Even though I running the Paradigms at -50 to -30 Volume uncalibrated, to my ears Paradigm sounds "Full", just the way I like it! I also ordered the CC-390 to replace the CC-290, which the dealer gave me an excellent upgrade price that I couldn't say NO to. :D

....Angelo

I changed my mind also , getting the 390 instead of the 290, go big or go home :cool:

Those of you who have the CC390, how do you have them placed in your setup? Please post some pics of your setups. Am I crazy for thinking I can put one on top of my Sony 60XBR1 Rear Projection set?

Those of you who have the CC390, how do you have them placed in your setup? Please post some pics of your setups. Am I crazy for thinking I can put one on top of my Sony 60XBR1 Rear Projection set?

yah good point! show some pics

yah good point! show some pics

Here's a pic with the Premier J-18C v.2 Stand with the CC-290 center speaker on the stand and both Monitor 11v5 speakers and my Toshiba 65H85C 65" RPCRT HDTV. On Paradigm's web site there was a link, which I can't find but Premier supplies stands for Paradigm it might be the same company, don't know. Your dealer that supplies Paradigms should be able to order it for you.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/Angelo913/Angelo_HT1.jpg

I'm still in the "breaking-in" period. But last-night, I ran in to an audio sound issue were the CDs and FM stations sounded too bright like no low-end after trying to figure out the problem for an hour, the "night-mode" was enabled on th Yamaha HTR-5960 and as soon as I disabled it there was LIFE in my Paradigms! :D I'm still learning this Yamaha. :o For HD DVD and DVD viewing I use the Yamaha's zero processing "Multi-Ch Input" from my HD DVD HD-A1 player which does all the processing. I watched StarWar's Attack of the Clones and the Sound was just Amazing!

....Angelo

Here's a pic with the Premier J-18C v.2 Stand with the CC-290 center speaker on the stand and both Monitor 11v5 speakers and my Toshiba 65H85C 65" RPCRT HDTV. On Paradigm's web site there was a link, which I can't find but Premier supplies stands for Paradigm it might be the same company, don't know. Your dealer that supplies Paradigms should be able to order it for you.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/Angelo913/Angelo_HT1.jpg

I'm still in the "breaking-in" period. But last-night, I ran in to an audio sound issue were the CDs and FM stations sounded too bright like no low-end after trying to figure out the problem for an hour, the "night-mode" was enabled on th Yamaha HTR-5960 and as soon as I disabled it there was LIFE in my Paradigms! :D I'm still learning this Yamaha. :o For HD DVD and DVD viewing I use the Yamaha's zero processing "Multi-Ch Input" from my HD DVD HD-A1 player which does all the processing. I watched StarWar's Attack of the Clones and the Sound was just Amazing!

....Angelo

Nice setup, hard to see the center, could take the grills off all the speakers and take a new pic? Whats the speaker on the shelf in the right side of the pic?(rear surround?)

Nice setup !

Nice setup, hard to see the center, could take the grills off all the speakers and take a new pic? Whats the speaker on the shelf in the right side of the pic?(rear surround?)

Nice setup !

THANKS! Here's another pic. The right speaker is the right surround Mini-Monitor v5.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb136/Angelo913/Angelo_HT3.jpg

Both the left surround Mini-Monitor and PW2200 12" Sub (doubles as a table for the light and phone) is in the left corner. It's "my" best 5.1 layout without having speaker wires all over the place.

...Angelo

Thanks for the new pics. Whats your room size? Is it opened to another room, must be if you have the tv on an angle like that. Nice runners on the av rack stand :D .

Pics of "my stuff" can be found in my sig.

Thanks for the new pics. Whats your room size? Is it opened to another room, must be if you have the tv on an angle like that. Nice runners on the av rack stand :D .

Pics of "my stuff" can be found in my sig.
Room size is 12'x15' it opens in to the kitchen area to about 22'x15' total. These speakers are more than enough for this room size, no need for external amps or higher powered receiver. Best purchase since my HD DVD player! :D

I bit of history on the AV Stand; my brother had a wood shop and custom build oak cabinets, tables, etc. I helped him out on weekends and I ended building this AV Stand about 13 years old and I still find it useful. ;)

...Angelo

Room size is 12'x15' it opens in to the kitchen area to about 22'x15' total. These speakers are more than enough for this room size, no need for external amps or higher powered receiver. Best purchase since my HD DVD player! :D

I bit of history on the AV Stand; my brother had a wood shop and custom build oak cabinets, tables, etc. I helped him out on weekends and I ended building this AV Stand about 13 years old and I still find it useful. ;)

...Angelo


How do you have the HD DVD player connected? I can't wait to get my speakers. Should be a year from now until I have the whole set. (9's, 390, Mini's). LOL

How do you have the HD DVD player connected? I can't wait to get my speakers. Should be a year from now until I have the whole set. (9's, 390, Mini's). LOL

I have the HD DVD player connected HDMI and Component. The HDMI is a direct connection to the 65" HDTV and Component to the Yamaha. I use both connection HDMI is calibrated for "clean" video and the Component is calibrated for a softer picture for "older" DVDs. Also, I use the HD DVD's player to decode the audio tracks and use the 5.1 analog out to the Yamaha.

I have to say my Audio system is now the most expensive part of my HT. The dealer offered me 1 year interest free (on credit approval) to get all my audio needs, which I took. :cool:

You will not be disappoint with these Paradigm Monitor's v5 if you prefer better mid and low-end sounding speakers than "bright", which gives a fuller sound.

...Angelo

I have the HD DVD player connected HDMI and Component. The HDMI is a direct connection to the 65" HDTV and Component to the Yamaha. I use both connection HDMI is calibrated for "clean" video and the Component is calibrated for a softer picture for "older" DVDs. Also, I use the HD DVD's player to decode the audio tracks and use the 5.1 analog out to the Yamaha.

I have to say my Audio system is now the most expensive part of my HT. The dealer offered me 1 year interest free (on credit approval) to get all my audio needs, which I took. :cool:

You will not be disappoint with these Paradigm Monitor's v5 if you prefer better mid and low-end sounding speakers than "bright", which gives a fuller sound.

...Angelo

thats one thing I don't have, credit :(

I can't wait to get my speakers. Should be a year from now until I have the whole set. (9's, 390, Mini's). LOL

Which speakers are you getting now?

...Angelo

Which speakers are you getting now?

...Angelo

Same as before, just changed my mind on the center. Was going to get the CC-290, getting the 390 instead. With Monitor 9 for the front and Mini Monitors for rears. All will be paired with my present subwoofer, an SVS 25-31PCi.

Same as before, just changed my mind on the center. Was going to get the CC-290, getting the 390 instead. With Monitor 9 for the front and Mini Monitors for rears. All will be paired with my present subwoofer, an SVS 25-31PCi.

I have watched a couple of movies with the Paradigms and the CC-290 does sound a bit "thin" compared to the L/R Monitor 11s. When I get the CC-390 I will have a better comparison.

Also my brother has the Paradigm Monitors 7v5, Paradigm Cinema 330 as a center and the Klipsch Synergy 10" Sub; this combination also sounds great too; I've only listened too music, and the Yamaha HTR-5920's 5-channel Stereo sound was very well balanced with all speakers. I was quite impressed with the combination of speakers used for the sound quality and it's very affordable 3.1 system too.

...Angelo

Can anyone offer advice on crossover/large/small settings from my post # 4497 on the previous page (150) ?

Hi Guys

As said before, I am running Monitor 11v5s and CC390, and PS1000 sub, Infinity rears.
My Yamaha RXV740 crosses over at 80hz, which seems a bit high. SO if I set the speaker to "small" thats the crossover point.

I can also select to have the LFE signal sent to mains, sub, or both.

I did a bunch of listening last night, but could not decide what sounded better. Setting them (LCR) to Small resulted in more clear sounding mids and highs, but setting to large did give a bit more "fuller" sound.

I also had trouble (from my single test so far) which sub setting sounded best.

However, since you guys know the characteristics of these speakers... how would you set this system up based on "the numbers" ?

thanks in advance

I would set the LFE to sub only
crossover at 80hz

seems to be the general consensus around here

Hi Guys

As said before, I am running Monitor 11v5s and CC390, and PS1000 sub, Infinity rears.
My Yamaha RXV740 crosses over at 80hz, which seems a bit high. SO if I set the speaker to "small" thats the crossover point.

I can also select to have the LFE signal sent to mains, sub, or both.

I did a bunch of listening last night, but could not decide what sounded better. Setting them (LCR) to Small resulted in more clear sounding mids and highs, but setting to large did give a bit more "fuller" sound.

I also had trouble (from my single test so far) which sub setting sounded best.

However, since you guys know the characteristics of these speakers... how would you set this system up based on "the numbers" ?

thanks in advance

I have just gone through the Yamaha HTR-5960 calibration. The speaker distances all but the subwoofer was correct. Also, all but the subwoofer speaker levels sounded correct, I have a dB meter on back order once I get I will verify. Plus I was also getting a Warning with the center having "Out Of Phase", checked the wiring twice and it's all correct. Plus I set equalization from AUTO to OFF. From what I can tell the Auto Calibration on the Yamaha is good for setting the my 5 channels. As for the Subwoofer calibration it's out to lunch, IMO. :D

With my 12" Sub with Monitor 11v5s, it sounds best with the cross-over set to 60Hz (not the 100Hz it was using with very low level too). And set all speakers to Small, (it set the Fronts and Surrounds to Large :eek: ).

Quick update:
I set the subwoofer volume level (dial on the back of the subwoofer) to 25%. Set the Yamaha to Default first and re-did the calibration. Now the cross-over was set to 40Hz and all speakers was set to Large, which I changed all to Small. Played some music CD tracks that I'm familiar with the sub level sound and dialed-up the subwoofer to the correct level, which in this case was around 50%. Now it sounds good. I'll have to listen to a couple of CDs and movie sound tracks. I can tweak the subwoofer dB value for all my inputs devices. This round of calibrating produced better results. These Monitor 11v5 really have full range. :cool:

Update #2:
Using 40Hz cross-over on the sub at low volumes would shut the sub off after a while. I now set the cross-over to 60Hz where is was the best setting before calibrating.

...Angelo

Paradigm as fianally added the new version 2 sigs to their site :D . They are still in the process of adding all the info and pics so some of them may not be up yet, but they should all be by the end of the day :)

65'' ? it must be a rear projection screen i guess...

Please post how's the new Sig. 2 compared to the Studios. I own Studio V.3. Thanks.

65'' ? it must be a rear projection screen i guess...

Yes. It's almost 2 years old.

...Angelo

Please post how's the new Sig. 2 compared to the Studios. I own Studio V.3. Thanks.


No comparison. I own the Sig. v2's (S8's, C5) and can't listen to them enough. I am in Audio Nirvana. I demoed the new Studio v.4's and as much as I wanted them to sound as good to save the $$ - I just couldn't. The sigs are simply more open, air, and markedly smoother. I coundn't be happier...I am sure I will own these speakers for many, many, years.

my setup (now with urls- damn 5posts rule):

- Denon AVR-3805 - 450$ (bought just before the 3806- great deal on the sucker)- waiting for HDMI 1.3 so I can refresh.
- Paradigm 7.1 Setup - ~2500-3500$ (can't remember):
>Monitor 11 (LF & RF)
>Monitor 5 (LS, RS, LBS, RBS)
http://www.paradigm.com/website/siteparadigmproduct/ParadigmModels/MonSeriesII/MonitorSpecs.htm

>Reference Signature Series 5 (CC)
http://signature.paradigm.com/HTML_Site/SigProduct/C5/C5.html

>PS Series PS-1200 (Discrete / Sub)
http://www.paradigm.com/website/siteparadigmproduct/ParadigmModels/SubWoofers/PS_Series_Specs.htm

thank you both

No comparison. I own the Sig. v2's (S8's, C5) and can't listen to them enough. I am in Audio Nirvana. I demoed the new Studio v.4's and as much as I wanted them to sound as good to save the $$ - I just couldn't. The sigs are simply more open, air, and markedly smoother. I coundn't be happier...I am sure I will own these speakers for many, many, years.


I second your observations - I really wanted to save the bucks also - demoed the V.4 Studio 100 vs. the V.1 Sig S8's - the 100's are good - really good - but they don't come close to the S8's - The S8's are unbelievably smooth and detailed - they do a great job of allowing you to hear all parts of the music. SO we bought them - with a C3 center.

Anyone ever use a single ADP for a rear surround...

I have a corner loading layout, and was thinking this could be a possible solution to get rear surround working in my situation...

Thoughts...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/IMG_1933.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/IMG_1934.jpg

Anyone ever use a single ADP for a rear surround...

I have a corner loading layout, and was thinking this could be a possible solution to get rear surround working in my situation...

Thoughts...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/IMG_1933.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/IMG_1934.jpg


Warp...I like your setup. I believe Boston Acoustics (I am sure other manufacturers make them too - but not Paradigm unfortunately) made a single dipole speaker that would play in stereo. In other words, you feed the speaker both rear channel cables and voila! - a single dipole speaker that sends sound in the appropriate direction. This type of speaker would work very well in your setup IMO.

Or...you could take 2 mini atoms and arrange them back to back deflecting them 45 degrees. This would work well too.

Warp...I like your setup. I believe Boston Acoustics (I am sure other manufacturers make them too - but not Paradigm unfortunately) made a single dipole speaker that would play in stereo. In other words, you feed the speaker both rear channel cables and voila! - a single dipole speaker that sends sound in the appropriate direction. This type of speaker would work very well in your setup IMO.

Or...you could take 2 mini atoms and arrange them back to back deflecting them 45 degrees. This would work well too.

Thanks ddimberio... its a comfy home....
I think that what I need is a Dipole speaker, I found this info..

The dipole (out of phase or indirect) mode offers a diffuse sound field that some experts recommend for immersive home theater audio. Switch them to bipole (in-phase or direct) mode and enjoy multi-channel music or home theater installations that require placement behind the listener.

Are the ADP's Dipole or Bipole... I was also looking at the Aperion 534-SS (http://www.aperionaudio.com/product/Intimus-534-SS-DipoleBipole-Surround-Speaker,21,30,111.aspx) which are switchable between either one... Piano Black.. and alot cheaper...
Still on the hunt...

Thanks

Warp

Thanks ddimberio... its a comfy home....
I think that what I need is a Dipole speaker, I found this info..



Are the ADP's Dipole or Bipole... I was also looking at the Aperion 534-SS (http://www.aperionaudio.com/product/Intimus-534-SS-DipoleBipole-Surround-Speaker,21,30,111.aspx) which are switchable between either one... Piano Black.. and alot cheaper...
Still on the hunt...

Thanks

Warp


Yes, you do need a dipole...and the ADP's are dipole - hence the DP in their name. Also, given your room setup, and the excellent quality of your front stage, I would recommend listening to music in 3 channel mode with your LCR's driving it all - just my humble opinion.

Anyone ever use a single ADP for a rear surround...

I have a corner loading layout, and was thinking this could be a possible solution to get rear surround working in my situation...

Thoughts...

Do you already have side surrounds, or just the front L/C/R?

My experience with the ADPs (470v3 model) is that if the "null" of the speaker is not facing towards the listener, then you might as well have direct radiating speakers.

In my room, my ADPs are on the sides of an "L" shaped sofa. One side of the sofa (which is parallel to the L/C/R speakers) is in line with the surrounds, which works great. The other side is perpendicular, which makes the ADP more easily localized.

If you have no surrounds at this moment, I would get two ADPs, and stand mount them behind the sofa, so that their "null" would cover the two best seats of the room.

Hey there JKhome.....

I already have a 5.1 setup, with 20's for my side surrounds, and wanted to see how a single rear surround would add to the mix... I didn't go with ADP's on the sides, because they are in the corners, and being far enough away from the listening position, the 20's work fantastic.

Don't mind the crappy pics, and the speaker wires are now in the walls...
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/HTPics002.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/HTPics007.jpg


With the corner layout, I know its a difficult layout, but I can either go with a single monopole speaker back there, or I can try a ADP (or something like it), to fill in that back area. I just figured that a single 20 back there, might be too close to add enough dispersion/ambiance that I would like acheive...
I just figured that with the side firing nature of the mid's and tweets, bouncing instantly off the walls might work here...

How do you guys get those pictures into your post? I'm trying to post a few shots of my setup for opinions on upgrading to a CC390 but I get a message about allowing scripted windows, and don't know what that means. A little help please!

How do you guys get those pictures into your post? I'm trying to post a few shots of my setup for opinions on upgrading to a CC390 but I get a message about allowing scripted windows, and don't know what that means. A little help please!

You can either
A: Using advanced reply mode, on the bottom, manage attachments... and upload a picture from your computer, but it has to be sized properly in kb's....

B: Using a free picture site like Photobucket (www.photobucket.com) , you can use the link they give you for the picture you uploaded there, and click the little yellow picture button above and add the link from that photobucket site...

there are plenty of free photo sites, even google has storage for this type of picture hosting.

You can either
A: Using advanced reply mode, on the bottom, manage attachments... and upload a picture from your computer, but it has to be sized properly in kb's....

B: Using a free picture site like Photobucket (www.photobucket.com) , you can use the link they give you for the picture you uploaded there, and click the little yellow picture button above and add the link from that photobucket site...

there are plenty of free photo sites, even google has storage for this type of picture hosting.

Thanks Warp, I'll try with one of those methods. Loving your setup by the way.

With the corner layout, I know its a difficult layout, but I can either go with a single monopole speaker back there, or I can try a ADP (or something like it), to fill in that back area. I just figured that a single 20 back there, might be too close to add enough dispersion/ambiance that I would like acheive...
I just figured that with the side firing nature of the mid's and tweets, bouncing instantly off the walls might work here...

I see. If you put one in the center of the corner, you may not get that much of a diffused sound, it may be more like having a direct radiator shooting at each side of the couch. May work great.

AFAIK, the new dipoles aren't sold as mirror pairs, don't know if you can buy just one. Mine came in one box per pair.

I see. If you put one in the center of the corner, you may not get that much of a diffused sound, it may be more like having a direct radiator shooting at each side of the couch. May work great.

AFAIK, the new dipoles aren't sold as mirror pairs, don't know if you can buy just one. Mine came in one box per pair.

Thats kinda what I was thinking with the reflection, as where the people are seated, they will bounce off the wall to the appropriate place for both sides... Might work kinda cool...

Now as far as getting one individually, why the hell do they put them on their website as $599.00 each... if you can't buy them each... WTF... typical.
Still waiting for the return call from my dealer... to see if he can get it that way.

And what does Fig. 4 tell you on this page... http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/literature/surrounds.php
How do you get 3 surround speakers, if you have to buy them in pairs.

Well dealer just got back to me, and I can order a single unit, No Returns... :(

What to do......

I've still got that single minty Studio 20 v3 in black ash if you decide to go the monopole route instead...:)

J.

Hey there is a guy that is looking for a 20 .v3 in the WTB forum.....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9344969&&#post9344969

Oh... and Your welcome... :)

Warp

Unfortunately he's looking for a pair...which I don't have...of speakers, that is. ;) I've only got one Studio 20.

Thanks anywho...

J.

I've got a possible lead on another single Studio 20 to complement my lonely speaker, but I'm looking to keep my options open until everything shakes out.

J.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/IMG_1933.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/IMG_1934.jpg

Ewwww.. Gah! hnnnn!! <shivers> How do you sleep at night with a mismatch of sound and video? You've got amazing speakers and a small tv. When you Center channel is as big as your tv - you know your tv is too small. Upgrade tv ASAP! :eek: :D

Well dealer just got back to me, and I can order a single unit, No Returns... :(

What to do......

I too have gone through the dilemma for a 5.1 system in a corner layout too. For years I've been talking with my friends about how to layout the surrounds and just stuck with the HDTV speakers with 12" Sub. Having HD DVD for over a year wanted a better sound system and just pulled the trigger and went for it. It's not the "ideal" 5.1 layout but I'm very happy with it and a BIG difference in SQ too. My pic are on page 151.

What stock does your dealer have on the Monitor v5 Series to demo? I would go for something in stock to demo then being stuck with something that will not work out.

...Angelo

Ok, so what is the general consensus on the new Studio line? I'm looking at picking up a Studio 60. Obviously, I can get the Ver3 probably for 1/2 the price of new Ver4. However, money isn't really that much of a factor here - sound is, since whatever I get, I plan on keeping for a few years.

Is the Ver4 more improved over Ver3, or are they so similar it's not worth spending extra for brand new Ver4?

Unfortunately he's looking for a pair...which I don't have...of speakers, that is. I've only got one Studio 20.

Wow... don't I look like an A$$.. whoops...
sorry...

Ewwww.. Gah! hnnnn!! <shivers> How do you sleep at night with a mismatch of sound and video? You've got amazing speakers and a small tv. When you Center channel is as big as your tv - you know your tv is too small. Upgrade tv ASAP! :eek: :D

Heheheh I got that 50"panny before I decided on the 690... what a monster...
TV upgrades won't be on deck until the 65" Pioneer 1080p Plasma comes down in price, and I get them at cost... :)

Yeah the dumping money on something that might not work out... hmmmmmm
He doesn't stock ADP's.. in either monitor or studio... but maybe I can find a pair used, at a better price, and if they don't work out, I can just sell them with nothing lost...

Is the Ver4 more improved over Ver3, or are they so similar it's not worth spending extra for brand new Ver4?


Hello there card player...

The general concensus here is that there are minor improvements to the Studio Line, but they do have their differences. They revamped the tweeter, and midrange driver a bit, as well as some cosmetic work.

I listened to the 100's side by side, and I liked the .v4's but the difference wasn't overwhelming... I think either way you go, you will be happy...


good luck

Warp

If moneys not an issue, you should go with the newest line, simply because when you are ready to sale or trade them in, and Paradigm has moved on to the v5 or 6 version out there, your old speakers will be less "obsolete".

Paradigm upgrades or "tweaks" their line more often than other manufacturers, one may argue to stay SOTA, but IMHO it's in order to get more glowing reviews out there more often.

Some new pics at http://www.castercomm.com/press.cfm?id=113

not sure if this has been posted yet but the Signature v2's are now up on the website with corresponding msrps

Paradigm owners,what are you using for speaker wire? I just purchased new V5 Monitors. Titans and CC-290's for the fronts and a pair of Mini Monitors for the rear.How about conectors? Bare wire,spades or banana plugs? Now I have to wait for my damn Onkyo to get here before I hook everything up.Once I do,I'll post some pics.Thanks for the help.

banana plugs and belden wire from blue jeans cable.

Paradigm owners,what are you using for speaker wire?

I use Liberty UltraCap (12/4 and 14/4) because of the in-wall rating, tough construction, and the fact that I can order it from a place in my state and get it in less than 48hrs. Could care less about the "THX" rating. I use Audioquest spade connectors because they are pure copper (for easier crimping), and come in the 5/16" size needed for Paradigm binding posts.

Found this thread on the wire, for more info:

http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=3926799

Of course after all the hoopla, you"ll notice the 4 conductor wire is color coded red/black/white/green, so at one point, it must of started out as appliance cord cabling. :D

what should i buy the new adp-590 or stick with adp-470.i`m hearing good and bad things about both of them., alot people are said its not worth paying the extra money for the newer 590 because 470 is just as good if not better.i`m little confuse about the whole thing,please help

not sure if this has been posted yet but the Signature v2's are now up on the website with corresponding msrps


When will the new Sig. V.2's hit the stores?

I'm interested in the new S1 & C1. I still don't see those on the site...

Hello,

I am trying to buy a new speaker system. The listening area from the wall behing the entertainment center to the wall behing the couch is only 12 feet. The room is about 30 feet wide, but the listening area is really only 14 feet wide. The floor is set up as a large area with an island in the middle which separates the kitchen, office, listening area, and dining room, as you walk around in a circle. The floors are hardwood and the ceiling is 8 feet high. I attached images to help clarify the acoustic environment. As you can see, the space is fairly small, even though it opens up on the sides. I am planning a 5.1 system and already have a Yamaha HTR-5790 (110W/Ch) for a receiver. I have planned on placing the mains on top of the entertainment center, the center below the TV, the sub to the left of the couch by the back wall, and the surrounds on stands (where they are now). I wish I could put the mains to the sides rather than the top of the entertainment center, but this is a problem as it would get in the way.

I have been thinking of the new Monitor V5 series with Titans for the mains and CC-190 for the center. I was thinking Titan because music listening is important and the larger speaker seemed like it would fill in the low end better, but perhaps the Mini Monitors would do just as well. The CC-190 seems like it should be adequate for the space, but would it still be timbre matched to the Titans? For the rears I was thinking Atom Monitors, and I'm not sure what the ADP-190s would give me for the extra $150USD (60%). Also, I am stumped on the sub. Too many choices, and I heard the Paradigms are a little boomy. I want to spend <$500USD for the sub and while I watch a lot of movies, music is more critical.

Finally, there isn't a vender in the area (Southern LA or Orange County, CA) that actually has this line in stock to listen to. Most of the local guys are only interested in the custom installation business and have little or no stock for evaluation. My best vendor has the new Atoms, but nothing else in the V5. The older Mini's sounded great and the Studio 20s a little better, but I'm thinking the new Titans should beat out the old Minis. But with no way to listen I'm starting to go nuts. Same issue deciding between the ADPs and the Atoms for rears, and on the Sub.

I feel like it's crazy to try to select hardware that I can't get to listen to first. Do I have to switch to a different manufacturer like Klipsch or should I be insane and buy without hearing.

Any of your opinions are welcome on any of this.

Thanks, BrinHB

those s1/c1's seem very pricey, is Berylium that sweet?

what should i buy the new adp-590 or stick with adp-470.i`m hearing good and bad things about both of them., alot people are said its not worth paying the extra money for the newer 590 because 470 is just as good if not better.i`m little confuse about the whole thing,please help

Well I have a set of ADP-590's on the way, and I will not be able to do a comparison from those and the 470's, but I would have to say looking at the picture that the 590's will likely fill better in the lower region, with the 7.5" front firing woofer.

http://i.wp.pl/a/f/jpeg/10919/kolumny-2-b.jpeg

http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/pics/paradigm_studio_adp470.jpg

the 590's do a much better job with overall dispersion of sound, they are alittle bit more "airy" with a very decent amount of low end. I thought after listenin to them after hearing the earlier version that they definetly improved sound quality as well as a non-localized sound. The monitor version did the same but obviously didn't sound as good.. Just my opinion. :D

what should i buy the new adp-590 or stick with adp-470.i`m hearing good and bad things about both of them., alot people are said its not worth paying the extra money for the newer 590 because 470 is just as good if not better.i`m little confuse about the whole thing,please helpJust so that you know, there was extensive discussion about the fact that the ADP-590 are no longer built as mirror image di-pole pairs. Whether that makes a difference or not is up for debate.

Ed

Well I have a set of ADP-590's on the way, and I will not be able to do a comparison from those and the 470's, but I would have to say looking at the picture that the 590's will likely fill better in the lower region, with the 7.5" front firing woofer.





I was surprised at how small the 590s are, when I got them on my walls:

http://ericbeth.home.comcast.net/chairsright.jpg

http://ericbeth.home.comcast.net/leftside.jpg

http://ericbeth.home.comcast.net/screenleft.jpg

They sound good, but I did not own the older model -- so nothing to compare to really. I'm still getting used to ADPs -- I think I like the zing of directs on the sides better, but with Studios up front, I wanted the Studio model on the sides too.

nice room caeser1 :cool:

Just so that you know, there was extensive discussion about the fact that the ADP-590 are no longer built as mirror image di-pole pairs. Whether that makes a difference or not is up for debate.

Ed


Just got my ADP-590s in yesterday, and to my surprise, upon inspection I found that they are made to be able to mount them upside down as well... the front grill with the symbol can be turned upside down as well... Im not saying this is right or wrong, just noting that it is possible.

In my situation I am only using 1 speaker as a rear, so it will not make any difference, I don't have to worry about phase issues....

I will be looking to sell a single ADP-590 so If anyone is interested let me know.

Just got my ADP-590s in yesterday, and to my surprise, upon inspection I found that they are made to be able to mount them upside down as well... the front grill with the symbol can be turned upside down as well... Im not saying this is right or wrong, just noting that it is possible.

In my situation I am only using 1 speaker as a rear, so it will not make any difference, I don't have to worry about phase issues....

I will be looking to sell a single ADP-590 so If anyone is interested let me know.

PM sent.

Just so that you know, there was extensive discussion about the fact that the ADP-590 are no longer built as mirror image di-pole pairs. Whether that makes a difference or not is up for debate.

Ed


I just joined this thread and have a pair of ADP-590s on the way. I searched this thread for ADP but a million (exageration) posts came up.

Can you point me to this discussion if on this thread? Maybe a page or something?

Thanks..

I just joined this thread and have a pair of ADP-590s on the way. I searched this thread for ADP but a million (exageration) posts came up.

Can you point me to this discussion if on this thread? Maybe a page or something?

Thanks..

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9994847&&#post9994847

I am a newbie for hometheater. could anybody give me some opinion for following system?

M&K 750 THX system

Paradigm Studio 40 + CC370 +ADP170

Which one is fit for me? 80% HT ,20% music........................Thanks

any reason why you're mixing studios (40) with monitors (370/170)?
you should at least try to get the front 3 from the same series.
also, be advised that M&K's factory is closed.
that happened just 2 months ago.

I'm not sure about you, but it would definitely affect my purchase decision as far as warranty/upgrading/repairs etc.
i'm not sure if someone bought them out or they just shut everything down.

Now that I have my new V5 Monitors,I am now looking for a sub to go with these. My living room is 15'6"x 16' with 8 foot ceilings. I have a pair of Titans,CC-290,and for my rear surrounds I am using a pair of Mini Monitors. I have about $500 to spend. What should I look at. Thanks for the help.

Now that I have my new V5 Monitors,I am now looking for a sub to go with these. My living room is 15'6"x 16' with 8 foot ceilings. I have a pair of Titans,CC-290,and for my rear surrounds I am using a pair of Mini Monitors. I have about $500 to spend. What should I look at. Thanks for the help.

With that set-up I would look at 10" subs.

My brother has the a pair of Monitor 7v5, Cinema 330 for a center and a Klipsch Synergy 10" Sub and the 3.1 combo sounds great for music too. For movies that 10" sub does very well too.

...Angelo

Now that I have my new V5 Monitors,I am now looking for a sub to go with these. My living room is 15'6"x 16' with 8 foot ceilings. I have a pair of Titans,CC-290,and for my rear surrounds I am using a pair of Mini Monitors. I have about $500 to spend. What should I look at. Thanks for the help.

For just a little more than that you could throw together a Rythmik 12"servo sub kit. Seems to be very popular over at the DIY speaker/sub forum.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=827369&highlight=rythmik

I am a newbie for hometheater. could anybody give me some opinion for following system?

M&K 750 THX system

Paradigm Studio 40 + CC370 +ADP170

Which one is fit for me? 80% HT ,20% music........................ThanksDo you realize that M&K went out of business?

Ed

I am looking to down size from my current set-up to a smaller TV and speakers. If anyone is interested in my Studio 100 v.4 's and the cc690 which are a few months old shoot me a PM. For the amount of time I had to listen to them I must say that it was a great improvement over my old 100's and cc450. Thanks Mike...

I am a newbie for hometheater. could anybody give me some opinion for following system?

M&K 750 THX system

Paradigm Studio 40 + CC370 +ADP170

Which one is fit for me? 80% HT ,20% music........................Thanks

The Studio and Monitors series speakers use different tweeters and in an HT system sound movement from one set of speakers to the next can sound slightly different. It's always best to stick with the same Make and Model of speaker for your whole surround system, so that all the speakers have the same sound.

But all that matters is if YOU can hear the difference. Have you listened to this setup? Your hears are the best way to make that decision.

...Angelo

Some eBay'er thinks he can sell a used PS-1200 (retails $699) at a starting price of $1000 + S&H.

Edit: Apparently, my copy/paste skills are teh sucks. Sorry, no link and it only has about 4 hours left.

The press release refers to "CoIA™ Cobalt-infused pure-aluminum woofer cones" in addition to the tweeter upgrades. A few lines down is the line "MLP™ mica-loaded co-polymer cones on midrange and bass/midrange drivers have now been upgraded in Signature v.2 to a performance-enhancing composite of cobalt-infused anodized pure-aluminum." I derive the phrases "woofer cones", "midrange drivers" and bass/midrange drivers" and wonder which drivers they are really talking about :-/

I crossed my fingers and placed an order last night for the S8s, C5 and ADPs. As long as they aren't substantially worse than the originals, they should still be better than anything else I've auditioned so far (in a few cases I was really surprised at how bad something could sound for several thousand US dollars...)

I've received the v2 S8s and the C5 so far, and the ADPs are apparently in route. The S8s are great, and I don't really hear anything noticably better or worse than I remember of the v1. My dealer didn't have a C5 to audition, so I bought it unheard, and that was a huge mistake. It has shortwave radio quality to it - chesty voices and an extremely dull high end. The noise source in the preprocessor used for leveling the system sounds noticably darker on the C5 than the S8s regardless of position or level. Swapping the C5 with an S8 shows the problem to be the C5, not the preprocessor or amp or center channel content. The TV was removed early on to isolate any resonances with its case or speakers. Test tones play clean up to 16KHz (apparently I can't hear a low level 17KHz tone anymore :-) so the crossover is passing high frequency information and the tweeter makes noise, so it's not an obvious wiring problem.

Is there anything else I can test here? I only have seven days to return it outright, and that window is closing fast. At this point I'd rather do a 4.1 system than have this center in my system.

Sounds like something is wrong with your center... Make it clear to your dealer right off...
I have a 690, with 100's and they sound great and sonically identical in my ears...

If a replacement center sounds the same, then I would want to return everything and look elsewhere for speakers... If you can't have an identically matched sound stage, then id say forget it.

UniqueName -

I'd have to agree with WarpDrive. The center sounds like it is defective. I have the Sig V.1 S4's and the C3 and they are a very close match in tonality. I can't imagine that Paradigm would screw up the sound of the C5 to the extent that you are describing.

- Tim

I would agree on the C5 being defective. It has been couple of years since I have heard it but it was nothing like a radio! Blended nicely with the V1 S8 it was playing with.

I have been looking at the SVS PB10-NSD to go with my Monitors. Anyone have this sub? How do you like it?

Sounds like something is wrong with your center... Make it clear to your dealer right off...
I have a 690, with 100's and they sound great and sonically identical in my ears...

If a replacement center sounds the same, then I would want to return everything and look elsewhere for speakers... If you can't have an identically matched sound stage, then id say forget it.
i agree i heard this speaker and it matches the s8 well i would suspect a defective
speaker.

I am planning on a 7.1 set up and getting Cinema Series 220's for my L/C/R and 110's for the Surrounds and Rear Surrounds, and the PDR-12 sub. The receiver will be the new Onkyo 805 (130 watts per channel). The room is 28ft long and 12.5ft wide and 9ft tall, the main seating will be about 13ft from the TV. Is there any problems with this?


Without the receiver its $1640, I am also going to use the pre-outs for zone 2 and 3 on the 805 for a side room and am looking to get the 90's $360 for 4. This adds up to $2000 which is pretty much my limit on speakers this doesn't include the stands. I also have to buy a TV (most likely the Mitsubishi WD-65734). The price of the TV is pretty much the same as the Speakers and receiver.

This will be the first time I have had a correctly set up theater room and receiver that accepts a digital signal instead of just the left and right analog input.

I am planning on a 7.1 set up and getting Cinema Series 220's for my L/C/R and 110's for the Surrounds and Rear Surrounds, and the PDR-12 sub. The receiver will be the new Onkyo 805 (130 watts per channel). The room is 28ft long and 12.5ft wide and 9ft tall, the main seating will be about 13ft from the TV. Is there any problems with this?




You would be better off not buying the Paradimg PDR series sub -- and instead buying an entry level sub from HSU or SVS. Either one will give you more for your money -- both quality and power.

Unless you are paying less than $450 for that sub.

I have been looking at the SVS PB10-NSD to go with my Monitors. Anyone have this sub? How do you like it?

I have both a PB10-NSD and a PB12-NSD (different rooms).

Love them both.

I have the PB10 with Atoms, and Ihave the PB12 with Studio 20s and Studio ADPs.

I would buy the PB12 if your room is more than 3000 cubic feet. length x width x height.

Can some one please explain crossovers in Paradigm speakers from the Monitor line. Is there some correlation between higher and lower numbers. Lower being worse and higher being netter? Or something else??

Like whats the difference's between these:

Monitor 9

2nd-order electro-acoustic at 500 Hz (lower bass drivers), 3rd-order electro-acoustic at 1.9 kHz

Monitor 7

2nd-order electro-acoustic at 700 Hz (lower bass drivers), 3rd-order electro-acoustic at 2.0 kHz


Titan Monitor

2nd-order electro-acoustic at 1.8 kHz



Thanks

Can some one please explain crossovers in Paradigm speakers from the Monitor line. Is there some correlation between higher and lower numbers. Lower being worse and higher being netter? Or something else??

The "order" of the crossover tells how steeply a speaker driver's frequency response rolls off above the crossover frequency. A 1st order filter reduces the response 6 dB per octave, a 2nd order 12 dB per octave, a 3rd order 18 dB per octave, and a 4th order 24 dB per octave. The goal is to get the flattest frequency response by choosing drivers and crossovers that work together, while at the same time trying to avoid distortions (i.e., phase shifts) in the sound that the crossovers can introduce.

Is there some correlation between higher and lower numbers. Lower being worse and higher being netter? Or something else??No - there is no correlation. It's just a matter of design parameters given the drivers and cabinet. Also - for all practical purposes, there is essentially no difference between 1.9 kHz and 2.0 kHz.

Ed

The "order" of the crossover tells how steeply a speaker driver's frequency response rolls off above the crossover frequency. A 1st order filter reduces the response 6 dB per octave, a 2nd order 12 dB per octave, a 3rd order 18 dB per octave, and a 4th order 24 dB per octave. The goal is to get the flattest frequency response by choosing drivers and crossovers that work together, while at the same time trying to avoid distortions (i.e., phase shifts) in the sound that the crossovers can introduce.

thanks for the reply, but can you explain it again. This time in easier terms that a laymen can understand. I think I get it, but I'm not sure.

No - there is no correlation. It's just a matter of design parameters given the drivers and cabinet. Also - for all practical purposes, there is essentially no difference between 1.9 kHz and 2.0 kHz.

Ed

so why would there be a 0.1 difference? Why not just use the same crossover?

thanks for the reply, but can you explain it again. This time in easier terms that a laymen can understand. I think I get it, but I'm not sure.

I'm a layperson, too, and I appreciate responses that aren't directed at engineers<g>. So I'll try and explain my response in more detail:

The Monitor 7 has 4 drivers. The system has a frequency response of 54 Hz to 20 kHz, with a variation in sound output across that range of no more than 2 decibels at any frequency. The less variation and the wider the frequency response, the more closely the speaker's output will match the signal it's getting.

The crossover's job is to make sure that the drivers get only the frequencies they are designed to handle well. So one of the crossovers filters out all of the frequencies above 700 Hz, and the lower frequencies go to the two low-bass drivers. However the cutoff isn't a cliff, it's a slope. The "order" of the crossover determines how steep the slope is. The Paradigm specs indicate that this crossover is "first order" (12 db per octave). A frequency of 700 Hz is close to the frequency of the F just above middle C on the piano (see http://www.uneeda-audio.com/piano.pdf for a chart showing frequency ranges of musical instruments). To go up an octave, you double the frequency, so at a frequency of 1400 Hz, one octave higher than the cutoff, the volume from the lower driver will have dropped off by 12 db. Go up another octave (2800 Hz), and the volume from the lower driver will be 24 db lower than the volume of the 700 Hz tone. Make sense.

Then there is a midbass driver on this unit. It gets all of the frequencies from 700 Hz up until its high-end crossover point of 2000 Hz, at which point there is another crossover, and the frequencies above 2000 Hz go to the tweeter. But remember that these cutoff points are not steep, but gradual roll-offs. Thus, this midbass driver is getting frequencies below 700 Hz, but reduced in volume at 12 db per octave as the signal gets lower in frequency. On the other end, the crossover at 2000 Hz is a "third-order" (i.e., 18 Hz per octave). So with a signal of 4000 Hz, one octave higher, this midbass driver is getting a signal that is 18 db softer than a frequency of 2000 Hz. Go up another octave to 8000 Hz, and the midbass driver will be getting a signal that is 36 Hz softer than the 2000 Hz crossover point.

Finally, we get to the tweeter, which gets frequencies below 2000 Hz that have been rolled off by that third-order crossover (i.e., rolled off below that point at 18 dB per octave). Everything above the crossover point goes full-strength to the tweeter up until the point that it can't play higher.

If you sum up the signals emitted by all of the drivers with the crossovers in place, you get the response of 54Hz to 20,000 Hz being flat within 2 dB in either direction, according to Paradigm.

Thanks, I think I get it.
So how would one crossover be better than an other? Not limited to Paradigms.

http://www.paradigm.com/images/Paradigm/technology/crossovers.jpg


http://www.svsound.com/products/speakers/sbs-features/g-crossover.jpg

Thanks, I think I get it.
So how would one crossover be better than an other? Not limited to Paradigms.

See this webpage, which has, near the beginning, a description of the design criteria of a good crossover:

* Rapid response cutoff outside the crossover frequency limits, so a driver doesn't receive frequencies it can't reproduce well.
* Uniform overall system frequency response, to avoid artificial coloration of the music.
* Good transient response for crisp reproduction of impulsive sounds.
* Minimum resistive losses and distortion.

http://www.silcom.com/~aludwig/Sysdes/Crossove_Design.htm

A good crossover design will aim to meet these criteria. Your ears will be the best judge of how well all of the speaker components are working together to reach these goals, assuming good electronics are at work, too.

See this webpage, which has, near the beginning, a description of the design criteria of a good crossover:

* Rapid response cutoff outside the crossover frequency limits, so a driver doesn't receive frequencies it can't reproduce well.
* Uniform overall system frequency response, to avoid artificial coloration of the music.
* Good transient response for crisp reproduction of impulsive sounds.
* Minimum resistive losses and distortion.

http://www.silcom.com/~aludwig/Sysdes/Crossove_Design.htm

A good crossover design will aim to meet these criteria. Your ears will be the best judge of how well all of the speaker components are working together to reach these goals, assuming good electronics are at work, too.

thanks, looks like a good read

I am considering Paradigms for my brother-in-law's HT setup. Perhaps some of you can take a look at the question I posed. Sorry if this cross-posting is bad form. I didn't want to repost it all here - I thought that would be worse. This seems to be the place for opinions on Paradigm, maybe someone can give their opinion.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=854129

Thanks,

Ben

Sounds like something is wrong with your center... Make it clear to your dealer right off...
I have a 690, with 100's and they sound great and sonically identical in my ears...

If a replacement center sounds the same, then I would want to return everything and look elsewhere for speakers... If you can't have an identically matched sound stage, then id say forget it.

Thanks for the feedback. I brought the C5 back to the dealer where it exhibited the same problems against a pair of new S6s, and with just the right deep voice it would actually crackle slightly. Apparently this a signature sound of a bad tweeter which hasn't failed completely (hence the ability to play the highest test tones.) They sent me home with a test C3 just to see if its a family problem or unique to this C5, and while it is a significant improvement on the high end, it's still too chesty on the low end. I've done some digging, and a C3v1 review in Ultimate AV and a C5v1 review in Home Theater both show a ~5dB drop across the octave from 600Hz to 1200Hz, which is right in the midrange, and it's a fault the S8s don't have.

I didn't have much time and wanted to get the C3 back, so my last test was to take a Mac with iTunes and play a CD with the the equalizer (this is the only EQ I could get my hands on) set to mimick the measured differences between the S8v1 and the C3v1 on the S8v2 by a adding a modest boost at 500Hz, a drop at 1000Hz, a small drop at 2000Hz, and a modest drop on the 8000Hz setting to offset a rise on the S8s, and my S8v2 sounded very similar to the C3v2. The high end on the S8s was still more open than the C3, which I doubt the C5 will correct. I didn't have time to try the reverse, but when the C5 gets "fixed" the dealer is going to try to drag in a parametric equalizer to see if we can get a better match with the S8s by filling in the hole on the center channel.

In the end, the C3 and C5 don't sound like the S8 in the midrange, and the difference in sound seems similar enough to the measured differences in the v1 line to suggest one shouldn't expect them to sound the same. I still love the S8s, but I really wish I hadn't ordered the center. As a special order the restocking fee is significant, and I'm left hoping that I can EQ may way to something tolerable, which I don't consider acceptable at this price.

Thanks for the feedback. I brought the C5 back to the dealer where it exhibited the same problems against a pair of new S6s, and with just the right deep voice it would actually crackle slightly. Apparently this a signature sound of a bad tweeter which hasn't failed completely (hence the ability to play the highest test tones.) They sent me home with a test C3 just to see if its a family problem or unique to this C5, and while it is a significant improvement on the high end, it's still too chesty on the low end. I've done some digging, and a C3v1 review in Ultimate AV and a C5v1 review in Home Theater both show a ~5dB drop across the octave from 600Hz to 1200Hz, which is right in the midrange, and it's a fault the S8s don't have.

I didn't have much time and wanted to get the C3 back, so my last test was to take a Mac with iTunes and play a CD with the the equalizer (this is the only EQ I could get my hands on) set to mimick the measured differences between the S8v1 and the C3v1 on the S8v2 by a adding a modest boost at 500Hz, a drop at 1000Hz, a small drop at 2000Hz, and a modest drop on the 8000Hz setting to offset a rise on the S8s, and my S8v2 sounded very similar to the C3v2. The high end on the S8s was still more open than the C3, which I doubt the C5 will correct. I didn't have time to try the reverse, but when the C5 gets "fixed" the dealer is going to try to drag in a parametric equalizer to see if we can get a better match with the S8s by filling in the hole on the center channel.

In the end, the C3 and C5 don't sound like the S8 in the midrange, and the difference in sound seems similar enough to the measured differences in the v1 line to suggest one shouldn't expect them to sound the same. I still love the S8s, but I really wish I hadn't ordered the center. As a special order the restocking fee is significant, and I'm left hoping that I can EQ may way to something tolerable, which I don't consider acceptable at this price.

I own the S8's and C5 v2, and for what it is worth, I think they sound unbelievably good and have 0 issues sonically. Sorry to hear of your experience.

As a special order the restocking fee is significant, and I'm left hoping that I can EQ may way to something tolerable, which I don't consider acceptable at this price.

I agree, if the L/C/R speakers are supposed to be timbre matched, I would call that false advertising. Your dealer isn't serving you well (mine has a no questions asked return policy for the first 30 days after purchase).

FWIW, years ago I used an EQ to halfway match a Def Tech center to a pairs of Thiels I had. Worked pretty well. Only downside was the higher noise floor added by the analog EQ, that may or may not be an issue for you. Just remember if you go with a digital EQ unit, you need to take in consideration the extra time delay involved in the A/D-D/A conversion.

But then again it may be a placement issue. Have you tried moving the center up/down, in/out?

I agree, if the L/C/R speakers are supposed to be timbre matched, I would call that false advertising. Your dealer isn't serving you well (mine has a no questions asked return policy for the first 30 days after purchase).

FWIW, years ago I used an EQ to halfway match a Def Tech center to a pairs of Thiels I had. Worked pretty well. Only downside was the higher noise floor added by the analog EQ, that may or may not be an issue for you. Just remember if you go with a digital EQ unit, you need to take in consideration the extra time delay involved in the A/D-D/A conversion.

But then again it may be a placement issue. Have you tried moving the center up/down, in/out?

I've spent about three days on placement, including removing the TV and some furniture, and moving the center far higher than the base of my TV screen without the TV to reflect noise from the rear ports. I've also done a lot of single channel testing as well to avoid stereo effects (say pick the left channel of a song and then switch between one S8 and one center placed where the S8 was at various heights.)

I've listened to a lot of speakers before looking at the measurements, and to date I've nailed every significant peak. I have a harder time with notches, where I can clearly hear something is wrong but typically perceive it as overemphasis of the space above and below the notch. Since most of the energy of a voice is in the midrange, a 5dB notch towards the upper midrange leaves much of the remaining energy of voices on the low side of the notch, which is where I'm perceiving an overemphasis. I have yet to hear a speaker with anomalous frequency response that could make up for it with dynamics, imaging or soundstage, and unfortunately this wasn't the exception.

As for the electronics, every surround source I have involves some form of lossy compression, so I'm not striving for the ultimate limits here, as long as there aren't any glaring errors in the overall sound. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the real draw for the S8s is that they don't have any glaring faults so I can sink into the music and just enjoy it. Against the S8s, two other speaker pairs I heard were better for most things but had a single glaring flaw each that I couldn't get over because my focus kept getting drawn to those flaws. As long as the increased noise floor doesn't become a dominant sound, it should blend in with the other system and source anomolies and I can enjoy the overall experience.

My dealer has a 7 day return policy, and even though they carry Paradigm up to a few of the Signature bits, they're claiming the C5 is a special order as they don't keep one on the floor. Within these limits, the dealer is actively working to help here, and there is still a chance we can come up with a workable solution. I'll be upgrading the video side of my system within the next year, and I'll be applying what I'm learning from this experience.

It would be interesting if your dealer would let you try a third S8. But then your screen would have to go much higher.

My dealer has a 7 day return policy, and even though they carry Paradigm up to a few of the Signature bits, they're claiming the C5 is a special order as they don't keep one on the floor. Within these limits, the dealer is actively working to help here, and there is still a chance we can come up with a workable solution. I'll be upgrading the video side of my system within the next year, and I'll be applying what I'm learning from this experience.This isn't going to help your situation in the immediate future, but if your dealer indicating the C5's are special order only, then there's a problem with the entire business model that Paradigm is trying to run and you should complain to Paradigm.

Paradigm is very sticky about dealers selling 'outside their zone'. It's all very guarded. Each dealer has zones they're allowed to work in and others are NOT allowed to cross these boundries. Paradigm also therefore doesn't allow their products to be sold legally through the internet.

I'm not faulting this logic by Paradigm. It's actually good when it works as it ensures that you buy the right speaker for you by actually going to a knowledgeable dealer who is able to demo the speakers for you.

But if some dealers are refusing to carry stock because it's 'special order', this whole business model breaks down and people end up having to buy sight unseen (or unheard in this case). So it's exactly like buying through the internet ....

Call Paradigm. Tell them you want to listen to a C5 before purchase and ask them how that's supposed to work if the C5 is only 'special order' and dealers cannot keep them in stock. (They may tell you that it is not 'special order' only which would prove something about your dealer....)

The Signature line is not inexpensive - nobody should have to have these sorts of problems.

kal

This isn't going to help your situation in the immediate future, but if your dealer indicating the C5's are special order only, then there's a problem with the entire business model that Paradigm is trying to run and you should complain to Paradigm.

Paradigm is very sticky about dealers selling 'outside their zone'. It's all very guarded. Each dealer has zones they're allowed to work in and others are NOT allowed to cross these boundries. Paradigm also therefore doesn't allow their products to be sold legally through the internet.

I'm not faulting this logic by Paradigm. It's actually good when it works as it ensures that you buy the right speaker for you by actually going to a knowledgeable dealer who is able to demo the speakers for you.

But if some dealers are refusing to carry stock because it's 'special order', this whole business model breaks down and people end up having to buy sight unseen (or unheard in this case). So it's exactly like buying through the internet ....

Call Paradigm. Tell them you want to listen to a C5 before purchase and ask them how that's supposed to work if the C5 is only 'special order' and dealers cannot keep them in stock. (They may tell you that it is not 'special order' only which would prove something about your dealer....)

The Signature line is not inexpensive - nobody should have to have these sorts of problems.

kal

I already own the thing. Since it arrived with a flaky tweeter, it's still in the shop. The midrange problems seem to have nothing to do with the tweeter as a C3 seems to exhibit the same problems. I was mostly concerned with music and wanted a reasonable surround experience, so I focused entirely on the front pair and took a gamble on the center because I couldn't get access to one. While I didn't expect a perfect match with the center, I didn't realize that it could be that far out. I didn't go to the measurements until after I realized that the centers sound really different. The lesson for others is not to make the same mistakes I made.

As I look more closely at the two reviews I sited previously, both the S4 and the S8 have a rise in the 600-1200Hz range, which further accentuates the ~5dB drop of the C3 and C5 across the same range. Likewise the S4 and S8 drop in the 300-600Hz octave where the two centers have a rise of a few dB. All in all you're talking a near 4dB difference across one octave and a near 7dB difference across the next octave. If I'm going to call Paradigm, I'd be asking why speakers that are supposed to be "matched" and are rated at +/-2dB across most of the spectrum diverge so strongly in the midrange where voices are, which seems to make up a significant part of the center channel sound.

Hi ALL
I just joined
really like the Studio 40, want to get a Premier stand
I have to pick between 18" and 22" stand height, kinda a big difference.
Any suggestions? I wish there was 20" actually

Hi ALL
I just joined
really like the Studio 40, want to get a Premier stand
I have to pick between 18" and 22" stand height, kinda a big difference.
Any suggestions? I wish there was 20" actually
the one that will put the tweeter closest to ear level will sound the best at
where you normally set while watching and listening to music and movies.

Any Paradigm owners out there that have a Sony KDSR50 or 60XBR1 with matching SUGW12 stand? I just purchased a Paradigm V5 Monitor CC-290 which I am having a tough time trying to find a way to mount it. I would like to place it in the Sony stand,but it does not fit. Even when I remove the top shelf of the stand, the brace for the top shelf is in the way. Anyone have an idea how I can mount this? I am in an apartment and do not want to be putting holes in the walls,I am only here until April,and mounting it on top of the television is out. Thanks for the info,

I am considering Paradigms for my brother-in-law's HT setup. Perhaps some of you can take a look at the question I posed. Sorry if this cross-posting is bad form. I didn't want to repost it all here - I thought that would be worse. This seems to be the place for opinions on Paradigm, maybe someone can give their opinion.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=854129

Thanks,

Ben

That whole set-up looks awsome!! great choice of gear, let us know what it looks/sounds like when it is all set up.. once again.. great choices!

Any Paradigm owners out there that have a Sony KDSR50 or 60XBR1 with matching SUGW12 stand? I just purchased a Paradigm V5 Monitor CC-290 which I am having a tough time trying to find a way to mount it. I would like to place it in the Sony stand,but it does not fit. Even when I remove the top shelf of the stand, the brace for the top shelf is in the way. Anyone have an idea how I can mount this? I am in an apartment and do not want to be putting holes in the walls,I am only here until April,and mounting it on top of the television is out. Thanks for the info,

Sounds like you might have to either put it on the floor or buy two small bookshelf speaker stands and rest it on them.. sorry if that isn't what you wanted to hear..

This isn't going to help your situation in the immediate future, but if your dealer indicating the C5's are special order only, then there's a problem with the entire business model that Paradigm is trying to run and you should complain to Paradigm.

Paradigm is very sticky about dealers selling 'outside their zone'. It's all very guarded. Each dealer has zones they're allowed to work in and others are NOT allowed to cross these boundries. Paradigm also therefore doesn't allow their products to be sold legally through the internet.

I'm not faulting this logic by Paradigm. It's actually good when it works as it ensures that you buy the right speaker for you by actually going to a knowledgeable dealer who is able to demo the speakers for you.

But if some dealers are refusing to carry stock because it's 'special order', this whole business model breaks down and people end up having to buy sight unseen (or unheard in this case). So it's exactly like buying through the internet ....

Call Paradigm. Tell them you want to listen to a C5 before purchase and ask them how that's supposed to work if the C5 is only 'special order' and dealers cannot keep them in stock. (They may tell you that it is not 'special order' only which would prove something about your dealer....)

The Signature line is not inexpensive - nobody should have to have these sorts of problems.

kal

You are one hundred percent right, if the dealer doesn't carry them then something sounds funny.. Any dealer should be able to carry a speaker line no matter what it is.. i would question where you buy your stuff.

You are one hundred percent right, if the dealer doesn't carry them then something sounds funny.. Any dealer should be able to carry a speaker line no matter what it is.. i would question where you buy your stuff.


You're kidding right? A Paradigm dealer should be required to carry every model of every one of their lines, in stock, all the time? Hell, even internet-based suppliers can't pull that one off, 100% of the time. B&M stores have enough of an overhead, they certainly don't need excess stock they may or may not be able to sell.

What a dealer should do is provide a decent return and trade-in policy, for those cases.

I think you are right Dave33ca. I am just going to have to buy a center channel speaker stand. Would much rather have it in the television stand than right out in front of the television

Anyone need a v.3 tweeter from my 40s beffore it goes on ebay ? I have 2 but one has a dented dome

My dealer doesn't stock Paradigms anymore, they replaced them with Energy. But they are still a auth dealer.

Just have a quick question. How do you have your center channel speakers mounted? I have the Paradigm V5 Monitor,the CC-290. It does not fit in the stand for my Sony XBR1. I dont want to have to put a speaker stand in front of my television. Thanks for the info.

Just have a quick question. How do you have your center channel speakers mounted? I have the Paradigm V5 Monitor,the CC-290. It does not fit in the stand for my Sony XBR1. I dont want to have to put a speaker stand in front of my television. Thanks for the info.

I remember seeing this product on an XBR1 at CC.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/OmniMount-Center-Channel-Speaker-Shelf-CCH1B/sem/rpsm/oid/108951/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

Don't know what other options are available...

I have Atoms V3 as my surrounds, Paradigm recommends the S30 speaker stands for them. I was thinking about getting a Sanus stand instead, anyone have Atoms on stands and can give a suggestion one way or another?

Thanks.

BB

I have Atoms V3 as my surrounds, Paradigm recommends the S30 speaker stands for them. I was thinking about getting a Sanus stand instead, anyone have Atoms on stands and can give a suggestion one way or another?

Thanks.

BB

I used Sanus for my Atoms, and when I upgraded to Studio 20s, I still use the same Sanus stands (I even use Sanus for my Studio series center channel). Alot less expensive then what Paradigm recommends, and guess what -- speakers sit on them and wires attach fine. They are great, behold:

http://ericbeth.home.comcast.net/screen.jpg

This is what I have for the Studios (and used for the Atoms)-- Sanus Natural Foundations (30 inch):

http://www.sanus.com/us/en/products/ProductDetails/line/speakerFoundations/pcat/natural/modelCode/NF30/layout/layout/

I have the 18 inch center channel Natural Foundation stand as well.

The Sanus NF stands are decent for a smaller speaker like the Atoms, but I don't think they're sturdy enough for larger or more robust speakers. I have a pair that I just dusted off over the weekend for my newly purchased Ascend Sierras and the Sierra (not much larger than the Atom, but significantly heavier) is too much speaker for the Sanus stand. Even the Studio 20s, in my opinion, are too much for the NF line by Sanus. I'd probably look at fillable stands instead, which is what I'll have to do if I keep the Sierras.

J.

Well, I just got back from my local A/V store and scored myself a fantastic deal for my almost complete Theater room!

I snaggged a pair of Montor 9 v.5's, a CC390 and a Seismic 10 subwoofer for the low price of $2400.00 + tax (I'm in Alberta, Canada) so the total was $2544.00. What a steal! They should be in by friday!!

I already got a pair of Paradigm AMS 300's in my rear wall providing rear surround duty, and a pair of AMS 150-30R guided soundfield in the ceiling for side surround channels.

Cost breakdown is as follows:

Monitor 9 - 750.00 $CDN
CC390 center - $500.00 $CDN
Seismic 10 Sub - 1150.00 $CDN
6% tax - 144.00 $CDN

I was initially going to go with the Monitor 7's but the 9's hand a more solid midrange IMHO, but were otherwise very similar.

My room is 15 X 40ish but the actual viewing area is 15 X 20ish, the side of the room is open to the staircase and bar area (Hence having to go with in ceiling speakers for side surround duty), I'll post pictures when complete. Just waiting on carpet and custom A/V cabinets

Now.....what to go with for a receiver......

The Sanus NF stands are decent for a smaller speaker like the Atoms, but I don't think they're sturdy enough for larger or more robust speakers. I have a pair that I just dusted off over the weekend for my newly purchased Ascend Sierras and the Sierra (not much larger than the Atom, but significantly heavier) is too much speaker for the Sanus stand. Even the Studio 20s, in my opinion, are too much for the NF line by Sanus. I'd probably look at fillable stands instead, which is what I'll have to do if I keep the Sierras.

J.

Been using the Sanus Natural Foundations with my Studio 20s for a long time now. No issues.

I'm not knocking the stands, I own 2 pairs of them, I'm just saying that I personally don't think they're sturdy or solid enough for a larger bookshelf speaker. Additionally, with a young child at home, I find the NF line way too top-heavy with a big speaker on them. That being said, I'm glad you've had no issues with yours.

J.

I'm not knocking the stands, I own 2 pairs of them, I'm just saying that I personally don't think they're sturdy or solid enough for a larger bookshelf speaker. Additionally, with a young child at home, I find the NF line way too top-heavy with a big speaker on them. That being said, I'm glad you've had no issues with yours.

J.

Thanks guys. I have a six month old that is starting to get on the move, I plan on having the Atoms on the stands but out of his way except for when I want them in the optimum spot for surround sound when we're watching a movie. I can't have them out in that spot all the time, sorta be in the way, at least on one side.

I wish I could post a pic of our family room on here, I could use some advice on speaker placement. The left side of the family room is the entrance in to the kitchen, about dead center of that entrance would be the best place for the left surround, so you see why I won't have the speaker on a stand out all the time.

Appreciate the advice given.

BB

Just have a quick question. How do you have your center channel speakers mounted? I have the Paradigm V5 Monitor,the CC-290. It does not fit in the stand for my Sony XBR1. I dont want to have to put a speaker stand in front of my television. Thanks for the info.

brickyardz, I have the Sony 60" XBR1, and have my CC290 mounted on the top using the Omnimount shown in Circuit City link that was provided in a previous post.

Nelson57 - I hope you don't run into the same problem with the Omnimount that I encountered. I have the JVC HD-61FN97 and mounted my CC-370 above it. After 3 months I began to notice some bowing of the screen. The height in the middle of the screen was 5/8 of an inch less than at the sides. Apparently the JVC isn't strong enough to hold the Omnimount and CC-370. You might want to keep an eye on it.

Pete

Nelson57 - I hope you don't run into the same problem with the Omnimount that I encountered. I have the JVC HD-61FN97 and mounted my CC-370 above it. After 3 months I began to notice some bowing of the screen. The height in the middle of the screen was 5/8 of an inch less than at the sides. Apparently the JVC isn't strong enough to hold the Omnimount and CC-370. You might want to keep an eye on it.

Pete

Thanks for the heads up Pete. I'll keep an eye on it.

Can someone please help me out here.
I am wondering what the length and type of screw will fit into the Studio20?

Can someone please help me out here.
I am wondering what the length and type of screw will fit into the Studio20?

On the v3s, it is 1/4" x 20 threads per ".

I am new to this thread and found it very helpful and informative. Thank you. I am about to setup my 5.1 (7.1 later) home theatre (HT) and music room (together) in my basement and would like your input and suggestions. The room in my basement is about 14 ft x 20 ft with 8 ft ceiling and I would like to section off an area approx. 12 ft x 12 ft (floor only, no floor to ceiling partition, air space is still 14 ft x 20 ft x 8 ft) using sofa for HT. The basement has ceramic tile floor, drywall walls and suspended ceiling tiles. I intend to buy:
1) Samsung 61” DLP RPTV with LED as light source – HLT6189S
2) Marantz AV Receiver SR 7001 (for good sound).
3) Paradigm Speakers:
i) Millenia 20 as center speaker
ii) Millenia 200 as front speakers
iii) Either Monitor ADP190 or Millenia ADP as surrounds
iv) Either Seismic 10 or UltraCube 10 as subwoofer
I enjoy HD National Geographic programs and DVD movies with surround sound effects. I also enjoy stereo classical music and multichannel DVD Audio. I will be sitting about 10 ft away from the TV screen. My questions are:
1) Should I get the Millenia ADP (expensive!!) to match my Millenia 20 & 200 or the Monitor ADP190 would be adequate because of my small size room? Are there significant surround sound differences in movie and music between these two surround speakers?
2) Should I get the more expensive Seismic 10 or the UltraCube 10 would be adequate?
3) How high should I mount the Monitor ADP190 and the Millenia ADP? At ear level or ?? above ear level?
4) Because the Samsung is a RPTV, the screen will be about 20 inches from the back wall, should I mount the center speaker (Millenia 20) above the TV on the wall (how much higher than the TV and how much lower than the suspended ceiling) or should I put it just below the TV?
5) I heard that the Marantz SR7001 also support ‘Dolby Headphone’ which will process the sound into multichannel that can be heard as simulated surround sound through a REGULAR pair of stereo headphone. Has anyone heard the music from such setup? How is it? I have an old pair of AKG K240 and a pair of Bose Quiet Comfort 2, should I get a better pair for superaudio music and Dolby Simulated Surround sound for music?
6) I am considering the Marantz SR 7001 for good audio, Dolby Headphone and auto speaker setup. Any suggestion?
Thank you for helping me to setup my HT and music room.

i would stay with same model of which ever you decide all the way around and as far
as a sub get the most the budget will allow .

thx jkhome

another question and this should be my last.
what should I set the studio20s to.
I think it's call HERTZ? if I'm wrong sorry, but its the cut off level that I'm talking about.
all speakers right now are set at "STD" i think 130hertz...
I have a CC-290 center and ADP390 surround.
This would be great help.

Try 80hz. Settings much higher will make the position of the sub quite noticeable.

just ordered a pair of monitor 9v5 for 999$ canadian (i live in a sucky place) and i have a small question.

i'll be using those in stereo.... 2.0 setup..... do you think i'll be missing lots of bass or anything like that? i hope these speakers delivers in bass,mid and high.

i'll be using them mainly for music.
thanks.

just ordered a pair of monitor 9v5 for 999$ canadian (i live in a sucky place) and i have a small question.

i'll be using those in stereo.... 2.0 setup..... do you think i'll be missing lots of bass or anything like that? i hope these speakers delivers in bass,mid and high.

i'll be using them mainly for music.
thanks.

You're fine. Although a sub would be nice.

Try 80hz. Settings much higher will make the position of the sub quite noticeable.

thx kal, but do you mean all speakers should be set to 80?

thx kal, but do you mean all speakers should be set to 80?If they go down that far. I run Studio 20s with a 60Hz crossover but they are surrounds in my setup.

I'm looking to upgrade my setup to a Studio 100 system.

Right now my setup is:

Four large advents (two front, two rear)
Mirage FRx Center
M&K V-125 subwoofer
Harmon Kardon AVR 240 reciever
Crown XLS202 amplifier (Unused)

What I'm looking at purchasing:

Fronts: Studio 100's
Surrounds: Studio 20's
Center: 590 or 690 - Undecided.
Subwoofer: Servo-15 or two ACI Titan XL
Anthem Statement A2 amplifier

First and foremost, any comments on the system? Any recommendations for other subwoofers to consider?

My main question is this: Could I get away with buying this system in pieces and integrating it into my current setup, or should I wait and buy it together?

The intention would be to place the studio 100's onto the crown, and the 20's straight onto the HK. I would then purchase the Anthem, and finally replace the subwoofer last. Thoughts? Comments?

sounds like a great system and yes you can do it a piece at a time but on the speakers
you usually get a good break from the dealer the more you buy the sweeter the deal
just food for thought. as far as subs i like the servo-15 but you could look at the dd-18
the jl fathom and the ultra from svs just partial to the servo for music.

Depending on the size of your room and what you listen to, the M&K sub might do the job. Why not try it first before springing for another sub?

I need to wall mount a pair of Studio 20's on the side walls, but tilted facing towards the front for my rear surrounds. Can anyone suggest a good wall mount for this?

You're kidding right? A Paradigm dealer should be required to carry every model of every one of their lines, in stock, all the time? Hell, even internet-based suppliers can't pull that one off, 100% of the time. B&M stores have enough of an overhead, they certainly don't need excess stock they may or may not be able to sell.

What a dealer should do is provide a decent return and trade-in policy, for those cases.


Carrying the speaker brand doesn't mean having it in stock, what it means is having the ability to get ahold of one without it being a special order like the other poster mentioned.

I need to wall mount a pair of Studio 20's on the side walls, but tilted facing towards the front for my rear surrounds. Can anyone suggest a good wall mount for this?

There is only 1 good wall mount for a Studio 20.

Btech BT77 http://www.btech-usa.com/bt77.html

Extremely well made, and swivels and tilts... I use them and returned the orbital piece of junk I got the first time...

I had a strange way of extra securing them from the bottom instead of screwing a wood screw into the wood. I can post a pic if you would like to see.

I agree. These Btechs are awesome.

There is only 1 good wall mount for a Studio 20.

Btech BT77 http://www.btech-usa.com/bt77.html

Extremely well made, and swivels and tilts... I use them and returned the orbital piece of junk I got the first time...

I had a strange way of extra securing them from the bottom instead of screwing a wood screw into the wood. I can post a pic if you would like to see.

i would stay with same model of which ever you decide all the way around and as far
as a sub get the most the budget will allow .

Thank you oztech,

But the Millenia ADP is about Can$ 800 EXTRA for the pair (compare to the Monitor ADP190). Would that worth the extra money ?? and the Seismic 10 is Can$ 600 EXTRA (compare to the UltraCube 10). I do not mind to spend it if they do make that much of a difference. What is your opinion? Please enlighten. Thank you

it did not matter as much years ago but the music scores and sound tracks are getting
better every year and with dd+ and dolby true hd and if we finally get dts master every
last detail will make or break a sound system along with that bass cotent is better with
more authority and deeper have not listened to the 10 but the 12 was nice and i know
it takes a leap in price but it keeps you from upgrading to often resale on subs not to good.

Question for all you long time Paradigm lovers...

I just joined the club.. I purchased S4's for the front, C3 center and a pair of S2's. Now.. my question is.. which are "more" important in a 7.1...side surrounds or rear surrounds as I am also new to 7.1? I could not afford to by an additional set of s2's so I have to live with my existing rear surrounds (5.1 setup) NHT speakers. Should I use the s2's as rear or side surrounds??? My room is fairly large @ 17w x 23L and powered by a Rotel RMB 1095 (5x200). I will also be purchasing a Rotel RB-1080 (2x200) dedicated to the S4's. Oh almost forgot.. I also have a Velodyne DD15 sub..

THANKS!!! Great Site!

thats up to the room shape and size as to which location you put the surrounds but
be sure that you use the rear surrounds on the back of the rec and in the set up tell
it you are using 5.1 so if you play a 6.1 movie info for the side channel will be directed
to the rear channels.

thanks. just to clarify, I am moving to a 7.1 configuration though currently have 5.1 and plan on "recylcling" my current rear surrounds to complete the 7 channel configuration.

so basically in a rectangular room, it would not matter where s2's go if they are leaps and bounds higher quality speakers than my other surrounds?

that depends on how the sound is done in the movie multichannel music is only in the rear(5.1).

...so that being stated, it seems more important to put the better quality speakers (S2's) in the rear surround positions ..Right? (and obvioulsy change it logically in the setup) I have a B&K Ref 50 s2 doing my processing so that will not be a problem

that sounds right to me keep in mind that there is a handful of 6.1 and a lot of 5.1 movies.

...so that being stated, it seems more important to put the better quality speakers (S2's) in the rear surround positions ..Right? (and obvioulsy change it logically in the setup) I have a B&K Ref 50 s2 doing my processing so that will not be a problem

Nice setup you got there seamaster.... and welcome to AVS.

I wasn't afforded the luxury of having the Sigs avail. to me, nor the $$ for them right now either... Instead I went for a Full Studio layout, with Rotel-1095 as well... With that said, I think you can do a full surround layout either way, with your S2's as your side surround or rear surround.

I have a corner layout, and put my Studio 20's as my side surrounds, and bought a single ADP-590 for my single rear surround. With my rear single ADP in the corner it fires off both corner walls and fills the rear area really well, better then I thought it ever would. Just thought I would let you know that an ADP will work for the rear, even a single rear.


I still have a brand new single ADP-590 .v4 for Sale

You're fine. Although a sub would be nice.

maybe i'm weird but i hate sub wooder for music.... it makes the music too boomy in my opinion, especially since i dont listen to Dance or Techno music much..... i usually prefer symphonic metal or classical stuff.

sub are fine for movie at least.

maybe i'm weird but i hate sub wooder for music.... it makes the music too boomy in my opinion, especially since i dont listen to Dance or Techno music much..... i usually prefer symphonic metal or classical stuff.

sub are fine for movie at least.
you do know classical music is the one that has more low end info in it such as
bach organ works some of mozart's piano concertos a grand piano is capable of
a 20hz note i believe and beethoven has some symphonies that hit the 20hz
region thats sub territory.

maybe i'm weird but i hate sub wooder for music.... it makes the music too boomy in my opinion, especially since i dont listen to Dance or Techno music much..... i usually prefer symphonic metal or classical stuff.

sub are fine for movie at least.
If you have a good sub and your system calibrated correctly (this includes proper speaker placement and room treatments) your sub will not sound boomy. IMO, a sub is necessary to hear every note in just about any piece of music or movie soundtrack.

you do know classical music is the one that has more low end info in it such as
bach organ works some of mozart's piano concertos a grand piano is capable of
a 20hz note i believe and beethoven has some symphonies that hit the 20hz
region thats sub territory.

This is not true in many respects. The lowest note on a MODERN grand piano is about 28 Hz, but Mozart's piano's didn't go that low. The lowest note on an organ is about 16-18 Hz. The lowest bass tone produced by any instrument that Beethoven used was in the 30 Hz range (double bass), and I don't think he wrote much thqat was that low.

As a longtime classical music listener, it's been my experience that classical music doesn't usually have a lot of really low bass for extended periods, with the exception of organ music that uses a lot of pedal (but when the music has it, you want to hear it!). In comparison, rock and jazz have constant bass energy, but typically not going as low as classical music goes at its lowest. Of course there are plenty of exceptions to these generalizations. I wouldn't want to do without my sub!

If you have a good sub and your system calibrated correctly (this includes proper speaker placement and room treatments) your sub will not sound boomy. IMO, a sub is necessary to hear every note in just about any piece of music or movie soundtrack.

I agree 100%, if a sub is calibrated and integrated into your system properly there should be no boomyness whatsoever...

I couldn't imagine my system with no subs attached...

just ordered a pair of monitor 9v5 for 999$ canadian (i live in a sucky place) and i have a small question.

i'll be using those in stereo.... 2.0 setup..... do you think i'll be missing lots of bass or anything like that? i hope these speakers delivers in bass,mid and high.

i'll be using them mainly for music.
thanks.

I would recommend a 10 or 12 inch sub set the cross-over low like 80Hz and calibrate your speakers, they will sound awesome! :cool:

I'm using Monitor 11v5 with 12" Sub with the cross-over at 60Hz, and they sound fantastic for Stereo setup.

...Angelo

This is not true in many respects. The lowest note on a MODERN grand piano is about 28 Hz, but Mozart's piano's didn't go that low. The lowest note on an organ is about 16-18 Hz. The lowest bass tone produced by any instrument that Beethoven used was in the 30 Hz range (double bass), and I don't think he wrote much thqat was that low.

As a longtime classical music listener, it's been my experience that classical music doesn't usually have a lot of really low bass for extended periods, with the exception of organ music that uses a lot of pedal (but when the music has it, you want to hear it!). In comparison, rock and jazz have constant bass energy, but typically not going as low as classical music goes at its lowest. Of course there are plenty of exceptions to these generalizations. I wouldn't want to do without my sub!
my point was that there is about 20 or better hz that a lot of speakers are not
capable of producing with enough db to even hear or notice it so a sub is very important
if you want to hear it and feel it all. all this time i thought a grande piano was one of
the few instruments that could do 20 to 20 i stand corrected.

thanks for the info, i just don't have any instrument to calibrate anything around here.... except my ears ;)

by the way, do you guys think these speakers sounds better than Klispch?

thanks for the info, i just don't have any instrument to calibrate anything around here.... except my ears ;)

by the way, do you guys think these speakers sounds better than Klispch?
i personally like the paradigms studios for my set up but we all hear things a little
different so i would say the ones that sound the best in your budget are the ones
that need to be in your room. i also like b&w ,thiel, vienna acoustics and audio pro
none sound like the other but they each have their strongpoints just a matter of taste.

thanks for the info, i just don't have any instrument to calibrate anything around here.... except my ears ;)

by the way, do you guys think these speakers sounds better than Klispch?

What I like you may not, listen to them and make your choice. Personally. I total "love" my Paradigm Monitor v5. ;)

...Angelo

just got my speakers... wow these certainly sounds much better than my previous.... it's almost another world.

i think my monitor 9v5 sounds a bit bad after many test..... not enough bass and too much high.

is that normal?, i heard you must let them play a certain amount of hours before they sounds better.....

please help and thanks.

What happened to "wow" and "it's almost another world."

Check your source and adjust your EQ. I have Studio 100's but have listened to the Monitor 9's at my dealer and thought they sounded very good.

i think my monitor 9v5 sounds a bit bad after many test..... not enough bass and too much high.

is that normal?, i heard you must let them play a certain amount of hours before they sounds better.....

please help and thanks.

Have you calibrated your speakers with your receiver? Most receiver's will calibrate speakers to the room's acoustics.

...Angelo

Thanks WARPDRV for your post.. appreciate you sharing your experience. However.. and this goes to all paradigm speaker lovers... I am torn between speaker cables. I want to biwire the S4's/C3 and currently have Transparent MusicWave cables and are comparing them to AudioQuest Type 8's.

I am curious what everyone else uses and likes with their para's, especially those using Rotel amps.

I also strongly agree with the comments on "correctly" calibrating a sub... Makes a tremendous difference. Though it REALLY depends on the musical quality of the sub. Love my Velo DD15 as it is truely the most musical sub I have ever owned and well worth every penny!

Thanks WARPDRV for your post.. appreciate you sharing your experience. However.. and this goes to all paradigm speaker lovers... I am torn between speaker cables. I want to biwire the S4's/C3 and currently have Transparent MusicWave cables and are comparing them to AudioQuest Type 8's.

I am curious what everyone else uses and likes with their para's, especially those using Rotel amps.

To Bi-Wire or not.... http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=678

Here is a good link for you on Bi-Wiring or also written BUY-WIRE....

Gene knows his stuff....


PS: There is nothing magic about wire... don't buy into the snake oil salesmanship of thinking it will make a huge difference.. a conductor is a conductor, and some more pretty then others. Just make sure you have the right size for your length of runs... Another great article... http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm with size guage chart for length of runs.

Good luck seamaster

Thanks WARPDRV for your post.. appreciate you sharing your experience. However.. and this goes to all paradigm speaker lovers... I am torn between speaker cables. I want to biwire the S4's/C3 and currently have Transparent MusicWave cables and are comparing them to AudioQuest Type 8's.

I am curious what everyone else uses and likes with their para's, especially those using Rotel amps.

Both of those are ridiculously over priced. I have not seen any science or listening tests to prove otherwise.

The wire hooked up to my 100s, CC-570 and surrounds was about 25 cents a foot at the Depot. What made a real difference (even my wife could hear it) was upgrading from a 200x5 Rotel to quality amps with allot more power.

To Bi-Wire or not.... http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=678

Here is a good link for you on Bi-Wiring or also written BUY-WIRE....

Gene knows his stuff....


PS: There is nothing magic about wire... don't buy into the snake oil salesmanship of thinking it will make a huge difference.. a conductor is a conductor, and some more pretty then others. Just make sure you have the right size for your length of runs... Another great article... http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm with size guage chart for length of runs.

Good luck seamaster

If it was truly useless or snake oil than why would manufactures waist money adding a 2nd set of banana posts to the speakers?

I my opinion it does make a difference, how much is will depend on the power draw and cabling.

I have designed electronic circuits about 8 years ago. Ground points on some circuits are very critical for perfecting the analog accuracy and running separate wires from the ground source to the closest point to the analog circuit will provide the best ground point than using circuit board trace. That's a fact.

Low and mid range speakers are mechanical devices with large magnets and coils. When a coils moves across a magnet you get a voltage induced into the signal. Wire is not a perfect conductor, all wires have properties of capacitance and induction thou very small they are there and some frequencies will have higher resistance values than others, in the same cable. The source point or your receiver is designed to reject the induced voltage to keep the signal clean therefore having the tweeter on it's own wiring (or bi-wired) will provide the best signal from the source (or receiver).

...Angelo

speaker mfg doesn't waste money adding the post that cost is passed on to you and me.

What made a real difference (even my wife could hear it) was upgrading from a 200x5 Rotel to quality amps with allot more power.

What amps did you get?

I need some guidance currently have a set of Studio 60's v3 which sound incredible, but with the Football season just around the corner does it make sense to add a center channel? What unit CC-470 or CC-570? Do I need to match the V3 with the center channel? Basically, wanting to enhance my football experience. Any thoughts would be appreciated. What about the CC-590?

p.s. I don't see many Paradigms in the Rosenut color any idea on where to purchase I've tried Audiogon and E-bay any other sites to checkout.

Probably depends on your seating and the spacing between the 60s.

I use the 570 with my 60v3s. Would love to upgrade to the 690v4. AFAIK, the 590 is basically the same as the 570, with the upgraded drivers. So I would try to find a 570 instead, which has the same tweeter as your 60s, or go for the big dog 690. :)

Where is the best place to purchase a used CC-570? Ive tried AudioGon and Ebay no Rosenut unit? Any ideas?

Have you check the AVS for sale marketplace?

I would go with the 570. Thats what I have and even Raiders games are enjoyable. :D

Don't forget Videogon

http://www.digitaltheater.com/

I am looking to expand my 5.1 system to 7.1.

My 5.1 is version 2 of the Reference 60 (L/R), CC (Center) and ADPs for surrounds. Servo 15 "serves" the bottom end.

My theater set up is in 1/2 of a 13x28' room - the seating is about 13' back from the end with the screen. The ADPs are mounted on the wall directly to the side of seating area.

I would like to add the rear surrounds, but due to decorating issues and where the openings are for walking through the room, I need them to be ceiling mounted (not embedded into the ceiling). To keep heads from hitting them, they can't be huge -- the ceiling is a full 8' up, though.

I would also like them to be white, as the ceiling is white in this area, and that would improve WAF.

Any suggestions for what might make a decent match for the 'digm's, meeting the size and "white" constraints? Looking at the smaller Paradigms (like the Monitors) - they don't make them in white.

Thanks,
Ken

You can get any ADP, except Sigs I believe, in white. None of them are very large.

just ordered a pair of monitor 9v5 for 999$ canadian (i live in a sucky place) and i have a small question.

i'll be using those in stereo.... 2.0 setup..... do you think i'll be missing lots of bass or anything like that? i hope these speakers delivers in bass,mid and high.

i'll be using them mainly for music.
thanks.
In a small to medium sized room they have plenty of bass output. But i feel for the lowest of the lows and for movies u need a good sub. Preferably one from svs. I have the 9's in a 2.0 set up also and they have really good bass in my small room. But i will eventually get an svs sub, cc390, and mini monitor for the rear.

...so that being stated, it seems more important to put the better quality speakers (S2's) in the rear surround positions ..Right? (and obvioulsy change it logically in the setup) I have a B&K Ref 50 s2 doing my processing so that will not be a problem No. Most information is in the sides.

thanks for the info, i just don't have any instrument to calibrate anything around here.... except my ears ;)

by the way, do you guys think these speakers sounds better than Klispch?
Yes my father owns top of the line floorstanders from Klipsh, with a horn tweeter and 2-10"mid bass drivers. These speakers are huge and they have better dynamics but imho i prefer the sound of my monitor 9's, and they were far cheaper. I dont know, maybe im biased!

just ordered a pair of monitor 9v5 for 999$ canadian (i live in a sucky place) and i have a small question.

i'll be using those in stereo.... 2.0 setup..... do you think i'll be missing lots of bass or anything like that? i hope these speakers delivers in bass,mid and high.

i'll be using them mainly for music.
thanks.

I am running a denon 3805 reciever with the monitor 9 v.5's and they sound incredible, in a stereo configuration they will sound fantastic and the more power you can feed them the better. However with a decent subwoofer the bass will shake your brain, so a good sub by paradigm or svs is a no brainer.

Question, I am running the monitor 9v5's a cc-390 centre channel speaker and monitor 7v.4's for the rears.. my room measures about 24 long by 11 wide with the couch in the middle of the room against the wall .. with about 10 feet from the fronts.. my question is would adp surrounds be better suited for my listening requirments? I watch ALOT of movies and was wondering if they would be better, I can kind of notice where the 7's are and it bothers me a bit, (they are beside the couch about a foot back.) just curious and could use some suggestions.

Thanks :D

Question, I am running the monitor 9v5's a cc-390 centre channel speaker and monitor 7v.4's for the rears.. my room measures about 24 long by 11 wide with the couch in the middle of the room against the wall .. with about 10 feet from the fronts.. my question is would adp surrounds be better suited for my listening requirments? I watch ALOT of movies and was wondering if they would be better, I can kind of notice where the 7's are and it bothers me a bit, (they are beside the couch about a foot back.) just curious and could use some suggestions.

Thanks :D

I would say yes to the ADPs, as long as you can stay in the"null". I use ADP470s on the sides of our similarly shaped living room. We use an "L" shaped sectional couch. The seating in the sweet spot, in the middle of the room, between the two ADPs work very well. The other end of the couch, up against the side wall, is more like listening to mono surrounds.

Of course if you have the room, you could keep the 7s for rears in a 7.1 setup.

Do the Millenia 20, 200 and ADP have biwiring terminals?

I've done a search on this forum, but didn't see a post where someone has purchased the Millenia 20 Trio. Due to WAF and room situation (mounting the Trio below a 50" plasma on a brick fireplace). My questions are: Should I buy the Millenia ADP's (which are much more $ than the other ADPs) to be compatible with the Trio? ...and they will need to go on a back wall (at around 9' high). Is mounting them in the rear an issue? The room is 26'w x 13'd with a 15' cathedral ceiling. I will be using a Yamaha RX-V2700 Rec with an M&K 1B sub. Thanks in advance for your expert opinions.

Hello my fellow Paradigm owners. I am about to join the family but I have some questions that I am hoping you might be able to help me with. My wife and I are setting up our Home Theater ( aka WAF is high :) ). Here is our setup:

Fronts: Studio 100s v4
Center: CC-690
Surrounds: ADP-590
Sub: SVS Ultra13
Rears: ????

My question is the rear speakers. Should we go with another set of the ADP-590 or a set of the 20s. The couch is close to the back of the room. Our room is 19x15 and the roof is only about 7ft tall. It will be used for 65%movies 35%music.

I have been told to go both ways... Paradigm says that the ADP-590 would be better; Some people on other boards tell me 20s.

I have only read great things about the 20s. I am concerned that the 590s will not be able to hold up as much as the 20s would be able to (total output, etc). Does anyone have any advice for me? Thanks!

Back of room (http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4631&d=1182059330)
Close up of corner of room (http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4632&d=1182059336)
current distance of couch from back of wall (http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4633&d=1182059342)

Please note that we did re-arrange the furniture.. turn everything into a V where the left end table is centered with the back window and the recliner is on the left side of the room :)

Hello my fellow Paradigm owners. I am about to join the family but I have some questions that I am hoping you might be able to help me with. My wife and I are setting up our Home Theater ( aka WAF is high :) ). Here is our setup:

Fronts: Studio 100s v4
Center: CC-690
Surrounds: ADP-590
Sub: SVS Ultra13
Rears: ????

My question is the rear speakers. Should we go with another set of the ADP-590 or a set of the 20s. The couch is close to the back of the room. Our room is 19x15 and the roof is only about 7ft tall. It will be used for 65%movies 35%music.

I have been told to go both ways... Paradigm says that the ADP-590 would be better; Some people on other boards tell me 20s.

I have only read great things about the 20s. I am concerned that the 590s will not be able to hold up as much as the 20s would be able to (total output, etc). Does anyone have any advice for me? Thanks!

Back of room (http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4631&d=1182059330)
Close up of corner of room (http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4632&d=1182059336)
current distance of couch from back of wall (http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4633&d=1182059342)

Please note that we did re-arrange the furniture.. turn everything into a V where the left end table is centered with the back window and the recliner is on the left side of the room :)
if the 20's are too close you would be better off with the 590's my 20's set 6 feet behind me and works great if they were only a foot or two i think i would hate it.they require a little breathing room.

If you've got room for the 20's, I'd definitely go for them, especially if you do any multi-channel music listening. Usually, direct radiating speakers will be more accurate and detailed than the dipole/bipole speakers for multichannel music. However, if you're strictly going for HT, I'd probably just stick with the 590's all around for a more ambient and diffused sound.

BTW, nice proposed setup!

J.

BTW, nice proposed setup!

Thanks!

Thats the main thing.. It will be probably more Movies but I really like my music.. When I listen to music I really like a full sounding system. I am just afraid that I might be missing out by not going with the 20s but I am worried that I might be creating "blind spots" but not going with the 590s.. uhg..

I wouldn't worry about that with a 7.1 setup. The 590's are perfect for the sides and you'll be in good shape with either/or for the surrounds. Personally, I'd go for the 20's because I've got a lot of SACD and DVD-A, but if you don't have the room for them, the 590's will be better. I think you'll be really happy either way! :)

J.

Personally, I'd go for the 20's because I've got a lot of SACD and DVD-A

Would the ADP not work with that content or would the 20s just sound better? Just curious..

Hey Babel... Did that proposed deal pan out for you...?
Did they have any amps that looked good?

Setup question...

Do you even listen to multichannel music or just 2 channel music...? If its just 2 channel music then the point is moot... and go with the ADP 590's Your couch is too close to the wall for 20's in the rear, as by the time you mount them to the wall they will just be firing over your head, as opposed to the more ambient side firing ADP's filliing that behind the couch area...

If you had more room, I would go with the 20's but it doesn't look to be the case here...

PS: Great speaker setup, wonder where you got that idea... hmmmm

Oh and BTW the rear surround speakers are sent out in mono... one could easily get a single ADP for the rear and produce the same sound field as an alternative...

Did that proposed deal pan out for you...?

Oh man yeah it did :) going today to get everything! lol cant wait!

Did they have any amps that looked good?
Several but none that were 200x5 :(

Do you even listen to multichannel music or just 2 channel music...?

I have a couple of things that are multichannel but not alot.

Your couch is too close to the wall for 20's in the rear, as by the time you mount them to the wall they will just be firing over your head, as opposed to the more ambient side firing ADP's filliing that behind the couch area...

We did rearrange the furniture.. I will have to get you updated pictures... but yeah.. It might be a little close. I dont have anywhere near the amount of room that you have between the speaker and the listening position.. :(

PS: Great speaker setup, wonder where you got that idea... hmmmm

Yeah.. :) wonder who helped me spec that bad boy out :) lol

Sweet.... What amps did they have avail. any 3 channel, and 2 channel...
You could do a 3 ch, and a 2 ch. and run those barely used rear surrounds off the receiver.

Sweet.... What amps did they have avail. any 3 channel, and 2 channel...
You could do a 3 ch, and a 2 ch. and run those barely used rear surrounds off the receiver.

They have an Anthem P2 (325wx2) & Anthem A5 (225wx5)

but from what I have been told the A5 is actually 180x5 and 225x2.. oh well.. none of them seemed as good as the Rotel 1095.. I think I might look for one of those..

Do you think the Anthem A5 (180x5) would be better then the Rotel?

They have an Anthem P2 (325wx2) & Anthem A5 (225wx5)

but from what I have been told the A5 is actually 180x5 and 225x2.. oh well.. none of them seemed as good as the Rotel 1095.. I think I might look for one of those..
the p5 puts out 325 at 8 ohm,500 at 4 ohm and 675 at 2 ohm all channels driven
under 1% actually 0.1% thats hard to beat at that price.

Yeah.... I would take that Anthem A5 in a heartbeat... How much was that..?

Nothing wrong with more power, especially if its clean and the price is right...

the p5 puts out 325 at 8 ohm,500 at 4 ohm and 675 at 2 ohm all channels driven
under 1% actually 0.1% thats hard to beat at that price.

If i did that then I would run the 100s off of that and the CC-690, ADP-590s, and the Studio 20s/ADP-590 off of the receiver.. is that a good idea or should I try to get more items off of the receiver????

If I did the A5 then I would do the same thing as the Rotel setup but it "claims" to contain 20 less watts pc than the rotel 1095 and costs more than a used rotel would cost..

Yeah.... I would take that Anthem A5 in a heartbeat... How much was that..?

Nothing wrong with more power, especially if its clean and the price is right...

about 300 more then a used rotel 1095 was costing...

If i did that then I would run the 100s off of that and the CC-690, ADP-590s, and the Studio 20s/ADP-590 off of the receiver.. is that a good idea or should I try to get more items off of the receiver????

If I did the A5 then I would do the same thing as the Rotel setup but it "claims" to contain 20 less watts pc than the rotel 1095 and costs more than a used rotel would cost..
you would run all 5 channels off the p5 and the one of the rears or sides off the rec
depends on how you set up for 5.1 music.

you would run all 5 channels off the p5 and the one of the rears or sides off the rec
depends on how you set up for 5.1 music.

You mean the A5 right?? It is a p2 or an A5...

Yes.... the A5 is rated at 180 X 5 which will be far better in quality power then your denon will put out, seeing as they measure those receivers by 1 channel, spread out over 5 or 7 channels I highly doubt it produce as much as an Anthem A5.

just saw your post...

So how much is that... $1500.

Thats a good deal... I would snatch it up quick... great amp

sorry i just realized that was your 2 options then i would opt for the a5.
but if you could spring for a p5 thats like never needing to upgrade no
mater what size room or speakers you choose.

But would the A5 be better then a used Rotel 1095? Especially when the anthem will cost me 300 more then a used rotel would cost?

(Modified>($1800 actually.. the used rotel cost $1500)

you would run all 5 channels off the p5 and the one of the rears or sides off the rec
depends on how you set up for 5.1 music.


oz is correct, you would run 5 channels of the Anthem A5, and run the rear surrounds off your Denon, now that would sound fantastic with that entire setup...

Your ears will be bleeding with clean full output



It would be comparable to what I have no question.... And it comes new with warrantee.... good deal

only your ears will decide if you notice a sound improvement over the other
i prefer the anthem .

FWIW, I've been very happy with my Anthem and Studio 100 combo. Love the sound and loads of clean power. I'm running the MCA-20 just for the fronts and letting our Denon 3805 handle the rest with no problem. The 100's at times were too much for the Denon, and thusly love the extra juice from the Anthem.

J.

mca-2? is that the same as an A2 or is that something different.. how many watts per channel is it?

http://statement.anthemav.com/HTML/Products/A_Series/A_Series.html

http://statement.anthemav.com/HTML/Products/P_Series/P_Series.html

The A5 is from the Statement line...

here is the Statement page... from Paradigm website, uptop hit the Anthem tab
http://statement.anthemav.com/HTML/Products/ProductHome/ProductHome.html

No, the MCA-20 is just a 225wpc x 2 amplifier. It's not part of their "statement" line.

J.

Here... (http://www.anthemav.com/newsitev2.0/AnthemProduct/MCASeries/MCASeriesHome.html) is a link to the MCA series of Anthem amps.

J.

Here... (http://www.anthemav.com/newsitev2.0/AnthemProduct/MCASeries/MCASeriesHome.html) is a link to the MCA series of Anthem amps.

J.

Too late... He pulled the trigger on the Anthem A5... Great Choice...

As well as the Studio 100's, CC-690, and ADP-590s...

Congrats to you Babelfish....

Let the fun begin...

I wasn't suggesting the MCA, just providing the link. I'd opt for the Statement line, too, if I had the cheese! :D

Congrats on a nice purchase!

J.

Thanks everyone!!! I couldn't believe that I did it.. 4 years in the making.. wow... I took everything out of the boxes last night and checked them out.. They look really good..

put in your favorite music or movie then you will be very surprised.

I hooked them up last night and they sounded really good but the bass seemed not all that deep (as compared to my DCM's which have 10inch woofers).. I wasn't using the A5, just the Yamaha amp.. Is that because the 100s want more power?? just curious..

I hooked them up last night and they sounded really good but the bass seemed not all that deep (as compared to my DCM's which have 10inch woofers).. I wasn't using the A5, just the Yamaha amp.. Is that because the 100s want more power?? just curious..
i went from ar's that had a 10inch bass to 100's i noticed a tighter bass but it still
went just as low.

i went from ar's that had a 10inch bass to 100's i noticed a tighter bass but it still
went just as low.

hmmm... thats not comforting... what was the amp that you used?

I hooked them up last night and they sounded really good but the bass seemed not all that deep (as compared to my DCM's which have 10inch woofers).. I wasn't using the A5, just the Yamaha amp.. Is that because the 100s want more power?? just curious..

I don't think that you should assume that the problem is the amp. I like the 100's a lot, and I thought they had plenty of bass (but they didn't get as low as a good sub).

The studio 100s do not go really low on their own, so maybe your other ones went lower. It could also be that your other speakers had a bass emphasis that the 100s don't have. A good subwoofer is worthwhile.

hmmm... thats not comforting... what was the amp that you used?
integra 10.5

i do run a sub they will not play with authority below 50hz and i set my crossover at 60hz.

ahhh...well my sub is in the mail.. should be here sometime next month.. it is still in production :)

Help with speaker Hertz. What should I set my speakers at?

front L/R - studio 20
Center - cc390
rear surround - ADP390
sub- PS1200

I am using a SONY5ES amp/reciver
what would be the best to run the hertz at and also EQ if any?

I am in the process of researching speakers for a 5.1 setup and have come up with the following after listening to the Paradigms:

Fronts: Monitor 7
Center: CC-290
Surrounds: ADP-190
Subwoofer: PDR-12

I have a Pioneer Elite VSX-74TXVi receiver and like my music and movies relatively loud. I plan on using the HT setup mainly for movies and will bi-amp the fronts.

Any suggestions on the above setup?

Help with speaker Hertz. What should I set my speakers at?

front L/R - studio 20
Center - cc390
rear surround - ADP390
sub- PS1200

I am using a SONY5ES amp/reciver
what would be the best to run the hertz at and also EQ if any?

Why not go with the THX standard (80 hz for each).

I have Studio 20s with a cc470, ADP 590s and Atoms for my rear surrounds. I set all to 80hz.

i WILL give that a try, thank you Caesar1

I hooked them up last night and they sounded really good but the bass seemed not all that deep (as compared to my DCM's which have 10inch woofers).. I wasn't using the A5, just the Yamaha amp.. Is that because the 100s want more power?? just curious..

Just wait until you hook those up to the Anthem A5 that you just bought, it will be night and day from powering them with 35 wpc.... or whatever you have in that 2 channel receiver there... you have alot more drivers in the 100's to power and they may not be as efficent as your older sloppy speakers....

They will play down low just fine when they have the proper power driving them....
Which is the reason I kept pushing you to buy that amp.... The CC-690 and those Studio 100's are begging for a really high amount of power and will make them come alive... This is a perfect example to allow you to A/B amp sections from your new up and coming receiver powering those speakers, and that new Anthem A5 180 X 5 Amp... Let the fun begin....

And when that new Ultra 13 comes in you will be in High Heaven... Beware the neighbors knocking on the door.... :)

Just wait until you hook those up to the Anthem A5 that you just bought, it will be night and day from powering them with 35 wpc.... or whatever you have in that 2 channel receiver there... you have alot more drivers in the 100's to power and they may not be as efficent as your older sloppy speakers....

They will play down low just fine when they have the proper power driving them....
Which is the reason I kept pushing you to buy that amp.... The CC-690 and those Studio 100's are begging for a really high amount of power and will make them come alive... This is a perfect example to allow you to A/B amp sections from your new up and coming receiver powering those speakers, and that new Anthem A5 180 X 5 Amp... Let the fun begin....

And when that new Ultra 13 comes in you will be in High Heaven... Beware the neighbors knocking on the door.... :)


yeah.. I looked back to see the specs of the current speakers I have (http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4263&d=1172626373)... correction... the older speakers I have (since I now own the 100s :) )...

They appear to the 4 ohm speakers... I am sure the 100s will be awesome when properly setup... I can't wait.. :)

I also realized why the other ones seemed alot brighter then the 100s.. they have a horn tweeter...

yeah.. I looked back to see the specs of the current speakers I have (http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4263&d=1172626373)... correction... the older speakers I have (since I now own the 100s :) )...

They appear to the 4 ohm speakers... I am sure the 100s will be awesome when properly setup... I can't wait.. :)

I also realized why the other ones seemed alot brighter then the 100s.. they have a horn tweeter...
they also say 97db an easy to drive speaker and if true it states down to 30hz and
the 100's in room supposedly down to 44hz and they are 91db still efficient but will
require more power than your previous speaker but 3 sevens will deliver a tighter
bass than 1 ten.

they also say 97db an easy to drive speaker and if true it states down to 30hz and
the 100's in room supposedly down to 44hz and they are 91db still efficient but will
require more power than your previous speaker but 3 sevens will deliver a tighter
bass than 1 ten.

so that would explain why the other ones sounded better with less power (aka my current amp) then my 100s. (the mids and highs sounded great on the 100s.. it was the lows that didn't seem as good)..

i don't know what yamaha rec you have but i suspect that it is short of power the 10.5 i have
seems to have plenty for me at a real 150w a channel and it goes down to 3ohm so i would
think that the anthem will wake them up i plan on a future purchase of a p5 when i go separates
not that there is anything wrong with flagships its just technology is changing to fast and
separates make more since than ever now that integra and onkyo offer nice units for under
2k which in order to get that amount of switching and still be hi-fi you had to spend 4k or better.

lol.. umm.. my current amp is:

The Yamaha RX-385... 35-45W 2 channel, 8ohm RMS output Power, 0x04% THD, 20-20,000 Hz

the one I am going to get will be either the Denon 3808 or the Onkyo 875 :)

yeah.. the 100s might be under powered :)

ok, whats the deal on the sig v2's? has anybody heard these or bought some? i don't seem to find anything about them. better highs,midrange,anything? i am curious cause i got s8's, c5, version 1. thanks

lol.. umm.. my current amp is:

The Yamaha RX-385... 35-45W 2 channel, 8ohm RMS output Power, 0x04% THD, 20-20,000 Hz

the one I am going to get will be either the Denon 3808 or the Onkyo 875 :)

yeah.. the 100s might be under powered :)
i believe you found your weak link a warning keep volume low with that rec or it will clip
and when that happens there goes the tweeters.

I am running monitor 9v.5s fronts and cc-390 centre channel... I want to get the new monitor surrounds and was wondering, would the monitor 190's do a decent job or would the 390's be better?.. money isn't really an issue but the 190's are 200 bucks cheaper.. lol. Any help would be appreciated. :D

I am running monitor 9v.5s fronts and cc-390 centre channel... I want to get the new monitor surrounds and was wondering, would the monitor 190's do a decent job or would the 390's be better?.. money isn't really an issue but the 190's are 200 bucks cheaper.. lol. Any help would be appreciated. :D

I recently compared both surrounds and could not tell the difference since not much in the way of low frequencies go to the surrounds. The paradigm specs indicate that the 390's go only 10 Hz lower (70 Hz vs. 80 Hz.)

What are you driving your current speakers with? Are you satisified with your Paradigms?

i believe you found your weak link a warning keep volume low with that rec or it will clip
and when that happens there goes the tweeters.

clip? what does that mean? I don't think I played them all that loud.. I was more concerned for the receiver then I was for the speakers.. what could the receiver do to the tweeters? I thought the receiver was the one that was in danger.. uhg.. How can I tell if I did any damage already?

clip? what does that mean? I don't think I played them all that loud.. I was more concerned for the receiver then I was for the speakers.. what could the receiver do to the tweeters? I thought the receiver was the one that was in danger.. uhg.. How can I tell if I did any damage already?
music and movies have quiet and loud passages when it hits one of those loud
passages it will demand alot of power if the amp can not deliver it will clip or go to dc
speakers do not like it if prolonged instant damage.

music and movies have quiet and loud passages when it hits one of those loud
passages it will demand alot of power if the amp can not deliver it will clip or go to dc
speakers do not like it if prolonged instant damage.

Note Babel, oz said prolonged... don't worry so much...

Your speakers are fine, and the Paradigms will hold up for quite some time....

Another good reason for you to go pick up a receiver from best buy or CC and try one out, and hook up that amp and see how they sound... Your not being dishonest to those stores, just trying a product they have, and have every right to return it within 30 days... but make sure you check their policy on returns.... on how long you have... some stores are 15 days depending on the product..

Was wondering what Paradigm owners use for surrounds and in whats their current setup (5.1, 6.1 7.1) ?

ADP's or Bookshelves (Atoms, Minis, 20's etc...) from the Paradigm line?

A poll would be nice, maybe I'll start a new thread.

Note Babel, oz said prolonged... don't worry so much...

Your speakers are fine, and the Paradigms will hold up for quite some time....

Another good reason for you to go pick up a receiver from best buy or CC and try one out, and hook up that amp and see how they sound... Your not being dishonest to those stores, just trying a product they have, and have every right to return it within 30 days... but make sure you check their policy on returns.... on how long you have... some stores are 15 days depending on the product..

Just don't lose the receipt ;) !! Man worrying about all this stuff you're going to make yourself nuts, just have FUN. ;)

I recently compared both surrounds and could not tell the difference since not much in the way of low frequencies go to the surrounds. The paradigm specs indicate that the 390's go only 10 Hz lower (70 Hz vs. 80 Hz.)

What are you driving your current speakers with? Are you satisified with your Paradigms?

Using a denon 3805 receiver and yeah i love my paradigms.. just really need some new surrounds.. the monitor 7v.4's I am currently using draw to much attention to themselves. To large a speaker for surrounds I guess.

Was wondering what Paradigm owners use for surrounds and in whats their current setup (5.1, 6.1 7.1) ?

ADP's or Bookshelves (Atoms, Minis, 20's etc...) from the Paradigm line?

A poll would be nice, maybe I'll start a new thread.


Hey Doc....

Im running 100's 690, 20's for my side surrounds, and a single ADP for rear...

Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPainMD
Was wondering what Paradigm owners use for surrounds and in whats their current setup (5.1, 6.1 7.1) ?

ADP's or Bookshelves (Atoms, Minis, 20's etc...) from the Paradigm line?

A poll would be nice, maybe I'll start a new thread.



Hey Doc....

Im running 100's 690, 20's for my side surrounds, and a single ADP for rear...


thanks, anybody else care to chime in...

All v3 gear...100s up front, CC570, and ADP-470's in the rear, and a Servo-15. Not enough room/too many openings for a 6.1 or 7.1 for now.

J.

all v3 i00's,570 and 20's rear 5.1 with velo ct-150 sub also with 3 openings to
rooms only 1 with a door so 7.1 i don't think would work to well in my house.

2- ADP470v3s, mounted on the side walls, 6 1/2 ' from the floor, and about 7' from the center "sweet spot" seat. In a 5.1 setup, driven by a 125 wpc stereo amp. Along with 60s/570sv3s.

I have all v4s.. 7.1 and surrounds and rears are ADP-590s

Was wondering what Paradigm owners use for surrounds and in whats their current setup (5.1, 6.1 7.1) ?

ADP's or Bookshelves (Atoms, Minis, 20's etc...) from the Paradigm line?

A poll would be nice, maybe I'll start a new thread.

Current setup is 7.1
Monitor 11 v5 Front Left & Right, CC390 v5 Center. ADP-370 v4 (x4) Surrounds and Rear. Prefer the v4 370's over the v5 390 surrounds.

Prefer the v4 370's over the v5 390 surrounds.

really.. why is that??