the Crossover is set different points...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
7's - 5 1/2" drivers.
Crossover(s) 2nd-order electro-acoustic at 700 Hz (lower bass drivers)
3rd-order electro-acoustic at 2.0 kHz
GRIP™ chassis
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
9's - 6 1/2" drivers
Crossover(s) 2nd-order electro-acoustic at 500 Hz (lower bass drivers), 3rd-order electro-acoustic at 1.9 kHz 4-driver,
die-cast heatsink chassis

Does the lower crossover in the 9's mean it's better than the 7's ?

So the die-cast heatsink chassis is of a better quality than the GRIP ?

Thanks warp for the reply.

It would suggest to me that the larger drivers are more capable, which allows them to cross them over at a lower point...

6.5" drivers opposed to 5.5" drivers.. will give you more potent mid & bass response...
I think the Die Cast is what your looking for...

What are you looking for here... I haven't really been following your posts..
Are you looking for new speaks... 5.1?
Did you have a budget?

I guess I'm looking for 5.0

Was really looking what the diff was between the GRIP and die cast. Is the GRIP new to the Monitor line? The 390 center is a new model and uses GRIP, why would'nt it use die cast if its better?

Budget is a tough one, I dont have one. Lay-away is my only option.

Monitor 7's would be all I could afford in the long run.(I want something bad without having to wait forever) With a CC-290 and Atoms for rears.

Ideally I'd like the 9's , CC-390 and Mini's.

In my opinion, The best way to go about stuff like this... is talk to your dealer, and tell him your objectives... tell him what you want you want here... 9's , CC-390 and Mini's.

Then start with the 9's and if you can afford the 390 get that too....

There is nothing wrong with piecing together your system... but bargain with your dealer and make him absolutely aware that you intent to buy all the same line and you don't like to mix and match... but I can only afford to get these speakers right now, and I will pick up the rest as I can afford them, and bargain for the best price on the whole system.

Then break it down and get what you can...

What do you guys think about the 9's being potentially matched better to the CC-390 than the 11's? From memory, they seem to have the same 6.5" drivers.

What do you guys think about the 9's being potentially matched better to the CC-390 than the 11's? From memory, they seem to have the same 6.5" drivers.

I'm wondering the same thing

Did you read the manual that came with the cc-290?

It says MINIMUM Gauge Requirements:
16 awg - under 15ft
14 awg - under 30ft
12 awg - over 30ft

...Angelo


I am wiring my basement in-ceiling and wall to connect to Cinema 110's for the surround and surround rears and was going to use 14 gauge, the room is 28 feet long and 9ft tall (12.5ft wide). I will need 40-50 feet for those 110's. I have read that 14 gauge is good for 80-200 feet in multiple places, here is one http://www.practical-home-theater-guide.com/home-theater-wiring.html and Crutchfield has the same chart. Everywhere I read 16 gauge was good enough and I went to the next step up to make sure. The wiring will be done tomorrow or the next day will the 14 gauge be enough?

If they charge tax to others does that mean they are charging more than list price for the speakers?

Last November a store in North Toronto was charging $1600 for the Studio 60s version 4 and $1300 for version 3.

I talked to my gear guy at the shop I go to and he says that they guy I talked to the other day was way off.. he quoted the 60's at 1549 for v.4's. My price was around 1400, so i guess I may have to upgrade again.. LOL...

What do you guys think about the 9's being potentially matched better to the CC-390 than the 11's? From memory, they seem to have the same 6.5" drivers.


I have the 9's v.5 with the cc-390 and the matching is perfect, and yeah they do carry the same drivers. However the 11's v.5 match almost flawlessly with the 390 as well, that centre is a beast and can carry itself no problem with a set of towers with bigger drivers. I listened to both the 11's and the 9's in comparison before I bought the 9's and it was pretty much the same cohesion. The only reason I went with the 9's is because the 11's were to much for my smaller room.

Hope that answers yer question.

i get to join an owners thread!!!! i recently purchased the (all v5) minimonitors, cc-290, and adp-190 for $1100. i am currently using an older pioneer avr for now until the new onkyo 805 is released. haven't had much time to sit and watch a flick with them yet, but will do so this week.

anyone recomend speaker wire--does it make a difference between 12-16 awg wire? i have runs of about 20-25ft. thanks for any suggestions!!


The other poster was right, check your manual that comes with the speakers and it will recommend what speaker wire to use. With such a short run though 16 gauge should be fine. Ussually longer runs like 50 ft or more (depending on your equipment and speakers) dictates 14 gauge or lower. But like I said with 20 to 25 ft runs a decent 16 gauge wire will be fine, if you wanna go 14 gauge you can but probably won't hear much of a diffrence. Hope that helps ya.. also check out this article for more info:

http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/ISEO-rgbtcspd/learningcenter/home/speakers_wire.html

Does the lower crossover in the 9's mean it's better than the 7's ?

So the die-cast heatsink chassis is of a better quality than the GRIP ?

Thanks warp for the reply.


The 9's like I said carry more bass, and ya they go lower and deeper than the 7's. The new 7's are a much smaller tower but they still sound amazing!. if your looking for more bass and alittle more ooomf then go with the 9's. if you want more stable midrange then the 7's might be better.. just my opinion tho, but I love the 9's. :)

I guess I'm looking for 5.0

Was really looking what the diff was between the GRIP and die cast. Is the GRIP new to the Monitor line? The 390 center is a new model and uses GRIP, why would'nt it use die cast if its better?

Budget is a tough one, I dont have one. Lay-away is my only option.

Monitor 7's would be all I could afford in the long run.(I want something bad without having to wait forever) With a CC-290 and Atoms for rears.

Ideally I'd like the 9's , CC-390 and Mini's.

The 9's with the 390 and mini's as rears would be a great match and would sound awsome together paired with a good receiver, you'll never need to go to the theatre again.. lol

The 9's with the 390 and mini's as rears would be a great match and would sound awsome together paired with a good receiver, you'll never need to go to the theatre again.. lol

Thanks for all your replies dave33ca, right now I only have a Pioneer VSX-515 (110w x 6) would it be enough for the 9, 390, mini's?

Thanks for all your replies dave33ca, right now I only have a Pioneer VSX-515 (110w x 6) would it be enough for the 9, 390, mini's?

The nice thing about the Paradigm Monitor v5's, is that they have a very high sensitivity at +92dB. The 390 is massive and it has 97dB sensitivity and it rated at 150W max (without distortion). So I don't think it will be a problem unless you want to go "nuts" with the volume, if so just get an external amp.

Myself I've order the 11, 290 and mini's plus the dealer will let me test out a 390 once my system up and running. I'm thinking about demoing an Emotiva external amp to "hear" any difference, if any from my Yamaha HTR-5960 (115Wx7). What I will be listen for will be richer sound-stage and dynamic range from the amps, not volume.

...Angelo

So, let's say I pair the 7s with a good sub like an SVS, would it be wise to save the money on the 7s instead of getting 9s?

^good question

i still haven't bought my pair of Paradigm yet...

Well I just came back from my dealer, put a deposit on the CC-290. They don't have any in stock now.

Well I just came back from my dealer, put a deposit on the CC-290. They don't have any in stock now.
I went through the dilemma of the CC-390 or CC-290 with the use a 115Wx7 receiver and looking at all those speakers in one center-channel with only 1 pair of banana-posts, I "chickened-out" and went with the CC-290 with an option to test the CC-390. Plus my HT room isn't very wide or long is size. But I'll see as my shipment "should" ready this Wednesday. :)

Man, a hate waiting for something that's paid for. :o

...Angelo

I went through the dilemma of the CC-390 or CC-290 with the use a 115Wx7 receiver and looking at all those speakers in one center-channel with only 1 pair of banana-posts, I "chickened-out" and went with the CC-290 with an option to test the CC-390. Plus my HT room isn't very wide or long is size. But I'll see as my shipment "should" ready this Wednesday. :)

Man, a hate waiting for something that's paid for. :o

...Angelo
Tell us how it sounds when you get it.
how big is your room?
which receiver?

questions about the 9's, what are the differences between, say, v.1 and v.5? i could pick up some monitor 9 v.1's for 400$, is that worth considering?

Tell us how it sounds when you get it.
how big is your room?
which receiver?
My HT room is 15'x12' (lengthxwidth) with an open wall to the kitchen, total room is 15'x21' with 8 foot ceilings. My HDTV 65" RPCRT is placed at an 45 degree angle in the corner of the room. Listen position distance range from 8' to 11'(measured from the middle of the HDTV), it might be less if I have to move the HDTV out from the corner to fit the left and right speakers.

The receiver is the Yamaha HTR-5960.

Yes, I'll report back, but my dB meter is on back-order.

...Angelo

My HT room is 15'x12' (lengthxwidth) with an open wall to the kitchen, total room is 15'x21' with 8 foot ceilings. My HDTV 65" RPCRT is placed at an 45 degree angle in the corner of the room. Listen position distance range from 8' to 11'(measured from the middle of the HDTV), it might be less if I have to move the HDTV out from the corner to fit the left and right speakers.

The receiver is the Yamaha HTR-5960.

Yes, I'll report back, but my dB meter is on back-order.

...Angelo

looks like you got a sweet setup!

looks like you got a sweet setup!

I've been thinking about a 5.1 system for about 5 years, talking to friends about it and never liked the room layout since it was configured to seat the "most" number of people not your ideal layout for HT. To top it off I've been with HD DVD since May 2006 using my HDTV's 15Wx2 speakers and a Paradigm 12" Sub (great for movies) and my stereo was a mini-CD system. Then one day my brother wanted to get left and right speakers; well that did it I just went for it, too say the least and reading TONS of info on these forums. I feel like an Audio Nut. :D

Yes I'm totally looking forward to getting this system up and running. :)

...Angelo

I've been thinking about a 5.1 system for about 5 years, talking to friends about it and never liked the room layout since it was configured to seat the "most" number of people not your ideal layout for HT. To top it off I've been with HD DVD since May 2006 using my HDTV's 15Wx2 speakers and a Paradigm 12" Sub (great for movies) and my stereo was a mini-CD system. Then one day my brother wanted to get left and right speakers; well that did it I just went for it, too say the least and reading TONS of info on these forums. I feel like an Audio Nut. :D

Yes I'm totally looking forward to getting this system up and running. :)

...Angelo

So what speakers do you have now, and what are you getting in the future?

So what speakers do you have now, and what are you getting in the future?

I have none. Just my HDTV + Sub most basic 2.1 and another mini-CD stereo system for music. I had friends come over to watch HD DVD movies and they were surprises with the SQ, more because of the sub which made a big difference for watching movies and not loud either. :D The problem was I never like the "basic" 5.1 HT system 5 tweeters and a sub they sound like junk and my 2.1 blow them away. I found these forums a year a go because of HD DVD and now I've been spending a lot of time leaning in the "Audio Area". Checked out some dealers and went with the Paradigm Monitors.

My New system will have:
- Yamaha HTR-5960 (wired and waiting for speakers)
- Paradigm Monitor 11v5 (L/R)
- Paradigm Monitor CC-290v5 (center) (option to upgrade to CC-390)
- Paradigm Monitor Mini v5 (surrounds)
- Paradigm PW-2200 12" Sub (had it for 10 years, 250W version)

I'm still thinking about an external amp like the Emotiva MPS-1 custom configured with three 200W module for L/C/R and one 2x75W module for the surrounds, I was quoted US$1149.00.

...Angelo

I have none. Just my HDTV + Sub most basic 2.1 and another mini-CD stereo system for music. I had friends come over to watch HD DVD movies and they were surprises with the SQ, more because of the sub which made a big difference for watching movies and not loud either. :D The problem was I never like the "basic" 5.1 HT system 5 tweeters and a sub they sound like junk and my 2.1 blow them away. I found these forums a year a go because of HD DVD and now I've been spending a lot of time leaning in the "Audio Area". Checked out some dealers and went with the Paradigm Monitors.

My New system will have:
- Yamaha HTR-5960 (wired and waiting for speakers)
- Paradigm Monitor 11v5 (L/R)
- Paradigm Monitor CC-290v5 (center) (option to upgrade to CC-390)
- Paradigm Monitor Mini v5 (surrounds)
- Paradigm PW-2200 12" Sub (had it for 10 years, 250W version)

I'm still thinking about an external amp like the Emotiva MPS-1 custom configured with three 200W module for L/C/R and one 2x75W module for the surrounds, I was quoted US$1149.00.

...Angelo

I recently upgraded from the CC-290 to the CC-390 because I felt the 290 was a bit thin when matched with the Monitor 9v5s. You might find the same experience with the Monitor 11v5s. Paradigm recommends the 390 with the 9s and 11s, and the 290 with the 7s. After owning the 7v5, 9v5, CC-290, and CC-390, I have to agree.

BTW, I have a similar set-up: Paradigm 9v5 (front), CC-390 (center), Monitor Mini v5 (rear), PDR-12 (sub). Denon AVR-1802 and DVD-2910.

I recently upgraded from the CC-290 to the CC-390 because I felt the 290 was a bit thin when matched with the Monitor 9v5s. You might find the same experience with the Monitor 11v5s. Paradigm recommends the 390 with the 9s and 11s, and the 290 with the 7s. After owning the 7v5, 9v5, CC-290, and CC-390, I have to agree.

BTW, I have a similar set-up: Paradigm 9v5 (front), CC-390 (center), Monitor Mini v5 (rear), PDR-12 (sub). Denon AVR-1802 and DVD-2910.
Yes, your system looks very similar. How well does the Denon amp do for driving your speakers? What's your room size?

After I get the system up and running I will have an option to demo/upgrade to the CC-390 while the dealer is at my home.

Thanks for your input....Angelo

Well,

I have saved enough and have convinced the wife we need a home theater system to throughly enjoy our 'relaxation' time i.e. movies.

I want to get Studio 100's, CC690, and ADP590's at 20% discount if possible.

I plan on calling all the local shops and see who gets me the closest to it but I wondering if any of you here locally have had in luck with this and can you point the way in where you got your discount..

Trz

I have none. Just my HDTV + Sub most basic 2.1 and another mini-CD stereo system for music. I had friends come over to watch HD DVD movies and they were surprises with the SQ, more because of the sub which made a big difference for watching movies and not loud either. :D The problem was I never like the "basic" 5.1 HT system 5 tweeters and a sub they sound like junk and my 2.1 blow them away. I found these forums a year a go because of HD DVD and now I've been spending a lot of time leaning in the "Audio Area". Checked out some dealers and went with the Paradigm Monitors.

My New system will have:
- Yamaha HTR-5960 (wired and waiting for speakers)
- Paradigm Monitor 11v5 (L/R)
- Paradigm Monitor CC-290v5 (center) (option to upgrade to CC-390)
- Paradigm Monitor Mini v5 (surrounds)
- Paradigm PW-2200 12" Sub (had it for 10 years, 250W version)

I'm still thinking about an external amp like the Emotiva MPS-1 custom configured with three 200W module for L/C/R and one 2x75W module for the surrounds, I was quoted US$1149.00.

...Angelo

cool, the emotiva look nice and are reasonably priced, also look at Rotel

I recently upgraded from the CC-290 to the CC-390 because I felt the 290 was a bit thin when matched with the Monitor 9v5s. You might find the same experience with the Monitor 11v5s. Paradigm recommends the 390 with the 9s and 11s, and the 290 with the 7s. After owning the 7v5, 9v5, CC-290, and CC-390, I have to agree.

BTW, I have a similar set-up: Paradigm 9v5 (front), CC-390 (center), Monitor Mini v5 (rear), PDR-12 (sub). Denon AVR-1802 and DVD-2910.

interesting

Yes, your system looks very similar. How well does the Denon amp do for driving your speakers? What's your room size?

After I get the system up and running I will have an option to demo/upgrade to the CC-390 while the dealer is at my home.

Thanks for your input....Angelo

The Denon does a great job powering the speakers. That's one of the nice features of the new Monitor series, they don't require a lot of power to get great performance out of them. My room is about 14x20 with eight foot ceilings.

SunZmSpark, does 200$ more justify getting the 390 over the 290

The Denon does a great job powering the speakers. That's one of the nice features of the new Monitor series, they don't require a lot of power to get great performance out of them. My room is about 14x20 with eight foot ceilings.

Cool! My HT and kitchen area is 21x15 with 8 foot ceilings, sound like I may need that CC-390 upgrade. :D

One more question how far apart are your Monitor 9v5s?

Thanks...Angelo

Cool! My HT and kitchen area is 21x15 with 8 foot ceilings, sound like I may need that CC-390 upgrade. :D

One more question how far apart are your Monitor 9v5s?

Thanks...Angelo

I'm still working on the set-up, but currently their about 7 feet apart.

I think that the 390 is definitely worth the extra $200. The depth of the Monitor 9s seemed to over power the 290. In my opinion, it didn't seem to keep up with the 9s, and the 390 filled-out the entire front. That said, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the 290, just my personal taste (and that's what counts, right :D ).

I'm still working on the set-up, but currently their about 7 feet apart.

I think that the 390 is definitely worth the extra $200. The depth of the Monitor 9s seemed to over power the 290. In my opinion, it didn't seem to keep up with the 9s, and the 390 filled-out the entire front. That said, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the 290, just my personal taste (and that's what counts, right :D ).

for sure its all personal taste.

Are you Canadian or American?

I'm still working on the set-up, but currently their about 7 feet apart.

I think that the 390 is definitely worth the extra $200. The depth of the Monitor 9s seemed to over power the 290. In my opinion, it didn't seem to keep up with the 9s, and the 390 filled-out the entire front. That said, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the 290, just my personal taste (and that's what counts, right :D ).
My room layout is very different and I'm measuring about 5 feet apart on the inside of the speaker enclosures, since the 65" HDTV is at a 45 degree in the corner with the sofa and love seats at the opposite corner with listening positions ranging 9' to 11' to maximize seating area. It will be interesting if the CC-390 will make a big enough difference over the CC-290 in that layout. I'll keep reporting back on my progress.

THX...Angelo

does paradigm speakers work great with Harman Kardon recievers?

i have the AVR 240 right now.... i wonder if it's enough powerful for the monitor 9 v5.

thanks.

does paradigm speakers work great with Harman Kardon recievers?

i have the AVR 240 right now.... i wonder if it's enough powerful for the monitor 9 v5.

thanks.

I don't see any problem , the 9's are very efficient as others have pointed out. H/k has good power.

does paradigm speakers work great with Harman Kardon recievers?

i have the AVR 240 right now.... i wonder if it's enough powerful for the monitor 9 v5.

thanks.

Depends on whether you go with the Monitor's or the Studio's...

In mine & many peoples opinions, the studio's will perform much better with a much larger amp.... The monitors on the other hand will perform spectacular with moderate powered receivers... for example, I listened to Monitor 11's with the CC-390 and small ADP's running off of a HK 75 wpc reciever... they sounded awesome..

Thanks for all your replies dave33ca, right now I only have a Pioneer VSX-515 (110w x 6) would it be enough for the 9, 390, mini's?

The monitors will sound awsome with that receiver, they don't need much power to sound awsome. And that receiver has ample power to make them sound terrififc. Pioneer and paradigm make a good match in my book.

my system which is monitor 9v.5 fronts, cc-390 and monitor 7 v.4 for my rears is being powered by the denon 3805 receiver, and lemme tell ya it kicks ass, so a decent receiver with power makes these speakers friggin shine. Like alot of posts have stated, the monitor series don't neeed tons of power to sound awsome.

for sure its all personal taste.

Are you Canadian or American?

Sorry for the delayed response... Had to leave... I''m an American.

Sorry for the delayed response... Had to leave... I''m an American.
cool

Hi,

I inherited some Titan surround speakers, an LCR-150 and a PDR-10. I believe the Titans and the PDR are version 1 of those models, since there is no version information that I can find on the speaker. I don't believe there were multiple versions of the LCR-150, but I could be wrong.

Does anyone know where I can find out more information on these speakers, like specs and stuff like that?

Thanks!

Hi all,

I am in the process of having addition built to our house and I carved out a nice 20x24 with 10' ceiling room for my home theater, football viewing etc. The size of the room was easy, choosing a TV and speakers is not. I had heard of Paradigm but never actually heard them. Started to read this thread but 148 pages was a lot to read through so I was hoping you guys familiar with the equipment could help me.

Since it is a fairly large room I was thinking of the Studio 100's CC-690, ADP-590 and Servo-15. Now I read there are different versions of these speakers. If I buy them will I get V5 by default? At what point were V4 phased out? Some people seem to not like the new tweeter in the 100's, what is the general consensus? I might be able to afford the Sig 8's if I buy the pieces over a year or so. Regardless I will make do with my Onkyo SV909 receiver for a little while but will upgrade to something better over time. Not sure if that is overkill...

Another thing is the dealer I visited offered 10% off if I bought a few pieces. Is this low? The one good thing it is in NH and there is no sales tax. So it's almost like 15% off for me (I live in Mass with 5% tax)...

Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Derek

Hi all,

I am in the process of having addition built to our house and I carved out a nice 20x24 with 10' ceiling room for my home theater, football viewing etc. The size of the room was easy, choosing a TV and speakers is not. I had heard of Paradigm but never actually heard them. Started to read this thread but 148 pages was a lot to read through so I was hoping you guys familiar with the equipment could help me.

Since it is a fairly large room I was thinking of the Studio 100's CC-690, ADP-590 and Servo-15. Now I read there are different versions of these speakers. If I buy them will I get V5 by default? At what point were V4 phased out? Some people seem to not like the new tweeter in the 100's, what is the general consensus? I might be able to afford the Sig 8's if I buy the pieces over a year or so. Regardless I will make do with my Onkyo SV909 receiver for a little while but will upgrade to something better over time. Not sure if that is overkill...

Another thing is the dealer I visited offered 10% off if I bought a few pieces. Is this low? The one good thing it is in NH and there is no sales tax. So it's almost like 15% off for me (I live in Mass with 5% tax)...

Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Derek
the studio lines newest would be v4.

Since it is a fairly large room I was thinking of the Studio 100's CC-690, ADP-590 and Servo-15. Now I read there are different versions of these speakers. If I buy them will I get V5 by default? At what point were V4 phased out? Some people seem to not like the new tweeter in the 100's, what is the general consensus? I might be able to afford the Sig 8's if I buy the pieces over a year or so. Regardless I will make do with my Onkyo SV909 receiver for a little while but will upgrade to something better over time. Not sure if that is overkill...

I think you'd be fine with the Studio series. No offense, but it would be an audio in-justice to drive Signatures with a receiver. Since it sounds like you are just doing movies and tv listening, I would save the money, get some seperates or at least an amp, and possibly think about two subs. Not to mention some room treatments.

Oztech is correct, you'd be getting V.4 in the Studio line.

Whatever I get, I would be upgrading the receiver to Amps over time. I just don't want to have to buy speakers again in a few years if I am dissatisfied with some aspect of the speakers.

Can someone please explain what the version numbers are for the studio/monitor/signatures lines mean and when they made changes, what to look for etc?

Thanks again,
Derek

I believe the latest versions are:

Studio: v4
Signature: v2

Ref Servo-15: v2 (I haven't read of updates)
Sig Servo-15: v1 (I haven't read of updates)

I've heard of wide range of the various updates with regards to studio and signature. I assume you are planning to buy a new speaker set-up, so I would go and listen to determine if you like what you hear in terms of the latest version available.

I have the Newest version of the studio's that just came out in Oct. 06.
Same setup as you are looking at, 100's, CC-690 and 20's rear... SVS Sub Plus/2
They are version 4 and sound amazing to me... with a good size amp.. 200x5
The newest monitor line is the .v5 but I wouldn't even look there... Not nearly as good sounding as the Studio's.

The Signature line is just being released as .v2...

The newest monitor line is the .v5 but I wouldn't even look there... Not nearly as good sounding as the Studio's.

So someone should'nt even bother with the Monitor Line, even if it means going beyond their budget? Are they worth the extra $2000(Mon 11 vs Studio 100)?

So someone should'nt even bother with the Monitor Line, even if it means going beyond their budget? Are they worth the extra $2000(Mon 11 vs Studio 100)?


The studio speakers sound fantastic, better than the monitors. But if your budget only allows a certain amount of money then trust me when I tell ya, the monitor series will sound great, you will be happy with them.

The studio speakers sound fantastic, better than the monitors. But if your budget only allows a certain amount of money then trust me when I tell ya, the monitor series will sound great, you will be happy with them.

$2000 worth of sounding fantastic?

Sounds like a matter of preference to me. Personally, I held out and slowly built a Studio v3 system over the period of 2 1/2 years. To me, it was worth the wait. But, if I didn't have other decent speakers to use in the interim (Paradigm Performance), I might have jumped on a less expensive set.

J.

I will preface my comments with this: I havent fully broken in my new Monitor 11s yet.. but that having been said, I expect they will get better not worse over time.

5 or more pages back, you may find my posts about debating between the Studio series etc.

While I auditioned the Studios and Monitors, ultimately I went with the Monitors. I purchased two Monitor 11 v.5s for the fronts, and a CC390 for the Centre. I have a PS1000 sub, and Infinity bookshelfs for the rear.

I had enough money to buy whatever I wanted really, but at the same time one wants to be reasonable... not all of us have to be an audiophile to the nth degree.

So to the question of will they (Studios comparatively) sound $2,000 fantastic? Not for my wallet book!

I think some of the hardcores here can take things to the extreme... and thats totally awesome. But they forget that somewhat average folks like us might not matter so much. (and for me, I am trying to buy my wife a new car, myself a new car... so every dollar for one frivolous expense comes from the other).

I am definitely an audio enthusiast, and would never be caught with a HTIB. So its not that my tastes arent demanding, its just that they arent exacting to the point of spending and extra $2,000 for arguably marginal improvements.

Long story short: The Monitor 11s and CC390 sounds freaking amazing to my ears. They are all I hoped for and then some. The 390 is a massive beast, but having that much behind the centre channel makes a notable difference. The integration when playing music on PLII:Music setting, and fine tuning the Centre setting is seamless and beautiful.

I am so happy that I did not spend the extra $$ on the Studio series, because I am perfectly thrilled with my new monitors.

And the deal I got.... $2,098+tax retail Canadian... I got them for $1,393.81

So, in my opinion, the Monitors are a really excellent value.

A lot of people have Monitors and are completely happy with them.
They're an amazing deal.
Having said that, I also had the use of some mid end speakers for years, and i'm glad i saved the extra coin for Studios and bought a couple speakers at a time.
After i auditioned the studios vs. the monitors, there was no way i was getting anything less than the studios.
Take yer time.
Also, you don't HAVE to splurge on the 100's.
A pair of 40's or 60's with a good sub will sound just as awesome.
If you're going to go the HT route, you're going to need a subwoofer anyways right?

So someone should'nt even bother with the Monitor Line, even if it means going beyond their budget? Are they worth the extra $2000(Mon 11 vs Studio 100)?


Im sorry, I was answering someone who was already looking at the Studio's and sounded like his budget was setup to accomdate them and was asking about versions of the monitor line...

Your budget will prevail... I loved the Monitor 11's, personally I didn't care for the lessers of that line...

These are all just personal opinions... thats it...

my setup:
14x11 room
Monitor 9 fronts
CC370 center
ADP 370 surroud
PW2200 sub
Panny SA XR 57 receiver (looking to replace soon)

So last night I set all my speakers to large and played through a couple of movies. Much to my surprise, the speakers sounded much more full and proper when set at large than when all small with the sub at 80. Now the sub is still crossed over at 80 but everything else is large.

Is this the ideal scenario? Should I have been running them "large" from the beginning? My viewing is mainly movies (HD DVD and BR). Also, I know my receiver is rather low end and was wondering if I'd have decent benefit from a higher end Marantz/Pioneer/Denon (basically waiting for something with 4HDMI inputs). Are there certain receivers that perform better with the Paradigm? I know Rotel is well liked by many but the 4HDMI inputs are a key for me.

Any help tips would be greatly appreiacted. I've had this setup for about 6 months now and absolutely love it but I don't know much about the finer details of audio so I'm always looking to improve my experience.

monitor series usually work well with almost all mid level rec as far as crossover play
with settings try a lower crossover point 70 or 60 hz if everything is up to working
order setting almost any speaker to large is a waste almost none can produce the last
octave and making it try will be a strain on almost any receiver.

Im sorry, I was answering someone who was already looking at the Studio's and sounded like his budget was setup to accomdate them and was asking about versions of the monitor line...

Your budget will prevail... I loved the Monitor 11's, personally I didn't care for the lessers of that line...

These are all just personal opinions... thats it...

no reason to be sorry, I personally don't have a budget, other than no money. So .... I'll be happy with anything thats better than what I got now. It would take me a year or so to get a whole 5.0 set up. (Mon 9, cc-290,pair of minis) I aint rich.!

monitor series usually work well with almost all mid level rec as far as crossover play
with settings try a lower crossover point 70 or 60 hz if everything is up to working
order setting almost any speaker to large is a waste almost none can produce the last
octave and making it try will be a strain on almost any receiver.

would the 9's,cc-290, minis as rears be ok with a Pio 515

VSX-515 model:

VSX-515 . . 110 W (20–20,000 Hz, THD 0.7%, 8Ω)

Front. . . . . . 110 W per channel (1kHz, 1.0%, 8Ω)
Center . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .110 W (1kHz, 1.0%, 8Ω)
Surround . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 110 W per channel(1kHz, 1.0%, 8Ω)
Surround Back . . . . . . . .110 W (1kHz, 1.0%, 8Ω)

• Total harmonic distortion
VSX-515 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.09 % (1kHz, 110 W, 8Ω)

would the 9's,cc-290, minis as rears be ok with a Pio 515

VSX-515 model:

Front. . . . . . 110 W per channel (1kHz, 1.0%, 8?)
Center . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .110 W (1kHz, 1.0%, 8?)
Surround . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 110 W per channel(1kHz, 1.0%, 8?)
Surround Back . . . . . . . .110 W (1kHz, 1.0%, 8?)

• Total harmonic distortion
VSX-515 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.09 % (1kHz, 110 W, 8?)
i only heard the monitors with the pio 1015 and it worked fine not sure about the 515.

i only heard the monitors with the pio 1015 and it worked fine not sure about the 515.
well Im sure theyll play, I plan on getting a better av anywayz

Unfortunately, the panny doesn't crossover lower than 80.
I fooled around with Large/small and eventually settled on keeping my 40/20/470 combo on the small setting for reasons that Oz just explained.
It's all a matter of personal preference really.

That Paradigm/Panasonic combination is certainly potent eh Robert?
I'm enjoying pretty much the same thing myself.
I seriously doubt you're going to achieve a huge performance gain with any of those brands you listed. Not unless, you're willing to start dropping mega-bucks.
I'm in the same boat too, though. I need HDMI's and lots of em.
I like the panasonic so much, though, i'm just going to wait until the next one comes out.
Hopefully, the xr-707 end specs will include 3in/1out.

Hi. I just bought an Athena AS-P300 subwoofer, but I have no idea how to set it up with my Paradigm 5se front speakers. The Athena manual says to set the "Low Pass Filter Control" to match my front speakers and that the best way to start finding the correct frequency is to set the control to the low level cut off of the front speakers, which specification can be found in the owner's manual of the speakers. Problem is that I've had these speakers for about 10 years and don't have any idea where the manual is now. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Unfortunately, the panny doesn't crossover lower than 80.
I fooled around with Large/small and eventually settled on keeping my 40/20/470 combo on the small setting for reasons that Oz just explained.
It's all a matter of personal preference really.

That Paradigm/Panasonic combination is certainly potent eh Robert?
I'm enjoying pretty much the same thing myself.
I seriously doubt you're going to achieve a huge performance gain with any of those brands you listed. Not unless, you're willing to start dropping mega-bucks.
I'm in the same boat too, though. I need HDMI's and lots of em.
I like the panasonic so much, though, i'm just going to wait until the next one comes out.
Hopefully, the xr-707 end specs will include 3in/1out.


yeah, the Panny packs quite a suprising punch! I was shocked how well it performs at its price range but with a HD DVD player, PS3, Xbox Elite and a DVR with HDMI, a new receiver is calling. I'm not into dropping mega bucks to be honest. For my room size, this combo packs quite a punch. I'm quite happy, esp. now that I set them to large and as you stated, it's personal preference.

However, playing U571 HD DVD tonight, I did some "small/large" testing. Had volume set at -25. With speakers set to large and crossover at 80, the picture had a much more full sound to it. A great example would be the depth charges going off. Since the charges were above the sub, I could damn near feel them and it was quite clear that the explosions were happening above me. Not to mention the whole room shaking paid off.

Now with the speakers set to small and the sub still at 80, I was missing a lot of that buildup. When it came down to it, the sub did produce the bass but the transition from the quiet parts to the buildup of the explosion was missing as with a lot of the effects during the multiple explosions and the action within the ship. To me, the large setting all the way around provided a much more rich sound and a more immersive experience. I'll try it out with King Kong and Black Hawk Down next and see how that goes :)

And the deal I got.... $2,098+tax retail Canadian... I got them for $1,393.81

do you mean you got a pair of monitor 11 + a cc390 for that price canadian?

i can only have the pair of M11 for that price around here....

My dealer is selling them for:

All $CANADIAN$ plus tax ( for me 14%)

Monitors Version 5

Atom Monitor - $250
Mini Monitor - $375
Titan Monitor - $479
Monitor 7 - $699
Monitor 9 - $849
Monitor 11 - $1199

CC-190 - $239
CC-290 - $399
CC-390 - $599

gobbluth, what part of the country you in?

Is this the ideal scenario? Should I have been running them "large" from the beginning? My viewing is mainly movies (HD DVD and BR).

There is no absolute rule weather you should be running them large or small.
Unless you are gonna get into graphing and running frequency sweeps and try to find holes and nulls and overlaps, then trust your ears. Running them large might tax your "amp-age" a little more, but if you are not overdriving your speakers and "large" sounds fuller and you "hear" more information, then run them large. If you are getting clipping and your drivers are bottoming out, then set them to small.
The freg. response of your speakers will be alot different in your room than Paradigms Anechoic chamber they test them in. You have a lot of things that are gonna change their capability in your room, not too mention possible phase issue with your sub.
Just go with your ears or have your dealer come out and acoustically measure your room and set it up for you.


would the 9's,cc-290, minis as rears be ok with a Pio 515

Who knows if you're really gonna get 110 watts per channel all channels driven.
However the Monitor series is very efficient, and unless your hearing distortion or clipping, you should be fine. OTOH it wouldn't hurt to upgrade that avr.

A lot of people have Monitors and are completely happy with them.

The Monitors are a great value. Of course they are not gonna be as good as the Studios, but the Studios cost more and should be better. I have both Monitors and Studios in my house right now. 11's and 390 and then my 60's and 690. (V.4) I am driving them with just bottom of the barrel electronics (Anthem 20 and ATI 1505), but still could hear their differences and I was surprised at how good the Monitors were. Where the Studios clearly out shine the Monitors IN MY OPINON, is the tweeter. Then the mids, then the bass. Compared to version 3 of the Studios, I think it would be much closer with the V.5 monitors.

But then again I might be dumb....

Who knows if you're really gonna get 110 watts per channel all channels driven. However the Monitor series is very efficient, and unless your hearing distortion or clipping, you should be fine. OTOH it wouldn't hurt to upgrade that avr.

I know my avr blows, I'll be upgrading it sometime for sure. Working on getting some real speakers first. Hard to tell if I'm hearing any distortion or clipping with my present setup, as my current speakers blow also.

Please know I am not dogging your receiver, just don't get hung up on wattage and frequency ratings.

Please know I am not dogging your receiver, just don't get hung up on wattage and frequency ratings.

I'm dogging my own avr, no problem.

do you mean you got a pair of monitor 11 + a cc390 for that price canadian?

i can only have the pair of M11 for that price around here....

Yep... $1,575 after tax (6% + 7%)

gobbluth, what part of the country you in?

Vancouver Island

Yep... $1,575 after tax (6% + 7%)

Whats the name of your dealer? If you don't mind me asking.

pm sent

would the 9's,cc-290, minis as rears be ok with a Pio 515

VSX-515 model:

VSX-515 . . 110 W (20–20,000 Hz, THD 0.7%, 8Ω)

Front. . . . . . 110 W per channel (1kHz, 1.0%, 8Ω)
Center . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .110 W (1kHz, 1.0%, 8Ω)
Surround . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 110 W per channel(1kHz, 1.0%, 8Ω)
Surround Back . . . . . . . .110 W (1kHz, 1.0%, 8Ω)

• Total harmonic distortion
VSX-515 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.09 % (1kHz, 110 W, 8Ω)

The Denon does a great job powering the speakers. That's one of the nice features of the new Monitor series, they don't require a lot of power to get great performance out of them. My room is about 14x20 with eight foot ceilings.
The Denon AVR-1802 is rated at 80Watts per channel with 8ohm load and he's getting great performance. 80Watts to 110Watts is only 1.4dB gain. You need a 160Watt/channel Receiver to get 3dB more gain from 80Watts. When you get into <90dB Sensitivity speakers and large rooms external amps are required like the Studio series. I too was thinking getting but I'm holding off now.

Update, it doesn't look like I'll be getting my speakers today, dealer is saying Friday; we'll see. :(

...Angelo

yeah, the Panny packs quite a suprising punch! I was shocked how well it performs at its price range but with a HD DVD player, PS3, Xbox Elite and a DVR with HDMI, a new receiver is calling. I'm not into dropping mega bucks to be honest. For my room size, this combo packs quite a punch. I'm quite happy, esp. now that I set them to large and as you stated, it's personal preference.

However, playing U571 HD DVD tonight, I did some "small/large" testing. Had volume set at -25. With speakers set to large and crossover at 80, the picture had a much more full sound to it. A great example would be the depth charges going off. Since the charges were above the sub, I could damn near feel them and it was quite clear that the explosions were happening above me. Not to mention the whole room shaking paid off.

Now with the speakers set to small and the sub still at 80, I was missing a lot of that buildup. When it came down to it, the sub did produce the bass but the transition from the quiet parts to the buildup of the explosion was missing as with a lot of the effects during the multiple explosions and the action within the ship. To me, the large setting all the way around provided a much more rich sound and a more immersive experience. I'll try it out with King Kong and Black Hawk Down next and see how that goes :)
If your looking for a new receiver i just bought monitor 9's and a yamaha htr 5960. For $315 online it offers plenty of features and it's amp section is highly rated for the price, not to mention it blew away i think the same receiver u have in a audioholics review of the yamaha rxv 659 which has the same amp section. In my small rooms it drives them good especially in stereo where it rated 120 x 2 20 - 20000hz. However i feel like they could take more power and in drooling over this emotiva amp for only $499 at 125 x 5all ch driven. I bet that would be perfect for the monitor line.

not to mention it blew away i think the same receiver u have in a audioholics review of the yamaha rxv 659 which has the same amp section.

well, firstly, the reviewer was using his buds Xr-50 as reference.
We displaced his Panasonic XA-SR50 digital receiver and were excited to hear any sonic improvements in his system with the Yamaha receiver.

Rob and I both have the Xr-57. I, myself, had the 50 for a couple years and recognize the 57 to be slightly ahead of it as far as performance goes.
Add to that, the result of the review never really indicated a clear improvement over the panasonic.

Now, this isn't the place for that can of worms to be opened, but i don't think an observation as volitile as "blew it away" should apply here.
Just my opinion.

Hi. I just bought an Athena AS-P300 subwoofer, but I have no idea how to set it up with my Paradigm 5se front speakers. The Athena manual says to set the "Low Pass Filter Control" to match my front speakers and that the best way to start finding the correct frequency is to set the control to the low level cut off of the front speakers, which specification can be found in the owner's manual of the speakers. Problem is that I've had these speakers for about 10 years and don't have any idea where the manual is now. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Anyone? Please?

letsee13, try searching for the 5se online. Articles or reviews might have the info.

Or email Paradigm. They should be able to tell you.

Of course as soon as I post this, someone will come up with the answer. :)

My dealer is selling them for:

All $CANADIAN$ plus tax ( for me 14%)

Monitors Version 5

Atom Monitor - $250
Mini Monitor - $375
Titan Monitor - $479
Monitor 7 - $699
Monitor 9 - $849
Monitor 11 - $1199

CC-190 - $239
CC-290 - $399
CC-390 - $599

wow much cheaper...... here Dumoulin sells the monitor 7 800$ and monitor 11 1400$ canadian.

where and what is your dealer?

wow much cheaper...... here Dumoulin sells the monitor 7 800$ and monitor 11 1400$ canadian.

where and what is your dealer?
http://www.soundsfantastic.nb.ca/audio-video/index.html
or
http://www.audiotronic.ca/main.asp?send=eng&audiotronic=1

After reading this about bass management:
http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/get-good-bass/bass-management-basics-2013-settings-made-simple/

It would seem that my speakers set large all the way around isn't ideal and my sub shouldn't be producing any bass, if that's the case. So how is it that they sound better set to large and the sub is still producing bass?

Is the receiver sending the full range to the speakers and then when it gets a signal at or below the crossover range (set at 80) it sends that to the sub along with the full range to all 5 speakers?

So
All > 80 = 5 speakers
All < 80 = sub + 5 speakers

Do I have that right?

Is the receiver sending the full range to the speakers and then when it gets a signal at or below the crossover range (set at 80) it sends that to the sub along with the full range to all 5 speakers?

So
All > 80 = 5 speakers
All < 80 = sub + 5 speakers

Do I have that right?

I would guess that it depends on your receiver. On mine, if the speakers are all set to LARGE and the subwoofer is set to ON, then the sub gets all the frequencies below the crossover point, and your 5 speakers get everything (including the bass frequencies that are also going to the sub). Bear in mind that the crossover is not a sharp cutoff, but a gradual roll-off (the rate of rolling off below 80 Hz depends on the crossover design that your system uses).

You are probably ending up with some overly loud frequencies around the crossover point. The best way to check that is with a test CD (I use the Rives Audio Test CD 2, which has some bands that compensate for the uneven frequency response on my Radio Shack analog sound meter--no longer sold).

However, if you like your system with everything set to LARGE, then listen to it that way!

I'm about to buy a new avr.
How those will sound with my Monitor 9 v5?

Yamaha RX-V661

Onkyo TX-SR605

Mostly for movie but a bit of stereo music too.

What are the sound caracteristics for the Yamaha and Onkyo?
thank you

I would guess that it depends on your receiver. On mine, if the speakers are all set to LARGE and the subwoofer is set to ON, then the sub gets all the frequencies below the crossover point, and your 5 speakers get everything (including the bass frequencies that are also going to the sub). Bear in mind that the crossover is not a sharp cutoff, but a gradual roll-off (the rate of rolling off below 80 Hz depends on the crossover design that your system uses).

You are probably ending up with some overly loud frequencies around the crossover point. The best way to check that is with a test CD (I use the Rives Audio Test CD 2, which has some bands that compensate for the uneven frequency response on my Radio Shack analog sound meter--no longer sold).

However, if you like your system with everything set to LARGE, then listen to it that way!


Thanks pbarach. The article scared me a bit in the sense I felt as if I could damage my speakers which I'd hate to do. For the room and my ear tolerance, I never go below -20 on volume anyhow so I'm hoping that's safe.

maybe someone could help me in a purchase for this weekend. ive been debating which amp to get for my paradigm studio 100v4's i currently have a mca30 powering them. i was thinking of a anthem p2 or a bryston 4bsst, maybe someone can help me so i dont make a mistake on this purchase.

maybe someone could help me in a purchase for this weekend. ive been debating which amp to get for my paradigm studio 100v4's i currently have a mca30 powering them. i was thinking of a anthem p2 or a bryston 4bsst, maybe someone can help me so i dont make a mistake on this purchase.

Well Anthem should sound fine with the 100's, since they may have been used in the development ("voicing") of the Studios.

I use an Aragon amp with my 60's. sounds great. No experience with Bryston other than I have read that they have a similar sound to the Aragons. Also remembering my dealer saying they were a good match. Bryston has one heck of a warranty.

So, you can either flip a coin, or get both amps into your room at home for a demo, whichever is easier :)

...i currently have a mca30 powering them. .
Are you looking to sell your Anthem?

J.

BTW, the hunt to buy or sell a single Studio 20 v3 continues...anyone?...anyone?...

letsee13, try searching for the 5se online. Articles or reviews might have the info.

Or email Paradigm. They should be able to tell you.

Of course as soon as I post this, someone will come up with the answer. :)

I tried to email Paradigm but they have no "contact us" choice on their website and their website feedback form seems to bounce back when you hit "submit." is there another way to contact them by email?

And doesn't anyone still own a set of Paradigm 5se speakers other than me? :)

I'm about to buy a new avr.
How those will sound with my Monitor 9 v5?

Yamaha RX-V661

Onkyo TX-SR605

Mostly for movie but a bit of stereo music too.

What are the sound caracteristics for the Yamaha and Onkyo?
thank you

The 661 would undoubtedly have a better power section and a cleaner sound overall. I tried the 604 and now have the 6060/661, and the 6060 is a better amp. And people's reaction seems to be that the specs on the 604 was better than the 605. If you need the DTS MA and True HD decoders, then the 605 is the better bet.

maybe someone could help me in a purchase for this weekend. ive been debating which amp to get for my paradigm studio 100v4's i currently have a mca30 powering them. i was thinking of a anthem p2 or a bryston 4bsst, maybe someone can help me so i dont make a mistake on this purchase.

Hey, I was considering getting a new amp for my 100's and CC-690. Is the MCA30 not powerful enough for them? Any particular reason why your looking for a different AMP?

letsee13,

I'm gonna say that your 5's are possibly good to about the upper 50s' hz wise.
Depending on where you have them placed in your room, etc...

Are you using a receiver with a built in cross-over? Does it give you frequency choices? That will take care of the cross- over for you if you are feeding the sub line level. I would run your "5's" small. Then if you are using the receivers x-over, turn the x-over on the sub all the way up.

Quick story...

Almost five years owned Bose 701 II (front), VCS10 (center) & 161s (surrounds). The VCS10 sold recently on eBay, 161s on eBay and will be sold by tomorrow night and 701s will be sold by tomorrow night as well from Craigslist buyer.

Replacements: Studio 60 V4, CC-470 V3 and Cinema ADP V3 (I know, should've spent the extra $$$$ on ADP 470 or better, but my better half said "that's enough upgrades..." LOL!). All that's left of my original 5.1 set up are: Sony STR-DE985 (decent purchase nearly five years ago) and PDR-10. Can't wait 'til those two are replaced. Well, I can live w/ the PDR-10 for a while longer, but my receiver needs to go next. Possibly a Denon AVR4806CI? *shrugs*

Okay, story time over. Just wanted to share that. :)

maybe someone could help me in a purchase for this weekend. ive been debating which amp to get for my paradigm studio 100v4's i currently have a mca30 powering them. i was thinking of a anthem p2 or a bryston 4bsst, maybe someone can help me so i dont make a mistake on this purchase.

Check out the Crown XLS402D. Can be had for about $180 after Crowns current rebate offer.

After hearing these in a friends set-up (dedicated HT w/ Paradigm Studios) I borrowed one to demo with my Studio 100s. All I can say is WOW. These amps sound fantastic.

I sold my 200x5, THX certified, over priced Rotel and ordered 2 402Ds and 1 202D. All for less than $500.

My room layout is very different and I'm measuring about 5 feet apart on the inside of the speaker enclosures, since the 65" HDTV is at a 45 degree in the corner with the sofa and love seats at the opposite corner with listening positions ranging 9' to 11' to maximize seating area. It will be interesting if the CC-390 will make a big enough difference over the CC-290 in that layout. I'll keep reporting back on my progress.

THX...Angelo

Last-night I received my Paradigms! :D He also said to run the for 40 hours to brake them in, which I'm doing before calibration.

...Angelo

Last-night I received my Paradigms! :D He also said to run the for 40 hours to brake them in, which I'm doing before calibration.

...Angelo

cool Angelo, tell us how it goes.

Check out the Crown XLS402D. Can be had for about $180 after Crowns current rebate offer.

After hearing these in a friends set-up (dedicated HT w/ Paradigm Studios) I borrowed one to demo with my Studio 100s. All I can say is WOW. These amps sound fantastic.

I sold my 200x5, THX certified, over priced Rotel and ordered 2 402Ds and 1 202D. All for less than $500.

where do buy Crown?

Here are a few links. These are pro, rack mountable or stackable amps. The fans can be a little loud. Some guys have replaced them with quiet fans($5-$20 from local computer store), some have disconnected them altogether with no ill effects.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/home/navigation?q=crown
http://www.djdeals.com/amplifiers.htm
http://www.abesofmaine.com/search.do;jsessionid=87268DDD11CFCE810FEAD873712417ED

Company site - http://www.crownaudio.com/amp_htm/xls.htm

Also check out this thread - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=418666&page=1&pp=30

http://www.soundsfantastic.nb.ca/audio-video/index.html
or
http://www.audiotronic.ca/main.asp?send=eng&audiotronic=1


ermm..... it's the same site as Dumoulin.ca..... and the price is 800 and 1400 also.

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Of those three links listed it looks like DJDeals had the best deal at $282 for the XLS-402D, but I just picked up 5 of these guys at roaddogonline.com which is a division of CTS Audio.
http://www.roaddogonline.com/store/cart.php
I had talked to Crown on 4 different occasions to make sure that the Dealer I bought from was an Authorized one, and CTS is one of the few genuine Authorized Dealers. Musicians Friend, DJ Deals, and Abesof Maine are NOT Authorized. You take your chances on getting the rebate with them. Same thing for the E-Bay Sellers.
I was willing to pay more with CTS, but surprisingly they have the LOWEST price right now on the 402D at $269 with free shipping. That's $149 shipped after rebate! I ordered them this past Monday and I had them at my door on Wednesday.
Right now I have them in bridged mode, one each on my Studio 100 V.2's, and all I can say is wow. Clean, clear, powerful. These have to be the deal of the century!

Hi Guys

As said before, I am running Monitor 11v5s and CC390, and PS1000 sub, Infinity rears.
My Yamaha RXV740 crosses over at 80hz, which seems a bit high. SO if I set the speaker to "small" thats the crossover point.

I can also select to have the LFE signal sent to mains, sub, or both.

I did a bunch of listening last night, but could not decide what sounded better. Setting them (LCR) to Small resulted in more clear sounding mids and highs, but setting to large did give a bit more "fuller" sound.

I also had trouble (from my single test so far) which sub setting sounded best.

However, since you guys know the characteristics of these speakers... how would you set this system up based on "the numbers" ?

thanks in advance

ermm..... it's the same site as Dumoulin.ca..... and the price is 800 and 1400 also.

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Sounds Fantastic is not a Dumoulin, its owned privately, thats where I got my quote from. The Wacky Weatley store is a Dumoulin version here. Didn't like that store.

Here are a few links. These are pro, rack mountable or stackable amps. The fans can be a little loud. Some guys have replaced them with quiet fans($5-$20 from local computer store), some have disconnected them altogether with no ill effects.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/home/navigation?q=crown
http://www.djdeals.com/amplifiers.htm
http://www.abesofmaine.com/search.do;jsessionid=87268DDD11CFCE810FEAD873712417ED

Company site - http://www.crownaudio.com/amp_htm/xls.htm

Also check out this thread - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=418666&page=1&pp=30

Thanks for the links

Of those three links listed it looks like DJDeals had the best deal at $282 for the XLS-402D, but I just picked up 5 of these guys at roaddogonline.com which is a division of CTS Audio.
http://www.roaddogonline.com/store/cart.php
I had talked to Crown on 4 different occasions to make sure that the Dealer I bought from was an Authorized one, and CTS is one of the few genuine Authorized Dealers. Musicians Friend, DJ Deals, and Abesof Maine are NOT Authorized. You take your chances on getting the rebate with them. Same thing for the E-Bay Sellers.
I was willing to pay more with CTS, but surprisingly they have the LOWEST price right now on the 402D at $269 with free shipping. That's $149 shipped after rebate! I ordered them this past Monday and I had them at my door on Wednesday.
Right now I have them in bridged mode, one each on my Studio 100 V.2's, and all I can say is wow. Clean, clear, powerful. These have to be the deal of the century!

THANKS FOR THE LINK!

Of those three links listed it looks like DJDeals had the best deal at $282 for the XLS-402D, but I just picked up 5 of these guys at roaddogonline.com which is a division of CTS Audio.
http://www.roaddogonline.com/store/cart.php
I had talked to Crown on 4 different occasions to make sure that the Dealer I bought from was an Authorized one, and CTS is one of the few genuine Authorized Dealers. Musicians Friend, DJ Deals, and Abesof Maine are NOT Authorized. You take your chances on getting the rebate with them. Same thing for the E-Bay Sellers.
I was willing to pay more with CTS, but surprisingly they have the LOWEST price right now on the 402D at $269 with free shipping. That's $149 shipped after rebate! I ordered them this past Monday and I had them at my door on Wednesday.
Right now I have them in bridged mode, one each on my Studio 100 V.2's, and all I can say is wow. Clean, clear, powerful. These have to be the deal of the century!

Musicians Friend is an authorized dealer according to the e-mail I got from Crown customer service and they will price match.

Roaddog is the best deal on the 402D. DJDeals is the best price on the 202D but I would get an authorized dealer to match their price and buy from them.

cool Angelo, tell us how it goes.

Even though I running the Paradigms at -50 to -30 Volume uncalibrated, to my ears Paradigm sounds "Full", just the way I like it! I also ordered the CC-390 to replace the CC-290, which the dealer gave me an excellent upgrade price that I couldn't say NO to. :D

....Angelo

Hmmm...I must have stumbled across a Crown thread...

J.

Originally Posted by letsee13:

Hi. I just bought an Athena AS-P300 subwoofer, but I have no idea how to set it up with my Paradigm 5se front speakers. The Athena manual says to set the "Low Pass Filter Control" to match my front speakers and that the best way to start finding the correct frequency is to set the control to the low level cut off of the front speakers, which specification can be found in the owner's manual of the speakers. Problem is that I've had these speakers for about 10 years and don't have any idea where the manual is now. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

hope this helps:
Freq resp 38 - 20, 90 spl eff, crossover 2.5k, impedence 8/6 ohms nominal/minimum

Even though I running the Paradigms at -50 to -30 Volume uncalibrated, to my ears Paradigm sounds "Full", just the way I like it! I also ordered the CC-390 to replace the CC-290, which the dealer gave me an excellent upgrade price that I couldn't say NO to. :D

....Angelo


Awesome!.. your gonna love the 390. I got mine on a trade in for the v.4 centre channel and some cinema adp's.. talk about a deal eh?.